Illinois House Floor Debate — April 13, 1982

"The House will come to order and the Members will be in their seats. We will be led in prayer this morning by the Associate Rector from the Christ, Episcopal Church,

Reverend Chuck Reeder. Reverend Reeder."

"Let us pray. Lord God, You are the Fountain of all wisdom. Your will is good and gracious, and Your laws, true. We pray that You guide and bless our Representatives. Fill them with the love of truth and righteousness and make them ever mindful of their calling to serve Your people in fear of You. Bless and guide them to enact laws which are for the welfare of the people. We pray this in Jesus, Your son, our Lord's name. Amen."

"Thank you, Reverend. We'll be led with the Pledge today by Representative Flinn."

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

"Roll Call for Attendance. Can I have your attention a minute, please? We have the former Speaker of the Illinois House here at the podium. He'd like to have a word with us for a minute. Bill Redmond."

"Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, I served here for 23 years and I know what a snap it is for you. No problems, everything you do everybody likes and they overpay you, so continue with the good luck. I certainly spent many happy days here and I hope you all have just as many as I had. Thank you."

"Take the record, Mr. Clerk. With 135 Members answering the Roll Call, a quorum of the House is present. Presi...The Gentleman from Cook, Representative O'Connell, for what purpose do you seek recognition?" 1  STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 91st Legislative Day April 13, 1982

"Mr. Speaker, I rep...I rise for purposes of an introduction."

"It's against the House rules, but proceed."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We have visiting us today, from the great Village of Hickory Hills, the great City of Hickory Hills, three Girl Scout troups led by scout leaders Nancy 'Knutson', Ann 'Casmeric' and Jerry 'Cody'. They're up in the gallery. Repre..."

"Welcome to the group from Hickory Hills."

"Representative Boucek, Representative Nelson and myself are their Legislators."

"Representative Collins, do you have any excused absences today?"

"Yes, Mr. Speaker. May the record show that Representative Hoffman is absent due to illness in the family and that Representatives Peters and Tuerk are absent due to illness."

"Representative Madigan, do you have any excused ab...Representative Madigan or Getty, who...who's got the list? Representative Madigan."

"Mr. Speaker, would the record show that Representative Vitek is excused because of an illness in his family, that Representative Braun is excused because of an illness in her family and that Representative Yourell is excused because of a death in his family. Mr. Speaker, would the record now show that Representative Vitek will be absent for all of this week because of the illness in his family? And we hope you're very well, Mr. Speaker."

"It all depends on your behavior, Mike, you know, how my health continues for the rest of this Session. I understand that..."

"Well, we...we're well rested over here."

"...you just came back from a long rest. Your tan 2  STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 91st Legislative Day April 13, 1982 is...looks good on you. I would hope that you don't pay a whole lot of attention to that fellow standing behind you. The record will so indicate."

"Which one? There's two of them here."

"That one right there, Mr. Ronan. Mr. Clerk, let the record indicate that Representatives Vitek, Braun and Yourell are absent. Representative Vitek will be absent all week, so he won't have to be excused each day. Representative Ropp, for what reason do you seek recognition?"

"Mr. Speaker, I have an introduction, please."

"It's against the House rules, Mr. Ropp."

"I know it. I appreciate your kindness, though. In the gallery to the rear and to our immediate right, we have a group of fine ladies representing the McLean County Farm Bureau Women's Committee, and I would like to have them stand and the House give them a very warm welcome to the House chamber. Ladies."

"Welcome to the group. Nice to have you in the Illinois House. Committee Reports."

"Representative Pullen, Chairman from the Committee on Executive to which the following Bills were referred, action taken April 1, 1982 and reported the same back with the following recommendations: 'do pass' House Bill 1841, House Joint Resolution Constitutional Amendment #20 and House Joint Resolution Constitutional Amendment #27."

"On the Calendar on page two under the Order of House Bills, Second Reading, appears House Bill 89, Representative Deuster. Representative Deuster in the chamber? Out of the record. House Bill 711, Representative Cullerton. Out of the record. House Bill 921, Representative Miller. Want the Bill heard, Representative? Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk." 3  STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 91st Legislative Day April 13, 1982

"House Bill 921, a Bill for an Act to amend the Inheritance Tax and Transfer Tax Law. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Are there any Motions filed with respect to Amendments?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2, Miller..."

"Representative Miller, you just filed that Amendment?"

"Yes, prior to today's Session, Mr..."

"Pardon."

"Prior to today's Session."

"Has the Amendment been printed and distributed, Mr. Clerk? Representative Miller, the Amendment has not been printed nor distributed, so we're going to have to take your Bill out of the record until such time that the Amendment's ready."

"Thank you."

"House Bill 957, Representative Daniels. Out of the record. House Bill 1004, Representative Kelley. Out of the record. House Bill 1108, Representative Schneider. Representative Schneider in the chamber? Out of the record. House Bill 1317, Representative Daniels. Out of the record. House Bill 1346, Representative McClain. Out of the record. House Bill 1351, Representative Winchester. Out of the record. House Bill 1502, Representative Abramson. Representative Abramson on 1502? Out. Out of the record. House Bill 1543, Representative Levin. Out of the record. ...Calendar on page three under the Order of House Bills, Third Reading appears House Bill 79, Representative Catania. Out of the record. Welcome back, Susan. House Bill 139, Representative Wikoff. 4  STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 91st Legislative Day April 13, 1982 Representative Wikoff on 139. Out of the record. House Bill 156, Representative Stearney. Out of the record. Yes, I did. On page three under the Order of House Bills, Third Reading appears House Bill 210, Representative Tuerk. Out of the record. House Bill 211, Representative Vinson. Representative Vinson, you want your Bill called? Representative Vinson on House...House Bill 211. You want to table it? Oh. Out of the record. House Bill 281, Representative Deuster. Out of the record. House Bill 369, Representative Robbins. Out of the record? Representative Robbins."

"I'd like to table the Bill, please."

"You...The Gentleman asks leave to table House Bill 369. Are there any objections? Hearing none leave is granted and House Bill 369 is tabled. We'll be glad to accept any other Motions similar to that or exactly like it. House Bill 429, Representative Pechous. Out of the record. House Bill 519, Representative Hoxsey. Out of the record. House Bill 554, Representative Daniels. Out of the record. House Bill 555, Tuerk. Out of the record. 556, Tuerk. Out of the record. 615, Swanstrom. Out of the record. House Bill 618, Representative Topinka. Out of the record. House Bill 625, Representative Huff. Want the Bill heard, Representative? Turn him on. Representative Huff."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'd like to move to have that Bill tabled."

"Gentleman asks leave to table House Bill 625. Are there any objections? Hearing none, leave is granted and House Bill 625 is tabled. House Bill 658, Representative Collins. Out of the record. House Bill 665, Representative Catania. Representative Catania on 665? Out of the record. House Bill 703, Representative Watson. 5  STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 91st Legislative Day April 13, 1982 Out of the record. House Bill 710, Representative Klemm. Out of the record. House Bill 712, Representative Terzich. Out of the rec...Out of the record. House Bill 714, Representative Klemm. Out of the record. House Bill 730, Representative Pierce. Out of the record. House Bill 731, Representative Robbins. 731. Out of the record. House Bill 745, Representative Stearney. Out of the record. House Bill 78...798, Representative Hannig. Out of the record. House Bill 804, Representative Macdonald. Representative Macdonald on House Bill 804? Out of the record. House Bill 807, Representative Tuerk. Out of the record. For what purpose does the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Lechowicz seek recognition?"

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, for the purpose of an introduction. A former Member of this House, and a really outstanding Member of the General Assembly for about seven years, is now the city clerk of the City of Chicago, really doesn't need any introduction, our good friend, Walter Kozubowski is with us today."

"Walter, welcome back to the Illinois House. House Bill 839, Representative Karpiel. Out of the record. House Bill 842, Representative Rigney. Out of the record. House Bill 845, Representative Grossi. Out of the record. House Bill 859, Representative Karpiel. 859, Representative Karpiel? Oh, there she is. Out of the record. How about 877, Representative McPike? Out of the record. How about 918, DiPrima? Out of the record. 943, Tuerk. Out of the record. House Bill 944, Tuerk. Out of the record. House Bill 964, Hoffman. Out of the record. House Bill 970, Nelson. Out of the record. House Bill 1003, Birkinbine. House Bill 1003, Birkinbine. Gentleman's not in the chamber? Out of the record. House Bill 1023, Tuerk. Out of the record. 1025, Topinka. 6  STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 91st Legislative Day April 13, 1982 House Bill 1025, Representative Topinka. Page five under House Bills, Third Reading, moving right along, appears House Bill 1035, Representative Kociolko. Out of the record. House Bill 1060, Representative Levin. Ellis says no. Out of the record. House Bill 1078, Representative Bower. Out. Out of the record. House Bill 1093, Braun. Out of the record. House Bill 1120, Representative Preston. Out of the record. House Bill 1154, Representative Stanley. Out of the record. House Bill 1158, Representative McPike. Out of the record. House Bill 1162, Representative Pullen. Out of the record. House Bill 1178, Representative Hoffman. Out of the record. House Bill 1180, Representative Ropp. Is there anybody in the chamber that would like to do business here today? Call a Bill? Second Reading? Third Reading? House Bill 1208, Representative Macdonald. Out of the record. House Bill 1215, Representative Levin. What do you want to do with that one, Ellis? Turn on Representative Levin. He wants to do a little business here."

