Illinois House Floor Debate — October 20, 1983

"The House will come to order. House will come to order, the Members will be in their seats. The Chaplain for today will be Father Anthony Tzortzis, Pastor of St. Anthony's Church in Springfield. Father Tzortzis is a guest of Representative Steve Nash."

"In the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, Amen. Glory to Thee, Our God. Glory to Thee. Oh, Heavenly King and Comforter, the Spirit of Truth, Who art everywhere present and feelest all things, the treasury of the blessings and Giver of life. Come and dwell in the hearts and in the mind of our State Representatives and all loyal officers of our government, of our county. Purify them from every stain, and Thy goodness save their souls. Amen."

"We will be led in the Pledge of Allegiance by Representative Bopp."

"I pledge allegiance to the flag cf the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

"Roll Call for Attendance. 115 Members answering the Roll Call, a quorum is present. Representative Greiman, do you have any excused absences? Representative Hastert, do you know if there are any excused absences on the Republican side? Okay. Thank you. Introduction and First Readings."

"House Bill 2323, Braun, a Bill for an Act to amend the Code of Civil Procedure. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2324, Ropp - John Dunn and Wolf, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Vehicle Code. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2325, Ronan, a Bill for an Act to create the Illinois Infrastructure Bank Act. First 1  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 83rd Legislative Day Reading of the Bill. October 20, 1983 House Bill 2326, Shaw, a Bill for an Act to amend the Counties Act. First Reading of the Bill."

"Agreed Resolutions. Representative Greiman in the Chair."

"House Resolution 517, Topinka: 522, DiPrima: 523, Rea; 525, Stuffle. House Joint Resolutions 88, Ebbesen; 89 DiPrima; 90, DiPrima: 91, DiPrima; 92, DiPrima; 93, DiPrima; 94, DiPrima; 95, DiPrima; 96, DiPrima. And Senate Joint Resolutions 58, Hoffman; and 59, DiPrima."

"The Gentleman from Winnebago, Mr. Giorgi."

"Mr. Speaker, House Resolution 517, by Topinka, tells us of 75 years of General Motors' contribution to the nation. 522, by DiPrima, lauds the choosing of Anthony J. Fornelli the man of the year for the Justinian Society. 523, by Rea, notes that the #1 squadron in the nation is the... the Franklin County Civil Air Patrol. #2? 525, by Stuffle, congratulates Miss Shannon Berland on being selected Miss Teen of Illinois. Ebbesen congratulates Thomas Nash for president of the U.S. Jaycees. DiPrima honors the commander joiner of the Disabled American Veterans. DiPrima lauds the Montclair Laden Post. DiFrima heralds Margaret Green. DiPrima notes that the Vietnam Amvets had their convention. DiPrima tells us that the Veterans of Foreign Wars are holding a conclave. DiFrima tattles that the Disabled American Veterans are doing something in Collinsville. DiPrima reported that the American Legion Auxiliary met. And DiPrima finally records that the Board of Veterans Appeals of the Veterans Administration is observing its 50th anniversary. Mahar wants the School Problems Commission to study merit pay plans of master teachers - that's Senate Joint, handled by Hoffman in the House. And DiPrima again congratulates Charles Jarasek, which is Rock, Senate Joint 59, and I move for the adoption 2  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 83rd Legislative Day October 20, 1983 of the ponderous Agreed Celebrations."

"The Gentleman from Winnebago has moved for the adoption of the Agreed Resolutions. All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it and the Resolutions are adopted. General Resolutions."

"House Resolution 521, DiPrima; and House Resolution 524, Shaw."

"Death Resolutions."

"House Resolution 521, DiFrima, with respect to the memory of Floyd Keith Arnold; and Bouse Resolution 524, Shaw, with respect to the memory of Mrs. McGlorie MIS. Matilda McGlorie."

"Representative Giorgi moves for the adoption of the Death Resolutions. All in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'nay'. The 'ayes' have it, and the Resolutions are adopted. On page 12 of the Calendar, on the Order of Amendatory Veto Motions, appears House Bill 186, Representative Giorgi. Representative Giorgi on 186."

"Mr. Speaker, this is the Bill that we moved a couple times yesterday to accept the amendatory veto of the Governor's, and Bepresentative Vinson asked that... what amendatory veto did. The most important thing is that the wrong Motion was filed, and I must put in the record the number of the... the number of the right... In other words, the wrong Motion was filed, and the wrong Motion was placed on the Members' desks, so if they went home with that Motion, it would be erroneous. So that was corrected, and the new LEB number is, on the correct Motion, IRB 8301-851-BDGW... JWAMU. That's the wrong... That's the right Motion. Oh. It's such an important Bill that it must be meticulously correct. So, what this does, it makes the Industrial Commission responsible for administration of 3  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENEBAL ASSENELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 83rd Legislative Day October 20, 1983 the new self-insurers insolvency fund. The original Bill placed the responsibility in the hands of the Department of Insurance. Then, second; the veto message provides that no monies may be spent out of the fund until the Industrial Commission has determined that a bankrupt company's securities, surety funds and insurance policies have been exhausted. Other than that, everything's kosher, and I'd like to move for the adoption of the Motion."

"The Gentleman from Winnebago has moved the... to accept the Governor's amendatory veto. On that question, is there any discussion? Okay. There being none, the question is, 'Shall the House accept the Governor's specific recommendations for change with respect to House Bill 186 by the adoption of the Amendment?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'nay'. Voting is now open. Mr. Clerk... Yes, Representative Bowman. For what purpose do you rise, Sir?"

"Just to inquire. What is a kosher Motion?"

"Fardon?"

"What is a kosher Motion?"

"You'll have to take that up with Representative Giorgi. He knows these exotic things. Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Motion, there are 109 voting 'aye', none voting 'no', none voting 'present', and this Motion, having received the Constitutional Majority, prevails. And the House accepts the Governor's specific recommendations for change regarding House Bill 186, by the adoption of the Amendment. On page... Yeah. On page four of the Calendar appears Special Order, Subject Matter, Calls. The first subject matter to be considered is consumer protection, and on that Calendar appears House Bill 406, Mr. Bowman. Yeah. And that's on page 12 of the Calendar, Amendatory Veto Motion. Representative Bowman." 4  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 83rd Legislative Day October 20, 1983

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 406, in its original form, requires any employer who provides an employee health insurance plan to notify its employees when its failure to pay the required premium may result in lost of insurance coverage. In... The Governor, in his veto message, called attention to a particular provision which required the Department of Insurance to notify an employer of its responsibilities under this Act when it failed to make the necessary premium payments, and he was concerned that requiring notification to the Department of Insurance and having the Department of Insurance turn around and supply information to employees might result in the possibility that the employer might be absolved of legal responsibility if the Department cannot prove that it provided this notice. So, in order to avoid the possibility and to keep from imposing both an unnecessary administrative burden and cost on the Department of Insurance, the Governor recommended this change, and I move that we accept the Governor's recommended language."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Bowman, has moved for the... to accept the amendatory veto of the Governor. On that, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENEBAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 83rd Legislative Day 406 by the adoption of the Amendment. October 20, 1983 On Subject Matter Calls, Consumer Erotection, appears House Bill 1121, which appears on page 13 of your Calendar. Mr. Dunn. Representative Dunn. The Gentleman from Macon, Mr. Dunn." Dunn, J.: "Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. At this time, I will LOVE to override the Governor's amendatory veto with regard to House Bill 1121, and I would like to indicate to the Members that I do have a letter from the Governor. The Governor has indicated to me with regard to this Bill, House Eill 1121, that since the date of his amendatory veto, he says, 'I have been in contact with interested parties on House Bill 1121. I now believe that it is in the best interests of the citizens of Illinois to have the Bill in the form as originally passed in June. Therefore, I have no objections to an override of my amendatory veto, SO I would respectfully urge the Members to support an override Motion and provide a three-fifths vote with regard to this Bill', which is the Hearing Aid Consumer Protection Act in the State of Illinois, and in its present form, it will provide for licensure of those who dispense and sell hearing aid devices in the State of Illinois. It has a phase-in period to allow those who are presently engaged in the business to phase themselves in. Sort of a temporary grandfather clause. They will automatically receive a certificate to continue in business. Eventually, however, they will have to become licensed. This is a Fill that the senior citizens, consumers around the State of Illinois, have wanted for a long period of time, and it also is legislation which the hearing aid industry itself supports."

"The Gentleman from Macon has moved for override of the Governor's veto of House Bill 1121, and on that, is 6  83rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE there any discussion? The Gentleman from Hallock." October 20, 1983 Winnebago, Mr.

"Yes, to the Motion, Mr. Speaker. I would just like to clarify the point that was made. The Governor inadvertently did delete some language which was very essential to the Bill and which had been worked out in a compromise last spring. The Bill affects my district as well. It's a very good Bill, and I support the Motion."

"Further discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 1121 pass, the amendatory veto of the Governor notwithstanding?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'nay'. Voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, can you take the record? On this Motion, there are 111 voting 'aye', 2 voting 'no', none voting 'present', and this Bill is hereby declared passed, the veto of the Governor notwithstanding. On the Order of Subject Matter Calls, Consumer Protection, on page four of the Calendar, appears House Bill 1339, which is on... which is a total veto on page 10 of your Calendar. Representative Brummer, the Gentleman from Effingham."

"Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. 1339 is a relatively simple straightforward Bill. It provides that interim orders of the Illinois Commerce Commission can be appealed whether that order is an order granting a rate hike or denying a rate hike. It passed through the House last spring, I think, with 107 votes. It passed through the Senate 57 to nothing. It's supported by consumer groups, and I think it's fair to say that the public utilities, at least, are not opposed to the legislation in the form that it finally passed here. I was very surprised to see the Governor's veto. I think, quite frankly, the Governor listened to his campaign manager 7  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 83rd Legislative Day October 20, 1983 who's now Chairman of the Illinois Commerce Commission, Phil O'Connor, who doesn't like anyone to look over his shoulder and determine whether an interim decision made regarding rate hikes is possibly in error. There are not that many interim rate hikes; however, when they are... when there have been interim rate hikes, they have been fairly significant. I have the list of all interim rate hikes since 1974. I think there have been 11 of them. Some of them, on an interim basis, have been as high as, in 1982, 324 million dollars to Commonwealth Edison; 1980, 282 million dollars to Commonwealth Edison. They are very substantial. They affect the consumers. This is an issue that has had bipartisan support. I really feel the Governor's total veto was in error, and I would respectfully ask for an override of the Governor's veto."

"The Gentleman from Effingham, Mr. Brummer, has moved to override the veto of the Governor. On that, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Levin."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I rise in support of the Motion to override. All this Bill does is establish equity. Right now, if the utilities are denied in the interim increase, they may appeal to the courts. The consumers, however, do not have the same opportunity on an interim order where there is an increase that is granted. All this does is puts the consumers in exactly the same position that the utilities are now."

"The Gentleman from Kendall, Mr. Hastert."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I just thought I'd let the Members over on this side of the aisle, because of the previous Member's support of this Bill, say that I think this is a good Bill, too, and it does give you a right to know. It does give you a right to redress of a grievance that wasn't there before 8  83rd Legislative Day that time, and I think the support of that Bill is forthcoming."

"The Gentleman from McHenry, Mr. Klemm."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. And I dc stand and rise in support of House Bill 1339. There are some concerns that the ICC and some of the utilities have expressed, but I think certainly the current law allows them to do what they've expressed a fear for, and that is certainly to intervene on a rate denial on an interim rate increase. And since the last nine years, there are only four rate denials given to the utilities in the last nine years. Well, it certainly doesn't sound like a heck of a lot. And when you think of the hundreds, if you will, of interim rate increases that have already been granted for millions of dollars, I think certainly it would be a good measure to have on the books to have this judicial review. So, I do again stand in support of the Eill and ask for your favorable vote."

"Further discussion? There being none, Mr. Brummer to close."

"Yes. There are hundreds of millions of dollars involved here with regard to consumers regarding public utility interim rate orders. Decisions regarding those interim rate orders simply ought to be appealable. This Bill provides that. We ought to override the Governor's veto. I would ask for an 'aye' vote."

"The question is, 'Shall House Bill 1339 pass, the veto of the Governor notwithstanding?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Bill, there are 109 voting 'aye', none voting 'no', none voting 'present', and the Motion to override prevails; and this 9  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 83rd Legislative Day October 20, 1983 Bill is hereby declared passed, the veto of the Governor notwithstanding. On the Order of Subject Matter... Yes? The Gentleman from DeWitt, Mr. Vinson."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker. Would you please show on the record that Representative Topinka is an excused absence today?"

"Let the record SO show. On the Order of Subject Matter, Special Calls, Consumer Protection, on page four, appears House Bill 2019, on page 13 of the Calendar, Amendatory Veto Motion. And on that, the Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Bowman."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. The intent of this Bill is to increase consumer protection by assuring the continuous delivery of public utility services to tenants threatened with shut off during the winter months. The Governor used his amendatory veto power to reconcile some differences between this Bill and Senate Bill 485, which also passed. He also limited this Bill to... the coverage to units of... buildings of three units or more, thereby deleting the two-flat provision, and... and I believe that we ought to, in order to get this on the books, proceed and accept the Governor's amendatory language. So, I now move to that effect."

"The Gentleman from Cook has moved to accept the amendatory veto of the Governor. On that, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall the House accept the Governor's specific recommendation for change with respect to House Bill 2019 by adoption of the Amendment?' On that, all in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed 'nay'. Voting is now open. This is final action. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Motion, there are 105 voting 'aye', 2 voting 'no', none voting 'present', and this Motion, having received the Constitutional Majority, 10  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 83rd Legislative Day October 20, 1983 prevails. And the House accepts the Governor's... Yes, Mr... Who is seeking recognition? Oh. Ms. Karpiel, "no". Therefore, it's now 105 voting 'aye", 2 voting "no"... 3 voting 'no', none voting 'present'. This Motion, having received the Constitutional Majority, prevails, and the House accepts the Governor's specific recommendations for change regarding House Bill 2019, by the adoption of the Amendment. On page four of the Calendar, Subject Matter Calls, Education, appears House Bill 312. House Bill 312 is a Total Veto appearing on page nine of the Calendar. The Gentleman from Rock Island, Mr. DeJaegher. I'm sorry. No? Mr. Taylor. Mr. Taylor. Alright, we'll take that out of the record, then. Alright. On page nine, Total Veto Motions, appears House Bill 579. And on that Motion, the Gentleman from Rock Island, Mr. DeJaegher."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I ask for support of 579. It's a relatively simple Bill. It deals with uncertified employees, which is basically janitors, secretaries, and etcetera. It's a Bill that has nothing to do with collective bargaining. It's a Bill that has nothing to do with salary increases. All it does is require a school board to notify a person 30 days in the event that they are transferred and hopefully that you can be supportive of this measure."

"The Gentleman from Rock Island has moved to override the Governor's Veto. And on that, is there any discussion? The Lady from DuPage, Ms. Nelson."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I would urge Members of the House to uphold the Governor's veto of House Bill 579 for a very simple reason. The Bill is just absolutely unnecessary. It makes very little sense to pass legislation like this, because what it says basically is that people need to be notified of their 11  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE October 20, 1983 83rd Legislative Day assignments in writing, but what happens if that assignment is changed? Well then, you just re-notify them. Why cn earth we need a Bill like this to take up the time of the House, to take up the cost of printing and passing such a Bill, makes very, very little sense. It has to do with non-certificated personnel. Of course they are going to know what their job assignments are. If you have a janitor assigned to one school building, he will know what that assignment is. If there's a need to change that assignment, he will be notified, and there is absolutely no need to have this kind of a statute on the books. I would urge us to uphold the Governor's veto and to vote 'no' cn House Bill 579."

"Further discussion? There being none, Mr. DeJaegher to close."

"Contrary to what Ms. Nelson says, notification is not being given to these people. All this Bill is going to do is give these people that notification, and hopefully, you'll be supportive of this Bill."

"The question is, 'Shall House Bill 579 pass, the veto of the Governor notwithstanding?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Motion, there are 60 voting 'aye', 49 voting 'no', none voting 'present', and the Motion to override fails. On the Order of Special Calls, Education, appears House Bill 814, which is Amendatory Veto Motion on page 12 of the Calendar. The Gentleman from DuPage, Mr. Hoffman."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I move that the House accept the Governor's amendatory veto on House Bill 814. House Bill 814 is part of a package of three Bills that we passed to encourage 12  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 83rd Legislative Day October 20, 1963 school district consolidation. The Governor clarified the Bill by adding language which provided that we would be dealing... clarify the fact that we were dealing with comparisons of the same year and to provide for supplemental payment of their state aid, if it was greater as a formal dual district as opposed to a unit district the first three years, and that this state aid payment would be treated separately from the General Distributive Fund, which we find in 18-8. And I move the acceptance of the Governor's amendatory veto on House Bill 814."

"The Gentleman from DuPage moves the acceptance of the Governor's amendatory veto. And on that, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall the House accept the Governor's specific recommendations for change with respect to House Bill 814 by the adoption of the Amendment?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Motion, there are 113 voting 'aye', none voting 'no', 1 voting 'present', and this Motion, having received the Constitutional Majority, prevails. And the House accepts the Governor's specific recommendations for change regarding House Bill 814, by the adoption of the Amendment. On the Order of Subject Matter Calls, Education, appears House Bill 929, Amendatory Veto Motion, which is on page 12 of the Calendar. And on that, the Gentleman from DuPage, Mr. Hoffman."

"Does the board show an override, as opposed to amendatory?"

"This is an Amendatory Veto Motion."

"Correct. Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I move that we accept the specific recommendations of the Governor change in House Bill 929. 13  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 83rd Legislative Day October 20, 1983 This is one of those other Bills in that package of Bills to... as an incentive or to remove some disincentives to consolidation. And what this is, that the state will pay the difference in the salaries in previously existing districts with a lower schedule compared with previously existing districts with a higher salary schedule. What this legislation does is two things: One, it clarifies that we will be paying the difference in the same year for a three year period of time, in other words, comparing the first year's; and it will provide a separate line item from Section 18-8 in the School Code. And I would move for the adoption of the Governor's amendatory veto."

"The Gentleman from DuPage moves to accept the Governor's amendatory veto. And on that, is there any discussion? There being none, the question, 'Shall the House accept the Governor's specific recommendation for change with respect to House Bill 929, by the adoption of the Amendment?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Motion, there are 109 voting 'aye', 3 voting 'no', none voting 'present'. This Motion, having received the Constitutional Majority, prevails. And the House accepts the Governor's specific recommendations for change regarding House Bill 929, by the adoption of the Amendment. And on Special Calls appears House Bill 1223, Amendatory Veto Motion, on page 13 of the Calendar. No, I'm... Excuse me. We... It looks like we've missed one. We'll back up one. On the Order of Education Special Call appears House Bill 946, Amendatory Veto Motion, on page 13 of the Calendar. The Gentleman from McHenry, Mr. Klemm."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I intend to move to override the Governor's Amendatory Veto. House Bill 946 allowed school 14  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 83rd Legislative Day October 20, 1983 districts which owned their own school transportation systems, rather than those that contract for the service, to be reimbursed for indirect costs in the same manner as districts which contract for their buses. And a cap was placed on those indirect costs, raising it from two and a half percent to five percent. Now, there's no argument about the five percent, but the Governor really completely rewrote the Bill, deleted all the new language and restored all the old language except for changing the percentage. The Governor explained that his veto was made because of the more broad definition of indirect costs, and also felt that the federal indirect costs method of computation is, and will be, audited by the CPA firm for the school. Well, the state already allows the total reimbursement of direct costs for those who contract the schools. The provision of the Bill as stated simply removes that penalty that districts are now faced with when they go to the expense and the concern of saving dollars for their people of having their own transportation system, because obviously, there's no profits or anything else that's built into it. So, therefore, there is a savings to the district, and regardless, there's still the five percent cap. So, no district can ever charge any more than that. And certainly, the districts' certified public accountants that they have certainly are able to do the job that the Governor is fearful of. So, if we were to accept the Governor's veto, we would remove all the equity language that we have, and I don't think that's fair. So, I move, Mr. Speaker, that House Bill 946 do pass, the Governor's specific recommendations for change notwithstanding, and I ask the Members for your 'yes' vote."

"The Gentleman from McHenry has moved to override the Governor's veto. And on that, is there any 15  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 83rd Legislative Day October 20, 1983 discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 946 pass, the veto of the Governor... amendatory veto of the Governor notwithstanding?" All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Motion, there are 112 voting 'aye', none voting 'no', none voting 'present', and the Motion to override prevails; and this Bill is hereby declared passed, the veto of the Governor notwithstanding. On the Order of Special Call, Education, appears House Bill 1223, an Amendatory Veto Motion on page 13 of the Calendar. The Gentleman from Lake, Mr. Matijevich."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, under House Bill 20... 1223 as originally introduced, we tried to remove the confusion that now exists. In the last Session - not this year - but in the last Session, we passed law... a law wherein the special education building tax could also be used for special education purposes, but that law needed clarification, and we also removed the eight year limitation and the requirement that those rates had to go through the State Superintendent of the Office of Education for approval. The Governor amendatorily vetoed it. I have talked to special education people, and I think even the Governor's Office... What the Governor did proves that there's confusion in the existing law, because he removed altogether the authority to use the rate for general special education purposes. And I believe that his office is aware that he did make a mistake in that regard. And I... As I said, that proves that we need the law to clarify what is now law. There... The Governor admitted in his amendatory vetc that there is a loss of both... He didn't admit there's been a loss of state funds, which 16  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 83rd Legislative Day October 20, 1983 there has been, but of federal funds with regards to special education purposes. This is needed if we are going to give a quality education for the handicapped students in the State of Illinois. I would now move that House Bill 1223 do pass, notwithstanding the veto of the Governor."

"Mr. Clerk, this is an override. Want to mark that on the... Ch, yes. Oh, I'm sorry. It's on the other board. Okay. The Gentleman from Lake has moved for the override of the Governor's veto of House Bill 1223. And on that, is there any discussion? The Lady from DuPage, Ms. Nelson."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I support Representative Matijevich's move to override the Governor in this instance. I believe that it's important to our local school districts to allow them a permanent and reliable source of funding for special education, and I would urge you to vote 'yes' on the override Motion."

"Further discussion. The Gentleman from Lake, Mr. Peterson."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I, too, would like to join my colleagues in asking for an override of this particular Bill. It's very important to the handicapped. In fact, the Governor's amendatory veto has, as the Representative who sponsored this Bill has said, made it more detrimental to the handicapped and special education districts. I urge your vote to override the veto. Thank you."

"Further discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 1223 pass, the veto of the Governor notwithstanding?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. 17  STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENEBAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIFTION CEBATE 83rd Legislative Day October 20, 1983 Clerk, take the record. On this Motion, there are 88 voting "aye', 20 voting 'no, none voting present', and the Motion to override prevails. And this Bill is hereby declared passed, the veto of the Governor notwithstanding. On the Order of Special Call, Education, appears House Bill 1262, Amendatory Veto Motion, page 13 of the Calendar. The Gentleman from DuPage, Mr. Hoffman."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I move that we accept the... Well, first, Mr. Speaker, I've checked with both sides of the aisle, and there is an error on the Motion. There are four words that are not underlined cn the Motion which should have been underlined, and I would like to have permission of the House to amend this Motion on its face to underline those five words which were not underlined by error."

"The Gentleman asks leave to amend the totion on its face, for the purposes of underlining... what words, Mr. Hoffman?"

"In lines eight and nine, 'a computation shall be made'. Those five words should have been underlined, and they were not."

"For the... On the line and the words stated in the Motion. Does the Gentleman have leave? The Gentleman has leave, and the Motion is so amended. Proceed, Mr. Hoffman."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, this is the third of those Bills to encourage school district consolidation. The Governcr's amendatory veto clarifies which operating funds we are talking about as we agree to pick up the difference in the operating fund deficits of newly organized districts between the smallest and the largest. It clarifies that it will be the debt on June 30, prior to the referendum, and that we'll use the 18  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 83rd Legislative Day October 20, 1983 same basis of accounting... same basis of accounting for auditing and accounting purposes, either accrual or cash, in determining that amount. And I would move for the adoptions of... adoption of the Governor's amendatory veto."

"The Gentleman from DuPage has moved for the adoption of the Governor's amendatory veto. And on that, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall the House accept the Governor's specific recommendations for change with respect to House Bill 1262, by the adoption of the Amendment?' This is final action. All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'nay'. Voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Motion, there are 112 voting 'aye', 1 voting 'no', none voting 'present'. This Motion, having received the Constitutional Majority, prevails, and the House accepts the Governor's specific recommendation for change regarding House Bill 1262, by the adoption of the Amendment. On the Order of Special Call, Education, appears House Bill 2218. A Total Veto on page 10 of the Calendar. The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Leverenz."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I would move to override the veto of the Governor on House Bill 2218. The purpose of House Bill 2218, the high technology innovation grant program, is to provide grant funds on a competitive basis to community colleges to create and put in place high technology programs in the community college system. The grant could be used to fund new curriculum development or to pay for the start up of costs on equipment or laboratory expenses. A minimum of six and a maximum of 20 grants could be given each year with no single college being permitted to receive more than 19  83rd Legislative Day STATE CF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE October 20, 1983 two in any one single year. No current program in Illinois exists or could be used with other monies to do this type of program. In South Carolina, the high technology resource centers have been used in this manner for years. The Governor's veto message is incorrect in stating that House Bill 2218 is duplicative of the HITS program or the new Illinois Community College Board economic development monies. The programs that I just mentioned have severe limitations on equipment and curricula start up spending. These programs, unlike House Bill 2218, do not provide for a systematic development of new programs for emerging state of the art technologies. All too often, the community colleges do not have... start a resource to develop an entirely new curricula or to purchase the necessary equipment. 2218 fills that gap. I ask for your 'aye' vote to approve the provisions of House Bill 2218, the veto of the Governor notwithstanding."

"The Gentleman from Cock, Mr. Leverenz, has moved to override the Governor's veto of House Bill 2218. And on that, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from DeWitt, Mr. Vinson."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I rise in opposition to the Gentleman's Motion. And I rise in opposition to it, not because the program that he would propound with this is a bad program, but because we're simply not in a financial year when we can constantly begin authorizing new programs and pay for them. I don't believe that when we're going to be faced again with a very critical financial situation next year, that we ought to be authorizing this, when we're on the verge of going into the appropriations process for next year. I think the potential impact on state revenues and the potential impact on the tax situation is just a bad 20  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 83rd Legislative Day October 20, 1983 situation at this time, and I think we cught to reject this at this particular time. I think the Gentleman could come back in with a Bill with a delayed starting date for a year, and we might all embrace this, because the concept of bringing the community college program into an accomodative mode with high tech is a good idea, but I don't believe that the finances are there. And I don't believe we ought to be going around authorizing programs when we all know the finances aren't there. And I would urge a 'no' vote on the Motion to override the Governor's veto."

"The Lady from DuPage, Ms. Nelson."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I have a question of the Sponsor."

"The Sponsor indicates that he will yield."

"Representative Leverenz, is it not true that there are no funds appropriated in Fiscal Year '84 budget for this program?"

"Thank you. Time after time, to answer your question, we get to appropriations Bills and the question is, 'Where is the substantive Bill?' And if you don't have the substantive Bill, then there should not be an appropriation. I suggest to you that we will pass this this morning, and the appropriation will follow in 2315 this afternoon."

"That's not my question. My question is, is it in the Fiscal Year '84 budget?"

"We put it in the '84 budget."

"Is it still there?"

"I don't know, but it's in 2315 this afternoon."

"Exactly my point. To the Bill, Mr. Speaker. This appropriation is not in the budget. It is not appropriate at this time, and I believe that the creation of a new Committee is absolutely unnecessary. It duplicates the 21  83rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEBELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE October 20, 1983 work of the already existing Community College Board, which is empowered under our statutes to make these kinds of decisions. And I would also join with those urging a 'no' vote on the override attempt of House Eill 2218."

"The Gentleman from Edgar, Mr. Woodyard."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"He indicates he will."

"You mentioned, Representative, in your presentation, that the Governor's veto message is incorrect. Are you referring to this two and a half million dollars that is already in the... in the formula Bill... community college formula Bill on economic development grants? Is that... Is this the same money, I guess is what I'm trying to ask."

"Two different monies, here. The two and a half million that you speak of is a federal program..."

"Eight."

"... Geared to retraining those in the business community. This would gear the State Community College System to what the Governor professes to be for, and that is for high tech and attracting people and programs into the state for high tech. This will get us in gear for high tech. The other HITS programs and the money you just mentioned are not duplicative here, but then again, we don't know who really writes those veto... veto messages."

"Okay, thank you."

"Further discussion? There being none, the Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Leverenz, to close."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and I appreciate the questions that have been asked. A Representative alluded to the fact that we didn't need another group or board to look over these types of programs because it would duplicate some of the work already being done in the Illinois Community College Board. Well, that's exactly right. Those same 22  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 83rd Legislative Day Octcber 20, 1983 people could be designated to be the people to review these types of programs. In the first place, it does not say that one grant would be made this year. It simply lays out the program for grants to be made possibly to those who apply, and that no single college could get more than two in any one year. I've seen, time after time, programs put in place, and all of the rescurces under those programs not used. But to deny the Illincis Community College System an opportunity to put in place programs that we all say we are for would be a dastardly, dirty deed and a big mistake. And for one Representative that writes articles in the newspaper about Conference Committee Reports and little things that sneak through without people actually knowing what they're voting for, I suggest that she could do an. outstanding article about House Bill 2218. I ask that you give our community colleges the resources or the possibility to get the resources embodied in the program in House Bill 2218. I ask for your 'aye vote and approve the provisions of the Bill, the veto cf the GoverncE notwithstanding."

