"The House will be in session. The invocatio this morning will be by Father James Casey, Pastor of St. Agnes Church, Springfield."
"In the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, amen. Let us pray, the Our Father. Thy Our Father who art in Heaven, Hallowed be thy name. kindgdom come, thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread, and forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil. Amen."
"Roll call for attendance . Messages."
"Message from the Senate by Mr. Wright Secretary Mr. Speaker, I am directed to inform the House of Representativ that the Senate has concurred to the House in the adoption of th following Joint Resolution, House Joint Resolution 134 concurred in by the Senate June 19, 1972. Kenneth Wright, Secretary. Mr. Speaker, I am directed to inform the House of Representative that the Senate has concurred with the House in the passage of the bill with the following title; House Bill 2881, together with the following amendment. Action taken by the Senate, passed the Senate as amended June 19, 1972. Kenneth Wright, Secretary. Mr. Speaker, I am directed to inform the House of Representatives that the Senate has concurred with the House of Representatives to pass the bill with the following title; House Bill 3557, together with the following amendments. Passed the Senate as amended June 19, 1972, Kenneth Wright, Secretary. Mr. Speaker, I am directed to inform the House GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 2. of Representatives the Senate has concurred the House of Representatives to pass the bill with the following title; House Bill 3648, together with the following amendment. Passed Senate as amended, June 19, 1972. Kenneth Wright, Secretary. Mr. Speaker, I am directed to inform the House of Representativ that the Senate has concurred the House of Representatives to pass the bill with the following title; House Bill 4105, togethe with the following amendment. Passed the Senate as amended June 19, 1972. Kenneth Wright, Secretary. Mr. Speaker, I am directed to inform the House of Representatives the Senate has concurred the House of Representatives to pass the bill with the following title; House Bill 4106, together with the following amendment. Passed Senate as amended, June 19, 1972. Kenneth Wright, Secretary. Mr. Speaker, I am directed to infor the House of Representatives the Senate has concurred the House of Representatives to pass the bill with the following title; House Bill 4107, together with the following amendment. Passed the Senate as amended, June 19, 1972. Kenneth Wright, Secretary. Mr. Speaker, I am directed to inform the House of Representatives the Senate has concurred the House of Rep- resentatives to pass the bill with the following title; House bill 4108, together with the following amendment. Passed the Senate as amended, June 19, 1972. Kenneth Wright, Secretary. Mr. Speaker, I am directed to inform the House of Representativ. the Senate has concurred the House of Representatives to pass the bill with the following title; House Bill 4152, together with the following amendment. Passed the Senate as amended GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 3. June, 19, 1972. Kenneth Wright, Secretary. Mr. Speaker, I am directed to inform the House of Representatives the Senate has concurred the House of Representatives to pass the bill with the following title; House Bill 4266, together with the following amendment. Passed the Senate, as amended, June 19, 1972. Kenneth Wright, Secretary. Mr. Speaker, I am directec. to inform the House of Representatives the Senate has concurred the House of Representatives to pass the bill with the following title; House bill 4445, together with the following amendment. Passed the Senate as amended, June 19, 1972. Kenneth Wright, Secretary. Mr. Speaker, I am directed to inform the House of Representatives the Senate has concurred with the House in the adoption of the following Join Resolution; Joint Resolution 144. Concurred in by the Senate, June 19, 1972. Kenneth Wright Secretary. Mr. Speaker, I am directed to inform the House of Representatives the Senate has concurred the House to pass the bills with the following title; House Bill 622, 3783, 3786, 3787, 3802, 4168, 4630 and 4644 passed by the Senate June 19, 197. Kenneth Wright, Secretary. Mr. Speaker, I am directed to inform the House of Representatives the Senate has concurred the House to pass the bill with the following title; House Bill 4642, passed by the Senate June 19, 1972. Kenneth Wright, Secretary. No further messages."
"For what purpose does the gentleman from cook, Mr. Granata rise?"
"Mr. Speaker, I move to make a motion. inadvert- ly last week Senate Bill 1281, a revenue bill, was tabled. GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESI, NTATIVES 4. be taken from the Calendar the position it was, as Senate ove." rom Union, Mr. Choate." , in as much as the Dean of concerned in as much as I deans of all times has made this ch him in this motion and would it." n favor of the gentleman's motior e 'ayes' have it. The motion's will be on Senate Bill's third in, Mr. Granata?" ght. Senate Bill's first reading. 251. An act to provide for the Les of the Department of Transpor- bill." es? House Bill 2555. Gentleman ing senate amendments 1 and 3." ver, if you could take that out se." ake it out of the record. Senate Bill 1412." 1412. Bill for an act to amend the I of the bill. No committee amendme ASSEMBLY ILLINOIS SCHTATUS 5.
"Any amendments from the floor? Third reading. What purpose does the gentleman from cook, Mr. Phillip Collins rise?"
"Ah...Mr. Speaker, ladies and gentlemen of the House, I'd like to call your attention to the fact that today we ah... have a visit ah...by the family of one of our distinguished colleagues, Edward Bluthardt. Ah...in the speakers gallery S. is Mr Bluthardt, Dorothy. Ed's Daughter-in-law Dianne and his two Grandchildren ah... Danny and Brent."
"Be at ease for just a few seconds while we get some matters worked out here. Senate Bill's Second reading Senate Bill 1290."
"Senate Bill 1290. Bill for an act to amend the 'Revenue Act.' Second reading of the bill. Ah...one committee amendment. Committee amendment no. 1 was tabled in the committee. Committee amendment no. 2. Amend Senate Bill 1290 in the House on page 1 by striking everything after line 12 and inserting in lieu thereof the following; andsoforth.'
"Gentleman from Knox, Mr. McMaster."
"Ah...gentleman I would like to ah...propose that committee amendment no. 2 be ah...adopted. And then I have a further amendment to put on the floor."
"Is there discussion? Gentleman from Bureau, Mr. Barry."
"Well, it's in the copy of the amendment Mr. Speaker, we'd like to have it or have it read in its entirety, please." A.Τ. McMaster: "Now, your talking about committee amendment no. 2, Toby?" GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 6.
"Any amendment you're putting on, Sir."
"Ah...committee amendment no. 2, I believe you were present at the committee meeting when it was put on."
"We'd like to hear it, Sir."
"Ah..the ah...committee amendment no. 2 in effect ah...would ah..provide that counties could collect the ah... cost of ah...collecting and dispursing and extending taxes from the various taxing bodies. They could collect only the cost. And this is, essentially, what the ah...committee amendment was, Toby."
"Could we have the amendment read, that's what the bill is intended to do, I realize that. But I'd like to know what the amendment does."
"Yea, read the amendment."
"Amendment no. 2. Amend Senate Bill 1290 in the House on page 1, by striking everything after line 9 and inserting in lieu thereof the following; 'Section 163.1 (a), Each county may impose upon each unit of local government and school district for which it extends, collects, or disburses taxes on property a service charge to reimburse the county for expenses incurred in the extention, collection, and disbursemer. of property taxes owed to the unit of local government or schoo district. The charge shall be the actual cost directly attribu able to the extension, collection and disbursement of property taxes on behalf of the particular unit of local government or school districts or a fraction of such actual cost. (b), charg imposed under this section shall be determined and charges to t GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 7. units of local government and school districts by the county clerk. Each unit of local government or school district upon which a charge has been imposed pursuant to this section shall provide in its annual budget for payment of such charge and shall be liable therefor to each county imposing such charges. (c), Any county may adopt ordinances providing for reimburse- ment charges, including intergovernmental agreements between the county and taxing districts within the county. (d), nothing in this section shall invalidate any ordinance, resolu- tion or intergovernmental agreement adopted or entered into by any county prior to the date this section becomes effective whi establishes a service charge upon units of local government and school districts to reimburse the county for its actual cost attributable to the extension, collection and disbursemen of taxes on property for the units of local government and school districts. (e), If any provision of this Act or the application thereof to any person or circumstance is held invalid, such invalidity does not affect other provisions for applications of this Act which can be given effect without the invalid application or provision, and to this end the provisio.. of this Act are declared to be severable. (f), This section is applicable to costs incurred by counties for the extention, collection and disbursement of property taxes payable in 1973 and every year thereafter."
"Gentleman from Bureau, Mr. Barry."
"I may speak to the amendment. Mr. Speaker, I now GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 8. recognize that this amendment puts the bill in the shape that the sponsor wants it. Its a rewritten bill in effect. As I indicated in committee I still think its an unconstitutional imposition of a real estate tax without referendum. I'm not going to oppose the amendment, however; and shall be heard again, I hope, on third reading."
"Gentleman from Franklin, Mr. Hart." Richard 0. Hart: "Ah... I would like to know, who makes the deter- mination al...of what is the actual cost?"
"Ah... Dick, this would be ah...a determination made ah...by the ah...officials of the county. Ah...it would be up to the county board to determine who ah...prepared these figures. They would have to certainly ah... be in a position of being able to justify the figures and say that these were actual costs. I think we all know that there have been variou. estimates of what the actual cost would be. Ah...I would say they would be in the neighborhood of ah...one and a half to two per cent."
"Ah...is there ah...any kind of a reviewing board set up ah... through any State Department, such as the Depart- ment of local government?"
"I know there has not been a reviewing board set up at present ah... Dick, I think this is something that we would have to determine in the future ah...perhaps ah...if each county were ah...to ah...ah...send their figures to the Department of Local Government Affairs the ah... Local Govern- ment affairs Department could ah...determine whether the costs GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 9. were justifiable , or whether they aren't. I think this would be a good idea."
"Well, I think it would be a better, and I'd like for you to give some thought to it. Than to have each matter determined by a court. If there was ah...an...in a nature of an administrative review set up somewhere I think it would facilitate the thing quite a bit. "
"I think, Dick, that you understand that counties vary a great deal throughout the state from a county the size of a 4,000 population up to the very large ones. And to make one rule of sum apply to all of them would be very difficult."
"I agree, I agree. Then this bill would apply to the 72 taxes payable in 73 and thereafter, is that right?"
"They were to pay ah...taxes collected in 1973, which of course ah...would be ah...taxes that were ah... assessed in 1972, yes."
"And each taxing district, such as the city of Galesburg or Benton or any of them, they would be then mandated to include in their appropriation ordinance and in their tax levy ordinance, a sum, would say estimate, would cover this cost."
"Ah...yea, hopefully, Dick, the ah...counties would have that figured prior to 1973, and of course, when the ah... various taxing bodies do prepare their ah...budget, they would know somewhat, what to prepare for and what to allow."
"Well, now you. know, the cities are preparing their budgets now, actually they have to be appropriation ordinance has to be adopted during the first quarter, which GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 10. begins ah...May 1st, I believe. And then the counties and townships andsoforth, have to ah...have their budgets filed, or their taxes levy ordinances, filed sometime in September. So ah...we would hope then, that the counties would be able to come up with a figure, now, or in the very near future which ah...because, as I understand your amendment it would apply to the '72 levy which are collectable in '73, so I'm wondering if the taxing districts are gonna have any information ah..upon which to base this item in the budget, and ah...tax levy ordinance?"
"Well, certainly, Dick, ah...I don't believe the counties can do anything until we ah...pass this legislation. And certainly this is why I feel that is behooves us to ah.. proceed with ah...proper haste on this and not improper haste and ah...we've got to get this ball rolling or ah...everybody has a problem."
"Now, one more question, Tom. Ah...does the amendment ah...is it mandatory on every county to do this, or does it permit them to pass an ordinance establishing this proceedure?"
"Ah...Dick, number (c), line 20 in the committee amendment says, 'any county may,.'"
"Alright, they may then by an ordinance passed by the county board ah...undertake this collection system?"
"Yes, and it is entirely optional to the counties. They do not have, its not a mandatory bill in that respect, Dick." GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 11.
"Thank you very much."
"Gentleman from cook, Mr. Palmer."
"Will the sponsor yield for a question? Mac, ah...the ah...counties now charge about 1 1/2 per cent for the cost of collection, does it not? Do they not?"
"Its a little difficult to hear you, Romie."
"The counties now charge about 1 1/2 percent or more for the cost of collection of taxes, am I right on this? By present law."
"Ah... Romie, under the ah...ah...fee system that existed prior to the December of 1971, the ah...counties were allowed 7 cents per line in the clerks office for extention of taxes which would be probably approximately 2 percent. The County Treasurer was allowed a 3 percent fee for collecting and disbursing. This would make all together a total, in my estimation, of approximately 5 per cent. As what the county have...were charging and certainly under this legislation ah...we would reduce that by approximately 3 per cent."
"Well, is the charge, is the cost that's in the amendment, is that in addition to any other provisions of the statute providing for a cost of collection?"
"Well, ah... Rommie, as you know the fee basis was done away with by the 1970 constitution and so there is not any fee for collecting and disbursing taxes at this time."
"Well, I don't know that thats true in cook, whether they still continue that or not, but I do know that in the case of Clems, vs. Kuharski, which was not a matter GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 12. under the constitution, the court held that the ah...the commi: sions that were held by the town collectors was invalid. Ah... the question is whether or not the people ah...and ah...taxing districts are going to be paying more or less under the amendment that you have,...want to put on."
"I don't see where they would be paying more, Romie, I think that ah...this is ah...cost that would come out of the present rate limitations of any taxing body. It would not be an additional tax on, or tack on above their normal rate. So I cannot see where anyone would be paying more taxes.
"Well, does your bill, does the amendment ah... repeal any statutory provisions ah...relative to the cost of collection by the county?"
"Ah...no, ah...this bill does not Romie, I have another bill, Senate Bill 1289, which I would move to third reading immediately after this one, which does in effect repeal any statements in the statute in regard to collection fees. And, I think this is necessary to clear up ah...the ah...effect of the new constitution."
"Is there a formular by which the county board assesses each ah...taxing district for the cost of collection?"
"Ah...no there is not, Romie. This is something that is up to each county to determine, I don 't think that we can provide a formular because I think that the counties are too diverse as far as the various costs of the various offices of the county. Certainly a county with only 4,000 people, the cost in the treasurers office might be altogether different GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 13. than a county with 500,000 people."
"Well, I would agree with that, but two municipal- ities of 20,000 each would not have to pay a different rate for the cost of collection ah...would seem to me."
"I think this would...again as I said, be abased upon the cost of ah...the office in the county involved, Romie, it becomes very difficult to make this ah..ah...formular a statewide formular. I think ah...there's too much variances on this, as I said."
"I might suggest, with the unbidal discretion and the county board and set down what they want to do as to cost of collection, it might very well be unconstitutional. And I think that Mr. Barry has already made that point."
"Gentleman from St. Clair, Mr. Krause."
"Well, Mr. Speaker, and ladies and gentleman of the House, I think that I can answer some of the question that have been asked here. First of all, all the taxing districts are already extending for the loss and costs of collection. So there's not going to be any additional cost to any of the taxing districts ah...to pay the cost to the county for ah...collecting and extending and distributing the taxes. Now if we don't pass some type of legislation to take care of this matter, we're going to find all the counties bankrupt. Ah...also ah...it, it would be an impossibl situation for any taxing district, to extend their loss and cost of collection and then try to collect their own taxes, extend them and so on. So if this, this now gets down to a GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 14. situation where, we're putting an amendment on the bill to allow the counties to actually charge the cost, their actual cost. Now I'm not too concerned about setting up a special review board to review whether the counties have extended their actual costs or not. I think that every school district, I think that every city, every fire district are going to be right there to see that the actual cost is what they're charying. They're not going to ah...go over this cost if they stare going over the cost, they're really going to find themselver in trouble. I think we've got another point that. we have to make here. As Tom said, the average now is about 5% for the extention and loss and cost of collection that the various taxing districts are charging to the taxpayer. The counties will get from 1 1/2 to 2% of that for this amendment. So we get to the point that the taxing districts actually are getting an increase in their taxes, because if, if the loss and cost was deleted from their collections, they'd end up with less money. So actually they're comming out in pretty good shape on this thing, and we're allowing the counties enough money to go ahead and collect the taxes, taxes and distribute them. And as I say it would be an impossible situation, I realize that its the duty of the county, under the constitution to collect and distribute the taxes, but if they couldn't do it, and each taxing district had to do it on their own they'd find themselves in real trouble too. So, it appears to me that this is the only just and fair way tojo about reimbursing the counties for this cost. It's GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 15. something that has to be done. It's something that we have to graffle with in this legislature and we need to do it right away. Ah...because as Representative Hart, brought out that some of the cities and villages are already making up their ah...budget and they're going to include the loss and costs in their budgets, they're going to levy for it. Ah... this is something that we need to do so that they can have an idea of what the cost is going to be on the county level for their particular branch of government. So I'm heartily in favor of this amendment, and I'm also heartily in favor of the entire bill. We must proceed in this manner, or we're gonna find ourselves in a real delemna eventually, and I believ that this is constitutionaly sound. I think that I've worked on this amendment as anybody in this House. Ah...I think we've gotton several opinions on this thing. Ah...and I believe that it is constitutionally sound. So, Mr. Speaker, and members of the House, I hope that this amendment is adopted to this bill."
