Illinois House Floor Debate — November 28, 1984

"The House will come to order. The House will come to order. The Members will be in their chairs. The Chaplain for today will be Reverend James Lowery, Pastor of Antioch Christian Church of Decatur. Reverend Lowery is a guest of Representative John Dunn. The guests in the gallery please stand and join us in the invocation."

"...pray. Our Father in Heaven, in whom we live and move and have our being, the very source of all our strength. In the early hours of this new day, as these, Your servants, under Your command, ordain to represent this General Assembly of the State of Illinois, and the peoples of this great state take council with Thee. And having sought Your guidance and Your leading in matters of the state and for the good of all, and with the overwhelming conviction that there really is nowhere else to go, may they continue, Father, in their deliberation with no aberration. Our wisdom and those about us seem so insufficient. And if the right choices and the right decisions are not made, You will allow us to go our way, but to our own ruin, for Thy ways are mysterious and profound. There is nothing left for the heart of man but to believe and to trust where it cannot reason. We can only believe that Thou hast founded our nation, that Thou hast made our world and governed it. And in this Assembly, those who await the awesome responsibilities know assuredly that without Thy assistance cannot succeed, but with Your help, cannot fail. It is into Your commending care as in this prayer I make to Thee, the God of our Fathers and the Father of us all, through Your son even Jesus Christ, our Lord, who liveth and reigneth forever, bless each and everyone of You who serve over us, may we follow You well. Amen." 1  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 148th Legislative Day November 29, 1984

"Led in the pledge allegiance by Representative Ropp."

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

"Roll Call for Attendance. 104 Members answering the Roll Call. A quorum is present. Representative Greiman."

"For today, we have excused absences of Representatives Alexander, Brookins, Harkette and Rice."

"Thank you. Representative Vinson, do you have any excused absences? None. Thank you. Representative Vinson."

"I was just curious to see if my microphone was working today. Thank you."

"Is it working?"

"It's working."

"I'm sure that's a relief to everyone on the floor. Resolutions."

"House Resolution 1253, offered by Representative Shaw; 1257, by Representative Hensel; 1258, by Representative Greiman; 1259, by Representative Greiman; 1260, by Representative Greiman; 1261, by Representative Greiman; 1262, by Virginia Frederick and John Matijevich; 1263, by Representative Harris; 1265, by Representative Matijevich - et al; 1266, by Representative Terzich; 1268, by Representative Friedrich; 1269, by Representative Nautino; 1274, by Representative Karpiel; 1275, by Representative Currie; 1276, by Representative Keane and McGann; 1277, by Representative Topinka; 1278, by Representative Topinka; 1279, by Representative Johnson; 1280, by Representative Johnson; 1281, by Representative 2  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 148th Legislative Day November 28, 1984 Johnson; 1292, by Representative Johnson; 1294, by Representative Harris; 1285, by Representative Harris; 1286, by Representative Harris; 1287, by Representative Harris; 1288, by Representative Hallock and Giorgi. House Joint Resolution 184, by Representative Ropp; 185, by Representative DiPrima; 186, by Representative DiPrima; 187, by Representative DiPrima; 188, by Representative DiPrima; and 189, by Representative DeJaegher."

"Representative Zeke Greiman. I mean Alan Greiman."

"I move for the adoption of the...."

"On the Agreed Resolutions."

"1253, congratulating Carver; 1257, attention to Monsignor Cloos; 1258, congratulates Dan Mesenbrink on his retirement; 1259, congratulates Judith and Michael Portman; 1260, Bernard B. Wolfe for his retirement; 1262, the city manager of Lake Forest congratulates the outstanding management; 1263, Eagle Scout for Stewart L. Abbink; 1265, 75th Anniversary of North Chicago; 1266, congratulating Charles Skorzewski as Eagle Scout; 1268, recognizing the 60th year of Al Christ as Chairman of the Board; 1269, acknowledging mine disasters at Cherry, Illinois and the anniversary of it; 1274, congratulating Mark Gorski on his gold medal in cycling; 1275, congratulating Gladys Finn on her 90th birthday; 1276, congratulating the State Volleyball Champions at Mother McAuley High; 1277, congratulating firefighter Accardo and Bocek for fire prevention; 1278, 74th Anniversary of Herman and Mrs. Schultz; 1279, exceptional bravery of Morris Dague in Newman, Illinois; 1280, the bravery of Vince Shackley, safety and health manager; 1281, retirement of Judge... Betty Mallow as Clerk; 1282, a Gold Medal for Sharon Hedrick, congratulations for her; 1294, Eagle Scout 3  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 148th Legislative Day November 28, 1984 designation by David Kerkemeyer; 1285, Eagle Scout designation of Mark La Monica; 1286, Eagle Scout designation of Joseph Meehan; 1287, Eagle Scout designation of Gerald Petersen; 1288, a recognition of Ron Merriott on the Olympic diving team and congratulations to him for his efforts; 1284 (sic - House Joint Resolution 184); the prevention of accidents by Beth Wudtke; 1285 (sic - 185); celebration of the 50th Anniversary of St. John Bosco Parish; 1286 (sic - 186); the election of Bernice Warren as AMVETS Auxiliary President; 1287 (sic - 187); the election of Betty Wineland as AMVETS former retiree... former President of AMVETS; 1288 (sic - 188) recognition of the injured and killed young men on their patriotic duty in the U.S. Armed Forces; and 189, recognition of the good work of the East Moline Rotary Club. Mr. Speaker, I move for the adoption of the Agreed Resolutions."

"Representative Greiman moves for the adoption of the Agreed Resolutions. All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it, and the Agreed Resolutions are adopted. Death Resolutions."

"House Resolution 1252, with the respect to the memory of Alvergia Brown of Chicago. House Resolution 1254, by Representative Shaw, with the respect to the memory of Mr. Robert Johnson, Jr. House Resolution 1256, Mike Curran and Matijevich, with the respect to the memory of former doorkeeper Lyndell Dieterle. House Resolution 1264, by Capparelli and McAuliffe. We've already adopted that Resolution. House Resolution 1274, by Representative Shaw, with the respect to the memory of Mr. John Johnson. House Resolution 1271, by Representative Shaw, with the respect to the memory of Mr. Denson McGraw. House Resolution 1274, by Representative LeFlore, with the respect to the memory of Reverend King, the father of 4  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 149th Legislative Day November 28, 1984 Martin Luther King. House Resolution 1283, by Representative Johnson, with the respect to the memory of Richard E. Franks, and House Resolution 1289, by Representative Nash and Madigan, with the respect to the memory of Frank A. Damato."

"Representative Greiman moves for the adoption of the Death Resolutions. All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Death Resolutions are adopted. General Resolution."

"House Joint Resolution 181, offered by Representative Mautino."

"Committee on Assignment. Introduction and First Reading."

"House Bill 3289, offered by Representative Braun, a Bill for an Act to amend the Citizens' Utility Board Act. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 3290, offered by Representative O'Connell, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Criminal Code. First Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Cullerton."

"Yes, I have a very interesting Motion here, Mr. Speaker."

"Yes, pro... read the Motion. Proceed with the Motion."

"I move that we dispense with reading of the Journals, and that's Journals #131 of June 7th; 132 of June 12th."

"What number was that?"

"#131 of June 7th; 132 of June 12th; 133 of June 13th; 134, I particularly remember that one, 134 of June 14th; 135 of June 15th; 136, was a good Journal, of June 16th. Journals #137 of June 17th, then there was a little lull. The next Journal is 138 of June 22nd. Then there was another lull and Journal 139 of June 25th. Journal 140 of June 26th. Journal 141 of June 27th, and then we're 5  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 148th Legislative Day November 28, 1984 getting down to the end of the Session. Journal 142 of June 28th. Journal 143 of June 29, and then, of course, Journal 144, that was on June 30th. That's when we worked until after midnight, and then, of course, when all of the deals were cut, Journal 145 of July 1, 1984. I move that they be approved as read."

"What was the number for June 30th?"

"June 30th number was 144."

"Oh, yes."

"Remember that?"

"Representative Friedrich."

"Mr. Speaker, the Clerk has gone over these, and we're also going over these. There were a number of corrections that were submitted to the Journal of November the 14th. And I would concur to approve these subject to reviewing those changes that were made in the Journal of November the 14th."

"Representative Monroe Flinn on the Motion. Monroe Flinn."

"Mr. Speaker, I'd like to get a copy of them. I didn't get all those numbers as they went through them."

"Representative Younge has a copy, Mr. Flinn. Representative Vinson."

"I just wonder why he's afraid to read those Journals, Mr. Speaker."

"I beg your pardon?"

"I want to know why he's afraid to read those Journals."

"Representative Cullerton. I think that was a rhetorical question..."

"In those Journals is the tale of sleaze and corruption."

"Representative Vinson."

"Is that because that's the Journal where the Speaker 6  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 148th Legislative Day November 28, 1984 promised to build the new ladies room?"

"I don't believe that was one of those Journals. I think that was a previous Journal. The Gentleman's Motion is the dispense with the reading of those Journals and have them approved. All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Motion carries. Page eight of the Calendar, Reduction and Item Veto Motions, appears House Bill 2637, Representative Bowman. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 2637, Reduction Veto Motion."

"Representative Bowman."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen. With leave of the Body, I would like to take Motion #1 and Motion #2 on the same Roll Call, because they refer to exactly the same expenditure which appears in two different places in the budget Bill. Do I have leave?"

"The Gentleman asks leave to hear Motion #1 and Motion #2 on House Bill 2637. Are there any objections? Representative Bowman, there are no objection, but the first Motion takes 60 and the second takes 71, so taking both the other, I presume would require 71. You still want to proceed?"

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, because..."

"Wait a minute. Representative Hastert, do you object? No. Okay, Representative Bowman. Do you want to proceed? There are no objections."

"Okay..."

"You want to proceed?"

"Mr. Speaker, let me... let me, then, thank you for pointing that out. I will take the first one.... I will take them individually."

"Representative Bowman on Motion #1."

"Yeah, thank you very much. Motion #1 restores $160,000 7  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 149th Legislative Day November 28, 1984 of General Revenue Funds for repairs, maintenance and capital improvements. These funds were originally added to the Governor's budget based on recommendations of the Illinois School for the Deaf Advisory Board. Also this school recently had unexpected problems with their steampipes which cost $50,000 for temporary repairs. These funds will relieve the unexpected financial burden and still provide some of the Advisory Board's recommendation. Currently, there is a supplemental request for the entire steampipe and boiler system, but in the meantime before the... with winter approaching, we need to make these repairs. It's unlikely that we'll be able to replace the entire system before the winter comes on, so we need the other... this $160,000 provided for Motion #1 for the emergency repairs for the steampipes and for other items recommended by the Advisory Board for the School for the Deaf. I move that we restore the item on page eight, line 23."

"The Gentleman has moved to restore the Reduction as indicated. And on that question, the Gentleman from Morgan, Representative Ryder."

"Mr. Speaker, I rise in support of the Motion and would indicate to the Representative that I have filed Motion 20, which accomplishes the same thing. I'm wondering if he would object strenuously if I were to be included on his Motion."

"Representative Bowman, do you object to include Ryder on your Motion?"

"I'm always happy to receive support from any and all, and I thank the Representative for his support."

"Representative Ryder, there is no objection at all to that."

"Thank you. Thank you, and then to the... To the Motion." 3  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 148th Legislative Day November 28, 1994 I stand in support of this. The school has suffered extensive capital disruption recently that caused loss of even some educational time. These capital improvements are very definitely needed, and the school does a good job and we appreciate the support that it's received. Thank you."

"The Gentleman from Kendall, Representative Hastert."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I must stand in opposition of the Gentleman's Motion. This money was added on over and above the Governor's budget. What we had actually done is to spend 70... we have spent $77,000 at the Jacksonville school. We had rehabilitated some of the outside exterior and interior part of the dormitories. So what we've done is add actually 77,000. They're asking for an additional $160,000 which is way and above the budget and actually what we can do before the construction season ends this year, and would ask that you would reject that Motion."

"Gentleman from DeWitt, Representative Vinson."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Assembly. I would echo Representative Hastert's comments. We're beginning to get to the position where Jacksonville is going to be completely sunk under state concrete. We've built prisons, mental health institutions, schools for the deaf and the blind in Jacksonville, and they come back with a list of improvements in the regular budget and then they come back with another list of improvements in the Veto Session. All they want is more and more state concrete down there, and I would urge that we vote 'no' on the Gentleman's Motion. Enough is enough in Jacksonville."

"Further discussion? Being none, Representative Bowman to close."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the 9  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 149th Legislative Day November 28, 1984 House. I hope the people in this chamber understand that we are not building a highway in Jacksonville. We are rehabilitating the School for the Deaf. These are young children, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, these are deaf children. They need extensive training and rehabilitation. so they may lead useful and productive lives as adult citizens of this state. We have neglected those schools over a long number of years. The schools are in a terrible, deplorable state of disrepair, and we are simply trying to catch up, here, with a number of years of neglect. And I think that $160,000 of money which the General Assembly had, in its wisdom, appropriated last spring needs to be restored, so that we can make up for these years of neglect for these children at the School for the Deaf."

"Representative Bowman moves to restore the Item Reduction. The question is, 'Shall the Reduced Item of Appropriation on page eight, line 23 of House Bill 2637, be restored to its original amount, notwithstanding the reduction of the Governor?' This is final action. All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. Representative Bowman."

"Poll the absentees, please."

"The Gentleman asks for Poll of the Absentees, Mr. Clerk. Representative Piel."

"A clarific... A word of clarification from the Chair, Mr. Speaker. Did you say this took 71...?"

"No. This takes 60."

"Okay, so he's not including both of them in one."

"That's correct."

"Thank you."

"Representative Hastert." 10  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 148th Legislative Day November 28, 1984

"Yes, in case they have the requisite number, I would like to ask for a verification."

"Fine."

"Poll of the Absentees. Alexander. Braun. Brookins. Capparelli. Domico. Hicks. Huff. Krska. Markette. Mautino. Nash. Oblinger. Preston. Rice and Taylor. No further."

"Speaker Madigan 'aye'. Representative Vinson."

"I believe Mr. Hastert wants to request a verification."

