Illinois House Floor Debate — May 13, 1983

"The House will come to order. The House will come to order. The Members will be in their seats. The Chaplain for today will be the Reverend Joseph Miller, Pastor St. Peter and Paul Catholic Church in Springfield. Father Miller is a guest of Representative Mike Curran. Will the guests in the balcony please rise for the invocation?"

"Let us bow our heads in prayer. O God, we ask Your blessing on this Assembly, and we earnestly beg that You enlighten the minds and move the hearts of these Legislators to make right decisions concerning the business, provision and welfare of this great State of Illinois. May they be every mindful of those truths which the founding fathers of our country said were self-evident, namely that all men are created equal, are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights, amongst which are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. May the laws that these Legislators enact be always directed to the attainment of this most noble goal. We ask this in the name of the God of us all. Amen."

"Representative Ropp will lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance."

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

"Roll Call for Attendance. Representative Rhem, would you change Representative Huff to 'present'? 116 Members answering the Roll Call, a quorum is present. On page 39 of the Calendar, Consent Calendar Third Reading. Read the Bills, Mr. Clerk."

"Page 39 of the Calendar, Consent Calendar Third Reading Second Day." 1  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983

"Excuse me, Mr. Clerk. Representative Vinson."

"Mr. Speaker, Representative Birkinbine should be an excused absence today due to a death in the family."

"Thank you. Representative Greiman, do you have any excused absences?"

"No, Mr. Speaker, we are all present and accounted for."

"Alright. Proceed, Mr. Clerk. Consent Calendar Third Reading."

"House Bill 176, a Bill for an Act to amend the Code of Criminal Procedure. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 512, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act codifying the powers and duties of the Department of Mental Health and Developmental Disabilities. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 921, a Bill for an Act in relation to payment and disposition of monies received by officers and employees of the State of Illinois. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 970, a Bill for an Act to amend the Code of Civil Procedure. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1037, a Bill for an Act in relation to support dogs for the physically handicapped. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1055, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Drainage Code. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1057, a Bill for an Act concerning Department of Mental Health and Developmental Disabilities. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1124, a Bill for an Act in relation to public water districts. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1248, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Welfare and Rehabilitation Services Planning Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1285, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Hospital Licensing Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1286, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1308, a Bill for an Act to amend the Northeastern Illinois 2  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 Planning Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1309, a Bill for an Act to amend the Park District Code. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1310, a Bill for an Act to amend the Park District Code. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1326, a Bill for an Act to amend the Environmental Protection Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1338, a Bill for an Act to amend the Litter Control Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1355, a Bill for an Act to amend the Environmental Protection Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1372, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Administrative Procedure Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1390, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Horse Racing Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1391, a Bill for an Act to amend the Municipal Code. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1449, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Marriage and Dissolution of Marriage Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1450, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Marriage and Dissolution of Marriage Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1451, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Marriage and Dissolution of Marriage Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1462, a Bill for an Act to amend the Medical Practice Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1496, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act in relation to jury commissioners. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1550, a Bill for an Act in relation to state finance. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1584, a Bill for an Act to amend certain Acts in relation to pension fund participation. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1595, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Municipal Code. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1650, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act in relation to public corporations. Third Reading of the Bill. House 3  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 Bill 1670, a Bill for an Act to amend the Public Community College Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1707, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Insurance Code. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1777, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Insurance Code. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1844, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Vehicle Code. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1870, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act in relation to the Department of Agriculture. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1879, a Bill for an Act creating the Board of Higher Education. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1881, a Bill for an Act to amend the Housing Authority Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1890, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act in relation to county and multi-county public health departments. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1918, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Insurance Code. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1927, a Bill for an Act relating to the Department of Agriculture. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1941, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act relating to the State Self-Insurance Health Plan. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1944, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Insurance Code. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1952, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Horse Racing Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1953, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Horse Racing Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1958, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act in relation to vital records. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2000, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Municipal Code. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2029, a Bill for an Act to amend the Professional Boxing and Wrestling Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2058, a Bill for an Act to amend the 4  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 Illinois Public Aid Code. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2060, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act relating to the Illinois Commission on Atomic Energy. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2070, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act relating to persons afflicted with tuberculosis. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2071, a Bill for an Act to amend the Meat and Poultry Inspection Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2074, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act in relation to county and multi-county public health departments. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2093, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act to revise the law in relation to counties. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2147, a Bill for an Act to amend the Public Community College Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2176, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Pension Code. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2212, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act in relation to high risk childbirths. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Mr. Clerk, you have a Motion filed to remove some of those Bills that you have just read."

"Motion filed to remove House Bill 1707 from the Consent Calendar and to remove House Bill 1355 from the Consent Calendar. Remove House Bill 1941 from the Consent Calendar. To remove House Bill 2176 from the Consent Calendar, and to remove House Bill 2212 from the Consent Calendar."

"Mr. Clerk, would you now read those Bill numbers and announce that they have been removed from the Consent Calendar?"

"The Bills removed...the Bills removed from the Consent Calendar are House Bills 1355, 1707, 1941, 2176 and 2212."

"Representative Vinson." 5  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983

"Would you ask the Clerk to repeat that list, please?"

"Yes, read that list again, Mr. Clerk."

"The Bills removed from Consent Calendar are 1355, 1707, 1941, 2176 and 2212."

"Representative Vinson, did you get those numbers?"

"Yes."

"Those Bills have now been removed from the Consent Calendar. The Clerk has read the Consent Calendar. The question is, 'Shall these Bills pass?'. All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 110 'ayes', no 'nays', 3 voting 'present'. And these Bills, having received the Constitutional Majority, are hereby declared passed. Page 13 of the Calendar, House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 3, Representative Levin. Out of the record. House Bill 7, Representative Johnson. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 7, a Bill for an Act to abolish certain defense...defenses based upon mental conditions. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendments #1 and 2 were adopted in Committee."

"Are there any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #3, Johnson, amends House Bill #7."

"The Gentleman from Champaign, Representative Johnson, on Amendment #3."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. Amendment #3, in terms of this Bill, is really a technical Amendment. It conforms definitions to what the intent of 6  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 the Bill was and the way the Bill was expressed in Committee rather than some general and, we thought, flimsy language that didn't really meet the objectives of the Bill. It has to do with a narrow definition of the use of insanity, mental disease or defect in a criminal case."

"The Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment #3. Is there any discussion? Being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #3 be adopted?'. All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 9, Representative Mulcahey. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 9, a Bill for an Act in relation to occupation and use taxes imposed on personal property sold by student organizations and elementary and secondary schools. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #1, Hicks, amends House Bill 9 on page one by deleting line one."

"The Gentleman from Jefferson, Representative Hicks, on the Amendment."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. The Amendment to House Bill 9 is an Amendment concerning the oil field equipment used in Illinois currently. Currently, Indiana and Kentucky are two states that make oil field equipment exempt from the sales tax. And what we're doing here is we're putting a sales tax exemption also on oil field equipment. I would ask for passage of the Bill."

"The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of Amendment #1. On that, the Chair recognizes the Gentleman 7  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 from Kendall, Representative Hastert."

"Would the Sponsor of the Amendment yield for a question?"

"Yes, I will."

"He indicates he will."

"Representative Hicks, what's the fiscal impact of this to the state?"

"We're getting that right now, as far as...we filed for it. In actuality what is happening is in my area, I have many...I border the Indiana line. I have many companies there along the Indiana line that are currently picking up and moving out of the State of Illinois. They are moving their businesses into Indiana where they do not have to pay the sales tax. We're losing very good corporations out of the State of Illinois, and for that purpose..."

"Mr. Speaker, I think we're diverting here. The question was, what's the fiscal impact to the State of Illinois? But on your statement here, I have another question. What are they moving the oil wells out, or what are they doing here?"

"No, Sir. What happens is this, they take their corporations. They set them up in Indiana. They no longer pay state sales...the corporate income tax in Illinois due to the fact that Indiana is sales tax exempt. Also, those companies from Indiana come into Illinois and drill oil wells in Illinois and do not pay any tax whatsoever on any type of oil field equipment they buy, period. They bring it in from Indiana. They use it in this state, and it is very unfair competition for the oil industry in Southern Illinois to - for that matter, all over the State of Illinois - it's very unfair competition for them."

"Do you have the fiscal impact on the state?"

"No, Sir, we do not have it right now. It's very much 8  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 like the farm equipment Bill that was passed a couple of years ago in this state. It's the same thing where the farmers would get..go into Indiana. It was very unfair competition. That's exactly the same thing we have here."

"Does this affect the drilling equipment or the well linings? Is it the actual drilling equipment, or is it the actual real property that you put down inside of wells?"

"Anything over $1,000 that's used. Both the drilling rigs, the pipe that's used, the drilling bits that are used, all of these things would be that amount to over a $1,000 per item would be included."

"Mr. Speaker, if I can speak to the Amendment."

"To the Amendment."

"I don't have any facts and figures in front of me, but I know those oil well rigs themselves that are sold in this state to drillers in this state amount up to multi hundreds of thousands of dollars. What we're asking here is to all of a sudden exempt a large piece of our tax base in the State of Illinois out and away from the corporate and use taxes. We're sitting here in the State of Illinois at a time that we are desparately strapped. And to give tax relief, especially to an industry that is a booming industry at this time, I'm not sure that's the wisest thing that we want to do as far...fiscally in this state. And I would ask that we reject this Amendment."

"The Gentleman from DeWitt, Representative Vinson."

"Mr. Speaker, I question the germaneness of the Amendment to this Bill. The purpose of this Bill is to exempt personal property in relationship to student organizations in elementary and secondary schools. The Amendment does nothing to further that purpose. It relates to an entirely different kind of personal property and has no relationship 9  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 to the use of that property by elementary and secondary schools. And for those reasons, I believe the Amendment is nongermane to this Bill."

"Mr. Vinson, we'll give you an answer on that in just a minute. Is there further discussion? The Gentleman from DuPage, Representative Hoffman, on the Amendment."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I can appreciate the motives of the maker of this Amendment. However, it's kind of ironic that he's attached it to this particular Bill, because the present budget, at the present budget level, provides the cutting of aid to school by $200,000,000. And here is an Amendment which is going to reduce our ability to fund those programs by whatever the dollar loss is. And for that reason, Mr. Speaker, I must rise, in spite of the fine Sponsor, in opposition to his proposed Amendment."

"Further discussion? Representative Vinson, the Chair rules that the Amendment is germane. Representative Vinson."

"Mr. Speaker, then in the event that the Amendment should be adopted, I would request under Rule 36(D) that the Bill be returned to Second Reading First Legislative Day."

"You have that right, Sir. The Gentleman from Effingham, Representative Brummer, on the Amendment."

"Yes, very briefly to...there seems to be some cavalier treatment of this proposal. I would suggest to this Body that should this proposal not be adopted as an Amendment here today, the Amendment does address a very serious issue. Obviously individuals are going to continue to drill in Illinois. That is not the question. The question is where they are located, where they locate their head office, and they are moving to Indiana, because if they are Indiana residents, they can purchase this equipment without 10  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 any sales tax. They pay personal income taxes or income taxes as Indiana residents then. So I would suggest that the real cost of this is probably very minimal, because the primary oil expiration area is in Representative Hicks' district and in my district. We border the Indiana border all the way, and it is a relatively simple process to simply move the business office across the Indiana line to Evansville or to Vincennes, operate from there, save significant amounts of money, and pay income taxes in Indiana instead of Illinois and continue to drill in the same geographic area that they're drilling. This is a good proposal. I commend Representative Hicks for coming forward with it. And I would suggest that if we do not pass this as an Amendment today and ultimately on this Bill, this is a serious issue that should be addressed in some future date, because it has a very significant impact on the economic base of the State of Illinois."

"The Gentleman from Adams, Representative Mays."

"Representative Hicks, will you yield for a question, please?"

"He will."

"How much does a typical rig cost that goes to pump that oil out of there? The arm, the thing going up..."

"I'm...the pump itself, I'm not aware of what a pump actually costs to operate. I'm not in the oil business, so I can't answer that."

"Oh, okay. Well..."

"About 20,000, I've been advised. About $20,000. The major portion of the cost though is actually from the rig, Mr. Mays, not from the pump itself."

"Thank you very much. To the Bill, Mr. Speaker."

"Proceed."

"You know, over in our area, we've had a type of a boom, 11  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 and we've seen all sorts of people from out of state coming in there punching holes in the land and then going out as soon as they get done. It seems to me that these people ought to be paying their fair share of taxes in this state, just like Illinois residents have to. And I would urge you to oppose this Amendment."

"Representative Vinson, on the Amendment?"

"Yes, will the Sponsor yield?"

"He will."

"Representative, the...would you state again what your purpose for the Amendment is?"

"Yes, Mr. Vinson. The purpose of the Amendment is to make oil field equipment, exploratory equipment in excess of $1,000 to be exempt from state income...state sales tax."

"And why is it that you want to do that?"

"Because currently we have many oil corporations in this state that do exploratory work in this state that are packing their bags and moving out of the State of Illinois due to the fact that Indiana and Kentucky are two states that have this exemption, and they can move into those states, turn right around, come back into Illinois and do work, and not pay any sales tax on that equipment. That's what's happening in my area. We're losing...Go ahead, Sir."

"You're saying that then they come back into Illinois after they relocate in Indiana, they come back into Illinois and drill the holes here in Illinois."

"That's exactly right."

"Okay, now are you familiar with the use tax?"

"No, Sir, I'm not."

"Well, you really ought to be, because your Amendment amends the use tax. To the Bill, Mr. Speaker."

"Proceed." 12  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983

"The Gentleman's argument really falls down on the logic here. What you have in Illinois in our, what we call the sales tax, are two kinds of taxes. Number one, if you buy something in the State of Illinois, you pay a sales tax on it. Number two, if you buy something someplace else and then use it in the State of Illinois, you pay a use tax on it. Now the purpose for the use tax is to catch exactly the kind of tax evasion that the Gentleman is describing that these oil companies do. The...and there is no reason to try to protect that tax evasion. What we have with the use tax is a tax that would tax exactly what he is saying those companies would do by moving into the state and then using that equipment in Illinois. They would still be subject to the Illinois use tax. And what he's trying to do is to protect those oil company tax evaders in two respects. Now what we really need to do in this case is to defeat the Amendment. If those companies do choose to move to Indiana or Kentucky, and then use that equipment in Illinois, we'll tax them with the use tax, and we'll get the necessary revenue. What he may not be explaining to you is that those are the same oil companies that profit from the depletion allowance. Those are the same oil companies that are taking down the horrendous profits that you've seen recent days in the Wall Street Journal. You don't need to protect those oil companies. They've got all the tax benefits in the world right now. And I would urge the defeat of the Gentleman's Amendment, both because if they do what he's saying, we still get the tax revenue, and secondly, because we don't need to be concerned about oil companies."

"The Gentleman from Winnebago, Representative Hallock."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. I think 13  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 we should make clear of the record on what's happening here. We have the Sponsor on one day, yesterday, voting to increase utility taxes across the state, on the other hand, today, he's voting to decrease the tax for oil companies, which will take revenue from education, mental health and senior citizens' programs. The record should be very clear on what we're doing here, and I urge this Amendment be defeated. Thank you."

"Yes, the Gentleman from Lake, Representative Pierce."

"Mr. Speaker, the last Gentleman made a deliberate misstatement on the floor, which usually he doesn't do. The utility tax Bill he loves to hate so much affected Cook County only. Mr. Hallock, did you hear that? Cook County only, not across the state. John Hallock, do you hear that? Cook County only, not across the state. So it was a misrepresentation on the floor. You owe the Gentleman an apology. Number two...number two, this Amendment is a good example of why we have the Committee system. It may be a good idea. It may not be a good idea, but it should have been heard in Committee. This Amendment should have been a separate Bill, not attached to the Gentleman from Winnebago's fine Bill, and I mean the Gentleman from Winnebago from Durand in Winnebago, his fine Bill. It should have been attached to his fine...it should not have been attached to his fine Bill. It should have been a separate Bill heard in Committee on its merits. Maybe the oil field - is that what you're saying, oil field equipment? - should have been exempt, but we didn't have a chance to really discuss it. This whole Second Reading discussion here on the floor is something that should have happened in Committee and not tied us up today. I don't blame the Gentleman for trying to help his district. It 14  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 may be a very good idea. Let's have it as a separate Bill, but not as an Amendment to this Bill, because I think Mr. Vinson, for once, did point out some very good reasons why the Amendment may not be good public policy."

"The Gentleman from Jefferson, Representative Hicks, to close."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, if I may speak specifically to your use tax. If the oil field equipment that's used is used in other states, there is no use tax paid on that. That's not quite true, Sir. The use tax, whenever a corporation comes in from another state, they use that equipment. If it was used exclusively in Illinois, they would pay. I would agree with you, Sir, but they do not. These companies go out of the state. They're back and forth between Indiana, Illinois, Kentucky to do their drilling, and they do not pay the use tax. They are not subject to the use tax, and I would strongly disagree with you there. As far as talking about the large oil companies, Sir, this is the small independent producers, the small independent drillers, the guys with one, two, three rigs. That's the guys that drill the holes in Illinois. Don't think it's the large corporations, the large oil companies. That's not who this Bill affects. And it speaks specifically to my vote for the Gentleman from Cook County about the raising of the utility tax. I believe that's already been explained, Sir. So I would simply suggest to you that this state is losing corporations out of it that are paying taxes. I think that it's somewhat not logical to think that they would not move out of the state, whenever they only live four or five miles, they can buy five acres of ground, move into Indiana and do business there, move back and forth across the state line and get away from paying the tax there. That's exactly what's happening, and I 15  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 would simply ask for an 'aye' vote on it. Thank you."

"The question is, 'Shall Amendment #1 be adopted?'. All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', opposed 'no'. 'Nos' have it. The Amendment is defeated. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2, Mulcahey, amends House Bill 9 on page 27 by adding after line 21 the following and so forth."

"Representative Mulcahey on Amendment #2."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, Amendment #2 simply exempts the State Mandates Act from this particular piece of legislation."

"The Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment #2. On that, the Gentleman from Kendall, Representative Hastert."

"Representative Mulcahey, will you yield for some questions..."

"He will."

"Representative Mulcahey, we had a great deal of discussion about this on...in Committee. I think this Bill was probably before the Committee two times, as I remember. Now you're releasing this from the State Mandates Act. You're putting that burden directly on the...directly on the backs of the local governments. Is that correct?"

"I don't think that is...I don't think that's correct at all, Representative Hastert. I'm doing this at the request of the Governor."

"I beg your pardon."

"I'm doing this at the request of the Governor."

"So what...basically what we're doing is taking away from the state responsibility and putting it back on local governments. Right?"

"Well, it would...it's on the backs of local government 16  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 right now, and there is no responsibility as far as...as far as the state is concerned. And it's not that...it's not that much of a problem, quite frankly. This whole piece of legislation is not that much of a problem. And so the answer to your question is technically, I would say, no."

"Thank you."

"The question is, 'Shall Amendment #2 be adopted?'. All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment's adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 16, Representative Topinka. Out of the record. House Bill 32, Representative Cullerton. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 32, a Bill for an Act to amend the Election Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2, Cullerton, amends House Bill 32."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Cullerton."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This Amendment changes the effective date from 1983 to 1984. This Bill will then be in the exact same posture as Representative Piel's Bill with regard to changing the primary date. I would ask for the adoption of this Amendment."

"The Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment #2. Is there any discussion? Being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #2 be 17  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 adopted?'. All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment's adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 89, Representative Ronan. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 89, a Bill for an Act to create the Citizens' Utility Board and define its powers and duties. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 174, Representative Johnson. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 174, a Bill for an Act to add Sections to the Code of Criminal Procedure. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"None."

"Third Reading. House Bill 197, Representative Oblinger. Out of the record. House Bill 207, Representative Currie. Out of the record. House Bill 220, Representative Topinka. Out of the record. House Bill 234, Representative Currie. Out of the record. House Bill 238, Representative Mautino. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 238, a Bill for an Act to create a Small Business Division in the Department of Commerce and Community Affairs to assist small businesses in Illinois. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #1, Mautino - McMaster - Curran, 18  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 amends House Bill 238."

"The Gentleman from Bureau, Representative Mautino, on the Amendment."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. As our small business...Mr. Speaker, I was just informed that it's not printed. Is it here?"

"We will take this out of the record and get back to it as soon as the Amendment's printed. House Bill 239, Representative Mautino. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 239, a Bill for an Act relating to the establishment of small business assistance centers. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"None."

"Third Reading. House Bill 241, Representative Saltsman. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 241, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Pension Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendments #1 and 2 were adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment 3, Saltsman, amends House Bill 241."

"The Gentleman from Peoria, Representative Saltsman."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This Amendment also brings the $350 minimum back to 300, as was worked out with myself and Representative Roger McAuliffe, that the police widows also be brought back to $300, and it just clarifies that both are the same."

"The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of Amendment #3. Is there any discussion? Being no 19  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 discussion, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #3 be adopted?'. All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #4, Ebbesen, amends House Bill 241 as amended in the title and so forth."

"The Gentleman from DeKalb, Representative Ebbesen."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, I want leave to withdraw Amendment #4."

"The Gentleman withdraws Amendment #4. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 244, Representative Nash. Out of the record. 245, House Bill 245, Representative Nash. Out of the record. House Bill 247, Representative Pierce. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 247, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Revenue Act and the Real Estate Transfer Tax Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2, Pierce, amends House Bill 247."

"The Gentleman from Lake, Representative Pierce, Amendment #2."

"Amend...this is the Bill that reforms and simplifies the real estate transfer sheets, known as the green sheets. And what the...this Amendment does is...technical Amendment only, required because the language was left out of Amendment #1. It makes nonsubstantive changes." 20  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983

"The Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment #2. Is there any discussion? Being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall Amendment...sorry. The Gentleman from Kendall, Representative Hastert, on the Amendment."

"This is just a piece of agreed language that we worked on in that task force, and I support the Amendment."

"The question is, 'Shall Amendment #2 be adopted?'. All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment's adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments?"

"Third Reading. House Bill 252, Representative Levin. Out of the record. House Bill 272, Representative Nash. Out of the record. House Bill 275, Representative McGann. Out of the record. House Bill 280, Representative Levin. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 280, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Condominium Property Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendments #1 and 2 were adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #3, Levin, amends House Bill 280 as amended in Section 1 and Section 25 and so forth."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Levin, on the Amendment."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Amendment #3 responds to some concerns by the Illinois Homebuilders and clarifies the procedures for turnover of control of condominiums where there are add ons. I move for the adoption of Amendment #3." 21  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983

"The Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment #3. On that question, the Gentleman from Macon, Representative Dunn."

"Will the Sponsor yield for a question?"

"He will."

"Mr. Sponsor, you've indicated that the Amendment is in response to some concerns of the homebuilders industry. Are they in agreement with the Amendment as...in its present form?"

"Yes, they are."

"And if the Amendment is adopted, will they be in agreement with the Bill as amended?"

"Yes, this...the series of..."

"Thank you. That's all I need to know."

"...Amendments were developed with their attorney."

"Is there further discussion? Being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #3 be adopted?'. All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment's adopted. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #4, Levin, amends House Bill..."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Levin."

"Amendment #4 simply clears up a bad reference pointed out by staff."

"The Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment #4. Is there any discussion? Being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #4 be adopted?'. All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment's adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Representative Levin on House Bill 283. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk." 22  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983

"House Bill 283, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act in relation to condominiums. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #2 was adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"A Motion to table Amendment #2 by Representative Levin."

"Representative Levin on the Motion."

"Yes, it is my intention to table Amendment #2, withdraw Amendment #3 and go with Amendment #4 which replaces Amendment #2."

"Well, let's go with one Motion at a time. The Motion is to table Amendment #2. All those in favor of the Motion signify by saying 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment's tabled. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #3, Levin."

"Representative Levin on Amendment #3."

"I withdraw Amendment #3."

"Amendment #3 is withdrawn. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #4, Levin, amends House Bill 283 on page one."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Levin."

"Yes, Amendment #4 is basically Amendment #2."

"Excuse me. Representative Vinson."

"We don't have a copy of the Amendment, Mr. Speaker."

"Is Amendment #4 printed and distributed? Yes, it is. Proceed, Representative Levin."

"Amendment #4 is basically Amendment #2. It deals with master associations. The homebuilders asked for certain clarifications with respect to master associations, which are included in this Amendment. I would ask for the adoption of Amendment #4."

"The Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment #4. Is there any discussion? Being none, the 23  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 question is, 'Shall Amendment #4 be adopted?'. All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment's adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 284, Representative Levin. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 284, a Bill for an Act to amend the Condominium Property Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2, Levin, amends House Bill..."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Levin."

"Amendment #2 was requested by the homebuilders and simply clarifies that certain types of language that are currently being used are proper in terms of declarations."

"The Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment #2. Is there any discussion? No discussion, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #2 be adopted?'. All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment's adopted. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #3, Levin, amends House Bill 284..."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Levin."

"Yeah, Amendment #3 modifies a provision which would allow peti...for auditing of the books and records of the Association by a petition of the percentage of the unit members. Representative Cullerton requested that the percentage for small condominiums be increased to 50%, and that's what this Amendment does."

"The Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment #3. On that question, the Gentleman from Adams, 24  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 Representative Mays."

"Will the Gentleman yield for a question?"

"He will."

"For units of less than six, according to this Amendment, you're going to only...one apartment renter could request an audit, and..."

"No, just the opposite. With units of six and under, it will require 50% of the unit owners pursuant to this Amendment in order to request an audit."

"Is this the landlords' expense or the tenants' expense?"

"This is neither. This is...relates solely to condominiums, and it's a...be where 50% of the unit owners in the condominium request an audit of the books and records of the Association, Condominium Association. This Bill is an Amendment to the Condominium Property Act."

"Thank you."

"Further discussion? Being none, the question is, 'Shall Amendment 3 be adopted?'. All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment's adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 285, Levin. Representative Levin. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 285, a Bill for an Act to amend the Condominium Property Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #2 was adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"Motion filed to table Amendment #2 by Representative Levin."

"Representative Levin on the Motion."

"Yes, there were a couple of bad references in Amendment #2. Amendment #3 will replace Amendment #2, and so I ask to table Amendment #2." 25  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983

"The Gentleman moves to table Amendment #2. All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Motion carries. The Amendment's tabled. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #3, Levin, amends House Bill..."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Levin."

"Yes, Amendment #3 is essentially Amendment #2, just correcting a couple of bad references that appeared in Amendment #2."

"The Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment #3. Is there any discussion? Being none, the question is, 'Shall Amendment 3 be adopted?'. All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment's adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 289, Representative Cullerton. 289, out of the record. House Bill 312, Representative Taylor. Representative Taylor on the floor? Out of the record. House Bill 336, Representative Preston. Out of the record. House Bill 338, Representative Stuffle. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 338, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Pension Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendments #1...2...Amendments #1 and 2 were adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #3, Neff - Stuffle, amends House Bill 338 by deleting the title."

