Illinois House Floor Debate — January 5, 2023

"The House will be in order. Members will be in their chairs. We shall be led in prayer today by Wayne Padget, the Assistant Doorkeeper. Members and guests are asked to refrain from starting their laptops, turn off all cell phones, and rise for the invocation and the Pledge of Allegiance. Mr. Padget."

"We will be led in the Pledge of Allegiance today by Representative Lewis."

"Roll Call for Attendance. The Chair recognizes Chairman Rita… is recognized to report any excused absences on the Democratic side of the aisle."

"Madam Speaker, let the record show that Representative Evans, Jones, Kifowit, Mason, Guzzardi are all excused today."

"Leader Welter is recognized to report any excused absences on the Republican side of the aisle."

"Have all recorded themselves who wish? Mr. Clerk, please take the record. There being 106 Members answering the roll call, a quorum is present. Mr. Clerk, Committee Reports."

"On page 2 of the Calendar, under Concurrences, Representative Burke on House Bill 1859."

"Thank you, Madam Chair. I move to concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 1859. This was a Bill that we 10200109.docx 2  STATE OF ILLINOIS 102nd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 109th Legislative Day 1/5/2023 passed last year by an overwhelming majority. It just got stuck in the House. And in the meantime, the… this is a forest preserve pension shoring up Bill. And so, what the forest preserve has done is a moved its effect… effective date into the 2023 tax levy year because the 2022 tax levy year has already occurred. And then there was a very successful referendum that the forest preserve ran which allows it to fund this immediately in 2023 and not have to use this alternative four-year ramp. So, it does not change the effect of the Bill, just takes out… just makes two technical changes. It's still a wonderful Bill, and I'd appreciate your support."

"Chair recognizes Leader Batinick."

"She indicates she will."

"Sure. So, as you recall, this was a Bill that had wide bipartisan support in the House and also in the Senate. It's a good, commonsense pension legislation that you yourself, as a good, commonsense pension advocate, have supported. And it did two things. Because of the delay in passing it, the time to implement it for the 2022 tax levy has passed. So, it'll 10200109.docx 3  STATE OF ILLINOIS 102nd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 109th Legislative Day 1/5/2023 go into effect… it'll go into practice in the 2023 tax levy, which'll be next year. And then the original Bill had kind of an either/or financing mechanism. And it was either this referendum passed that would provide more funding to go into the pensions and they could fund it immediately or, if the referendum had not passed, they would've needed a four-year ramp to get up there. Luckily, the referendum passed by an overwhelming major… margin in Cook County. And the public is very much in support of the referendum and… so that they can go to immediate funding for the 2023 tax levy year."

"Well, it is good, commonsense pension funding Bill. So, anyone who voted 'yes', all those folks you mentioned, love to have them continue to vote 'yes'. And anyone who voted 10200109.docx 4  STATE OF ILLINOIS 102nd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 109th Legislative Day 1/5/2023 'no' and wants to rethink their 'no' and vote for commonsense pension funding, I'd love to have them join it."

"Thank you, Mr. Batinick."

"Representative Burke to close."

"I'd appreciate an 'aye' vote on the Motion to Concur."

"The question is, 'Shall the House concur with Senate Amendment 1 to House Bill 1859?' This is final action. All those in favor signify by voting 'aye'; those opposed signify by voting 'nay'. And the voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, please take the record. On this question, there are 85 voting in 'favor', 20 voting 'opposed', 0 voting 'present'. And the House does concur with Senate Amendment 1 to House Bill 1859. Speaker Welch in the Chair."

"Members of the General Assembly, welcome back to Springfield and Happy New Year to you all. I really hope everyone had a safe and healthy holiday spent with loved ones. I know I enjoyed the time back home. But really excited to be here with all of you once again. I join you in the chamber today, though, to introduce a special guest who was brought to our attention by Representative Denyse Wang Stoneback. The Consul General of Pakistan, Mr. Tariq Karim. Consul General Karim ascended to his roll in May of 2021. He is a career diplomat with a wide range of experience that includes the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Pakistan's Missions abroad. He was previously the Director General for Economic Diplomacy and Organization for Islamic Cooperation. And he has also served as Pakistan's Commissioner for D-8 Organization for 10200109.docx 5  STATE OF ILLINOIS 102nd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 109th Legislative Day 1/5/2023 Economic Cooperation. He's worked in roles in Dushanbe, Moscow, and New Delhi, India. He is here today, and we are looking forward to hearing more from him. And I know that you are too. So, with that, please put your hands together and welcome to the dais the Consul General Tariq Karim. Mr. Consul."

"How about one more round of applause before you all sit down? The honorable Consul General from Pakistan has agreed that he will take a few moments for any Members who 10200109.docx 9  STATE OF ILLINOIS 102nd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 109th Legislative Day 1/5/2023 wish to take a photograph. He'll be down in the well. Leader Manley is back in the Chair."

"Mr. Clerk, Rules Report."

"Representative Cassidy, for what reason do you seek recognition?"

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. I rise to introduce my Pages for the day. I am joined by Rowen Cates and Carson Rowe, who are eighth graders at King Arts School in Evanston. They're here with the fine folks of Restore Justice Illinois, working on expanding parole opportunities for emerging adults. And I would just like you to welcome to our Capitol."

"Welcome to Springfield. Representative West, for what reason do you seek recognition?"

"Point of personal privilege, Madam Speaker."

"Please proceed."

"Thank you. I want direct the General Assembly to the people on my left. If they will stand, the members of Live Free Illinois. We have Live Free Illinois here, which is a very effective organization that is working on true restorative justice throughout the State of Illinois. But they also brought faith-based leaders who are working within Live Free Illinois, and I want to acknowledge them. We have the Reverend Lawrence Blackful from Chicago Heights. We have the Reverend Damian Mitchell from Springfield. We have the Reverend… 10200109.docx 10  STATE OF ILLINOIS 102nd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 109th Legislative Day 1/5/2023 Pastor Allen Taylor from Austin/Oak Park. We have my good friend Pastor Wayne Fritz from the City of Rockford. And my good friend Reverend Ciera Bates-Chamberlain, along with her husband who runs Live Free. I just wanted to acknowledge them and thank them for all that they do. And I ask for the Body to give them a round of applause and welcome them to Springfield."

"Welcome to Springfield. Continuing on, on page 2. Under Concurrences is House Bill 4285, Representative Stuart."

"Thank you. I move to concur with Amendments 1 and 2 on House Bill 4285."

"Can you give us a little something?"

"Yeah. Yeah."

"Thank you."

"So, this is… it has to do with our Procurement Code. It makes just a few changes, very small, kind of what we would call low-hanging fruit. I want to remind the Body that there is a Procurement Task Force that is still going on that is looking at a lot of larger, bigger picture issues. But these were some very small changes that we could make right now to open things up, to make things a little better for our universities. One of the things that we've done is set diversity goals for our universities to be able to get into contracts with diverse suppliers. And… so, some of these changes are going to help them meet those goals that we have set for them. I want to make sure the Body is aware there was some opposition. There's been an agreement made with a follow- 10200109.docx 11  STATE OF ILLINOIS 102nd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 109th Legislative Day 1/5/2023 up Bill that will remove the language that was controversial and had opposition. So, the opposition has been removed."

"Chair recognizes Leader Wheeler."

"She indicates she will."

"Correct."

"That's correct."

"Right."

"Right. Right."

"Correct." 10200109.docx 12  STATE OF ILLINOIS 102nd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 109th Legislative Day 1/5/2023

"Thank you for clarifying. I appreciate that."

"I would agree. Yes."

"Thank you."

"Chair recognizes Representative Walker."

"Thank you. I have one question. So, I understand there's going to be a trailer Bill in the lame duck Session so that we can have the same effective date to clarify this."

"Yes."

"So, just a perhaps weird question. Why don't we just do the trailer Bill? Why are we spending time on this?"

"We… I mean, this, you know, late in lame duck we're… we're on the Order of Concurrence. We have the language worked out, except for that small piece, you know. So, you know, that's just a couple different ways to go through the process and this is the way that we chose to go through the process."