"Representative Giglio from 'aye' to 'present'. What's the count, Mr. Clerk? Representative Capparelli 'aye'. What's the count, Mr. Clerk? On the Motion, there are 60 'ayes', 42 'nos', 2 voting 'present'. Representative Hastert... Representative Hastert has asked for a verification. Representative Tuerk."

"How am I recorded?"

"You're recorded as 'aye'."

"Vote me 'no'."

"Representative Tuerk from 'aye' to 'no'. Representative McPike from 'present' to 'aye'. Representative Hastert has asked for a verification."

"Poll of the Affirmative. Berrios. Bowman. Breslin. Brummer. Brunsvold. Bullock. Capparelli. Christensen. Cullerton. Curran. Currie. DeJaegher. DiPrima. Doyle. John Dunn. Farley. Flinn. Giorgi. Greiman. Hannig. Hawkinson. Homer. Jaffe. Keane. Kulas. Laurino. LeFlore. Leverenz. Levin. Marzuki. Matijevich. McGann. McHaster. McPike. Mulcahey. O'Connell. Panayotovich. Pangle. William Peterson. Pierce. Rea. Rhem. Richmond. Ronan. Ryder. Saltsman. Satterthwaite. Shaw. Slape. Steczo. Stuffle. Terzich. Turner. Van Duyne. Vitek. White. Wolf. Younge. McNamara and Mr. Speaker." 11  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 148th Legislative Day November 28, 1984

"Representative Hastert. Representative Keane asks for leave to be verified. Representative Hastert, is that alright?"

"Representative Alexander."

"Representative Hastert."

"Yes. Keane is fine."

"Okay. Representative Alexander is not recorded."

"I'm sorry. Berrios."

"Representative Younge has asked leave to be verified. Wyvetter Younge, in the rear of the chamber. Representative Berrios is in his chair."

"Representative DiPrima."

"Representative DiPrima. Is the Gentleman in the chamber? Representative DiPrima. I don't see him on your side of the aisle anywhere. Remove Representative DiPrima from the Roll Call."

"Representative Farley."

"Representative Farley is in his chair."

"Representative Flinn."

"Representative Flinn is in his chair."

"Representative Giorgi."

"Representative Giorgi."

"Is he in his office?"

"Representative Zeke Giorgi. Representative Giorgi in the chamber? Remove Representative Giorgi from the Roll Call."

"Representative John Dunn."

"He's here."

"Representative Kulas."

"Representative Kulas. In his chair."

"Representative Marzuki."

"Representative Marzuki is in his chair." 12  STATE OF ILLINOIS 33RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 148th Legislative Day November 28, 1984

"Representative McGann."

"Representative McGann is in his chair."

"He didn't raise his hand or I just didn't see it. Representative McMaster."

"You said McMaster? He's here."

"Panayotovich."

"Representative Panayotovich. The Gentleman in the chamber? Remove him from the Roll."

"Representative Pangle."

"He's in his chair."

"Representative Peterson."

"Representative Peterson. Representative Peterson here? Remove him from the Roll."

"Representative Rhem."

"Representative Rhem. Remove the Gentleman from the Roll."

"Representative Rice."

"Representative Rice is not recorded."

"Representative... Representative Ronan."

"He's here."

"Representative Shaw."

"Representative Shaw. Representative Shaw in the chamber? He's in the chamber. He's in his chair. Representative Rhem would like to be recorded 'aye'. Representative Nash 'aye'."

"Representative Slape."

"Representative Mike Slape. The Gentleman in the chamber? Remove him from the Roll."

"Representative Turner."

"Representative Turner. Gentleman in the chamber? Remove him from the Roll."

"Representative White."

"He's in his chair." 13  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 148th Legislative Day November 28, 1984

"Could I have the count, please, Mr. Speaker?"

"Pardon me?"

"The count."

"You have any further questions?"

"Not at this time."

"Representative Mautino would like to be recorded as 'aye'. Anyone seeking recognition? Representative Hicks 'aye'. On this Motion there are 57 'ayes', 43 'nos', 1 voting 'present', and the Motion fails. Representative Bowman on Motion #2. Mr. Clerk. Out of the record. Representative Bowman on Motion #3. Read the Motion."

"Motion. I move to restore the following reduced items of appropriations in House Bill 2737 (sic - House Bill 2637), the reduction of the Governor notwithstanding, page five, line 18."

"Representative Bowman."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Leave of the Body to take 3, 4 and 5 on the same Roll Call. These are all reduction vetoes and require 60 votes."

"The Gentleman asks leave to hear Motion 3, 4 and 5 on the same Roll Call. Is there leave? No objection, leave is granted. Mr. Clerk, read the Motion 4 and 5."

"Motion #4, I move to restore the following reduced items of appropriations in House Bill 2737 (sic - House Bill 2637), the reduction of the Governor notwithstanding, page 5, line 20. Motion #5, I move to restore the following reduced items of appropriations in House Bill 2737 (sic - House Bill 2637), the reduction of the Governor notwithstanding, page 5, line 22."

"Representative Bowman."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. First, let me say I won't accept any Joint Sponsors on this Motion unless they can bring five votes along with 14  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 148th Legislative Day November 28, 1984 them. This particular Motion restores $27,000 in personal services, retirement and social security. The three Motions that were rolled into one refer to those lines separately, personal services, retirement and social security, but they... they're all for the same purpose, namely providing full funding for four program staffs originally recommended by the Board of the School for the Deaf. The... I'm sorry, the visually impaired. These funds were originally added to the Governor's budget, based on the recommendations of that Board. The Governor cut them. The... Approximately two of the four positions were eliminated by the Governor's veto, and this will restore full funding for program staffs at the Illinois Visually Handicapped Institute. I move that we now restore the $27,700 in these three lines."

"The Gentleman has moved to restore the Governor's reduction vetoes. And on that, Gentleman from Kendall, Representative Hastert."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I stand opposed to the Gentleman's Motion. Basically what happened here is the Governor's budget had expended $726,800 for this line item. They came in and asked for four jobs. The Governor, in his budget, in his reduction veto, gave them in a compromise two jobs. So what we're asking for is a relatively stable amount of charges in this institution. We've increased jobs over and above the budget by two people, an increase of almost $27,000. In the sake of compromise, we'd ask that we would accept the Governor's recommendation and reject the Gentleman's move to override the Governor's budget."

"Representative Vinson."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, we have absolutely no way of knowing, as the Sponsor suggests, that this money will be spent on 15  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 148th Legislative Day November 28, 1984 program. It may be spent on grass cutters. It might be badly misspent. And so, I would urge a 'no' vote on them."

"Further discussion? Representative Bowman to close."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I think the suggestion by the previous speaker is either preposterous or speaks very poorly for the departments that are administered by his Governor. In fact, these four positions, the two positions that we're restoring are nursing positions. These are nursing positions that were requested by the Advisory Board of the Illinois Visually Handicapped Institute. Now, these will provide twenty-four hour medical care for the children at the Visually Handicapped Institute. These children are school age. They are blind. Some of them are multiply handicapped, and they need these kinds of services. I think its preposterous to suggest that the administration at their school would be so callous as to channel the money into other directions. It is $27,000, Ladies and Gentlemen, $27,000 for the blind children of this state, for their medical care and treatment. I move that we restore the three lines for a total of $27,700."

"The Gentleman has moved to restore the Governor's reduction. The question is, 'Shall the reduced item of appropriation on page five, line 18, page five, line 20 and page five, line 22 to House Bill 2637 be restored to its original amount notwithstanding the reduction of the Governor?' This is final action. All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Representative Bowman to explain his vote."

"Well, I just can't imagine that we're having such a bitter controversy over $27,000 for nursing positions for blind kids. I mean we've got, you know, some pretty 16  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 148th Legislative Day November 29, 1984 tightfisted people in this Assembly, but this is absolutely ridiculous. You know, Christmas is coming to the School for the Blind, too, you know, and you don't want to be the ones that steal Christmas for those poor kids over there in Jacksonville who are depending on us here in the General Assembly. I can't believe that people are actually doing this."

"Representative Leverenz, to explain his vote."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I just... I really don't understand it. I'm sure these two positions are very deserving. They were in the original budget, but I guess the press releases will say Republicans gang up and stop and kill the programs for the visually impaired to balance the budget. Thank you."

"Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. Representative Hastert, are you seeking recognition?"

"I would like to ask for a verification."

"Representative Hastert. On this Motion, there are 61 'ayes', 47 'nos'. The Gentleman has asked for a verification."

"Poll of the Affirmative. Alexander. Correction. Poll of the Affirmative. Berrios."

"Representative Van Duyne asks leave to be verified. Representative Hastert, Representative Van Duyne. Thank you. Proceed, Mr. Clerk."

"Beginning with the Poll of the Affirmative. Berrios. Bowman. Breslin. Brummer. Brunsvold. Bullock. Capparelli. Christensen. Cullerton. Curran. Currie. DeJaegher. DiPrima. Doyle. John Dunn. Farley. Flinn. Giglio. Giorgi. Greiman. Hannig. Hicks. Homer. Jaffe. Keane. Kulas. Laurino. LeFlore. Leverenz. Levin. Marzuki. Matijevich. Mautino. McGann. McPike. Nash. 17  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 148th Legislative Day November 28, 1984 O'Connell. Panayotovich. Pangle. Pierce. Preston. Rea. Rhem. Richmond. Ronan. Ryder. Saltsman. Satterthwaite. Shaw. Slape. Steczo. Stuffle. Terzich. Turner. Van Duyne. Vitek. White. Wolf. Younge. McNamara and Mr. Speaker."

"Representative Hastert."

"I tried to see everybody's hand that was raised..."

"Representative Bowman would like leave to be verified."

"Sure. Represent... Again, let me explain, I didn't see everybody's hand being raised. I'm just trying to... do better with that cooperation, but you understand that. It might be some repeats here. Representative Bullock."

"Representative Bullock in the chamber? Remove the Gentleman from the Roll."

"Representative DiPrima."

"There he is on the Republican side of the aisle in the back."

"Representative Keane."

"I'm sorry, would you..."

"Representative Keane."

"Representative Keane. Remove the Gentleman from the Roll."

"Representative Laurino."

"Representative Laurino. Remove him from the Roll."

"Representative Panayotovich."

"In his chair."

"Representative Preston."

"Representative Greiman would like leave to be verified. Representative Preston. Remove the Gentleman from the Roll."

"Representative Rhem." 18  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 148th Legislative Day November 28, 1984

"Rhem. Representative Rhem. Remove him from the Roll Call."

"Representative Slape."

"Representative Slape. Remove the Gentleman from the Roll."

"Representative Steczo."

"Representative Steczo. Remove him from the Roll."

"Representative Turner."

"Representative Turner. Move him from the Roll."

"Representative Wyvetter Younge."

"In her chair."

"I see her. Thank you."

"What's the count, Mr. Clerk? On this Motion there are 53 'ayes', 47 'no', and Motion #3, 4 and 5 failed. Motion #6, Representative Hannig. Read the Motion."

"Motion #6, I move to restore the following reduced items of appropriations on House Bill 2637, the reduction of the Governor notwithstanding, page five, line 33."

"Representative Hannig."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. With leave of the Body, I would like to take Motion 6, 7 and 8 on one Roll Call since they do pertain to one subject."

"The Gentleman asks leave to take Motion #6, Motion #7 and Motion #8 on the same Roll Call. The Gentleman asks leave of the Body. Are there any objections? Hearing none, leave is granted. Mr. Clerk, read Motion 7 and Motion 8."

"Motion #7, I move to restore the following reduced items of appropriations on House Bill 2637, the reduction of the Governor notwithstanding on page 6, line 1. Motion #8, I move to restore the following reduced items of 19  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 148th Legislative Day November 28, 1984 appropriations on House Bill 2637, the reduction of the Governor notwithstanding, page 6, line 3."

"Representative Hannig."

"Thank you, Mr. Chairman, Members of the House. This Motion pertains to the Illinois School for the Visually Impaired which is located in Jacksonville, Illinois, which serves all legislative districts throughout the State of Illinois. And during the course of the June Session, we had the opportunity to discuss funding positions for that school based on the recommendations from the Advisory Board made up of parents and people who are interested in maintaining the high quality of standards at that school. And what we did in June was basically asked that we fund six positions at this school. It was passed in the House and passed in the Senate and was put on the Governor's desk, and he has vetoed out two of those positions. Now, we're asking that we fund all six program staff positions as recommended by the board, and I'm moving so to do so here with this veto. I think there is a feeling in this House that perhaps this school only serves one particular legislative district, but the fact is that I've had the opportunity to tour this school personally and can tell you that there are children there, not just from Jacksonville, Illinois, but from throughout the State of Illinois. And probably everyone in this chamber has had someone from their district in this school over a period of time. So I'm asking that we restore these funds, that we put these two additional people, program people, back or put them on the payroll so that they can be there, so they can be providing the services that the... that they've originally been funded in our June Session. And I'm asking that we simply provide the extra $25,000 or so. It's not a large amount of money compared to what we debate in this House in 20  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 148th Legislative Day November 28, 1984 the fall and even just yesterday, and so I would ask that the House move to override the Governor's veto and to restore these two important positions for our friends at the Illinois School for the Visually Impaired."

"The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of Motion 6,7 and 8. On that, Representative Hastert."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Again, I bring before you the issue. The issue was the Governor's budget came out at an (X) amount. We tried to... presented that budget last year. In Committee there... I believe it was in Committee, there were six additional positions added on. The Governor's kept four of those positions... compromise, in an effort of compromise, 60% of what was asked for was given in this situation, over and above the Governor's original budget. I would ask that you would sustain the Governor's veto and vote against the Gentleman's Motion."

"Representative Leverenz."

"Will the Sponsor of the Motion yield?"

"Yes, he indicates he will."

"Are these positions... filled currently?"

"Representative Hannig."

"I don't know."

"Gentleman doesn't know. Representative Bow... Leverenz."

"Yes, I was trying to establish if anyone was going to get pink slipped or layed off."

"No, I think what we're asking to do is to put six additional people in the program. Four of them would be child care service workers, a clerk typist, and also an orientation and mobility educator. These would be new positions as recommended by the Council."

"I just wanted to make sure that we weren't going to 21  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 148th Legislative Day November 28, 1984 lay any employees off. This might be their first notice, but if the jobs aren't filled now, and none of them are coming our way, maybe we just better go 'present'."