"Gentleman from Christian, Oh... Gentleman from Knox, Mr. McMaster care to respond?"
"Gentleman, I think we are debating this amendment to a rather great extent. Ah...I would move that the amendment ah...commitee amendment no. 2 be adopted."
"Oh...the gentleman from Christian, Mr. Tipsword, have a comment for....yea well he'll withold his close for your question, I'm sure, go ahead." GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 16.
"Would the gentleman yeild for a question, please? "
"Yes, certainly Tip."
"I was wondering, is there presently in any of the bills that we have passed and the appropriations or any of the authorizations, is any of the authorizations of school or to any other areas of local government to find the replacement for these funds that would be payable over to the counties?"
" Ah...not to my knowledge, Tip, of course I think as Mr. Krause explained and I think that I have explained the ah...various taxing bodies, including school districts, if they are at the rate limitation have already ah...in effect, received a 5% increase in the ah....expendible money that they would have under their appropriation and ah...levies. And ah...certainly this is to allow the counties to recover 1 and 1/2 to 2% of that."
"I'd like to address myself to the bill and to this amendment. It appears to me that the direction in which we're proceeding here is something, of course, that the counties need. That we'd like to provide the counties with the additional funds that they necessarily need and I would agree that the Treasurers in my district have discusse with me ah...not this particular bill, but the subject matter embodied in this bill. And also all the areas of local govern ment have ah...come to me and discussed with me the losses that they would sustain. And I've especially heard from all GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES of these school districts. So I think we find ourself in a terrible delemna. And I think we may be going to ah... increase that delemna by virtue of a bill thats still pending that I'm very hopeful that we can get passed upon further consideration and that is the bill that was presented yesterda and hopefully will be presented again by Representative McCormick. Because when we put a freeze upon these taxes I'm wondering if many of these local units of government will find themselves then unable to replace this fund. I think what we should be doing, perhaps, instead of going in the direction that this amendment is pointing us, is to not only just recogni that the counties are, feel that they are in need of additional funds, but also that all of these other units of local govern- ment are very much in need of our help, they say, and I believe them. And I know there's many services they need to provide and want to provide that they cannot. I think we should be looking in the area of our resources here at the State level. And if we can provide for the counties who find themselves short and want this money that they used to receive as fees, I think we should devote ourselves to that task. I think we spend lots of money here in the state, any of us can point to many areas that we as individually feel are moneys that are wasted or moneys that could be delayed or moneys that ah... are not absolutely necessary for the welfare of the people or for the ongoing welfare of the State of Illinois as a continuing government. But that we need to, out of those fund: take the moneys that local governments come to us and tell us they must have and that they must need. Just because we have GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 18. this proceedure in the past, is certainly no reason that we should be pointing ourselves to this same proceedure in the future. At the time when we need to address ourselves to change, change so that we just don't provide the same funds in the same ways, but that we can encourage all of these governments to find means of cutting down their costs and also find new areas from which these necessary costs can be provided. And I think that the State must, basically, be the, not only the imputent for providing the reform but also the area from which we must find the funds that local governments can continue to pursue their course of action necessary for services in government of people on a local level. So I would hope that we not address ourselves to a favorable consideration of this amendment, but that we instead address ourselves to a reform of our tax and financing structure on the state and all of the local levels, and come up with an all time for all of the future, at least for the several years into the future resolution of the problems that all of these local governments, not only the counties but the school and the villages and the cities and the various special taxing districts now face. Thank you."
"The ah...gentleman from Madison, Mr. Calvo."
"Mr. Speaker, I've tried to listen to debate and I believe I've heard the answers to the other questions and most of the debate. But there's one thing that I'm still wondering about and I wonder if the sponsor would yield to one short question?" GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 19.
"Certainly I will yield."
"Sir, what I'm wondering is, we say that we're by this amendment limiting the reimbursement from all the local taxing districts ah...to the county collector to the actual cost. Is there some type of formular or is there going to be an audit, How are we going to know what his actual costs of collection are and will there be any allowance made for the counties portion of the taxes he collects. In other word, will they also pay a portion of this costs ah...accordingly to what their share of the taxes ah....are?"
"Ah..Horace, I think that we've made it very clear in the previous discussions that it is up to each county to prepare and defend their own formular of these costs. Ah... we have said that it is impossible to do this on a state wide level, due to the variance ah...between counties of their cost of operating the various offices."
"Well, in other words, this then would be, there's no particular guidelines in the bill or in the amendment?"
"Ah...no there isn't Horace, and I feel that certain that various taxing bodies ah...would force the counties to ah...have ah...a formular that is dependable and attributable only to cost. And ah...as far as the counties ah...paying a share of it, as you know, its the duty of the county to furnis these various offices, so in effect they are furnishing their share of it."
"Well, I recognize that, but I wonder if it's fair, when the counties are getting, in other words, if we re GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 20. going to take the county collectors office, all his clerical staff and his own office and everything, and of course I assume your talking about the fact that he's funished office space in the county building, but if we're going to take all of this cost and prorate them among the other taxing districts, it looks like we might have a little problem. I know that the counties portion of the taxes is not generally very great, but It would look like that in arriving at this formular they should assert a portion of his costs to the actual collection of the taxes the county does receive. Ah...however, I take it from your answer that this could be done ah...in each county. there's nothing in the bill either way to prohibit it or to ah...to set it forth, is that correct?"
"Ah...this is very true, Horace."
"Alright, thank you."
"The gentleman from Macon, Mr. Alsup."
"Well, Mr. Speaker, ladies and gentlemen, I think we find ourselves in a real delemna here and I don't think we can put it off forever until we work out some new formular of financing, because it seems to me basically unfair to allow the local taxing units to extend a rate, which would include 5% for loss and costs when we have just excused them from paying the 3% cost. Ah...I think in all fairness, if we're going to go this route, they should be limited to say 2% for the loss. Ah..otherwise, we're not doing anything for anybody. In a way, we're being somewhat unfair. Let's just say that everybody can extend a levy 5% higher than the rate. That's GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 21. in effect, what we're doing if we don't do what this bill proposes to do with its amendment."
"The gentleman from Kane, Mr. Hill. No, I'm sorry, its the gentleman from cook, Mr.Yourell."
" Thank you Mr. Speaker, I would like to comment briefly on this bill because I think it goes to the point of the argument that was established yesterday on a bill that wou ah...call up for a moritorium on taxes for two years in the State of Illinois. Its long been my feeling that a level of government cannot exhist at the expense of another level of government. And the argument was brought out yesterday, which I think is reflected in the discussion and the debate on this bill, that we are playing big brother to other areas of government and if that is so, and I think it is so in many areas, I still do not believe that any area of government can exhist because of the generosity or the irresponsibility of another level of government. Its the same situation if we're going to subsequently be the beneficiaries or be suffering fro... a federal program now being established in Washington called revenue sharing. Where all of this money is going to be placed at the disposal of local governments and state governments for disposition without any strings of tax. Well, this I thin... is irresponsibility on the part of big brother and is going to make local governments and the State Government to be put into a position where they're not going to be responsible to the electorat because they're not going to have to answer to the electorat at election time as to why they raised taxes, becaus GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 22. the time will come that we are not going to have to raise taxes in these areas of local government because the federal government and the state government is going to provide the revenue necessary for the fulfillment of those obligations. And because of that fact, we have a situation today in this bill that is going to provide for one level of government to subsidize, if you will, another area of government. Now I'm all for providing revenue for one level of government from another level of government if we're going to make replacement a reality. But I don't know if that's the case in this bill. And I would hope that those who are going to vote for the amendment and the bill will certainly establish in their own minds that very important fact. The constitution did many things in establishing the conduct of government in this state for the next ten or twenty years. And many of the things that those individuals that were responsible for making the decisior. at the convention are still concerned and still wondering if they did the right thing, as we are today and will be in subsequent days. Now I'm certain that those individuals provogated the new constitution and the rules of the govern mental ethics and the guidelines that we're going to run state government by considered all of the alternatives and had to come up with the things that they thought were best for all of the people, I'm certain that they did this. But in many areas we're charged with responsibility of finally making the determination whether that is the solution to our many problems. So I would ask that you would consider this before voting on it. GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 23.
"The gentleman from cook, Mr. Bluthardt is recognized."
"Mr. Speaker, and members of the House, I rise in opposition to this amendment as well as to the entire concept of the bill. It would seem to me that where we impose an obligation upon county government to do certain things, such as the collection of taxes, and to distribute those taxes to the various tax levying bodies, that we ought to give the count the machinery, the necessary revenue with which to work. Therefore, we ought to allow an addition tax to take care of this obligation. But in the same token, I think that the practice then of local government to add to their tax levy the percentages the 1, 1 1/2 percent for loss and cost of collection, ought to be removed, that authority ought to be removed by statute so that it would not be a duplication of taxes. Therefore, I oppose this amendment and the entire bill.
"The gentleman from St. Clair, Mr. Flinn, is recognized."
"Thank you Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, and ladies and gentlemen of the House as I rise in favor of this amendment when I came here to the legislature I came right from the county board which I had served 10 years on the St.Clair county board. When the proposition came up to eliminate the fee offices there will all kinds of problems that were present to the county board and the county officers. Now this would eliviate this problem that would permit the treasurer to collo the money he actually spent for collecting taxes. And I see GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 24. nothing wrong with the idea, it is not an additional tax for anything at all except the expense that the treasurer goes through to collect the taxes of the county. So therefore, I stand in favor of this amendment."
"The gentleman from cook, Mr. Carter, is recognized."
"Mr. Speaker, ladies and gentleman of the House, I move the previous question."
"Alright, the previous question has been moved. All those in favor say 'aye'. Opposed 'nay', the 'ayes' have it. And the motion is carried. Now we'll return to the Gentleman from knox, Mr. McMaster, to close the debate on the amendment."
"Ah...Mr. Speaker, ladies and gentlemen of the House, this is an amendment and is not the ah...final vote on this bi which will occur at third reading. Ah... I feel that it has been discussed very fully, I would move the adoption of this amendment."
"For what purpose does the gentlemen from cook, Mr. Bluthardt arise?"
"I request a roll call vote, Mr. Speaker."
"Are there five members who are requesting a roll call on this issue? Alright we'll have a roll call on this motion. The motion is that the House adopt amendment no., Committee amendment no. 2 to House Bill, Senate Bill 1290 All those in favor vote 'aye', and opposed 'nay'. Have all voted who wished? Take the record. D.J. O'Brien, 'aye'. GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 25. On this question there were 73 'ayes'. 13 'nays' and the motion prevails. Ah...member from Peoria, Mr. Day."
"As I understand the Chair has stated that the motion prevailed."
"The amendment is adopted."
"Thank you."
"Amendment No. 2, McMaster, Amend Senate Bill 1290 as amended, in Sec. 163.1 paragraph (e) by deleting the word 'act' in each of the 3 places it occurs in that paragraph, and inserting in lieu thereof the word 'section."
"Gentleman from Knox, Mr. McMaster."
"Ah...Mr. Speaker, ladies and gentlemen of the House, it was our feeling that the word act being involved in that paragraph might be misconstrued at applying to the whole revenue act. Therefore, we would like to strike the word act and substitue in its place the word section to clarify the bill further. I move the adoption of this amendmer.
"Is there discussion? Alright the gentlemen moves that amendment no. 3 to Senate Bill 1290, be adopted. All those in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay'. The amendment is adopted. Are there further amendments? Third reading." А.Т. McMaster: "Ah...Mr. Speaker, I would like to have Senate Bill 1299 called now, if I may."
"O-K the gentleman's request, Senate Bill 1289. On second reading." GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 26.
"Senate Bill 1289. An act to amend section 18 of an act concerning fees and salaries and reclassify several counties of the state with reference thereto. Second reading of the bill. No committee amendments."
"Are there any amendments from the floor? Third reading. For what purpose does the gentleman from DuPage, Mr. Schneider, arise?"
"Mr. Speaker, and members of the House, as you all know my seat mate, Jim McLendon is a hard working and conscientious man and I think the reason for that is ah.... Mrs. McLendon, who is seated in the rear Gallery ah...
I'd appreciate your acknowledge of her presence. Rep. Kenneth W. Miller: "On the order of concurrences with respect to House Bill 2684, the chair recognizes the gentlemen from cook, Mr. Regner."
"Ah...Mr. Speaker, ladies and gentlemen of the House, 2685 is a companion bill to 2684 and they both have amendments. And I would like consent to hear them together."
"Does the gentlemen have leave? Alright, we recognize Mr. Regner, with respect to House Bill 2685 on the order of concurrences."
"Ah...Mr. Speaker, Ladies and gentlemen of the House, ah...these were two of the three bills to create a race track security force in the Department of Law Enforceme Ah...the amendments the Senate put on ah...were to eliminate the investigative service revolving fund and clarify the agreement whereby racing associations will be responsible for GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES June 20, 1972 27. their own security forces which are the uniformed guards at the tracks. They are not the ah...investigative people. And under this arrangement, the money to provide the investi- gative services will be appropriated to the Department of Law Enforcement from the Agricultural Premium Fund. The Department will then build the racing association who will directly reimburse the Agricultural Premium Fund. And ah...the abolition of this revolving fund was suggested by Senator Partee's staff and was there judgement that establishing such an intermediary fund was a bad practice. And I would move for the adoption of amendment no. 1 to 2684 and amendment no. 1 to 2685."
"Is there discussion? The gentlemen from St. Clair, Mr. Krause."
"Dave, Dave, what does this do now to my ah... union members down at Cahokie and Fairmont?"
"It spells it out even more clearly than yours or my amendment did in the House, ah...Bud. It ah... specifies, each licensee shall provide and maintain his own security personell, which is the name given to the uniformed guards at the tracks."
"Alright, now in as far as their pay, they get paid from the premium, the Agricultural Premium Fund."
"No, their paid from the track, just as they are right now, Bud. The only thing paid through the Agricultura Premium Fund are the investigative people, which are from the Department of Law Enforcement." GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 5-20-78 28.
"Well, yea but Dave, Yesterday we had some discussion on the amendment that, Now all I want to do is get it straight in my mind, Dave. What really happens here is that they are paid from the Agriculture Premium Fund and then the Track is billed for that service in repaid. Is that?"
"Right, Right, and it eliminates this revolving fund that we have set up here, yea."
"So, actually their pay would come from the Agricultural Premium Fund, the Track is later billed for that amount of money and the track then must pay it back into the Agricultural Premium Fund?"
"Right."
"Yea, O-K, that's all I wanted to get straight, Thank you David.."
"Is there further discussion? Does. the gentleman care to close? Alright, the question is; shall the House concurr in Senate Amendment no. 1 to House Bill 2684 and Senate Amendment No. 1 to House Bill 2685. The clerk will take two roll calls. Those in favor vote 'aye', and opposed 'nay'. Have all voted who wished? Take the roll. Calvo, 'aye', on both roll calls. Jimmy Carter 'aye', on both roll calls. Jack Hill 'aye', on both roll calls. Toby Barry, 'aye', on both roll calls. Mr. Jaffe, 'aye', both roll calls. 126 'ayes', and no 'nays'. These two bill....on these two bills the House concurrs in the Senate Amendments. If any of the members have bills on the Senate Second reading, they might inform the chair. If they desire GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 15-20-72 29. to have them called. On the order of second reading appears Second reading, Senate Bills 1329."
"Senate Bill 1329. An act to provide for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Department of Business and Economic Development. Second reading of the bill. One committee amendment. Amend Senate Bill 1329 on page 2 by inserting after line 8 the following; Section 3 the sum of $450,000 or so much thereof as may be necessary to appropriate the Department of Business and Economic Development for promotion and related activity in connection with the developme of the 'New Illinois'."
"The gentlemen from cook, Mr. Randolph."
"An agreed amendment, Mr. speaker, and I move its adoption." Rep. KennethW. Miller: 'Is there discussion? The question is shal the Senate Amendment no. 1 be adopted. All those in favor say 'aye'. Opposed 'nay'. The 'ayes' have it and the amendmer. is adopted. Are there further amendments? Third reading. Senate Bill 1597."
