Illinois House Floor Debate — October 18, 1983

"The House shall come to order. The House shall come to order. The Members shall be in their chairs. Le shall be led in prayer today by Sister Fernadett McManigal who is with the Sisters of Charity of the Blessed Virgin Hary. Sister Bernadett is a guest of Representative Feg Breslin. Would the guests in the gallery please rise to join us in the invocation?"

"God, our Creator Father, You have made us a people dreamers and doers cradling in our bearts a fragile future. We are a people, Father, choosen no more than any other nation, state or people, and yet, together with every other nation and state, we belong to You. Wanting You, we are one with all people. In our efforts to be united, help us to trust in You, O God, and not in the work of our hands. Help us to trust even when fear threatens to corrode our dreams of peace for we earnestly seek that day when the world will find bread in our arsenals and war shattered by peace. We are a people, O God, who long to be free. May QUE poor be free from hunger and cur wealthy free from indifference. Nay those who grow cld know days free of loneliness and those who grow young live years free of selfishness. May the weak live free of offression and the strong free of the power that enslaves. Grant us the vision of your dream, Creator God, lest blindly bound to our own dreams we find ourselves enslaved. We are a people in guest cf justice for all, struggling to unravel injustice while striving to weave Your justice. Our hearts are not gne, despite the laws that proclaim us so. Our destinies are not one, despite the opportunities fromised. We are not united despite a common citizenship and a land both generous and fruitful. And yet, we are dreamers seeking justice by law, not in spite 1  81st Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENEBAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE October 18, 1983 of it, striving to shape a common destiny because You promised Your presence, struggling to distribute opportunities because we believe in the power of Your love. Be with us, O God, as we seek dreams of justice, especially in this Legislative Session. Drive us on by Your presence lest patience dilute our pursuit. Let us respond to Your call to be our best selves - representatives of all the people. God, our Father, You have made us, the people of Illinois, dreamers and doers, cradling in our hearts a fragile future. May Your Spirit bring new hope to that future, new vision to those dreams and new fruitfulness to our actions. Amen."

"We shall be led in the Pledge of Allegiance by Representative Ropp."

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

"Boll Call for Attendance. Mr. McPike, are there any excused absences? Mr. Webb, are there any excused absences? Oh, Mr. Daniels has arrived. Let the record show that there are no excused absences. Mr. Clerk, take the Attendance Boll Call. There being 113 Members responding to the Attendance Roll Call, there is a quorum present. Ladies and Gentlemen, if I could have your attention at the podium, we have with us, today, two new Members of the House of Representatives. One of those Members is Sharon Markette from the City of Chicago. Sharon will take her oath of office as administered by Judge Jeanne Scott, an Associate Judge of Sangamon County. Judge Scott."

"Would you raise your right hand please, and repeat after me? I, state your name, do solemnly swear..." 2  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCSIFTION DEBATE 81st Legislative Day October 18, 1983

"I, Sharon Markette, do solemnly swear..."

"...that I will support the Constitution of the United States..."

"...that I will support the Constitution of the United States..."

"...and the Constitution cf the State of Illinois..."

"...and the Constitution of the State of Illinois..."

"...and that I will faithfully discharge the duties..."

"...and that I will faithfully discharge the duties..."

"...of Representative of the 17th Legislative District..."

"...as Representative of the 17th Legislative District..."

"...to the best of my ability."

"...to the best of my ability."

"Congratulations."

"Thank you. To Speaker Mike Madigan, to all my colleagues, to my family and friends, it is, indeed, an honor and a pleasure to be here today to be assembling among such great leaders as yourselves. I look forward to working with each and every one of you, and this is history making fcr my family and for the Feople of the 17th Legislative District. I'm nat going to talk long. I understand that we have a lot at hand, so I'd like to the turn the floor back over to the gracious and most comfortable, Mike Madigan. Thank ycu."

"The Chair recognizes Representative Daniels for the purpose of an announcement."

". *Gracious and Most Comfortable', I... Now... Now you're also a compassionate computer. I, toc, am very pleased today to be able to introduce to all of you a 3  81st Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCEIFTION DEBATE Octcber 18, 1983 Gentleman that is our newest Republican Bepresentative, Tom Ryder, who is sitting in Representative Reilly's former seat and DOW Mr. Byder's seat. As I'm sure you're all aware, Ton was named in August to replace Jim Feilly who's now the Governor's Counsel. So all of you that treated him poorly before, you're going to pay for it now. Fut, of course, Jim is a tough act to follow from his district, but I'll tell you something, I'm very proud that we found Tom Ryder, because he is a man that will meet all of the expectations. Tom is 34 years old. He and his wife, Peggy, have two toddlers, Joshua and Tisothy. Tom lives in Jerseyville, Illinois, where he is an attorney. He's been a public defender for Jersey County and is now the Jerseyville City Attorney. Ton is a magna cum laude graduate of Northern Illinois University and received his J.D. from Washington and Lee University in Lexington, Virginia. Tom is also a farmer, having purchased his grandmother's 185 acre farm near Boodhouse after her demise in 1979. He grew up on a farm, and his dad still farms in Green County, Illinois. Tom, on behalf of all of the Members of the House, ve want tc welcome you to the Illinois General Assembly. We're locking forward to working with you, and on behalf of all of us, I'm proud to say, it's a real pleasure to have you join US. Congratulations, Tom. Tom Ryder."

"The Chair recognizes Bepresentative ayder."

"Mr. Speaker, Minority Leader - most gracious Minority Leader - he's already.... First time I spoke and be's already correcting me. I appreciate the waro welcome that you've given me. I will do my utmost to earn the respect and honor that it deserves. Thank you."

"Mr. Clerk, let the Attendance Boll Call shcW that Representative Markette is recorded as 'present'." 4  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENEBAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 81st Legislative Day

Clerk O'Brien: "Attendance Roll October 18, 1983 Call shall indicate Representative Markette in attendance."

"Hr. Clerk, do you have any business? Ladies and Gentlemen, if I could have your attention for a few moments, I would like to explain the plan for today, so if I could have your attention and if you would all turn to page three of the Calendar, at the bottom of page three of the Calendar, you will see that we have set certain veto Motions under Subject Matter Calls. We shall go to that Order of Eusiness tomorrow at 2 p.. As we move down the Calendar, when WE come upon a Bill which is already on a Subject Matter Call, we shall pass Over that particular Bill, because we expect that it will be called at the tice that the Subject Matter Call is taken. Approximately at 3:30, we shall go to the Order of Mctions that take Bills from the table if those Bills have been exempted by action of the House Rules Committee. So this would apply to the category of Conference Committee Reports and just simply Bills that have been placed on the table. And we will entertain Motions at that time to take those matters from the table. It is the plan to wçık to approximately 7:30 this evening SO that we can give every Member an opportunity to consider their Motions. On page four of the Calendar, under the Order of Total Vetoes, there appears House Bill 20, Mr. Giorgi. Mr. Giorgi, did you plan το call this Bill during the Session? Shall we remove this Bill from the Calendar? Mr. Giorgi."

"I do not plan to call that Bill for action this Session."

"Okay. Thank you, Mr. Giorgi. If the Membership could turn their attention to page nine, under the Order of Total Veto Notions, we will pass over those Motions where there is an indication that the Motion will 5  81st Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENEGAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE Octcber 18, 1983 appear on a Subject Matter Call; and, therefore, we shall go to House Bill 97. Mr. Matijevich, do you wish to call your Motion?"

"No, Mr. Speaker, I want to call it at scme time during the Session, but right now, I'm deliberating with the Governor's Office, hoping that probation is involved in the whole matter of the prison overcrowding..."

"Thank you, Mr. Matijevich. The Chair recognizes Mr. Friedrich. The Chair recognizes Mr. Daniels. Mr. Daniels."

"Mr. Speaker, we'd like to reguest a Republican Conference in Foom 118 immediately."

"Mr. Daniels, could you tell us how long you would be?"

"Four days. Excuse me. Forty-five minutes at the most."

"Pine. So shall we plan to be back on the floor at 1:15?"

"Yes, Sir, between 1:15 and 1:30, if that's alright with you, Sir."

"Anything's okay with me."

"Thank you, Sir - most gracious."

"So the House shall stand in recess for the purpose of a Republican Caucus until 1:15 or 1:30. Thank you."

"The House will come to order. The House will come to order. The Members come to their seats. Is Mike Pollack here? Committee Reports."

"Representative John Dunn, Chairman from the Committee on Transportation and Motor Vehicles, to which the following Bill was referred, action taken Cctober 9... 18, 1983, reported the same back with the following recommendation: 'do pass as amended Senate Bill 44." 6  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENEBAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 81st Legislative Day

October 18, 1983 "While... While SOME of the attendance is coming back to the floor... No? Are you ready Zeke? No. Okay. Strike that. On page nine of the Calendar, under Total Veto Motions, House Fill 307, Birkinkine. Does be wish to proceed? House Bill 312, Representative Taylor. House Bill 349, Representative John O'Connell. Oh, that's on a Special Call. I'm sorry. House Bill 366, Representative Terzich. Page nine of the Calendar, House Bill 482, Terzich. Out of the record. 48... House Bill 487, Representative DiPrima. Loes not wish to call his Motion. House Bill 488, Bepresentative Rea. No. Gut of the record on the Motion. House Fill 522, Representative Hawkinson. Out of the record. House Fill 662, Fangle. Out of the record. House Bill 682, out of the record. House Bill 730, Jim Rea. Out. House Bill 743, Kirkland. House Bill 791, Richmond. I think it's about time that I ask. Is there any Member that has a Nction a Total Veto Motion - on which they would like proceed? I don't see anybody raising their hand. While we re waiting to have ΜΟΓΕ Members drift in, WE are going to call the Agreed Resolutions. There's a number of Resolutions that have been agreed to. Clerk will read the Resolutions."

"House Resolution 466, Stuffle; 467, Didrickson; 468, Topinka: 469, Topinka: 470, Madigan: 471. Didrickson; 472, Daniels: 473, Mulcahey; 474, Satterthwaite et al; 475, Eidrickson; 479, Barnes; 480, Topinka: 481, McGann; 482, McGann; 483, Rice: 484, Giglio: 485, Wojcik: 487, Curran; 488, Brookins: 490, Matijevich et al: 491, Matijevich and Churchill; 492, Matijevich, Giorgi and Churchill; 494, Yourell; 495, Yourell; 496, Yourell; 497, Yourell; 498, Ralph Dunn and Richmond; 499, Ralph Dunn; 500, Ronan; 501, Gblinger; 504, Brummer; 505, Topinka: 506, Topinka: 507, Van Duyne and Christensen; and 511, Bullock. Also, House 7  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 81st Legislative Day October 18, 1983 Joint Resolution 73, Woodyard - Stuffle; House Joint Resolution 74, Topinka: 75, Daniels: 76, Giorgi - Madigan - et al: 77, Friedrich - et al: 78, DiFrima - et al; 79, Terzich - Vinson - et al; and 80, DiPrima - et al."

"The Gentleman from Winnebago, Representative Giorgi, on the Agreed Resolutions."

"Mr. Speaker, House 466, by Stuffle, congratulates the Teamster Local in Danville; 467, by Didrickson, congratulates a Special Citizen of the Year Award; 468, by Topinka, commends the Hinsdale Humane Society; 469, by Topinka, congratulates the executive committee of a festival at St... St. (sic SS.) Lauretana; Madison's... Madigan's 470 notes a retirement; 471 by Didrickson tells us of an Eagle Scout Award; 472 by Daniels highlights the trustees of the Village of Addison in their willingness to face up to their problem that plagues the entire state; 473, by Mulcahey, honors a scout; 474, by Satterthwaite, tells us of an outstanding professional career; 475, by Didrickson, notes an action by a Knights of Columbus; 479, by Barnes, tells us of a 10th Anniversary; Topinka's 480 honors the Brookfield Post 2868; 481, by McGoye... McGann, honors a retirement village; 482, by McGann, tells us of a Mrs. Florence Welch; 483, by Rice, heralds a Little League Baseball Championship; 484, by Giglio, celebrates a Silver Jubilee; 485, by Wojcik, honors outstanding achievements; 487, by Curran, congratulates Naomi B. Lynn; 488, by Brookins, tells us about a Dr. A. R. Leak; 490, by Matijevich, tells the world that the American Association of Retired Persons was incorporated 25 years ago; 491, by Matijevich, heralds the saving of a life by Dennis Mivshek; 492... 492, by Matijevich, speaks about Ross Aiuppy; 494, by Yourell, again honors a Boy Scout; 495, by Yourell, tells us about Lane's School in Alsip; 496, by Yourell, 8  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 81st Legislative Day October 18, 1983 notes Jean M. Gallagher of Oak Lawn; 497, by Yourell, commends Jenny Leehneer; 498, by Cunn, recognizes 50 years of exceptional service: 499, by Dunn, another Eagle Scout Award: 500, by Ronan, tells us about and lauds Frank Giglio in celebrating 10 years as Democratic Committeeman of Thornton Township: 504, by Brummer, nctes a 100th birthday; 505, by Topinka, sings about a 65th anniversary; Topinka zings this on the Illinois League of Municipal Employees that will celebrate its 50th anniversary; Van Duyne's 507 spreads on the record an induction in the Naismith Basketball Hall of Fame; 511, by Bullock, tells about the Mercy Hospital's 130 years of dedicated service; and 501, by Oblinger, congratulates the Capital Area AEYC. Those are the... Those are the Resolutions - Agreed Resolutions - that have accumulated since adjournment, I guess. The House Joint 73, by Woodyard, tells us about gallantry and about the recipient of a Silver Star for Gallantry; 74, by Topinka, notes the Order of Merit of the Federal Republic of Germany: Daniels, Joint... House Joint 75 wants to enhance the community awareness of the problem caused by substantive (sic - substance) abuse; Giorgi - Madigan, 76 asks that the imports from Japan by contained so that they won't jeopardize the American jobs: 77, by Friedrich, asks that the... diligent search be made for qualified candidates for appointments as Auditor General by the General Assembly; 78, by DiFrima, picks a Man of the Year; 79, by Terzich, heralds the long association of a person with the Illinois Public Employees' Pension Laws Commission; and 80, by DiPrima, again talks about veterans' actions, urges the present Congress of the United States to call actions available to ease the plight of our country's veterans. I move for the adoption of all the Agreed Besolutions and House Joint Resolutions." 9  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION ΣΕΒΑΤΕ 81st Legislative Day October 18, 1983

"The Gentleman from Winnebago, Bepresentative Giorgi, has moved the adoption of the Agreed Besclutions. There being no discussion, all in faver say 'aye', opposed 'nay', and the Agreed Resolutions are adopted. Representative Vinson, are you seeking attention? Bepresentative Vinson."

"Yes, I was seeking recognition prior to the adoption of the Motion. And I just wonder if the Gentleman has cleared those on this side of the aisle. I think we have the perogative to ask for that, and I did have my light on fcr quite a while."

"He had said earlier that he had cleared them."

"It's hard to understand him when he's addressing that point."

"You're right. On page 17 of the Calendar, on the Order of Amendatory Veto Motions, appears House Bill 67, Gordon Bopp. Do you wish to proceed, Bepresentative Ropp? Representative Hopp."

"Mr. Speaker, I move to accept the specific recommendations of the Governor as it pertains to House Bill 67 in that it did two things. It deleted the word probation office and inserted in lieu of there the word 'court", which the Governor felt was a more appropriate manner in which to deal with that subject. And it also deleted an unnecessary word, and that word was 'the'. I support the Governor in his actions, and I urge the House to vote favorably on his action."

"The Gentleman has Boved to accept the Governor's recommendations on House Bill 67. The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Cullerton."

"Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Mr. Speaker, I just think as a procedural 10  81st Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIFTION DEBATE October 18, 1983 matter on these amendatory vetoes, where we are asking to accept the amendatory veto that the Sponsor just briefly explain what the Bill does, rather than just tell us what the amendatory veto does. I just wonder if he could just briefly explain what the Bill does."

"Eepresent... Representative Ropp. Could we have the attention of the Members? Representative Ropp."

"Yeah, thank you, Mr. Speaker, Merters of the House. Representative Cullerton, I appreciate that opportunity to speak on behalf of House Bill 67 shich is a Bill that dealt with restitution, stating that the court has the permission to see that those victims should receive full compensation from the person who committed a particular crime rather than to previously allow the court to have the criminal pay OD his basis or his ability to pay. It provides for payment in kind. It extends the period of time in which the person who is paying the victig is allowed, and I think it is a provision that has been long needed to give concern for the person who is a victim. And this Bill addresses that situation."

"Representative John Dunn."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield for a question?"

"He indicates he will. Frcceed."

"One of the questions I had at the time this Fill was considered earlier, which I don't believe has been answered yet is, why do we need this Bill? Can't Judges do now what is recited in this Bill? We have a ict of people back home who don't want the statute books cluttered any more than we need to, and I thought a Judge could... could require restitution even without this statute."

"This... This Pill, Representative, makes it MODE clear, and it gives the Judge, in my district and I'm sure 11  81st Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE October 18, 1983 throughout the State of Illinois, the feeling that he is in a better position to do what he may have always wanted to do but felt under the law he could not do. And this Bill now allows him that authority."

"Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, just very briefly to the Bill. I think the Judges are paid adequately to examine the circumstances of each case and use their discretion, and I really don't think we need this Bill cluttering up our statute books. So I would urge that we withhold cur support for this legislation."

"Representative Bopp to close."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This has a very important Bill. It's been one that provides, finally, full restitution to the victis, and I urge your favorable support."

"Representative Bopp has moved to accept the Governor's specific recommendations for change with respect to House Bill 67 by the adoption of the Amendment. This is final action. All those in favor will signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'nay'. Requires 60 votes. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? O'Connell 'aye'. The Clerk will take the record. On this Motion, there are 112 'ayes', 1 'nay', 1 voting 'present', and this Motion, having received the Constitutional Majority, prevails. And the House accepts the Governor's specific recommendations for change regarding House Bill 67 with the adoption of the Amendment. House Bill 84, Representative Carol Braun. Is Carol ready? Evidently not. House Bill 205, Jack Davis. Representative Davis."

"Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 205 had a controversial Amendment put on in the closing days of the Session that was objected to by Representative Greiman and others on the other side as well as on this side of the aisle dealing with filing of 12  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 81st Legislative Day October 18, 1983 mortgage documents and recorders' fees for recorder of deeds in counties in the State of Illinois. After the Bill was passed - it did succeed through the process with that controversial Amendment - the Governor called in the Savings and Loan League and the mortgage institutions throughout the state and their representatives and, indeed, called in the recorders as well and worked out a compromise agreement that I think now is supported by everybody so that the mortgage documents, themselves, can still be sent in batches, but in each batch there is a fee of seven dollars for filing. I think everybody has agreed to it. To me... To my knowledge, there is no opposition. So, I would move now that we accept the Governor's specific recommendations for change contained in his amendatory veto on House Bill 205."

"Representative Davis has moved that we accept the Governor's specific recommendations with respect to House Bill 205. Is there discussion? If not, the question is, 'Shall the House accept the Governor's specific recommendations for change with respect to House Bill 205 by the adoption of the Amendment?' Those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Final action. Takes 60 votes. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 112 'ayes', no... 14 (sic - 114) 'ayes', no 'nays', and this Motion, having received the Constitutional Majority, prevails. And the House accepts the Governor's specific recommendations for change regarding House Bill 205 by the adoption of the Amendment. House Bill 252, Representative Ereslin."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I would ask that we adopt the Governor's specific recommendations for change in House Bill 292. This Bill 13  81st Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF BEPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE October 18, 198.3 allows corporate officers of small businesses to withdraw themselves from coverage under  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 81st Legislative Day October 18, 1983

"Representative Bullock has moved to accept the Governor's specific recommendations with respect to House Bill 390. Is there discussion? There being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall the House accept the Governor's specific recommendations for change with respect to House Bill 390 by the adoption of the Amendment?' This is final action. Those in favor signify by voting 'aye', opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 115 'ayes', no 'nays'. This Motion, having received the Constitutional Majority, prevails, and the House accepts the Governor's specific recommendations for change regarding House Bill 39C by the adoption of the Amendment. House Bill 417, Representative Richmond. Representative Bruce Richmond."

"Mr. Speaker, I believe that's cn..."

"Oh, that's on Special Call. I'm sorry. House Bill 441, Representative Gordon Ropp. Ropp."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. House Bill 441 was a Bill that deals with licensing and regulating of personal property warehousing which is in the jurisdiction of the Department of Agriculture. It's a Bill that has been approved and worked out over a long period of time with the Warehouse Association and the Department. What the Governor has done... As you may well recall, we had a lot of discussion on whether or not the word 'knowingly' ought to be placed in that Bill. It was in. It was out. It was in. It was cut, and now it's... the Governor is recommending that it be out, based on the fact that he believes that it will be totally if not virtually impossible to ever obtain a prosecution for a violation of the Act. I have all along supported the Governor and this 15  81st Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE October 18, 1983 idea, and I see no reason that we should have a Bill on the books - a law - which would make it impossible for ever a violation ever to come about... cr a prosecution to ever come about. And I am supporting the Governor on this action, and I urge your support in supporting me in this action to go along with the Governor's amendatory veto."

"Before we proceed, we've given authority for a Gentleman from the Medical Society to take some still photographs, so he... he does have that leave... for the Medical Journal, rather. Representative Bopp has moved to accept the Governor's specific recommendations to House Bill 441. Representative Brummer."

"Yes, will the Sponsor yield?"

"He indicates he will. Proceed."

"Yes, the Sponsor indicated that the word 'knowingly' was being stricken. I wonder if he might explain to the Body what the significance of striking 'knowingly' is, how frequently it is being stricken and what the Bill does with the word 'knowingly' being stricken? I suppose specifically I would like to know what one could inadvertently do and be charged with a penalty or crime for, even though it be inadvertent and not knowingly. And that would appear to be the status of this with the... if the Governor's amendatory veto is accepted."

"Representative Bopp-"

"Well, first of all, let me say that I am not an attorney as has been heretofore given notice. And whether... whether or not the word 'knowingly' fits in or does not belong in it, it's my judgment that if a person is in the business of warehousing and he does not comply with the regulations, even though he's been in that business for a long time, and then you have to prove that he 'knowingly' has not properly had his insurance, or 'knowingly' he did 16  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENEGAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 81st Legislative Day October 18, 1983 not have his fire extinguishers, or did nct have his license on the wall or whatever the case, if you havε το prove that, I think that whether it's negligence Οι whatever it is, it's a violation of the law, and this Bill ought to be passed."

"Representative Erumrer.

"Yes. Specifically, is failure to have the license on the wall, is that one of the... is that one of the items that would be affected by the language 'knowingly'? I mean of..."

"To be real honest, I am not sure, cther than I know that if you have a license, you've got to have it hanging somewhere so it's easily identified."

"Thank means if it fell off, or blew off the wall or something of this nature, even though the owner didn't know it, he would be guilty of a crime."

"Let's talk about fire extinguishers or something else."

"Well, no, I would..."

"Well, I'm not sure whether or not if it blew off the wall, I think that..."

"Well, if it inadvertently blew off the wall and the owner didn't know it, therefore, he did not 'knowingly' fail to bave that on the wall, yet, this appears to impose an absolute penalty on him for that not having been on the wall despite the fact that he didn't... even know it. Scre customer came by, knocked it off the wall, or some kid came through, and ripped it off and walked out with it, and the guy didn't even realize it, that doesn't make..."

"I think the importance of the Bill far exceeds the being atle to go to court and prove whether or not a person 'knowingly knew that a license blew off the wall or didn't know it. I think the mere fact that his care, and possession and safeguarding of the property was not being 17  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 81st Legislative Day October 18, 1983 upheld to the letter of the law is what we're trying to protect. We're trying to protect citizens here, not to determine whether or not that particular licensee knew whether or not he was not complying with the law."

"If the Sponsor would yield for one or two more questions, I now have the language in front of me, and among other things, it says, 'knowingly commits one or more Category 2 or Category 3 violations of the Act'. Could the Sponsor enumerate the Category 2 and Category 3 violations?"

"No. I don't have it in front of me."

"Mr. Speaker."

"Representative Brunner."

"If I might address this..."

"Froceed."

"...matter, I... Ever since we left the General Assembly in July, we have heard about the prison crisis and about the turmoil that is being created because we have too many people in jail or too little facilities to hold the people in jail that... that are there. I understood there was a press conference either yesterday or tcday in which the Governor urged again the Members of the General Assembly to examine the serious prison issue. And I guess I fail to see why we should impose an absclute crime on SOMEONE whe is involved in the business of serving as a warehouseman but who inadvertently violates SORE minor provisions of that Act. It is... It is not... It is not unusual that the state has to prove in a criminal matter the state of mind of an individual. Obviously. if they warn the individual and told him to put the certificate back on the wall or put the fire extinguisher on the wall and he failed to do so, they would then have a good case of 'knowingly'. I think the Governor's striking of this language was 18  STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 81st Legislative Day I October 18, 1983 ill-advised, and I think the General Assembly would be ill-advised to accept the Governor's asendatory veto. The *knowingly language appears to be appropriate, and I would suggest a more appropriate Motion would be to cverride the Governor's vetc."