"The Gentleman from Henderson, Representative Neff, on Amendment #3."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Amendment #3 to House Bill 338 is 26  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 needed so that the survivors and widows receive equal benefits under this legislation. This is probably the most needy group of all. The survivors and widows do not receive automatic increases, and the only increases for them over the past two years with ad hoc and..."

"Excuse me, Representative Neff. Representative Piel, for what reason do you rise?"

"No problem with the Amendment, Mr. Speaker, but a question of the Clerk. Is...is the Calendar misnumbered?"

"Amendments 1 and 2 were adopted in Committee."

"The Calendar says 3 - 1, 2 and 3."

"1 and 2 were adopted in Committee."

"On the Calendar it says pension impact note requested as amended by 1, 2 and 3, but up above it says the Amendments adopted are 1 and 2."

"Very good. Thank you."

"Proceed, Representative Neff."

"Yeah. There are about 13,000 survivors and widows who are not included. These benefits cannot be passed on, and the future cost goes down to attrition. Employees have contributed one percent of their income to the survivor fund, part of the reserve of the system. This Amendment ensures....Amendment ensures that the money and state contribution provide a small increase to the cost of living for these people. An example of how it work: a person receiving $200 per month benefit and 10 years assessed benefits in...would save approximately $10 a month. So we're just asking for a small increase for the survivors and widows of the original pensioner. This applies to teachers, college teachers and other teachers."

"The Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment #3. On that question, the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Terzich." 27  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983

"Representative, was...I notice your concern about the widows. I haven't seen too much support for them, but I see that you're speaking about the widows and survivors now. Didn't we recently increase the benefits for the teachers and survivors on an ad hoc basis? It seems that each year you put this type of an Amendment on. It's never come before the Pension Laws Commission."

"Yes, we increased them, but this here would...they would start...for the last ten years they were...have not been increased, and this was...they would start receiving this increase January the 1st, 1981."

"Is there any contribution for this increased benefit, or is it free?"

"No, of course, these people have put into the fund over the year, and they have contributed one percent of their income to the surviving fund, which is part of the reserve system."

"Yes, but I mean, they are getting benefits for their contributions, aren't they? So if they're getting more benefits, I assume that you'd have to make more contributions."

"Of course, we're talking about a lot of people that receive anywhere from $200 to $300 a month pension. These are widows and survivors, and it is going to cost some money. And I think sooner or later, Representative, we are going to have to address the issue you're referring to."

"Well, Mr. Speaker, I...you know, this was not put...even put before the Pension Law. We've heard a number of teachers' pension Bills, and I would ask that a pension impact statement be prepared if this Amendment is adopted, before it move to Third Reading."

"Sir, I...in answer to that, I'm having one prepared, and we will hold this on Second Reading till it is...it is 28  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 prepared."

"There being no further discussion, the Gentleman from Vermilion to close, Representative Stuffle."

"Yes, I would just accept the Amendment as the principal Sponsor of the Bill. I think Representative Neff answered Representative Terzich's questions. Representative Terzich only made two representations that were in error. Number one, he said the Bill hadn't gone through the Commission (sic...Committee), and the Bill that Representative Neff originally put in did go through the Commission (sic - Committee); and number two, he indicated that this has been put in several times. It's only happened once, and it was on a different basis in the past. So only those two things were in error out of the three things he said. But other than that, he was correct, and I would ask for an affirmative vote."

"The Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment #3. All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment's adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"The Bill will remain on the Order of Second Reading. A pension impact note has been requested and not filed. House Bill 343, Representative McCracken. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 343, a Bill for an Act to add Sections to the Code of Civil Procedure. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions filed."

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2, McCracken, amends House Bill 343 as amended with reference to the page..." 29  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983

"Representative McCracken on Amendment #2."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This is a largely technical Amendment. It redefines the concept of cost more specifically. It makes other changes to reflect the intent of the Bill as amended in Committee. I'd ask for its adoption."

"Representative Cullerton, for what reason do you rise?"

"Maybe the Sponsor will yield. Representative McCracken, I understand that the..."

"He will. Proceed."

"...The trial lawyers may be opposed to this Bill, unless it's amended. And I question this. Is this Amendment the one requested by the trial lawyers?"

"I don't know about the trial lawyers. Representative Johnson and I have worked on the Amendment. He's in agreement with it."

"Okay, so assuming that once you adopt this Amendment which is just technical, do you have any other Amendments that you intend to propose?"

"Not at this time. No."

"Okay."

"The Gentleman from Champaign, Representative Johnson, on the Amendment."

"Representative McCracken is correct. The purpose of the Amendment is to simply narrow the scope of the Bill. That really is the potential objection of not only the trial lawyers, but the Medical Society and others. We think this makes it a narrowly drawn Bill that meets the objectives of the Sponsor."

"The Gentleman from DeWitt, Representative Vinson."

"Will the Sponsor yield for a question?" 30  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983

"He will."

"Would you explain to me again what the Amendment does?"

"The Amendment redefines cost. Part of the objection in Committee was that cost was not defined precisely, that it was only defined by description to include all costs and expenses incurred in litigation. This Amendment limits the definition of cost and specifically delineates what constitutes cost within the meaning of the Act. It does not include any of the larger items."

"There being no further discussion, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #2 be adopted?'. All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment's adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Speaker Madigan in the Chair."

"On page 43 of the Calendar on the Order of Motions, we shall proceed to a consideration of Motions which propose to discharge the Appropriations Committees. Therefore, we will not go to Motions which attempt to discharge a Nonappropriation Committee or other Motions. House Bill 425, Mr. Huff. Is Mr. Huff in the chamber? The Gentleman's not in the chamber. House Bill 659 is a Motion which falls within the category which shall not be called. House Bill 739 was taken from the record at the request of the Sponsor. House Bill 889, Representative Barnes."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, House Bill 889 is a Fiscal Year '84 operating budget for the Department of Commerce and Community Affairs. But the issue is not that this Bill provides 139.6 million for the newly created Federal Joint Partnership Training Act and helps put our unemployed to work, or that it includes 96.4 million to provide energy assistance grants to the poor, or that it provides 93.3 million in federal block grant 31  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 funding for necessary community development projects. Although these programs are all necessary and very important, the issue is whether the Legislature shall be denied its constitutional responsibility for making appropriations. This Motion pertains to Members' rights, the rights that we have to introduce Bills, to amend Bills and to make Motions on Bills. The Speaker has decided that this basic right should be ignored and suppressed for some politically expedient reasons. I don't believe that this reason is sufficient enough to allow the Speaker's decisions to stand. The Governor has made his budget request. The budget is now with us in the Legislature. If we don't like it, we should amend it. That is our right and indeed our constitutional responsibility. Please don't deny it. I urge your support to discharge this and the other appropriation Bills from Committee, so that we may act responsibly on the Fiscal Year '84 budget. The Members of my Committee and Appropriations I Chairman, Ted Leverenz, attended all of the budget hearings, heard all the Amendments discussed, but we were not permitted to vote any Bills out of Committee, and that's why I have filed this Motion to discharge, and I would urge each and every one of you to support it."

"The Lady moves to discharge the Appropriations I Committee from further considerations of House Bill 889. On that Motion, the Chair recognizes Representative Matijevich."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, I am going to speak to this one, then I'll allow the Chairman of the Appropriations I and II Committees from then on to speak to the issue. First, would the Lady yield for one moment? Representative Barnes, you did allude to our constitutional responsibility. Isn't our constitutional responsibility to 32  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 appropriate at levels according to our estimated revenues? Isn't that really our constitutional responsibility?"

"Yes, it is."

"That's right. Therefore, because that is our constitutional responsibility, isn't this year much, much different than any other year that we've had in the past where we haven't been able to determine what our estimated revenues are going to be?"

"Well, Mr...Representative Matijevich, the Governor's Budget does not exceed the revenue that's available."

"Are you saying that then you would have been very happy to see the Appropriations Committee send out Bills to the House floor at the levels introduced by the Governor? Is that what you're telling me?"

"Representative Matijevich, the Members of my Committee were very loyal about attending. They had..."

"That's not my question."

"...Amendments that they would have liked to propose to change and cut back in some areas, and they were not permitted that right."

"In other words, you're telling me that you even wanted to cut back more than the Governor introduced the budget. Is that what you're saying?"

"Representative Matijevich, I am telling you that the Members of my Committee had the right to introduce Amendments and to do what they chose to do. And some of them felt that way."

"Well...Well, Ms. Speaker, let me speak to the issue. I have before me an editorial the day after the Governor gave his budget message. It's from the Journal-Register. Let me only read the last paragraph of that editorial, wherein it says, 'The Governor has given us the picture of what the situation would be with no new revenues. But 33  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 that's only half a loaf. He needs to spell out what he proposes to do with new revenues. Then the Legislature, then the Legislature can get down to the demanding task of evaluating those proposals and deciding exactly what the tax and spending levels will be for the fiscal year that starts July 1. Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, this year is different than any year that I have served here in the Legislature. We...we have a Governor who proposed a budget message to us telling us, 'This is a budget that we should not adopt'. And I, unless I have to have a hearing aid as John Dunn proposed yesterday - unless my ears fail me - I also heard the Governor, at that time, say that in the few weeks afterward, he would set down before us appropriation levels that would fit the new revenues. He has yet to do that, yet to do that. So we are sort of in a quandry this year. We have been given a budget by the Governor telling us that these are not acceptable levels. In fact, I remember the Governor using terms like 'levels of decency for human services'. I heard him use terms like 'the levels of excellence for education'. I heard him use terms like 'the levels of acheivement for transportation'. Yet he has not come forward telling us how new revenues ought to be set forth in a, quote, 'new budget'. I don't think it's responsible that this Legislature, in its legislative capacity, pass out two budgets, one already said to be unacceptable. Yet, if we were responsible at this very moment, that would be the only thing that we could do, because from all that we have before us today, that we do not have these new revenues that we could be guaranteed on. So I don't know how anybody could pass that budget to the floor and be happy about it. Yet, I don't think that we should pass two budgets, one unacceptable, one that we'd like, yet we're 34  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 not sure of the revenues. So I believe that the Speaker has been responsible and responsive. We yet don't know the revenues that are coming forward. And I know, and I can hear you say, 'Well, that's our legislative responsibility'. I think our legislator responsibility is act accordingly when we're fairly certain revenues are forthcoming. If they're not, then we act accordingly. But we are yet in that state of flux. And let me tell you what's made our job more difficult. There are...we all respond and react to our constituents. And there are many, many of our constituency who feel that the Governor was telling the truth during the campaign, that we are in good shape. That has made our legislative duties and responsibilities most difficult. And I don't say that from a partisan standpoint. I say that as a matter of fact, because of the fact that right after the election, the Governor has now stated - and I believe stated the fact properly - that we are in bad, serious financial situation. But yet, that has made our job difficult, because we now must go to the electorate and say, 'We need new revenues if we are going to pass a budget that has those levels of decency, has those levels of acheivement and levels of excellence in education'. But to do it on this day, to do it on this day and say that these Bills should come to the floor of the House at levels not one Legislator knows with regards to revenue, not one Legislator can say with any degree of certainty what the levels of revenue are, would be totally irresponsible, totally fiscally irresponsible. And therefore, I urge the Membership to defeat the Motion to discharge Committee."

"On the Motion, Representative Leverenz, the Chairman of the Appropriations I Committee."

"Would the Sponsor yield to a couple of questions?" 35  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983

"The Sponsor indicates that she will yield."

"You asked or made some statements about the Constitution. Does it provide for dates and deadlines by which we should have a fair hearing and do our thing?"

"Representative Leverenz, those are monitored according to the House rules that we have passed."

"You made a statement. You stated that the Bills were heard in Committee as well as the proposed Amendments. Is that correct?"

"Could you repeat that please?"

"You stated earlier that the Bill and the proposed Amendments were fully discussed in Committee. Right?"

"I stated that my Committee was very remarkable in their attendance, because it was very easy to lose interest when you're not allowed to vote on any Amendments or any Bills. And I said the Bills were discussed and the Amendments were discussed in Appropriations I."

"Thank you for restating that, because to your next point, you stated that your Members wanted to make additional cuts and cut back, but did not have a chance. Why did they not come forth with some proposed Amendments, so that we could discuss them?"

"You know, yesterday morning when we couldn't get a quorum, you were shocked at that also, Mr. Chairman. And I said, well, you know, a lot of people feel why keep coming in here at quarter till eight, eight o'clock when you can't vote anything out of this Committee? So they just kind of come streaming in. You and I discussed that yesterday. They didn't introduce the Amendments, because there wasn't any purpose to it."

"That then flies in the face of your earlier statement where you said you had excellent attendance from your Members in Committee." 36  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983

"I did on my side. I did. You're absolutely right. And I really want to commend Bob Winchester. He was always at my side."

"No question about that. The esteemed Representative and Committeeman for Southern Illinois agreed, even though when he was not fully prepared, he handled the things that you asked him to. But even to this budget, and this Motion and to the point that it appeared in Committee II, isn't there $67,000,000 additional general revenue in the DCCA budget? Is that correct?"

"Absolutely false. And I would like to respond to the fact that you said that..."

"Well..."

"...Representative Winchester wasn't prepared. I felt that he always was. It was a little difficult some days, though, because you have, you know, your good days and your bad days."

"Am I having a good day or a bad day? That's a question. To the Motion, Mr. Speaker. Certainly I think the Motion should be defeated. The Representative has been asked to do something, I don't think her heart is in. The Governor has proposed an unacceptable budget to him. He said that he would come back and tell us how much additional revenue his package would...tax package would produce. He said that he would share with us how that money would be spent. He did with the Senate, but apparently doesn't want to come and share that information with the House. We don't know, and it looks bleak that we would ever be able to gather enough votes to pass a tax package. I think that the Spokesperson should demand from the Governor action, action that will allow us to address the final amounts that we can put in these budgets. I think it is not appropriate for the Motion and ask that you 37  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 vote red in opposition on the Motion. Thank you."

"The Chairman of the Appropriations II Committee, Representative Bowman."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. If we fail to discharge Committee at this point, the Bills are not dead. They go on the table where they may be retrieved at any moment. We have a long time ahead of us before we adjourn for the summer, before we must pass a budget. There is no urgency at this particular point. Now normally we would probably have voted Bills out of Committee by this...by this time, just because it has been the tradition and the custom to regulate our Calendar in this fashion, and that tradition and custom has been recognized by our rules. But our rules also provide for unusual circumstances, and so we could, at some future date when we know what we have to spend, merely take the Bills from the table. That is not a difficult thing to do. And since I've been in the Legislature, I've seen a number of Bills lifted from the table in the weaning hours of the Legislature. In fact, just last year, just last year at a time when we were facing the difficult budget crisis that is now hard upon us, the other side of the aisle made a Motion to take a Bill from the table to repeal the inheritance tax. I mean, right out of the blue we had before us on the House floor, alive and well, a Bill to repeal the inheritance tax which only, a day earlier late in June, had been on the table. So failure to discharge Committee does not kill the Bills. It puts them in sort of a limbo state where they can be retrieved at a later date. Now, the other speakers have already, I think, very well indicated that the Governor has said that his proposed budget is unacceptable to himself. I think we all know that it is unacceptable to us as well. What I think people 38  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 are perhaps less aware of is that we don't even know what the bottom line really is if there is no tax increase. Let's assume that there is no tax increase. Well, why shouldn't we then vote the Bills out at the doomsday levels? Well, because we don't know how much we have to spend, even under that contingency, because, because, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, this financial crisis has been building for...for at least two if not three years. And we have dealt with it in the past by sweeping things under the rug, by deferring Bills, by postponing payments, and to the point where we have postponed payments of approximately $750,000,000. Add to that discrepancy that...according to the Illinois Economic and Fiscal Commission suggests that our revenues...the Governor's revenue estimate may be as much as $200,000,000 low in general revenue funds. That means that there is uncertainty in the bottom line without a tax increase of maybe a billion dollars, almost a billion dollars, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. So if we don't get a tax increase, we could conceivably work on the budget and come up with a different bottom line, depending on our response to these unpaid Bills and, in our view, of whether the Economic and Fiscal Commission is right or whether the Governor is right. There is just too much uncertainty to act now. So we cannot responsibly act at this particular moment. And until you know how much money you have to spend, you cannot begin to appropriate it. And it's not a small amount of money that we're talking about that creates this uncertainty. It is a large amount of money, perhaps as large as a billion dollars, even without a tax increase. Therefore, I recommend that we defeat these discharge Motions at this time. Later on when we know how much money we have to spend, we can deal with the budget very easily, 39  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 very efficiently and very simply, and everyone will have an opportunity to vote on the budget. So I recommend, at this point in time, to defeat these Motions."

"Mr. Reilly."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. The obvious fallacy of what the Gentleman and the Majority are saying is that the uncertainty about how much revenue we are going to have to the extent that is a question of a tax increase, is not one the Governor can resolve. It is one only we can resolve in our hearts and our minds as to whether we have the decision and what decision that's going to be. That's not going to become clearer by actions of the Governor nor is it going to become clearer by our hiding behind him. It's no secret that I have been, over the years, close to the Governor and that I have often risen on this floor to present his programs and have defended his programs, and I will again. But I've also risen on this floor to attack his programs when I thought they were wrong, and I have never felt bound by anything that he's said. I have always felt that I was elected to exercise my own independent judgment, to agree with him when I could, to disagree with him when I must. It is doubly ironic, therefore, that the argument on the other side of the aisle is that we can't do anything until the Governor tells us what we ought to do. Now, I would have been appreciative if that argument at any...several times over the last eight years. If the Governor had said, 'We ought to do this', I'd have really enjoyed having the other people on the other side of the aisle just stampede themselves to my side to support his allocations of the budget. But that never happened before. You all know it's balony now. You all know it won't happen this time either. The issue here is a clear and simple issue. You can hide 40  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 behind the Governor if you want. Right, wrong, indifferent, that's not the point. You look around this chamber, the Governor is not here. Even if he were, he couldn't vote. He wasn't elected. We were. Better for worse, that's the case. We have to pass a budget. The issue here, plain and simple, is that Representative Barnes, a Legislator duly elected to this House, introduced a Bill in this House. It's Representative Barnes' Bill. It's not the Governor's Bill. It may reflect his wishes in some ways, but it is Representative Barnes' Bill. But by decision of the Majority in this House, Representative Barnes has been denied her constitutional right to a Roll Call on her Bill. It was posted. It was posted. It was posted subject matter only and never, never was she allowed to present a Motion 'do pass' or any of the other Members of the Committee. Now that's the issue. You can dress it up. You can put all the other rhetoric on it. You can talk about all these other things. But the issue is, does a Member of this House have a right to present a Bill to a Committee and get it voted up or down? That's it. You know it. That's the plain and simple issue. Now, let me set out what would happen if this Motion succeeds, what would be our intention, I think, on this side of the aisle in terms of trying to deal with the budget situation, which we've been denied the right to do until now. If this Motion succeeds, well, this Motion, itself, only deals with the budget of one state agency. All state agencies have been bottled up in Committee. The budgets of all state agencies die at midnight tonight. It would be our intention, therefore, if this Bill... if this Motion is successful and we get any one of these Bills out onto the floor, to hold that so that Members who have strong feelings about education, who have strong feelings about 41  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 public aid, who have strong feelings about mental health, who have strong feelings about corrections and all of the other areas of state spending could offer whatever Amendments they want. We offer that not just to our own Members, but to all of you on the other side of the aisle. The Public Aid budget is bottled up here. It was killed in the Senate. It seems to us it's irresponsible that we do not deal with that. So, that is what we are trying to do. We are trying to get a Bill or Bills out to the floor so that we can deal with all of these kind of questions, and we intend to make some assumptions about that. We intend... I mean, the question of whether there is the Governor's predicted amount of revenue or the Economic and Fiscal Commission amount of revenue. Frankly, I think the Gover... my own personal belief is the Governor's revenue estimate is probably low, and I am prepared, as a Republican Spokesman on one of the Appropriations Committees, to proceed on that basis and offer Amendments on that basis. We were prepared in Committee, and we asked repeatedly to be able to offer Amendments and were denied that right. We were prepared in Committee to offer an entire program of cuts in travel, cuts in executive security, cuts in contractual line items in a whole series of agencies and, by cutting that, to come up with a pot of money that could be used for restoring some of the unacceptable cuts. That's the way you make a budget. That's the way you begin this process. We begin working through it, and maybe we'd find at the end of that we didn't need a tax increase. Maybe we'd find at the end of that we were all convinced that we did, but that's the responsible process. I'm not going to take any more of the time of the House. I suspect Members have made up their minds. Let me just tell you, on both sides of the aisle, 42  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 the consequences defeating this Motion. What that will mean is that about eight of us and I'll be in the room. So, I personally have no concern about this. Representative Barnes will be in the room. But what not dealing with the appropriations process now means is that 99% of the Members on this floor will never have anything to do with the appropriations process. About eight of us will gather in a room June 30th, and we will put together a budget. And it will come out here, and it'll come out in one or two huge Bills. We'll know what's in it. You won't, not through any fault of ours, but because we are defeating Motions or some people are saying that we should defeat Motions like this today. So, when June 30th comes and you're asked to vote on a 1500 page Amendment that spends fourteen and a half billion dollars, know it's your fault - yours personally, because you failed. If you vote 'no' on this Motion, you failed to exercise your constitutional obligation as a Member to deal with the budget in an appropriate fashion. The issue here is whether we're going to deal with the budget. The issue here is whether Representative Barnes has a right, as an individual Member, a constitutional right to present a Bill and have it voted up or down. That's the issue. Dress it up with all this other stuff. Hide behind the Governor all you want. It's all baloney. You know that. Let's go on. Let's vote this Bill out onto the floor, and then let's deal with the budget next week in a responsible fashion."

"Mr. Vinson."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members. Many Members on the other side have dealt and dwelled on the inadequacy of the budget. They don't like the budget as it's introduced. And some of those Members have dwelled on the uncertainty of revenues, and revenues are uncertain. Revenues are 43  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 always uncertain. In the past year, 500 to a billion slipped away because of the economic recession. And I suppose it's true that revenues are uncertain even more this year because of proposals for tax increases. I don't think that that can be denied. But it's this chamber and the chamber across the rotunda that have the responsibility to raise revenues. The Constitution does not give the Governor the right to enact tax increases or tax decreases. The Constitution places that responsibility on the Legislature. It is the chamber which passes the law which raises or lowers taxes. It is the chamber which passes the laws which expend money - appropriation Bills. Now, what are the realities of this chamber? The realities of this chamber is that the other side of the aisle has 70 votes, one vote short of their number required to suspend any rule in the rule book. With 70 votes, you could pass any tax increase or any tax decrease, Mr. Speaker. And with 70 votes you could pass a budget at any level you choose to pass that budget at - a 14 billion dollar budget, a 20 billion dollar budget, a 10 billion dollar budget. Seventy votes will do that every day of the week, and you have those 70 votes across the aisle there. And I presume those 70 votes are looking to you, Mr. Speaker, for some leadership. You said earlier in this Session that you hoped to be a strong Speaker, Mr. Speaker. You said that you were going to establish a new order in an orderly process. Now, where is that new order when you just bottle up appropriation Bills and say that we're going to deal with them in a small room in a Conference Committee at the end of the Session? That's not orderly and deliberative process. That's not a way to go about appropriating money or raising revenue. A strong Speaker, Mr. Speaker, when the subject is tax increases, doesn't say, 'I'm waiting for 44  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 the Governor'. A strong Speaker doesn't say, 'I'm waiting for the Senate'. A strong Speaker leads, leads those 70 votes; and, if you will lead, you can galvanize those votes and pass a tax increase or a tax decrease and the budget that goes along with it. But a strong Speaker leads and does not wait. A strong Speaker writes the budget. A strong Speaker writes the revenue Bills, and a strong Speaker moves those Bills through the process. He doesn't bottle them up and say, 'I'm waiting for the Governor', or, 'I'm waiting for the Senate'. Mr. Speaker, it's time for you to lead. It's time for you to become that strong Speaker you aspire to be, rather than to wait for the Governor or to wait for the Senate and to bottle up appropriation Bills, Mr. Speaker. So, I ask you to put those 70 votes on and discharge the Committee on these Bills so that we can act on them and so that you can become a strong Speaker."

"Let's everybody give him a hand. Mr. Davis."

"Do want to give me a hand in front, or do you want me to go through it all? Mr. Spea... Very possibly. Mr. Speaker, we jest a little bit, but it's a very serious matter. As you know, the Chamber this morning, of course, is filled on your side of the aisle only three steps from me with mandacity, smokescreens, with convoluted and infractious partisan thinking. We hear pious speaches from a former well-respected Chairman and Spokesman of an Appropriation Committee, who is now a leader on your side of the aisle, about responsibility, about the responsibility of producing a budget consistent with the revenues that's awful. According to the Governor, it's awful. And yet, Mr. Speaker, you directly ordered your Committee Chairman to repeal the provisions of the Illinois Constitution that offer Representative Barnes a chance to 45  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 have a Roll Call on her Bill, to have a chance to have Roll Calls on your quote, 'proposed Amendments', unquote. You had the votes to kill the Bill in Committee, to table the Bill in Committee. You have the votes to do whatever you want to do in that Committee. Our Members weren't allowed Roll Call votes on anything. You have affectively repealed the Constitution and trampled greatly, mightily on the rights of the Minority and, indeed, on the rights of every Member, because Representative Reilly was right. For those of you who are new on the other side of the aisle, you won't have a damn thing to do with the appropriations process. Now, let's talk about responsibility, Mr. Speaker, the responsibility that you have to develop if you're going to bottle up administration Bills to develop and alternative budget, Mr. Speaker. And it's nothing new for your Party. In 1978, you tried to capture, with Speaker Redmond, you tried to capture the Republican administration budget. You bottled everything up that you could; and, in the end, your own Members turned against you realizing that was a mistake and turned the budget back to its rightful owners, the Governor and the Republican Party. And that's indeed true. Yes, a lot of us are not happy with the levels of the budget as introduced. The Governor has addressed the issue. He said he wants more taxes. There are people on both sides of the aisle that say, 'That's not a bad idea. What's the magnitude? What's the duration? What's the pain that we can eleviate without stirring up more pain in the tax paying community? What is that level?' But where, Mr. Speaker, is your plan? We know you're working on an alternative budget. We know you're working on your own tax plan, because you, Mr. Speaker, have to have additional dollars, many, many additional dollars for the needs of your constituency as 46  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 well as the rest of the state. Where are the transit dollars going to come from? How is the Chicago school system going to function in September? Where is your plan, Mr. Speaker? The President of the Senate has an equal majority. The President of the Senate has instructed his Chairman to vote in Committee. Yes, they are taking budgets down. The Public Aid budget went down last night in Committee, but they're working, Mr. Speaker. They're allowing the Constitution to prevail. They would have allowed Representative Barnes to hear her Bill, had she been in the Senate. You, Sir, are not allowing that. You have effectively repealed the Constitution. I believe that you all on that side should support this Motion. It's not a question of the budget. It's a question of rights of the Members on your side and on ours. It's our budget. We could have tabled these Bills. In fact, there was talk of doing that. Table all the administration Bills, and then, Mr. Speaker, where would your alternative budget have been? When are you going to unveil it, Sir? When are we going to hear what your tax plan is, because we know you have one? Support Representative Barnes' Motion to discharge."