"Senate Bill 1597. An act to make an appropria- tion Department of Business and Economic Development. Second reading of the bill. One committee amendment. Amend Senate Bill 1597 on page 1, section 1, line 10 by inserting after the word appropriate the following; 'from the Agricultural Premium Fund."
"The gentlemen from cook, Mr. Randolph.' GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 30.
"Ah.... Mr. Ah... Speaker, this is an agreed committee amendment. And I move the adoption of committee amendment no. 1."
"Is there discussion? The gentlemen from St. Clair, Mr. Krause."
"Paul, I wonder if you would mine explaining just exactly what that means. Your changing one word, as I understand the amendment."
"It takes the funds from the Agricultural Premium Fund instead of the General Revenue Fund."
"O-K."
"Is there further discussion? Alright the question is; shall Amendment no. 1 be adopted. All those in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay'. The amendment is adopted. Are there further amendments? Third reading. Senate Bill 1325.
"Senate Bill 1325. An act to provide for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Military and Navel Department. Second reading of the bill. No committee amendmen
"Are there any amendments from the floor? Third reading. Senate Bill 1465."
"Senate Bill 1465. Bill for an act to amend the Civil Administrative Code. Second reading of the bill. No committee amendments."
"Are there any amendments from the floor? Third reading. Senate Bill 1354."
"Senate Bill 1354. An act to make an appropria- tion to the State Treasurer for payment to banks for certain GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 31. contractual services. Second reading of the bill. No committee amendments."
"Are there any amendments from the floor? Third reading. Senate Bill 1355."
"Senate Bill 1355. An act to make an appropria- tion to State Treasurer for payment of interest on and retirement of State bond and indebted and soforth. Second reading of the bill. No committee amendments."
"Are there any amendments from the floor? Third reading. Senate Bill 1356."
"Senate Bill 1356. An act to appropriate balances of public acts. 7728 and soforth. Second reading of the bill. No committee amendments."
"Are there any amendments from the floor? Third reading. Senate Bill 1357."
"Senate Bill 1357. Bill for an act to make an appropriation to the Office of State Treasurer. Second reading of the Bill. No committee amendments."
"Are there any amendments from the floor? Third reading. Senate Bill 1582."
"Senate Bill 1582. Bill for an act to appropriate the sum of $3,700,000 to the Department of Revenue. Second reading of the bill. No committee amendments.
"Are there any amendments from the floor? Third reading. Senate Bill 1320."
"Senate Bill 1320. An act to provide for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the State Fair Agency. GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 32. Second reading of the bill. One committee amendment. Amend Senate Bill 1320 on page 2, Section 3, line 31, by deleting '$146,500' and inserting in lieu thereof '$346,500; and on page 3, by deleting lines 1 through 5 andsoforth."
"The gentlemen from Sangamon, Mr. Jones."
"Mr. Speaker, members of the House. This is the amendments approved in the appropriations committee and I now move its adoption by the House."
"Is there discussion? The question is shall committee amendment. no. 1 be adopted. All those in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay'. The 'ayes' have it, and the amendment is adopted. Are there further amendments? Third reading. Senate Bill 1321." Fredric B. Selcke: Senate Bill 1321. An act to provide for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Illinois Historical Library. Second reading of the bill. No committee amendments.
"Are there any amendments from the floor? Third reading. Senate Bill 1322."
"Senate Bill 1322. An act to make an appropria-- tion for the ordinary and contingent expenses to the University Civil Service Merit Board. Second reading of the bill. No committee amendments."
"Are there any amendments from the floor? Third reading. Senate Bill 691."
"Senate Bill 691. An act to provide matching grants for scholarship programs. Second reading of the bill. Ah...One committee amendments. Amend Senate Bill 691 GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 33. on page 2 line 15 by deleting 1972 and inserting in lieu thereof 1973."
"The gentlemen from Champaign, Mr. Clabaugh, is recognized."
"I thought that was on third reading."
"I'm informed that it is listed under third reading on the Calendar but it actually on Second reading.
"There's a committee amendment, isn't there? Well I move adoption of that committee amendment, Mr. Speaker, all it does is just makes the effective date of the ah...in 1973 in stead of 1972 because the bill was drawn for 1972 school year. Move adoption of the amendment."
"Is there discussion? The question is; shall committee amendment no. 1 be adopted. Those in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay'. The amendment is adopted. Are there further amendments? Third reading. Senate Bill 1324."
"Senate Bill 1324. An act to provide for the ordinary and contingent expenses Civil Defense Agency. Second reading of the bill. No committee amendments."
"Are there any amendments from the floor? Third reading. Senate Bill 1330."
"Senate Bill 1330. Bill for an act to provide for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Industrial Commission. Second reading of the bill. No committee amendme::
"Are there any amendments from the floor? Third reading. Senate Bill 1331." GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES Fredric B. Selcke: 34. "Senate Bill 1331. An act to provide for the ordinary and contingent expenses for the State Employees Retirement system. Second reading of the bill. No committee amendments."
"Are there any amendments from the floor? Third reading. Senate Bill 1351."
"Senate Bill 1351. An act making an appropria- tion for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Judicial Inquiry Board. Second reading of the bill. No committee amendments."
"Are there any amendments from the floor? Third reading. Senate Bill 1359."
"Senate Bill 1359. An act making a deficiency appropriation to provide for certain expenses of the State Government. Second reading of the bill. No committee amendments."
"Are there any amendments from the floor? Third reading. Senate Bill 1360."
"Senate Bill 1360. An act to provide for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Order of Public Accounts and Comptroller. Second reading of the bill. No committee amendments."
"Are there any amendments from the floor? Third reading. Senate Bill 1369."
"Senate Bill 1369. An act to provide for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Comprehensive Health Planning Agency. Second reading of the bill. Ah.. two GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 35. committee amendments. Commitee amendments no. 1 was tabled in committee. Committee amendment no. 2. Amend Senate Bill 1369 on page one line 22 by striking $150,000 and inserting in lieu therof $200,000."
"The gentleman from Lee, Mr. Shapiro."
"Ah...Mr. Speaker, ladies and gentleman of the House, ah...committee amendment no. 2 restores $50,000 to Grants to Local Comprehensive Health Planning organizations in the Senate the bill was cut approximately $222,000.. And this is a partial resoration. And I urge its adoption."
"Is there discussion? The gentleman from cook, Mr. Harold Washington."
"Will the sponsor yield for a question?, As I understand it, Representative Shapiro, there was $200,000 cut in the Senate and you added 50 in the House, is that correct?"
"Yes, there were total amount of $202,000 cut in various areas and we restored $50,000 to grants in local comprehensive agencies."
"Well, how did you arrive at the 50,000 figure when you started off with $202,000?"
"Ah... Representative Washington, the two hundred and two thousand was no in this particular line item. One hundred thousand was in this line item. We restored $50,000 we felt that that would be enough to meet the matching local. grants for all the new agencies being restored. Ah...we attempted to restore contractual services and personal service: and were unsuccessful, so we compromised on this." GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 36.
"May I ask a question? What was the response of the various local health planning agencies to the restoration of the $50,000, did they feel that they could live with that or what was their attitude?"
"It is my opinion that they can and are agreeable
"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Douglas, is recognized."
"Ah... Representative Shapiro, ah... I'd like to ask a question or two. Dave, does this affect, does this money affect the development of new so called B Agencies in local or regional areas as well as in creased funding for those that already exist?"
"Ah...this, this is the line item that provides the matching dollars that the local agencies will raise them- selves. The $50,000 restoration. It brings it to $200,000."
"Ah...I'm a little confused about the nature of House Bill 2653, which is still sitting over at the Senate. We may ultimately get it back here in somewhat revised form. Is this matter effected by Senate Actions on 2653, Dave, do you know?"
"Yes, I know what you are referring to and I would say actually, no. Because there is adequate funds here to take care of 2653 if it becomes law."
"Is there further discussion? The question. is shall Amendment no. 2, committee amendment no. 2 a be adopted. Those in favor vote 'aye', those opposed 'nay'. The 'ayes' have it and the amendment is adopted. Are there GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES further amendments? Third reading. Senate Bill 1371."
"Senate Bill 1371. An act to make an appropra- tion for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Office of Leutenant Governor. Second reading of the bill. Ah... no committee amendments."
"Are there any amendments from the floor?"
"Amendment no. 1, Nolan, Amend Senate Bill 1371 on line 10, by striking 119,950 and inserting in lieu 99,620. and on line 12 by striking 7860 and inserting in lieu 5950, Line 14 by striking 2700 and inserting in lieu 2600 and line 15 by striking 1800 and inserting in lieu thereof 1200. Line 16 by striking 17300 and inserting in lieu thereof 20,000. And on line 17 by striking 2400 and inserting in lieu 3000 andsoforth."
"The gentleman from Stark, Mr. Nolan, is recognized."
"Mr. Speaker, and members, since become a candida. for the office of Leutenant Governor, I've been asked what I saw as the roll and functions of this new office of Leutenant governor and so I have addressed my self to the New office of Leutenant governor and in so doing, analyzed the budget propos. for the office of Leutenant governor and in this amendment proposed reducing the request for the office of leutenant Governor by approximately 10% in the upcoming fiscal year. I feel this can be accomplished, and still allow that new Office of Leutenant Governor to become an effective and vital arm of the executive Branch. This is a new office, there are certain functions which will no longer be performed GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 38. For example, there is not longer a need for a parlaimentarian and administrative assistant to the Leutenant Governor, in that that office no longer will serve that legislative roll in the Senate. I also believe that ah...certain other persone? reductions can be accomplished, and that ah...the office of leutenant governor can be an effective vital arm of the executive branch. And so I offer this amendment, ah...to the ah...budget proposal, which would reduce the appropriation request for that office by approximately 10%."
"Is there discussion? The gentleman from cook, Mr. Lechowicz"
"Thank you Mr. Speaker, ladies and gentlemen of the House, Senate Bill 1371 was heard in the appropriations committee in the Present Leutenant Governor Paul Simon came in and testified in behalf of his budget. In turn there were no recommendations for any cut backs in the existing budget, in fact this years request is identical to last years appropriatic. except for a $220 reduction in operation of automotive equip- ment. We all know its a campaign year, but in tern I think we should appropriate the necessary funds that the present Leuten- ant governor thinks is adequate to fulfill the functions of that office. We understand that Representative Nowlan is a candidate for that office, and in turn, if he thinks that this amount of money, that the amendment that he's offering as far as a reduction in this office at the present time, all he has to do is lapse the money and inturn come in with the reduced appropriation for next years budget. I strongly GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS USE OF REPRESENTATIVES oppose this amendment, I hope its defeated." 39.
"The Gentleman from Franklin, Mr. Hart."
"I'd like to ask the sponsor of the amendment a question. Ah....have you discussed this amendment with ah....either Paul Simon or members of his staff?"
"Yes, Dick, I talked at ength with Craig Levitt, who was for a couple of years an administrative assistant to Governor Simon, and I did actually make changes in what was originally a greater reduction proposal and did except some of his recommendations for certain line items here. Actually increasing a couple of line items to reflect actual expenditures rather than previous ah...appropriation requests for those lines."
"And is this amendment exceptable to the office of the Leutenant Governor?"
"I honestly have never received word one way or another. I would make it clear, Dick, as I think you know, this proposal would in no way effect the remianing six months of the office of Leutenant Governor and I specifically made that clear ah...to Craig Levitt when I talked with him, that it was not in any way to effect the operations of that office."
"Well, I ah... I guess I misunderstood, I thought that ah...the amendment was agreeable and before we proceed wit it I would like to ah....go talk to him about it. I....its a matter, I guess, I kind of got balled up on. I had assumed that everybody was in agreement on it. Apparently that's not true and I'd like to take this bill out of the record at this GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 40. time and see if we can't work it out."
"That certainly is acceptable to me, Dick, and as I said I did talk with Craig and ah... yet I haven't talked with Paul Simon about it, and I think that's reasonable."
"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker, would you pull this bill out of the record at this time please?"
"Take Senate Bill 1371 out of the record. Senate Bill 1398."
"Senate Bill 1398: An act to make an appropria- tion to the Secretary of State for state grants for public library systems. Second reading of the bill. No committee amendments."
"Are there any amendments from the floor? Third reading. Senate Bill 1328."
"Senate Bill 1328. An act to provide for the ordinary and contingent expenses to local governmental law enforcement training board. Second reading of the bill. One committee amendment. Amend Senate Bill 1328 on page 1 section 1 line 16, by deleting $22,000, and inserting in lieu thereof, $18,000, andsoforth."
"Gentleman from cook, Mr. Regner."
"Ah... Speaker, ladies and gentlemen of the House, This is a committee amendment. It reduces the ah...appropriatic requested by $85,00 and I would move for the adoption of committ amendment no. 1 to Senate Bill 1328."
"Is there discussion? The question is shall Senate Amendment no. 1 to ... Committee amendment no 1 GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 41. Senate Bill 1328 be adopted. Those in favor say 'aye', those opposed 'nay'. And the amendment is adopted. Are there further amendments? Third reading. Senate Bill 1400."
"Senate Bill 1400. An act to make an appropria-- tion to the Secretary of State. Second reading of the bill. No committee amendments."
"Are there any amendments from the floor? Third reading. Senate Bill 1439."
"Senate Bill 1439. An act to provide for the ordinary and contingent expenses Department of Mines and Minerals Second reading of the bill. One committee amendments. Amend Senate Bill 1439 on page 2, Section 1, line 9, by deleting '$47,500' and inserting in lieu thereof '$102,000'; andsoforth."
"The gentleman from Wayne, Mr. Blades is recognized."
"The amendment, ah...Mr. Speaker and ladies and gentlemen of the House, merely puts back ah...the ah...ah... money that was taken out as far as land reclemation was concerned. Since a year ago we transferred that from the Conservation Dept. to the Mines and Minerals and this puts the money in for the operation of the Mines and Minerals. Move the adoptionof the amendment."
"Is there discussion? The question is; shall committee amendment no. 1 to Senate Bill 1439 be adopted. All those in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay'. And the amendment is adopted. Are there further amendments. Third reading. Senate Bill 1394." GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 42. Fred:ic B. Selce: "Senate Bill 1394. Appropriation for State Library Building. Second reading of the bill. No committee amendments.". Rep Kennet 1: W. Miller: "Are there any amendments from the floor? Third reading. Senate Bill 1327."
"Senate Bill 1327. An act to provide for the ordiasy and contingent expenses for the Office of the Commissic er ofvings and loan. Second reading of the bill. One committee amendment. Amend Senate bill 1327 on page 1, line 10 by daleting 631,500 and inserting in lieu thereof $650,334; andsoforth."
"The gentleman from cook, Mr. P.W. Collins.
"Ah.....Mr. Speaker ladies and gentlemen of the House Ah...committee amendment no. 1 ah...restores ah...portion of the cut in this appropriation that was made in the Senate. The restoration ah...would be ah... for the employement of returning Viet Nam Veterens in a training program. I...this amendment was adopted unanimously in the appropriations committee and I would offer and move for the adoption of amendment no. 1"
"Is there discussion? The question is shall committee amendment no. 1 be adopted. All those in favor say 'aye', those opposed 'nay'. The 'ayes' have it and the amendment is adopted. Are there further amendments? Third reading. Senate Bill 1463."
"Senate Bill 1463. An act to make an appropriat to the Teachers Retirement System. Second reading of the bill. No committee amendments." GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES Rep. Kenneth W. Miller: "Are there any amendments from the floor? Third reading. Senate Bill 1572."
"Senate Bill 1572. An act to make an appropria- tion to the Secretary of State. Second reading of the bill. No committee amendments."
"Are there any amendments from the floor? Third reading. Senate Bill 1484."
"Senate Bill 1484. An act to provide for the ordinary and contingent expeses of Clerk of the Appelet Court of the first District. Second reading of the bill. One committee amendment. Amend Senate Bill 1484 on page 1, section 1, by deleting $241,500 and inserting in lieu thereof; $221,00 andsoforth."
"The gentleman from cook, Mr. D.J. O'Brien
"Yes, Mr. Speaker, this amendment reduces by $20,000 the appropriation for the appelett court of the first district. The reduction was deemed necessary and appropriate because the additional employees hired would only be serving half the year under this appropriation instead of the full year. So it is reduced by one half of the additional employees expenses. I'd ask for adoption of the amendment."