"hepresentative Cullerton."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I concur with the previous speaker. I believe we should vote nc' on this Motion. I have just filed a Motion to override the Governor's veto, amendatory veto, on this important Eill. It was important enough for us to pass it. It was important enough for the Sponsor to accept that language when we passed it, and he knows that the Governor's wrong. He knowingly knows that the Governor's wrong, and we should simply dispose of this Motion by voting 'no' and then right after that, vote to override the Governor on this amendatory veto."

"Hepresentative Ropp to clcse."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I really can't understand why you want to allow warehousemen in the State of Illincis to not be in a position where they're providing the care, and the security and the safety for the citizens who put their personal property in their warehouse. What you're going to say is... if you do not accept the Governor's amendatory veto is to almost throw the whole warehousing system up in a shamble because no one is going to, in a long period of time, ever prove that anyone knew what they did or did not want to do. If you want to provide additional work for the attorneys, as apparently you are wanting to do, then you'll want to override the Governor's vetc. I'm saying, for the protection of the people in the State of Illinois who want to be assured that when they take their property to a warehouseman that he is properly licensed, that the security is there, that the safeguard for fire and for 19  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENEBAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 81st Legislative Day October 18, 1983 insurance is well handled, then you'll want to vote to support the Governor's amendatory veto. And I urge you to do that."

"On Representative Fopp's Motion, the question is, 'Shall the House accept the Governor's specific recommendations for change with respect to House Bill 441 by the adoption of the Amendment?' This is final action. Those in favor signify by voting 'aye', opposed by voting 'nay'. It takes 60 votes. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 49 'ayes', 60 'nays', 3 voting 'present', and the Motion fails. House Bill 564, Representative Bea. Representative Bea on... Yours is on Special Call, I believe. Yes. Representative Rea on House Bill 564."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. I would like to defer this one to Representative Hannig."

"Representative Hannig on House Bill 564."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. I would move to accept the Governor's change, his amendatory veto, on House Bill 564. What the Governor did was simply change the word 'employers', plural, to 'employer', singular. The Bill, itself, would provide that teachers could accumulate up to 360 sick days as opposed to the present law of 180 and take this when they retire. This would not provide that the school districts would have to give them compensation as if they worked those days, but simply would allow that they could take these days in their... in their retirement calculation. They would be given credit. So, I would agree with the Governor that the... that the Bill was technically somewhat incorrect and would move to accept his change in the Bill."

"Representative Bea (sic - Hannig) has moved 20  81st Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIFTION DEBATE October 18, 1983 to accept the Governor's specific recommendations with regards to House Bills 564. There being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall the House accept the Governor's specific recommendations for change with respect to House Bill 564 by the adoption of the Amendment?' Those in favor signify by voting 'aye', opposed by voting 'no'. This is final action. Requires 60 votes. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 111 'ayes', no 'nays', 1 answering 'present'. The Motion, having received the Constitutional Majority, prevails, and the House accepts the Governor's specific recommendations for change regarding House Bill 564 by the adoption of the Amendment. House Bill 615, Homer. Representative Homer."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen. I move that House Bill 615 do pass, the Governor's specific recommendations for change notwithstanding. The Bill changes the time that a school superintendent must report a battery committed against school personnel from a bond receipt of a complaint to within 24 hours after receipt of a written report. The Bill also requires that school personnel who miss work as a result of being the victim of such battery not suffer loss of salary, sick leave, seniority and other applicable employment benefits. It's the latter portion of the Bill that the Governor has amendatorily vetoed. The Bill passed the House 111 to nothing, in the Senate 57 to nothing. It was a uncon... noncontroversial Bill against which there was no opposition, and just basically provides that if a school personnel is required to attend court or is required to undergo medical treatment as a result of being the victim of a battery that that person shall not suffer loss of employment benefit. I would, therefore, move 'do pass'." 21  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 81st Legislative Day Octcber 18, 1983

"Representative Номер has moved that House Bill 615 pass, the veto of the Governcr notwithstanding. Representative Vinson. Bepresentative Vinson."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, question of the Sponsor."

"He indicates he will yield. Proceed."

"Representative, do I understand that you are making a Motion to override the veto?"

"That is correct."

"Thank you. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, the Governor's amendatory veto eliminated the Section of this Bill which stipulates that an employee who misses work as a result of a battery will not lose any erployment benefits. Now, why do ие not extend similar privileges to private employees? Why do we not extend similar privileges to every other governmental employee? Why should we create this kind of special legislation for teachers? NOW you've all, many of us at least, have gone on record for teachers any number of times. We don't need to go on record to create a special class of teachers here, to create a special dispensation from them in contrast to other employees. Why should a teacher be treated any different than a member of the United Auto Workers at Caterpillar? Why should a teacher be treated any different than a small business employee on the street in Canton? There's no reason we have to create a special benefit just for teachers in this case, a special benefit that in no Way corresponds to their employment, a special benefit that they should have no particular option tc have, as opposed to other employees.. If you want deal directly with the problems of teachers, there are a number of vehicles for doing that around here, but I don't believe that he need to extend this particular protection just to teachers and not to other employees. And for that reason, I rise in 22  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 81st Legislative Day October 18, 1983 Opposition to the Gentleman's Motion."

"Representative Homer to close."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In retort, let me just say that we have a very special situation we're dealing with in our schools, and that's the increased propensity toward violence, particularly perpetuated upon our teachers in our schools. And that permeates throughout all grade levels of our public schools, as well as for that matter, others. It's a very dissimilar situation than you would find among the United Auto Workers or in a factory where such a... where such a problem does not exist. All that this Bill does, very simply, is require that teachers or any other school personnel who are required to miss work as a result of being a victim of a battery not be suffered to lose in forms of compensation. It's an equitable Bill. It passed without dissent, without opposition last spring, and I would urge your favorable vote for an override."

"On Representative Homer's Motion, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 615 pass, the veto of the Governor notwithstanding?' This is final action. Those in favor signify by voting 'aye', opposed by voting 'no'. Requires three-fifths vote. Have all... Those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. I'm sorry. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 66 'ayes' and 41 'nays', and the Motion to override fails. House Bill 622... Oh, Representative Bouer."

"Mr. Speaker, I would move to poll the absentees."

"The Gentleman asks a Poll of the Absentees. Representative Vinson."

"Mr. Speaker, on the board, you've got listed now House Bill 622. You declared that the Motion had failed. The Gentleman did not, at a timely fashion, pursue his remedy, 23  81st Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE October 18, 1983 and I believe that we're on 622. And I think you really have to rule that way if you're going to be fair."

"Representative O'Connell."

"Mr. Speaker, I wasn't recorded, and I'd like to vote "aye'."

"Representative Vinson, you want to come up here for a moment? Hold everything. Representative Homer, I would suggest that you refile your Motion. You can refile the Motion, and because we have 622 on the board, I'm going to have to rule any further change of the votes. So you... you can refile your Motion. House Bill 622, Peterson. And I'll promise to go a little slower from now on. Representative Peterson. The Gentleman from Lake, Representative Peterson."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to move to override the Governor's amendatory veto of House Bill 622. The Bill, itself, gives the school board the power by resolution and by backdoor referendum to impose a five cent levy for the purpose of... leasing school facilities from other school districts. The amendatory veto would make that a front door referendum. I feel that the amendatory veto should be overridden because the board already has the power in several other instances to enact a levy by its resolution of the board. Also, other governmental units have been given approval to implement backdoor referendum tax levies - park district among one. The long term goal of this Bill is to utilize unused facilities that are vacant. In my particular district we have growing enrollments. Presently we have districts that are leasing vacant school buildings from other districts instead of them standing there vacant. I think that the many people in our area and I'm sure that other areas from DuPage County that I've talked to have similar situations. I feel 24  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION LEBATE 81st Legislative Day October 18, 1983 this is a valid request. This Bill passed with 95 votes out of the House. It passed the Senate with 36 votes, and I ask this Body to override the Governor's amendatory veto. Thank you."

"Representative Peterson has moved that House Bill 662 (sic - 622) pass, the veto of the Governor notwithstanding. On that, the Gentleman from Lake, Representative Fierce."

"Mr. Speaker, I agree with the Gentleman's Motion. It certainly makes sense for a fast growing school district in this day and age, instead of building additional schools, to rent... to rent schools in adjoining districts. There's vacant schools in adjoining districts - and we know the way population trend goes - this district may not need an additional school five years or ten years after it's built, but they can rent now. He provided for the backdoor referendum here for the rental, and it certainly makes sense for an elected board - school district board - subject to backdoor referendum to have a levy to rent a vacant space in schools in adjacent districts rather than spend all the money to build schools in their district that are needed now but they may not be needed in five or ten years. So, I support the Gentleman from Lake's Motion to override the Governor's amendatory veto of House Bill 622 and restore the Bill to the way we passed it this spring in the General Assembly."

"The Gentleman from DuPage, Representative Gene Hoffman."

"Thank... Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I rise today as Chairman of the School Problems Commission. The School Problems Commission endorsed this Bill when it was originally introduced, and last night, at a School Problems Commission meeting with 25  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 81st Legislative Day October 18, 1983 two dissenting votes, we voted to support the Gentleman's Motion that is before you today. I concur with the remarks, and the Commission concurs with the remarks made by... both of the previous speakers. And I would ask for your 'aye' vote."

"Representative Diana Nelson."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I, too, would like to add my voice to those in support of this Motion to override the Governor's veto. It makes so much better sense to encourage school districts to lease buildings than to build new ones, and I urge you to vote 'yes'."

"Representative Peterson to close."

"I thank... thank my colleagues for their support. I think we've discussed the Bill thoroughly, and I would urge your support to override the amendatory veto on House Bill 622. Thank you."

"On Representative Peterson's Motion, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 622 pass, the veto of the Governor notwithstanding?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'nay'. This is final action and takes a Three-Fifths Constitutional Majority. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this... Ebbesen 'aye'. On this question, there are 81 'ayes', 32 'nays', 1 voting 'present', and the Motion to override prevails. And House Bill 622 is declared passed, the veto of the Governor notwithstanding. House Bill 643, Al Ecnan. The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Ronan."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker  STATE OF ILLINGIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF BEPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 81st Legislative Day legislation."

October 18, 1983 "Gent... The Gentleman has moved to accept the Governor's specific recommendations with regard to House Bill 643. Representative Diana Nelson." "Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I agree with the previcus speaker that the Governor's changes in this particular Eill are rather minor and, in fact, what he does is add to the list of exemptions for those people in the state who can carry firearms members of the State's Attorneys Appellate Service Commission Investigators. But it is also true that the Bill, itself, I think, makes a rather tajor change because it also adds to those persons whc are allowed to carry firearms, not only detectives and also private security firm employees, but also burglar alarm installers. And I simply do not see any reason why those of us in Illinois who, in general, support handgun control legislation, would want to extend an exemption to people tc carry firearms, which is what the Bill actually does. It is a broadening of the original Bill that came before the Sunset Committee that had to do with licensing of detectives and also with those people employed by private security agencies. All of us, I think, would agree that those tuc professions need to be regulated and that members of those professions need to be able to carry firearms. I do not, however, believe that it is necessary to extend that right to people who install burglar alarms. And, therefore, I'm going tc vcte 'no', and I would urge you all to do likewise."

"Bepresentative Ronan to close."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Notwithstanding the consents of the previous speaker, ME debated the Bill extensively during the last Session. It passed out of the House with 78 votes. Obvicusly, burglar alarm installers, like any 27  81st Legislative Da y STATE OF ILLINGIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE October 18, 1983 other individuals covered by this Act, should be licensed. There should be controls upon them so that if they're out on the streets, they're coming into people's home, people's businesses... This is just an attempt to license those individuals, regulate them, to make sure that they're qualified and have the proper credentials in order to perform that work. I agree with the Governor's amendatory message, and I move for the acceptance."

"On Representative Eonan's Motion, the question is, Shall the House accept the Governor'S specific recommendations for change with respect to House Bill 643 by the adoption of the Amendment?" Those in favor signify by voting 'aye", those opposed by voting 'nc', and this takes 71 votes because it was passed after June 30th for immediate effective... Have all vcted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. Speaker, 'aye'. On this Motion, there are 91 ayes", 19 nays", 1 answering 'present'. This Motion, having received the Constitutional Three-Fifths Majority, prevails, and the House accepts the Governor's specific recommendations for change regarding House Bill 643 by the adoption of the Amendment. House Fill 644, Representative Dennis Bastert. Representative Hastert: Hastert." "Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, House Bill 644 was the assessment accountability Bill which had, basically, two provisions in it. Cne was in order for an assessor to qualify for a stipend, he had to meet two requirements. One, that he does assess in his township at a thirty-three and a third percent level, and two, that he also meet a sliding coefficient and dispersement level that comes down over a six year period. We did, in our original piece of legislation, have a five percent range akcve and below. Otherwise, it would be two and a half percent above 28  81st Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF BEFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE Octcber 18, 1983 thirty-three and a third, and two and a half percent below thirty-three and a third. The Governor's amendatory veto changed this to two percent which it slides and fits into accepted standards that are there now. It also says that this Bill would be effective in 1984 for the 1985 tax year, but for the 1984 assessment year, so that the crganizations putting this into play have time to set up their standards and put it into action. I ask that NE would accept the Governor's amendatory veto."

"Bepresentative Bastert has moved that the House accept the Governor's specific recommendations with regard to House Bill 644. Gn that, Representative McMaster."

"Thank you, ΜΕ. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield? Denny, where does the money come from to pay the stipend?"

"The money will come from the General Revenue Fund in 1985 tax year."

"What is your estimate of the cost of this?"

"The estimate of the cost right now is that if the people who qualify for this right now would be forty people throughout the State of Illinois, the... so the cost of it, for instance, this year, would be 3,000 tises 40 - 120 thousand dollars."

"And this is paid by the state, not by the local governments themselves, as you said, out of General Fund."

"It's paid for... It's paid for by the state." aster: "Personally... May I speak to the Bill, Mr. Speaker. Personally. I feel that it is a mistake to Fass legislation, although I know it is not too late to provide a stipend to assessors who are hired or elected to do a job. Now, if they don't do the job, of course, they just get their salary. But now, if they do they job and do it properly, as they're supposed tc dc anyhos, then we're 29  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENEGAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 81st Legislative Day Octcber 18, 1983 going to give them an extra 3,000 dcllars. I think it's bad legislation, and I hope we can turp down the acceptance of this amendatory veto and kill the whole Bill."

"Bepresentative Bastert tc close."

"Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, in reply to Representative McMaster, if we had an equitable system, but I think the system shows itself. There are hardly 50 people... There are not 50 fecgle in the State of Illinois cver a possible 5,000 people that are doing the job right, and we have to find a way to do it. I think we've addressed the issue, and I certainly would appreciate your positive vote on this issue. Thank you."

"Representative Hastert co his Motion, the question is, 'Shall the House accept the Governor's specific recommendation for change with regard to House Bill 644 by the adoption of the Arendment?' Those in favor signify by voting 'aye', opposed ty voting "no". This is final action and takes 60 votes. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. Gn this question, there are 95 'ayes', 15 nays, 1 answering 'present'. This Motion, having received the Constitutional Majority, prevails, and the House accepts the Governor's specific recommendations for change regarding House Bill 644 by the adoption of the Amendment. House Bill 1683, Representative Zwick. Are you handling that, Zwick? Representative Zwick."

"Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to... I'd like to move to accept the Governor's amendatory veto cn House Bill 1683. It was merely same technical corrections in the placement of one wrong word that was similar in spelling, and another correction was changing the number... the minimum number of people in a commuter van from eleven to nine to conform to federal law. Oh, it's the ridesharing 30  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOOSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE October 18, 1983 81st Legislative Day Pill."

"For those Members whc are wondering, I skipped a whole page and a half, so We're going to come back to those others. I was wondering why the arms were waving back there. We'll соmplete this Bill."

"And I would... I would ask for your favorable vcte. It was almost a unanimous vote last time."

"Bepresentative Zwick has moved that we... that we accept the Governor's specific recommendations with regards to House Bill 1683. Bepresentative Cullerton."

"Yes, would the Lady yield for a question?"

"She indicates she will."

"Representative Zwick, did we have a discussion about this Bill on Third Reading concerning the affect it would have on the taxis and the CTA, for example, and the RTA?"

"Yes, we did, and I thought that we resolved that issue in assuring you that it would not do what you thought it might do, by dealing with the two round... limiting this to two round trips per day between your place of business and your home, John."

"Okay, and the Governor's amendatory veto in no way changes that... that intent?"

"No, it doesn't at all. I believe all it does... The main purpose of the amendatory veto was to change the number... the minimus number of passengers in a commuter van from eleven to nine so that it is consistent with the federal definition in the federal laws that relate to ridesharing arrangements."

"Fine. Thank you."

"Thank ycu."

"Representative Zwick to close."

"I would just ask for your support again on this Bill."

"Bepresentative Zwick On her Motion, the 31  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 81st Legislative Day October 18, 1983 question is, 'Shall the House accept the Governor's specific recommendations for change with respect to House Bill 1683 by the adoption of the Amendment? Those in favor signify by voting 'aye', opposed by voting 'no'. Final action. Requires 60 votes. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 108 'ayes', no 'nays', and this Motion, having received the Constitutional Majority, prevails. And the House accepts the Governor's specific recommendations for change regarding House Bill 1683, by the adoption of the Amendment. Now we'll return to where we should be. I see what I did. I went to page sixteen instead of seventeen. House Bill 645, Representative Jim Rea. James Rea."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. On House Bill 645, I move to override the Governor's amendatory veto. House Bill 645 had several provisions in it. It had... It provided for the FCW license plates for pickup trucks. It provided for... Those would be free, and we did make the provision for POW license plates for automobiles during the last Session of the General Assembly. It would also provide volunteer firemen license, and those they would have to pay for, and the vanity plates for pickup trucks and also included with the FCW's was the license plates for the Pearl Harbor survivors. That legislation that went out of the House was 99 to 7. There were... At the time that these particular areas were heard in Committee there was no objection that was voiced in Committee nor actually on the floor. The Governor had amendatorily vetoed out the POW license plates, and the Pearl Harbor survivors and the volunteer firemen's, and I would move at this time for an override."

"Was that a full override? I was talking to 32  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 81st Legislative Day someone."

"Yes." October 18, 1983

"Yes. Representative Bea has moved that House Bill 645 pass, the veto of the Governor notwithstanding. On that question, Representative Vinson."

"Mr. Speaker, will the Sponsor yield for a question?"

"He indicates he will. Proceed."

"You are moving to totally override the Governor's veto. Is that correct, Representative?"

"That's correct."

"And, essentially, as I recall the veto, it took out the provision for... volunteer firemen and people who might have been at Pearl Harbor at some point, to give them special plates. Is that basically the substance of the amendatory veto?"

"Yes, that is correct."

"If we..."

"Three areas he took out - the Pearl Harbor survivor, the POW license plates for the pickup trucks and the license plates for the firemen."

"Now, if we're going to have a special license plate for volunteer firemen, why not for volunteer paramedics?"

"Well, you may want to introduce that Bill next time."

"If we're going to have a special license plate for Pearl Harbor survivors, what about the survivors of Bataan?"

"Well, Representative, if you recall, whenever the Amendment, that was placed in the Senate on the Pearl Harbor survivors, came back... that we did have to send back to Committee because it did not state that they had served... would had to of served in the U.S. Military, and we changed that."

"To the... To the Bill, Mr. Speaker."

"Proceed." 33  STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 81st Legislative Day

"I understand October 18, 1983 the... I'm sure the Gentleman comes to us in very good conscience with his Motion. I'm sure he has concern about this. I'm sure there are a vast number of people in his district who've requested him to make this Motion to override this particular vetc. I would suggest that if we get to this point where we're going to start creating, every time somebody talks to a Member of the Legislature, a new class of special plates, we're going to be up to about 11 million classes of special plates in this state before long, at least four or five million, as many people who drive. Everybody has some particularly unique feature that characterizes them as a driver. We may have any number of things. We may have a special class of plates for those people who have had corn blight, and I don't believe that we, particularly, need to begin doing that. I don't see what distinguishes a volunteer fireman from a paramedic. I certainly don't see what would distinguish a volunteer fireman free any number of other important occupations, and we do have in this state now a provision for vanity plates, whereby people who want unique license plates can come in and pay the cost that that occasions to the public of this state to get that unique plate. I believe that's a fair way of doing it. That's a user fee for people who want their automobile particularly distinguished. And for those reasons, I would urge Members to vote against this Motion, and I would point out that it does take 71 votes."

"Representative Rea to close."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. I... I do know that this passed out overwhelmingly before, and I also want to thank Representative Vinson for having voted for it before, because having done a little bit of fast research, Representative Vinson was very supportive of this Bill. So 34  81st Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE October 18, 1983 I don't quite understand it. I do think that there is one thing that either the Governor - I knew he had many Bills to deal with - and either he was dealing with this late at night or else he got some bum advice by a staff member, because surely, the Governor would not have made an amendatory veto on the license plates for the POW's after having passed and signed legislation for FOW's during the last Session of the General Assembly and at the same time having approved cther special plates including the vanity plate. So, I would ask that there... fcr a favorable Rcll Call that we give the support that is needed fcr the override. Thank you."

"Representative Bea has acved that House Bill 645 pass, the veto of the Governor notwithstanding. Those in favor signify by voting 'aye", those opposed by voting 'no'. This takes a Constitutional Three-Fifths Majority, 71 votes. Have all voted? Have all voted wha wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 66 'ayes', 41 'nays', 1 answering 'present', and the Gentleman from... Bepresentative Rea asks for a Foll cf the Absentees, from Franklin. Clerk will read the Absentees."

"Poll of the Absentees. Ereslin; Dwight Friedrich, Giglio, Huff, Jaffe, McPike, Oblinger, Fullen, Shem and Taylor. No further."

"What's the count?"

"66 aye", 41 'no'"

"Alright. The vote is 66 "ayes", 41 'nays' and 1 answering "present", and the Motion fails. Ch. Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't... I was talking here, and a few people wanted to change their votes and... Oblinger 'aye'. Breslin 'aye'. Representative Friedrich."

"Mr. Speaker, I'd like to explain by vote."

"Proceed." 35  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 81st Legislative Day

October 18, 1983 "I don't think anyone belittles the people who are being recognized here, but history is full of people that made sacrifices. That's what made this country what it is, and I'm sure they didn't contemplate making a special license plate for everybody that's sacrificed themselves in the line of duty. I think it is a duty of people to be for their government and die, if it comes to that. But I think this is getting a little bit on the absurd side, because every Session we have another set of license plates for somebody else. Now, if you want to interpret that as my being unpatriotic, unfavorable tc veterans, you can interpret it any way you want to, but I'm voting 'ac'."

"Friedrich no. Representative Giglio 'aye'. Giglio 'aye'. Representative AcMaster. McMaster, are you seeking recognition? Representative McMaster. McMaster."

"Will you change me from 'aye to ac, please?"

"Frcm aye to *c*. Representative Rhem 'aye'. Could we have the count now, Mr. Clerk? On this question there are 69 'ayes and 40... 40 what, Tony? 43 'nays', 1 answering 'present', and the Motion fails. Representative Greiman in the Chair."

"On page 18 of the Calendar under Amendatcry Veto Motions affears House Fill 657. Amendatory Veto Motion. Representative McCracken." McCracken: to "Thank you, Mr.. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen. I move accept the Governor's specific recommendation for to change. The Govετρος has correct... made a technical change to correct the penalty title frce criminal trespass to building to the co correct title, crisinal trespass residence. I move the House accept this change."

"Gentleman MOVES to accept the Governor's amendatory veto. On that, is there any discussion? There 36  81st Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE October 18, 1983 being none, the question is, 'Shall the House acc... Yes, I'm sorry. Mr. Cullerton."

"Yes. Normally, I'll just turn my... my speak light on. If you want me to yell, too, I'll..."

"Proceed, Mr. Cullerton."

"Would the Sponsor yield?"

"Yes."

"Indicates he will."

"Is this more than just technical? The... The Bill, as we passed it, was a criminal trespass to a building. That's... A building is broader than a residence."

"No. We passed criminal trespass to residence, and the error was leaving the word 'building' in the penalty Section, not the title Section."

"Oh, I see. So, the Bill was amended from when it was initially filed."

"Correct."

"So that now it only... it only applies to a ... a residence."

"Yes, Sir."

"Okay. Fine. Thank you."

"Further discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall the House accept the Governor's specific recommendations for change with respect to House Bill 657, by adoption of the Amendment?' This is final action. All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'nay'. Voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all vote who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. This Motion, having received the Constitutional Majority, prevails, and the House accepts the Governor's specific recommendations for change regarding House Bill 657 by the adoption of this Amendment. On page... On page 18... Alright. And there 37  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 81st Legislative Day October 18, 1983 are 115 "ayes", none voting "no", none voting "present", and... and the Motion prevails. Cn page 18 of the Calendar, Amendatory Veto Motions, appears House Bill 701. Amendatory Veto Motions. Representative Bowman is recognized on that Motion."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 701, in its original form, permitted townships to lease their property to other units of local government without going through the customary bidding process. The amendatory veto provides that such leases shall not exceed a term of 50 years. I now move that we accept the Governor's amendatory language."

