"The House will be in order. The Members will be in their chairs. We will be led in prayer today by the House Chaplain for today will be Father Anthony Tzortzis, Pastor of St. Anthony's Hellenic Orthodox Church in Springfield. Father Tzortzis. Excuse me. Will the guests in the gallery please stand for the invocation?"
"Christ is risen from the dead, by death trampling upon death, and has bestowed life to those in the tombs. Let us who have beheld the resurrection of Christ worship our holy Lord Jesus, who is alone without sin. We worship Thy cross, oh Christ, and praise and glorify Thy holy resurrection, for Thou art our God, and we know none other beside thee, and we call upon Thy name. Come, all ye faithful, let us worship Christ's holy resurrection, for behold, through the cross, joy has come to the whole world, we praise His resurrection and forever glorify the Lord. He endured the cross for us, and by death destroyed death. Christ has risen from the death as He foretold and gave us eternal life and great mercy. Christ has risen. God bless you."
"We will be led in the Pledge of Allegiance today by Representative Ropp."
Ropp et al: "I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United states of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
"Roll Call for Attendance. Have all recorded themselves who wish? Mr. Clerk, would you please take the record? Let the record show there are 118 Members present. Messages from the Senate."
"A Message from the Senate by Mr. Wright, Secretary. 'Mr. Speaker, I am directed to inform the House 1 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 26th Legislative Day April 17, 1985 of Representatives that the Senate has concurred with the House in passing the Bills of the following title, to wit: House Bill #485, together with attached Amendment passed the Senate as amended April 16, 1985. Kenneth Wright, Secretary. A Message from the Senate by Mr. Wright, Secretary. Mr. Speaker, I am directed to inform the House of Representatives that the Senate has passed a Bill of the following title, of which I am instructed to ask concurrence of the House of Representatives, to wit: Senate Bills #7, 9, 58, 97, 106, 111, 118, 133, 141, 147, 170, 177, 246, 247, 248, 281, 286 and 338, passed by the Senate April 16, 1985. Kenneth Wright, Secretary.""
"Committee Reports."
"Representative Richmond, Chairman of the Committee on Agriculture, to which the following Bills were referred, action taken April 16, 1985, reported the same back with the following recommendations: 'do pass' House Bill 950; 'do pass as amended' House Bill 582. Representative Steczo, Chairman of the Committee on Cities and Villages to which the following Bills were referred, action taken April 16, 1985, reported the same back with the following recommendations: 'do pass' House Bill 521 and 640; 'do pass Consent Calendar' House Bill 802. Representative White, Chairman of the Committee on Human Services, to which the following Bills were referred, action taken April 16, 1985, reported the same back with the following recommendations: 'do pass' House Bills 722, 1081 and 1157; 'do pass as amended Short Debate Calendar' House Bill 705. Representative Preston, Chairman of the Committee on Consumer Protection, to which the following Bill was referred, action taken April 16, 1985, reported the same back with the following recommendations: 'do pass as amended' House Bill 493. Representative Laurino, 2 STATE OF ILLINOIS 34th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 26th Legislative Day April 17, 1985 Chairman of the Committee on Insurance, to which the following Bill was referred, action taken April 16, 1985, reported the same back with the following recommendation: 'do pass Consent Calendar House Bill 1165. Representative Ronan, Chairman from the Committee on Transportation and Motor Vehicles, to which the following Bills were referred, action taken April 16, 1985, reported the same back with the following recommendations: 'do pass' House Bill 575, 636 and 860; 'do pass as amended' House Bill 56 and 751; 'do pass Short Debate Calendar' House Bill 430, 639 and 1013. Interim Study Calendar House Bill 289."
"Senate Bills First Reading."
"Senate Bill 111, Matijevich, a Bill for an Act to amend the Senior Citizens and Disabled Persons Property Tax and Pharmaceutical Assistance Act. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 133, Piel, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of an Act to provide for the burial of certain deceased veterans and their mothers, fathers, husbands, wives, widows, widowers, minor children, by counties. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 141, Giorgi, a Bill for an Act concerning terms of office of various state commissioners and board members. First Reading of the Bill."
"Representative Richmond, purpose of a Motion?"
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I rise to move that Senate Bill 262 be brought back from Third to Second Reading for purpose of Amendments."
"You've heard the Gentleman's Motion. Does the Gentleman have leave? Leave is granted. The Bill is on Second Reading. Senate Bill 263. Out of the Record. Representative Friedrich, for what purpose do you rise?"
"Mr. Speaker, I'm going to be asking for a Republican Conference, which should last about 15 minutes, so we can 3 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 26th Legislative Day April 17, 1985 get our Members down there promptly, and I would like to do it before there's any action on this particular Bill, so at this time, I would like to ask for a Republican Conference for the Republicans to be back on the floor not later than 12:30."