"Representative Bowman."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I rise in support of the Gentleman's Motion. I would just like to put this whole debate in a little perspective. If you look down your Calendar at all of the reduction and item vetoes in the budget, they don't amount to hill-of-beans. We did a very good job in crafting the budget last spring, and I'll bet you that if you add up these reduction vetoes, they probably don't add to $2,000,000. Now, to further elaborate on what $2,000,000 means in this context, we just passed the tax amnesty proposal that has already taken in $29,000,000 into the State Treasury, $8,000,000 over what we had anticipated and budgeted for, and the money is still coming in. And estimates of how much we can expect in the future hit $50,000,000. So, Ladies and Gentlemen, we are arguing over, you know, $25,000 here, 27,000 there for program staffs, direct service workers, medical staffs, mobility instructors for visually impaired kids at a time when the state can well afford it when the budget was crafted very well in the Spring. I think that... I can't remember a time in the last eight years when there has been so few changes by the Governor's veto pen. I think that the Governor is acknowledging that we did a very good job in crafting the budget in the spring. I think we ought to vote now to endorse the work of the General Assembly last spring and cut out this foolishness and put the money where it'll do some good. I mean, if we can't spend it on blind kids and deaf kids, my heavens, where should we be spending our money?" 22  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 148th Legislative Day November 29, 1984

"Where, Representative Vinson?"

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. You know earlier the Gentleman who just spoke said Christmas is coming. That is his perpetual fix of mind in the General Assembly. What he doesn't recognize is that there ought to be a Christmas for the taxpayers occasionally. He gives Christmas to everybody but the taxpayer. That's his perpetual fix of mind. You know, I've never heard any speaker to whom Senator Dirksen's comments are more appropriately repeated. A million here and a million there and pretty soon you're talking about real money. He says, he says that all of these things don't even add up to $2,000,000. If you look through your list of item vetoes on page ten, the next page we're going to deal with, one of them is an $8,000,000 topic, one of them is a $9,000,000 topic. Right there you've got eight times as much as he says the total is. The point is that we've got a budget that we can live with. We've got a budget that doesn't create the in-built spending for new taxes, that does not continue to build up the base of the budget. Now, on this particular line item, what the Governor has done is to approve, in a compromised spirit with the General Assembly, four more positions in this particular area than what the original budget called for. And all the Governor has asked is that we recede from a total of six to a total of four net new positions. I think that's totally reasonable, conciliatory and in a compromising fashion. And for Mr. Bowman to insist that we have Christmas everyday for everyone but the taxpayer is just wrong in this respect, and I would urge a 'no' vote on the Motion."

"Further discussion? Representative Hannig, to close."

"Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. 23  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 148th Legislative Day November 28, 1984 After years of neglect at the school for the blind in Jacksonville, we're asking that we try to bring this school up to the standards that it has once had in the past. You know, for years and years the School for the Blind and the School for the Deaf in Jacksonville and the schools we had in Chicago were models that other states would come and look at and try to make their programs the same as our programs. We've seen a decline here in Illinois over the last few years. We've seen a decline because the Legislature has not lived up to their job, because we, in the Legislature, have not provided adequate funding for these schools. Now, the Advisory Board recommendations ask that we put six people in these positions. Now, the Advisory Board is an independent, non-partisan board. They're not made up of Democrats. They're not made up of Republicans. They're made up of people who care about helping the schools and care about primarily helping those kids over there get an education. Now, if we were talking about funding high tech or if we were talking about funding some program for jobs, I think we'd find a lot of support for those things. If we were talking about cutting welfare rolls, there might be some people saying we have to do that, but what we're really talking about here today is providing enough money for some kids over in Jacksonville, who are from all over this state, so that they can have an education and they can get a job so that they're not on public aid and so that they have the training that they can go into the work force and contribute to our state's economy. We're asking for a very small amount of money, nothing in comparison of what we'll be looking at, perhaps even tomorrow or other near future days on raises for all of the executive positions. We're asking for a very small amount of money to try to fund these schools at a level 24  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 148th Legislative Day November 29, 1984 that the non-partisan Advisory Board has asked us to fund it at. I think the Legislature should meet their obligations. I think we can afford $25,000 for these kids in Jacksonville, and I'd ask for your 'yes' vote."

"The Chair would remind everyone that the last two Motions on verification failed and would ask that Members not vote switches of those Members that are clearly absent. The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of Motion #6, 7 and 8. The question is, 'Shall the reduced item of appropriation on page five, line 33, page six, line 1 and page 6, line 3 of House Bill 2637 be restored to its original amount notwithstanding the reduction of the Governor. This is final action. All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? Clerk will take the record. On Motion #6, 7 and 8, there are 51 'ayes', 47 'nos', none voting 'present', and these Motions fail. #9, Representative Hannig. Read the Motion, Mr. Clerk."

"Motion #9, I move to restore the following reduced items of appropriations in House Bill 2637, the reduction of the Governor notwithstanding, page six, line 19."

"Representative Hannig."

"Yes. I'd ask leave of the House on this Motion to also include Motions 9, 10 and 11 together on one Roll Call."

"The Gentleman asks leave to hear Motion 9, 10, and 11 on the one Roll Call. Are there any objections? Hearing none, leave is granted. Mr. Clerk, read Motion #10 and 11."

"Motion #10, I move to restore the following reduced items of appropriations in House Bill 2637, the reduction of the Governor notwithstanding, page six, line 22. Motion #11, I move to restore the following reduced items of appropriations in House Bill 2637, the reduction of the 25  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 149th Legislative Day November 28, 1984 Governor notwithstanding, page six, line 24."

"Representative Hannig."

"Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. I think it's very unfortunate that we have set the tone today that appears that we're not going to override any of the Governor's vetoes regardless of how small the cost and regardless of how great the need. But for the record, I'd like to try one more time to restore four positions for the School for the Deaf and let me say again that I've had the opportunity to tour the School for the Deaf to see these young kids try to cope with the reality where they can't hear or where they're very profoundly handicapped by their hearing, and it's very difficult. And quite frankly, I have two first cousins that have attended that school, that went there to Jacksonville, that have received an education, that today are working and are useful, providing useful services to society and are providing taxes for this state. And I think it's important that we, here in Illinois, let those folks know that we do care and that we do intend to fund those schools at levels that will continue to give them the education that is necessary to get that fine education. Now we've seen these schools slip in the last few years. We've seen people layed off. We've seen the hard economic times that this state has falling upon be reflected in Jacksonville just as we've seen it be reflected everywhere else. But we've seen also in the last year money go into prisons, money go into roads, money go into an awfully lot of projects around this state, and we're simply asking that these people over there in Jacksonville at the School for the Deaf, which represents people from all around this state, be given their fair shake. Once again, we're asking that these four positions be funded... about $61,000 of money, not a very great 26  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 148th Legislative Day November 28, 1984 amount, but $61,000 of money be restored to the Governor's budget, and I'd ask for a 'yes' vote."

"Representative Breslin in the chair."

"Representative Hastert, on the question."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen, once again, we come up with the same problem. We appropriated last year $5,124,700 for this institution. We added on or it was added on in Committee 14 new jobs. Nine, the Governor has compromised and added on nine new jobs. We have compromised. We do have concern for those less fortunate than others in this state, but the concern that we have is that we have funds, ongoing funds in the State of Illinois, when it comes April and May and June, that we can continue to fund services for these people and other people across the state. So, in order to do that, we have to watch what we spend now. We have to... let's bring these new jobs... nine new jobs are already in this Bill, that's already in this compromise. Let's stay where we're at, and I ask to reject the Gentleman's Motion."

"Is there any further discussion? There being no further discussion, the Gentleman is recognized to close."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker and Members of the House. I think we've heard a lot of discussion on this Motion and some other Motions, and there is no use beating a dead issue, but I would like to point out, we're not talking about a large amount of money. We're talking about funding schools to help some handicapped kids so that they can contribute to society in a positive way. And we're talking about making their life a little bit more like our life. A little bit more like what we regard as normal. And I would simply ask that we restore this small amount of money to this important piece of legislation. Thank you." 27  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 148th Legislative Day November 28, 1984

"The question is, 'Shall the reduced item of appropriation on page six, line 19, page six, line 22 and page six, line 24 be restored to its original amount notwithstanding the reduction of the Governor?' This is final action. All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Again, I would remind you to vote your own switches. The Gentleman from Macon, Representative Tate, one minute to explain your vote. The Gentleman indicates he does not wish to explain his vote. The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Leverenz, to explain his vote."

"Yes, I just read the Sponsor's horoscope in the Sun Times, and I'm going to have to vote red."

"Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 51 voting 'aye', 46 voting 'no', and none voting 'present'. This Motion, having received the Const... having failed to receive the Constitutional Majority, fails, and the House does not override the Governor's Item Reduction. House Bill 2637, Representative Hannig. Mr. Clerk."

"Motion #12, I move to restore the following reduced items of appropriations on House Bill 2637, the reduction of the Governor notwithstanding, page six, line 29."

"Representative Hannig."

"Yes, thank you, Madam Speaker, Members of the House. On this Motion, we're asking that we restore $188,800 for equipment at the School for the Deaf. And the funds were originally put in the budget by this Body in June when we considered the overall budget of this state. It was passed by the House, passed by the Senate, and now it's been vetoed out by the Governor. Now some of the things that the Governor has proposed that we veto are speech training units, auditory training units which are phonic ears for 28  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 148th Legislative Day November 28, 1984 some of the people that are hard of hearing at the School for the Deaf. Some of the other things are dressers and beds, and springs and things of that nature where we've seen these items not be replaced over the last few years as this state has been in hard economic times. And again, we're simply asking that we try to provide some of the important learning tools at the School for the Deaf so that these children have an opportunity to lead something that we would consider to be a normal life. We've discussed these issues, and I would simply ask for a 'yes' vote."

"The Gentleman has asked to restore the items on page six, line 29. And on that question, the Gentleman from Kendall, Representative Hastert."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Let me call your attention, the Members of the House, to what these things are. We're talking about nightstands, $125 a piece for $25,000, davenports at $500 a piece, $10,000, lounge chairs at $200 a piece, $8,000. These hardly are learning... equipment that you use in rehabilitation. You know, it's all credible. It's nice to have these things, but I think at this time, we already have this. This is replacement equipment. And I'm not sure that's in the best interest of the fiscal credibility of the State of Illinois to be spending money for these things at this time. I would ask that you reject the Gentleman's Motion."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Jaffe."

"Yes, in response to Representative Hastert, I would like to say, Representative Hastert, we have a monstrosity in the City of Chicago called the State of Illinois Building that we just recently built, and if you've ever gone in there, you know, you will find out that we have glass elevators for the Governor. We have all sorts of goodies 29  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 148th Legislative Day November 28, 1984 there, for all sorts of state officials. And the Governor really couldn't wait, I mean, he had to move in there into his new palatial towers and use his glass elevator really prior to the time that the building was even open. And here we are quibbling about funds for the deaf and the blind and so on and so forth. I read in the Sun Times yesterday that the Governor now wants 58 people, new police officers who are not even under the Department of Law Enforcement but rather under General Services, to take care of their marvelous monstrosity in the City of Chicago. And yet, here we are quibbling over money for the deaf and the blind. Now, I really think that we ought to be ashamed of ourselves in voting against these appropriations. And if what you're doing is really protecting the budget, I don't really comprehend it at all. I would urge a 'yes' vote on this particular Motion."

"Representative Hastert, you have already spoken in debate. For what reason do you now rise?"

"Madam Chairman (sic - Madam Speaker), my name was used in debate, and I would just like to reply to the Gentleman's Motion. My good friend and colleague, Representative Jaffe really didn't speak to the Motion at all. And, you know, we're all looking at the situations. I'm sure Representative Jaffe will have a new office on the sixteenth floor of that building also. And maybe, people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, but we'll address that situation when the time comes. I would like you to look at the situation where we're talking about buying davenports and dressers and things like this as really being functioning equipment for rehabilitation, and I think that's the question, I think that the question that we should have at hand."

"Members should be reminded not to use other 30  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 148th Legislative Day November 28, 1984 Members name in debate. There being no further discussion, the Gentleman from Macoupin, Representative Hannig, to close."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Members of the House. Unfortunately, when the Governor used his magic pen to reduce these items, he reduced from this budget some speech training units and some auditory training units which are phonic ears to help these students. Now, these are the items that provide for the greatest amount of money in this appropriation, and we also have included with this beds and springs and mattresses and dressers and things like that to provide for some replacements, for some of these things that have worn out and they're simply being used because, over the last few years, this state has not appropriated an adequate amount of money to that operation so that they could replace the ordinary and normal wear and tear of these units. So basically what we're talking about is a small of amount of money to provide for some of the equipment that is necessary to educate and also to house these deaf students over in Jacksonville, Illinois. Now, I don't see how we can expect the people of Jacksonville that are students, how we can expect the people on the Advisory Board, who are non-partisan citizens from all around this state, to really believe that the State of Illinois and the Illinois Legislature in the Illinois House have any real concerns for them when we just consistently stand here and vote down these appropriations and these Motions for override, and yet, they'll read in the paper that we'll spend money to fund a board to consider our own pay, or we'll spend money to do something that we feel that we want to do that's considered in the benefit of the Illinois House of Representatives or the Governor's office or some of the other state agencies, but we'll stand here 31  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 148th Legislative Day November 28, 1984 coldheartedly and vote down an appropriation to try to help some deaf kids cope with life. And I think that's just terrible, and I'd ask for a 'yes' vote."

"The question is, 'Shall the reduced item of appropriation on page six, line 29 of House Bill 2637 be restored to its original amount notwithstanding the reduction of the Governor. All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. This is final action. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 54 voting 'aye', 39 voting 'no', and none voting 'present'. This Motion, having failed to receive the necessary Majority, fails. House Bill 2637, Representative Ryder. Clerk, read the Motion. Okay. Representative Ryder, I'm advised that this Motion is the same as the Motion... as Motion 6. That Motion was defeated. Would you like to withdraw that Motion at this time?"

"I think I'd like to have a chance at it. With the leave of the House, I would like to consolidate Motions 13, 14 and 15 at this time unless there is objection."