"Mr. Friedrich."

"Mr. Speaker, I'd like to address my remarks mostly to the new Members on the other side of the aisle and those who are not in Leadership. On June the 28th, you're going to find yourself in one of the most miserable things that you could possibly conceive in this Body. You're going to be voting a mass Bill on all of the departments, and you won't have anything to say about what's in it. So, what's happening today, you're shoving yourself into a box where you have no choice. You were elected by your people back home to make decisions on all of these departments. If you vote... do not support this Motion to discharge, you'll 47  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 find yourself doing it; and, when it happens, you'll wonder how you got that way. So, right now, you're making the decision to whether or not you want to vote on one great, big Bill, which the Speaker and his Leadership team put together, or whether you're going to have a choice about what goes for Public Aid, Mental Health, or Education or anything else. You're losing your choice if you do not support this Bill. The Constitution plainly says it's the responsibility of the Legislature to provide revenue and make the appropriation Bills. You're going to lose that chance if you do not support these Motions. I think I know what's going to happen. You're going to blindly follow your Leadership right down the path into a crack that you wont' like when you get there."

"Mr. Hoffman."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I, along with a few other people who are sitting on this floor, were here in 1969 when we addressed the issue of raising revenue; and, yes, at that time, the then Governor, Governor Ogilvie, took the position that it was absolutely necessary, as has our current Governor, Thompson, that it's absolutely necessary to raise revenue. But then, as now, the Governor's responsibility is to propose and to set forward what he sees as a plan for this state and the people who reside in the state. And, Ladies and Gentlemen, it is our collective responsibility as a Legislature to dispose and to address the issue of raising revenue and establishing expenditure levels. And today we have an opportunity to move in the direction of making those decisions in a collectively responsible way, because, Ladies and Gentlemen, of those of you particularly who are here for the first time, the previous speakers have addressed the issue of what do we do on the 30th of June 48  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 when massive documents are dropped upon our desks with only a handful of people knowing what is in them and we're forced to make a decision. Ladies and Gentlemen, those people who put those together have exercised their responsibilities as Members of this House and as Members of that particular Conference Committee or Committees, as the case may be, but those of us who are not on those Committees have had our rights denied and we have not had an opportunity to represent our constituents in a responsible manner. An 'aye' vote on the Motions that are before us today will give us that opportunity to act responsibly, and I encourage you. I beseech you to think beyond the narrow partisanship which appears to exist in this area and reach out, and reach out and touch your constituents, and respond to them and exercise your responsibility as their Representative. Because, if you do not, we will all be remembered for what happened here, but we will be dealt with singularly. And for that reason, Ladies and Gentlemen, I encourage you to support these Motions."

"Ladies and Gentlemen, we've had a rather full debate on this question. There are five others seeking recognition. I would prefer just to recognize Representative Barnes to close the debate at this time. Representative Barnes to close."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen in the House, much has been said on House Bill 889. One of the speakers said he did not like the Governor's leadership. That is his prerogative. One of the previous speakers said he didn't think any Legislator in this Body could be happy voting on this budget, but who is he to measure the degree of happiness we, as elected officials, feel? I have seen, in past years, some Legislators actually smiling as they 49  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 vote 'no' on all the appropriations Bills, because they want to be number one on the conservative union list. There are others of us that vote 'yes', because we want to do what's responsible for our district. In one of the other hearings in another Committee the other day, one of the Democrat leaders said, 'The Democratic Party is for the poor people in addressing their needs'. Then, will you tell me how you can go back to your district and explain to the poor people that you're always so quick to help and the needy that this Bill addresses newly created Federal Joint Partnership Training Act that helps put our unemployed to work, the people that you want to hurt... or help, or that it provides energy assistance grants to the poor? Your voting 'no' on this legislation is denying what your Democratic Party claims to be - a helper to the needy and to the poor. Do the responsible thing that you're elected to do. Put a 'yes' vote on this Motion and do what you were elected to do and come down here and work hard as we do, and let's get our legislation out today."

"Representative Barnes has moved to discharge the Appropriations I Committee from further consideration of House Bill 889. On that question, all in favor signify by voting 'aye', all those opposed by voting 'no'. For what purpose does Mr. Cullerton seek recognition?"

"Mr. Speaker, I just wanted to explain my vote. Representative Reilly was absolutely correct when he said that the Governor does not sit in this Body. However, I think he was incorrect in saying he does not have any representation here. The Governor lives in my district. He's one of my constituents. As a matter of fact, he told me that he didn't vote against me in the general election since no Republican ran against me; and, on behalf of the Governor, I'd like to vote 'no'." 50  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983

"Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question, there are 47 'ayes' and 69 'nos'. The Lady's Motion fails. On the Order of Motions, there appears a Motion by Representative Barnes relative to House Bill 890. Representative Barnes."

"Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, House Bill 890 addresses 60,000,610 dollars for the appropriation for the Department of Conservation. I would appreciate an 'aye' vote."

"The Lady moves to discharge the Appropriations I Committee from further consideration of House Bill 890. On that question, the Chair recognizes the Chairman of the Appropriations I Committee, Representative Leverenz."

"Well, thank you, Mr. Speaker. And I went over a number of points. I believe that the Bill was heard. I believe that we can deal with the budget in a timely fashion, and I would ask a red vote on this Motion so that we can get on with the business of the House."

"The question is, 'Shall House Bill...' Excuse me. The question is, 'Shall the Appropriations I Committee be discharged from further consideration of House Bill 890?'. On that question, all in favor signify by voting 'aye', all those opposed by voting 'no'. For what purpose does Mr. Van Duyne seek recognition?"

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would just like to have a parliamentary inquiry and ask you how I would go about having all the numbers on these Motions to discharge, in a slang expression, lopped into one vote. Is that possible, and how do I go about it?"

"Mr. Van Duyne, I had discussed..."

"Strike the lop."

"I had discussed with the Minority Leadership a 51  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 variation of that question."

"Well, Mr. Speaker..."

"We will proceed through these Motions for a while and see how it goes."

"... if I'm allowed to make a comment or two. You know, I appreciate Representative Reilly telling us about the boondoggle..."

"Mr. Van Duyne, are you explaining your vote on this particular Bill?"

"Yes, thank you."

"Okay."

"I appreciate Representative Vinson's disseration on how great you are and all the how the House is constituted - 70 vote here and whatever. I appreciate Representative Friedrich's admonition to the freshman and so on, but I really don't think that you're being fair to people like me who get just sick and tired of all the ranting and raving over there. And you know exactly what it's for. So, if I could, Mr. Speaker, I'd move to lop."

"The Clerk shall take the record. On this question there are 47 'ayes', 67 'nos'. The Motion fails. For what purpose does Mr. Van Duyne seek recognition?"

"Seriously, Mr. Speaker. I really..."

"Seriously, I tried to respond to you by suggesting that we'll take a few of these Motions and see how it develops, and then we'll get back with you. Thank you. On page 44 of the Calendar, there appears a Motion by Representative Barnes relative to House Bill 891. Representative Barnes." Barnes; "Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I move to discharge the Appropriations of House Bill 891 for the expenses of the Department of Energy and Natural Resources for 50,515,900 dollars. I would appreciate a favorable 52  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 Roll Call."

"Chair recognizes Representative Leverenz."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I do indeed have a great deal of respect for the Representative that has filed this Motion. I do believe, however, that it is untimely, that we will have an opportunity to deal in a proper manner with these budgets. I would, again, request a red vote. Thank you."

"Representative Barnes has moved to discharge the Appropriations I Committee from further consideration of House Bill 891. On that question, all in favor signify by voting 'aye', all those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question, there are 47 'ayes', 67 'nos'. The Motion fails. The Chair recognizes Representative Breslin for the purpose of an announcement. Representative Breslin."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen, I would like to introduce to you the Hennepin Junior High School which is up in our gallery today from Putnam County. Welcome. Thank you."

"On page 44 of the Calendar there appears a Motion by Representative Barnes relative to House Bill 892. Representative Barnes."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, House Bill 892 is an appropriation for the Department of Financial Institution; and, before the order came down from on high, there was an Amendment adopted to this Bill that reduces contractual services by 4,500 dollars. And that was voted on in Committee. It was a Republican Amendment introduced by Representative Koehler."

"The Chair recognizes Representative Leverenz."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. That probably is a very good Amendment, but we do not yet know what the amount of money 53  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 is that we will have to spend. We will be able to deal with this when we get a message from on high from the higher second floor, Representative Cullerton's constituent, and I would move that we would defeat the Motion with a red vote."

"Representative Barnes has moved to discharge the Appropriations I Committee from further consideration of House Bill 892. On that question, all in favor signify by voting 'aye', all those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question, there are 47 'ayes', 68 'nos'. The Motion fails. House Bill 893, Representative Barnes."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, since it is very obvious that the Roll Call is going to remain at 47 'ayes' and 68 'nays', for expedient sake, I would like to take House Bill 893 through House Bill 909 on one Roll Call, if it is... suits your pleasure, Mr. Speaker."

"Is there leave? Leave is granted to consider the Motions by Representative Barnes on House Bill 893 through House Bill 909 on one Roll Call. And on that question, the Chair recognizes, Representative Barnes."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think, for the time... save the time of the House and to get on to other business, since it's very obvious that no one intends to do their duty and vote these appropriation Bills out as I have requested, I would just like a favorable Roll Call on discharge of the Motions 8... House Bill 893 through House Bill 909."

"On that question, the Chair recognizes Representative Leverenz."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The distinguished Lady now has a lop Motion, and I would ask that a lop Motion would 54  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 be appropriately defeated with a red vote."

"The question is concerning Representative Barnes' Motion to discharge the Appropriations I Committee from further consideration of House Bills 893 through 909. On that question, all in favor signify by voting 'aye', all those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question there are 47 'ayes' and 68 'nos'. The Motion fails. On page 45 of the Calendar there appears a Motion by Representative Reilly relative to House Bill 911. The Chair recognizes Mr. Reilly."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Out of respect to Representative Van Duyne and so that Representative Bowman won't have to get up so often, I would move to discharge the Committee on Appropriations II and advance to Second Reading the following Bills, do them all at once; 911, 912, 913, '14, '15, '16, '17, '18, '19, '20, and 1297. You all know the issues. I would just ask that the record show... repeat the remarks I made half an hour ago. Evidently, everbody's decided to roll over and play dead. I just intend to remind you of that on June 30th. I would urge passage of the Motion."

"Relative to Representative Reilly's Motion, the Chair recognizes the Chairman of the Appropriations II Committee, Mr. Bowman."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and I wish to thank Representative Reilly for his consideration. However, I probably could use the exercise, but I'd just say that we have seven weeks to go before the end of the Session. And in the Legislature, seven weeks is an eternity. We will not... We will be passing a budget. We will be considering a budget. Failure to defeat this ... Failure to discharge Committee will simply place the Bills in a limbo where we 55  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 can always get at them, and we have a long way to go. And so I urge that we do not take this step at this time and vote 'no'."

"The question is, 'Shall the Appropriations II Committee be discharged from further consideration of House Bills 911 through 920, plus House Bill 1297?'. On that question, all in favor signify by voting 'aye', all those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question there are 47 'ayes', 66 'nos'. The Motion fails. We shall return to the Order of House Bills Second Reading. On page 15 of the Calendar there appears House Bill 359. For what purpose does Representative Oblinger seek recognition?"

"Mr. Speaker, I do have a Bill to discharge in Appropriation Committee, 2091."

"On page 45 of the Calendar there appears a Motion by Representative Oblinger relative to House Bill 2091. On that question, the Chair Representat... recognizes Representative Oblinger."

"Mr. Speaker and Members of the General Assembly, this is for a grant to recognize medical schools and nursing schools in the State of Illinois, to help them develop geriatric medical courses, and I would appreciate support for the Motion to discharge from Appropriations I Committee this Bill."

"Representative Oblinger has moved to discharge the Appropriations I Committee from further consideration of House Bill 2091. On that question, the Chair recognizes Representative Leverenz."

"The Sponsor yield for a couple of questions?"

"The Sponsor indicates that she will yield."

"Is this something new, or is there a companion or 56  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 substantive Bill?"

"There's a substantive Bill, 2086, which..."

"What is the posture of that Bill?"

"That Bill will be an Amendment to Bill 2085."

"So, we have no substantive Bill for which we are asking an appropriation Bill to be discharged at this time. Is that correct?"

"Yes, it is."

"Then that is a cart before the horse, and it would be inopportune. And to the Motion, Mr. Speaker, I would suggest that once we know that there is something to fund, then we should figure out the funding level. I respectfully ask for a 'no' vote on this Motion."

"The question is, 'Shall the Appropriations I Committee be discharged from further consideration of House Bill 2091?'. On that question, all those in favor signify by voting 'aye', all those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question there are 47 'ayes', 67 'nos'. The Motion fails. Representative Barnes, do you wish to call your Motion relative to House Bill 1295?"

"Mr. Speaker, I think I will just withdraw that Motion."

"Thank you. The Motion shall be withdrawn. We shall return to the Order of House Bills Second Reading, page 15 of the Calendar... For what purpose does Mr. Vinson seek recognition?"

"Now, Mr. Speaker, that you have defeated the Governor's budget, when will we receive your budget?"

"Mr. Vinson, I have filed my budget request with the Bureau of the Budget."

"I'm talking about your budget request for all the agencies of the State of Illinois, all the municipalities 57  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 and school districts. When will we receive that?"

"Well, I feel that I've discharged my obligation under the Constitution by filing my budget request..."

"You feel no responsibility now to come forward with the budget now that you've defeated this one?"

"... so that we can meet the cost of your salary and your office expenses and your travel to and from Springfield."

"So, you are not going to come forward with a budget then."

"Well, Mr. Vinson, you know that I will take all appropriate action at the appropriate time."

"In... In regard to that, some three months ago I asked you when you were going to cause a new facility to be installed in the ladies' washroom. You said that would be done expeditiously. Can we expect as expeditious handling of the budget? Is that your defintion of expeditious today, too?"

"I think that we should just think in terms of appropriate action at the appropriate time."

"I'm sure you do. I just wonder what appropriate time is."

"Yeah, so am I."

"What's the City of Chicago going to do in the interim?"

"I presume that it will function just like the City of Springfield...."

"Do you think we could..."

"Thank you. We shall now move to the Order of House Bills Second Reading, page 15 of the Calendar, there appears House Bill 359, Representative Younge. Do you wish to call your Bill? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 359, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Public Aid Code. Second Reading 58  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"None."

"Third Reading. House Bill 362, Representative Younge. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 362, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Civil Administrative Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"None."

"Third Reading. House Bill 375, Mr. Stuffle. Gentleman indicates he does not wish to call his Bill. House Bill 402 shall be held at the request of the Sponsor. House Bill 424. Mr. Bowman, do you wish to call your Bill? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 424, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Senior Citizens and Disabled Persons Property Tax Relief Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #1, Bowman."

"Mr. Bowman."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Floor Amendment #1 was worked out with the... the various pharmacists' associations in the state and incorporates changes that they have been seeking and; otherwise, it's basically a clean-up Amendment. I move for its adoption."

"All those in favor of the adoption of the Amendment will signify by saying 'aye', all those opposed by saying 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Are there further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments." 59  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983

"Mr. Vinson, the Calendar indicates that a fiscal note has been requested, and contrary to what is reflected on the Calendar, that fiscal note has been filed with the Clerk. Mr. Vinson."

"Mr. Speaker, we would request the fiscal note to be filed as amended."

"Mr. Bowman."

"Yes, I believe that the... I'd like an interpretation from the Parliamentarian as to whether its applicable."

"The Parliamentarian will research the question of the need for an additional fiscal note. In the meantime, we will move to consideration of House Bill 463. Mr. Johnson, do you wish to call your Bill? Mr. Johnson. House Bill 471, Representative Deuchler. Do you wish to call your Bill? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 471, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Election Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1..."

"Representative Deuchler, there's some material missing in this particular file. We'll take this Bill from the record, and then we'll return to it as soon as the file returns. House Bill 474, Representative Currie. Do you wish to call your Bill? Is Representative Currie in the chamber? Do you wish to call House Bill 474? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 474, a Bill for an Act to amend the Revenue Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Are there any Motions?"

"No Motions filed."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. The Chair would ask the 60  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 Membership if I could have your attention for just... a few seconds. As we move through the Order of Second Reading, it is my policy not to move a Bill unless the Sponsor is in the chamber; and, in that regard, it would be very helpful if you would consult the Calendar before you leave the chamber to see if there is a Bill in the line of call. And if you see that we are only four or five Bills away from your Bill, it would be very helpful if you would stay right in the chamber until we get to your Bill and pass it so that we don't have these situations where Members are out of the chamber when their Bills are called. Thank you very much. House Bill 490, Mr. Stuffle. Gentleman indicates he does not wish to call his Bill. Let us return to House Bill 424. In the judgement of the Parliamentarian, there will be a need for an amended fiscal note in light of the Amendment that was adopted to the Bill. Therefore, the Bill shall remain on the Order of Second Reading. House Bill 494, Representative Younge. Do you wish to call your Bill? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 494, a Bill for an Act concerning local governments and alternate energy systems. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #1, Younge, amends House Bill 494..."

"Representative Younge."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Amendment #1 to House Bill 494 corrects a technical error to include the Department of Commerce and Community Affairs to make the grants. I move for the adoption of the Amendment."

"All those in favor of the adoption of the Amendment signify by saying 'aye', all those opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Are there 61  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 539, Representative Barnes. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 539, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Criminal Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Are there any Motions?"

"No Motions filed."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2, Barnes - Vinson."

"Representative Barnes."

"Mr. Chairman... or Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, Amendment #2 is merely a technical Amendment that was sent up to me by the Legislative Reference Bureau. When they were drafting the Bill, they had made some errors, and this merely corrects the errors that they made. I would ask for a favorable Roll Call. It doesn't change the Bill."

"Mr. Vinson."

"Mr. Speaker, after the Lady adopts her Amendment, I've filed a Motion to table Amendment #1 and verified, with the Assistant Clerk, yesterday, that the Motion was in the file. But I... We might as well let the Lady adopt her Amendment, because the two subjects are not..."

"Are the two Amendments not incompatible?"

"That's right."

"The Lady moves for the adoption of Amendment #2. All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', all those opposed by saying 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Mr. Clerk, has their been a Motion filed to table Amendment #1?"

"Representative Vinson indicates he wants to file 62  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 a Motion. He has filed a Motion to table Amendment 1."

"Mr. Vinson on your Motion to table Amendment #1. Mr. Clerk, correct the scoreboard."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee. What Amendment #1 does is to provide an affirmative defense for librarians to the crime mandated by this Act. What this Act does is to create an offense whereby those who engage in the distribution of child pornography... whereby those who engage in the distribution of child pornography may be punished. Now, it's our contention that those who engage in the distribution of child pornography should be punished whatever particular occupation they have. No particular individual, no particular occupation ought be protected if they engage in the distribution of child pornography. We believe... We believe that this Amendment ought be tabled, because we ought place no one above the law. What the purpose of the entire Bill is to do - and the Supreme Court has held favorably on such Bills in the past - is to deny the market for pornography, for child pornography. We believe the best way to avoid the exploitation of the some one million children who are exploited for purposes of child pornography is to deny a market for distribution. If people cannot reap windfall profits, if there is no profit in child pornography, then surely there will be a substantial reduction in the child pornography field. If you want to deny a market for child pornography, the best way to do it is to make it a crime to engage in the distribution of child pornography. And for that purpose, we believe that that market should be totally denied. We believe there should be no commercial market. We believe there should be no market in the libraries. Libraries purchase millions of volumes of literature per year; and, 63  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 because of that, they... they create a substantial market. One ought not create a substantial market for child pornography. One ought not try to exempt any profession which engages in the distribution of child pornography. That's the purpose for our Motion to table this Amendment. That's the purpose for the Bill, itself, and I would ask for a favorable vote on the Motion to table."

"Mr. Preston."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. It is very important that Members of this chamber be cognizant of what the effect of the Amendment is and what the effect of taking that Amendment off the Bill will be. The Amendment gives librarians the affirmative defense to... should they be involved in the act of distributing something that is later found to be within the purview of the Child Pornography Statute. To take that Amendment off will mean that librarians throughout this country are going to be responsible for reading and judging every book in their libraries. Now, let's look at who these librarians are. In the City of Chicago at the Central Library and at all the various branch libraries, in the summertime there are part-time employees who are hired, people who are hired for summer work only at $3.35 an hour. And these employees, who disseminate these books when somebody comes to take out a book, under this Act without this Amendment, will be criminally liable. They can go to prison. They could go to prison for doing what? They can go to prison for giving out a book at a public library. Now, I think there should be some places in America that are sacrosanct for the distribution of literature. As I said in Committee, I can't think of anything more pornographic, more obscene, more reprehensible than a book Mein Kampf, and yet that book is readily disseminated in libraries. 64  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 Because, no matter how disgusting what's contained in that book may be, it is felt that freedom of speech, freedom of the press takes precedence and that librarians, over all other institutions, should be able to disseminate whatever is given to them for dissemination without having the chilling effect of being criminally liable for distributing what they carry on their shelves. Now, the previous speaker spoke of the commercial impact of dissemination of books and other materials. Well, librarians and libraries don't fall within the commercial purview of distribution of literature. There's no great profit in selling books to libraries. In fact, most libraries receive many of their volumes free of charge. To, at this time, put the added burden on librarians to have to read the millions of volumes in some of the large libaries to make the independent determination of what is or what is not pornography is absolutely patently ridiculous. I didn't hire someone who works part time at the Chicago public library, or at the Clinton public library or any other public library to be my censor. I'm not asking them. They haven't been voted as censors for all of us; but, yet, we're making people who have, as individuals, various standards of what may be a medical instruction book and somebody else may determine that that book is child pornography. One person may say this is a reasonable book and reasonable pictures for a nursing manual, and somebody else might say that's child pornography. Well, I didn't vote for these people to make those determinations on my behalf. I didn't make... I didn't vote for those people to make determinations on behalf of the people in my district, on behalf of the people of Chicago, on behalf of the people of Illinois, and I'm urging that this... this Amendment stay on this Bill to make... And I might add, this 65  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 Amendment doesn't make this Bill a great Bill, but without it it's an absolutely ridiculous vehicle for nonsense; because, without this Amendment, you're making librarians criminally liable for doing nothing but handing a book over a counter. And I would urge you that an 18 year-old, or a 19 year-old, or a 20 year-old or any year-old employee of many of the public libraries in Illinois should not be allowed to make that independent determination. And, in fact, they couldn't make it if they wanted to, because they couldn't possibly read all the volumes in their library. This Motion must be rejected. This Amendment, which gives an affirmative defense to librarians, must be maintained on this otherwise terrible Bill."

"Mr. O'Connell."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I rise in support of the Gentleman's Motion. I think it's appropriate to, first of all, draw a very clear distinction between House Bill 539, which is before us today, and the issue that was before us last year, the so-called 'show me' controversy. The 'show me' controversy revolved around what is obscene. I voted against Representative Barnes' Bill at that time, because I and the majority of the Members of this Body felt that leaving the question of what is obscene or what is not obscene was a purely subjective decision. And it left the librarians up to the subjective judgements of various individuals who may have completely different ideas as to what is obscene and what is not. This Bill I would ask you to review in light of the fact that it is addressed at child pornography. It has nothing to do with obscenity. In fact, the reason why the Bill has been initiated after a complete and thorough study by the Illinois Investigating Commission, who recommended this Bill, is because a recent New York case, 66  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 which went to the United States' Supreme Court, 'Ferber' versus New York, addressed the fact that obscenity has nothing to do with child pornography. Child pornography is aimed at sexual exploitation of children. That's what this Bill is about - eliminating the exploitation of children. In the 'show me' controversy, we were concerned about vague generalities. Questions were raised that... such classics as Catcher in the Rye might be deemed as obscene, and we might be holding librarians criminally liable for dispensing of books such as Catcher in the Rye. I would point out to you that in House Bill 539 we have specific Acts, single-shot approaches to what is considered pornographic. I would ask you that a librarian whose books are screened also has the element of criminal intent that must be proven. There must be a mental state of criminal intent. And I would ask you, can you imagine a librarian not recognizing whether the facts, the elements of pornographic material, which is set forth in this Bill, could misunderstand, could misunderstand whether the following are pornographic acts or not? Let me, for a moment, read to you what we consider pornographic. For a child who is under the age of 16 that is actually or by simulation engaged in any act of sexual intercourse with any person or animal. Tell me, can a librarian misconstrue that as pornographic? Can you tell me whether a librarian can misconstrue whether, actually or by simulation, a person is engaged in any act of sexual contact involving the sex organs of the child, and the mouth, or the anus or the sex organs of another person or animal? Can a librarian misconstrue that as being pornographic? If, by actually or by simulation, engaged in any act of masturbation, can a librarian misconstrue that as being child pornographic? I would submit to you, Ladies and 67  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 Gentlemen of this House, that this is a very specific piece of legislation. It is not deemed at obscenity. It is addressed at sexual exploitation of children; and, by providing an affirmative defense for librarians, despite the good-faith intentions of the librarians, we are not subjecting a librarian to criminal intent unless, indeed, the librarian has the necessary criminal knowledge that the books which they are dispensing is in direct violation of this law, a very specific law. I would ask for your affirmative consideration of this Motion to table Amendment #1. Thank you."