"Is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall the House accept the Governor's specific recommendations for change with respect to House Bill 701, by adoption of the Amendment?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'nay'. Voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Motion there are 112 voting 'aye', none voting 'no', none voting 'present', and the Motion, having received the Constitutional Majority, prevails. And the House accepts the Governor's specific recommendations for change regarding House Bill 701, by adoption of the Amendment. On page 18 of the Calendar under Amendatory Veto Motions appears House Bill 721. Amendatory Veto Motions. The Gentleman from DuPage, Mr. Daniels. Mr. Vinson, will you proceed with that?"

"I... I'm prepared to do that or Representative Matijevich, whichever he would prefer."

"Mr. Vinson, proceed. Gentleman from DeWitt."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I am prepared to move to accept the Governor's amendatory veto in regard to House Bill 721. The Governor 38  81st Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE October 18, 1983 argues that rather than to prescribe for the Attorney General a definition of legitimate police publications, that we, in essence, rest some minimal degree of discretion with him for distinguishing those things. I believe that's appropriate in this particular case, and I would move that the House do accept the Governor's specific reccomendations for change in regard to House Eill 721."

"Is there... Is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, Shall the House accept the Governor's specific recommendations for change with respect to House Bill 721, by adoption of the Axendment? This is final action. All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'nay". Voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Hr. Clerk, take the record. On this Motion there are 110 voting 'ayє", none voting 'no", 1 voting present', and this Motion... Representative Nelson *aye, making is 111 voting 'aye', none voting 'no', 1 voting present', and this Motion, having received a Constitutional Majcrity, prevails. And the House adopts... accepts the Governor's specific recommendations for change regarding House Bill 721, by the adoption of the Amendment. On the Grder of Amendatory Veto Motions appears House Bill 747. Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Capparelli."

"Mr. Speaker, I move to accept the amendatory veto. This... The Bill established a comprehensive requirement relating to care and custody and maintenance of prisoners, and the Governor has recommended that when the life or health of a prisoner is endangered to such a degree as to render his removal be necessary, nc prisoner charged with a felony shall be removed from a mental ΟΙ health developmental disability facility unless the prisoner is unfit to stand trial. I move to accept the Governor's 39  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 81st Legislative Day amendatory vetc." October 18, 1983

"Is there any further... any discussion on the Motion? There being none, the question is, Shall the House accept the Governor's specific recommendations for change with respect to House Bill 747, by the adoption of the Amendment?" This is final action. All in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Motion there are 112 voting 'aye', 2 voting 'no', none 'present', and this Motion, having received the Constitutional Majority, prevails. And the House accepts the Governor's specific recommendation for change regarding Ecuse Bill 747 by the adoption of the Amendment. On the Order of Amendatory Veto Motions appears House Bill 754. Gentleman from Livingston, Mr. Ewing."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I would like to move to approve the amendatory veto of Governor Thompson to House Bill 754. This Bill provides for funding of alternate schools. The changes are both technical to make the alternate school appropriation process the same as the lab school, which are both in the same Section of the statute. There is no substantive change by his amendatory veto."

"Is there any discussion? Any discussion? Yes, Representative Satterthwaite, Lady from Champaign."

"Would the Sponsor yield?"

"Indicates that he will."

"Representative Ewing, as the Bill originally passed, it had nothing to do with the laboratory schools. Is that right?"

"That's correct, and it still doesn't."

"It still does not?" 40  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 81st Legislative Day

"It does not."

October 18, 1983 "I thought you indicated, however, that... that this would provide a separate line item for appropriations."

"No. It... The appropriation process will be handled the same as for lab schools. The lab school authorization is in the same Section. He just wants it done the same way, instead of having two different processes."

"You're not... You're not talking about a separate line item of appropriation. The funds for both the alternative schools and the laboratory schools would still come directly from the Distributive Aid Formula?"

"Yes. They would not change."

"Thank you."

"Further discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall the House accept the Governor's specific recommendations for change with respect to House Bill 754 by adoption of the Amendment?' This is final action. All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'nay'. Voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Motion there are 113 voting 'aye', 1 voting 'no', none voting 'present', and this Motion, having received the Constitutional Majority, prevails. And the House accepts the Governor's specific recommendation for change regarding House Bill 754, by the adoption of the Amendment. On the Order of Amendatory Veto Motions appears House Bill 768. The Gentleman from Lake, Mr. Matijevich. Okay. Alright. On the Order of Amendatory Veto Motions appears House Bill 798. Gentleman from Lake, Mr. Matijevich."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, House Bill 798 was a Bill relating to retirement for the 41  STATE OF ILLINOIS 63RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 81st Legislative Day October 18, 1983 Secretary of State investigators and was also amended to take care of a few special agents in the Department of law Enforcement who had not yet accrued eight years of service and were past the mandatory 60 year of age retirement. The Governor deleted that portion of the Bill which would have permitted those special agents of CIE to remain employed past the age of 60 if they had not accrued that eight years of service prior to January 1, 1964. He felt that that flied in the face of a recent Supreme Court decision. I'm not sure I agree with him, but I am now moving to accept the Governor's specific recommendations for change with regard to House Eill 798."

"And on that, is there any discussion? Any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall the House accept the Governor's specific recommendations for change with respect to House Eill 798, by adoption of the Amendment?' This is final action. All those signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'nay'. Voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Action there are 112 voting 'aye', 1 voting 'no', none voting 'present', and this Motion, having received the Constitutional Majority, prevails. And the House accepts the Governor's specific recommendations for change regarding Ecuse Bill 798, by the adoption of this Amendment. On the Order of Amendatory Veto Motions appears House Eill 946. Mr. Klemm, would you like to come to the well for a moment, please? We'll hold this just for a second while you straighten scmething out. Mr. Klemm, we're going to just skip over this Eill for a moment. We'll get back to it, though. On the Order of Amendatory Veto Motions appears Bouse Bill 960. The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Birkinbine. Do you wish to proceed, Mr. Birkinbine?" 42  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIFTION DEBATE October 18, 1983 81st Legislative Day

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker...."

"Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Birkinbine."

"Thank you, Br. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I would remind you that this was the Fill that raised, from 25,000 dollars to 35,000 dollars, the limit beyond which people would have to fill cut a statement of economic interest with the state, and this was at the request of a number of municipalities whc found that they had firemen, they had blue collar workers, they had a number of people whọ were having tc fill out these statements and that, frapkly, that wasn't necessary. The original intent of this legislation Was to bave those people in the decision-making, in a policy-setting role, have to file such statements. I would remind you that every Legislator and Judges and anyone in the Executive Branch still has to fill out such foras but that this is designed to take off the... the load off of municipalities, and frankly, unions. We had a number of union people come to us and say they'd like to be included in this as well, because they find a lot of their members are having to fill out these statements which really don't impact on their job whatsoever. So, I would move to averride the Governor's amendatory veto of House Bill 960."

"Is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Cullerton."

"Will the Sponsor yield?"

"Indicates that he will."

"Representative Birkinbine, your criginal Bill raised the level from 25,000 to 35,000, and the Governor's amendatory veto raises the level from 25,000 to 30,000. Is that correct?"

"Yes."

"What is the significance, in terms of number of 43  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENEBAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF BEPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 81st Legislative Day October 18, 1983 people who have to file these statements, between the 30,000 and the 35,000?"

"I don't have the exact numbers at sy disposal. I do know that the 35,000 dollar number was presented by the municipalities and, as I recall, agreed to by both the teachers' unions. And I know... I think it was the AFT that came to me and said they would like to be included in that, because they have a number of their employees who fell into that range."

"Well, the Governor's amendatory veto says that the Bill would drastically reduce the number of filings under the Act if it went to 35,000. Does that... Do ycu agree with that?"

"Yes. That's the intent. Eight now there are a great many people having to file, yet those people are not the decision makers. They're not recple who are setting policy and who we should be keeping an eye on to see whether ΟΓ not they do have financial entanglements or not."

"Well, the Governor says that Bany employees in responsible decision-making positions would be eliminated from having to file. Do you disagree with that?"

"Yes, I do." Cullerton; "I'm just wondering if the 35... if there's any significance with his figure of 30,000. Where did he come up with that?"

"I don't know. Last Session, when Dolly Hallstrom had a similar Bill, she tried to bring it up to 30, and the GovernoГ kicked it back to 25. Be's... It's sort of like we're trying to drag him into the present time of what people are actually getting paid."

"Do you think the Governor is confused?"

"les. I'... On this one and on a number of other 44  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENEGAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 81st Legislative Day October 18, 1983 issues, I will readily agree that the Governor is very confused."

"And I assume that if you fail on your Action, you'll accept his amendatory veto."

"Yes."

"Alright. Ckay."

"Further discussion? Further discussion? Mr. Birkinbine to close."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker.. I would ask for an affirmative vote on this Motion to override the arendatcry veto of Bouse Eill 960."

"Question is, Shall the House accept the Governor's specific recommendation for change with respect to House Bill 96C, by the adoption of the Amendment?" This is final action. A.11 those in favcr signify by voting 'aye, those opposed vote no. Voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Motion there are 76 voting 'aye", 33 voting nay", 1 voting present', and this Motion, having received the Constitutional Majority, prevails, and the House accepts the Governor's specific recommendations for change... Ch no, I'm sorry. Wait. It's an override. I'm sorry. To go back a moment. This Eill, having received the Constitutional Majority, prevails, and the House ... and the House overrides the Governor's... the Governor's veto... veto of the Governor notwithstanding. On the Order of Amendatory Vetces appears HoUSE Bill 975. Out of the record. On the Order of Asendatory Veto Motions appears House Bill 1024, Mr. Bice. The Gentleman from Cook, 1024. Do you wish to proceed, Sirî MI. Бісе. The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Rice."

"Make the Motion to accept the amendatory veto as directed by the Governor in the matter of changing the 'local' to 45  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE October 18, 1983 81st Legislative Day "state"."

"Gentleman has moved to accept the Governor's amendatory. And on that Motion, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall the House accept the Governor's specific recommendations for change with respect to House Bill 1024, by the adoption of the Amendment?' This is final action. All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'nay'. Final action. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Motion there are 114 voting 'aye', none voting 'no', none voting 'present'. This Motion, having received the Constitutional Majority, prevails, and the House accepts the Governor's specific recommendations for change regarding House Bill 1024, by the adoption of the Amendment. On the Order of Amendatory Veto Motions appears House Bill 11.... House Bill 1170. Mr. Ronan, the Gentleman from Cook."

"Yeah, Mr. Speaker, with leave of the House - I've just filed a Motion - I want to accept that as opposed to override the amendatory veto. So, if there's no objection, I'd like to move to accept the amendatory veto."

"Does the Gentleman have leave to hear his Motion to accept heard at this time? There being no objection, leave is hereby granted. Mr. Ronan, proceed."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I move to accept the amendatory veto on the specific provisions brought out by the Governor. It's just a technical change. I didn't realize it when it was... when it was filed, and that's why I am accepting it. It was brought to my attention by Representative Mays on the other side of the aisle, and I always like to agree with the Republicans whenever possible."

"We'll just mark time for a moment or so, 46  81st Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENEBAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE October 18, 1983 Representative Ronan. We have some adsinistrative problems here. Yes, Gentleman from DeWitt, Mr. Vinson."

"You're not going to deny Mr. Bonan a Roll Call Motion, are you?"

"Certainly not."

"Okay."

"Goodness, מס no. We're working on some material up here. We'll be right with you, Mr. Vinson. Goodness se. Is there further discussion on House Bill 1170? Any discussion? There being none, the question is, Shall the House accept the Governor's specific recommendation for change with respect to House Fill 1170, by the adoption of the Amendment? This is final action. All those in favor signify by voting 'aye", those opposed vote 'nay". Voting is now open. Okay, Mr. Vinson? Thank you. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? MI. Clerk, take the record. On this Motion there are 113 voting "aye", none voting 'nc", none voting present. The Motion, having received the Constitutional Majority, prevails, and the House accepts the Governor's specific recommendation for change regarding House Bill 1170, by the adoption of the Arendment. On the Order of Amendatory Veto Motions appears House Bill 1179. The Lady from LaSalle, Ms. Breslin. Ms. Breslin. Mr. Clerk, would you turn Ms. Ereslin on?"

"Thank you... Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House... Eouse Bill 1179..."

"Excuse me, Ms. Breslin. Flease give the Lady some order."

"House Bill 1179 is the Bill or one of the Bills that dealt with a mandatory requirement for bigh school graduation in the State of Illinois. The Governor has amended that Bill. Those Amendments are essentially technical. The mathematics requirement is altered to allow 47  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF BEFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE October 18, 1983 81st legislative Day for cne year of study which may be related to computer technology, and the vocational education requirement is added to this as one of  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 81st Legislative Day October 18, 1983 language on line nine, 'in a four-year high school'. I don't know hat the intent of that deletion was, but my concern is that if we put the Bill into effect without specifying a fcur-year high school picgram, are we then expecting that a three-year high school program will have to meet the same qualifications within three years that a four-year high school program would have to meet in four?"

"I was under the... I am under the impression that that is correct, Representative. That is... That... The Governor has never communicated to me about this Bill. However, the statement specifically says he wishes to end the distinction between the three-year and four-year schools and have them... all of the distinctions throughout the School Code be the sare."

"Well, another interpretation, I think, that could come about, with the striking of the language in regard to the four-year and the three-year, leaves us with language that simply says you have to have three years of language arts which doesn't have to be in the high school at all, apparently. And I'm wondering whether we can end up with only three years of language arts throughout the twelve years of our program. I think that technically he may still want it to apply to a high school program; but, in fact, without that language, I think it's very ambiguous, and I would think that perhaps it is not a good recommendation. I wonder if we might take this out of the record and discuss a little further what the impact of that might be."

"That would be perfectly acceptable with me. Out of the record."

"Alright. Then 11... House Eill 1179 will be out of the record. On the Order of Amendatory Veto Motions appears House Bill 1323. Mr. Churchill, proceed." 49  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83BD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 81st Legislative Day October 18, 1983

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 1323 is a Bill that creates a separate dipositional hearing for minors who are before a court, rather than having a hearing as a part of the adjudicatcry process. The Governor amended the Eill; and, at this tire, I would move to override his Amendment."

Speaker Greiman: "The Gentleman moves to override the Governor's amendatory vetc for House Bill 1323. Gn that, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shali the House override the Governor's amendatory veto to House Bill 13233 All in favor signify by voting 'aye", those opposed vcte "no". This is final action. Eave all... Yes, Mr. Bowman, do you wish to explain your vote? Your light is blinking."

"Well, we didn't have an explanation of what it does and why we're moving to override, and that's why I'm voting 'present'."

Mr. Speaker Greiman: "Well... Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Clerk, take the record. Cn this Motion there are 108 voting 'aye, none voting 'no', 2 voting 'present', and the Motion... and this Motion Cn the prevails, the veto of the Governor notwithstanding. Order of... We shall now return to Bepresentative Preslin's Motion ΟΠ House Bill 1179. The Lady from LaSalle, Ms. Ereslin."

"Thank... Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We have looked over the amendatory veto message of the Governor again, and we believe..."

"Yes. MI... Excuse ше. Us. Breslin. Mr. Vinson."

"MI. Speaker, are we really going to go ahead with this Bill at this time? A few minutes ago 1 gct Br. Hoffman out here with his special expertise on education, because he 50  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENEGAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 81st Legislative Day October 18, 1983 wants to speak to this Bill and then the Bill got taken out of the record. NOW, we're back on it. If we're really going to go with it, I'll get him back cut here."

"Well, Ms. Ereslin has suggested that she really wants to go with the Bill, and so I did tell her that I would return to the Bill. And..."

"That's perfectly alright. I just want to make sure we really want to go with it and it's not ancther false start."

"Well, I don't want to disturb Mr. Hoffran, but perhaps.... He's probably having bis tea now. Perhaps be could come out and join us. Thank you. Ms. Breslin..."

"Proceed."

"Thank you. Ms. Breslin, would you proceed?"

"After having reviewed the Governor's amendatory veto of this Bill, WE are convinced that this... the change regarding three-year and four-year schcols deals only with high schools. The requirement that three years of language arts be completed in a high school setting is very clear under the heading for the Section. Sc, we believe that that is not a problem at all. Again, I repeat, this is the Bill that provides a core requirement for a high school diploma in the State of Illinois. The Governor, while he had Some reservations that... that Bepresentative Hoffman expressed previcusly, has amended the Eill and believes that it is a good philosophy for the State of Illincis to have in its School Code. I move to accept the Governor's amendatory veto."

"Lady from LaSalle moves to accept the veto... amendatory veto of the Governor. Is there any discussion? On that, the Gentleman from Marion, Mr. Eriedrich."

"Would the Sponsor of the Motion yield?"

"Indicates that she will." 51  STATE OF IILINCIS 83RD GENEGAL ASSEMELY FOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 81st Legislative Day October 18, 1983

"Im sure I shculd know this, but what are the requirements in the law now for the prerequisite of getting a diploma from high school?"

"At the present time, there are three years of English, one year of... well then there are... The basic requirement is three years of English and then there are a number of other requirements. I don't have that file with me that we went through twice or three times during the earlier Session, but it dealt with consumer sales. It dealt with health education. It dealt with physical education. Those are the other requirements. There are nc requirements for this core education which is provided in this Eill."

"Are they..."

"TWO years of math, one year of science, two years of social studies and a selective electives. Cne year of either a foreign language, music, art ΟΙ, under the Governor's change, vocational education."

"Are... Those are the reguirements being replaced. This will be the whole set of requirements now?"

"This is in addition to the other requirements."

"Alright. Now пу... Three years of language arts. Now, can that be in Spanish or some other language other than English?"

"NO. I believe that is English."

"Well, my analysis here says language arts. English is English to me, and I... language arts could be Spanish or anything else."

"Yes. Those are all English courses, though. Language arts can include a study of Shakespeare, for instance, but it is certainly in the English language."

"Is that spelled out in the Fill?"

"Yeah the... No, but that... I think that is generally understood by educators." 52  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 81st Legislative Day October 18, 1983

"Well, 1 don't know. He talk more and more about Spanish-speaking people and so on. I'm concerned that scre of the students I see that graduate from high school have nc command of the English language. Now, we talk about high tech and all this stuff, but you really can't get an education unless you have command of the English language. And I want to be sure that if I support this we're talking about three years of English."

"e are talking definitely."

"Thank you." about three years of English,

"Further discussion? The Gentleman from DuPage, Mr. Hoffman."

"Thank you very much. Will the Sponsor yield to a question, please?"

"Yes."

"She indicates she will."

"Can you share with this body the number of years or courses that are currently mandated on the schools?"

"I believe that would probatly be difficult to understand, unless you went through the in a very definitive exercise, because SODE cf the Courses, I believe, they are only required to have one week's worth cr an address to a particular kind of historical event so that they aren't whcle-year courses and can't be dealt with all in one lump sum. I know that the COLE courses that are required for a high school diploma are only; number one, three years of English and; nurber two, one year of American history. That is all."

"Is... Is there currently on the books a requirement for four years of physical education?"

"Yes, there is."

"So then, in fact, there is already on the books a 53  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 81st Legislative Day October 18, 1983 requirement for four years of... of physical education. Is there a requirement for consumer education?"

"Yes. I believe that... I don't know that that is a year course, however. I believe it's only a nine week course or something like that."

"Is there a requirement for health education?""

"Ch, yes, there definitely is."

"What is that?"

"I believe, again, one semester must be taken."

"Alright. So, we currently have, on the books beyond these requirements, four and three-quarters years requirements by your own admission. Is that correct?"

"Four and three-quarter years for what?"

"Of requirements. We have four years of physical education, a half a year of health education, and a quarter of a year or nine weeks, I think you said, on ... in consumer education."

"I see. Yes. Yes."

"Okay. And the normal number of... of requirements for graduation is what - 16, 18, 20, or is that up to the high school to decide how many courses, Carnegie units, as we used to call them, you need for graduation?"

"Sixteen is the common requirement. However, high schools can and very often do require more."

"So, with the inclusion of the nine requirements that you have here, three, two, nine and four and a half, that would take us to thirteen and a half which would then allow a student to have, in a minimum situation, two and a half electives. Is that adequate, or is that accurate?"

"I don't believe that that is accurate. Again, I say... I repeat, I don't have my file with me. But when we added it up earlier in the year with the Governor's changes, I believe it's twelve and a quarter or perhaps twelve and 54  81st Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE October 18, 1983 three-quarters with all of the requirements including this Bill."

"Alright..."

"Which mean there would be three..."

"There..."

"I'll tell you... I'll tell you what I... I envisioned, and I don't believe the Governor's amendatory veto has changed it that much. I wanted the Bill drafted so that a core curriculum could be or would be required for graduation from a high school in the State of Illinois and still provide at least one year of electives for each student each year. And I believe that is still achieved through the Governor's amendatory change. You see,..."

"Alright. Okay. Fine. Thank you very much. I think if you look at the veto analysis, you... or the amendatcry veto, you see that there are nine requirements here. If you just took the four years of physical education, which is already in place and which we've been unable, as a legislative Body, to address the... the validity of this current requirement, we are already looking at thirteen. That's... That's simple... simple mathematics. And I would suggest to the Body here that we have a great variety of students in this state with a great variety of needs, and I'm inclined to believe that local school districts and their school boards, who now have the authority to make this policy, are in a better position than we are to make it. As our resources have dwindled and as our ability to support education from a state level has dwindled, it would appear that in many ways our desire to direct local school boards how to spend their limited resources has escalated absolutely in reverse, in terms of our ability and willingness to support this responsibility. And it's for that reason and that reason alone, Ladies and Gentlemen, 55  81st Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE October 18, 1983 not that I don't think there is value in these programs, that I rise in opposition to the acceptance of this veto, as I rose in opposition to the Eill, He have such a diverse population out there that what you're going to do is you're going to make a farce cut of these kinds of requirements, because there's an assumption on the part of a lot of you who aren't involved in the educational community that somehow there's an absolute standard out here in these areas. I've got news for you there is not, because you don't have any standard absolute standard of a student population. And for that reason, Mr. Speaker and Madam Sponsor, whose intentions I know are nothing but good, I rise in opposition to this Motion."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Rice."

"Does the speaker yield?"

"Yes."

"Or the Sponsor yield. EXCUSE ΠΕ."

"Yes."

"Are we... In this Bill, are you attempting to make the high school requirements throughout the State of Illincis competitive?"

"To make them what?"

"Competitive?"

"Competitive. Yes."

"In terus... In taros of three years of English, three Breslin: years of math, three years of science." "We don't have nearly that ruch in here, Representative. I wish that were the case, but the... these are much ΠΟΙΕ modest requirements. There is only two years of math, one year of science and two years of social studies, as opposed to the three years. This is merely a beginning. It is nowhere near what the... the national recommendations were, Bepresentative." 56  STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENEBAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 81st Legislative Day October 18, 1983

"I want to ask one other question, if I may."

"Yes."

"If I'.... If I graduated from the elementary school and I was below par in the English, will you count the social studies towards my requirements? In other words, if I got to go in and take remedial English, remedial math cr remedial social services..."

"Oh, surely. Oh, surely."

"... would they be counted towards the two years or three years?"

"Oh, absolutely they would be."

"Okay."

"Yes."

"I certainly rise in support of that, if that's the case."

"Lady from Sangamon, Mrs. Oblinger."

"Mr. Speaker and Members of the General Assembly, I stand in support of this Bill. In reference to what one of the latter speakers just said - that we were making a farce out of education, I do not believe this is true. He said the local districts know what their students need. They may know what they need, but they don't go ahead and provide that need, and I'm going to give an example of a town right here in Sangamon County where the superintendent and the principal called the parents together and said, 'We're getting rid of all our substantive courses, because your children aren't taking it.' And you know what the parents said? 'We don't care, just so they get the diploma. We don't care if they can read, write or do arithmetic.' So, somebody has to take care of those children. And if the local school districts and the parents can't, maybe we'd better assume that responsibility. I do not think that's making a farce out of education. I think it's making substantive believers of 57  STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 81st Legislative Day all of us."

Speaker Greiman: "Further discussion? discussion? October 18, 1983 Is there further Iady from LaSalle to close, briefly."

"I... I move to accept the Governor's amendatory changes in House Eill 1179."

"The question is, 'Shall the House accept the Governor's specific recommendations for change with respect to House Bill 1179, by the adoption of the Amendment?' This is final action. All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Motion there are 105 voting 'aye', 8 voting 'no', 1 voting 'present', and this Motion, having received the Constitutional Majority, prevails. And the House accepts the Governor's specific recommendations for change regarding House Bill 1179 by the adoption of the Amendment. On the Order of Amendatory Veto Motions appears House Bill 1386. Peterson? Gentleman from Lake, Mr. Peterson. Mr. Peterson, I think you're turned on now. Go ahead."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I move to accept the Governor's amendatory veto of House Bill 1386. This Bill deals with the residency requirements of school board members in various types of school districts. It also extends the terms of office when there is a consolidation of school districts to make sure there's continuity by board members in those particular districts. The Amendment on this Bill that was put on in the Senate had to do with the superintendent waiving tenure rights if he takes a multi-year contract, and the Governor amended that out of the Bill. And I agree with that amendatory veto and so wish this House to sustain the veto. Thank you." 58  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 81st Legislative Day October 18, 1983

"And on that Motion, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall the House accept the Governor's specific recommendation for change with respect to House Bill 1386, by the adoption of the Amendment?' This is final action. All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'nay'. Voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Motion there are 109 voting 'aye', 1 voting 'no', none voting 'present', and this Motion, having received the Constitutional Majority, prevails. And the House accepts the Governor's specific recommendations for change regarding House Bill 1386 by the adoption of the Amendment. On the Order of Amendatory Veto Motions appears House Bill 1388. The Gentleman from St. Clair, Mr. Flinn."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I move that we accept the Governor's amendatory change in House Bill 1388. All it does is change some description of some property which was erroneous in the original Bill, either that or in the printing, one, and I'm not sure which. But at least the Governor has corrected that, and that's all that it does. And so I move for the acceptance of the Governor's change."