"The question is, Shall House Bill 2218 pass, the veto of the Governor notwithstanding?" All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'nay". Voting is now open. Have all voted whc wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Motion, there are 73 voting 'aye', 40 voting 'no', 2 voting 'present'. And the Gentleman from DeWitt, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"

"For purposes of a verification."

"Okay. Alright. The Gentleman from Cook bas requested a Foll of the Absentees."

"Poll of the Absentees. Jaffe. McAuliffe and Topinka. No further." 23  STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 83rd Legislative Day October 20, 1983

"Mr. Clerk, verify the Affirmative Roll Call."

"Poll of the Affirmative. Alexander. Barnes. Berrios. Воишал."

"Excuse me, Mr. Lecne. Mr. Ronan, for what purpose do you seek recognition, Sir?"

"Can I have leave to be verified?"

"The Gentleman asks leave to be verified, yes. Leave is granted. Mr. Brockins?"

"Nay I have leave to be verified?"

"Mr. Brookins requests leave to be verified. Leave is granted. Alright, Mr. Leone. Go ahead."

"Continuing with the Pcll cf the Affirmative. Bowman. Braun. Breslin. Brookins. Erummer. Brunsvold. Bullock. Capparelli. Christensen. Cullerton. Curran. Currie. DeJaegher. DiPrima. Domico. Doyle. John Dunn, Farley. Flinn. Giglio. Giorgi. Greiman. Hannig. Hicks. Homer. Huff. Keane. Kirkland. Krska. Kulas. Laurino. LeFlore. Leverenz. Levin."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Marzuki."

"Leave to be verified."

"ΜΙ. Marzuki requests leave to be verified. Leave is granted."

"Markette. Marzuki. Matijevich. Mautino. Mays. McGann. McPike. Mulcahey. Nash. O'Connell. Panayotovich.. Pangle. Pierce. Freston. Rea. Bhew. Rice. Richmond. Ronan. Saltsman. Satterthwaite. Shaw. Slape. Steczo. Stuffle. Taylor. Terzich. Turner. Van Duyne. Vitek. White. Wojcik. Wolf. Younge. Yourell and Mr. Speaker."

"Mr. Vinson, questions of the Affirmative Roll Call?"

"Yes, Sir, Mr. Speaker. Representative Berrios?"

"Berrios is in his seat." 24  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 83rd Legislative Day October 20, 1983

"Representative Braun?"

"Representative Eraun. Is the Lady in the chamber? Representative Braun. How is the Lady recorded?"

"The Lady is recorded as voting 'aye'."

"Remove her from the Roll Call."

"Mrs. Breslin."

"Mrs. Breslin is at the door with Mr. Brummer."

"Representative Domico."

"Representative Domico. Is Representative Domico in the chamber? How is the Gentleman recorded?"

"The Gentleman is recorded as voting 'aye'."

"Remove the Gentleman from the Roll Call."

"Representative John Dunn."

"Representative John Cunn. Is Representative Dunn in the chamber? How is Mr. Dunn recorded?"

"The Gentleman is recorded as vcting 'aye'."

"Remove Mr. Dunn from the Rcll Call."

"Representative Giorgi."

"Mr. Giorgi is right there in his seat, as always."

"Mr. Hicks."

"Mr. Hicks, the Gentleman frcm Jefferson. Mr. Hicks is right here near the well."

"Mr. McGann."

"Mr. McGann is in his seat."

"Mr. Rhem."

"Mr. Rhem is in his seat, and Mr. Dunn... Mr. Dunn has returned. Add him to the Roll Call. Ms. Braun has returned. Add her to the Roll Call."

"Representative Shaw."

"Representative Shaw. Is Mr. Shaw in the chamber?"

"Mr. Van Duyne." 25  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 83rd Legislative Day October 20, 1983

"Mr. Van Duyne appears to be with us. Mr. Shaw..."

"Remarkable."

"Mr. Shaw is... is... How is the Gentleman recorded?"

"The Gentleman is recorded as voting 'aye'."

"Remove Mr. Shaw from the chamber."

"I want that on the record, too. Mr. Stuffle."

"Excuse me, Mr. Kirkland. You're flinging your arms about. I had assumed you were having a seizure or are seeking recognition, but the way we do it is to push our light and then it gives me some hint that you want recognition. Are you seeking... You are not seeking recognition. Mr. Kirkland, your light is on. For what purpose do you seek recognition?"

"Sorry. I'm under a little pressure, here."

"Excuse me, Mr. Kirkland. Mr. Domico has returned to the chamber. Add him to the Roll Call."

"Change me to 'no', please."

"Mr. Kirkland from 'aye' to 'no'. Proceed, Mr. Vinson. Excuse me, Mr. Clerk. Has Mr. Domico been returned to the Roll Call?"

"Yes, he has."

"Alright. Proceed, then, Mr. Vinson."

"Ms... Representative Barnes."

"Representative Barnes. Is Representative Barnes in the chamber? How is the Lady recorded?"

"The Lady is recorded as voting 'aye'."

"Remove her from the Roll Call. Mr. Nash asks leave to be verified. Leave is granted. Mr. Stuffle, you were not taken off the Roll Call, so you're on. Proceed, Mr. Vinson."

"I have no further questions." 26  STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENEBAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCEIFTION DEBATE 83rd Legislative Day

October 20, 1983 "Yes, Ms. Wojcik? For what purpose do you seek recognition?"

"Flease change my vote from 'aye' to 'nay'."

"Change ร. Wojcik from 'aye to 'no'. Yeah, On this right. Okay. Right, yeah. Yeah. Alright. Motion, there are 69 voting 'aye', 42 voting 'no', 2 voting 'present', and the Motion to override... Yes? Return Mr. Shaw to the Roll Call. So, there are 70 vcting 'aye'. Yes, ΜΕ Mulcabey, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"

"Mr. Speaker, please record me as voting 'aye'."

"Mr. Mulcahey, I believe you were recorded as voting 'aye'. There are 70 voting 'aye', 42 vcting 'no', 2 voting 'present'; and the Motion to override fails. On the Order of Special Call, Education, affears House Bill 312, Total Veto Motion, on page nine of the Calendar. Mr. Taylor, the Gentleman from Cook. House Bill 312."

"Thank you, Br. Speaker and Members of the House. House Bill 312 is the work study program that are consistently passed through this House. It was vetced this Session, and I do not agree with the Governor's amendatory veto; therefore, I ask that we pass Bouse Bill 312 cut."

"The Gentleman from Cook moves to override the Governor's veto of House Bill 312. And on that, is there any discussion? The Lady from DuPage, Ms. Nelson." Nelson: I Ladies and Gentlemen "Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. of the House, am sorry to have to disagree with the Sponsor of this Motion, but I believe that it вау be the case that he does not guite understand what may be the result of this particular Bill. All of us certainly want to help those youths who are in areas of high unemployment, but at the same time, we want to protect our own local school districts. And our analysis shows that what could 27  83rd Legislative Da y STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE October 20, 1983 happen very easily with this Bill is that local school districts would have to pick up the costs. These are costs that are paid to private employers of these young people, but nevertheless, private employers in this state. And I think that it's a mistake to ask our local school districts to take money that they should be spending on educational programs and send that money through to private industry. I would urge a 'no vote on the Motion to override House Bill 312."

"Further discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Shaw."

"Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I think this Bill 312 is a good piece of legislation. I think that all of us have read in the paper in the last few weeks about the high unemployment in minority neighborhoods, and I think that this Bill would serve the purpose of getting some of those people back on the employment roll. I think it's a good piece of legislation, and I'm going to ask the Members of this Body to override the Governor and the other side of the aisle. I hope that they will think about what they are doing to the young people of our state and vote to override the Governor on this piece of legislation."

"Further discussion? There being none, the Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Taylor, to close."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have listened το the opposition speak to this particular piece of legislation. I think it's good for the state. It's good for the people of my district. It's good for the young kids who feel that they have no other place to go. It's good to help take some of the parents off of welfare. We are paying too much money in welfare costs today, and many of the kids are dropping out of school simply because they do not have the opportunity to work. This Bill calls for a 20 hour work 28  83rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINGIS 83RD GENERAL ASSENELY HOOSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIFTION CEBATE October 20, 1983 week. The children must be taking four major subjects in school and therefore, have the approval of the school, the approval of the parents and the school and approval of the board of... State Board of Education. It's a good piece of legislation. I, therefore, ask you to override the Governor's veto."

"Thank you. The question is, 'Shall House Bill 312 pass, the veto of the Governor notwithstanding?' This is final action. All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote "no". Vcting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. Alexander, 'aye'. The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. McGann, to explain his vote."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the Assembly. Let me just take a moment to point cut to you about this Bill - a couple items. We're making an investment in our youth of this state by providing this work study program. We have to have some programs to help our youth, and especially in the Chicagoland area. We're net Gut in the affluent suburbs. We're down in the inner city, and we need help. And this Bill will do that for Us. Vie are constantly worrying about the corrections in the State of Illinois, of the many youth that are being brought into the courts. This may help a little bit to prevent scme of these youths to go into these courts. Let's get behind this Bill. Let's override it. Thank you."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. LeFlore, to briefly explain his vote."

"Mr. Speaker, I also rise in support of this Bill. I feel that we need this Bill in the State of Illinois for our youth, because many of you might not know, but back in my district and in the other districts throughout the State of Illinois, we have many youth who are unemplcyed and who 29  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 83rd Legislative Day October 20, 1983 need jobs. Their families are on welfare. So what I'm asking you to do, please vote your conscience and support this legislation. Vote 'yes'."

"The Gentleman from Rock Island, Mr. Brunsvold, to explain his vote briefly. Oh. Mr. Erunsvold, 'aye'. Mr. Fangle."

"Aye."

"Pangle, 'aye'. Yes, Mr. Taylor, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"

"Poll of the Absentees, please."

"The Gentleman is within his rights. Mr. Clerk, poll the absentees."

"Poll of the Absentees. Dwight Friedrich. Jaffe. McAuliffe."

"Mr. Friedrich? Friedrich, 'no'."

"And Topinka. No further."

"Cn this Motion, there are 68 voting 'aye', 47 voting 'nay', and the Motion to override fails. Cn the Order of Special Call, Election Reform, appears House Bill 731, Total Veto, on page nine of the Calendar. Mr. Preston, are you going to take that? Proceed, Sir."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I'm asking for a positive vote on a Motion to override the Governor's veto of House Bill 731. What House Bill 731 provided was for a statewide recount in gubernatorial elections where the result of the election came to a difference of less than one half of one percent between the votes received by each of the two leading candidates. As we had recently experienced, when there is a very close election for the highest office in Illinois, there is presently no procedure whatsoever for a state recount that is paid for by the State of Illinois. Now, I certainly don't blame the Governor for vetoing this Bill, 30  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE October 20, 1983 83rd Legislative Day because it seemed, because of the timeliness of the Bill, that it was aimed at him. Indeed, that's not the case. And I'm sure in the Governor's heart of hearts, he knows that this is a good concept."

"Excuse me. Excuse me, Mr. Preston. For what purpose does the Gentleman from DeWitt, Mr. Vinson, seek recognition?"

"Mr. Speaker, where are we on the Calendar?"

"We are on the Order of Special Call, Election Reform., There's a Total Veto Motion on House Bill 731, page nine... which appears on page nine of the Calendar."

"Who is the Sponsor of that Total Veto Motion?"

"ür. Freston is the Sponsor of that. There are two Motions on the Calendar. Mr. Freston is... 1"

"On the Calendar it says Mz. Jaffe. On the Calendar it shows Mr. Jaffe."

"And if you'll go to the next line. Just try and increase your vision to the next line. There's another Motion."

"Well, I think we ought to do the other one first. Let's do Jaffe's Motion first."

"Well, we're in the middle of this, and we'll proceed, Mr. Preston. Thank you for that valuable addition, Mr. Vinson. Mr. Preston, proceed."

"Thank you, Иг Speaker. As I was saying, the importance of this Bill is for the people of Illincis to know, not in the last election, because that's over, but in future elections, to know for certain, to be comfortable with the knowledge that the person elected to the highest office in Illinois indeed received the most votes for that office. When some very small number of votes separates the two highest vote-receiving candidates for Governor cf Illinois, it is the fairness doctrine that wandates a 31  83rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE October 20, 1983 recount to be certain, sc Illincis citizens may be certain, that the winner is indeed the Governor. For that reason, I ask for your 'aye' vote on this override Motion."

"The Gentleman moves to override the Governor's veto of House Bill 731. On that, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Lee, Mr. Olson."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This is a much-debated Bill in the Spring Session. A number of months have passed by. I would hope some of the fever from the November election of last year subsided as well. I'm not going to ask any questions of Representative Preston. I just want to speak to the Bill and enumerate some of the things that we should be concerned about. Stanley Kusper, the County Clerk of Cook County, has estimated that a full recount could cost anywhere between 600,000 - 750,000 in suburban Cook. It would be reasonably expected that a statewide recount might cost in the area of a million and a half. And when we're in a tight budget consideration, I think if we're going to do something of that nature, we should not limit this legislation to that of the role of the Governor of the State of Illinois, but those who may aspire to be the Governor of the State of Illinois and who now hold other statutory offices. And as a consequence, I think this legislation is ill-advised. It received 66 votes this spring. I would sincerely urge all of our friends, both sides of the aisle, to take a hard look at the implications of this type of legislation and cast a 'no' vote when you are voting on House Bill 731."

"Further discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Cullerton."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The previous speaker just gave the argument why we should pass the Bill. 32  83rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE October 20, 1983 Representative Olson just pointed out how expensive it is to have a recount. So, if he's right, and it's that expensive, what he's saying is that the candidate, the one who's a few votes short, would be the one that would have to pay. And that is the purpose of the Bill. We shouldn't allow the outcome of elections to depend upon the wealth of one of the candidates. And as Representative Preston has pointed out, the Governor perhaps vetoed the Bill because he felt that it was kind of a personal attack upon him. But the fact of the matter is, he was the one that was the winner, and he's not going to run again, probably hopefully. So that the next time when somebody like, let's say, Representative Vinson runs for Governor against, say, Representative Madigan, and you know Madigan's going to win by a few votes, Vinson's going to want to have a recount. He's going to say the 13th Ward stole it, or something along those lines, and he's not going to have the money to afford the recount. So, let's not be shortsighted. Let's realize that this is going to work both ways and very politely vote 'aye'."

"The Gentleman from Will, Mr. Van Duyne."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'd just like to say before I vote, to explain it, when Governor Madigan wins that race as a Democrat, I don't want Representative Vinson to have that money for a recount, so I'm going to vote 'no'."

"Further discussion? There being none, the Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Preston, to close."

"Thank you again, Mr. Speaker. I appreciate the levity that this Bill has caused, but I would ask the Members of this Body to please think very seriously of this Bill. We were... We heard discussions about the cost of a recount. The incredible cost to a democratic society of having someone who has not been elected to office, nonetheless 33  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 83rd Legislative Day October 20, 1983 take over that office, is tremendous. This Bill is designed to protect us from that eventuality by assuring, in very close contests where the difference is one half of one percent or less, maybe a 15 vote difference, maybe a 10 vote difference, that the state will pay for a recount to ensure all of us that the highest vote getter takes over the office of Governor of Illinois. This is necessary, and I'd ask for your serious vote and for your 'aye' vote. Thank you."

"The question is, 'Shall House Bill 731 pass, the veto of the Governor notwithstanding?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is now open. Final action. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Motion, there are 64 voting 'aye', 49 voting 'no', none voting 'present', and the Motion to override fails. On the Order of Election Reform, Special Call, appears House Bill 1995, Amendatory Veto Motion, on page 13 of the Calendar. The Gentleman from DuPage, Mr. Daniels. Yes, Mr. Olson? Did you make the Motion, Mr. Olson?"

"Mr. Daniels followed. I'm a hyphenated Cosponsor on the Bill...May I."

"Alright. Proceed, Mr. Olson."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. House Bill 1995 was one of about 43 Bills that came through Elections Committee this year. It basically provides for a penalty... perjury under Section 29-10 of the Election Code, relative to people who would commit perjury relative to an election issue. And it would make it not possible for them to hold public employment for a period of five years immediately following the completion of his or her sentence. This is a companion Bill to House Bill 1994. This Bill passed with 34  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 83rd Legislative Day October 20, 1983 91 votes. The Governor amendatorily vetoed the Bill to put it... the Sections of the Bill in compliance with each other. That is 1994 and 95. And, I would urge the acceptance of the amendatory veto of the Governor."

"The Gentleman from Lee moves for the acceptance of the Governor's specific recommendations for change. And on that, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall the House accept the Governor's specific recommendations for change with respect to House Bill 1995, by the adoption of the Amendment?' All those... All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed 'no'. Voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Motion, there are 111 voting 'aye', 1 voting 'no', 1 voting 'present'. This Motion, having received the Constitutional Majority, prevails. And the House accepts the Governor's specific recommendations for change regarding House Bill 1995, by the adoption of the Amendment. On the Order of Election Reform, Special Call, appears House Bill 2012, Total Veto. Page 12 of the Calendar. The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Preston."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This was, I think, the second most hotly debated Bill this past Session. What House Bill 2012 does, is put contribution and expenditure ceilings in campaigns for Governor of Illinois. It provides for the public financing with matching funds of gubernatorial campaigns, and attaches these restrictions on the amount of contributions that individual contributors can give, and puts restrictions on the amount of money that a gubernatorial candidate can spend. Now, the reason for this Bill was that there is a perception among the public that special interest groups gain undue influence over the highest 35  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENEGAL ASSEGELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 83rd Legislative Day October 20, 1983 office in Illinois by the amount of contributions that these special interest groups nake to candidates for Governor. hor. Secondly; there is also the feeling among our voters, our constituents, that too much money, way too much money, is spent on campaigns for the highest office. And we have seen, in the recent gubernatorial campaign, both the primary and the general election, that an extraordinary and exorbitant amount of money was spent in gaining that office. Now, in the Governor's veto message, among the things stated, he stated that he viclently disagrees with the assumption that gubernatorial elections are dominated by special interest influence, and that persons of limited financial means cannot seek office.. Well, if the GovernoΙ violently disagrees with that proposal, he is perhaps alone in that viclent disagreement. I'm looking at... at one article in the Chicago Tribune that talks about the stories of lobster meals in the Governor's Mansion, and gifts of cash and gold kruggerands from admirers and well publicized forays for antiques to have tarnished the image of the Governor. Now, I'm not saying by any cf this there is wrong doing. I'm saying that there is a perception among the public that there is wrong doing, and it's this perception that we are charged to address. In one of the Paddock publications, the Daily and Sunday Herald, I am guoting now, 'Only the naive believe that special interests spend such incredible SUDS cut cf simple altruism. Of course, you and I are not naive. We know that the intent of special interest groups is to at least at a very minimum to gain the ear, to gain the attention of an office holder CI a prospective office holder by large campaign contributions. The public is sick and tired of reading stories like this, of hearing stories of the gifts, of the gift book. And, again, I want to make it clear that 36  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 83rd Legislative Day October 20, 1983 Governor Thompson has not been at fault and previous Governors have been equally engaged in such activities. This is not a personal Bill to attack cur Governor. I have great respect for the Governor of Illinois, as I have for previous Governors, and I hope that I will maintain for future Governors. However, I have greater respect for the public who have a right to feel comfortable that special gifts from special interests don't gain you special favors. And for that reason, I would ask for your 'aye' vote on this override Motion."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Preston, has moved to override the Governor's veto of House Bill 2012. On that, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Lee, Mr. Olson."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Representative Preston has stated the case for House Bill 2012. Again, this Bill was debated significantly in the Spring Session. I am pleased to note that our friends over on the Senate side of the rotunda yesterday acted fruitfully and rejected this propcsition. And I just want to remunerate again a couple of the significant reasons why we should not support this legislation. There is a very serious opportunity for raiding funds in the General Fund to provide for shortfalls in the area of public financing. As a consequence, because of our tight budgetary constraints, I don't think we can afford it. The second thing that you might have, you could have an incumbent Governor some years down the road, either '86 or '90, who is challenged by another office holder in the state who was not working under the same constraints. As a consequence, you would have special interests describe to... goals. So, to make it very brief, I would suggest that the Members of this House take a look at House Bill 37  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF BEPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 83rd Legislative Day October 20, 1983 politically and 2012, look at the implications of it both financially and reject the Motion to override it. Thank you very much."

"Further discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 2012 pass, the veto of the Governor notwithstanding? All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'nc". Voting is now open. Mr. Preston to explain... Do you want to explain your vote, MI. Preston? No. Alright. Bave all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. Cn this Motion, there are 63 vcting 'aye', 48 voting 'no', 2 voting present', and the Motion to override fails. We are now on the Order of Special Calls State and Local Government Administration and there appears House Bill 21, a total veto which appears on page nine of the Calendar. The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. O'Connell." to

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 21 was vetoed by the Governor. House Bill 21 was an effort on the Fart of myself and Representative Icpinka to establish a lower requirement of signatures in order to place a question of allowing a restricted sale of liquor to be placed on a referendum in a municipality. Currently, the reguirement, in crder to place the question of going from a dry a wet municipality, is 25% of those voters who voted for municipal officers in the last election. This reguirement has been quite burdensome in those communities, particularly medium-sized communities, where there is a dry municipality such as in my district and Representative Topinka's district and I'm sure districts throughout the state. The question would then be placed on the ballot for the... all the voters to decide. What we are proposing is to reduce the number from 25% to 5%. Furthermore, we're 38  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 83rd Legislative Da y Octcber 20, 1983 that can be the restricting the type of liguor sales subject matter of the referendum to only liquor sold by the drink in a restaurant or liquor sold by the package in a package store. This does not permit the sale of drinks in what is commonly referred to as a tavern setting. So, we've restricted the type of ligucr sale that would be placed on the referendum. It's important to note that the City of Chicago is not included in these... the provisions of this Bill. Furthermore, as part of the Governor's message, he was concerned that the people would be precluded from making a decision that would be in the hands of a board of trustees or a city council. The matter is still entirely within the hands of the... all the voters of the district, of the community, because it would be placed on the ballot for referendum. We're simply making a more expeditious use of the petition forms; that 5% of the registered... of the voters who voted in the last election, if they sign this petition, the matter can either go on the referendum or go before the board and the board of trustees ΟΙ the city council would vote to put the matter on the referendum. But, we are not precluding the... the right of the voters to decide the question. We're making it more expeditious. The.... The meaningfulness of this measure is that, in many communities, we are seeing areas where the additional sales tax through reputable and attractive businesses such as restaurants or grocery stores or drug stores where...or package liquor stores, where we are not creating the problems as normally one might consider associated with the sale of liquor and as envisioned in 1933 ΟΣ 1935 when this law was first enacted. I would simply ask for your favorable vote."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. O'Connell, has moved to override the Governor's veto of House Bill 21. 39  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 83rd Legislative Day October 20, 1983 And on that Motion, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Bowman."

"Will the Gentleman yield for a question? Representative O'Connell, is it not possible for honε rule communities now, by action of the city council, to have a referendum on the subject that would accomplish your purpose?"

"That... That could well be, Representative Bowman, but non-home rule communities cannct."

"I see. And that is one of your concerns. You're interested in non-home rule communities having this power."

"That is correct."

"I see. Thank you."

"Further discussion? Gentleman from McLean, Mr. Bopp."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Would the Sponsor yield?"

"He indicates he will."

"In the intent of your original Eill, why did you feel it was necessary to reduce the number from 25% of the registered voters to 5% of the previous number of people voting, in that that could almost mean 50 or 75 when you compare SOTE light turnouts that we have in some of our non-important elections - I won't say non-important - non... elections that very few people ever turn out. It seems to me like we are in a position where we are attempting to deal with stiffening the penalties we have on drunk driving in... in many cases, and here you're just opening it up like nobody's business. And I think the Governor had a good move here, and I don't know why you wanted to have this Bill anyway."

"Well, Representative, first of all, you're adding a buzz word there that really doesn't belong. If there's going to be a drunk driver, the drunk driver can go to the community contiguous to where he lives and get just as 40  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 83rd Legislative Day October 20, 1983 drunk and create just as much havoc on the highway. So, I think that's an irrelevant and irresponsible reference to this Bill. Secondly, with regards to the minimal number of people being required for the petitions, that is totally dependent upon the size of the community and the number of registered voters. And it's... it's a criteria that's used in a number of different issues, not just determining whether a community is going to go from dry to wet. So, it's... it's a ... it's a realistic criteria under which you... you get a number of voters. Thirdly and probably most importantly, it isn't the number of people who sign the petition that is a determinant factor as to whether a community will go from dry to wet. It is the ... all the people in the community voting on the referendum. And so, the ultimate decision still lies in that community, not with the 50 or 75 as you referred to in your remarks."

"Well, apparently it appears that there is very little confidence left in the local city council or local officials to establish this, and this just seems totally unnecessary to really reduce this number. I'm... I totally support the Governor's veto, and I hope everyone else does, too."

"Further discussion? Further discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 21 pass, the veto of the Governor notwithstanding?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed 'nay'. Voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Motion, there are 55 voting 'aye', 49 voting 'no', 5 voting 'present', and the Motion to override fails. On the Order of Special Call - State and Local Government Administration - appears House Bill 41, amendatory veto Motion on page 12 of the Calendar. The Gentleman from Bureau, Mr. Mautino." 41  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 83rd Legislative Day October 20, 1983

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I move to accept the Governor's specific recommendations on House Bill 41. The substantive language, as it pertains to port authorities in the original Bill itself was authorized under Senate Eill 943. There was one Amendment that was adopted to 41, which is now the Governor's amendatory vetc message, which changes the quorum for a port distinct, which has five members, currently listing that quorum is four of those five members, changing that to a majority of members on the board which is three. Therefore, I agree with his amendatory vetc and ... which basically changes the quorum membership from four to three for doing business for the... by a port authority, and I move for the adoption of the Governor's specific recommendation on House Bill 41."

"Gentleman from Pureau, Mr. Bautino, moves to accept the Governor's specific recommendation for change. And on that, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall the House accept the Governor's specific recommendation for change with respect to House Bill 41 by the adoption of the Amendment?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'nay'. Voting is now open. Have all voted, who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Motion, there are 113 voting 'aye', none voting 'no', none voting 'present', and the Motion... this Motion, having received the Constitutional Majority, prevails. And the House accepts the Governor's specific recommendation for change regarding House Bill 41 by the adoption of the Amendment. On the Order of Special Call - State and Local Government Administration - appears House Bill 234, amendatory vetc Motion, page 12 of the Calendar. The Lady from Cook, Ms. Currie." 42  83rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE October 20, 1983

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. House Bill 234 is the freedom of information Bill, and I urge the House to accept the Governor's specific recommendations for change so that freedom of information can be part of the statutes of the State of Illinois."

"The Lady from Cook, Ms. Currie, moves to accept the Governor's specific recommendations for change. On that, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Bowman."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Some of the Governor's changes are subject to interpretation. I would like a clarification from the Sponsor at this time. Will she yield for some questions?"

"She indicates she will."

"Representative Currie, what is the affect of Governor Thompson's amendatory veto to Section 7(F) concerning preliminary drafts and memoranda?"

"I think, Representative Bowman, that the Governor's intention was merely to clarify the original intent of the General Assembly with respect to this provision. The purpose of that particular Section is to prevent injury to the quality of agency decisions, at the same time protecting against premature disclosure of proposed policies before they are finally adopted and, thereby, to protect against public confusion by disclosure of reasons that were not, in fact, the actual reasons for the agency's decision. I believe his change was made with the intent of gaining, from the federal experience and from the large body of case law concerning the federal exemption on agency, inter-agency and intra-agency memoranda. And as in the federal exemption, the state exemption does not protect orders, decisions, interpretations, instructions, guidelines, those items which have presidential weight and 43  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 83rd Legislative Da y October 20, 1983 which affect the public. It does not protect the underlying memoranda expressly relied upon."

"I find his changes to Section 7 (E) somewhat vague. What about the changes that Governor Thompson made in the two law enforcement provisions in this Section?"

"Well, I think the Section has to be read consistently with the Preamble and should be seen as a very limited exception to the general policy of open records. It certainly would be narrowly construed by the courts."

"Eut what abcut Thompson's language in Section 7 (E)? 80W does it affect what is already in Section 7 (C) concerning investigating... excuse me, investigatcry records?"

"That Section is a slight expansion af a Subsection already in Section 7 (C), Subsection 4. I assume the language is consistent with the purpose of Section 7 (C) concerning law enforcement's specialized technigues that have... that aze not generally known or should be disclosed. His language on security and operations is a slight expansion of Section 7 (C) 4 tc make clear that the disclosure of information on operations that would endanger the security of those operations and the life and safety of personnel could be exempt."

"Thank you. Finally, what is the attorneys fees Section intended to accomplish?"

"The point of the attorneys' fees Section is really to encourage citizens to act rather like a private attorney general. The concept based in civil rights law and in Title 7 really encourages the public to... to have the opportunity to make sure that this Pill, freedcm cf information, can be enforced."

"Thank you, Representative Currie. That has been very enlightening."

"Further discussion? The Gentleman from Lee, 44  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 83rd Legislative Day October 20, 1983

Mr. Olson. Olson: "Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Would the Sponsor yield?"

"She indicates she will."

"Representative Currie, what would I say to a very small town mayor who has likened this legislation to something coming out of Nazi Germany in 1940? I think the amended... the Bill puts us in good form. What possible objections could a very small town mayor with just part-time help have to this fine Bill?"