"Ladies and Gentlemen, there are now three Republicans seeking recognition and four Democrats on this question. The Chair would suggest, just suggest, that one more Republican speak to the question and one more Democrat, and then we go to Roll Call. Representative Pullen was the first Republican seeking recognition. Representative Pullen."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I certainly don't think this is a partisan issue, but I appreciate your calling on me to address this question. I would like to point out to the Body that the Sponsor of the Bill did not bring into the Bill the question of libraries. The Bill has nothing to do with libraries but addresses a very severe problem in our society of, as the most recent speaker said, the sexual exploitation of children. The libraries were brought into it, because the American Civil Liberties Union has found, in all of these types of issues, a convenient and respectable ally in the Illinois Library Association, or at least its leadership, in trying to exempt librarians from anything that the American Civil Liberties Union doesn't care for. I cannot understand how any decent employee of any library in this state could support the idea that is 68  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 behind the Amendment that was attached to this Bill in Committee, because that idea is, Ladies and Gentlemen, that librarians would be involved in child pornography. We are not talking about harmful materials being given to children, as we were two years ago. We're talking about pornographic presentations of children. No self-respecting librarian in this state could possibly need the Amendment that the Judiciary Committee put on this Bill, at the request of the American Civil Liberties Union and the Illinois Library Association's leadership. And if I were a librarian, I would be very insulted that the leadership of my Association suggested to anyone that I would need an affirmative defense because I'm a librarian in a child pornography statute. The Bill is carefully drawn. It does not take in a broad scope of any kind of literature that you might think. It involves the lewd portrayal of children involved in sex acts. That is not something that is acceptable in our society; and, as the Gentleman from DeWitt indicated, making any exemptions in this Bill simply creates a market for the scum folks, and it does not do anything to protect the children. There is no harm in this statute, in this proposed statute, for librarians, and there is no possible reason why they need an exemption from it. Please, I urge you to vote 'yes' on this Amen... on this Motion, because the Amendment simply opens the door for illegitimate publishers, and it clouds the issue. And it disrespects librarians in this state, and it weakens this very, very important and needed Bill. Please vote 'aye' on the Motion to table. Thank you."

"Mr. Wolf, for the purpose of an announcement."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, for purposes of an introduction. Seated in the right gallery we have the sixth-grade class from the Maryville School in Granite City, chaperoned by 69  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 Mr. William 'Hencky'. Would you welcome them to Springfield, please?"

"For what purpose does Representative Oblinger seek recognition?"

"As long as we've taken a break, Mr. Speaker, I would like to introduce the fourth-grade class from Blessed Sacrament School and their teacher, Mrs. Harris, over here. Would they please stand? They're represented by Representative Curran and me."

"The Chair recognizes Representative Yourell on the question of Mr. Vinson's Motion, and then the Chair would like to go to Roll Call. Mr. Yourell."

"Thank you... Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, we're engaged in a lot superfluous rhetoric about House Bill 539 and Amendment #1. As you know, those of you who were here last year know that this is, again, a rerun of what happened last year where the Bill introduced by the Sponsor received only 25 votes. Now, I was distressed to hear one of the former speakers refer to any librarian, who wished to be exempted from this Act, as scum. I think that it's appropriate to recognize the fact that if a high school individual or a college graduate was employed part time in a library in the City of Chicago or anywhere in Illinois, would be liable under this Act. I would suggest also that House Bills 287 and House Bill 288 that were passed in the last Session of this General Assembly by Representative Lechowicz contain most, if not all, of the provisions that are contained presently in House Bill 539. Now, I'm prepared to vote for House Bill 539; because, as I've indicated, it's the Lechowicz's rerun Bills and certainly if they want them, they can have them. But to put librarians in to this Act and not give them affirmative defense, simply is unconcionable. I would 70  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 suggest also to you that elected public officials of libraries are the ones that are really responsible for the material that goes into libraries. There are Bills presently pending in this Session of the General Assembly that provides for that kind of activity that elected public officials, who are librarians and serve in that responsible position, must be responsible for the materials that go into libraries. I think that's where the responsibility must lie. I'm sorry that this Amendment is before us again. That was the reason that the Sponsor's Bill was defeated two years ago and received only 25 votes. House Bill 539 is contained in... 287, 288. Really no need for the Bill, but I'm going to vote for 539 but only if Amendment #1 is retained on the Bill."

"It had been the request of the Chair that we recognize one Republican and one Democrat and then go to Roll Call. I believe that Representative Pullen is seeking recognition for purpose of a point of personal privilege. Representative Pullen."

"You are correct, Mr. Speaker. Thank you for recognizing me for that purpose. I do not take the time of the House in that very often. I think this is the second time in six years that I've done that, but I do not care for the fact that the Gentleman misrepresented something that I said. And he was obviously referring to a speech that I made, even though he did not use my name. I would like the Gentleman... I would appreciate it if the Gentleman would either listen carefully or not comment on what other speakers say, if he is not actually listening, because I did not refer to librarians as scum. I would not do that. I would never do that, and I have no intention of doing that. And I'm not saying anything about the Gentleman either. What I said is that it cre... this Amendment could 71  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 create a market for publishers who are scum, the publishers of child pornography, and that certainly does not mean all publishers either. It means the publishers of child pornography. I gave respectful comments to librarians in my speech. And that's what it was really all about, because I think the Amendment disrespects librarians. I appreciate the opportunity to set the record straight, Mr. Speaker. Thank you."

"The Chair would now like to go to Roll Call on this question. Mr. Vinson, would you like to close on your Motion? Mr. Vinson."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I think it is critical that one thing be pointed out, and that is, the next Amendment, offered by myself and the Sponsor, will remove any possibility that a librarian, who was subject to this Bill, could be held in violation of this offense in the event that the librarian did not know what was in the Bill. We clearly require, in Amendment #3, that the librarian would have to knowingly disseminate the information. That is why a librarian does not need an affirmative defense. If the librarian does knowingly disseminate the speific things covered by this Bill, things like children engaged in intercourse with animals - and please look at the specific items covered by the Bill - if a librarian knowingly disseminates those specific things, then a librarian ought to be just as subject to the offense that we want to create as somebody in a commercial enterprise. Someone has suggested that librarians ought to be able to disseminate anything. I want you to think about that as a general proposition. Think about that proposition in connection, for instance, with doctors and drugs. Should a doctor be able to disseminate any drug? Quite clearly, we don't believe that. The laws of Illinois 72  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 do not reflect that. We proscribe how doctors may disseminate drugs. We regulate their dissemination of drugs. We say that, for certain purposes, certain drugs can be used. Those are things currently engaged... currently in the statutes of the State of Illinois. And we put those things in statutes because there are public purposes, and there are bad public purposes. It's a bad public purpose to let anybody stand above the law. It is a bad public purpose to let anyone, be he or she a librarian or anything else, disseminate this kind of smut, this kind of child pornography. That is the purpose for the Motion, and I would solicit your 'aye' vote on the Motion."

"The Chair would like to inform the House that we're privileged by the presence of the President of the Senate, the Honorable Phillip J. Rock. The question is on Mr. Vinson's Motion to table Amendment #1. All those in favor of Mr. Vinson's Motion to table Amendment #1 vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Representative... Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question, there are 43 'ayes' and 58 'nos'. The Motion fails. Are there any further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #3, Vinson, amends House Bill 539 as follows on page three and so forth."

"Mr. Vinson."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Amendment #3 ought have no controversy. What Amendment #3 does is to require that in order to find anybody in violation of this law, they must have knowingly disseminated the material. And I would ask for an 'aye' vote on Amendment #3."

"The Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment #3. On the question, the Chair recognizes Mr. 73  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 McCracken."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. In view of the fact that Amendment #1 is a part of the Bill now, I wonder if it might be better to not proceed with Amendment #3 for this reason. The Bill apparently, as amended, makes a distinction between library employees and the Library Board. It's my understanding the Board is the party which has the authority to put books on the shelves. The library employee would not have that authority. Now, I think that the wreckless disregard standard is very appropriate for the Library Board; but, if you take out the language proposed by Mr. Vinson in Amendment #3, then you are subjecting the Library Board to the same knowing standard that the library employee is subject to. I think there is a distinction that should be made. Let's retain the wreckless disregard for the Library Board, for the party that makes the decision as to what books will be on that shelf. Let's not throw away that part of the Bill. It's an excellent proposition. We want to retain that. But as long as the affirmative defense makes the distinction between the Board and the employee, let's keep it. Let's keep the wreckless disregard. Let's retain the knowing standard or the affirmative defense only for the employee. Thank you."

"Is there any further discussion? There being no further discussion, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #3 be adopted?'. All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', all those oppose by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question, there are 99 'ayes', 13 'no'. The Amendment is adopted. Are there further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #4, O'Connell - Barnes, amends House ..." 74  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983

"Mr. O'Connell."

"Mr. Speaker, I'd like to table Amendment #4."

"Amendment #4 is withdrawn. Are there further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #5, Vinson, amends House Bill 539 on page two and line 30 and 31 and so forth."

"Mr. Daniels."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I just want to bring your attention to one of our finest former Members and, not to exclude the Gentleman that unfortunately beat him, but to say that we certainly do miss Representative Elmer Conti, one of the former leaders in the General Assembly and welcome back, Elmer. You're always welcome in the General Assembly. Elmer Conti."

"Representative Saltsman."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'd like the privilege of introducing the students from Manual High School in Peoria. They're down here today to visit with us, and I'd like to appreciate the Rams coming and having a nice day in Springfield. Your welcome to come."

"The question is on Amendment #5 to House Bill 539. And, on that question, the Chair recognizes Mr. Vinson."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Again, I would not expect any controversy on Amendment #5. What Amendment #5 does is to tighten the Bill. Bills which create criminal offenses, laws which do that, are subject to strict standards ... constitutional scrutiny. They must clearly place on notice anybody who would be a potential violator so that the violator knows that he would be doing something in violation of the law. Amendment #5 deletes language 'or who appears to be prepubescent'. We would propose Amendment #5 so that 75  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 there is a very clear standard, so that there is no problem with notice and to insure that the Bill passes all of the constitutional safeguards and tests required. I would move for adoption of Amendment #5."

"The Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment #5. On that question, the Chair recognizes Mr. Preston."

"Would the Gentleman yield for a question?"

"The Sponsor indicates that he will yield."

"Representative Vinson, what does Amendment #5 do. You said that it takes out... Does it only delete the language 'appears to be prepubescent', or does it add some other language?"

"It simply deletes the language 'or who appears to be prepubescent'. What that does is to leave a standard of a child under the age of 16 or who should reasonably be known to be under the age of 16, which is in the Bill as it currently stands. Right now, in addition to those two classes, in the Bill as it right now stands, you have language that says 'or appears to be prepubescent'. Amendment #5 deletes that language 'or appears to be prepubescent'."

"I see. Thank you."

"Is there any further discussion? The question is, 'Shall Amendment #5 be adopted?'. All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', all those opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Are there further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #6, Vinson."

"Mr. Vinson."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, Amendment #6 is simply a technical Amendment. The word 'representation' was misprinted in the Bill, and the word that should have appeared was 76  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 'reproduction'. Amendment #6 deletes 'representation' and inserts the word 'reproduction'. It is a technical Amendment."

"All those in favor of Amendment #6 say 'aye', all those opposed say 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Are there further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #7, Vinson."

"Mr. Vinson. Mr. Vinson on Amendment #7."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, thank you. Amendment #7 deletes, on page three, line 31, 'for commercial gain or profit', and I would move for adoption of Amendment #7."

"On that question, the Chair recognizes Mr. Preston."

"Would the Gentleman yield for a question?"

"The Sponsor indicates that he will yield."

"Mr. Vinson, what is the effect of the Bill with this Amendment being adopted?"

"The effect of the Bill is to not require that the person who disseminates this do it for commercial gain or profit."

"So that if a person should loan a pamphlet or a book that he has that falls within the purview of this Act as amended by your Amendment #7, that would be in violation of the law."

"I'm sorry. I didn't hear the predicate."

"If an individual loans a book or pamphlet that he or she has to their brother or sister, with Amendment #7 being on the Bill, that would be in violation of this Act. Is that correct?"

"Yes."

"And, similarly, if a person gives a book or a pamphlet to someone, that... that would make them in violation of the law."

"I'm sorry. The... This particular Section of the Bill 77  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 deals with plays and live performances. Anybody who created a play or a live performance would be in violation of the Bill under this Section. And what this simply does is to say, if they create a play or a live performance which falls afowl those... that list of proscribed activities, then they're in violation of the law whether or not they do it... commercial gain or profit."

"I see, but just getting back to that, when you say create a play, you don't mean write a play. I assume you mean put on a performance. It's not just writing a play that has these prohibited acts in it, I assume."

"No, it's the performance aspect."

"I see. Okay."

"It's not writing the thing."

"Thank you."

"Mr. Homer."

"Will the Sponsor yield?"

"The Sponsor indicates that he will yield."

"Why then, if this Amendment passes, could not a prosecuting attorney be prosecuted who displayed these matters before a jury in attempting to obtain a conviction under this Act? In other words, I think that your Amendment may be laudible, but I think it goes much too far by taking out the commercial gain intent."

"You're suggesting that he is going to produce a play?"

"No."

"Perform a play?"

"No, I think the language here is that he may well exhibit the exhibit before the courtroom."

"I'll withdraw the Amendment."

"Amendment #7 is withdrawn. Are there further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #8, Vinson." 78  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983

"Mr. Vinson."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen, Amendment #8 my staff tells me is a semi-technical Amendment. It adds a few verbs to indicate the type of physical action which is a trigger for prose... which is a trigger provision for distribution. What that means is that we insert words 'disseminates, exhibits or makes available', and I would move for adoption of Amendment #8."

"The Gentleman moves for adoption of Amendment #8. All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', all those opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Are there further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Mr. Vinson, I would like to return to two Bills that were passed over because the Amendments were not printed. In that regard, the Chair will call House Bill 471 on page 15 of the Calendar. Mr. Clerk, has that Bill been read a second time?"

"House Bill 471 has been read a second time and..."

"Were there any Committee Amendments?"

"Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Are there any Motions?"

"No Motions filed."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2, Deuchler."

"Representative Deuchler. Representative Deuchler."

"Yes, Amendment #1 to House Bill 471 was adopted in Committee. I believe that we're talking about Amendment #2. Amendment #2 is necessary to provide a mechanism to object to the nomination petition to fill the vacancy of offices in the General Assembly. It's a technical 79  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 Amendment."

"All those in favor of the Amendment say 'aye', all those opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Are there further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 238. Mr. Clerk, has that Bill been read a second time?"

"House Bill 238 has not been read a second time."

"Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 238, a Bill for an Act to create a Small Business Division in the Department of Commerce and Community Affairs to assist small businesses in Illinois. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #1, Mautino, amends House..."

"Mr. Mautino."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, Amendment #1 was a recommendation by the municipalities that came before our Select Committee on Small Business requesting that we authorize and allow for the establishment of a Municipal Industrial Development Commissions and having those Commissions be able to exercise the powers to hold, and sell and develop real estate to promote and enhance the purpose of the... of the industrial development. And that's, basically, what the Amendment does is allow that establishment to occur, and we've embodied it in House Bill 238."

"The Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment #1. All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', all those opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Are there further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. On page 16 of the Calendar, 80  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 there appears House Bill 544, Mr. Johnson. Do you wish to call your Bill? House Bill 551, Mr. Yourell. Do you wish to call your Bill? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 551, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Boat Registration and Safety Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Mr. Yourell."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Amendment #1 to House Bill 551 is a definition Amendment...Amendment that refers to the words, 'apparently abandon', and it cites certain conditions as to when that definition applies. I move for the adoption of Amendment #1 to House Bill 551."

"All those in favor of the Amendment, say 'aye', all those opposed, 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Are there further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2, Yourell."

"Mr. Yourell."

"Yes, Amendment #2 to House Bill 551 is a technical Amendment that places the word 'six' before...after consecutive months, so that we know that it's six consecutive months before a boat can be described as apparently abandoned. Move the adoption of Amendment #2 to House Bill 551."

"Mr. Piel."

"Question of the Clerk. Has this Amendment been distributed?"

"The Amendment has not been distributed. We'll take this Bill from the record, Mr. Yourell, and when the Amendment arrives, we'll return to the Bill. House Bill 561, Mr. Panayotovich. Do you wish to call your Bill? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 561, a Bill for an Act in relation to public purchases and contracts. Second Reading of the 81  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Are there any Motions?"

"No Motions filed."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2, by Representative Ropp, amends House Bill 561 as amended."

"Mr. Ropp."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. Amendment #2 to House Bill 561 is very important, in that in order to maintain some degree of financial stability within any segment of our specific economy, we have the tremendous potential in this country to overproduce or over manufacture, either producing or manufacturing, much more than we can domestically purchase. And so what happens with those particular products that we produce in excess of our domestic needs? We export them. We have to. We have to move products that we produce. Fact is, we export nearly half of the corn that we produce, nearly half of the soybeans, between 40 and 60% of the wheat that we produce, and many other industrial products that we produce in this country we export. And we do that because we have such a kind of economy in this world that trade is all basic. It's important that we have trade between countries. It keeps the economy of both trading countries healthy. It provides job opportunities for many millions of people not only in our country, but in other countries that we are doing trading with, and it's important. It's a must, and even more so, the State of Illinois is the number one agricultural trading state in our country. We lead the nation in products that we sell to Japan or to Russia or to Mainland China or to any other country that wants our particular products that we produce. And I'm not speaking just of agricultural products, but this Amendment deals 82  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 with that. I mentioned from a...an article that was just written...not...about ten years ago we were exporting something like six billion dollars worth of products. That has grown to last year we exported U. S. 39.1 billion dollars worth of products. This is a tremendous growth. This is the kind of thing that helps to maintain a balance of payment. We've got all kinds of costs, particularly where be buy so much fuel, so much oil, that these agricultural exports help to offset that balance of payment. Amendment #2 states that in any country that we sell agricultural products around this world that this particular law does not apply, and that a certificate from the Department of Agriculture stating that we do export to that particular country. Then the buy America policy, as this Bill promotes, does not apply. Trading is all important. This Amendment is important to the stability of agriculture in the State of Illinois and to the nation. I have heard people say that, 'Well, 27 other states in our country have this same kind of buy-America policy', and that could very well be true. I'm not disputing that, but I can assure you that one of these times there will be a straw that will break the camel's back. I have with me here from the Council General of Japan, as I think all of you have received, a copy of a letter sent to the Speaker of the House stating that, as a result of the trading programs that the State of Illinois has, more than 300 Japanese trading companies and producers are represented in our country and more than ten Japanese enterprises are located in the State of Illinois, with their concentration in the Chicago area. This Amendment is all important. It must go on this Bill in order to provide stability in our agricultural economy, and I urge a favorable vote."

"Mr. O'Connell." 83  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983

"Question of the Sponsor, Mr. Speaker."

"The Sponsor, Mr. Panayotovich, indicates that he will yield."

"I...I'm sorry, Mr...the Sponsor of the Amendment."

"The Sponsor, Mr. Ropp, indicates that he will yield."

"Representative Ropp, under your Amendment, if the United States exports soybeans to say, for example, Japan, does that mean that... - and that is all that we export to that country, they do not...We do not export manufacturing items, for example, to that country, does that mean that under your Amendment that would exclude them from the buy-American provisions?"

"Restate your question, please. I'm reading the Amendment here to get clarification."

"If... Let me be more specific. If we export soybeans to Japan but Japan prohibits the importation of any manufactured items, under your Amendment, would Japan, for example, be exempted from the provisions of the buy-American Bill?"

"Yes."

"What if a country imports a minimal amount of agricultural products and imports...every other import is totally excluded. Does the same 'yes' response apply?"

"In my understanding, it would. As long as we are trading agricultural products with that particular country that chooses to export to us, then this Bill... portions of the buy-America philosophy would not apply."

"Well, Mr. Speaker, to the Bill. I think it's clearly evident that the purpose of this Amendment is to dilute the effectiveness of the proposed buy-American law for the State of Illinois. It's clear by the answers that the Sponsor of the Amendment has given us that all that would 84  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 be exported to the state...the State of Illinois or the United States of America would be the unemployment of the particular country. We have proposed the buy-American Bill to address the problems that have been plaguing the United States for the last 30 years. We are trying to address the problems of unemployment that are becoming increasingly and increasingly clear in this State of Illinois. We are losing our manufacturing jobs to countries like Japan, who have built up artificial trade barriers with the sanction of their governments. We are trying to respond to the European countries who, with the help of their governments, have built up artifical trade barriers that the sole...the sole result of these artificial barriers have been the loss forever, in many cases, of jobs right here in Illinois. Therefore, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I would ask that we oppose Amendment #2."

"Mr. Bullock."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I rise in opposition to Amendment #2 to House Bill 561. I'm not certain that the Sponsor of this Amendment is serious, for if he were serious, he would not be attempting to sandbag this Bill with this heinous Amendment. Who says that the Director of the Department of Agriculture has any better insight into import/exports? Who says that the Department of Agriculture can do a better job stimulating the Illinois economy than the Sponsors of this Bill? I don't. I certainly think that some of us understand that the Illinois economy is sagging, and it is sagging because quite often we are importing cheap slave labor. Quite often the countries who, in fact, are competing with us subsidize those very corporations that we have to compete against. The Amendment is out of order. The Amendment is inappropriate. The Sponsor doesn't want the Amendment. I 85  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 stand in opposition to the Amendment, and I am surprised that the number one farmer of this House would attempt to sandbag this measure with such an obstinate Amendment. I urge a 'no' vote."

"Mr. Terzich."

"I move the previous question."

"Mr. Terzich, that won't be necessary. The question is, 'Shall Amendment #2 be adopted?'. The Amendment has been offered by Mr. Ropp, and the Sponsor of the Bill, Mr. Panayotovich, stands in opposition to the Amendment. All those in favor of the Amendment signify by voting 'aye', all those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall... For what purpose does Mr. Ropp seek recognition?"

"Well, I just thought I might have a chance to close on the Amendment. Is that a possibility or do you..."

"Have you checked the scoreboard, Mr. Ropp?"

"Well, I just wanted to correct one statement; that if you want to assure unemployment continuation, then you want to vote 'red', and I point to the example that you see, Caterpillar. And I don't see that Caterpillar is gungho and full blast and working hard. I mean, you can produce all the tractors you want, but if you can't export them, if you can't export them, I can assure you you can't eat them."

"The Clerk shall take the record. On this question, there are 48 'ayes', 64 'nos'. The Amendment fails. Are there further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #3, Ropp, amends House..."

"Mr. Ropp."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. Amendment #3 to House Bill 561 deals with the same kind of situation, only it deals with industrial products that we 86  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 produce, and this gives the Director of the Department of Commerce and Community Affairs the authority to state that if, in fact, we are exporting any products to a foreign country, then this provision of House Bill 561 is waived. And to one of the previous speakers, if in fact he wasn't pleased with the actions of the Department of Agriculture and that Director, this does give another person that opportunity to state that, in fact...industrial exports is a must. And I can't reemphasis to you the importance of international trade, and that trade does actually provide jobs works...job opportunites for millions and millions of people in this state and in the nation. And if you are going to begin to put a barrier around the State of Illinois and this country, you will have everybody hungry. I urge a favorable vote to House...to Amendment #3."

"The Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment #3. On that question, the Chair recognizes Mr. Panayotovich."

"Will the Sponsor yield for a question?"

"The Sponsor indicates that he will yield."

"Representative Ropp, with your Amendment are you saying that if a foreign country and us buy a television, one television, or one screw driver, that this would then exempt them from the buy-America Bill?"

"If you want to be practical, you can't buy a TV that hasn't come from some other country. So, I assume the answer is yes, because you are not going to buy one... Any one you buy is going to be manufactured in some way from some country. Let me point out that I...I don't know this for sure, but I know that in General Electric, which has a company in my district, nearly every component of their electrical portion of a washer or a dryer comes from some other country, or is assembled in some other country. So, 87  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 what you are going to say is that you are going to just close down GE and nearly every other company in the State of Illinois if this Bill goes through without this Amendment on it. Now...when it comes to screw drivers, you are going to have to get more then one screw driver, but the intent is yes. If you get any industrial product that we export, then this Bill does apply."

"Thank you. Mr. Speaker, to the Bill. In opposition to this Amendment, we... In a future Amendment, we are taking a look at future...a contracts that are already existing and treaties that are already existing to make exemptions there. So, therefore, I stand in opposition to this Amendment."

"All those in favor of the Amendment signify by voting 'aye', all those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question, there are 46 'ayes', 60 'nos'. The Amendment fails. Are there further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #4, Birkinbine, amends House Bill 561..."

"Mr. Birkinbine. How many Amendments have been filed by Mr. Birkinbine? Mr. Vinson, there is an Amendment filed by Mr. Birkinbine who has been excused from attendance. Is there a Member on your side of the aisle who wishes to offer the Amendment?"

"Yeah, I'll offer it."

"Mr. Vinson on Amendment #4."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would move for the adoption of Amendment #4, which simply requires all materials and political consultants used in Illinois political campaigns to be indigenous to Illinois."

"The Gentleman moves for the adoption of 88  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 Amendment #4. On that question, the Chair recognizes Mr. O'Connell."

"Mr. Speaker, point of procedural inquiry. Doesn't... Don't the rules state that the Member offering the Amendment must be on the floor at the time that it is offered?"

"I'm not sure what they provide, Mr. O'Connell; but, if you have been following the last two Roll Calls, I wouldn't be too concerned. Representative John Dunn."

"Will the acting Sponsor yield for a question?"

"The Sponsor indicates that he will yield."

"If...if adopted, does this mean that if 'NIC PAC' wants to come in here with their nationwide mailing list that they will have to put it together in Illinois and get the stamps, and the envelopes, and the stationery, and the postage, and the helpers and the workers all right here in this state; otherwise, they have got to stay out?"

"Absolutely, but they can bring in their money."

"Well, if we can keep 'NIC PAC' out of here, this might not be a bad Amendment."

"Mr. Matijevich."

"Speaker, I... He just brought up 'NIC PAC'. I'm going to bring up 'GOP PAC' or 'GO PAC', whatever you call your PAC. I want to tell you that I got a letter from the 'GOP PAC', and I was amazed to learn that...that the GOP National has already determined that they are going to allot $20,000 to the Illinois campaign...legislative campaign next year to defeat us Democrats. Now, that is one thing, but asking John Matijevich to contribute to it is stooping pretty damn low. And I hope that the Democrats are aware what they are trying to do to us so that, when we have our fundraiser here a few weeks from now, we do a hell of a lot better than you do." 89  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983

"The Chair would like to announce to all Republicans that Mr. Daniels is in his office accepting applications for part of the $20,000, if you would just call his secretary and make an appointment. The question is the adoption of Amendment #4. All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', all those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question, there are 40 'ayes', 68 'nos'. The Amendment fails. Are there further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #5, Panayotovich, amends..."

"Mr. Panayotovich."

"Mr. Speaker, I ask leave to withdraw Amendment #5."

"Amendment #5 is withdrawn. Are there further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #6, Panayotovich."

"Mr. Panayotovich."

"Mr. Speaker, I request leave to withdraw Amendment #6."

"Amendment #6 is withdrawn. Are there further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #7, Panayotovich."

"Mr. Panayotovich."

"Yes, Sir, Mr. Speaker, Amendment #7 is an Amendment to tighten up the Bill, and we have cleared up some of the problems we've had with it. If I may go through some of them. In the Amendment we have a small contracts exemption for purchases of less than $500 that we agreed upon with the Illinois Retail Merchants Association. We have also put in there that the Attorney General will be responsible to enforce this Bill. We also have in this Amendment that it will...it will be for future contracts 90  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 only, nonexisting contracts, future contracts only. We also put in the Bill, in the Amendment here, that we are not in any conflict with any federal law or treaty, and the last provision is that we take out the State Mandates. And I move for passage."

