r' f)r .'z.s.jb , s l. j.t '' r ' - ' .N .... / . ve: rw. -o .. e..1 -u. u., . s .- ol .s - ...- - ' x * . 79 people, I believe, a<e protected by Amendment Number One. apd by the bill. As far' as the rate payers go..neither Senate Bill 938 or Mr. Katz's amehdment will have any ef- fecE one way or the other on rate'makihg by the Illinoiq ConOerce Commission, the company seems to be doing al1 right with the Illinois Commerce Commission under th e pre- sent law, and I don 't think this bill will improve that or make it any worse. I don 't think this amendment will im - prove that or make it àny worse. The Amendment Number Two does make the amendment a special public utilities bill , Amendment Number One strengthened the bill which we adopt- ed. I'm going to oppose Amendment Number 2*0. '' Hon. W . Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook . Mr. Meyer.'' J. Theodore Meyer: ''Mr . Speaker and Ladies and Gentlem' en . of the Illinois Housey' if you'don't think this is an'lllihois Bell bill and an Illinois Bell amendment, I predict that . if this amendment is adopted the bill will not be called on third remding.'' Hon. W . Robert Blair: ''The gentleman frcm Cook. Mr'. Maragos.'' samuel C. Maragos: ''Mr. Xpeaker and Members of the Housee in ' explaining my vote, this amendment will insure that the rate paying public in the State of Illinois will only be paying for the rates and the use of the telephone service in the State of Illinois or any public utility if the re 's any othe'r besides Illinois Bell. We are making this more ' powerful to protect the consumer and to make it more power - ful to make it easier for us to adopt something like this h. ' ' ... Akl;;y ç...: :Z?l-. y' T ljy't % , G EN ERA L.A SSEM BLY . .l t .$fU.'.ï -X r. , .). sq'A. rEor'uud-oIs ' .',Co..'1.<@' . so uss olr 14sensscs.rxv1ves 80 in the third reading because of the fact by making sure th+ even though Illinois Bell does use and has services in Indiana, services in other states. possibly besides Illinoi , we are only going to be concerned that we in Illinois pay for costs of service .in Illinois. Therefore, we ask for this amendment-'' Hon. W . Robert Blairz ''The gentleman from Ccok. Mr. Fleck .'' Charles J. Fleckz ''Wôll. Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlbmen of the House, for the l' i/e of me.and I was a member of the commn 'ttee who heard this bill, I do not undevstand how the rate making got involved in this. It's very clear that thi is just a matter of procedure, to simplify the technicality of the corporation or presently Illinois Bell or any other corporation that might have over 51% of the stock in the company can merge. And there's nothing that 's going to stop that merger unless a lot of derivative suits which might delay it, but there will be a merger. Now, this appears to be mainly a change in procedure. And to say if I want to walk to New York and take the slow wqy. I can raise my rates, but if I decide to fly, .you 're going to punish me to raise my rates, there's a builtvin contra- diction. If they 're going to raise their rates under the slow form, they're going to raise their rates under the high form and thereds nothing you can do to stop it. And if they 're not going to raise their rates, they're not going to do it. And this is just a matter of procedure and I don't think rate raising or lowering has anything to do . xJJ x. oz:y:t' l>6>zh Jr7 .i y G E N E R A L A SSE M B L Y 2.-'Rol..-3'.,i >t2) / ' svx. rsov,uuI, qo's . y T. *t . NOUSE O F [email protected] . -- . . (jp. with it at this pointo'' Hon. W . Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Davis.'' Corneal A. Davis: ''Ah# Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, my distinguished friend let me say that if . such a merger if such a merger of the Illinois Bell and A.T. & T. èould be accomplished under existing conventional merger laws, if it could be accomplished under the merger laws. why do'you have to have this bill? I didn't say it wouldn't but I'm telling you there's a danger that your telephone rates are going to be raised and if you don't need it why do ypu have to have this bi11?'' Hon. W. Robert Blaié' : ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Rayson.'' Leland H. Raysonz ''Mr. Speaker and Members of the House , I wish to explain my 'Yeas! vote here . There has come up in this debate the matter of should this apply to a utility company. a special class, and'seemingly an undesirable way of,doing it and then there was the debate matters pe' rtain- inq to .rate.making. First as I explaiped before short . , merger bills has been up before this legislature and never before have we talked in terms of a 1% bill, so it seems quite apparent it's designed for the proposed merger of ' Illinois Bell with A.T.&T. Now, iear in mind the arguments raised by Representative Maragos wheh he says that right now that in this state we are concerned for rate making wit all of the factors involved w ith Illinqis Bell. We have ' a $1.4 billion healthk public utility in this state and paradoxkcally ' the A .T.&T. is not so healthy although it's . : A '' .. . ' '. J; ys ' ; ...t :1le'r.' ; - . x.l $b' GENEsRvxAvcLo,A,uS ,sL . k -J .. . x,7.. , u,S qoE f ,sM 1 1LY PIoossoeaspassclmx' rlves lR *1>G ' . . :2. a $25 billion or $26 billion national if no't an internation al cartel yet, it dealà with a1l of the jurisdictions of al1 of the states plus the Interstate Commerce Commission . Why 'should it come to Illinois me'rge under a formula where shareholders will get so-called fair value for their shares when the pèculiar stockholdèrs of Illinois Bell look at this as investment stock for which they get decent dividend every year and they look to it for some sort pf an income kind of producing investment and why should this incom e future actuarily market value concept be negated by the formula expressçd in this bill as amended. So. I suggest that if we want to have rafe making as before in this state we should do so hopefully with Illinois Bell intact. Ah, if we don't want this kind ofhorrendous new concep: to creep upon us and be applicable to all corporations, the'n I think we 're opening up a l'pandora's box in a jield that is already rife with difficulty and swindling and not too ' good regulation-'' Ilon. W . Robert Blair: ''Have all vbted who wished? Th e Clerk will take the record . On this question, there are 71 'Nays . and 55 'Yeas' and Mcclain , 'Yeas'# and the amendmentk . amendment number two is lost. oh, a11 right, Amendment Number Two is lost . Third reading. Ah, the gentleman from Cooke Mr. Burditt- n Coorge M . Burditt: ''Ah Mr. Speaker # . Ladies and Gentlemen of the House , I move for a fifteen minute recess during which time we can hear our colleague , c. L. Mccormick. give us a ! A 'j G E N E R A L A SSE M B L Y / FTAT? E,F luulNols Y= >M * HoklsE oF !RcP'Re:sE:NTA.TlVcs . . 83. pitch on insurance .'' Hon. W . Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook , Mr. Hyde.'' Henry J. Hyde: 'Before we dc that, Mr. S/eaker. I'd like to say something not by way of personal privilege. but just because I'm the Majority Leader and I would claim that right. The newspaper has published in the Chicago laut evening, the 'Chicago Daily Kews' has a columnist who is more noted for his wit than his #iirness and his honesty. and hë wrote an article.that I rqad and I wasn't shocked by it beçause this gentleman has a talent for'invective really exceeded only by his disregard for the truth and I read it and I thought to myself I know the gentleman for whom he 's writing and if there ever was anybody that is not a hustler, it is this gentleman. If there ever was a man's man. ah, he certainly isn 't perfect. There's no one in thi assembly who could throw any stones or who would claim to ' be without sin. but I think the vicious, unprincipled,belcw the be1E' , filthy article that was written ought to be labeled as just that and I want to so label it. Thank you-' Hon . W . Robert Blair: ''Al1 right, ah, thi: is a bit of an unusual procedure, but Representative Mccormick has the information that all of us would be interested in concern- ing the insurance program and I don 't want to do it while we dre in session, so we will then recess for fifteen min- utes. we will stay out here of course, bgt we'll go back then into the session at 3:00 P.M . Soy the House will be in recess for fifteen minutes then and the Mr. Mccormick ...!.'A . Z T' r / -j:w 'q G E N E R A L A SS EM B LY 2: 'k',,1.. 1 2 !) svwvco..,uu1, 4o's .tl '' OJ* .. -- '.*'J! PIC'tlS* OF REPRESCF'YATlVZS x '' + . 1 . ... . . :4 will prcceed to inform us. '' Recess JA 2:45 O'Clock P.M.' C. L. Mccormick : ''Ah, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House , . last year people from b0th sides of the aisle , we passed the Illinois State Employees Group Insurance Program . Now , we're down to the wkre on it and we have to. Mr. Walterman ' from the Dep' artment of Personnel who is in charge of the section of the state employees group that would affect u s is here and I would like to present him so he can present . ' to you the program .,, . Mr. Walterman : ''Thank you. Mr . Mccormick, and I'm here, good afternoon Mr. Speaker, Ladies andGentlemen . I'd like to present the program that 'was presented to us to provide benefits which is paid for by a bill passed i'n your House. This bill will provide life ihsurance paid for entirely for yourself up to equal one half of your gross state in- . ' . come. It will pay for your health insurance in full. This also provides optional life insurénce which you can purchas . ' equal to the state paid life insurançer t ' at the rate of 68/ . a thousand. Yop will have an option to purchase $2.000.00 worth of life insurance 'on your spouse , at the rate of 54/ per thousand. Your children, up'to age 18, if not in school, you can purchase $1,000. 00 worth of life insurance on each ehild, of one or ten for 54H a. mènth, which is ' very cheap. Your heaïth insurance on your dependents. you . have three options available, the high option which is give .. ' .':f . ;. f.'x.. ' ' roa' - i' : yj72Y GENER A L A SSEM BLY (;pe . . h.!x '1/z , ..Lj , sxwv. soeIuu.ao's 1u o',.',* . . : ..' ..' . ..' . '' HQ QSK OF RKPRESKNTAY'VCS . ' . 85. to a1l the representative, senators ànd the state'employees free, paid by the state, is available to your ddpendents. . If you have one dependent, the rate as indicated in your booklet, $18.98 for two or more dependents, $36.18. If you should choose one of the lower options which is equal or better than any benefit provided by one of the state pro- grams prior to this time, this high option' program has been specifically designed for out of hospital carey This will provide for tests, x-ray lab tests in the doctors' office or out-patient hospital department or treatment if necessar at the rate of 100%. It also pro 'vides in-hospital care for 365 daysy full cost for whatever the hospital may charge for 365 days. This also will provide for the doctor for the first $1,000.00. 80%.of the doctor, 90% of the néxt .. $2.000.00 and 100% of the of a1l over $2,000.00 of the doctor's charges. There is no top dollar limit, but the ihing that I Fant to really explain to you. you were a11 x e' given a booklete read it over, you 'll be given this free insurance, if you want your dependents covered, lill out the enrollment card that is attached and leave in the ' Speaker's office and I will pick it up. My phone nuiber, my name is on the letter enclosed in the bo'oklet if you need additional help or information, please call me, I 'd be glad to talk to you at any time. Only other thing that I would want to say before I c1o4e ' that this is a one time opportunity, if you don't enroll at .this time, if your health is not good, you 'll not be able to enroll your de- ,., z. ' r ) c ExERA j. AssE:11)LY .(;jt;;; ,a , tr.. . . x,j;. , : kvxvsoe,uulsols ' 86 . Pendents until the next open enroîlment. which could be 18 months or 2 years away, so take advantage of enrolling your dependents because this is a program. one of the better programs in the United States and I ean say that with sincerity. Theré will be information on the billing mailed to you on how you will pay for your dependent cover- age. This will be provided before January le so that the coverage will become effective as of January 1, 1972, to pfovide the best health care program available for a11 state employees. I thank you for your time.'' Hon. W . Robert Blair: ''There 's a question there. The gen- tleman, Mr. Murphy, the gentleman from Lake- '' W . J. Murphy: ''Ah # I was going to suggest, Mr. Speaker: that if Mr. Walterman would take one of these application: and go right through it and let me show the members how to answer it. because there are some questions here that might be of a Aittle doubt in our minds. Will you do G at?'' Mr. Walterman: ''Yes. I 'd be glad to . The application card on the upper right hand side there's thr/e boxes, new, change and tçrmination. check the new box, because you 'll be a new member. And if at .any Eime you would have a new dependent to be added, then you would need to fill out a new card, so this is the reason we would need the change and termination bcxes. Over on the upper'left you will print your last name, first name and middle initial . Pleas print heavily or have your secretary type this application z..;.ag .. iJ.1. x.j '4 ,. ,, f :: j,> .' ? .'a!= . . :y . .)w.r 1? is . .5 G ENERA L ASSEM BLY x .A C fAJ 5TA.TE ofrIt.k.1N0IS NœLt>' r*M .....' ' 87. because we have to have the last copy clearly, because this is the information that we lre backing up your en- rollment, if you should incur a problem, our office is going to refer to this card and we're going to back it to the hilt of the policy and you have our word on that . So# please print heavily and clearly . Your home addres's that is city, county, state an'd uip code .Now, you would in the box below employee, and then below that your em- ployer'as you well know would then be the House of Repres- entatives. Below this. the state paid insuranc'e, yes, because it's given to you free. Below this, then if you want just your wife enrolled, or maybe one dependent, then you would check Yes, but if you have more than one depend- ent. then you would skip this and then go to the next box belcw this where it says two plus, or Nus two or more de- pendents, and check yes and the option which you desire , high option. low option one or low option two . Now . in case youejust enrolled one dependent in the upper boxes, please print his name or her name in this box due to we need to know when there's just one depenoent, because of the rate structure, the name of this dependent . And dcwn below this, where it says sponsored dependents, if you should have an aged mother or father or an aunt who is a dependent, according to your Internal Revenue report, then you can sponsor them on this program and have health insurance and you would need to write their name in there and check the box rather whether they 're eligible for med- . ' .- & J..'' N' .' .' w z i 2o.ê ( kk v' i(' 7 )j ' .r> z.) t f ., ,:) GENER AvsLoeA,uS svx xoElsMBLY u,S ' ' n... ' n... ,' , so uss o,racessss-vxvdvss .. ! ' 88. icare or not, over on the right side , We need yovr birth- day, the employees date of birth, your social security num- ber, sex, marital status. single, married, divorced. or wha J ever. Employee eligible for medicare, yes, we need this. If you 're not eMgible for medicare, then we will provide benefits in fu11. If you are eligible for medicare, we'll ' pay benefits around what medicare doesn 't .pay . If your spouse is 'eligible for medicare , we need to know this, if she is not eligible, we need to know this also. Then be- low this wculd be the name of beneficiaries you would like to have on your life insurance in case of your death . Now, this is very important. You know well better than I what a legal technology this would be if you had no name and the money would go into your œ tate, so please put your bene- ficiaries name in there. And then below this the .number of eligible number of dependent children you wish to en- roll. Now, dependent children under the bill, 2601, are a11 children declared under your income tax , regardless of age as long as they 're in 'an accredited college . . If they become 19 years of age or older and not in college, then they are not eligible for your ben'efits unless they are a retarded or physically handicapped child. .Your life insur- ance for the employee if you want just the portion which is half of your annual gross state salary, then you e u1d check bok marked yes. Then you 're entitled to take an optional amount which would equal your state paid salary at the rate of 68/ a tiousand, then you would want to check 2'k( --. ' l..',, -%L.A .' ''.'v 1ou.z' ' t 7 . .' .j7 7 -: 1 x. . .. 'ty ) w.E,sM BLv u,s t.i,sA,us Avs R.. cEx E, $4xtl.. 'fo . .r.-. ...l.%* / '' ROuSE o F RleRfS?NTAT1vEs a:. the next box which says yes. And below this employee A .D . and D. This means Accidental Death and Dismemberment coverage. meaning that if you would be a'ccidentally kill- ed. it would pay double the amount of life insurance that you have available. You can check 'No '.or you can check on just what the state pays, or you can check on the entire amount of coverage available t' o you at the rate of 6/ a thousand. The dependent life. as I stated a few minutes ago woùld be your spouse, a $2.000.00 maximum at the rate of 54/ a thou4and. This is a good bargain. Dépendent children. if you have one or ten, it's 54# a month and you mark yes or no on this. And sign it and turn it into the speaker's office and I will pick them up there. If there are any questions on benefits or enrollment procedures, please get in touch with me, I'd be more than glad to help YCY @'' Hon . W. Robert Blair: ''Mr. Miller. Ah. Kenny Miller .'' Kenneth W.'éiller: ''Ah# one question that severdl members have already asked me. And that is that if a member of the General Assembly should retire on and go on the leg- islative pension, does this continue the rest of his life?'' Mr. Walterman: ''If he 's eligible for retirement income, yes, it would continue, the state paid portion would continue the rest of his life.'' Hon. W . Robert Blair: ''Mr. Murphy .'' ' W. J. Murphy: ''Ah, the 68/ a thousand and 54# a thousand, is that per month?'' ...' q&.yçh 'A . eocT' ' z? a' th GEN ERA L A ssEM BLY i*' .'j - ) wt' h ' b:à x> .'M k '. .', .* j) ' . svxvs.s'uujaoIs HoklSe!o F REP'eeEsCNTA.TIVES ' 9g Mr. Walterman: HYes, that is per month.'' Hon . W . Robert Blair: ''Mr. Sheao'' Gerald W . shea: ''Sir: at the present time I have a blue ./ cross / e blue ?'@ shield C'J policy. Now, if I sign up for this plan for b0th myself and my falily and continue my blue cross,-blue . 1 s/hiel 1 d poliey. whaE's the net effect of it?'' Mr. Walterman: ''The net effect would be that we 'll pay up to 100% of the loss if it's a.blue cross .program that has been sponsored through the stàte employees' through thepersonnel office. this program will no longer be. Gerald W . Shea: ''No, I have a separate policy.'' Mr. Walterman: ''As an individual? You pay monthly.'' Gerald W . Shea: ''Yes. Now . if I have that policy and my state policy, assume that I'm in the hospital and thê room is $60.0 .0 a day. you pay the $60.00 and blue cross pays the $60.00 or do you prorate it between you or how dc you handle that?'. ze Mr. Walterman: ''Since it's not a group program, they we would pay the limit of our contract and they would should pay the limit of their contract.'' Gerald W . shea: ''Now , if I'm under a group plan . Mr. Walterman: ''Then it would be non-duplicating or pay 100% of your loss and no more .'' Hon . W . Robert Blair: ''Mr. Barry.'' Tobias Barry: ''Un-huh .'' Hon' . W . Rdbert BlH r: ''Mr. Hill, I'm sorry .'' Jerome John Hil1: ''I think what Mr. Shea was referred to ;',,f--:-g)k-$. i .,S ; E T F' ?1. , st kh ï c E N E R A L, A ssE M B L Y - , : ff jij'z:i .' *'' A * TU . ;' . I sTA. Te:oFILL1hlolS ' 91 coordinated bençfits. There is no coordinated benefits in the state plan, is that correct?'' Mr. Walterman: ''There is, coordination cf benefits or non- duplicating benefits in the state plan against any other 'group coverage, individual coverage, it makes no difference '' John Jerome Hi1l: ''All right, then, if there if a Person belongs to another group that has eoordinated benefits, then b0th Of'them split the cost of the visits to the hos- pital or the various bills that are presented, is that correct?'d Mr. Walterman: e'That is correct- '' John Jerome Hill: ''And then if an an individual has an in - dividual contract with any of these outfits and .the have a coordinated benefit in that policy. then thàt policy will coordinate those payments with the state policy but th e policy of the state will not c'over, is that right?'' . Mr! Walterman: ''There 's very few ah if any I 've ever seen individuél tontracts, other than group contracts that has this feature in it. Most individual programs, I'm going to leave it most. because there might be an exception 'that . has duplicating .clauses, because it's only group and the reason for this is to réduce the group rate in order Y keep it in line. If we had a non-duplicating clause in our contract and another group didn 't # they 'd end up paying a11 the bills. so we put it in our contract j.n order t' o keep ' /the rate in line, to keep the state costs in line, so this is why the non-duplicating clause is placed under the contr ct-'' ... . 