Illinois House Floor Debate — January 8, 1986

"The hour of 12:00 having arrived, the House will now be in Session. Members will be in their seats. The Chaplain for today will be the Reverend William Yandell, Pastor of Grace United Methodist Church of Lake Bluff, Illinois. Reverend Yandell is the guest of Representative Virginia Frederick. Will the guests in the gallery please rise and join us for the invocation?

Reverend Yandell."

"Thank you. Let us pray. It is good to give thanks unto Thee, Oh Lord, to declare Your steadfast love in the morning and Your faithfulness by night, for You have made us glad by Your work, and at the works of Your hands, we sing for joy. We sense Your indwelling spirit calling us forth to be and to do our best, realizing the high privilege of sacred trust granted to each one. Now, at the beginning of our labors for this new year, grant the resources that can only come from the gifts of Your grace, those of understanding, bonds of friendship, wisdom, industry, compassion, high honor, integrity, skill, imagination, good humor, energy and much pleasure. Then, at the end of the year, with tasks satisfactorily accomplished, may all sense the mantle of Your praise, proclaiming, 'Well done, good and faithful servants. Enter thou into the joy of your Lord.' In Your gracious and wondrous spirit, we pray, amen."

"Mr. Ropp, the Gentleman from McLean, will lead us in the pledge to the flag."

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

"Roll Call for Attendance. Mr. Hallock, would 1  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 88th Legislative Day January 8, 1986 you turn around and press my 'present' switch? The Clerk will take the record. 114 Members having answered to the Call of the Quorum, a quorum is present. Mr. Matijevich, are there any excused absences on the Democratic side?"

"Yes, Mr. Speaker. Let the record reflect the excused absence of Representative Braun due to illness."

"Let the record so reflect. Mr. Hoffman, do you know, are there any excused absences on the Republican side? Mr. Hoffman, the Gentleman from DuPage."

"Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker. Representative Davis is excused due to legislative business."

"Let the record so reflect. The Gentleman from St. Clair, Mr. Flinn, in the Chair."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, it's with a deep sense of pride and joy that I would introduce you to Miss Junior Miss of Illinois, Jill Anne 'Klaus'. Jill Anne?"

"Thank you, Members of the House. I am very pleased to be here today, and I wanted to tell you just a little bit about the Junior Miss Program. First of all, it's not a beauty pageant. It's a scholarship program. As Illinois' Junior Miss, I was awarded $3,550 in scholarship monies and specific scholarships to 11 different colleges and universities in the State of Illinois. I hope that the scholarship fund continues, and I wish to encourage a lot of other girls my age to get involved in programs such as this. Are there any questions about anything about the Junior Miss Program?"

"Yeah, how did you get so pretty so fast?"

"That was my mom's doing. Thank you very much."

"The Gentleman from Effingham, Mr. Hartke, in the Chair." 2  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 88th Legislative Day January 8, 1986

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. It is indeed an honor and a privilege at this time for me to introduce Angelina Richardson from Eastern Illinois University, who is Chairman of the Students Against Multiple Sclerosis. Angela."

"Thank you. I'm here today to hopefully you passing a Resolution making February 'Bust MS' month. Those of you who know something about MS know that it is a disease that does not have a cause or a cure. We hope that you will support us, and the students across Illinois and the nation will be working hard for this cause. And if you have any questions, I'd be happy to answer them now. Okay, thank you very much."

"Representative Greiman in the Chair. The Gentleman from Winnebago, Mr. Giorgi, on the Death Resolutions. Mr. Clerk, on Death Resolutions."

"House Resolution 896, offered by Representative Madigan, with respect to the memory of Richard A. Lewin. House Resolution 904, offered by Representative Johnson, with respect to the memory of Roland Winkelmann. House Resolution 908, offered by Representative Wyvetter Younge, with respect to the memory of Bessie Garvin. House Resolution 913, offered by Representative Flowers, with respect to the memory of Mabel Phillips. House Resolution 918, offered by Representative Flowers, with respect to the memory of Mr. Danny Jordan. House Resolution 921, offered by Representative Shaw, with respect to the memory of Shirley Jean Williams Pamplin. House Resolution 922, offered by Representative Shaw, with respect to the memory of Victor Peacock. House Resolution 923, offered by Representative Shaw, with respect to the memory of Lizzie Mae Jefferson Moore. House Resolution 924, offered by Representative Matijevich - et al, with respect to the 3  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 88th Legislative Day January 8, 1986 memory of Lieutenant Franklin W. Mercer. House Resolution 925, offered by Representative Matijevich - et al, with respect to the memory of Leo F. Kukla. House Resolution 927, offered by Representative Ewing - et al, with respect to the memory of Clarence B. Ropp, former... father of Representative Ropp. House Resolution 928, offered by Representative Currie, with respect to the memory of Celena Reed."

"The Gentleman from Winnebago, Mr. Giorgi."

"I move for the adoption of the Death Resolutions."

"The Gentleman from Winnebago, Mr. Giorgi, moves for the adoption of the Death Resolutions. Those in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Death Resolutions are adopted. First Reading. Introduction of Bills, First Reading."

"Introduction and First Reading of Bills. House Bill 2576, Preston, a Bill for an Act in relation to the privacy of child victims of sexual criminal offenses. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2577, Preston, a Bill for an Act in relation to testimony of certain child victims of criminal sexual offenses. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2578, Preston, a Bill for an Act making appropriation to the Illinois Supreme Court. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2579, Preston, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the State's Attorneys Appellate Service Commission Act. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2580, Preston, a Bill for an Act making appropriation to the State's Attorneys Appellate Service Commission Act. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2581, Preston, a Bill for an Act to add an Article to the Code of Criminal Procedure. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2582, Preston, a Bill for an Act concerning missing children. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2593, Preston, a 4  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 88th Legislative Day January 8, 1986 Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Civil Administrative Code of Illinois. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2584, Preston, a Bill for an Act concerning education, amending certain Acts herein named. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2585, McPike - Wolf and Flinn, a Bill for an Act to create the Southwest Illinois Development Authority. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2586, McPike - Wolf and Flinn, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the Southwest Illinois Development Authority. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2587, Greiman, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the School Code. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2588, Bowman, a Bill for an Act to add an article to the Illinois Insurance Code. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2589, Bowman, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Insurance Code. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2590, Mautino, a Bill for an Act to add Sections to an Act to provide for the manner of levying and imposing taxes for the provision of special services to areas within the boundaries of home rule units and non home rule municipalities and counties. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2591, Cullerton, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Vehicle Code. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2592, Cullerton, a Bill for an Act in relation to the seat safety belts and seat back heights for school busses. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2593, offered by Wyvetter Younge, a Bill for an Act to add Sections to the Minority and Female Business Enterprise Act. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2594, Anthony Young, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Code of Civil Procedure. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2595, DeJaegher, a Bill for an Act creating the Illinois Cancer Registry Act. First Reading of the Bill. House 5  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 98th Legislative Day January 8, 1986 Bill 2596, Wolf, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Uniform Criminal Extradition Act. First Reading of the Bill."

"Yes, for what purpose does the Gentleman from DeWitt, Mr. Vinson, seek recognition?"

"Inquiry of the Chair, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, is the real Speaker in attendance in Springfield today?"

"I'll check the Roll. Yes, he answered to the... to the quorum call. He is here."

"Do you have any idea whether it's his intention to come to the floor and transact the legislative business of the state today, or is he going to sit back there in the back office and prolong this Session the way he did the Veto Session?"

"I... I certainly thought you could do better for openers than that one, Sam."

"Well, I would just like to dispose of this Session in one day. There's no reason to make people stay down here another day if we could get the Speaker out here and vote on some Bills."

"Well, the Session's only 20 minutes old. I suppose we could relax, at least for 35-40 minutes maybe, or maybe even an hour."

"It will probably end up being seven or eight days before this operation's over."

"Well, I hope you brought some clothes. Mr. Vinson, we're going to move to the Order of Agreed Resolutions, so I wanted to give you a little notice on that. Agreed Resolutions."

"House Resolution 897, Washington; 898, McNamara; 899, McNamara; 900, Jane Barnes; 901, Leverenz; 902, Flowers; 903, Johnson; 905, Terzich; 906, McGann; 907, Terzich; 910, Cullerton; 911, Madigan; 912, Mulcahey; 915, 6  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 98th Legislative Day January 8, 1986 Madigan; 916, Ryder; 917, Ryder; 919, Flowers; 926, Hastert. And House Joint Resolution 126, Panayotovich; and 128, Preston."

"On the Agreed Resolutions, the Gentleman from Winnebago, Mr. Giorgi."

"Mr. Speaker, I move for the adoption of the Agreed Resolutions."

"The Gentleman from Winnebago has moved for the adoption of the Agreed Resolutions. Those in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Agreed Resolutions are adopted. General Resolutions."

"House Resolution 914, Hastert. House Joint Resolution 91, Daniels. House Joint Resolution 92, Madigan. House Joint Resolution 127, Preston. House Resolution 909, Madigan. House Resolution 920, Flowers."

"Committee on Assignment. The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. McGann, for what purpose do you seek recognition? Yes, I should call attention to the fact that a former Member is on the floor. The Member served in 197... '65 to '67, Adlai Stevenson. He probably has some other things in his resume, but being a Member of this House is probably the most important. For what purpose does the Gentleman from Cook, Mr. McGann, seek recognition?"

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the Assembly. I would ask that the... we would be able to waive the appropriate rule so that a public hearing on the subject matter of anti-solicitation and 'panic' peddling would be able to be held on Monday, January 13 at the new State of Illinois Center in Chicago. I have checked with the Republican side of the aisle, and they have no objections to this procedure. And the reason I'm asking for it is, there had been a little foulup in the filing... proper 7  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 89th Legislative Day January 8, 1986 filing date. So, I'd ask this waiving of the appropriate rule at this time. Thank you, Mr. Speaker."

"Does the Gentleman have leave to waive the appropriate posting rule so that a hearing may be held on the 13th of January on anti-solicitation? There being no objection, the Gentleman has leave, and the rules with respect to hearing are... posting are waived."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker."

