Illinois House Floor Debate — May 3, 1985

"The hour of 12:00 having arrived, the House will now be in Session. The chaplain for today will be the Reverend Mark Kaley, Associate Pastor, First United Methodist Church of Springfield. Reverend Kaley is a guest of Representative Michael Curran. Will the guests in gallery please rise and join us in the invocation? Reverend."

"Let us pray. Sovereign Lord, eternal source of all of our life and breath and health, we give You thanks today as we join together as a Legislative Body. We are reminded that You are the author of life and that we are subject to Your authority, so we pray for a heart of wisdom today, that the things that we might present before this Body, might ultimately give You glory. We pray for strength and for guidance and we ask all these things in Your name and for Your sake. Amen."

"Representative Ropp will lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance to the flag. Representative Ropp."

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

"Roll Call for Attendance. The Clerk take the Roll. 116 Members having answered to the call of the quorum, a quorum is present. Mr. Piel, are there any absences on the Republican side?"

"Mr. Speaker, would the record show that Representative Harris is excused today, please?"

"Let the record so show. Mr. Matijevich, are there any absences on the Democratic side?"

"Yes, Mr. Speaker. Let the record reflect an excused absence for Representative Grace Mary Stern." 1  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day

"Let the record so reflect. May 3, 1985 Ladies and Gentlemen, both of the Conference Chairmen of both parties are seeking recognition now and I suspect we will be going to conference in the next few moments. However, I wanted to advise the Body that for... up to fifteen minutes after we return, you will be able to file Motions for discharge of committee or for Interim Study. If you are not sure that your Bill will be discharged, you might want to file both Motions. At that point, we will be publishing a Supplementary Calendar that will have Motions, supplementary Motions to discharge and Motions to put Bills into Interim Study. So that will be open for the Membership up to fifteen minutes after we return from our respective conferences. For what purpose does the Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Giglio, seek recognition?"

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, the Democrats would like to caucus for approximately a half hour in Room 114."

"Okay, yes, for what purpose does the Gentleman from Marion, Mr. Friedrich, seek recognition?"

"Mr. Speaker, I would like to request a Republican conference in Room 118 at 12:30, and I hope all Members will be prompt so... because we have a rather long agenda."

"Alright... alright, let us then make this determination. We will return here at 1:00. The Democrats will be conferencing in Room 114 as soon as possible, as soon as we recess. The Republican conference will begin in 118 at 12:30. Both will return to the floor at 1:00. 1:00. At that time, you will have fifteen minutes to file additional Motions. Accordingly, we are now in recess until the hour of 1:00 for the purposes of a Democratic and Republican conference allowing the Clerk five minutes for Perfunctory Session to read Messages from the Senate. For 2  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day May 3, 1985 what purpose does the Gentleman from Bureau, Mr. Mautino, seek recognition?"

"Point of inquiry, if I may, Mr. Speaker."

"Mr. Mautino, proceed."

"You mentioned that there would be a Supplemental Calendar for those individuals providing Motions fifteen minutes after the conferences are completed. Will there be a Supplemental Calendar for those Motions that were presented before 5:00 yesterday that do not appear in the Calendar today?"

"No, it's anyone who files a Motion. It's still time... there is still time to file a Motion, no matter when you lost your Bill in Committee."

"The difference is in the number of votes necessary for discharge as it pertains to yesterday's filing and today's filing, Sir."

"No, it does not. As long as it appears on a Supplemental Calendar, that's all you have to worry about. Yes, Ms. Alexander."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am going to put a Bill in Interim Study, but I would also like to make a statement with regard to a point of personal privilege at that time when we return to the floor."

"I will recognize you at that time."

"Thank you."

"In the meantime, the House is recessed for the purposes of Democratic and Republican conferences. Democrats, Room 114. Republicans, Room 118. The House stands in recess."

"... Representative Bullock, Chairman of the Committee on State Government Administration Regulatory Review, to which the following Bill was referred, action taken May 1, 1985, reported the same back with the 3  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day May 3, 1985 following recommendation: 'Do pass as amended House Bill 2002. Messages from the Senate. Message from the Senate by Mr. Wright, Secretary. Mr. Speaker, I am directed to inform the House of Representatives that the Speaker has adopted the following Senate Joint Resolution, the adoption of which I am instructed to ask concurrence of the House of Representatives, to wit, Senate Joint Resolution #46, adopted by the Senate May 3, 1985. Kenneth Wright, Secretary." Message from the Senate by Mr. Wright, Secretary. Mr. Speaker, I am directed to inform the House of Representatives that the Senate has adopted the following Senate Joint Resolution, the adoption of which I am instructed to ask concurrence of the House of Representatives, to wit; Senate Joint Resolution #49, adopted by the Senate May 3, 1985. Kenneth Wright, Secretary."

"The House will be in order. The House is called to order now. It's twenty-five minutes to two. The Clerk's here at the well will be open until ten minutes to two for Members to be allowed to file Motions to discharge and Motions to place in Interim Study. So you have until ten minutes until two to file those Motions in writing. Mr. Clerk, Committee Reports."

"Representative Currie, Chairman of the Committee on Select... Select Committee on World's Fair, to which the following Bill was referred, action taken May 3, 1985, reported the same back with the following recommendation: 'Interim Study Calendar House Bill 2463. Representative White, Chairman of the Committee on Human Services, to which the following Bills were referred, action taken April 30, 1985, reported the same back with the following recommendation; 'Interim Study Calendar House Bills 1307, 1542 and 1613." 4  34th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 3, 1985

"... On page 47 of the Calendar, Consent Calendar Third Reading. Mr. Clerk."

"Consent Calendar, Third Reading Second Day. House Bill 75, a Bill for an Act to amend the Code of Civil Procedure. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 257, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Income Tax Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 489, a Bill for an Act relating to criminal law. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 605, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 853, a Bill for an Act to amend the Probate Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1204, a Bill for an Act relating to the Director of Mental Health and Developmental Disabilities. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1212, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act in relation to the office of public defender. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1289, a Bill for an Act in relation to physical therapy. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1303, a Bill for an Act relating to the City of Alton concerning mineral rights. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1346, a Bill for an Act to amend the Criminal Code. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1385, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Public Aid Code. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1488 has been removed from the Consent Calendar. House Bill 1576, a Bill for an Act to amend the Code of Civil Procedure. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1860, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act in relation to notary publics. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1937 has been removed from the Consent Calendar."

"Question is, 'Shall these Bills pass?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. This is final action on the Consent Calendar. Mr. Clerk, take..." 5  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day May 3, 1985

"Misread one number. I read 1289. It's 1298, a Bill for an Act in relation to physical therapy. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Alright, on these Bills, there are 113 voting 'aye', none voting 'no', 1 voting 'present', and these Bills, having received the Constitutional Majority, are hereby declared passed. Mr. Bullock, for what purpose do you seek recognition, Sir?"

"Mr. Speaker, I rise to make an announcement."

"Proceed, Mr. Bullock."

"Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Assembly, inadvertently, yesterday I failed to make this announcement and I was unable to make it when we convened today, but the State Government Administration Committee, which is scheduled to meet next Wednesday, May 6, at 2:00 p. m... yesterday we did not file the appropriate posting notice and I wish to announce or request suspension of the appropriate rule in order that the subject matter for State Government Administration and Regulatory Review to continue with the Department of Public Health's salmonella crisis investigation and to consider 3xecutive Orders 8503 and 8504. I would like to request that suspension of the rule, Mr. Speaker."

"Yes, have you discussed this with the other... with the other side?"

"I have not, but I don't think there would be any objections. It's just an inadvertent error to meet the required guideline."

"Well, we'll get back to you in a short time. I think it might be a good idea, unless you know that. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading, on page thirty-one of the Calendar, Appropriations only, appears House Bill 370. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill." 6  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day Clerk O'Brien: appropriations. May 3, 1985 "House Bill 370, a Bill for an Act making certain This Bill has been read a second time previously. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

Clerk O'Brien "Floor Amendment #1, offered by Representative Leverenz, amends House Bill 370 on page..."

"Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Leverenz."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I wish to withdraw Amendment #1."

Speaker Greiman: "Amendment #1 is withdrawn. Further Amendments?"

Clerk O'Brien "Floor Amendment #2, offered by Representative Vinson, amends..."

"Gentleman from Clinton, Mr. Vinson. Gentleman from Dewitt, Mr. Vinson. We're not disturbing your lunch, Sam."

"No more than the quality of the hot dogs downstairs would provide for, Mr. Speaker. Thank you. My Amendment on House Bill 370, Amendment #2, is an Amendment which would delete extra funding requested of a supplemental nature for this year for the Guardianship and Advocacy Commission. I have no particular problem with the Guardianship and Advocacy Commission. I do have a problem when we are called upon to add twenty some additional positions in the process of a supplemental appropriation to an agency which currently has about a hundred people. That's a very substantial increase. A substantial increase... that might make sense if we were talking about a deliberative process for creating a new program in state government. We are not talking about some major new initiative. We are talking about a supplemental appropriation. Ladies and Gentlemen, two years ago this General Assembly was called upon to make certain very hard 7  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day decisions. As a to to May 3, 1985 fund and we We had the option of enacting a very substantial permanent income tax increase expand Illinois state government. We rejected that option. matter of fact, there wasn't anybody in this chamber who was substantially in favor of that idea. Instead, chose to enact a prudent and limited program solely for the purpose of getting us past a recessionary reduction in revenue. And we chose, instead of going a massive, large tax increase program permanently foisted off on the citizens of Illinois, to believe that we have sufficient resources for the long run to run state government and that by restricting the amount of taxation in this state, we could, in fact, encourage business, trigger the private sector to grow and to prosper, adequately provide for the needs of those who could not provide for themselves, but in the private sector create real opportunity and growth for Illinois. We have, in fact, as a result of that program, sustained tax revenues much greater than were predicted and I would argue that that's because we went to a program of incentives rather than a massive tax program. Mr. Speaker, we have to make a choice in the budgetary decisions this Assembly makes this spring as to whether we are going control the cost of state government so that we can live within our means or whether we are going to let the pressure inexorably build for another effort at a tax increase. I oppose that idea and I think that if we act prudently on each and every supplemental and regular appropriation Bill before this Assembly, that we can avoid a major tax increase for this state, that we can do the things necessary without a tax increase and that we can create in Illinois an opportunity state and not a welfare state. I urge an 'aye vote on the Amendment."

"The Gentleman from DeWitt, Mr. Vinson, moves 8  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day May 3, 1985 for the adoption of Amendment #2 to House Bill 370, and on that is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall this Amendment be adopted?' All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no". In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes have it and the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendment?"

Clerk O'Brien "Floor Amendment #3, offered by Representative Leverenz, amends House Bill 370..."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Leverenz, on Amendment #3."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I withdraw Amendment #3."

"Amendment #3 is withdrawn. Further Amendments?"

Clerk O'Brien "Floor Amendment #4, offered by Representative Leverenz."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Leverenz, on Amendment #4."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Amendment #4 provides an elimination of an appropriation to the State Treasurer, a request for $875,000, a supplemental appropriation for the estate tax collection distributive fund, and I would move for the adoption of Amendment #4."

"Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Leverenz, moves for the adoption of Amendment #4 to House Bill 370. Is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Piel."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Gentleman yield to a question, please?"

"Indicates he will yield for question."

"Just out of curiosity, seeing as this was already appropriated, is it a double appropriation? Is that the reason we are deleting it or is it a situation where these funds are no longer needed? I mean we are talking about a large sum that was appropriated before and I was just 9  34th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 3, 1985 wondering why we were taking it out."

"That is a very good question. The $875,000 is now sitting in Senate Bill 262 and we should not have it in two places."

"Thank you very much."

"Thank you. Further discussion? There being none. the question is, 'Shall Amendment #4 to House Bill 370 be adopted?' All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it and the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendment?"

Clerk O'Brien "Floor Amendment #5, offered by Representative Klemm, amends House Bill 370..."

"The Gentleman from McHenry, Mr. Klemm."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen..."

"Excuse me, Mr. Klemm. Let me just announce the two minute rule to the House. In two minutes, the well will be closed for the filing of Motions to discharge and for Interim Study... in order to prepare a Supplemental Calendar. Mr. Klemm, proceed."

"Thank you. House Amendment... or Amendment #5 to House Bill 370 appropriates that the State Comptroller, to pay a small claim for a small business that got caught in the shuffle of lapsed funds. This is a small business in my area that actually really needs some help. The claim is $18,000. The Court of Claims has already agreed with the claim, have signed off on it, and this would certainly be helpful to that. They don't have to wait until the end of September or October to get their monies that are justifiably due them. Just ask for your affirmative vote."

"Gentleman from McHenry, Mr. Klemm, has moved for the adoption of Amendment #5 to House Bill 370. On 10  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day May 3, 1985 that is there any discussion? There being none, the question is 'Shall this Amendment be adopted?' All in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it and Amendment #5 is adopted. Further Amendments?"

Clerk O'Brien "Floor Amendment #6, offered by Representative Mays, amends House Bill 370..."

"Gentleman from Adams, Mr. Mays, on Amendment #6."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Amendment #6 to House Bill 370 is a Court of Claims award Bill also very similar to the one just adopted. It's in the amount of $6800 roughly and I would ask for it's adoption."

"The Gentleman from Adams, Mr. Mays, moves for the adoption of Amendment 6 to House Bill 370, and on that is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall this Amendment be adopted?' All in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it and the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"

Clerk O'Brien "Floor Amendment #7, offered by Representative Barnes."

"The Lady from Cook, Ms. Barnes, on Amendment Barnes: #7." "Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Amendment #7 deals with approximately 1.5 million dollars for heavy duty equipment needed for projects at the 'Hennepin' Canal, Stump Lake, Pere Marquette, Twelve Mile Island and the Glades. And I would ask for a favorable Roll Call."

"The Lady from Cook, Ms. Barnes, moves for the adoption of Amendment #7 to House Bill 370, and on that, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 11  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day May 3, 1985 'Shall this Amendment pass?' All... 'Shall this Amendment be adopted?' All in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it and the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendment?"

Clerk O'Brien "No further Amendments,"

"Third Reading. The Lady from Cook, Ms. Barnes, moves to suspend the appropriate rules so that this Bill may be heard today on the Order of Third Reading, having been previously read as second time. Does the Lady have leave? Leave is granted. Mr. Clerk, Third Reading. Read the Bill."

Clerk O'Brien "House Bill 370, a Bill for an Act making certain appropriations. Third Reading of the Bill."

"The Lady from Cook, Ms. Barnes."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. House Bill 370 deals with supplemental appropriations and transfers for these different agencies; Department of Alcohol and Substance Abuse, Department of Mental Health, Department of Central Management Services, Department of Children and Family Services, Department of Corrections, Department of Employment Security, Department of Public Health, Guardian and Advocacy new staff, Historical Library, Pollution Control Board, State Labor Relations Board and State Treasurer. And, Mr. Speaker, both sides of the aisle have agreed to this Bill and I would ask for an 'aye' vote." Speaker Greiman; "The Lady from Cook, Ms. Barnes, moves for passage of House Bill 370, and on that, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is now open. This is final action. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question there are 112 voting 'aye', none voting 'no', 2 voting 'present', 12  34th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 3, 1985 and this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. The hour of 1:50 having arrived, the time is closed for the filing of Motions to discharge and Motions to place in Interim Study."