5 .4 .: /ow J-. 73>6, G E N E R A L A SS EM B LY û' $t' j' t J -k &,: svxvco.rIuu'sots ' . ,t %3'' ;ua..1* o e John Jerome Hill: ''A1l right. if I have a bill for. $l.O00.O0 with the House with the'hospital and I have a plan, a pri- vate plan. what will the state pa# on this? Of the $1,000 . 00?1' ' Mr. Walterman: ''It will depend on the type of plan , but if it 's a hospital bill itself, if more than 10 days, it will pay the entire costs unless it was a private room charge. '' John Jerome Hill: ''A1l right , and if I have' in the private plan a coordinated benefit , what then will that plan pay mc?'î Mr. Walterman : ''It willpay then what our plan didn 't pay. '' John Jerome Hi1l: ''Okay . '' Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Al1 right, now. we're at 3:00 P.M ., so I'd suggest that any of the rest of you that have questions he'll be here at the side of the rostrum and you can sllp up there and ask those questions , because we could keep going a11 afternoon, youknow - '' Mr. Walterman: HI thank you , gentleman.'' Return at 3:00 O'Clock P .M . Hon. W . Rcbert Blair: ''All right, the House will be back in order. Ah, on leave of the House, Senate Bills second read ing, there appears Senate Bill 1054 . 9' Jack O 'Brien: Hsenate Bill 1054, a biâl for an act to amend 'The School Code '. second reading of the bill. No committ e amendments-'' Hon. W . Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Ogle. Mr. Brinkmeie .'' .. :.1* r v. wn ?st..uz. t' t..2* .7b'>'- = y! G E N E R A L A SS EM B LY J%. 't! . k,' .1 4 w$,î, ! A ) , vxms o'e.1uk.jw oIs * . r.... . '% 1.u ë .'.%* HOklSE 1 F REPREsEaTAT1VCS t$ze.. . 93. Robert E. Brinkmeier: ''Mr. . . 'f Hon. W . Robert Blair: ''Further amendmentsa'' Jack O 'Brien: ''Amendment . . . '' Hon . W . Robert Blair: ''Read the amendment. '' Jack O 'Brienz ''Amendment Number One , Brinkmeier. Amend senate Bill 1054 on page 2 . by ihserting after line 15 the followingz 'section 2. This .act takes effect upon its iecoming a 1aw'.'' Hon. W . Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Ogle, Mr. Brink- meier .'' Robert E. Brinkmeierz ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. this amendment merely provides for an emerg ency clause which is necessary for this b ill. Ah . I urge 'the adoption of Amendment Numher One to Senate Bill 1054. :9 Hon. W . Robert Blair: ''Any discussion? Any further discussio ? All those in favor say 'Yeas'# the opposed 'No'# the 'Yeas ' have it and the amendment is adopted. Further amendments? Third reading A ' . Ah. on Senate Bills first reading ap/ears , Senate Bill 1271 on which earlier today, the gentleman from Dupage, Mr. Redmond, ah ah asked for leave to advance it to the order of second reading without reference to ccm - ' mittee. The gentleman from Dupage , Mr. Redmond.'' William A . Redmond: ''Mr . Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, this is identical bill to one which was passed by the House by Representative Rose . It provides for the membership on water commissions and when we remove the judicial appointments, we didn't make any provision for .y .ez:' % zk 'c'. ...' ( /ofj c4p vt. y ' G sxERA L AssEM B(, Y I.:f1k>'kr. ::.,, ..j xx j) .... t, sAriqvsogjuujxojs @ ' . r:.. drz.4 .. . *%* ' NOkllq Q F FIEPRCSE:NTATIVE' S ..i..! !'.,. ' 94. appointing the third member and I have an pmendment which 1111 seek to attach on secon/ reading. I've checked with the leadership on b0th sides and they have no objections to advancing it.'' Hon' . W . Robert Blair: ''Al1 right, ah, is there leave? Al1 right, hearing no objection, the bill will be read a first time and advanced to the order of second reading without reference-'' Jack O 'Brien: ''senate Bill 1271. A bill for an act to amend sections 11-135-2 of 'The Illinois Municipal Code'. First reading of the bill.'' Hon . W . Robert Blair: ''Second reading. Al1 right, Senate Bill 1297.,' Jack O'Brien: ''senate Bill 1297. A bill for an act to amend 'The Vehiclp code'. First reading of the bi1l.'' Hon. W . Robert Blair: $'1309... Jaok 6'Brien: ''senate'Bill 1309. A bill for an act to auth- % orize the Department of Public Works and Buildings to vacate certain easement in Lee County . First reading of the bill..' Hon. W . Robert Blair: ''0n the Speaker's table, appears a message from the Senate with regard to House Bill 3700 . cn which the Chair recognizes the gentleman from McHenry . Mr. Lindberg.'' George W . Lindberg: ''Ah. Mrk Speaker, 370*0. . .ah is the ZS e * *'' Hon, W. Robert Blair: ''Ah, I suggest you might want to lis- ' .. :>.'z kz.v, .,. q . ;)x . dz 'zs. vz.( fg aij '..:%, , ; y'xkj s . j G ENERA L ASSEM BLY h.!) t . .' , .Jy '.'j '; ./ $TA. TEQFIuu1N<)l1; x .. HOKISE o !r F'EPF/CSEINTATIVCS . 95. ten ah closely to this because itfs with respect to senate action concerning House Bill 3700.'' George W. Lindberg: ''Ah # Mr. Speaker, I before I make a mo- tion just to alert the House to the subl'ect matter that is before us, House Bill 3700. as you indicated was the code of conduct for public officials, which was passed out of this House after extensive amendment and has been since been amended in the House and returned this morning to this House. Ah, Mr. Speaker, I would like to move that the House do concur in the amendments to House Bill 3700 to the Senate amendments in Housl Bill 3700, and in making that motion, Mr- Speaker, I would like to pcint out that one of the amendments that was adopted in the Senatp, Amendment Number One, essentially grafts an early version of Sena te Bill 81 which is 'now over 'here onto 370/ and ' essentially repeals everything that we have sent over to the Senate. Among the various deficiencies of House Bill 3700 as% mended by the Senate is the fact that there is no provision now in 3700 to cover tie matter of campaign dis- closurey campaign ccntribution and expenditure disclosures ' which I consider extremely important. Interestingly enough House Bill 3700 as amended by the Senate does not provide does not provide for any disclosure by the third branch of governmenty the judicial. In addition to that, the i ' prohibztions which we found in'3700..have been removed, G ose prohibitions which would have precluded a public of- ficial from dealing with the agency which he is a member. ' ;' 4.àj3: Dt ô. G ENER AL'ASSEM BLY s,l' r * . . ... j. ( X t. .J. lTA. TEofrlut.lNO1S .I P1o uSE (3F REeRESENTA.T1MflS ., . :6 Also, of course, there's a $5,000.00 threshhold for the most part in the new bill that wedre considering here to- day as designed Yy the Senate. In addition to that, there is another problem with the bill in its present form and that is that the Board of Ethics is composed of a legisla- tive leaders, which I personally do not approve of and ah 3700 on the other hand would have had the leaders in each branch of govprnment make name appointments regardless of political philosophy . In addition to that, the provisions of 3700 would have required the public disclosures to be filed with the Secretary of State and the County clerk. kh ich would have made it much more easy for citizens to check in their county court houses for the economic state- ments. Ah: Senate Bill 81 which is now engrafted on 3700 would make it more difficult, because we would have to come to the Secretary of State's O/fice.to make that examination Additionally, the bill, 3700, as in its present form, has no campa gn spending limitation, so, in essence, in making my motion to concur, Mr. Speaker, what I am saying is that we are getting near the deadline in this session. 1'think it is extremely .critical that we pass some bill during the ensuing few days so thaé we may ipprove the present ethics act which is on the books. 3700 has as it was treated by the Senate is now grossly deficient in my opinion, but the fact is that we still have the original jenate Bill 81 here in the House so we do have a vehicle to engraft some of the better provisions of 3700 on the Senate Bill 81 and 82. ... . gk ..x ('iow. . :h( ,i ;yh * . r't) fJ .,, .- e -oE'sMBLY S uSu. LoeA' xAv. Rv GENEs k' . ' ,'-. =.'-' soussoense-ssssvxv' vss ' - 97 :.Jc that reason, Mr. Speaker,'l think it 's imperative we do get a piece of legislation alk-#T- ait far from o .4: (sfactory. out of this body: down to the. second floor. that we will not run the risk of failing to enact a D:tlstantial improvement, even though far from perfect over Present ethics laws in the State of Illinois . So, Mr . :b.c:aker. with that I would now move that we concur in the . . vvnate amendments to House Bill 3700 !'' .. l:.tl. lf. Robert Blair: ''The gentlemqn from Bureau. Mr. Barry .'' :'. i,t.1s Barry : ''Would the sponsor yield to a ques 'tion? Mover (,f the motion?'' ,;.tt. W. Robert Blair: ''Yes. he indicates he will.'' ltas Barry : ''Georgee I 'm unclear as to the prohibition. Wotlld you repeat that aspect, please'?'' t.''$'rfle W . Lindberg : l'Yes. I indicated that Article III c f 3700 as it left the House, I think it 's Article 111, it misht be Article II, I can check that very quickly , has Certaiheprohibitions with regard to public officials deal- ing with the units of local government or state government tlpon which they were either members or in some capacity l'ûrved. That is that they could not contract with that Dtlency, they could not buy , sell'or lease from or to that aSency. That was in the original 3700. It does not appear L='# in 3700 as amended , and I consider this a/unfortunate dQficiency but nonetheless I do feel itls critical that we , to %et a bill out of this legislature and down to the Gov- ' ')rnor 1S deSk . çI N 'G E N E R A L A SSE M B L Y ITA.TE o F 1Lu1NolS HOtlSE O F GEeR*:Se!-TA.'rlVf5 98. Tobias Barry: ''If I understand your an swere George. but I don't believe you're being specific about what the pro- hibitions are now . You said that 3700 in effect is not 3700 as it returns to us and I would like t o know distinc- t1y what the prohibitions are and I might announce that I'm going to vote for it regardless, but I think this kouse should know whether the so-called double dipper is still there, whether a school teacher can serve in this Iegis- lature or not and I don 't believe you 've answered that question-'' George W . Lindberg: ''Yes. well under the leadership of Sen- ator Partee. tie. .'' Hon. W . Robert Blair: ''All right, for what. I'm sorry ex- . cuse me# fbr what purpose does the gentleman from Cook, Mr . shea, rise?'' Gerald W . Shea: ''Mr. Speaker, I don 't have a copy of this document on my desk . '' Hon . W . Robprt Blair: 'tlrve been advised by th e Clerk that they were distributed this morning . '' George W . Lindberg: .'81 was. . . '' Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Jack, Jack advises me that they were distributed this morning, I just asked him.'' Gerald W . Shea: ''I don 't think some of th e members on this side have them .'' Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''For what purpose does the gentleman from Cook, Mr. Berman . rise?'' Arthur L. Berman: ''We1l# Mr . Speaker, I don'k see my copy and . %. ... ;. . r à, l '. s ' i 'e<,a:' ; 7; >')y G ENER A L A SSEM BLY l .'''t-.'' j' h .. ,Aj ,îi svxve:oe$uut -oIs *' -' '' 1,.,L. v%*.' Hokzsc o lr nueaisEN'rA' rlve:s :l** . w . q, I was just wondering if the sponsor could take this out of the record for a few minutes so we could look at these?'' Hon. W . Robert Blafr: ''The gentleman from McHenry, Mr. Lind- berg.'' George W . Lindberg : ''We1l# Mr. Speaker, Mr. Speaker, ah'many of the members have come to me with the amendments a11 through the morning, I know they were on the desks early this morning.' I'm sure they must be over there o '' Arthur L. Bermant '' Wel1, I've just been handed a set of the amendments, George, and you know we eve worked very hard on this whole package for many many months, could you just tak it out of the record for a little bit so we could look at it for a little bit?'' George W . Lindberg : ''Well, Mr. Speaker, ah: I certainly would want to extend the courtesy ah to those who truly have not had an adequate opportunity to' review these amendments. They are short for the most part and ah but if it is their desire tf hàve some time to look at it, I hope that we can get through it today, then. Mr. Speaker. I think we should try to get a bill out of this House %nd down to the Gover- nor as quickly as possible-'' Hon. W . Robert Blair: ''Ah, a1l right, the Gentleman 's asked leave to have it taken out of the record . Hearing no ob- jection, we will get back to it today. The gentleman from Cook , Mr. Shea-'' derald W. shea: ''Mr. speaker, might I check with the prin- cipal sponsor, I have what reports to be Senate Amendments . .. /'qzy: A yjr . t ) .*- iL t >sy ç 5 . GEN ERA L A SSEM BLY ;s t j : k-- . '3 )' , y. i -, z .. ) . 7 t'* .. '. -o' uul svwveoe' s soussos'nceassss,x. Avlvzs one, Two, Five, six. Eight. Nine. Ten and Twelve# is that corrèct? Nowy are we going to vote on each of these amend- ments Separately?'' ' George .W . Lindbergz HAN# noy I3m moving that we concur in the senate amendments to this bill. You will note, Representa- tive Shea, that the amendments subsequent to Amendment Num- ber One do amend Amendment Number One in effect even though they do not specifically have that precise language except for Number Twelve that precisely said that. But the b al- ance of the amendments would be meaningless without amend- ment number one, so there would be no reason to take them one at a time.'' Gerald W . Sheaz nAll right, new, as I understand it , the rule provide that we vote on each amendment separately and ah is that correct. Mr. &peaker?'' Hon. W . Robert Blair: ''We11. if you're having reference to the matter that was before this House , then ycur question's , . . not in order, because that was taken out of the record.yj Gerald W . sheaz ''Oh , all right, If. 1l wait. '' Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''When we get to it, why 1'11 be happy to address myself to that. '' Gerald W . Shea: ''Thank you . '' Hon. W . Robert Blair: ''On the Speaker's table under the order of motions appears House'Bill 3562, on which the Chair re- cognizes.the gentleman from McHenry , Mr. Frqdric B . Selcke: ''Yeah, pursuant to Rule 79, I move that the Ccmmittee on Judiciary: Division II be discharged from # .. :uâ ' < ;*4- .:Ar'r l p' ', GEN ERA L A SSEM BLY 2*T,y,'tr.c - z , . t,) .... svwve oe 'uu.xo's . , ,+%* s ousE:.oF'nceRcscN'rA'r1vcs .. 'J!'*!..' ' 1 -- 0 . further consideration of House Bill 3562 apd that it be placed on the calendar on the order of second reading, sec- ond legislative day. Signed, George Lindberg.'' Hon . W . Robert Blairz ''The gentleman from McHenry, Mr. Lind- berg .'' 1 George W . Lindberg: ''We1l, Mr. Speaker, pursuant to the writ- ten motion, I would like to move to suspend the rules in Rule 79 so that Judiciary 11 of which I am Chairman would be discharged from further consideration of 3562, the pur- pose of which bill is to make the Circuit Jkdges in this . state equal insofàr as their salary is cbncerned. It would implement the transition section of the constitution . It is in itself is not a pay raise bill as such-'' ' Hon. W . Robert Blair: ''All right. . .'' George W . Lindberg: ''I've cleared with this with the other' side of the aisle. Mr. Speaker.'' ' Hon . W . Robert Blair: ''Al1 right, there has to be a prelim- ' Z ' inary motion, though as I see this matter to suspend the provisions of Rule 32c because that's the rule that pro- ' ' vides that the final date for standing committees of houses that report house bills was October 23# and so is there objection to that? The gentleman.from Union, Mr. Choatea'' ' Clyde L. Choate: ''I heard the gentleman say that he cleared it with this side of the aisle. I don't remember discuss- ing it with him.'' . ' . George W . Lindberg: ''Ah, I checked with Representative Shea.'' Clyde L. Choate : ''I do like to be consulted occasionally, ' g* .'. ... .w tjN'.. e ? ' j GENERAL ASSEM BLY '.',JzJt '.X . ' 'r . ..' '' .', ' 4.z . s NoI r1uu1 svxm.soI P1Dt;5E o F REPRESEMTATIVCS . . 0 . George, all right?'' George W. Lindberg: ''I thought he was your judicial expert. clyde.'' Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''All righte is there objection to sus- pending the rule 32c2 A11 right, hearing none, then leave is granted to do that and ah al1 those in favor of the motion to discharge. . .ah , is there unanimous consent to discharge the'committee from further consideration of 3562. so that it can be placed on the calendar on second reading, second legislative day . Al1 right, hearing none. then the committee will be .discharged and placed on second reading, second day. The . . .1073. on the order of motion.'' Fredric B. Selcke: ''Motion . What is this, Senate B. i11? Ah, motion. Pursuant to Rule'79# I move that the Committee on cities and Villages, Division of Municipal Corporations be discharged from further consideration of Senate Bill 1073 and that it be placed on the calendar on the order os sec- ond readfng, second legislative day . signed, J. David Jones.'' Hon. W . Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Sangamon, Mr'. Jones '' J.' David Jonés: ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, pursuant to Rule .79, I rise to ask for the discharge of cities and Villages committee as ln relation to senate Bill 1073. The proper motion has been filed and it's on the calendar. The purpos: of moving Senàte Bill 1073 to the floor is to allow thak the amendment which would change the objective of th il1 and to get it voted on in this .. h . .h . glkl k .. /vdo/.7tsk$ 1 z1 ...ka7$ %t G E N E R A L A SSE M BL Y . :!.,?.f A -'ë s' rA. TeoFIuu1eloI s * ' ' .' #z '. x%* '' House o e RE:eIRE;SETN'TATIvE.s . zoa. session . This particular legislation only affects the Springfield Commuhity and the action is sponsored by the entire local legislative delegation on b0th sides of the aisle. We have cleared this with the C%airman cunningham of the cities and villages committee and he has no objectio on it. I 'd appreciate your vote-'' Hon. W . Robert Blair: ''The gpntleman from Bùreau, Mr. Barry -'' Tobias Barry: ''Will the sponsor yield to a question?'' Hon. W . Robert Blair: ''He indicates that he wil1.'' Tobias Barry: ''Dave, would this this have the affect of mak- ing monies available to the Sprihgfield Authority that woul otherwise be available to a1l of the communities in the J. David Jones: ''No. it would not sir. This is not an 'attemp and I have the amendment,l propose énd I'd be glad to g' ive you a copy of it when this gets on the bœ rdm'' Toblas Barry: 'A11 right, thank you-'' Hon. W . Robert Blair: ''Does the gentleman have consent for the adoption of the motion? All right, ah, hearlng no objection, then a rule will be suspended and the committee will be discharged and the bill will be placed on thè order of second reading. second legislw ative day . The ah leave of the House, go back to House Bills second reading, House Bill 3060.'' Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 3060, .a bill for an act to provide for a privilege taM on certain mobile homes and re- peal an act herein named . Second reading of the bill. one . .t''.''. . . J i sx):: ;J , t.- '-#6- ,'t z' >.r,ï 'e G E N E R A L. A SSE M B L Y q;stu. t. k.' o'.- .. ,yA' .y ,. ,j) ,.... ., svaveoejuujsjols bIrkk:61F o F F3F>$?F!6)F'F4' FA'rIV.. ommittee amendment. Amend House Bill 3060 on page 1. ur by deleting lines 11 and 12. .'' tkl:t. g. Robert Blair: 'lThe gentleman from Lakef Mr. Murphy .'