Illinois House Floor Debate — May 23, 1985

"The House will be in order. The Members will be in their chairs. The Chaplain for today will be Pastor Norman T. Remmers of St. John's Lutheran Church of Bloomington. Reverend Remmers is a guest of Representative John Countryman. Will the guests in the galleries please rise for the invocation?"

"Heavenly Father, we would ask that You would preserve our nation in justice and honor, that we may lead a peaceable life of integrity. Grant health and favor to all who bear office in our land, especially to the President of the United States, the Governor of this state and all those who make, administer and judge our laws. And help them to serve this people according to Your holy will. Bless the schools, the colleges, the universities and centers of research and those who teach in them. Bestow Your wisdom in such measure that people may serve You and serve the state and serve each other, that our common life may conformed to Your rule, a rule of truth and justice. By the spirit of affection and service, unite the members of all families in this state that they may show Your praise in our land and in all the world. And let Your blessing rest upon our seed time and harvest, the commerce and industry, the leisure and rest, the arts and culture of our people. Take under Your special protection those who work in difficult and dangerous jobs and be with those who lay their hands to any useful task. Comfort with Your grace all who are in sorrow or need, sickness or adversity. All these things and whatever else You see that we need, grant us, Father, for the sake of Him who now lives and rules with You, one God forever. Amen."

"Representative Ropp will lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance." 1  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

"Call for Attendance. 118 answering the call, there is a quorum present. Reading of the Journal."

"Journal for the 28th Legislative Day, April 23, 1985."

"Representative Matijevich, on the reading of the Journal."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I move that we dispense with the reading of the Journal and that the following Journals be approved: #28 of April 23rd, #29 of April 24th, #30 of April 25th, #31 of April 30th and #32 of May 1st."

"The Gentleman moves to dispense with the reading of the Journals of the following dates and ask that they are approved as read. Are there any objections? Hearing no objections, all in favor say 'aye', all opposed 'nay'. The Motion carries. Agreed Resolutions."

"House Resolution 420, offered by Representative Panayotovich. 421, Washington and Brookins. 422, Virginia Frederick. And 424, by Representative Countryman. And House Joint Resolution 55, by Representative White."

"Representative Matijevich, on the Agreed Resolutions."

"Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, House Resolution 420, Panayotovich, congratulates Anthony 'Musselein'. House Resolution 421, Washington - Brookins, recognizes the Chicago Defender. House Resolution 422, Virginia Frederick, commends Betty Russell. House Resolution 424, Countryman, honors Delbert Davis. And House Joint Resolution 55, White, lauds the Pfizer, Inc. 2  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 Move the adoption of the Agreed Resolutions."

"The Gentleman moves the adoption of the Agreed Resolutions. Is there any discussion? All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'nay'. The 'ayes' have it and the Agreed Resolutions are adopted. General Resolutions."

"House Resolution 425, offered by Representative Pullen and Richmond."

"Committee on Assignment. Death Resolution."

"House Resolution 423, offered by Representative Brookins, with respect to the memory of Andrew L. Thomas."

"Representative Matijevich moves for the adoption of the Death Resolution. All in favor signify by saying 'aye', opposed 'no' and the 'ayes' have it. Senate Bills First Reading."

"Senate Bill 50, Mulcahey, a Bill for an Act in relation to blasting operations. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 301, Cullerton, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Insurance Code. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 854, Woodyard and Ryder, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Vehicle Code. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 939, Levin, a Bill for an Act to amend the Guardianship and Advocacy Act. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 940, Levin, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Occupational Therapy Practice Act. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 941, Levin, a Bill for an Act to amend the Guardianship and Advocacy Act. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 1245, McAuliffe, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act in relation to regional port districts. First Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 1388, Oblinger and Woodyard, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Public Aid Code. First Reading of the Bill."

"On page 37 of your Calendar, there is a Special 3  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 Consent Calendar consisting of 123 Bills. We are going to read them for the Third time, but we will delay a vote until later in the day so people... Members can peruse the list and be recorded as they want to be recorded on those 123 Bills. Clerk, read the Bills."

"Special Consent Calendar, page 37 on the Calendar. House Bill 54, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act concerning unidentified bodies. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 308, a Bill for an Act to amend the Revenue Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 375, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 431, a Bill for an Act to amend the State Fair Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 434, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Notary Public Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 450, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 451, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 486, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act in relation to the county and multi-county public health departments. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 493, a Bill for an Act to amend the Hearing Aid Consumer Protection Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 522, a Bill for an Act to amend the Criminal Code. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 715, a Bill for an Act to amend the Pharmacy Practice Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 782, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Insurance Code. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 793, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act in relation to natural resources, research, data collection and environmental studies and relates to Environmental Protection Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 838, a Bill for an Act to amend the Consumer Fraud and Deceptive Business Practice Act. Third Reading 4  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 of the Bill. House Bill 874, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Trust and Payable on Death Accounts Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 992, a Bill for an Act to amend the Election Code. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 969, a Bill for an Act to amend the Pharmacy Practice Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1000, a Bill for an Act to amend the Environmental Protection Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1006... House Bill 1006, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1045, a Bill for an Act to amend the Environmental Protection Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1047, a Bill for an Act to amend the Environmental Protection Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1058, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Administrative Procedure Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1102, a Bill for an Act to amend the Election Code. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1109, a Bill for an Act to amend the Election Code. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1142, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Funeral and Burial Funds Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1178, a Bill for an Act authorizing the Kane County Forest Preserve District to sell certain lands at public sale. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1182, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act in relation to juveniles. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1184, a Bill for an Act to amend the Environmental Protection Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1197, a Bill for an Act to create the ward... create wards in election districts. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1198, a Bill for an Act to amend the Code of Civil Procedure. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1207, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act in relation to employees of elected county officers in Illinois. Third 5  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1249, a Bill for an Act to amend the General Obligation Bond Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1251, a Bill for an Act to amend the Civil Administrative Code of Illinois. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1270, a Bill for an Act in relation to the sale and rental of video movies. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1294, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Insurance Code. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1285, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Administrative Procedure Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1301, a Bill for an Act relating to functions of various state departments, agencies and entities. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1330, a Bill for an Act to amend the Liquor Control Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1370, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Insurance Code. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1371, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Vehicle Code. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1411, a Bill for an Act to amend the Physical Fitness Service Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1417, a Bill for an Act in relation to State Comptroller. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1464, a Bill for an Act in relation to forest preserve districts. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1517, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act to revise the law in relation to counties. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1520, a Bill for an Act to amend the County Home Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1568, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Enterprise Zone Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1571, a Bill for an Act relating to the Department of Central Management Services. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1577, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act to revise the law in relation to clerks of courts. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1624, a 6  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 Bill for an Act to amend the Liquor Control Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1643, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Municipal Code. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1645, a Bill for an Act to concerning missing children. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1671, a Bill for an Act to amend the Revenue Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1677, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act relating to the solicitation of legal business for remuneration. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1680, a Bill for an Act to amend the Revenue Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1683, a Bill for an Act to amend the Asbestos Abatement Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1688, a Bill for an Act relating to the allocation of industrial development bonds. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1717, a Bill for an Act to amend the Agricultural Areas Conservation and Protection Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1755, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act in relation to State's Attorneys Appellate Service Commission. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1756, a Bill for an Act to amend the Radiation Protection Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1765, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Credit Card Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1795, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act in relation to custodians of public monies. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1801, a Bill for an Act to amend the Civil Administrative Code. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1828, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act in relation to the regulation of underground petroleum storage tanks. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1833, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Vehicle Code. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1867, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act relating to the Department of Conservation. Third Reading of the Bill. 7  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 House Bill 1889, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act in relation to forest preserve districts. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1901, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Vehicle Code. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1914, a Bill for an Act to enlarge the corporate limits of the Metropolitan Sanitary District of Greater Chicago. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1915, a Bill for an Act in relation to lost and abandoned boats. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1919, a Bill for an Act to amend the Unified Code of Corrections. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1924, a Bill for an Act relating to the Department of Conservation. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1928, a Bill for an Act relating to the identification and use of motor vehicles of the state of... Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1929, a Bill for an Act to amend the Water Well and Pump Installation Contractors License Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1933, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act relating to the Department of Mines and Minerals. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1937, a Bill for an Act to amend the Vital Records Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1943, a Bill for an Act to amend the Recreational Area Licensing Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1944, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Vehicle Code. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1949, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Controlled Substance Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1953, a Bill for an Act in relation to the operation of gasoline stations. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1959, a Bill for an Act to amend the Civil Administrative Code of Illinois. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1961, a Bill for an Act to amend the Civil Administrative Code of Illinois. Third Reading of 8  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 the Bill. House Bill 1967, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act relating to the Department of Central Management Services. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1970, a Bill for an Act in relation to telecommunications services provided by the Department of Central Management Services. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1974, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Highway Code. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1975, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act concerning Quincy Veterans' Home. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2015, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act relating to working cash fund in certain counties. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2020, a Bill for an Act in relation to sanitary districts and railway right of ways and public easements. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2023, a Bill for an Act to revise the law in relation to counties. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2032, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Insurance Code. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2054, a Bill for an Act to amend the Farms Management Program Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2067, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act in relation to the office of Lieutenant Governor. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2079, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act relating to Southern Illinois University. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2089, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Insurance Code. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2097, a Bill for an Act to amend the Election Code. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2103, a Bill for an Act to amend the Bill of Rights for Victims and Witnesses of Violent Crimes Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2104, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act relating to the Department of Children and Family Services. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2108, a Bill for an Act to amend 9  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 the School Code. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2125, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Insurance Code. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2190, a Bill for an Act to amend the Alcoholism and Substance Abuse Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2181, a Bill for an Act to amend the Collection Agency Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2213, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois State Auditing Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2261, a Bill for an Act to amend the Environmental Protection Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2266, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act in relation to natural resources, research, data collection and environmental studies. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2276, a Bill for an Act to amend the Juvenile Court Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2278, a Bill for an Act to amend the Grade A Pasteurized Milk and Milk Products Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2286, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2349, a Bill for an Act creating the Illinois Addictions Research Institute. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2379, a Bill for an Act to amend the Election Code. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2407, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Drainage Code. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2429, a Bill for an Act creating the Mautino Veterans' Home. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2436, a Bill for an Act relating to easements and access rights. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2439, a Bill for an Act in relation to monies received from the sale of fishing and hunting license. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2440, a Bill for an Act in relation to boiler and pressure vessels certification fees. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2442, a Bill for an Act to amend the Private Sewage 10  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 Disposal License Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2449, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Vehicle Code. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2452, a Bill for an Act in relation to persons with developmental disabilities. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2454, a Bill for an Act in relation to transportation. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2472, a Bill for an Act to amend the Environmental Educational Facilities Authority Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2487, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act to establish the Illinois Clean and Beautiful Program. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2515, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act in relation to food, drug and cosmetics. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2517, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Vehicle Code. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2521, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act relating to custody and disposition of certain property possessed by enforcement agencies. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2525, a Bill for an Act relating to various Acts to resolve multiple Amendments or additions to correct technical errors and other patent errors and omissions. Third Reading of the Bill."

"The procedure be following on the Special Consent Calendar just read is going to be... first of all, there will be a long print out on that entire list of Bills. That Bill was compiled... those Bills were compiled by the Leadership. Every one of those Bills left Committee without a dissenting vote. There will be a Roll Call in about an hour and a half on those Bills, but the Roll Call will be left open for three or four hours so that Members can be recorded as being opposed or 'present' on those Bills also. Does that clear it up for everyone? Mr. Clerk, read the appropriation Bills for a second time and 11  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 they will be held on Second Reading in the Calendar."

"House Bills Second Reading, Appropriation Bills. House Bill 24, a Bill for an Act making appropriation of the Board of Regents and regency universities. Second Reading of the Bill. House Bill 143, a Bill for an Act making an appropriation to the State Comptroller. Second Reading of the Bill. House Bill 219, a Bill for an Act making appropriation to the State Board of Education. Second Reading of the Bill. House Bill 342, a Bill for an Act making an appropriation to the Capital Development Board. Second Reading of the Bill. House Bill 362, a Bill for an Act making an appropriation to the Department of Revenue. Second Reading of the Bill. House Bill 413, a Bill for an Act making an appropriation to the Metropolitan Fair and Exhibition Authority. Second Reading of the Bill. House Bill 526, a Bill for an Act making additional appropriation to the Secretary of State. Second Reading of the Bill. House Bill 529, a Bill for an Act making an appropriation to the Illinois Development Finance Authority. Second Reading of the Bill. House Bill 530, a Bill for an Act making appropriation to the State Board of Elections. Second Reading of the Bill. House Bill 583, a Bill for an Act making appropriation to Secretary of State. Second Reading of the Bill. House Bill 641, a Bill for an Act making appropriation to the Capital Development Board. Second Reading of the Bill. House Bill 651, a Bill for an Act making appropriation for the ordinary and contingent expense of the Office of Commissioner of Savings and Loan. Second Reading of the Bill. House Bill 652, a Bill for an Act making appropriation for the ordinary and contingent expense of the Prisoner Review Board. Second Reading of the Bill. House Bill 653, a Bill for an Act making appropriation for the ordinary and contingent expense of 12  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 the Local Governmental Law Enforcement Officers Training Board. Second Reading of the Bill. House Bill 654, a Bill for an Act making appropriation for the ordinary and contingent expense of State Employees Retirement System. Second Reading of the Bill. House Bill 655, a Bill for an Act making appropriation for the ordinary and contingent expense of the Teachers Retirement System. Second Reading of the Bill. House Bill 656, a Bill for an Act making appropriation for the ordinary and contingent expense for the Pollution Control Board. Second Reading of the Bill. House Bill 657, a Bill for an Act making appropriation for the ordinary and contingent expense of the Illinois Educational Labor Relations Board. Second Reading of the Bill. House Bill 658, a Bill for an Act making appropriation for the ordinary and contingent expense of the Illinois Local Labor Relations Board. Second Reading of the Bill. House Bill 659, a Bill for an Act making appropriation for the ordinary and contingent expense of the Human Rights Commission. Second Reading of the Bill. House Bill 660, a Bill for an Act making appropriation for the ordinary and contingent expense of the Department of Human Rights. Second Reading of the Bill. House Bill 661, a Bill for an Act making an appropriation for the ordinary and contingent expense of the Medical Center Commission. Second Reading of the Bill. House Bill 662, a Bill for an Act making appropriation for the ordinary and contingent expense of the Guardianship and Advocacy Commission. Second Reading of the Bill. House Bill 663, a Bill for an Act making appropriation for the ordinary and contingent expense of the State Emergency Services and Disaster Agency. Second Reading of the Bill. House Bill 664, a Bill for an Act making appropriation for the ordinary and contingent expense of the Department of Children and Family 13  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 Services. Second Reading of the Bill. House Bill 665, a Bill for an Act making appropriation for the ordinary and contingent expense of the Military and Naval Department. Second Reading of the Bill. House Bill 666, a Bill for an Act making appropriation for the ordinary and contingent expense of the Illinois Commerce Commission. Second Reading of the Bill. House Bill 667, a Bill for an Act making appropriation for the ordinary and contingent expense of the Liquor Control Commission. Second Reading of the Bill. House Bill 668, a Bill for an Act making appropriation for the ordinary and contingent expense of the Department of Revenue. Second Reading of the Bill. House Bill 669, a Bill for an Act making appropriation for the ordinary and contingent expense of the State Labor Relations Board. Second Reading of the Bill. House Bill 670, a Bill for an Act making appropriation for the ordinary and contingent expense of the Illinois Racing Board. Second Reading of the Bill. House Bill 671, a Bill for an Act making appropriation for the ordinary and contingent expense of the Property Tax Appeal Board. Second Reading of the Bill. House Bill 672, a Bill for an Act making appropriation for Department of Public Health, Governor's Council on Health and Physical Fitness and the Board of Trustees of the University of Illinois Division of Services for Crippled Children. Second Reading of the Bill. House Bill 673, a Bill for an Act making appropriation to the Department of Employment Security. Second Reading of the Bill. House Bill 674, a Bill for an Act making appropriations for the Department of Energy and Natural Resources. Second Reading of the Bill. House Bill 675, a Bill for an Act making appropriations for the Department of Conservation. Second Reading of the Bill. House Bill 676, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to 14  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 the General Assembly Retirement System. Second Reading of the Bill. House Bill 677, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the Judges Retirement System. Second Reading of the Bill. House Bill 678, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the Department of Rehabilitations Services. Second Reading of the Bill. House Bill 679, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the Department of Mental Health and Development Disabilities. Second Reading of the Bill. House Bill 683, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the Illinois State Historical Library. Second Reading of the Bill. House Bill 693, a Bill for an Act making appropriation to the State... State Attorneys Appellate Service Commission. Second Reading of the Bill. House Bill 721, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the Office of the State Appellate Defender. Second Reading of the Bill. House Bill 902, a Bill for an Act making appropriation to the Illinois Department of Public Aid. Second Reading of the Bill. House Bill 946, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the Attorney General. Second Reading of the Bill. House Bill 947, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the Attorney General. Second Reading of the Bill. House Bill 993, a Bill for an Act making appropriation to the State Board of Education. Second Reading of the Bill. House Bill 994, a Bill for an Act making appropriation to the State Board of Education. Second Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1011, a Bill for an Act making appropriation to the Law Enforcement Merit Board. Second Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1040, a Bill for an Act making appropriation... appropriating money to the State Board of Education. Second Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1070, a Bill for an Act making appropriation to the State Board of Education. Second Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1097, a Bill for an Act 15  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 making appropriation to the Supreme Court. Second Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1110, a Bill for an Act making an... to appropriate funds for the Administrative Office of Illinois Courts. Second Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1125, a Bill for an Act making appropriation to the Capital Development Board. Second Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1247, a Bill for an Act making appropriation to the East St. Louis Developmental Authority. Second Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1304, a Bill for an Act making appropriation to the Environmental Protection Agency. Second Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1697, a Bill for an Act making appropriation to the State Board of Education, the Board of Trustees of State Community Colleges of East St. Louis. Second Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1736, a Bill for an Act making appropriation to the Department of Transportation. Second Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1737, a Bill for an Act making appropriation to the Department of Transportation. Second Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1777, a Bill for an Act making appropriation to the Department of Transportation. Second Reading of the Bill. House Bill 1911, a Bill for an Act making appropriation to the Department of Mental Health and Developmental Disabilities. Second Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2110, a Bill for an Act making appropriation to the Environmental Protection Agency. Second Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2201, a Bill for an Act making appropriation to the State Board of Education. Second Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2239, a Bill for an Act making appropriation relating to Members of the General Assembly. Second Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2240, a Bill for an Act to provide for expenses of the General Assembly. Second Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2243, a Bill for an Act making appropriation to the Department of 16  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 Mental Health and Developmental Disabilities. Second Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2316, a Bill for an Act making appropriation to the Department of Mental Health and Developmental Disabilities. Second Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2334, a Bill for an Act making appropriation to the Capital Development Board. Second Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2456, a Bill for an Act making appropriation to the Department of Central Management Services. Second Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2470, a Bill for an Act making appropriation to the Capital Development Board. Second Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2489, a Bill for an Act to make appropriation to the Department of Commerce and Community Affairs. Second Reading of the Bill."

"Those appropriation Bills will be held on Second Reading. Page 16 of your Calendar, Special Order of Business, House Bills Third Reading - Labor. Mr. Clerk, read the House Bill 1262."

"House Bill 1262, a Bill for an Act to amend the Workers' Compensation Act. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative McPike, on House Bill 1262."

"Yeah, I'd like leave to return this Bill to Second Reading for an Amendment."

"The Gentleman requests leave. Any objections? Leave is granted. House Bill 1262 is on Second Reading."

"Amendment #3, offered by Representative McPike and Tuerk, amends House Bill 1262..."

"Representative McPike..."

"Excuse me. Amendment 2. Amendment 2, by McPike."

"Amendment #2 deletes everything and becomes the Bill. Amends the Local Government and Government Employees Tort Immunity Act. Authorizes local public entities to levy taxes to provide for self-insurance and to pay costs of 17  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 defending against liability under Workers' Comp. Move for the adoption."

"Is there any discussion? Gentleman moves for the adoption of the Amendment. All in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'nay'. The 'ayes' have it and the Amendment is adopted. Any further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #3, offered by Representative McPike and Tuerk."

"Representative McPike, on Amendment #3."

"Amendment #3 is a technical Amendment, just to clarify Amendment #2. I move its adoption."

"Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment #3. Is there any discussion? There being no discussion, all in favor signify by saying 'aye', and those opposed 'nay'. The 'ayes' have it and the Amendment is adopted. Any further Amendments?"

"No further amendments."

"Third Reading. Does the Gentleman request leave to hear the Bill immediately? Is there any objections? There being no objection, the Attendance Roll Call will be used. Third Reading. Would you please read the Bill, Mr. Clerk?"

"House Bill 1262, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Workers' Compensation Act. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative McPike, on House Bill 1262. Representative McPike."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Representative Tuerk and I met with the various employer groups and the various labor groups and reviewed the Bills that were... that dealt with Workers' Compensation that had been introduced in the House and we came to agreement on two concepts and we embodied them in Amendment #2 and 3 into this Bill. Number one, we 18  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 replenished the second injury fund at the request of the Governor's Office. It was agreed to by both parties. And number 2, we authorized local public entities to levy taxes to provide for self-insurance and to pay the cost of defending against liability under Workers' Comp. And with those two provisions in the Bill, I move for its passage."

"Is there any discussion? There being no discussion, the question, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All those in favor will signify by voting 'aye' and those opposed by voting 'no'. And the voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? On this question there are 117 'ayes'... 118 'ayes', no 'nays', none voting 'present' and this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Mr. Clerk, read House Bill 1263."

"House Bill 1263, a Bill for an Act to amend the Unemployment Insurance Act. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative McPike, on House Bill 1263."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. I ask to return this to Second Reading... or Mr. Speaker, for purpose of Amendments."

"The Gentleman asks leave. Is there any objection? Leave is granted. The Attendance Roll Call will be used as the vote. Representative McPike."

"Amendment #1, McPike - Tuerk, amends House Bill 1263."

"Representative McPike, on Amendment #1."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. If the Body will recall, two years ago, there was an agreement reached at the mansion that covered a three and a half year span. The purpose of this Amendment is to extend that agreement for six more months until December 31, 1986. So, it will be a... nearly a four year, two billion dollar plus agreed Bill. And 19  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 that's what Amendment #1 does. I move its adoption."

"Is there any discussion? The Gentleman moves for the Amendment... There will be no discussion. The Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment # 1 to House Bill 1263. All in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'nay'. The 'ayes' have it and the Amendment is adopted. Any further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2, McPike - Tuerk, amends House..."

"I would withdraw Amendment #2."

"The Gentleman requests leave to withdraw Amendment #2. No objection, leave granted. Any further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #3, McPike - Tuerk, amends House Bill 1263."

"Representative McPike, on Amendment #3 to House Bill 1263."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Amendment #3, again, Representative Tuerk and I sat down with organized labor and management and tried to come to agreement on the Bills that had been introduced into the House Labor and Commerce Committee and we reached agreement in about five different areas. They are embodied in Amendment #3. I'd be glad to answer any questions on the Amendment. Move for its adoption."

"Representative McCracken, on this Amendment #3. Representative McCracken."

"Is the Gentleman referring to what we have marked as Floor Amendment #2?"

"Would you repeat the question, Mr. McCracken?"

"Is there a third?"

"Amendment #3 is McPike - Tuerk."

"Alright." 20  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985

"Thank you."

"Is there any discussion on the Amendment? There being no discussion, the Gentleman moves for the adoption of the Amendment. All in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'nay'. The 'ayes' have it and the Amendment is adopted. Any further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading."

"I'd move for immediate consideration on the Bill."

"The Gentleman moves for the immediate consideration. Any objections? The Attendance Roll Call will be used then for the immediate consideration. Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read House Bill 1263."

"House Bill 1263, a Bill for an Act to amend the Unemployment Insurance Act. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative McPike, on House Bill 1263."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, as I said, there are five or six minor provisions that have been incorporated into this, but the major provision is the extension of the UI agreement that was reached two years ago in the Governor's Mansion, extends it until December 31, 1986. It's... It helps the state. It helps business and I think, in the long run, it's good for the labor organizations of the state also. So, I would move for the passage of the Bill."

"Is there any discussion on House Bill 1263? There being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 1263 pass?' I'm sorry. Representative Tuerk, on House Bill 1263."

"Well, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House, just very briefly, what the Sponsor of the Bill says is absolutely true. The extension is going to help the State of Illinois to the extent of about $20,000,000 in penalties for 21  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 interest payments if this were not adopted, plus the fact that employers are going to benefit to some degree, and as he indicated, in the long run, the employees will likewise. I think it's a good arrangement, good compromise and I would move for the passage of the Bill."

"The question is, 'Shall House Bill 1263 pass?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'nay'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Take the record, Mr. Clerk. On this question there are 116 'ayes', 1 voting 'no' and none voting 'present'. And House Bill 1263, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On the same Special Order of Business, House Bill 1324. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk. Representative Breslin in the Chair."

"House Bill 1324, a Bill for an Act concerning certain elected officials. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Brunsvold, on House Bill 1324. Giorgi back in the Chair. 1324. Go ahead, Brunsvold."

"You didn't leave the Chair... You didn't leave the Chair, did you, Mr. Speaker?"

"I'm jumping around."

"House Bill 1324 has passed out of this Assembly twice already, this House twice. It simply deals with allowing elected officials of units of local government or school districts to be given time off for official meetings and that will be without pay."

"Is there any discussion to House Bill 1324? There being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 1324 pass?' All those in favor will signify by voting 'aye' and those opposed by voting 'no'. And the voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? On this question there are 109 22  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 'ayes', 5 voting 'no', none voting 'present'. House Bill 1324, receiving the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Take the Roll Call, Mr. Clerk.. Representative Breslin in the Chair."

"House Bill 1342, Representative Panayotovich. Clerk..."

"House Bill 1342, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Public Labor Relations Act. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Panayotovich."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. House Bill 1342 is a Bill that amends the Illinois Public Relations Labor Act to delete the provision which exempts units of local government employing less than twenty-five employees from the provisions of the Illinois Public Laborers' Relation Act. What it's saying here is that we want to have collective bargaining for areas that have less than twenty-five employees. And I move for passage of the Bill."

"The Gentleman has moved for the passage of House Bill 1342, and on that question, the Gentleman from DuPage, Representative McCracken."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Will the Gentleman yield for a question?"

"He will yield for a question."

"Representative, are there certain types of employees of units of local government who are not counted now, for purposes of the Act?"

"Yes, there are because of a State Board decision, police and firemen are not covered."

"And what types of persons are those or what types of employees are those?"

"Policemen and firemen are not covered." 23  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985

"Alright. Are part-time workers covered now?"

"In the head count for the collective bargaining, no."

"Right. Are they counted now?"

"No, not for collective bargaining purposes."

"Are supervisors counted now?"

"Management is not... supervisors are not."

"Are there other types of employees who are not counted now for purposes of being under the Bill?"

"No."

"Now, what is the net effect of this Bill? Would it... Would it result in more units of local government being subject to the Bill than are now subject to the Bill?"

"It would."

"Do you know how many more units would be included as a result of this?"

"No, not at this time, we don't know exactly how many units it would be throughout the state."

"Okay."

"What we are trying to do with the Bill is bring it into conformity."

"Okay, to the Bill, Madam Speaker."

"Proceed."

"This Bill originally was an attempt to delete the exemption arrived at on the collective bargaining Bill of last Session wherein units of government which employed fewer than twenty-five workers of a specified type were not to be included under the collective bargaining mandate. That Bill, apparently, was not palatable and an Amendment was put on by Representative Greiman which merely changed the manner of counting who was an employee for purposes of determining the twenty-five employee exemption. The net 24  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 effect, I submit to you, is not very different than the original intent of the Bill. The Sponsor was very candid and forthright in telling you that employees now not subject to the counting requirements are going to be included and the net effect being that more units of local government will be made subject to the Collective Bargaining Act. The Collective Bargaining Act was bad to begin with and to extend its coverage, I think, would be a mistake. The reason the units of government with fewer than twenty-five workers were exempted was because of the havoc that could be wreaked by such a small number of persons relative to the importance of the service they provided. It was a wise exemption. It did not include part-time employees. I think that's a very wise exclusion. It did not include supervisors, for obvious reasons, because it's a management versus labor Bill. And I think it's a...an unwise proposition at this time to change those exemption counting requirements and I stand in opposition."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Greiman."

"Thank you, Speaker. I come to the General Assembly with my... my head in my hands... or my... instead of my hat in my hands and confess to you a perhaps error in drafting. I was, as you may recall, the Sponsor and, I guess, the author of the collective bargaining Bill two years ago. A dubious distinction sometimes. In the last minutes of the negotiation, the Municipal League asked that this be put in... asked that a provision for twenty-five employees be put in. I agreed to that, but said that the count for the twenty-five should be based on all of the employees that the village or community had, not supervisory, obviously, but all of the employees that they would have which would have... so that the count would have 25  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 been for water people and sanitary people and clerks who would normally be under 536, as well as the police and fire, because it wasn't until the last minutes of the negotiations that the police and fire were out. They were in until the... until that time. So that the intent was that the count be made on the basis of all of those employees rather than just the employees under the Act. Now, my drafting, I guess, was not clear enough. I believed and I said at the time and the transcript, I think, probably bears it out that this applies to a full count of all the employees. The Labor Board has had a case from the City of Robinson and the hearing officer, I believe, not the Board at this point, has taken a contrary view of what I meant. I don't have any special legislative intent the minute a Bill is passed... but in this case, I know what I meant. I know what the agreement was. This Amendment merely responds to the agreement and it overrules the hearing officer in the Robinson case. That's why the Amendment has been put in. I didn't put the Bill in initially, but I did see the problem and I think that the Bill should be passed to conform to the original intent and the original understanding that I had with the Municipal League. Thank you."

"The Gentleman from DeWitt, Representative Vinson."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Assembly. Madam Speaker, I believe that this particular Bill is highly controversial and we have gone through a series of non-controversial Bills and I believe it's important that you establish order in the Assembly so that everybody understands what we are voting on in this case. Members of the Assembly, we have just voted on a series of labor Bills that were either agreed Bills or 26  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 inconsequential Bills. Now we face one of the most important labor local government issues of this General Assembly Session. What the Gentleman proposes in this Bill is to apply the collective bargaining law for governmental units to the smallest governmental units in the State of Illinois. You have heard from the small units of government that this Bill would apply to, how their property tax funds are declining because property tax assessments are declining. You have heard from them what they think of their ability to govern when this General Assembly keeps imposing costly mandates on them. You know what the frightening fiscal impact of this kind of legislation is on tiny, small local governmental units. Not only... Not only do you jack their personnel costs skyhigh, but beyond that, you compell them to hire numerous lawyers. You compell them to become expert in collective bargaining. You compell them to go through endless litigation before state regulatory agencies and in the courts. The legal costs of this alone are frightening for the local governmental units involved. But beyond that, there is something else about what this kind of legislation can do to a small local governmental unit. When you deal with a little town, the concept of collective bargaining is wrong and I generally believe in the concept of collective bargaining and have so voted. But when you are dealing with a tiny, small town, it's wrong to inflict the divisions and the rancor of collective bargaining and public strikes on that kind of community. It tears the community apart and those local towns have a good feeling for the justice and the fairness with which they treat their employees. It is not the kind of situation you have with the City of Chicago or Rockford or even a Lincoln. With those little bitty towns, people know what's going on. 27  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 Everybody in town understands that justice or the injustice of the compensation of the employees in those towns, the working conditions and so forth. You do not need to impose on them the same kind of system that you impose on the City of Chicago or Springfield or Lincoln for regulating collective bargaining. That's what this Bill would do. It would impose enormous costs on them and it would tear apart the very social fabric of a small community. I strongly urge a 'no' vote. I request a verification should this appear to get the requisite majority and I plead with you to think about what you are doing in this particular case, whatever your general view of collective bargaining is. I urge a 'no' vote."

"The Gentleman from Will, Representative Davis."

"Well, it's a pretty tough act to follow, Madam Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. However, I think Representative Vinson was absolutely correct. Those of us that live outside of the metro areas in this state and represent any portion of our district that has a town of a thousand, two thousand, three thousand people, better watch this very carefully. I don't blame organized labor for bringing this Amendment back. It's going to be a tough Roll Call for those who support labor and try to support their local districts at the same time. But, by George, you better listen to what Representative Vinson said. I can't imagine anybody in Moweaque or Shelbyville or in southern Illinois in a little town of three thousand people. We trust our city fathers to run those villages in ever increasingly difficult times, but I can't imagine them sitting down across from a professional labor organizer to take in mowers, part-time summer labor, managers and supervisors that happen to be exempted under this clause that I believe was the agreement and the Sponsor of 536 now 29  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 says his intent was otherwise, but it certainly was not clear that night. The intention was very clear that these very units should be excluded because of the awesome costs that these poor little villages will face. I don't think anybody outside of the six metro-county area in the Chicago area and even some of those ought to be on this Roll Call."

Speaker Breslin: "The Gentleman from Dupage, Representative Barger."

"Thank you, Madam Chairman. Members of the Assembly, during the time I served as Mayor of the City of Wheaton, I spent six years on the Board of Directors of the Illinois Municipal League. And in that particular capacity, I served not only the people of my city, which is a large one, but I also served the people of the small towns of Illinois. We helped them with their... solve their problems. There are towns in Illinois where the mayor, the police chief get out and help the director of public works when they are doing a road project. There is a cross-over absolutely necessary from one department to another in order to keep the cost of running these small towns down to one that can be managed by the taxpayers. As the size of a city increases, the formality of their government also can increase. Larger cities can handle the problems inherent in dealing in collective bargaining. The small cities are very, very informal. Some of them are nothing but a large extended family. These people don't fit that mold, and we are trying to force them into a mold they don't fit. We are going to cause havoc and in almost every one of our district, we have more towns under 4,000 than we have over. So, the problem is are we going to support most of our cities or are we going to support the labor leaders who would like to organize? I think this is a very, very bad policy for us to be following, and I hope all of you will 29  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 consider the impact on the people of your district when you vote on this Bill. Thank you very much."

"The Gentleman from Kendall, Representative Hastert."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Would the Sponsor yield?"

"Proceed."

"Would the Sponsor yield?"

"Yes, he will yield for a question."

"Sam, I might not have heard this clearly before, but are elected... let's say I have a small county, okay, and we have twenty, twenty-three deputy sheriffs and the people that work in the sheriff's office and this type of thing, would the sheriff, elected officer make the twenty-fifth person?"

"All employees of the township. If he's an employee of the township, he would be included."

"He would be an employee of the county in this case."

"Of the county. He would be included."

"Alright, so... Well, it doesn't make any difference..."

"It would put him at the... Yeah, it would put him the twenty-fifth."

"If he's an elected official or not elected official."

"If he's employed by the county, he's then counted in as the twenty-fifth..."

"So that is whether he draws a paycheck or doesn't draw a paycheck from the county."

"I would imagine so if he... Yeah, an employee."

"Okay. Thank you. To the Bill."

"Proceed."

"You know, certainly not as eloquent as the four or five previous speakers that we have had talk on this issue, but you know this is a gut issue. And if you represent small towns, you represent counties and if you represent 30  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 townships where, you know, you have a small number of people, where you deal with people on a personal basis day in and day out as I do, you get back in the district and you start talking to those people. And the gut issue is the people don't... they don't want this. They don't want to have to deal with the unions and collective bargainings when you have two or three people in a unit. When you talk about a small town police force or the guy who runs the water tank and maybe the garbage truck and the three or four other things in those small communities, you know, it doesn't work. If you represent ten or the ten or the fifteen big cities in the State of Illinois, it's a different way. It's a different way of life. But this is not something that's suited to small town Illinois or the townships of Illinois or the counties of Illinois. And we will be pushing something down somebody's throat that the people say, 'No, we don't want this.' Sometimes, you know, we hear the arguments from labor and we hear the arguments from management and we hear the arguments of the Municipal League and we hear the arguments of all those people who knock on the doors down here, but sometime, someplace, we have to listen to the arguments of the people at home. And the people that I represent say no to this proposition."

"There being no further discussion, Representative Panayotovich, to close. Representative Panayotovich. Would you use the mike next to you, Sir?"

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. What we are doing here today is fighting a battle or talking about a battle that was fought two years ago when we came up with the collective bargaining agreement. If you look at the old language and you look at the new language, we have... really have no change. All we are doing here is making it clearer as to what passed two years ago. We are taking out 31  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 the firemen and the police which was not in the original Bill. The intent, basically, is to clear this Bill up and make it a workable Bill. We are looking... and as it was said here, it is a gut issue. It is a gut issue and we had the guts two years ago to put this legislation in. What we need is we need guts now to come back again and say it's something that's needed. We want to have fairness and conformity to all employees throughout this state and I look for a favorable vote."

"The question is, 'Shall House Bill 1342 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. The Gentleman from Peoria, Representative Tuerk, one minute to explain your vote."

"Madam Speaker and Members of the House, the people on my side of the aisle have done an excellent job of explaining why you should not pass this Bill, both from a philosophical and a nuts and bolts standpoint. I just want to speak very briefly to the issue of the principal Sponsor of two years ago. He made the statement that his intent was thus and so and that may be true. However, on something as important as this Bill was two years ago, it was a bad idea then. He should have made it clear as to his intent in the language of the Bill. He did not do that. The understanding was that it would not apply to local units of local government with fewer than twenty-five. The collective bargaining concept was a bad idea two years ago. It was a bad idea ten years ago. And this just makes it a worse idea and I would ask for your support to defeat this Bill."

"The Gentleman from Knox, Representative McMaster, one minute to explain your vote."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. I want the people on the floor to know that I deeply resent the people from the big 32  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 city area, the metropolitan area, coming down to our small units of government downstate and telling us what we should do. I resent that very much and I want them to know that and I resoundingly vote 'no' and I encourage more 'no' votes on the board."

"The Gentleman from Livingston, Representative Ewing, one minute to explain your vote."

"Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, the Sponsor of this Bill has indicated that this is something we negotiated out two years ago, and it just makes me wonder in voting 'no' on this why we ever listened to any compromise that we pass here because it is immediately trying to take it away from us the next Session. Is it that you can't trust any compromise? If it was a good compromise two years ago, then it should still be good today."

"Is there any further discussion? There being no further discussion, have all voted who wish? Representative Greiman, you spoke in debate."

"Yes, I did. I have never... I have never stood up on this floor in eleven year... in eleven years to... on a point of personal privilege, but I will at this moment."

"Proceed."

