"The House will come to order. Members will be in their chairs. The House will come to order. The Chaplain for today will be the Reverend Elmer Fawler, Pastor of Third Baptist Church of Chicago. Reverend Fawler is a guest of Representative Howard Erookins. Will the guests in the balcony please rise and join us in the invocation?"
"Strong and of a good courage, be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed, for the Lord, your God, is with you. Let us pray. O God of our fathers, our help in ages past and our hope for years to come, our help and our hope in this present hour, in all reverence of mind and with humility of spirit, we lift our hearts. We lift our hearts unto Thee, seeking strength and wisdom from Your never failing and ever faithful presence. In this hour as we turn another page in the glorious history of our growing country, may we be strengthened with Your might by Your spirit that we may meet these demanding days with creative courage and become more a match for the mood of these troubled times. Bless the President of this House, the Speaker, each Representative. Bless those who are employed by our government and all those in our armed forces wherever they may be. Grant, that together, we may enter... we may leave this day with a deeper faith, a broader sympathy, a higher vision and with greater love. Keep ever before us the endless splendor of the world cleared of poverty, cleansed of prejudice and concerned with peace between men and nations. May we so live our lives, and so lead our people, so guide our state and nation that we may build on earth a better and a brighter brotherhood. In the spirit of Him who taught us to pray. Amen." 1 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 131st Legislative Day June 7, 1984
"Ee led in the Pledge of Allegiance by Representative Ropp."
"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
"Roll Call for Attendance. 115 Members answering the Roll Call, a quorum is present. Representative Fiel."
"Yes, Mr. Speaker. would the record show that Representative Neff is excused today?"
"Yes. Thank you. Representative Ropp, for what reason do you rise?"
"Mr. Speaker, I rise for the purpose of announcing the results of the 11th Annual Legislative Tennis and Racquetball Tournament."
"Proceed."
"If I could have your attention, I would like to announce that we have some real talent, as you all know, in the House, and the winner in the class E division last night was our newest Member, Margaret Farcells. Maggie, stand up and take a bow. Are you standing? Ckay. No, I'm not standing either. The runner-up was Representative Dave Harris, and others, who might I say, 'finished' this year, were Representative Pierce, White, Turner and Ropp. The runner-up and the highest we could get in the open division for racquetball was our own Robert Terzich. I don't know where Robert is, but I think we need to congratulate all of the participants, winners and also the Southern Illinois Economic Industrial Association for their sponsorship. Thank you all."
"Committee Reports."
"Representative Steczo, Chairman of the Committee on Counties and Townships, to which the following Bills 2 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 131st Legislative Day June 7, 1984 were referred, action taken June 6, 1984, reported the same back with the following recommendation: 'Do pass as amended' Senate Bill 1625. Representative Stuffle, Chairman of the Committee on Economic Recovery, to which the following Bills were referred, action taken June 7, 1984, reported the same back with the following recommendations: 'Do pass Consent Calendar' Senate Bill 1381; 'Interim Study' Senate Bill 1734; 'be adopted' House Resolution 848. Representative Van Duyne, Chairman of the Committee on Energy, Environment and Natural Resources, to which the following Bills were referred, action taken June 7, 1984, reported the same back with the following recommendations: 'Do pass' Senate Bill 1382; 'do pass as amended' Senate Bills 1939, 1940, 1941 and 1946; 'do pass Consent Calendar' Senate Bills 1862, 1938, 1944, 1953 and 1954; 'do pass as amended Consent Calendar' Senate Bill 1801; 'do pass Short Debate Calendar' Senate Bill 1943 and 1949; 'do pass as amended Short Debate Calendar' Senate Bills 1945, 1950 and 1951; and 'be adopted' House Resolutions 982, House Joint Resolutions 138 and House Joint Resolution 151. Representative Terzich, Chairman of the Committee on Executive, to which the following Bills were referred, action taken June 6, 1984, reported the same back with the following recommendations: 'Do pass as amended' Senate Bills 1612, 1743, 1857 and 1889; 'do pass as amended Short Debate' Senate Bills 1735, 1870 and 1881; 'do pass Consent Calendar' Senate Bills 1456, 1457, 1655 and 1659; 'be adopted' House Resolution 628 and 823. Representative Terzich, Chairman of the Committee on Executive, to which the following Bills were referred, action taken June 6, 1984, reported the same back with the following recommendations: 'Do pass as amended Senate Bills 1850 and 1864. Representative Farley, Chairman of 3 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 131st Legislative Day June 7, 1984 the Committee on Labor and Commerce, to which the following Bill was referred, action taken June 6, 1984, reported the same back with the following recommendation: "Do pass as amended" Senate Bill 1845; "do pass Short Debate Calendar" Senate Bill 1781. Representative Nash, Chairman of the Committee on Elections, to which the following Bills were referred, action taken June 6, 1984, reported the same back with the following recommendations: "Do pass as amended" Senate Bill 1217. Representative Iomico, Chairman of the Committee on Registration and Regulation, to which the following Bills were referred, action taken June 6, 1984, reported the same back with the following recommendations: "Do pass" Senate Bill 1644; "do pass Short Debate" Senate Bills 1401 and 1519; "do pass as amended Short Debate" Senate Bills 1618 and 1425; "do pass Consent Calendar" Senate Bill 1518. Representative Mautino, Chairman of the Committee on... Select Committee on Small Businesses, to which the following Bills were referred, action taken June 6, 1984, reported the same back with the following recommendations: "Do pass" Senate Bill 1470; "do pass Consent Calendar" Senate Bill 1602. Representative Currie, Chairman of the Committee on World's Fair, to which the following Bill was referred, action taken June 7, 1984, reported the same back with the following recommendation: "Do pass as amended" Senate Bill 1522."
"Alright. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, the Clerk is compiling a list for a Supplemental Calendar of Motions that you might have with respect to the discharge of Bills, so that if you are... if it is your intention to file such Motions, I suggest that you file them quickly in the next few minutes; otherwise, we will have to cut that off. Alright, so at 1:30, which is 15 minutes from now, that will be a cutoff time. If the 4 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 131st Legislative Day June 7, 1984 Motions have not been filed, then they will not appear on our Supplemental Calendar, and they will not be considered today. Thank you. Committee Reports."
"Representative Bowman, Chairman of the Committee on Appropriations II, to which the following Bill was referred, action taken June 7, 1984, reported the same back with the following recommendation: 'Do pass as amended' Senate Bill 1569."
"For what purpose does the Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Bowman, seek recognition?"