"The Gentleman from Lake, Mr. Matijevich, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"

"Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I would ask leave... use of the Attendance Roll Call to waive the rule whereby the Rules Committee can meet while the House is in Session to hear the Bills and Resolutions that were posted for the 1:00 meeting so that we may meet immediately. The reason we want to meet immediately, there are some matters in Rules Committee that we have to decide so that we can consider them today. This has been cleared on the Republican side of the aisle, so I would ask leave."

"The Gentleman from Lake, Mr. Matijevich, asks leave of the House to waive the posting requirements and the requirements of the Rules Committee meeting during the Session... while the House is in Session so that the Committee may meet at this time, Mr. Matijevich? Is that correct? Right now?"

"Right now, in the Speaker's Conference Room."

"Alright. Does the Gentleman have leave? Leave and use of the Attendance Roll Call. You have leave, Sir. Alright. Members of the House Rules Committee, there will a Rules Committee meeting at this time, right now, immediately in the Speaker's Conference Room. So, if you would retire to the Speaker's Conference Room, we would appreciate it. Ms. Alexander, for what purpose do you seek 8  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 88th Legislative Day January 9, 1986 recognition?"

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and to the Members of the House, I would like to invite you to birthday cake for my seatmate, Robert LeFlore, whose birthday was on the sixth of January and to the birthday celebration of Douglas Huff, whose birthday is today. There's cake for everybody. Please feel free to come and get a piece."

"Thank you. Alright. Members of the Rules Committee, the Rules Committee is now meeting, so if you would retire to the Speaker's Conference Room, we would appreciate it, so that we may get on with the business of the House. Committee Reports."

"The Committee on Rules has met, and pursuant to Rule 29 c(3), the following Bills have been ruled exempt on January 8, 1986: House Bill 2573, Senate Bill 1064, Senate Bill 1345, House Resolution 909 and House Resolution 910. Supplemental Calendar #1 is being distributed."

"The House will be... The House will come to order. Those not entitled to the floor should withdraw. On the Order of Conference Committee Reports - Motions, appears House Resolution 910. Mr. Clerk, a Motion on House Resolution 910."

"Motion. 'Pursuant to Rule 43(a), I move to bypass Committee and place House Resolution 909 on the Speaker's table for immediate consideration. The Resolution has been reproduced and distributed on the Members' desks. Signed, Speaker Madigan.'"

"I am advised that Mr. Bowman is going to handle that on behalf of the Speaker. Mr. Bowman."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Resolution 909 addresses itself to the Build Illinois Program with which we are all so familiar." 9  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 88th Legislative Day January 8, 1986

"Mr. Bowman, excuse me. Perhaps if there is no objection, we should adopt your Motion, then we can go to the Order of Speaker's Table and consider that. Is there objection to waiving Rule 43 (a) for immediate consideration of House Resolution 909? There is objection. Mr. Bowman, proceed."

"I move that we suspend House Rule 43(a) for immediate consideration."

"Alright. The Gentleman... Mr. Bowman has moved for the... has moved to waive Rule 43(a) with respect to House Resolution 909 for immediate consideration and placed on the Speaker's table. And on that, the Gentleman from DeWitt, Mr. Vinson."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentleman of the Assembly, I rise in opposition..."

"Excuse me, Mr. Vinson. Excuse me, Mr. Vinson. Ladies and Gentlemen, on the Democratic side in the well, there is a huge din coming from the well. If you would take your seats, please, Mr. Giglio, Mr. Berrios, Mr. Nash. Alright. Let's give Mr. Vinson some order, please. Mr. Bowman? Excuse me, Mr. Bowman. For what purpose do you seek recognition?"

"Well, Mr. Speaker, I believe that it's customary for the maker of the Motion to have the first..."

"Bite of the apple. Mr. Vinson, I'm not sure Mr. Bowman knew that there was going to be this opposition, so we'll let him make a presentation. Mr. Bowman."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I am moving for immediate consideration because time is of the essence. We will, in all likelihood, be in Session only a single day in this month, and already the fiscal year is half over. This Resolution deals with the Build Illinois Program, an expenditure of at least 280 10  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 88th Legislative Day January 8, 1986 million dollars, and it is essential that before the fiscal year wanes any further, that we establish a Joint Subcommittee of the House Appropriations I and II Committees to provide legislative oversight and input to the Build Illinois Program. Time is of the essence. The fiscal year's halfway over, and I do not believe that we will be meeting further during this month to... at which time we could consider the issue, so we must consider it now. I move for immediate consideration."

"The Gentleman from DeWitt, Mr. Vinson."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Assembly, last year this Assembly, under the cooperative and constructive leadership of Mr. Daniels and Mr. Madigan, took an important step in reforming the structure of this Legislature. We abolished Commissions and vested their authority primarily in a Committee structure. A' Committee structure is not a be-all and end-all in effective legislative process. A Committee structure only works if it's made to work. I would submit that constantly creating new Committees so that every Member of the General Assembly can be a Chairman or a Spokesman on a Committee is a silly way to effectively deal with government. We have Appropriations Committees which have substantial oversight responsibility. In times past, the Appropriations Committee in this House has effectively discharged its oversight responsibility. There is no reason the Appropriations Committee can't oversee the expenditure of and the utilization of Build Illinois money. There is no reason that we have to create some new Committee creature to substitute for what the Appropriation Committee should be doing. We can do, in short, everything that this Resolution proposes to do through the Appropriation Committees. We ought not, I think, ever, establish the 11  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 88th Legislative Day January 8, 1986 process of just creating, willy-nilly, a new Committee on one day notice without Members of this Assembly having the time to seriously consider whether or not it's even appropriate to create a new Committee, and yet, that's what the Gentleman proposes to do. There is no reason to do this. It is a simple partisan reaction that has the effect of destroying the complete effectiveness of the legislative Committee system. I can't see why any Member would vote for this. I can't see why any Member would bring this kind of proposal to this Assembly, except perhaps for the need of some Members to say that any idea should be brought to this Assembly. I strongly urge a 'no' vote on this."

"Mr. Vinson, address the..."

"And Mr. Speaker, I request a Roll Call vote."

"Of course. Address the Motion, however, rather than the underlying Resolution, if you will."

"Yes, I am, Mr. Speaker. And I would ask not only for a Roll Call vote and a 'no' vote, but a verification, should it appear to get the requisite number, which is 71, I believe, Mr. Speaker. And I would ask you to rule on that now."

"You are indeed correct, Mr. Vinson. It is 71 votes. Further discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Cullerton."

"Yes, would the Sponsor yield?"

"Indicates he'll yield for questions."

"Representative Bowman, after hearing Representative Vinson and his speech #29, the anti-commission speech, which we've all heard in the past, I thought perhaps this was the enactment of a new Commission. So I read it, and my question to you is, doesn't this Resolution call for a Subcommittee of the House Appropriations Committee to be established? The question is for Representative Bowman." 12  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 99th Legislative Day January 8, 1986

"Mr. Bowman."

"Yes, Representative Cullerton, the speaker from... the Gentleman from DeWitt was absolutely wrong in his representation of the Resolution that he just made. The Resolution..."

"Well, of course, he would have to be wrong, otherwise he couldn't be against it."

"Absolutely. No, this Committee... This Resolution merely establishes a Joint Subcommittee of the two Appropriations Committees for the purposes of review. Under the House Rules, we may only establish Subcommittees by a vote of the Committees or a vote of the entire House. It seemed more efficient in the case of a Joint Committee to do so by Resolution of the entire House."

"Well, the previous speaker's argument was that this whole process should be handled by the Committee structure, the existing Committee structure. And that's what this Resolution..."

"And he is absolutely right on that point, because that's what the Resolution does."

"But he really was... was arguing in favor of the Resolution."

"Well, if you take his argument and apply it to the substance of the Resolution, then even Mr. Vinson would be voting for this Resolution."

"Well, Mr. Speaker, I would agree, then, with the substance of the points made by Representative Vinson and urge an 'aye' vote on the Motion."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Madigan."

"Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen, I rise to support the Gentleman's Motion for immediate consideration of this Resolution, and I greet with deep regret the remarks of the Gentleman on the other side of the aisle. This..." 13  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 89th Legislative Day January 8, 1986

"Why is my... Okay. For what purpose does the Gentleman from DeWitt seek recognition?"

"Mr. Speaker, there's something wrong with Mr. Madigan's microphone, and it's... he is virtually inaudible on this side of the chamber. And I wonder if you could do something about that."

"Those who hear are never deaf. Go ahead. See if we can raise the volume of Representative Madigan's microphone. Mr. Madigan? Yes."

"Mr. Speaker, could we at least get an assurance from that side of the aisle that they will at least listen, that they'll have open minds?"

"They'll listen, not that they'll have open minds."

"No assurances, Mr. Speaker?"

"Mr. Vinson?"

"Not only can we assure him that we will listen, as we always do, attentively, to him, we will approach it with an open mind, and we'll all think on our own, which is something that he can't say on his side of the aisle."

"Mr... Mr. Madigan."

"Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, the Resolution relates to the implementation and the execution of the Build Illinois Program. You all remember that this issue was very seriously and thoroughly debated by this Body and by the Senate, and you will recall that there were numerous pronouncements by Members of this Body that the implementation of this program must be fair and equitable to every section of the state. At the time that I supported Mr. Thompson's initiative, at the time that it was passed by the Legislature, my pledge was that I would monitor the implementation of this program to assure that it would be fair and equitable to all of Illinois. I will 14  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 88th Legislative Day January 8, 1986 continue in that pledge. This Resolution is just one step in the furtherance of my pledge that there be fairness and that there be equality of implementation of Build Illinois. Today, we are simply moving for immediate consideration of this Resolution. If this Motion fails, we will not be dissuaded in our efforts to ensure that the program be fair and equitable. We'll simply come back at our next opportunity, and we do pledge again that this program will not be used for purposes other than those that were set in the record when it was adopted by the Legislature. Thank you, Mr. Speaker."

"The Gentleman from Livingston, Mr. Ewing."