.' J. Murphy: ''Mr. Speaker, the reason for calling this even at this late date is the fact that on acoount of personal property tax being tuled back in again we cculd not hav'e this privilege tax and personal property tax b0th at the same time. This would be double taxation and so with this amendme 'nt we are making 'it so that this is not effective until April l. 1972, which is the new kind of a'ssessed evaluation again and hoping by that time that the personal property tax will either be straightened out by either ex- empting up to a certain amount or in some other fashion and consequently I move the adoption of this amendment.''. Hon. W . Robert Blair: ''Any discussion? Al1 those in favor of the adoption of the amendment say 'Yeas', the opposed 'No'. and the amendment is adopted. Further amendment s?'' Fredric B.Yelckez '' Amendment Number Teo. Hall. Amend House Bill 3060 on page by adding the following: 'Sectbn 9. This Act takes effect upon its becoming a law '. Hon. W . Robert Blair: ''Any discussion? The gentleman from Lake, Mr. Murphy .'' ' W. J. Murphy: ''Ah, Mr. Speaker, this is an amendment by Har- ber Hall t ladd the emergency feature to the bill so we need 60% of the vote for so that it can be law.immediately upon its adoption. I move the adoption of this amendment.'' Bon. W . Robert Blair: ''Any discussion?All those in favor of >x G E N E R A L A SSE M B L Y $ YV/: !fJ . *' STAYE 0 F lLLlN0lN .A' . ? Hok:sE o F *EPREsEbl'T'A.TlVES the adoption of the amendment say 'Yeas': the opposed 'No ' 4 ' 4 to 1. the amendment's adopted . Any further amendmentsz Third reading. 'Ah , for what purpose does the gentkeman from Cook , Mr. Phil Collins. desire recognition? 0h, what purpose does the gentleman from Cook . Mr. Simmons. rise?'' Arthur E. sx'mmons: ''Ah, I made a mistake. Mr. Speakerw'' Hon. W . Robert Blair: ''All right, the gentleman from Cook . ' Mr. Phil Collins-'' Philip W. collins: ''Ah# Mr. Speaker, I would . ask suspension of Rule 32c, 38 and 79 tc take Senate Bill 1285 from the commlttee on Appropriations and then advance it to second reading without rereference to committee . I've talked with ' the chairman of the Appropriations' Committees, the Assis- tant Minority Leader and the Majority Leader about this and we have an agreement based op the provision that I will hold the bill on second readin/ fox further amendments. '' Hon. W . Robert Blair: ''Take it out of the record. All right. with leaye o.f the Housee we'll go to concurrences House , Bill 1951.'% ' Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 1951, . . '' Hon. W . Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Peoria, Mr. Tuerk .'' Pred J. Tuerk : ''Mr. Speaker , Members of the House , House Bill 1951 was the bill in which we raised Ehe rate of interest on general obligation and revenue bonds for park purposes. The Senate put an amendment on it that thëre would be a eut-off date of January 1, 1972. Although I don't neaes- sarily agree with this approach of short notice rather , . . h ;....Jt1.'' ' .' !' Pj,.r,p.>1 J$ cENE RA j. A ssE M B LY . .04k.' / ;. uv: ;Jd k z. :, y .a; -k-' . $ .,œj t . : ... .': s' vA'rE ov ,uu1p.ols . ?.11,e,.. #'*. Hou sE oF REPREsE-TAT1V Es . * than qet involved in a conference committee. and so forth# . I would move for ccncurrence in the senate amendment to House Bill 19.51.'1 Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Any further discussion? A11 right. this 1 final action. The question is shall the House con- cun in Senate Amendment Numher One to House Bill 19512 A1l , those in favor will vote 'Yeas' and the opposed 'No'. Have a11 vofed who wished? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 92 'Yeas'# no 'Nays', and the Hous conçurs in Senate Amendment Number One. O'Hallaren, 'Yeas' ' . Davis, 'Yeas'# Ta'ylor , 'Yeas', Otis Collins, 'Yeas', Mc- . Lendon, 'Yeas'# Shaw, 'Yeas'; Granata. 'Yeas'# Caldwell. 'Yeas.' McDermott, 'Yeas'# Lenard, 'Yeas'. Diprim ' a, 'Yeas'# l01 'Yeas', no 'Nays'. the House concurs with Senate Amend- ment Number One. House Bill 1564. The gentleman from . Cook e Mr. Kipley -'' ' Edkard L. Kipley: ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the ' . Z . . House, I would like to move at this time thatthe House con- cur with Senate Amendment Number One to House Bill 1564. ' . ' It merely adds more so descriptive language to the bill ' and it's satisfactory to me as its original sponsor.'' Hon . W . Robert Blair: ''Further dïscussion? The question is shall the House concur in Senate Amendment Number One to House Bill 15647 Al1 those in favor will vote 'Yeds' and the opposed 'No '. Have all voted who 'wished? The Clerk ' will take the record. Lechowicz, you want to explain your ' vote? Ewell, 'Yeas'# Duff, 'Yeas'. On this question, ther .. j II ..,, .F t d. : /zo..u hï.j ;, 7%ykc j: x.% ' G E N E R A L A SSE M B L Y tJQ. ' kê'.u' )'j '.&.,t) . . smwv.e.,,,.,p,o,s 111 'Yeas' and no 'Nays' and the Senate House concurs in the senate Amendment Number One to House Bill 1564. 1197. The gentleman from Lake, Mr. Matije 'vich-'' John S. Matijevich: ''Mr. Speaker, Lâdies ' and Gentlemen of the House, the senate Bill, Senate Amendment Number One to House Bill 1197 was an agreed amendment worked out with the Attorney General's Office and the direct door to door selle s increased to $25.00 from the now $50.00 where as merchandis cash sales should meet the 3 day cancellation notice. I move to concur to Senate Amendment Numher One to House Bill 1197 .'' Hon. W . Robert Blair: ''Is there further discussion? The ques tion is shall the House concur in Senate Amendment Number one to House Bill 1197. A1l those in favor will vote 'Yeas' and the oppo'sed 'Nd'. Have dll voted who wishedb . The Clerk will take the record. Houlihan, 'Yeas'. On this question! there are l34 'Yeas.. 1 'Nay' and this bill having received the constitutional majoH ty is hereby de- clared passed . Laurino, 'Yeas.. 3015. The gentleman from cook, Mr. Phil Collins.'' Philip W . Collins: ''Ah # Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I move that the Houpe concur with Senate Amend- . ment Number 0ne to House Bill 3015. Amendmenk Number One merely adds the emergency clause to the bill.'' Hon. W . Robert Blair: ''Any further discussion? The question is shakl the House concur in Senat: Amendment Number One tq House Bill 3015 with the provision that it shall become ..'q ' '< #'4 .w .. $ (, ov y .jkj ggy 2V : î., ' zyjy, Jc y $ .... --.. . ' .. . . G ENERA L AssEM BLY .sxavso,-,uu,, .o,s effictive upon its becoming a law. All those in favor will vote 'Yeas' and the opposed 'No% and this requires 107 votes. Have al1 voted who wished? The Clerk will take the recotd. on this question, there are l44 'Yeas' and no 'Nay ' and the House concurs in Senate Aïendment Number One to House Bill 3015. Conference Ccmmittees, Hou 'se Bi11 '112l. The gentleman from Winnebago, Mr. Simms-''. W . Timothy Simms: ''Ah # Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House: move that the House concur in the conference committee report on House Bill 1121 signed by a1l members of the eonferenee committee.'' Hon. W . Robert Blair: ''Is there discussion? All right. ah, the question is shall the House concur in the conference committee report with respéct to House Bill 1121. A11 those in favor will vote 'Yeas' and the opposed 'No'. This is final action and requires 89 votes. Have a11 voted who wished? The Clerk will take the record. On tiis question there are l3l 'Yeas' and no 'Nays' and this bill having re- ceived and this conference committee having received the constitutional majority is hereby declared passed. For wha purpose does the gentleman from cook, Mr. Phil Collins, rise?'' Philip W . Collins: ''Ah # Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, a misunderstanding on my motion to discharge the Apprcpriations' committee of senatp Bill 1285 and advance it to second reading without re/erence is now been resolved '. . and I wculd move for the suspension of Rules 321, 38 and ..! 2zh.' k.<.'.. ., . z ottè ' 3T> ,k $ G E N E R A L A S S E 51B L Y . z'->.c''' 'tl * ' t , - ) .z r'!) =.....? . svxveos,uu,-o's Hok.lse OF REP'RESE-TATIVe% e, #z,. ..%* lc9. 79 for that purpose.'' Hon.W. Robert Blair: ''ïs there objection? All right, hear- ing none. leave will be give'n to suspend those rules and the bill will be advanced to the order of second readinge second legislative day.'' Philip W . Collins: ''Thank you.n Hon. W . Robert Blail: ''A1l righk, ah . . . oh, a11 right, ah, earlier today we were on Senate Bills first reading and we did réad Senate Bill 1297. a first* time and now the gentle- . man from Peoria, desires to ah be recognized concerning tht bill. The gentleman from Peoria, Mr. Day-'' Robert G. Day: ''Thank you, Mr . Speaker and Ladies and Gentle- men of the House. I ask unanimous consent to suspend the provisions of Rule 4la for the purpose of advancing this bill to second reading without reference to committee . It is the same bill th'at passed the House and as amended and I believe we have the approval of the leadership on b0th sides of-the aisle.'' Hon. W. Robert Blair: 'Al1 right, is there objection? All right, leave having been granted, the bill will be advanced to the order of second reading, seeond day, without refer- ence to eommittee. A11 right, now we're back to the Speak- er's table, House Bill 3700. The gentleman from McHenrye Mr. Lindberg.'' George W . Lindberg: ''Well, Mr. speaker, I would now remove . my motion that we do concur inthe Senate amendments to House Bill 3700..' ' .,. . ,f ,r '*( dzin:ru4,t .' .i>' '7J ;.l ?e a : p ?=- ! GEN ERAL A ssE51BLY .*jj z1,n' j'. o.X.,*:j.j j svA. vsosjs.sjsojs elousE o F'GlEF'G EsE-TAT1vES . 110. Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Dlscussion? The gentleman from Cock. Mr'. Shea.'' Gerald W. Shea: ''Yeah. Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, under the rules of the House, as I read them, ah at Rule 68 any member may eall for a division of the question when diyisible and since these are each separate amendments, I ask that each amendment be Voted on separat- ely .'' HonZ W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from McHency, Mr. Lind- berg.'' George W . Lindberg r' ''Mr. Speaker, with the particular clause that Mr. Shea just alluded to, when divisible, I think is the key here. These amendments are not divisible. .Ah, if Senate Amendment Number One, for example, were not to be concurred in, it would make the balànce of the amëndmehis of no significance. whatsoever. so, I maintain that the . question is not divisible .'' Hon. W . Robert Blair: ''I agree, it's not. Senate Amendment Number One deletes everything from House Bill 3700. sets up a new bill if you would on the same subjeet matter and the following amendments a1l amend Senate Amendment Number One. For that reason, they're partial of'that amendment and this is not a divipible matter. Now , it'll have to be considered as an entire packagea'' Gerald W. sheaz 'Mr. speaker. i: ite /ossible to adopt senate Amendment Number One, to refuse to.concur in the other amendments and still have a live, viable bill?'' ' Jj.,JrB> ,': G E N E R A L A SSE M B LY ït 2%- h .' -t gjv'. I 'J I .. ...î ..t ) , 's sowssmavsasoeas os .r'usus-vx j-o's vpvcs Robert Blair: ''Well, if you'can get to senate Amend- pumber One without considering any of the other amend- v..:t .. s I suppose thak would be so. but as the matter stands ht now with the way the Chair has ruled, the vote will ; on the entire amendments to the package/; ! w . shea: ''Wel1', under the rules of the House, as I rea 7.em, and I have.read them wrong al1 session. Robert Blair: ''I don't think that 's correct.'' 3' .*d W . Shea: .ah,k x. Robert Blairz ''You 've been right once o: twice-'' :.'d W. Shea: .ah . I think Rule 68 says that they are n fferent and many times when w e have voted on Senate Amend 'tats before when they have come over, we have taken sep- 'rate roll calls on each vote because that 's what's re- (uired for final action .'' W. Robert Blair: ''I think .the key or the key part of kale 68 is the part to which the gentleman from MeHenry, hc. Lihdberg, referred. and that is that any member may 7211 for division of the question, when the divisible and * he Chir is ruling that this is not a divisible cne, be-. . T3use if you will look at the Senate Amendment, it 's Senate Jmendment Number One 'creates an entirely new bill if you '/tll. A1l of the following amendmentse thene amend senate Qnondment Number one . Now, if that's not correct, why, I -A1 have I'd be very happy for you to point it out to me-'' Q d W shear ''well, as I as I read ite senate Arendment Dumber one took House Bill 3700 and struck everything aftûr G E N E R A L A SS EM B LY STAT'? OF 1Lu1- Q1s HOtJSE OF R EPRESKNTAYIV RS . .x.- ' ' . li 1l2. l l, ' jj the enacting clause. Senate Amendmept Number Teo amends j . ' senate Amendment Numher One. because as I read it it says and I'm reading now from Senate Amendment Number Tuo, it says that amend House Bill 3700 as amendmente as amended -'' jjon. W. Robert Blair: HThat 's right, it was amended by Senate Amendment Number One.'' ccrald W . Shea: ''So that we could adopt amendment number one, adopt amendments number two. and whatever. and just turn dpwn one amendment, have a live viable bill. Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Well, you could, but the Chair's ruling is that you 're going to have to consider a1l of the senate amendments as a group, because they're not divisible and all of the amendments, Amendment Number Twoe to which you refer. Amendment Number Five, to which you refer. Amend ment Number Six. Amendment.Number Eight, Amendment Number Nine , . .'' Gerald W . sheat ''We11. Mr. Speaker, might I ask you a questio ?'' Hon. W . Robert Blair: 'fAmendment Number Ten, they 're al1 they 're al1 senate or it a11 has. amended and they were a11 amended by. see, none of these amendments after Number One . refer to the bill in an unamended'form, so they 're really amending the bill which has to be a question that 's not divisible and that 's the ruling of the Chazr and that's my ruling . The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Berman.'' Arthur L Berman: ''We1l, Mr. Speaker, on the same question: think in the spring you had ruled that we could not offer endments to amendments. We would have to offer bills (. ' y' l s X' GENEsRmwAvsLoeAduSS uj EsMBLY xol ' t/' ' HOUSL OF REPRESEMTATIVEs < - . zza. amendments to the bill as amended. Now , in line with that. thôse Were Whenever a Concurrence came overy we used to take, as I recall. separate roll calls, and as a matter of fact I think on occasion a sponsor indicated that he would ask for concurrence in one amendment and non-concurrence in another amendment on occasion. Now, with the bills that we with the proposed amendments that we have'before us, thin definitely Amendment Number One is divisible from the rest of them. because we could as offered, adcpt Amendment Num- ber One and reject everything else and we would be concur- ring in Senate Amendment Number öne. I think your point miqht have validity as to two and thereafter, but as to senate Amendment Number one, that certainly is divisible as opposed to the amendmgnt that follow it-'' Han. W. Robert Blairz ''The gentleman from McHenry. Mr. Lihd- berg.'' reorge W . Lindberg : ''We1l, Mr. Speaker, I I would continue ' to contend that this question is not divisible. Al1 of these amendments relate to one basic issue, which is Amend- ment Number One and to ccnsider them separately would be would make absolutely no sense whatever and ah again I re- new my motion, Mr. Speaker, that we concur bin the Senate amendments to House Bill 3700.'' 3Yn. W . Robert Blair: ''The gentlem an from Cook , Mr. B. B . W7lfe .'' Rrlrnard B . Wolfe: ''Mr. speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of thq House, pursuant to joint rule 3 I would respectfully G E N E R A L A SSE M B LY '5TATE OF 1LLl e:oIS HousE:oF 1REeRe:s:2N'rATIv es ' ) move that a conference committee be appointed on House Bill 3700 .''' - Hon. W . Robert Blair: ''You're asking for a conference com- mittee under Rule 3? Under . . .'' Bernard B. Wolfe : ''In the last, it may be a little premature, I don't know . . .'' . , Hon . W . Robert Blair: HYeah, I think it is. Because the two Houses are not in disagreement at this point. and until the - are'their requ' est.for a conference comhiitee is not in order .'' Bernard B. Wolfe: ''Yeah. the sentence that I'm looking at . in that sentence says the motion for a committee of con- ference and the report of such committee shall be' in order at any timee meaning what? At any time. . .'' Hon. W . Robert'Blair: ''Where a're you reading that?'' ' Bernard B. Wolfe: ''I'm reading that on page in our rule book. ' it's rule number three, it 's on page ll7 of our rule book xe . under joint rules, it's next to the last sentence, the motion for the committee and the report shall be in order ' . . at any time. well, does that mean aE any time that we get a bill back thai's been that has pot been concurred in by the Senate or does itvmean, ah . .'.?'' . , Hon. W . Robert Blair: ''We1l. I think that that prob ably re- fers to order of business and as to when it would be in order and that's what the Chair's ruling will be-'' ' Bernard B. Wolfe: '1Well, then the point of order is that if we don't concur in these amendments, the bill goes back to kk q:tg);i r .. . i's:'.F'q4''0I' . . > G E N E R A L A SSE M B L Y ( to''' jb - '-. . yht! .'z-, c.. .... . sv.vsoeIuu1xoIs . .. . .. .. . . . .. ' 4j . ' -'* G i. $ . i. khe senate, is that correct?,, Hon. W . Robert Blair: HThey fll be a message sent to the Senat that the House failed to concur. Xnd ask for a conference ' committee to be appointed. For wHat puYpose does the gen- tleman from Lake, Mr. Pierce. rise?'' 1 Daniel M. Pierce: nAh. Mr. speaker, I only wanted io ask the gentleman frcm MeHenry, a question or two'about the amend- ments that we 're being asked to coneur in.'' Hon.'W. Robert Blair: ''Sure.'' Daniel M . Piercez ''Mr. Hon. . W . Robert Blair: ''Ah # the gentleman from McHenryy Mc- Henry, on the questions? Yes, he indicates herll yielde'' Daniel M . Pierce: ''Ah: Mr. Lindbrrg, under the amendaent, I have been reading through it quickly . What would a nop- salaried, but elecied schdol board Member or park'district . member in our communities be required to disclose? What are his obligations?'' George W . Lindberg : ''Ah, they would not be required to dis- close, which again is one of the deficiencies, I believe, in this bille but I think that that matter is overcome by the fact that it is nonetheless a signifieant significant advance over what we presently have on the statutes books . and while it is not as good as what we should be passing, we still have senate Bill 81 here which we continue to work on it. but I think it is extremely.important that we meet the deadline and get vast improvemqnt on what we do M ve on khe books now , down to the Governor.'' 2+c!k .'x .:z 'j;:- ésx.'è.,%tl,T.Z' xV j) GEN ERA L A SSEM BLY '5' rA. TEoF'1ku1:4oI s xJ'?/' ;.!;,' .''.. 7 sousE oF RrenEsEN'rA.T1vEs Daniel M . Pierce: 'll'm not sure those are elected officials do not have to disclose. Local government elected offic- ials who receive no salary.'' George W . Lindberg: ''Ah. maybe you'd better state it again o'' Daniel M . Pierce z 'll'm talking about elected school board members and park district commissioners., elected by the people. Are they required to disclose or not required to disclose under Senate Amendment Number One?'' George W. Lindberg: ''A1l right, 1et me just check here for a moment, ah ,. . .'' Daniel M. Piercez ''The reason I sLy this w'hile you're check- ing it is that school adminigtrators in my area have tele- graphed me that they're going to have trouble fihding board members, they're going to have trouble finding board mem- bers for these non-paid scho 'ol boards, because they are technically eleetede even though it's often caucus nomin- ation and I 'm.opposed, because businessmen will have to reveal all their assets and income to serve in the thankles task of an unpaid elected school board member, so I was hoping that these non-paid local gov' ernment officials who are elected like sehool board members and park ccmmission- ers, would not have to make full 'disclosure.'' George W. Lindberg: ''Ah, 1et me just check for a moment here, ah, it is my recollection that persons who are compensated less than $5,000.00 are not required io file any statements under this açt.'' Dahiel M. Pierce: 'All right, thank you: then. I would favor .' .. %(i(.'L7> 'f ' c.ks, G E N E R A L A S S E M B IaY ,''oo. '. (û* 4 : .k ,1 4. $,.7.u . 