"The Gentleman asks leave to consolidate Motions 13, 14, and 15 with Motion 12. Is there any objection? The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Bowman, do you have an objection? The Gentleman does not have an objection. There being no objection, this House will consider Motion 12, 13, 14... just Motions 13, 14 and 15 on one Roll Call. Representative Ryder. Clerk, read the Motion."

"Motion 13, I move to restore the following items of appropriations on House Bill 2637, the reduction of the Governor's veto notwithstanding, page 5 on line 33. Motion 14, I move to restore the following reduced items of appropriations in House Bill 2637, the reduction of the Governor notwithstanding, page 6, line 1, and Motion 15, I 32  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 148th Legislative Day November 28, 1984 move to restore the following reduced items of appropriation in House Bill 2637, the reduction of the Governor notwithstanding, page 6, line 3."

"Representative Ryder."

"These are the two positions at the Illinois School for the Visually Impaired that have been thoroughly debated before. I would, however, like for an opportunity at this time to ask those on this side of the aisle to inform them that this school does happen to be in my district, and I would ask them to consider personally restoring these child care workers to the School for the Visually Impaired."

"The Gentleman has asked to restore certain items of appropriation on House Bill 2637. And on that question, the Gentleman from Kendall, Representative Hastert."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentleman of the House. Again, I must stand up and oppose the Motion. The Motion is the same Motion that we opposed when they were brought up from the Gentleman on the other side of the aisle. The issues haven't changed. The dollars haven't changed. The compromises haven't changed, and if we must go on with this Motion, I would, again, ask the Members to reject this Motion."

"The Gentleman from Madison, Representative McPike."

"Thank you. This should not be a partisan issue. Unfortunately, it developed that way and on the previous Roll Calls, every Republican voted no except Representative Ryder and it's in his district. I compliment him for supporting the school because it's in his district, but this is an identical Motion that we debated before and since all of the Republicans voted 'no', I would ask the Democrats to vote 'present' on this Motion." 33  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 148th Legislative Day November 28, 1984

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Leverenz."

"Will the Sponsor yield?"

"The Gentleman will yield for a question."

"Did you say it would restore positions?"

"It would restore to the budget two positions. There were six, over the recommendations of the Governor. The Governor has approved four. There are two remaining that were in the original budget that were vetoed."

"Were these positions, there were six in total, that we passed earlier of the year - during the year, were they by some type of ratio of staff patient? Is that how that may have been determined?"

"There were certain recommendations that were created by the advisory councils with an emphasis on staffing, it was two... four child care workers and two support people for them. And at this point, I'm not sure which of the two the Governor's chosen to delete or veto."

"Well, if you don't know which ones he's deleting, are you really in support of this Motion or you just desire a press release for this afternoon's mail?"

"Neither. I am supporting the school. I feel that they need all six positions which is the way that you and I voted in the Spring, which is the way that I hope that you and I and many others vote today."

"I understand that, but you don't know which two they are."

"It's a lump sum, and the Governor reduced a lump sum by the amount of equivalent to two positions. I would hope that the Governor would see fit in the event that we're not successful today to have all of the funded positions be the child care workers because it's very important to have the on hand workers for the support." 34  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 148th Legislative Day November 28, 1984

"Are there any of those four positions in with your Motion making it six, are there any of those folks on staff today in those jobs?"

"Yes, there are some temporary workers there."

"Was that for the election or were they permanents, permanent people?"

"They are temporary, Sir."

"They'll be permanent because they carried your precinct for you or what?"

"Personally, I don't even know the names of the people that are occupying the jobs."

"Do you have an inside track or could you recommend us how we could submit resumes for these positions in case your Motion...?"

"I'm always glad to talk, Representative, about any of those kinds of matters that you care to bring to my attention either publicly or privately."

"Thank you."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Bowman."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This is an identical Motion to the Motion... the first Motion that I made this morning. Representative Ryder at that point asked if he could be a Joint Sponsor and I agreed. And I think seeking... we were seeking support from all Members of the General Assembly for this proposal. However, unfortunately, the other people on the Republican side chose to make this into an issue... a litmus test of loyalty to the Governor perhaps, or at least loyalty to the Budget Bureau and consequently, that Motion failed. I think that unless Representative Ryder has got a couple of extra votes on his side of the aisle on this Motion it is likely to fail too. In any event, I think the 35  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 148th Legislative Day November 28, 1984 fact that we have already taken this matter up - the matter had bipartisan support the time that it... bipartisan sponsorship the time that it came up the first time. I think the appropriate vote at this point is a 'present' vote. I endorse Representative McPike's proposal. I think all the Democrats are to vote 'present', and then if we can work something out between the two sides of the aisle later, fine, but I think at the moment, I think a 'present' vote is the proper vote on the Democratic side."

"There being no further discussion, Representative Ryder to close."

"I believe that the consistent vote is to vote 'yes' which is the way that I've been voting all morning, and I would ask my colleagues on this side of the aisle to vote accordingly. Additionally, I would ask those folks that have consistently supported this throughout the morning to also vote 'yes'. We'd like to see this one pass."

"The question is, 'Shall the reduced item of appropriation on page five, line 33, page six, line 1 and page six, line 3 of House Bill 2637 be reduced to its original amount notwithstanding the reduction of the Governor?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. This is final action. Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, for an announcement."

"Supplemental Calendar #1 is being distributed."

"Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question (sic - Motion), there are 11 voting 'aye', 37 voting 'no', and 47 voting 'present'. This Motion, having failed to receive the necessary Majority, fails. House Bill 2637, Representative Ryder, Motion 16. Clerk, read the Motion."

"House Bill 2637, a Motion to... I move to restore the following reduced items of appropriation of 36  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 148th Legislative Day November 28, 1984 House Bill 2637, page six, line 19, by Representative Ryder."

"Representative Ryder, do you wish to join any of your following Motions? We are on Motion 16."

"I understand. If it's without objection, 16, 17 and 18 would be joined."

"Okay. The Gentleman has asked that Motion 16, 17 and 18 be taken on one Roll Call. Is there any objection? Hearing no objection, proceed on Motion 16, 17 and 18 on one Roll Call. Representative Ryder."

"This is staffing for the Illinois School for the Deaf. It is similar to the Motions 9, 10, and 11 filed by Representative Hannig. I also I'm a little concerned at the partisan nature that's been taken this afternoon. It's normally my understanding that certain courtesies are allowed when a Representative wishes to do things for his district to take care of the schools or institutions that are in his district. Unfortunately, I haven't been allowed that privilege this morning since mine has been the third of the sets of Motions to be heard. But for those who gave such eloquent speeches today, talking about the schools and the children and the blind and the deaf, I am now somewhat concerned to see the number of red and yellow lights going up on the board. It was not I that chose to make this a partisan matter. I would hope that you would reconsider your votes on this one. I'd like to see this particular measure pass."

"The Gentleman has asked to restore certain items in House Bill 2637. And on that question, the Gentleman from Madison, Representative McPike."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Representative Ryder may not have chosen to make this a partisan issue, but on the previous identical Motion, Representative Ryder was the 37  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 148th Legislative Day November 28, 1984 only one on the Republican side of the aisle that voted 'aye'. And if this was important to him and his district, I would think that he would deliver one or two of his colleagues on this vote. On his last Motion, I see he did deliver four or five of Republicans. Unfortunately, they should have been there earlier today when 55 Democrats voted 'yes'. In fact, every Democrat that was present today voted 'yes', and every Republican except Representative Ryder voted 'no'. Now, I don't know why the Republicans decided to make this a partisan issue. It shouldn't have been, but they did decide that, and I think it's unfortunate. And again, I would ask this side of the aisle to vote 'present'."

"The Gentleman from Kendall, Representative Hastert."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. And to, I guess, address the comments of the previous speaker as well as the Gentleman who made the Motion. This isn't a partisan issue. It's an issue... It's a fiscal issue whether we have the money to take care of the problems that we have. The people who need care in the State of Illinois, we have compromised on these issues considerably. We've put on jobs and put on people to take care of these children above and beyond what the original budget was. I hate to see this thing break down into a partisan issue. It should not be a partisan issue, and I would ask all Members to reject this Motion."

"There being no further discussion, the Gentleman from Morgan, Representative Ryder, to close."

"I ask for an 'aye' vote, thank you."

"The question is, 'Shall the reduced item of appropriation on page six, line 19, page six, line 22 and page six, line 24 of House Bill 2637 be restored to its original amount notwithstanding the reduction of the 38  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 148th Legislative Day November 28, 1984 Governor?' All those in favor vote 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. This is final action. Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 8 voting 'aye', 40 voting 'no' and 49 voting 'present'. And this Motion, having failed to receive the necessary Majority, fails. House Bill 2637, Representative Ryder. On further Motions, do you wish to combine any of them?"

"No, I'll take 20 and 21 out of the record."

"Okay, how about Motion 19? That was not included in the last..."

"Out of the record as well."

"Out of the record. House Bill 2638, Representative Brummer, on Motion #1. Out of the record. House Bill 2638, Motion #2, Representative Madigan. Out of the record. Back to House Bill 2638, Motion 2, Representative Leverenz. Would you present Motion #2 on House Bill 2638, please? Mr. Clerk, please read the Motion."

"I move the following items of House Bill 2638 do pass, the veto of the Governor notwithstanding: page 20, lines 21 through 25."

"Representative Leverenz."

"Thank you. I would move to override the Governor's veto... the Governor's veto on $8,000,000... I'm sorry... nine... $8,000,000 on library construction grants. The Governor chose to eliminate it from the budget entirely. We put it on for a good reason. I do believe it should be restored. I solicit your 'aye' vote."

"The Gentleman has asked for restoration of appropriations in House Bill 2638. And on that question, is there any discussion? There being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall the reduced item of appropriation on 39  STATE OF ILLINOIS 33RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 148th Legislative Day November 28, 1984 page 20, lines 21 through 25 of House Bill 2638, be restored to its original amount notwithstanding the reduction of the Governor?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. This is final action. Please vote your own switches on these Motions. Have all voted who wish? The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Leverenz, to explain his vote."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. I would certainly hope that we could have a few more people either come to the floor or make the decision to vote in the affirmative on this measure. It was eliminated entirely. It would provide the $8,000,000 in capital grants for libraries, which is given out through the offices of the Secretary of State, and when we close the board, I would ask for a Poll of the Absentees for the Speaker."

"The Gentleman from McHenry, Representative Klemm."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. I just wanted to mention to the Members of the House that on November 1, I received a communication, which we all did, from the Office of the Governor, Jim Thompson, and in it he said, 'Dear Leader, I was recently at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign to dedicate that University's six-stack addition to what I consider to be the best university library in the world.' And some of the comments he had in his dedication, and let me just briefly mention it, and he quote... and I quote him, and it said, 'Today's dedication ceremonies are much more fundamental. They probably can't be repeated too often, but the importance of a library to a great university - and in the case of the University of Illinois - the world's greatest public university library to the world's greatest public university cannot be overstated.' He went on to say, 'Four hundred years ago, 40  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 149th Legislative Day November 28, 1984 Francis Bacon observed a profound, short and simple truth that knowledge is power.' And he goes on to say and talks about the virtues of the library at the University of Illinois. The University of Illinois added this six-stack for the retrieval of information, and it was greatly needed. And in one of his closing statements, the Governor said that he intends to try to focus on this coming year of improving the deterioration of our state colleges and facilities such as libraries. I think that the Governor probably would not think that our public libraries in our communities are any less important than our university libraries, and, in fact, could very well even be more important because they may reach those who can't even afford to go to the universities. So, that's why I'm voting 'yes' to override this veto, because I think the small amount that we're talking about can do such a tremendous amount of work for our citizens, that $8,000,000 to help those libraries that are desperately in need of renovation, desperately in need of improving their facilities, I think, is a proper vote to support this override. And I don't think our vote would be wasted. Thank you."

"Representative Klemm. Representative Vinson, one minute to explain your vote."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker... Madam Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Assembly. I would rise in opposition to this particular matter, because I think it's very incumbent on us at this point of relative fiscal stability to try to protect the bond rating of the state. Our bond rating is one of our most precious assets, and by preserving it so far through difficult economic times, we have done much for the people of the State of Illinois and the taxpayers. I think that we ought to particularly try to protect it on 41  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 148th Legislative Day November 28, 1984 items such as this at this time, and I would urge a 'no' vote."

"The Gentleman from Livingston, Representative Ewing."

"Yes, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I think that many of us had received cards and letters from those people who serve on library boards in our district. And that's as it should be, supporting this. But what we haven't heard from is the taxpayers in our district who must pay the interest on this additional bonded indebtedness - taxpayers who are already hard pressed to meet the taxing needs of this state - and while the library people have every right to support and promote their position in this, let us think of the taxpayers who must pay back these bonds and pay the interest. I think, in that case, we'd have to vote 'no'."

"Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 70... 71 voting 'aye', 24 voting 'no', and 3 voting 'present'. Representative Ewing."

"Ask for a verification of that vote."

"Very good. The Gentleman has asked for a verification of the Roll Call. Representative Leverenz has asked for a Poll of the Absentees. Poll the absentees, Mr. Clerk. Representative Shaw, for what reason do you rise?"

"Can I be verified?"

"The Gentleman asks leave to be verified, Representative Ewing. Representative Shaw. Yes, you may, Sir."

"Poll of the Absentees. Alexander. Brookins. Brummer. Domico. Doyle. Huff. Krska. Markette. McPike. Oblinger. Rice. Tate. Taylor. Terzich and Winchester." 42  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 148th Legislative Day November 28, 1984

"Representative Saltsman asks leave to be verified, Representative Ewing. You may be verified, Sir. Would you proceed with the Poll of the Affirmative Roll Call, Mr. Clerk? Excuse me, Representative O'Connell asks leave to be verified also, and that leave is granted. Proceed with the Poll of the Affirmative."

"Berrios. Bowman. Braun. Breslin. Brunsvold. Bullock. Capparelli. Christensen. Colishaw. Curran. Currie. DeJaegher. Didrickson. DiPrima. John Dunn. Farley. Flinn. Virginia Frederick. Giglio. Giorgi. Greiman. Hannig. Hicks. Homer. Jaffe. Karpiel. Keane. Klemm. Koehler. Kulas. Laurino. LeFlore. Leverenz. Levin. Marzuki. Matijevich. Mautino. McGann. McMaster. Mulcahey. Nash. Nelson. O'Connell. Olson. Panayotovich. Pangle. W. Peterson. Piel. Pierce. Preston. Rea. Rhem. Richmond. Ronan. Saltsman. Satterthwaite. Shaw. Slape. Steczo. Stuffle. Topinka. Tuerk. Turner. Van Duyne. Vitek. White. Wolf. Younge. McNamara. Zwick and Mr. Speaker."

