Illinois House Floor Debate — June 22, 1983

"The House will come to ceder. The House will come to order. The Members will be in their seats. The Chaplain for today will be Reverend Philip Kaufman, Pastor, Emmanuel Lutheran Church of Springfield. Reverend Kaufman is a guest of Representative Mike Curran. Will the guests in the balcony please rise to join us in the invocation?"

"We bow our heads in prayer. Gracious God, heavenly Father, You have revealed in Your word that rule and authority in government are in keeping with Your divine order. Keep us here, mindful of the sacred trust committed to our care, not only by the electorate but especially by You. This Session is drawing to a close, and so many important things have yet to be decided. Let all that is here enacted today meet Your standards and be for the good of the people. Oh, Lord, You know how hard it is for people of differing view points and ideas to work together, to compromise, to make our political system work. Forgive us for our failings. Help us to respect each other in spite of our differences. Help us to pray more, each in our own way, and let our prayers be acceptable to You. Keep the press and citizenry from unfair criticism and fault finding that our work may, indeed, give glory to You. And let us not give them reason for complaint either. Bless our country, our government. Bless our people, and make of us a real blessing to our state. In Jesus name, Amen."

"We'll be led in the Pledge of Allegiance by Representative Ropp."

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all." 1  68th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE June 22, 1983

"Roll Call for Attendance. John Cullerton, punch me 'present'. Would somebody get Fierce, Jaffe, Alexander and Braun? 117 Members answering the Roll Call, a quorum is present. Representative Greiman."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We have no requests for excused absences today."

"Representative Reilly, do you have anybody? Thank you. Message from the Senate."

"A message from the Senate by Mr. Wright, Secretary. Mr. Speaker, I am directed to inform the House of Representatives that the Senate has concurred with the House of Representatives in passage of Bills following title, to wit; House Bills 367, 368, 373, 380, 384, 385, 400, 404, 406, 417, 427, 438, 440, 441, 450, 455, 459, 465, 487, 488, 498, 514, 516, 520, 546, 556, 558, 561, 573, 576, 579 and 584 together with the attached Amendments thereto and the adoption of which I'm instructed to ask concurrence of the House of Representatives passed the Senate as amended June 21, 1983. Kenneth Wright, Secretary."

"Page twenty-five of the Calendar, Senate Bills Second Reading Appropriation Bills only appears Senate Bill 131, Representative Leverenz. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 131, a Bill for an Act making an appropriation to the Auditor General. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Senate Bill 255, Representative Reilly. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 255, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the Ecard of Higher Education. Second 2  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 68th Legislative Day Reading of the Eill. Amendment #1 is adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Amendment #2 lost in Committee. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Beading. Senate Bill 256, Bepresentative Braun. Representative Satterthwaite cr Bepresentative Braun. Representative Satterthwaite. Bead the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 256, a Bill for an Act making certain appropriations to the Board cf Trustees of the University of Illincis. Second Reading of the Eill. Amendment #1 is adopted in Committee."

"Any Mctions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Arendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Senate Bill 257, Representative Bichmond. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 257, a Bill fcr an Act to provide for the ordinary and contingent expense of the Southern Illinois University. Second Reading cf the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Amendment #2 lost in Committee. Floor Amendment #3, Friedrich, amends Senate Eill 257..."

"Representative Friedrich on Arendment #3. Representative Friedrich."

"Yeah, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House, this is a 3  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983 simply little Amendment. I've gone over the budget, and I believe that they can stand this reduction of 100,000 dollars. And if they don't know where to find it, I can show them where to find it. I'm not going to get into a long dissertation, but with the budget the size they have, I'm sure this 100,000 dollars will not cripple the Southern Illinois University. So I move the adoption of the Amendment."

"The Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment #3. On that, the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Ecwman."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise in opposition to this Amendment. The Gentleman was speaking very softly, and I don't know to what extent people caught it, but basically this Amendment cuts out the salary for the Chancellor of the University system. Now, I don't know what gripe he's got against the Chancellor, but I hope that they would sit down and work it out. This is not the way to proceed, and I think it is unreasonable, unwarranted and a waste of our time. And I urge a 'no' vote."

"The Gentleman from Jackson, Representative Bichmond."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I, too, rise in opposition to this Amendment. It seems odd to me that we should... the Gentleman would pick on one university to talk about salaries, when if he applied that... those objections to all of them, it might be a different story. I don't believe that this one university should be singled out. I certainly disagree with the Amendment and urge its defeat."

"Representative Wolf."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I, also, rise in opposition to this Amendment. Like the others, I think that I know what the problem is. It seems to be a continuing thing that we 4  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENEBAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983 encounter every year. The Chancellor, in this case, has done a tremendous job for the Southern Illinois University both at Carbondale and Edwardsville, and I would request the support of all Members to oppose this Amendment."

"The Gentleman from Sangarçn, Representative Curran."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I, alsc, rise in strong opposition to this Amendment. This Amendment we've seen here year in and year out. It's impcrtant for me to have you all understand that Sang... that Sangamon County has a large part of Southern Illincis University in their Medical School here. IF very satisfied with the jck Chancellor Shaw is doing, and I ask you to vcte "no" on this Amendment."

"The Gentleman fron Marion to close, Representative Friedrich."

"Well, Representative Bouman complained that I talked too slowly and too guietly. I'll talk a little louder for Representative Bowman so he can hear me. Got it, Woodsy? Okay. There is nothing in this Amendment that says anything about the Chancellor of SIU, and I don't know why you're SO sensitive about this. There's... SIU has a 12,000,000 dollar budget. I think they can take a 100,000 dollars out of their personal services line. I can show you places besides the Chancellor if they want to retain the highest paid man in the state 85,000 dollars a year, plus a house, plus an airplane, plus a few more things. If they want to retain hir, I'm Sure there's several other places that they can eliminate a 100,000 dollars out of a big personal services line. It does... 1 don't know why they CODE up with this Chancellor thing, because I didn't even mention it. Sc, I don't know why they're SO sensitive. In a year when it's austere, we're trying to 5  STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983 figure out where to cut, I... I... I can guarantee you that anyone in this room can go to SIU and figure cut how to eliminate about a couple people or three which would save this much money. I think this is a year to save money, and I hope you'll vote for it. And I sould like a Roll Call."

"The Gentleman has moved for the adoption cf Amendment #3. The question is, 'Shall Amendment #3 be adopted?* All those in favor signify by voting 'aye, opposed vote "no". Have al1 voted whc wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Abendment, there are 33 ayes", 62 nos', none voting 'present'. Amendment #3 fails. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

Chair." "Third Reading. Representative Capparelli in the

"House Bill 258... Senate Bill 258, Representative Ropp."

"Senate Bill 258, a Eill for an Act making appropriations to the Board of Regents. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Floor Arendments? Are there any Motions?"

"No Motions filed."

"Floor Arendrents?"

"No Flccr Amendments."

"Third Beading. Senate Bill 259, Representative Keane. Clerk, read the Fill."

"Senate Bill 259, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the Board of Governors of State Colleges and Universities. Second Reading of the Bill. #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Are there any Motions?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?" Amendment 6  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIFTION CEBATE June 22, 1983 68th Legislative Day

"Amendment 2 lost in Committee, and Amendment #3 was withdrawn in Committee. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Senate Eill 260, Stuffle. Go ahead. Clerk, read the Eill."

"Senate Bill 260, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the Illincis Community College Board and the Board of Irustees of the State Community College of East St. Louis for the fiscal year 1984- Second Reading of the Bill, Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Are there any Motions?"

"No Motions filed."

"Are there any Floor Amenduents?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Senate Fill 262, Matijevich. Clerk, read the Fill."

"Senate Bill 262, a Fill for an Act making appropriations to the Illincis State Scholarship Commission. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendments #1 and 2 were adopted in Committee."

"Are there any Motions?"

"No Mctions filed."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Senate Bill 264, Satterthwaite. Satterthwaite in... Go ahead. Clerk, read the Fil1."

"Senate Bill 264, a Eill for an Act making appropriations for retirement purposes of higher education institutions and agencies. Second Reading of the Bill. Asendrent #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Are there any Motions?"

"No Motions filed."

"Floor Amendments?" 7  STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day

"No Floor Amendments." June 22, 1983

"Third Reading. Senate Bill 278, Leveren2. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 278, a Bill for an Act making certain appropriations. Second Reading of the Fill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Are there any Motions?"

"No Motions filed."

"Floor Amendment?"

"NO... Amendment #2 was withdrawn in Committee. Floor Amendment #3, Van Duyne, amends Senate Bill 278 as amended by inserting immediately after Section 51, the following: Section 52 and so forth."

"Is Van Duyne here? Representative Leverenz."

"Thank уси, as Sponsor of the Bill, I would move then to table Amendment #3."

"Are you the Cosponsor on the Amendment?"

"Van Cuyne Fiel."

"Bepresentative Piel."

"Withdraw."

"Alright. All in favor say aye', opposed 'nay. Ayes have it. any further Amendments?" Representative leveren2. Are there

"Flcor Amendment #4, Buff, amends Senate Bill..."

"Wait. Hold it. Leverenz: Bepresentative Leverenz." "On that Amendment #3, Van Duyne was not here. I moved to table."

"Right." Leveren2: ΠΙ withdrew that Motion since the Cosponsor of the Amendment, Mr. Piel, is here in the chamber, and we would have to then go, I believe, with the Amendment as he is the Sponsor." 8  68th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENEBAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF BEFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DЕБАТЕ

"Representative Fiel, you withdrew the Amendment, didn't you? Did you not?"

"No. No, I did not."

"Oh, I'm sorry."

"I was trying to get attention. I'm sorry."

"We'll return back to... Representative Piel."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, Amendment #3 tc Senate Bill 278 is 25,0CC dollars to the ordinary and contingent expenses for the National Guard Study Commission. I would ask for passage of the Amendment."

"Is there any discussion? All in favor say 'aye', opposed... Roll Call. The question is, 'Shall this Apendment be adopted?" All in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'nay'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 85 'yes', 27 'no', 6 absent. This... This Arendment, getting the Constitutional Majority, do adopt it. Are there any further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #4, Huff, abends Senate Fill 278 as amended by inserting immediately after Section 52 the following and so forth."

"Who's Amendment was that? Huff? Representative Buff."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Amendment #4 appropriates the same funding level for Chicago's School Study Commission as FY 83."

"Is there any discussion? If there's nc discussion, it's the Gentleman's Kotion is to adoption of Amendment #4. All in fav... Jane Parres, Representative Barnes."

"Mr. Chairman, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, as Mr. 9  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENEBAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 68th Legislative Day Leverenz on the cther side kind of alerted June 22, 1983 me, we bad a Subcommittee on Commissions, and we tried to determine what Commissions were worthwhile and what Commissions WETE questionable. And, while I have a 1ct of respect for Representative Huff, there are a lot of gray areas in this particular Commission. So, for that reason, I would recommend a 'no' vote. This is not a... It's just an unnecessary Commission."

"Any further discussion? If not, the question is, 'Shall the Gentleman's Motion be adopted?' All in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'nay'. Have all voted who wish?"

"Mr. Speaker, you didn't give me a chance to close."

"I asked for... Please do."

"Alright."

"Continue."

"Well, it was an interesting remark that Representative Barnes made. The only gray area that I know of is the gray in my hair, and I can't think of a more worthwhile mission that any Commission could be on than to study the makeup of the Chicago Schools in Chicago. We all know that the schools... teetering on the brink of bankruptcy. This Commission has made... has made an exhausted study. We've gone into all twenty districts. We studied the system that has something like 400,000 students. It has an administrative body that is as large as protably some of the areas that Representative Barnes represents. If the schools go down, Ladies and Gentlemen, it will cause a 100,000 unemployment. We hope to save the schcols by changing the system. The Commission work is not yet finished. We're about a year away. We need to have more consultations with the... the parents who are just as confused and perplexed about these annually crisis with the 10  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983 schools. I think that we'd do a great disservice to the State of Illinois and the people in Chicago, the taxpayers themselves, by not allowing this Commission to go forward."

"Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 40 'yes', 49 'no', 13 voting 'present'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'nays' prevail, and Amendment #4 to House (sic - Senate) Bill 278 has failed, has lost. Senate Bill 280... Are there further Amendments? I'm sorry."

"Floor Amendment #5, Huff, amends Senate Bill 278 as amended by inserting immediately after Section 51 the following: Section 52 and so forth."

"Representative Huff."

"I withdraw the Amendment."

"Are there further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #6, Leverenz, amends Senate Bill 278 as amended by deleting all of Section 2 and so forth."

"Representative Leverenz."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Amendment #6 would correct the title on the Agent Orange Study Commission. No dollar change there. The second part of the Amendment restores the Legislative Advisory Committee on Public Aids FY'83 appropriation level and funds retirement at the proper rate. It adds 6,000 dollars to pay for members travel from the travel line for the Comptroller's directive. That total dollar increase is 41,100, and for the Suburban Problems Task Force. That appropriation would be increased by 30,000 dollars. I would move for the adoption of Amendment #6 to Senate Bill 278. It's agreed on this side."

"Is there any discussion? Then the question is, 'Shall Amendment #6 be adopted?' All in favor say 'aye', opposed... Let's take the Roll Call on this. All in 11  68th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSENELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION ΕΕΒΑΤΕ June 22, 1983 favor will vote 'aye, and all those opposed will vote 'nay'. Clerk, take the record. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Clerk, take the record.. On this question, the adoption of Amendment #6, there are 66 'yes', 45 'no', 1 voting present'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' prevail, and the Amendrent is adopted. Are there any further Amendments?"

"No further Arendments."

"Third Reading. Senate Bill 294, Representative Jaffe. Is Representative Jaffe here? Ch, I'm sorry. Senate Bill 280, Bepresentative Bowman."

"Sedate Bill 280, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the Department of Mental Health and Developmental Disabilities. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Are there any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Flcor Amendment #2, Terzich, amends Senate Bill 280 as amended by inserting immediately after Section 1 the following: Section 2 and so forth."

"Bepresentative Terzich."

"Yes, Amendment #2 allows the Illinois Fension Laus Commission to transfer 11,000 dollars from personal services to the following line iters: 6,000 to contractual and 5,000 dollars to travel. That's all it does. It's just a transfer."

"Is there any discussion? Bepresentative Leverenz."

"Gould the Sponsor yield? This is an 83 transfer. That's correct?"

"That's correct."

"It just sorts out what is left for this year." 12  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GEEEGAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF BEPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE June 22, 1983 68th Legislative Day

"That's correct."

"AD excellent Amendment, I feel it should be adopted."

"It's always nice tc have those comments, Representative."

"Any further discussion? All in favor say 'aye, opposed... In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and Amendment #2 has been adopted. Speaker Madigan in the Chair."

"Ladies and Gentlemen, could I have your attention, please? If I could have your attention for just a few short minutes. We are honored today to have with us a distinguished guest, a person who was a very prominent figure in national politics a few short years ago, a former merber of the United States Congress and a former National Committee person on the Democratic National Committee. It is my honor to present to you forser Congresswoman Shirley Chisholm from New York."

"Thank you. Thank you very, very much. Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I am very, very glad to be here in this beautiful chamker, reminds me SO much of the New York State Legislative Chamber. And I am not going to be here long to make any speech because I know you're about the business of trying to tring to a close the Legislative Session, and you want to get off on your vacation. I'm... Thank you, Dr. Speaker, for giving me the opportunity to just come here and bring a few words of greetings. And work hard so that you can get out of here. Thank you so much."

"And in behalf of Mrs. Chisholm, Representative Younge has just handed me a House Resolution on which I would like any Members who would like to be Cosponsors to add their names. The Resolution will be up ch the desk. Thank you. Alright. Thank you very much." 13  STATE OF ILLINGIS 83RD GENESAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 68th Legislative Day

"Senate Terzich's Amendment. June 22, 1983 Bill 280, we adopted Amendment... Are there any further Amendments?"

"No further Arendments."

"Third Reading. Senate Fill 300, Braun Homer. Cut of the reccrd. Senate Pill 301, DiFrima. Clerk, read the Eill."

"Senate Bill 301, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the State Treasurer. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendments #1, 2 and 3 were adopted in Committee."

"Are there any Floor Arendrents? Are there any Motions?"

"A Motion to table Amendment #2 by Representative Leverenz."

"Bepresentative Leverenz."

"Thank you, to Mr. Speaker. I bave moved table Amendment #2 because it is an exact duplicate of Amendment #1, and I nos put that Hotion."

"The Gentleman has noved to table Amendment 2. All in favor say aye", opposed... "Ayes have it. Are there further Motions?" Clerk O'Frien; "No further Motions."

"Are there any Floor Amendsents?"

"Amendment #234 lost in Ccomittee. Floor Amendment #5, Leverenz Mautino, amends Senate Bill 301 as amended on page four by deleting line twenty-six through twenty-nine."

"Representative Leverenz."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Amendrent #5 would delete the initial operating expenses for the 100,000 dollars Illinois Residential Construction Act. The reason for the Amendment, of course, is that the substantive Eill was tabled, and I now move for the adoption of Amendment #5 to 14  STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 68th Legislative Day Senate Fill 301." June 22, 198.3

"Any discussion? All in favor cf Amendment #5 say "aye, opposed... Asendment #5 has been adopted. Are there any further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Oh, Im sorry. Representative Bowman, I didn't see you."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, could we go back and pick up 300. It was the one that Was just skipped over because Representative Braun was indisposed..."

"I intended to go back there. She was busy Bowman: here." "Okay. Thank you very much."

"Bepresentative Eraun was busy with Congressman Chisholm, and now we will return back to Senate Bill 300, Representative Braun. Representative Horer will handle it."

"Senate Bill 30.0, a Bill fcr an Act making appropriations to the ordinary and contingent expense of the Illinois Arts Council. Second cond Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Are there any Motions?"

"No Motions filed."

"Are there any Floor Amendrents?"

"Floor Amendment #2, late, arends Senate Bill 300 as amended on page two by inserting immediately after line five the following: Section 3 and so forth."

"Representative late. Representative Homeг."

"Mr. Speaker, I would move to table Arendment #2."

"The Gentleman asks to table Amendment #2. All in favor say aye, opposed..... Bepresentative Mays."

"On... did you just table it, or was I going to be able to speak on the Action?" 15  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENEBAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983

"I beg your pardon, Sir?"

"Okay. We just moved back to this Order to accommodate a Member who is not on the floor when the Bill was called."

"NC. No. No, Representative Braun was right here, and she asked me to take it out because she was talking to Congressman Chisholm. She was on the ficcr."

"Okay, but Fepresentative Tate would have no knowledge of when you're going to get back to that. I would ask that we hold this for Second Reading until Bepresentative Tate gets here, and then we can move to that Crder of Business. It would be just sufer if that would be what we could do."

"Representative Homer."

"Any... any time, John."

"Do you bave any prcklem, Representative Ecmer?"

"Mr. Speaker, I would ask that we proceed at this time. The Bill has been called. The Amendment's been called, and the Motion's before the Body to table. I would... I would simply ask that we have a vote on that Motion and proceed."

"Be has that... Be's within his right. Representative Fiel."

"Let's regress a little bit, Br. Speaker, to go through exactly what happened. Representative Braun said to take it out. In the meantime, she left the floor. You came back to the Bill. She wasn't even on the floor at the time, so Bepresentative Homer took over. Now, you know, we were accommodating to come back. We, as a House, were accommodating to come back. You know, it's a situation where we can come back in a little later, and when Representative Tate's on the floor and go to Representative Tate's... You know, it's just Common courtesy of the House."

"Thank you. Representative Homer, the Chair 16  STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRE RESENTATIVES TRAN ANSCRIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day June 22, 198.3 would suggest that you would take this cut of the record for the time being. Thank you. Out of the record.. Senate Bill 373, Barnes. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 373, a Pill for an Act to provide for the ordinary and contingent expense of the Department of Agriculture. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendments #1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 and 14 were adopted in Committee."

"Are there any Kotions?"

"No Motions filed."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

Floor "Amendment #13 was withdrawn in Committee. Amendment #15, Hicks, amends Senate Fill 373 as atended by inserting after the last line of Section 6 the fcllowing: Section 6 (A) and so forth."

"Representative Ficks."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House, Amendment #15 is a 2,500 dollar Amendment for the illincis Babbit Breeders Association to have to do with the annual convention they have at the Illinois State Fair. The Amendment would allcW for prize monies and for contingency monies to be paid out of the 2,500 dollar, similar to what the Poultry Breeders Association do on an annual basis. I'd ask for its adoption."

"Is there any discussion? All in favor of Amendment #15 would say 'aye', cppcsed... In... Let's have a Roll Call. All in favcr for Amendment... adoption of Amendment #15 will vote *aye, those opposed will vote 'nay'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Clerk, take the record. The adoption of Arendsent 15, there are 60 "yes" and 44 no. The 'yes' prevail and adoption of Amendment #15. Are there any further Amendments?" 17  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENEBAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION ΣΕΒΑΤΕ 68th legislative Day

"Floor June 22, 1983 Amendment #16, by Brs. Younge, amends Senate Bill 373 as amended by deleting line one and tuc and inserting in lieu thereof the following, an Act making certain appropriations and so forth."

"Representative Younge."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Hembers of the House. Amendment #16 appropriates from the Joint Partnership Training Act the federal funds, 1,870,000 dollars for the summer youth project conservation core. This is a Frairie 2000 Bill and Amendment and Fart of the Prairie 2000 package. And I move for the adoption of the Amendment."

"Representative Younge has moved for the adoption of 16. Is there any discussion? All in favor say 'aye", opposed... Let's have a &cll Call. All in favor vote 'aye, all opposed vote 'nay'. Bas every vote... everybody has voted who wish? Representative Bowman: Would you turn on Representative Bouman, please?" Всишал. "Yes, I'd just like to say that this Amendment is being considered because the Bill that this corresponds to did not get out of Committee, because we did not have enough time to consider all of the Member Eills. It's a good... good Amendment."

"Bepresentative Vinson."

"Mr. Speaker, may I speak... may I speak to the Arendment?"

"Has everyone voted who wished?"

"Hr. Speaker, may I speak to the Amendment?"

"Representative Younge."

"Yes, this Auendment calls for the appropriation of federal funds from the Joint Fartnership Training Act for a summer youth program to hire youth for a brief period in the summer to put them in the parks in Illincis to do rcad repairing and cutting trees. The... Originally, the 18  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983 Department of Conservation believed that the federal funds were not appropriate, but right now, they want these funds. This is a very cost effective program, and it takes youth off the street for the summer months and puts them in the park. And I need about four or five more votes up there so that we can have this summer program, so that we can use these funds, these federal funds, for this summer program, so that youth will not be on the streets, and they will be in the parks cutting the trees and repairing the roads in a very effective manner. The Department of Conservation has done a very fine job with this summer program, and we ought to have that program. And I'd like for you to please give me about four more votes so that I can succeed in this Amendment."

"Has everyone voted who wish? Clerk, take the record. Representative Younge requests the per... Representative O'Connell."

""Aye."

"Would you record Representative O'Connell as voting "aye". Representative Vinson, please. Representative Barnes."

"Mr. Speaker, since I think this is an improper usage of funds, I would like to verify the Roll Call."

"Yes. Represent... Representative Saltsman votes "aye". Representative Fangle votes "aye". Representative Berrios votes "aye". Representative Winchester."

"Mr. Speaker, vote me "no" please."

"Representative Winchester "no". Representative Alexander. Representative Alexander votes "aye". Mr. Clerk, what's the full count now? Mr. Vinson, the count now stands at 57 "aye", 52 "no". Representative Barnes, do you want to renew your verification? Alright. 19  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983 Thank you. Fall of the Absentees."

"Poll of the Absentees. Christensen, Cullerton, Krska, Hautino, McPike, Oblinger, Richmond. No further."

"Foll of the Affirmative Foll Call, please."

"Alex... Alexander, Eerrios..."

"One minute, please. Representative O'Connell."

"Can I have leave to be verified?"

"Does he have leave to verify? Yes."

"Bowman, Braun, Freslin, Erooking, Erummer, Brunsvold, Fullock..."

"Representative Vinson."

"MI. Speaker, the rules require that Members be in their chair and raise their hand when they're called in the Poll of the Affirmative. And would you please request that they do that?"

"Would everyone please be in their chair and raise their hand as they get called?"

"Capparelli, Currie, DeJaegher, Domicc, Doyle, Jchn Dunn, Farley, Giglio, Giorgi, Greiman, Hicks, Homer, Huff, Hutchins, Jaffe, Keane, Kulas, Laurino, LeFlore, Leverenz, Levin, Marzuki, Matijevich, McGann, Mulcahey, Nash, O'Connell, Panayotovich, Fangle, Pierce, Freston, khem, Rice, Renan, Saltsman, Satterthwaite, Shaw, Stec20, Taylor, Terzich, Turner, Van Luyne, Vitek, White, Wolf, Younge, Yourell and Mr. Speaker."

"What's the count, Mr. Speaker (sic Clerk). Mr. Vinson, it's 57 'ayes', 52 'nay'. Wait... Representative Oblinger. Bepresentative Oblinger "no". Are there any questions, Representative Barnes?"

"Representative Ereslin."

"One minute, please. Representative Bea voting 'aye. Continue Representative Earnes." 20  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION ΣΕΒΛΤΕ 68th Legislative Day

"Representative Breslin."

Barnes: Speaker June 22, 1983 "Who was that Representative Barnes?" "Representative Breslin."

"Representative Breslin, is she in the chamber? Remove Representative Breslin."

"Representative Erookins."

"Representative Brookins is right here in the front seat."

"Representative Fullock."

"Representative Bullock, standing in the aisle here."

"Okay. Representative Dcmico."

"iepresentative Domico, sitting in his seat waving.."

"Representative Laurino."

"Representative laurino. Is Representative Laurino in the chamber? Remove bis."

"Representative, oh, I see him, Marzuki. Representative Mulcahey."

"Bepresentative Mulcahey is standing by his seat."

"Representative Pierce."

"Bepresentative who?"

"Fierce."

Speaker Capparelli: "Oh, Bepresentative Fierce. Is Representative Fierce in the chamber? Remove him."

"Representative Ronan."

"Kepresentative Ronan Bonan here? Remove him."

"Representative Shaw."

Is Representative Speaker Capparelli: "Representative Shaw. Representative Shaw is in Capparelli's seat."

"Representative Steczo." 21  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF BEFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983

"One minute. Representative Ronan, standing here. Place him back on the Roll Call. Representative Steczo is standing by the door here."

"Representative White."

"Representative White is walking down the aisle here."

"Representative Jaffe."

"Representative Jaffe. Is Representative Jaffe in the chamber? Remove him please."

"Representative Keane."

"Representative Keane. Is Representative Keane in the chamber? Remove him."

"I think that's all, Mr. Speaker."

"What is the count now. Representative Jaffe returned to the Roll Call. On this Roll Call, there are 54 'yes', 53 'no', and the Amendment has been adopted. Are there any further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #17, Woodyard - Vitek, amends Senate Bill 373 as amended on page twelve by inserting between line fourteen and fifteen the following and so forth."

"Representative Woodyard. Is Representative Woodyard in the chamber? Representative Barnes."

"Mr. Speaker, the Amendment had not been distributed, and Representative Woodyard said then he would just let it go."

"We'll take that cut of the record... The Amendment hasn't been delivered? It's not printed. You're right. He's not here."

"I think it would be just as well, Mr. Speaker, if when I say, let it go, I'm sure he would withdraw it if he were here cause he discussed it with me earlier."

"Representative Barnes makes the Motion to table this Amendment with the agreement of Mr. Woodyard. 22  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983 All in favor say 'aye', opposed... Amendment #17 has been withdrawn... is tabled, and... Any further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Senate Bill 374, Friedrich. Clerk, read the Bill. Representative Barnes is here. She's also a Cosponsor. You want to handle..."

"Senate Bill 374, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the ordinary and contingent expense of the Commissioner of Banks and Trust Companies. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Are there any Motions?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2, Barnes - Leverenz - Dwight Friedrich, amends Senate Bill 374 as amended on page one line twelve and so forth."

"Representative Barnes."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, this is an agreed Amendment - Barnes, Leverenz and Friedrich. It adds 101,100 dollars in the Bank and Trust Company Fund to provide for eight additional bank examiners and the related expenses. This amount will all for four examiner trainees to be hired in November of 1983 and four more in February 1984. According to the Commissioner, these additional personnel will allow the agency to examine 100% of the state chartered banks in 1985. The Committee had expressed concern that not all the banks were examined, and it is a statutory requirement. I would recommend an 'aye' vote."

"Representative Leverenz."

"I stand in support of the Amendment. It will provide that the banks will all be audited. It is their money which comes to us to perform that service anyway. I'd ask 23  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day that you vote 'aye' for the Amendment." June 22, 1983

"The question is, 'The adoption of Amendment #22 All in favor say 'aye', opposed... 'Ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Are there any further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Senate Bill 375, Barnes. Clerk, read the Eill."

"Senate Bill 375, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the Department of Central Management Services. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendments #1, 2, 3 and 5 were adopted in Committee."

"Representative Barnes. Ch, I'm sorry. Any Motions?"

"No Motions filed."

"Floor Amendments?"

"Amendment #4 was tabled... was withdrawn in Committee. Floor Amendment #6, Barnes - Winchester, amends Senate Bill 375 as amended on page ten and so forth."

"Representative Barnes."

"Mr. Chairman, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, Amendment #6 is merely a technical change which inserts the word 'surplus' in State Surplus Property Revolving Fund. It's noncontroversial, and I would recommend an 'aye' vote."

"Representative Leverenz."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I stand in support of the Amendment also. Thank you."

"The question is, 'Shall Amendment #6 be adopted?' All in favor say 'aye', opposed... Amendment #6 has been adopted. Are there any further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #7, Barnes, amends Senate Bill 375 as amended on page eleven and so forth." 24  STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day

"Bepresentative Earnes.." June 22, 1983

"Ar. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, since we had some technical problems with Amendment #7, I wish to withdraw it."

"Amendment #7 has been withdrawn. Any further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #8, Barnes Winchester, amends Senate Bill 375 as amended by deleting all of Section 8 and so forth."

"Bepresentative Barnes."

"MI. Chairman, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, Amendment #8 adds $261,300 for start up payment into the newly created State Surplus Property Revolving Fund."

"Representative Leverenz."

"Stand in support of the Amendment. Thank you.."

"... question... Shall Amendment #8 be adopted?' All in favor say 'aye, ceposed... Ayes' have it. Amendment #8 has been adopted. Are there any further Asendments?"

"No further Avenduents."

"Third Reading. Bepresentative Earnes, we're going to interrupt a moment and go back to 300 now that Representative Tate's back here. Do you mind? Senate Bill 300, Representative Eraun."

"Thank you, Hr. Speaker."

"Mr. Clerk, read the Bill, please."

"Senate Bill 300, a Bill for an Act to make an appropriation for the ordinary and contingent expense of the Illinois Arts Council. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Motions?"

"No Motions filed."

"Floor Amendment?" 25  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983

"Floor Amendment #2, Tate, amends Senate Bill 300 as amended on page two by inserting immediately after line five the following, Section 3 and so forth."

"Representative Tate. Represent... Representative Tate on Amendment #2 to Senate Bill 300."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, Amendment #2 would provide 24,000 dollars for the Little Theatre in Sullivan, Illinois. The Little Theatre has been operating for the 25th season this year. It is an equity theatre. For those of you that don't know equity, that means that it's a professional theatre, and it's been featured on the front pages of the Saturday night... the Saturday Post, The Chicago Tribune, The St. Louis Post Dispatch. It is a very professional theatre. It's one of the major employers in a small community, and it means a great deal to that community. Two years ago it changed management, and right now, it is kind of struggling. And this 24,000 dollars may be the difference in survival. And for those of you that are downstate, at least, one on my concerns has been that... that the Arts Council has not provided the funding in an equitable way between downstate and the Chicago area. And I just would encourage you to take a serious look at this because there are a lot of people in central Illinois and, in fact, Chicago. It's one of the finest theatres in the State of Illinois, and I would encourage an 'aye' vote."

"Representative Leverenz."

"Would the Gentleman yield to a question?"

"Yes."

"Are you trying to circumvent the application process in the Arts Council?"

"Representative Leverenz, the... the Little Theatre had applied last year for a grant, and unfortunately because of 26  68th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION СЕВАТЕ June 22, 1983 the management transition that they had gone through, they didn't have an opportunity really to get a fair hearing because of the transition. And this year, they... they have received a small, a very small grant."

"They did get money then."

"They got, I think, about 2,000 dollars."

"Any you're trying to help then get more?"

"I certainly am."

"Well, I think that's very admirable of you, Sir. I may even support your Amendment, but I would think that the Amendment would fail on its own."

"Representative Bcwman."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I rise in opposition to this particular Amendment. The Arts Council is in opposition to this Amendment, as well. The Arts Council does have an application process. They have a jury process whereby they evaluate the relative artistic merits of the various programs. They did testify that they make an effort to get grants and awards in every legislative district in the state. Surely, they do have statewide distribution. I believe the Gentleman is under a misimpression about the distribution of Arts awards in this state, cause we did hear testimony tc the contrary in Committee. I'm sorry he doesn't serve on our Committee because I'm sure he could learn a great deal about the Arts Council. In any event, the Council opposes this... this Amendment because they do have an award process set up which involves jury by one... by artistic peers of the applicants, and I believe that the... the Legislature is not an appropriate form for making these kinds of evaluations. So, I would stand in opposition to this Amendment."

"Representative Hastert." 27  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day Hastert: I June 22, 1983 "Well, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of this House, just beard the previous speaker, and I did serve in his Committee. And we did have testify... testimony before us; however, I'm from downstate Illinois. He made application to the Arts Council. We have an arts theatre in our small community, although it's a small community, not very urban. But the people from the Arts Council absolutely refused to either come out and in their gucte, unguote jury to see what people in small towns do. Now that's a fact. And 1, you know, maybe that's the only way for somebody from downstate Illinois can bring in arts to their community is to make an Amendment to this Bill. You know, I stand up, and I wasn't going to say a thing about this Amendment until Mr. Bowman stood up and talked. But I stood in that Committee. I listened to the testimony. I went through their process, and they said, "To hell with you."

"Is there any further discussion? Representative Tate to close on his Amendment." I

"Yes, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, could only encourage you to take a lock at this Amendment on the merits of the Arendment. This is a... one of the finest... the finest theatres in downstate Illinois, and it provides not only some recreational entertainment, but a great deal of employment for the area. And the people have a lot of community pride over this Asendment. It's very important tc that Asendment, and the suggestion that the Representative has made from Ccck is that there is distribution in all of downstate. And I would just question some of those funds being distributed right now, because I know that some gangs in the City of Chicago have received grants from the Arts Council. Now, if you want to give your money to a professional organization, an organization that has the support of the community, I would 28  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOOSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983 encourage an aye vote. And I would like a Rcll Call vote on this..."

"Representative Braun. Fepresentative Praun, turn around, please."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in the first place, with regard to the specifics of this Amendment, this Amendment is inappropriate in the first place because this... this theatre group has already gotten an award from the Arts Council. I... This Bill is on Second Reading. It has gone through the Committee process. It has emerged from that Committee process in substantially the form that comports with the Arts Councils procedures where you in you make an application and the like. This Amendment is totally out of line, and I would ask for a 'nc vote on the Arendment."

"Representative Bowman."

"Well, thank you, Mr. Speaker. I thought WE Were just about ready to proceed to a vote on this. Aren't we about ready to vote on this?"

"I can't make cut what you're saying."

"I believe we're ready for a vote."

"Yeah, we're ready for it right now. All in favor of the adopt... Representative Barnes."

"To the Amendment, Mr. Chairman... Speaker, I wasn't going to speak to it, but after listening to some of the Comments, think the Little Theatre in Sullivan only receives 1,200 dollars, and I remember last Session when we gave 100,000 dollars to the ballet in Chicago..." I

"Bepresentative Leverenz, for what purpose do you rise?"