"I will because Representative Davis thought that he could go into the recesses of my mind when I said exactly what the truth was, exactly what the agreement was, exactly what the understanding was. And as far as Representative Ewing's comments was agreement... no, there wasn't an agreement. We accepted the things that they said. There was no agreement. Mr. Ewing didn't vote for that Bill. He never agreed to it and neither did most of the others over there. They never agreed to it. We gave them a charity gift. That's what it was. It was to give them respect 33  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 because they should have input into it because it's a major public policy measure. But no agreement was made. None at all. This merely brings the intent of the original drafters into... into conformity with what we believe we were doing then. Now, if the Gentleman wishes to take advantage of 'Scriveners' error, fine, let him take advantage of it. I thank you. I apologize for rising on a point of personal privilege. I haven't done it in eleven years. I hope not to do it for another eleven years."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Rice, one minute to explain your vote."

"Good morning."

"Good morning."

"I'm voting because I'm from the big city and that's the way I felt about mandatory insurance yesterday. The small towns had no business talking about what the poor folks in Chicago needed. Now, I'm voting 'aye'. I hope everybody else does too."

"Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 50 voting 'aye', 60 voting 'no' and 7 voting 'present'. Representative Panayotovich."

"May I have this Bill on Postponed Consideration, please?"

"I'm sorry, Representative. I could not hear what you said. Representative Panayotovich, what..."

"I'd like this Bill placed on Postponed Consideration, please."

"The Gentleman asks that this Bill be put on the Order of Postponed Consideration. Representative Vinson, for what reason do you rise?"

"I request a Verification of the Affirmative Roll Call."

"The Gentleman is within his rights to request a 34  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 Verification of the Affirmative Roll Call. Mr... At this point, Mr. Clerk, would you poll the affirmative votes?"

"Poll of the Affirmative. Alexander. Berrios. Bowman. Braun. Brookins. Bullock. Capparelli. Cullerton. Curran. Currie. DeJaegher. DeLeo. Farley. Flowers. Giglio. Giorgi. Greiman. Huff. Johnson. Keane. Krska. Kulas. Laurino. LeFlore. Leverenz. Levin. Matijevich. Mautino. McGann. McPike. Nash. Panayotovich. Phelps. Preston. Rea. Rice. Richmond. Ronan. Saltsman."

"Excuse me. Members should be in their seats and should rise when their name is called and signal to the person doing the verification. That is Representative Vinson. The Gentleman cannot see people in their seats because people are standing up in the aisles and blocking people. Representative Sutker has asked for leave to be verified, Representative Vinson. Is that okay... as does Representative Nash, Representative Shaw, Representative Soliz. Representative Leverenz, for what reason do you rise?"

"Just an inquiry of the Chair. Have we determined whether the Republicans can walk up and down the center aisle, blocking Representative Vinson's view, using these sheets with the pictures on them yet?"

"I don't know about the sheets with the pictures on it, but we would ask all Members to sit down so that we can clear the view for Representative Vinson. Gentleman, be in your seats... and Ladies. Representative Dunn, for what reason do you rise?"

"Well, Madam Speaker, I'm not really for this Bill, but I'm sure going to help my colleague put it on Postponed Consideration, so change me to 'aye'."

"The Gentleman changes his vote from 'no' to 35  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 'aye'. Proceed with the..."

"Continuing with the Poll of the Affirmative. Shaw. Soliz. Sutker. Terzich. Turner. Vitek. Washington. White. Wolf. Anthony Young. And Mr. Speaker."

"Representative Steczo asks leave to be recorded as voting 'aye'. There are, therefore, 52 voting 'aye' and 60 voting 'no'. Representative Vinson, do you have any questions of the Affirmative Roll? Representative Wojcik, for what reason do you rise? We are verifying the affirmative. You are voting 'no'. Proceed, Mr. Vinson."

"Representative Farley."

"Representative Farley. Is the Gentleman in the chamber? He is not. Remove him."

"Representative Laurino."

"Representative Laurino. Is the Gentleman in the chamber? He is."

"Representative Levin."

"Representative Levin is in his chair."

"Representative Mautino."

"Representative Mautino. Representative Mautino. Is the Gentleman in the chamber? Remove him. Representative Satterthwaite, for what reason do you rise?"

"Madam Speaker, I'm not in favor of the Bill either, but again, in order to help my colleague only put the Bill on Postponed Consideration, I change my vote to 'aye'."

"The Lady votes 'aye'. Representative Younge, for what reason do you rise? The Lady from St. Clair, Representative Younge, votes 'aye' also. There are, therefore, 54 voting 'aye'."

"Representative Phelps."

"Representative Phelps. Representative Phelps. The Gentleman is not... the Gentleman is in his chair." 36  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985

"Representative Rea."

"Representative Rea is in his chair. Representative Dunn asks leave to be verified."

"Representative Richmond."

"Representative Richmond is in his chair."

"Representative Van Duyne."

"Representative Van Duyne is in the chamber."

"Representative Giglio."

"Representative Giglio. Representative Giglio is not in the chamber. Remove him. Representative Wolf asks leave to be verified."

"Representative Brunsvold."

"Representative Brunsvold is in the chamber."

"Representative DeJaegher."

"Representative DeJaegher is in his chair."

"Representative Giorgi."

"Representative Giorgi. Representative Giorgi. Is the Gentleman in the chamber? He is not. Remove him. The Gentleman has returned to the chamber. Add him to the Roll Call."

"Representative Johnson."

"Representative Johnson is not in his chair. Remove him."

"Representative Breslin."

"The Lady is not voting 'aye'. Are there any further requests? Mr. Clerk, what's the call? On this question there are 50 voting 'aye', 59 voting 'no' and 5 voting 'present'. The Gentleman has requested leave to put this Bill on the Order of Postponed Consideration and it shall be so placed. House Bill 1448, Representative Bullock. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 1448, a Bill for an Act relating to collective bargaining agreements. Third Reading of the 37  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 Bill."

"Representative Bullock."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 1448 provides for collective bargaining agreement and what is called 'successor clause'. This agreement is binding upon and enforceable against successor employers. The Bill applies in the situation where a business is sold or transferred or signed to another owner and under present law, the purchasing employer is under no obligation to honor that collective bargaining agreement negotiated between the first employer and his employees. House Bill 1448 would, in fact, require that the successor employer comply with the existing collective bargaining agreements. The successor employer would, in fact, be required for three years, assuming that's the longevity of the contract, after the official day of the collective bargaining agreement. We believe and I believe and supporters of this Bill believe that it's the affirmative duty of the employer to honor and certainly to disclose successor clause provisions within the collective bargaining agreement. The Bill is strongly supported by the state AF of L - CIO and other organized labor groups in the state. This legislation has passed the House before. We are asking for no more than what is obligated under existing financial institutions. We have financial institution transaction taking place. The depositors are held harmless and certainly in cases of insurance, individuals are protected. We are asking for the same protection for the working men and women of the state. Madam Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I would urge an 'aye' vote. Be delighted to answer any questions that may arise."

"The Gentleman has moved for the passage of 38  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 House Bill 1448, and on that question, the Gentleman from DuPage, Representative McCracken."

"To the Bill, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Assembly. As I read subsection (b) of the Bill, this would also include asset sales where the business is continued in substantially the same form as well as stock sales. So that a person purchasing the assets who continues a substantially same or similar line of business could be bound by this successor agreement. Now, I don't know if that's the intent of the Sponsor, but I think that's only one of the deficiencies of this Bill. This bargaining agreement or successor clause that the Gentleman refers to has obvious appeal to the labor community. They want to be protected in the event of a sale of a business and I can understand that, but I don't think that that policy is a policy, one, which is within the jurisdiction of this state to enact and ,two, is a policy which is very counter-productive to labor's real needs. And that is a market which provides jobs. Illinois is in the throes of a problem which it has yet to recover from and that is a transition from an industrial to a service oriented economy. Attorney General Hartigan wants to turn the Southworks into an employee owned operation. Well, it is conceded in a May 19th, 1985, Sunday Suntimes Business and Finance Section that that plan could not meet the requirements of this Bill. In that plan, there would be a wage cut required in order to financially make that plan work. Now, what is the result? The result is if this is law and the Southworks plan were adopted as proposed, it would not be in compliance therewith. It would not be followed. Now, the successor clause has another problem which I think is a very substantial problem which, if this Bill becomes law, the courts will not take long to act 39  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 upon, and that is federal preemption. The National Labor Relations Board has held that federal law preempts in this area. Federal law does not require the honoring of successor clauses. Federal law requires a successor employer to bargain and recognize that union. However, federal law specifically is on point relative to this issue and it does not require to honor the successor clause, only to recognize the union, only to bargain with the union. This Bill is well-intended. I understand its appeal to the other side of the aisle. I respectfully submit that it is absolutely counterproductive to what it's Sponsor intends it to accomplish. The Southworks plan can't be done with this Bill in effect. The federal law preempts this area of regulation. This is a Bill which we must stand in opposition to."

"The Gentleman from Livingston, Representative Ewing."

"Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, those who might feel that this is legislation which would benefit the workers, I would implore them to consider the adverse effect on the business climate and on... the adverse effect on the possibility of some businesses which may go out of business or could be sold and having to take the option of going out of business and eliminating jobs. It isn't that we don't... by opposing this Bill that we don't want workers to keep their jobs. It's just the opposite. We feel this will hinder workers in keeping their jobs and I would certainly ask them to look very seriously at this before anybody puts a 'yes' vote on it."

"There being no further discussion, the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Bullock, to close."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. If you note, in the course of debate, none of 40  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 the individuals that spoke in opposition to the Bill asked the Sponsor a question, so one has to infer that we heard (a) a fillibuster, (b) we heard the canned speech. Now that we have heard the fillibuster and the canned speech, let's hear the facts. The fact of the matter is in Section (c) of this Bill and I quote, 'This Section shall not apply to a receiver or trustee in bankruptcy of any contracting employer who has gone into receivership or bankruptcy or to any employer who acquires a business from a receiver or trustee in bankruptcy.' So, clearly, the first opponent of this Bill either did not read that Section or chose to disregard it and ignore it. The fact of the matter is many businesses have chosen to use existing law as a ruse in which to relieve themselves from their obligations to the employers, and in so doing, have displaced many workers in our state. The example cited of the steelworks on the south side, of which Attorney General Hartigan is to be commended and lauded for taking an effort to negotiate a reasonable settlement, they know that this Bill would in no way mitigate against that settlement. The facts are, if you are for protecting the men and women of the great state of Illinois and preventing corporations from using loopholes to avoid their obligation you'll support the Bill. If you believe in the in the... concept, worker be damned, then you'll vote against the Bill. I urge an 'aye' vote. Thank you, Madam Speaker."

"The question is, 'Shall House Bill 1448 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. The Gentleman from DuPage, Representative McCracken, one minute to explain your vote."

"Just to request a verification if it appears to receive the requisite number of votes."

"Have all voted who wish? The Gentleman from 41  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 Cook, Representative Sutker, one minute to explain your vote? The Gentleman waives his minute. Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. Representative Bullock... On this question there are 59 voting 'aye', 50 voting 'no' and 3 voting 'present'. Representative Bullock requests a Poll of the Absentees. Representative Van Duyne requests leave to be voted 'aye'."

"Poll of the Absentees. Flinn. Flowers. Mautino. McNamara. And Oblinger. No further."

"Representative Flowers asks leave to be voted 'aye'. There are, therefore, 61 voting 'aye', 50 voting 'no' and 3 voting 'present'. Representative McCracken has requested a Poll... has requested a Verification of the Affirmative Roll Call. Would you poll the affirmative, Mr. Clerk?"

"Alexander. Berrios. Bowman. Braun. Breslin. Brookins. Brunsvold. Bullock. Capparelli. Christensen. Cowlishaw. Cullerton. Curran. Currie. DeJaegher. DeLeo. Dunn. Farley. Flowers. Giglio. Giorgi. Greiman. Hannig. Hartke. Hicks. Keane. Krska. Kulas. Laurino. LeFlore. Leverenz. Levin. Matijevich. McGann."

"Representative Ronan, for what reason do you rise?"

"I want myself and Representative Kulas to be verified so we can go eat."

"Representative Ronan and Kulas request leave to be verified, as does Representative Younge and leave is granted. And Representative Dunn. Leave is granted. Wyvetter Younge. Proceed, Mr. Clerk."

"Continuing with the poll of the affirmative. McPike. O'Connell. Panayotovich. Pangle. Phelps. Preston. Rea. Rice. Richmond. Ronan. Saltsman. 42.  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 Satterthwaite. Shaw. Soliz. Steczo. Stern. Sutker. Terzich. Turner. Van Duyne. Washington. White. Wolf. Anthony Young. Wyvetter Younge. Zwick. And Mr. Speaker."

"Representative Zwick, for what reason do you rise? The Lady wishes to change her vote from 'aye' to 'no'. Representative Cowlishaw, for what reason do you rise?"

"Madam Speaker, how am I recorded, please?"

"You're recorded as voting 'aye'."

"Please change my vote to 'no'."

"The Lady changes her vote from 'aye' to 'no'. Mr. Clerk, how many votes are there? Representative Bullock, there are 59 'aye', 52 'no' and 3 voting 'present'. Representative Giglio has returned to the Roll Call. There are, therefore, 60 voting 'aye'. Oh, you didn't. Excuse me. Representative Giglio was not taken off. We have not begun... You were taken off the last Roll Call, not this Roll Call. Okay. So there are 59 voting 'aye'. Representative Bullock."

"Well, I told Representative Nash, who is my good friend, that I want to put this Bill over in the Senate, and I'll put an Amendment on it. Nash, I need a vote. Alright, Madam Speaker, put it on Postponed Consideration."

"The Gentleman asks leave to put this Bill on the Order of Postponed Consideration, which is... and that is where it shall be placed. On this... House Bill 1529, Representative Matijevich. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 1529, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Matijevich."

"Madam Speaker, I'm going to ask leave to... of the Body to return this Bill back to the Order of Second Reading for the purpose of an Amendment and let me explain 43  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 what we're doing. I've discussed this with the other side of the aisle. This Bill, as originally drafted, was a collective bargaining Bill for downstate firefighters. We are amending the Bill so that it is strictly a shell Bill. And we are continuing to negotiate. Al Greiman's been negotiating with firefighters, police, the Municipal League, the attorneys for everybody; and, if we do have a collective bargaining Bill, we do have a vehicle. We may not end up with a collective bargaining Bill, but there are many firefighters and policemen who feel, now that there is collective bargaining for public employees, if they don't work on something soon, that they may be at the end of the... bottom of the totem pole, because some mayors are saying, 'We're not going to deal with you. You don't have collective bargaining.' So, I'd ask leave now to return this Bill to the Order of Second Reading."

"The Gentleman has asked leave to return this Bill to the Order of Second Reading for the purposes of an Amendment. The Gentleman have leave? Hearing no objection, the Gentleman has leave. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 1529, on the Order of Second Reading. Amendment #1, Greiman, amends House Bill 1529."

"Representative Greiman, on Amendment #1."

"Amendment #1 strips the Bill, makes a percentage change and would not be pursued by anybody unless there is an understanding."

"The question is, 'Shall Amendment #...' The question is, 'Shall Amendment #1 to House Bill 1529 be adopted?' All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Are there any further Amendments?" 44  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Representative Matijevich now asks leave for immediate consideration of this Bill. Is there any objection? Hearing no objection, the Gentleman has leave. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 1529, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Third Reading of the Bill"

"Representative Matijevich."

"Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, the Bill now is strictly a vehicle Bill in case the negotiations do develop by the end of the Session. I would urge the Members of the House to vote this Bill out so there is that vehicle available in case something develops."

"The Gentleman has moved for the passage of House Bill 1529. And on that question, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Adams, Representative Mays."

"My only question and point is that the Bill, as amended now, as I understand it, reduces the number of people required to vote for recognition. Is that correct? From 30 percent down to 25 percent?"

"It does that. That was just... They had to do something, I guess."

"I'd feel a lot more comfortable. To the Bill as it stands, I'd feel a lot more comfortable voting on a vehicle Bill that did absolutely nothing on this case. As it stands right now, it is a change in the law in terms of the number of people required for the recognition. And so, for that point, I'm going to have to vote 'no'."

"There being no further discussion, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 1529 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk 45  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 will take the record. On this question there are 83 voting 'aye', 30 voting 'no'. Representative Countryman wishes to be voted 'aye'. Okay, 'aye'. And Representative McCracken wishes to be voted 'aye'. There are, therefore, 85 voting 'aye', 29 voting 'no' and 2 voting 'present'. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 1531, Representative Matijevich. Clerk read the Bill"

"House Bill 1531, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Municipal Code. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Matijevich."

"Yes, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, the genesis of House Bill 531 (sic - 1531) was a lawsuit by the Illinois Police Association and the City of Bartonville. What happened in that City was that the City had promoted a policemen from sergeant to lieutenant, and then shortly thereafter, the chief of police had a reorganization of the police department and that lieutenant, even though he had 17 years of service, was eliminated from the force altogether. This Bill would provide that officers reduced in rank or removed shall be considered furlowed without pay from their positions at the rank from which they were reduced or removed and would prohibit the department or district from reducing an officer or member more than one rank in a reduction of force and specifies that reductions and removals shall be in strict compliance with seniority. This, as I said, would prevent something like that happening, and that lieutenant would be allowed to stay on the force in the next reduced rank. I would urge the Members to vote for and support House Bill 1531."

"The Gentleman has moved for the passage of House Bill 1531." 46  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985

"Speaker Madigan in the Chair. And, Ladies and Gentlemen, before we proceed to the Roll Call, let me have your attention. We are very honored today to have with us a very distinguished guest who is traveling through Illinois on his way to Colorado. We are joined by Mr. Peter Ueberroth, the person who was the leading figure in the development of the Los Angeles Olympics and today serves as the Commissioner of Major League Baseball. So let me give you Peter Ueberroth."

"Thank you very much. Mr. Speaker, Members of the House, I'm just stopping by informally. I couldn't stop by without saying thank you. Thank you from the people of southern California, 29 cities that took part in the Olympic games. About this time last year, millions of people from your state went along the roadside to honor the Olympic Torch and to raise money for your own charities. And it worked. It was a concept that worked, especially in this state. Tom Bradley and I started that Torch in New York, and it really caught the imagination of the people when it came into the City of Chicago. And I'd like to additionally say that... thank you in the form of there was more corporate support for the Olympic games out of the State of Illinois than any other state in the United States. It's not often talked about, but it was more than my own home state of California, more than any other state in the Union. Companies like Motorola and McDonalds and United Airlines and many others supported the games that were entirely done privately. And, as you know, privately we did have a quarter of a million dollars... a quarter of a billion dollars, 250 million dollars left over and that's called a surplus, which is the opposite of a word deficit. And it all goes to kids and a lot in your own state, kids in your own cities and counties in Illinois. So, it's my 47  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 pleasure to stop by and say hello to you and wish the Cubs and the White Sox and, for some of you a little farther south, the Cardinals a good year this year. Thank you very much."

"We were in the middle of a Bill, Ladies and Gentlemen. The question was, 'Shall House Bill 1531 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Representative O'Connell, the Gentleman has already closed debate. You may speak one minute to explain your vote. Representative O'Connell. Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 90 voting 'aye'... Representative Brookins wishes to be recorded 'aye', and Representative Mautino wishes to be recorded 'aye', as does Representative Klemm, and Representative Weaver, and Representative Washington, and Representative Laurino, and Representative Huff and Representative Tate. Representative Mays wishes to be recorded as voting 'no'. Do you have that, Mr. Clerk? We do. And what is the count, Sir? Representative Mays has changed his mind and wishes to be recorded as voting 'aye'. Representative Huff, for what reason do you rise?"

"On a point of personal privilege, Madam Speaker."

"Let us get the... Let's finish this Roll Call, okay? Representative Ewing wishes to be recorded as voting 'aye', as does Representative Kirkland and Representative Mulcahey. Representative Harris wishes to be recorded as voting 'aye', also. There are, therefore, 103 voting 'aye', 10 voting 'no' and 1 voting 'present'. Representative Huff, state your point."

"Yes, the point is simply this. I'd like to suggest that a transcript of Mr. Uberroth's presentation be sent to John Kramer, underlining that he financed the Olympics with private funds." 48  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985

"House Bill 1539, Representative Curran. Clerk, read the Bill. Representative Curran."

"House Bill 1539, a Bill for an Act to amend certain Acts in relationship to civil rights of municipal employees. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Curran."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. House Bill 1539 grants political rights to local policemen, local firefighters, members of fire protection districts and civil service employees. It's essentially what we did yesterday with House Bill 761 with state police officers. It simply grants these people the same political rights that anybody else has and doesn't designate them to the classification of second class political citizens. I ask for an 'aye' vote."

"There being... The question is, 'Shall House Bill 1539 pass?'. And on that question, the Gentleman from DuPage, Representative McCracken."

"Parliamentary inquiry. How many votes does this Bill take for passage?"

"The Clerk's Office has called down and indicated that I announced the Roll Call on House Bill 1531, but did not actually declare it passed. I will repeat that the Roll Call was 103 voting 'aye', 10 voting 'no' and 1 voting 'present'. And the Bill, having received the necessary Constitutional Majority, is declared passed. Representative Wojcik, do you wish to discuss this Bill? For what reason do you rise?"

"It's a point of personal privilege, I might say. I was out of the House and inadvertently my light was cast on a vote, House Bill 1529. I did not want to vote 'aye' on it."

"How did you wish to be recorded?" 49  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985

"I wanted to be recorded as 'no'."

"The transcript will reflect that."

"Thank you."

"We are in the middle of a Bill. That Bill is House Bill 1539. We have read the Bill, Representative McCracken, and the Bill requires 60 votes for passage. Is there any further discussion? There being no further discussion, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 1539 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 39 voting 'aye', 15 voting 'no' and 3 voting 'present'. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Dunn, for what reason do you rise?"

"Madam Speaker, I rise on a point of personal privilege on the order of consideration of world's fair questions, since that was brought up. I'd just like to point out to the Members that a meeting was held, a rally, in support of the 1992 World's Fair here in Springfield this week. The meeting and rally was promoted by, sponsored by and held on the... held in the facilities of the Southern Illinois University School of Medicine. I can't imagine what that facility has to do with promotion of the 1992 World's Fair, but I think it was a very improper use of taxpayer monies for the School of Medicine and its officials to promote and host a meeting for the World's Fair. And I think especially all downstaters ought to be made aware of this."

"House Bill 1665, Representative Panayotovich. Clerk, read the Bill. Representative... excuse me. Representative Brunsvold, for what reason do you rise?"

"Parliamentary inquiry."

"What is your inquiry?" 50  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985

"I'd like the Chair to rule if it's a violation for me to announce that my freshman seatmate, Cal Sutker, is 62 today, and he has a cake here that he would like everyone to have a piece of. And he's... stand up. Would that be a violation, Madam Speaker? Stand up, Cal."

"Representative Brunsvold, I am advised that it is not a violation as long as the Member admits his correct age. House Bill 1665. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 1665, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act concerning public purchases. Third Reading of the Bill"

"Representative Panayotovich. Representative Matijevich in the Chair."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. You're all invited over to have a piece of Representative Sutker's American cake, if you'd like to come over. House Bill 1665 is a Bill almost exactly like we sent out of here a couple of years ago. It made it to the Governor's desk and amendatory vetoed back to just a Steel Procurement Act. We talked earlier today, some Representatives have talked about gut issues, people have talked about jobs, people have talked about what's happening in the state. House Bill 1665 is that Bill again that comes back to put jobs back in the State of Illinois, back in America. What we're trying to do here, what we're trying to do here with this Bill is get it in the right order. We are... as like I said, the Governor last year... two years ago, made it just steel. We are going back and asking for all purchases and all contracts now have to be made or manufactured here in America. I ask for immediate passage of this Bill, and I'll answer any questions."

"Panayotovich has moved for the passage of House Bill 1665. On that, the Gentleman from McLean, Representative Gordon Ropp." 51  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Would the Sponsor yield?"

"Indicates he will. Proceed."

"Representative Panayotovich, does this Bill still include the fact that American... that local units of government or state units of government could purchase up to 15 percent more of the bid if it is an American company compared to an out-of-the-country company offering merchandise for sale?"

"Yes, Sir."

"Fifteen percent more. This means that the taxpayers in the State of Illinois would have to pick up 15 percent more of the costs of major construction or the purchase of equipment throughout the State of Illinois. To the Bill, Ladies and Gentlemen, one of the biggest opportunities we have in this country is to export products that we have. America is one of the greatest countries in regards to developing ingenuity and the ability to sell. We have tremendous efficiency, not only in agriculture, but in our own technology. Should this Bill pass, we are, in effect, telling foreign countries, many of whom are our greatest buyers, particularly Japan, and soon to become China and Europe and other countries will now say, 'It looks like Illinois does not want to be a trading partner. It looks like Illinois will, in fact, place a barrier around the borders. Therefore, we choose not to trade with the State of Illinois.' Ladies and Gentlemen, the greatest thing we have going for Illinois and the United States is the fact that we can sell. We're tremendous merchandisers, and this is how we solve the problem that the Representative is attempting to deal with - salesmanship, merchandising the products that we have here. Let me say, many countries, at least one that I am extremely familiar with, is in the very verge of setting brand new construction plants in the State of Illinois. Should this Bill pass, that potential 2,000 52  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 to 4,000 new jobs in Illinois, what you are attempting to increase would be out the window. You're telling this particular country that we do not want to trade with you, that we do not want your business in our state. Ladies and Gentlemen, I urge a 'no' vote on this Bill. It is not good for developing international trade throughout the world."

"Gentleman from Cook, Representative Anthony Young."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I rise in support of this Bill. I think that in response to some of the comments just made about opportunities to export, that we have an obligation to 'Buy America'. We have an obligation to the citizens of this state to try to put our people to work. Our ingenuity, our technology have not solved problems of unemployment throughout the state, particularly in urban areas. Our ingenuity and technology have not prevented us from being underbid in the automobile and steel industry. And our ingenuity and technologies have not seen this state acquire the necessary resources to improve the quality of life. I dare say the quality of life has been decreasing these last years due to our ingenuity and technology. So, I urge an 'aye' vote on this issue. I think it's our obligation as government to lead the way to the people of this state to 'Buy America', to support American industries and to stop sending money overseas to the detriment of the workers of this state."

"The Lady from Cook, Representative Parcells, Margaret Parcells."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I rise in opposition to this Bill. House Bill 1665, which amends the Steel Products Procurement Act, passed a couple of years ago. It's probably the most 53  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 detrimental Bill to the State of Illinois that will come before us this year. The original Act hasn't created any new jobs. It hasn't saved any money, and this Bill just makes it worse. The Sponsor is well-intentioned, and his idea may sound good, but the backlash from this enactment of this Bill could set our state back fifty years. If you care about your cities and villages, your park districts, counties, townships, fire districts and all of your school districts, you can't vote for this Bill. All of our great universities, as well as Central Management Services, and all of our local governments are adamantly opposed to this Bill. It will cost them a fortune. How can we dare exempt this Bill from the State Mandate's Act? It may be the most expensive piece of legislation we have ever hung on the necks of our local governments. When our own House Speaker, Michael Madigan, just last month told Mayor Houston of Springfield that he is renewing a five point program to ease this growing problem of enacting legislation, which is so costly to local governments without the state reimbursing the increased costs, the Speaker said, and I'm quoting directly, 'The Mandate's Act was created to provide protection to local governments and taxpayers so that costly programs were not forced on them without state funding. This is an important function, and we should do everything possible to see that it is accomplished.' How can we ignore that pledge made by our Speaker? Furthermore, our Minority Leader, Lee Daniels, felt so strongly about mandates that he has introduced a Constitutional Amendment to avoid this problem and make sure that all mandated programs passed by the General Assembly are adequately funded. Are we going to listen to the leaders that we have elected, or are we going to treat their words as empty rhetoric? And costly it will be. The 54  STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 State Mandate's fiscal note on this Bill estimates it should cost a city of 100,000 people one and a half million dollars per year just in additional costs for products. I hope you Legislators from Chicago are listening carefully, because this could cost your wonderful city millions and millions yearly just in products and that doesn't include the large additional staff that must be hired to figure out the bureaucratic mess of deciding what is domestic and what is foreign. If the parts are made in Japan and assembled and packaged here, is it foreign? If the parts are made here and shipped to Germany for finishing, is it foreign or domestic? And those are the easy ones. How about oil and gasoline? All of your cities and state cars and trucks use gasoline and oil. How will we know which gasoline came out of a Texas oil well and which from a foreign source, especially when they're both sent to the same AMMACO refinery where they're mixed? What a bureaucratic nightmare. This will certainly create more government jobs if that's what your intention is, but it won't be popular with your constituents who will pay the higher taxes to pay for those jobs. On the lighter side, those of you who voted two days ago to allow the sale of liquor and beer in the new State of Illinois Building will not be able to buy a fine imported wine or a Heineken's beer. Those are foreign imports, you know. The fiscal note filed on House Bill 1665 stated that one and a half billion dollars are spent annually by agencies under the Governor's control, the universities and the Office of Education. This Bill could cost 225 million additional tax dollars, and that's just in products. That's before the foreign countries eventually drop out of the bidding, knowing they can't compete in this unfair system, and that will allow the U.S. companies to raise their prices ever higher than the 15 55  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 percent already allowed by this law. Two days ago DCCA held a conference for new Members of both sides of the aisle to meet with the directors of the Illinois foreign trade offices. When I told them of this Bill, they nearly fell off of their chairs. After sending our Governor to China and Europe to create good will and open trade offices, suddenly we aren't going to trade with these countries. We want to export our goods, but we won't buy theirs. How long do you think that will last before these foreign countries retaliate? 'Bart Smitt' of our European office in Belgium said this would be a terrible thing for Illinois, and it's a very bad example to set. He stated that this country became isolationist in the 1920's and 30's and that helped to lead to the Depression. He said we could change the name of this Act to the Illinois Isolationism and Protectionist Act, because that's what it is. Mr. 'Smallwood' of our trade office in Brazil pointed out that Illinois is the chief agricultural exporter in the U.S. Just a month ago, on this floor, we had to lend a helping hand to our Illinois farmers. And now, with this legislation, their agricultural products will be refused by countries from whom we refuse to import goods. Ask your farmers how they like that idea. And ask Caterpillar Tractor, who has just started to come back, how they feel about losing all or part of their 455 million dollars worth of exports each year. Ladies and Gentlemen, Illinois is just pulling out of the doldrums. Don't set our great state back fifty years by closing the door on the free enterprise system and offending our friends with whom we would like to trade throughout the world. I urge your 'no' vote."

"Gentleman from Kankakee, Representative Pangle." 56  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I move the previous question."

"Representative Pangle has moved the previous question. The question is, 'Shall the main question be put?' Those in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay', and the main question is put. Gentleman from Cook, Representative Sam Panayotovich, to close."

"Well, first of all, I want to thank Representative Parcells for putting Amendment #1 on which made the Bill a lot stronger. I thank her for that. I guess yesterday she saw a good Bill, and today she doesn't think it's so good. The difference a day makes. We have had federal 'Buy American' since 1930. We have 18 states today who have 'Buy American' legislation in place and none have repealed the laws. We're talking about putting people back to work. We're talking about taking people away from unemployment. We're talking about putting money in their pockets to pay for their house mortgages. We're talking about food on the table. We're not talking about when Representative Ropp mentioned 15 percent. It could go as high as 15 percent, but we're going to create competition here within the state so it does not go to no 15 percent. If it costs government a little bit more money, we're putting people back to work. That will come back to us in the form of taxes. Go back to your district and tell them you didn't vote for a Bill that's going to put them back to work to help them make their house payments and put food on their table. I urge an 'aye' vote."

"Representative Panayotovich has moved for the passage of House Bill 1665. Those in favor signify by voting 'aye', opposed by voting 'no'. Gentleman from Marion, Representative Friedrich, one minute to explain his vote."

"Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, a couple of 57  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 years ago the steel workers came down here and wanted me to vote for a Bill to be sure we bought U.S. steel, and I said, 'Well, I'll make you a deal. I'll go on your parking lots at your steel mills. If I don't find any foreign-made cars, I'll vote for your Bill.' And they said, 'Well, what do you mean?' I said, 'I think we're talking about the same thing'. I can tell you this - this will not put men to work. It will put them out of work, because Illinois is an export state, both of farm products and manufactured goods. And if we just trade with ourselves, I can assure you there will be a lot less jobs, not more jobs. Actually, it's amazing to me that union members are for this Bill, because actually they are the biggest buyers of foreign-made goods that I know of. And I see them driving around in foreign-made cars. If they all just drove American-made cars, it would make a big impression on industry in this country and that..."

"Bring your remarks to a close."

"So I think this is a bad Bill. It's going in the wrong direction."

"Gentleman from Cook, Representative Shaw, one minute to explain your vote."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think this is a good Bill. And somebody mentioned the Governor and what's going to happen to the foreign trade, but the Governor should move into my district and see all of the unemployed people in my district. You know, I represent one of those districts where a lot of those steel mills have been displaced and people are unemployed. The Governor should come up there and see about the... and look at the high unemployment and the foreclosures on homes. It's interesting that the other side of the aisle will talk about this is a bad Bill. What do you have to replace this Bill with? What programs have 58  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 you come up with? What programs has the Governor come up with? Tell the Governor to come on up with some other programs and let's..."

"Bring your remarks to a close."

"... see it in the Legislature here. And I urge you to vote 'aye' for this Bill."

"Let me remind everybody we've got a lot of work today. Representative Hastert, one minute to explain his vote."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I just want to remind the Sponsor of this Bill that a couple days ago when he voted for the Lekotek Bill, the Lekotek toys for autistic and mentally retarded children, technology and something that was performed in Sweden, toys that were made in Sweden - they voted for it. It is a piece of legislation that might be an exception, but it's exceptions that make the difference to people. And if we don't have the ability to look at exceptions and use good judgement in government and pass legislation that we can vary from sometimes policy that we've set, then we're hogtying this General Assembly..."

"Bring your remarks to a close."

"Thank you."

"Representative Mays, one minute to explain his vote."

"I would just like to point out, when this Bill came up two years ago for our discussion, we brought out the fact that these Bills have been on the books at the federal level since 1930. Several other states have enacted similar legislation and not one new job can be attributed to any of them. I would even suspect that we can't attribute one new job to the 'Southwards' Steel Plant because of the procurement Bill that we passed two years ago. I would also 59  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 like to point out that more than 88,000 people in this state are employed in the export business. One out of every three agriculture jobs in this state is dependent upon exports. And one out of seven manufacturing jobs are dependent upon exports."

"Bring your remarks to a close."

"I would simply point out the downside is much more likely than the upside on this measure, and that's why I'm voting 'no'."

"The Gentleman from McHenry, Representative Klemm, one minute to explain his vote."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Last year my wife and I had the privilege of traveling up around Europe, and we stopped at London and I happened to turn on the local television set on BBC. And one of the articles... or one of the programs they had was interviewing one of the people in Parliament and he was talking about 'Buy America'. And it was funny, because obviously I stopped listened, turned it up a little bit more. They were saying that there was such a movement of trying to 'Buy America' that they themselves are starting to look about buying Britain. And I was wondering myself, as an exporting company that I own and other businesses that I know of who create jobs because we have the free and open trade, if, in fact, we will really be saving jobs by having this type of protection that we're trying to do today. I don't think so..."

"Bring your remarks to a close."

"I think we're making a mistake in voting in favor of this Bill. Thank you. And I vote 'no'."

"Gentleman from DuPage, Representative Barger, one minute to explain his vote."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The restriction of trade can cause all kinds of problems that we wouldn't hardly 60  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 believe. In my district, there is a company called Chicago Blower. They manufacture air conditioning equipment, and they weren't even allowed to bid on a job that was... because it was restricted to only companies that manufacture similar equipment from either Ohio, New York or England. And this bid was to supply the air condition equipment for the McCormick Place expansion program. I think this type of legislation causes us nothing but problems. The best supplier who can supply the best equipment at the best price should be the person who is chosen."

"Bring your remarks to a close. The Lady from Cook, Representative Parcells, has explain.... spoke in debate. For what purpose do you seek recognition?"

"Did you speak to me, Mr. Speaker? Yes. Point of parliamentary inquiry. I wondered how many votes this would take?"

"One moment. We're checking..."

"And, Mr. Speaker, if it should get the requisite, I would like a verification, please."

"Alright. We're checking it out."

"Thank you."

"Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 58 'ayes', 58 'nays', 2 answering 'present'. And this... Representative Panayotovich."

"Poll the 'present'. Could we put this on Postponed Consideration, please?"

"Gentleman asks leave to place this Bill on the Order of Postponed Consideration. Does he have leave? Leave and House Bill 1665 is placed on the Order of Postponed Consideration. House Bill... Representative Parcells, since it's on Postponed, we will not respond to 61  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 your inquiry, if you don't mind. House Bill 2283, Breslin. Clerk, read the Bill"

"House Bill 2283, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Wage Payment and Collection Act. Third Reading of the Bill"

"The Lady from LaSalle, Representative Breslin, on House Bill 2283."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen, we have something in Illinois called the Illinois Wage Payment and Collection Act. At the present time, it allows people in the private sector to gain access to collect their wages that are due in owing when they do not have a contract as an employee. This Bill includes employees of the state and any political subdivision thereof, including school districts. So what it does is it includes... it affords to public employees in Illinois the same rights as people have in the private sector to gain their... their wage payments. I move for passage of House Bill 2283."

"Representative Breslin has moved for the passage of House Bill 2283. Being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 2283 pass?' Those in favor signify by voting 'aye', opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 105 'ayes', 4 'nays'. Bob Piel 'aye'. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Ryder 'aye'. McCracken 'aye'. House Bill 2437, Mays. The Clerk will read the Bill. And Representative Peg Breslin in the Chair."

"House Bill 2437, a Bill for an Act to repeal certain Acts herein named. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Mays."

"Thank you very much, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen 62  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 of the Assembly. This Bill is a simple Bill. It repeals two Acts in which both cases the Federal Government have more stringent... more comprehensive requirements. In both cases, the Federal Government preempts these two state laws. It was suggested by Phil Calahan of the NFIB, Department of Labor and the administration, and I would urge its approval."

"The Gentleman has moved for the passage of House Bill 2437. And on that question, is there any discussion? There being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 2437 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? This is final action. Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 116 voting 'aye', none voting 'no' and none voting 'present'. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 2473, Representative Stange. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2473, a Bill for an Act to amend the Child Labor Law. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Stange."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, fellow Members of the House. This Bill is an Amendment of the Child Labor Law to allow children under 16 to model and act in motion pictures."