"Representative Ewing, do you have any questions of the Affirmative Roll?"

"Representative Bowman."

"Excuse me?"

"Bowman."

"Representative Bowman. Is the Gentleman in the chamber? The Gentleman is in the back of the chamber."

"Bullock."

"Representative Bullock is in the chamber... in the back of the chamber."

"Curran."

"Representative Curran. Representative Curran. Is the Gentleman in the chamber? He is in the chamber - in the back of the chamber." 43  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 148th Legislative Day November 28, 1984

"Farley."

"Representative Farley. Is the Gentleman in the chamber? Representative Farley. The Gentleman is not in the chamber. Remove him."

"Giglio."

"Representative Giglio. The Gentleman is not in the chamber. Remove him."

"Representative Giorgi."

"Representative Giorgi is in his chair, and Representative Farley has returned to the chamber. Add him to the Roll Call. Representative Keane asks leave to be verified. Leave is granted."

"Did we do Representative Giorgi?"

"Yes, we did, and he is in his chair."

"Pardon? Karpiel."

"Representative Karpiel. The Lady is in the back of the chamber. The Lady is in the back of the chamber."

"Oh, I'm sorry. Representative Keane?"

"Representative Keane was just given leave."

"He had leave. That's correct. Okay. Representative Krska?"

"Representative Krska is not in the chamber. Remove him."

"Representative.. "

"Excuse me. Representative Krska was not voting. Excuse me."

"Kulas."

"Representative Kulas is in the chamber."

"Laurino."

"Representative Laurino. Representative Laurino is not in the chamber. Remove him."

"Representative Ronan." 44  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 148th Legislative Day November 28, 1984

"Representative Ronan is not in the chamber. Remove him."

"Representative Slape."

"Representative Laurino has returned to the chamber. Add him to the Roll Call. Representative Slape. The Gentleman is not in the chamber. Remove him."

"Representative Slape."

"Could you repeat that name, Sir?"

"Did you take Representative Slape off."

"I did. Return him from... yes. Remove him."

"Could we have a count on that?"

"Yes. Have you finished with your verification, Sir?"

"Representative Turner."

"Representative Turner. The Gentleman is in his chair. There are 68 people voting 'aye', Representative Ewing. Representative Cullerton would like to change his vote from 'present' to 'aye', and there are therefore 69 people voting 'aye'. Representative Brummer has returned to the chamber. Add him to the Roll Call voting as 'aye'. There... On this Roll Call... Mr. Clerk, could you give me the Roll Call? On this Roll Call, there are 70 voting 'aye', 24 voting 'no', and 7 voting 'present', and this Motion, having failed to receive the necessary Majority, fails. Representative Homer on House Bill... House Bill 2649. Representative Homer. Yes, I did. I declared the Motion as lost. Excuse me, Representative Giglio, would you like to carry your Motion #1 on House Bill 2649, now that you have returned to the chamber? No. Okay, I will take it out of the record with leave to return. Is there any objection? Hearing no objection, we can return to that. House Bill 2649, Representative Homer, Motion #2. Clerk, read the Motion." 45  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 148th Legislative Day November 28, 1984

"House Bill 2649. 'I move that the following items of House Bill 2649 do pass, the veto of the Governor notwithstanding, page 12, lines 29 through 35, and page 13, line one.'"

"Representative Homer."

"Thank you... Thank you, Madam Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen. This is a request to restore $40,000. The International Harvester plant in Canton four years ago requested the city make a two way street into a one way street for their benefit. The Harvester plant is located near the Canton downtown area. The city accommodated International Harvester to take care of the heavy traffic that was created by the 2,000 employees working at that plant. However, as many of us, especially from Canton, are painfully aware, International Harvester has since closed up shop, and there are no employees working there. And as a result, the one way traffic is unwieldy and counterproductive to the otherwise redevelopment of the downtown area. So, the Canton City Council has voted to change that street back to a two street, the way that it was and the way that is should be. The problem is, is that necessitates an expense for a railroad crossing that will have to be met by the city, unless we're able to assist in this regard. The devastating impact on that community as a result of this closing is incalculable, and there's really limits to what we can do to assist, but this is, in some small way, a way that the State of Illinois can assist that city in attempting to help itself pull itself up by the bootstraps in trying to redevelop the downtown area in an orderly economic development process. And I might point out, as well, that the... although there's a request for $40,000, that the amount actually needed will probably be much less than that, and furthermore, that before this 46  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 148th Legislative Day November 28, 1984 would be authorized, it would require approval by the Illinois Commerce Commission, so that our approval today certainly would not authorize this expenditure, but rather, just allow the Illinois Commerce Commission to make that decision at the appropriate time. I would, therefore, respectfully request that you assist the City of Canton in voting to restore this modest request for an appropriation."

"The Gentleman has asked to restore certain line items in House Bill 2649. And on that question, the Gentleman from DeWitt, Representative Vinson."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker... Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Assembly. I rise in opposition to the Gentleman's Motion. First of all, as he himself said, the Motion is for a sum of money substantially in excess of what would really be required to do this job, and when we're asked to approve an override far in excess of the amount necessary, I don't believe we ought to be doing that. Secondly, if you look throughout the State of Illinois, you'll find a large number of railroad crossings that are totally unprotected, that cost people lives every year in this state. We have the most... the second largest number of at-grade... grade... railroad crossings in the entire United States. Only Texas has more. Now, what we have attempted to do in the State of Illinois with the money available in this fund is to go in and to protect the grade crossings where the greatest loss in human life occurs. What we would be choosing to do here is to divert money for a redevelopment project which Canton has chosen to undertake for the purpose of its developing its business, rather than to expend the same amount of money for the protection of human life at far more risky and dangerous at-grade railroad crossings. I believe that we 47  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 148th Legislative Day November 28, 1984 ought to put that money where the priorities are - in protecting human life on these railroad crossings. I don't believe that we ought to be spending it on things that are totally optional, that would just simply benefit one community where we haven't even heard a record that there is a... that there's been loss of life at this grade crossing. I believe we ought to put it at the dangerous crossings in this state rather than to just try to enhance one particular community which doesn't like its flow of traffic. I would urge a 'no' vote on this. I believe it's a very bad diversion of resources. Even though we're not talking about a great deal of money, we ought to be putting this at the dangerous crossings in Illinois."

"Is there any further discussion? There being no further discussion, the Gentleman from Fulton, Representative Homer, to close."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. The City of Canton isn't going to live or die by whether this General Assembly approves this appropriation, that's certainly true, but the City of Canton and the business people from that community, a year ago put together an innovative approach to help assist the State of Illinois solve its prison overcrowding problem crisis. It came up with an innovative new plan for legislation which was ultimately passed by this General Assembly and signed by this Governor. However, the Governor, in making the decision about where to put that facility, decided that one of the places that it would go would be to Logan County where the previous speaker represents. The City of Canton has been working diligently in order to try to bring itself out of cataclysmic events for that city because it was a one industry town dominated by International Harvester, and the town now is probably the most severely affected community in the State of 48  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 148th Legislative Day November 28, 1984 Illinois, if not probably the entire country. The City of Canton is going to work to continue to survive, but this General Assembly has worked to help other communities in this state. Last spring, this General Assembly approved 8.8 million dollars for a world's fair study for the City of Chicago. This General Assembly also approved money to help with the McCormick Place expansion project for the City of Chicago, which will cost the taxpayers about a billion dollars over the next 30 years. And then people ask, 'Well, why are people from the City of Canton opposed to those kind of projects?' Because when the City of Canton comes here for a proposal - a modest one - to help them redevelop their own economic plans by a modest proposal for not more than $40,000 for railroad crossings, then we have people who stand up and oppose those kind of measures. I would just simply ask this General Assembly to join with with me in this very modest proposal to help that city try to help itself, and I would ask for your affirmative vote to restore this appropriation. Thank you."

"The question is, 'Shall the eliminated item of appropriation on page 12 and 13, lines 29 through 35 and one, be restored to its... to the original amount notwithstanding the elimination by the Governor?' All those in favor vote 'aye' all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. This is an item veto. It requires 71 votes to restore. This is final action. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? 71 votes are required. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Motion, there are 60 voting 'aye', 43 voting 'no', and 2 voting 'present'. This Motion, having failed to receive the necessary Majority, does fail. House Bill 2649, Motion 43  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 148th Legislative Day November 28, 1984 #3, Representative Mautino. Clerk, read the Motion."

"I move the following items of House Bill 2649 do pass, the veto of the Governor notwithstanding: page 29, lines 12 through 16."

"Representative Mautino."

"Thank you very much, Madam Chairman, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Motion #3 addresses an original appropriation that was implemented and authorized in 1982 and reappropped in 1984, and that was the $60,000 that it would take for the stabilization under the Water Resources provisions of the Department of Transportation in Cherry, Illinois, to alleviate the flooding conditions in this city that is surrounded by what is called Negro Creek in that area. Since it a reapprop, and since it was on the priority list of the Department of Water Resources of the Division of Transportation, I admit... I do not understand the Governor's rationale in vetoing this measure, because it would alleviate the problem for approximately 400 people in a rural area that is extremely important, and I ask your support for the reinstitution of the $60,000 on House Bill 2649."

"The Gentleman has moved to restore a full veto of a line item on House Bill 2649. And on that question, the Gentleman from DeWitt, Representative Vinson."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Members of the Assembly. I rise in opposition to the Gentleman's Motion, and I would ask you to consider this general question of priorities. This is an appropriation from the General Revenue Fund. Now, we use the General Revenue Fund to pay for education, to pay for mental health, to pay for public aid - the human needs of the people of the State of Illinois. Instead, he wants to expend the money for the purposes of flood control - clearly a capital project, clearly something that should 50  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 148th Legislative Day November 29, 1984 be done with capital funds, not general revenue funds. We are going to be faced with a crisis in the public schools that we have to legislate on. Already, as every Member in this Assembly knows, the City of Chicago schools are in crisis. Next year, in the course of the Session, we are going to have to come to grips with the entire problem - school funding on a massive basis in the State of Illinois. To expend general revenue money for capital projects will deny our ability to do that, and it will undermine any faith voters and taxpayers have in the state that we can understand what the purpose of general revenue funds are and what the priorities should be in the State of Illinois. For those reasons, I would urge a 'no' vote on the Gentleman's Motion."

"There being no further discussion, Representative Mautino, to close."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. In response to the previous speaker's position, I'd like to point out that the alternative for all of the Water Resource projects within the state would come from the Motor Fuel Tax, and in fact, that was not the position of the Appropriations Committee, nor is it the position of the Members of this General Assembly. This pittance amount for the corrective measures that have been promised the individuals in central Illinois, I think, is certainly warranted by General Revenue. If, in fact, it was Motor Fuel Tax under the Department of Transportation, I would not even have presented the Motion, but I think it is important that the flooding condition that was prioritized by the Department of Transportation be obtained, since it is the posture of this General Assembly to say that if a program is intact, is authorized, that it should be completed. The $60,000 will certainly be of more value to the citizens of the 51  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 148th Legislative Day November 28, 1984 State of Illinois in this regard than the Governor's position which used similar amounts to send high school bands around this nation and to a couple of bowl games on prior appropriations. I think this priority is well taken and should be adopted, and I ask for your support."

"The question is, 'Shall the item of appropriation on page 29, lines 20... lines 12 through 16 of House Bill 2649 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. This is final action. Have all voted who wish? This Motion requires 71 votes for passage. All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 62... 63 voting 'aye', 44 voting 'no', and none voting 'present'. This Motion, having failed to receive the necessary Majority, fails. House Bill 2649, Motion 4, Representative Leverenz. Clerk, read the Motion. Representative Leverenz? Excuse me. Representative Leverenz wants it out of the record. House Bill 2649, Motion 5, Representative Wolf. Clerk, read the Motion."

"Motion. I move the following items of House Bill 2649 do pass, the veto of the Governor notwithstanding: page 29, lines 25 through 28."

"Representative Wolf."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Members of the House. This is an item to restore some $300,000 to the City of Granite City in southern Illinois for the purpose of helping that community to repair a sewer system in that area that has been devastated by an excessively high water table. This community has already spent over 2 1/2 million dollars of its own funds in trying to keep this system in total operation. This is also a community that has been hit probably harder than any other community in the State of 52  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 148th Legislative Day November 28, 1984 Illinois in the economic situation that we've had for the past four or five years. I would ask your indulgence in supporting me in overriding the Governor's veto in restoring the sum of $300,000."

"The Gentleman has asked for the passage of items vetoed in House Bill 2649. And on that question, the Gentleman from DeWitt, Representative Vinson."

"Thank you, Mr. (sic - Madam) Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Assembly. I would rise in opposition to the Gentleman's Motion. The particular sewer project we're talking about - first of all, I think as Members generally know, the Environmental Protection Agency has gone throughout the State of Illinois and worked with all of the communities in the State of Illinois to accomplish two things: Number one, a state-wide priority listing on the importance of sewer projects; and number two, to fund those that are highest on the priority list - those which have the most serious consequences for the public health. Now, last year in the spring, this Assembly very carefully worked with the Agency to allot the money that was available to the communities which had the most serious problems, and we constructed a... crafted a proposal which met with the Governor's approval which puts the money where the most serious problems in the State of Illinois are. The Gentleman's proposal would deal with a city which does not have a problem which is viewed as a high priority, state-wide. It's always a problem when you have a sewer problem in any city, but we have to sit here and rank which cities have the worst problems, the problems most threatening to the public health and safety, if we are going to allocate the very limited money we have available to solve sewer probems around the state. And we have solved a variety of problems. We have allocated the money 53  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 148th Legislative Day November 28, 1984 to the most serious problems without regard to what party's represented or anything else, on a... on an engineering basis, and every Member in this Assembly's had the opportunity to accomplish that. There's no money available for this. It's not a high priority problem. There are far worse problems in the state, and I would urge a 'no' vote for those reasons."