"I understand Representative Tate closed. Is that correct?"

"Representative Tate closed, then we reco... 29  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENEBAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF BEFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983 Repre... we recognized Representative Eraun cause it's her Bill. And after Ms. Barnes finishes, we're going to have a Boll Call. Go ahead. Continue..."

"I would just... For those reasons, MI. Speaker, I would recommend an 'aye vote. It's just 25,000 dollars."

"Alright. All in favor on Amendment #2 wil1 vote 'aye, those opposed will vote... nay", and the Clerk will please take the record. Eave all voted wha wish? Have all voted who wish? Clerk, take the... count... take the record. Cn Amendment #2, there are 44 "yes", 61 "nc". Representative Dwight Friedrich."

"I just want to explain my vote."

"Continue."

"Well, I... I have the feeling that some of you don't understand what Representative Tate's trying to do. This Little Theatre at Sullivan was known all over the country as one of the cutstanding theatres in this part of the country. Many people from Springfield went there, drove a 100 miles tc go down there. Feople came from all over southern Illincis and Indiana to this theatre because they had internationally known actors there. I think if we're going to preserve the arts, this is better than some of the other things that I see, and I think it's worthwhile preserving. It was a great thing for all of Illinois, not just Sullivan."

"Bepresentative McCracken, please."

"Vote aye"."

"Representative Tuerk."

"Would you change me to 'aye' please?"

"Bepresentative Tuerk 'aye'. Representative Didrickson,"

"Would you change me to 'aye please?"

"Change Representative [idrickson to 'aye". 30  68th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION LEBATE June 22, 1983 Representative Cowlishaw."

"How am I recorded, please?"

"How is Representative Cowlishav recorded?"

"The Lady is recorded as voting 'aye'."

"Thank you."

"Representative LeFlore."

"Record me as voting 'no'."

"Record Mr. LeFlore as voting 'no' please. Are there any more additions or subtractions here? Mr. Clerk, what is the count? On the adoption of Amendment #2, there are 47 'ayes', 59 'no', 1 vcting 'present', and the Amendment has been defeated. Are there any further Amendments please?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Senate Bill 376, Representative Barnes. Clerk, read the Fill, please."

"Senate Fill 376, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the ordinary and contingent expense of the State Civil Service Commission. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendments #1 and 3 were adopted in Committee."

"Representative Yourell in the Chair."

"Any Notions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills Second Beading is Senate Bill 377. Bead the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 377, a Bill for an Act to make an appropriation for the ordinary and contingent expense of the Illinois Commerce Commission. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendments #1 and 2 were adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions filed?" 31  68th Legislative Day

STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 22, 1983 "A Motion to table Amendment #2 by Representative Birkinbine."

"Bepresentative Birkinbine."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Motion to table Amendment #2 vas filed for reason it was brought up on the floor yesterday. Yesterday we passed another Bill for the Citizens Utility Roard. As was brought out then and was brought out in the first discussion cf the CUE, this kas to be a vcluntary organization that was to be funded by citizens who believed in the board and would voluntarily contribute. In fact, I have with me a solicitation from something called Consumers for the Citizens Utility Ecard. I think it was sent tc every candidate for the Legislature. When... In it's little pamphlet it says, How does CUB work?" It says, CUB is a voluntary organization. It is not a state agency and does not receive any tax dollars. It defends CD voluntary contributions." Further on and at the end it says, "It means people can do scrething for themselves about inflation without a single tax dollar being spent.' I think Members of this Legislature, both House and Senate, voted for the CUE with that thought in mind. NOW comes Amendment #2 to Senate Bill 377, and low and behold, what it calls for is a sum of 100,000 dollars or so much thereof as may be necessary for the purpose of making loans to a statewide Citizens Utility Board pursuant to the Utility Board Act enacted by this General Assembly. There is Do provision for this money to be faid back, no time table, and once again, I reitorate, it's calling for spending to 100,000 dollars of taxpayers dollats as a so called loan for this voluntary board. Frankly, Ladies and Gentlemen, I think a lot of people who realistically believed that this was a good idea are being suckered by this Amendment 32  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983 100,000 dollars of what was originally to be a voluntary board. Now, if people out there don't believe enough to send a dollar or five dollars or what have you to support a Citizens Utility Board, it should fail. Those were the grounds on which the Members of this Assembly voted for it. I say it's wrong to take up to 100,000 dollars of the people's money for a so called loan with no provision for it to be paid back to fund what was supposed to be a voluntary organization. I would urge an 'aye vote on this Motion to table Senate Amendment #2, I'm sorry, House Amendment #2 to Senate Bill 377."

"Is there discussion? Representative Leverenz."

"And Mr. Speaker, I would request a Roll Call vote on this, and I'd like to close."

"Representative Leverenz."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. On the Motion to table, the Gentleman perceives that we are appropriating money for the use of the CUE. That is not going to happen. This is simply start up money which will return to us. It is the will of the citizens of the state, by an overwhelming majority to have a CUE, and we are simply pr... trying to provide interim funding to get it off the ground. And I am certain the money's coming back. That should not be an issue. The Gentleman should not even raise the issue. This Motion to table should be defeated overwhelmingly."

"Representative Stuffle."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House, this Amendment should, as Representative Leverenz, the Chairman, said stay on the Bill. It should not be tabled. Let me indicate to you, as he did, and you look around the state at the referendums on the CUB issue. It overwhelmingly... They passed in Republican and Democratic Community alike. It's 33  68th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF BEFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION СЕВАТЕ June 22, 1983 necessary that the start-up money be put there by a loan simply because there would be no start-up money otherwise. You've got an effective date on this program. It's got to be put in place. The money will COME back to this particular fund thereafter. It is a loan. It is not a direct appropriation that diminishes cr one that is never paid back. It all comes back. The fact of the matter is, the Senate passed the Bill for 100,000 dollars which I carried, Senate Bill 80. Bepresentative Leverenz and others on our side tock that Bill, tçck a look at it along with staff and found it to be defective because, frankly, we were moving money out of a fund for purposes and through agencies which was not legitimate cr legal. This Amendment that he put on the Bill takes care of that problem, appropriately uses the fund, provides a direct conduit through the correct agency for the CUE and will materialize into a loan. Through appropriation processes, it will come back just as Representative Leverepz said. As I refeat and he said, throughout this state, Desccrat and Republican communities cverwhelmingly five and ten and twenty to one passed the CUB proposal. No CDE defeated it to y knowledge. No one even came close. We would be rejecting the will cf our voters, and CUE taxpayers, our constituents, if we were to table this Amenduent and not provide this loan. And I urge a "nc" vote on the Motion to table and urge you keep this Arendment on this important issue on the Bill."

"Representative Vinson.

"Mr. Speaker, I would call the Chair's attention to Amendment #2. Amendment #2 amended Senate Bill 377 with reference to the page and line numbers of Amendment #1. It inserted on page four between lines eighteen and nineteen a Section 6. Call the Chair's attention tc the fact that 34  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 22, 1983 68th Legislative Day line nineteen is alsc numbered Section 6. Now... Then it also inserted a Section 7, so that with the Amendment, there would be two Section 6's and a Section 7 before the Section 6. Quite clearly, the Amendment is out of order, cannot be adopted, and pursuant to the Chair's ruling in regard to Representative DiPrima's Bill earlier in the Session where the Chair did rule that an Amendment adopted in Committee was nongermane and could not be continued on the Bill, I would ask the Chair to rule that Amendment #2 is out of order and cannot remain on the Bill, so that we can get back to a proper posture on this Bill."

"We'll get to that, and while we're getting to that, I'll recognize some other speakers. The Gentleman from Effingham, Representative Brunner."

"Yes, I would like to rise briefly in opposition to the Motion to table. I think it is important, as I think most people do, to understand the mechanics of the CUB. The CUB will... If the CUB is passed and signed into law by the Governor, as I think it will be, the... the CUB Board will have authority to insert with the billings of the utility companies some material explaining the CUB and soliciting membership and soliciting funds. In order to do that, they have to print that material. They have to engage in some cost sharing with the utility companies concerning the mailing and the expenses that are incidental to that. Now once they engage in that solicitation process, I'm confident they will have funds. But up front, they need to be able to print the material. They need to be able to pay some of these cost, and that's why this is not a straight appropriation. It is for the purpose of a loan. Once the CUB is in place, these funds will be paid back. It seems to me a reasonable approach to help initiate the CUB organization which I think is a very good idea. I'm 35  68th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 22, 1983 confident that these funds will be paid back once the printing occurs, and the solicitation begins and membership begins to roll in. For that reason, this approach is reasonable, and this Motion to table should be defeated."

"Representative Bowman."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. In addition to the points already raised by my colleagues on this side of the aisle, I would just like to point out that Representative Birkinbine seems to be especially concerned about the amount of this loan. Now, 100,000 dollars is only about twice Jim Thompson's salary, and I think one CUB is worth two Jim Thompson's. In fact, one CUB is worth ten Jim Thompson's. One CUB is worth 100 Jim Thompson's. We ought to put this Amendment on and vote down the Motion to table."

"Representative Levin."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I, too, rise in opposition to the Motion to table Amendment #2. The CUP Bill has received overwhelming support from this House as well as from the Senate, and we have an opportunity by defeating this Motion to table to have a CUB that will be strong and effective. The public at this point, as we've talked about in the past, is tired of the spiraling rate increases, and they are looking to CUB. We are telling them that CUB can do the job to effectively represent the consumer interest. Accordingly, we must give CUB the tools in order to be able to do that job, so it is more than simply a paper organization. It is an organization that is effective. There is start-up. The utilities, under the legislation, are entitled to be repaid very quickly for the costs of the mailing. This simply provides the money in that until the CUB gets the adequate amount of dues that they can, in fact, operate effectively. 36  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF BEFBESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 22, 1983 68th Legislative Day I urge a vote against the Motion to table Amendment #2."

"Representative Winchester."

"Would the maker of the Motion yield to a guestion?"

"The Gentleman indicates he'll yield."

"In your Motion to table, I assure that if Amendment #2 is tabled, all the contents of Amendment #2 wculd be eliminated. Is that correct?"

"Yes."

"SOBE of us are concerned about the money that would be in Amendment #2 for the Energy and Natural Resources fcr the Coal Research Board, so if Amendment #... If the Motion to table is adopted, then that fund would be removed also. Is that correct?"

"Yes, that's right."

"Thank you."

"House will stand at ease. Representative Barnes."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker..."

"Representative Parnes."

"Would you take the record... take this Bill out of the record for about five minutes, Mr. Speaker?"

"Yes, we'll return tc this Bill. The Gentleman's point is vell taken, and we'll make corrections... back to the Fill. For what reason does the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Bullock arise?"

"Thank you, Nr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I request leave to be added to as affirmative vcte on Senate Bill 225. It passed 116 to nothing."

"The Gentleman asks leave to be added to the Roll Call as a 'yes' vote on Senate Pill 225. Is there objections? Leave is granted. Senate Bill 378. Bead the Pill, Mr. Clerk."

"Sepate Bill 378, a Bill for an Act making 37  STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983 appropriations to the Court of Claims. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 and 2 were adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #3, Barnes, amends Senate Bill 378 by deleting line 13 on page one and inserting in lieu thereof..."

"Representative Barnes."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, Amendment #3 merely corrects a technical discrepancy between Committee Amendments 1 and #2. The net affect is to reduce contractual services by 1,500 dollars."

"Is there discussion? Feing no discussion, the Lady moves to adopt Amendment #3 to Senate Bill 378. All in favor say aye", those opposed "go". The Amendment's adopted. Are there further Agendaents?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Beading. Crder of Senate Bills Third (sic-Second) Reading is Senate Fill 379. Bead the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 379, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the ordinary and contingent expense of the Illinois Criminal Justice Infcruation Authority- Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Amendment #2 was withdrawn in Committee. Floor Amendment #3, Barnes, amends Senate Eill 379 by deleting line..."

"Bepresentative Earnes, Amendment #3." 38  STATE OF ILLINGIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION [ЕВАТЕ 68th Legislative Day

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen Amendment implements June 22, 1983 of the House, this operations budget the House GCE proposal by reducing professional and artistic services 23,200 dollars and instate travel 500 dollars for a total of 23,700 dollars. I would recommend an 'aye" vote."

"Is there discussion? Eeing no discussion is, the question is, Shall this Amendment be adopted?" All those in favor vote "aye", opposed 'no". The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment's adopted. Any further Amendments?"

"No further Arendments,"

"Third Reading. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading is Senate Bill 380. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk." a

"Senate Bill 380, Eill for an Act making appropriations for the ordinary and ccotingent expense for the Illinois Environmental Facilities Financing Authority. Second Reading of the Bill. No Corsittee Amendments."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Appearing cD the Order of Senate Bills Second Beading is Senate Bill 381. Bead the Bill, Mr. Cleck."

"Senate Bill 381, a Bill fçr an Act making appropriations for the ordinary and contingent expense of the Environmental Protection Адецсу. Second Reading of the Bill. Anendrents #1, 2, 3 and 4 were adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motiops filed."

"Any Floor Amendsents?"

"Floor Amendment 15, Leverer 2 Mautinc, amends 39  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983 Senate Bill 381 on page nine..."

"Representative Leverenz, Amendment #5."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I sponsored an Amendment that deleted a four million dollar Antipollution Bond Fund project for a sewer treatment construction project in Committee. I am restoring that now on the House floor by Amendment #5. It is agreed on this side to adopt the Amendment. Thank you."

"Is there discussion? There being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #5 be adopted?' All those in favor... All those in favor will say 'aye', those opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment's adopted. Are there further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #6, Leverenz, amends Senate Bill 381 as amended on page one line nineteen and so forth."

"Representative Leverenz."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This would make certain reductions in equipment line items in the administrative area of public water supplies, air pollution control, water pollution control, land pollution control, laboratory services and EDP, and I would move for the adoption of Amendment #6 to Senate Bill 381."

"Is there discussion? Representative Barnes."

"Well, Mr. Chairman, I really think this Amendment would curtail the Department's operations, and I would really recommend a 'no' vote."

"Representative Winchester."

"Was this Amendment offered in the Appropriations Committee? Would the Sponsor yield to a question?"

"The Gentleman indicates he will."

"Was this a... an Amendment that was offered in Appropriations Committee at any time?"

"No, Sir. It's a Floor Amendment." 40  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 22, 1983 68th Legislative Day

"Can you... Would you in more specific detail outline the purpose of the Amendment?"

"This is the equipment line items for the Environmental Protection Agency, and..."

"Well, does this specifically affect any particular EPA facility around the State of Illinois?"

"No, Sir, it just affects the agency."

"Well, why... Why do you feel now that it's necessary that the agency's budget be reduced by that amount?"

"Well, for one good reason, we don't have a tax increase yet."

"Oh, that's interesting, coming from your side of the aisle. I think that in the Appropriations Committee that both sides offered Amendments that pretty much reduced the appropriation for the CCE for the Environmental Protection Agency to practically a bare bones budget, and I would ask that we oppose Amendment #6."

"Is there further discussion? Representative Leverenz to close."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This simply eliminates all the equipment money for the various parts of the Environmental Protection Agency that I mentioned before. And I would move for the adoption of Amendment #6 to Senate Bill 381."

"The question is, Shall Amendment #6 be adopted? All those in favor will vote 'aye', those opposed will vote 'no'. The voting is open. Yourell 'aye'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Take the record, Mr. Clerk. On this... Representative Henry. I mean Representative Koehler from Henry. You don't look like Representative Henry."

"Well...Well, thank you, Mr. Speaker. I...I certainly appreciate you calling me Representative Henry. I'm quite 41  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983 honored. I have also been called Representative Taylor cn many occasions. The name Koehler and Taylor being..."

"And cther things as well."

"I...I do appreciate that. But, I wanted to explain my vote, Mr. Speaker, is it too late to do that?"

"Go right ahead."

"Has the record been taken? I think it is important I would rise in opposition to this particular Amendment, in the fact, that we have been giving the Environmental Protection Agency more and more responsibility. They have new investigative powers. They have new powers that would require them to complete lists of toxic waste and various other special wastes. And I think that it is important that we not reduce their budget at a time when we are giving them increased responsibilities. So I would urge the Members to think carefully about this before voting on this measure. Thank you."

"On this question, there are 64 voting aye", 48 voting 'no'. This Bill, having received a favorable Majority, is here... This Amendment, having received a favorable Majority, is hereby adopted. Are there further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading is Senate Bill 382. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 382, a Bill for an Act making an appropriation to the Environmental Protection Trust Fund Commission. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Appearing on the Order of 42  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REFRESENTATIVES TRANSCBIFTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Cay June 22, 1983 Senate Bills Second Reading is Senate Bill 383. Bead the Fill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 383, a Bill for an Act making ap appropriation for the ordinary and contingent expense of the office of State Fire Marshal. Second Beading cf the Bill. Amendments #1, 2, 3 and 5 were adcpted in Committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"A Motion to table Amendment #3 by Representative Leverenz."

"Bepresentative Leveren2."

"Yes, the Motion to table Amendment #3 is a courtesy to the esteemed Committeeran frce southern Illincis which would move the money for boiler inspection. And I would ask everyone to vote with me to table Amendment #3."

"Is there discussion? Peing no discussion is, the question is, 'Shall Arendment #3 to Senate Bill 383 be tabled? All those in favor will say 'aye, opposed 'no. The ayes have it. The Amendment is tabled. Are there further Arendments?"

"No further Arendrents."

"Thir... Third Reading. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading is Senate Bill 384. Bead the Fill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 384, a Eill for an Act raking an appropriation for the ordinary and contingent Expense of the Department of Insurance. Second Feading of the Eill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Mctions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Appearing on the Crder of 43  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983 Senate Bills Second Reading is Senate Bill 385. Bead the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 385, a Bill for an Act making an appropriation for the ordinary and contingent expense of the Local Government Law Enforcement Officers Training Board. Second Reading of the Fill. Arendments #1, 2 and 3 were adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?

"Floor Amendment #4, Barnes, amends Senate Bill 385 by deleting line 18 and so forth."

"Representative Barnes."

"Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Amendment #4 is a technical Amendment that adds $28,260.00 to contractual services to correct the technical discrepancy between Amendment #1 and Amendment #2. I would recommend that we do adopt it."

"Is there discussion? There being no discussion is, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #4 be adopted? All those in favor will say 'aye, those opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Are there further Arendments?"

"No further Arendments."

"Third Beading. Appearing on the Crder of Senate Bills Second leading is Senate Bill 386. Bead the Bill, dr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 386, a Fill for an Act making an appropriation for the ordinary and contingent expense to the Department of Nuclear Safety. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendments #1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 were adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions filed?" 44  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading is Senate Bill 387. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 387, a Bill for an Act making an appropriation for the ordinary and contingent expense of the Pollution Control Board. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendments #1 and 2 were adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #3, Barnes, amends Senate Bill 387 as amended."

"Representative Barnes."

"Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, Amendment #3 adds $2,850.00 from the General Revenue Fund, for travel, for board hearings and staff training seminars which was reduced in Amendment #2. I would recommend do adopt."

"Is there discussion? Representative Leverenz."

"There is... It's kind of loud on the floor, maybe we can have some order, but is this the Republican policy decision on cuts and travel, et cetera?"

"Yes, Representative."

"To the... How much?"

"$2,850.00."

"Well, I think that's an outstanding Amendment. I hope it's adopted."

"Is there further discussion? The Lady wish to close? The question is, 'Shall Amendment #3 be adopted?' The All those in favor will say 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 45  STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day 'ayes June 22, 1983 have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Appearing on the Crder of Senate Bills Second Reading is Senate Bill 388. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 388, a Bill for an Act making an appropriation for the ordinary and contingent expense to the Department of Revenue. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendments #1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, and 10 were adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Representative Vinson."

"Mr. Speaker, inquiry of the Chair."

"Proceed."

"Is the reason why you're moving through these so quickly, and the Clerk is reading through the Amendments and the Motions so quickly, the fact that you haven't dealt with appropriation Bills before in the Session?"

"Would you say that again, Sir?"

"Is the reason you're trying to move so quickly through these appropriation Bills simply a reflection of the fact that you haven't dealt with appropriation Bills earlier in the Session?"

"No, the answer is no."

"I see. Why then?"

"Well, I would thought I was moving rather slowly. I was going to speed it up a little bit. Any further inquiries? Any further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments." 46  STATE OF ILLINGIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF BEPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 22, 1983 68th Legislative Day

"Third Reading. Affearing on the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading is Senate Bill 389. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 389, a Bill for an Act making an appropriation for the ordinary and contingent expense to the Department of Transportation. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendments #1, 2, 3, 4, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28 were adopted in Comittee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Appearing cn the Crder of Senate Bills Second Reading in Senate Eill 390. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 390, a Bill for ar Act making certain appropriations to the Department of Transportation. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendrents #1, 2 and 3 kere adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #4, Farnes, amends Senate Bill 390 as amended on page 13, line 29."

"Representative Earnes."

"MI Speaker, Ladies and GentlemED of the Bouse. Amendment #4 is a no dollar change. It merely breaks out a Series E reappropriation in conformance with the Comptroller ruling. I would reccomend do adopt."

"Is there discussion? Representative Leverenz."

"I rise in support of the Arendrent. The Lady is simply brilliant today, and 1 hope we adopt this 47  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983 Representative Barnes took out in Amendment #2. In Committee, the testimony was that this money would be needed in order to maintain these downstate offices and meeting places. I've discussed this with Representative Barnes, and I believe the Lady is in agreement with us. I move for the adoption of this Amendment."

"Representative Ropp."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. What this actually does to it, it saves your constituents sizable amounts of travel money too. We're spending money for one judge or one adjudicator, and you're saving the money on... Maybe in my particular area, we have about a hundred people a month that go to these kinds of court cases plus their attorneys, and that's really saving your own people tremendous amounts of money for a small amount of tax dollars. I urge your favorable support."

"Representative Barnes."

"Mr...Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I'm in agreement with Amendment #3, and I would recommend an 'aye' vote."

"The Gentleman moves the adoption of Amendment #3 to Senate Bill 391. All those in favor will say 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Are there further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading is Senate Bill 392. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 392, a Bill for an Act making an appropriation for the ordinary and contingent expense of the Department of Aging. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendments #1 and 2 were adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions filed?" 49  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 68th Legislative Day

Clerk O'Brien: 392."

"No Motions filed." "Any Floor Amendments?" June 22, 1983 "Ficor Amendment #3, Leverenz, amends Senate Bill "Representative Leverenż."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I wish to...I wish to withdraw Amendment #3."

"Arendment Amendments?" Clerk O'Brien: #3 is withdrawn. Further "Floor Amendment #4, Oblinger, amends Senate Pill 392 on page five by inserting between lines 30 and 31 the following and so forth."

"Bepresentative Oblinger." Gentlemen of the House, We passed a 112 to nothing guaranteed that medical "Mr. Speaker and Ladies and this is a amount of $100,000. the substantive Bill 285 which schools and nursing schools which were willing and able to have geriatric medicine courses, this would te grants them. And I'm sure that most of you would agree that this is a phase of medical knowledge that has to be expanded. It would be for the training of their students, and I would request a favorable Foll Call vote on 392."

"Representative Bowman."

"Will the Lady yield for a question?"

"She indicates she will."

"Okay. I believe you said it ras a $100,000. to Did you...I don't...but I don't believe that you've indicated which funds these wonies shall be expended from?" Oblinger:

"From the General Revenue Fund." "These are a $100,000 of the General Revenue Funds, Okay. Did you indicate what the position of the Department is on the Amendment?"

"The Department has been neutral on it." 50  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENEBAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 68th Legislative Day

"I"...I'm sorry, repeat that again."

"The Department has been neutral on this." June 22, 1983

"Oh, so the Department is neutral abcut this expenditure of $100,000 in General Revenue Funds. Well, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I will have no objection to this. I'm neutral too."

"Is there further discussion? The Lady like to close?"

"Yes. This Bil bas been given a great deal of publicity. 'Park Davis is starting a new program and has cited this Bill as a model Eill they wish other states to look at and adopt, because of the fact that this is a necessary ingredient now in medical schools and nursing schools. It's on Third Reading in the Senate, and I would appreciate a favorable Roll Call."

"The question is, Shall Amendment #4 be adopted? All those in favor say 'aye, opposed no. The ayes have it. The Amendment is adopted. Απε there further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #35, Oblinger, amends Senate Bill 392.

"Fepresentative Oblinger."

"Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, this is for RSVF. RSVP cow has over a million hours af volunteer services, most of which are given tc state and not-for-profit agencies. If multiplied by four dollars, which is probably the minimum wage, they are saving us over seven million dollars a year. These services are services that, otherwise, the state would have to provide such as the rules of the road, they do this as volunteers. They do the screening. They do the circuit breaker, and in addition, they do a number of services for shut-ins and for people who are elderly. If you'd like to know what your 51  STATE OF ILLINGIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF BEFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983 RSVP does, I have here a list of the ones throughout the state, how many volunteers served, what hours they've served and how much money they're saving. They've increased their number of hours from 1.3 million to 1.9 million, but have never received any additional funds. In addition, the Federal Government use to give them 75%, and they had to bave...come up with 25 matching. It's now reduced to 65%, and they have to come up with 35 matching, and the state has never increased the amount of money. It might be interesting that the pecple 60 to 69...there are 3,500 volunteers, 70 tc 79 over 5,000 vclunteers, 80 to 84, 1,400 volunteers, and over 85, 478 volunteers. If you'd like to know what your RSVP does, I have those figures here and would be glad to answer any questions on this."

"Is there discussion? Being no discussion is, the question is, Shall Amendment #5 be adopted? All those in favor will say 'aye", opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Are there further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #6, Nautinc, amends Senate Bill 392."

"Representative Mautinc."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Amendment #6 to Senate Bill 392 allocates $30,000 which is the third of the cost of a building for the Senior Citizen Coalition of Spring Valley. What happen was the Kauffman" Garment Company moved out of the city. The senior citizens in conjunction with the city, and the prior owner of the property have stated that if the city comes up with their share, and he would donate his share, and if the grant were available, it would go to the senior citizens of the area fcr continual Use. And that's what the Amendment does."

"Is there discussion? Representative Reilly." 52  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEВАТЕ 68th Legislative Day

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, House. to June 22, 1983 Ladies and Gentlemen too. of the I am going suffort your other Amendment, Representative Mautino. I can't let you have a free day all together. The Department, a.s I understand, it is opposed to this Amendment, and I would be No doubt it's a good purpose. But alsc, nc doubt each one of us could think of a specific senior center in cur district that could use some money too. On that basis, we could be here a long time and the Bill would get very heavy. And I think there is just a mistake for us to be looking in...in an OCE Pill looking at specific projects in specific districts, because there is no win to that if we start it. So, I would oppose the Gentleman's Amendment."

"Representative Bowman."

"Well...Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I'm sorry to hear about the opposition to this Amendment. I thought we were very cooperative on cur side of the aisle in letting Oblinger's Amendments go on for the total of a $180,000, and now this Representative is a $30,000 Amendment. 1 think that the spirit of fairness suggest that we should put this Amendment on toc."

"Is there further discussion? Representative Oblinger to close? No. The question is, 'Shall Amendment #6 to Senate Bill 392 be adopted? All those in favor will vote 'aye', those opposed will vote 'no". The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Take the record, Mr. Clerk. On this question, there are 74...76 voting 'aye, 39 voting "no". This Fill, having received the... This Amendment, having received the favorable Majority, is hereby declared adopted. Are there further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments,"

"Third Reading. Appearing On the Order of 53  STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983 Senate Bills Second Reading is Senate Eill 393. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 393, a Bill for an Act making an appropriation for the ordinary and contingent expense of the Department of Children and Family Services. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendments #1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 were adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #6, McGann, amends Senate Bill 393 on page 17, line 18 and so forth."

"Representative McGano."

"Yes, Mr..."

"Representative Reilly, for what reason do you rise?"

"It's my understanding this Amendment has not been distributed."

"Mr. Clerk? The Amendment is not printed. Out of the record."

"No, no, nc, not out of the record, I move to table this and any other further Amendments that may have been filed."

"Representative Leverenz."

"Oh, it has not been distributed?"

"It has not been distributed or printed."

"Thank you for the answer."

"Representative Reilly..."

"Yeah, I..."

"...move to table Amendment #6 to Senate Bill 393. All those in favor will say aye'. Mautino, for what reason do you rise? Wrong Fill. The Gentleman has moved to table Amendment #6 to Senate Bill 393. All those in favor will vote aye, those opposed will vote "no". The 54  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSENELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day voting is open. June 22, 1983 Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? On this question, there are...On this question... Take the record, Mr. Clerk. On this question, there are 74 vating aye, 31 vcting "pc". The Gentleman's Mction... Representative McGann, did ycu...?"

"Hr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I will appreciate very much a "no" vote on this. I... I want to have this Amendment heard when it's teen distributed."

"Bave all voted who wish? Take the record, ΜΕ. Clerk. Mr. Clerk, dump the Boll Call. Representative Reilly."

"NOW We can get into a brouhaha over this. It is long standing practice automatically a courtesy to the Sponsor of the Bill that if an Arendment has not been printed at the time that the Bill was called, the Sponsor is entitled to move it to Third. Now, we can get into a brouhaha. You've got more votes. You can beat us on this, but it will be a brouhaha. And it...it...this is a question on Representative McGann's Amendment, that I think both sides of the aisle, the Leadership will be united in trying to do what Representative McGann wants in Conference Committee, but if we're going to be strung out here on the floor, that will not be helpful to the cause that bepresentative McGann wants to serve, and that I want to serve."

"Your Motion is in order, Representative Reilly, and there were certain individuals requesting recognition. At that point, I recognize certain individuals. Now we will go to a Roll Call cn your Motion. Representative Vinson."

"What gives you the authority to dump a Roll Call at anytime? We adopted a specific rule in the last month, that specifies the way in which you change a rule Roll Call if people want to change before the Fcll Call is 55  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983 announced. You're suppose to give the Clerk time to change those numbers...thcse Members on the acll Call, That's the specific rule we adopted. You've got no authority to dump a Roll Call, and you shouldn't be doing it."

"In the judgment of the Chair, Bepresentative Vinson, there were certain individuals seeking recognition that wanted to vote that has not been recorded. In my judgment, in the opinion of the Chair, there was enough 'aye' votes on this Motion of Mr. Feilly's, so that at there would had been any problems had we had another Foll Call. Now, we will go to a Boll Call right Dci. All those in favor of Hr. Vin... Beilly's Motion tc table Amendment #6 will vote 'aye', those opposed will vote 'no". The voting is open. The House will be at ease. For what reason does the Gentleman from Cook, Representative McGann, arise?"

"Mr. Speaker, before the Roll Call is completed, 1 would ask leave to withdraw Amendment #26 to Senate Eill 393."

"The Amendment is withdrawn. Leave? Amendment's withdrawn. Therefcre, Representative Reilly's Motion tc table is not in order. The Amendment is withdrawn. Any further Asendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. House will be at ease. Representative Matijevich in the Chair."

"The House will come to crder. It now being the hour of 11 a.m, on page two cf the Calendar under Special Order of Business, the Subject Matter Senicr Citizens, and with the attention of all the Members, the Bills are listed, and I would hope that those Members who are Sponsors will be ready when your Bill is called. The first Bill cn the Crder of Call is Senate Eill 469, Stuffle. The Clerk will... Is Representative Stuffle here? Representative Stuffle here? With leave, we will 56  STATE OF ILLINGIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day take that out of the Order and return to it. 700, Jaffe - C'Connell. 700." June 22, 1983 Senate Bills The Clerk will read the Bill,

"Senate Bill 700, a Bill for an Act relating to the disclaimer of interest in property amending certain Acts connected herewith. Third Beading of the Bill."

"The Gentleman frcm Ccck, Representative Jaffe, on Senate Bill 700."

"Yes, MI...MI. Speaker and Members of the House, Senate Bill 700 is a Bill that was actually wanted by the Chicago Bar Association. And it really is a clean up Fill with regard to the Probate Act and the Act concerning disclaimer of succession under nontestamentary interest to provide acceleration of future interest. We've gone over this in Committee. It came out of Committee 16 to nothing. I don't think that there are any questions on it. The only reason we didn't put it on the Consent Calendar is because it was sort of a lengthy Bill, and I would be happy to answer any questions with regard to it."

"The House will be at ease for one moment. Representative Jaffe has moved for the passage of Senate Bill 700- There being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall Senate Bill 700 pass?' Those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those ofposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 111 'ayes', no *nays* and Senate Bill 700, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Senate Bill 469, Stuffle is now here. The Clerk will read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 469, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Pension Code. Third Reading of the Eill1."

"The Gentleman from Vermilion, Representative 57  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENEBAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day Stuffle: Stuffle," June 22, 1983 "Yes, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, Senate Bill 469 is an Amendment to the State University Retirement System Article that provides for a change in the early retirement option that's been in place for a nuaber of years. It's been working well in that system and in the downstate teacher system. This particular Amendment provides, specifically, clarifying language regarding the contribution rate of employees and employers, who elect the early retirement option to buy out their discount. It also provides it in considering the early retirement option, we consider both the employee's age of those employees between age 55 and 60, or the years of service if they have less than thirty-five years in determining whether or not and to what extent the discount applies. Currently, we only consider age in this issue. In considering only age means that you discriminate, if you will, against those who may have extended service, but may not be quite 60 years of age. This particular Amendment, I believe, will foster to a greater extent the program already in place, which has saved the state a considerable amount of money in terms of salaries by being able to let people take early retirement, bring in lower paid people into this system and to the other system I referred to earlier. I would ask for your affirmative vote on this particular Bill. It passed out of the Senate with a 56 to nothing vote, and unanimously cut of the Committee on Pensions and Personnel in the House on a 13 to nothing vote."

"Representative Stuffle has moved for the passage of Senate Bill 469. On that, the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Cullerton."

"Will the Sponsor yield?"

"He indicates he will. Proceed." 58  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF BEPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983

"Representative Stuffle, what is the position of the Pension Laws Commission with regard to this particular Bill?"

"Representative Stuffle."

"Consistent with their overall position, they're opposed. They're opposed to all Bills that deal with the early retirement regardless of their impact on saving the state's taxpayers money in salaries."

"Okay. The... The point then would be whether or not this saves the State's taxpayers salaries, or whether it results in abcut a $100,000 less being contributed to the pension system. Isn't it true that there would be less money being contributed to the pension system?"

"About a $100,000. Your other question about the salaries, the offset in our experience in the system, Representative, this system and the other one is that WE saved millions of dollars each year that the early retirement options been in place. And the front money, if you will, that comes from the employees and the employers has paid for benefits down the line because of this and made up for the lose in the syster's reduction, if you will, in this payment and in the future benefits. The savings that we have been able to accrue in salaries have occurred to the tune of millions of dollars. The front money that we've gotten to buy the discount out has been enough up front to pay for benefits down the line for many years. It's a program that's working."

"Well, I agree with you then, that if the teachers want to support a Bill, it puts a hundred thousand dollars less in their pension fund that they should be entitled to have that, so we should vote for the Bill."

"Representative Stuffle tc close."

"Well, I think the Eill has been adequately presented, 59  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENEBAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCEIPTION CЕБАТЕ 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983 hopefully. I would ask for ycur affirmative vote, and merely indicate to you, that as we've argued the early retirement issue year after year, the Fension Lavs Commission has refused to lock at the cost saving aspects. Down the line to the systems, they lock only at the initial cost aspects. They haven't looked at the savings in dollars, and they have been to the tune of millions of dollars in savings to taxpayers in salaries. This program has made it possible to create new jobs and keep people off of unemployment. I would ask for your affirmative vote on this particular Bill."

"Representative Stuffle has moved for the passage of Senate Bill 469. The question is, 'Shall Senate Fill 469 pass?' Those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 89 'ayes', 27 'nays', 1 voting 'present', and Senate Pill 469, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Senate Bill 776, Representative Cullerton. The Clerk will read the Fill."