"Mr. Speaker, I wonder if the Sponsor would yield for a question."

"Indicates... Indicates..."

"When we're talking about a Joint Committee, you're talking from the two House Appropriations Committees?"

"Yes, is my light working? Alright. Mr. Bowman."

"Yes, Representative Ewing, we are talking about a Joint Subcommittee between the two House Appropriation Committees."

"Mr. Ewing."

"Is there some provision in the rules that requires us to pass a Resolution for the Speaker to appoint that Committee?"

"Well, Representative Ewing, under our rules, the Subcommittees can be established only by a vote of the Committee itself or by a Resolution of the entire House. Now, in the case of a Joint Subcommittee, it would seem most appropriate to have a Resolution considered by the entire Body rather than the two... two Appropriation Committees acting independently. Furthermore, in this way, 15  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 88th Legislative Day January 8, 1986 Representative Ewing, the precise Membership of the Subcommittees can be set forth in the Resolution, and everybody can consider that as part of the issue."

"Well, there are no... no Membership names set forth in this Resolution."

"I'm sorry, Representative Ewing. Would you repeat the question?"

"I see no names in this Resolution. Are you talking about actual names of the Members? Your last comment."

"In the last resolve clause? No, I'm sorry, in the next to the last..."

"Or just the numbers. Is that what you were talking about?"

"Yes, just the numbers. It says in the penultimate resolve clause, it says, 'Resolved that such task force shall consist of four Members appointed by the Speaker and three appointed by the Minority Leader.' Period."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I oppose this Resolution. I do so for the same reasons that Representative Vinson mentioned, but in addition, I would call to the attention of this Body that the Speaker has not come to us with many of his other Special Committees. I wonder why he needs a vote on this Special Committee? I would also encourage the Speaker to take this same attitude towards many other areas of spending in this Body which have just as much need for oversight and which go on year after year after year with no oversight. And I would suggest that he consider that, and maybe we should come back with the complete package of oversight Committees."

"Further discussion? There being none, Mr. Bowman to close."

"Well, thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. The Resolution establishes a Joint Committee of 16  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 88th Legislative Day January 8, 1986 the two standing House Appropriations Committee. It does not set up any new structure. What we are doing here is using the Committee system. We are using it pursuant to our rules. We are acting within the framework of the rules and our present Committee system. I would point out to those on the other side of the aisle, such as the last speaker, who feel that perhaps there are other areas that need oversight, that the Build Illinois Program is a unique program. It is the first time in the history of the State of Illinois that we have seen a program of this scope or magnitude. The uniqueness of this program cries out for careful monitoring and analysis, and for legislative input. We are halfway through the fiscal year, and there has been considerable input from the Executive Branch. We have had a special task force appointed by the Governor, completely outside the framework of any monitoring or oversight function of the Executive Branch, and yet, when we have a Resolution here on the floor of the House that proposes to use the existing legislative framework to provide legislative input to a very important wide-ranging and expensive program, we hear nothing but opposition from the other side of the aisle. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, an 'aye' vote for immediate consideration is a vote for legislative sovereignty and a vote for fiscal integrity, and I ask for your 'aye' vote."

"The question is, 'Shall the Motion to suspend Rule 43(a) with respect to House Resolution 909 be adopted?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is now open. 71 votes required. Have all voted who wish? Yes, Ms. Pullen, one minute to explain your vote."

"Actually, Mr. Speaker, an inquiry of the Chair. Could you please explain to me why there is a 'yes' vote recorded 17  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 88th Legislative Day January 8, 1986 next to a blank space on the board above Mr. O'Connell's name?"

"That's the edge. I'm advised, Ms. Pullen, that it totals 119... Yeah. Alright. Let's see if we can change that board. Yes, Mr. Piel. For what purpose do you seek recognition?"

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, I've never been a great mathematician, but the way I figure the votes up on the board, 66, 49, and 2 equal 117, not 118. Maybe we'd better check and see if there's something wrong with the board."

"Apparently, that's occasioned by the fact that Representative Oblinger is not on the board, and I think that's the reason for it."

"Yeah, because where her name is is a green vote, so maybe that should be taken off, right? The way I figure it, Mr. Speaker, if we took our green vote out, we'd still have 117 on the board... 116 instead of 119."

"Yes. Alright. It appears, Ms. Pullen, that there are 117 people who are accounted for, and there are indeed 117 votes. Mr. Vinson, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"

"Mr. Speaker, my understanding is that the numbers on the board total to 117, 2 of which are listed as not voting, and it's my understanding that Mr. Davis, Representative Braun and Representative White have not voted on this issue, and that totals 3, not 2, so there's another substantial problem. And it would seem to me that what we're going to have to do is go to an Oral Roll Call conducted by the Clerk because we cannot rely on the accuracy of the electronic machine. We've now demonstrated in two respects there's a problem with the electronic machine, and I would request that we go to an Oral Roll Call by the Clerk." 19  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 98th Legislative Day January 8, 1986

"Alright. Mr. Clerk, you are directed to dump this Roll Call. We're going to take another Roll Call and see if... what our numbers come out and see if it works electronically. Okay? All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is now open on the Motion. Alright. We want to be certain that the integrity of the voting system is correct, and so, Mr. Clerk, call the Roll. Mr. Vinson, were you still seeking recognition for some purpose? Mr. Vinson."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker. I would request that, in going through this procedure, that the Assistant Clerk also be there and mark the names along with it so we can make sure that we've got a doubly valid count."

"I think that we'll do as we always do. Mr. Clerk, proceed to read... to call the Roll."

"Alexander. Alexander. Alexander votes 'aye'. Barger. Barger votes 'no'. Barnes. Barnes votes 'no'. Berrios. Berrios votes 'aye'. Bowman. Bowman votes 'aye'. Braun. Braun. Braun passes. Breslin. Breslin votes 'aye'. Brookins. Brookins votes 'aye'. Brunsvold. Brunsvold votes 'aye'. Bullock. Bullock 'pass'. Capparelli. Capparelli votes 'aye'. Christensen. Christensen 'pass'. Christensen votes 'aye'. Churchill. Churchill votes 'no'. Countryman. Countryman votes 'no'. Cowlishaw. Cowlishaw votes 'no'. Cullerton. Cullerton votes 'aye'. Curran. Curran votes 'aye'. Currie. Currie votes 'aye'. Daniels. Daniels votes 'no'. Davis. Davis is excused. DeJaegher. DeJaegher votes 'aye'. DeLeo. DeLeo votes 'aye'. Deuchler. Deuchler votes 'no'. Didrickson. Didrickson votes 'no'. Dunn. Dunn votes 'aye'. Ewing. Ewing votes 'no'. Farley. Farley votes 'aye'. Flinn. Flinn. Monroe Flinn. Flinn votes 'aye'. Flowers. Flowers votes 'aye'. Virginia Frederick. 19  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 98th Legislative Day January 9, 1996 Virginia Frederick votes 'no'. Dwight Friedrich. Dwight Friedrich votes 'no'. Giglio. Giglio votes 'aye'. Giorgi. Giorgi votes 'aye'. Goforth. Goforth votes 'no'. Greiman. Greiman votes 'aye'. Hallock. Hallock votes 'no'. Hannig. Hannig votes 'aye'. Harris. Harris votes 'no'. Hartke. Hartke votes 'aye'. Hastert. Hastert votes 'no'. Hawkinson. Hawkinson votes 'no'. Hensel. Hensel votes 'no'. Hicks. Hicks votes 'aye'. Hoffman. Hoffman. Hoffman votes 'no'. Homer. Homer votes 'aye'. Huff. Huff votes 'aye'. Johnson. Johnson. Johnson votes 'no'. Keane. Keane votes 'aye'. Kirkland. Kirkland votes 'no'. Klemm. Klemm votes 'no'. Koehler. Koehler votes 'no'. Krska. Krska votes 'aye'. Kubik. Kubik votes 'no'. Kulas. Kulas votes 'aye'. Laurino. Laurino votes 'aye'. LeFlore. LeFlore votes 'aye'. Leverenz. Leverenz votes 'aye'. Levin. Levin votes 'aye'. Matijevich. Matijevich votes 'aye'. Mautino. Mautino votes 'aye'. Mays. Mays votes 'no'. McAuliffe. McAuliffe votes... McAuliffe votes 'no'. McCracken. McCracken votes 'no'. McGann. McGann votes 'aye'. McMaster. McMaster votes 'no'. McNamara. McNamara votes 'aye'. McPike. McPike votes 'aye'. Mulcahey. Mulcahey votes 'aye'. Nash. Nash votes 'aye'. O'Connell. O'Connell votes 'aye'. Olson. Olson votes 'no'. Panayotovich. Panayotovich votes 'aye'. Pangle. Pangle votes 'aye'. Parcells. Parcells votes 'no'. Parke. Parke votes 'no'. B. Pedersen. B. Pedersen votes 'no'. W. Peterson. W. Peterson votes 'no'. Phelps. Phelps votes 'aye'. Piel. Piel votes 'no'. Preston. Preston votes 'aye'. Pullen. Pullen votes 'no'. Rea. Rea votes 'aye'. Regan. Regan votes... Regan votes 'no'. Rice. Rice votes 'aye'. Richmond. Richmond votes 'aye'. Ronan. Ronan votes 'aye'. Ropp. Ropp votes 'no'. Ryder. Ryder 20  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 99th Legislative Day January 8, 1986 votes... Ryder votes 'no'. Saltsman. Saltsman votes 'aye'. Satterthwaite. Satterthwaite votes 'aye'. Shaw. Shaw votes 'aye'. Slater. Slater votes 'no'. Soliz. Soliz votes... Soliz. Soliz 'pass'. Stange. Stange votes 'no'. Steczo. Steczo votes 'aye'. Stephens. Stephens votes 'no'. Stern. Stern votes 'aye'. Sutker. Sutker votes 'aye'. Tate. Tate votes 'no'. Terzich. Terzich votes 'aye'. Tuerk. Tuerk votes... Tuerk. Tuerk votes 'no'. Turner. Turner votes 'aye'. Van Duyne. Van Duyne votes 'aye'. Vinson. Vinson. Vinson votes 'no'. Vitek. Daley. Daley votes 'aye'. Wait. Wait votes 'no'. Washington. Washington votes 'aye'. Weaver. Weaver votes 'no'. White. White 'pass'. Williamson. Williamson votes 'no'. Wojcik. Wojcik votes 'no'. Wolf. Wolf votes 'aye'. Woodyard. Woodyard votes 'no'. Anthony Young. Anthony Young votes 'aye'. Wyvetter Younge. Wyvetter Younge votes 'aye'. Zwick. Zwick. Zwick votes 'no'. Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker votes 'aye'. The Absentees are Braun. Braun 'pass'. Bullock. Bullock 'pass'. And Soliz 'pass'. White 'pass'."