1t' k;tï svavsoe,uul soi s ' !:' ' . that provision because I think it's going to be vpry diffi- cult in our areas in the 'suburban areas in the school small school districts which is a thankless job to administey the e days; or to serve on the board, if we elect a member to the board, a woman, if we had disclosure, she'd have to disclos ' al1 her husbandIs income and assets and IId be éoustyul whether a professional man or business man would want his 41 ' . on a school ' wife to serve board if he had to reveal all .his . j i income and assets under the way the bill was originally !1 when . it came out of this House, so I would I would favor .! l 1 them not having t .omake fulldisclosureontheseunpaid 1 elected schoolboard and park commissioners officers.'' ,1 1 Hon . W . Robert Blair: 'IThe gentleman from Lawrence , Mr. Cun- t I . # ! ,, . ningham . Roscoe D. Cunningham: ''Wi1l the sponsor yield to questions?'' i I Hon. W . Robert Blair: 'He indicates that he wil1.' ' l l Roscoe o . cunn ingham : ' 'George, did understand you. correctly ' . in your -bpening statements to describe this bill as grossly dekective as passed by the senate with amendments?'' George W . Lindberg: ''Ah pardon? The last part?'' Roscoe D. Cunningham: HDid I undersiand you correctly in your opening statements to describe this bill as grossly defect- ive as passed by the senate with amendments?'' George W. Lindberg: ''Ah: relative, egerything is relative, Roscoe. This is a gross improvement over what is presently on the statute books, it is sadly deficient compared to ah the origxinal provisions of 3700. Nonetheless, we are ) ' . <--. :'s ia;is.ru% ' - ., , G EN E R A L A SSE M B L Y s':, ., yk ( -,:1 '. * ' smxx. :o 'e.1uu,so's HQUSE oF R EPRESEGTATIVE1 p. A near the deadline and it's my opinion that we should try to get some'thing to the Governor's depk, which is a big improv - ment over what we have now because we still have Senate Bil 81 here which we can help to improve a little bit and hope- fully get it out before the deadline.'' Roscoe D. Cunningham: HBut you did describe it as grossly defective, did yöu not?'' George W . Lindberg: ''I can't remember.'' Roscoe ' Cunninqham : t'Well, ahe are you familiar with 1302. did you check that bill that came over?'' George W . Lindberg: ''No: didn't say grossly defective, I said grossly deficient, deficient.'' Roscoe D. Cunninqham : HOkay, it's a question cf semanticq but I would ask you about Senate Bill 1362, have you checked that bill?'' George W- Lindbergz ''Ah, is that the bill sponsored by Sen- ator Partee?'' Roscoe o. cunningham r ''Yes-'' George W . Lindbergz ''What about it?'' Roscoe D. Cunningham: ''We1l. ah, what is your reaction to it as to whether or not it offers the proper vehicle for this expression of the will of the people to this House?'' George W . Lindberg: ''We11 I think any bill dealing with ethic is a vehicle for the expression of this House on the matter '' Roscoe D. cunningham: ''sira'' Geo'rge W. Lindberg: ''I think any bill dealing with ethics is a vehicle for the expression of this House on the matter > K**'@i.' . .. . çi.jyN u.-'q v. ?' 1V>-y G E N E R A L A SSE M B L Y -lr. j : :..., jy .,j A -,,-, . .... ) s' rA'rEoe't-ulNo's ' j of ethicsp'' Roscoe D. Cunningham: ''But Senate Bill 81 is also at a at a step procedurally beyond thâs step , is it not?'' George W . Lindbergz ''What?'' Roscoe D. Cunningham: ''Isn't this basically as it came back from the Senate the same as Senate Bill 81?'' Gecrge W. Lindberg r .'Ah# I don 't believe so, Roscoe. I 'm not ' sure jpst whdt happened in the Executive Committee on 81 as to amendments that were adopted there and will be con- sidered here on the floor.'' Roscoe D. Cunningham: '1Oh' all râght.'' . h ' Hon. W. Dbert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr . Berman-f' Arthur L. Bermant ''Ah, Mr. Speaker: i raise a point of order. I don't think the rules on my motion, I'd like to restate it and I 'd appreciate a ruling. Under Rule 68 I now move for a division of the question on amendment number one, ' ' senate Amendment Number One to House Bill 3700 .'' ' ' . Hon. W . Rob' ert Blair: ''We11. I understood that and ah ah so that we're clear' what I have ruled is that for purposes . of the discussion that 's going on here, that these amend- ' ments can a11 be considered as a package. Now, when we get to the point of consideration Df 'the matter as far as vot- ing is concerned, I will entertain a further matter at that time. but for purposes of having the discussion on the . floor, I've ruled that this is you knowg that this is a ' matter that can be considered as a package for purposes of debate. The gentleman from Cook: Mr. Bermanw'' ' .' 7 A:.. .. s%% . v'oz Kâ j ,,.. . ; . zo '> ' G ENERA L ASSEM BLY û'#11. . : 'r ? ? ' 7. ' ' h x . ë) ' .,, %t.,'*/ s eoe1uu,sol s-rxv. .p ., j.lyq jss oyraspsssp:sjxs,v.juEs .Rt. .. ' !w%* '' yzc. Arthur L . Berman: ''Ah. thank you, Mr. Speaker. May I direct a question to the sponscr of the bil1?'' Hon . W . Robert Blairz ''Sure# the gentleman from McHenry, Mr: Lindberg .'' Arthur L. Bermanz 'Ah, deorge. calling ycur attention to senate Amendment Number Twelve, as I read it it would ap- pear that any person who renders services to the General Assembly under our ccntractual expense account and they get . paid any amount would héve to file a disclosure form.'' George W. Lindbergz ''That 's correcta'' Arthur L. Bermanz ''So if they ah legislative aide or research person gets a $50.00 fee he would have to file a full dis- closure under this amendment, is that right?n George W. Lindbergz ''That's that's cor/ect. He would ' have to eonsider that when he decided to undertake work for the General Assembly-'' Arthur L. Berman: ''We1l, Mr. Speaker: if I may address myself to Amendment Number r/elve.'' Hon. W . Robert Blair: ''Sure. proceed.'' Arthur L. Berman : ''I think that this is one of the problems that we see by trying to take this as a package, I think this is a totally unreasonable imposition on people khat a11 of us have oecasion to use from time to time who do legislative research for us, who are legislative aides, secretarial work, if they're going todo $50.00 or $100.00 ' or even $500.00 worth of services for us during the year, on our voucher aeèounts, theyfre going to have to file a ....k' ,'w'g sy /'- a' >'h c EN E R A L A ssE M B t.v j tcV . ( , . . ' -.j q ,: . 5;, ., ; . y ' . ' . jj k' sTA. ' PE0FlK .LIh lO's '! whole disclosure form. I think that's totally unreasonable and totallk out of line with ' the intention of a proper dis- closure act if the amendments have to be taken as a package on that basis alone, I couldn't get anybody to do any work really for me if they have to file a full disclosure for $50:00 or $100.00 bucks worth of services, I think that we would be throwing the baby out with the bath water if we have to adopt Amendment Number Twelve along with this whole package. Ah, if it 's not divided. if it is divided, I'd certainly vote .No ' on Amendment Twelve and because of this unreasonableness, I'm thinking I'd have to vote 'No ' on the . whole package if it wasn't dfvided-'' Hon. W . Robert Blairt ''The gentleman from McHenry: Mr. Lind- berg .'' George W . Lindberg: 'dAh Mr. Speaker, I would like to make a correction . Earlier in response qto Representative Pierce's ' questionJ I indicated that senate Bill 81 itself had a $5,000.00 threshhold for government officials. As it turns out Amendment Number Eight includes all persons in local government regardless of the amount ot their compensation and I just wanted to . correct the record on that point-' Hon. W . Robert Blair: ''The gentlanah from Cook , Mr. Shea-'' Gerald W. Shea: ''George, does that mean that every school teacher, every person employed in every unit of local gov- ernment throughout this sèate will have to file such a economic disclosure? No. not until. Geokge W . Lindberg: ''Not until we start electing teachers. . ..v .;ygy,..g. '...q q,u /..0 y . % ..,) c E N E R A L A ss EM B Lv l , i:''lk . jyyjj ,Ivf,,.''.,t -' ..1 .. . .. . svxvsosjuj .j aojs ! Youfll notice on line l of Amendment Eight. it says an elected non-statewide publie office.'l Gerald shea: 'fveah, but then we get into z think it's ' eleeted or Amendment ah z see the diffetence here. George.'' George W. Lindbergz 'It's $20,000.00 or more than they would start filing.'' Hon. W. Rokert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Katz.''' - Harold A. Katz: ''Ah, Mr. Lindberg, as I rea; Senate Amendment Nllmher Eight, would cover not only local governmental officials in the sense of muniuipalities .and that sort of local governmente it would cover would it not park district , library boards, ah any kind of unit of government in which officials are elected by vote would be coverçd by the amend ment as I read Wculd you please tell me the reason why people who serve oh librpfy boards and in that kind of.body should be covered by this kind of stringent disclosure l4w and also would you please comment on what the effect you think A this may be willingness of citizens in Illinois to rds . or local park district be able to serve on library boa' boards. or even elected caucus members or any kind of local governmental body .'' Hon. W . Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from McHenry , Mr. Lind- berg .'' George W. Lindberg: ''Well# #r. Katz, as you kncw, you and I have extensive deliberations on thë problems that we might be creating in regard to citizen participation in local gpvernment as a result of Amendment Number Thirty-Two whieh ... . ,'os' t. yJT ;j>7; 'ç >t, z,ty G E N E R A L A gss sjj;(.v ' . twJ. gk .'.,rj.Ay, f4' .. . !j ? ..... .*''A'rE o '- 'uL'''o's sowss o.-aseaesexvav'vss Aj ' - 1 3. Representative Choate had on 3700. And you know that my basic posture is that we should encourage people rather tha discourage their participation in koca1 government. I do not personally ah ah feel that this amendment is a desirabl amendment, however. the fact is that the Governor does have the amendatory veto.power and thai prcvision can be removed from the bill and I think that that consideration outweighs ' any reason to further delay the enactment of a considerable improvement over what we have in existing law .'' Hon. W . Robert Blairz ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr . Katz.'' Harold A. Katz: ''Ah. responding to your comments, Mr. Lind- berg, you know that I just joined you and I voted against Amendment Thirty-Two. I do not see, however, how tha'be- cause you were against Amendment Number Thirty-Two. you would now follow a practice and procedure that would deny to the members of the House an opportunity to vote against that which you say you were against. I fail really to unde - stand how you who believe so strongly in the legislative branch of government would say that we should not have a ' right to vote out that which is bad and that in some way we should defer to the Exedutive Branch, who under the new constitution would have the powerenot only to do his wc+ but ours as well.'' Hon. W . Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Duff.'' Brian B. Duff: ''Mr. Speaker, I having heard some of these ques'tions, rise to suppo:t this motion. I think that some things have been overlooked here. For example, Amenment .* ....: .1A ..r' , ',Jj'::'X 1* J' y G YNERA L Ass EM Bt. y bQ-.'r.. .1 . f) Yg f' Vh-. .,ùj . c, ,, ...,. f .''**''' svxvsoe.uulaol s souss o e sseasssxvxvlvcs :1 . . . . . ;4 * . ,.. . Number six which takes the information required under Sec- tion 4-106 and says that it will be filed in a sealed en- velope. Now. tsere are a number of other amendments here which give integrity to this effort and I agree with the sponsor very much that while they are inadequacies in this bill after the many months that he and the other members of the committee, including myself, have spent trying to get some adequate piece of legislation, his motion is entirely appropriate at this timem'' . Hon. W . Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook , or Lake. Mr. Matijevich.'' ' . John S. Matijevich: ''Would the gentleman yield to a question?' Hon . W . Robert Blair: ''He indicates he wi1l.'' John S. Matijevich: ''Represlntative Lindberg: ah, you mention ed that the Governor by his .amendatory veto power could take out some of the bad that'you obviously feel that is contained in these amendments. Now . as a practical matter ' . becausevEhe'provisions of the bill do require that the dis- closure be made at the last day of filing for petitions. which would be December 20, as a praçtical matter, wouldn 't : ' the Governor sign whatever we give to him so that we do hav an ethics bill that would be in operation by the filing ' deadlines and therefore aren't we giking up our legislative prerogative in passing out a bill that we kncw and by your ' own words is deficient . and we say that ke can 't improve it ! . and as a practical matter the Governor won 't approve it either so it will be as it is amended and in our hands righ . :. y!&>. .. ' 'ta' k .e:A ' .40-, t: ' î..' y ' 'F7 st 1) . . G E N E R A L A SS EM B LY ': ls&: ., > .r' ek ' *..'' '..j .- ?) , ....&:' s xoj soe,uu, svxv. housE o F'IRe:eREse:>ITA. T1ve;s . '. ! ' J YOYZY*f' ceorge W. Lindberg: ''Ah, if the in my opinion, if the Gover- nor had that consideration for our intention, he may well. approve this bill even with the amendment that Representati e Katz is concerned about, and we wquld be back her'e of cours since we 're in continuous session or he may call us back for a special seksion, for a11 I know . and we could probabl amend this act if we find that there are hardships befng worked by it-'' : John S. Matijevichz 'Well, Mr. Speaker, in response, I would ; . ' only say that the Governor would have I believe 90 days to t t act and if we did come back we each Heuse would have 15 1 days to approve or disapprove of the Governor's amendatory ' ! 1J ' veto power and I would suggest that i think we're we're l 1 reallynottellingthetruthwhenwesaythattheGovernor would not sign this bill as we have it today -n Hon. W . Robert Blairr ''The gentleman from Cook , Mr. Simmons.'' Arthur E. Simmons: ''Mr. Speaker, I move the previous question '' Hon.W. Robert Blair: HWe1l, it's not deia 'table. The gentle man from Cock , Mr . Simmonso'' Arthur E . Simmons: . .across the aisle and if there are some people who felt my motion is shutting off debate, 1'11 withdraw it.u Hon. W . Robert Blair: ''We1l, I think that ah there 's been quite some action taken with regard to 3700 in the other ' body and I think that might be worthwhile to withdraw that motion. Ah, the gentleman from Cook, Mr. Barnes.'' ., ' , '. j'C' 7x'h G E N E ltA L A S SE M B LY r j . ; .). . .ç, - .' Xk .t zj svgvsoe.1uu,sloIs .' : Eugene M. Barnes: HAh # Mr. Speaker,vwould the sponsor yield to a question? Ahe George. as I read this on page'2 of Amendment Number One, page 2, Section D; employee of the Geniral Assembly who are paid $20.000.00 a year or more and it goes on to say about contractual services and other basi for $20,000.00 a year or more. Then Amendment Number Twelv as I understand it strikes thë $20,000.00 figure in b0th instances. Is this correct? George W.'Lindberg: ''Yes, it's obviously the senate's desire . . * that any person who renders services to the General Assem- b1y shall be required to make financial disclosure .'' Eugene M . Barnes : ''Now , 1et me ask you this question . Does this mean in essence if I hired a kid to do $50.00, $25.00 research Vork for me on some'project that this persop ah would have to file a disclosure ah would have to file under this act, or any person that would do any type of service for for uso'' George W . Lindberg: ''Well, yes, that is true. And of course we're putting pecple to that same ah requirement who get ' no compensation for their services. so I don 't think is unreasonable to require pe/sons who do get compensation no matter how small to meet the sam ' e requirements . '' Eugene M. Barnes: ''So that's down to $1.00, correct?' George W. Lindberg: 'Down to $1.00, is that what you said? YCS *'î Eugene M . Barnes: ''Okay.'' Hon. W . Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Peoria, Mr. Day.'' .. t,. ?ta; . .. .aqhq c s x E ItA L A s sEM B LY ;'G4 .: 1 r'N - % : ' J .' ) , ,'.t.j) à . k , . svxvsoe.Iuu1sso1s *'#R' .. =....? z'.....%+%*.' Housso! zIRseIRssuu' rA. r'vss l .- . . . l27. Robert G . Day: 'lWould the sponsor yield for a questionad ' . ' Hon. W. Robert Blair: $'He indicates he willq'' ' . Robert G. Dayz ''George, ah one thing that bothers me abo ut this bill is the requirements that the candidate must file a statement cf disclosure e of financial interest of his . wife, or spouse and minor children . Now. as I understand itk he is obliged to do that in order to b ' ecome eligible . as a candidate and also to become eligibl e to take his seat in the event he is elected. What happens in the case where the spouse or minor children refu se to consent to this? As I rêad the bille he would still have t o .go ahead and file ' to the best of his ability a statement .. of their financial ' interest. is that right?'' . ' George W . Lindbergz ''We11, .I'd be inclined to think that a writ of mandamus Would belie thè issùœ o accept his filing under the doctrine of impossibility. '. Robert G . Dayt ''In in in in other w ords, he he would have to file a l:w suii in order to be excused from filing the fin- ancial statement for his wife or mi nor childrena'' George W . Lindberg: ''Yes, I believe that that would be 'a rea - . sonable course of action. '' HOn W . Robert Blair: HT'he' gentleman'from Cock , Representa- tive B. B. Wolfe . '' ' Bernard B. Wolfe: ''Ah , thank you, Mr. Speaker. I felt like a lost step child for a moment. '' ' Hpn. W . Robert Blair: ''Dbn 't feel that wa ' y. Bernie.'' Bernard B. Wolfe: . ''Thank you . Ah, act in haste and repent in .z+hk'0;. ' /yik . g g'' )rr!!tyIt.' rj ; ;,( : ç ' ' ' . cs q ' . - kl ) ./ ' . t . , b1 t ; y, :1 f . o jgx E R A u A ssE M B LY s.x.*vs ofr$uu1bIo js .tkj . 4y n* . ..r... ' . ,,'. +s*'.' HotlsE o F acsssssaxgv1vcs .ç :!t' r'..' ' . zza. leisure is an old adage which is qprobably applicable to the situation for this House and reminds me of the old west when the necktie parties were out on t%e lynching and ah somebody in the crowd said what about a trial and they said after the necktie party is over wefll give the man a trial Now, ah I as ane member of the House don't intend to gèt involved in a hanging party be'cause everything that the chief sponsor has said about House Bill 3700 as amended as by thebsenate indicates to me that we should overwhelming vote not to concur in the senate amendments. Xnd looking over these amendments I don 't think the Senate intended thi House to concur. Now. writing bad legislation enacted the law might by scme be said tc be better than nc legislation at a11 and I would say that no legisl'ation at a1l is .better than House Bill 3700 as amended by the Senate. In the firs place it violates al1 of the constitutional guidelines, the requirements set up in a recent California Supreme Court case. thG amendments viclate intents of this body that spent four whole days in writing 3700 with some more than 33 amendments attached thereto. It was not given as I unde - stand it# a committee hearing in the Senate, but the bill was advanced to second reading without reference to a com- mittee. Now. we can in a matter as important as this, we can't get involved in the legislative process, that does no give due deliberation to the matter at hand and particularl - in a situation that is as important to this House and every state official whether he be elected or not in the State of ' z. y. y:i*.: .u '., ië<z 'v '4.-r; !)'A,,/. ' >%- y ' .t) c E N E R A L, -A,usu.sxoE,sMBLY svxveo. * . r.. ...,. :. .' Hot)Se:O F #RE!PRESC51TATp%;e5 l ' . 