"Thanks."

"Chair recognizes Representative Davis."

"Thank you, Miss… Madam Speaker. I'm sorry. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"She indicates she will." 10200109.docx 13  STATE OF ILLINOIS 102nd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 109th Legislative Day 1/5/2023

"Representative, obviously we talked about this in Exec a little bit. I think there's some broad concern about this design-build concept. So, does design-build give more or less authority to the prime contractor?"

"I think it could depend on the, like, the specific situation of the… the project and the contract."

"I don’t disagree with you. So, again, I'm just reading here, when it says the use of single prime design-build. So, in past it suggested that design-build selects one contractor and then it divides up the work. And so, that one contractor kind of handles the responsibility of bonding and things of that nature. My concern is always… well not always, but my concern in this space is that, that means that the state is kind of abdicating any oversight, any responsibility that they have or whoever is initiating a contract to the contractor. So, that contractor now has that authority of minority contracting, picking the contractors to do the different work, even picking the subsequent prime contractors as the project is broken up into its various components. And not that I think that universities do it well just themselves, but now we're giving that prime contractor. And because of the nature of some of the contracts, which are probably large in nature, chances are that prime contractor is not going to be minority. It's going to be a white male or female contractor, who is then going to have a lot of responsibility to make those choices. So, again, this Bill, as I kind of said earlier in… in Exec, has some stuff in it. And it would be nice to be able to wait since we've agreed that we're going to run a trailer Bill in the next GA to change that threshold 10200109.docx 14  STATE OF ILLINOIS 102nd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 109th Legislative Day 1/5/2023 provision. Why not take the time to really walk through all the provisions of this, what they want, allow for appropriate conversation? Now, again, I'm not… I'm generally not the one to tell you to pull the Bill and all that… you know, you want to move your Bill. I understand. But I think it would be nice if we took that kind of time, since we know we have to make a change to it, be able to take that time and be able to walk through it so that we're clear on who's going to do what, what they're going to do, and the responsibility that they have to adhere to provisions, of goal setting, goal contracting. I just recently learned about how a goal can be put out there, and then if somebody thinks that that goal is too high, it can be walked back, the numbers can be tweaked. And then it put forward with a lower goal even. And I said, 'Well, how can that happen?' But it can happen. And all I'm simply saying is that in this procurement space, because it's being driven in a lot cases by people that don’t look like me, and I'm going to pick on myself, because that doesn’t happen a lot of people are making decisions about this that are having a desperate impact on minority contractors. It's having a desperate impact on them. We're not getting where we need to go in this minority contractor space. We aren’t doing it right now. You and I serve on a task force."

"Right."

"And you may remember that I said in one of our earlier meetings on that task force that this is truly not a sprint, it is a marathon because there is so much to this, so many nuances to it. But everybody wants to rush because they want to get that money. And as much as we haven’t put all of things 10200109.docx 15  STATE OF ILLINOIS 102nd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 109th Legislative Day 1/5/2023 in place necessary to ensure, dare I say guarantee, even though you can't guarantee it like that, but to at least make sure that we've got strong, good participation amongst minority contractors. It's way too much. Even the projects that taking place in this building right now only has 18 percent. Eighteen percent participation goal. I mean, even the caucus, in one of our pillars we said the state should be at a 30 percent goal for minorities. But we're at 18 percent on a $245 million project and nobody… well, I'll take that back. The Office of the Architect doesn't seem to care. They don’t care about that. So, again, I guess what I'm getting at is, if we're going to take the time to really dive into this procurement stuff, making some arbitrary changes like this at someone's request, at someone's, you know, whim, if I can say it that way, it's challenging for me. So, I didn’t support it in caucus, even though it passed. I certainly am not going to support it now. I think we need to take some time and really put together some real good procurement stuff. Thank you very much."

"Thank you. I appreciate your concerns. I'm looking forward to our continued work on the task force and to try to solve a lot of these problems that you keep bringing up. Thank you."

"Chair recognizes Representative Halbrook."

"She indicates that she will yield."

"It removes a representative from the local food council. I know a part of what's in this is, like, a lot of our universities get a… they get like dings on audits, which is, you know, it's time consuming, and they have to answer to those concerns, and there's a lot of references to kind of antiquated commissions and other things. So, there's pieces in there that are cleaning up some of those things. And I think that's what that's a reference to."

"Because, like I said, there's, like, out of date commissions that are listed that they get in an audit, they get dinged on for not meeting when the commission is out of date. So, we're correcting those so that these audits don’t keep flashing things that really are not problematic."

"It doesn't change the commission, it just takes off the representative from that particular task force."

"Yes. So, there's a… right now there's a threshold for a minority-owned business, that $75 million threshold. And if they… you know, if they have a good year and they… over that threshold then they are booted out of the program. And so, if we had, like, kept pace with inflation from when this was put into place, I believe I might be slightly off, but that 10200109.docx 17  STATE OF ILLINOIS 102nd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 109th Legislative Day 1/5/2023 threshold would actually appropriately be raised to about $225 million, and we are raising it to $150 million. So, we're trying to keep minority businesses that are doing well the ability to maintain that minority status so they can continue to be successful."

"I think we had a previous Representative point out that we're not really meeting diversity goals and we're not giving opportunities to enough diverse contractors and we want to make sure that were able to incorporate as many as we can. And I don’t want to penalize someone… we, right now, are in the midst of a capital Bill for the next few years and there is projects going out. We're going to have some businesses that are kind of going to hit these ebbs and flows. And they're going to be in a wave year and show higher, you know, higher amounts for a few years, get booted out, and then when it's back down low, they have to reapply into that minority program when they're still a minority business."

"Inflation for the most part and just the cost going up. Keeping that… making that number a little outdated."

"Representative Stuart to close." 10200109.docx 18  STATE OF ILLINOIS 102nd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 109th Legislative Day 1/5/2023

"We do have a lot to fix in procurement. This is just a very minor first step. I'm looking forward to the work of the task force. And I would appreciate an 'aye' vote."

"The question is, 'Shall the House concur with Amendments 1 and 2 to House Bill 4285?' This is final action. All those in favor vote 'aye'; those opposed vote 'nay'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, please take the record. On this question, there are 75 voting in 'favor', 20 voting 'opposed', 1 voting 'present'. The House does concur with Amendments 1 and 2 to House Bill 4285. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Moving on to House Bill 4228, Leader Hoffman."

"Thank you, Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 4228, we ask that you concur in Amendment #3. Senate Amendment #3 to House Bill 4228. This is a cleanup of a Bill that we passed a few… a Session or so ago concerning Decennial Committees on Local Government Efficiency indicating that every 10 years that the local governments must put forward their efficiency plans. This… we were… on legislative intent we're intended to take out school districts. However, the Bill wasn’t clear that it did that. So, since school districts already do a shared service report every year, they would not have to do this decennial report. And it also indicates what the governing board of a township is in order to do the report. I know of no opposition."

"Chair recognizes Representative Halbrook."

"Go ahead." 10200109.docx 19  STATE OF ILLINOIS 102nd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 109th Legislative Day 1/5/2023

"Could you point me to what you're… what you're talking about with regard to…"

"Yeah. Senate Bill… the previous Senate Bill, which was Senate Bill 3789, erroneously provided that the committee must convene every 10 years after June 2022 instead of 10 years after the first report, which would be June 2023. The trailer makes that correction."

"That they… after the initial report of June 2023, the next report would have to be 10 years after that."

"And then every 10 years after that, yes. This… this does not change the… the intent of the underlying Bill, which we passed, I believe, 114 to nothing."

"I'm not sure that's in the underlying Bill. And it doesn’t indicate on my analysis. But the underlying Bill, all this does is, it cleans up the underlying Bill by indicating that school districts will not have to do every 10 years 10200109.docx 20  STATE OF ILLINOIS 102nd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 109th Legislative Day 1/5/2023 because they already do a shared service report which discusses their effectiveness that is… that is with the State Board of Education."

"Yes. They could do it as a… altogether to do one report."

"This does not change underlying Bill with regard to that."

"I believe it's up to the governing body."