"Thank you, Representative Friedrich. Right after an introduction by Representative McMaster, Representative McMaster has some people here from West Germany, and I'd like the House to be in order, and at this time, I'd like to ask Representative McMaster to make the introduction."
"Mr. Speaker, it is my pleasure to introduce to you today, from Hess. Oldendorf, West Germany, Asterid Gutsmann, who is going to be a student at the community college of the State of Illinois in my district for the next couple of years, and her mother, Kathrin Gutsmann. They're from Hess. Oldendorf, West Germany. Would you please welcome them?"
"Hello. I'm happy to be here, and I enjoy it very much. Thank you."
"I'm happy to be here. Thank you."
"The House will stand in recess, giving the Republicans ample time to have their Caucus until 12:30. Room 118. Room 118 for Republican Caucus. Ladies and Gentlemen, I'd like to recognize Representative Rea for the purpose of an introduction. Representative Rea."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. We do have a delegation here from West Frankfort High School government class, and we'd like to welcome them to Springfield, and they're in the gallery up here on my left. We're glad to have you in Springfield. Thank you."
"The House will come to order. Agreed Resolutions." 4 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 26th Legislative Day
Speaker
April 17, 1985 "House Resolution 204, offered by Representative Stephens; 205, Stephens; 206, Greiman - et al; 207, Greiman and Sutker; 209, Churchill; 210, McAuliffe; 211, McAuliffe; 213, Madigan and Daniels; 214, Phelps - et al; 218, Stange; 219, Hawkinson; 220, Hartke; 221 Hartke; 222, Piel; 223, Johnson; 224, Hallock and Giorgi; 225, Virginia Frederick; 226, Ewing; 227, Krska; 228, Hawkinson: 229, Nash - et al; 230, Klemm; and 231, Madigan - et al. Also Senate Joint Resolution #33, offered by Representative Stange."
"Representative Giorgi, on the Agreed Resolutions." "Mr. Speaker, 204, by Stephens, recognizes Bogie Redmon in the sports hall of fame. 205, by Stephens, also lauds Clete Schwaegel in the hall of fame. 206, by Greiman, requests the U.S. to participate in law and justice guidelines. 207, by Greiman, thanks Mel Greenstein' for his valuable service to the community. 209, by Churchill, urges a cutback in regulations concerning professions. 210, by McAuliffe, congratulates an eagle scout. 211, by McAuliffe, salutes an eagle scout. 213, by Madigan, commends Denny Hastert and members of the Joint Committee on Public Utility Regulations on their outstanding work. 214, by Phelps, talks about clean coal payments. 218, by Stange, honors Carl F. Hoenecke. 219, by Hawkinson, recognizes the Carl Sandburg College women's basketball team. 220, by Hartke, commands Frank Hardick on a retirement. 221, by Hartke, congratulates the 'Pomerates' of Teutopolis High School. 222, by Piel, wishes a hundredth happy birthday. 223, by Johnson, lauds the Corn Jerkers. 224, by Hallock, honors Lou Franchini. 225, by Frederick, honors the Delta Kappa Gamma Society International. 226, by Ewing, recognizes Mayor Matt's retirement. 227, by Krska, honors Father Mark Hegener. 5 26th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 17, 1985 Hawkinson's 228 congratulates the Carl Sandburg men's basketball team, 229, by Nash, congratulates the Greek-American Parade Committee. 220... 230, by Klemm, says nice things about Frances Kuhn. 231, by Madigan, notes a retirement. And Senate Joint Resolution 33, by Stange, honors Bud Grane. And I move for the adoption of all the Agreed Resolutions."
"The Gentleman moves the adoption of the Agreed Resolutions. All those in favor signify by saying 'aye'. 'Nays'? The 'ayes' have it. The Resolutions are adopted. Introduction and First Reading."
"House Bill 2526, offered by Representative McAuliffe, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of an Act to establish the Military and Naval Code of the State of Illinois. First Reading of the Bill."
"On page eight of the Calendar appears Senate Bills Third Reading. Senate Bill 263. The Gentleman from Richmond... The Gentleman from Jackson, Representative Richmond."
"Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I move to bring Senate Bill 263 back to Second Reading for purpose of Amendment."
"Does the Gentleman have leave? Leave is granted. The Bill is now in Second Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"Floor Amendment #1, offered by Representative Richmond, amends Senate Bill 263 in the House on page one, line 14 and 15 by deleting and so forth."
"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This Amendment is identical to one that has been placed on House Bill 45 in the Senate, and this is the Amendment that makes a few adjustments in the Bill that the administration... the Governor had requested 6 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 26th Legislative Day April 17, 1985 and to make it in the condition that he would support the Bill and sign it immediately into law once we get it to his desk, and I move for the adoption of Amendment #1."