"On that Motion, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall the House accept the Governor's specific recommendations for change with respect to House Bill 1368, by the adoption of the Amendment?' This is final action. All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'nay'. Voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Motion there are 112 voting 'aye', none voting 'no', 1 voting 'present', and this Motion, having received the Constitutional Majority, 59  81st Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE October 18, 1983 prevails. And the House accepts the Governor's specific recommendations for change regarding Ecuse Bill 1388- Cn the Order of Amendatory Veto Motions appears House Bill 1599. Mr. Federson? Mr. Federson? Proceed."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I move to approve the vetc... the amendatory veto of the Governor. All it does is take the day care provisions out of the Bill that are identical to those in Senate Bill 1232, which the Governor has signed. And, therefore, these provisions are not necessary. So, I just move to... to concur with the veto."

"And on that Motion, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall the House accept the Governor's specific recommendations for change with respect to House Bill 1599, by the adoption of the Amendment?' Final action. All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'nay'. Voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Motion there are 113 voting 'aye', none voting 'no', none voting 'present', and this Motion, having received the Constitutional Majority, prevails. And the House accepts the Governor's specific recommendations for change regarding House Bill 1599 by the adoption of the Amendment. On the Order of Amendatory Veto Motions appears House Bill 1667. The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Keane. That's out of the record then. We're going to take that 1667 out of the record, Mr. Keane. We are now changing the Order of Business. On page 21 of the Calendar appears Motions. And on that Order appears House Bill 541 to take from the Table. The Gentleman from DuPage, Mr. Daniels. Mr. Daniels with us? Mr. Vinson, are you going to take that?"

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the 60  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENEBAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 81st Legislative Day October 18, 1983 House. House Bill 541 is a supplemental appropriation vehicle which, if we move to the floor at this time, we can use for the purpose of addressing the various supplemental appropriations that will be necessary to address in the course of the... of the Veto Session. Everybody will have their opportunity to make their feelings beard, to voice their viewpoints on this particular... on this particular matter. I believe that the Membership will find that in the case of a number of agencies, various sources of federal money have become available that were not available in the spring. I believe the Membership will find that action of the General Assembly last year, that various court decisions have placed us in a situation where certain appropriations have to be made for things of the nature of tax refunds and things of that matter. As 1 say, each one of these matters will have the opportunity for full and open discussion by the Hembership, and I would ask that the House do now approve the Motion in regard to Eouse Eill 541 and bring this Bill to the floor."

"Gentleman from Cock, Mr. Leverenz."

"I agree with the Gentleman on the other side of the aisle."

"Alright. Is there further discussion? There being none... Bear with us fcr a moment, Mr. Vinscn. Okay. Further discussion? There being nane, the guestion is, 'Shall the Motion to take House Bill 541 from the Table prevail? All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'nay'. Voting is DCW open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. Mr. Leverenz, did you want to... Alright. Cn this Motion there are 109 voting "aye, 2 voting 'no', 3 voting 'present', and this Hotion prevails. OD the Order of Motions appears House Eill 556. The Gentleman from 61  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 81st Legislative Day October 18, 1983 DuPage, Mr. Hoffman. Mr. Vinson, you're going to take that? Mr. Vinson, the Gentleman frca DeWitt."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. It is my understanding that House Bill 556 would be similarly used as a vehicle for resolving a particular problem that the Comptroller currently has in regard to the payment of certain expenses and that it would be used for that fashion. And, again, the subject matter would be fully debated when the Bill comes to Second Reading."

"Gentleman from Cock, MI. Leverenz."

"Is this the Sponsor of the Bill?"

"Mr. Vinson, do you want to respond to that?"

"I have been asked to handle this by the Sponsor."

"Does the Chair have a letter from the Sponsor? I understand it's on its way up. Thank you."

"Thank you for answering the question, Mr. Leverenz. I appreciate that. Is there any discussion on the Motion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall the Motion to take Sen... to take House Bill 556 from the Table prevail? All those in favor signify by voting 'aye, those opposed vote 'no". Voting is DOW open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted sho wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Motion there are 107 voting aye', 1 voting 'no', 3 voting present, and the Motion, therefore, prevails. On the Order of Motions appears House Fill 720. Gentleman from Cook, Mr. O'Connell."

"Hr. Speaker, thank you. House Bill 720 is the prenotification of abortion Bill. It was similar to a Senate Bill that was passed out and sent to the Governor. House Bill 720 will, if taken from the Table, be amended to inccrforate several court cases to make the final version of the Prenotification of Abortion Act in conformance with the current state of the law. For that reason, we would be 62  81st Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE October 18, 1983 making the Motion to take from the Table."

"Is there any discussion on the Motion? Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Bowman."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I rise to oppose this Motion. I fail to see the urgency for dealing with it in this very short Session. This is an extremely difficult and complicated issue, and I think that it is ill-timed and ill-advised. And I urge the House to reject the Motion."

"Further discussion? Is there further discussion on this? There being none, the question is, 'Shall the Motion to take House Bill 720 from the Table prevail?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Motion there are 91 voting 'aye', 19 voting 'no', 1 voting 'present', and this Motion prevails. On the Order of House... of Mot... House Bills, Motions appears House Bill 963. The Gentleman from Lake, Mr. Matijevich."

"Mr. Speaker, Members of the House, House Bill 963, when we left the Regular Session, was in the position of a Conference Committee vehicle Bill for the consolidation of alcoholism and drug abuse. We have created, by this Legislature, both a House and Senate Joint Committee to implement the consolidation of alcoholism and drug abuse. We. The Governor has also appointed a Transition Task Force. The special Committee has met about a half a dozen times, as late as this morning, on this issue, and we are developing, I think, some salutary legislation which can be concluded by the first week of November. For that reason, we are taking 963 from the Table so we can have that vehicle Bill in position. And I would ask and urge 63  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 81st Legislative Day October 18, 1983 bipartisan support, which we have had all along on this Bill."

"Is there any discussion on the Motion? The Gentleman from Vermilion, Mr. Stuffle."

"Mr. Speaker and Members, I know the effort that Representative Matijevich is trying to put forth here. Representative Woodyard and I provided the Members with a memorandum this week with regard to this Bill. I have somewhat mixed emotions about it coming out. I'm opposed to what I've seen so far because of the cost considerations of what's been advanced to date and the fear of the loss of services at the local level that's been expressed, I know, to many people in this chamber by local people involved in the programs that would be affected by the potential Conference Committee Report, a Report that is put on a Bill that Representative Matijevich and I happen to be the Sponsors of. And I want it on the record that I'm opposed to this Motion. I know John's intentions are good. I know the concept of the Bill and what he's trying to; but, frankly, I think, at this point, that we ought not to put this Bill out on the floor. The agreement is not struck. The agreements that have been advanced to date, or the attempted agreements, I don't think meet the challenge of being fiscally responsible, nor of ensuring the provision... the programs and services will be continued in the communities as they ought to be or the people will not fall between the cracks and fail to get services. For those reasons, I think we should hold this particular Bill at this time, not move it out until we have some agreement or some assurances that all the parties have been satisfied, if they can be, and pursue an effort to reach an accommodation between the affected parties with regard to the provision of services on alcoholism and drug abuse. 64  81st Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENEGAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEEATE Octcber 18, 1983 And for that reason, I regrettably rise and suggest that a vote of 'no' on this Motion is the appropriate one."

"Let the record show that Representative Fullen, the Lady from Cock, has requested to be shown on the guorum call, was not on the original gucrum call, and she will be so instr... She was excused earlier. Alright. She is now in the chamber. Further discussion? The Gentleman from Edgar, Mr. Woodyard."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I, also, rise in opposition to the Gentleman's Hotion to ΓΕΜΟΝΕ this Bill from the Table. I don't know whether you all heard what this Bill is intended to do or not. As John certainly indicated, this is a vehicle Bill. This is a Fill that will implement what we passed during the last Session, 670, which is a creation of a brand new agency and department on drug/alcohol abuse. I personally feel that the roughly five million dollars that we're going to be spending at a time, a budgetary time, like today, when our leadership certainly indicated to us that we must hold the line on spending is not the proper thing for us to do at this time. I also feel that we will have a lapse and maybe a lapse of up to a year, a year and a half, in being able to provide the types of services that the Department of Mental Health is doing to date within that drug/alcohol abuse program. I just think it's a bad move on our fart to be creating a new department at this time of... in our state's history."

"The Gentleman from Dewitt, Br. Vinson."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. The Legislature now finds itself in the position that it has adopted substantive legislation which combines these two agencies. We passed that Eill, and it's been signed by the Governor. What we have not done is to, in detail, write the legislation that would say how these two 65  STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 81st Legislative Day October 18, 1983 agencies are going to be integrated. All they've done... All we've done is to draw them together under an umbrella. If we fail to act at this time and to create a vehicle for acting so that substantive legislation which says how these two functions shall be drawn together, are drawn together, if we fail to do that, then we're in the position where the Governor can entirely do it by Executive Order, and the Legislature will have totally abdicated its responsibility in this field. This is not a Bill to spend money. It will not be used for that purpose. This is a Eill to simply say how we're going to relate two functions together.. That money has already been appropriated, and that money will already be expended. And the Governor can do it in any fashion be wants, unless the Legislature acts to enforce its will as to how that money can be expended and to how those two functions can be drawn together. In other words, what Ve are doing is asserting legislative prerogative by moving this vehicle to a posture where Se can impose our will in regard to that function. If we fail to do that, the Governor downstairs can do whatever he wants in this particular field.. And for that reason, I certainly rise with Mr. Matijevich to join with him in urging adoption of his Motion."

"Further discussion? Further discussion of the Motion? There being none, Mr. Matijevich to close."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I've attended, as Co-Chairman of this special Committee, all of the meetings, and let me tell you that the only opposition is coming really out of some fears which I think are really unfounded. And I said in today's Committee meeting, for example, that I introduced the first Bill in this Legislature on alcoholism; and, as long as I'm going to be in the Legislature, the people in the field on alcoholism 66  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF BEPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIFTION DEBATE 81st Legislative Day October 18, 1983 need not fear at all that, in the appropriation process, the alcoholist... those who suffer from alcohclism are going to be treated. Those who suffer from drug abuse are going to be treated. This Bill that we are developing will put us in the 20th Century with cther states OD a consolidation of those treatment services. And I would urge all the Members to join with me and Sam Vinson with an 'aye vote to take this Fill from the Takle so we can develop that vehicle, and I appreciate your support."

"Question is, 'Shall the Motion to take House Bill 963 frC the Table prevail? All those in favor signify by voting 'aye, those opposed vcte 'no'. Voting is Dow open. Have all vcted who wish? Have all voted sho wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. Св this Motion there are 8.3 voting 'aye', 27 voting "nc, 2 voting present', and the Motion prevails. On the Order cf Motions appears House Bill 1031, Mr. Taylor. Mr. Taylor in the chamber? Take that out of the record. On the Order of Motions appears House Bill 1205. Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Yourell. Yes. Mr. Ebbesen *no On the preceding 963. Is that right? Mr. Yourell, proceed, Sir."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I make the Motion to remove fros the Table relative to House Bill 1205 with the thought in wind that it deals only with the salary, minimum/maximum salaries for the State Board of Elections. As you know, this Bill also deals with placing the State Board of Elections under the Personnel Code of the State of Illincis. Now, what we're attempting tc do with this legislation is allow this General Assembly to raise the minimum and maxisum salary of the Executive Director by 8,000 dollars. The minimum пои is 22,000 with a maximum of 40. And what the legislation will do, besides... aside from placing the State Board 67  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENEGAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 81st Legislative Day Octcber 18, 1983 under the Personnel Code, is to raise those minimum/maximum salaries by 8,00C. Happy to answer any questions."

"Are there any... Is there any discussion on the Motion? Discussion on the Motion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall the Motion to take House Bill 1205 from the Table prevail?' All in favor signify by voting aye, those opposed vote "no". Voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, you may take the record. On this Action there are 95 voting 'aye', 14 voting 'no', 2 voting 'present', and the Motion prevails. Co the Order of Motions appears House Bill 1613. The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Capparelli."

"Иг. Speaker, the Amendment for this Motion is not prepared yet, and it's been downstairs for three hours. I would just like to move it to Third Beading and hold it there until the Amendment is ready toucIIOW."

"Well, Mr. Capparelli, you have to rove to take it off the Table..."

"1"11 move to take it off the Table."

"When it comes off, which is what your Motion is, when it comes off the Table, it will be wherever it was befcre. It was on Third Reading."

"Right."

"Sc, tomorrow you will have to bring it back then to Second Reading. Yes."

"So, I would move to take from the Table House Bill 16 13."

"Is there any discussion on that Motion? Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Cullerton. There being none, the question is, 'Shall the Motice to take House Eill 1613 from the Table pre...... Yes. Mr. Mautinc."

"Will the Gentleman yield for a question?"

"Indicates he will." 68  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 81st Legislative Day

October 18, 1983 "Representative Capparelli, this amends the Illinois Housing Development Act authorizing, in its current form, additional loans. You're saying you're going to hold this Bill on Third Reading if it comes out. My concern is the boondoggle that was previously presented by this agency for home loans that had no restrictions or guidelines. It is the same subject matter?"

"No, it will not be. We're... What we're going to do is remove the August deadline for municipalities to voluntarily exceed their single-family mortgage authority to the Illinois Housing Authority. The Bill will be completely different."

"Will there be any guidelines on who would be eligible for..."

"Yes, there will be. There... The guidelines will be showing that there will be a lottery."

"It will be a lottery rather than setting aside 60 to 80 percent of the funds so that the citizens can't get a shot at it. Is that..."

"That's right. Right."

"Alright."

"Further discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall the Motion to take House Bill 1613 from the Table prevail?' All in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'nay'. Voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Motion there are 94 voting 'aye', 17 voting 'no', 5 voting 'present', and the Motion prevails and will appear at the Order of Third Reading on the Calendar. On the Order of Motions appears House Bill 1982. Gentleman from Macon, Mr. Tate. Mr. Tate, do you wish to proceed? Yes, Mr. Vinson, the Gentleman from DeWitt." 69  81st Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENEBAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE October 18, 1983

"Would you take this out of the record at this time for a minute, Sir?"

"Mr. Tate, take it out of the record? Alright. We'll take this out of the record. On the Order of Motions appears Senate ... House Bill 2014. Gentleman from Cock, Mr. Yourell."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, House Eill 2014 is a Bill that deals only with the selection of delegates and alternate delegates to the National Nominażing Convention and is in compliance with the recommendations of the Democratic National Committee. There vas some debate during the discussion on Third Reading relative to how this would affect the Republican selection of delegates and alternate delegates; and, at that time, I thought I assured everybody that it would only affect the system by which Democratic delegates and alternate te delegates wou. would be elected. As you know, the conventions are nigh onto happening, and it's time that We passed this legislation and got it on the floor so that we can comply with the provisions of the... and recommendations of the Democratic National Committee. This Bill received considerable debate and several votes when it was passed on Third Reading, and I ask that you concur with my Motion to remove from the Table cn Ecuse Bill 2014."

"Gentleman from Lee, Mr. Olson." 0lson: "Will... Will the Sponsor yield?"

"He indicates that he will." Yourell; "Yes." 0lson: "Representative Yourell, as I see it, House Eill 2014 was a companion to Senate Eill 1277 which is now a Public Act 83-0032. Why do we need 2014?"

"That's correct. What we're attempting to do with this is get an election Bill on the Ficuse floor sc that we can 70  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 81st Legislative Day October 18, 1983 use it for other purposes, and I would hope that you would concur with that idea."

"Mr. Yourell, may I quote you from House Committee... Conference Committee Report #12 "The purpose of this Bill is to resurrect Mike Lavell's boss bonus Bill, 1234, to have registrars of elections be paid bonuses to register voters, strike voters and to do other things'. I have a copy of the Conference Committee Report here. This is a shell Bill, Sir."

"That's what it was June 30th, but that's not what it is today."

"What are you seeking to do with it today?"

"I have no idea. We're trying to get this Bill on the House floor so that there will be a vehicle ready to act on should we have need of one."

"Thank you. May I speak to the Bill, Mr. Speaker?"

"Proceed, Mr. Olson."

"I'd recommend, on behalf of the Republican side of the aisle, because we've already discussed 1234 extensively and because this appears to be an attempt to create a vehicle to pass a Bill which failed miserably, that we vote 'no' on this Motion."

"The Lady from Cook, Ms. Alexander."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Was this Bill in Committee?"

"Yes, Ma'am. Was it in Committee? Is that your question?"

"Yes."

"Yes."

"It was in Committee."

"Yes. It came out on Third Reading. It passed out of this House with a vote of 92 'aye' votes."

"Alright. Thank you." 71  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF BEFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE October 18, 1983 81st Legislative Day

"Further... Further discussion? Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Yourell, to close. Mr. Yourell to close."

"Yes, all this Bill does, if we concur in the Motion, is to have it ready for any changes that the DNC might bring to US, and it will only be used for the selection process of delegates and alternate delegates to the Democratic National Convention. That's all it does. That's what I indicated to you originally, and I'm aware of the Senate Bill that is already law. And all we want to do is have this Bill ready should any changes come forth from the Democratic National Committee."

"Question is, 'Shall the Motion to take House Bill 2014 from the Table prevail? All those in favor signify by voting 'aye, those opposed vote 'nay. Voting is now open. To explain his vote, the Gentleman from DeWitt, Mr. Vinson. Mr. Vinson."

"Inquiry of the Chair, Mr. Speaker. How many votes is necessary for passage of this Motion?"

"It takes 71 votes, Mr. Vinson."

"Thank you."

"It has 49 now. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk... Yes, Mr. Yourell."

"Just briefly, Mr. Speaker. I really am sorry that there seems to be some difficulty with the vote on the board. As I indicated to all of the Members, that's the only thing this Bill will be used for should it prevail in the Motion to take from the Table. All this is going to do is provide a vehicle in case there's some changes from the DNC so that the Democrats who want to run for alternate... delegates or alternate delegates will have the opportunity to do so. That's all this Bill will provide for, and I can give you my assurance that nothing else will happen to this Bill. If it does, I'll table it." 72  STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENEBAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 81st Legislative Day

Curran: wish? "Bave all voted who wish? October 18, 1983 Have all voted whc Well, Br. Clerk, take the record. On this Motion there are 55 voting 'aye', 58 voting Ece, none seen voting *present', and the Motion fails. On the Grder of Motions appears Senate Bill 1206. Gentleman from Sangamon, Mr. Curran. Kr. Curţan. Froceed, Mr. Curran." "Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Senate Bill 1206 is a Bill which deals with the Fublic aid fraud. One moment, Mr. Speaker. It requires that any person who commits recipient fraud to forfeit any money that they have acquired as a rssult of that fraud. It also establishes methods for distributing the proceeds of that acquisition as to whether it goes to the state or local government. favorable Roll Call." I

DOVE for a Speaker Greiman: "And on that Motion, is there any discussion? There being none the question is, 'Shall Any discussion? Senate Bill 120... Shall the Action to take Senate Bill 1206 on the fable prevail?" All those in favor signify by voting aye', those opposed open. Have all voted who wish? Mr. vote 'nay'. Voting is now Have all voted who wish? Clerk, take the record. On this Mction, there are 106 voting 'aye, none voting "no, 1 voting present', and the Motion prevails. And Senate Bill 1206 will be on the Order of Third Reading. On the Order of Motions appears House Bill 1982. take that Representative Capparelli, are you going to Representative Tate? Representative ΟΙ Capparelli. Would you... You SeeD to be cn. Proceed. Yes, Mr. Capparelli, would you like to turn him on?" Capparelli: Speaker "I've got it. I move to... for Ecuse Eill 1982 be taken from the Table. This is a possible vehicle for the expansion of McCormick Works if negotiations work through. Thank you."

"On the Motion, is there any discussion? There 73  STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF BEFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 81st Legislative Day October 18, 1983 being none, the question is, Shall the Motion το take House Bill 1613 from the table prevail?" All those in favor... I'm sorry. I'm sorry, 1962... to take House Bill 1982 from the table prevail? Yes, Miss Braun, you had a question?"

"Yes, a question of the Sponsor. Did you say that... for... this is the McCormick Flace Eill?"

"Yes."

"Okay, thank you."

"Well, I will state... I'll put the question. The question is, Shall the Motion to take House Bill 1982 from the table prevail?" All those in favor signify by voting 'aye, those opposed vote 'nay". The voting is Dow open. Have all voted who wish? Eave all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Mction, there are 88 voting aye, 21 voting nay, 4 voting "present", and the Motion prevails. And the Bill will be OD the Crder of Third Reading, Short Debate. MI Clerk, are there any further Motions? Yes, Mr. Clerk, would you read the first two Motions?"

"Motion Pursuant tc Fule 77 (a). 'I move to discharge the Committee on Judiciary and place the Bill cn Second Reading, Second Legislative Day. By Representative Jack Davis."

"The Gentleman from Will, MI. Davis. A Motion on... on House... Senate Bill... I think that's... Senate Bill 546."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, Senate Bill 546, 1 think both sides have been talked to - is intended as a vehicle fcr Corrections this Spring, and inadvertently was posted yesterday for Judiciary Committee. And due to meetings that were taking place surrounding the subject, I was unable to be there. Therefore, I acve to discharge the 74  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 81st Legislative Day October 18, 1983 Judiciary Committee, and advance the Bill to Second Reading, First Legislative Day."

"Further discussion? Is there any discussion on the Bill? Alright, the question is, Shall the Motion to discharge the Committee... the Judiciary Committee on further consideration of Senate Bill 546... yes, Mr. Cullerton."

"The board. Wrong number."

"Mr. Clerk, would you wipe the board? Clean. The question is, 'Shall the Motion to discharge the Judiciary Committee from further consideration of Senate Bill 546 prevail?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'nay'. 71 votes required. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Motion, there are 105 voting 'aye', 1 voting 'no', none voting 'present'. The Motion prevails. Are there any further Motions?"

"A Motion on Senate Bill 668, pursuant to Rule 74 (a). I move to take Senate Bill 668 from the table. Representative Larry Hicks."

"Alright, Gentleman from Jefferson, Mr. Hicks."

"... Gentlemen of the House, I'd move to suspend Rule 74 (a) and ask for immediate consideration of Senate Bill 668."

"Yes, Mr. Dunn, did you have an inquiry? The Gentleman from Macon, Mr. Dunn. Excuse me, Mr. Hicks."

"We haven't been able to find this Bill or the last one on the Calendar. Where are we on the Calendar?"

"These were Motions that have been filed during the proceedings today, and they take 71 votes to be heard as well. I'm sorry. Mr. Hicks, would you proceed?"

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, I... I move for immediate consideration on the Bill... on the Motion, excuse me... to take the Bill 75  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSENELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 81st Legislative Day October 18, 1983 from the table."

"Ckay, Gentleman moves to suspend the appropriate rule for hearing on Senate Eill 668. All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed... well, Miss... the Lady from Dupage, Miss Nelson, yes."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, may I ask a question of the Sponsor?"

"I'm sorry. Indeed, you may."

"Thank you."

"Now, this is on the Motion. Excuse me for one... this is on the Motion tc allow his Motion to be heard. In other words, we have to move first to have his Motion be... to take from the table be heard because it's not on the Calendar."

"I withdraw my request. I'd like to wait one round."

"So he will... he will... you'll get another shot in a minute for him, okay? Alright. Yes, Gentleman from DeWitt, Mr. Vinson."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I rise in support of the Gentleman's Motion in this case because I think it is very important that the House bring these Bills to a posture where the Members can see them and think about them for a little bit of time before voting on them. Voting against this Motion or the next Motion would be to put us in a position where we had to act very quickly in the waning hours of this week, and where the House would not have the opportunity to give some rational thought to the problem at hand. By giving the Gentleman consideration at this point, and on this next Motion, we will have the chance to reflect on these things in a calm fashion. And so, I would rise in support of the Motion."

"Gentleman has moved to suspend the... rule 74 (a) with respect to Senate Bill 668. All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'nay'. Voting 76  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 81st Legislative Day Octcber 18, 1983 is now open. 71 votes required. Bave all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. Cn this Motion, there are 111 voting 'aye, 1 voting 'no", 1 voting present', and the Motion prevails. Now, Mr. Hicks, on your Motion to take from the table. On Senate Eill 668, Gentleman from Jefferson, Mr. Hicks."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, SO BOVE tc take from the table, please."

"And now, Miss... Miss Nelson."