Speaker Madigan "Page forty-nine of the Calendar, on the Order of Motions, there appear several Motions, most of which relate to the discharge of Bills from Committee. It is the intent of the Chair to proceed numerically and after we have completed consideration of all these Motions, to adjourn. House Bill 135, Representative Currie."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. I would, first of all, appreciate it if I could have a Roll Call vote on this Motion. House Bill 135..."

Speaker Madigan "Representative Currie, there shall be Roll Call votes on all Motions."

"Wonderful."

Speaker Madigan "And Representative Madigan is in the Chair. Proceed."

"House Bill 135 had a hearing in House Executive Committee, but unfortunately, the Membership was few in number that afternoon and although it did receive a fair number of affirmative votes, there were really not enough people there to have provided it complete passage unless it had been a Bill without any controversy attached to it whatsoever. In fact, I suspect there might be some controversy attached to the Bill, although it's a good government reform issue that every Member in this chamber should support. The proposal is one that would ensure that there are not patronage practices in hiring and firing in Illinois state government. Surely all the Members of this Assembly are familiar with the "Shackman" decree, a decision by a Federal Court that says that local governments in Cook County may not take into account 13  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day patronage considerations, political May 3, 1985 considerations when they are hiring, promoting, or releasing public employees. In effect, that court decision says that public tax dollars should be used for public purposes to run the government, to provide local services, not to make for a patronage army whose purpose is political at heart. In order to protect against the potential of allegations, the potential of inappropriate practices in Illinois State Government, in this Department of Personnel, this Department of Central Management Services, especially at a time when we are looking forward to an election year, I think that passage of House Bill 135 would give not only us, but the citizens of this state adequate protection against a concern that perhaps public tax dollars are used for not public but basically political purposes. The provisions of House Bill 135 apply across the board to the Executive Branch and I move to discharge House Bill 135 from the Committee on the Executive."

Speaker Madigan "The Chairman of the Executive Committee, Representative Terzich."

"... Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. We did hear this Bill in Executive Committee. Unfortunately, it did not receive the record number of votes. At the same time that the Executive Committee did have the Bill posted for a second hearing at which time the Sponsor did not desire to have her Bill heard the second time and I would move that we go against this Motion for this..."

Speaker Madigan "Representative Alexander."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Before we went into caucus, I had asked for a point of personal priviledge at the point of Motions. May I proceed? On House Bill 1406, on Wednesday, May the Ist, was heard by the Income Tax Subcommittee of the House Revenue Committee. On a do 14  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day May 3, 1985 pass' Motion of 3, 2 and 1, the Bill moved for a Roll Call vote before the full Revenue Committee on Thurday, May the 2nd. However, on May 2nd, it was recommended that the Bill would pass by the full Committee. I am the Sponsor of House Bill 1406 and I had been informed prior to coming before the full Committee that no further testimony or comments could be made, that only the recommendation of the Subcommittee would be considered. I was present in the full Committee and before that Committee and on a 'do pass' Motion, House Bill 1406 received a Roll Call vote..."

Speaker Madigan "Representative Alexander, could I interrupt you for a second. We are on the Order of House Bill 135. You know that."

"Mr. Speaker?"

Speaker Madigan "Yes."

"I was not speaking to House Bill 135. Someone recognized me and I did not realize. I will wait until I'm given privilege on a point of personal privilege."

Speaker Madigan "I'm sorry. I'll plead guilty, okay? On the Order of House Bill 135, Representative Currie has moved to discharge the Executive Committee. The Chair of the Committee has stood in opposition to the Motion. Those in favor of the Motion will signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Please record yourselves. Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question, there are 25 'ayes', 83 'nos'. The Motion fails. The Chair recognizes Representative Alexander for the purpose of a point of personal privilege."

"Thank you. I'm so sorry of the other incident. The fact that the full House Revenue Committee has sent word to all Sponsors that they would receive no further testimony 15  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day May 3, 1985 or comments concerning Bills to be heard before the Committee precluded me, the Sponsor, from requesting a second Roll Call and most assuredly, it precluded me and denied me my rights to request before that Committee that my Bill be placed in Interim Study. So, therefore, I come before this honorable Body to ask leave to have House Bill 1406 placed in Interim Study."

Speaker Madigan "The request is that House Bill... Mr. Clerk, do you have the number? Was the Bill 1306? 1406. The request is that House Bill 1406 be placed on the Order of Interim Study. Is there leave? Leave is granted. On page forty-nine of the Calendar, House Bill 176, Mr. Bullock. Is Mr. Bullock in the chamber? House Bill 206, Mr. Cullerton. Mr. Cullerton."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I move to discharge the Transportation and Motor Vehicles Committee and advance to the Order of Second Reading House Bill 206. I believe there was a misunderstanding on this Bill when it was heard in the Transportation Committee. Unfortunately, it was heard the same day that Representative Vinson's Bill to repeal the seat belt law was heard and some people felt that this was a pro-seat belt Bill. All it does... It's not. All it does is to say that the local municipalities will do what the State Department of Transportation is going to do starting next January and that is to on the vehicle accident reports have a space on there where you can indicate whether or not certain safety features were in use or not. That's all the Bill does. I believe Representative Vinson is going to support my Motion and I would appreciate your support as well."

Speaker Madigan "The Gentleman has moved to discharge the Committee on Transportation. Mr. Ronan, do you wish to 16  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 3, 1985 34th Legislative Day speak to the Motion? The Chair of the Committee indicates he does not wish to speak to the Motion. Mr. Dunn. Representative Dunn."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Just to caution the Members, this is a foot in the door. If you are for the repeal of the recently enacted seat belt law, you better oppose this Motion to discharge."

Speaker Madigan "Representative Mays."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I would just simply say that this Bill received a fair and adequate hearing in Transportation Committee and if we want to bring back all those other things that we have considered over this past week, we could have our Calendar cluttered for the next two months. So, I would urge a 'no' vote."

Speaker Madigan "Mr. Cullerton has moved that the Committee on Transportation be discharged from further consideration of House Bill 206. Those in favor will signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question, there are 37 'ayes', 67 'nos'. The Motion fails. House Bill 239, Mr. Washington. Mr. Washington."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker. I move to discharge Labor and Commerce from further consideration and advance to Order of Second Reading, First Legislation Day because originally when this Bill came up, I had it continued to the following week and that particular day when it came up, I was in another Committee hearing other Members' Bills that were acted upon and I was unable to get to this Committee to hear this... have this Bill heard. So, it's a good piece of legislation that certainly, if it's had that opportunity to proceed through this Legislative Body, it will enable us to certainly expand on and creating more jobs and giving 17  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day May 3, 1985 business an opportunity to certainly increase this job market. So I urge certainly a favorable vote on this by my colleagues who have this Bill where it can be heard."

Speaker Madigan "The Gentleman has moved to discharge the Committee on Labor and Commerce from further consideration of House Bill 239. The Chair recognizes the Chairman of the Committee, Mr. Farley."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I would agree with the Gentleman's Motion to discharge the Committee. The Bill was heard the previous week. At that time, he indicated that he had an Amendment that he wanted to offer. He came into Committee ready to do that, however, he was not able to for certain reasons and I think that the Motion should carry, Mr. Speaker, and I would suggest an 'aye' vote on the Motion."

Speaker Madigan "Mr. Tuerk."

"Well, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, actually this Gentleman had a very fine hearing in Labor and Commerce. There was no problem about what the Bill purported to do. There was considerable conversation and debate relative to it. Relative to the Amendment, frankly, we knew nothing about that and that's beside the point. It had an adequate hearing. It was a bad concept then. It's a bad concept now. Even the Department of Labor and the AF of L - CIO is neutral on the matter. It actually conflicts with Civil Administrative Code. I see no reason to discharge Committee and get it out on the floor. I would hope that you would vote 'no' on the issue."

Speaker Madigan "Mr. Washington has moved to discharge the Committee on Labor and Commerce from further consideration of House Bill 239. His Motion is supported by the Chair of the Committee, but opposed by the Minority Spokesman on that Committee. Those in favor of the Motion will signify 18  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day May 3, 1985 by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question, there are 54 'ayes', 59 'nos'. The Motion fails. House Bill 312, Mr. Soliz."

"I want that out of the record, Mr. Speaker, please."

Speaker Madigan "You wish not to call the Bill?"

"Not to call the Bill. The Bill has already been reported favorably out of Committee."

Speaker Madigan "The Gentleman indicates... thank you. The Gentleman indicates he does not wish to call this Motion. House Bill 442, Representative Younge. Representative Wyvetter Younge."

"Mr. Speaker, I move to discharge the Human Services Committee from further consideration of House Bill 442. House Bill 442 would provide loans for ADC families to buy shares of cooperatives so that they can move from public dependence to gainful private employment."

Speaker Madigan "The Lady has moved to discharge the Committee on Human Services from further consideration of House Bill 442. On that question, the Chair recognizes the Chair of the Committee, Mr. White."

"Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, House Bill 442 was heard in Human Services Committee. However, after three and a half hours of handling about 98 Bills, the Members dissipated very quickly and there were not enough Members to vote the Bill out of the Committee."

Speaker Madigan "The question is, 'Shall the Committee on Human Services... for what purpose does Representative Wojcik seek recognition?"

"I would just like to state that Representative Younge was heard and this is not a good Bill and that I would not ask for its being taken off the floor. Thank you." 19  34th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE

Speaker Madigan "Mr. Cullerton." Cullerton: May 3, 1985 explained "Yes, I don't know if Representative Younge the right Bill. I think she may have explained a different Bill and it may help her in her Motion if she would double check that. The analysis indicates that this has to do with requiring case workers to have twelve hours of study in economics. Is that what..."

Speaker Madigan "Representative Younge."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Bill was amended in Committee and the subject matter of the Bill is not requiring case workers to have studies in economics, but to provide funds for ADC families to buy shares in cooperatives so they can move from..."

Speaker Madigan "Fine, so the Bill does provide what you said it provides?"

"That's correct."

Speaker Madigan "Thank you. Representative Wojcik, are you still seeking recognition?"

"Yes, I'd like to say actually the Bill is worse now with the Amendment."

Speaker Madigan "Okay. Representative Piel."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Would the Lady yield, please?"

Speaker Madigan "The Sponsor indicates she will yield."

"Could you give us a ballpark figure on what this would cost the taxpayers of Illinois, please?"

"I think the state ought to have a small demonstration to demonstrate that by providing loans that..."

"I just want to know the amount."

"Half a million dollars."

"Pardon me?"

"One half a million dollar..."

"Half a million dollars?"

"...demonstration would be sufficient to start with, 20  34th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 3, 1985 yes."

"Because I heard that there was an appropriation Bill for $15,000,000 to do the exact same thing. Is that correct?"

"It would be my intention to make that amount smaller."

"Thank you. I rest my case."

Speaker Madigan "The question is, 'Shall the Committee on Human Services be discharged from further consideration of House Bill 4422' Those in favor will signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question there are 45 'ayes', 58 'nos'. The Motion fails. House Bill 534, Mr. Huff. Mr. Huff."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker. I move to table my Motion in reference to 534."

Speaker Madigan "Mr. Huff, could we just withdraw the Motion? Just withdraw the Motion? Mr. Huff."

"I withdraw the order."

Speaker Madigan "Gentleman has withdrawn his Motion. Chair recognizes Mr. Bullock for the purpose of a Motion."

"Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Assembly, I'd like to move to suspend the posting rule for State Government Administration on May 6th of 1985. I cleared this Motion with the other side of the aisle. This Motion to suspend the appropriate rule for posting will allow the Committee to post accurately the subject matter for the Committee, which is the salmonella crisis and to also post Executive Orders 8503 and 8504."

Speaker Madigan "Is there leave? Leave is granted. On page fifty of the Calendar, House Bill 607, Mr. McGann. Mr. McGann,"

"Yes, Mr. Speaker. I wish to move to discharge the Committee, the World's Fair Committee on House Bill 607. 21  34th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 3, 1985 Members of the Assembly, I'm asking of this in hope of support to have the Committee discharged because I really did not have a fair hearing in regards to my Bill, House Bill 607, which would, hopefully, if there is going to be a World's Fair, provide, in either a satellite fashion or on the main location, a domed stadium as a residual of the World's Fair. There was not a quorum present for the vote and, therefore, I would ask that this be moved and placed on the Order of Second Reading. Thank you, Mr. Speaker."

Speaker Madigan "Chair recognizes the Chair of the Committee, Representative Currie."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. The Gentleman is right. There was not a quorum present at the point at which his Bill was voted. The Members of the chamber might like to look at the provisions of the Bill and consider how they choose to support or not support the Motion on House Bill 607."

"Mr. Bowman."

"Representative McGann, did I understand... I just want to understand what the Bill does. Did I understand you correctly to say that this would require the construction of a domed stadium and out of the funds made available to the World's Fair Authority?"

"That is... it would be done... it would be processed the same as for all of the building at the World's Fair and that would be through the bonds, state authorized bonds. It doesn't matter where it would be because under the new program and the new outlook for the World's Fair, they are asking for a sports complex and it might be in a satellite area, maybe on the west side of Chicago, on the southeast side, may not necessarily be in the main site, but this would be the residual that we would have."

"Okay, but the Bill does require a domed stadium to be 22  34th Legislative Day built?"

"If... If correct." STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 3, 1985 there is going to be a World's Fair, that's

"Thank you."

Speaker Madigan "Mr. Piel."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Gentleman yield?"

Speaker Madigan "The Sponsor indicates that he will yield." Piel:

"Representative McGann, seeing as this Bill is mandating the building of a domed stadium in the City of Chicago for the World's Fair, what is the cost to the World's Fair Authority going to be? I mean approximately what is this domed stadium going to cost?" Authorities, they "Well, according to the World's Fair are asking for a 80,000 seat stadium. I did... they have not indicated a cost as yet and I'm sure that they could not come up with a cost because we don't know if the World's Fair is going to take place. But from their judgment, they feel as though that it will generate $10,000,000 a year in sales tax and et cetera."

"No, the reason I asked the question is because every time we start talking about the World's Fair, we hear about more money wanting to be spent for this and that or the other thing, and you start talking about an 80,000 seat stadium, you know, obviously, the question would rise, "Well, what's going to be used in the stadium during the fair? What's going to be going in there afterwards,' especially when the majority of your... in fact, all your professional teams already have contracts to perform somewhere else. And I think that figure, as far as what it could... excuse me, I've got the floor... what it could produce for them, you know, might be a little bit high. But it would be very good to the Members here, if they are going to be voting on legislation, I mean, you are 23  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day May 3, 1985 obviously talking about millions of dollars to build an 80,000 seat stadium, especially... you know, if it suggests to them one thing, but when the Bill mandates that a stadium be built, it would be good if we knew exactly what this cost would possibly be."