"I would think that you would have said to the small town mayor who suggested this Bill was something that could have come out of Nazi Germany, I would have said you would have said to that mayor that he was dead wrong. And you would, I should think, have said that in July after this Assembly passed this legislation and went home."

"Thank you very much."

"Further discussion? There being none, the Lady from Cook to briefly close."

"In fact, of course, freedom of information is precisely the opposite of the kinds of things that are associated with Nazi Germany. They may have been more appropriate as an example when the Legislature left at the end... at the end of June. But with the amendatory veto of House Bill 234, Illinois can join the sister 49 states as a state that does ensure its citizens access to the public records they pay for. I move the House accept the Governor's specific recommendations for change on House Bill 234, the Freedom of Information Act."

"Question is, 'Shall the House accept the Governor's specific recommendation for change with respect to House Bill 234 by the adoption of the Amendment?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'nay'. Voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have 45  83rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE October 20, 1983 all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Motion, there are 105 voting 'aye', 5 voting 'nay', 2 voting 'present', and this Motion, having received the Constitutional Majority, prevails. And the House accepts the Governor's specific recommendation for change regarding House Bill 234 by the adoption of the Amendment. On the Order of State and Local Government - Special Call - appears House Bill 417, amendatory veto Motion on page 12 of the Calendar. The Gentleman from Jackson, Mr. Richmond."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 417 in its original form provided for a ... to expand the death benefit payable under the Act which pertains to Law Enforcement Officers', Civil Defense Workers', Civil Air Patrol Members', Paramedics' and Firemen's Compensation Act. What it did was to increase the death benefit payable under the Act as it is presently from 20,000 dollars to 50,000 dollars. That was the original Bill, and it passed in this chamber with 110 'aye' votes. When it went to the Senate, it was amended and was passed in an amended form which we accepted and went to the Governor, and he has deleted the Senate Amendment which provides for a guaranteed state employment for the unremarried surviving spouse of a firemen or policemen killed in the line of duty. I agree with the Governor's action on this... in this matter, since it would provide some rather complicated situations, and I ask for support of his action on House Bill 417."

"Gentleman from Jackson, Mr. Richmond, has moved for the adoption of the Governor's amendatory veto. On that, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall the House accept the Governor's specific recommendation for change with respect to House 46  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF BEPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 83rd Legislative Day October 20, 1983 Bill 417 by the adoption of the Amendment?* All in favor signify by voting 'aye, those opposed vote 'no. Voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Mr. Van Duyne, do you wish to explain your vote, Sir?"

"Well, thank you, Mr. Speaker. Beally I wanted to apologize for being off the floor, Lut I just had a pleasant thing happen to me. About a hundred of my people from St. Mary's Nativity Senior Citizens are here today. They just made me... They made me feel very good."

"Mr. Van Duyne. I'm glad you're feeling good, Mr. Van Duyne."

"But I apologize for being off the floor."

"Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Motion, there are 115 voting 'aye', none voting 'no', none voting 'present', and this Motion, having received the Constitutional Majority, prevails. And the House accepts the Governor's specific recommendation for change regarding House Bill 417 by the adoption of the Arendment. Cn the Order of Special Call - State and Local Government Administration - appears House Bill 561, total veto, page nine of the Calendar. And on that, the Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Panayotovich."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I move to override the Governor's veto of House Bill 561 - the Bill designed to create jobs and keep industries from moving out of Illincis and out of CUE country. It passed out of the House with 72 votes. It passed out of the Senate with 52 votes. It had bipartisan support. If I could tell you a little bit about what the Governor did. The identical Senate Bill was Senate Bill 133. He amendatory vetoed Senate Fill 133 to just include steel. And if I can indulge upon ycu for one minute just 47  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 83rd Legislative Day October 20, 1983 to read some of the Governor's remarks here on his amendatory veto. 'Since becoming Governor, I have opposed any legislation that would be... that would implement a protectionist buy-American policy for all state purchases and contracts and vetoed legislation similar to Senate Bill 133 in 1979. Such a policy would be foolish, short-sighted and dangerous.' This is from the Governor's message. Then he says, 'In spite of these problems though, however, I am sympathetic to the concerns of the General Assembly in passing buy-America legislation. Illinois continues to be in the thralls of high unemployment and slow economic growth, although the signs indicate recovery.' Why does the Governor just pick the steel industry? I am glad that he gave me the steel industry, because the steel industry is all in my district. But aren't other industries hurting? Isn't the automobile industry hurting, computer industry, garment industry? The list can go on and on. I urge an override of the Governor's veto. Thank you."

"The Gentleman from Cock, Mr. Panayotovich, has moved to override the Governor's veto of House Bill 561. On that, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from McLean, Mr. Bopp."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. I think this is an issue that has been debate long and hard during our previous Session, but let me say, first of all, I think it is important to take into consideration what this Bill could do should it become law. The State of Illinois is one of the largest exporting states in the nation. We are an exporting state, because we have tremendous effeciencies not only in agriculture production, but also in industrial production. What we're attempting to do here is to place a... fence, a border, an impregnable situation where we cannot, should foreign countries say, 'We don't see that 48  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 83rd Legislative Day October 20, 1983 you are interested in being involved in international trade. The problem that's going to arise if this Bill passes is that you're going to put more people out of work than you're going to provide job opportunities for, as the Sponsor SO vishes. And I think all of us here in this aisle and in this state want people to buy American products. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, we do that by producing a mousetrap that is better than our competitor; that we can produce it, and we can sell it at a price that our competitors and Consumers can purchase. Should this Bill pass, you are insisting that local units of government throughout the State of Illinois could be placed in a position to pay up to 15% more for the construction of buildings, of doing business in this state and in local governments. I don't think that it's fair in any way that we should tie the hands of local governments to say that you have to buy certain particular commodities. Let freedom, lez freedom be the answer. Freedom was the situation that brought people out of Europe to the United States. They sought freedom and bere, today, we're attempting to bind their hands so that the American people will be told what they should buy. Competition, competition is the thing that has built America, and should this Bill pass it totally erodes those beginning thoughts that form the foundation of America. Let us not eliminate competition. Let Us not be in a position where we have tied our hands for the freedcm to buy. On the other hand, let Us be a state, let us be a country that is in the position of wanting to sell America. We provide jobs in this country when we produce products and get rid of them. We don't provide jobs for those fecple that produce products and they sit in the warehouse or sit in the storage shed. They provide no incentives for US at all. 49  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 83rd Legislative Day October 20, 1983 Where we provide that opportunity is when we are in the position of merchandising and selling. There is no way in the world that we can, in any way, use all of the products that we so graciously and richly can produce efficiently in the United States. Do not hamper, do not hamper America's ability to produce by prohibiting its ability to get rid of the products internationally. We are a world, a world of buyers. Should this Bill pass, we will eliminate many, many of our buyers around this great world of ours. Do not do that by passage of this Bill. Do not place local units of government in a situation where they cannot buy based on a product that is produced for them that they can buy cheaply and still have good quality. This is totally tying the hands of local units of government and state units of government. Do not tie their hands. Be more open. Be involved in international sales. Help restore labor in this state and around the world by being a selling nation, not prohibiting what we can buy around the world. Trade is a two way street. Trade is needed in Illinois. We are the number one exporting state in the nation."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Er. Brookins."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of this Body. I rise in support of this Bill. We speak of jobs leaving Illinois. I don't think, in my district and the districts on the south side of the City of Chicago, East St. Louis, there's any possibility of any more jobs leaving those areas. It's totally just about gone. Training. They're training people in foreign countries to take the jobs that we traditionally held, because the labor there is cheap in the form of almost slave labor. So, yes, they can undersell State of Illinois and America today. We talk of quality of merchandise, quality of workmanship. This comes with training, the training that these people of 50  STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 83rd Legislative Day Octcber 20, 1983 these great companies should give to the people of our districts. We must have this Bill. It will spur the economy, I believe, and I, for that reason, urge an 'aye' vote."

"Thank you. The Gentleman from Kendall, Mr. Hastert."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I know we've had a great deal of rhetoric on this Bill not only this afternoon... this morning, excuse me, but also in past times. I just think there's a couple of issues and a couple of things we have to look at. First of all, I think that the fine Sponscr of this Bill has overlooked some real problems. And I think we're looking at economic problems.. We're looking at economic problems such as support of the end that we certainly can't address in this chamber and we really can't address with this Bill. We're looking at economic problems in this nation. I represent a district that in just one industry, in one industry and two factories, that we're employing 6,000 people less than we employed a year and a half ago - 6,000 people. That's a 50% drop. It's not... And buy-America and protectionism isn't going to help that. One of those problems is, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of this House, one of the problems is that, in this state and in this nation, we've lived fat for a long time. We've lived fat, because we've had some protectionism. We've lived fat, because we haven't had to tighten Our belt. We've lived fat, because ve haven't had to compete, and we haven't had to face a challenge. Well, let re τε11 you something right now. We're facing a challenge. Some of the industries in this state, some cf the industries in this nation face the challenge of life or death. And if we start protecting those, we're keeping those people frcu 51  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF BEPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 83rd Legislative Day October 20, 1983 meeting a challenge. We're keeping those workers in my district and I know in some of your districts from meeting the challenge to do a better job, frca management from the challenge of doing a better job, cf being effecient and getting the job done. We don't need protectionist issues. We don't need protectionist legislation in this chamber ΟΙ in any chamber in this country. What we need is people to roll up their sleeves, to get to work, to do the job by the sweat of their brow. That's what brought this country up. That's what made this country great, and it's not Bills like this that are superfluous and just do SOME window dressing to an issue. I ask for you, ladies and Gentlemen in this chamber, to sustain the Governor's veto."

"Gentleman from McHenry, Mr. Klemm."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. You know, there's a number of people watching the progress of this Fill other than us here in the General Assembly, and these people are some friends and partners of CUIS in the trade and business community outside of the United States. And the reason I mention that is because this summer I had the opportunity to visit London and Paris, and it was interesting to see that they over there are concerned about the buy-American Bills that we're talking about here in Illinois and 1' sure in other areas. And there was a concern over there that if, in fact, ve want the frctectivisw (sic protectionism) of buy-American, that maybe they, in turn, should have their protectivism (sic protectionism) of buy their products from their country exclusively also. You know, I own a small manufacturing company that does export work. We provide a number of jobs for a number of people. We certainly rely on the exfort industry and the exporting of our products, good American products that were made with good, hard-working hands of guality that we've been known 52  83rd Legislative Da y STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE Octcber 20, 1983 for, and we sell them.. And we sell those products at higher prices than the European market, for example, and they buy it because they want our products. Eut could you see what it would do to the American employee who perhaps no longer would be working for a small company such as myself or others because I can't sell шу products any longer, because they are buying European or buying their products in retaliation for Ου buy-American. So, sometimes we may be shortsighted. And I can understand and I appreciate the Sponsor's concern, because we all have that concern of creating employment and jobs in Illinois and the United States. Certainly, we should dc all we can. But is this really the way to, in one hand, say we'll create jobs but, on the other hand, really, truly taking away jobs. I think we should be careful on it. I don't think this is the solution of protectivism (sic protectionism) that ... which was tried way back when when Wilson and everybody else said, "Let's have an isolationism of America.' That's a big country. It's a big world, and I think we should do all we can to enccurage foreign trade. And I do stand in opposition of this Bill."

"Being no further discussico, the Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Panayotovich, to close."

"Thank you... Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. The previous speakers that stood in opposition to my override mentioned many things that we have debated, and they're right in the things that have been said on the floor. I have nct had the opportunity to go overseas and check out what the other countries say about us, but I also know that other countries have their own buy-ccuntry packages. They don't worry about us. They subsidize their companies so that they could sell products cheaper here. Go around the state here in Illinois and see 53  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 83rd Legislative Day October 20, 1983 the people that are not fat.. As ancther previous speaker says, there is a lot of fat, but the people in the state are not fat because they're not working. We've got to have these people back to work. And in clcsing, I'll repeat some of the things that have been said and a few more things. Six out of ten top manufacturing states have buy-America legislation. Six of out the top ten exporting states have buy-America legislation with no evidence of retaliation. Thirty-eight states ncw have some sort of buy-America legislation. President Reagan recently, in his road building program, has went buy-America. Senator Percy and Senator Dixon one month ago on a dias in my district supported buy-America. Lieutenant Governor Ryan, who was also on that same dias, supported buy-Azerica legislation.. The Governor has amendatory vetced Senate Bill 133 to support buy-America legislation in a piece in one industry that he says is hurting. I think we should all think about our votes. The economy is in trouble. This could be a stepping stone to recovery. It's not a cure-all, but I don't think that ме want to be the last state to pass buy-America legislation. And I urge to override the Governor's vetc. Thank you."

"The Gentleman... The question is, 'Shall House Bill 561 pass, the veto of the Governor notwithstanding?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'nay'. Voting is now open. This is final action. Have all voted who wish? Have all vcted who wish? Μπ. Clerk... Ms. Alexander, is yours working? You're alright. Okay. Alright. Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Motion, there are 59 voting 'aye, 48 voting 'no', 3 voting 'present, and the Motion to override fails. Representative Matijevich in the Chair."

"Page 12 of the Calendar appears House Bill 54  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMPLY HOUSE OF BEPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 83rd Legislative Day October 20, 1983 833. The Lady from Cook, Representative Karpiel."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 833... First of all, I MOVE to accept the Governor's amendatory vetc on Bouse Bill 833. The Bill simply requires that the Departsent of Revenue provide cities and counties with quarterly reports that break down local sales tax collections by category of business. This legislation was recommended by the Iccal Accounting Task Force and has been endorsed by local officials throughout the state. The Governor amended the legislation in two ways. Since revealing tax information on any individual taxpayer is prohibited by law, the GoverncI changed... change is to prohibit disclosure if in any area one business is an entire category. The other change is simply a change in the reporting date that will require the Department to release the date 90 days after the final tax returns for the quarter have been received."

"The Lady from Cook has moved to accept the Governor's specific recommendations with regards to House Bill 833. Is there any discussion? If not, the question is, 'Shall the House accept the Governor's specific recommendations for change with respect to House Eill 833 by adoption of the Amendment?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? Clerk will take the record. Cn this question, there are 112 'ayes', nc 'nays', and this Motion, having received the Constitutional Majority, prevails. And the House accepts the Governor's specific recommendations for change regarding House Bill 833 by the adoption of the Amendment. On State and Local Government Administration appears House Bill 842. The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Hastert."

"Mr. Speaker, thank you very much. I'm not from Cook. 55  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 83rd Legislative Day I'm from Kendall." October 20, 1983

"I'm sorry. I was aware of that."

"My Cosponsor of this Bill is from Cook, Representative Keane. 842 was a Bill that came out of the Local Governments Accounting Task Force, and what it did was basically say that the Department of Community and Commerce (sic Commerce and Community) Affairs should notify local governments once a year on changes, statutory changes that directly affect them. Last spring we amended the Bill at the request of the Department of Community and Commerce (sic Commerce and Community) Affairs to narrow it down to include three governments, basically municipalities, township governments and county governments, but we also put in the statute that the notification would come in one periodical once a year to simplify it. And this was done as DCCA'S request. Evidently, what happened is the Department had some changes; and, when they made the recommendations to the Governor's Office, the new people in that area did not realize that they had already amended this Bill and they had tentatively agreed to those Amendments. The arguments for the override of the veto is that there are almost 1,400 municipalities, small governments, in this State of Illinois. About 800 of them belong to the Municipal League. That means there's quite a number. And usually the most small governments, towns, villages whose people administer that government are not full-time people but part-time people need to be notified. This Bill would fill that request also with township government and also with county government. The issue is that there are some small communities falling through the cracks that need to be notified of the laws and the statutes that we pass here on this floor. I think, without any further ado and be happy to answer any 56  STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 83rd Legislative Day October 20, 1983 questions, but I ask for you to override the Governor's veto or to pass this Bill, the Governor's veto not sustaining. Thank you, Mr. Speaker."

"With leave of the House, the Associated Press is taking some pictures here.. Representative Hastert has moved that House Bill 842 pass, notwithstanding the veto of the Governor. Is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 9... 842 pass, the veto of the Governor notwithstanding?' Those in favor signify by voting 'aye', opposed by voting 'no'. Final action. Have all voted? Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 104 'ayes', 4 'nays', 1 answering 'present', and House Bill 842 does pass, the veto of the Governor notwithstanding. Page 12 of the Calendar is House Bill 933. The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Bowman. Representative Bowman."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Fiscal year 1983 just past was the year of the Cinderella budget. It turned into a pumpkin on election night. We had heard glowing reports from the Governor's Office for months about the... the rosy fiscal condition of the state and how all other midwestern states were going down the fiscal drain, but Illinois was as strong as ever. And then following election night we discovered that suddenly we were in the midst of a terrible fiscal crisis which, as you know, resulted in the tax increase past spring. Now, how did that happen? How was it possible for everyone to believe that we were in good fiscal condition at a time when, in fact, we, too, were going down the drain? The answer is very simple. The standard that most people use to determine whether we're in good shape or bad shape is our available cash balance. And sure enough, that 57  83rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE October 20, 1983 available cash balance was maintained at a low but not an alarming... not an alarmingly low level for a period of several months, and it was maintained that way by a lot of fancy juggling, funds being shifted between accounts, proclaiming reimbursements or accelerating federal reimbursements and a number of other accounting techniques that, had we been able to detect early cn, we would have been able to have avoided the trauma, at least, of the tax increase Session this last spring. Now, 933, as introduced, requires the Bureau of the Budget to report quarterly to the General Assembly on the projected cash needs of the state and the projected cash balance for the insuing four quarters. That way we have projections. Then if things... We have a benchmark or some means of detecting, in advance, whether we are heading for trouble. Now, the Governor vetoed this Bill amendatorily. In his veto message, he lent his support to the quarterly publication of budgetary information required by the Legislature of the Bureau of the Budget. He supported that concept. He said that was okay, but he did something that was very diabolical. I will give... I will give the Governor great credit for his skill in using the amendatory veto this year. I don't think he... he wants this Bill to pass. What he did was he, by amendatory veto, said that if it's good for the Bureau of the Budget to publish this information, well maybe we should have the Comptroller do it and maybe we should have the Economic and Fiscal Commission do it, too. He said it would be more enlightening if we had separate estimates. Well, normally it would be a good idea to get separate estimates of things like GMP growth and so forth. That's why we subscribe to Chase, Econometrics and to DEI both; but, when it comes to cash needs of the state and cash balances, a lot depends 58  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEEATE 83rd Legislative Day October 20, 1983 upon the discretion of the Governor. He can, at his discretion, transfer funds between... or monies between funds or not. He alone determines when he's going to claim reimbursements from the Federal Government. So, unless the Comptroller of the state and unless the Economic and Fiscal Commission can learn how to read his mind, there is absolutely no way in which they can accomplish the purpose of his amendatory veto. So, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I'm asking your support for my Motion to override the Governor's amendatory veto, to return the Bill to its original form which, according to his own amendatory veto message, he says he supports the concept of the Bureau of the Budget providing this information. And I think that that being the case that we should override this amendatory veto and secure that information at the earliest possible date."

"Representative Bowman has moved that House Bill 933 do pass, the veto of the Governor notwithstanding. The Gentleman from Livingston, Representative Ewing."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I rise to oppose the Representative's Motion to override the Governor's veto. First of all, in his discussion of his Motion, I failed to hear any legitimate reasons why the Comptroller, who loves to issue reports, and the Economic and Fiscal Commission, who issues reports quarterly, can't comply with the Governor's veto. This Bill could easily get the award for being the Partisan Bill of the Session, though it has probably not the most important subject matter. Ladies and Gentlemen, we all deserve to have the information that these organizations and these agencies have, and we deserve to have that at our fingertips to make the important decisions that we need to make in this General Assembly about the budget and about holding the 59  STATE OF ILLINGIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION СЕВАТЕ 83rd Legislative Da y Octcber 20, 1983 line on expenditures. There's no reason that the Bureau of the Budget, the arm of the Governor, cust divulge its information while the Comptrcller and the Economic and Fiscal Commission goes merrily on their way and issues what little they want when they want. The Governor's veto, amendatory veto is good. I think that if we're going to have this Bill at all, then we need to have it as it vas amendatorily vetoed. And I say to the people on this side of the aisle, because I'm sure those are the ones that will support my position, we need to vote 'nc' on this cverride and let him adopt the amendatory veto. Thank you."

"Hoods Bowman to close."

"Well, thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'm really shocked that the Gentleman suggests that this is a partisan Bill. What is really at stake here at the bed rock is the relationship between the Legislature and the Executive regardless of whc controls the chambers and regardless of who sits in the Governor's chair. The question is whether we're going to let ourselves at anytime in the future get sandbagged into another tax increase and going gerrily along our way thinking that the state is in a very icsy fiscal condition when, in fact, the opposite is the case. The Gentleman suggests that it would be good to accept the atendatory language, because we ought to get this information from the Comptroller and the Economic and Fiscal Commission. The trouble is, Ladies and Gentlemen, I would remind you, they cannot read minds, and they... in particular, they cannot read the mind of the Governor to know when he will transfer monies from special funds into the General Fund. They cannot read his mind to kuow when he will apply for federal reimbursement. There is no way that any independent agency can comply with the terms of the arendatory veto. So, what the Governor did, in an attempt to kill the Bill, was to 60  83rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINΟΙΣ 83RD GENEBAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE Octcber 20, 1983 love it to death. He put language in there that makes it sound like this is apple pie and motherhood. But let ге tell you, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, that is not so. He is trying to kill this Fill with 1cve and affection, and I think we shouldn't let him get away with it. Let's assert our legislative prerogative here and vote for this override Motion."

"Representative Bowman has moved that House Bill 933 pass, the veto of the Governor notwithstanding. Those in favor signify by voting 'aye', opposed by voting 'no'. This is final action. Reguires three-fifths vote. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 64 'ayes', 46 'nays, and the Motion is declared lost. House... On page ten of the Calendar, House Bill 1032. Gentleman from Cock, Representative Taylor. Representative Taylor on House Bill 1032."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. House Bill 1032 is a good Bill we heard the other day. I won't prolong the House with a lot of discussion. It's a Bill that I think that we need; because, in this particular proposal, the tomb disposal unit Fill is one that might will save you all life in this very Capitol complex if things keep going as they are going. I solicit your support for the override of the veto message of the Governor on House Bill 1032."

"Eepresentative Taylor Ecves that House Bill 1032 pass, the veto of the Governor notwithstanding. On that, the Gentleman from DeWitt, Representative Vinson."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I would urge the Membership again to reject and vote до on this particular Motion, and I would urge the Membership to vote 'no' on this particular Motion not 61  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 83rd Legislative Day October 20, 1983 because it's a bad program. The Gentleman has come, I think, with a good program. I just don't feel that we can afford to spend the money in this particular fiscal year for this kind of program. I think authorizing this kind of a program a year or two down the road when the economy is in better shape and state finances are in better shape might be a good idea. But at this particular time, when we've been compelled to reject so many other good programs, I think we ought to reject this one, too, and I would urge a 'no' vote."

"Representative Hallock, the Gentleman from Winnebago. No. Alright. Representative Taylor to close."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I still think the Bill does not cost that amount of money in order to put a bomb disposal unit in this district. It's permissive legislation. It doesn't require the 20 districts in this state to... it doesn't mandate them to have a bomb disposal unit. And in the Governor's veto message, that seems to be the implication that he's doing, saying that it is mandatory, but it's not. And he said it will cost from five to seven million dollars, which I would disagree. I think in order to get a unit in this State Capitol complex and this police unit it would only take about 500,000 dollars. I renew my support for House Bill 1032."

"Representative Taylor moves that House Bill 1032 pass, the veto of the Governor notwithstanding. Those in favor signify by voting 'aye', opposed by voting 'no'. Final action. Three-fifths vote. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 55 'ayes', 48 'nays', 1 answering 'present', and the Motion is declared lost. House Bill 1067, on page ten of the Calendar. Gentleman from Cook, Representative Steczo." 62  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE October 20, 1983 83rd Legislative Day

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. I would move, at this time, to override the Governor's veto of House Bill 1067. House Bill 1067 was a Bill that amended the Revenue Act with relation to park districts which lease property and exempted that property from property tax liability if the lease was for a dollar or less a year, and there's a 20% ceiling per park district on the authority to grant this exemption. When this Bill first appeared befcre the House in the House Revenue Committee, it was basically a carte blanche authority. However, due to SoLE guestions that were brought to our attention by the Members of the Revenue Committee, we did make two changes. And those two changes were, number one, that the Bill had to be limited to the whole question of open space. Secondly, we put a cap on 20 acres per park district. The Governor, in his veto message, indicated that this would deprive local units of government of much needed revenue. Ecwever, if you take the worst example and take a piece of proferty that's assessed at 50,000 dollars per acre, you're talking realistically about a loss in inccre of approximately 1,100 dollars per acre which really is not a great burden of loss for those units of local government. Eut what it does do is allow park districts to provide those kind of recreational activities in open spaces to people in areas, especially clder areas, land-locked areas more immediately. House Bill 1067 is an alterņative to increasing local property taxes, because the financing of any kind of open spaces of this type generally would be through the issuance of general obligation bonds which would, of course, mean an increase in local property taxes. And additionally what we're talking about here, too, is the usage and use for recreational purposes of what now might be vacant lots, which are eye sores to a community and tend to be cvergrown 63  STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 83rd Legislative Day Octcber 20, 1983 with weeds, litter and other kind of factors. The 20 acre ceiling that we have placed in House Bill 1067 actually makes the revenue impact, I feel, negligible. And So, to answet ancther question that the Governor had in his veto message about loss of revenue, by taking this property basically off the property tax rolls for a limited period of time by contract, actually is ne different than if the park district bought this particular property. That property would be taken off the tax rolls permanently. However, we are giving an opportunity for people in areas to receive recreational services that they might not receive DOW, and we think that the Fill is limited in its scope. And I would ask the House, at this time, to override the Governor's veto of House Eill 1067."

"Representative Stec20 has moved that House Bill 1067 do pass, the Governor'ς vetc notwithstanding. There being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 1067 pass, the veto of the Governor notwithstanding?' A11 those in favor signify by voting 'aye', opposed by voting 'nc'. Final action. Beguires three-fifths vote. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 93 ayes", 19 'nays, and House Bill 1067 does pass, the veto of the Governor notwithstanding, having received the Constitutional Three Fifths Majcrity. House Bill 1208 appears cn page 13 of the Calendar. Leave to return to this Bill in a moment. House Eill 1371 on page 13. Gentleman from Cook, Representative Woods Bowman."

"Thank you, Br. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Ι... The Bill, in its original form, was a basically housekeeping Bill involving Central Management Services, and it provided for timely payments to owners of real estate who lease their property to the state. And it 64  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENEBAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 83rd Legislative Day October 20, 1983 was an agreed Bill earlier in the Session, and it had been vetoed by the Governor. However, the Governor has sent a letter to me which I have shared with the Leadership on both sides of the aisle, and he is supporting my Motion to override his veto. The letter says that the... 'Since the date of my amendatory veto, I have been in contact with the interested parties to House Bill 1371. The Department of Central Management Services bas ncw removed their objections and are satisfied with the Bill as originally passed, is in the best interest of the state and cur vendors. Therefore, I am not opposed to an override of my amendatory veto of this Bill. Sincerely, James R. Thompson, Governor." I nou ask the House to adopt this Motion to override the amendatory veto of the Governor."

"Representative Bowman has moved that House Bill 1371 do pass, the veto of the Governor notwithstanding. There being no guestion... discussion, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 1371 pass, the veto of the Governor notwithstanding?' Those in favor signify by voting 'aye', opposed voting 'no'. Final action. Beguires three-fifths vote. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. Cn this question, there are 110 'ayes', 3 'nays', and this Mction, having received the Constitutional Majority, House Bill... Three-Fifths Majority, House Bill 1371 is declared passed, the veto of the Governor notwithstanding. Representative O'Connell is not back yet? House Bill... Cn page ten of the Calendar appears House Bill 932 on Total Veto Motions. Gentleman from Cook, Representative Bonan. Is Representative Ronan on the floor? We'll... Leave to return to that. Representative O'Connell is now on the floor. On page 13 of the Calendar, House Bill 1208. Gentleman from Cook, Representative O'Connell." 65  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 83rd Legislative Day October 20, 1983

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 1208 was amendatorily vetoed by deleting certain language in the major Bill. The Bill was an attempt to exceed to a recent United States Supreme Court case and Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals case which raised the strong possibility of anti-trust liability on municipalities, both home rule and non-home rule municipalities."

"One moment, Representative O'Connell. Are you on a total override or the accept?"

"I'm sorry. For the total override."

"Alright. Proceed."

"The... The vulnerability of both home rule and non-home rule municipalities prompted Representative McCracken and I to introduced House Bill 1208. With the cooperation of the attorneys for the Municipal League and other attorneys, we put together what we felt was an adequate, efficient response to the guidelines that the United States Supreme Court set forth for providing for municipal immunity against anit-trust measures. The Governor deleted certain language in the Bill which we feel, at least I feel, has the strong possibility of eliminating non-home rule municipalities from that immunity against anti-trust actions. The specific language which he deleted referred to a phrase 'within the traditional activities of local government'. That language, I feel, should remain in the Bill because of its implications on non-home rule municipalities. I would simply ask for its favorable adoption, and I would defer to my Cosponsor, Representative McCracken, to complete the remarks."