"On this question, there are 63 voting 'aye', 49 voting 'no', and the Motion fails. On the House... On the House Calendar, Conference... Supplemental Calendar #1, Order of Motions appears... Yes, Mr. Vinson. For what purpose do you seek recognition?"

"Inquiry of the Chair, Mr. Speaker. I don't believe that anything entitled Supplemental Calendar #1 has been distributed."

"Yes, it has been."

"Where..."

"Yes, it has been."

"Where is it?"

"It should be on your desk." 21  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 88th Legislative Day January 8, 1986

"It's not on any Republican Member's desk, I don't believe, Mr. Speaker. I mean, there is a Calendar here with a nice little seal of the State of Illinois that says 'House Calendar, 84th General Assembly, State of Illinois, Wednesday, January 8, 1986, Conference Committee Reports,' but no place does it say 'Calendar' or 'Supplemental Calendar #1'."

"At the time of the distribution of this, it was, in fact, designated, announced in accordance with the rules and the designation was made by the Clerk, and it is within the rules. Now, on the next one, the Clerk, of course, will designate that as Conference Committee... as Calendar #2. And now, on that Calendar appears House Resolution 910, a Motion by Mr. Cullerton. Mr. Clerk, read the Motion."

"Motion. 'Pursuant to Rule 43(a), I move to bypass Committee and place House Resolution 910 on the Speaker's table for immediate consideration. The Resolution has been reproduced and distributed on the Members' desks. Representative John Cullerton.'"

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Cullerton, on the Motion."

"Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. The Resolution deals with setting up a special horse racing investigative Committee. Allegations have been raised by a TV station in Chicago concerning the illegal use of drugs by trainers and jockeys, that is, in injecting illegal drugs into horses and illegal use of drugs by jockeys, and also certain improprieties in the performance of parimutuel ticket sellers. And it's the intention of this Motion to put ourselves in a position where we can prove this Resolution, set up a Committee composed of seven Members and hold three investigative 22  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 98th Legislative Day January 8, 1986 hearings..."

"Well, that's on... That's the Motion itself. That's the substance of the Resolution, Mr. Cullerton. Just on the Motion itself."

"Right. So, I would move for the adoption of the Motion. I believe it's agreed on both sides of the aisle."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Cullerton, moves that the House suspend Rule 43(a) with respect to House Resolution 910. Do we have leave to use the Attendance Roll Call? Leave is hereby granted. Now, Mr. Cullerton, House Resolution 910. Proceed."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. The Resolution establishes a special horse racing investigative Committee to investigate allegations concerning illegal use of drugs by jockeys as well as illegal use of drugs in horses... horses that race in the State of Illinois, and also to investigate allegations of improprieties in the performance of parimutuel ticket sellers. I would be happy to answer any questions, and I would move for the adoption of the House Resolution."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Cullerton, moves for the adoption of House Resolution 910. Is there any discussion? There being none, do we have leave to use the Attendance Roll Call? Leave is granted, and House Resolution 910 is hereby adopted by use of the Attendance Roll Call. On Supplemental Calendar appears Conference Committee Reports, Senate Bill 1037. And on that, the Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Keane."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Second Conference Committee Report on Senate Bill 1037 cleans up a problem that occurred when we passed the farmland Bill during the Override Session. If you look at the Conference Committee Report, basically what it does is, it replaces or returns 23  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 88th Legislative Day January 8, 1986 the rate for nonpayment of real estate taxes to one and a half percent a month, except for farmland, which would stay at the one. The second paragraph... or the second Section of it is on page three, and what we inadvertently did was strike parts of the Bill existing law that dealt with Cook County and regarding the accelerated method of billing and paying taxes, and this just puts that back the way it was. And the third part is on page five, which would allow the Governor to use either the Farm Payment Credit Adjustment Fund or the Farm Emergency Assistance Fund. So the Governor wanted to have that authority, that option, and we gave him that. I'd be happy to answer any questions and ask for a favorable Roll Call."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Keane, moves for the adoption of the Second Conference Committee Report on Senate Bill 1037. And on that, the Gentleman from DeWitt, Mr. Vinson."

"Mr. Speaker, will the Sponsor yield for a question?"

"Indicates he'll yield for a question."

"Representative, is there a provision in this Conference Committee Report that raises the tax, the penalty that local governments would charge on delinquent property taxes... that increases it?"

"It had been one and a half percent on all property... delinquent property taxes. When we changed it, we put it back to one, and I think the intent that we had was to make farmland assessment one. What we are doing with this is returning it to the one and a half, which is an 18 percent annual rate. What we found is, years ago, when we left the... when we left the delinquent property tax level at 12 percent, people weren't paying their local real estate taxes because it was cheaper than borrowing money at the bank. We kicked it up to 18 percent to encourage them so 24  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 88th Legislative Day January 8, 1986 that they didn't have to go out and bond or borrow money. And this... this leaves the farmland assess... property at one percent, but kicks the rest up to one and a half."

"At the time when we raised it to 18 percent for everybody initially..."

"Right."

"Interest rates were at a very high level."

"That's correct."

"Interest rates have subsequently declined."

"Well, what we're... I don't think that impact is that close. Credit card money, for instance now, you're paying 20 percent on. If you go in for a personal loan, you know, unsecured personal loan, you're talking about maybe 16 percent. So, I think if we don't kick it back up, we will have... still have a lot of people who are not paying their taxes."

"Why is it that we should have a policy in this state where a delinquent... a farmer delinquent in his property taxes pays a 12 percent interest rate, and the poor, perhaps unemployed, blue collar worker or... residential... who owns a residence, single family property, who's delinquent in his taxes because he's been unemployed because of the problems at Caterpillar or the problems at John Deere or the problems at International Harvester, why should he have to pay a higher rate than a poor farmer?"

"The... That determination I think you've got... What you say has a great deal of correctibility and a great deal of rationale, but that decision was made last Session when we reduced... or in the override when we reduced it. Now, how you and I voted on that at that time is another question, but I think..."

"But we reduced it for everybody in the... in the Veto 25  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 88th Legislative Day January 8, 1986 Session. Right?"

"By mistake. By mistake."

"And now, we're proposing to raise it on unemployed blue collar workers who are delinquent in their residential property taxes, but not on farmers."

"Well, we're... No, we're looking at a total class. We're looking at both residential, manufacturing, commercial and department... multiple units. Most of... For instance, if you look at the nonresidential taxes in Cook County that's in excess of 50 percent comes out of that, so, those are not your blue collar workers. So... And also, if we don't change it, there's going to be a massive impact on local government, and local government is going to have to go out, borrow money, pay big money to borrow it, and turn around and kick up their rates on the guy who was just laid off at Caterpillar."

"When the City of Chicago borrows money, what interest rate does it pay on the money it borrows?"

"It depends on how they borrow it. If it's bonded..."

"But... But more or less."

"If it's bonded, I guess bonds are going out at... depending on the take, somewhere around nine percent."

"Okay."

"If they go... If they go on a tax anticipative warrant, it could be a little more."

"And you're proposing that while the city can borrow money at nine percent, that on delinquent unemployed blue collar workers who are delinquent on their property taxes for their residence, that you charge them 18 percent."

"The interest rate is nine percent or over but the cost of floating those bonds, as you know, is substantially higher. The cost of taking... going out to bonds or to bonding, especially with the shortfall that this would allow are 26  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 88th Legislative Day January 8, 1996 substantial, and it would cost local government substantially more than nine percent. You also have school districts which this would impact more than anyone else, more than any other unit of local government, and small villages and towns in... throughout the State of Illinois that would be in serious trouble and cannot go out and borrow at nine percent. They would have to go out... If they... Some of them can't... don't have enough to put a bond issue together and would have to go out and really get ripped off."

"Well, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Assembly, to the Bill. And I want to emphasize the fact that my comments on this Bill are my comments. I don't believe there is any Republican or administration or partisan position reflected in my comments on this Bill. I'm speaking for myself and myself alone. I think that this is an atrocious Bill. I personally could not bring myself to support this kind of a Bill. I think that there is some validity in the concept that we ought to have reduced the delinquency rate in order to deal with the mortgage foreclosure problem in the state, which does have a particular impact on farmers right now. But to then say that we're going to raise it back up to 18 percent on the unemployed Caterpillar worker with a residence that he may be delinquent in, that he's going to pay an 18 percent delinquency rate, and the farmer down the road is only going to pay a 12 percent delinquency rate, that, to me, is an atrocious social policy. In the first place, it's probably unconstitutional because revenue laws are supposed to be uniform in this state - property tax laws are. But, beyond that, it is a wrongful discrimination on the basis of social class and occupation, and I don't think we ought to do that to unemployed members of labor unions, to 27  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 88th Legislative Day January 8, 1986 unemployed blue collar workers, to unemployed workers at manufacturing plants through the state. I don't think that we should say that we're going to raise the interest rate that they have to pay on delinquent taxes when they're in a situation where they can't get any income because they don't have a job. I think that's wrong. Secondly, it seems to me that it's wrong to say, where many local governments are, in fact, borrowing money in the bond market at six, seven, eight, nine percent interest rate, that in order to be compensated by the delinquent property taxpayer, they have to be compensated at an 18 percent rate. I think that's wrong. They break even if the rate's at nine percent. They're still making money at a 12 percent rate, which I believe is where the law is now. They certainly don't need an 18 percent rate. And the only reason we went to the 18 percent rate, if you'll recall, was because the economy of this country got so bad with high interest rates that it did, in fact, become a positive reason for a person... a rational consumer could say, 'I can borrow the money more cheaply than I can pay my property taxes.' So, it was necessary at that time to raise the interest rate on delinquencies. I don't think that that situation continues to apply, and I don't think that we should make money on delinquencies. I think all that's going to do is throw more people into delinquencies. I think it's going to lead to more vacant property, and I think it's going to lead to the kind of environment in our central cities that is ripe for revolution. I think this is the worst concept possible, primarily because it discriminates against the unemployed factory worker, and I personally - personally, I say, would urge a 'no' vote on the Bill."