"Senate Bill 776, a Bill for an Act in relation to the deferral of payments of real estate taxes by persons 65 years of age and over. Third Reading of the Eill."

"The Gentleman from Cock, Representative Cullerton, on Senate Pill 776."

"Thank you, ΜΕ.. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This Bill would create a nes Act, the Senior Citizens Real Estate Tax Deferral Act. The theory behind this Bill is very similar to the concept of a reverse mortgage. It would only apply to taxpayers whose household income is ten thousand dollars or less and who will be a senior citizen, that being 65 years CI over. Basically, 60  68th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE June 22, 1983 what will happen would be that the taxpayers would apply to the county collector for a deferral of all or part of their property taxes. A fund would be set up in the state that would reimburse the county for those property taxes. The taxpayer would have to pay back the money that was owed in taxes when the property was sold, or when the taxpayer died. The state would receive 6% interest on the money that they had lent in affect to those senior citizen taxpayers. The amount of the appropriation, of course, which is not included in this Bill is going to be a one time transfer of $330,000. That gets the fund started. And then once that money is lent and other property taxes are paid, when the property is transferred or the taxpayer dies, the money will keep on being put into the fund. So this is the only amount we would need to start the fund. Many senior citizens find themselves in a situation where they don't have to pay a mortgage, however, they have to pay property taxes. The value of their home increases dramatically, and yet, they are on a fixed income. In this case, we're talking about people who make less than ten thousand dollars. They don't want to give up their home that they have lived in for their whole life, in many cases, where they have raised their children, but they're being penalized because of property values have increased and the taxes has increased. What this says is the state is going to, in effect, lend that money to those taxpayers until the taxpayer dies and money can be paid back to the state, because of the sale of the home, or until the senior citizen himself decides to sale the home. I think it's a very good concept. The Bill was very well drafted by Senator Berman. It's a very minimal initial expense to the state, which will be made up for when the interest of 6% is paid to the state for the fund. I would ask for your 61  68th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF BEPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 22, 1983 support of this Bill for the senior citizens."

"Representative Cullerton has moved for the passage of Senate Bill 776. On that, the Gentleman from Kendall, Bepresentative Hastert."

"Will the Sponsor yield?"

"Yes, I will." Hastert: First "Representative Cullerton, a couple of questions. of all, in explaining your Pill here, you've talked about collectors, what about counties that don't have collectors? How does it work there?"

"Well the point is that, the county is not going to lose any money."

"I know that, but, you know, you've also set up in this Bill some mechanics, and there are so many, many counties in the state that don't have collectors. And if the mechanics of this Bill is faulty, I'm not sure how it would work."

"Well, I...I'm not sure what your question is, so I..."

"Well, you said in your explanation that collectors would set up this default of payment or reverse mortgage on taxes or whatever. I'm asking what happens in counties that don't have collectors?"

"I imagine it will be the county treasurer. Whoever... Somebody collects the taxes."

"Well, that's what I'm asking. Does the treasurer do this then instead of the collector?"

"I...I'm not positive. I'd have to look at the specific language of the Eill."

"Alright. The second question. Does, in fact, this Bill... Was this Bill amended in the Senate that says that the General Assembly in future years sill or may, I guess you'd say, appropriate General Revenue Funds to fund this 62  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY BOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEFATE 68th Legislative Day program?" Cullerton: to June 22, 1983 "Well......I don't know that it was amended in the Senate. The Senate Sponsor indicated to me, that it's his intention cnly transfer $330,000 to this new deferred tax revolving fund. That then would be... In other words, the cap would be whatever we decide to appropriate. And the Sponsors of this $330,000." legislation are only asking for

"Do you...is there... Is the mechanism of the bookkeeping... Dc know to local you what the cost government as far as keeping track of who owes money, and who doesn't owe money, and what the interest rates, is that on... is that burden on the local government?" Cullerton: They "I don't see that there is being a big prcbles. now have to collect the property taxes from the senior citizens. Instead of collecting from the senior citizens, they will collect it from the...from the state. The 6% interest calculations would have to be done by the state. They're the cnes that would be reimbursed, so they're the ones that would have the cbligation of collecting the tax when the property was sold, or when the taxpayer died."

"In your Bill, if I remember reading it correctly, you talked about an 80%... at least a 20%, the other half cf that will be a 20% cushion that you couldn't, you know, pay more than 80% of the value of the house..."

"That's correct."

"What in areas...In many areas, that 1 know in my district, where some senior citizens live that they really haven't put a lot of money in the house, and they're kind of paying out, and the neighborhood declines. What if because of deflation or the lowering of the cost, what happens if, in fact, you've used up, let's say 75% c.f the value of the hose in paying your taxes and all of a sudden 63  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEPATE 68th Legislative Cay June 22, 1983 there is a reappraisal of that area, and we find out that all of a sudden the house devalues, and the neighborhood devalues, and the cost of that parcel now is raybe a 110% used up in taxes."

"Well, first of all, most property...most property in the state increases in value with tise and with inflation. If you describe a situation where the property values decrease, of course, the tax rates will decrease. The assessed valuation will decrease, and the actual taxes will decrease, SC there will be less of a need for that particular senior citizen to defer the taxes. But if that happened, obviously, the 80% figure would be... would be exceeded, and there could be no more tax deferral. And I imagine...I mean, the obligation to pay the taxes is still there. The taxpayer would still, if the property was sold, would still have the obligation of paying the taxes, if they were still short after the sale price, they would still have the personal obligation to pay the taxes."

"Thank you, Representative. Mr. Speaker, to the Bill."

"Froceed, Representative Eastert." stert: "Ladies and Gentlemen of the House and Mr. Speaker, we're in a tire that we're discussing what is the role cf state, and what is the role of local government in funding local governments, and what is the Icle cf state as far as funding, also, local governments. We're setting a precedent with this Bill, and the Eill that was discussed a great deal in Committee and came out on a split vote. We're discussing here a situation where the state has an appropriating money to pay subsidized taxpayerS taxes to local government. We're also at a time in saying we're going to have to raise income taxes in this state to offset those taxes in local government. le alsc put into this Bill legislation by Amendment in the Senate that says, 64  68th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENEGAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIFTION LEBATE June 22, 1983 future General Assemblies may appropriate General Revenue Funds to do this. I think we're setting a very very dangerous precedent. I... you know, I think the Sponsor of this Bill both in the House and the Senate had very, very good intentions, but, you know, what is cur role? Are we going to get in the... into the mortgage business and into the reverse mortgages? I don't think that's our role to do that. I think it's a dangerous precedent, and I urge your 'no' vote."

"The Gentleman fron Madison, Bepresentative Wolf."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield to a question?"

"He indicates he will. Froceed."

"Yeah, Representative Cullerton, in the analysis that indicates that there is going to be a one time transfer of funds, that's correct?"

"Yes, that is correct."

"That's going to be transferred from the lottery funds?"

"That's correct."

"Then how does this Bill dcvetail with the Fill that was passed yesterday of Representative McMaster's, where we're going to transfer all of the lottery funds to education?"

"Well, the initial...cf course, this Bill passed the Senate prior to that other Fill passing. The point is, that if it doesn't come from the lottery fund, because the lottery fund has до money in it, it would come from the General Revenue Fund."

"I'm sorry, I didn't hear that answer."

"It will come from the General Revenue Fund if there is no money in the lottery fund, if the other bill is signed and this Fill is signed."

"Thank you very much." 65  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day

"There being nc further discussion, Representative DeJaegher to close."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the General Assembly. From time to time you may read in your local newspapers that a senior citizen who has been paying taxes all of their life and for sore particular reason through emergencies, et cetera, medical cost make it prohibitive for them to pay their real estate tax. All sere asking for, is to return them rightful status again of not losing their home. It's a Bill that requires not a tremendous amount of funding. It'll be a tremendous asset for those seniors when they're confronted with that tax Bill, and having no money to pay for it and then possibly losing their home. Hopefully, that all of you will support this very fine Bill. Thank you."

"Bepresentative Cullerton and CeJaegher has moved for the passage of Senate Bill 776. The question is, Shall Senate Bill 776 pass?" Those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'nc'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 76 ayes, 34 'nays", one voting present and Senate Bill... Bepresentative Slape 'aye". 77 'ayes, 34 nays, 1 present, and Senate Bill 776, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Senate Bill 82C, Kulas. The Clerk will read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 820, a Bill for an Act to amend the Unified Code of Corrections. Third Reading of the Bill."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Kulas."

"Thank you, Иг. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Senate Bill 820 would amend the Unified Ccde of Corrections to provide that one of the aggravating factors 66  68th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF BEPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 22, 1983 which a court shall consider in imposing a sentence is that the victim of the offense was a person 60 year of age or older. Furthermore, the court may consider this factor for purposes of imposing a more severe sentence. I think it's a good Bill to protect our senior citizens, and I would ask for a favorable Boll Call."

"Eepresentative Kulas has moved for the passage of Senate Bill 820. There being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall Senate Eill 820 pass?' Those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 112 'ayes', no 'nays'. Representative Hastert 'aye'. 113 'ayes', no 'nays', and Senate Eill 820, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. The next Bill on the Order of Call is Senate Eill 850 (sic-859), which appears on the Crder of Second Reading. 8... Senate Bill 859, Bullock. The Clerk will read the Bill on the Order of Second Reading."

"Senate Bill 859, a Eill for an Act to amend the Revenue Act. This Bill has been read a second time previously."

"Amendments?"

"No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the flcCI?"

"Amendment #1, Bullock, asends Senate Bill 859."

"The Gentleman fron Cook, Bepresentative Bullock, on Amendment #1."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 859 originally deals with the general homestead exemption. Amendment #1 sould add to this Bill an increase in that senior citizens homestead exemption. As most of us know since 1969, we have not changed the 67  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCEIFTION CEBATE 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983 homestead exemption. And this is a program essentially for senior citizens, particularly, those who own their homes and this is a recurring reduction in a EAV. And we would, in fact, with this Amendment raise from 1,500 to the level of 2,000 the general homestead exemption. There are approximately 470,000 citizens in the state that would qualify for the program, and 170,000 of those are in Cook County. I suggest, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, that this measure is screly needed at a time when we have escalating property tax Eills for the seniors in Cook County. I would urge an 'ayed vote and would be glad to answer any questions that might arise."

"Representative Bullock moves for the adoption of Amendment #1. All those in favor signify by saying 'aye, opposed 'nay', and the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. And Bepresentative Bullock asks leave that Senate Bill 859 be considered immediately. Does he have leave? Leave. The Clerk will read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 859, a Bill for an Act to amend the Revenue Act. Third Reading of the Bill."

"The Gentleman frca Ccck, Representative Bullcck."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. The Bill as amended, I think, has been well explained in the initial opening remarks. This legislation, Senate Bill 859 as amended, amends the senior citizens and general homestead exemption and raises the level from 1,500 to $2,000 fcr property taxpayers over the age of 65. I know of no opposition to the measure, would be glad to answer any questions that might arise and would urge an 'aye' vcte." 68  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day

"Representative Bullock has moved for the June 22, 1983 passage of Senate Bill 859. On that, the Gentleman from DeWitt, Representative Vinson."

"Will the Gentleman yield for a question?"

"He indicates he will."

"Does the Bill do its underlying purpose of requiring cooperative housing associations to pass on property tax relief to the tenants?"

"You're absolutely correct, Representative Vinson. The original provision of the Bill did, in fact, and does, in fact, relate to the passing of that credit to the seniors within the cooperatives and the cooperative association. Similar legislation dealing with that subject, and that subject only, has passed this Body. I think it was on the Consent Calendar, House Bill 1426."

"It creates a criminal sanction for willfully failing to do so?"

"You are correct."

"What is the difference between willful, willfully and knowingly?"

"Well that's probably a term that you and Representative Cullerton have sort of coined in this Body. I would think that if the cooperative itself has knowledge and is able to...to circulate in written memorandum to the tenants of the building changes and regulations and failed to notify them of this credit availability, they would have knowingly violated the Act."

"Yeah, but the Act prescribes willful violations, and I'm concerned about what a willful violation is. Are you saying it is the same thing as knowing violation?"

"I'm sorry, I didn't hear you, Representative."

"Are you just saying that it's the same thing as a knowing violation?" 69  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day

"No, I'm not saying that at all. June 22, 1983 I'm just responding to your query relative to the difference between knowingly and willful. It has been discussed in this Body on many occasions by you and Representative Cullerton. I would prefer, in this language and in this Act, the term willful which means that if the cooperative, in fact, gets the credit, as surely they would, and refuses to transmit that credit to the qualifying person, then they would, in fact, be punishable by a Class E misdemeanor."

"Well, now...now I'm really confused, because you're saying that if they get the credit and they don't pass it on, that they're in violation. I presume the word willful imports something into that criminal sanction, and I just want you to tell me what that is."

"Well, maybe Representative Cullerton who is sort of our...our expert on those two terms could help me out of this one."

"Speaker, he's yielded to Representative Cullerton. Would you turn his mike on, please? Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, he's yielded to Representative Cullerton. Would you turn his microphone on, please?"

"Alright. Representative Cullerton on Vinson: the... Is that on the question of knowingly? The expert on knowingly." "The difference between knowingly and willfully in this concept."

"He's the expert. Representative Cullerton."

"Chapter 38, Section 4-5, Section B. It reads, 'Conduct performed knowingly or with knowledge is performed willfully within the meaning of the statute.'"

"So in this case, it's your judgment that willfully means the same as knowingly?"

"Yes." 70  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION СЕВАТЕ 68th Legislative Day

"Thank you."

June 22, 1983 "The Gentleman from Kendall, Representative Bastert."

"Would the Sponsor yield?"

"He indicates he will."

"Representative Bullock, with the Fill as amended now, okay, your original Bill just dealt with senior citizens. Is that correct?"

"Well, the original Bill and the Amendment deals with senior citizens, persons age 65."

"Right, and that's the cooperative housing, is that correct?"

"That's correct."

"Okay. Now..."

"They're both dealing with homestead exemption."

"Right. Now, in raising that, as the Bill is amended now, in raising the homestead exemptions, you're raising their homestead exemption to 1,500 to 2,000. Do you do that for the general populous also?"

"No, Sir."

"It's only for the senior citizens?"

"Yes, Sir. Yes, Sir. For senior citizens, and it includes those who might go into a nursing home alsc."

"Alright."

"Bepresentative Eullock tc close."

"I think Representative Ewing is seeking reccgnition. We wouldn't want to deny him that right."

"Oh, it was on, and it was off. Representative Tom Ewing. I'm sorry. Froceed."

"Would the Sponsor yield?"

"He indicates he will."

"Representative, have you any this to local governments?" estirates of the cost on 71  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day

June 22, 1983 "Well, I... I think that my guess is probably as good as yours, Representative. I cited in my cpening remarks the census that would be affected by this, something like 470,000 persons could conceivably take advantage of it - 170,000 of those from Ccck, the remaining 300,000 throughout the state. If you extrapolate that figure and say today individuals probably get somewhere in the neighborhood of a $110 credit and should we pass this Act, it would get maybe a $145 credit. And you could probably do your own extrapolations and come up with a figure that we all could agree with." the

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, sometimes you rise on a Bill like this which certainly has a worthy cause, and you realize that your comments are like blowing in the wind. But, we are adding tc exemption for senior citizens after a time in which our taxes and our growth at the local level and their expenses has been almost static for several years. We don't do this with the... under the guise of high inflation, high inflation in taxes or anything else, nor do we tie it to any need, any means test. This is for the rich as well as the poor. Ladies and Gentlemen, units of local government can only accept SO many exemptions from the property tax. This is another one. Though worthwhile, I think doubtfully, it is in good order at this time. Thank you."

"Before Representative Bullock closes, Representative Ray Christensen, who was not on the quorum call is Dow in attendance and is SO recorded. Representative Eullock to close."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I think the subject in Senate Fill 859 has been thoroughly discussed. Senior citizens across our state are being subjected to escalating property tax Bills. This, 72  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983 in fact, is a senior property tax relief measure. It's sorely needed in our state during these difficult economic times. I submit, Mr. Speaker, that it's long overdue. There has not been an increase since 1969, and this would provide a meager $35 per person tax relief. And I urge an 'aye vote."

"Representative Fullock has moved for the passage of Senate Bill 859. The question is, 'Shall Senate Bill 859 pass?' Those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 104 'ayes', 11 'nays', and Senate Bill 859 having, received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Senate Bill 972, Giorgi. The Clerk will read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 972, a Bill for an Act to provide tuition free courses for senior citizens. Third Reading of the Bill."

"The Gentleman from Winnebago, Representative Giorgi."

"Mr. Speaker, Senate Bill 972 says that each public institution of higher education permit senior citizens accepted for admission to enroll without payment of tuition in regularly scheduled classes provided available classroom space exists, and that the people that have paid their tuition have paid the cost of the course."

"Representative Giorgi has moved for the passage of Senate Bill 972. On that, Representative John Dunn."

"Will the Sponsor yield for a question?"

"Yes. Yes."

"Since it's difficult to tell where these Bills are on the Calendar, I don't know, are there Amendments on the Bill?" 73  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983

"Yeah, this one... A senior citizen is defined someone that receives less than the formal use for the Senior Citizens and Disabled Persons Property Tax Relief Act. And he has to be 65 years of age, and there has to be classroom space available after the cost of the providing that class has been provided for. In other words, it takes twenty people to pay a course, and there is thirty seats in the classroom, ten could be filled with senior citizens, but they have to pay their fees."

"But there is nothing in the Bill that says senior citizens who are eligible for circuit breaker, for example, are the only ones."

"NC. They have to be 65 years or oΨΕΙ."

"TO the Bill, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House."

"Proceed."

"I voted for practically every bit of senior citizens legislation as long as I have been a Meaker of the Illincis General Assembly. But in these difficult times when people are strapped for the money to attend cur four year colleges and universities, and now, they can't even find the money, a lot of them, tc attend our public community colleges which are located near our homes, it seems that we really shouldn't be doing this. If we're going to give a tuition break, WE should be giving a break to those who are entering the work force for the first time, rather than those who are senior citizens who have, and we all are grateful for this, who have completed their years in the work force, and who have, perhaps, some time on their hands and want to take a course to enrich their lives in the twilight years. And I think that's wonderful. That'd be wonderful in good times. But in present times, we can't afford something like this, which I understand, the fiscal 74  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983 impact will be about 250 to $400,000 per year. With that kind of money, we could fund a Bill that passed out of here yesterday for the guaranteed secondary loan market for students attending colleges under the Illinois State Scholarship Commission Award Programs, and we could provide for perhaps some reduction in tuition fees of our community colleges where we could provide some additional help to our institutions of higher education. Unfortunately, therefore, on behalf of the senior citizens who are a very understanding group, who have been through the trials and tribulations of life and know the realities of life, I'm sure they would understand if we did not pass this piece of legislation and said to them, what we're going to do is divert the money to the youngsters entering the work force for the first time. I believe they'd appreciate that. They'd understand it, and I think we should defeat this Bill. And I don't think we will receive one bit of criticism for it."

"The Gentleman from Dekitt, Representative Vinson."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I rise in support of Representative Dunn's comments and in opposition to the Bill. The Bill would have the effect of severely damaging higher education institutions in this state. It would cause them to expend money. When they expend that money on this purpose, they are fiscally stretched out. They are already in a very difficult financial position. Everybody is aware of the realities of the higher education budget. Some academic members are receiving salaries substantially below their counterparts. There are problems in the nonacademic employees. And at the same time, we're trying to bestow without any appropriation a further benefit on a group of people at the 75  STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF BEPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983 Now if you want expense of higher education in this state. higher education to do its real purpose and educate people and to prove productive, then you can't continue to saddle them with increased expenditures and with no increased revenues ΟΣ resources た。 fund those increased mandates with. I don't believe this is an appropriate Bill. I think it is a luxury that you might at best engage in in extremely good times, and these certainly are not good times. I would urge defeat of Senate Eill 972."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Bepresentative McGann: McGann." "Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the Assertly. 1 rise in strong opposition to this Senate Bill 972. I've always supported any programs for senior citizens, but this program the State of Illincis cannot afford. In the community colleges alone, the financial impact would be disastrous, especially in the City cf Chicago where we service thousands and thousands of senior citizens in programs in our community colleges. I wçuld ask that ycu vote this Eill down this time when the funds are needed throughout the state for higher education. We cannot afford to give anymore in this area. Flease vote it down. Thank you."

"The Lady from Sanganon, Oblinger."

Bepresentative Oblinger: "Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I've been amazed at the last three speakers. They're talking about the tremendous money we're going to spend on this progras It says senior citizens will not be allowed in the classes if there is nct available space. So they're not having extra classes for them. They already have the instructors. They have the materials. I can't understand where all this talk is coming about all this added expense. If there are fifteen 76  68th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 22, 1983 people in the class that's all that can be handled, there won't be any senior citizens allowed in, unless the instructor says, 'Yes, I can take a few more people.' Why are we saying it's going to cost us anymore? The class is there. The instructor's there. The materials are there. The room is there. What are we going to spend all this money you're talking about on. They're only allowed in, if there is space available. I don't understand where the money is coming from. I think it's a good Bill. We've done it in our community college for nine years. It has not cost them any extra money, and the seniors have accepted it when they've said, 'No, our enrollment for that class is filled. You can't be in it.' They say, 'Fine. We'll come back another time.' I don't know where all this money is being spent. I think it's a good idea if there is space available and the instructor is already present."

"The Lady from Champaign, Representative Satterthwaite."

"Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, the previous speaker has well made the point that this Bill is not open ended. It does not say that every senior citizen can have a space in any community college or university classroom. The safeguards are there to say that there have to be enough tuition paying students already enrolled in the class, and that there has to be available space. It does not seem to me that there is adds to the cost of running these programs. We know that many of our seniors are living much, much longer than they use to, and that it is possible for them to lead a productive life after the age of 65. Certainly, it would be our goal, I should think, to provide free education at all levels for all people, if we could possibly afford to do that. The senior citizens have earned that right. I feel that this Bill 77  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983 gives appropriate safeguards, and that we should be providing this educational opportunity for our seniors. I urge a 'yes' vote."

"The... Representative Dwight Friedrich."

"Well again, I say at a time when we are short of money, when cur schools are having trouble meeting their regular Bills, for the life of me, I can't understand why just being 65 entitles you to a free lunch. We've got a lot of young people who have their whole life ahead of them, who are trying to raise their families and get a little education on the side. We make them pay the full price, and here is someone who's had an opportunity all his life to get an education, and now you want to give him a free ride. I say that this is wrong. It's untimely, and we should defeat it."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Keane."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In order to answer some of the previous Representatives who spoke on this Bill, there will be a loss of money to many junior college systems which charge, presently charge seniors as they do everyone else for a class. What you will being doing if a junior college or an institution has 20% of those who are students, in their student body, you will lose 20% of that class, the income. The fact that the junior college in Springfield may not charge or may have an arrangement where they let senior citizens in, that's fine for Springfield, but I don't think the other institutions throughout the state can take the financial loss that this Bill would inflict upon them. I also think it's a bad Bill, because the senior citizens should be treated the same as any other citizen in Illinois. We have seniors who are much better off as other... a previous speaker has said, who has got...they 78  68th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCSIPTION CEBATE June 22, 1983 have a lot of...more stable. Their financial situation is much more stable than many of cur young families, where we have people who are trying to raise families, trying to...trying to raise families and pay for the tuition. If they give this to senior citizens, somecne is going to pay for it. The burden will be put cn the rest of the students, and they will have to carry the senior citizens, many of whom can well afford to pay the tuition. I urge a 'no' vote on this Fill."

"Representative Ropp."

"Yeah, Mr. Speaker, would the Sponsor yield, please?"

"He indicates he will."

"Just a couple of questions, Representative. Did you indicate in your opening remarks the number of potential...this might include?"

"Let me say for the record, that the Board of Higher Education has said that the cost will be approximately only a quarter of a million dollars to $400,000 only. And we're talking about giving the Board of Higher Education, in the event the Governor's tax program passes, another $181,000,000. Besides that, the grade junior college system that we all brag about to the rest of the country, only passed after referendums where these same senior citizens who aren't going to avail themselves to that junior colleges said, "Yes, you can tax my property to provide a junior college system for the children of Illinois." This is the kind of gratitude we're showing here today."

"One other question then, what is...how do you, or by what means do they show that they have an income of only 12,000. Is that what the previous...?"

"It's in the Fill. It's in the law."

"Well, could you explain it to me, please?" 79  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1963

"In the event, let's say that your junior college or your senior institution has a course offered and enough people sign up to pay for the course, and there are a half a dozen vacant seats, the senior citizen proves that he is 65 and makes less than the threshcld for the senior circuit breaker eligibility if he proves it."

"How do they...how do they prove that they have made less than $12,000. Is that on their income tax form or...?"

"Yes, on the form that's necessary to fill out for Senior Circuit Breaker Bill. We don't... Whether you know it or not, we take everyone's word for it in this state, as to what they make on a Senior Citizen Circuit Breaker form. Whatever they tell us they make, that's...that's...we take their word for it. If they're on there... Just like you file your own personal income tax, we take your word for it. We take their word for it. We're not questioning them at this stage in life."

"Thank you."

"The Gentleman from Grundy, Representative Christensen."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. I rise in support of this Bill, very strong support cf this Bill. As vas stated before, it's not going to cost any extra money. They can only get in when there is IGOB for them in a class. If we can't support cur senior citizens, give them a chance to get an education, the same ones that supported us when we needed an education, I think there is something wrong with this General Assembly. This is not going to cost anymore money, and I will like to see a 100% vote on this, 100% green."

"The Gentleman from Peoria, Representative Tuerk."

"Mr. Speaker, I move the previous question." 80  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 68th Legislative Day

June 22, 1983 "Well, it looks like everybody's through anyway. We will withdraw that, and Representative Giorgi to close."

"Mr. Speaker, this Bill has been thoroughly debated. And there is a sideliner, a side bar that some of the Members of the Assembly might enjoy, and that is there has been some complaints that the instructors around the state don't have enough people in their classrooms. We feel they're being overpaid for not having enough people in their classrooms. In this case, in a backhanded way, you might increase the classroom size. I urge the adoption of the Bill."

"Representative Giorgi has moved for the passage of Senate Bill 972. The question is, 'Shall Senate Bill 972 pass?' Those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 64 'ayes', 40 'nays', 6 voting 'present'. Senate Bill 972, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Senate Bill 1241, Alexander. The Clerk will read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 1241..."

"The Lady asks leave that Senate Bill 1241 be returned to the Order of Second Reading for the purpose of an Amendment. Does she have leave? Leave, the Bill is on Second Reading."

"Amendment #2, Madigan - Ecwman, amends Senate Bill 1241 and so forth."

"Representative Bowman on Amendment #2."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Amendment #2 is familiar to all of us. It is identical to House Bill 424 which passed out of this chamber last month. It provides a senior citizens 81  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REFBESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983 pharmaceutical assistance program. It would provide that the senior citizens could acquire an identification card by payment of $80. Once they get the identification card then for a two dollar copayment, they are eligible to acquire prescription pharmaceuticals, except from mood altering drugs and controlled substances. This Fill is the number one legislative priority of the Illincis Council of Senior Citizens Organizations. And testimony that they provided in Committee indicate that the average cut-of-pocket expense of nonreimbursed medical expense for your senior citizens in Illinois is over a thousand dollars, largely due to the fact that Medicare does not reimburse for out patient pharmaceuticals. The... Many of the seniors, while they are living on very, very modest means, do not gualify for Medicaid, and SO there is a gap in the health care services for senior citizens. This, I believe, is the last major gap, and Amendment #2 to Senate 1241 proposes to fill this gap. I believe we owe it to cur seniors, and I now move its adoption."

"Representative Bowman moves for the adoption of Amendment #2. Gn that, the Lady from Cock, Bepresentative Topinka."

"Yes. May I have leave to ask the Sponsor a question? Yes."

"Yes, leave. Froceed."

"Thank you. Is this the sare as what was House Bill 424, which was kind of similar to the legislation that had been put forth in states like New Jersey and things of this with quite a heavy price tag?"

"Representative, you got at least three questions wrapped up in there. Let me try to answer them in one step at a time. First of all, Arendment #2 before you which has been on your desk for a little while осы, I think you will 82  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983 discover is identical, identical tc House Bill 424 as amended as it left this chamber. Bowever, moving on to the second part of your question, to what extent did House Bill 424 compare to a program such as the ODE in New Jersey? Let me tell you that it is quite different from the one in New Jersey. There are several other programs around the country. Why don't you ask me how it's compared to Maine, or Maryland, or Delaware? All of these are quite different from one another. This is... fills the... tries to fill the same gap, but it does so in its can unique way. Now you asked me about the price tag. I believe that..."

"Yes, the price tag."

"...that was implicit in your question. So let ΠΕ respond. The fiscal note that was filed to House Bill 424 as amended and signed by J. Thomas Johnson, Director of the Department of Revenue, has as tcttom line four and a half million dollars."

"Do you know anything about a Eureau of the Budget expectation on this Bill of around 17,000,0002"

"Well, Representative..."

"I'm just asking, you know."

"No, I do not. The Eureau of the Budget has not seen fit to communicate with me. In fact, I'm not sure that we're on speaking terms, but I...I'm sure that we all know how the Bureau of the Budget likes to fudge around. I think the Department of Revenue has given a fretty decent fiscal note."

"Does not the Department of Fublic Health already, or Public Aid rather, already have a program similar to this in effect?"

"Well, there is a program in the Department of Fublic Aid which affects scme senior citizens; however, it does not affect nearly enough. There is in the Eill what is called 83  68th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIFTION CEBATE June 22, 1983 in the insurance industry a coordination of benefits clause, which says that if senior citizens qualify under the other program, that they do not ther qualify under this program. And conseguently, we are not duplicating anything for that class of senior citizens. We are, howevει, bringing into the fold, so to speak, those senior citizens who incomes are so modest, that we have seen fit to award them circuit breaker benefits. I think that anyone...any senior citizen in this state, whose income is so modest that the General Assembly have seen fit to award circuit breaker benefits, that person's inccse must of necessity te SO modest that they cannot afford the pharmaceutical cost of a thousand dollars per year which is the average. So, what I'm trying to do is to extend the...that kind of assistance to those other seniors. That's why it's only four and a half million dollars, cause we already picked up part of it is Fublic Aid."

"TWO ΠΟΓΕ very brief questions. Have you modified whatever was involved in House Eill 424, which had a problem as far as compensation back to small pharmacies to pay back for medication that would be used of this, cause it was Dy understanding and judging from their various associations, that there was no mechanist there that would allow for their payment and could effectively put them out of business?"

"Well, Representative Topinka, you didn't describe their problem very precisely. Let me assure you, however, that we did work with the...both Bajor pharmaceutical organizations in the state prior to the Bill being heard on Third Reading in the House. There was SCIE testimony in the Committee, and you serve on that Committee, you're the Spokesman, that they had some probless. But between the Committee hearing and Third Reading in the House, we... I 84  STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983 believe we worked those problems out. We did put it on... put on an Amendment, and they withdrew their opposition at that time."

"You have a signoff, therefore, from small pharmacies?"

"They...This is identical to the Bill which we passed out of the House, and that in that form, they had withdrawn their opposition."

"Okay. And my final question, is there... Apparently in House Bill 424, there was a problem or seemingly a problem with what could be construed as a way of federal dollars also coming to a person who could apply for this program, thus allowing them to apply on both the state and the federal fund and could lead to abuse. Has that been taken care of?"

"Yes, Ma'am, that was a question that was raised in Committee. And again, the Amendment on the floor took care of that. Again, I believe that's one reason that the fiscal note is smaller. The fiscal note on the Bill as amended is considerably smaller than the Bill...original Bill. And that's part of the reason for it."

"Okay. No further questions."

"The Gentleman from DeWitt, Representative Vinson. Representative Vinson."

"Yes, Representative... Mr. Speaker, I rise to question the germaneness of this clearly nongermane Amendment. I call the Chair's attention to several factors in evaluating that decision. The underlying Bill is an Act to amend a particular Section of the Illinois Public Aid Code. Of course, the Illinois Public Aid Code is Chapter 23. The Amendment deals totally with Chapter 67 and one half - totally with Chapter 67 and one half. The underlying Bill would create a special preventative health program, a single example of a preventative health program. The 85  68th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 22, 1983 Amendment deals with a new way of providing relief for people who have to buy prescription drugs. The tuc matters are totally unrelated. The Amendment goes totally beyond the scope of the Bill and, in fact, by subject matter is not related at all. And for those reasons, I question the germaneness of Amendment #2 tc Senate Fill 1241."

"The Gentleman has asked the Chair to rule on the germaneness, and we'll get to that. Now, the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Cullerton, on that issue, I believe."

"Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker. I also would like to give some guidance to the Farliamentarian in deterrining whether or not the Amendment is germane. It is clearly germane. The title would read, An Act relating to public assistance, amending Acts therein pamed. It is obvious that the pharmaceutical assistance provision to the Circuit Breaker Law is germane to the issue of public assistance as was the criginal Bill, and I think it's clear in this case that the Amendment is germane. As Bepresentative Vinson knows, just last week I had an Amendment to a Fill that was ruled nongercane. I don't think the Parliamentarian bas been playing favorites this year. I think they've been fair. The ruling's been fair, and in this case, it is clear that the Arendment is germane, in my opinion. I hope the Parliamentarian will rule the sare way."

"Representative Vinson, to respond, I believe."

"I just think that perhaps the #ost revealing thing that's been said on the subject of germaneness is when Representative Cullerton has to, before the Parliamentarian's even been attacked, try to contort a to defend the Farliamentarian." way

"The Gentleman from Occk, Bepresentative 86  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day Bowman." June 22, 1983

"Yes, let me point out to the Representative from DeWitt, first of all, the title is deleted and replaced, and in the..."

"Cne moment. Are you speaking to the issue of germaneness?"

"I'm speaking to the issue of germaneness."

"Alright."

"Okay. Now, in the replacement title, we refer to public assistance with a small 'g' and a small 'a'. That is, if you will, generic public assistance. The Bill in its original form amends the Public Aid Code. This particular Bill amends the Senior Citizen Circuit Breaker Law in Chapter 67 and a half; however, that is, indeed, assistance to the public. Senior citizens are meaters of the public. I don't think anyone bas every denied that, and we are providing them with assistance. Futherucre, the topic of the underlying Bill is health care. Representative from DeWitt agrues that that is a specific fcrm of health care, but SO be it. It is a health care program. What we are dealing here with in Amendment #2 is also a health care program. I would further call the Representative's attention to the actual language contained in Chapter 67 and a half. In that Act, and I refer to page three line three of the Amendment, there in the criginal Act, the Act that's being amended, there is language pertaining to public aid recipients, so the chapter, itself, does speak to public aid."

"The Chair would not like to interrupt, but I think..."

"I've concluded."

"On the issue of germaneness, the Chair will rule that the Gentleman from DeWitt's point is not well 87  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983 taken, and the Amendment is germane. On the Amendment, Representative Wojcik."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, Glen Sherman of the Illincis Pharmaceutical Association is not for this Amendment for the following reasons. Number one, he feels that it is hyp..."

"Representative Wojcik has not completed."

"No... no, I didn't know you put your hand up. I thought maybe you wanted me to stop speaking."

"No, I was just... No, proceed."

"He feels that it's highly costly, and the second area, he feels that the money would be better spent in the public aid drug formula area. So, I would speak against this Bill."

"No further discussion, Representative Eowman to close."

"Well, thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Just in response to the last statement, everyone is entitled to their con opinion about how money should be spent; however, I want to assure people that we did work with the pharmacists to try very hard to take care of their specific problems which, I believe, we did. And I believe that they admit that we did. I believe that what the speaker, previous speaker is referring to was someone's personal opinion about where money should be spent. But Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I think that we must give priority to the health care needs of our senior citizens. There is, at the present time, a gap, a clear gap in health care services to senior citizens that this legislation purports to fill. It is targeted to the sickest, the poorest and the Dost elderly SO that, I believe, it does everything that... that the Illincis Council of Senior Citizens Organizations is seeking in this 88  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983 legislation, so I move it's adoption."