"Representative O'Connell has moved that House Bill 1208 pass, the veto of the Governor notwithstanding. Representative McCracken." 66  STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF BEPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CЕБАТЕ 83rd Legislative Day

"Thank Octcber 20, 1983 you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This is a somewhat merky area of federal case law. We are trying to reconcile by this Fill, and I must confess that I was the proponent of the amendatory vetc based on my reading of some federal anti-trust cases. We have agreed that the language is unimportant io the context of achieving compliance with those anti-trust cases, but apparently the municipal attorneys involved in this matter feel that it is necessary from the point of view of municipal inclusion. They cite the possibility inadvertently leaving out of protection for non-hcme rule units, and it is for that reason that I will defer to those attorneys and withdraw my Motion to accept and acquiase in Representative O'Connell's Motion to override."

"There being nc further discussion, the question is, 'Shall1 Senate (sic House) Bill 1208 pass, the veto of the Governor notwithstanding? Those in favor signify by voting 'aye", opposed voting 'no". Final action. Requires Three-Fifths Majority. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. Од this question there are 111 'ayes', 2 nays, and the Motion prevails. And House Bill 1208, having received the Constitutional Three-Fifths Majcrity, is declared passed, the veto of the Governor notwithstanding. Page two of the Calendar, од the Order of House Eills Second Reading, appears House Bill 2304. The Clerk will read the Bill."

"House Bill 2304, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Unified Code of Corrections. This Bill has been read a second tise previously. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"floor Amendment #1, Van Duyne Flinn, amends House Bill 2304 on page one, line one and five and so 67  STATE OF ILLINGIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 83rd Legislative Day forth."

"Representative Van Cuyne October 20, 1983 and... ΟΙ Flinn. Are either on the floor? Is there anybody ready to handle this Amendment? House  83rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENEBAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE October 20, 1983 of House Bill 2310. There being no discussion, those in favor will signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 88.. 89 'aye', no 'nays', 18 voting 'present', and this Bill, having received the Constitutional Three-Fifths Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bills Third Reading, Short Debate Calendar, House Bill 1613, 1982. Capparelli is off the floor for the moment. leave to return to those Bills. Leave. House Bills Third Reading, House Eill 569. Representative Braun is off the floor. Leave to return to that Bill. House Bill 2281. Amendments being passed out. Leave to return House Bill 2281 to the Order of Second Reading for a technical Arendment. Leave. The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Cullerton. Arendments from the floor? Representative McCracken, for what purpose do you rise?"

"I love the adoption of the Amendment. Amendment #26."

"One moment. We'ге... Read..."

"I'd ask leave to return the Bill to Second Beading for purpose of a technical Amendment."

"One moment. The Clerk's got to catch up. The Bill number is 2281, and we had leave to return it to the Order of Second Reading for the Amendment. Now, Clerk... Mr. Clerk, are there any Atenduents?"

"Amendment #26, McCracken - Cullerton, amends House Bill 2281 on page three...."

"Representative McCracken has moved for the adoption of Amendment #26. There being no further discussion, those in favor sa y 'aye', opposed 'nay'. Amendment #26 is adopted. Are there further Amendments?"

"No further Auendments." 69  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 83rd Legislative Day October 20, 1983

"Third Reading. Leave to hear 2281. The Gentleman... The Gentleman from Cock, Representative McCrack... Cullerton, on House Bill 2281 on Third Reading. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 2281, a Bill for an Act to create the Business Corporation Act. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Gentleman from Cock, Representative Cullerton."

"Mr. Speaker..."

"No, Cullerton. Oh, you're on, Representative Cullerton. Oh, you're yielding to Representative McCracken. Alright. Representative McCracken."

"Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, House Bill 2281 is the comprehensive revision to the Business Corporation Act of 1933 and will be known as the Business Corporation Act of 1983. It is patterned after the model Business Corporation Act and is the result of work commenced approximately two years ago by the Secretary of State's Advisory Committee for this purpose. It has been endorsed by all the major business and labor groups of the state and represents a compromise position between the Delaware statute, which is known as a very liberal management statute, and incorporates certain provisions of that statute as well as certain shareholder provisions which result in a balanced approach to the problems of incorporation in the State of Illinois. It is considered an important step forward in this area of the law and has been fully aired by all interested parties and has been the subject of public comment and publication in the past. I would ask the passage of House Bill 2281."

"Representative McCracken has moved that House Bill 2281 do pass. There being no discussion, the 70  STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 83rd Legislative Day October 20, 1983 question is, 'Shall House Bill 2281 pass?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', opposed by voting "no". Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 109 'ayes', no 'nays', 2 answering 'present', and this Bill, having received the Constitutional... required Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Leave... Leave to return to Third Beadings. We'll... We're now on the Order of House Bills Second Reading appears House Bill 2304. The Clerk will read the Eill."

"House Bill 2304, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Unified Code of CorrectionS. This Bill has been read a second time previously. NO Committee Arendments."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"Floor Amendment #1, Van Duyne, amends House Bill 2304 on page one, line one and five and so forth."

"Gentleman from Will, Representative Van Duyne."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This Amendment was brought to me by Representative Flinn, and all it does is simply make House Bill 2304 applicable to county and municipal jails as well and houses of correction. And I move for its adoption."

"Representative Van Duyne has moved for the adoption of Amendment #1. All those in faver say 'aye', opposed "nay, and Amendment #1 is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"Flocr Amendment #2, Cullerton, amends House Bill 2304..."

"Gentleman from Cock, Representative Cullerton, on Amendment #2."

"Thank you, Μr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of 71  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 83rd Legislative Day October 20, 1983 the House. This Bill deals with the issue of double celling. Currently in the statutes, on the bocks right now, is a law that says that all new remodeled and newly designed institutions or facilities shall provide at least fifty square feet of cell room or dormitory floor space for each person. Now, in order to allow for double celling, it's necessary to simply strike the word 'for each'... the words 'for each person'. That would allow for the double celling. I think that Representative Van Duyne inadvertently struck the entire language requiring that new or remodeled institutions or facilities provide at least fifty square feet of cell room, and I believe that he is in support of this particular Amendment. This would allow for the... If this Amendment is adopted, it would allow for the double celling, but it would say that, for the purposes of new construction or new renovation, we still will have the fifty square feet of cell room available SO that in the future, if the prison crowding problem is alleviated, we can ... we will have the properly designed facilities. I move for the adoption of Amendment #2."

"Representative Cullerton moves for the adoption of Amendment #2. All those in favor... Ch. Representative Cullerton, I'm sorry."

"I note that the Amendment has the word 'space' typed in twice. There is supposed to be a line through the second word 'space'. I would ask to amend on its face."

"Leave to amend it on its face. Leave. There being no further discussion, all in favor of Amendment #2 say 'aye', opposed 'nay', and Amendment #2 is adopted. Are there further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"The Bill remains on Second Reading Second Legislative Day. On the Order of House Bills Third Reading 72  STATE CF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 83rd Legislative Day Cctober 20, 1983 appears House Bill 2300, Representative Mautino. The Clerk will read the Eill."

"House Bill 2300, a Pill for an Act to amend Sections of the Surface Mine Land Conservation and Reclamation Act. Third Reading of the Eill."

"Bepresentative Mautino."

"Thank you veгу much. Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. During the last Session, the Aggregate Mining Problem Study Commission, which is a part of the Federal Land Reclamation Act, was inadvertently wiped out as of October 1st, 1983 when, in fact, it was our notification that we were to operate until October 1st of '86. What... We have already appropriated the funds last year for the Commission. It is not a new Commission. What it does is extend the life of the Commission to its original form which is October 1st of '86. That's all the Bill does."

"Representative Mautino has moved for the passage of House Bill 2300. There being no discussion, all those in favor signify by voting 'aye, opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 90.... 100 'ayes', 9 'nays', and House Bill 2300, having received the required Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Churchill, will you come to the podium for one moment? House Bill 2302, Representative Homer. The Clerk will read the Bill."

"House Bill 2302, a Bill for an Act to amend the Unified Code of Corrections. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Homer."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, House Bill 2302 would empower the state to enter into a long terr lease purchase agreement with private 73  83rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMPLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION СЕВАТЕ October 20, 1983 developers for the purpose of constructing, remodeling or converting structures to be used as a correctional center. There would be many possible advantages to the state as a result of such legislation. First and foremost, it would give the state added flexibility in dealing with the very serious and pressing problem of prison overcrowding that we now face. It would allow for the... for a more expeditious and faster construction of... of facilities or conversion of existing facilities as a result of not being mired in bureaucratic red tape. There would be no need for any appropriation whatsoever by the Legislature or any state expenditure until such facility were fully completed and ready for occupancy. It would actually also be less expensive to the state. Why? Because private investors would be able utilize certain federal tax advantages such as federal income tax credits and tax shelter depreciation and, also, take advantage of possible federal grants such as UDAG grants in order to build such a facility. There would be many built-in safeguards. If the legislation is passed, a lease would have to be negotiated by the Department of Central Management Services. It would have to be done with the authorization and recommendation of the Department of Corrections. The approval of the Governor would be required. The approval of the Capital Development Board would be required, and legislative approval would be required through the form of appropriation on a year to year basis. The proposal has been presented to the Governor's Task Force on Prison Crowding. It was approved in concept by that Task Force by a vote of 20 to 1, so long as the proposal could be shown to be cost effective. The House Judiciary Committee approved it unanimously this week, and it has been tentatively approved by the Governor's Office... Director of Budget in meetings very 74  83rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE October 20, 1983 recently. I would, therefore, ask that you look upon this legislation favorably, and I would urge your 'yes' vote."

"Representative Homer has moved for the passage of House Bill 2302. There being no discussion, those in favor of the passage of House Bill 2302 vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 110 'ayes', no 'nays', and House Bill 2302, having received the required Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 2305, the Gentleman from Cock, Representative Yourell. The Clerk will read the Bill, House Bill 2305."

"House Bill 2305, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Pension Code. Third Reading of the Bill."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Yourell."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, House Bill 2305 is necessary because of an inadvertence... an omission in House Bill 860 that we passed in the last Session. What it does, it provides for the IM... IMRF Article to clearly state that the pick up of all employees' contributions shall begin July 1st, 1984 and that contributions paid shall be deducted from the employees wages. There was some information circulated this would cost units of local government addition funds, but that's not accurate. It's not true. The deductions come from the employees wages, and I ask for a favorable Roll Call on House Bill 2305."

"Representative Yourell has moved for the passage of House Bill 2305. On that, the Gentleman from DeWitt, Representative Vinson."

"Yes, will the Sponsor yield for a question please?" 75  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF BEPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION СЕВАТЕ 83rd Legislative Day

Vinson: October 20, 1983 Froceed." "He indicates he will. "What about the provision for interest cost?" Yourell: ell: "NoW, that was Amendment #1, Representative Vinson. It provided for interest cost cf one half of one percent before July 1st, 1984, and оде percent per month thereafter."

"who pays that?"

"That's part of the deduction."

"So the employee would pay that."

"That's correct."

"Is there any conceivable way in which this can cause an increased cost to State Government?"

"No."

"What... And what about to locals?"

"No."

"Thank you."

"Being no further discussion, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 2305 pass?" Those in favor signify by voting 'aye", thcse opposed by voting 'nc'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 106 ayes', no nays'. House Bill 2305 declare... having received the required Constitutional Majority is hereby declared passed. House Bill 2306, the Gentleman from Cock, Representative Farley. The Clerk will read the... read the Bill."

"House Pill 2306, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of an Act making appropriations for certain officers and agencies. Third Reading of the Bill."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Farley."

"Thank you, Hr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. What House Bill 2306 does is provide additional monies to the Space Needs Commission for our additional 76  STATE OF ILLINGIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEHATE 83rd Legislative Day October 20, 1983 staff member that is already been hired, and he is to act as a project manager over the extericr restoration work that's taking place on the State Capitol. We have to have an onsight inspection almost daily. He also handles other projects that the Space Needs Commission, and this Body and this Legislature in very interested in, and I would appreciate a favorable Roll Call."

"Representative Farley bas moved for the passage of House Bill 2306. There being DG discussion, those in favor signify Ly voting 'aye', thcse opposed by voting 'nc'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 83 'ayes', 21 'nays', 3 answering 'present'. This Bill, having... Hastert 'aye'. This Fill, having received the Constitutional Three-Fifths Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 2308. Leave for Representative Cullerton to handle it for the Speaker. Leave. House Bill 2308, the Clerk will read the Bill."

"House Bill 2308, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Law Enforcement Officers, Civil Defense Workers, Civil Air Patrol Members, Faramedics and Firemen Compensation Act. Third Reading of the Bill."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Bepresentative Cullerton."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. We passed a Bill, House Bill 417, which had been amendatorily vetoed by the Governcr. It was intended that this House Bill 417 provide a death benefit, and for it to become effective for deaths cccurring after July 1st, 1983. Do to an oversight, those provisions would only become effective upon... signed into... when it was signed into law, SO this Bill is a Bill to correct that mistake and to allow for this death benefit to go to a fireman who 77  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION СЕВАТЕ 83rd Legislative Day October 20, 1983 did die in Chicago last July. So I would move for the passage of House Bill 2308."

"Representative Cullerton has moved for the passage of House Bill 2308. There being no discussion, those in favor signify by voting 'aye", those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all vcted? Pave all vcted who wish? The Clerk... Representative Cullerton. The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 104 'ayes', 7 'nays', and House Bill 2308, having received the Constitutional Three-Fifths Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 2309, Representative Stuffle, as one of the hyphenated Co-chief Sponsors is handling 2309. The Clerk will read the Bill."

"House Pill 2309, a Bill for an Act relating to the Illinois Development Finance Authority. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Bepresentative Stuffle."

"Mr. Speaker, Members of the Ecuse, 2309 is the Bill that we discussed at great length yesterday... and Representative Ewing in a debate with regard to the Amendment which became the Bill. The Amendment and the Bill now clean up the provisions of the Economic Development Package that Speaker Madigan, myself, Representative Mautino sponsored. It was signed into law. The changes embodied in the Arendment in the Bill now incorporate the agreements between the Sponsors and the Governor with regard to the... to the issues I raised yesterday and sighted on the Arendment including taking out any reference or any usage of appropriations from pension funds of the various public pension systems. We tighten up the amortization of loans. he tighten up the definitions in the Bill, and we provide for other technical changes. I would ask for your affirmative support, along with the 78  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 83rd Legislative Day October 20, 1983 Speaker and Representative Giorgi, in passing this Bill."

"Representative Stuffle has moved for the passage... the passage of House Bill 2308 (sic - 2309). There being no discussion, those in favor signify by voting 'aye', opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 102 'ayes', 12 'nays', and House Bill 2309, having received the Constitutional Three-Fifths Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 2311, Representative Rea. The Clerk will read the Bill."

"House Bill 2311, a Bill for an Act making appropriations of state funds. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Rea."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. House Bill 2311 provides 500,000 for the assistance in helping establish a national coal museum in the State of Illinois located at West Frankfort and, also, provides I believe it's 122,000 for soil mapping and another 25,000 for a grant to the Andrew School... High School of Tinley Park for their band to participate in the 1983 Thanksgiving Parade in Philadephia. And this... In terms of the national coal museum, there has been much local initiative, and the state has been involved in different ways, but there's been... Initially, there was 300,000 that was donated to establish the... help establish a coal museum, and there has been the UMWA, United Mine Workers of America, the Illinois Coal Association, both are in support of this. They... They have raised monies at the local level for memberships. They have also... Many of the coal companies... are providing equipment and so on, as well as UMWA expects to and has agreed to a check off to also assist with the program."

"Representative Rea has moved for the passage 79  STATE OF ILIINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY EGUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 83rd Legislative Day Octcber 20, 1983 of House Bill 2341. Those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'nc. Have all voted? This requires three-fifths vote. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. Represent... This Motion, having received 64 'ayes', 44 'nos'... Representative Bea."

"Yes, will you foll the absentees, please?"

"Foll of the Absentees, Mr. Clerk. I didn't mean to fast gavel you, Jim. I didn't see any lights OD."

"Poll of the Absentees. Eullock, John Dunn, Homer, Jaffe, McAuliffe, Mulcahey, Rice, Topinka, Turner and Vinson."

"On this Motion, there are 64 ayes', 44 'nays', and Representative Bea asks leave that House Bill 2311 be put on Postponed Consideration. Leave, and House Bill 2311 is on Fostponed Consideration. House Bill 2312, Currie.. The Clerk will read the Fill."

"House Bill 2312, a Bill fcr an Act relating to state taxes. Third Reading of the Eill."

"The Lady from Cook, Representative Currie."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. House Bill 2312 is a carefully crafted Fill that cakes nc substantive change whatsoever in five different state statutes. It is, of course, a Fill that if we were to pass it out of this llouse would put us in a position where in the event that it seems appropriate after hearings in Chicago this week and after further reports from the World's Fair Corporation would enable us to do something to... to help that operation get underway."

"Representative Currie acves for the passage of House Bill 2312. The Gentleman from Kendall, Representative Hastert."

"Would the Sponsor yield?" 80  STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 83rd Legislative Day October 20, 1983

"She indicates she will. Proceed."

"Representative Currie, you said it does relate to state taxes and you said it does change five separate statutes on state taxes. Would you mind telling us what statutes, and what effect and what change it does?"

"Representative Hastert, actually I didn't identify which statutes. I think that the title suggested that - the Liquor Control Act, the Retailers Occupation Tax Act, the Cigarette Tax Act, the Hotel Operator Occupation Tax Act, and the Ccin Operated... the Coin Operated Amusement Device Tax Act and the Lottery Law. The Pill, itself, makes grammatical and stylistic changes in each of those statutes."

"Thank you. Does it... One more question. Would it, by any chance... it doesn't raise or lower those taxes or the ability for a municipality or other governmental agency to raise those taxes?"

"Absolutely not. It does neither raise nor lower any of these taxes."

"Nor the ability of anybody to dc that in the future?"

"Nor the ability of anybody to dc anything they presently can."

"What does the... What does the Bill do then?"

"It is, as I say, it's a very... it's a carefully drafted Pill."

"You said crafted Bill before that..."

"Carefully crafted, I said. Yes, I think it's carefully crafted and carefully drafted both. It is a Bill that makes important stylistic changes in each of those five statutes. I feel actually what this House has long needed is a grammarian, somebody who can see to it that the statutes are in stylistically proper share, and I think that House Bill 2312 responds to a concern many have long 81  83rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE October 20, 1983 felt that there are problems in the language in many of our state statutes."

"Well, thank you. Mr. Sponsor, to the Bill... Mr. Chair... Mr. Speaker. I appreciate the fact that we want to get things grammatically correct. It's nice that we have income taxes, and sales taxes, and road taxes and gas taxes. I think we ought to have stylistic taxes too, so..."

"The Gentleman from DeWitt, Representative Vinson."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I rise in support of the Lady's legislation. Obviously, at this point, we do not know what this will finally be. The question of how a World's Fair Program should be structured is a question that requires very careful consideration. By moving this Bill over to the Senate, we afford them the opportunity to come in with a detailed program which we can then consider. I think that the legislation should pass at this time. I think that if the proposal is a good proposal in the final analysis, we can all come back and endorse it, and if it's a bad one in the final analysis, we can all come back and reject it. And at this point, all the Lady is doing is affording the opportunity for the possibility of a World's Fair at sometime in the future, and so, I would urge 'aye' votes on House Bill 2312."

"Representative Currie to close."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think the Bill has been thoroughly analyzed and explained on this floor, and I would appreciate 'yes' votes."

"Representative Currie moves for the passage of House Bill 2312. Those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. It takes 82  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 83rd Legislative Day October 20, 1983 three-fifths. Representative Pierce, Chairman of the Revenue Committee, to explain his vote."

"Mr. Speaker, the Gentleman from Clinton, I think, has convinced me to vote for this Bill, but I think I see a trend that I'm not too happy about in the General Assembly, and that is for those of us in the House of Representatives which they like to call the lower House over on the other side to pass vehicles whether it be nursing home, whether it be World's Fair, whether... whether... whatever it may be, McCormick place... have the substance done in the Senate or in a Conference Committee and not in our own Committees on the floor. And I just want to enter a caveat here with my 'aye' vote - that I hope in the future we'll be less rushed, we'll be more deliberate and we'll be able to formulate these Bills in the House of Representatives, but I know how important this is. It has bipartisan support, and I intend to vote 'aye' on this Bill."

"Have all voted? Have all voted? Have all voted? Have all... Have all voted? Now they've all voted. Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 73 'ayes', 26 'nays', 13 answering 'present', and House Bill 2312, having received the Constitutional Three-Fifths Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 2313, Clerk will read the Bill."

"House Bill 2313, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Chicago World's Fair 1992 Authority Act. Third Reading of the Bill."

"The Lady from Cook, Representative Currie."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. House Bill 2313 is another carefully crafted piece of legislation again having to do with the World's Fair. This legislation makes grammatical changes in the statute we created last year - a statute creating the World's Fair Authority. I would like to point 83  83rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF BEFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION LEBATE October 20, 1983 out to the Members of the House that the House Select Committee on the World's Fair is holding a day long hearing in Chicago this coming Monday where we will hear from organizers of the World's Fair, and I hope that that... that discussion and debate will give us insight into what appropriate role for this World's Fair Authority what that appropriate role might be. All the Members of the House, of course, are more than welcome to join us. I urge passage of House Bill 2313."

"Bepresentative Currie has moved for the passage of House Bill 2313. There being no discussion, those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'na'. Have all voted? Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? This Bill does not reguire three-fifths. Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 70 'ayes', 28 nays', 13 voting 'present', and House Bill 2313, having re received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 2314, Representative Ereslin. The Clerk will read the Bill."

"House Bill 2314, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to state funds. Third Heading of the Bill."

"Representative Breslin on House Bill 2313... 14 (sic 2314)."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Iadies and Gentlemen, this Bill appropriates two million dollars to the Department of Nuclear Safety to clean up a contaminated building in LaSalle County in the City of Ottawa. The building is contaminated with radium. It has a very long history. The business that ouned the building was a business that painted radium cn clock dials. The... As you know, radium is radioactive and has been linked very directly to the creation of... of cancers in human beings. The women that 84  STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES IRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 83rd Legislative Day worked while... with this... this Octcber 20, 1983 material would take paint brushes and put the radium cnto the clock dials. 10 the twenties and the thirties, these cmen would get a point on the brush that they were using by twitling the brush in their mouth. Those women have primarily died from bone cancer. We are... We are... Those of us who live in that community were very familiar with it. I had an aunt who died of it. The cancer started with the tongue and pretty soon she lost her teeth, and then it was part of the jaw bone, and then it was everywhere. That was a very real tragedy for the whole community of Ottawa. In the 1940's when we realized what the cause was and не realized what the dangers were, they, of course, finished using that kind of procedure, and they were told to handle it carefully but that it would still not create dangerous problems if they didn't injest it. As you know, there has... WE Dow know that people can be contaminated by exposure to radium, and it does not have to be injested in crder to cause cancerS. The rate of breast cancer among the women who worked in that facility is more than twice that which would be expected among the groups that have been tested. The 'Argone National Laboratory regularly tests all of the women that worked in that plant that are presently living. As a matter of fact, they have even exhumed many of the bodies to see how much radioactivity is still present in the cadavers that are still left. The building, itself, still sits in the center of the community of Ottawa completely contaminated with radium, The соmраnу that owned it has been prosecuted by the Illinois Attorney General's Office. The total amount of money that has been received from that prosecution Was dollars. We recently settled the end of from additional parties for 28,500 dollars. 65,000... 62,000 the case by... There is still 85  83rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE October 20, 1983 10,000 dollars left to come in that we believe we will be able to collect from a party in Mexico. The total amount, however, that will be collect is 62,000 dollars. The cost of the cleanup will be two million dollars. This money cannot be gotten from the Superfund monies on the federal level. We have already requested that and been denied. The major problem, Ladies and Gentlemen, is that the building is an old building. It was built in 1934. The Nuclear Regulatory Commission shut the business down in 1978, and the business, itself, went out of business because it would cost tcc much money to decontaminate the building. As a consequence, the cost is left to the taxpayers. If there are any questions, I would be happy to answer them."

"Representative Breslin has moved for the passage of House Bill 2314. The Lady from Lake, Representative Frederick."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, would the Sponsor yield for a question?"

"She indicates she will. Proceed."

"Could you tell us, Representative Breslin, what is the name of the company that owns the building?"

"The name of the company is Luminesce Processing."

"And are they still located in Ottawa in another..."

"No. No, they are not. They are no longer in business."

"Would it not be less expensive to tear the building down and haul away the pieces of the building, rather than decontaminate it?"

"The... In order to eliminate the contamination... Of course, radioactive contamination can never be destroyed. It will exist forever. As a consequence, it must be decontaminated before it is even touched. If... If for..." 86  STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 83rd Legislative Day October 20, 1983 One of the major, major dangers is that the building is old, and if it catches on fire, it will carry the contamination throughout the community and to all of our communities depending on what the prevailing winds are. It has to be decontaminated and may... It will be taken apart piece by piece - all of the walls, the floors, the ceiling boards, every piece of material. It will be stripped to the bricks, and then there will be a radiation survey done of the bricks and mortar to see if the bricks and mortar are also contaminated. The Department of Nuclear Safety wants to level the building and ccmpletely eliminate it. They can then decontaminate the scil, and the land can be sold again."

"Do... Is there a finite limit on the radicactive life of radium or does it just go on forever and ever?"

"Radium goes on forever and ever. It has an eternal life as far as we know."

"And then finally, is it true... I have heard this. Is it true that that building actually glows at night?"

"It is... It is true. It does not glow on the outside. It glows on the inside. As a matter of fact, one of the problems - the health prcblems - that people have contracted is that they have turcrs on their feet. That is... They are benign tumorς, but they believed it was from... caused by walking OD the floor. The floor, in particular, it just glows from the residual radium that... that fell to the floor. That, I might add, was carried out by the workers to their homes, as... as... in the normal process of walking into the building and walking out of the building. The outside of the Fuilding is also contaminated. Part cf the street is blocked off by the Department of Transportation because it is above the acceptable levels of radiation exposure that society could 87  83rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILIINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE October 20, 1983 accept by... by walking on that side of the street."

"Okay. Thank you very cuch."

"You're welcome."

"Representative Brunsvold."

"Sponsor yield for questions?"

"She indicates she will."

"Who owns the property now - the company or the city?"

"The owner of the property is Luminesce Processing. They were the people that contaminated the property in the first place. The building is in receivership and is being administered by the courts. The whole decontamination process is being supervised by the courts. When the building is decontaminated and leveled, then those... the property will be owned by the mortgagor who... which is the 'Streetor' National Bank and by the State of Illinois. The mortgagor will probably have the first claim, but any money that would be gained by the sale of the property will first go to the mortgagor and then to the State of Illinois."

"Representative, what are they going to do with the radium that they take out of the building? They going to 'Sheffield' with that?"

"The rad... No, the radium will go to one of the two low level radioactive waste facilities in the nation, and this one is in Hanford, Washington."

"So the transportation there would be part of the cost. Right?"

"Yes, that would be part of the cost."

"Thank you."

"Representative Klemm. Representative O'Connell."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. A question of the Sponsor."

"Froceed." 68  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION СЕВАТЕ 83rd Legislative Da y October 20, 1983

"I'm sorry, Representative. I was in a conversation earlier. Did you address why you cannot obtain the funds from the Superfund?"

"Yes. We have already applied for... requested to be placed on the Superfund list. We were denied that status. The major reason we were denied the status was because it is a contained facility. The Superrund structure is... was specifically designed to address those issues that contaminate air and water. Eight now the contamination is confined, so it didn't, under the present federal schedule, get enough points to qualify for federal Superfund monies."

"You're raising a very interesting guestion of public policy, and it's a difficult cne because I think every Member of this Body is sympathetic to that issue. However, in my district, for example, there are three or four locations where cyanide chips have been found, and it has been estimated by the Attorney General that it will cost us approximately two million dollars to remove that as well. And we've alsc applied to... to Superfund, and..."

"Has the status been determined?"

"We have not had a status determined as of yet."

"Okay. That... That is definitely a public policy question that I think that Congress will have to address. At the present time, there has been no change in the status of that... that request."

"Not to prolong the dialogue, but how do we address the public policy question of diverting a large segment of money for one isolated building? 1 can see the... the risks inherent in leaving the building there. Can you address as to how we can justify the benefits that we would give to this one singular location of the million How do we justify that?"

"I would say that it would be the same as it would be dcllars? 89  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 83rd Legislative Day October 20, 1983 for addressing the problem in... in every singular location throughout the State of Illinois. If this building catches fire, and again - that is the major concern - the radiation contamination spreads not just to the cccsunty of Ottawa but to wherever the prevailing winds are. At the present time, the contamination in that building is 170 tises above the acceptable human level for human beings. It sits in the center of the community of Ottawa. It is eight blocks from my house. It is eight blocks from most people's houses. It can travel to your house depending on what the winds are. It is a public safety...\" O'Connell: \"Is... Is there any input from local or township government or county government in forms of matching funds?\" Breslin: \"There... There haven't been to date. At present time, we have just gone to the Circuit Court and litigated the company, the directors of the company personally and all additional parties that could be joined.\" O'Connell: \"I mean in terms of governmental participation. We're asking the state... has the county, LaSalle County, wherever county it's in, or the township or the City of Ottawa have they provided any local input in terms of funds?\" Breslin: \"I don't believe so, but I must say that I don't know. I believe that they were the initial people that did things like roof the building when the roof was caving in. They, of course, did that because again there was... the radiation was... was spilling out of the building and because of the rain kept coming in and carrying the radiation contamination outside, but they have been reimbursed from the 62,000 dollars for that roofing job. I do know that.\" Speaker Matijevich: \"The Gentleman from Pecria, Representative 90  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 83rd Legislative Day October 20, 1983 Saltsman. "

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, I move the previous question."