"The Gentleman moves for the adoption. Is there any discussion on the Amendment? The Gentleman... Hearing none, the question is, 'Shall the Amendment be adopted?' All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', all opposed 'nay'. The 'ayes' have it, and the Amendment's adopted. Third Reading. The Gentleman from Jackson, Representative Richmond."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I now move that the appropriate rules be waived in order to hear Senate Bill 263 on Third Reading immediately and request leave to use the Attendance Roll Call for this purpose."
"Does the Gentleman have leave? Leave is granted. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill, please."
"Senate Bill 263, a Bill for an Act in relation to farm credit. Third Reading of the Bill."
"Representative Richmond."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I think we're all acquainted with what the Bill is as amended, and so I will not waste any more time of the House and just simply move for the... or ask for your favorable consideration in the final passage of this Bill."
"Any discussion? The Gentleman from MacLean, Representative Ropp."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'd just like to ask a question relative to this particular Amendment to address it to you. It's got a number of different appropriations in it, and I'm wondering whether we might be able to separate a few of these and vote on them individually rather than... Okay. No, I'm on the wrong Bill. I'm sorry." 7 STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 26th Legislative Day
"No further questions? April 17, 1985 Alright. Any further discussion? There being no further discussion, the Bill... The Gentleman from Winnebago, Representative Mulcahey."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Would the Sponsor yield for a question?"
"The Sponsor indicates he will."
"Representative Richmond, what does this Bill 263... Senate Bill 263 now do as amended?"
"As amended, it would do exactly what it did before, except that it puts a 13 percent cap on the... on the interest rate and spells out the intent of the Bill, in that it would be used only for the... the current planting season. It's not... And it also cannot be used to pay other bits from previous years, and also adds a June the 15th cutoff date for applications to get into the program."
"Okay. Alright. Is there further discussion? The question is, 'Shall Senate Bill 263 pass?" All those in favor signify by vote 'aye'... by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 102 voting 'yes', 9 voting 'no', 2 voting 'present', 5 absent. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Soliz, for what purpose do you rise? Representative Soliz?"
"I'd like to be placed on the record as voting 'aye' on that Bill, please."
"Let the record show that Representative Soliz has requested to vote 'aye' on Senate Bill 263. Will the House be at ease for a few minutes? We have some pending legislation that's being printed and will soon be distributed. The Bill... The Bill procedure being printed... malfunction will be ready to roll in a few 8 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 26th Legislative Day April 17, 1985 minutes. On the Order of Second Reading Senate Bills... Senate Bills Second Reading appears Senate Bill 263. 262. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"Senate Bill 262, a Bill for an Act making a certain appropriation to the Illinois Farm Development Authority. Third (sic Second) Reading of the Bill."
"Are there any Amendments?"
"Amendment #1, offered by Representative Ropp and Wait, amends Senate Bill 262 on page one, line five by deleting $25,000,000 and inserting in lieu thereof $75,000,000."
"Representative Ropp on the Amendment. Representative Ropp."
"Yeah, Mr. Speaker, I'd like to withdraw that Amendment."
"Is there leave to withdraw the Amendment? Leave is granted. Are there any further Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #2, offered by Representative Ropp and Wait, amends Senate Bill 262 on page one, line five by deleting $25,000,000 and inserting in lieu thereof $50,000,000."
"Mr. Ropp?"
"Mr. Speaker, I'd like leave to withdraw this Amendment, please."
"Is there leave? Leave is granted. Further Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #3, offered by Representative Matijevich and Hoffman, amends Senate Bill 262 on page one by deleting line one and two and so forth."
"Representative Matijevich."
"Yes, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, House Amendment #3 to Senate Bill 262 adds several supplemental appropriations and transfers for various state agencies. The total amount is $143,004,189, 64,871,330 out 9 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 26th Legislative Day April 17, 1985 of General Revenue Funds. This would include 890,900 to the State Treasurer for coal bond debt service; 439,400 to the Comptroller for Court of Claim awards; 8,100,000 to the Department of Aging for in-home services; 50,000 to DCCA for a study of the 'South Wirts' plant to determine initiatives in that area, 250,000 to the Department of Commerce and Community Affairs for... to meet a bond payment of May 1st deadline for the Rockford Civic Center; $925,000 to the Department of Industry and Natural Resources so that we can avail ourselves of federal monies for the home energy loan program; $500,000 for the Department of Energy and Natural Resources for the 'Fermi' lab study: $6,200,000, which is a transfer within the Department of Public Aid. The Department of Revenue, $75,000,000 for lottery prize awards; $55,000,000 for both business, individual and unitary refunds; 590... $663,197 to the Comptroller to meet salary commitments; and $185,630 for arbitrators' salaries within the Industrial Commission. Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I move for the adoption of Amendment #3 to Senate Bill 262."