"Representative Topinka, your light is on. Are you seeking recognition?"

"Yes, I am, Sir. If this Amendment passes, I would seek a verification."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Bowman has moved for the adoption of Amendment #2. Those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 68 'ayes', 46 'nays', and the Lady from Cook, Representative Topinka has asked for a verification. And Representative Hoods Bowman asks for a poll of those four absentees. And there has been a request for a fiscal note."

"Poll of the Absentees. Matijevich."

"Aye'. Where were you, Giorgi."

"McAuliffe, Oblinger and Fonan."

"The Clerk will now call the affirmative votes."

"Alexander, Berrios, Bowman, Eraun..."

"Leave for Representative Giorgi to be verified. Leave. Proceed with the affirmative vote."

"Breslin, Brockins, Brummer, Erunsvold, Bullock, Capparelli, Christensen, Cullerton, Curran, Currie, DeJaegher, DiFrima, Comico, Doyle, John Dunn, Farley, Flinn, Giglio, Giorgi, Greisan, Hannig, Hicks, Homer, Huff, Hutchins, Jaffe, Keane, Krska, Kulas, Laurino, LeFlore, Leverenz, Levin, Marzuki, Matijevich, Mautino, McGann, McPike, Mulcahey, Nash, O'Connell, Fanayotovich, Pangle, Fierce."

"One moment. Representative Marzuki, for what... you're seeking attention for what purpose? Leave to be verified?" 89  68th Legislative Day

"Yes." STATE OF ILLINGIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF BEFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 22, 1983

"Leave."

"Thank you."

"Proceed."

"Preston, Rea, Rhem, Rice, Richmond, Saltsman, Satterthwaite, Shaw, Slape, Steczc, Stuffle, Taylor, Terzich, Turner, Van Duyne, Vitek, White, Wolf, Younge, Yourell and Mr. Speaker."

"The Lady from Cook, Representative Topinka, on questions of the affirmative vote."

"Yes, Representative Slape."

"Is that Flinn?"

"Slape."

"Slape. Representative Slape. Mike Slape. Is he in the chamber? Representative Kike Slape. I don't see him. Remove him. Representative Jim Bea asks leave to be verified. Representative Carol Eraun asks leave to be verified. Leave. And Doug Euff, leave to be verified."

"What was the last one, please?"

"Alright."

"No more... I don't think we should... I would oppose any more verifications..."

"No more... No more people have leave so stay Representative Slape in your seats. It won't last long. in back. Beturn him to the Roll Call. He's right here. Proceed."

"Representative Farley."

"Representative Farley. Is Representative Farley here? I don't see him back there. Representative Bruce Farley. Remove him from the Ecll Call."

"Representative Keane."

"Representative James Keane is in his seat."

"Representative Giglio." 90  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983

"Representative Giglic. Representative Giglio is right near his seat by Laurinc."

"Okay, Representative DiFrima."

"Who is that, DiFrima?"

"Yes, DiFrima."

"Representative Lawrence DiFrima is standing by his seat."

"Representative Kulas."

"Representative Kulas, Myron. Where's Myron? I don't see Myron around. Representative Myron Kulas. He's not in the chamber. Remove him from the Roll Call."

"Okay. Representative Capparelli."

"Capparelli?"

"Is Representative Capparelli here? He's in his chair. I'm sorry. Representative Christensen. Representative Krska."

"Representative Krska is in his chair."

"Representative..."

"Representative Alexander, would you come to the podium for a moment? What was that? What was that?"

"Representative Laurino."

"Representative Laurino's in his seat."

"Representative Pangle."

"Fangle is in his seat."

"Representative White."

"Representative Kulas is returned to the Roll. He is back, and so is Bruce Farley. Return Kulas and Farley back to the Roll Call. You're going the wrong direction, Judy."

"And Representative Yourell."

"Representative Yourell is standing by his seat."

"Okay, no further verifications. Thank you." 91  STATE OF IILINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF BEPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 68th Legislative Day Speaker Matijevich: chamber? "NO further... Jesse White, June 22, 1983 is he in the Bemove Jesse Jesse White. She asked for his. White. What's the count Mr... Clerk. 68 'ayes, 46 nos", and the Amendment is adopted. There has been a request for a fiscal note. The Bill will be held on Second Reading. We'll be at ease for a moment. The next Bill, Senate Bill 1241, as I said is... will remain on Second Beading until the fiscal note request is complied with. The next Bill is Senate Bill 1269, Wojcik. The Clerk will read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 1269, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Vehicle Code. Third Beading of the Bill."

"The Lady from Cook, Hepresentative Wojcik."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, this Bill amends the Illincis Vehicle Code and changes physically handicapped to the word handicaрред. There's an Amendment on it, and it redefines the handicapped person, authorizes the Secretary of State to issue handicapped parking decals to persons certified by a physician to be handicapped. move for its adoption." I

"Representative Wojcik soves for the passage of Senate Bill 1269. Cn that, the Gentleman Representative Mautino."

"Will the lady yield for a question?"

"She indicates she will." from Bureau,

"Representative, approximately bow Dany people would Wojcik: Mautino: this accommodate in the handicapped parking areas that are designated both type things?" commercially and at residential apartment "Representative, we do not have a nunker." "Would it be... Let's use a ball fark figure. Would it be an additional 20,000 people in the State of Illinois, an additional 100,000 people?"

"I would say more like 20." 92  68th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 22, 1983

"More like 20,000 people. Does that mean that if the doctor submitted that because I have a kidney ailment that I could be considered handicapped, and then use those parking slots, let's say with a... with that type of an ailment?"

"No."

"What does it actually mean as... Physically handicapped, I understand. We have just so many of these slots for those people who need to be close to a building. Now, would you give me an example of the differential between physically handicapped and handicapped so I can assume or associate who would be using those slots?"

"It would be braces, crutches, prosthetic devices, heart problems, severely arthritic people."

"It would not be those that would have their... all their other physical... entities and not extremities and not those that would have like a heart problem or something like this. Is that right?"

"Oh, I would say that is you have a severe heart problem, it would be an individual like that. Yes. I would also say that for people who have emphysema that cannot walk that would be involved in the handicapped."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Leverenz."

"Will the Sponsor yield?"

"She indicates she will."

"A year or two ago, I think it was, or maybe three, we provided units of local government the right to issue a decal for handicapped parking. Are you aware of that?"

"Yes, I am."

"And that, we have no idea how many people are issued those decals, and they are prescribed by the Secretary of State. Why would the people you have in mind not be 93  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION ΣΕΒΑΤΕ 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983 included in that group where the local unit of government can issue that sticker?"

"This will allow the local units of government to do this. It's just brcadening the definition by which they can." Leveren2: "HOW large was the task force? It says it was recommended by a task force. Bow large was the task force?"

"Approximately fourteen groups."

"Fourteen groups. Could you name a few just so we get an indication who's advising us on this?"

"Disabled Veterans, Cerebral Falsy, Association, Senior Citizens Groups.". Leveren2: "Did any local governmental units..."

"Ray 'Graham Association."

"I'm sorry. Okay."

"Pardon me."

"Did any local units of government participate as members of the task force?"

"The Municipal League was involved."

"And we, then, will have an impact on units of local government to provide additional stickers. Is that correct? Or is the Secretary of State going to provide the stickers now, as they do not now? Cr are we wandating something on a unit of local government?"

"No, we are not."

"Who will then provide the stickers?"

"Secretary of State."

"Why do they not..."

"And local governments, Ted."

"Why do they not then get handicapted plates to begin with?"

"This is going to be for people who are transporting 94  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983 people in crutches and are handicapped."

"But it doesn't indicate that in the Bill, does it? Could you state the page and line?"

"No, it does not."

"Than that is not a good rationale to provide to the Members of the General Assembly cn the floor. You're indicating legislative intent, but, in fact, it is not in the Eill. Is that right?"

"This is old language that's already in there."

"Does it also, now, include, as I see in гу analysis, that they'd be allowed to get a... the handicapped sticker due to blindness?"

"If they're transporting blind people, yes."

"Oh, this is merely for... it's specifically for transporters of..."

"Yes." Leveren2: "So if 1 were to transport a handicapped person who needed a ride in my district, I could get a handicapped sticker cn top of the use of my legislative plates. Is that correct?"

"You would get a decal from your local government."

"weli, now, you're saying that the decal is going to come from the local government. Earlier you said, we were not mandating anything to the local government. The sticker was going tc be Frovided by the Secretary of State's Office. Which is it?"

"The Gentleman from Ccck, Representative Fiel."

"I'm not completed, Speaker."

"Well, he's... he's..."

"He's a hyphenated Cosponsor?"

"They were all pointing to him. I thought that he Has raising a point cf order. Go ahead. Evident... Oh, she's yielding to Representative Stec20, the 95  68th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIFTION DEBATE June 22, 1983 Cochief Sponsor. I'm sorry. I didn't see how far you were extending your arm there. The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Steczo."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In response to the Gentleman's question, I believe that these stickers would be distributed by the Secretary of State's Office and would also be allowed to be distributed by local units of government, but one of the... one of the reasons for this Bill to be introduced really was because of one particular situation that happens throughout the State of Illinois where one community will issue a handicapped sticker to one person or one individual or a transporter of the handicapped and then another municipality or local unit of government will not honor that particular sticker. So, hopefully, by the passage of Senate Bill 1269 that situation can be put to rest. And I would also indicate to the Members of the House that the definition that we have of handicapped individuals in Senate Bill 1269 was reviewed by the Rehabilitation Institute of Chicago to lend itself to certification by physicians and to make sure that the definitions were proper."

"Would those definitions then be submitted to the Secretary of State?"

"I think Representative Leverenz that the definitions were placed in the Bill were reviewed by them just to make... just so... just to as to make certain that a physician reviewing the disabilities of certain individuals would be able to certify such a condition as a handicap. And upon that physician's certification, then that person could get a sticker."

"Well, I'm still confused. I'm told now by two different Sponsors that a unit of local government's going to issue the sticker. The Secretary of State's going to 96  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day issue a sticker. June 22, 1983 I'm concerned that I do not impact a local... a unit of local government with an additional task without additional funding. We know the Governor doesn't provide the revenue sharing to the units of local government in his budget. Can one the Sponsors say who really is going to absorb the cost of issuing the sticker, or are we providing the Secretary of State with a give away program?"

"Representative Steczo, let's try to conclude this by your answer."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Bill allows the Secretary of State to provide the sticker, so I would presume that there would be an absorption of the cost by the Secretary of State's Office."

"Well, that's not in his budget. To the Bill."

"Proceed."

"I'm confused, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. We issue now about 1,100... 11,500 handicapped plates. We issue another 4,200 plates for disabled veterans. We have provided units of local government the opportunity to issue a sticker which the specifications are laid out for by the Secretary of State. Apparently, we may be allowing the Secretary of State to issue another few thousand of these stickers. I don't understand why they're not included in what we already have. I'm confused by the Sponsor. I believe that we have everything that we need to do this, and if we expand this much further, it will look like some of the pension Bills that we see for all of the camels trying to get their nose under the tent. And then you have simply hump one and hump two, and I, perhaps, think that a red or a yellow vote might be appropriate on this Bill because it's not in good shape."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative 97  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1963 Piel."

"I move the previous question, Mr. Speaker."

"Representative Piel moves the previous question. The question is, 'Shall the main question be put?' Those in favor say 'aye', those opposed say 'no', and the main question is put. The Cochief Sponsor, Representative Steczo, to close."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. Notwithstanding the questions that were put forth, I think the Bill is rather simple in terms of trying to come to grips with the situation that... that presently presents itself with handicapped persons. A handicapped person goes to one unit of local government and gets a handicapped sticker for a car to allow them to use a certain handicapped license plate; however, they take that same automobile or motor vehicle to another municipality and that sticker will not be honored. In addition... In addition to that, the definition of physically handicapped person has been much too restrictive, and those people who really, really need the stickers, sometimes now cannot get them. So what the purposes of Senate Bill 1269 is, is to expand that definition, yes, but not to expand it just willy nilly. A lot of discussion has gone into this definition or these changes in definition. We have had these definitions reviewed. We've had these definition accepted by the Rehabilitation Institute of Chicago, and it just would allow some sense of... some sense of reality to seep into this particular problem and allow all handicapped persons with these afflictions to be able to properly utilize those handicapped parking places that we all see in the State of Illinois. And I would urge for the passage of Senate Bill 1269."

"Representative Steczo has moved for the 98  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983 passage of Senate Bill 1269. The question is, 'Shall Senate Bill 1269 pass?' Those in favor signify by voting 'aye', thcse opposed by voting "no". Gordon Ropp, cne minute to explain your vote."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I, certainly, rise in support of this. It provides the uniformity in all municipalities throughout the state, and even more, it really does help those people who are severely handicapped and are not in a position to even drive. This allcas people whc are assisting those people through driving to have the same kind of privilege, and I urge... think you've done very well."

"John Dunn, cne minute to explain your vote. No, oh, your light's off now. It was on before. Representative Bice, one minute to explain your vote."

"I would like to rise in support of this measure because on the front windshield of Dy automobile, as indicated by Representative Steczo, there's six CI seven different stickers from various municipalities. I certainly support this measure."

"Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 114 'ayes', no nays, 2 voting 'present', and Senate Bill 1269, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Senate Bill 1270, Steczo Wojcik. Clerk will read the Eill."

"Senate Bill 1270, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Identification Card Act. It's been read a second time previously."

"The Gentleman from Cook asks leave to return Senate Bill 1270 to the Order... Oh, it's on Second now. I'm sorry. Are there any Amendments?"

"No Amendments." 99  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENEGAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983

"Oh, I'm sorry. I thought he had an Amendment. Third Reading. The Gentleman asks leave for the immediate consideration of Senate Fill 1270. Leave, and the Clerk will read the Fill."

"Senate Bill 1270, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Identification Card Act. Third Reading of the Bill."

"The Gentleman frcs Cook, Bepresentative Steczo."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Senate Eill 1270 just simply makes one change in the affirmation required by a handicapped individual, and it just reguires that they sign an affirmation to the fact that they are handicapped, and I should... I should mention when a... when applying for the Illinois Identification Card.. And that's what this Bill deals with, and the... this Bill will LEMOVE the undue burden presently imposed upon handicapped persons in getting that physician's statement filled out, signed and having tc pay for that physician's certificate. As I mentioned, this applies only to the Illinois Identification Card, and I would move for the adoption ΟΙ passage of Senate Pill 1270."

"Representative Stec2c bas moved for the passage of Senate Bill 1270. There being nc discussion, the question is, 'Shall Senate Bill 1270 pass?' Those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 116 'ayes', 1 'nay, and Senate Bill 1270, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Senate Bill 1343, Braun. Is Carol Eraun in the Assembly? Leave, we'll return to the momentarily. Senate Bill 1354, McGann. The Clerk will read the Fill." 100  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIFTION CEBATE 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983

"Senate Bill 1354, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act relating to the Department of Mental Health and Developmental Disabilities. Third Reading of the Bill."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Bepresentative McGann."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the Assembly. Senate Bill 1354 is a Bill requiring consistent case coordinating system for the developmentally disabled who receive services provided or funded by the Department of Mental Health. The objective of the systes shall be to insure that a full range of an individual's needs is identified and assessed through statewide use of an individual client assessment tool. This Bill is recommended favorably. It passed out of the Senate 58 to 1, and I would certainly appreciate total support. Thank you."

"The Gentleman from... The Gentleman from Cook, Representative McGann, has moved for the passage of Senate Bill 1354. There being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall Senate Bill 1354 pass?' Those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 114 'ayes', no 'nays', and Senate Bill 1354, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Senate Bill 1343, Braun. The Clerk will read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 1343, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Pension Code. Third Reading of the Bill."

"The Lady from Cook, Bepresentative Carol Braun."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This Bill amends the Pension Code to provide that if a disabled child attains the age of 18, the widow's pension benefits won't be cut off. Now, right now, upon 101  68th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMEIY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE June 22, 1983 the attainment of the age 18, the pension benefits are in jeopardy. This would remove that jecpardy where that... where the child attaining the age of 18 is disabled. I encourage an 'aye' vote."

"Representative Carol Braun has soved for the passage of Senate Bill 1343. There being no... It's Representative Cowlishav, the Lady from Dulage seeking recognition on... on the issue. Fepresentative Cowlishaw."

"Yes, Hr. Speaker, will the Sponsor yield for a question?"

"She indicates she will. Proceed."

"Representative, I just would appreciate it very much is you could make clear to me, does this Bill... this Bill apply only to Members of the General Assembly, not to the general population or whatever?"

"It amends... This Bill only amends the General Assembly Retirement Article of the Pension Code."

"Consequently, the answer to the question is 'yes'."

"Yes."

"Thank you very much."

"The Gentleman from Vermilion, Representative Stuffle, on the Eill1."

"Yes, will the Sponsor yield to a question?"

"She indicates she will. Froceed."

"On the heels of the last guestion, to clarify the issue, isn't it true, Representative, that we've already done this sort of thing with other systems, cther pension systems, correct?"

"Without having the infcrmation directly in front of Є, Representative Stuffle, I think the answer is "yes" to that as well."

"2 "A certain Gentleman named Harold Washington passed a Bill like this a number of years ago with regard to the 102  68th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 22, 1983 State Employees System. What we did there was to provide, along with Senator Ramcno, the late Senator Ramcno, for provisions that effectively would say if you're disabled, you're disabled, if you're a child. Ycu may have a child that, frankly, is retarded that has a sental age as a child that may be at any age, and that's what this attempts to do is to continue those people as they cught to be under the benefit system where there's a widow or a widower. It does nothing to help any Member of the General Assembly. In fact, and indeed, the General Assembly Member would have to be dead before this widower's annunity would ever take place, so I hope we don't get into an argument here that we're trying to do something for a Legislator, because we're not. We're trying to do something that should have been done a long time ago for their... for their dependent children who are disabled, and I urge an affirmative vote."

"Thank you, Representative Stuffle."

"The Lady from Cook, Representative Braun, to close."

"Thank you, Representative Stuffle. And to Bepresentative Cowlishaw, with regard to her particular question, this Bill does not... It's not a special interest legislation. What it does is make uniform the law in this area. Other parts of our Pension Code provide that where a child is disabled, where a child has been adjudicated by a probate court as disabled, and that child reaches age 18, the widow's benefits continue on behalf of that 18 year old disabled child. This just makes it more uniform in terms of putting that Section of that provision of the Fension Code into cur General Assembly Retirement System Act as well. And sc it is not a special interest in any way, if that was your question. So with that ladies and Gentlemen, Mr. Speaker, I would very much appreciate an affirmative 103  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 68th Legislative Day vote on... Bill." June 22, 1983 signify

"Representative Cullerton (sic - Braun) has moved for the passage of Senate Bill 1343. The question is, 'Shall Senate Bill 1343 pass? Those in favor by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 107 'ayes', 3 'nays', 4 voting 'present', and Senate Bill 1343, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Under the Order of Motions Subject Matter, extending the time of the Special Order, the Gentleman from Ccck, Representative Cullerton."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Pursuant to Rule 12(c) I move to continue this Special Order of Business, Subject Matter - Senior Citizens until 10 a.m. Thursday, June 23rd."

"Representative Cullerton has moved for the continuing of the Special Order of Business, Senior Citizens to 10 a.m. Thursday, June 23rd, 1983, and that Motion is in writing. On that, the Gentleman from DeWitt, Representative Vinson."

"Mr. Speaker, first, I would call on the Chair to rule the Gentleman's Motion out of order. His Motion must properly be made pursuant to Rule 12 (±). 12(b) says, 'A Special Order,' Mr. Speaker, I would like to address you. I have full respect for the Senator there, and I think that she... you ought to do what she wants you to do at any time."

"She's advising me."

"But this is an important ruling."

"She and I get along real well now by the way."

"Good. This is an important ruling that you're going to 104  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCSIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983 have to make, and I want you to fully understand the import of it and the rules. 12 (b) specifically says, "A Special Order shall appear on the daily Calendar for three legislative days. This Subsection may be suspended only upon an affirmative vote of 71 Members. Now what the Gentleman is doing is changing the date on the Calendar that a Special Order has to appear on the Calendar. That requires three days notice very clearly, and that requires him to make his Motion pursuant to Rule 12 (b). And I would ask the Chair to so rule."

"Representative Cullerton would like to respond."

"Mr. Speaker, I have to respond to the Gentleman's objection. I don't know if the Republican freshmen were aware of what happened under the Ryan regime of the last two years, but we had nothing at all like the Special Order of Business which we are purposing for this week and which we did last week."

"Mr. Vinson, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"

"Speaker Madigan..."

"Mr. Speaker, I rise in regard to a point of order."

"Proceed."

"The Gentleman is speaking to events in a prior General Assembly. That, by nature, cannot address a Motion he's making. He ought to speak to his Motion, and if he wants to rebut my point in regard to his Motion, he ought to speak to my point, not about ancient history or old documents."

"Alright. The Chair... The Chair is prepared... The Chair is prepared to rule. I think we've heard enough. The... Mr. Vinson and to clarify for the whole. Body, Representative Cullerton, in effect, is 105  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983 postponing to a day certain which actually he could do with a simple majority of those voting. The Chair feels that his Motion in writing is actually a modification of the Special Order, and therefore, is in order. And the... This would require 60 votes. And the Special Order notice has been met. The Gentleman from DeWitt, Representative Vinson."

"Mr. Speaker, this is not a simple Motion to postpone to a day certain. It's a Motion offered and stated pursuant to a specific rule. That specific rule is inapplicable because there is another rule directly on point, and for that reason, the Gentleman's Motion is cut of order. And you really ought to so rule."

"The Chair has already ruled, and the question is, 'Shall the Special Order of Business, Senior Citizens be extended until 10 a.m. June 23rd, tomorrow, at 10 a.m.?' Those in favor signify by voting 'aye', alright. Alright. The Gentleman from DeWitt, Representative Vinson. I'm trying to put the Motion to the Body."

"I know exactly what you're trying to do, and you know, one of the major rules of this chamber that applies to everything is Members have a right to debate it. Now, it is appropriate to have debate on the Gentleman's Motion, even if you're going to rule it in order, which it's not, it's appropriate to have debate."

"Proceed. You have that right. Proceed."

"Now, in response to the Gentleman's Motion, which is clearly out of order, but has been ruled in order, I rise in opposition to it. I rise in opposition to it for several reasons. First of all, it's very easy for the Majority Party, if they so desire, to clog up the Calendar for all the remaining days of this Session with Special Orders and with the recess of Special Orders. If the Chair 106  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983 wishes to do that and so does that, then all they have to do is deal with the Bills that the Chair wants to deal with. We've seen in the past week that the Chair is willing to go to any extreme to avoid dealing with Bills that the Chair, personally, does not want to deal with. Now, we can... The Chair, if we adopt this Motion, can use this as an... as an expedient for avoiding the consideration of Bills like Representative Karpiel's Bill for the remainder of the Session. We ought not permit the Chair to do that. We ought to permit the Chair to go down the Bills on Third Reading in order and to call those so every Member of this Assembly, who has diligently pursued their Bill, has the right to present their Bill to this chamber and to have it voted on. We ought not provide special consideration to other Bills which Sponsors have not diligently pursued. Now, everybody in here knows exactly the reason why we're recessing this. We are trying to recess this Special Order so that Mr. Bowman can have action on his Bill. Mr. Bowman's Bill, he hasn't even sought to bring before the chamber until today when he offers an Amendment to a Bill, takes it back to Second Reading and do that. Now, he knows the only way he can get his Bill called on Third Reading is by this enormous expedient of violating the rules and recalling the Special Order tomorrow in clear violation of the rules. What you're doing, if you vote for this, among other things is giving special consideration to Mr. Bowman on a matter that he didn't even choose to bring before the chamber until today on Second Reading. If he... That Bill, if he wanted to amend it, should have been amended yesterday when we went down and took all those Bills back to Second Reading, amended them and then moved them back to Third Reading today. That's the appropriate way, but because of his lack 107  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983 of diligence, the Chair's trying to extend personal consideration to him just for that one Bill and for that one purpose. And we ought to reject that. We ought to vote "no" on this particular Motion."

"I see no one else seeking recognition except Representative Cullerton. So Representative Cullerton will close on the Motion."

"Well, I... I didn't interrupt Representative Vinson, and I'd appreciate the same. I'm very sincere when I say that the Speaker should be complimented for giving all the Members on page two for the last three days the list of the Special Order of Business. To give you a little perspective, this never happened before in the last... in the previous regimes, if you will. The Speaker would pop out on there, or Minority Leader Daniels would be on the Chair, and they'd say, "We're going to this Bill." And it was usually, by the way, after 8:30 at night when we haven't... when we used to be in here till all hours of the morning which we also haven't done yet this year. So we, at a very polite manner, indicate what we're going to call, when we're going to call it and even now, we politely say, "Pursuant to the rules, let's continue it." And Representative Vinson has the gall to object to that when in the past under his administration we didn't even have any notice at all of any... of what Bills were going to be called, when they were going to be called. We did this two weeks ago. We did this two or three times two weeks ago. We had the Special Order of Business. We made the Motion. The Motion prevailed. We continued the Bills the next day, and we were able to consider all the Bills that people wanted to... to consider during the course of the Session and during the... and given the deadlines that we had. So I think it's clear, if you vote against this, it... that 108  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983 you don't understand what abuses were in the past. I MOVE for the adoption of the Motion."

"Representative Cullerton has moved that the Special Order of Business, Senior Citizens be extended to 10 a.m. June 23rd, 1983. Those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'nc. It takes 60 votes. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 68 'ayes", 46 'nays, and the Motion prevails. And the Special Order of Business, Senior Citizens will be extended to 10 a.m. tomorrow. The House, now, will return to the Order of Appropriation Bills on Second Reading, Senate Bill 394, and Representative Greiman in the Chair."

"Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 394, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Department of Law Enforcement. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendments #1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 8, 9, 10 and 11 were adopted in Committee."

"Are there any Motions in respect to the Amendments?"

""Motion. I move to table Amendment #5 to Senate Bill 394. Representative Leverenz."

"And on that, Representative Leverenz.."

"Could the Clerk help me? That's a 400,000 dollar Amendment, or he doesn't know? That Amendment, yes, that Amendment conforms with our action previously today as a favor in extending the olive branch to the fine Gentlemen, Committeeman from Southern Illinois. he restored the money in the Fire Marshal's Office to keep that revenue generating device called boiler inspection in the State Fire Marshal's Office. This is the Amendment that put it into the Department of Law Enforcement. I, now, move to 109  STATE OF ILLINGIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983 table Amendment #5 to 394 as a gesture to Representative Winchester."

"The Gentleman moves to table Amendment #5 to Senate Bill 394. On that, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall this Amendment... Shall this Amendment be tabled?' All in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'nay'. The 'ayes' have it, and the Amendment is tabled. Are there further Motions?"

"No further Motions."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #12, Fangle, amends Senate Bill 394 as amended."

"The Gentleman from Kankakee, Mr. Fangle."

"I would like to, Mr. Speaker, withdraw that Amendment, please."

"The Gentleman withdraws Amendment #12 to Senate Bill 394. Is there further Amendment?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. And on the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading Appropriations appears Senate 395. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 395, a Bill for an Act making appropriations for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Military and Naval Department. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendments #1, 2, 3 and 4 were adopted in Committee."

"Any Floor Amendments... any Motions?"

"No Motions filed. No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. On the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading, Appropriations appears Senate Bill 398. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill." 110  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983

"Senate Bill 398, a Bill for an Act making appropriations for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Department of Rehabilitation Services. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendments #1, 2, 3 and 4 were adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions?"

"No Motions filed."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #5, Reilly, amends Senate Bill 398 as amended."

"The Gentleman from Morgan, Mr. Reilly."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Floor Amendment #5 necessitate... is necessitated by the fact that the Amendments in Committee got somewhat out of order. What this does is part of what we thought we had done in Committee. It reduces the travel lines by 9,400 dollars which corrects a deficient Committee Amendment which was my Amendment. I would move adoption of Amendment #5."

"The Gentleman moves to adopt Amendment #5 to Senate Bill 398. Is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Leverenz."

"Would this curtail the activities in travel of the Assistant or Deputy Director?"

"Who is that? I mean what..."

"A Lady, 'Elmore' I think is the name."

"I hope so."

"Manuel on, 'How to Deal with Legislators,' is her game. Thank you."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Bowman. No. Mr. Reilly to close."

"Appreciate adoption of the Amendment."

"The question is, 'Shall this Amendment be 111  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 68th Legislative Day adopted? All June 22, 1983 in favor signify by saying 'aye, those opposed 'nay". The 'ayes' have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendment?"

"Floor Amendment #6, Geilly, asends Senate Bill 398 as amended."

"The Gentleman from Morgan, tr. Reilly."

"Thank you, or. Speaker. This is an Amendment that we didn't have ready guite in time for Committee. It allows the Department to spend a 50,000 dollar federal grant which they have пси received, sign-off on from the Federal Government at the Illinois School for the Deaf. I would move adoption of the Amendment."

"The Gentleman Doves for the adoption of Amendment #2236 to Senate Bill 398. Is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Cock, Mr. Powman."

"I merely rise to support this Amendment."

"The question is, Shall this Amendment be adopted? All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed #no". The 'ayes have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #7, Nautino, amends Senate Bill 398 as amended."

"The Gentleman from Bureau, Mr. Mautino."

"Thank you very much. This... This Amendment reduces by 24,800 dollars a line item in the... one of the Community Action Programs in Eurean County, and I move fcr its adoption."

"The Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment #7 to Senate Bill 398. On that, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Cock, Br. Bowman."

"Well, thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. We had a similar Amendment on another Bill, and I... se rose in opposition to that. And I believe that to 112  STATE OF ILLINOIS. 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REFBESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983 be consistent, we must oppose this Amendment. I understand the Representative bas some problems with a person who's salary's being eliminated by this, but I would hope that he could get together with that person. I would te happy to use my office to assi assist. In the seantime, I oppose the Amendment."

"Further discussion? The Gentleman from Bureau, Mr. Bautino, to close."

"In response to the distinguished Appropriations II Chairman, I sometimes wonder what real services the Department of Rehabilitative Services provides for those individuals who are in wheelchairs and are paraplegic. In this specific case let me explain to you that we have a program or had a program, and I don't know who it services, that allows individuals who need, for example, special items like a special type of a toilet or bathroom furnishings, and this Department is supposed to be able to help those people. In these specific cases, this paraplegic has applied for the bathroom fixtures to his home under this program. The individuals who are addressing those grants, the bathroom change is 12,000 dollars. He was requesting only the funding for the facilities in that bathroom, the toilet and the bars, et cetera, that would allow him to get out of the wheelchair and use that facility. The gentleman who is operating the program in our rural area says that we don't have any programs like that that are offered to those individuals who are in need. I say then, why do we have the programs at all if they do not want to offer to those individuals those items that are necessary in their everyday lives. That's the reason for the Amendment, and I appreciate your support."

"The question is, Shall Amendment #7 be 113  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCEIFTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983 adopted?" All those in favor signify by saying 'aye", those opposed 'nay". The 'ayes' have it, and the Asendment is adopted. Further Anenduents?"

"Floor Amendment #8, Bowman, amends Senate Eill 398 as amended."

"The Gentleman from Cock, MI. Bowman."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This adds 500 dollars for equipment to the Illinois Childrens School in Chicago which was inadvertently deleted... 10 sorry the IVHI in Chicago. The line was inadvertently deleted in an Amendment which was put on in Committee, SO I now nove adoption to rectify that error."

"The Gentleman MOVES for the adoption of Senate... of Amendment #8 to Senate Eill 398. On that, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall this Amendment be adopted?' All those in favoE signify by saying 'aye", those opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it, and the Arendrent is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #9, Ecwman, amends Senate Eill 398 as amended."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Bowman."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. After we worked on this Fill in Committee, the... I received a memorandum from the Childrens School in Chicago, the Illinois Childrens School and Behabilitation Center to be precise, indicating that the contractual line item was insufficient because they dc depend upon outside medical personnel which they pay through contractual for physical therapy and other services to the children. And because of that, I am now moving that we add 150,000 dollars in the contractual line item for the Illincis Childrens School and Rehabilitation Center." 114  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983

"The Gentleman moves for the adoption of Senate Amendment 9 to Senate Bill 398. Is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #9 be adopted?" All those in favor signify by saying 'aye, those opposed 'nay. The 'ayes have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Beading. On the Crder of Senate Bills Second Reading, Appropriaticns appears Senate Eill 399. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 399, a Bill fcr an Act making appropriations for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Department of Veterans' Affairs and a veterans' memorial. Second Beading of the Fill. Amendments #1, 2, 3 and 4 were adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions?"

"No Motions filed."

"Are there any further Amendrents, Floor Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. On the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading, Appropriations appears Senate Eill 401. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 401, a Bill fcr an Act making appropriations for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the State Universities Civil Service System. Second Reading of the Pill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Cosmittee."

"Any Motions with respect to Amendment #1?"

"No Motions filed."

"Are there any Floor Arendrents?"

"No Floor Arendrents."

"Third Reading. On the Order of Senate Bills 115  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 68th Legislative Day Second Reading, Appropriations appears Senate Bill 407. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill." June 22, 1983

"Senate Bill 407, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act making appropriations for the crdinary and contingent expenses of the Department of Mental Health and Developmental Disabilities. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendments #1 and 2 were adopted in Committee."

"Any Floor Amendments? Any Ections in respect to those Amendments?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #3, Beilly, amends Senate Bill 407."

"The Gentleman from Morgan, Mr. Борр (sic Reilly)."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This appropriates the Federal Jobs Bill money which has... has now finally come down frcm Washington. We didn't have this ready at the time of Committee. I'd be glad to answer questions or I'd move adoption of the Amendment."

"The Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment #3 to Senate Bill 407. On that, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall this Amendment be adopted?' All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'nay'. The 'ayes have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #4, Currie, amends Senate Bill 407."

"The Lady from Cook, Ms. Currie."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. Amendment 4 to Senate Bill 407 would reduce the appropriation for the Department of Fublic Aid by slightly over 1.2 million dcllars. The Department planned a substantial move this 116  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983 year. This year, I think, is not the year when we can afford to expend a lot of up front dollars on any kind of... of change in physical circumstances. I think all of us are concerned about where the money's going to come from to provide basic programs and basic services to recipients in the Public Aid program. And the prospect of going home to our constituents and saying, "Yes, we were prepared to spend another 1.2 million dollars on bureaucracy," is not one that I think this House would support. If we adopt Amendment 4, we will see to it that the frills, the extras, the happier locations for bureaucrats in the Department of Public Aid will not be our responsibility in fiscal year 1984, and I urge the House to adopt Amendment 4 to Senate Bill 407."

"The Lady moves for the adoption of Amendment #4 to Senate Bill 407. On that, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Morgan, Mr. Reilly."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise in opposition to the Amendment, both because I think it would increase efficiency to have these various subdepartments consolidated, but also because I believe that the Lady's Amendment is not draw to do exactly what she thought she was doing. It is my understanding that the Amendment cuts the amount that would be needed to pay the current leases. So not only... I mean if this Amendment somehow got on and the Bill went to final passage in that form, not only couldn't they move, but they also couldn't for, I believe it's the child support and the EDF units, couldn't continue where they are now either. There's a very little difference, I think, something like 52,000 dollars between the old place and the new place in terms of lease, but yet, the Amendment takes all that... all the original, all the current lease cut plus that. So not only do I think it's a 117  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENEBAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983 bad Amendment in terms of... of what it's saying which is that, this Department, which is spread out all over the city, ought not be consolidated. Eut in addition to that, it would say they'd have to close or somehow find a free place for those two fairly large units because it would take the money out for their current lease. And on those grounds, I would oppose the adoption of the Amendment."