"Representative Saltsman has moved the previous question. Those in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay', and the previous question prevails. Representative Breslin to close."

"Thank you, Ladies and Gentlemen. No question - this is a lot of money. There's no question that this is a dangerous situation. It is a matter of priorities. We all have to decide why government exists and where to spend our money most wisely. My personal opinion is that the major reason for the existence of government is to take care of public health and safety. I think education is important. I think day care is important. I think all of those issues are important, but the most important issue is public health and safety, and it's protection. I think this is a top priority item for the whole of this state, for the public health and safety of our citizens."

"Representative Breslin has moved that House Bill 2314 do pass. Those in favor signify by voting 'aye', opposed 'nay'. This takes three-fifths vote. Representative Woods Bowman, a minute to explain his vote."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I rise to support the Lady's Motion. In the Conference Committees on appropriation last spring, we were... we considered this project and thought we had put it into the Conference Committee Report. And it was an error that it was omitted, and I believe that everyone on the Conference Committee would like to see this included. And so, I'm happy to support the Lady's Motion."

"Representative Leverenz, a minute to explain his vote."

"It appears that it has a sufficient number, and so 91  STATE OF ILLINGIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 83rd Legislative Day I..."

"Have all voted vo who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 80 ayes', 30 'nays', and House Bill 2314, having received the Constitutional Three-Fifths Majority, is hereby declared passed. 2315, out of the record. leave... Leave to return to it. Leave. House Bill 2316, the Lady from Cook, Representative Currie. The Clerk will read the Bill."

"House Bill 2316, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Third Seading of the Eill."

"Representative Currie."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. House Bill 2316 is actually substantive. It contains technical changes, however, in Section 20 of the School Code tc make sure that the... the traditional practices of the... of the working cash funds in school districts across the state are clarified. I would urge support of the House for... for this legislation."

"Representative Currie has moved that House Bill 2316 do pass. On that, the Gentleman from McHenry, Representative Klem."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and I stand in support of House Bill 2316. You know, many of cur school districts have really had, because of the Appellate Court decision in August 3rd of this year, really have had a problem with their cash working bond money. And it certainly is a problem because many of these school districts in the State of Illinois not only have existing bonds outstanding and now they're in jeopardy of trying to find out the repayment of it; but, also, many of them are considering and have, in fact, by board action about ready to issue these bonds for the cperation of their school district for the fiscal year. So, I think it's imperative that we try to do something to 92  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 83rd Legislative Day October 20, 1983 alleviate this problem, and I think this Bill is the correct Bill to go. And I do ask for your support."

"There being no further discussion, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 2316 pass?' Those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. I'm sorry. Diana Nelson... no? Alright. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 101 'ayes', no 'nays', 4 'present', and House Bill 2316, having received the Constitutional Three-Fifths Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 2317 - leave to include Representative Stuffle as a hyphenated Co-chief Sponsor and handle the Bill. Leave. House Bill 2317, read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

Third Clerk Leone: "House Bill 2317, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act in relationship to probation and probation officers. Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Stuffle."

"Mr. Speaker, Members of the House, Representative Matijevich and I would appreciate your support on this Bill. It is, at this time, basically a shell Bill that's being put in place to possibly be used when we deal with the issue of prison overcrowding with regard to the element of that issue that confronts the possibility and the need for a probation system change in the state. Representative Matijevich, as you know, has been negotiating with the Governor and those people who are connected to the issue - the probation system changes in House Bill 97. He has held that Bill, and this Bill will be moved along in the process with your help and held until such time if there is an agreement that the probation system elements can be put together in the Bill with the approbation of leadership of both sides, the Sponsors and the Governor. For that reason, I would ask for your affirmative vote." 93  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 83rd Legislative Day October 20, 1983

"Represent... Representative Stuffle has moved for the passage of House Bill 2317. There being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 2317 pass?' Those in favor signify by voting 'aye', opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 82 'ayes', 20 'nays', 5 answering 'present'. House Bill 2317, having received the Constitutional Three-Fifths Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 2318, Representative O'Connell, the Clerk will read the Bill."

"House Bill 2318, a Bill for an Act to recreate the Agent Orange Study Commission. Third Reading of the Bill."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative O'Connell."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, the Bill also, Mr. Speaker, recreates the Illinois National Guard Study Commission which was inadvertently removed because.... lapsed because the Governor had signed the measure after its repealer date. This Bill is in response to the Governor's request. And his... his message in signing the original Agent Orange Study Commission, and out of deference to the Governor and as a way to make the whole concept of addressing the major unemployment problems in this state by... incurred by Vietnam veterans, we have submitted House Bill 2318. The Bill places in the hands of the Illinois Department of Veterans' Affairs, the responsibility for coordinating activities in obtaining job availability for Vietnam veterans, and it directs that the Department consult with the Illinois Bureau of Employment Security to ensure that there's no duplication of efforts in this state for obtaining these various jobs. I would ask for your favorable vote."

"Representative O'Connell has moved for the 94  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 83rd Legislative Day October 20, 1983 passage of House Bill 2318. On that, the Gentleman from McHenry, Representative Klemm."

"Will the Sponsor yield for a question?"

"He indicates he will. Froceed."

"Thank you. Representative C'Connell, I had a number of veterans' organizations, particularly the Vietnamese organization in NcHenry County, contact me concerned about the Agent Orange Study Commission. And one of their concerns - and maybe you can answer the question - is that basically the Commission has hired an executive director who's not even a veteran and doesn't really have that close affinity that they feel would be more appropriate to serve and understand the problems and the traumatic experiences these people have gone through. Could you answer that question that they've asked?"

"Sure. Sure.. The issue of whether the executive director of the Commission is a Vietnam Veteran, as far as I'm concerned, is irrelevant to his ability to perform the administrative responsibilities. There are a number of people involved in areas of expertise who are working on behalf of a subject group of people who are not directly... had the experiences of those people that they seek to help. There are many, obviously, people in the profession of teaching, of nursing, specific classes of people are not afflicted with a particular disease but yet can relate to the particular problem. The issue..."

"So..."

"Let me finish, Representative. The issue that was raised by one individual in McHenry County is, is my estimation, a smoke screen and an issue that really has no basis in performance. And that is the underlying criteria at the performance. The Commission has functioned extremely well. Both Members of the aisle, both parties 95  83rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF BEFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE October 20, 1983 that are participants in the Commission will agree to that, and I would suggest that you confer with some of the Republican Hembers as to bow Well this Ccmmission is functioning."

"Thank you. It was a very simple question, and I think, maybe, you took it in the wrong context. Khen the veterans' organizations are concerned about a Commission that is created to help them, then I think ४६ have every right to ask that question. Now, I have no idea who the executive director is, and I'm not quarreling that be шау not do a very fine job, but I think you're overreacting to a simple question. And it's not a smoke screen. I think it was a very real question that they had. And if you feel this person has a great deal of expertise in that area, then certainly. I'm sure, 1'11 ask you to get that information so that I can relay that to my people to allay the fears they have. Then I' sure the guestion's been addressed; but, it certainly wasn't meant as I think you have taken it. And I think they have a genuine concern for it. I do support the program incidentally. Thank you."

"Representative O'Connell to close."

"I would simple ask for a favcrable vote."

"Representative O'Connell has moved for the passage of House Bill 2318. Those in favor signify by voting 'aye', opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 100 'ayes', 4 'nays', 4 voting 'present'. House Bill 2318, having received the Constitutional Three-Fifths Majority, is hereby declared passed. On page two of the Calendar on House Bills Third Reading Short Detate appears House Bill 1613, the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Capparelli. The Clerk will read the Bill." 96  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 83rd Legislative Day October 20, 1983

"House Bill 1613, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Housing Development Act. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Capparelli."

"Mr. Speaker, the Illinois Housing Development Act is planning to issue a second series of tax exempt bonds to support single family mortgages. Complaints were received concerning the allegations of unfairness in the manner in which the various lending institutions made the loans. As a result of that experience, varicus changes were going to be made in the program. The main changes are the adoption of a lottery technique fcr the selection of the home buyers, and the builders and the reduction of household income limits to 40,000. Employees of lending institutions will be ineligible for these mortgages. Also, kanks will not be able to make mortgages for new construction if the bank is a joint venture. Sixty percent of the funds this time will be allocated for individuals and forty percent for new construction. I would ask for a favorable Roll Call."

"Representative Capparelli has moved for the passage of House Bill 1613. Does anybody stand... There being no discussion, those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'OG'. The question is, 'Shall House Bill 1613 pass?' Requires 71 votes. Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 107 'ayes', 3 'nays', 1 answering 'present', and House Bill 1613, having received the Constitutional Three-Fifths Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 1982, Capparelli. The Clerk will read the Bill."

"House Bill 1982, a Bill for an Act to amend various Acts in relationship tc civic centers. Third Reading of 97  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 83rd Legislative Day the Bill." October 20, 1983

"Representative Capparelli."

"Mr. Speaker, House Bill 1982 is a vehicle - strictly a vehicle. There's... It's for the expansion of McCormick works. We're going to want to send it to the Senate. We haven't, not yet, figured out what we're going to do with it. I would just ask for a favorable Roll Call to get it over there for the time being. Then it will have to come back to us for confirmation."

"Representative Capparelli has moved House Bill 1982 do pass. There being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 1982 pass?! Those in favor signify by voting 'aye', opposed voting 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will... This requires a simple Constitutional Majority. Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 66 'ayes', 23 'nays', 23 'present'. House Bill 1982, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Page three of the Calendar on the Order of Senate Bills Third Reading, Senate Bill 44, out of the record. Senate Bill 189, Representative Greiman. The Clerk will read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 189, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Marriage and Dissolution of Marriage Act. Third Reading of the Bill."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Greiman."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Today the House will consider an Amendment to the Marriage and Dissolution Act that will provide people in Illinois with the opportunity to choose their own destiny without ascribing fault in divorce. It is, in a sense, a truth in ending Bill. It is that kind of Bill because it 98  STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REFBESENTATIVES TRANSCBIFTION CEBATE 83rd Legislative Day October 20, 1983 is the inability of people to get together... to stay together that makes for divorce and nct for the ascribed grounds in the statute. This Bill, however, the so called no fault divorce Bill does not make divorce a frivolous or easy thing. First, the parties nust live separate and apart for a continuous period in excess of two years, and the court must make that finding. Seccadly, there must be a finding of inreconcilable differences that have caused the irretrievable breakdown of the marriage. Thirdly, the court must... determine that efforts of reconciliation have failed οι that future attempts at reconciliation would be impractical. The requirement of two years living separate and apart can be waived by the parties in writing only, only if they, in fact, have been separate and apart for a period of six months, so that there must always be reflection. NC precipitative divcices can be obtained through this. This Bill does not vary the property rights under the 1977 Act. In 1977, WE established significant changes in cur Divorce Act changes that would allow the court to look at the couples assets and to make an appropriate distribution of marital property. The hope is that it will take some of the acrimony, some of the pain. Where there are children, particularly, divorce ends the marriage but it does not end the family. The people must have a long time to go beyon... tc continue on in some relationship. And this Bill, hopefully, will make that possible. With respect to the Arendment #1 that was adopted, questions have been asked to DE whether parties could be separate and apart and live in the same... under the same roof. That is possible, but it is a factual matter, and... so that the court would have to determine on the basis of a state of aind as well as the physical relationship. Also, the waiver will be one of testimony of 99  STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 83rd Legislative Day October 20, 1983 a single spouse or test... or an affidavit cf a spouse prior to the time of the entry of the decree. Tue object is not to make spouses come back two successive times in court, but for them to have a fair and complete single hearing and then to be able to file an affidavat... one to be able to file an affidavit to prove the fact that they have been living separate and apart for six months and are able to waive the period of... under the Act. And so, Illinois is not exactly a pioneer in this area of the law. Forty-eight states have some form of ac fault. With the adoption and passage of Senate Bill 189, Illinois does somewhat come into the 20th century; but, nonetheless, this is a most conservative, thoughtfully crafted Bill. It has been a long time in coming. Many people have been... have been involved in the process. Many major players have been involved in the process, and we come to you now το make Illinois divorce law a modern piece of legislation that can govern the destiny of the eleven and a half million people of Illinois. I ask you to pass Senate Eill 189."

"Representative Greiman has moved for the passage of Senate Bill 189. There being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall Senate Bill 189 pass?" Those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those oppcsed by voting no. Im sorry Representative Karpiel. I didn't see you. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record.. One moment. Representative Ropp, a minute to explain his vote."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. I'm voting 'yes' pecause a number of people have sc stated that in this provision we have sufficient safeguards, at least over a period of time, that hopefully the couple might get back together, and so therefore, I'm supporting this Bill. However, I think there's something that we all ought to be 100  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 83rd Legislative Day October 20, 1983 aware of, at least, and it ought to be included in the record. That many of the problems that we have within our society, I think, have culminated from some kind of home unhappy relationship. And it seems like that as a legislative Body - here again - we're just attempting to deal with the ills rather than to go to the grass roots of the situation and attempting tc try to bring families closer together through either legislation or more educational methods. And I think that we're really not adding to the whole situation of improving our society when we pass a Bill like this, even though 48 other states шау have it. Just because all of the other states have it does not necessarily Mean that it's right. I think, in this particular essence, we are, again, not adding to the wholesomeness or the togetherness of families in the State of Illinois, thus, we are adding one cre plank."

"Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this guestion, there are 89 'ayes', 21 'nays', 3 answering 'present', and Senate Bill 189, having received the he Constitutional Three-Fifths Majority, is hereby declared passed. Senate Bill 1206, Michael Curran. The Clerk will read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 1206, a Bill for an Act ta amend the Illinois Public Aid Code. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Curran."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Senate Bill 1206 requires that any person who commits recipient fraud for Fublic Aid to forfeit the money acquired as a result of that fraud. It permits the Attorney General or the state's attorney to petition for determination of any such money and have it be subject to forfeiture. And following a conviction for fraud, the county sheriff can seize the money cr the proferty... that 101  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCEIFTION CEBATE 83rd Legislative Day October 20, 1983 was acquired by fraud. It also provides for the distribution of that money or property which has been forfeited and seized. I know cf no opposition to this Bill. Passed out of the Senate 55 to 1, out of their Committee 9 to nothing, out of our Committee unanimously, and I ask for a favorable Roll Call."

"Representative Curran has moved for the passage of Senate Bill 1206. The Gentleman from Kane, Representative Kirkland."

"Yes. Thank you. I would just add that this is a good piece of creative legislation by our fcrmer colleague on this side of the aisle, Frank Watson, and I would also urge that we support this Bill as we have done in the passed. Thank you."

"Ee at ease fcr one mcment. Mr. Curran, Representative Curran."

"Would you please take this cut of the record for a minute?"

"I thought you'd never ask. Thank you. Out of the record. The House will be at ease for one moment. On the Order of Veto Motions, Total Vetc Motions, fage ten appears House Bill 932. Is Representative Ronan on the floor? Representative Ronan. Representative Ronan on House Bill 932."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. House Bill 932 is a Community Education Act. I've talked to Leadership on the other side of the aisle. I think we've resolved some of the problems. This does not have a revenue impact on the state. What it's going to do, it's going to allow educational programs to be established in... in the local areas around the state to get greater participation with the State Board of Education and local civic and community organizations. I acve for the override 102  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 83rd Legislative Day October 20, 1983 of the... of the Bill."

"Representative Ronan has moved that House Bill 932 pass, the veto of the Governor notwithstanding. Is there any discussion? There being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 932 pass, the Governor's veto notwithstanding?' Those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Final action. Requires Three-Fifths Majority. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 67 'ayes', 36 'nays', 4 'present'. The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Ronan. Representative Ronan. Did you want a Roll of the Absentees? Roll the absentees, Mr. Clerk."

"Poll of the Absentees. Barnes."

"Earnes 'aye'."

"Bowman."

"Birkinbine 'aye'. Barnes 'aye'. Birkinbine 'aye'. O'Connell 'aye'. Currie 'aye'. O'Connell, Currie, Barnes and Birkinbine. And Bowman, right here. And Ebbesen. And Wojcik... We better slow down now. Let's take a shot with... I think everybody's going to get on board, Al. We'll have another Roll Call on this. Those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 86 'ayes', 26 'nays', 1 answering 'present', and House Bill 932, having received the Constitutional Three-Fifths Majority, is hereby declared passed, the veto of the Governor notwithstanding. On page twelve on the Calendar on the... under the Order of Amendatory Veto Motions House Bill 186, Representative Giorgi. Cut of the rec... Oh, alright. Good for you. Out of the record. House Bill 645, Representative Rea. Representative Rea on House Bill 103  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF BEPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 83rd Legislative Day 645. On which October 20, 1983 proceed, Motion are you going to Representative Bea?"

"Io override."

"Alright. Put that on the board. Alright."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the Ecuse. There were Some people that were not on the floor befcre, and basically, taken out of the Bill on the amendatory veto was the POW license plates for the pickup trucks and the... and for the Pearl Harbor survivors, and it also had the fireran plates in there which they would have tc purchase, and I would move for an override at this time."

"Representative Bea moves that House Bill 645 pass, the veto of the Governor notwithstanding. Hinority Leader, Representative Daniels."

The Daniels: "Mr. Speaker, maybe you could give me an how many times we're geing to run Mctions on Bills that indication of were beat. 932 was a Eill that we beard, we discussed at length. It was defeated. You just pulled it again. Now, you're pulling another one again. How many shots are you going to give people on the same legislation? If so, let's talk it further out. Let's make sure the Sponsor tells us what the vote was in the first Motion when it was defeated, just like this Bill was defeated yesterday."

"Well, Mr. Minority Leader, all I'm Rea: doing... This is our last day. There's nct many shots left in the cannon, but I'm going down the Calendar, and if there's a Motion there, Im calling it. And... And right acın the... In fact, if I do, I'm skipping those that Were on Special Call, If I skip çver somebody, it is only because I feel we've dealt with it on Special Call. 1 think we can prcceed. Bepresentative Bea." I... "Yes, this... There were several people off the floor at the time that the... that that was heard. It only missed it by 104  STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 83rd legislative Day October 20,  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 83rd Legislative Day October 20, 1983 there are 71 'ayes'... Neff."

"Mr. Speaker, please change my vote from 'aye' to 'no'."

"Get your button cn. Alright. You want to change from 'aye' to 'no'?"

"From 'aye' to 'no', please."

"On this question, there are 70 'ayes', 42 'nos', and the Motion fails. House Bill 775. Representative Stuffle on House Bill 775."

"Mr. Speaker, Members of the House, I would move to accept the Governor's recommendations for change in his amendatory veto of House Bill 775. What he has done is accept the basic provisions of the Bill with one change with regard to sick leave on the part of state employees. The Bill is an attempt to provide for better productivity and to prevent the misuse of sick leave days by state employees. The Bill originally provided for the use of sick days on a basis of not only prospective sick days, but those already accumulated for purposes of half time payments and for pension purposes. The Governor's amendatory veto restricts the use of sick days - accrued sick leave days - to those that occur after January 1, 1984. His rationale, I think, is accurate. He indicates that there would be a better situation because of that; because, if we take all the sick days, we're going to have a tremendous start up cost. If we wait till January 1, 1984, we can put the program in place, and while there are costs associated with payments for productivity and sick days not being used, those would be offset at the same time by better productivity and the lack of the need  83rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILIINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF BEPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION СЕВАТЕ October 20, 1983 specific recommendation frce the Governor with respect to House Bill 775. There being nc discussion, the question is, 'Shall the House accept the Governor's specific recommendations for change with regard to House Bill 775 by the adoption of the Amendment?" Those in favor signify by voting 'aye', opposed by voting 'ng' Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 1CC 'ayes', 3 'nays', 1 answering 'present'. This Motion, having received the Constitutional Majority, prevails, and the House accepts the Governor'S specific recommendations for change regarding House Bill 775 by the adoption of the Arendment. House Bill 975, Stuffle. Which Motion are you going to proceed with, Representative Stuffle?"

"I would like to proceed with the Motion to override the Governor's vetc."

Speaker Matijevich: "Representative Stuffle on the override Motion of House Eill 975."

"With regard, Mr. Speaker and Members, with regard to the Governor's action on House Pill 975, whic amendatory action, we've been in discussions which is an with the of the units of local And since the Governor and with the elements government involved with the Bill. to Governor's action amendatorily veto the Bill, he has changed his position on that action, and now is in accord his veto. And I would submit with my Motion to override to you his letter of yesterday, Cctober 18th, 1983, wherein, he indicates that, "I now believe it is in the best interest of our forest preserve districts to have this legislation in the form prior to пу amendatory veto have no objections tc an cverride attempt on House Bill 975. Accordingly, now that WE'VE worked our misunderstanding over the agendatory veto, I would wove therefore, I out 107  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 83rd Legislative Da y October 20, 1983 you that the House override the vetc of the Governor on llouse Bill 975, and that it be passed nothwithstanding that veto."

"Representative Stuffle acves that House Bill 975 do pass, the Governor's veto notwithstanding. There being no dis... Oh, Representative Deuchler, I'm sorry."

"Hr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I just wanted to concur with what the previous speaker has said. This original Bill passed 105 'yes' votes to 5 'no' votes, and it is really very badly needed by the forest preserve districts for development of their lands."

"The question is, 'Shall House Bill 975 pass, the veto of the Governor notwithstanding?' Those in favor signify by voting 'aye', opposed by vcting 'nc'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 102 'ayes', 9 'nays", 1 answering 'present'. Karpiel, I'm scrry, 'aye'. 103 'ayes', and House Bill 975 does pass, the vetc of the Governor notwithstanding, having received the Constitutional Three-Fifths Majority. House Bill 1814, Levin. The Gentleman from Cock, liepresentative Levin."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen cf the House, I love that we accept the Governcr's arendatory veto with respect to House Bill 1814. The substance of House Bill 1814 was adequately discussed yesterday when I attempted to cverride the Governcr's arendatory veto. And if there are no questions, I would just ask for support for the Motion to accept his amendatory veto on this Bill."

"Representative Levin moves that the House does accept the Governor's recommendations with respect to 8... House Bill 1814. Representative Vinson, the Gentleman from DeWitt."

"Would you direct the Clerk to correct the board?" 108  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSENELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 83rd Legislative Day October 20, 1983

"This is an accept Motion, Mr. Clerk. The question is, 'Shall the House accept the Governor's specific recommendations for change with respect to House Bill 1814 by the adoption of the Amenduent?" All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', opposed by voting 'nay". Final action. Have all vcted? Fiave all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 102 'ayes', 5 'nays', 2 answering 'present'. This Motion, having received the Constitutional Majority, prevails, and the House accepts the Governor's specific recommendations for change regarding House Bill 1814 by the adoption of the Amendment. We will now return back to the Order of Senate Bills Third Reading page three of the Calendar appears Senate Bill 1206. The Clerk will read the Bill. Representative Curran. The Clerk will read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 1206, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Fublic Aid Code. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Curran."

"Again, this Bill was just taken cut of the record a few minutes ago. It has no opposition, and I move for a favorable Roll Call."

"Representative Curran DOVES that House Bill... Senate Bill 1206 do pass. All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', opposed by voting "no". It takes three-fifths vote. Have all vcted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. Gn this question, there are 111 'ayes', no nays', and Senate Bill 1206, having received a Constitutional Three-Fifths Majority, is bereby declared passed. Total Veto... Total Veto Motions page nine of the Calendar. House Bill 97, out of the record. House Bill 171, Johnson. Is... Is he ready? Out of the record. House Bill 172, Johnson. Out of the 109  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 83rd Legislative Day October 20, 1983 The Gentleman from record. House Bill 307, Birkinbine. Cook, Representative Birkinbine, on House Bill 307."

"Thank you, Nr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I rise to move to override the Governor's veto of House Bill 307. To remind you of what the Bill does, presently in Illinois, there are constraints on only two industries of those companies that are allowed to make campaign contributions to you, and me and every other person running for statewide office. That happens to be those people who own a race track and those people who are insurance companies. It use to be, in years back, that banks were not allowed to make campaign contributions because they're regulated by the state. That was changed. It use to be that those people who cwn or run currency exchanges were nct allowed to make campaign contributions because they're regulated by the state. That has been changed. It use to be that those people who were liguor licensees were not allowed to make campaign contributions because they're regulated in one way or another by the State Legislature. That also has been changed. I don't know why we still have these last prohibitions, but it seems discriminatory, and I'm not sure why. When this Bill was before the Legislature this past Session, it had support from both sides of the aisle and the Leadership from both sides of the aisle. It's my hope that we can override the Governor's veto on this and do away with this last bit of unexplained discrimination, if you will, against these people who are presently not allowed. And I should tell you that it does not apply uniformly to all companies in the state. For example, the very largest companies usually are owned by parent companies. You can look at Kemper. You can look at C & A, whatever. You can look at Allstate. Allstate, of course, is owned by Sears 110  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 83rd Legislative Day Octcber 20, 1963 Roebuck. Sears Roebuck is perfectly allowed to make campaign contributions, but for some reason Allstate isn't. It also does not apply to about 150 ccunty and township mutual insurance companies which tend to be mostly downstate and tend to do a lot of farm insurance. They are allowed to make such contributions. So, it tends to hit the middle companies. It seems strange. It seems... It makes no sense, and I would ask for your vote to help override the Governor's veto cf House Fill 307."

"Bepresentative Birkinbine has moved that House Bill 307 pass, the vetc of the Governor notwithstanding. Representative Mautino."

"Thank you very much, Nr.. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I stand in support of the Governor's amend... total veto on this question. I think that there is a difference of opinion on the issue, but most importantly, I think what you're addressing is the political structure itself, and I think today, we have enough FAC'S - whether they be industry or labor - to address the question of campaign contributions. But what I... where I do disagree with the Sponsor of the Motion is that insurance companies are basically then from the corporate structure which is a policy cuners попеу making campaign contributions. I think that if those executives and those insurance companies would like to nake campaign contributions, they can do it through their own PAC's with their personal money. What this legislation will do by removing this is to say that all the policy holders and the money that is being held by the insurance companies can ncw, as a corporate deduction, make campaign contributions. I'm not certain that in the long run this is the proper method to take. And secondly, I would think that that would be a... it could in the long haul be detrimental, 113  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 83rd Legislative Day October 20, 1983 because the Department of Insurance does regulate and address the liquidity of insurance companies in this state. And if, in fact, the company were in trouble, as we've had a few over the last few years, you might find legislation appearing before us addressing those questions that may have been raised in the liquidity position of insurance companies. So, I stand in opposition, and I do support the Governor's veto on this question."

"Representative Ropp."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think there is one additional point that ought to be mentioned that I'd like the Sponsor of this Bill to either clarify and that is, the current law disallows insurance companies from contributing under Illinois law and corporated in Illinois does not permit them to... to contribute to campaigns in any of the other fifty states. If this Bill, 307, passes, then this will allow a state... a company within the State of Illinois that does business in the other forty-nine states to almost not be disallowed, but at least they would be in a position where they could contribute to other candidates in fifty-nine (sic - forty-nine) other states. Is that correct, or incorrect?"

"Thank you. No, we're not setting laws for other states. If... If Iowa wants to say that no company can make a campaign contribution to anybody running for statewide office, and it all has to be PAC's, they can do that. All we deal with is Illinois law. We can't put constraints on what a company does outside our boarders."

"Representative Ropp."

"Mr. Speaker, as I understand it though, this under... this law currently, should it pass, will provide that insurance companies in the State of Illinois can contribute to anybody if they do business in other states. Under the 112  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 83rd Legislative Day October 20, 1983 current law, they are forbidden for doing that, and some of the insurance companies like that. They like the current provision where they're forbidden to contribute across the nation. I mean, it could add up to a sizable amount when you are doing business in fifty states. However, the current law does prohibit that, and that's what many insurance companies in my area support."

"Representative Davis."

"Well, I rise in support, Mr. Speaker, of the Gentleman's Motion. Representative Mautino's comments notwithstanding, just as recently as yesterday we passed an override out of this House on House Bill 801 which I heard some impassioned pleas from both sides of the argument in support of returning the troopers civil rights in the area of political activity. This Bill is no more or less different than that, and it... in effect, takes us out of the anachronisms of the dark ages with... in relation to the final removals of those people from the... from the prohibition of the political process. This Bill was supported by both sides of the aisle. The Bill was supported by leadership on both sides of the aisle as it went through the process. I think the Governor made a very serious mistake in disenfranchising or continuing the disenfranchise the availability of political activity on the part of insurance companies, and I certainly strongly support the override of this veto and suggest that if Representative Kopp's company that he had in mind has a problem in the other forty-nine states, then they should address that problem in those forty-nine... or the other fifty-nine states. They should address them in the other fifty-eight."

"Representative Taylor."

"Move the previous question." 113  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF BEFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 83rd Legislative Day

"That's not necessary. Birkinbine to close." Octcher 20, 1983

Representative Birkinbine: "Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, to address the two opposing views that Were stated earlier, the first Gentleman on the other side of the aisle who indicated that perhaps since this is a regulated industry it should not be done, and you're talking about, perhaps, policy holders money, that same argument can be made for any industry that's regulated by the state and publicly held corporation. You could say, wait a minute, what about the taxpayers dollars. If we're going to follow that logic then we ought to disalloW any ny publicly held company from being able to make any such contribution and that's simply not the case under Illincis law. And people here in this House ficor voted to have it be that way. AS far as the Gentleman from Elcomington and his comments, if that were to be true, you could have a company headquatered in Massachusetts or Rhode Island that had an insurance company and say they allowed campaign ccotributions. They could сове in here to Illinois and make contributions to your campaign, and that's not the case. It could be a Massachusetts based company. That's siofly a bogus argument that's put out there by State Farm Insurance because State Farm Insurance and several other insurance companies like the present law as a crutch. They don't want you, or me or anybody else running for office coming to them and saying, "Would you support my candidacy? I think I'm a good person. How about helping me run?" They like to be able to use the present law and say, "Hey, gee, we'd love to help you gang, but state law won't let us." They're using it, and if we don't override the veto, we're being used. So, I think we cught to vote to override the Governor's veto and send this over to the Senate. Thank 114  STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 83rd Legislative Day you very much."