"There being no further discussion, Representative Wolf to close."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker and Members of the House. In response to the previous speaker, this may not be a high priority item insofar as the State of Illinois is concerned, but it is a high priority item insofar as the people who live in that particular community. This is a problem that has developed in this community, not from years of long standing, but in the past several years because industry in that particular area has ran a direct line into the river and is now getting its water direct instead of using the deep well pumps that were formerly used. When those pumps were in operation, it had the effect of keeping that water table at a much lower level, which alleviated and prevented the problem that exists in that community. In view of the circumstances and the situation which has developed since then, I would still ask your support to override the Governor's veto and restore this $300,000 item."

"The question is, 'Shall the item of appropriation on page 29, lines 25 through 28 of House Bill 2649 be passed?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. This is final passage. Have all voted who wish? This Motion requires 71 votes for passage. Have all voted who wish? Representative Jaffe, would you vote Representative Braun for her? She indicates 54  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 148th Legislative Day November 28, 1984 she wishes to vote 'aye'. The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 52 voting 'aye', 51 voting 'no', and 1 voting 'present'. And this Motion, having failed to receive the necessary Majority, fails. House Bill 2649, Motion 6, Representative Satterthwaite. Clerk, read the Motion."

"I move the following items of House Bill 2649 do pass, the veto of the Governor notwithstanding: page 11, lines 25 through 30."

"Representative Satterthwaite."

"Madam Speaker and Members of the House, this item veto is in an amount of $150,000 for road work on a street that is under the control of the University of Illinois. The street has been resurfaced, and the University's portion of $150,000 is needed in order to reimburse Champaign County for the money that it put up front so that the road work could be done in a timely fashion during the construction season this year. The obligation for payment by the state will remain, and if it is not appropriated this year, it will have to be appropriated next year in order to clear that debt. There is no other source of funding for the University of Illinois for maintenance of its roads, other than coming through the legislative process here, and so, I would urge that the Members join me in seeing that the money is provided this year for reimbursing a unit of local government for the favor that they did to the University in putting the money up front. The work was done at a time when they felt that they could get a good bid and a good completion of the work at the cheapest cost. And so, for that reason, I feel that we should reimburse the county for this work and make sure that the state debt has been taken care of in that fashion, and I would urge your support of the Motion." 55  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 148th Legislative Day November 28, 1984

"The Chair has been asked to ask this Membership for leave for a film crew to come onto the floor to film a Member on the floor in action for a documentary that they are making. They will be here for approximately 15 minutes. Is there leave? Hearing no objection, there is leave. With regard to Representative Satterthwaite's Motion, is there any discussion? There being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall the item of appropriation on page 11, lines 25 through 30, pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. This Motion requires 71 votes for passage. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 58 voting 'aye', 46 voting 'no', and none voting 'present'. This Motion, having failed to receive the necessary Majority, fails. House Bill 2649, Motion #7, Representative Van Duyne. Clerk, read the Motion."

"Motion #7. I move that the following items of House Bill 2649 do pass, and the veto of the Governor notwithstanding, page 29, lines 7 through 11."

"Representative Van Duyne."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. I would just like to point out to the Body, if I might, that this reduction is sort of a double whammy, really, on Joliet Township, because they have went through the long, laborious procedure of getting... gaining a $100,000 grant from our county. If this reduction is... stays in or out, as it is, really, it will just put the kibosh on the whole program. The... The flood control program is supposed to cost between 180 and $200,000, and if we don't get this $80,000 restored, they won't even be able to take advantage of the $100,000 that the county has given them. This is Senator Sangmeister's Amendment, and by the very nature of this being a House 56  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 148th Legislative Day November 28, 1984 Bill, it had to come back for restoration in the House of origin, so I won't belabor the point. I'd just like to ask Representative Vinson and his cohorts over there to take this into consideration. If we don't restore this $80,000, we won't... not only will we lose the $80,000, but we'll also lose the other 100, and I'll ask for your affirmative vote."

"The Gentleman has asked for passage of certain item vetoes on page 29, lines 7 through 11 of House Bill 2649. And on that question, is there any discussion? There being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall the item of appropriation on page 29, lines 7 through 11 of House Bill 2649 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. This is final passage. Have all voted who wish? This Bill requires votes... This Motion requires 71 votes for passage. Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 57 voting 'aye', 47 voting 'no', and none voting 'present'. This Motion, having failed to receive the necessary Majority, fails. House Bill 2653, Representative Rea on Motion 1. Clerk, read the Motion."

"Motion #1. I move that the following items of House Bill 2653 do pass, and the veto of the Governor notwithstanding; page 20, lines 29 through 33."

"Representative Rea."

"Thank you very much. I think that on this item, the 110,000 is actually the 30,000, because we had approved 80,000 two years ago, and this project has been frozen, and the additional cost of construction would make it approximately 110,000. So we wanted to provide the monies so that a pipeline for a disposal system at the Wayne Fitzgerald State Park could be completed. This would be the last thing before they could construct a marina which 57  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 149th Legislative Day November 28, 1984 was very badly needed and would attract many people to the park and to the Rend Lake area. It would certainly return many dollars to the area. It's an economic development item, and all the other improvements have been made there. The disposal system is big enough to handle the marina area. All the improvements have been made in terms of the parking lot, the other utilities, the lighting, the boat ramps, the water. The only thing that is lacking is to extend this pipeline to the marina, and this would return many dollars to the area, and I would certainly ask for your support."

"The Gentleman has asked for passage of items vetoed in House Bill 2653. And on that question, the Gentleman from DeWitt, Representative Vinson."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Assembly. I rise in opposition to the Gentleman's Motion, and I rise in opposition to it because... for the same reasons that I rose in opposition to Representative Wolf's Motion. I believe if you consider this, you'll see the fallacy in the proposal, here. We rejected a proposal for spending additional funds on a sewer system in Granite City. Now, I don't pretend to know where the Wayne Fitzgerald State Park is. I do know, and I do understand where Granite City is, and I do understand that people actually live in Granite City, that a bad sewer system could propose... could pose a threat to public health in Granite City. It certainly can't in Wayne Fitzgerald State Park, wherever that might be. I believe that if we're going to put money into sewer systems, we ought to put it into sewer systems in places like Granite City and in the places where bad sewers do pose a threat to public health, not out in the middle of the wilderness in the boondocks someplace where people don't even live. So I would urge a 58  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 148th Legislative Day November 28, 1984 'no' vote on it."

"There being no further discussion, Representative Rea to close."

"Thank you. In fact, this is a part of the Department of Conservation's overall plan, which they themselves say is very badly needed. This is not in a wilderness area. This happens to be along I-57 in the Rend Lake area south of Mount Vernon, and there are many, many tourists that come to that lake. It's a very comprehensive lake, not only in terms of the state park, but very comprehensive in recreation by developments of the Corps of Engineers, by developments of the Rend Lake Conservancy District, and this, we have already approved 80,000 before. We're only talking about an additional 30,000 that would actually create thousands more dollars coming into that area and to the use of the state park. In fact, this would create some additional jobs because of the construction of the marina. It would bring tourists in there. It would make more use of the lake. There is one marina on the south end. This one is centrally located and is very desperately needed. And if we're talking about economic development, and we're talking about developing tourism here in the State of Illinois, then I don't see how we could... how we could hold back on $30,000 additional monies. I would ask for an 'aye' vote."

"The question is, 'Shall the item of appropriation on page 20, line 29 through 33 of House Bill 2653, pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. This is final action. The Gentleman from Madison, Representative Wolf, to explain his vote."

"Madam Speaker, not to explain my vote, but in view of Representative Vinson's remarks, maybe he would like to 59  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 149th Legislative Day November 28, 1984 move to reconsider the vote under by which Motion #5 failed."

"Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 57 voting 'aye', 44 voting 'no', and 1 voting 'present'. This Motion, having failed to receive the necessary Majority, fails. Going back to House Bill 2649, Representative Giglio on Motion #1. Mr. Clerk, read the Motion."

"Motion #1. I move that the following items of House Bill 2649 do pass, and the veto of the Governor notwithstanding, page 29, lines 29 through 35."

"Representative Giglio."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This appropriation is for the cleanup of the Little Calumet River in my district and Representative Piel's district that goes from the state line of Indiana through about seven towns into the Big Calumet River, which eventually goes into the Des Plaines and down to the Mississippi. The State of Indiana, through the Corps of Engineers, have done everything up to the state line, in the State of Indiana. Our river has never been touched in its history. When there's no water in there, there's concrete, there's trees, there's dirt, there's silt, and this... this part here has never been cleaned up. The flooding that has taken place over the past 50 years have literally caused people who own homes on the banks of the river to refinance their house three different times. They paid three times for the price of one house that we had, and now that the river will be down again this year like it always has, I'm asking that we appropriate this money to clean it up, and, hopefully, it will flow better and will diminish the flooding, and I would ask for your favorable support." 60  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 148th Legislative Day November 28, 1984

"The Gentleman has asked for passage of items vetoed in House Bill 2649. And on that question, the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Piel."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker and Members of the House. Just to reiterate a little bit on what Representative Giglio said. This has been a bipartisan effort on both our parts to get this river cleaned up. The problem that we're having is the eastern end of the river stops right at the state line, and what we want to do is start at the state line, and with this cleanup, the Corps of Engineers in the State of... or, of Indiana has diked up to where the water coming into Illinois is in a torrent state during a heavy rainfall. This is not affecting just a couple of homes. This is affecting hundreds of thousands of people in about a five-community area. And I would ask for your favorable support on Motion #1, because it is a situation that is in dire need in the area between Frank's and my district. Thank you very much."

"The question is, 'Shall the item of appropriation on page 29, lines 29 through 35 of House Bill 2649, pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. This is final action. Have all voted who wish? This Motion requires 71 votes for passage. Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 69 voting 'aye', 34 voting 'no', and 1 voting 'present', and Representative Giglio asks for a Poll of the Absentees. Mr. Clerk, please poll the absentees. Representative Hallock."

"How am I recorded?"

"You are recorded as voting 'no', Sir."

"Please change me to 'aye'."

"Representative Hallock would like to vote 'aye'. Representative Karpiel would like to change her 61  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 148th Legislative Day November 28, 1994 'no' vote to 'aye'. Representative Davis would like to vote 'aye'. Representative Stuffle would like to vote 'aye'. Does the Gentleman still wish to have the Absentees polled? No. He withdraws his request for a Poll of the Absentees. What is the count? On this Motion, there are 73 voting 'aye', 32 voting 'no', and 1 voting 'present'. This Motion, having received the Constitutional Majority, prevails, and the House does override the Governor's reduction... The House does override the Governor's veto on pages... page 29, line 29 through 35, of House Bill 2649. Ladies and Gentlemen, we are going to your Supplemental #1 Calendar. On that Calendar appears reduction and item veto Motions. House Bill 2653, Motion #2, Representative Nelson. Clerk, read the Motion."

"Motion #2. I move that the following items in House Bill 2653 do pass, the veto of the Governor notwithstanding; page 18, lines 24 through 30 and 31 through 33."

"Representative Nelson."

"Thank you very much, Madam Speaker, Members of the House. This appropriation of $300,000 is to fund the Urban Forestry Assistance Act, which you have heard me speak about in this chamber before. It is a system of matching grants to local governments, and every one of your municipalities in your district will benefit from this legislation. The amount - $300,000 - is divided into $250,000 for the matching grant and $50,000 for the administration within the Department of Conservation. Prior to your municipality's receiving this grant funding an urban forestry plan, which has been approved by the Department of Conservation, must be on file. The purpose of this is to arrest our declining forestry resources, to create jobs in your municipalities and to maximize the 62  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 148th Legislative Day November 28, 1984 potential of trees and such cover to reduce energy consumption. I would ask for your support for restoration of these funds, which amount to less than half a million dollars. And furthermore, I'd like you all to realize that the Urban Forestry Assistance Act is my last Bill in this chamber, and therefore, I would like to have my swan song end on a positive note. I'd rather go out with a bang than a whimper, so I'd ask for your green vote. Thank you."

"The Lady has asked for a... the passage of certain items vetoed in House Bill 2653. And on that question, the Gentleman from Lake, Representative Pierce."

"Madam Speaker, is it proper for a Member to appeal to our sympathies by saying it's her last Bill, her last vote? Is that proper? Is that right? Is that decent? I think we should stick to the substantive issues of legislation and not get involved in sentiment in the loss of a valued Member and the last vote. Thank you, Madam Speaker."

"There being no further discussion, the question is, 'Shall the item of appropriation on page 18, lines 24 through 30 of House Bill 2653 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. This is final passage. This Motion requires 71 votes for passage for Representative Nelson on her last Bill in this chamber... last appropriation Bill. I see. It's only an appropriation Bill. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Motion, there are 43 voting 'aye', 42 voting 'no', and 1 voting 'present', and the Motion, having failed to receive the necessary Majority, does fail. Ladies and Gentlemen, we are going to page 11 on your Calendar. Excuse me. Representative Matijevich for the purpose of a Motion, first."

"Madam Speaker, Members of the House, I would ask 63  STATE OF ILLINOIS 33RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 148th Legislative Day November 28, 1984 leave and use of the Attendance Roll Call for that purpose to suspend the rules whereby a Committee cannot meet while the House is in Session - the posting notice rules and any other rules so that the Rules Committee can meet immediately in the Speaker's conference room in the corridor. This has been cleared on both sides of the House so that we can exempt Senate Bill 237. It's the only vehicle they have for the high tech education Bill, and that has been cleared, so I would ask leave of the House for us to meet immediately. It will only take a second."

"The Gentleman from Lake has asked that the Attendance Roll Call be used to suspend all of the appropriate rules so that the Rules Committee can meet while this House is in Session, back in the Speaker's conference room. Is there any objection? Hearing no objection, the Gentleman has leave, and it's the Rules Committee meeting... is meeting immediately in the Speaker's conference room behind the chamber. So would all Rules Committee Members attend that meeting immediately. And now for the item on page 11 for amendatory veto Motions. The first Bill appearing is House Bill 2509, Representative Levin. Mr. Clerk, read the Motion."

"House Bill 2509, an Act in relationship to senior citizens and certain boards and commissions."