"The Gentleman has moved for the passage of House Bill 2473. And on that question, is there any discussion? There being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 2473 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Representative Homer? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 112 voting 'aye', 1 voting 'no' and 2 voting 'present'. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is... 63  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 Representative Braun wishes to be recorded as voting 'aye'. There are, therefore, 113 voting 'aye', 1 voting 'no' and 2 voting 'present'. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 2512, Representative Soliz. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2512, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act relating to Illinois Youth Employment Program. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Soliz."

"Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I'd like to request leave to consider this Bill under Second Reading for purposes of an Amendment."

"The Gentleman asks leave to return this Bill to the Order of Second Reading for the purposes of an Amendment. Is there any objection? Hearing no objection, the Gentleman has leave? Read the Bill on Second Reading, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 2512, which amends an Act relating to the Illinois Youth Employment Program, on the Order of Second Reading. Next Amendment is Amendment #2, Soliz, amends House Bill 2512."

"The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of Amendment... Oh, excuse me. Representative Soliz, on Amendment #2."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. You may recall that when we had a previous presentation on this Bill, there were some concerns very eloquently raised by Representative Vinson concerning the funding for this particular youth employment project. At that time, the concern was that the monies utilized or used for this Program would be derived from the unclaimed properties which normally go to pension funds. After discussing this matter with the Illinois Education Association, I've amended this particular Bill to 64  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 provide that the funding come from General Revenue funds. And I'd like..."

"The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of Amendment #2 to House Bill 2512. And on that question, the Gentleman from Adams, Representative Mays."

"Thank you very much, Madam Speaker. Will the Gentleman yield for a question?"

"He will yield for a question."

"With... If Amendment #2 is adopted, it would eliminate the funding provision from the sale of unclaimed property, is that not correct?"

"That's correct."

"Thank you very much."

"The Gentleman from McDonough, Representative Slater."

"Representative, your Amendment removes pension funds, is that correct?"

""Represen... Turn on Representative Soliz."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. What this Bill does... or the Amendment does, it provides that the funding be derived from General Revenue funds as opposed... as was originally presented from the Unclaimed Property Fund which is normally used for pensions. That's correct."

"Further question. Will you add back the provision in the Senate as it relates to pension funds, or do you plan to leave it General Revenue funds?"

"Absolutely not. I would not do that."

"Will you table this Bill in the House if, in the Senate, the pension funds are added back in as the funding source?"

"I would move not to concur and discuss it in Conference Committee."

"Sir?"

"I would move not to concur with the Senate provision and 65  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 discuss it in Conference Committee."

"Thank you."

"The Gentleman from Rock Island, Representative Brunsvold."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. I would rise in support of Representative Soliz's Amendment in that it does not take money from pension funds now, but from General Revenue funds and ask for your support on the Amendment."

"The question is, 'Shall Amendment #2 to House Bill 2512 be adopted?' All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Are there any further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Representative Soliz now asks leave of the Body for this Bill to be heard immediately on Third Reading. Is there any objection? There being no objection, the Gentleman has leave. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 2512, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act relating to the Illinois Youth Employment Program. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Soliz."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I simply would like to just reiterate what I've said previously. This is a noble but modest effort to try to alleviate some of the chronic unemployment in the... chronic youth unemployment in our communities throughout the State of Illinois. And I'd like to ask for a favorable Roll Call on this."

"The ... "

"Thank you."

"The question is, 'Shall House Bill 2512 pass?' 66  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. The Gentleman from DuPage, Representative McCracken, one minute to explain your vote. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 74 voting 'aye', 41 voting 'no' and 1 voting 'present'. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Ladies and Gentlemen, we are chaging the Order of Business to House Bills Third Reading - Land Acquisition. It appears on page 26 on your Calendar. The first Bill is House Bill 1540, Representative Cullerton. With leave we will come back to this Order... or to this Bill since Representative Cullerton is not in the chamber at this moment. The next Bill is House Bill 1935, Representative Daniels - Koehler. Clerk, read the Bill"

"House Bill 1935, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act in relationship to the Department of Energy and Natural Resources. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Koehler".

"Thank you very much, Madam Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 1935 is an Act that authorizes the Illinois Department of Energy and Natural Resources to acquire land for the superconducting supercollider and to sell or transfer the land to the United States Department of Energy. It creates the Superconducting Supercollider Fund which may be used to deposit grants or donations for project work on the collider. This particular Bill is very important for the future of Illinois and our developing as a high technology state and attracting those industries that use the high technology that we have to offer. This legislation would allow the State of Illinois to proceed with our attempts to... to attain the federal contracts for the 67  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 superconducting supercollider. That would mean a four billion dollar investment in the State of Illinois by the Federal Government. It would help us to bring back to Illinois some of the federal dollars that we have been sending out to Washington, D.C. and mean a tremendous investment in Illinois, not only presently, but for the future of our state. I would be glad to answer any questions."

"The Lady has moved for the passage of House Bill 1935. And on that question, is there any discussion? There being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 1935 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. This is final action. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 116 voting 'aye', none voting 'no' and none voting 'present'. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 2202, Representative McMaster. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2202, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative McMaster."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. This Bill was generated by the deannexation of a part of a school district from one district and the annexation to another district. There is no current law in regard to situations such as this. It has been a difficult process to go through it and allow these people to go to school where they wanted to. For that reason, we introduced a Bill and it has been amended since then by Representative Satterthwaite from the Elementary and Secondary Education Committee to take care of future annexations. And I think that we realize what the trend and desire for larger schools; that we will in 68  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 the future, perhaps, have reason to need laws such as this."

"The Gentleman has moved for the passage of House Bill 2202. And on that question, is there any discussion? There being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 2202 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. This is final action. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 106 voting 'aye', 7 voting 'no' and none voting 'present'. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 2434, Representative Tate. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2434, a Bill for an Act relating to the Department of Transportation. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Tate."

"Yes, I'd like to ask leave to bring this Bill back to Second for the purpose of an Amendment."

"Representative Tate asks leave to bring this Bill back to the Order of Second Reading for the purposes of an Amendment. Does the Gentleman have leave? Hearing no objection, the Gentleman has leave. This Bill is on the Order of Second Reading. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 2434, which is a Bill for an Act relating to the Department of Transportation, now on the Order of Second Reading. Amendment #1, to amend House Bill 2434 on page one and so forth."

"Amendment #1, Representative Tate. Representative Ewing. Excuse me."

"Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, the Pontiac sewage treatment plant is built on property that we found out when we went to get our bond money was partially owned by the Department of Corrections back about the turn 69  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 of the century and never transferred to the city. The city provides sewage treatment for the correctional institution and there is an agreement between the city and the Department to buy this ground for 500 dollars so that the city can continue with their expansion of the sewage treatment plant and issue their bonds. And I would ask for the adoption of this Amendment."

"The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of Amendment #1 to House Bill 2434. And on that question, the Gentleman from Kankakee, Representative Pangle."

"Thank you, Mr. (sic - Madam) Speaker. Would the Sponsor yield, please?"

"The Sponsor will yield for a question."

"How much is that property worth? Do you have any idea?"

"Well, I really don't know. It's down in the river bottom, and it does flood. I suppose if the state wants to operate a sewage treatment plant, it would be worth quite a bit. I would say that if they don't, it's not worth over 500 dollars."

"What we are doing is actually the state is turning over some property to a local municipality, is that..."

"That's correct."

"And it's on the river. How many acres of property are we talking about?"

"I think two acres."

"Okay. I appreciate the response. Thank you."

"There being no further discussion, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #1 to House...' Excuse me. The Gentleman from Madison, Representative McPike. No, he does not seek recognition? The question is, 'Shall Amendment #1 to House Bill 2434 be adopted?' All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Amendment's adopted. 70  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 Are there any further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2, Hallock - Giorgi, amends House Bill..."

"Representative Hallock."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Members of the House. Along Highway 20, which is East State Street in Rockford, Illinois on the east side of the city, we have a development going up there, a major shopping center. This Bill would allow the transfer of the easement rights for access only. The appraisal price is 70,800 dollars, and we are, by this legislation, conveying from the state to the developer for the amount of 70,800 dollars for that property. I'd ask for your support."

"The Gentleman has moved for the passage of Amendment #2... or adoption of Amendment #2 to House Bill 2434. And on that question, the Lady from Champaign, Representative Satterthwaite."

"Madam Speaker, I don't have a copy of the Amendment, but let me ask for clarification. Are we talking in any portion of this Bill about conveying land to individuals, or are we only talking about conveying land to other public bodies?"

"This is actually a conveyance to both. The property... the amount of property being conveyed is only a very slight amount for ingress and egress to the property itself. That has been appraised at 70,800 dollars. The developers are going to pay that amount to the state for that property."

"That is in Amendment #2."

"Yes."

"I think I really need to ask Representative Ewing, in regard to the property in the main Bill. Is it being conveyed to indivduals or to... to public bodies?"

"Well, we're discussing now Amendment #2 which really 71  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 doesn't deal with other subjects beyond this one aspect in Rockford. So I would ask that we adopt Amendment #2 and then perhaps we can entertain your question."

"Okay."

"There being no further discussion, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #2 to House Bill 2434 be adopted?' All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Are there any further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments".

"Representative... The Gentleman from Madison, Representative McPike."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Before the Bill is advanced to Third Reading, I would inquire whether or not the appraisals that deal with the original Bill and the appraisals that are needed for Amendment #2 have been filed with the Clerk."

"Mr. Clerk, can you advise us as to that? Excuse me. Representative Tate, for what reason do you rise?"

"The Gentleman's question. The Department has filed the appraisals on the original Bill and..."

"Well, the Clerk can tell us that, Mr. Tate. Mr. Clerk, tell us what's on file. Representative Tate, we do not have appraisals on file in the Clerk's Office. We would like to hold this Bill on the Order of Second Reading while we check with the Committee file to see that it is on file. The rule of the House provides that Bills should not come out of Committee without the appraisal filed, and in the event that it does, it should not move from Second to Third until it is on file. Representative Mays, for what reason do you rise?"

"Just on that point. When the Bill itself came before the 72  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 Transportation Committee, we, both the Chairman and myself, were assured by the Department of Transportation that appraisals where pertinent were filed on the Bill itself. The question really comes down to these two Amendments in my mind, and it's my understanding that in Representative Ewing's case the Amendment did not require one because it was transferred to a local unit of government. In Representative Hallock's case, there was an Amendment filed... or..."

"When those appraisals are shown to the Clerk, we will certainly come back to this and move it to Third Reading and have it heard. Okay? Representative Ewing, for what reason do you rise?"

"You didn't... weren't expecting an appraisal on the first Amendment."

"No, we were not. Representative McPike."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Amendment #2 changes the title and; therefore, the Bill should be moved to Second Reading First Legislative Day."

"You are within your rights to request that, so the Bill will remain on ... will be moved to Second Reading First Legislative Day. Ladies and Gentlemen, we are changing the Order of Business with the agreement of both sides. Oh, excuse me. Representative Cullerton is back now. So we can go back to his Bill that was on this Order of Business of Land Acquisition and that is House Bill 1540. Representative McCracken, for what reason do you rise?"

"Point of order. I don't believe that #2 does change the title. It may add a title, but it doesn't change the title."

"Representative, we are on a different Bill. We will look at that and get back to you if that is the case. 73  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 The Bill that has been called is House Bill 1540, Representative Cullerton. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 1540, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act to permit certain municipalities to utilize quick-take eminent domain procedures. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Cullerton".

"I would ask to bring that Bill back for Second Reading for purposes of an Amendment."

"The Gentleman asks leave to return this Bill to the Order of Second Reading for the purposes of an Amendment. And on that question, is there any discussion? There being no discussion, the Bill is on Second Reading. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 1540, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act to permit certain municipalities to utilize quick-take eminent domain procedures, on the Order of Second Reading. Floor Amendment #3, Cullerton, amends House Bill 1540."

"Representative Cullerton."

"Has Amendment #2 been adopted or withdrawn?"

"Mr. Clerk, can you advise us?"

"If it's been withdrawn, that's fine. I want to withdraw it. So we can just go to Amendment #3."

"Amendment #2 was withdrawn, Representative Cullerton. So, proceed with Amendment #3."

"Yes, Amendment #3 was recommended by the Realtors' Association, and its' agreed, to limit the area in which this quick-take power may be exercised. It's now limited to the area that would be covered by the Southwest Rapid Transit Line. So, I move for the adoption of Amendment #3."

"The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of Amendment #3 to House Bill 1540. And on that question, is there any discussion? There being no discussion, the 74  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 question is, 'Shall Amendment #3 to House Bill 1540 be adopted?' All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Are there any further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Representative Cullerton now asks leave to for immediate consideration of the Bill. Are there any objections? Representative McCracken, for what reason do you rise?"

"Point of order. I believe this changes the title, and I ask that it be returned to Second Reading First Day."

"Representative McCracken, do you seek recognition? Representative Cullerton, for what reason do you rise?"

"Yes, just to clarify for Representative McCracken. Amendment #1 changed the title. That was adopted in Committee, and that's been on the Calendar for three days. Amendment #3 did not change the title, because Amendment #1... it's consistent with Amendment #1. So, for that reason... And I... I know you're..."

"Representative McCracken."

"Representative Cullerton is correct."

"The Gentleman withdraws his objection. The Bill can, therefore, be moved to the Order of Third Reading. And Representative Cullerton asks leave to have this Bill heard immediately. There being no objection, this Bill will be heard on Third Reading immediately. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 1540, a Bill for an Act to amend the Code of Civil Procedure. Third Reading of the Bill"

"Representative Cullerton."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of 75  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 the House. This Bill, House Bill 1540, simply gives the CTA quick-take eminent domain authority for the Southwest Rapid Transit Line. Move for the passage of House Bill 1540."

"The Gentleman has moved for the passage of House Bill 1540. And on that question, is there any discussion? There being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 1540 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. This is final action. Have all voted who wish? The Gentleman from Winnebago, Representative Hallock."

"Madam Speaker, Members of the House, I'd just like to say that ifthis is an important issue to Representative Cullerton. We on this side of the aisle are happy to help him out in his district."

"Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 102 voting 'aye', 13 voting 'no' and none voting... and 1 voting 'present'. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative McCracken, in response to your inquiry with regard to House Bill 2434, the Amendment that was adopted to that Bill added to the title. The rule provides that should the title be amended, any Member may request that it be moved back to Second Reading First Legislative Day. So, the Gentleman was within his rights for making that request. Ladies and Gentlemen, we are now going to the Order of Business dealing with Gasohol. It appears on page 23 on your Calendar. House Bills Third Reading. House Bill 753, Representative Steczo. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 753, a Bill for an Act in relationship to the taxation of gasohol and amending certain Acts herein named. Third Reading of the Bill." 76  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985

"Representative Steczo."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Members of the House. House Bill 753 has been the product or the subject, rather, of intensive discussions over the past three to four weeks on the question of a continued four percent subsidy for gasohol sales in the State of Illinois. And as we all know, that four percent subsidy comes directly from the General Revenue Fund in terms of lost revenues to that Fund. Over the past three weeks, this subject has been discussed for many an hour, and the result of those discussions is before us today as Amendment #6 on House Bill 753. In its present form, House Bill 753 provides that upon the Governor signing the Bill, that the subsidy on gasohol will be reduced by one percent. This will mean approximately an additional one million dollars per month to the General Revenue Fund. The Bill also provides that on June 1, 1986, the subsidy will again be decreased by another one percent, leaving the state subsidy at two percent. The Bill also provides that the Department of Revenue shall maintain records on the amount of gasohol sold in the State of Illinois so we can get a proper perspective of the market share. It was brought out during the discussions that we had had that gasohol and ethanol production, a once burgeoning indusry in the State of Illinois, now enjoys a 25 percent market share. The reason for the Department of Revenue maintaining records is to keep track of that market share and to determine whether or not that market share would increase and decrease, and it's a factor really complicated by the federal lead ban and the legislation on the lead ban that's been proposed here in Illinois. We then would have a better means by which to keep track of the market share advantage that gasohol and ethanol enjoys. The one percent that would be effective as 77  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 of the signing of this legislation actually represents that one percent, we feel, that was supposed to have been taken off last year when the Federal Government raised their exemption by one cent. House Bill 753 right now is a product of the discussions that have taken place. Representative Ewing had indicated yesterday that not everybody was happy so; therefore, it must be good. I guess we will suggest that that's the case, but I think right now House Bill 753 is in the posture where it's the best that anybody could get. And I would move for its passage at this time and would answer any questions, Madam Speaker."

"The Gentleman has moved for the passage of House Bill 753. And on that question, the Gentleman from Coles, Representative Weaver."

"Will the Sponsor yield?"

"He will yield for a question."

"Representative, who are the parties involved in this negotiation?"

"Representative Weaver, the parties involved were... were parties from the Ethanol Producers, from the Corn Growers, from the Petroleum Marketers and from the major oil companies and also from the less than major oil companies."

"Was the Farm Bureau involved?"

"The Farm Bureau was not, but my understanding is, and I know for a fact that the Farm Bureau was consulted every step along the way."

"Okay. Well, I've been getting a lot of inquiries from my Farm Bureau members back home, and I was wondering if they were a party to this and exactly how much I'm going to have to answer to them when I get back to the district."

"Representative, I will... I think you could take this to the bank that, with the Bill in its present form, that your 78  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 Farm Bureau, as well as the Corn Growers and others, would accept what's provided here. The Bill in its original form was opposed by the Farm Bureau."

"Are there any projections as to the impact it's going to have on corn producers and also the relationship to the deleading or the demandating of leaded gas in the U.S.? Is that..."

"Representative Weaver, the reason that the schedule is as such is because it's difficult to quantify exactly what effect that's going to have. It's our feeling that that lead ban would, in fact, enhance the market for ethanol because producers and marketers, petroleum marketers, would need to have some kind of an octane boost, etcetera, and ethanol provides an opportunity for them to do that. So we feel that the market for domestic corn products would, in fact, be enhanced. Because of the inability to be able to quantify that, it was our feeling that the second percentage should be taken off somewhere in the middle of the time the federal requirement goes to .01 next January and the time the lead credits would end in January of 1988. June 1, 1986 was the compromise that was put forth, and that's what's contained in the Bill."

"I understand that. Madam Speaker..."

"The Gentleman..."

"...to the Bill."

"Proceed."

"This is, I think, another indication of the best of a bad situation. We have seen several warning factions actually brought together and formulate in agreement, and I hope there are some provisions within this agreement that they will be able to get together and reevaluate the situation in the near future, next year. But I think this is a very worthwhile effort, and I think Representative 79  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 Steczo is to be congratulated on getting these parties together."

"The Gentleman from Fulton, Representative Homer."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen. I also would join in support of the measure. There are actually two Bills under consideration. There will be this, House Bill 753, which will be followed by House Bill 1090 and which Representative Hannig is the Chief Sponsor. The two Bills together really represent, I think, the best thinking on what we can do to promote the ethanol industry in the State of Illinois without giving an unfair advantage to that industry over the competing concerns. I think maybe some of us aren't aware of the importance of the ethanol business to the State of Illinois and our economy. I'm aware of it because I have in my district some ethanol producers, Pekin Energy, Midwest Solvents and ADM, and so I know of the direct jobs that are created through this industry. But it affects much more than just those areas who have ethanol plants, and there are really very few industries, new industries in Illinois which are as promising and have as many offshoots and side beneficial effects as the ethanol business. And I might mention, I notice the Order of Business is Gasohol. That's sort of an antiquated term. We're now calling it ethanol. And the ethanol industry is very important. Just to give you just a very specific example of what it's doing for the economy of the State of Illinois, currently, under current production, in the ethanol business we're consuming 120 million bushels of Illinois corn per year. That's ten percent of the entire corn produced in the State of Illinois. That has been estimated to result in an increase in the price per bushel of corn of 15 cents per bushel. It 80  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 really should be more, but at least it's an increase of 15 cents per bushel of corn. It also employs this business 3400 workers in the State of Illinois, either directly or as in an allied industry. We consumer, and this is important for those Representatives who are in coal producing parts of the state, this industry is consuming 350,000 tons of Illinois coal per year are used in the manufacture of ethanol. That's Illinois coal. This business has generated 68 million dollars in new wages in Illinois, in payrolls in the State of Illinois. So, everyone in this room is impacted by the ethanol business. And I believe that the agreement that's been reached on the phaseout of the exemption of the ethanol sales tax exemption is one that meets with the industry expectations. It's an agreement between the diverse parties and that, along with the Bill that Representative Hannig is about to present, certainly is a step in the right direction and is one that is going to benefit the entire economy in the State of Illinois in a substantial manner. So, I would join in asking for your support for this Bill and the next Bill."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Vitek."

"Madam Speaker, I move the previous question."

"The Gentleman has moved the previous question. The question is, 'Shall the main question be put?' All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the main question is put. Representative Steczo, to close."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Members of the House. I appreciate the comments of those who expressed their support of House Bill 753. And just let me indicate to the Members, as I move for passage, that when our subsidy on gasohol was first approved by the General Assembly a few 81  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 years back, it was estimated that the cost to the State General Revenue Fund would be approximately six million dollars. And the justification was to assist to establish a new industry for the State of Illinois. That subsidy has worked. And the projected losses to the General Revenue Fund next year are approximated to be approximately 50 million dollars. Everybody agreed that the subsidy at its current level is too high. What Repre... What is presented to you here in House Bill 753 reflects that opinion and, under the circumstances, was the best that we could get, and I move for its passage."

"The question is, 'Shall House Bill 753 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? The Gentleman from Livingston, Representative Ewing, one minute to explain your vote."

"Madam Speaker, everything has been said that probably needs to be on this Bill. It is, I think, an agreed Bill, and I was told by Farm Bureau's representatives down here that they were certainly not opposed to this compromise."

"Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 104 voting 'aye', 8 voting 'no' and none voting 'present'. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 1090, Representative Hannig. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 1090, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act relating to gasohol. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Hannig."

"Yes, thank you, Madam Speaker and Members of the House. This Bill is the second part of the gasohol package that was agreed to by all the various parties. Basically, as Representative Steczo has said, it is important that we 82  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 make some change in the exemption that we had given to gasohol. Two years ago, this Body came forward and provided the incentive for Illinois to become the largest producer of gasohol in our country. We provided the tax incentives for the gasohol business to grow and prosper in Illinois. Since that time, the Federal Government has come forward and they have put in place incentives to help gasohol. We've seen a change in the market for gasohol; and, as a result, we now find that the market is becoming distorted and that we really don't need to give the gasohol producers as much an incentive as they had in the past. All we're trying to do here is fine tune the Act to try to provide the right amount of incentives and not distort the free market system to allow our gasohol people to compete, to make a profit, to grow, to produce more jobs for our state and, yet, let the conventional gasoline companies continue to compete as well. The Bill also benefits our Illinois farmers because it prohibits gasohol produced in a foreign country from receiving the benefits of the subsidy. What's happening at this time is we're seeing Brazil, which manufacturers a large amount of gasohol, come to Illinois and put that gasohol in the market and be eligible for that subsidy. We're saying by this they can bring that gasohol here if they want to from Brazil and they can compete with us, but we're not going to give them the benefit of our tax subsidy. So that provision is in the Bill. It also has a reciprocity agreement that says when other states give tax exemptions to Illinois when we sell gasohol there, we will do that for those firms, but we will not allow them to bring in their gasohol from other states and receive the benefit of Illinois tax dollars if they won't do the same for us. So, those are the three main provisions. The Bill is agreed to by all parties. It is a good thing for 83  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 Illinois business, for Illinois farmers, and I move for its adoption."

"The Gentleman has moved for the passage of House Bill 1030. And on that question, the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Leverenz."

"Sponsor yield?"

"He will yield for a question."

"Would you draw me a nice mental picture so I can understand? You brought up the fact that it's imported from Brazil. Is that methanol or ethanol? Columbian red."

"Representative Hannig."

"Yes. What we're trying to do in the Bill is to only provide the subsidy, that is, only make this subsidy available to grain products that are manufactured here in the United States because some of the big oil companies are bringing in or trying to bring in Brazilian gasohol and we're not wanting to use Illinois tax dollars to subsidize that product."

"Are they bringing in Brazilian gasohol, or are they bringing in methanol or ethanol? And who is getting the advantage? Is it not true then that what you are doing is placing ADM and maybe one or two other competitors in that business of blending in the drivers seat, and a distributor that may want to blend with Brazilian methanol will be at a disadvantage? Is that correct?"

"They're bringing in the ethanol, to answer the first part of you question. What we're saying is 'ethanol', which is made from Illinois corn primarily here in the midwest is the crop... is the product that we're trying to encourage. We're not trying to encourage foreign people to bring in ethanol in Brazil or from wherever and sell it here in Illinois. We're trying to encourage Illinois farmers to work with the Illinois business community to 84  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 produce and manufacture and sell ethanol from Illinois."

"So the Brazilians are bringing in ethanol."

"Yes."

"And they are blending... There are distributors that are blending ethanol."

"In Brazil, ethanol is produced and used in that economy, and it's highly subsidized by that country, and they're trying to make an effort to bring it into this country and qualify for our incentive for gasohol for ethanol here."

"With the retail gasoline station, then, if it is supposedly selling ethanol, an ethanol mixed gasohol, or is there a difference between that and methanol blended gasohol?"

"Methanol generally comes from, like, wood or products of that nature, where ethanol is primarily from the cereal kind of grains like corn."

"But there is a difference."

"That's correct, yeah. And my point... "

"And if they sell it as one type of gasohol, it is taxed less than the other type of gasohol. Is that correct?"

"Yeah. That's correct."

"And that... There are people in the marketplace that are selling it as methanol mixed, and they're really using ethanol, and they, in fact, are ripping the state, because the Department of Revenue is going to start holding people criminally responsible at the retail gasoline station level. Did you know that?"

"We're trying to ensure that ethanol produced in Illinois receives the subsidy and not ethanol or methanol produced in Brazil."

"What is the break, then, in actual dollars and cents, that your Bill 1090 will provide in actual dollars and 85  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 cents, so many cents on the dollar break? And then, what does that equal annualized?"

"Well basically, this agreement provides for what Representative Steczo has in his Bill, which was my Bill... Let me just say that the agreement provides for what we already passed, what Representative Steczo..."

"What's the dollars and cents? How many pennies on the dollar are we then going to give a break to an Illinois business?"

"I believe that it's one cent... one percent immediately after or 30 days after the Governor signs it and another one cent June 30 or June 1 of next year."

"Is that a penny a gallon?"

"I believe it's one cent or roughly a penney."

"And annualized, how much money does it amount to? Representative Steczo says it's something different."

"Excuse me. Excuse me, Representative Leverenz. Representative Ewing, for what reason do you interrupt?"

"Well, Madam Speaker, I'm interested in this Bill. There's a lot of noise in the House. The Sponsor is mumbling to the Gentleman behind him, and nobody's getting any of it. I might learn something about it if I could hear them."

"That is a good point, Representative Proceed, Representative Leverenz."

"Thank you. I simply ask the Sponsor to tell the Members of the Assembly what type of price advantage an Illinois entity is going to receive. Is it a penny, and how much is it totally? Is it a two million dollar break, a three billion dollar break to those manufacturers?"

"Excuse me, Representative Leverenz. Representative Steczo indicates that he believes he can answer your question, so Representative Steczo." 86  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Under the provisions of the Bill that was just passed, the schedule of the phase out of the subsidy would be one percent immediately, one percent January '86, two percent to stay on until the expiration date of the subsidy in... on January 1, 1993. Cost-wise, it's estimated that next year, the cost to the State General Revenue Fund, with the four percent subsidy that we have now, is approximately 48 million dollars. So you can say that it's about a million dollars per month per percent. So under the provisions of House Bill 753, immediately upon signing of the Bill, the state will increase its coffers by a million dollars per month. The subsidy to the industry would be approximately 36 million dollars, or three million dollars per month."

"So it's a 48 million dollar subsidy? Is that what you said?"

"Under the laws, it presently is, today."

"And it will increase, or decrease?"

"Well, the sales tax will increase, which means the subsidy will decrease by one percent immediately, which will be a savings to the state of approximately a million dollars per month, or 12 million dollars per year."

"And is that a gasohol blended with ethanol or methanol?"

"Ethanol."

"Ethanol only."

"My understanding is ethanol."

"Do you know... Well, to the Bill, Madam Speaker. I think we should do away, first of all, with the tax advantages of this to an Illinois entity. In the first place, I don't know that it's necessary, but in the second place, it is totally unruly in terms of trying to make a retailer, and there is three or four cases - I think one is 87  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 in Representative Davis' district - where the person is selling a methanol blended gasohol, asking then, it to be recognized as an ethanol and getting a break of a couple of pennies or a penny per gallon, and if you go through the number of gallons, you'll find the amount of tax advantage to one and loss to another, and there is no way to adequately apply the law from the Department of Revenue's standpoint. I talked with Director Johnson this morning. He indicated that specifically. The retailer, if he has one and think it is the other, he is criminally responsible for what he pumps, so there is broad implications here as well as the tax break or the untax break to the other guy, and I'm really confused about the thing, but if we passed one, maybe we don't have to pass this one. Thank you."

"The Gentleman from Edgar, Representative Woodyard."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Question of the Sponsor, please."

"He will yield for a question. Representative Hannig will yield for a question."

"Representative, I... a little like the last speaker, I'm a little confused as to exactly what the posture of the Bill is. We adopted an Amendment on this Bill yesterday."

"No, we did not."

"We did not adopt the Amendment?"

"That's correct."

"Then, there's no diesel differential in the Bill."

"That's correct."

"Okay. Then, a question on the Bill. Are you saying that the ethanol has to be, or the alcohol has to be distilled in the State of Illinois, within the Bill?"

"We're saying a couple of things. One is that we will... we will give to states outside of Illinois a reciprocity 88  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 when they bring gasohol into Illinois for sale. That is, if they give us a break on gasohol that we sell in Indiana or Ohio, we will do the same for them. Okay?"

"Now, in that same area of the alcohol distilled in Illinois, from cereal grains or byproducts, does that have to be produced in Illinois?"

"We give all Illinois productions the tax break. We give tax breaks to production from any other state which gives it to us. Now, we're not saying that the grain has to be grown in Illinois, I suppose, but..."

"It almost looks to me like, in the Bill, that you're saying that the grain has to be produced also in Illinois. And if that is the case, I don't know how you could determine whether the ethanol or the alcohol was distilled from grain produced in Illinois."

"No, we're talking about the manufacture of the alcohol, although I think it's fair to say that most of the grain will be purchased within a reasonably local area."

"Well yes, I agree with that, but in the case of distillers who are close to the state line, there's no way on earth you could tell if that was... whether that was produced in this state or not."

"We're simply trying to say that it has to be done with a cereal grain because Brazil uses sugar cane. We want to try to promote Illinois corn or corn from the midwest."

"I understand that, but..."

"The Gentleman from Dunn, Representative.. The Gentleman from Macon, Representative Dunn."

"Will the Sponsor yield for a question?"

"He will yield for a question."

"Against the background of all this discussion, what are you doing with this subsidy? Are you decreasing it, leaving it alone, or increasing it?" 89  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985

"There's been an agreement amongst all the people in the industry and who have a concern with it, that the subsidy at the present time has done a good job, and it has done what we wanted, and it is too high in light of the fact the Federal Government has put a subsidy in place, and there's been a no lead ban that will probably increase the use of ethanol. So what this is doing is, it's, over a period of time, reducing the subsidy so it would be more money in the road fund, and it won't really hurt the gasohol industry, because they agree that they can live with this agreement."

"Thank you."

"The Gentleman from Madison, Representative Wolf."

"Madam Speaker, I move the previous question."

"Representative Wolf moves the previous question. The question is, 'Shall the main question be put?' All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the main question is put. Representative Hannig to close."

"Well, thank you, Madam Speaker. Would you let Representative Homer close on this?

"Representative Homer will close."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen. I think there's been some degree of confusion about what House Bill 1090 does. Let me... It does basically, as I understand it, three simple things. First of all, it provides that if, in fact, the federal exemption for ethanol should increase, if the feds grant more of an exemption for ethanol in the State of Illinois, then the State of Illinois exemption shall decrease correspondingly so as to maintain the overall exemption and to make certain that it does not increase. Secondly, it provides that the 90  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 exemption shall apply only to grain distilled ethanol. Now, as I understand it, that can be grain produced in any state or manufactured in any state, so long as it's grain. But it would not allow the exemption for ethanol that was produced by something other than grain, such as sugar cane. Now, it just so happens that the only producers of ethanol by the use of sugar cane happened to come from Brazil, but if, in fact, there is sugar cane produced ethanol in the United States, it also would be disqualified. And the obvious import there, as we want to encourage the use and production of Illinois and other corn or grain in the United States, not sugar cane from Brazil. And finally, in a totally unrelated provision of the Bill, there is a reciprocity feature that says that if another state allows a different exemption or a lesser exemption than the State of Illinois, and that Illinois distillers, when selling their ethanol in those states, only receive, say for example in Indiana, a one percent exemption, then in that case, when Indiana producers or distillers sell their ethanol in Illinois, they would also be limited to the one percent exemption and not receive the benefit of the greater Illinois exemption. That's just very simply to protect Illinois manufacturers, Illinois distillers, and that's all that this Bill does. I certainly think it fits very well with Representative Steczo's Bill, and I would urge your adoption."

"The Gentleman has moved for the passage of House Bill 1090. The question is, 'Shall House Bill 1090 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. This is final action. The Gentleman from Livingston, Representative Ewing, one minute to explain your vote."

"Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I 91  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 certainly don't want any indication that this is an agreed Bill or there's any compromise with, at least, this party as compared to the last Bill on this same subject matter. I question the wisdom of the 'Buy Illinois' type provisions in this Bill. I think they certainly are going to be very difficult to enforce, and that we could go along very well without this legislation."

"Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 91 voting 'aye', 20 voting 'no', and 6 voting 'present'. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Ladies and Gentlemen, we are going to the Order of House Bills Third Reading - Cultural Assistance. It appears on page 26 on your Calendar. The first Bill is House Bill 142. With leave of the Assembly, we will come back to that Bill, as there are Amendments that are not yet printed. Hearing no objection, there is leave. House Bill 401, Representative Keane. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 401, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Library System Act. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Keane."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. House Bill 401 sets up a system for allocating public library construction grant funds under the Illinois Library Systems Act. The Bill specifies the main Chicago Public Library can receive up to 50 percent of the total state appropriation in any one year for library construction, and that the public libraries in any one system can receive up to 50 percent of this appropriation."

"The Gentleman has moved for the passage of House Bill 401. And on that question, is there any discussion? There being no discussion, the question is, 92  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 'Shall House Bill 401 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. Representative Rice asks to be voted 'aye'. There are, therefore, 84 voting 'aye', 33 voting 'no', . and none voting 'present'. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 1353, Representative Brookins. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 1353, a Bill for an Act to amend the Civil Administrative Code. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Brookins. Representative Brookins."

"Yes, Madam Speaker and Members of this Assembly, this will establish, at the DuSable Museum, a 500 seat auditorium and a gallery - a legislative gallery - where the men and women that have served so proudly in this General Assembly works will be displayed. With that, I ask for approval of this Bill."

"The Gentleman moves for the passage of House Bill 1353. And on that question, is there any discussion? We're waiting for the board to clear. The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Piel, on the Bill."

"My apologies, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I'm sorry, Representative Brookins. We didn't really hear your explanation of the Bill. Could you go over it one more time, please?"

"Representative Brookins, would you repeat your explanation of the Bill?"

"Yes. This Bill will provide for a 500 seat auditorium and a gallery - legislative gallery - at the DuSable Museum in Chicago, and that I'm asking for passage of this Bill."

"The Gentleman from Kendall, Representative 93  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 Hastert, on the Bill."

"A legislative gallery. Would the Sponsor yield? A legislative gallery?"

"Yes, for the Members that have served so proudly in this General Assembly."

"Is that works by Members, or pictures, or what?"

"It will be pictures. It will be of their 'memorabitoes' (sic - memorabilia). It would be all the things that have been gathered over the years from such people like Corneal Davis, who served in this House for 36 years. You can imagine the things that he has accumulated that would be of interest of the folks that visit the museum. Cecil Partee..."

"Representative Leverenz, and people like that, too, and Abraham Lincoln served, and those types of things?"

"Abraham Lincoln is already there, and if Leverenz contribute and want to come there, we welcome him."

"The Gentleman form Cook, Representative Piel, who I cut off earlier, I understand."

"Will the Gentleman yield?"

"He will yield for another question."

"What is the approximate cost of this, Representative?"

"At present, it's figured right at two and a half million dollars."

"Pardon me?"

"Two and a half million dollars. 2.5."

"2.5 million dollars. Now, where is this... Is this already in an appropriation?"

"There is an accompanying appropriation Bill, and this falls right in line with our good Governor's Bill, Build Illinois, and this will be part of that."

"Okay, if it's part of Build Illinois, why don't we have it in the substantive legislation for Build Illinois." 34  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985

"You will have."

"Well, then. No. But, you mean, you're talking about the appropriation. I'm talking about the substantive legislation that we're looking at right now. Why isn't it..."

"You have the substantive legislation in your hand."

"I'm not asking for smart remarks. I'm just asking for intelligent remarks."

"Well, I..."

"I'm asking why do you have this Bill instead of putting it on to the Build Illinois Program. You're saying that... You wanted part of Build Illinois, but Build Illinois has substantive legislation beside appropriations."

"It is in your hand, as I mentioned, . Mr. Piel, and that's the best I can answer. I don't know why."

"To the Bill, Madam Speaker."

"Proceed."

"Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I reluctantly stand in opposition to this Bill. The Gentleman's talking about 2.5 million dollars. It's a situation where he wants to put through a special Bill instead of putting it on the Build Illinois Project like the rest of us are doing. It's... Technically speaking, this money is going - if you'll read - this money is going, the 2.5 million dollars is going to the Chicago Park District. The question I would have is, what happens if the auditorium only costs a million five? We've just given 2.5 to the Chicago Park District. I think that this is a laudable effort on the Sponsor's part, but I think it's a situation when you sit here and you look at, you know, 2.5, it's something that could be used for public aid or education or, put in the proper perspective, on the Build Illinois Project. And so, I would ask for a 'no' vote on 1353, Ladies and Gentlemen." 95  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985

"There being no further discussion, Representative Brookins to close."

"Yes, Ladies and Gentlemen, I ask that we undertake this project. What it will actually do is give the young folks in the poverty area the opportunity to form role models for people that have been successful, people that have accomplished things, and people that have contributed to the State of Illinois in time, energy and money. This will actually be administered by the Energy and National (sic - Natural) Resources, the people who do build museum, and all museums in this State of Illinois are interested in this Bill and have their... and I have their support in this. I know of no opposition nowhere to this project. And with that, I ask for a favorable vote. Thank you."