"Bepresentative Davis." Octcber 20, 1983

"Well, I know I spoke in debate. It's an inguiry of the Sponsor very quickly. Is this Representative Birkinbine's potential last Pill?"

"Representative Firkinkine."

"AS a matter of fact it is. 1... Perhaps it's fair to note that I have absolutely nc conflict of interest on this because I will not be running for reelection, perhaps, by popular demand. So... Thank you. So no such dollars could go to me. Thanks."

"Representative Fickinbine moves that House Bill 307 do pass the Governor's veto notwithstanding. Those in favor signify by voting 'aye', opposed by voting 'no'. Final action, three-fifths. Representative Erummer."

"Yes, briefly to explain my vcte. We, yesterday, allowed the state troopers to get involved in politics. We previously had prohibited holders of liquor license from being involved in politics. I agree that thcse are all from the dark ages. we ought to allow insurance companies to make political contributions. And I would urge 'aye' votes on this."

"Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 76 'ayes', 31 'nays', and House Bill 307, having received the Constitutional Three-Fifths Majority, is hereby declared passed, the vetc of the Governcr nctwithstanding. We're going to go to the Order of House Bill Third Reading, House Fills substantive Bills, House Bill 569. Cut of the record. House Bill 2320. Leave of the House fcr Representative Churchill tc be added as Co-chief, hyphenated chief Sponsor and to handle the Bill. 115  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENEBAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEPATE Octcber 20, 1983 83rd Legislative Day Read the Bill, 2320."

"House Bill 2320, a Fill fcr an Act to make appropriations of state funds. Third Reading of the Bill."

"The Gentleman frc Iake, Representative Churchill."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This is an appropriation Bill for the haukegan Port District. Originally in the appropriation Bill, there kas a construction plan that included frcject for harbor control building and a fish cleaning station. And somehow in the process this was deleted from the plan. I'm asking at this point that we fut it back into the plan. This is only a change from the criginal construction project. It does not change or increase the appropriation for this project. I would appreciate a favorable vote."

"Bepresentative Churchill has moved for the passage of House Bill 2320. We'll have to wait till We clear the board. There is a printing problem. The question is, 'Shall House Pill 2320 pass?' Those in favor signify by voting 'aye', opposed by voting "no". Three-fifths vcte. Have all voted? Eave all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 90 'ayes' 9 'nays', 6 answering 'present'. House Fill 2320, having received the Constitutional Three-Fifths Majority, is hereby declared passed. Од the Order of Conference Committee Reports, on page four of the Calendar, appears House Pill 556. Representative Hcffman, the Gentleman from DuPage. Representative içffman."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 556, a Conference Committee Report, which was adopted by the Senate on the 2nd of July and due to the time constraint, we didn't get to it. The Conference Committee Report puts the Bill in its original 116  83rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE October 20, 1983 form which was a recommendation by the Auditor General to the School Problems Commission to clarify the definition of 'travel' in the Appropriation Act for Commissions. The Comptroller has interpreted the law tο indicate that you could not pay public members for transportation cost out of the travel line items. You had tc take it out of contractual services. This clarifies the fact that all travel for public or legislative Members will be taken out of the travel line item. That's all this Bill does, and I will ask for the adoption of the First Conference Committee Beport on House Bill 556."

"Bepresentative Hoffman has moved to adopt the Conference Committee Report on House Bill 556. Gentleman from Cook, Representative Cullerton."

"Will the Sponsor yield?"

"Indicates he will."

"Could you just reiterate again the applicatility of this law to the General Assembly?"

"The Auditor... Well, first the Ccuftroller had taken the position that you had to take travel expenses out of the contractual line iter for fublic members of Commissions. This had not been true befcre indicating that we had to take this travel ccst cut of contractual services. What this legislation did then, at the recommendation of the Auditor General, it clarified that issue and provided that all Corrission members, public ОГ legislative, could be paid out of the travel line item. End of issue."

"Thank you."

"The question is, 'Shall the House adopt Conference Committee Report on House Fill 556?' Those in favor signify by voting "aye, opposed by voting BO. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will 117  STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION ΣΕΒΑΤΕ 83rd Legislative Day October 20, 1983 take the record. On this question, there are 108 'ayes', 1 'no', and 3 answering 'present'. And this Motion, having received the Constitutional, required Constitutional Majority, the House does adopt Conference Committee Report on House Bill 556. House Bill 1978 on the Crder of Conference Committee Reports. Representative Capparelli."

"Ar. Speaker, House Bill 1978, a Conference Committee Report, repeals the Chicago Urban Transportation District Repealer and effectively allows the continued operation of that district. The District was designed to serve the transit capital needs of Central Pusiness District of Chicago, and it's scheduled for abolition on January 1, 1984 unless this legislation's accepted. I move to accept the Conference Committee Report."

"Lepresentative Capparelli moves to accept the Conference Committee Report on house Eill 1978. Being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall the House adopt the Conference Committee Report on House Eill 1978?' Those in favor signify by voting 'aye', opposed voting 'no'. Have all voted? Be at ease, we're trying to check the effective date on this Beport. Representative Capparelli."

"This is not the RTA Bill. This is for matching federal funds. We have to come up with $6,000,000, and we'll get eight times that much in the Chicago district. So there is no fare on any of your parts. This is for the downtown part of Chicago in which we tax those individuals downtown in the business district."

"Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. Cn this question, there are 72 'ayes', 25 'nays', 13 answering 'present'. And this... Poll of the Ab... I'm sorry, they've dropped off. Poll of the Absentees. Representative Hicks 'aye'. On this question, there are 71 'ayes', 25 'nc', 13 answering 118  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 83rd Legislative Day 'present'. And the House does adopt the Conference October 20, 1983 Committee Report on House Bill 1978, having received the Constitutional Three-Fifths Majority. Senate Bill 668 Conference Committee Report. Representative Hicks."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, I'd asked that we reject the Conference Committee Report and request a Second Conference Committee."

"Gentleman asks leave to... Was that for a Second Conference Committee?"

"Yes, Sir."

"Leave, and a Second Conference Committee will be formed. Representative Vinson, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"

"On Conference Committee Reports we ought to know what the subject matter is."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. The... The Bill basically is a Bill for school districts concerning an appropriation of about a million dollars for school districts in the State of Illinois. It benefits six different school districts in the state."

"Leave for a Second Conference Committee on Senate Bill 668. Senate Bill 1158 (sic - 1153), Taylor. Cullerton. Taylor - Cullerton. Gentleman from Cook, Representative Cullerton. 1153."

"Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This Bill now contains two provisions. Number one, that there be an additional law clerk for each of the Supreme Court members. And number two, dealing with the statutory limitation of court reporters salaries. It's not an appropriation, and that there would be no salary increase, but it would increase the statute that limits what that maximum could be SO it will allow us in the future if we decide to increase the salaries to do so. And 119  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 83rd Legislative Day Speaker Octcber 20, 1983 I would move for the adoption of the Conference Committee Report."

"Representative Cullerton MOVES for the adoption cf the Conference Committee Report on Senate Bill 1153. Those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed voting 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are .79 ayes', 21 'nays', 4 'present". And the House does adopt the Conference Committee Befort on Senate Bill 1153, having received the required Constitutional Majority. The Ecuse will now go to the Order of House Bills Third Beading, Appropriation Bills. House Bill 2315, Read the Eill."

"House Bill 2315, a Bill for an Act making appropriations. Third Reading of the Fill."

"Gentleman from CGck, Representative Leveren2."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 2315 would provide for three different amounts of money. It would μιονίδε $2,000,000 for the Illinois Community College Board to make a high technology innovation grant program. Amendment 1 would provide the Department of Agriculture $70,000 for the Bill the Governor signed to do fuel testing. And the second Amendment, would provide $400,000 to the Chicago Bureau of Mental Health in order to avoid closures and/or the layoff of employees handling community service deflection projects. As a point of information, it is my intent to have the 2,000,000 deleted in the Senate because the substantive Bill did not get the required number of votes for override this morning. I think we have an agreement with the cther side of the aisle. I would now ask for your 'aye' vote on House Bill 2315." 120  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE October 20, 1983 83rd Legislative Day

"Representative Leverenz has moved that House Bill 2315 do pass. All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. Speaker 'aye'. On this question, there are 78 'ayes', 30 'nays', 3 answering 'present'. And the House does pass House Bill 2315, having received the Constitutional Three-Fifths Majority. On the Order cf House Bills Second Reading, page two on the Calendar, appears House Bill 2304. The Clerk will read the Bill."

"House Bill 2304, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Unified Code of Corrections. Second..."

"Out of the recorά. Representative Cullerton, we'll get back... Representative Van Duyne, for what purpose do you seek?"

"Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker. I don't mind holding to solve the record, but as you know as you enunciated a little while ago, the shots are running out of the gun, and I would like to have the Nincrity Leader do me a favor and at least see if it going to be soon...fretty soon."

"Hell...I'm sorry..."

"Well, nevertheless, I don't care."

"Right now, would you listen to the Chair, because there was an oversight. There Was one more appropriation Bill on the House Bills Third Reading, and we're getting back to that now. And We'll get to you, Cullerton, also. Representative Barnes, we'll going to call House Bill 2319. The Clerk will read the Bill on the Order of Third Reading."

"House Bill 2319, a Bill fcr an Act making appropriations to the Capital Development Foard. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Barnes." 121  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION СЕБАТЕ 83rd Legislative Day

October 20, 1983 "Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, House Bill 2319 deals with energy conservation product... projects throughout the state in many of the mental health centers and also in the universities. The total appropriation is $13,860,969. The financing of the energy conservation projects is 50% state General Revenue Fund and 50% federal funds. And the coal conversion project and the armory land purchases from bond funds; the breakdown is 11,310,969 for the energy products; 2,000,000 for the ccal conversion and scrubbers at Eastern Illinois University: and $550,000 for purchase of the land for an armory which will be in the Village of Riverside. I would ask for an 'aye vote."

"Bepresentative Barnes has moved that House Bill 2319 do pass. The Gentleman from Champaign, Bepresentative Johnson."

"This is an issue in a bill that had some local, not only local interest in cur area but certainly SOBE potential local controversy. And I would, personally, like to thank I Representative Barnes as the Sponsor of the Bill and also, the University of Illincis and certain individuals who are concerned environmentalist in our area for establishing a dialogue and working together tc arrive at what I think is a reasonable compromise that promotes the interest in the University and also, I think, protects he environment. I think it is a real good example of how people can sit down and talk and work together. And I appreciate all those parties being willing to do that."

"The question is, 'Shall House Eill 2319 pass?' Those in favor signify by voting 'aye', opposed voting 'no'. Have all voted? Have all vcted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this guestion, there are 102 'ayes', 6 'nays', 1 answering 'present'. And the 122  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 83rd Legislative Day October 20, 1983 House does pass House Bill 2319, having received... Nelson 'aye', Friedrich 'aye' - having received the Constitutional Three-Fifths Majority, is hereby declared passed. Johnson 'aye'. Representative Cullerton, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. We had passed the First Conference Committee Report on Senate Bill 1153. I described... The Bill I described is suppose to be the First Corrected Conference Committee Report, and it has not been distributed yet. So I would ask tc, having voted on the prevailing side, I will ask to move to reconsider the vote by which Senate...First Conference Committee Report on Senate Bill 1153 was passed."

"Representative Cullerton having voted on the prevailing side by which the House adopted Senate Bill...the Conference Committee Report on Senate Bill 1153 moves to reconsider the vote by which that was adopted. Those in favor signify by voting 'aye', opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 98 'ayes', 6 'nays', 2 answering 'present'. And the House does reconsider the vote by which the House adopted the Conference Committee Report on Senate Bill 1153. On page 14 of the Calendar, under the Order of Speaker's Table, appears Senate Joint Resolution 35, Representative Hicks.

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, Joint Resolution 35 was the Bill we talked about the other day that had not been...the Resolution had not been distributed. It has been at this time. It calls for the Illinois, the State of Illinois to sponsor an interstate conference on agriculture marketing here in the state. It 123  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENEBAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 83rd Legislative Day October 20, 1983 was a conference that was brought about through the midwest agriculture marketing agreement that called for the...to explore this possibility. And I would ask for the adoption of the Resolution."

"Representative Hicks moves that the House do adopt the Senate Joint Resolution 35. There being по discussion, the question is, 'Shall the House adopt Senate Joint Fesclution 35?' Those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed voting 'nc'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. Gn this question, there are 105 'ayes', 1 'nay', and the House does adopt Senate Joint Besclution 35. Cn page nine of the Calendar, Total Veto Motions, House Bill 475, Johnson. Is he ready? Out of the record. House Bill 522, Hawkinson. Representative Hawkinson on House Eil1 522."

"Mr. Speaker, I would like to ask leave of the Body to withdraw my Motion to override on Ecuse Bill 522."

"Leave to withdraw a Motion. Leave, House Bill 620, Jaffe. Out of the record. Bcuse Bill 662, 662, Pangle.. Out of the record. House Fill 730, Jim Rea. Representative Rea on house Eill 730."

"Thank you, Br. Speaker, Members of the House. House Bill 730 provides a tax credit for ccal research and development and for installation of pollution control equipment. AS you know, the use of Illinois coal by Illincis utilities had declined from a high in 1970 cf 34,000,000 tons to 15,000,000 tons. The benefits of this program are numerous. The continued use of 8,000,000 tons of Illinois coal per year valued at $240,000,000, employment of 2400 minors generating 61,000,000 cf income, additional emplcyment of 4,415 workers in sales tax revenue from coal sales totaling 12,000,000 per year.. This would give great benefits to the state. And as the Governor mentioned in a 124  STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION СЕВАТЕ 83rd Legislative Day Octcher 20, 1983 press conference a few days ago, that We should do more coal research and development. This certainly would provide that, and so, I will mcve for time." cverride at this

"Bepresentative Rea has moved House Eill 730 do pass the Governor's veto notwithstanding. Gentleman from DeWitt, Bepresentative Vinson."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I rise in opposition to the Gentleman's Motion, not because coal's nct important; we all know it is, but because this will have very little positive impact on coal, and because it could have a very little disrupted impact on the state financial situation. We could literally destroy the state budget with this single act after everything WE did to rescue it last spring. We dc not know where the money is going to come from for this thing, unless we enact a tax increase. It would be the... This would absolutely necessitate an extension of the temporary tax and would absolutely necessitate an increase in taxes. I would urge a 'no' vote on the Bill. I would urge a 'no" vote on the Bill. I think everybody ought to be voting against this, unless you're prepared to permanently raise Illinois income tax."

"Representative Hastert."

"Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I, again, rise to address the Assembly on Ecuse Bill 730. I think you've got to take a coupie of things into consideration. This Bill, although he talks about burning Illinois coal and finding uses for Illincis coal, and that's certainly credible, but the cost of this Bill to the State of Illincis could be up to $70,000,000. It most certainly would be in the next fiscal period, a $25,000,000 loss on income taxes tc the State cf Illinois. 125  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 83rd Legislative Day October 20, 1983 $25,000,000. Now if you were watching cr read the paper this morning and the reports on the Economic and Fiscal Commission talking about the close lines, the Illinois revenue situation.. We talk about trying to fund some very important projects for the needy of this State of Illinois. The Ed people who are trying to gc to school, the educational institutions for the State of Illinois, and if we want to take those dollars cut of state ccffers, I'm talking about $25,000,000. That's a lot of money to give to corporations to experiment on burning ccal, and it doesn't even have to be Illinois coal - then I think we really have our priorities mixed up. Ladies and Gentlemen, I emplore you to uphold the Governor's veto on this Bill."

"Representative Mautino. No, Leverenz. I'm sorry."

"Will the Sponsor yield?"

"Yes, proceed."

"To the two Gentlemen that have just stated there will be buge losses of revenue to the state. Is that true?"

"No, that is not true. In fact, even the Illinois Economic and Fiscal Commission said that this would not be the case, and it is not likely that there would be very much revenue loss if any. And as I mentioned with the benefits earlier the number of miners that and a number of people that would be employed and the amount of monies that it would generate, this, in fact, could even generate more income which could be used for education and cther purposes."

"Well, I note in the Governor's message and perhaps you can help me understand it, it says that the Governor thought that the tax credits are probably not sufficiently large enough to be an incentive, and I don't understand then how the loss revenue to the state could be such a huge impact to make a dent in the incoming money to the state. 126  STATE OF ILLINGIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 83rd Legislative Day October 20, 1983 Is there an estimate from Economic and Fiscal that you bave?"

"In fact, they... What they had projected was that it would probably break even because of the cther benefits and the... and the revenues that would be generated from the sales of additional coal and from the income tax and other sources of revenue that this would generate in terms of use of more coal and employing more people."

"So if Do one made a conversion and applied for it, certainly there be no lack of revenue anyway. Correct?"

"That's  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 83rd Legislative Day October 20, 1983 do pass, the veto of the Governor notwithstanding. Those in favor signify by voting 'aye', opposed 'no'. Final action. Three-fifths vote. Representative Ewing to explain his vote."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, there's just one very clear fact here. This has the potential for being a very expensive project. It could cost the General Revenue Fund 25,000,000 and up. Let's all remember that when we vote on this Bill."

"Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, 57 'ayes', 42 'nays', 5 'present', and the Motion is hereby declared lost. House Bill 743, Gentleman from Cook, Representative Preston."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 743 amends the School Code and requires that certified nurses employed by a school board be paid in accordance with the provisions of the salary schedules for teachers. The first time this Bill came up there was some electronic malfunction, and my button was recorded as a 'no' vote, and there was some other people who complained to me that they were temporarily off the floor at a meeting, and they would have been 'aye' votes on this important piece of legislation. It is, indeed, Mr. Speaker, an important piece of legislation, because we send our children off to school and their front line of health defense for an emergency situation that may arise at school is the first aid that would be administered by the school nurse. The school nurse also typically has responsibilities for teaching on health and hygiene. But primarily in the area of first aid, we are throwing hundreds of children into the school situation all the way from kindergarten through eighth grade and also in high 128  83rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINGIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF BEPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE October 20, 1983 school situations and the front line of health defense should some emergency come into existence is the first aid that would have to be administered by the most knowledgeable person, that would be the school nurse. It is essential for the nursing profession that we, as a legislative Body, recognize their importance in the school setting. And that's what this Bill does, and I'd ask for your 'aye' vote on this important Bill, the veto of the Governor notwithstanding. Thank you."

"Representative Preston has moved that the House do pass House Bill 743 the veto of the Governor notwithstanding. The Gentleman from LuFage, Representative

Hoffman. Hoffman: "Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentleman of the House. I, again, rise as I did on the earlier Motion in opposition. I do this for two reasons. Number one, this is another example of this legislative Body exempting or taking away the right of local school boards and local elected officials to make their decision. If the local school board was to make this kind of decision, they have that prerogative. And I would also say that there is a significant difference in the training of teachers and the training of nurses, and their responsibilities are significantly different. It ill behooves this legislative Body to confuse that particular issue by putting legislation on the statute books which would make an equation. They each have their own responsibilities. They each have their own obligations. They each have their own expertise, and they each deserve recognition for that particular talent and that particular expertise. But, we have continually eroded the right, and the responsibilities, and the authority and the power of local school boards at the expense of their employees. And when 129  83rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE October 20, 1983 we do that, we erode the public's  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIFTION DEBATE 83rd Legislative Day October 20, 1983

"Gentleman's within the rules. He asked for a verification. And Representative Preston wants Foll of the Absentees. Alright, Representative Wojcik, for what purpose are you seeking recognition?"

"I rise for a point of personal privilege."

"Proceed."

"In honor of Representative Don Hensel on his birthday today, we have a buy-America birthday cake for everybody in the House. So come on over and have a piece."

"Poll of the Absentees."

"Davis, Flinn, Buff, Jaffe, McAuliffe, Topinka, Wolf and Younge."

"Doyle asks leave to be verified. Leave. Clerk will proceed with the affirmative vote."

"Foll of the Affirmative. Alexander, Barnes, Berrios, Bowman, Braun, Ereslin, Erookines, Brummer, Brunsvold, Bullock, Capparelli."

"Excuse me. Giglio asks leave to be verified. Leave. Preston, did you want leave? Leave to be. O'Connell, leave. Shaw. Hastert, leave. Hastert 'aye' to 'no'."

"Continuing with the Foll of the Affirmative. Churchill, Cullerton, Curran, Currie, DeJaegher, DiFrima, Domico, Doyle, John Dunn, Ralph Dunn, Farley, Virginia Frederick, Giglio, Giorgi, Greiman, Hannig, Hastert, Hawkinson, Hicks, Homer, Johnson, Keane, Kirkland, Klemn, Krska, Kulas, Laurino, LeFlore, Leverenz, Levin, Markette, Harzuki, Matijevich, Mautino, McGann, McFike, Nash, Nelson, Oblinger, O'Connell, Panayotovich, Pangle, William Peterson, Piel, Fierce, Preston, Bea, Ghem, Rich, Richmond, Ronan, Saltsman, Satterthwaite, Shaw, Slape, Steczo, Stuffle, Tate, Taylor, Terzich, Turner, Van Duyne, Vitek, Wait, White, Winchester, Woodyard, Yourell and Mr. 131  83rd Legislative Day Speaker."

Vinson: STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE October 20, 1983 "Mr. Vinson on the verification." "Representative Braun." "She's in her seat."

"Representative Bullock."

"Representative Fullock. There he is right up here."

"Representative Currie."

"Currie. Representative Currie in the chamber? Center aisle. Here she is."

"Representative Farley."

"Parley. Representative Farley. Right in front."

"Representative Keane."

"James Keane is in the back."

"Representative Krska."

"Krska. Representative Krska. I don't see him. How has he voted?"

"Gentleman has recorded his voting 'aye'."

"Remove him."

"Representative LeFlore."

"LeFlore. Representative LeFlore is in his seat."

"Representative Marzuki."

"Representative Marzuki. Representative Marzuki in the chamber? I don't see him here. How is he recorded?"

"Gentleman has recorded his voting 'aye'."

"Remove him."

"Representative Pangle."

"He's in the aisle."

"Representative Shaw."

"Representative had leave. Oh, he's back 132  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 83rd Legislative Day there anyway now."

"Representative Slape." Octcber 20, 1983

"Slape. Be's in the back."

"Representative Stuffle."

"Stuffle. Representative Stuffle. I don't see Representative Stuffle cn the... Bis coat's here. Remove him for the moment till he catches up with his coat."

"That's probably what voted. Bepresentative Turner."

"He's in his seat."

"Representative White."

"He's in his seat."

"Representative Yourell."

"Here's... Return Stuffle. Representative Yourell. I don't see Representative Yourell. Remove Representative Yourell from the Bcll Call."

"Representative Parnes."

"who was that?"

"Representative Barnes."

"Earnes? One moment. Return Representative Marzuki. Bepresentative Barnes. I don't see Representative Barnes here. Remove her."

"Representative Younge."

"How is Bepresentative Younge recorded?"

"Lady is not recorded as voting."

"I didn't think so. Froceed, Representative Vinson."

"Representative Winchester."

"Representative Winchester. I don't see him in his seat. How is he recorded?"

"Gentleman's recorded his voting aye."

"Remove him."

"Representative Tate." 133  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 83rd Legislative Day

October 20, 1983 "How is Representative late recorded?"

"Gentleman's recorded as voting 'aye'"

"Remove hir. Return Representative Yourell to the Roll Call. Any more, Sam?"

"No further questions."

"Could the Clerk give the Chair the vote? 77 'ayes', 29 'nos', and the House... House Bill 743, having received the Constitutional Three-Fifths Majority, is hereby declared passed, the vetc of the Governor notwithstanding. Senate... On page three of the Calendar, Senate Bills Second Reading, appears Senate Bill 1118. The Bill has been read second time. Clerk will read the Bill Oh, yeah, are there any Amendments?" "Senate Bill 1118, a Bill for an Act a to amend the Second Reading of the

Regional Transportation Authority. Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"Floor Amendment #1, Davis Daniels Madigan, amends Senate Fill 1118."

"Gentleman from Will, Representative Davis."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. Today I think we all have a sense of deja vu as we approach Amendment #1 simply because it, indeed, is a trailer Bill, as we're fond of calling it, that embodies a great number of purely technical and nonsubstantive corrections to House Bill 1805 that was endorsed by this House on the night of June 30th. We're in a subdued atmosphere this afternoon. And I think a lot of things brought us to this point, and a lot of negotiations have gone on that brought us to this point. And yes, the Summit that met as recently as this week that included the Mayor of the City of Chicago brought us to this point by their agreement cn the provisions of Amendment 1 to Senate Bill 1118. Senate Bill 134  83rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY BOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE October 20, 1983 1118, major substantive provisions include a change from a five member interim or transition Board under the provisions of 1805 to a nine nember Board rd with the appointment powers changed to include two members appointed on that Transition Board by the Mayor of the City of Chicago, two members appointed by the Governor from the region outside the City cf Chicago, fcur members each... one member each or four appointed by each of the legislative leaders in either chamter of the General Assembly and the chairman appointed by the CovernoΣ from the region at large. We maintain the provision of simple majority on that interim transition Acard so that only five votes are required for Board action during its tenure. We have changed the expiration date of that Board from no later than October 31 to October 1st, and the cther provision in the Amendment #1 relates to the subsidy as passed in July of $75,000,000 per year οι per... for this annual fiscal year of 1984 expiring on July 1st so that, indeed, a deal was a deal. What we are saying now, it was formulized on July 1st that 1/12 payment to the RTA each or the interim Board and the RTA each successive month to ease the cash flow of making that payment from the state to that agency. And now four months have passed and that formula has been corrected so that the payment in totai for the 75,000,000 will be made in an eight month period for this year only and then we'll revert back to 1/12 per month in succeeding years. Those are the basic provisions. I can run down the technical changes, the typographical errors and the drafting errorS that are eŁodied in 1118 that correct deficiencies of 1805, but they are nonsubstantive in nature. They are technical in nature, and I will answer any guestions that you have on those at this point. At this point in time, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of 135  STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF SEFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 83rd Legislative Day October 20, 1983 the House, I think we have come to this point to realize that the system is in trouble, that this Bill companioned with 1805 in the Senate, when passed both by that Body and when it goes into law, will provide the necessary reformation of the structure and the cost containment of that system in exchange for a state subsidy for that system. And I can simply tell you that it is the belief of all those who have worked hundreds and thousands of hours putting together this complete package on transit - believe with all their heart that this syste will reach equilibrium and will survive on its own merits without the constant crisis atmosphere that we've experienced in the last ten years. I move for the passage of Amendment #1, Mr. Speaker."

"Representative Davis has moved for the adoption of Amendment #31 to Senate Bill 1118. Gentleman from Will, Representative Davis. I... Van Duyne. I'm scrry."

"Thank you. On page... Would the Gentleman yield for a guestion, please?"

"He indicates he will."

"On Fage 45, Representative Davis, it refers to...line, starting with line 25, it says, 'the public transportation fund, an amcunt egual to 25% of the net revenues realized from a tax imposed by authority pursuant to Section 4.03 and 4.081.' Could you tell me a little bit about that? What is that fund? Ном much is 25% of whatever, and is this going to escalate as time gces on? Can you give me any kind of scenaric?"

"Well, it is the same identical language that was in House Bill 1805, Bepresentative Van Euyne, that you voted for, and as you know, it is tied to a 25% of the sales tax collection in the region and has a growth factor as that 136  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 83rd Legislative Day sales tax grows. Gctcber 20, 1983 The 375,0CC,O0G of which we speak is that figure at 25% under the current sales tax collection figures."

"And can you give me the current figure of the 25% or is there any...?"

"$75,000,000."

"Okay. And then... Then...what do you consider this or project this to be next year and maybe the year following?"

"It certainly depends, of course, upon the growth and the sales tax revenue in the region.. Se're predicting that next year it could be 78 to $79,000,0CC in fiscal year 85."

"And one last question. When you speak of the region, that means the whole six county region?"

"That's correct."

"Thank you."

"Representative Levin."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I rise in support of Arendment #1 to Senate Bill 1118. I think that with this Amendment this will indeed be an historic piece of legislation culminating years of struggle to reorganize mass transit in our eastern Illincis and restore the state subsidy. But this is important, not only to the residents of northeastern Illinois, but to the residents of the state as a whole because of the key affect on the state's economy. But that impasse which has existed was only broken within the last couple of days, and I'm not sure if you saw...column this morning that indicated that the person that broke that impasse, the disagreement that had existed between the Mayor and the Governor and the other parties, was cur own Speaker, Mike Madigan, who came up with the idea of putting additional Representatives on the 137  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 83rd Legislative Day Octcber 20, 1983 interim Board. And this is what broke the impasse and this is what has allowed us to come to the point that we're at today where we have before us this, I think, very historic Arendment to an historic Bill. I urge its adoptioв."

"Representative Davis to close." it.

"Thank you, Hr. Speaker and Members. I think WE all understand what's contained here. Caucuses have discussed There are no surprises. Everything that we think has been raised by Members has been addressed. It is the work product and the culmination of nine long ronths of getting to this point, and I move for its adoption, Mr. Speaker."