"Is there disucussion? The question is shall committee amendment no. 1 be adopted. All those in favor say 'aye'. Opposed 'nay'. The 'ayes' have it. The amendment is adopted. Are there further amendments? Third reading. Senate Bill 1483."
"Senate Bill 1483. An act to provide for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Clerk of the Appellat GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 44. court of the fourth District. Second reading of the bill. No committee amendments."
"Are there any amendments from the floor? Third reading. Senate Bill 1482."
"Senate Bill 1482. Bill for an act to provide for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Clerk of the Appellat court of the Second District. Second reading of the bill. No committee amendments."
"Are there any amendments from the floor? Third reading. Senate Bill 1481."
"Senate Bill 1481.. Bill for an act to make an appropriation for the expenses of the Clerk of the Appellet Court of the fifth district. Second reading of the bill. No committee amendments."
"Are there any amendments from the floor? Third reading. Senate Bill 1480."
"Senate Bill 1480. An act to provide for the ordinary and contingent expenses Clerk of the Appellet court of the Third district. Second reading of the bill. No committe amendments."
"Are there any amendments from the floor? Third reading. Senate Bill 1527."
"Senate Bill 1527. Bill for an act to make an appropriation to certain Retirment benefits for teachers. Second reading of the bill. Ah... No committee amendments."
"Are there any amendments from the floor? Third reading. Senate Bill 1552." GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 45.
"Senate Bill 1552. An act to make an appropria. tion to the Metropolitan Fair and Exposition Authorities. Seco: reading of the bill. No committee amendments."
"Are there any amendments from the floor? Third reading. Senate Bill 1553."
"Senate Bill 1553. "An act for making a suple- mental appropriation of the Illinois Veteren's Commission. Second reading of the bill. No committee amendments."
"Are there any amendments from the floor? Third reading. Senate Bill 1560."
"Senate Bill 1560. An act to make an appropria-. tion to certain ordinary and contingent expenses to State Government. Second reading of the bill. No committee amendmen
"Are there any amendments from the floor?"
"Amendment no. 1, Washburn, amend Senate Bill 1560 on page 1, by striking line 27, and inserting in lieu thereof the following, andsoforth!"
"The gentleman from Grundy, Mr. Washburh, is recognized."
"Ah...thank you Mr. Speaker, and ladies and gentleman of the House. Ah...Senate Bill 1560 is ah...a companion bill of Senate Bill 1566. And this amendment will bring it into line with Senate Bill 1566. An amendment to be attached, I move for its adoption."
"Is there discussion? The question is shall amendment no.1 To Senate Bill 1560 be adopted? All those in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay', and the 'ayes' have it. GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES And the amendment is adopted. Are there further amendments?"
"Amendment no. 2, Washburn, amend Senate Bill 1560 on page 1, line 11, by deleting $170,900 and inserting in lieu thereof $85,450. And soforth."
"Gentleman from Grundy, Mr. Washburn."
"ah...Mr. Speaker, and ladies and gentlemen of the House amendment no. 2 corrects an oversight in the bill. Ah...appropriating money for the National Governor's Conference, National Conference of State Legislative Leaders, and National Society of State Legislators, and Advisory Commission on Inter- Governmental Relations. And I move for the adoption of amendment no. 2 to Senate Bill 1560."
"Is there discussion. The question is shall Amendment no. 2 to Senate Bill 1560 be adopted. All those in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay'. And the amendment is adopted. The gentleman from Grundy, Mr. Washburn is recognized."
"Ah...Yes, Mr. Speaker, there may be further amendments to this bill and I would request that it would be held on second reading for the time being please."
"Does the gentleman have leave? Alright, the Senate Bill 1560 will be held on the order of second reading. Senate Bill 1562."
"Senate Bill 1562. An to provide the ordinary and contingent expenses of the General Assembly. Second reading of the bill. Two committee amendments. Amendment no. 1. Amend Senate Bill 1562 on page 2, by deleting line 21 and inserting in lieu thereof 'assistants;" GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 47.
"The gentleman from cook, Mr. Regner."
"Ah...Mr. Speaker, ladies and gentleman of the House, amendment no., well right now for ah...expenses and the hiring of staff people and that, they have to be approved by the speaker. What this does is break it down that the ah... speaker will approve the ah..people hired on the staff on the majority side, and the Minority leader will have the point of authority ah...for those people on the ah...hired by the minority staff. And its agreed on and asked for by the leader- ship on both sides. And I move for the adoption of amendment no. 1 to Senate Bill 1562."
"Is there discussion? The question is shall committee amendment no. 1 to Senate Bill 1562 be adopted. All those in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay'. The 'ayes' have it. The amendment is adopted."
"Committee amendment no. 2. Amend Senate Bill 1562 on page 3, section 2, line 16 by deleting 165,000and inserting in lieu thereof 225,000 andsoforth."
"The gentleman from cook, Mr. Regner:"
"Ah...Mr. Speaker, ladies and gentleman of the House, Amendment no. 2 adds 60,000 dollars ah...in the bill for staffing of the Majority appropriations committee staff and 55,000 dollars additional for the appropriations committee on the minority side. And I move for the adoption of amendment no. 2 to Senate Bill 1562."
"Is there discussion? Alright, the questio is shall committee amendment no. 2 to Senate Bill 1562 be adopt GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 48. All those in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay'. The 'ayes' have it and the amendment is adopted. Are there further amendments? Third reading. Senate Bill 1583."
"Senate Bill 1583. Bill for an act to make an appropriation for the Expenses of the Department of Revenue. Second reading of the bill. No committee amendments."
"Are there any amendments from the floor? Third reading. Senate Bill 1575."
"Senate Bill 1575. An act to provide for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Joliet Marquet Tri- Centennial Commission. Second reading of the bill. No committc. amendment."
"Are there any amendments from the floor? Third reading. Senate Bill.....Committee Reports."
"Mr. Soderstrom, from the Committee on Elementa and Secondary Education to which Senate Bill 1548 was referred, reported the same back with the recommendation that the bill do pass. No further reports."
"Alright, Ah...we're going to break here but before I recognize the gentleman from cook Mr. Hyde, The gentle- man from cook, Mr. Regner, wants to announce a ah...a committee meeting."
"Ah...first of all, Mr. Speaker, I'd like to ask for unanimous consent to suspend rule 17 which is the 7 day posting notice for ah...committees so that the appropriations committee can hear certain bills today, and I'll read those numbers off prior to move to suspend rules. House Bill 4688, GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES and then Senate Bills 1319, 1323, 1337, not 1337, 1425, 1433 1511, 1535, 1542, 1555, 1593, and 1606."
"Gentleman from cook, Mr. Lechowicz."
"Thank you Mr. Speaker, Dave, I followed you up to Senate Bill 1511, would you give me the other numbers?
"Ah...1535, 1542, 1555, 1593, 1606."
"Thank you."
"Gentleman from cook, Mr. Hyde."
"Well, Mr. Speaker, ladies and gentleman of the House ah...I'm going to move ah...that we recess ah...for a period of time. And immediately upon our return from the recess there will be a conference on, I'm informed there will be a democratic conference too, although Mr. Choate will so inform you. But in any event there will be conferences so the members will be apprised of any developements. I now move, Mr. Speaker, that this House stand in recess until the Hour of 2:30 this afternoon."
"Alright, now hold it just a moment. The gentleman from cook, Mr. Regner, for what purpose do you rise?"
"Ah..Henry, are we going to go to conference when we come back at 2:30? Well, then I would like to announce that the appropriations committee will meet on the floor of the House 15 minutes after we recess ah...now."
"Gentleman from cook, Mr. Lechowicz."
"Yes, Mr. Speaker, I was wondering if the chairman ah...according to the calendar is suppose to meet in 212, is that still available, I'd rather have it in 212." GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 50.
"I don't know if it was available, and rather than check, since this is a quick decision on this recess, I thought we'd just use the floor of the House and stay right here ah...Ted."
"Alright, fine, thank you."
"Gentleman from Union, Mr. Choate."
"Well, Mr. Speaker, I'd like to advice the democratic members that we will have a conference ah...when the recess is over at approximately 2:30 and I would ask them to be on time so that we might have a conference and get back on the floor of the House and dispense with legislative business What will our room be Mr. Speaker, do you know yet?"
"Well, we'll have to announce that when we get back on the floor."
"It really doesn't matter because we'll be coming back into session prior to the conference."
"Right. Alright, all those in favor of the gentleman's motion that we stand in recess say 'aye', opposed 'nay'. And we will be in recess until the hour of 2:30 p.m. Alright, the doorkeeper will see that those persons not entitled to the floor are removed therefrom."
"House bills' second reading. House Bill 4614."
"House Bill 4614. Bill for an act to provide the orderly and efficient economic financing acquisition for the Construction and Developement of the State of Illinois Departments Authorities, Public Corporations, Commissions, Boar GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 51. agencies, universities and colleges and junior colleges of capital facilities consisting of building structures and equip- ment as well. The acquisition of real estate in connection therewith ansoforth. Second reading of the bill. One committec amendment. Amendment no. 1. Amend House Bill 4614 on page 3, line 20, by striking the period and inserting in lieu thereof; 'provided however, that nothing in this subparagraph shall be construed to require or permit the acquisition of facilities financed by the Illinois Building Authority through the issuance of bonds."
"Gentleman from will, Speaker Blair."
"Mr. Speaker, ah...this is a committee amendment ah...which was put on the bill to clarify that the Illinois Building Authority is in fact, to stay in business solely for the purpose, thought, to continue to retire its outstanding debt. And there was...that was the intent in the bill when it was submitted, and in order to make that positively clear we added this amendment in committee. So I would ah...offer and move the adoption of committee amendment no. 1."
"Is there any discussion? Gentleman has offered to move the adoption of amendment no. 1 to House Bill 4614. All in favor of the adoption signify by saying 'aye', opposed 'no'. The amendment is adopted. Are there further amendments?"
"Amendment no. 2 Choate, Amend House Bill 4614 on page 1, line 5, after the word 'and' and inserting the word 'durable'; and in line 23 after the word 'improvements', by GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 52. inserting the word 'architectural'; and in line 25 after the word 'structures' by inserting the word'durable'; and on line 31 after the word 'improvement' by inserting the word 'architec' ural' and on page 2 line 7 andsoforth."
"Gentleman from Union, Representative Choat.
"Well, Mr. Speaker, ladies and gentleman of the House this amendment is intended to do only one thing, that as I pointed out in committee much of the monies of this bond issue was to be spent on items that had no more of a life than one or two or three years. And I wanted to make positive that if the money that the taxpayers was going to pay interest on for approximately 30 years was going to buy items that it would be fore the life of the bonds as near aspossible as the reason for the word durable. As far as the word architectural being inserted, it simply clarifies the fact that the planning by the committees commission will be fore architechtural planning only and not...."
"Representative Lechowicz, for what purpose do you rise sir?"
"Mr. Speaker, this is probably one of the most important series of bills we're going to be hearing this session, I'd appreciate a little order."
"...that it was not intended for educational planning at any of the Universities in any manner whatsoever, but was for architectural planning only. On page 4 line 17, we strike after the words bonds by striking the period and inserti the following/'provided that at no one time shall bonds in the GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 53. excess amount of 150 million dollars be offered for sale. In other words, we're attempting to provide by this amendment the fact that there will not be a large surplus of bonds in exhistance and maybe through inadvertency costing the tax- payers interest on money that is not being used, so I would move for the adoption of this amendment, Mr. Speaker."
"Gentleman from Will, Speaker, Blair."
"Well Mr. Speaker, just let me say this, ah... this amendment of Representative Choates ah...is certainly in good order, ah...we intend that the bonds, in so far as equipment is concerned that those should ah...have a life expectancy of that of the length of the bonds. And I think that his suggestion about adding the word durable in here will take care of that situation. And certainly the addition of the word architectural will clarify that ah...no educational rprogram planning is being placed in the agency. And ah...last but certainly not least ah... the limitation in the amount that can be issued at any one time of 150 million dollars is agreeabl. So I would join with him in urging the ah...adoption of, for amendment no. 2 to House Bill 4614."
"Is there further discussion? Does the gentleman wish to close? If not, the gentleman has offered to move the adoption of amendment no. 2 to House Bill 4614. All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', opposed 'nay'. The amendment is adopted. Are there further amendments? Third reading. House Bill 4615."
"House Bill 4615. " GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: 54. "Representative Lechowicz, for what purpos do you rise sir?"
"Thank you Mr. Chairman, I thought when this bill was heard in committee previously and came out of committee. There was suppose to be the possibility of asking questions on all of these three bills and I was trying to be recognized for that purpose."
"I'm sorry sir, Representative Blair, for what purpose do you rise sir?'"
It Robert Blair: "Well, ah... I'll be happy to answer any and all questions ah...concerning the substance of the bills. might be a good approach to do it, thought on third reading when we get there. At that time I will answer any and all questions, now we're just offering these amendments ah...to the bills to have them in shape for consideration on third. But I will answer any and all questions you have at that time."
"Is that alright, sir?" Fredric B. Selckė: "House Bill 4615. A bill for an act to provide for a appropriation to State Treasurer for payment of interest and principal on certain bonds issued or to be isued under the Capitol development bond act of 1972. Second reading of the bill. No committee amendments."
"Are there amendments from the floor? Third reading. House Bill 4616."
"House Bill 4616. Bill for an act to amend section 5 an acclamation of State finance. of the bill. No committee amendments." GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS Second reading 55.
"Are there amendments from the floor? Third reading. House Bill 4617."
"House Bill 4617. Bill for an act creating the Capitol Developement Board defining its powers and duties and make an appropriation in connection therewith. Second reading of the bill. One committee amendment. Amend House Bill 4617 on page 1, line 3 after the word...."
"Gentle man from will, Speaker, Blair."
"Mr. Speaker, ah..we've had to add to the committe amendment no. 1 which was adopted in committee. And for that reason at this time I would, in order to get to amendment no. 2 which includes in it everything thats in the one and adds some things I would offer and move you the adoption of committee amendment no. 1 and then I would move to table that amendment."
"Gentleman has moved the adoption of amendment no. 1 to House bill 4617. All in favor of the adoptic signify by saying 'aye', opposed 'no'. The amendment is adopted. The gentleman now moves that amendment no. 1 be tabled. All in favor of the gentleman's motion to table signify by saying 'aye', opposed 'no'. The amendment is tabled. Are there further amendments?"
"Ah...amendment no. 2, Blair, amend House Bill 4617 on page 1 andsoforth."
"Gentleman from Will, Speaker Blair."
"Alright, this basically is a clarifying amendmen' Ah...It was placed on in committee and subsequent to that occuring in order to facilitate a concern which had been raised GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 56. by our institutions of higher learning we provided in this amendment no. 2 that in connection with any such projects for those institutions that the architects and engineers retain for the project. And the plans and specifications for the proj must be approved by both the governing board and the board before undertaking either design or construction of the project. With this amendment it is my understanding thatah...we have satisfied the concerns expressed by the chief administrative officials of ah... the various universities and ah...also the board of governors and the board of regents. In addition ah... to that point we are striking from this ah...ah...bill the appropriation of 100,000 dollars we have put in subsequent to committee action a seperate bill that just contains the approp- riation so that it will be clear that we are just appropriating and nothing else and did not have it in 4617. So if that explaination, I would offer and move the adoption of floor amendment no. 2."
"Is there any discussion? Gentleman has offerd to move the adoption of amendment no. 2 to House Bill 4617. All those in favor of the adoption signify by saying'aye' opposed 'no'. The amendment is adopted. Are there further amendments?"
"Ah...amendment no. 3, Harold Washington, amend House Bill 4617 as amended on page 5 by adding the following section to article 1; section 10.12 as the general supervisor andsoforth."
"Gentleman from cook, Representative Harold Washington." GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 57.
"Ah..Mr. Speaker, members of the House, amendme. no. 3 simply makes it very clear that the board will be under the curvew and guided by the Fair Employment Practice Commissio: Act and specifically by the Contract Compliance Section of that act. It is my understanding that both sides of the aisle have approved this amendment. And I move its adoption."
"Is there any discussion? Gentleman has offerd to moved the adoption of amendment no. 3 to House Bill 4617. All those in favor of the adoption signify by saying 'aye', opposed 'no'. The amendment is adopted. Are there further amendments. Third reading. House Bill 4683."
"House Bill 4683. Bill for an act to make an appropriation for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Capitol Development Board. Second reading of the bill. No committee amendments."
"Are there any amendments from thefloor? Third reading. Representative O'Hallaran for what purpose ap you rise, Sir?"
"Question to the sponsor , Mr. Speaker."