"Mr. Mays."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Would the Gentleman yield?"

"Sponsor indicates that he will yield."

"Under what Section do you do all those things that you are talking about doing, tightening up the Bill?"

"Well, throughout the whole Amendment. The Amendment, basically, becomes the Bill."

"Is the Amendment there in order then, because the only part of new language I see on Amendment #7 indicates that this is exempt from the State Mandates Act?"

"No, we did not have anything in there, as far as the enforcement, which we added. We did not have anything in there, as far as the future contracts, and we did not have anything in the original Bill about it being in conflict with any treaties."

"Where is the future contract Section?"

"Mr. Mays, if you address the question to the Chair, regarding whether the Amendment is in order..."

"I would like to, but I...I don't know for sure. He may be in order. I don't know where that future contract Section is. If it is underlined, then fine."

"Mr. Panayotovich."

"Yes, Section 6, on page 3."

"Then I do direct the question to the Chair. Is the Amendment in order, because the new language is not underlined on that specific Section?"

"The Parliamentarian will take your question under advisement. This Bill shall be taken from the 91  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 record. We shall go to House Bill 551, Mr. Yourell. Mr. Clerk, has this Bill been read a second time?"

"The Bill has been read a second time. Floor Amendments..."

"Were there any Committee Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #1 has been adopted."

"Are there further Amendments?"

"Amendment #2, Yourell."

"Mr. Yourell."

"Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker. Amendment #2 adds the word...or the number six...or consecutive to six years, so that there can't be any problem with two months here and then skip a month and and two months there. It's six consecutive months. I move the adoption of Amendment #2 to House Bill 551."

"All those in favor, say 'aye'. All those opposed, say 'no'. The Amendment is adopted. Are there further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. We shall return to House Bill 561. Currently, the discussion is continuing, so we will take House Bill 561 out of the record and we shall go to House Bill 572, Mr. Cullerton. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 572, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Criminal Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendments #1 and 2 were adopted in Committee."

"Are there any Motions?"

"No Motions filed."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #3, Cullerton."

"Mr. Cullerton. Mr. Cullerton."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, the Amendments #1 and 2 were adopted in Committee in the reverse order, so I have...I 92  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 would...ask you to pass it. Take it out of the record."

"You are not prepared to consider the Bill at this time?"

"Right."

"The Bill shall be taken from the record. House Bill 580, Mr. Van Duyne. Do you wish to call your Bill? The Gentleman indicates that he does not wish to call his Bill. House Bill 601, a fiscal note has been requested. The Clerk informs the Chair that the fiscal note has not yet been filed, therefore, the Bill shall remain on the Order of Second Reading. House Bill 615, Mr. Homer. Do you wish to call your Bill? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 615, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Are there any Motions?"

"No Motions filed."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2, Homer, amends House Bill 615, as amended and so forth."

"Mr. Homer."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen. Amendment #2 is recommended by staff as a technical Amendment. It's simply a clean-up Amendment to make the terminology of the Bill consistent throughout."

"All those in favor of Amendment #2, say 'aye'. All those opposed, say 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Are there further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 621, Mr. Terzich. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 621, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Abortion Law. Second Reading of 93  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #1, Terzich, amends House..."

"Mr. Terzich."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker. Amendment #1 is simply a word change, changing the...the word 'aborted' to 'born' to bring it in compliance with legislative intent, and I would move for its adoption."

"All those in favor of Amendment #1, say 'aye', all those opposed, say 'no'. The Amendment is adopted. Are there further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 630, Representative Deuchler. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 630, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Unemployment Insurance Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"None."

"Third Reading. House Bill 637, Mr. Krska. Mr. Clerk...Mr. Krska, do you wish to call your Bill? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 637, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Pension Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Are there any Motions?"

"No Motions filed."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2, Krska, amends House..."

"Mr. Krska."

"Amendment 2 to House Bill 637, amends the the Chicago and Cook County Employees Article of the Pension Code to allow an active Member of the General Assembly to establish 94  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 credit for the periods during which he could have participated, but did not, by paying into the fund the contribution he would have made, plus 6% interest prior to July 1, 1984. The Amendment, in addition, permits the contribution to be transferred, along with the employers' contributions, to the Park Employees Fund for the purpose of consolidating pension credits similar to that under the General Assembly Article. The cost of this Amendment is nominal, if any, in that it applies to active Members of the General Assembly and requires payment into these funds by July 1, 1981. I'd appreciate a favorable Roll Call."

"All those in favor of the Amendment, say 'aye', all those opposed, say 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Are there further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. We shall return to House Bill 561. In the...it is the opinion of the Parliamentarian that Amendment #7 is in order. Mr. Clerk, has Amendment #7 been adopted? We are on House Bill 561."

"No, 7... Amendment 7 is not adopted."

"Mr. Panayotovich has moved for the adoption of Amendment #7; and, on that question, the Chair recognizes Mr. Mays."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I was in error even requesting that this be reviewed for properness. I forgot the rule pertaining to a new Act on underlining, but the portion that is underlined that is in addition to this Act, in addition to those things that Mr. Panayotovich noted is the exemption from the State Mandates Act for any cost incurred to local governments in trying to fulfill the requirements of this Act in bidding procedures at the local level. As Gordy Ropp pointed out in Amendment #3, I think it was, we have 95  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 firms in our given districts that manufacture components for products produced elsewhere, not domestically, and we would be placing those firms at a 15% competitive disadvantage should this Bill pass as amended. We would also then be putting the local governments in the position of subsidizing nonlocal workers, albeit Illinois workers, through extensive credit, so to speak, or 15% advantage in pricing, and I would, therefore, on both points urge Amendment #7 to not be adopted."

"Mr. Vinson."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would question the germaneness of Amendment #7. Amendment #7 changes the title of the Bill and incorporates an exemption from the State Mandates Act, contrary to the purpose of the Bill; and, for those reasons, I question its germaneness."

"While the Parliamentarian exams the Bill to respond to the inquiry, the Bill shall be taken from the record. We shall go to House Bill 652, Mr. McCracken. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 652, a Bill for an Act to add Sections to the Criminal Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #2 was adopted in Committee."

"Are there any Motions?"

"No Motions filed."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"For what purpose does Mr. Van Duyne seek recognition, at Mr. Christensen's desk?"

"Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker. Seems like someone stole my microphone. I guess maybe...did you have anything to do with that?"

"No, I didn't, but maybe some of the other Members were giving you a message." 96  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983

"Thank you. I think...I think so. Mr. Speaker, I'd like to...for purposes of an announcement, we...up in our left balcony up here, we have St. Joe's Grade School Class here, whose pastor is Father 'Thad Turpin'. The principal, Mr. 'Tom Devine', an old friend of mine, and by the way, the brother of Miss 'Stevens' here, one of our staffers, and Sister...eighth grade teacher is Sister 'Delores Cryan', and I'm very happy to see them. I hope the House will give them a pleasant welcome."

"House Bill 652 shall be placed on the Order of Third Reading. We shall return to House Bill 561. Mr. Vinson, the Amendment is germane. Mr. Ropp, do you seek recognition on Amendment #7?"

"Yes, Sir, Mr. Speaker. I'd like to ask the Sponsor a question, if he'll yield."

"Sponsor indicates that he will yield."

"With Amendment #7, can you tell me how this Amendment will deal with joint ventures, for example, with the Japanese firm coming to the United States and setting up a new automobile factory? Will this preclude any further joint ventures from other countries coming into the United States to help in providing job opportunities for Americans and Illinois citizens?"

"Mr. Panayotovich."

"Yes, the answer is no. We are talking about finished products, finished here within the United States. It becomes a buy-America product."

"Well, I thought the whole idea of the whole...of the whole Bill and the Amendment was to encourage only the purchase of American products and to not purchase products from overseas, should we be manufacturing them here in the United States."

"The main thing we are interested here is that it's 97  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 made in the U. S."

"Okay, but some of these joint venture programs, some of these products may be coming to be assembled in the United States from a foreign country. I would somewhat think that this Bill would preclude that from continuing."

"I...I think if you are looking for loopholes, we are talking about a finished product here. There might be some components coming from another country. When they are finished here within the United States, we consider it an American-made product."

"Okay, would you not consider a motor a finished product?"

"Depending what purpose the motor is used for, what kind of a motor?"

"One that just runs."

"Runs for what?"

"Well, maybe in an automobile, or maybe in a diesel tractor..."

"If it...if it's to run the automobile, it would be a part that would come here to finish the product. Then it is not a finished product...the car would be the finished product."

"Alright. Another question then. In...as I read your Amendment, it pretty much states that to get clarification or the approval that the United States is not manufacturing certain products, that you are going to have to inquire or get permission from a number of local units of government. Is this true or not?"

"I'm sorry. Would you repeat the question? I was trying to look at the Bill."

"Okay, there is...in order to determine whether or not the United States is in a position to produce a particular product, I think you are attempting to say that we will run a...the United States or Illinois or someone, will 98  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 determine by surveying certain either local units of government or local manufacturers to determine whether or not, in fact, we are or have the ability to produce certain products, which we might be importing."

"Yes, we are. We want to know if we are producing. We want to buy them from American products...American companies."

"Well, I guess my question is, I think it somewhat implies that local units of government which might mean you would have to go and really check through a number of different sources, rather than, as I had proposed, just the Director of DCCA. I'm wondering if it is more cumbersome than what you really want to do."

"I believe in the Bill it said says 'a reasonable number', and I don't think we are trying to put a burden on somebody trying to purchase something here in America. I think we just want to make sure if he can find it, he should find it here in America, and we should buy it here in America."

"Okay, and one then final question. In terms of future contracts, does this include current amended contracts? Would that be in your interpretation a new contract, an amended, ongoing contract that one country might have with another?"

"I believe we are talking only new and future contracts."

"So, in other words, an amended, ongoing, current contract would be excluded from this provision of your Bill?"

"If...excuse me. If an amended contract creates a new contract, then it would be covered."

"Okay, thank you."

"The Chair recognizes Mr. Turner for the purpose of an announcement." 99  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the Assembly. I rise on a point of personal privilege. I'd like to introduce some students from an elementary school on the great west side of the City of Chicago. we have in the Gallery today from the seventh and eighth grade schools, Farraday School on the west side of the City of Chicago, which is represented by Representative Doug Huff. The students in attendance at that school also encompasses the District in the 17th and 18th, represented by Representative Hutchins and myself, Representative Turner. Students from the Farraday School."

"The question is, 'Shall Amendment #7 be adopted?'. All those in favor of the adoption of the Amendment, signify by voting 'aye', all those opposed, by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question, there are 71 'ayes', 35 'nos'. The Amendment is adopted. Are there further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #8, Ropp, amends House Bill 561, as amended by House Amendment #7."

"Mr. Ropp."

"Yeah, thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. Amendment 8 amends the Bill as now amended by the adoption of Amendment #7, which combines the efforts of my original two Amendments, and to put...the Director of the Illinois Department of Commerce and Community Affairs would be the individual that would be certifying that a particular country, to which we were already exporting, would through certification state that this Bill would not apply to these people. And I know the Sponsor has attempted to modify his stand, but where one says that the contracts that you are now functioning with, in terms of international trade, the purchase of products, it's alright now. If you are saying 100  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 it's alright now to do that, but from here on out, it is wrong, then I say it ought to be alright to do it if you already are satisfied with it, and so this Amendment addresses that situation that says where we are exporting to a particular country that this Bill does not apply. And I urge your favorable vote."

"Mr. Panayotovich."

"Yes, will the Sponsor yield to a question?"

"The Sponsor indicates that he will yield."

"Yes, Representative Ropp, what is the difference between Amendment 8 and Amendments 2 and 3 that we have already defeated?"

"It's shorter."

"Thank you. I oppose this Amendment."

"All those in favor of the adoption of the Amendment, signify by saying 'aye', all those opposed, 'no'. The 'nos' have it. The Amendment fails. Are there further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"This Bill shall be held on the Order of Second Reading in order to permit the Sponsor to file an amended fiscal note. House Bill 654, Mr. McCracken. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 654, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Criminal Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"None."

"Third Reading. House Bill 657, Mr. McCracken. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 657, a Bill for an Act to add Sections to the Criminal Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #2 was adopted in Committee." 101  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983

"Are there any Motions?"

"No Motions filed."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Mr. Matijevich in the Chair."

"House Bill 663, Representative Reilly. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 663, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Securities Law. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Are there any Motions?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Amendments from the floor?"

"Floor Amendment #2, Tate, amends House Bill 663, as amended in Section G and so forth."

"Representative Tate on Amendment #2, Representative Tate."

"Yeah, I'm going to go with it. Amendment...hold on a second here. Amendment #2 quite simply increases from 100,000 to 500,000 the maximum amount of securities which can be offered without being required to be registered with the Secretary of State's Office. The current law allows only up to $50,000 of securities to be offered before registration is required. The bottom line with this Amendment, and the Amendment was offered in Judiciary, and I will also say the Secretary of State, I think, has done a very good job with the comprehensive package. My concern, however, is that...that what we are doing by this, the 50...this is regulation day in the Securities Law and that was created in 1953. And what we are doing by only allowing our people to go out and use... risk capital up to $100,000, is we are placing a hardship and a burden on businesses in this state. The security...the Commissioner 102  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 has written me and said if it was the will of this Body to raise the limit to $500,000, that was acceptable. I think if you are projob and probusiness and want to encourage businesses to expand in this state, that $500,000 is an acceptable level."

"Representative Tate has moved for the adoption of Amendment #2. The Gentleman from Morgan, Representative Reilly."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. On behalf of myself and my fellow chief...Co-chief Sponsors, the Speaker of the House and the Minority Leader, I would oppose this Amendment. I don't think Representative Tate is altogether wrong in what he says, but what's...where this Bill came from was from a top level securities advisory group, nonpartisan. They have agreed to take the first step of going from 50 to 100,000. I think we ought to stick with that agreed level. If that works out well, as I'm confident it will, we might well want to consider Representative Tate's suggestion at a further time, but it seems to me that to go in one fell swoop from 50 to $500,000, after this has all been worked out by the securities industry and agreed to by the Leadership on both sides of the aisle, is a mistake, so I would ask everyone to join with me and, with Representative Madigan and Representative Daniels in defeating this Amendment."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Jaffe, on Amendment 2."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, I rise in opposition to this Amendment also. As Representative Reilly has indicated, this is a Bill that has been worked out with the Secretary of State, the Bar Association and with Leaderships on both sides of the aisle. I think that if you have a situation at pesent time where you have $50,000 as a maximum and they say now 103  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 go to $100,000 under this Bill, I think that is fine, but to go from 50,000 to $500,000, which is a half a million dollars is absolutely...sheer folly, and I think we should stick with this Bill which has been worked on very long and hard by the Leadership, by the Bar Association and by the Secretary of State, and I would urge a 'no' vote on this Amendment."

"Representative Tate to close."

"I think the opponents have stated their case. This is...pretty well, but the bottom line again, for those of us that are concerned and involved with business in this state and encouraging job development and capital formation, we are all concerned and we want to make it as easy and as accessible as possible to get this job done. And $500,000, I think this would be a clear signal to the people that are looking at investing in this state that we want...we want to join with them and cooperate with them and assist them and encourage them to expand in this state, and I would encourage a favorable Roll Call."

"Representative Tate has moved for the adoption of Amendment #2. Those in favor, say 'aye'. Those opposed, say 'no', and the 'nos' have it. And the Amendment is lost. Are there further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #3, Reilly, amends House Bill 663 as amended."

"The Gentleman from Morgan, Representative Reilly, on Amendment #3."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Amendment #3 is purely technical and corrects some typographical errors in the original Bill. I would urge adoption of Amendment #3."

"Representative Reilly has moved for the adoption of Amendment #3. All in favor say 'aye', opposed, 'nay', and Amendment #3 is adopted. Further Amendments?" 104  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 666, Representative Piel. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 666, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Abortion Law. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Amendments from the floor?"

"Floor Amendment #1, Piel-O'Connell, amends House Bill 666 on page 1 an so forth."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Piel, on Amendment #1."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. After House Bill 666 passed out of Judiciary Committee, it was brought to my attention that further areas of the Act needed the exact same word changes. House Bill 666 just basically changes...puts the word 'sustained' in and takes out the three words 'more than momentary', and then two other areas of that Act needed to be changed and that is all this Amendment does. And I would ask for approval of Amendment #1."

"Representative Piel moves for the adoption of Amendment #1. All in favor say 'aye', opposed, 'nay', and Amendment #1 is adopted. Are there further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 670, Reilly. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 670, a Bill for an Act in relationship to dangerous drugs and alcoholism programs. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Are there any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?" 105  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 671, Greiman. Hold the Bill. Are you ready, Al, or should we hold? Alright, hold the Bill. House Bill 673, Vinson. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 673, a Bill for an Act concerning redemptions from mortgage foreclosure judgments and sale where the mortgage premises are abandoned. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the Floor?"

"None."

"Third Reading. Oh, just a minute. The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Cullerton."

"Floor Amendment #1, Cullerton."

"Well, that's alright, Tony."

"Gentleman from Cook, Representative Cullerton, on Amendment #1."

"This is a technical Amendment, Mr. Speaker. It clarifies on page 2, we add that the right to redeem is in favor of the State of Illinois. Believe it's accepted by the Sponsor, Mr. Vinson. I would move for the adoption of Amendment #1."

"Representative Cullerton has moved for the adoption of Amendment #1. All in favor, say 'aye', opposed, 'nay', and Amendment #1 is adopted. Are there further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Just one moment. The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Piel, for what reason do you arise?"

"I was going to ask the Clerk if it had been distributed. We don't have the Amendment."

"It has not, Cullerton. Now, it's been adopted. Third Reading. House Bill 700, Ebbesen. Read 106  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 the Bill. One moment, the Gentleman, Representative Ropp, for what reason do you rise?"

"Yeah, a point of order, Mr. Speaker. Did you just say that that Bill went to Third Reading without the Amendment even being distributed? Is that a new standard of order..."

"Don't...don't ask the Clerk. It happens that the inquiry came after the Amendment was adopted, and I did not see Representative Piel before. And I'm sorry, but that...I did not see you, Bob, I'm sorry."

"Well, I guess..."

"It's a technical Amendment...technical Amendment. Let's not quibble about a technical Amendment."

"Knowingly, that's right."

"Representative Ebbesen, we have read the Bill, now..."

"House Bill 700, a Bill for an Act relating to Northern Illinois University. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendments #1, 2, 3, and 4 were adopted in Committee."

"Are there any Motions?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments."

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Resolution (sic - Bill) 702, Preston. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 702, a Bill for an Act to amend the Liquor Control Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed respect to Amendment #1."

"Amendments from the Floor?"

"Floor Amendment #2, Preston, amends House Bill 702, as amended." 107  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983

"The Gentleman from Cook on Amendment #2, Representative Preston."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Amendment #2 just make nonsubstantive, technical changes in the Bill, and I would ask for your 'aye' vote."

"Representative Preston has moved for the adoption of Amendment #2. All in favor, say 'aye', opposed, 'nay' and Amendment #2 is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 703, Younge. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 703, a Bill for an Act in relationship to family resource centers and to provide for grants therefore. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Amendments from the Floor?"

"Floor Amendment #1, Younge, amends House Bill 703 on page 1 and so forth."

"Representative Younge, on Amendment #1."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Amendment #1 takes out any reference to the Horse Racing Act or the Agricultural Premiun Fund, and I move for the adoption of the Amendment."

"Representative Younge has moved for the adoption of Amendment #1. On that, the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Cullerton."

"Yes, Representative Younge, as I understand it, the Bill amends the Illinois Community Development Finance Corporation Act, and it would permissively authorize grants to be made for the operation of family resource centers. Now, I was...and the money would come from the Agricultural Premium Fund. I thought that was a very good idea and a 108  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 very good Bill. Now, apparently, you are changing the Bill, and you are saying that instead of the money coming from the Agricultural Premium Fund, you want it to go to...you want it to come from the General Revenue Fund. Is that correct?"

"Hello, my intention is that the reference to the Agricultural Premium Fund will be deleted. I'm going to amend a different Bill to identify federal funds from which it comes. So far as this Bill is concerned, the intent of the Amendment is to take it away from coming from the Agricultural Premium Fund."

"Are you saying then that...where would the money come from, from federal funds?"

"It's going to come from the Job...the Joint Training Partnership Act, federal funds, yes."

"Okay, thank you."

"The Gentleman from DeWitt, Representative Vinson."

"I believe the Amendment is out of order. In line 3 of the Amendment, you will see that the instructions in the Amendment are to delete line 8 on page one of the Bill and insert in lieu thereof Section 5.1. If you look at line 8 of the Bill and you delete that and you just insert Section 5.1 there, the next sentence will become, 'Premium Fund, the CDFC shall award grants.' It becomes unintelligible, and for those reasons, I believe the Amendment is out of order."

"We will be at ease while the Parliamentarian looks at the Amendment. While we are doing that, Representative Karpiel asks leave of the Body, she must soon leave and would like Representative Hallock to handle House Bill 1000 in her absence. Could she have that leave? The leave is granted, and when we get to that Bill, 109  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENEBAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 Representative Hallock will handle it. The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Rice."

"Point of privilege, Mr. Speaker."

"Yes, Sir, proceed."

"Apologize, but we have from the great City of Chicago, from the Brennan Elementary School, their principal, Mrs. 'Joanne Walsh', in the balcony. They are eighth graders. We are certainly proud. I served on their Board as a PTA representative, and I'm certainly glad to have them here today. Like to have a welcome applause."

"Welcome to the House. We are waiting for a ruling on the point of order. Amendment is in order. The Gentleman from Livingston, Representative Ewing, on Amendment #1."

"Mr. Speaker, did you rule on the..."

"Yes, the Amendment is in order."

"I just want to get up and strongly urge support for this Amendment. If that is removing these funds or...so long as we are not going to be rifling the Ag Premium Fund, I think we ought to vote for this Amendment. We want to keep that fund sacred, and I would just ask everybody to get up and vote for it."

"Representative Younge to close."

"I move for the adoption of the Amendment."

"Representative Younge moves for the adoption of Amendment #1 to House Bill 703. Those in favor, say 'aye', opposed, 'nay', and the Amendment is adopted. Are there further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 704, Younge. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 704, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Community Development Finance Corporation Act. 110  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 Second Reading of the Bill. Amendments #1 and 2 were adopted in Committee."

"Are there any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 719, Tuerk. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 719, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act relating to the composition of election of county boards in certain counties. Second reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #1, Tuerk, amends House Bill 719 on page 1 and so forth."

"The Gentleman from Peoria, Representative Tuerk."

"Mr. Speaker, Members of the House, in Elections Committee, it was encourage...I was encouraged to adopt this Amendment and I concur. What it does is merely change the word, 'city' to 'municipality'. It is more definitive, more precise. I would move for the adoption."

"Representative Tuerk moves for the adoption of Amendment #1. All in favor, say 'aye', opposed, 'nay', and Amendment #1 is adopted. Are there further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 720, O'Connell. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 720, a Bill for an Act relating to the notice of abortions performed on minors and in confidence and to amend an Act herein named. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments." 111  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983

"Amendments from the Floor?"

"Floor Amendment #1, O'Connell-Terzich, amends House Bill 720 as amended."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative O'Connell, on Amendment #1."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. Amendment #1 simply provides that when parties to whom the notice must be given pursuant to the Act have already been notified of the abortion, and those parties accompany the minor or the incompetent to the place where the abortion is to be performed, or submit a signed notarized statement indicating that they have been notified, then the elements of the Act would not apply to them."

"Representative O'Connell has moved for the adoption of Amendment #1. On that, the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Greiman."

"I'm sorry, I could not hear what you said. You are adding an additional condition, is that right...that the people have to respond somehow that they receive your notice, is that right?"

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative O'Connell."

"I think to better describe it, it is not adding a condition, but deleting a condition. The..."

"Well, maybe if you'd just explain what...briefly to me."

"That's what I was going to explain. The Bill, as proposed, provides that a parent must be notified of abortion for a...an unemancipated minor or an incompetent."

"Both parents? Both parents?"

"As it stands right now, both parents. However, if one of those or both of those parents have been notified, in lieu of duplicate notification, that the child, if she 112  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 were accompanied by the notified parent, or in lieu of that, if the signed notarized statement, indicating that they were notified, they would not have to receive notification."

"By that you mean the other parent would not have to, is that what you mean? Or...in other words, you are saying somebody could come along and that would waive notification, is that it, or does that just relate to the second parent?"

"If, for...well, in some cases, there may only be one parent."

"Well, I understand. I guess what I'm just...I'm not...here, let me do it this way. Under the Bill as it stands...it's filed, a doctor or person performing or to perform the abortion has to give notice to both parents, right?"

"That is correct."

"Okay, now this Amendment..."

"In certain...in certain cases..."

"In certain cases there is a waiver where the person has been, you know, kidnapped or something. So in this case, what the Amendment, the notice would be waived if one parent accompanied the youngster to...at the time of the abortion, is that right?"

"That is correct."

"Or if the youngster came in with some kind of an affidavit permitting...signed by a parent, permitting the abortion, is that it?"

"That is correct."

"And what does it do to the problem of the second parent, or..."

"It would not address the second parent, if there are, indeed, two parents." 113  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983

"So if a mother came in and she accompanied her daughter, arm around the daughter's shoulder, but the father was someplace else and he didn't want to come along, make a whole family outing out of it, then that's...that would not be proper notice, right?"

"If the second parent had received or had been sent actual notice 24 hours prior to that, or constructive notice 48 hours prior to that, the fact that the unnotified parent accompanied the child to the place of abortion, you are right, it would not apply."

"Why are you...is the time period waived now, if the parent goes?"

"If the parent accompanies, yes, there is no consideration of...the Act wouldn't apply."

"So then you are really making it easier for people to get abortions, is that right, Mr. O'Connell?"

"No, I don't think that's a fair..."

"I mean they don't have to spend that 24 hours thinking about it, isn't that right?"

"I don't think that's a fair characterization. We are simply waiving the requirements of notice if the parent accompanies the child. The notice is obvious."

"Well, there's certainly concern. I think people should have some...I have seen and heard Mr. O'Connell and many of his friends on the floor of the House say so often that people have to have time to reflect on these things and think about it. And I remember they wanted to have a hundred hours, and they wanted to have a week. And they wanted to have all sorts of unconstitutional things. And now here comes Mr. O'Connell and his...and his chums, and they say, well, if the parent comes in, you know, Lucy Lovelife comes in there and she says, 'Oh, give the kid an abortion, he wants to waive that period completely. 114  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 I...I'm shocked. I'm speechless. I can't believe this. You are encouraging abortion, Mr. O'Connell. My God, I can't believe it."