"Representative Davis, moves the adoption of Amendment #1 to Senate Eill 1118. Those in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay". The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2, Shaw."

"Representative Piel, Gentleman from Cock, for what purpose do you rise?"

"Question of the Clerk, Mr. Speaker. Bas this been printed and distributed?"

"The Clerk tells me nc."

"I would move that we table Amendment #2."

"Since the Bill has not been printed, this Gentleman moves... Does he have leave to table Amendment #2? Leave. Representative Shaw."

"Alright. That is my Amendment, Mr. Speaker."

"Oh. Alright then, we ketter put that in the form of a Motion, and I... I'm sorry. I didn't know whose Amendment it was. It has to be printed. So he can move to table it because it hasn't been printed, Representative Shaw. So Representative Piel moves to table let пе put it on the table first Doves to table Amendment #2. And on that, bepresentative Shaw." 138  STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 83rd Legislative Day October 20, 1983

"Mr. Speaker, I..."

"I'm sorry. Bepresentative Piel, for what purpose dc rise?"

"That Motion is not debatable, Mr. Speaker. Motion to table is not debatable."

"The Motion is debatable. Proceed, Representative Shaw."

"MI. Speaker, I offered that Motion some 45 minutes ago, and the Clerk received it at the same time, basically, that the cther... that Amendment 1 was received. And I don't know why it haven't been distributed, but I think the Clerk have bad it...had enough time to distribute it. And I'll make it a Motion at this time that the Fill be taken out of the record until such time that the Motion have been distributed."

"There is a Motion on..."

"I'm sorry, till the Amendment have been distributed."

"There is a Mction OD the floor, Representative Shaw. The Clerk tells me they had to finish with one Amendment before they printed the others and that was the reascoO. Representative Fiel MOVES to table Amendment #2. Those in favor say 'aye, opposed 'nay', and the Motion prevails. And Amendment #2 is tabled. Are there further Amendments, Mr. Clerk?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Read the Bill, Mr. Speaker (sic - Mr. Clerk)."

"Senate Bill 1118, a Pill for an Act to amend Sections of the Regional Transportation Authority Act. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Alright. Representative Davis on the Bill, Senate Eill 1118."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We are now on Third Reading 139  83rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE October 20, 1983 consideration of Senate Bill 1118. I think you all know since we have just discussed the Arendment at length what's involved. I simply am going to ask you for your favorable support in order that we put this companion Fill in the Senate with 1805, and I would defer το Either Representative Daniels or the Speaker cf the House, Representative Madigan for any closing comments that they might have."

"Representative Davis moves Senate Bill 1118 do pass. On that, the Speaker of the Ecuse, Беpresentative Michael Madigan."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen, I rise in support of Senate Bill 1118. This Bill embodies the agreement that was reached yesterday between the Governor and the Mayor of Chicago. The agreement would provide for the expansion cf the interim Board SO that the Mayor would have two appointees to the Board, the Governcr would receive two additional appointees for a total of three and each of the legislative Leaders would retain their cre appointee to the Board. In addition, the formula for distribution of the money is adjusted to reflect the arrangement and the understanding that was reached in June SO that all $75,000,000 would be made available to the Regional Transportation Authority for USE as a subsidy for the transportation carriers in the northeastern part of the state. This Ecdy approved the companion measure to this Bill at the end of June. We are on record in support of that Bill. This Bill simply ccmpliments House Bill 1805, and it is my expectation that when we return for the final week of the Veto Session that the Senate will approve both Bills. Thank you, Mr. Speaker."

"Is there further discussion? Representative Taylor." 140  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 83rd Legislative Day Taylor: is Octcber 20, 1983 "Mr. Speaker, I wonder could either of the Gentleman that cosponsoring this legislation could tell me what affect would this have on the union that's involved in this piece of legislation. Would that Fut that union out cf business? Would it take away $33,CCC,000? What will it do? I happen to have two CIA units in my district there, and I'm concerned about what will happen to those persons."

"Speaker Madigan."

"In response to Mr. Taylor's question, there's been a great deal of discussion, inference and innuendo relative to this Bill since June. I personally have wet with the leaders of the two unions that ME. Taylor has referred to. Those conversations were to the effect that nc union member would be asked to take a reduction in salary. No union member would be hurt by this legislation. Cn the contrary, if the legislation does not pass along with the companion legislation in the Senate, the CIA, for one, will run up against a financial crisis which may lead to a shutdown of the agency. If a shutdown were to cccur, then clearly the employees of the agency would be severely hurt because the money would not be available to pay their salaries. If the Bill passes, the money will be made available and those employees, those members of those unions, will continue to receive their ray checks and will continue to have their jobs."

"ΜΙ. Madigan, I still did not understand. What would happen to the $33,000,000 in pension fund money that bas been involved in this legislation today?" to

"There would be a finalization of negotiations which have been underway for two three months between management at the CIA and representatives of the unions. These discussions have occurred. outline of an agreement has been given to the unions. Maybe they have AG 141  STATE OF ILLINOIS 63RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 83rd Legislative Day October 20, 1983 not shared that information with everycпe here, but they have it available. And they understand, because I explained to them, that it's a situation which will permit them to explain to whoever may be interested that this is an arrangement that will be good for the members of the union, good for the employees of the agency, good for the transit riders of Chicago because it will permit the agency to continue to function."

"Representative Shaw."

"Kill the Sponsor yield?"

"He indicates he will."

"I, too, have some concern about the $33,000,000 and the collective bargaining part of the...of this legislation here. What will this legislation do for collective bargaining as far as the CIA or the BTA is concerned?"

"Speaker Madigan."

"Neither this Bill nor House Bill 1805 will, in anyway, affect the right of employees cf the СТА to engage in collective bargaining."

"The... In this Bill, it would... it seems as though to me that the... Well, I want to know from you, Mr. Speaker, have the...would this Bill cpt the union out of all negotiations relative to the new Board with...of the RTA?"

"This Bill along with its companion Bill, House Bill 1805, would provide that, as has been the practice in the past, the two established CIA unions would negotiate with the Board of the CTA on the questions of salary and conditions of employment. After a contract had been reached between СТА management and the unions, that contract would become part of a kudget which will be submitted to the RTA for its approval. If the RTA in its judgment, because it is the financial oversight agency of the region, felt that there will act be sufficient money 142  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 83rd Legislative Day October 20, 1983 available tc pay for the provisions of the contract, then the RTA would be in a position to reject the budget and to tell the parties to go back to negotiations which would hopefully lead to the consummation cf a contract where there will be sufficient money to pay icr the provisions of the contract."

"The... I want to get to the $33,000,000 that the CTA owe the union. I don't think you answered the question, Mr. Speaker. This is union... well, employees money which is $33,000,000 that the CTA loaned the union in good faith. Will the union receive this money back, the $33,000,000 back under this legislation?"

"As I stated earlier, Mr. Shaw, you probably would get a better answer to that question if you would ask the leaders of the union to share with you the conversations that they've had OVEL the last two to three months with CTA management."

"To the Bill, Mr. Speaker." Speaker Matijevich:  83rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENEGAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE October 20, 1983 that, because ause all other pensioners, when people get ready to retire their money is there. We have voted cn legislation in this chamber time and time again and secured, made sure that when a person reaches the age, retirement age, that their money bas going to be there. But this legislation is asking the people of Chicago and the people of Illinois to take $33,000,000 of poor people's money right out from under their nose. I think this is a tragedy. I think it's bad... it's a kad precedent. I know that back in June when the police and firemen passed legislation through this very chamker where that по cne could touch their pension money, but yet, today, you are asking us to support legislation that wili just do a Robinhood to employees of the CTA. I don't think it's fair. I know that you need the $75,000,000 subsidy for Chicago, and I'm for Chicago. I'm for the $75,000,000. I support the program basically. Eut in this legislation, you're asking me to vote against the men and women who have paid their hard earned money into a pension fund that's not going to be there at the tire that they've reached retirement age. This is what you're asking US to do. Certainly, I think the men and women of this Body, they have common sense. And it's just like Cur gension fund right here in this chamber. If the same thing were to happen to us, we would not stand for it. We'd be all up on their chandelier up here raising hell, and I think that's what the people that work for Chicago Transit Authority should do. I don't see... I don't think it's right. You know it's not right. You know that this legislation should have the guarantees in it that prctects the people's pension fund of Chicago and the Transit Authority. And above all, I can understand the other side of the aisle introducing this type of legislation, but we are Democrats, 144  83rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENEGAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION СЕВАТЕ October 20, 1983 and we have always been for the working people. But today you're telling us that we are the ones who have the gun and go rob the poor people of this state and of the City of Chicago. And I think it's unfair to the people of Chicago. Thank you."

"Representative Doug Buff."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield for a question?"

"Which one? Which one do you want?"

"Mr. Madigan."

"Okay."

"Nike, can ycu explain this Section on page 20, line 15, that the Chicago Transit Authority has cr will obtain by January 1, 1985 the forgiveness, codification or discharge of a note or notes, debts, bcnds or other instruments cther than notes held by a unit of local government in an amount of $33,000,000? Can you explain that to we?"

"That provision is also contained in House Bill 1805, and that is the Section of the Bill that relates to the matter that Representative Shaw was discussing which is the subject of the on going negotiations between management and CTA and representatives of the union."

"Alright, then there is another Section. On page 17, line 10, can you explain the rationale fcr that? That deals with allowing the chairman, I imagine you mean the chairman of CTA, he can, in effect, re reside out cf the City of Chicago. Is that correct?"

"The furpose of this provision of the Bill was that the Legislature would reaffirm what the current СТА law is, because current CIA law provides that the chairman of the CTA must live in the metropclitan area and that the chair is under nc obligation to live in the city. That's the current law. So this simply is a reaffirmation of the 145  STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DЕБАТЕ 83rd Legislative Day current law."

"Right. To the Eill, Mr. Speaker."

"Proceed." October 20, 1983

"I шау not be as charged up as Representative Shaw, but inwardly, I feel just as bad as he dc that... that...that this Bill that we are forced to vote on really put many of our Members in a box. And...if we're going to recognize the sanctity of one union, we should recognize the sanctity of all unions. I don't think that Mr. Madigan cr Mr...or the Governor would dare have the gall tc ask the police and the firemen tc forgive one dime of their union money. And this is nothing more than union busting at the legislative level, which I don't think they have any business in engaging in. Eut I'm going to support this Bill, but I want to go on record recognizing the travesty and the dangerous precedence set here by, of all people, the Leadership of this Body."

"Bepresentative Fullock."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Speaker Madigan, would you answer a couple of questions I think that would clarify this Bill? Speaker Madigan, absent the legislation before us, what impact would this have on commuter affairs in the City? Specifically, what impact would it have on commuter services to those areas of the City that depend so heavily on public transportation?"

"My judgment is that absent this legislation which means there will be no subsidy available for the RTA that in due time, which will be a very short time, the CTA will come up against a very severe cash crisis which could lead to a shutdown of service, which would mean there would be no transit service in Chicago and in those suburbs served by Bullock: the CTA." "Also, Speaker Madigan, the Governor has a fixed 146  83rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIFTION СЕВАТЕ October 20, 1983 amendatory veto to legislation calling for public employee ccllective bargaining. Would that legislation have any impact on existing unions involved in transit in the City of Chicago?"

"No."

"One last question, Speaker Madigan.. Is it your opinion that the Mayor of the City of Chicago now supports this legislation?"

"Well, he told me yesterday in the Governor's Office that he would support this legislation."

"Mr. Speaker, to the Eill."

"Froceed."

"Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, We are extremely aware of the fact that in the City of Chicago that we have reform. This legislation is compatible with that reform. It is certainly not pleasant that we stand up and vote on this measure because it's not perfect. But unlike some of the previous speakers, we have to stand up on this floor and speak for the cornuters and for the consumers of service. Those consumers of service, now, are being short changed with the teachers strike in the City of Chicago which are placing the kids on the streets. Those consumers are demanding services which the Mayor of the City of Chicago has represented, and he intends to give them, in a first class manner, to every section of the City that deserves the quality of service, in SODE instances, historically, they have not gotten. I don't see any choice but to support this legislation for the consumers of service. The commuters of service will certainly be adversely affected if not traumatized if legislation does not pass. I join the Mayor of the City of Chicago, who supports this legislation. It's nct pleasant but it's needed. We have to make certain in the dreads of winter 147  STATE OF ILIINCIS 83RD GENEBAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF SEPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIFTION CEBATE 83rd Legislative Day Octcber 20, 1983 that the els are running. And if reform is what it takes to make certain that the services continue, then I for one am voting for reform. And I urge an 'aye vote in support of the Speaker's proposition."

"Representative Davis to close."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In summary and in closing, I think Speaker Madigan has addressed the concerns from across the aisle directed to his, in full, as a matter of fact, and shows a deep working knowledge as he always has of the transit issues in the City of Chicago. A great deal of misinformation in innuendo and allegation regarding provisions of reform and cost containment in 1805 and then repeated in this Bill have been put cut in the last two or three days. The object of this Bill is to complement and supplement 1805, and the cbject cf that is to have an efficient, well run, cost contained system of mass transit in the northeastern region of this State. Yes, it contains a subsidy, but in exchange for that, it contains significant cost containment refcrms in both Bills. I'd going to move for the passage of Senate Bill 1113 (sic 1118), but prior to that, I'm going to read into the record the legislative intent that we believe is required because of the nature of a supplemental or trailer Bill to 1805, so that their companions can be fitted together as they pass the Illinois Senate. When Senate Pil1 1118 takes effect upon its becoming a law and is intended to supersede all other Acts passed by the General Assently after October 1st, 1983, and before the passage of this Act, where a particular Section of the Regional Transportation Authority Act or the Metropolitan Transit Authority Act is amended cr added by this Act, and also one or more cther Acts of the General Assembly passed after October 1, 1983, and before the passage cf this Act, Senate Eill 1118, only the 148  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY EOUSE OF REFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION ΣΕΒΑΤΕ October 20, 1983 83rd Legislative Day Amendment or addition of that Section of this Act shall be given effect. And that is the legislative intent of this Sponsor and of the Members of this House as it passes with your favorable vcte. And I move for the passage of Senate Bill 1118."

"On Representative Davis's Motion, the question is, 'Shall Senate Bill 1118 pass?' Those in favor signify by voting 'aye', cpposed by voting 'no'. Takes three-fifths vote. Have all voted? Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 82 'ayes', 28 'nays', 1 answering 'present'. And Senate Bill 1116, having received the Constitutional Three-Fifths Majority, is hereby declared passed. DeJaegher 'no'. I understand the... Representative Cullerton on that Senate Bill 1153 Conference Committee Report has been corrected. The Gentleman from Cock, Representative Cullerton, on the Order of Conference Committee Reports on Senate Bill 1153."

"Thank you. Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I did explain this Conference Committee Report, 1153, before and we did pass it. Unfortunately, I... what I wanted to refer to was the First Corrected Conference Committee Report, which has just been distributed. It refers to the addition of one junior law clerk for each Judge of the Supreme Court and a permissive increase in the maximum salary paid full time court reporters beginning July 1, 1984. And I would move for the adoption of the First Corrected Conference Committee Report on Senate Bill 1153."

"There was an objection, Representative DeJaegher, which I didn't note, so that was contrary to the rules as long as there wasn't leave. It was after the Roll Call had been announced, and somebody thought I hadn't 149  STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF BEPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEPATE 83rd Legislative Day announced it, Senate Bill... 11 Octcber 20, 1983 but to make sure, which I know we bad, but

"Mr. Speaker? Mr. Speaker?"

"Yes. Who's seeking attention?"

"Cullerton."

"Cullerton. Yes."

"For the record. Who made the objection?"

"Lee Daniels. So that it is clear, and nd I... the Chair did announce Senate Eill 1118. The vote was what, Jack? 82 'ayes', 28 'pays', and Senate Bill 1118, having received the Constitutional Three-Fifths Majority, is hereby declared passed. Now, Representative Cullerton on Senate Bill 1153,"

"Yes. I have concluded my remarks, and I would ask for the adoption."

"Representative Cullerton MOVES for the adoption of the Conference Committee Befort on Senate Bill 1153. Those in favor signify by voting 'aye', opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record.. Cn this guestion, there are 8.0 'ayes', 26 'nays, 1 answering present', and the House does... and this, having received a Constitutional Three-Fifths Majority, the icuse has accpted the Conference Committee Beport on Senate Bill 1153. Page two of the Calendar, House Bill Second Reading, appears House Bill 1644. Are there Amendments? The Eill has been read a second time."

"House Bill 1644, a Bill fcr an Act to amend Sections of the Nursing Home Care Befcrm Act. This Bill has been read a second time previcusly, and next Amendment was Amendment #39, Slape Bullock Shaw."

"Leave to withdraw Amendment #9. Is that correct? Leave, and Amendment #9 is withdrawn. Further 150  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENEGAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 8  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIFTION DEBATE October 20, 1983 83rd Legislative Day Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #14, Madigan, amends House Bill 1644 as amended by deleting everything after the enacting clause and so forth."

"This must be the COE. Sepresentative Currie... Representative Currie? Withdraw? Representative Currie on Amendment #14. This must be the place."

"Thank you, Mr.. Speaker and Members of the House. Amendment #214 would, as the Clerk so appropriately put it, delete everything after the enacting clause, and it would make, again, some stylistic and technical changes, some carefully crafted changes in House Eill 1644. This, in fact, is Speaker Madigan's Arendment, and I believe that he's on his way to address the chamber with respect to its provisions.. But the point of this Amendment is to say, discussions are still continuing among the various groups that have been hard at work on House Bill 1644 over the last eight months. There is the possibility, within the next 10 days, that some agreements will be reached among the provider groups, the citizen watchdcg groups, the law enforcement officials, the Nurses Association, the Department of Fublic Health and all those who have participated in this process. It is certainly my hope, as the Sponsor of the Bill, that we would be able to come to some kind of improvements, agreed improvements in the Nursing Home Care Reform Law during this Fall Session of the Legislature. I know that that is the Speaker's hope, as well, and I believe that that is the intent in offering this House Arendrent 14."

"Representative Currie acves the adoption of Amendment #14. Being no discussion, all in favor... Representative Madigan. I'm sorry. Speaker Madigan."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen, 1 rise in support of 152  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENEBAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEEATE 83rd Legislative Day the Lady's Mction to adopt 1644. October 20, 1983 Amendment #14 to House Bill The adoption of this Arendient would render this Bill a shell Bill which would be moved to the Senate to permit continued discussion and negotiation between the proponents of this Bill on the one hand, and representatives of the health care industry on the other. You all know that the Bill was the subject of a great deal of discussion. We would hope that that discussion would continue and that when we return for the final week of the Veto Session, we would be in a position to consider and, hopefully, adopt reform legislation for the nursing homes of this state. Thank you."

"Representative Cowlishaw. Coulishas."

"Er. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, as the hyphenated Cosponsor c.f House Bill 1644, I am in support of Representative Currie's Motion."

"Representative Currie bas moved to adopt Amendment #14 All in favor say 'aye, opposed 'nay', and the Amendment #14 is adopted. Are there further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Bead the Bill."

"House Bill 1644, a Fill for an Act to amend Sections of the Nursing Home Care Reform Act. Third Reading of the Fill."

"Representative Currie on the Bill."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. The Amendment just adopted of course becomes the Bill. I think it's been well explained by Speaker Madigan, and I urge support of this House for Senate Bill 1644... sorry, House Bill... maybe you'd... correct the board."

"Representative Currie has moved that House Bill 1644 do pass. Being no discussion, the question is, 153  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 83rd Legislative Day October 20, 1983 'Shall House Bill... I'm sorry. Representative Ewing. I have a piece of paper right over your light, Sir. Representative Ewing."

"Thank you. Yes, thank you. I wonder if the Sponsor, Representative Currie, would yield?"

"She indicates she will."

"Could you explain to me, Representative, the necessity of sending this Bill to the Senate. Is it such a thing that we could not act on it in the first week in November?"

"Well, Representative, if we are going to act on nursing home reform legislation this fall, I think the only way for us to do it is to move this Bill into the Senate. There is a constitutional requirement: Three readings in each chamber. If we were to wait to act upon this Bill when we return in November, there would not be adequate opportunity for the Senate to give consideration to it during that same week."

"Well, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I'm sure Representative Currie at least is technically right, but we all know that we can do anything we want down here in one day, and we do it all the time. I don't know that all the brains and all the ideas are in the Senate. We have certainly sent a lot of shell Bills over there, and we are advocating our right to legislate by doing so. I think this Bill ought to stay here, be worked out here, and then let the Senate go along with us. Maybe that's why they call this the lower House, though."

"Representative Currie to close."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. Certainly, those from the House who have been involved in the development of House Bill 1644 will continue to be so. In fact, we have already arranged continuing meetings with all the relevant organizations, associations and groups. I 154  83rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENEGAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF  83rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIFTION CEHATE October 20, 1983 and the reason for that is that there is no possible problem with abandonment of that hus route to an airport. I would be glad to answer any questions that you have about this Conference Committee Report, but I hope that you would agree to a 'yes' vote on it. Tha Thank you."

"Representative Nelson has moved the adoption of Conference Committee Report on Ecuse Eill 2072. There being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall the House adopt the Conference Committee Report on House Bill 20722' Those in favor signify by voting 'aye', opposed 'no". I'm sorry. Cullerton, were you seeking recognition? I'm sorry. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 109 'ayes', 1 'nay', and House Eill... the House does adopt the Conference Committee Report on House Bill 2072, having received the Constitutional Three-Fifths Majority. Senate Bill 1093, McCracken. Representative McCracken on the Conference Committee Report on Senate Bill 1093. Representative Friedrich, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"

"Mr. Speaker, I was distracted during the Roll Call on 1644. I'd like leave of the House to be recorded as voting 'no'. It would not change the outcome."

"Leave to be recorded... Friedrich 'aye' on 1644. Leave. Representative Woodman... Bowman? He objects unless you let DeJaegher get leave on the other one."

"Well, wait a minute. Mr. Speaker, I was going to say, I recommend that we have leave for DeJaegher and leave for Friedrich. Why don't we do that?"

"Do we... Is there leave for Friedrich on 1644 and DeJaegher on Senate Bill 1118? Leave? No, there's objection, so... There's objection, so... I did 156  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 83rd Legislative Day October 20, 1983 announce the... Representative McCracken now on Senate Bill 1093."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. The Conference Committee Report on Senate Bill 1093 creates the new offense of defaced appliances. This Bill is in response to a situation developing downstate where appliances are sold fraudulently in that it is purported that they are subject to a manufacturer's warranty. The purchase price reflects that as part of its consideration, and the persons have been defrauded in an attempt to have these appliances fixed. This situation has proved not susceptible for correction under the current criminal code, and this would create an offense for the warehousing of such fraudulently defaced and sold items. I ask the Conference Committee be adopted... Report be adopted."

"Representative McCracken has moved the adoption of Conference Committee Report on Senate Bill 1093. Being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall the House adopt the Conference Committee Report on Senate Bill 1093?' Those in favor signify by voting 'aye', opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 108 'ayes', no 'nays', 1 'present', and the House does adopt the Conference Committee Report on Senate Bill 1093, having received the Constitutional Three-Fifths Majority. On page eight of the Calendar, Total Veto Motions, appears House Bill 1500, Representative LeFlore. Representative LeFlore on House Bill 1500."

"Mr. Speaker, I move to override the veto of House Bill 1500. This Bill is merely a recordkeeping Bill that requires the Director of Insurance to... for each person applying for the license exam to provide the Department with the same demographic information and to maintain 157  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 83rd Legislative Day records and issue reports concerning October 20, 1983 the I information. would like to have a favorable vote on House Bill 1500."

"Bepresentative LeFlore has moved the House do pass House Bill 1500, the vetc of the GovernoΣ notwithstanding. On that, the Gentleman Representative Taylor." from Cook,

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. This is the Bill that came up yesterday, and there was a little confusion on it between Representative Mautino and myself, and I think he's able to correct that today. And I, too, move for the passage of House Bill 1500, since it's simply nothing but a recordkeeping Eill."

"The Gentleman from Kendall, Representative

Hastert. Hastert: "Gould the Sponsor yield?"

"He indicates he will."

"What kind of demographic information... Is this something to take the test, or what?"

"It's... When there... When a person applies to take the test, that they will not reveal... they will be able to reveal the information regarding cclor, creed and national origin."

"So, you're saying that they must or will nct?"

"They must. I'm sorry. They will nct. I'm sorry. My mistake."

"Now, you're sure. They will net divulge race, creed or color. Is that correct?"

"They will not divulge that particular information."

"Okay. Now, isn't that on the... constitutionally, that they don't have to divulge that now?"

"Well, I understand... If I understand the analysis, that information... There's a difference in the person who is taking the test. My understanding of the analysis, when 158  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENEBAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 83rd Legislative Day Octcber 20, 1983 the test is given, there's a different test given for... given to a person according to their race.."

"Is that... You're saying that there actually is a different test given according to race?"

"Yeah, according to the analysis, my understanding of the analysis."

"Well, let me ask you another guestion. When you take that test, ycu have to present a photograph for identification reasons so that you don't have somebody else taking th the test for you. Are ycu saying that's a democratic... demographic identification?"

"I would think so, Sic."

"So, you're not asking for photographs either?"

"Yes, you are... you are asking for photographs."

"I beg your pardon?"

"Photographs will be offered... requested, I should say."

"Well, as a matter of fact, not requested, but they're required. Is that correct?"

"Required. Yeah. Fequired."

"So, you're saying that you reguest or you require a photograph, but you don't require any cther information."

"My understanding, yes."

"Alright. Well, does it make any difference?"

"Would it make any difference?"

"Yes."

"Well, 1 think the photograph would serve the purpose..."

"Alright."

"Eecause, you know, it shows the person's picture."

"Right. Well, we certainly would be interested not in having somebody come in and taking a test for somebody else, obviously." 159  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF BEPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE October 20, 1983 83rd Legislative Day

"I would hope not."

"So... Well, right. We're interested in not having that happen. So, what I'm asking you, Sir, is that in this piece of legislation and the legislative intent of this piece of legislation, is that: sill the photographs still be used as a record of identification in the testing process?"

"Yes. Yes."

"Are you nct eliminating that?"

"NO."

"And that's specifically stated in the Bill?"

"Right. They said to provide. demographics."

"I beg your pardon?"

"It said, to provide the demographics, and there could be Demographic information." The Department will say

Department with certain Hastert: "But you're saying that ycu demographic infcrmation."

"No. NG. NG. No." a picture, you know. want to strike that tert: "Well, I... You know, I was just ccnfused. I thought you said that you wanted the Department to strike the demographics."

"No, I didn't say that, Sir. It's a recordkeeping Bill, Hastert: Sir." "I'm a little confused, and I'm trying to do. Thank you." Speaker Matijevich: nct sure what we're "Further discussion? If not, Representative LeFlore to close. IeFlore to Representative Representative Mautino, are you seeking recognition?" Mautino: close. "Yes, Mr. Speaker, I raised the question concerning 1134 and its comparison to 1500 in my remarks made yesterday on three of the the same legislation, mainly because 160  STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 83rd Legislative Day October 20, 1983 provisions are acceptable to the Department of Insurance and in compliance, probably, with 3400. And those are the provisions for demographics as they pertain to licensing examination, the maintenance of the records and the... and the complete reliability and validity of those records on an ongoing basis. The question that I raised at that time was the provisions for a entry level job related examination. I was informed that that provision did not comply with 1134, and at this point in time, it does not. But in my discussions with Representative Birkinbine, the Minority Member of Insurance, he infcrmed me that during the Committee hearings and evaluations, there ras an agreement fcr House Bill 150C with the Minority Members of the Committee and the Sponsor of the legislation. In that regard, if, in fact, there was an agreement that this would only be a temporary measurΕ during the interic period between the enactment of this legislation and the implementation of House Bill 1134, then I would remove шу objection in that regard, but it was coly that interim period that he informed me that the entry level provisions could be accepted. And if 1 wrong оп that, Representative Birkinkine can correct me, but that was his information to me."

"Representative LeFlore to close."

"Mr. Speaker, I'm only asking for a favorable vote On this Bill. This is a recordkeeping Bill. Thank you."

"The question is, 'Shall House Eill 1500 pass, the veto of the Governor notwithstanding?" Those in favor signify by voting 'aye", opposed no. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 61 ayes', 34 'nays', 2 answering present'. And Representative LeFlore asks a Poll of the Absentees. Leverenzaje. 62 ayes and a 161  83rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENEGAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF SEPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE October 20, 1983 Poll of the Absentees."

"Poll of the Absentees. Perrios. Caffarelli. Ralph Dunn. Exing."

"Johnson aye', 'Aye?" Johnson, press your button. Is it on yet? "NO" Johuson. Johnson is no. Steczo 'aye."

"Continuing the Poll cf the Absentees. Ewing. Farley. Dwight Friedrich. Giglio."

"Friedrich 'no'.. Proceed."

"Jaffe. Keane, Kıska. Laurinc. McAuliffe."

"Homer, 'aye'. Homer 'aye.."

"Continuing a Poll of the Absentees. W. Feterson. Preston. Ronan. erzich. Topinka. Winchester. Woodyard and Yourell."

"What's the count, Mr. Speaker (sic Clerk)? 63 'ayes'. Yourell 'aye'. 64... and Berrios Jaye. 65 "ayes". How many 'no', Jack? 35 'nays', 1 present', and the Motion is hereby declared iost. Dces any cther Member have a veto Motion on the Calendar they want to proceed with? I hope not. Next Order of Eusiness will be on the Supplementary Calendar on the Grder of Motions, appears House Resolution 527, Representative Shaw. Is Representative Shaw in the Assembly? Oh. Representative Taylor. I'm sorry. I didn't know."