1 '- 7 ''''q '@'* Illinois, and I would respectfully ask thi: House not to . concur in the motion stated by Representative Lindberg in concurring with the amendments attached to this particular bill by the Senate. Each one of the amendments appears to be, we have Senate Bill 81 before this House and members of the.House have worked cn amendments on Senate Bill 81 a11 , that has been done here is to attach Senate Bill 81 in its original form to 3700 with about 8 or 9 or 10 amendments attached thereto . This is very bad legislative process and I wpuld respectfully ask the members to vote against con- . Currence .sl ' . Hon . W . Robert Blairz 'fThe gentleman from cook , Representa- tive Berman-'' . . Arthur L. Berman: l'Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I wbuld like to raise a point of order. . z'' . Hon . W . Robert Blairz ''State your pöint-'' A/thur L. Bermanz ''As to the consideration of Senate Amend- zA' . ment Number One when the Chair deems it timely . Now , I don't know whether you're going to take one first or the T whole péckage, so I merely want to advise the Chair'that I will make a yoint of order to the consideration of Senate Amendment Number Onevif you would like me to state the poin now, I'd be glad to o'' Hon . W . Rcbert Blair: ''At the appropriate time, Representa- ' ' tive Berman, the Chair will recognize 'you for your point-'' ' Xrthur L. Bemnan: HThank you.'' Hon . W . Robert Blair: 'fThank you. The gentleman from Madison '' vc l '. /:o1 . <3 !j,57 .: . ?pz' j'j GENEsRxxAvsLosA'uS ulS EsMBLY 'p-1.t.., elol . tt' k .s- ., F ' . lac. Representative Calvo.'' Horace L. Calvo: ''Mr. Speaker, would the sponsor yield for two short questions?'' Hon . W . Robert Blair: ''He indicates he will..' Horace L. Calvo: ''Ah # George, do I understand these Senate amendments to mean that my seat mate maybe here would have o , Q file his income tax return if this bill passed? As amended In other words every boy of the legislature, regardless of ' page or anybody would have tô filq a return, is that correc ?'' George W . Lipdberg : ''Ah, no there is no income tàx filing in connection with this billo'' Horace Calvoz ''They have to make a filing of their finan- cial interests, etca?'' ' George W. Lindberg: ''Yesp if they earnv if they're compèn- sated-'' Horace L. Calvo: ''Et .al.'' George W. Lindbergz 'Ei al.'' Horace L. Câlvo: ''A11 right, one other question considering the bill as now amended and all the amendments. I have a a young attorney who makes $1.200.00 a year as town as ' township attorney as one of the small townships ; . And ah this would preclude him by being employed by me as a leg- islative staff aidé, would it not?'' George W . Lindberg: ''Ah. I think that there's a question. 1 You 're referring to the double dipper provision that the senate restored, Senator Partee, I believe supported the motion to restore th double dipper provision in the bill. G EN E R A L A SSE M BL Y sTATE OF 1t.LIhlC:IS HotlsE <>F F'EPF'EsEhlYA.T1%/E% . lal. Now, as I read it ah it would not relate to persons who have a relationship of independent contractor to a ah agenc of local government. It would be salaried positions in my opinionm'' Horace L. calvo: ''Well,'are we saying that a township attor- ney is not in other words, he would be considered an ihdep- endent contractor? Or is it or is it the aide to me would be an independent contractor of the legislature?'' George W . L indberg : 'tzf he if he is a salaried employee hold- ing a formal position as such then he would bé embraced in Amendment Number T-o, Section 2-104. but on a retainer. an independent contractor basis, it fs my interpretation, I believe that is correct, that he would not be prohibited from holding another position.'' Horace L. calvo: HThank you .'' Hon. W . Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook , Representa- tive Yourell.'' Harry Youkell: ''Would the gentleman yield to a question?'' Hon. W . Robert Blair: ''He indicates he wil1.'' Harry Yourell: ''George, under the Senate Mersion of the bill that was sent out of this House, which, of course, nobody recognized at khis point, the question that concerns me is a matker Y compensation. Now, I understand thR b the news- media of this state has provided that with facilitiese. .' Hon. W . Robert Blair: ''Representative Granata. for what pur- pose do you rise, sira'' . Peter C. Granata: ''Do we have a liktle bit of order on th is '..c?,û7'777X'h G E N E R A L A SS EM B LY ; * i /jt:'. :. ' ). ;, : à -k( )h U j; ' STXYE O F 1LLINO1l * s, ) 1L-J '.,.*.' go vsc og ntpncssag'aT'lvEs e . . 132. I can't hear whatds going on.'' non. W . Robert Blairz HYese you may, sir.'' Harry Yourell: ''I .understand that many of the provisions of this revised version of House Bill 3700 includes certain forms of compensation. Now , my question is to you is the . news media in the State of Illinois is provided with cer- tain facilities in this capitol building and other areas and they cost the state a considerab le amount of money eveq year to maintain those facilities and I'm wondering under 'l . the provisions of the compensaticn has defined in this bill ' l wheEher they are .then liable for disclosurez'' * George W. Lindberg: ''Ah, I doubt very much whether the word 'compensation ', Representative Yourèll, would be construed by court. Certainly it doesn 't by the spcnsor, it isn 't ' 1 by the spcnsor so construed to include accommodations of I ' l which you're speaking.' !1 Hon.W.RobertBlairn 1,ThegentlemanfromSt.Cyazr.Repres- I j 1 entativ& Krause-'' . aames G. Krausez ''Will the sponsor yield to a question?'' l I Hon. W . Robert Blair: ''He indicates that he will.'' ' i I James G. Krause: ''George, under this double dipper, this is I l 1 Amendment Nukber Two, ' section 2-104 . You kncw, historicall . . it's been down with the history of the State of Tllinois I that the township supervisor has always been a member of j . l I thecounty board. Now,with the reappo .rtionment,the Attorney General has 'ruled that the township supervisor can i be a menber of the county board and elected to b0th offices l zeeF' e ' -. a -> t'. ,u' G E N E R A L A SSE M B L Y $ mA ' .' .' .k . .I ,1 ' svA, v' soj r1uuIp1o1s z ##OUSE C'F REPRESENTATIVES . S. ' 133. d. .. Now. what does this do here in this section 2-104 in regard to the township supervisor in his serving also as a member elected to the county board of supervisors?'f George W. Lindberg: ''Ah. just one minute. Jim, 1'11 tell you and check it out. I think the answer is that under the pro vision known as dual employment, to which you ard referring and specifically the last clause: he would, such persons ' would probably be prohibited from holding b0th offices.'' James G. Krause: HAl1 right, then. . .'' George W. Lindberg: ''Or 1et me put it this way, Jim. at least yes, from hcv ing..that 's right. I was going to say that he could probably be salaried for one and not the othery but it does say that he shall not hold two offices.'' James G. Krause: ''Well, then, George, what what we would really be doing if we accepted this amendment as it now stands is that we would be breaking with the precedent-that has been handed down throughout the history of the State of Illinois: Is that a true statement? With. . .'' George W . Lindberg: ''Jim, with with m is legislation, we 're breaking with a lot of pfecedencesk u- Hon . W . Robert Blair: nThe gentleman from Champaign: Repres- entative Hirschfeld.'' John C. Hirschfeldz .'Mr. Speaker, I move the previous ques- tion.'' Hon. W . Robert Blair : HI have a motion tp move the previous questione is not debatable. Representative, the gentle- man indicates 'that he'll withdraw that motion. Now, is .l' KA Ar ' '. . 1.%N. /''J..-;i2- ,hT-re'. G E N E R A L A S SEM B LY 2YF?'r.'-' ii .tùî ) J , s' rl' rErov'IuulNo1s * z'. =.. . ' ,,., . .,. . .%. Ho use or RE:eacscN'rA.'rIvcs %-, there further discussion? The gentleman from Cook , Repres- entative McGah -'' . Joseph P. McGah : ''Ahe Mr. Speaker, will the sponsor yield for ' a couple of questions?'' Hon. W . Robert Blair: ''He indicates he will. t' Joseph P. McGah: ''Ah, Mr. Lindberg. directing your atbention to Amendment Nulber Two. Article II. Restricted Activities. it occurs to me, I'm not talking about an attorney or an accountant that's a member of the legislature : but how abou the attorney or the accountant that's in private practice an& the lawyer , say represents three or four different mun- icipalities as a Village Attorney. Wouldn 't that be pro- hibited under this section?'' George W . Lindberg: ''Well, aé I responded earlier, it'p my interpretation that if he is nct on a retainer bagis: he is in the nature of an independent contractor and would n'ot be considered holding a position as such. That's my opinio .'' Joseph P. McGahz M' ' 'I think in ' cases it would hold otherwise . Ah: yeah, how about the the situation in a village where the village president or mayor, in addition to being the mayor or the village presideht is'also Liquor Commissioner of the community?'' George W . Lindberg : ''Now. as I understand most of those or- dinances, Representativé McGah, he is the Liquor Commission er by virtue of his office as Mayor m n Joseph P. McGahz ''Ah. . George W . Lindberg : ''Speèifically spelled out by state law o '' z'' . L'. #j-rlwef-j G E N E R A L A SSE 51B L Y ..'tNfkr . .,. j y .tz*p .s('J.j.!j *.= , s'rA.'rs os,juujojo1s' :. No tlst 1F IREeRESENTA. V* :2'** ....: '* T1VCS Joseph P. McGah : 'fln other words, you don't think that there ' any problem in this area'at al1. '' Hon. W . Robert Blair: Hls is is therè further discussion. Representative McGah? The gentlehan from Grundy, Repres- ehtative Washburn-'f James R. Washburn: ''Ah # one qu' estion, Mr. Speaker .'' Hon. W . Robart Blairz ''The gentleman indicates he 'll yield.'' James R. Washburn: ''George, are those persons salaried or otherwise, the legislature appointed, have any authority in determining land use, are they covered under this bill RCW? 1' George W. Lindberg: ''Ah # Bud, that is one of the deficiencies of the proposal, ah, but they are not covered based on what the senate has done . Again, as I told you, I think thgt they should be, but'I think the merits of getting 'ah a Vuch stronger ethics bill than we presently have on the books and the fact that we 're running near a deadline qnd the fac that we'iave Senate Bill 81 still here, ah it makes it worthwhile passing this bill an(j getting it down.to the Governor.'' Jazes R. Washburn: ''But they are nok covered.' George W. Lindbergr ''They are not covered .'' Hon. W . Robert Blair: ''The gentleman frcm Cook . Representa- tive Mann.'' Robert E. Mann: ''George, ah, with all'due respect, George, youdre nct making much sense, when you indicate that ae you don 't like the bill, b, we still have Senate Bill 8l, .lx%'''k iT:z1 F-..:) j: t-7.pze r' .y c sxERA j. A s s E M B 1.v ç'fg, .4..'i. 'L,!) 3 sv..so '..Iuu,, qo,s ; j' @jC:. ,.,''* '' *7.' @' . d. + HOtlGE.oF REPRCSENTA.TlMES k ' ' ) 136. but c. we ought to get the this bill down to the Governor for his signature. Now. le% me say just one other thing. George, we're going to have an ethics bill, but wouldn't it make a little more sense for us to try to find out what we're goinq to do with some of these other measures because remember if the House doesn't concur, youfre entrusting your ethics bill to a conference committee, and ah, I don't see ah ah I don't see how you can ask us to vote for a bill which you say is grossly inadequate, get it down to the Gcvernor while we 're waiting for Senate Bill 81..1 George W . Lindbergz' ''Well, my answer to that is that it 's been demonstrated time and time again that Representative Mann. that b0th bodies of the legislature are in substantia disagreement on any specific ethics proposal taken one Point at 4 time and for that reason my point is that we . have if you wish a half of a loaf; which is Metter than no . lobaf at a11 and pass it with out present ethics law . The wA . ' fact is that we do have in this package the anti-dual emplo - ment provision, which I think is. which I personally think . is a significant advance. That ah happens to be my'per- sonal opinion- 'Now, I 'm not demanding that everybody con- cur or not concur. I'm moving for concurrence, because I am satisfied that ah this is a sigdficant step forward and ah and better than not having any bill at all. I don 't know what's going to happen to Senate 'Bill 81, I don 't ' . know. but I dc know that we have this bill, this bill has . been through b0th of these bodies, it 's had hours and hours ... . j'L% h kc b ivlj%>, . V) , GENER A'rELoFA1t.S SE51BLY .j *ç: .,I LX .'*t I s' rA. u1NoIs :. . 11O tl5E 0F GEPRESEblTAT1VE5 ,. ' ya7 otr debate and this is what's come out of and so I would suggest that we do concur.'' %LyJrt E. Mann: ''Uell, ah. Mr. w Robert Blair: ''Proceed.'' y'ert E . Mann: ''Thank youe Mr. Speaker. Well, George. I think in view of what you have said, a much more sensible course of action would be to hold this thing here until you see exactly wkat Senate Bill 81 looked like and then you will have an opportunity to chcose between the two of them and I think that it would get some assurance from this Hous that one of them will pass, but let's determine which is the best one.'' :eorge W . Lindberg: ''Ah, Representative Mann, I wish that I had the confidence that yùu do as to what the balance of this week is going to be like. We had a motion yesterday to adjourn that some members considered rather spontaneous and I'm afraid that that could happen in this session and . ...y' . for that reason I think we should run with what we've got here and use the balances of the week. or whatever is left of it to try to engraft some of the provisions of 37ö0 on ' to senate Bill 81 and ah you know work on that vehicle, but in the meantime, let's fock this pne up.' Robert E Mann: ''Well, I would just say ' this. I'm sure ah if the leadership of this House asked the Speaker for some assurances that this bill.would be call' ed after wefve had an opportunity to look at senate Bill 81, I for one would Certainly trust the speaker to insure that we had another G E N E R A L A SSE M B L Y ' STA.T1:o F Iuu1:4oIs *1ousE QF IREPREsE::1'rA' r1N/Es # xA 138. opportunity to vote on ethics bill, but I still feel. Mr. speaker and Members of the House. that we might be better off if we had dn opportunity to look at b0th bills before we precipitously send one down to the Govèrnor for his 'signature.'' %x. orge W . Lindberg: ''Mr. Speaker. l(on. W . Robert Blair: 'lpor what purpose dces the gentleman from McHenry' , Mr. Lindberg, rise?'' ceorge W . Lindberg: ''Ah# Mr. Speaker, I'p persuaded by some of the questions that have been raised here ah obviously not a1l the members have had the opportunity to analyze what is admittedly a very copplex Senate Bill 81 which is now in the form of 3700, so with leave of the House , would like to take this bill out of the record at the present time.'' ll on. W. Robert Blair: 'Is there'objection? Choate objects. Al1 right, we 'll take it out of the record over night and the gentleman from cook, Mr. Hyde-'' ' Henry J. Hyde: ''Mr. Mr. Speaker, ah, I'd like to move that this House stand in recess for 30 minutes for purpoées of a Repub lican cosference in Room 212. W ill the Republicans please report tc 212 imlediately for 30 minutes- '' flon. W . Robert Blair: ''A11 right, ah, w 'e'll be back on the floor at 5:15 P . M. and ah it is the thought of th e Chair that unless we get involvpd in a lot of difficulty when we ' eome back on the floor, that we should not be here too awfully long 6nce we come back on tonight. All right, we'l G E N E R A L A SSE M B L Y sTA.T'E oF 1k.uIhlo1S Ht;klSE QF REP1PErSE:4T'A'rIV EE1 .- . zaq. .zcess now until a quarter after fiveo '; :t ess Ak 4:40 O'Clock P.M. L1 otO Aï 5:15 O'Clock P.M. .u HAl1 who are not entitled to the H'ouse chdmber lrkeeper: , willyou please retire.'' .n. W. Robert Blairz ''Resolutions. Agreed resolutions.'' t credric B. Selckez ''House Resolution 459, Mann. et.al. Mann . House Resolution 460, Mann . House Resolution 461. Ron Hoffman. House Resolution 462, .Tuerk . House Resolution 463, Mccormick. ek.al. House Resolution 464, M . K . Ander- son, etwal. House Resolution 465. Laurino, et-al. House Resolution 466, Corbett. House Resolution 467. Pappas, et.al. House Resolution 470' Gene Hoffman, et.al. . Hopse Resolution 471# Moore, et-al. House Resalution 472 # Stdne, et.al. House Resolution 473, Bluthardt, et .al. House Re- solutioh'474, O'Brien. Okay, a1l right-'' Hon. W. Roberk Blairz ''The gentleman from Cook, M<. Hyde, on agreed resolutions.'' Ffenry J. Hyde: ''Wel1, Mr. Speakerz the agreed resolutions, 459 commends Sybille Fritzsche for her coptributions as an attorney. 460 congratulates Keith A . Mann on his recent election as Mayor of Stephen Decatur Elementary School. I believ'd he is the nephew of our distinguished gentleman from Hyde Park, Robert Mann. Resalution 46l is a happy birthday resolution t'o our ta'll and highly popular coll- G E N E R A 'L A S S E 51B L Y STAT'E OF ILLINO IG ' . , . y4c eague from the 14th District: the Honorable J:cob .lohn wo.lf who is very recently 42 years old, so we wish h1m a happy birthday to Jake Wolf. Ah, I suppose fairness ' very dictates that I read this one. 'Wherea' s, our tall and highly popular colleague from the 14th District, the Honor- able Jacob John Wolf celebrated his 42nd birthday on Oct- ober 3l. 19717 and Whereas, Mr. Wolf has,'for 3 terms, con- sistently served Illinois and each of his constituents : '1 with distinction and direction. always bringing honor to i . .l this body, he is vice-chairman of the committee on Trans- l I 1l .portation and he knows intimately the problems of mass -1 l transit. he also serves on the Executive Committee and the ' committee on Financial Institutions; ' and Wherëas, Me is a j 1 Chicagoan by birth, he received his education from perp- i .l ' . .. chial schools and Lasallp àxtension'university in'chicago; $ ! and Whereas, the United States Navy cited his exemplary J . j .and courageous conduct in the Korean Conflict, h.e was nom- inated ,Rfor the American Spirit Award, to the pride of each citizen of Chicago .and Illinois; and Whereas. His marriage to Donna Jean Collins extending over a period of almost.2 decades 'with the wind at their back ' continues to be bless ed, they have a wonderful daughter; and Whereas, In addit- . ion to serving in the General Assembly, the very versatile Representative Wolf continues to play a prominent role in voluntary organizations and vital . divic affairs, he is an officer and member of the 40th Ward' Republican Organization . . hq is also a member of the Ameriean Legion Post No. 124, j ' a,e--r..... . ' *7 .j/'j ' *TA'TE.OF 'uL,N0'* $n . ;*e'. *... - ,, ! . 141. North West Citizens Commitkee, Kiwanis; Hoiy Name.society, Fnights of Columbus, Norih River Commission. Chicago Cit- izens Radio League (past president), and he has been active ' in the Gabriel Richard Leadershipk the qzaak Walton League and the Executive Council of the Boy Scouts of America; therefore, be it Resolved, By the House of Representatives of the Seventy-seventh General Assembly of the State of Illinois, that we heartily congratulate ou'r colleague and friend, the Honorable J. Wolf. on the occasion of his 42nd birthday and wish him many more years of success and happiness; and, .be it further Resolved, that a suitable copy of this preamble and resolution be presented to our colleague, Representative Jacob John Wolf.' House Resol- ution 462 resolves that we have shorter birthday resolption e Mr. speaker. I'm :orry,. i' t doesn't' . It extends our apgrec a- . tion for the planning and administration that has madé Peoria a place the Peoria Pleasure Driveway and Park Dis- trict outstanding in the nation . House Resolution 463 congratulates Mrs. Nora Lee Price on her election to the high office of President of the Rebekah State Assembly. House Resolution 464 is a death resolution in memory of Monroe 'Mac' McDowell of Dixonf Illinois. House Resolution . 467 is a memorial to Ben Potter, editor and publisher of 'The Argus'. House Resolution 465. Mr. Speaker, if I may. 'Whereas. The leprechauns have gatxered on the green to dance in a ring and click their heçls over the joy of our esteemed colleague, the Honorable Thcmas J. Hanahan, Jrw . :. 'zk''.gj .. . .. j ,j.. ' 'L .olttk j1 - ) n.. . j :;v p > JQ .(j 4/ .''. ê N1.. .R GENE 1BLY :IS5 :4çE L1S 'ç>FAILS A.TEL STA *, o.s.k. . ' Hoesc or pereecsr-T'A.T'lvz:s 142 one of our proud sons of Erin, whb celebrates his 37th birkhday November l0. 1971) and Whereas, Our most respect- ed colleague brings to this body an appreciation of all the finer things of life, a dram or two of good Irish whis- key on a cold day, and a dish he has erstwhile come to know and lovee spagietti and meat sauee with a touch of Parmesan ; and Whereas, This young Irish rogue frcm the 33rd district ranks first in our hearts whpn we consider al1 the . Sons of Erin who have màde their impression on the legis- lative landscape of our great State Illinois for we 'remem- ber' none more radiant with Irish Charm and good nature thm Thomas Hanahan ; and Whereas, This body is cognizant of his many'legislative achievements, his civic and fraternal associations and his union affiliatibns. he is a hard work- ing. ipdustrious, steady contributor to the progress made in this body; and Whereas, If he is chagrined at turning 37 we wish to remind him that Notre Dame is having a magnifi- A cent year and is more than certain of a bowl bid ; therefore be it Resolved, By the House of Representatives of the seventy-seventh General Assembly of the .state of Illinois, that we congrakulate our highly respected colleague, the Honorable Thomas J. Hanahan, Jr/, on the eelebration of his 37th birthday ; and that we wish him well and that he will be celebrating his birthday for many years to come in this body; and that a suitable copy of this preamble and resolution be forwarded to the Honorable Thomas J. Hanahan. Jr.' Ah. Mr. Speaker. House Resolution 466 commends the .. :7'''ik .z'' .. 