"He indicates he'll yield a little belated but he'll yield."
"I was away from my desk, Mr. Speaker, I understand, is there an amendment on these bills concerning the prohibition of buying the IBA building?"
"Yes, ah...that was amendment no. 1 ah...to the first bill in this series, 4614 and we made it clear that the IBA is ah... will be staying in business ah solely for the GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 58. for the purpose of retiring its existing obligation."
"and one more if you will, what about these buildings built by ah..school, the school building commission? Are they in this amendment?"
"Yes, the school building commission, of course, in distinction to the situation concerning the IBA, will be going out of business and their obligations will be coming under ah...the ah...agency." Gerard J. O'Halleren; "Thank you."
"House Bills third reading. 4247."
"House Bill 4247. An act to provide for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Attorney General, Third reading of the bill."
"The gentleman from cook, Mr. Regner."
"Ah..Mr. Speaker, ladies and gentleman of the House, ah...this is the annual appropriation for the ordinary and contingent expenses for the ah... Attorney General and it appropriates $7,500,100. Also appropriates $201,935 to the Attorney general for rentals to the Illinois Building Authority. And I'd ask for a favorable vote on this bill."
"Discussion? Gentleman from cook, Mr. Downes.
"Mr. Speaker, can we have a little order so we can know whats going on?"
"Discussion? Alright, the question is shall House Bill 4247 pass? All those in favor will vote 'aye', and the opposed 'no'. Have all voted who wished? The clerk will take the record. On this question there are 143 'ayes', GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 59. 6 'nays'. And this bill having received a constitutional majority is hereby declared passed. Mann, 'aye'. Londrigan, 'aye'. Bradley 'aye'. 4182."
"House Bill 4182. An act to provide for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Department of General Services. Third reading of the bill."
"Gentleman from cook, Mr. J.J. Wolf."
"Well, Mr. Speaker, members of the House, this is the ordinary and contingent expenses ah...for the Department of General Service and it ah...represents a $635,700 cut which was put on by amendment and I ask for a favorable vote."
"Discussion? Question is shall House Bill 4182...Gentleman from cook, Mr. Lechowicz."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the sponsor yield to a question? Representative Wolf, how much in this budget is allocated for the Illinois Information Service? The section within this department."
"Well, Ted, this bill came up very fast, I didn't get a chance to pull it out but you asked quite a few questions in the Appropriations Comittee, I'm sure you can answer that better than I can."
"Well, I just wanted to make sure my figures are correct. I know we had adopted an amendment of a reduction of 5 to 6 hundred thousand dollars, but in turn I also made mention of the fact that I was very displeased with this type of an operation being under the General Services. When its a direct arm for publicity for the governor of this State. GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 60. Now, if we're going to publicize the facts as far as what the Governor is doing or his varies proposals, I personally believe that this information service division should be under the executive budget. Now I asked a proper question, I'd like to have a proper answer."
"Well, I gave you a pretty good answer, if you'd just tell me what line its on I could tell you."
"Further discussion?"
"I don't have an answer yet, Mr. Speaker."
"Ted, if you could tell me what page and line that particular item is. I've got the amendment here in front of me and I know you usually do your homework that's why I thought you could answer your own question better than I could."
"Well, Mr. Speaker, I'd like to speak to the budget. Mr. Speaker...."
"Alright, go ahead."
"Thank you Mr. Speaker, ladies and gentleman of the House, in the appropriations committee, its true that we have...we did discuss the overall appropriation for the Departme: of General Services...."
"$528,000."
"But in reality I think what we should look at is as far as the $528,000 expenditure contained within this budget for an Illinois Informations Service Division within the Department of General Services. Its an agency that is used specifically for the public relations of the Governor. I asked the Director of that specific agency how many employees he has GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 61. in other departments. I never did receive an answer to that question. I'm not going to vote. against the appropriation for the General Services Department, per say, but as I stated in the Appropriations committee, I think we will flag this budget for the Senate and then in turn ask them to prepare a proper amendment so that this information service section be resubmitted to the executive budget. Looking at the Press releases that they have, the various broadcasts that they have submitted throughout the state, the newspapers and other printed material in my opinion it is improperly placed within general services. Thank you Mr. Speaker."
"The gentleman from cook, Mr. Carroll."
"Would the sponsor yield to a question or two? Representative Wolf, ah... Representative Lechowicz started on a point that I've had alot of communications on also and that is the operations and functions of the information service, the Illinois Information Service. Is it correct that the Illinois Information Service does have the use and is presently using employees that are not covered within this specific budget under general services, budgeted to IIS?"
"Representative Carroll, I'm sorry, I only heard about half of what you said."
"Could we have a little order, Mr. Speaker. Thank you. My question, Mr. Wolf, deals, Representative Wolf, deals with the IIS portions of the General Service budget. It has been brought to my attention on several occasions that there are numberous people working for IIS who are not covered under this budget under General Services under the IIS portions GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 62. of General .rvices. Do you have any listings of who else they are paying and under what budgets? And why they are not under this budget under IIS's own budget if that's the job that they ar performing?"
"Ah...no I can't give you ah...an answer on that and should I have to agree with ah...the previous gentleman, Representative Lechowicz, that all departments, no matter who they are since apply an...members of the appropriations staff with the correct answers. I have assumed that he had gotton those answer previously. However...."
"What purpose does the gentleman from Union, Mr. Choate, Rise?"
"Well, in as much as I'm listening to this testi- mony, Mr. Speaker, and in as much as requests for information was made to this agency for an extended period of time, I would ask you to take this bill out of the record and advise the Director of that Agency to give the information to the appropriations committee staff where they are doing an admirable job and I resent that fact that they haven't supplied this information."
"Gentleman from cook, Mr. J.J. Wolf."
"Well, Mr. Speaker, ah... I've been advised that the information was supppose to be sent over to the staff up there, and I'm kind of surprised to find out that that information has not been received."
"Gentleman from cook, Mr. Lechowicz." GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 63.
"Mr. Speaker, what the gentleman stated is correct, but the information was not complete. I sat down and tried to review everything that was submitted to our staff. We went through the various news released that... Press release. I should say, that they submitted to us, reems and reems of paper. But my question as far as the total number of people that they have in these various agencies does not agree, does not agree to the count that we have from these respective agencies. I have asked my staff to contact the man in charge of the Illinois Information Service and see where the discrepanc lies. Jake, I know we had alot of discussion about this specific section of this budget in the appropriations committee but unfortunately the answers have not been in total."
"Well, Mr. Speaker, in the interest of time, either one of two things; either we take it out of the record, of if they would be agreeable to pass it out and get the one or two remaining questions taken care of."
"Why don't we, why don't we take it out of the record ah...for a short bit here while the information that they have requested is being furnished by that department."
"O-K, House Bills second reading." House bill 3546, you want that out of the record, Representative Shapiro? Now we're going to call all the House bills on second reading right now to see if we can get those bills moved which the sponsors wish to have moved. House Bill 3....House Bill 4214." GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 64. Fredric B. Selcke. "House Bill 4214. Bill for an act to amend the Income Tax Act. Second reading of the bill. One committee amendment. Amend House Bill 4214 on page 1, line 13, by deleting the base, and inserting in lieu there of 'base'; and on line 14 by inserting immediately after 'shall' the following 'for that part of the year...."
"Do you want that out of the record? Take that out of the record. House Bill 4264."
"House Bill 4264. Bill for an act...."
"Take that out of the record. House Bill 4654."
"House Bill 4654. Bill for an act to make an appropriation to the Department of Conservation. Second reading of the bill, no committee amendments."
"Are there amendments from the floor? Third reading. House Bill 4660."
"House Bill 4660. Bill for an act to amend the Juvinile Court Act. Second reading of the bill..."
"Do you want that out of the record, Representative Lindberg? Take that out of the record. House Bill 4679."
"House Bill 4679."
"Take that out of the record for a second, Mr. Clerk. House Bill 4608."
"House Bill 4608. Bill for an act to make an appropriation for Transportation and bond fund series, via the office of the Superintendent of Public Instruction. Second GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 65. reading of the bill. One committee amendment. Amend House Bill 4608 on page 1, line 10, by striking $7,638,622 and inserting in lieu thereof; $6,416,782."
"Gentleman from cook, Representative Scariano."
"No amendments Mr. Speaker."
"There's a committee amendment ah... Representative Scariano, do you wish to move its adoption?"
"I will move the committee adoption. The adoption of the committee amendment, I'm sorry."
"Gentleman from DuPage, Representative Hoffman."
"Ah...Mr. Speaker, I just walked in on the floor from the ah...telephone. Ah...I wonder if the gentleman who is handeling the bill would ah..explain what the amendment does?"
"Mr. Speaker, I'm sorry to say, but I didn't handle this in committee and I don't know what this amendment does. Now, perhaps if the sponsor of the amendment will explain. I'm not sure what it does, I'm handeling these bills for superintendent Bikalis."
"Representative Simmons, for what purpose do you rise Sir?"
"Well, the amendments very short. On page 1 line 10 reduces the amount from $7,638,622 to $6,416,000 so its a reduction of about $1,200,000."
"Gentleman from DuPage, Representative Hoffman." GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 66.
"Mr. Speaker, who is the sponsor of the amendment?"
"That was a committee amendment, Representa tive Hoffman."
"Representative Hart. Representative Hart, I wonder if Representative Hart or someone else could explain the ah.. reduction figure?"
"Representative Hart, for what purpose do you rise sir?"
"Ah...could you hold it just a minute I don't have the amendment in front of me: Ah..."
"Alright, take that out of the record. House Bill 3743."
"House Bill 3743. An act to amend Section 1 of an act relating to the effective date of laws. Second reading of the bill. No committee amendments."
"Are there amendments from the floor? Third reading. House Bill 4684."
"House Bill 4684. Bill for an act to authorize and Director of the Department of Transportation to improve that portion of the Illinois and Michigan Canal between Utica and Lasalle in LaSalle county. Second reading of the bill. No committee amendments."
"Are there amendments from the floor? Third reading. House Bill 4687."
"House Bill 4687. Bill for an act to make an appropriation to the Salary of the State Comptroller. Second reading of the bill. No committee amendments." GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: "Are there amendments from the floor? Third reading. House Bill 4608."
"House Bill 4608. Bill for an act to make an appropriation for the Transporation Bond Fund. Second reading of the bill. One committee amendment. Amend House Bill 4608 on page 1, line 10 andsoforth."
"Gentleman from Franklin, Representative Hart."
"Ah....thank you Mr. Speaker, the amendment ah... re computes the exact amount that would be required under the bill and it was furnished by Dave Carey of the office of the Superintendent of Public Instruction when the bill was heard in committee. And it refines the amount of the appropria- tion ah...that would be necessary under the act as of July 1,197 I move for the adoption of committee amendment no. 1. "
"Is there any discussion? Gentleman has offered to move the adoption of amendment no. 1 to House Bill 4608. All in favor of the adoption signify by saying 'aye', opposed 'no'. The amendment is adopted. Are there further amendments. Third reading. House Bill 4609."
"House Bill 4609. Bill for an act to amend the Transportation Bond Act. Second reading of the bill. No committee amendments."
"Are there amendments from the floor? Third reading. House Bills third reading. House Bill 800."
"House Bill 800. An act to provide for reimpur:: ment to depositors in the City Savings Association of Chicago and make an appropriation therefor. Third reading of the bill." GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 68.
"Gentleman from Cook, Representative Peter Miller."
"Well, Mr. Speaker. ladies and gentleman of the House, House Bill 800 requests some $30,000,000 to take care of the losses suffered by the depositors in the City Savings Loan. It came out of committee with only two decending votes. Its a bill that's put in here because we felt that the state was responsible at the time for the regulation. They were supposed to see that all of these banks were insured. And ah...the State was: neglegent in that the City Savings was not insured. The losses inoccurred by these people were ah...were occured because the bank was closed and then reopened and the ah... Illinois Crime Commission investigated this situation and they found that the State was in error and if it wasn't for the Illinois Crime Commission and the bill that we have in here there would not be liquidation today. Liquidation is going on and we hope that there'll be a number of million dollars realizc and we can make up the losses. We like to pay the losses on the basis of Federal Insurance would have gotten for these peop if there had bean Federal Insurance. Now I realize that $30,000,000 is a lot of money and its not in the budget, and I am looking forward to the will most likely being reduced in the Senate, but I do think if they realize some 8 to 10 million dollars on their liquidation we could make up the difference of loss. I think that its a good bill and I think that the bill should pass. We are doing right by our taxpayers and the citizens of our state who have suffered here, there were 16,000 of them. And man of them have passed away since GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 69. this loss and I think they deserve the protection that we now we now accord new and other banks by having such a law. And I hope that you'll all have the mercy and pity in your hearts for the 16,000victims, one of them who is sitting right on this floor, Representative Louie DiPrima, and all of the depositors who are spread all over Chicago, on the Northwest side and my district and many of your districts. They're looking for this House, for this state to do the right thing by these people and I ask for a favorable vote, Mr. Speaker."
"Gentleman from Cook, Representative Capuzi
"Now, Mr. Speaker, ladies and gentleman of the House...."
"Representative Miller, for what purpose do you rise Sir?" P.J. Miller. "I ah...would like to have the bill called back to second, for purpose of amendment. Some of the members said they wouldn't support it unless I amended it so, I'm sending the amendment up to reduce it to $15,000,000."
"O-K Does the gentleman have leave ah.. hearing no objection House Bill 800 will be brought back to the order of second reading. And when the clerk arrives, or that is when the amendment arrives at the clerk desks..."
"We're liquidating the assets and ah... I think $15,000,000 dollars will do the job...very adequately and I ask the Kind indulgence of the House to move this back to second so we can amend the bill." GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 70. Rep. Arthur A. Telcser. "O-k will the clerk please read the amendment."
"Amend no. 1, Miller, amend House Bill 800 on page 1, line 32 by deleting $30,000,000 and inserting in lieu thereof; '$15,000,000."
"The gentleman from cook, Representative Peter Miller."
"I move the adoption of the amendment Mr. Chairman."
"Is there any discussion? Does the gentleman from cook, Representative Capuzi wish to discuss the amendment Sir?"
"Ah.., no, Mr. Speaker, I wanted to speak on the bill."
"Well, its on second reading now."
"Well, I know, I was cut off, but I'll hold my remariks for when it comes back on third reading."
"Is there any discussion? Gentleman from Sangamon, Representative Gibbs."
"Mr. Speaker, ladies and gentleman of the House, in reference to the amendment, would the sponsor yield to a question?"
"He indicates he will."
"Ah...how was the amount determined in the firs' place from $30,000,000 and then reduced down to $15,000,000."
"Well, that's the time, they were not liquidating when I first introduced the bill and, but now based on the projected loss....in liquidating the .... the court ordered..." GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 71.
"So the fifteen million would represent a payment after complete liquidation?"
"Yes,.." W. Joseph Gibbs. "Thank you."
"Thank you, Mr. Gibbs."
"Is there further discussion? The gentlema has offered to move the adoption of amendment No. 1 to House Bill 800. All in favor signify by saying 'aye', the opposed 'no'. The amendment is adopted. Are there further amendments? Third reading. House Bill 4084."
"House Bill 4084. An act to provide for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Illinois Commerce Commission. Third reading of the bill."
"Gentleman from cook, Representative Regner."
"Ah...Mr. Speaker, ladies and gentleman of the House, this is the ordinary and contingent expenses for the Illinois Commerce Commission. The original request for this here was $4,311,100 and then we had an amendment no. 1 which was a committee amendment which reduced it by $28,300. And I'd ask for a favorable vote on this bill."
"I's there any discussion? Gentleman from Union, Representative Choate."" Clyde L. Choate; "I'd like for the sponsor to answer a question if he would?"
"Ile indicates he'll yield." GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES Clyde L. Choate: "Where's the sponsor?"
"I think he's in Europe today."
"I just wondered."
"Is there further discussion? Question is shall House Bill 4084 pass. All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', and the opposed by voting 'no'. Representativo Gentleman from cook, Representative Mann to explain his vote."
"Mr. Speaker, I recognize that my explaination is not going to persuade anybody and this is why I waited till explaination of vote. But for the past three terms I have cast no votes as a matter of protest against the Illinois Commerce Commission which I do not think it in any way responsiv to the needs to consumers in this State. And I think in particular about commuters, I think in particular about the ah...IC which gets ah...continuous permission to increase railroad fairs and does very little about increasing the qualit of the transporation it offers to people in the suburbs and in the inner city. I live a block from the IC and I can testify to the fact that the service continues to be spotty ah...the stations are ill kept and ill maintained and yet ah...time after time after time the Commerce Commission Mechanically ah...grants increases in fairs ah...to the Illinois Central. Now the Illinois Central is prepared ah...to undertake a giant program of building High Rises along our lake front ah...to make more money ah... from landwhich is owned by the people and I'm going to vote no, and I wanted to explain why."