"Representative, I'm asking... at this time, I'm not asking to have a vote on the legislation. I'm asking to have the Committee discharged so that we can put it on Second Reading. And I will assure you that I will obtain figures for you and the other Members of this General Assembly before I would call the Bill off of Second Reading."

"Yes, but I think in fairness to all Legislators from the north and the south end of the state, it would be good before we move to discharge Committee that we did know exactly what the cost of this thing would cost... would be. Thank you very much."

Speaker Madigan "Mr. Nash."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I rise in support of Representative McGann's Motion to discharge Committee. He's got a good idea and it should be heard by this full House. Thank you."

Speaker Madigan "Mr. Tuerk."

"Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, notwithstanding the merits or demerits of the concept, but the fact remains, this Bill was heard in Committee. I'm sure the Sponsor would say that there wasn't a quorum there during the voting and I'm sure that's true, but there was a quorum there at the time he started hearing the Bill and as a result, I would ask you to vote against the Motion to discharge."

Speaker Madigan "Mr. Levin."

"Yes, I would respectfully oppose the Motion to discharge. 24  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day May 3, 1985 First of all, I understand if there is a need for a vehicle, there already are two Bills that are on the floor on Second Reading that could deal with the issue. I don't think it's good policy to mandate this type of thing. Secondly, we are talking about taxpayer money, possibly from all over the state, going for a project which would just be in Chicago. And for the point of view of my constituents, my constituents do not want to pay taxpayer dollars to build a stadium to move the Chicago Cubs out of Wrigley Field. We want them to stay in Wrigley Field and play during the day time and so we opposed this."

Speaker Madigan "Mr. McAuliffe."

"I move the previous question."

Speaker Madigan "Mr. McAuliffe, I believe there is no need for the Motion so the Motion is withdrawn and we are prepared to proceed to the question, which is whether the Committee on the World's Fair should be discharged from further consideration of House Bill 607. Those in favor will signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question, there are 22 'ayes', 79 'nos'. The Motion fails. House Bill 636, Mr. Curran. Mr. Curran. Recognize Mr. Curran."

"Thank you. Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I move to discharge from the House Labor and Commerce Committee House Bill 636 and advance to the Order of Second Reading First Legislative Day. This Bill was passed last year from the House with a substantial margin. It is an important piece of legislation for public employees. We are working now on an agreement with the City of Chicago. All interested parties are working toward a compromise so that this legislation can go forth. The money has already been appropriated for it. This is an important Bill which 25  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day didn't quite get a chance to be heard in the and Commerce Committee. I understand May 3, 1985 House Labor there is no opposition from the City of Chicago and no opposition from the Chairman of the Labor and Commerce Committee. And I ask for... for a 'yes' vote."

Speaker Madigan "Chair recognizes the Chairman of the Committee, Mr. Farley."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, the Gentleman is absolutely correct. The Bill did not get a hearing Wednesday in Labor and Commerce due to some actions that took place that I'll not comment at this point on. But I would urge the support of the Gentleman's Motion. He stated it very correctly. This is an important issue. It did not get a hearing at any time this year in Labor and Commerce and I would support the Gentleman's Motion to discharge the Committee, Mr. Speaker."

Speaker Madigan "The Chair recognizes the Minority Spokesman, Mr. Tuerk."

"Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, what the Chairman of the Committee said was about a hundred and eighty degrees in the opposite direction. Actually, this Bill was referred to Committee early in March, had plenty of opportunity for a hearing. It never was called for a hearing. He did... the Sponsor never did show up and he said... the Chairman talks about the conduct that was in the Committee on Wednesday. If you want a little word about the conduct of the Committee on Wednesday, I can give you a chapter and verse about the disgraceful appearance of the Democrat Members and the way they handled the Committee on Wednesday and I'd vote... I'd oppose the Motion to discharge the Committee."

Speaker Madigan "Mr. McPike."

"Well, at the request of the business community and 26  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day May 3, 1985 Representative Tuerk, a special day was set aside so all their Bills could be heard. Last week I... or this week I reviewed the Bills with the Sponsor... with the Committee Chairman and we tried to hear as many Democratic Bills as we could because the Republicans had all their Bills heard last week. We simply ran out of time on this. The Speaker supports the discharge Motion and I support the discharge Motion. It's my understanding the Mayor of Chicago supports the discharge Motion. It's my understanding that the Governor of the State of Illinois thinks that we should continue moving this Bill so that we can negotiate it and reach an agreed solution. So, I think the Bill should be heard on the floor."

Speaker Madigan "Mr. Mays."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I have supported this Bill. In the last Session, I was outspoken in my support for the Bill. However, in view of the opportunities that the Sponsor had that was not availed to the Republicans in that Committee on their own Committee Bills, I will also rise in opposition to this Motion."

Speaker Madigan "Representative Braun."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I rise in support of this Motion. As I understand it, this is... the issue that is involved with this legislation is presently being discussed and negotiated. This is a very important issue for the entire State of Illinois and ought... and deserves our full consideration. And so, in that regard, I urge your support of the Motion."

Speaker Madigan "Representative Didrickson."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House, just a point of clarification, with regards to that business day we had a week ago Wednesday for Labor and Commerce. Actually, the 27  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day May 3, 1985 good business Bills for the good business climate of the State of Illinois and for the good economic development issues that we all ought to be talking about, indeed, those good business Bills were never even heard because of the quorum call. There wasn't a quorum there, and, in fact, our colleagues on the other side of the aisle had left and walked out. And I would just like to clarify that for the record."

Speaker Madigan "Representative Curran, to close."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. With all due respect to the Minority Spokesman, a Gentleman I have a great deal of respect for, Fred, I was in the room three different times that day. You may not have seen me. I didn't come up and tap you on the shoulder, but I was sitting at the desk. I sat down next... also next to the Chairman. I attempted three times. There just wasn't the time of the day for them... for the Bill to be heard. I attempted three times to get it heard. So, I was in the room. This Bill has been agreed upon by the City of Chicago, I believe, by the Governor, who has already agreed to the appropriation. It's been agreed upon by the Speaker, by the Minority... Majority Leader and by the Committee Chairman. And I ask for a favorable Roll Call."

Speaker Madigan "The question is, 'Shall the Committee on Labor and Commerce be discharged from further consideration of House Bill 636?' Those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question there are 72 'ayes', 41 'nos'. The Motion carries. House Bill 750, Representative Koehler."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I move to discharge from the Executive Committee 28  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day May 3, 1985 House Bill 750, which amends the Compensation Review Board legislation. It was heard in Executive Committee and it came very close, but because of various conflicts of several Members there, unfortunately, we were not able to pass the legislation out of Committee. So... but the legislation itself would do three things if adopted. It would cause the Compensation Review Board Committee Report to be advisory in nature. It would separate the report for the Judiciary and Executive Branch from that of the Legislative Branch and it would cause the recommendations to be put into the form of a Bill and then voted upon by the General Assembly and sent to the Governor. And I have opposed the Compensation Review Board process because I believe that a group of unelected individuals should not have the ability to issue a report that has the force of law. Unelected appointees are not accountable to the citizens of Illinois and they are a threat to representative government, and I am not alone in my opposition to this particular concept. In fact, Mr. George Lewis, who was Chairman of the 1970 Constitutional Convention Committee that wrote the legislative article testified in favor of House Bill 750 before the Executive Committee."

"Representative Koehler, excuse me for one second. For what purpose does Mr. Wolf seek recognition?"

"A Point of Order, Mr. Chairman. I believe the Representative is addressing the Bill rather than the Motion."

Speaker Madigan "Mr. Greiman, would you come to the podium? Representative Koehler, proceed. And Representative Greiman in the Chair."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I was saying, Mr. George Lewis testified that the Committee that wrote the 29  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day May 3, 1985 legislative article said that it was important that the Legislature pass a law by a law, that the Legislature have responsibility for passing anything that was sent through the Executive, that it be done by law. He went on to further say that perhaps we didn't realize the innovative nature of a legislative Body, but then to be actually able to pass a law by deferring it to the Commission is something, I assure you, was not envisioned by the Legislative Committee."

Speaker Greiman "Ms. Koehler, address the... bring your... address the Motion, please."

"Well, thank you. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will close by saying to you that I would... I would ask you to seriously consider... seriously consider bypassing the Executive Committee of this particular piece of legislation. It is a piece of legislation that would be a very good alternative to the current method by which the Compensation Review Board is being addressed. It has a great deal of public support and I hope that you will join with me in discharging House Bill 750."

Speaker Greiman "The Lady from Marshall moves that House Bill 750 be discharged from the Executive Committee, and on that is there any discussion? The Chairman of the Executive Committee, Mr. Terzich."

"Mr. Speaker, Members of the House, the Executive Committee heard this Bill quite thoroughly, TV cameras and everything else. We listened to it for approximately the same speech, at least a half hour that was given very serious deliberation. The Bill did not receive the adequate number of votes and certainly had a fair hearing on the Bill. And I certainly would object to the Executive Committee being discharged because this Bill did receive... they had eight votes and there were a number of 'no' votes 30  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day on May 3, 1985 the Bill, and therefore, I would suggest that we do not discharge the Executive Committee. The Bill had its day in court and it didn't get out."

Speaker Greiman "Further discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Nash: Mr. Nash." "Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I concur with Chairman Terzich's remarks. This Bill did receive a fair hearing in the Committee. It went down and I urge a 'no' vote on this Motion."

Speaker Greiman "No further discussion? The Lady from Marshall, Koehler: to close." House. I "Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the appreciate the hearing of my Motion, as I have appreciated the opportunity to air my differences on this piece of legislation previously. Thank you for your indulgence."

Speaker Greiman "Question is, 'Shall House Bill 750 be discharged from the Executive Committee?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed 'no'. Voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question there are 46 voting 'aye', 60 voting 'no', 1 voting 'present' and the Motion fails. Order of Motions appears House Bill 876, Ms. Pullen."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 876 amends the Industrial Home Work Act to allow people in cottage industries to make toys and dolls and such things as that. It was before the House Committee on Labor and Commerce this week and I was in that Committee room for the last hour or so of the Committee's proceedings and the Committee lost its quorum as my Bill was being called. So, I did not have an opportunity to have my Bill considered by the Committee. I believe that 31  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day May 3, 1985 it's an important Bill for this House to consider because it would give elderly people and women with small children and just anybody who wants to the opportunity to work in their homes doing such a wholesome activity as making toys and dolls, which is now prohibited, unbelievably, by our statutes. I hope that you will vote to discharge this Bill so that we can consider it in the House since we were not able to consider it in Committee. Thank you."

Speaker Greiman "The Lady from Cook, Ms. Pullen, moves to discharge House Bill 876 from the Committee on Labor and Commerce. Is there any discussion? The Chairman, Mr. Farley." Farley: At "Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I would oppose the Lady's Motion to discharge this Bill from Labor and Commerce. I did call the Bill. She was present. the time that I called the Bill, the Minority Spokeman, at that point, called for a quorum call, at which time took precedence over any other Order of Business and I had the Clerk proceed with the quorum call. After that call, there weren't sufficient Members establish a quorum and the Committee did not, in fact, exist. We adjourned. I know there were comments made about Republican Bills being called and Democratic Bills being called both last week and this week. Last week, as the I Leadership on both sides know, as well as the business and labor community knows, I, as Chairman, accommodated those people, especially on the other side of the aisle, who had a lot of management Bills, to accommodate them, which did here on the House floor, by running a meeting from 2:00 until whenever they wanted, all of those Bills that they thought were important to be called called. I turned to the Minority Spokesman and and stated him that he should let all of his Members know that they should to 32  34th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 3, 1985 contact the Chair and let those Bills be posted so that we could call them on that particular day. The Chair and the Committee was willing to run from 2:00 a week ago Wednesday until 12:00 midnight, if that's what it took, to have those Bills called. I think it's wrong for the Spokesman to state that the Chair has not been absolutely fair in calling all Sponsors Bills that were requested to be called. I also don't think that we have set aside any kind of Republican day or Democratic day in the Labor and Commerce Committee. A week ago Wednesday, we called Democratic Bills, as well as Republican Bills. This past Wednesday, we did call Republican Bills, as well as Democratic Bills. So, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I wanted to make those statements and coming back to my opposition to the Motion, I will again state I did call the Lady's Bill. There was a quorum call. At that time, there were not sufficient Members and I, therefore, gave her an opportunity to have the Bill called because I did call it. I had... I gave her an opportunity to have it heard because I did call it. And for that reason, Mr. Speaker, I would oppose the Lady's Motion."

Speaker Greiman "Gentleman from Peoria, Mr. Tuerk."

"Well, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, what the Chairman of this Committee says is about half true. Many of the things he says... Many of the things he says in debate are... absolutely factual. He did schedule some Republican Bills a couple of weeks ago. We heard those Bills. But let me tell you one thing, do you know how many Democrats were in the Committee that day? Yeah, two. Sometimes maybe three if we were fortunate. So, do you think those Bills got a fair hearing on both sides of the aisle? Absolutely not. This Wednesday when he decided he would spend the first hour and a half to two hours calling 33  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day May 3, 1985 Democrat Bills, which he did, and Mr. Regan, a freshman from our side of the aisle, sat up at the witness table for about two hours, hoping that his Bills would be called. No, they weren't called until I took the spot at the witness table with the urging that he would call those Bills. He didn't do that until the final hour, final half hour, final ten minutes of the Committee. Actually, what this Sponsor of this Bill is saying is absolutely right. At the time that she called the Bill or it was called by the Chairman, there was no quorum there. There was opportunity to get a fair hearing on this Bill, and what he says is true. I asked, at that point, for a quorum call because any Bill that comes before any Committee should have the opportunity for a fair hearing. I think the conduct of the Democrats that day was atrocious. I'11 continue to say that. I think it was an affront to the Republicans. It was an affront to the Democrats, an affront to the whole process, an affront to the whole State of Illinois. And as a result, this Bill ought to be discharged and get a fair hearing."

"Gentlemen from Will, Mr. Regan."

"Mr. Speaker, I did not mind sitting there for an hour and forty-five minutes. I witnessed the most beautiful, well-oiled machine and I learned a lot that day. Thank you very much, Mr. Farley."

"Further discussion? There being none, Ms. Pullen, to close. Excuse me. Mr. Panayotovich, were you seeking recognition?"

"Yes, Sir."

"Mr. Panayotovich."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise also in opposition to this Motion. What everybody has been hearing here should be also noted that the day that Representative Tuerk 34  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day May 3, 1985 called for the quorum Roll Call, we had four Democrats in the room at that time. If there had been enough Republicans there to listen to the Bill, we could have voted on it and there would have been a quorum, so I think that, as I made the statement that day, it was too bad that so many Republicans did have to leave and did leave that they couldn't hear their own Bills. And I rise in opposition to this Motion."