'a( l . z,'q /,o.,. #ë g ., t 'lL'>bYî GENERAL ASSEM BLY : / $Ayz:.'.rnp . ..k . , .2 .ù ..J r.,j.,j .' aousso. sv . p. s, a. ss v n. su su sI ws vo s, s v,vss 143. Pittsfield High Sçhoole it's Principal, Coach and the sayer for their 53rd consecutive football win. House Resolution 470 commends Gerald Weeks for an outstanding performance as Chairman of the Dupage County Board. House Resolution 47l congratulates the University of Illinois track team for its fine performances. House Resolution 472 commends Mr. R. A . stipes for his distinguished service to higher education ' in the state of Illinois and House Resolution 473 commends the àthletes of East Leyden High School football team for an undefeated season. I now move adoption. Mr. Speaker, of the agreed resoluticns.'' Hon . W . Robert Blair: ''A11 right, al1 those in favor of the adoption of the agreed resolutions list say 'Yeas'# the opposed *#0% the 'Yeas' have it and Ahe agreed resolutions list is adopted. Purther? The gentleman from Cook: Mr. Hyde''' Henry J. Hyde: d'Mr. Speaker, ah, this item of business so it might not gçt lost . At least not on my desk . The follow- ing Senate Bills have passed out of committee and I would ' move that they be advanced to the order of second reading, second legislative day. I refer to Senate Bills 1284, 1286 1287, 1299, 1301, 1281 and 1282.'. HOn.W. Robert Blair: ''Is there objection? All right, the rules will be suspended so that we can have those bills appear on second reading, second legislative day tomorrow . ' Further resolutionsa'' Fredric B. selcke: ''House Resolution 474, O 'Brien. George. .'x %%. ... ,'o . jj : . ,& <X g G ENERA t, ASSEM BLY i j1 , -fto-: .. : ,. r '- ,.h*/e .lh , : :. )A', ', ... ... rzk..l..vw. s svxvsos,uulao. souss o s sseacs.:av.v.1vss 144. House Joint Resolution 105, Meyer'e et .al.'' Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Meyero'' J. Theodore Meyer: ''Mr. Speaker, I move for the to suspend. the appropriate provisions of Section 53a for the immediate considerabon and ado/tion of House Joint Resolution 105.' Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Is there objection? No. A1l right, there has been objection, so unanimous consent has not been given.'' . J. Theodore Meyer: ''Would the Clerk please read the resol- ution.'' Hon. W . Robert Blair: ''All right, the Clerk will read the resolution-'' Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Joint Resolution 105. Meyer, et .al. 'Whereas, prominent members of this 'General Assembly of the state of Illinois have sought to compel the State of 111- inois by statute to make extraordinary appropriations and transfer of funds to be used by the Cook County Department of Public Aid and the Chicago Board of Education; and Where as, the City of Chicago and particularly its mayor, the Honorable Richard J . Daley, have long promulgated the motto '1 will' as the essence of the spirit of that great city; and Whereas, the State of Illinois shall, during the course of fiscal year 1971, provide more than $120,000,000 to the City of Chicago and more than $30,000,000 to the County of Cook from the sales tax t the income tax and the motor fuel ' tax ; and Whereasy 50th the City of Chicago and the County of Cook have been granted unprecedented home rule powers zxyNkkyggz ' .. i...'.,... ' . got: r1g ) jX.> ' , ..: x' r eX jq GEN Es Rva A L ASSEM BLY P;'y y y . ..; '' T.''./ vsosjuujsojs , ' ! under our new constitution; and Whereas, these aforemention ed funds combined with the new home rule powers provide the city of Chicago and the County of Cook with ample resources to solve the problems confronting the Cook County Departmen of Public Aid and the Chicago Board of Education provided of course that these resources are used in the spirit of the motto '1 will'; be it therefore Resalved, by the House of Representaiives of the 77th General Assembly of the Stat of Illinois the Senate concurring herein, that we urge the Mayor of Chicago and the President of the County Board to abandcn the receht uncharacteristic 'Yo'u will' attitude taken by them in legislation proposed to this General Assem bly ; and be it further Resolved, that we urge these same leaders to return to the 11 will' spirit which has made the City Qf Chicago and the County of Cook great so tM t they may solve the problems now confronting b0th of these . communitiies by using their own very considerable resources ''' ' xe ' Hon. W . Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Coak, Mr. Meyer.'' J. Theodore Meyerz ''I renew my motion, Mr. Speaker.'' . HOn.W . Robert Blair: ''A11 right, the what purpose does the gentleman from 'cock, Mr. Harold Washingtony. rise?'' Harold Washington: ''A parliamentary inquiry, Mr. Speaker.'' Hon. W . Robert Blair: ''What's your inquiry?'' Harold Washington: l'Is this motion debatable?'' ' Hon. W . Robert Blair: ''No,'it's not. Ahd no debate 's been ' . made with regard to it. A1l right, the question is on the . suspension of the rules. Of Rule 53a. All those in favor eu/' bsq?>' -$ h s f' G E N E R A L A SS E' M B LY ' ' . .'. ë*jtxp.l' .. .. , )) ..:x ,zk(' 2j .....3 !;,rj,k.r.1: ç:jfr ,uu,j..,(:j,,;.. HotlSErOF REPF#CSE-TATIVCS . :. . . . : . '' '. . : ' ) (.c:.2-;:.y,.,.. ' 6f the suspension of the rule will vùte 'Yeas' and those o/posed will vote 'NO'. and now this takes 89 vdtes or two-thirds of those votinq on the issue.'t Harold Washington: oformulated, discussed and presented to this body. And presumably b0th parties pddressed them- selves to a viable solution to the welfare crisis. The great Republican elephant .strained and st' rained with the welfare crisis and they 've come up with this map . It's an insult to common sense. It seems to me that the opportunit for the two parties to resolve this question was presented . yesterday. I w6uld go along with this little innocuous amendment or rather resolution if the party on the other side of the aisle would juAt show a litkle bit of faith and if the speaker of this House. Mr- Speaker, and Vf thq Speaker of this House would determine Section Rule 38 and ' as he has interpreted it in the past and rule that there ' is a demonstrable emergency and nc one could possibly deny it. And take House Bills 753 through -57, bypass committee and place them on the order of second reading so that we could have a full fledged meaningful debate over the ques- tion of diversion of funds, not only on the state level. but also on the state cn the county level, but to take this silly little amendment ,and to present it to the hungry people'of the State, Cook County and downstate as vell. as an asset to the problem seems to me to be the height of insanity. Nothing is going to be gained by this. I still hope that you don 't think that the press is sc stupid that ..:4 1*. :-J J<> î ;-d7c e> 'e. - r > G ENERA L ASSE51BLY 1yg.k' j,,-. 'i. j .k ? jj .svxvç rosjuuI xo, s .11 = .. ' G . ' khey will say that the Republican Party has come up with a solution to the welfare crisis, that they conclude by im- posing with a parliamentary inquiry, which I assume that the Chaxr will not answer at this time, and the inquiry is this. Mr. Speaker. do you have it within vyour power to rule on Rule 38, the demonstrable eznergency section, ànd if you have that power, will you' n tle that House Bill 3753 through -57 address themselves to the demonstrable emergenc and if you so rule will. you pleaye advance those bills to the order of second reading.'' Hon. W . Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook , Mr. Meyer.'' J. Theodore Meyer: ''Just a point of inquiry . Is his point of inquiry germane to House Bill. . .'' Hon. W . Robert Blair: ''If it were, I'd address myself to it.'' J. Theodore Meyer: ''oh , thank you, Mr. Speaker-'' Hon. W . Robert Blair: ''Have all voted who wished? The gen- tleman from Cook. Mr. Meyer.'' J. Theodofé Meyer: 'Briefly in explaining my vote, Mr. speak- er. I have for the last several weeks listened to and attended meetings as have most of the members of this body . We 've read about, we've heard about the two pressing crisès that face the particular the residents of the City of Chic- ago, of whom I attended represent as well as any other mem- ber of this body . But, Mr. Speaker, to me it seems to be quite ludicrous that every time khe City of Chicago runs . into a financial problem, that they would come to go to another unit of government, specifically the State of 111- * . l'C?k 4 :. 1L 7 ''zN X. G ENERA L ASSEM BLY '. 'ùz .<.f ,.kt) : #J.r.....: ., svxveos'uu, -o's ?. , .%+ ... yjo uss oe asvjpsscsvAvjvcs ' 148. the federal government 6o look for their money. only cite you two examples. The City of Chicago has !h. ff a portion . of the Department of Aeronautics on the Education by not charging fair rent on the airport 41pscantial portion of the reported Board of Education ( ' is for health services for the'children. This is a /. . . tzëpal function, Mr. Speaker, but yet the citizens of th Illinois are asked to contribute towards a munici- function. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.'' Robert Blairz ''Have a11 voted who wished? The gen- from Cooky Mr. Barnes.'' M. Barnes: ''Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. have aad listened in the last few days concerning the respon that Fe have as the legislature to the people of tiLate of Illinois. I 've read many comments, I've rpad article.. stating what éhould not have been done by f:.tms people at various levels of government. I a'lso read and I listened intentively a few weeks back when '' . 'Tenior senator from this state stated in a public form his proposed propos'al at the federal level to relieve Problem and take it out of the hands of the State . (.O an article thët appeared' in today 's Tribune con- that very same thing and it'seem that that very Senior senator from this state has yet to file that ' 'tation in the federgl government.. '1 also refer to an te t appeared' also in today's Tribune that states attopney# a special Assistant Attorney for the stat G E N E R A L A SSE M B L Y STATC:OF lLLIaO1S HotlsE o F REPRESEaTATIVES stated also that part of the reason for the problem that is existing is not enough money incorporated from the Gen- ' eral Assemb 1y fo'r a1l the welfare recipients. Now , this attorney as I understand from this article is working for khe state and this is a statement that he made just yester- day to the courts concerning this matter. Now. apparently there is a lack of communication somewhere. don't know whether that lack . .'' Hon. W. Robert Blairr ''Bring you: remarks to a elose.'' Eugene M . Barnes: .is at the Executive Level or in the General Assemhl Y,'but I think that proposals of the type that have been presented before us to really not address itself to the emergency problem thak is at stake in our state, it's really sometAing for the world to behold. I believe that the people in this state will not be fooled and I think that it is imporvant for the people here voting . qreben on this to rèalize that fact-'' HOn.W . Robért Blair: ''Have al1 voted who wished? The gen- . kleman from Macon, Mr. Borchers-'' Webber Borchers: ''Mr. Speaker, Fellow Members of the House. I'm not going to give you the figures this time. I've give you enough of them and ihey're a1.l right to the point . I 'm just telling you the people in my part of the country are sick and tired and no longer desire to have their money always to go and to help rhicago out of 'their inefficiency and their delimma. Now. you eve got Ehe money up there, you can qet it. do it.'' pd '.tc&î. çi z' '.4t p.. . ... ' ' . v > t, cEx ERAt. A ssEM 1)L,v (/s , . i b k: :. c,j. !J F!,j) .u - . svavso.-'uu,-o,s hN.''j%v 'y','r.' .'.. sowsco'gaeeaussejvxv1vcs è . 150. Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Ewe1l.'' ' Raymond W . Ewell: ''Mr. Speaker, I think what we're doing here is a mockery of.our system. We well know that the city of chicago is not the paramoun't authority in the State. We lre kicking the problem back down instead of trying to move it up to higher levels where it can be handled. We al1 know tha't the money that comes to this legislature. a great deal ' ' of it comes from the City of chicago - Nowe if the legis- lature is willing to say we'll give al1 the income tax to the city of Chicago collects. all of tie personal property tax 'and all of the motor fuel tax and al1 of the other taxes to the city of chicago . then perhaps the City of ' Chicago would indeed solve its probiems. Mr. Sppaker. I suggest to you that the City of Chicago has carried this state and this legislature on its back for many a year and I suggest to you that the problems do not arise in the city of Chicago, they arise in every province in thM ' state they ar#se in every province outside the state and for this legislature to now decide by hvpocrigy Lhat the Cit y of Uhicago is responsible for the entire problems it is sheer , ' ' . hypocrisy and we ought to be ashamed of ourselves.'' Hon. W . Robert Blairz HThe.Clerk will take the record. On this. . ofor what purpose does the gdntteman from Cook , Mr. # . Gerald W. shea: ''Request a verification of the roll ca11.'' Hon' . W. Robert Blairz ''Xl1 right: the roll call now stands at 89 'Yeas ' and 77 'Nays', and the Clerk will verify the .' Lkh)7. ''>;'%. :en. # t':m '$A G EN E R A L A SSE M B 1 û' I;jn e ' nv t . ' ï t:. ' j 7 jj ., - Y $)x.I , ) t' ,.. . t'.. 9 . y) !t',-, t .. ' . .. sv.ve . s lwuj,qoSs uoussoeaseasscxvlvl vss '! ' o $ . affirmative.'' Fredric B. Selckez ''Andersène Bartulis, Blades, Btuthardt. Borchers, Brenne, Burditt, Campbell, Capuzi, clabaughe Philip Collins, Conolly. Cox. L. Cunningham, R. Cunningham, W. Cunningham, Day. Duff, Dyer, Epton, Fleck , Friedland, Gardner, Gibbs, Glass, drahàm, Granata, Hall. Harpstrite, Henss, Hirschfeld# Gene Hoffman, Ron Hoffman, Houde, Hudson Hunsicker, Hyde, Jones. Juckett. Kahoun , Karmazyn, Kipley, Kleine. Klosak , Lauterbach, Lehman, Lindberg, Ed Madigan, McAvoy, Mccormick, McDevitt, McMaster, Meyer, Kenny Miller, Peter Miller, Mgcre, Murphy, Neff, North. . Hon. W . Robert Blair: ''For what purpose does the gentleman from Cook, Mr. Meyer, rise?'' J. Theodore Meyer: d'Ah, Mr. Speaker . to conserve timey'1.'11 withdraw the motion in rea'lity of the situation - u ' '' H6n. W . Robert Blair: 'A11 right. is there consent? Al1 right. Further resolutions - '' Fredric B.-selcke: ''Ah # House . . '' Hon. W. Robert Blairt ''Far what pûrpose does the gentleman from cook, Mr. Juckettk rise?'' Robert S. Juckett: ''Mr. Speaker. as long as we have a11 the members of the House here, would Eke to announce that the Executive Committee's meeting which was scheduled for 2:00 P.M. in Room M-5 will commence immediately after ad- journmèn' t in Room M-S.'' ' Hon. W . Robert Blair: uPurther resolutionsr' Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Joint Resclution 106 . ..' ' '' ' :'3c'L).$,%t&e-tr J- . i : nv G ENER A L AssEM BLY * '1:.l. j ..;.x7' t ah I . . .. -s' pt 1j j >TA. o *f)7.r,... . t.,,......v.v, HQUSE C>FTE F1 IREPREu Sk E. Ie 4oAT NT 1sIVCS 15 . Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Wait a minute, therefs a problem on M-5. apparently it 's not been cleared. Choate's using M-5. you have to clear khose with the desk . 'Ahe. . .'' Robert S. Juckett : ''Mr. Mr. Speaker. Ifm informed that the Senate is using M-3 and there is no other committee room large enough for thè Executive Committee-'' HOn .W . Robert Blair: ''We11, M-5's been prior assigned, so you 're going to have to find another room - 52O is avail- able, I'm informed. All righte. .. -'' Robert S. Juckettz ''A1l riqht, Mr. Speaker, Exedutive Com- mittee will meet in at 9:00 o'Clock tomorrow morning in X-5 .'1 Hon. W . Robert Blair: ''M-5 is busy tomorrow morning. You have ko clear these things with the desk. We have # ser- vice up here for that. All right, we'll get it straightene out and you can announce it later. Ah, further resolutions-' Fredric B. selcke: ''House. . .'' '--e Hon. W . Robert Blairz ,1For what purpose does the gentleman from Cook, Mr. Caldwell, rise?'. Lewis A . H . Caldwell: ''Ah # Mr. Speaker, I .I was wanting to. ask unanimous consent to move a bill to second reading on second legislative day. I might explain that this is a bil that the Superintendent of Pubwic Instruction Office had. It was in Appropriato 'nsf Committee yesterday and came out 16 to nothing. The back ground is that there was some misunderstanding and the bill was vetoed by the Governor. The matter has been straightened out and everybody seems to jkv '.. r* wf jAT..'.ç.'.$ .. '. 'J, f' G EN E R A L A SSE M B L Y ..( . ë. ,èA., . - li x .-1) .. ' . svxvcosIuu,s,ols Notlss oF Kepazrsra'ra' rlu es : --- . . . !;:, be in agreement, but I believe if I could get unanimous ' consent to move the bill today, there would be a possibilit ' that it could get back to the Governoràs desk before we leave. 1301. Senate Bill 1301.'. ' Hon. W . Robert Blair: ''It's already been advanced to the orde of second readinq, second day. Now. Fe're on further re- solutions.'' Fredric B. Selcke: ''House House Joint Resolution 106. Davis, et%a ,1.'' Hon. W . Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook , Mr. Davis. ' desire recognitiona'' corneal A . Davis: ''Ah, Mr. Speakere I'd like to have unan- imous consent to suspend Rule 53a and to advancp the House Resolution withcut reference.'' . Hon. W. Robert Blairz 'Is there obqection? Objection having been heard. consent's not given. .The gentleman from Cook, . Corneal AvxDavis: ''Then Mr. Speaker, I would move that we suspend the rules for the purpose of, well then Mr. Speaker I'd like consent to read the resolution e I'd like to read . the resolution before I move to suspend the rules . Do you object to that?'' ' . HOn.W . Robert Blairz ''No. that's a11 fight. The Clerk will Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Joint Resolutioh 106 , Davis. etaal. . 'Be it resolved by the' House of Representatives of the 77th General Assembly of the State of Illinois , the Senate con- /'. 4+7'757j G E N E R A L A SSE M B L Y ;!ts5 *, .. . . ' )o -; ,% k)j, 'j ) sxxxsoe.juujxojs * ' rkz,.....w.%*.' souss oF Re:ese:sEN'rA'r1v ss w ! .. zs4. curring herein, thai: There exists a state of crisis in Illinois concerping public aid; and II. Resolution of .this crisis and the support of those persons in need who must depend on public aid must be the top priority of the govern ment of the State of Illinois in these times of high un- employment regardléss of the philosophic views held by' individual members of this General Assembly towards the existing welfare system ; and 111. There are items in the budgei of the state of Illinois for the current 1972 fiscal year for .which appropriations have been enacted, which re- late to projects and programs which are of lesser priority than the funding of public aid; these items can be held back and spending pursuant .to them reduced by the Governor to insure the availability of state 'funds for the purpose o financing public aid; and IV. The Governor, pursuant to his authority under existing law , has the power to reduce ' spending in authorized programs and re-shape the priorities in statY spending within the terms of the enacted approp- riations for the current 1972 fiscal year; and V . The General Assembly urges the Governor to hold back expendi- tures as much as is possible in the following authorized items, which are hereby declared to be of lesser priority for the financing of public aid: Bill computerization for the General Assembly $338,800: Public Relations $537,80 ; state Transpodation Department Study - $608.000: studying . Horse Diseases - $50.0002 New building for Secretary of state - $5,800,0007 Tcurism grants and promotion - $222,300 . '.' .J1 r . t:'.(r7'7>t G E N E R A L A SSE M B LY ! :jyt. . .V9 - :7 . -. 