"Thank you, MI Speaker. I had a question of the Sponsor."

"Yes, Ma'am, go ahead."

"Proceed.."

"If you would just briefly explain why you wish to do this, Bepresentative Bicks."

"Yes, Ma'am. There is an appropriation in place for a problem that arose from the... certain school districts across the state that failed to come up with the gualifying for the current aid formula."

"To the Bill... or to the Motion, Br. Speaker. I do support this Motion. Hould urge people on this side of the aisle to vote for it."

"Further discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall Senate Bill 668... Motion in respect to Senate Bill 668 taken from the table prevail?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'nay". Voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. GD this Motion, there are 110 voting 'aye", 1 voting 'no', O voting. *present, and the Motion prevails. Mr. Clerk, further Motions?"

"A Cction on Senate Bill 1153 by Bepresentative Cullerton. 'Fursuant to Rule 74 (a), I move to take Senate 77  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 81st legislative Day Bill 1153 from the Table.""

"With respect tc... to Senate Eill 668, that Bill will be on the Order of Second Reading, First Legislative Day. Mr. Bicks."

"Mr. Speaker, that's on a Conference Committee."

"It is on a Conference Committee Report, right. It's been pointed out up here. Thank ycu. Mr. Vinson."

"日 "What is the posture now? Reve got a Conference Committee on Second Reading?"

"NO, no. We had a ncte here that that was on the Order of Second Reading First Legislative Day, but apparently it's a Conference Committee. The print-out indicates it's in Conference Committee. So it will be where it was when it was... when we concluded our business last summer."

"So it will appear in the Order of Conference Committee Beport?"

Speaker Greiman: "Conference Committee, that's correct. Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Cullerton."

"Yes, thank you, or. Speaker and ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This is Senate Bill 1153. It is also in the posture of a Conference Committee. My Ection is to suspend Rule 74 (a) so that I can then cve to take the Bill from the table."

"Gentleman has moved to suspend Bule 74 (a) with respect to Senate Bill 1153. All those in favor signify by voting 'aye", those ofpcsed vcte 'nay". Voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. Cn this Motion, there are 77 vcting 'aye, 31 voting "no", vating 'present', and the Motion prevails. Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Cullerton on Senate Fill 1153,"

4 Cullerton: "Yes, thank you, Nr. Speaker and ladies and Gentlemen 78  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF BEFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 81st Legislative Day October 18, 1983 of the House. I would move to take fro the Table Senate Bill 1153. The Bill is now in Conference Committee. I can tell the Nembers of the House that the purpose of taking this from the Table would be to have a Conference Committee available so that we could adopt House Axendment #9 which would be the cnly thing that would be in the Conference Committee providing... authorizing twc junior law clerks for the Supreme Court. None of the other portions of the Bill would be included in the Conference Committee. So I would move that we take Senate Bill 1153 frce the Table."

"Is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall the Motion to take Senate Bill 1153 from the Table prevail? All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vcte *nay. Voting is DCW open. Have all voted who wish? Gave all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the... Have all voted who wish? MI. Vinson, yes."

"Does this require 71 votes?"

"Yes, this requires 71 votes, Mr. Vinson."

"Well thes, Mr. Speaker, I would like to explain my vote on this matter.."

"Alright, Mr. Vinson. Proceed."

"I would urge people to vote yes CD this particular Motion, which is not a vote OD the substance of any Conference Committee Report. What this will do, will enable us to bring a Conference Ccamittee Report tc a posture early in the Session... early in the Veto Session SO that Members will have the opportunity to have the Conference Committee Report co their desks and to fully survey the substance of Conference Committee heports before they cast a vote on the substance. I believe if we don't do that, we may find ourself in the posture of voting cn these things very quickly and not knowing what's in them. 79  STATE OF ILIINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF BEPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 81st Legislative Day October 18, 1983 And by casting a green vote on this and putting this Bill in a good posture at this time, which is not a substantive vote, but a procedural vote, we can get to the point of quickly acting on these things."

"The Gentleman from Cock, Mr. Cullerton. Okay. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Motion, there are 75 voting 'aye', 38 voting 'no', 1 voting 'present', and the Motion prevails. Are there any further Motions, Mr. Clerk?"

"Motions relating to House Resolutions and House Joint Resolutions."

"Ch, these are the Motions on the...on the Calendar."

"Motions on the Calendar."

"On the Order of Motions appears House Resolution 390. Mr. Giorgi. Well, we'll just take that out of the record for a moment. He was just here. On the Order of House Joint Resolution 68 appears... On the Order of Motions. Representative Breslin, the Lady from LaSalle."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen, this is a Joint Resolution which names a bridge in my district, the Streator Veterans' Memorial Fridge. The only reason it was not put on the Agreed Bill Resolution, I believe, was because it was not a Congratulatory Resolution or a Death Resolution. It is not a matter of controversy either in my district or in this Assembly. I know of no opposition, and I would appreciate it being moved to the Speaker's Table for immediate consideration."

"Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Cullerton."

"Will the Lady yield for a question?"

"She indicates she will." 80  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF BEFBESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 81st Legislative Day

"Are you sure?"

"If it's a short question." October 18, 1983

"The name of the bridge would be the StreatoΙ Veteran's Memorial Bridge?"

"That is correct. Very nonpartisan."

"Are there... If NE adopt... If не adopt this Resolution, would we be kind of ruling out other names for the bridge?"

"That's right. They couldn't nane it Representative Ereslin Bridge."

"How about former Representative Hoxsey? We could honor her at a service by naming this bridge after her."

"They couldn't name it that either, Representative."

"Well, are you sure that the... the people in Streator want the name to be the Veterans Memorial Bridge?"

"Senator Welch and myself have been asked to do this by the City Council of Streator."

"Mayor Frank "Lux"?"

"Correct."

"Alright, okay."

"Further discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall the Hotion to bypass Committee and place HJB 68 on the Speaker's Tatle for inmediate consideration prevail?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vcte 'cay'. Voting is now орев. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. Cn this action, there are 110 voting 'aye, none voting 'nc', 1 voting 'present', and the Motion prevails. Now, on the Speaker's Table appears HJR 68. The Lady from LaSalle, Ms. Preslin."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen. Now, I would move to ask you to pass this Resolution that nares the new bridge in Streator the Streatcr Veterans' Memorial 81  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENEBAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF BEPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 81st legislative Day October 18, 1983 Bridge. It is the request of the City Council, and I repeat, I do not believe it to be controversial either in the community or in the Assembly."

"The Gentleman from Cock, Mr. Leverenz." Leveren2: "The Lady yield?"

"She indicates she will."

"In what town is the bridge?"

"The town is in the City of Streatcr."

"Could... Would it be more appropriate to nare this after the recent... the late Mayor of Streator?"

"It might be more appropriate, however, the late Mayor and the City Council have requested this."

"Thank you."

"Hard to turn down a reguest from beyond. Is there further discussion? Further discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall the Ecuse adopt EJR 687' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye, those opposed vote *nay. Voting is now open. Rave all vcted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. Cn this Resolution, there are 111 voting 'aye, none voting 'no', 2 voting 'present', and the Resolution is adopted. On the Order of Motions appears House Resolution 390. The Gentleman from Winnebago, Mr. Giorgi."

"Mr. Speaker, House Besclution 390 was introduced back in May or June, and the Committee was going to meet tomorrow, but they have decided not to reet. So I'd like to move for the immediate adoption of House Besclution 390. And what it does is because of the large... the great number of contaminants in the water in cities, villages and towns throughout the state, and because there is DO state standards for water οι for the contamination count of water, I'd like to create a task force with the Department of Public Health and the Environmental Frotection Agency to 82  STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION СЕБАТЕ 81st Legislative Day Octcber 18, 1983 study the problem of polluting the bater throughout the entire state water table so that we could have ODE central body and one central regulatory agency to do something about it. Urge the adoption of the Resclution."

"Is there any discussion on the Motion? Yes, Lady from Marshall, Miss Koehler."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Would the Sponsor please yield for a guestion?"

"Indicates that he will."

"Representative Giorgi, perhaps you could enlighten us as to the reason for this particular Resolution."

"Well, studies have shown that there are a lot of contaminants in local ground waters all over the state, and there is no central body that can issue regulations or do something about it. We're having trcutle all CVEL the state, and I think that there ought to be some central body entrusted with forcing water... cr protecting our water tables throughout the State of Illincis. And there should be a body that says, This area is in a... dangerous situation. Something should be done. They should come in with the authority because there is no local authority. There is no federal authority, no state authority at this time."

"Well, perhaps you could tell us what studies these are that... that indicate that, and also what about the Illinois State Mater Survey? Do they not do any studies of that type, the Department of Energy and Natural Resources?"

"They may do the study, but they don't have any authority to force some action to clean up the pollutants in the water."

"Well, would this task force have authority... what kind of authority would the task force have?" 8.3  STATE OF ILLINOIS 836D GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 81st Legislative Day October 18, 1983

"They should study the problem and communicate with one another and form, you might say, a regulatory agency to control... control the underwater table in Illinois so that it's... the contaminants are lessened and water isn't dangerous to use."

"Well now, did you say that they would control, or they would recommend..."

"They would recommend future..."

"They would recommend. Well now, this task force, are they... are they going to be composed of state agencies only, or are they going tc also be composed of federal agencies?"

"Just state agencies."

"And would this task force be a paid task force, cr would it be..."

"It's the... It's asking that the Departments of Public Health and the Environmental Protection Agency, through their Directors, to form a task force to solve this problem."

"Well then, is this in answer to some of the... some of the information that was recently released by the Federal Government that indicated that there are problems with the water supplies throughout the nation?"

"Yes, but my Resolution is based on the reports of our own cities, townships and counties within the State of Illinois."

"Okay. Well, thank you. I hesitated to ask so many questions, but as you said, it will not be reviewed by Committee, and I do support your Resolution."

"The Gentleman from DeWitt, Mr. Vinson."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, will the Gentleman yield for a question?"

"He indicates that he will." 84  81st Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE Octcber 18, 1983

"This may be one that was already asked by Representative Koehler, and I apologize to you if she did. And I... шу attention was diverted. But ycu have become rather expert in recent months, Representative Giorgi, in issuing press releases. A number of Members bave mentioned press releases to me in connection with your name, and I wonder if this particular besolution may be another one of your press release Resolutions."

"Sam, Bepresentative Vinson, the fress releases you allude to were britten with yours in front of mine. I use yours as a..."

"Did you clear yours with Representative Pierce?"

"This is a particularly good government Resclution."

"A press release Resclution?"

"Not this. Not this. No, this is a... is after an expose in the northwestern part of Illincis, and I guess it must have occurred in the Peoria area also. We are having trouble... All cities, counties and toanships are having trouble with water tables and contaminants in the water. Underground... our underground water supply is in danger, and there doesn't seem to be a central regulatory body that will insist we do this and dc that."

"Yes, well, το the Motion, Mr. Speaker. I certainly intend to follow the lead of the Bepublican spokesman on the Environment Committee and her pertinent comments on the thing. I just thought there were Kembers who might want to be aware of Representative Giorgi and the fact that this might not be a press release Resolution."

"Yes, Mr. Giorgi."

"Representative Vinson, I might tell you that I would never have written any besolutions had you not started the habit."

"Further discussion? Further discussion? There 85  81st Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF BEPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE October 18, 1983 being none, the question is, 'Shall the Motion to discharge the Committee on Energy, Environment and Natural Resources prevail and the matter... and HR 390 advance to the Order of the Speaker's Table?' All in favor signify by voting "aye, those opposed vote 'nay". Voting is now open. The Gentleman from Will, Mr. Van Duyne."

"Thank you, Hr. Speaker. I just want to add my voice in support of the Resolution. Representative Giorgi was going to have it heard before ους Committee today, or tomcrroW morning, I should say, but there will be no Committee meeting tomorrOW morning cf Energy and Environment and Natural Resources. Sc, therefore, he won't get a chance to have it heard in Committee, and so I support his discharge Motion."

"Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Kotion, there are 98 voting 'aye", 17 voting nc', none voting 'present', and the Motion prevails. NGW, Mr. Giorgi. House Resolution 390 on the Speaker's Table. Mr. Giorgi."

"I request... I request the same vote for the adoption of the Resolution."

"Is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall the House adopt House Besclution 390?' All those in favor signify by voting aye", those opposed vote nay". Voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. Cn this Resolution, there are 99 voting 'aye", 14 voting 'nc', none voting present, and House Resolution 390 is adopted. On page 19 of the Calendar on the Order of Amendatory Veto Motions appears House Bill 1683. The lady frcı Kane, BS. Zwick, 1683.*

"Mr. Speaker, I believe..."

"Th 86  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENEBAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION СЕБАТЕ October 18, 1983 81st Legislative Day already done that. Is that right?"

"Yes, successfully, too. Thank you."

"T "That was when Є... when ve skipped a few pages. Alright, fine. On the Order of Amendatory Veto Motions appears House Bill 1703. Representative Homer."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and ladies and Gentlemen. I Dove to accept the recommendations of the Governor amendatorily vetoing House Bill 1703. House Eill 170.3 attempted to address the delay prcblem in getting decisions out of the Board of Review for unemployment insurance clairs. The Governor's vetc would increase the time allowed to do that from sixty days, as provided in the Fill, tc a period of one hundred twenty days.. And although I would have preferred the sixty days, 1 think that the hundred and twenty is a definite improverent over existing law. And for that reason, would move to accept the... the Governor's veto."

"Is there any discussion on that matter? Any discussion on the Motion? There being nane, the question is, *Shall the House accept the Governor's specific recommendations for change with respect to House Bill 1703, by the adoption of the Amendment?* This is final actico. All those in favor signify by voting 'aye, those opposed vote 'no". Voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. Cn this Motion, there are 109 voting "aye, 1 voting 'no', 1 voting present", and this Motion, having received the Constitutional Majority, prevails. And the House accepts the Governor'S specific recommendations for change regarding House Bill 1703 by the adoption of the Amendment. On the Order of Amendatory Veto Motions appears House Bill 1707, Representative Federsen."

"Thank... thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and 87  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 81st Legislative Day October 18, 1983 Gentlemen of the House. I move to concur with the Governor's amendatory veto. What it does is to change a portion of the Bill to allow unemployment... or uninsured motorists property damage coverage. The original Bill is mandated on all automobiles. This would only apply to those automobiles who don't carry collision insurance. In addition to that, there was another Bill, Senate Bill 991, which had similar language to the one we... that we are using here. And in order to avoid confusion, we'll be... we'll be vetoing that language out of 991, and just have it in this Bill. So I move to concur with the Governor's amendatory veto."

"Is there any discussion on the Motion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall the House accept the Governor's specific recommendations for change with respect to House Bill 1707, by the adoption of the Amendment?' This is final action. All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'nay'. Voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Motion, there are 112 voting 'aye', nope voting 'no', none voting 'present', and this Motion, having received the Constitutional Majority, prevails, and the House accepts the Governor's specific recommendations for change regarding House Bill 1707 by the adoption of the Amendment. On the Order of Amendatory Veto Motions appears House Bill 1788. The Gentleman from Lee, Mr. Olson."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I move to concur in the Governor's amendatory veto of House Bill 1788. The measure provided that the Stock Breeders and Detectives Act be amended so that they didn't have to file their respective certificates with county clerks. In researching, the Governor's staff found that 88  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENEBAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 81st Legislative Day October 18, 1983 the detectives provision of the Fill had been sunsetted on December 31, 1982, hence the Avenduent kicking that out. So, for that reason, I would suggest that we accept the amendatory veto of House Bill 1788."

"Is there any discussion on the Motion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall the House accept the Governor's specific recommendations for change with respect to House Bill 1788, by the adoption cf the Amendment?' This is final action. All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'nc'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Ar. Clerk, take the record. On this Mction there are 115 voting 'aye', none voting 'no', none voting 'present', and this Mction, having received the Constitutional Majority, prevails, and the House accepts the Governor's specific recommendations for change regarding House Bill 1788, by the adoption of the Amendment. On the Order of Amendatory Vetoes... Veto Motions appears House Bill 1847. The Gentleman from DeWitt, Mr. Vinson."

"Out of the record at this time, Mr. Speaker."

"On the Order of Amendatory Veto Motions appears House Bill 1881. The Lady from Curage, Miss Karpiel."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I move to accept the amendatory vetc on House Bill 1881. The... the veto simply kept the Bill intact except that it made the Bill apply only to counties of more than five hundred thousand, but less than three million population."

"Is there any discussion on the Action? There being none, the question is, 'Shall the Bouse accept the Governor's specific recommendations for change with respect to House Bill 1881, by the adoption of the Amendment. This is final action. All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'nay'. Voting is now open. Have 89  81st Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE October 18, 1983 all voted who wish? Have all voted whc wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Motion there are 109 voting 'aye', 1 voting 'no', 1 voting 'present', and this Motion having received the Constitutional Majcrity prevails, and the House accept the Governor's specific recommendations for change regarding House Pill 1881 by the adoption of the Amendment. Cn the Order of Amendatory Veto Motions appears House Bill 1925. The Lady frca Marshall, Mrs. Koehler. The Lady from Marshall, Mrs. Koehler."

"Thank you, MI. Speaker and ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I move to accept the Governor's amendatory veto on House Bill 1925. It makes certain technical changes in a land exchange Bill in the counties of Marshall and Adams Counties. It is supported by the Department of Conservation, the Department of Transportation and the Governor's Office. They all agreed that this change should be made, and I would hope that you would agree with them also."

"On the Motion, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall the House accept the Governor's specific recommendations for change with respect to House Bill 1925, by the adoption of the Amendment?" This is final action. All those in favcr signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vcte 'no". Voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Botion there are 113 voting 'aye', none voting nc", 1 voting present', and this Motion, having received the Constitutional Majority, prevails, and the House accepts the Governor's specific recommendations for change regarding House Bill 1925, by the adoption of the Asendment. On the Crder of Agendatory Veto Motions appears House Bill 1972. Gentleran from Kendall, Mr. Hastert." 90  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 81st Legislative Day

"Mr. Speaker, October 18, 1983 Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, House Bill 1972 is the annual conveyance Eill of the Department of Conservation. The arendatory veto contains five technical changes, three of them say instead of 'of pages' to 'on pages'. Cne vas a transcription (sic transposition) of numbers, and the fifth was... it says...from existing... inserts the word 'east', 'existing east of'. It's a technical change, there's five technical changes in that land conveyance. 1 move to accept the Governor's amendatory veto."

"Is there any discussion on the Motion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall the House accept the Governor's specific recommendations for change with respect to House Bill 1972, by the adoption of the Amendment?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those cpposed vote 'nay'. The voting is now open. This is final action. The Gentleman from Livingston, Mr. Ewing."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I have a conflict of interest of this Bill, and I'll be voting 'present'."

"Thank you, Mr. Ewing. Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Ection there are 112 voting 'aye', 1 voting 'no', 1 voting 'present', and the Motion... Mr. Van Duyne. And this Motion, having received the Constitutional Majority, prevails, and the House accepts the Governor's specific recommendations for change regarding House Bill 1972 by the adoption of the Amendment. On the Order of Amendatory Veto Motions appears House Bill 2065. The Lady from DuPage, Ms. Nelson."

"Mr. Speaker, I would like to withdraw my Motion."

"Now, so the Clerk is clear, you wish to withdraw your Motion to accept the Governor's amendatory veto, is that right?" 91  81st Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE October 18, 1983

"That is right, Mr. Speaker. The purpose of the Eill has already been taken care of in the Zsick... Bill."

"Well, alright. That's alright. I just wanted to make sure so the Clerk didn't have any ambiguities. Alright, fine."

"... Thank you."

"On the Order of Amendatory Veto Motions appears House Bill 2085. The Lady from Sangason, Mrs. Oklinger."

"ar. Speaker and Members of the House, this is a substantive Bill that WE are asking you to cverride the Governor's amendatory veto. We are not changing the appropriation Bill and replacing the hundred thousand dollars. We want this substantive legislation on the books so that 4A training money, when it ccres down, can be used for this purpose. I have just ссве from a three day meeting of two hundred and fifty senior citizens Over at the State House Inn. They asked that this be given consideration because it's one of their recommendations for the future in order to have preventive medicine. We are only asking for the substantive legislation. We are not replacing the hundred thousand dollars in the appropriation. We expect tc have 4A federal training money."

"Is there any discussion on the Motion? There being DODE the question is, 'Shall House Bill 2085 pass, the veto of the... the amendatory vetc of the Governor notwithstanding?' This is final action. All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those cpposed vote "Day'. Voting is DOW open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. Cn this Motion there are 115 voting 'aye", none voting 'no', none voting present', and this Fill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed, the 92  81st Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF BEPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE October 18, 1983 amendatory veto of the Governor notwithstanding. Cn the Order of Amendatory Veto Motions affears House Bill 2110. The Gentleman from Kendall, Mr. Bastert."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, House Bill 2110 is a Bill that came out of the Local Governments Accounting Task Force. What it does, it says that the Department of Community and Commerce Affairs... Commerce and Community Affairs shall provide model forms for local governments so that there can be a uniformity in financial statement forms that come out of those local governments. The amendatorу veto asks that we delay the enactment date to after January 1st, 1985 to let the parties involved, CPAS and local governments get together and put together those forms. If we said 1984, we're under a shcrt time constraint, and I would Dove to accept the arendatory veto."

"Is there any discussion OD the Motion? Any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall the House accept the Governor's specific recommendations for change with respect to House Bill 2110, by the adoption of the Axendment?' This is final action. All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 00'. Voting is now open. Have all voting... have all voted sho wish? Have all vcted who wish? MI. Clerk, take the record. On this Motion there are 115 voting 'aye', none voting 'no', none voting present', and this Motion, having received the Constitutional Majority, prevails, and the House accepts the Governor's specific recommendations for change regarding House Bill 2110, by the adoption of the Amendment. This is our last... On the Crder of Arendatcry Veto Motions appears House Bill 2111. Gentleman from Kendall, Mr. Bastert."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the 93  81st legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE October 18, 1983 House. 2111 is very similar to 2110. What 2111 asks to do with the... what the statute states is that the Department of Community and Commerce Affairs... Ccomerce and Community Affairs provide a uniform disclosuζε form for all significant information to potential purchasers of debt or bonding. And what this does, just like in House Bill 2110, is to extend that date so those feople who are forming those bond information forms have SOBE tise to put it together with CFAS and the local financial institutions and fiduciaries. We ask that... it does change it to January 1st, 1985, for the enactuent clause, instead of January 1st, 1984- I ask for your acceptance to the Governor's amendatory veto."

"Is there any discussion on the Motion? Discussion on the Motion. There being none, the question is, *Shall the House accept the Governor's specific recommendations for change with respect to House Bill 2111, by the adoption of the Amendment?" A11 those in favCE signify by voting "aye", those opposed vcte 'nay. This is final action. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. Cn this Motion there are 113 voting 'aye 1 voting 'no", none vcting 'present'. This Motion, having received the Constitutional Majority, prevails, and the House accepts the Governor's specific reccomendation for change regarding House Bill 2111, by the adoption of the Amendsent. Se'll stand at ease for just a moment. Well... On the Order o.f Amendatory Veto Motions, well back up for one that we passed over before. House Bill 84. The Lady from Cock, Representative Eraun."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I move to accept the Governor's amendatory veto and specific recommendations for change on Ecuse Bill 84." 94  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 81st Legislative Day

"Is there any discussion Gentleman from Will, Hr. Van Luyne." October 18, 1983 on the Botion? The

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, but as usual you are about five minutes late. I wanted to address the Chair to notify this Body about five minutes age with a little interim there that we were not going to have an Environment, Energy and Natural Resources Committee meeting tomcrrce morning legitimately. That's all I wanted to say, and thank you."

"Thank you, MI. Van Duyne. Affreciate that notice. Is there any discussion CD the Mction? There being none, the question is, Shall the House accept the Governor's specific recommendations for change with respect to House Bill 84, by the adoption of the Amendment? All those in favor signify by voting aye', those opposed vote *nay. Voting is now open. This is final action on the Bill. Have all voted who wish? Bave all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Bction there are 112 vcting 'aye', none voting "no". none voting 'present. This Motion, having received the Constitutional Majority, prevails, and the House accepts the Governor's specific recommendations for change regarding House Bill 84 by adoption of the Amendment. A change in the Order of Business DOW. On page 9 cf the Calendar, Ictal Veto Motions, appears House Bill 307. The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Birkinbine. ΜΕ. Birkinbine, out of the record.. Alright. House Bill 312, OD the Order of Total Veto Motions. Mr. Taylor. Out of the record. On the Crder of Total Veto Motions appears House Bill 349. No, that's out of the record. On the Order of Total Veto Motions appears House Bill 366. The Gentleman frce Cock, Mr. Terzich."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I would move to override the Governor's veto on House Bill 366. Although the Governor stated that SCIE cf these 95  81st Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINGIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE October 18, 1983 provisions were contained in Senate Bill 288, it did exclude certain provisions of... one, which it eliminated the possibility of a spouse or children and other relatives from being liable, and also deleted provisions allowing for litigation against trustees should a disgruntled participant or annuitant believe in a particular investment, and should produce a better results than any trustee is already liable under both the common law and existing law. And it deletes the 'my brother's keeper' liability which requires a trustee to use reasonable care to prevent any other trustee from comsiting such a breach. This Bill was proposed by the Illinois State Board of Investment, and which was supported by all of the members, including Judge Robert "Downing". And it's a good Bill, and I think that the Governor was in error in vetoing this based upon the other Bill. And I would urge your support to override the Governor's veto."