"You've heard the Gentleman's Motion. On that Motion, are there any questions? Representative Koehler, the Lady from Marshall."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. In accordance with Rule 55 (c), I would like for four other Members to join with me in asking for a Roll Call vote on this Amendment. I think that it is important to point out that while I certainly do not object to the $25,000,000 that is being included for the emergency credit for farmers, and the coal bond, and 10 out of the 12 part... portions of this Bill. I do have a few reservations about the reapportionment Bill that is also included in there, but of course, as you well know, the 10 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 26th Legislative Day April 17, 1985 12th part of this legislation is the supplemental appropriation that would... that would fund the... the pay raises that were included in the compensation review board report. And while I do not object to the major portions of this Bill, I must oppose the manner in which it is being passed. I think it is disappointing that we see these good things being used in an effort to pass what we all know is the pay raise supplemental. And I do think that this is just an effort to make it somewhat easier to vote for that, and I think that we may be fooling ourselves, but we will not be fooling the public. This is just an attempt to cloud the issue, and I believe that it should be opposed, and unfortunately, it's methods like this that breeds contempt by the public for the Legislature, and ultimately for the laws we enact. So, I would like to have a Roll Call vote on this issue, please."
"It's the intent of this Speaker to have a recorded Roll Call on this Amendment. discussion? The Representative Further... Further from Effingham, Hartke: Representative Hartke." "Yes, Sir, Mr. Speaker. I'm opposed to this Amendment. I think we've worked very hard trying to put a farm Bill together, and I think this is another attempt to use the farmers, and I would urge you to vote against this Amendment. As I look through this analysis, it contains everything for everybody, including that pay raise, and I cannot go back to my district and say that I voted for this. In spite of me being a hyphenated Sponsor on this Bill, if this Amendment does pass, I plan to withdraw as a Sponsor of that Bill, because I cannot justify voting for this Amendment. I urge that you defeat this Amendment."
"Further discussion? The Gentleman from DuPage, Representative Hoffman." 11 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 17, 1985 26th Legislative Day
"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I think we have to look at this Amendment for what it is. The issue that has been brought up by some of the previous speakers in terms of the pay raise is after the fact. The fact is that we all had an opportunity to participate in that issue. We did that during the last Session, and this is just implementing law that is already in place. Voting for or against this Amendment doesn't do anything in terms of indicating where you stand on any particular issue. It merely puts in place those things, particularly as far as the pay raise is concerned, already in law. And you will notice as you look through these other Sections, we have income tax refunds involved here. We have lottery prizes which we have to provide appropriations to pay lottery prizes out of money that's collected. That is not automatic. As well as another... a number of other germane items. I did not support the farm Bill that left the House, and I don't think supporting this Amendment or opposing the Amendment says anything about your position on the farm issue. I think that was addressed and will be addressed when we deal with the substantive issue. This is merely the appropriation to put into place, into effect, the substantive legislation which we passed, and it's for that reason that I rise in conjunction with Representative Matijevich and ask that you vote for Amendment #3 to Senate Bill 262."
"Further discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Bullock."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Senate Bill 262 and the Amendment 3 to 262, I believe, goes an awful long way to helping Governor Thompson meet his commitment for economic development as he outlined for this Assembly on several occasions. The three 12 26th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 17, 1985 items in the Bill that I think are most striking, in my estimation, are the 8.I million dollar authorization for aging and home health services, which is a major priority of this state administration. The Bill also provides 6.2 million dollars for the very, very needy in our state those on public aid - as an income program, but more importantly, Governor Thompson has advocated for the state, the super conductor - semiconductor program, and the 'Fermi' Lab study of a half million dollars is certainly something that we want to support in the State of Illinois. The semiconductor - super conductor program that Governor Thompson talked about is going to be a major economic development tool for central Illinois and for southern Illinois, and we need this study. And we need to let the 'Ferui' Lab get on with the study so that the Governor can, in fact, bring his program to the State of Illinois. So for those of you who would want to be nay sayers and nit pick, I think there's some major substance to this Amendment. It's a bipartisan Amendment. It certainly is a step in the direction of helping the Governor achieve some of his objectives for moving our state ahead. And I would urge an 'aye' vote."
"The Gentleman from MacLean, Representative Ropp."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. The real tragedy of this particular Amendment is that nearly every issue that's on this Amendment is good, but the real problem is that when we wanted to deal with a real crisis, dealing with agriculture, and many of us had been working on it for several months, this Bill could have been passed a month ago. To think that we had to wait almost a month to put the appropriations into effect, and then to include in the whole vegetable basket, is certainly something that 13 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 26th Legislative Day April 17, 1985 I think is untimely at this point, and certainly has delayed the real intent of trying to help some people who desperately need some funds in order to put a crop in within the next week. And I certainly would see no major opposition to even drafting another Amendment to somewhat separate some of these issues. Frankly, I think I could support every issue, but I really don't like to support them all in one big bunch."