9 % , .d ' . =..... :& ' s /) ..J' . sv.. vsoe.'uu.' . $o' s HUUSC 0 6 REPRCNCFIYAT1VKS Advertising to promote the 'New Illinois' - $700.000: state offices in Belgium, New York and Washington - $309,- 8007 Construction of boat docks and recreation facilities - $14,294,6707 Appraisal and legal fees for purchasing land - $1,000,000: Gymnasiup for police trainees - $1:242.9007 Bathroom at State Fair - $90p000/ Awards for livestock bree - ers - $150,000: Horsebarn and stages - $128,0002 Enter- tainers at the State Fair - $400,000: Purses for Illinois colts at fairs - $467.000: Remodeling highway district headquarters and building storage sheds - $2.827,6007 Total of authorized expenditures from items set out above - $29:166,870. VI. Tha General Assembly declares its public support for the Governor in reducing expenditures under the items liéted above; and VII. The Gqneral Assemb iy urges the Governor to save an additional $51,375,000 by maintain- ing the state payroll at the September, 1971 level except . where personnel increases must be made in instances of demonst,ratable emergencies, recognizing the fact that the foregoing savings in state funds may be realized notwith- standing a 5% pay increase for present state employees that the Governor may choose t6 authorize.''' Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentlemùn from Cook, Mr. Davis.n Corneal A. Davis: ''Mr. Speaker, I now move that objections have been heard for unanimous consent. I now move that we suspend Rule 53a for the immediate consideration of this resolution.'' Hon. W . Robert Blair: '1A11 right, the gentleman has moved ?.oukg j u.,1R1>I ux :x . y G E N E R A L A SSE M B L Y * .; j). X.. J ' ' ''C.'''*') . /x-.î' svavso. r'uul-ols @ *1OusE QF REPRESENTAT1VES w ,:>...s tl' %* k l . . . 1 ys6. for the suspension of Rule 53a for the immediate consider- ation and adoption of the resolution. Al1 of those in favor will votë 'Yeas' and the opposed 'NC ' and this re- quires 89 votes or two-thirds of those voting. The gentle- 'man from Cook, Mr. Davis.'f corneal A. Davis: ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen ot tie House, I do not wish to belabor this point. You've heard ' the resolution read and let me say to you that I believe this is what I believe, I believe that it's harder to achieve peace than it is to fight a war. Now, let me tell you something. We 're talking about the shooting in Viet Nam, but if we don 't do something about the situation we presented some bills here yesterday where the Dppartment heads if they'd been heard would have come in the Approp- Hations' Committee and tell us why they needed this monqy . We wanted to ask why in the hame of God did we need $904- ' 000.00 to build a bathroom at the state fair and $4è0,000.0 ' . for soml càn can girls and some huli huli dancers when the peace of this state is being threatened. Now, let me tell you something . People are hungry whether you ' believe ' it or not. Youfve shamed a 1ot of men from World W ar 11 from the bloody beache: of the Mediterranean and from the ' swamp infected jungles of the south'Pacific, you've framed ' a few, you tve framed them in Viet Nam to kill and the cas- ' ' ualty of conflict is staxing this natioh in e face right . now . Because these men who have been trained to kill is coming back.'not able to obtain jobs here and I'm going to Jz o x. ;'(?. j%, j, htï c E N E lt A t. ' A ssEM BLY ;-k zV .!7J svA. v. :2oe.1uu1aoIs .,v' ,z , . #',, ru .... : sokjssossspasssxvxvju6s wsy,. tell you this. they will not go hungry: they will not go hungry, if this is a serious matter, I see some people laughing and smiling, but this is a serious matter. . .'' Hon. W . Robert Blairz d'All right, bring your remarks to a ' closeo'' corneal A. Davisz ''They will not go hungry. do you hear. a time bomb is hanginq over the head of this nation. They said that onê help of the elderly people over 65 years of age who have to exist on Social Security are having to go to the lowest poverty level ever, frustration, angry people, desperate people, i11 people. . .'' * Hon. W . Robert Blairz e'Take, take, you 're time is.up, Mr. Davis. Take. .'' Corneal A . Davis: ''. . .1 ask you to give me the votes always sending to the Governor.'' Hon. W. Robert Blairr ''All right, tvrn him off. The gentle- man from Cook , Mr. Hyde.'' ' Henry J. H/def 'Wel1, Mr. Speaker, Mr. Speaker, I think some time some place we should stop playing politics with the poor, and I'm afraid thates what 's going on day after day down here. Now. if the gentleman is sincere and I don 't doubt that he is sincetq he ougit to know that some of the major items in this resolution,'how about this one, $5,800,000.00 new building for Secretary of State; remodel- ing highway district headquarters and.building storage shed , $2,827,6:0.00: Gynmasium for police trainees, $1:242,900.00 why those things are in the road fund and the only way to 'o . < t' t7. i >$g, GEN ERA L A SSE51BLY a!y': ' $ h.' , .> ).',) A , svxa. sog'uulaols HOUSE D F RCPRESENTATIVCS j,. e ' -. . .. get those monieà out of the road fund is to tell your col- leagu'es across the rotunda in the Senate to give us one vote for Senate Bill 1255, which permits the transfer from ' up by. Democrats with a these funds. They 're being held . capital fD' across the rotunda. Senate Bill 1255 has 24 Republican votes and not one Democrat vote, so we couldn't begin to implement your resolution, sir, if it were sound because we have to have 1255 so if you want to take a recess and walk over there and persuade the Pro Tempore to get his troops around 1255 then this has some meaning, but right now. it's just politics apd demogogy-. ''. ' ' Hon. W . Robert Blair: ''Now# we 'll be in order. The ah have all voted who wished? The gentleman frcm Cook, Mr. Carter-' Richard A. Carterz ''Ah, Mr. àpeaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of this House, I would just briefly like to answer the . Majority Leader. He will probably realize, if he doesn't already, and he 's a smart man, that the shoe fits the other foot someti ' mes. You are irying, Mr. Hyde. to make the Governor the legislature . If that's what you wnnt. then we might give you the .vote, but there might come a time when we fll have the House and you 'll rue the day you ever brought it up. Thank you -'' Hon. W . Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook , Mr. Meyer-'' Theodore Meyer: ''Mr. S 'peaker , think that al1 in khis House'concur with Representative Cprneal's feeling for the poor and I might add for the sc%ool children of the City of chicago, but Mr. Speéker, if I may briefly get back to my k ik''' .. % ,.. % jpx it<uJ! t'j c ENER AL AssEM BLv . 't lqp ' * V ' ,). # j ...,.., svAveoe1uuIao1s 2/ .t.. . sobsE:oF Re:eRe:ssNvlv1vcs z5q. resoluùion. there's $120,000,000,00 in funds that the Mayor and the City Council. . .'' Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Now. which dne of you want recognition The gentleman from Cook . Mr. Sheao'' Gerald W . shea: ''Mr. Speaker. I don 't believe he 's talking to this resolutione but to his and Ve knew the outcome of khat before his remarks to m is one.'' - Hon. W . Robert Blair: ''I l think he 's getting to an explana- tion vhy he's voting the way he is. so ah I 'm sure you will éet to the point that you're making with regard to your explanation of your vote.'' J. Theodore Meyer: OMr. Speaker, that 's what I'm suggestion, is that local local government in the City of Chicago' and Cook County can equally divert as well as the Governor and everybcdy else in this State. What is good for the goose is good for the ganderv'' Hon . W . Robert Blairz ''The gentleman from.Cook. Mr. karold Washingson.' Harold Washingtonz ''Mr. Speaker, the modus operandi in explai - ing my vote of the opposition amazes me. Pirst they want to send us to Chicago to tell the Mayor of Chicago what to do ; then they want to send us to 'the County Board to tell the President Dunne what to do ; then they want to send us over to the Senate to tell the Senate what to do , but they don't want to tell themselves what to do . The vehicles to resolve the problem on the Speaker 's table.They landed there yesterday, and I like a gentleman went along with the ,..,..irk. >i). . : v. 2.:$ ,, $ r. t. 7! G EN ERA L ASSEM BLY .. r,t) : --- .'',.. .. .Lf4 y.''''.' svwveoeIuulxo. s sjouss ov asesssssvxvlvss r;,r,r. Majority Leader who asked me to withdraw one bill from keep tieing up the House. I tried a new direction, I got frustrated there and lo. and behold I was finally found frustrated by a gigantic feedback in Chicago. The vehicle for the solution to the problem is here. You don't have to look to Chicagof you don't have to look across the'ro- tunda, my distipguished friehd, Representative Meyer. the solution to the problem is here. You have your faith or you h' ave the faith of hungry peo:le here in your hands. It is on the Speaker's table. It's not too heavy to lift it up. Just give me enough votes to get that bill on second reading and you can make all the speeches you want tomorrow when those bills come up . 'I support this resolution.'' ( Hon . W . Robe'rt Blair: ''Have allvoted who wished? The Clerk / ' will take the record . For what purpose do you rise?'' corneal A. Davisz ''I rise on a point of personal privilege, since my name has been mentioned in debate. and 1.11 assure you that 1'11 only take a minute. 92% of the general ass- istance money comes from the state. You want to change that? You took'over Cock County 's Department of Welfare . The only power and you lawyers know this, Chicago has as the power that is granted to it. ùy this legislature, this little charter. You took away the Chicago Welfare Depart- ment. You sent up 92% of these payments or a one mill tax in Cook County's level for the other W$ of the payment of public welfare. This is the way it is. The legislature has the power to change that. Now, if youfre going to .. v .a )' f' 4. ,N ''. k y .. ttlh' -,,.->Gh -j c ENEItAL AssEM Bt.v 6:'Y,!# .t.). svs- reos'uulso's oL t. '. ô%* ''' *1OtlsE o F REPRESENTATIVES ;*!. .. change that. this is the hoss of a different color. You want'to go out and change it and stop playing politics with human misery. Now . I'm going to tell you something . I'm ' in love with this country and yop ere setting on top of a smoking smoldering volcano, do you hear? I love the gosbpel of St. John, because he tells it like it is. If he was living today, the young people would love him because he tells it like it is. The'y beheaded him, they killed him, they took his life fox telling it like it is, but this is what he says and this is the message he leaves to you. How can you say you love a God whom you fve never seen and hate your neighbor whom you've seen? If you say this. the holy St. John says you ere a liar. And the truth isnft in you. Tell it like it is.k' Hon . W . Robert Blair: ''On this question, there are 79 'Yeas' and 79 'Nays' and the motion to suspend is lost. A1l right there are just a few items here. Introduction and first readingyof Höuse Bills. A couple of bills.'' Fredric B. selcke: ''House Bill 3761. Burditt. et-al. An act to provide for nomination and election of judges and to repeal part of an act therein.named. First reading of the bill. House Bill 3762, Gardner, et.al. A bill for an act to authorize county and mukicipal home rule units to transfer motor fuel tak funds for .general assistance pur- poses and to provide for the repayment thereof. First reading of the bill.'' Hon. W . Robert Blair: ''The gentleman 'from Cook, Mr. Hyde - '' g %&*t . 'xx . . u> .-t, - -$ ';?>' hh G E N E R A L' A ssE M l 3Lv û!tk. ?s,). y .,j$ z .7,nA ) sv,. mçoeIuu1 .'oI s . a j'%.'.1%+...'..., HOUSE * s asessssxxwa . .luqs 1.,-...-' 1v Henry J. Hyde: ''Mr. Speaker: Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, this bill, here it is gentlemen. if you really Fant to do something, if you really want to do something about the welfare crunch in the County of Cook and the city of Chicago, here it is. We 're not going to move to advance it# we're going to'let it sit on the Speaker's table bver- night and you cqn a11 think a'bout it. you can al1 examine your consciences, and then tomorrow we'll take some action, but for your information the cas: balance & r cook county motor fu:l tax funds today is $24,000,000.00 ani the cash balance for the City of Chicago motor fuel tax fund is $33,000,000.00. Now, I want to say this, the Republican Party is accused of being Pore interested in roads than it is in human beings. Here 's your opportunity for Cook county and Chicago to show its priorities. We 'll not only meet you half way, we'll go across town with you. so think about it and let's get the votes tomorrow .e Hon. W. RoSert Blair: ''Messages from the senate-'' Fredric B. Selcke: ''Messages from the Senate. A message from the Senate by Mr. Wright, Secretary : Mr. Speaker, .1 am directed to inform the House of Representatives that the senate has passed a bill of the following title, in the passage of which I am instructed to ask the concurrence of the House of Representatives. to-wit: Senate Bill 1290. Passed by the Senate, November l0, 1971,. by a three-fifths vote. Kenneth Wright, Secretary of the Senate. Mr. speaker, I am directed to inform the House of Representa- ';zkkL'',.. z'.xM '6bG. ' x . CENERAL Asscunuv *=.3 .k i. 1, ,à > ' . ,' .. t svxms o g.IuuIsojs *% , .'..rw. 1.. ,..,. ww '. . ' Housr o F nEPREsENT#.T'1vES rt. ..w%.' .t' -. . 16a , tives that the senate has passed a bill of the following title, in the passage of which I am instructed to ask the concurrence of the House of Representatives, to-wit: Senate Bill 1310. Passed by the Senate, November l0, 1971. by a three-fifths vote. Kçnneth Wright, Secretary of the Senate Mr. Speaker, I am directed to inform the House of Repres- entatives that the Senate has passed a bill of the follow- - ing title. in the passage of which I am instructed to ask the èoncurrence of the House of Representatives, to-wit: . @ Senate Bill 1311. Passed by the Senate, November 1O, 1971, by a three-fifths vote. Kenneth Wright, Secretary of the Senate. No further messages.'' Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Scilick- man. for What purpose do you rise?'' Eugene F. Schlickman: ''Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, SenateBill 1310 appropriates $198,000.00 to the Court of Claims. This bill was introduced in the senate,xit was advanced to second reading without referral to committee. Today it passed the Senate without a dis- senting vote. I discussed this matter wi th the Minority Leader, the Majority Leader, I've discussed it with the chairman, the Minority Spokesman Yf the House Appropriation ' committee, and they agree that I should now move, Mr. speaker, or ask for unanimous consent to have Senate Bill 1310 advanced tc the order of second reading. second leg- islative day without refe 'rral to committee.'' Hon. W . Rcbert Blair: ''Is there leave? A1l right, read the . .)x'k''' ..' . .'... /';lzt àw zi 4: j'r.7:4..' :c . , ! nA- GEN ERA L A SSEM BLY yj.X j . *T * . ...,, . .. , STA. TCoF1LLIPlOIS '..''..' MOUSE C)F REPRESENTAT1VES .4 'i$ ' ï'. .'...h . bill a first timep'' Fredric B. selcke: ''Senate Bill 1310. A bill for 'An Act to make appropriations for certain claims against the State of Illinois in conformity with awards made by the court of Claims-' First reading of the bill.dl Hon. W . Robert Blair: ''Second reading. The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Carterr James Y.'' James Y. Carter: ''Ah # Mr. Speaker, I'd like to if possible ask the Majority Leader a question with regard to the bill that he 's holding for tomorrow. I don 't know whether I 'm in order or not because that 's been passed over, but I wanted to ask him.'' Hon. Robert Blair: ''Well, it's not exactly in order, but I'm sure he 'd be happy to ah, the gentleman from Coqk is requesting a question .of the Majority Leader concerning the ah the bill that you just referred to-'' James Y. Carter: HHenry. you have told us very distinctly what isMin the motor fuel tax fund. can you tell me how much âs in the road fund?'' Henry J. Hyde: ''Ah # no# I don't know, except that as of June 30, 1972. . .'' James Y. Carter: ''I'm not talking about June 30, I'm talking about right now .'' Hon . W . Robert Blair: ''A11 right, wedre not going to get into debate on the floor, he's answering your question, I sug- . gest you let him answer it and then if you don't like that you can say something maybe.'' ..' 'J' r.., :îS .-, ''A<x 'p c ExERA L AssEM Bt, v t*!j'k.s1. r .. , o s y) .,>. j u....., , : % . . . j ., z' . svA. ve:oezIuuIsl oIs ilouse oF Re:eRcsxNTATIvEs . Q?el 4% . James Y. Carter: HWe11 let me make this observation ans we l h can quit. Will you have those figures tomorrow?'' q . ' Henry J. Hyde: 11'11 give you a figvre right now if youell ' 1et me. Thereell be $1 million in the road fund as of June 30. 1972, that's the . .the rest is all committed with contracts.'' James Y. Carter: 'You've got $400 million. ' Hon. W . Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook. Mr. Washing- ton,'Harold Washington-'' Haroid Washington: .'I trust my colleague, Representative Hyde is finished? Mr. Speaker, I rise on a parliamentary inquiry.'' Hon. W . Robert Blair: ''A1l right. we're on the order of bus- i iness, messages from the Senate. Is .that the purpose. for j ' what you're. '' j . t ' Harold Washington: ''No, I rose on a point of parliamentary ' j ' jï inquiry.Mr.speaker.' , Hon. w . Robert Blair: ''Al1 right . we 're on the order of bus- .4 iness of messages from the Senate, is that what your par- liamentary inquiry is about?'' ). Harold Washington: ''I will hdld my point of parliamentary t. inquiry until you finish that ordèr of business, if you will .let me raise it later.'' Hon . W . Robert Blair: ''oh, I will, sure.'' Harold Washington: ''I'm sure you will, thank you .'' Hon. W . Robert Blair: ''Yeah . Ah. now there 's a request with reqard to one bill on third House Bill on third reading and . k c jjN E R A j. A s g E M B L Y /gi œ STA .TE OF 1LL1bIO I G / HotlS'C OF REPRESE:NYAT1VE5 that is House Bill a1l right, .back up. All right, ah with regakd to the message concerning senate Bill 1311 the gen-, tleman from Cook. Kr. Hyde . recognized.'' ' nenry . Hyde: ''Mr. Speaker . this bill ah provides $214.00 to the Department of Registration and Education. $214.000.0 for the purpose of implementing the controlled Illinois con trolled substances act. We recently pasled new legislation imposing this responsibility on them Ynd it must be funded and so I understand there is agreement on b0th sides of the aisle to advance this to the order of second reading , sec- ond day and without reference and I so move o '' Hdn. W. Robert Blair: ''Is there leave? All right, wait a minute. Okay. Okay. Read the bill- '' Fredric B. Selcke: 'Senate B11l 1311. A bill for eAn Act making a supplemental appropriation. to the Department of Registration and Education. First reading of the bill . '' Hop. W . Robert Blair: ''Seeond reading. okay, House Bills ' third rpading, House Bill 3740. The Chair recognizes the gentleman from McHenry, Mr. Lindberg .'l George W. Lindberg: ''Yes, Mr. Speaker, I would ask unanimous . consent to waive the ah provision's of Rule 32 with regard to the timet' able on bills so we may consider and pass out of this House the appropriations for the Ethics Board which will presumably pass out of this législature sometime dur- ing this week, so I would like unanimous consent, Mr. Speak Cf'.'' Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Xll right, he is sus-, he is asking ,.'' . .. .. -(j*.+2). . 1 youl: J c t . .: . :' .k.' ? ; n-j G ENERA L ASSE51BLY * Uy, .r.X . ...' . , .( . . . srA. ' re:oFIut.l NoI s . . sousc o F IRcencscNvA'r1we:s ut .'....' . 167. for unanimous consent to suspend the provisions of Rule 32c and objection has been heard? No, oh. no objections. The gentleman from Union, Mr. choate, has a question m '' ' clyde t.'dhoate: ''Just a question, Mr. Speaker. If I listen to the gentleman this afternoon correctlye he stated that the Senate Bill 3700 as amehded in the Senate, struck every thing after the enacting clause and think he said on the floor of the House that he was not satisfied pr did not xgree rathery with the w ay that the board was set up . Con- sequently, if the Board is set up the same way it was in the past, then I don 't know whyvyou need the appropriations '' George W . Lindberg: HThe appropriations are necessitated by what appears will pass out of this House, either by the vehicle of 3700 as amended or by 81 and in either case, there wi1l be a tremendous'number of filings for which '' abou $50.000.00 is needed-'' Hon. W . Robert Blair: ''Now, a motion to suspend is. not de- baeableA and that is the question. Now: ccnsent has not beed given and so does the gentleman desire to pursue the matter farther?'' George W . Lindberg : ''Well, I would then move, Mr. Speaker, what does it take 89? To suspend?'' . Hon. W. .. 