"The Lady from Sangamon, Ms. Oblinger."

"Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen, if you lived here and tried to go to the various offices of Public Aid, or you had people coming down here and asking for your help, you know why they should be consolidated. You run them over to 4th Street. You run then up and doWD here. You run them over on College. If we had one place with sufficient parking, so that people could go and do their business, I think we'd save a lot of ill will, a lot of time of our constituents, plus, they would begin to see that we had an efficient Department. I think this is a good move, and I would support this "no" vote on the Amendment."

"Is there further discussion? There being none, the Lady from Cook, Ms. Currie, tc close."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. Well, if these figures are wrong, of course, these are the figures that came from the Department. We told the Department we wanted to be able to ensure that... that the Department would be able to pay it's present rent expenditures, and these are the figures that are the basis of Amendment 4 to Senate Bill 407. Consolidation, nonsense. We're talking only about consolidating the electronic data processing operation. Let те remind this Bouse that the medical system in EDF is in a building relatively new that was designed specifically to house medical systems - close, 118  STATE OF ILLINGIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983 easy to access, nine blocks away. Members of the Department will be running back and forth nine blocks. It doesn't seem to me to make any sense at all. This Amendment will save 1.2 million dollars. I urge this House to adopt it."

"The question is, 'Shall this Amendment be adopted? All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'nay'. The 'ayes'... In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendment?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. On the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading. Appropriations appears Senate Bill 481. Is... Is Mr. Nash in the chamber? All right, Mr. Ropp, you're going to take that?"

"Yes, Sir, Mr. Speaker."

"Mr. Clerk, call the Bill."

"Senate Bill 481, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the Court of Claims. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #1, Bopp, amends Senate Bill 481 as amended."

"The Gentleman from McLean, Mr. Bopp."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. May I ask one question of the Speaker, whether or not Amendment 2 has been distributed?"

"Apparently Amendment 2 has not been distributed."

"Alright, then, Mr. Speaker, may I ask leave of the House to change one number, not affecting any monetary portion of the Bill. It only deals with the year in which the debt incurred from 1978 to 1972. I'd like leave of the House to amend it on its face, please." 119  STATE OF ILLINCTS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day

"The June 22, 1983 Gentleman asks leave to amend a printing error on its face of the Amendment. Does the Gentleman have leave? The Gentleman has leave, and leave is hereby granted to make the appropriate Agenduent On its face. That's on the Amendment, Mr. Bopp?"

"Yes, yes."

"And the Amendment has not yet been distributed. Is that correct?"

"Amendment 2 made the error that I'm just trying to correct on its face."

"Okay. So that's on Amendment #1 then will be amended on its face."

"Alright. Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. Amendment #1 adds 25,455 dollars to the Court of Claims appropriations. Three of the four awards are paid as a result of the Court... because the Court of Claims felt that we have exceeded the statute of limitations, and the fourth one is a result of a warrant being lost. One of them amounts to around 11,000 dollars. That's for Representative Bopp- Representative Leverenz has 8,000 dollars. The Insurance Department has about 4,000 dollars, and Representative O'Connell has 23 dollars. I urge your favorable support."

"The Gentleman moves for adoption of Amendment #1 to Senate Bill 481. On that, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Leverenz."

"Yes, I stand in support of the Amendment. As if you will recall, we have passed a Bill that will correct the actual countdown on time in when the Court of Claims can consider making a determination on an award. Some of these things end up having the time go by before they exhaust every opportunity to make and get paid from the state, and so for that, I support the Amendment and would AGVE its 120  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 22, 1983 68th Legislative Day adoption."

"Further discussion? There being none, the question is, Shall Amendment #1 to Senate Bill 481 be adopted? All in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'nay'. The 'ayes' have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendment?"

"Amendment #2, Bopp - Leverenz, amends Senate Bill 481 as amended."

"Now, has that now been distributed, Mr. Clerk?"

"No, it has not."

"Alright. So you're going to... It's your preference to withdraw the Amendment?"

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, I wish to withdraw that Amendment."

"So, Amendment #2 to Senate Bill 481 is withdrawn. Are there further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. On the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading, Appropriations appears Senate Bill 498. Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 498..."

"Well, the... the Sponsor is not on the floor. 498. Ms. Barnes, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"

"Mr. Speaker, I thought maybe I could handle the Bill, if you have no objections."

"Alright. Ms. Barnes understand that permission... appropriate permission has been granted for you to handle the Bill. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 498, a Bill for an Act making an appropriation to the Judicial Inquiry Board. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee. Amendment #2 was withdrawn in Committee."

"Are there any Motions?" 121  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF BEFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 68th Legislative Day

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #3, Barres, amends Senate Bill 498."

"The Lady from Cock, Ms. Barnes."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and thank you very much for your consideration of allowing me to handle the Bill. Amendment #3 reduces the contractual services by 19,400 dollars in the General Revenue Fund to correct a technical discrepancy between Amendment #1 and Amendment #2, and I would move for its adoption."

"The Lady moves for adoption of Amendment #3 to Senate Bill 498. On that, is there acy discussion. The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Leverenz."

"The Sponsor yield?"

"Indicates she will for a question."

"And could you just state your new total then in contractual services line?"

"60,800 dollars, Representative Leverenz."

"Fine. I stand in support of this 200 dollar reduction Arendment. I think the Sponsor is just brilliant in offering this Amendment also."

"Further discussion? There being none, the guestion is, 'Shall Awendwent #3 be adopted?' All in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 200. The 'ayes' have it, and the Aaenduent is adopted. Further Arendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. On the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading, Appropriations appears Senate Eill 680. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 680, a Pill for an Act making appropriations to the State Board of Elections. Second 122  STATE OF ILLINGIS 83RD GENEGAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983 Reading of the Bill. Amendments #31, 2, 3, 4, 5 and 6 were adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions?"

"No Mctions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. On the Crder of Senate Bills Second Reading, Appropriations appears Senate Bill 714. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 714, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the Board of Trustees of the University of Illinois. Second Reading of the Eill. Amendments #1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16 and 17 were adopted in Committee."

"Any Floor... Any Motions tabled (sic filed) ?"

"No Notions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #18, Giorgi, amends Senate Bill 714 as amended."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Leverenz. Is it... I understand that you're going to proceed on Amendment #18."

"I, yes. There are so many good Amendments on this. Amendment #18 would provide 100,000 dollar appropriation that we do every time this time of year for the state office building to be located in downtown Rockford, and I would move for the adoption of the Anendaent."

"The Gentleman ΠΟΤΕΣ for the adoption of Amendment #232318 to Senate Bill 714. On that, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Yourell. Br. Yourell, do ycu seek recognitionî Further discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall this Amenduent be adopted?' All in favor signify by saying 'aye', those 123  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day opposed 'no". The 'ayes' have it, and the June 22, 1983 Amendment is adopted. Further Amendment?"

"Floor Amendment #19, Reilly - Barnes, amends Senate Bill 714 as amended."

"The Gentleman from Morgan, Mr. Reilly."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This is simply the reappropriation which would have been in a separate Bill except the Bill got killed in our kind of Alice in Wonderland process. The reappropriation... What happens is, every year with capital projects, we appropriate the new money. Some of the projects, cf course, get done in one year.. Some are two, three, four or five years. In order to keep paying on the projects that are under way, we must reappropriate the money. That's what this Amendment does, and I would move adoption of Amendment #19."

"Yes, Mr. Clerk, I think we're on Amendment #19. Want to hit that? Thank you. The Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment #19 to Senate Bill 714. On that, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, *Shall this Amendment be adopted?* All in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. The ayes have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendment?"

"Floor Amendment #20, Reilly - Barnes, amends Senate Bill 714 as amended."

"The Gentleman from Morgan, Mr. Reilly."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This Amendment is from the Income Fund of the University of Illinois to allow the Medical Center Commission for ongoing acquisition and improvement of land in the medical center district. I would move adoption of the Amendment."

"The Gentleman moves for the adoption of Senate... of Amendment 20 to Senate Bill 714. And on that, 124  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983 is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Leveren2."

"The Sponsor yield?"

"He indicates he'll yield for a question."

"Would this improvement, you said 100,000 dollars?"

"217,000."

"217,000 dollars. That would be the the Stearney Memorial Medical Building in the medical center?"

"This is the... This is the 'Kriger' building. They've been thinking about this one for a long time. The Stearney' building comes some other..."

"Oh, well, we just haven't passed a Resolution to rename it. Is that correct?"

"Search me. I don't know."

"I wouldn't want to do that. Thank you."

"The Gentleman frcm Cook, Mr. Bowman."

"Will the Gentleman yield for a question?"

"Indicates he will."

"Was this in the Governor's budget?"

"It has been approved by the Eureau."

"Eut... Eut that's... that's a slightly different question you answered. I believe what you're telling me is that it was not in the original budget, but now the Bureau would like to see this added in. Is that correct?"

"This is reappropriation. They thought... The reason it wasn't in the budget book, it was because they thought they'd be done and have the property bought by June 30th. They don't, and so we need to reafpropriate it."

"I see. Thank you very much."

"Further discussion? Mr. Ecwman, do you want to continue? No. Further discussion? There being none, Mr. Beilly to close."

"Appreciate adoption of Amendment #20." 125  STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 68th Legislative Day

"The question is, 'Shall June 22, 1983 Amendment #20 be adopted?" All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'nay'. The 'ayes' have... The 'aye' has it, and the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"Amendment #21, Reilly - Barnes, amends Senate Bill 714 as amended."

"The Gentleman from Morgan, Mr. Reilly."

"I would withdraw Amendment 21."

"Amendment #21 is withdrawn on Senate Bill 714. Further Amendment?"

"Floor Amendment #22, Reilly - Barnes, amends Senate Bill 714."

"The Gentleman from Morgan, Mr. Reilly."

"This is another reappropriation for exactly the same reason as with the Medical Center Commission. They thought that this rehabilitation of the Des Plaines Game Farms Site Residence would be completed by June 30th. It wasn't, so we have to reappropriate the money. There's no dollar change."

"The Gentleman moves for adoption of Senate... of Amendment #22 to Senate Bill 714. And on that, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall this Amendment be adopted?' All in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'nay'. The 'ayes' have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #23, Leverenz - Richmond, amends Senate Bill 714."

"The Gentleman from Cock, Mr. Leverenz."

"Thank you. Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, Amendment #23 would provide for a life safety improvement at the Elmore Infirmary for 46,000 dollars. It's the handicapped entrance for fire safety improvements also. And, it would provide 3.3 million dollars for the 126  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATF 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983 rehabilitation of existing facilities to serve as a veterans center at the Anna Mental Health and Developmental Center, and I move for the adoption of Amendment #23."

"The Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment #23 to Senate Bill 714. Is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall this Amendment be adopted?' All in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed say 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #24, Reilly - Farnes, amends Senate Bill 714 as amended."

"The Gentleman from Morgan, Mr. Reilly."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Amendment #24 makes no dollar change. It takes the Illinois and Michigan Canal State Park Project from the reappropriation requests and adds it to the new appropriation as requested by the Department of Conservation. There had been some change in plans, so they thought that it ought to be a new appropriation, but it's the same dollar amount. I would move adoption of Amendment #24."

"The Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment #24 to Senate Bill 714, and on that, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Cock, Mr. Leverenz."

"Could the Gentleman simply explain what Canal we're going to dig? Was that the Panama at 'Lock and Dam 26*2"

"Both, but we're improving them because we're going to lead them up to the Illinois and Michigan Canal."

"It is the Illinois - Michigan. Sounds like a tremendous project. Thank you."

"Further discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #24 be adopted?' All in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed say 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further 127  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE June 22, 1983 68th Legislative Day Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #325, Shaw, amends Senate Bill 714 as amended."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Shaw."

"Mr. Speaker, I'd like to withdraw that Motion."

"Amendment #25 to Senate Bill 714 is withdrawn. Further Amendments?"

"Amendment #26, Leverenz, arends Senate Bill 714 as amended."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Leverenz, to get himself together back there."

"Oh, I'm together. Thank you, Mr. Speaker, for helping we get it together. Amendment #26 to Senate Bill 714 would make no dollar change. It is a technical change in the one reappropriation made to the Capitol Development Board under Amendment 19, and it's the Cullerton cleanup Amendment. And I would move for the adoption of Amendment 26 to Senate Bill 714."

"The Gentleman moves for the adoption of Arendment #26 το Senate Pill 714. Or that, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, Shail this Amendment be adopted?" All in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'nay'. The 'ayes have it. The Arendment is adopted. Further Amendment?"

"Floor Amendment ent #327, Mays - DiPrima - Beilly, amends..."

"The Gentleman from Adams, Br. Mays."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Amendment #27 takes dowO the reappropriation Bill for the Veterans Home at Quincy in a like amount to the amount added with Amendment #15 to take care of deficiencies that were sighted by the Departsent of Public Health last month. It's an agreed Agendsent. I would urge 128  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OP BEFBESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 22, 1983 68th Legislative Day its adoption."

"The Gentleman moves for the adoption of Senate Amendment... House Amendment 27 to Senate Bill 714. Is there any discussion? There being none, the question... the question is, 'Shall this Amendment be adopted?' All in favor signify by saying 'aye', those cpposed 'nay'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendment?"

"Floor Amendment #28, Karpiel - Wojcik, amends Senate Eill 714."

"The lady from DuPage, Ms. Karpiel."

"Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker. Amendment #28 to Senate Bill 714 appropriates 354,845 dollars for the rehabilitation of the main entrance of the administrative and student union building at Willian Bainey Harper College in Palatine. These funds would be used to repair structural deficiencies that need correction to meet life, health and safety code standards, and I urge its adoption."

"The Lady moves for the adoption of Amendment #20 (sic - #28). Yes. Ms. Satterthwaite, for what purpose do you arise?"

"Question of the Sponsor?"

"Ch, well, yes, I will get you. I just wanted to put us in the correct parliamentary posture. The Lady from DuPage has moved for the adoption of Senate Bill... adoption of Amendment 28 to Senate Eill 714. On that, is there any discussion? The Lady from Champaign, Ms. Satterthwaite."

"Will the Sponsor yield for a question, please?"

"She indicates she will."

"Representative, do you know whether this appropriation has been processed through the Eoard of Higher Education?" 129  STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENEGAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEВАТЕ 68th Legislative Day

"No, it has not been yet." June 22, 1983

"It has not even been requested through that channel, so therefore, has not been approved."

"The Capital Development Board, I understand, has looked at it and looked at the deficiencies there."

"But... But usually the request is submitted through the Bcard of Higher Education. The Board of Higher Education submits a list cf priorities among all of the higher education facilities, and then the Capitol Development Board or the Bureau of the Eudget decides how many of those projects can be funded. Eut ycu're saying that this project has not gone that route of request through the Ecard of Higher Education."

"No, not yet."

"It has not. Thank you."

"Have you concluded, Ms. Satterthwaite? The Gentleman from Hardin, Mr. Bea, did you have your light on? You're right. Further discussion? There being none, Ms. Karpiel tc close."

"I would simply urge its adoption. It's very necessary. The... It's causing a health safety code standards deficiency, and I would appreciate a "yes vote."

"The question is, "Shall Amendment #28 be adopted? All in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'nay". The 'ayes have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendment?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. On the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading, Appropriations appears Senate Eill 715. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 715, a Bill fcr an Act making appropriations to the Board of Trustees of the University of Illinois. Second Beading of the Bill. Amendments #1, 3 130  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983 and 5 were adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions with respect to the Bill?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #6, Leverenz, amends Senate Bill 715..."

"Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Leverenz."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and I apologize for taking the time of the House. Amendment #6 would appropriate 1,340,000 dollars to the Board of Trustees of the University of Illinois for the operation, maintenance and management of the technology park in Chicago. I would move for the adoption of the Amendment."

"Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment 6 to Senate Bill 715. Is there any discussion? The Lady from Champaign, Ms. Satterthwaite."

"Will the Sponsor yield for a question?"

"Indicates that he will."

"Representative Leverenz, how does that differ from the original purpose of the Bill?"

"I'm sorry. Would the distinguished Lady repeat her question?"

"How does this Amendment differ from the original Bill?"

"Not too much. Just a little bit, and I move for the adoption of the Amendment."

"Ms. Satterthwaite, proceed."

"Well, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, I realize that this Bill, if it passes in the House, will go to Conference Committee. I have no objection. I just did not understand why this money was being revised or what was happening."

"A very good question. let me simply state that I have 131  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF BEPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983 an obligation to a number of people on this side of the aisle. It is an agreed Arendnent on this side of the aisle. Apparently, you were not fully informed that this is a replacement for House Bill 1856."

"Thank you very much. I will accept the Arendment."

"Further Amendments... Further discussion? There being none, the question is, Shall this Amendment be adopted?* All in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed nay, and the 'ayes' have it. And the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendment?"

"Amendment #7, Shaw, arends Senate Bill 715 as amended."

"Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Shaw."

"This is an Amendment... appropriation for 700,000 dollars to be transferred from the... transferred from Conservation to the General Revenue Fund."

"Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment #7 to Senate Bill 715. Is there any discussion? There being none, the guestion is, Shall this Amendment be adopted? All in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed "nay. The 'ayes have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendment?"

"Nc further Amendments."

"Third Beading. On the Order of Second Beading - Appropriations - appears Senate Eill 766. Mr. Clerk, is... Mr. Nash? Mr. Bowman, you're taking that.. Okay. Mr. Clerk, read the Pill."

"Senate Bill 766, a Bill fcr an Act making appropriations for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Guardianship and Advocacy Commission. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendments #1, 2, 3 and 4 were adopted in Committee." 132  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY BOUS SE OF REP REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 68th Legislative Day

"Any Motions?"

"No Notions filed."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments." June 22, 1983

"Third Reading. On Fage 31 of the Calendar still on the Order of Senate Fills Second Reading, Appropriations appears Senate Bill 1144. Mr. Clerk, read the Eill."

"Senate Bill 1144, a Bill for an Act relating to professions and occupations. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee. Amendment #2 lost in Committee."

"Are there any Motions?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Flocr Amendments."

"Third Reading. Returning on page 27 of the Calendar, Senate Bills Second Feading, Appropriations appears Senate Bill 377, MI. Clerk, call the Bill. Read the Bill." Clerk Leone; "Senate Bill 377, a Bill fcr an Act making appropriations for the ordinary and contingent expenses cf the Illinois Commerce Commission. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendments #1 and 2 were adopted in Committee."

"And Motion to tab... Any Mctions?"

""Motion. I move to table Amendment #232 to Senate Bill 377, Representative Birkinbine.'"

"Mr. Eirkinkine."

"Thank you, Με.. Speaker. I think there was a parliamentary question pending raised by Mr. Vinson on this Bill, which is why it was taken out of the record. My Motion is still fending, but I think we took it out of the record because of a parliamentary inguiry raised by 133  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983 Representative Vinson and Democratic staff..."

"Well, did you want to withdraw your Motion, Mr. Birkinbine? Is that what I understand?"

"No. No, what I'm saying is the crder of the Chair right now is a parliamentary inquiry."

"Gentleman... We'll get back to you in a second. The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Leverenz."

"Yes, I think I'll square it all away by saying, if the Motion is withdrawn, I intend to withdraw the Amendment or table it rather. It's got a defect in it, and we're going to go with Amendment 5." Speaker Greiman; "Mr. Eirkinkine."

"That being the case, I will withdraw my Motion on Amendment #2."

"Gentleman withdraws his Notion to table Amendment #2. On Amendment #2, Mr. Leveren2."

"Withdraw the... Is the Amendment adopted? Then I..."

"Yes. Mr. Matijevich."

"Since it is a Committee Amendment, I think the only thing we can do is table it. So, leave..."

"Yes, that's right. We..."

"... to table Committee Agendaent #2."

"Mr. Leverenz moves to table Amendment #2. All in favor of the Motion to table signify by saying "aye", those opposed 'nay". The 'ayes have it, and Amendment #2 is tabled. Further Amendments?"

"Amendment #3, Matijevich, amends Senate Bill 377 as amended."

"Gentleman from Lake, Mr. Matijevich."

"Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, Amendment #3 is no dollar change. It adds a line in the EDP Division for retirement payable from the Fublic Utility Fund, which was omitted from the original copy of House 134  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983 Amendment #1 so that this Amendment now makes the Bill technically correct. I move the adoption of Amendment #3."

"Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment #3 to Senate Bill 377. On that, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Birkinbine. Mr. Matijevich, are you getting instructions on that phone?"

"No, I... I was on the phone and then this came up."

"Alright. Thank you."

"Somebody's holding."

"Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Birkinbine."

"No question. I see an explanation of this Amendment now. I missed his mumbling. So, I wasn't sure exactly what he was offering."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Fiel. There being no further discussion, all those in favor signify... Shall Amendment #3 be adopted? All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'nay'. The 'ayes' have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendment?"

"Floor Amendment #4, Matijevich, amends Senate Bill 377 as amended."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Matijevich."

"How do you do? I've always been accused of being from Cook County."

"Gentleman from Lake, Mr. Matijevich."

"That a boy, Al. I move... or I withdraw Amendment #4. We no longer need this Amendment."

"Gentleman withdraws Amendment 4 to Senate Bill 377. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #5, Leverenz, amends Senate Bill 377 as amended."

"Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Leverenz."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I would move for the adoption of Amendment #5 which 135  STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENEBAL ASSENELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION LEBATE 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983 would provide 100,000 dollars or whatever it takes to get the CUB off the ground. It would be appropriated from the Public Utility Fund to the Commerce Commission for the purpose of making loans. The loans would be repaid from the voluntary contributions. We had a discussion about the whole thing earlier. Specifically, it does say 'lcan, no gift, and the 500,000 dollars is appropriated from the Public Utility Fund for the Department of Energy and Natural Resources for ccal research... for the Coal Research Board for operations and research. And I would move for the adoption of Amendrent #35 tc Senate Bil1 377."

"Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment 5 to Senate Bill 377. And on that, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Firkinkine."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield for a question?"

"He indicates that he will."

"In Section 6 of Amendment 5 where you're making this loan of up to 100,000 dollars to the Citizens Utility Board, is there some form of guarantee that those dollars would be returned?"

"Well, I would believe that we would not lay out the entire contract that the ICC would draft; but, when we questioned them in Committee and knowing what the development would be from the voluntary contributions from all over the state, and especially with your five dollars and my five dollars, I'm sure all the money will come back."

"What is the time frame that this money is to be paid back?"

"I believe that that would be acre appropriate to be part of the contract, rather than in the Bill, and it would be as timely as the mail goes out with the bills from the 136  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENEGAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day public utilities and that the money June 22, 1983 would be in an appropriate return envelope probably to the ICC. Eut that should be part of the contract also.hould you not agree?"

"Thank you. Mr. Speaker, to the Eill."

"Froceed, Sir."

"Proceed."

"This is the, in correct form, the same as Amendment #2 to Senate Bill 377. You heard discussion from a number of Members saying how people across the state have said they wanted a Citizens Utility Board and how Members of this House and the Senate both agree that we should have a Citizens Utility Board. I don't dispute that one bit, but the people across the state, and ycu, and I and the Senate Members, when We were asked to vote on whether or not we wanted a Citizens' Utility Board, were assured by everyone who got up in both chambers and by everyone who was pushing the Citizens Utility Board concept across this state that it would be funded by voluntary contributions. No tax dollars would be involved. In fact, it says as much right in the literature that the citizens for Citizens' Utility Board were distributing around the state. It says not a single tax dollar would be used in the Citizens Utility Board. While having voted that we dc want something like that, now the second shoe drces, and indeed they do want use of taxpayers dollars. And there is no guarantee that we're going to get this money back. There's no schedule laid out for the Citizens' Utility Ecard would be get it back. And if the kind of fiscal troubles that the Citizens' Utility Board in Bisconsin bas had is anything like what we're likely to have here in Illinois, there won't be any dollars to pay back to the state on this initial loan. I would remind you, in this call for the need for seed money to get this rolling, that the Illinois 137  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983 Public Action Council never came to the state looking for seed money. The Illinois Taxpayers Federation never came to the state looking for seed money. The Sierra Club never came to a Body such as this and said, "We need a seed money to get it going." If indeed this is such a terrific idea and everyone's going to jump on the band wagon, seed money should nct be ny problem, especially since this is supposed to be a private citizens Ecard. Fach and every supporter of CUB who got up to speak on this floor referred to how it would not involve tax dcllars. Now we find that we're being suckered by that, and we're being asked to put out taxpayers money. Hom The fact that people wanted a Citizens' Utility Board and voted for it and that you and my colleagues on this side of the aisle vote for it does not enter into the discussion, because now we're talking taxpayers dollars. And from SCBE cf the entertaining comments by the Gentleman from Rogers Fark who referred to the fact that a CUB was worth спе GovernoΣ ernor Thompson, in fact a CUB was worth ten Governor Thompson, I would say the only COB worth ten GovernoΣ Thompson's is Pill "Buckner'. Ic the last election, he voted Republican. I urge a 'no' vcte on this Amendment."

"The Gentleman from Vermilion, Mr. Stuffle."

"I don't know how to follow that Eill 'Buckner comment, but his batting average has gone down significantly since then, too. But Members of the Ecuse, on this Amendment it's obvious that if we fail to adopt the Amendment, if HE fail to put the money in place, that we push back the date and the time that the CUB becomes effective, even if we pass the authorizing legislation, which we will. I repeat what I said before. The CUE was before the people of this state in community after comsunity, Democratic community and Republican alike. It passed overwhelmingly. It was 138  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day never rejected. June 22, 1983 We're telling the people that we aren't willing to put it in place at the appropriate time, as they want it, if we don't do this, if we don't pass this Amendment. This Amendment is absolutely crucial to the effectiveness of that program supported by the people of this state throughout this state. They will get the money back quickly. I think, if you even listen to the last speaker's comments aside from his Buckner comments, you heard him say he thought that it was such a good program. It would quickly bring in new money, money from the people which it will and quickly we can repay under a loan agreement the 100,000 dollars. It's essential that we have this, or we will push back the date and the effectiveness of the CUB. We should adopt Amendment #5."

"The Gentleman from McHenry, Mr. Klemm."

"Thank... Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I just want to add that I agree that this Amendment should not be put on this Bill. You know, we have worked very hard in the Utilities Committee to try to formulate an agreement that both sides of the aisle can accomplish and try to create a workable CUB's Bill. I think we've done that. We've worked in a bipartisan effort to try to accomplish exactly what the citizens throughout the state in previous votes throughout referendums they've had have already expressed that they wished for us to adopt a CUB's Bill. We're doing that. We're working together, and I think we're providing the needed safeguards for this type of legislation. I really think that to add this or and to add more Amendments to change the complexion of this particular type of legislation at this time is really inappropriate, and we should not adopt Amendment #5."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Brookins."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise in support of Amendment 139  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983 #5. Any good businessmen know you must put some investment into a good project before you can get it off the ground. We, too, had meetings in our community. We got favorable reports on the CUB Bill. So, now we need to implement it; and, in order to implement it, we must fund the thing or loan the money to the project so we can get it off the ground. It's been worked out where that they will repay the money. So, there's no danger. I ask for a favorable vote on this Amendment."

"Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Levin."

"I, too, rise in support of this Amendment. As I indicated on Amendment #1, there is a logistical problem that this Amendment attempts to deal with and, that is; that in the CUB Bill, there is a requirement that the utilities be reimbursed for the cost of any mailing within 60 days. Now, that's a substantial financial outlay, and they may have... the CUB may not have the money in the coffers to pay within that 60 days. So, this is not only a benefit to the CUB to make CUB effective, it also is a benefit to the utilities. It insures that they, in fact, will be reimbursed for their out of pocket expenses in terms of the CUB mailings. We need this to make CUE effective, and I urge affirmative votes."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Cullerton."

"Yes, I just wanted to point out that Wrigley field is in my district; and, if we can give 100,000 dollars to the Cubs, I think they can pick up a good free agent, and I think this is a good Amendment."

"Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Marzuki."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I rise in support of this Amendment. I think this is an opportunity to work with the people, both Republicans and Democrats, in order to bring the citizen input into the 140  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983 process of rate increases in the Commerce Commission. I think it would be absolutely fatal to deny this money, which is not going to cost the taxpayers anything. The money will be paid back. I don't even know why it is considered as a cost to the taxpayers. The taxpayers, by the way, are the people who want this legislation. I urge its adoption."

"Gentleman from Adams, Mr. Mays."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Would the Gentleman... Sponsor yield for a question? Wherever he or she is?"

"Indicates he will."

"Ted... There you go. This money is coming out of the Public Utility Fund. Is that correct?"

"Yep."

"And what monies go into the Public Utility Fund?"

"Monies from the public utilities."

"Public utility taxes or public utilities, you know... are those monies generated through rates..."

"They are not voluntary contributions."

"Okay. To the Bill, Mr. Speaker."

"Proceed, Mr. Mays."

"I think many of the arguments that Mr. Birkinbine and Mr. Klemm raised previously are very well founded, and I would only want to add one thing. What we're doing with this Amendment is setting a precedent. We are going to be funding the Citizens' Utility Bill... or Board through the Public Utility Fund. There's... You know, if the Wisconsin experience repeats itself, they may come back for more money than they've got already, whether they've paid back the previous loan or not. I would urge a 'no' vote simply because of the precedent we're setting at this point."

"Further discussion? Gentleman from Cook, Mr. 141  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day Shaw."

"Move the previous question, Mr. Speaker."

"Well, there's no one Accordingly, Mr. Leverenz to close." June 22, 1983 seeking recognition.

"Well, on Amendment #5, what we are doing here is speaking out for the citizens in the City of Chicago which voted, by referendum, that we should have CUB by a five to one referendum. We are speaking out for 110 municipalities around the state which voiced their opinion. We are to, I'm sure, reflect and represent their interests here. Without this, we might bind or hamper the implementation of the CUB. You know and I know there is only one thing that is of primary... or two things of primary importance on a consumer's mind, taxes and utility rates. Your 'aye' vote on Amendment #5 will provide the correct amount of money on a loan basis to start the CUE, and get it off the ground and give them some help and protection. I move now for the adoption of Amendment 5 to Senate Bill 377."

"Question is, 'Shall Amendment 5 be adopted?' All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, we need a Roll Call. All those in favor of Amendment #5 signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'nay'. The voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Amendment, there are 69 voting 'aye', 42 voting 'no', 1 voting 'present', and this Amendment is adopted. Further Amendment?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Alright. On page 31 of the Calendar, Senate Bills Second Reading, Appropriations appears Senate Bill 1144. We previously read it; and, for technical reasons prefer... would now move to that Order to read it again. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill. 1144." 142  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF BEFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983

"Senate Bill 1144, a Bill for an Act relating to making appropriations to State Attorneys' Appellate Service Commission. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee. Amendment #2 lost in Committee."

"Any Motions?"

"No Mations filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Alright. On page 31 of the Calendar on the Order of Consideration Fostponed appears Senate Bill 37. Out of the record. Senate Bill 112. Cut of the record. Senate Bill 239. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 239, a Bill for an Act concerning the regulation of shorthand reporting. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Gentleman... Just stand at ease for a moment. Mr. Cullerton, we're going to take this cut of the record for a little while. We'll be back to you, though. We are now moving to the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading, the general subject matter of Bills that are on Short Debate. And first... And for Special Order... Special Order. Cn that Order of Eusiness appears Senate Bill 1238. Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 1238, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois hage Fayment and Collection Act."

"Out of the record. Yes, Mr... The Gentleman from Morgan, Mr. Beilly."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could you... I don't think there's any dispute, but could you just repeat cne more time what Order of Business you're on?"

"What the Order is?"

"Gr make up a new one." 143  STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF BEFRESENTATIVES TRANSCSIFTION CEBATE 68th Legislative Day

June 22, 1983 "Mr. Reilly, it is my understanding that there is agreement to go to Bills... Bills cn Second Reading which will be on Special Orders tomorick."

"And you're just going to asend them and..."

"And move them to Third, right."

"As long as..."

"As long as they're noncontroversial."

"Yeah. That is my understanding of the agreement. Sore of the Members didn't hear what you said the first timе."

"That is correct. That is the understanding."

"Alright. Thank you."

"And then we will get to our Special Order. ΜΣ. Fiel."

"So, Mr. Cullerton won't accuse you of what he accused the previous Speaker of the House of dcing, could you give us a little bit of an idea of which Bills are going to be heard so we're not jumping all over the Calendar trying to figure out where we're at?"

"Well, on the Order... Ly don't you send somebody up here, and we'll give you a list as we call them. Why don't you do that rather thar..."

"Well, we have 118 Members here. It would be nice if we could all follow what we're doing on the Calendar."

"Those Bills that are cn Special Crder for tomorrow that are presently cn the Grder of Second Reading... Senate Bills Second Beading that we will be calling are 25, 536, 786, 891, 982, 1000, 1011, 1024 1027, 1033, 1057, 1070, 1257, 1260, 1301. Now, on the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading Subject... that are on Special Orders for tomorrow appears Senate Bill 25. Hㄷ. Clerk, read the Fill."

"Senate Bill 25, a Fill for an Act to amend an Act relating to shared work unemployment benefits. Second 144  STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983 Reading of the Bill. No Coomittee Anendaents."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #1, Levin Clson, amends Senate Bill 25 on page two by deleting line one through five..."

"Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Levin."

"Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Amendment #1 to Senate Fill 25 simply removes a paragraph, paragraph (c), from the Eili which should not have been in it. When the Bill was being circulated, the draft of the Bill was being circulated in the Senate, that paragraph was not in it. There was an objection from the Illinois Retail Merchants, and this simply takes that out. Let me make one further point. There are questions about this Bill as far as compliance with federal... federal requirements, and it's not my intention to call the Bill on Third unless there is full agreement on that. But I do want to put this Amendment on. It's an agreed Amendment; and, if there are problems, we will not call the Bill on Third. But this puts the Bill in the form that it was agreed tc by all of the parties and just takes out a paragraph."

"Gentleman moves for the adoption cf Amendment #1 to Senate Bill 25. Is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, Shall this Amendment te adopted?' All in favor signify by saying... Yes, Gentleman from Peoria, Mr. Tuerk."

"Would the Sponsor yield to a question?"

"Indicates he will."

"Is Ar. Clson in agreement with this Amendment?"

"yes."

"Thank you."

"Question is, Shall this Amendment be adopted? All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 145  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983 'nay'. The 'ayes' have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendment?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Senate Bill 536, cn the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 536, a Bill for an Act regulating labor relations between public employees... employers and emplcyees and creating the Illinois Latcr Belations Board. Second Reading of the Bill. No CcRmittee Amendments."

"Take that out of the record. On the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading appears Senate Bill 786. Mr. Clerk, read the Fill."

"Senate Bill 786, a Bill for an Act to amend the Environmental Protection Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #2 was adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions?"

"No Bations filed."

"Any... Flcor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Senate Eill 891. Mr. Clerk, read the Fill."

"Senate Bill 891, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act creating the Lepartrent cf Children and Family Services. es. Second Beading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Are there any Motions?"

"No Motions filed." Speaker Greiman: eiman: "Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2, Freston, amends Senate Bill 891 by deleting the title and so forth."

"Well.... Br.. Saltsman, you want tc take that out of the record for awhile. NO. Se'll take that cut of the record just for a little while. We'll be back. Senate 146  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENEBAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983 Bill 982. Out of the record. Cn the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading appears Senate Bill 1000. Mr. Clerk, read the Fill."

"Senate Bill 1000, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act to create the Prairie State 2000 Fund. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Ficor Amendments. Wait. Maybe there is. No Floor Amendments."

"Take 1000 out cf the recced right for the moment. On the Order of Senate Eills Second Reading appears Senate Bill 1011. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 1011, a Bill for an Act to amend the Intergovernmental Cooperation Act. Second Beading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Avenduents?"