"Mr. Panayotovich, your light switch did not go on the board so if you are going to seek recognition further in the afternoon, make sure that you let the Chair know. Mr. Mays, Gentleman from Adam."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I am sure that anyone that was present, and I specifically want to thank Representatives McGann and Turner for staying around. Outside of the Chair and the Vice-Chair, they were the only two that even had the concern to listen to some of the Republican Bills, but they, indeed, should be able to verify that this Bill did not have a call, that this Bill, indeed, partisan politics aside, on it's own merits, should receive a hearing before each and every Member of the House. And so I would like to... you know, while I have my feelings about the aberration that occurred in Labor and Commerce Committee for the last two Wednesdays, I believe that this Bill, in and of itself, on its own merits ought to be considered by the full chamber. So, I would rise in support of the Lady's Motion."

"No further discussion? Ms. Pullen, to close."

"You know, I'm glad that we have given everyone such a wonderful opportunity to discuss what's been happening in the Labor and Commerce Committee. This Bill isn't a management Bill. How could it be heard on a management 35  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day reserve day? It's not a management Bill. It's not a May 3, 1985 workers' comp Bill. It's not an unemployment insurance Bill. It's a little guys Bill. It's a Bill to allow people to... well, it is. It's a Bill to allow people to do such heavy things as making toys and dolls in their homes which I find to be totally incredulous... incredible that it is illegal now. It's a Bill for the people of Illinois, for the people in your districts, an awful lot of them have cottage industries and an awful lot of them are operating illegally now and don't even know it. I don't want them to find it out when the sheriff comes to their door. There was not a quorum in the Committee at the time that the Chairman called upon me. I appreciate his having recognized me in the Committee, but there wasn't a quorum to hear the Bill. So, I had no opportunity to hear the Bill and I'd like to have the opportunity on the floor. You can vote against it then if you want. I mean, what's the big threat? I would appreciate an 'aye' vote to discharge the Bill. This is one of those rare situations where I think it is really warranted. Thank you."

"Question is, 'Shall House Bill 876 be discharged from the Committee on Labor and Commerce?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed 'no'. Voting is now open. Representative McPike, the Gentleman from Madison, to explain his vote."

"I think one of the reasons that all the Members left was because we were hearing at the same time the salmonella hearings where fifteen thousand people have been contaminated with salmonella and the irony of this Bill is that it removes the authority of the Department of Labor to prohibit industrial home work in an industry where it finds such work to be injurious to the health and welfare of the public and it removes the processing of food and drink from 36  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day the list of things that the prohibit. Department May 3, 1985 of Labor can Here it is at the same time we are trying find out why fifteen thousand people have been contaminated by milk, the Lady wants to remove the authority from the Department of Labor to even protect the safety of the public. No wonder people left the Committee."

"Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question there are 52 voting 'aye', 54 voting 'no', 4 voting 'present', and the Motion fails. Representative Madigan in the Chair."

"House Bill 958, Mr. Shaw. Mr. Shaw."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker. I move to place the Bill in Interim Study."

"Gentleman requests leave that this Bill be placed on the Order of Interim Study. Is there leave? Leave is granted. House Bill 1020, Mr. Sutker. The Gentleman withdraws his Motion. House Bill 1073, Mr. Hartke. The Gentleman withdraws his Motion. House Bill 1205, Mr. Bullock. The Gentleman requests that we pass over this Bill. House Bill 1238, Representative Wyvetter Younge."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. House Bill 1238 amends the Illinois Housing Development Act and requires the Illinois Housing Development Authority to issue a hundred million dollars worth of bonds for delinquent mortgages. This Bill had two hearings in Committee. It received an adequate number of votes on the second hearing, but it was improperly posted. Because it would have successfully cleared the Committee, had it been properly posted, I ask this Body to please agree with me that the Committee will be discharged and the matter be placed on Second Reading."

"Representative Kirkland." 37  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. May 3, 1985 The fact of the matter is it was not posted on Friday and it was an illegal hearing and this is also a... and on Tuesday, this Bill received a fair hearing. It did not get enough votes. It's also a bad Bill and we received testimony to that regard from a representative of the Illinois Housing Development Authority in the hearing. So, this should not pass."

"Representative Bowman."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I rise in support of the Lady's Motion. You know, we hear very often in these debates the same problem over and over again. You know, there wasn't a quorum present or something like that. This situation is unique in that the Bill did actually receive an adequate number of votes, but the posting... was not proper. Accidents will happen and I believe that this Bill should be debated on the floor of the House and we should not let an accident like that stand in the way of a full and fair debate. I support the Lady's Motion."

"Mr. Piel."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I sympathize with the Lady, but you have got to understand what the situation is. She is the Chairman of the Committee and she improperly posted her own Bill. But let's look at the... the effects of the Bill. The Bill you are talking about right now we... if this Bill goes through, we are talking about another hundred million dollars in bonding authority, a hundred million. The Authority even stood up and opposed the Bill. That would raise their authority to 1.8 billion dollars in bonding authority. It's not a situation where we are talking about new bonding authority, but she is talking about another hundred million dollars. The Authority already has bonding 38  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day May 3, 1985 authority. They stood up. They opposed the Bill and I would ask for a 'no' vote on 1238, please."

"Representative Alexander."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I acted in lieu of the Chairman of the Committee, Wyvetter Younge. The Bill actually did receive enough votes to pass out of that Committee. The prior day, it was held over on a recess and through a posting error, as stated by the Chairperson of the Committee, the Bill was not posted. And I stand in support of this Body discharging so that the Bill can be properly heard."

"The question is, 'Shall the Committee on Urban Redevelopment be discharged from further consideration of House Bill 1238?' Those in favor shall signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Davis."

"If this should get the requisite 60 votes, I'd like to verify the Roll Call, Mr. Speaker."

"Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. Clerk shall poll the absentees."

"Poll of the Absentees. DeJaegher, Dunn. Flinn. Harris. Mautino. Stern. Zwick. No further."

"Mr. Mautino."

"Mr. Speaker, I'm happy to support the Motion of the Chairman to override her own Committee."

"Mr. Leverenz."

"In support of the Chairman to override her own Committee, I will, too, vote 'aye'."

"Mr. DeJaegher."

"Mr. Speaker, would you record me as 'aye', please?"

"Mr. Dunn. Record Mr. Dunn as 'aye'. Record Mr. Van Duyne as 'aye'. Record Mr. Hartke as 'aye'. Mr. 39  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day May 3, 1985 Clerk, can you give me the count? Mr. Clerk, would you change Mr. McNamara from 'no' to 'aye'? On this question there are 62 'aye' and 50 'no'. There was a request for verification by Mr. Davis. Do you persist in your request, Mr. Davis?"

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, I do and you know we are going to hit one sooner or later and we might as well do it now for the record. But the reason I persist is simply that this Committee screwed up its postings twice last week. This Bill dropped of the Calendar on Tuesday, was voted out and reported to the Clerk's Office on Thursday and was... the cavalier manner in which the Chairman handled the Bill indicates to me a total lack of any kind of thought process for the process as it is. And I don't think she should use it to do something she could have done on Tuesday, did not do. and then illegally did on Thursday and got caught with her finger in the cookie jar. And I just think we are going to... we are going to do it."

"Representative Younge."

"I certainly think that that is improper. I think that it is wrong. It is not true. I made an error on Thursday, there was no error on Tuesday and to suggest that there was something improper about this proceeding is totally wrong and uncalled for. And I resent that."

"Representative Braun."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I think it's a sad commentary. We all have interests and we all have issues and we all have Bills, but we should not get into a situation in which we start taking issue personally with any Member's conduct regarding legislation before this House. And I think an apology is due."

"Mr. Clerk, would you proceed to read those 40  34th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 3, 1985 1600, Representative Didrickson."

"Mr. Speaker, I would like to withdraw the discharge Motion."

"The Lady indicates that she does not wish to call the Motion. House Bill 1601, Mr. Kubik."

"Mr. Speaker, I'd like to withdraw the discharge Motion."

"The Gentleman indicates that he wishes not to call his Motion. House Bill 1602, Mr. McCracken. The Gentleman indicates he does not wish to call his Motion. House Bill 1603, Representative Oblinger. The Lady indicates she does not wish to call her Motion. House Bill 1604, Mr. Vinson."

"Mr. Speaker.."

"You wish to advocate?"

"I beg your pardon? To marry the woman I love. I yield to Mr. Ronan."

"Oh. Mr. Ronan."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As chief Sponsor of House Bill 1604, with Representative Ryder, I move to discharge the Committee on Judiciary. We didn't receive a fair hearing in that Committee, as it's very difficult to receive a fair hearing in that Committee, and we would like to discharge the Committee. Hove the Bill to Second Reading."

"Representative Dunn, the Chairman of the Committee, wishes not to... Mr. Dunn."

"Well, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I don't know what the outcome is, but for the record I would like to indicate that I do think the... the Bills that are under consideration now did receive courteous and prompt attention in the House Judiciary I Committee. There was only one request for posting, That request was honored. There was a request for a time certain to hear the Bills. That request was honored. It was the next... It was 44  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day May 3, 1985 yesterday, the next to the last day before deadline. No time constrictions were placed upon either proponents or opponents. All witnesses were heard on all the issues. All the Bills were called. All the Bills were voted upon. And the proponents and opponents of this entire package of legislation received every courtesy that the Committee could extend to us. So proper consideration was given to this legislation in Committee."

"Mr. Johnson."

"As the Minority Spokesman on Judiciary I, I think everybody would agree for the last two years these issues have been aired fairly and fully. And I... I think Representative Ronan would acknowledge that as well. I think it's important to have discussions on an important subject matter available for all of us. And reluctantly, and with a terrific amount of respect for not only the old Sponsor but both the new Sponsors, I think a constructive package will emerge as the next month or two go along. And for those reasons, I would urge a 'yes' vote, and hopefully all sides involved can work something that will be best, not only for doctors, and lawyers and injured people, but for all the people in Illinois."

"Supplemental Calendars I and II are now being distributed."

"Mr. Cullerton."

"Will the Sponsor yield?"

"The Sponsor indicates that he will yield. Mr. Ronan."

"Representative Ronan, the printout indicates that Representative Vinson is the principal Sponsor of this Bill. Have you substituted your name for Representative Vinson as the principal Sponsor of this Bill?"

"Yes, I have Representative Cullerton. Representative 45  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day May 3, 1985 Vinson's withdrawn his name as principal Sponsor. I'm hyphenated Cosponsor with the distinguished Member on the other side of the aisle, Representative Ryder."

"Right. Have you... And do you understand that there's... this Bill has been the subject matter of negotiations between the Medical Society and certain Bar Associations? Is that correct?"

"Of course, Representative, it's my Bill."

"And... Right. And is... Is there some form of an agreement now in your mind between these two groups to allow this Bill to be discharged?"

"Representative Cullerton, I'm looking forward to seeing 118 green votes on the board so we can proceed ahead typical of most of my legislation. So..."

"Well, I appreciate the humor, of course, but I just want to make sure that I know whether or not you..."

"We... We've had negotiations, Representative Cullerton. It's interesting that you have negotiations about negotiations. And at this point, we're done negotiating about the negotiations, and we're going to proceed ahead to come up to... with a solution to this most significant problem affecting the people of the State of Illinois."

"Mr. Ryder."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Aside from the jokes and comments of my colleague, Representative Ronan, which I've grown to appreciate, I would like to second some of the words that have been issued concerning the Committee hearing. I'm not going to indicate or insult the intelligence or the integrity of that Committee by indicating that the Committee did not give a most attentive and a considerate opportunity for these issues to be heard. I would indicate to you that the conversation, dialogue and discussion concerned not the Bill that we're speaking of 46  34th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 3, 1985 today, but the Bill presented by Representative Cullerton which was sponsored by various Bar Associations. We're not here because there was not a hearing. We're here because this issue is so important that this entire Body should vote on it. This issue is so important that it touches the lives of each and everyone of our constituents. And it is because of that importance that we need to have it open and in the air and so that it can continue to be discussed. Moreover, there was a Bill that was passed yesterday, was not a Bill that was sponsored by myself, nor was it sponsored by Representative Ronan, and... nor was it supported by the Medical Societies and the other groups who supported the Bills that we're talking about today. But in order to have a fair playing field, in order to have an opportunity for both sides to set down at a table and negotiate with fairness and equity, which is exactly what I intend to do with this Bill, I think that we need to discharge this Bill. We need to have this Bill on the table so that all parties, in fairness and with equity, can set and work out a problem that is nonpartisan, a problem that should not have political overtones; but a problem that's to the very best benefit and good will of all of the people of Illinois. Thank you."

"Mr. McPike."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Some months ago the Speaker of the House convened both sides in this dispute, the Trial Lawyers and the Illinois Medical Society, and asked them to sit down and see if they could resolve their differences, just as we have resolved ten to fifteen major issues in the last two years. These negotiations have been serious and ongoing. As of yesterday, there was major movement by both sides. At this time, there are less than three issues and probably 47  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day May 3, 1985 two major issues left unresolved. We believe that as the intent of this Legislature by supporting this discharge Motion that we are directing both of these groups to continue to meet and negotiate in good faith so that we can get a compromise that will address all of the issues and yet be fair and equitable to both sides. So on behalf of the Speaker, I would ask all Members of the... Democratic side to support the Motion to discharge with the understanding that the two hyphenated Sponsors of the Bill intend to pressure both interest groups to continue the negotiations so that ve can reach a solution to this problem."

"Mr. Huff."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, very simply and very realistically, there's a great exodus going on in this state. People are leaving this state by the thousands, and if we don't want the doctors to become one of those numbers, I suggest that every lawyer cover his ass and vote the right vote."

"The question is, 'Shall the Committee on Judiciary I be discharged from further consideration of House Bill 1604?' Those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question, there are 115 'aye', no one voting 'no'. The Motion carries. Mr. Bullock."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. On the Motion Calendar, I have a Motion, House Bill 1205. Mr. Speaker, I'm requesting leave to withdraw that Motion. I've been assured by Representative Ronan and Ryder that the content of House Bill 1205, which is very important to many members of the State of Illinois, will be included in the negotiation process. And with that 48  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day May 3, 1985 voting in the affirmative? Will the Members please be in their seats to facilitate the verification? Proceed, Mr. Clerk."

"Poll of the Affirmative. Alexander. Berrios. Bowman. Braun. Breslin. Brookins."

"For what purpose does Mr. Shaw seek recognition?"

"Could I have leave to be verified? I want to meet with the group in the gallery from my district, Mr. Speaker. St. Peter and Paul."

"Mr. Davis. Leave to be verified for Mr. Shaw. Mr. Huff, same request? Leave for Mr. Huff to be verified. Leave for Mr. Panayotovich to be verified. Mr. Clerk, proceed."

"Continuing with the Poll of the Affirmative. Brunsvold. Bullock. Capparelli. Christensen. Cullerton. Curran. Currie. DeJaegher. DeLeo. Dunn. Farley.. Flowers. Giglio. Giorgi. Greiman. Hannig. Hartke. Hicks. Homer. Huff. Keane. Krska. Kulas. Laurino. LeFlore."

"For what purpose does Mr. McNamara seek recognition? Leave is granted for Mr. McNamara to be verified. Proceed, Mr. Clerk."