"Further discussion? The Gentleman from Fulton, Representative Homer."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen. One of the previous speakers, I think, in arguing for the passage of the Amendment actually hit on the reason why we ought to defeat it. He indicated that ordinarily, appropriation Bills are simply to implement substantive legislation on which we've already taken action. As you well know, there's no Member of this House that had an opportunity to take action on the substantive legislation which authorized the pay raise, and the reason for that is because of the peculiarity of the Compensation Review Board. When this General Assembly met in the waning days of the 33rd General Assembly, and as its last act, took action on that pay raise Bill, it had already been 'fait accomplished'. The Senate's action in refusing to reject the pay board's report sealed the fate, and no Member of this House has had, yet, an opportunity to vote on the pay raise issue. This will be our first, and perhaps only, opportunity to take the vote that we, I think, owe the people we represent to cast a vote on. So I think it becomes very clear that it does make a difference as to how you vote on this Bill... on this Amendment, because by voting 'no', you are saying that you are opposed to the action taken by the Compensation Review Board in the pay increase. If you vote 14 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 26th Legislative Day April 17, 1985 'yes', then you voted to confirm and ratify what that board has done. I think it's very clear that if we defeat this Amendment, that other Amendments will come back to us which will implement the appropriations in the farm Bill. Is there anyone here who would pretend that this vote, by voting 'no', would deny the implementation of that farm Bill by the appropriation? It will never happen. That appropriation Bill will be back before us. The vote is very simple. A 'yes' vote is for the pay raise. A 'no' vote is against the pay raise."
"Further discussion? The Representative from Livingston, Representative Ewing."
"Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, several things have been said that caused me to rise and discuss this Amendment. First of all, we oftentimes put together different appropriation Bills, but unless they are politically sensitive, they go right out of this Body with very little comment. It's been said that we are holding up aid to the farmers by tying this together. I can't buy that logic, because we still have to vote on the appropriation for the farmers, and it won't move any faster or any slower whether it's alone or together. Second, the pay issue - and that's the real issue here, is the pay issue - and that is now in the courts. The Legislature has taken their action. I didn't vote for the pay raise. Many of you people didn't, but I would say that probably all of us in this Body have been accepting it each month, and how many of us have asked the Comptroller to set aside the pay raise in case the court called it unconstitutional? If we feel that strongly, maybe we should have taken that action. We have separation of powers in this state, and as I said, the issue of the pay raise is in the courts, and if the courts say what we did was unconstitutional, then it will 15 26th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 17, 1985 be back in our lap to take that action which is necessary to rectify the situation. And finally, all of us at times down here do not agree with action taken by this General Assembly, but in the end, government must go on. We must fund government, and the will of the majority must control. And that's like saying that I will vote for no appropriation because I didn't support the substantive legislation. Well, I can tell you, Ladies and Gentlemen, that we have never given my schools enough in my area, but I have voted for that appropriation Bill because it was the only thing I could do. And I think that holds true with this Amendment."
"Representative Flinn, the Gentleman from St. Clair."
"Mr. Speaker, I move the previous question."
"The Gentleman moves the previous question. The question is, 'Shall the question be put?' All those in favor signify by saying 'aye'. 'Nays'? The 'ayes' have it. Representative Matijevich to close. Representative?"
"Alright. Thank you. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, someone once told me you can spend a billion dollars in the Legislature in five seconds and nobody will say a word, yet you could probably try to appropriate a hundred dollars for a chair, and all of a sudden, there will be debate for an hour because someone can relate to that chair, I guess. But both Gene Hoffman, the Cosponsor, and I have been here for 19 years, and I guess in a way, I take a personal affront to anybody who might in any way say that what we are doing here today is anything but above board. You know, here we are in an open legislative Session. The lights are on. The sun's shining. Everybody can see what we're doing. You know, I'm a full time Legislator. I cashed my check this week. I have to, if my 16 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 26th Legislative Day April 17, 1985 son and my wife and I are going to eat at home, like everybody else. I'm no different than anybody else in this State of Illinois. You know, if you look at this supplemental appropriation and compare that the amount that we debated for the last half hour with the other amounts, it is the lowest amount on this appropriation Bill. Yet somebody wants to make a big political issue, I guess, of this, when if we all want to be responsible and I hope that when Gene Hoffman and I leave this Legislature, I know I can say it of Gene, and I hope... and I'm sure he can say it of me - that everything that we've done here has been responsible and above board. Everything. And this is an issue like that. We have been up front with this issue. It's here, and we really have handled this appropriation, this supplemental, no different than other supplementals that have come across your desk every day in this Session when we handle appropriation matters. Nothing different. Why should it be any different? It is an appropriation. It's here to see, to look at. Not only that, if you really want to be responsible, we have already committed, by statute, these funds. Now, I've always maintained that if you vote to commit funds, or even if you don't vote, but by statute, they are committed, then you have a responsibility, as a responsible Legislator, to vote the appropriations. Many of you remember one year that I made a mockery of the system when one of the Members used to vote 'no' on everything, everything. And one day, that Legislator voted 'no' on that Legislator's appropriation Bill. Can you imagine that? That happens around here, and I said, 'You know, if we are responsible, let's vote on appropriations to fund government.' This is no different. That's what it is. It's a commitment, a statutory commitment. Let's vote 'aye' and be honest about it. 17 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 1 April 17, 1985 26th Legislative Day Let's not hide behind anything. Let's be honest and not fear it at all. You make your own fears. You make your own fears. If you stand up and say, 'I'm responsible', fear nothing."