"The Gentleman has moved for the passage of House Bill 1353. The question is, 'Shall House Bill 1353 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. This is final action. Have all voted who wish? The Lady from Cook, Representative Alexander, one minute to explain your vote."

"Thank you. I would like to correct a statement that was made prior about the money could better be used for public aid. I did not know public aid was included in Build Illinois. If I'm incorrect, I stand corrected. I vote 'yes'."

"Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Lady from St. Clair, Representative Younge, one minute to explain your vote. Representative Younge, did you wish to explain your vote?"

"Yes, I do."

"Proceed."

"Historically, many blacks and minorities who have made valuable contributions to history have been traditionally 36  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 left out of the history books. Young children in Chicago and around the state would be greatly benefited by this auditorium at the DuSable Museum, because they would be able to go there and see the contributions that have been made by minority Legislators and others to the history of Illinois and America. Unless there are role models and images that young people can look forward to, then we don't have the inspiration, and we don't have the wanting to be a better person that makes a great American, and this is a very important Bill, and we ask for your support to correct this age-old thing of minorities not being in the history books. Thank you."

"Representative Piel, for what reason do you rise?"

"Just to mention that if this does reach the required number, that I want a verification."

"Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 61 voting 'aye', 52 voting 'no', and 4 voting 'present'. Representative Piel has asked for a verification of the Affirmative Roll. Proceed with a Poll of the Affirmative, Mr. Clerk."

"Poll of the Affirmative. Alexander. Berrios. Bowman. Braun. Breslin. Brookins. Brunsvold. Bullock. Capparelli. Cullerton. Currie. DeJaegher. DeLeo. Deuchler. Dunn. Farley. Flinn. Flowers. Giglio. Giorgi. Greiman. Hartke. Hicks. Homer. Huff. Keane. Kulas. Laurino. LeFlore. Leverenz. Levin. Matijevich. Mautino. McGann. McNamara. McPike. Nash. O'Connell. Panayotovich. Pangle. Phelps. Preston. Rea. Rice. Richmond. Ronan. Saltsman. Satterthwaite. Shaw. Soliz. Steczo. Stern. Sutker. Turner. Vitek. Washington. White. Wolf. Anthony Young. Wyvetter Younge. Mr. 97  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 Speaker."

"Do you have any questions of the Affirmative Roll, Mr. Piel? Representative Mautino asks leave to be verified. May the Gentleman be verified, Sir? He may. Representative Terzich, for what reason do you rise? Representative Terzich changes his vote from 'no' to 'aye'. Representative Van Duyne changes his vote from 'no'... from 'present' to 'aye'. Representative Christensen changes his vote from 'present' to 'aye'. Proceed, Mr. Piel."

"Question of the Chair. What are we starting with, Madam Speaker?"

"64 voting 'aye'."

"Thank you, Ma'am. Representative Berrios."

"Representative Berrios is in his chair."

"Representative Brunsvold."

"Representative Brunsvold is in the chamber."

"Representative Bullock."

"Representative Bullock. The Gentleman is not in the chamber. Remove him."

"Representative Currie."

"The Lady is in her chair."

"Representative DeJaegher."

"The Gentleman is in his chair."

"Representative DeLeo."

"The Gentleman is in his chair."

"Representative Farley."

"Representative Farley. Representative Farley is not in the chamber. Remove him. Representative Bullock has returned to the chamber. Add him to the Roll Call."

"Representative Flinn."

"The Gentleman is in his chair."

"Representative Giglio." 98  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985

"Representative Giglio. Representative Giglio. The Gentleman is not in the chamber. Remove him."

"Representative Giorgi."

"The Gentleman is in the chamber."

"Representative Greiman."

"Representative who?"

"Greiman."

"Representative.."

"Greiman."

"Greiman. Representative Greiman. The Gentleman is not in the chamber. Remove him."

"Representative Levin."

"Representative Levin. Representative Levin. The Gentleman is not in the chamber. Remove him."

"Representative McNamara."

"The Gentleman is in his chair."

"Representative Nash."

"The Gentleman is in his chair."

"Representative Phelps."

"The Gentleman is in his chair."

"Representative Preston."

"The Gentleman is in his chair."

"Representative Breslin... Oh, never mind. Representative Richmond."

"Representative Richmond is not voting. Excuse me. He is voting 'aye'. Is the Gentleman in his chair? Representative Richmond. The Gentleman is not in his chair. Remove him."

"Representative.. Did I ask you Preston?"

"Yes."

"Okay. Representative.. Saltsman."

"Representative Saltsman is in his... in the chamber." 99  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985

"Representative Satterthwaite."

"The Lady's in her chair."

"Representative Shaw."

"The Gentleman's in his chair."

"Representative Soliz."

"Representative Soliz. Representative Soliz. The Gentleman is not in the chamber. Remove him."

"Representative Terzich."

"Representative Terzich voted personally, as I believe. He got up and changed his vote from 'present' to 'aye'."

"He did not ask for leave, Madam Speaker. I'm asking if he's in the chamber."

"The Gentleman is not in the chamber. Remove him. Representative Greiman has returned. Add him to the Roll Call. Representative Panayotovich asks leave to be verified. Representative Giglio has returned to the chamber. Add him to the Roll Call."

"Representative Hicks."

"Representative Hicks. Representative Soliz has returned to the chamber. Add them to the Roll Call. Representative Hicks is in the chamber."

"Representative Van Duyne. Thank you. No further questions, Madam Speaker."

"Representative Van Duyne is in the chamber, and Representative Terzich has returned to the chamber. Add him to the Roll Call."

"No further questions, Madam Speaker."

"What is the count, Mr. Clerk? On this Bill, there are 61 voting 'aye', 50 voting 'no' and 2 voting 'present'. Representative Levin has returned to the chamber. We'll add him to the Roll Call. There are, therefore, 62 voting 'aye', 50 voting 'no', and 2 voting 100  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 'present'. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Ladies and Gentlemen, the Chair would like to go back to the Order of Land Acquisition. There is one Bill remaining. That Bill is House Bill 2434, Representative Tate's Bill. Representative Matijevich asks leave to suspend Rule 36(d) so that that Bill can be moved from Second Reading, First Legislative Day. It's 2434. And Representative Matijevich asks to suspend the rule 36(d) so that the Bill will move from Second Reading, First Legislative Day to Second Reading, Second Legislative Day. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk. Are there any objections to that Motion? Hearing no objection, the rule is waived. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 2434, a Bill for an Act relating to the Department of Transportation. This Bill has been read a Second Time previously."

"Are there any Motions filed or Amendments filed?"

"No Motions filed. No Amendments filed."

"Third Reading. Representative Tate now asks leave for immediate consideration of House Bill 2434 on Third Reading. The Bill has been amended. Are there any objections? There being no objections, the Bill will be heard immediately on Third Reading. Representative.. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 2434, a Bill for an Act relating to the Department of Transportation. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Tate."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 2434 authorizes the Department of Conservation... Transportation to convey certain land by quitclaim deed in Clark, Kankakee, Livingston and 101  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 Cumberland Counties to individuals. This chamber just heard Amendments 1 and 2 today. It's a noncontroversial Bill. It's the Department of Transportation's Bill. I ask for a favorable Roll Call."

"The Gentleman has moved for the passage of House Bill 2434. And on that question, is there any discussion? There being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 2434 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 116 voting 'aye', none voting 'no', and none voting 'present'. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Ladies and Gentlemen, we are changing the Order of Business to the Order of Banking. It appears on page 29 on your Calendar, House Bills Third Reading, under the Order of Banking. The first Bill is House Bill 419, Representative Cullerton - Zwick. Representative Cullerton. Excuse me, Ladies and Gentlemen, there was one Bill left on Cultural Assistance, so with leave of the Body, the Chair will go back to Cultural Assistance to hear that one Bill that you had already granted leave to be heard later on. That is House Bill 142, appearing on page 26 on your Calendar, under the Order of Cultural Assistance. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 142, a Bill for an Act to provide for state grants to certain public radio stations in the State of Illinois. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Representative Currie. Are there any Motions filed?"

"No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Amendments filed?" 102  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985

"Floor Amendment #1, offered by Representative Currie and Madigan."

"Representative Currie."

"Leave to withdraw Amendment 1."

"The Lady withdraws Amendment #1. Are there any further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2, offered by Representative Currie, amends..."

"Representative Currie."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker and Members of the House. The underlying Bill is one that provides a program of state support to public radio stations. The original proposal was modeled on a 1979 statute passed by this Assembly creating that kind of program for public television. Amendment 2 to House Bill 142 would organize both programs in the states in the same statute, repealing the work we did in 1979 to provide for an allocation formula for both public radio and public television grants organized in this fashion. Thirty percent of the funds would be awarded to every... every public radio and public television station across the state in equal sums. The remainder would be organized on a pro rata basis. As well, the Amendment would create an Illinois Public Broadcasting Council. I would appreciate your support for the Amendment, and I am happy to answer any questions."

"The Lady has moved for the adoption of Amendment #2 to House Bill 142. And on that question, the Gentleman from Will, Representative Davis."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I really didn't have too much of a problem... Yes? I just wanted a question. I didn't quite understand what you said, Representative Currie. Did you, indeed, have a... Did you say that Amendment #2 now includes public 103  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 television stations?"

"That was a statute we passed in 1979. This was a program modeled upon it. The idea, then, is to take this Bill which dealt initially only with a new program of support for public radio stations and organize the two programs in a single statute."

"Does it include all public television stations in the viewing area in Illinois?"

"All public television and all public radio stations."

"The question is, 'Shall House Bill... Shall Amendment #2 to House Bill 142 be adopted?' All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Are there any further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Representative Currie now asks leave for this Bill to be heard immediately on Third Reading. Are there any objections? Hearing no objections, the Lady has leave. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 142, a Bill for an Act to provide for state grants to certain public radio stations in the State of Illinois. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Currie."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker and Members of the House. This is a program modeled, as I say, on action the Assembly took in 1979 to provide for direct state support to public radio stations across the State of Illinois. As you know, there have been cuts at the federal level in programs for public broadcast subsidies. This is our way of picking up a program that the feds have begun to discontinue. As we build Illinois, it seems to me important to build our cultural resources, and I think a program of direct state support for public radio stations will help us maintain 104  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 that goal."

"The Lady has moved for the passage of House Bill 142. And on that question, is there any discussion? There being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 142 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? This is final passage. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 78 voting 'aye', 37 voting 'no', and 1 voting 'present'. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Ladies and Gentlemen, we will now go to the Order of Banking, House Bills Third Reading. The first Bill is House Bill 419, Representative Cullerton. With leave, we will come back to that Bill later on. House Bill 501, Representative Bullock. Representative Bullock. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 501, a Bill for an Act to amend the Foreign Banking Office Act. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Bullock."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 501 as amended basically allows the foreign banks to establish offices in secondary central business districts, which is partially within the existing central business district of Chicago. It's offered, in my estimation, as a compromise to allow a foreign bank corporation to locate within the foreign banking district, and to exercise the same type of banking practices that a domestic bank would exercise, with one exception, and that exception being that it would not give an unfair competitive advantage, edge over existing domestic banks, specifically those within 600 feet. So we have the 600 foot rule in this Bill. It would apply to foreign banks as 105  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 it applies to domestic banks. Madam Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I'd urge an 'aye' vote."

"The Gentleman has moved for the passage of House Bill 501. And on that question, the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Preston."

"The Gentleman will yield for a question."

"Representative Bullock, can you tell me who... what organizations have supported and which organizations are opposed to this Bill."

"Well, Representative Preston, if you know those who are opposed to it, I'd be glad to hear it. The ones that support it are most of the banks that belong to the Illinois Bankers' Association who initially require the 600 foot rule for domestic corporations."

"And have the community banks taken a position on the Bill?"

"Well, I've spoken to the members of the community bank, and they indicated to me they support it. I've not seen anything in writing, and they did not appear in Committee and testify in opposition."

"And no one... nobody testified in opposition in Committee?"

"That is correct."

"Thank you."

"The Gentleman from DeWitt, Representative Vinson."

"Madam Chairman, Members of the Assembly, I rise in opposition to this Bill. I believe that this Bill is a bad Bill. I think that what it does to the concept of foreign banking in Chicago is atrocious. I think the expansion of authority in the Banking Act is bad. It lets banks become involved in all kinds of things that they shouldn't be 106  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 involved in. If we're going to have a Banking Act that lets banks be sound, fundamental institutions and do the things banks are supposed to do, then banks ought to be in banking, not in the travel agency business and everything else, and I would strongly urge a 'no' vote on this Bill."

"The Lady from Kane, Representative Zwick. Representative Zwick. Go to the one next to you, please."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. First of all, would the Sponsor yield for a question?"

"He will yield for a question."

"Was Amendment #2 to House Bill 501, sponsored by Representative DeJaegher, adopted?"

"Yes, it was."

"Okay, then. I suppose I have two separate issues I'd like to address, because I would like to oppose this Bill on both Amendments that were adopted yesterday. Amendment #1, which Representative Vinson just talked about, is one that I did oppose in Committee when it was on another Bill of Representative Bullock's. It creates a secondary foreign banking zone within the City of Chicago which gives those banks within the foreign banking zone the authority to veto the idea of another bank opening within that foreign banking zone. It creates kind of an exclusive power within that banking zone that I don't believe should exist, and is really inconsistent with our current law. Amendment #2 is a whole separate issue which has never been discussed in either Committee or on the floor of this House, and is a major issue which the Representative has not even addressed and is on this Bill. Amendment #2, which was adopted yesterday, was sponsored by Representative DeJaegher and allows banks to expand into products and services. It allows them to become involved in the business of being a travel agency, of being an 107  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 income tax service, or going into the armored car business. Now, I think that this is an issue that needs to be thoroughly debated by the Financial Institutions Committee and by this House and is certainly not appropriate to be tacked onto a Bill as an Amendment without any discussion of the issue, and I would currently oppose the Bill and both Amendments."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Cullerton."

"Yes, I respectfully rise to oppose the Gentleman's Bill. There were basically two different approaches to the need to expand the central business district of the Foreign Banking Act. House Bill 419, which we will hear next, was the approach that I sponsored. Representative Bullock has another approach. I disagree with it. I don't believe that it's necessary to have a second central district with veto power for existing banks within 600 feet, and as a result, I would oppose the Gentleman's Bill and suggest that we support House Bill 419 which will be hopefully passed next."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Piel."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Unfortunately, the Bill that came out of Committee was okay, but once he put the Amendments on the Bill, you know, he has caused a situation to where... and I didn't have the slightest idea that #2 got on. I thought #2 was defeated. But somewhat repeating what one of the previous speakers said, you know, this is really opening up a can of worms when you start allowing the banks to go into the armored car business, the income tax service business, the travel agency business, and I would ask for a 'no' vote on 501."

"The Gentleman from Rock Island, Representative DeJaegher." 108  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985

"Thank you, Larry, for allowing me to have placed this Amendment on your Bill. What basically this Bill does is to conform with regulations and services this particular bank has addressed itself to a number of years. This bank has incorporated these services for a number of years, and all their intent is, that they continue being able to do these services. Travel service - I come from the City of East Moline. There was not a service that was provided by anyone pertaining to travel. This bank took it upon themselves to provide those services for them. It was a necessity in that community, and they've been doing it for a number of years. The next one was, they became involved in income tax services - services that the community sorely needed. It is a free enterprise system - hopefully it is. I don't feel that anyone should be unreceptive to people becoming involved in the free enterprise system, regardless of what their mode of implementation is. And also, for this particular bank, they also have the present services of the armored car facilities which basically is for their purposes, serving their auxiliary posting stations. And that's basically what the Amendment is. I see no problem with this. All of us address ourselves to establishing and maintaining the free enterprise system. This is a service that's already been provided by that institution, and through the graciousness of the Sponsor, I was able to put that Amendment in."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Bowman."

"Thank you. In response to the last speaker, let me just say, the reason that we have such prohibitions and laws is a very good one. That banks are engaged in the business - or should be in engaged in the business - of financing other businesses, and if they, themselves are entitled to 109  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 operate such things as armored car services and travel agencies and so forth, that they are engaged in a conflict of interest situation with respect to business development in their own communities, and this is something that Legislatures in the past have anticipated and have tried to guard against with prohibitions, and that's why we should keep the prohibition. We should not permit these financial institutions to be engaged in conflict of interest situations."

"The Gentleman from St. Clair, Representative Flinn."

"Madam Speaker, I move the previous question."

"Representative Flinn moves the previous question. The question is, 'Shall the main question be put?' All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the main question is put. Representative Bullock to close."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Assembly. House Bill 501 as amended does, in fact, address two separate subjects, which is not unusual in the House of Representatives. I did try to, and I'm attempting to accommodate, Representative DeJaegher with a problem that he has in his community, which is of extreme importance to him and I'm sure to other downstate communities, and in so doing, that becomes the Bill. The primary Section of the Bill, which is what I'm attempting to advance, is embodied in another Bill, House Bill 419. Representative Cullerton, distinguished Gentleman from Cook County, alluded to the fact that there are two ways in which to address the problem. I am attempting to address it one way, and his Bill attempts to address it another way. And I say to two of the speakers from the other side of the 110  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 aisle, I appreciate very much your polite but impertinent comments on this Bill. The fact of the matter is, you will vote for 419, which essentially addresses the Foreign Banking Act. In closing, Madam Speaker, I would just like to say that I've been around the House long enough to know, and Representative Greiman has convinced me that the shadow is everywhere, and I'd urge an 'aye' vote."

"The question is, 'Shall House Bill 501 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 20 voting 'aye', 88 voting 'no', and 9 voting 'present'. And this Bill, having failed to receive the necessary Majority, is hereby declared lost. Returning now to House Bill 419, Representative Cullerton. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 419, a Bill for an Act in relation to financial institutions. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Cullerton."

"Yes, thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I hope that this Bill has some better... better Amendments on it. This amends the Foreign Banking Office Act to extend the boundaries of the central business district of Chicago. That's what the Bill does, and then there are certain Amendments that were adopted. Representative Frederick adopted some Amendments dealing with the Banking Act, one that provides that the Commissioner of Banks and Trust Companies shall establish the amount of required capital, surplus and reserves, provides that any bank may eliminate cumulative voting rights, extends the basic lending limits of liabilities of Members to more than 20 percent of the amount of the capital of the bank and 20 percent of its surplus to 111  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 amounts loaned to joint ventures. It also provides that under the emergency sale of assets for a merger provision, a number of things - one, that no bank may be a purchasing bank in more than one sale of assets, that if the State Banking Commissioner has determined that an emergency exists and determines that a merger is absolutely necessary for the protection of the depositors and other creditors, that such a merger could take place and amends the Foreign Banking Act to also provide that if, in fact, a foreign banking corporation purchases the assets of a closed state or national bank, it may maintain a banking office outside the central business district of Chicago. Representative Mautino amended the Bill with Amendment #4, which deletes the paragraph... deletes from a... from Paragraph 6-106, Section C, language which allows a proprietary network owned and operated by one or more financial institutions or a bank holding company to hook up with another proprietary network located within that state. And finally, we had Amendment #6, which I adopted, which removes any discretionary power for state banks, savings and loans, or credit unions to insure deposits or shared accounts with other than federal insurance. That, of course, was in response to the Home State Savings Bank of Cincinnati being forced to close. This is a response to that particular situation."

"The Gentleman has moved for the passage of House Bill 419. And on that question, is there any discussion? There being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 419 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? This is final passage. Have all voted who wish? Representative Bullock, one minute to explain your vote." 112  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. In explanation of my vote, I stand in opposition to the Bill. I do not think that this is the way in which to enhance economic development in Illinois. Clearly, domestic institutions will be placed at an unfair competitive advantage if this legislation achieves fruition and reaches the Governor's desk. I think that is sufficient for the record, Madam Speaker. I appreciate your allowing me an opportunity to explain my vote."

"Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 107 voting 'aye', 3 voting 'no', and 6 voting 'present'. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 1313, Representative Mautino. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 1313, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Bank Holding Company Act. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Mautino."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 1313 is legislation that's been supported by the Office of the Commissioner of Banks and Trust Companies and the Independent Banks of Illinois. Basically, this authorizes the permit to organize the Independent Bankers' Bank, which was filed in March of this year. Our previous legislation on holding companies stated that you had to be in effect as a holding company ten years into the system. This legislation exempts that provision because these bankers have organized a bankers' bank. They are... The organizers are the State Bank of Arthur, the First State Bank of Calumet City, 'Durand' State Bank, American Heritage Bank of Granite City, the State Bank of Keysport, Valley Bank and Trust of South Elgin, and the 113  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 National Bank of Taylorville. I know of no opposition to the legislation. I move for the passage..."

"The Gentleman has moved for the passage of House Bill 1313. And on that question, is there any discussion? There being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 1313 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? This is final action. Representative Phelps, or Brunsvold, would you vote me, please? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 112 voting 'aye', none voting 'no', and 3 voting 'present'. This Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 1360, Representative Deuchler. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 1360, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Electronic Fund Transfer Transmission Facility Act. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Deuchler."

"Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, House Bill 1360 requires that in cases where a customer authorizes an electronic fund transfer, the transaction must occur by the end of the next business day after the entry of such debit has been made. Some financial institutions are taking unreasonable amounts of time to process fund transfers, and this Bill would require increased promptness. The Bill arose from a constituent complaint, and came out of Committee 18 to none... to 0."

"The Lady has moved for the passage of House Bill 1360. And on that question, the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Cullerton."

"Will the Sponsor yield for a question?"

"She will yield for a question."

"Who was that constituent?" 114  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985

"Someone in my district."

"Anybody related to you?"

"Yes."

"Okay. Thank you."

"There being no further discussion, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 1360 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? This is final action. Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 110 voting 'aye', none voting 'no', and 6 voting 'present'. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 1378, Representative Currie. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 1378, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Income Tax Act. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Currie."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker and Members of the House. This Bill... it makes technical corrections to Section 203 of the Illinois Income Tax Act. It's a response to changes at the federal tax level. When institutions were not charged on income from certain kinds of state and municipal bonds at the federal level, the Federal Internal Revenue Code changes required only an 80 percent deduction of expenses for financial institutions. That 80 percent carries over to the state level, but of course we do, at the state, level tax the income from those kinds of bond holdings by financial institutions. This Bill merely provides that the institutions may deduct 100 percent of the expenses that they incur by virtue of developing these monies."

"The Lady has moved for the passage of House Bill 1378. And on that question, is there any discussion? There being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall House 115  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 Bill 1378 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. This is final action. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 112 voting 'aye', none voting 'no', and 5 voting 'present'. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 1556, Representative Flinn. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 1556, a Bill for an Act in relation to certain credit transactions. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Flinn."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, House Bill 1556 takes the two present Acts of the Consumer Finance Act, the Consumer Installment Loan Act, and makes one Act out of it. What that essentially does is cause them to only have to buy one license as opposed to two, now. The first one I mentioned permits a loan limit of 0 to $3,000, the second from $800 to $10,000, and it doesn't make any sense. It causes them to have to have two licenses. We have made it one license and raised the fee enough to keep the affect off the state income, and I would move for the adoption of the Bill, and I know of no opposition."

"The Gentleman has moved for the passage of House Bill 1556. And on that question, is there any discussion? There being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 1556 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. This is final action. Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 108 voting 'aye', none voting 'no', and 7 voting 'present'. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 1641, Representative 116  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 Hastert. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 1641, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of an Act relating to certain investments of public funds by public agencies. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Hastert."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 1641 amends the Public Funds Investment Act. Basically, what this... Madam, may I move this Bill... leave to move this back to Second Reading?"

"The Gentleman asks leave to return this Bill to the Order of Second Reading for the purposes of an Amendment. Are there any objections? Hearing no objections, the Gentleman has leave. This Bill is on Second Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Amendment #1, offered by Representative Hastert."

"Representative Hastert."

"Thank you, Madam Chairman. Amendment #1 puts the... there was a limitation in the Bill for only two of the highest of the classifications. This puts it to three, which is in the current law right now."

"The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of Amendment #1 to House Bill 1641. And on that question, is there any discussion? There being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #1 to House Bill 1641 be adopted?' All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Are there any further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. The Gentleman now asks leave for immediate consideration of this Bill on Third Reading. Is there any objection? There being no objection, this 117  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 Bill will be heard immediately on Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 1641, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of an Act relating to certain investments of public funds by public agencies. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Hastert."

"Thank you, Madam Chairman, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 1641 amends the Public Funds Investment Act, and what the Bill does is to allow public agencies to invest in more than 25 percent of their total average balances. They were previously limited to have a 25 percent cap. This removes that cap, but these agencies would have to be at least the three highest classifications of commercial paper, and be approved by at least two standard rating services, and mature within 180 days from purchase."

"The Gentleman has moved for the passage of House Bill 1641. And on that question, is there any discussion? There being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 1641 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. This is final action. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 112 voting 'aye', none voting 'no', and 3 voting 'present'. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 1903, Representative Zwick. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 1903, a Bill for an Act in relation to fee disclosure by financial institutions. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Zwick."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. House Bill 1903 amends the 118  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 Illinois Banking Act and the Savings and Loan Act and creates a new requirement on all banks and savings and loans in Illinois requiring that they disclose to all non-commercial checking and savings customers all of the fees that they charge in relation to their services. We have worked out Amendments so that there is no objection to this Bill that I know of by any of the banking groups or anyone involved. I think it's a good consumer service Bill, and I would request your 'aye' vote."

"The Lady has moved for the passage of House Bill 1903. And on that question, the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Bullock."

"Madam Speaker, will the Sponsor yield for a question?"

"She will yield for a question."

"Representative Zwick, are you the Minority Spokesman on the Banking Committee?"

"Yes, I am."

"Have you discussed this with the Illinois Bankers' Association?"

"Yes, I have."

"And what is their position?"

"Their position, I believe, is either neutral... I believe it's neutral, or it may be in support of the Bill."

"You think... You think they might be in support?"

"Well, I know that they're neutral. I know that they're not opposed. They are either neutral or in support. I have not checked with them today on the Bill. But the reason that the Amendment was offered was at their request, and they said that they would withdraw any opposition that they had at one point to the Bill if I limited the fee disclosure to non-commercial customers, and that was my main intent, so I agreed to do that for them."

"Well, things do change in this Assembly, and I'm here 119  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 to tell you they don't support your Bill. The question is..."

"I don't think they oppose the Bill, though, Representative Bullock."

"Well, I just spoke to them as of late, and you can take my word for it. They don't support your Bill. They oppose it. The fact of the matter is, when you exclude commercial checking accounts... First of all, why are you excluding commercial checking accounts. I mean, if you should disclose fees, you should disclose fees. If you don't disclose fees, you don't disclose fees. Why not disclose fees in commercial transactions?"

"Currently, fees are disclosed, and most commercial customers are astute enough at their banking practices that they inquire and look at the competitive market for the best services. It is those non-commercial customers, the small customers of the banks that really don't have an opportunity to know exactly what fee disclosure is mandatory. So this requires that they don't have to inquire, that they will automatically be told when they go shopping for banking services what the fees are in relation to the services that they are opening. I think that they have a right to know. And I... And..."

"Madam Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I'd like to address the Bill. I think that we're developing a dual system, here, and I think you can decide for yourself whether or not it's good for banking. I'm surprised that the Sponsor does not require fee disclosures for attorneys, fee disclosures for doctors or fee disclosures in insurance transactions. And if you have a class of consumer - and in this case, the consumer can be individual or commercial - why not disclose those fees for all banking consumers? And the answer, I think, lies 120  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 somewhere between it's inappropriate or if you disclose those fees to major corporations, they will go elsewhere. And so I think that what the Lady has attempted to do with this Bill is to amend it to perhaps get it passed, but in fact, she has, through this Amendment, brought about greater opposition to the Bill. This Bill is not supported by the Illinois Bankers' Association. I think most of you on the floor of the House understand why you want fee disclosures, and if you agree with fee disclosures, then it should be total disclosures, and if you are against fee disclosure, then you are against the Bill. I would urge a 'no' vote."

"The Gentleman from Edgar, Representative Woodyard."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. A question of the Sponsor."

"Proceed."

"Is this required only once a year? Is that the notification of fees?"

"Representative Zwick."

"Thank you. It is required when a customer comes in and is looking for services. Before they would open an account, it is... It requires that the bank disclose to them what the fees are in relation to any account they might be opening, and it requires once a year notification of the fees in relation to the services they're getting, in case there has been a change."

"Well, I'm thinking of the mechanics of it. It only applies to the new customer. Right?"

"Representative Zwick, to answer the question."

"It only applies to the new customers."

"Go to the one next to you."

"Thank you. It would apply to new customers that are opening accounts, but it would apply to all customers on 121  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 the once a year notice. Anyone who has an existing account in one year would get a notice once a year of what the fees are in relation to the services they're taking, so that if there has been a change in the fees, they would therefore be notified of it."

"Well... Where a bank changes its fees - and certainly, they have - several times in a year, it looks like this would create quite a problem to the bank in notification."

"Well, I think it's a... If it is a little more paperwork, it is something that will benefit those people who use banking services and will bring about a much better system of competition among banks for those non-commercial customers who have really been at the mercy of the banks in the past, and not knowing when there has been a change. I think that they're entitled to know before they get the balance of their account with the fifteen dollar charge on it, which used to be ten dollars. And it's a minimal requirement, and the bankers suggested this Amendment and agreed that they could live with it, and do not oppose the Bill."

Speaker Breslin: "There being no further discussion, Representative Zwick to close."

"Oh, yes it is. Thank you. I think that we've addressed most of the concerns. This is a Bill that came about because of my concern over the consumers of banking services so that they will have more information as to what their choices are when they go into a bank. We worked with the bankers so that there would be no opposition from them. I think it's a customer service which the banks are currently providing voluntarily on some basis, because they realize that it is the right thing to do. I solicit your support. I ask for your 'aye' vote."

"The question is, 'Shall House Bill 1903 pass?' 122  STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Representative Mays wishes to be recorded as voting 'no'. Representative Hastert, could you change that? Thank you. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 44 voting 'aye', 45 voting 'no', and 22 voting 'present'. This Bill, having failed to receive the necessary votes, is hereby declared lost. House Bill 1906, Representative Vinson. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 1906, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Municipal Code. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Vinson."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Members of the House. House Bill 1906 was a Bill that I introduced to authorize corporate authorities and municipalities to borrow money from banks and other financial institutions, provided such borrowing shall be repaid within the current fiscal year. I would move for an Affirmative Roll Call."

"The Gentleman has moved for the passage of House Bill 1906. And on that question, the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Bowman."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Will the Gentleman yield for a question?"

"He will yield for a question."

"Representative Vinson, I consulted my dictionary in looking over your Bill, and I discovered two Amendments to this Bill."

"There's not a preceptor in any one of them."

"That is true, but one of them has O'Hare Airport, and the other one has something pretty kinky about water districts. I wonder if you could explain the Amendments?"

"Sure, I'd be glad to. Amendment #1 was adopted to the 123  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 Bill. It permits unincorporated areas under 7500 in population within one and a half miles of an existing municipality to have a referendum, a vote by the people, on the question of incorporating as a village if such unincorporated area maintains a public water district. It's applicable to instances where existing municipalities do not consent to incorporation proposals by such an unincorporated area. I think it's pretty straightforward. It resolves a particular problem in downstate Illinois, and it can only be done with a referendum by the people. I don't think there's anything controversial about the Amendment. The other Amendment that was adopted was Amendment #4, which simply requires the approval by the governing authority of any municipality before another city can acquire any property in such a municipality by condemnation for airport expansion. I think that's also a pretty simple way of just accommodating the needs of brother cities in... brother and sister cities in the state, and I would... I don't think that that should prove controversial either."

"Well, my understanding of Amendment #1, if my analysis is correct, is that the areas may be incorporated into a village without obtaining the permission from the municipality."

"Well, it's the areas that are outside the municipality."

"Right, so that they can incorporate into the municipality even if the municipality doesn't want them? Rather remarkable, isn't it?"

"They would... They would have to have a referendum to do their own incorporation."

"Who has the referendum? The people living outside the municipality or the people in the municipality?"

"The people outside." 124  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985

"Okay, I see. So the people outside the municipality have this vote, and they decide to join the municipality, even though the people in the municipality don't get a chance to consider the issue, to vote on the issue, to decide the issue, and even if they have a referendum in the municipality saying 'no', this Bill provides that they go in anyway."

"No... No. You're misreading the Bill entirely, Representative It would... They would be creating, by their referendum, their own new village. They would not be going into the existing village."

"They would be... They would be creating a new village."

"Yes."

"Then why do we need this? Don't we have laws on the books that provide for incorporation of municipalities?"

"I'm sorry. I didn't hear your last... "

"Then why do we need the Bill? Don't we have laws on the books providing for incorporation of municipalities, and don't they involve referenda and so forth?"

"Well, the... Currently, there's no provision for this in the statutes of the state, and this creates a situation where we can... where we can deal with this problem."

"Well, the second Amendment seems almost as interesting. It seems like, under this Amendment, O'Hare Airport would have more difficulty in expanding. Is this Amendment supported by the City of Chicago?"

"Well, I would assume the City of Chicago would support any concept of a municipal comity and good relationships among municipalities in this state. I don't know the answer to your question, but I would just assume that."

"Well, let me ask one last question, then. Does this... that Amendment not take away the right that the City of Chicago now has? Isn't that the purpose of the Amendment?" 125  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985

"Well, the purpose of the Amendment is that we now have a situation where... that hasn't existed in the past, where we need to work out relationships between these municipalities, and the Bill simply provides for, in essence, a process of municipal comity."

"Is that in the dictionary, Representative? Never mind."

"I'm sorry. I didn't hear that question."

"Never mind. The... Briefly, to the Bill. This Bill is, with its Amendments, is as kinky as a corkscrew, and for that reason, I urge a 'no' vote."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Cullerton."

"Yes, would the Sponsor yield?"

"He will yield for a question."

"Representative Vinson, first I want to address myself to the Bill as you introduced it. Wasn't this a Bill that was vetoed by the Governor last year? Specifically... Specifically, wasn't this House Bill 3148, offered by Representative Kirkland, that was amendatorily vetoed by the Governor on September 24, 1984?"

"May I answer now?"

"I'm trying to help. I'm trying to refresh your memory as to which Bill this Bill is."

"Well, that's a leading question, and you can only ask leading questions in cross-examination, and I presume you're an advocate for the Bill, so you're on direct."

"No, I'm opposed to the Bill. So, maybe you could tell me... answer my question."

"The answer to your question is that I don't know."

"You don't know?"

"I introduced... I didn't introduce the Bill in response to a gubernatorial veto or anything, I introduced it because it's good for local governments in this state." 126  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985

"Well, Representative Vinson, I'm informed that this Bill that you've introduced this year was your Amendment to that very same Bill which I referred to that the Governor amendatorily vetoed last year."

"That I know to be not the case. Let me tell you about that Bill. I am familiar..."

"Your memory is getting better on that Bill."

"I am familiar with my Amendments to that Bill."

"I see."

"Now, my Amendments to that Bill dealt with the ability to... to... for municipalities to develop into small business areas, land currently zoned as agricultural land in those areas, and to develop those into business areas and so forth, despite the agricultural zoning. In the limited instance of a situation where that land that was zoned agricultural, was already developed. That's what my Amendment dealt with. I remember that particular Amendment very well."

"Well..."

"Now, there was another Amendment added in the Senate, Representative, at my behest, which clarified the intent of my Amendment, but it didn't have anything to do with corporate authorities borrowing money from banks."

"Well, let me tell you what the Governor said about this very Bill. A number of provisions on borrowing in the Bill are somewhat loosely constructed, and do not provide adequate safeguards and limitations to prohibit units of local government and schools from going too far into debt. While there is, as the Governor calls it, some merit in the added flexibility added by the concept, the Governor says that the statute needs tighter restrictions on the amount of money borrowed, how the borrowing interacts with other outstanding debts, and what security will be made 127  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 available. And nothing in your Bill, as you introduced it, changes the objections that the Governor had back in September of 1984. Now, let me ask you a question about Amendment #1."

"Sure."

"Did Amendment #1 get on this Bill?"

"Yes, it did."

"What does that do?"

"Amendment #1 is an Amendment which deals with a civic problem in eastern Illinois, and what it does is to permit unincorporated areas under 7500 in population within one and a half miles of an existing municipality to have a referendum - a public vote of the people - on the question of incorporating as a village, the separate area incorporating separately, if the unincorporated area maintains a public water district. And it's applicable to that particular instance where the existing municipality does not want the unincorporated area to come into it. And then, what happens... So, what we provide is a mechanism by which that unincorporated area, since it's not wanted by that municipality, can incorporate itself as a separate municipality."

"That sounds like a reasonable Amendment. How about Amendment #4?"

"It's... It's equally reasonable. It's just the concept of municipal comity - C - O - M - I - T - Y, to try to establish good feelings and good relationships between brother and sister municipalities in the state."

"Well, does it have a limitation on home... on the... in a home rule unit? Would the Amendment impose a limitation on a home rule unit?"

"Well, what I think it does is, it affects the contractual relationships... not... not... I guess not 128  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 truly contractual, but it affects relationships between potential home rule units, yes."

"Okay. I'm going to ask that question one more time, and let's see if I can get an answer, because it's very important. Does Amendment #4 impose a limitation on home rule units?"

"What it does is that it regulates the use of power by home rule units."

"Does Amendment #4 impose a limitation on a home rule unit?"

"It regulates the use of powers of home rule units."

"Representative Cullerton, you've asked that question three times now."

"I haven't got an answer yet."

"That's beside the point. Proceed."

"Well then, why don't you tell me whether the regulation of the home rule unit imposes a limitation on it?"

"Well, I think what it really does is, it makes the power more effective, because it will be done in a spirit of municipal comity."

"Well of course, the Amendment is meaningless unless it imposes a limitation on a home rule unit. Isn't that correct?"

"Oh, I don't know about that."

"Because that's the purpose of the Amendment. The purpose of the Amendment is to require that..."

"I think you're really asking a question that's not ripe yet."

"Because the Bill isn't passed?"

"Well, it's not law yet."

"Well, Madam Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I believe that there's a couple of reasons to vote 129  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 against this Bill. First of all, the Bill that Representative Vinson introduced, the very Bill itself, was something that the Governor vetoed, and for good reason, and the Governor's Veto Message is available for anyone who would like to look at it. I have it over here, and I've read from it. And then finally, Amendment #4 is also a bad Amendment. It does impose a limitation on a home rule unit, and I would ask the Parliamentarian to look at the Bill as amended by Amendment #4 to determine how many votes this Bill might need for passage. In any case, it should not even receive 60 votes because it's a bad concept."