"Leverenz. Levin. Matijevich. Mautino. McGann. McNamara. McPike. Nash. O'Connell. Panayotovich. Pangle. Phelps. Rea. Rice. Richmond. Ronan. Saltsman. Satterthwaite. Shaw. Soliz. Steczo. Sutker. Terzich. Turner. Van Duyne. Vitek. Washington. White. Wolf. Anthony Young. Wyvetter Younge."

"Mr. Clerk, what is the beginning count? 62 *ayes'... Mr. Davis or Mr. Churchill, do you have any questions?"

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, I do. We're starting with 62, I 41  34th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE understand. Is that correct?"

"Yes."

"Representative Krska."

"Mr. Krska. Remove Mr. Krska."

"Representative Berrios."

"Mr. Berrios is in the aisle."

"Representative Ronan." May 3, 1985

"Mr. Ronan is in the well." "Represent... in the tank. Representative Curran."

"Mr. Curran is at his chair."

"Representative Terzich."

"Mr. Terzich is at his chair."

"Representative Laurino."

"Mr. Laurino. Mr. Laurino. Remove Mr. Laurino from the Roll Call. Mr. Preston has requested that his vote be changed to 'aye'. Mr. Clerk."

"Representative DeLeo."

"Mr. DeLeo. Is Mr. DeLeo in the chamber? Remove Mr. DeLeo."

"Representative Farley.".

"Mr. Farley is in the front of the chamber."

"Representative Christensen."

"Mr. Christensen is in his chair."

"Representative Nash."

"Mr. Nash. Is Mr. Nash in the chamber? Remove Mr. Nash."

"No further inquiries, Mr. Chairman... Mr. Speaker."

"Are there any further changes? Mr. Clerk, what's the count? On this question, there are 59 voting 'aye', 50 voting 'no'. The Motion fails. House Bill 1275, Mr. Hartke. The Gentleman indicates he does not wish to call his Motion. House Bill 1409, Mr. Homer."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen. House 42  34th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 3, 1985 Bill 1409 was a Bill assigned to the Insurance Committee. When that Bill was called, there was a Motion made 'do not pass'. That was followed by a substitute 'do pass' Motion which failed. I then moved to place the Bill on Interim Study. But an interpretation of the Chair was that the Bill had had two Roll Calls and, therefore, was not eligible for Interim Study. I, therefore, would ask for a Motion to discharge 1409, with the assurance that my very next Motion will be to ask leave to place the Bill on Interim Study."

"Mr. Tate. Mr. Tate."

"Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I'd like to just stand in agreement with Representative Homer. The Bill did receive a hearing; however, given the magnitude of the issue, I... I think it would be... the Sponsor should be given the opportunity to have this Bill placed on Interim Study on Second Reading."

"Mr. Laurino."

"Mr. Speaker, to House Bill 1409, it's my understanding that Mr. Homer did receive a fair hearing, but there was a little complications and misunderstanding from the Committee and the Sponsor with also the industry. The Bill does have merit. I suggest that we do discharge, and Mr. Homer suggests that it's going to go into Interim Study for further work. So I support his Motion."

"The Gentleman has moved to discharge the Committee on Insurance from further consideration of House Bill 1409. His Motion is supported by the Chairman of the Committee. Those in favor will signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question, there are 110 'aye', 2 voting 'no'. The Motion carries. House Bill 43  STATE OF ILL LINOIS 84tb th GENERAL AS ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRES ESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day May 3, 1985 understanding, Mr. Speaker, I see no need to proceed with this Motion to discharge House Bill 1205 and request that it be withdrawn."

"Since, at this time, the Chair would recognize Μτ... Με. Bullock... I was distracted. What is your Motion without the explanation?"

"Mr. Speaker, you're most gracious to give me an opportunity to repeat it, and I won't. I would like to withdraw a Motion on House Bill 1205,"

"Good. The Gentleman indicates he does not wish On page 50 of the Calendar, to call his Motion. appears House Bill 680, Mr. Klemm." there

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I move that House Bill 680 be discharged from Human Services Committee and placed in the Interim Study Calendar of that Committee."

"The Gentleman..."

"House Bill 680 to be placed in the Committee Interim Study."

"The Gentleman reguests leave that House Bill 680 be placed on the Order of Interim Study. Is there leave? Leave is granted. The Chair recognizes Representative Hyvetter Younge."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'd like leave to put House Bill 1238 in Interim Study. And I wanted meeting of the Urban Redevelopment Committee at 2 o'clock on this coming Tuesday in 122 b, and our... the subject matter is the Illinois Housing Development Authority." to announce a

"Leave... Leave is granted. For what purpose does Mr. O'Connell seek recognition?"

"Mr. Speaker, for leave to place two Bills in Interim Study."

"Proceed, Mr. O'Connell."

"House BIll 415 and House Bill 1158," 49  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day

"Is there leave? Leave is granted. of the Calendar, there appears House Bill 1605, Mr. McAuliffe. The Gentleman indicates he does not wish to call his Motion. House Bill 1606, Mr. Wait. Mr. Wait. The Gentleman indicates he does not wish to call his Motion. House Bill 1607, Mr. Churchill. The Gentleman indicates he does not wish to call his Motion. House Bill 1608, Mr. Tate. The Gentleman indicates he does not wish to call his Motion. House Bill 1609, Mr. Ryder. Mr. Ryder, 1609. The Gentleman indicates he does not wish to call his Motion. House Bill 1681, Mr. Keane. The Gentleman indicates that he does not wish to call his Motion. Mr... and the Gentleman indicates he does not wish to call his Motion on House Bill 1682. House Bill 1744, Representative Barnes. Recognize Representative Barnes."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I would like to make a Motion to have House Bill 1744 moved from the Calendar and be heard."

"The Lady moves to discharge the Committee on Elementary and Secondary Education from further consideration of House Bill 1744. The Chair recognizes Mr. Mulcahey."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Members of the House, regarding House Bill 1744, it's my understanding that there was never even a request to have this Bill posted in the Committee. There was no movement towards the Bill. The Lady made no indication that she even wanted it heard, and I would object to the Motion."

"The question is... The Chair recognizes Mr. Brunsvold."

"The Lady's Motion is directed to... Is this a busing Bill?"

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, it is." 50  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day

"Thank you." May 3, 1985

"The question is, 'Shall the House Bill 1744 be discharged from the Committee on Elementary and Secondary Education?' Those in favor will signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Chair recognizes Mr. Hoffman."

"If this gets the requisite number of votes, I would call for a verification."

"Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. Mr. Clerk... Mr. Clerk, would you read the absentees?"

"Poll of the Absentees. Bullock. Harris. McNamara. Pangle. Stern and Zwick."

"Mr. Clerk, what is the count? On this question, there are 59 'aye', 53 'no', and the Motion... Motion fails. House Bill 1754, Mr. O'Connell. Mr. O'Connell."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This Bill was in the transportation Committee. Myself and, I believe, Representative Cowlishaw were the last two Representatives to present Bills. I had two Bills, one which was an administration Bill and this Bill, and we had about five minutes left to present both my Bills and Representative Cowlishaw's. I went with the administration Bill. This Bill, I feel, deserves a hearing on the floor of the House because it deals with the cost of dealer license plates. And I just, with respect, request that it be given a chance to heard on the floor."

"The question is, 'Shall the Committee on Transportation be discharged from further consideration of House Bill 1754?' Those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? 51  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day May 3, 1985 Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question, there are 39 'aye', 54 'no', and the Motion fails. House Bill 1902, Mr. Daniels."

"I think we took care of that, Sir. I think it's already on the floor on Second Reading."

"Thank you."

"We had a... It was a good hearing."

"House Bill 1922, Mr. Kulas. Mr. Kulas."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would move to discharge the Energy, Environment and Natural Resources Committee on House Bill 1922. The Bill is Representative Vinson's Bill 1922. There was a mix-up in signals, and I would ask that this Bill be placed on the Order of Second Reading."

"The Gentleman moves that the Committee on Energy and Environment be discharged from further consideration of House Bill 1922. The Gentleman is the Chairman of the Committee. Those in favor will signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question, there are 100 'aye', 8 voting 'no'. The Motion carries. House Bill 2050, Representative Braun. Representative Braun."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'd like leave to have this Bill placed in Interim Study."

"Is there leave? Leave is granted. House Bill 2086, Mr. Vinson. Mr. Vinson."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the Assembly, House Bill 2086, I was unable to call in the Committee on Revenue, primarily for the reason that I was involved in attempting to negotiate an understanding between the trial lawyers and the doctors in regard to medical malpractice. I can promise Members of Committees 52  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day May 3, 1985 that Representative Ronan will now be doing that, and I will be handling his Bills and my Bills in Committees. This Bill is an important Bill which will have the effect of placing Illinois law in compliance with recent Federal Court decisions and will also have the effect of not putting us in the position of subsidizing the production of beer and alcoholic beverages. I would urge an 'aye' vote on the Motion to discharge."

"The Chair recognizes the Chairman of the Committee, Mr. Keane."

"I would rise in opposition to this Motion. The Revenue Committee had Subcommittee... extensive Subcommittee meetings. We allowed Members of the Subcommittee to handle other people's Bills. This Bill deletes the action or... knocks off the action that we had a few years ago. The thing is going to... The tax break is going to fall in 1986 because that's the way it was written, and there's absolutely no need for the Bill. And I, therefore, resist the Motion."

"Mr. Flinn."

"Well, thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'm absolutely amazed at Representative Vinson for trying... for even introducing a Bill like this. The Bill was sponsored by the Metro East Legislators and specifically former Representative Steele, myself, and Younge, and all of those down in the area to try to encourage the last two breweries to stay in Illinois. It didn't work in the one in Peoria and so Pabst closed the brewery. But what did happen was that we were able, along with the help of this... of the original Bill, to put about 300 employees back to work at the old 'Stag' brewery; and it was on the promise that the tax abatement program would last through 1986. Now it's not 1986 yet. Our promise is still good in my opinion. In the first 53  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day May 3, 1985 place, it is terrible for someone to go back on their promise, which this Bill does. It's also terrible to do this to 'Heilman' brewery, who on the strength of the word of this House, that they would get the tax abatement at least through 1986. But even worse than that, worse than both of those put together, is the image it creates for the State of Illinois. You can't trust us. We'll go back on our word. We won't keep our word. I'm telling you that the Thompson 'Build Illinois' Program ought to be called tear down Illinois. That's what this Bill does. I think it ought to be soundly defeated... the Motion soundly defeated."

"The question is, 'Shall House Bill 2086 be discharged from the Committee on Revenue?' Those in favor will signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question, there are 21 'aye', 33 voting 'no'. The Motion fails. House Bill 2186, Representative Braun."

"Mr. Speaker, I'd like leave to place in Interim Study House Bill 2186, 2222, 2223 and 2224."

"Is there leave? Leave is granted. House Bill 2256, Mr. Vinson."

"Mr. Speaker, I'm going to withdraw that Motion because I discovered that Representative Keane has a similar Bill on the floor which can accomplish the purposes I want to accomplish."

"The Gentleman withdraws his Motion. House Bill 2299, Mr. Vinson."

"That Bill's already on the floor, and so I withdraw that Motion."

"House Bill 2320, Mr. Mulcahey. Mr. Mulcahey."

"Please withdraw the Motion, Mr. Speaker."

"The Gentleman indicates he does not wish to 54  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day call his Motion. May 3, 1985 House Bill 2401, Representative Braun."

"Mr. Speaker, I'd like to place in Interim Study 22... 2331, 2332,"

"Representative, where are you on the Calendar?"

"Already... I'm sorry."

"I had just called House Bill 2401. It's on the regular Calendar."

"Oh, I'm sorry. I'm looking at a different Calendar."

"Okay. So..."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker..."

"Well..."

"I would like to go with 2401."

"Fine. Representative Braun."

"Mr. Speaker, this was a Bill before the Elementary... House Elementary and Secondary Education Committee. There was in... insufficient time to have the legislation fully... we heard and insufficient attendance in the Committee at the time, and I ask leave to... I, thereby, move to have it discharged from that Committee for consideration on the floor."

"The Chair recognizes the Chair of the Committee, Mr. Mulcahey."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. I'm not quite sure as what the time elements were when that Bill was heard, but it was heard. We gave it the fairest possible hearing possible. And we all know, of course, it is a property tax increase for the City of Chicago, and I would object to the Lady's Motion."

"The question is, 'Shall the Committee...' Mr. Vinson."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Assembly, I rise in opposition to the Lady's Motion. My understanding of the Bill is that it's a nonreferendum tax 55  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day increase. May 3, 1985 And beyond that, the Chicago Park District is one of the best park districts in the country, and I believe that it can adequately provide playground facilities for the people of the City of Chicago."

"Representative Braun to close."

"Mr. Speaker, on second thought, I think I'd like to put this into Interim Study as well."

"Is there leave? Leave is granted."

"Thank you."

"House Bill 2463, Representative Braun. Representative Braun, House Bill 2463."

"Mr. Speaker, I'd also like leave for Interim Study for 2463."

"Is there leave? Leave is granted. We shall now proceed to Supplemental Calendar #1. On the Order of Motions, House Bill 32, Mr. Terzich."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I would like to make a Motion to discharge the Revenue Committee and take House Bill 32 out of the Interim Study and, you know, put it in place on the Order of Second Reading. The Bill did not have a chance to be heard in the Revenue Committee due to the load of the Committee, and I would move that we discharge the Revenue Committee and place it on Second Reading."

"For what purpose does Representative Braun seek recognition?"

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There may have been a problem. I just asked to have 2463 put in Interim Study. The board, however, at the time showed 2464, and I don't know which... I don't want any confusion."

"So let the record show that... that House Bill 2463 was placed on the Order of Interim Study and not House Bill 2464. And Mr. Terzich has moved to discharge the 56  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day Revenue Keane: May 3, 1985 Committee from further consideration of House Bill 32. On that question, the Chair recognizes the Chairman of the Committee, Mr. Keane." "Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Gentleman is right. He asked me for... if he could... if his Bill would get another vote today. I forgot. When we were in... I don't like the Bill, but I... I did not give him the vote that I told him we would have in... in Committee today, and I forgot to ask for... ask the Committee to vote on it and, therefore, I'd have to agree with the Gentleman."

"Mr. Woodyard."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise in opposition to the Gentleman's Motion. And if any of you have taken the time to look at a synopsis of what this Bill does, it is a tax credit Bill for insulating homes. And it certainly would be a very detrimental Bill in my opinion, and so for that reason, I certainly do oppose the Gentleman's Motion."

"Mr. Terzich."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, contrary to Mr. Woodyard, I'm asking for a discharge. I didn't ask him for a vote on the Bill. I'm just asking for a discharge of the Committee, because I... I did not have it heard or the vote taken on it. And contrary to what he says... that the Bill is good piece of legislation, otherwise it wouldn't be in, and I would hope I would get the support of the house and move to discharge Committee."

"The Gentleman has moved to discharge the Committee on Revenue from further consideration of House Bill 32. Those in favor will signify by voting 'aye'. Those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question, there are 51 'aye', 50 'no'. Mr. Terzich." 57  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day May 3, 1985

"Well, Mr. Speaker, we'll just let it go at that. 1..."