"That would be under the underlying Bill. This just makes technical changes to the underlying Bill."

"Chair recognizes Leader Batinick."

"He indicates he will."

"Yes. Yes."

"Are you referring to the underlying Bill before this Amendment which made technical changes to Senate Bill…"

"There are none."

"So, the underlying… okay. Let me go slow. So, Senate Bill 3789 would set up this decennial reporting. That was passed and had 114 to nothing in the House on Third Reading."

"And that… it had some technical changes that need to be made to that Public Act. It eventually became a Public Act." 10200109.docx 22  STATE OF ILLINOIS 102nd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 109th Legislative Day 1/5/2023

"Yes, and allow townships to ban together the road district and the rest of the township to just do one efficiency report."

"A… I would like a 'yes' vote on this tractor-trailer Bill."

"Let's get it on down the road."

"Leader Hoffman to close."

"I ask for a favorable roll call."

"The question is, 'Shall the House concur with Senate Amendment 3 to House Bill 4228?' This is final action. All those in favor vote 'aye'; opposed vote 'nay'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, please take the record. On this question, there are 104 voting in 'favor', 1 voting 'opposed', 0 voting 'present'. And the House does concur with Senate Amendment 3 to House Bill 4228. This Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Mr. Clerk, Rules Report."

"Mr. Clerk, Committee Reports."

Speaker Manley: "Chair recognizes Leader Greenwood for an announcement."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. The Democrats will request a caucus meeting immediately in Room 114."

"Thank you. Representative Batinick."

"Do you have a reservation?"

"The best I can do is tell you that committees are scheduled at 4 p.m."

"Correct."

"The House will stand in recess to the call of the Chair. The House will be in order. Mr. Clerk, Committee Reports." 10200109.docx 24  STATE OF ILLINOIS 102nd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 109th Legislative Day 1/5/2023

"Chair recognizes Leader Welter."

"I was going to blame him anyways. I was going to blame him for this."

"Stand by."

"Chair recognizes Leader Welter."

"For one hour."

"Republicans will caucus in Room 118. Democrats will not. The House will stand in recess to the call of the Chair."

"Mr. Clerk, Rules Report."

"Mr. Clerk, Rules Report."

"Representative Carroll, for what reason do you seek recognition?"

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Point of personal privilege."

"Please state your point."

"I'd like to make introductions for two people tonight that are joining us on the floor. We have Northfield Township Trustee Caryn Fliegler. And we have former… and we also have a former Buffalo Grove mayor and current constituent of mine, Elliott Hartstein are here. So, thank you very much for coming down to Springfield and enjoy."

"On Supplemental Calendar #A appears Senate Bill 1001, Mr. Zalewski. Please read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Representative Zalewski on Floor Amendment 2."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I wish to adopt Floor Amendment #2. It's a technical Amendment dealing with Home Rule powers."

Speaker Harris: "Representative Zalewski has moved for the adoption of Floor Amendment #2 to Senate Bill 1001. All those in favor say 'aye'; opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the 10200109.docx 26  STATE OF ILLINOIS 102nd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 109th Legislative Day 1/5/2023 Chair, the 'ayes' have it. And the Motion is adopted. Anything further, Mr. Clerk?"

"Third Reading. Please read the Bill. Mr. Clerk, please hold this Bill on the Order of Third Reading. On Supplemental Calendar #A, or letter A, appears Senate Bill 1015, Representative Smith. Please read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Third Reading. Please read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Representative Smith on Senate Bill 1015."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Senate Bill 1015… this is not my first Bill by the way, but I do appreciate the attention. Senate Bill 1015 expands the authority of the Office of the County Executive in Will County and any future county choosing to adopt the county executive form of government. Under the elections and county codes, says that the county executive shall be the official to appoint individuals to fill vacant countywide offices. It restores the county executive's role to appoint when a vacancy occurs in the county board or countywide offices. Both will continue to require full board approval. It also codifies the responsibilities of the board's speaker, county board chair, and the county executive form of government; codifies the township form of government under county codes to the county executive form of government; 10200109.docx 27  STATE OF ILLINOIS 102nd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 109th Legislative Day 1/5/2023 modernizes Articles 2 through 5 to make it gender neutral; provides parity to the county executives as other countywide officers when hiring employees in their office and implementing county board approved budgets. It aligns the relationship the same way that the General Assembly and Governor work, rank and file staff will continue to be hired at the direction of the county executives and directors of departments will still require advice and consent of the county board. I urge all to support this and push the green button. Thank you."

"Leader Batinick for a question."

"Indicates he'll yield."

"Yes."

"Well, this Bill was initially introduced last spring. So, I'm not quite sure of what the opposition is at this point. There's been many conversations, and to my knowledge, most folks are on board with this."

"Just one county. Champaign is not affected."

"Yes."

"Thank you."

Speaker Harris: "Seeing no one else seeking recognition, Representative Smith to close."

"Vote 'yes'."

"The question is, 'Shall Senate Bill 1015 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye'; those opposed vote 'nay'. Voting is open. All voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, please take the record. With 73 voting 'yes', 35 voting 'no', and 0 voting 'present', Senate Bill 1015, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Mr. Clerk, on Supplemental Calendar #2, there appears Senate Bill 1534. Please read the Bill."

"Representative Cassidy on Floor Amendment 4 to Senate Bill 1534." 10200109.docx 29  STATE OF ILLINOIS 102nd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 109th Legislative Day 1/5/2023

"Mr. Speaker, I'd like to adopt them and debate the Bill on Third."

"Motion is to adopt the Floor Amendment 4 to Senate Bill 1534. All those in favor say 'aye'; opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. And the Motion is adopted. Anything further, Mr. Clerk?"

"Representative Cassidy."

"I'd like to move that the notes be ruled inapplicable."

"Representative Cassidy has ruled that the fiscal note… that the fiscal note, Home Rule note, and state mandates note be ruled inapplicable. Representative Bourne."

"Please proceed."

"Representative Cassidy."

"I move that the rule… that the notes be ruled inapplicable."

"The Lady has moved that the notes on Senate Bill 1534 be ruled inapplicable. This is a recorded vote. All in favor vote 'aye'; opposed vote 'nay'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all 10200109.docx 30  STATE OF ILLINOIS 102nd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 109th Legislative Day 1/5/2023 voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, please take the record. With 67 voting 'yes', 40 voting 'no', and 0 voting 'present', the notes are ruled inapplicable. Mr. Clerk."

"Third Reading. Please read the Bill."

"Representative Cassidy on Senate Bill 1534."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. Earlier this summer, something that many of our Members believed would never happen, the Supreme Court ruled that the Roe v. Wade decision that had protected access to abortion rights and the fundamental right to privacy for individuals was no longer the law of the land. And over the last several years, as we have moved to protect reproductive rights in Illinois, many of my colleagues believed that day would never happen. And it happened. And here in Illinois, we protect that right to privacy. We protect that access to care. Senate Bill 1534 represents the work we have done to shore up that right to privacy and protect patients and providers from undue interference from hostile states. The Patient and Provider Protection Act, or PAPPA as we like to call it, will provide those protections. It will protect providers and patients. It will ensure access for our residents as we see upwards of 30 thousand inbound patients from hostile states seeking care that they can't get in their home state. And it will expand capacity. I ask for an 'aye' vote."

"Representative Bourne."

"Please state your inquiry."

Speaker Harris: "Could you please restate your question, Representative?"

"The Amendment does not relate to credit unions."

"We'll get back to you on that."

"We'll get back to you during the debate."

"Please state your inquiry."

"No."

Speaker Harris: "This is the advice given to me by the parliamentarian."

"It is the interpretation of the parliamentarian that it does not cause that preemption."

"Representative, the parliamentarian has given me a ruling that it does not cause a Home Rule problem."

"That was the decision of the parliamentarian."

Speaker Harris: "As a attorney and our counsel and the parliamentarian, it is that person's job to render those opinions. And that is the opinion he rendered."

"That is correct."

"She indicates she'll yield."

"As I explained in committee, the majority of the copay- free items in the Bill are already copay free. This is just codifying it. So, there would not be an additional fiscal impact."