"Have all voted who wish? Take the record. Maragos, present. Palmer, 'no'. Laurino, present. GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 73. Caldwell, 'no'. Leonard, present. Shea, 'aye', oh present, I'm sorry sir. Lechowicz, present. Let's go now. Representa- tive Brandt, how's the gentleman recorded?"
"The gentleman is recorded as voting 'aye'."
"Record the gentleman as voting present. Representatave Laurino, present, I mean Leon, present, I'm sorry. Katz, present. B.B. Wolfe, present. Frank Wolf, preser Kosinski, present. Smith, present. Thompson, present. How was representative Thompson recorded?"
"The gentleman is recorded as voting 'aye'."
"Barnes, 'no'. Harold Washington, present. Barne's was no.. Harold Washington was 'no, present I'm sorry. Oatis Collins, present. Downes, present. R. Carter, present. R.J. Welsh, present. Alsup, 'aye'. Duff, 'aye'. Hill, 'aye'. Barry, 'aye'. Pappas, 'aye'. North 'aye'. "
"Capuzi is 'aye'. Granta 'aye'."
"On this question there are 109 'aye', 12 'nays', 19 answering present. And this bill having received a constitutional majority is hereby declared passed. House Bill 4096."
"House Bill 4096. Bill for an act to provide for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Department of Personnel. Third reading of the bill."
"Gentleman from cook, Representative Sevcik."
"Ah.., Mr. Speaker, ladies and gentleman of the House, House Bill 4096 makes appropriations for the ordinary GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES and contingent expenses for the Department of Personnel for the fiscal year beginning July 1, 1972. Totaling $34,742,30р. I ask for your favored support."
"Is there any discussion? Question is shall House Riil 4096 pass. All those in favor signify by voting'aye', the opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? tore the record. On this question there are 139 'ayes', no 'naye' and this bill having received a constitutional majori is hereby declared passed. House Bill 4099."
"House Bill 4099. Bill for an act to provide for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Department of Insurance. Third reading of the bill."
"The gentleman from cook, Representative Epton."
"Mr. Speaker, ladies and gentleman of the House, its my pleasure to again present you the appropriation of the Department of Insurance. We're proud that this appropriation for $3,680,000 is substantially less than last years appropria= tion as well as the year previously. I solicit your vote in favor of the appropriation."
"Is there any discussion? Question is shall House Bill 4099 pass? All those in favor signify by votin 'aye', the opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Take the record. Representative Lechowicz, for what purpose do you rise, Sir?"
"Just one comment, Mr. Speaker, what the sponsor indicated was true as far as the allocation of money. GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 75. but the actual expenditures is just in the reverse. But I vote 'aye'."
"On this question there are 147 'ayes' no 'nays', and this bill having received a constitutional majority is hereby declared passed. House Bill 4103."
"House Bill 4103. A bill for an act to provide for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Illinois Legislative Investigating Commission. Third reading of the bill." Rep. Arthur A. Télcser. "The gentleman from cook, Representative Sevcik."
"Ah.., Mr. Speaker, ladies and gentleman of the House, House Bill 4103 makes the appropriation for the ordinary and contingent expenses for the Illinois Legislative Investigating Commission totalling $358,500. I ask for your favorable support."
"Is there any discussion. Question is shall House Bill 4103 pass. All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', and theopposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Take the record. Phill Wals, 'aye'. On this questi there are 143 'ayes', 4' nays', and this bill having received a constitutional majority is hereby declared passed. House Bill 4121."
"House Bill 4121. An act to make an appropriat for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Legislative Refernce Bureau. Third reading of the bill." GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 76.
"Gentleman from cook, Representative Shea."
"Mr. Speaker, ladies and gentleman of the House, This is the annual appropriation for the Legislative Reference Bureau. I would appreciate the support of the House."
"Is there any discussion? Question is shall House Bill 4121 pass. All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', the opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Take the record. On this question there are 151 'ayes', no 'nays', and this bill having received a constitutional majorty is hereby declared passed. House Bill 4135."
"House Bill 4135. Bill for an act to provide for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Department of Registration and Education. Third reading of the bill."
"Gentleman from cook, Representative Wall.
"Mr. Speaker, and ladies and gentleman of the House, House Bill 4135 is the annual appropriation for the Department of Registration and Education. For the ordinary and contingent expenses for the year July 1, 1972. I urge your favorable support."
"Is there any discussion? Question is shall House Bill 4135 pass. All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', the opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Take the record. On this question 145 'ayes', one 'nay', and this bill having received a constituional majority is hereby delcared passed. House Bill 4083." Fredric B. Selcke. "House Bill 4083. An act to provide for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Department of Aeronautic GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 77. Third reading of the bill."
"Gentleman from Sangamon, Representative J. Representative Bradley, for what purpose do you Rise, Sir?"
"Mr. Speaker, and ladies and gentleman of the House, on these appropriation bills I think its been the custom in the past for the sponsor of the bill to indicate to us whether its been an increase in that Departments appropriatic over last year. And I wish they would do so this afternoon."
"Gentleman from Sangamon, Representative Jones."
"Mr. Speaker, ladies and gentleman of the House, 4083 is the annual appropriation for the department of Aeronauti And the amount has been reduced by $400,000, from the appropriation, as amended in the appropriations committee. I'd appreciate your favorable support."
"Gentleman from Christian, Representative Tipsword."
"I have, probably a very unimportant question, but I'd like to ask the sponsor."
"He indicates he'll yield."
"Can you please tell me why we have an appropriation for the Department of Aeronautics when it has supposedly been merged into the Department of Transporation?" J. David Jones; "No, it is only under the Department of Transporta- Its tion as far as the bonding money that it prescribes. actions are a seperate agency and is still maintained that way. It's not a subsidiary of the Department of Transportation as such." GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES Rolland F. Tipsword: "Wasn't it supposed to become a part of that Department?" 78." J. David Jones; "Maybe at some future date it may be."
"I thought it was in the act setting up the Department of Transportation, it was authorized that it be merged into it."
"The entity of the Department of Aeronautics is being maintained, although the bonding issue funds will be allocated clear through the department of transportation."
"Thank you." Rep. Arthur A. Telcser. "Is there further discussion? Question is shall House Bill 4083 pass? All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', the opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Take the record. On this question 138 'ayes', no 'nays'. And this bill having received a constitutional majority is hereby declared passed. Lechowicz, 'aye'. Simmons, 'aye'. Henss, 'aye'. Brandt, 'aye'. House Bill 4197.
"House Bill 4197. An Act to provide for the ordinary and contingent expenses penses of the Department of Children and Family Services. Third reading of the bill."
"Gentleman from cook, Representative Schlickman- "
"Mr. Speaker and ladies and gentleman of the House, House Bill 4197 appropriate $111,947,000 to the Department of Children and Family Services for its ordinary and contingent expenses. This is a 14.7% increase over fisdal 1972. The increases are centered in just a few areas. Daycare, GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 79, payments of care of children, Illinois Soldiers and Sailors Home of Quincy, and Chicago Emergency Care Facility for Chicago. Most programs of the department will merely be in a position to support the level of existing services. I'd appreciate your support."
"Is there any discusion? Gentleman from cook, Representative Dan O'Brien."
"Mr. Speaker, I have a question of the sponsor if he'll yield."
"He indicates he will."
"Ah...Gane, I understand some time back that the appropriation of moneis to non-for-profit orphanages, the ones' I am aquainted with are in Chicago, I'm sure across the State, Ah...the percapita alotment from the State was reduced from $17.00 to $11.00, I was contacted by some orphanages in and about Chicago, and they informed me that it was impossib to stay open at this rate. I understood that there would be an increase in the appropriations for the Department of Children and Family Services to bring back the state participat of the maintainmence in the orphanages to a level that they could live with."
"Representatim as I mentioned apart of the 14.7% increase in the appropriations for fiscal '73 over fiscal '72 is for payment of services. And it is scheduled to be an increase in the rate for these private residential care facilities which are housing wards of the state being placed through the department of Children and Family Services." GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 80.
"In other words, the subsidie for orphans in not- for-profit institutions in and about Chicago has been brought backto a reasonable level, Has been increased by this approp- riation?"
"Well, I shouldn't say a subsidie because the state is paying for a service that's being provided to it. And the amount that is being appropriated this year is substantial over last year and rate increases are involved."
"But the rate reduction has been reinstated by this appropriation, is that correct?"
"Yes."
"Alright."
"Gentleman from cook, Representative Shea."
"Will the sponsor yield for a question?"
"He indicated he will."
"Gene, one of the problems, at least as I see it, I see where we closed up St. Vincent's because the Department of Children and Family Services didn't want to place any childre in that institution and I know we're talking about building new institutions but I find that many instances we have some of our private Care facilities for children, such as some of our orphanages in the city, where the population is way down and yet the department is not placing children there. Now could you tell me, have they taken a firm policy that they'd rather build brick and mortar buildings and not use these institutions?"
"The Department of Children and Family Services traditionally has relied upon private residential care GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 81 facilities for placement of children assigned to the department. And this traditional philosophy of the department is continuing.
"Well, if the traditional philosophy the departmen. may be continuing, but I'm wondering, Gene, if you'd have any objections to pull this out of the record and find out for me ah...just what's going on in the Department. I understand that one orphanage on the North Side, that they haven't placed any children in almost a year, and that the number of children they're taking care of there has dropped almost in half and the increment per child is way up and its one of the Catholic orphanages on the North Side. And I mean, you know, we're sitt here with these big institutions and we're just not taking. we've got them there and what concerns me is new brick and mortar when we've got some of the facilities there. And then I see places like, Little City and some of these other institu- tions that are taking care of children, and I don't see them doing anything for them. And I'm just, I get a little curious at times."
"Representative, there are only two facilitic Brick and Mortar facilities if you wish, that are covered by this appropriations bill. One is to staff a new facility in the City of Chicago and the other is to construct a new facilit in the city of East St. Louis. These are facilities ah.... for hard to place children. These are facilities that are in now way competitive with the private residential care facilitic upon which the Departmentof Children and Family Services, the state generally, is absolutely dependent." GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: "Representative Pierce, for what purpose do you rise, Sir?" 82.
"Mr. Speaker, on a point of personal priviledge, I'd like to introduce from the balcony some girl scouts from Antioch, Illinois. The District represented by Representative Murphy and myself on the Lake View Council of the Girl Scouts from Antioch, Illinois in the balcony."
"Representative O'Brien, for what purpose do you rise sir?"
"Ah...Mr. Speaker, I don't want to harp on this, but I'd like to ask Gene one specific question. Gene I see you have someone there from the Department. Maybe he's familic with this particular situation. I'm referring specifically to Maryville Orphanage, in DesPlaines, Illinois. Has there been an adjustment? Ah... Reinstate the decrease in rate that they experienced about six or seven months ago."
"Well. Representative, I'm very familiar with Maryville, because its in my own district and I've been associated with Maryville particularly, you may recall that earlier I introduced a bill which has passed and is waiting in the Governor's office for approval to provide for additional classroom facilities for district 26 to accomodate the children from Maryville. I've been in close contact with Maryville and they are satisfied ah...with the provisions that are contain under this bill as things now stand."
"In this bill we're talking about?"
"Yes Sir, the bill that's presently under consideration." GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 83.
"Is there further discussion? Question is; shall House Bill 4197 pass. All those in favor signify by voting 'aye'; the opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Take the record. On this question 150 'ayes'. Neff 'aye', Bluthardt 'aye', McMaster 'aye', Meyer 'aye', Palmer 'aye', Maragos 'aye', And this bill having received a constitutional majority is hereby declared passed. Fleck 'aye', House Bill 4247. House Bill 4252."
"House Bill 4252. An act to provide for the' ordinary and contingent expenses of the Secretary of State. Third reading of the bill."
"Gentleman from DuPage, Representative Philip."
"Ah...Mr. Speaker, and ladies and gentlemen of the House, House Bill 4252 as amended is the annual budget request for the Secretary of State's Office for fiscal 1973. The total budget is $51,459,568. This is a reduced request by $1,048,000 below the 1972 budget. It also includes a 6% step increase or 1.6 million dollars which has been absorbed in this budget for personnel service. Fourteen of the twenty-se- divisions were able to reduce their total operating costs to less than this years appropriation. It had a full hearing in sub committee and in committee and I ask for your favorable consideration."
"Gentleman from McLean Representative Bradley."
"Mr. Speaker, and ladies and gentleman of the House, I was wondering if the sponsor would yield to a questio 3. GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 84.
"He indicates he'll yield."
"Pate, I was wondering if you would be so generous as to pull this bill at this time, I know its a late request back to second reading for an amendment I have and I spoke to you about it earlier?"
"Yes, this is the House Bill. I thought you were talking about the Senate Bill. The Senate Bill is still on second reading."
"I realize it is, we're going to ah...we have the amendment for that. We also have the amendment for this one also ah... would you ah..."
"You know, for some reason when we talked earlier I was under the impression you only had one amendment and it was the amendment for the Senate Bill, which I don't mind considering. But this has been on third reading for at least a week and I don't think I'm going to move it back to second reading for an amendment. If you want to try on the Senate Bill, fine and dandy, but the ship has sailed."
"Is there further discussion? Question is shall House Bill 4252 pass? All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', the opposed by voting 'no'. Gentleman from cook, Representative Shea to explain his vote."
"I'd like to be voted present on this bill."
"Record the gentleman as voting present. Gentleman from cook, Representative Lechowicz to explain his vote."
"May I be recorded as present, please?" GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 85.
"Record the gentleman as voting present. Have all voted who wish? Take the record. On this question... Representative Phillip, for what purpose do you rise Sir?"
"I was hoping the ship was going to get out of the Harbor, but after, obviously I've had a little problem and I'd like to poll the absentees."
"O-K the gentleman has requested to poll the absentees. Representative Shea, for what purpose do you rise sir?"
"Pate, I wish that you'd think twice about it or do you want to wait until everybody answers some way, or what? You could give the man an opportunity to amend the bill."
"Exactly what does that mean?"
"Well, if you didn't have enough votes would you want to give him the opportunity to at least try to amend it? You know you can beat it. I'm just thinking of the time of this House of polling the absentees."
"I'll tell you one thing, its against my better judgement but I will go along with your humble suggestion. Thank you. Pull it out of the record."
"Gentleman has asked to put House Bill, is there leave to take it out of the record? O-K we'll take it out of the record. House Bill ah... House Bill 1339."
"House Bill 1339. An act in relation to the dis- closure of state and local public records and authorizing a penalty for the violation thereof. Third reading of the bill."
"Gentleman from cook, Representative Burdit GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 86. is he ou che Floor? Is the gentleman on the floor....take that out of the record. House Bill 4645."
"House Bill 4645. Bill for an act to amend the Township Zoning Act. Third reading of the bill."
"Gentleman from cook, Representative McPartlin."
"Ah...Mr. Speaker, could I ask leave to have 154. Loard as companion bills?"
"Are there any objection? Hearing none, will the clerk please read House Bill 4646."
"House Bill 4646. An act to add section 58 to an act concerning public utilities. Third 'reading of the bill."
"Gentleman from cook, Representative McPartlin."
" Ah...Mr. Speaker, members of the House, House Bill 4645 does not affect the authority of municipalities and counties to regulate a zone and control the location of a generating station. The current law would also remain in effect with subjects electric generating stations to regulate and appropriate cases by the following agencies: The Pollution Control Board, The Environmental Protection Agency, The Illinois Commerce Commission, The U.S. Atomic Energy Commission, and the U.S. Corys of Engineers. House Bill 4645, or 4646 would "permit an electric utility to participate in the Commerce Commission for a sight investigation authority only after notic adhering to the property owners or owners and showing a need. 1 would apprace the support of the House." GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 87.
"Gentleman from cook, Representative
Schlickman. Eugene F. Schlickman: "Would the gentleman yield for a couple of questions?"
"He indicates he will."
"Representative, by this bill we would be providing for an increase exemption to township zoning. And this is done y a broadening of the definition of public utility equipment. Ir there a similar exemption that is provided in the municipal code, or in the county act?"
"Ah..yes there are additional exemptions, it..is actually have to do with poles, tires, towers, wires cables, etc."