"The question is, 'Shall Amendment #3 to Senate Bill 262 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye'. All those in favor vote 'nay'. Voting is open. The Lady from Marshall, Representative Koehler."
"Mr. Speaker, if by chance the... I would like to ask for a verification of the vote, please."
"Your point's well taken. The Lady from Cook, Representative Braun."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. On behalf of the Mexican Defense League and the computer people and the activists who worked on the reapportionment case whose fees are involved in here, I want to vote my conscience, but I wanted to declare that I may have a conflict."
"Representative Flinn."
"Well, Mr. Speaker, if this Amendment passes and the Bill passes, since I'm one of the senior people here, I would like to ask, as a special privilege, that I be allowed to leave as soon as I vote for the Bill, so I can beat all those people voting 'no' down to the Comptroller's Office."
"The Gentleman from Jackson, Representative Richmond."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I'm truly sorry that this controversial issue has come to light as it regards a Bill that I am the principal Sponsor of. The... Certainly most, if not all, of the appropriation items here, I have no problem with. I have not been a supporter of the concept of the Pay Review Board, and I voted accordingly. Now, if this passes, I and 18 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 26th Legislative Day April 17, 1985 several others of my colleagues who have worked so hard on this farm Bill are going to have to grapple with a very serious situation, whether or not we want to jeopardize the appropriation that would implement our farm Bills that we just passed here a few minutes ago, in order to... that decision would have to be made. Whether or not that's important enough, of course, that's something everyone will have to decide, but I do apologize. I'm sorry that this Amendment had to be applied to this Bill, because obviously, we have a tremendous amount of support for the concept of the farm Bill, even in the Governor's Office."
"Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. The Gentleman from Lake, Representative Matijevich."
"Poll of the Absentees, please."
"Mr. Clerk, poll the absentees, please."
"Representative Leverenz. No further."
"Representative Matijevich?"
"Yes, I'm asking for a... since the... they will quote they won the verification, that the negative be polled first. In other words, the verification of the negative vote first, because that is the prevailing side of this issue."
"You're correct. Mr. Clerk, will you verify the negative, please?"
"Verification of the negative vote. Breslin. Brunsvold. Capparelli. Christensen. Countryman. Curran. DeJaegher. DeLeo. Deuchler. Didrickson. Dunn. Farley. Virginia Frederick. Giglio. Goforth. Hannig. Harris. Hartke. Hawkinson. Hicks. Homer. Johnson. Keane. Kirkland. Klemm. Koehler. Krska. Laurino. Mays. McAuliffe. McGann. McNamara. Mulcahey. Oblinger. O'Connell. Olson. Pangle. Parcels. Parke. B. Pedersen. 19 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 26th Legislative Day April 17, 1985 W. Peterson. Phelps. Rea. Reagan. Ryder. Saltsman. Satterthwaite. Shaw. Steczo. Stephens. Stern. Sutker. Tate. Tuerk. Wait. Weaver. Williamson. Wojcik. Woodyard and Zwick."
"Are there any questions of the Negative Roll Call? Representative Matijevich."
"Representative Bruce Farley."
"Representative Farley in the chamber? Representative Farley. How is the Gentleman recorded?"
"The Gentleman is recorded as voting 'no'."
"Remove him from the Roll Call."
"Representative Countryman. Is he here?"
"Representative Countryman? Representative Countryman is in back of you."
"Representative Steczo."
"Representative Steczo. Representative Steczo in the chamber? How is the Gentleman recorded?"
"The Gentleman is recorded as voting 'no'."
"Remove the Gentleman from the Roll Call."
"Representative Laurino."
"Representative Laurino? Representative Laurino in the chambers? Representative Laurino is at the well."