"Representative Levin."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I move that the House do concur in the Governor's specific recommendations for change with respect to House Bill 2509. House Bill 2509 is the Bill that passed this Body overwhelmingly in the spring. It requires that senior citizens be appointed to various executive boards and commissions. It is the top priority of the AARP and virtually every other senior citizen group in the state. 64  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 148th Legislative Day November 28, 1994 The Governor has indicated that, with one change, he will sign the Bill, and that is, he was concerned that by adding one senior citizen to these various boards and commissions, it would produce an even number, which would make it difficult for these commissions to operate. What he has done in his message is to add an additional non-senior citizen member so that that number on these various boards and the commissions would be an odd number. I have no problem with that and urge the acceptance of the Governor's specific recommendations for change."

"The Gentleman has moved to accept the Governor's amendatory veto of House Bill 2509. And on that question, the Gentleman from DeWitt, Representative Vinson."

"Yes, will the Sponsor yield for a question, please?"

"The Gentleman will yield for a question."

"Representative, what is the status of the expansion of the Recreation Council, the Pension Laws Commission, and the Council on Nutrition? Are they still included, or are they excluded?"

"No. We removed, last spring, all of the legislative commissions. There are no legislative commissions in this Bill as it went to the Governor."

"Thank you."

"There being no further discussion, the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Levin, to close."

"I would just urge the support of the Governor's amendatory veto."

"The question is, 'Shall the House accept the Governor's specific recommendations for change with respect to House Bill 2509, by the adoption of the Amendment?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. This is final action. Have all voted who wish? The Clerk 65  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 148th Legislative Day November 28, 1984 will take the record. On this Motion, there are... there are 80... Representative Giorgi wishes to be recorded as voting 'aye'. On this Motion, there are 84 voting 'aye', 16 voting 'no', and none voting 'present'. This Motion, having received the Constitutional Majority, prevails, and the House accepts the Governor's specific recommendations for change regarding House Bill 2509, by the adoption of the Amendment. Okay. The Motion prevails by the Three-fifths Constitutional Majority. House Bill 2961. Representative Keane, which Motion do you wish to go forward with?"

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. I'd like to go to the acceptance Motion."

"Okay. The acceptance Motion. Please read that Motion, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 2961, an Act to provide for state collection of certain locally imposed taxes. Motion to accept."

"Representative Keane."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. I move to accept the amendatory veto of the Governor. As you remember, House Bill 2961 was a new Act authorizing the state to enter into agreements with home rule municipalities in counties to collect such home rule unit sales tax. The Governor's proposal basically ensures that any home rule units, any unit of local government's sales and use taxes are identical to the state sales and use taxes as to both the tax base and the schedule of disbursements as a precondition for intergovernmental agreement. Be happy to answer any questions and would ask for a favorable Roll Call."

"The Gentleman has moved to accept the Governor's specific recommendations for change in House 66  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 148th Legislative Day November 28, 1984 Bill 2961. And on that question, is there any discussion? There being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall the House accept the Governor's specific recommendations for change with respect to House Bill 2961, by the adoption of the Amendments?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. This is final action. 60 votes are required for passage. Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 99 voting 'aye', none voting 'no', and none voting 'present'. This Motion, having received the Constitutional Majority, does prevail, and the House does accept the Governor's specific reccomendations for change regarding House Bill 2961, by the adoption of the Amendment. House Bill 2992, Representative Levin. Clerk, read the Motion."

"House Bill 2992, amends an Act in relationship to vending facilities. Motion to accept."

"Representative Levin."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I would move to accept the Governor's specific recommendation for change with respect to House Bill 2992. House Bill 2992 was the Bill that we passed dealing with blind vendors to require that the Department establish standards for notification as far as when there was a vending... vending stand that was available in terms of who was eligible to bid for those in the blind vendors program. In the Senate, Senate Amendemt #1 was added to the Bill to deal with the question of teachers employed by the School for the Deaf and that, you know, they should have... I think it was the same... they should have various rights that other employees for the state have. Subsequent to our passage of this legislation, a collective bargaining agreement was entered into between these educators at the 67  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 148th Legislative Day November 28, 1984 Illinois School for the Deaf and the state. And so, it's my understanding that the... the problem that this legislation was meant to deal with has been resolved, and I know that the union, at this point, is in support of accepting the Governor's amendatory veto, which would... which would eliminate, in effect, Senate Amendment #1. So I would urge concurrence in the Governor's amendatory veto."

"The Gentleman has moved to accept the Governor's specific recommendations for change in House Bill 2992. And on that question, is there any discussion? There being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall the House accept the Governor's specific recommendations for change with respect to House Bill 2992, by the adoption of the Amendment?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. This is final action. 60 votes are required for passage. Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Motion, there are 103 voting 'aye', none voting 'no', and none voting 'present'. This Motion, having received the Constitutional Majority, does prevail, and the House accepts the Governor's specific recommendations for change regarding House Bill 2992 by the adoption of the Amendment. Ladies and Gentlemen, the Chair is now going to page 2 on your Calendar. Total Veto Motions. House Bill 1004, Representative Younge. Out of the record. House Bill 2359, Representative Nelson, for her last Bill. Representative Nelson. Mr. Clerk, read the Motion."

"I move that the House Bill 2359 do pass, the veto of the Governor notwithstanding."

"Representative Nelson."

"Thank you very much, Madam Speaker. Although we did not pass the appropriation that was the companion to this 68  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 148th Legislative Day November 28, 1984 particular Bill, I would ask the House to consider putting into our statutes the mechanism to allow, some day when there is money available through general revenue funds, this Urban Forestry Assistance Act. It does, again, provide matching grants to your municipalities, who are very much in favor of this Bill. The purpose of it is to encourage wise use of our urban forests, planting trees for tree and insect and disease control so that we do not have devastation of property values when other kinds of diseases like dutch elm sweep through our municipalities. I certainly believe that this is an appropriate shared responsibility between the State of Illinois and local municipalities, and I would ask for your 'aye' vote. Thank you."

"The Lady has moved to pass House Bill 2359, the veto of the Governor notwithstanding. And on that question, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Harris."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"The Lady will yield to a question."

"I'm just curious if this is her last Bill, or if there's going to be a last, last Bill."

"No, Representative Harris. This is the last Bill. The other was the last appropriation."

"Thank you for that clarification."

"Is there any other discussion? There being no further discussion, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 2359 pass, the veto of the Governor notwithstanding?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. This is final action. This is a total veto Motion. 71 votes are required. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 71 voting 'aye', 28 voting 69  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 148th Legislative Day November 28, 1984 'no', and 3 voting 'present'. This Motion, having received the necessary Three-fifths Constitutional Majority, prevails, and House Bill 2359 passes, the veto of the Governor notwithstanding. House Bill 2379, Representative Bowman. Representative Bowman. Out of the record. House Bill 23... 2731, Representative Steczo. Clerk? Out of the record. House Bill 2952, Representative Olson. Out of the record. House Bill 2962, Representative Keane. Representative Keane. Out of the record. On page 2 on your Calendar, Ladies and Gentlemen, appears House Bills Third Reading. House Bill 3286, Representative Friedrich. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3286, a Bill for an Act to revise the various Acts to resolve multiple Amendments or additions to correct technical errors and other patent errors and omissions and to revise cross-references and to delete obsolete or duplicative provisions. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Friedrich."

"Madam Speaker and Members of the House, this is the customary revisionary Bill by the Reference Bureau which they do from time to time. It has no substantive changes in it. It has been reviewed by the staff on both sides of the aisle, and I believe there's nothing controversial about it. We'd like to get it out today so it can be passed during this Session."

"The Gentleman has moved for the passage of House Bill 3286. And on that question, is there any discussion? There being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 3286 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 101 70  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 149th Legislative Day November 28, 1984 voting 'aye', none voting 'no', and none voting 'present'. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Committee Reports, please."

"Committee Reports. The Committee on Rules has met, and pursuant to Rule 29(c)-3, the following Bill has been ruled exempt on November 28, 1984: Senate Bill 237."

"Representative Olson, are you ready to proceed now on... Representative.. Representative Olson, are you ready to proceed on House Bill 2952? No? Which Motion would you like to proceed on?"

"Madam Speaker, I would like to go to Senate Bill 237, a Motion to take off the table."

"Where does that appear on our Calendar?"

"Page 12."

"Very good. Ladies and Gentlemen, appearing on page 12 on your Calendar under the Order of Motions is Senate Bill 237, Representative Olson. Clerk, read the Motion."

"Pursuant to Rule 74(a), I move to take from the table and place on the Calendar on the Order of Second Reading, First Legislative Day."

"Representative Olson."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Moving to take Senate Bill 236 (sic - 237) from the table, this was a Bill we considered in the June Session, 1983, and because of the hustle and bustle of the late activity in June, this Bill, which cleared the Senate on a 57 - 0 vote, and the people moving from Committee to Committee, we did not feel it received adequate attention at that time, so as a consequence, we are asking you to consider and give us a favorable vote on moving Senate Bill 237 to full consideration in the House."

"The Gentleman has asked to move Senate Bill 237 71  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 148th Legislative Day November 28, 1984 from the table and place it on the Calendar on the Order of Second Reading. And on that question, the Gentleman from Effingham, Representative Brummer."

"Yes, I wonder if the Sponsor might very briefly explain the substance of Senate Bill 237?"

"Representative Olson."

"Yes, thank you, Representative Brummer. It basically would permit chiropractors to certify the students who are not able to participate in regular p.e. classes to be excused. That was the substance of the Bill."

"Thank you."

"Is there any further discussion on this Motion? There being no further discussion, Representative Olson to close."

"Yes, thank you, Madam Speaker. I would just ask for an affirmative vote so that we may have an opportunity to consider this in the full House. Thank you very much."

"The Gentleman asks leave of the use of the Attendance Roll Call to take Senate Bill 237 from the table and place it on the Calendar on the Order of Second Reading. Does the Gentleman have leave? Hearing no objection, the Gentleman has leave, and this Bill is now on the Order of Second Reading, Second Legislative Day. Representative Olson."

"Madam Speaker, may we proceed?"

"No, you may not proceed because you are still on First Legislative Day."

"Alright. Thank you very much."

"Ladies and Gentlemen, we are going to stand at ease for a few minutes. We have just a little bit of work left to do, so if you would stay in the chamber, we will try to move as expeditiously as possible. While we are waiting, we will do the Adjournment Resolution. We are not 72  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 148th Legislative Day November 28, 1984 preparing to adjourn at this moment, however. We are just doing the Adjournment Resolution. Proceed, Mr. Clerk."

"House Joint Resolution #193. Resolved by the House of Representatives of the 83rd General Assembly of the State of Illinois, the Senate concurring herein, that when the House of Representatives adjourns on Thursday, November 29, 1984, it stands adjourned until Tuesday, December 11, 1984, at 12:30 p.m. And when the Senate adjourns on Thursday, November 29, 1984, it stands adjourned until Tuesday, December 11, 1984, at 12:00 noon."

"Representative Giorgi moves the adoption of the Adjournment Resolution. Representative Giorgi."

"Madam Speaker, to reiterate that Thursday, November 29, will be a Perfunctory Session."

"Very good. All those in favor of the Resolution say 'aye', all those opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Resolution is adopted. Introduction and First Reading."

"House Bill 3291, offered by Representative Saltsman - Tuerk - Homer - Vinson and Madigan, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the School Code. First Reading of the Bill."

"Agreed Resolutions."

"House Resolution 1290, offered by Representative McMaster. House Joint Resolutions 191 and 192, offered by Representative DiPrima et al. House Resolution 1291, offered by Representative Preston. And Senate Joint Resolutions 133, by Representative Johnson. And Senate Joint Resolution 137, by Madigan and Daniels."

"Representative Giorgi for Agreed Resolutions."

"Madam Speaker, House Resolution 1290, by McMaster, honors... praises Dustin 'Dusty' Olander for saving a lady's life. 1291, by Preston, asks that January 6 through 73  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 148th Legislative Day November 28, 1984 the 13th be designated United Cerebral Palsy week. House Joint 191, by DiPrima, congratulates Thomas Lederbrand and the State Commander of the Amvets. 192, by DiPrima, also congratulates John Larec, the National Commander of the Amvets. Senate Joint 133 by Johnson congratulates Flynn on leaving the legislative liaison for the University of Illinois. And 137, by Madigan - Daniels, urges Congress to establish hospital reimbursement rates under the protective payment system. And I move for the adoption of the Agreed Resolutions."

"The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of the Agreed Resolutions. And on those, are there any discussion? There being no discussion, all those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Agreed Resolutions are adopted. General Resolutions."

"Senate Joint Resolution 51, Representative Hoffman. Senate Joint Resolution #88, Representative Richmond, and Senate Joint Resolution #77, by Representative Capparelli."

"Committee on Assignment and Death Resolutions."

"House Resolution 1292, offered by Representative Barger, with respect to the memory of Mr. Edwin E. Deike."

"Representative Giorgi moves the adoption of the Death Resolution. All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Death Resolution is adopted."

"On page 3 on your Calendar under Total Veto Motions appears House Bill 2379. Mr. Clerk, read the Motion."

"Motion. I move that House Bill 2379 do pass, the veto of the Governor notwithstanding."

"Representative Bowman." 74  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 148th Legislative Day November 28, 1984

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 2379 provides for a... puts permissive language into the statutes permitting the state to assist local governments and school districts in curbing gang activity through a system of grants. The... The total cost of this would be subject to appropriation in any given year because it is simply permissive. The Governor's veto message, I think, was misapplied. The veto message refers to another Bill which he signed which he alleges will take care of the gang problem. In fact, the other Bill which he signed does address the gang issue, but it takes an entirely different approach. I think the problem of gang activity is large enough, it's complicated enough, that it requires more than a single approach. We had, here on the House floor just yesterday, the mother of a young man who was killed senselessly, brutally, by street gang members who mistook him for a member of a rival gang. The Mayor of Chicago has called on a... for a war on gangs. We have, in other cities in the state, problems of gang activity. It's not simply a Chicago problem. I have a copy of the November 13 issue of the Journal Star which reports on a gang problem in downstate Illinois. It is something that is one of the most difficult and most intractable problems that our society faces, and I think we need a variety of tools to deal with it and to do the job. As I indicate that this Bill is merely permissive, it does require local match. It cannot be spent for personnel, so we're not talking about adding new persons to payrolls, but we are talking about providing training. We are talking about providing some hardware in the form of walkie-talkies for street patrols and the like. This is a difficult issue. The time has come to act. I cannot understand how we could fail to approve a permissive piece of legislation like 75  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 148th Legislative Day November 28, 1984 this. The ultimate authority for spending the money is still in the hands of the Governor and the General Assembly, so I urge that we now override the Governor's veto of House Bill 2379."