"The Motion fails. House Bill 482, Mr. Nash. The Gentleman indicates he does not wish to call his Motion. House Bill 645, Mr. Giglio. Mr. Giglio."

"Mr. Speaker... Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 645 did have a hearing in the Subcommittee in Revenue, and... although it was... wasn't heard on the days that we really wanted to have the witnesses down. My hyphenated Cosponsor, Representative Wojcik, was not able to help out, and then when it went to the full Committee, I think they were a little mixed up. They kept referring to me as Representative Giorgi, Representative Giorgi. It's a very important Bill, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Assembly. It deals with the... Las Vegas night and smoker night festivities when people want it for noncharitable organization. So I would ask, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, to discharge from the Revenue Committee and place on the Order of Second Reading."

"The Chair recognizes the Chairman of the Committee, Mr. Keane."

"I rise in opposition to the Gentleman's Motion. The Bill was... He's correct. The Bill was given a full hearing. It's unfortunate that we mistook you for the other Leader, but we... the Bill did not deal with that. It dealt with... We looked at the substance and voted on that. We've seen this Bill before. It's a bad Bill, and I think we ought to defeat the Motion."

"Mr. Woodyard."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Representative, you don't even look like Representative Giorgi. I also rise in opposition to the Bill, basically for the reasons that Representative Keane has mentioned. It did receive a very 58  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day May 3, 1985 fair hearing, and it did not receive the required number of votes in Committee."

"Representative Wojcik."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House, I would like to speak to the Bill and explain the reason that we are asking for this. In the western local, we're having a problem with Las Vegas nights with fraternal organizations. Our municipalities can't have Las Vegas nights. The JC's cannot have Las Vegas nights. The Elk, the Rotary, Optomists, any fraternal organization cannot have a Las Vegas night because they stand the chance of being raided. This is a proposal that has come out of shear frustration for some of these fraternal organizations. It's necessary to have. They do not have any other way to raise funds, so I would ask you to help us in support by bringing... to discharge this Motion. Thank..."

"Representative Giorgi... Strike that. Representative Giglio moves that the..."

"You're even confused, Mr. Speaker."

"...Committee on Revenue be discharged from further consideration of House Bill 645. Let the record show that both the Chairman and the Minority Spokesman have stood in opposition to Representative Giglio, but that they attempted to help him in the Committee by referring to him as Representative Giorgi. Those in favor vote 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question, there are 83 'ayes', 24 'no'. The Motion carries. House Bill 776, Mr. Bowman."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. For several weeks I've tried to work with all the Members of the Committee to try and find some Amendments that would be appropriate and that delayed consideration of 59  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day May 3, 1985 the Bill until I could... until the last couple of weeks. And I appeared to the Committee four times, most recently this last night when it failed to meet because of the medical malpractice hearings in the other Committee carried on so long. And this morning the Committee was adjourned at 9:30 to make time for the other Judiciary Committee to meet in its place. I did the best I could to get it called in time, and failing that, I am moving to discharge."

"Mr. Cullerton."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. The Gentleman is correct. Because of the great number of Bills that were introduced and assigned to the Judiciary II Committee, we were unable to hear all of them, and this is one of those Bills that did not get a hearing. And I would support the Gentleman's Motion."

"The Gentleman moves to discharge the Committee on Judiciary II from further consideration of House Bill 776. The Chair recognizes Mr. McCracken."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'm the Spokesman or the Minority Spokesman of that Committee, and I agree that we did not have an opportunity to hear the Bill. But unlike many other Committees, there are many Bills that were not heard by this Committee, at least five or seven of which were my own, which I placed into Interim Study. Representative Cullerton placed some of his Bills into Interim Study. The mere press of business in the... in the Criminal Judiciary Committee, unlike some others, created many situations where Bills went to Interim Study without a hearing. If you look at this Bill, I think you would conclude that it's an unwise Bill, unnecessary, and that the cause of action, which it purports to create is already recognized in the law and is unnecessary. And I oppose the Motion." 60  STATE OF ILLINOIS 34th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day

"Mr. Ropp." May 3, 1985

"Yes, Sir, Mr. Speaker and Members of the Body, I would just like to call your attention to the fact that many of these Bills had to be introduced back in January and February with a number of 776 and others that preceded. Certainly there were adequate times for all these Bills to be heard. It did not necessarily have to be held until the very last day."

"The question is, 'Shall the Committee on Judiciary II be discharged from further consideration of House Bill 776?' Those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question, there are 43 'ayes', 57 'no'. The Motion fails. House Bill 917, Mr. McCracken."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This Bill was heard in Judiciary I. It immediately preceded the medical malpractice hearing yesterday afternoon and was set... was given a special time for a hearing at my request, and.... which was graciously acceded to by Representative Dunn. However, the hearing itself was very short. I was unable to present both of my witnesses. And this is a Bill of major importance. This is a major prolife Bill, which is necessitated by a recent Illinois Court decision which gives a cause of action against a doctor for a parent who claims that but for the advise of testing procedures, a handicapped child born would have been aborted. Essentially this is the wrongful life Bill. I asked for a second hearing today. I was told that if there was time I could get that second hearing. There was not time. I should emphasize that Chairman Dunn did not call any Bill for a second hearing, not just this Bill; however, we ran out of time for a second consideration of this matter. I 61  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day May 3, 1985 respectfully request that the Committee be discharged and that this be placed on the Order of Second Reading."

"The Chair recognizes the Chairman of the Committee, Mr. Dunn."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I appreciate the previous Speaker's courteous remarks. We did set this Bill at a special time and did try our best to accommodate the hearing on this Bill, which immediately preceded the hearing on the medical malpractice Bills. What I would like to point out to the Membership with regard to the legislation are two things. First of all, I don't have the Roll Call in front of me, but it only received a handful of votes in Committee, and there was full attendance. Everybody was there because the next Order of Business was medical malpractice. I believe it received five affirmative votes. Secondly, what this Bill does, as I understand it, is... is tell the treating physician that there is no need to provide information, to provide knowledge and background about the possibility of... of tests, because if the tests present an unpleasant picture to an... a pregnant women, she may, depending upon her philosophy, choose to consider an abortion. I'm prolife. I don't support abortion, but I... I do believe that people make the best decisions all the way through life if they have all the facts. Anything which encourages the facts to be put in the background, to be kept from a person, in my view, is not good legislation, and I would urge the defeat of this Motion."

"Mr. Johnson."

"As the Minority Spokesman on the Judiciary I Committee, I think Representative McCracken would concede that he received a... a fair hearing. His witnesses were heard, and all the various aspects of this... of this important 62  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day May 3, 1985 Bill were considered. Lest any Member of this General Assembly think this is a prolife Roll Call, I would point out that myself, Representative Dunn, Representative Hawkinson, Representative Breslin, all of whom have an exemplary record in the area of prolife legislation - as a matter of fact, I think have been consistently supported and endorsed by that organization - oppose this Bill. There are ramifications and nuances in this Bill that extend way, way beyond the prolife arena. And with all due respect to my good, good friend, Representative McCracken, this is a Bill that needs a lot more discussion, but it shouldn't be in a Committee of the Whole. This is a Bill that was introduced at some point, called for a hearing, got a fair hearing, but it ought to have a summer of careful examination. And... And I would urge people to vote to not only uphold the dignity of the Committee system, but also to take away labels prolife, prochoice, anything else. This is a very complex Bill, and it ought not to be one that we turn 118 people into the Judiciary Committee. I urge a 'no' vote."

"The question is, 'Shall the Committee on Judiciary I be discharged from further consideration of House Bill 917?' Those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. ... voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question, there are 27 'ayes', 64 'no'. The Motion fails. House Bill 952, Mr. Hicks."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I move to discharge from Elementary and Secondary Education House Bill 952. 952 addresses the School Code and authorizes the use of school districts 1983 assessed valuation in determining 1984 - '85 state aid, when that school district has less than 15% of the 1982 AV formula 63  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day May 3, 1985 to all the Members of the floor an article from Chicago... Magazine outlining the problems of how front corporations are bidding and retaining certification on contracts that should be set aside for minority and female enterprises. This is not a problem that just affects the City. It greatly affects the State Department of Transportation. The Bill was given to me by the Department of Transportation; because do to the fact that so many federal funds are received by the Department, there are federal guidelines as to the number... the amount of female participation and minority participation required by the State Department of Transportation. When these front firms fraudulently obtain contracts that rightfully were set aside for minority and females, they lower the quotas and could conceivably cause the state to lose federal dollars. Therefore, I respectfully request that we move this to Second Reading so that it could be heard by the floor."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Young, moves that the House discharge Judiciary II from further consideration On House Bill 1018, And on that, is there any discussion? The Chairman of Judiciary II, the Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Cullerton."

"Yes, I would rise to support the Gentleman's Motion. I have no opposition to the Bill, which deals with the Minority and Female Business Enterprise Act. But as he indicated, we just had so many Bills, we were not able to... to get to this one. And he was a Member of the Committee, and yet we... we still couldn't get to it. So I would ask for an 'aye' vote on the Motion."

"Further discussion? The Gentleman from DuPage, Mr. McCracken."

"Same argument as last time. I have some in Interim Study as well. So does Representative Cullerton. So does 65  34th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 3, 1985 every Member of the Committee. There are a lot of vehicles out there if he wants to put it out on Second Reading, but lets not discharge it."

"Further discussion? Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Soliz."

"I'd like... I rise in support of the Motion to discharge. This Bill is a Bill that's extremely important to the Department of Transportation. At the present time, there are millions of dollars in contract... contracts that are awarded to contractors, supposedly minority contractors, supposedly women contractors, but many of them are fronts. And the law, at the present time, has no teeth to be able to enforce the... this particular statute. This particular statute is very similar to a law that presently exists in Pennsylvania and other states, and I ask support for this piece of legislation. It's very important that we discharge this Bill from Committee."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Huff."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In the interest of brevity, I think it suffices to say that I support this Motion. But I would remind this Body that to continue to resist this Motion would imply erroneously, in my opinion, that this Body condones deceptive and fraudulent practices."

"Further discussion? Mr. Young to close."

"I respectfully request that the Members put this important issue before the Body."

"The question is, 'Shall the House discharge Judiciary II Committee from further consideration of House Bill 1018?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 104 voting 'aye', 1 voting 'no', none voting 'present'. And the House does 66  34th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 3, 1985 discharge House Bill 1018 from further consideration of the Judiciary II Committee. Supplemental Calendar #1, on Order of Motions, appears House Bill 1093, Mr. Young."

"With thanks to the House, I will request that 1093 and 1096 go in Interim Study."

"The Gentleman asks leave to place House Bills 1093 and 1096 in Interim Study. Does the Gentleman have leave? Leave is hereby granted. Supplemental Calendar #2, Order of Motions, appears... I'm sorry. Supplemental Calendar #1 appears House Bill 1322, Mr. Keane. I would... Take it out of the record. Supplemental Calendar #1, Order of Motions, appears House Bill 1392, Mr. Cullerton."

"Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This Bill... Let me give the background. Last year we passed a Bill dealing with the Parentage Act. That Bill went to a Conference Committee, and the Conference Committee inadvertently left out two paragraphs. And so those two paragraphs didn't become law. This Bill puts those two paragraphs back in. It does nothing more than that. We did consider another Bill in Judiciary I that put those two paragraphs in but also did some other substantive things. And we... We didn't vote on that, and we didn't vote on this Bill because we were going to do it later on when the Committee had a chance. The Committee never had a chance to vote on this particular Bill. And I've checked with Representative Johnson and he has no opposition to having the Bill discharged. So I vote for..."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Cullerton, moves to discharge House Bill 1392 from Judiciary I. Is there any discussion? The Gentleman from DuPage, Mr. McCracken."

"I have no objection to this being discharged. Mr. Cullerton's correct. We did discuss the related Bill; 67  34th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 3, 1985 however, the related Bill was voted on and defeated. And I hope that he doesn't use this to... Alright. So no Amendments on this Bill, I support the Motion."

"The question is, 'Shall the House discharge House Bill 1392 from the... from the Committee on... from Judiciary I Committee?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 108 voting 'aye', 2 voting 'no', none voting 'present'. And the House does discharge House Bill 1392 from Committee... Judiciary I Committee. Supplemental Calendar #1, on the Order of Motions, appears House Bill 1404. Is that... Mr. Young."

"We can put... Mr. Chairman (sic - Speaker), we can put 1404 in Interim Study with leave of the House."

"The Gentleman from Cook asks leave of the House to place House Bill 1404 in Interim Study. The Gentleman have leave? Leave is granted, and the Bill is in Interim Study. On the Order of Motions appears House Bill 1407, Ms. Alexander."

"Thank you, Mr. Chairman (sic - Speaker). I would like to move to discharge Elementary and Secondary Education and advance to the Order of Second Reading House Bill 1407. I had a hearing in this Committee; however, at the time of my hearing five Members of the Majority Party was (sic - were) absent at that time, and I request that I be granted leave to... this Motion be granted."

"The Lady from Cook, Ms. Alexander, moves to discharge House Bill 1407 from the Committee on Elementary and Secondary Education. On that, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall the House discharge House Bill 1407 from the Committee on 68  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day Elementary... and Secondary Education?" May 3, 1985 All in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 25 voting 'aye', 73 voting 'no', 5 voting 'present', and the Motions fails. On the Order of Motions appears House Bill 14... Yes, for what purpose does the Lady from Cook, Ms. Alexander, seek recognition?"

"Sorry. Thank you, very kindly."

"On the Order of Motions appears House Bill 1453, Mr. Hicks."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 1453, I move to discharge from Elementary and Secondary Education. House Bill 1453 would amend the Local Government Tax Collection Act. It's the same Bill that... It's similar to the Bill we had last year where we took the interest earn dollars from any entity within a county and allow it go to the jail fund. I'm simply saying in this Bill that the dollars that were supposed to... the interest dollars that were supposed to go to education now, instead of going to the jail fund, would go into the superintendent's budget. I don't think school dollars ought to be going to the county jail fund. I think they ought to be going into a school budget, and I'd ask for a favorable Motion."

"The Gentleman from Jefferson moves to discharge House Bill 1453 from the Committee on Elementary and Secondary Education. And on that, is there any discussion? The Lady from DuPage, Ms. Cowlishaw."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, Representative Mulcahey and I are in support of this Motion. Thank you very much." 69  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day May 3, 1985

"Further discussion? Being none, the question is, 'Shall the House discharge House Bill 1453 from further consideration by the House Committee on Elementary and Secondary Education?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 100 voting 'aye', 3 voting 'no', 1 voting 'present', and the Motion carries. On the Order of Motions appears House Bill 1617, Mr. Dunn, the Gentleman from Macon."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This Bill just fell one vote short in Select Committee on Economic Development. All this Bill does is provide for a little division in the Department of Commerce and Community Affairs that will lobby for defense contracts in... in Washington. As we know, we're low on the totem pole for defense contracts. We need somebody out there to lobby. This would give them a weapon in their arsenal to bring those weapons contracts back home, and I would like to have this Bill out on Second Reading."