"The Gentleman from Kendall, Mr. Hastert." 28  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 88th Legislative Day January 8, 1986

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I appreciate the comments of the speaker previous, and I think there's a few things that we should look at in this piece of legislation and understand just exactly where it comes from. First of all, this piece of legislation, the farm aid Bill, and what we're doing is making technical changes to those things that were included in the farm aid Bill that were passed during the Veto Session. As you remember, we deferred the discussion of farm aid to the Veto Session and then in the prolonged Veto Session, this was the piece of legislation that came out of it. During the process of writing this legislation - it, incidentally, did not go through the Revenue Committee. That was done someplace else. When this Bill came before us, it had two technical problems that were not found out. One, was it deleted a provision that always had been in existence in Cook County to the dates that they collect their property tax. They collect their property tax, I believe, in June and... I'm sorry, in March and August, where the other 101 counties collect their property taxes in June and September. That was struck from the Bill, and it changed really the way they did business or it would seriously impact on local governments in Cook County. The second thing that happened was a provision in the farm aid Bill with the intent of moving the percentage of penalty on late payments for property taxes for farmers from 1.5 to one percent. Several years ago, it was policy of this General Assembly to take a certain classes of property and late penalty payments were set by statute at 1.5. It was the intent of the General Assembly in the farm aid Bill to move that from 1.5 to one. And to address one of the issues that Represen... the former Representative brought up, we already distinguish - and if you want to talk... say 29  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 88th Legislative Day January 8, 1986 prejudice - we do prejudice in different types of taxation. We tax farmland different than we tax farmland across the state. Farm... Farmers already have a very different type of taxation process than a small businessman does, or a manufacturer does, or the blue collar worker that Representative Vinson just talked about. If we want to change that policy, then we ought to change that policy through the Committee process. And I'm sure the Chairman of that Committee, the Spokesman of the Committee and myself would certainly listen to some proposals to move statewide those numbers back from 1.5 to one percent, if that was the policy that this General Assembly wanted to do. I'm sure that the Revenue Committee would also listen to a proposal by Representative Vinson that changed the way that we assess farmers, if he thinks that's unfair, back to the way that we assess everybody else in the State of Illinois. But that's not the issue with this piece of legislation. The issue is to change some technical errors that were... that happened in the farm aid Bill and try to correct those errors that certainly were not the intent of the Legislature. There's one other thing in this Bill, and everybody should know that it's in there, and it's an appropriation. We did not talk about this previously, but there's a 3.5 million dollar transfer from General Revenue to the Ag Premium Fund, and you all know where Ag Premium funds go. This transfer is necessary because of the shortfall of revenue that we have in the Ag Premium Fund, maybe from the Arlington Park race park fire - nobody can really track that... that revenue. But there is a shortfall, and there is also an appropriation in here for 3.5 million dollars. I am a signer of that piece of... of that Conference Committee Report. I want to say again, it corrects technical errors that were made in the farm aid 30  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 88th Legislative Day January 8, 1986 package. If we want to change policy, then we ought to change that policy in due course. Thank you, Mr. Speaker."

"The Lady from Cook, Ms. Alexander."

"Mr. Speaker, the prior speaker answered my question concerning the transfer of the 3.5 million dollars I was making an inquiry of. Thank you."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Huff."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I think the Sponsor's attempt to this Bill is laudable, but, unfortunately, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I think it's tantamount to the rearrangement of the deck chairs on the Titanic. And, for that reason, it should be defeated. Thank you."

"The Lady from... The Lady from St. Clair, Ms. Younge."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to say that some of us voted for this farm Bill and for this particular provision in this Bill because it was an equitable matter of giving city dwellers the same one percent per month rate on the delinquent taxes as farmers. I don't think it is fair to have one rate for farmers and another rate for city people. Further, I think that what we have done in making that rate 18 percent a year is to put a lot of very small homeowners in a position of losing their properties because they cannot pay an extraordinary, unbearable delinquent tax rate. Illinois has one of the highest foreclosure rates in America. People are losing their property at a higher rate because of the nonpayment of delinquent taxes than anyplace else in America. And I think that if the issue is the amount of tax that is lost by a county government, what we ought to do is to encourage county governments to move from the financing of county governments based on real estate taxes to based on sales taxes. And you will remember about 31  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 88th Legislative Day January 8, 1996 four years ago I introduced a plan that would do just that, would accelerate and help counties to do that. The important thing is that with the great straits that people find themselves in, in losing jobs, in having limited incomes, having fixed incomes, and having accelerated utility taxes and high food bills, many of our people are really strapped and one factor is this high rate of delinquent tax for real estate interest. And I implore you not to make this change and to leave this Bill as it originally was because that is what is best for the people of the State of Illinois."

"There being no further discussion, the Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Keane, to close."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Let me just lay... lay to rest some of the objections that have been voiced here. One thing that I did omit and I'd like to mention now is part of the Bill that I didn't... I did not make in my introductory comments is is that there's also a provision that transfers three and a half million dollars from the General Revenue Fund to the Ag Premium Fund that make up for the shortfall caused by the Arlington Park race track fire. For those of... What basically happened was that when we passed the Bill reducing... what we thought, reducing the farm penalty, the farmland penalty for nonpayment of taxes to one percent, we did it statewide. This applies statewide. What's going to happen, whether you're from Chicago, or Cook County, or Peoria or anyplace in the state is is that if people don't pay their taxes and they feel that it's cheaper for them not to pay their taxes because they only are paying 12 percent on that money, the units of local government are going to have to go out and borrow. It was indicated that some people can go out and borrow at five and six and seven percent - units of local 32  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 88th Legislative Day January 8, 1986 government. That is totally false. If they were, they'd go out and they'd borrow and get into the banking business. What's happening, especially with units of small government, especially with school districts, which will be impacted by this Bill, is that they will have to go through the problem of either borrowing money or putting together a very expensive proposition, putting together a bond issue and going out to bond. Ninety-eight... Ninety-six percent of the people, by one survey in the metropolitan areas, pay their taxes on time. When we passed the tax amnesty Bill, we thought we would catch a lot of small taxpayers, and we would catch... catch them up in the net of tax amnesty and that they would be... there would be a lot of small taxpayers involved. The great bulk, the great bulk of the taxes on the tax amnesty came from very, very large concerns who had been advised by their attorneys not to pay the taxes because you could make money by not paying the taxes. You would have use of the money. You would always have hopes of settling a deal, cutting a deal two or three years after the taxes were due and saving money. We'll find the same thing would have happened here. Large corporations will not pay their taxes. Large landholders will not pay their taxes. They will have use of the money at 12 percent, and you'll find that the local units of government are going to be in real tough shape. My final comment is is that based on the Bill... based on the law, the farmland reduction to one percent will sunset January 1, 1989 and everything will be back up to 18 percent. I'd ask for a favorable Roll Call."

"Speaker Madigan, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"

"Mr. Speak... Mr. Speaker, I rise in support of the Motion to adopt the Conference Committee Report. This 33  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 98th Legislative Day January 8, 1986 Conference Committee Report attempts to rectify a mistake that was made during the Veto Session during the consideration of the farm aid legislation. Clearly, it was never the intent of the farm aid legislation to lower these interest penalties on non-farmland. If you search the record, you will not find any trace of evidence to indicate an intent to bring down the interest penalties for nonpayment of real estate taxes on non-farmland. And that's what a Section of this Conference Committee Report does. It should be understood that in terms of nonpayment of taxes, that in Cook County, just as a sample, 96 percent of single family residences pay their real estate taxes on time. It's only four percent of single family residences that do not pay the tax on time. Where there are delinquencies, they occur in the case of commercial and industrial property - large properties, large real estate taxpayers. And, as Representative Keane explained, in certain instances, it may be to the financial betterment of those commercial and industrial properties not to pay the taxes on time, which always had been the intent of the interest penalty for nonpayment of taxes. So, for those of you who may be concerned about certain of the provisions of the Conference Committee Report, I would simply say to you you ought not to be concerned. It never was our intent that this apply to anything other than farmland and, in reality, it's the large commercial and industrial properties that are those who are delinquent in payment of their real estate taxes. Thank you, Mr. Speaker."

"Alright. It is... It is the intention of the Chair to take an Oral Verified Roll Call. You will be, number one, ensuring an accuracy of the vote and the integrity of your vote, as well as helping in determining the difficulty in the board. When your name is called, 34  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 88th Legislative Day January 8, 1986 give your vote and push your button accordingly. I will, if you wish, recognize you to explain your vote at that time. Question is, 'Shall the House adopt the Second Conference Report to Senate Bill 1037?' Mr. Clerk, proceed with the Verified Oral Roll Call."

"Alexander. Alexander, pass. Barger. Barger, pass. Barger 'no'. Barnes. Barnes 'aye'. Berrios. Berrios 'aye'. Bowman. Bowman 'aye'. Braun is excused. Breslin. Breslin 'no'. Brookins. Brookins, pass. Brunsvold. Brunsvold 'no'. Bullock. Bullock."

