Illinois House Floor Debate — June 29, 1985

"Ladies and Gentlemen, the House will come to order. The Chaplain for today will be the Reverend Richard Maye, Pastor, Pleasant Grove Baptist Church of Springfield. Reverend Maye is a guest of Representative Michael Curran and Representative John Cullerton. Will the guests in the gallery please rise for the invocation?"

"Let us pray. Most holy and wise Father, we thank You for the opportunity to be here this morning in our places. As You look upon us from Heaven, You are looking beyond the seats in which we sit. You are looking beyond the exterior, but You are focusing on our hearts. More correctly, the intents of our hearts, for we realize that sometimes our actions do betray us. They speak ill of us. They speak as if we are unconcerned, but at the same time our hearts are pulsating the love and joy of Your will. In a time, Lord, when so much is going on, right is being considered wrong. wrong is being considered right, when others are pleasing themselves rather than concerned about justice and truth, when some are more concerned about winning than righteousness and right principles, we pray that You would give these dedicated men and women that You have chosen through their various constituencies to not compromise right for wrong but be uncompromising instruments of Your will. We pray for our President and our country in this dilemma over the hostages. We pray for the families of those men and women who have loved ones in another country being held for whatever reason. We pray that all of the negotiations will be solved and worked out soon, that those Americans will come home. Allow these men and women here to let love be without dissemination, abhor that which is evil, cling to that which is good, serve You gladly, come before You with thanksgiving. And in serving 1  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day June 29, 1985 You, they will serve their fellow men and women. In Your Son Jesus name, we ask these blessings. Amen."

"We will be led in the Pledge by Representative Ropp."

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

"Roll Call for Attendance. Mr. Clerk, take the Roll. There are 118 Members voting 'present'. There is a quorum. Ladies and Gentlemen, at the Clerk's well we are beginning a list on the Order of Concurrences. Please give us all of the Bills that you wish to nonconcur in. That is one list. On the Order of Nonconcurrence, please give us a list of those Bills you wish to refuse to recede in. Once more - On the Order of Concurrences, if you wish to nonconcur, bring that number to the well. On the Order of Nonconcurrences, if you wish to refuse to recede, let the Clerk know and he will put it on the list. And we will get to that order quickly. Message from the Senate."

"A Message from the Senate by Mr. Wright, Secretary. "Mr. Speaker, I am directed to inform the House of Representatives the Senate has refused to concur with the House in the adoption of their Amendments to the following Bills: Senate Bills #14, 158, 239, 309, 328, 447, 448, 505, 513 and 1064, action taken by the Senate June 28, 1985. Kenneth Wright, Secretary." Message from the Senate by Mr. Wright, Secretary. "Mr. Speaker, I am directed to inform the House of Representatives that the Senate has concurred with the House in the passage of Bills with the following title, to wit: House Bill #1010, together with the attached Senate Amendment #1, passed by the Senate as amended June 25, 1985. Kenneth Wright, 2  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day June 29, 1985 Secretary."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Leverenz, for what reason do you rise?"

"Now?"

"No. Representative Jack Davis for a special introduction."

"Well, thank you, Madam Speaker. While we're at ease and the Members are coming along, I'd just like to introduce a young honorary page here today. He's also active in Little League, and earlier this year pitched a no hit game. And recently, in fact, last Wednesday night, he pitched another one. That's two in one season. He's also hitting almost 600. I'd like you to meet young Jack Davis, II."

"Representative Ewing, at Representative Davis' chair."

"Do you suppose that he could get signed up with the Cubs, Jack?"

"I hear they're starting on a winning season."

"Sign him up with the Cubs."

"Ladies and Gentlemen... The Gentleman from Will, Representative Van Duyne, for what reason do you rise?"

"Well, just to make an announcement, Madam Speaker. To all the Members of the House, as you remember we did have a meeting here on the House floor to try to listen to some of our county problems from our members of the country boards here a couple months ago or a month ago, and they asked us at that time if we might not have some meetings around the state in four or five or six different locations during the summer. I've addressed that problem to the Speaker, and he has acquiesced, I know not to what degree, but nevertheless, he has more or less acquiesced to that we would have the County and Townships Committee, maybe along 3  65th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 29, 1985 with Cities and Villages, might have some meetings around the state to... in order to try to garner some information as to the really prevailing problems that confront county government these days and the cities and villages along with it. Anyway, I'm just making this announcement so if there are some in our group that would like to have a meeting in some of the larger cities in the state, why they should be addressing it to the committee chairmen."

"Ladies and Gentlemen, once again, we are trying to make a list of all Bills that Members wish to nonconcur in that are on the Order of Concurrence. If you wish to nonconcur in one of your Bills on the Order of Concurrence bring it to the well so that the Clerk can put it on the list. If you wish to refuse to recede on any Bills on the Order of Nonconcurrence, please bring that number to the well also. So we have two lists started. Ladies and Gentlemen, Representative Ropp will make some special presentations. Let's give your attention to the Chair. Representative Ropp."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Once again it is our pleasure to be a part of the presentation of the trophies that so many of you participated in and only the experts won in the Southwestern Illinois Industrial Association tennis outing and IRMA racquetball tournament that we had a few weeks ago. Now we have an unprecedent situation going here. Last year, as you'll recall, the very first time that we had a freshman Representative woman come in and win. She not only did that last year, the first year, but she did it again. Maggie Parcells won the B division for the second year in a row. Maggie, come on up here. And her teammate, Bill "Rodman'. Bill, come on up here and get a trophy. The winners in the B division. Now if you don't think that's super good, we also have the second place winner 4  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day June 29, 1985 that got second as a freshman last year, also got second this year David Harris. Come on up here, Dave. Now it's with deep regret that I must say David's plate has been removed for some reason. So if he wants to be the winner, he can buy his own plate and put on here as the winner."

"That's alright, Gordy, the trophy's bigger this year."

"Also the... his team member was Ted 'Flickinger", and I think yesterday he was up in Chicago. And I don't think Ted's here today. Okay, now ... And we had a number of other people who participated. All of you know who participated, and we want to congratulate you and hope that you'll practice over the season so you can do better next year. Now we have another trophy that is presented by IRMA to the racquetball champion. And Bob Terzich, would you come up here? Because Bob Terzich won the big jock award. The champion in the open division, Third Annual IRMA Legislative Racquetball Tournament. Congratulations, Robert."

"This is for the veteran Legislators. I read it in the newspaper, I was a veteran Legislator a few years ago. But, you know. what the hell. You practice at the White House for fifteen years and this could happen to you too. Thank you, Gordo."

"That's good. I knew you won going away in the stretch. Thank you very much, and thank you to not only IRMA but to the Southwestern Illinois Industrial Association. We appreciate their support of the... and putting on of the tennis tournament each year. Thank you."

"Ladies and Gentlemen, we have decided to go to the Order of Nonconcurrences, and we'll start at the top and go straight through. It appears on page nine on your Calendar. The first Bill is Senate Bill 14. Representative Bullock. Representative Bullock. Out of the record. 5  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day June 29, 1985 Senate Bill 17, Representative DeLeo. Representative DeLeo. Out of the record. Senate Bill 91, Representative Dunn. Out of the record. Senate Bill 97, Representative McCracken. Representative Hawkinson."

"Madam Speaker, we would move to recede from House Amendment #1."

"The Gentleman moves to recede from House Amendment #1 to Senate Bill 97. On that Motion, the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Preston."

"Madam Speaker, are we going to follow procedure where the Sponsor of the Bill tells us, even on these Motions to recede, what the Bill is about and what Amendment is being receded from?"

"I think that's a good idea, a good idea. Representative Hawkinson."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Senate Bill 97 deals with the statute of limitations for sex crimes against minor children within a home. As originally passed by the Senate, it had a statute of limitations of the minors majority plus one year. In the House we put on an Amendment extending that to three years, and the Senate has nonconcurred. And we would accept the Senate version of one year, and I would move to recede from House Amendment #1."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Cullerton, on the question."

"Yes, I wondered if Representative Hawkinson might not mind taking this out of the record for a second so I could have my staff guy come down and talk to him about this Bill."

"Out of the record. Senate Bill 158, Representative Klemm."

"Thank you, Madam Chairman (sic - Speaker). I move the 6  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day June 29, 1985 House not recede from Senate Amendment... House Amendment #1 and ask that a Conference Committee be appointed. House... Senate Bill 158 created the County Historical Museum, and Senate Amendment... House Amendment was added which gave some definition as to how to dispose of property in case a museum organization were disbanded. There is some technical difficulties with it, and we wish to go to Conference Committee, at least, to correct those few minor details. And I..."

"The Gentleman refuses to recede from House Amendment #1 to Senate Bill 158. On the question, is there any discussion? Hearing none, the question is, 'Shall the House refuse to recede to House Amendment #1 to Senate Bill 158?' All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the House refuses to recede from House amendment #1 to Senate Bill 158. Senate Bill 165, Representative Capparelli."

"I move to recede from House Amendment #1. The Act amends the registration of title and... and allows the registry of titles to omit the preparation of title certificates and related duplications. I move to recede from House Amendment #1."

"The Gentleman moves to recede from House Amendment #1 to Senate Bill 165. Is there any discussion? Hearing none, the question is, 'Shall the House recede from House Amendment #1 to Senate Bill 165?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. This is final action. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 108 voting 'aye', none voting 'no' and none voting 'present', and the House does recede from Amendment #1 to Senate Bill 165. And this Bill, having 7  65th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 29, 1985 received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Senate Bill 200, Representative Braun. Out of the record. Senate 3ill 238 (sic 239), Representative Flinn. Representative Flinn."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I would move to recede from House Bill Isic Amendment) #1 from Senate Bill 239. This created quite a problem that we were not aware of in that it denies the... police training board two million dollars a year. And it was unintentional by the Sponsor, Representative O'Connell, and he's agreed to our receding on that Amendment."

"Tell us what the original Bill did, Sir."

"The original Bill is the one... You want to hear it again yourself, don't you? The original Bill was the one that permitted the traveling between 55 and 65, having to pay the fine but not being a reportable incident from the courts to the Secretary of State so that it does not become one of the three violations in one year."

"The Gentleman moves to recede from House Amendment #1 to Senate Bill 239. On the question, the Gentleman from DeWitt, Representative Vinson."

"Yes, Madam Speaker, will the Sponsor yield for a question?"

"He will."

"Representative, in effect, what we would be doing in this action is putting the Bill on the Governor's desk that says that if you're speeding ten miles over the limit it's not a moving violation and you can't get your license suspended? Is that correct?"

"Well, you can't use one of those incidents as one of the three violations in a year."

"Yes." 8  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day June 29, 1985

"It Just takes out the reporting requirements in that area. It does not deal with anything under 55. It does not deal with the local thing that Representative O'Connell talked about. That's all it does now. It does not change the speed laws at all."

"Doesn't change the speed laws. Just means... Just means that your license couldn't be suspended. Is that correct?"

"That's correct."

"Thank you."

"The question... The Gentleman from Lake, Representative Churchill, on the question."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Will the Gentleman yield?"

"He will yield."

"Representative Flinn, as the Bill was originally proposed, the Secretary of State objected to the Bill. Has their position changed at all now that House Amendment #1 has gone on?"

"I have not discussed it with them, but I would guess that it has not changed."

"Thank you."

"The question is, 'Shall the House recede from House Amendment #1 to Senate Bill 239?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. This is final action. Representative Homer. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 84 voting 'aye', 28 voting 'no' and none voting 'present', and the House does recede from House Amendment #1 to Senate Bill 239. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Senate Bill 309, Representative Mautino. Tell us the Bill and the Amendment and why you wish to recede."

"I'd be happy to, Speaker. You want my name, address, 9  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day June 29, 1985 telephone number, Social Security number and dog tags as well, right? Thank you very much, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Senate Bill 309 in its original form amended the Insurance Code to provide continuation of coverage under a group insurance policy shall not be available for an employee who is discharged because of the commission of a felony in theft with his or her work. House Amendment #1 provides for the continuation insurance coverage for those employees or those companies... employees of companies that are in bankruptcy, reorganization under the federal bankruptcy law. Amendment #2 provided that same type of... continuation being unavailable to a person subject to court supervision in connection with an employee related offense. Amendment #1 and #2 were not my Amendments, and I move that we do recede in House Amendments 1 and 2 to Senate Bill 309."

"The Gentleman moves that the House recede from Senate... from House Amendments #1 and 2 to Senate Bill 309. On the question, the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Cullerton."

"Yes, thank you, Madam Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I would rise to concur with Representative Hautino's Motion. The Amendment that we are receding from is one that I asked to be put on the Bill. The Bill dealing with... provides a continuation of employee group insurance coverage would not be available to an employee who... was discharged for the commission of a felony or theft in connection with his employment. And I felt that if that person received the... an order of supervision, which is not a... not a guilty, if they're successful, I felt that they perhaps shouldn't be included. But the rest of the Bill did say that they either had to be convicted or admit a crime, and in... with regard to 10  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day June 29, 1985 supervision, you do admit the crime. So there would be some confusion in the law if we were to allow Amendment #2 to stay on. So I agree that we should recede from Amendment #2."

"The Gentleman from Macon, Representative Tate. Representative Tate."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"He will."

"Dick, I'm a little concerned now since Representative Cullerton has agreed to concur with your Motion on Amendment #2. I thought Amendment #2 provided, which was an agreed upon Amendment, which provided that such a terminated employee shall not be eligible for continued coverage if the employee admits that his commission of a felony or theft has resulted in a conviction. It that currently... We'll be able to do that in the language?"

"Yes."

"Yes. Okay. Now, Amendment #1... Explain Amendment #1 one more time for me real briefly."

"Amendment #1 says that the insurance, if I remember correctly..."

"You made an... I think you made... Amendment #1 makes an exception for employees with employers that went bankrupt?"

"Yes. And we really can't do that because if you're in bankruptcy court, you don't have any insurance coverage anyway. So it was a moot question, Representative."

"Okay. That's fine."

"The question is, 'Shall the House recede from House Amendments #1 and 2 to Senate Bill 309?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. This is final action. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 111 voting 'aye', 1 voting 'no' 11  65th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 29, 1985 and none voting 'present', and the House does recede from Senate Amendments #1... House Amendments #1 and 2 to Senate Bill 309. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Senate Bill 320, Representative Ronan."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker and Members of the House. I move to recede from House Amendment #2 to Senate Bill 320. It's an important concept we're establishing, cutting the unemployment workers' comp insurance cost by 50% for new manufacturers. This Amendment, I think, hurts the concept of the Bill, so I move to recede from House Amendment #2."

"The Gentleman moves to recede from House Amendment #2 to Senate Bill 320. And on the question, the Gentleman from Peoria, Representative Tuerk."

"Well, Madam Speaker, Members of the House, this is the Amendment that I put on this Bill a week or so ago. This Bill relates to the 50% credit on work comp and unemployment insurance for new companies entering the area or entering the state. In and of itself, the concept is not a bad one; however, the Amendment that he's attempting to recede states that all companies would get the same treatment. And I think it's a valid point. I think those companies that have been here for years and years ought to get the same treatment as the new companies. I don't think we should discriminate; and, therefore, I would oppose the Gentleman's Motion."

"The Gentleman from DeWitt, Representative Vinson."

"Thank you, Ladies and Gentlemen. Thank you, Madam Speaker. I, too, rise in opposition to the Gentleman's Motion. What the Gentleman's Motion would have the effect of doing is to put Illinois in the posture where it's discriminating against Caterpillar. We're discriminating 12  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day June 29, 1985 against Chrysler. We're discriminating against Archer Daniels and Staley's. We're discriminating against every employer in this state who has made a long-term commitment to this state. If you care about employers in your district who've made a long-term commitment to this state, who stuck with us in hard times as well as good times, then you've got to oppose the Gentleman's Amendment. For those reasons, I would ask for a Roll Call vote on the Gentleman's Amendment."

"The Gentleman from Fulton, Representative Homer."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen. I rise in support of the Gentleman's Motion to recede from House Amendment #2. The existing businesses in Illinois are going to benefit by this Bill. And the reason they're going to benefit is because currently, firms such as Caterpillar and the other ones mentioned have a large number of employees on layoff status. Because of that, those employees are drawing unemployment insurance benefits. And as a result, Caterpillar and other similarly situated companies are paying higher payroll taxes. If, in fact, a new company would come into Illinois as a result of this type of inducement legislation which would create a minimum of 100 jobs, which is the threshold requirement, then that company would ostensibly employ those same unemployed workers who are now a drain upon existing manufacturers in the State of Illinois. Therefore, the payroll taxes would be reduced for those existing companies, and they would benefit as well as... as well as those unemployed employees who would be now put back to work in the new industries. With the Gentleman's Amendment #2, Representative Tuerk's Amendment #2, what it really does is say that all businesses that moved here since 1976 13  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day June 29, 1985 and created at least 100 jobs would be eligible for this rebate. That really simply renders the entire concept ludicrous because there's no way that it would be implemented under those circumstances. So to vote for Amendment #2 would be simply to kill the Bill and to kill what is a good idea - to stimulate business in the State of Illinois. So I rise to support Representative Ronan and would ask that you join in receding from House Amendment #2."

"The Gentleman from Knox, Representative McMaster. The Gentleman from Adams, Representative Mays."

"Thank you very much, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I rise in opposition to the Gentleman's Motion to recede from this Amendment. As brought out in the discussions on this Amendment when we first adopted it, and I think it was adopted almost unanimously if I recall, this lessens the discrimination on Illinois businesses that have been here for... since 1976. And in my discussion, in my remarks on that Amendment when it was first proposed, I said it probably doesn't go far enough. Indeed, the Sponsor of the Bill recognizes that workers' comp costs and unemployment insurance costs do impede the formation of jobs in this state simply by the introduction of the Bill itself. It seems apparent to me that a far more constructive and less discriminatory manner of approaching this thing would be to simply attack the root cause of the problems of workers' comp and unemployment insurance rather than applying grants to entice businesses to come here, slapping the face of those businesses that have stuck with us through the hard times. For that reason, I oppose it."

"The question is, Shall the House recede from House Amendment #2 to Senate Bill 320?* All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. 14  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASS EMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day This is final action. Have all voted Representative Homer. Have all voted who wish? The Gentleman from Macon. Representative Tate, one minute to explain your vote."

"Madam Speaker, just in the event that this would receive the requisite number of votes, we'd like to verify this Roll Call."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Ronan, one minute to explain your vote. Representative Ronan, one minute to explain your vote."

"Well, you know, I think that the debate has already been established. This is a Bill that the Senate Sponsor worked very hard on. I feel that this Amendment really distorts the concept that we tried to establish. I think that, you know, we can use all the rhetoric we want. We know that the Department of Commerce and Community Affairs is going to have a five million dollar appropriation there, and this really distorts the concept that has been worked on and that's very legitimate if we want to put people back to work here in the State of Illinois. So I urge a green vote so the Bill can be in the form that I and the Senate Sponsor want it to be in."

"The Gentleman from Will, Representative Regan, one minute to explain your vote."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Members of the House. I find it very interesting that I proposed four Bills earlier in this Session that would clean up the language of unemployment insurance and workmen's comp. not to the offense of the labor or the laborer but strictly to clean up the language of abuse, double payments that would, lower the cost of workmen's comp in this state. And now comes a Bill that admits the fact that that's a problem. But my four Bills were killed instantly in Committee, five minutes 15  65th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 29, 1985 after a two hour wait. I don't understand now how... turn around and make every taxpayer in the state give grants to new businesses in this area. We should go to the root of the problem, as stated before, and reduce the cost of workmen's comp and unemployment insurance."

"Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question. there are 54 voting *aye, 60 voting 'no' and 1 voting "present". Representative Ronan. Okay, the Motion to recede fails. The next Bill on page ten on your Calendar is Senate Bill 328, Representative Wolf.

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. I move to nonrecede from House Amendment #1 to Senate Bill 328 and ask that a Conference Committee be appointed."

"Tell us what the Bill does and why you wish refuse to recede." to

"The Bill is an Amendment to the Vehicle Code under which the Secretary of State would have been empowered to issue handicapped license plates or decals to not-for-profit organizations. The House Amendment that we put on had the tendency to expand that authorization into areas that the Senate Sponsor did not approve of, and we would ask to work it out in Conference Committee."

"The Gentleman has moved to refuse to recede from House Amendment #1... this is House Amendment #1. Mr. Clerk, to Senate Bill 328. Is there any discussion? Hearing none, the question.is, Shall the House refuse to recede from House Amendment #1?" All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say "nay". In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the House refuses to recede from House Amendment #1 to Senate Bill 328. Senate Bill 447, Representative Giorgi."

"Madam Speaker, I move to refuse to recede from Amendment 16  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day June 29, 1985 03... Senate Amendment... House Amendment #3 to Senate Bill 447. This is DeAngelis' Bill that has to do with self-employed and self-insured workmen's comp provider, and it has to do with the filing of receipt by the attorneys. But the people in the business tell me we forgot to take care of one matter. They'd like us to go to a Conference Committee Report so we could take care of that matter."

"The Gentleman has moved to refuse to... refused to recede from House Amendment #3 to Senate Bill 447. Is there any discussion? Hearing none, the question is, 'Shall the House refuse to recede from House Amendment #3?' All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes have it, and the House refuses to recede from House Amendment #3 to Senate Bill 447. Senate Bill 448, Representative Hastert. The Motion is to recede from House Amendment #1 to Senate Bill 448 and thus pass the Bill. Representative Hastert."

"Refuse to recede."

"Okay, the Gentleman has moved to refuse to recede from House Amendment #1 to Senate Bill 448. Can you tell us why?"

"The... The Amendment we put on, Madam Chairman (sic Speaker), was an Amendment to put the Bill into Conference Committee. It's the final appropriate bonding authority for the GO bonds of the University of Illinois. You can't do that... We can't set that amount until we find out what the capital appropriation is."

"On the question of refusing to recede, is there any discussion? Hearing none, the question is, 'Shall the House refuse to recede from House Amendment #1 to Senate Bill 448?' All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the House refuses to recede from House Amendment #1 17  65th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE to Senate Bill 448. Senate Bill 505, Peterson." June 29, 1985

Representative Peterson: "Thank you, Madam Speaker, Members of the House. I move to recede from House Amendment 1 to Senate Bill 505. The original Bill dealt with the boundaries of municipalities and its inclusion in highway roads. The Amendment dealt with incorporation of areas that were adjacent to municipalities who objected to their incorporation, and I so move to recede from House Amendment 1 to 505."

"The Gentleman has moved to recede from House Amendment #1 to Senate Bill 505. Is there any discussion? Hearing none, the question is, Shall the House recede from House Amendment #1 to Senate Bill 505?" All those in favor vote 'aye", all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. This is final action. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 115 voting 'aye', none voting 'no' and none voting 'present', and the House does recede from House Amendment #1 to Senate Bill 505. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. The record should show for all those Motions where Members have refused to recede they have requested a Conference Committee, and a Conference Committee shall be appointed for those Motions. Senate Bill 513, Representative Keane. Out of the record. Senate Bill 521, Representative Terzich. Representative Terzich."

"Yes, Madam Chairman (sic - Speaker) and Members of the House, I move that we recede from Amendment #3 to Senate Bill 521. Senate Bill 521 amended the... the manufacturing tax, and it extended to businesses on computers. What Amendment #3 did..."

"Excuse me, Representative Terzich. 18  65th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 29, 1985 Representative Vinson, for what reason do you rise?"

"For a very unusual event. I'd like to introduce Speaker Madigan to the Body."

"Excuse me, Representative Terzich."

"They're probably playing, "Let's Make a Deal' anyhow so... What Amendment #3 did, which was offered by Representative Leverenz, was set up DCCA to make low interest loans to... to businesses in the State of Illinois. The Senate did not concur with that, and I make a Motion that we recede from Amendment #3."

"The Gentleman moves to recede from House Amendment #3 to Senate Bill 521. Is there any discussion? Hearing none, the question is, 'Shall the House recede from House Amendment #1 to Senate Bill 5... Excuse me. that's House Amendment #3 to Senate Bill 521?" All those in favor vote 'aye, all those opposed vote 'no". Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? This is final action. Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 116 voting 'aye, none voting 'no" and none voting 'present', and the House does recede from House Amendment #3 to Senate Bill 521. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Senate Bill 560, Representative Wojcik."

"Yes, Madam Chairman (sic - Speaker) and Members of the House, I refuse to recede from Senate Bill 560 and ask for a Conference Committee."

"Tell us what the Bill does and why."

"The Bill takes... is an Act relating to increasing the tax rate for libraries by referendum. The Amendment corrected an error that was in reference to the correct levy figure, and there has to be some technical changes made on the Amendments." 19  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day June 29, 1985

"The question is, 'Shall the House refuse to recede from House Amendment #1 to Senate Bill 560?' Is there any discussion? Hearing none, the question is, 'Shall the House recede from... Shall the House refuse to recede from House Amendment #1?' All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the House refuses to recede from House Amendment #1 to Senate Bill 560. Senate Bill 651, Representative Parcells."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Senate Bill 651 amends the Illinois Vehicle Code. Provides that any driver under the influence of alcohol or other drug who is involved in a motor vehicle accident that resulted in personal injury to any other person involved in such accident or which resulted in property damage in excess of 300 dollars shall be guilty of a Class 4 felony. The Amendment #1, which they have asked us to recede from, I would like to recede from. It was technically incorrect, and it was corrected in Amendment #2."

Speaker Breslin: "The Lady moves to recede from House Amendment #1 to Senate Bill 651. Is there any discussion? Hearing none, the question is, 'Shall the House recede from House Amendment #1 to Senate Bill 651?' All those... The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Cullerton, on the question."

"Yes, I didn't hear what the Amendment did."

Speaker Breslin: "She indicated Representative Parcells."

"Thank you. that... Excuse me. The Amendment actually provided... Actually I think you and Representative McCracken worked on this. It provides that a person who, while under the influence, is involved in a motor vehicle accident which results in great bodily harm - we added that language, or 20  65th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 29, 1985 permanent disability or disfigurement while such violation is the proximate cause of such injuries to another shall be guilty of a Class 4 felony. And that was technically incorrect and so we amended it with Amendment #2."

"Who's Amendment was it?"

"Beg your pardon?"

"Who's Amendment was it? Representative Hawkinson's Amendment?"

"Hawkinson."

"Okay."

"That was correct."

"What do you think? Does he concur with this Motion to recede?"

"Yes, he does."

"Fine. Thank you."

"The question is, "Shall the House recede from House Amendment #1 to Senate Bill 651?* All those in favor vote 'aye, all those opposed vote 'no". Voting is open. This is final action. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question. there are 113 voting 'aye", none voting 'no' and none voting present, and the House does recede from House Amendment #1 to Senate Bill 651. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Senate Bill 830, Representative Tate.

"Out of the record."

"Out of the record. Senate Bill 1004, Representative Homer. Out of the record. Senate Bill 1064, Representative Saltsman."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. I do not recede from Senate Bill... Amendment 1064 (sic - 1) and would like for this to go to a Conference Committee." 21  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day

"Tell us why." June 29, 1985

"The Sponsor of the Amendment, Representative Bullock, is not satisfied with it, and he would like to come back for consideration."

"The Gentleman moves to refuse to recede from House Amendment #1 to Senate Bill 1064. On the question, the Gentleman from Adams, Representative Mays."

"Would the Sponsor of this Motion care to explain exactly what the House Amendment does that he refuses to recede in?"

"Representative Saltsman, on the question."

"Yes, that's an Amendment where if an employer changes hands that the new owner and employer of that company is bound by the present labor contract of the employer that's selling the business."

"Thank you. To the Motion, and you... you are... Your Motion is to refuse to recede from that Amendment? To the Motion, Madam Speaker. I would rise in opposition to the Motion. I believe that this topic has been debated many times in this Assembly with mixed results. I think now's a good time to get another clear Roll Call on this issue to see where people really stand. I might add that the substance of the Bill dealt with the Education - Labor Relations Board. We adopted an Amendment to Senate Bill 588 which takes that out, so there is nothing redeeming about this Bill as it stands right now, and the best way to make it clean and absolutely clear would be to just recede from this Amendment and let it go its own merry way. So I would rise in opposition to this Motion. It would, in effect, state that future employers buying businesses right now would have to honor the contracts, not just recognize the union, at the company they bought. I believe that is in conflict with federal law and federal court decisions on 22  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day this question, should recede." June 29, 1985 and so I would... I believe that the House

"The Gentleman from Peoria, Representative Tuerk."

"Madam Speaker, Members of the House, the previous speaker outlined the opposition to this quite well. This was the subject of a House Bill early in the Session which we defeated soundly. The fact that it is attached to this Bill doesn't make it any better. I think it is an idea whose time hasn't come yet, so I would urge you to vote 'no' on this Motion of Nonconcurrence."

"The Gentleman from Effingham, Representative Hartke."

"I move the previous question."

"The Gentleman moves the previous question. The question is, 'Shall the main question be put?' All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the main question is put. Representative Saltsman, to close."

"Yes, Madam Speaker, this is to protect employees rights from companies who purposely sell to other entities to break labor contracts. It's only three years. Three years is all they're bound by, and if they can't last for three years on a previous commitment to their employees, they shouldn't buy the company to start with. I ask for a favorable vote."

"The question is, 'Shall the House refuse to recede from Senate... from House Amendment $1 to Senate Bill 1064?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 64 voting 'aye', 51 voting 'no' and none voting 'present'. Representative 23  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day Mays, for what reason do you rise?"

"I would seek to verify." June 29, 1985

"Refusal to recede, you understand. only requires a simple majority."

"Okay. I'll withdraw that request."

"The Gentleman withdraws his verification, and the House does refuse to recede from Senate Amendment... House Amendment #1 to Senate Bill 1064. Senate Bill 1091. Representative Panayotovich."

"Could we take this out of the record for about two minutes."

"Out of the record. Senate Bill 1129, Representative Young, Anthony Young."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I move that the House recede from House Amendment #1 to Senate Bill 1129. Senate Bill 1129 is the Bill that creates the Minority Control and Female Control Business Loan Board. It was passed out of this House and has wide support throughout the state. The Amendment we placed on it merely changes the board to a program. It had a technical defect, but because of its importance through the people throughout the state its supporters do not want to see it in a Conference Committee; and, therefore, I move that we remove the Amendment and send it to the Governor's desk."

"The Gentleman moves to recede from House Amendment #2 to Senate Bill 1129. Is there any discussion? Hearing none, the question is, "Shall the House recede from House Amendment #2 to Senate Bill 1129?* All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no". Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 75 voting 'aye', 39 voting "no" and none voting 24  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day June 29, 1985 'present, and the House does recede from House Amendment #2 to Senate Bill 1129. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Senate Bill 1345, Representative Curran. Representative Curran. Out of the record. Senate Bill 1388, Representative Woodyard."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. I would move to recede from House Amendments #1, 2, 3 to Senate Bill 1388. The underlying Bill is a Department of Public Aid workfare Bill, at their request, that simply codifies what the Department is presently doing in job programs. The Senate Sponsor has asked that the three Amendments be removed. One is rather ambiguous in that it just says that you cannot force a person on GA or public aid in these workfare programs to participate where there is no program. And so that's not needed. Senate (sic - House) Amendment #2 simply changes wording from 90 days to three months for the eligibility, period. So that's not really needed. And House Amendment #3 is a previous Bill by Representative LeFlore, 1479, that totally changes the Bill and removes the flexibility of public aid to comply with some of the federal guidelines. And so I would move to recede from those."

"The Gentleman has moved to recede from House Amendments #1, 2 and 3 to Senate Bill 1388. And on the question, the Gentleman from Cook, Representative White."

"Madam Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I would strongly resist the Gentleman's move to remove Senate... Senate (sic - House) Amendments 1, 2... House Amendments 1, 2, and 3 from Senate Bill 1388. The Bill came out of my Committee, and it was with the understanding that these three Amendments be attached to the Bill in order for the Bill to be voted out. And I think that it's 25  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day June 29, 1985 unfair on the part of the Gentleman across the aisle to take this action at this time, and I would ask this Body to join with me in resisting his move to recede from Amendments 1, 2 and 3."

"There being no further discussion, Representative Woodyard to close."

"I simply ask for a favorable Roll Call on my Motion to recede."

"The question is, 'Shall the House recede from House Amendments #1, 2 and 3 to Senate Bill 1388?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 53... 52 voting 'aye', 63 voting 'no' and none voting 'present', and that Motion fails. Representative Woodyard."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Then I would now move to refuse to recede from Senate... House Amendments 1, 2 and 3 and ask that a Conference Committee be appointed."

"The Gentleman moves to refuse to recede... The Gentleman moves to refuse to recede on House Amendments 1, 2 and 3 to Senate Bill 1388. All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the House does refuse to recede to House Amendments #1, 2 and 3 to Senate Bill 1388, and a Conference Committee will be appointed. Representative Dunn, we skipped over a Bill of yours earlier on this Call. Do you wish to have it called, Senate Bill 91? Out of the record. Going back now, with leave of the Body, to House Bill 1091, Representative Panayotovich."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I refuse to recede from Senate (sic House) Amendments. We put this Amendments on in the House to make 26  65th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASS EMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 29, 1985 the Bill worthwhile, putting on a court order, and I refuse to recede and ask for a Conference Committee."

"The Gentleman refuses to... moves to refuse to recede from House Amendments #1 and 2 to Senate Bill 1091. On that question, the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Pedersen."

"Yes, Madam Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Representative, is this the... the Bill that over in the Senate they said they were going to put mandatory insurance... auto insurance on in the Conference Committee?"

"If the Senate said it, I wasn't knowledgeable of it. It could be. I was gone yesterday in the afternoon, and I wasn't on the House floor. This Bill had to do with the suspension of licenses, and the Amendments we put on were good Amendments. And I think they should stay on it, and that's why I want a Conference Committee set up. And what's done with it then after that, I don't know."

"Well, one of those Amendments required IDOT to report to the Governor and the General Assembly on the effectiveness of a mandatory seat belt law and..."

"That's correct."

"...saving lives. But in as much as the... we're going to have the law, it doesn't really matter that much, does it?"

"Representative Panayotovich in response to a question."

"Representative Cullerton wants to..."

"Representative Cullerton."

"Yes, perhaps, I can answer the Gentleman's point. The Amendment #2, which was put on by Representative Curran, would require the Department of Transportation to conduct a survey and report the findings to the Governor 27  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day June 29, 1985 and the General Assembly on the effectiveness of the seat belt law. If the seat belt law... If the studies show that there were problems with the seat belt law, that people weren't following the law or that... Representative, are you... Representative, are you paying attention?"