"Representative O'Connell has moved for the adoption of Amendment #1. All in favor, say 'aye', opposed, 'nay', and Amendment #1 is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 723, Levin. Read the Bill. Levin."

"House Bill 723, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Public Aid Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Has been read a second time previously, and Amendment #1 was adopted."

"Are there any further Amendments?"

"No Motions filed and no further Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 726, Brummer. Is Brummer here? Gentleman from Cook, Representative Cullerton."

"Mr. Speaker, on House Bill 723...alright, fine, thank you."

"Alright. Representative Brummer is not here. Take it out of the record. House Bill 731, Jaffe. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 731, a Bill for an Act to amend the Election Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Amendments from the Floor?"

"None."

"Third Reading. Representative Olson, for what purpose do you rise?"

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. On 731, we have asked for a fiscal note. Has that been filed?" 115  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983

"A fiscal note, I understand, has been filed. Is that correct, Mr. Clerk?"

"Fiscal note has been filed."

"Third Reading. House Bill 738, Barnes. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 738, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act in relationship to criminal identificaton and investigation. Second Reading of the Bill."

"Take House Bill 33...738 out of the record. House Bill 741, are you ready? Read the Bill."

"House Bill 741, a Bill for an Act in relationship to disclosure of toxic substances to employees. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 and 2 were adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed in respect to Amendments #1 or 2."

"Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #3, McPike, amends House Bill 741 on page 1 and so forth."

"On Amendment #3, the Majority Leader, Representative McPike."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Amendment #3 becomes the Bill. There have been a series of negotiations with the Chamber of Commerce, the Manufacturers' Association, Chemical Industries Council and Organized Labor tried put together this Amendment. I think it's just about in its final form. It becomes the Bill, and I would prefer to discuss it on Third Reading, so I would move the adoption of Amendment #3."

"Representative McPike has moved for the adoption of Amendment #3. On that, Representative Woodyard."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Representative McPike, I do 116  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 not have the Amendment here in front of me, but does this make primarily just technical changes, rather than the context of the Bill? The legislative intent of the Bill is, basically, the workers right to know. Is that not correct, and we are not changing that to a consumer oriented type of thing are we?"

"Representative McPike."

"That is correct, although I'm not trying to say that Amendment #3 makes no changes. As I said, a series of negotiations have gone on. There are probably 30 some changes between Amendment #3 and the Amendment adopted in Committee. Some are technical, some are substantive, but it does not change the scope of the Bill."

"Does this do anything...where are...is agriculture or farmers in this thing now?"

"Where are farmers?"

"Yeah, in..."

"Well, we have not exempted any employer from the Bill. The exemption we put into the Bill was for any employer with 5 or less full time or 20 or less part time employees."

"And that is still there?"

"That's correct."

"The Gentleman from DeWitt, Representative Vinson."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, I wonder if the Gentleman might take this out of the record for just one second?"

"That is agreeable. We'll stand at ease for one second while Vinson crosses the aisle. Take it out, no. Take it out...we'll come back to this Bill. House Bill 753, Tuerk. Read the Bill. Well, let's return back to 741. Everything seems to be alright. Do you want to be heard now, Representative Vinson, or...no? Alright. 117  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 Representative McPike has moved for the adoption of Amendment #3. All in favor, say 'aye', opposed, 'nay', and Amendment #3 is adopted. Are there further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #4, McPike, amends House Bill 741 and so forth."

"Representative McPike on Amendment #4."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Amendment #4 is the list of toxic substances that we have agreed to. It's approximately 800 in length. I would move for the adoption of the Amendment."

"Representative McPike has moved for the adoption of Amendment #4. All in favor, say 'aye'. Opposed, 'nay', and Amendment #4 is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #5, McPike, amends House Bill 741 as amended."

"That Amendment has not been distributed, to my knowledge. Is that correct? That...Mr. Speaker, that is my Amendment, and I would prefer to move this to Third Reading at this time."

"Are there any other Amendments? Third Reading. Withdrew 5, is that right, Jim? You withdrew 5?"

"That has not been printed or distributed, so I would withdraw it at this time."

"5 is withdrawn. Are there further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 753, read the Bill."

"House Bill 753, a Bill for an Act to amend the Revenue Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions filed?" 118  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983

"No Motions filed respect to Amendment #1."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. We'll go back to 738. Is that correct, Representative Barnes? Back to 738?"

"House Bill 738, a Bill for an Act to amend and Act to relationship to criminal identification and investigation. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #1, Barnes, amends House Bill 738 on page 1 and so forth."

"Now it goes out again. You want it out of the record?"

"Mr. Speaker, Representative Winchester had wanted to do something with this Bill, and so I'm taking it out of the record until I discuss it with him."

"Alright, we'll keep it out of the record then. House Bill 765, Oblinger. Read the Bill. Representative Oblinger."

"There is an Amendment #2. Has it been distributed?"

"Just one moment. Has Amendment #2 on 765 been distributed? It's not? It has not been distributed, so we'll hold this. House Bill 770, we'll have leave to return to that. The Amendment has not been distributed on...one moment. The Gentleman from Peoria, Representative Tuerk, for what purpose do you rise?"

"I have an inquiry of the Chair. Did...did you move 753 to Third?"

"Sure did."

"Thank you."

"770, leave to return to that. There is an Amendment being presented that has not been distributed 119  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 yet. House Bill 774, Levin. Read the Bill. No, out of the record. 802, Yourell. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 802, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Highway Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the Floor?"

"None."

"Third Reading. House Bill 811, Nelson. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 801...811, a Bill for an Act relating to restrictions on solar energy use. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"One moment. The Lady from DuPage, Representative Nelson."

"Mr. Speaker, I'm having a second Amendment drafted. Could we take it out of the record today, please?"

"Alright. 817, Hawkinson, are you ready? Read the Bill."

"House Bill 817, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Vehicle Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Amendments from the floor?"

"Floor Amendment #1, Hawkinson, amends House Bill 817 on page 1 and so forth."

"The Gentleman from Knox, Representative Hawkinson, on Amendment #1."

"Mr. Speaker, I'd like to withdraw Amendment #1."

"Leave to withdraw Amendment #1. Leave. Any further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2, Hawkinson, amends House Bill 817."

"Representative Hawkinson, on Amendment #2."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This Amendment was suggested 120  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 in Committee by Representative Cullerton. I accept the Amendment. All it does is leave the responsibility with the State's Attorney's for enforcing non reporting and deletes the responsibility of the Attorney General. It's an agreed Amendment, and I would urge its adoption."

"Representative Hawkinson has moved for the adoption of Amendment #2. All in favor, say 'aye', opposed 'nay', and Amendment #2 is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 821, Terzich. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 821, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act to create sanitary districts and to remove obstructions from the Des Plains and Illinois Rivers. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments." speaker Matijevich: "Amendments from the Floor?"

"None."

"Third Reading. The Gentleman from Marion, Representative Friedrich, for what purpose do you rise?"

"Mr. Speaker, I'd like to interrupt the proceedings long enough to introduce the grade school, Fenton Grade School and St. Mary's Grade School, from Trenton, Illinois, from my district. I wish you would give them a warm welcome."

"Welcome to the House. House Bill 825, Ropp. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 825, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act in relationship to grade A milk, and grade A milk products. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Amendments from the Floor." 121  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983

"Floor...Floor Amendment #2, Ropp, amends House Bill 825 as amended."

"Representative Ropp on Amendment #2."

"Mr. Speaker, there was a Motion to Table Amendment #1 because it is included in...in Amendment #2."

"Alright, let's return...the Motion to Table Amendment #1. All in favor, say 'aye', opposed, 'nay', and Amendment #1 is tabled. Amendment #2 by Gordon Ropp."

"Amendment #2, Mr. Speaker, makes some slight reductions in the figures that are included in the Bill, and it also includes the effective date, which was in Amendment #1. And I urge favorable adoption."

"Representative Ropp has moved for the adoption of Amendment #2. All in favor, say 'aye', opposed, 'nay', and Amendment #2 is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 839, Representative Hensel. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 839, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act to authorize county boards and various probation departments to develop programs of public service employment. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Amendments from the Floor?"

"Motion...Motion to Table. I move to table Amendment #1 to House Bill 839. Representative Hensel."

"Representative Hensel has moved to table Committee Amendment #1. On that, all in favor, say 'aye', opposed, 'nay'. Committee Amendment #1 is tabled. Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2, Hawkinson-Hensel, amends House Bill 839 as amended." 122  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983

"The Gentleman from Knox, Representative Hawkinson, on Amendment #2."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Amendment #2 does what Amendment #1 does, and also it was suggested in Committee that perhaps there was an oversight in the original Bill, which includes 'supervision and probation', but I believe, inadvertently, left out 'conditional discharge', which is a form of probation. This Amendment simply adds in 'conditional discharge' along with 'supervision and probation', and I would urge its adoption."

"It's been moved for the adoption of Amendment #2. All in favor, say 'aye', opposed, 'nay', and Amendment #2 is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 840, Steczo. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 840, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Emergency Services and Disaster Agency Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed respect to Amendment #1."

"Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 843, Stuffle...no, hold the Bill. House Bill 844, Gene Hoffman. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 844, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Could we just hold this for one moment? Clarence Neff would like to make an introduction."

"Yes, we have with us today Robert McClusky, who served six 123  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 terms in the House and has also served as a Congressman in Washington, and I'd like to introduce Bob to many of you that, some of the older folks, us older folks remember Bob. Some of you young folks don't remember him, but I would like to introduce him to you and ask Bob to say a few words. He spent many years here. He served on the Leadership while he was down here, also, in Springfield."

"Thank you, Clarence. Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, it's really a privilege to be back here after a number of years. I...from what I read in the press and hear through the news media, things haven't changed much, but I still feel that this is one of the greatest Legislative Bodies in the country, and those of you who are privileged to serve should be very grateful to your constituents. I know you are doing the best job you can for those you represent. I know you have a busy, busy schedule...take no more of your time, but I thank you very much for this opportunity."

"We revert back to 844. Were there any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #1, Hoffman, amends House Bill 844 on page 1 and so forth."

"The Gentleman from DuPage, Representative Hoffman."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Amendment #1 to House Bill 844, which is a Bill to increase the unit district taxation for transportation from 12¢ to 18¢, Amendment #1 phases this increase in over a three year period of time, for an increase of 2...2¢ each year, and I would move for the adoption of the Amendment."

"Representative Hoffman has moved for the adoption of Amendment #1. All in favor, say 'aye', opposed, 'nay', and Amendment #1 is adopted. Further 124  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 845, Hoffman. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 845, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #1, Hoffman, amends House Bill 845 on page 1 and so forth."

"The Gentleman from DuPage, Representative Hoffman."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 845 increases the taxation for unit district for operation, billing and maintenance purposes 9¢. What Amendment #1 does is phase that 9¢ in over a three year period of time, and I would move for the adoption of Amendment #1."

"Representative Hoffman moves for the adoption of Amendment #1. All in favor, say 'aye', opposed, 'nay', and Amendment #1 is adopted. Are there any floor...further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 848, Topinka. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 848, a Bill for an Act to amend the Nonprofit Health Care Services Plan Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Floor Amendments?"

"None."

"Third Reading. House Bill 849. Is Representative Dunn on the floor? Representative Dunn, do you want 849 called? Read the Bill." 125  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983

"House Bill 849, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed in respect to Amendment #1."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 854, Pierce. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 854, a Bill for an Act in relationship to funeral directors and embalmers. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 and 2 were adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed in respect to Amendments #1 or 2."

"Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #3, McPike, amends House Bill 854 on page 3 and so forth."

"Representative McPike on Amendment #3."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Amendment #3 would provide that...the individual who has studied for 25 years under a licensed funeral home director could qualify in the provisions of this Act. I would move for the adoption of Amendment #3."

"Representative McPike has moved for the adoption of Amendment #3. All in favor, say 'aye', opposed, 'nay', and Amendment #3 is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 856, Didrickson. Read the Bill ."

"House Bill 856, a Bill for an Act to amend the Election Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments." 126  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983

"Amendments from the Floor?"

"None."

"Third Reading. House Bill 863, Cowlishaw. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 863, a Bill for an Act in relationship to fingerprinting of minors for identification purposes. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Take it out of the record. House Bill 864, Representative Keane is not here. Is any of the others? Oh, here he is. I thought...somebody told me you were gone. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 864, a Bill for an Act in relationship to public utilities taxes. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"One moment. Representative LeFlore, for what purpose do you rise?"

"Mr. Speaker, I would like to take this privilege in recognizing the Young School from the 15th District and their teachers, Ken and Jacqueline Anderson. I would like for you to give them an applause. We welcome...welcome to Springfield."

"Welcome. All right. Were there any Motions filed on Amend... Committee Amendment #1?"

"No Motions filed."

"Amendments from the floor."

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 872. Bowman. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 872, a Bill for an Act in relationship to certain organizations which discriminate. Second 127  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Committee Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2, Johnson - Bowman, amends House Bill 872 as amended."

"The Gentleman from Champ... did you say Johnson? The Gentleman from Champaign, Representative Johnson on Amendment #2. I couldn't believe it when he said, 'Johnson - Bowman'. That's why I had to ask."

"I can't believe it either. I better look at the Amendment again. This Amendment is an agreed Amendment, between Representative Bowman and myself, addresses itself to some of the concerns I raised in Committee and that Representative Brummer raised in Committee with respect to unintended over coverage of this Act. If you want details, I'll be glad to ask it, but it's an Amendment that's been agreed by the Sponsor, and the Department of Human Rights and by myself."

"Representative Johnson has moved for the adoption of Amendment #2. All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay', and Amendment #2 is adopted. Are there further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 881. Is Representative Breslin on the floor anywhere? Is Representative Breslin on the floor? No? Okay. Out of the record. House Bill 882. Marzuki. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 882, a Bill for an Act to amend the Highway Advertising Control Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there Floor Amendments?" 128  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983

"Floor Amendment #1, Marzuki, amends House Bill 882 on page two and so forth."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Mar... Marzuki on Amendment #1."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentleman of the House. The Amendment that I'm proposing merely takes care of signs that may already have been in place and gives the opportunity for those to be amortized over a period of time. And I move... I move its adoption."

"One moment. Representative Marzuki has moved for the adoption of Amendment #1. All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay', and Amendment #1... I'm sorry. The Gentleman from Champaign, Representative Johnson."

"Thank you. I wonder if the Sponsor could tell us briefly what the Bill does, and how this changes the Bill, cause the Amendment's bigger than what the Bill was. Could you tell me that, Representative Marzuki?"

"The Bill merely allows municipalities to issue permits and have the signs come under their jurisdiction, where a state highway passes through their town. It, in other words, it is a local control."

"Okay. Right. Now what does the Amendment do?"

"The Amendment is one that was suggested by the Municipal League which allows the amor... the... any existing signs, which would be fairly remote, to be amortized over a period of time if they have to remove it."

"Well, can you explain what that means?"

"It means that they would be permitted to keep that sign up for a period of time until the sign was... it's... it's life had been used up, so to speak."

"Are you satisfied..."

"With that clear explanation, I re... have no more comments." 129  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983

"The Gentleman..."

"It's simply a grandfather clause."

"The Gentleman from DuPage, Representative Barger."

"I can probably explain this to you because what we did was take the Bill that I had presented and put it under a Democrat name so it would pass. The law is..."

"You're getting smart."

"It works... Anyway, the law is as it is presently written says that the State Department of Transportation for a $5.00 fee will issue a permit for a person to put up a sign. Mr. Marzuki's Bill said that the local communities should have the option of review to determine whether or not the sign is in conformance with their planning jurisdiction and their zoning. This Amendment states that there will be a amortization period, because the state law, as it is now written, allows a person to keep their sign up forever for that $5.00 fi... fee. So all this does is require that after a certain length of time, the municipalities will be able to control signs that are presently existing. I hope that clarifies it for you, Mr. Johnson."

"Representative Marzuki has moved for the adoption of Amendment #1. All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay', and Amendment #1 is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Return to the... leave to return to House Bill 881, Breslin. Oh, I'm... wait. You want to take that out for one moment, Peg? House Bill 884, Curran. No, let's go back to 881. We now have you all cleared, Peg. Read the Bill, 881."

"House Bill 881, a Bill for an Act to amend the Unemployment Insurance Act. Second Reading of the Bill." 130  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 No Committee Amendments."

"Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #1, Breslin, amends House Bill 881 on page one and so forth."

"The Lady from LaSalle, Representative Breslin, on Amendment #1."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen, Amendment #1 makes this Bill apply to nonprofit organizations as well as local governments. I request favorable support."

"Representative Breslin... Breslin moves the adoption of Amendment #1. All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay'. Amendment #1 is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 886 (sic - 884). Curran. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 884, a Bill for an Act to establish pilot projects for the weatherization of residential housing. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions?"

"No Motions filed with respect to Amendment #1."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Representative Jaffe, there's been a fiscal note requested on yours. You want to hold it? Oh, it has been filed. House Bill 927. Jaffe. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 927, a Bill for an Act to amend the Election Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No... no Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"Floor Amendment #1, Cullerton, amends House Bill 131  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 927 on page seven and so forth."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Cullerton, on Amendment #1."

"Yes, this is just..."

"One moment, the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Piel."

"Question of the Clerk. Has this Amendment been distributed?"

"Has this been distributed? It has not been distributed. Let's hold this for a while. We'll... House Bill 928. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 928, a Bill for an Act in relationship to insurance claims. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"Floor Amendment #1, Jaffe, amends House Bill 928 on page..."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Jaffe, on Amendment #1."

"Mr. Speaker, Amendment #1 merely answers some of the questions that were raised in Committee. They were concerned about unnecessary treatment or worthless or unnecessary treatment. Basically, what Amendment #1 does is says that, 'This Section shall apply to procedures or treatments which are accepted to be within their professional discretion of the physician'. So I think that that answers all the questions that were raised in... in Committee, and I would move its adoption."

"Representative Jaffe's moved for the adoption of Amendment #1. All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay', and Amendment #1 is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"No further Amendments. There has been a 132  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 fiscal note requested, and it has not been filed. Representative Jaffe, for what purpose do you rise?"

"Well, Mr. Speaker, could we hold this. I... I understand the fiscal note will be here within the next fifteen minutes or so."

"All right. We'll return to it. The Bill is held on Second Reading until the Fiscal Note Act is com... complied with. House Bill 929. Hoffman. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 929, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Motion filed?"

"No Motions filed in respect to Amendment #1."

"Amendments on the floor?"

"Floor Amendment #2, Hoffman, amends House Bill 929 as amended."

"Representative Hoffman on Amendment #2."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'm sorry I didn't pick up quickly enough on this. I would move to table Amendment #1."

"Representative Hoffman asks leave to withdraw Amendment #2. Leave is granted."

"No. No. No. I want to table Committee Amendment #1."

"Oh. Oh. Representative Hoffman moves to table Committee Amendment #1. All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay'. The 'ayes' have it, and Committee Amendment #1 is tabled. Now the Floor Amendment #2. Representative Hoffman moves to adopt Floor Amendment #2. All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay'. Representative Cullerton."

"Will the Sponsor yield."

"He indicates he will."

"Representative Hoffman, Amendment #2 would become the Bill. Is that correct?" 133  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983

"Yes."

"And it calls for a comparison of the highest salary of the previous district and the lesser salaries of the new district. Is that correct?"

"That's correct."

"Now, how many of those salaries do you look at to... to arrive at this figure?"

"You compare the... it's the beginning salary. It's the comparison of the beginning salary, the difference between the beginning salary of the highest paying district and the beginning salary of the lower paying district."

"Okay. And the difference is supplemental state aid?"

"That's correct."

"Okay. Thank you."

"Representative Stuffle on Amendment #2."

"Yes, will the Sponsor yield to a question..."

"He indicates he will."

"We've gone over this, you and I and others, several times. I still have some difficulty reading and understanding your Amendment and how it works in terms of the calculations. If you could walk us through that, I think that's what Representative Cullerton was getting at. When we make the calculations as to the salaries in the old district and the salaries in the new district, we put a multiplier on that times the number of teachers involved and the difference in the salaries to come up with this differential figure, or how does that work?"

"The intention of the... of the Amendment is to provide a supplemental... supplemental state aid to school districts, after they have been consolidated, so that the transition from the dual district to a unit district will be easier for them to make, because we will take the salaries of the people in the... those districts that have 134  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 a lower salary schedule, and we place them on the... we have to place them on a higher salary schedule. We will pick up the difference. Now, it's my understanding that this particular Amendment would pick up the difference between the actual salary paid to each teacher in the previously existing districts and the salary of each teacher... that same teacher in the new district. So you're actually picking up the difference for each of the individuals and, therefore, there is no need for a multiplier."

"Representative Stuffle."

"Well, my problem is I can see what the intention is but the way I read this, it says, 'The supplementary state aid reimbursements payable to the new district equal to the difference between the highest salary of any of the previously existing district's salary schedules'. Now, that's a fixed amount of money that applies to a specific rung on that schedule and the lesser salaries, plural, paid teachers with commensurate training and experience, I assume the same level on the schedule, that otherwise would be there on the other previously existing district's salary schedule. It doesn't seem to me that that language translates into what you want it to do, which is offset the difference in each of the salaries, not just in the difference in the rank salary, which is one figure."

"All right. Mr. Speaker. Let's take this out of the record and see if we can clarify this."

"Goes out of the record. House Bill 934. Yourell. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 934, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act in relationship to debts to the state. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the floor?" 135  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983

"None."

"Third Reading. House Bill 940, Satterthwaite. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 940, a Bill for an Act to amend the Paternity Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Motion filed?"

"No Motions filed in respect to Amendment #1."

"Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2, Satterthwaite, amends House Bill 940 on page one and so forth."

"Representative Satterthwaite on Amendment #2."

"Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, Amendment #2 was suggested after conversations with the Department of Public Aid. They felt that some of the language in the original Bill was superfluous and perhaps confusing. This Amendment deletes that, but keeps the main purpose of the Bill intact, and I ask for your approval of Amendment #2."

"Representative Satterthwaite moves for the adoption of Amendment #2. All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay', and Amendment #2 is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 941. Tate. Read the Bill. Out of the... out of the record. Oh. Well, Tate's coming back. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 941, a Bill for an Act to amend the Mobile Home Local Services Tax Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"None."

"Third Reading. House Bill 942. Ronan. Read the Bill." 136  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983

"House Bill 942..."

"Out of the record. Out of the record. House Bill 948. Giglio. Read the... read the Bill."

"House Bill 948, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act in relationship to raffles and casino nights. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendments #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Motion filed?"

"No Motions filed in respect to Amendment #1."

"Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 959. Ropp. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 959, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Vehicle Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Motion filed?"

"No Motions filed in respect to Amendment #1."

"Floor... Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 961. Cullerton. Out of the record. House Bill 963. Stuffle. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 963, a Bill for an Act to amend the Narcotics Profit Forfeiture Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Floor Amendments?"

"None."

"Third Reading. House Bill 964. Giorgi. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 964, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act in relationship to the Supreme Court. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments." 137  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983

"Amendments from the floor?"

"None."

"Third Reading. House Bill 972. Rea. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 972, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Highway Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Motion filed?"

"No Motions filed in respect to Amendment #1."

"Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 995. Bonan. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 995, a Bill for an Act to amend the Open Space Lands Acquisition Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"Floor Amendment #1, Ronan, amends House Bill 995 on page one and so forth."

"Representative Ronan on Amendment #1."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Amendment #1 is a technical Amendment. There was a mistake in the original Bill. All it says is that, 'deletes #5 and inserts #4'."

"Representative Ronan moves for the adoption of Amendment #1. All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay'. Amendment #1 is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1000. Keane. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 1000, a Bill for an Act to revise the law in relationship to counties. It's been read a second time previously. No Committee Amendments."

"Has the fiscal note been filed?" 138  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983

"The fiscal note has been filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1001. Bullock. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 1001, a Bill for an Act to create the Office of Job Protection. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"None."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1007. Younge. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 1007, a Bill for an Act concerning an earnings tax. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"Floor Amendment #1, Younge, amends House Bill 1007 on page one and so forth."

"Representative Younge on Amendment #1."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Amendment #1 would change this earnings tax Bill to permit municipalities over 500 to by referendum adopt an earnings tax. And it also amends the Bill to make sure that anyone who draws income in that municipality would be subject to the earnings tax Bill. I move for the adoption of the Amendment."

"Representative Younge has moved for the adoption of Amendment #1. All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay', and Amendment #1 is adopted. Are there further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"There has been a fiscal note requested as amended, and the Bill will stay on Second until that is complied with. House Bill 1009. Younge. Read the Bill." 139  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983

"House Bill 1009, a Bill for an Act relating to investments. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Any Motion filed?"

"No Motions filed in respect to Amendment #1."

"Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1023. Hannig. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 1023, a Bill for an Act concerning elected officials. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was tabled in Committee. Amendment #2 was adopted in Committee."

"Any Motion on... any Motion filed?"

"No Motions filed in respect to Amendment #2."

"Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #3, Hannig, amends House Bill 1023 as amended."

"Representative Hannig on Amendment #3."

"Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. Amendment #3 simply changes the definition 'reasonable time' to 'fourty-eight hours notice'."

"One moment, the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Piel, for what purpose do you rise?"

"Question to the Clerk. Has this Amendment been distributed?"

"It has not been distributed. We'll hold this Bill. House Bill 1026. Hastert. The Clerk will read the Bill."

"House Bill 1026, a Bill for an Act concerning elected... pardon me. House Bill 1026, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Pension Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee." 140  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983

"Motion filed?"

"No Motions filed in respect to Amendment #1."

"Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Pension impact notice been filed? Third Reading. House Bill 1036. Rea. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 1036, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Purchasing Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"Floor Amendment #1, Rea - Stuffle, amends House Bill 1036 and so forth."

"Representative Rea on Amendment #1."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. All that Amendment #1 does is to eliminate contracts on the construction work, and this was an Amendment that I had agreed to in Committee."

"The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of Amendment #1. All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay', and Amendment #1 is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1050. Yourell. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 1050, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Pension Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed in respect to Amendment #1."

"Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Representative Giglio, for what purpose do you seek recognition? You're just fooling around, right? House Bill 1054. Christensen. Is 141  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 Representative Christensen in the chambers? Representative Barger, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"

"Matter of personal privilege, please."

"Proceed."

"The students from Glenbard West High School are in the balcony up here. They are from Mrs. Wojcik's and my districts. Like you to meet them. Would you all stand up please?"

"Welcome... welcome to the House. House Bill 1056. Stuffle. You ready to go? Read the Bill."

"House Bill 1056, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Pension Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Motion filed?"

"No Motions filed in respect to Amendment #1."

"Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2, Stuffle - Wolf - Greiman, amends House Bill 1056 as amended."