"Floor Amendment #1, Fangle Fanayotovich, amends Senate Bill 1011 on page three by inserting inmediately after line four the following."

"Mr. Fangle. Yes, I see him. Yes, for what purpose does the Gentleman from Cock, MI. Piel, rise?"

"Question of the Clerk. Is is Fangie Fanayctovich, or it is Bullock Panayotovich?"

"Bullock Fanayotovich."

"Thank you."

"We'll take that Bill cut of the record for a moment of twG. On the Order of Senate Eills Second Reading appears Senate Bill 1024. Mr. Clerk... Mr. Stuffle in the chamber? Out of the record. On the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading appears Senate Bill 1027. Mr. Clerk... Mr. Giorgi, do you want to go with that, 1027? Mr. Clerk, read the Eill."

"Senate Pill 1027, a Bill for an Act creating the 147  STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day Illinois Municipal Financing Agency. June 22, 1983 Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #2 was adopted in Committee."

"Are there any Motions?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. On the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading appears Senate Fill 1053. Mr. Berrios? Mr. Kulas? Out of the record. On the Crder of Senate Bills Second Reading appears Senate Fill 1057. Mr. Clerk, read the Fill."

"Senate Bill 1057, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act concerning public utilities. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #2 was adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Flocr Amendments."

"Third Reading. Mr. Cullerton."

"The guestion there bas whether or not there was a fiscal note filed. Has a fiscal note been filed?"

"Mr. Clerk, there is a request for a fiscal note. Has one been filed?"

"Fiscal note is filed.'

"Okay. Thank you."

"MC. Klemn, did you have anything further? Third Reading. On the Order of Senate Fills Second Reading appears Senate Bill 1070. Mr. Matijevich, 10703 MI. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 1070, a Bill fcr an Act to amend an Act concerning injuries and disabilities caused by exposure to asbestos. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 and 2 were adopted in Committee." 148  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day

"Any Motions?"

"No Mctions filed."

"Floor Amendments?" June 22, 1983

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Just backing up one that we missed. On the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading appears Senate Bill 1033. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 1033, a Bill for an Act to create the Illinois Neighborhood Corp Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. 1257, I think, is out of the record. No? Want to go with it? Alright. Mr. Clerk, on the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading appears Senate Bill 1257. Call the Bill."

"Senate Bill 1257, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act relating to interstate compacts and agreements concerning nuclear wastes. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. On the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading appears Senate Bill 1260. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 1260, a Bill for an Act to amend the Environmental Protection Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Amendment #1, Homer, amends Senate Bill 12..."

"Gentleman from Fulton, Mr. Homer."

"Mr. Speaker, I would withdraw Amendment #1."

"Gentleman requests to withdraw Amendment #1 to 149  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day Senate Bill 1260.

Any further Amendments?" June 22, 1983 "Floor Amendment #2, O'Connell, amends Senate Bill 1260..."

"Gentleman from Cook, Mr. O'Connell."

"I'd like to have leave to withdraw that Amendment."

"Gentleman withdraws Amendment #2 to Senate Bill 1260. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #3, Homer, amends Senate Bill 1260..."

"Gentleman from Fulton, Mr. Ecmcr."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen. Amendment #3 is a result of negotiations with interested groups, including the Illinois State Chamber and the Illinois Manufacturers' Association and the Illinois Attorney General's Office, and basic... it's basic provision is that this... the Bill itself deals with the... with the Amendment to the Environmental Protection Act and the siting requirements for regional pollution control facilities. And the thrust of the Amendment would allow for the applicant for a regional pollution control facility, when it involves the disposal of hazardous waste, to, first of all, negotiate the permit applications and provisions thereof with the Illinois Environmental Protection Agency prior to the setting of a public hearing. And so, the Bill does... the Amendment would provide that that the public hearing requested sculd not be until after these preliminary negotiations were conducted and until the IEPA had taken a preliminary position with regards to the issuance or denial of the permit. In addition, the Amendment provides that the Section itself shall cease to apply upon the phasing in of phase two of the RCRA requirements, that's the Resource Conservation Recover Act. Once the IEPA is empowered to issue permits 150  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF BEFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983 pursuant to FCFA in phase two, then this Eill cr the provisions would no longer have affect. I would ask for the adoption of the Abendment, and I know of no opposition."

"Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment #3 to Senate Bill 1260. On that, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall this Amendment be adopted?* All in favor signify by saying 'aye, those opposed 'nay. The ayes have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendment?”

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. On the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading afpears Senate Fill 1301. Mr. Clerk. Yes. On... On 1260 there has been a reguest for a fiscal note as amended. So, the Bill will remain on the Order of Second Reading. On the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading appears Senate Bill 1301. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 1301, a Bill for an Act in relation to deputy registrars and temporary places of registration. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #1, Yourell."

"Gentleman from Cock, MI. Zourell."

"Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker. I ask leave to withdraw Axendment #1."

"Gentleman asks to withdraw Amendment #1 to Senate Bill 1301. The Amendment is withdrawn. Froceed. Further Amendments?"

"Arendment #2, Yourell, anends Senate Eill 1301..."

"Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Yourell."

"Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'd like to have leave tc withdraw Amendment #2." 151  STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENEGAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day

June 22, 1983 "Gentleman withdraws Agendaent #2 to Senate Bill 1301. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #3, Yourell." "Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Yourell."

"Thank you, Mr... Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I move to adopt Amendment #3 to Senate Bill 1301 which embodies all the changes that we made after meeting on several occasions relative to the provisions of... of this Bill. I move the adoption of Amendment #33 to Senate Bill 1301." Speaker Greiman: #3 to Senate Bill 1301. On that, is there any discussion? Gentleman from Lee, Mr. Olson." "Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment MI Speaker, Ladies and

"Thank... Thank you very much, Gentlemen of the House. Would the Sponsor yield?" Speaker Greiman: 01son: "Indicates he will." "Bepresentative Yourell, Im looking at a copy of the Amendment #3 to 1301; and, if I am reading this correctly, it has deleted the provisions for extraneous groups to become deputy registrars other that labor organizations and their duly elected officers. Is that correct?"

"We tightened up that list, Representative Olson. I don't know whether you were in contact with all of those organizations and individuals that had some input into this Bill, but there were... it deleted the Civic, fraternal, not-for-profit, social service organization officers and so forth out of the Bill." 0lson: "At the time of the Committee hearing, you may recall I quizzed Rich Walsh on various aspects of this. Would this then exclude organizations such as might be construed to be political in nature, such as a ward precinct township committee organization?"

"Yes, they are not in the... in the Fill as it presently 152  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983 is constituted with Amendment #3."

"Thank you. To the Bill.. or to the Amendment, Mr. Speaker."

"Proceed."

"We spent a great deal of time on this in the Elections Committee just a couple weeks ago Friday, and we will discuss the Bill at length when it goes to a full hearing on Friday. But I would wish to point cut to the Members of this General Assembly that this Bill is very heavily tipped in the direction of registration of eligible voters, and now we are adding to that one single entity and that is the entity of labor organizations and their people who they direct to become deputy registrars. And I would urge you to consider that very carefully before you accept the adoption of Amendment #3. I would urge a "no" vote."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Piel."

"Will the Gentleman yield for a question, please?"

"Indicates he will."

"Representative Yourell, if I read this correctly, you know, does this provide that the Department of Public Aid, Secretary of State and Unemployment Office employees are eligible to serve as deputy registrars of registration?"

"That is correct."

"At their places of employment?"

"Fardon me?"

"At their places of employment."

"What was the first word?"

"At their places of employment."

"Yes. That's correct."

"So, in other words, if this Bill passes or if this Amendment goes on the Bill and the Bill passes and signed into law, the Department of Public Aid and the Unemployment Office, Secretary of State's Office, they will be taking 153  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day voters' registrations from now on?"

"That's correct. June 22, 1983 They're eligible to do it. It doesn't mandate that they do it. If they want to do that, they can. It provides that the employees of the Department of Public Aid, Secretary of State and the Department of Labor are eligible to serve as deputy registrars for conducting registrations, but it doesn't mandate that they do so."

"What is the reason for spreading it out over so many different areas?"

"Well, since you were not privy to the meetings that we had, there were about 60 organizations that were represented... represented in the meetings that we had relative to this Bill, and we deleted a lot of representatives of those organizations. But we thought that public places, particularly government public places, and that includes libraries, universities and so forth, should be used for registration of voters since that is a very paramount issue today to make it easier for people to become registered to vote in the State of Illinois. And these are temporary places of registration during a certain time of year when they should be able to register those people and be... entitled to be deputy registrars."

"Libraries and things like that I can understand. But don't you think, when you start opening up the Unemployment Office and the Public Aid Office and the Secretary of State's Office, that you're opening up to the potential of vote fraud or the fraudulent use of voters registration?"

"Well, we had no opposition to those individuals relative to this Amendment. So, I have no problem with the government offices being used for places of registration. If that's opening up the registration process, so be it. I think that's what it's all about. That really is the merit of the Bill." 154  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 68th Legislative Day

"Thank you."

"Gentleman from Kendall, Mr. Hastert."

"A question. Would the Sponser yield for a question? All... I just have a guestion. Is there a fiscal note..."

"Yes, go ahead."

"Is there a fiscal note filed on this Bill?"

"Yes, Sir."

"Do we know about what the dollar ancunt is?"

"Well, the fiscal note will be filed on Senate Bill 1301 as amended. And the fiscal note indicates there will be no substantial new duties on the state other than the designing of a form, and it will only accrue an inconsequential cost to the state in form of staff time."

"Thank you, Sir."

"Gentleman frco McLean, Mr. Hopp."

"Mr. Speaker, would the Sponsor yield?"

"Indicates he will."

"Just a question, and I know that everyone is interested in getting everycne the opportunity to vcte and to register why don't we just have a provision where, as soon as you're born and as soon as you became 21, you're eligible to vote right off?"

"That's alright with me, Sir."

"Well, I'm not sure that's such a good idea really. I think, as a citizen of this state and of the United States, voting is a privilege and with that privilege also goes a responsibility, and that responsibility means that you have to become registered. And that means you have to put a little effort forward. And I think, by this particular Amendment, not only are we taking away the responsibility of individuals, but we're allowing almost anyone without a responsibility to be eligible to vote. And I think with that right goes responsibility, and this Amendment takes 155  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENEGAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983 away the responsibility. So, I urge a "no vote."

"Gentleman from Champaign, Mr. Johnson."

"Is there any provision in this Amendment for permitting voter registration, let's say, at insurance company offices, corporate offices?"

"No."

"Is there any provision in this Amendment that would allow voter registration at Farm Bureau offices?"

"No."

"Is there anything in this Amendment that would permit registration at general.... within the confines of a corporation or business?"

"No."

"Don't you think to be fair that there ought to be provisions for that?"

"Well, we could include a lot of places of registration, but we tried to confine it what is commonly known as governmental entities. And we had a lot of deletions relative to some of the things that you referred to, and we had a lot of opposition to that from those people that you mentioned. And so, that's why we deleted the list."

"Is a labor organization connected with... or somehow a quasi governmental entity or a governmental entity?"

"No."

"Well, I would suggest to you, and I guess when I make this suggestion that automatically we have a 70 to 48 vote, but I would suggest to you that the.. that the Amendment really directs itself towards providing voter registration at entities that are most accessible to and connected with the opposition party. And I would suggest that if we want to be fair, I could give Representative Yourell a series a lists of what would be traditionally constituencies of this side of the aisle. I don't think there's anything wrong 156  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day with our current voter registration list. turnouts. June 22, 1983 We have made big Feople who are interested in the process have every opportunity to vote and every opportunity to register to vote. I don't think our current system is working to the detriment either of either Farty or of particular interest groups in society. And I think once we open it up, as this Amendment would purport to do, we're deliberately and willfully slanting the tilt towards constituencies who have traditionally been associated with one side or the other. And I don't think people on the ot... that side of the aisle really want to do that. I hope that a majority of people on both sides of the aisle want to be fair, want to provide a system where people can be accessible and made accessible to the voter registration process without making a mockery of it, and I think that Amendment... this Amendment, if adcfted, at least in part would open the process up so much tc fraud and abuse and to... the registration process beyond cur control that we'd wind up having a system that people couldn't live with. I think it's an ill-founded but probakly well intended Amendment, but I urge a 'no' vote."

"Gentleman from Cock, Mr. Bullock."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I Was listening to my colleague from Champaign speak, and it just dawned on me that fcr the first time I've heard an elected official stand on the floor of the House and say that the majority of unemployed people in this state and the majority of the people in this state that go to public aid offices are Democrats. I think that's a profound admission on the floor of this House that the three-quarters of a million unemployed are Democrats and also that a majority of the unemployed people of this state on general assistance and public aid are Democrats. 157  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983 I think that's the most significant thing that's been said in this chamber today. And if for no other reason than to vote for Amendment #3, it to help Democrats who are unemployed and poor and who are seeking driver's licenses. That's a great pronouncement, and I urge an 'aye vote."

"Gentleman from Adams, Mr. Mays."

"I wasn't initially intending to speak on this, Mr. Speaker, but I would just like to point out to the previous Gentleman's remarks, they might be affiliated with that Party, because that Party's done such a great job in swelling their ranks over the last eight years. And I would just simply say that you have to look at who's speaking and supporting this when you cast your votes."

"Further discussion? There being none, Representative Yourell to close."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I understand some of the issues that have been raised by the opponents to this Amendment, but I would remind them also that there's a lot of agencies involved that don't establish their credentials with any constituency, such as libraries, the Secretary of State's Office - and I repeat, the Secretary of State's Office - universities and so forth. And I don't know how you define what constituency those institutions would be identified with, but I suggest that the real merit to this Amendment would be that it would make it much easier for individuals in Illinois to register to vote and to engage in the electoral process. Aside from that, it also provides for a standardized form and not in size or some other way, but the information on that form, that would be designed by the State Board of Election, that would be used in every... in all of the 102 counties of the State of Illinois so that when one individual moves from one county to another, that 158  STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983 form would follow him to the next election jurisdiction which would the be the county clerk, and then they would be automatically sent a change cf address card and automatically be registered to vote without being reminded a half a dozen times and then finally, perhaps, miss cut on that opportunity to register to be able to vote. 1 think this is an excellent Amendment, and I would ask for your affirmative vote."

"The question is, 'Shall Amendment #3 be adopted?' All those in favor signify... Mr. Olson, for what purpose do you rise? Mr. Olson requests a Bcll Call vote. He's joined by the appropriate number. Question is, 'Shall this Amendment be adopted?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vcte 'no'. Voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Amendment there are 69 voting 'aye', 48 voting 'nc', none voting 'present', and this Amendment is adopted. Further Amendment?"

"Floor Amendment #4, Yourell, amends Senate Bill 1301..."

"Gentleman from Ccok, Mr. Yourell."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I would ask leave to withdraw Amendment #4."

"Gentleman withdraws Amendment #4 tc Senate Bill 1301. Further Amendment?"

"Floor Amendment #5, Yourell, amends Senate Bill 1301..."

"Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Yourell."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I ask you to adopt Amendment #5 to Senate Bill 1301. It's a technical clean-up Amendment and deletes erroneous provisions regarding forms being prepared or provided at state expense to Article V jurisdictions. In other words, 159  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENEGAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REFBESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEВАТЕ 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983 this will not cost the state any money to do this, and I move the adoption of Amendment #35 to Senate Bill 1301."

"Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment #5 to Senate Eill 1.30 1. And on that, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, Shall this Amendment be adopted?' All in favor signify by saying 'ayed, those opposed 'nay. The Mayes have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendment?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Alright. Se are now returning are to the same Order of Call at the top chronologically. We on first... Second Beading, Senate Bills, Short Debate Bills that are on Special Orders tomcrICH. And on that appears Senate Bill 1238. Mr. Clerk... Mr. Curran, out of the record? Alright. Out of the record. Alright. Mr. Clerk, I will again call Senate Bill 1238. If you'll read the Bill, and we'll allow it to stay on the Order of Second Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the..."

"Senate Bill 1238, a Bill for an Act to amend the Wage Fayment and Collection Act. Second heading Illinois of the Bill."

"And the Bill will be held CD Second heading. NOW, we will now move to the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading, Bills that are to be cn Special Crders fcr tomorrow. First Bill, Mr. Clerk, Senate Bill 536. Read the Bill, and then we will then hold it On the Order of Second Reading." and

"Senate Bill 536, a Bill for an Act regulating labor relations between public employers/employees creating the Illinois Labor Belations Board. Second Reading of the Bill."

"The Fill will be held on the Order of Second Reading. 00 the Order of Second Reading, Senate Bills 160  STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENEGAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CREATE June 22, 1983 68th Legislative Day appears Senate Bill 891. ar. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 891, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act creating the Department cf Children and Family Services. Second Reading of the Fill. Amendment #1 Was adopted in Committee. Amendment #1 vas adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions?"

"No Motions filed."

"Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2, Preston, arends Senate Bill 891..."

"Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Ereston."

"Thank you, Br. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Avenduent #2 to Senate Bill 891 is a duplication of what was House Bill 1490 that vas sponsored by Representative Oblinger and myself, and Fassed on the Consent Calendar and was sent over to the Senate. Through misfortune GD the part of the Senate, nobody picked it up as a Sponsor. That's why we're amending it onto this Bill. What this Amendment does is to require the Department on Aging and the Department of Rehabilitation Services to provide a prescreening pilot project for nursing home applicants to tell the nursing home applicants for entrance in the nursing homes that there might be wards available, alternatives tc nursing home placerent, so that the seniors might, in cases where it's possible, stay in their own homes where, by right, they cught to be whenever that is possible so they can avoid nursing home placement. And they're told about local coomunity services that might enable them to stay at home. I would ask for your 'aye' vote. This passed out, as I said, on the Consent Calendar, and I don't think there were any dissenting votes when it passed originally." 161  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF BEFRESENTATIVES TRANSCEIFTION СЕВАТЕ 68th Legislative Day

June 22, 1983 cf Amendment "Gentleman moves for the adoption #2 to Senate Bill 891. Is there any discussion? Gentleman from Peoria, Mr. Saltsraa."

"Make a Nction to be adopted."

"Further Amendment? There being ncne, the question is, Shall this Amendment be adopted?' All in favor signify by saying 'aye", those opposed 'nay". The 'ayes' have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendment?"

"Floor Amendment #3, McGann, amends Senate Pill 891 as amended and so forth."

"Gentleman from Cock, Mr. McGann."

"Thank you, Hr. Speaker and Members of the Assembly. If I could have a little bit of your attention for a couple of moments, what this Amendment #3 to Senate Bill 891 does is it amends the Child Abuse Act so that it refers and defines to those little ones, those that are suffering frco developmental disabilities at birth such as spine abifida, that WE are adding to this Act that the little one has to receive the proper sustenance, nutritional sustenance to carry on. It also provides that the family of the newborn would be given all the information and given the options in regards to immediate treatment by surgery for this little one. Finally, it provides that expertise centers are available throughout the state and that this inforzation be made available to all of the physicians that are handling the little ones and that, wherever possible, the Department would be overlooking to make sure that proper care, proper surgical procedures would take place when needed for this newborn. I ask your support of this Amendment #3 to Senate Bill 891. I think that if we ever are concerned about life, we should be concerned in this area specifically. I would appreciate anaye vote to adopt this Agendment." 162  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day

June 22, 1983 "Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment 3 to Senate Bill 891. Is there any discussion? Mr. Vinson, the Gentleman from DeWitt." "Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the chamber, I rise to question the germaneness of Amendment #3 to this Bill. I would point out two things. Number one, the underlying Bill deals with unmarried mothers. Amendment #2 deals with noninstitutional health care services. This Amendment deals with a very different matter. It deals with the matter of providing assistance to children who are born with certain specific kinds of handicaps and prohibiting certain kinds of treatment for those children. There are questions even beyond the germaneness matter, because we deal with the single subject limitation of the Constitution of 1970. These matters are clearly different. They cannot be tacked together in any rational fashion. The Amendment goes beyond the scope of the Bill, incorporates a wholly new subject in the Bill and should be ruled nongermane as well violative of the single subject limitation."

"Yes. The Gentleman's point is well taken, and Amendment #3 is ruled ungermane (sic - nongermane). Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #4, McGann, amends Senate Bill 891 on page one by deleting line one through four and so forth."

"Gentleman from Cook, Mr. McGann."

"Mr. Speaker, inasmuch as the other side of the aisle which had plenty of time in the last Amendment to look it over since yesterday to talk about its germaneness, but they couldn't come up with it. They have to yield to the different pressures about us. I'll withdraw Amendment #4."

"Gentleman withdraws Amendment #4 to Senate Bill 891. Further Amendment? Further Amendment?" 163  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. On the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading appears Senate Bill 982. Mr. Clerk, read the Eill.

"Senate Bill 982, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act concerning vages. Second Beading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"No... No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Flcor Arendments?"

"Amendment #1... Amendment #1 1cst in Committee. #2 was withdrawn. 3 lost on the floor."

"Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #4, Bays, amends..."

"Gentleman from Adams, Mr. Kays."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen cf the House."

"Give the Gentleman some order, please."

"Well, thank you. Amendment #4, I not going to even comment on the germaneness of the Amendment. In my mind, what we're doing is setting in a standard when we're exempting спе or the other in the major part of the Bill. Under the Bill, we're exempting maintenance work from the prevailing wage exemptions. And under this Amendment, we would exempt projects shose costs dc Bot exceed 100,000 from prevailing wage requirements, and I would urge its adoption."

"Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment 4 to Senate Bill 982. On that, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Eullock."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. The Gentleman offers Amendment #4 to the Eill. He starts out initially by guestioning its germaneness, and 164  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENEBAL ASSEMELY BOUSE OF BEFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 68th Legislative Day I'm not even going to ask the Chair germaneness. What I'm going to suggest, that we give this Amendment a 'no' vote. no way addresses the subject of 982. Senate Bill 982 is a considered and will consider for Reading which relates to the prevailing wage on public WCIKS could we have a little order?" June 22, 1983 to rule on the Mr. Speaker, is Amendment #4 in House... of Senate Bill matter which this Body has a final tire cn Third issue of prevailing wage, projects. Mr. Speaker,

"Let us give the Gentleman crder, please. Br. Bullock, proceed."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This is a prevailing wage measure. For those of you who are interested in addressing the subject foursquare without any pclluted Amendments, you will vote 'no' on Amendment #4. Amendment #4 in no way relates to the content or the specific scope of this Bill. Mr. Speaker, I think it's frivclous, and we're not even going to ask for a ruling. I would just ask you tc vote 'no' on Anenduent #4."

"The Gentleman from Winnebage, Mr. Giorgi."

"Mr. Speaker, I hate to use my best adjectives on this Amendment, but this is an invidious and insidious Avendsent against the needs of lahcr. This is an anti-labor Amendment, and I caution everyone to watch how they vote. Your flagpole may go with this Amendment."

"Further discussion? There being none, Mr. Mays to close. Mr. Mays."

"Well, I appreciate the remarks of sy esteemed colleagues from the other side of the aisle ca this issue. There's a number of other states that have this kind of exemption in their prevailing wage law. It's a reasonable, it's a pro-small-business, prc-local-community-wcrker Bill, and it would enhance the Bill of Mr. Bullock's tremendously if 165  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENEBAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983 this were added to it. I would urge its adoption."

"Gentle... The question is, 'Shall Amendment #4 be adopted? All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'nay'. The 'nays have it, and the Amendment is lost. Yes, Mr. Vinson, for what purpose do you rise?"

"Give the Gentleman..."

"Did someone request a Roll Call?"

"Yes."

"Did they previously? Well, no wait. Now, I speak fast, and I certainly don't want to deny you a Roll Call. Mr. Vinson, did you ask for a Roll Call?"

"Mr. Speaker, I had my light on at the time before you called the question, and I was trying to get your recognition to ask for a Roll Call."

"Mr... Well, Mr. Vinson..."

"And you have an obligation to recognize..."

"Mr. Vinson, I'm going to give you a Roll Call, because you've been away today. And... But you would do best if you asked a little more timely, but I'm certainly not going to deny you that. So, we will take a Roll Call. The question is, 'Shall Amendment #4 be adopted?' All in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'nay'. Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Amendment, there are 42 voting 'aye', 68 voting 'no', none voting 'present', and this Amendment fails. Further Amendment?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. On the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading appears Senate Bill 1000. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 1000, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act to create the Prairie State 2000 Fund. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments." 166  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF BEPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983

"Kr. Stuffle, will this Bill be beld cn Alright. The Bill will be held on Second Reading. On the Ord... On the Crder... Yes, Mr. Bullock, for what purpose do you rise? Gn the Order of Senate Fills Second Reading appears Senate Bill 1011. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 1011, a Bill for an Act to amend the Intergovernmental Cooperation Act. Second Beading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Flacr Amendment #1, Pullack - Fanayotovich."

"Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Bullock."

"Thank you, Hr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Amendrent #1 to Senate Eill 1011 relates to the subject of economic and commercial development programs. And, in essence, in Arendment #1 we merely say that when local municipal officials make appointment to the various local development corporations or commissions, that they in fact would appoint to the commission respective representatives of business and laker. The Amendment also deals with the subject of compensation for commission members, and it prohibits compensation, except the reimbursement for actual and necessary expenses incurred in connection with the performance of the commission's duties. I know of no opposition to the Amendment, Gr. Speaker. Would be glad to answer any questions. I f not, I would urge an 'aye' vote."

"The Gentleman MOVES for the adoption of Amendment 1 to Senate Bill 1011. On that, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, Shall this Amendment be adopted? All thos in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. The 'ayes have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Further Arendsent?"

"No further Amendments." 167  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983

"Third Reading. On the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading appears Senate Bill 1024. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 1024, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Industrial Development Authority Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Having read the Bill, do you want to proceed with the Amendments? Alright. The Bill will remain on the Order of Second Reading. ... stand at ease for a moment or two. Yeah. Committee Reports."

"Representative Richmond, Chairman of the Committee on Agriculture, to which the following Resolution was referred, action taken June 21, 1983, reported the same back with the following recommendation: 'be adopted' Senate Joint Resolution 35."

"The hour of 2:00 having arrived... Ladies and Gentlemen, on the Calendar on page two is Special Order, Subject Matter - State and Local Government. We will now move to that Special Order. On the Calendar, Special Order - State and Local Government appears Senate Bill 99. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 99, a Bill for an Act in relation to the property tax homestead exemption. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Keane."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Senate Bill 99 is a very simple Bill. It increases the homestead exemption from 3,000 to 3,500 for 1983 and subsequent years. It has an immediate effective date. I think many of you are aware that the homestead exemptions that we've passed in the past have been lifesavers for many of our property taxpayers. Property taxes have gone up substantially for a number of 168  STATE OF ILLINGIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 68th Legislative Day reasons in the past ten or fifteen years. reasons, one of the obvious June 22, 1983 One of the a great because reasons has been inflation. Another reason has been the general growth in the multiplier throughout the state. Over these fast ten or fifteen years, local governments have enjoyed natural growth in their revenues because of the... of the acceleration of local property taxes. We passed, earlier, a Bill to exempt... to increase the homestead exemption to 4,500. In talking with Senator Egan and others, we feel that the 3,500 is a much milder homestead exemption. It will provide for many of the areas where there has been tremendous acceleration in real estate values some... some relief. It does not give relief... the relief that would like, but it aces provide scme. I would be happy to answer any questions, and I would ask for a favorable vote."

"Gentleman moves for passage of Senate Bill 99. On that, is there any discussion? Mr. Dunn."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Gentleman from Macon, More a point of request for a little procedural iten. On the Special Crders of Business, as you know, the Bills jump all around the Calendar, and it's very difficult for us to page through the Calendar and find out whether the Bill has been amended or not. I would certainly appreciate, as each Sponsor calls his Bill, if he would indicate what Amendments are adopted on the Fill SC we can refer to our Bill books. And it would be a great asset."

"That would be a nice courtesy, if Members would extend that to the Membership. Gentleman from McLean, Mr. Ropp." Further discussion?

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Would the Sponsor yield?"

"Indicates he'll yield for a question." 169  STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENEBAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 68th Legislative Day

"Mr. Representative, Keane: June 22, 1983 can you give us an estimated tax loss to local municipalities should this Fill become law?" "That would be very difficult. What you'll have to do... What you would have to do would be to find out what the increase... what the increase in real property values would be. You would also have to find out how much of the 3,000 dcllars we presently give cut, how much of that has been used up. In some areas of the state, the 3,000 dollars that we have previously allotted may not have been used up. Where you've had... For instance, in Iake County where they're had very, very fast acceleration in real property taxes, that 3,000 dollars would be used up, and it would probably go in cn their... on this 500 dollars. And it also depends on the rate limit, where, you know, if you have a home rule unit, it wouldn't mean anything; that kind of a thing. So, it's very difficult to say. Cur staff analysis says that they're probably looking within five years down the road it could, at that time, hit around 80 million dollars a year."

"Okay. Then in cther words, this is uniform throughout the state, which means that a homeowner in Chicago would be receiving twice as much exemption as a homeowner in downstate."

"Why do you say that?"

"Because they're assessed at like 16 1/2%, and we're assessed at 339."

"Well, I'll tell you, there's no restriction on any county using a classification system."

"Eut wouldn't that be so, though, that there would be..."

"Yeah. What you're saying is ccrrect. The great acceleration in real... in residential property, however, to my knowledge, is in the suburban ring of Chicago, as VEISUS Chicago. If you look at growth in dollar value of 170  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983 real estate, it's more in the suburban area than in the city, and it's especially true in the new growth areas. For instance, in Springfield, if you look at that, the central growth... residential growth in value is probably much slower than that in the suburban areas. I would say most Chicagoans haven't used up their 3,000 dollars."

"Okay. Thank you."

"The Gentleman from Dupage, Mr. Hoffman."

"Thank you... Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. My... A question of the Sponsor. According to the information I had, the Department of Commerce and Community Affairs suggests that this could amount to as much as 241 million dollars loss a year to local government. Do you concur with that number, Representative?"

"No, I don't. I think what might hap... what might be happening with the... with that estimate is is that they're looking at 4,500. If you look at the IBE synopsis on the front of the Bill, the synopsis says that it's going to go up to 4,500. Actually... And I think that may be the basis upon which they set their projections. It's really one-third of that. We're only putting this up 500 dollars."

"Would... One more question. Would..."

"Can I correct? You have to realize that this is not a loss. We will... This is not a loss of revenue. What it is is it's a slowing down of the growth of increased revenue."

"Would it be a correct statement to make that where residential property is assessed at 16%, a 500 dollar increased exemption is equivalent to a thousand dollars as compared to 500 dollars where the assessment level is at 33%?" 171  68th Legislative Day

"Yes."

"Alright. STATE OF ILLINGIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 22, 1983 Ladies and Gentlemen, I rise in opposition to this legislation. I have a great admiration and great respect for the Sponsor, and his work in this area and appreciate the mark that he's coming off on this. However, we're faced, within the next week or so, of making some major decisions about to what degree are we willing, at the state level, to support local government through the 1/12th cities and, in particular and most particularly, to what degree are we going to support schools across this state. The more we erode their ability to support themselves locally the more they're going to have to depend on... on the state, which income is obviously very uncertain. And as the economy moves around, moves up and down, they're going to be placed at the whim of the state to fund those kinds of programs. The resources that are available to units of local government from the property tax are steady, and they're certain. And if, in fact, the multiplier has been placed on and has increased the values of the property. that multiplier has only been placed on because it reflects the increased value of those properties through the use of the sales ratic studies. Therefore, Ladies and Gentlemen, we have exempted this from the State Mandates Act, and I think this again illustrates the fact that the passage of the State Mandates Act was a... was a sham. We exempt it all the time when we're going to place a cost on government... local governments and we don't want to pay for it. So, for these two reasons, Ladies and Gentlemen, I rise in opposition to Senate Bill 99."

"The Lady from Champaign, Mrs. Satterthwaite. The Gentleman from Marion, Mr. Friedrich."

"Will the Sponsor yield?"

"Indicates that he will." 172  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983

"You have indicated that this is really... doesn't reduce the revenue to units of local government and; yet, this is a 16% increase in the exemption. I don't quite follow your reasoning. The Iccal units of government would have less money than they would without this. Wouldn't they?"

"It only comes off the growth. You would have to have an increase in your equalized assessed valuation before it would trigger the 500 dollars. So, the revenue... the revenue level that they have today will not be eroded. It would..."

"Well... Well, then just briefly to the Bill. Units of local government have the same problems with inflation as everybody else does. Their cost of labor, equipment and everything else goes up. And when they have inflation, they don't need less revenue or the same revenue. They need ΠΟΣΕ revenue. And some of these units are burting Dow. The other things that bothers me about this, it has nothing to do... it just has to dc with age not income, and I have said many times on this flocr that I don't think being 65 entitles you to much of anything by itself. We have the Circuit Breaker which takes care of those people in the low income groups that are having trcuble paying their local taxes. And I find no fault with that, because that's the group I think that needs help. But just to say that everybody over 65 gets help I think is wrong."

"The Gentleman from Kendall, Mr. Hastert."

"Ar. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I, too, have great respect for the Sponsor of this Bill, but I think we have to take a look at the issue. Within a number of days, maybe five, maybe six, maybe seven days from DCW we're going to be asked to vote on some type of revenue enhancement for the State of Illinois. But yet 173  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENEGAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983 systematically, in this House of Representatives, we've destroyed the sales tax base. We're destroying the property tax base, and we're... we'll... through corporate rebates and things like this, we're destroying the corporate income tax base. These things we take away from the property tax base and; yet, we're going to come back in a week and say, "Well, you know, we don't have enough revenue for the State of Illinois. We don't have enough money to go back into revenue sharing. We don't have enough money to put 50% funding into schools throughout the State of Illinois. Therefore, we have to raise the income tax. Ladies and Gentlemen, we are facing the fiscal problem we face today, because we've destroyed our tax bases. Now, politically, this is a good thing to do. We can go home, and we can say, 'We gave everybody property tax relief. We've upped the homestead exemption. We've given senior citizens bigger tax relief.' But, Ladies and Gentlemen, this is a smoke and mirror show. You can fool people by... maybe you can fool people by taking and taking away their tax liabilities on one end, but you're not going to fool them when you start adding it on the other end. Ladies and Gentleman, in due respect to the Sponsor of this Bill, I think it's a cruel thing to do. It's a dishonest thing to do, and I urge a 'no vote.'"

"The Gentleman from Lake, Mr. Pierce."

"Mr. Speaker, I heard the Gentleman on the other side talking about senior citizens. This exemption has nothing to do with senior citizens. It's a general homestead exemption and only reflects the inflation that we've had in the last few years, and it only grants an exemption if there's been an increase in assessed valuation caused either by an assessment increase or a multiplier increase since our base year which, as I recall, is something like 174  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION ΣΕΒΑΤΕ 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983 1978. So, we're talking about... 1977 that is. Taxes paid in 1978. And I heard the Gentleran on the other side say we shouldn't do things just for senior citizens. This is not the senior citizens exemption, which is an... exemption, but the general homestead exemption which applies only to increases in assessment. It's about time that we recognize that the homeowner in our state is paying too high a percentage of our school and local government support. It's time that the state paid a little more cf that percentage. I think we all favor that and favor that. Even the Minority Leader... Even the Kinority Leader, Mr. Daniels, of when I read in the papers is a strong advocate of an income tax increase of just under a billion dollars that will help fund education and local government through the income tax. If we do that, if Mr. Daniels is going to impose an income tax increase on it with a Daniels' plan, certainly we should give sore saall modicum of relief to the homeowner on his real estate taxes which is all that this Bill does. It's a good Bill. It's a modest Pill. It recognizes that if a Daniels' income tax plan is to go into law, and even if we go as high as a Thompson income tax plan, that we'll have additional money for schools and local government, and the real estate taxpayers need some help. This Eill gives it to them."

"Gentleman frcm Cook, Mr. Бо... Gentleman from Cook."