"No. It has nothing to do with costs. It actually has to do with the requirement on insurance companies that their formulary and benefits are consistent year to year. So, this just pushes it to the next plan year. It has nothing to do with cost."

"But since these drugs are already mostly copay free, this is just a… a courtesy to make sure… in case there are any changes, they asked us to make sure it only applies to… to the next plan year."

"So, yes, that effective date. And then in Article 8, there's a technical change to include physician assistants as the Bill originally intended. It was lost in one of the transfers of language."

"Yes. And as I presented committee, the… the law will clarify that in the RHA we intended to expand the scope of practice for advance practice nurses and physicians' assistants who have equivalent training to be able to perform early procedures, aspiration abortion procedures. And in one of the translations, we dropped physician assistant. So, that just puts the words back in that I actually testified to in committee."

"No, it's not correct because the RHA, in our opinion, actually permitted that. This just makes it more explicit."

"The intent in passing the RHA was to do that. We are making it more explicit in this language."

"So, we already voted on it." 10200109.docx 35  STATE OF ILLINOIS 102nd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 109th Legislative Day 1/5/2023

"This clarifies that this is within their scope of practice."

"Because clarity is important. So, it clarifies that this is within their scope of practice."

"It's not a surgery. The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists does not consider this a surgery."

"It is what is referred to as an aspiration abortion."

"It is not a D&C. It is an aspiration abortion."

"As a nonphysician…"

"…I can explain to you that it is referred to as an aspiration abortion, not a D&C. And it is not considered a surgery by the body that oversees these procedures."

"No."

"Yes, by the opponents. Yes."

"So, as I discussed in committee, it's not uncommon for a physician to prescribe a drug that you might need. Whether it's because you're traveling or… quite frankly, as a woman who has experienced rather unpleasant side effect of antibiotics, I very often get a prescription for fluconazole for the almost inevitable yeast infection that comes when a woman takes antibiotics. And nobody wants that experience. I haven’t always needed to use that fluconazole. But I've had it in the event that yeast infection occurs. I've had other experiences where, if I'm going to be traveling, my physician has prescribed me rescue antibiotics in case my sinus infection turns into an ear infection. This happens with alarming regularity because we trust physicians and patients to make the right decisions about what those patients need."

"To the Bill." 10200109.docx 37  STATE OF ILLINOIS 102nd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 109th Legislative Day 1/5/2023

"Representative Moylan."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"Indicates she'll yield."

"Representative, could you please clarify… or shall I say, is it true that we would be responsible for paying for transgender surgeries?"

"No."

"Thank you."

"Representative Morrison."

"Sponsor indicates she'll yield."

"I believe that these decisions are best handled between a medical provider and a patient."

"We have no place in this decision making."

"I believe that this decision is best made between a patient and her provider, or their provider."

"If a provider in a state that is, frankly, led by your party, that is hunting patients and providers out of existence, loses their ability to practice medicine in that state, absolutely. They are welcome here because they're losing their ability to practice medicine because they are providing legal health care in this state."

"Representative Ugaste."

"She indicates she'll yield."

"There are… the only thing in this Bill that speaks to gender-affirming care in terms of coverage is removing the copay for medication related to gender-affirming care, which might be among the cheapest medication in the world."

"The only thing in this Bill that speaks to coverage for gender-affirming care would be no copay for the medication related to that care."

"Absolutely. But the only thing in this Bill that speaks to coverage is the removal of a copay for the medications related to gender-affirming care."

"The only thing in this Bill that speaks to coverage for gender-affirming care relates to medication for gender- affirming care and no copay for that medication."

"So, perhaps I misunderstood."

"Maybe restate your question."

"According to the World Health Organization, gender- affirming care refers to behavioral, medicated… medication, and surgery related to allowing a person to live in the gender that they believe… that they belong to."

"That is the definition we use."

"We are using… what is covered…"

"I'm not dancing around anything. I'm telling you what's in the Bill, Sir."

"This Bill has nothing to do with that. But I will tell you that the medical standard of care does not permit that. Under the medical standard of care…"

"…that is… that is within the health care field writ large. This is not specific to a state. This is how doctors operate. These are the principles that guide medical care." 10200109.docx 42  STATE OF ILLINOIS 102nd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 109th Legislative Day 1/5/2023

"Representative McCombie."

"Representative Morrison."

"She indicates she'll yield."

"This legislation has nothing to do with that."

"This legislation does not speak to whether minors… this has nothing to do with minors, Sir."

"I'm here to talk about Senate Bill 1534."

"Nothing in this Bill speaks to whether a minor can seek this care. I… there's nothing in this Bill about that."

"What we've also seen over the years is enormous uptick in attacks and abuse, some of it led by you, against trans youth. And I'm very proud to say that I stand with trans youth. I protect trans youth against bullies like you, Sir." 10200109.docx 44  STATE OF ILLINOIS 102nd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 109th Legislative Day 1/5/2023

"The young woman that you dogged and harassed for years is now my constituent."

"There is nothing in that… in this Bill that speaks to that, Sir."

"There is nothing in this Bill that speaks to that, Sir." 10200109.docx 45  STATE OF ILLINOIS 102nd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 109th Legislative Day 1/5/2023

"Representative Wilhour."

"She indicates she'll yield."

"My believe is that these decisions are meant to be made between a physician and a patient. I'm not a physician."

"I don’t pretend to… to have that authority."

"That doesn’t happen, Sir."

"That doesn’t happen, Sir."

"So many things could. But that doesn’t happen, Sir."

"And there is nothing in this Bill that relates to that."

"So, let's stick to the Bill, shall we?"

"I've never said any of those things."

"Have you heard about all of the trans youth that are committing suicide because of bullies like you?"

"Representative Williams." Williams, A.: "Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"She indicates she'll yield." Williams, A.: "Representative Cassidy, I have a question for purposes of legislative intent. Does this Section intend to… I'm referring to… I'm sorry. I'm referring to Section 740 ILCS 180/2.2. I'm wondering if that Section intends to protect 10200109.docx 49  STATE OF ILLINOIS 102nd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 109th Legislative Day 1/5/2023 a tortfeasor who had nothing to do with providing an abortion for the mother but was responsible for an injury to the fetus that ultimately led to an abortion? For example, a drunk driver who causes a car crash which injures the fetus in such a way that the mother decides to have an abortion. Would the drunk driver be immune from liability as a result of this Section?"

"No. If there is a tortfeasor who caused injury to a fetus and later the death of a fetus is due to an abortion that the mother had, in part, due to the injury to the fetus, the tortfeasor causing that injury would not be protected from civil liability by this Section. In your example, the drunk driver would not be immune from liability by virtue of this Section." Williams, A.: "Thank you."

"Representative Niemerg."

"She indicates she'll yield."

"This Bill does not speak to that at all."

Speaker Harris: "Just for your information, the Body… the parliamentarian has ruled that this is germane to the… the Amendment is germane to the underlying Bill and Representative Cassidy to close."

"Vote 'yes'."

"The question is, 'Shall Senate Bill 1534 pass?' All those in favor vote 'yes'; all the opposed vote 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, please take the record. With 67 voting 'yes', 41 voting 'no', 0 voting 'present', Senate Bill 1534, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Mr. Clerk."

"Leader Gordon-Booth."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise late in the evening to welcome none other than our friend, the best Governor in the United States of America, Governor JB Pritzker. Welcome to the House Floor."

"On Supplemental Calendar A appears Senate Bill 2226. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"Speaker Welch on Floor Amendment #2 to Senate Bill 2226."

"Mr. Speaker, I move to adopt Amendment #2. And are you on Third Reading?"

"The Motion is to adopt Floor Amendment #2 to Senate…"

"Mr. Speaker, we're going to table Amendment #2."

"Floor… Mr. Clerk, please withdraw Floor Amendment #2."

"Speaker Welch on Floor Amendment #3." 10200109.docx 52  STATE OF ILLINOIS 102nd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 109th Legislative Day 1/5/2023

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I move to adopt Floor Amendment #3 and argue the Bill on Third Reading."