"The... on the Motion, discussion? Gentleman from Dewitt, Mr. Vinson."

"Yes, will the Gentleman yield for a question?"

"He indicates that he will."

"Representative, my understanding is that this Bill contains identical language to Senate Bill 288, that Senate Bill 288 has been signed into law. So what is the purpose of trying to override on this if that's the case?"

"The Senate Bill 288 was amendatorily vetoed, and is waiting in the Senate to, you know, to be voted on for the amendatory veto."

"288 was amendatorily vetoed?"

"That's correct, and I believe there's a Motion in the Senate on the veto."

"Is there anything in House Bill 366 other than the indemnification language?" 96  81st Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF HEPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE October 18, 1983

"NO, that's all that's in there... as originally submitted."

"Well, given those factors, I have nc opposition to the Gentleman's Motion."

"The Lady from Cook, Ms. Braup."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Calendar doesn't seem to indicate that a Motion was filed to override the Governor's veto, and I'm wondering when such a Motion Gas filed cn this Bill. I'm looking on page 9. I don't see Motion filed."

"Page 9, Total Veto Motions. If... I think if the Bill... If there had been no Motion, it would not be on this..."

"You're right, on Total Veto Motions. Alright. In that case, I would like to ask a question of the Sponsor..."

"Proceed, Miss Eraus."

"I' sorry, I was under the impression... I was not under the impression that the Calendar indicated a Mction had been filed on this."

"Frcceed, Miss Eraun."

"Representative Terzich, in light of the other pension connected legislation that was passed this terв, it SEEDS that there's a concern at least that this legislation may well open up the pension funds to potential raid... raids by relaxing the fiduciary responsibility or requirements that are presently in the law. And can you respond to that... I mean what... do you believe that this opens up these pension funds to more relaxed requirements and thereby jeopardizes the pensioners interests?"

"Well, Judge 'Downing', who is the Chairman of the Illinois State Board of Investments feel that there, at the present time, is case law that would require... you know, that would cover this particular provision. And what the 97  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 81st Legislative Day October 18, 1983 Bill basically does, it applies the... excludes from liability all of the pension systems and the State Ecard of Investments vas included. However, this provision would just simply extend it whereby a relative could not be sued. For example, my wife or my children would be sued for ay actions, and also to protect the frcu harassment from any investment. The people on the State Ecard of Investments work on a non-salaried basis, and they do a good job, and they feel that this is a basic harasscent On there. And that there is case law at the present time to cover any malfeasance or misappropriation of any funds."

"Alright. To the Bill, Mr. Speaker."

"Fraceed."

"I believe that this legislation, if the Governor's veta is overridden, will establish a very dangerous precedent, setting the stage for potential raids on the pensioners' funds, and jeopardy to the interests of pensioners in these very systems. And I... I would encourage a 'no' vote on the Motion to cverride."

"Further discussion on the Motion? Further discussion? There being none, the Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Terzich, to close."

"Well, again, Br. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, that there is laws on the books to protect that, and as stated by also Judge Downing and the meaters of the Commission that it would be very, very difficult to be willing to serve as trustee under the present legislation, and feel that this is necessary to perform a good job for the state. And I would move its adoption... cr override."

"The question is, 'Shall House Bill 366 pass, the veto of the Governor notwithstanding? A11 those in favor signify by voting "aye", those opposed vote 'nay". Voting is now open. Have all voted whc wish? Have all 98  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 81st Legislative Day October 18, 1983 voted who wish? Mr. Terzich to explain his vote."

"Well, again, Mr. Speaker, this is a... a very good Bill. As I stated that the State Board of Investments is liable for investing in excess of cre and a half billion dollars. They've been doing an exceptionally good job. That this was reviewed by Judge 'Downing' and the members of the Commission, and it does create some concern for these here people who do serve as trustees on this Ecard. I, personally, if anybody does have any Fraud or any misrepresentation on the Ecard, they are presently subject to criminal prosecution under the current law. This simply provides that their family members and so on are nct subject for acts that are performed by someone else. And it also would avoid the members to perform a good job, and also not be harassed by the possibility of criminal charges being brought before them. It's good legislation, and I would urge, you know, additional vctes on this."

"Have all voted who wish? Бале all voted whc wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Motion there are 55 voting 'aye", 57 voting 'nç, 1 'present', and the Motion is lost. On the Order of Total Motion Vetoes appears... We'll go back for one. There appears House Bill 312. The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Taylor. The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Taylor. Proceed."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. I move to override the total veto of the Governor in relation to a work-study program for high school students in grades of 11 and 12. In his vetc message, he stated that the program was working throughout the state. I regret to say to you that it's not. If you've read tcċay's paper in the Sun-Tices, and you read the headlines of yesterday's paper, it said that in black communities seven out of every ten children is cut of work, and I'd venture to say in a 99  STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEPATE 81st Legislative Day October 18, 1983 district like mine nine out of every ten is out of work. Therefore, I think this is a good piece of legislation, and I think that ve should attempt to cverride it and make certain that this Bill becomes law. 1 solicit your vote for House Bill 312."

"Is there any discussion on the Motion? Any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 312 pass, the veta of the Governor notwithstanding?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'nay". Voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. Cn this Motion, therε are 63 voting 'aye', 46 voting 'no', 1 voting 'present', and the Motion is lost. On the Order of Total Vetc Motions appears House Bill 487. The Gentleman from Cock, Representative DiFrima."

"Yes, Sir. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, House Bill 487 limits the veterans' preference in layoff and reemployment situations to veterans who were in the armed forces during either World War I, World War II, the Korean conflict or the Vietnamese conflict, and provides that if the veterans' preference in layoff and reemployment situation would entitle a veteran to be retained or reemployed in preference to a widow with a dependent minor child, a widow would be entitled to be retained or reemployed in preference to the veteran, which I believe is only right. NCW, CDE of the strange discrepancies that has struck me over the years is the way a nation, our nation at least, blows hot and cold cn service men and women, now, too. Veterans have always been treated shabbily, promised and then disappointed, woced with ardor and then shunned when the need for them has ended. I think it's time that we should give a little 100  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF BEPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 81st Legislative Day October 18, 1983 consideration to the veterans, those that have served cur country in the past, in view of what is going on in Lebanon today. You see, our boys are constantly putting their lives at stake, and I think we should remember them by giving them this little Bill to help them a little... some little way. Thank you."

"The... Is there any discussion on the Motion? The Gentleman from DeWitt, Mr. Vinscn."

"Will the Gentleman yield for a question?"

"He indicates that he will."

"Yes, Sam."

"Representative, is this the Bill that Representative Satterthwaite stole from you earlier?"

"No, no, that was Senate Bill 263, where you had to sign up for the draft."

"Well, to the Bill, Mr. Speaker. This is the one that Representative Satterthwaite should have stolen from Representative DiPrima, and I rise in oppositico to the Gentleman's Motion."

"Is there further discussion? Further discussion? There being none, Representative DiFrima to close."

"Yeah, well, Sammy, you heard me say that I'm siding with the women here, you understand? And I know Satterthwaite is on my side of the fence there, along with all these other women here. Just give me a favorable vote. That's all I ask. Thank you."

"The question is, 'Shall Excuse Bill 487 pass, the veto of the Governor notwithstanding?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'nay'. Voting is open. This is final action. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. Yes, Mr. Di Frima to explain your vote." 101  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 81st legislative Day October 18, 1983

"I can't believe this. I'm really stunned. You mean to tell me I can't get 71 votes up there? Come on, let's move. Let's... I don't want to bother going to the absentees. Give me three more votes up there."

"Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Motion there are 68 voting 'aye', 35 voting 'no', 1 voting 'present'... yes, Mr. DiPrima?"

"Yes, I'd like to have... have polling... Poll the absentees."

"Gentleman asks for a Poll of the Absentees, within his rights. Mr. Clerk, Poll of the Absentees."

"Poll of the Absentees. Alexander. Barnes."

"Alexander votes 'aye'."

"Barnes. Bowman. Eraun. Currie. John Dunn. Ralph Dunn. Dwight Friedrich. Greiman. Jaffe. Klers. Levin. Markette. McAuliffe. No further."

"On this Motion there are 68 voting 'aye'... Johnson... vote Johnson 'no'. Alright. Does anybody else care to change their vote or make a vote? Therefore, on this Motion there are 69 voting 'aye', 36 voting 'no', none voting 'present', and this Motion, having failed to receive a Constitutional Majority, is hereby lost. On the Order of Total Veto Motions appears House Bill 488. Gentleman from Franklin, Mr. Rea."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. House Bill 488 amends the Metropolitan Civic Center Support Act. It gives authorization and approval to promote civic centers in three counties, the same as we have done on other... in the past on other legislation. It does grant power to issue revenue bonds. It works... It makes these centers eligible for grants, which will not increase taxes, and it certainly gives a great boost to the area 102  STATE OF ILLINGIS 83RD GENERAL ASSENELY BOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 81st Legislative Day economically and culturally October 18, 1983 as well. It came out of the House 96 to 15, and move for an cverride on this... cn House Eill 486.."

"Is there any discussion on the Motion? Any discussion? There being none... I'm sorry. Mr. Cullerton, Gentleman from Cook."

"Mr. Speaker, I would ask the Sporscr if he could just simply take this out of the record for just a few minutes. We're locking for the file. We want to review the file before we vote on the Fill."

"Sponsor indicates he'd be happy to take it out of the record for a few minutes. On the Cider to Total Veto Motions appears House Bill 522. The Gentleman from Knox, Mr. Hawkinson. Out of the record. On the Order of Total Veto Motions appears Bouse Bill 662. The Gentleman from Kankakee, Mr. Fangle."

"Thank ycu, MI. Speaker. I BOVE to override the Governor's veto. House Bill 662 is a Eill that passed the House and the Senate. In fact, after it was known that the Bill was going to pass, the House had a lot of people ccue up and say they wanted to get on the Bill. It places lottery money into education, and we all are aware of the fact that the lottery seems to be acing guite well after last weekend. I move for an override."

"Is there any discussion on the Motion? There being none, the question is... yes. Ch, Gentleman frcm McLean, Mr. Bopp."

"Mr. Speaker, would the Sponsor yield?"

"Indicates that he will."

“工。 Sponsor, if, by chance, this Fill passes, would it prohibit, by its passage, the possible funding of a che day lottery for other special projects like we had in the last Session dealing with the University of Illinois?" 103  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF BEPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEFATE 81st Legislative Day

"Representative, October 18, 1983 I really can't answer that question if it would or if it wouldn't."

"Well, if a red hot special project would be acceptable by this General Body, then that could also beccre a reality, is that right?"

"Well, I think we could always pass special legislation for a one day lottery if that's what we... if that's what we wanted to do."

"Yeah, but I didn't know whether CI not this might preclude... at least until we ever pass any other Fills."

"I wouldn't have any idea if it sculd CE not, Mr. Representative, and we can make an exceftion, you know."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Levin."

"Thank you, MI Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. While I note that both the sponsors of this Bill are from downstate, this Bill, I think, addresses a problem that не have this very minute in the City of Chicago. I have gotten numerous phone calls and communications from constituents because of cur schcel strike who thought and continue to think that the proceeds of the lottery go for education, and who want to see that. And I think this is an excellent Bill. It was a good Bill initially, and 1 would like to see an override. I think it would help the situation in the City of Chicagc."

"Gentleman from Marion, Mr. Friedrich."

"Would the Sponsor yield?"

"He indicates he will."

"Representative Fangle, would you envision this increasing the amount of dollars available to education?"

"Yes, I would."

"Alright, then obviously, the money that's going for other purposes would be reduced. What do you propose to reduce since the lottery money and the sales tax money and 104  81st Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINGIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE October 18, 1983 the income tax money all gces into general revenue.. What department would you propose to reduce, or which taxes would you propose to increase to... wait a minute. May I finish the question? If this would reduce the other money in general revenue, what would you propose to eliminate in the other services, or what taxes would you propose to increase to replenish the amount taken out because the lottery money didn't go in there?"

"I think that would have to just fall under the appropriation process or the Eureau of the Budget."

"Well, to the Bill, Mr. Speaker."

"Proceed."

"There are only so many drops of water in the bucket, and I think this Bill is kind of like rocking in a rocking chair. It gives you something to do, but it doesn't get you anyplace. All it does is take... it just says the lottery money goes to education, so some of the money that's going to education has to go for something else. Now, you can't have it both ways. You either have to raise revenues to replace the other, or you have to reduce services. The Sponsor apparently has no plan to raise taxes. He apparently has no plan to reduce other services. So I think that makes the issue a phony one at this time, and that's no reflection on the Sponsor, because I'm sure he is well-intentioned. I don't believe he understands the process of revenue and appropriatons because there's only so many dollars total."

"Gentleman from Madison, Mr. Wolf."

"Mr. Speaker, I move the previous question."

"Well, I wonder if you could just hold it. There's just one or two people asking for... for recognition. The Gentleman from Winnebago, Mr. Hallock."

"Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, I think before he 105  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENEBAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCEIFTION DEFATE 81st Legislative Day October 18, 1983 debate and pass any Bill on the lottery, we ought to hear from the father of the lottery as to what he thinks on this Bill, Bepresentative Giorgi."

"Gentleman from DeWitt, Mr. Vinson."

"Gentleman yield for a question?"

"Indicates he will."

"Representative, I missed the answer that you gave to a question earlier. Dc you believe that this will increase the amount of money available for education?"

"Yes."

"You do? You do?"

"Yes."

"Will it do that at the expense of mental health?"

"I can't answer that questico."

"Well, Mr. Speaker, I would sutsit that if this can increase the amount of money available for education, it's got to do it at the expense o.f mental health and other state government functions. And Im certainly against cutting off funding for the Kankakee Mental Health Center. So I'm going to vote against this."

"Gentleman from DuPage, Mr. Ecffman."

"Thank you... Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I rise in ceposition to this Bill in support of the Governor's veto. I don't think anybody here is really so naive as to think that this is going to increase the amcunt cf попеу available for education. You either take it out of the Common School Fund, or you take it out of the General Revenue Fund. It's six of cne and half a dozen of ancther. There is coly so much money raised, and we could argue right now that every cent that goes into the lottery goes into education because the general distributing fund alone this last year was a billion three hundred and eighty-one million dollars. So, 106  81st Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENEGAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF BEPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEEATE October 18, 1983 you know, this is really an example of an attempt to create a facade that appears that it accomplishes something, and I think most of us who have worked with this any period of time knows that it does not. All due respect to the Sponsor. I'm sure he's very sincere. However, I don't believe this will accomplish what he hopes it will, and it's for that reason that I oppose it."

"The Gentleman from Bureau, Mr. Mautino."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I stand in support of the override on this particular question, House Bill 662. I hear a lot of statements here about having priorities and having a facade and saying that there's only so many drops in the bucket. I would like to remind this General Assembly that the Icttery Was used for the University of Illinois and the proceeds from one February allocation used for funding of that school system when they had their problems with the Big Ten. I'd like to remind this General Assembly they used this money as the backup funding source for the Chrysler Corporation's bail-cut provisions. I think that those Members whc have been sitting in this General Assembly since 1972, recall the criginal intent of the lottery, and that was for the Common School Fund. If you want to be honest and forthright and tell your constituents that since the lottery has been increasing the revenue of the State of Illinois, it should go for the common school funds of this state. If, in fact, there is an increase, that was the promise that was presented in '72 and should be carried out today. It's a good Bill. It should get the support for a total override."

"Further discussion. Representative Giorgi, from Winnebago."

"Mr. Speaker, in 1972, when the lottery only passed the 107  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day October 18, 1983 House, that was true, but in 1973, when the lottery Bill was actually passed, there were four Amendments put on in the House, and they were taken off in the Senate, SO that all the money from the lattery goes in the General Revenue Fund. The only reason Pangle's veto attempt override is dangerous today is because every dollar that we earn in tax dollars, almost thirty-six cents goes for education. Eut next year, the lottery is going to gross a billion dollars, and what you are going to do here is allccate four hundred million dollars to education, and then you are going to find that you are sending too auch opey to where ycu wanted to... to where you want to spend the dough. So the original lottery was passed. The lottery that became law did not have any earmarked funds in it. Everything went in the General Revenue Fund. But in this case, next year you are going to gross a billion dollars in the lottery, and you are going to net about four hundred and fifty million to the state. Now, if you want to send that to education, that's what you are doing today. I think it's a very bad precedent in this case."

"Mr. Wolf was right. Cr. Fangle tc close." 'angle: "Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In closing, I would just like to add IE sure all the rural downstate area Representatives are aware of the facts that the small school districts are having, like Bepresentative Ropp and so forth, as far as funds, as far as the FIC program production and so forth. I must remind you this Eill was passed by House by a vote of 102. 1.would ask that the 102 that stood by me on the original Bill... would vote 'yes' again. Thank you."

"The question is, Shall House Bill 662 pass, the veto of the Governcr notwithstanding?" A11 those in favor signify by voting 'aye", those opposed vote 'nay". 108  31st Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIETION CEEATE October 18, 1983 This is final action. The voting is DCM open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted whc wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Motion, there are ٤٤٠٠٠ Mr. Hastert "no". Mr. Fangle."

"Can... I'd like to poll the absentees, please."

"Fardon, Mr. Pangle."

"Like to poll the absentees, please."

"Gentleman requests a Ecll of the Absentees.. Within his rights. Mr. Clerk, Fcll of the Absentees. Gentleman from DeWitt, Mr. Vinson. For what purpose do you rise?"

"Mr. Speaker, in the event that this Motion should get the requisite number of votes, I would request a verification."

"This Gentleman is also within his rights. Okay, Br. Clerk, Foll of the Absentee."

"Poll of the Absentees."

"I... Yes, Mr. Ecwran. Oh, yes. Ms. Markette."

"Yes, I vote 'yes'."

"Vote Markette aye'. Ms. Younge, for what purpose... Ms. Younge 'aye'. Mr. Clerk, proceed."

"Pcll of the Absentees. Jaffe. McAuliffe. Neff. No further."

"On this Motion, there are 70 voting 'aye', 44... 45 voting 'nc', none voting present'. Yes. Mr. Mulcahey, for what purpose do you rise?"

"MI. Speaker, how am I recorded?"

"You're recorded as voting... How is the Gentleman recorded?"

"Gentleman is recorded as vcting aye."

"Thank you."

"On this Motion, there are 68... 69 voting... 109  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY BOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CЕБАТЕ Octcber 18, 1983 81st Legislative Day no, I'm sorry. What is the count, Nr. Clerk?"

"70 'aye." peaker Greiman: "Cn this Motion, there are 70 voting 'aye', 45 voting 'no, none voting present', and this Mction is declared lost. On the Order of Tctal Veto Motions appears House Bill 682. Gentleman from... out of the record. Alright. On the Order of Ictal Veto Notions, we went to House... we passed up House Eill 488. Re will return to that. Mr. Bea, the Gentleman frce Franklin. Give the Gentleman some order." lea: "At this time, I would move for override on House Bil1 488."

"Is there any discussion on the Motion? There being none, the question is, Shall Ecuse Bill 488 pass, the veto of the Governor notwithstanding? All those in favor signify by voting aye", those opposed vote 'no". Voting is now open. This is final action cn the Bill. Have all vcted who wish? Have all voted who wish? BI. Clerk, take the record. On this Eill... On this Motion there are 92 voting 'aye", 16 voting "nc", 2 voting 'present'... yes. Brunsvcld 'no'. And this Bill having attained Constitutional Majority is hereby declared passed, the veto of the Governor notwithstanding. Total Veto Motions appears House Bill 730. The Gentleman from Franklin, Мг. Беа. Out of the recard. On the Order of Total Veto Motions appears Ficuse Bill 743. The Gentleman from Kane, Mr. Kirkland. Mr. Kirkland. Mr. Kirkland, you are the Sponsor of House Fill 743. Cn the Order of Total Veto Motions."

"Thank you, took me by surprise. Ecuse Eill... just a moment. House Bill 743 is what's been commonly referred to as the 'school nurses Bill. It passed out of the General Assembly last year and was vetced by the Governor on the basis that it did not have an appropriation and that it 110  31st Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF БЕРBESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE October 18, 1983 would cost state money. It passed cut of the General Assembly again this year and was once again vetoed OD the basis that it again would cost the state money. However, that veto... and the veto message that hent along with it was incorrect becau Section 2 of the Bill this year, unlike the Bill last year, indicated that the General Assembly hereby finds and declares that this amendatory Act does not reguire... reimbursement by the state under the State Mandates Act. In other words, it was exempted from the State Mandates Act, and any cost of the Eill this year would be borne on the local level. And that is how the Bill passed out of this House with 91 votes, and that's how it passed out of the Senate this year. Governor's... regarding the figures raised by the Governor Now, the in his amendatory veto, he indicated incorrectly, indicating this would be state money, that the Bill could cost from 2.5 million to 17 million dollars over three years. In fact, again, when we passed the Bill Gut, the fiscal impact statement indicated that the Bill would cost about 330,000 dollars a year, which over three years would amount to a little over a million dollars, not 2.5 to 17. Now, the purpose of this Fill is... this Fill will apply to about two hundred of the one thousand state school nurses because 800,000 of the... excuse me, eight hundred of thcse thousand nurses already receive the certified amount of pay that teachers get.. This Fill would make it possible and, in fact, require that where a schocl district had a situation either similar to or having an increased amount from the minimum salary levels for teachers, that certified nurse... school nurses, in effect, like those certified teachers, their colleagues, sould get the same rate of pay. NOW. finally, the bottom line purpose of the Bill is to provide equity because school QUISES are like schcol 111  31st Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CЕВАТЕ October 18, 1983 teachers. They teach the same... they address the same students. In some cases they teach the students in addition to addressing their health care. They work on the same calendar. They have to get the sage education requirements when they are certified, and they should be paid on the same salary schedule as certified teachers. We would ask that those 91 people, and maybe more, who voted this Bill out before, vote it out again and cverride the Governor's veto. Be glad to answer any questions. Thank ycu."

"Alright. Is there further discussion? Gentleman from DeWitt, Mr. Vinson."

"Thank you, MI. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I rise in opposition to the Gentleman's Motion. I do SO most reluctantly because I know of his devotion and concern for this particular cause. And I do SO most reluctantly because I know it is a good cause. But I do so nevertheless, because I know that, unfortunately, in the current economic situation, the state just cannot deal with the financing of all of the good causes available for this General Assembly to consider. Ke are in a position where the projected revenues available for the State of Illincis in this particular fiscal year are coming in precisely on target with the estimates that the legislative leaders adopted in the summit conference on the budget last spring. We are in a position where we do not yet know what is going to be necessary to extend on the subject of rapid transit, mass transit in the Chicago area. We do not yet know how much it's going to be necessary to expend to deal with the problem of corrections and the prison çvercrowding problem in order to create necessary cells tc incarcerate people and to protect the public. We are in a position where, should не undertake new obligations? In this particular 112  STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF SEPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 81st Legislative Day October 18, 1983 obligation, the estimates are... could conceivably IUD as high as 17 million dollars. We are in a position where we're going to have to take that money away from some other important function of government, fron SODE other good function of government, or we are in a position where we're going to have to take that money away from the people of the State of Illinois in the form of higher taxes. I do not believe this General Assembly will choose to do either one of those things and should not. I believe we have funded the essential services of government at this time, and I believe that in this Veto Session, we should reject good programs, no matter how reluctant we are to reject them because of the quality of the Sponsçı or the quality of the program. I do not believe we have the money, and I believe, in cur hearts and in our consciences, if we're going to keep faith with the public and the taxpayers of this state, we have to vote nc on this program and others like it. And for that reason, and reluctantly, I urge a 'no' vote on the Gentleman's Motion."

"The Gentleman frco Vermilica, Mr. Stuffle."

"Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, if you listened to the last argument, and if you followed the arguments of the Sponsor, you'll know that the last argument does not hold water, because this Bill does not require payment by the State of Illinois. That Amendment was put on the Bill in Section 2, which Representative Kirkland read, which has the legislative finding and declaration of exemption from the State Mandates Act. The argument of the Governor abcut the potential costs cited by Representative Vinson is absurd - totally sC.. Two years ago, we had done, fcr the Office of Education, a salary study that showed the entire statewide cost to be less than $375,000, and in fact, that's diminished, because there are some people who are 113  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCBIFTION CEFATE 81st legislative Day Octcber 18, 1983 now on schedules that weren't then. All this suggests is that a handful of people in the state who are certified nurses employed by school boards, be paid in accordance with the provisions of salary schedules for teachers. We mandate by law that they have bachelor's degrees, that they have additional training, and in fact, they are trained to a greater degree in the save position that they otherwise would be on the salary schedule, than the teachers in the state. We suggest that they have to have those qualifications, but we refuse to çay them the save as people otherwise on the schedule who are only teaching who have less qualification and less of a Dandate to be qualified. This Bill will not cost millions. It won't even cost $400,000. As I indicated, it's a statevide program. It will be absorbed in small pieces in school districts. It only recognizes the need to fut, if you will, our money locally where our south is, since we've mandated these people to do certain things and have certain qualifications. We passed this Bill twice out of this House by large majorities. We ought to be standing behind these school nurses. We ought tc be recognizing what Representative Kirkland said, that the state has no financial liability at all, under Section 2 of the Bill, and it ought to be passed over the vetc of the Governor, as the Sponsor indicated." Speaker Greiman; "The Gentleman from DuPage, Bepresentative Hoffman."