"Mr. Bullock, to explain your vote. One minute."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I was inadvertently off the floor and did not get a chance to speak in debate. In explanation of my vote, and it will be an 'aye' vote, I'd like to make a couple of observations. First and foremost, I think what we're doing in a responsible 'aye' vote on a green vote is, as the Conference Committee requests, we are restoring the statute to its original form. But in coming into the chamber, I heard several speakers discussing the revenue side and the revenue impact of our vote. But I think many of my colleagues from the City, especially those colleagues that come from the south side and west side and many other communities of our area that depend upon the services that these revenues provide and are collected by the county treasurer and county assessor, that we should keep in mind that the revenue loss of this Bill will directly affect the quality of services that we get in Cook County. And if you are prepared to identify those services that we are going to cut and recommend those to the Council and to the County Board, then perhaps you can vote 'present' or you can vote 'no'. But until you can identify the services that you 35  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 88th Legislative Day January 8, 1986 believe should be cut, I think the responsible vote is to vote for the revenue that's needed and restore the statute to its original, safe form so we do not have to go back to our districts and find that services that we depend upon in the County and in the City will be severely decimated and cut. And for that reason, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Assembly, I urge an 'aye' vote. It's a responsible vote."

"Bullock votes 'aye'. Capparelli. Capparelli votes 'aye'."

"Push your button, Mr. Bullock. Mr. Bullock, push your button. Thank you."

"Christensen. Christen..."

"Excuse me. Mr. Bullock, have you... Okay."

"Christensen votes 'aye'. Churchill. Churchill votes 'aye'. Countryman. Countryman votes 'no'. Cowlishaw. Cowlishaw votes 'no'. Cullerton. Cullerton votes 'aye'. Curran. Curran votes 'no'. Currie. Currie votes 'aye'. Daley. Daley votes 'aye'. Daniels. Daniels votes 'aye'. Davis is excused. DeJaegher. DeJaegher votes 'aye'. DeLeo. DeLeo votes 'aye'. Deuchler. Deuchler votes 'aye'. Didrickson. Didrickson votes 'aye'. Dunn. Dunn votes 'aye'. Ewing."

"Excuse me. Ms. Didrickson, would you push your switch? Vote your switch. Okay."

"Ewing. Ewing, pass. Farley. Farley votes 'aye'. Flinn. Monroe Flinn. Flinn, pass. Flowers. Flowers votes 'aye'. Virginia Frederick. Virginia Frederick votes 'aye'. Dwight Friedrich."

"Mr. Friedrich, one minute to explain your vote."

"Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, I think we... some of us find ourselves in the same position we do many 36  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 98th Legislative Day January 8, 1986 times with Conference Committee Reports. Some of it's good, and some of it's bad, and you either have to vote 'yes' or 'no', and it's a Second Conference Committee Report. I think we have to have this Conference Committee Report, because there probably isn't time to do the things that need to be done without it. I don't like this one and a half percent, because I'll tell you what - it's going to cause more tax sales. And some of the people who unfortunately, in Illinois, the way the real estate tax system is devised, it comes in chunks, and most people get their money by the week or every two weeks and paying a big chunk twice a year is not an easy thing. So, as a result, they become delinquent. So, I really think this is doing a disservice to the people who are trying to own their own home. And we know from the fact that home ownership is one of the best things that can happen in this country. If everybody owned their own home and paid real estate taxes, we'd be better off. This discourages that, and it causes people to go into public housing and other things. I'm going to vote 'aye' only because I think the other things in this Conference Committee Report are needed."

"Dwight Friedrich votes 'aye'. Giglio. Giglio votes 'aye'. Giorgi. Giorgi votes 'aye'. Goforth. Goforth votes 'aye'. Greiman. Greiman votes 'aye'. Hallock."

"Apparently, I've been given two votes. Not a bad idea. Go head, Mr. Clerk."

"Hallock. Hallock votes 'aye'. Hannig. Hannig votes 'no'. Harris. Harris, pass. Hartke. Hartke votes 'no'. Hastert. Hastert votes 'aye'. Hawkinson. Hawkinson votes 'no'. Hensel. Hensel votes 'aye'. Hicks. Hicks, pass. Hoffman. Hoffman votes 'aye'. Homer. Homer votes 'no'. Huff. Huff votes 'present'. Johnson. 37  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 88th Legislative Day January 8, 1986 Johnson votes 'aye'. Keane. Keane votes 'aye'. Kirkland. Kirkland votes 'aye'. Klemm. Klemm votes 'aye'. Koehler. Koehler 'no', votes 'no'. Krska. Krska votes 'aye'. Kubik. Kubik votes 'aye'. Kulas. Kulas votes 'aye'. Laurino. Laurino votes 'aye'. LeFlore. LeFlore. LeFlore votes 'aye'. Leverenz. Leverenz, pass. Levin. Levin votes 'aye'. Matijevich. Matijevich votes 'aye'. Mautino. Mautino votes 'aye'. Mays. Mays votes 'aye'. McAuliffe. McAuliffe votes 'aye'. McCracken. McCracken."

"Mr. McCracken, one minute to explain your vote."

"Inquiry of the Chair, Mr. Speaker. Is our good friend, Cook County Treasurer, Mr. Rosewell, still here? There he is. I vote 'aye'."

"You want to give him your permanent index number? Go ahead, Mr. Clerk."

"McCracken votes 'aye'. McGann. McGann votes 'aye'. McMaster. McMaster votes 'aye'. McNamara. McNamara, pass. McPike. McPike votes 'aye'. Mulcahey. Mulcahey votes 'aye'. Nash. Nash votes 'aye'. O'Connell. O'Connell votes 'aye'. Olson. Olson votes 'aye'. Panayotovich. Panayotovich votes 'aye'. Pangle. Pangle votes 'aye'. Parcells. Parcells votes 'aye'. Parke. Parke votes 'aye'. B. Pedersen. B. Pedersen votes 'aye'. W. Peterson. W. Peterson votes 'aye'. Phelps. Phelps votes 'no'. Piel. Piel votes 'aye'. Preston. Preston votes 'aye'. Pullen. Pullen votes 'no'. Rea. Rea votes 'no'. Regan. Regan votes 'aye'. Rice. Rice votes 'aye'. Richmond. Richmond votes 'aye'. Ronan. Ronan votes 'aye'. Ropp. Ropp votes 'aye'. Ryder. Ryder votes 'aye'. Saltsman. Saltsman votes 'no'. Satterthwaite. Satterthwaite votes 'no'. Shaw. Shaw votes 'aye'. Slater. Slater votes 'aye'. Soliz. Soliz, pass. 38  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 88th Legislative Day January 8, 1996 Stange. Stange votes 'aye'. Steczo. Steczo votes 'aye'. Stephens. Stephens votes 'aye'. Stern. Stern votes 'no'. Sutker. Sutker votes 'aye'. Tate. Tate, pass. Terzich. Terzich votes 'aye'. Tuerk. Tuerk votes 'aye'. Turner. Turner votes 'aye'. Van Duyne. Van Duyne votes 'no'. Vinson. Vinson votes 'no'. Wait. Wait votes 'aye'. Washington. Washington votes 'aye'. Weaver. Weaver votes 'aye'. White. White, pass. Williamson. Williamson votes 'aye'. Wojcik. Wojcik votes 'aye'. Wolf. Wolf votes 'aye'. Woodyard. Woodyard votes 'aye'. Anthony Young. Anthony Young votes 'aye'. Wyvetter Younge. Wyvetter Younge votes 'no'. Zwick. Zwick votes 'no'. Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker votes 'aye'."

"Mr. Leverenz. Mr. Leverenz votes 'aye'. Mr. Brookins."

"From 'present' to 'aye'."

"Mr. Brookins votes 'aye'. Mr.... Ms. Alexander votes 'aye'. Push your button, Ethel. Mr. McNamara. Mr. McNamara votes 'no'. Mr. Leverenz, would you hit your switch? Mr. Tate. Mr. Tate, you've already voted 'aye'. Mr. Ewing. Okay. Your vote is recorded as 'aye'. Apparently you had pushed it, yes. Mr. Ewing, votes 'aye'. Mr. Harris. Mr. Harris votes 'no'. Mr. Flinn. Mr. Hicks."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, would you record me please as voting 'aye'?"

"Record Mr. Hicks as 'aye'. Mr. Flinn."

"'Aye', Mr. Speaker."

"Record Mr. Flinn as 'aye'. Alright, now, just so you are brought to the technological level, when I voted my switch here on the podium, it recorded my vote and Ms. Oblinger's. I've removed my vote now and Ms. Oblinger's vote was removed. The Clerk is now going to cast my vote 39  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 88th Legislative Day January 8, 1986 on his console. See what happens. I vote 'aye'. Like what happens usually when I vote. Nothing happened. Alright. These are... the numbers are apparently 88, 23 and 1. I am going to vote 'aye', which the Clerk can record manually. Accordingly, on this question there are 89 voting 'aye', 23 voting 'no', none... 1 voting 'present', and the House does adopt Conference Committee Report #2 to Senate Bill 1037. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Alright. We're going to take a practice Roll Call now. Mr. Clerk, you want to open the Roll. Ms. Currie, would you push my button? Okay, thank you for your help. Alright, it appears that I can be voted from my seat. Okay. On Supplemental Calendar appears Senate Bill 1064., Out of the record. Supplemental Calendar appears Senate Bill 1345, Second Conference Report. The Gentleman from Sangamon, Mr. Curran."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. The Second Conference Committee Report on Senate Bill 1345 is a technical change. It amends the Public Community College Act, and it's requested by the Illinois Community College Board. It corrects technical errors in the revised formula for distribution of equalization grants. It also makes required technical changes in the language concerning the repair and renovation grants from the Build Illinois Bond Fund for the Build Illinois Purposes Fund. I'll be glad to answer any questions, and I ask for an 'aye' vote."

"Gentleman from Sangamon moves that the House adopt the Second Conference Committee Report on Senate Bill 1345. And on that, the Lady from Cook, Ms. Pullen."

"Mr. Speaker, I don't know whether my question is more properly addressed to you or to the Gentleman. It's my 40  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 88th Legislative Day January 8, 1986 understanding that this is the Second Conference Committee Report and, yet, the Conference Committee Report on our desks is not so labeled. So, can... should we do a clarification on the LRB number, or how should we handle this?"