"We will... We will look at it, Representative Cullerton."

"Was that a question or were you just speaking to the Bill..."

"I was speaking to the Bill."

"He was speaking to the Bill, Sir. The next person to speak is the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Piel."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. I move the previous question."

"The Gentleman has moved the previous question. The question is, 'Shall the main question be put?' All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'nos' have it, and the main question is not put. The next Lady to speak is the Lady from Cook, Representative Braun."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. In response to a question put earlier to Representative Vinson as to whether or not the City of Chicago supports this legislation, the very clear answer is no. Unequivocally, the city does not support this legislation. In answer to the second question that was 130  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 asked of Representative Vinson, over the question of whether or not the word he meant was comity, C-O-M-I-T-Y, might I suggest this Bill is municipal comedy, C-O-M-E-D-Y."

"There being no further discussion, the question is, 'Shall... Representative Vinson to close.'"

"Madam Speaker, Members of the Assembly, I would just point out that it's extremely unlikely that Representative Braun is speaking for the majority and the city council, and I would urge an 'aye' vote to... because the majority and the city council is probably right."

"The question is, 'Shall House Bill 1906 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 55 voting 'aye', 59 voting 'no', and 4 voting 'present'. This Bill... Representative Vinson, for what reason do you rise?"

"Poll the absentees, please."

"Mr. Clerk there... or Mr. Vinson, there are no absentees. This Bill, having failed to receive the necessary majority, is hereby... Representative Vinson."

"Postponed consideration."

"The Gentleman asks leave for postponed consideration. Representative Cullerton."

"I do not wish a verification."

"Very good. This Bill will be placed on the Order of Postponed Consideration. House Bill 1912, Representative Johnson. Is the Gentleman in the chamber? Clerk, read the Bill. Representative Greiman in the Chair."

"House Bill 1912, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Funeral and Burial Funds Act. 131  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 Third Reading of the Bill."

"The Gentleman from Champaign, Mr. Johnson."

"I would ask leave to return this Bill to the Order of Second Reading for the purpose of an Amendment."

"The Gentleman asks leave of the House to return the Bill to the Order of Second Reading for purpose of Amendment. The Gentleman has leave. The Bill is on Second Reading. Mr. Clerk, any Amendments?"

"Amendment #1, offered by Representative Mays."

"The Gentleman from Quincy, Mr. Mays."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Amendment #1 basically fulfills a commitment that I made to the Members of the Executive Committee when we considered this Bill for... for its passage several weeks ago. That commitment stated simply that we would hold the Bill and not call for a Third Reading vote until we signed off with an Amendment by the Comptroller's Office. Amendment #1 satisfies the Comptroller's concerns, and it is for that reason that I offer it for consideration."

"The Gentleman from Adams has moved for the adoption of Amendment #1 to House Bill 1912, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall this Amendment be adopted?' Yes, Mr. Brookins."

"Yes. May... will the Sponsor yield for a question?"

"He will yield for questions, yes."

"Mr. Mays, what do the Amendment do?"

"What?"

"What do the Amendment do?"

"Representative, as you may recall during the Committee Session there were... there were some concerns as to the Comptroller's Offices to the Federal Deposit Insurance requirements, as well as many other requirements on the 132  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 trust accounts that this Bill would set up. For that reason, I made the commitment to the Executive Committee Members that those reservations would be addressed in an Amendment before we would consider the Bill on Third Reading. The Amendment #1 was drafted by the Comptroller's Office to take care of those concerns that he had. It is his Amendment, and it... it basically takes care of those concerns."

"Thank you. No problem."

"The question is, 'Shall Amendment #1 be adopted?' All in favor say 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Mr. Johnson, the Gentleman from Champaign, moves to waive Rule 37(c) so that the Bill may be immediately considered. Does the Gentleman have leave to use the Attendance Roll Call? He has leave. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 1912, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Funeral and Burial Funds Act. Third Reading of the Bill."

"The Gentleman from Champaign, Mr. Johnson, on House Bill 1912."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members. I believe this Bill as amended has removed the opposition of... it has of any of the people that it might have mildly opposed it. As amended, this simply amends Chapter 111.5 to permit trust funds in burial trust situations to be deposited at the option of the... of the to be decedent in banks located in an adjoining state and within 50 miles of the border of this state so long as a whole series of requirements are met. It's primarily applicable to those of you who have 133  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 districts that adjoin other states, and people who sometimes move across the statelines and want to have their funeral in an Illinois funeral home."

"The Gentleman from Champaign moves for the passage of House Bill 1912, and on that is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Cullerton."

"Yes, will the Sponsor yield?"

"He'll yield for a question."

"I've been curious about this Bill. What's the... what's the deal here?"

"You know, there's no hidden agenda here. What you see is what you get. There... simply this, we haven't... my district borders on Indiana. A number of times, people who lived, for example, in Hoopeston, Illinois establish burial trusts so that funeral homes in Hoopeston, Illinois can do their... do their services when they're... when they're deceased. They often times move across the border to live with their children across the line and so forth and set up this trust with a bank as the trustee. The problem is an oversight in Illinois law says that you can't do that, and so that a number of funeral homes on borders, Wisconsin, Iowa, Minnesota... not Minnesota, Missouri are losing business."

"I see... so, this... so, this Bill could be... is this part of DCCA's package to encourage people to come back to Illinois? I thought... don't we have a slogan? Isn't this a happy state? Happy state to be buried in."

"Yes, I never thought about that. I think... I... you know, you've added a new dimension to this Bill, and I think that's something..."

"Come home Illinois, or something like that."

"Right. No, I appreciate the comments, and they're well taken. You know, I agree with you and..." 134  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985

"Well, I think we should support it. I thought it was some kind of a deal to help out banks out-of-state, but it's not. It's to make people... encourage people to be buried in Illinois."

"No. Exactly, and encourage Illinois funeral homes to make money."

"Alright. Thank you."

"Further discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. This is final action. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 90... there are 104 voting 'aye', 7 voting 'no', 1 voting 'present'. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On the Order of House Bills Third Reading, Banking, appears House Bill 1963. Mr. Clerk.

"House Bill 19..."

"Yes, excuse me. Mr. Johnson, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"

"You've ruined a great joke. I was going to say that the 7 'no', and 1 'present' votes up there were making a grave error."

"Yes. Alright. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 1963, a Bill for an Act to amend the Probate Act. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Yes, the Gentleman from Marion on House Bill 1963."

"Mr. Speaker, I'd like to return this to the Order of... of Second Reading for purpose..."

"The Gentleman asks leave of the House to return the Bill to the Order of Second Reading. Does the Gentleman have leave? Leave is granted. Mr. Clerk, any 135  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 Amendments?"

"Amendment #3, offered by Representative Friedrich."

"The Gentleman from Marion, Mr. Friedrich."

"I'd like to withdraw Amendment #3."

"Amendment #3 withdrawn. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #4, offered by..."

"The Gentleman from Marion, Mr. Friedrich."

"I'd like to move for the adoption of Amendment #4. This was proposed to clear up some ambiguity in the thing, as a matter of fact on your suggestion, Mr. Speaker."

"The Gentleman moves for the adoption of House Amendment #4 to House Bill 1963, and on that is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Bowman."

"A question of the Sponsor. In the original... well, would you explain Amendment #4 a little bit more? I didn't catch your explanation."

"Well, actually Amendment #4 was... is identical to #3 except for a phrase, 'as an entity', was taken out at the request of... suggest of Representative Greiman, and I think it removed his objection."

"Okay. I didn't have an explanation of Amendment #3 in my materials."

"Number 4 is identical, except that phrase has been taken out."

"Okay. Thanks."

"Further discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #4 be adopted?' In favor say 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. Amendment #4 is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. The Gentleman from Marion, Mr. 136  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 Friedrich, moves to suspend Rule... House Rule 37(c) so that the Bill may be considered immediately. Does the Gentleman have leave for the use of the Attendance Roll Call? The Gentleman has leave. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 1963, a Bill for an Act in relation to common trust funds. Third Reading of the Bill."

"The Gentleman from Marion, Mr. Friedrich."

"Mr. Speaker, Members of the House, this is a Bill given... a Bill given to me by the Commissioner of Banks, Bill Harris, and it makes several changes in the manner of handling descendant's estate or ward's estate. And updates it to provide for investment in common trust funds. It still... the Amendment did take care... from the original Bill, and leaves the prudent man provision in it. There was also another Amendment which provided that... that the person who handled the trust could keep reasonable amount of money back for the operation of the trust. I think it meets all of the objections that were originally provided for. If there's any question, I'd be glad to try and answer them."

"The Gentleman from Marion moves for the passage of House Bill 1963, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Bowman."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. If I understand you correctly... correctly, Dwight, if this Bill passes, the prudent man rule will remain intact under..."

"Yes, it will."

"Thank you very much."

"Further discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is now open, and this is final action. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On 137  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 this question, there are 112... 116 voting 'aye', none voting 'no', 1 voting 'present'. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On the Order of House Bills Third Reading, Banking, appears House Bill 2205. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2205, a Bill for an Act to amend the Trust and Trustee Act. Third Reading of the Bill."

"The Gentleman from Livingston, Mr. Ewing."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, this Bill amends the state's Trust and Trustee Act and provides that any company which accepts and executes trust, conducts trust business and carries on trust operations in more than one city or town shall be required to make only one deposit of security with the commissioner, and it shall be a deposit which will represent the town with or the city with the highest population. This was approved overwhelmingly in Committee, and I would ask for its approval here."

"The Gentleman from Livingston moves for the passage of House Bill 2205, and on that is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All in favor say 'aye'... vote 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. This is final action. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 112 voting 'aye', none voting 'no', 2 voting 'present'. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby... Braun, 'aye'. On this Bill there are 113 voting 'aye', none voting 'no', 2 voting 'present'. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On the Order of House Bills Third Reading, Banking, appears House Bill 2362. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill." 138  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985

"House Bill 2362, a Bill for an Act concerning minority owned financial depositories. Third Reading of the Bill."

"The Lady from Cook, Miss Flowers."

"Mr. Speaker, I would like to return 2362 from Third Reading to Second Reading for the purpose of an Amendment."

"The Lady from Cook, Miss Flowers, asks leave of the House to return the Bill to the Order of Second Reading for the purpose of Amendment. Does the Lady have leave? She has leave. Mr. Clerk, are there any Amendments to House Bill 2362?"

"Floor Amendment #2, offered by Representative Flowers."

"The Lady from Cook, Miss Flowers, on Amendment #2."

"This Amendment, Sir, would clarify that the legislation in regards to the requirements made of the State Treasurer specifically, the State Treasurer may at his discretion accept a proposal by eligible institutions which provide for a reduced rate of interest provided that such institutions document the use of deposit funds for community economic development. And I move for the adoption, Sir."

"The Lady from Cook, Miss Flowers, moves for the adoption of Amendment 2 to House Bill 2362, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from DeWitt, Mr. Vinson."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Assembly. I rise in opposition to the Amendment because the potential abuse with the Amendment could be very great. If the State Treasurer has the discretion at anytime to accept a lower interest rate than the market would dictate in order to make deposits in some preferred bank, the potential for abuse is enormous. Now, I have no doubt that 139  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 our current State Treasurer would not abuse the authority. He's an honorable man, and I would not suggest in any fashion that he would misuse that authority. But the potential over a long period of time for abuse in this area is very great. I would just simply remind the Assembly that about 25 years ago a major scandle did occur with how state monies were handled in this state. I would think that it would be a mistake for this Assembly to authorize this kind of discretion at the open ended authority of the Treasurer, and I would urge a 'no' vote on the Amendment."

"Further discussion? The Lady from Cook, Miss Braun."

"Thank you, Madam... Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I'm afraid Representative Vinson is addressing the Bill and not the Amendment. The Amendment is a clean-up Amendment that has been accepted and... by the industry, agreed upon by people who represent the Treasurer's Office as I understand it, and it is an Amendment designed to eliminate or at least curve the potential that Representative Vinson refers to. Specifically, is I... the Amendment changes the word... changes a word from 'minority' to 'eligible' so that you don't run into a problem with defining in terms of ownership, etcetera. Whether you vote for the Bill or not, the Amendment makes sense as an Amendment... as a technical Amendment to a piece of legislation, and Representative Vinson should really confine his remarks to the Bill or to the Amendment when it is presented so as not to wreak havoc and confusion on this floor."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Piel. Mr. Piel."

"No, I turned my light off. I'm sorry, Mr. Speaker."

"Alright. There being no further discussion, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #2 be adopted?' All in 140  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 favor say 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendment?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. The Lady from Cook, Miss Flowers, moves to waive Rule 37(c) so that this Bill may be considered at this time. Does the Lady have leave? There is objection. Miss Flowers moves to waive the provisions of Rule 37(c) so that this Bill may be heard at this time. All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Yes, Mr. Vinson."

"Never mind."

"Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 84 voting 'aye', 28 voting 'no', 2 voting 'present', and the Motion carries. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2362, a Bill for an Act concerning minority owned financial depositories. Third Reading of the Bill."

"The Lady from Cook, Miss Flowers."

"Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House... wait one minute. This legislation is vital to the economic development in many depressed areas of Illinois, for expansion and development of business. The most important component is the ability to borrow at a reasonable rate, but when the banks in the community don't have the funds to lend the business developers in the area have considerable difficulty in borrowing and since most of the state businesses programs require businesses to have loan commitment from a financial institution without available deposit, these developers are denied access to state businesses and incentive programs. I just want to add that 141  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 this legislation is permissive, and I would urge an 'aye' vote. Thank you."

"The Lady from Cook, Miss Flowers, moves for the passage of House Bill 2362, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from DeWitt, Mr. Vinson.

"Thank you, Madam Speaker... Mr. Speaker. I'm sorry."

"Whatever. Go ahead. Proceed, Sir."

"I'd forgotten some of your early voting record. The devil made me do it, Mr. Speaker."

"Your light will be cut off in a minute. Go ahead."

"Members of the Assembly, I rise in opposition to this Bill. What this Bill permits is the Treasurer at his discretion to accept lower interest rates on public funds. If he thinks, that the... some bank is going to go fund a good project. I believe that that kind of discretion in the hands of a State Treasurer can lead to lending to preferred people of public money at low rates. It is... there is an enormous potential for abuse. There is the potential for abuse of the person, the... the political insider with a project working on a deal with the State Treasurer and with a bank so that the Treasurer can deposit the money into the bank, and the person can get that money at a low rate of interest, the political insider can do that. Secondly, you've got the potential for the State Treasurer to work out his deal in the background. Now, I want to categorically state that I believe Mr. Donnewald is an honorable man, and I am not concerned about any impropriety that he might commit. But this becomes the law of the State of Illinois and continues on for time in memorial. And the potential for abuse in the future is enormous. The political insider, the loss of money to the General Revenue Fund, and the potential for just the 142  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 Treasurer himself to engage in defalcations. I would strongly urge a 'no'. I think this is most improper legislation. It should be rejected by the Body."

"Further discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Piel."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Will the Sponsor yield to a question, please?"

"Indicates that she will."

"Amendment #2, Representative, now that deleted or added to... you know, the area of... you know, the definition of minority owned business, did that delete that from the Bill? Would you turn around please?"

"Yes, Miss Flowers."

"It deleted it from the Amendment, yes, Sir."

"Okay. If it deleted it from the Bill, what is the genesis now as the Bill stands, or what is the purpose of the Bill stand? Because initially the Bill was to help minority businesses, but if this is not stated in the Bill, you know what is the... you know, where you are coming from as far as the Bill is concerned?"

"The purpose of the Amendment, Sir, as well as the Bill is to help any eligible bank in any community as opposed to dealing with a downtown bank. We're talking about community banks here..."

"Okay. Okay."

"... in your community, as well as in mine."

"Okay. But basically what you are doing, you are giving the State Treasurer discretion on... you know, say in the rates of the funds, correct?"

"Pardon me?"

"You are setting... you are giving the discretion to the State Treasurer as far as the rate setting of the funds, correct?" 143  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985

"No, Sir."

"Okay, then do you want..."

"Oh, yes... yes. I'm sorry. You're correct. I'm sorry."

"Okay. I thought maybe I was looking at different Bill there for a second. Do you understand how the State Treasurer deals with these institutions when it comes to depositing of funds?"

"What is the point, Sir?"

"Do you... pardon me?"

"What is the point? What is... what is..."

"I'm asking you a question. That's the point."

"Yes, I understand it."

"Okay. Alright. Now, getting back to this, the way that the State Treasurer does this, and you say you know this, the State Treasurer contacts the banks stating that we have funds, so many million dollars available, and I mean this is not where he picks out, willy nilly, one or two banks statewide. It's not the downtown banks. This is banks statewide stating that we have. Are you willing to bid on these funds? So, it is not a situation to where he can sit here and say, okay, bank A, you have to give me a figure of X figure, bank B, you have to give me a figure... a figure at... X figure. That is the problem that you're running into with this Bill. That is the reason that the Illinois Bankers' Association opposes this. Because you..."

"Excuse me. You're... you're incorrect. The Illinois Bankers' Association does not oppose this... oppose this Bill as amended. That is the purpose of Amendment #2."

"I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I disagree with you, but moving on. The way that deposits are stated in the state... I'll tell you what, I don't need to... I don't have any more questions, so to the Bill, Mr. Speaker." 144  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985

"Proceed."

"Thank you. Moving on, Mr. Speaker, what... the way the deposits are taken from banks in the state, the Treasurer contacts the different institutions in the state, stating that they have X number of dollars to invest in the State of Illinois, Ladies and Gentlemen, asking them what figure they are going to bid. The comptroller of each bank takes a look at their portfolio. One, decides if they want any funds in that area, and two, what rate... what is the going rate at that time. Okay. Now, what this Bill is basically stating is that the Treasurer can sit here and offer reduced rates to different institutions. That to me is wrong. It is dead wrong, and I would ask for a 'no' vote on 2362."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Bullock."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Representative Flowers, would you yield for a question?"

"Indicates she will."

"Representative Flowers, does the Treasurer of the State of Illinois, Mr. Donnewald, support this Bill?"

"Yes, Sir."

"Representative Flowers, it's your understanding that the Treasurer would maintain discretion as it relates to the letting of these bids, and of course, he's obligated by his constitutional statutory obligations under the prudent rule, is that your understanding?"

"Yes, Sir."

"Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, the fact of the matter is, the Bill is permissive. It is supported by the Treasurer. Representative Vinson is certainly to be commended. He has stated his pryionics, and he is correct as it relates to the prudent policies of 145  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 the Office of Treasurer, whether it's the state, municipal government, or county government. All of those officers are required to be prudent when it comes to the taxpayers' deposit, but the fact of the matter is, and I'm sure that Representative Vinson would not want to say that either party has a patent on influence. Regardless of who the Treasurer is, you have friends and pals, and that's just a human element. We cannot remove the human element from any office. Whether it's the Governor, the Secretary of State, the Treasurer, the Mayor, there's a human element. We can't legislate that human element. But what the Lady is attempting to do here... the Lady is attempting to benefit small and medium sized financial institutions. Representative Piel is correct. It does not matter whether or not you are a minority owned institution or whether you're a small institution. The same rule applies. It's a good Bill. It should be passed. It will enable small banks, banks of 13 million dollars, 12 million dollars, 10 million dollars, all of those institutions under 25 million dollars. It, yes, would give them special consideration, but I don't think that's bad. The majority of the communities across Illinois deal with financial institutions that are in the 25 million dollar range, and those institutions are good community citizens. They help those communities. They cannot help those communities if they don't have access to the deposits, and yes, it's good sound state policy to place public dollars in small institutions. It's a good Bill. It shouldn't receive one 'no' vote. Let's disregard the posturing of historionics, and give the Lady an 'aye' vote."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Cullerton."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I am absolutely shocked that the Gentleman from 146  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 DeWitt can rise up and express opposition to a Bill which gives discretion to the State Treasurer. I think that you've all heard the rumor that I have heard that Representative Vinson wants to leave us. He wants to leave us, and he may want to run for our State Treasurer himself, or as he says, State Treasurer... State Treasurer. And I'm sure that he will be as successful as some of his predecessors such as, Cal Skinner and John Castle and John Daily and George Burditt and Ray Page, but you never know. Lightening might strike, and this man may actually be the Treasurer. And I... and I suspect that when he's the Treasurer, he'll be coming in with this Bill himself asking us to pass it. So, I think we should pass it for him right now."

"Mr. Mc... excuse me, Mr. Vinson, you had already spoken in debate. Did you want to say something? I suppose your name was mentioned, and you feel defamed. Proceed, Sir."

"I'll be brief. I'll just say that anybody that votes for this Bill now won't get any such loan."

"The Gentleman from St. Clair, Mr. Flinn."

"Mr. Speaker, I move the previous question."

"The Gentleman from St. Clair moves that the previous question be put. All in favor say 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the previous question will be put. Ms. Flowers to close."

"Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, I would really appreciate a favorable vote on this. Thank you."

"The question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is now open. Miss Braun, one minute to explain your vote." 147  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985

"Thank you very much. Ladies and Gentlemen, with interstate banking right around the corner if you represent small communities you ought to vote for this Bill, because one of these days you're going to need to have some protection for those small banks, that the people out in California and the people from New York are looking to gobble up. At some point, this Bill will help your communities as well, and I appreciate your 'aye' vote."

"Mr. Huff, one minute to explain your vote. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 73 voting 'aye', 42 voting 'no', 3 voting... And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On the Order of House Bills Third Reading, Banking, appears House Bill 2441. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2441, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act in relation to community currency exchange and ambulatory currency exchanges. Third Reading of the Bill."

"The Gentleman from Kendall, Mr. Hastert."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 2441 is a Bill that provides that stockholders of a corporation that are applying for a license for a currency exchange complete portions of the application for such exchanges. This brings the rules of the Department of Financial Institutions into statute. It also provides that the minimum service requirement is intended... is intended for anybody applying for this application. And it has a change in the bonding requirement to make the statutes consistent."

"The Gentleman from Kendall has moved for the passage of House Bill 2441, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All 148  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is now open, and this is final action. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question there are 112 voting 'aye', none voting 'no', 1 voting 'present'. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Now, Ladies and Gentlemen, we are going to take some Bills that are on the Special Consent Calendar on page 37 that require Amendment, and I will be calling them slowly so that you can follow them. It covers several... 5 or 6 pages. I would also like to advise the Body of an interesting statistic. On the day before the last day of Third Readings in the House in 1983, there were on the Calendar 300... 300 Bills... 314 Bills. There are when we started this morning on this Calendar 725 Bills. So, we have a few more Bills to consider then we had two years ago. I... I don't mean to intimidate debate, but I just advise you of the massive amount of work we have to do. Thank you for your cooperation. Now, on Special Consent Calendar, Second Reading, appears... Bills to be returned to Second Reading on page 37 of the Calendar, appears House Bill 434, Mr. Berrios. Yes, for what purpose does the Gentleman from Marion, Mr. Friedrich, seek recognition?"

"Point of inquiry, Mr. Speaker. Will a Bill that's on this Order if it's amended, stay on that Order unless it's removed by..."

"Yes, we'll ask leave, and if leave is granted it will stay on that Order, yes. Alright. On the Order of Special Consent Calendar page 38, appears House Bill 522, Mr. O'Connell. The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. O'Connell, asks leave to return House Bill 522 to the Order of Second Reading for the purpose of Amendment. Does the Gentleman have leave? The Gentleman has leave. Mr. Clerk, are there 149  STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 any Amendments?"

"Amendment #2, offered by Representative O'Connell."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. O'Connell."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Amendment #2 deletes the provision in the Bill that... which makes it a crime to lure a child which... who is identified as anyone under the age of 16 into an automobile. The original Bill had language as to an attempt would also be a class 4 Felony. The Amendment deletes reference to the attempt, and in affect, makes the crime simply one of luring a child into a car. The affect of the Amendment is to make it consistent with other provisions of the Criminal Code, which do differentiate between the commission of a crime and an attempt to commit a crime. This Amendment came out of a suggestion in the House Judiciary Committee, and I'd ask for its favorable adoption."

"The Gentleman from Cook moves for the adoption of Amendment #2 to House Bill 522, is there any discussion? Being none, the question is, 'Shall this Amendment be adopted?' All in favor say 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendment?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Does the Gentleman have leave of the House for this Bill to remain on the Order of Special Consent Calendar? The Gentleman has leave, and it will be so ordered. On the Order of Special Consent Calendar, appears House Bill 1109 on page 39 of the Calendar. Mr. Wolf, The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Wolf, moves to return this Bill to the Order of Second Reading for the purpose of an Amendment. The Gentleman has leave. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill." 150  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985

"Amendment #1, offered by Representative Wolf."

"The Gentleman from Madison, Mr. Wolf."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. Amendment #1 to House Bill 1109 simply shortens the time in which deputy registrars must turn in their registration material. Basically, House Bill 1109 changes the number of days prior to the election in which voters can be registered from 35 to 28. There is a provision in this statute which says that they have an additional period of 7 days within which to turn in registration material. Since we have changed the number of days from 35 to 28, we have now stating in Amendment #1 that registration material must be turned in on the day following the close of registration. I ask for its adoption."

"The Gentleman from Madison moves for the adoption of Amendment 1 to House Bill 1109. On that is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #1 be adopted?' In favor say 'aye', opposed 'no'... those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it and the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2, offered by Representative Wolf."

"The Gentleman from Madison, Mr. Wolf, on Amendment #2."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Amendment #2 makes a provision in the Bill whereby an organization that has a number of registrars can appoint one individual... excuse me just a second. They can appoint one individual as the coordinator subject to the approval of the county clerk. Then that individual would have the authority to collect registration materials for all of the registrars within that organization and return those to the county clerk. It also 151  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 sets up a procedure for individuals who change or move from one location to another to change their registration in which they must turn into the new place of voting, their triplicate copy of their registration. The county clerk then would inform the previous voting registration area of that cancellation notifying them of the change of location. I ask for adoption of Amendment #2."

"The Gentleman from Madison, Mr. Wolf, moves for the adoption of Amendment 2 to House Bill 1109, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall this Amendment be adopted?' All in favor say 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Mr. Wolf, the Gentleman from Madison, requests leave of the House for this Bill to remain on the Order of Special Consent Calendar and for the Bill to be heard today pursuant to Rule 3... by waiving Rule 37(c). Does the Gentleman have leave? Leave is granted. So, it will be so ordered. On the Order of Special Consent Calendar, appears House Bill 1683 on page 40. Miss Cowlishaw."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. May I please have leave to return House Bill 1683 to Second Reading for purpose of an Amendment?"

"The Lady from DuPage moves for the... or asks leave of the House to return this Bill to the Order of Second Reading for purpose of an Amendment. Mr. Clerk... Leave is granted. And Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Amendment #1, offered by Representative Cowlishaw."

"The Lady from DuPage, Miss Cowlishaw, on Amendment 1." 152  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'm sorry for the delay. Amendment #1 simply deletes one word from the Bill. It deletes the word, 'friable', as the adjective having to do with asbestos. It is apparent that the asbestos would not necessarily be friable at the time that it was installed in the building. That is absolutely all the Amendment does, and I ask for its adoption."

"The Lady from DuPage moves for the adoption of Amendment 1 to House Bill 1683, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall this Amendment be adopted?' All in favor say 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. The Lady from DuPage, Miss Cowlishaw, asks leave of the House for this Bill to remain on the Order of Special Consent Calendar, and for the Bill to be heard on this day. Does the Lady have leave? She has leave, and it's so ordered. On the Order of House Bills Special Consent Calendar, appears... 1765 on page 40. Mr. O'Connell. Mr. O'Connell moves to return this Bill to the Order of Second Reading for the purpose of an Amendment. Mr. Clerk, are there any Amendments? So ordered. Mr. Clerk, any Amendments?"

"Amendment #2, offered by Representative O'Connell."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. O'Connell, on Amendment #2."

"Thank you Mr. Speaker. Amendment #2 is a technical Amendment to conform with Amendment #1 which reduced the fine... the penalties that is from a Class 3 Felony to a Class A Misdemeanor. A Class A Misdemeanor consists of theft over the amount of 150, and the original Bill 153  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 provided for an amount of 300. So, the Amendment #2 simply makes the $150 language consistent with a Class A Misdemeanor. It's actually under $150."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. O'Connell moves for the passage... for the adoption of Amendment 2 to House Bill 1765, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall this Amendment be adopted?' All in favor say 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendment?"

"No further Amendment."

"Third Reading. The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. O'Connell, asks leave of the House for this Bill to remain on the Order of Special Consent Calendar and for the Bill to be heard this day. The Gentleman has leave, and it will be so ordered. On the Order of House Bills Second... Special Consent Calendar, appears House Bill 1785. Mr. Keane. Mr. Keane moves to return this Bill to the Order of Second Reading with purpose of an Amendment. Mr. Clerk, are there any Amendments?"

"Amendment #1, offered by Representative Keane."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Keane, on Amendment #1."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Amendment #1 just clarifies the intent of the Bill. It indicates that all salaries must be listed, and also says that all payments over $1,000 be reported. And that's all the Amendment does."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Keane, moves for the adoption of Amendment #1 to House Bill 1785, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall Amendment 1 be adopted?' All in favor say 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?" 154  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Mr. Keane, the Gentleman from Cook, moves for leave of the House for this Bill to remain on the Special Consent Calendar and for the Bill to be heard this day. Does the Gentleman have leave? The Gentleman has leave, and it will be so ordered by the Attendance Roll Call. Yes, on the Special Consent Calendar on page 40, appears House Bill 1828. Mr. Steczo. Mr. Steczo, the Gentleman from Cook, moves that House Bill 1828 be returned to the Order of Second Reading for the purpose of an Amendment. Does the Gentleman have leave? He has leave. Mr. Clerk, are there any Amendments?"

"Amendment #2, offered by Representative Steczo."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Steczo, on Amendment #2."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. Amendment #2 is... is in the exact same form as Amendment #1 which was withdrawn. Amendment #1 was withdrawn because we thought there was a technical problem which has been resolved. Amendment #1 conforms to the memorandum of understanding by the Governor between the environmental protection agency and the fire marshal on underground storage tanks. The Amendment creates an orphan underground storage tank fund. It provides a registration fee of $5 per tank as of July 1, 1986. After which, a registry which has been mandated by the Federal Government will... will have been completed and will determine how many such tanks there are in the State of Illinois. I would move for the adoption, Mr. Speaker, of Amendment #2."

"The Gentleman from Cook moves for the adoption of Amendment #2 to House Bill 1828, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #2 be adopted?' All in favor say 'aye', those 155  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Mr. Steczo, the Gentleman from Cook, asks leave of the House for this Bill to remain on the Order of Special Consent Calendar, and for the Bill to be heard today. Does the Gentleman have leave to use the Attendance Roll Call? The Gentleman has leave, and it is so ordered. On the Order of House Bills, Special Consent Calendar, appears House Bill 1889, Mr. Leverenz. Mr. Leverenz, the Gentleman from Cook, moves... asks for leave of the House to return this Bill to the Order of Second Reading for the purpose of an Amendment. Mr. Clerk, are there any Amendments?"

"Amendment #1, offered by Representative Leverenz."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Leverenz, on Amendment #1."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Amendment #1 would provide, as we promised to the Committee, the parcels by legal description that the County of Cook, the forest preserve area that are known as, splinter pieces of property, would be allowed to be sold, and the first choice, of course, would go to the municipality. This contains the legal descriptions of the 30 parcels of property. I would move for the adoption of the Amendment."

"The Gentleman from Cook moves for the adoption of Amendment 1 to House Bill 1889, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall this Amendment be adopted?' All in favor say 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendment?"

"No further Amendment." 156  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985

"Third Reading. The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Leverenz, asks leave of the House for this Bill to remain on the Order of Special Consent Calendar, and for the Bill to be heard today. Does the Gentleman have leave to use the Attendance Roll Call? He has leave, and it's so ordered. On the Order of House Bills Special Consent Calendar, appears House Bill 1924. Mr. Stephens. Mr. Stephens, the Gentleman from St. Clair, moves that this Bill... asks leave of the House to return this Bill to the Order of Second Reading. Does the Gentleman have leave? Mr. Clerk, are there any Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2, offered by Representative Stephens."

"The Gentleman from St. Clair, Mr. Stephens, on Amendment #2."

"Mr. Speaker, I request leave to table Amendment 1."

"The Gentleman asks... Mr. Stephens, the Gentleman from St. Clair, moves to table Amendment #1 to House Bill 1924, and on that is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #1 be tabled?' All in favor say 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Amendment is tabled. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2, offered by Representative Stephens."

"The Gentleman from St. Clair, Mr. Stephens, on Amendment #2."

"Amendment #2 corrects errors found in Enrolling and Engrossing that were in Amendment #1, and I move for its adoption."

"The Gentleman from St. Clair, Mr. Stephens, moves for the adoption of Amendment #2 to House Bill 1924, and on that is there any discussion? There being none, the 157  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 question is, 'Shall this Amendment be adopted?' All in favor say 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. The Gentleman from St. Clair, Mr. Stephens, asks leave of the House for this Bill to remain on the Order of Special Consent Calendar, and that the Bill be heard on this day. Does the Gentleman have leave to use the Attendance Roll Call. He has leave. Leave is granted. It is so order. On the Order of House Bills Special Consent Calendar, appears House Bill 2296. Mr. Kirkland. The Gentleman from Kane, Mr. Kirkland, on House Bill 2296. Asks leave of the House to return this Bill to the Order of Second Reading. Does the Gentleman have leave? Leave is hereby granted. Mr. Clerk, are there any Amendments?"

"Amendment #... Amendment #1, offered by Representative Kirkland."

"The Gentleman from Kane, Mr. Kirkland, on Amendment #1."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We just wanted to soften the affect of this Bill somewhat by requiring... let's see... that... that boards pay for medical letters they request for sick leave only after sick leave has occured for three days rather than immediately. I ask for adoption of the Amendment."

"The Gentleman from Kane, Mr. Kirkland, moves for the adoption of Amendment #1 to House Bill 2296, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall this Amendment be adopted?' All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?" 158  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985

"No further Amendments."

"The Gentleman from Kane, Mr. Kirkland... Third Reading. The Gentleman from Kane, Mr. Kirkland, asks leave of the House for this Bill to remain on the Order of Special Consent Calendar, and for the Bill to be heard this day. Does the Gentleman have leave to use the Attendance Roll Call for that purpose? The Gentleman has leave. It will be so ordered. Ladies and Gentlemen, it is the intention of the Chair to now vote on the Special Consent Calendar. The procedure will be as follows, each of you firstly is being... is receiving a special Consent Calendar vote change. We will after the vote has been taken by the mechanical machine close the vote, but the vote will not be declared. We will return to this Order at 5 o'clock or so, but not before. During the interim period, you may cast a vote which would indicate 'no', 'yes', or 'present'. And thereafter, that vote will be tallied so that at 5 o'clock or whenever we call this again, the Clerk will have an accurate count on the number of Bills... number of votes which each Bill on the Special Consent vote... Calendar has received. If the Bill has received the appropriate Constitutional Majority, we will at that time declare the Bill passed having received a Constitutional Majority. If the Bill receives less then that because of the changes in votes, we will declare those Bills placed on the Order of Postponed Consideration. However, it is understood that for those Bills that are of the Special Consent Calendar which do not receive a Constitutional Majority and are placed on the... on the Postponed Consideration Calendar, they will be accorded a hearing so that they will have an opportunity like other Bills have had. Are there any questions that anyone might have? Miss Frederick, the Lady from Lake." 159  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985

"Mr. Speaker, it was my understanding that the Chair was going to allow the Amendment to be placed on House Bill 493 at this time."

"Oh, you have another Amendment to place. Okay. Fine. We'll get to that before we do the voting part. Yes, Mr. Turner."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question. There's asterisks behind some of these Bills, what does that imply, or what is that to mean? And the second question is, if you..."

"Well, let's answer your first question. It means that the Bill has been amended."

"Okay. And the second question, if you're voting 'yes' on most of them can you just mark the 'nos', or should you put 'yes' on every... can you just vote 'no'?"

"Alright. So, yes the answer is this is to change your vote. I suspect that most will be voting 'yes'. So, that if you want to change your vote, mark that. But don't mark one which you're satisfied that your vote is appropriate."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker."

"So, you do not have to vote 'yes'... I mean mark it 'yes' on the vote change. Are there any further questions? Alright. The Lady... House Bill 2032 is removed from the Special Consent Calendar. The Lady from Lake, Miss Frederick, moves to... moves to return House Bill 493 to the Order of Second Reading for the purposes of an Amendment. Mr. Clerk, are there any Amendments?"

"Amend... Amendment #2, offered by Representative Virginia Frederick."

"The Lady from Lake, Miss Frederick."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, Amendment #2 amends the Hearing Aid Consumer Protection Act 160  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 which we passed last year. Most of the changes in this Amendment are technical changes and were designed to conform to JCAR and the Department of Public Health. Basically, the Amendment provides for the education for recertification after a dispenser... hearing aid dispenser has been out of business for 5 years. It provides for temporary certificates and supervision of these persons who are requesting temporary certificates. It provides for appointment of a hearing officer in cases of nonrenewal of a certificate or refusal to issue a certificate. I move adoption of Amendment #2 to House Bill 493."

"The Lady from Lake moves for the adoption of Amendment #2 to House Bill 493, and on that is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #2 be adopted?' All in favor say 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendment?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. The Lady from Lake asks leave of the House for this Bill to remain on the Order of Special Consent Calendar, and that the Bill be heard today. Does the Lady have leave for the Attendance Roll Call? She has leave, and it is so ordered. The Special Consent Calendar was previously read, accordingly the question is, 'Shall the Bills on the Special Consent Calendar pass?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is now open. This is not quite final action. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 118 voting 'aye', none voting 'no', none voting 'present', and the vote totals passage or failure will be announced within 2 or 3 hours. Yes, we would like to have these in by 4 o'clock. So, you have 2 hours or an hour and a half 161  STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 to turn the Special Consent Calendar vote change. 4 o'clock. Return them by 4 o'clock. On page 17 of the Calendar on the Order of House Bills Third Reading, State Regulation, appears House Bill 298. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House..."

"Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Third Reading, State Regulation, appears House Bill 737. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 737, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Liquor Control Act. Third Reading of the Bill."