"Representative Greiman in the Chair. The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Bowman, has moved for the passage of House Bill 2379, the veto of the Governor notwithstanding. And on that, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Jaffe."

"Yes, I rise in support of the Gentleman's Motion. As you know, a number of these gang Bills came through the Judiciary Committee, and I think that this was the one Bill that I think everyone on the Judiciary Committee agreed with and supported. I think that this is really the most reasonable approach of any of the Bills that we've had regarding gangs. I think a lot of the other Bills were really publicity Bills that really didn't mean anything, that were Bills that would excite the press or excite the emotions of the public, but in the last analysis, did not do anything. This particular Bill, I think, is a good Bill. I mean, it came through the Committee. I think everybody thought it was a good Bill, and I think we ought to support the Gentleman's Motion."

"Further discussion? The Gentleman from... the Lady from DuPage, Ms. Karpiel."

"Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise in opposition to this Bill. This Bill did come through the Executive Committee, and it obviously passed out of the Executive Committee. I don't remember what the vote was, but I'm sure it was pretty much a partisan thing. I think we should be opposed to this Bill for several reasons, one of which is that we're making grants. I realize there's no appropriations for this, but they're making grants 76  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 148th Legislative Day November 28, 1984 available to school districts, units of local government, et cetera, which demonstrate a workable plan to reduce street gang activity. I don't think our school districts and our local governments have the expertise or the personnel necessary to even come up with a plan against gang activity. I don't see any reason why we should have this. I believe the Department of Law Enforcement already handles things like this, as do our police departments. If you're going to give grants to anyone, I think it should go to police departments and certainly not school districts. They have enough to handle now, and I don't think we should pass this veto."

"Further discussion? There being none, Representative Bowman to close."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. In response to a couple of the points raised by the last speaker, first of all this is not a partisan issue. There are five hyphenated Sponsors on this legislation. I wish you'd check your Calendar because three of the five Sponsors are Republicans. Furthermore, the... if the Lady is correct in her statement that the local governments and school districts do not have the expertise, well then it is indeed the state's duty, its obligation, to work with these units of local government and school districts to develop the expertise. And training is a part of this legislation, and she read the language that said that they've got to come up with a workable plan. We're not talking about throwing money away. We're talking about workable plans and that the state has an obligation to assist the local governments. They are the first line of defense against gangs, Ladies and Gentlemen. Our local governments and our school districts are the first line of defense. They are coming to the state for assistance. They're turning to us 77  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 148th Legislative Day November 29, 1984 for help. Are we going to give them a cold shoulder or are we going to override this veto of the Governor? I urge that we override the veto. I ask for an 'aye' vote."

"The question is, 'Shall House Bill 2379 pass, the veto of the Governor not withstanding?' Those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is now open. Seventy-one votes. This is final action. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 59 voting 'aye', 40 voting 'no', 2 voting 'present'. And the Motion, has failed to receive the Constitutional Majority, and therefore fails. We'll stand at ease for just a few moments. Representative Van Duyne in the Chair."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I would like to pay tribute to some young fellows, some great athletes from my district who by the way represent a club that I belong to known as the Joliet Rivals Club. They... I wish I could say that they came in first, but they came in third which is quite a thing when you consider that these young fellows played in the Pee Wee Reese Tournament to which thirty-three hundred baseball teams took part. They went down to Forest Park, Georgia, and they were beaten by a team in Puerto Rico. This was a double elimination tournament, and I'm happy to say on their behalf that they were beaten by the same team twice who turned out to be the eventual winner. We're... It's my pleasure... I'll just turn this over to the coach, Neal Jolly, and he has with him all of his members, Tim Priest and Jerry Pasteris, who is one of the coaches. Some of the guys... raise your hands fellas when I call your name will you, Gary Blessing, Alberto Castor, Tony Collins, Dwayne Copper, Eric Dantzler, Andrea Daniels, Bryan Fonseca, Tim Jolly, Kevin Keagle, 78  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 149th Legislative Day November 28, 1984 Chris Priest, Jim Prospero, Rob Stanaker, Emil Standfield, Rodney Thompson and last but not least Bob Walsh, and please pay attention to Neal Jolly."

"First off, I'd like to thank, Representative Van Duyne, for inviting us here, also the Members of Congress of the House of Representative for having us. It's been a great honor to be down here in Springfield also. It's been a great honor to work with these young boys who will eventually be, I hope, leaders of the Joliet area. Thank you very much for being here."

"I have a Resolution for everyone of the fellows on the team, and so I'll just give them all to the coach. And wish them God's speed, and I hope that next year that they can beat Puerto Rico and they'll end up first. Thank you all. Representative Greiman in the Chair."

"Supplemental Calendar #2 is being distributed."

"Well, while we're at ease I might just announce that the interns from the Sangamon State University Graduate Journalism Program on Public Affairs Reporting will probably be spending their spring reporting this chamber and, of course, being fair and objective are in the north and west galleries with their instructors, Bill Miller and Mary Bolin. If the Members will bear with us for just a little while longer, we'll have our material on the desks and be able to go forward. Just bear with us."

"Supplemental Calendar #3 is being distributed."

"The House will now be in Session. I thank you for your patience and your consideration. On Supplemental Calendar #2, on the Order of Motions, appears Senate Bill 1864. A Motion by Representative Vinson. The Gentleman from DeWitt, Mr. Vinson."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This is one of the very last remaining items of 79  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 148th Legislative Day November 28, 1984 business and then we can go home. It... What the Bill does..."

"Well, Mr... Excuse me, Mr. Vinson. I represent... I recognized you on... a Motion on Senate Bill 1864 that would have to be considered before we could get to the consideration of the Conference Committee Report."

"That's a Motion to take from the table. Correct?"

"Suspend the provisions of Rule 79 in order to place it on the Calendar of the Order of Conference Committee Reports and to suspend the Rule with respect to the amount of time necessary for the Conference Committee Report to be on our desks."

"And I do make that Motion, and the primary reason for making that Motion is so that we won't have to sit around here for several more hours cogitating our navel."

"Alright. The Gentleman from DeWitt, Mr. Vinson, has moved to suspend the provisions of Rule 79 in order to place Senate Bill 1864 on the Calendar on the Order of Conference Committee Reports and to suspend the time with which Conference Committee Reports must be on the table so that it can be considered immediately. Is there leave for the Attendance Roll Call? Alright, there's leave for the Attendance Roll Call. Mr. Clerk, on Supplemental Calendar 2 on the Order of Conference Committee Reports appears Senate Bill 1864, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 1864, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act relating to the issuance and sale of general obligation bonds for the State of Illinois. First Conference Committee Report."

"On that the Gentleman from DeWitt, Mr. Vinson."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Assembly. The 1864, as originally introduced, primarily consolidated the Bonding Acts. The... We added an 80  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 148th Legislative Day November 28, 1984 Amendment in the House which dealt with special service areas to provide mechanisms for industrial and commercial development. That Amendment is removed by this Conference Committee Report. The Conference Committee Report does provide bond authorization for all projects passed by the General Assembly and approved by the Governor this year. I would move for the adoption of the Conference Committee Report to 1864."

"The Gentleman from DeWitt has moved for the adoption of Conference Committee Report #1 to Senate Bill 1864, and on that is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall the House adopt Conference Committee Report #1 to Senate Bill 1864?' This is final action. All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Final action. Seventy-one votes required. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question there are 90 voting 'aye', 13 voting 'no', 2 voting 'present'. And the House does adopt Conference Committee Report #1 to Senate Bill 1864. And the Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Message from the Senate."

"Message from the Senate by Mr. Wright, Secretary. 'Mr. Speaker, I am directed to inform the House of Representatives that the Senate has concurred with the House of Representatives in passage of Bill of the following title, to wit; House Bill #2597 together with attached Senate Amendment #1, passed the Senate as amended November 28, 1984. Kenneth Wright, Secretary.'"

"On Supplemental Calendar #3, on the Order of Motions, appears House Bill 2597, and on that Motion the Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Capparelli."

"I would move to suspend Rule 79 to... in order to 81  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 148th Legislative Day November 29, 1984 place House Bill 2597 on the Calendar on Order of Concurrences."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Capparelli, has moved to suspend Rule 79 to place House Bill 2597 on the Calendar on the Order of Concurrence, and on that is there any discussion? Does the Gentleman have leave to use the Attendance Roll Call? The Gentleman has leave, and it will be so ordered. On Supplemental Calendar #3 on the Order of Concurrence, appears House Bill 2597. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2597, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Housing Development Act together with Senate Amendment #1."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Capparelli."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen, last year when we passed this Bill we took some bonding authority away from Cook County suburban area. This will restore the mechanism to put the eleven million dollar bonding authority back into it, and I move for concurrence."

"The Gentleman from Cook has moved that the House does concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2597, and on that is there any discussion? The Gentleman from DeWitt, Mr. Vinson."

"Mr. Speaker, I rise in support of the Gentleman's Motion. One of the key items in the... his Motion would deal... would make it possible to correct a flaw in action we took earlier authorizing variable rate mortgages for IHDA. Without that, the variable rate mortgages are unworkable, and I believe that it is a critical financing mechanism for the State of Illinois for low income housing, and I would urge its adoption."

"The question is, 'Shall the House concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2597?' All those in 92  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 148th Legislative Day November 28, 1984 favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is now open. Mr. Piel, to explain his vote. This takes 71 votes. 71 votes. Mr. Piel? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question there are 95 voting 'aye', 3 voting 'no', 5 voting 'present'. And the House does concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2597. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. General (sic - Agreed) Resolutions."

House Joint Resolution 194, DiPrima - Madigan; House Resolution 1294, Terzich et al; House Resolution 1295, Davis."

"Representative Matijevich, on the Resolutions."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, House Resolution 1294, Terzich, congratulates Father Budrovich. House Resolution 1295, Davis, congratulates Doctor Robert Becker of Joliet. House Joint Resolution 194, DiPrima, congratulates Samuel Greenburg on being elected national commander of the jewish war veterans. I move for the adoption of the Agreed Resolutions."

"The Gentleman from Macon has moved for the adoption of the Agreed Resolutions. All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Resolution is adopted. A quick announcement for many Members who have been interested, I know Representative Vinson has built much of his legislative career on this issue on... as we close the Veto Session in December we will... the contractors will be coming in to begin working on the new women's washroom. And I know that that has been a matter that you have asked many times about from the floor, Mr. Vinson. And I know this is a matter of great 83  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 148th Legislative Day November 28, 1984 importance and much of your career has been based on your support of that. Mr. Vinson."

"Yes. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I just want to remind the Members of the Assembly that when the real Speaker was out there at the beginning of this General Assembly back in... I believe it was January of 1983, he said it would be done in due order. And now I do understand what he means by due order."

"Death Resolutions."

"House Resolution 1293, offered by Representative McPike et al, with respect the memory of John Francis 'Jack' Carny; and House Resolution 1296 offered by Representative Daniels et al, with respect the memory of U. S. District Judge James Waldo Ackerman."

"The Gentleman from Madison, Mr. McPike, moves for the adoption of the Death Resolutions. All in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. And the Death Resolutions are adopted. Mr. McPike, for a Motion of adjournment until 1:30 tomorrow. The Gentleman from Madison, Mr. McPike. So that there will be no confusion there will be an adjournment Motion to adjourn until tomorrow at 1:30 as a Perfunctory Session. So that we will not be in Session tomorrow. Mr. McPike."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I move the House stand adjourned until tomorrow at the hour of 1:30 p.m. for a Perfunctory Session."

"The Gentleman from Madison has moved that the House stand adjourned until the hour of 1:30 tomorrow. All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have, and the House stands adjourned." 84  02/15/85 STATE OF ILLINOIS 09:40 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY PAGE 1 HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES DAILY TRANSCRIPTION OF DEBATE INDEX NOVEMBER 28, 1984 HB-2359 VETO MESSAGE PAGE 69 HB-2379 VETO MESSAGE PAGE 74 HB-2509 VETO MESSAGE PAGE 64 HB-2597 CONCURRENCE PAGE 82 HB-2597 MOTION PAGE 81 HB-2637 VETO MESSAGE PAGE 7 HB-2638 VETO MESSAGE PAGE 39 HB-2649 VETO MESSAGE PAGE 46 HB-2649 VETO MESSAGE PAGE 60 HB-2653 VETO MESSAGE PAGE 57 HB-2653 VETO MESSAGE PAGE 62 HB-2961 VETO MESSAGE PAGE 66 HB-2992 VETO MESSAGE PAGE 67 HB-3286 THIRD READING PAGE 70 HB-3289 FIRST READING PAGE 5 HB-3290 FIRST READING PAGE 5 HB-3291 FIRST READING PAGE 73 SB-0237 MOTION PAGE 64 SB-0237 MOTION PAGE 71 SB-1864 CONFERENCE PAGE 80 SB-1864 MOTION PAGE 79 HJR-0193 ADOPTED PAGE 73 SUBJECT MATTER HOUSE TO ORDER - REPRESENTATIVE MCPIKE PAGE 1 PRAYER - REVEREND JAMES LOWERY PAGE 1 PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE PAGE 2 ROLL CALL FOR ATTENDANCE PAGE 2 AGREED RESOLUTIONS PAGE 2 DEATH RESOLUTIONS PAGE 4 GENERAL RESOLUTION PAGE 5 APPROVAL OF JOURNALS PAGE 5 REPRESENTATIVE BRESLIN IN CHAIR PAGE 27 COMMITTEE REPORT PAGE 71 AGREED RESOLUTIONS PAGE 73 GENERAL RESOLUTIONS PAGE 74 DEATH RESOLUTION PAGE 74 REPRESENTATIVE GREIMAN IN CHAIR PAGE 76 MESSAGE FROM SENATE PAGE 81 AGREED RESOLUTIONS PAGE 83 DEATH RESOLUTIONS PAGE 84 ADJOURNMENT PAGE 84