"The Gentleman from Macon, Mr. Dunn, moves to discharge House Bill 1617 from the Committee on Economic Development. And on that, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Knox, Mr. Hawkinson."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'm the Minority Spokesman on Economic Development. This Bill did receive a fair hearing... I'll be... it short in Committee yesterday, and it did fall short. There will be other ways to address this important question, and I would recommend that we not discharge Committee."

"The question is, 'Shall the House discharge House Bill 1617 from the Committee on Economic Development?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', 70  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day May 3, 1985 those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is now open. Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 27... 28 voting 'aye', 69 voting 'no', 3 voting 'present', and the Motion fails. On the Order of Motions appears House Bill 1674, Mr. Turner, the Gentleman from Cook."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have found other vehicles, and so I request the Chair... I request the Chair to move House Bill 1674, House Bill 1711 on which the rain storm was brought, and House Bill 1883 to Interim Study."

"The Motion's withdrawn. Oh, I'm sorry. Yes, leave... leave for the Bill to go to Interim Study? Alright, the Gentleman asks leave for 1674 to be committed to the... to Interim Study. Does the Gentleman have leave? The Gentleman has leave. 1674, 1711 and 1883, the Gentleman has leave. On the Order of House... of Motions appears House Bill 1730, Mr. Mautino."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. House Bill 1730 was heard in the Judiciary I Committee. I received four favorable votes, two opposed and four present. I did not have time for the second call because of the medical malpractice and other Bills that were up before Judiciary I. Some of the Members of that Committee had informed me that they were con... reconsidering their position and would like to have the opportunity to vote on that question as well, which was the 'Doyle versus Rose' decision as it pertains to workers compensation and the previous provisions under our law before the Supreme Court decision on that case. And I ask to have that heard here on the House floor. So, therefore, I move to discharge the Judiciary I Committee on House Bill 1730."

"The Gentleman from Bureau moves to discharge House Bill 1730 from Judiciary I. And on that, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Lake, Mr. Churchill," 71  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I just want to May 3, 1985 arise and just tell the Members on my side of the aisle that this is an important issue, and I would appreciate their support for Representative Mautino's Motion."

"Mr. Dunn, were you seeking recognition? The question is, 'Shall the House discharge House Bill 1730 from the Committee... from Judiciary I? All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 82 voting 'aye', 17 voting 'no', 2 voting 'present'. The Motion carries. On the Order of Motions appears House Bill 1968, Mr. Tuerk. Mr. Tuerk. Mr. Tuerk withdraws his Motion on House Bill 1968. Cullerton, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"

"Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'd ask leave to put House Bill 776 on Interim Study."

"Yes, Mr. Vinson, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"

"I was distracted by Representative Bowman, and I did not hear the contents of the Gentleman's Motion. And I think it may be what... something that I don't like. Could you have him repeat his Motion please?"

"Mr. Cullerton, you mean? Mr. Cullerton, would you repeat your Motion?"

"I can't imagine there being any opposition. I asked leave to put a Bill in Interim Study."

"What was the Bill?"

"776."

"Yeah, that was Rep... the Bill Representative Bowman was talking to me about at the time. I oppose the Gentleman's Motion, Mr. Speaker. I oppose the Gentleman's Motion because what that does is to say that there should be a 72  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day May 3, 1985 breath of life left in House Bill 776. I don't think any Member in this chamber, who just cast a vote to kill that Bill, wants to permit any breath of life to remain in... in that concept. I think people ought to look at what 776 does and vote against the Motion to keep it alive for another year."

"On the Motion, Mr. Bowman."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I think what we're talking about here is simple... a matter of legislative courtesy. In all the time I've served in the General Assembly, which is now approaching a decade, I cannot recall a situation in which a Sponsor was denied the right to put his Bill in the Interim Study. I think we have a... what amounts to a common law right here. And this... the issue is not 776. The issue is legislative courtesy, and I would ask all Members of this House to extend that courtesy to me, even if Representative Vinson is not willing to do so."

"Further discussion? There being none, Mr. Cullerton... Yes, Ms. Pullen, were you seeking recognition?"

"It's alright."

"Mr. Cullerton to close."

"Yes, I would move that we put House Bill 776 in Interim Study. You know, we've been spending in the last couple weeks putting Bills in Interim Study. And I think most Committee Chairmen, who have asked for leave, have in many cases have... in most cases they didn't like the Bill. That's why Bills are going to Interim Study. It's a courtesy to allow a witness to... or a Sponsor to put a Bill in Interim Study. And I really think this is unfair to Representative Bowman, and I think that we should keep in mind that if we are going to start doing this maybe we 73  34th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 3, 1985 should scrutinize all of these Interim Study requests. And then we can start getting very picky with people. And the worst that could happen is that there'd be a hearing, an actual hearing, you know, with witnesses coming in and testifying as to what the Bill does, and why it's wrong. And I think that's the least we could do for him. So I would ask that you support my Motion."

"The question is, 'Shall House Bill 776 be committed to Interim Study?' All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it... Mr. Vinson, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"

"To request a Roll Call."

"Certainly. All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 72 voting 'aye', 29 voting 'no', 1 voting 'present', and the Motion carries. Supplemental Calendar #1, Motions, House Bill 2105, Mr. Terzich."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I move to discharge Judiciary II. House Bill 2105 simply provides that a charge of aggravated battery involving the use of a firearm by a minor at least fifteen years of age would be prosecuted under the Criminal Code. At the present time, they are prosecuted for rape, murder and armed robbery. And this Bill simply would state that if they use a firearm and it does bodily harm that aggravated battery would also be included. And I would make a Motion that we move to discharge Committee."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Terzich, moves to discharge House Bill 2105 from Judiciary II. And on that, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. 74  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day Cullerton." May 3, 1985

"Yes, he is correct that we did not have a hearing on this. I think he asked Representative O'Connell to handle the Bill for him in Committee, and I don't believe we had a chance to get to it. I can't recall whether or not there were any witness slips on this. All I can... All I do recall when we passed the Bill dealing with letting juveniles be tried as adults that it was the position of the State's Attorneys' Office that they would not be in favor of this particular Bill. I don't know that they were there to file a witness slip to that affect. All I can say is that I'm going to vote 'no', because I don't like the Bill, but he did not have a hearing."

"Further discussion? The question is, 'Shall the House discharge 21... House Bill 2105 from Judiciary II?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 80 voting 'aye', 8 voting 'no', 5 voting 'present', and the House does discharge House Bill 2105 from Judiciary II. On the Order of House... Motions appears House Bill 2177, Mr. Terzich,"

"Well, this is the one that everyone's been waiting for. House Bill 2177 is a prolife Bill. And a prolife... I mean, if you're a prolifer, you'll vote for the discharge, if you're not, you won't vote. And it applies that only when you have a married couple that the wife is in an advanced stage of pregnancy and when the child could survive if born prematurely, and the wife wants to have an abortion and her husband is opposed to it, and it does provide that the husband should have some rights to prevent this type of an abortion. And I would move that we discharge Judiciary." 75  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day May 3, 1985

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Terzich, moves to discharge House Bill 2177 from Judiciary I Committee. And on that, is there any discussion? The Lady from Cook, Ms. Currie."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. I don't know who's for and who's against this Bill. It seems to me it's a silly Bill. It's already illegal in the State of Illinois to have abortions if the fetus is viable. Adding additional restrictions to something that's already prohibited doesn't seem to me to serve anybody's cause very well. It's a cluttering of the statute books for no particular purpose, certainly for no good purpose. And I hope this House will sustain the action of the Judiciary I Committee and reject this Motion."

"Further discussion? The Lady from Cook, Ms. Pullen."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I hope the previous Speaker will someday show us the statute or other law that makes having an abortion during viability of a fetus to be illegal in Illinois, because that isn't the case. This is an important Bill. It's a Bill that would finally give the father some say-so over whether his child was going to be killed or not, and I hope that we support this Motion so that the entire House can consider this Bill."

"The Gentleman from Macon, Mr. Dunn."

"Will the Sponsor yield?"

"Indicates that he'll yield for a question."

"Was this Bill ever requested to be heard in House Judiciary I Committee? I don't recall any... any request or any consideration of this Bill in this Committee. I don't... Was there ever a request to hear this Bill?"

"Yes, it was heard in Committee, Representative Dunn." 76  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day

May 3, 1985 "Yes, further questions of the Sponsor?"

"It was heard... Judiciary I Committee this morning?"

"You weren't... You weren't there."

"I'm the Chairman of that Committee. I've been there every moment of every Committee."

"Judiciary II..."

"Well, the Calendar may be wrong, and it says Judiciary I on the Calendar. Maybe it was heard in Judiciary II. I'm sorry, but the Calendar apparently is wrong."

"Well, you can't hear them all."

"That's right."

"Further discussion? The Lady from Cook, Ms. Braun."

"I'm not going to take up the time of the House. I just suggest to Representative Pullen she might want to examine the 13th Amendment to the United States Constitution with this regard to this question."

"The Gentleman from DuPage, Mr. McCracken."

"What is the 13th Amendment? We didn't have the benefit of Representative Terzich's personal handling of the Bill. Representative O'Connell did a fine job. The testimony was clear that it is currently the law that an abortion can be had in... in Illinois consistent with Constitutional standards in the case of viability where the health of the mother is threatened. The health is defined very broadly to include mental health, thereby, justifying on mental health grounds the murder of a child. I think it's time that a husband, and this is limited to husbands, have a say-so in that decision. And I would ask you to discharge this on the basis that it is clearly a prolife Bill. Thank you."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Cullerton."

"Okay. So Representative McCracken opposes Motions to 77  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day May 3, 1985 discharge on Bills we haven't heard in Committee, and he supports Motions to discharge that have failed in Committee. We had a hearing on this once, and it lost. There was some... There was some real questions as to the clarity of the language in the... in the legislation. I believe there was some prolife Legislators that didn't support it, and it's not as black and white as Representative Terzich would, I'm sure, like to have,"

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Bowman."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This is a very important issue, and if this Bill gets the... the Motion gets the requisite number of votes, I would ask for a verification."

"Further discussion? There being none, Mr. Terzich to close."

"Again, Με. Speaker, this we consider a very important Bill, and as I mentioned. And I think the General Assembly should hear House Bill 2177, and I would urge your support."

"The question is, 'Shall House Bill 27... 2177 be discharged from Judiciary II?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 57 voting 'aye, 35 voting 'no', 5 voting present', and the Motion... Yes, Mr. Terzich."

"Certain... We certainly would like to have a Poll of the Absentees."

"Mr. Clerk, poll the absentees."

"Poll of the Absentees. Berrios. Breslin. Bullock. DeLeo. Flowers. Harris. Huff. Krska. Laurino. Leverenz. McMaster. Nash. Panayotovich. Ronan. Soliz. Stern. Tuerk. Vitek. White. Wyvetter Younge and Zwick." 78  STATE OF ILLINOIS 34th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day May 3, 1985

"On this question, there are 57 voting 'aye', 35 voting 'no', 5 voting 'present'... Mr. Terzich, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"

"I'd like to know where all those Republicans went to."

"And the Motion fails. On the Order of Motions, on Supplemental Calendar #1, appears House Bill 2321, Mr. Young."

"Mr. Speaker, I move to put House Bill 2321 in Interim Study."

"The Gentleman from Cook asks leave of the House to place House Bill 2321 in the Interim Study Calendar. Does the Gentleman have leave? The Gentleman has leave, and the Bill will be placed in Interim Study. On the Order of House Bills... Motions, Supplemental Calendar #1, appears House Bill 2437, the Gentleman from Adams, Mr. Mays."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, House Bill 2437 takes two Acts off the books. Both of these Acts, Work Under Compressed Air Act and the Safety Glazing Materials Act, are preempted by federal rule anyway. These were suggestions from the Legislative Audit... or the Auditor General in his reports of 1980 and '83. Administration supported. Department of Labor supported. I would ask for support on this Motion."

"Yes, the Gentleman from Adams, Mr. Mays, moves to discharge the Committee on Labor and Commerce with respect to House Bill 2437. And is there any discussion? The Chairman of the Committee on Labor and Commerce, the Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Farley."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I would support the Gentleman's Motion to dis... discharge Committee. I... I had indicated to him early on that we would be able to accommodate this in another way; however, 79  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day May 3, 1985 we cannot. And as he says, they are Bills that should be heard and hopefully passed at some point. So I would agree with the Gentleman's Motion."

"The question is, 'Shall the House discharge House Bill 2437 from the Committee on Labor and Commerce?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 96 voting 'aye', none voting 'no', 1 voting 'present', and the House does discharge House Bill 2437 from the Committee on Labor and Commerce. Supplemental Calendar #1, the Order of Motions, appears House Bill 2438, the Gentleman from Lee, Mr. Olson."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I move to discharge Insurance Committee and advance to the Order of Second Reading, First Legislative Day, House Bill 2438. It is an Insurance Department proposal in target to funding. The problem we had in Insurance Committee is not that we didn't have a fair hearing with Representative Laurino. The fact is that the Amendment became the Bill and at that time we had significant movement in and out of the Committee room. So as a consequence, I would appreciate an affirmative vote to give this a full hearing."

"The Gentleman from Lee, Mr. Olson, has moved to discharge House Bill 2438 from the Committee on Insurance. Is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Macon, Mr. Tate."

"Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I have talked with the Chairman of the Insurance Committee about this issue. We have both agreed that this is an issue that deserves the hearing of the full House. It's an issue that's been debated and discussed, and I 80  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day May 3, 1985 would appreciate a favorable Roll Call at this time. There is a continuing negotiations on this issue, and we need to keep this alive. Thank you."

"The question is, 'Shall House Bill 2438 be discharged from the Committee on Insurance?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all. voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 8... 88 voting 'aye', 7 voting 'no', 1 voting 'present', and the House does discharge House Bill 2438 from the Committee on Insurance. We are now on Supplemental Calendar 2. Alright. This... Supplemental Calendar #2 contains Motions to commit Bills to the Interim Study Calendar of their respective Committees. Mr. Cullerton, do you have a Motion, Sir? Mr. Cullerton moves..."

"Oh, yes, I'm sorry."

"...that the Motions on Supplemental Calendar #2, except for 776, be considered on a single roll. Is there any objection? Yes, Ms. Pullen, for what purpose do you seek... To the Motion, Ms. Pullen?"

"To ask, Mr. Speaker, in legislative courtesy, that House Bill 876 be added to this list, please?"

"Mr. Bowman?"

"Yes, despite the fact that the Lady voted against my Motion to put my Bill on Interim Study, I'll support her Motion, but I would like to ask her courtesy in return to place two Bills on Interim Study that I have filed Motion slips for and do not appear on this list."

"Alright. Excuse me."

"Can we augment the list?"

"Mr. Bowman, Ms. Pullen, I have no objection... the Chair has no objection to considering individual 81  34th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 3, 1985 Motions as a courtesy of the House, but let us first address the Motions on Supplemental Calendar #2. Yes, Ms. Pullen."