"The Motion is to adopt Floor Amendment #3 to Senate Bill 2226. All those in favor say 'aye'; opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. And Floor Amendment 3 is adopted. Anything further, Mr. Clerk?"

"That all notes filed be ruled inapplicable."

"The Motion is that all filed notes be ruled inapplicable. This is a roll call vote. All that is in favor vote 'yes'; all those opposed vote 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, please take the record. With 64 voting 'yes', 39 voting 'present'… I'm sorry… 64 voting 'yes', 39 voting 'no', and 0 voting 'present', the Motion to rule the notes inapplicable is adopted. Anything further, Mr. Clerk?"

"Third Reading. Please read the Bill."

"Speaker Welch on Senate Bill 2226."

"Mr. Speaker, Mr. Governor, Members of this august Body, I have come to the floor today to present Senate Bill 2226 on behalf of the people of the State of Illinois. Senate Bill 2226 is Protecting Illinois Communities Act. This Act, this work is the culmination of months of work by our Firearms 10200109.docx 53  STATE OF ILLINOIS 102nd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 109th Legislative Day 1/5/2023 Safety and Reform Working Group. This group has been led valiantly by Representative Bob Morgan, and it continues the important work that Representative Maura Hirschauer has spent her life doing. It continues the work that I've watched my seatmate do for 10 years, fighting to protect the West Side. Representative La Shawn Ford. It continues the work of commonsense gun champions, like Representative Denyse Wang Stoneback and my friend and classmate Representative Kathy Willis. And so many other commonsense gun champions who have been fighting for issues that are contained in this Bill for so long. Now, we know that this topic is contentious. We also may not all agree on the solutions being presented. But what we do know… what we do know is that gun violence is impacting communities in every single corner of this state. The House Democrats working group has spent countless hours over the past four months meeting with survivors, family members of victims, advocates, law enforcement, and many others to discuss meaningful reforms. Their work and the voices of those stakeholders are represented throughout this Bill that I will be presenting here today. This legislation will, most importantly, ban the new sale of assault weapons in the State of Illinois. This is what the people of this state have been calling for and that's what it will deliver. These are weapons that belong on a battle field, not at parades celebrating our country's independence, or at parks, or at schools, or at our churches. If this Bill were to become law… I want to be clear about something because we're going to probably hear a lot about that in debate later. If this Bill were to become law, there will be no removal of these weapons from people who 10200109.docx 54  STATE OF ILLINOIS 102nd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 109th Legislative Day 1/5/2023 already own them. It's important to highlight that. We are not taking any guns away from lawful gun owners. Laugh if you want. But today, tonight, we're going to protect Illinois communities and that's not a joke. What we're doing here is putting accountabilities in place. We will require that serial numbers on these grandfathered weapons be associated with the owner's FOID account. Some people may think that's funny, but people are dying in every corner of this state and it's time that we do something about it. The time to act is now. And this legislation will also ban the sale of large- capacity magazines holding more than 12 rounds. It just makes sense, common sense. It will ban the sale and possession of rapid-fire devices, more commonly known as switches. These are dangerous devices that turn semi-automatic weapons into fully-automatic guns. It is imperative that we stop the tidal wave of guns flooding into Illinois from states surrounding us that refuse to regulate firearms. That's why our legislation does something else that’s very important. It creates an anti-trafficking unit charging the Illinois State Police with coordinating efforts to stop the flow of illegal guns. We also need to ensure guns never fall into the wrong hands like we've seen so many times before. And that's why we also, in this Bill, strengthen the Illinois firearm restraining order, allowing judges to remove guns for up to one year. There are no simple solutions to an issue like this. I suspect if there were, we would've done it already. An issue that has been neglected at the national level for far too long will be addressed here tonight. Tonight we are calling on this Body to protect Illinois communities. This is an 10200109.docx 55  STATE OF ILLINOIS 102nd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 109th Legislative Day 1/5/2023 important step in getting these dangerous weapons meant for battlefields out of our neighborhoods. And we should take this night very seriously here. This is our opportunity to help every single community in this state. No matter where you are, no matter what color you are. Black, white, brown, this Bill helps every single community. I said this earlier in committee, that the House Democratic Caucus often hears me ask them the question, why? Why are we here? Why do we spend nights and weeks away from our families? Why do we come here and argue with each other? Why? I'll tell you my why. Two of them have been with me here in Springfield this week. My son, Tyler, who's 10, who I want to grow up and have a family of his own. My daughter, Marley, who's eight, who I want to see her grow up and have a family of her own. I've seen Leader Gordon-Booth's daughter, Jianna, here, able to play with my kids and laugh and hug each other. I want to see her grow up and have a family of her own. I've seen our budget director, Mark Jarmer, and his wife, Christine Jarmer's, kids here. We want to see kids grow up and laugh and love and play without the fear of getting gunned down in schools and on playgrounds. That's our why. But I'll tell you, so many of us have also experienced violence that have changed our families. In 1985, that happened to my family. My parents had three boys. My mom never birthed a girl. But that’s because God had another plan for her. She didn’t know what that plan was. And one day, my mom's sister, who had three girls, had just gotten in her car, leaving our church on the West Side of Chicago, and she was gunned down sitting in her car in front of our church. My aunt was divorced and a single mother of three girls, who now 10200109.docx 56  STATE OF ILLINOIS 102nd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 109th Legislative Day 1/5/2023 had no mother. My parents didn’t think twice, and my three cousins are my three sisters today. My parents didn’t make any more money, but by the grace of God and a belief in faith, our family made it despite the senseless gun violence. That happened in 1985, and it's 2023, and that senseless gun violence continues. We have a chance today to protect Illinois communities. And I am so thankful for the work of Bob Morgan and the Firearms Safety Working Group. Mr. Speaker, Representative Morgan and several Members of the working group will be prepared to take questions and probably make statements. And I'll certainly be prepared to answered questions as well. But I'm asking for approval of Senate Bill 226 (sic-2226) here tonight so that we all protect Illinois communities. Thank you, Mr. Speaker."

"Leader Durkin."

"Leader Batinick."

"I think that the Sponsor will answer most of the questions. But should there be some technicality, he may defer to another Member."

"Mr. Speaker."

"Actually, I'm going to defer the Q and A to Representative Morgan."

"Will do. Representative Lewis."

"Indicates he'll yield."

"Yes."

"No, it is not a gun registry."

"It’s a modification to an existing program under our FOID system that two and half million people in Illinois already use."

"Yes."

"There are a number of elements of the legislation. Most of which, based on conversations here, in committee, and from our colleagues, we've reduced and removed a vast majority of the criminal penalties. Most are petty offense. And again, it depends on the eliminate."

"You tell me a little more of what you had in mind." 10200109.docx 61  STATE OF ILLINOIS 102nd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 109th Legislative Day 1/5/2023

"I would concede there are a number of things that we could do with existing laws to reduce gun violence and other crimes."

"We already have a system in Illinois where law enforcement, whether it's state or local, enforces FOID violations. Which is how this Bill is structured. So, it would be consistent with your sheriffs' and their deputies' existing responsibilities to enforce FOID violations. Again, to your point, those who had a revoked FOID card who did not surrender their weapon, for instance. That's currently a responsibility of your… of the deputies. So, that would be consistent with what the deputies already have to do."

"We did. We talked in our working group. We had many, many, many hours, many, many meetings, dozens of organizations, a lot of law enforcement meetings. So, we 10200109.docx 62  STATE OF ILLINOIS 102nd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 109th Legislative Day 1/5/2023 absolutely talked about a number of issues, which to… I think the way you're alluding to it is… it's an implementation issue, as opposed to a new law. So, I think that there are lot of issues in this Body and other committees. Chairman Ford's working group, a task force, and a variety of other committees, Jud - Crim, have addressed a number of the things that we can do to reduced gun violence that we aren’t doing, that we need to do a better job at."

"The working group was a Democratic Member working group of 11 individuals. Our public hearings, as you probably know, went through our Jud - Crim Committee with dozens of hours. I think over 15 hours of testimony through 3 subject matter hearings, which is a bipartisan committee. Again, I would also direct the fact that our task force that Chairman Ford led has had any number of committee hearings, the task force meetings, which is also a bipartisan issue. I've also spoken directly to a number of colleagues on both sides of the aisle about this issue."