"Okay. Yes, Mr. Speaker, I would ask leave to move it back to Second Reading and leave it there."

"Gentleman asks leave to return House Bill 1215 to the Order of Second Reading. Are there any objections? Hearing none, leave is granted. House Bill 1215 is returned to the Order of Second Reading. House Bill 1219, Representative Stearney. Out of the record. House Bill 1222, Representative Bowman. Representative Bowman in the chamber? Out of the record. For what purpose does the Gentleman from DeWitt County, Representative Vinson, seek recognition?"

"Well, Mr. Speaker, a minute ago you asked if there was anybody that was willing to take any action on any Bill and 7  STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 91st Legislative Day April 13, 1982 I would be prepared to act on House Bill 1524 at this point, if that's your pleasure."

"Well, Representative, if you'll just stay in your chair and be patient, I'll be at 1524 in probably a minute and a half."

"I will stay in my chair and be patient..."

"I'd prepare yourself to present the Bill."

"...and trust my future to your hands."

"Thank you very much. On page six under the Order of House Bills, Third Reading, moving right along, appears House Bill 1229, Representative Stewart. All right. Now there's a Representative who wants to do business. Call the...Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 1229, a Bill for an Act in relationship to the offense of rape and the penalties prescribed thereto. Third Reading of the Bill."

"The Lady from Cook, Representative Stewart, on House Bill 1229."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 1229 addresses the heinous crime of gang rape. Currently..."

"Excuse me, just a minute, Representative, just a minute. Let's have your attention in the chamber, if we may, please. This is Third Reading, final action, proceed."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Currently, there are no provisions in the law which specifically address the...the punishment for the crime of gang rape. I'm certain that all of the Members here in the chamber can appreciate what kind of a crime it is, the kind of effect, long-lasting effect, it has on the victim, and would also appreciate the fact that they would not like to see these people who perpetuate this kind of crime, particularly gang rape, get 8  STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 91st Legislative Day April 13, 1982 away so easily. House Bill 1229 has been amended. What it now calls for...What it now does is provide a...provide a basis for a Judge to provide an extended sentence if, in fact, a gang rape occurred. And I'd ask...I'm willing to answer any questions you might have. I'd ask for your favorable consideration."

"Is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Cullerton."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I just wish to add my voice of support for this Bill. It does give...fills an oversight that we have in the law right now. If a person is convicted of participating in a gang rape, there's no provision in the law, now, that would provide for a stricter penalty than if it was something other than a gang rape, and there certainly, clearly, should be a stronger penalty. What this means is if a person, instead of only serving 15 years, the maximum, in jail for rape, could spend up to 30 years if it was such of a heinous crime. I think it's an excellent Bill because it does work within the framework of giving the Judge the discretion to determine whether or not they should be given a greater amount of time. For that reason, I think it's an excellent Bill and I encourage everyone to vote for it."

"Is there any further discussion? The question is, 'Shall House Bill 1229 pass?'. All in favor will signify by voting 'aye', all opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Take the record, Mr. Clerk. On this question, 156 have voted 'aye', none voting 'no', none voting 'present'. This Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 1244, Representative Currie. You saw how easy it was, Representative. Out of the record. House Bill 1254, 9  STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 91st Legislative Day April 13, 1982 Representative Keane. Out of the record. House Bill 1260, Representative Wikoff. Out of the record. House Bill 1261, Representative Wikoff. Out of the record. House Bill 1268, Representative McAuliffe. Out of the record. House Bill 1296, Representative Ewing. Out of the record. House Bill 1299, Representative Terzich. You want the Bill called? Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

Clerk Leone: "House Bill 1299, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Pension Code. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Gentleman from Cook, Representative Terzich, on 1299."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, House Bill 1299 amends the Chicago Firemen's Article of the Pension Code, which includes the fire paramedics and the fire membership and the fund retroactive for the fire paramedics employed by the City prior to January 1, 1982. It requires contribution into the fund to cover the period of retroactivity. At the present time on the Chicago Fire Department, approximately five years ago, the paramedics were undertaken by the Chicago Fire Department. There is approximately 400 members of the paramedic unit that work the same schedule as the active firefighters. At the present time, the firefighters' system includes firemen, fire engineers, marine engineers and fire pilots whose duty is to participate in working in controlling and extinguishing the fire. This would also include the paramedics. Also, it provides that the paramedics would contribute the same amount as the active firefighters and I would urge your support of the Bill."

Speaker Ryan: "Any further discussion? The Gentleman from DeKalb, Representative Ebbesen."

"Yes, would the Sponsor yield?"

"Indicates he will." 10  STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 91st Legislative Day April 13, 1982

"Representative Terzich, are there any other paramedics in the State of Illinois that are under such pension system?"

"What do you mean other paramedics? You mean other fire..."

"Well, throughout the state, wh...is this a...is this a first?"

"Well, at the...at the present time, the downstate fire systems, if the fireman is an active firefighter and also a paramedic, he would be covered as a firefighter. This would just have the paramedics included in the Chicago Fire Department. I...I don't believe any other system does have it, unless there's cross training."

"Could you tell me how much this is going to cost?"

"Well, the cost on it is approximately 1.2 million on the unemployment liability and the annual increase cost of 331 thousand dollars; however, that the contributions on it would be made by the paramedics."

"Would this...Would this come out of the property taxes of people of the City of Chicago, that revenue?"

"Well, that's the way the present system is funded. Whatever the differential is would be on the...out of the Chicago..."

"All right. How is the...What is the position of Pension Laws Commission on this legislation?"

"The...From my understanding that the Pensions Laws Commission is opposed of this legislation; however, that the paramedics, again, are members of the Chicago Fire Department and I understand that the City of Chicago is also approving this type of action to include the paramedics."

"Mr. Speaker, to the Bill, I'd just like to bring to the attention of the House that, to me, I'm sure that the 11  STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 91st Legislative Day April 13, 1982 paramedics do an outstanding job without any question, but when we start looking at this as a concept, it is an initial concept, and certainly would probably serve as the forerunner to paramedics throughout the entire state changing systems and, to me, the increased cost of the unfunded accrued liability state-wide, downstate fire departments and to the taxpayers, plus the fact that the annual cost, just looking at the financial aspect of it especially at this particular time, it might be excellent legislation for sometime in the future. It is a House Bill and, even if it was to pass this House, as bad as it is, I'm sure that it would meet with disfavor in the Rules Committee in the Senate and it ought to be soundly defeated today."

"Is there any further discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Keane."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise in support of this legislation. Over the past ten years I think anyone who is aware of fire and safety and public health has become aware of the growing involvement and the growing need of our communities for the paramedics. The paramedics in the Cook County area, both in the city and the suburban areas, have a much higher level of call. They are out on the street in the service of our citizens a lot more than the normal firemen. I think that it's...would be...this Bill is very equitable and I think that if any of us or all of us think of the difference that we have in terms of paramedics services today as versus ten years ago, we would have to support it. I would ask for your support. Thank you."

"Any further discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Terzich, to close."

"Well, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, the paramedics do a tremendous job in the City of Chicago 12  STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 91st Legislative Day April 13, 1982 and are willing to pay for participation in the fund and I would urge your support."

"The question is, 'Shall House Bill 1299 pass?'. All in favor will signify by voting 'aye', all opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Take the record, Mr. Clerk. On this question there are 72 voting 'aye', 84 voting 'no', 2 voting 'present'. This Bill, having failed to receive a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared lost. House Bill 1338, Representative O'Brien. Out of the record. House Bill 1345, Representative McPike. Out of the record. House Bill 1423, Representative Henry. Out of the record. The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Birkinbine, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'd ask leave of the House to table a Bill of which I'm the Sponsor."

"What...What's the number, Representative?"

"House Bill 2267."

"2260?"

"2267."

"2267. Gentleman asks leave to table House Bill 2267. Are there any objections? Hearing none, leave is granted. House Bill 2267 is tabled. Representative Leon, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"

"I'd like to table a Bill, Mr. Speaker."

"What number, Representative?"

"2387."

"The Gentleman asks leave to table House Bill 2387. Are there any objections? Hearing none, leave is granted. House Bill 2387 is hereby de...tabled. Continuing down the Calendar, House Bill 1442, Representative Telcser. Out of the record. House Bill 1469, Representative J. J. Wolf. Out of the record. House Bill 1492, Representative Rea. 13  STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 91st Legislative Day April 13, 1982 Out of the record. House Bill 1520, Representative Rea. Out of the record. Now, House Bill 1524, Representative Vinson. Are you ready? Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 1524, a Bill for an Act to amend the Business Corporation Act. Third Reading of the Bill."

"The Gentleman from DeWitt, Representative Vinson, on 1524."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. The purpose of House Bill 1524 is to make sure that we do not, in error, tax federal assistance to railroads in this state. Some years back, the Federal Congress set up a structure to assist the bankrupt Northeast and Midwest Railroads, the...predominately, the Penn Central Railroads. The way that structure worked was that there was an operating company set up called Conrail, which took over and operated the Penn Central. There was a second corporation set up which was to pump financial assistance, federal financial assistance, federal tax dollars, into Conrail. That company was called the United States Railroad Administration. The way in which it was to pump that financial assistance into Conrail was to buy stock in Conrail. It has bought that stock in Conrail. Now, the nature of that transaction, the nature of that federal assistance, operates in such a fashion in the state of Illinois that, technically under the laws of the State of Illinois, when it buys that stock, it has to pay a franchise tax to the State of Illinois. The purpose of this Bill is to create an exception to that franchise tax so that Conrail and the United States Railroad Corporation will not have to pay that tax to the state. I would submit to you that it's a highly desirable Bill because, what the purpose of that financial assistance is for is to upgrade the operation of Conrail, to improve the roadbed, to 14  STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 91st Legislative Day April 13, 1982 improve its ability to deliver rail service to the people of the State of Illinois and for those reasons, I would urge passage of House Bill 1524."