"Representative Stuffle on Floor Amendment 1... or 2."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, Amendment 2 is suggested by the... the real estate industry. It has my approval and the approval of the other supporters of the Bill. What it does is provide that in the program within House Bill 1056, which is to assist new construction loans, that it will be possible to provide that where a person owning an existing home wishes to dispose of it and participate in this program of new construction that they could do so, and I would ask for adoption of Amendment #2.

"Representative Stof... Stuffle has moved for the adoption of Amendment #2. All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay', and Amendment #2 is adopted. Further Amendments?" 142  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983

"No further Amendments."

"No further Amendments. A pension impact has been filed. Third Reading. House Bill 1065. Van Duyne. Is Representative Van Duyne here? I don't see him here. House Bill 1067. Steczo. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 1067, a Bill for an Act to amend the Revenue Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed in respect to Amendment #1."

"Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2, Steczo, amends House Bill 1067 on page one and so forth."

"Representative Steczo on Floor Amendment #2."

"Mr. Speaker, with leave of the House, I'd ask leave to have Amendment #1 tabled in order to adopt Amendment #2. There's a definition problem with #1."

"The Gentleman... Gentleman have leave to table Amendment... Committee Amendment #1? Leave... just one moment. The Gentleman from DeWitt, Representative Vinson."

"I think he might be advised to explain what he's doing on this first."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, Amendment #1 is an attempt to narrow the definition of what we're attempting to do with House Bill 1067. At the request of the House Revenue Committee, we have drafted Amendment #2, which better clarifies what we're attempting to do, and at the request of the Governor's Office exempts the provisions from the State Mandates Act. But Amendment #1 has to be tabled in order to adopt Amendment #2 and have that in its proper form."

"Does Gentleman... the Gentleman have leave 143  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 to table Amendment #1? Leave is granted. Committee Amendment #1 is tabled. Representative Steczo on Floor Amendment #2."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. What Amendment #2 does is to further narrow the definition of the twenty acres that would be tax exempt in these park district areas to an aggregate of twenty acres per park district. That definition was not quite so clear, under Amendment #1, and in addition to that, at the request of the Revenue Committee, Amendment #2 indicates that the... this property has to be used exclusively for open... as open space for recreational purposes. And thirdly, at the request of the Governor's Office, there is an exemption from the State Mandates Act, and I would move for the adoption of Amendment #2."

"Representative Steczo's moved for the adoption of Amendment #2. All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay', and Amendment #2 is adopted. Further Floor Amendments?"

"No... no further Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1078. O'Connell. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 1078, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Floor Amendments?"

"None."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1079. O'Connell. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 1079, a Bill for an Act in relationship to powers and duties of State Board of Pharmacy. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Floor Amendments?" 144  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983

"None."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1081, O'Connell."

"House Bill 1081, a Bill..."

"One... one moment, the Gentleman from Cook, Representative O'Connell."

"Mr. Speaker, may I hold House Bill 1081 for an Amendment being offered by Representative Cullerton on... next week."

"You sure may. House Bill 1086. Is Representative Pierce on the floor? Representative Pierce here? I don't see him. We'll hold 1086. House Bill 1092. Representative Braun. Is Representative Braun on the floor? Read the Bill."

"House Bill 1092, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code."

"We'll get back to it next."

"Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"None."

"Third Reading. Back... back to House Bill 1086. Pierce is here. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 1086, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Food, Drug and Cosmetic Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"None."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1102. Levin. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 1102, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act to establish a Military and Naval Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the floor?" 145  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983

"None."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1104. Levin. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 1104, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Public Aid Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #1, Bowman, amends House Bill 1104 on page one and so forth."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Levin on... Representative Bowman, on Amendment #1."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This particular Amendment simply puts a couple definitions into the statutes. One of an independent... center for independent living which is defined as the service center for independent living, as defined by the Federal Rehab Act of 1973. And the second is, it defines the Case Coordination Unit which means a unit established by the Department of Aging as an administrative subdivision or not-for-profit or public agency under contract to the Department which is organized to provide information, referral, and case management services. Basically, this grandfather is in many not-for-profit organizations, including county public health departments downstate that provide... now provide case management and information referral of programs. And I move for the adoption of Amendment #1."

"Representative Bowman has moved for the adoption of Amendment #1. On that, the Gentleman from Morgan, Representative Reilly."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I reluctantly arise to oppose the Gentleman's Motion. In the form of a... of a Bill, this was defeated 146  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 twice already in the Human Services Committee. I think twice is probably enough. The problem here, I mean I absolutely agree with Representative Bowman in terms of the goal. In fact, I was the Sponsor last year along with some other Members of the House, on both sides of the aisle, the Bill that is put in place the process for applying for the in-home health... in-home health care waiver from the Federal Government. The problem is that this Amendment, if it became law, would make it very difficult if not impossible to get the waiver approved. Currently, the departments that are involved are in Washington trying to negotiate the terms of that waiver. We thought we had it approved or all but approved a couple of months ago. Then the department in Washington has been more difficult than expected. Part of what this does is specify that vendors, that is the people that actually provide the in-home services, can also do case management. Now, personally, I have no problem with that, but there is a great deal of evidence that the federal people, who have to approve the waiver have a great deal of problem with that. It is my hope that out of the negotiation can come some reasonable accommodation, whereby at least some of those providers could indeed be cen... case management coordinators. But if that doesn't prove possible, we just can't have on the books the statute that says they are, when we're trying to negotiate with the Federal Government, a provision which may require that they not be. And, no matter what the statute says, if we don't get the waiver, we don't get the cash, and we can't carry on the program. It's just that simple. So while I do not disagree necessarily with the goal that Representative Bowman has in mind, this in fact is a bad Amendment that if it went on and ultimately became law would defeat its own purpose. I repeat, we defeated 147  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 this twice in Committee. I think that's a sufficient hearing. I think we should defeat this Amendment and go on with the business of the House."

"The Lady from Cook, Representative Braun."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I reluctantly rise in opposition to this Amendment. Representative Bowman and I have discussed this and gone around with this issue many times before in Committee. The fact is the Department has a waiver before the Federal Government. This I think is premature at least, and I don't think it will provide the level... I think it will interfere with the provision of the level of services by this Department to the aging in our state. And I just think it's an unfortunate Amendment, and I encourage a 'no' vote."

"The Gentleman from Bureau, Representative Mautino, on the Amendment."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I, as well, stand in opposition to the premature enactment, if this Amendment were to be adopted. I think that if that $8,000,000.00 under the Title XIX funds would be available, it'd be more beneficial to keep those individuals out of nursing homes, and I reluctantly, as well, stand in opposition to Amendment #1."

"Representative Bowman to close."

"Mr. Speaker, the Sponsor has agreed to leave this Bill on Second Reading. I think we have a few problems that need to be worked out, so I would prefer to have this taken out of the record at this time."

"Thought you were going to lose, huh?"

"I can take a hint as well as the next person."

"The Bill is out of the record. House Bill 1105. Levin. Read the Bill." 148  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983

"House Bill 1105, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed with respect to Amendment #1."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"None."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1108. Giglio. Take it out. Out of the record. House Bill 1116. Mulcahey. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 1116, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed in respect to Amendment #1."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"None."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1119. Kirkland. You... hold the Bill. House Bill 1131. McAuliffe. Read the Bill? Read the Bill."

"House... House Bill 1131, a Bill for an Act concerning the Commission on Gang Crime Activity. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"None."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1133. Mautino. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 1133, a Bill for an Act in relationship to occupation taxes on motor fuel. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed in respect to Amendment #1."

"Amendments from the floor?" 149  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983

"Floor Amendment #2, Mautino, amends House Bill 1133 as amended."

"Where'd Mautino go? He was on the floor a moment ago. Representative Mautino on Amendment #2. Mauti... Here he comes. Amendment #2, Mautino. He made it just in time."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Amendment #2 just changes the effective date from October 1st of '83 to December 1st of '83, and I ask for its adoption."

"Representative Mautino's moved for the adoption of Amendment #2. All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay', and Amendment #2 is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1134. Mautino. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 1134, a Bill for an Act in relationship to insur... in relation to insurance. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Motion filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2, Mautino - Dwight Friedrich - Terzich, amends House Bill 1134 on page eight and so forth."

"Is that Friedrich? Mautino. Mautino on Amendment #2."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Basically, Amendment #2 delays the effective date from January 1 of '84 to January 1 of '85, addresses the question as well of bank holding companies concerning their authorization as registered firms. And basically, what it does is it permits banks, trust companies, and bank holding companies to become registered firms with respect to the sale of group credit 150  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 insurance. That's what the legislation does."

"The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of Amendment #2. On that, the Gentleman from Champaign, Representative Johnson."

"Our analysis indicates, Representative Mautino, that this Amendment is similar, it doesn't say identical, but almost identical, to Senate Amendment #2 to House Bill 305 in last Session, which was defeated on concurrence. Can you give us a little bit of edification in terms of how these two Amendments compare to one another, what the objections were last year and how, if at all, you're curing those objections in this Amendment?"

"Well, basically, you're correct in your analysis of prior Bills. What this Amendment does... authorizes... clarifies the prohibition of holding... bank holding companies from being registered and licensed for the purpose of selling all lines of insurances. And it addresses only the authorization for credit life. It is my particular feeling on this Amendment that we have insurance brokers and agents in the insurance industry. It grandfathers in, as well, those banks that are now producing and are producers of credit life in other lines, but I... I don't think that the expansion into the field of insurance is proper under this legislation."

"Is this... is this Amendment supported by the Independent Insurance Agents?"

"Pardon?"

"Would this Amendment be supported by the Independent Insurance Agents?"

"Yes, Sir."

"Okay. Thank you."

"The Gentleman from Marion, Representative Fried... Friedrich. No. The Gentleman from Cook, 151  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 Representative Piel."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Gentleman yield?"

"He indicates he will."

"Dick, is this basically similar, to... going back a little bit to what Tim asked a minute ago, to the problems we had last year. I think it was Representative Watson brought it up a couple of times."

"Yes."

"Thank you very much."

"Representative Mautino's moved for the adoption of Amendment #2. All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay', and Amendment #2 is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #3, Mautino, amends House Bill 1134 on page one and so forth."

"Representative Mautino on Amendment #3."

"May I... Mr. Speaker..."

"Yes, Sir."

"May I take this out of the record, because of two and three being interchanged and come right back to it, Sir?"

"All right. We'll hold this for a moment and come back to it. House Bill 1137. Steczo. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 1137, a Bill for an Act in relating to investments of public funds. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"None."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1138. Reilly. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 1138, a Bill for an Act to amend the Environmental Protection Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Motion filed?" 152  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983

"No Motions filed in respect to Amendment #1."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1139. Out of the record. House Bill 1141. Steczo. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 1141, a Bill for an Act to amend the Unemployment Insurance Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"None."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1148. Giorgi. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 1148, a Bill for an Act to amend the Rockford's Civic Center Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"None."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1149. Giorgi. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 1149, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Vehicle Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"None."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1153. Giorgi. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 1153, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Vehicle Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Motion filed?"

"No Motions filed in respect to Amendment #1."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"No Floor Amendment." 153  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983

"Has the fiscal note been filed?"

"Fiscal note has been filed."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1154. Giorgi. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 1154, a Bill for an Act to amend..."

"Ou... out of the record. House Bill 1155. Hannig. Read the Bill."

"House..."

"Let's... Giorgi says he wants to run now. 1154. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 1154, a Bill for an Act to amend the Regional Transportation Authority Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 and 2 were adopted in Committee."

"Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed in respect to Amendments #1 or 2."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1155. Hannig. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 1155, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act concerning Public Utilities. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Motion filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2, Mulcahey, amends House Bill 1155 on page one and so forth."

"Representative Mulcahey on Amendment... Representative Hannig, for what purpose do you rise?"

"Before we proceed on this Bill, could the Clerk tells us if all the Amendments have been distributed? I believe there's four Amendments filed."

"Have all four been dis... They have all been 154  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 distributed."

"They have been? Okay. Thank you."

"We're ready to roll. Representative Mulcahey on Amendment #2."

"Mr. Speaker, I would move to withdraw Amendment #2."

"Leave to withdraw Amendment #2. Leave. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #3, Hannig, amends House Bill 1155 on page one and so forth."

"Representative Hannig on Amendment #3."

"Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. This Bill, itself, provides that certain data by utility companies would be filed with the Commerce Commission. At the request of the Department of Energy and Natural Resources, they asked also to be given a copy of the Bill. I don't... I know of no opposition to the Amendment. I would move for its adoption."

"Representative Hannig has moved for the adoption of Amendment #3. All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay', and Amendment #3 is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #4, Hannig, amends House Bill 1155 on page one and so forth."

"Representative Hannig on Amendment #4."

"Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. This Amendment, basically, is a Bill that was heard in Public Utilities. There was no opposition to the Bill, but unfortunately, there was not a quorum when it was time to take a Roll Call. It was one of those last day type of Bill. The Bill, itself, actually provides that water and fire plugs, which today are charged to the... the costs of which are charged to the fire departments, would not be charged to the fire departments, and instead, a privately owned water company could recover these costs through the 155  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 Commerce Commission. The Bill would only affect areas where you have a privately owned water company, as opposed to a municipal company. I'd appreciate your 'yes' vote and answer any questions."

"Representative Hannig has moved for the adoption of Amendment #4. On that, the Gentleman from McHenry, Representative Klemm."

"Will the Sponsor yield, please?"

"He indicates he will."

"Yes, Representative, just... just a question. Would this, particularly on line sixteen, would this tend to force a... a small public utility water company, I guess you'd call it, in a small subdivision to... end up putting in fire hydrants or that... that are perhaps not already in place now?"

"It... it would not change the method that is presently in use as far as determining when and where fire plugs are actually constructed or put in. It would simply change the method the private water company would use in determining their cost recovery."

"How does... how does the private water company now determine where they would put fire hydrants in place or whether they would do it at all?"

"My...staff instructs me that there is... there's really no definite answer, but generally speaking the designing engineer of a subdivision will request that hydrants be placed in certain places."

"And so therefore, if this were to become law, this would not then allow a municipality or a fire prevention district to now come to a private water company and say, 'I want fire hydrants at this spot, this spot, this spot, et cetera, et cetera'. And then the public... private water company would have to follow that dictate." 156  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983

"No, I don't believe that we will run into that problem."

"That is not your intent."

"That's certainly not my intent."

"I'm looking for legislative intent of..."

"It's certainly not my intent to put an extra burden on the private water company."

"All right. Fine. Because some of them are having financial problems. Thank you."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Piel."

"Will the Gentleman yield to a question?"

"He indicates he will."

"Gary... over here Gary... over here. Here we are."

"Oh, I'm sorry."

"Question, the first four or five lines underlined in the Amendment, you know, give me the impression that, you know, public utilities...is no public utility engaged in the production, and so on and so forth, 'may charge for water to a fire protection district'. In other words, am I reading into this something..."

"It's my legislative intent that water mains, water from the fire hydrant, not the water that they would normally have to their fire stations to wash the trucks, to wash their hands, things of that nature."

"Okay. Basically, what you're saying now, in case of a fire that they cannot charge for that water after the fact."

"The a... that's correct. The private water company would not be able to charge the fire department for that water; however, they can recover the cost of their water through a Commerce Commission Rate Hearing."

"Alright, in other words would they, you know, instead of under a normal procedure, you're saying instead of a normal 157  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 procedure of paying for a flowage situation, they've got to go through the Commerce Commission, instead of, you know, being paid for whatever water has gone through the flowage system."

"Well, what I'm saying is that the company would not have to ask the Commerce Commission, per se, for each fire they had, but what I'm saying is that the general cost that they have associated with their company, which would include the cost of water for fires and would include the cost of plugs, would be recovered through their normal rate that they would charge their... all users of their water."

"Okay. Let's go back to an example, for sake, maybe just to clarify this just a little bit. Let's say such... some specific municipality or fire protection district had a hugh fire. In that fire, there was a use of say $10,000.00 worth of water through the hydrants. Now, how would that utility collect for that water? Can they charge the municipality, or do they have to go to the Commerce Commission to get that water... or to get that money?"

"They would under this..."

"That's what I'm trying to figure. By the wording in here, that's what throws me off a little bit."

"They... they would not be able to charge for that water per se; however, the cost that they charge for the water to all their customers throughout the year could reflect the fact of... the fact that there would be usage of water for fires over the course of the year."

"In other words, what your saying is the public utility can charge all their customers, you know, spread the cost amongst all their customers for the fire in one specific area. Nor is... the municipality would not be paying for the water or the fire protection district would not be paying for the water. The taxpayers would all be paying 158  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 for the water as a, basically, utility rate increase. Correct?"

"That's correct."

"Fine. Thank you."

"Representative Hannig has moved for the adoption of Amendment #4. All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay'. Amendment #4... the 'ayes' have it. Amendment #4 is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Representative Vinson, Representative Brummer has asked that we return back to House Bill 726. He was unavoidably at a meeting. If that's okay with you, I'm sure. We're trying to accommodate all the Members. House Bill 726. Read the... read the Bill."

"House Bill 726, a Bill for an Act concerning employee inventions. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 and 2 were adopted in Committee."

"Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed in respect to Amendments 1 and 2."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. The Gentleman from Marion, Representative Friedrich."

"While we're on this order would you go pick up 1065? Representative Van Duyne and I are hyphenated Cosponsors, and I thought he had handled it. I..."

"All right. I was looking for you. Representative Friedrich on House Bill 1065. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 1065, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Barber Law. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments." 159  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983

"Amendments from the floor?"

"None."

"Third Reading. 1156. Steczo. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 1156, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act concerning public utilities. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Motion filed?"

"No Motions filed in respect to Amendment #1."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"Floor Amendment #2, Steczo, amends House Bill 1156..."

"Representative Steczo on Amendment #2."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Leave to withdraw Amendment #2."

"Leave to withdraw Amendment #2. Leave? Amendment 2 is withdrawn. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #3, Steczo, amends House Bill 1156..."

"Mr. Steczo on Amendment #3."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Amendment #3 is actually the same as Amendment #2, but in proper form, and it excludes public service facilities for oil and gas conveyed by pipelines. And I would move for the adoption of Amendment #3."

"Mr. Steczo moves for the adoption of Amendment #3. All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay', and Amendment #3 is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1157. Steczo. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 1157, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act to revise the law in relationship to plats. Second Reading 160  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Motion filed?"

"No Motion filed in respect to Amendment #1."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1159. Woodyard. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 1159, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Pension Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amen... Amendments from the floor?"

"Floor Amendment #1, Woodyard, amends House Bill 1159 on page one and so forth."

"The... Representative Woodyard on Amendment #1."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. Amendment #1 would allow the election of one annuitant to the downstate Teachers Retirement System Board. As we introduced the Bill, we had it in the posture that two people would be appointed by the Governor. The Committee felt that it would be in a much better posture, and it was agreed to in Committee to add this Amendment to an elected one person, rather than the appointment of two. And I would move for its adoption."

"Representative Woodyard has moved for the adoption of Amendment #1. All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay', and Amendment #1 is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments?"

"Third Reading. Leave to return... we were holding 1023 until an Amendment has been distributed, and it has now been distributed. House Bill 1023. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 1023, a Bill for an Act concerning 161  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 elected officials. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was tabled in Committee. Amendment #2 was adopted in Committee."

"Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed with respect to Amendment #2."

"Amendment from the floor?"

"Floor Amendment #3, Hannig, amends House Bill 1023 as amended."

"Representative Hannig on Amendment #3."

"Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. This Bill deals with elected officials and notice. And simp... this Amendment simply strikes the word, 'reasonable notice' and simply says, 'twenty-four hours notice'. I've spoken with Representative Nelson, the Minority Spokesman, and Representative Mulcahey, the Chairman of the Committee. They feel it's okay. It doesn't make a great change in the Bill, but it does make it better, and I'd appreciate your 'yes' vote."

"Representative mov... Hannig has moved for the adoption of Amendment #3. All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay', and Amendment #3 is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Be at ease for one second. House Bill 1162. Bullock. Out of the record. You want to roll? Okay. 1162. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 1162, a Bill for an Act relating to collective bargaining agreements. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"Floor Amendment #1, Bullock - Giorgi, amends House Bill 1162 on page one and so forth."

"Representative Bullock on Amendment #1." 162  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Amendment #1 to 1162 is not a substantive Amendment, but a clarifying one. Amendment #1 would in fact say that, 'The failure of an employee to disclose that there's a successor clause does not in any way abrogate the effectiveness of the successor clause or the enforceability of that in a collective bargaining agreement'. I know of no opposition to the measure. The measure merely clarifies the intent of the legislation and discloses the said language. I would encourage its adoption."

"Representative Bullock has moved for the adoption of Amendment #1. All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay', and Amendment #1 is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1166. Pullen. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 1166, a Bill for an Act concerning..."

"One moment. The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Cullerton, for what purpose do you rise?"

"Mr. Speaker, I think that I would ask, respectfully ask, the Sponsor if she could hold this on Second Reading, because I think there are some technical problems with the Bill. If that would be okay with her, I think once we clear them up that we could be in favor of the Bill."

"How about that, Penny?"

"Well, maybe she'll bring it back to... from Third to Second."

"Rep... The Lady from Cook, Representative Pullen."

"Well, it's always a delightful surprise to learn that there are technical problems with one's Bill when it's called, and of course, I'll hold it. Thank you."

"Hold the Bill. Representative... 1178. 163  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 Breslin. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 1178, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was tabled in Committee. Amendment #2 was adopted in Committee."

"Any Motion filed?"

"No Motions filed in respect to Amendment #2."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"Floor Amendment #3, Breslin, amends House Bill 1178 on page one and so forth."

"The Lady from LaSalle, Representative Breslin, on Amendment #3."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen, Amendment #3 is a cleanup Amendment. When the Committee adopted Amendment #2, they tabled Amendment #1 and inadvertently tabled two items that they... they really wanted to include in Amendment #2. So Amendment #3 cleans up that problem and puts the Bill in the shape that the Committee expected it to be in. Thank you."

"Representative Breslin moves for the adoption of Amendment #3. All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay', and Amendment #3 is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1180, Representative Satterthwaite. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 1180, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act creating the Board of Higher Education. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"None."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1182. Stuffle. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 1182..." 164  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983

"Out... out of the record. I'm now going to call on the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Cullerton. He's going to explain what happened. We took some Bills off of the Consent Calendar, and he's going to explain why we did it, and why some, I believe, may have to be returned, or should be. Representative Cullerton, the Gentleman from Cook."

"Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I would ask leave of the House to take Bills that had been removed from the Consent Calendar, House Bills 1355, 1707, 1941, and 2176 and have them returned to the Consent Calendar. We simply ask... and voted on at this time. We simply had asked that they be taken off before we had a chance to... so that we could have a chance to review them. We've checked it with the Republican side of the aisle, and they are in agreement. So I would ask leave of the House to have those House Bills put back on the Consent Calendar."

"The Gentleman from DeWitt, Representative Vinson."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would just concur that Mr. Cullerton has cleared it here, and that there were no... none of the Bills that we attempted to remove from... or did remove from the Consent Calendar are going back on. Some of these are Republican Bills."

"The Lady from Cook, Representative Alexander."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Representative Cullerton, were objections raised to these Bills that were on Consent Calendar? There were no objections or Motions put with them? All right. Thank you."

"All right. Does the Gentleman have leave that the Bills innumerated be returned to the order of 165  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 Consent Calendar at Third Reading. Leave? And leave is granted. Mr. Clerk, read the Bills."

"House Bill 1355, a Bill for an Act to amend the Environmental Protection Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1707, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Insurance Code. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1941, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act in relation to state self-insurance health plan. Third Reading of the Bill. And House Bill 2176, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Pension Code. Third Reading of the Bill."

"The question is, 'Shall these Bills pass?'. Those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'nay'. Have all voted? Atta boy, Zeke. Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 105 voting 'aye', none voting 'nay', 1 voting 'present', and these Bills, having received the Constitutional Majority, are hereby declared passed. On page two of the Calendar, on the Order of House Bills Second Reading Short Debate Calendar, House Bill 73, Preston. Is Preston here? Out of the record. House Bill 115. Terzich. Out of the record. House Bill... Terzich... We'll skip all the Terzich Bills then. Go to Second... page three, House Bill 281. Levin. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 281, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Condominium Property Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2, Levin, amends House Bill 281 as amended and so forth."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative 166  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 Levin, on Floor Amendment #2."

"Yeah, Amendment #2 is another one in the series of Amendments to this package that was suggested by the... the Illinois Home Builders. It simply clarifies, with respect to add-ons, that the provision applies whether it's one or more residential unit."

"The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of Amendment #2. All in favor signify by saying 'aye', opposed 'nay'. Amendment #2 is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill... Leave that... keep this Bill on Short Debate Calendar. Leave. Third Reading. House Bill 395. Leverenz. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 395, a Bill for an Act to amend uniform disposition of Unclaimed Property Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Motion filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"Floor Amendment #2, O'Connell, amends House Bill 395 by deleting the title and so forth."

"The Gentleman from Cook, is Representative Maconnell (sic - O'Connell) here? Representative Levi... Leverenz."

"Yes, I would like to get on with this. Representative O'Connell put his name and my name on Amendment #3, and we would like to get Amendment #2 adopted, which does not have my name on it."

"Proceed."

"And I'd like to have to handle it."

"Does the Gentleman have leave to... the 167  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 Gentleman from DeWitt, Representative Vinson."

"Mr. Speaker, I would like the Sponsor to explain the Amendment."

"He's going to. Does he have leave to proceed in place of O'Connell with the Amendment? Leave is granted. Proceed, Ted."

"It would simply allow the unclaimed property dollars to be used as a morgage amount of money, and that's all it does. And I would ask that it would be adopted."

"Representative Leverenz has moved for the adoption of Amendment #2. All in favor say... the Lady from Champaign, Representative Satterthwaite."

"Representative Leverenz, can you tell us where that money now goes?"

"Representative Leverenz."

"Currently, the money goes to pensions."

"Well, that's what I thought, and in that case, I think I would arise to oppose the Amendment. The unclaimed property monies, having been deposited in the pension systems in the past, has allowed those pension systems to gain a little bit better position. I think that it would be a real mistake for us to divert that money now and put it to some other use, and I would object to the adoption of this Amendment."

"Representative Leverenz has moved for the adoption of Amendment #2. Those in favor say 'aye', those opposed say 'no'. The 'ayes' have it, and the Amendment #2 is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #3, O'Connell - Leverenz, amends House Bill 395..."

"Representative Leverenz on Amendment #3."

"Leave to withdraw Amendment #3."

"Leave to withdraw Amendment #3, and it is 168  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 withdrawn. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments?"

"Third Reading. Leave to have the Bill remain on Short Debate Calendar. Leave is granted. House Bill 428. White. Is Jesse here? I don't see him here. Out of the record. House Bill 481. Stuffle. Is... I don't see... Out of the record. House Bill 487. DiPrima. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 487, a Bill for an Act to amend the Personnel Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Amendments from the floor?"