"I think 77 of pages of the current…"

"…House Amendment 3." 10200109.docx 63  STATE OF ILLINOIS 102nd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 109th Legislative Day 1/5/2023

"Are you asking me if there are other things we haven’t addressed that are in the legislation?"

"There are. I think we… we can talk about any number of details of implementation. You alluded to one with manufacturing, which was one of the changes we made with the Amendment 3 that we're discussing here today. And happy to answer any questions about that."

"Representative Reick."

"He'll yield."

"Representative, I want to thank you for the work that you have put into and continue to put into this Firearm 10200109.docx 68  STATE OF ILLINOIS 102nd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 109th Legislative Day 1/5/2023 Restraining Order Commission. As you noted, it's incredibly important. And the role that you've played as an ex officio member adds quite a bit of value and has with Representative Willis, Representative Stoneback, and a number of others that participated. You also know that this chamber doesn't have the benefit of knowing is that commission had a consensus in support of expanding the firearm restraining order duration from six months to a year. So, I'm not going to take it out because it does reflect the will of the commission that you agreed is very, very important."

"Beyond this element and this provision, as we discussed and as you know, the commission is looking at a variety of other changes to law, rules, investment in education. And as I've pledged to you and to the commission, we will continue to work on that in the 103rd General Assembly."

"I think the recommendations from the FRO commission should be something this General Assembly should work on in the 103rd General Assembly."

"Representative McCombie."

"He indicates he'll yield."

"The changes to the under-21 provisions have been removed from this Bill."

"I certainly don’t have that in front of me. It certainly was thousands. And I, again, would concede that there were more opponents that filed as opposed to proponents."

"A ban on future sale of assault weapons and high-capacity magazines will most assuredly reduce gun deaths in the State of Illinois."

"I believe it was 2013, Leader."

"Yes, we did."

"The firearm was purchased outside of Highland Park, that's correct."

"Well, the answer… short answer is, no. The longer answer is, as you know, this legislation allows those who currently have a firearm, that they legally purchased, to retain that firearm." 10200109.docx 71  STATE OF ILLINOIS 102nd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 109th Legislative Day 1/5/2023

"That list is roughly based on one of the more recent assault weapon bans in the State of Delaware."

"Ladies and Gentlemen, given the number of people who are speaking, we're going to move to the three-minute timer. Next up is Representative Wheeler."

"Indicates he'll yield."

"Absolutely. We added a provision in this Amendment which would allow Illinois manufacturers to continue to manufacturer firearms that we are banning prospectively from sales and sell those firearms to other states where they legally can, in other places where they legally can, in addition to exempting law enforcement from purchasing from those manufacturers."

"That's correct."

"We did not include specifically for ammunition. Otherwise, yes."

"There is an exemption in this Bill for those firearms that are approved by the Illinois Department of Natural Resources for hunting."

"Just specifically that's within the Wildlife Code. So, it's an existing process and it continues unabated."

"Correct."

"Representative Caulkins."

"Indicates he'll yield."

"I think we should set expectations that if we're banning perspective sale and allowing 300 days for an endorsement under their FOID card, I think it will take time for implementation. So, I'm not going to put a timeline on myself, but I am going to commit, for sure, that this is going to reduce gun violence in Illinois. All these elements, each one of them, address a variety of the elements of, not just semi- automatic weapons, but also hand gun violence we're addressing with our trafficking legislation and really focusing the State Police on avoiding and reducing some of this illegal gun trafficking that is flowing from Illinois… from Indiana and Missouri."

"Well, I think your… your implications, of course, is that you are a lawful gun owner. The point has been made through our public hearings and just recently this evening in Executive Committee, that lawful gun owners were lawful until they're not. So, the fact that these weapons are not just causing harm on the intended victim, but they're increasingly being used to cause harm to innocent bystanders. That is the harm. We're talking about literally people dying from gun deaths. So, I don’t really know how to explain that. If you don’t understand…"

"…the harm… it doesn’t sound like you do, Representative."

"If you… if you are… no one is surrendering weapons. You can create whatever language you want, Representative. If you are a lawful gun owner…"

"…continue to be a lawful gun owner. This legislation doesn’t change that. And to…"

"…imply that is going to give the State of Illinois…"

"…the inappropriate and inaccurate representation of what this legislation does."

"My question to you is, why do you need a 15-round magazine, Representative?"

"But why do you need it, Representative? Because that was your question."

"Why do you need a 15-round magazine?"

"Representative, could you bring your remarks to a close?"

Speaker Harris: "Representative, could you conclude your remarks?"

"Representative Hirschauer."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. To the Bill. Before I was a State Representative, I was a volunteer with Moms Demand Action. I used to come Springfield and rally in the rotunda, sit up in the gallery and watch as you all passed lifesaving, commonsense legislation. My work with that organization informs the work I do now today, here on the floor, and the work I do in my community with my constituents. And when I took office, I promised I would continue to honor the lives lost in change by gun violence with action. And that is what we are doing here tonight. For the past several months, the House Democratic Firearm Safety and Reform Working Group, under the leadership of Representative Morgan, has spent countless hours meeting with gun violence survivors and families of victims. We listened to personal accounts, the nightmares of parents that became reality, and we visited communities and neighborhoods that are most impacted by daily gun violence. We spent considerable time working with advocacy groups and law enforcement to discuss practical, concrete solutions to this devastating problem. We sought a wide array of voices and advocates to make sure this process was thorough and inclusive. This legislative action we are about to take is a culmination of months of listening, years of work on behalf of advocates, and negotiating on behalf of the safety of Illinois families. Throughout our work, we saw and heard firsthand what we already know. Gun violence is complex and it's a multifaceted public health crisis. Each 10200109.docx 78  STATE OF ILLINOIS 102nd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 109th Legislative Day 1/5/2023 piece of the puzzle deserves our attention, from sustained investment and community violence interruption programs to giving law enforcement the tools and technology they need to solve gun homicides. We are reminded that the trauma from gun violence is disproportionately felt by the black and Latinx community. Black Illinoisans are 32 times more likely than white Illinoisans to die by gun homicide. And Latino youth ages 24 and younger are nearly 3 times more likely to die by gun homicide than their white counterparts. This work does not stop with this vote tonight. We have more to do. But tonight, we have an opportunity to address a very important piece of this puzzle. We have the opportunity to take direct action to reduce the number of gun-related deaths in Illinois. Gun violence is a uniquely American crisis. In no other nation do we drop off our kids off at school or go to a parade or take a walk in our neighborhood in fear for our lives. Illinoisans have experienced too much gun violence with impacts that go beyond the devastating loss of life or physical injury. To force our constituents to endure these effects is negligent and reprehensible. Tonight we have the opportunity to prevent unfathomable losses that have rocked our community. By banning the sale of assault weapons, strengthening our red flag laws, cracking down on the tidal wave of guns flooding into Illinois from other states. We can honor the lives of those lost to gun violence and protect our families and communities. Tonight we can all say enough."

"Representative McLaughlin."

"Representative, your time has expired."

"Representative Meier."

"Indicates he'll yield."

"Is that the question, Representative?"

"So, there were… again, there were three public hearings. A number of people from around the state participated via Zoom. We looked to have a variety of hearings in other locations and, frankly, it was a technological problem because we wanted individuals to participate via Zoom. And we literally didn’t have the technology to participate in different parts of the state and have that effective. So, that was why."

"Representative, could you bring your remarks to a close?"

"Representative, I know a few have filed these Resolutions. But to your point about mental health, I really, 10200109.docx 83  STATE OF ILLINOIS 102nd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 109th Legislative Day 1/5/2023 really, really appreciate you saying that because I very much look forward to you voting for this future budget, because you voted against every single budget since I've been here in the last four years, as we've increased every single year mental health funding as you vote 'no'. So, when your residents ask what you're doing for your community to help mental health, I look forward to you sharing with them how you voted against that funding. Because every year you vote 'no'."