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I just... Checking with the Minority Spokesman. We'd like leave of the House to suspend the appropriate rule so that when it appears on the Supplemental Calendar First Legislative Day today, that that qualifies as First Legislative Day, if that's the appropriate Motion."
"Alright, Mr. Bowman, the Gentleman from Cook, asks leave of the House to suspend Rule 35(a) so that... so that Senate Bill 1569 may appear on today's Supplemental Calendar and that will be deemed a First... a Second Reading First Legislative Day and will appear on the Calendar on Second Reading on the next business day. Does the Gentleman have leave? The Gentleman has leave, and it is so ordered."
"Thank you."
"Alright. Alright. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, on page three of the Calendar appears Senate Bills Second Reading, Short Debate Calendar, and on that Order appears Senate Bill 835. Mr. McGann, do you wish to proceed? 835. Out of the record. On the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading, Short Debate appears Senate Bill 1385. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"Senate Bill 1385, a Bill for an Act to amend the 5 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 131st Legislative Day June 7, 1984 Illinois Income Tax Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #1, Currie - Greiman, amends Senate Bill 1385 on page four and so forth."
"The Lady from Cook, Ms. Currie. Ms. Currie, the Chair recognizes you on Amendment #1 to Senate Bill 1385. Ladies and Gentlemen, give the lady your attention, please."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. This is a simple, straightforward proposition. The issue in the underlying Bill is to decouple Illinois state tax policy from changes that are made at the federal level. The underlying Bill makes excellent sense. The proposal in Amendment #1 is to decouple some other tax changes as between the Federal Government's decisions and our own. I would urge support for Amendment 1, and I'm happy to answer questions."
"The Lady from Cook moves for the adoption of Amendment 1 to House Bill... to Senate Bill 1385, and on that, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Fiel."
"First of all, a question of the Clerk. Has this been printed and distributed? We have 2, but we don't have 1."
"Apparently, Mr. Fiel, 1 has not been distributed... printed and distributed, so with leave of the Sponsor, we'll take this cut of the record at this time."
"Thank you."
"On the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading, Short Debate, appears Senate Bill 1399, Mr. Klemm. Out of the record. On that Order of Business appears Senate Bill 1459, Mr. Keane. Mr. Keane. Cut of the record. On the 6 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 131st Legislative Day June 7, 1984 Order of Senate Bills Second Reading, Short Debate, appears Senate Bill 1607. 1607, out of the record. On that Order of Business appears Senate Bill 1714. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"Senate Bill 1714, a Bill for an Act in relationship to proper licensing of persons operating school buses. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #1, Steczo, amends Senate Bill 1714 on page one and so forth."
"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Steczo."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. Amendment #1 to Senate Bill 14 (sic - 1714) increases the school bus driver permit in Cook County from two dollars to four dollars. This is... This Amendment is a duplicate of a House Bill that passed out this House unanimously, and I would move for the adoption of Amendment #1."
"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Steczo, moves for the adoption of Amendment 1 to Senate Bill 1714. Is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall this Amendment be adopted?' All in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading, with leave of the Bill to remain on Short Debate. On the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading, Short Debate, appears Senate Bill 187... appears Senate Bill 1876. Mr. Vinson, do you wish to proceed with that Bill?"
"Mr. Speaker, would you leave that Bill on Second Reading?"
"Alright. Take it out of the record. On the 7 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 131st Legislative Day June 7, 1984 Order of Senate Bills Second Reading, Short Debate, appears Senate Bill 1879. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"Senate Bill 1879, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Public Aid Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #1, Vinson, amends Senate Bill 1879..."
"The Gentleman from DeWitt, Mr. Vinson."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Assembly. Amendment #1 to Senate Bill 1879 allows an increase in the amount paid by the Department of Public Aid to funeral directors and permits an increase in the amount paid for burial expenses by the Department. The cost of funerals is substantially higher than what this Amendment would permit. But this Amendment does, to some extent, begin to close the gap, and I would ask for favorable adoption of Amendment #1 to Senate Bill 1879."
"The Gentleman from DeWitt has moved for the adoption of Amendment 1 to Senate Bill 1879, and on that, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall this Amendment be adopted?' All in favor say 'aye', those opposed say "no". In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendment?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. On the... On the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading... With leave... With leave on 1879 to remain on the Order of Short Debate. On the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading, Short Debate, appears Senate Bill 1957. Mr. Friedrich, do you wish to proceed with that Bill?"
"No, Mr. Speaker, I agreed to let the Majority Party 8 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 131st Legislative Day June 7, 1984 look it over over the weekend. Thank you. I want to take it out of the record."
"Out of the record. Okay. Alright. On page four of the Calendar, Senate Bills Second Reading appears Senate Bill 1395. Mr. McGann, are you prepared to go forward with that? 1395. Out of the record. On Senate Bills Second Reading appears Senate Bill 1424. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"Senate Bill 1424, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act in relationship to certain criminal offenses. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Are there any Motions?"
"No Motions filed."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #2, Johnson, amends Senate Bill 1424 on page one and so forth."
"The Gentleman from Champaign, Mr. Johnson. The Gentleman asks to withdraw Amendment #2 to Senate Bill 1424. Further Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #3, Hawkinson, amends Senate Bill 1424 on page four and so forth."
"The Gentleman from Knox, Mr. Hawkinson."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'd like leave to withdraw Amendment #3."
"Leave is granted. Amendment #3 to... Senate Bill 1424 is withdrawn. Further Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #4, Hawkinson, amends Senate Bill 1424."
"The Gentleman from Knox, Mr. Hawkinson."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Amendment #4 attempts to remove some vague language from the Section defining 'family member'. The language being, 'but is not limited 9 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 131st Legislative Day June 7, 1984 to', and instead of that language adds the word, 'a stepgrandparent, stepparent or stepchild'. I believe that this Amendment is acceptable to the Sponsor, and if that's the case, I would move the adoption."
"The Gentleman from Kncx moves for the adoption of Amendment 4 to Senate Eill 1424. Is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Jaffe."
"Yes, Mr. Speaker, this is an agreed Amenduent, and I would urge its adoption."
"Further discussion? There being none, the question is, *Shall Amendment 4 be adopted?' All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', those CEEosed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendment?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Beading. On the Crder of Senate Bills Second Reading appears Senate Eill 1538. Out of the record. 16... Out of the record. On the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading appears Senate Bill 1692. Mr. Cullerton, do you wish to proceed? Out of the record. Cn the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading appears Senate Bill 1708. Out of the... Out of the record. Alright. Cn the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading appears Senate Bill 1708. Mr. Clerk, read the Eill."
"Senate Bill 1708, a Bill fcr an Act to amend Sections of an Act to revise the law in relationship to clerks of the courts. Second Reading of the Bill. Arendment #1 was adopted in Committee."
"Any Motions?"
"No Mations filed."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #2, Giorgi, amends Senate Bill 1708 on page one and so forth." 10 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 131st Legislative Day June 7, 1984
"The Gentleman from Winnebago, Mr. Giorgi, on Amendment #2."
"Mr. Speaker, all this does is make this Bill conform to the House Bill that went out of the House into the Senate and excludes counties of over 1,000,000 from the Act. I urge support of the Amendment."
"The Gentleman from Winnebago moves for adoption of Amendment 2 to Senate Bill 1708, and on that, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Steczo."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I accept the Amendment."
"Further discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall this Amendment be adopted?' All in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendment?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. Page four of the Calendar, on the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading appears Senate Bill 1746, Mr. Hoffman. Mr. Hoffman with us? Out of the record. On the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading appears Senate Bill 1746... 1747, Mr. Hoffman. Out of the record. On the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading appears Senate Bill 1811. Out of the record. On the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading appears Senate Bill 1841. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"Senate Bill 1841, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act in relationship to parole. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #1, Nash - Keane, amends Senate Bill 1841 on page one and so forth."
"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Nash, on Amendment #1." 11 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 131st Legislative Day June 7, 1984
"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, Amendment #1 to Senate Bill 1841, it's the good portion of House Bill 2702 that went down because an Amendment was put on with the graffiti on it. It amends the Unified... All it does, it amends the Unified Code of Corrections to add a new statutory aggravating factor in sentencing with regard to an offender who has committed a felony while on bail or on probation for a prior crime. I move for its adoption."
"The Gentleman from Cook moves for the adoption of Amendment #1 to Senate Bill 1841. Is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Piel."
"Question, Mr. Speaker. Has this Amendment been printed and distributed?"
"Mr... Mr. Piel, I'm glad you asked that. Apparently it has not been printed and distributed, so that the... I assume that Mr. Keane, who is the Sponsor, will ask that that be taken out of the record. Is that right? Mr. Keane."
"I would like to consider further Amendments. Take that Amendment ut of the record, because there are other Amendments. I'd like to amend the Bill up and move it to Third today. I withdraw Amendment #1."
"Alright. Amendment #1 will be withdrawn. Why don't we find out whether the other Amendments have been printed and distributed here? Alright. Amendment #1 is withdrawn. Further Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #2, O'Connell, amends Senate Bill 1841 on page one..."
"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. O'Connell."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Amendment #2 addresses the problem of school zone traffic violations. It eliminates the discretion within a Judge to issue a sentence of supervision for persons 12 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 131st Legislative Day June 7, 1984 convicted of operating a school bus without meeting a driver license requirement, that is, they have to be over 21 years old and at least one year of driving experience. And it also eliminates the option of supervision if one is convicted of speeding in a school zone. I'd ask for its favorable adoption."
"The Gentleman from Cook moves for the adoption of Amendment 2 to Senate Bill 1841. Or that, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall this Amendment be adopted?' All in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendment?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. Returning now to page three of your Calendar, a Bill that we called while the Sponsor was off the floor, Senate Bills Second Reading, Short Debate Calendar. On that Order appears Senate Bill 1399. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill. Yes, Mr. Hallock, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"
"No, it's my Amendment."
"Oh, alright. Proceed, Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"Senate Bill 1399, a Bill for an Act concerning the McHenry County Conservation District. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted previously."
"Any further Amendments? What was that adopted in Committee, Mr. Clerk? What was that adopted in the... in Committee?"
"Floor Amendment #2, Hallock, amends Senate Bill 1399 on page one and so forth."
"The Gentleman from Winnebago, Mr. Hallock."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. This is 13 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 131st Legislative Day June 7, 1984 a mere conveyance Bill. It conveys 40 acres of Conservation District land for 40 acres privately owned. The acres are in the middle of the lake, and I'll speak to that in a moment. But first, I want to withdraw Amendment #2 which is defective."
"The Gentleman withdraws Amendment #2. Further Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #3, Hallock, amends Senate Bill 1399..."
"The Gentleman from Winnebago, Mr. Hallock."
"Amendment #3 does the same as #2 which I've just withdrawn. #2 was technically defective because the Bill had been amended. So, it does the exact same thing as #2, and I ask for its support."
"The Gentleman from Winnebago moves for adoption of Amendment 3 to Senate Bill 1399. Is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Cullerton."
"Yes, as I understand the Amendments, they have the legal descriptions right in the Amendment. Is that correct? And how about an appraisal?"
"Pardon me. I didn't hear."
"We're swapping some land with a guy named John 'Dean'."
"Right. Yeah. This is not state property. This is not state property. There are... This is Conservation District land, about 40 acres in a lake being swapped for 40 acres in that same lake owned by a fellow named John 'Dean'. It's not state land."
"Now he's not the same John 'Dean' from the Watergate fame, is he?"
"Not as far as I know."
"But you're not positive that it's not."
"No, I am positive it's not..." 14 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 131st Legislative Day June 7, 1984
"Okay. Just out of curiosity, are these... are the two 40 acre sections of equal value approximately..."
"Yes, they are. The appraisal on both pieces of land within this lake are 30,000 each, and that's a swap. Both own about 40 acres within this lake. The problem has arisen because the land owner, in order to get to his part of the lake, has to trespass on the Conservation District's part of the lake and vice versa. Because of that, some people in the area thought it would be a good idea just to trade that land. The Putnam County Conservation District has gone in favor of that transfer on a 4 to 1 vote, and that's why the Amendment is here today."
"And how do you pronounce the name of the lake?"
"I had tried to avoid that. I think it's pronounced "Sentchowein", but I'm not really sure. The Indians aren't here to give me a better translation."
"But it's spelled 'Sen', so why would you say 'Sentchowein'?"
"Well, I guess that's the... The Indians who lived in that part of the state had that kind of pronunciation with it."
"Fine. Thank you."
"The Indians were here first, by the way, because they had reservations."
"You don't need a reservation."
"Further discussion? The Lady from LaSalle, Ms. Breslin."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen. I rise in opposition to this Amendment, and I ask for a Roll Call on it, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen, the Gentleman has moved for the transfer of property, not in his district, but in my district. It is 40 acres of park conservation land owned in my district, and they are 15 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 131st Legislative Day June 7, 1984 constituents who live in my district. It is a very controversial piece of legislation. I stand in opposition, as do the people in my legislative district. I ask for a 'no' vote."
"Further discussion? The Gentleman from Bureau, Mr. Mautino."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. We have... We have a problem here, but I think some additional information is necessary. First of all, and I should have contacted Representative Breslin as of this morning, but I didn't. An agreement has been signed and authorized by the court with the transfer of the 40 acres from John 'Dean' and David 'Haskins' and the Putnam County Conservation District. The vote by which the Conservation District accepted this agreement, which included the court determination that access was to be allowed, has been accepted now by both the Conservation Districts... District and the individuals involved. The individual who is opposed to this, Mr. 'Brennen', is still opposed, but the attorney in question cannot be involved in this because he is the attorney for the Conservation District. I understand full well what Mr. Hallock is doing, and because the agreement has already been signed for the easement, the property has been accepted both ways. I would recommend an 'aye' vote on this question."
"Further discussion? Yes, for what purpose does the Lady from LaSalle seek recognition, Ms. Breslin?"
"In light of the last representation to this Committee, and since it involves property in my district and my constituents, I would appreciate it if the Sponsor of this legislation would take this Amendment or the Bill out of the record at this time and consult with me on it first."
"Mr. Hallock, the Sponsor of the Amendment." 16 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 131st Legislative Day June 7, 1984
"Well, I'll be happy to do that. We have consulted on many occasions. I thought we had this resolved, but I'll be happy to do that now and ask that we come back to it in a few minutes."
"Alright. Mr. Klemm, we'll take that out of the record? Alright. Alright. On page three of the Calendar, Senate Bills Second Reading, Short Debate, appears Senate Bill 1459. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"Senate Bill 1459, a Bill for an Act to amend the Inheritance and Transfer Tax Law. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Are there Floor Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #1, Ewing, amends Senate Bill 1459."
"The Gentleman from Livingston, Mr. Ewing."
"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, this Bill amends the proper Section of the statute dealing with a former inheritance tax, and we earlier, in this Body, had put on a House Bill a provision which allows for a parent who does not have an adverse interest to make an election and sign an agreement to allow for a minor child to take advantage of the special use provisions of the Federal Inheritance... Federal Estate Tax Law. This is a similar Amendment, the same Amendment, and I would ask for your favorable approval of the Amendment."
"The Gentleman from Livingston moves for the adoption of Amendment 1 to Senate Bill 1459. Any discussion? Mr. Cullerton, the Gentleman from Cook."
"Yes, would the Sponsor yield?"
"Indicates he'll yield for a question."
"Could you just explain to me when the valuation of property is important? I mean why is it significant? Under what circumstances..." 17 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 131st Legislative Day June 7, 1984
"Under Section "20-32(a)", it provides for farms and small businesses that are family held to be... have a special valuation for federal estate tax purposes. Now, we do the same thing under the Illinois Estate Tax Law. But this... Some of the federal agents have said that a parent cannot sign for a minor child unless local law gives them that authority. So we are trying to put that authority right in our law, so that the IRS agents will accept that a parent..."
"You mean they require a minor child to sign right now, himself?"
"No. No. They have, in the past, allowed a parent to sign. Now in some jurisdictions, they are challenging a parent to sign unless he's been officially appointed a guardian and has court authority to sign."
"Why is... Why is that so inconvenient to do that? Why... Why change it so they don't need to have the court approval?"
"Well, in... in your own county it would be very time consuming if not impossible to get that guardianship even done prior to the time that the return has to be filed."
"Fine. Thank you."
"This is supported by the Bar Association and the Farm Bureau."
"Have you concluded your remarks, Mr. Cullerton."
"Yes. Thank you."
"Alright. Further discussion? Being none, the question is, 'Shall this Amendment be adopted?' All in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments." 18 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 131st Legislative Day June 7, 1984
"Third Reading. Leave of the House for the Bill to remain on the Order of Short Debate on Third Reading. Leave. On page seven of the Calendar, on the Order of Consent Calendar Third Reading. This is final action, final action on the Consent Calendar. Mr. Clerk, read the Bills."
"Senate Bill 1705, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Coal Technology Development Assistance Act. Third Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 1728, a Bill for an Act to amend the Park District Code. Third Reading of the Bill. And Senate Bill 1824, a Bill for an Act to amend the Revenue Act. Third Reading of the Bill."
"The question is, 'Shall these Bills pass?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk... Mr. Clerk, take the record. On these Bills, there are 108 voting 'aye', none voting 'no', 3 voting 'present', and these Bills, having received a Constitutional Majority, are hereby declared passed. The Gentleman from Lake, Mr. Matijevich, on the Adjournment Resolution. Mr. Matijevich. The Clerk... Mr. Clerk."
"Senate Joint Resolution #120. Resolved, by the Senate of the 83rd General Assembly of the State of Illinois, the House of Representatives concurring herein, that when the Senate adjourns on Thursday, June 7th, 1984, it stands adjourned until Tuesday, June 12th, 1984, at 1:00 p.m.; and when the House of Representatives adjourns on Thursday, June 7th, 1984, it stands adjourned until Tuesday, June 12th, 1984, at 12:00 noon."
"Mr. Matijevich."
"Speaker, I move the adoption of Senate Joint Resolution #120." 19 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 131st Legislative Day June 7, 1984
"Mr. Matijevich, the Gentleman from Lake, moves for the adoption of the Adjournment Resolution. All in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Resolution is adopted. Ladies and Gentlemen, we are going to go to the Order of Agreed Resolutions. That usually signals the moment before adjournment. We are not, however, adjourning. We are waiting for a Supplemental Calendar with the various discharge Motions to be printed and distributed. So, as we go to the Agreed Resolutions, please remain in the chamber. Mr. Clerk, Agreed Resolutions."
"Senate Joint Resolution 119, Hensel; House Joint Resolution 160, DiFrima; House Resolution 130 (sic - 1030), McPike; and House Resolution 132 (sic - 1032), Rice - Shaw."
"The Gentleman from Winnebago, Mr. Giorgi."
"Mr. Chairman (sic - Speaker), House Resolution 1030, by McPike, honors the baseball champion; 1032, by Rice, honors an exceptionally... student; Senate Joint Resolution 119, by Hensel, celebrates the 5th Annual Pfizer Day in Illinois; 160, DiFrima, honors the John... Joseph R. Leoni, who's been elected Commander of the Combined Veterans Association of Illinois. I move for the adoption of the Agreed Resolutions."
"The Gentleman from Winnebago has moved for the adoption of the Agreed Resolutions. All in favor signify by... Yes, Mr. Ropp, you wish to debate the Agreed Resolutions?"
"No, Mr. Speaker. I'm... I'm looking on behalf of the person who has to write all of these recordings, and I'm wondering how that person's going to write whatever was just said." 20 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 131st Legislative Day June 7, 1984
"Well, there are mysterious ways, I suppose, in transcription, but they've never complained. Mr. Giorgi has passed an incredible amount of legislation. All of it good."
"That's what I'm afraid of."
"All in favor of the adoption of the Agreed Resolutions signify by saying 'aye', those opposed "no". In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Agreed Resolutions are adopted. General Resolutions."
"House Resolution 1031, Younge."
"Committee on Assignment. Alright. Ladies and Gentlemen, on Supplemental Calendar #1, Order of Business - Motions appears Senate Bill 1223. Mr. Clerk. The Gentleman from DuPage, Mr. Hoffman's Motion."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I move that Senate Bill 1223 be... I move that the Personnel and Pensions Committee be discharged from consideration of Senate Bill 1223 and that it be placed on the Order of Second Reading First Legislative Day. This Bill was heard yesterday in Pensions and Personnel. Since that time, the Chairman and the Minority Spokesman and the interested parties have agreed upon a Resolution to the... the disagreement on... which we can accomplish on Second Reading, and I would move that the Committee be discharged from Senate Bill 1223."
"The Gentleman from DuPage, Mr. Hoffman, moves that Senate Bill 1223 be discharged by... from the Committee on Personnel and Pensions and advanced to the Order of Second Reading First Legislative Day. On that, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Madison, Mr. Wolf."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. I rise to support the Gentleman's Motion. He is exactly correct 21 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENEBAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEВАТЕ 131st Legislative Day June 7, 1984 in that there has been an agreement made with respect to an Amendment that will be placed cn the Bill in Second Reading, placing it in a posture that will be acceptable to all parties and address the problem of the funding of the retirement systems. I would reguest your support."
"Further discussion? There being none, the question is, "Shall this Motion pass?" All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no". Voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Eave all voted whc wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Motion, there are 105 voting 'aye', none voting 'no', none voting 'present', and the Motion passes. On the Order of... On Supplemental Calendar #1, Mctions appears Senate Bill 1685, the Gentleman from Cook, Mr. McGann."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the Assembly. I move to discharge the Elementary and Secondary Education Committee and advance to Second Reading First Legislative Day, Senate Bill 1685.. Now let me place the scenario before you, Members of the Assembly. Cn... A week ago yesterday, Wednesday, I appeared before the Committee, and I had my Bill heard. And I had a 'do pass' Motion, and the Chairman informed me that unfcrtunately they had not received the Bill in their hands and also for the Members of the Committee. This very fine Committee asked me to come back the next following week. That was yesterday. Yesterday morning I was in Revenue, and I was tied up in Revenue Committee because it was Chairman Fierce's last day. And he had a very important Eill, and he needed the votes. My Cosponsor, hyphenated Sponsor, Representative Younge, who's a Member of the Committee, as a last ditch effort, attempted to have the Eill heard, but there really weren't that many Members because it was the last Fill. So I don't think we've been given full consideration despite 22 131st Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 7, 1984 the efforts of the Committee, and I would appreciate your vote to discharge this good Committee and bring it to the House floor. Thank you."
"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. McGann, moves to discharge the Committee on Elementary and Secondary Education from further consideration of Senate Bill 1685 and advance to the Order... the Bill to the Order of Second Reading First Legislative Day. On that, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Mulcahey. I'm sorry. The Gentleman from Winnebago, Mr. Mulcahey."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, most of you have probably been called out to the rail today and lobbied against this particular Motion. I just want to point out that the Bill did get a hearing in Committee, but unfortunately there were only about six or seven Members left. Now, if you want to call that a fair hearing, so be it. I don't know what this is a vehicle for. I don't really care, and I'm not even talking about the merits of the Bill itself. I just want to point out that... that Representative McGann did show up. The Bill was heard but the Membership was not there. I'm going to support the Motion so that he can have a decent hearing on this particular Bill. Even if the Members there would have all voted 'aye', the Bill would never even come close. I'm a little bit tired too, Mr. Speaker, about... with the people, the powers to be, who are twisting arms and being... and throwing a little distorted view on... on this particular Bill. They're using the excuse, well, the Bill got a hearing. Well, it did get a hearing, but there were not enough Members there to even take a decent vote; therefore, I'm supporting Representative McGann on his Motion."
"Further discussion? The Lady from DuPage, Ms. 23 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 131st Legislative Day June 7, 1984 Nelson:
"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I have a question for the Sponsor."
"Indicates he'll yield for a question."
"Representative McGann, I was in the Committee both days for the full length of time. I realize that your Bill was not available and was not printed the first day that our Committee met and that you were not able to be there the second day, but the Bill did have quite a lengthy discussion, and the vote was 4 'yes', 5 'no'. One of the reasons for that was that there was some apprehension on the part of Members of the Committee that the Bill might, in fact, be a vehicle. Would you assure me that this Bill will not be amended?"
"To my... To my knowledge, I have no knowledge of it being as a vehicle. This Bill here is what it says it is, and it's mainly really for the people in the City of Chicago or any other city that have school strikes so that the students are not penalized. That's as simple as that."
"And you have no intention, then, of amending it on the floor?"
"I have no intention. No. No. I mean... I answered the question as it was asked of me. I... The answer is no."
"Thank you. To the Bill, Mr. Speaker. That was one of the objections in Committee, and the other problem with the Bill was testimony in Committee from the IEA and other groups interested in seeing that strikes be settled in Chicago. As it is, if there's some danger of children not graduating, some of the pressure remains on both the Board of Education and the Teachers' Union to settle those strikes rather than to draw them out week after week, and those were some of the issues raised in Committee."
"Further discussion? The Gentleman from 24 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 131st Legislative Day June 7, 1984 Kendall, Mr. Hastert."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Would the Sponsor of the Motion yield?"
"Indicates that he'll yield for questions."
"Just to follow up. If this is not a vehicle Bill, I appreciate Representative McGann's word. I know Representative McGann is a man of his word. Do you also intend to stay in control of the Bill, Representative McGann, if this Bill comes on the floor?"
"Yes, I... I'm the Sponsor of the Bill. It's Senator Savickas' Bill, but I'm handling it here in the House."
"Right. So it's your intention, then, to stay in control of the Bill and not to use this Bill or accept any Amendments on the floor. Is that correct?"
"That's... As Sponsor of the Bill, no, I will not. No."
"You would not accept any Amendments. Thank you, Sir."
"Further discussion? The Lady from Champaign, Ms. Satterthwaite."
"Will the Sponsor yield for a question, please? Representative..."
"Indicates he will."
"Representative McGann, although you were not able to be in Committee earlier this week, there was, in fact as one of the previous Members suggested, a thorough discussion of the Bill. And during that time, it was determined that, in fact, this might give additional prohibition and restriction on superintendents of school districts that they do not currently have, that they now have authority to make exemption for specific students who need to have special treatment at the end of the year in graduating. And, in fact, we may even be limiting them more than they currently are limited. Would it be your desire to limit the superintendents in giving special 25 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 131st Legislative Day June 7, 1984 consideration to student needs?"
"No. I... I would not want to limit the school superintendents in any way, but I do believe we should have some legislative... intent of exactly... They have a parameter to work within. And... We do have this problem up in Chicago, and I think this has got to be taken into consideration. Maybe downstate we don't have... I understand there was a school strike here some time ago in Springfield, but that's what we're after, just to make sure that..."
"Well, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, in... in opposition to the Motion to discharge from Committee. If you believe in the Committee system at all, then we should give some strength to the Committees and to the decisions that are made in Committee. The decision was made in Committee on this Bill that it was not necessary to have this legislation in order to take care of the purpose that the Sponsor indicates the legislation is intended for, and so I really see no need for the Bill, even in its current form, let alone the possibility of any amended form, to be something that we need to handle during this part of the legislative Session. And I urge a 'no' vote on the Motion to discharge Committee."
"Further discussion? Mr. Hoffman."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I, too, rise in opposition to this discharge Motion. I think it should be opposed for two reasons: one, on the face of the Bill; and, the other on what may become the face of the Bill. I think that both of these positions, the position that is in the Bill at the present time, I agree with the previous Speaker and the Chairman of the Committee completely on their statements and their reactions. I also have some concerns that have been 26 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 131st Legislative Day June 7, 1984 alluded to by some of the questions that have been raised by the Members. The most important question has not been asked the Sponsor of this Bill, and I'm not going to ask it. However, the most important question to ask the Sponsor of the Bill in terms of what may be behind the veil is, will he table this Bill if it is amended? I'm not going to ask him that question, but it is an important consideration. I think for the orderly operation of this House and the orderly functioning of the Committee system as well as the orderly operation of local school districts that this Bill should not be discharged."
"Further discussion? Gentleman from Rock Island, Mr. Brunsvold."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would rise in opposition to the Motion to discharge from Committee. In Committee the Bill did get a fair hearing. It was discussed as Representative Satterthwaite and Representative Nelson has indicated... that this Bill really in effect does not do anything because the school boards have the option to do this anyway at present. So I see no need for the Bill and would urge a "no" vote."
"Further discussion? Mr. Kulas, the Gentleman from Cook."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I rise in support of the Gentleman's Motion to discharge Committee. What are we scared of? All Bills are vehicles. Every single Member in this House can attach an Amendment to a... to a Bill. The Gentleman didn't have a chance to have his Bill heard in Committee, and we should bring that Bill out on the House floor and have that Bill heard. It's a good Bill, and it should be heard on the House. And I would recommend an 'aye' vote."
"Further discussion? The Gentleman from McLean, 27 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 131st Legislative Day June 7, 1984
Mr. Ropp. Ropp: "Yes, Mr. Speaker, I guess first of all a parliamentary procedure question and then maybe a comment. In these Committees, as this one so is, where a quorum was not apparent present, should the posture of either the Chairman of our House rule be that those Committees ought to be adjourned? Because, if there's no quorum initially, any Sponsor would never have the option of ever having a Bill passed anyway. And I think this is... His primary question is that there just were not enough people present in that Committee to get him a majority of those in the Committee. Is there a..."
"Well, Mr. Ropp, there's no actual justiciable issue upon which the Chair can rule based on your question. One of the things one has to do under our rules is to secure a majority of the Members of the Committee, and that's what our rules say. And to go... For the Chair to give an advisory opinion beyond that would be presumptive of the Chair."
"Well, does the Sponsor of a Bill, on those particular occasions, have the option to call for a quorum of the Committee which, if it was not present, the Committee would have to adjourn?"
"Alright. Well, I think anybody has that option to call for it. That's not the case in this situation. No one has suggested that... that whether there was a quorum or not or whether Mr. McGann called for the quorum, asked for the quorum, so that it's... it's speculative, and the Chair likes to only deal with real problems and not problems that could happen. Otherwise we'd be here a long time. Proceed on the Motion."
"Okay. I guess... I guess I thought maybe it was a real problem because oftentimes these are always the issues that 28 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 131st Legislative Day June 7, 1984 if I had enough Members of the Committee I would have passed the Bill and apparently that happens a number of times. On this particular issue I guess it's a little bit unclear as to whether or not the 30 days includes 30 actual school days or 30 calendar days, and maybe the Sponsor could answer that. And I guess the other question would be that, is this not a precedence that sometime a strike might include a whole year and you'd have your whole graduating senior class receive a diploma without ever having gone to school?"
"Being no further discussion, the Gentleman from Cook, Mr. McGann, to close."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the Assembly. I'd like to answer Representative Ropp's question before I close. The intent of the Bill is 30 calendar days, and as far as the second part of your question... being on a strike for a whole year, I don't think we'd ever see that in the State of Illinois because I don't think that this Assembly would ever allow that to happen. So I think we would be stretching it very far to give a comment on that latter part of your question. In closing, Mr. Speaker and Members of this Assembly, I was in good intentions appearing at the first hearing of this Bill, Senate Bill 1685. I came in good faith. I presented my Bill. The Bill was heard. A 'do pass' Motion was made, and the Chairman informed me that the Members of the Committee did not have a copy of the Bill and graciously asked me if I would return the following week. I did not have an opportunity for a fair hearing, as was stated by the Chairman, Representative Mulcahey. He stated very clearly I didn't have a fair hearing, and that's why I'm asking your support to eliminate the Committee for now and bring it on to the floor. And then let it all have its full 29 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 131st Legislative Day June 7, 1984 discussion. I can back up anything I have stated here, and I thank you for your support."
"The question is, "Shall this Motion pass?" All in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Motion, there are 51 voting 'aye', 51 voting 'no', 3 'present', and the Motions fails. On Supplemental Calendar #1, Order of Motions appears Senate Bill 1848. The Gentleman from Kendall, Mr. Hastert."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would ask leave of the House to withdraw the Motion."
"The Motion will be withdrawn."
"Mr. Speaker, I would also like leave then to put that Bill on Interim Study if possible."
"The Gentleman asks leave to place Senate Bill 1848 on the Interim Study Calendar of the Committee on Labor and Commerce. Does the Gentleman have leave? The Gentleman has leave. On Supplemental Calendar #2 under the Order of Motions appears Senate Bill 1875. Alright. We'll just hold this Order of Business for a moment. While we're somewhat at ease, at the rear of the chamber is Tim Bell, a former Member of the House, on the Democratic side. Perhaps if he were always on this side, he would have stayed here. The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Cullerton, on a Motion."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Pursuant to Rule 43(a), I would move to bypass Committee and place House Joint Resolution 158 on the Speaker's Table for immediate consideration. The Resolution establishes a Joint Committee to prepare the arguments both pro and con to House Joint Resolution Constitutional Amendment #2 which is the proposed veterans' 30 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 131st Legislative Day June 7, 1984 property tax exemption Amendment. The text of these arguments must be submitted to the voters along with the proposed Amendment during the November election. Under the Resolution, each of the four legislative Leaders appoint two members to the Committee. The Committee is required to submit the text of its arguments by June 25th for approval by both Houses. This deadline was set to accommodate the Secretary of State's Office. So I would move pursuant to the Rule 43(a) to bypass Committee and place this House Joint Resolution on the Speaker's Table for immediate consideration."
"Mr. Cullerton, the Gentleman from Cook, moves to advance House Joint Resolution 158 to the Speaker's Table without reference to Committee and for immediate consideration. And on that, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from DeWitt, Mr. Vinson."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House."
"Excuse me, Mr. Vinson. Ladies and Gentlemen, let us give the Gentleman your attention. If we could break up the cabal in the center aisle there in the rear, we'd appreciate it. Mr. Vinson, you also have a cabal there. You might ask them to quiet down on your... your stage right. Proceed, Mr. Vinson."
"I have requested that they decatalize. Mr. Speaker, I rise in support of the Gentleman's Motion which is necessary for us to in a timely fashion discharge our Constitutional responsibility to provide the arguments that have to accompany the referendum and would urge support of the Motion."
"Further discussion? There being none, does the Gentleman have leave for use of the Attendance Roll Call to advance HJR 158 to the Speaker's Table without reference 31 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 131st Legislative Day June 7, 1984 Calendar #2. On the Order of Motions appears Senate Bill 1875, Mr. Countryman, the Gentleman from DeKalt."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I move to discharge from the Committee on Higher Education and advance to the Order of the Second Reading, Senate Bill 1875. By way of explanation, let me say that Senate Bill 1875 came out of Rules on Tuesday. We had confusion yesterday morning as to what Committee it was going to be heard in. The posting requirements were waived, and it was heard at a... at a hastily convened meeting of the Higher Education Committee yesterday afternoon. And I believe that in all that haste and the fact that Members were walking in and out of the Committee that they didn't have a fair opportunity to all hear about the Bill, and that it's a good Bill. And it should be heard and moved to the Order of Second Reading. It's a Bill dealing with the Department of Commerce and Community affairs allowing them to make grants to small businesses and universities for purposes of research and development of new products in Illinois. And for that reason, it's a solid Bill. It'll help economic development in the State of Illinois. It'll help the universities growth. It'll combine in partnership the research activities of the universities with the economic development of Illinois, and I believe there were substantial misunderstandings about the Bill at the time in the Committee. It did have 5 affirmative votes, 3 negative votes and 3 present votes, and I would ask for your support of this fine Bill."
"The Gentleman from DeKalk, Mr. Countryman, moves to discharge the Committee on Higher Education from further consideration of Senate Bill 1875 and advance the Bill to the Order of Second Reading First Legislative Day. And on that, is there any discussion? The Lady from 33 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 131st Legislative Day June 7, 1984 Champaign, Ms. Satterthwaite."
"Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, I realize that Representative Countryman is new to the legislative Body and does not have the same background of experience that some of the rest of us have. And for that reason... for that reason, he may not be aware that last year there was legislation passed through the House and Senate and signed into law by the Governor that gives authority to the universities to do the kind of activity that this Bill calls for. I believe that it was a hasty hearing yesterday without proper notification of all of the people who should have been there and should have been available for questioning. For that reason, in Committee, I suggested that the Bill be held until appropriate kinds of arrangements could be made for that type of hearing; however, the vote was taken, and the Gentleman was unsuccessful in getting the support to have his Bill out of Committee. There is a good purpose overall in what the Bill seeks to do; however, I have strong questions about some parts of the Bill and the mechanism involved in doing that. I also have questions in regard to how that relates to the law that was passed last year, and for those reasons, I feel that we would be better holding the Bill in Committee, and holding those extensive hearings and getting back with the Bill at a later time. And I will oppose the Motion to discharge from Committee."
"The Gentleman from Perry, Mr. Dunn." Dunn, R.: "Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. Since Representative Countryman hasn't been here long and as Spokesman, Minority Spokesman, on the Higher Education Committee, well, I'd like to defend his vote or his Motion to take from the Committee and to have a hearing on this Bill now at this time or discharge the Committee so we can 34 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 131st Legislative Day June 7, 1984 put it on the Calendar. Representative Countryman didn't get... There weren't many in the Committee yesterday. There were 5 affirmative votes, only 3 negative votes. If the Committee had all been there, I feel sure that it would have gotten out of Committee. It was kind of hastily, but as the Chairman says, 'It's a good Bill.' She'd like to study it more, and I suggest that she could do that on Second Reading, even amend it if it needs... I'd urge that we... that the Motion carry to discharge Committee. Thank you."
"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Bowman."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I rise in support of the Motion. I think actually from looking at the legislation that it probably it should have been sent to a different Committee such as Economic Recovery or Small Business because we're talking about technology commercialization, and I think that that is a topic that is more appropriately dealt with by something like, say, Economic Recovery. So I think that since there is a possible question of Committee jurisdiction here that, perhaps, the appropriate thing is to discharge Committee so the full Body can consider it, and I support the Gentleman's Motion."
"Thank you, Mr. Bowman. The Gentleman from DeWitt, Mr. Vinson."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I rise for two purposes. The first is to take blatant exception to Representative Satterthwaite's political comments on the course of a very important Bill that has no political ramifications. If see she seeks one week to act as the proxy for Representative Bonan in continuing the Commission system and then in the next week to become a hit man for the Democrat Reelection 35 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 131st Legislative Day June 7, 1984 Committee..."
"Mr. Vinson. Mr. Vinson, you have flagrantly violated the rules, Sir... by taking a Member's name in a diparaging way. Continue, Mr. Vinson, with... within the rules of the House, please."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will. The second reason that I rise is to support the Gentleman's Motion, which simply seeks to try to create one of the mechanisms necessary if Illinois is to become... to effectively address the high tech revolution in this society. We have to begin to mobilize higher education and high tech industries together to create jobs for our people. His Bill would do that, and I would urge an 'aye' vote."