"Representative Olson."
"Representative Olson. Representative Olson is in his chair."
"Representative Pangle."
"Representative Pangle? Representative Pangle is in the aisle."
"Representative Tate."
"Representative Tate? Is Representative Tate in the chambers? Representative Tate's in his chair."
"Representative Hicks."
"Hicks? Representative Hicks? He's in his 20 26th Legislative Day chair." STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 17, 1985
"Representative Harris. Dave Harris."
"Representative Harris is in the chambers."
"Representative DeJaegher."
"Representative DeJaegher. Representative DeJaegher in the chamber? Representative DeJaegher is in his chair."
"Did you say Laurino was here?"
"Is Representative Laurino here? Representative Laurino in the chambers?"
"I've got one bad eye. Did you say he was here?"
"I believe he was verified?"
"Oh. Okay."
"There he is. He's by the Speaker's podium. Further questions?"
"Tim Johnson?"
"Representative Johnson? Johnson's in his seat. Representative Shaw, for what purpose do you rise?"
"Yeah, Mr. Speaker. Would you change my vote from 'no' to 'aye'?"
"Representative Shaw requests that his vote be changed from 'nay' to 'aye'."
"Ray Christensen."
"Representative Christensen in the chamber? He's in his chair."
"No further questions of the negative vote."
"Mr. Speaker, what's the count? Mr. Clerk? Are there any further questions? Representative Matijevich?"
"I'd like to know what the count is on the negative."
"The count now is 57 'nay', 57 'aye'."
"Just one moment. I'm looking around. I've got that cataract in my eye, and I'm having problems yet. Is Representative Giglio in his seat?" 21 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 26th Legislative Day
"Representative... "
"Kay Wojcik."
"Representative Wojcik. Is Representative Wojcik in the chamber? Mr. Clerk, how is the Lady recorded?"
"The Lady is recorded as voting 'no'."
"Remove her from the Roll Call."
"Wait a minute. I think we have one more. Wait. We waited long enough. Ron Wait."
"Representative Wait? Representative Wait in the chamber? How is the Gentleman recorded, Mr. Clerk?"
"The Gentleman is recorded as voting 'no'."
"Remove the Gentleman from the Roll Call. Mr. Clerk, what's the count, please? The count is 57 'ayes', 55 'nays'. Representative Frederick? How is the Lady recorded? Representative Frederick."
"The Lady is recorded as voting 'no'."
"Will you change my vote to 'aye', please?"
"Mr. Clerk, what's the count? The count is 58 voting 'aye', 54 voting 'nay'. The Amendment carries. Representative Koehler, for what purpose do you rise?"
"Mr. Speaker, I had asked for a... I would like to have a verification of the Affirmative Roll Call, and I had asked for that early on, if it carried."
"The Lady is correct. Mr. Clerk, poll the affirmative votes."
"Poll of the Affirmative. Alexander. Barger. Barnes. Berrios. Bowman."
"Excuse me, Mr. Clerk. Representative Bowman, for what purpose to you rise?"
"Leave to be verified, Mr. Speaker. I'll be right outside the door, here."
"Does the Gentleman have leave to be verified? Leave is granted. Representative Levin." 22 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 17, 1985 26th Legislative Day
"Same request. Leave to be verified."
"The Gentleman asks leave to be... Leave is granted. Representative Nash."
"Leave. Leave to be verified, please?"
"Leave to be verified. Leave is granted. Representative Shaw."
"Leave to be verified, Mr. Speaker."
"Leave to ne verified? Leave is granted. Representative Vitek?"
"Leave to be verified."
"Leave to be verified? Leave is granted. Representative White."
"Leave to be verified."
"Leave to be verified? Leave is granted. Mr. Clerk, proceed with the Roll Call."
"Braun. Brookins. Bullock. Churchill. Cowlishaw. Cullerton. Currie. Daniels. Davis. Ewing. Flinn. Flowers. Virginia Frederick. Dwight Friedrich. Giorgi. Greiman. Hallock. Hastert. Hensel. Hoffman. Huff. Kubik. Kulas. LeFlore. Levin. Matijevich. Mautino. McCracken. McMaster. McPike. Nash. Panayotovich. Piel. Preston. Pullen. Rice. Ronan. Ropp. Shaw. Slater. Soliz. Stange. Terzich. Turner. Van Duyne. Vinson. Vitek. Washington. White. Wolf. Anthony Young. Yvetter Younge and Mr. Speaker."
"Questions of the affirmative? Representative Koehler."
"Flowers."
"Representative Flowers is in the chambers."
"Representative Hallock."
"Representative Hallock's in the center of the aisle."