"Is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Greiman."

"I wonder if the Gentleman might yield for a question."

"I didn't hear you, Representative."

"Wonder if he would yield for a question or two."

"Would you yield?"

"Yes, Sir."

"Indicates he will."

"Okay. It's my understanding that railroad corporations are already excluded automatically from the Business Corporations Act and for the licensing provisions. Isn't that true?"

"Representative, we added an Amendment to House Bill 1524 that corrects the actual language of the original Bill so that we do provide the exemption to the proper tax."

"Supposing that the stock is sold, supposing the Federal Government now holds it and this classification has become exempt under this Bill and ten years from now the stock is sold or the stock is transferred in some kind of a trust to private interest or private individuals, am I...aren't I not correct that the exemption would continue because the exemption is on a class of stock rather than ownership? Isn't that the case?"

"I believe the...I believe the tax, Representative, the incidence of the tax falls on the issuance of the stock."

"Well, licensing...license fees are, and franchise taxes, are annual taxes. Are they not? And this, as I understand it, exempts...exempts that classification of taxes...of stock. So that if that classification of stock is sold later on, I don't know this, I mean I'm just asking 15  STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 91st Legislative Day April 13, 1982 questions, I have no...no sense of this Bill at all. I never heard of this Bill until a minute ago. But, if you exempt a classification of taxes...of stock and that stock is later sold, the stock is still so classified, unless the exemption is directly toward the ownership. And that wouldn't be in the BCA, that would be someplace else, I assume, because the Business Corporation Act merely establishes the kind of stock that you have."

"Representative, the situation you're talking about would not create an exemption from the tax. If that were to occur, any tax that would properly be paid in another similar situation where the Federal Government was excluded, would be paid."

"Well, is there something..."

"It is not our intention to provide any exemption for the situation you have just described."

"Well, except...Well, okay. On the Bill, I think I'm going to vote 'present' not because I...maybe because I don't understand this Bill. It seems to me that if a stock is declared...a classification of stock is exempted, unless we relate that strictly to the Federal Government owning it, in other words, if we said, 'stock owned by the Federal Government shall be exempt', so that obviously the minute the Federal Government divested itself of that stock, the tax would arise on that stock. But that's not, as I understand it, what this Bill says. What this Bill says is a particular classification of stock will be exempt. Accordingly, I think I'm going to, very unsurely, vote 'present' on this Bill."

"Is there any further discussion? Gentleman from Cook, Representative Getty."

"Will the Gentleman yield?"

"He indicates he will." 16  STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 91st Legislative Day April 13, 1982

"Representative Vinson, do I understand that, at present, Conrail is not incorporated under the laws of the State of Illinois?"

"It's not a question of the incorporation of the corporation in a particular state. What we are taxing is the issuance of stock currently, not the the existence of the corporation, but the issuance of stock. And the issuance of the stock is what is the subject of the taxation in this case."

"You're talking about the issuance of stock in the State of Illinois, that would be taxed if Conrail were to issue stock here. Is that correct?"

"That's correct."

"Are they presently issuing stock here?"

"Yes, they have in the past, and they are..."

"And what is...what is...how much revenue has the State of Illinois received so far as a result of it?"

"The...The estimate of the per year loss in revenue, as a result of this action, is 45 thousand dollars."

"And who provided that estimate, Representative?"

"Department of Revenue, I believe, Representative. No, the Secretary of State, I'm sorry. Secretary of State."

"Would there be any revenue loss over the estimated three year period other than 45 thousand dollars, if this were to pass and become law?"

"No. I mean..."

"So..."

"...to the best of my knowledge, no. I mean, I would...I am not prepared to tell you that my financial projections or the financial projections of the Secretary of State are substantially better than those economic projections, acknowledged experts, who have been proven wrong in the field, but our best estimate is that there would be a 45 17  STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 91st Legislative Day April 13, 1982 thousand dollar per year loss."

"Forty-five thousand dollars per year."

"Yes, Sir."

"Okay. For each of the next three years."

"Yes, Sir."

"And then after that, what would it be, if you know?"

"Representative, my understanding is that it would be a 45 thousand dollar loss per year. I don't know where you brought in the 'each of the next three years'."

"I thought you did, Representative."

"No, I did not. A 45 thousand dollar per year loss of revenue."

"And no additional revenue loss is anticipated to the state from anything?"

"That is correct."

"Thank you."

"Is there any further discussion? The Gentleman from...or the Lady from St. Clair, Representative Younge."

"Representative Vinson, why would the State of Illinois want to forego the license fee if the corporation, if Conrail, is basically financed by the Federal Government? Why would we want to lose income if we are basically talking about a federal resource?"

"Representative, the function of the revenue that we realize, if we did not realize it, would be to go for improvements in railroad right-of-way, improvements in railroad switching facilities, improvements in transportation. I believe you, probably better than most Members on the floor, understand the importance of the railroad network in Illinois. What this 45 thousand dollars per year would do, if we forego it, would be to improve our railroad network and that is the objective of the Bill." 18  STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 91st Legislative Day April 13, 1982

"The cost of railroad improvement amounts to millions and billions of dollars. I can't quite understand how a 45 thousand dollar fee over the next three years can, in any way, be a factor in a consideration when you're talking about millions of dollars of expenditure for the revitalization. I...I don't see the point."

"Well, I would simply suggest an immediate example to you that...and I'll try to bring it as close to home as I can. Now, if you take a look at some of the railroad trackage in the Wood River area which bisects several large refineries there, you're going to find that that railroad trackage has been under ten mile an hour slow orders for a long period of time. It's very dangerous. Those rail...Those railroad tracks carry cars with hazardous dangerous chemicals. Stop and think about what would happen if you had an explosion in the midst of a refinery in that Wood River area there. Now what I am simply, pardon me, Representative, what I am simply suggesting to you is that the opportunity to put that 45 thousand dollars into the improvement of railroad trackage there or at any other critical point in this state, so that you did not have that kind of dangerous hazard for the potential of a railroad accident merits your consideration of this Bill. I think you know how important railroads are in the state and how important railroad traffic is in the state. And, again, I would say to you that we are not in any way benefiting some private individual, because we are not foregoing revenue or giving a tax incentive to some private individual. We're simply trying to make sure the current and existing taxpayer funds go for the purpose of improving railroad right-of-way."

"In other words, we're giving a tax incentive to the Federal Government? I...My question really is, in a period where we're having difficulty finding funds to improve 19  STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 91st Legislative Day April 13, 1982 highways and human services, why would we want to waive a source of revenue for the state right now?"

"Well, my answer to your question is that if you look at the City of East St. Louis, if you look at many areas in the City of Chicago, if you look at areas throughout this state, one of the problems has been that the railroad network has broken down so substantially that we are having to transfer freight that would otherwise be hauled by railroad to heavy trucks. Those heavy trucks do enormous damage to highway pavement. We would actually be improving, by this investment in railroads, highway pavement in this state, in your area, in my area and Representative Getty's area."

"Is there any further discussion? The Gentlemen from Winnebago, Representative Kelley."

"Mr. Speaker, I move the previous question."

"Well, that's really not necessary because I was just going to call on Representative Vinson to close. Representative Vinson to close."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I have appreciated the searching inquiry into this Bill because it's on such a pressing and critical point of concern, the transportation network of our state, the improvement of the railroad system and, as we all know, the improvement of roads, which goes hand-in-hand. And I would certainly urge your passage of this Bill. The revenue that is foregone will be spent on the improvement of railroad right-of-way and will help, as little as it is, to improve the quality of the railroad network in the state. It is not a tax exemption, in any way, for a private individual, it just simply means that the money will be spent where it ought to be spent and I would request and urge you to vote green on this. I would move for the passage of House Bill 20  STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 91st Legislative Day April 13, 1982 1524, Mr. Speaker."