"Is the broadened definition of public utiltity as is contained in House Bill 4645 identical to the exemptions that are contained in the municipal and county zoning act."
"That I really don't know, Gene."
"What justification can there be, Representa- tive, for adding to the exemptions to township zoning, or municipal or county for that matter?"
"Well, this is a public utility, ah...going to a generating station. Its adding a generating station. And all it does is add the one word to the act."
"Is there a specific project and specific township that you have in mine?"
"Ah...yes there is." GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 88.
"Would you mind identifying this specific project in the specific township?"
"Ah...its LaSalle County."
"You say Lasalle County?"
"Yes."
"And what is the project?"
"Ah...to ah...put a generating station ah... in LaSalle County ah... for the purpose of electricity."
"Who will own and operate the generating, the power generating plant?"
"The public utilities, the commonwealth edison.
"Mr. Speaker, and ladies and gentleman of the House, a crying need that presently exists in Illinois toda is the conservation of our natural resources primarily that of land. Now the only way we can assure the preservation and conservation of our most natural resource, land, is to maintain the integrity of our local zoning ordinances which presumably and hopefully are based on long range comprehensive land use plans. By House Bill 4645 We are affecting the integrity and the integrity of local zoning and the ability of local zoning officials to meet the needs to conserving and preserving our land. I would hope, Mr. Speaker and ladies and gentlemen of the House, that we would acknowledge that this bill is designed for one township, one particular project from the nature of special legislation, but would have an effect statewide on all townships downstate that are engaged in zoning authority. I would hope, with all due respect to the sponsor of this bill, that its defeated." GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 89.
"Gentleman from cook, Representative Palmer."
"Will the sponsor yield for a question?" Rép. Arthur A. Telcser: "He indicates he will."
"On 46...your taking 4646 together with 4645 is that correct?"
"That's right."
"On 4646 has there been an amendment?"
"Ah...yes, there was an amendment on 4646."
"What does that amendment do?"
"It removed the section that authorized the work during daylight hours only."
"That's ducky. Ah...the ah...apparently by, in the reading of this bill it ah..provides that the ah... with or without the condemnation proceeding pending the Illinois Commerce Commission can then authorize a public utility, and extensively in this case, the public service company of Northern Illinois ah...to go upon a farmer's property ah...dig wells ah...do all sorts of things, tear up his corn and ah...hay perhaps so that they can get soundage ah...the question that I want to ask you; is there any compensation provided for this? I see none in this bill."
"Ah...yes there is. Ah...actually the utility would be required to pay for any actual damage to the property arising from its work. That's in 4646."
"Well was that in the amendment?"
"No it is in the bill." GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 90.
"an you tell me the line number?" Robert F. McPartlin. "Ah...line 30, on page 1."
"Starting on line 28; 'no entry authorized by the Commission shall be deemed to be a trespass nor an entry opon any condemnation predeeding which may be pending, but that doesn't say they are allowed damages for the entry upon the property for the purpose...?"
"Continue on from there, just the way it reads."
"ight, I stand corrected, I see the...the particular provision. Now who's going to make the award of the damanges?"
"Well, that would be on file with the Commerce Commission."
"Mould the Commerce Commission make the award of damages?"
"Well, no, ah...they would direct the utility to make the award of damages."
"And who's going to make the determination as to the amount of damages?"
"Well, I imagine that would be done also by the Commerce Commission."
"Gentleman from cook, Representative Juckei
"Mr. Speaker, would the, you know there are alot of questions that are arising on this bill, I'm wondering if the sponsor would take it out of the record, and we can get together and maywe work out some of the differences?" GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
91 Robert F. McPartlin: "Alright, fine."
"Alright, let's take it out of the record. House Bill 1339."
"House Bill 1339. An Act in relation to the disclosure of State and local public records and authorizing a penalty for the violation thereof. Third reading of the bill.
"The gentleman from cook, Representative Burditt."
"Mr. Speaker, ladies and gentleman of the House ah...this is the "State Freedom of Information Act' that's modelled on the 'Federal Freedom of Information Act' it was given very extensive committee consideration ah...amendments were worked out after the first hearing before the committee and I believe that all objections to the bill have now been removed. I'd appreciate your support for the bill."
"The gentleman from cook, Representative Kosinski."
"Will the sponsor yield to a question?"
"He indicates he will."
"George, we discussed this by telephone, I wanted to make certain of it that nothing has changed. Ah... you may remember that I have a bill on putting the lid on Gun registrations to protect the owners. Will this bill effect my bill?"
"No."
"Thank you."
"Is there further discussion? Question GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 92. is shall House Bill 1339 pass. All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', and the opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Take the record. Tipsword, 'aye'. On this question there are 138 'ayes', one 'nay'. And this bill having recieved a consitutional majority is hereby declared passed. Senate Bills third reading. On the order of Senate Bills third readin Senate Bill 1508."
Thi Fredric B. Selcke: "Senate Bill 1508, an act in relation to payment of grants to enable the elderly to acquire or retain private housing and make an appropriation in connection therewith. reading of the bill."
"Gentleman from cook, Representative Mann."
"Well, Mr. Speaker and members of the House, this is the last of the four so called circuit breaker bills which will result in ah...tax relief for our senior citizens. All four bills have been amended so that they are now the same in all important respects. Ah...they were amended through the cooperation ah...of the leadership on both sides of the aisle and the citizens action program which took and interest in this particular legislation. Ah...since this bill has passed the other measures ah.. I would hope it would be not necessary for me to go into detail except that it is an agreed bill and I would ask for you support."
"Is thee any discussion? Question is shall Senate Bill 1508 pass? All those in favor signify by voting 'ay. the opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Take the record. On this question 156 'aye', no 'nays' and this bill GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 93. having received a constitutional majority is hereby declared passed. Committee Reports."
"Mr. Regner, from the Committee on Appropriatio: to which House Bill 4688, was referred, reported the same back with the recommendation that the bill do pass. Mr. Regner, from the Committee on Appropriations, Senate Bills 1323, 1425 were referred, reported the same back with amendments thereto, with the recommendation that the amendments be adopted and that the bills do pass. Mr. Regner, from Appropriations to which. Senate Bills 1511, 1593, 1606 were referred, reported the same back with the recommendation that the bills do pass."
"Messages from the Senate."
"Mr. Speaker, I am directed to inform the House of Representatives that the Senate has refused to recede their amendment to a bill of the following title; House Bill 1954, and I am further directed to inform the House of Representative: that the Senate requests a Committe of Conference to consist of five members, action taken by the Senate June 20, 1972. Kenneth. Wright, Secretary. Mr. Speaker I am directed to inform the House of Representative the Senate has refused to recede from their amendment to bill with the following title; House Bill 1954, I am further directed to inform the House of Representati that the Senate requests a committee conference that consists of five members of each house, actions taken by the Senate June 20, 1972. Kenneth Wright, secretary. Mr. Speaker I am directed to inform the House of Representatives the Senate has refused to recede from their amendments to the bill with the following title; House Bill 4270 and I am further directed to GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 94. inform the House of Representatives the Senate has requested a committee conference consists of five members of each house. Action taken by the Senate June 19, 1972. Kenneth Wright, Secretary. Mr. Speaker, I am directed to inform the House of Representatives the Senate has refused to recede from their amendments to the bill with the following title; House Bill 4361, I am further directed to inform the House of Representativ that the Senate requests a Committee of Conference to consist of five members from each house to consider the differences. Action taken by the Senate June 20, 1972. Kenre th Wright, Secretary. Mr. Speaker I am directed to inform the House of Representatives the Senate has concurred with the House of Representatives to pass the bill with the following title; House Bill 3078. Together with the following amendment; Passed the Senate as amended June 19, 1972. Kenneth Wright, Secretary. Mr. Speaker I am directed to inform the House of Representativ the Senate has concurred with the House of Representatives and passed the bill with the following title; House Bill 4190, together with the following amendment. Passed the Senate as amended June 20, 1972. Kenneth Wright, Secretary. Mr. Speaker I am directed to inform the House of Representatives the Senate has concurred with the House of Representatives to pass the bill with the following title; House Bill 4260, to gether with the following amendment. Passed the Senate as amended June 20, 1972, Kenneth Wright, Secretary. Mr. Speaker I am directed to inform the House of Representatives that the Senate has concurred with the House of Representatives to pass the bill wit GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 95. the following title; House Bill 4278. Together with the following amendment. Passed the Senate as amended June 20, 1978 Kenneth Wright, Secretary. Mr. Speaker I am directed to inform the House of Representatives that the Senate has concurr with the House of Representatives to pass the bill with the following title; House Bill 4298, together with the following amendment. Passed the Senate as amended June 20, 1972, Kenneth Wright, Secretary. Mr. Speaker I am directed to inform the House of Representatives that the Senate has concurred with the House to pass the bill with the following title; House Bill 4427, together with the following amendment. Passed the Senate as amended June 20, 1972. Kenneth Wright, Secretary. Mr. Speaker I am directed to inform the House of representati the Senate has concurred with the House in the passage of the bill with the following title: House Bill 4523, together with the following amendment, Passed the Senate as amended June 29, 1972, Kenneth Wright, Secretary. Mr. Speaker I am directed to inform the House of Representatives that the Senate has concurred with the House to pass the bill with the following title; House Bil1 4438, 4439,4458,4459,4461 passed the Senate June 20, 1972. Kenneth Wright, Secretary. Mr. Speaker I am directed to inform the House of Representatives that the Senate has concurred with the House in the passage of the bill with the following title; House Bill 4085,4087,4171,4188,4189, 4243,4261,4308,4318 passed the Senate June 20, 1972, Kenneth Wright Secretary. Mr. Speaker I am directed to inform the House of Representatives that the Senate has concurred with the GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 96. House in the passage of the bill with the following title; House Bill 4301, 4307,4319, 4327, 4363, 4425, 4511, 4541 passed the Senate June 20, 1972. Kenneth Wright, Secretary. Mr. Speaker I am directed to inform the House of Representatives that the Senate has concurred with the House with adoption of House amendment no. 1, to the bill with the following title; Senate Bill 1363 concurred in by the Senate June 20, 1972. Kenneth Wright, Secretary. Mr. Speaker I am directed to inform the House of Representatives the Senate has adopted the following Conference Committee Report; House Bill 3736, adopted by the Senate June 20, 1972. Kenneth Wright, Secretary. Mr. Speaker I am directed to inform the House of Representatives that the Senate has adopted the following Conference Committee Report, House Bill 2622, adopted by the Senate June 20, 1972, Kenneth Wright, Secretary. No further messages."
"House Bills second reading. House Bill 4679."
"House Bill 4679. Bill for an act to amend the election co...the School code. Second reading of the bill. No committee amendments."
"Are there amendments from the floor?
"Amendment no. 1, Shea, Amend House Bill 4679 on page 1 by striking line 23 andsoforth."
"Gentleman from cook, Representative Shea."
"Mr. Speaker, ladies and gentleman of the House, this is a bill that would allow the Chicago school Board to borrow $35,000,000 in the rehabilitation bond fund. This amend- ment would...is one that Chapman and Cutler thought was a necessi GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 97. and I'd ask that the House adopt the amendment."
"Is there any discussion? Gentleman from DuPage, Representative Hoffman."
"Ah...Mr. Speaker, I wonder if the sponsor would explain what the amendment does?"
"He indicates he will."
"I didn't hear him explain it if he did."
"The amendment says; When such a loan has been made the board may at any time after the adoption of the annual school budget, adopt, by a majority vote of the full membership of the board supplemental budget to provide for the use of the added revenues by adding appropriations to those made in the annual school budget in amount that shall not exceed the sum so borrowed. The suplemental budget shall be regarded as an amendment to the annual budget for that year. And. then at the end of the next sentence put; the city treasurer and the school treasurer to transfer funds as directed by resolution adopted persuant to this section. This is the bill that would allow the Chicago Board of Education to borrow up to $35,000,000 in the rehabilitation bond funds and pay it back within five years."
"Is there further discussion? Gentleman has offered to move the adoption of amendment no. 1 to House bill 4679. All in favor of the adoption signify by saying 'aye', opposed 'no'. The amendment is adopted....Gentleman from cook, Representative Mann." GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 98.
"I'd like to be recorded as voting 'no.'
"Record Representative Mann as voting 'no'. The gentleman has withdrawn that request. All those opposed signify by saying 'no'. The amendment is adopted. Are there further amendments. Third reading. Senate Bills Second reading. Senate Bill 1475."
"Senate Bill 1475. Bill for an act to amend the school code. Second reading of the bill. No committee amendments."
"Are there amendments from the floor? One moment."
"Amendment no. 1, Shea, amend Senate Bill 1475 as amended ansoforth."
"Gentleman from.cook, Representative Shea.'.
"Mr. Speaker, this is the identical amendment being put on the Senate bill that is the same as the last bill."
"Is there any discussion? Gentleman has offerd to move the adoption of amendment no. 1 to Senate Bill 1475. All in favor of the adoption signify by saying 'aye'. Opposed 'no'. The amendment is adopted. Are there further amendments? Third reading. Senate Bill 1393."
"Senate Bill 1393. An act to amend Section 18, and to add section 18.1 as the revenue act of 1939. Second reading of the bill."
"To refresh your memory, this bill has been read a second time and amendment no. 1 was adopted, it was then held at that point. There is now an amendment no. 2, I understand." GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 99.
"Amendment no. 2, Fennessey, amend Senate Bill 1393 on page 1, by deleting lines 1-3 ansoforth:"
"Gentleman from LaSalle, Representative Fennessey. Representative Fennessey do you wish to offer amend- ment no. 2, sir?"
"Yes, I would, Mr. Speaker, members of the House. Amendment no. 2, what it does, it replaces the Loss in Revenue caused by the exemptions and current household and ah...its the same bill really that I introduced two years ago providing t replacement of this revenue that's caused by the loss and exemptions of current household. I move for its adoption."
"Is there any discussinn? Gentleman has moved for the adoption of amendment no. 2 to Senate Bill 1393. All in favor of the adoption signify by saying 'aye', opposed 'no'. The amendment is adopted. Are there further, amendments? Third reading. Senate Bill 1459. Take that out of the record Mr. Clerk. Senate Bills first reading, Senate Bill 1589."
"Senate Bill 1589. An act to amend the Civil Administrative Code. First reading of the bill."
"Gentleman from cook, Representative Garmisa."
"Ah...Mr. Speaker, and ladies and gentlemen of the House I would like at this time to ask for leave of the House to suspend House Rule 38 ah...so that we could pass House or Senate Bill 1589 to second without reference to committee. These bills have previously been heard in the House Transporatio Committee when their House Bills 4558,4559. They did have a GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 100. thorough hearing. They did pass out of that committee. And I would ask leave to move this bill to second reading without reference to committee."
"Does the gentleman have leave? Hearing no objection Senate Bill 1589 will be put on the order of Senate Bills second reading. On the order of House Bills third reading. House Bill 4094."
"House Bill 4094. Bill for an Act to make an appropriation for the expenses of the Bureau of The Budget. Third reading of the bill."
"Gentleman from Logan, Representative Madigan."
"Mr. Speaker, and ladies and gentlemen of the House, House bill 4094 is the annual appropriation for the Bureau of the Budget, which was recommended both by the Sub-committee and the full appropriations committee by a unanimous vote. It represents a request that reflects the $172,000 decrease from their appropriation from last year. And I would appreciate your support for the bill."
"Is there any discussion? Question is shal House Bill 4094 pass? All those in favor signify by voting 'aye' the opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Take the record. On this question 144 'ayes', no 'nays', Tuerk 'aye' and this bill having received a constitutional majority is here). declared passed. House Bill 4522."
"House Bill 4522. Bill for an act to make an appropriation to the Department of Finance. Third reading of th bill." GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 101.
"Gentleman from Logan, Representative Madigan."
"Mr. Speaker, and ladies and gentlemen of the House, this is the appropriation for the Department of Finance, which as amended, also reflects a decrease in their personnel line item. It has been heard in the appropriations committee and the appropriate sub-committee. And was recommended do pass by both of those committees by unaninmous vote. I would appre- ciate support."
"Is there any discussion? Question is shall House Bill 4522 pass? All those in favor signify by voting'aye', the opposed by voting'no'. Have all voted who wish. Take the record. On this Question 153 'ayes', no 'nays', and this bill having received a constituional majority is hereby declared passed. Representative Schlickman, for what purpose do you rise sir?"