"Mr. Speaker, I believe I have made my point - I hope so - since both of our Bills were heard earlier today and received a Roll Call in the House, as they were duly wished to do, and I will withdraw my request."

"Ms. Pullen withdraws her request. Alright. So, Mr. Cullerton has moved that all of the Motions on Supplemental Calendar #2, to commit those Bills, except for House Bill 776, be committed to the Interim Study Calendar of the respective Committees to which it was assigned. Mr. Young, do you wish... Leave for the... Is there leave? Then so ordered, and these Bills, except... on Supplemental Calendar 2, except for House Bills 776, are recommitted to the Interim Study Calendar. The Gentleman from Marion, Mr. Friedrich."

"Mr. Speaker, I'd like unanimous consent to put 1964 and 1965 in Interim Study. I don't believe they're on the Calendar."

"Gentleman have leave with respect to 1964 and 1965? Gentleman has leave. Yes, for what purpose does the Lady from LaSalle, Ms. Breslin, seek recognition?"

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen, I would ask for the same leave to put House Bill 1560 into Interim Study."

"Lady asks leave to put House Bill 1516 in Interim Study. The Lady has leave. 1516. 1516."

"1560. 60."

"#1560. 1560. Yes, Mr. Young, now do you seek recognition?"

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, I'd like to make an announcement that the House Transportation and Motor Vehicles Subcommittee on Disadvantaged Business Enterprise Program, which is meeting 82  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day May 3, 1985 in Chicago at 10:00 a.m. - there has been some confusion as to where that hearing will take place. It will be in the new State of Illinois Building. It will be in the New State of Illinois Building on the 16th floor."

"The Gentleman from Boone, Mr. Wait."

"Mr. Speaker, I'd like permission of the House to put in Interim Study the following Bills: 774, 905, 906, 926, 927, 966, 1060 and 2496."

"Mr. Wait, the Gentleman from Boone, moves... asks leave of the House to place House Bills 774, 905, 906, 926, 927, 966 and 1066 into the... to recommit them into the Interim Study Committee of their respective Committees."

"1060."

"1060. 1060."

"Right."

"Not 1066 but 1060."

"Correct."

"You have leave."

"Thank you."

"Also 2496. I don't think you mentioned that. So that will be included in Mr. Wait's Motion. Mr. Woodyard, the Gentleman from Edgar."

"Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker. Just one Bill. I request leave of the House to place 1721 in Interim Study."

"Mr. Woodyard requests leave of the House to place House Bill 1720 in Interim Study. The Gentleman have leave? Leave is granted. Mr. Bowman. 1721. Mr. Bowman."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, I request the same leave for House Bill 329 and House Bill 1532."

"Mr. Bowman asks leave of the House for House Bills 15... I'm sorry, 329..."

"329." 93  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 3, 1985 34th Legislative Day

"... and 1532..."

"Yes."

"... to be placed in Interim Study. Does the Gentleman have leave? The Gentleman has leave? The Gentleman from St. Clair, Mr. Stephens."

"Mr. Speaker, I ask leave to place House Bill 2082, 1821 and 2065 on Interim Study."

"Would you repeat those again, Mr. Stephens?"

"2082, 1821 and 2065."

"The Gentleman asks leave to place House Bills 2082, 1921 and 2065 in the Interim Study. Gentleman has leave. The Lady from Champaign, Ms. Satterthwaite."

"Mr. Speaker, I request leave to put House Bill 1759 in Interim Study in Elementary and Secondary Education."

"Was that 1759? Alright. Lady from Champaign asks leave of the House to place House Bill 1759... Yes, Mr. Vinson."

"Is the Lady the Chief Sponsor of the Bill?"

"She is the Chief Sponsor."

"Okay, thank you."

"So the Lady has leave to place House Bill 1759 in the Interim Study... in the Interim Study Committee. The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Sutker. Mr. Sutker asks leave of the House to place House Bills 380 and 924 in Interim Study. Mr. Vinson, those are Bills of which I am the Sponsor and he is doing is at my... with my authority. Does the Gentleman have leave? He has leave. And the Bills will be placed in Interim Study. Resolutions."

"House Resolution 323, offered by Representative Terzich; 329, Terzich; 330, DeJaegher; 331, Terzich; 332, Hoffman - Daniels and Stange; 334, John Dunn; and 335, Joan Dunn." 84  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day May 3, 1985

"Gentleman from Lake, Mr. Matijevich."

"The Clerk... Joe, I start with 330. Do you have those Terzich Resolutions? Mine starts with 330. I don't have anything before that."

"We'll get them to you, John."

"Alright. 330, DeJaegher, congratulates Howard and Donnah Beverage; 331, Terzich, commends Phillip Foley; 332, Hoffman - Daniels, honors Joseph Beja; 334, Dunn, recognizes Martin and Ann Seidman; 335, Dunn, honors Tom and Peggy Waterman; and 328, Terzich, congratulates Friederike Rutenberg; 329, Terzich, congratulates Kaethe Quast. I move the adoption of the Agreed Resolutions."

"Gentleman from Lake moves for the adoption of the Agreed Resolutions. All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Agreed Resolutions are adopted. General Resolutions."

"House Resolution 333, offered by Representative Richmond et al. House Resolution 336, offered by Representative Greiman."

"Committee on Assignment. Death Resolution."

"House Resolution 337, offered by Representative Wyvetter Younge, with respect to the memory of Professor James W. Fitzgibbons."

"Lady from St. Clair moves for the adoption of the Death Resolution. All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes', have it, and the Resolution is adopted. On the Adjournment Resolution, the Gentleman from Madison, Mr. McPike. Mr. Clerk, read the Adjournment Resolution."

"Senate Joint Resolution #49, resolved by the Senate of the 84th General Assembly of the State of Illinois, the House of Representatives concurring herein, 85  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day May 3, 1985 that when the two Houses adjourn on Friday, May 3, 1985 they stand adjourned until Tuesday, May 7, 1985 at 12:00 noon."

"Gentleman from Madison, Mr. McPike, moves for the adoption of the Adjournment Resolution. All in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Adjournment Resolution is adopted. Mr. McPike, on the adjournment Motion. Mr. McPikes moves that the House stand adjourned until the hour of 12:00 next Tuesday, allowing the Clerk appropriate time for introduction of Senate Bills and Committee Reports. All in favor of the Motion signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the House does stand adjourned."

"Senate Bills First Reading. Senate Bill 97, offered by Representative McCracken, a Bill for an Act to amend the Criminal Code. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 170, offered by Representative Barnes, a Bill for an Act to regulate the practice of podiatry in the State of Illinois. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 246, offered by Representative Keane, a Bill for an Act to revise the law in relation to recorders. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 247, Phelps and Keane, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of an Act to revise the law in relation to coroners. First Reading of the Bill. Committee Reports. Representative Nash, Chairman of the Committee on Registration and Regulation, to which the following Bills were referred, action taken May 3, 1985, reported the same back with the following recommendations: 'do pass Short Debate Calendar' House Bills 1057, 1954, 2181 and 2191; 'do pass as amended Short Debate Calendar' House Bills 773 and 1083; 'Interim Study Calendar' House 86  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day May 3, 1985 BILL 1979. Representative Alexander, Chairwoman of the Committee on Elections, to which the following Bills were referred, action taken May 3, 1985, reported the same back with the following recommendations: 'do pass' House Bills 1447 and 2477; 'do pass as amended' House Bill 1020 and 2475; 'tabled by Rule 24(d)' House Bill 1286; 'Interim Study Calendar' House Bills 814, 1352, 1376, 158, 886 and 2462. Representative Flinn, Chairman from the Committee on Financial Institutions, to which the following Bills were referred, action taken May 3, 1985, reported the same back with the following recommendations: 'do pass' House Bills 1313, 1556, 1885, 2100, 2205 and 2441; 'do pass as amended' House Bills 1360, 1903 and 2207; 'tabled in Committee' House Bill 820; 'Interim Study Calendar' House Bills 466, 699, 887, 1701, 1862, 1905, 1964, 1965, 2101, 2117, 2118, 2119, 2120, 2126, 2127 and 2178. Representative Kulas, Chairman of the Committee on Energy, Environment and Natural Resources, to which the following Bills were referred, action taken May 2, 1985, reported the same back with the following recommendations: 'do pass as amended' House Bill 1202. Representative Levin, Chairman of the Committee on Public Utilities, to which the following Bills were referred, action taken May 3, 1985, reported the same back with the following recommendations: 'do pass' House Bills 855, 1596 and 1815; 'be adopted' House Resolution 90. The House will stand at ease in Perfunctory Session. Perfunctory Session is back in Session. Committee Reports. Representative Dunn, Chairman of the Committee on Judiciary I, to which the following Bills were referred, action taken May 3, 1985, reported the same back with the following recommendations: 'do pass' House Bills 312, 874, 1656, 1677, 1902, 2040, 2364, 2447, 2457; 'do pass as amended' House Bills 737, 851 and 1188; 'do pass Short Debate 87  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day May 3, 1985 Calendar' House Bills 1035 and 2451; 'Interim Study Calendar' House Bills 1073, 2085 and 2392. Representative Satterthwaite, Chairman of the Committee on Higher Education, to which the following Bills were referred, action taken May 3, 1985, reported the same back with the following recommendations: 'do pass' House Bills 961, 1034, 2066 and 2287; 'do pass as amended' House Bills 1459, 1557, 2299 and 2472; 'do pass Consent Calendar' House BILL 2080; 'Interim Study Calendar' House Bill 938. Representative Farley, Chairman of the Committee on Labor and Commerce, to which the following Bills were referred, action taken May 1, 1985, reported the same back with the following recommendation: 'do pass as amended' House Bill 580. Representative Cullerton, Chairman of the Committee on Judiciary II, to which the following Bills were referred, action taken May 3, 1985, reported the same back with the following recommendations: 'do pass' House Bills 54, 82, 353, 463, 694, 831, 914, 918, 971, 1143, 1316, 1535, 1765, 1919, 1926, 1948, 2012, 2103, 2132, 2136, 2355, 2416, 2494 and 2521; 'do pass as amended' House Bills 522, 691, 807, 1182 and 1651; 'Interim Study Calendar' House Bills 380, 624, 779, 1315, 1359, 1433, 1758, 1940, 2209, 2212 and 2285. Representative Terzich, Chairman of the Committee on Executive, to which the following Bills were referred, action taken May 1, 1985, reported the same back with the following recommendations: 'do pass' House BILL 446, 464, 1224, 1481 and 1832. Chairman of the Committee on Revenue, to which the following Bills were referred, action taken May 3, 1985, reported the same back with the following recommendations: 'do pass' House Bills 83, 316, 383, 385, 460, 548, 753, 930, 1090, 1131, 1132, 1133, 1134, 1153, 1161, 1192, 1317, 1671, 1685, 1847, 1900, 2244, 2259 and 2435; 'do pass as 88  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day amended House Bills 224, 781, 1151, 1154, May 3, 1985 1564, 2154, 2417, 2425 and 2433; 'Interim Study Calendar House Bills 359, 461, 928, 1036, 1065, 1091, 1152, 1155, 1156, 1275, 1312, 1329, 1432, 1480, 1561, 1595, 1675, 1728, 1893, 1998, 2086, 2133, 2253, 2385 and 2516. There being no further business, the House now stands adjourned until Tuesday, May 7 at 12:00 noon." 89  08/14/85 09:33 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES DAILY TRANSCRIPTION OF DEBATE INDEX PAG MAY 03, 1985 HB-0032 MOTION PAGE 56 HB-0075 THIRD READING PAGE 5 HB-0135 MOTION PAGE 13 HB-0206 MOTION PAGE 16 HB-0239 MOTION PAGE 17 HB-0257 THIRD READING PAGE 5 HB-0370 SECOND READING PAGE 7 HB-0370 THIRD READING PAGE 12 HB-0370 MOTION PAGE 12 HB-0442 MOTION PAGE 19 HB-0489 THIRD READING PAGE 5 HB-0605 THIRD READING PAGE 5 HB-0607 MOTION PAGE 21 HB-0636 MOTION PAGE 25 HB-0645 MOTION PAGE 58 HB-0750 MOTION PAGE 28 HB-0776 MOTION PAGE 59 HB-0776 MOTION PAGE 72 HB-0853 THIRD READING PAGE 5 HB-0976 MOTION PAGE 31 HB-0917 MOTION PAGE 61 HB-0952 MOTION PAGE 63 HB-1018 MOTION PAGE 64 HB-1204 THIRD READING PAGE 5 HB-1212 THIRD READING PAGE 5 HB-1238 MOTION PAGE 37 HB-1298 THIRD READING PAGE 5 HB-1303 THIRD READING PAGE 5 HB-1346 THIRD READING PAGE 5 HB-1385 THIRD READING PAGE 5 HB-1392 MOTION PAGE 67 HB-1406 MOTION PAGE 14 HB-1407 MOTION PAGE 68 HB-1409 MOTION PAGE 42 HB-1453 MOTION PAGE 69 HB-1576 THIRD READING PAGE 5 HB-1604 MOTION PAGE 44 HB-1617 MOTION PAGE 70 HB-1730 MOTION PAGE 71 HB-1744 MOTION PAGE 50 HB-1754 NOTION PAGE 51 HB-1860 THIRD READING PAGE 5 HB-1922 MOTION PAGE 52 HB-2086 MOTION PAGE 52 HB-2105 MOTION PAGE 74 HB-2177MOTION PAGE 75 HB-2401 MOTION PAGE 55 HB-2437 MOTION PAGE 79 HB-2438 MOTION PAGE 80 SB-0097 FIRST READING PAGE 86 SB-0170 FIRST READING PAGE 86 SB-0246 FIRST READING PAGE 86 SB-0247 FIRST READING PAGE 86 SJR-0049 ADOPTED PAGE 85 SUBJECT MATTER HOUSE TO ORDER REPRESENTATIVE GREIMAN PRAYER REVEREND MARK KALEY PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE ROLL CALL FOR ATTENDANCE RECESS COMMITTEE REPORT MESSAGES FROM SENATE PAGE 1 PAGE 1 PAGE 1 PAGE 1 PAGE 3 PAGE 3 PAGE 4  08/14/85 09:33 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES DAILY TRANSCRIPTION OF DEBATE INDEX MAY 03, 1985 SUBJECT MATTER HOUSE RECONVEN ES REP. GREIMAN IN CHAIR PAGE 4 COMMITTEE REPORTS PAGE 4 SPEAKER MADIGAN IN CHAIR PAGE 13 REPRESENTATIVE GREIMAN IN CHAIR PAGE 30 SPEAKER MADIGAN IN CHAIR PAGE 37 REPRESENTATIVE GREIMAN IN CHAIR PAGE 64 AGREED RESOLUTIONS PAGE 84 GENERAL RESOLUTIONS PAGE 85 DEATH RESOLUTION PAGE 85 ADJOURNMENT PAGE 86 PERFUNCTORY SESSION PAGE 86 COMMITTEE REPORTS PAGE 86 PERFUNCTORY SESSION - ADJOURNMENT PAGE 89 PAG