"Ms. Pullen, we are just checking all the records to make sure that it's going to be accurate, and I will be back to you. Do you have another... to the Bill, or no?"

"You'll get back to me before we take a vote."

"Oh, in a moment, yes."

"Thank you."

"Mr. Hoffman, Gentleman from DuPage."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. After we clarify the issue in regard to the fact that this is the Second Conference Committee Report and everything has been deleted after the enactment clause, with the changes as indicated by the Representative from Sangamon. I am one of the Members of the Conference Committee. I've looked at this. It does exactly as he says it does, and I would ask for your support of the Conference Committee Report after we clarify the fact that it is the Second Conference Committee Report."

"Ms. Didrickson, Lady from Cook."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, will the Sponsor yield?"

"Indicates that he will."

"Yes, Representative, I either have an outdated staff analysis, or it's correct and I'd like a clarification with regards to proprietary student assistance programs. Is that in here, in the Second Conference Committee Report? Thank you."

"The Gentleman from DeWitt, Mr. Vinson."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, will the Sponsor yield for a 41  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 88th Legislative Day January 8, 1986 question?"

"Indicates he will."

"Representative, it's my reading of the Conference Committee Report that the underlying Bill that was originally introduced, 1345, is included in what we're voting on now. Is that correct?"

"Would you repeat your question again, Sam?"

"My reading of the Conference Committee Report would be that the original substance of 1345 is included in what we're voting on now. So, we are voting on the pupil discipline parent/teacher business."

"No, Representative, that is not the case. It is my understanding that that language is stricken."

"Okay. So, the only thing we're dealing with then is the community college issue."

"That's correct."

"Thank you."

"With respect to Ms. Pullen's observation, the Second Conference Committee Report was filed, and it was labeled here in the well as Second Conference Committee Report. But so there can be no confusion about that, I will advise you that the LRB number is LRB8408170TH, so that that is the... that Report was filed as the Second Conference Committee Report and so indicated as filed, so that there will be no confusion. Okay. Further discussion? There being none, the Gentleman from Sangamon, Mr. Curran, to close."

"I simply ask for an 'aye' vote for these technical corrections and changes. Thank you."

"Question is, 'Shall the House adopt the Second Conference Committee Report to Senate Bill 1345?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is now open, and this is final action. Have 42  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 88th Legislative Day January 8, 1986 all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, vote Mr. Barger 'aye', would you? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question there are 113 voting 'aye', none voting 'no' and none voting 'present', and the House does adopt the Second Conference Committee Report to Senate Bill 1345. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On the Order... On page two of the Calendar, on the Order of Consideration Postponed, appears Senate Bill 1249, 1249. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 1249, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections and the title of an Act to authorize counties to issue bonds for the construction, reconstruction and modeling (sic - remodeling) of courthouses. Third Reading of the Bill."

"The Gentleman from DuPage, Mr. Hoffman."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I would ask leave of the House to take this Bill off of Postponed Consideration and return it to Third Reading."

"The Gentleman asks leave of the House to return the Bill to the Order of Second Reading for the purposes of an Amendment. Gentleman have leave? He has leave, and the House..."

"No. No, Third. Third Reading."

"No, it's automatically on Third Reading when we call the Bill. It's automat... I'm sorry. I thought you wanted to take it to Second."

"Alright."

"It's automatically on Third."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Senate Bill 1249 was taken out of the record near the end of our Fall Session. It does today exactly 43  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 88th Legislative Day January 8, 1986 what it did then. It deals with the removal... or the moving of the cap for McCormick Place Authority, increases that by 47.5 million dollars to a new cap of 312.5 million dollars. The cap of 205 million which was established last year which limited the amount of bonds proceeds which may be utilized by the Authority for construction purpose was increased by 54 million. However, that construction spending on the last nine million authorized required prior approval by the Bureau of the Budget. Adds cleanup language to various tax structures providing for the 1.55 percent transfer of the sales tax money. Amends those portions of the State Finance Act relating to McCormick Place. Increases the bond authorization level to 155.5 million dollars above current levels. Authorizes the CDB to offer grants to unit of local governments for public library facilities and authorizes the Illinois Developmental Finance Authority, in cooperation with the Illinois Arts Council, to develop a program for financing productions of movies in Illinois. Limits that support to 35 percent of production costs of any one... any one film. Financial support for movies requires approval by the Illinois Arts Council and the Illinois Development Finance Authority. Includes the production of motion pictures in the definitions of industrial projects and industrial projects costs. I'd be glad to respond to any questions in regards to the legislation, and I move for the adoption of Senate Bill 1249."

"Gentleman from DuPage, Mr. Hoffman, have moved for the passage of Senate Bill 1249. And on that, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is now open, and this is final action. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who 44  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 88th Legislative Day January 8, 1986 wish? The Gentleman from DuPage, Mr. McCracken, one minute to explain your vote."

"We need a courthouse. Let's vote."

"The Gentleman from DuPage, Mr. Hoffman, one minute to explain your vote."

"Perhaps I didn't spend enough time explaining the contents of this Bill. Now, the truth of the matter is, Ladies and Gentlemen, if this legislation isn't passed, there are a number of projects that are ready to go, important projects to this state, important projects to some individual districts which some of us represent, will not be able to go forward unless this legislation is adopted. Now, the reason it was put on Postponed Consideration last time was a matter which hadn't an awful lot to do with the substance of the Bill, but had to do with individual reactions to a particular Amendment that was placed on the legislation. Had it not been for that, Ladies and Gentlemen, I am sure that this would not have been an issue before us today. I would clarify the fact that there... the explanation that I gave of the Bill does not include a courthouse for DuPage County. It does exactly as I said. It deals with the Metropolitan Fair and Exposition Authority, deals with some of the cleanup language for the Build Illinois Fund on the transfer of sales tax money, deals with that portion of the State Finance Act relating to McCormick Place, authorized CDB to offer grants for libraries and provides that the Illinois Development Finance Authority, in cooperation with the Illinois Arts Council, can help up to 35 percent in the support of production costs of any one movie. That's it."

"Yes, Mr. O'Connell, one minute to explain your vote."

"Mr. Speaker, in explaining my 'no' vote, I'd like to 45  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 88th Legislative Day January 8, 1986 refer back to the original Bill that appeared in the Fall Veto Session. I was presented with Amendment #11, which dealt with the bonding procedures for the... attracting the movie industry. I was not aware at the time that the Amendment would be placed on the Bill dealing with the substance of Senate Bill 1249. After I had sponsored the Amendment, there was... and voted for the... negatively for the substantive Bill, there was a lot of negative reaction on the other side of the aisle. I support my right to support Amendment, even though I may not support the substance of a Bill. I simply want to alert the Members on that side of the aisle, as well as this side of the aisle, that I have removed myself as Sponsor of that Amendment and Representative Cullerton is now a Sponsor of that Amendment."

"Mr. Vinson, one minute to explain your vote."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, when is Mr. Cullerton going to vote for the Bill? Mr. Speaker, I am advised by a previous speaker who has asked me to make this statement for the record that there is no DuPage County courthouse provision in this Bill."

"Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. Mr. Hoffman asks for a Poll of the Absentees."

"Poll of the Absentees. Goforth. Klemm. McAuliffe. Soliz. And White. No further."

"Yes, Mr. Hawkinson, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It's my understanding that the tax provisions have been removed from this Bill regarding the counties over 300,000. I wish to change my vote to 'aye'."

"Vote Mr. Hawkinson 'aye'. Mr. Kirkland, the 46  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 88th Legislative Day January 8, 1986 Gentleman from Kane. Mr. Kirkland votes 'aye'. The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Harris. Mr. Harris votes 'aye'. Mr. Barger, the Gentleman from DuPage, votes 'aye'. Mr. Klemm votes 'aye'. Mr. Kubik votes 'aye'. Mr. Hensel. Mr. Stephens. No, Hensel did not vote 'aye'. Mr. Stephens votes 'aye'. Mr. Clerk, take the record. Ms. Didrickson, were you seeking recognition? Vote Ms. Didrickson 'aye'. On this question there are 73 voting 'aye', 39 voting 'no', none voting 'present'. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. We will just stand at ease for a moment or two while we're... getting Messages from the Senate. We have some Messages now. Mr... Message from the Senate."

"A Message from the Senate, by Mr. Wright, Secretary. 'Mr. Speaker, I am directed to inform the House of Representatives that the Senate has refused to concur with the House in the adoption of their Amendment to a Bill of the following title, to wit; Senate Bill 994, with House Amendment #4, action taken by the Senate, January 8, 1986. Kenneth Wright, Secretary.'"

"Agreed Resolutions."

"House Resolution 929, Giorgi - et al; 930, Mautino; 931, Currie - et al; 932, Barger; 933, Churchill; 935, Laurino; 937, Ryder; 938, Ryder; 934, Currie - et al; 941, McCracken; 942, Harris; 943, Harris; 944, Madigan; 946, Flinn; 947, Churchill; 948, Ropp; 949, Currie; 950, Currie; 952, Ewing; 953, Koehler - et al. And House Joint Resolution 129, McPike."

"The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Lake, Mr. Matijevich. Mr. Matijevich moves for the adoption of the Agreed Resolutions. Those in favor say 'aye', opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Agreed Resolutions are adopted. Death Resolutions." 47  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 98th Legislative Day January 8, 1986

"House Resolution 945, offered by Representatives Tate and Johnson, with respect to the memory of Mrs. Fern Dawson. And House Resolution 936, offered by Representative Stern, with respect to the memory of John B. Witmer."

"Mr. Matijevich moves for the adoption of the Death Resolutions. Those in favor say 'aye', opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. General Resolutions."

"House Resolution 939, Matijevich; and House Resolution 940, Matijevich."

"Committee on Assignment. Introduction and First Reading."