"Thank you, Mr... Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. 1 rise in opposition to this Motion. It is not correct to say that the training of nurses is the same as teachers. It, in fact, is nct... is not the same. They're not involved in the same kind of decision making process in the school setting as teachers 114  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENEBAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CЕВАТЕ 81st Legislative Day are. To say : that have October 18, 1983 nurses are trained as teachers are comparable training, is not true. They trained, or have done, unless they have gone and obtained a teaching degree, and then they're in a different category. I would also point out that this is another example of the General Assembly taking awa away sone of the authority of the local school boards. The local school boards now can decide what and where they will... what they will pay and where they will place nurses on a salary schedule or if, in fact, they place them Op a salary schedule at all. That's their decision. This, in fact, erodes that local responsibility. And it's for those two reasons, Mr. Speaker, and those two reasons only, that I rise in opposition to this Motion."

"Further discussion? There being DODE, Representative Kirkland to close."

"Thank you. Just to reiterate, the point was made earlier that this Bill would cost state soney. It does not cost state money. We admit, and it was known when it was voted out of here before that this is... will affect local i payment of certified school nurses. It will force thcse few districts who refuse to pay their schccl nurses... certified school nurses for the training and experience that they've gotten similar to and greater than their certified school teachers. It will fcice those districts to pay them the same that they have agreed to pay the teachers, and I think that's only fair, and I ask that this veto be overridden. Thank you." Speaker Greiman: i i "The question is, 'Shall Bouse Eill 74.3 pass, the veto of the Governor notwithstanding. All those in favor signify by voting "aye", those opposed vote 'nay'. Voting is now open. Have all voted whc wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Motion, there are 68 voting aye", 38 voting 'nc", 2 voting 115  81st Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE October 18, 1983 "present", and the Motion fails. On the Order of Total Veto Motions appears House Bill 791. The Gentleman from Jackson, Representative Richmond."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 791 provides that landowners who enter into soil conservation agreements with soil and water conservation districts Day receive tax credits up to 10 percent cf the expenditure for soil erosion control measures. It authorizes... These projects are authorized and set up by the Department of Agriculture. The Governor, among other things, said in his vetc message, said that this additional tax item would complicate a tax law that is currently easy to administer and understand. He is making that statement as if this were the cnly change that has been contemplated, in fact, the only one that he's considered in his veto actions, and certainly, that isn't true. There are other areas that have set precedent. Eut with his veto, he shows his continued lack of support for increasing soil and water conservation efforts. Whenever we consider that there's 11.7 tons per acre yes, tons per acre per year of our valuable topsoil going down the Mississippi River and winding up... down in the Gulf of Mexico, and that half of our topscil in... over the last hundred years has disappeared, and at the rate we're going, within the next 50 years, the remaining seven or eight inches that averages in this area will be gone. This is not just a farm problem. It's a problem for everyone in Illinois and in th this nation. In fact, in the world, because we do furnish so much of the food that is necessary for the rest of humanity throughout the world. And so therefore, it is a serious problem. Alsc, those of you who think that the farm problem in this instance doesn't apply to you because you live in an urban area, let me point cut 116  31st Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENEBAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIFTION CEBATE October 18, 1983 that the silt... the silt that washes into ycur drinking water is costing you a lot of money to remove it, and the impurities... and silting in of our reservoirs is a very serious problem.. So, I would ask you to support me in this Motion tc... for this Bill to pass, irregardless of the Governor's action."

"Is there any discussion on the Botion? The Gentleman from Kendall, Mr. Eastert." lastert: "Mㄷ. Speaker, Ladies and Gentleren of the House, I'd just like to remind the Members of this Eody that this Bill has a very grave fiscal impact on the revenue of the State of Illincis. It's an incone tax credit. It is a... certainly a very large deduction against the Boney coming into the State of Illincis. It's a deduction on... that sometimes is already collected, such as the fuel taxes that have abatements already. I think it's a... nct a prudent Bill to pass at this time, and certainly, those people who have concerDS about water conservation and scil conservation, I think there might be a letter way than the enactment of this Pill."

"Further discussion? The Gentleman from McLean, Mr. Hopp." copp: "Thank you, Hr. Speaker and Members of the House. I'm sure that everyone is familiar with the Bill that we've passed in the last several years dealing with soil conservation. This particular Bill, though I'm not... though I am in full support of the idea that there will be SOME tax credit given, but first of all, in order to get that tax credit, you're going to have to spend money. The farmer's going to have to spend money to provide for the grass waterways, the sod dams and sc forth, and under the current economy. I don't see that anybody's going to do that. There certainly isn't going to be the tax loss that has been indicated, if 117  81st Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCEIPTION CEBATE October 18, 1983 you don't spend the money. And in order to comply with the federal standards that we are to begin to become involved with, soil conservation-wise, I think there's going to have to be some incentive. This is a small incentive to encourage farmers to get involved in scil conservation. If we're not in a position to at least cffer SOME modest incentive, such as being introduced by this Bill, we're not going to really comply with the statutes as we now have on our books. Secondly; we're going to see more and more of our precious topsoil erode, both wind-bise and water-wise, and I think that we ought to give sore consideration to beginning a reasure to which we can lend some support. Without this, without some measure of concern, we're not going to see cur soil conservation program really become a fact of life and the preservation of our Lost natural resource that we have, our soil here in Illincis."

"Further discussion? There being none, the question is, Shall House Bill 791 tass, the veto of the Governor notwithstanding?" All those in favor signify by voting 'aye", those opposed vote nay. Voting is DOW open. This is final passage. Rave all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Motion, there are 72 voting 'aye", 36 voting 'nay", and the Gentleman from DuPage, Mr. Hoffman, for what purpose dc you arise?"

"I rise to request a verification of the "aye vote."

"The Gentleman from DuFage requests a verification of the affirmative vote. The Gentleman from Jackson requests a Poll of the Absentees, and on that, the Clerk will poll the absentees."

"Poll of the Absentees. Bowman. an. Currie. Greiman."

"Bowman, aye'. Greiman, aye'. Froceed, Mr. Clerk." 118  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENEBAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CЕБАТЕ 81st Legislative Day

"Huff. Jaffe. Levin and Zuick."

"Levin, 'aye*." lerk Leone: "Nc further." Octcber 18, 1983 peaker Greiman: "Mr. Clerk, proceed to the verification of the Affirmative. By the way, Mr. Hoffman, do you persist in your request? You do. Froceed in the verification of the Affirmative Boll Call. Mr. Kirkland votes 'aye... votes 'no'. Mr. Cullerton votes 'aye'. as. Koehler, for what purpose do you rise? Ms. Koehler vctes 'no". Mr. Clerk, proceed to verify the Affirmative Ecll."

"Poll of the Affirmative. Alexander."

"Representative Neff. Representative Seff, are they intimidating you? Mr. Neff. Turn on Mr. Neff."

""Aye to 'nc"."

"Ar. Neff goes froz aye to no. MI Vinson, nove away from Mr. Neff's desk. Acy, Mr. Clerk, there are... Would you give us a ccunt?"

"73 'aye" to 39 nay"." peaker Greiman: "Would you now proceed to verify the affirmative vote?"

"Poll of the Affirmative. Alexander. Berrios. Bowman. Braun. Breslin. Brookins. Erummer. Brunsvold. Bullock. Capparelli. Christensen. Cullerton. Curran. DeJaegher. CiPrima. Domicc. Doyle. John Dunn. Farley. Flinn. Giglio. Giorgi. Greisan."

"Excuse me, Mr. Leone. MI. Dunn? ΜΕ Dunn votes 'aye'. That's Mr. Balph Dunn. Froceed, Mr. Leone."

"Continuing with the Poll cf the Affirmative. Kannig. Hicks, Homer. Keane. Kıska. Kulas. Laurino. LeFlore."

"Excuse me. Leave to verify Mr. Slape. Mr. Hoffman? Alright. Ms. Braun? Yes, Ms. Markette?" Markétte: "May I have leave to be verified?" 119  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 81st Legislative Day October 18, 1983

"May Ms. Markette have leave to be verified? Thank you. This is early in your career, sc they'll be nice to you. Froceed."

"Continuing with the Poll cf the Affirmative. Leverenz. Levin. Markette. Marzuki. Matijevich. Mautino. McGann.. McMaster. Mulcahey. Nash. Chlinger.. O'Connell. Panayotovich. Pangle. Pierce. Frestcn. Rea. Rhem. Rice. Richmond. Ronan. RoFF. Ryder. Saltsman. Satterthwaite. Shaw. Slape. Steczc. Stuffle. Taylor. Terzich. Turner. Van Duyne. Vitek. Maite. White. Winchester. Wolf. Woodyard. Younge. Yourell and Mr. Speaker."

"Questions of the Affirmative Foll? Mr. Hoffman."

"Mr. Speaker, what is the count?"

"The count is 74 aye.... " offman: "Thank you."

"... And 39 'nc'." offman: "Representative Breslin."

"Representative Ereslin. She is in front of Mr. Brummer." offman: "Thank you. Representative Caffarelli."

"Mr. Capparelli is in his seat." ..ffman: "Representative Christensen."

"Mr. Christensen? Mr. Christensen in tbe chamber? How is Mr. Christensen recorded?"

"The Gentleman is recorded as voting 'aye'."

"Бemove him from the Boll." ..offman: "Bepresentative Bullock."

"Bepresentative Bullock. Is Representative Bullock in the chamber? How is the Gentleman recorded?"

"The Gentleman is recorded as vcting 'aye."

"Bemove the Gentleman from the Roll Call." 120  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF BEPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DЕВАТЕ dlst Legislative Day

"Bepresentative Kıska." October 18, 1983

"Mr. Bullock has returned. Add him back to the Roll Call. Proceed, Mr. Hoffman." offman: "Representative Krska."

"Ar. Krska. IS MI. KIska in the chamber? How is Mr. Krska recorded?"

"The Gentleman is recorded as voting 'aye'."

"Remove Mr. Krska from the Roll Call."

"bepresentative Leverenz?"

"Representative Leveren2 is right here in the chamber."

"Fine. Thank you. Representative Lautino."

"Representative Hautino? is at the Fage desk." "Representative Satterthwaite." Hoffman: peaker Greizan: Representative Nautino "MI Satterthwaite. Is Bepresentative Satterthwaite in the chauber? Mr. (sic MIS.) Satterthwaite. How is Mrs. Satterthwaite recorded?"

"The Lady is recorded as voting 'aye'."

"Then remove Mrs. Satterthwaite." ..offman: "Representative Preston."

"Representative Preston. Representative Freston is in the chamber, at Mr. Ronan's desk." offman: "Bepresentative... Sepresentative Terzich?" peaker Greiman: "Representative Tezzich is in the Fages' pew.." offman: "Representative Yourell?"

"Bepresentative Ycurell. Representative Yourell is right here at the well." offman: "Bepresentative Laurino?"

"Representative Laurino is at my desk."

"Bepresentative Buff?"

"Representative recorded as voting." Buff. Mr. Huff has not been 121  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 81st Legislative Day October 18, 1983

"I'm sorry. Representative LeFlore?"

"Fardon?"

"Bepresentative LeFlore?" peaker Greiman: "Bepresentative LeFlore is in his chair." ..offman: "Representative Comico."

"Eepresentative Dcmico is at the well." offman: "Representative Farley."

"Бepresentative Farley. Is Bepresentative Farley in the chamber? HOW is Bepresentative Farley recorded?" lerk Leone: "The Gentleman is recorded as voting 'aye."

"Remove Bepresentative Farley." offman: "Bepresentative Ralph Dunn." peaker Greiman: "Representative Dunn. Is Bepresentative Balch Dunn in the chamber? How is Bepresentative Dunn recorded? Representative Ralph Dunn."

"The Gentleman is recorded as vcting "aye"."

"Remove Representative Dunn from the Roll Call." ..offman: "No further questions." peaker Greiman: "On this Motion, there are 69 voting 'aye', 39 'no', 1 'present', and the Motion fails. On the Order of Total Veto Motions appears House Bill 799. The Gentleman from Lake, Representative Matijevich."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, House Bill 799 is the state police collective bargaining Eill. I want to tell the Members that a few of you have talked to me on both sides of the aisle and have SODE legitimate concerns with the Fill in its present fcrm. And you've told me that you don't want to be recorded as voting against a collective bargaining Bill for state police, and I respect your legitimate concerns. I'm not going to call the vote because of that. We've all received a well written memo from Al Bennett which cutlines the fact that 122  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENEGAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF BEPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 81st Legislative Day Octcber 18, 1983 they do not feel that the Department cf Law Enforcement, through their Director, have included ther in the process where they could have been in a collective bargaining Bill. I... As I say, I'm not going to call the Bill, but I would implore the Department and the Director and all concerned that this day forward, that we try to work for a legitimate collective bargaining Bill for the state police. And with that, Speaker and Members of the house, 1 am not going call my Motion, and I appreciate the concerns that you Members on both sides of the aisle have. I know that in the future, we will have a collective bargaining Bill. He need one for the state and 1 appreciate your support in the future." pclice, Mr. to

Matijevich. The leave for Speaker Greiman: "Thank you, withdrawal of your Motion to cverride. Does the Gentleman have leave? The Gentleran has leave, and the Motion is withdrawn. On the Order of Total Veto Motions appears House Bill 835, the Gentleman from Lake, Bepresentative Matijevich. 835."

"Yes, House... " MI Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the

Just One moment. Speaker Greiman: "Excuse De. Mr. Matijevich. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, we've been here for a while, and understandably a little restless. If you could give Representative Matijevich your attention, ИЄ don't have a long time to go. It sould be appreciated. Thank you. Representative Matijevich, proceed."

"Yes, Members... Speaker and Bembers of the House, House Bill 835 is a Bill which is a 25 year increment longevity Bill for the state police. The Governor vetoed the Bill, but strangely, left the monies intact in the... which we appropriated for the Eill, in the ancunt cf $277,461 for half-year funding of the increment Bill. I 123  11st Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE Octcber 18, 1983 have filed the override Mction, and I would G MOVE that House Bill 835 pass, notwithstanding the Governor's veto, and I would appreciate your support of it." ¡peaker Greiman: "Is there any discussion on the Motion? There being none, the question is, Shall House Eill 835 pass, the veto of the Governor notwithstanding?" A11 those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'nay". Voting is now open. Have all voted whc wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Motion, there are 87 voting 'aye", 26 voting "no', none voting 'present'; and this Eill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed, the veto of the Governor notwithstanding. On the Order of MI Total Veto Motions appears House Bill 932. The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Sonan. Mr. Bonan, 932. Mr. Bonan."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. House Bill 932, I move to... to override the Governor's veto."

"Is there any discussion on the Motion? Yes, the Gentleman from DuPage, Mr. Eoffman."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I would direct ycur attention to ycur analysis of this Bill. I think it's very clear that local school districts, park districts and any other governmental units that are interested сад enter intc community education program and to direct the State Board of Education to get any more involved with this than they are, dilutes the already limited resources of the State Ecard of Education to address themselves to Sage of the kind of tests that we place before the schools with the... for example, legislation of Representative Ereslin's that went out of the House today. And it's for that... for that reason that I support the position on the Governor on this legislation." 124  STATE OF ILLINGIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 81st Legislative Day October 18, 1983

"Mr. Bopp, were you seeking recognition? The Gentleman from McLean. Mr. Bopp?"

"Mr. Speaker, I did not have that sheet in my book, and I was going to ask some questions as to what it did. The previous Representative so indicated what it... what it is inclined to do, and I'm well taken care of. Thank you."

"Is there further discussion? There being none, Representative Honan to close."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I disagree with the comments made by the previous speaker. This legislation was brought to me by the Community Education Association. All it does, it allows the system to develop where... where there can be greater cooperation in a local area between the educational community and the various cther public todies, and I move for the override of the Governor's vetc.

"The guestion is, Shall Eouse Eill 932 pass, the veto of the Governor notwithstanding? All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'nay'. Voting is now open. Have all vcted whc wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Bonau. The Gentleman requests a Poll of the Absentees."

"Poll of the Absentees. Davis. Jaffe and McAuliffe. Nc further."

"Accordingly, on this Motion, there are 68 voting 'aye', 45 voting... Mr. Davis votes 'no'. 68 voting 'aye', 46 voting 'no', 2 voting 'present', and the Motion fails. On the Order of Total Veto Motions appears House Bill 1032. The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Taylor."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Mesters of the House. I'm not going to take much time on this Bill, because I think this Bill is one that is good for all of us. In the Governor's total veto message, he sentioned the fact that 125  81st Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSENELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE October 18, 1983 this would cost the State of Illincis somewhere betreen... between the areas of five million and seven million dollars if this particular program was instituted throughout the State of Illincis in the 20th police district. This is a komb disposal unit, and what I... what was intended by this legislation was to have one unit in this particular area where this Capitol complex is located at, because in years gone past since I've been in this cuse, there have been many threats of bombs... of bomb threats here in the State Capitol. We do not have an effective kçub disposal unit here. The Secretary of State's Office does not have it. The State Police does not have it, and the United States Army is not serving this area. And the only area that was given some help to this area was in Champaign, and that is no longer in existence. Mr. Speaker, I think that this is a good Bill. I think the Governor was wrong in his veto message. I suggest that we override it and make certain that this one district here. It is permissive legislation, and I think that this State Capitol should be protected, and this police district should request the use of that bomb disposal unit. I solicit your support for House Bill 1032"

"Is there any discussion on the Motion? The Gentleman from DeWitt, Mr. Vinsco."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I have, again with great reluctance, to rise and oppose a Bill that would create a desirable program. But I wonder whether we can take five to seven million dollars at this time from education, cr from a strapped public aid budget, or from mental health. Chvicusly, we can't. Ke don't have the money there to do it, because the state is in such a tight fiscal situation. If the Gentleman would come back in with this Bill, would withdraw his Motion now 126  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCEIPTION DEBATE 81st Legislative Day October 18, 1983 and соме back in with this Bill next spring when the economic revival has continued for several months, and when, in a new fiscal year, the state is going to be in much better shape, I think I could probably even not cnly vote for it, but join him in sponsoring this kind of Bill, because it is a desirable program. Eut at this time, I not quite sure that we should appropriate five to seven million dollars for bomb disposal when we really need to be about the business of preserving the essential services of education and mental health. And fcr those reasons, I would urge a 'no" vote and reguest a verification, should it get the requisite number."

"The Gentleman from Cook, ČI. Piel."

"Thank you, MI Speaker. Will the Gentleman yield for a guestion, please?"

"He indicates that he will."

"Representative Taylor, was the accompanying appropriation on this Bill vetoed?"

"It was not an accompanying appropriation. It's going into the Department of Law Enforcement."

"I... With the noise level, I'm not sure if I heard you right. There's no accompanying appropriation?"

"There were no accompanying appropriations, Mr. Piel. The request was for this to be placed in the Department of Law Enforcement which is in existence and have an appropriation today."

"Okay. Well, what were you planning on doing, I mean, if this Bill were to pass, and we're sitting here with a five to seven million dollar cost to the state? Are ycu planning on taking it out of another area of the Department of Law Enforcement?"

"NO, I think that you are wrong in your analysis of what the Governor's intent was. He said, in his message, that 127  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 81st Legislative Day October 18, 1983 it could cost that. It is permissive legislation. If every district in the State of Illincis requested that, then yes, we would have that problem of five to seven million. The only thing that I'm interested in is in one district, and that's the district that this Capitol complex is located in, and I grant you that it would not cost more than $500,000 in order to get this unit working properly."

"I understand your concern, Representative. The only question that I have, and I hope you understand my concern, if this does - and what you have to do is look at it statewide as if this does cost five to seven million dollars - where is the money going to come from? And, you know, without an accompanying appropriation, it seems sort of ridiculous to have a Bill without an accompanying appropriation and say it's only going to cost $500,000. Still, we do not have the $500,000 allocated, so you're putting together a program without any accompanying appropriation. I would ask the Members of the House to think about this seriously before they vote for the Motion. Thank you."

"Further discussion? Further discussion? Representative Taylor to close."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. When you are talking about the appropriation and where the money's going to come from, I have been in this House long enough to know that the Governor himself put on 60 investigators where there were no appropriations at all. I don't think that this Bill here will cause that great of an effect for us to be able to find $500,000 in the Department of law Enforcement in some of the slush funds that they have. I do suggest that you support this piece of legislation. It's not a five to seven million dollar Bill. It could be, but it's not that. It will only cost you about $500,000 to put one or two men 128  STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 81st Legislative Day October 18, 1983 to work and make certain that this Capitol complex is properly ta. taken care of. I solicit your support for Senate Bill... House Bill 1032."

"The question is, 'Shall house Bill 1032 pass, the veto of the Governor notwithstanding?" All those in favor signify by voting aye", those opposed vote "no". Voting is пси open. Have all voted who wish? Rave al1 voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. Gn this Motion, there are 60 voting 'aye, 47 voting 'no', none voting 'present', and this Motion fails. On the Order of Total Veto Motions appears House Eill 1337, the Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Keane. Out of the record. On the Crder of Total Veto Motions appears House Eill 1390, the Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Fonan. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bill Total Veto Motions appears fouse Bill 1503, MI. White, the Gentleman from Cock. The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. White. Catch your breath and proceed."

"Mr. Speaker.... "

"Proceed, Mr. White."

"Mr. Speaker and ladies and Gentlemen cí the House, Dow that I've regained part of my breath. This Bill deals with physical education, which is very important to not only the kids in the State of Illinois, but those who were, at one time, a part of the system. I rise in cpposition to the Governor's veto of House Bill 1503. And the Fill basically says this, that a school district is awarded or provided with a maximum of three waivers, and that after the third waiver, they are not in the position to receive any more. And I ask this Body to join with me to make sure that the young people in the State of Illinois are provided with the physical education program that is Bandated by us in the General Assembly aud by the people of the State of Illinois." 129  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF BEPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CЕВАТЕ 81st Legislative Day

"Is there any discussion? Octcber 18, 1983 There being none, the question is, 'Shall House Eill 1503 pass, the veto of the Governor notwithstanding?" All those in favor signify by voting 'aye, those opposed vote 'Day'. Voting is now open. This is final action. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk... Mr. Clerk, take the record. Mr... The Gentleman from Cook... The Gentleman from Cook asks for a Poll of the Absentees. Fight?"

"Poll of the Absentees. Dwight Friedrich. Jaffe and Winchester."

"Friedrich votes 'no'. On this Motion, there are 70 voting 'aye", 41 voting "nc", 5 voting 'present'; and this Bill, having failed to receive a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared lost.. Cn the Order of Total Veto Motions appears House Eill 1526, the Gentleman from Out of the record. On the Crder cf Ictal Veto Motions appears House Bill 1557, the Lady from Kane, Ms. Zwick. Do you wish to proceed, Ms. Zwick?"

"Yeah. Yes, please, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. House Bill 1557 was voted cut of the House on an almost unanimous vote, I believe. There vere only a few dissenting votes. It was a Eill that I had introduced in response to sore problems in my district concerning the return of surety bonds that were posted by businesses with the Department of Bevenue in anticipation of collection cf sales tax revenues from the businesses. What was happening is, that after a final determination was made after a business had closed for any cпе cf various reasons, the surety band, after final determination, is supposed to be made to the cwner of the business. And apparently, many of these businesses in the area that I represent WELE complaining tc me because the money was not being returned to them in a timely fashion. I introduced the Fill and it 130  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCEIFTION DEBATE 81st Legislative Day did receive Octcber 18, 1983 some... much support from the business community, because it would set a tire limit, a 30 day time limit for return by the Department of Revenue after final determination was made and there were no more outstanding issues between the state and the business, that the money must be returned to the business in 30 days. The Govεςιος vetoed the Bill. I happen to think that there's a misunderstanding. He says that it will be a revenue loss to the state and has reccomended to the Department of Revenue that they return this money in a timely fashion, rather than to sign my Bill and say that they must return the money to the business, whose acney it is. I am asking for an override of the Governor's veto sq that the roney can be returned to the rightful owner, which would be the owner of the business, and I would appreciate your support and would be glad to answer any questions."

"Is there any discussion on the Botion? On the Motion, the Gentleman from Kankakee, Mr. Fangle."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise in favor of the override... veto override. I have the same problem within my district. We've had a lot of businesses close. In fact, QUE unemployment rate's over 20 percent. We have a lot of small businesses that are still presently waiting for their return. I rise in the... in favor of the override."

"Further discussions? There being Done, the question is, 'Shall this Bill... Shall House Fil1 1557 pass, the veto of the Governor notwithstanding?" All those in favor signify by voting aye', those opposed vote 'nay'. Voting is now open. This is final actico. Beal action. Have all voted who wish? Have all vcted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Motion, there are 110 voting aye", none voting no, 1 voting present'; and 131  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOOSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCEIFTION DEBATE 81st Legislative Day this Bill... Octcber 18, 1983 and this Motion, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed, the Governor's veto notwithstanding. On the Order of Total Veto Motions appears House Bill 1753. The Gentleman from Hardin, Mr. Winchester."

"Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I would ROVE that we override the total veto... the Governor's total veto of House Bill 1753. 1753 amends the existing Motor Vehicles Franchise Act in a number of provisions to further balance out the unequal relationship between auto manufacturers and dealers. The Governor vetoed this Bill in its entirety with its 10 or so provisions, but he exercised his veto power based on his belief that one provision in the Bill - the definition of 'relevant market area' - will prevent this type... will prevent the type of price and service competition of Bost benefit to consumers. I would argue that the Governor's conclusion, though at first apparently reasonable, is not really correct. First; the Bill dces not absolutely preclude the manufacturer from putting another DEW dealership into the franchise area ΟΣ an existing dealership or from relocating another existing dealership into that franchise area. It must be read along with the present law which provides procedures for challenging the decision to relocate. The Fill simply accounts... amounts to giving the existing dealer an opportunity to notice and a chance to argue before a court or arbitration panel. It really requires a manufacturer to prove that the market can support another dealership before he transfers in another competing dealer. And I would ask for a favorable vote."

"Is there any discussion on the Motion? Reing none, the question is, 'Shall House Eill 1753 pass, the veto of the Governor notwithstanding?" All those in favor 132  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 81st Legislative Day October 18, 1983 signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'nay'. Voting is now open. This is final action. Eave all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Er. Clerk, take the record. On this Motion, there are 95 voting 'aye', 14 voting 'no', 3 voting 'present'; and this Ection, having received a Constitutional Majority... the Bill is bereby declared passed, the veto of the Governor notwithstanding. On the Order cf Total Veto Motions affears House Bill 2008. The Lady from Champaign, Mrs. Satterthwaite."

"Mr. Speaker and Members of the Bouse, I LOVE to override the Governor's veto on House Bill 2008. The purpose of the Bill is to be an assistance in collecting monies due the state, particularly from the public aid recipients who die but have an Estate available for recapture of some funds to the state. The experience seems to be that the system currently does not function in an appropriate fashion to provide a timely notification for the Attorney General's Assistants out in the fields to be in court at the time a hearing is held fcr probate of that estate. It is my feeling that if these notices were sent and distributed to the regional workers of the Attorney General's Office, that in many cases, they will be alert to the time when that probate action is taking place, will be there in a timely fashion to try to regain the попеу that the state is owed from the estate of that deceased person. And for that reason, I would ask for ycur support in a Motion to override the Governor's seto of House Bill 2008."

"Is there any discussion? The Lady from Cock, Ms. Topinka."

"Yes. May 1 ask a question of the Sponsor, please?"

"Indicates that she'll accept... yield for a question."

"I'm just curious. Don't you think that this Eill in 133  81st Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CERATE October 18, 1983 general, including your coming back on this, wight wzeak kind of a problem for public aid recipients at a time they might be in very sore straights as it is?"

"Representative, this would only apply to deceased public aid recipients. If they have left an estate on which the state has a lien, there is an appropriate expectation that the state sould recapture scme of the money that had been provided for the support of that person. The problem is that if the Estate is already settled before the paperwork catches up and before the case worker... the field worker is aware that the case is being heard that day, they are not in court in a timely fashion. This would simply be ancther rcute of giving the notification so that they could be there in court and gain for the state the money that is rightfully the state's."

"The Gentleman frco DeFitt, Mr. Vinson."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker. Hill the Gentleman... Will the Sponsor yield for a question?"

"The Lady indicates she will."

"Representative, I had to step off the floor for a second to speak to a constituent, and I didn't... I don't know if anybody has asked this question yet. Eut, is the purpose behind this that the Attorney General feels that public aid recipients are dying in order to defraud the Fublic Aid Department?"

"NO, Sir, Representative Vinson. Nobody is claiming any fraud at all in relationship to this Bill. The problem is a bottleneck in the system where the notification to the worker for the Attorney General out in a particular county, that notification to try to be in court with a claim on behalf of the Department of Public Aid is not coming through in a timely fashion. If there were another route for notifications sc that the Attorney 134  81st Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIFTION LEEATE Octcker 18, 1983 General's Office was aware of the death of a public aid recipient, they could be another source of watching for the scheduling of these probate hearings and be there in timely fashion."

"Thank you."

"The Gentleman from Marion, Representative Friedrich."

"Would the Sponsor yield?"

"He indicates he will."

"Are you thinking about, particularly in term of assets, real estate?"

"Yes, primarily, I think that was..."

"Well, my question is, we deal a little bit in real estate. Wouldn't it be necessary, in order to make title to that real estate, for someone to make an affidavit that all the bills had been paid of the deceased?"

"I'm sorry. I'm not sure I caught all of the question."

"In order to make title, in the case of a decedent's property, wouldn't it be necessary for the heirs or someone to make an affidavit that all the bills had been paid before you could make good title to that property?"

"I presume that it would be, but it's much more difficult after a settlement has been made to open up the case again if they are not even aware that there is a claim on behalf of the state to be presented."

"Well, to the Bill. I'm sure that anyone examining the title would require that the bills to the... all the bills of the estate be paid in order to make title. Now, if someone makes a false affidavit, they're committing fraud, and certainly would be subject to prosecution under the existing laws. I can't exactly see what this would solve." 135  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEEATE 81st Legislative Day

"Further discussion? There Satterthwaite to close." Satterthwaite: Octcker 18, 1983 being none, MS. "I would ask for the support of the Members in the override of the veto of House Bill 2008 in order to provide another rechanism for the state to try to collect money that is due to the state but not currently being collected because of a hitch in the process."

"The question is, 'Shall Ecuse Bill 2008 pass, the veto of the Governor notwithstanding?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'nay'. Voting is now open. Final action. Eave all voted who wish? Have all voted whc wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. Ar. Clerk, take the record. Cn this Motion, there are 66 voting 'aye', 44 voting 'nay', 1 voting 'present', and this Motion fails. On the Calendar on page 21 on the Order of Speaker's Table appears Senate Joint Besolution 34. The Gentleman from Franklin, Mr. Bea."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the Ecuse. Senate Joint Resolution 34 requests the Illincis Energy Besources Commission to conduct a study cn the feasibility of marketing Illinois mined coal overseas and elsewhere in the United States and to report its findings back in December of 1983. We feel that this is a... is something that is very important, that WE should be looking more at cur exports of Illincis coal and ways and means of being able to market it, and this passed overwhelmingly out of the Senate, and I would ask for an 'aye' vote here in the Bouse."

"Is there any discussion? There being none, the Gentleman from Franklin moves for the adoption of Senate Joint Resolution 34. All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. Cn this 136  81st Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION LEBATE October 18, 1983 Resolution, there are 112 voting 'aye, none voting 'no', none voting 'present; and the Resolutico is adopted. On the Order of Speaker's Table appears Senate Joint Resolution 35. The Gentleman from Jefferson, Mr. Hicks."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Senate Joint Resolution 35 is simply a measure of requesting the Illinois Commerce Commission to establish a international conference here in Illincis on agriculture, and I would ask for an 'aye' vote on the Bill, and I'd te happy to answer any questions."

"The Gentleman from CeWitt, tr. Vinson."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker. Fill the Sponsor yield?"

"Be indicates he will."

"Did I understand you to say that the Illincis Commerce Commission was requested to create this compact?"

"NO, Sir. The Illincis Commission on Intergovernmental Cooperation."

"What about the Department of Agriculture?"

"Pardon se, Sir. I didn't hear."

"What would be the function cf the Department cf Agriculture?"

"The Resolution calls for the Department of Agriculture to participate in the conference. Gf course, you know they would want to do so."

"Okay. Thank you."

"The Gentleman from McLean, Mr. Ropp."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Just to the Sponsor of this Resolution. We have an organization here in the midwest called Mid-America International Agricultural Trade Council, which I think is in place to do what you're attempting to do. It would seem to me like you'd just want to maybe put a little fire under them rather than to set up a brand new duplicating compact at this tire, and I'm 137  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 81st Legislative Day October 18, 1983 wondering to know why you want to just cause another layer of bureaucracy to duplicate what we're already doing."

"Well, it's my understanding, Sir, that that organization concentrates basically upon developing export markets, and what this conference is is more to develop the markets here and locally here, rather than the export markets."

"You're saying this will do... will deal with local exports? I mean, with products within the midwest?"

"Actually, Sir, it's my understanding that your organization, or the organization you're talking about develops the overseas markets, what we're trying to help the exporters here locally, at this level, to be able to export their product, not develop that market overseas, but to help the exporter here with the development of that."

"Well, it just so happened I led two trade missions to Japan doing exactly what you're trying to do, here."

"I'm sorry, Sir. I didn't hear it."

"About 10 years ago, we did this very thing - led two trade missions to Japan."

"Was it successful then? I hope it would be again."

"Well, I would hope so. I don't know why they just haven't continued to do it."

"Well, I agree, Sir. I think that's good and I hope we see fit to put in place and be able to do that."

"Further discussion? There being none, the Gentleman from DeWitt, Mr. Vinson."

"Inquiry of the Clerk, Mr. Speaker. Has the Resolution been printed and distributed?"

"This was voted out of... cut of the Agriculture Committee on the floor. It's a holdover, Mr. Vinson, from the... from the Spring Session."

"But, has it been printed and distributed?"

"It's not... There's no requirement that it be 138  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF BEPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE October 18, 1983 81st Legislative Day printed and distributed."

"You mean we're voting on... "

"It has been printed, clearly."

"We're voting on something here that hasn't been printed or distributed?"

"It's been... It's been in the Journal and of course, you have Hembers on the Journal Committee, and I assume, read it daily on a daily basis."

"Yeah, but they generally have tc spend SO much time looking for mistakes in the Clerk's Office, that they don't have a chance to read Besolutions."

"Perhaps you should... Well, perhaps you should get sore staff to do that."

"Eut I just wanted to ascertain, it has not been printed and distributed. Is that what... what the response was?"

"That's correct. It Was not. Further discussion?"

"Mr. Speaker?"

"Mr. LeWitt... Mr. Vinson, you still... "

"It's my understanding that the... the rules require that Resolutions be treated the save as Bills, and the Constitution requires the distribution on Members' desks."

"What provision of the rules, Mr. Vinson, are you suggesting?"

"I beg your pardon?"

"What provision in the rules... alright... would you lead my attention to?"

"83-f, I believe. Speaker? Speaker? I misspoke."

"Yes, Mr. Vinson?"

"It's 43-a, which says that each Besclution reported cut of Committee shall be treated in the same manner as a Fill... as a Bill, as provide in Fules 36, 39 and 40."

"Well, alright. Referring to the rules, Bule 36 139  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 81st Legislative Day October 18, 1983 refers to Amendments. Rule 39 refers to the calling of the Bills and the order upon which they Were called, and in this case, Senate Joint Resolution was appropriately called in the appropriate Crder of Eusiness, and 40 relates to Postponed Consideration, and we are not at that point, at this point. Mr. Vinson, anything further ? Mr. Vinson."

"It says... Rule 43 alsc says, 'This subsection may be suspended only as to the assignment cf a Resolution to Committee, but only after the Resolution bas been reproduced and distributed.' If it hasn't been reproduced or distributed, you can't do it."

"That's a... That issue relates, I believe, Mr. Vinson, to... where there is a suspension of the rules to allow immediate consideration. In that case, we obviously believe that the rules speak to the importance or necessity of having a copy of the Resolution on the desk. But where there has been no suspension of the rules requested, as in this case, where it has gone through the normal process, that requirement is not required by Rule 43-a."

"Well, Mr. Speaker, then, could I just ask you to request the Clerk to read the Resolution so that Members do know what they're voting on?"

"Mr. Bicks, so that there Doct be precedent out of this, Mr. Vinson, I believe that my rulings were correct in that it would be perfectly appropriate for us to proceed under the rules. But I think that Br. Hicks wants you to have a fair opportunity...

"Take it out of the record, Mr. Speaker."

"To do that, so we will take this out of the record. I thank you, Mr. Hicks, fcr your consideration fcr Mr. Vinson. We'll stand at ease for a moment or two. While we're waiting, Mr. McGang, the Gentleman from Cook."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would ask if this would be an 140  81st Legislative Day STATE OF IILINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE Octcber 18, 1983 appropriate time. I'd like to request the waiving... the posting requirements for House Bill 1302 to have it heard in Subcommittee, Labor and Commerce, CE Thursday morning. This is a Bill that's been on Interir Study, and I just want to...

11 Speaker Greiman: "Have you... Have you discussed the waiver of the posting rules with the Leadership on both sides?"

"Nc, I have not."

"Well, it probably is a good idea."

"I will, Mr. Speaker. Thank you."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Stec20, for what purpose do you arise?"

"Thank you, Hr. Speaker, for an announcement. The Members of the Counties and Townships Committee may have gotten notices that the Committee was due to meet tomorrowW morning at 9:00. I would like to infcrn the Members of the Committee that that was an error. will reet tomorros at 9:00, so only those people who have been appointed to the Subcommittee for House Bill 1123 need show up." Committee "For A Subcommittee of the Speaker Greiman: what purpose dces the Gentleman from Madison, Bepresentative Wolf, rise?"

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Also for the purposes of an announcement. The Personnel and Fensions Committee will meet at  81st Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCEIFTION DEBATE Octcber 18, 1983 people waiting to have us core in, and SO 1 hope that Committee Members will be prompt in getting to the hearing rocⅡ."

"The Gentleman from Cook, NI. Taylor. For what purpose do you seek recognition, Sir?" Taylor: *工日 Speaker, for the purpose of an announcement. The Committee on Elections will meet promptly at 9:00 tomorrcOW morning. I expect every Member in attendance, please. C-1. Room C-1."

"For what purpose does the Gentleman from Cook, Mr. McGann, seek recognition?"

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have cleared this requirement... waiver re... posting requirement with the other side of the aisle, so I would appreciate if we could waive this posting requirement for House Bill 1302 SO it will be heard in the Labor and Ссвmerce Committee on Thursday morning at 8:30 a.m."

"Mr. McGann, we will check with you in a moment to see whether that Motion's in order, Sir. Mr. McGann, are we correct that you are speaking of House Bill... you are referring to House Bill 13022

"That is correct, Mr. Speaker. It has been in Interim Study. In order to keep the Fill going along, it has to be heard. And it's a... "

"Well, the problem with that is that WE cannot consider... Cur rules provide that upless a Fill gces through the Rules Committee, we cannot consider that. Now, they can have a hearing on it, but we can't consider it, I don't believe, here. But we're... Just kind of hang in for a mcrent. We're check... Here kind of developing a parliamentary position on this. Yes, MI. McGann?"

"We are not asking to have this Fill heard on the floor. It used to be in the Subcommittee, and then it will remain 142  81st Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENEGAL ASSEMEIY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION СЕВАТЕ October 18, 1983 there. It will remain there."

"I understand. I know what you're saying. Right. For what purpose does the Gentleman from DeWitt, Mr. Vinson, seek recognition?"

"Well, Mr. Speaker, it would SEED to ΠΕ that the Gentleman is just asking for the waiving of a posting rule to have a Bill heard in Committee. Be's just trying to keep his Bill alive, and I can't see, you know, why ycu would do something negative to hin in that regard. We certainly support his Notion."

"BI. McGann, it is always the position of the Chair, as you know, to try and acccnıçdate all cf the Members, certainly in keeping their Eills alive. Certainly, a Chairman may provide a posting of a Bill even though ме aze not going tc consider it and could not consider it, so it went to the Rules. Equever, it would be inappropriate, under our rules, for the Bouse to be considering that at this moment. My suggestion to you is that you provide a posting now for... when we return in two weeks from now. That way, you would have your... Your rights under the Interim Study section would be preserved, so the Bill would be sprung, as it WEIE, for next year. You would have had your hearing, but it sould have heen the first or second day in November. That way, we don't do violence to the rules."

"Thank you very much, Speaker. We certainly do not want to violate any rules of the House. Thank you."

"Thank you. Death Resolutions."

"House Resolution 477, Brookins, with respect to the memory of Frank Alexander.' House Resolution 478, Mautino Olson, with respect to the memory of Robert 'Ken' Brown. House Resolution 486, Brookins, with respect to the memory of Mr. Claude 'Buddy Young. ECUSE RESolution 489, 143  STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENEGAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 81st Legislative Day October 18, 198.3 Brookins, with respect to the memory of Cornelius Francis Stanford. House Besolution 5C2, Balgh Dunn, with respect to the memory of Joseph C. Fenn. House Resolution 509, Nash, with respect to the memory of C. Frederick Fotter. House Resolution 510, Nash, with respect to the memory of Louis P. Kuchuris. Rouse Resolution 520, Tuerk and Saltsman, with respect to the memory of Claude J. West. House Joint Resolution 81, DiFrima et al, with respect to the memory of Vincent R. Lucania."

"Representative Giorgi soves for the adoption of the Death Resclutions. All in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed no. The ayes bave it, and the Death Resoluticos are adopted. Death Resolution of former

Member. Clerk O'Brien: "House Besolution 503, Nadigan Daniels."

"would the Membership please rise, please?"

"Whereas the Members of this Legislative Body learned with great and heartielt Scrrow of the recent, sudden death of our former colleague, the Honorable John F. Touhy, and whereas Mr. Touhy, former Speaker of this House of Representatives and Former Chairsan of the State Democrat Central Committee, was a graduate cf Georgetown University and DePaul University Law School; and whereas John F. Touhy was a veteran of the United States Army, serving for four and one-half years during World War II, including more than two years Overseas; and whereas Mr. Touhy was an active member of the Veterans of Foreign Wars and of the Georgetown Club of Chicago; and whereas Mr. Touhy, whose statesmanlike leadership earned him a reputation as one of the greatest political leaders of this state, was first elected to this House in 1948; and whereas Mr. Touhy, whose valuable and noteworthy participation in public life continued a life tradition of service to the 144  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 81st Legislative Day Octcber 18, 1963 City of Chicago and the State of Illincis, was the SCD of John 3. Touhy; and whereas John F. Touhy, who served in this august Body for 22 years was chosen as Minority Rhip in 1963 and was elected Speaker of the House in 1965; and whereas after concluding his distinguished career as a Member of this Chamber, Mr. Touhy served with honor and distinction as Chairman of the State Democrat Central Committee from 1973 to 1982; and thereas, John Touny's integrity, ability and tireless devotion to duty son him unequivocal admiration anó a permanent place in the memcries of associates and friends; and whereas, Mr. Touhy is survived by his wife, Mary, and three daughters, Deborah Sullivan, Nancy and Mary Jacqueline; therefore, be it resolved by the House of Representatives of the 83rd General Assembly of the State of Illincis that we express our heartfelt scrrow at the death of the Honorable Jchn F. Touhy, and that to his family HE extend Gur sincere sympathy; and be it further resolved that a suitable copy of this Freamble and Resclution te presented to Ers. Mary Touhy; and be it further resclved that as a further token of our respect and honor for John F. Touhy, the House cf Representatives stands adjourned upon the conclusion of the reading and adoption of this besolution."

"On the Resclution, the Gentleman from Cook,

Speaker Madigan."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, it is with deep regret that I rise to speak to this Resolution. Mr. Touhy served as a Member of this Body for more than 20 years, and at the end of those 20 years, served in the Democratic Leadership as the Minority Leader and also as the Speaker of the House. Er. Touhy was both a political and personal friend cf mine. I valued his political judgrent and advice, but in many tises I would 145  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 81st Legislative Day October 18, 1983 seek his personal counsel as well. I always found him to be full of spirit and vigor, always prepared for a partisan fight, but yet, at the same time, always prepared to compromise in the best interest of the people of the State of Illinois and in the best interest of the institution of the House of Representatives. For my part, and on behalf of all of the Members of the House, I wish to convey to his family my personal sympathy and condolences for their loss and also for the loss that all of us have suffered."

"Mr. Madigan asks leave that all Members be added as Cosponsors of the Resolution. Does the Gentleman have leave? Leave is granted. Speaker Madigan moves for the adoption of House Resolution 503. All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed... and the House will stand adjourned until the hour of 10:00 tomorrow morning." 146  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSENBLY HOUSE OF REFRESENTATIVES DAILY TRANSCRIPTION OF DEBATE INDEX OCTOBER 18, 1983 PAGE 1 HB-0067 VETO MESSAGE PAGE 10 HB-0084 VETO NESSAGE PAGE 94 HB-0205 VETO MESSAGE PAGE 12 HB-0292 VETO MESSAGE PAGE 13 HB-0312 VETO MESSAGE PAGE 99 HB-0366 VETO MESSAGE PAGE 95 HB-0390 VETO MESSAGE PAGE 14 HB-0441 VETO MESSAGE PAGE 15 HB-0487 VETO MESSAGE PAGE 100 HB-0488 VETO HESSAGE PAGE 102 HB-0488 VETO MESSAGE PAGE 110 HB-0488 OUT OF RECORD PAGE 103 HB-0541 NOTION PAGE 60 HB-0556 BOTION PAGE 61 HB-0564 VETO MESSAGE PAGE 20 HB-0615 VETC HESSAGE PAGE 21 HB-0622 VETO MESSAGE PAGE 24 HB-0643 VETO MESSAGE PAGE 26 HB-0644 VETO MESSAGE PAGE 28 HB-0645 VETO MESSAGE PAGE 32 HB-0657 VETO MESSAGE PAGE 36 HB-0662 VETO MESSAGE PAGE 103 HB-0701 VETO MESSAGE PAGE 38 HB-0720 MOTION PAGE 62 HB-0721 VETO MESSAGE PAGE 38 HB-0743 VETO MESSAGE PAGE 110 HB-0747 VETO MESSAGE PAGE 39 HB-0754 VETO MESSAGE PAGE 40 HB-0791 VETO MESSAGE PAGE 116 HB-0798 VETO MESSAGE PAGE 41 HB-0799 VETO MESSAGE PAGE 122 HB-0835 VETO MESSAGE PAGE 123 HB-0932 VETO BESSAGE PAGE 124 HB-0960 VETO MESSAGE PAGE 42 HB-0963 HOTION PAGE 63 HB-1024 VETO MESSAGE PAGE 45 HB-1032 VETO NESSAGE PAGE 125 HB-1170 VETO MESSAGE PAGE 46 HB-1179 VEIO HESSAGE PAGE 47 HB-1179 VETO MESSAGE PAGE 50 HB-1179 OUT OF RECORD PAGE 49 HB-1205 MCTION PAGE 67 HB-1323 VETO MESSAGE PAGE 49 HE-1386 VETO MESSAGE PAGE 58 HB-1388 VETO MESSAGE PAGE 59 HB-1503 VETO MESSAGE PAGE 129 HB-1557 VETO MESSAGE PAGE 130 HB-1599 VETO MESSAGE PAGE 60 HB-1613 SOTION PAGE 68 HB-1683 VETO MESSAGE PAGE 30 HB-1703 VETO MESSAGE PAGE 87 HB-1707 VETO MESSAGE PAGE 87 HB-1753 VETO NESSAGE PAGE 132 HB-1788 VETO MESSAGE PAGE 88 HB-1881 VETO MESSAGE PAGE 89 HB-1925 VETO MESSAGE PAGE 90 HB-1972 VETO MESSAGE PAGE 90 HB-1982 NOTION PAGE 73 HB-2008 VETO MESSAGE PAGE 133 HB-2014 MOTION PAGE 70 HB-2065 VETO MESSAGE PAGE 91 HB-2085 VETO MESSAGE PAGE 92 НБ-2110 VETO HESSAGE PAGE 93 HB-2111 VETO MESSAGE PAGE 93 SP-0546 NOTION PAGE 74  01/20/84 10:29 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES DAILY TRANSCRIPTION OF DEBATE INDEX OCTOBER 18, 1983 PAGE 2 SB-0668 MOTION PAGE 75 SB-1153 MOTION PAGE 77 SB-1206 MOTION PAGE 73 HR-0390 MOTION PAGE 82 HR-0390 ADOPTED PAGE 86 HR-0503 ADOPTED PAGE 146 HR-0503 RESOLUTION OFFERED PAGE 144 HJR-0068 MOTION PAGE 80 HJR-0068 ADOPTED PAGE 81 SJR-0034 ADOPTED PAGE 136 SJR-0035 ADOPTED PAGE 137 SJR-0035 OUT OF RECORD PAGE 140 SUBJECT MATTER HOUSE TO ORDER - SPEAKER MADIGAN PRAYER - SISTER BERNADETT NCHANIGAL PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE ROLL CALL FOR ATTENDANCE OATH OF OFFICE - REPRESENTATIVE MARKETTE INTRODUCTION OF REPRESENTATIVE RYDER RECESS HOUSE RECONVENES - REP. MATIJEVICH IN CHAIR COMMITTEE REPORT AGREED RESOLUTIONS REPRESENTATIVE GREIMAN IN CHAIR DEATH RESOLUTIONS ADJOURNMENT PAGE 1 PAGE 1 PAGE 2 PAGE 2 PAGE 2 PAGE 3 PAGE 6 PAGE 6 PAGE 6 PAGE 7 PAGE 36 PAGE 143 PAGE 146