"Representative Huff?" 23 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 26th Legislative Day Speaker Giglio: his chair." April 17, 1985 "Representative Huff? Representative Huff is in
"Representative Keane."
"Representative Keane is in his chair."
"Representative Kubik."
"Kubik. Representative Kubik? He's in his chair."
"Oh. Okay, thank you. LeFlore."
"LeFlore is in his seat."
"Representative McPike."
"Representative McPike is in his chair."
"Representative Panayotovich."
"Representative Panayotovich? Is Representative Panyotovich in the chamber? Representative Panayotovich is in the chambers, at the door."
"Representative Piel."
"Representative Piel is in the chamber at the front."
"Representative Ronan."
"Representative Ronan is in the center of the aisle."
"Representative Ropp."
"Representative Ropp? Representative Ropp is at the rear of the chamber."
"Representative Turner."
"Representative Turner is in the aisle."
"Representative Van Duyne."
"Representative Van Duyne is in his seat."
"Representative Washington."
"Representative Washington is in his chair."
"And finally, Representative Anthony Young."
"Representative Anthony Young is in his seat."
"Thank you. That's all, Mr. Speaker." 24 26th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 17, 1985
"Mr. Clerk, what's the count? On the Amendment, there are 58 voting 'aye, 54 voting 'nay', 1 voting 'present'. The Amendment's adopted to Senate Bill 262. Any further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. Representative Richmond, for what purpose do you rise?"
"Yes, for purpose of a Motion, Mr. Speaker. I now move that Senate Bill 262... that we waive the proper rules so that it may be heard immediately."
"The Gentleman asks leave that the... waive the appropriate rule to have the Bill heard on Third Reading immediately. Does the Gentleman have leave? Representative Koehler?"
"I would object."
"The Lady objects. The Bill remains on Third Reading. Supplemental Calendar #1 appears Concurrence, House Bill 8... 485, Representative Richmond. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 485, a Bill for an Act in relation to farm credit, together with Senate Amendment #1."
"The Gentleman from Jackson, Representative Richmond."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I move to concur with the Amendment placed on House Bill 485 by the Senate. It puts it in the exact position of the Bill that we passed here just a half an hour or so ago. I move for concurrence with the Senate action on 485."
"The Gentleman moves to concur on Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 485. This is final action. Is there any discussion? Hearing no discussion, the question is, 'Shall the House concur to Senate Amendment #1 on House 25 26th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 17, 1985 Bill 485? All those in favor vote 'aye", all those opposed vote 'nay'. Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 107 voting 'yes', 7 voting 'no', 2 voting 'present', 2 absent, and the House does concur on Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 485. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Committee Reports."
"Representative Keane, Chairman of the Committee on Revenue, to which the following Bills were referred, action taken April 11, 1985, reported the same back with the following recommendation: 'Interim Study Calendar', House Bill 331 and 462."
"Representative McPike, Motion on the adjournment."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I now move the House stand adjourned until tomorrow at the hour of 12:00 noon."
"12:30."
"At the hour of 12:30 tomorrow."
"12:30. The House now stands adjourned until... announcements? Representative Wolf."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. For purposes of an announcement, the Personnel and Pensions Committee will meet at 4:00 p.m. in room c-1 in the Stratton Building. In view of the substantial amount of Bills that we have in the Pensions Committee, I would like to suggest to those Members who have Bills that have a substantial cost impact that they might consider wanting to put those Bills in the Interim Study Calendar. Thank you."
"Any further announcements? No further announcements. The House does stand adjourned until 12:30 tomorrow afternoon." 26 07/30/85 16:10 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES DAILY TRANSCRIPTION OF DEBATE INDEX APRIL 17, 1985 PAGE 1 HB-0485 CONCURRENCE PAGE 25 HB-2526 FIRST READING PAGE 6 SB-0111 FIRST READING PAGE 3 SB-0133 FIRST READING PAGE 3 SB-0141 FIRST READING PAGE 3 SB-0262 SECOND READING PAGE 9 SB-0262 RECALLED PAGE 3 SB-0262 MOTION PAGE 10 SB-0262 MOTION PAGE 25 SB-0263 RECALLED PAGE 6 SB-0263 THIRD READING PAGE 7 SUBJECT MATTER HOUSE TO ORDER - REPRESENTATIVE GIGLIO PAGE 1 PRAYER - FATHER TZORTZIS PAGE 1 PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE PAGE 1 ROLL CALL FOR ATTENDANCE PAGE 1 MESSAGE FROM SENATE PAGE 1 COMMITTEE REPORTS PAGE 2 RECESS PAGE 4 HOUSE RECONVENES - REPRESENTATIVE GIGLIO IN CHAIR PAGE 4 AGREED RESOLUTIONS PAGE 4 COMMITTEE REPORTS PAGE 26 ADJOURNMENT PAGE 26