"The question is, 'Shall House Bill 1524 pass?'. All in favor will signify by voting 'aye', all opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Take the record, Mr. Clerk. On this question there are 89 voting 'aye'...or 91 voting 'aye', 12 voting 'no' and 45 voting 'present'. This Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Do you want to try again, Representative? 1525? Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 1525, a Bill for an Act to create the Illinois Group Care Finance Commission. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Gentleman from DeWitt, Representative Vinson, on House Bill 1525."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This Bill is far less controversial than the previous Bill. The Illinois Group Care...the Joint Task Force on Group Health Care Finance, a number of committees and so forth, have, for a long period of time, been studying problems with the nursing home system in the State of Illinois. I think the Members of this General Assembly will remember that a few years back, we passed a Bill that would sunset the existing point-care system that the Public Aid Department use...uses to reimburse nursing homes. That sunset date is this summer. So, in effect, there will be no system in place as of this summer. Now the purpose of this Bill is to set up a new system that will, fairly and adequately in a fiscally prudent way, reimburse the nursing homes in the State of Illinois. It is also a system...It also creates a system which shall subject nursing home reimbursement to close and skeptical legislative scrutiny. The way in which this system works is that we set up a 21  STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 91st Legislative Day April 13, 1982 Commission which is charged with determining what the accurate rate, the accurate cost of nursing home care is. That Commission then comes in with its rate, publishes that rate. Now if, in fact, we discover that there are inadequate funds in a budget, in a budgetary year, to reimburse the nursing homes at that rate, then what we would have to do, as a Legislature, is adopt a Resolution prorating those available funds to the nursing homes, so that no one would be benefited or disadvantaged by a bureaucratic decision. It would put the onus and the pressure and the decision-making responsibility on us to say, in fact, there is not enough money to reimburse nursing homes as fully as they ought to be. But, we would make that decision after careful scrutiny of the issue. It would not be a bureaucrat in the back room of the Department of Public Aid, Department of Public Health or some other agency. No gnome in the Bureau of the Budget would make the decision. We would have to make that decision as, in fact, I believe, people expect us to make important decisions. I think...that's what the Bill does. I think it's a responsible Bill. I think that it's a Bill which both recognizes the need for fair and accurate nursing home cost reimbursement, but also places with that...recognizes with that our responsibility for fiscal prudence. So, I would urge you to consider the Bill favorably and I would request a green vote on the Bill. I would be glad to answer any questions."

"Is there any further discussion? The Gentleman from McLean, Representative Ropp."

"Mr. Speaker, would the Sponsor yield to a question?"

"He indicates he will."

"Representative Vinson, I am in full support of this idea in terms of what I think could be done. My question 22  STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 91st Legislative Day April 13, 1982 is...I've got two questions. How soon will this Commission act and, since this is trying to replace another funding mechanism that apparently is not going to act, how can we have assurance that we're going to see some action on this particular Bill?"

"The Bill would require the Commission to begin setting rates by March 1, 1983, Representative. And what would have to occur in the interim while the Commission is adopting its resetting methodology would be that the Department of Public Aid, Public Health and the gnomes in the Bureau of the Budget that I referred to earlier would set rates until then."

"Then the second question is what will this Bill do to the current differences in payment of a private pay person versus a public aid recipient?"

"Well, my objective is to make each patient pay his full share. Now, because the Legislature under this Bill, would have the option of prorating the nursing home rate if the Legislature, in its wisdom, feels there's inadequate money available, that may not ultimately result. But, it moves the decision, Representative, in effect, from the second floor to the third floor. You and I have full participation in it. It will not be a back room decision any longer and that's the real objective of the Bill. It's really a sunshine Bill, if you will."

"Okay, thank you."

"Is there any further discussion? The Gentleman from Sangamon, Representative Kane."

"Would the Gentleman yield for a question?"

"Indicates he will."

"Representative Vinson, on what basis will rates be determined or set? I find in Section 704, where it talks about reimbursement shall be determined by taking into 23  STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 91st Legislative Day April 13, 1982 account actual, allowable and reasonable costs. What do you mean by actual, allowable and reasonable costs?"

"What we mean by actual, allowable and reasonable costs is that actual cost, in the sense that costs that are, in fact, incurred; allowable cost, in the sense that we would permit certain costs not to be incurred; and reasonable costs, in the sense that you might, in an allowable, actual cost, buy a very expensive steak when in fact you could buy that steak at a cheaper cost. Reasonable in this sense means prudent."

"How would you envision, then, this Commission holding down the costs? I mean, what mechanism are you going to use?"

"The objective of the...of this Commission is to arrive at what are accurate costs. I don't know that that is necessarily cost containment, in this particular case. But what the mechanism by which the Commission would arrive at what is a fair and reasonable cost would be to survey data submitted by homes petitioning for rates. It would det...compare those with other homes similarly situated and it would apply normal business sense, business judgements, in the sense of reasonable or prudent costs."

"What standards would this Commission use?"

"Well, it would use the standards in the Statutes of actual, allowable, reasonable costs."

"What standards would the Commission use for what is allowable?"

"For what is allowable, Representative?"

"Yes."

"Allowable costs would range across the field of nursing costs, capital costs and support costs."

"What are..."

"The Commission could make a determination that, in fact, a particular cost in the case of a particular home ought be 24  STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 91st Legislative Day April 13, 1982 excluded from allowable. And, on the basis of guidelines established, in the rule-making process because that particular cost or that particular service was extraordinary and was not reasonable, was not...was not something necessary, if you will, for the care of a patient."

"Are there any guidelines at all in this Bill which would direct the Commission or point the Commission in a direction which would say this is something that should be allowable or these are the standards that the Commission should use in its rule-making procedure, as to what is allowable or not?"

"I want to answer you two ways so that you thoroughly understand the nature of the answer, Representative. We clearly say that nursing costs, capital costs and support costs can be reimbursed. What we do not do is to identify particular elements of capital, nursing and support costs that are either excluded or included."

"But what guidelines would the Commission use or what instruction is the Legislature go...giving in this Bill to say what is allowable or how to define allowable or how to define reasonable?"

"Well, those terms have legislative and regulatory histories. Now, for instance, the term allowable has been used both in the case of the Illinois Department of Public Aid, in its Medicaid reimbursement operations, for several years; it's been used in the Medicare field for a number of years. It has a long legal history. The term actual, I just don't think you need any greater definition of that. An actual cost is a cost that is incurred. You can't submit a bill for a cost that's not incurred. A reasonable cost is, again, what is reasonable in the judgement of normal, reasonable businessmen. And, yes, indeed, we would 25  STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 91st Legislative Day April 13, 1982 be imposing on this Commission the necessity to adopt guidelines and so forth pursuant to that. Those guidelines would be fully subject to the publication and approval process that this Legislature has established through 'J. Carr' and so forth. It would be a very open process in which we would have the full option to come back in here, at some point, and say that some particular expense that they disallowed ought to be allowed or that a particular expense that they allowed ought to be disallowed. What this does is to try to set up a general framework."

"What is the mechanism in this Bill for holding costs down?"

"There are two mechanisms in the Bill for holding costs down. The first mechanism in the Bill is that the Commission is compelled to ensure that costs are reasonable. The second mechanism in the Bill for holding costs down is the Legislature's ability, directly, in this Bill, to proration expenditures, under the...that the Commission would authorize."

"How is this better than the present system?"

"Brings it out into the sunshine, number one. The cur...What happens in the current system, and I believe that you know this as well as I do, Representative, in the current system the Director of the Bureau of the Budget sits down in the back room with the Director of Public Aid, Director of Public Health and tells them how much we can spend on nursing homes this year. Then, they go out and try to develop some elaborate formula as to how that should be distributed among nursing homes. Now, what this does, this brings the Legislature very squarely into the process. We make that decision as to how much money is going to be expended in the year. It is not a front end decision by the bureaucrats. In addition to that, the...I might just 26  STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 91st Legislative Day April 13, 1982 relate one particular incident to you about the kind of formulas that are currently being used in the reimbursement process. Right now there is not, in this state to the best of my knowledge, at least at the time the audit was conducted, there is not a 50 point patient. If there were a 50 point patient, a 50 point patient would be reimbursed for less than a 49 point patient. The way the system works right now, as you get higher and higher in the point-count system, you do not actually get more reimbursement. The rate of reimbursement goes down. Now I don't know if that's some bureaucrat making a final determination that at some point we just have to support vegetables and we cannot try to get them off of the beds, we cannot try to bring them back, rehabilitate them and move them out. I don't know whether that is the implicit judgement in that system. I would simply point out to you that the Auditor General, in his analysis of the present system, said that the present system defies analysis."

"How does this differ from the Illinois Health Finance Authority?"

"Well, it differs in a number of ways, Representative. Number one, the proration mechanism is not available in the Health Finance Authority. There is no process in that Act for having the Legislature come in and make a determination that too much money would be spent under their rates and that the money shall be prorated. That's number one. Number two, hospitals and nursing homes are very different things. The percentage...The percentages that you look at state-wide for the number of public pay patients in hospitals is much lower than the number of public pay patients in nursing homes. The nursing home industry really is a creature of the Medicaid-Medicare Acts. The...We are, in essence, in a monopsonistic position in 27  STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 91st Legislative Day April 13, 1982 the nursing home industry. I would argue that we are not in the hospital industry. That is a...That is a critical point. Finally, under the Hospital Rate Agency, the state sets rates for all patients. The state does not set rates just for the patients the state sends. Under this Bill, the state sets rates only for the patients that the state pays for, and that rate is not binding on other patients or on the way in which the nursing homes act with regard to other patients. I believe that those are the primary ways in which this Bill differs from the Hospital Rate Regulatory Scheme, this Legislature, I think, mistakenly adopted a few years back."

"I have no further questions."

"Is there any further discussion? The Lady from Marshall, Representative Koehler."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Would the Sponsor yield for a question, please? Representative, I know that the nursing home operators in my district are complaining drastically about the current system and say that the current system is woefully inadequate. Now, most of the operators in my district are operating on a margin. Some are losing money and some are going out of business. Now, how does this system...how would it better serve the people, the nursing home operators, in my district over the current system that we now have?"