"Floor Amendment #1, Representative Tuerk, amends House Bill 487 on page one and so forth."

"The Gentleman from Peoria, Representative Tuerk, on Amendment #1."

"Speaker, Members of House, in Committee, there was some concern which I voiced and it was shared by others including the private citizens, who were supporting this Bill, that many veterans would get so much preference in this Bill that they could bump, say a veteran with a year seniority could bump somebody out with five or ten years seniority. So this Amendment restricts the veteran preference language to apply only when employees have the same seniority and service. I would move for the adoption."

"Representative Tuerk has moved for the adoption of Amendment #1. There's no debate? All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', opposed by saying 'no', and the 'ayes' have it. And the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 502. Leverenz. 169  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 Leave that the Bill remain on Short Debate. Leave? And House Bill 487 is on Third Reading Short Debate. House Bill 502. Leverenz. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 502, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Civil Administrative Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Committee... any Amendments... Amendments from the floor?"

"Floor Amendment #1, Leverenz, amends House Bill 502 on page..."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Leverenz, on Amendment #1."

"The Amendment, I believe, limits it to space in access of ten thousand and would make the Capitol Development Board advisory in nature, rather than a must in terms of lease approval. I would ask for the adoption of the Amendment which I understand Central Management supports."

"The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of Amendment #1. There's no debate. All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay', and Amendment #1 is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Read... Leave that this Bill remain on Short Debate. Leave? The Bill's on Third Reading Short Debate. House Bill 503. Davis. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 503, a Bill for an Act in relation to the publication of certain official notices. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Motions?"

"No Motion filed."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"Floor Amendment #2, Giorgi, amends House Bill 503 170  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 on page one, in line one, and so forth."

"The Gentleman from Winnebago, Representative Giorgi, on the Amendment #2."

"Mr. Speaker, I ask leave to withdraw Amendment #2, because it's incorrect."

"Leave to withdraw Amendment #2? And leave is granted. Amendment #2 is withdrawn. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #3, Giorgi, amends House Bill 503 as amended and so forth."

"Representative Giorgi on Amendment #3."

"Mr. Speaker, what Amendment #3 does is it... this broadens the definition for which it allows small units, such as housing authorities, to utilize the provision of the Joint Purchasing Act. It doesn't do anything to the other part of the Bill, and I urge the adoption of the Amendment."

"Representative Giorgi has moved for the adoption of Amendment #3. All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay', and Amendment #3 is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Leave that this Bill remain on the Short Debate Calendar? Leave. House Bill 548. Your... Yourell. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 548, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act concerning land titles. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #1, Yourell, amends House Bill 548 on page five, line seventeen and so forth."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Yourell, on Amendment #1."

"Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker. Amendment #1 is proposed 171  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 by the Legislative Reference Bureau. It corrects spelling. I move for the adoption of Amendment #1 to House Bill 548."

"Representative Yourell has moved for the adoption of Amendment #1. If there's no debate, all those is favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay', and Amendment #1 is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Leave that House Bill 548 will remain on the Order of Short Debate Calendar. Leave. House Bill 556. Hoffman. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 556, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of an Act in relation to state finance. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"None."

"Third Reading. House Bill 635 is out of the record. House Bill 643. Ronan. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 643, a Bill for an Act relating to the licensing of burglar and holdup alarm businesses. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions?"

"No Motions filed."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"Floor Amendment #2, Ronan, amends House Bill 643 as amended and so forth."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Ronan, on Amendment #1... or 2 rather."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. Amendment #2 is a cleanup Amendment by the Reference Bureau. All it does is clarify some of the information in Amendment #1."

"The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of Amendment #1. All those in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay', 172  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 and Amendment #2 is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Leave that this Bill remain on the Order of Short Debate Calendar. Do we have leave to hear House Bill 635... Cowlishaw? There are no Floor Amendments, I understand. Leave? House Bill 635. Cowlishaw. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 635, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"None."

"Third Reading. House Bill 662. Pangle. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 662, a Bill for an Act..."

"One moment. I don't see Pangle. Is Chuck around? Hold it for a second. He's around somewhere. Mautino's here. Proceed with the Bill."

"House Bill 662, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Lottery Law. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"Amendment #1, Pangle, amends House Bill 662 on page one by deleting line twelve and thirteen and so forth."

"Mautino, can you handle that?"

"Yes, Sir."

"Leave... leave that Mautino handle Amendment #1. Leave? Representative Mautino on Committee Amendment... on Floor Amendment #1."

"That would be Floor Amendment #1."

"Pangle's here now."

"Is Chuck here now?" 173  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983

"Floor Amendment #1, Pangle, you're on... to House Bill 662."

"That's just a technical Amendment, I believe."

"It changes, 'me' to 'shall'. Is that it?"

"Oh. It's... it's the... it deletes this... it deletes the education and other important human services program. It deletes education and other important human services programs, and it's just for the common school fund only."

"The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of Amendment #1. All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay', and Amendment #1 is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2, Pangle, amends House Bill 662 on page four by inserting after line twenty-eight the following."

"Representative Pangle on Amendment #2."

"It just assures unclaimed lottery prize money is to be diverted to school fund, rather than General Revenue Fund."

"The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of Amendment #2. On that, the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Leverenz."

"Could you explain what fund it goes to now, and what it will go to with the Amendment?"

"It... presently, it goes into the General Revenue Fund. The change is simply that all of the proceeds go into the General Revenue Fund."

"And do you intend for it to go to the..."

"Common school fund."

"Could... do you have any idea... you're saying that that is lottery money?"

"That's correct."

"Unclaimed lottery prizes?"

"Correct."

"Do you know how much that is?" 174  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983

"No, I don't, Sir."

"Uh, oh. $2,000,000.00. Thank you."

"Thank you. Every penny helps."

"The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of Amendment #2. All those in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay', and Amendment #2 is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Leave that House Bill 662 remain on the Order of Short Debate. Leave. House Bill 690. Homer. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 690, a Bill for an Act to amend Sec... Sections of the Criminal Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Amendments from the floor?"

"Floor Amendment #2, Homer, amends House Bill 690 as amended with page and line number references to House Amendment #1 and so forth."

"Representative Homer on Amendment #2."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen, Amendment #1 created the offense of unlawful interference or theft of public utility services. This Amendment #2 was recommended in Committee. Amendment #1 limited the application of this offense to those public utilities regulated by the Illinois Commerce Commission. The Committee felt that this should be made standardized and uniform and to include also those utilities owned and operated by municipalities as well as electric cooperatives. And that's what Amendment #2 would do. I would ask for the favorable adoption of Amendment #2."

"The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of Amendment #2. All those in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay', 175  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 and Amendment #2 is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Leave that House Bill 690 remain on the Order of Short Debate. Leave, and the Bill will remain on Short Debate. House Bill 727, Saltsman. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 727, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of an Act to regulate the granting of assistance to indigent war veterans and their families. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"Floor Amendment #1, Saltsman, amends House Bill 727..."

"Representative Saltsman on Amendment #1."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, this was an Amendment that was worked out with the county and township officials, and it was a language changed to make sure that the county board did oversee the monies. It did come to an agreement..."

"Representative Saltsman moves the adoption of Amendment #1. All those in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay', and Amendment #1 is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2, DiPrima, amends House Bill 727 on page one, in line three and so forth."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative DiPrima, on Amendment #2. His light's on, but I don't see him. Representative Topinka, for what purpose do you rise?

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, if Representative DiPrima is not here on Amendment #2, I would move to table Amendment #2."

"Well, just a moment. Are you doing that in his behalf?"

"I don't think I have to. I'm doing it in behalf of the whole Committee."

"Well, that's a little different. What do 176  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 you want to do, Don, hold the Bill?"

"Yes, he was here just a second ago."

"Yeah, I saw him."

"Larry back there, Dick? DiPrima?"

"Representative DiPrima, where ever you are. Well, let's... let's hold this Bill, and we will come back to it. Leave to hear House Bill 833, Karpiel. She had to leave. And we don't believe that there is any Amendments. House Bill 833, read the Bill."

"House Bill 833, a Bill for an Act in relation to quarterly tax reports being made to county and local municipalities by the Department of Revenue. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 842, Hastert. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 842, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Civil Administrative Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the four...floor?"

"Floor Amendment #1, Hastert, amends House Bill 842 by adding to line 13 the following and so forth."

"Representative Hastert on Amendment #1."

"Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, Amendment #1, is a technical Amendment that was asked for by Democratic staff. I agree with their request. And what it does, is just explain what notice is, and if notice shall be provided by delivering by mail to each unit of local government a listing of legislation passed by this 177  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 Body."

"The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of Amendment #1. All those in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay', and Amendment #1 is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No Further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Leave that this Bill rem... Oh, there's been a request for a fiscal note filed, and the Bill will remain on the Order of Second. House Bill... Leave to return back to the Order of House Bill 1166, Penny Pullen's Bill, which we took out of the record. Leave to return to House Bill 1166. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 1166, a Bill for an Act to facilitate access to decedent's safe deposit box to search for will and burial documents. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendments #1 and 2 were adopted in Committee."

"Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Back to page 4, House Bill 853, Olson. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 853, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Administrative Procedure Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"None."

"Third Reading. House Bill 862, Bullock. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 862, a Bill for an Act to require prison population impact note for certain Bills. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Motions filed?" 178  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983

"No Motions filed."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"Third Reading. House Bill 886, Klemm. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 886, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act concerning public utilities. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 922, Davis. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 922, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Insurance Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #2 was adopted previously."

"Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"Floor Amendment #3, Davis, amends House Bill 922 on page 1, in line 1 and so forth."

"Representative Davis on Amendment #3."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. Amendment #3 simply allows the change in the articles of incorporation of domestic insurance companies to have them issue preferred as well as common stocks."

"Gentleman has moved for the adoption of Amendment #3. All those in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay', and Amendment #3 is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Leave that this Bill remain on the Order of Short Debate? Leave, and the Bill will so remain. House Bill 924, Leverenz, here? Run it. Call the 179  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 Bill."

"House Bill 924, a Bill for an Act to transfer monies from the Communications Revolving Fund to the General Revenue Fund. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"None."

"Third Reading. Leave to... we're going to a Bill on Third Reading, which has got to be Amendment...returned to the Order... Representative Leverenz, for what purpose do you arise?"

"I think that... I'm sorry. I am incorrect, and I'll sit back down. Thank you."

"Alright. Leave to go to the Order of House Bill Third Reading on page 38. House Bill 553, leave that that Bill return to the Order of Second Reading for the purposes of an Amendment. Leave... House Bill... Leave is granted, and House Bill 553 is returned to the Order of Second Reading. Read the Bill."

"This Bill has been read a second time, previously. Amendment #3, Vinson - Johnson - Tate - DiPrima and Topinka, amends House Bill 553 as amended on page 1 and so forth."

"The Gentleman from Champaign, Representative Johnson on Amendment #3."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members, and thank you for courtesy of allowing us to present this. This Amendment, Amendment #3, directs itself to a problem that's occurred in Champaign County, as I understand it, and a couple of the Suburban Chicago areas, wherein certain units of local government have sought to prohibit and regulate the display of the American flag by private businesses within its corporate boundaries. This Bill simply... this Amendment 180  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 simply clarifies that municipalities don't have the powers to do that."

"The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of Amendment #3. All those in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay', and Amendment #3 is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"No further Amendments, Third Reading. Back to page 4. House Bill 926, Jaffe. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 926, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Antitrust Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"Floor Amendment #1, Jaffe, amends House Bill 926 on page..."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Jaffe on Amendment #1."

"Mr. Speaker, Amendment #1 is merely a technical Amendment. What it does, it conforms the language of this particular Bill to the federal law. That's all that it really does. And I move for the adoption..."

"Representative Jaffe moves for the of Amendment #1. All those in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay', and Amendment #1 is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Leave that this Bill remain under the Order of Short Debate. Leave, Bill will so remain. House Bill 952, Ebbesen. Is Ebbesen around? I don't see him here. Take it out. House Bill 985, Saltsman. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 985, a Bill for an Act concerning public utilities. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the floor?" 181  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983

"None."

"Third Reading. House Bill 996, Ronan. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 996, a Bill for an Act in relation to county and multicounty Public Health Departments. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"None."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1020. Reading the Bill."

"House Bill 1020, a Bill for an Act to add Sections to the Illinois Municipal Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment # 1 was adopted in Committee."

"Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"Floor Amendment #2, Hannig- Ewing, amends House Bill 1020 as amended."

"Representative Hannig."

"Yes. Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. I'm going to withdraw this Amendment. But I might just say for the record, that originally it was presented to me by the Farm Bureau, because they feel that the right of eminent domain will cause a great problem for them. But because of the fine Sponsor of the Bill, and his offer of helping us work this problem out, I ask to withdraw this Amendment."

"The Gentleman asks leave to withdraw Amendment #2? Leave, leave is so granted. Further Amendments?"

"No Further Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1051, Yourell. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 1051, a Bill for an Act to amend the 182  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 Local Governmental Employees Tort Immunity Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"None."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1052, Yourell. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 1052, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of an Act in relation to selection and use of library materials. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"None."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1085, McGann. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 1085, a Bill for an Act to create the Illinois Impoundment Control Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendment."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"Floor Amendment #1, Representative McGann, amends House Bill 1085 on page 7 and so forth."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative McGann on the Floor Amendment #1."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. This Amendment speaks only to accomplishing a request from the LRB to be placed in this Bill... on this Bill."

"The Gentlemen moves the adoption of Amendment #1. All those in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay', and Amendment #1 is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Leave that this Bill remain on the Order of Short Debate. Leave. House Bill 1090. Is Representative Pierce on the floor? Out of the record. House Bill 1101, Levin. Read the Bill." 183  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983

"House Bill 1101, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Administrative Procedure Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1111, Leverenz. 1111, Leverenz. Read it."

"House Bill 1111, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Civil Administrative Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"None."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1117, Steczo. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 1117, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the School Construction Bond Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Is Representative Nash here? House Bill 1130 out of the record. House Bill 1142, Ralph Dunn. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 1142, a Bill for an Act in relation to registration of certain profession. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"None." 184  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983

"Third Reading. House Bill 1043 (sic - House Bill 1143). Read the Bill."

"House Bill 1143, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"None."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1161, Peterson. Read the Bill. No. Out of the Record. House Bill 1165. Out of the Record. House Bill 1167, Pullen. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 1167, a Bill for an Act in relation to Inheritance and Transfer Tax. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Amendments from the floor?"

"Floor Amendment #1, Pullen, amends House Bill 1167 on page 5, line 1 and so forth."

"The Lady from Cook, Representative Pullen on Amendment #1."

"Mr. Speaker, I regret to inform you, the Amendment seems not to have been printed yet, even though it was filed yesterday. It is strictly technical in nature and is to answer problems that the majority side of the aisle had with the Bill. But I guess, that I should not ask to go forward with it."

"Has the Amendment been distributed? No? Well, let's hold the Bill. We'll try to do better, Penny."

"If the Amendment comes up later this afternoon before we leave, perhaps, you'd go back to it?"

"Sure, sure will. Long as it's before it's 4:00 o'clock."

"Right."

"House Bill 1170, Mays. Read the Bill." 185  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983

"House Bill 1170, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Vehicle Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1196, Oblinger. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 1196, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Barber Law. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1201, McGann. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 1201, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the County Auditing Law. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"None."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1208, McCracken. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 1208, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Antitrust Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"No Amendments Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1213, Wolf. Read 186  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 the Bill."

"House Bill 1213, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Vehicle Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments... Amendments from the floor?"

"None."

"Third Reading. Revert back to on page 3, House Bill 428, Jesse White. Read the Bill. House Bill 428."

"House Bill 428, a Bill for an Act to amend the Code of the Civil Procedure. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"And no Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Back to page 5, House Bill 1225, Yourell. Read the Bill. Is Yourell... yeah. Here he is."

"House Bill 1225, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Revenue Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Any... any Motions?"

"No Motions filed."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1226. Is Birkinbine here? No. Out of the record. House Bill 1230, Leverenz. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 1230, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Vehicle Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"None."

"Third Reading. House Bill... Gentleman 187  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 from Cook, Representative Leverenz."

"You said there were no Committee Amendments to 1230, and no Amendments from the floor?"

"Oh, we do have... That's a Floor Amendment. A Floor Amendment."

"Floor Amendment #1, Leverenz, amends House Bill 1230 on page 2, on line 16..."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Leverenz on Amendment #1."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Amendment makes a simple reference to the proper statute number, and I would go with the adoption of the Amendment."

"Gentleman moves the adoption of Amendment #1. Those in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay', and Amendment #1 is adopted. Further Amendments? None?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Leave that this Bill remain under the Order of Short Debate. Leave is granted, and the Bill so remains. House Bill 1231, Bowman. Run the Bill. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 1231, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Pension Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Page 6 of the Calendar is House Bill 1235, Satterthwaite. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 1235, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Pension Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the floor?" 188  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983

"None."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1245, Ropp. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 1245, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Vehicle Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"None."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1249, Zwick. Zwick. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 1249, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Personnel Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"Amendment to #2, Davis, amends House Bill 1249 on page 1, in line 2 and so forth."

"Representative Davis on the Amendment."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Amendment #2 would qualify former House employees who work for this House, and there only a couple, I think, under this provision to transfer continuous service credit why they were employees of the House. If they have indeed left the House service and sought employment in the regular civil service area of state employment. So I recommend it to you for your endorsement."

"The Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment #2. Those in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay', and Amendment #2 is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"No further Amendments. Third Reading. Leave that this Bill remain under the Order of Short 189  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 Debate. Leave is so granted. The Bill so remains. Return to page 5, the Amendment has now been distributed. Penny Pullen's Bill, House Bill 1167. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 1167, a Bill for an Act in relation to Inheritance and Transfer Tax. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"Floor Amendment #1, Pullen, amend House Bill 1167, on page 1, line 1."

"Lady from Cook on Amendment #1, Representative Pullen."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Amendment #1 is, as I indicated before, simply a technical Amendment which cleans up some obsolete language and makes some adjustments in paragraph numbering, and also, conforms one Section of the Bill to another Section, so that they are identical as they should have been in drafting. This is a Bill that I am handling for the Chicago Bar Association, and there's been great legal activity on both sides of the aisle and staff on this Bill. And this Amendment has been drafted to respond to minor technical problems. I urge this adoption."

"Representative Pullen has moved for the adoption of Amendment #1. All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay', and Amendment #1 is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Leave that House Bill 1167 remain on the Order of Short Debate. Leave, and the Bill will remain on Short Debate. House Bill 1261. Is Ebbesen here? Out of the record. House Bill 1264, Reilly. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 1264, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Psychologist Registration Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in 190  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 Committee."

"Any Motions?"

"No Motions filed."

"Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1283, Hannig. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 1283, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Mobile Home Local Service Tax Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"None."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1287."

"House Bill 1287, a Bill for an Act to amend the Uniform Anatomical Gift Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Amendments from the floor?"

"None."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1293, Hoffman. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 1293, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Vehicle Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"Amendment #1, Topinka, amends House Bill 1293, on page 1, in line 1 and so forth."

"The Lady from Cook, Representative Topinka, on Amendment #1."

"Yes. If there be no objection, I would ask that it be passed because it is so simple. And it means so much to me, because those of you people who knew about my towing experience of two weeks ago, I think will find this somewhat humorous as well." 191  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983

"Does anybody know what the Amendment does? Did you move for adoption? Let's hold this Bill. The Chief Sponsor isn't on the floor right now. Hold the Bill. Thank you very much. House Bill 1311, Steczo. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 1311, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Juvenile Court Act."

"Out of the record. House Bill 1323, Churchill. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 1323, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Juvenile Court Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"None."

"Third Reading. 1329, is Slape on the floor? No. Out of the record. 1333, Terzich is not on the floor. Out of the record. 1336, Pierce is not on the floor. Out of the record. 1340, Monroe Flinn. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 1340, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of an Act to revise the law in relation to counties. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"None."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1351, Dwight Friedrich. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 1351, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Revenue Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Motion filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"No Floor Amendments." 192  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983

"Third Reading. House Bill 1356, Mautino. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 1356, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Pension Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"None."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1359, Curran. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 1359, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the State Salary and Annuity Withholding Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"None."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1370, Bowman. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 1370, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Administrative Procedure Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"None."

"Third Reading. Hold still for one second. House Bill 1371, Bowman. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 1371, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Purchasing Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"None."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1381, Homer. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 1381, a Bill for an Act to amend the Consumer Fraud Deceptive Business Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments." 193  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983

"Amendments from the floor?"

"None."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1388, Flinn. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 1388, a Bill for an Act to authorize the Department of Transportation to convey certain described land. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"None."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1394, Wojcik. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 1394, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of an Act to regulate solicitation and collection of funds for charitable purposes. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"Floor Amendment #1, Wojcik, amends House Bill 1394 on page 1, line 12 and so forth."

"Representative Wojcik on Amendment #1."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, Amendment #1 restores the requirement that a CPA statement...a company certain charitable organization's financial report. The Amendment #1 also increases the maximum amount a charitable organization can receive from 25,000 to 50,000 before being required to have their financial report audited. Fraternal organization, currently, have a 50,000 maximum before being required to have their financial records examined by a CPA. Amendment #1 would make this provision the same for both fraternal organization and other charitable organizations. Amendment #1 would make the Bill considerably less... wide sweeping then the Bill in its present form. Amendment #1 has been sought to eliminate the opposition of the Attorney 194  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 General and the Illinois CPA Society."

"The Lady moves for the adoption of Amendment #1. All those in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay', and Amendment #1 is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Leave that House Bill 1394 remain on the Order of Short Debate. Leave is granted. The Bill will so remain. House Bill 1400. Out of the record. House Bill 1413. McAuliffe is not here. Out of the record. House Bill 1433. Out of the record. House Bill 1444, Wolf. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 1444, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Pension Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the Floor?"

"None."

"Third Reading. 1463, out of the record. House Bill 1467, Mays. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 1467, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of an Act creating the Department of... Department... Department of Veteran's Affairs. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"None."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1470, Vinson. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 1470, a Bill for an Act to provide funding for protection of non-game wildlife by providing for an income tax check off. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"None."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1483. Out of the 195  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 record. House Bill 1486. Is McMaster back there? I don't see him. Out of the record. House Bill 1490. Out of the record. House Bill 1492. Out of the record. House Bill 1495. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 1495, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Dangerous Drug Abuse Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1498, Topinka. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 1498, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Medical Practice Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the floor? There has been a request."

"No Floor Amendments."

"Has the fiscal note been filed?"

"Fiscal note has not been filed."

"The Bill will remain on the Order of Second, until the fiscal note is filed. House Bill 1501. Out of the record. House Bill 1502. Is Jesse White back there? Jesse White? No. Out. 1503, 1504 out. House Bill 1505 out. House Bill 1509, Steczo. Read the Bill. Oh, which one? Oh, 1505, Kirkland, is a hyphenated Chief Sponsor. Read the Bill. 1505.""

"House Bill 1505, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of an Act authorizing the Director of Mental Health and Developmental Disabilities to convey certain real property. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments." 196  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"None."

"Third Reading. Alright, House Bill 1170 and House Bill 1467. Do we have leave that those Bills remain on the Order of Short Debate? Leave, and House Bill 1170 and 1467, we have leave that those two Bills remain on the Order of Short Debate. Josephine Oblinger, you were a Co-chief Sponsor of a Bill with Preston. What was the number for that Bill? 1490. Return to House Bill 1490, Representative Oblinger. The Clerk will read the Bill."

"House Bill 1490, a Bill for an Act in relation... an Act relating to noninstitutional health care services. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"Floor Amendment #2, Preston, amends House Bill 1490."

"Let's take it out then. We'll take that out after all. House Bill 1509, Steczo. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 1509, a Bill for an Act relating to laetrile. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Committee Amendments, did you say?"

"No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Alright, Third Reading. House Bill 1525, Hicks. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 1525, a Bill for an Act to prohibit harassment of hunters, trappers, and fishermen. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments." 197  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983

"Amendments from the floor?"

"Amendment #1, Hicks, amends House Bill 1525 on page 1."

"Representative Hicks on Amendment #1."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, Member of the House, all the Amendment does is add the word 'knowingly' in two different places in the Bill... in the Amendment itself."

"Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment #1. All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay', and Amendment #1 is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Is leave that House Bill 1525 remain on the Order of Short Debate? Leave, and the Bill so remains. House Bill 1557, Zwick. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 1557, a Bill for an Act to amend the Retailers' Occupation Tax Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"None."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1567, Nelson. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 1567, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"None."

"Third Reading. 1577, Yourell. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 1577, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Drainage Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"None." 198  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983

"Third Reading. House Bill 1590, Giorgi. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 1590, a Bill for an Act in relation to insurance fees and taxes. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. 93 (sic - 1593), 96 (sic - 1596) are out. 1598, Olson. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 1598, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act to revise the law regarding estrays and other lost properties. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1599, Peterson. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 1599, a Bill for an Act in relation to the use of public funds providing day care services and nonprofit and not-for-profit day care facilities. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the Floor?"

"Floor Amendment #1, Karpiel - Wojcik and Steczo, amends House Bill 1599 on page 1."

"Representative Wojcik on Amendment #1."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, this amends the Committee on Use Provision of Township Organization Law, provides that the Board of Township Trustees may appoint a township committee on youth, comprised of not 199  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 less than five members, sets forth the powers and duties of such committee."

"The Lady has moved for the adoption of Amendment #1. All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay', and Amendment #1 is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Thank you."

"Third Reading. Leave that this Bill, 1599 will remain on the Order of Short Debate. Leave is granted. The Bill so remains. House Bill 1602, Virginia Frederick. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 1602, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Municipal Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions?"

"No Motions filed."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Laurino here? His coat is here. Out of the record, 1611. House Bill 1613, Representative Cullerton is the Cosponsor. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 1613, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Housing Development Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"None."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1614, Hoffman. His coat's here, too. Out of the record for a moment. House Bill 1649, Cullerton. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 1649, a Bill for an Act to describe, define and adopt the system of coordinates for designating the position of points on the surface of the earth within the State of Illinois. Second Reading of the Bill. No 200  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 45th Legislative Day May 13, 1983 Committee Amendments."

"Whatever that said. Any Amendments from the floor?"

"None."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1651, Cullerton is also the Cosponsor. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 1615, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections..."

"1651."

"House Bill 1651, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Housing Development Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Amendments from the floor?"

"None."

"Third... Representative Piel, for what purpose do you arise?"

"Mr. Speaker, this is the last or the second Bill in about the last 30 seconds that you've said, Representative Cullerton is the Cosponsor. Have these been turned in today, because according to the register, they're not?"

"I've been informed that he is a Co-Chief Sponsor. You wouldn't deny his word, would you?"

"I guess the Clerk's Office better have that book updated then."

"Any Amendments from the floor?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. 1652, out of the record. House Bill 1665, Neff. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 1665, a Bill for an Act..."

"Woke, woke you up, Clarence."