"Yes."

"I'm trying to answer your question concerning Senate Amendment #2. You don't care about the Amendments?"

"Excuse me. Representative Cullerton, you're not the Sponsor of this Bill. Does anyone else choose to speak on the issue?"

"Yes, Madam Speaker, I'm not... I'm not finished."

"Okay. Representative Pedersen, do you have any other further questions of Representative Panayotovich?"

"Representative, would... would you guarantee to us that the mandatory car insurance Bill would not be put on this in Conference?"

"Representative Panayotovich."

"No, Sir."

"Well, to the Motion, Madam Speaker."

"Proceed."

"It... It was said on the Senate floor that this was going to be a vehicle for mandatory auto insurance. So I think we know what this is about. The legislation has had more than a fair hearing. We've already gone on record once. It looks like now that we're going to try to be strung out on it least a couple of more times. Conference Committee Reports can carry negative vibes. House Bill 800 failed to pass even when we had ample time to consider it. Now we go to smoke filled rooms so we can fashion another Bill to slip it in between other big ticket items. like Build Illinois, education reform, McCormick Place, et cetera. I would recommend to the House that we not go 28  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day June 29, 1985 along with the... with the Representative's Motion."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Shaw."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I concur with Representative Pedersen in terms of this Bill. We've tried... They want to send a lot of Bills to Conference Committee. We'll be here until all... all next week probably, and hopefully we won't be here that long. If we... If we don't take the action that the Gentleman is asking for this Bill and hopefully we will not go along with this... with this Motion here."

"The Gentleman from Macon, Representative Tate."

"Thank you. Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I think it should be clear that the Senate Sponsors have already indicated that this will be the vehicle for mandatory insurance. If you... I know many of the Members right now are concerned about having their Bills heard, getting the different Conference Committee Reports out of here. And if we are, in fact, going to attempt to adjourn on time this year, I can guarantee all the Members of this chamber that mandatory insurance will take up several hours of debate on this House floor as well as the Senate floor. This is a possible vehicle for not only mandatory insurance but for seat belts. Now if you want to go through that entire process, that entire debate again, I... I would encourage you to vote for that. If you feel like we've dealt with that issue, that it's gone through the chamber, that we don't need to debate those issues, you should be voting "no". I rise in opposition to the Gentleman's Motion, and I hope that it's clear that this is what the intent that the Sponsors are attempting to do. And I would ask the Speaker for a Roll Call on this vote."

"The Gentleman from Madison, Representative Wolf." 29  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day

"Madam Speaker, I move the previous question."

June 29, 1985 "The Gentleman has moved the previous question. The question is, Shall the main question be put?" All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes have it, and the main question is put. Representative Panayotovich to close."

"I just refuse to recede and ask for your favorable vote." 'aye'...

"The question is, Shall the House refuse to recede in House Amendments #l and 2 to Senate Bill 1091?" All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote'no". Voting is open. explain your vote." Representative Davis, one minute to

"Well, thank you, Madam Speaker. I rise in support of the Gentleman's Motion for the simple reason that this is going to be a vehicle for mandatory insurance. I'm sure of it, as I'm sure that everybody else here is. This issue is divided in our Membership and divided in your Membership, but nevertheless, the clarion clear call is there. And this House endorsed mandatory insurance. The Senate did not. I think they ought to have a chance to consider it again, as I think we should. The seat belts is another issue. If it's on it, it's on it, and I guess we'll cross that when we come to it. And it will even further muddy up the water for those that oppose either one ог the other. So let's take a shot at it. Let's get the Gentleman's Motion concurred."

"The Gentleman from Hill, Representative Regan, one minute to explain your vote."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. I would just advise a 'no' vote on this. I was in the Senate at the time of debate, and there was no question about it that this is the Bill for mandatory auto. And I'm tired of talking about it, and 30  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day I don't want to talk any more. Thank you."

"The... Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 55... 56 voting 'aye', 59 voting 'no' and none voting 'present'. Representative Panayotovich asks for a Poll of the Absentees."

"Poll of the Absentees. DeLeo. Krska and Nash. No further."

"Representative Panayotovich, your Motion has failed. Do you have any further Motions?"

"Verification of the negative, please."

"Representative Tate, for what reason do you rise?"

"Well, Madam Speaker, have you already announced the Roll Call on this and called the Bill?"

"There's been a request for a Poll of the... verification of the negative."

"If that's the case, then I would... although I think you've already announced the Roll Call which would then would declare the verification out of order, but... If you pursue the verification, then I would ask that if he does knock off the requisite number of 'no' votes to verify the affirmative. And we can spend an hour and two hours on verification."

"Representative Tate... Representative Johnson, for what reason do you rise?"

"Could I have leave to be verified?"

"Okay. Representative Johnson, I think Representative Panayotovich is verifying the negative, so you'll have to speak to Representative Tate about verifying the affirmative. Representative White changes his vote from 'aye' to 'no'. Representative Stern changes her vote from 'no' to 'aye'. Representative Saltsman changes his 31  65th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 29, 1985 vote from 'no' to 'aye". Representative Capparelli changes his vote from "no" to 'aye'. Representative Mulcahey changes his vote from 'no' to 'aye'. What is the count, Mr. Clerk, now? Representative Wojcik changes her vote 'aye' to 'no". Representative DeLeo wishes to be recorded as voting 'aye. Representative Harris changes... Excuse me. Representative Cowlishaw."

"Madam Speaker, would you please change my vote from 'yes' to 'no'."

"The Lady changes her vote from 'aye' to "no". Mr. Clerk, what... what's the vote? Representative Panayotovich, there are 58 voting 'aye' and 58 voting "no", so I guess a verification is appropriate on both sides, but we will start with you since you requested the verification first. Would you poll the negative, Mr. Clerk? Representative Stange. Representative Stange, you're voting 'no'. Would you turn on Representative Stange?"

"Put me now to 'yes' please."

"The Gentleman changes his vote from "no" to 'aye'. There are, therefore, 59 voting 'aye' and 58 voting 'no"... 57 voting "no". So there is a verification requested by Representative Tate. So now we will proceed with the verification of the affirmative. Proceed, Mr. Clerk."

"Barnes. Bowman. Capparelli. Christensen. Countryman. Cullerton. Curran. Currie. Daniels. Davis. Deleo. Deuchler. Didrickson. Dunn. Farley. Giglio. Giorgi. Greiman. Hensel. Hoffman. Homer. Johnson. Keane."

"Representative Ryder, for what reason do you rise? The Gentleman asks leave to be verified, Representative Tate, and that is granted."

"Kirkland. Klemm. Kubik. Kulas. Laurino. 32  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day Leverenz. Levin. Matijevich. Hautino. McGann. McNamara. McPike." June 29, 1985

McCracken. Speaker Breslin: "Representative Countryman, for what reason do you rise? The Gentleman asks leave to be verified. Representative Tate, and that is granted. Representative McCracken has asked leave to be verified. Will you grant that to Representative McCracken? And that is granted. Representative McAuliffe, for what reason do you rise?"

"To change my vote from 'no' to 'aye'."

"The Gentleman changes his vote from 'no' to 'aye', Representative McAuliffe. Representative Hallock changes his vote from 'no' to 'aye'. Representative Ronan, for what reason do you rise?"

"Madam Speaker, I'd like leave for Kulas and me to be verified."

"Representative Tate, Representative Kulas and Representative Ronan ask leave. That is granted. Proceed, Mr. Clerk."

"Mulcahey. Oblinger. O'Connell. Panayotovich. Pangle. Phelps. Preston. Ronan. Ropp."

"Excuse me. Representative Hallock, for what reason do you rise?"

"I ask leave to be verified, please."

"Leave for Representative Hallock. That is granted."

"Ryder. Saltsman. Satterthwaite. Stange. Steczo. Stern. Sutker. Van Duyne. Vinson. Weaver. Williamson. Wolf. Woodyard. And Mr. Speaker."

"Do you have any questions of the affirmative, Sir? Representative Tate."

"Representative..."

"Excuse me. Representative Barnes asks leave to be verified. Representative Barnes. That is granted." 33  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day

"Representative Curran." June 29, 1985

"Representative Curran is in his chair."

"Representative Currie."

"Representative Currie is by her chair. Representative McNamara asks leave to be verified, and that is granted."

"Representative Cullerton."

"Representative Cullerton is in the chamber."

"Representative Keane."

"Representative Keane is in his chair."

"Representative Preston."

"Representative Preston. Is the Gentleman in the chamber? Representative Preston. Remove him from the Roll Call. Representative Preston has returned to the chamber. Add him to the Roll Call."

"Representative Greiman."

"Representative Greiman. Representative Greiman. Is the Gentleman in the chamber? Remove him."

"Representative Deuchler."

"Representative Deuchler. Representative Deuchler. Is the Lady in the chamber? Remove her."

"Representative Giorgi. There he is. There's Zeke."

"The Gentleman is in the chamber."

"Representative Weaver."

"Representative Weaver. Is the Gentleman in the chamber? Representative Weaver. He is not. Remove him."

"Representative Giglio."

"Representative Giglio is in the chamber."

"Representative Williamson."

"Representative Williamson is in the chamber."

"Representative Mulcahey."

"Representative Mulcahey is in the chamber."

"Representative Hoffman." 34  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day

"Representative Hoffman. Hoffman. Is the Gentleman in the chamber? June 29, 1985 Representative He is not. Representative Weaver has returned to the Remove him. chamber. Add him to the Roll Call."

"Representative Bullock."

"Representative Stange asks leave to be..."

"No, I don't want to verify Bullock. I want... Representative Levin."

"Representative Tate, Representative Stange has asked leave to be verified. Can he be verified? He can. And who was your last question?"

"I have several more questions. I have Representative Homer."

"Representative Homer. Representative Homer. He is in the chamber."

"Okay. Representative Levin."

"Representative Levin is in his chair."

"Representative... No, I... Representative Bowman."

"Representative Bowman is in his chair."

"Madam Speaker, I verified Representative Greiman. I understand that he's in the Governor's Office right now on another matter. I would... I guess would not like to knock him off if that's the case."

"Okay. Representative Greiman will be added to the Roll Call as voting 'aye'."

"Representative Ropp."

"Representative Ropp is in the chamber."

"Representative Van Duyne."

"Representative Van Duyne is in his chair."

"Madam Speaker, what's the current Roll Call right now?"

"Have you finished with your verification, Sir? Have you finished with your verification?"

"No, I haven't. I'd just like a count if you could give me 35  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day a count." June 29, 1985

"We will announce the Call as soon as we've finished with the verification."

"Okay. Representative Farley."

"Representative Farley. Representative Farley. The Gentleman is not in the chamber. Remove him."

"Representative Nash."

"Representative Nash. The Gentleman is not voting."

"Representative DeLeo."

"Representative DeLeo is in the chamber."

"Representative Brunsvold."

"We've already added you to the Roll Call, Representative Greiman. Representative Brunsvold. The Gentleman is in the chamber, and he voted 'no'."

"Oh, he did? Okay. Okay. That's... We've exhausted our Roll Call, Madam Speaker."

"Mr. Clerk, what's the count? On this question, there are 58 voting 'aye' and 55 voting 'no', so the Motion to refuse to recede is adopted. And the Gentleman has requested a Conference Committee, and a Conference Committee shall be appointed. Ladies and Gentlemen, with leave of the Body we'd like to go back to a few Bills that were passed over on the same Order on Nonconcurrence. On page nine on your Calendar appears Senate Bill 17, Representative DeLeo. Representative, tell us what the Bill does, what the Amendment does and why you wish to recede from the Amendment."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Members of the House. I'm refusing to recede... the Amendment..."

"Do you wish to refuse to recede?"

"Yes, Ma'am."

"Okay. The Gentleman moves to refuse to recede 36  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day June 29, 1985 from Senate Amendment... House Amendment #l to Senate Bill 17. And on that question, the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Cullerton."

"Yes, I move the previous question."

"That's not necessary, Representative. The question is, 'Shall the House refuse to recede from House Amendment #1 to Senate Bill 17?" All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'nay". In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes have it, and the House refuses to recede from House Amendment #1 to Senate Bill 17. Senate Bill 97, Representative Hawkinson. Oh, yes, on all of these Bills where Members have refused to recede, a Conference Committee will be appointed. Representative Hawkinson."

"Thank you. Madam Speaker. We discussed this Bill earlier. I've discussed it with Representative Cullerton, and I would renew my Motion that we... the House recede from House Amendment #1 to Senate Bill 97. Briefly the original Senate Bill dealt with the statute of limitations involving minor victims of sex crimes committed in the same household. The original Senate Bill had a period of the... the victim's minority plus one year. Our House Amendment added three... three years plus minority, and I would move to recede from House Amendment #1."

"The Gentleman moves to recede From House Amendment #1 to Senate Bill 97. Is there any discussion? Hearing none, the question is, 'Shall the House recede from House Amendment #1 to Senate Bill 97?' All those in Favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote "no". Voting is open. This is final passage. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 115 voting 'aye", none voting 'no' and none voting 'present'. And the House does recede from House Amendment #1 to Senate Bill 97. And this Bill, 37  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASS EMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day June 29, 1985 having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Senate... Representative Preston, for what reason do you rise? Representative Preston wishes that the Journal shall indicate that he... had he voted he would have preferred to have voted 'aye". He would have voted 'aye'. Senate Bill 320, Representative Ronan. Representative Ronan. Representative Homer on the Motion."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. I'm a hyphenated Cosponsor of the Bill, and with leave of the Body will handle the Motion. I would at this time move to refuse to recede from House Amendment #2 to Senate Bill 320. This..."

"The Gentleman has moved to refuse to recede now from House Amendment #2 to Senate Bill 320. It's a Bill we have discussed previously. Is there any further discussion? Hearing none. the question is, Shall the House refuse to recede from Senate Bill 320?* All those in favor say "aye", all those opposed say 'nay". In the opinion of the Chair, the ayes' have it, and the House refuses to recede from... from Amendment #2... House Amendment #2 to Senate Bill 320. The next Bill is... and requests a Conference Committee. On all of these, it is assumed that a Conference Committee is requested. and a Conference Committee will be appointed. On... The next Bill is Senate Bill 830, Representative Tate."

"Yes, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, 1 would like to refuse to recede and... on House Amendment #1 to Senate Bill 830. The Senate refused to concur with the Amendment that we put on. And at the present time Senate Bill 830 is the incentive program for the lodge... several different lodges that this House adopted last year, and I'd like to send this to a Conference Committee to work out the differences between the Senate and the House."

"The Gentleman has moved to refuse to recede 38  65th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 29, 1985 from House Amendment #1 to Senate Bill 830. Is there any discussion? Hearing none, the question is, 'Shall the House refuse to recede from House Amendment #1?' All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the House refuses to recede from House Amendment #1 to Senate Bill 830, and a Conference Committee will be appointed. Representative Keane, for what reason do you rise?"

"Yes, I'd like to make a Motion on Senate Bill 513."

"Senate Bill 513, Representative Keane, on the Order of Nonconcurrence."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. I would move to refuse to recede from Amendment #1 to Senate Bill 513 and ask... ask that a Conference Committee be appointed."

"Can you give us the reason?"

"Yes. We're using this as a vehicle Bill."

"Okay. The Gentleman has moved to recede... moved to refuse to recede from House Amendment #1 to Senate Bill 513. Is there any discussion? Hearing none, the question is, 'Shall the House refuse to recede on House Amendment #1?' All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the House refuses to recede from House Amendment #1 to Senate Bill 513. And a Conference Committee is requested. One shall be appointed. Ladies and Gentlemen, we will now go to the Order of Concurrences, appropriation matters only. The first Bill is Representative Currie's Bill. It appears on page two on your Calendar, House Bill 143, Representative Currie."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker and Members of the House. This is the appropriation Bill for the substantive Bill 142 that has now passed both chambers. That Bill creates a program of direct state support for public radios and reaffirms our 39  65th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 29, 1985 commitment of direct state support for public television stations. The Senate Amendment to House Bill 143 increases the appropriation to a sum total of 5.6 million dollars. I'm happy to answer your questions, and I would appreciate your support."

"The Lady moves to concur in Senate Amendments #1 and 2 to house Bill 143. Is there any discussion? The Gentleman from DuPage, Representative McCracken."

"Is the net effect of both Amendments to increase the appropriation as it passed out of the House?"

"Representative Currie."

"Thank you. The total appropriation under the Amendment adopted by the Senate is 5.6 million dollars. That's a little higher than the Bill was when it left the House."

"Okay. Well, to the... to the Motion to concur. I... I rise in opposition to the Motion to concur. HB 142 should never have passed, and certainly HB 143 with an appropriation even greater than that contemplated by the House should not pass. We're talking about using taxpayers' money, taken under the force of law, for the use of some public television stations because apparently their ability to raise money is in jeopardy or because someone wants to give 'em money. The days of the king being the patron of the arts has passed us by. We live in a democracy today. So let's move into the new era, and if they want to raise money, let's let them do it on their own. I strongly object to a concurrence."

"The Gentleman from DeWitt, Representative Vinson."

"Yes, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, there are a lot of things that it is important that this State Government adequately fund - education, certainly among them. We still have not dealt with funding education 40  65th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 29, 1985 and yet we're talking about funding public radio and public television. Now in the past, I have at times been an advocate for funding public radio and public television because they are useful things. But they are useful things to the wealthiest members of this society. It is a very elitist approach to say we're going to fund public radio and public television before we're going to fund education. I don't think this General Assembly should go on record in that fashion. If we're going to take care of education, that's one thing. But until we know that we're going to take care of education, we need not be taking care of public radio and public television and the elitist part of this society. I urge a 'no' vote on the concurrence."

"The Gentleman from Madison, Representative Wolf."

"Madam Speaker, I move the previous question."

"The Gentleman moves the previous question. The question is, 'Shall the main question be put?' All those in favor say 'aye'... All those in favor vote 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 66 voting 'aye', 47 voting 'no' and none voting 'present', and the Motion fails. The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Levin."

"I think the last speaker was totally wrong when he said that public television and radio is for the elite. It is just the opposite. It is really the one opportunity for the average citizen and the average child, who may not be able to afford cable television or other kinds of education, to be able to get exposure to a lot of good, wholesome educational programs. I know my children have watched Sesame Street'and 'Mr. Rogers' and an awful lot of tremendous programs which have been highly educational and 41  65th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 29, 1985 have done an awful lot to help prepare them for school. I think it's a very good investment. I think it's a high priority. I've gotten a lot of mail from my constituents as to the importance of this legislation, and I urge an 'aye' vote for concurrence to Senate Amendment #2 to House Bill 143."

"The Gentleman from Kendall, Representative Hastert."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I just reiterate some of the arguments that we've talked about... We would like to put this Bill in Conference Committee and..."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Piel."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Correct me if I'm wrong. She wants to concur with these Amendments, correctly?"

"Yes, she does."

"Mr.... Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I think, you know, we're sitting in a situation where public radio and television stations today have fund raisers. They work strictly at the... you know, not strictly but the majority of their funds come from public contributions. They are an asset to the community, but at times, you know, in these last couple of days, we have to come to, you know, decisions which lots of times aren't the most popular. We have to sit here and make decisions whether, you know, monies are going to be used for education, or whether they're going to be used for public aid, or whether they're going to be used for public radio stations. We're talking about a 2.6 million dollar increase in what we sent over from the House. We're talking about, you know, 5 million dollars right now that this Bill has been increased. I have always been a strong advocate of public radio and television stations in the State of Illinois, but I think 42  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day June 29, 1985 we are establishing a very, very bad precedent. Because if you think that the 5 million dollars will stop this year, wait till next year. It will be 10 million, and then it is going to get bigger and bigger. Nothing in State Government usually gets smaller. But at the present time, I think we should send this to Conference Committee, try and work out the problems. Bring this down to a reasonable figure if we're going to bring it down. And so I would ask for a 'no' vote at the present time."

"The Gentleman from Lake, Representative Matijevich."

"Madam Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I notice in this Session there's been some legislation to try to get at, you know, quote, 'obscenity' and cable TV and what not. And I think some of the same Members that don't support this support for public television are those that have that type of legislation in. I think that when we see what happens on public television in some of the documentaries and the programs, this is the type of program that you like to see. I think that we have... ought to have a strong commitment to public television, and we can show that strong commitment by supporting these Amendments. And I feel that that ought to come from that side of the aisle also. So, I would urge the Members, surely on this side of the aisle, to support Representative Currie in her Motion."

"The Gentleman from Will, Representative Davis."

"Well, thank you, Mr. Speaker... or Madam Speaker, I apologize. I have no quarrel with supporting public radio, and I happen to believe that Channel 11 in Chicago produces some of the finest documentaries, some of the finest public television around, except for one small thing. Channel 11 is very prone to experiment with... now we're talking about 43  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day June 29, 1985 monies for public policy tax monies going into experimentation that Channel 11 does. And I've seen in prime time on Channel 11 frontal nudity, some of the most vile Anglo-Saxon profanity that I hear around here a lot. But nevertheless, I don't think it's a good idea that the taxpayers of this state fund that kind... that kind of programming in prime time. The argument is, well, you can shut it off, and that's true. You can shut it off, as you can cable and any other thing that's offensive to you. But nevertheless, now we're talking about funding public dollars as a public policy of everybody's tax dollars who oppose that kind of thing on public television. And I hesitate to raise the issue, because I think most of their programming is fine. And we're not in the censorship business. I suppose they ought to be able to do whatever they want to do in public television, but they ought not to use my tax dollars because I object to it or any other conservative person in this General Assembly, use their tax dollars. And I think we ought to defeat this and strip out the public television at least. I have no quarrel with the radio portion."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Preston."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I rise in support of this Motion to concur in Senate... Senate Amendment #2. Public broadcasting brings us excellence in media that we can't otherwise find, at least not to the extent we find it and the regularity with which we find it, in the public broadcasting area. It's an excellent idea to use tax dollars to fund public broadcasting, to encourage public broadcasting, to encourage even experimentation in programming in the public sector, to give some encouragement to people who produce 44  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day June 29, 1985 and put together these programs that in totality are far in excess in decency in quality than to what we find on many of the other commercial networks. And at least that's true as far as the regularity with which we find that kind of programming on the regular networks. We need this funding to show that we can... we support this kind of programming. And the previous speaker talked about his... the offense he takes at seeing frontal nudity. Well, most of us when we get out of the shower see that and our minds haven't yet withered up and gone astray. So, I think... I think that doesn't make much sense. And I think we should support this Motion."

"The Lady from Cook, Representative Pullen."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. A few weeks ago I was rather surprised when listening to a public radio station in Illinois to hear a campaign for funds being conducted using such notable stellar personalities as Jimmy Carter, and then half an hour later Jane Fonda, endorsing the idea of donating to the cause of public radio. I can understand with such tremendous advocates... such popular advocates as those why public radio feels they need tax money, since they would hardly be able to raise individual contributions with that kind of campaign. But I still think that it's wrong. You know, we're not here to do all things for all people and all businesses in Illinois. We are here to do only that which is absolutely necessary for government to do, and the money that we appropriate here is not our money. It is money that is taken from the working men and women of this state, and we should be careful stewards of that money in spending it only on those things that are absolutely necessary, those things that people cannot better do for themselves, although they may be reluctant to give to 45  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASS EMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day June 29, 1985 something that Jimmy Carter and Jane Fonda endorse, yet they do have that opportunity, and that freedom. and that right. And we ought to be, if we believe in this cause, urging people to make those donations. This government does not exist as a charitable institution, or at least it shouldn't, because the monies that go into this government at not voluntary. They are extorted from the people by force, and because of that we should be using them only for the very essentials that they would approve of themselves. I urge a 'no' vote on this concurrence Motion. Thank you."

"The Gentleman from St. Clair, Representative Flinn."

"Enough is enough. I move the previous question."

"The Gentleman moves the previous question. The question is, 'Shall the main question be put?" All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the main question is put. Representative Currie, to close."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker and Members of the House. I think the issue has been well debated. I would remind all of you that the state statutes already provide for a program of direct state support to public television. The substantive accompaniment to House Bill 143 extends that kind of support to public radio. The money we're talking about here is not in fact big bucks. The program was unfunded after the financial crunch in 1981. We're talking these days about building Illinois, about educating Illinois. I can't imagine a better way to make that commitment a real commitment than to see to it that we spend a trifling sum, a little money, on making sure that our cultural institutions, our public radio and public television stations, those that give balanced programming, those that offer, for example, on Channel 11 last week, 46  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASS EMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day June 29, 1985 opportunities for Assistant Minority Leaders in this chamber to view... to be seen statewide explaining their views on a variety of public issues. I can't see a better way that we could make a commitment to build Illinois, build the cultural and educational institutions of the state then to vote 'yes' on the Concurrence Motion on House Bill 143."

"The question is, 'Shall the House concur in Senate Amendments #1 and 2 to House Bill 143?" All those in favor vote 'aye", all those opposed vote 'no". Voting is open. The Gentleman from Jersey, Representative Ryder, one minute to explain your vote."

"Thank you, Madam Chairman. I appreciate the opportunity to explain my vote. We're not talking about little dollars here. We're talking about 5.6 million dollars, and that's money that's coming out of education. That's money that's coming out of the other projects that are worthy. Additionally, those of us in southern Illinois get our public education TV from out of the state, from St. Louis. We're not going to get these dollars. And finally I don't think that those TV stations or those radio stations should be obligated to the State of Illinois for their continuing welfare and their continuing dollars because if ever anyone is going to filter the kinds of things that they say, they're going to be beholding to the state and that's wrong."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Ronan, one minute to explain your vote."

"It doesn't look like it's necessary, Madam Chairman. But after listening to some of the rhetoric from the other side of the aisle, I'm amazed. This is one of the few really productive things we can do for the people of the State of Illinois. Public TV provides a tremendous opportunity for 47  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASS EMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day June 29, 1985 education. It's really the technology that we have to be looking at. In a Session of education reform, we should be on any method of educating not only young people, but all the citizens of the State of Illinois. This is a very important appropriation and makes a lot of sense, and I urge 118 green votes. Thank you very much."

"The Gentleman from Knox, Representative Hawkinson, one minute to explain your vote."

"Thank you... Thank you, Madam Speaker. I'm tempted to vote for this because it is a very productive thing. I'm a strong supporter of public television and public radio. But I would urge you who are voting green to take a look at the possibility that you're being shortsighted and to ask yourself how long after government takes over paying for these programs will government start controlling the content of what we're listening to and what we're watching. And I would urge a red vote."

"The Gentleman from Marion, Representative Dwight Friedrich, one minute to explain your vote."

"Madam Chairman, Members of the House, I wonder why somebody isn't sponsoring public newspapers too. We'd just as well get into the business real good, and we can call them Pravda or Tass or whatever. And someone suggested that this is really an educational matter. What can we do to help education? We can put this five and a half million dollars into the education fund and probably do a lot more for education then we're going to do this way. You might... you downstate people might be reminded that 60 percent of this money is going to Chicago if you think you're going to get the benefit of it."

"The Gent... the Lady from Kane, Representative Zwick, one minute to explain your vote."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. I think I'd simply like to 48  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day June 29, 1985 remind some of you, after the points that have been made earlier, that the alternative to state funding of public broadcasting, since there is not enough money in the private sector to fund it at the appropriate level for the true quality television that we need, would be to go... for public broadcasting to be funded by commercials and by corporations ehich would leave it no longer the kind of quality impartial programming that we're talking about. Public broadcasting should be funded partly by the state. It should be free to remain impartial. And the only way to do that is to... for them to not be totally dependent on big business and corporations so that they can influence the kind of programming that's on there. The state should fund it so that it will remain impartial. Thank you."

"The Lady from DuPage, Representative Cowlishaw."

"Thank... thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Public education needs a strong advocate. I would hope that I will always stand in that position. There are certain educational aspects to public television. But I would remind you of something, it's a good thing that the dialogue on the television stations is spoken and does not have to be read. If it was written on the screen, you would find there is an appalling number of young people in this state who cannot read. And we are taking money away from reading programs in the public schools to support public television. You should be ashamed."

"The Gentleman from Kendall, Representative Hastert, for what reason do you rise?"

"Just ask if this receives the appropriate number, I would like to verify."

"The Gentleman from McLean, Representative Ropp, 49  65th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 29, 1985 one minute to explain your vote."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. I have probably received as many supporters on this issue as anything. But I come from a district that is strong in education, and I too strongly support it. And until we have really addressed the problem that deals with education in our colleges and in our elementary and secondary levels, I'm not willing to support this yet. Public television and public radio should certainly be supported more by the public rather than to let government get involved. We have talked all Session about government becoming too involved in many of our programs. This is certainly another opportunity that we can stay out of."

"The Gentleman from Adams, Representative Mays, one minute to explain your vote."

"Thank you very much, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I think the point that the Spokesman on Appropriation has been trying to make is that we are... we may not have any problem with funding public television. It's just a... the question as to what level we should be doing it. Now, obviously we've gone from zero dollars to 5.6 million as this proposal suggests. There might be some... you know the question is, is that too much, is that enough? The Spokesman has stated that he would like to see this Bill go to Conference so we can discuss the level of funding and see how it all fits into the total budget pie as we try to cut it up in these last few days. So, I would urge a 'no' vote and express that this measure should be debated a little bit further and should go to Conference Committee."

"Representative Dunn, one minute to explain your vote."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the 50  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day June 29, 1985 House. We shouldn't lose sight of the fact that everytime we turn on public television or turn on public radio now we hear that they have fund raising activities much, much more than they used to. The reason is that the federal subsidies which they have enjoyed in the past have been greatly reduced. That's why we're here today. We're here to keep these stations on the air. The Federal Government thought it was a good idea, support them it to begin with. Those subsidies are declining more and more. Those stations need the money. And on behalf of the stations in my... all the stations across the State of Illinois, especially on behalf of WSSR here in Springfield and WILL Radio and Television in Champaign-Urbana, I proudly rise in support of this legislation."

"Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 69 voting 'aye", none voting... 44 voting 'no', and 3 voting 'present'. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional... Excuse me, Representative Hastert asked for a verification. Do you still wish to pursue that? He does. Representative Currie wishes for a Poll of the Absentees. Poll the absentees, Mr. Clerk."

"Poll of the Absentees. DeJaegher and Oblinger."

"Poll the affirmative."

"Alexander. Berrios. Bowman. Braun. Breslin. Brookins. Brunsvold. Bullock. Capparelli. Christensen. Cullerton."

"Representative Keane asks leave to be verified. That is granted." Clerk 0'8rien: "Curran. Currie. DeLeo. Dunn. Farley. Flinn. Flowers. Giglio. Giorgi. Greiman. Hannig. Hartke. Hicks. Homer. Huff. Johnson. Keane. Kirkland. Krska. Kulas. Laurino. Leflore. Leverenz. Levin. Matijevich. 51  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 29, 1985 65th Legislative Day Mautino."

"Representative Homer asks leave to be verified. Representative Hicks and Brookins ask leave to be verified. Is it granted? It is granted."

"McGann. McNamara. McPike. Nash. O'Connell. Panayotovich. Pangle. Phelps. Preston. Rea. Rice. Richmond. Ronan. Saltsman. Satterthwaite. Shaw. Slater. Soliz. Steczo. Stern. Sutker. Terzich. Turner. Van Duyne. Vitek. Washington. White. Holf. Anthony Young. Hyvetter Younge. Zwick. And Mr. Speaker."

"Do you have any questions of the affirmative, Representative Hastert?"

"Yes, Representative..."

"Representative Shaw asks leave to be verified. Excuse me, Representative Shaw."

"I want to vote 'no'."

"Representative Shaw is changing his 'aye' vote to 'no'. Do you have any questions?"

"Yes, can I have the count now, please?"

"There... that would be 68 voting 'aye'."

"Thank you. Representative Braun."

"Representative Braun. The Lady is in the back of the chamber."

"Representative Bullock."

"Representative Bullock. Representative Bullock. Is the Gentleman in the chamber? Remove him."

"Representative DeLeo."

"Representative DeLeo. Representative DeLeo. Is the Gentleman in the chamber? Remove him."

"Representative Farley."

"Representative Farley. The Gentleman is not in the chamber. Remove him."

"Representative Giglio." 52  65th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 29, 1985

"Representative Giglio is in his chair."

"Representative Alexander."

"Excuse me. I can't hear you."

"I'm sorry. Representative Berrios."

"Representative Berrios is in his chair. Representative DeLeo has returned to the chamber. Add him to the Roll Call. You are verified now."

"Representative Huff."

"Representative Huff. Representative Huff. The Gentleman is not in the chamber. Remove him from the Roll Call."

"Representative Johnson."

"Representative Johnson. Representative Johnson. The Gentleman is not in the chamber. Remove him from the Roll Call."

"Representative Laurino."

"Representative Laurino is in the chamber."

"Representative McGann."

"Representative McGann is in the chamber."

"Representative Nash."

"Representative Nash is in his chair."

"Representative Soliz."

"Representative Soliz."

"Yes."

"Representative Soliz. The Gentleman is not in the chamber. Remove him."

"Representative Terzich."

"I'm sorry, I can't hear you."

"Representative Terzich."

"Representative Terzich. Representative Terzich. Is the Gentleman in the chamber? He is not. Remove him from the Roll Call."

"Representative Young." 53  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day

"Representative Young."

"Anthony." June 29, 1985

"Anthony Young is in the chamber."

"Representative Matijevich."

"Representative Matijevich is in the chamber."

"Representative Richmond."

"Representative Richmond is in his chair."

"Did I ask Representative Hicks? I didn't hear it before."

"No, you did not. Representative Hicks. He was given leave to be verified. Representative Terzich has returned to the Roll."

"Could we have a count, please?"

"Add him to the Roll Call. Representative Terzich has returned. You have completed your questions, Representative Hastert?"

"Yes."

"Representative Bullock has returned, and Representative Soliz has... have both returned. Add them to the Roll Call. Representative Piel, for what reason do you rise?"

"Madam Speaker, how am I recorded?"

"You're recorded as voting 'no'."

"Fine. Thank you very much."

"There are 65 voting 'aye', 44 voting 'no', and 3 voting 'present'. Representative Hawkinson, for what reason do you rise?"

"Madam Speaker, how am I recorded?"

"You're recorded as voting 'no'."

"Thank you."

"The Gentleman from Lee, Representative Olson, for what reason do you rise?"

"Madam Speaker..." 54  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day

"You're recorded as voting 'no'."

"Thank you." June 29, 1985

"Representative Parcells, for what reason do you rise?"

"Am I recorded as 'no', Madam Speaker?"

"Yes, you are."

"Thank you."

"And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority... the House does concur in Senate Amendments #1 and 2 to House Bill 143. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. The next Bill is House Bill 418, Representative Capparelli. Out of the record. House Bill 529, Representative Ronan."

"Yes, Madam Speaker, I move to nonconcur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 529. The Senate made a mistake, and we're going to go to a Conference Committee to correct that mistake."

"The Gentleman moves to nonconcur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 529. On the question, the Gentleman from Dewitt, Representative Vinson."

"Madam Speaker, will the Sponsor yield for..."

"He will."

"What was the nature of the mistake that the Senate made?"

"Yes, Representative Vinson, they... they had a drafting error it appears to me."

"Well, what was the nature of that drafting error?"

"Well, the appropriation that we sent over calls for 5 million dollars, and the appropriation they sent back called for a dollar. So, I assume it's just a drafting error that we're going... We were going to clear it up in Enrolling and Engrossing, but we decided to do it through a 55  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 29, 1985 65th Legislative Day Conference Committee Report."

"Representative, is it my understanding that if... if you were to concur in this you would save the state 4,999,000 dollars then?"

"The way it looks to me, this is just a technical error that came out of the Senate and rather than go to Enrolling and Engrossing, we'll do it in Conference Committee."

"Madam Speaker, to the Bill."

"Proceed."

"I would oppose the Gentleman's Motion. I would ask for a Roll Call, and I would urge the Assembly to look at this carefully. If we vote 'no' on the Gentleman's Motion, it's perhaps the one time in the course of the Session that on a single vote you'll have the opportunity to save the people of Illinois 4,999,999 dollars. It's a unique opportunity, and I would urge a 'no" vote."

Speaker Breslin: "There being no further discussion the question is, Shall the House nonconcur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 529?* All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no". Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? This takes a simple majority to pass. Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 64 voting 'aye', 47 voting "no", 2 voting 'present'. And the Motion... Representative Braun wishes to vote 'aye'. There are 65 voting "aye", 47 voting "no", and 2 voting 'present'. And the House does nonconcur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 529. And a Conference Committee will be appointed. House Bill 530. Excuse me. Mr. Clerk, would you... Messages from the Senate."

"A Message from the Senate by Mr. Wright, Secretary. "Mr. Speaker, I am directed to inform the House of Representatives the Senate has refused to concur with the 56  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day June 29, 1985 House in the adoption of the Amendments to the following Bills; Senate Bills 480, 134, 145, 167, 174, 175, 403, 449, 452, 459, 460, 464, 568, 470, 473, 475, 476, 483,387, 458, 472, 467, and 453, action taken by the Senate June 28, 1985. Kenneth Wright, Secretary.."

"A Calendar announcement."

"Supplemental I to the House Calendar is now being distributed."

"House Bill 530, Representative Leverenz."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I'd move to concur with Senate Amendment 1 to House Bill 530. It makes a reduction of 80,800 dollars to the ordinary and contingent expenses of the State Board of Elections. I ask for your 'aye vote."

"The Gentleman moves to concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 530. Is there any discussion? Hearing none the question is, 'Shall the House concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bil1 530?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. This is final passage. Have all voted who wish? Have al1 voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 116 voting 'aye', none voting 'no', and none voting present'. And the House does concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 530. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 569. Out of the record. House Bill 583, Representative woodyard."

"Thank you. Madam Speaker. I would move to concur with Senate Amendments 1, 3, and 4 on the Secretary of State's OCE. The Senate Amendment #1 reduced the appropriation Bill by 1,189,000. Senate Amendment 3 was a technical change only. And Senate Amendment 4 restored 617,800 dollars to the appropriation. And I would move to concur." 57  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day Speaker June 29, 1985

"The Gentleman moves to concur in Senate Amendments #1, 3, and 4 to House Bill 583. Is there any discussion? Hearing none the question is, 'Shall the House concur in Senate Amendments #1, 3 and 4 to House Bill 583? All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. This is final action. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 110 voting 'aye', 3 voting 'no' and none voting 'present'. And the House does concur in Senate Amendments #1, 3, and 4 to House Bill 583. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 641, Representative Richmond."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I move to concur with Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 641. The Bill originally... this is just a technical language Amendment that the Bill originally had it... the funding coming out of GRF, and it restores that to read Capital Development Fund. I ask for favorable consideration."

"The Gentleman has moved to concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 641. Is there any discussion? Hearing none the question is, 'Shall the House concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 641?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. This is final passage. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 109 voting 'aye', 4 voting 'no', and 1 voting 'present'. And the House does concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 641. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 651, Representative Barnes."

"Take that out of the record for the moment." 58  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day

Speaker Breslin: "Out of the record. Representative Barnes."

"I would like to take my appropriation June 29, 1985 House Bill 652, Bills, all of them, out of the record for just a moment, please."

"Very good. We're skipping down to House Bill 659, Representative Hastert."

"Take it out of the record."

"Explain who the appropriation... okay. Out of the record. House Bill 660, Representative Hastert."

"Out of the record."

"Out of the record. On page 4 on your Calendar, appears House Bill 661, Representative Hastert."

"Out of the record."

"House Bill 663, Representative Hastert."

"Out of the record."

"House Bill 664, Representative Hastert."

"Out of the record."

Speaker Breslin: "House Bill 665. Representative Barnes has all of the rest of them. Do you still want those out of the record, Representative Barnes? Okay. House Bill 665, 666, 667, 668, and 669, and 6... 670, and 671 are out of the record. Representative Hastert, 672? Out of the record. House Bill 673, Representative Barnes. Out of the record. The Lady wants all of her Bills out of the record. House Bill 674. Out of the record. House Bill 676. Out of the record. Representative Hastert on 678."

"And 679 an 683 out of the record, please."

"You wish them all out of the record. and 683. Out of the Representative Cullerton. record. House Excuse me. 678, 679, Bill 693, Representative Leverenz, for what reason do you rise?" Speaker, I have my name as a hyphenated Chief

"Now, Sponsor." 59  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 29, 1985 65th Legislative Day

"Representative, proceed."

"I would move to concur with Senate Amendment #1. It reduces the appropriation by a million dollars, from 3 million down to 2 million."

"The Gentleman has moved to concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 693. Is there any discussion? The Lady from Cook, Representative Pullen."

"Since this is final passage, I wonder whether the Gentleman would explain to the House what the Bill is."

"Representative Leverenz."

"I'm very sorry I didn't do that. It's the State's Attorney Appellate Service Commission, that which we discussed the substantive Bill yesterday, and it goes to Cook County and for appellate services by the state's attorney."

"Did you say this is an appropriation to the Cook County State's Attorney's Office for their Appellate Division?"

"It goes through the County Board, and it's the reimbursement for appellate services."

"And that's for Cook County, right?"

"That is correct."

"And this Amendment would leave the Bill in final form at 2 million dollars?"

"That's correct."

"Thank you."

"The Gentleman From DeWitt, Representative Vinson, on the question."

"Yes, Madam Speaker, we took 5 million dollars away from education a few minutes ago and put it into public radios. Now, we're proposing to take 2 million dollars away from education and to give it to Richie Daley. I think that's a mistake. The people of this state, whether they're farmers, whether they're Hispanics, whether they're black, 60  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day whether June 29, 1985 they're white, whether they're suburbanites, whether they're downstaters, or whether they're Chicagoans, want to properly fund education. Now, you can't properly fund education if you're not going to put the money into it. And you're not going to put the money into it if you're going to spend it on everything else willy-nilly that everybody has got a good idea for. If you're going to spend it on education, then you're not going to spend it on these other things. Here's a good test of whether you really care about education. I would urge a 'no' vote."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Cullerton."

"Yes. Thank you, Madam Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This is a Bill which we have debated in the past and which we have overwhelmingly supported. The action of the Senate was to reduce... was to reduce the appropriation by a million dollars. So, if you voted to appropriate the money for 3 million and voted against appropriating only 2 million, it seems to me that that would be somewhat of an inconsistent vote. Now, the fact of the matter is that all other counties are to receive the services for free. The state already pays for them. This is just an effort to reimburse the County of Cook for the same expenses. The Senate reduced the amount of money by a million dollars. The total is 2 million. It has nothing to do with taking money away from education. And that's... I think... I don't... I can't imagine anyone really believing that. I talked to many Republicans about this Bill who have come from Cook County, and I think that I made my point. That to the extent that the County of Cook gets it's fair share of money from the state, there will be less of an intent... intentions on their part to raise their taxes. And the County of Cook when they need 61  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASS EMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day June 29, 1985 money they can't raise an income tax, so they raise the sales tax. And they raise sin taxes. And those adversely affect those of you who represent the collar part of Cook County which generally speaking tend to be Republicans. So, I did go on and talk to all the Republicans from Cook County. I pointed out to them that this is something which would have the affect of definitely helping their constituents. And it's not an unfair or unjust request. It's a request that... that says that we should be treated the same way as the other... the other counties. And..."

"The question is, "Shall the House concur in Senate Amendment al to House Bill 693?" All those in favor vote 'aye", all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. This is final passage. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 64 voting 'aye', 49 voting 'no', and none voting 'present'. Representative Pullen, for what reason do you rise? Representative Pullen."

"I request a verification please, Madam Speaker."

"The Lady requests a verification. Representative Leverenz requests a Poll of the Absentees. Representative Ronan, for what reason do you rise?"

"Madam Speaker, I want leave to be verified."

"May the Gentleman have leave, Representative Pullen? Yes, you may have leave. Representative Stern requests to be voted 'aye'. Stern. Representative Laurino asks leave to be verified. Does the Gentleman have leave? Laurino. Yes. The Gentleman has leave. Proceed, Mr. Clerk."

"Poll of the Absentees. DeJaegher."

"Excuse me. Representative Huff and Shaw ask leave to be verified. May they be verified, Representative Pullen? Yes. Yes, they have leave. Proceed, Mr. Clerk." 62  65th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 29, 1985

"DeJaegher."

"Representative LeFlore now asks leave to be verified. May he be verified? Yes. Yes, the Gentleman has leave. Proceed. Representative Levin asks leave to be verified. May the Gentleman have leave? Yes, he may have leave. Proceed. Mr. Clerk."

"Poll of the Absentees. DeJaegher. Satterthwaite. Wait. Hyvetter Younge."

"Hyvetter Younge votes 'aye'. Poll of the Affirmative."

"Poll of the Affirmative. Alexander. Berrios. Bowman. Braun. Brookins. Bullock. Capparelli. Christensen. Cullerton. Curran. Currie. DeLeo. Didrickson. Dunn. Farley. Flinn. Flowers."

"Representative Braun asks leave to be verified and Representative Younge, Hyvetter Younge, ask leave to be verified. May they be verified? Representatives Braun and Younge. Just nod your head. May they be verified? Yes. I said Wyvetter Younge. Yes, they may be verified. You have leave. Proceed, Mr. Clerk."

"Continuing with the Poll of the Affirmative. Giglio. Giorgi. Greiman. Hannig. Hicks. Huff. Johnson. Keane. Kirkland. Krska. Kubik. Kulas. Laurino. LeFlore. Leverenz. Levin. Matijevich. Mautino. McAuliffe. McGann. McNamara. Mc Pike."

"Representative Didrickson, for what reason do you rise?"

"Please record my 'aye' vote to be a 'no' vote, please."

"The Lady changes her vote from 'aye' to 'no'. Representative Didrickson. Proceed, Mr. Clerk."

"McNamara. Mc Pike. Nash. O'Connell. Panayotovich." 63  65th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE Speaker Breslin: "Representative... Excuse me. Representative Brookins asks leave to be verified. They have leave."

"Representative Brookins?"

"Yes."

"Yes." June 29, 1985

"Continuing with the Poll of the Affirmative. Panayotovich. Piel. Preston. Rea. Regan. Rice. Richmond. Ronan. Saltsman. Shaw. Soliz. Steczo. Stern. Sutker. Terzich. Turner. Van Duyne. Vitek. Washington. White. Williamson. Wolf. Anthony Young. Wyvetter Younge. And Mr. Speaker."

"Do you have any questions of the Affirmative Roll?"

"What is the count please, Madam Speaker?"

"Mr. Clerk. There are 66 voting 'aye' and 50 voting 'no'."

"Thank you. Representative Bullock."

"Representative Bullock. Representative Bullock. Is the Gentleman in the chamber? Remove him from the Roll Call. The Gentleman has returned to the chamber. Add him to the Roll Call."

"Is Representative Currie here?"

"Excuse me, the Clerk corrects the count. There were only 65 voting 'aye'."

"Thank you. Representative Currie."

"Representative Currie. Representative Currie. The Lady is not in the chamber. Remove her."

"Representative Dunn. Oh, I see him."

"Representative Dunn is in the chamber."

"Representative Farley."

"Representative Farley. Is the Gentleman in the chamber? Representative Farley. Remove Representative Farley's vote." 64  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day

"Representative Greiman."

"Representative Greiman. June 29, 1985 Representative Greiman is in the Governor's Office as previously stated on the floor. Representative... Excuse me."

"I'm wondering why he's voting that, Madam Speaker." Speaker Breslin: 'aye". "Because he wished to be recorded as voting Representative Currie has returned to the chamber. Add her to the Roll Call. Representative Greiman has been removed from the Roll Call." Pullen: Speaker "Representative Hicks."

"Representative Hicks. Representative Hicks. How is the Gentleman recorded?"

"The Gentleman is recorded as voting 'aye","

"Remove him." Pullen: n: "Representative Johnson."

"Representative Johnson. Representative Johnson. Is the Gentleman in the chamber? He is not. Remove him from the Roll Call."

"Representative Keane."

"Representative Keane. Pullen: Representative Is the Gentleman in the chamber? He is not. Keane. Remove him from the Roll Call. Representative Greiman has returned to the chamber. Add him to the Roll Call." "I'm sorry, Madam Speaker, I did not hear Representative Keane because Representative..." you about

"He was removed from the Roll Call. Proceed."

"Thank you. Representative Kulas."

"Representative Kulas. Representative Kulas is in the chamber."

"Representative Hautino."

"Representative Mautino is in the chamber." Pullen: en: "Representative Curran."

Speaker Breslin "Representative Curran. Representative Curran. 65  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day June 29, 1985 Is the Gentleman in the chamber? Add him to the Roll Call. Representative Sutker, for what reason do you rise?"

"Verified leave."

"Representative Sutker asks leave to be verified. Does he have leave?"

"Yes, but, Madam Speaker, when you talked about Representative Curran, did you find him in the chamber? You indicated that he should be added to the Roll Call, and he's on it. If he's not on the Roll Call... in the chamber..."

"Excuse me. The Gentleman is not in the chamber. Remove him from the Roll Call."

"Thank you."

"And Representative Sutker has asked leave to be verified. Does he have leave?"

"I gave him that leave."

"He has leave."

"Representative..."

"Representative Dunn and Bowman ask for the same courtesy."

"Representative Dunn has already been verified, and Representative Bowman will have leave."

"Representative Bowman has leave."

"May I proceed?"

"Proceed."

"Representative Rea."

"Representative Rea is in his chair."

"Representative Richmond."

"The Gentleman is in his chair."

"Representative Satterthwaite."

"The Lady is in her chair."

"Representative..."

"And is not voting besides." 66  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day

"Oh, I'm sorry. Excuse me. Representative Steczo."

"The Gentleman is in his chair."

"Representative Tony Young."

"The Gentleman is in his chair."

"Representative Hannig."

"Representative Hannig. Representative Hannig. Is the Gentleman in the chamber? He is not. Remove him. Representative Keane has returned to the chamber. Add him to the Roll Call."

"No further questions."

"Representative Curran has returned to the chamber. Add him to the Roll Call."

"No further questions, Madam Speaker."

"The Lady has no further questions. Representative Hannig has returned to the chamber. Add him to the Roll Call. On this question, there are 62 voting 'aye', 50 voting 'no', and none voting 'present'. And the House does concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 693. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 721, Representative Leverenz."

"Am I the Sponsor?"

"You're a hyphenated Sponsor."

"On House Bill 721, the appropriation for the Office of the State Appellate Defender. I would move to concur with Senate Amendment #1 and Senate Amendment #2. Senate Amendment #1 reduces the appropriation by 124,100 in General Revenue. And Senate Amendment #2 restores 35,400 in personal services, and 62,100 for the hiring lag and turnover, and the appropriate amount for retirement and Social Security. I now move to concur in Senate Amendment #1 and 2 on House Bill 721."

"The Gentleman moves to concur in Senate 67  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day June 29, 1985 Amendments #1 and 2 to House Bill 721. Is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Marion, Representative Friedrich."

"A question, Madam Speaker."

"State your question."

"Representative Leverenz, my readout here says that #2 reduces contractual services. You said it increases it?"

"Mine doesn't."

"The question is, 'Shall the House concur in Senate Amendments #1 and 2 to House Bill 721?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. This is final action. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 113 voting 'aye', none voting 'no', and none voting 'present'. And the House concur in Senate Amendments #1 and 2 to House Bill 721. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 947, Representative Leverenz."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. On House Bill 947, I would move to concur with Senate Amendment #1. This is the budget for the Attorney General. I'll tell you what it does in a second."

"The Gentleman has moved to concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 947. Is there any discussion? Hearing none the question is, 'Shall the House concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 947?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. This is final passage. Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 115 voting 'aye', none voting 'no', and none voting 'present'. And the House does concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 947. And this Bill, having received the 66  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day June 29, 1985 Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 993, Representative Steczo."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. I move to nonconcur with Amendment #1... Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 993. This is the appropriation for general state aid, and these items are still being negotiated. So, in... So, to get this Bill to Conference Committee, I would ask that the House nonconcur."

"The Gentleman moves to nonconcur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 993. Is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Dewitt, Representative Vinson."

"Yes, Madam Speaker, will the Gentleman yield for a question?"

"He will."

"Representative, what did the underlying Bill deal with?"

"The appropriation, Representative Vinson, for general state aid payments, summer school payments, and for payments... extraordinary other payments in terms of reconsolidation, etcetera."

"And what does the Senate Amendments do to the Bill?"

"The Senate Amendment added 12,000 dollars for... I believe it's 12,000 dollars to... with respect to the legislation that we passed on consolidations with respect to fund balance deficits as per information given to them by the State Board of Education."

"So, in effect, what the entire Bill deals with is school district assistance."

"This Bill deals with school district assistance in terms of general state aid and other matters. Yes, that is correct."

"Is your intention to take it back to Conference Committee to reduce it by the 5 million dollars that was ripped off for public television and the 2 million dollars 69  65th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 29, 1985 that was ripped off for Richie Daley. Is that what you have to do?"

"Representative Vinson, generally at the end of the Session periodically there's enough for everybody, and..."

"There is?"

"And... As I had indicated these... this matter is under negotiation at the present time, and this is the vehicle which we hope will make the people who are interested in education happy."

"Can you do that without that 7 million that's been ripped off?"

"We're negotiating that now, Representative Vinson."

"I... to the Bill. I certainly do not oppose the Gentleman's Motion. I understand that after that 7 million has been ripped off out of the General Revenue Fund, out of the budget, for these other special purposes. radio stations, and TV stations, and the Cook County State's Attorney that it's difficult to figure out where the money from education is going to come from. Now, I understand the Gentleman may have to take the Bill back to Conference Committee and reduce what we're giving schools because of those rip offs. So, I don't oppose the Gentleman's Motion to take it back to Conference Committee to try to cut education to satisfy the special interests."

"The question is, 'Shall the House nonconcur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 993?' All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. And the House nonconcurs in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 993, and requests a Conference Committee. House Bill 1011, Representative Matijevich."

"Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I move to concur with Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 1011. 70  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE .65th Legislative Day June 29, 1985 This is an appropriation to the State Police Merit Board. It is a cut of 39,900 dollars. And I would move to concur with that Senate Amendment #1."

"The Gentleman moves to concur with Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 1011. Is there any discussion? Hearing none the question is, Shall the House concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 1011? All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote "no". Voting is open. This is on the Order of Concurrence. Mr. Clerk, change the board please. Concurrence. Have all voted who wish? This is final action. The Clerk will take the record. On this question there are lll voting 'aye", none voting 'no', and 1 voting 'present'. And the House does concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 1011. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 1070, Representative Matijevich."

"Yes, Madam Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, House Bill 1070 is the appropriation to the State Board of Education. And I now move to nonconcur with Senate Amendments 1, 2, 4, 5, 6, and 7 to House Bill 1070. The purpose for that Motion is that this Bill does have to go to a Conference Committee. So, I would so move to nonconcur."

"The Gentleman moves that the House nonconcur in Senate Amendments #1, 2, 4, 5, 6, and 7. Is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Dewitt, Representative Vinson."

"Yes, will the Sponsor yield for a question?"

"He will."

"Proceed."

"Representative, what does this Bill deal with?"

"Education."

"Education?" 71  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day

"That's it, Sam." June 29, 1985

"Is it your purpose to take this back to Conference to try to cut 7 million dollars out of it, because we spent it on those rip offs?"

"No. My purpose is that the decision on education is finally being reached, but we have to wait for that final agreement which I know you're involved in. And I wouldn't want to do anything until I find out that Sam Vinson has made a final decision."

"And aren't we kind of in a posture where the... because the education decision is made after some of these other decisions, that we have less money to spend on

"Sam, in the words till it's over.." education?" of Yogi Berra, "It ain't over,

"Well, some of those are already over, unfortunately, and I just wish we had that money to spend on education. And I'm sure you do too, John."

"You'll get all you need."

"The question is, Shall the House nonconcur in Senate Amendments #1, 2, 4, 5, 6, and 7 to House Bill 1070?' All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'nay. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes have it. And the House does nonconcur in Senate Amendment #1, 2, 4, 5, 6, and 7 to House Bill 1070, and a Conference Committee is requested. House Bill 1097, Representative Matijevich."

"Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, 1097 is the appropriation for the courts in Illinois. I would move to nonconcur with Senate Amendments #1, 3, and 6. I'm going to concur with 4 and 5. 1 and 6 are deep cuts that the Supreme Court cannot withstand, because there are mandatory salaries, for example, that they have to pay. I'm hoping that the Senate will... will recede. I doubt it, but I at least want to make the effort. So, I now move 72  65th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 29, 1985 to nonconcur with Senate Amendments 1, 3, and 6 to House Bill 1097."

"The Gentleman moves to nonconcur in Senate Amendments #1, 3, and 6 to House Bill 1097. Is there any discussion? Hearing none the question is, 'Shall the House nonconcur in Senate Amendments #1, 3, and 6 to House Bill 1097?' All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. And the House does nonconcur in Senate Amendments #1, 3, and 6. The Gentleman now moves to concur in Senate Amendments #4 and 5 to House Bill 1097. All those... Is there any discussion? Hearing none the question is, 'Shall the House concur in Senate Amendments #4 and 5 to House Bill 1097?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. This is final passage. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 116 voting 'aye', 2 voting 'no', and none voting 'present'. And the House does concur in Senate Amendments #4 and 5 to House Bill 1097. House Bill 1247, Representative Leverenz."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. I would move to concur in the Senate Amendment #2... I'm sorry, Senate Amendment #1. I don't know which is... I don't know which is right. The Calendar, or my score card and my analysis."

"Mr. Clerk, can you tell me how many Senate Amendments there are?"

"This says two. This said one. Anyway, I will explain that we want to pass the Bill, as it has now 1,855,000 dollars appropriated to the State Comptroller for the development and implementation of a distributive financial accounting and reporting system, sometimes known as GAP, or it replaces... Whatever the Senate happened to do, whether 73  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day June 29, 1985 it was 1 or 2, I think they pulled 1 and went with 2..."

"There is only one Senate Amendment, so we are going to assume that it is Senate Amendment #1. And the Gentleman has moved to concur with Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 1247. Is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall the House concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 1247?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. This is final passage. Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 113 voting 'aye', none voting 'no', and none voting 'present'. And the House does concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 1247. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 2240, Representative Madigan - Leverenz. It appears on page eight on your Calendar."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I would move to concur with Senate Amendment #1 which increases the appropriation 946,000 dollars making it a total of 18,336,600 for the General Assembly's ordinary contingent expense."

"The Gentleman has moved that the House concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2040. Representative Vinson, for what reason do you interrupt?"

"Madam Speaker, I don't believe the Gentleman is the Sponsor of the Bill."

"The Gentleman asks leave to present the Bill."

"Madam Speaker, we would object to that."

"Representative Vinson, the Chair has allowed other Members..."

"Madam Speaker, the Minority Leader has asked... has... who is the Sponsor of the Bill, has asked that the Bill be taken out of the record." 74  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 29, 1985 65th Legislative Day

"The Minority Leader has made the same request so that other Members from your side of the aisle could present Bills for him, and that has always been granted. However, if you persist in this... in this vein, we can certainly file a written Motion so that Representative Leverenz can proceed with the Bill."

"I persist."

"Representative Greiman in the Chair. Representative Daniels, for what reason do you rise?"

"Would you take that Bill out of the record, please?"

"No, I will not. Representative Greiman is in the Chair."

"Mr. Clerk, would you check to see whether the light at that desk where the noise is happening is working? Just check and see if the light is working. Yes, the Gentleman from DuPage, Minority Leader Daniels. Sir, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"

"First, Mr. Greiman, it is June 29 and let's not start the action. Let's not start trying to ramrod your activities through this General Assembly. So, if you think that you're going to start ignoring the Members on this side of the aisle, you got another thought coming. Secondly, as the Chief Sponsor of 2240, I want you to take that matter out of the record. And I am a Chief Sponsor of that, Sir, and you know that. And I ask that be taken out of the record."

"I'm looking at the records now. You're a joint Chief Sponsor of that, and..."

"That is correct, Sir. And if Mr. Madigan wants to handle the Bill personally..."

"If he wishes to handle it or to make such other arrangements..."

"No, Sir. He does not have the authority to..." 75  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day June 29, 1985

"Well, that's for the Chair to rule. That's for the Chair to rule on, and the Chair is not yet prepared to rule on it. I have just come up on this podium, and I'm making inquiry with the Parliamentarian as to what the issue is as well as the ruling. Yes, Mr. Daniels."

"I suggest, Sir, that you be real careful of your activities now. If you get in the Chair, and you want to start ramming things through, and you want to start trying to run things as they do in the city council, if that's what you want to do, Sir, we're prepared for it. We'll respond to your every action and your every move. It's late in the Session. We have a lot of work that has to be done. So, please, please, in order to get this thing moving. in order so we can move the business of the people of Illinois, please watch your actions, Sir, carefully."

"Mr. Daniels, I don't know much about the city council. I come From Skokie. We have a six man village board, but I do appreciate the suggestion. I will watch out carefully. Excuse me now, I will be consulting with the Parliamentarian, and we'll be back with you, Mr. Daniels. Thank you, Sir. Mr. Leverenz, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"

"Two inquiries of the Chair. I didn't know they asked for a Republican Caucas on the other side there. But, however, what I would like to know is if I can withdraw my slip on the little pool on what time we're going to shut down. inasmuch as all of the Republican Bills have been taken out of the record, and it simply delays us. And I've got a real early out time. And I think I'm worried now."

"Mr. Tate, for what purpose do you... seeking recognition?"

"Well, thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would just like to agree with you, because certainly I know that you're not a member 76  65th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 29, 1985 of the Skokie City Council because the Skokie City Council rejected the gun proposal that they entertained. And that certainly doesn't reflect your voting record."

"Mr. Daniels, for what purpose are you seeking recognition?"

"Mr. Speaker, I am going to ask, based upon a report that has just been brought to my desk that is contained in the Chicago Sun-Times, today's issue, regarding McCormick Place and alleged contracts at McCormick Place to a Member of this House totally 741,000 dollars. And Mr. Speaker, I am going to ask for immediate consideration of two Resolutions, House Resolution 573, for an audit of McCormick Place, and a House Resolution for a criminal investigation of McCormick Place. And I ask, Mr. Speaker, that you go to the immediate order of taking from the table House Bill 1454 so we can hear that immediately. So we can stop this abuse, and this apparent mismanagement of taxpayers funds to McCormick Place. Mr. Speaker, I demand an immediate action. Immediate action. And I want to know, Sir, what you're going to do about it."

"Mr. Daniels. Mr. Daniels, first I'm going to tell the first aid station to be prepared with blood pressure pills. Some salt pills for you. That's the first thing I'm going to do. The second thing, I don't... we're not on the Order of newspaper articles right now. I thought I had actually recognized you to discuss... Mr. Daniels. Mr. Daniels. Mr. Daniels, I'm going to run the House in an orderly, sane way. That's what I'm going to do. Mr. Daniels, you raised a question as to whether the... you wanted it out of the record. The Chair isn't ruling on it, but we will go to a new Order of Business at this time. On the Order of State and Local Government, Concurrences, Special Call, appears House Bill 792, Mr. 77  65th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE McPike. Mr. McPike. Out of the record. you want to recede with 792? Alright. June 29, 1985 Mr. McPike, did Out of the record Mr. Alright. Now, for 792. On the Order... Well, goodness gracious. Mc Pike. The Chair recognizes Mr. McPike. McPike: everyone, the TV people have all come. Now you can all be as bizarre as you like. Mr. McPike. The Chair recognizes Mr. McPike, the Majority Leader." "Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The original Bill required LRB to provide that the computerized..."

"Mr. McPike. Mr. McPike."

"Yes."

"Excuse me. 1... For what purpose does the Gentleman from OuPage seek recognition? Is this a point of Order?"

"I'm calling... I am calling for an immediate Republican Conference. It will take 45 minutes in Room 118, Mr. Speaker. Immediate Conference."

"Well, we're... we will always grant it, of course..."

"Thank you."

"... And we certainly would grant it, but we have to finish this Bill first as a courtesy to this Gentleman. Now, it would be improper. Oh, Mr. Vinson, we'll get to you later. Mr. McPike, proceed, Sir. Excuse me. We want to make that two cots in the nurses station. One for Mr. Vinson. Mr. Vinson, do you rise on a point of Order, Sir?"

"Yes."

"You rise on a... What is your point, Sir?"

"Mr. Speaker, the Gentleman from Dupage presented a Motion to the Chair. The Motion was to go..."

"I didn't recognize him for that purpose. I understand what he did, and you heard my ruling, and that 78  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day June 29, 1985 is my ruling. And now we will go to Mr. McPike, the Majority Leader. On the Order of Concurrences, 722... 792. Mr.... Mr. McPike, I hope this isn't directed at you, all this noise. You're a fine fellow."

"I think it is. I think it is. The Bill is not that controversial. It passed out of the House with no opposition. It simply allowed the LRB to provide computer memory banks to those that were available to provide it. And the Senate added the Administrators' Procedures Act to that. So, I would move that the House concur Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 792."

"The Gentleman from Madison, Mr. McPike, moves the House do concur in Senate Amendments #1 to House Bill 792. And on that question is there any discussion? Miss Pullen, did you wish to discuss that issue, or rise on some other point?"

"Mr. Speaker, before you went to this Order of Business, I was seeking recognition to move pursuant to Rule 74(d) to suspend the rules... the provisions of Rule 74(a) so that I may put my Motion with respect to Senate Bill 1454, McCormick Place reform, to consider that immediately."

"Probably not timely. Now, we'll get to all this. You know, excuse me. Excuse me. Let... Now look... Now, now look, you know, Speaker or the temporary Speaker is trying to give you respect, and I expect that you'll do the same. Now, if you wish... if you wish for... you know... you know, Mr. Daniels... you know, Mr. Daniels, if you'd only play your cards right, you could do this live on the 6:00 news tonight rather than now. Now, I have... I have... I have ruled on this matter, and I'm in the midst of a Roll Call. If you wish to speak on this issue, I will recognize you. If you do not, then I will hold you out of order. Now, we have Mr.... now there's a whole group of 79  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day June 29, 1985 people there. We can let you. You know, I've always thought we should just turn on all your microphones and just let you ramble on, but we're not going to do that. I'm going to do that. Mr. Cullerton, on the Bill."

"Yes. Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I really don't think that this is that controversial a Bill. The Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 792 changes the title to An Act to make available to the public and governmental agencies the computerized text of the Illinois statutes and the administrative rules and regulations of state agencies'. Admittedly, it's a long title, but it accurately describes what's in the Bill. The Amendment also amends Section 5.08 of the Legislative Information System Article of the General Assembly Chapter by deleting a portion of the Section which required, until October 1, 1984, the supplying of copies of the complete text of rules adopted under, quote, 'the Illinois Administrative Procedure Act', closed quote, to the Governor, the Secretary of State, the General Assembly, JCAR, agencies of State Government, and the Cook County Law Library. The Amendment then provides that the system, upon consultation with the Secretary of State, shall make available for sale - and here's the important part of the Amendment - make available for sale to the public or to governmental entities or agencies the computerized text of the rules adopted under the Illinois Administrative Procedures Acts. So, basically what was once provided free of charge to the above entities shall now according to this Amendment be available for sale. This could provide more money for education which we have been very concerned about in the last few hours. And I think basically it's a good Senate Amendment. I think it improves the Bill. And I think if we would be in... of the mood to concur with this 80  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day June 29, 1985 Amendment, that we would send it to the Governor and I think the Governor would probably sign it. So, for those reasons, I would speak in favor of the Gentleman's Motion."

"The question is, "Shall the House concur in Senate Amendment #1?* All in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is now open, and this is final action. On this question, there are 69 voting 'aye... 70 voting 'aye, 13 voting 'no", 4 voting 'present. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Mr. Friedrich, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"

"I move we have a recess for 45 minutes for the purpose of Republican Conference in Room 118."

"I think, Mr. Friedrich, that that's a fine idea. The Minority Leader has made that request and, of course, the Chair always wishes to oblige the Minority Leader. And so, therefore, we will return here at the hour of 1:00. 1:00. There is a Conference, 45 minutes, Room 118. Republican Conference. Democrats may have lunch. Thank you very much. Appreciate your cooperation. The House will be in... will be in order. On the Order of Concurrences - State and Local Government, appears House Bill 1847. The Lady from Cook, Miss Currie."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. I move the House do concur in Senate Amendment 1 to House Bill 1847. The Bill itself clarifies the payment of taxes due to assessor error eliminating penalties if those are not appropriate. We amended the Bill in the House to delete certain language having to do with state taxing authority. The Senate made a slight change in that Amendment, and... because of some outstanding bond obligations. I'm happy to answer questions, and I would encourage your support."

"The Lady from Cook, Miss Currie, moves that the 81  65th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 29, 1985 House do concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 1847. And on that is there any discussion? The Gentleman from DuPage, Mr. McCracken."

"Pursuant to Rule 55(d) I demand an Oral Verified Roll Call on this Motion, and ask 10 people to join me therein."

"You don't have ten, Tom. Alright, now you have ten. Miss Currie... Yes, you want to take that out of the record, Miss Currie?"

"Terrific."

"Alright, we'll take that out of the record. Mr. Daniels, the Gentleman from DuPage, for what purpose do you seek recognition, Sir?"

"If, Sir, within your discretion as you have, you had recognized me for the purpose of moving immediately to consider House Resolution 573, House Resolution 629 and to take from the table Senate Bill 1454. Motions have been filed in writing, Sir."

"Yes. I will recognize you. Are you the Sponsor of all of those?"

"I am the Sponsor of the Motion, Sir."

"No. No. Are you the Sponsor of all of those Bills?"

"I am the Sponsor of the two Resolutions, and Representative Pullen is the Sponsor of Senate Bill 1454."

"Alright. I will recognize you for that purpose, Mr. Daniels. Mr. Daniels moves that the House now consider... what were those?"

"House Resolution 573 and House Resolution 629. House Resolution 573, as you know, Mr. Speaker, deals with the request of the General Assembly to ask Mr. Robert Cronson, the Auditor General of the State of Illinois, to conduct and audit of the..."

"Well, I understand. We'll... we'll just put 82  65th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 29, 1985 the Motion and I just wanted to get the numbers on the Motion."

"Alright. I'11..."

"We have 573, 269 and..."

"573 and 629. And 629 deals with the investigation of McCormick Place."

"Alright. The Gentleman from DuPage, Mr. Daniels, has moved that the House go to the Order... consider on the Order of Speaker's Table, House Resolutions 573 and 629. Mr. McPike."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would move for a division of the Motion so that we can vote on each Motion separately."

"Alright. The Gentleman is within his rights. Accordingly, all those in favor of moving to the Order... to allowing to take... to consider House Resolution 573, say 'aye", those opposed "no". In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. Mr. Clerk, House Resolution 573."

"House Resolution 573..."

"Mr. Daniels."

"Yes, Sir. We haven't..."

"Yes. Excuse me. Mr. Cullerton, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"

"Point of order. I just wondered if this Resolution has been printed and distributed?"

"573, we'll find out. Mr. Cullerton. Mr. Cullerton, the House is prepared a Rule on your... on your Motion... on your suggestion with respect to the fact that the... that it is apparent that the Resolution has not been printed and has not been distributed. Under Rule 43, Resolutions, unless there's suspension of this Rule, could not be considered by the Body unless they were printed and distributed. So, that they would not be able at this time 83  65th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 29, 1985 to be considered, Mr. Daniels. Mr.... I note that Mr. Madigan, Speaker Madigan, is seeking recognition. For what purpose do you rise, Mr. Madigan?"

"To move to suspend the provisions of that Rule to give Mr. Daniels his opportunity before the TV cameras."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Speaker Madigan, moves that the House suspend Rule 43 so that House Resolution 573 may be heard at this time notwithstanding the fact that it has not been printed or distributed. And on that, is there any discussion? Mr. Daniels, did you want to discuss that?"

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, since you are somebody that is not used to media, I'll make you an offer. I'll move to suspend the rule and have the light turned off so that you won't fear about any negative publicity from the TV cameras. Turn the light off, and let's go down and finish the business of the House. Since you make that offer, I'll take you up on that, Sir. If that's what you want, if you're fearful of that."

"Mr. Daniels, the Chair would have to tell you that we don't have that light rule anymore. We changed that a couple of years ago. Mr. Madigan, are you seeking recognition?"

"Simply to tell Mr. Daniels that he need not fear for me."

"Further discussion on the Rule? Mr. Friedrich. This is... we're discussing Mr. Madigan's Motion to suspend the Rule."

"I would tell you that the Republicans had this Amendment for two or three days. I've had it on my desk. In fact, I've been carrying it around. So, I don't know what happened on the Democrat side with the Pages."

"Mr. Cullerton, on the Motion." 84  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASS EMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day June 29, 1985

"Yes, I wondered if since we don't have a copy of it, if the Clerk could just read it?"

"Mr. Dunn."

"Well, I... I don't see any reason to do things differently here than we do on other matters before this Assembly. And to the extent I have rights in this Body, I object to consideration of a Resolution, until it has been printed and distributed and available to the Members to read, whatever the Resolution."

"Mr. Clerk. Excuse me. Mr. Dunn. Yes. Yes, Mr. Dunn."

"Well, it... in the interim it has shown up. So, I'll withdraw my objection."

"Alright. Yes, Mr. McCracken, for the record."

"For the record then, it is... it is a fact that it's been printed and distributed making the leave unnecessary."

"No. It has been printed. It apparently has been printed, but apparently has not been distributed. Accordingly, if there's no further discussion on this issue... Miss Pullen, you want to discuss this issue?"

"Well, I find it very difficult to believe, Mr. Speaker, that it would have been distributed only by the Republican Pages, although I do recognize what a fine group of people those are, when House Resolution 579, which obviously was introduced after 573, has been printed and distributed to our desks on this side at least, and it is a Resolution offered by a Lady on that side of the aisle. So, our Pages certainly aren't offering us just Republican Resolutions and Democrat Resolutions over there. I suspect that unless the Speaker's memo concerning keeping extraneous papers from floating around the House has been taken to mean taking our Resolution off the desks of the Democrat Members, that it has indeed been distributed on both sides 85  65th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 29, 1985 of the aisle."

"Mr. Ewing."

"Mr.... Mr. Speaker, I would ask a question that, when these Resolutions are printed, is there a Republican printing office and a Democratic printing office? Do they all get printed the same and come up together?"

"Further discussion? Mr. Daniels, you had spoken before. Do you have a point of parliamentary inquiry at this time?"

"Yes, I would, Sir. We have had the distribution of 573 on our desk for sometime, and I would suggest to you that 573 has, in fact, been distributed. As a matter of fact..."

"Mr. Daniels..."

"... guess it is now..."

"Mr. Daniels, I asked the Clerk."

"Certainly, Sir. I want to... I want to make sure you understand that 629 is also coming up. So, as you're expediting the printing of 573, I hope that your printing office, Sir, run by the House Democrat Committee, the Operations Printing Office, is also printing 629. And then I would hope, Sir, that you will conduct and no further stalln no further delay the McCormick Place legislation so that we can get on with the business of the House."

"Mr. Daniels. Mr. Daniels. That was not a parliamentary inquiry, and you took advantage of the Chair. Mr. Madigan has moved it. I am... I... The Clerk advised me previously that it had not been distributed. The Clerk now advises me that in the interim of this debate, indeed, it has been distributed to all of the Members. And so that Speaker Madigan, your Motion is... is moot at this point. Now... Yes, Mr. McCracken."

"So, now we're clear for the record. Both Motions are 86  65th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 29, 1985 printed and distributed."

"We are on House Resolution 573, and on that Resolution, I recognize Minority Leader Daniels."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, first, let me thank you for expediting the printing of 573. And I want to, for the record, state that we just received 629 distributed to the Members as well, which would be the next Resolution we hear so that we won't have any difficulty in hearing that one. 573 is a Resolution that has been drafted to request the Auditor General of the State of Illinois to complete an audit of McCormick Place and to perform an independent comprehensive audit and evaluation of the operations in McCormick Place to determine the nature and extent of the cost overruns on McCormick Place to be distinguished from 629, which will come up later, which is on the internal operations in McCormick Place. 573 deals with the construction overrun so that we can have full and complete information on that to be delivered to the General Assembly by October 1, 1985. I would ask that all Members of the House show their concern of the cost overruns and act immediately to support this. Now, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentleman of the House, let it be known that, of course, we will have to support an appropriation that will go along with this later on in the budget to the Auditor General to... in order to support his staff, and we're waiting to hear from the Auditor General as to the appropriate amount for the appropriation for that audit. I'd appreciate your support."

"The Gentleman from DuPage, Mr. Daniels, has moved for the adoption of House Resolution 573. And on that, the Gentleman from Cook, Speaker Madigan."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, first let me say that I plan to support the Gentleman's 87  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day June 29, 1985 Resolution. Second, let everyone understand this is part of the ongoing cover-up. This is a plan of activity by the Minority Leader, which began a few days ago, with a flurry of press activity and legislative initiatives that is a cover-up. It's a smoke screen to hide from public scrutiny the fact that Governor Thompson's appointments to the McCormick Place Board could have stopped all of this activity at McCormick Place, could have prevented the mess at McCormick Place, but they didn't do a damn thing about it. All of this happened with the full consent and approval of all six of Governor Thompson's appointments to this Board. So if you think that you're moving to clean up a mess by this phony investigation, you're wrong. Go on down to the second floor, meet with your Governor, your Leader, and ask him why he didn't consult with his appointments to do something about this before it happened. We're going to support your Resolution. We're going to support your second Resolution. But there's going to be follow-up Resolutions that make it quite specific as to what kind of an audit we're talking about. We're not going to use your vague language, which might prevent the Auditor General from doing his job. And we're not just going to have a House Committee. We're going to have a Joint House Senate Committee, so we don't exclude the Senate. But go ahead and have your day in the sun, and then all scurry back and decide how you're going to further protect the Governor for the next two days of the Session."

"Further discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Keane."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have talked to the Minority Leader about this Resolution, and I've talked to the Auditor General. We... We're... There's an October 1st reporting date, which will be almost impossible to fulfill, 88  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day June 29, 1985 but the Auditor General indicated that he would do it as quickly and as expeditiously as he could given the funds available. And I just wanted to make that part of the record. Thank you."

"The Gentleman from Champaign, Mr. Johnson."

"Question of the Sponsor. Just to distinguish, Representative Daniels, this Resolution, if passed, would direct itself toward part of a problem, but House Resolution 629, I take it, is also necessary to direct itself with more plenary powers to a different aspect of the problem. Is that correct?"

"That is correct, Sir. And I'm glad that you asked that question. for, as you know, House Resolution 573 does deal with the Auditor General's functions and an audit of the cost... cost overrides. And we would be delighted to have any Member of the House submit additional language for an additional review of McCormick Place. Because, Representative Johnson, in answer to your question, let me state to you clearly and unequivocally, if I was a Democrat Ward Committeeman from the City of Chicago, I'd give the same speech that was just given."

"Thank you."

"Yes, further discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Huff."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. All I want to say is that with reference to House Resolution 573, this is tantamount to Dr. Jeckle investigating who Dr. Hyde is."

"The Lady from Cook, Ms. Pullen."

"Hell. Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I think that the comments casting aspersions on the nature of this investigation are very interesting considering that the Auditor General is an Officer of this Legislature. He is not a part of the Executive Branch which has been 89  65th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 29, 1985 maligned here today. I can understand the effort to make this a partisan issue on the other side of the aisle, especially considering that they are the ones who have refused for days to call the legislation that would reform McCormick Place. They are the ones who want to provide the money for the overruns at McCormick Place with no reform, and they want to be sure that their Members do not support... No one has written my speech. I'm not reading it. You use your style, I'll use mine. They are the ones who have refused to call this reform legislation because they're weaseling around trying to stop the reform and trying to figure out how they can do it without getting the blame for it. You know there have been some issues around here where people have tried to wonder about whether it was credit or blame they were going to get if the Bill passed or failed. There's no question on this issue. If McCormick Place reform does not go through in this Session, it's a matter of blame, not credit. There is nothing defensible in the structure of McCormick Place as it stands in law or in the activities of the McCormick Place agency. And there is nothing phony about asking our Auditor General of this Body to investigate that local unit of Chicago government. I urge an 'aye' vote on this Resolution."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Terzich."

"Yes, can I ask the Sponsor of this Resolution a question? Could we..."

"Indicates... Excuse me, Mr. Terzich. You'll yield, Mr. Daniels? He indicates he'll yield for a question."

"Yes. I think this isn't the first cost overrun that's happened in the state or in the City. Is there... Could we amend this to include the State of Illinois Building by any chance?" 90  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day

"If you want."

"I understand there was a substantial that building also. cost June 29, 1985 overrun in I didn't hear of any big investigation."

"I... I think that if you would like to present a Resolution, fine. You will, of course, remember that you voted on that."

"Well, I understand, but, I mean, could we amend this to also..."

"I think you voted for it, Sir."

"Maybe we could include that in this Resolution also."

"We... We already approved an audit on it. Would you like to furnish some additional language? Or is there something here that you don't like about the fact that we're asking for an audit?"

"Hey... we get audited every day."

"I would think you would."

"Well, I can appreciate that one too. I have been."

"The Gentleman from Livingston, Mr. Ewing."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I'm certainly pleased to hear that we're going to have bipartisan support for this Resolution. As a downstater who doesn't ask for a whole lot from this Legislature for his district, we do like to... we do like to see some integrity and some proper accounting for the way our funds are spent, not only in the City of Chicago, but all over the state. I am amused though that whenever the other side of the aisle gets up to tell us how they're going to join us in a good Resolution, they try and disperse the issue by, first of all, raising their voice, which is a technique taught in many law schools. When you don't have facts, you raise your voice and shout. And then they want to point the finger at the Governor on the second floor. Of course, 91  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASS EMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day June 29, 1985 he isn't up here to defend himself. But let's all face it, in the set up for McCormick Place and part of what our House Republican Policy Committee is saying in the reform is we want to put some things in the law that will allow the Governor of this state to be sure that those things are carried out and that his appointments have the law behind him to run an efficient and effective operation. And they don't have that right now. And the Governor makes his appointments under the laws that are written by this Legislature. And I've been here for 11 years and only two short years, they were awfully short, have been controlled by the Republicans when we got a lot of good things done."

"The Gentleman from Marion, Mr. Friedrich."

"Mr. Speaker, I think I can allay some of the fears of one of the people who spoke on the other side of the aisle. The Audit Commission has already asked for the Auditor to audit the State of Illinois Building, and he'll have that report in due time. And I... I think you ought to know that it was... the Resolution came out of the Audit Commission and is being done. The other thing I think I ought to tell you, I'm probably the only one left in the General Assembly that voted for the first McCormick Place. I did it because I thought it was a good thing for the City of Chicago and the State of Illinois, and it's proven to be that. When they came to us for an expansion, they told us they wanted to be this the showplace of the convention center of the whole world, and I... I agreed to that. It sounded like a good expenditure. They said they could do it for 187 million. They got 205 million, I believe I'm right on that. And since then, they have picked up 17 million dollars in interest, and all at once they've got a crisis which they say they need 54 million dollars more. Now, I think that needs a little looking into. One thing 92  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day June 29, 1985 advised the Speaker that I would be filing it and had suggested to the Speaker that we may wish to discuss this matter, had suggested to the Speaker that we spare no expense in making sure that the staff people employed by this Committee be of the utmost and highest caliber and hassuggested that we... may even want to employ some of the former U.S. Attorneys that sit in private practice now to be counsel on the Committee. I had suggested that because of their expertise in the area, such as Mr. Sullivan, who is a former United States Attorney and several other people to look at this matter to serve the House Investigation Committee. I would suggest to you that it has been on the Calendar for some time. We are looking at this matter right now. The effort of this is, of course, to look into the internal operations of McCormick Place and to look within the terms of having that investigation conducted in a bipartisan manner. That is why the Resolution calls for the election of Co-Chairmen, the intent to be that they be a Chairman from each side of the aisle so that we can furnish our investigation of that place. Now let me just say to you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, House Resolution 629 is not a partisan effort for an investigation. It is a bipartisan effort. That's why the Committee would be a bipartisan Committee. It's an effort to find out if, in fact, there has been any wrongdoing at McCormick Place. We only know about some of the talk we've heard on the street, and we only know at this point of some of the items that have been reported in the newspapers. Whether those items are factual or not only time and the future will tell. But there should be no delay. There shouldn't be any effort to delay an investigation of McCormick Place. We aren't pointing blame at a Democrat or a Republican. He aren't trying to turn this into an 94  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day about the audit and one thing about the June 29, 1985 investigation, it'll get the facts. It's not set up to trap anybody or anything else. If something's wrong, we need to know it. If it isn't, the people who are... been suspected of doing things need to be exonerated. That's all we're doing here. I think the Legislature's entitled to the facts. This is the taxpayers money."

"The question is, 'Shall the House adopt House Resolution 573?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is now open. 60 votes are required. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 115 voting 'aye', none voting 'no', none voting 'present'. And the House does adopt House Resolution 573. Yes, Mr... Mr. Daniels, for what purpose do you seek..."

"Just for the record, and maybe you would like to correct something so nobody is embarrassed on this Resolution. A Member of the Democratic staff voted Mr. Bullock's switch, and you may wish to take a new Roll Call so that isn't voted against, since he is not here. And you may prefer that. Now we will join... in doing that."

"Mr... Mr. Daniels, I've already announced the vote. Alright. Mr. Daniels, the question was divided. With leave of the House, we will go to House Resolution 629. Do we have leave to go to that... to go to that Order? Leave is granted. Mr. Daniels, on House Resolution 629."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, House Resolution 629 calls for the creation of a Select House Committee of Investigation composed of eight Members, four each to be appointed by the Speaker and Minority Leader of the House. This Resolution was filed yesterday. And I had 93  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day June 29, 1985 advantage against the operating manager of McCormick Place. As a matter of fact, a Gentleman on the other side of the aisle, your Speaker, has already called for the resignation of the operating manager of McCormick Place. We haven't done that to date. We may do that after we find out a few more facts. But I want to tell you something. It's time that we find out those facts. And that's why this is the second Order of Business in a process of three in an effort to try to reform the operations of McCormick Place. This is the second. I hope you'll join us in this Resolution, and then join us on the third, which will be reform legislation to Senate Bill 1454, because the first two without the third don't really accomplish what I think it is that you, as elected Representatives of taxpayers, want to have accomplished and that's reform of McCormick Place before you authorize any additional dollars. All of you, you have the power to determine what happens on behalf of the taxpayers of this state. It's their money that's entrusted to you. I don't want a partisan Roll Call. I want 118 Members of the House joining in this Resolution and 118 Members of the House joining in Senate Bill 1454 and the reform measures that are sponsored there. I hope you'll join us. I hope you'll join us in the... in the sponsoring, the passage of this Resolution in the spirit that was introduced. Thank you for your support."

"The Gentleman from DuPage has moved for the adoption of... of House Resolution 629. And on that, Speaker Madigan, the Gentleman from Cook."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. First, to correct the record, I have not called for the resignation of Mr. "Hannon", the general manager at McCormick Place. Mr. Daniels and I appeared on a television program the other night at which time I said 95  65th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 29, 1985 that events might develop in such a way that Mr. "Hannon" either would be called upon to resign or would be fired. I have not called for his resignation. Concerning the Resolution, it's very simple. It creates a House Committee to conduct an investigation. It excludes the Senate. It proposes the House proceed on its own in this very important matter. In my judgment, we can do better. We can involve the Senate, both Democrats and Republicans, and then proceed to a full, thorough investigation as requested by the Minority Leader. But let me remind you, all of this could have been stopped. The appointment authority at McCormick Place is such that today the Governor has six appointments and the Mayor has six. So those Thompson appointees on their own, without any help or direction from us, without any flamboyant activity by the Minority Leader, could have stopped all of this. They could have stopped that management decision to go on a fast track. They could have stopped the awarding of the cost overruns. They could have voted against the awarding of the basic contracts. They didn't do any of that. They didn't do anything. They just rubber stamped everything that happened at McCormick Place, and now the Minority Leader is engaged in a massive cover-up to protect the Governor and to protect the Governor's appointments. So if you want to participate in it, have a lot of fun. Enjoy yourselves. Punch those green buttons, but it's not going to cover up in the end, because there will be an investigation and the truth will come out. Where was the Governor? Where were his appointments?"

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Bullock."

"Thank you, Madam (sic - Mr.) Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. First of all, I rise in support of Representative Daniels' Resolution, and I voted in support 96  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day June 29, 1985 of the last one and intend to vote in support of this one. There appears to be more smoke than fire, not only in the rhetoric but also in the content of the article that was referred to prior to us leaving the floor. I'm not going to work up a sweat and engage in any type of violent outbreak or intemperate remarks as was done prior to the recess. I have responded to the press inquiries in question both yesterday and today. I think I've given three interviews with members of the press relative to the Chicago Sun-Times article. Moreover, I am prepared and continue to answer any questions or inquires into the matter in question and the promulgation of the Sun-Times article which many of us have seen. But I also took the time during the recess to check my records in terms of the ethics statement required in the State of Illinois for members to file. And I think if you check that ethics statement, you will clearly see that I, as a Member, have not attempted in any way to conceal private ownership interests in any of the companies of which I am affiliated or have private corporate ownership or interest. So clearly it has been there for anyone to see, and I'm certain that most responsible people have looked at that... at that ethics statement which is required by law. And at no time did any firm with whom I have had private ownership or association, at no time have those individuals had a direct contractual relationship with McCormick Place. The firm in question, which is the Blackman Development Company, of which I was briefly associated, worked with a private contractor, who bid a McCormick Place job in an open and competitive bid process, an open and competitive bid process. And at no time did I discuss with any of those officials at McCormick Place the letting of a contract indirectly or directly, not that it would have 97  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day June 29, 1985 made a difference because they're all sealed and they're open and competitive. At no time did I benefit in any interest from that Blackman Development contract as a subcontractor with a private contracting company. Mr. Blackman conceded in the article that, in fact, I had very little or no management decisions in the company, which is probably nothing more than a bad business judgment on my part of not taking firm control of the company which was a subcontractor. The project in question was open and competitive. A prime contractor, one among many, selected a minority subcontractor of which I had a minority ownership, as I do in many private business ventures, and they subsequently obtained a reward. So there's absolutely nothing and improper in such a private business transaction. But let me just say there are many elected officials in the Assembly, in the House and the Senate and in Congress who have outside business affiliations separate and apart from the Legislature. Many of us do legal work for outside business interests for municipalities. We have private legal contracts with individuals in the State of Illinois. So there should never be a presumption. there should never be a presumption that a Member of an elected Body, who has private business interests, is in fact a second class citizen. We certainly are not. So I join with Minority Leader Daniels in a call for an investigation at McCormick Place and the deficit of McCormick Place. In addition, I urge Mr. Daniels to allow the House to proceed with our crucial business during these closing days of the Session, proceed in this chamber unemcumbered by political posturing or any irrational outbursts or threats of McCarthyism. So, Mr. Daniels, I'm proud to join you in calling for this investigation."

"The Gentleman from McLean... I'm sorry. The 98  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day June 29, 1985 Gentleman from McLean, Mr. Ropp."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Members of the House, it's been my distinct pleasure to serve in this Body for four terms, and in a previous administration, as one of its executive officers. And at all time, coming from a farm, knowing that integrity was extremely important in all of our dealings and the fact that we attempted to do what was right and wrong, and as a young man many years ago when we went to Kentucky, we visited a fellow black man who was celebrating his 100th birthday. And he said at that time when my dad asked him, "What do you attribute your long life to?" He said, "I attribute my long life to living right and doing right by everybody." I've remembered that for some forty-five years now. I happen to serve on the State Government Administrative and Review Committee as its Minority Spokesman and have attempted at all times to work with every Member of this Body, because I love this institution, because what it has meant to me and the citizens of the State of Illinois for these many years. And I have attempted to resolve every difference that we might have and to work with people. And I have known that though on particular differences that we may have Individually, I understand that it comes from the district that you represent. And I appreciate you for that and commend you for that. On the morning of June 20th, 1985, for the record and Members of this Body, a Legislator in this Body came to me and said, 'I have a small Amendment I would like for you to add to a Bill that will be coming up, Senate Bill 558.' He said, 'It only does a couple of things. The fact is there's only three or four words, with any state agency or department.' With all that has gone on today, that more clearly comes into focus. Had I known what has happened up until today, certainly that 99  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day June 29, 1985 consideration to assist a colleague would not have been granted. But in the spirit of cooperation, as we have always attempted to do in this Body and throughout life, I said, yes, because I was given the word that the Sponsor of that Bill was willing to accept it and that the Joint Sponsor of that Amendment was also a party to the understanding of what this particular Amendment did. And with that full knowledge, I said, yes, I'll be happy to sponsor an Amendment that is good for the people of the State of Illinois. When the Amendment was drafted, it was brought to me and stated that, "Oh, this only allows for let's say an example an attorney, in the name of one who is one of our Minority Leaders. If he would choose to become involved in dealing with his local municipality, this Bill will better clearly identify the fact that he could work because most of those communities do receive revenue sharing monies. And under the current provision, it's a little bit difficult or a conflict of interest. So I said, I understand this and maybe it should be adopted. So the Amendment was drafted and was presented. I think the current Speaker was in the Chair, if I'm not mistaken. The Chairman... The Spokesman... correction. The Sponsor of the Senate Bill was on the floor... was not on the floor, but the Amendment eventually was placed on as Amendment #1. Staffs from both sides of the aisle came to me afterwards and said, "We don't understand what the world this Amendment does. We have to redraft it.' And so it was redrafted Amendment #2, which was even more complicated. No one could understand that either. The fact is though that after the first Amendment was drafted the Sponsor, after about three hours, found out that this was part of a Bill that he had, in fact, not been granted the authority to amend, particularly not in the manner that 100  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day June 29, 1985 it was. And after much time was elapsed, that Bill was recalled, and the Amendment went off. The fact being as it all is encumbered in this whole project today is a serious one, because what this would have done, it would have granted a particular Member of this Body, under what we have seen in the newspaper today, special, special kinds of consideration. And I think that's a tragedy. It gives all of us, as a group, a very bad name. Serving in the Legislature, representing the people of the State of Illinois and attempting to get some personal, even possibly financial gain, as I think will be evidenced by the study and the investigation that comes out. So, Ladies and Gentlemen, I want this for the record that I certainly did not have any part in the concerns that are involved with McCormick Place as that Amendment would have been SO effective and SO useful for a particular Member of this Body. And I'm saddened today to have to say that we have all been shamed by acts that went on June 20th, 1985. Thank you."

"The Gentleman from Lake, Mr. Matijevich."

"Will the Sponsor of the Resolution yield?"

"Indicates he'll yield for questions."

"Representative Daniels, as I heard the debate and... and the votes, explanation of votes, I was understood to believe that there will be an audit of the State of Illinois Building. And there were some who were indicating in debate that this is no different or at least the audit of the McCormick Place Authority is no different than having an audit of any state agency and having an audit of the State of Illinois Building. Hould you also then believe in and recommend, because there have been tremendous, tremendous cost overruns of the State of Illinois Building... Would you believe that we should, 101  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day therefore, June 29, 1985 conduct an investigation of the State of Illinois Building which is much different than an audit?"

"Let me answer your question by pointing out to you, as you so accurately stated, that the State of Illinois Building is part of the state agency. Sure, it's undergoing an audit because the Auditor General is charged with that responsibility for cyclical audits, and they are auditing the actions at the State of Illinois Building. Now, if it becomes appropriate as this audit uncovers, if it may, anything that's wrong, then we should do that. And you should come and cooperate with me in presenting an investigation of that. But let's talk about the instant Resolution, which is an investigation. The audit part has already passed, Representative Matijevich. This one is an investigation into the activities at McCormick Place which is a local unit of government, different from a state agency. First of all, it doesn't fall under the Auditor General's cyclical audit process. That's why we passed House Resolution 579. House Resolution 629, that is before you right now, is a request by a bipartisan House Committee to audit or to investigate the activities of McCormick Place. If there's any wrongdoing, then that should be turned over to the appropriate law enforcement authorities. We certainly hope that there will be no wrongdoing uncovered, but the street talk, the talk amongst people, reports in the newspaper raise sufficient concern that necessitates this investigation in this instance."

"I didn't... I don't... Through all that, I don't think you answered my question. Would you now support a Resolution to investigate the State of Illinois Building? Because much of what your Resolution, the prior Resolution said about cost overruns, et cetera, which led you to the conclusion that in addition to an audit, there ought to be 102  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day June 29, 1985 an investigation. Do you now conclude by your remarks that in addition to an audit of the State of Illinois, because there are cost overruns and much of what you say in your Resolution about McCormick Place, that in addition, thereto, there should to be an investigation of the State of Illinois Building?"

"I... I can understand..."

"Do you conclude that?"

"You know, John, I can understand what you're saying and why..."

"Well, just answer me then. As long as you can understand it, answer it."

"I can... You know, I can understand what you're saying and why and what you're trying to do here."

"All it requires is a yes or no."

"I can certainly sympathize with your feelings and your concern. I don't understand though, John, in answer to your question, why you're engaging in some of the delay and the cover-up on the McCormick Place. It makes no sense. It's not in your district, John. You didn't have anything to do with it. Aren't you interested in protecting the taxpayers dollars, John?"

"I am. I am."

"Don't you want to get down to the bottom of this? Come on, John. Join with us. Pass this, and then bring the Resolution for an investigation over, you know, bring it over..."

"Mr. Daniels, you yielded for a question, not for a diatribe."

"Bring it over, John. We'll join with you..."

"Do you want to answer my question?"

"Mr... Mr. Matijevich, the Chair recognizes you." 103  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day

"... interrupted your conversation, Mr. Speaker. I didn't realize you were part of this discussion."

"I'd like... I'd like the Minority Leader only to answer the question, and all it requires is a yes or no. Do you now conclude that in addition to an audit of the State of Illinois Building because it does have many cost overruns, even more substantial than the McCormick Place, that we also ought to now have an investigation of the State of Illinois Building? And all that requires is a yes or no."

"Bring the Resolution over. Let us read it. Set it up in a bipartisan fashion. Sponsor the Resolution. When we look at, just as long as it's not one that's patterned after the salmonella investigation that you people tried to pull, we can cooperate in an investigation if you have evidence of any criminal wrongdoing or you've heard there's any wrongdoing. But, John, join with us in passage of House Resolution 629. Investigate this. Help get to the bottom of this. Let's see if there's any wrongdoing. Don't stop it anymore. Vote for it. Let's deal with McCormick Place first. The State of Illinois Building, you voted for the appropriation. You were one of the people that supported the seven, eight year project. You're on the Appropriations Committee. You're one of the movers and the shakers of the General Assembly. You were a Chairman of the Appropriation Committee, I believe, when the State of Illinois Building was submitted for consideration. I believe you were, Sir. And if that's the case, nobody knows more about that than you do. So let's deal with McCormick Place. Let's protect the taxpayers' dollars on this first. Just pass this Resolution."

"Mr. Matijevich."

"I was going to let you... let him go as long as he 104  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day June 29, 1985 wanted, because he hasn't said anything yet so... Well, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, let... let all of the people in the gallery and all of the people in the State of Illinois know that anytime, anytime, the Minority Leader puts on an act like he did, especially the way he did before the Caucus, that it's a political show. Let everybody know that because that's what it is. In his very... inept answer to my question, he said that if the audit, for example, of the State of Illinois Building shows any wrongdoing, well, certainly then there ought to be an investigation. That's exactly what the Speaker said when he presented his stance on this Resolution. If the audit of the McCormick Place shows any wrongdoing, there should be an investigation. It shouldn't be... come now. It shouldn't come first. It should fall in its rightful place that there be an audit and then we conduct an investigation if we find any wrongdoing. I don't know what's going on. I don't know if the Governor in his gut feeling feels that the State of Illinois Building is going to be a major issue and that there are going to be different wrongdoings come out of that State of Illinois Building. I don't know if that's the case. I get the gut feeling that that is the case. And, therefore, they want to make a political issue out of McCormick Place. So, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, until I'm convinced that this isn't a political circus that the Minority Leader has started, I'm going to go along with what I did on the first Resolution. I voted 'aye' that there be an audit. That's responsible. But I think that on this... on this Resolution I should vote 'no', at least vote... or I'll probably vote 'present'. At least vote 'present' or 'no' until I'm convinced, convinced that the Minority Leader is going to put this issue on the same plane and level as the 105  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day June 29, 1985 State of Illinois Building and invest... investigate the State of Illinois Building too. Until then, I will vote 'present'."

"The Gentleman from Champaign, Mr. Johnson."

"On May 16th, 1985, the Illinois Senate passed an Act, Senate Bill 558, that amended the Illinois Purchasing Act to provide a ten year, rather than a seven year, limitation on the term of any contract by a state agency for telecommunications equipment and services and space therefore. On May 17th, because this Bill was called for by the University of Illinois and really is primarily a matter of local interest, at least of interest to areas that have state universities and colleges in it, I became the primary House Sponsor of Senate Bill 558. On May 22nd, that was assigned to Committee, and I believe that sometime in early June the Bill passed out of Committee on the... on the Consent Calendar. On June 18th, 1985, at the request of Representatives Soliz and Hartke, that Bill was removed from the Consent Calendar. At sometime during the period of time of June 15th to June 20th, the Chairman of the Committee that Representative Ropp serves as a Minority Spokesman on came to me and indicated that I had two Bills on the Calendar, Senate Bills 558 and 559, to which he wished to add an Amendment. Ultimately, an Amendment, and I wasn't even aware that the Bill was called and was called to task by the University of Illinois and the Amendment later removed, Amendment #1 and 2... actually. Amendment #1 was added to my Bill without my consent and, frankly, without my knowledge. Current law provides that Individuals who have a financial interest... having or acquiring a contract with units of local government, the contract of which is satisfied in whole or in part by monies appropriated by the General Assembly, it's illegal 106  65th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 29, 1985 for a person holding elective office in this state, holding a seat in the General Assembly and so forth, to have contractual interest in those things. Amendment #1 that the Chairman of that Committee had asked me to look for a vehicle for. and that was ultimately added at his request by Representative Ropp and Representative Nash, would have in effect limited those criminal prohibitions to only those units of government that are state agencies or state departments. The effect of Amendment #1 would be to allow individuals in this situation to contract with units of local government, such as McCormick Place, and to have an interest in contracts and so forth wherein the funds of the General Assembly would be appropriated to pay, in whole or in part, those contracts. Three hours later, after the Amendment was... had been offered and adopted, University of Illinois officials asked me why the Amendment was offered and adopted. I then asked Representative Ropp and Nash why the Amendment had been offered and adopted and was told that it had been done at the behest of the Chairman of the State Government Administration Committee. After prolonged discussion with a number of individuals, all of whom I have just described, the Amendment was withdrawn. Now what the effects would have been and how it applies specifically to the factual situation that we've discussed today is something that I'm not going to decide, and I'm certainly not going to cast..."

"Excuse me, Mr. Johnson. Excuse me. The Chair has... you know, did not stop Mr. Ropp. did not stop you either from making your point. I'm not sure of whether this is, strictly speaking, germane to the Resolution before us and relevant to the Resolution before us. So I would just appreciate you bringing your remarks to a close on this subject and moving toward addressing... Resolution, 107  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day please." June 29, 1985

"I will bring my remarks to a close when I think it's appropriate to do that and when the House rules preclude me from finishing what I think is an appropriate comment on a Resolution that's before us. If you want to shut me down, then you shut off the electricity."

"Mr. Johnson."

"That's your right."

"Mr. Johnson."

"You've done that in the past, and if you want to do it again, you can do it now, but I intend to finish what I'm saying. I think it's absolutely germane to a Resolution that deals with the administration of McCormick Place. And I think the people and the taxpayers of the State of Illinois through this..."

"Mr. Johnson, may the Chair just remark? The Chair respectfully advise you that this Resolution deals basically with cost overruns. It is an important Resolution. I... Mr. Ropp spoke and that was why I certainly did not want to get into a procedural question. But nonetheless, I think we should... we shouldn't make this... allow this to be relevant to the, strictly speaking, to the Resolution. I have not told you I would Johnson: cut you off. Just relax..." "I'm not... I'm not unrelaxed."

"...and I just suggested... suggested that perhaps you might address the Resolution more directly, Sir. Proceed."

"The Resolution would empower a special House Committee to investigate certainly cost overruns and, as the Resolution states, a whole series of other issues that are or might be involved with the appropriatedadministration of... of jurisprudence in this state and the administration 108  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day June 29, 1985 of McCormick Place. What I'm suggesting is that when this scenario occurred, a week and a half ago, that the Members of this General Assembly unwittingly became involved, and we have an opportunity through this Resolution to begin... again involved. And why I think it's germane and why it's absolutely on point is because that House Committee then would be able to look into the various aspects of the administration of McCormick Place, the contracts that are executed by that Body, the personnel involved with those contracts and with the administration of McCormick Place and to determine, based on those... that investigation and that, I hope, measured, responsible approach to the issue, what, if anything further, the House should do, what our actions should... how... how they should involve themselves with... with the administration of McCormick Place and how this fits into the bigger picture. I'm not suggesting, as I started to say, that that scenario of a week and a half ago was wrong or criminal. But it certainly involved 118 Members of this House in an attempt to significantly change Illinois law and specifically in a manner that, at least allegedly, would exempt at least one Member of this... of this chamber from possible criminal activity under Illinois statutes. And I think that it's important and relevant and germane to this Resolution and to a proper consideration of this issue that the Members of the House, particularly Representative Ropp and Nash and myself, who were involved with this specific Bill, to have the background in terms of making an intelligent vote on this Resolution and in terms of looking at the issue in its bigger sense. I hope that the Members of this chamber vote unanimously for this House Resolution, and I'm confident that the House Committee will exercise responsibility and toughness in terms of looking at the use of public funds in a... in a local agency that 109  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day has involved us all wittingly and unwittingly. "yes" vote."

"Thank you, Mr. June 29, 1985 I urge a "The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Nash." Speaker. I rise on a point of personal privilege. My name was mentioned in debate by a previous speaker. In my seven years in the Legislature, first in the Senate, now in the House, I've never sponsored any Amendment or any Bill with any intent to cover anything up. I've always tried to accommodate Members of both sides of the House in Committee and on the floor. And I... for that reason, I rise on a point of personal privilege to set it on the record. Thank you."

"Mr. Kubik, the Gentleman from Cook."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. You know, I cannot believe that there would be any adverse debate on this particular Resolution. This isn't a Chicago issue, or a downstate issue, a suburban issue. It's not a Republican issue or a Democrat issue. It's a taxpayer issue. McCormick Place has come to us for 60 million dollars. And I know I was not a Member of this House when some 200 million dollars was authorized last time. But I'll tell you something, if I was, I'd be a lot angrier than I am now. We are considering something in the order of 300 million dollars worth of additional school aid for this state this year. If you stop to consider that McCormick Place is asking for an additional 60 million dollars, one-fifth of that package, I think that ought to drive it home. That ought to drive home the fact that the people of this state are going to suffer because of the mismanagement and misappropriation of McCormick Place. And I don't think that we ought to look at this as a Republican issue or a partisan issue. I think what we ought to do is get down the facts, get it out in the open, and let's to 110  65th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 29, 1985 finally solve this problem and keep McCormick Place what it truly is, a great and tremendous asset to the State of Illinois. I urge you to vote for House Resolution 629."

"The question is, Shall the House adopt House Resolution 629?" All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. The Gentleman from DuPage, Mr. Daniels, one minute to explain his vote."

"Mr. Speaker, just briefly to make sure that the record is straight. McCormick Place Board has six appointments by the Mayor of Chicago, six appointments by the Governor of the State of Illinois. The current Chairman of McCormick Place was appointed by the Mayor of Chicago, and the Chairman, as such, would have the primary authority in which to operate the internal dealings of McCormick Place. And I think that as you review the record, you'll find that maybe we ought to be concerned with the taxpayers dollars instead of trying to put political blame for political purpose on somebody who may be a political opponent of an individual in this House. Thank you for supporting this Resolution."

"Further dis... I'm sorry. Mr. Homer, one minute to explain your vote."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'm voting in favor of this Resolution. I'm doing so, however, completely sympathetic to the position taken by Representative Matijevich, who expressed the views that I have. And I believe that we've actually, in the course of debate, established a meeting of the minds as to a subsequent Joint Resolution that will be presented that will add Senate Members to the investigative Body along with House Members and also include the State of Illinois Building. And I think it's absolutely essential that... that we agree on both of those points. And I think all the debate, both on this side and the other side of the 111  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day June 29, 1985 aisle, has indicated that such a Joint Resolution would be favorably considered at that time. So I'm going to vote 'yes' with the clear understanding that this is... that this is a halfway measure, and it will be followed by something with some substance and some teeth in it which will be a Joint Resolution. So I look forward to voting on that subsequent Joint Resolution."

"Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 115 voting 'aye', none voting 'no', 3 voting 'present', and the House does adopt House Resolution 629. The third portion of your Motion, Mr. Daniels, was that the House take from the table Senate Bill 1454, and such a Motion has been filed in writing. And on that Motion, the Gentleman from DuPage, Mr. Daniels."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, Senate Bill 1454 was the remaining legislation that dealt with, hopefully, a reform of the McCormick Place structure as discussed on several instances by this Body, as well as discussed by the Speaker and the other Leaders and the Governor within some of our discussions in the Governor's Office of recent date. And it is my hope that you'll remove from the table Senate Bill 1454 and place it on the Calendar so that we can go to the immediate consideration of Amendments to 1454 in an effort to place before the Body the question of reform of McCormick Place so that we can then move forward with the business of the people of Illinois. Thank you."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Bowman, on the Motion."

"Will the Gentleman yield for a question?"

"He indicates he will."

"Mr. Daniels, I was discussing a similar issue of taking 112  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day June 29, 1985 a Bill from the table with one of your Leaders this morning. I was instructed that your side of the aisle was opposing all Motions to take any Bill from the table. I just want to know if that policy is abrogated by this... this Motion and whether you might reconsider my request."

"Mr. Daniels yields for a question."

"Was that to the... to the Speaker?"

"No, that is to you, Sir."

"No, that was to you, Mr. Daniels."

"Oh..."

"I was told that the policy of the Republican side of the aisle was to reject all such requests, and I just wanted to know whether that policy is being abrogated. and perhaps you might reevaluate the requests from our side of the aisle."

"On the merits, Sir. On the merits."

"Yes, okay, thank you very much."

"The Gentleman from Macon, Mr. Dunn."

"Will the Sponsor yield for a question?"

"He indicates that he will."

"In the interim since the Motion was called, I've looked in the Digest at the Bill and it seems to have nothing contained either in the Bill or the Senate Amendment which I can see in any way be relevant to what we're doing here now. Is there a proposal to use this as a vehicle to add some Amendments to it some place? Maybe my Digest is not complete. Maybe there's been some current action."

"Mr. Daniels."

"The Bill has been amended, Sir."

"Well, I know in the Senate. But has it been amended here?"

"Yes, Sir."

"Can you tell us what the Amendment does?" 113  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day

June 29, 1985 "The original Amendment filed provides for a reform of the McCormick Place Board by making the McCormick Place Board, first, a state agency and then reducing the membership on the board to nine members, all of whom would be appointed by the Governor with the advice and consent of the Senate. There has been an Amendment filed, which is pending now to the Bill which would change that Amendment and make the Board a quasi-state agency with nine Amendments... nine members, six appointed by the Governor and three by the Mayor of Chicago."

"Thank you."

"Further discussion? The question is, 'Shall the House take from the table Senate Bill 1554?' I'm sorry, 1454. All in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed 'no'... vote 'no'. Voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 112 voting 'aye', 3 voting 'no', none voting 'present', and the Motion carries. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill. Mr. Daniels, the Bill, I believe, is on the Order of... was on the Order of Third Reading at the time that it was tabled, Third Reading Short Debate, so that that is where it is. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 1454 is a Bill for an Act concerning the Department of Law Enforcement. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Mr. Daniels."

"Mr. Speaker, in cooperation, we might want to also, with leave of the House, suspend the deadline on this Bill until midnight, June 30th, so that it would give any Members the opportunity to participate in discussion of the Amendments and, with leave of the House, I would make that Motion, Sir." 114  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day June 29, 1985

"The Gentleman from Cook, Speaker Madigan."

"Question of the Chair. What is the deadline impact upon the Bill now? The Gentleman has requested leave to extend the deadline. What is the deadline for the Bill now? Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker."

"Yes, Mr..."

"Let me simply suggest that it's my recollection that the deadline for this Bill was extended until yesterday, but then there was no effort yesterday to extend the deadline one more day: and, therefore, the Bill died pursuant to the rules."

"That is correct."

"And if that is the correct record and if Mr. Daniels is asking to extend that deadline to tomorrow, I would not agree to that, but I will agree to extend the deadline until midnight today so that he can proceed to call his Bill today. And, as a matter of fact, he can call it right now."

"Mr. Daniels, I believe you do not have leave to extend the deadline till tomorrow, so that we are prepared now to move to your Bill. Mr. Daniels."

"I think the Speaker said he would agree to extend the deadline to midnight tonight." Speaker,Greiman: "Do you wish to take it out of the record?"

"No, he..."

"We'11 extend the deadline, but the process is to take it out of the record right now."

"With leave of the House, the deadline on the Bill's extended to midnight tonight. Is that correct, Sir?"

"Mr. Madigan, on his request for leave."

"Mr. Speaker, I would propose that we extend the deadline to midnight tonight, which would then obviate the impact of that rule upon consideration of the Bill and that 115  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day June 29, 1985 we proceed to a consideration of the Bill within the next minute. Let us not delay."

"Mr. Madigan has... has offered an Amendment to your Motion that we extend it to today and that we hear the Bill at this time, that we go to this Order now. The Clerk has read the Bill on Third Reading. The Bill is properly on Third Reading because you have taken it from the table, and we are prepared. Mr. Daniels, the Gentleman from DuPage, on Senate Bill 1454, on the Order of Third Reading Short Debate. Mr. Vinson, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"

"Would you return the Bill to Second Reading, Sir?"

"The House may do that."

"Alright."

"You may put that Motion, Sir."

"Alright, ask leave of the House to return the Bill to Second Reading for purpose of an Amendment."

"The Gentleman from DuPage asks leave of the House to place this Bill... to return this Bill to the Order of Second Reading for the purposes of an Amendment. Does the Gentleman have leave? Well, I guess you don't have leave. Mr. Madigan."

"Mr. Speaker, what was that last question of the Chair?"

"The question was... Mr. Daniels like to return the Bill to the Order of Second Reading. He asked leave of the House to return the Bill to Second Reading and leave was denied."

"And I... I would move that the matter be taken to Second Reading."

"Mr. Madigan moves to return the Bill... to return the Bill to the Order of Second Reading. All in favor say 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes have it, and the Bill is returned to the 116  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day June 29, 1985 Order of Second Reading for the purposes of Amendment. Mr. Clerk, are there any Amendments?"

"Amendment #2, Daniels - Pullen et al, amends Senate Bill 1454 as amended."

"The Gentleman from DuPage, Mr. Daniels."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I believe everyone has a copy of Amendment #2."

"Mr. Clerk, has this... has this Amendment been distributed, printed and distributed?"

"Has Amendment #3 been distributed?"

"Apparently Amendment #2 has not been distributed, nor has Amendment #3."

"Nor has... Well, then let me suggest that maybe... I know they're extensive Amendments. Why don't we put this over with leave of the House to 5:00 this afternoon? Amendments will be printed, distributed. And everyone can hear it at 5:00."

"Mr. Madigan."

"Yes."

"Mr. Speaker, are we on the Order of Amendment #2?"

"Second Reading, Amendment #2, but Amendment #2 has not been distributed, and it would be the position of the Chair that we can't take that up."

"Mr. Speaker, I now move to suspend the provisions of that rule so as to permit the consideration of this Amendment immediately, and I hope that I'm joined by Mr. Daniels."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Madigan, asks leave to suspend the rule with respect to printing and distribution so that the matter may be heard on the Order of Second Reading with respect to Amendments 2 and - how many more Amendments are there, Mr. Clerk - 2... 2 and 3. Is there leave? You have leave. Mr... Mr. Clerk. Mr. 117  65th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 29, 1985 Daniels, on Amendment #2.

"Now did the Gentleman's Motion go to 3 as well?"

"Yes."

"Is that correct, Sir?"

"Yes, Mr. Madigan..."

"No, he's seeking recognition."

"My recollection is that it did not extend to 3, but I now move to amend the Motion to include Amendment #3.

"Is there leave? Leave is granted. Mr. Clerk... Mr. Clerk, read the..."

"Then I would withdraw Amendment #2 and go straight to #3."

"Amendment #2 is withdrawn. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #3, Daniels - Pullen - et al, amends Senate Bill 1454 as amended."

"The Gentleman from DuPage, Mr. Daniels, on Amendment #3."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, Amendment #3 to Senate Bill 1454 provides a structure of accountability for the Metropolitan Fair and Exposition Authority commonly known as McCormick Place. It provides provisions for state auditing, Open Meetings Act, Purchasing Act; under the Personnel Code, the Administration... Administrative Procedures Act. The Board would fall under the Public Records Act, the Freedom of Information Act, the Illinois Rights Commission and the Governmental Ethics Act. In addition to the provisions above, which I just stated, it also relates to the day-to-day operations in McCormick Place which would involve that a full-time manager must be employed and cannot be engaged in any other business or employment. Six board members must approve the appointment of a general 118  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day June 29, 1985 manager of the Fair. The Governor would appoint six... six members of the Board. The Mayor of Chicago would appoint three. This would be a nine member Board. The six members appointed by the Governor would be subject to the advice and consent of the Senate. It would require of the Board budget approval by six votes of the Board, and the Board would have to file three year financial plans. An annual review of the professional staff would be conducted as well as an annual report to the General Assembly. It also addresses the very important problem of completion of the construction of McCormick Place. And due to the particular concerns connected with the construction of the new annex, special provisions relating to the completion of the construction are proposed. For one, a construction manager would be appointed to oversee the completion of the project, and the construction manager would have to be approved by six of the Board members. There must be strict adherence to the building codes, an immediate audit by the Auditor General of the construction project and any change orders exceeding 100,000 dollars would require Board approval by at least six Board members. There would be monthly progress reports on construction to the Governor and to the Mayor, including a report of any anticipated cost overruns. In regards to financing the completion of the annex, the money necessary to finance the completion of... build up the annex of McCormick Place would come within two funds if the Members of the General Assembly SO deemed it appropriate. One potential fund would be under the Build Illinois Fund. The additional potential fund, depending upon the wishes of the General Assembly, would come into a bond issue which would be subordinate to the original bond issue. That is a matter that would be the fourth part of this plan if the Members of the General 119  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day June 29, 1985 Assembly wish to talk about the financing and the completion of the annex to McCormick Place. I seek your favorable support of this Amendment and suggest to you that this is an appropriate vehicle in which to reform the structure of McCormick Place. Thank you."

"The Gentleman from DuPage has moved for the adoption of Amendment #3 to Senate Bill 1454. And on that question, the Gentleman from Cook Speaker Madigan."

"Mr. Speaker, to expedite the process, I will agree to accept the Amendment and then debate the issue on Third Reading."

"Further discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall the Amendment be adopted?' All in favor say 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. Amendment #3 is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Mr. Daniels."

"And I would... I assume I have immediate consideration on Third Reading."

"The Gentleman from DuPage, Mr. Daniels, moves to waive Rule 37(c) by the use of the Attendance Roll Call so that this Bill may be considered at this time. Does the Gentleman have leave? Mr. Daniels, you have leave. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill on the Order of Third Reading."

"Senate Bill 1454, a Bill for an Act concerning the Department of Law Enforcement. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, let me suggest to you that the Amendment before you right now will accomplish the third of a total of four processes in terms of the McCormick Place problems that we have and are now SO familiar with. Certain people talk about how we undertook the investigation in terms of the McCormick Place 120  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day June 29, 1985 annexation expansion. But may I remind you that we didn't go into this investigation with our eyes closed as to who was on the Board. We didn't go into this investigation with our eyes closed as to who made the appointments on the Board and who serves as the general... the general manager of McCormick Place. We knew that six were appointed by the Mayor of Chicago and six were appointed by the Governor of the State of Illinois and the general manager was operating under the authority of the Board. The fact is, we knew what we were doing and we knew who the Board members are and we still went ahead on this investigation. We knew that. We wanted to proceed. and we wanted to reform McCormick Place. For, you see, when we saw the problem in this magnitude, we recognized that the taxpayers funds must be protected at all costs, regardless of who may be involved, regardless of who may make the appointments, regardless of any individuals, regardless of their political stripes and regardless of their connections. McCormick Place year, after year, after year has been the subject of debate in the General Assembly. Something now must be done, regardless who is to... at blame. And we have the opportunity now to reform McCormick Place, so that opportunity is upon us. We have that ability. The Amendment before you will accomplish that purpose. And Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I suggest to you that this is your opportunity to participate in the reform, to participate in the very important project of reforming the Board, which, unfortunately, has shown itself not to be effective and to be wasting taxpayers' dollars. Please join with me in supporting this Amendment, and I'm happy to answer any questions that may come about."

"The Gentleman from DuPage, Mr. Daniels, has moved for the passage of Senate Bill 1454. And on that, 121  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day the Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Madigan." June 29, 1985

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, we now have the second chapter in this cover-up and now takeover. So the beginning was the Resolution, the effort by the Minority Leader to cover-up, to develop this smoke screen so that the public will not get to the real point of authority in the mess at McCormick Place. As I said earlier, the appointment authority at the... the Fair Authority is such that the Governor appoints six, the Mayor appoints six. The Governor's appointments have been in a position from day one to stop this mess. They didn't do it. The historical facts are that since Mayor Washington was elected, he has only had two appointments to this Board. The other mayoral appointments were appointed by the previous Mayor. So clearly, Mayor Washington has not been in a position to do literally anything at the Fair Authority. This has been the Governor's show. Now here's the second chapter. This facility is located in Chicago. It's been there for how many years? It was built under an agreement between a Governor and a Mayor, that said that the Mayor of Chicago would have an equal voice in the operations of this Authority. This Bill is simple. It simply says, let the Governor, whose appointments haven't done a damn thing to stop this mess, just take over complete control, so that nobody will be in a position to stop him; nobody will be in a position to ask any intelligent questions; nobody will be in a position to stop what might happen again just as it has happened in the last few months. That's what this is all about. First it's a smoke screen, a cover-up. Now it's a takeover, a bald takeover for no legitimate reason. I don't plan to support this Bill. I'll tell you, Mr. Daniels, I think your Bill will pass and then it will go to the Senate. And I hope it 122  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day June 29, 1985 goes to the Governor, and then we go to the Governor and we'll say, "Mr. Governor, is this how we plan to build Illinois?" Are we going to build Illinois by stripping assets away from the City of Chicago? Well, I'm sure the Governor's listening right now, and Mr. Governor, there will be no building of Illinois under these conditions. Mr. Governor. Good luck, Mr. Governor. Good luck, Mr. Daniels."

"The Lady from Cook, Ms. Pullen."

"We heard a previous speaker on a previous Motion say something about political posturing or a political show. If there's been any such in this House today, we just heard it now. How in the life... for the life of me I could figure out that a Bill to restructure and reform McCormick Place and prevent future scandals and overruns such as are wracking that place today could be considered a cover-up, I just can't figure that out. This Bill is long overdue. The issue has finally come to a head because of the performance of the administration of McCormick Place. The issue has come to a head, Ladies and Gentlemen, and the time is now to do something about it. Year after year, the people in this Body are asked to appropriate money, to pour money into McCormick Place. It is a worthy institution in its purpose, but there has been no accountability in that place. This Bill will provide accountability. This Bill says that if the state is expected to pour all of its resources into McCormick Place, then the state ought to be able to control what goes on there. The people on this floor ought to be able to control what goes on there if we are expected year after year to cough up dough for McCormick Place. I urge an 'aye' vote on this Bill, and those who would not vote for this Bill are truly voting to continue McCormick Place as it is - a shame, a shame and a 123  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day ripoff of the taxpayers. Vote 'yes'."

June 29, 1985 "The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Cullerton."

"Yes, would the Sponsor yield?"

"Indicates he'll yield for questions."

"Representative Daniels. Representative Daniels, on page 36 and 37 and 38 of your Amendment #3, you seem to strike... Well, all three of those pages strike language from the existing Act dealing with contracts. And you strike such things as requiring competitive bidding for supplies and services for anything greater than five thousand dollars. And you replace it with the Act being subject to the State of Illinois Purchasing Act. Could you tell me whether that... what's in the Purchasing Act and how that differs from the McCormick Place Act?"

"The purpose of that provision, of course, was not to write into special law any special provisions relating to McCormick Place. The Purchasing Act under Illinois law has been interpreted on many occasions. It's the advice of counsel, who drafted this Amendment, that the Purchasing Act is a more appropriate facility under this quasi-state agency that would be formed."

"But wouldn't we have the effect though in some cases of... of taking standards which are very tight such as requiring competitive bidding for anything over five thousand dollars and replacing it with state... current state law which might be a higher level?"

"We don't think so."

"Well, I can tell you, for one, that with regard to the State Purchasing Act, definitely does not go as low as five thousand dollars. It's twice as high as I recall, so that might be a problem with regard to this new state agency in... in allowing for bids, noncompetitive bids, for products. I just point that out because we do strike three 124  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day June 29, 1985 full pages of very rigid requirements concerning the bidding with regard to McCormick Place. I also would just indicate that at least this Amendment which does delete Amendment #1, which was adopted, is somewhat of an improvement in that Amendment #1 allowed for the Governor to have all the appointments. This does have the Mayor having some appointments, but it once again, as Speaker Madigan indicated, just ignores the fact that the current Board cannot operate without the approval of the Governor. And if there are any problems with regard to the Board as we have already indicated in your previous Resolutions where you spoke about the... and you questioned the expertise of the members of the Board, then the blame clearly should be on the Governor. And the response in this Amendment to give the Governor total control is just really ludicrous. For that reason. I would rise in opposition to the Gentleman's Bill."

"Further discussion? The Lady from Cook, Ms. Braun."

"Thank you. Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. There's not a person here who wants to stand up in support of incompetence, or graft or corruption. But it's really curious to me that the Governor's response to the alleged incompetence, and graft and corruption at McCormick Place that his Board, his Board, Ladies and Gentlemen. oversaw is to suggest legislation that will give him a better opportunity to control graft, and corruption and incompetence at McCormick Place. This is nothing more or less than a power grab, changing the rules in the middle of the game, taking away from the Mayor of the City of Chicago any opportunity whatsoever to have any input in the operation and management of that facility. I think it is a wrong direction. It is a hotheaded, irresponsible response 125  65th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 29, 1985 to a situation which concerns us all, and I would encourage a 'no' vote on Senate Bill 1454 in its present form."

"The Gentleman from Jersey, Mr. Ryder."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My point is very simple. It's the citizens of the entire State of Illinois that are paying for the construction of McCormick Place. It is the citizens of the entire State of Illinois that are being asked to foot the bill for the additional fifty-five or sixty million dollars. I'm not here to cast blame. That's why we've got an audit and that's why we're going to have an investigation. And if blame is to be placed, then so be it. But when one talks about a takeover or a power grab, then let's see what one has contributed. And I submit to you that the City of Chicago has not, by itself, contributed to the construction of McCormick Place or to the annex. And when there was cost overruns and a cry and a crisis, we didn't go to the Mayor of Chicago. They didn't go to the City Council of Chicago. They came to the General Assembly where 100% of that money has come in the first place. When one talks about a power grab, one should talk about accountability and responsibility. The citizens of the State of Illinois are reclaiming that which is rightfully theirs."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Ronan."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. It's the most amazing debate I've heard today, but I'm sure we're going to hear better things later on. Reform is reform, and if we truly want reform, we've got an audit set up. We've got the procedures set up and now we can do something about looking into this investigation. But a power grab is a power grab. And what the Governor is trying to do through his people here on the... on the Republican side of the aisle is take control over a Board 126  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day June 29, 1985 that he's already had tremendous influence over. Let's look at some of the people who serve on that Board. We've got U.S. attorneys going in and out of that place so fast I can't even keep straight who is the U.S. attorney and who was the U.S. attorney, because whenever the Governor switches them, they go on and off the Board. Now if that Board hasn't been functioning, let's look and see who's been put on it. We know who those people are. There's no sense in mentioning names. All you do is look at all the U.S. attorneys who've been there, have been there and on their way there. If they're not doing their job, it'll come out in an audit. But why should you take away a long standing tradition of appointments? And why should the Governor get control over another entity that he's already had a lot of control over in the past? Let's look at the facts. The facts are if mistakes happen, that Board wasn't doing its job and you've had supposedly some of the most competent legal minds and some of the greatest investigators of all time serving on that Board. If they didn't do their job it's going to come out over the next couple of months of investigations. But at that same time, using that phony excuse to have a power grab on the part of the Governor of the State of Illinois is wrong. It's not the kind of public policy that we should be establishing, and I cannot believe that any Member on this side of the aisle who really cares about reform is going to allow it to happen. I urge a 'no' vote on this proposal. It's a grandstand play the last day of the Session. Let's get about the people's business so we can get out of here tomorrow night. I don't want to be here next week. Let's get this over with. Let's defeat a bad Bill so we can leave tomorrow night and go back to our districts. Thank you very much." 127  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day June 29, 1985

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Shaw."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. But I... I agree with some of the previous speakers on this side of the aisle. Everyone want reform. And while we talking about this reform. we might inform the Governor that... about the building... the Concordia Building over at the Department of Correction that's the Concordia Computer Center. A few months ago, they could have bought that for five million dollars for the whole building, but yet the Governor choose to pay almost over three million dollars a year for that building. And I don't see why the Minority Leader won't include that in his package. Maybe we should take that building and send it up to Chicago, rather than take McCormick Place and give it to the Governor. I think if you want real reform, you should do that, Mr. Minority Leader and the Governor. You might go down and discuss it with the Governor. There's no way that you could have bought a building for five million dollars and you chose to pay three point some million dollars rent on the building a year. Why don't you go down and confer with the Governor about that?"

"The Gentleman from Lake, Mr. Matijevich."

"Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen, I move the previous question."

"The Gentleman from Lake, Mr. Matijevich, moves the main question be put. Those in favor say 'aye', opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the ayes have it. The main question will be put. Mr. Daniels to close."

"Well, the real issue before us is really reform. The real issue is protection of taxpayers dollars. The real issue is how do we want to make sure that a 252 million dollar bond issue that we authorized last year and in less than one year a request for 60 million dollars more... Is 128  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day June 29, 1985 there a Member of this House that could suggest that that's appropriate? Is there a Member of this House that would want to be connected with this kind of activity? I don't think so. And reform - let's talk about reform. The current structure that we have right now allowed for six mayoral appointments and six gubernatorial appointments in electing their chairman, who happens to have been appointed by the Mayor, to operate McCormick Place - a chairman that has some veto authority over the Board to conduct the Board operation in such a manner that they ignored the very principles of good government. They didn't comply with an auditing Act, a cyclical audit. They didn't comply with Open Meetings Act. Did you hear about the meeting at 7:00 in the morning where the cost overruns first came out on a Saturday morning? Did any member of the public get an opportunity to come out and attend that meeting at 7:00 in the morning? You didn't hear about that, cause you weren't there, and neither was any other member of the public there. We require the Board to file resolutions on Board meetings and definite times. Do you know about how to get hold of the records? No, you don't know how to get hold of the records, but the reform measure before you provides for the Freedom of Information Act to be applicable to the McCormick Place operation and to file governmental ethics statements and to be required to file the conflict of interest laws of the State of Illinois as far as the Purchasing Act as well. And yes, the general manager of McCormick Place, unlike previous time, must now... must now be a full-time employee of McCormick Place. Did you know. Did you know that he wasn't a full time employee of McCormick Place? You didn't know it, did you? Well, you know now, and the reform measure would apply for it. So why... So why, I ask you, is anybody in this House opposed 129  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day June 29, 1985 to the reform structure or opposed to the reformation of the Board operation or opposed to the State of Illinois having actual responsibility over the operation of McCormick Place? I ask you why, and you know why some Members may be opposed to the reform. The reason is politics and politics as usual. And Ladies and Gentlemen, you all have the ability now to stop that operation and to entrust your vote and your responsibility so that your constituents, whether they be from Centralia or from other districts of this state or from the furthest point in the southern tip of Illinois, you have an opportunity to protect the taxpayers' dollar. Representative Kubik said it earlier - 55 million dollars, 55 million dollars more on top of the 252 million dollars that they spent in one year, in one year they spent. Protect your constituents, regardless of where they come from. Join in this reform, and join in the passage. And thank you for your support."

"The question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is now open, and this is final action. Lady from Champaign, one minute to explain your vote."

"Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, I'm sorry that I didn't have an opportunity to ask some questions for further clarification, but I have learned in the 11 years down here that things that are called reform are frequently traps instead. And so in order to avoid the possible trap of having now a state facility for which we will already be obligated to bail the facility out of its deficit, I'm going to vote 'present' because I did not support the original bond authorization for the expansion of McCormick Place, and I don't plan to expand on that with a bail out. And so I vote 'present'."

"The Gentleman from Champaign, Mr. Johnson, one 130  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day June 29, 1985 minute to explain your vote."

"From Cairo to Rockford, your citizens and your constituents are paying taxes to support the activities of McCormick Place. And I would ask downstate Legislators in particular that when they go home and their constituents ask them how they spent their money, and you tell them that you voted to fund McCormick Place and let it be run by local politicians who have no responsiveness to your taxpayers, and your constituents are paying the bill, I suggest that you're going to have a hard time explaining that. And that every downstate Legislator, who represents the taxpayers of his district, ought to enthusiastically vote for this Bill to provide accountability so that the people in Cairo and Rockford and everywhere in between can control the money that their taxpayers are giving to McCormick Place to spend. This is a big issue, and you ought to look at your vote real carefully."

"The Gentleman from Livingston, Mr. Ewing, one minute to explain your vote."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I think there is a real similarity between what we're doing here today and what we had to do a couple years ago for the RTA and a couple years ago for the Chicago School System. We've had to bail them out. We've had to pass reform packages here before, and they've worked well. This is another example of the need to do that. An analogy, which I'd like to make, is that none of us in operating our families would continue to open the checkbook and give an open pocketbook to our children in the McCormick Place, in the City of Chicago Schools, in the RTA, our children in the State of Illinois without some accountability. We're asking for accountability here. Vote "yes" for a good Bill." 131  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day

"Mr. Stephens, one minute explain your vote." to declare... to

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Leadership on the other side of the aisle has tried to draw attention away from the real issue here. And on behalf of the people of the 110th District, I'm proud to vote "yes" on this Senate Bill 1454. It's the second time this week I've seen the Democratic Leadership stand up and point their finger across the aisle and say that they've got a better idea, that they've got a better solution. And you criticize a good Republican Bill. I wonder where their Bill is. I wonder where their Resolution is. I wonder where their votes are. It's clear to me that the real Leadership in this House resides on this side of the aisle, and I congratulate those green votes."

"Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 78 voting 'aye', 34 voting 'no', 6 voting 'present'. This Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Yes, Mr. Daniels. Mr. Vinson."

"Mr. Speaker, I would ask that you declare this Bill passed with the Extraordinary Majority required by the Constitution."

"This Bill, having received a... a appropriate Extraordinary Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed."

"Thank you."

"Sure. Alright. Mr. Cullerton, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"

"Yes, I have an inquiry of the Chair and perhaps of the Clerk. Has this Bill and the Amendment #3 been reproduced and placed on the desk of each Member before this final passage?" 132  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day Speaker Greiman: former... Member?" June 29, 1985 "Mr. Clerk, has Amendment #3... was that in its final version, placed on the desk of each

"Neither Amendment #2 or 3 have been distributed."

"The answer is no. Amendment #3... Neither Amendment #2 or 3 were on the desk of the Members at the time of the passage of this Bill, Mr. Cullerton."

"Thank you. Mr. Speaker, I believe that Article..."

"Thank you. Mr. Cullerton, we're going to move on the next Order of Business. On the Order of Concurrence, Special Call - State and... Yes, Mr. Madigan."

"Mr. Speaker, I rise for the purpose of an announcement to our friend, Mr. Thompson, down in his bunker on the second floor. I hereby cancel our 2:00 meeting, Mr. Governor, the meeting that was called on Build Illinois. Thank you."

"On the Order of Special Call - State and Local Government on the Order of Concurrence appears House Bill 1847, Ms. Currie. Ms. Currie."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. I believe we discussed this measure before we went to a different Order of Business, so I would simply renew my Motion that the House do concur in Senate Amendment 1 to House Bill 1847."

"Excuse me, Ms. Currie. Mr. Davis, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"

"Well, I have an inquiry. Mr. Speaker. What Order of Business are we on?"

"Mr. Davis, we are on the Order of Concurrence, Special Call - State and Local Government..."

"Special Call..."

"... which is where we were at the time that we took Mr. McPike's Bill. He are now going to the next Bill 133  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEHBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day on that Order." June 29, 1985

"Is that a listed Order on a Supplemental Calendar?"

"It is a listed Order on a Special Subject Matter Call. It has been... And Subject Matter Calls have been provided to your Leadership. They are aware of it. You might go over and speak with them. Mr. McCracken, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I wonder if the Sponsor would briefly just remind us of what the Bill does."

"Ms. Currie, proceed."

"Happy to, Mr. Speaker and Representative McCracken. The underlying Bill deals with a Supreme Court decision, Illinois Supreme Court decision, that made it unlikely that in a case in which the assessor had made error the local governments could recover taxes without also recovering penalties and interest payments. In the situation in which an individual taxpayer was not guilty of fraud, there... it is unlikely that a court would impose penalty and interest payments because of assessor clerical error. What this Bill does is to say he taxes themselves will still be owing even if penalty and interest assessments are not appropriate."

"The Lady from Cook moves that the House concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 1847. And on that, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall the House concur in Senate Amendment #1?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is now open, and this will be final action. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 105 voting 'aye', 1 voting 'no', 1 voting 'present', and this... Mr. Tuerk votes 'aye'. 106 voting 'aye', 1 voting 'no', 1 voting present. This Bill, having received a 134  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day June 29, 1985 Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. And the House does concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 1847. On the Order of Concurrences - Special Call appears House Bill 1849, Ms. Currie. Ms. Currie on 1849."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. I move the House do concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 1849. The underlying legislation creates a program for both municipal and shared municipal and county... work together on... on land resource management. The Bill is entirely permissive. The Senate Amendment had the effect of taking out unnecessary language in the Bill as it passed this chamber, language that might have raised questions about the authority of additional units of government who have control over their own property. I'd be happy to answer questions, and I would appreciate your support for the concurrence..."

"The Lady from Cook moves that the House do concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 1849. And on that, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from DuPage, Mr. McCracken."

"Contrary to what you're thinking, Mr. Speaker, we're not engaging in any other tactics. I address myself to the Bill."

"I never thought you did."

"Will the Sponsor yield?"

"Yes."

"Alright. To... To... To the Bill as originally enacted or passed with your Amendment. Currently do these municipalities and counties have this authority or was this Act promulgated out of a necessity for authorizing them to so Act?"

"It... It is unclear whether there would be statutory authority for the kind of... of joint planning process 135  65th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 29, 1985 envisioned by this Bill. This was the... the remnants of a Commission report of four years ago - the Local Land Management Resource Planning Commission that had been a particular issue of former Representative Dick Mugalian. The Bills, when first introduced, were sponsored by myself and by Representative Clarence Neff, from your side of the aisle, someone who is no longer a Member of this chamber either. The Bills have undergone a great many revisions and in fact, this Session they are not opposed by the Municipal League or other groups that in the past had been concerned that the Bills were too far reaching in their implications."

"Alright, now the Senate Amendment, in your opinion, then would limit the Authority in its condemnation rights and zoning rights."

"I think, in fact, the language that was removed by Senate Amendment was rather more hortatory than meaningful. But because there were local governments, not themselves even municipalities or counties, who feared that that language might limit their own authority over issues that have otherwise been granted them, we took that language out."

"Alright, and that's the only point I'm trying to make. For the record, this does not preempt or supersede any ordinance or other local authority relative to this type of issue."

"It does not."

"Alright. And that includes annexation rights."

"That is my understanding, Representative."

"Alright, thank you."

"There being no further discussion, the question is, 'Shall the House concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 1849?' All in favor signify by voting 'aye', those 136  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day June 29, 1985 opposed vote 'no". This is final action. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are... 103 voting 'aye'. 9 voting 'no', none voting 'present'. And this Bill, having received... I'm sorry. Mr. Mulcahey. On this... Mr. Piel votes 'aye'. There are 104 voting 'aye', 9 voting 'no', none voting 'present', and the House does concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 1849. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Yes, Mr. Mulcahey."

"Mr. Speaker, an inquiry of the Chair, please. What Order of Business are we on right now?"

"We are on the Order of Special Call - State and Local Government Concurrence."

"Okay. And how do we know which Bill is going to be next? Do we have a copy of that Special Order of Call?"

"Well, I'm not sure whether it's been distributed or not frankly. What I will..."

"Mr. Speaker, I..."

"Yes."

"Mr. Speaker, I would... I would ask that the Membership get a copy of the Special Order of Call now and also whatever we go to in the future."

"Yes, I think that would be appropriate. Mr. Clerk, we will furnish the Members with a Special Order of Call which the Parliamentarian will provide you. The next Bills, however... I will just read off the next three Bills or so on the list so we can continue going on that. 1889, Mr. Leverenz. 1914, Mr. Steczo. And 1925, Ms. Didrickson. Mr. Davis, yes, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"

"Mr. Speaker, an inquiry of the Chair and perhaps of the Chair's staff. How... How is it determined what is a state 137  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day and local concurrence, Mr. Speaker?"

"Special subject matter."

"I understand that. But I mean, how is it the Calendar on Concurrences? June 29, 1985 determined on Is it by subject matter inclusive totally of all state and local matters that are on Concurrence?"

Speaker Greiman: "Special Call by subject matter. On the Order..."

"Mr. Speaker."

"On that Special Call... Yes, Mr..."

"House Bill 1918 remains on the Calendar, and you apparently have left it off the Call. I'm sure that must have been inadvertent. But if you could, Sir, we would get to that before 1925, and I would appreciate your on this Special Subject Matter."

"We'll check it out."

"It is a state and local government issue." inclusion

"On the Order of Special... State and Local Government appears House Bill 1889. And on that, Mr. Leverenz. Mr. Leverenz. Out of the record. On the Order of House Bills Special Call - State and Local Government appears House Bill 1914, Mr. Steczo."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. House Bill 1914 in its original form, as it left this House, provided for the annexation of eight parcels of property in south suburban Cook County to the Metropolitan Sanitary District. At the request of Representative Kirkland, the Senate Amendment provided the annexation of an additional two parcels of property in his district, and I would move for the concurrence to Senate Amendment #2 to House Bill 1914."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Steczo, moves that the House concur in Senate Amendment #2 to House Bill 1914. 138  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day June 29, 1985 And on that, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall the House concur in Senate Amendment #2 to House Bill 1914?' All in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is now open, and this is final action. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, 107 voting... 108 voting 'aye', none voting 'no', none... 3 voting 'present', and the House does concur in Senate Amendment #2 to House Bill 1914. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. I'm advised that Ms. Stern is a hyphenated Cosponsor of 1889. On the... Ms. Stern, on House Bill 1889."

"Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, House Bill 1889 is a relatively... totally noncontroversial Bill that deals with the disposal of 28 slivers of land accumulated over the years by the Cook County Forest Preserve, little chunks that lie between the tollway and the forest preserve, little pieces left over from various developments. We concur in the Amendment which removed one of the 20, I guess at that time, 29 pieces. I urge an 'aye' vote on Concurrence."

"The Lady from Lake moves that the House do concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 1889. And on that, is there any discussion? There being none... Yes, Mr. McCracken, the Gentleman from DuPage."

"Would the Sponsor yield?"

"Indicates that she will."

"Alright. Would you explain again? I'm sorry. The noise... Only now have we quieted down. I didn't hear a word you said. Could... Could you explain that briefly?"

"I'd be happy to, Mr. McCracken. This is a Bill that permits the Cook County Forest Preserve to dispose of 28 139  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day June 29, 1985 slivers of land that has been accumulated over the years, little leftover pieces from where the tollway went through and severed a... an area, assorted bits of that sort. The Amendment in the Senate dealt with removing one particular piece from the list. That's all, and we concur."

"Okay. And there's no money involved?"

"At the moment no money, no."

"Oh, oh, oh, it authorizes them to sell." tfh;7

"To dispose it, right."

"Very good. Thank you."

"You bet."

"Further discussion? The Gentleman from Macon, Mr. Dunn."

"Well, Mr. Speaker, just a suggestion. We were trying to expedite the Order of the... Business of the House, and I wonder if we might just consider taking all the Bills on this Special Order of Concurrence and all the Bills on all the Special Orders yet to be announced and just do them all in one Roll Call. Why... Why don't we just do that?"

"I'm sorry, Mr. Dunn. Was that a question to the Chair? The question is... is there any further discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall the House concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 1889?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is now open, and this is final action. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 116 voting 'aye', none voting 'no', none voting 'present'. And the House does concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 1889. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Breslin in the Chair."

"Representative Didrickson on Senate Bill... 140  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day House Bill 1925. Didrickson: June 29, 1985 It appears on page six on your Calendar." "Thank you, Madam Speaker, Members of the House. House Bill 1925, as it went out, made certain changes in the compact on mental health with regards to interstate transfers, number one. Number two, it amended the... Confidentiality Act. And number three, it also codified existing practices of releasing clients to a community based residential group home. There was some concern with regards to amending the Confidentiality Act. I promised that we would work on a Senate Amendment. We were unable to clarify the language so that all parties agreed so we have amended out the portion on the Confidentiality Act, and so I move to concur with Senate Amendment 21."

"The Lady has moved that the House concur in Senate Amendment 21 to House Bill 1925. On that question, the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Cullerton."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I just rise to compliment Representative Didrickson on her Motion, to indicate that I concur with her and to point out that even though our Leaders of our Parties may not get along that you and I still do. And those of us down in the... in the... lower in the ranks go about the business of the House responsibly and without any... without any fighting, and it's refreshing. We're out here, no acrimony. We're out here working. They're back there doing whatever they do, and it's refreshing."

"Representative Cullerton, we make a great Cook County team. Thank you very much."

"That's right. Thank you. Thanks for your vote, until Vinson got you to change."

"The Gentleman from DuPage, Representative McCracken."

"Will the Sponsor yield?" 141  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASS EMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day

June 29, 1985 "She will yield for a question."

"To your knowledge, was the Senate Amendment to which you concur the suggestion of Representative Cullerton?"

"It... We could not agree on language and so yes, I had promised him that we would strike it completely."

"I... I think he's very open-minded in congratulating you on accepting his Amendment."

"The question is, 'Shall the House concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 1925?* All those in favor vote "aye", all those opposed vote "no". Voting is open. This is final passage. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 113 voting 'aye', 1 voting 'no' and none voting "present", and the House does concur in Senate Amendment 31 to House Bill 1925. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 1928, Representative Olson. Where's Representative Olson? Out of the record. House Bill 1933, Representative Kirkland."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. I move to concur in Senate Amendment #1 which adds to the Bill the substance of House Bill... excuse me, Senate Bill 1260 that went out of here unanimously. The original Bill amends the Explosive Act and Conservation of Oil and Gas Act, raising magazine owner permit fees, extending explosives possession licenses ses from one year to three years, raising bond requirements for coal, gas and oil and drilling lease... leases and so forth. The Amendment is... defines who is entitled to payment and who must pay royalty fees for connection with the production of oil and gas. Establishes a schedule for such payment. Provides that the interest that must be paid if payments are not made within the schedule and other terms. I move for passage... move for concurrence." 142  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day June 29, 1985

"The Gentleman has moved to concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 1933. Is there any discussion? Hearing none, the question is, 'Shall the House concur in Senate Amendment 21 to House Bill 1933? All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. This is final action. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 114 voting 'aye', none voting 'no', none voting 'present', and the House does concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 1933. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 1951 appears on page six on your Calendar, Representative Stange."

"Thank you. Madam Chairman (sic - Speaker). I move to concurrence on House Bill 1951. The purpose of this House Bill 1951 is to empower the Director of Central Management Services to develop a plan for providing alternative employment for employees who have become disabled, either service or nonservice connected. It was amended in the Senate to provide that the plan be voluntary, and nonparticipation would not... preclude the employee from receiving benefits either from workmens' comp or the retirement system. This Amendment was added at the request of AFSCME to take care of its problem with the basic Bill. I move for concurrence on House Bill... Senate Bill 1951."

"The Gentleman has moved to concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 1951. And on the question, the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Cullerton."

"Yes, would the Sponsor yield?"

"He will."

"The... My question is concerning the addition of the collect... the language dealing with collective bargaining. Has that at the request of AFSCHE?" 143  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day

"That's correct."

"That these new plans would be June 29, 1985 subject to the collective bargaining agreement. Is that what that Amendment does?"

"They will be voluntary. voluntary." The whole program is

"Alright, thank you."

"There being no further discussion, the question is, 'Shall the House concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 1951?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. This is final action. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 116 voting 'aye', none voting 'no' and none voting 'present'. And this House concurs in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 1951. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 1952 appears on page seven on your Calendar, Representative Oblinger."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. This is a Bill that amends the State Employees Group Insurance Act and makes the contribution rate equal to that from the GRF or the Road Fund for the other systems except the university systems, the Agricultural Premium Fund and the Fire Prevention Fund. Senate Amendment 2, which is on this Bill and which I wish to concur with, only adds the word for a definition of plan so that the State Group Employees Insurance can consider among other things wellness, utilization and second opinion and medical fee reviews."

"The Lady moves to concur in Senate Amendment #2 to House Bill 1952. And on the question, the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Cullerton."

"Will the Sponsor yield?" 144  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day

"She will." June 29, 1985

"Representative Oblinger. is your House Amendment #1 still on the Bill?"

"Pardon?"

"Is your House Amendment #1 still on the Bill?"

"Yes, that went into... to the Senate Amendment. It is off."

"It is off? It is on?"

"He explains that it is still on the Bill, but it has been revised."

"Do you remember me questioning you about this Bill when we first passed it, and I asked you why you were accepting Amendment #1? And I think you admitted that it seriously dilutes the purposes of your Bill."

"Is that the one that exempted the funds that were university systems, Agricultural Premium Fund and the Fire Prevention Fund?"

"Yeah, remember that?"

"Yes. That came back in Amendment #2."

"And they're still exempt, aren't they?"

"Yes."

"They're still exempt, right?"

"Yes."

"And you're... Who... Who was it that got you to do this?"

"It was... It was the universities that requested this, Sir. It was not my idea. It was their idea, and they requested this."

"Alright, now this Bill is a very significant Bill, isn't it? Because we're going to save a lot of money."

"Yes."

"We're going to save, I think, something like 15,000,000 dollars. How much are we going to save?" 145  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day

"He assures me that we lose one way but we save 15,000,000. June 29, 1985 million through this Yes, you're right."

"And if we didn't exempt out the universities, we would save 45,000,000?"

"No, one million more."

"Oh, one million, okay. Well, it's better than nothing. Is that better than nothing."

"Yes." basically

"Yes, thank you." what you're saying? It's

"The question is, 'Shall the House concur in Senate Amendment #2 to House Bill 1952?' All those in favor vote 'aye", all those opposed vote 'no". Voting is open. This is final passage. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 116 voting 'aye", none voting "no" and none voting 'present'. And the House concurs in Senate Amendment #2 to House Bill 1952. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 1974, Representative Wait. It appears on page seven on your Calendar. Representative Wait."

"Thank you. Mr... Madam Speaker. House Bill 1974 was just a technical Amendment, and then in the Senate, they added... would raise the allowable limit from five cents to ten cents to match the matching fund... to match the federal matching funds."

"The Gentleman has moved to concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 1974. On the question, Representative Cullerton."

"Yes, would the Sponsor yield?"

"He will."

"Representative Wait, the Bill as we passed out of 146  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day Wait: June 29, 1985 here was basically a... a shell Bill. Is that correct?" "No, it was actually a Bill to correct a technical problem. IDOT gave me the Bill, and they assured me that it was not a shell Bill, that it was an honest, sincere problem that they had."

"Well, it... sure it was because it corrected incorrect cross-references to other Sections of the Act. But this... this Bill only deals with the Highway Code. Is that right?"

"Yes, I believe so."

"And the changes that it makes are changes in the Township and the Road Districts' Road Article. Now, as I understand the Senate Amendment, and I'm for it, by the way. I want you to know I am from Chicago, and I will be happy to vote for this... this Bill because I don't think it will increase the taxes in my- district. But, as I understand it, this Amendment that the Senate put on raises the maximum rate. Well, it double it. It doubles the tax. What type of a tax is this? Property tax?"

"Yes, this is a property tax. It would match the... It would be a matching fund tax. There's three different taxes they have locally: a bridge tax, a roads tax and a matching tax to match the federal money that we get."

"Right. So in other words, the more we raise our

"No, actually, for taxes, we get an equal amount from the Federal Government?" every dollar we spend locally, we get two-and-a-half times from the Federal Government."

"Okay. So all we're doing here is doubling our own property tax or your own property tax for the downstaters so that we will get more money, a two to one ratio from the Federal Government."

"Okay. We are just raising the cap here. We are not passing onto the property owners. It would be left up to 147  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day June 29, 1985 the county board. The county board would have to vote it."

"Of course, that's what we do when we raise... That's the first step that we take when we raise taxes."

"It would be similar to the sales tax we're talking about, authorizing the county board to raise it."

"Right, now, I want you to know that I'm only raising these questions so that if there happens to be anybody in the room who don't... who normally doesn't like to vote for raising taxes, property taxes especially, that they could vote no. But of course, I'm going to support it because I know that... that it's very important downstate to have good strong roads for those big trucks. And I'm... I'm in favor of supporting... I hope you get enough votes to pass it."

"The Gentleman..."

"But I want to point out that if anyone is... Excuse me, Madam Speaker, I'm almost finished. I want to point out that if anyone who is from downstate who doesn't... isn't in the mood to raise their property taxes, they may want to vote 'no' or 'present'."

"The Gentleman from... The Gentleman from Macon, Representative Dunn. The Gentleman from Bureau, Representative Mautino."

"Will the Gentleman yield for questions?"

"He will."

"Representative Wait, by concurring with the Amendment, you are providing for an increase in taxes on property tax for the Road Fund of the township. Is that not correct?"

"Yes, that is correct."

"That means that what the Amendment does is say to those people in the city, your taxes will be increased, and it will not benefit your roads because the roads are covered by the city portion and not the township or county portion. 148  65th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 29, 1985 Is that correct?

"I... I'm not sure on that to tell you the truth."

"Well, I think the answer's yes. And you're saying to the people in the rural community, "We will tax your personal property, your homestead and three acres. We will double that." And the result will be an increased motor fuel tax allocation for the roads in the country. Is that not correct?"

"Yes, that could be so."

"To the... To the Motion on Concurrence, if I may, Madam Speaker."

"Proceed."

"As a downstater who is as well vitally concerned with the road programs, maintenance and construction, I stand in opposition to providing the county board or the township board to increase this tax without referendum and only by resolution. There is a difference to it. What you are proposing here is that those people in the cities and the urban areas have their real estate taxes increased for the betterment of the Motor Fuel Tax Fund of the township in the county when, in fact, almost all of the townships and the counties have not only the Road Fund but the Bridge Fund as well. And in many of the downstate counties, that is the most lucrative Fund that they have to operate with. I understand full well your attempt to help those areas, but you are, in fact, asking for a disproportionate amount of funds to be provided by the urban area for expenditures on the township and county roads without having the benefit of the referendum by those people who would be paying 80 to 90% of the new tax, and I stand in opposition to the concurrence on 1974."

"Representative Wait, to close."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. I would just ask support on 149  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day this. This June 29, 1985 county board to people. Those basically would allow the decide what is proper and fair for their people are elected by the... by the local residents of that community, and they then, if they didn't like it, if they felt they were not being properly treated on their taxes, then, needless to say, they would kick these people out next time around. It's returning to the local government the local say that we think down here that oftentimes we take away from. And I would simply ask for a favorable vote on this."

"The question is, "Shall the House concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 1974?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. This is final action. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Representative Homer. Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 34 voting 'aye", 71 voting 'no' and 11 voting 'present'. Representative Wait now moves to nonconcur."

"Nonconcur, please."

"The Gentleman moves to nonconcur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 1974. Is there any discussion? Hearing none, the question is, "Shall the House nonconcur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 1974?" All those in favor say 'aye", all those opposed say "nay. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the House nonconcurs in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 1974. House Bill 2132 appears on page seven on your Calendar. Representative Ryder."

"Thank you, Madam Chairman (sic Speaker). On House Bill 2132, I move to concur. The original Bill tagged on CMS expenditures to GSA pricing. The Senate Democrats attached language which clarified that this can only be done in the 150  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day June 29, 1985 event that there is a savings or an amount equal to what would have been accomplished under competitive bidding. I move to concur."

"The Gentleman moves to concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2132. On the question, Representative Mautino."

"Will the Gentleman yield?"

"He will."

"Representative Ryder, does this exempt anyone from competitive bidding in this state for purchases or services provided?"

"No, it does not."

"It does not exempt anyone from the bidding process. Is that correct?"

"That's correct."

"Does it exempt any goods and services from the bidding process?"

"This Bill simply tags GSA pricing, which has been determined to be acceptable, on the kinds of supplies - and we're talking about adding machines, cash registers, that sort of thing. Okay?"

"The question is, 'Shall the House concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2132?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? This is final passage. Have all voted who wish? Representative Homer, would you punch my switch please? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 118 voting 'aye', none voting 'no' and none voting 'present'. And the House concurs in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2132. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 2259, Representative Greiman. It appears on page 151  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day June 29, 1985 eight on your Calendar. Representative Greiman."

"Thank you, Speaker. This Bill is returned with an Amendment that merely... it keeps the Bill in its good condition that it... that it left, but merely extends to the City of Chicago the right to require certification as to water charges. And I would have no objection. I would move that the House do concur with Senate Amendment #1."

"The Gentleman moves to concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2259. Is there any discussion? The Gentleman from DuPage, Representative McCracken."

"Parliamentary inquiry."

"State your inquiry."

"Does this require an Extraordinary Majority to concur in light of the fact it limits home rule? I... I'm not necessarily opposed to the Bill. I'm just making the inquiry."

"We... We will look at the Bill. In the meantime... Representative Mautino."

"Okay, then I... I have a question of the Sponsor then."

"Okay. Proceed then, Representative McCracken."

"I suppose it's not worth killing the Bill, but, you know, that water payment clear up in the City in order of effect a real estate closing is a pain. Now, the City's gone to great lengths to computerize and make... make that available so that we can close our real estate transfers in accordance with the parties wishes. Why extend that?"

"That's why... Well, that's why I... I was willing to extend it, because the truth is that the City's water tax involvement is not at all difficult to... to handle. It's the... And it doesn't... doesn't impact on the other... the root of the problem that I sought to alleviate with the Bill. The first place, the place where the City's water 152  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day June 29, 1985 department is is right in the same building the recorder of deeds is and across the street from the title company. And it makes it a little easier."

"I'm sorry. I... I agree that the City's gone to great lengths to facilitate that. But I mean, why extend it? Is it... Is it a problem generally?"

"For... For the City's water?"

"For other cities."

"Yes. Yes. They... They just... They have imposed... You mean the essence of the Bill. That's the essence of the Bill. The other cities have imposed upon people who are buying and selling real estate... just foolish conditions on perfectly... prepared to reluctantly pay the transfer tax to communities. Absolutely, let's do it. But let's just have it like we have real estate, you know, revenue. It's a revenue producing thing. And each... It is impossible to... to work on real estate in Cook County in any sane fashion. One... One says you have to present the deed first. Des Plaines says you have to put all kinds of... the survey and the title policy. All I want to do is pay the real estate transfer tax, and they make it really a very cumbersome way. I don't know if you do real estate transactions, but it is very cumbersome. I'm perfectly willing to give them their... their tax."

"Okay."

"Representative Mautino."

"Representative Greiman, question if I may."

"Yes."

"Since you are prohibiting the imposition of real estate... prohibits home rule municipalities from imposing real estate transfer tax unless payment...

"No."

"Isn't that the Bill in its original form?" 153  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day

June 29, 1985 "No, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, no. It just says that we... that if they want to charge a tax, they can charge a tax. It prohibits essentially all kinds of other obligations that they might have. And it just says, you know, you can do the tax. You can buy the tax stamps, and you can put the revenue stamps on. But that's what it should be. It's a revenue producing thing. It doesn't... doesn't stop them from charging it, no."

"I was just wondering what other tax would go on there because you are prohibiting..."

"Pardon?"

"As I read the synopsis, it says you're prohibiting the establishment or imposition of a real estate transfer tax unless evidence of payment of the tax is in the form of revenue stamps. What other... What other provisions would there be?"

"Well..."

"How about trusts? Would a trust..."

"Each... No, no. Each... Each of the different... What this does, essentially it says that I can... if I have a transaction in Dalton, I can send in the 300 dollars for the transfer tax, and they'll send me a stamp and I'll put it on the deed, and I go forward. But I don't have to go out there personally, as Dalton required us to do. I don't have to send a letter of opinion, as some other community did. It just says, "Pay the tax." That's all. Thanks. I'd appreciate a Roll Call."

"The question is, "Shall the House concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 22597" On this... Every... In answer to Representative McCracken's question, the Bill does affect home rule power, and it requires 71 votes for passage. All those in favor vote "aye", all those opposed vote "no". Voting is open. This is final 154  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day June 29, 1985 Have all voted who passage. Have all voted who wish? wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 118 voting 'aye', none voting 'no' and none voting"present". And the House does concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2259. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 2273 appears on page eight on your Calendar. Representative Oblinger."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. This is the Bill that has the Golden Illini Card, which was called the Silver Passport. The expense of the issuance of the cards, the expense of the directories and the expense of contacting the merchants who will provide this service is being borne by Southwest Illinois. The Secretary of State is merely to see to it... to oversee that there is a directory prepared for the senior citizens and that everybody has a... an application available. The Senate Amendment only changed the name from Silver Saver Passport to the Senior Citizens Discount Card, and I move for the adoption of Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2273."

"The Lady moves to concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2273. Is there any discussion? Hearing none. the question is, 'Shall the House concur....' Would you clear the board. Mr. Clerk? The question is, 'Shall the House concur....' Representative Leverenz, on the question."

"Will the Sponsor yield?"

"She will."

"Does the Secretary of State still do these..."

"Pardon?"

"The Secretary of State still does this?"

"He only now is to see to it that applications are available at senior citizens sites, senior citizens centers 155  65th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 29, 1985 and that he will encourage the development of a directory for the whole state. There is no cost to the Secretary of State."

"But he's not going them mail them to all the seniors or anything like that."

"No. No, this is done by Southwest Bell."

"The Gentleman from Will..."

"Thank you."

"The Gentleman from Will, Representative Davis."

"Madam Speaker. are we still on the Order of State and Local Government - Special Subject Matter."

"We are."

"I was out of the chamber. Well, Madam Speaker, there are two Bills on the Calendar that should have been in that order, House Bill 1918 and 1934. And I can't imagine why they were. Would you please check and see when they're going to be called?"

"Representative Davis, you are... you are interrupting Representative Oblinger's Bill, and we are ready to vote on her Bill. The inquiry was not timely. The question is, 'Shall the House concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2273?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. This is final passage. Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 118 voting 'aye', none voting 'no' and none voting 'present'. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Davis has made an inquiry. In response to the inquiry, those two Bills do not appear on this Order of Call. If they are not on the Order of Call, I would suggest that you check with your Leadership. The next Bill on this Order of Call is House Bill 2310. Representative Brunsvold." 156  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day June 29, 1985

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 2310, as it left the House, simply clarified language as far as advanced payments on already appropriated funds. And the Department of Children and Family Services Amendment #1 simply added the UDIS Program to those dispersals. The Department of Children and Family Services is in support of the Bill and the Amendment, and I would ask for the concurrence on Senate Amendment #1 on House Bill 2310."

"The Gentleman moves to concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2310. And on the question, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Winnebago, Representative Hallock."

"Yes, will the Sponsor yield for a question?"

"He will."

"How does this go about achieving the goal and purpose of the Bill? What kinds of grants are these, and how do they work?"

"Well, the... the purpose of the Bill... This doesn't... You know, this doesn't change the purpose of the Bill at all. It simply adds the UDIS, Unified Delinquency Intervention Services Programs, can receive this advanced funding of already appropriated funds, and it doesn't change the Bill at all. In fact, the... the Bill, as it began, was... really rather... only claritive... in nature, and... and maybe a little redundant even in its... in its inception."

"Does this Bill in any way, shape or form deal with the problem of truancy?"

"No."

"Well, I wish it did, but thank you."

"The question is, 'Shall the House concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2310?" All those in 157  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASS EMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day June 29, 1985 favor vote 'aye", all those opposed vote 'no". Voting is open. This is final passage. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 117 voting 'aye", none voting 'no' and none voting 'present'. And the House concurs in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2310. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 2434, Representative Tate."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I move to... I move to nonconcur and send this Bill to a Conference Committee."

"Explain to the Body why."

"Well, if Representative Stern could tell me which Amendment I'm receding from."

"The Gentleman yields to Representative Stern. Representative Stern."

"Thank you, Representative Tate. Madam Speaker, Members of the House, on Thursday morning an agreement was reached between the Department of Transportation and the City of Highland Park about a chunk of land at the intersection of Lake Cook Road and Skokie Highway and the expressway there. And I was asked to put those Amendments in. Senator Keats put them in. There turned out to be a minor defect in it, and we were asked if we could nonconcur. And I agree..."

"Very good. Representative Cullerton on the question. Representative Cullerton on the question."

"Yes, will one of the Sponsors yield?"

"Representative Tate."

"Representative Tate, Amendment #4 deals with the payment of money to the State of Illinois and the City of Highland Park. Is that the Amendment that you are... wish to..."

"Representative Cullerton, there's... as you're... I'm sure 158  65th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 29, 1985 you're well aware of, there's many Members that have interest in this Bill. I would like to accommodate all the Members that have different conveyances in land that they'd like to turn over..."

"Put it in Conference Committee?"

"And... and at the accommodation of Representative Stern, which essentially is some technical language that she would like, and quite frankly, I'm not sure which Amendment I should not concur with."

"It's #4. That's what I wanted to tell you. It's #4. You want to move to refuse..."

"So I would like to refuse to recede to Amendment #4 and send it back to the Senate."

"Refuse to concur with Senate Amendment #4."

"Refuse to concur. Okay."

"The Chair recommends, Representative Tate, that if you want to get to Conference Committee it's appropriate as to nonconcur as to all. So the question is, 'Shall the House nonconcur in Senate Amendments #1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 to House Bill 2434?' All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the House nonconcurs in Senate Amendments #1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 to House Bill 2434. The next Bill is House Bill 1928. It appears on page six on your Calendar. Representative Olson. Representative Olson."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I move to concur with Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 1928. The essence of the Bill that we sent to the Senate permitted the Department of Conservation to describe how their vehicles assigned to the law enforcement division would be marked. That would put them in conformity with the Department of Law Enforcement. Give them the same opportunity. Amendment #1 was basically a take-off on 159  65th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 29, 1985 House Bill 940, which moved out of here 105 to 9, which indicated to the Department of Transportation that should they replace any used vehicles, it should notify and give units of local government in the state the first opportunity to purchase such vehicles. They should be required to notify those units of local government who indicate an interest in any proceeds from the sale of such vehicles to units of local government would be deposited in the Road Fund. I move for concurrence on Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 1928."

"The Gentleman moves to concur in Senate Amendment Øl to House Bill 1928. Is there any discussion? Hearing none, the question is, Shall the House concur in Senate Amendment 71 to House Bill 1928?" All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. This is final action. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 112 voting 'aye", 4 voting 'no' and none voting 'present', and the House concurs in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 1928. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority is hereby declared passed. Going to Special Subject Matter Call dealing with State Regulation, we are now distributing the printout. Review the printout and be ready to proceed with your Bill on that Order. The first one is House Bill 1871. It appears on page six on your Calendar. Representative Curran. Representative Curran."

"One moment, Mr. (sic Madam) Speaker. I move to concur with the Senate Amendment #1. It's simply a technical... technical change."

"Tell us what the main Bill does."

"This Bill was originally a home rule preemption clause. The Senate Amendment makes it easier to live with, and I 160  65th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 29, 1985 move to concur with that Amendment."

"The Gentleman moves to concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 1871. Is there any discussion? Hearing none, the question is, 'Shall the House concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 1871?" All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. This is final passage. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. And on this question, there are 114 voting 'aye', none voting 'no' and none voting 'present'. And the House concurs with Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 1871. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 1901, Representative Matijevich. It appears on page six on your Calendar. Representative Matijevich. Out of the record. Senate Bill 1902 appears on page six on your Calendar. Representative Vinson."

"Madam Speaker, I... it's my understanding that Mr. Cullerton would like me to take the Bill out of the record for now. Is that correct? Okay, then I'll do that."

"Out of the record. Senate Bill 1944 appears on page six on your Calendar. Representative Churchill."

"Thank you. Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I would move to concur with Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 1944. Originally, House Bill 1944 defined the term 'shoulder' in the Vehicle Code. The effect of Senate Amendment #1 was to put on the uniform rules for vehicle and highway code safety. I would ask for the adoption of the Bill."

"The Gentleman moves to concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 1944. Is there any discussion? Hearing none, the Gentleman from Knox, Representative Hawkinson, on the question." 161  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day June 29, 1985

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield for a question?"

"He will."

"Representative, could you tell us what changes in... in the traffic rules are being made by this Amendment?"

"Representative, there... there are several changes. First, it says that a driver may turn left across the paved noncurbed dividing space. Provides that a driver approaching highway construction or a maintenance area shall stop if signaled to do so by a flag or a traffic control signal. Provides that no person shall fail to comply with the lawful order or direction of a fireman or a uniformed adult crossing guards and makes other technical changes."

"Does it have any rules in there regarding requirements to have lights on when wipers are being used or... or the driving solely in the right hand lane of a multi-lane highway?"

"No."

"Thank you."

"The question is, 'Shall the House concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 1944?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Calendar announcement."

"Supplemental Calendar #2 is being distributed."

"Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 112 voting 'aye', none voting 'no' and 1 voting 'present'. And the House concurs in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 1944. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. With leave of the Body, we'll go back to Representative Matijevich's Bill, House Bill 1901. It appears on page six on your Calendar. Representative 162  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day Matijevich."

June 29, 1985 "Madam Speaker, House Bill 1901, in its original form, was introduced by the Secretary of State and would authorize the Secretary to enter into reciprocal agreements with other jurisdictions relating to parking privileges for persons with permanent disabilities. Senate Amendment #1 would alter the amendatory language to provide that this State... State of Illinois may rather shall grant reciprocal parking privileges to disabled nonresidents. I move to concur."

"The Gentleman moves to concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 1901. Is there any discussion? Hearing none, the question is, 'Shall the House concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 1901?' All those in favor vote 'aye", all those opposed vote 'no". Voting is open. This is final passage. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 117 voting 'aye", none voting 'no' and none voting present.. And the House concurs in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 1901. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 1902, Representative Vinson. It appears on page six on your Calendar. Representative Vinson: Vinson." "Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 1902 is a rewrite of a number of provisions in the Securities Act that this House passed earlier in the spring. The fundamental philosophy of the Securities Act to be a disclosure... a full disclosure Act and not a substantive regulation Act is still embodied with this rewrite. In the Senate on a... a number of changes were made. The two primary changes were changes that indicated that a... an offender was only guilty of the 163  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day June 29, 1985 Class 4 Felony in regard to violation of the statutory provisions if he had knowledge, if he had specific knowledge. The second set of Amendments that were attached dealt with registration at the securities... sold in Illinois by means of any general advertising or general solicitation. And what it does is to provide... deals with the fat cat exemption and provides that it takes... you cannot, through general advertising, attract fat cat subscribers. I would move for House concurrence in Senate Amendment #1 and Senate Amendment #2."

"The Gentleman moves to concur in Senate Amendments #1 and 2 to House Bill 1902. Is there any discussion? Hearing none, the question is. Shall the House concur in Senate Amendments #1 and 2 to House Bill 1902? All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. This is final passage. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 109 voting 'aye', none voting 'no' and 7 voting 'present', and the House concurs in Senate Amendments #1 and 2 to House Bill 1902. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Davis, for what reason do you rise?"

"Madam Speaker, I know that we're on another Special Order - State Regulation, House Bills, but mysteriously another state regulatory Bill doing business with lights in Wrigley Field has been left off. Is there a reason for that? It's House Bill 1934."

"Representative Davis, I think you should consult with your Leadership on that."

"I have."

"And then if you want Bills added to the Special Order..." 164  65th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 29, 1985

"They don't know either."

"Representative Frederick on House Bill 1948. It appears on page six on your Calendar. Excuse me, Representative Frederick. For what reason do you interrupt, Representative Vinson?"

"Mr. Speaker... Madam Speaker, just for the purpose of making it quite clear that we would like both of Mr. Davis's Bills called. We believe that both should be passed out and sent to the Governor, and we would make the request that those Bills do be called."

"I will convey your request. Representative Frederick on House Bill 1948."

"Yes, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I move the House concur with Senate Amendment #2 on House Bill 1948, which places methylenedioxymethamphetamine on the Schedule I list of drugs that will comply with the Federal Drug Enforcement Administration scheduling. The Bill originally dealt with amending the Controlled Substance Act and placed gluthethimide on Schedule II in Illinois. And it also set forth a procedure for emergency prescription. I move that we concur."

"The Lady moves to concur in Senate Amendment #2 to House Bill 1948. Representative Cullerton, on the question."

"Yes, would the Sponsor yield for a question?"

"She will."

"What is added in Senate Amendment #2?"

"Actually, the street name for that drug is ecstasy."

"What is it?"

"Ecstasy."

"Ecstasy?"

"Yes. Perhaps you've read in the newspapers..."

"Are we outlawing ecstasy?" 165  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day June 29, 1985

"Well, actually the Senate approved placing this... this drug on Schedule I. It is not legal anywhere in the United States. It has no use that's medically required, and it... we're..."

"I just want to know what we are adding to the list. What are we outlawing by this Amendment? What's the name of the..."

"Well, it's MDMA or it's methylenedioxymethamphetamine."

"Very good. Very good. Alright, let's hear it. Let's see, how many letters is that?"

"It's about 20."

"It's 30 letters long. How about on page three of the Amendment?"

"Yes."

"That should be easier. What does that do? So we're outlawing ecstasy and what..."

"Oh, that... that we did in the Bill. That's gluthethimide that we placed on Schedule II."

"What's the street name for that?"

"I do not know what that is."

"How do you know how to pronounce these so well?"

"Well, my husband's a chemist."

"Oh, very good. As long as he's not a drug pusher, I imagine that's... Okay. Well, so these... these were... these were things which we forgot to add in the House Bill."

"That is correct."

"And the pharmacists position on these..."

"That we passed in the House Bill, House version of the Bill."

"Oh, that's right. I asked you about Amendment #1. and you... House Amendment #1 and you indicated that both 166  65th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 29, 1985 the Medical Society and the pharmacists were in favor..."

"Yes."

"...Amendment. Okay. Fine. Thank you very much, and congratulations."

"The question is, "Shall the House concur in Senate Amendment #2 to House Bill 1948?" All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. This is final passage. Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 115 voting 'aye', none voting 'no' and none voting 'present', and the House concurs in Senate Amendment #2 to House Bill 1948. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 1949 appears on page six on your Calendar. Representative Mays."

"Thank you very much, Madam Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I move that the House concur with Senate Amendments #1 and 2 to House Bill 1949. The original Bill made certain revisions in real estate licensure law, which is a culmination of discussion and agreement between the Department of Registration and Regulation and the Illinois Association of Realtors. Senate Amendment #1 and Senate Amendment #2 are further... the result of further discussions and agreements on those issues, and so I would move concurrence."

"The Gentleman has moved to concur in Senate Amendments #1 and 2 to House Bill 1949. Is there any discussion? Hearing none, the question is, 'Shall the House concur in Senate Amendments #1 and 2 to House Bill 1949?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. This is final passage. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 114 167  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day June 29, 1985 voting 'aye', none voting 'no' and none voting 'present'. And the House concurs in Senate Amendments #1 and 2 to House Bill 1949. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 1953 appears on page seven on your Calendar. Representative Johnson."

"For months, people have been waiting for this issue, and I think it's important, Representative Cullerton, that we have a full dialogue on this issue. It's one that effects every citizen of this state, and I can't overstress the drama of this issue. I would move to concur with Senate Amendment #1 and Senate Amendment #2 to House Bill 1953."

"The Gentleman moves to concur in Senate Amendment... Excuse me."

"Okay."

"Explain the Amendment."

"No, that's alright. It... They're pretty well self-explanatory."

"Explain... Explain the Amendments, please."

"Okay. Amendment #1 just is a redefinition so that when handicapped drivers go into self-service stations, rather than simply having to display their handicapped designations, they have to be parked at a self-service island and displaying a self-service designation. And Amendment #2, which is perhaps more dramatic, changes the effective date to July 1, 1986."

"The Gentleman moves to concur in Senate Amendments #1 and 2. And on the question, Representative Cullerton."

"Yes, would the Gentleman yield for a question?"

"He will."

"Representative Johnson, first of all, I think you 168  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day June 29, 1985 should become more familiar with the terminology of your own Bill. We don't use the word 'handicapped' anymore. We use the term 'people who happen to be disabled'. And specifically in the Bill we refer to 'physically disabled person', not 'handicapped'. That's number one. Okay? Number two, what does the Bill do?"

"I'm sorry."

"What does the Bill do?"

"The Bill itself, the underlying Bill requires that, now as amended, self-service... gas stations that provide for both full service and self-service have to give self-service prices to handicapped drivers... I... well... disabled drivers."

"Physically disabled drivers."

"That's correct. Yes."

"Okay. They have to have some kind of a... How do they prove that they're physically disabled?"

"They have to have a designation on their car."

"And how do you go about getting one of those?"

"You go through me."

"This is a little unusual for you to be carrying this Bill, wouldn't you agree?"

"I would say this Bill is not of a type and description that normally identified with me as the Chief Sponsor."

"Okay. So the original Bill said it applied to both self-service and full service islands. Is that right?"

"That's correct."

"And what did the Senate do?"

"The Senate simply made some dramatic changes changing the effective date to July 1, 1986 and also providing that the disabled driver had to do more than simply drive into the general area of the station and display a handicapped designation or a disabled designation but had to park at 169  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day the self-service island and thereafter June 29, 1985 display that designation."

"And first of all, I want to compliment you on just in only a few minutes here you're already using the word physically disabled as opposed to handicapped."

"It's really culturally.۰۰ I appreciate your... your help in helping me realize my covert biases."

"Well, now but... but Amendment 1, the Senate Amendment #1, says that the car has to be parked. Does this mean that if the car was driving around the island that they would not be entitled to the reduced price."

"You mean... trying to run innocent pedestrians down or. you know, going after kids on bikes or whatever?"

"Right. You're saying that this... that... You're saying that they would not be entitled to the reduced price."

"I think that's right." they have to actually stop then their vehicle..."

"Right, and park."

"So

"...before they'd be entitled to the reduced price."

"That's right. As a matter of fact, I don't even think they could have their engine running. I think they'd have to be parked."

"So this basically takes money away from the operators of the gas stations and gives it to physically disabled people."

"That's right. It's an income transference sort of a Bill." Cullerton:

"And what is the theory behind it?” "The theory behind it is to help disabled people obtain the same services that you and I can..."

"Oh, in other words..."

"...for the same price that you and I can..." 170  65th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE Cullerton: "...because they can't..."

"...because they don't have the ability to their car and..." June 29, 1985 get out of

"Wash their own windows."

"Well, no. It only applies to pumping gas. It doesn't apply to the collateral services. As the liberal that I am, my initial intention was to require them to do everything."

"Check the oil and..."

"But some of the conservatives in the oil lobby wanted to limit this to... oil and gas lobby... I even had some calls from Texas on this..."

"Well, I... I think it could be improved, Representative Johnson, but I would say this. I think it's a very significant piece of legislation, and I'd be afraid of what you might do with in a Conference Committee. So I think we should concur with Senate Amendments #1 and 2 and pass this Bill onto the Governor."

"I've... I've invited Representative Cullerton, Lynn *Quigley*, the legislative liaison, and others to the signing of this Bill. It's the Governor's promise which is going to occur within the next two weeks. Ought to get your... Ellis Levin will be there. The press will be there."

"What gas station is he going to sign this at?"

"He're going to sign this down on..."

"How about the Dixie highway? The Dixie highway stop on..."

"Yeah, at McLean. Representative Ropp will be there because that's in his district. This is very important Bill, and we'll make sure to let you know when the signing occurs. Ellis, I want you there. The Governor will be there. I'll be there. My kids will be there." 171  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day

"And I June 29, 1985 think Representative DeJaegher, who sponsored the Bill a couple years ago and wasn't should probably be..." able to pass it.

"Representative DeJaegher is my..."

"Ladies and Gentlemen... Ladies and Gentlemen, it should be noted that we have already debated the underlying Bill. The Sponsor has described the two Amendments as fairly noncontroversial. The board is lite up like a Christmas tree. I'm suggesting that we go to Representative Johnson to close and then should Members wish to describe... to explain their vote they will be recognized. Is that acceptable with the Body? That is acceptable. Representative Johnson, to close."

"Well, as I always say on other issues, everything gets down to the bottom line. If you want to help the handicapped people of this state, absolutely, physically disabled people of this state, people who are really asking for your support on a vital issue, you ought to vote 'yes'. If you want to be a 19th century conservative that's... that's down on people who have physical disabilities then you ought to vote 'no'. It's just that simple. It's like gun control or anything else. I urge a 'yes' vote."

"The question is, 'Shall the House concur in Senate Amendment #1 and 2 to House Bill 1953?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Representative Countryman, one minute to explain your vote."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. I don't want to belabor the point. I enjoy a joke as much as anybody does in the House. But to those people who are physically disabled, this is a serious Bill. This is a serious matter, and let's give them an 'aye' vote and pass this thing out here. Thank you." 172  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day June 29, 1985

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Vitek, one minute to explain your vote."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Being a physically disabled person and carrying a handicapped sticker on my car. I heartily support this legislation."

"The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 118 voting 'aye', none voting 'no' and none voting 'present', and the House concurs in Senate Amendments #1 and 2 to House Bill 1953. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 1969 appears on page seven on your Calendar. Representative Koehler."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I move to concur in Senate Amendments 1 and 2 to House Bill 1969. The underlying Bill, as it passed the House, amends the Ginseng Act. It restricts the harvest season, purchasing of wild ginseng to wild ginseng harvested in Illinois. It makes individuals who cut or gather wild ginseng on the land of another subject to the harvest license and harvest season requirements. Now Amendment 31, as added in the Senate, this Amendment provides that a dealer may purchase at any time wild or cultivated ginseng harvested in another state and certified for export by that state. Senate Amendment #2, this Amendment amends the Illinois Endangered Species Protection Act, and it broadens the Act to include threatened species. It provides for the declaration of essential habitat for these species. I would move for the... for concurrence of Senate Amendment #1 and 2."

"The Lady moves to concur in Senate Amendment #1 and 2 to House Bill 1969. And on the question, the Gentleman from Kendall, Representative Hastert."

"Does this pertain only to, it says domestic, so is that 173  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day ginseng that's just grown in America?" June 29, 1985

"Pardon, Representative Hastert. Did you say ginseng grown in America?"

"It says domestic, SO I... within the continental United States or is there other forms of ginseng?"

"Well, this applies only to ginseng that's gone in the State of Illinois in the Bill as originally passed. And the... And then in Senate Amendment #1 it allows for that grown in another state. So it applies only to domestic ginseng."

"Alright. And then there's other places where ginseng is grown. Right?"

"Yes. It can be exported from other countries."

"Thank you."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Leverenz."

"The Sponsor yield?"

"She will."

"How does the endangered species fit into all this as you were talking about it?"

"The endangered... The endangered species? The Endangered Species... Species Act needed updating, Representative Leverenz. And... And because this was a Bill that was not called in the... during our House debate, there was not time for it to be called in the House deadlines, this was then later amended on in the Senate. And it is a very important Bill to the Department of Conservation. It has the support of environmentalists, conservation groups and by those concerned, and there is no known opposition."

"Anything to do with imported ginseng?"

"It does not deal with imported ginseng from other countries. It deals with ginseng imported from other 174  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL AS; EMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day June 29, 1985 states, but not from other countries."

"Thank you."

"The question is, 'Shall the House concur in Senate Amendments 1 and 2 to House Bill 1969?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. This is final passage. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 117 voting 'aye', 1 voting 'no' and none voting 'present', and the House concurs in Senate Amendments #1 and 2 to House Bill 1969. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 2181 appears on page seven on your Calendar. Representative Vinson."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Assembly. House Bill 2181 was amended in the Senate to add to it the Collection Agency Act to establish requirements for bank accounts of licensed collection agencies. Allows... And it also allows lawfully admitted aliens to act as officers of a collection agency. The underlying Bill authorized the Director of Registration and Education to revoke the certificate of an registrant under the Collection Agencies Act found guilty of four violations of this Act within a one year period. I would move for final action on House Bill 2181."

"The Gentleman moves to concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2181. And Representative Cullerton, on the question."

"Yes... can I inquire of the Chair, who is the Sponsor of this Bill?"

"Representative Vinson is shown on the Calendar."

"How did it get on the list?"

"Are you asking me that question?" 175  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day

"No. I want to congratulate you, June 29, 1985 Representative Vinson, for a fine Bill, and I'm glad you got it on... got it called."

"Yes, I... I suspect that Mr. Lapaille's administrative assistant took care of that."

"The question is... The question is, 'Shall the House concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2181?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 115... 116 voting 'aye', none voting 'no' and 1 voting 'present'. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed, and the House does concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2181. House Bill 2189 appears on page seven on your Calendar. Representative McCracken."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen. I move to concur in Senate Amendments #1 and 2 to House Bill 2189. As it left the House, this measure required that records... or dental records be made available upon request of the patient or guardian thereof. and it was amended before leaving to allow copies of those records to be produced. A similar or I should say identical Amendment is Amendment #1. And the second Amendment makes the... the examining committee advisory to the director. Now the committee acts in concert with the director, and under this proposal would be made advisory. And that is a Department of Registration and Education requested Amendment. I move to concur in Senate Amendments 1 and 2."

"The Gentleman moves to concur in Senate Amendments 1 and 2 to House Bill 2189. Is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Macon, Representative Dunn."

"Will the Sponsor yield for a question?" 176  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 29, 1985 65th Legislative Day

"He will."

"Do people have trouble getting copies of dental records at the present time?"

"I have no idea. The reason the copy Amendment is in there is because they didn't want to have to give up the originals. The Bill originally required the production of the records and was amended to allow the production of copies. I don't know if this is in response to a real problem or not. It's requested by the Dental Society."

"And what provision is made for payment of the copies?"

"None to my knowledge."

"Thank you."

"The question is, 'Shall the House concur in Senate Amendment #1 and 2 to House Bill 2189?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. This is final passage. Have all voted who wish? Representative Homer, would you vote me please? Thank you. On... The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 118 voting 'aye', none voting 'no' and none voting 'present'. And the House concurs in Senate Amendments #1 and 2 to House Bill 2189. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 2283. We'll take that Bill out of the record with leave to return. House Bill 2368 appears on page eight on your Calendar. Representative McGann."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker and Members of the Assembly. I move to concur with Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2368. It's actually... The original Bill dealt with the valid firearms identification card. The Amendment is the definition of the firearms ammunition changes... the exclusion of a hypodermic tranquilizers used by veterinarians or animal control officers in the performing 177  65th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASS EMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 29, 1985 of their professional duties. I move for concurrence."

"The Gentleman moves to concur in Senate Amendment $1 to House Bill 2368. Is there any discussion? Hearing поле, the question is, 'Shall the House concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2368?* All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. This is final action. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 116 voting 'aye", 2 voting "no" and none voting present, and the House concurs in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2368. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 2400 appears on page eight on your Calendar. Representative Capparelli." Capparelli: #Madam Speaker, I move to concur with Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2400. When 2400 left here it was a motor franchising Bill, and we created a new Act. The Amendment adds a new Section to the Motor Vehicle Franchise Act, and that new Section more clearly defines what a motorcycle is and adds provisions unique to the motorcycle industry - those provisions regarding financing, ownership by a dealer of a franchise and repurchase of parts. The Bill is agreed upon now by the motorcycle dealers, the Motorcycle Industrial Council and the motorcycle manufacturers. I would ask for a favorable Roll Call."

"The Gentleman moves to concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2400. Is there any discussion? Hearing none, the question is. Shall the House concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2400?' All those in favor vote 'aye", all those opposed vote 'no". Voting is open. This is final action. Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 178  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day June 29, 1985 114 voting 'aye', 2 voting 'no' and 1 voting 'present', and the House does concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2400. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 2407 appearing on page eight on your Calendar, Representative Johnson."

"This Bill was approved unanimously or nearly unanimously in the House and Senate. It has to do with some technical revisions in the Drainage Code. The Amendments are simply technical Amendments, and I move for its approval."

"The Gentleman moves to concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2407. Is there any discussion? Hearing none, the question is, 'Shall the House concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2407?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. This if final passage. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 117 voting 'aye', none voting 'no' and 1 voting 'present', and the House does concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2407. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 2414 appearing on page eight on your Calendar, Representative Daniels - Vinson. Representative Vinson."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. House Bill 2414 amends the Insurance Code, adding a new Article regulating and licensing third party administrators. It establishes the license requirements for third party administrators, and it provides the grounds for denial, suspension or revocation of licenses. Defines the various terms in regard to third party administrators. In the Senate, the Bill was amended so as to exclude from the definition of a third party 179  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day June 29, 1985 administrator a creditor acting on behalf of its debtor with respect to insurance covering a debt between the creditor and debtors. I would move for House concurrence on Senate Amendment 31 to House Bill 2414."

"The Gentleman moves to concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2414. And on that question, the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Leverenz."

"Inquiry of the Chair."

"State your inquiry."

"On the Calendar on page eight it says House Bill 2414. It does not show the distinguished Representative Vinson as a Sponsor. Who is the Sponsor of the Bill?"

"Representative Daniels was the Sponsor of the Bill. Representative Vinson was added by a written request of the Members... of Representative Daniels and himself."

"Well, I did't get you this time."

"The question is, "Shall the House concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2414?" All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. This is final action. Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 116 voting 'aye', none voting 'no' and 1 voting 'present', and the House concurs in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2414. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 2436 appears on page nine on your Calendar. Representative

Weaver. Weaver: "Thank you, Madam Speaker. 2436 authorizes the State of Illinois to release easements and restore access rights to certain lands subject to permit requirements of IDOT. Senate Amendment 1 simply adds additional easements in updating the unneeded parcels of property that they have, and I move for concurrence with Senate Amendment #1." 180  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day

"The June 29, 1985 Gentleman moves to concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2436. Is there any discussion? Hearing none, the question is, 'Shall the House concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2436?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. This is final passage. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 117 voting 'aye', none voting 'no', none voting 'present', and the House concurs in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2436. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 2515 appears on page nine on your Calendar, Representative Ropp."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker and Members of the House. House Bill 2515 amends the Food and Drug and Cosmetic Act. Senate Amendment #1 specified certain areas of animal drugs to be administered by the Department of Agriculture. Senate Amendment #2 makes language corrections and also provides a fee for inspections of processing plants, bulk tank trucks and receiving stations. And it also included a provision under which the Department of Public Health would check out food additives as it pertained to human consumption. I move to concur with Senate Amendments 1 and 2."

"The Gentleman move to concur in Senate Amendments #1 and 2 to House Bill 2515. And on that question, Representative Dunn. Representative Matijevich in the Chair."

"Will the Sponsor yield for a question?"

"He will."

"Are the fees provided in Senate Amendment #1 brand new fees? Is this a new fee?"

"Yes, Sir." 181  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day

"I can't hear you." June 29, 1985

"Yes, they are brand new fees that had been agreed to by the processing representatives and the Department. Originally. it just stated that there would be fees. The agreement was that in the statute they would place the exact fee."

"Is there further discussion? If not, Representative Ropp has moved to concur with Senate Amendment #2 to House Bill 2515. Those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed..."

"Mr. Speaker, Senate Amendment #1 and 2."

"1 and 2. Those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. This is final action. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 118 ayes", no 'nays', and the House does concur with Senate Amendments #1 and 2 to House Bill 2515. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 2283, Representative Breslin. The Lady from LaSalle, Representative Breslin."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 2283 was a Bill that included local... state and local government employees under the Illinois Wage Payment and Collection Act, which was previously an Act that applied only to the private employee in the private sector. Because of a problem that the... a logistical problem that the Comptroller's Office would have under this Act. Senate Amendment #1 was attached to exempt state and... it would exempt state employees or employees of the Federal Government. I... I don't have any problem with the Amendment. The major problem that... the major reason the Bill was introduced was to apply to local government, so I... I move to concur in Senate Amendment #1 182  65th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 29, 1985 to House Bill 2283."

"Representative Breslin has moved to concur with Senate Amendment 21 to House Bill 2283. On that, the Gentleman from Cook, Representative John Cullerton."

"(inaudible)"

"She indicates she will. Proceed."

"Representative Breslin, what is the significance of the... being included under the Illinois Wage Payment Collection Act?"

"You..."

"What does it mean to... What does the Act do?"

"You would have a statutory right in order to recoup wages and benefits that had been promised to you if, as an employee. if you have performed services for a unit of local government as an employee of that unit. Right now, that statutory right accrues to people in the private sector."

"Give me... Could you give me an example of how it might work?"

"Sure. If I worked for Caterpillar, and I don't have a contract, and I decide to leave their employment and it is one of the agreements that I be paid vacation benefits should my employment terminate, I have a right, under the Wage Payment and Collection Act, to bring a suit in order to gain payment."

"Okay. So, the Bill would have, as originally introduced. would have allowed all employees in the entire state, whether... be they state employees or local government employees or private employees, to come under this Wage Payment Collection Act."

"Yes."

"Now, the Senate then took the state employees out?"

"They took them out, and the major reason was that the 183  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day State Comptroller's Act said Comptroller June 29, 1985 that... or the State said that part of the Act requires payment of wages within a certain period of time. I guess the state pay scale has certain pay... pay arrangements that are longer than the 13 or 14 day period. We have some on a 15 or a 16 day cycle, which is perfectly acceptable to state employees. There's no problem there. They accept that as a part of their employment, but it would create a problem under the Act if they were included under the Act, so we have agreed to exempt them."

"Fine. Thank you very much."

"The Gentleman from DuPage, Representative McCracken."

"Yeah, thank you. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"She indicates she will. Proceed."

"We have... We have some conflicting information over here, and I'm unclear on what this Act does. Does it give a cause of action only to the employee, as the title implies?"

"I... I think that it does. That's my understanding."

"Okay. So this is not an Act for the benefit of a creditor of an employee. It's only so that the employee can get his last paycheck?"

"Correct."

"Alright. So it has no application to the areas of garnishment or anything of that nature?"

"No. No."

"Alright. That's it. Thank you."

"The Gentleman from Macon, Representative John Dunn."

"If this Bill becomes law, who will now be subject to wage collection and garnishment... who will be subject to wage garnishment and collection under the law that... who is not 184  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASS EMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day now?"

June 29, 1985 "It doesn't have any application to garnishment. It... This allows employees of local governments and school districts to collect their pay as... as is due and owing."

"Allows who to collect from whom?"

"The employees to collect from local governments or units of the school districts."

"Oh, okay. Alright. Okay."

"Representative Breslin, to close." Breslin "I would appreciate a favorable Roll Call."

"Representative Breslin has moved that the House concur with Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2283. Those in favor signify by voting 'aye', opposed by voting "no". This is final action. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 115 'ayes, 2 'nays', and the House does concur with Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2283. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Breslin in the Chair."

"Ladies and Gentlemen, we are going to the Subject Matter Call of Civil and Criminal Law. We will have the printout to you shortly, but in the meantime, I will read the numbers of the Bills so that Sponsors will be alerted and ready to have their Bill heard. The first Bill is House Bill 2106, Representative McNamara. House Bill 2129, Representative Oblinger. House Bill 2217, Representative Oblinger. House Bill 2220, Representative Mautino. House Bill 2431, Representative Olson. House Bill 2499, Representative Ronan. The first Bill is House Bill 2106, Representative McNamara. Excuse me, Representative Mulcahey, for what reason do you rise?"

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Just to inform the 185  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day June 29, 1985 Membership that... that the House of Lords has adjourned until tomorrow morning... tomorrow afternoon at 1:00."

"Representative McNamara, we are sorry for the interruption. Representative McNamara. Excuse me. Representative McCracken, for what reason do you interrupt?"

"Thank you. We had a request relative to a couple of Bills which are appropriate to this Order of Business, and I'd ask you to include them - 1924... 1934 and 1918."

"We will consider your request. Representative McNamara."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 2106 is an important Bill that deals with the "RUR situation as far as children in the court system and what to do with them. As it passed out of the House, we stated that it would be further amended as negotiations went on. The Amendment gives... that was put on to the Senate, is agreed by our particular section because it gives the Judges more of a chance of a say as to what to do with the children when they are not released upon request. It's a very important piece of legislation, and it at least gives us a chance to finally do something about this serious problem."

"The Gentleman moves to concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2106. And on that question, the Gentleman from DeWitt, Representative Vinson."

"Yes, Madam Speaker. I wonder if you could respond to Representative McCracken's request and tell us whether... whether it's your intention to put House Bill 1918 on this Order."

"Representative Vinson, it is not my intention to... to interrupt Representative McNamara. I said that the Chair would consider your request, and we will get back 186  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day June 29, 1985 to you. The Gentleman has moved to concur in Senate Amendment #21... in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2106. Does anyone wish to discuss this move?"

"Yes. Yes."

"This Motion. Representative Vinson."

"Yes, Representative, would you explain what the effect of the concurrence would be?"

"Yes, I will. The effect of concurrence is that it allows for greater judicial discretion in dealing with minors that are released on request. What it does is it allows the parents who have not... or the court system to respond to the parents that have not picked up their children after seven days of a judicial process. It allows the State of Illinois and the agencies in the State of Illinois to make determinations as to where those children can be..., thereby releasing them from a detention center for up to a year as has been the case in the past."

"Thank you. Madam Speaker, I believe this is a very important Bill, and I would like to have the Roll Call taken on an Oral Verified Roll Call. And I would ask the requisite number of people to join with me in that regard."

"The Gentleman has moved... Representative Hallock on the question."

"No, Madam Speaker. I'm raising in support of Representative Vinson's Motion."

"That's fine, but there are others who wish to discuss the Motion, I believe, of Representative McNamara."

"Well..."

"Would you be one of those people?"

"I want to discuss the Bill but I'll wait for that later."

"Excuse me, but we will, of course, grant an Oral Verified Roll Call if you wish. But the Members would 187  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day June 29, 1985 like to know what the Motion is before we proceed to that. If you don't wish to discuss it, we'll go to Representative Cullerton."

"Yes, I believe that I'm not exactly sure what the Motion is."

"Well, the Gentlemen have only risen, I believe, in order to request an Oral Verified Roll Call on the Motion. The Motion is to concur in Senate Amendment 31 to House Bill 2106. So, of course, there would be a Roll Call vote taken since that is final passage. They have just asked that it be oral and verified, and they have been joined by the requisite number. We are now taking..."

"Madam Speaker. I don't think that there is a requisite number needed with regard to an Oral Verified Roll Call. I think that the... Rule 57(b) reads that when the Speaker orders a Verified Oral Roll Call, and then it goes on to describe..."

"We will read the rules again and see whether or not that's the case. Does anyone wish to discuss this Bill? Representative Vinson, for what reason do you now rise?"

"Madam Speaker, just when you read the rules I wish you would read 55(d) as well."

"The question... There being no further debate, the question is... Representative McNamara, do you wish to close?"

"Thank you, Madam Chairman (sic Speaker). I'd ask for a favorable Roll Call."

"Very good. There has been a request for an Oral Verified Roll Call. Ladies and Gentlemen. Members should be in their seat. When their names are called, they should indicate how they wish to vote, and you will be recorded. Mr. Clerk. The question... We will begin. The 188  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASS EMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day June 29, 1985 question is, 'Shall the House concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2106?' This will be final passage of House Bill 2106. The Parliamentarian advises me that the most orderly method for doing this is that when your name is called, you should stand, announce your vote and press your switch so that we also have an electronically recorded Roll Call as well. Should you wish to pass, you may do so when your name is called, and vote at a later time. Mr. Clerk, would you proceed with an Oral Verified Roll Call. Again, the question is, 'Shall the House concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2106?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no". Clear... Ladies and Gentlemen, clear the board. We are having an Oral Verified Roll Call. Stand when your name is called and vote. Mr. Clerk, begin."

"Alexander."

"Stand and record your vote, Madam. This is an Oral Verified Roll Call. The Lady votes 'aye'."

"Barger."

"Representative Barger votes 'aye'."

"Barnes."

"Representative Barnes votes 'aye'."

"Berrios."

"Representative Berrios votes 'aye'."

"Bowman."

"Representative Bowman votes 'aye'."

"Braun."

"Pass."

"Breslin."

"Breslin votes 'aye'."

"Brookins."

"Representative Brookins 'aye'."

"Brunsvold." 189  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day June 29, 1985

"Representative Brunsvold votes 'aye'."

"Bullock."

"Representative Bullock, pass."

"Capparelli."

"Representative Capparelli votes 'aye."

"Christensen."

"Representative Christensen, pass."

"Churchill."

"Representative Churchill votes 'aye'."

"Countryman."

"Representative Countryman votes 'no'."

"Cowlishaw."

"Representative Cowlishaw votes 'aye'."

"Cullerton."

"Representative Cullerton votes 'aye'."

"Curran."

"Representative Curran votes 'aye'."

"Currie."

"Representative Currie votes 'aye'."

"Daniels."

"Representative Daniels, pass."

"Davis."

"Representative Davis votes 'aye."

"DeJaegher."

"Representative DeJaegher votes 'aye."

"DeLeo.

"Representative DeLeo votes 'aye'."

"Deuchler."

"Representative Deuchler votes 'aye'."

"Didrickson."

"Representative Didrickson votes 'aye'."

"Dunn."

"Representative Dunn votes 'aye'." 190  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day June 29, 1985

"Ewing."

"Representative Ewing. Representative Ewing votes 'aye'."

"Farley."

"Representative Farley votes 'aye'."

"Flinn."

"Representative Flinn votes 'aye'."

"Flowers."

"Representative Flowers votes 'aye'."

"Virginia Frederick."

"Representative Frederick votes 'aye'."

"Dwight Friedrich."

"Representative Friedrich votes 'aye'."

"Giglio."

"Representative Giglio, pass."

"Giorgi."

"Representative Giorgi. Representative Giorgi votes 'aye'."

"Goforth."

"Representative Goforth votes 'aye'."

"Greiman."

"Representative Greiman, pass."

"Hallock."

"Representative Hallock votes 'no'."

"Hannig."

"Representative Hannig votes 'aye'."

"Harris."

"Representative Harris votes 'aye'."

"Hartke."

"Representative Hartke votes 'aye'." Representative Hartke. Representative Hartke votes 'aye'."

"Hastert."

"Representative Hastert votes 'aye'." 191  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day

"Hawkinson."

June 29, 1985 "Representative Hawkinson votes 'aye." "Hensel."

"Representative Hensel votes 'aye

"Hicks."

"Representative Hicks votes 'aye"."

"Hoffman."

"Representative Hoffman votes "aye"."

"Homer."

"Representative Homer votes 'aye*."

"Huff."

"Representative Huff votes 'aye'."

"Johnson."

"Johnson votes 'aye."

"Keane."

"Keane, pass."

"Kirkland."

"Excuse me. Representative Keane. No, Keane passes."

"Kirkland."

"Kirkland votes 'aye"."

"Klemm."

"Flinn votes 'aye'. Excuse me. Klemm votes 'aye'."

"Koehler."

"Koehler votes 'aye."

"Krska.

"Krska, pass."

"Kubik."

"Kubik votes 'aye'."

"Kulas."

"Kulas votes 'aye"."

"Laurino." 192  STATE OF ILLINOIS 34th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day

"Laurino votes 'aye'."

"LeFlore."

"LeFlore votes 'aye'."

"Leverenz."

"Leverenz votes... Leverenz."

"Present."

"Leverenz votes 'present'."

"Levin."

"Levin. Levin votes 'aye'." June 29, 1985

"Matijevich."

"Matijevich 'aye',"

"Mautino."

"Mautino 'aye'."

"Mays."

"Mays. Mays votes 'aye'."

"McAuliffe."

"McAuliffe, pass."

"McCracken."

"McCracken. McCracken votes 'aye'."

"McGann."

"McGann votes 'aye'."

"McMaster."

"McMaster. McMaster votes... McMaster votes 'aye'. Representative Braun seeks recognition to vote 'aye'. This is an Oral Verified Roll Call."

"McNamara."

"McNamara votes 'aye'."

"McPike."

"McPike, pass."

"Mulcahey."

"Mulcahey votes 'aye'."

"Nash."

"Nash votes 'aye'." 193  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day June 29, 1985

"Oblinger."

"Oblinger votes 'aye'."

"O'Connell."

"O'Connell votes 'aye'."

"Olson."

"Olson votes 'no'."

"Panayotovich."

"Panayotovich votes 'aye'."

"Pangle."

"Pangle, pass."

"Parcells."

"Parcells votes 'no'."

"Parke."

"Parke votes 'no'."

"B. Pedersen."

"Pedersen votes 'no'."

"W. Peterson."

"Peterson votes 'aye'."

"Phelps."

"Phelps votes 'aye'."

"Piel."

"Piel. Piel votes 'aye'."

"Preston."

"Preston, pass."

"Pullen."

"Pullen "present"."

"Rea."

"Rea votes 'aye'."

"Regan."

"Regan votes 'aye'."

"Rice."

"Rice votes 'aye'."

"Richmond." 194  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day June 29, 1985

"Hit your switch Representative Rice. Richmond, pass."

"Ronan."

"Ronan votes 'aye'."

"Ropp."

"Push your switch. Ropp. Ropp votes 'no'."

"Ryder."

"Ryder votes 'aye'."

"Saltsman."

"Saltsman votes 'aye'."

"Satterthwaite."

"Satterthwaite votes 'aye'."

"Shaw."

"Shaw votes 'aye'."

"Slater."

"Slater votes 'aye'."

"Soliz."

"Soliz votes 'aye'.:"

"Stange."

"Stange votes 'aye'." Clerk O'Brien: n: "Steczo."

"Steczo, pass."

"Stephens."

"Stephens votes 'aye'."

"Stern."

"Stern votes 'aye'."

"Sutker."

"Sutker votes 'aye'."

"Tate."

"Tate votes 'aye."

"Terzich."

"Excuse me. Excuse me. Representative Tate."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. May I have the opportunity to 195  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day explain my vote?"

"Proceed.

"Well, I really One minute." June 29, 1985 don't know what's happening in this chamber, but this is absolutely ridiculous. These stall tactics... People have to have... get some Bills called. We could get adjourned out of this place. Now let's go on and do the business and get the right Bills called in this place."

"Tate votes 'aye'."

"Terzich."

"Terzich votes 'aye'."

"Tuerk."

"Tuerk votes 'aye'."

"Turner."

"Turner votes 'aye'."

"Van Duyne."

"...Who was that?"

"Van Duyne."

"Van Duyne votes "aye"."

"Vinson."

"Vinson. Vinson votes 'no'. Preston seeks recognition."

Representative Preston: "Thank you, Madam Speaker. How am I recorded as voting?"

"You passed."

"May I be recorded as voting 'aye', please?"

"Record Representative Preston as voting 'aye'. Representative Steczo seeks recognition to vote 'aye."

"Please record me as 'aye please."

"Okay."

"Vitek."

Speaker Breslin: "Representative Bullock Representative Daniels, for what reason votes 'aye'. do you rise? 196  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day June 29, 1985 Representative Daniels votes 'aye'. Continue with the..."

"Vitek."

"Representative Vitek votes 'aye."

"Wait."

"White. White votes 'aye'."

"Wait."

"Excuse me, was that White? Wait. Wait votes "aye*."

"Washington."

"Washington votes 'aye'."

"Weaver."

"Weaver votes 'aye'." "White."

"I can't understand you."

"Jesse White."

"Jesse White votes 'aye'."

"Williamson."

"Williamson votes 'aye."

"Wojcik."

"Wojcik votes 'aye."

"Wolf."

"Wolf votes "aye"."

"Woodyard."

"Woodyard votes 'aye'."

"Anthony Young."

"Anthony Young votes 'aye'."

"Hyvetter Younge.

"Wyvetter Younge votes "aye."

"Zwick."

"Zwick. Zwick votes 'aye.

"Mr. Speaker."

"Pass. Excuse me. Mr. Speaker votes 'aye'. Representative Davis, for... Excuse me. Representative 197  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day June 29, 1985 Alexander changes her vote from 'present' to 'aye'. Representative Davis, for what reason do you rise?"

"Well, Mr. Speaker... Madam Speaker, at this point in time, I'm going to change my vote to "present", and I'm going to recommend that everybody in this chamber do the same thing because what's happening to my Bills, both of them 1918 and 1934, what's happening to both of those Bills can happen to any of yours. So I'm going to change my vote to 'present', Madam Speaker, and I ask that everybody join me until there's a little equity on both sides of the aisle because these issues transcend both sides of the aisle. There's a great deal of interest in both of those Bills, and I would... We're on the Order of Criminal Call again. We passed State and Local Government. It could have been in either one. Both of them could have been in either one, and here we are, at this point in time, still not getting anything done on 1918 and 1934. And I just recommend everybody change their vote to 'present' until we can get some action out of the Speaker."

"Representative Davis changes his vote from 'aye' to 'present'. Representative Pullen, for what reason do rise?"

"Madam Speaker, I believe I am already voting 'present', but I think I'd like to change my vote to 'no'."

"Change Pullen to 'no'. Representative Ewing. Representative Ewing."

"Madam Speaker, I believe I am recorded as green. Is that correct?"

"You are."

"Yes, I would like to change that to 'present', and I..."

"Change Ewing to 'present'."

"...would like to take the opportunity to explain my vote and to support the comment of my fellow Assistant Minority 198  65th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASS EMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 29, 1985 Leader, Jack Davis, on this side of the aisle about the fairness issue. If that were to be followed, we could certainly accommodate Mr. Tate and all the Members on the... your side of the aisle. Mr. Davis' Bill could be heard. Other important Bills could be heard. We could get out of here like those of our colleagues who serve in the Senate. So I would ask other Members of this side of the aisle to explain their vote, to tell the Body why they're changing their vote and change to yellow."

"Representative McNamara, for what reason do you rise?"

"Madam Speaker, on this particular issue that happens to be a very important issue before us, it is not as to whether the Parliamentarian or the rules or this or that... It involved kids. It involves an issue that happens to be very important. I sat through the last two Orders of Business in which 12 Democratic Bills were called and 22 Republican Bills. As you know, I sit in this chair all the time, taking a look at each and every single issue that's coming along. I support your Bills. I support both sides' Bills. I'd like the same consideration for that. If we wish to continue to delay or we wish to want to continue to delay, I ask you to do it with someone else's Bill. At this time. I'd ask for the House's consideration and to give us a chance to get this important piece of legislation through. Thank you."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Keane, for what reason do you rise?"

"I'd like to be recorded 'aye'."

"Record Representative Keane as 'aye'. The Gentleman from Will, Representative Van Duyne, for what reason do you rise?"

"Madam Speaker, I think that blackguard behind me, Mr. 199  65th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 29, 1985 Flinn, has changed my vote, and I'd like to make sure that I'm voted 'aye' also."

"You are... You were recorded as... as 'aye' orally, and you are recorded so now."

"He changed my... He punched my button, Ms. Speaker."

"The Gentleman from St. Clair, Representative Flinn, for what reason do you rise."

"Well, I deny that. I didn't do it. Somebody changed mine over to 'present' here. I wanted to vote 'aye'. I stood up and voted green. I pointed my finger up in the air like that. I was voting 'aye' for myself, and I think he punched them both."

"Representative... Representative Flinn and Van Duyne are both voted 'aye'. The Lady from Champaign, Representative Satterthwaite, for what reason do you rise?"

"For a parliamentary inquiry."

"State your inquiry."

"Madam Chairman (sic Speaker), I believe that you stated at the beginning of this Oral Verified Roll Call that we would go back to people who might not have voted when their names were called, but I think that we really subvert the process if we permit people who have stood up here and verbally cast their vote to go back and delay the procedure of the House by repeated changes and explanations after they have already voted on the issue."

"Representative Satterthwaite, we will review the rules and get back to you. Representative Satterthwaite, your point is not well taken. The rules specifically allow a change of vote. Representative Vinson, for what reason do you rise?"

"Well, Madam... Madam Speaker, I concur in Representative Davis' right to have his Bill called. I do not think that the Chair should be allowed to arbitrarily deny any Member 200  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day June 29, 1985 the right to have their Bill called, and for that reason, I will accord with his request and change my vote to 'present'."

"Representative Vinson changes his vote from "no" to 'present'. Representative McAuliffe seeks recognition and votes 'aye'. The Lady from Cook, Representative Barnes."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. In deference to the wishes of our Leader Davis, I would like to change my vote from 'aye' to 'present'."

"Change Barnes from 'aye' to 'present'. Representative Daniels."

"Madam Speaker, you are refusing to call House Bill 1918, which is a Bill giving the right to the state to demand a jury trial. It seems to me you'd have a little more interest in that legislation than you're displaying in that Chair right now, so I change my vote to 'present'."

"Change Representative Daniels from 'aye' to 'present'. The Lady from Cook, Representative Parcells."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. I'd like to change my vote from 'no' to 'present'."

"You were already recorded as voting 'present' on the board, but we will... we will change the oral verification from 'no' to 'present'. The Gentleman from St. Clair, Representative Stephens."

"Thank you, Madam... Madam Speaker. In the name of fair play, I'd like to change my vote from 'yes' to 'present'."

"Representative Stephens goes from 'yes' to 'present'. Representative Christensen votes 'aye'. The Gentleman from DuPage, Representative Hensel."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. I believe I voted 'yes', but I would like to change that to 'present'." 201  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day June 29, 1985

"Change Representative Hensel from 'aye to 'present'. Representative Wojcik."

"Yes, Madam Speaker, I have voted 'yes', and I would like to change that to 'present'."

"Change Representative Wojcik to 'aye to 'present'. Representative Peterson."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. I would like my vote changed from 'aye' to 'present'."

"Change Representative Peterson from 'aye to 'present'. Representative Hoffman."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. I, too, would like to change my vote from 'aye' to 'present'."

"Change Representative Hoffman from 'aye to 'present'. Representative Pedersen. Representative Pedersen."

"Madam Chairman (sic Speaker), I'd like to change my vote from 'no' to 'present'."

"Change Representative Pedersen from 'no' to 'present'. Representative Piel."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. In the name of fairness to all Members of the House of Representative, may I can my vote from 'aye to 'present' please?"

"Change Representative Piel from 'aye' to 'present'. Representative Ryder."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Please record my vote as 'present' in deference to the request of Representative..."

"Change Representative Ryder from 'aye' to 'present'. Representative Friedrich."

"Madam Speaker, I think you may be in error. I don't believe Representative Braun was here when her button was pushed."

"Representative Braun appeared on the floor and 202  65th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 29, 1985 specifically requested to be voted 'aye."

"Okay. She was in her chair. I apologize. I would like to change from 'aye to "present"."

"Representative Friedrich changes from 'aye to "present". Representative Cowlishaw."

"Please change my vote from 'aye to 'present'."

"Change Representative Cowlishaw from 'aye to "present". Representative Churchill."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. In rising to explain my change of vote, I want to answer a question that was posed by Representative McNamara as to a partisanship issue. Actually, this Bill is not a partisan Bill. It's a bipartisan Bill. It was sponsored in the Senate by a Democrat. It's sponsored in the House by a Republican. This is a Bill I really don't... I don't know what it's all about. I... In fact, I'd like to have the opportunity to hear about the Bill. It kind of causes suspicions in my mind when we have to go through this mechanism to try and get the Bill called in the first place. The most simple thing could have been just to come back and say, "We'll add that Bill to the Call, and we'll talk about it.' What... What is in this Bill that you're afraid of? I don't understand why you won't go to the Bill. Is there something that could cause some problem some place? I just think that it's bad for both sides of the aisle when..."

"The Gentleman changes he vote from 'aye to 'present'. Representative Kubik."

"Madam Speaker, please change my vote from 'aye' to "present"."

"Change Representative Kubik from 'aye to "present". Representative McCracken."

"In explanation of my vote, I want to assure the Representative this is not directed toward him. But 203  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day June 29, 1985 listen, this is good for both of us on each side of aisle. You want your Bills called. We want ours called. On these Special Order Calendars, we're not disputing the fact that it's half Republican and half Democrat, but we're disputing the fact that the Calendar's not being followed. Your Membership suffers as well as our Membership so stick together on this, and let's get the Calendar called in its normal and due course. That's the issue. It's not just 1918. It's the Calendar and the integrity of the process."

"Change Representative McCracken from "aye" to 'present'. Representative Parke."

"I'm orally changing my vote from 'no' to 'present', and I concur with Representative McCracken's statement earlier."

"Change Representative Parke from 'aye' to 'present'. Representative Regan."

"Madam Speaker, how am I registered?"

"You're recorded as voting 'aye'."

"I'd like to change my vote to 'present', and I'd like to explain my vote please. In all due respect to Representative McNamara, the same thing happened to me Wednesday night that's happening to Jack Davis today. This Bill also pertained to children. It was a Bill pertaining to child pornography - a very important Bill. The 'IG' wants this Bill very badly. We went around it for five days. We traveled back and forth across the Calendar just like from China to Peru. We never got it, and it was killed Wednesday night. I certainly think that this ridiculous situation with the Calendar can be changed, and I hope that everyone goes along with this maneuver."

"Change Representative Regan from 'aye' to 'present'. Representative Hastert."

"Madam Chairman... Speaker, please change me to 'present'." 204  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day

Speaker Breslin: "Change Representative June 29, 1985 Hastert from 'aye to 'present'. Representative Williamson."

"Madam Speaker, out of great respect for Representative Davis, I'd like to change my vote from 'aye" to 'present'."

"Change Representative Williamson from 'aye to 'present'. Representative Deuchler." Deuchler: Speaker "Madam Speaker, please change my vote from 'aye' to 'present'."

"Change Deuchler from 'aye' to "present". Representative Klemm."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Would you please change my vote from aye to 'present'."

"Change Representative Klemm from "aye to 'present'. Representative Wait."

"Please change mine from 'aye" to "present"."

Speaker Breslin "Change Representative Wait from ⚫aye to "present". Representative Weaver."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Would you please change my vote from 'aye' to 'present'?"

"Change Representative Weaver from 'aye' to 'present'. Representative Hawkinson."

"Please change my vote from 'aye' to 'present'." Speaker Breslin: lin: "Change Representative Hawkinson from 'aye to Zwick: 'present'. Representative Zwick." "Madam Speaker, in an attempt to vote with my party, I'd like to change from 'aye' to 'present'."

"Change Representative Zwick from 'aye' to 'present'. Representative Didrickson."

"Please change my vote from aye to 'present also."

"Change Representative Didrickson from 'aye' to 'present'. Representative Frederick."

"Please change my vote from "aye" to "present"." 205  65th Legislative Day

STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE "Change June 29, 1985 Representative... Representative Frederick from 'aye' to 'present'. Representative Barger."

"Madam Speaker, would you please change my vote from 'aye' to "present"."

"Change Representative Barger from 'aye' to 'present'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. And on this question, there are 76 voting 'aye', 5 voting 'no' and 3 voting 'present', and the House does concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2106. Representative Greiman has returned. He wishes to be recorded as voting 'aye'. There are, therefore, 77 voting 'aye', 5 voting 'no' and 3 voting 'present', and the House does concur in Senate Amendment ... There are 77 voting 'aye', 5 voting 'no' and 31 voting 'present', and the House does concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2106. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 2129, Representative Oblinger. Representative Oblinger."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. This is a Bill that allows minorities, including women, to have loans for commercial purposes as well as residential purposes and I would ask your concurrence to Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2129. All the Senate did was take out extra verbage. They decided that I didn't have to explain what it was, that by common usage we would know what the words meant."

"Representative Oblinger has moved to concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2129. And on that question, the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Cullerton."

"Yes, would the Sponsor yield?"

"She will."

"Representative Oblinger, my notes indicate that this 206  65th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 29, 1985 is the Bill for the Lieutenant Governor."

"It was not at his request. It was from the Small Business Conference. That recommendation came out from the Conference."

"Who's Small Business Conference?"

"The Lieutenant Governor's Small Business Conference, but it actually came out as a Resolution."

"Well, I mean, the Lieutenant Governor's in favor of the Bill."

"Pardon?"

"The Lieutenant Governor is in favor of the Bill, is he not?"

"Yes. I would hope everybody was in favor of this. Being a woman, I would say that I would favor this Bill - I don't care who supports it."

"No. I'm not fighting. We're not a vindictive party over here."

"Thank you."

"I just wanted to find out if this was the Bill that... that I identified earlier as being the Lieutenant Governor's Bill - the one he's interested in. His Conference... It's a recommendation of his Conference. Fine."

"Yes, Sir."

"Thank you very much."

"The question is, Shall the House concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2129? All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. This is final action. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 117 voting 'aye', none voting 'no' and none voting 'present'. Representative Braun votes 'aye'. There are 118 voting 'aye', none voting 'no' and 207  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day June 29, 1985 none voting "present", and the House concurs in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2129. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 2220, Representative... It appears on page eight on your Calendar, Representative Mautino."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. House Bill 2220 established within the Department of Commerce and Community Affairs, under the Community Development Assistance Program provisions, that would allow for a grant to manufacturers from out-of-state who are moving into the State of Illinois for the relocation costs of machinery and equipment from one state to another. That's the underlying legislation. The Amendment that was added in the Senate expands the eligibility for the grants under the program to include relocation of manufacturing machinery or equipment from one location in Illinois to another in Illinois. So, therefore, it covers out-of-state as well as instate manufacturers, and I move for concurrence on Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2220."

"The Gentleman moves to concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2220. And on that question, is there any discussion? Hearing none, the question is, 'Shall the House concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2220?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. This is final action. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Representative Johnson votes 'aye'. Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 117 voting 'aye', none voting "no" and none voting 'present', and the House concurs in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2220. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. With leave of the Body, we will go back to a Bill that I skipped 208  65th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 29, 1985 and that is Representative Oblinger's Bill, House Bill 2217. It appears on page eighteen on your Calendar. Representative Oblinger."

"Thank you very much, Madam Speaker. This is the disabled abuse Bill. The way it was originally written was to have a pilot project. The people from DORS advised me that they already had the study underway, and so that's what this Bill empowers them to do to conduct a study on the abused disabled and to report back by April 1st of 1986. And that's what the Amendment from the Senate does, and I move to concur with Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2217."

"The Calendar indicates there's Senate Amendments #1 and 2."

"Number 2 is the one that is usually put on by the practitioners of science which say that they shall not be considered abused or neglected because he or she is furnished with or relies upon treatment by spiritual means through paraclete, and that's a Christen Science Amendment."

"The question is, "Shall the House concur in Senate Amendments #1 and 2 to House Bill 2217?" All those in... Is there any discussion? Hearing none, the question is, "Shall the House concur in Senate Amendments #1 and 2 to House Bill 2217?" All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. This is final action. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 117 voting 'aye', none voting 'no' and none voting 'present'. And the House does concur in Senate Amendments #1 and 2 to House Bill 2217. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 2431, Representative Olson. 209  65th Legislative Day Olson: STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 29, 1985 It appears on page eight on your Calendar." "Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 2431 was the Public Aid initiative relative to codifying the various support statutes within the mandatory guidelines set a year ago. Senate Amendment #1 was an LRB suggested technical correction. puts this Bill in... in conformity Basically it with Senate Bill 91; therefore, I would move to concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2431."

"The Gentleman moves to concur in Senate Amendment #l to House Bill 2431. And on the question. the Gentleman from Macon, Representative Dunn."

"Will the Sponsor yield for a question?"

"He will."

"AS amended by the Senate, does this Bill effect the Dissolution of Marriage Act?"

"It effects that, and also the Public Aid Act."

"And what are the changes in the Act?"

Dissolution of Marriage Olson: "Hang on a second. It basically takes the guidelines out of the maintenance Section. Affords more discretion to the court."

"It takes all the guidelines out?" 01son: "Out of the maintenance Section."

"And what about the child support Section?"

"Still in."

"No changes in the child support Section?"

"What has been amended..."

"I can't hear you... What'd he say?"

"What has been amended in the Amendment that was put on here in the... in 2431..."

"What does the Bill do as amended to the child support provisions of the Marriage and Dissolution Act?" 210  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day

"It... What's the guidelines first. June 29, 1985 Permits the courts relative discretion, and also suggests specific things such as the maintenance of a home, the ability to go to the job and those other sectors which the court might make a discretionary..."

"Well, what are these things?"

"Hang on a second. Okay. Do you have the Amendment, Representative Dunn? That is to 2431."

"Where... Where are the changes for child support? What page?"

"Go to page... page 11 of Amendment 1 to 2431, not the Senate Amendment. On page 11, line 11, net income definition - federal income tax, state income tax. These are the exemptions - Social Security, mandatory retirement contributions, union dues, dependent and individual health and hospitalization premiums, prior obligations. Those may be considered."

"What about a mortgage payment on a house?"

"That would be court discretion, Representative Dunn. There are some other expenditures here on page 11 of the original Amendment that would be expenditures for repayment of debt that represent reasonable and necessary expenses for the production of income, medical expenditures, et cetera."

"Well, to the Bill, Madam Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, just very briefly. There are a number of us in here who felt the enactment of the child support guidelines in the first place was a bad idea. If you think that's so, you should probably vote "present" on this legislation. What we have is legislation which makes a bad law better. What we really need is repeal of a bad law. I don't think we're going to get it, but a 'present' vote might help." 211  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day

Speaker Breslin: "There being June 29, 1985 no further discussion, Currie: Representative Currie to close." to "Thank you, Madam Speaker and Members of the House. This Bill is virtually identical if not altogether identical Senate Bill 91, which passed this chamber last week. It is a Bill that responds to legitimate concerns about the presumptive guidelines for child support that were enacted by this Assembly last year. That legislation was good legislation. It's intent was sound. The point of the Amendments, the Amendments that are the heart of... House Bill 2431 and the Senate Amendment is to make sure that not only the intent of the legislation is sound but also that technically the measure is in good shape and that appropriate differences in individual circumstances might be taken into account by Judges of law, by the courts when they are deciding what is not only in the best interest of the child but is necessary for the child with respect to support payments in the event of a dissolution of marriage. This Bill, I believe is supported at this point by Bar Association groups, as well, of course, by the Illinois Department of Public Aid. Various women's groups that have worked on problems of child support, that are concerned about the statistics in this country that suggest that the average yearly support award until recently has been in the neighborhood of 2,000 dollars. I encourage your support for the concurrence Motion. It's good public policy. It's good for our children."

"The question is, "Shall the House concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 24317" All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no". Voting is open. This is final passage. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are lll voting 'aye', none voting 212  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day June 29, 1985 'no' and 5 voting 'present', and the House does concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2431. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 2499 appears on page nine on your Calendar. Representative Ronan."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. I... I move to concur to Senate Amendment, whatever it is, to House Bill 2499. This is part of the infrastructure package. This was a request that came to me by the Director of the Bureau of the Budget, Capital Development Board or the... or the Governor's Office of Planning. Concerning this Amendment, I'll be glad to answer any questions concerning it, and I move to concur to Senate Amendment, whatever it was, to House Bill 2499."

"The Gentleman moves to concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2499. And on the question, the Gentleman from DeWitt, Representative Vinson."

"Yes, Madam Speaker, will the Sponsor yield for a question?"

"He will. Oh, excuse me, the Gentleman will not yield for a question."

"What?"

"The Gentleman will not yield for a question."

"Well, then I would ask that the Bill be taken from the record."

"That's the right of the Sponsor, Sir."

"To take the Bill out of the record?"

"The Sponsor has not requested that the Bill come out of the record, and the Bill has been called."

"Well, I would urge a 'no' vote on the Bill then and request a Verified Oral Roll Call."

"On the question, the Gentleman from DuPage, Representative McCracken." 213  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day

"I believe... I believe the demand for the Oral June 29, 1985 Verified Roll Call has been joined by the requisite number."

"The Gentleman from Sangamon, Representative Curran."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. I move to suspend the rule whereby an Oral Verified Roll Call can be called for, and I ask for 60 votes on this side to suspend that rule."

"Representative Curran, you're not recognized for that purpose. The Speaker will allow an Oral Verified Roll Call on this Bill. Representative Ronan, for what reason do you seek recognition?"

"I'm sure that Representative Vinson's question will be probably one of the most enlightening questions that we've heard today SO I'll be glad to answer his enlightening question."

"The Gentleman has changed his mind and would like to answer Representative Vinson's question. Proceed, Representative Vinson."

"Representative, what is the effect of Senate Amendment #1?"

"Senate Amendment #1 was a request by the Governor's Office to put in a reporting date into this legislation."

"And what does the underlying Bill do?"

"The underlying Bill is one of the infrastructure Bills that I passed during the General Session that passed out of the House, and most of them had over a hundred votes on them."

"Yes, but what does this one do?"

"This is the... I think this is the five year capital plan."

"I'm sorry. I can't hear you, Representative."

"This is the one where DCCA has a local infrastructure 214  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day June 29, 1985 study that we're... that we're mandating so that we can do an analysis of all the infrastructure needs around the state. And what the Senate Amendment does was put a reporting date of January of 1987 so it doesn't... so the report is not used for political reasons during the next gubernatorial campaign."

"What is the estimated cost of complying with the study?"

"400,000 dollars."

"And what will we... What information should we expect as a result of the study?"

"Well, the information we're going to get, Representative Vinson, is to stop you from putting partisan projects in local... local improvement projects. You know, we fund a lot of projects here in the State of Illinois. I'm sorry to say that many of them in the past have been done based on key Legislators going to the Governor and demanding that certain projects be done. I think it should be done on a reasonable, rational basis where an infrastructure study is done, a set of priorities are established so that when we spend these millions of dollars they can go into the areas of the real need as opposed to where you have a clout Legislator."

"How is infrastructure defined in the Bill?"

"Infrastructure is defined based on the federal guidelines."

"Based on what?"

"The federal guidelines as you define infrastructure. As you're well aware, Representative Vinson, infrastructure normally refers to water projects, sewer projects, water treatment projects, road projects and bridge projects."

"What... Is there federal legislation or guidelines in this field?"

"Not in this Bill." 215  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day

"In the field."

"The federal... June 29, 1985 The federal program that we passed guideline... earlier this The federal Session was my revolving loan fund to get some additional federal dollars here in the State of Illinois."

"But... But there are no... There is no federal law defining infrastructure for purposes of this Act?"

"Of course, there's a federal law dealing with the definition of infrastructure."

"Does it include sewage treatment plants?"

"Yes, it does."

"Does it include mass transit facilities?"

"Yes, it does."

"Does it include the kind of work... Does it include water systems and water wells?"

"It includes water systems. I assume water wells are part of water systems."

"Would part of this deal with the problem of declining water levels in the... around the state?"

"I... I'd assume that if you're interested in declining water levels and the study shows there's a real need there, those projects could be considered by... by State Government as possibly worthwhile. That's what the study's going to identify - where the needs are, what the real priorities are and what projects should be funded by State Government."

"And finally, does this survey require any information in regard to how... how modern and how obsolete the various infrastructure elements are?"

"Absolutely. That would be one of the key criterion that we should use in funding state projects."

"Okay. Thank you."

"The Lady from Cook, Representative Currie." 216  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day Currie: Session. June 29, 1985 "Thank you, Madam Speaker and Members of the House. This is one of the most important Bills we'll vote on this Anyone who is opposed to pork, anyone who goes home and tells the people of your own district that you are setting the right standards and doing the right job for all the people in the State of Illinois had better be voting 'yes' on the concurrence Motion on House Bill 2499. This is a chance, finally in the state, to take the business of doing infrastructure projects out of the hands of the people who make decisions on political bases, rather than on the basis of need for those projects. Anyone who would like to consider him or herself a politician, a Representative who cares about doing things the right way, whose hands are clean, who opposes pork and patronage should certainly want to support this concurrence Motion."

"The question is, "Shall the House concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2499?" Does Representative Vinson persist in his request? The Gentleman persists in his request for an Oral Verified Roll Call. The rules are the same, Ladies and Gentlemen. When your name is called, stand and announce your vote. Mr. Clerk, begin at the top of the Calendar. This is final passage, Ladies and Gentlemen. Ladies and Gentlemen, this is going to be an Oral Verified Roll Call requested by Representative Vinson. Representatives, Ladies and Gentlemen, the Gentleman is within his rights in requesting an Oral Verified Roll Call. Clear the board, Mr. Clerk. When we begin and your name is called, stand and announce your vote. The question is, "Shall the House concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2499?" All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'."

"Alexander."

"Alexander votes 'aye'." 217  65th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 29, 1985

"Barger."

"Barger. Excuse me. There are several people who have voted when only one name was called. Mr. Clerk, dump the Roll. Ladies and Gentlemen, you are only delaying the process. The question is, on an Oral Verified Roll Call, 'Shall the House concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2499?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Representative Christensen, this is an Oral Verified Roll Call. Dump the Roll, Mr. Clerk. We're going to try again. The question is, 'Shall the House concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2499?' Representative Alexander votes 'aye'. Mr. Clerk, continue."

"Barger."

"Barger, how do you vote? Just stand up and vote. You don't have to talk. The Gentleman votes... The Gentleman votes 'present'."

"Barnes."

"Barnes votes 'aye'."

"Berrios."

"Berrios votes 'aye'."

"Bowman."

"Bowman. Bowman passes."

"Braun."

"Braun votes 'aye'."

"Breslin."

"Breslin votes 'aye'."

"Brookins."

"Brookins votes 'aye'."

"Brunsvold."

"Brunsvold votes 'aye'."

"Bullock."

"Bullock passes." 218  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day

"Capparelli."

"Capparelli votes 'aye'."

"Christensen." June 29, 1985

"Christensen votes 'present'... votes 'aye'. Christensen votes 'aye'. Vote your switch, Sir."

"Churchill."

"Churchill. Churchill seeks recognition. The Gentleman is recognized to explain his vote."

"To quickly explain my vote, I think I'd like to be 'aye on this Bill, but I'd also like to have a chance to hear Representative Davis' Bill 1918. And I guess until we have a chance to know when that's going to be called, I'm going to have to vote 'present'."

"Representative Churchill votes 'present'."

"Countryman."

"Representative Countryman votes 'present'."

"Cowlishaw."

"Cowlishaw votes 'present'."

"Cullerton."

"Cullerton votes 'aye'."

"Curran."

"Curran votes 'aye'."

"Currie."

"Currie votes 'aye'."

"Daniels."

"Daniels passes."

"Davis."

"Davis passes."

"DeJaegher."

"DeJaegher. DeJaegher votes 'aye'."

"DeLeo."

"DeLeo votes 'aye'."

"Deuchler." 219  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day June 29, 1985

"Vote your switch, Sir. Vote your switch. Deuchler votes 'present'."

"Didrickson."

"Didrickson votes... Didrickson passes."

"Dunn."

"Dunn votes 'aye'."

"Ewing."

"Ewing passes."

"Farley."

"Farley votes 'aye'."

"Flinn."

"Flinn votes 'aye'."

"Flowers."

"Flowers votes 'aye'."

"Virginia Frederick."

"Virginia Frederick votes 'aye'."

"Dwight Friedrich."

"Dwight Friedrich votes 'present'."

"Giglio."

"Giglio passes."

"Giorgi."

"Giorgi votes 'aye'."

"Goforth."

"Goforth votes 'present'."

"Greiman."

"Greiman passes."

"Hallock."

"Hallock vote 'present'."

"Hannig."

"Hannig votes 'aye'."

"Harris."

"Harris passes."

"Hartke." 220  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day June 29, 1985

"Hartke votes 'aye'."

"Hastert."

"Hastert passes."

"Hawkinson."

"Hawkinson passes."

"Hensel."

"Hensel passes."

"Hicks."

"Hicks votes 'aye'."

"Hoffman."

"Hoffman votes 'aye'."

"Homer."

"Homer votes 'aye'."

"Huff."

"Huff votes 'aye'."

"Johnson."

"Johnson. Johnson. Johnson votes 'present'."

"Keane."

"Keane votes 'aye'."

"Kirkland."

"Excuse me. Is Representative Keane in the chamber? Excuse me. He is in the chamber. He votes 'aye'. Proceed, Mr. Clerk."

"Kirkland."

"Kirkland passes."

"Klemm."

"Flinn. Oh, excuse me. Kirkland votes 'present'. Flinn... What was the name again?"

"Klemm."

"Klemm votes 'present'."

"Koehler."

"Koehler votes 'present'."

"Krska." 221  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day

"Krska passes."

"Kubik."

"Kubik votes 'present'."

"Kulas."

"Kulas votes 'aye'."

"Laurino."

"Laurino. Laurino passes."

"LeFlore."

"LeFlore votes 'aye'."

"Leverenz."

"Leverenz. Leverenz passes."

"Levin."

"Levin votes 'aye'."

"Matijevich."

"Matijevich votes 'aye'."

"Mautino."

"Mautino votes 'aye'."

"Mays."

"Mays votes 'aye'."

"McAuliffe."

"McAuliffe votes 'aye'."

"McCracken."

"McCracken votes 'present'."

"McGann."

"McGann votes 'aye'."

"McMaster."

"McMaster votes 'aye'."

"McNamara."

"McNamara votes 'aye'."

"McPike."

"McPike passes."

"Mulcahey."

"Mulcahey votes 'aye'." June 29, 1985 222  65th Legislative Day

"Nash."

"Nash votes 'aye'."

"Oblinger."

"Oblinger votes 'aye'."

"O'Connell."

"O'Connell votes 'aye'."

"Olson."

"Olson votes 'present'. Olson passes."

"Panayotovich."

"Panayotovich votes 'aye'."

"Pangle."

"Pangle passes."

"Parcells."

"Parcells passes."

"Parke."

"Parke. Parke. Representative Parke votes "present"."

"B. Pedersen."

"Pedersen votes 'present'."

"W. Peterson."

"Peterson votes green, votes 'aye'."

"Phelps."

"Phelps votes 'aye'."

"Piel."

"Piel votes 'present'."

"Preston."

"Preston votes 'aye'."

"Pullen."

"Pullen votes 'no'."

"Rea."

"Rea votes 'aye'."

"Regan."

"Regan votes 'present'." STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 29, 1985 223  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 65th Legislative Day

"Rice."

"Rice votes 'aye'." June 29, 1985

"Richmond."

"Richmond votes 'aye'... Richmond passes."

"Ronan."

"Ronan votes 'aye'."

"Ropp."

"Ropp. Ropp votes 'present'."

"Ryder."

"Ryder votes 'present'."

"Saltsman."

"Saltsman votes 'aye'."

"Satterthwaite."

"Satterthwaite votes 'aye'."

"Shaw."

"Shaw votes 'aye'."

"Slater."

"Slater votes 'present'."