"Okay. There are two particular ways in which I'd like to answer your question. Currently, a nursing home operator will complain about two things with regards to rates. Number one, they will complain about the total amount of revenue that they are deriving for the service they are giving. Number two, they will complain about the fact that rates are not equitable among nursing homes or among patients. Now, what this Bill will do, it will get 28  STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 91st Legislative Day April 13, 1982 you, as a Legislator, it will get a nursing home owner or operator, as a citizen, a fair accurate, reasonable estimate of the cost of...of what the cost is of treating those patients. It will get the knowledge out of what fair rates are. Number two, it will impose on you, as opposed to somebody on the second floor or somebody in Public Aid or somebody in Public Health, it will impose on you the decision as to how much money you are going to put into the system. You will have to make a decision, not somebody far removed from the town of Henry. It will impose on you that responsibility. That's not an easy responsibility to take, I understand that. But it will move that system much closer to the people who have to pay and who' get benefited."

"Thank you."

"Is there any further discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Bullock."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I move the previous question."

"The Gentleman has moved the previous question, but I think that was the last...no, not really. I think we've got one left, Representative. Will you withhold that? Representative Van Duyne."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would just like to ask the Gentleman whether or not this is still subject to the budgetary process of both Houses or, I hope it wouldn't be mandated by this Commission."

"I'm sorry, Mr. Speaker, I did not catch the question. Could he repeat it?"

"The question is would this still be up to the budgetary process of the Appropriations Committees in both Houses?"

"Yes, Sir."

"Okay, thank you." 29  STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 91st Legislative Day April 13, 1982

"Representative Vinson to close on House Bill 1525."

"Repre...Mr. Speaker, I believe it might be appropriate for me to yield to Representative Rea, my Co-Sponsor, to close. Do you want to close, Jim?"

"The Gentleman from Franklin, Representative Rea, to close on House Bill 1525."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. As a Member of the Joint Committee on Nursing Home Reimbursement, I know we've received considerable information as we traveled throughout the state and as we've conducted hearings. And, during the last few months, we've had lots of calls from nursing homes in terms of nursing home reimbursement. And, there needs to be, and this provides, a vehicle for the review of the rates. And, reimbursement, as it was stated earlier, really needs to be made upon the actual, allowable and supportive costs. It should be on the actual and allowable, like the nursing services, the fair rent value of capital costs, allowable costs of nurses aid training and also, at the same time, provide a profit for the nursing home operation. I feel this legislation is needed and it's one that we, I hope, people on both sides of the aisle will support and give a 'yes' vote on this important legislation."

"All right. The question is, 'Shall House Bill 1525 pass?'. All in favor will signify by voting 'aye', all opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Take the record, Mr. Clerk. Representative Conti, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"

"Well, Mr. Speaker, I don't want to take up the time of the House, but I know there are some buttons up there that are pushed that shouldn't be on there. I'd like to verify the Roll Call, please." 30  STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 91st Legislative Day April 13, 1982

"All right. On this question there are 90 voting 'aye', 54 voting 'no' and 6 voting 'present'. The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Conti, has asked for a verification of the roll. The Gentleman from DeWitt, Representative Vinson, has asked for a Poll of the Absentees. Representative Collins, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"

"Mr. Speaker, I pushed the wrong button. I want to vote 'no'."

"Record the Gentleman as 'no'."

"Poll of the Absentees. Abramson. Ackerman. Bell. Braun. Cullerton. Epton. Dwight Friedrich. Hoffman. Kustra. Laurino. Leinenweber. Leon. McClain. McGrew. McMaster."

"Record Bell as voting 'no'. Representative Ackerman, how do you wish to be recorded? Record Ackerman as 'aye'. Representative Fawell, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"

"Will you record me as 'no', please?"

"Change the Lady from 'aye' to 'no'. Are there any other changes, additions, deletions? Representative Kustra wishes to be recorded as voting 'no'. Representative Neff wishes to be recorded as voting 'aye'. Any other changes? Representative Christensen."

"Would you change me from 'no' to 'aye' or from 'present' to 'aye'?"

"Change Representative Christensen from 'present' to 'yes'. Representative Pouncey."

"Mr. Speaker, may I be voted 'aye', please?"

"Record the Gentleman as 'aye'. Representative Abramson wishes to be recorded as voting 'aye'. Continue with the Poll of the Absentees."

"O'Brien." 31  STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 91st Legislative Day April 13, 1982

"No, wait just a minute. Representative Turner."

"Change me to 'aye'."

"Change the Gentleman from 'no' to 'aye'. Now, Mr. Clerk, proceed with the Poll of the Absentees."

"O'Brien. Peters. Pierce. Preston. Satterthwaite. E. G. Steele. Tuerk. Vitek. Wikoff and Younge."

"What's the count, Mr. Clerk? The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Conti, has asked for a verification of the Affirmative Roll Call. Representative Conti, the count is now 95 voting 'aye', 57 voting 'no' and 4 voting 'present'. Would you read the affirmative...verify the Affirmative Roll Call, Mr. Clerk."

"Representative Bianco."

"Poll of the Affirmative. Abramson. Ackerman."

"Just a minute, Mr. Clerk. Representative Hallstrom, do you seek recognition?"

"No, Sir, I'll wait."

"She'll wait."

"Continuing with a Poll of the Affirmative. Alexander. Barnes. Bartulis. Beatty. Bianco. Birkinbine. Bower. Bradley. Brummer. Bullock. Capparelli. Carey. Catania. Chapman. Christensen. Darrow. DiPrima. Domico. Donovan. Doyle. Ralph Dunn. Ebbesen. Ewell. Farley. Findley. Flinn. Garmisa. Getty. Giglio. Giorgi. Griffin. Hallock. Hallstrom. Hanahan. Hannig. Hastert. Henry. Jackson. Johnson. Jones. Keane. Jim Kelley. Dick Kelly. Koehler. Kornowicz. Kosinski. Krska. Kucharski. Kulas. Lechowicz. Leverenz. Loftus. Madigan. Martire. Matijevich. Mautino. Mays. McPike. Ted Meyer. Miller. Mulcahey. Murphy. Neff. Ozella. Pechous. Pouncey. Pullen. Rea. Rhem. Richmond. Rigney. Ronan. Ropp. 32  STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 91st Legislative Day April 13, 1982 Saltsman. Slape. Margaret Smith. Stanley. Steczo. Stewart. Stuffle. Swanstrom. Tate. Terzich. Topinka. Turner. Van Duyne. Vinson. Watson. White. Winchester. Sam Wolf. Woodyard and Zito."

"Representative Birkinbine, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"

"I'd like to change my vote to 'no', Mr. Speaker."

"Record the Gentleman as voting 'no'; change him from 'aye' to 'no'. Representative McCormick, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"

"From 'no' to 'aye'."

"Change the Gentleman from 'no' to 'aye'. Mr. Preston, for what purpose do you seek recognition? Record the Gentleman as 'no'. Representative McMaster. Record the Gentleman as 'no'. The Gentleman from Wayne, Representative Robbins. Change the Gentleman from 'no' to 'aye'. The Gentleman from Adams, Representative McClain."

"Mr. Speaker, would you kindly vote me 'aye', please?"

"Record the Gentleman as voting 'aye'. Representative Satterthwaite."

"'Aye'."

"Record the Lady as 'aye'. Representative Hallstrom."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. May I change my vote to 'no', please?"

"Change the Lady from 'aye' to 'no'. Mr. Clerk, would you delete Representative Yourell from the Roll Call? He was excused this morning because of illness or a death in the family. I see him marked present on the Roll Call. Take him off the Roll. Any questions, Representative Conti?"

"Representative Bianco..."

"Just a minute. What's the count, Mr. Clerk?" 33  STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 91st Legislative Day April 13, 1982 We're starting out with 97 voting 'aye', 59 voting 'no' and 3 voting 'present'. Mr. Conti, do you have any questions of the affirmative?"

"Yes. Representative Bianco, please."

"Representative Bianco. Representative Bianco. Gentleman in the chamber? How is he recorded?"

"Gentleman's recorded as voting 'aye'."

"Remove him. Representative Huff, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will you change my 'present' vote to 'aye', please?"

"Record the Gentleman as voting 'aye'. Continue, Representative Conti."

"Representative Farley."

"Representative Farley. Representative Farley in the chamber? How's the Gentleman recorded?"

"The Gentleman's recorded as voting 'aye'."

"Remove him from the Roll Call."

"Representative Garmisa."

"Well, Representative Conti, I know that Representative Garmisa is here. He has not been feeling well. I'm sure he'll come back to the chamber if you want him. I talked to him this morning. I know he's here."

"No, no. That's not necessary. Not necessary."

"All right."

"Representative Giorgi. Right here, he just walked by."

"He's here."

"Representative Hallock."

"Representative Hallock. Representative Hallock is in the chamber."

"Hanahan."

"Representative Hanahan. Representative Hanahan. How's the Gentleman recorded?" 34  STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 91st Legislative Day April 13, 1982

"The Gentleman's recorded as voting 'aye'."

"Gentleman in the chamber? Remove him from the Roll Call."

"Kucharski. Did you remove..."

"I removed Farley, Bianco and Hanahan."

"All right. Kucharski."

"Representative Kucharski. Representative Kucharski in the chamber? How's the Gentleman recorded?"

"The Gentleman's recorded as voting 'aye'."

"Remove him."

"Representative Rea."

"Right here at the podium."

"I've seen Teddy Lechowicz here today. He's here today, isn't he?"

"Yes, he is. Is that right? Are you questioning Representative Lechowicz?"

"No. Pouncey."

"Representative Pouncey is in his chair."

"Stewart. Monica Stewart."

"Representative Stewart in the chamber? How's the Lady recorded? How's the Lady recorded?"

"The Lady is recorded as voting 'aye'."

"Remove her. Add Representative Cullerton as voting 'aye'."

"I didn't take him off."

"Pardon."

"I didn't take him off."

"Well, he wants to be recorded as voting 'aye'. He was not recorded."

"Topinka."

"Representative Topinka. Representative Topinka in the chamber? Representative...yes, she's in her chair at her desk." 35  STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 91st Legislative Day April 13, 1982

"Representative Winchester."

"Representative Winchester. Representative Winchester in the chamber? Representative Winchester. How's the Gentleman recorded?"

"The Gentleman's recorded as voting 'aye'."

"Remove him from the Roll Call."

"Representative Stanley."

"Representative Stanley in the chamber? Representative Stanley. How's the Gentleman recorded?"

"The Gentleman's recorded as voting 'aye'."

"Remove him."

"What's the count now?"

"Representative Laurino, do you seek recognition?"

"How am I recorded?"

"How's the Gentleman recorded?"

"The Gentleman is not recorded as voting."

"Vote me 'aye'."

"Record the Gentleman as 'aye'. Do you have any further questions?"

"How close is it? No further questions."

"No further questions, Representative?"

"Bartulis."

"He's in his chair, I think. Representative Bartulis back there? How's the Gentleman recorded?"

"The Gentleman's recorded as voting 'aye'."

"Remove him."

"Any volunteers?"

"Any further questions, Representative?"

"No further questions."

"Return Representative Stanley to the Roll. Any further questions, Representative?"

"...questions."

"On this question there are 93 voting 'aye', 59 36  STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 91st Legislative Day April 13, 1982 voting 'no' and this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 1527, Representative Miller. Out of the record. House Bill 1534, Representative Watson. Out of the record. House Bill 1551, Representative Stearney. Out of the record. House Bill 1586, Braun. Out of the record. House Bill 1590, Representative Donovan. Representative Donovan on House Bill 1590. Out of the record. House Bill 1650, Representative Keane. Out of the record. That was 1605, Representative. You want that one out of the record? Out of the record. 1607, Representative Keane. Out of the record. 1621, Representative Stanley. Table? Out of the record. House Bill 1624, Pierce. Out of the record. House Bill 1655, Yourell. Out of the record. House Bill 1713, Representative Pechous. Representative Pechous, you want your Bill called? Representative Pechous, 1713? You want it called? Read the Bill."

"House Bill 1713, a Bill for an Act to amend the Bingo License and Tax Act. Third Reading of the Bill."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Pechous on 1713."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 1713, as referenced on the screen, amends the Bingo Act and it comes before us due only to my affiliation with a 'SUCCO' organization. This is an athletic organization that's made up, primarily, of Eastern European, Czechoslovakians and Polish and they had, for many years, conducted bingo games. Under the definition of fraternal, they had somehow just barely missed a mark and, therefore, was subject to loss of their bingo license renewal. They asked me, after hearings before the Department of Revenue and various other agencies of the state, they asked me to introduce a Bill which would 37  STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 91st Legislative Day April 13, 1982 clarify fraternal as found within the Bingo Act so that they would fall within a scope of the Act. I agreed to do that. The Bill has received bipartisan support from the seven district representation, namely myself, Topinka and Kociolko. I ask for your favorable consideration. I ask for your green light. I will answer any question and I will ask either of my colleagues to stand ready to close. Thank you."

"Is there any discussion? Any discussion? The question is, 'Shall House Bill 1713 pass?'. All in favor will signify by voting 'aye', all opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Take the record, Mr. Clerk. Representative Slape wishes to be recorded as 'aye'. On this question there are 150 voting 'aye', 4 voting 'no' and none voting 'present'. This Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 1715. Out of the record. Representative Tuerk. House Bill 1768, Representative Satterthwaite. Out of the record. House Bill 1785, Representative Davis. Out of the record. House Bill 1811, Representative Smith. Irv Smith. 1811, out of the record. House Bill 1873, Representative Breslin. Out of the record. Change of vote."

"Representative Slape requests to vote 'aye' on House Bill 1229. Representative Birkinbine requests to vote 'aye' on House Bill 1229. Representative Irv Smith requests to vote 'aye' on House Bill 1229."

"Are there any objections? Leave is granted for the change of vote. Representative Pullen, the Lady from Cook, do you have a Motion?"

"Mr. Speaker, I move to amend the...to suspend the appropriate posting rule so that Senate Joint Resolution Constitutional Amendment #36 may be heard in the Executive 38  STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 91st Legislative Day April 13, 1982 Committee this Thursday morning at 8:00 o'clock."

"The Lady asks leave to suspend the appropriate rules to hear SJRCA #36 in Rules on Thursday morning. Are there any objections? Are there any objections? Do you seek recognition, Representative Matijevich? Do you object? Representative Matijevich, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"

"Well, I don't want to object. I want to find out if I have to object. What kind...What is it all about?"

"Do you care to explain it, Representative Pullen?"

"It's a Constitutional Amendment sponsored by Senator Rock in the Senate, Representative Darrow in the House and I was asked to hear it this week."

"Representative Matijevich."

"Well, with those fine Sponsors, I don't object to anything."

"Hearing no objections, you can use the Attendance Roll Call for the suspension of the rules. Gentleman from Marion, Representative Friedrich, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"

"Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, because there were a number of Bills that did not get out of the Reference Bureau until after the posting time last week, I'm going to make a Motion that provision for posting when the Rules Committee be suspended so that these additional Bills can be included in the posting for the hearing starting today and, if there's no objection, I'll read the list. It's rather lengthy."

"Representative Madigan."

"Could the Gentleman bring the list over here so we'd have a chance to not only hear numbers, but also to read the synopsis?"

"I imagine he could..." 39  STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 91st Legislative Day April 13, 1982

"Representative Madigan..."

"I just simply suggest that it might move much easier if he were to come over here with his list of Bills along with the synopsis for the Bills."

"I...I have just now, Representative Madigan, completed the list and the names of the Sponsors. I certainly am not capable of giving you a synopsis of each one of these Bills because I just now got the copies. I am trying to accommodate everyone who has put in a request for an exemption to include in this day's posting. That includes Members, of course, from both sides of the aisle. There's no exceptions to that, but I will...I'm asking to suspend the rules. If you want to object, then I...that leaves me no choice to either put it to vote or just post them next week."

"Representative Friedrich, I would suggest that you take the list to Representative Madigan and let him have a look at it, at least. Or let Representative Madigan come to your desk and have a look at it."

"All right. I'll be happy to do either one."

"Or meet in the center aisle, but someway..."

"I'll be happy to meet him on common ground."

"Dwight, what he's saying is to be gentle today because on Thursday you'll have your way anyhow."

"Well, I would hope so. But, actually, this is an accommodation to everyone who has asked for an exemption. Mike, I'll be glad to go over the list with you."

"Representative Levin, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"

"Yes. I have a question for the Chairman of the Rules Committee, if I might be able to ask him. I called..."

"What...What is your request, Representative?"

"Last week I called..." 40  STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 91st Legislative Day April 13, 1982

"You have a question for the Chairman of the Rules Committee?"

"Yes, in terms of Bills that are..."

"Representative Friedrich, will you respond to a question from Representative Levin?"

"I'll try to."

"Try to."

"I just wanted to clarify. Last week I called your office. There were some Bills that were posted for the Rules Committee meeting that was heard a week ago. And, my question was whether or not those needed to be reposted. And the answer I got was no, that it would be in order to make a Motion on any Bill that was posted previously. Is that correct?"

"Yes, I think I ought to...I think that's a good question. I ought to explain it. For those of you whose Bills were posted last week and you appeared and made your argument for the exemption, it will not be necessary for you to appear again. And that Bill can be voted on at the meeting of the Rules Committee in which we consider when we take votes and I anticipate that will be Thursday. And I would say that we probably won't get done with the...with the volume of Bills that we got, we probably won't get done today and we'll convene the meeting until in the morning."

"Thank you."

"Representative Friedrich, are you and Representative Madigan got your differences resolved?"

"I'm trying to get a list...I'm getting a...My secretary's making a copy for Representative Madigan so he can study it. This is kind of like the floodgates, the longer we wait, the longer the list is going to be. I've got five more I didn't have five minutes ago."

"Representative Bradley, for what purpose do you 41  STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 91st Legislative Day April 13, 1982 seek recognition?"

"Yes, while we're waiting for the two parties to get together on that issue, I wonder if I might ask Dwight, he said something about tomorrow morning. I know you've got a volume of Bills today. What time would you be starting in the morning?"

"I would hope, if we could agree to it, it would not be later than 8:30, because..."

"Pardon?"

"I would hope it would not be later than 8:30. Mr. Speaker."

"Yes, Sir."

"I'm not in a position to deliver to Representative Madigan, a synopsis of each one of these Bills. If you'll give me time to make 50 copies, I can make him a copy out of the Sponsor's reason for wanting it exempt, if that would make him happy, or he can go with the ones that I have, whichever would make him happier."

"Well, I would imagine if you give him the list of Bills, he can probably provide himself with a synopsis."

"No, I did that, Mr. Speaker."

"You got the list, Representative Madigan? Now do you have objections or do you need more time?"

"I've been given the list of numbers and names, bill numbers and the names of the Sponsors. Naturally, these are somewhat helpful, but we would need a little more information to know what the Bill would provide, other than the name and the number."

"Representative Madigan, the only thing that the Chairman of the Rules Committee gets, as I understand, is the reason that it's an emergency. It doesn't necessarily give a synopsis of the Bill. And so I would imagine your staff could provide you with a synopsis of those Bills if 42  STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 91st Legislative Day April 13, 1982 you want to delay the House that long."

"I have no objection to 2577."

"Do you want to exempt that Bill, Representative Friedrich? 2577. Evidently Representative Madigan wants to take these one at a time."

"Well, it's going to be a long afternoon. I ask for unanimous consent. If I don't get it, my suggestion is we just put it all off until next week, including his...the Bills on that side of the aisle if that's the way he wants to go. I'm trying to accommodate all the Members."

"What's your pleasure, Representative Madigan?"

"We have...I have no objection to the suspension of the posting requirements for the Bills which Mr. Friedrich has submitted to me."

"Okay. Hearing no objections, the posting rules for the list of Bills..."

"Since we have been discussing this, I have five more that I need to include in the list, though."

"Has Representative Madigan got those five?"

"No, I'll get them to him if he wants to wait until I get them over there. But I may have more by the time I get this. The floodgates are open."

"Would you provide the Clerk with a copy of those Bills, Mr. Friedrich, so we can read them?"

"I will provide the Clerk with a copy of the list."

"Pardon?"

"I will provide the Clerk and Representative Madigan with the list."

"All right. If you'll do that, we can start the Clerk on reading the Bills so we can put them in the record. All we need are the numbers and the Sponsors. In the meantime, we have some more change of vote. Mr. Clerk, change of vote." 43  STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 91st Legislative Day April 13, 1982

"Representative Preston requests to vote 'aye' on House Bill 1229. Representative Preston requests to vote 'aye' on House Bill 1524. Representative Preston requests to vote 'aye' on House Bill 1525. And Representative, I believe, Daniels requests to vote 'aye' on House Bill 1713."

"Are there any objections to the change of votes? Hearing none, the votes will be changed as recorded. Read the list, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 1922, Winchester. 1969, Younge. 2010, O'Connell. 2016, Kosinski. 2025, Kosinski. 2026, Kosinski. 2084, Kosinski. 2101, Mulcahey. 2116, Kosinski. 2117, Kosinski. 2118, Kosinski. 2119, Kosinski. 2122, Kosinski. 2123, Kosinski. 2141, Mulcahey. 2142, Mulcahey. 2143, Mulcahey. 2164, Peters. 2236, Mulcahey. 2237, Mulcahey. 2266, McBroom. 2270, Ewing. 2344, Collins. 2298, Younge. 2406, Watson. 2437, Karpiel. 2489, Kustra. 2491, O'Connell. 2514, Bowman. 2508, Ewing. 2515, Satterthwaite. 2539, Huskey. 2540, Huskey. 2541, Bower. 2542, Bower. 2544, Wikoff. 2374, J. J. Wolf. 2545, Getty. 2546, Irv Smith. 2547, Kustra. 2548, Levin. 2549, Hallstrom. 2167, Ronan. 2550, Schneider. 2551, Schneider. 2552, Schneider. 2553, Schneider. 2556, Satterthwaite. 2557, Hoxsey. 2559, Daniels. 2560, Conti. 2561, Conti. 2562, Collins. 2563, Collins. 2564, Collins. 2566, Miller. 2568, Mays. 2569, Barr. 2570, Satterthwaite. 2571, Griffin. 2572, Griffin. 2575, Bower. 2577, Stearney. 2578, Barr. 2579, Barr. 2580, Barr. 2581, Barr. 2582, Kustra."

"The Gentleman has asked leave to suspend the appropriate posting requirements for the Bills the Clerk just read. Are there any objections? Representative Getty." 44  STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 91st Legislative Day April 13, 1982

"Just a Parliamentary Inquiry. I believe I heard 2545, I believe I heard the Clerk say 'Getty'. I believe that is inaccurate, although it appeared on the list. It should read, I believe, Representative Steczo, a check with the Clerk's office upstairs indicated."

"Otherwise, no objection. Make the noted changes."

"There is an addition to the list of 2585, Hastert."

"Are there objections? Hearing no objections, leave is granted and those Bills are exempt from posting rules for the Rules Committee. Are there any further announcements, Representative Friedrich? Representative Friedrich, do you have any further announcements?"

"No, the Rules Committee will meet at 4:00 o'clock in room 118."

"Representative Conti, do you seek recognition?"

"Wait a minute. Just a minute. The Calendar says..."

"Wait just a minute, Representative Conti. Representative Friedrich."

"I'm sorry, Mr. Speaker, the Calendar says 118, but my secretary says it's 114."

"Rules will meet in 114 at 4:00 o'clock. Is that correct, Representative? All right. Rules at 4:00 o'clock in room 114. Agreed Resolutions. Read the Resolutions, Mr. Clerk."

"House Resolution 754, Topinka. 755, Ted Meyer - Barnes - Huskey. 756, Collins - et al. 757, Ryan - McBroom. 758, Miller. 761, Bower. 764, Dick Kelly - Giglio. 765, Schraeder - et al. 766, Mautino - McMaster. 767 - Hallock - Giorgi - Kelley. 768, Zito. 769, Breslin. 770, Huff - Bonan. 772, Lechowicz - et al. 773, Watson."

"I understand the Clerk has another change of vote."

"Representative Jaffe requests to vote 'aye' on 45  STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 91st Legislative Day April 13, 1982 House Bill 1229."

"Are there any objections? Hearing none, leave is granted. Representative Conti on Agreed Resolutions."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, House Resolution 754 by Topinka. St. Mary of Czestochowa Mother's Club was founded on January 23, 1957 and is celebrating 25 years of dedicated community service. House Resolution 755, Meyer - Barnes - Huskey. Whereas Salvatore Ruffolo of Blue Island is retiring from his position as Republican Committeeman of Calumet Township after having served in that capacity with distinction since 1974. House Resolution 756, Collins - Conti - Leinenweber - Turner - McMaster - all Members of the House. Whereas, our dear friend and colleague the Honorable Edward E. Bluthardt is presently serving his last term in the General Assembly of this State, having chosen not to seek reelection, we are acknowledging that fact. George Ryan and McBroom, House Resolution 757. Whereas, Donald A. Crier has worked so hard all of his life giving his time in generous service to others. The most noble gift anyone can give is the gift of oneself and the most generous gift of oneself is through volunteer effort. House Resolution 758, Miller, wishes to commend George B. Satterwhite for his many years of unselfish civic community service on the occasion of recognition dinner, given in his honor on April 19, 1982. House Resolution 761, Bower. Whereas Robert Cummins of Newton, Illinois, publisher of the Newton Press-Mentor was recently named Master Editor and was inducted into the Southern Illinois University Journalism Hall of Fame. House Resolution 764, Kelly, Dick and Giglio. It has come to the attention of this House that St. Ann's Ladies Club of St. Ann's Catholic Church in Lansing, Illinois is celebrating its golden anniversary. House Resolution 765, 46  STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 91st Legislative Day April 13, 1982 Schraeder - McGrew - Finley and Tuerk. The Bradley Braves reign triumphant at the 1982 National Invitational Basketball Tournament in Madison Square Garden. Mautino - McMaster, House Resolution 766. That the sixth day of May, 1982, be designated as Mineral/Aggregate Mining Day to be observed throughout the State of Illinois, as a day to honor and remember the importance of the mining industry in Illinois, which has a direct effect on the state's economy in excess of 3 billion dollars annually. House Resolution 767, Hallock - Giorgi and Kelley. Whereas, the heart disease is a major killer of the citizens of Illinois and, whereas, the Swedish American Hospital is the only institution outside the University of other major medical centers to obtain a Harvey. This House congratulates Dr. Harner and the Swedish American Hospital on the culmination of their efforts to procure a Harvey. House Resolution 768. To Mr. and Mrs. Felix Zarlenga of Melrose Park, Illinois will celebrate their golden wedding anniversary April 18. That Resolution was by Greg Zito. House Resolution 769, Breslin. Whereas Bill Walsh, President of the Bill Walsh Chevrolet and Sierra Volkswagen-Dodge-Chrysler-Plymouth of Ottawa, Illinois, has been named a Time Magazine Quality Dealer Award for his exceptional performance as a car dealer and his distinguished community service. House Resolution 770, Huff and Ronan. Representative Bruce A. Farley celebrated his 39th birthday on April 12, 1982. House Resolution 772, Lechowicz - Madigan - Domico - et al. Whereas, the Honorable John P. Touhy has served the people of the State of Illinois and the members of the Democratic Party of the State of Illinois since his election to the House of Representatives, 66th General Assembly since 1947. House Resolution 773, Watson. Whereas, Robert D. Ritchie 47  STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 91st Legislative Day April 13, 1982 received the highest award which the National Council of the Boys Scouts of America can bestow on a Scout is that of Eagle Scout. Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I move for the adoption of the Resolutions."

"Gentleman moves for the adoption of the Agreed Resolutions. All in favor will signify by saying 'aye', all opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it and the Agreed Resolutions are adopted. Further Resolutions? Death Resolutions."