"House Bill 2597, Wojcik - et al, a Bill for an Act to provide for the licensing and regulation of raffles and casino nights and to amend and repeal certain Acts herein named. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2598, Stern, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Governmental Ethics Act. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2599, Stern, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Vehicle Code. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2600, Terzich - Madigan and Ropp, a Bill for an Act to restrict smoking in public places and providing penalties for violation thereof. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2601, Panayotovich, a Bill for an Act to provide for the life saving organ transplant procedures by requesting the descendent's next of kin to consent. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2602, Flinn, a Bill for an Act making an appropriation to the Department of Public Aid. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2603, Terzich and Capparelli, a Bill for an Act concerning comprehensive health insurance. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2604, Mulcahey, a Bill for an Act to repeal Article II of an Act in relation to educational reform and financing 49  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 88th Legislative Day January 8, 1986 thereof. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2605, Countryman, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Criminal Code. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2606, John Dunn, a Bill for an Act making certain appropriations to the Department of State Police. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2607, Levin and Nash, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Insurance Code. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2608, Anthony Young - Bowman - Shaw - Turner and Flowers, a Bill for an Act authorizing continuing appropriation for payments to certain public aid recipients. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2609, McGann, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Senior Citizens' and Disabled Persons' Property Tax Relief and Pharmaceutical Assistance Act. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2610, Countryman, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Pension Code. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2611, Countryman, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Pension Code. First Reading of the Bill."

"Death Resolutions. Continue on Introductions, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 2612, McNamara, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Mental Health and Developmental Disabilities Code. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2613, Cullerton, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Health Maintenance Organization Act. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2614, Rice and Shaw, a Bill for an Act in relation to the regulation of certain lending practices and amending certain Acts herein named. First Reading of the Bill."

"Introduction and First Reading."

"Reintroducing House Bill 2614, Rice and Shaw, a Bill for an Act to amend Section 4.2 of an Act in relation 49  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 88th Legislative Day January 8, 1986 to the rate of interest and other charges in connection with sales on credit and lending of money. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2615, Capparelli - et al, a Bill for an Act to require oral proficiency in the English language among all classroom instructors of public institutions of higher education. First Reading of the Bill. House Resolution... House Resolution (sic - Bill) 2616... House Bill 2616, Countryman, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Code of Criminal Procedure. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2617, Breslin - Steczo - Richmond - Hicks and Christensen, a Bill for an Act relating to public education. First Reading of the Bill."

"Supplement... Mr. Clerk, for a Supplemental Calendar announcement."

"Supplemental Calendar #2 is being distributed."

"Alright. On the Adjournment Resolution. We're not adjourning. We're just going to adopt the Adjournment Resolution. Mr. Clerk, proceed."

"House Joint Resolution 130. Resolved by the House of Representatives of the 84th General Assembly of the State of Illinois, the Senate concurring herein, that when the House of Representatives adjourn on Wednesday, January 8, 1986, it stands adjourned until Monday, February 10, 1986 at the hour of 12:00 noon. And when the Senate adjourns on Tuesday, January 9, 1986, it stands adjourned until Monday, February 10, 1986 at the hour of 12:00 noon."

"Gentleman from Lake, Mr. Matijevich, moves that the House adopt the Adjournment Resolution. All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Adjournment Resolution is adopted. On Supplemental Calendar #2, on the Order of Nonconcurrence, appears Senate Bill 994. And on that, the Gentleman from Kendall, Mr. Hastert. Mr. Vinson." 50  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 88th Legislative Day January 8, 1986

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Assembly, I would move that the House do not recede on House Amendment #4 to Senate Bill 994 and that we request a Conference Committee be appointed with the Senate."

"Gentleman from DeWitt, Mr. Vinson, moves that the House refuse to recede from Amendment... House Amendment #4 to Senate Bill 994. And on that, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall the House refuse to recede?' Those in favor say 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the House does refuse to recede from House Amendment #4 to Senate Bill 994. Okay. And a Conference Committee is requested. Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Madison, Mr. McPike, for adjournment, there being a Resolution previous to that. And we will stand adjourned upon the Resolution. Mr. Clerk..."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I move for the adoption of the Adjournment Resolution."

"Alright. Mr. McPike, will you hold that just for a moment? Mr. McPike will withdraw his Motion for a moment. We have a Death Resolution."

"House Resolution 954, offered by Representative Madigan - et al, with respect to the memory of Bill Veck."

"Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Madigan, moves for the adoption of the Death Resolution. Those in favor say 'aye', opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Resolution is adopted. Chair recognizes a Death Resolution for a former Member. Mr. Clerk, read the Resolution."

"House Resolution 951, offered by Representative Parke. Whereas, the Members of the House have learned with great sadness of the recent passing of John M. Carey, a former Member of the House of Representatives of this 51  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 88th Legislative Day January 8, 1986 state; and whereas, a native of Chicago, John M. Carey served in the United States Army during World War II; and whereas, in 1980, John Carey was elected to the Illinois House of Representatives to represent the 2nd District during the 82nd General Assembly; and whereas, throughout his professional life, John Carey was self-employed in a number of different businesses and was employed by Warwick Electronics in management for 25 years; and whereas, John Carey is survived by his two children, Susan and Pamela; and whereas, it is certain that the warmth and love of John Carey shared with all he knew will long be remembered and treasured by friends and family alike. Therefore, be it resolved by the House of Representatives of the 84th General Assembly of the State of Illinois that we express our sincere sorrow at the loss of John Carey, that we join with those individuals who mourn the loss of a close friend and colleague and that to his bereaved family we extend our heartfelt sympathy. Therefore, be it resolved that a suitable copy of this Preamble and Resolution be presented to the family of John Carey as a formal indication of our mutually shared sense of loss."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Parke."

"Thank you, Mr. Chairman, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. It's sad that I have to pass this Resolution. In the past two years I've gotten to know Jack and his role in the Village of Streamwood. Recently became... I... wanted to get back into public life. Recently became a member of the Streamwood Village Board and must say that it was a shock to all the people in Streamwood and to my Legislative District to have Jack pass away. It will be a loss not only to the Village of Streamwood but to all the citizens of Illinois. And it's with regret that I've put this House Resolution through. Thank you." 52  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 99th Legislative Day January 8, 1986

"Gentleman from Lake, Mr. Matijevich."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, on this side of the aisle we also express our regrets. Jack wasn't with us very long, but I can tell you, having sat right in front of Jack, that he was consciencious. He was so friendly. Everyday, Jack would reach in his drawer and say, 'John, have some candy.' And I'll tell you, Jack had the best candy in the world. And he was that way with everything he had. If he had something, it was yours too. So, we also express our sympathies and our condolences to Jack's family."

"Gentleman from Madison, Majority Leader McPike."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. With the adoption of this, I move we stand adjourned."

"All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. The Resolution is adopted, and the House does now stand adjourned." 53  03/04/87 STATE OF ILLINOIS PAGE 1 11:53 84TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES DAILY TRANSCRIPTION OF DEBATE INDEX JANUARY 08, 1986 HB-1037 CONFERENCE PAGE 23 HB-2576 FIRST READING PAGE 4 HB-2577 FIRST READING PAGE 4 HB-2578 FIRST READING PAGE 4 HB-2579 FIRST READING PAGE 4 HB-2580 FIRST READING PAGE 4 HB-2581 FIRST READING PAGE 4 HB-2582 FIRST READING PAGE 4 HB-2583 FIRST READING PAGE 4 HB-2584 FIRST READING PAGE 5 HB-2585 FIRST READING PAGE 5 HB-2586 FIRST READING PAGE 5 HB-2587 FIRST READING PAGE 5 HB-2588 FIRST READING PAGE 5 HB-2589 FIRST READING PAGE 5 HB-2590 FIRST READING PAGE 5 HB-2591 FIRST READING PAGE 5 HB-2592 FIRST READING PAGE 5 HB-2593 FIRST READING PAGE 5 HB-2594 FIRST READING PAGE 5 HB-2595 FIRST READING PAGE 5 HB-2596 FIRST READING PAGE 6 HB-2598 FIRST READING PAGE 48 HB-2599 FIRST READING PAGE 48 HB-2600 FIRST READING PAGE 48 HB-2601 FIRST READING PAGE 48 HB-2602 FIRST READING PAGE 48 HB-2603 FIRST READING PAGE 48 HB-2604 FIRST READING PAGE 48 HB-2605 FIRST READING PAGE 49 HB-2606 FIRST READING PAGE 49 HB-2607 FIRST READING PAGE 49 HB-2608 FIRST READING PAGE 49 HB-2609 FIRST READING PAGE 49 HB-2610 FIRST READING PAGE 49 HB-2611 FIRST READING PAGE 49 HB-2612 FIRST READING PAGE 49 HB-2613 FIRST READING PAGE 49 HB-2614 FIRST READING PAGE 49 HB-2615 FIRST READING PAGE 50 HB-2616 FIRST READING PAGE 50 HB-2617 FIRST READING PAGE 50 SB-0994 NON-CONCURRENCE PAGE 50 SB-1249 THIRD READING PAGE 43 SB-1345 CONFERENCE PAGE 40 HR-0909 MOTION PAGE 9 HR-0910 MOTION PAGE 22 SUBJECT MATTER HOUSE TO ORDER - REPRESENTATIVE GREIMAN PAGE 1 PRAYER - REVEREND YANDELL PAGE 1 PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE PAGE 1 ROLL CALL FOR ATTENDANCE PAGE 1 DEATH RESOLUTIONS PAGE 3 AGREED RESOLUTIONS PAGE 6 GENERAL RESOLUTIONS PAGE 7 COMMITTEE ON ASSIGNMENT PAGE 7 COMMITTEE REPORTS PAGE 9 MESSAGES FROM THE SENATE PAGE 47 AGREED RESOLUTIONS PAGE 47 DEATH RESOLUTIONS PAGE 47 GENERAL RESOLUTIONS PAGE 48 COMMITTEE ON ASSIGNMENT PAGE 48  03/04/87 STATE OF ILLINOIS 11:53 84TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES DAILY TRANSCRIPTION OF DEBATE INDEX PAGE 2 JANUARY 08, 1986 SUBJECT MATTER ADJOURNMENT RESOLUTION PAGE 50 DEATH RESOLUTIONS PAGE 51 ADJOURNED PAGE 53