"Mr. Speaker, and ladies and gentlemen of the House, previously read for the first time was Senate Bill 1571. This is on the speakers table. Senate Bill 1571 amends the emergency medical treatment act by providing for amegency, treatr. for the sick and injured at the scene of the emergency and durin the transporation to the hospital, until care can be assumed by the regular hospital staff. I've discussed this bill with the leadership on both sides. And following discussions with them and with their approval, I seek unanimous consent to have Senate Bill 1571 advanced to the order of second reading without referral to committee." GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 102.
"Are there any objections? Hearing none Senate Bill 1571 will be put on the order of second reading without reference. Representative Regner, for what purpose do you rise sir?"
"Ah...Mr. Speaker, ladies and gentlemen of the House I'd like to make an announcement. The appropriations committee which met for a short while this afternoon will ah... not reconvien this evening but will meet tomorrow at 9:30 and I woul...on the floor of the House. And I would like to ask leave for the suspension of Rule 17 ah...which is the seven day posting notice to ah...hear a certain number of bills tomorrow morning and I'll read those numbers off right now; Those bills to be heard will be Senate Bills, 1319, 1326, 1337, 1361, 1410, 1433, 1476, 1535, 1542, 1550, 1554, 1555, 1564, and 1604."
"Ah...Conference Committe Reports."
"Conference Committee Reports. House Bill 3736, Blades."
"Gentleman from Wayne, Representative Blades. This report has been distributed to all the members."
"Mr. Speaker, ladies and gentlemen of the House, the Conference, I have the Conference Committee Report on House Bill 3736. This is known as the ah...Coronets bill. Each of you have a report of this. on your desk. Would be glad to answer any question that you might have. Ah...the differences have been resolved with the ah...Senate...."
"Gentleman from cook, Representative Shea." GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 103.
"Ah...Ben, this is kind of a tricky amendment and I wanted to compare it with the bill. Would you mind holding this until the morning please?"
"No, not at all."
"Thank you very much."
"Take that out of the record. On the order of Conference Committee Reports appears House Bill 518."
"Representative Rayson."
"Gentleman from cook, Representative Rayson."
"Mr. Speaker, and members of the House, the Conference Committee Report is on your desk and it ah...reflects the change in the Senate Amendment which had a flaw in it. It removed from the Canabas Control Act a limited amount of marjuana from the seiser of vessels and cars and airplanes and boats. This was requested by some of the Senators for the fear that a kid might be smokin pot in the old man's car and the old man's car would be seised forever. I move the adoption of the Conference Committee Report to House Bill 518."
"Is there any discussion? Gentleman has moved the House to adopt Conference Committee Report relative to House Bill 518. All in favor in the Conference Committee Report adoption signify by voting 'aye', the opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Take the record. On this question 130'ayes', 2 'nays', and the House adopts the Conferenc Committee Report relative to House Bill 518. On the order of concurrences appears House Bill 4445 for which the Gentleman from McLean, Representative Hall is recognized." GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 104.
"Mr. Speaker, ladies and gentleman of the House, 4445 is the Blood Labelling Bill. It was amended with an extensive amendment in the Senate that we anticipated when it was sent over there, but there's a minor technicality in the ah...description of a certain type of blood. It needs to go back over there. I move for non-concurrence on the Senate amendment, so we can work this out."
"Gentleman has moved the House to non concurr with Senate Amendment no. 1 relative to House Bill 4445. All in favor of non-concurrence signify by saying 'aye', oppose: 'no'. and the House refused to concurr with Senate Amendment no. to House Bill 4445. Senate Bill's second reading. Senate Bill 1459."
"Senate Bill 1459. An act concerning the powers of Corporations authorized to except and execute trusts ansoforth. Second reading of the bill. No committee amendment
"Are there amendments from the floor? Third reading. Senate Bill 841."
"Senate Bill 841. AN act in relation to delinquent taxes. Second reading of the bill. No committee amendments."
"Are there amendments from the floor? Third reading. Senate Bill 1505. "
"Senate Bill 1505. An act to amend Sections 1.105 and support the uniform commercial code. Second reading of the bill. One committee amendment. Amend Senate Bill 1505 on page 17 by deleting lines 30 and 31. and inserting in licu GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 105. thereof the following; 'the subordinate for the right of the buyer of the goods to thee."
"Gentleman from cook, Representative Burditt."
"Ah...Mr. Speaker, ladies and gentlemen of the House, Senate Bill 1505 is a very extensive amendment of the uniform commercial code which incorporates into the code amendment to section 9 which is the section dealing with the securitarian section. The amendment is an amendment which was offered in committee which has the effect of giving addition protection to bank's and automobile dealers in Illinois. And I move the adoption of the amendment."
"Is there any discussion? Gentleman from cook, Representative Maragos."
"Representative Burditt, I'd like you to give me a little more information on what this amendment does exactly. Because I did not get the full impact of what you said."
"I was afraid you'd ask that, Sam. Ah...its a committee amendment which was offered at the request of the Automobile dealers and the Illinois Bankers Association and I opposed the amendment in committee. At the present time there are seven states which do not give a title to an automobile, when you buy an automobile. There are four state in New England and Three Southern States. If somebody buys a car in Montpilier Vermont, and brings it to Illinois having borrowed on the cak in Montpilier, when they come to this state, they've got to have a title in order to get a licence, so they get an Illinois GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 106. and it shows no liens on it because there's no liens recorded, its recorded but there's no title in Vermont when you bring it here. The result is that an automobile dealer or an individua or a banker who lends money on the car in Illinois has no way of knowing whether there's a foriegn lien on it without going back to Montepelier, Vermont and checking the records there. Ah...the bill, as its written in the original form, the uniform bill provides protection for an individual who buys a car in Illinois under those circumstances looking at the clean Illinois title because the individual doesn't really have any way of checking it without going back to montpelier, Vermont and looking at it. He may not even know the car came from Vermont. The rational of the bill, however, is that a professional buyer,, like an automobile dealer ought to know that the car came from somewhere else and ought to know that Vermont is a non- title State and therefore should be on notice that he ought to check further to see if there is a foriegn lien on the car. So under the bill its written the Illinos purchaser who's an individual buyer, like you or me, would be protected but the automobile dealer would not be protected. The bill adds that protection for an Illinois dealer or a banker. A professional buyer in Illinois who really ought to be on notice because he ah...has clues from which he can determine the car came from another state. Ah...its a close question, in my opinion, as to whether we ought to adopt this amendmnnt. The reason for not adopting it is that its non uniform. It adds one little thing of non uniformity to the bill. The reason for the amendme GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 107. is that it ah...gives Illinois Automobile dealers and automobil bankers protection against the foriegn lender in the state whic. has an archiac law and really doesn't have any reason to be protected by Illinois law. As far as I'm concerned its about 50/50. As a matter of fact, one vote on the committee was 7 to 7 on its adoption. But I think all things considered, at least we could put the amendment on for the present time and Howie Carroll, before you ask me a question, I'll call it back to second reading for further amendments if there are any."
"One more question, Mr. Speaker, Out of curiosit did you find out in your interrogation during the committee hearings as to how the ah...creditors in Vermont are affected when they have no title with any showing that there is a creditc on record."
"Their protected by recording. If an automobile dealer or a bank lends on a car in Montpeliery Vermont or in Charelotte, North Carolina or wherever the southern states are, then they just simply take it down to the county recorders office, in some states its done on a county basis, or a statewić basis, or a municipal basis and they record it just as we do. But the only difference is that it doesn't show up on a title policy. On a certificate of title."
"Thank you."
"Gentleman from cook, Representative Duff."
"Ah...Representative Burditt, is it not possible for the automobile dealers and the bankers to protect themselves through the purchase of Chattel Mortgage Insurance?' GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 108.
"I presume it is, sure."
"In that event doesn't it seem like this wouldn't be necessary?"'
"Well, Brian, as I said I voted against the amendment in committee, but the committee was so split on it we couldn't have gotten the bill out of committee without except ing the amendment. I don't feel real strong about this. I presume you want to speak against the amendment ah...be my guest."
"Well, that an unecessary presumption."
"Thank you."
"Now, is there further discussion? Gentler. has moved the adoption of amendment no. 1 to Senate Bill 1505. All in favor of the adoption signify by saying 'aye', opposed 'no'. Amendment is adopted. Are there further amendments? Third reading. Third reading. Messages from the Senate."
"A Message from the Senate by Mr. Wright, Secre- tary. Mr. Speaker I am directed to inform the House of Representatives that the Senate has refused to recede from their amendments no. 1 and 2 to the bill with the following title; House Bill 3619. I am further directed to inform the House of Representatives the Senate Requests a committee Conference consists of five members of each house to consider the differenc this action taken by the Senate June 20, 1972. Kenneth Wright, Secretary."
"Senate Bills second reading. Senate Bill '1573." GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 109.
"Senate Bill 1573. Bill for an act to provide for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Commission..on the Illinois Commission on Intergovernmental Cooperation. Second reading of the bill. No committee amendments."
"Are there amendments from the floor? Third reading. Senate Bill 1577."
"Senate Bill 1577. Bill for an act to amend the Cigarette Tax act. Second reading of the bill. No committc amendments."
"Are there amendments from the floor? Third reading. Senate Bill 1578."
"Senate Bill 1578. Bill for an act to amend the cigarette Use. Tax Act. Second reading of the bill. No committee amendments."
"Are there amendments from the floor? Third reading. Senate Bill 1579."
"Senate Bill 1579. Bill for an act to amend the Cigarette Tax Act. Second reading of the bill. No committe amendments."
"Are there amendments from the floor? Third reading. Senate Bill 1580."
"Senate Bill 1580. Bill for an act to amend the Cigarette Use Tax Act. Second reading of the bill. No committee amendments."
"Are there amendments from the floor? Third reading. On the Speaker's table appears House Resolution 34. For which purpose the gentleman from Peoria, Representativ Lauterbach, is recognized." GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 110.
"Mr. Speaker and members of the House, eat Resolution 34 was introduced to recommend to the Governor and the Director of Agriculture to maintain the present dayanti laboratory at Peoria. This resolution was passed by the Agriculture Committee 14 and up and last year. Since the Peor Area has become 'hub' of activity in the movement of livestock through the local yards is felt by most of us in this are that it would be a mistake to abandon these facilities completely. At the present time the Peoria Diagnosti Center employes some 14 personnel and the cost per rental is only $9204 a year. A very small cost in relation to the work performed at this laboratory. There is ample room for expansion to many times its present size. We have a labor supply availab: with additional personnel if needed. And it provides inspectior facilities close to a great many dairy, poultry and livestock raisers. However, it is the plans of the Department of Agricult at the moment, that once new quarters are built at Kiwanee and upon its completion in about two years the Peoria Laboratory will be disconstinued. In this discussing this with learned men on the subject, I find that it makes good sense to me that we should establish, as we indicate in an amendment to HJR 34 a system of laboratories of a lesser cost across the State of Illinois, to more adequately serve Dairy,poultry and livestock areas. First of all we are not opposed to the one that will be built in Kiwanee, but we feel that less money should be spent on this operation and a portion of this cost used to construct additional centers in Pike, or Brown county, GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 111. which is almost equal in livestock producing as Henry County. We further feel that one should be established in the Northern part of the state, possible near Rockford so that producers from that area can have service within the State of Illinois rather than take their problems to Wisconsin. This would give us a fine system of one laboratory in Centralia that is already in existence, retain the one at Peoria already established and construct a new facility in Pike, or Brown county and construct one in Henry County as proposed, but at a lesser expense and construct one in the Northern part of the state. All of this would be backed up by facilities at the University of Illinois. This would make Illinois an ideal state in relation to Diagnostic Services for our Dairy, Poultry and livestock producing industry and Mr. Speaker, members of the House I request your favorable response to this resolution so that Illinois can maintain its status in this field of marketing."
"Is there any discusion? Gentleman has moved that the House adopt House Joint Resolution 34. All in favor of the adoption signify by saying 'aye'. Opposed 'no'. The Resolution is adopted. On the Speaker's table appears House Resolution 557. For which purpose the gentleman from cook, Representative Harold Washington, is recognized."
"Ah...Mr. Speaker, members of the House, House Resolution 557 simply urges the comprehensive Health Planning Review Agency to approve the application of the Problem in hospitals for Federal Ill burden funds. Ah... this resolution passed the executive committee May 5 without opposition. The GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 112. Governor of the State has indicated his support of Providing for these federal funds, I know of no opposition. I ask for your support."
"Is there any discussion? Gentleman has moved that the House adopt House Resolution 557. All in favor of the adoption signify by saying 'aye'. Opposed 'no', the resolution is adopted. On the order of Senate Joint Resolutions appears Senate Joint Resolution 74. For which purpose the gentleman from cook, Representative Moore is recognized."
"Thank you Mr. Speaker, ladies and gentlemen of the House, Senate Joint Resolution is a recommendation that has come out of the Legislative Advisory Commission on Public Aid. We are having problems in getting our Public Aid patients out of Hospitals and into ah...nursing and convelescent homes. Ah...what this resolution does, Mr. Speaker and members of the House, ah...it states that the state Housing Board may under- take studies to determine the desirability of extending by legislation the powers of the Housing Authorities to assist private construction and development of nursing and convelescent. homes for the aged or other persons in need of medical or nursir care or services. And they are to report back in January of 1973. I have discussed this resolution with the leadership on both sides of the aisle and at this time I would like to ask for unanimous consent for the suspension of the appropriate rules in the immediate adoption of this resolution."
"Is there any discussion? Gentleman from cook, Representative Juckett." GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATC OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 113.
"Mr. Speaker, I think, is there some questions evolving? My understanding is that he wants to suspend the rule and have it heard immediately? Well, Mr. Speaker, I have some questions about it so... I think I'd have to object then to the suspension and adoption."
"Well, ah...which do you want to take first, ah.. if there's any questions, fine." Robert S. Juckett; " What authority would the Housing Authority have for the building of these facilities if they decide to go ahead with them?"
"They have no authority at this time, all this resolution does is ask them to inquire into the feasibility of perhaps recommending legislation in 1973, whereby they could participate as of this point they have no authority whatsoever. And all this resolution does is ah... state that they may undertake studies to determine whether or not legisla- tion would be desirable in order to assist in this construction.
"And if they did have the authority what would they be able to do under their current power?"
"If they did have the authority as I understand it, ah....they presently can cooperate with authorized agencies to the federal government in the aid of the development of Housing for the aged and in the need of those ah... low income rent housing projects and so forth. Ah...there is a, I believe a guarantee type set up that the state does ah...get into ah under the present housing authority." GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 114.
"Don't they...don't these type of facilities, the nursine and convelescent homes, don't they come under like the Hill, Burden Act and other things where they can get the low inches of money and the grants to build these facilities now?"
"Not in the private sector."
"And what about Eugenia Chapman's bill whereby we would be giving ah..low cost interests free, or lower interest amounts to building of these kinds of facilities. Haven't we already done this act?"
"Apparently not, at least it wasn't Senator Groen's opinion that there was ah...sufficient authority because the housing, the present housing act is limited as to what they can go in to. And the one facit they cannot go into, as of this point, is the nursing and convelescent homes. The private sector of the nursing and convelescent homes field."
"Well, maybe this would enable the private operators to be able to advance private enterprise, and maybe its a good idea, so maybe it would be a good idea to have a study on it."
"The gentleman has moved for the unanimous consent. Are there any objections? Hearing none the gentleman has moved that the House adopt Senate Joint Resolution 74. All those in favor of the adoption signify by saying 'aye', opposed 'no'. The resolution is adopted. Agreed resolutions. Gentlema from cook, Representative Hyde." Fredric B. Selcke. "House Resolution 737, Duff, House Resolution GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 115. 738, Karmazyn."
"Ah...Mr. Speaker, ladies and gentlemen of the House, the agreed resolutions are as follows: 737 ah...wishes every good wish to the people of Wilmette on the happy occasion. of the Centennial Celebration of that Village, September 19,197 House Resolution 738 congratulates Mr. And Mrs. Harry B. Stoner, of Aurora on their successful journey through life ah...for 39 blissful years of marriage. Ah...and I now move adoption of the agreed resolutions."
"Gentleman has moved the adoption of the agreed resolutions. All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', opposed 'no'. And the resolutions are adopted. Further Resolutions."
"Ah...House Resolution 739, Berman."
"Gentleman from cook, Representative Hyde."
"Mr. Speaker, ladies and gentleman of the House, I now move that this house stand adjourned until the Hour of 11:00 a.m. tomorrow morning."
"All those in favor signify by saying 'aye' the opposed 'no'. And the House Stands adjourned." ADJOURNMENT AT 6:43 P.M. O'CLOCK 6/20/72 mdw GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES