Illinois House Floor Debate — June 29, 1984

"The hour of 10:00 having arrived, the House will now be in Session. Members will be in their seats. The Chaplain for today will be the Reverend Saughneysy Small, Pastor of the Capitol City Church of God of Springfield. Reverend Small is a guest of Representatives Sylvester Rhem and Representative Michael Curran. Will the guests in the gallery please rise for the invocation?

Reverend Small."

"As we bow our heads, Oh Gracious God, we truly thank Thee as we come together. We ask that Thou might bless these Representatives, Merciful Father, as they deliberate today. God, we pray that their decisions that they're making, Merciful Father, that they will always take God into account what they're doing. We just pray that Thou might bless their endeavors, Merciful Father, for they represent we, the people, of Illinois. And we pray, God, that You might bless their deliberation, Merciful Father, in a special way. Give them their direction that You would have them to go in. We thank You, Lord God, for men and women who are so committed that they might stand and do the things that You would have us to do for this State of Illinois. We thank You for them. We pray You bless them in whatever area they stand in need of help. In Jesus' Holy Name, Amen."

"Representative Ropp will lead us in the pledge to the flag."

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

"Roll Call for Attendance. Ms. Zwick, would you punch your button? Mr. Clerk, take the record. 117 1  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day June 29, 1984 Members have answered to the Roll Call, and the House has a guorum. Message from the Senate."

"A Message from the Senate, by Mr. Wright, Secretary. *Mr. Speaker, I am directed to inform the House of Representatives that the Senate has refused to concur with the House in adoption of their Amendments to the following Bills: Senate Bills 1484 and 1629, action taken by the Senate June 28, 1984. Kenneth Wright, Secretary.""

"Representative Brookins and Representative Curran in the Chair."

"Ladies and Gentlemen of the Assembly, we are here to honor Miss Black Springfield, Miss Rose Ann Pinn. We, Brookins, Alexander, LeFlore and Curran offered Resolution 1127. Mr. Clerk, would you read the Resolution?"

"House Resolution 1127, offered by Representatives Brookins, Alexander, LeFlore and Curran. Whereas, the Members of this House are honored and delighted to recognize significant milestones in lives of citizens of this state; and whereas, Miss Rose Ann Pinn, at age 19, was crowned as the first Miss Black Springfield at a pageant which was sponsored by H & H Productions; and whereas, Miss Pinn is the lovely daughter of Mr. Edward Pinn, Sr. and Mrs. Mary Pinn, both of whom must be very proud of their daughter; and whereas, Miss Pinn is a graduate of Lincoln Land Community College who plans to continue her education at Western Illinois University in the subject area of law enforcement administration and is also a member of Pleasant Grove Baptist Church; and whereas, her lovely personality, sense of commitment and tireless dedication to duty will all unite to ensure her a marvelous and productive future, and we look forward to hearing of even greater accomplishments from this young Lady. Therefore, be it 2  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day June 29, 1984 resolved by the House of Representatives of the 83rd General Assembly of the State of Illinois, that we congratulate Miss Rose Ann Pinn on her being crowned Miss Black Springfield and commend her on her educational accomplishments and aspirations. And be it further resolved that we sincerely wish this fine, young lady tremendous success in her future endeavors and express our full confidence in her abilities and resourcefullness. And be it further resolved that a suitable copy of this Preamble and Resolution be presented to Miss Rose Ann Pinn as a token of our warm regard and high esteem."

"Mr. Brookins moves for the adoption of House Resolution 1127. All in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Resolution is adopted. And now, Miss Black Springfield, would you like to address the Assembly?"

"Thank you very much. This is an honor as well as a privilege for me to accept this Resolution on behalf of Miss Black Springfield. I have made a solemn pledge to myself that I'd never let anything out of my hands that didn't represent the most sincere and earnest of my efforts. Thank you very much."

"On page two of the Calendar, on the Order of Concurrence, appears House Bill 1563. Mr. McGann? Out of the record. On the Order of Concurrence appears House Bill 2296, Mr. Hallock. Out of the record. On the Order of Concurrence appears House Bill 2388, Mr. Ewing. Out of the record. On the Order of Concurrence, on page seven... on page three of the Calendar, appears House Bill 2600, Mr. Bullock. Out of the record. On the Order of Concurrence, on page three of the Calendar, appears House Bill 2605, Mr. Stuffle. Out of the record. On the ... On page four of 3  143rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 29, 1984 the Calendar, on the Order of Concurrence, appears House Bill 2775, Mr. Capparelli. 2775. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2775, a Bill for an Act concerning law enforcement agencies and locating lost, missing and runaway children, together with Senate Amendment #1."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Capparelli."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. House Bill 2775 originally was the Missing Childs' Recovery Act. It went over to the Senate. There was a Bill identical that Mr. Rock had and on this Bill, has been changed now, and provides for the statements for our... let's see... of economic interest because of a publicity brought forth by a much publicized article in Chicago. And this changes the economic interest law. What it does now, provides that a statement must be filed on May 1st of each year. Now, it's April 30th. Provides the following procedure if a person required to file fails to file. The office with whom the statement was to be filed, the Secretary of State or the County Clerk, must notify the person via certified mail within seven days of the deadline, May 1st, of the failure... the failure to file. There will be a 15 dollar late filing fee is imposed, and if the statement is not filed by May 15th, an additional 100 dollar a day penalty is imposed. If the statement is not filed by May 31st, forfeiture or ineligibility for the office shall result. I would ask for concurrence for the House Bill 2775."

"The Gentleman from Cook moves that the House do concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2775. And on that, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall the House concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2775?' All in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is now open. This is 4  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day June 29, 1984 final action. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question there are 109 voting 'aye', 1 voting 'no', 2 voting 'present', and the House does concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2775. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On the Order of Concurrence, on page five of the Calendar, appears House Bill 3067. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3067, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Insurance Code, together with Senate Amendment #1."

"The Gentleman from Lee, Mr. Olson."

"I'd like to take this out of the record at this time, please."

"Out of the record. On the Order of Concurrence, on page five of the Calendar, appears House Bill 3083, Mr. Vinson. 3083. Out of the record. On the Order of Concurrence, on page five of the Calendar, appears House Bill 3090, Mr. Hoffman. Out of the record. On the Order of Concurrence appears House Bill 3091. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3091, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act concerning business assistance, together with Senate Amendment #1."

"The Gentleman from Morgan, Mr. Ryder."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I would move to concur with Senate Amendment #1. As you recall, this Bill originally created a Business Assistance Office. One of the many duties was to recommend means by which paperwork could be cut, red tape cut. JCAR had the responsibility for this. Senate Amendment #1 simply changes their responsibility to placing the paperwork in their five year review cycle, further defines state forms 5  143rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 29, 1984 to include grant applications, licensing applications, but did not include books, pamphlets, newsletters, intra-agency forms, which don't affect persons outside of the government. I would move to concur."

"The Gentleman from Morgan moves that the House concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 3091. Is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall the House concur in Senate Amendment #1?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open, and this is final action. Final action. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question there are 114 voting 'aye', none voting 'no', none voting 'present', and the House does concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 3091. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Yes, for what purpose does the Gentleman from Cook, Mr. DiPrima, seek recognition?"

"Well, yes, Mr. Speaker, I wanted to give a last minute notice that we're going to close the adjournment pool. Anybody wants to get in better get over here. And another thing, anybody wants a 4th of July speech, you better come over and get that. Thank you."

"On the Order of Concurrence, on page five, appears House Joint Resolution 147. Mr. Kirkland. House Joint Resolution 147 on the Order of Concurrence. Mr. Clerk, read the Resolution."

"House Joint Resolution 147, declares a major literacy initiative in Illinois, together with Senate Amendment #1."

"The Gentleman from Kane, Mr. Kirkland."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I move to concur. This was a Resolution for an adult literacy week to be established in 6  143rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 29, 1984 September, and the Senate Amendment simply directs that the Resolution be delivered to various parties."

"Okay. The Gentleman from Kane has moved that the House concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Joint Resolution 147. Is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall the House concur in Senate Amendment #1?' All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the House does concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Joint Resolution 147. Ladies and Gentlemen, your attention is directed to page eight of the Calendar. We have received eight Senate Joint Resolutions, and we require Sponsors before they can be dealt with. So, you might look at page eight of your Calendar under Speaker's Table and determine the Sponsorship of those Resolutions. Thank you. There is also one on page seven. It begins at the bottom of page seven with SJR 51 and those that follow. On the Order of Nonconcurrence, on page five of the Calendar, appears Senate Bill 1524. Mr. Stuffle. Out of the record. On the Order of Nonconcurrence, on page five, appears Senate Bill 1612. Out of the record. On the Order of Nonconcurrence appears Senate Bill 1629, Mr. Giorgi. Out of the record. On the Order of Nonconcurrence appears Senate Bill 1746, Mr. Hoffman. Out of the record. On the Order of Nonconcurrence, page five of the Calendar, appears Senate Bill 1794, Ms. Topinka. Out of the record. On the Order of Nonconcurrence, on page five of the Calendar, appears Senate Bill 1844, Ms. Braun. Out of the record. On the Order of Nonconcurrence appears Senate Bill 1853. Out of the record. On the Order of Nonconcurrence, page six of the Calendar, appears Senate Bill 1864, Mr. Vinson. Out of the record. On the Order of Nonconcurrence appears Senate Bill 1870. Ms. Barnes. Mr. Clerk, read 7  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day the... read the Bill." June 29, 1984

"Senate Bill 1870, a Bill for an Act to release highway easements and restore access rights to certain described lands, together with Senate Amend... House Amendment #1."

"The Lady from Cook, Ms. Barnes."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I move to not recede on Senate Bill 1870."

"The Lady from Cook, Ms. Barnes, moves that the House refuse to recede from House Amendment #1 to Senate Bill 1870. And on that, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall the House refuse to recede from House Amendment #1 to Senate Bill 1870?' All in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the House does refuse to recede from Senate (sic House) Amendment #1. And the Lady requests that a Conference Committee be appointed. On the Order of Nonconcurrence appears Senate Bill 1881, Mr. Hensel. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 1881, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Purchasing Act, together with House Amendment #1."

"Gentleman from DuPage, Mr. Hensel."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker... Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. I'd like to recede and nonconcur with the Senate Bill 1881. Recede from Amendment #1. Bight."

"The Gentleman from DuPage moves that the House does recede from House Amendment #1 to Senate Bill 1881. And on that, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Cullerton."

"Panayotovich, please."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Panayotovich."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?" 8  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day June 29, 1984

"Indicates he'll yield for a question."

"Representative Hensel, was the structural steel language corrected?"

"No. We're going to take that Amendment out of the Bill. That's what I'm doing by receding. So..."

"I understand that. But could we correct it? I'd be advocable) if you'd like to correct that."

"Well, I don't know whether we're going to have time in this. Why don't we work on it, and get a good Amendment to it in the next Session, if that's agreeable with you."

"I understand. Fine. Thank you very much."

"Thank you."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Cullerton. Further discussion? There being no further discussion, the question is, 'Shall the House recede from House Amendment #1 to Senate Bill 1881?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. This is final action. Final action. Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question there are 113 voting 'aye', none voting 'no', 1 voting 'present', and the House does recede from House Amendment #1 to Senate Bill 1881. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On the Order of Nonconcurrence appears Senate Bill 1911. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 1911, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act in relation to community currency exchange and ambulatory currency exchanges, together with House Amendment #1."

"The Gentleman from Fulton, Mr. Homer."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would move that we.. that the House refuse to recede from House Amendment #1 so that we can put this Bill into a Conference Committee to resolve what basically is a technical problem. The Bill itself 9  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day June 29, 1984 deals with the... the potential for bankruptcy of currency exchanges and the priority of treating the creditors upon such event. And the... the dispute that still exists is as to whom should have priority between individuals who have deposited money for license registration and individuals who have paid their utility bills at the currency exchange. And it's the intent to put this Bill into Conference Committee in such the way to make it clearer that those individuals who have paid their utilities bills would have... would have priority over the Secretary of State's Office in respect to the money paid for license fees. I would, therefore, respectfully ask the House to join me in refusing to recede from Amendment #1."

"The Gentleman from Fulton moves that the House refuse to recede from House Amendment #1 to Senate Bill 1911. On that, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall the House refuse to recede from Senate (sic House) Amendment #1... from House Amendment #1 to Senate Bill 1911. All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the House does refuse to recede from House Amendment #1 to Senate Bill 1911 and requests that a Conference Committee be appointed. On the Order of Nonconcurrence, on page six of the Calendar, appears Senate Bill 1928. Mr. McCracken, do you wish to proceed? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 1928, a Bill for an Act relating to indemnification of certain public employees in certain civil lawsuits, together with House Amendments #1 and 2."

"The Gentleman from DuPage, Mr. McCracken."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I move that the House not recede from its Amendments #1 and 2 to Senate Bill 1928. Those Amendments 10  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day took out Court of Claims June 29, 1984 supervision for these indemnification suits and also inserted the right of volunteers under written contract with the state to be subject to the Act. I move that the House not recede from Amendments #1 and 2."

"Gentleman from DuPage has moved that the House refuse to recede from Senate Amendments... from House Amendments #1 and 2 to Senate Bill 1928. Is there any discussion? Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Cullerton."

"Yes, would the Sponsor yield?"

"Indicates he'll yield for a question."

"Representative McCracken, could you tell me, specifically with reference to Amendment #1, what that Amendment did?"

"That Amendment would have required the Court of Claims to have reviewed all authorizations for indemnification prior to their being actually executed."

"Would that have required any appropriation?"

"No, that... the entire Bill, as it passed out, would have required the appropriation. Whether the Amendment was or was not on the Bill did not affect that."

"You're saying that Amendment #1 did not require an appropriation."

"I don't believe so, no. The underlying Bill... The underlying Bill's intent was to create a new line item in Central Management Services. As I recall, Amendment #1 merely was the Court of Claims oversight."

"Well... (tape malfunction) few minutes, I'd like to defer to Representative Leverenz, because I think we defeated an appropriation that was... dealt with Amendment #1. With respect to Amendment #2, could you tell me what that Amendment did?"

"Yes, that was the Attorney General Amendment which 11  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day June 29, 1984 allowed for volunteers under written contract with the state to be within the scope of the Indemnification Act."

"I remember questioning you on... to how many volunteers this would be expanded to?"

"I don't know. I don't know how many volunteers would be within the scope of this Amendment."

"And ... did not agree with these Amendments, is that correct?"

"That's correct. I don't... I don't know precisely why, but my understanding was that Senator Carroll wanted the Court of Claims oversight which was Amendment #1. Amendment #2, the Attorney General Amendment, was originally Senate Bill 1645, Senator Berman's Bill. That passed out, and we combined the two Bills onto Senate Bill 1928. So, I believe that Amendment #1 was... was the hangup in the Senate."

"What is it that you want to do with a Conference Committee?"

"Go back and see if we can get Senator Carroll to change his mind."

"Okay. No further questions."

"Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Leverenz."

"The Sponsor yield?"

"Indicates that he will"

"We defeated the appropriation for 500,000 day before yesterday and now one of the Amendments would provide for the Court of Claims to review each case. Is that correct? Now you... What do you want to do with that?"

"Yes. The creation of the line item and the intent of the Bill, I believe, is not a part of Amendment #1. Amendment #1 would require oversight by the Court of Claims, approval by the proposed payouts prior to their execution." 12  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day June 29, 1984

"What's wrong with some oversight to payouts so that at least... would that provide not only the Court of Claims, but the Attorney General's Office to signoff on the claim?"

"No..."

"Is that the intent of Amendment #1?"

"No, the Attorney General, under the Bill, has to signoff regardless of Amendment #1."

"So, the Attorney General would still provide the oversight and..."

"That's correct. However..."

"If you're taking out the part that provides for a separate line item, where..."

"I don't believe Amendment #1 would take out the separate line item. To be candid, I don't have it in front of me; but, as I recall, the Court of Claims oversight was Amendment #1..."

"Well, I don't have anything in front of me either. I'm just..."

"The Court of Claims oversight was Amendment #1. The underlying Bill has in the line item, not Amendment #1."

"And you're asking for nonconcurrence to push it to a Conference Committee?"

"Yes, Sir."

"And what do you expect it will come back looking like?"

"I hope it comes back the way we passed it the first time."

"And if we... If we kill it now, then we will never need the half a million dollar appropriation which we contend is nothing more than squirrelling money away, and it will work in a similar fashion as the Court of Claims. As each case is heard and decided and signed off by the Attorney General, then you can come in for the money when 13  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day June 29, 1984 we know exactly how much it is? Is that correct?"

"No, that's not correct. Even if you don't like the proposal, if you do not pass some Bill, there is no authorization, because of that decision which the Court of Claims rendered last year, for them to authorize awards under the Indemnification Act. So, something has to be done. If you don't agree that it's not wise to delete Court of Claims oversight, then I welcome you to the Conference Committee, but we have to do something."

"Isn't it... Well, I'd rather have my counsel Cullerton on the Conference Committee. But wouldn't it be just easier to get the Court of Claims to work faster and get the job done in the first place so you wouldn't have to put this secondary bogus operation together?"

"The Court of Claims has held that they don't have jurisdiction to authorize these awards, to make these awards."

"I see. We'll go to the Conference, and we'll put it together our way. Thank you."

"Further discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall the House refuse to recede from Senate Amendments #1 and 2... excuse me, from House Amendments #1 and 2 to Senate Bill 1928?' All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the House refuses to recede to Senate... to House Amendments #1 and 2 to Senate Bill 1928 and requests the appointment of a Conference Committee. On the Order of Nonconcurrence appears Senate Bill 1939. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 1939, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act creating the Illinois Health and Hazardous Substance Registry Act, together with House Amendments #1 and 2."

"The Lady from Cook, Ms. Barnes." 14  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day

June 29, 1984 "Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I refuse to recede from the Amendments and would request a Conference Committee. This Bill has dealt with the Cancer Registry Act, and the Senate Sponsor feels that it needs a little more refinement, and I agree with him."

"The Lady from Cook moves that the House refuse to recede from House Amendments #1 and 2 to Senate Bill 1939. There being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall the House refuse to recede from House Amendments 1 and 2 to Senate Bill 1939?' All in favor signify by saying 'aye, those opposed say 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the House does refuse to recede from House Amendments #1 and 2 to Senate Bill 1939 and requests the appointment of a Conference Committee. Alright. Now we will go to the top of the list again on nonconcurrences. On the Order of Nonconcurrence appears Senate Bill 1524. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 1524, a Bill for an Act relating to motor vehicles and motor fuel tax, together with House Amendments #3 and 4."

"The Gentleman from Vermilion, Mr. Stuffle."

"I would move that the House refuse to recede from its Amendments and ask for a Committee on Conference."

"The Gentleman from Vermilion moves that the House refuse to recede to House Amendments 3 and 4 to Senate Bill 1524. There being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall the House refuse to recede from House Amendments 3 and 4 to Senate Bill 1524?' All in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the House does refuse to recede from House Amendments 3 and 4 to Senate Bill 1524 and requests the appointment of a Conference Committee. On the Order of Nonconcurrence appears Senate Bill 1794. Mr. 15  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day June 29, 1984 Clerk, read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 1794, a Bill for an Act in relation to the offense of aggravated fleeing or attempting to elude a police officer, together with House Amendments #1 and 6." Topinka:

"The Lady from Cook, Ms. Topinka." "Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I would ask at this time that... we refuse to concur with Senate (sic - House) Amendments #1 and 6... recede from Senate (sic - House) Amendments #1 and 6, and I ask for a Conference Committee to be appointed."

"The Lady from Cook has moved the House do refuse to recede from House Amendments #1 and 6 to Senate Bill 1794. And on that question, the Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Cullerton."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Representative Topinka, would you please yield for a question?"

"Indicates that she will."

"This is very important. Does this Bill deal with fleeing?"

"Yes, this Bill deals with fleeing. We deal with a lot of dogs on this floor."

"Does this Bill apply to the collar counties?"

"Yes, it applies to the collar counties."

"And what did the Senate say about your Amendments?"

"They itched."

"And what do you want to do in a Conference Committee?"

"I'd like to sit down and discuss with the Senate Sponsor exactly why, you know, they are kind of refusing to come along with us so that we can work out our differences."

"Okay."

"Mr. Cullerton, your bark was much worse than 16  143rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 29, 1984 your bite on that one. There being no further discussion, the question is, 'Shall the House refuse to recede from House Amendments #1 and 6 to Senate Bill 1794?' All in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the House does refuse to recede from House Amendments 1 and 6 to Senate Bill 1794 and requests that a Conference Committee be appointed. Ladies and Gentlemen, Representative Ropp in the Chair. Mr. Ropp."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. I'd like to have your attention for a moment for a presentation. As you may well know, for eleven consecutive years the Southern Illinois Industrial Association has sponsored a tennis and a raquetball tournament. This year we have an all time record rookie winner who came to Springfield and won by a storm. Margie Parcells. Maggie, come on up here. In less than two months, she's displayed her characteristics on the tennis court by winning with her partner, Jim Broadway, from the Illinois Hospital Association. On behalf of the Southern Illinois Industrial Association, I want to present to you with this first place trophy, and you can take one and give it to Jim, too. We had another old-timer that is not that old, but he's probably one of the most handsomest tennis players around. Dave Harris was nosed out by, I think, one game coming in second with Gary 'Coke' of the local governmental task force. Dave, if you'll come forth and pick up your second place trophy and then present it to Gary, too. Congratulations. Thank you all very much. The rest of the players that participated from the House just played well and hard, did not win. Good luck."

"In case there's any question as far as the last Bill that we dealt with, it was a refusal to recede from 17  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day June 29, 1984 Senate Bill 1794, 1794. Alright. We will return now to the Order of Concurrence, on page two of the Calendar, and go over some of the Bills that we skipped over in the absence of the Sponsor. On page two of the Calendar, on the Order of Concurrence, appears House Bill 2296, Mr. Hallock. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2296, a Bill for an Act creating the Illinois County Historic Preservation Act and amending the Illinois Municipal Code, together with Senate Amendments #1 and 2."

"The Gentleman from Winnebago, Mr. Hallock."

"TI "Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. House Bill 2296 as passed by the House established the Illinois County Historic Preservation Act. It is a permissive Bill which allows counties to establish, if they so choose, Acts of this type. Amendment #1 in the Senate vas a technical one which made only those technical changes. Amendment #2 deleted the eminent domain power and put in a front-door referendum on the Bill. I would move to concur with both Amendments."

"The Gentleman from Winnebago MOVES that the House does concur in Senate Amendments 1 and 2 to House Bill 2296. Is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, "Shall the House concur in Senate Amendments #1 and 2 to House Bill 2296? All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote "no". This is final action. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question there are 109 voting 'aye'... no, 110 voting 'aye, none voting 'no", none voting 'present, and the House does concur in Senate Amendments #1 and 2 to House Bill 2296. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On the Order of Concurrence, page two of 18  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day June 29, 1984 the Calendar, appears House Bill 2388. Mr. Ewing, do you wish to proceed? Out of the record. Mr. Stuffle. Mr. Stuffle in... Mr. Stuffle, do you wish to proceed on 2605? Out of the record. On page five of the Calendar on the Order of Concurrence appears House Bill 3067. Mr. Olson, do you wish to proceed? No, out of the record. On the Order of Concurrence appears House Bill 3083. Mr. Vinson. Mr. Vinson, 3083? Do you wish to concur, Sir? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill. Oh, out of the record, Mr. Clerk. Let's stand at ease for a few moments. For what purpose does the Gentleman from Jefferson, Mr. Hicks, seek recognition?"

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, for a purpose of an announcement. I'd like to say the Carson's Air Express scheduled for Saturday night needs to have final orders taken and all dollars available at that time. It could be picked up at this time, but final orders need to be given though in the next couple hours."

"Thank you for that valuable announcement. Since we are at ease, the TV light has been turned off so that TV and camera enthusiasts are admonished from taking pictures while we are at ease. The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Kulas."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Would you be so kind as to enlighten the Body as to how long we're going to be at ease?"

"Well, a little while anyhow, Mr. Kulas, but we will give you a more definitive statement of the agenda for the day a little later on. The gentleman with the camera, would you come to the podium, please? For what purpose does the Gentleman from Rock Island, Mr. Brunsvold, seek recognition?"

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I wondered if the Republicans were going to go to Conference or Caucus so we 19  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 29, 1984 143rd Legislative Day could go to lunch."

"Well, you know, Mr. Brunsvold, no real decent lunch can be had in less than a couple hours. I believe that. Certain... Certain way of life has to be maintained. So, we'll have to just see whether they're going to give us that kind of life today."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker."

"Ladies and Gentlemen of the House and Mr. Brunsvold, who's concerned about lunch, the House will stand in recess until the hour of 1:00. I would suggest that Members be back here promptly at 1:00. We will begin business hopefully at that time."

"The House shall come to order. The Members shall be in their chairs. Mr. Clerk, do you have any Resolutions? Mr. Mulcahey. Mr. Mulcahey, was there anything that you wish to speak to?"

"Well, Mr. Speaker, I was going to mention a couple things, but I sort of, after I thought about it for a while, I sort of felt like the father of a 16 year old daughter who came home at 3:00 in the morning with a 'Gidian' Bible under her arm. I have mixed emotions. So, maybe I had just better pass for now."

"Are there any Members who would have any items on either the concurrence or the nonconcurrence Calendar where they would wish to move to nonconcur? Are there any Members who have any matters where they would like to nonconcur? The Chair recognizes Mr. Giorgi. Mr. Giorgi."

"Mr. Speaker, I move that... I refuse to recede..."

"Mr. Giorgi, please state the page on the Calendar where your matter appears."

"The number is page five on the Calendar, 1629."

"What is your Motion?"

"I move to not recede from House Amendments to Senate 20  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 29, 1984 143rd Legislative Day Bill 1629."

"Gentleman moves that the House do not recede from the House Amendments to Senate Bill 1629. Those in favor say 'aye', those opposed say 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Motion is adopted. Did you wish to ask for a Giorgi: Conference Committee?" "Mr. Speaker, I ask that a Conference Committee be formed to deliberate on Senate Bill 1629."

"Fine. And the Gentleman also requests a Conference Committee. Mr. McGann."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the Assembly. On page five of the Nonconcurrence Calendar, I refuse to recede to Senate Bill 833, and I ask for a Conference Committee."

"Mr. McGann, could you hold that Motion temporarily?"

"Yes, Mr. Speaker."

"Thank you. Are there any other Members who wish to take a matter on the Order of Concurrence or Nonconcurrence where they wish to move to nonconcur? On page five of the Calendar, Mr. McGann has moved to nonconcur in Senate Amendments to Senate Bill 833. Mr. McGann."

"Thank you, Mr. Chairman and Members of the Assembly. I will repeat, on page five, Senate Bill 833, that I refuse to recede, and I ask for a Conference Committee."

"The Gentleman moves to refuse to recede and to ask for the appointment of a Conference Committee. Those in favor say 'aye', those opposed say 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Motion is adopted. Are there any other Members who have matters on the Concurrence or Nonconcurrence Calendar where they wish to offer a Motion? Are there any Members who wish to take a matter on the Concurrence or the 21  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day June 29, 1984 Nonconcurrence Calendar? For what purpose does Mr. Hoffman seek recognition?"

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In response to your request, I would like to take Senate Bill 1612 and Senate Bill 1746 up on the Nonconcurrence Calendar."

"On page five of the Calendar there appears Senate Bill 1746. The Chair recognizes Mr. Hoffman."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. On Senate Bill 1746, I move that we refuse to recede from House Amendment #6 and call for a Conference Committee."

"The Gentleman moves that the House... For what purpose does Mr. Cullerton seek recognition?"

"That's fine, Mr. Speaker. I just wanted to make sure I understood what he was... what his Motion was. It was to recede..."

"Mr. Hoffman, could you restate your Motion? Mr. Hoffman."

"Wish to recede from the Amendment #6?"

"The Motion was that the House refuse to recede from Amendment #6."

"Well, my understanding was he was going to recede from the Amendment. That's why I inquired. Can I ask him to take it out of the record?"

"Okay. The matter shall be taken out of the record. For what purpose does Mr. Flinn seek recognition?"

"Well, Mr. Speaker, I just wondered if Kelly Smith and company has a right to film out of the Speaker's gallery... or the permission, rather."

"Mr. Flinn, could you state your inquiry again?"

"I see there's a camera in the Speaker's gallery and normally there is not one there. I really don't care myself. I just wondered if they had permission to film out 22  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day of the Speaker's gallery." June 29, 1984

"Mr. Flinn, the House rules provide that cameras can be positioned in any of the galleries. For what purpose does Mr. Greiman seek recognition?"

"Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a matter on the Order of Nonconcurrence. I'd like to concur..."

"Mr. Greiman, if you could hold that, and if we could ask Representative Braun to come to the podium with her guest for the purpose of a special introduction."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I'd like to introduce to you today members of the world famous Staple Singers. We have with us today, on my right, Mavis Staples and Evon Staples, representing their family. And as we head into the hectic end of Session, I... we have just filed and hope to soon adopt later on today a Resolution in honor of the Staple Singers in congratulating them for their good work and for the example that they make for the entire community. And I would like to read a copy of the Resolution. Whereas, this Body is greatly honored to welcome to its chamber the musically gifted and acclaimed Staple Singers, often referred to as the first family of gospel; and whereas, 'Robuck and Oseolla' Staple and their children have been performing for enthusiastic and appreciative audiences for more than thirty years - I want to put a pin in this. These Ladies were only two when they started - and for what began as family entertainment soon grew into appearances in many Chicago area churches and has developed in to worldwide recognition and recording success; and whereas, as the Staple Singers have toured the globe, their popularity has increased and they have naturally assumed the roles of Good Will ambassadors for the uplifting message and rich quality of their music transcend cultural 23  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day June 29, 1984 differences and overcome language barriers; and whereas, family times have always been the strength of the Staple Singers and 'Robuck and Oseolla' Staple recently celebrated their 50th anniversary of marital as well as musical harmony. Therefore, be it resolved by the House of the 83rd General Assembly of the State of Illinois that we extend our heartfelt welcome to the Staple Singers commending this outstanding family upon a career which has spanned three decades and has consistently reflected the dedication to the noble pursuits of the human spirit and that we also congratulate Mr. and Mrs. Staples upon the commemoration of their golden wedding anniversary. And be it further resolved that a suitable copy of this Resolution be presented to the Staple Singers. With that, Ladies and Gentleman, again I'd like to introduce and I'd like you to say... both of you if you would say a few words to the Body."

"Thank you. It is indeed a pleasure, as well as an honor, to be in your midst today. We appreciate all that has been done for us today. We've had a beautiful morning and the afternoon is going on with Representative Braun and all of you. It is a great pleasure and thank you."

"Mavis, and thank you Carol for that two year old. We was I think about two at that particular time. On behalf of the entire family, the Staple Singers, I'd like to say... thank all of you. And as mom and pop taught us, together we stand, divided we fall. And we are so glad to see you together and that we finally reached the turning point in our life, and there's no going back now."

"On the Order of the Concurrence Calendar, on page two, there appears House Bill 1563. Mr. McGann."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the Assembly. I would ask your attention for a few moments. I rise today 24  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day June 29, 1984 to plead for the education of the elementary and secondary students in the State of Illinois. I ask for a cooperative effort by both Republicans and Democrats in concurrence with Amendments 1, 2 and 3 to House Bill 1563. This legislation belongs to all of us because of a significant impact on the continuity of education in our state. We had a thorough discussion last Friday of what the Amendments do and will not do. The most important aspect we can... should consider today is the new approach to funding our schools through the Local School Fund by placing a surcharge of 25 percent on the sale of Lottery tickets. There are those among us who cannot accept this new concept for the fear of diminishing sales. We have taken those persons into consideration in the safeguard of Amendment #3, which places the necessary powers with the State Lottery Board to suspend or rescind, by emergency rule, when sales are reduced by 15 percent. We have no other alternative on the horizon for funding of our schools, and this is June 29, 1984. Before you on your desk is a memorandum noting the distribution of the nev revenue by Illinois Senate Districts. Senate Districts totally in the confines of the City of Chicago are generating most of our Lottery sales and will receive adequate funding for their schools. Oh, yes, some districts will receive more than others; but, with this plan, the money is returned to where they were generated. This approach is fair. This is an approach that's equitable. Please look at this memorandum. Note the amounts to be returned to your districts. I ask you to please be cooperative, please think above all other interests the children of the State of Illinois. A green vote would certainly be appreciated by all of them. Once again, there's nothing else before us. We cannot forget the schools in the State of Illinois. I will be very happy 25  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day to answer any questions."

June 29, 1984 "Ladies and Gentlemen, the Gentleman has moved that the House concur in Senate Amendment #3 to House Bill 1563. If I could humbly suggest that we've already had a very healthy debate on this question and, in light of the earlier debate, if everyone could hold their remarks to a minimum, and the Governor's man, Mr. Dillard, would appreciate that also. Chair recognizes Mr. Hoffman." Hoffman: to "Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I appreciate your admonition, and I will certainly, as always, follow your admonition. I rise in opposition to this legislation. I don't think it's necessary for... to me, to mention the fact to most of the people in this House that I've been involved in the issue of education all of the 18 years that I've been in this General Assembly, but I rise today to speak in opposition to this legislation as a faulty approach the program of support for public education. I do this for two reasons. Number one, the fact of the matter is that the Lottery sales projected in the Bureau of the Budget's estimates of revenue this term have already dropped. They've dropped from 22 million a week to 18... 19 million a week, which is going to leave us about a 75 million dollar hole. By putting the Lottery surcharge on, we're only going to reduce the take on that particular sale. As the Lottery drops down, that reduces the amount of money in the General Revenue Fund which reduces the amount of money available for... for all schools. And for those two reasons, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I stand in opposition Motion to Bill 1563." to the concur in Senate Amendments 1, 2 and 3 to House

"Mr. Pierce."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, when 26  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day June 29, 1984 this matter came up two weeks ago, I voted 'present', because I didn't believe this was necessarily the most logical way to fund public education in Illinois - through the Lottery surtax. Since that time, I've had discussions with Mr. McGann and others, and I've become convinced that here at the last minute, June 29th, our schools need money, not only in Chicago, not only city schools - suburban schools and downstate schools as well, and that the plan from the Senate is the only real ballgame we have in town. It's a way of doing something for our public schools. It does distribute money fairly in the suburban Cook County, the suburban Cook County portions of my district in New Trier, North Hill and Wheeling Townships. It's fair with Lake County, the other part of my district. They will receive money from this, not just Chicago. This isn't a plan that just helps Mr. McGann and the City of Chicago public schools. It helps suburban schools, suburban Cook County schools, collar county schools and, I'm sure, downstate schools as well. And, therefore, having studied these figures, having discussed the matter with Mr. McGann in his most persuasive way, I'm convinced that we should concur in the Senate Amendments to House Bill 1563 that will provide funds for our public schools throughout the State of Illinois. And I, therefore, intend to change my vote from 'present' to an 'aye' vote, an enthusiastic 'aye' vote so that we don't go home tomorrow night or whenever we go home without having done anything to help fund public education in Illinois."

"Mr. Vinson."

"Mr. Speaker, inquiry of the Chair."

"State your inquiry."

"Mr. Speaker, in line with your, quote, 'humble suggestion, closed quote, could I humbly request the same 27  143rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE Roll Call on the Bill?"

"You... Naturally, Mr. Vinson, you could make that request."

"Just as I made the request to reserve Amendments 60 through 69 yesterday?"

"We have appointed a Committee to develop a procedure to comply with your first request. That Committee is working..."

"Will that Committee report on adjournment?"

"Well, it's working very diligently, and I'm sure it will report in due time."

"Well then, Mr. Speaker, I wonder if the Sponsor might yield for a question."

"Sponsor indicates he will yield."

"Representative, the... my question would be are there any safeguards in your Bill so that within the individual school districts, the money would be expended in those neighborhoods which bought the most Lottery tickets?"

"Representative, I can only answer that, no."

"I thought so. Thank you."

"It will go into those service region areas, and it will go in through the school districts in that immediate area where those Lottery sales were generated."

"Thank you. Mr. Speaker, to the Bill. I rise in opposition to the Bill for the same reasons that I rose on a previous occasion. There are two fundamental flaws with the Bill. To the extent that the Bill is in any way successful in increasing money for education, it must necessarily take that money away from downstate and rural and suburban school districts to transfer that to urban school districts, particularly the City of Chicago School District. That is not a way to encourage a spirit of cooperation throughout this state to solve our school 28  143rd Legislative Day STATE OP ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 29, 1984 problems throughout the State of Illinois. As the Speaker suggested yesterday, it's wrong to set one region of the state against another region of the state. And this proposal for funding education very clearly does that, because it would necessarily, if it were successful at all, take money away from some school districts to transfer it to others. And finally, it's very likely to be totally counterproductive, because it's likely to discourage Lottery receipts in general. For those reasons, it's a bad proposal. There is plenty of time to work out these problems before the next school year commences. Committees are... Conference Committees are in progress, and virtually every Conference Committee resolves to a discussion of this kind of issue. There is no reason to act on this Bill when it might have a very counterproductive effect on education, in general, and particularly on education downstate and in the suburban areas of the state. For those reasons, I would urge a 'no' vote and request a verification should it appear to get the requisite number of votes."

"Mr. Brunsvold."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I stand in opposition to Representative McGann's Motion. I appreciate his efforts towards education, but the history does not show that we are, in fact, moving the money towards education. The original Lottery Bill was supposed to save education. It was still in trouble. We've gotten a lot of heat over that. The income tax we passed last year did not save education. They're still in trouble. And now we have a third item, a surtax to save education again. It is not going to work. It saved a lot of other programs. It saved public aid. It saved mental health. It saved all these other programs that can't pass a tax increase. In the Governor's Mansion this spring on 29  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day June 29, 1984 the appropriation, the Governor, with 500 million dollars of extra money, only was going to allot 27 million dollars to education. This not... does not show me any effort towards funding education. This is not, in the end, going to fund education. It's going to fund a lot of other programs but not education. So, I would request a 'no' vote on Representative McGann's Motion. Thank you, Mr. Speaker."

"Mr. Harris."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Gentleman yield for a question?"

"Sponsor indicates he will yield."

"Representative McGann, you were very generous earlier and provided some information as to the distribution of the amount of funds which would be generated under this proposal and the distribution of those funds. From looking over the sheet, I notice that my district, outside of the City of Chicago, my district, receives more funds than any other district in the State of Illinois. Let me follow up on that by asking a couple of questions. If you would help me out, how were these figures arrived at? Is it a combination of Lottery sales, students? How does..."

"They were compiled from Lottery sales in the different regions, the districts. And you, no doubt, produce a lot of Lottery sales from your area. And the State Board of Education did the data work on this memorandum."

"Okay. The dollars which are returned specifically... let say just specifically to my district which is an entirely a Cook County district. How are... How do those dollars get back to my school district?"

"According to your student enrollment, those monies will come back into that service area region."

"Through what mechanism? Where do.." 30  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day

June 29, 1984 "Through the school... the School Fund that will be set up. This is not going back into the regular Lottery Fund where they put 40 percent... 41 percent into the General Revenue Fund to fund education. This will be handled in this School Lottery Fund."

"Is the..."

"It will be distributed from there."

"Is the Regional Superintendent of Schools involved in this in any way?"

"He will most definitely be involved in the distribution. Definitely."

"It's very difficult for me to look at the numbers which you have put out and say, as much as I want to fund education, that I would not support this Motion. However, when you mention the Regional Superintendent of Schools in my area and the school districts in my area, talking about the Regional Superintendent of Schools, despite the large dollars that are involved here, they may never see those dollars if it has to go through that office. But I appreciate your answering my questions. Thank you."

""Representative, I just want to add to your questions if I may there... You will receive in your district approximately eight million dollars for the education of your school children in elementary and secondary schools. Eight million will be going in there. Now, I don't know how you're going to rationalize this, but no one else has come up with any better idea but; yet, at the same time, we don't ever want to try something new. I... If I was going to get eight million dollars into my district, I'd be really overwhelmingly in support of it. I get a million some thousand in my district."

"Well..."

"Think it over, Representative." 31  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day June 29, 1984

"I appreciate your comment, Representative McGann, that the... I have school districts which are most, most blessed in terms of other school districts in this state. My high school district sits on a reserve of 25 million dollars. My one elementary school district would just as soon not take any funds, because they have the highest EDA of any school district, elementary school district in the state. Not that I want to turn away eight million dollars, but I'd rather see that eight million dollars not necessarily come back all to my district, but perhaps go to other districts in the state which might be a little bit more worthy."

"Well, I would suggest, Representative, that you receive that eight mill... Vote for this piece of legislation, receive that eight million dollars and then turn it back in to the use in those areas that are needed. That would be the thing to do."

"And I'll tell my school superintendents to do that. They'll love the idea."

"And some of that 25 million also."

"Mr. Stuffle."

"Well, we'd be glad to take that money if he sends it back, but we hope it comes a different way. Frankly, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, there's a difference of opinion on this Bill, but I think the difference of opinion, being legitimate, there are clear reasons to vote "no" on the Bill. Many people have risen here who have supported public education to the nth degree year after year, and I think I've been one of them, along with Representative Hoffman and with Representative McGann. It's no accident that the largest teacher organization in the state that fights hard for education also does not support this. The clear fact is what's left out of 32  143rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 29, 1984 speaking about distribution is that the first part of the distribution is not enrollment. It's sales. And those sales in areas are sales of Lottery tickets. That's where the pie in each region is developed and then through enrollment. That places over three quarters of the money in one ESR, and that's even unfair when you get into downstate areas with what part of the pie they get. If you're in our area, you have three times as many sales basically in one part as the other, because you've got hundreds of people daily coming in from Indiana. And there's no relationship between those sales and the needs back in those districts. The Th point is the Governor will veto the Bill, too. The point is the 15 percent floor is phony. The drop is going to appreciable. The point is that there are alternatives that have been cited on this House floor. There are alternatives that have been in the works that I've looked at and the Chairman of the Committee, Representative Hoffman and Senator Berman and others, day after day, to look at the issue. Now, they don't produce the kind of revenue this does, but no one is going to produce the kind of revenue this does, because this is going to fail. There's a proposal to produce 50 million through a tax on soft drinks, a proposal to produce 50 million through dealing with... to 70 million through dealing with car sales and three or four other proposals that would generate realistic revenue. And those proposals also suggest that that money ought to be driven above the Governor's level and the House level through the formula. If we believe that the formula is fair, then why not apply it here? Why apply this distribution method that's unfair? And, as I say, the bottom line is, this game is ridiculous. The GovernoΣ will veto this Bill as clear as the sun came up today. If you want to put your vote on it and pass it, 33  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day June 29, 1984 fine, but you've gotten nothing in the bargain. You will have pushed back all the efforts to do some other alternative that may work. You will have nothing above the Governor's level to go home with, and we know that today. And I say that with all due respect to my good friend who is working hard for public education, Representative McGann. We need to defeat this Bill and this Motion today and come back and look at the other alternatives and be fair to the districts of this state, whether they're in Chicago or downstate, whether the schools are black or white or whatever they happen to be. This is a bad idea, and the Governor knows it, and we know he's going to veto it. And he's right this time, and I'd say that's rare from my prospective."

"Mr. Flinn."

"Well, Mr. Speaker, I agree with you. We've heard enough of this. I move the previous question."

"Gentleman moves the previous question. Those in favor say 'aye', those opposed say "no". The 'ayes' have it. And Mr. McGann is recognized to close."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the Assembly. I... It just shocks me unbelievable. And actually it's almost bringing tears to my eyes to listen to this nonsense that we have heard from the opponents of this piece of legislation. First of all, if we had complied with the intent of the law, as far as the Lottery tax was concerned, we would not have any problem in funding education because they would have had the 100 percent instead of drib drab that's taken out of it and used in other agencies of the state. That's number one. Number two, if this most concerned Governor that we're talking... giving such... to today would fund according to the mandate of the State of Illinois, we would not be in this problem. We would not 34  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day June 29, 1984 have this problem because we would be having almost 300 million dollars more from the 38 percent to 50 percent to take care of the children in the State of Illinois. Now all of you who've come around, you've all got good ideas, and I respect everyone of you and I respect your ideas. But you haven't come up with one this time. Now it's almost at the end of the Session. Our schools are dangling out there wondering what we're going to do, and we've got to have the guts to forget what the Governor's going to veto but do what we're supposed to do on this House floor. I ask you - there is no relevancy to previous speakers' thoughts about the surcharge in interfering with any other part of the funding, none whatsoever. If it goes down in 15 percent and we lose money, we stop it. Monies are returning from whence they came. This legislation is not unfair. It's not taking away from one region and giving to another. It is going back to where those 25 cents are earned. This is the only solution we have at this late date, outside of raising real estate sales or income tax. It is truly the only turn available. If you vote against this legislation, be prepared to defend your vote. When our educational institutions witness financial chaos this fall, be prepared to tell those people you didn't want eight million, you didn't want four million, three million. I ask you, for the children of Illinois, to give me an 'aye' vote. Thank you."

"The question is, 'Shall the House concur in Senate Amendments #1, 2 and 3 to House Bill 1563?' Those in favor will signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Representative Nelson, to explain her vote."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, this is not the way to fund education in this 35  143rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 29, 1984 state. The Lottery is an unpredictable, erratic source of funding - not what we need for the school children. It is absolutely, as Representative Stuffle said, correct that another plan is still possible at this point, and I'm glad that the House seems to be defeating this, which proposal is self-defeating in the first place, for another time. People who buy Lottery tickets in this state, buy five dollars a week's worth or fifty dollars a week's worth, and they will continue to buy at that rate, no matter what the price of an individual'sticket is, or they will quit buying tickets because they will begin to perceive this as a regressive tax on those who can least afford it. I'm happy to see that all those red votes are up there."

"Representative O'Connell, tc explain his vote."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I just want to respond to some of the comments that were made in this debate. One of the comments was that this is not the intent of the Lottery. Well, I wasn't around when the Lottery was enacted several years ago, but I have heard of the purposes for which the Lottery was intended. And the specific purpose for which it passed was that it was to be a funding tool for education. Now Representative McGann bas presented us with that tool for education, and the same people that were probably voting for the Lottery at that time for that reason are voting against the Bill now. Secondly, there was Some talk about promises made and promises broken. This has no relevance to that. The promise is being made that the 25 percent of the investment for a Lottery ticket is going to go to education. That is not a promise. That's a guarantee. It will be embedded into a state statute that will require that that money go to education. I just cannot understand, when we are looking at so many alternatives that no one has come up 36  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day June 29, 1984 with, we come up with a rational, realistic approach and we get all those 'no' votes up there. As Representative McGann indicated, someone's going to have to defend this proposal, this vote, when they go back to their districts next week."

"Representative Ropp, to explain his vote."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. Because of the fact that we have some three or four Committees that are studying this very earnestly and will be coming up with their conclusions before long, it would be unwise to support this Bill. In supporting this Bill, it's somewhat like paving a road to help education with quicksand."

"Representative Giorgi, to explain his vote."

"Mr. Speaker, I happen to have handled the Lottery Bill. In 1972, when the Lottery was first passed, half of the proceeds were to go for education, but the Lottery only passed the House. In 1973, when the Lottery Bill was enacted into law, when the Bill left the House, there were four Amendments on it - 25 percent to go to schools, 25 percent to go to scholarships, 25 percent for elderly programs and 25 percent to municipalities and counties and townships - and that did not get out of the Senate. Governor Walker, in 1972, vowed that he would veto the Lottery if it was ever enacted. After he was elected, he took a poll of his own throughout the State of Illinois and found that 80 percent of the people favored the Lottery. The only reason the Lottery was enacted, and I'm ashamed to admit it here, was because the RTA needed 70 million dollars. And because they were going to give the RTA 70 million dollars, Governor Walker thought the Lottery could replenish that 70 million dollars we were going to take out of the General Revenue Fund to enact the Lottery. Now, that's the facts. If you go into your newspaper morgue, 37  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day you'll find that what I'm telling was... June 29, 1984 you is the truth. I Walker signed the Bill in Rockford dubbing me the father of the Lottery. And I should be doing something about this, but I'll vote 'present'."

"Representative McAuliffe, to explain his vote."

"Very briefly, Mr. Speaker. I'm going to vote for this Bill, although I know if it passes, next year Chicago Board of Education will be back down here asking for another 100 million dollars. The people that are running the Board of Education in Chicago don't know what they're doing. It's a gigantic rat hole that sucks up all the taxpayers' monies. In the twelve years that I've been down here, every Session it's the same thing. The last two or three days we've got to bail them out because they cannot manage their affairs properly. And to pay the Superintendent of Schools in Chicago a 125,000 dollars a year and have her come down here and ask for money is a crime. But in the interest of the taxpayers of Chicago, I will vote for this Bill."

"Mr. Huff, to explain his vote."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I'm voting 'aye' and supporting this measure because I know that I am acting in accordance with the long-held common belief of the voters and taxpayers in Chicago that this money was to be used for education. I agree with some of the critics who say that we'll only be doing this again next year. If you'll recall, last year we gave the Board of Education 190 million dollars, and we are still down here. And the reason for that is because I think it's a euphemism, Ladies and Gentlemen, to say that we are saving education. We are not saving education. What we are doing is looking after the welfare of the Chicago's Teachers' Union who have gotten 90 percent of the 190 million dollars 38  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCBIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day June 29, 1984 we gave them last year. It doesn't take a great wizard to realize that the monies that we are giving is not helping the children of Chicago. A hundred and ninety million dollars, Ladies and Gentlemen, last year, not one dime of it went for the curriculum betterment. No... Our school kids are still using books that were published in 1948. What we need to do is find a new way to structure our schools, one in which the unions don't have such dominance in. I mean this seriously, Ladies and Gentlemen. The report that we got from the National Commission on Education is a real serious recognition of the educational downfall in this - not only Chicago but the whole nation. We have two million people out of work, who are structurally out of work, meaning they're never going to go back to work. And we need to realize that we're in a global competition with foreign countries who have as their number one priority, Ladies and Gentlemen, education. We need to realize that fact and stop playing games. If the Governor wants to tell the people one thing and do something else with the money, that's his business. But I think the Legislature has the responsibility to tell the Governor that he can't regard the revenues from the Lottery as his own personal possession. And, let me finish this, 80% of the total revenues that constitute the... the Lottery comes from Cook County. Think about that."

"Representative Zwick to explain her vote."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I believe that last time this Bill was up I called it a masquerade, and I certainly haven't changed my mind since then. I believe that education deserves a much more serious approach than simply tagging a surtax on the Lottery. That is simply not going to do it in the long run. Education is a much too serious issue, something that is going to effect all of our lives 39  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day June 29, 1984 far too importantly in the future to be dealt with on a basis of being dependent on a 25% surtax on the Lottery, which may not even help. If you are serious about education, look at making a serious commitment towards education and voting on straight appropriation Bills and on the State of Illinois saying to the people of the state that we are serious about education - not a Lottery surtax, an appropriation, money, funding of education, reform, some of the serious things that we should be looking at. This is not it. I wish it were, but it's not. Thank you. You can't cover your votes by voting for this and saying you're for education. It won't do it."

"Mr. Marzuki to explain his vote."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I think that Representative McGann, and myself and other people have been up the route of making some serious suggestions for the funding of education. These have not come to pass. I think that Representative McGann is serious about trying to get money for education. The Lottery, in the minds of most people, was put into effect for that purpose. Yes, I think I would agree that we should do this. When it comes to funding education, we ought to be serious about it. We ought to provide the revenue for it. We ought to provide what the Constitution says. We haven't done it, and this is a scheme that would bring six million dollars to my district. I doubt very much if I'm going to get it in any other way. I would be very hopeful that all of you people who have made the promise that if this goes down in defeat that that money will come to us from other sources. I, for one, will hold all of you to those promises."

"Representative Oblinger to explain her vote."

"Mr. Speaker and Members of the General Assembly, I 40  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day June 29, 1984 want to say just three things very briefly. Number one, I am in support of this Bill although I have a red light. I voted for the income tax so that you could have money for education. I Cosponsored with Representative Ralph Dunn the Amendment that was killed which would have guaranteed that education would be getting at least 50% of its funding from the State of Illinois. My concern is, I want this to go to a Conference Committee so I know whether it's going to the distributive fund or to the categorical fund, and I think that's very important for all of us who are dealing in education. That's why I'm voting 'no', so there'll be a nonconcurrence, and we can get that straightened out. I am in favor of the concept."

"Mr. Shaw to explain his vote."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. You know, I see an awful lot of red lights up on that board there, and everybody talks about being fair what's fair to their district. Well yesterday, I introduced an Amendment to extend the income tax. If you want a fair method, that would be fair to all of the people of this state. And those of you who have that red vote up on... red light up on that board, you should be willing to vote for the income tax, for the extension of an income tax for schools, but you're not willing to do that. All you want to do is sit there and play to the press and the public about what you are doing down here. Bite the bullet. Extend the half of a percent in income tax and you can have enough money for education all over this state, and we won't have to worry about that. But soon as that Bill... you have a Bill in place, 833, Mr. Speaker, and I hope that you would attach my Amendment on 833 and let's see how many of those red lights would get on extending the income tax. You'll go back to your respective districts 41  143rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OP REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 29, 1984 and tell people what you've done for education. You don't want to fund education. You're not trying to do that. You're just delaying this Session. But what you really should do, and the people... I said the other day, the people will hold you accountable when the schools in September in many districts throughout this state will be closing down striking all over this state. Teachers are not getting any money. Children can't go to school. Parents can't go to work. But yet you talk about you represent the people, and you will not vote for this method. You should be supportive of this method. It's the only method before you, and I think it's a good Bill. And I think the money should go for education. And if you don't want to do that, put an Amendment on it and send all of the money to education like it was supposed to be in the first place."

"Representative Braun to explain her vote."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. The red votes on that board indicate very clearly where the Governor is on this issue. And I have to ask, if the Governor is against using Lottery proceeds to fund education, what is he for? Is he for the children? Well, if he is, he's been cutting education, and we have now fallen to the lowest percentage state contribution to education that we have seen in recent memory. Is he for his constitutional responsibility? Well, the Constitution provides that it's his duty, our duty, to provide for full funding of education, and that ve have primary responsibility for the funding of education. Thirty-eight percent of the state's education Bill is hardly full funding, and we are hardly discharging our constitutional responsibility with the education budget which is passed out of this General Assembly. Is the Governor for fair 42  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day June 29, 1984 taxation policy because there was a lot of discussion of whether or not a Lottery tax was fair. Well, the fairest part of our tax structure, the income tax, is going to... part of it is going to lapse, and without the extension of the income tax, it's very clear that education in this state will suffer a tremendous blow, a cut, inability to raise the money to keep these school systems open. It's not just the Chicago schools, Representative McAuliffe. The Chicago schools are in trouble, but so are the schools in every other school district in this state, and the superintendents came down here to tell us that. It is not just the Chicago schools... are fat either because all the school districts in this state have cut their budgets. And under the Freedom of Information Act, Representative, you're entitled to go look and see what they've done. All of them have cut their budgets. They have cut their budgets to the bone. They are now reaching into marrow, and there's not a nickel in this budget to provide for keeping the schools open. I've got to ask the question, what is the Governor for? If he's not for this, then where is he on the income tax extension? I'd like to see the Bill before this Legislature adjourns."

"Mr. Keane to explain his vote."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think we have to look at this in a straight economic place... in a position of economics. A lot of people are saying that if this twenty-five cents goes on the, especially the dollar Lotto, that we'll kill... we'll kill the Lotto. The other parts of the Lottery aren't paying that much. The real moneymaker is the Lotto. It would be different if we were raising the price of a package of cigarettes from a dollar to a dollar twenty-five, because someone's getting twenty cigarettes for that amount of money. When you are betting, as ve do 43  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day June 29, 1984 in Lotto, if... when you are betting on an eight to sixteen million dollar game and you're going to put cut a dollar, and you're hoping to get back eight or two or five million, you're not going to have much of a difference between putting out one dollar and putting out a dollar and a quarter. People are betting the Lotto game to win millions. The two bits that the Sponsor is attempting to add onto the dollar ticket will make very, very little difference. The Sponsor also pointed out that there is a trigger. If the... If, and I'm sure they're not, but if in fact the Lotto sales go down, if they go down 15%, they kick off. I think it's... he's given as much as he can, and I think the benefits far outweigh, far outweigh any possible loss. And I don't think there will be a loss. They far outweigh the chances of the Lottery having reduced revenues. I would appreciate your green votes."

"Nr. Ronan to explain his vote."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. I have mixed emotions about this piece of legislation because I think this is the worst way to fund education. But let's pay attention. We don't have to be geniuses. It was a year ago that we stood on the floor of the House and had the Republican Leadership rammed down our throat a bad tax package, and I voted for that bad tax package because it was the only game in town. They mandated that we need a year income tax increase and all our problems were going to go away. They mandated it. They ramme rammed it down our throat, and now we're back one year later without sufficient revenues to fund... to fund the vital programS that we need here in the State of Illinois. And because of that bad Leadership last year, we're here using gimmicks and games trying to fund education. The solution to our education problems is the same solution to all of our 44  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day June 29, 1984 problems - a permanent income tax increase; however, I don't seem to find a lot of support from Leadership on either side of the aisle or either chamber for that kind of plan so we come in with the games. Well this is the only game in town. I'm sorry to say I have to say that almost ever speech I give around here. It's June 29th. This is the only way we're going to fund education. There's 90 million dollars for the Chicago system and 140 million dollars plus for the other systems. Let's get of our... our irresponsible votes. Let's get on the right path, and let's fund education. This is not the right way to do it, but it's the only way to do it. And again, I'll condemn the Republican Leadership just like I did last year. They didn't do the job. They hoodwinked the people. They misled the voters. They misled the press. Now we're back having to pay the piper. This isn't the best way to do it, but it's the only way to do it. I urge more 'aye' votes on this bad Bill."

"Representative Satterthwaite to explain her vote."

"Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, this certainly isn't a cure-all. It is certainly not a guarantee that ve are going to have enough money to fund our schools, but I think that ve have built in enough safeguards so that it is not going to lose money for the state or any of the programs funded from the current Lottery. And at the same time, it provides us with a little diversity in regard to how we raise local money for our local school districts. This is not state money. This will be money generated at the local level, distributed back at the local level and going directly to those who have given their money to help to support education at the local level. We have for too long restricted our local 45  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day June 29, 1984 school districts to raising their taxes in only one way, by the real estate tax. We know that the real estate tax is one of the most onerous for our constituents, and so I think we deserve to give our constituents an alternative route to give local funding to their local school districts. It does not excuse us at the state level from providing them with additional money, whether it be through used car sales, cigarette tax, liquor tax, any other kind of tax that you can think of for collecting at the state level and getting that back to the local districts. But this is one way where it can be pinpointed directly to its region of origin and where it can broaden the base of taxation in the kinds of ways that money can be raised for our local schools, not a cure-all, just one tiny little drop in helping the local school district help itself."

"Representative DeJaegher to explain his vote."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Contrary to what Mr. McGann says, this is not the only game in town. We still have an opportunity to restore funding for education, and I'm willing to stay as long as that's necessary to do this. But when we talk about doing something for education pertaining to Lottery what we have to realize is this, in the event that particular fund should diminish, what's going to happen to Public Aid? What's going to happen to the Senior Citizens' Program? What's going to be happening to Disability Assistance Programs? What's going to be happening to the Mental Health Program? These are the things that we have to look forward to in the event this particular program diminishes. And you think that that quarter is not going to make a difference. Let me give you a classic example. When you're approached on the street corner by some individual, and that individual asks you for 46  STATE OP ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day June 29, 1984 a dollar contribution, you're going to give that person that dollar and think nothing of it. Put when that person asks you for a dollar and a quarter, you're going to think twice about contributing. Believe me, once the Lottery Fund starts diminishing you will never restore it to its present accountability. As Mr. Hoffman has just got through saying, 'It's already diminished by three million dollars in one week's time. What type of effect will this have? This is not the way to fund education. We must turn this Bill down."

"Have all voted who wish? Mr. Brookins to explain his vote."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Let me just point out to you that we're... have talked for years and years concerning pulling up by your boot straps. I have heard that all of my life. This is an opportunity to pull up by our boot straps because I submit to you that in the districts where the Lottery is played is in the district where the public schools needs the funds the most. I've heard that you say that you want to fund the social programs, the mental health, the jails, out of the Lottery money. I submit to you that if we were fair, we need to abolish the Lottery altogether and pay for it out of the income tax that it should come from. The Lottery is draining those communities that needs the services most, and we're talking about not allowing the Lottery to pay for the folks to go to school that need to go the most. I'm amazed to hear people talk about how interested they are in education and do not want to provide not one dime toward that goal. That has always amazed me. There should be more green votes on that board. And you who talk about education, I'm sure that you want it only for yourself me, wine and no more. Forget the others. That should not be the way the game is 47  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day played."

June 29, 1984 "Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question, there are 55 'ayes', and 58 'nos'. Mr. McGann requests a Poll of the Absentees."

"Poll of the Absentees. Krska and Saltsman."

"Mr. Saltsman."

"Record me as voting 'aye'."

"Record Mr. Saltsman as 'aye'. For what purpose does Mr. Panayotovich seek recognition?"

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I had my light on, and I wanted to explain my vote, if that's alright."

"Proceed."

"Thank you. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, as a former school teacher both in southern Cook County and the Chicago Board of Education, we used to have it a policy in the schools we taught to have our students learn about their elected officials; to learn who their Governor was, their Lieutenant Governor, Secretary of State, Comptroller, Treasurer, their State Senator, their State Representative, their Mayor, their elected officials locally. And I just think that after this Bill, if it does happen to go down, we should go back to these schools and have a list made of all the people that closed the schools throughout the state."

"We had just completed a Poll of the Absentees, and Mr. Clerk, what is the count? On this question, there are 56 'aye', 58 'no'. The Motion fails. Mr. McGann."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the Assembly. I would now move for nonconcurrence with Senate Bill... House Bill 1563."

"Mr. McGann moves that the House does nonconcur in Senate Amendments #1, 2 and 3 to House Bill 1563. Those 48  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 29, 1984 143rd Legislative Day in favor say 'aye", those opposed say 'no". The 'ayes' have it, and the House does not concur in the Senate Amendments. The Chair recognizes Mr. Giglio for the purposes of an announcement."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Hopefully we won't be here on July the 6th, and we're privileged to have with us today and he'd like share some of that good food with us, but Representative Panayotovich will be a comfortable 38 next week. And we've got cake and coffee in Representative Greiman's Office for Members of the House. Please join us."

"Mr. Greiman, would you come to the Chair?"

"Messages from the Senate."

"A Message from the Senate by Mr. Wright, Secretary. Mr. Speaker, I'm directed to inform the House of Representatives that the Senate has refused to concur with the House in the adoption of their Amendments to the following Bills: Senate Bills 1743, 1841, 1943. Like Message for Senate Bills 1538, 1547 and 1541, action taken by the Senate June 29th, 1984. Kenneth Wright, Secretary.""

"On the Order of Concurrence, on page five of the Calendar, appears House Bill 3110. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3110 amends an Act in relationship to regulation of business and vocational schools together with Senate Amendment #1."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Madigan."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, House Bill 3110 deals with the question of reform of the trade schools in Illinois. The House previously passed legislation which would streamline the regulatory procedures and better equip the State Board of Education to 49  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day June 29, 1984 regulate in this area and better equip that Agency to move quickly and expeditiously against institutions which are found to be in violation of the regulatory law. The Senate Amendment provides that there would be a clarification in the area of the educational institutions to be regulated by the Bill. I would move for the House to concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 3110."

"The Gentleman from Cook has moved that the House do concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 3110. And on that, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall the House concur in Senate Amendment #1?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is now open. This is final action. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 117 voting 'aye', none voting 'no', none voting 'present', and the House does concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 3110. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Madigan in the Chair."

"On page six of the Calendar, on the Order of Total Vetoes there appears House Bill 1399. The Chair recognizes Representative Pullen."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies..."

"Mr. Clerk... Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 1399 amends the Illinois Abortion Law."

"Representative Pullen."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This Bill was before us a couple of months ago in the form of a Conference Committee Report, which this House and, of course, the Senate also adopted and was unfortunately this week vetoed by Governor Thompson. I come before you now with a Motion to override his veto so 50  143rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 29, 1984 that the Illinois Abortion Act may be brought into conformance with recent Federal Court decisions and be held constitutional in its entirety. I now move the override of the Governor's veto."

"Representative Pullen has moved that House Bill 1399 become law, not... despite the veto of the Governor. On that question, the Chair recognizes Mr. Greiman." Greiman: constitutional "Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Abortion Bills are not like fine wine. They do not get better with time. I said on this floor, as did others, that this Bill was unconstitutional, that it violated the mandate of many, many cases, and that it had been before the Federal District Court in this District, the Federal District Court in... the Federal Court of Appeals and the Supreme Court of the United States. The Governor in his veto message has similarly outlined the unconstitutionality of it. He has suggested, as a matter of fact, that his own attitude in terms of the ethics or ethos or, as he calls it, the morality of abortion may have changed but not his commitment to a government and to a constitutional process. And so... And I quote from the Governor's message. He says, "I think it is wrong of the General Assembly to continue to pass abortion Bills which are clearly unconstitutional on their face. Such a practice not only mocks the Constitution, but falsely and cruelly raises the hopes and emotions of people to whom abortion is anathema only to have them dashed by actions of governors and Judges who are bound under the Constitution to uphold the law." This Bill is no more constitutional today then it was when we passed it, then it was when the Governoг vetoed it. So why vote for unconstitutional legislation? Everyone in this room knows that this Bill, if passed, will be in the courts Monday morning; that this 51  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day June 29, 1984 Bill, if passed, will be enjoined by Monday afternoon; that this Bill, if passed, will be held unconstitutional in the Circuit Court, in the District Court, in the United States Supreme Court. So why? The reasons then must be politics. So I want to just talk for a minute, not about this Bill, but about the politics of abortion. I hear Members say, 'Oh, you know, I don't really care about the issue but my district, you know, the voters.' I tell you within the next decade we will see an end to abortion as an issue in American politics. It is ending. Two million American women that come of age each year, they will say 'no' to the politics of abortion. And what of the politics in Illinois? Have we ever had a springtime - a primary that weren't clearly stated the politics of abortion? Percy is pro-choice. He's voted in the Senate pro-choice. Cochran takes him on, gets destroyed in the Republican primary. In the Democratic primary, four candidates, three are pro-choice. Three say they're pro-choice. One, one candidate is pro-life. You would suppose that all the hotbed, and all the fury and all the fire of the pro-life forces would rally behind and do it for him. And he ends up in an unenviable position in that battle, although he is... was a fine candidate and is a good Member of this General Assembly, because the politics of abortion are in your mind - not in the streets, not in the homes of this state - but in your minds. Free yourself. Free yourselves, and vote for constitutional government and vote in this case with the Governor to sustain his veto. Thank you."

"Representative Zwick."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. I think that in order to follow on Representative Greiman's thoughts, because they were so well said, there's not much 52  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day June 29, 1984 more that can be added, so that I don't want to really speak to you as someone who is pro-choice speaking against this Bill, even though I am. That's not the issue here. How many times has this Bill been before us? It is clearly unconstitutional. In these last few days of the legislative Session, we're sitting here wrestling with money for education, very serious issues, things that we should be here considering seriously. To consider an override on a clearly unconstitutional Bill simply because we... we want to make a point about some pro-choice versus pro-life issue, this is not the people's business that we should be carrying on down here. We shouldn't be sitting here fighting this silly battle over whether it's constitutional or not, trying to win our people at home support for us because we're standing up making a silly argument either pro-abortion or anti-abortion when that is not the issue. The issue is, do we want to spend money to go back to court to fight another battle over a Bill that has been ruled repeatedly unconstitutional? Whether you're pro-choice or pro-life or whatever your feeling is on the issue, that's not what we're voting on here today. What we're voting on is how long you want to carry on this charade, how long you think that you can... you can stand up here and vote for Bills that are unconstitutional so that the people at home will think you're pro-life. That's just a... It's a silly thing to be doing. It's not what we're supposed to be doing down here right now. Let's get on to the serious business at hand. Let's deal with the issues that we can really affect. We don't have any effect by voting on this Bill. It's unconstitutional. Thank you."

"Representative O'Connell to explain his vote."

"Иг. Speaker, point of order. Is it to explain my 53  143rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 29, 1984 vote or to talk on the Bill?"

"State your point."

"Mr. Speaker, you said to explain my vote. We haven't voted yet."

"Is that your point, Mr. O'Connell?"

"May I proceed? May I speak to the Bill, Mr. Speaker?"

"Please."

"Thank you. I am not going to speak on the substantive issue of whether the Bill... whether you should be pro-life or pro-choice. I'm going to speak strictly to the constitutional question that's been raised by several of the previous speakers. The reason why House Bill 1399 was tendered this Session is because House Bill 521, of which I was the Sponsor, was vetoed by the Governor. Unfortunately because this General Assembly was not in Session for the requisite period of time after which the General Assembly would override or take action on the override of a veto, the Bill left vetoed. Consequently, House Bill 521, which was designed to address potential constitutional defects in House Bill 520, which was enacted into law, was never enacted. The constitutional defects, which was the subject of the recent court case was never incorporated into the abortion law. House Bill 1399 is just the attempt to incorporate into the existing law those potential defects particularly with parental notification of abortion into the existing law of the State of Illinois. In that regard, all the arguments before this, as to whether we should waste time and money expended to enact unconstitutional laws, should go unheeded because this is precisely that. In the Governor's veto... message, he doesn't address what provisions of 1399 he feels will be constitutionally defective. That's because House Bill 1399 54  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day June 29, 1984 is not constitutionally defective. It is addressed precisely to correct those defects which were attempted to correct... be corrected in previous legislation and which because of procedural difficulties was never enacted. I'd ask you to vote to make our laws constitutional and vote for the override of the Governor's veto of House Bill 1399."

"Mr. Hoffman."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. With all due respect to my colleague, Representative Pullen, I rise in opposition to this Motion to override the Governor's veto. One of my biggest concerns... I'm not going to address the question of constitutionality - unconstitutionality because I think that the Governor spells that out fairly clearly in his veto message. But one of my concerns about this kind of activity is the fact that we will expend resources on both sides as we go to litigation on this and that it, in fact, has a tendency to raise the hopes of those people who are... are opposed to this particular position that somehow something which in reality has been judged unconstitutional can become law. It's for these reasons, more than any other, that I urge you to vote to sustain the Governor's veto."

"Representative Keane."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It's a shame that the State of Illinois has spent as much on the judicial system as we have, when we have found on our floor of the House many, many judicial experts who are constantly telling us when a Bill doesn't suit their idea of what the Bill should say that the Bill is unconstitutional. We also have a Governor, who came out of the judicial system or came out of the legal system at least, and he also has become an 55  143rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 29, 1984 expert in telling us what's constitutional and what is not constitutional. I think we've all seen a trend in recent years or since the present federal administration has taken... has had an influence on the U.S. Supreme Court, that the Court is becoming more conservative in its opinions. Representative O'Connell used previous judicial decisions to show that this Bill, as it went to the Governor, was indeed constitutional. I think that the fear of those who are opposing this legislation is that it will be found constitutional. So the great bugaboo that one cries as a reason for not passing a Bill such as this and the Governor for not signing a Bill such as this is is that it's not constitutional. Let the Bill go forward. Let it go to the judicial system, and let's have a pronunciation on it by the judicial system. Thank you."

"Representative Nelson."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. There is no one who takes the pro-choice position that is for abortion, but what we recognize is that this is a country with many diverse religious and philosophical views and that this is a very, very private decision that ought to be left up to the individual. Because I believe most people have their minds made up on this issue, I would only like to ask that in case this vote receives the requisite number of votes, I would request a verification."

"Representative Currie."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. Would the Sponsor yield to a question?"

"The Sponsor indicates that she will yield."

"Representative Pullen, over the last 11 years this General Assembly has passed many abortion Bills that have later been held unconstitutional by the courts. Could you give us an idea as to how much money it has cost the 56  143rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 29, 1984 taxpayers of this state to defend this General Assembly against those Bills later found unconstitutional?"

"Mr. Speaker, I respectfully consider that question to be rhetorical and respectfully will nct answer it."

"TO the Bill, Mr. Speaker. Clearly it's cost the taxpayers a bundle. Year after year, this General Assembly has passed Bills patently unconstitutional in the area of choice. The Governor of the State, the present Governor of the State, has consistently vetoed unconstitutional abortion Bills, and he has consistently, in the face of override by this General Assembly, turned out to have been right. On House Bill 1399, the Governor's veto message assures us that this Bill does not meet the constitutional requirements imposed by the courts of this land. I think on the basis of his track record rather than on our own, we would be well advised to accept his statement to strike down this Motion and to save the taxpayers of this state money that might better be spent someplace else. Representative O'Connell wonders precisely wherein this Bill might still be unconstitutional. let me suggest a few items. First, we show no legitimate state interest in the inflexible 24 hour waiting period. The notification requirement in the Bill may well have the same deterrent effect as the... consent statutes that have been prohibited by court action. There's no specific procedure to guarantee anonymity at trial and on appeal. There's no... no way of knowing what the definition of reckless conduct with respect to a physician might be. Those are a few items for the General Assembly to consider. Obviously, the Governor considered those items when he said he vetoed this Bill because it is on its face unconstitutional. The wise course for us, whatever our individual positions on the topic that is the subject of House Bill 1399, the wise and 57  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day June 29, 1984 responsible action for us is to... is to vote 'no' on the Lady's Motion."

"Mr. Van Duyne."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I nove the previous question."

"The Gentleman moves the previous question. Those in favor sa ay y 'aye', those opposed say 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The previous guestion is moved. The Chair recognizes Representative Pullen to close."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. It is touching to know the concern of certain of my colleagues over the hopes and aspirations of those who wish to protect life in this state. I'm sure those people will be glad to know that they have expressed those concerns about their hopes and aspirations. The fact is that there is a law on our statute books that does in some small way seek to limit and restrict abortions in terms of protecting the woman involved and in terms of protecting babies that are clearly capable of sustaining life outside of the mother. That law has been challenged in court and certain Sections of it have been enjoined. That law still stands on the books, however, and to suggest that we should not seek to amend those Sections that have been enjoined in order to make them stand before the court and the courts own unique logic is to suggest that we should not have any law on the books restricting abortion at all to the point where we should simply allow abortion on demand anytime, anywhere, anyplace for any reason, and I reject that sort of thinking. And I think the majority of people, the strong majority of people in this House reject that sort of thinking. You see, this Bill is not an attempt to pass constant... provisions that have been ruled unconstitutional. It is rather an attempt to be certain 58  143rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 29, 1984 that our abortion statute will meet the court tests of constitutionality. It is unfortunate that some of the people on this House floor clearly have not read this Bill in the context of the recent Supreme Court decisions last June, because a year ago, the Supreme Court upheld certain provisions of laws in Akron, Ohio and in Missouri. And those provisions are written into our law through this Bill. Those provisions were upheld by the Supreme Court, and the last I saw, the Supreme Court is above the District Court in Chicago or any other court in this land. Those provisions have been upheld a year ago. Why should we not avail ourselves of the opportunity to have those protections in our law when those have been ruled permissible for any other state. This Bill, Ladies and Gentlemen, is an effort, a comprehensive one, several pages long, detailed to clean up our Abortion Act, if you will, to bring it into conformity with recent Federal Court decisions, to update it, to say in 1984 it is the will of the General Assembly that this is the way it should read regardless of how it has read in the past, so that there may be protections. It is a responsible Bill, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, no matter how it has been characterized by others, and it is well worth passing. There are lives at stake, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, and what cost can be put on those lives. There is every reason to believe that this Bill will be effective and will stand. And if the National Organization for Women says it's unconstitutional that does nct make it So. I urge the adoption of this Motion to cverride the veto of House Bill 1399. Thank you."

"The question is, 'Shall House Bill 1399 pass, the veto of the Governor notwithstanding?' This will be a final action Roll Call. Those in favor will signify by 59  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OP REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day June 29, 1984 voting 'aye, those opposed by voting 'no'. Mr. Johnson to explain his vote."

"Just... Just an observation, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. The last speaker in opposition to this Bill on the other side of the aisle, and I think some of the same arguments were made on this side of the aisle, was the same speaker when we were debating a seat belt Bill who made some really interesting points. One of the points she made in this debate was, it's unconstitutional. The seat belt Bill and the People versus 'Frys' was absolutely... the absolute case right on point vas also unconstitutional. Talk about personal freedom and personal liberty, and yet you're willing to tell a person that doesn't wear a seat belt that they're a criminal for taking care of their own life. Talk about the cost of enforcement and yet everybody agreed that to try to put three million people in jail under the seat belt Bill would be absolutely ludicrous. When you talk about protecting life and how important life is and so forth when you talk about the seat belt Bill, when people have a conscious decision to make on their own, and yet you turn around in the situation where somebody has absolutely no choice, an unborn child, and you're not concerned about that life. I find those interesting arguments and an interesting contrast. I have mixed emotions about the Bill, but I'm going to vote 'aye."

"Mr. McGann to explain his vote."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the Assembly. I have before me a publication from today's Chicago Sun - Times, and I would like to have read into the record. 'Bernardin Asked Override of Antiabortion Fill Vetoed. Cardinal Joseph Bernardin yesterday called for a legislative override of Governor Thompson's veto of a Bill prohibiting abortions based on the sex of the fetus. 60  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day June 29, 1984 Bernardin also opposed a Section of the vetoed Bill requiring two doctors to be present during the abortion of a live birth. The Catholic position on abortion is not based on what is legal or illegal from a constitutional point of view but what is ethical or unethical from a moral viewpoint." Bernardin made this statement through a prepared statement, and I urge a lot of green votes. Thank you."

"Representative Alexander to explain her vote."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think this is a very sad day that when we permit our thinkings to channel us to continue to fund money into an area that is unconstitutional, draining the public funds. I think it's sad when we allow that thinking to... flow that we cannot see with the recent Bill that just went down with regards to the 25% surtax which would bring about education for our children, which would bring about an intelligence about parenting and how to take care of themselves, that we would put that many green votes up there for a cause that has already been declared unconstitutional by the Governor of this state and those of us who realize that it is unconstitutional. It's a sad day for this General Assembly."

"Mr. Shaw to explain his vote."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. No. In case this get the number of votes required, I would ask for a verification."

"Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. For what purpose does Representative Nelson seek recognition?"

"Mr. Speaker, I had asked for a verification earlier, you may recall."

"There are 76 'ayes' and 31 'nos'. Representative Pullen requests a Poll of the Absentees. 61  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day June 29, 1984 Proceed with the Poll of the Absentees."

"Poll of the Absentees. Huff. Ronan and Taylor. No further."

"Representative Nelson requests a verification. Would the Members please be in their chairs? Would the Members please be in their chairs? And the Clerk shall proceed to read the Affirmative Roll Call. Mr. Vitek."

"Could I be verified now, Sir?"

"Representative Nelson. Mr. Vitek is verified. Mr. Van Duyne. Representative Nelson, would you verify Mr. Van Duyne? Mr. Van Duyne is verified. Representative Nelson, would you verify Mr. Christensen? Mr. Christensen is verified. Representative Nelson, would you verify that... so Mr. Hastert is verified and Mr. Harris is verified, and Representative Barnes is verified, and Representative McMaster, and Mr. Vinson. Representative Nelson, in the center aisle, would you verify Mr. Rea? And the Clerk shall now proceed to a verification."

"Poll of the Affirmative. Barger. Barnes. Berrios. Breslin. Brummer. Brunsvold. Bullock. Capparelli. Christensen. Churchill. Curran. Daniels. Davis. DeJaegher. DiPrima. Domico. Doyle. Ralph Dunn. Ewing. Farley. Flinn. Dwight Friedrich. Giglio. Giorgi. Hannig. Harris. Hastert. Hawkinson. Hensel. Homer. Johnson. Karpiel. Keane. Koehler. Krska. Kulas. Laurino. LeFlore. Leverenz. Matijevich. Mautino. Mays. McAuliffe. McCracken. McGann. McMaster. Mulcahey. Nash. Neff. Oblinger. O'Connell. Olson. Panayotovich. Pangle. Bernard Pedersen. William Peterson. Piel. Preston. Pullen. Rea. Ryder. Saltsman. Slape. Stuffle. Tate. Terzich. Topinka. Tuerk. Van Duyne. Vinson. Vitek. Winchester. Wojcik. Wolf. McNamara. And Mr. Speaker." 62  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day June 29, 1984

"Representative Nelson, would you verify Mr. Brunsvold? Are there any questions?"

"Just a few, Mr. Speaker. Representative LeFlore."

"Mr. LeFlore. Is Mr. LeFlore in the chamber? How is Mr. LeFlore recorded?"

"The Gentleman's recorded as voting 'aye'."

"Remove Mr. LeFlore. Representative Nelson, would you verify Representative Nash? Representative Nelson, would you verify Mr. Capparelli in front?"

"Yes."

"Are there further questions?"

"Representative Tate."

"Mr. Tate is in the chamber."

"Representative Taylor."

"How is Mr. Taylor recorded?"

"The Gentleman's not recorded as voting."

"Representative Giglio."

"Mr. Giglio is in his chair."

"Representative Leverenz."

"Mr. Leverenz. Is Mr. Leverenz in the chamber? How is Mr. Leverenz recorded?"

"The Gentleman's recorded as voting 'aye'."

"Remove Mr. Leverenz."

"Representative Preston."

"Mr. Preston. How is Mr. Preston recorded?"

"The Gentleman's recorded as voting 'aye'."

"Mr. Preston is in the aisle. Are there further questions?"

"Representative DeJaegher."

"Mr. DeJaegher is in the chamber."

"Representative Laurino."

"Mr. Laurino is in his chair."

"No more questions, Mr. Speaker." 63  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day June 29, 1984

"On this question, there are 74 'ayes', 31 'nos'. This Motion, having received a Three-Fifths Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed, notwithstanding the... notwithstanding the veto of the Governor. The House would just stand at ease for a couple of minutes. On page two of the Calendar, on the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading, there appears Senate Bill 1893. Mr. Clerk, what is the next Amendment?"

"Senate Bill 1893 has been read a second time previously. Amendment #59, Daniels."

"Mr. Greiman. Mr. Greiman."

"Amendment... On Amendment 59, the Gentlemen from DuPage, Mr. Daniels."

"Mr. Speaker, I would move to table Amendments 59 through 92."

"The Gentleman from DuPage has moved to table... The Gentleman from DuPage has moved to table Amendments 59 through 92. And on that, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Madigan."

"Mr. Speaker, I join Mr. Daniels in supporting this Motion."

"Further discussion? The Gentleman from Bureau, Mr. Mautino."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. For the record, about an hour and a half ago I filed Amendment #94 to this legislation. I am not certain whether 90 is the last Amendment on the desks. I would like to have information concerning the Amendment #94 that was filed."

"Mr. Mautino, 94 has not been distributed. It's in the process of being printed, Sir."

"And then I'm assuming that you're saying that 94... Amendment 94 will have the opportunity to be presented on Senate Bill 1893. Is that correct?" 64  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day June 29, 1984

"Well, we are at... we are on a Motion that covers 59 through 92. When we get to that Order of Business and that Motion we will address it."

"Are there any Amendments on anyone's desk then for Amendment 93? Is that on anyone's desk?"

"Mr. Bullock, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"

"Well, Mr. Speaker, point of order. The Motion before us by the Minority Leader is on 59 through 92. The Motion is... in supported by the Majority Leader. I think if we can dispense with this Motion, perhaps we could then entertain questions and query on subsequent Amendments."

"Your point is well taken, Mr. Bullock. Further discussion? The Gentleman from Effingham on the Motion, Mr. Brummer."

"Yes, the Motion is to table 59 through what number?"

"92."

"Well, I guess it seems to me that it's reasonable to attempt to address Representative Mautino's question or possibly we want to divide the question with regard to this Motion. And I think that would be in order. I do think that it would be fair that the... the maker of the Motion would indicate what... what he plans he do and what is planned between and among Leadership should this prevail. There's a Motion to table 60... 33 Amendments here, and obviously, there is some deal been cut with at least some of the Leadership. That may... That may be a good idea, and I may agree with it, but I think it's reasonable that we be advised as to what is intended prior to being asked to vote. Could the... Could the maker of the Motion indicate what he plans to do should this prevail?"

"Alright, the Gentleman from Effingham has asked for division of the... of the question. Yes, Mr. Brummer." 65  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day Brummer: I June 29, 1984 "No, I did not ask for a division of the question. I... indicated that was one other alternative to provide some time for the Representative from Pureau to have his Amendment distributed. But what I did specifically ask the maker of the Motion what the... what the plans were after this Motion prevailed, if in fact it does prevail. I think it's fair that the Membership know what's... what's going to occur subsequently in making a decision as to whether or not to support this Motion."

"Well, you may certainly ask him if he chooses Brummer: to yield, Mr. Brummer. That's within your right." "Will the Sponsor yield?"

"Indicates that he'll yield."

"Will you now answer the question?"

"The question is, what do I plan to do next?"

"Should this Motion prevail."

"I'm not sure. Okay. I had... I hope that you will join me in supporting this Motion so that the Amendments that have been filed now, I believe, 94 can be dealt with in an expeditious manner, so that we can move forward with considering the question as to whether or not, one, we would like to have in the State of Illinois an aggressive tourism program which would include very exciting and interesting provisions for the State of Illinois from our southern, to central to northern parts, as well as a program which would provide for the potential of having a very exciting World's Fair in the year 1992. Now, I say potential, Mr. Brummer, because it appears that there are forces up north that are working against that and we want to monitor those ourselves. And then thirdly, to assist the City of Chicago in its expansion program of McCormick Place."

"Is it the maker of the Motion's intention to offer 66  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day Amendment #93 and support that?"

"Yes, Sir." June 29, 1984

"And I trust at that point this issue would go to a Conference Committee."

"That would be my suggestion to the Body."

"Okay. Thank you."

"Further discussion? The Gentleman from Vermilion, Mr. Stuffle."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, would the Sponsor yield?"

"He indicates that he will."

"Am I to understand then that... I heard part of that. You're to proceed with 93, I understand. We're to go to Conference. But with regard to 94, it's your intention to also support that particular Amendment? It's not your intention. Thank you."

"Further discussion? Mr. Mautino."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question was parliamentary in nature. You are eliminating... or withdrawing those Amendments to 92. You are addressing 93. 94 has been submitted to the Clerk. As a Member of this House, I would appreciate having Amendment 94 considered by this Body and appreciate the opportunity to present a program, which in my estimation, is an excellent approach to the problem of a statewide financing tourism, conservation, World's Fair, McCormick Place..."

"Well, Mr... Mr. Mautino..."

"I would like to have..."

"...I have not cut you off because I understand your... strong feelings of the matter, but that's not quite a parliamentary inquiry, Sir."

"Well, then..."

"But when we get there, if we are in a posture to consider that, we will consider it." 67  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day June 29, 1984

"Well, I guess that what we're saying at this time then is... is whether or not the Amendment will be distributed in time. But most importantly, whether or not the two Leaders have decided that after 93 the Fill will be voted upon. If that is the case, then I would have to oppose the Motion to withdraw all of those Amendments which are not on my desk between the numbers of 59 and 93."

"The Gentleman from Hardin, Mr. Winchester, on the Motion."

"Well, it's always been, I think, courtesy of the Membership and the Speaker of the House that he would extend to Members who have Amendments that are... been filed, and being printed and waiting to be circulated to be considered. Now, in order for me and a lot of other downstate Republican and Democrats to understand what we're doing here, if we table up to Amendment #90, then we're not going to be given the opportunity to discuss Amendment #94. Is that your understanding, Mr. Speaker?"

"My response to Mr. Mautino is that when we get to that point, then we will see where we are. The Amendment may be here. It may not be. The maker of the... The Sponsor... has a right to ask at that point for tabling if the Bill (sic Amendment) is not ready to be heard, and I'm... I'm not going to... I'm not prepared to give you an advisory opinion. But... listen to you and to give you every courtesy, Mr. Winchester."

"Well, thank you very much, Mr. Speaker, because you've always been courteous, and you've always been very helpful. But I would like to say that this is a very important Amendment to downstate Illinois that I think could jeopardize a lot of other programs that's being considered on this House floor and will be considered future on this House floor. And I think that a lot of 68  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day June 29, 1984 people need to give serious consideration to what's going on here. And this is an important program to a lot of people. And I would hope that we're given that opportunity to discuss the issues that's outlined in Amendment #394."

"Further discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Nash."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, a point of order. Are we debating Amendment 94 or Mr. Daniels' Motion?"

"Well, the Gentleman has concluded. The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Berrios."

"I move the previous..."

"There being no further discussion, the question is, 'Shall Amendments #59 through 92 inclusive be tabled?' All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Amendments are tabled. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #93, Daniels - Madigan, amends Senate Bill 1893 by deleting everything after the enacting clause and inserting in lieu thereof the following."

"The Gentleman from DuPage, Mr. Daniels."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, Amendment #93 is an effort to continue the discussions regarding the question of a downstate Tourism Fund, an aggressive program in conservation, recreation and parks, which I had endorsed yesterday, which was contained in Amendments #73 and 74, coupled with the expansion of the very important facility in Chicago called McCormick Place for the benefit of the people of Chicago, all the people of Chicago, as well as, I think, the people of Illinois, and lastly coupled with the question of whether or not we, as a General Assembly, would like to continue the question of the World's Fair under our discussion process. Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, Amendment #3... 69  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day June 29, 1984 93 basically deletes the Bill, passes the Bill back to the Senate in a shell form so that the matter can be put in a Conference Committee to further discuss the issues. The difficulty that I perceived in Amendment $73 and 74, which contained the items in Amendment #94, as I understand it, was that those Amendments would have taken 71 votes to have passed the Bill if the Bill were to have passed this General Assembly on Third Reading. As I perceive the discussions that currently going on, there's a division between the Members of this House and all parts of the state and primarily in the City of Chicago as to; one, whether or not they want a World's Fair by the articulated sounds from today's news stories and the visits by the aldermen and New Orleans; two, as to the question as to whether or not some Members wish to support the expansion of McCormick Place; and third, whether or not this state will support an aggressive park program. Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I personally support the programs that have been enunciated previously, but until such time as we can reach an agreement with Members in the Senate, with Members in the House and with his... his Excellency, the Governor, then I think that we and the General Assembly right now are not proceeding in the proper fashion. For that reason I have offered Amendment #93 for your consideration. I am suggesting that you adopt it. I would hope that we could pass the Bill back to the Senate, request a Conference Committee where our conferees can meet, continue to discuss this issue and bring back to you, hopefully, in a period of time a resolution of the question."

"The Gentleman from DuPage has moved for the adoption of Amendment #93 to Senate Bill 1893. On that, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. 70  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day Madigan." June 29, 1984

"Mr. Speaker, I support the Gentleman's Motion."

"Further discussion? The Gentleman from Bureau, Mr. Mautino."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. For the edification of the Membership, Amendment 93 will in effect make Amendment 94 out of order. I think that was the intention of 93 to make sure that nothing would come afterwards. I... At least I think that's what the determination will be if 93 goes on. I guess what 93 is is well is the shell Bill that puts it in the Conference Committee where the Leadership will decide on what is best for all of the Membership. I don't happen to agree with that particular position on this most important issue. I think that Amendment #94 does address those issues for the rest of the State of Illinois and should be debated and considered in this public forum on this House as opposed to a program put together on a Conference Committee by only the Leadership. Therefore, I stand in opposition to Amendment #93 to Senate Bill 1893."

"There being no further discussion, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #93 be adopted?' All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and Amendment 93 is adopted. Further Amendment?"

"Amendment #94, Mautino Winchester, amends Senate Bill 1893 as amended."

"The Gentleman from Bureau, Mr. Mautino. Yes, the Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Cullerton, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"

"Yes, just to inquire of the Chair as to whether or not the Amendment has been distributed."

"It has not been distributed, Mr. Cullerton. Mr. Nash." 71  143rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 29, 1984

"An inquiry of the Chair, Mr. Speaker, is this Amendment in order?"

"We've had a preliminary opinion already on that issue. Mr. Nash, as far as your inquiry is concerned... The Amendment is in order, Mr. Nash. Yes, Mr. Bullock, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"

"Did you originally respond to Representative Cullerton's inquiry?"

"Pardon, Mr..."

"Did you respond to Representative Cullerton's inquiry?"

"I responded to Mr. Cullerton's, and now let me go back to Mr. Nash. Mr. Nash, the Sponsor of the Bill."

"Mr. Speaker, I move to table Amendment #94."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Nash, moves to table Amendment 94 to Senate Bill 1893. And on that, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Bureau, Mr. Mautino."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I stand in opposition to the Gentleman's Motion to table my Amendment. It's an interesting concept that... that I believe is rather unusual when the Member that is presenting the Amendment has another individual attempt to table that Amendment. I believe that this Body should have the opportunity to make a determination on the ideas that are provided in 94, and I am opposed to the Gentleman's Motion to table the Amendment without even having him evaluate it in general and in total."

"Further discussion? The Gentleman from Marion..."

"And I ask for a Roll Call on that Motion."

"A Roll Call, certainly. The Gentleman from Marion, Mr. Friedrich."

"Well, Mr. Speaker, I suspect that no matter what 72  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day happens, whether 94 gets on or not, Conference Committee. of the things June 29, 1984 it'll end up in But I think that 94 ought to be one to discuss in Conference Committee and adopting the Amendment will not prevent that. We have been engaged in the last several weeks in discussing how we can bring... better the economy in Illinois, particularly the area of out-of-state dollars, tourism, McCormick Place, and the Fair for Chicago, tourism for downstate, upgrading the parks and everything else. This is part of the package, and I think that the Conference Committee should have the opportunity of taking a look at this Amendment along with the other one. I think it's going to go to Conference Committee, and I think... I think everybody else here thinks that. But I don't see any harm in putting this on there for their consideration."

"The Gentleman from Hardin, Mr. Winchester."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I concur with Representative Friedrich. A lot of hard work has gone into putting together the... all the total aspects of Amendment #94, which basically is a downstate program for... convention centers, and for conservation park rehabilitation and lodge rehabilitation, all in conjunction, all contiguous with the World's Fair Program in the State of Illinois. I think we ought to be given that... that privilege of having that consider. Up until this point that program was considered the hottest item that we've had all year. A well put together, well thought out program that needed to be done. I don't know who, where, what caused it to break down and fall apart, but I certainly think that the people, the Legislators and Members, that represent downstate Illinois on both sides of this aisle should stand behind Representative Mantino and I in this issue. I would certainly appreciate your help. 73  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day June 29, 1984 It's very important to downstate. This will be the only issue that downstate Illinois will be able to walk away with after probably, when the smoke clears, a massive rip-off by certain other areas of this state."

"Further discussion? The Gentleman from Lake, Mr. Matijevich."

"Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I just voted to table a lot of Amendments. And I don't know some of those Amendments that I tabled had some merit, and maybe those individual Sponsors wanted their voices to be heard. But we tabled those Motions (sic Amendments) because we heard both the Leaders in this... House say that the Bill should go in Conference Committee for further study to come up with a compromise. On that basis, I voted to table, and I think that any further Amendments should be tabled too so that we get to that point. It's nothing against downstate. It's nothing against Rich Nautino. It's just the decision I have made and I think other should make that we come to a Conference Committee and come up with a reasonable compromise."

"The Gentleman from McHenry, Mr. Klemm."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I don't come from downstate, nor do I come from the City of Chicago. But I do think that we should consider legislation that affects the entire State of Illinois, and I understand Amendment 94 does do that. Since we're talking about going to Conference Committee, this Amendment, if it were to be adopted, would still force this Bill to go to Conference Committee, would still give our Leaders on both sides of the aisle the opportunity to... to articulate our concerns on our behalf plus their concerns. So I stand in support of Amendment 94, because I know the Sponsors on both sides of the aisle from downstate have spent many hours trying to work out 74  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day June 29, 1984 something for their area, plus for the northern part and for the City of Chicago. So though I'm not part of either of them, I do wish them success in trying to keep the dialogue going on these important issues, and I do ask for your favorable vote on 94."

"The Lady from Cook, Ms. Currie."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. I was the Sponsor of, oh, any number of the Amendments that were the subject of the earlier tabling Motion on Senate Bill 1893. I looked forward to lively discussion and debate on each of those, but I supported, nevertheless, that tabling Motion. Although I would look forward to a lively and interesting discussion of the merits of Amendment 94, I am convinced that those... that that Amendment... the subject of that Amendment will be the subject of lively and exciting debate in the Conference Committee on Senate Bill 1893. I hope the Sponsor of this Motion, which I strongly support, will tell all of us in what LOOM the Conference Committee for Senate Bill 1893 will meet so that we can all be part of that exciting discussion."

"The Gentleman from DeWitt, Mr. Vinson."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Assembly. No one has worked any harder on the downstate park proposal than the Minority Leader of this House. When the idea was first brought to him, he began working on it. He devote staff resources to it, numerous conferences with the Governor, with the Department involved, with Members to try to craft this into a good proposal. I believe that if you will follow his lead, you will ultimately see this realized. But to walk away from somebody, who has worked as hard on a proposal as he has worked on this proposal, and actually begun to crystalize real discussion on it... of it on the floor would be a mistake. We ought to support 75  143rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 29, 1984 his Motion in regard to this Amendment and trust to him to ultimately deliver these goodies. I support his Motion."

"Further discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Rice."

"Would you move the previous question, Sir?"

"Fortunately no one else is seeking recognition. The question is, 'Shall Amendment #94 be tabled?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 62 voting 'aye', 45 voting 'no', 7 voting 'present', and Amendment 94 is tabled. Further Amendment?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Nash."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I move to suspend Rule 37 (c) so that Senate Bill 1893 may be advanced to Third Reading and immediately considered."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Nash, has moved that we suspend Rule 37 (c) so that the Bill may be considered at this time. On that, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Peoria, Mr. Tuerk."

"No, Mr... Mr. Speaker, Members of the House, I didn't have my light on to speak to this particular Motion. I've had my light on for the last fifteen minutes. I think you better see a new optometrist or an ophthalmologist whichever you prefer."

"There being no further discussion, the question is, 'Shall... the House suspend Rule 37 (c) so that Senate Bill 1893 may be considered at this time?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all 76  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day June 29, 1984 voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 83 voting 'aye, 30 voting 'no", none voting 'present', and the Motion prevails. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 1893, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act creating the Tourism Fund in the State Treasury. Third Reading of the Bill."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Nash."

"ΜΣ. Speaker, I defer to my Cosponsor, Mr. Bullock, Representative Bullock."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Bullock."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Senate Bill 1893, as amended, I submit to you is a Bill that will come back this way again. The Minority Leader and Majority Leader have sponsored Amendment 93 to this legislation. As previously indicated, this would in effect set up a Tourism Fund in the State of Illinois, hopefully for the purpose of expanding economic development in the state. I think most of us are familiar with the provisions of the legislation, and I would respectfully urge an 'aye vote."

"The Gentleman from Cook has moved for the passage of Senate Bill 1893. Is there any discussion? There being... The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Huff."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I'll be very succinct in my remarks. I'm... I'm voting on this issue which now covers only tourism, and if this Bill comes back from the Senate with the Fair and the McCormick Place expansion on it, I'll think we'll be in the same posture we were in yesterday, Mr. Speaker."

"The question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is now open. This is final action on the 77  143rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 29, 1984 Bill. To explain his vote, the Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Madigan."

"Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, in explaining my 'aye' vote, I wish to explain that I am supporting the passage of this Bill to the Senate, so that the Bill can be put into a Conference Committee where we can begin to negotiate with the Senate Leaders and with the Governor concerning a total package for tourism in Illinois. My opposition to the Bill, which was sent to us by the Senate, was based primarily upon my opposition to the imposition of a food tax in Chicago only. I remain opposed to that tax, and I plan to go to the Conference to advance the idea that the imposition of a food tax in Chicago only should be replaced with the imposition of a cigarette tax in Cook County as a substitute to support the entire program."

"The Gentleman from Bureau, one minute to explain his vote, Mr. Mautino."

"Parliamentary inquiry, Sir."

"Proceed, Sir."

"How many votes does it take to pass this Bill since we are addressing in a portion of the original Bill bonding authority, if I remember correctly."

"60 votes, Mr. Mautino."

"Thank you."

"The Gentleman from Marion, Mr. Friedrich, one minute to explain your vote."

"Mr. Speaker, I think this is kind of a sad moment here. A lot of Members of the House and Senate have served for two or three months trying to put together something that would help the whole State of Illinois. Actually Chicago is a big beneficiary because they've got McCormick Place. They were going to get the Fair. They were going 78  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day June 29, 1984 to get most of the tourism money. And who blocked the Bill finally? The people from Chicago. What they're trying to do is figure out a way to milk the rest of the state so Chicago can have all the benefits and none of the tax, and that's where we are right now. I'm voting 'aye' just in the hope that something can come out of this. But believe me, a lot of hard work and negotiation has gone down the drain for a bunch of selfish interests."

"The Gentleman from Peoria, Mr. Tuerk."

"By golly, that was a fast examination. Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. I'm going to rise and reluctantly support this Bill at this point. But it's unfortunate in many ways why the previous Amendment was ruled out of order, because frankly I don't think it was out of order and could have been, you know, debated in the full House, because many of the things in that Amendment were certainly salutary for the whole State of Illinois. It's unfortunate that the Motion to table prevailed. I stand in support of this Bill, but I want to make sure that when it gets to Conference Committee that many of the things that those of us from downstate object to and those things that many of us from downstate support are certainly considered in the Bill. And I'd reserve the right then at that stage to make a judgment."

"The Lady from Cook, Ms. Wojcik."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. I reluctantly cast a 'no' vote in regard to this proposal. We had a very good Amendment and a fine compromise Amendment in Amendment #59. The western half of Cook County is becoming very disenfranchised by taxes that are placed on them constantly. We have RTA taxes, empty buses. We have automobile taxation. We have got liquor taxation. Now we hear talk of a cigarette tax. I think it's about 79  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day time that the Chicago realize that the western June 29, 1984 people of Chicago and those that live in suburbs and all the suburbs of Cook County are tired of paying the taxes for Chicago's problems. So reluctantly I'm voting 'no'."

"The Lady from Cook, Ms. Topinka." I'm not voting of

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of of the House, reluctantly "no". I'm voting very enthusiastically "no" for part the reason that Representative Wojcik brings up. There is a part of Cook County that is outside of Chicago. I happen to represent it, and we are being taxed constantly and really for very little benefit. What does concern me that if this Bill does come back from a Conference Committee and none of us are going to be participating, as people from suburban Cook County never seem to do, we're going to wind up with that damn Fair again. And that is the single biggest boondoggle I've ever seen, and it's been studied to death. And anything you put on it does not cover up the smell. And I mean you can perfume it till the cows come home, and it's still going to stink. And it's still going to have no benefit for suburb Cook County, ΟΙ DuPage, or central Illinois, or southern Illinois or for that matter really even Chicago. It is a carry ονει from the Byrne administration. It was born stillborn. It's been on a respirator, and I think we ought to end it now."

"Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Bill, there are 76 voting 'aye', 36 voting 'no', none voting 'present', and this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On the Order... On Supplemental Calendar #1... Supplemental Calendar #1, on the Order of Nonconcurrence Nonappropriation Bills appears Senate Bill 1743. Mr. Terzich, are you prepared on that? Mr. Clerk, 80  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day read the Bill."

June 29, 1984 to "Senate Bill 1743 amends an Act in relationship compensation and emoluments of Members of the General Assembly, together with House Amendments #1 and 2."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Terzich." "Yes, Mr. Speaker, this doesn't include the World's Fair, but I would make a Motion that we decline to recede from Amendments #1 and 2 and request a Conference Committee."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Terzich, moves that the House refuses to recede from Arendments #1 and 2 to Senate Bill 1743. There being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall the House refuse to recede from Senate... from House Amendments 1 and 2 to Senate Bill 1743? All in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the ayes have it, and the House does refuse to recede from Senate... from House Amendments #1 and 2 to Senate Pill 1743 and asks that a Conference Committee be appointed. On the... On Supplemental Calendar #1, on the Order of Nonconcurrence appears Senate Bill 1841. Mr. Keane, 1841. Are you prepared, Sir? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 1841 amends an Act in relationship to parole, together with House Amendment #5."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Keane."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I refuse to recede from Amendment #5 and would ask for a... that a Conference Committee be appointed."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Keane, moves that the House refuse to recede from Senate Amendment... from House Amendment #5 to Senate Bill 1841. There being no discussion, the question is, Shall the House refuse to recede from House Amendment #5 to Senate Bill 1841?" All 81  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day June 29, 1984 in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion... In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the House refuses to recede from Amendment #5 and asks for the appointment of a Conference Committee. On page five of the Calendar, on the Order of Nonconcurrence appears Senate Bill 1217. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 1217 amends the Election... Code, together with House Amendments #1, 3, 4, 6, 7 and 8."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Nash."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I refuse to recede from Amendments 1, 3, 4, 6, 7 and 8 and ask that a Conference Committee be appointed on Senate Bill 1217."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Nash, has moved that the House refuse to recede from Senate Bill... from House Amendments 1, 3, 4, 6, 7 and 8. On that, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall the House refuse to recede?' All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the House refuses to recede from House Amendments 1, 3, 4, 6, 7 and 8 to Senate Bill 1217 and asks that a Conference Committee be appointed. On the Order of Nonconcurrence, on page five of the Calendar, appears Senate Bill 1746. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 1746 amends the School Code, together with House Amendment #6."

"The Gentleman from DuPage, Mr. Hoffman."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I move that the House not recede from Amendment #6 and nonconcur in Senate Bill 1746. This has been discussed earlier, and I would move we nonconcur and request a Conference Committee."

"The Gentleman from DuPage moves that the House refuse to recede from House Amendment 6 to Senate Bill 82  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day June 29, 1984 1746. There being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall the House refuse to recede from Amendment #6?' All in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the House does refuse to recede from Amendment #6 to Senate... to Senate Bill 1746 and requests the appointment of a Conference Committee. Do any Members who have Bills on the Order of Nonconcurrence desire to proceed with their Bill? Mr. Ewing, do you wish to proceed on that?"

"I would like to move to nonconcur on House Bill 2388. It's on concurrences."

"Alright. Alright, Mr. Ewing, we will accommodate you on that. Alright. On the Order of Concurrence, on page two of the Calendar, appears House Bill 2388. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill. Ladies and Gentlemen, there is a state mandate..."

"House Bill..."

"Excuse me, Mr. Clerk. That may be applicable here. Proceed, Sir."

"House Bill 2388 amends the Revenue Act, together with Senate Amendment #1."

"The Gentleman from Livingston, Mr. Ewing."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I would move to nonconcur with Senate Amendment #1 and for the appointment of a Conference Committee on this piece of legislation."

"The Gentleman from Livingston moves that the House nonconcur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2388. There being... Is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Giglio. There being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall the House nonconcur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2388?' All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, 83  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day June 29, 1984 the 'ayes' have it, and the House does nonconcur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2388. On page two of the Calendar, on the Order of Senate Pills Third Reading, nonappropriation, appears Senate Bill 1733. Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill... Senate Bill 1733, a Bill for an Act to amend certain Acts in relation to toll highways. Third Reading of the Bill."

"And on that, Mr. Vinson, the Gentleman from DeWitt."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Assembly. This is the expansion of the tollway, legislation that would create a tollway corridor. It has everybody's Amendment on it who's ever offered an Amendment on the subject. It includes the skyway. It includes the language that the environmentalists have requested. Everybody who offered an Amendment got their Amendment on this Bill. Obviously in the final analysis this may not entirely work out in this structure. What this will occasion is a Conference Committee whereby everybody will have a chance to rework this measure. I would request favorable passage of Senate Bill 1733."

"The Gentleman from DeWitt has moved for the passage of Senate Bill 1733. And on that, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Madigan."

"Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I plan to support the Gentleman's Motion that this Bill pass because the Bill will be put into a Conference Committee where it will become subject to negotiation relative to the provisions of the Bill. I am not supportive of the Bill at this time. There vere several Amendments offered to the Bill. I supported several of those Amendments; however, at this time I am prepared to support the passage of the Bill so that it can move to a Conference Committee with the 84  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 29, 1984 143rd Legislative Day Senate."

"The Gentleman from DuPage, Mr. Daniels."

"I agree with what the Speaker said. There's several items that need to be discussed. This would end up in Conference Committee. That's the purpose of the support."

"The Gentleman from Will, Mr. Van Duyne."

"Well, maybe it might be a parliamentary inquiry or at least something of information. Has Amendment #2 addressed in this Bill? 22. Did I say 2? I'm sorry. Amendment #22, was it adopted onto this Bill?"

"We'll check with that and see in a second."

"Well, it's important to me because..."

"No, 22 was not adopted."

"Thank you."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Piel."

"I move the previous question, Mr. Speaker."

"No one's seeking recognition. The question... The question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Bill, there are 76 voting 'aye', 27 voting 'no', 5 voting 'present'. This Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Yes, the Lady from Cook, Ms. Markette."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. On the last Bill that was just recorded, let the record show that I am voting 'no'."

"The Clerk will journalize Ms. Markette's vote. Veronica 'Lynch' will you come to the podium? Agreed Resolutions."

"House Resolution 1142, Currie; 1143, Ropp: 1145, Woodyard and Stuffle. House Joint Resolution 176, Vinson and Giorgi. House Resolution 1147, Gigli. And Senate 85  143rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 29, 1984 Joint Resolution 115, Mays."

"The Gentleman from Winnebago, Mr. Giorgi, on the Agreed Resolutions."

"Mr. Speaker, Currie's 1142 congratulates 'Billie Treganza; 1143, by Ropp, notes the Ropp family reunion, the 80th reunion for the Ropp family; 1145, by Woodyard, honors Pine Grove Community Club; 176, House Joint, by Vinson Giorgi, asks that the Lottery Control Board report on the studies of the games in the field; 115, by Mays, promulgates rules for the disposal of surplus property, and..."

"The Gentleman from Winnebago moves the adoption of the Agreed Resolutions. Oh, one more, alright."

"1147, is it? 1147 honors one of our colleagues. Is someone going to read that Resolution? Is someone going to read it or are we just going to adopt it? Just adopt the... I move for the adoption of the Agreed Resolutions."

"The Gentleman from Winnebago moves the adoption of the Agreed Resolutions. All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Agreed Resolutions are adopted. General Resolutions."

"House Joint Resolution 171, David... Davis - Hastert. Senate Joint Resolution 69, Marzuki - McGann. Senate Joint Resolution 103, Barnes. Senate Joint Resolution 104, Hoffman. Senate Joint Resolution 113, Capparelli - Terzich."

"Committee on Assignment. Death Resolution."

"House Resolution 1144, by Representative Rea, with respect to the memory of John D. Douglas. House Resolution 1146, offered by Representative Bowman - et al, with respect to the memory of Mrs. Tobey Prinz. House Resolution 1148, offered by Representative Shaw, with 86  STATE OP ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day June 29, 1984 respect to the memory of Mrs. Willia B. Hamilton. And House Resolution 1149, offered by Representative Shaw, with respect to the memory of Mrs. Bertha Jackson."

"The Gentleman from Winnebago moves the adoption of the Death Resolutions. All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed no". In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes" have it, and the Besolutions are adopted. On page five of the Calendar, on the Order of Nonconcurrence appears Senate Bill 1522. Ar. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 1522, a Bill for an Act to amend the Chicago World's Fair 1992 Authority Act, together with Senate... with House Amendments 1, 2 and 3."

"The Lady from Cook, Ms. Currie."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I move the House refuse to recede from our Amendments to Senate Bill 1522."

"The Lady from Cook has moved that the House refuse to recede from Senate Amendments 1, 2 and 3... I'm sorry, from House Amendments 1, 2 and 3 to Senate Bill 1522. The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Piel."

"Yes, would she please explain those Amendments and what they do?"

"These are... The underlying... The underlying Bill, Representative Piel, is the Bill that would require..."

"I'm sorry, Mr. Speaker. I cannot bear her."

"The underlying Bill is a Bill that would require public disclosure of beneficiaries of secret land trusts if there are sale or lease arrangements by the World's Fair Authority with respect to any of those undisclosed beneficiaries. We added some Amendments. In fact one, I believe, was suggested by Representative 'Frederick' to tighten the Bill as it came to us from the Senate. Unfortunately there were typographical... some uncertain 87  143rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 29, 1984 errors in the Amendments we did adopt. The Senate Sponsor refused to concur in our Amendments. And the only way to cure the problem... She did not refuse to concur on substantive grounds, but in order to make the technical changes that will make Representative 'Frederick' and other suggestions work, we need to put this Bill in a Conference Committee."

"Will the Lady take this out of the record for a moment, please?"

"Happy to, Representative Piel."

"Thank you."

"Alright. Out of the record. Alright. On the Order of Nonconcurrence, page five of the Calendar, appears Senate Bill 1522. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill again."

"Senate Bill 1522, a Bill for an Act to amend the Chicago World's Fair 1992 Authority Act, together with House Amendments #1, 2 and 3."

"Alright, Ms. Currie, we'll take that out of the record for a few minutes again, and we'll let the Clerk call it again SO he gets it right. Page five of the Calendar, on the Order of Nonconcurrence appears Senate Bill 1522. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 1522, a Bill for an Act to amend the Chicago World's Fair 1992 Authority Act, together with House Amendments 1, 2 and 3. Third Reading of this nonconcurrence."

"The Lady from Cook, Ms. Currie."

"Thank you, dr. Speaker and Members of the House. I move the House refuse to recede from House Amendments 1, 2 and 3 to Senate Bill 1522 so that a Conference Committee may be appointed. I would explain to the Members of the House that the reason for the Conference Committee is to make technical changes in those Amendments we adopted. It is 88  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day June 29, 1984 not the intent of the Sponsors of this Pill, either in the House ог in the Senate, to see any other changes but technical ones occur in that Conference Committee Report."

"The Lady from Cook moves that the House do not recede from Senate Amendments 1, 2 and 3... to House Amendments 1, 2 and 3 to Senate Bill 1522. The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Piel."

"Will the Lady take... No, never mind, never mind. Would she... Basically I have gathered that this is going to be used as... this Bill will be used strictly as a vehicle as far as the land trust. Is that true?"

"I would prefer not to consider it a vehicle Bill at all. It is a Bill having to do with disclosure of beneficiaries of secret land trusts if those land trusts own property, leased or sold, to the World's Fair Authority. The Bil1 was improved, tightened in the House. It is no one's intention to use the Bill for any other purpose than the substantive items that are already part of Senate Bill 1522 with the House Amendments. The only point of the Conference Committee is to make technical changes so the Bill would be in good shape when WE send it to the Governor."

"AS long as we have the assurance this will be used as a Bill dealing with the land trusts and nothing else, I have no problem. Thank you."

"That's exactly right. And the best way to protect it being... from being used for any other purpose is το appoint the Conference Committee and move it quickly out of the House and Senate."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Bullock."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I rise in support of Representative Currie's Motion. The Lady has adequately explained the procedure 89  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day for this particular legislation. June 29, 1984 I certainly think that she has given us her word and commitment that it will be used only for technical and clarifying language. And with that in mind, I'd urge an 'aye' vote on the Motion that the House do not recede on Amendments 1, 2 and 3."

"The Gentleman from Marion, Mr. Friedrich."

"I... I think the Sponsor has given assurance. I was afraid we was going to get another five million dollars more in here for the Mayor. That seems to be what's bogging things down around here. We were going to give them the Fair, McCormick Place, most of the tourism money and then they needed another five million dollars. I just want to be sure there's not another five million in the Conference Committee."

"The Sponsor shakes her head 'no'. There being no further discussion, the question is, 'Shall the House refuse to recede from Senate Amendments... from House Amendments #1, 2 and 3 to Senate Bill 1522?' All in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes have it, and the House does refuse to recede from House Amendments 1, 2 and 3 to Senate Bill 1522 and requests that a Conference Committee be appointed. Mr. Hicks, would you come to the podium, please? Mr. Johnson, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"

"Yes... leave of the Body, I'd ask to put House Bill 2049 on the Interim Study Calendar."

"You're the... You're the Sponsor of 2049?"

"Yes."

"The Gentleman from Champaign asks leave of the House to place House Bill 2049 on the Interim Study Calendar. Of what Committee, Mr..."

"Transportation." 90  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day June 29, 1984

"Of Transportation Committee. Leave is granted. Mr. DeJaegher, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"

"Mr. Speaker, with leave of the Body, I'd like to have House Bill 3136 put in Interim Study, please."

"The Gentleman from Rock Island asks leave of the House to place House Bill 3136 in the Interim Study Calendar. Of what Committee?"

"Elementary and Secondary Education."

"Elementary and Secondary... and Secondary Education. The Gentleman have leave? You have leave, and the Bill is committed to the Interia Study Calendar. Ladies and Gentlemen, let us come to order for a few moments. For what purpose does the Lady from Cook, Ms. Barnes, seek recognition?"

"Well, Mr. Speaker, I was at a meeting before in Representative Daniels' Office, and I have a parliamentary inquiry. Representative DeJaegher, at that time, asked leave for House Bill 3136 to be committed to Interim Study, and I question whether the Sponsor's request was in order and whether he had the right to commit the Bill to Interim Study."

"Alright, before I address that, there are a great many people who do not have access to the floor normally. We have been at ease during the afternoon, and it's understandable that they would be on the floor. We are now about to begin doing business on the floor, So I would ask those who do not have access to the floor to please retire, and I would like to not make that request again. So if you do not have access to the floor, please retire at this time. The... The Lady from Cook, Ms. Barnes, has made a parliamentary inguiry of the Chair. Earlier in the afternoon, Bepresentative DeJaegher, who is the original Sponsor of House Bill 3136 asked leave of the 91  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day June 29, 1984 House that the Bill be placed in the Interim Study Calendar of the Elementary and Secondary Education Committee. Leave was granted; however, under our rules, a Sponsor may as a matter of right commit a Bill to Interim Study at any time prior to the beginning of debate on Third Reading. After that time, a Sponsor must obtain leave of the House to place the Bill into the Interim Study Committee. However, this Bill at the time of the making of the Motion was in a Conference Committee. When a Bill is in a Conference Committee, it is not within the control of this House, just as if the Bill were in the Senate. If the Bill were in the Senate, it could not be placed in the Interim Study Calendar of the House. Accordingly, the Chair... the House did not have jurisdiction of the Bill, and the Motion, therefore, and leave that was granted is 'annulity'. And the Bill is wherever it was. Alright. Yes, Mr... the Gentleman from Rock Island, Mr. DeJaegher."

"Mr. Speaker, as you are aware of, I introduced this Bill originally. My problem is this, even though as you stated I no longer have control of this particular Bill, I was not even given the privilege of being assigned to the Conference Committee pertaining to that particular Bill. What's happened with this particular Bill, there are a number of controversies surrounding that Bill. That Bill originally was asked for by a constituent of mine that resides in my particular area. It was really a harmless Bill, a Bill that I felt that I could introduce into legislation that would be addressing the needs that she felt we should have as far as... going the State of Illinois. This is the problem that I have. It seems like even though I'm a freshman Legislator, I may not know some of the rules and ramifications of certain legislation that takes place. But as this Bill progressed and as this Bill 92  STATE OP ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OP REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day June 29, 1984 was passed, there was also an Amendment putting on it... put on there by the Christian Science Association. And at this particular time this is why I objected to this particular Bill, because I did receive communication fron other religious groups pertaining to this particular Amendment. I asked for this Fill to then go into Conference Committee to see if ve could iron out this problem that we have. It's... It's a shame that once a person sponsors a particular Bill that that person has no longer control of it. I realize I must abide by the wishes of the Chair, but I did want to make my point, and I thank you."

"Thank you, Mr. DeJaegher. On page two, on the Order of Concurrence - Appropriations, and for that, Mr. Leverenz, the Gentleman from Cook."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I will try not to give a speech as long as Howie Carroll did in the Senate. I move now to nonconcur in the following House Bills to all Senate Amendments to those Bills: House Bill 2546, 2547, 2637, 2638, 2640, 2664 and 2785, together."

"The Gentleman from Cook asks leave of the House that these Bills may be heard together. The Gentleman... Does the Gentleman have leave? On that guestion, the Gentleman from DeWitt, Mr. Vinson."

"I rise in support of the Gentleman's request."

"The Lady from DuPage, Ms. Karpiel."

"Could he please repeat those numbers?"

"The numbers are 25... House Bil1 2546, 2547, 2637, 2638, 2640, 2664 and 2785."

"Thank you."

"The Motion of Mr. Leverenz is to nonconcur with these Bills, nonconcur. Alright, the Gentleman has asked 93  143rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 29, 1984 leave of the House that these Bills be heard in one... on one Motion, and the Gentleman has leave. Accordingly... Is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall the House nonconcur in the Senate Amendments adopted by the Senate on House Bills 2546, 2547, 2637, 2638, 2640, 2664 and 2785?' All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed say "no". In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the House does nonconcur with those Bills. Now on the Order of Concurrence appears House Bill 2530, Mr. Olson. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2530 is an Act making appropriations to the State Board of Elections, together with Senate Amendment #1."

"The Gentleman from Lee, Mr. Olson."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I move to concur with Senate Amendment #1 to the Board of Elections appropriations Bill, House Bill 2530. Senate Amendment #1 has deleted 124,114 dollars by taking out 100,000 of the Governor's Election Reform Commission, 24,114 dollars out of the General Revenue Funds, which in essence will make the budget at 4,371,998 dollars. This represents slightly less than the 5.7% increase over fiscal '84, and I would move for the adoption of concurrence in House Bill 2530."

"The Gentleman from Lee moves that the House do concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2530. The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Leverenz."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. It is the intentions of this side of the aisle to concur in all of the House Bills that we will read off in a group here, and I just will not stand and repeat that to save time."

"Alright. The question is, 'Shall the House 94  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day June 29, 1984 concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2530?" All those in favor signify by voting 'aye, those opposed vote "no". Voting is now open. This is final action. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take... Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 114 voting 'aye', 1 voting 'no', none voting 'present', and this Bill... and the House does concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2530. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On the Order of Concurrence appears House Bill 2610. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2610..."

"Oh, is Mrs. Barnes... Is Ms. Barnes with us? Alright, Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2610 is an Act making appropriations for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Department of Nuclear Safety, together with Senate Amendments #1 and 2."

"The Lady from Cook, Ms. Barnes."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, House Bill 2610 deals with the Department of Nuclear Safety appropriation for fiscal year '85. It is seven million six hundred and forty-three thousand point four dollars. It is a 4.3 percentage change over fiscal year '84."

"The Lady moves that the House concur in Senate Amendments #1 and 2 to House Bill 2610. Mr. Leverenz."

"Representative yield?"

"Indicates she will."

"You indicated seven million six forty-three, that's as introduced. We are concurring with the Senate Amendment bringing it up to eleven four one four? I'm trying to help."

"I wasn't prepared because it was my understanding that we were going to do all of these on one Roll Call. Just a 95  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day June 29, 1984 second, please."

"No problem."

"Alright. Eleven million four hundred and fourteen thousand four hundred dollars as it came over from the Senate. Is that your question?"

"And we concur. Thank you."

"The question is, Shall the House concur in Senate Amendments #1 and 2 to House Bill 2610? All in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is now open. This is final action. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 103 voting 'aye', 4 voting 'no', 2 voting 'present', and the House does concur in Senate Amendments #1 and 2 to House Bill 2610. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On the Order of Concurrence appears House Bill 2624. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

Clerk Leone: "House Bill 2624 is an Act making certain reappropriations to the Department of Transportation, together with Senate Amendment #1."

"Lady from Cook, Ms. Barnes. Mr. Leverenz."

"Let me.."

"Excuse me, Ms. Barnes. Mr. Leverenz."

"I would now move that the House concur in all Senate Amendments to the following Bills. As the Lady indicated, maybe we will try that. House Bill 2624, 2631, 2633, 2636, 2639, 2642, 2643, 2645, 2647, 2648, 2650, 2654, 2663, 2729, 2765, 2769 and 2776 and ask leave of the House that we take these in one Roll Call."

"The Gentleman from Cook has asked... has moved that the House consider these Bills, a number of Bills, on a single Roll Call. And on that, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Bowman." 96  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day

June 29, 1984 "Thank you. I believe this would save the time of the House. However, ve are suppose to have duplicate lists, and I think maybe one of these bas been missed. I'd appreciate it if the Chair could read the list again."

"Ms. Karpiel."

"Well, I ask for a division of the question."

"Alright. I think on that note, Mr. Leverenz will withdraw his Motion. Mr. Leverenz?"

"I yield a minute of my time to Representative Barnes."

"Ms. Parnes, on 20...."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, what I would like to explain to the Membership that as these Bills developed through the House, each one was described in great detail by myself and by Representative Leverenz. Now, what we did this afternoon, we had a meeting with the Senate, and the Bill... nothing was changed. Everything is just like it passed out of this House, and..."

"Well, Ms. Barnes, it is apparently the will of the House that we proceed on these on... singly, and so I am recognizing you on House Fill 2624. But, first, Mr. Leverenz."

"I withdraw the Motion. Thank you."

"Ms. Barnes, proceed on House Bill 2624. Mr. Clerk, have you read that Bill?"

"The Bill has been read."

"Alright. If the Bill has been read, then Ms. Barnes, on 2624."

"זה. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, House Bill 2624 deals with the reappropriation for the Department of Transportation. It reappropriates 2,012,937,571 dollars for the Fiscal Year 85 ordinary and contingent expenses. As it passed out of the Senate, it was one billion, nine hundred and thirty nine thousand... million, three hundred 97  143rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 29, 1984 and thirty eight thousand, point nine. The concurrences were seventy three million, five hundred and ninety eight, point six dollars."

"The Lady from Cook has moved that the House concur in Senate Amendments #1 to House Bill 2624. There being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall the House concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2624?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is now open. This is final action. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question there are 108 voting 'aye', none voting 'no' and none voting 'present', and the House does concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2624. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On the Order of Concurrence appears House Bill 2631. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2631 is an Act making appropriations to the Local Governmental Law Enforcement Officers Training Board, together with Senate Amendments #1 and 2."

"The Lady from Cook, Ms. Barnes. Ms. Barnes."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, House Bill 2631 provides for the Local Governmental Law Enforcement Officers budget and I would agree with Senate Amendment 1 and Senate Amendment #2. As it came out of the Senate, it is 5,968,500 dollars."

"Okay. The Lady from Cook has moved that the House do concur in Senate Amendments #1 and 2 to House Bill 2631. The question is, 'Shall the House concur in Senate Amendments #1 and 2 to House Bill 2631?' All in favor say 'aye'... vote 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is now open. This is final action. Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 113 voting 'aye', 1 voting 'no', none voting 'present', and the House does 98  143rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 29, 1984 concur in Senate Amendments #1 and 2 to House Bill 2631. This Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On the Order of House... of Concurrence appears House Bill 2633. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2633, an Act saking appropriations to the Illinois Labor Relations Board, together with Senate Amendments #1 and 2."

"The Lady from Cook, Ms. Barnes."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, House Bill 2633 appropriates 1,500,000 dollars from General Revenue Fund for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Illinois Education Labor Relations Board. Senate Amendment #1 and 2 affect no dollar change. They just reallocate line item appropriations."

"The Lady from Cook moves that the House do concur in Senate Amendments #1 and 2 to House Bill 2633. There being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall the House concur in Senate Amendments #1 and 2 to House Bill 2633?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no". Voting is now open, and this is final action. Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there were 84 voting 'aye", 24 voting 'no', 2 voting 'present', and the House does concur in Senate Amendments #1 and 2 to House Bill 2633. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On the Order of Concurrence appears House Bill 2636. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2636, an Act making appropriations to the Department of Human Rights, together with Senate Amendment #1."

"The Gentleman from Kendall, Mr. Hastert."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the 99  143rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 29, 1984 House. Senate Bill 2636 is for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Department of Human Rights. Senate Amendment #1 cut 95,800 dollars out of the budget. It's a 2.4% decrease. I ask for its... Affirmative Roll Call."

"The Gentleman from Kendall moves that the House do concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2636. There being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall the House concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2636?' All in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is now open, and this is final action. Have all voted who... Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 99 voting 'aye', 9 voting 'no', 2 voting 'present', and the House does concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2636. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On the Order of Concurrence appears House Bill 2639. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2639 is an Act making appropriations to the Human Rights Commission, together with Senate Amendment #1."

"The Gentleman from Kendall, Mr. Hastert."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Senate Bill 2639 is for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Human Rights Commission. Senate Amendment #1 is an increase in 2,100 dollars in GRF Funds. I ask for concurrence to Senate Amendment #1."

"The Gentleman from Kendall has moved that the House do concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2639. There being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall the House concur in Senate Bill... in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2639?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is now open. This 100  STATE OP ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 29, 1984 143rd Legislative Day is final action. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 90 voting 'aye", 17 voting 'no', 4 voting 'present', and the House does concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2639. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On the Order of Concurrence appears House Bill 2642. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2642, an Act making appropriations to the Department of Registration and Education, together with Senate Amendments #1 and 2."

"The Lady from Cook, Ms. Barnes. Mr. Hastert, on 2642."

"...leave to handle this Bill."

"Alright, the Calendar shows Ms. Barnes, but Mr. Hastert, you have leave to proceed on that Bill. Leave."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 2642 is for the ordinary and contingent expenses for the Department of Registration and Education. Move to concur in Senate Amendments #1 and 2, which is an increase. Senate Amendment #1 is an increase of 30,300 dollars, and Senate Amendment #2 is an increase of 91,200 dollars from General Revenue Funds. It increases personnel service and retirement lines. Ask for concurrence in that."

"The Gentleman from Kendall has moved that the House concur in Senate Amendment #1 and 2 to House Bill 2642. And on that, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Leverenz."

"Just to tidy up that presentation, Senate Amendment #1 reduced the FY 85 request by two hundred and thirty-nine thousand, and I would move to concur also."

"The question is, 'Shall the House concur in 101  143rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 29, 1984 Senate Amendments #1 and 2 to House Bill 2642?. All in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. This is final action. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 106 voting 'aye', 5 voting 'no', 1 voting 'present', and the House does concur in Senate Amendments #1 and 2 to House Bill 2642. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On the Order of Concurrence appears House Bill 2643. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2643, an Act making appropriations to the Department of Veteran Affairs, together with Senate Amendments #1 and 2."

"The Gentleman from Kendall, Mr. Hastert. Hastert."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 2643 is for the ordinary and contingent expenses... appropriation for the Department of Veterans Affairs. I move to concur in Senate Amendment #1 and Senate Amendment #2. Senate Amendment #1 cuts 111,700 dollars according to the Senate formula, and Amendment #2 is a 500,000 dollar transfer in a line item. Move to concur in both Amendments."

"The Gentleman from Kendall moves that the House concur in Senate Amendments #1 and 2 to House Bill 2643. There being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall the House concur in Senate Amendments #1 and 2 to House Bill 2643?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is now open. This is final action. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 111 voting 'aye', 1 voting 'no', 1 voting 'present', and the House does concur in Senate 102  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day Amendments #1 and 2 to House Bill 2643. June 29, 1984 And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On the Order of Concurrence appears House Bill 2644. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2644, an Act making appropriations to the Department of Labor, together with Senate Amendments $1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 and 8."

"The Lady from Cook, Ms. Barnes."

"Mr... Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, House Bill 2644 appropriates money for the fiscal year $85 ordinary and contingent... expenses of the Department of Labor including the Bureau of Employment Security, and I would move to accept Amendment #1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 and 8 from the Senate."

"The Lady from Cook moves that the House do concur in Senate Amendments #1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 and 8. There being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall the House concur in Senate Amendments #1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 and 8 to House Bill 2644?' All in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 109 voting 'aye', 2 voting 'no', 2 voting 'present', and the House does concur in Senate Amendments #1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 and 8 to House Bill 2644. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On the Order of Concurrence appears House Bill 2645. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2645 is an Act to provide for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Office of the Governor, together with Senate Amendments #1, 2, 3, 4 and 6."

"The Lady from Cook, Ms. Barnes." 103  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day June 29, 1984

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, House Bill 2645 appropriates money for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the... Office of the Governor. I accept Senate Amendment #1, #2, #3, #4 and #6."

"The Lady from Cook moves that the House do concur in Senate Amendments #1, 2, 3, 4 and 6 to House Bill 2645. There being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall the House concur in Senate Amendments #1, 2, 3, 4 and 6 to House Bill 2645?' All in favor signify by voting 'aye", those opposed vote 'no". Voting is now open. This is final action. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 113 voting 'aye", 2 voting 'no', none voting 'present', and the House does concur in Senate Amendments #1, 2, 3, 4 and 6 to House Bill 2645. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On the Order of Concurrence appears House Bill 2647. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2647 is an Act making appropriations to the Liquor Control Commission, together with Senate Amendment #1."

"The Lady from Cook, Ms. Barnes."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, House Bill 2647 appropriates 1,026,900 dollars for the fiscal year '85 ordinary and contingent expenses for the Liquor Control Commission. I move to accept Senate Amendment #1."

"The Lady from Cook has moved that the House do concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2647. There being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall the House concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2647?' All in favor signify by voting 'aye", those opposed vote 'no". Voting is now open, and this is final action. Have all 104  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day June 29, 1984 voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 115 voting "aye", none voting 'no', 1 voting 'present', and the House does concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2647. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On the Order of Concurrence appears House Bill 2648. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2648 is an Act making appropriations to the Illinois Commerce Commission, together with Senate Amendment #1."

"The Lady from Cook, Ms. Barnes."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. House Bill 2648 appropriates money from the Public Utility Fund and the Motor Vehicle Fund for the fiscal year '85 ordinary and contingent expenses of the Illinois Commerce Commission. I accept Senate Amendment #1."

"The Lady from Cook has moved that the House concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2648. There being no discussion, the question is, "Shall the House concur in Senate Amendment #1?" All in favor signify by voting 'aye", those opposed vote 'no". Voting is now open. This is final action. Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 106 voting 'aye', 6 voting 'no', 4 voting 'present', and the House does concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2648. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On the Order of Concurrence appears House Bill 2650. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2650 is an Act making appropriations to the Military and Naval Department, together with Senate Amendments #1, 2, 3 and 4."

"The Lady from Cook, Ms. Barnes."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, House 105  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day June 29, 1984 Bill 2650 appropriates the funding for the fiscal year '85 ordinary and contingent expenses of the Military and Naval Department. I accept Senate Amendment #1, #2, #3 and #4."

"The Lady from Cook has moved that the House do concur in Senate Amendments #1, 2, 3 and 4 to House Bill 2650. There being no discussion, the question is, Shall the House concur in Senate Amendments #1, 2, 3 and 4? All those in favor signify by voting "aye", those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is now open. This is final action. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 94 voting 'aye", 11 voting 'no", 7 voting 'present', and the House does concur in Senate Amendments 1, 2, 3 and 4 to House Bill 2650. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On the Order of Concurrence appears House Bill 2654. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2654 is an Act making appropriations to the Illinois State Historical Library, together with Senate Amendments #1 and 2."

"The Gentleman from Kendall, Mr. Hastert."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2654, which is the ordinary and contingent expense for the State Historical Library... Senate #1 is a cut for 73,193 dollars according to the Senate guidelines. Senate Amendment #2 is an addition of 4,100 dollars. I move to concur in both Senate Amendment #1 and Senate Amendment #2."

"The Gentleman from Kendall has moved that the House concur in Senate Amendments #1 and 2 to House Bill 2654. There being no discussion, the question is, Shall the House concur in Senate Amendments #1? All those in favor signify by voting 'aye", those opposed vote "no". 106  143rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 29, 1984 Voting is now open. This is final action. Senate Amendments 1 and 2. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 114 voting 'aye', none voting 'no', none voting 'present', and the House does concur in Senate Amendments #1 and 2 to House Bill 2654. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On the Order of Concurrence appears House Bill 2663. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2663 is an Act making appropriations to the Supreme Court, together with Senate Amendment #1."

"The Gentleman from Lake, Mr. Matijevich."

"Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, House Bill 2663 appropriates the General Revenue Fund to the Supreme Court for grants for probation services in Illinois. Senate Amendment #1 is a total reduction of four hundred thousand thirty-nine dollars, and I move to concur to Senate Amendment 1 to House Bill 2663."

"The Gentleman from Lake has moved that the House do concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2663. There being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall the House concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2663?' All in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is now open. This is final action. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 111 voting 'aye', 1 voting 'no', none voting 'present'. The House does concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2663. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On the Order of Concurrence appears House Bill 2729. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2729 is an Act making appropriations to the Secretary of State, together with Senate Amendments #1 107  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 29, 1984 143rd Legislative Day and 2."

"The Gentleman from Edgar, Mr. Woodyard."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I would move to concur with Senate Amendment #1 and 2. Senate Amendment #1 reduces the appropriation by 3,326,000.. Amendment #2 adds back in 1,884,000 for a total now of 169,091,000. I move for concurrence."

"The Gentleman from Edgar has moved for concurrence to Senate Amendments #1 and 2. There being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall the House concur in Senate Amendments 1 and 2 to House Bill 2729?' All in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. This is final action. Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 114 voting 'aye', 1 voting 'no', none voting 'present', and the House does concur in Senate Amendments #1 and 2 to House Bill 2729. On the Order of Concurrence appears House Bill 2765. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2765 is an Act making reappropriations to the Capital Development Board and Southern Illinois University, together with Senate Amendments #1 and 2."

"The Lady from Cook, Ms. Barnes."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 2765 approp... reappropriates money to complete capital improvement projects for which funds were previously appropriated. I accept Senate Amendment #1 and Senate Amendment #2."

"The Lady from Cook has moved that the House do concur in Senate Amendments #1 and 2 to House Bill 2765. There being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall the House concur in Senate Amendments #1 and 2?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is now open, and this is final action. Have all 108  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 29, 1984 143rd Legislative Day voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 109 voting 'aye, 1 voting 'no", none voting 'present', and the House does concur in Senate Amendments #1 and 2 to House Bill 2765. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On the Order of Concurrence appears House Bill 2769. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2769 is an Act making appropriations to the Office of State Appellate Defender, together with Senate Amendments #1."

"The Gentleman from Effingham, Mr. Prummer. Mr. Leverenz. Mr. Leverenz asks leave of the House to handle House Bill 2769. And we are in Session at this time, and I would admonish people not entitled to the floor to leave the floΟΣ. Mr. Leverenz, proceed."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I move that we concur with the Senate Amendment. Would reduce 103,000 dollars from this budget. It's for the State Appellate Defender's Office. The new amount will be four million two ninety. I so move that we accept the Senate Amendment with the concurrence."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Leverenz, moves that the House do concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2769. There being no discussion, the question is, Shall the House concur in Senate Amendment #1? All in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is now open, and this is final action. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 113 voting 'aye', none voting 'no', none voting 'present', and the House does concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bil1 2769. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Alright, on the Order of Concurrence 109  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day June 29, 1984 appears House Bill 2776. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2776, an Act making appropriations to the Department of Law Enforcement for ISEARCH Program, together with Senate Amendment #1."

"Mr. Capparelli. Mr. Capparelli yields to Mr. Leverenz for the purpose of presenting this Bill. The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Leverenz."

"Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. We will accept the technical Amendment made in the Senate. It is identical now to the House Bill that we passed at 1,858,000 dollars. I now move to concur. Thank you."

"The Gentleman from Cook has moved that the House concur in Senate Amendments #1 to House Bill 2776. There being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall the House concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2776?' Those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open, and this is final action. Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 114 voting aye, none voting 'no', none voting 'present', and the House does concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2776. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Message from the Senate."

"A Message from the Senate by Mr. Wright, Secretary. Mr. Speaker, I'm directed to inform the House of Representatives that the Senate has refused to concur with the House in the adoption of their Amendments to the following Bills: Senate Bills 1733 and 1893, action taken by the Senate June 29th, 1984. Kenneth Wright, Secretary.."

"Alright. Mr. Leverenz, are you prepared to proceed? On Supplemental Calendar #1, on the Order of 110  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day Nonconcurrence appears Senate Bill 1541. Mr. the... read the Bill." June 29, 1984 Clerk, read

"Senate Bill 1541, an Act making appropriations to the various legislative support agencies and legislative Commissions, together with House Amendments #1 and 3."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Leverenz."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I would move to... that the House refuse to recede to House Amendments #1 and 3 to Senate Bill 1541."

"The Gentleman from Cook has moved the House refused to recede from House Amendments 1 and 3 to Senate Bill 1541. There being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall the House refuse to recede from Senate... from House Amendments 1 and 3 to Senate Bill 1541? All in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the House does refuse to recede from House Amendments 1 and 3 to Senate Bill 1541 and requests the appointment of a Conference Committee. On the Order of Nonconcurrence, Supplemental Calendar #1, appears Senate Bill 1547. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 1547, an Act to provide for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the General Assembly, together with House Amendment #1."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Leverenz, with leave of the House to handle this Bill. Mr. Leverenz, proceed."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I would move that the House refuse to recede in Senate... in House Amendment, rather, #1 to Senate Bill 1547 and that a Conference Committee be appointed."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Leverenz, has moved that the House refuse to recede from Senate... from 111  143rd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 29, 1984 House Amendment #1 to Senate Bill 1547. There being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall the House refuse to recede from House Amendment #1? All in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the House refuses to recede from House Amendment #1 to Senate Bill 1547 and requests that a Conference Committee be appointed. On the Order of Nonconcurrence, Supplemental Calendar #1. appears Senate Bill 1548. Mr. Leverenz, the Gentleman... Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 1548, an Act making appropriations to certain expenses of the General Assembly, together with House Amendments #1 and 2."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Leverenz. Leave of the House to handle this Bill. Proceed."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I move the House refuse to recede in Senate Amendments #1 and 2 to Senate Bill 1548 and that a Conference Committee be appointed."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Leverenz, moves that the House refuse to recede from House Amendments #1 and 2 to Senate Bill 1548. There being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall the House refuse to recede from Amendments #1 and 2?' All in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. And the House refuses to recede from House Amendments 1 and 2 to Senate Bill 1548 and requests that a Conference Committee be appointed. On page five of the Calendar, on the Order of Nonconcurrence appears Senate Bill 1612. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill, Senate Bill 1612."

"Senate Bill 1612 amends an Act in relationship to civic centers, together with House Amendments #2, 4, 5, 7, 9 and 10." 112  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day

June 29, 1984 "The Gentleman from DuPage, Mr. Hoffman." "Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I move that the House refuse to recede from Amendments 2, 4, 5, 7, 9 and 10 and that a Conference Committee be appointed."

"The Gentleman from DuPage, Mr. Hoffman, has moved that the House refuse to recede from Senate... from House Amendments #2, 4, 5, 7, 9 and 10. All in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. No, I'm sorry. We don't need that. Clear that. All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes have it. And the House does refuse to recede from House Amendments 2, 4, 5, 7, 9, and 10 to Senate Bill 1612 and requests the appointment of a Conference Committee. Alright. On the Supplemental Calendar #1, on the Order of Motions appears House Resolution 1141. Mr. Levin."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I would move to bypass Committee and place on the Speaker's Table for immediate consideration House Resolution 1141. This Resolution deals with the question of Social Security Disability. You may remember earlier in the Session we had House Bill 2838. And this Resolution, I think, represents a concensus position that's come out of discussions with the Department of Rehabilitative Services, and I think it's something that all the Members of the House can support. We are... all concerned about it. Our constituents have had serious problems. There are many people who have been denied benefits, and we all know that the reversal rates on the denials has been in excess of 85%. The Resolution calls for the Advisory Council of the Department to report back by November 1st as far as the Department's activities in terms of coming up with rules and regs to try to 113  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day June 29, 1984 overcome the problems that we're all concerned about. If there are any questions, you know, be happy to answer them, but at this point I would move that we do bypass Committee so we can consider this Agreed Resolution."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Levin, has moved to bypass Committee with respect to House Resolution 1141 and place the same on the Speaker's Table for immediate consideration. Is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Sangamon, Mr. Curran."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I rise in support of the Gentleman's Motion and to congratulate him and the other Members who were Sponsors of this Resolution as well as the administration of the Department of Rehabilitative Services and AFSCHE 2000 for their participation in this cooperative agreement... cooperative Agreed Resolution. And I support it, and I think it's a good idea... ask for an 'aye' vote."

"Further discussion? The Gentleman from Livingston, Mr. Ewing."

"Where is this on our Calendar, Mr. Speaker?"

"It's on Supplemental Calendar #1 on the Order of Motions."

"I wonder if... Thank you."

"Alright. There being no further discussion, does the Gentleman have leave to use the Attendance Roll Call? Alright, the Gentleman has leave. Alright, the Gentleman has leave apparently. Now on the Order... On the Speaker's Table pursuant to the Motion that we have just passed appears House Resolution 1141. And on that, the Chair recognizes Mr. Levin."

"Okay, let me open and Representative O'Connell close. This Resolution recognizes the problems that many of our constituents have had as far as being found not to qualify 114  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day June 29, 1984 for social security disability and the extremely high reversal rate that has occurred on these denials once they have gotten to the administrative law Judges. What it does is to call on the Governor's Advisory Council to the Bureau of Disability and Adjudicative Services of the Department of Rehabilitative Services to report back to the General Assembly by November 1st with respect to the activities of the Bureau of Disability and Adjudicative Services to overcome the... this problem. I know that the Department has begun a dialogue with many of those who are involved in the field, with Legal Assistance Foundation. And, in fact, we'll be meeting next week with the staff of the Joint Committee on Administrative Rules to discuss adopting rules and regs, doing many of the things that were proposed in House Bill 2838. This, I think, gets us started as far as coming up with a solution. There was a concern that we would be out of conformity with any proposed federal legislation. This certainly gives the Department the ability to see what goes on in the Congress and to act in accordance with what... what happens in the next few months in Washington... but to begin to address what I think is a concern of many, many people."

"Further discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. O'Connell."

"To close, Mr. Speaker."

"Ladies and Gentlemen, give the... give Gentleman your attention. This is a matter of significance. Please. Proceed."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'd simply ask that there be a favorable adoption of this Resolution. It will go a long way toward preventing needy people who are truly disabled to acquire their federal Social Security benefits. I might add it would also go a long way in... in saving the State 115  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day June 29, 1984 of Illinois the expenditures of funds through its public aid and other state programs where as genuinely an obligation on the part of the federal Social Security Program for so many people that are truly disabled but have not been given a proper criteria for determining their disability. I'd simply ask that there be a favorable adoption of this Resolution."

"Mr... Mr. Clerk, would you like to announce..."

"House... House Calendar Supplemental 2 is now being distributed."

"Further discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall House Resolution 1141 be adopted?' All in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Amendment... Would you like a Roll Call? Alright. Alright. All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. I'm sorry. Mr. Hastert to explain his vote."

"Well, Representative or Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I wanted to explain my vote on this. You know, we've had some hearings on this this winter, and we had a great deal of people before us to testify up in Chicago on this issue. After extensive question most of the people that we had questioned already had their disability benefits. I think it is important that we try to put people on these... and qualify people and our agencies qualify people and screen people to put them on this benefits, but I think it is also very important that we are able to screen those people and to make sure that there is people there that don't belong there. And, you know, it's a very, I guess, maybe politically attractive type of Resolution to plan here, but 116  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day June 29, 1984 the reality is we have to have checks and balances. I think the real evil in this situation are the lawyers who hire these... are hired by these people to represent them and then take their disability benefits away from them."

"On this question, there are ... Mr. McCracken, are you having some kind of a fit there? Alright, McCracken votes 'no'."

"No"

"Alright. On this question, there are 104 voting 'aye', 3 voting 'no', 2 voting 'present', and the House does adopt House Resolution 1141. Mr. Clerk, on Supplemental Calendar #2."

"There is a printing error on Supplemental Calendar #2 under Senate Bill 1893. It should read House Amendments #16 and 93 instead of 23."

"Alright. On Supplemental Calendar #2, on the Order of Nonconcurrence appears Senate Bill 1733. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 1733 amends certain Acts in relationship to toll highways together with House Amendments #1, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 13 and 16."

"The Gentleman from DeWitt, Mr. Vinson."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Assembly. I move that the House refuse to recede in the House Amendments to Senate Bill 1733 and request that a Conference Committee be appointed with the Senate."

"The Gentleman from DeWitt has moved that the House refuse to recede from House Amendments 1, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 13 and 16 to Senate Bill 1733. There being no discussion... I am sorry. The question... Mr. Bowman. Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Bowman."

"Does that mean he is supporting the Skyway?"

"Pardon, Mr. Bowman." 117  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day June 29, 1984

"Does that mean he is supporting the Skyway? Oh, that's okay. I'll support the Gentleman in his Motion."

"Mr. Bowman, thank you. The question is, Shall the House refuse to recede from House Amendments 1, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 13 and 16? All in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes have it, and the House does refuse to recede from those Amendments and request that a Conference Committee be appointed. On the... On Supplemental Calendar #2, on the Order of Nonconcurrence appears Senate Bill 1893. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 1893 amends an Act creating the Tourism Fund in the State Treasury, together with House Amendments #16 and 93."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Nash."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I refuse... I move to refuse to recede from House Amendment 16 and 93 and ask that a Conference Committee be appointed."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Nash, moves that the House refuse to recede from House Amendment 16 and 93 to Senate Bill 1893. And on that, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from DeWitt, Mr. Vinson."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I support the Gentleman's Motion."

"The question is, Shall the House refuse to..."

"Thank you, Mr. Vinson."

"The question is, Shall the House refuse to recede from House Amendments 16 and 93 to Senate Bill 1893? All in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes have it, and the House does refuse to recede from House Amendments 16 and 93 to Senate Bill 1893 and request that a Conference 118  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day June 29, 1984 Committee be appointed. The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Cullerton, on a Motion."

"Yes. Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I would move that we would extend the deadline on the following Senate Bills till tomorrow at the hour of 12:00 midnight. That would be June 30th. Midnight, June 30th. Senate Bill 1889 dealing the Compensation Review Board; Senate Bill 1850 dealing with the issue of Commissions and Senate Bill 1562, which deals with an appropriation to the Department of - it is pronounced either Insurance or Ensurance."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Cullerton, moves that the House deadline... that the rules deadline be suspended with respect to Senate Bills 1562, 1850 and 1889 until 12:00 midnight, tomorrow night. And on that question, the Gentleman from DeWitt, Mr. Vinson."

"I support the Gentleman's Motion."

"Thank you. Do the Gentleman have leave to use the Attendance Roll Call? Leave. Alright, leave is granted, and the Motion carries. Yes, for what purpose does the Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Leverenz, seek recognition?"

"I have an inquiry of the Chair. Could you tell me the deadline and what it was extended to to Senate Bill 1450?"

"We are checking that at this very moment, Mr. Leverenz. Yes, the Gentleman from Lake, Mr. Matijevich."

"Well, if there is a hangup on that issue, I made the Motion the night before last on Senate Bill 1450, 1609, 1610 that the deadline be the end of the Session of the Spring Session."

"That is our recollection as well, Mr. Matijevich, and they're just checking just to make double sure. Mr. Matijevich, you are correct. Senate Bills 1450, 119  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL 'ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 143rd Legislative Day June 29, 1984 1609 and 1610 indeed were suspended until the end of the spring term, and apparently, you have quite a following out there. Sometimes wrong but never in doubt. The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Cullerton, for a pleasant Resolution... Motion."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I move that the House stand ad journed until tomorrow morning at 10:00 a.."

"Alright. Before we do that Notion I would tell the Body that we will begin the Conference Committees promptly, so I would suggest that you all be here promptly. The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Cullerton, moves that the House stands adjourned until the hour of 10:00 tomorrow. All in favor signify by saying 'aye", those opposed 'no'. The 'ayes have it, and the House does stand adjourned." 120  10/01/84 11:49 STATE OF ILLINOIS 63RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES DAILY TRANSCRIPTION OF DEBATE INDEX JUNE 29, 1984 PAGE 1 HB-1399 VETO MESSAGE PAGE 50 HB-1563 CONCURRENCE PAGE 24 HB-2049 OTHER PAGE 90 HB-2296 CONCURRENCE PAGE 18 HB-2388 CONCURRENCE PAGE 83 HB-2530 CONCURRENCE PAGE 94 HB-2546 CONCURRENCE PAGE 93 HB-2547 CONCURRENCE PAGE 93 HB-2610 CONCURRENCE PAGE 95 HB-2624 CONCURRENCE PAGE 96 HB-2631 CONCURRENCE PAGE 98 HB-2633 CONCURRENCE PAGE 99 HB-2636 CONCURRENCE PAGE 99 HB-2637 CONCURRENCE PAGE 93 HB-2638 CONCURRENCE PAGE 93 HB-2639 CONCURRENCE PAGE 100 HB-2640 CONCURRENCE PAGE 93 HB-2642 CONCURRENCE PAGE 101 HB-2643 CONCURRENCE PAGE 102 HB-2644 CONCURRENCE PAGE 103 HB-2645 CONCURRENCE PAGE 103 HB-2647 CONCURRENCE PAGE 104 HB-2648 CONCURRENCE PAGE 105 HB-2650 CONCURRENCE PAGE 105 HB-2654 CONCURRENCE PAGE 106 HB-2663 CONCURRENCE PAGE 107 HB-2664 CONCURRENCE PAGE 93 HB-2729 CONCURRENCE PAGE 107 HB-2765 CONCURRENCE PAGE 108 HB-2769 CONCURRENCE PAGE 109 HB-2775 CONCURRENCE PAGE 4 HB-2776 CONCURRENCE PAGE 110 HB-2785 CONCURRENCE PAGE 93 HB-3091 CONCURRENCE PAGE 5 HB-3110 CONCURRENCE PAGE 49 HB-3136 OTHER PAGE 91 SB-0833 NON-CONCURRENCE PAGE 21 SB-1217 NON-CONCURRENCE PAGE 82 SB-1522 NON-CONCURRENCE PAGE 87 SB-1524 NON-CONCURRENCE PAGE 15 SB-1541 NON-CONCURRENCE PAGE 111 SB-1547 NON-CONCURRENCE PAGE 111 SB-1548 NON-CONCURRENCE PAGE 112 SB-1562 MOTION PAGE 119 SB-1612 NON-CONCURRENCE PAGE 112 SB-1629 NON-CONCURRENCE PAGE 20 SB-1733 THIRD READING PAGE 84 SB-1733 NON-CONCURRENCE PAGE 117 SB-1743 NON-CONCURRENCE PAGE 81 SB-1746 NON-CONCURRENCE PAGE 82 SB-1794 NON-CONCURRENCE PAGE 16 SB-1841 NON-CONCURRENCE PAGE 81 SB-1850 MOTION PAGE 119 SB-1870 NON-CONCURRENCE PAGE 8 SB-1881 NON-CONCURRENCE PAGE 8 SB-1889 MOTION PAGE 119 SB-1893 SECOND READING PAGE 64 SB-1893 THIRD READING PAGE 77 SB-1893 NON-CONCURRENCE PAGE 118 SB-1893 MOTION PAGE 76 SB-1911 NON-CONCURRENCE PAGE 9 SB-1928 NON-CONCURRENCE PAGE 10 SB-1939 NON-CONCURRENCE PAGE 14 HR-1127 ADOPTED PAGE 2 HR-1141 MOTION PAGE 113  10/01/84 11:49 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES DAILY TRANSCRIPTION OF DEBATE INDEX JUNE 29, 1984 HR-1141 ADOPTED HJR-0147 CONCURRENCE PAGE 2 PAGE 114 PAGE 6 SUBJECT MATTER HOUSE TO ORDER - REPRESENTATIVE GREIMAN PAGE 1 PRAYER - REVEREND SAUGHNEYSY SMALL PAGE 1 PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE PAGE 1 ROLL CALL FOR ATTENDANCE PAGE 1 MESSAGE FROM SENATE PAGE 2 RECESS PAGE 20 HOUSE RECONVENES - SPEAKER MADIGAN IN CHAIR PAGE 20 INTRODUCTION OF STAPLE SINGERS PAGE 23 REPRESENTATIVE GREIMAN IN CHAIR PAGE 49 MESSAGE FROM SENATE PAGE 49 SPEAKER MADIGAN IN CHAIR PAGE 50 REPRESENTATIVE GREIMAN IN CHAIR PAGE 64 AGREED RESOLUTIONS PAGE 85 GENERAL RESOLUTIONS PAGE 86 DEATH RESOLUTIONS PAGE 86 MESSAGE FROM SENATE PAGE 110 ADJOURNMENT PAGE 120