"Death Resolution, House Joint Resolution 79, Smith. In respect to the memory of Harry Marshall. House Resolution 559, Younge...759, Younge. In respect to the memory of Rose Blair."

"Representative Conti on Death Resolutions."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I move for the adoption of Death Resolutions."

"Gentleman moves for the adoption of Death Resolutions. All in favor will signify by saying 'aye', all opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it and the Resolutions are adopted. Further Resolutions."

"House Joint Resolution 78, Rea - McPike. House Resolution 760, Bower. House Resolution 762, McClain - Polk. House Resolution 763, McClain - Polk. House Resolution 771, Ralph Dunn - et al."

"Committee on Assignment. Representative Catania, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to announce that the Public Institutions and Social Services Committee will meet immediately after adjournment in room 118, instead of at 4:00 o'clock which is what was originally posted."

"Any further announcements? The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Collins."

"Mr. Speaker, I move that the House now stand adjourned 48  STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 91st Legislative Day April 13, 1982 until 10:00 a.m. tomorrow morning, Wednesday, April 14."

"Would you leave enough time for the Clerk to have perfunctory..."

"Allowing enough time for the Clerk to read the Bills in Perfunctory Session."

"The Gentleman moves for the adoption...or for the adjournment until 10:00 a.m. tomorrow morning. All in favor will signify by saying 'aye', all opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it and the House now stands adjourned until 10:00 a.m. tomorrow morning."

"Introduction and First Reading of Bills. House Bill 2536, McClain, a Bill for an Act to amend the Uniform Commercial Code. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2537, Jaffe, a Bill for an Act to amend the Criminal Code. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2538, Catania, a Bill for an Act to amend the Human Rights Act and the Vital Records Act. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2539, Huskey, a Bill for an Act to amend the Retailers' Occupation Tax Act and Revenue Act. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2540, Huskey, a Bill for an Act to amend the Insurance Code. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2541, Bower, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of an Act concerning public utilities. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2542, Bower, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of an Act concerning public utilities. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2543, Gene Hoffman, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2544, Wikoff, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Unemployment Insurance Act. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2545, Steczo, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2546, Irv Smith, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2547, Kustra, 49  STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 91st Legislative Day April 13, 1982 a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2548, Levin, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2549, Hallstrom, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2550, Schneider - Hoffman, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2551, Schneider, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2552, Schneider, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2553, Schneider, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2554, Stuffle - Woodyard, a Bill for an Act to amend various Acts regarding the exclusion of farm machinery and certain farm equipment from the use tax and the service use tax and the service occupation tax and the retailers' occupation tax. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2555, Hallock - Olson - Ebbesen, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2556, Satterthwaite, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Paternity Act. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2557, Hoxsey, a Bill for an Act to authorize the Supreme Court to purchase property. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2558, Hoxsey, a Bill for an Act making appropriation to the Supreme Court. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2559, Daniels, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of an Act in relation to airport authorities. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2560, Conti, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of an Act to create sanitary districts. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2561, Conti, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Municipal Code. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2562, Conti, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the 50  STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 91st Legislative Day April 13, 1982 Illinois Municipal Code. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2562, Conti, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Municipal Code. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2563, Collins, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of an Act to create sanitary districts. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2564, Collins, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of an Act to create sanitary districts. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2565, Terzich, a Bill for an Act in relation to the relocation of certain industrial and commercial operations. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2566, Miller, a Bill for an Act relating to fees or indexing liens. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2567, Rigney, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the Department of Agriculture. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2568, Mays - Barkhausen, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Cigarette Tax Act. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2569, Barr - Collins, a Bill for an Act abolishing Park Districts, Forest Preserve Districts and River Conservancy Districts. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2570, Sandquist - Collins, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Election Code. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2571, Griffin, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Governmental Ethics Act. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2572, Collins, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Governmental Ethics Act. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2573, Van Duyne, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the...A Bill for an Act in relation to automobile insurance. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2574, Ewing, a Bill for an Act in relation to occupation and use taxes on personal property purchased by Illinois County Fair Associations. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2575, Bower, a Bill for an Act to repeal 51  STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 91st Legislative Day April 13, 1982 the Firearm Owners' Identification Act. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2576, Zito, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2577, Stearney, a Bill for an Act to create the Labor Law Revisionary Commission. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2578, Barr, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Revenue Act. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2579, Barr, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Revenue Act. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2580, Barr, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Revenue Act. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2581, Barr, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Revenue Act. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2582, Barr, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Revenue Act. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2583, Collins, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Notary Public Act. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2584, Hallock, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Public Aid Code. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2585, Hastert, a Bill for an Act to amend the Criminal Code of 1961. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2586, Donovan, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act to revise the law in relation to coroners. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2587, John Dunn - Polk, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Downstate Public Transportation Act. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2588, Giorgi, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Revenue Act. First Reading of the Bill. Committee Reports. Representative Wolf, Chairman from the Committee on Appropriations, to which the following Bill were referred, action taken April 13, 1982 and reported the same back with the following recommendations: 'Do Pass' House Bills 2211, 2221, and 2441; 'Do Pass as Amended' House Bills 2115, 2204, 2451 and 2452. No further 52  STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 91st Legislative Day April 13, 1982 business. The House now stands adjourned." 53  04/20/82 21:17 STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES DAILY TRANSCRIPTION OF DEBATE INDEX APRIL 13, 1982 HB-0369 TABLED HB-0625 TABLED HB-0921 SECOND READING HB-1215 RECALLED HB-1229 THIRD READING HB-1299 THIRD READING HB-1524 THIRD READING HB-1525 THIRD READING HB-1713 THIRD READING HB-2267 TABLED HB-2387 TABLED HB-2536 FIRST READING HB-2537 FIRST READING HB-2538 FIRST READING HB-2539 FIRST READING HB-2540 FIRST READING HB-2541 FIRST READING HB-2542 FIRST READING HB-2543 FIRST READING HB-2544 FIRST READING HB-2545 FIRST READING HB-2546 FIRST READING HB-2547 FIRST READING HB-2548 FIRST READING HB-2549 FIRST READING HB-2550 FIRST READING HB-2551 FIRST READING HB-2552 FIRST READING HB-2553 FIRST READING HB-2554 FIRST READING HB-2555 FIRST READING HB-2556 FIRST READING HB-2557 FIRST READING HB-2558 FIRST READING HB-2559 FIRST READING HB-2560 FIRST READING HB-2561 FIRST READING HB-2562 FIRST READING HB-2563 FIRST READING HB-2564 FIRST READING HB-2565 FIRST READING HB-2566 FIRST READING HB-2567 FIRST READING HB-2568 FIRST READING HB-2569 FIRST READING HB-2570 FIRST READING HB-2571 FIRST READING HB-2572 FIRST READING HB-2573 FIRST READING HB-2574 FIRST READING HB-2575 FIRST READING HB-2576 FIRST READING HB-2577 FIRST READING HB-2578 FIRST READING HB-2579 FIRST READING HB-2580 FIRST READING HB-2581 FIRST READING HB-2582 FIRST READING HB-2583 FIRST READING HB-2584 FIRST READING HB-2585 FIRST READING HB-2586 FIRST READING HB-2587 FIRST READING HB-2588 FIRST READING SJR-0036 OTHER PAGE 1 PAGE 5 PAGE 5 PAGE 4 PAGE 7 PAGE 8 PAGE 10 PAGE 14 PAGE 21 PAGE 37 PAGE 13 PAGE 13 PAGE 49 PAGE 49 PAGE 49 PAGE 49 PAGE 49 PAGE 49 PAGE 49 PAGE 49 PAGE 49 PAGE 49 PAGE 49 PAGE 49 PAGE 50 PAGE 50 PAGE 50 PAGE 50 PAGE 50 PAGE 50 PAGE 50 PAGE 50 PAGE 50 PAGE 50 PAGE 50 PAGE 50 PAGE 50 PAGE 50 PAGE 50 PAGE 51 PAGE 51 PAGE 51 PAGE 51 PAGE 51 PAGE 51 PAGE 51 PAGE 51 PAGE 51 PAGE 51 PAGE 51 PAGE 51 PAGE 51 PAGE 52 PAGE 52 PAGE 52 PAGE 52 PAGE 52 PAGE 52 PAGE 52 PAGE 52 PAGE 52 PAGE 52 PAGE 52 PAGE 52 PAGE 52 PAGE 38  04/20/82 STATE OF ILLINOIS 21:17 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES DAILY TRANSCRIPTION OF DEBATE INDEX PAGE 2 APRIL 13, 1982 SUBJECT MATTER HOUSE TO ORDER - SPEAKER RYAN PAGE 1 PRAYER - REVEREND REEDER PAGE 1 PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE PAGE 1 ROLL CALL FOR ATTENDANCE PAGE 1 COMMITTEE REPORTS PAGE 3 CHANGE OF VOTES PAGE 43 SUSPENSION OF RULES PAGE 44 AGREED RESOLUTIONS PAGE 45 DEATH RESOLUTIONS PAGE 48 GENERAL RESOLUTIONS PAGE 48 ADJOURNMENT PAGE 49 PERFUNCTORY SESSION CONVENES PAGE 49 COMMITTEE REPORTS PAGE 52 PERFUNCTORY SESSION - ADJOURNMENT PAGE 53