"Thank you... Thank you, Mr. Speaker."

"You're on, MI. Бопав." Bonan,

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. I rise in support of this proposal by Representative Keane, and I take exception to some of the CGarents given by the distinguished Minority Spokesman on the Bevenue Committee cn the other side of the aisle. Be's correct that we have 175  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE June 22, 1983 68th Legislative Day seen erosions of the tax bases here in the State of Illinois. The corporate tax base here in the state bas eroded tremendously because of the federal tax policies. We all understand that. The policy of the Reagan administration is to cut out all corporate taxes. That's their program, and obviously that has a dramatic impact on our state tax base. I think weze moving in the right direction. Some time in the next ten days every Member of this House is going to have to make a decision cn what they're going to do with the Thcofsen tax plan. I happen to support the Governor. I think that we need an inccre tax increase at the present tize in this state. Eut if we're going to do that, we should be looking at taxes such as homecwners' taxes, property taxes which really discriminate against people. Weave made the educational system in this state dependent on the property tax, and I think that's a serious mistake which really has 1cng-range ramifications on funding education. I think this is the kind of tax relief we need. We're going to have to make the decision on the income tax. I'm sure every individual is going to do what he thinks is right; but, at this point, we should do something for the property tax owners, and I commend Representative Keane for putting in this piece of legislation."

"Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Vitek."

"Mr. Speaker, thank you. I move the previous guestion."

"Gentleman DOVES the previous question. The question is, 'Shall the main question te put?" All in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'nay". The 'ayes' have it. Mr. Keane to close."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There are a couple of problems that I'd like to clear up. Many of you are using the Digests, and that's where that figure cf 240 million CODES 176  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983 from. The Digest is incorrect. That's the figure that reflects a 4,500 dollar homestead exemption. This Bill bas... is a 3,500 dollar exemption... or it's amended to 3,500 dollars. I think one of the previous speakers said that this is a political issue, and I believe it's one of the most political issues that we will have before Us on tax relief along with the income tax Eill. At the present time, there is no homestead exemption increase Bill alive. The 4,500 dollar exemption Fill that we passed out of here earlier got caught in Senate Revenue Committee and no longer exists. Many of you, including me, when campaigning for election or reelection, told the people that they would support real estate tax relief. What you're looking at, this Bill, Senate Bill 99 tc my knowledge is the only real estate tax relief Bill that's available for you to vote on, unless you use your vote on the previous 4,500 dollar Bill. One of the things that I want to point out is is that the great bulk cf impact on local government spending... cn local government revenues, I should say, will come out of the growth in this. What we're doing is that we are saying to people in the State of Illinois, 'If there continues to be a growth in your real property taxes, as historically We've bad not only in the property taxes, but also in the multipliers and in the assessed valuation, this will give you some relief.""

"Flease bring your remarks to a close, MI. Keane."

"Thank you. I believe that another speaker indicated that we have... we cannot... we cannot keep chipping avay at local property taxes. We are not doing this. I am saying this a third and fourth tise simply to emphasize it, because Members on y side - I didn't get it across the first time. I'd ask for a favorable 5cll Call." 177  68th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF BEPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 22, 1983

"The question is, "Shall this Bill pass?" All those in favor signify by voting "aye", those opposed vote "nay". To explain his vote, Mayor Earger."

"Thank you, Mr... Mr. Speaker, can you hear me? Am I op? Okay. Mr. Speaker, I'd like to thank you very much for never, in the time that I have been here, given me the opportunity to speak to a Bill, but always being willing, with great magnanimousness, to allow me to explain my vote. I have something that I think is very important to all of you, and that is the fact that local real estate taxes are not put on the people by edict of a State Legislature. The people vote those taxes in themselves. In my school district on a 20,000 dollar house, we pay 870 dollars towards schools. In the City of Chicago, on a 20,000 dollar house, they pay 161 dollars towards schools, and then come down here to the State Legislature crying because they don't have any money. Now, really I think that in this particular case... huh? In this particular case, I think we ought to consider these people have inflicted the tax on themselves. They should be allowed to pay the tax themselves if they want it, and we should get out of the local government. We are constantly forcing them to do things. We are mandating higher costs for operating government, and they have an opportunity to raise the money themselves. They want to, and they should be allowed to. Thank you."

"The Lady from DuPage, Ms. Nelson."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. The reason that I'm voting "no" and that I would urge other people to change from a green to a red vote is that I think we are destroying the tax base of our schools and our local communities by voting at this time for this Bill. If you are on green, then you must be prepared to vote for a 178  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF BEFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983 whopping income tax increase. I a nct prepared to da that, and I would urge 'no" votes on this Bill."

"Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Μτ. Clerk, take the record. On this Bill, there are 75 voting 'aye, 36 voting "no", 4 voting 'present, and this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. For what purpose does the Gentleman from Marion, Mr. Friedrich, rise?"

"MC. Speaker, I'd like to request a 30 minutes recess for the purpose cí a Republican Conference in room 118."

"Mr. Yourell. There will be a ... There will be a Democratic Conference in room 114 for approximately the same time. So, we will be back here, therefore, at 4:00. The House will stand in recess until that time."

"Would the Chair indicate which side cf the aisle called the Caucus or Conference?"

"Г. Leverenz, both sides were in Conference."

"I see. In your remarks then, did you say a time certain that we were to return to the floor?"

"They never listen to be. You know that."

"I kn know they don't listen to you closely; however, I thought it was for a half hour. And I dc recall that the other side did conduct business while we were off the floor. They did it withcut US, and it would SEED appropriate that we would move forward."

"It shows you the inherent fairness of our side of the aisle, Mr. Leveren2" Leveren 2: "Well, you resemble that regark, Mr. Speaker. I'm sorry, I shouldn't... I said that not knowingly, stepping on Representative Cullerton's line, but I think we could move ahead. That's all I have to say."

"Thank you, Mr. Leveren2. We could shut är. Leverenz's mike off at this point. Thank you, Sir. Yes, 179  STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day Mr. Vinson, Vinson: June 22, 1983 are you seeking recognition? We haven't gone back into Session, but proceed." "Yes, Sir, Br. Speaker. When I walked into the chamber, I heard you mention my name from the podius, and I just wondered if it was in vain."

"Thank you. I appreciate that." "It was with a deepest regard."

"What I said Was are your troops coming upstairs? I see they are filling the chamber."

"They're on their way ready to fight."

"Thank... Make love, not war, Mr. Vinson. Yes, the Gentleman from Livingston, Mr. Eving."

"Mr. Speaker, I wasn't going to take the time of the House, but I have had a number of your Members and a few of mine ask for a report on the Ladies Potty Committee. Now, Diana Nelson, who I appointed kind of ex officio, checked it out this morning. Everything is working, and there is even soap. even soap in there for the Ladies today, something they didn't have yesterday.- Of course, we don't have... we don't have..."

"There's no soap... There's nc soap?n

"No, no, no, no. We have clean hands on this side. You know that doctrine. Just one other point. We are still waiting for the Speaker's report on how he's going to expand the one holer."

"Mr. Leverenz, on some Order of Eusiness, I'm afraid."

"I would suggest to Representative Esing they could go to the Department of Agriculture or Conservation and bring in a couple of those porta potties and set them right back here right in front of the other dcor, and..."

"Alright. We'll..."

"There might be a little heavy perfume back here in the 180  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 22, 1983 68th Legislative Day corner, but..."

"One more minute or so, and then we'll... then we'll tuck in our chins and go. Mr. Van Duyne and then back to Mr. Ewing and then back to business."

"Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In response to Mr. Ewing, it's been reputed over here, at least been heard over here, that somebody said... one of the Ladies said over there they'd like to be a bubble dancer, and Representative Daniels said, "No soap." Thank you."

"Alright. The House will come to order. We are now on the Special Order - State and Local Government. Mr. Clerk, on the Order of Special Order of Business - State and Local Government appears Senate Bill 107. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 107, a Bill for an Act to add Sections to the Township Law. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Gentleman from Cock, Mr. Doyle."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, Senate Bill 107 is a Bill that gives to township government, in unincorporated areas, the authority to license adult entertainment. Now, this Bill went through the Senate, came out of Committee 10 to zip, went through the Senate itself 59 to zip, came in through Counties and Townships and came out of the County and Township Committee 12 to zip. This is a bipartisan support. This is a Bill that is very necessary to protect our young people. It's a Bill in which the infamous Mannheim strip, or better known as sin strip, would come under the jurisdiction of the local township board, and I ask for your support."

"Gentleman moves for passage of Senate Bill 107. On that, is there any discussion? The Lady from DuPage, Ms. Nelson."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I have a question of 181  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 22, 1983 68th Legislative Day the Sponsor."

"Indicates he'll yield for a question."

"Representative Doyle, I have here an analysis of the Bill in which it says that the township boards are given the power to license persons. Is that what your Bill does?"

"Yes."

"Now, is it not true that already the Cook County Board has passed an ordinance that has been upheld by the courts that outlaws this kind of pornography?"

"It's in litigation right now."

"What do you mean by that?"

"It's pending. The decision has not come down as to whether the county does have that authority."

"If the county does not have that authority, how it is possible that the townships would be able to attain such authority? Certainly if the county ordinance is thrown out, any township ordinance would be thrown out on the same basis. Is that not correct?"

"That is... That is possible. What really becomes involved here is the fact that we cannot answer what the Supreme Court or any other court is going to do on any given decision. What really is established here is the fact that the people locally have no control over their own destiny, and the farther you move from the people directly the farther you run into the problem with court decisions. As an example, if I may, from the Chicago Tribune just five days ago, two young girls, two teenagers, were raped on the sin strip. Now, if we can't stop this, then there's something wrong. If the courts are holding up a decision as far as counties are concerned, fine. Let's, the rest of us, help these people. This is not supported just by me. This is supported by both sides of the aisle. There are a 182  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCEIFTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983 few township officials, George Killer, the Director, has asked that we get involved with this, bring this up. He feels that it's the most important thing that has happened for township government in the past ten years."

"Is this proposal supported by the Cock County Board?"

"No, it is not."

"What concerns me is the power of the townships to enforce this law. It seems to ΠΕ that the county government has a sheriffs department and so on that would be able to dọ the enforcing. The township government has nc comparable enforcement Fowers, as far as I can understand. How would you take care of that?"

"I think people power would enforce this by people involvement. We've had people out. Neve paraded up and down the streets. Everybody knows what this is about. Anybody who has a problem supporting this kind of thing would certainly have a problem supporting mctherhood and apple pie alsc."

"To the Bill, Mr. Speaker."

"Eroceed, Ms. Nelson."

"I think that that last answer is an indication of the weakness of this proposal. It seems to me that when you're talking people power, you way, at some point, be talking vigilante powers. Certainly, I am not against closing down this sin strip along LaGrange Bcad, but I think that it should be properly, legaily done. And I think that we need to ensure that the power to do that resides with the appropriate level of government. It's for that reason that I'm going to oppose this Bill, which I think is well intentioned. Thank you."

"The Gentleman from Cock, Mr. Cullerton."

"Will the Sponsor yield?"

"Indicates that he will." 183  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENEGAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF BEFRESENTATIVES TRANSCSIFTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day

"Who is the Senate Sponsor of this Bill?"

"Senator Zito." June 22, 1983

"Oh, I think we should pass this Pill; because, when Zito was in the House, he couldn't pass anything. And I think that if we can pass this for his now, we could repay him for all the fine work that he did in the House when be was a Member. Sc, I think it's a good idea for that reason alone."

"hith friends like you, he acesn't need enemies. Further discussion? Mr. Hastert, Gentleman from Kendall."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I happen to be hyphenated Cosponsor on this Bill. You know, we talk about problems. We talk about solving problems. I live in a very rarely, fairly rural county right OD the outskirts of the collar county area, and we have out in the cornfield, SO to speak, places that sell various... Mr. Speaker, could I have some order?"

"Yes, thank you. Bill. Give the Gentleman Flease, this is an important your attention. Froceed, Mr. Bastert."

"We have some areas out in cur county in our area where, you know, they're selling pornographic literature of all types. The county board is rather ineffectual in trying to zone that area. Reve spent extra dcllats for police protection. We have irate citizens, because it's right in their OWD backyards. This is a problem. I think that this is a step at a solution to that problem. Maybe one of the problems that we've had in the State of Illincis is that the Supreme Court or various court decisions don't always line up with our legislation, but that doesn't LEAD that we're not right. And I think the Sponsor of this Bill has taken a step in this direction. If it's the people in townships, and not just Cock County. Ľaybe if you live in 184  STATE OF ILLINGIS 83BD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day Cook County, cn life, a June 22, 1983 little bit of different you'd take prospective but I'm talking about downstate Illinois. And I'm talking about the collar counties, and I'm talking about all over the State of Illincis. If you want to be the destiny cf your own future, if you want those people who... to elect you and to have some say in government and have a say in what's right and what's wrong and maybe what's moral and what's not moral, then you ought to vote for this Bill. I support it, and I think we ought to have 117 or 18 votes on this board green."

"The Gentleman from Champaign, Mr. Johnson. Alright. The Gentleman from Cock, Mr. Leverenz."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. The area that the Bill really addresses is the place known as Mannheim Foad. Since the Gentleman from the University of Illinois came up there and spent a little... spent a few dollars, I jokingly said it was revenue sharing from my district. But in fact maybe the road in that area could be ... have a name changed to Parker Place. The distinguished Lady from Cock or Dufage and/or both, I think she got a message from her committeenan, the Republican from Cook County, that gave a message tc me, said this is a terrible Bill, because it would take it out of their hands. The fact is the Cook County Board is a bit inefficient in this area but outstanding in all cthers; that they cannct get a job done. They have a licensing ordinance. They can't pull the licenses of these places. The people in this chamber constantly want local control saying it is the best control. The Cook County police have the job cf enforcing all of the laws. So, we don't need vigilanties, but the Lady brought it uf and perhaps that's what it takes. Apparently, she has not been to this fart of the state and realized what happens there at night in the 185  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENEBAL ASSEMPLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983 presence of children during the day. I would suggest that Senator Zito passed this out of this Ecuse last year, died in the Senate. So, we sent him there to do a better job and send it back here so that we could pass it again for him. It's a very simple thing. We're just redoing what we did last year. I would encourage ycu to vote green; because, if you vote red, you're unamerican."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Vitek."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I move the previous question."

"Gentleman moves the previous question. The question is, Shall the main guestion te put?" All those in favor signify by saying aye, those opposed 'nay". The 'ayes'... In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and Mr. Doyle to close, Mayor Doyle."

"I would just like to ask for a favorable vote, and I would just ask everybody tc consider that if you WELE to take your child or grandchild and be harassed by prostitutes, if that's what you want, then vote no. Thank you very much."

"The guestion is, 'Shall this Bill pass? All those in favor signify by voting aye, those cpposed vote 'nay. Voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. Cn this Bill, there are 77 voting 'aye", 28 vcting 'no", 1 voting 'present', and this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On the Order of Senate... On the Order of Senate Bills Special Order State and Local Government appears Senate Eill 315. Mr. Clerk, read the Fill."

"Senate Bill 315, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act to revise the law in relation to recorders. Third Reading of the Eill."

"Lady from Kane, Ms. Deuchler." 186  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION СЕВАТЕ 68th Legislative Day June 22, 198.3

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, Senate Bill 315 merely provides that the Recorder of Leeds has the option of deciding how many maps or plats must be printed in her office. As the law presently reads, they are required to print six exact copies. This legislation strikes the number and allows the recorder to Dake a decision as to how many copies are required. The Fill is not amended, and it is supported by the State Association of Recorders. And I ask for your affirmative vote."

"Lady moves for the passage of Senate Eill 315. On that, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, Shall this Eill pass?" All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vcte 'nay. Voting is now open. Yes, Sir. Mr. McMaster."

"I don't know. You must have had my light covered up, Mr. Speaker."

"I think I did have my Calendar over your light, Mr. McMaster."

"Thank you, Sir."

"I'm sorry. Proceed, Sir."

"Eefore we go to the vote, I wanted to ask Sue one question."

"Surely. I'll... Proceed."

"At cne time you had an Amendment prepared that would limit it to six. Was that Amendment taken off or..."

"Yes, it was."

"Thank you. Then I agree with the Bill, and I would urge a 'yes' vote."

"Thank you. I'm sorry, Mr. Mchaster. My Calendar was over your light. Have all voted who wish?"

"I'll get even with you."

"Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Bill, there are 111 voting 'aye", none 187  68th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMPLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 22, 1983 voting 'nc', none voting 'present', and this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On the Order of State and Iccal Government Special Order appears Senate Bill 316. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 316, a Bill for an Act to revise the law in relationship to coroners. Third Reading of the Bill."

"The Lady from Lake, Mrs. Frederick."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Senate Bill 316 simply allows county coroners to manage the internal operation of their office, subject, of course, to the county board appropriation ordinance and subject to any central purchasing provisions that might be in place. I know of no opposition to this Bill, and I urge an 'aye' vote."

"The Lady moves for the... for the passage of Senate Bill 316. Mr. Dunn had asked that Members indicate whether there were Amendments filed. You're not required by the rules, but it might be a good courtesy to extend to him. Is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Leverenz."

"Lady yield?"

"She indicates she'll yield for a question."

"The question is, if this gives the county coroners the right to control their internal operation of their offices, who does it now?"

"The county board, Sir."

"Are county boards incompetent or..."

"Well, not incompetent, but this is an inefficient system; because, for every purchase that county coroners have to make, they have to take vouchers and get approval at the county board level, even though the appropriation is 188  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF BEPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 68th Legislative Day in place already."

"Does... Does Cook County have any this Bill?" June 22, 1983 invclvement with

"Cook County has not been exempted out of the Fill."

"Do they endorse the Bill?"

"Cook County has a medical examiner. So, it's a different..."

"Well, he's not checked me in a long time. So, I'm glad to hear that. This would have the coroner then direct the treasurer to pay?"

"Yes."

"There... How are there any checks and balances?"

"Well, actually I would say the voters are the effective checks and balances, because if the coroner does not perform properly, he certainly can removed frcm office."

"They have a four-year term?"

"Yes."

"That would be like trying to remove the coroner, if we didn't like what he was doing, maybe at the end of his first six months of a four year term, and we would have to wait four years. It would be principally like trying to recall the Governor of the state at the end of the first year. Is that correct?"

"Yes."

"That's a tragedy."

"It's the same provision that we have allowed county clerks and sheriffs, and I might say, in our county, we did remove one of those officers for incorrect behavior in office."

"Was this just introduced because someone wanted to buy a four-wheel vehicle, and we're going to change it for all of the counties rather than just square away the person 189  68th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE CF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE June 22, 1983 that has the... purchased the four-wheel vehicle?"

"No."

"Oh, thank you."

"Gentleman from CuPage, Mr. Eoffman." ffman: "Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I rise in support of this Bill which passed out of the Senate 58 to nothing. I would point out that the... the budgets of all of these offices are annual budgets. There are adequate checks and controls now. It just places the coroner in those counties that have coroners in the same position as the clerks, and the sheriffs, and the recorders and the treasurers. And SO I would encourage your 'aye vote."

"Gentleman from Pond, Mr. Slape."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, I rise in support of Senate Bill 316. The coroners office is one... I think it's the only county office right now where the elected official doesn't have the internal control over his office. There is ample protection against a coroner who would want to abuse his privileges simply by the fact that once a year he has to go to the county board for appropriations. The only thing we're doing is we're allowing a coroner to go to the county board, receive appropriations and then to make purchases and direct the treasurer of his county to pay for those expenses that his office has incurred. It makes sense. We've allowed it for all the other county officers, and I would ask for a favorable vote."

"The Gentleman from Lake, Mr. Peterson."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise in support of this Bill also. And if it's appropriate at this time, I would like to move the previous question." Speaker Greiman: an: "Well, under our rules, you can't tell us what your deep feelings are about the Bill and then move the 190  68th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENEGAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCGIFTION СЕВАТЕ June 22, 1983 previous question. So, WE just have Mr. Steczo who is seeking recognition. The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Steczc."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. Not to belabor all the support that Representative Frederick's gotten, but I, too, rise in suffort of Senate Bill 316. When this Bill was presented in the Counties and Townships Committee, the two things that we felt were important to discuss were, number cne, why this was needed and; secondly, one of the previous speakers had rentioned an abuse in another county office in some other county. And we received assurances, number one. that the Senate Amendment to Senate Fill 316 took care of any abuses that possibly could happen. In addition to that, as other speakers have pointed out, every other county official in every county in the State of Illincis, besides the coroners, have this power. Sc, I would encourage the House to support Senate Bill 316."

"There being no further discussion, the Lady from Lake to close."

"Ask for your 'aye' vote, please."

"The question is, Shall this Bill pass? All those in favor signify by voting 'aye, those opposed vote nay. Voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take tal the record. Wolf 'aye'. On this Bill, there are 111 'aye, 5 'no', none 'present, and this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On the Order... On Special Order of Business - State and Local Government appears Senate Bill 547. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 547, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Industrial Development Authority Act. Third beading of the Eill."

"The Gentleman from Marion, Mr. Friedrich. KI. 191  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENEBAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983 Friedrich, we're on Senate Bill 547 on the Special Order State and Local Government."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I was temporarily away from my desk. This is one of the Bills sponsored by the Legislative Audit Commission, and it werely clarified that the Illinois Industrial Development Authority was a state agency. An Amendment was put on to be sure to satisfy the bonding company that this does not interfere with their bonding authority for the value of the bonds. I think there's no opposition to it, and I'd appreciate your vote." Speaker Greiman: 547. "Gentleman moves for the passage of Senate Bill On that, is there any discussion? Gentleman from Macon, MC. DunD."

"The Sponsor yield for a question?"

"He indicates that he will."

"I think you may have said that whatever problem there was with the fill was cleared up ky an Amendment, but cur analysis indicates that proposed changes in Senate Bill 570... 47 (sic 547) are conflicting and hold the possibility of serious negative financial consequences for the State of Illinois. Was this picklew addressed by an Amendment?"

"Yes, it was, and it indicates that it does not make those general obligation bonds to the state. And it does satisfy the bonding company with respect to their bonds."

"Bonds of this agency will continue to be revenue bonds only?"

"Bight."

"And how many Amendments are on this Bill?"

"Cne that I know of."

"There's two? The Calendar say..."

"One on the floor and one in Committee, I believe." Dunn "What do the Amendments do besides the cne you explained? 192  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983 What's the other one do?"

"Okay. The first one is that the money that they have and the income can be kept in their fund, as opposed to be turning back to General Revenue. That was Amendment #1 which was adopted in Committee. The one on the floor merely clarified the... that the money would... that this would not interfere with the bonding authority, and it would not make those general obligation bonds to the state."

"Okay. The first Amendment then says that if... if they accrue funds in their bonding fund, whatever it is, that formerly they would have to turn that over to the General Revenue Fund and now they will not?"

"That's right. They can retain that as other... as other agencies of that kind do."

"Thank you."

"Further discussion? There being none, the Gentleman from Marion to close."

"I'd appreciate your vote. I think it's not controversial at this point."

"Question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'nay'. Voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Bill, there are 105 voting 'aye', 1 voting 'no', 4 voting 'present', and this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On Special Order of Business - State and Local Government appears Senate Bill 571. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 571, a Bill for an Act authorizing certain counties to compile, publish and maintain codes of ordinances and regulations. Third Reading of the Bill."

"The Lady from DuPage, Ms. Karpiel. Mr. 193  68th Legislative Day Hastert. Mr. Hallock, did you want my attention? Mr. Hastert, did you want sy attention? Ch, the time is long gone, long gone. Ms. Karpiel... If you could move over just a little bit Mr. Hallock, so that I can see Ms. Karpiel. Proceed, Ma'as."

"Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker. I believe Representative Barger is going to handle this Fill."

"Mayor? Representative Earger."

"... Mr. Speaker. This Bill is one that everyone can vote for, because it's relatively simple, innocuous, and it gave me a second opportunity to speak today. This Bill allows DuPage County to codify and publish their county ordinances in the form of a law bock. It has cne Amendment to it, and the Amendment says that by publishing this booklet, it does not relieve them of the responsibility of posting all notices otherwise required by statute or court order. I ask your indulgence in voting for this."

"Gentleman moves for the passage of Senate Bill 571. On that, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'nc'. Voting is now open. Mr. Barger, you spoke on the Bill, right? Have all voted who wish? Take the record, Mr. Speak... Mr. Clerk. On this Bill, there are 116 voting aye, none voting 'no', none voting 'present'. This Bill, having receive the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On Special Order of Eusiness - State and Local Government appears Senate Bill 643. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 643, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Purchasing Act. Third Reading of the Pill."

"Mr. Hensel."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. This 194  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF BEFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983 Bill amends the Illinois Purchasing Act by adding a definition of competitive bidding. That's about all it does, and I ask for a favorable vote."

"Gentleman moves for passage of Senate Eill 643. On that, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Macon, Mr. Cunn."

"My question, Mr. Speaker, is what page is this Eill on in the Regular Calendar?"

"It's on Third Reading on page 18."

"Thank you very much. Thank you."

"Further discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall this Eill pass?" All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'nay". Voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Bill, there are 111 voting aye', none voting no, none voting present. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majcrity, is hereby declared passed. On the Special Order of Business State and Local Government appears Senate Bill 883. Mr. Clerk, read the Fill."

"Senate Bill 883, a Bill for an Act to amend the Intergovernmental Cooperation Act. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Br. Harris, Gentleman from Cook."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. For your reference, this Bill appears on page 11. The Bill allows... It's an Asendment to the Intergovernmental Cooperation Act, and it allows municipalities to establish joint... jcint action agencies as they have done in the case of water to provide for the collection, and the processing and disposal of waste, and I would ask a... for your favorable vote on the Eill."

"Gentleman moves for passage of Senate Eill 883. 195  68th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 22, 1983 On that, is there any discussion? There being none the question is, 'Shall this Bill...'. I'm sorry. Mr. Dunn. Gentleman from Macon, Mr. Dunn."

"Yes, does this ... A question of the Sponsor. Will he yield?"

"Yes, I will."

"The question is - this Bill, according to the synopsis, indicates that municipalities can establish joint action agencies to provide for collection, processing and disposal of waste. What impact does that have on the location of landfills, waste disposal sites? Does it change the existing law in the State of Illinois in any regard... any respect with regard to waste disposal sites and the location thereof?"

"No, it does not change the existing law in that regard whatsoever. They're still required... These municipalities are still required to meet those... those requirements."

"Thank you."

"Further discussion? Further discussion? There being none, Mr. Harris to close."

"Mr. Speaker, I would simply ask for a favorable vote on the Bill."

"The question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'nay'. Voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Bill there are 115 voting 'aye', none voting 'no', none voting 'present'. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On Special Order of Business - State and Local Government appears Senate Bill 934. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 934, a Bill for an Act to amend the 196  STATE OF ILLINGIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day School Code. June 22, 1983 Third Reading of the Bill."

"Gentleman from Cock, Mr. White."

"Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, this is an agreed Bill by the Chicago Board of Education, the Chicago Schools Finance Authority, the City of Chicago and the State Board of Education. All it does is states that if, by chance, the Schocl Finance Authority's budget exceeds 600,000 dollars, that they have to go to the State Board of Education in order to seek their approval. Presently, there is no way of governing the aucunts of dollars that are being expended by the City cf Chicago's School Financing Authority, and this Bill sets up a governing mechanism. I ask for its favorable support."

"Gentleman Moves for adoption... I'm sorry. Gentleman moves for passage of Senate Bill 934. On that, is there any discussion? Gentleman frca McLean, Mr. Ropp."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Would the Sponsor yield?"

"Indicates that he will for a question?"

"Беpresentative, a few years ago when we spent a whole day here listening to the needs of the Chicago school system, it ultimately resolved around the fact that ultimately a special board was to approve all of the budgets of the school system. Does this Bill, in any way, overlap that authority that was granted a few years ago, or has that group which we granted authority gone out of existence now?"

"NO, that board is presently in place, and that is the board that is seeking the passage of this Bill. Bight now, they have a budget, and their budget is basically limitless. It's unlimited. And all we seek to do with this Bill is to say that anytime you spend cver 600,000 dollars that you have to go to the State Board of Education and get their authority in order to expend... in order to spend 197  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION СЕВАТЕ 68th Legislative Day that kind of... that amount of money."

"Eut why do we have to ask the State Board? June 22, 1983 Doesn't that committee that we gave authorization, don't they have the power to say, "Okay, you can't spend more than..."

"Well, undoubtedly you're mixing two systems here. The authority that we're speaking of with regard to this Bill is the same authority that you're seeking... that you're saying that we should monitor."

"Okay, thank you."

"Ckay?"

"Further discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall this Bill pass? All those in favor signify by voting 'aye", those opposed vote 'pay'. Voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? MI. Clerk, take the record. On this Fill, there are 115 voting 'aye', none voting no, 1 voting present. This Bill, having received the Constitutional rajority, is hereby declared passed. On Special Order of Eusiness State and Local Government appears Senate Bill 943. Mr. Clerk, read the Fill."

"Senate Bill 943, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act relating to foreign trade zones. Third Reading of the Fill."

"Gentleman from Peoria, Mr. Saltsman."

"Yes, this is a trade zone tc establish in the Feoria area, and all the counties involved will have to sign in on this and okay the Trade Zone Act. 1 ask for your passage of this Bill."

"Gentleman moves for passage of Senate Bill 943. On that, is there any discussion? There being done, the question is, 'Shall this Bill pass? A11 those in favcE signify by voting 'aye", those opposed vote "nay'. Voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the 198  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENEGAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983 record. On this Bill, there are 11... 214 (sic - 114) voting 'aye, none voting 'nc", none voting 'present', and this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is bereby declared passed. On the Crder of Special Order of Business State and Local Government appears Senate Bill 1091. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 1091, a Bill for an Act directing the Department of Transportation to study feasible making railroad interconnection in the vicinity of Genca, Illinois. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Keane."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Senate Bill 1091 does nothing more than direct the Department of Transportation to do a feasibility study for a railroad interconnect for the IC and the Chicago-Milwaukee-St. Paul so that there could be ... we could have another Amtrak route to replace the cne that vent down in 1981 between Chicage and Cubuque. Ask for a favorable Boll Call."

"Gentleman moves for passage of Senate Bill 1091. On that, is there any discussion? Yes, the Gentleman from McLean, Mr. BcEE."

"Mr. Speaker, would the Sponsor yield?"

"Indicates he that he'll yield for a question."

"In this Bill, is there any authorization for monies for total costs of this and what, if so?"

"Yes. Turn on Mr. Keane. Thank you."

"The... No, all that they ask... All the Bill asks the Department of Transportation is to do a feasibility study, and it's anticipated it would be done cut of their existing staff."

"Under our analysis, it states that their feasibility study would cost 65,000 dollars and that would General Revenue funds which would include 50,000 for a consulting engineer 199  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENEGAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCEIFTION СЕВАТЕ 68th Legislative Day Keane: and 15,000 for IDOT management staff. Is analysis says or not?" "NO, June 22, 1983 that what your it doesn't. I talked to Senatcr Rigney, who's the Senate Sponsor of the Bill, and he indicated, you know... sorry. I didn't speak to him about that directly, but my feeling and my understanding was that it was something that the Department would take cut cf its own hide." I

"This is just like what they say in a lot of government projects. If we wouldn't pay thea for this, we'd be paying them for doing something else?"

"Well, we have a tremendous number cf engineers and experts cver at the Department of Iransportation who are constantly doing feasibility studies. This is of a lot of interest Senator Rigney, and I agree with him. I think that it would be beneficial not only for his district, for the whole nothern guarter of Illincis." to but

"Further discussion? Question is, Shall this Bill pass? All those in favor signify by voting 'aye", those opposed vote "nay". Voting is now open. Have all1 voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. Gn this Bill, there are 106 voting 'aye', 8 voting 'no", 1 voting 'present". This Bill, having received the Constitutional Hajority, is hereby declared passed. On Special Order of Business Government appears Senate Bill 1156. Eill." State and Local Mr. Clerk, read the

"Senate Bill 1156, a Bill fcr an Act relating to the State Fire Marshal and an Act relating to the investigation and prevention of fire. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Gentleman from Bureau, Mr. Mautino." "Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to make a request at this time that has come to my attention frcu the Senate Sponsor as well that не take Senate Bill 1156 back to 200  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983 Second Reading for the purposes of rescving an Amendment that was placed on in the House."

"Gentleman asks leave to return Senate Bill 1156 to the Order of Second Reading. Does the Gentleman have leave? Gentleman has leave. Leave is hereby granted, and the Bill is on Second Reading. Mr. Clerk."

""Motion. I move to table Amendment #1 to Senate Bill 1156, Representative Mautino.""

"Mr. Mautino."

"Yes, Amendment #1 was placed on. We have... We have a conflicting problem here by eliminating the Department of Conservation. It has just been brought to my attention that the intention of the Federal Government is to fund again the new... the continuation of the federal program which, by their authority, goes into the Department of Conservation Division of Forestry. This was not the intent, the information I received when we originally put the Amendment on to give the authority to the State Fire Marshal's Office. In that regard and at the request of the Senate Sponsor, I will ask to table Amendment #1."

"Gentleman moves to table Amendment #1 to Senate Bill 1156. All those in favor signify by saying 'aye'... Yeah, I'm sorry. Is there any discussion on that? Is your light on, Mr. McCracken? Gentleman from Dupage, Mr. McCracken."

"Will the Gentleman yield? Rep... Representative, I... I understand the need for the program for those smaller fire protection districts. I don't understand though, is the money for this program now not going to come out of the State Fire Marshal Fund?"

"In response to the question, what I have done with the appropriation process is left the 171,000 in the State Fire Marshal's budget. Okay? If in fact this whole thing 201  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF BEFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983 doesn't work, at least the money, if the state goes into the program and doesn't get the federal money, it will be protected and we'll have to address it with an emergency Session ΟΙ the override Session with additional statutory language." McCracken:

"Okay." "Eut I've left the money in there. 1 am not touching the Fire Protection Fund with this Amendment."

"Because you anticipate federal funding, right? Okay. Thank you. That's.... You're right."

"Gentleman... Is there further discussion? There being none, the question is, Shall Amendment #1 tc be tabled?' All those in favor signify by saying "aye, those opposed 'no". The 'ayes have it, and Amendment #1 is tabled. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Beading."

"I would, at this time, like to waive the... profer rule. It's back on Third?"

"The Bill is on Third. And under QUI rules, because you didn't amend it but rather tabled it, you are not precluded from moving ahead CC the Order of Third Reading. According..." sutino: "I'd like to move ahead, Mr. Speaker."

"Accordingly, Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 1156, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act relating to the State Fire Marshal and an Act relating to the investigation and prevention of fire. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Gentleman from Eureau, Mr. Cautino."

"This legislation, Senate Bill 1156, authorizes a continuation of the Rural Fire Protection Fund which authorizes matching 50% grants to fire districts and 202  STATE OF ILLINGIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION СЕВАТЕ 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983 departments in downstate Illinois GI possibly up... upstate, for that matter, if ir fact the population requirement is met which is 10,000 people or less. The cost of the program in previous years under the federal funding vas approximately 171,000 dollars. What's what would be in the federal funds under this legislation. And in response to Mr. McCracken's concern, if was the State Fire Marshal's, it would be the sare figure. That's exactly what the Bill does in its present fors. It's a good ongcing program that most of the smaller fire departments and districts have made great use cf over the past ten CE twelve years, and this legislation continues that good program. I ask for your favorable support. I will respond to any inquiries."

"Gentleman moves for passage of Senate Fill 1156. Is there discussion? The Gentleman from Macon, Mr. Dunn."

"Question of the Sponsor."

"Indicates he'll yield for a question. Froceed."

"Is this a passthrough for federal funds, or are there any state funds invclved?"

"If the federal funds come in October, it will be total federal funds. If not, I've got the appropriation in bath areas, the Department of Conservation and also the Fire Marshal's Office for a continuation of the program."