"The Gentleman from Vermilico, Mr. Stuffle."
"Mr. Speaker and Members, briefly, I, too, wish the Bill had gone to our Committee on Economic Recovery because the content of the Bill I think dovetails several Bills we've had this year and last year that deal with this same issue of transferring technology. I think, too, that the people who have risen in support of it accurately have portrayed it, and the Bill ought to be brought cut on the floor for consideration. I think it's a good business Bill and a good Bill for this House to consider and to pass this Session. We've looked at it even though it didn't come to that Committee, and I think some of the Members on that Committee would like to have it come out too, so it can get a full hearing."
"The Gentleman from Macon, Mr. Dunn." Dunn, J.: "Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, first of all, this Bill did have a good, fair hearing in Committee. And secondly, I'm for high technology, and I'm for small business people and I'm for economic progress just like everybody else, but back in the 60's and 70's 36 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 131st Legislative Day when we had a June 7, 1984 lot of federal money coming into our universities for grants, it was clearly understood that if government was going to be involved in fostering of research that the grants would go to independent institutions or colleges and universities. This legislation provides that, of course, grants can be made to colleges and universities, but grants can also be made to other not-for-profit entities and Illinois businesses. I don't know what the standards are, or who these businesses are or what not-for-profit corporations will spring up to apply for and get grants and whose friends they will be and whose enemies won't get grants. And I'm for the free enterprise system, and I think that if one of our business corporations in this state wants to go to the University of Illinois and discuss with them a research project which might be advantageous in the area of high tech and they want to fund it themselves, the University wants to do the project, that's fine. That can be arranged. If there is merit, the University can come to this General Assembly and ask for funding to fund a worthwhile project. But to say that... that we are going to turn over research and development functions, which really belong in our institutions of higher education, and turn them over to a bureaucratic agency of our State Government, which doesn't even have to make the grants to those universities, I think is contrary to all notions of fair enterprise and competition, the spirit of competition, and free enterprise. And who's to say if one business gets a grant to do something, what about its competition which doesn't have the grant? Shall it come in for the same grant? How do we handle this? How do we do this? If a business gets a grant, and does work and develops research, does it have to make the products of that research available to its 37 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REFBESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 131st Legislative Day June 7, 1984 competition? There are a lot of unanswered questions, and I think that's why this Bill didn't pass out of the Bigher Education Committee. And I would urge that the action of that Committee be ratified here by defeating this Motion."
"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. C'Contell."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. 1'11 ke very brief in support of this Motion. The... There's been discussion as to whether it should have gone to Higher Education ΟΣ the Committee on Economic Recovery. Not being a Member of either of those Committees, I would have liked to have an opportunity to vote for this measure, and I think it reflects the partnership that exists currently between business and education. And regardless of the Committee that it should have gone to, 1 think it's a... it's a time... it's time in this state that we give greater 1 credence to the concept of higher technology, and think this Bill goes a long way towards doing it. I would support the Motion."
"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Marzuki."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I guess I most certainly support this Lotion, since my Bill some time ago passed out of this House, passed cut of the Senate and the Governor saw fit to vetc that Bill. Also, the DCCA chose to work against it at that time. Evidently this suddenly has become a good Bill, and product research and development is now a part of cur economic development program in Illinois. I think that's very good and very interesting. It sounds like something that Є ought be doing. I'm a little chagrined, perhaps, because I didn't get that support from CCCA Gr the Governor, even though he did include this in his message of to last January or February.
Thank you." "The Gentleman from DuPage, Mr. Hoffman." 38 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 7, 1984 131st Legislative Day
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I move the previous question."
"The Gentleman from DuPage moves the previous question be put. All in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. Mr. Countryman to close."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I'll be brief in closing. I'm willing to work with any Member of the House who has questions about this Bill. I'm sorry that we didn't have the number of weeks that we've had on other Bills to deal with it in Committee. I can't answer the questions on Argone and the not-for-profit institutions or places like Argonne, and Fermi Lab and research institutes across the state. This Bill received... went out of the Senate 55 to nothing. I think it's time we unite the resources of the State of Illinois, the tremendous technology and resources we have in our university communities along with our businesses, and let's get Illinois moving in the competitive state environment for returning business and prospering business in the State of Illinois. It will help us all, and I ask for your favorable vote on this Motion. Thank you."
"The question is, 'Shall this Motion pass?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Motion, there are 104 voting 'aye', 5 voting 'no', 1 voting 'present', and the Motion is hereby declared passed. Committee Reports."
"Representative Leverenz, Chairman from the Committee on Appropriation I, to which the following Bills were referred, action taken June 7th, 1984, reported the same back with the following recommendations: 'Do pass' Senate Bills 1561, 1563 and 1571; 'do pass as amended' 39 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 131st Legislative Day June 7, 1984 Senate Bills 1559, 1560, 1570 and 1578."
"Agreed Resolutions."
"House Resolution 1030 (sic - 1033), Giglio and 1034, Leverenz."
"The Gentleman from Lake, Mr. Matijevich."
"Yes, Mr. Speaker, House Resolution 1033, Giglio, congratulates Anthony and Lotte Woznys on their 50th wedding anniversary: 1034, Leverenz, salutes the Chicago Area Club of the National Association of Negro Business and Profession Women's Club on hosting the 25th Annual Conference. Move the adoption of the Agreed Resolutions."
"The Gentleman from Lake moves for the adoption of the Agreed Resolutions. All in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Agreed Resolutions are adopted. Mr. McPike, the Majority Leader, on the Adjournment Resolution... Adjournment Motion."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I now move the House stands adjourned until Tuesday at the hour of 12:00 noon."
"The Motion is that the House stand adjourned until the hour of 12:00, Tuesday, at noon. All in favor signify... giving time for perfunctory time for the Clerk to read in Committee reports and such other business that may come before Clerk. All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the House stands adjourned."
"Committee Reports. Representative Jaffe, Chairman from the Committee on Judiciary, to which the following Bills were referred, action taken June 7th, 1984, reported the same back with the following recommendations: 'Do pass' Senate Bills 1509 and 1375; 'do pass as amended' Senate Bills 1793, 1725, 1790, 1925, 1179, 1589, 1794 and 40 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 131st Legislative Day June 7, 1984 1883; 'do pass Short Debate Calendar' Senate Bill 1878; 'do pass as amended Short Debate Calendar' Senate Bill 1928; 'be adopted' House Resolution 1013. Being no further business, the House will now stand adjourned until Tuesday, 12:00 noon." 41