"Mr. Speaker, I have a Motion on 1500 that 1 filed yesterday. I noticed you just called cne for Representative LeFlore and did not call sine."

"I wasn't even aware of it, Representative Taylor. I' sorry. Representative Shaw in the assembly hall? This was... This will... The next matter of business will be the last matter of business. On the Order of Consideration Fostponed is House Bill 2311, Representative Rea." 162  STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEFATE 83rd Legislative Day October 20, 1983

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. I think that there were some misinterpretation, misinformation on the last go around there that this would be a national coal museum that... Illinois... it would only... There would be only one of its type, and it would be in Illincis, and, you know, it would be of much value. And I would ask for a favorable Boll Call."

"Eepresentative Hea πανες that House Bill 2311 do pass. All in favor vote 'aye", cpposed vote nc'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 66 'ayes', 39 'nays', and the Motion is hereby declareά lcst. Wait a minute. Representative Rea, for what purpose do you rise?"

"Foll of the Absentees, please."

"Foll the absentees. Με has that right. Foll the absentees."

"Poll of the Absentees. Cullerton."

"I'm sorry. Representative Cullerton 'aya". Panayotovich 'aye'."

"Domicc. Ralph Dunn."

"Representative Vinson, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"

"If this gets enough votes, I'm going to verify it."

"Oh, boy."

"Continuing the Poll of the Absentees."

"Okay."

"Jaffe. Markette. McAuliffe. Neff. Panayotovich. Preston. Rice. e. Topinka."

"Fanayotovich is 'aye'."

"Vitek and Yourell."

"What's the count? Markette aye'. 69... Rice 'aye'. That's 70. You need one acre. Bepresentative Cowlishaw, for what purpose dc you seek recognition? 163  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 83rd Legislative Day October 20, 1983 Change from 'aye' to 'no'. Leverenz, you are on 'aye'. You're on 'aye'. Representative Leverenz, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"

"Leave to be verified."

"Leave to be verified. 69 'ayes', 40 'nos'. The Gentleman asks leave to keep it on postponed? Is that what you're trying to do? Alright. No, the Bill is... Oh, it's declared lost. Yeah. He wants it declared lost. I understand there... we do have a couple more Total Veto Motions. One of them  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 83rd Legislative Day Nelson: notwithstanding. I On that, Ciana Nelsco." Octcber 20, 1983 "Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. would like to explain very briefly why there is opposition to this Bill. School teachers would be treated differently from any other class of employees, for this reason: Other employers do not have to pay double when their employees take off to 99 tc scme governmental meeting. Under this proposal, school cards culd not only have to pay the teacher's salary, but would also have to pay a substitute teacher for that day, and for that reason and for the fact that this, once again, takes Power abay from local school boards for self-determination, I would urge a 'no' vote."

"Bepresentative Bannig to close."

"Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker, Merkers of the House. This Bill was originally brought to my attention by the United Mine Workers in an effort to try to address some of the problems that we have in working class districts. The Illinois Education Association has also expressed support of this Bill in Committee and on the floor. Pasically, all the groups that represent working wen and women in this state support this Bill. As I stated earlier, it is an effort to try to promote democracy among our working people, to try to allow a method wherety people who have to work for a living can still farticipate in the democratic process. It would be unfortunate in my mind if an elitist group of people, those people who had the time and the money, could simply run our government at all levels. This Bill would try to open up the doors and provide more grass roots participation in the process at the lowest levels of government. I would appreciate your 'yes' vote cn this important Bill."

"Bepresentative Hannig has moved the House... 165  STATE OF ILLINOIS 33RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CREATE 83rd Legislative Day October 20, 1983 that House Bill 1023 do pass, the veto of the Governor notwithstanding. Those in favor vote 'aye', cpposed vote 'no'. Final action. Requires three-fifths. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 68 'ayes', 37 'nays', and the Gentleman asks a Poll of the Absentees."

"Poll of the Absentees. Eçuman. Ercokins. Doyle. Ralph Dunn. Flinn. Dwight Friedrich. Jaffe. Levin."

"Levin 'aye'. Brookins 'aye'. Sam Wolf 'aye'. On this question, there are 71 'ayes', 37 'nays', and House Bill 1023... Hallock 'nc'. House Bill 1023, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed, the veto... Oh, I'm sorry. They added 3. Oh.. Oh, you went from 'aye' to 'no', did ycu, John? I'm sorry."

"Continuing the Poll of the Absentees."

"Continue."

"Jaffe. McAuliffe. Frestcn. Topinka and Woodyard."

"Close but far. On this Mction, there are 70 'ayes', 38 'nos', and this... Eowman 'aye'. On this Motion, there are 71 'ayes', 30... what? 38 'ncs', and the Motion is hereby declared... the Bill is hereby declared passed, having received the Constitutional Three-Fifths Majority, notwithstanding the veto of the Governor. House Bill 1382, Vinson. The Gentleman frcm DeWitt, Vinson."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This is the legislation that you may recall is in the nature of a statute of limitations on tax claims. It cuts off the tail of the dog after a year, and by doing so, encourages people who wish to do so to file quickly. In 166  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION LEBATE 83rd Legislative Day October 20, 1983 addition to that, it will avoid further real estate tax levies on farmers and on homeowners for the purpose of repaying these large scale claims. And for those reasons, I would urge that the House cverride the veto of the Governor in regard to House Eill 1382."

"Sepresentative Vinson has moved House Bill 1382 do pass, the Governor's vetc notwithstanding. Representative Cullerton."

"Will the Sponsor yield for a question?"

"Yes. Proceed."

"Representative Vinson, this Bill would purport to limit the period of recovery for taxes that were collected cne year prior to the date upon which the compliant was filed. Is that correct?"

"Yes."

"What about taxes that are recovered after the complaint is filed?"

"This seeks to cut off recovery for years in the past, not for years in the future."

"If tax... If the suit was filed tcday, and taxes were collected for eight more months, and then there was a judgment, would you be able to recover thcse taxes that were collected after the filing of the complaint?"

"Yes, the cutoff is for the period in the year prior... for... for obligations in the year prior to the filing of the complaint."

"So, the answer would be 'no'. I mean, the answer is "yes"."

"Yeah."

"Well, Dow that that's clear, I think I can support your Motion."

"Representative Ewing."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, it's 167  STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY BOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 83rd Legislative Day late. Everybody wants to go home. colleague, but this is a very bad Eill. October 20, 1983 I hate to oppose my It's bad for the taxpayers. It's bad for the utility companies. It's bad for all of us except for a very few. The solution which is needed to this problem can and should be worked out in a limited Bill. This Bill is all to inclusive. It alloWS too many loopholes, and I would suggest that we nct, at this late hour, approve the override of this veto. The matter has been rejected once. That was wise action, and I would think that we should dc the same again."

"Speaker Madigan. Ob, there's something wrong here. Your light's on. I'm sorry. Do you want to speak? Alright. Alright. I called ycu, and I didn't know... Proceed."

"Mr. Speaker, I rise in support of the Gentleman's Motion to override the veto of the Governor. This Bill strikes a balance between the interest of municipalities and other governmental units in Frctecting their tax resources, and at the same time, provides an incentive for the filing of taxpayer lawsuits sufficient SO that, cn balance, we should have a situation which will give rise to meritorious actions kut discourage thcse which are not of good merit. Thank you."

"Representative Eirkinbine."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I rise in cppcsition to this Bill. In speaking with the Taxpayers' Federation this morning, the Taxpayers Federation said they looked at the Bill, and it was far too broad, far too encompassing. They're very much against it, but not only that. It's probably the very worst Bill of the Session.. The history of the Fill is that in the early hours of July of this year, a Bill went to the Conference Committee, was gutted, and this language was put into it. 166  83rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE October 20, 1983 So, it has not gone through the normal process that we look at in assessing a Bill. If, indeed, they wish to have a statute of limitaticns as far as a municipality is concerned, fine. Fut such a limited control Eil1 in, but let's run it through the normal processes. I would say that for the one group of people who are not being taken into consideration in all the discussions on this Bill, are the taxpayers. We're talking about a lot of money, but we keep referring to the municipalities' money. That's like talking about federal money or state вспеу. It's not their money. It's the people's money. And basically, what we're saying with legislation like this is that the people may have had taxes taken from the in an unconstitutional manner, and now we're sitting here saying, "Sorry, you can't get it all back.. Well, that's just plain wrong. And the Taxpayers Federation is right in saying that this is probably the worst Bill kicking arcund here of the Session. And frankly, I would not like to have that labeled on any vote of mine, that if we come away from our work down with anything, it's nice to the friend of the taxpayer, and certainly the Federation is an independent group that dces not get involved in petty squabbles or bickering. It is a bad Bill, and it does not deserve the vote of anybody in the Session, and WE'VE got an interesting, should I say, cabal working on this baby. So, I would... I would suggest that everybody here give it a 'no' vote."

"Representative Frumrer."

"Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thi This is a Bill that I spent some time yesterday discussing with Representative Vinson. I think he intentionally did not go into a great deal of detail explaining at this time, and I will not take up a great deal of time. It is the sage bad Fill that we 169  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 83rd Legislative Day defeated Octcber 20, 1983 yesterday. I think there were 58 'yes' votes on this Bill. For the record, Mr. Speaker, I would like leave of the House to have y nare removed as the chief hyphenated Sponsor оп this Bill. 1 t was a Bill that originally dealt with public aid fraud and came back from a Conference Cosaittee somehow dealing with taxpayers' rights and their right to recover taxes that WELE illegally assessed. So, I would like leave of the House to have my name removed as the chief hyphenated Sponsor from this public aid fraud Bill that has turned into some other monstrosity. Lo I have leave?"

"That was the fraud, wher they put your nage on it, evidently. Leave to rerove Erummer as the chief Sponsor. Leave. Representative Sam Sclf. Oh, I'm sorry. You wanted to speak to the Bill. Alright."

"Yes. I would... I would... This will severely jeopardize the rights of the taxpayers that have paid their taxes under protest that have appeals ferding, because the specific language that is used is the complaint language. Instead of being a public aid fraud, this is a Bill that's an attempt at a fraud OD the public. Ξ ought to resoundingly reject this. The Illinois Taxpayers' Federation are right when they urge that we sustain the Governor's veto. The Governor was correct, and we ought to have fewer votes on this today than we did yesterday."

"Representative Sam Wolf."

"Mr. Speaker, I move the previous question."

"Representative Sam Wolf noves the previcus question. All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay', and the previous question prevails. Representative Vinson to close."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I believe Representative Madigan was absolutely correct when 170  STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEEATE 83rd Legislative Day October 20, 1983 he said that we have to create an incentive for people to file complaints quickly. There has tc be an end to everything in litigation, and that's what this does. It also avoids the situation where taxing bodies have to go out and levy taxes OD farmers and homeowners because someone has failed to file a complaint within a reasonable period of timе. In addition to that, it solves a very substantial problem with the local government finance and school finance in a number of areas in Kill County, Kendall County, and in Lake County. I would urge an 'aye vote for this Bill because it's good government."

"Alright. Mulcahey also asks leave to remove his name from the Bill. Leave, and Mulcahey's gone. Representative Vinson moves that House Fill 1382 do pass, the veto of the Governor notwithstanding. Опє пошеnt. Representative Birkinbine, for what purpose do you rise?"

"Thank you, r. Speaker. If this gets the requisite number of votes, I would like a verification of the Affirmative Foll Call."

"And you'd be surprised, too, probably. House Bill... House Bill 1382 do pass, the veto cf the Governor notwithstanding. Those in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'nc'. Have all voted? Eave all voted who wish? Representative Leverenz to explain his vote." Leveren2: "Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We shall pass no Bill before its time."

"Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 29 'ayes', 64 *nays', 5 voting 'present', and the Motion is hereby declared lost. House Bill 150C, now, I believe, will be the last one. Representative Taylor has a Mction. he did... We did press... I mean Shaw's, but we do... or LeFlore's, but there is a Motion by Bepresentative Taylor. 171  STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 83rd Legislative Day Taylor: Representative Taylor on the Motion." Octcber 20, 1983 I "Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Menters cf the House. regret to have to call this Fill a second time today, but I think it's just that important. I think the issues that were raised by the Representative on the other side of the aisle was irrelevant. It simply is a recordkeeping Bill, whatever recordkeeping' means, and whatever the insurance industry wants. The insurance companies have all fought this piece of legislation. Therefore, that's why I'm pushing hard to see that it gets passed. I have voted continuously to support good Bills here, but for some reason, it seers that I cannot get a Eill passed in this Session. I wonder why. This ODE doesn't cost anyone anything. Not one dime does it cost you. All I ask is your support for House Bill 1500."

"Bepresentative Taylor moves House Eill 1500 do pass, the veto of the Governor notwithstanding. Those in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no. Have all vated? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 61 'ayes', 38 nays', and Representative Taylor asks a Poll of the Absentees."

"Poll of the Absentees. Ferrics. Capparelli. Ralph Dunn. Farley. Giglio. Harris. Jaffe. Keane. Kıska. Laurico. Preston. Ronan. Yourell," McAuliffe. Neff. Fanayotovich.

Terzich. Topinka. Woodyard and Speaker Hatijevich: "What's the count, Mr. Speaker? 61 'ayes', 38 'nays', and the Motion is hereby declared lost. Would the Members have the attention of the Chair, and I will announce some procedures on the House as We Froceed from this week until the first week in Noveaber. First of all, pick up the Senate Bills sent to the House for House sponsorship. That's on new legislation. Also, go to the 172  STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 83rd Legislative Day October 20, 1983 Senate to be sure that Senate Sponsors are placed on your legislation that has passed the House this week. That's new legislation, also. The Rules Committee will be meeting sometime next week. If you have any Senate Bills which you deemed necessary for emergency consideration, submit your exemption requests to the Clerk's Office in order that it may be posted for the Rules Committee meeting. The House will remain in Perfunctory Session today to accept Messages from the Senate. After Perfunctory Session today, the House will stand adjourned until Monday, October 31, for Perfunctory Session and will return at 12:00 noon on Tuesday, November 1, for the Regular Session. Representative McPike... oh, Agreed Resolutions."

"House Resolution 526, Krska; 527, Shaw; 528, Younge; 531, Rice; 532, Brunsvold; 533, Jane Barnes; and House Joint Resolution 97, DiPrima."

"Representative Giorgi on the Agreed Resolutions."

"526, by Krska, notes a celebration; 527, by Shaw, implores the Chicago Board of Education and the teachers' union to get together on the strike; 528, by Younge, salutes an excellent day program; 531, by Rice, tells of a dedication; 532, by Brunsvold, remarks... notes the remarkable 30 years of service; 533, by Barnes, celebrates a 25th anniversary; and 97, by DiPrima, congratulates Dave Luttrell. I move for the adoption of the Agreed Resolutions."

"Representative Giorgi moves the adoption of the Agreed Resolutions. All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay', and the Agreed Resolutions are adopted. What... One more announcement. Some of you were here for Committee meetings Monday. Submit vouchers for your lodging and meals to the Clerk's Office. The travel is paid out 173  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 83rd Legislative Day October 20, 1983 regular, as you all know, so you're all being paid the one travel per week. But lodging and your meals, submit a voucher. The Adjournment Resolution?"

"Senate Joint Resolution #70 resolved of the Senate of the 83rd General Assembly of the State of Illinois, the House of Representatives concurring therein, that when the Senate adjourns on Thursday, October 20, 1983, it stands adjourned until Tuesday, November 1, 1983, at 12:00 noon. And when the House of Representatives adjourns on Thursday, October 20, 1983, it stand adjourned until Monday, October 31 at 12:00 noon, and when it adjourns on Monday, October 31, 1983, it stands adjourned until Tuesday, November 1, 1983, at 12:00 noon."

"The Majority Leader on the Adjournment Resolution."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I move for the adoption of the Adjournment Resolution."

"Representative McFike moves for the adoption of the Adjournment Resolution. All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay', and the Adjournment Resolution is adopted. We have a Death Resolution of a former Member. No. Death Resolutions."

"House Resolution 529, Younge. Ch, no. That's... I'm sorry. That's not a Death Resolution. House Resolution 530, Lee Daniels, with respect to the memory of Melvin J. Krueger."

"Representative Giorgi moves the adoption of the Death Resolution. All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay', and the Death Resolution is adopted. General Resolutions."

"House Resolution 529, Younge."

"Committee on Assignment. Death Resolution for a former Member. Let's all be at attention. This is a 174  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 83rd Legislative Day

Death Resclution of a former Member. Clerk O'Brien: "House Resolution 5C8, Nash. October 20, 1983 Flease rise." Whereas in the due course of tire and seasons, each of us will have stayed his time on this earth; and whereas, the Honcrable Chester F. Majewski, former Representative, has stayed his time and has now departed, leaving thcse of US behind sadden but very gratified to have known him; and whereas, a lifelong resident of the northwest side of Chicago, Mr. Majewski has a long and dedicated political career and an extensive involvement in Chicago's Folish community; and whereas, Chester P. Najewski, a graduate of Northwester University Law School, served two terms in the General Assembly frcm 1962 to 1966 and was selected Outstanding Young Democrat at the Illinois State Democrat Convention in 1964; and whereas, Mr. Majewski was elected to the Sanitary District Board in 1968, where he led the fight against pollution of Lake Michigan, and whereas Mr. Majewski, described by colleagues as a concerned and compassionate Representative of the people, someone who was concerned for the little guy, was cited as Man of the Year in 1983 by th the New Horizon Center for Developmentally Disabled Children; therefore, be it resolved by the House cf Representatives of the 83rd General Assembly of the State of Illinois that we express our profound SorrowW Upon the death of cur beloved friend and former colleague, the Honorable Chester P. Najewski, that to his bereaved widow and family ые extend our heartfelt sympathy, and be it further resolved that a suitable copy of this Preamble and Resolution be presented to Mrs. Gloria Majewski as a token of our great sorrow and sense of loss."

"Representative Nash."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, it is with deep regret that I offer this Resolution in memory cf пу 175  STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY BODSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 83rd Legislative Day October 20, 1983 dear friend, Chester P. Majewski, the concerned, compassionate Representative of the people and the man who was known as always fighting for the little guy. I move at this time this Resolution be adopted, that all Members of the flouse be added as Cosponsors."

"Leave for all Members to be added as CosponsoΙΣ. Leave? Representative Pierce."

"Mr. Speaker, I am one of the rew Members left who served with Chester Majewski. I served with him in the large election of 1965 here in Springfield in the House of Representatives, and he was here prior to that, for a term or tio. I think the happiest years of Chet Majewski's political life was spent here in Springfield in the House of Representatives, and I want to second everything that Representative Nash said about this fire and compassionate man who we've lost."

"Representative Nash moves the adoption cf the Death Resolution of our fatuer Member. All in favor say 'aye", opposed 'nay', and the Death Resolution is adopted. The House will now stand in Ferfunctory Session and stand... after the Perfunctory Session, stand adjourned until Monday, October 31, for Ferfunctory Session, and then return at 12:00 noon on Tuesday, November 1, for Regular Session. The House now stands adjourned... in Perfunctory Session. I'm sorry."

"Introduction and First Reading of the Bills. House Bill 2327, Leverenz, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. First Reading of the Fill. The House will be in order in Perfunctory Session. Messages from the Senate. A Message from the Senate by Mr. Wright, Secretary. Mr. Speaker, I am directed to inform the House cf Representatives the Senate has passed a Bill of the following title, and passage of which I am instructed to 176  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF BEPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION СЕВАТЕ 83rd Legislative Day October 20, 1983 ask concurrence of the House of Representatives, to wit; Senate Bill 1309, passed by the Senate October 20, 1983, by a three-fifths vote. Kenneth Wright, Secretary.' Senate Bills First Reading. Senate Eill 1309, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Community Living Facilities Licensing Act. First Reading of the Pill. Rules Committee. A Message from the Serate by Mr. Wright, Secretary- Mr. Speaker, I am directed to inform the House of Representatives the Senate has passed the item which is attached and a Bill with the following title, the item veto of the GovernoΣ to the contrary notwithstanding, and the passage of which I am instructed to ask concurrence of the House to wit; Senate Bill 374 passed the Senate October 20, 1983. Kenneth Wright, Secretrary.' A Message from the Senate by Mr. Kright, Secretary. "MI. Speaker, I am directed to inform the House of Representatives the Senate has concurred with the House in passage of Eills of the following title to wit; House Bill 1505, together with the attached Amendment, and the adoption cf which I am instructed to ask concurrENCE cf the House of Representatives, to wit; Senate Arendient #1 passed the Senate as amended October 20, 1983. Kenneth Wright, Secretary.' A Message from the Senate by MI. Wright, Secretary. Mr. Speaker, I am directed to inform the House of Representatives the Senate has concurred with the House in passage of a Bill of the following title, to wit; House Bill #2234, together with Senate Anendaents #2 and 3, the adoption of which I am instructed to ask concurrence of the House, passed the Senate as amended October 20, 1983. Kenneth Wright, Secretary.' A Message from the Senate by Mr. Wright, Secretary. ML. Speaker, I am directed to inform the House of Representatives the Senate has concurred with the House in Fassage of a Bill of the 177  83rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF BEFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION LEEATE October 20, 1983 following title, to wit; House Bill #2106, together with Senate Amendments #1, 3, 4 and 5, and the adoption of which I am instructed to ask concurrence of the House, passed the Senate as amended October 20, 1983. Kenneth Wright, Secretary.' A Message from the Senate by Mr. Wright, Secretary. Mr. Speaker, I am directed to inform the House of Representatives the Senate has passed Pills with the following title, the Governor's specific recommendations for change to the contrary notsithstanding, and the passage of which I am instructed to ask concurrence of the House, to wit; Senate Fills #71, 448, 501, 581, 736, 824, 891, 1001, 1104 and 1116. I am further directed to transmit to the House of Representatives the following copies of the Governor's specific reccomendations fcr change to the Senate, passed by the Senate October 18, 19 and 20, 1983, by a three-fifths vote. Kenneth Wright, Secretary.' A Message from the Senate by Mr. Wright, Secretary. Mr. Speaker, I ar directed to infcrm the House of Representatives the Senate bas passed a Bill with the following title, the veto of the Governor to the contrary notwithstanding, and the passage of which I at instructed to ask concurrence of the House, to wit; Senate Bills #10, 139, 186, 302, 303, 319, 502, 520, 521, 583, 643, 688, 726, 731, 776, 826, 1020, 1122, 1156 and 1256. I am further directed to transmit to the House of Hepresentatives a copy of the Governor's Dessage, action taken by the Senate, October 20, 1983. Kenneth Wright, Secretary. A Message from the Senate by Mr. Wright, Secretary. Mr. Speaker, I am directed to inform the House of hepresentatives the Senate has passed the itens which are attached in a Bill with the following title, the iter vero of the Governor το the contrary notwithstanding, and the passage of which I ar instructed to ask concurrence of the House, to wit; Senate 178  83rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE Octcber 20, 1983 Bills #378 and 394. I am further directed to transmit to the House of Representatives copies οι the Governor's messages, action taken by the Senate, Cctober 20, 1983. Kenneth Wright, Secretary. A Message from the Senate by Mr. Wright, Secretary. Mr. Speaker, I am directed to inform the House of Representatives the Senate has accepted the Governor's specific recommendations for change which are attached to the Bills with the fcllowing title, the acceptance of which I am instructed to ask concurrence of the House, to wit; Senate Fills $22, 61, 66, 69, 97, 98, 128, 133, 147, 149, 151, 176, 187, 228, 247, 263, 286, 288, 304, 306, 316, 323, 403, 476, 462, 496, 512, 536, 571, 576, 582, 591, 598, 607, 619, 695, 697, 713, 740, 794, 811, 849, 864, 879, 906, 919, 942, 995, 996, 1025, 1033, 1056, 1070, 1111, 1123, 1127, 1157, 1174, 1195, 1218, 1239, 1260, 1269, 1301 and 1307. I am further directed to transmit to the House of Representatives the following copy of the Governor's specific recommendations for change to the Senate, action taken by the Senate, October 20, 1983. Kenneth Wright, Secretary. A Message from the Senate by Mr. Wright, Secretary. Mr. Speaker, 1 am directed to inform the House of Representatives the Senate has adopted the following Senate Joint Resclutions, and the adoption of which 1 am instructed to ask concurrence of the House cf Representatives, to wit; Senate Joint Resolutions #2349, 65, 66 and 68, adopted by the Senate, Cctober 20, 1983. Kenneth Wright, Secretary. No further business. The House now stands adjourned." 179  01/25/84 10:50 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES DAILY TRANSCRIPTION OF DEBATE INDEX OCTOBER 20, 1983 PAGE 1 HB-0021 VETO MESSAGE PAGE 38 HB-0041 VETO MESSAGE PAGE 42 HB-0186 VETO MESSAGE PAGE 3 HB-0234 VETO MESSAGE PAGE 43 HB-0307 VETO MESSAGE PAGE 110 HB-0312 VETO MESSAGE PAGE 27 HB-0406 VETO MESSAGE PAGE 5 HB-0417 VETO MESSAGE PAGE 46 HB-0556 CONFERENCE PAGE 116 HB-0561 VETO MESSAGE PAGE 47 HB-0579 VETO MESSAGE PAGE 11 HB-0645 VETO MESSAGE PAGE 104 HB-0730 VETO MESSAGE PAGE 124 HB-0731 VETO MESSAGE PAGE 30 HB-0743 VETO MESSAGE PAGE 128 HB-0775 VETO MESSAGE PAGE 106 HB-0814 VETO MESSAGE PAGE 12 HB-0833 VETO MESSAGE PAGE 55 HB-0842 VETO MESSAGE PAGE 55 HB-0929 VETO MESSAGE PAGE 13 HB-0932 VETO MESSAGE PAGE 102 HB-0933 VETO MESSAGE PAGE 57 HB-0946 VETO MESSAGE PAGE 14 HB-0975 VETO MESSAGE PAGE 107 HB-1023 VETO MESSAGE PAGE 164 HB-1032 VETO MESSAGE PAGE 61 HB-1067 VETO MESSAGE PAGE 63 HB-1121 VETO MESSAGE PAGE 6 HB-1208 VETO MESSAGE PAGE 66 HB-1223 VETO MESSAGE PAGE 16 HB-1262 VETO MESSAGE PAGE 18 HB-1339 VETO MESSAGE PAGE 7 HB-1371 VETO MESSAGE PAGE 64 HB-1382 VETO MESSAGE PAGE 166 HB-1500 VETO MESSAGE PAGE 157 HB-1500 VETO MESSAGE PAGE 172 HB-1613 THIRD READING PAGE 97 HB-1644 SECOND READING PAGE 150 HB-1644 THIRD READING PAGE 153 HB-1814 VETO MESSAGE PAGE 108 HB-1978 CONFERENCE PAGE 118 HB-1982 THIRD READING PAGE 97 HB-1995 VETO MESSAGE PAGE 34 HB-2012 VETO MESSAGE PAGE 35 HB-2019 VETO MESSAGE PAGE 10 HB-2072 CONFERENCE PAGE 155 HB-2218 VETO MESSAGE PAGE 19 HB-2281 RECALLED PAGE 69 HB  01/25/84 10:50 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES DAILY TRANSCRIPTION OF DEBATE INDEX OCTOBER 20, 1983 PAGE 2 HB-2314 THIRD READING PAGE 84 HB-2315 THIRD READING PAGE 120 HB-2316 THIRD READING PAGE 92 HB-2317 THIRD READING PAGE 93 HB-2318 THIRD READING PAGE 94 HB-2319 THIRD READING PAGE 121 HB-2320 THIRD READING PAGE 116 HB-2323 FIRST READING PAGE 1 HB-2324 FIRST READING PAGE 1 HB-2325 FIRST READING PAGE 1 HB-2326 FIRST READING PAGE 2 HB-2327 FIRST READING PAGE 176 SB-0189 THIRD READING PAGE 98 SB-0668 CONFERENCE PAGE 119 SB-1093 CONFERENCE PAGE 157 SB-1118 SECOND READING PAGE 134 SB-1118 THIRD READING PAGE 139 SB-1153 CONFERENCE PAGE 119 SB-1153 CONFERENCE PAGE 149 SB-1153 MOTION PAGE 123 SB-1206 THIRD READING PAGE 101 SB-1206 THIRD READING PAGE 109 SB-1206 OUT OF RECORD PAGE 102 SB-1309 FIRST READING PAGE 177 HR-0508 ADOPTED PAGE 176 HR-0508 RESOLUTION OFFERED PAGE 175 SJR-0035 ADOPTED PAGE 123 SJR-0070 ADOPTED PAGE 174 HOUSE TO ORDER SUBJECT MATTER REPRESENTATIVE MCPIKE PAGE 1 PRAYER FATHER ANTHONY TZORTZIS PAGE 1 PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE PAGE 1 ROLL CALL FOR ATTENDANCE PAGE 1 AGREED RESOLUTIONS PAGE 2 REPRESENTATIVE GREIMAN IN CHAIR PAGE 2 AGREED RESOLUTIONS PAGE 3 DEATH RESOLUTIONS PAGE 3 REPRESENTATIVE MATIJEVICE IN CHAIR PAGE 54 AGREED RESOLUTIONS PAGE 173 DEATH RESOLUTIONS PAGE 174 GENERAL RESOLUTION PAGE 174 ADJOURNMENT PAGE 176 PERFUNCTORY SESSION PAGE 176 MESSAGES FROM THE SENATE PAGE 176 PERFUNCTORY SESSION ADJOURNMENT PAGE 179