"Do you know what the law provides fcr fire districts which ατε... which located in communities over 10,000 in Mautino: population?" "Yes, I dc. There is one provision shere the City of Chicago receives 10% under the Fire Marshal's program of the Fire Frevention Fund that is paid by the insurance companies, and the sage program, as I understand it, operates in cities all over the State of Illincis with the 203  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983 exception of those with less than 10,000 people that come under this program."

"And..."

"Decatur would come under the Fire Frevention Fund from the State Fire Marshal's Office."

"Ten percent?"

"No, the 10% provision was originally placed in the statute for the City of Chicago many years ago, as I understand it."

"What percentage applies to communities like Champaign, Bloomington, Springfield, Peoria, Quincy, Decatur?"

"I would assume that those are on the fire training programs, etcetera, and I'm not certain whether... It's personnel and standards. I'm not certain whether they have a program for equipment, etcetera."

"Okay, thank you."

"It's training only for, let's say, Decatur and those other cities. This is not this program though, John. This program is a federal passthrough for rural fire protection districts."

"Thank you."

"Ancther Gentleman from Macon, Mr. Tate."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I rise in support of Senate Bill 1156. It essentially just provides for a state grant program which we've already been using. The Department of Conservation has done a very good job with this program. For the Members that are from downstate Illinois that have already... have probably already had previous experience with that in working with rural fire districts, it's a very important program for those rural fire districts. Many of you know that they work with complete volunteer program of volunteers on the fire department, and it's very essential for them to have 204  68th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENEGAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF BEFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 22, 1983 as good as equipment as possible. And this enables them to have some quality fire... fire equipment, and I would just encourage everyone to vote 'yes' on this. Thank you."

"Gentleman from Cock, Mr. Terzich."

"Yes, Representative Mautino, that conservationist deal now this is supposed to pick up the money that was previously supplied by the Federal Government?"

"In its original form, and the program, itself, was all federal funds. Okay?"

"That was previously."

"Yes. This legislation would be a state program ongoing if, in fact, the federal funds do not ccre about in October."

"And who would administer that?".

"The administration, by the rencval of Amendment #1, would be as it is now by the Divi... Department of Forestry... Division of Forestry within the Department of Conservation."

"It would not be administered by the Fire Marsh... the State Fire Marshal?"

"The State Fire Marshal has never administered this particular program."

"I understand; but, by this Amendment, you're asking money from the State Fire Marshal's Office to handle something on the Forest... was by the Department of Forestry?"

"It's jointly under this legislation a cooperative effort."

"Well, whc would administer it? The State Fire Marshal's Office or the For... I Dean if it... Why shouldn't it then come out of the Agricultural Fund or Forestry Fund? Why would it come cut of the State Fire Marshal's Office?" 205  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF BEFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983

"Representative Terzich, I'm in the middle of a turf battle. I don't know how I got here, but I'm in the middle of it. By being in the middle of it, I don't understand the intricacies of that particular turf battle. I had to do one thing to get it cut of Committee. And from the input I've received from the Legislatcrs, I had to do another thing to possibly get it out of the House. Now, we can do one of two things. We can... I can go back and put that Amendment back on and pass this Fill out of here, if that's the desire of this House, and then it will go to a Conference Committee. And the Senator Sponsor's behind me, and he'll take it off. So, basically what I'm doing is trying tc accommodate a lot of my colleagues, and I'm in the middle of a turf battle."

"Well, I simply would like to mention the fact that what that Amendment does is you're asking money to be provided to these fire department rural areas on matching funds, which is used to purchase fire equipment, hose. It could be fire apparatus, which is not being made available to any other fire district other than those rural ones. You know, they don't buy fire equiprent, and that's exactly what you're asking to do. It's bad enough that that happens, but to have it done by the, you knos, the Department of, whoever the hell it is, of Forestry or whatever it is and not the Fire Marshal's Office just makes it even that much Morse."

"In response, you were happy when I put the Amendment cn the other day, and now I'm back in the middle of the pot again."

"Mr. Terzich are you through with your remarks? The Gentleman from DuPage, Mr. McCracken."

"Will the Sponsor yield?"

"Indicates that he'll yield for questions." 206  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION СЕВАТЕ 68th legislative Day

"Sorry to be doing this again. I'm looking at the Bill, and I'm a little confused. As I... As I read the Bill exclusive of House Amendent #1, it requires that two and a half percent of the Fire Marshal Fund be transmitted to the Community Fire Frotection Grant Fund. Now that's not changed by taking House Arendment #1 off. Is it?"

"No."

"Well SC, regardless of the federal funding of this program in the future, if this Fill becomes law, this will be a requirement that two and a half percent of that Fund be sent over. Sc, there's a possitkility that you may have federal funding and state funding for this program. Is that... Is that right?"

"It is my intention to use the 171,000 federal funds. If in fact that does Occur in October, then it is my intention and the intention of the legislation not to take the two and a half percent from the Fire Fund and duplicate the process. I give you my... I give you my word, and it's not General Revenue."

"And that's not the question. I... As you well know, we're good friends, and I respect you very much. I guess my question is though that regardless of your intent the law is self-executing. And after June 30, regardless of what the Sponsor wants, the law has to be followed. And, you know, the Department of Conservation could even bring suit to enforce this law by means of injunction. So, I, frankly, still have that problem. Is there a way to qualify this so that only if the federal funds don't come down that it will go into operation?"

"I think that I can get that guarantee from the Senate Sponsor, yes. He was here a minute ago. I don't know what happened to him."

"How do we want to accomplish that?" 207  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION СЕВАТЕ 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983

"He's next to you. Why don't you talk to him, and I'll answer a couple more questions..."

"No, no. 1... I understand what your intent is, and there's ΠΟ problem there. Eut the law is self-executing. So, we have to do something about the problem. And it would be my request that we put in a proviso that this transfer not occur if the federal funding is found. I'm not trying to hold up the Fill... I'a not..."

"It's a good question. It's a good question."

"Im not trying to hurt it. It's a good cause, and I see your foint."

"I will be most happy to submit a... a correspondence for intention with the understanding that it will... the provisions of the... of the Bill will act be adhered to if, in fact, the federal funds сове, because it has to be signed off by the Fire Marshal anyway for those funds."

"Would you consider an Amendment just to make that clear?"

"I"d... I'd be happy to. We'll have to check with Watson and..." McCracken: n: "Bould that be alright? Frank, is that alright? Alright."

"Ar. Fiel. The Gentleman from Cook, MI. Fiel."

"I move the previous guestion, Mr. Speaker."

"Er. Fiel, you move the previous question. The question is, 'Shall the main question he put?' All those in favor signify by saying aye, those opposed 'nay". In the opinion of the Chair, the "ayes have it. Mr. Mautino to close."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The more input I get the more difficult it becomes on this fiece of legislation. I did not want it to be a controversial issue. It has turned out that way. I think WE can resclve it by getting the 208  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION ΣΕΒΑΤΕ 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983 individuals involved from both of these Departments to submit the responses to the individuals so that we can at least continue this program. The inpcrtant part of this legislation is the continuation for those rural fire districts, and I ask for your support in that regard."

"Gentleman moves for Fassage of Senate Bill 1156. The question is, 'Shall this Fill pass?" All those in favor signify by voting 'aye, those opposed vote 'nay". Voting is now cren. Mr. Winchester to explain his vote."

"Well, obviously the Bill is going to pass cut, and I'm going to vote 'yes' on it, Mr. Speaker. But all of a sudden this has become a very controversial issue because of taking the Arendment on. I think most all of US would like to see our rural fire districts receive additional dollars, but I think now we're going to be raiding the Fire Protection Fund and putting it intc ancther agency which could jeopardize SOME frograms in the Fire Marshal's Office. And I don't think that was the intention of the Sponsor, and I would wish that it would have went into a Conference Committee. Cbviously, it's going to pass as it is."

"Mr. Leverenz to explain his vote."

"I may even exchange it. Let me explain about the Fire Marshal's Fund or the Fire Marshal funding in that Office. We never use all of the money. It is nct General Revenue. It comes from the foreign fire tax and a couple of other different places. The Fire Marshal's Office doesn't run on General Revenue funds. So, if you fund a program cut cf there, you're better off because the money is there, because everything that accrues there the Governor swipes at over a million dollars and turns it into general revenue. Quit kidding each other. Suckey the Bear is in conservation. That's where the program belongs." 209  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day

"Have all voted who wish? wish? Mr. McCracken, I think you June 22, 1983 Have all voted who spoke in debate. Pardon?"

"I just asked questions."

"Well, that's speaking in debate under our rules."

"No, it's not. I'd like to explain my vote."

"No, Mr. McCracken, you do not have... you cannot be recognized for that purpose. Have all voted who wish? Take the record, Mr. Clerk. On this Bill, there are 108 voting 'aye', 4 voting 'no', none voting 'present'. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. The Chair recognizes Mr. Cullerton for the purpose of a Motion."

"Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would move to amend the Special Order of Business of Subject Matter - State and Local Government to include Senate Bills 1024, 1185 and 1263."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Cullerton, moves to amend Senate Bill.... the Special Order of Business - State and Local Government to add Senate Bill 1024, Senate Bill 1185, Senate Bill 1263. And on that Motion, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from DeWitt, Mr. Vinson."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We've already earlier today established the precedent. So, I rise in support of the Motion."

"The Gentleman from Champaign, Mr. Johnson. Rule book in hand. Alright. The Motion takes 60 votes. Accordingly, all those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'nay'. Voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Bill... On this Motion there are 109 voting 'aye', 1 voting 'no', none voting 'present'. This 210  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983 Bill, having... This Bills is pas... This Motion carries. On Special Order of Business - State and Local Government appears Senate Bill 1332. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 1332, a Bill fcr an Act in relationship to access of public records. Third Reading of the Bill."

"The Lady from Cook, Ms. Currie."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. Senate Bill 1332, the Open Records Act, is, except for its title and statement of purposes, identical to House Fill 234, the Freedom of Information Act which passed overwhelmingly in this House during the month of May. 1332 applies the principal of accessability to records cf government to all of state and local records with frecisely the same exemptions and the same kinds of time frames, time schedules that we applied tc House Bill 234. For those cf you who were concerned when we debated House Fill 234 cn this floor, concerned about the definition of public body, concerned about openness of criminal records and those of law enforcement agencies, I want you to know that this Bill and the House Bill 234, both of them have been amended in the meantime to make sure that there is clarity and that there is sufficient respect for confidentiality with each of those kinds of records. As you kno, as Im sure ycu remember from the debate on House Bill 234, Illinois is the only state in the nation that does not guarantee access to records of government to all of its citizens. Until this year, in fact, Mississippi shared with Illinois the dubious distinction as the only two states in the nation without some kind of freedom of information statute on the books. Mississippi has beat us to the punch. The Governor in that state signed a freedom of information Bill early in 1983. Illinois bears the shame alone. Fassage of Senate Bill 1332 will correct that oversight, will correct the error. 211  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983 I would be pleased to answer any questions anybody has on Senate Bill 1332, and I certainly would appreciate your favorable support."

"The Lady moves for passage of Senate Bill 1332. And on that, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Champaign, Mr. Johnson."

"I would inquire of the Chair as to whether the rulings rendered on House Bill 234, namely that the due process exclusion provision in our statutes take this out... takes this out of the coverage of the State Mandates Act and, secondly, the fact that there is existing concurrent jurisdiction would require that this Bill receive on a simple majority for passage are the same rulings that the Chair would make with respect to this Bill."

"A simple Constitutional Majority, yes, of 60. That is correct, Mr. Johnson. The Chair would make the same ruling on this Bill as was made on the previous Bill with respect to the State Mandates Act and with respect to the ... to the number of votes necessary with respect to preemption. Now, is there any further discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Bill, there are 108 voting 'aye', 6 voting 'nay', 1 voting 'present', and this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On the Order of Special Order of Business - State and Local Government appears Senate Bill 1333. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 1333, a Bill for an Act to authorize the withholding of income to secure the payment of support. Third Reading of the Bill." 212  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF BEFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day

"The Lady from Cook, Ms. Barnes." June 22, 1983

"Hr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Bcuse. Senate Bill 1333 addresses a very important problem that we have in the State of Illinois. It CONCELης child support payments. This Bill is a product of a conference that was held last March. It vas sponsored by the Illincis Commission on Intergovernmental Cooperation and also the Legislative Advisory Committee on Fublic Aid. Every Member in this House had been invited to participate; and, since then, we have produced a report which ycu have all had on your desks. I think one of the most important parts of this Bill is that the real nuts and bolts job was done in the House. We appeared twice before the Judiciary Committee, and the first time We listened to all the problems that they felt that we had with the Bill. The second time that WE appeared ve had all the proper Amendments. lie had done many hours of work and addressed every question that any Member of that Committee had. As a result, the Committee vote was 16 ayes" and 2 nays*. At this conference, there were people from all over the state in every county. There were Judges, clerks of the Circuit Court, state's attorney, state's officials, and we broke up into four different workshops. And for three days, we had everybody's input. So, we feel, Representative Currie and myself, that this is a very special Fill, and I would encourage an 'aye' vote."

"The Lady moves for the passage of Senate Bill 1333. And on that, is there any discussion? Gentleman from Macon, Mr. Cun."

"Will the Sponsor yield for a question?"

"She indicates she will."

"Who... Dces this Bill as amended still provide for payroll deductions for enforcement of child support?" 213  STATE OF ILLINGIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE June 22, 1983 68th Legislative Day

"Yes, Representative."

"And, in the event an employer makes a mistake with regard to a payroll deduction, what penalties can be imposed ufon the employer?"

"None. That vas part of what we amended out of the Eill."

"Okay. So, there currently are no penalties of any kind in this..."

"No."

"... in this Bill with regard to employers?"

"No, Representative."

"Alright. Now, what if an employer doesn't cooperate and just doesn't withhold?"

"Representative, there is nothing that we would do."

"Then how...how are you going to make this Bill work if... Are employers going to cooperate voluntarily tc withhold?"

"Well, Representative, the way we feel this is going to work, like some of the Judges stated, I think to have this Bill in place and to have whomever the support person is of the children know that there is the possibility of having wage assignment, that they would not want to te put intc that position where we're not going to have employers all over the state having to get intc the business of wage assignment."

"Which Amendment took out the penalty on the employers? There was a penalty in the Bill, if I recall correctly."

"Yes, there was. What we did is we just came in with one large Amendment that addressed all of the problems that everybody had. At least, we tried to address all of the problems. I think Representative Johnson had a question that We WELE not able to address. So he would be the exception." Dunn; "What was the number of that Arendment?" 214  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983

"House Amendment #1."

"Thank you."

"The Gentleman from Champaign, Mr. Johnson."

"Well, I wasn't going to speak on this, but the Sponsor said that the...they addressed all of the objections of the Members and, in fact, that is absolutely not right. Representative McCracken and myself and several others, I think Representative Topinka and others have one very fundamental problem with this Bill. And I think everybody, even though this is not the most exciting subject in the world, ought to realize what the Bill does and what our objection does. If two individuals...or individuals are...receive a divorce, right away, without anybody being in arrears, without any kind of default of any kind, an order is place in the file, an order of deduction of wages of the non-custodial parent for child support. The minute there is an allegation, whether it's right or not, whether, in fact, the calculation is made or not, there is an allegation made that the non-custodial parent is in arrears, they receive a notice and ten days later, without a hearing, without anything else other than imposing on them the obligation to go pay $500 or $1000 to hire an attorney, and obviously they couldn't afford an attorney or they wouldn't be in arrears or allegedly in arrears to begin with, without any hearing, without any concept of due process, automatically their wages are garnished. They...In addition to that, there is a ten percent penalty on top of that to allegedly make up for arrearages. So then you've got the compounded problem of somebody not...either being behind or allegedly being behind and on top of that having ten percent plus of their...of their wages garnished. Now, I would submit that if this Bill provided for a garnishment procedure where you had a notice 215  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983 and where an opportunity to be heard and an opportunity for a court hearing existed, then we might be addressing the problem. But this is absolutely anesthetical to our whole concept of due process in this country. That somebody has their wages, their sustenance, their livelihood automatically cut off and, in fact, they may not be in arrears. This Bill doesn't provide that they have to be in arrears. All you have to do is give them a notice and if they don't come in in ten days, then they have their wages automatically garnished. Now, I agree with Representative Barnes and Representative Currie and the other people who support this Bill, that collection of child support is an important priority. Representative Barnes and others have made significant strides with good legislation in that area, and I have supported that legislation. But let's not throw out the baby with the bath water. Let's not get rid of a whole...our whole concept of a whole history of due process and provide for a ten day notice with no hearing and an individual is penalized for their livelihood plus a penalty forever. It doesn't make sense. There's a better way to do it and they did not address theirselves to the concern that allowed this Bill to be defeated the first time it came up. The second time it came up, I had a Bill somewhere else, some of the other opponents had a Bill somewhere else and the Bill got out with some of the problems addressed, but the fundamental problem of due process not addressed. And so, lest anybody think that this Bill came out with all the concerns...concerns broached, they weren't. There is still a fundamental concern of many of us and for that reason, I think I'd urge at least a 'present' vote if not a 'no' vote on this Bill."

"The Gentleman from Lee, Mr. Olson."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the 216  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF BEPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983 House. I'd like to speak to the Fill as a former court officer, a Circuit Clerk, where we dealt with child support matters. No Bill that we look at in this General Assembly will have the...the general consensus of everyone who might be concerned with the Bill here. Eut I can tell all the Members bere that in the 50th Judicial Circuit which comprises northwestern Illincis, we only have a compliance factor of about forty-seven or forth eight percent, and I think that this Bill is a good start to addressing the issue of having delinquent fathers meet their obligations. It will also have a very positive effect on the cost to the Department of Public Aid. And I woulć urge an "aye' vote on this Bill."

"The Lady from Cook, Ms. Currie."

"Close... I'll close."

"Alright. Lady from Cock, Ms. Alexander."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"She indicates that she will."

"Representative Barnes, if I am a delinquent farent, I would receive a ten day notice, am I correct?"

"No, Representative, that was one of the objections and...that we addressed in the Axendnent. We changed the ten days to twenty days, and we alsc made the notice certified mail because that sas ancther objection."

"So, in other words, I would receive a notice that I am delinquent. What time span would I have in which tc appear or answer that notice? Is it twenty days?"

"Iwenty days from the day that you receive the notice."

"I would not then... I could come in as a per se person to whoever issued that notice within that twenty day period with proof that I had, indeed, kept my child support payments up. AL I Correct?"

"You are correct." 217  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983

"If I appeared at that place and time, within the time span, then the court order that purportedly is cut there against me would be withdrawn. Am I correct?"

"You are absolutely right."

"Thank you. I will support the Fill."

"Thank you."

"Gentleman from McLean, Mr. Rcpp."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Would the Sponsor yield, please?"

"She indicates she will."

"Representative, a question in regards to let's say a husband, former husband, might be quite delinquent, up to let's say three or four or five thcusand dollars. How does this Bill address that provision? Is all of his money that he might earn in a month given to the...to the mother?"

"Representative, you are addressing arrearages. We're talking about delinquent payments."

"Well, wouldn't arrears be a bit delinquent?"

"No, because the first time that they were delinquent in their payments, they would receive by certified mail a notice that they were in arrears. And twenty days from that time, they would have time to go in, and Fay UF and make restitution."

"Well, okay, but...let's say...presume this is not necessarily a hypothetical situation but suppose We are five thousand dollars in arrears, how is that addressed in coming up to full and complete payment under this Fill?"

"You couldn't be five thousand dollars...see, you are talking about arrearage. You couldn't be five thousand dollars in arrearage because the minute that you missed your first payment, say a hundred dollars, that is when you would receive your notice by certified mail that you were delinquent in you one hundred dollar payment."

"In other words, this Fill dces nothing to taking care of 218  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day Barnes: June 22, 1983 what is in arrears as you so indicate. Is that correct?" "No, we are hoping...one of the judges in the round table discussions said that he would like to see a Bill so that a fellow doesn't stand before him and cwe somebody five thousand dollars because how are you going to get five thousand dollars out of him if he doesn't have it. That's why we have come up with a flan where the minute that you are behind one payment of a hundred dollars or seventy-five or whatever you have agreed to in the settlement, that is...and that is delinquent payment, that is when the problem would be addressed. So that you wouldn't get to the point where you owed anybody five thousand."

"Okay, thank you. To the Bill. Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, in a continuing effort tc prevent further buildup of arrearment payments, I think this is a good step, a step in the right direction, and one that we all certainly ought to support. There is po reason why in settlements of this kind that the committuent is not kept. Certainly in the best interests of the young people and of either spouse who is responsible for the caring of those children should be kept, and I urge a favorable vote on this Fill."

"The Gentleman from St. Clair, Representative Flinn."

"Speaker, I move the previous question."

"The Gentleman moves the previous question. The question is, 'Shall the main question te put? All in favor signify by saying 'aye", those opposed 'nay". The 'ayes' have it, and Ms... Who is going to close that? Ms. Currie? Representative Currie to close."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Neubers of the House. I think we have had a full discussion of Senate Bill 1333. I think that you might be...you might like to know that there 219  68th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 22, 1983 are, in the State of Illinois, seventy-four thousand crders for child support presently on the judicial books. Of those seventy-four thousand, only fourteen thousand are full current...that is to say, there has been full cr partial payment made. We're addressing a very serious problem here. The problem is one of the child who needs support. The Sponsors of this Bill did try to meet some of the difficulties, some of the problems, the objections having to do with due process raised by Members of the Judiciary Committee, and I think that we went a fairly substantial way. Nobody will be surprised when the withholding order happens. Everybody, at the time the child support order is entered, will have a copy of that order in his or her hand. There is due process. There is certified mail, return receipt requested or, in fact, individual service. There is plenty of opportunity for any individual to come into court and say, "No, I am, in fact, current in my payments." Or, in fact, that there is some misunderstanding or miscalculation going on at the Clerk's Office. This is good legislation, critical for the children of Illinois. And I hope that we'll see a very large green vote on Senate Bill 1333."

"Question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed 'no'. The voting is now open and the Gentleman from Marion to explain his vote. Mr. Friedrich."

"Mr. Chairman, I think this is a problem which needs to be addressed. I have the feeling that there is going to be some problems result from this Bill. And just following up on Representative Ropp's suggestion, suppose at the beginning, the father was out of work, then, of course, there would be an accumulation of money due. So I assume that they would just start when he goes back to work and 220  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY BCUSE OF BEFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983 you can file a lien. I don't know what else because...so the arrears would never be picked up in that case. But I hope it works because there is a real need for it."

"Bave all voted who wish? Have all vated who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Bill, there are 110 voting 'aye', 1 voting 'no', 2 voing present, and this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Excuse me, s. Karpiel, you want to turn... Is your light having difficulty? Tura on your light. Is it on? Nothing is happening up here. Ms. Karpiel, your light is not showing on the board here. Turn MIS. Karpiel OF. Ycur...your light is CD. You're on...no?"

"Mr. Speaker, I had my light on the entire time and then I had it on explanation of vote..."

"Well, I'm saying to you..."

"And I vas waiting to get called on and didn't and I didn't even get to vote because 1 was holding cff to explain my vote."

"I...I am explaining to you that your light did not flash and is not flashing now, nor is it showing as keing on."

"Cap I have leave, please, to be put...leave of the House to be put on 'aye on that Roll Call?"

"Well, I think it can be placed in the Journal, but probably not in the Roll Call. Sc if you journalized it, it can be journalized. Yes, Mr. Fiel, for what purpose do you rise?"

"One of the very first orders of this acrning was when Mr. Bullock asked for leave, and the House unanimously gave him leave. And I don't see anything wrong with this when their switch is broken."

"Alright. I certainly don't want to treat Mrs. 221  68th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 22, 1983 Karpiel unfairly or make her a victim of technology. So, Mrs. Karpiel, for good cause shown, the...your vote will be recorded as 'aye'. Now, we are on Special Order of Business - State and Local Government, Senate Bill 1024 which is on the Order of Second Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 1024, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Industrial Development Authority Act. Third Reading of the Bill."

"No, it's...it's on Second Reading. No, it's on Second Reading on page 30 of the Calendar. Alright, we're going to take this out of the record and go back to it. On the Order of Second Reading Short Debate appears Senate Bill 1263. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 1263, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Industrial Development Authority Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"Amendment #1, Ewing, amends Senate Bill 1263."

"Gentleman from Livingston, Mr. Ewing. Yes, the Gentleman from Livingston."

"Amend...Amendment #2, whose Amendment is that, Mr. Speaker? Yeah. Is Representative Matijevich here?"

"Yes, Mr. Clerk, who is the Sponsor of Amendment #1?"

"No, 1 has been withdrawn. I would move to withdraw 1 if that's where we're at."

"Gentleman moves...Gentleman withdraws Amendment #1 to Senate Bill 1263. Mr. Clerk, that has not been adopted, is that correct?"

"Amendment #1 has not been adopted."

"Alright, then that's withdrawn. Are there further Amendments?" 222  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENEGAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983

"Floor Amendment #2, Matijevich, amends Senate Bill 1263."

"Gentleman from Lake, Mr. Matijevich."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, Amendment #2 seeks to incorporate most cf the provisions that Representative Earnes had with regards to House Bill 21...or 2100... the... with regards to Capital Development Eond Act authorizations, except that I do not change with regards to the Department cf Corrections authorization. All I do is add one dollar, and I might as well be upfront in what I'm doing. I feel that ve ought to have the capital bond authorization in a Conference Committee. We are not yet certain about revenues with regards to capital projects, and we have always attempted to square the matter of revenue with authorization levels. So I believe at this time it is a responsible Amendment, and I would certainly urge the House to support me or the adoption cf Amendment #2."

"Gentleman moves for adoption of Amendment #2 to Senate Bill 1263. Is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Livingston, Mr. Ewing."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I think everything that my colleague, the proponent of this Amendment, said is correct, but I think we ought to...it is a chance and a move by the other side of the aisle to play games with the capital development bond Bill. Now, we all know that we are going to have to put the money in there for the correctional institution in Danville, and this takes that money out. My suggestion is that We beat Arendment #3, and that we adopt my Amendment #4 which will add the added money which Representative Matijevich wants for the libraries and the correctional institution. So I would oppose this Amendment." 223  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 68th Legislative Day

Vinson: Mr. Vinsor." June 22, 1983 "Further discussion? The Gentleman from DeWitt, "Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Assembly, I rise to question the germaneness cf Amendment #2 to Senate Bill 1263. I would point cut to the Chair that the original Bill is an Act to repeal Section 8.2 of the Illincis Industrial Authority Act... Industrial Development Authority Act. This Bill... This Arendrent goes far beyond that. It deals with a wholly different agency- It changes the bond ceilings of a wholly different agency. It deals with general obligation bonds where the original Eill, the agency covered by it, deals sith revenue bonds."

"Yes, the Gentleman from Lake, Mr. Natijevich."

"Cn the matter of germaneness, the Arendment does speak to the issue of bonds, and the Amendment addresses the matter of bond authorization levels. And I would urge the Chair to rule the Amendment germane."

"Yes, Mr. Vinson."

"Well, Mr. Speaker, it's obvious it's going to take you months to figure out how tc rule withdraw the objection." on this thing, sc I

"The Gentleman withdraws the Vinson. Further discussion? Will, Mr. Van Duyne." objection. Thank Gentleman from you, Mr.

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I just rise momentarily to support this, and I want to also call to the attention of the House that I have House Besolution 391, which exhorts the Governor and the Department cf Corrections Chief, Michael Lane, from persisting in tearing doan the cell house in Stateville Penitentiary, which houses almost five hundred prisoners, or it did, at least, until they moved them to a different wing. So, even though Representative Matijevich seems to...or his interest seems to divert this 224  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIFTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983 money only temporarily until they can get this into Conference Committee, I just want to submit to all the Members of the House that maybe...it may be a stroke of genius on his fart, inadvertently as it might SEED to everybody. but that we may not really need to spend this thirty-seven and a half million on the Canville Prison if the Department of Corrections will only turn their...their attention to remodeling of Cell House D, which I have evidence here from the Department...cne of our staff, the cost of rehabilitating one round house cell...one round cell house is five to six million. Now, if we are serious in trying to save money, at least, just this year and maybe even in the year to come, we sight...it might be logical, and reasonable and very important to us to start thinking in terms of really removing this money from the appropriations Frocess and putting it into Cell House D at Stateville Penitentiary and saving thirty million dollars at least for this year. So what that all said and for other reasons, I support his Amendment."

"Mr. Matijevich, genius is never inadvertent. The question is, 'Shall this Awendrent be adopted?' All those in favor signify by saying "aye", those opposed "nay'. The 'ayes' have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendment?"

"Floor Amendment #3, Ewing, amends Senate Bill 1263."

"Gentleman from Livingston, Mr. Ewing."

"Mr. Speaker, I'd move to table Amendment #3."

"I"m sorry, Mr. Eving. What did you say?"

"I move to table 3."

"No, 3 has not been adopted. You just want to withdraw it?"

"Yeah...that's fine." 225  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCEIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983

"Alright, fine. Amendment #3 to Senate Bill 1263 is withdrawn. Further Amendment?"

"Floor Amendment #4, Ewing, amends Senate Fill 1263 as amended."

"Gentleman from Livingston, Er. Ewing."

"Yes, #4 just puts the Fill in proper form, and I'd move for its adoption."

"Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment #4 to Senate Eill 1263. Is there any discussion? Gentleman from Lake, Mr. Matijevich."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, the reasco 1 moved and adopted Amendment #32 is because as I addressed the Assembly, we are not yet sure of the revenues on capital projects. We're not sure where we ought to be on bond authorization levels, and it is imperative that if there is a bond authorization Bill, and we know there is a Bill, and this appeared to be the vehicle for that, that the Fill ought to go to Conference if we at all want to be responsible. If we adopt Awendment #4, the Governor, I'm sure would...because all it does is...is adds monies for Corrections and, therefore, it would, I'm sure go to the Governor in that form. And we will not have a bond authorization Bill in Conference Committee. I think that would be very irresponsible at this time. So I would urge the Members of the House to defeat Amendment #4 sc that the Bill proceeds in Conference where it really belongs."

"Further discussion? There being none, the Gentleman from Livingston to close."

"Mr. Speaker, I would just ask for a favorable vote on Amendment 4."

"Amendment 4. Question is, Shall this Amendment be adopted? All those in favcr signify by saying "aye", those opposed 'nay". The Mayes have... Those 226  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY EGUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983 opposed 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'nays' have it, and the Arenduent fails. Further Amendment?"

"Flcor Amendment #5, Ewing, amends Senate Bill 1263 on page one and so forth."

"Gentleman from Livingston, tr. Ewing."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, if I could have your attention for just a zoment. MI. Speaker, I have your attention for just a moment on this important Amendment? Your attention, please?"

"Yes, indeed."

"Nobody seems to be paying any attention."

"Hay we...may we have... May Mr. Ewing and the Chair have your attention, please? Mr. Ewing, proceed. We will give you the appropriate attention"

"Yes, this... Thank you very auch. This is the last Arendment on this Bill and in honor of former Representative "Emil Votek who is visiting with us today, I move to table it or withdraw it."

"Gentleman move...withdraws Amendment #5 to Senate Bill 1263. Are there further Anendments?"

"Nc further Amendments."

"Third Reading. With... Gentleman have leave to keep Senate Bill 1263 on the Order of Short Debate? Gentleman has leave. On the Crder of Senate Bills Second Reading - State and Local Government - Special Order, appears Senate Bill 1024. HI. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 1024, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Development... Illinois Industrial Development Authority Act. Second Reading of the Eill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Are there any Motions?"

"No Motions filed."

"Are there any...any Floor Arendments? Yes, Mr. 227  68th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 22, 1983 Vinson, for what purpose do you rise, Sir?"

"Mr. Speaker, has a fiscal ncte heen filed on this Eill?"

"Cn 1024?"

"Yes."

"Well, we'll find out. Mr. Clerk, do we have a fiscal note filed?"

"Fiscal note has been filed."

"Yes, Mr. Vinson."

"Who was that fiscal note submitted by?"

"Well, why don't you come down and take a look at it, Mr. Vinson."

"Well, I would just like the Chair to inform me who the fiscal note has been submitted by."

"Fardon, Sir?"

"I said I would just like the Chair to inform me who the fiscal note has been subaitted by."

"Mr. Clerk."

"Pension impact note has been filed by the Fension Laws Commission. The fiscal nçte has been filed by the Illinois Economic and Fiscal Commission."

"Yes, Mr. Vinson."

"Mr. Speaker, I would like to call the Chair's attention to a letter signed by Senator Dawn Clark Netsch. I believe you might know her. She is the Chairperson of the Illinois Economic and Fiscal Commission. The letter is dated April 20, 1983, and the letter states, 'I believe it would be useful to clarify an apparently continuing source of confusion regarding the Illincis Economic and Fiscal Commission and the provisions of an Act requiring fiscal notes in relationship to certain Fills, a copy of which is attached. Section 2 of this Act directs that fiscal notes shall be prepared by the Department, Ecard or entity of State Government that will be responsible for receiving or 228  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSENELY HOUSE OF REFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983 expending an appropriation or administering a change in the revenue laws made or affected by the Pill for which a fiscal note is requested. This Commission is not an entity under the terms of the Fiscal Note Act. Accordingly, the Commission has never bad authority tc prepare fiscal notes.' NOW, MI. Speaker, that is an eminent Member of this General Assembly. That is a Member of this General Assembly who serves as the Chairperson of the agency which submitted this particular piece of paper that you rely on for a fiscal note. I think it is clear that she knows and that every Member of this Chamber who has taken the time to read the Fiscal Note Act knows that there is not a profer fiscal ncte on this Bill. And I would inguire whether you regard this as a proper fiscal note?"

"I appreciate your reading the letter of Senator Netsch into the record, and I view it with SCBE interest. However, the Chair believes ieves that the Commission is appropriate to render that kind of decision. The purport of the Act is to provide us with an agency able to provide the appropriate kind of information and to give it the appropriate focus. The Chair believes that such a... that the Commission is such an agency. It is an appropriate agency of State Government and the fiscal note is, therefore, appropriate, MIS. Netsch's letter notwithstanding. Yes, Mr. Vinson."

"MI. Speaker, I just want to thank you for taking the time to make such an explicit ruling, even though it dces so contravene state law."

"Thank you for the thank you. Mr. Vinson, while the Chair has made a ruling, the Chair believes that we do important work here in this General Assembly and ke set precedent. We... The Chair believes in the notion of precedent, and we want things to be in the appropriate and 229  STATE OF ILLINGIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CЕВАТЕ 68th Legislative Day June 22, 1983 proper order. I read, therefore, from a subsequent letter from Senator Dawn Clark Netsch, the most guoted lady, dated May the 17th, 1983, dealing with... a Eill, and it says, 'Since this specific instance there is DC one agency capable of producing a fiscal note, I have instructed the Commission's staff to prepare the appropriate materials to assist the Sponsors in preparing a fiscal note under these circumstances as provided for in the Fiscal Note Act."" So that either Ms. Netsch bad a change of heart or she believed that she could help the legislative process by using this Commission to its fullest. And I thought you might want to see that letter, and, of course, I will...it would be available to you at the appropriate time. Now, yes, Br. Vinson."

"Well, I always appreciate your willingness to make expansive rulings. And I would just inguire whether you think the two letters taken together constitute a *noxie moron ?"

"Br...Mr. Vinson, under the statute, we are required to do these froceedings in English. So that, accordingly, I will proceed cņ, having ruled on the fiscal note on Senate Bill 1024. Yes, Mr. Vinson."

"I'd be interested in Representative Giorgi's opinion on whether this constitutes a 'noxie acron'."

"Mr. Giorgi is doing his abridged dictionary right now and will be back to Cu later OD. Alright. Now... yes, alright. Mr. Clerk, have there been any Motions filed on Amendment #12#"

"No Mations filed."

"Are there any further Arendrents?"