"You vote 'no' every year, Representative."

"Representative, your… your time has expired. Representative Willis."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. To the Sponsor. Will he yield, please?"

"Indicates he'll yield."

"Representative, the original Bill that you filed a few days ago after all of our stuff, was there a lot more into that Bill that we originally, as a committee, came up with?"

"There was."

"Okay. And just to point out a few of those things. There were changes to the FOID card application for those that were under the age of 21, correct?"

"Correct."

"And you pulled that out of there, why?"

"I heard from Members of this Legislature, Democrat and Republican, that there were concerns about the impact. Not 10200109.docx 84  STATE OF ILLINOIS 102nd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 109th Legislative Day 1/5/2023 just on hunting, but disproportionate impact on communities of color where we're seeing increases in 18, 19, and 20-year- old FOID card applicants. And our working group, as a whole, and our caucus thought it was appropriate to remove that."

"Great. And was there not also, in the original Bill you filed, a call to surrender assault-style weapons or to make sure that that was… and only have a limited number in possession that they would have to register, correct?"

"It was different language, yes."

"Yes. So, now, owners of… lawful owners of these type of guns are allowed to keep as many as they have as of the date that this legislation hopefully passes, correct?"

"So long as they complete the FOID application process for their endorsement, they will."

"Okay. Regarding the FRO portion of the Bill, I'm going to go a little bit onto the Bill itself and then ask you a question on it. Yeah, so, we… I worked very hard on that Bill being bipartisan. There was a lot of discussion back and forth on it, and one of the things that we did talk about originally was the length of that. I also sat in on the transition, or the implementation team, and that is one of the things that they wanted to universally put in with that as a year. With the current language that we have in it, we did increase, in this Bill, a year. But can somebody still petition earlier to have that rescinded?"

"Yes."

"So, they could still keep it at six months if they went through the court process to do that. Final question on this. 10200109.docx 85  STATE OF ILLINOIS 102nd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 109th Legislative Day 1/5/2023 Are there currently weapons that are banned from private ownership?"

"Yes."

"Okay. So, we're not opening up a new door by saying this is… we do have current weapons that are banned from it. So, we have precedents that allows the Second Amendment to be there, but realize that there are limitations to that, correct?"

"Correct."

"Okay. Thank you so much. To the Bill. I am so proud of working on the committee and being part of this. I think this is something we need to put into place now. It will not solve all of the problems regarding gun violence. We know that. But it's certainly not going to increase the problems that we have and that's what we need to look for. I know that we will never solve everything, but this is a step forward. We did listen to people as we made changes over the last week. Please, please consider that so that we do not need to stand on the House Floor ever again…"

"Representative, your time has…"

"Sure. I will finish. I never want to stand on the House Floor again or hope any of you have to regarding wishing prayers for those that have been killed by gun violence. Let's take a step forward and vote 'yes'. Thank you."

"Representative Niemerg."

"Representative Swanson."

"Indicates he'll yield."

"We broadly talked about a variety of criminal enforcements and criminal penalties and what is existing law and things we could improve." 10200109.docx 87  STATE OF ILLINOIS 102nd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 109th Legislative Day 1/5/2023

"You know, again, this legislation has a variety of elements that will address our existing laws. As I noted earlier, there are a variety of things in existing law that we could do a better job with implementing, and I concede that."

"The Illinois State Police, as you may know, have over the last couple years really increased their enforcement of interstate trafficking of illegal guns. That is not just the Illinois State Police. It's not even just a federal DOJ, ATF issue. That's a local law enforcement issue. So, this legislation really is going to convene a strike force throughout the state, making sure that our borders are guarded from interstate trafficking of guns, but also it really requires cooperation from law enforcement. So, yes, it really addresses that issue."

"It does not."

"The legislation never restricted the carrying of the fire… the sidearm. There was language that wasn't as clear as it should've been to reflect my intent to make sure that active-duty law enforcement officers would continue to be able hold their service weapons and the magazines in which they need to use them."

"The… the most obvious answer to that that we've asked the Illinois State Police about is the implementation of changes to the online FOID system. That is still a moving estimate from the Illinois State Police. But the last estimate, I believe, was about $150 thousand."

"Forgive me, $500 thousand."

"We did. And in fact, due to directly the conversation we had in Executive Committee, we did make a change, as discussed earlier with Leader Wheeler, changing our manufacturing language to make sure the Illinois manufacturers are… continue to be able to do… manufacture and sell to other states and law enforcement officers."

"Representative Bourne."

"He indicates he'll yield."

"Yes. They are looking to incorporate this with the existing changes to their online FOID system. So, in many ways, I think this is very good timing, because any changes on the IT side will coincide with the other changes. Staffing is something that, again, is… is a moving goal in the sense that State Police was already recalibrating their staffing. But is something they're taking into consideration so their staffing reflects this trafficking and state borders."

"Correct. That's my understanding, that it depends on the individual and their fingerprinting application and other variations in the application."

"We've had a number of conversations with the Illinois State Police about this timeline. I think the response has generally been the will of the General Assembly is what they will look to implement. So, I think this is something that is doable for the Illinois State Police."

"Well, there are a number of options for those who currently have magazines over 12 rounds. You can convert them to a 12-round or less magazine…" 10200109.docx 91  STATE OF ILLINOIS 102nd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 109th Legislative Day 1/5/2023

"So… so the transfer…"

"Right. So, Representative, I believe the intent, as drafted, is that you can transfer them to out-of-state FFLs as opposed to Illinois FFLs."

"No. I mean, Illinois… Illinois State Police and local law enforcement accepts magazines and other firearms all the time. So, I think this is consistent with where we are with law enforcement."

"I don’t believe there are any in Chicago."

"Representative Guzzardi."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"Indicates he'll yield."

"The previous speaker and a number of my friends on the other side have mentioned the Second Amendment. I want a play a quick… quick game with you. I know it's been a long debate. Let's play name that Justice. Okay? So, I'm going to read you a passage from a Supreme Court decision. I'm going to ask you to name which radical left Justice wrote this passage. Okay?"

"I don't… can I object to this game, Mr. Speaker?"

"Indulge me, if you wouldn't mind, just for a moment. So, it says here this… 'The court today again explains the Second Amendment is neither a regulatory straight jacket nor a regulatory blank check. Properly interpreted, the Second Amendment allows a variety of gun regulations.' So, that's one Justice. And then they quote from another Justice. And the other Justice they quote says, 'We recognized another important limitation in the right to keep and carry arms. The sorts of weapons protected were those in common use at the time of writing the Second Amendment. We think the limitation is fairly supported by the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons.' One Justice wrote the first part, and they quoted the second part. Do you know which radical liberal Justices wrote those phrases?" 10200109.docx 93  STATE OF ILLINOIS 102nd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 109th Legislative Day 1/5/2023

"I'm going to defer to legal counsel, Kat Bray. No, I'm going to guess Scalia."

"Yeah. That's right. It was Justice Kavanaugh quoting it from Justice Scalia."

"I also went to law school."

"Representative Morgan wins. Congratulations. It is… to the Bill. It is widely recognized, it is established jurisprudence that the Second Amendment is not a regulatory blank check. In fact, Justice Scalia writes, 'Like most rights, the rights secured by the second Amendment is not unlimited.' There's extensive Supreme Court case law, including many of the cases quoted by one of my colleagues on the other side of the aisle, saying that the kinds of weapons the Second Amendment meant to regulate were those in common use at the time. And, Ladies and Gentlemen, the kinds of weapons that cause indescribable harm in our communities to this day were not in common use in the 1790s. These weapons have no place in civilian society. And I believe that everybody in this chamber in their heart knows that to be true. I urge an 'aye' vote. Thank you."

"Representative Chesney."

Speaker Harris: "Representative, your time has expired. Representative Davidsmeyer."

"He indicates he'll yield."

"There's no penalty enhancement in this legislation."

"Representative Wilhour."

"Representative Crespo."