"The Gentleman from Dekalb, Mr. Countryman."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. House Bill 737 amends the Dramshop Act, and as amended this Bill would essentially double the amounts recoverable under the Dramshop Act, which are presently 15,000 for personal injury, 15,000 for property damage, $20,000 for loss of means of support. Those recovery amounts would be doubled to 30,000 for personal injury, 30,000 for property damage, and 40,000 for loss of means of support. It's my understanding that those amounts are accumulative and can be what they called stacked under the case law of this state. That that stacking provision would remain in affect with the Amendment on the Bill. The Amendment is one that was worked out with the... a number of the Dramshop carriers and a number of the people who have an interest in this, including the retail liquor people. And it does take away something, and I think this is important for the Members of this Assembly to know, it takes away a cause of action by the relative by blood or marriage of an intoxicated person for the loss of means of support. To make things clear, it does not take away that cause of action for... by relative 162  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 for the other 2 potential causes of action that is personal injury and property damage, only for loss of means of support. This is a compromise, and has been worked out in the Committee structure with the various interest groups. I believe that it's a substantial step forward. I think it's a good piece of legislation now, because those people who are innocent and injured as a result of an intoxicated person will be able to recover a more realistic sum of money. Those people who are involved with the intoxication themselves have contributed in some ways to their own damage and detriment, and therefore, the parties claiming under them would be barred from a cause of action. And I'd encourage a favorable vote in this, and be happy to answer any questions. Thank you."

"The Gentleman from Dekalb has moved for the passage of House Bill 737, and on that is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Cullerton."

"Yes, would the Sponsor yield?"

"Indicates he'll yield for a question."

"Representative Countryman, could you get a copy of Amendment #2, and look down on... on line... starting on line 23? I just wondered if you could explain this Section to me? It says, 'nothing in this Section bars any person from making separate claims which in the aggregate exceed anyone limit where such person encouraged more than one type of compensible damage including personal injury, property damage, and loss to means of support. However, all persons claiming loss to means of support shall be limited to and... and aggregate recovery not to exceed the single limitation'. I think... I'm just wondering if... first of all, if the words 'to means of the support' are suppose to be 'of means of support', or if that's a term of art or... just what does that whole Section... that 163  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 sentence mean, you know?"

"Well, before we get the 'to' to the 'of' let me say to you that ... that what the Section means is that, as I explained a few minutes ago, the stacking provision. That is if there's an occurence in which say a person is killed as a result of an intoxicated person, a suit can be brought and recovery can be had for personal injury, property damage, and loss of means of support, and what that language is intended to mean is that they can stack those up. And under this Bill as written, it would be 20,000 for property damage, 20,000 for personal injury, and 40,000 for loss of means of support."

"Isn't it 30,000?"

"30,000. Excuse me. The... the language with regard means that if you have the secondary language after it says, 'however', means that if you have 5 children and you are the victim, each one of those children might have a claim for loss of means of support. It means that collectively they only have one claim for a single limit of $30,000 for one person. So, they could claim in essence the 3 different personal injury, property damage, loss of means of support. However, they can only make one claim for loss of means of support."

"Okay. And you'd like Enrolling and Engrossing to change words 'to' to 'of', and to strike the second 'and'."

"That would appear to be correct."

"Right. Okay. Thank you. I agree with the Bill, and it's a fine compromise. Support it."

"The Gentleman from Bureau, Mr. Mautino."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Gentleman yield? Will the Gentleman yield?"

"Indicates he will."

"Representative Countryman, why do we need this Bill?" 164  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985

"Well, Representative Mautino, I believe that we found over the years since, I think, 1954 when the Dramshop was last amended to its limits that inflation has played a great toll upon our society, and that the recovery for these damages is in a fairly low amount of money, and this was an attempt when we started out based upon the DUI Task Force recommendations to bring up those recoverable amounts to a more reasonable sum of money. In the process, we discussed this with the insurance carriers and the retail liquor people and the Association for Beer Distributors in an attempt to coming to an equitable solution that would... that would to our best... best of our ability leave their Dramshop premiums at what they believe to be the level that they are now. So, I believe it's a good Bill. It will help innocent people who are the victims of intoxicated persons, and by the same token it will eliminate a cause of action for those who contributed to the intoxication."

"You're raising it 20, 30 and 40 thousand, if I remember correctly in your compromise, is that right? Currently, it's 20, you're raising it to 30 and then to 40, right?"

"It's going... it's going... there's 3 causes of action, Representative. It's going to 30, 30 and 40."

"Okay. Conversely, what is the increase... what do you think the increase will be on liability insurance for those coverages, double or triple the current rate?"

"The man by the name of Christopher Klockau from Quad Cities area who represents and is the vice president of one of the major Dram carriers in the State of Illinois, informed me, Representative, that the premium should remain the same giving the concessions of this Bill contains with regards to the cause of action. Now, he made it clear to the people that were there at that meeting that he would not assure that, but given the concessions and other 165  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 factors remaining the same, the premuims would not rise."

"Well, with all due respect, my alerted colleague, I think the attorney in you has a very interesting evaluation when your doubling the limits, your doubling the award, and trying to tell me that the insurance rates are going to remain the same. That sounds very familiar to the malpractice provisions that we just went through with the doctors, and the attorneys, and the insurance companies as well. It just seems to me that that is rather inconceivable when you increase the awards, possible awards, that the insurance will not also, if not double, at least raise another 40 to 50 percent."

"Well, I think you're missing the point, Representative Mautino. And the point is that a lot of these nuisance cases that are brought as a result of bar fights and other things that cost the carriers a great deal to defend, and a great deal of involvement, and sometimes rewards... awards against them are being eliminated as well as a... a particular important point is the people who are killed particularly in one car accidents their relatives by blood or marriage will not have a cause of action for loss of means of support. And that loss of means of support action has been the one that... that generally derives the largest number of causes of action. As a point, in fact, Representative, I had an accident occur in my district 2 or 3 weeks ago in which 2 people were killed, and I can see a couple of instances right there where cause of actions will be eliminated under the Bill as I've amended it. This Bill has a substantial concession to the liquor industry edit, and they've so indicated to me, and have so indicated that they have no opposition to the Bill. So, I really tell you that there's been a substantial compromise in here, and there's been give and take. And I think as the Bill is 166  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 amended it has good points for all sides."

Speaker Greiman: "Further discussion? The Gentleman from Champaign, Mr. Johnson."

"Representative Countryman, for purposes of legislative intent let me ask you this. There's three cases in Illinois, Sheppard versus Marsalia, Kelly versus Hues, and Fortner versus Norris, that deal with the ability of an injured person in the appropriate circumstances to stack the three elements of recovery. The 15 for personal injury, the 20 for loss of means of support, and the 15 for property damage, each of which would be... under this Bill would be doubled. Does this Bill do any damage or does it change the law at all based on those cases with respect to the ability of a plaintiff and others in the appropriate circumstances to stack those three majors of recovery?"

"No, really on the contrary Representative Johnson. What it does is attempt to clarify that in a language that the stacking is permitted as the case law indicates and codify that."

"When was the last time... I know... I'm sure... you probably addressed this already. When was the last time the Dramshop limits in Illinois were increased?"

"I have been informed by others that it was 1954."

"And let me ask you finally if this does anything to eliminate the immunity that taverns have... the Dramshop has, the exclusivity of the act, their inability to be sued at common law for negligence if this Bill passes?"

"No, it does not. It preserves that intact."

"Then this Bill does not speak to the question that the courts may speak to at some point of whether social hosts, noncommercial providers of alcoholic beverages, are or aren't liable on a common law theory for negligence in terms of there provisions... sale or giving of alcohol, and . 167  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 you don't intend the Bill to touch on that subject matter do you?"

"No, it doesn't, Representative Johnson. It does not speak to that. I had another Bill which was placed in interim study that spoke to that issue."

"Thank you very much."

"Further discussion? Mr. Regan."

"Hello. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor leave?"

"Indicates that he will."

"Just for a point of clarification would you please go over exactly what you're doing to keep the premiums level?"

"We are eliminating a cause of action by... for loss of means of support by a relative either by blood or marriage of the intoxicated person."

"So, that means that a person that goes to a tavern, and he gets drunk, he's given too much alcohol goes out and runs into the side of train, his family has no recourse on the Dram Act."

"That's correct. Well, he does have recourse under the personal injury and property damage. And there are instances where the funeral bill for instance is a family expense, there may be some potential in that instance. But for loss of means of support, there is no cause of action."

"I still... I have to strongly talk to the Bill. I believe that we're one of the very very few states that still have the Dram Act enforced here. I don't support the Bill at all. I think it's a double layer of coverage that should be eliminated, and I certainly don't think that the benefits should be increased. And I just have a funny feeling that if the Liquor Association and everybody concerned with the restaurant business would definitely oppose this Bill. I stand opposed." 168  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Panayotovich."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, will the Sponsor yield?"

"Indicates he'll yield for a question."

"Representative, could you tell me exactly who this Bill affects. What businesses? What type of businesses?"

"Well, it would affect anybody who is in a Dramshop business right now, you know, a tavern, restaruant that serves alcoholic beverages. Anybody who sells alcoholic beverages at retail."

"So, what we're doing is were increasing the cost of the Ma and Pa taverns, the neighborhood tavern, the family restaurants, all these places that we all go to. We are increasing their cost of business to stay in business by increasing the tax."

"No, Representative, you haven't been listening obviously to my comments that we've negotiated this with the people who write this insurance, and that they've indicated that the premium levels should remain the same barring other factors in the insurance industry."

"Well, I think I was listening, and I also heard you just say should, and are you going to guarantee me that the premiums are not going to go up?"

"No, I will not guarantee you, but I would ask you to refer to your own Dram carriers if that's the instance. And I believe you... you are an operator. So, maybe it is. That these people have indicated that the Amendment, and the Amendment is one, by the way, that they suggested would make this acceptable to them and that barring other factors in the insurance industry, general rate increases and so forth, that these things... that the premiums should not go up. That's why I make it, that statement. I will make no guarantees for what the insurance industry does."

"To the Bill, Mr. Speaker." 169  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985

"Proceed, Sir."

"Not having anybody... the idea within the Dramshop business... not being in the business and worrying about the little Ma and Pa taverns, the little neighborhood stores that we all frequent, the place we go into. I stand in opposition to this Bill, and I think everybody should take a look at it and see that we do not need to have to worry about raising the Dramshop limits."

"The Gentleman from Madison, Mr. Wolf."

"Mr. Speaker, I move the previous question."

"The Gentleman from Madison moves the previous question be put. All in favor say 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the previous question be put. Mr. Johnson to close."

"Mr. Speaker, Members of the House, Representative Countryman and others met at great lengths with all parties concerned... I say all parties. All the representatives of all parties concerned in this matter. And they have assured us with as much certainty as you can ever assure anyone that the new immunization of this Act will offset the increase in the rates, and there shouldn't be any increase. There... there... could even conceivably be a decrease in rates depending on the... on the circumstances of how this actuarily figures out. We did it because we had concern for the businesses of Illinois just as well as some of the previous speakers had. But this Bill or this law is such that Dramshop limits that compensate a family for the death of... of their family member, or to compensate somebody for serious bodily injury, which your limit is at $15,000, and $20,000 under current law, haven't been increased for 31 years. Now, I don't know what the consumer price index has done in 31 years, but I would guess that through the '50's and '60's and the early '70's 170  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 the CPI probably has been up 3, or 4, or 5, or 6 times in that length of time. We haven't increased it at all. Everybody is concerned, as evidence by some of the other Bills that passed here, about drunk driving in Illinois. What we should do to detour the deaths and injuries and loss of family due to drunk drivers on the road, and we've approached it from the criminal side. But if you give people an economic disincentive as opposed to an incentive to be safe, we're going the wrong direction. And if we at least provide some sort of reasonable limits, and I suggest to you that a $30,000 limit for somebody who won't walk again isn't a whole lot of money. I suggest to you that... that that's a very reasonable way of going about it. The original Bill and some previous Bills that increased it 10 times. This would simply increase it one time, or double it, over 31 years, and at the same time, eliminate a cause of action that's existed forever. We keep the immunization against common law liability. Representative Regan really has the idea. I'd love to repeal the Dramshop Act, and let people proceed on common law liability, but the tavern owners don't want that. They want to have their cake and eat it too. And they're really getting it with this Amendment. This is a fair Bill. It's something that's long over due, and at the same time it absolutely balances the interests of everybody involved. It's one that's been not thought of lightly. The Amendment and the Bill were drafted very carefully with input from all sides involved, and I think represent a fair compromise to everybody's interest, and I urge a 'yes' vote."

"The question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. This is final action. The Gentleman from DeWitt to explain his vote. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted 171  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 who wish? Mr. Clerk... Yes, Miss Breslin, for what purpose... to explain your vote?"

"Yes, please."

"Proceed."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen. I worked on this Bill in Subcommittee. When it was originally introduced, it increased liabilities 2, or 3, or 4 hundred times. We got this Bill down working with the tavern keepers and with many varied interests including the insurance industry, and they said that this is a Bill that will not impact adversely on their industry. They agreed to support this Bill. The whole concept behind Dramshop is that there is an injured party, somebody who has been injured because of drunk driving or whatever, because of the adverse influence of alcohol. The man... the tavern keeper has profited by selling someone the alcohol, and rather than have the injured party incur all of the expenses of the damage, they should share in it with a cap of $30,000. I think it is a reasonable cap, especially considering the cost of health care today. The question is, should the negligent party and the tavern keeper share in the responsibility, or should... and what happens in many cases the... the injured party bear the whole loss. I think that is inappropriate. I think this Bill is a good Bill, and we ought to be sending it to the Senate."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Preston, one minute to explain your vote."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This is a good Bill. We just took away all that money from lawyers by the Malpractice Bill. Now, we got to give them back a little something with this Dramshop Bill. So, I think everybody should get on there and vote green."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Nash, one minute 172  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 to explain your vote."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. No one forces anybody to go to a tavern to drink, and this Bill, if it passes, is going to hurt Ma and Pa's who are trying to make a living out there."

"Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question there are 60 voting 'aye', 33 voting 'no', 22 voting 'present'. The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Panayotovich. Well, we'll get to you. Mr. Panayotovich, for what purpose to seek recognition?"

"Verification of the affirmative, please."

"And for what purpose do you seek recognition, Mr. Vinson?"

"What did the Gentleman say?"

"That Gentleman said, he wished to verify the Roll Call."

"That's what I was going to do, but I'll..."

"Alright. The Gentleman from Champaign, Mr. Johnson, asks for a Poll of the Absentees. Yes, Miss Pullen, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"

"To change my vote to 'aye', please."

"Miss Pullen goes from 'no' to 'aye'. Yes, poll the absentees. Excuse me. For what purpose does the Gentleman from Lake, Mr. Peterson, seek recognition?"

"Mr. Speak... Mr. Speaker, please change my vote from 'no' to 'aye'."

"Mr. Peterson, the Gentleman from Lake, goes from 'no' to 'aye'. Mr. Panayotovich."

"Withdraw. Withdraw my Motion."

"Mr. Panayotovich wishes to withdraw his request for a verification. The Lady from Cook, Miss Braun, for what purpose do you seek recognition? Miss Braun goes from 173  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 'no' to 'aye'. The Gentleman from DeWitt, Mr. Vinson, in fairness to you, Sir. Are you seeking recognition? No. Alright. On this question, there are 63 voting 'aye', 30 voting 'no', 22 voting 'present'. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Matijevich in the Chair."

"House Bill 1075, Oblinger. Clerk will read the Bill."

"House Bill 1075, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act relating to license and regulate the business of transit merchants. Third Reading of the Bill."

"The Lady from Sangamon, Representative Oblinger."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. This is a Bill that has to do with transit merchants. They are defined as people who sell from buildings, rooms, lots, or structures of any kind. And this Bill merely adds the word 'vehicle'. It appears that in a number of our downstate small towns, people are coming in from neighboring states with truckloads of furniture and other merchandise, selling it here and going back home. They don't pay any sales tax, of course, they don't pay any property tax. And our adjacent merchants are very upset with this practice that we've used. We've added one word, 'vehicle', to the Transit Merchant Act. I would ask for your affirmative vote."

"Representative Oblinger has moved for the passage of House Bill 1075, is there any discussion? Seeing none, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 1075 pass?' Those in favor signify by voting 'aye', opposed 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 117 'ayes', no nays'. And House Bill 1075, having received the 174  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 1093, Panayotovich. Clerk will read the Bill."

"House Bill 1083, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act in relation to licensing of private detectives, private alarm contractors, private security contractors. Third Reading of the Bill."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Panayotovich."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, House Bill 1083 was given to me from the Department of Registration and Education. Cleans up the Act, the Private Detective and Private Security Act of 1983. It adds the term, 'private alarm', to the 1983 Act. It defines what a private alarm contractor is. It provides for fees to be deposited in escrow with R and E. It specifies the training for employees. I know of no opposition to the Bill, and I move for passage of House 1083."

"Panayotovich has moved for the passage of House Bill 1083. There being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 1083 pass?' Those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 107 'ayes', no 'nays', 7 answering 'present'. House Bill 1083, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 1112, Ronan. Clerk will read the Bill."

"House Bill 1112, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of an Act in relation to the law in relation to counties. Third Reading of the Bill."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Al Ronan, on House Bill 1112."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like leave of the House 175  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 to bring House Bill 1112 back for Second Reading for an Amendment."

"The Gentleman asks leave to return House Bill 1112 back to the Order of Second Reading for the purpose of an Amendment and use of the Attendance Roll Call for that purpose. Does he have leave? Leave is granted. Amendments?"

"Amendment #1, offered by Representative Ronan, amends..."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Ronan."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Amendment #1 is an agreement that we worked out between the real estate industry and the cable TV industry concerning the right of access to properties, primarily in the City of Chicago. I'll be glad to answer any questions about the Amendment, and I move for its adoption."

"Representative Ronan moves the adoption of Amendment #1 to House Bill 1112. All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay', and Amendment #1 is adopted. Are there further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2, offered by Representative Kulas."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Kulas, on Amendment 2."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Amendment #2 has been signed off by the realtors and by the cable companies, and all the Amendment does is clarifies the law that no cable company shall install facilities within a residential building without... unless the occupant, tenant or lessee of such residential building requests delivery of such service. And I would move for its adoption." 176  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985

"Representative Kulas has moved for the adoption of Amendment #2. Representative Piel?"

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Gentleman yield to a quick question?"

"Yes. Proceed."

"Myron, I don't quite understand what... what this does. You know, you're sitting here... obviously, if a person... are you talking about... are these apartment buildings that you're talking about, or what?"

"Residential buildings, yes. I was saying it's the law now, but we just want this to be in the statutes that a company cannot wire a building if nobody in that building requested any service."

"Does this... Has this happened in the past, where they've had that type of a thing?"

"I... There have been complaints about it."

"Okay. Thank you."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Cullerton."

"Yes, I rise in support of this Amendment. This Amendment was suggested by one of our former Members, Alderman 'Dooley'. It came as a result of some practices on the northwest side of Chicago where the cable companies were giving the impression, through their literature, that they were going to be able to come in and wire a building for cable TV, even though no one ever asked for the service. A good number of the bungalow owners, the two flat owners on the northwest side where the cable is coming were very concerned about this, and so this Amendment clarifies that the cable companies are not going to come in and wire your house if no one in the house or the apartment has even asked for the services, so I think it's a good Amendment, and I support it." 177  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985

"Representative Kulas has moved for the adoption of Amendment #2. All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay', and Amendment #2 is adopted. Are there further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment... No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Representative Ronan asks leave and the use of the Attendance Roll Call for that purpose to have immediate consideration of House Bill 1112. Is there any objection? Seeing none, the Bill is on Third Reading. The Clerk will read the Bill."

"House Bill 1112, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act to revise the law in relation to counties. Third Reading of the Bill."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Ronan, on House Bill 1112."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I stated, this was an agreement that was reached by the real estate industry and the cable TV industry. It's a fair compromise. It will protect the rights of the homeowner, and at the same time, hopefully make the installation of cable TV in the City of Chicago move at a reasonable rate. I move for the passage of House Bill 1112."

"Representative Ronan has moved for the passage of House Bill 1112. The question is, 'Shall House Bill 1112 pass?' Those in favor signify by voting 'aye', opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 115 'ayes', no 'nays', and House Bill 1112, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Could the Chair have your attention? It is the intention of the Chair to work right straight through tonight until 10:00 p.m., which is a little longer than scheduled, but not as long as the 178  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 rumors, so we'll be here until 10:00 p.m., and we appreciate your hard work. Thank you. Somebody wanted a Roll Call on that. House Bill 1129, Barger. The Clerk will read the Bill."

"House Bill 1129, a Bill for an Act to amend the law concerning conditions of cable television franchises. Third Reading of the Bill."

"The Gentleman from DuPage, Representative Barger, on House Bill 1129. Representative Barger. Is Representative Barger in the chamber? I don't want to pass his Bill up if he's around. Representative Vinson, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"

"Madam... Mr. Speaker, I wonder if we could have leave to come back to this Bill when the Gentleman returns?"

"Alright. Let's have leave to return to this Bill. Leave is granted, and we'll return to this Bill. House Bill 1260, Bullock. You're next. The Clerk will read the Bill."

"House Bill 1260, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act in relationship to governmental agencies. Third Reading of the Bill."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Bullock, on House Bill 1260."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Assembly. I'd like to request leave of the Body to return 1260 to the Order of Second Reading for purpose of Amendment."

"The Gentleman asks leave the use of the Attendance Roll Call to return House Bill 1260 to the Order of Second Reading for the purpose of Amendment. Is there any objection? Seeing none, the Bill is on Second Reading. Are there Amendments?"

"Amendment #1, Bullock, amends House Bill 1260." 179  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Bullock, on Amendment #1."

"Mr. Speaker, I'd like to request leave to withdraw Amendment #1."

"Leave to withdraw Amendment #1. Leave, and Amendment #1 is withdrawn. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2, Keane - Bullock, amends House Bill 1260."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Jim Keane, on Amendment #2."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. House... Amendment #2 to House Bill 1260 deletes the Section which deals with the Auditor General conducting performance audits of all governmental agencies under review."

"Representative Keane moves for the adoption of Amendment #2. Is there any discussion? Seeing none, all in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay, and Amendment #2 is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #3, Oblinger, amends House Bill 1260 on page three and so forth."

"Representative Oblinger on Amendment #3 to House Bill 1260."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Amendment now carries out the intent of the Bill as originally drawn. It named a number of universities and forgot to say, 'but not limited to these,' and so we added Chicago State and the words, 'not limited to,' so that it would include all the universities in the state being eligible for this."

"Representative Oblinger moves for the adoption of Amendment #1. Representative Bullock, are you in agreement?"

"Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I proudly stand in support of Representative Oblinger. She's 180  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 worked hard on this. I committed in Committee to adopt the Amendment. I'd urge the Amendment's adoption."

"All in favor of Amendment #3 say 'aye', opposed 'nay', and Amendment #3 is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third... Third Reading. And Representative Bullock asks leave of the use of the Attendance Roll Call for the immediate consideration of House Bill 1260. Is there any objection? Seeing none, leave is granted. The Clerk will read the Bill."

"House Bill 1260, a Bill for an Act in relationship to the evaluation of governmental agencies. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Bullock."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'd like to just hold the Bill on Third Reading and come back to it."

"Alright. The Bill will be held on Third and leave to return. House Bill 1339, Berrios. The Clerk will read the Bill."

"House Bill 1339, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Vehicle Code. Third Reading of the Bill."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Joe Berrios, on House Bill 1339."

"Mr. Speaker, I'd ask leave to put this Bill into Interim Study."

"The Gentleman asks leave and the use of the Attendance Roll Call to return House Bill 1339 to the Order of Second Reading."

"Interim Study."

"Oh, Interim Study. You'll get leave for that. Leave to return House Bill 1339 to Interim Study. Leave? House Bill 1339 is committed to Interim Study." 181  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 House Bill 1340, Berrios. Clerk will read the Bill."

"House Bill 1340, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Vehicle Code. Third Reading of the Bill."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Joe Berrios."

"House Bill 1340 provides that tow trucks be inspected twice a year, and it also provides that the Department of Transportation set up safety standards and test for them. This Bill is supported by the Professional Towing and Recovery Operators of Illinois, and I would ask for a favorable Roll Call."

"Representative Berrios has moved for the passage of House Bill 1340. Is there any discussion? Seeing none, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 1340 pass?' Those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 104 'ayes', 5 'nays', 4 answering 'present', and House Bill 1340, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 1341, Berrios. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 1341, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Vehicle Code. Third Reading of the Bill."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Joe Berrios."

"Thank you, Speaker, Members of the House. House Bill 1341 gives tow trucks a weight variance when moving heavy vehicles on highways and states that no tow truck shall be allowed to tow a vehicle more than 50 miles on a highway unless they receive permission from the authority. I would ask for a favorable Roll Call."

"Representative Berrios has moved for the passage of House Bill 1341. The Gentleman from Cook, 182  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 Representative David Harris."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Question of the Sponsor."

"He indicates he will yield."

"Representative, the... I have a synopsis which indicates that this prohibits any two truck from towing a vehicle which does not have valid registration plates. Is that correct?"

"Correct. Unless ordered to do so by a law enforcement agency."

"So, in other words, if a vehicle does... is not properly registered in the State of Illinois, and it... but it's improperly parked, it can't be towed away?"

"It can, with the authority of the law enforcement agency."

"Well, I'm not... I don't... I'm not sure I understand why the necessity for... or prohibition against towing with the valid license plates. I mean, if the law enforcement authorities say that you can tow it, whether or not it has valid plates... "

"If they say to tow it, they can tow it."

"Okay. So, what is the reason, then... Help me out. What is the reason for the prohibition against towing without valid license plates?"

"I forget which department wanted that in there. I think it was DOT. I'm not sure."

"Thank you."

"The Gentleman from Will, Representative LeRoy Van Duyne."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'd like to ask the Gentleman a question, also."

"Proceed."

"Representative Berrios, you said that it gives them permission, when laden, to exceed the single and tandem 193  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 axle limitations of 40,000 pounds. Now, don't you eliminate that in Amendment #1? It deletes the entire provisions of the Bill, which would... which would be that part of the Bill."

"No, it's supposed to put it off... No, Amendment 1 just rewrites the entire Bill and puts that... it's in there."

"Well, I'm just reading from the synopsis here, and it says that Amendment #1 deletes the entire provisions of the Bill, which would negate the 22,000 and the 40,000 pounds, and then it amends the Vehicle Code, prohibits any tow truck from towing a vehicle which does not have... does not have valid registration plates, and I... and I would take that to mean that the 40,000 pounds is out. Also now, what do you do about junkyards, when they want to take... I mean parts stores when they dismantle a vehicle and it still has wheels on it and they hook it onto a tow truck and they want to take it to a junkyard which smashes them up, you mean to tell me they got to get permission from the local authorities or else have a valid license plate on it? Or - and let me go one step further - does the tow truck operator have to buy another set of plates for... his own plates for that vehicle?"

"I don't... I don't think so. But no, basically what they wanted was that, you know, they were trying to prevent thefts of vehicles on the highways, basically. I would think if it's just going from a junkyard to a crusher, it wouldn't have to."

"Okay. Then... Then I'm to... As legislative intent, I was to understand, then, that if I was towing... If I was a tower and I was going to take all the guys' junkyard stuff to the crusher, then I wouldn't have to get a license for that. Okay, thank you."

"Right." 184  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985

"Representative Mays."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I stand in support of this Bill. The reason it's been introduced is to try to clarify some safety standpoints of the towing industry. Obviously, I think this Bill as amended gets into the weight limits and also into the length of the given truck to be towed over a certain period... certain mileage, and the intent is to make a, you know, to make it a safer procedure, and for that reason, I stand in support of this Bill."

"The Gentleman from Knox, Representative . Hawkinson."

"Will the Sponsor yield for a question, please?"

"Proceed."

"Representative, I'm still having difficulty understanding why you would want to prohibit the towing of a vehicle just because it doesn't have license plates, whether or not a police officer gives authority. What kind of problem are you trying to prevent, here?"

"Basically theft, I'm pretty sure."

"Pardon?"

"Theft, I'm pretty sure."

"What difference would it make whether there was a license plate on the vehicle or not, if the person in mind had theft in mind?"

"Because, from what I'm told, bandit towing industries come and take vehicles off the side of the roads when they're not authorized."

"Well, couldn't they take the vehicle whether it had a license plate or not?"

"They can do that now, but what we're trying to do is, you know, make sure that the authorities know where the heck these cars are at, if they don't have any plates on 195  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 them."

"Well, if they had theft in mind, they could take the plates off very quickly, it seems to me. I just don't see any rationale for the Bill, and therefore, I would vote 'no'." peaker Matijevich: "Representative Berrios to close."

"The... Like I said, the towing industry is for this Bill. They're looking for ways to make the towing industry, you know, a little more safer. They're being ticketed at times when they're towing these heavy trucks, and that's all they're really looking for, and I would ask for a favorable Roll Call."

"Representative Berrios has moved for the passage of House Bill 1341. Those in favor signify by voting 'aye', opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 62 'aye', 33 'nays', 15 answering 'present'. House Bill 1341, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. We had leave to return to House Bill 1129, Barger. Clerk will read the Bill, and Representative Allen Greiman in the Chair."

"House Bill 1129, brought back to Second Reading. House Bill 1129, a Bill for an Act to amend the law concerning conditions of cable television franchises. Third Reading of the Bill."

"The Gentleman from DuPage, Mr. Barger, on House Bill 1119 (sic - 1129)."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen, this Bill is to correct a small problem in the area of cable television. It seems that when the rules regulating cable television were promulgated, the control was given to the local municipalities, and in one of the areas where the 186  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 house movers from my district are moving houses, one of the cable TV companies is charging $1300 a connection to disconnect the wire, take it down and reconnect it. This Bill says that any charges for that type of service should be reasonable and proper. This does not give the authority to the state or to any governmental agency to set the price. The home... The house movers and the cable TV company are to make the agreement between themselves and only in case they can't come to an agreement and it would go to the Circuit Court for a decision, would the government be involved. I thank you very much and I ask your support on this relatively simple Bill. Thank you."

"The Gentleman from DuPage moves for the passage of House Bill 1129. And on that, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. O'Connell."

"Question of the Sponsor."

"Indicates he'll yield for a question."

"This Bill, it only applies to fees that are charged by the cable company when a house is moved from one location in a franchise area to another location in a franchised area?"

"This fee only applies for removing a service connection to allow an oversize object to move down the street, whether it be a house or a piece of heavy equipment."

"Presently, in the various franchise agreements, isn't it commonplace that the franchiser or the municipality requires that the cable company pay the costs for any wire removal or displacement of light poles or what have you in order to move a structure?"

"No, it is not. The cable TV... This is not uniform across the state. There is a possibility that it might be, and if it is, I haven't heard of it. But this would require the mover of the object to pay the cable company a 187  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 reasonable amount of money to disconnect and reconnect the service."

"What about the disconnection of other utilities?"

"They are all covered under the Illinois Commerce Commission."

"And there was actually an instance where a cable company charged $1300 to disconnect one?"

"Right. And they thought it was unreasonable, yet there was no recourse because there was no law covering it."

"Well, to the Bill. I wholeheartedly support this Bill, if for no other reason, to eliminate any other abuse, however isolated it may be, because $1300 to disconnect the service line is outrageous."

"Thank you, Sir."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Steczo."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Would the Sponsor yield?"

"Indicates he'll yield for a question."

"Representative Barger, it's my understanding when this legislation was introduced, that there was a problem with the cable TV industry. That problem has now been resolved. Is that correct?"

"That problem has been resolved."

"Thank you. No further questions, Mr. Speaker."

"The question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. This is final action. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 113 voting 'aye', none voting 'no', none voting 'present'. This Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On the Order of House Bills Third Reading - State Regulation appears House Bill 1362. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 1362, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act 188  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 for the regulation of pawnbrokers. Third Reading of the Bill."

"The Gentleman from Rock Island, Mr. Brunsvold, on House Bill 1362."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I now hold in my hand the last pawnshop Bill. 1362 merely clarifies language in the Pawnshop Act dealing with convicted theft, a person pawning items that has been convicted of a theft, and it just clarifies that language. Also, Amendment 1 takes out the word 'larceny' and inserts 'theft'. I would ask for the passage of 1362."

"The Gentleman from Rock Island has moved for the passage of House Bill 1362. And on that, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All in favor say 'aye'... vote 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is now open, and this is final action. Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 114 voting 'aye', none voting 'no', none voting 'present'. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On the Order of House Bills Third Reading - State Regulation appears House Bill 1510. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 1510, a Bill for an Act to amend the Liquor Control Act. Third Reading of the Bill."

"The Gentleman from Bureau, Mr. Mautino."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 1510 is legislation recommended by the administration in the Liquor Control Commission as it pertains to licensure hearings which, under the original legislation, is open to the... all liquor license hearings now will be open to the public as well as providing for a review of the record if, in fact, there is a license 189  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 suspension, and there would be no de novo or new trial on the same issuance. The Amendments that were adopted were to make it a state-wide provision which is now only the case in Chicago. They'd be operating under the same provisions, which would include Cook County as well as the City of Chicago and the rest of the State of Illinois. Also included was the Amendment recommended by the Administration, which is the 'Tide-House'. That Amendment sets forth the fact that if a corporation such as a motel, a hotel or a restaurant applies for a license in the State of Illinois, there is a provision which will allow the Liquor Commission to grant that license if, in fact, that license applicant is also the manufacturer of a product which will be less than 10 percent of the sales made at that establishment. That's what the Bill does, and I move for its adoption."

"The Gentleman from Bureau."

"Excuse me. I apologize. I understand the Amendment, #2, which included, 'or county board,' to have the same provisions has not been adopted. Therefore, I move to take 1510 back to Second Reading for that adoption."

"The Gentleman from Bureau asks leave of the House to return this Bill to the Order of Second Reading for the purpose of an Amendment. Does the Gentleman have leave? You have leave. Mr. Clerk, are there any Amendments?"

"Amendment #2, Mautino, amends House Bill 1510."

"The Gentleman from Bureau, Mr. Mautino, on Amendment 2."

"It adds three words - 'or county board' to those entities that must also pass a Resolution for adoption of this legislation. That's what the Amendment does."

"The Gentleman from Bureau moves for the 190  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 adoption of Amendment 2 to House Bill 1510. And on that, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #2 be adopted?' All in favor say 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. The Amendment's adopted. Further Amendments."

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. The Gentleman from Bureau asks leave of the House that this... to waive Rule 37(c) so that this Bill may be heard this afternoon. Does the Gentleman have leave to use the Attendance Roll Call? Leave. Leave is granted. Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 1510, a Bill for an Act to amend the Liquor Control Act. Third Reading of the Bill."

"The Gentleman from Bureau, Mr. Mautino."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The legislation does exactly as I presented with the two Amendments, and I ask for the adoption. The Amendment #2 was local control Amendment. Thank you."

"The Gentleman from Bureau moves for the passage of House Bill 1510. And on that, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is now open, and this is final action. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 115 voting 'aye', none voting 'no', none voting 'present'. This Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On page 19 of the Calendar on the Order of House Bills Second Reading - State Regulation appears House Bill 1057. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 1057, a Bill for an Act in relationship to..." 191  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985

"Excuse me, Mr. Clerk. Excuse me. Yes, Mr. Richmond? For what purpose do you seek recognition?"

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'd request that this Bill be put on Interim Study."

"The Gentleman asks leave of the House for this Bill... House Bill 1057 to be placed on the Order of Interim Study. Does the Gentleman have leave? Leave is granted. Alright. You are a role model for us all, Mr. Richmond. Thank you. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading - State Regulation appears House Bill 1642. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill. Are there any Amendments?"

"House Bill 1642 amends an Act relating to certain custodians of public money, has been read a second time previously."

"Are there any Motions?"

"No Motions."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Yes, Mr. Steczo?"

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. With this Bill having been read a second time previously, I would move the... to have the Bill heard on Third Reading today."

"The Gentleman asks leave of the House to waive the appropriate rule so that House Bill 1642 may be heard at this time. Does the Gentleman have leave of the Attendance Roll Call? He has leave. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 1642, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act relating to certain custodians of public money. Third Reading of the Bill."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Steczo."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. House Bill 1642 amends the Act which relates to publishing certain 192  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 statements by units of local government. There has been meetings over the last few years that would... that try to simplify the process. House Bill 1642 is a product of those meetings. The Bill requires that forms shall be devised by the State Comptroller's Office. It provides that a revenue summary be provided by the units of local government. It provides that a summary should be provided listing all persons to receive payments totalling $500 or more in a fiscal year, and the gross salary of each employee must be listed, and it adds a requirement. This is the only addition, really, that a requirement should be... is provided that the statement must include changes and fund balances. What we're doing under this Bill is providing a consolidation of the financial status that a unit of local government is required to report, and it also increases the time by which the unit of local government must publish from 90 days to 60... to 100... to six months, rather, after these bills are incurred. It also provides an easier method for the auditors who compile all this financial information from units of local government. There will be standard forms and these... the one audit would provide the information for all the forms rather than having three separate distinct sets of forms, and in some cases, more than one audit done, in order to provide this information."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Steczo, has moved for the passage of House Bill 1642. Is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is now open, and this is final action. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 114 voting 'aye', none voting 'no', none voting 'present', 193  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 and this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading - State Regulation appears House Bill 1884. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 1884, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Funeral or Burial Funds Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"House Amendment #1, McGann, amends House Bill 1884."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. McGann, on Amendment #1 to House Bill 1884."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, I withdraw Amendment #1."

"Amendment #1 is withdrawn. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2, Leverenz, amends House Bill 1884."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Leverenz, on Amendment #2. Mr. Leverenz. Mr. Leverenz, on Amendment #2."

"Want to withdraw that Amendment."

"Amendment #2 is withdrawn. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #3, Leverenz, amends..."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Leverenz, on Amendment #3."

"We will withdraw 3."

"Amendment #3 is withdrawn. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #4, Leverenz, amends..."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Leverenz, on Amendment #4."

"Amendment #4 would provide for a full disclosure to 194  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 the purchaser, and I would move for the adoption of Amendment #4."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Leverenz, moves for the adoption of Amendment #4 to House Bill 1884. And on that, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Mr... I'm sorry. The Gentleman from DeWitt, Mr. Vinson."

"I accept the Amendment."

"Further discussion? Being none, the question... The Gentleman from Cook, Mr... Mr. McGann."

"Mr. Speaker and Members of the Assembly, I rise in opposition to Amendment #4. This Amendment is already in the Federal Trade Commission's regulations for funeral directors. I don't think we have to have this duplicity of this... in this Amendment #4."

"Further discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #4 be adopted?' All in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #5, Leverenz, amends House Bill..."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Leverenz, on Floor Amendment 5."

"I want to withdraw Amendment 5."

"5 is withdrawn. Further Amendments."

"Floor Amendment #6, Leverenz."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Leverenz."

"Amendment #6 would make it unlawful for a provider of funeral services or merchandise to directly or indirectly prohibit, hinder or restrict another person involved with the trade. I understand it be part of the Federal Trade Commission rulings, and I would move for the adoption of the Amendment."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Leverenz, moves 195  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 for the adoption of Amendment 6 to House Bill 1884. And on that, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall this Amendment be adopted?' All in favor say 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. The Amendment's adopted. Further Amendments."

"Floor Amendment #6, Leverenz, amends House Bill 1884."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Leverenz."

"Floor Amendment #7, Leverenz, amends House Bill 1884."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Leverenz, on Amendment #7."

"Amendment #7, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, would provide that the holder of the money in trust would provide the balance to the next of kin, and I would move for the adoption of the Amendment."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Leverenz, moves for the adoption of Amendment 7 to House Bill 1884. And is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall this Amendment be adopted?' All in favor say 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. The Amendment's adopted. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #8, Leverenz, amends House Bill 1884."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Leverenz, on Amendment #8."

"#8 would provide that the contract would be irrevocable, and it would provide simply, I believe, that the customer would be in the driver's seat and has the right to have it that way."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Leverenz, moves for the adoption of Amendment 8 to House Bill 1884. There 136  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #8 be adopted?' All in favor say 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. The Amendment's adopted. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #9, Cullerton, amends House Bill 1884."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Cullerton, on Amendment #9."

"I think that's... I think that's mine. Have you got that? Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. It merely adds the word 'knowingly'. I move for the adoption of Amendment #9. I move for the adoption of Amendment #9."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Cullerton, moves for the adoption of Amendment 9 to House Bill 1884..."

"I'm sorry. Mr... Mr. Speaker?"

"Yes?"

"I'd like to withdraw 9 and go with 10."

"Alright. Amendment #9 will be withdrawn. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #10, Cullerton, amends House Bill..."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Cullerton, on Amendment #10."

"Yes, Amendment #10 is correct. It does the same thing as #9 did, but #9 was incorrect, so it's technically correct. I move for the adoption of Amendment #10."

"The Gentleman from Cook moves for the adoption of Amendment 10 to House Bill 1884. Is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall this Amendment be adopted?' All in favor say 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?" 197  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985

"Floor Amendment #11, McGann - Vinson, amends House Bill..."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. McGann, on Amendment #11."

"Mr. Speaker, I withdraw Amendment #11."

"#11 is withdrawn. Further Amendments."

"Floor Amendment #12, Vinson, amends House Bill 1884."

"The Gentleman from DeWitt, Mr. Vinson, on Amendment #12."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Assembly. I believe that Amendment #12 represents a reasonable compromise of this issue. What Amendment #12 will do is to reduce the trust requirement figure in the original Bill from 95 percent to 75 percent. That will permit the person charged with trusting to utilize up to 20 percent of the money paid for the pre-need equipment or realty, initially. Right off the top, you can utilize the first 20 percent. Then, during the course of construction, he may make regular draws against the amount in construction. The fact that he can make the regular draws against the amount in construction makes this Bill far more reasonable than the original Bill as introduced. It makes it... It accommodates the separate nature of the cemetery industry, which they have argued for. Now, I said in Committee, when this Bill came out, that I would cause meetings to occur to try to solicit everybody's opinion and to try to put together a consensus on this issue. I want the Members of this chamber and the Members of the Executive Committee in particular, where this Bill was, to understand that during that time, I convened at least four... no, at least five meetings on the subject. We heard from everybody from the Comptroller to the Cardinal 198  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 to the insurance industry to the cemetery industry to individual cemeterians who were not represented by the cemetery industry to funeral directors to individual funeral directors who weren't represented by the funeral industry. That group was a fascinating group to listen to discussions on. I came to the conclusion personally that the Bill, as introduced, was unduly restrictive, and I came to conclusions that the Comptroller's Bill was not an adequate solution to the problem. I believe this Bill, as amended by this Amendment and as amended by the next Amendment, which Mr. McGann will offer in conjunction with myself, is a reasonable identification of the public interest in this area, and I would move for the adoption of Amendment #12."

"The Gentleman from DeWitt moves for the adoption of Amendment #12 to House Bill 1994. And on that, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. McNamara."

"Yes, if I could just ask one question."

"Proceed, Sir."

"As the Bill... As this Bill is now amended as of this day with this Amendment on, am I to understand correctly that the cemetery owners are also in favor of this particular Amendment?"

"No, Sir. Not at all. I don't... I do not want to mislead anybody. What I said was that I convened meetings, found it impossible for the various groups to arrive at any absolute consensus at this point. As a consequence, I chose a middle ground between the two groups, and that is what this particular Amendment represents."

"Thank you."

"Further discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Pedersen." 199  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985

"Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"Indicates he'll yield for a question."

"In Committee, when the cemetery people were in there, they talked about having worked over several years with the Comptroller on this, and that they had come from zero to 50 percent, and I think that their feeling is that, that to go halfway, as it were, was the... a great compromise, and now you're talking going about... going up to 75 percent, and they have not agreed on the 75 percent. Is that correct?"

"The Gentleman from DeWitt, Mr. Vinson."

"Thank you. Representative, number one, they have not agreed on the 75 percent. Number two, in my judgment and the reason that I went with the 75 percent figure, the 50 percent figure is inadequate to protect the public interest - the consumer interest - in this issue. Because I could not get the two groups to agree, I personally chose to introduce this Amendment and the next Amendment which I believe do embody the public interest in this issue."

"Have the Catholic cemeteries agreed on this?"

"As amended by Amendments 12 and 13, they have."

"It... It's also true that the first time that this was proposed to the Executive Committee, that it failed."

"Yes, that is correct."

"No more questions."

"Further discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #12... I'm sorry, Mr. Brookins. Mr. Brookins, the Gentleman from Cook."

"Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of this Assembly, we have been working with this Bill for some time now. We have talked with the people from the cemeteries, and we have talked with the people from the funeral industry. The funeral industry, people have given and moved. This is a 200  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 consumer type Bill. We feel that this takes care of the cemetery interests and the funeral industry. And also, it gives some measure of protection to the consumers. We started out saying that 95 percent of all money should, be placed in a trust account fund. We know that in some cases, this was a strain, so we moved. We moved to a 75 percent situation. We moved to where we feel everyone can live with. I have learned that, in government, like in everything, compromise is the order of the day. We have compromised. We have attempted to meet all needs, that of the consumer and that of the cemetery folks, along with those of the funeral directors. I urge an 'aye' vote on this Bill."

"Further discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #12 be adopted?' All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. The Amendment's adopted. Further Amendments."

"Floor Amendment #13, McGann - Vinson, amends House Bill 1884."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. McGann, on Amendment #13."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, before I get into Amendment #13, so there would be no problem, is there any way I can be registered there that I did not vote on the Amendment 12 because of a conflict of interest. I... Could that be recorded?"

"It will be journalized."

"Thank you. On Amendment #13, this Amendment is a two part Amendment. The part that I play in it will be for the exemption of religious cemeteries from the fund deposit of the 75 percent. All religious cemeteries in the past have been exempted, and it's the feeling that it should 201  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 continue, and with the help of Representative Vinson, he is allowing this Amendment to go on his Bill in order to take care of the religious cemeteries. I would like now, if you don't mind, Members of the Assembly, for Representative Vinson to explain the second part of this Amendment involving a life insurance company."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. McGann, has moved for the adoption of Amendment #13 to House Bill 1884. Is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall this Amendment be adopted?' All in favor say 'aye', those opposed say 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. The Amendment's adopted. Further Amendment."

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Mr. Vinson, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, has this Bill been..."

"It has been read just today, and it cannot be called on the Order of Third Reading."

"Thank you. Thank you."

"On the Order of House Bills Second Reading - State Regulation appears House Bill 1902. Mr. Clerk, this Bill has been previously read. Are there any further Amendments?"

"House Bill 1902, which amends the Illinois Security Laws, has been read a second time previously. Amendment #1 was adopted. Next Amendment is Floor Amendment #2, Vinson."

"The Gentleman from DeWitt on Amendment #2."

"Withdraw Amendment #2."

"Amendment #2 is withdrawn. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #3, Brunsvold, amends House Bill 202  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 1902."

"The Gentleman from Rock Island, Mr. Brunsvold, on Amendment #3."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Amendment #3 addresses Subsection H and R of Section IV of the Illinois Security Act. The Amendment would, in fact, deal with the federal regulation that states that sellers of securities must register their advertising when they sell to anyone. This Amendment would, in fact, exempt people who are one, make over $200,000 a year for three years or have a net worth of over a million dollars. The Amendment addresses the fact that we feel that the enforcement cost in manpower to actually affect the regulation of selling of securities to these affluent people is basically a waste of... a waste of time and a waste of manpower and money. And we'd like to exempt those individuals out. So that's the thrust of the Amendment and would ask for the adoption."

"The Gentleman from Rock Island, Mr. Brunsvold, has moved for the adoption of Amendment 3 to House Bill 1902. Is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. O'Connell."

"Mr. Speaker... "

"Excuse me, Mr. O'Connell. Excuse me, Mr. O'Connell. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, it is now ten minutes to four, and in ten minutes, at 4:00, there will be a deadline with the Clerk for receiving vote changes on the Consent Calendar. So if you have any change on the Special Consent Calendar, it must be here at the well by 4:00. If you are not changing your vote on any of those Bills, you need not file any document. I'm sorry, Mr. O'Connell. Please proceed."

"Mr. Speaker, it's just an inquiry. On the board it says 'Reading 3'." 203  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985

"We are on the Order of Second Reading."

"It must be my eyes."

"The Gentleman from DeWitt, Mr. Vinson."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Assembly. The purpose of the Gentleman's Amendment would be to... attack a provision in the Bill that has been thoroughly agreed and is thoroughly supported by the vast majority of the securities industry in the State of Illinois. It is supported by the securities industry in the State of Illinois, and it is supported by the Secretary of State, the Secretary of State's Securities Commissioner because it tracks existing federal law. It is critically important for us, in this field, where we can, to track existing federal law so that we can limit the extraordinary legal costs involved in this field. What the Gentleman would do would be to permit the use of an exemption that is designed to specifically relate to very wealthy, very knowledgeable investors. The use of that exemption through general advertising in newspapers, in perhaps the National Enquirer and things of that nature. There is the potential risk that that exemption could be broadened, and by accident, could begin to include old grandmothers who are not knowledgeable investors, is the evil that we have to avoid here, and to do that, we have to reject the Gentleman's Amendment. If we're going to grant a... an exemption from certain registration and filing requirements for fat cat investors, then we have to be very careful that those... that that exemption is not utilized by unscrupulous people through compulsive advertising. This is a provision designed to facilitate knowledgeable investing and certainly not the kind of investing that would be solicited through mass advertising. I would strongly urge a 'no' vote on this Amendment, Mr. Speaker." 204  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985

"Further discussion? There being none, the Gentleman from Rock Island to close. Mr. Brunsvold."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Representative Vinson argues from an unusual point of view. He is saying that federal regulation, which is not law. This regulation being formed by bureaucrats, he's arguing their point is right. I disagree with that point of view, and I stress again that the people that are exempted under this Amendment are people that are making over $200,000 per year, are net worths of over one million dollars and are affluent and have the resources to deal with advertising on securities. And with that, I would ask your 'aye' vote on this Amendment #3."

"The question is, 'Shall Amendment #3 be adopted?' All in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair... All in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 70 voting 'aye', 38 voting 'no', none voting 'present', and the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments."

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. The Gentleman from DeWitt, Mr... Excuse me. The Gentleman from DeWitt, Mr. Vinson."

"Mr. Speaker, I would ask leave of the Assembly to hear this Bill on Third Reading immediately."

"The Gentleman asks leave to use the Attendance Roll Call for waiving Rule 37(c) so that this Bill may be heard at this time. Does the Gentleman have leave to use the Attendance Roll Call? The Gentleman has leave. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 1902, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Securities Law. Third Reading of the Bill." 205  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Vinson... The Gentleman from DeWitt, Mr. Vinson."

"Thank you. Mr. Speaker and Members of the Assembly, the... this is a technical rewrite of the Illinois Securities Law. It makes no fundamental... fundamental philosophical changes in the Act that we passed in 1983. It does make certain technical changes that are designed to make either the requirements of the law more explicit and put the person who has to... who is regulated under the law more on notice as to what occurs. The major changes in the Bill deal with mutual fund regulation, dealer sales... dealer salesman investment advisor licensing in the state and enforcement. I believe that it is a good Bill. I stand ready to answer any specific questions, and I would urge an Affirmative Roll Call on this Bill."

"The Gentleman from DeWitt moves for the passage of House Bill 1902. And on that, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is now open, and this is final action. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 113 voting 'aye', none voting 'no', 2 voting 'present', and this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On page 47 of the Calendar on the Order of Motions appears House Bill 405. Out of the Record. On the Order of House Bills... on Motions appears House Bill 414. Out of the Record. Yes, Mr. Churchill on 414."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Having voted on the prevailing side of House Bill 414, I will now make a Motion that we reconsider the vote by which it failed. It is my understanding that it is the intent of the original Sponsor of this Bill to take the Bill back and put it into Interim 206  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 Study. I understand that it... that the Sponsor asked that it be placed in Postponed Consideration, and unfortunately, the announcement had already come announcing that the Bill had failed, so at this time, I would make that Motion."

"The Gentleman from Lake, Mr. Churchill, having voted on the prevailing side, moves to reconsider the vote by which House Bill 414 failed. And on that, is there any discussion? There being none, all those in favor of the Motion signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Motion is adopted. Mr... Mr. Ropp, the Gentleman from McLean."

"Yeah, now, Mr... I guess I asked for the proper procedure now. May I ask leave of the House to place this Bill on Interim Study, or... "

"Mr. Ropp, are you the Sponsor of this Bill?"

"Yes, Sir."

"Alright, yes. The Gentleman from McLean, Mr. Ropp, asks leave of the House to place this Bill on the Order of Interim Study. Does the Gentleman have leave? You have leave, Sir. Now, on the Order of Motions, page 48 appears House Bill 692, Mr. Berrios."

"Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, pursuant to Rule 73(a) and having voted on the prevailing side, I move to reconsider the vote by which House Bill 692 failed. Failed. I said 'failed'."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Berrios, having voted on the prevailing side, now moves that the vote by which House Bill 692 failed be reconsidered. And on that, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall this Motion... should the Motion be carried?' All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Motion carries. Yes. The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. 207  STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 Cullerton, asks leave of the House to allow House Bill 692 to be heard at this time. Does the Gentleman have leave? He has leave. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill. 692. The Gentleman from DeWitt, Mr. Vinson."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, on a point of personal privilege, seated next to Representative Davis and the Republican Leadership, you'll find Attorney General Neil Hartigan, and I just thought that people on the floor ought to have the opportunity to say 'hello' to him."

"House Bill 692, a Bill for an Act in relationship to state police. Third Reading of the Bill."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Cullerton."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I believe this Bill, which deals with the state police patrolling the interstate highways throughout the state, we believe we've reached an agreement with those who originally were opposed to it. I would be happy to answer any questions. I would appreciate your support."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Cullerton, moves for the passage of House Bill 692. And on that, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is now open, and this is final action. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 79 voting 'aye', 36 voting 'no', 3 voting 'present'. This Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Ladies and Gentlemen, as was previously announced, we will be going on rather late, and I am advised that the Speaker of the House and the Minority Leader will provide some sort of dinner in their respective offices, so that those of you who are concerned about your dinners, the Speaker of the 208  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 House and the Minority Leader are going to pop tonight. The hour of 4:00 having arrived, we will now close the time within which you may deposit your change of votes. Ms. Koehler, come on. Alright. We are now about to close them. Alright. The vote change procedure is now closed. I am advised that Mr. Daniels' food will be served in the hallway outside of his office. Yes, for what purpose does the Gentleman from Cook, Mr. McGann, seek recognition?"

"Would you, Mr. Speaker, entertain placing House Bill 507 in Interim Study at this time?"

"507?"

"507."

"Yes. Mr. McGann, you are the principal Sponsor of House Bill 507?"

"That is correct, Mr. Speaker."

"Mr. McGann asks leave of the House to place House Bill 507 in Interim Study. Does the Gentleman have leave? You have leave, Sir."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker."

"Mr. Steczo, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'd ask leave of the House to place House Bill 768 on the Interim Study Calendar."

"You are the principal Sponsor of House Bill 768?"

"Yes, Mr. Speaker."

"Alright. Yes, the Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Steczo, asks leave of the House to place House Bill 768 on the Order of Interim Study, and you have leave, Sir. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading - Pensions appears House Bill 94. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 94, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Pension Code. Second Reading of the Bill." 209  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions with respect to Amendment #1?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2, Preston, amends House Bill 94 as amended."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Preston, on Amendment #2. Mr. Preston?"

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. What Amendment #2 does for teachers is to give them maternity leave credit that is equivalent to the military leave that's given to, of course, male personnel who leave their teaching positions to enter military service, and that is to raise the maternity leave credit to 20... a maximum 24 months from its current position of 12 months to put them on parity with others. The pension impact... fiscal impact or pension impact note is... has very little dollar amount impact, and it would give teachers who have to leave their profession for maternity leave an extra benefit to get their family started and still after, then having an opportunity to pay into the pension system and bring it up to where it should be, it will give them up to 24 months leave credit, and I'd ask for your 'aye' vote."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Preston, has moved for the adoption of Amendment 2 to House Bill 94. And on that, the Gentleman from Madison, Mr. Wolf."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. It's with a great deal of reluctance that I rise to resist the Amendment as proposed by Representative Preston. I can well appreciate the circumstances and the situation that he's trying to address. The situation, however, is this: this would constitute an extraordinary expansion of the benefits under this pension system, and even though the 210  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 Economic and Fiscal Commission has not come up with a cost factor, they are unable, at this time, to come to an intelligent cost factor. In view of that, we would resist this Amendment and ask that you vote 'no'."

"The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of Amendment #2. Is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Representative White. Representative McPike in the Chair."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, as Chief Sponsor of House Bill 94, because of the remarks made by Representative Wolf, I concur with the fact that this Bill is too costly for the Pension System, and I would like for the Members to join with me in opposing this Amendment. I'm opposing his Amendment, Amendment 2 to House Bill 94."

"The Gentleman is rising in opposition to Amendment #2. Is that correct?"

"That is correct."

"Further discussion? Further discussion? Representative Preston."

"To close, Mr. Speaker? Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Again, what this Bill merely does, and I use that term intentionally, is to give teachers in Illinois who have taken time off from their job to have a family, the opportunity to have the same amount of maternity leave - 24 months - that someone who leaves teaching for the military might have, which is 24 months, and gives them, mothers really, parity with soldiers in terms of the leave that they're entitled to. This benefits teachers. This benefits teachers throughout the State of Illinois, and I'd ask for your 'aye' vote."

"The Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment #2. All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', opposed 'no'. 'Nos' have it, and the Amendment's defeated. 211  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #3, Keane, amends House Bill 94 as amended."

"Amendment #3. The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Keane."

"Withdraw. Withdraw."

"The Gentleman withdraws Amendment #3. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #4, LeFlore, amends House Bill 94."

"Representative LeFlore, Amendment #4."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I move for the adoption of Amendment #4 to House Bill 94. This Amendment will allow a teacher the option of retiring without discount prior to age 60. This Amendment also will allow teachers who are retiring to make a one time contribution by the employer based on the employee's age at the time of retirement. I'd like to have a favorable Roll Call on this Amendment."

"The Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment #4. Any discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Representative White."

"Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I accept Amendment #4, because there is no accrued liability in his Bill. So I would move to accept his Amendment."

"Further discussion? Being none, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #4 be adopted?' All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it, and the Amendment's adopted. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #5, Braun - Bowman, amends House Bill 94."

"Representative Braun, Amendment #5."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Amendment #5 simply seeks to keep prospectively 212  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 these monies in this pension fund from going... increased monies in this pension fund from going to South Africa. I encourage your support."

"The Lady moves for the adoption of Amendment #5. Is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Preston."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker. I don't seem to be able to get your attention. I'd like Roll Calls on all these Amendments, all of them."

"Very well. Further discussion? The Gentleman from Madison, Representative Wolf."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. We rise to resist this Amendment also. The subject content is familiar to all of us. We don't believe that this is the proper place to put this type of an Amendment, and we would suggest that you vote 'no'."

"Being no further discussion, Representative Braun to close. The Gentleman from Cook, Representative White."

"Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, this Amendment I can accept, so I move for... I support her Amendment #5."

"Are you closing, Sir?"

"Yes, I've closed."

"Thank you. The question is, 'Shall Amendment #5 be adopted?' Representative Braun to close.

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. The Sponsor of the legislation accepts this Amendment. I encourage you to accept this Amendment. It's a prospective Amendment only and will involve no transaction costs or other loss of funds to the pension system. Thank you."

"The Lady moves for the adoption of Amendment #5. 213  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Amendment, there are 35 'ayes', 36 'nos', 44 voting 'present'. Representative Braun asks for a Poll of the Absentees. Mr. Clerk, poll the absentees."

"Poll of the Absentees. DeJaegher. Greiman. Leverenz and Stern."

"The Lady from Lake, Representative Stern."

"Would you change my vote to 'aye', Sir?"

"The Lady votes 'aye'. What's the count, Mr. Clerk? Representative Weaver? Representative Weaver from 'no' to 'present'. Representative Hastert from 'no' to 'present'. Representative Mays, 'no' to 'present'. Representative Stephens from 'no' to 'present'. Representative Barger from 'present' to 'no'. Mr. Clerk, what's the count? Representative Barger went from 'present' to 'no'. Anyone else seeking recognition? On this Amendment, there are 35 'ayes' 33 'nos', 47 voting 'present', and the Amendment's adopted. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #6, White - Rea."

"Representative White, Amendment #6."

"Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I move to withdraw Amendment #6."

"The Gentleman withdraws Amendment #6. Further Amendments."

"Floor Amendment #7, Keane, amends House Bill 94 as amended."

"Representative Keane, Amendment #7."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Amendment #7 to House Bill 94 extends the minimum death penalty provision which formerly contained in my House Bill 78. It is estimated to have a 214  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 fiscal impact of about 200,000 a year, and is not expected to increase the system's accrued liabilities, and this is paid for under their own pension system. I move the adoption of Amendment #7."

"The Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment #7. Is there any discussion? Being none, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #7 be adopted?' All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it, and the Amendment's adopted. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #8, White - Rea, amends House Bill 94."

"Representative White, Amendment #8."

"Mr. Speaker, Amendment #8 changes the number of days from 200 down to 170. This is an Agreed Amendment on the other side of the aisle, and I move for its adoption."

"The Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment #8. Is there any discussion? Being none, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #8 be adopted? All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it, and the Amendment's adopted. Further Amendments."

"No further Amendments."

"Representative White, a fiscal note on House Bill 94 has been requested. None has been filed."

"Mr. Speaker, we submitted a request for a fiscal note, and it... and that was submitted about three weeks ago, and I... based on our rules, if they have not responded within seven days, then a fiscal note is no longer required."

"Representative Greiman?"

"Yes. Mr. Speaker, a great deal of care has been spent this year in fashioning each of these pension Bills so that it would have very, very small impact, and as we go through this pension package, you will find that there are no 215  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 special Bills and there are no Bills that are expensive. They are... It is basically a package which has... which is without mandates. We've requested letters from the various communities. Now, in order to determine the fiscal impact, there is, in this Bill, a pension impact note which has already been filed. We asked the Chicago Teacher's Retirement System on the 8th of May for a... a fiscal note and have not yet received it, and I don't believe that it will... we have received estimates on all of these items and can give the House a good sense of what it is. I believe under the... We could move to dispense with that. Is that correct? I am... And we have... We have one that does touch on the two issues that Mr. Keane placed on the Bill, those two Amendments which indicate that there is... it adds slightly to the long term accrual liability, but that it results in no immediate cost to the city or state, and no changes in tax rate, and no decrease in city or state tax revenues. It says that quite clearly. It's been filed with Mr. O'Brien. That would be the equivalent of a fiscal note."

"The Bill will remain on Second Reading until we have a rule from the Parliamentarian. We will proceed to the next Bill and get back to this momentarily. House Bill 164, Representative Capparelli. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 164..."

"Representative Capparelli, are you ready for the Bill?"

"Would you please take it out of the record for a minute? There's an Amendment I just put in, and it's not distributed right now."

"House Bill 164 Out of the Record. House Bill 374, Representative McGann. Are you ready for your Bill, Sir? Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk." 216  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985

"House Bill 374, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Pension Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #1, offered by Representative Braun - Bowman and Young."

"Representative Braun, Amendment #1."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'd like to defer to Representative Young on this one. Representative Young?"

"Representative Young on Amendment #1."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This is the well known South Africa Amendment. It is prospective. The purpose of the Amendment is try... is to attempt to stop future Illinois dollars from going to South Africa, and I urge the Sponsor to accept this Amendment."

"The Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment #1. Is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Representative McGann."

"Mr. Speaker and Members of the Assembly, I rise to resist this Amendment. I would respectfully ask Representative Braun and Representative Young to withdraw it, table it, and not harm those recipients through this Bill that will receive in the City of Chicago. I'm sympathy for their problem. I don't like what's happening. I don't think this is the channel they should use to obtain their commitment and for their cause. I believe that the pension funds could be arranged and agreed upon without legislation in this area. I ask all of the Members of this Assembly to consider, we should be taking care of our own in these pension Bills. Black and white people in the City of Chicago, they should be given consideration, and I ask for a Roll Call vote and I would ask that you'd kindly 217  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 consider this in your conscience when you're voting. Let's not play games with the people in the City of Chicago. Thank you."

"Further discussion? The Gentleman from Madison, Representative Wolf."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. The Pension Committee would resist this Amendment for the same reasons as we have given before, and would ask for your 'no' vote."

"Further discussion? Representative Braun, to close."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. In response, again, to the remarks made by the Sponsor of this legislation. This is not game playing. There are people in South Africa dying every single day. There are probably people who have died today in South Africa. Insofar as we contribut to those deaths, insofar as we send any dime, any nickel, any penny of our state appropriated funds to South Africa, we are guilty of those crimes. We are guilty as surely as if we were standing there pulling the trigger ourselves. This is not game playing, Ladies and Gentlemen, and this issue, let me say to you today, will not go away. I hope it will not go away because the alternative that we are facing is complete violent overthrow of the government there and many, many more deaths. We can strike a blow for freedom in this Illinois General Assembly. We can strike a blow for movement and progress and change in South Africa if we put our money where our mouth is and say we will no longer invest our dollars in that situation in that country. We don't have a lot of money at stake compared to the number of dollars overall from this country that are going to South Africa right now. But what we do have coming out of 218  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 Illinois, we, in this Illinois General Assembly, have an obligation to say, 'Not one more dime, not one more nickel to support apartheid will be supported or sent by this Illinois General Assembly.' We are deathly serious about these Amendments. We hope that our colleagues will take these Amendments into seriousness in which they are put. It is not a matter of game playing. It is a matter of very serious concern, not only to the black Members of this General Assembly, but to people of conscience throughout this country. And we ask you only to show some compassion here - show some conscience. Join us only in prospective limitation. This is not a divestment legislat... Amendment. This Amendment says, no future dollars. And insofar as future dollars, will save a life. We ask you to join us in our attempt to do that."

"The Lady moves for the adoption of Amendment #1. All those in favor signify... The question is, 'Shall Amendment #1 be adopted?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Have all vote? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. Take the record. On this Amendment there are 37 'ayes', 66 'nos', 6 voting 'present', and the Amendment is defeated. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Returning to House Bill 94. Request for a fiscal note has been withdrawn. House Bill 94, Third Reading. House Bill 398, Representative McGann. 398, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 398, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Pension Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment... Amendment #1 was adopted in 219  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 Committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2, offered by Representative Braun - Bowman and Young."

"Representative Braun, Amendment #2. Gentleman from Cook, Representative Bowman."

"Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I'm sorry to see the seesaw activity of this House. It seems that sometimes people will vote 'no' on an Amendment like this and sometimes they will vote 'yes' on an Amendment like this. I think it is time that we access our commitment to this issue and establish that commitment and say to everybody that we will not stand any longer for the misuse of our pension monies, the imprudent use of our pension monies, in projects or invested in corporations which are engaged in projects in the Republic of South Africa. We all know what the issue is there. It is not simply a case of discrimination. It is a case of apartheid, which is a totalitarian police state at its worst. And I would just remind everybody that we are dealing with prospective noninvestments. It is a... to put Illinois pension policy on the right track for the future, and I urge its adoption."

"Gentleman has moved for the adoption of Amendment #2. Is there any discussion? Gentleman from Cook, Representative McGann."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the Assembly. I once again rise to resist this Amendment. Now we're hurting if this Amendment would go on. The Bill would not be passed. We'll be hurting the little people in the City of Chicago. The laborers and those retired that worked 220  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 hard for the City of Chicago. I'm not going to take up much more of your time. I'm going to ask you once again to vote your conscience and think about us here, and we still have the great sympathy and concern for the human rights of other people in other countries. We have them in the human rights of South Africa, the violation of human rights in Northern Ireland, South America, but we also have to take care of our people here at home. And we must never forget that. They have taken care of us and they have worked and worked hard for their pensions, and the little footings they're going to get from this amount from this pension, as Representative Greiman brought out, 'Everything was kept on a conservative side this year.' I ask you to vote down this Amendment. Thank you."

"Gentleman from Madison, Representative Wolf."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. Again, the Pension Committee asks for your resistance to this Amendment. Again, for all of the same reasons that we have given before. There is an attempt here to solve a situation overseas in the State of Illinois, that all of us know can't be done. This is a problem that has to be addressed at the federal level. It has to be solved at the federal level. If we're going to do anything in the State of Illinois, I think we should introduce a Resolution in this Assembly. And I'm sure that we'll get 118 votes on that board. At this point, I would ask for your 'no' vote."

"Representative Braun, to close. Representative Shaw."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, you know, we have introduced these Amendments and you talked about human rights. And I've heard some of our colleagues talk about human rights, but you know, I'm almost ashamed that 221  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 I'm a Member of the Democratic Party. I'm almost ashamed because we got Members of our own Party that go out through the community and all over Illinois talking about how they are for human rights. But here, we are trying to get an Amendment on to stop the oppression of people in South Africa, and our Members of our own Party stands in this House and oppose this Amendment. This does not seem like we should be a Member of this Party. What we... and what I've always thought the Democratic Party represents was human rights for all people, whether it be in Ireland or South Africa, but we got the people that stand here and talk about what we can do and we going to think about this for the people in this country. Human suffering, and we are financing that human suffering in South Africa with the people's money of this state. And this is not right. This is not right. What will the same people and where will the leaders of the Democratic Party that stands for all these human rights, where will they be when it comes time for them to be running for election across this state? What are they going to tell the people, the liberal people of this state, about what that position is on South Africa and the killing of people and people being denied their citizenship in South Africa, but yet, the day we stand on... Members of the Democratic Party stand on the House floor and talk about how liberal they are. If the... I looked at the other side of the aisle and if the other side of the aisle wanted to make some inroads into that Democratic vote out there in Illinois, they should join with us. They should join with us and support these Amendments. They should do that today. You know, we have been defeated on Amendment after Amendment, and we still have those so called Democrats. But, to remind me of 1948 when that Truman was running for President - you remind me 222  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 of those Dixiecrats that walked out of the convention in 1948. I don't understand that, but you... still you go back to respective communities in Illinois here and tell the people of Illinois that I'm for you. How can you be for them and voting to hang them."

"Further discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Representative McAuliffe."

"Well, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I would direct my remarks to the Members of the Republican Party here. I know that some of them are voting 'present' on these Amendments in the hopes that they can kill the Bill. This Bill is going to help the municipal employees in Chicago, and I suppose a lot of Republicans could care less because they think they're all Democrats. That is no longer the case, Gentlemen. I come from an area where there is probably one of the highest concentration of municipal employees in Chicago living in my district, and they support me. In the last election, they supported the Republican candidate for State Senator. So, I would urge you not to play games on this and try to put this Amendment on in hopes of killing the Bill. I don't want to kill the Bill. I want to see this Bill pass. I owe it to the people who live in my district and many of them, for the first time in their lives in the last two or three elections, have voted Republican. Please don't punish them by putting this Amendment on which you will, in effect, kill the Bill. Let me keep coming back here and perhaps, there will be a few more of us in the future. There are many people in Chicago who are changing their political view point and many of them have changed and become Republicans, and many, many city workers, many, many people who work for streets and sanitations, many people who would have thought they would be struck dead if they would vote 223  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 for Republican in the past, now vote Republican regularly. Please don't put this Amendment on the Bill to help kill the Bill. I'd like to come back for a few more terms to get my pension. Vote 'no' on this Amendment."

"Further discussion? Being none, Representative Bowman, to close."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I really have to take offense at the suggestion that we're playing games with this legislation. That we are attempting to hurt people with this legislation. That we want to kill this Bill or to see this Bill defeated. None of that is the case. There is no one that will be injured by this Amendment. And I, more than anyone else, want to see this Amendment adopted and this Bill passed. There is nothing in this Amendment that will hurt anybody. Indeed, this Amendment will strike a glow for freedom and if you think the events, that are taking place thousands of miles away in the continent of Africa, are somehow removed, remote and distant from us here in the State of Illinois, you are very much mistaken. You ought to vote for this Amendment, put it on and pass the Bill out."

"The Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment #2. The question is, 'Shall Amendment #2 be adopted?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Amendment there are 29 'ayes', 46 'nos', and 33 voting 'present'. The Amendment is defeated. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 510, Representative Dunn. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 510, a Bill for an Act to add Sections to the Illinois Pension Code. Second Reading of the Bill. 224  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 Amendments #1, 2, 5 and 6 were adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment number... Amendment #7 lost. Amendment #8... Floor Amendment #8, offered by Representative Dunn and Rea."

"Representative Dunn, Amendment #8."

"Amendment #8 eliminates the military service provisions that were added by Amendment 1 and they're going into House Bill 73. So, I would ask for adoption of this Amendment."

"The Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment #9. Is there any discussion? Being none, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #8 be adopted?' All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 561, Representative McGann. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 561, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Pension Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2, offered by Representative Braun and Bowman."

"Representative Braun, Amendment #2."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. One of the assumptions that has underlaid the opposition to these Amendments is that somehow or another, our pension funds will be hurt if we limit future investments in South Africa. In the first instance, I 225  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 would point out to you that the number of firms, which would be affected by such a prohibition, are limited and would only constitute about less than a third of the fortune five hundred investments which the pension funds might choose from. In addition to the limitation to the extent that it is a small limitation on the investment discretion, we believe that it will provide benefits, financial benefits, to the pension systems and to the citizens of the State of Illinois. Insofar as incentives will be provided to invest in companies which do business in Illinois, in companies which are doing things to revitalize our urban areas, to help with our farmers, to help with the economy in our state, additionally, we believe that we will be protecting the interest of pensioners in that at the present time, they stand to lose the total value of those investments which are in South Africa. We don't think that it is prudent to risk a pensioner's investment by putting that money or sending that money to a country in the middle of a civil war. We believe that a pension fund, while it has to have discretion in choosing investments, goes beyond reasonable discretion when it insists on the unbridled right to invest in a country in the middle of a civil war. I would encourage your support of Amendment #2."

"The Lady moves for the adoption of Amendment #2. Is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Representative McGann."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Would the Sponsor yield for a question?"

"She indicates she will."

"Representative Braun, being a leader on our side of the aisle here and your dedicated concern for the investment program of the pension monies, have you sat down with the 226  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 principles and requested them to stop investing in South Africa and invest in other areas where we would have greater returns?"

"The principles of the pension system?"

"That's correct."

"I have written them, but I have not received the response nor have I sat down with them."

"Have you ever requested a meeting with them?"

"Yes, Sir."

"You have, and they've never acknowledged it?"

"No, Sir."

"I would request that you would withdraw and table this Amendment. I'd be very, very happy to sit down with the pension people with you and try and work out something to change their avenue of investment at anytime. That's how strongly I believe in what you're doing, but not in this area. To the Amendment, Mr. Speaker and Members of this Assembly. Once again, I will approach you to please vote your conscience in this area. Vote down this Amendment. I thank you for what you have done in the past two Amendments. Please help me once again. Thank you."

"Gentleman from Madison, Representative Wolf."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. Again, we resist the Amendment that's being attempted to attach to this Bill, and we will ask for your 'no' vote for all of the same reasons that we have given before."

"Representative Braun, to close."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Representative McGann has, I think, just made a very sincere offer and reached out his hand in support or in aid of this effort. As such, I accept your offer, Representative McGann, and I hope that we can undertake to have such a meeting before this Session is ended. And I 227  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 will, therefore, withdraw this Amendment on this Bill."

"The Lady withdraws Amendment. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1306, Representative Krska. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 1306, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Pension Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #1, offered by Representative Krska, amends House Bill 1306."

"Representative Krska, on Amendment #1."

"Amendment #1 is a corrected Amendment, deleting lines 18, 19 and inserting in lieu of 'thereof'."

"The Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment #1. Is there any discussion? Being none, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #1 be adopted?' All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. ...Will return to the... the Bill that was taken out of the record earlier. House Bill 164, Representative Capparelli. Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 164, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Pension Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2, offered by Representative Braun - Bowman and Young."

"Representative Braun, on Amendment #2." 228  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 Representative Braun. Representative Young, do you want to handle the Amendment? Representative Young. The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Young The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Anthony Young."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Everyone is tired of hearing these arguments on the South Africa pension funds, I'm sure. Everybody says, 'Why don't you take them off, you can't pass any of them.' But, I have yet to hear one argument grounded in logic as to the harm. All of the Sponsors of these pension Bills will say, please don't put them on our Bill because it'll kill the Bill. We sympathize with your position. Yes, we empathize with the people in South Africa. Yes, we would like to help you, but please don't put them on our Bill because they will kill the Bill. And what I don't understand and what no one in this House has explained to me yet is why do these Amendments kill the Bill when we backed off of trying to divest pension money from South Africa and have said, please just don't put anymore. Now, the money in South Africa is only earning 4 and 5%. I'm sure the people who we entrust these pension funds to can find that same rate of return some place other than South Africa. So right now, I'm not asking anyone to vote for this Amendment. I'm just asking someone to explain to me why this Amendment automatically kills any pension Bills."

"Representative Young moves for the adoption of Amendment #2. And on that, the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Terzich."

"Hello. Representative Young, can you tell me what happens if the system does not comply with that Amendment? What are the penalties?"

"Representative Young."

"Alright now, we haven't come close enough to having this 229  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 as law yet. I don't think there are any penalties. This is a State Mandate."

"Well, what is it going to mandate and if they don't do it, what's going to happen to these judiciaries?"

"I suggest we ask them to do it first and see if they won't just comply."

"Well, then maybe I'll explain why they don't want this Amendment. As you probably know that there are certain judiciary responsibilities involving investing pensioners money - that they are responsible for the investments, the return and what have you. And this type of an Amendment simply restricts what these judiciaries can do to invest their money to get the maximum return for the people involved in the pension system. And they may have put, you know, invest money in IBM or some company that may or may not do business in South Africa; but, if they do, I assume that you're going to take the money away from them or do something like that. But the first responsibility of the judiciary is to get the proper investment and his return back to his... the people who are participating in the pension system regardless if it's South Africa, Iran, Ethiopia, the 'World Bank', or anywhere else. That's their first responsibility and they have to live up to that judiciary responsibility, and I don't think that we should restrict that. And I would urge a 'no' vote on this Amendment."

"Further discussion? The Gentleman from Madison, Representative Wolf."

"Well, thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. Again, the Pensions Committee requests that you vote 'no' and resist this Amendment. Thank you."

"Gentleman from Cook, Representative McAuliffe."

"Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, 230  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 I'll keep it very brief. On behalf of the 295 Chicago firemen that live in my district, I would ask my Republican colleagues on this side of aisle to please vote 'no'. The firemen don't want to have this Amendment put on their Bill. They don't want to jeopardize their pension Bill and please... Republican Members, please vote 'no'."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Rice."

"Mr. Speaker and to the Chairman of the Pension Committee, I've sat here and listened, and I'd like for him when he says that the Pension Committee is in accord, he would say Members of the Pension Committee, because I am certainly a part of that Committee and I'm not in accord with what he said. Thank you."

"Representative Wolf, for what reason do you rise?"

"A point of personal privilege, Mr. Chairman... Mr. Speaker. The Gentleman is certainly correct. I made an error when I said the Pension Committee. I should have said a majority of the Pension Committee requested that this Amendment be resisted."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Brookins."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'd just like to inform the Member on the other side of the aisle that I, too, have firemen in my district, and I would hate for them to know that we're forcing them to put money in a country where they cannot go, where they cannot eat and where they're hanging their brothers and sisters and then soon be killing them in the streets. Therefore, I ask you to support this Amendment. Don't force them to work against their own brothers and sisters. Don't take their money to buy bullets and other things to kill and hurt them in the streets." 231  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985

"Gentleman from Cook, Representative Capparelli."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think there has been enough discussion. I would ask all my friends to please vote 'no' on this Amendment. Thank you."

"The Lady from Cook, to close, Representative Braun."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Representatives who have spoken on this have raised an important issue. That's right. Our pension funds have a responsibility to see to it that there is a safe investment on which we get a reasonable return. We've already discussed whether these investments are safe and frankly, by definition, they are not safe. They are unsafe. You cannot invest in a country in the middle of a civil war and call that safe under any rational set of circumstances. Second, with regard to the rate of return, our pension systems have averaged less than 5% returns. Now, if you think that's a reasonable return on the pension systems, then give me the money. I'll pay you 5% on it, because I can show... I can believe you that there is a bridge for you also out in California. The fact of the matter is 5% is an unreasonable return on investments. The Auditor General has just issued a report regarding these investments. Look closely at what is really going on here. You've got some money managers out there who are making decisions, who are investing these dollars. They don't report to you. They don't report to me. They don't report to the people whose money it is involved here. They're getting less money back on these investments than any reasonable rational investment would ever return and yet, they come to this General Assembly and say to you, 'We want unbridled discretion to continue giving you 5% back on your money.' That's just absolute lunacy, Ladies and Gentlemen. 232  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 That is not prudent. That is in violation, I believe, already of their obligations under the law to invest these pension dollars. I submit that we take a very close look as the Auditor General is doing and I suggest you all read that report - take a very close look at what the money managers are doing with these pension funds. We have a lot of issues - unfunded liabilities and the like to address regarding pension; but, specifically on the issue of investments, I submit to you that we are looking at an almost scandalous situation regarding how these dollars are being used and the fact that some of it is going to South Africa just makes that scandal even that much more heinous.. I urge your support for this Amendment and for future Amendments on prospective restriction of investments in South Africa."

"The Lady moves for the adoption of Amendment #2. The question is, 'Shall Amendment #2 be adopted?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. The Lady from Champaign, to explain here vote, Representative Satterthwaite."

"Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, not really to explain my vote, but to say that I believe the Lady who spoke last is in error in regard to the current investment proceeds. What happened, a few years ago was that we lifted a number of restrictions that had been placed on the method of investment; and, since those restrictions have been listed, we have, in fact, seen a much higher yield on investments in our pension systems. The 5% figure that she quotes is an outdated figure that came about at a time when we were restricting the way investments could be made in the pension systems."

"...all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Amendment there are 32 233  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 'ayes', 63 'nos', 13 voting 'present'. The Amendment fails. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #3, offered by Representative Capparelli - Terzich and McAuliffe."

"Representative Capparelli."

"I table that Amendment, please."

"The Gentleman withdraws Amendment #3. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #4, offered by Representatives Capparelli - Terzich"

"Representative Capparelli, Amendment #4."

"Withdraw that Amendment."

"Gentleman withdraws Amendment #4. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. We will leave this Order of Business and go to Special Call - Civil Law Medical Malpractice. The first Bill is House Bill 1604. Mr. Clerk, the Amendments are not ready. Take this Bill out of the record. On page 33 of the Calendar... page 33 on the Calendar, Subject Matter - Public Utilities. We will take those Bills that need Amendments today so that they can be called on Third Reading tomorrow. House Bills Second Reading, Public Utilities, appears House Bill 1814. Clerk would like the House electrician to report to the floor. The Clerk would like the House electrician to report to the floor. Thank you. House Bill 1814. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 1814, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of an Act concerning public utilities. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendments #1 and 2 were adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions filed?" 234  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #3, offered by Representative Bowman."

"Representative Bowman, Amendment #3."

"Leave to withdraw Amendment #3."

"The Gentleman withdraws Amendment #3. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #4, offered by Representative Hastert."

"Representative Hastert, Amendment #4."

"Leave to withdraw Amendment #4."

"The Gentleman withdraws Amendment #4. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #5, offered by Representative Huff."

"Amendment #5, Representative Huff."

"Leave to withdraw Amendment #5."

"Gentleman withdraws Amendment #5. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #6, offered by Representative Huff."

"Amendment #6, Representative..."

"Leave to withdraw Amendment #6."

"Gentleman withdraws Amendment #6. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #7, offered by Representative Huff."

"Representative Huff."

"Leave to withdraw."

"Gentleman withdraws Amendment #7. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #8, offered by Representative 235  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 Capparelli."

"Representative Capparelli, on Amendment #8. Gentleman withdraws Amendment #8. Is that correct? No. Representative Capparelli, on Amendment #8."

"Withdraw the Amendment."

"Gentleman withdraws Amendment #8. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #9, offered by Representative Hoffman."

"Representative Hoffman withdraws Amendment #9. Further Amendments."

"Floor Amendment #10, offered by Representative Hastert - Levin and Huff."

"Representative Hastert, Amendment #10."

"Thank you, Mr. Chairman (sic - Speaker), Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Amendment #10 makes some technical Amendments and some substantive Amendments to the Bill. Basically, what they do... and incidentally, Amendment #10 is a Joint Sponsor Amendment by Representative Levin and Representative Huff and myself. What the Amendment does is make several technical administrative changes that were requested by the Illinois Commerce Commission. It... has a requirement that phone companies help consumers obtain at least... least expensive service option. It is an assurance that waivers is granted by the Illinois Commerce Commission to small companies not automatically be granted to large companies. It also contains an option for carriers to request that the Illinois Commerce Commission to classify a service as competitive. It also has the requirement for foreign phone companies to provide devices which enable deaf and hearing impaired individuals to communicate by telephone. It also has a requirement for phone bills to show the phone number to which the charges 236  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 are billed and it also has a requirement for the Illinois Commerce Commission to study the effects of competition in the telephone industry in the State of Illinois."

"The Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment #10. Is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Huff."

"Yes, until recently, Ladies and Gentlemen, Mr. Speaker, the telecommunication industry has been heavily regulated on both state and federal levels, and rapid technological progress, plus the court enforced divestiture - has plunged the telecommunication industry into the competitive age. And the question before this Legislature is that competition be fair and equitable to all competitors. I think that ideal has been consummated in House Amendment 10 to 1814 and I move for the adoption of the same."

"Being no further discussion, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #10 be adopted?' All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Are there any Members that have Bills on Public Utilities Third Reading, that need to be brought back to Second Reading for purposes of Amendment? Page 30 of the Calendar, House Bills Third Reading - Elections, appears House Bill 100. Representative Hartke. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 100, a Bill for an Act to amend the Election Code. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Gentleman from Effingham, Representative Hartke. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, we have a break down in our printer and we're trying to get it repaired. So, this Bill will be taken out of the record and we will try to do some Bills on Second Reading and see if we can move 237  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 Amendments that do not need roll calls. Page 32 of the Calendar, House Bills Second Reading - Human Services. Representative McGann, House Bill 722. House Bill 722. Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 722, a Bill for an Act to amend the Hospital Licensing Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #1, offered by Representative McGann."

"Representative McGann, Amendment #1."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the Assembly. Amendment #1 to House Bill 722... and actually the... House Bill 722 is a follow-up of the legislation that was passed out of this Assembly last year to take care of our infants. Our perinatal infants. So, we are defining the word 'perinatal' and also taking care of the premature births. That's exactly what this Amendment does, and I would ask for its passage... adoption."

"The Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment #1 to House Bill 722. Is there any discussion? Any discussion on the Amendment? Being none, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #1 be adopted?' All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2, offered by Representative McGann."

"Representative McGann, Amendment #2."

"Mr... Mr. Speaker, I'm awfully sorry. Amendment #1 should have been tabled. Amendment #2 does the exact same."

"The Gentleman moves to table Amendment #1. All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 238  STATE OF ILLINOIS 34th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 'ayes' have it. Amendment #1 is tabled."

"And I look for the adoption of Amendment #2. It's the same basic conception of the perinatal and also taking care of the premature births after birth."

"The Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment #2. And on that, the Lady from Lake. Representative Frederick."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"He indicates he will."

"Representative..."

"Give the... give the Lady your attention, please."

"Representative McGann, as I understand the Bill originally, it provided for prenatal care in the first month after the baby was born and now with 44 weeks, it is two months. Is that correct?"

"That is because that was taken care of, the premature, that maybe earlier... and they... in the original Bill that we had placed in... that we put in place before, lacked the consideration for the premature births. This corrects that and extends it, and this was an agreement. On the 44 weeks, was an agreement with the... those concerned, the hospitals and Nurses Association on the 44 weeks."

"Okay. Thank you."

"Further discussion? Being none, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #2 be adopted?' All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have, and the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #3, offered by Representative McGann."

"Representative McGann, Amendment #3."

"Table Amendment #3." 239  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985

"Gentleman withdraws Amendment #3. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Page 28 of the Calendar, House Bill 1800. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 1800, a Bill for an Act in relation to certain infrastructure research technology development grants. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Bowman, request this to be moved back to Second Reading?"

"Yes, please, Mr. Speaker, I'd like to move it back to Second."

"House Bill 1800, Second Reading."

"Amendment #5, offered by Representative Hawkinson, amends House Bill 1800."

"Amendment #5, the Gentleman from Knox, Representative Hawkinson."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Leave to withdraw Amendment #5."

"The Gentleman withdraws Amendment #5. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #6, offered by Representative Bowman."

"Amendment #6, Representative Bowman."

"Leave to withdraw Amendment #6."

"Gentleman withdraws Amendment #6. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #7, offered by Representative Hawkinson. Hawkinson."

"Amendment #7, Representative Hawkinson."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Leave to withdraw Amendment #7."

"Gentleman withdraws Amendment #7. Further Amendments?" 240  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #8, offered by Representative Bowman and Hawkinson."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We..."

"Representative Bowman, Amendment #8."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We finally got it right on this Amendment. Amendment #8 is an Amendment agreed to by Representative Hawkinson and myself. It adds to the Bill a concept of a state tax increment finance district and deletes any reference to incubator projects. That's the only difference from the Bill as amended by #1. I move adoption of Amendment #8."

"The Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment #8. Is there any discussion? Being none, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #8 be adopted?' All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Page 34 of the Calendar, House Bill 725. Correction. Correction. Page 31 of the Calendar, House Bill 725, Human Services. Representative White. Representative requests the Bill be moved back to Second Reading."

"Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I request to have House Bill 725 returned to Second Reading for the purpose of an Amendment."

"House Bill 725, Second Reading."

"Amendment #1, offered by Representative White, amends House..."

"Representative White on Amendment #1."

"Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, Amendment 1 strikes everything after the enacting clause, and it places an agreed Amendment onto the Bill which 241  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 addresses itself to... to AIDS and to sickle cell anemia."

"The Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment #1. Is there any discussion? The Lady from Cook, Representative Wojcik."

"Yes, I rise in support of this Amendment."

"Further discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #1 be adopted?' All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment's adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. On page 33 of the Calendar appears House Bill 888. Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 888, a Bill for an Act concerning environmental barriers in public facilities and multi-story housing units. Third Reading of the Bill."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Bowman."

"Leave to move this Bill back to Second Reading, if I may."

"The Gentleman asks leave to return the Bill to Second Reading for purpose of Amendment. Is leave granted? Hearing no objection, leave is granted. Second Reading."

"Amendment #2, offered by Representative Bowman."

"Representative Bowman, Amendment #2."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Amendment #2 takes care of some objections raised to the Bill by the architect from the Structural Engineers and with this Amendment, they have no objections to the Bill. I move its adoption."

"The Gentleman moves the adoption of Amendment #2. Is there any discussion? Being none, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #2 be adopted?' All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?" 242  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985

"Floor Amendment #3, offered by Representative Bowman."

"Representative Bowman, Amendment #3."

"Leave to withdraw 3."

"The Gentleman withdraws Amendment #3. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #4, offered by Representative Bowman."

"Representative Bowman, Amendment #4."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Amendment #4 just makes some technical changes. I move its adoption."

"The Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment #4. Is there any discussion? Being none, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #4 be adopted?' All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Page 34 of the Calendar, House Bill 894. Mr. Clerk, do you have the Bill? The Clerk will run the Roll Call now, on House Bill 164, Amendment #2, that was voted on earlier. We will finish this Bill. House Bill 894. The Gentleman asks leave to return House Bill 894 to Second Reading for purposes of an Amendment. There any objections? Hearing none, leave is granted. House Bill 894, Second Reading."

"House Bill 894, amends an Act in relationship to the installment of communication devices."

"Any Amendments?"

"Amendment #2, Bowman - Deuchler."

"Representative Bowman, Amendment #2."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Representative Deuchler and I worked with the staff 243  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 of the Department of Rehab Services and with the legislative staff to try and strike a balance between the Bill as introduced and the Bill as reported out of Committee. I believe it strikes that balance and so, I now moves for adoption of Amendment #2."

"The Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment #2. Is there any discussion? On that, the Gentleman from DeWitt, Representative Vinson."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, I wonder if the Sponsor would yield for a question?"

"Indicates he will."

"Representative, I was... my attention was distracted, and I didn't hear your explanation."

"Okay. Representative Deuchler and I worked this Amendment out with the staff of the Department of Rehab Services and the legislative staff. The Bill as introduced requires these telecommunication devices to be installed in, I believe, all transportation terminals in the state. Department of Transportation told us that there were, I don't know, some incredible figure - 400 or something like that. Well, we decided that that was more than we had in mind. So, we put an Amendment on in Committee to restrict the installation to just O'Hare Airport and Union Station in Chicago."

"I understand now... have no opposition."

"Okay. Thank you."

"The Gentleman moves the adoption of Amendment #2. Question is, 'Shall Amendment #2 be adopted?' All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Representative Bowman, for what 244  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 reason do you rise?"

"The last two Bills we amended are..."

"Representative Bowman."

"Yes, Sir?"

"We are not... we are finished House Bill 994."

"I understand. I just wanted to... It looks like you are about to move onto something else."

"We are. We're moving to House Bill 60."

"I just wanted to say that this..."

"Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 60, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Pension Code. Third Reading of the Bill."

"We have three Bills on the Order of Pensions that need to be brought back to Second Reading for purposes of an Amendment. The first Bill is House Bill 60. Representative Curran? Gentleman asks leave to return the Bill to Second Reading for purposes of an Amendment. Are there any objections? The Gentleman from DeWitt, Representative Vinson."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, what page is this one on?"

"This is under the Order of Pensions. We have three Bills beginning on page 35."

"Thank you."

"First Bill is House Bill 60. The Gentleman has asked leave to return it to Second Reading. Are there any objections? Hearing none, leave is granted. House Bill 60, Second Reading."

"Amendment #2, Curran, amends House Bill 60 as amended."

"Representative Curran, Amendment #2."

"Mr. Speaker, I'd like to withdraw Amendment #2."

"Gentleman withdraws Amendment #2. Further Amendments?" 245  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985

"Floor Amendment #3, Curran, amends House Bill..."

"Representative Curran, Amendment #3."

"I'd like to withdraw Amendment #3 as well."

"Gentleman withdrew Amendment #3. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #4, Curran, amends House Bill 60."

"Mr. Speaker, I move to adopt Amendment #4. Amendment #4 amends the Downstate Fires (sic - Firemen's) Article of the Pension Code... the Illinois Pension Code... to specify that the types of workers' compensation benefits that are not subject to offset disability pension payments and the method of determining such offsets."

"Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment #4. Is there any discussion? Being none, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #4 be adopted?' All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment's adopted. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #5, Curran, amends House Bill 60."

"Amendment #5, Representative Curran."

"Mr. Speaker, move to withdraw Amendment #5."

"Gentleman withdraws Amendment #5. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #6, Curran."

"Representative Curran, Amendment #6."

"Mr. Speaker, I move to adopt Amendment #6. It would allow the members of the downstate firefighter pension systems to receive a refund of their contributions if the member has been on involuntary non-disciplinary layoff for more than 180 days."

"Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment #6. Is there any discussion? Being none, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #6 be adopted?' All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. 246  STATE OF ILLINOIS 94th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 The Amendment's adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. On the same Order of Business appears House Bill 73, Representative Rea. Gentleman asks leave to return this to Second Reading of purposes of an Amendment. Is there any objections? Hearing none, House Bill 73 returned to Second Reading."

"Amendment #6, Rea, amends House Bill 73."

"Amendment #6, Representative Rea."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. Amendment 6 amends the military service provisions and the three state systems to make it more uniform, and I would move for the adoption."

"Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment #6. Is there any discussion? Gentleman from Cook, Representative Terzich, on Amendment #6"

"Representative Rea, could you tell me what more uniform means? You said, making the military service more uniform. What does that mean?"

"Okay. It will extend the deadline for some of the service credit to January 1st of '89."

"Very good. Thank you."

"Any further discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #6 be adopted?' All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. The final Bill in this Order that needs an Amendment is House Bill 1445, Representative Curran. Excuse me, Mr. Clerk. There are two more. The next one on this Order is House Bill 357, Representative Saltsman. 357."

"House Bill 357, a Bill for an Act to amend the 247  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 Illinois Pension Code. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Gentleman asks leave to return House Bill 357 to Second Reading for purposes of Amendment. Is there any objection? Hearing none, leave is granted. House Bill 357, Second Reading."

"Amendment #2, Saltsman, amends House Bill 357."

"Representative Saltsman, Amendment #2."

"Yes, this is an Amendment that was created by several other Bills that don't have very much of a cost factor, and I ask that it be adopted."

"Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment #2. Is there any discussion? Being none, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #2 be adopted?' All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. The last Bill on this Order, House Bill 1445."

"House Bill 1445, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Pension Code. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Curran asks leave to return House Bill 1445 to Second Reading for purposes of Amendment. Is there any objection? Hearing none, leave is granted. House Bill 1445, Second Reading."

"Amendment #2, Curran - Rea, amends House Bill 1445."

"Representative Curran, Amendment #2."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Amendment #2 makes numerous changes in the state university's retirement system. The provisions that were in House Bill 73 that we just took out by Amendment, we are now putting in House Bill 1445."

"Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment #2. Is there any discussion? There being none, the 248  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 question is, 'Shall this Amendment #2 be adopted?' All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. The Chair has discovered another Bill on this Order of Reading - needs an Amendment. House Bill 202. Same page, 36 of the Calendar."

"House Bill 202, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Pension Code. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Lady from Champaign, Representative Satterthwaite, asks leave to have House Bill 202 returned to Second Reading for purpose of Amendment. Any objections? Hearing none, leave is granted. House Bill 202, Second Reading. Any Amendments? Representative Satterthwaite."

"Mr. Speaker, I understand there is a Motion in regard to Amendment #3."

"Mr. Clerk, Amendment #3."

"Amendment #3, there is no Motion on file."

"Representative Young, are you seeking recognition."

"Yes, I am, Mr. Speaker. I don't have my Motion on file; but, having being a Member of the prevailing Party on Amendment #3, I move to have that Amendment reconsidered... tabled."

"The Gentleman moves to table Amendment #3. Is there any discussion? Being none, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #3 be tabled?' All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is tabled. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Are there any of the Bills on 249  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 this Order of Reading... on this Order of Call that need Amendments? Representative Greiman."

"Yes, I... Yes, Mr. Speaker, I... were there another Amendment?"

"Representative Satterthwaite, for what reason do you rise?"

"There was another Amendment to be considered on 202 after that last action."

"Representative Satterthwaite, there were no Amendments on file."

"Amendment #4 was distributed a week or more ago."

"Representative Satterthwaite, Amendment #4 by Representative Giorgi lost on a Roll Call of 40 'aye', 60 'no'. There are no other Amendments on file. Representative Satterthwaite."

"Mr. Speaker, I believe if you recognize Representative Young."

"Alright, Mr. Clerk, House Bill 202. The Lady, again, asks leave to return it to Second Reading. Are there any objections? Hearing no objection, leave is granted. House Bill 202, Second Reading. Amendment #3 has been tabled. Are there any Motions on Amendment #4 which has lost? Representative Young."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, being a Member of the prevailing side on Amendment #4 which failed, I move to reconsider the Amendment."

"Having voted on the prevailing side, Representative Young moves to reconsider the vote by which Amendment #4 failed. And on that Motion, the Gentleman from DeWitt, Representative Vinson."

"Inquiry of the Chair on a point of parliamentary procedure."

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"It's my recollection in the rules that there is a time limit on Motions to reconsider."

"Representative Vinson, under Rule 73(b), a Motion to reconsider a record vote and the adoption of Amendment may be made at anytime."

"Alright, second inquiry, Mr. Speaker."

"State your inquiry."

"Did I understand that somebody tabled Amendment #3?"

"Yes."

"Who made that Motion?"

"Representative Young did."

"Okay. That was the South African Amendment?"

"Representative Young."

"Yes, Mr. Vinson, an answer to your inquiry, we are interested in placing the South Africa Amendment on those pension Bills that include new pension money, and we do not want that money invested in South Africa. It's my understanding that..."

"Thank you, Mr. Young. Representative Vinson, to answer your question. Representative Young made the Motion. There was no discussion and Amendment #3..."

"I'm not arguing. I just wanted to make sure."

"...And Amendment #3 was tabled."

"Sometimes these things move so fast, I have a hard time following them, Mr. Speaker, and I just wanted to check."

"Is there any... We're on the Motion to reconsider on Amendment #4. Is there any discussion of the Motion? Being none, the question is, 'Shall the vote on Amendment #4 be reconsidered?' Is there any objections? Hearing none, leave to use the Attendance Roll Call. Leave? Leave is granted. Attendance Roll Call will be used, and the Motion carries. Amendment #4."

"Amendment #4, Giorgi, amends House Bill 202 as 251  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 amended."

"Representative Giorgi, Amendment #4."

"Mr. Speaker, Amendment #4 allows the Board of the IMRF to help and to allow that local governmental jurisdictions that contribute to IMRF to create health insurance programs for them. They pay their premium on their own. There is no cost to the state. All it... It allows the IMRF body to be the parent body for any health and accident insurance program. That's all this does."

"Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment..."

"I move for the adoption of the Amendment."

"...#4. And on that, the Gentleman from DeWitt, Representative Vinson."

"Yes, again, we got going so fast I didn't quite hear the explanation. I wonder if the Gentlemen would yield for a question."

"He will."

"Would you explain that again, Representative?"

"Yes. Representative Vinson, there are governmental jurisdictions that contribute to the IMRF, and they like jointly and collectively to buy..."

"I understand thoroughly now."

"Should I speak Italian?"

"Representative Giorgi moves for the adoption of Amendment #4. The question is, 'Shall Amendment #4 be adopted?' All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Representative Vinson has filed a fiscal note request. Mr. Clerk, is there one on file?"

"Fiscal note request, pursuant to Rule 34, filed by 252  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 Representative Vinson."

"Right. There is a request on file. Is the note... fiscal note been filed?"

"There is no fiscal note as amended on file."

"Representative Satterthwaite."

"Mr. Speaker, my understanding is that the Amendment that had any fiscal impact was Amendment #1, and there is a fiscal note on file on House Bill 202 as amended with Amendment #1."

"Representative Vinson."

"I think we just adopted Amendment #4."

"Mr. Vinson, I think you're correct on that. Representative Giorgi."

"Mr. Speaker, the program, if there ever is a program, is permissive..."

"Excuse me, Representative Giorgi. Representative Vinson."

"I'm going to make easier on the Gentleman from Winnebago. I want to withdraw the fiscal note request as amended."

"Gentleman withdraws the request. House Bill 202, Third Reading. Page 34 of the Calendar, House Bill 896, Representative Madigan - Daniels - Bowman. Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 896, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act in relationship to rehabilitation of disabled persons. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Bowman asks leave to return this to Second Reading for purposes of Amendment. Any objections? Hearing none, leave is granted and House Bill 896, Second Reading."

"Amendment #1, Bowman, amends House Bill 896."

"Representative Bowman, Amendment #1." 253  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. The underlined Bill requires that a particular study be done by the Department of Rehab Services. This Amendment, which is agreed to by the Department and the Governor's Planning Council and Developmental Disabilities, transfers the responsibility for that study to the Governor's Planning Council and Developmental Disabilities. I know of no opposition and I move for its adoption."

"Gentleman has moved for the adoption of Amendment #... Mr. Clerk, what the Amendment number? Amendment #1."

"Amendment #1."

"Is there any discussion? Being none, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #1 be adopted?' All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. On page 33 of the Calendar, we will do those Bills under the Order of Senior Citizens that need Amendments. And the first request is from Representative Oblinger. House Bill 2273 on page 34."

"House Bill 2273, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act in relationship to the creation of golden illini card program for aged or disabled persons. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Oblinger asks leave to bring the Bill to Second Reading. Are there any objections? Hearing none, leave is granted. House Bill 2273, Second Reading."

"Floor Amendment #2, Oblinger, amends House Bill 2273."

"Representative Oblinger, Amendment #2."

"Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, after we had passed Second Reading and the Bill was on Third Reading, I 254  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 was advised that there is a new program in existence administered by South Western Bell. It seems that they have a program called the Silver Passport Program, which they're trying to introduce nation wide. As a result of this, they've already started in the East St. Louis and the Chicago areas to issue these cards. We understand that there will be a directory for the services available for senior citizens and disabled persons with those merchants who will offer a discount. The beauty of the whole program is that if you have a card in Illinois and you go to Los Angeles, and the program is now in existence there, you can use your card there. When we found this out, we realized we didn't want to have a duplicate program. So, this Amendment joins the two programs together. We have talked to the Department on Aging. The Secretary of State's Office which was to have this program and the senior citizen groups. This Amendment does three things. It reduces the age for the older people to get the card from 65 to 60. It enjoins the Secretary of State to be sure that the cards are issued statewide through senior centers, nutrition sites and be sure that the cards are available in every county in the state. I understand they are already in Adams County. And finally, that the Secretary of State shall coordinate this program and work toward the purpose of heading a directory for the State of Illinois. I would appreciate your vote or confidence in Amendment #2."

"The Lady moves for the adoption of Amendment #2. And on that, the Lady from Cook, Representative Currie."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. Will the Sponsor yield to a question?"

"She indicates she will."

"I'm not quite clear, Representative Oblinger, how this program works. It looks like a good concept. Tell me how 255  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 a senior citizen would know about the program? How a person would sign up for this new card?"

"There are three methods at this point. They are the Secretary of State's Office is helping to distribute the Silver Passport Program card at all the senior centers and at the nutrition sites or any other place that seniors go. In addition, there is a 800 number that is available where people can call in to request the card or they can write by mail to the Secretary's Office there to be available throughout. I understand the other day one of the gentlemen from Adams County came in and got them. The people from Sangamon County have heard about it. They've taken them to the senior centers and are contacting all their seniors."

"Who funds the 800 phone number?"

"Southwestern Bell."

"And is there any plans for the Secretary of State to mail to senior citizens information about this new program?"

"The information, I have some of the fliers here, that will be made available throughout the State of Illinois."

"My question is, how will they be made available? Will the Secretary of State mail this information to senior citizens who might want to take advantage of this fine new program?"

"This is under the Secretary of State's responsibility. The cards shall be issued in every county and applications shall be made available at, but not limited, to nutrition sites, senior citizen centers and area agencies on aging."

"So, the Secretary of State could take this opportunity that you are presenting him to write nice letters to all the senior citizens in the state..."

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"...and advise them of this new opportunity. I don't understand, Representative Oblinger, why this program didn't go to the Department on Aging. A Department you were so influential in creating. I do understand that the Director of that Department is not a statewide elected official who might enjoy the opportunity to put his or her name out before an eager public. The Secretary of State on the other hand is, but it would seem to me more appropriate for this program to be in the Department on Aging. And I'm not quite clear why it's in the Secretary of State's Office instead."

"The Department on Aging, at the hearing in our Committee on Aging, was represented by their legislative liaison, who said the Department had no intention of handling this program - that they didn't have the capabilities. They were the ones that brought me the Amendment that placed it in the Secretary of State's Office. At that time, they wanted the Secretary of State to have the sole responsibility. When I found out that Southwestern Bell is willing to do it at no cost, they're printing the directory. They're printing the card. They're contacting the merchants. They're making the decals and presenting it to the merchants. They're entirely responsible for the program."

"Well, Representative Oblinger, it sounds like a terrific program. I'm just questioning why it is we're giving it to the Secretary of State. As I remember, he rejected an opportunity to work in the missing children program, but he eagerly accepts, in fact, I think it was at his request that this program is going to him rather than the Department on Aging."

"No. That's absolutely wrong. The Secretary of State came to me and said he wanted no part of this. I said 257  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 there had to be some responsible person in state government that would see to it that this program went statewide because otherwise it was going to be Chicago area, including the collar counties, the East St. Louis area is part of St. Louis and that was going to be it."

"So, the Secretary of State, Jim Edgar, opposes this program. He opposes your Amendment and the Bill."

"He will accept this Amendment which allows Southwestern Bell to do the whole program, bear the whole cost and his part will be the coordination of the program."

"Thank you very much, Representative Oblinger. I'm sorry that the Secretary is not looking forward to using this program to share his name with an eager public, the elderly public, in the State of Illinois."

"Well, Representative Currie."

"Thank you. That's the end of my question."

"Further discussion? The Lady from Lake, Representative Frederick."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I simply rise to support this Amendment. Representative Oblinger has worked for a long time to get this in place. And the silver savers passport cards are available in our county and the collar counties in the City of Chicago. And I think this Amendment should go on the Bill."

"Further discussion? Representative Oblinger, to close."

"The reason I'm asking you to give the senior citizens and disabled persons in the rest of the state the same privilege that a number of people have enjoyed for a long time in the collar counties. It was underwritten by the county officials and the county board in conjunction with the VIP in DuPage County. It worked successfully there, and we've been trying for a long time to get this program 258  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 to go statewide, and we finally have that opportunity. So, I would appreciate the adoption of this Amendment."

"The Lady moves for the adoption of Amendment #2. The question is, 'Shall Amendment #2 be adopted?' All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. There are three more Bills on this Order of Reading that need Amendments. After that, we will go to Third Readings. Page 33, House Bill 83, Representative Wait."

"House Bill 83, a Bill for an Act to provide for the deferral of payment of special assessments on property of senior citizens and disabled persons. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Gentleman asks leave to return the Bill to Second Reading for purposes of Amendment. Are there any objections? Hearing none, leave is granted. Second Reading."

"Amendment #2, O'Connell."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative O'Connell."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Amendment #2 includes in the Senior Citizens' Property Tax Deferral Act special service area taxes as well as special assessment taxes which were included in the original Bill. The Amendment is made with the full cooperation of Representative Wait. And I would ask for its favorable adoption."

"Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment #2. Is there any discussion? Being none, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #2 be adopted?' All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it." 259  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Page 33 of the Calendar, House Bill 383, Representative Bowman."

"House Bill 383, a Bill for an Act to amend the Senior Citizens and Disabled Persons Property Tax Relief and Pharmaceutical Assistance Act. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Bowman asks leave to return to Second Reading for purposes of Amendment. Are there any objections? Hearing none, leave is granted. House Bill 383, Second Reading."

"Amendment #1, Bowman, amends House Bill 383."

"Representative Bowman, Amendment #1."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, this Bill... this Amendment, rather, was drafted by the Department of Revenue to accomplish the purpose of the original Bill. There is no substantive change. The original intent is intact, but the Department of Revenue felt that this would be a better mechanism to accomplish that in and I'm pleased to accept it and offer it... move its adoption at this time."

"Gentleman moves the adoption of Amendment #1. Any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #1 be adopted?' All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"House Bill... On page 34, House Bill 1476, Representative Soliz. Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 1476, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Public Aid Code. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Gentleman asks leave to return House Bill 1476 260  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 to Second Reading for purpose of Amendment. There any objections? Hearing none, leave it granted. House Bill 1476, Second Reading."

"Amendment #2, Soliz, amends House Bill."

"Representative Soliz, Amendment #2."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen, this Amendment was developed in cooperation with the Illinois Department of Public Aid. To my knowledge, there is no opposition and I move its adoption."

"The Gentleman moves the adoption of Amendment #2. Is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #2 be adopted?' All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it and the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Page 30 of the Calendar, House Bills Third Reading, Elections, appears House Bill 100, Representative Hartke. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 100, a Bill for an Act to amend the Election Code. Third Reading of the Bill."

"The Gentleman from Effingham, Representative Hartke."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, House Bill 100 is a simple Bill that brings the Illinois Election Code into compliance with the Federal Election Code as it relates to temporarily physically incapacitated voter, the sight impaired voter, the hearing impaired voter. I would simply ask for your support."

"The Gentleman moves for the passage of House Bill 100. Is there any discussion? Gentleman from Lee, Representative Olson."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Representative Hartke, could you describe for the 261  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 Members of the General Assembly, very briefly, the genesis for this, as applicable to Federal law?"

"Representative Hartke."

"Right now, Federal law is requiring that we make polling places more accessible to the handicapped, and we're doing that with this Bill."

"Thank you very much. This Bill has bipartisan sponsorship and in view of the Federal mandate, I would urge the passage of House Bill 100."

"The question is, 'Shall House Bill 100 pass?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Representative Stern, to explain her vote."

"I only wanted to reiterate what Representative Olson said. This is a very important Bill."

"Have all voted? Cullerton, 'aye'. McPike, 'aye'. Dunn, 'aye'. McPike, 'aye'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? Clerk will take the record. On this Bill, there are 113 'ayes', 2 'nos', 1 voting 'present'. House Bill 100, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 481, Representative Nash. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 481, a Bill for an Act to amend the Election Code. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Gentleman from Cook, Representative Nash."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This Bill as amended would require that parties fill a vacancy so created within sixty days after the day of a general primary election. If the vacancy is not filled within sixty days of the primary, then the party may not place the candidates name on the ballot at the general election. I move for a favorable Roll Call."

"Gentleman moves for the passage of House Bill 481. On that, the Gentleman from Lee, Representative 262  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 Olson."

"Would the Sponsor yield?"

"Indicates he will."

"Representative Nash, I think it would be helpful to the Members of the Assembly if you could reiterate the sixty day provision for slating following the primary. I think that might be of interest to a number of 'em."

"You're right, Representative Olson. What this Bill does as amended, if no one files to run in the primary, political parties can file a candidate up to the deadline before the general election. This... With this Bill, if no candidate files in the primary, the political parties can appoint... select someone to run within sixty days after the primary. No longer."

"One... One additional note, I noticed there is a September primary Bill coming over from the Senate. Of course, this would make this Bill moot, wouldn't it, as far as the slating?"

"Yes, it would."

"We can support recommendation of this Bill."

"Further discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 491 pass?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? Clerk will take the record. On this Bill, there are 111 'aye's, 2 'nos', 2 voting 'present'. House Bill 481, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 483, Representative Nash. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 483, a Bill for an Act to amend the Election Code. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Nash."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This Bill as amended provides that write-in votes for any 263  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 office should not be counted in either the primary or in the other election unless the candidate whose name is written in has filed a declaration of intent. I ask for a favorable Roll Call."

"Gentleman moves for the passage of House Bill 483. Question is, 'Shall House Bill 483 pass?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Bill, there are 113 'ayes', 5 'nos' and none voting 'present'. House Bill 483, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 558, Representative Tuerk. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 558, a Bill for an Act to amend the Election Code. Third Reading of the Bill."

"The Gentleman from Peoria, Representative Tuerk."

"Mr. Speaker, Members of the House, I'll try and be as brief as possible on this Bill. When the Governor's Commission for Election Reform held a hearing in Peoria, it was brought to the attention of that Commission that there was a problem regarding challenging petitions, particularly if some streets and urban areas ran through more than one municipality. And that's what this Bill addresses, pure and simple, and it just... the Amendment on the Bill asks for either the rural route number or the address, as well as the municipality. And that's what the Bill does and I ask for your favorable support."

"Gentleman moves for passage of House Bill 558. Is there any discussion? Being none, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 558 pass?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? Clerk will take the record. On this Bill, 264  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 46th Legislative Day May 23, 1985 there are 116 'ayes', 1 'no', none voting 'present'. House Bill 558, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 574, Representative Preston. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 574..."

"Mr. Clerk, take this Bill out of the record. House Bill 615, Representative Friedrich. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."