'Robert . Blair: ''It takes 89 affirmative votes, no two- thirds-'' George W. Lindberg: '' We11, if we'can get it, think we ought tO try .11 Hon. W . Robèrt Blair: ''A11 right . All those in favor of .'.. < ... k--.w. o :..(%'.;y ,. GENER A ;' ?:p?, L A SSEM BLY ' r'' 1 *, t, . %jj f& . '. '' .. '. './, *l.c .&.%+.''.z' ' svavs s soj uuj jjvj elousE oF IREeREscN'rN'T'1vcs ,6a. trying vote 'Yeas ' and the opposed 'No '. For what, the qentleman from Cook, Mr'. B. B . Wolfe.'' Bernard B. Wolfe: ''A point of parliamentary inquiry . I wasn' objecting to his motion or for leave because I support appropriations for the Ethics Board which we've been try- ing to get for four years now. But I'm trying to call his ' attention to page 17 of Amendment Number.one, Sectbn 3 has appropriations of $l00e000.O0 to the Board of Ethics and ' the sum of $150.000.00 to the Commission on Local Govern- ment Ethics and I'm just wondering if that doesn't cover the your situation, George.'' Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Well you started out with a point of parliamentary inquiry and shifted it over to asking a ques- tion . Now. which would you like?'' Bernard B. Wolfe: ''We1l# I want the parliamentary. .1.11 .ïake this as a question to the Chair, does that now change the ah. Hon. W . Robert Blairz ''That's a substantive questione not a procedural question -'' Bernard B. Wolfe: ''We11, then can I ask that of the sponsor, Mr. Speakera'' Hon. W . Robert Blair: ''Well, we 're on explanation of votes and if he cares to address himself to that point in his explanation of vote, why he can do so.'' Bernard BJ Wolfe: ''okay.'' Hon . W . Robert Blair: ''A1l right, have a1l voted <h o wished? The Clerk will take the record. The gentleman from Bureau, .. s.J) tz'u ? ''s?.t k; 7>$ G E N E R A L A SSE M B L Y *ty' .4. zz :,, .j x.x) ,.... ,., .1 ,. . +%c...'.%+%* '.' . svavk o,',uu,,qo,s HoklSE;o F REPRESEPITAT1VK:S ''f' z .' k Mr. Barry.'' Tobias Barry: ''I 'd like to explain my vote and by way of in- quiry by the Chair which I tried to get recognition for initially. I am voting 'Present '. and .1 would like to know if this takes two-thirds or 89?.' Hon . W . Robert Blair: ''89.,, Tobias Barry: HI 'm voting present for the reason, pardon me Mr. Speaier, for the reason that there already is an approp <iation in 3700..' Hon. W . Robert Blair: ''We1l. it takes 89 affirmative votese not two-thirds as I indicated earlier. Record the gentle- man, all right. B . B. Wolfe, 'Present '. Carroll, 'Present ' Berman, 'Present'. Tipsword, 'Present '. Hill, 'Present'. Barnes, 'Present'. Who? For what purpose does the gen- tleman from Cook, .Mr. Berman, rise?'' àrthur L. Berman: ''Ah, a point of parliamentary inquiry, kr. Speaker.'' Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Yes.'' Arthur L . Berman: ''Could could the Chair advise me as to whether the appropriation in House Bill 3700 as amended, in other words, with Senate Amendment Number One. would it be constitutional if it was passed?'' Hon. W . Robert Blair: ''We11, that 's not a question which the chair can um ertake. It really i/n't. Ah, Hill, 'Present' Lenardk 'Present'. Jaffe, 'Present'. Caldwell# 'Present'. O 'Hallaren, 'Present'. Colitz 'Present'. R. L. Thompson, 'Present'. Kosinski, 'Present'. Capparellit 'Present' . l ,..x:*.yA '' . 'zxx - > sxj /'e: , ')S; 4 G E N E R A L A S SEM B LY v'' / ' 1- i '-. ''A.ù) r.' , .svxvèo. -,uu,-o's '. * X' :...x* '' . t'u''''% '. . *1ouse oF !?ceREsEel'rA.TIv cs 70. Brandt, 'Present '. Yourell, 'Present'. Yourell# 'No '* o'Brien, 'Present'. Carrigan, 'Present'# 'No'. Carrigan. 'No'. Garmisa, 'Present '. Maragos, 'Present '. Leon, 'Present'. A11 right. On this question, there are 78 'Nos'# 78 'Yeas'# 2 'Nays'# 20 'Present'. For what purpose does the gentleman frcm Cook, Mr. Carroll. rise?'' Howard W. Carroll: 'fMr. Speakef, cna poink of parliamentary inquiry which I think was what Representative Berman was . starting to say, was referring tq Article IV# Section 8 of the passqge of bills of the constitution, the last sentence of Section (d) that appropriation bills shall be limited to the subject of appropriations. I'm sorry. the middle para- graph of section (d). bills, except bills for appropria- tions. The last sentence of that particular paragrpph says that appropriaticn bills shall be limited to the subject of appropriations and in that case with the arendment to 3700 ' would be within the framework of legislative articles. In that th/'re's an appropriation in that bill and that bill is not an appropriation 's only bill. According to the frame- worh of the last sentence here.'' Hon. W. Robert Blairz ''Now, you're inquiry is as to 3700 as?' Howard W . Carroll: ''As to any bill sim e this is an approp- riation bill, we're dealing with the subject of appropria- tions.'' / Hon . Robert Blair: ''3740 is the matte lbeforethehouse-' . ) . Howard W. Carroll: nWhich is an appropri/tions' bil1.' t# - ..s- .,''-. Hon.W.RobertBlair: ''Right.' 1 t' rhzj: 4: rr; : >C '' G EN ERA L A SSEM BLY t ï 1.!tv.4 f . : t .' / - .- , . z ) 1 .).. c' ' e. ', ..... , . svxvs.,.'uulxol s sousso.-aseassaxv.vlvss : .,.. , l , . . 171. Howard W . Carroll: ''Parliamentary inquiry is that does this bill this bill meet this particular sentence, and if this bill does. would any bill that is not an appropriation only Particular sentence?'' Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Well, obviously that sentence is far too broad for me to answer with regard to this particular matter. It is the Chair's ruling that it is an appropria- ' tion that is.for the purpose for which the ah ah the ah bill for which the subject of the bill is there and so it is appropriate as far as 3740 is concerned and as an aside on your other quqstion, I've previously ruled on that mattp * with regard to the gentleman from Cook , Mr. Shea's question that as long as there 's substantivé matter in the bill and 't has an appropriation in it that the appropriation is for the amcunt for the purposes of the substantive park of tbe bill and it would be the Chair's ruling that it complied - . with the purpose with the language of the constitution and ' . I ruledxit .that way a couple a few days ago . All right: no the gentleman's motion having failed to receive 89 affirm- ative votes is hereby declared lost . A11 right. noF we're ' back to Mr. W ashington, Mr. Harold Washington-'' Harold Washington: ''I have a parliàmentary inquiry, Mr. Speaker.'' . Hon . W . Robert Blair: ''Al1 right, state your point.'' . Harold Washington: ''In regard to Rule 38 of our rule.'' ' hon. W. Robert Blair: '''Yes.'' Harold Washington: ''It provides that when a rule is intro- . .. .,. ;''.... q' ê 1+'I . $--. 7@ 7. z. - . A SS EM B LY GEN ERAL /jy5 :$r' y. p ,.j , 1cX '. *TA. T' EOFILL1FlD1S .. e . duced, it shall be read at large a first time. ordered Printed . referred to proper committee for;.consideration. except that in .cases of demo'nstrable emergencies a bill may be advanced without reference to committee . Now, am correct, Mr. Speaker. that at the beginning of the session in January or February, you interpreted that section to say that you had the right to determine what is a demon- strable emergency and so you could advance bills to the order of second reading without reference to committee, am I correct in that?'' Hon- W . Robert Blair: ''That 's right.'' * Harold Washington: ''Then Mr. Speaker, I 'm appealing to you to invoke Rule 38 and advance Hous' e Bill 3753, -54, -55, and * 6 and -57 to the order of second reading without r&- ference to a committee, by virtue of the fact that demon- strable emergency invited in.the thrust of those bills has been clearly stated by b0th side 's of the aisle repeatedly for th> past two weeks.'' Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Well, yeah, 38 can not be read stand- ing alone, it has to be read in conjunction with the pro- visions of Rule 32c. 32c provides that any bill introduced subsequent to October the 14th shall lie upon the Speaker's table but not be recorded on the daily calendar to be re- ferred to the proper committee after January 1, 1972. Now , the reason that we adopted those rules changes is in this session was so that it would be noticed to everyone here as to the procedures that we were going to follow and when G EN E R A L A SSE M B L Y STA.TE o F dLL1NO1S Nt:klSE 9F REPRESE:PlTA.T1VC5 * '''' matters would''have to be addressed within the framework of the House, schedule, I take notice of the fact that these bills which you referred to were not even introduced in thi Chnmher until Monday of this week which would have been November the 8th e and that it 's in the normal course of proeedure demanstrable emergeneies do not arise over night and so it's going to be the Ciair's ruling that taking 3038 in consideration with 32c that the situation to which you ' rrfer is not demonstrated in thesy instances.'' Harold Washington: ''Can I say this, Mr. Speaker? In light of the fact that we adjourned yesterday in the midst of a parliamentary inquiry of these five .bills, I think it woul be only fair that I be permitted at this time to move that we suspend Rule 38 and 32c, the rules you just enunciated to by-pass committee, put the matter before the House and advance to the order of second reading without reference to committee, and I so move-'' Hon. W . Robert Blair: ''A11 right, now , my number one point is that you were not interrupted yesterday during a discussion of these things by adjournment because a member on your side of the aisle moved to recess for one hour-'' Harold Washington : ''I withdraw . Hon. W . Robert Blair: ''And there was a follow-up motion to adjourn from my side of the aisle. Now, secondly with the regard to the matter that you are now putting we are not on thak crder of business, we are not on the order of the Speaker's table and I do not intend tc go there-'' ,. . ,j.j. , ... 'J7:,i' . Vk , . : ' D .w. % G E N E R A L A S SEM B LY 2.y'7.' - 'd r . 2fj ,2 - svwvs.,.Iuu'so's '1X .T*' -'''M''*/ sousE oF nseF,EssN'rA.TIves ! Harold Washington: ''Mr. Speaker, let me conclude by thanking you for your interpretation and appealing to you to make to permit me to make that motion at sometime before we ad- journ.'' Hon. W . Robert Blair: ''Well, we 'll eertainly be at the Speak - er's table at sometime in the remaining days- '' Harold Washington : ''Today. Mr.'speakermn '' Hon. W . Robert Blair: ''No# we dre not on the Speaker 's table now, we're on resolutiops.'' Harold Washington: ''Then Mr. Speaker, I rise on'a point of personal privilege.'' Hon . W . Robert Blair: ''S*ate your point . '' Harold Washington : ''Mr. Speaker, I don't think in my four terms here I have ever voted against. a motion to by-pass committee and advance to the order of second reading . One time èven though I may have violently disagreed with the subject of the bill before the Housee I don't think that therefs-.that many people here who felt and voted so con- sistently to do that. As you may recall, I even fought along with Corneal Davis to provide that the rules be changed, the proposals prekented to us be changed so that we could discharge a committee wfthout. . Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''A1l right, the, excuse me for just a momenty please, but the lights have been turned off, so turn off the television.'' Harold Washington: ''I migh't also mention in my point of per- sonal privilege, that when we discussed welfare, the lights . k' -ox '.. -'.>. . w .. o' t: 1:R/;.xsy: ' G E N E R A L A SssM j;.jy r.. .k.. .! ) svxvso..,uu1, qo's 2zI)''er,3 7 . . ... - .Z HoklsE oF nE:eRE5EHTAT1VES *xd ''..'' . yy5 . C0 Ot1Y .'' Hon.W . Robert Blairz 'No. I'm just following direetions that I've given the media that they're well aware.'' Harold Washington: ''Al1 right.M my four terms here I have never voted against such a motion and I have never voted against such a motion because I 've felt that to anyone who came into this chamber duly elected by the constituents in his district made a motion' no matter how untimely that motioh could be, based on the fact that i is good con- ien 'ce he felt that that was business to bring before this sc . body. would go along with him whether it was his exercise of lack of good judgment or not. And I've been consiskent to that. I know that there are men in this chamber who feel the same way I do on b0th sides.of the aisle. Idm not going to appeal to them . That would be demeaning b0th to them and to me. I'm simply goinq to ptate a bare bones proposition to everyone here. We are on the verge of chaos in > this State of Illinois. This is not a threat, this is an observation. People are marching, people are hungry. people are disturbed, and I think that unless we leave here having thoroughly flunked and exhausted evqry possible angle to raise funds we're going to be looked at not as Democrats and Republicans separately, but every man and woman here is going to be thoroughly eriticized. I don't think we want that kind of criticism. I don't think . we should pass the buck from one number to another. We are state representatives, we deal with state fiscal policies. ..' ) N w?s.y' 3T f G E N E R A L A SSE M B LY .r t- s't1..:. ,'j ,j . A svxv. so.'uu,f uof s vGkt...,.,...l, * s HotlSE o F REPRESENTA. TlVES *t. ..x *..' ' ' l76 We deal with state financial policies, we deal with state revenue. It 's not our function to go searching all over the damn continent for money . We have'to look into our own budget. The five bills that I h ave presented for the Speaker 's table do exactly that . I started off by saying yesterday that I did not want to be partisan in this House it is not a partisan matter, but I appeal to youe Mr. speaker, and I do it a11 in good graçe, because I respect ' you Eremendously. I appeal to yQu to give me the oppor- tunity that I have never denied as a member o'f this House to anyone else and please permit me to advance those bills.' Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Well. just 1et me say this. Mr. Wash- ington, that when we were on your bills yesterday that I went there even though you introducëd them on Monday, I went to them on the order of the Speaker's tab le and I you those bills were called and you have votes on at least one if not two with regard to the sqme kind of motion that A' you 're addressing yourself now . And what I've simply said to you is that it 's been every Speaker's prerogative that has been Speaker of this House that he goes to the calendar and he calls the matters on there as he calls them and I've said to you that before we leave here 1'11 get back to the order of the Speaker's table and those bills to which you have not addressed the motion to suspend which you desire to do, I'm sure that you ell have a opportunity to do it. I certainly wouldn't want to have any member precluded from making the motions to which you address yourself by. At , ...'.kj . . rAi' Qw. r h, joz:J - 1' % A l ,y ..%- J . yN .' j; .,- GENEsRvAA.vcLoFA,uSS uI EsM BLY ,4o1 * ,'........z' HotlSE 0 F Re:eREsE;hITATIVES T. #.q* '' ypp this point. we're ready to wind up. Jimmy, what do you want?'' ' James Y . CaAter: ''Ah . Mr. Speaker, with al1 due respect to you. I 'd lik' e to say that I was the one that made th: mo - tion to recess for one hour yesterday and I wo uld like to remind the Speaker and this body that that moG on wa s never acted upon.'' ' Hon. W . Robert Blair: ''No, sir. another motion took precedent a motion to adjourn on the point of order was raised by members from your side of the aisle yesterday and I set 'a rulp.'' ' * ' James Y. Carter: ''Thak is correct, thank you very much. '' Hon. W. Robert Blair: 'Youere Velcome. All righty is there anything furtherz The gentleman from Cook Mr. Hyde-'' , Henry J . Hyde: ''Mr. Speakerz . . . '' Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''oh , wait a minute, Juckett 's got a - room . The gentleman from Cook# Mr. Juckett.'' . Rgbert S. Juckettz ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Executive Com- ' mittee will meet promptly at 9100 A .M. in Room M-5 tomorrow morning .'' ' Hon. W . Robert Blair: ''AII right. The gentleman from Cook . Mr. Phil Collins.'' . . Philip W . Collins: ''Ah, Mr. Speaker; Lpdies and Gentlemen of the House, Senate Bill 1296 appears on the calendar on the . order of second reading. I M ve a housekeeping mnendment which has been agreed , to by membership on 10th sides of the ' aisle and I wculd ask leave to offer this amendment for ' .. .. qk(jji.'-..u , . A . -, ;42: p' ) zacxl r .j le. ,j c ExERA j. A ssEM B LY V, 1 .' .) X * Qt...a.....'.', *' FAT' EOFluL1NOlS C!'tj.r.'':.b.**''. House:thF REeREsENTA'rIVES tr ' . 178. adoption at this time.'' Hon.W. Robert Blair: 'Is there objection? Read the bill.'' Fredric B. Selcke:' Hsenate Bill 1296, a bill for an act to amend 'The Election Code '. Second reading of the bill. ' No no committee amendments-'. Hon. W . Robert Blairz ''Any amendmeats from the floor?'' Fredric B. Selckez 'tAmendment Number One, Collins. Amend senate Bi1l 'l296 in the House on page 6 , line by strikin 'To prescribe' and inserting in lieu thereof 'Prescribe'; and on page 6, by striking lines 27 and 28; and on page 7. by striking lines l and 2 and inserting in lieu thereof the following: Adopt, qmend or rescind rules m d re- gulations in the performance of its duties, provided that all such rules and regulations must be consistent with the provisions of this Article,IA or issued pursuant to author- ity otherwise provided by law'; and '; and on page line 3, by striking 'To determine' and inserting in lieu thereof 'DetemYne' ' Hon. W . Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook , Mr. Phlip Collins.n #hilip W. Collins: ''Ahe Mr. speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, Amendment Ndmber One merely cleans up some lan- guage that was inadvertently left o' ut of the bill in the Senate. As I stated I have had it checked with the leader- ship on b0th sides of the aisle and I'Vould offer it for adoption at this time.'' Hon. W . Robert Blair: ''A1l right, a1l those in favor ot the . ,.. j4. .o x /oay&3' 5' : >s' f e). y G E N E R x j. x ssE M jjj.Y ;%? V-.:J . t.A ) ..,ù) svx. rso.,IuuI.1o, s * .', .c.....z.t *1OklSEDFREPI RE%ENTA. YIVES .-j ' adoption of the amendment say 'Yeas'' thé opposed 'No '# the 'Yeas' have it and the amendment is adopted. Are there further amendments? Third reading. The gentleman from Union, Mr. Choate.'' clyde L. Chœ te: ''Only'for the purpose of an announcement to the Democratic membership, Mr. Speaker. I sent a note around that I wanted a meeting in the morning on the sub- ject that is of primary interest to downstaters, however, some of my colleagues /rom the County of Cook evideztïy have not 'interpreted it correctly so that they will not get up unless they desire to do so. This is a matter which we are going to discuss which is of primary interest tq down- state members, however, you fellows from the North are wel- come to joinu us if you like. Stay in bed also if ' you like ' Hon. W . Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook , Mr. Hyde.'' Henry J. Hyde: ''Mr. .'' Hon . W . Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook. Mr. Rahdolph .. - a ' Paul J. Randdph : ''Mr- Speaker, and Members of tbe House, there will be a Revenut Committee hearing tomorrow after- noon immediately after adjournment ko hèar Senate BiMs 1244 through 1251. These bills were posted befor e and they have been postponed and I've checked with the other side of the aisle and I'd like unanimous consent to hear these bills tomorrow afternoon immediately after adjournment on ' the floor of the House.'' H6n. W. Robert Blair: ''Al1 right is there objection? A1l right, the rule notice posting rule will be suspended so '' J ;1pk'f''.y.y ... , iom 4. gu, .; ... cn t) , ' . x'bj trz . cEx ERA L AssEM BLv sv..vs oe ,uu',qo,s K. .>ttkv'' rn ...... ... ..- - - - - - - - ..- - .,. . ....... .. . lac. that the those bills may be heard tomorrow in Revenue . The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Hyde.'' Heary J. Hyde; ''Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlem'en of the . House, with great pleasure I mcve this House stand in re- cess until the hour of 10:00 O'Clock A .M . tomorrow morning .d Hon. W . Robert Blair: nAdjourn until lQ:00 A.M. tomorrow morning . A11 those in favor say 'Yeas'# the opposed 'No'#' and we're adjourned.'' Adjourn JA 6:49 O'Clock P.M. 11/10/71 skn. ... l r t''.. . t ' ,tq t:' hw G E N E R A L A SSE M B L Y ):th . b. 1 jd X....t ) j . *! ' . , .. j . STATZOF1LLl11QlS .. . #t' HQCJsd QF REPRESEFITA .t .# !I ., .. .q .. .*:''..' TIVES . . -! .