"Thank you, Speaker. Before I say anything, I just want to take a moment and thank the Leader on the Republican side for having the intestinal fortitude and for being an independent thinker. So, we thank you for that. And to the Bill. And, Representative Morgan, I know in caucus a couple weeks ago you had mentioned that you had experienced some… you had personal experiences with gun violence. And many of us have. I'll share with you some… what happened in my family. Back in the early 60s, my Uncle Frank Roman had a store on the near South Side of Chicago. Someone broke into the store and shot him, and he died in front of his wife. When I was seven years old, I had a cousin, Nelson, who was nine. Got ahold of his dad's .38 and accidentally shot himself and died. Ten years ago, my… my cousin, Eddy Laboy, at fifty-seven, committed suicide with a gun. And I look at this Bill and try reconcile how would this Bill have made a difference in those three cases? I look at my Uncle Frank. I'm pretty sure those 10200109.docx 98  STATE OF ILLINOIS 102nd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 109th Legislative Day 1/5/2023 guys who broke into the store did not have legal possession of those guns. My cousin, Nelson… and we had some common gun laws back then requiring parents to store their guns if they had minors at home, he might still be alive today. And my cousin, Eddy Laboy, obviously had some mental condition and I wish we had resources to deal with that. I'm not sure if this Bill addresses some of those things. I wish it did. But at least it's moving in the right direction. It's at least directionally correct. I also appreciate the fact that you acknowledge that there are some implementation issues with current laws that we have today. We need to talk about those and we need to make sure that we can implement those. And finally, I'm concerned about what the Senate is going to do. If the Senate does not pick up this Bill and if we don’t pass anything at all and end up empty handed, we are basically giving people a false sense of hope. And that is a crime in itself. So, I sure hope the Senate is listening to this debate. I sure hope they pick up this Bill and we do pass something so Governor JB Pritzker can sign this and we can deliver to our communities. So, thank you for all your work. And thanks to the staff as well. Thank you, Speaker."

"Representative Batinick."

"The final Speaker is Leader Gordon-Booth."

"To the Bill. 'When great souls die, the air around us becomes light, rare, sterile. We breathe, deeply. Our eyes, briefly, see with a hurtful clarity. Our memory, suddenly sharpened, examines and gnaws on kind words unsaid and promised walks never taken.' Maya Angelou. I rise here today to thank Representative Morgan and the Members of the committee that brought forth this thoughtful package. That poem was, again, not by me, but by Maya Angelou. And I always 10200109.docx 101  STATE OF ILLINOIS 102nd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 109th Legislative Day 1/5/2023 post that poem on this day because on January 6, 1992, my son, Derrick Booth, Jr., was born. And when I was pregnant with my daughter who sits next to me in this chair, his life was taken because of an illegal gun. And so, I stand here and I rise in the gap for all of the mothers and the fathers throughout this state who have lost their child, who have lost their son, who have lost their daughter to gun violence. I stand here in this stead to let them know that there is no one Bill that fixes the problem. But if we stand fast and we stand together and decide that we will unpack all of these issues, the issues of trauma, the issues of assault weapons, the issues of the pain, the inequality, the inequity that we see in our communities, that we can begin to right this ship. Ans so, I'd like to thank, again, the Sponsor of this legislation, the Members of that committee, but I'd also like to thank this Body for standing fast and doing the work. Because mothers and fathers need to know that we see them, that we are them, and we will continue to stand with them. And if I, could I'd like to ask for a moment of silence of this Body for what would've been DJ's 31st birthday."

"The Body will take a moment of silence. Thank you, Members. Representative Morgan to close."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you to all who shared your comments. A few items of housekeeping. There's… it's been alluded to the many different things that we need to do that are not in this legislation, things we have worked on, things that lie ahead. I want to point to House Resolution 1403… 1043 that we just filed this evening. And I want to make a specific note and we will be taking that up and I want to 10200109.docx 102  STATE OF ILLINOIS 102nd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 109th Legislative Day 1/5/2023 explain what that is. And this is a discussion we had within the working group that, while our working is firearm safety and reform, it didn’t capture a lot of the elements of gun violence that we, as a caucus, as a Legislature, as a Body, are most concerned about. So, the statement, and read the Resolution, we will be addressing it. Gun violence is a public health epidemic of enormous scope that needs to be addressed by a comprehensive approach and a lens of equity. The Resolution speaks to individuals, families, and the effect that gun violence has on them as well as the economy. Additionally, the Resolution shows the disproportionate effects that gun violence has on the black community. Therefore, the Resolution urges the General Assembly to support wraparound services to address gun violence and prevent future violence as well as supporting ongoing appropriations to state agencies for provision of support systems that wrap around the basic essentials of life. And we will be taking up that Resolution. I want to start with a couple thank yous. I have a lot of thank yous. I want to thank many of the people in this Body who reached out to me in the minutes and hours after the Fourth of July shooting to make sure I was safe and my family was safe. Speaker and I spoke in less than an hour. Leader Durkin reached out. Many of you, both sides of the aisles, reached out to make sure I was safe. So, thank you. It means a lot to me and my family to know that you are my family. I want to thank the Firearm Safety and Reform Working Group. We met every week, every week since the end of July. Every week. It was contentious. We had different ideas. We didn’t get to them all. We have more to 10200109.docx 103  STATE OF ILLINOIS 102nd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 109th Legislative Day 1/5/2023 go. But we accomplished a great deal here with this legislation, and I want to thank them in particular by name: Representatives Ford, Gong-Gershowitz, Harper, Barbara Hernandez, Representative Hirschauer, Representative Hoffman, Smith, Stoneback, Willis, Yednock, and especially our staffers, Kat Bray, Fallon Sellers, John Web, and Speaker Welch for creating this working group. Because he understood the importance of attacking gun violence that’s plaquing so many communities in so many different ways. And he challenged us to find ways to address those things. Yesterday was the six-month anniversary of the Fourth of July shooting. And I had a really hard time in the morning as we got to 10:14. And I remember where I was standing, about to start the parade, and my wife and my two children were right behind me. And my staffer was standing in front of me and yelled, 'Gun shots, gun shots.' And I reached back to make sure my children were safe. When I got to the scene, I saw those who had been shot, carried away a two-year-old who was covered in blood because both their parents had been shot. And this is not a unique situation. And I left that day thinking I will do whatever I can, whatever is in my power to make sure none of us, none of you, none of your communities go through what we went through. And yet, I failed. Because within three days of the Fourth of July shooting, there were more gun deaths throughout the State of Illinois than that day on the Fourth of July in Highland Park. So, I failed. And I literally have been carrying that on my shoulders to this moment as we stand here right now. So, I really want to say thank you. I know this is a complicated issue that effects a lot of communities in a lot 10200109.docx 104  STATE OF ILLINOIS 102nd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 109th Legislative Day 1/5/2023 of ways. A lot of you have directly been impacted by gun violence. Mass shootings, death by suicide, individual gun violence. And you have created this legislation by sharing your stories with me, with us in this chamber. So, I want to thank you all. And I urge an 'aye' vote."

"The question is, 'Shall Senate Bill 2226 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye'; those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, please take the record. With 64 voting 'yes', 43 voting 'no', 0 voting 'present', Senate Bill 2226, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Gong- Gershowitz, for what reason do you seek recognition?"

"Hi, Mr. Speaker. I move to table the Motion to Reconsider the vote by which Senate Bill 1534 passed."

"Representative Gong-Gershowitz has moved to table the Motion to Reconsider the vote on Senate Bill 1534. All those in favor say 'aye'; opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. Representative Gong- Gershowitz for a second Motion."

"Mr. Speaker, I move to table the Motion to Reconsider the vote by which Senate Bill 2226 passed."

"Representative Gong-Gershowitz has moved to table the Motion to Reconsider the vote on Senate Bill 2226. All those in favor say 'aye'; opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. And the Motions are tabled. Mr. Clerk, Agreed Resolutions."

"Leader Greenwood moves for the adoption of the Agreed Resolutions. All those in favor say 'aye'; all opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. And the Agreed Resolutions are adopted. And now, leaving perfunctory time for the Clerk, Leader Greenwood moves that the House stand adjourned until Friday, January 6, at 9:30 a.m. All those in favor say 'aye'; opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. And the House stands adjourned."