Illinois House Floor Debate — June 27, 1986

"Ladies and Gentlemen, the House will come to order. I would ask all Hembers to be in their seat. The Chaplain for today will be the Reverend Alvin W. Rodeck, Pastor of Trinity Lutheran Church of Nokomis. Reverend Rodeck is the guest of Representative Karen Hasara. Would our guests in the gallery please rise for the invocation?"

"In the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. Amen. Let us pray. Almighty God, blessed Holy Trinity, we thank You for bringing us all here again for the purpose of doing Your work and preserving and blessing our state and all citizens of our commonwealth. We acknowledge that in You we live and root and have our being. We pray that You would enable our lawmakers to foster legislation that provides our government with strength and power tempered by justice. Bless all these, Your Representatives, with wisdom to write and to enact laws that will guarantee safety. protection and integrity. Inspire them to encourage goodwill among the people, that all citizens may grow in appreciation of justice. Dear Lord, use the efforts of those who write the laws and those who interpret them for the accomplishment of what is Your will and what is pleasing to You. We ask all this in the Name of Jesus our Saviour. Amen. May the Lord richly bless you in your work."

"We will be led in the pledge by Representative Ropp."

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

"Roll Call for Attendance. Representative Piel, for what reason do you rise?" 1  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 27, 1986

136 Legislative Day Piel: "Yes, would the record show that Representative McCracken is excused today, Madam Speaker?"

"The record should show that Representative McCracken is excused for the day. Mr. Clerk, take the record. The record shows that there are 117 Members answering the Roll Call, and a quorum of the House is present and ready to do work. Ladies and Gentlemen, in a few minutes, hopefully about five minutes, we are ready to go to the Order of Appropriations. So, would all of the Appropriations Staff and Committee Members come to the chamber and prepare to do that work? Agreed Resolutions."

"House Joint Resolution 231, offered by Representative Dunn, 234, by Representative Weaver. House Resolution 1507, Hasara; 1508, Davis: 1509, Wolf: 1510. Johnson and Black; 1511, Terzich: 1513, Mulcahey: 1515, Pullen and McAuliffe: 1517, Barger and Greiman et al; 1518, Brookins et al."

"Representative Matijevich on the Agreed Resolutions."

"Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, these are all agreed. I would like to ask leave. House Joint 231, by Dunn, congratulates Dick Lockhart. and he would like to have all Members of the Body added as Cosponsors and leave of the House for that."

"The Gentleman has leave. Representative Matijevich has leave of the Body to add all Members as Cosponsors to that Resolution. Turn on Representative Matijevich."

"And now would move adoption of the Agreed Resolutions."

"Representative Matijevich moves for the adoption of the Agreed Resolutions. All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'no'. In the opinion of the 2  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 136 Legislative Day June 27, 1986 Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Agreed Resolutions are adopted. Death Resolutions."

"House Joint Resolution 230, offered by Representative Daley, with respect to the memory of Mary Francis Lavelle Gudgeon. House Resolution 1514, offered by Representative Martinez, with respect to the memory of Alicia Quiroga. House Resolution 1512, offered by Representative Currie, with respect to the memory of Alvin A. Rider, Sr."

"Representative Matijevich moves for the adoption of the Death Resolutions. All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'no". In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Death Resolutions are adopted. General Resolutions."

"House Joint Resolution 232, offered by Representative Braun. And House Joint Resolution 233, offered by Representative Braun."

"Committee on Assignment. Representative Kulas is recognized on a point of personal privilege."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. I enjoy being the first one on the House floor to be able... I'd like to ask a question of my seatmate, Representative Ronan. Representative Ronan, could you tell the House what happens when you use a driver and then a four iron and then you sink a ten foot pole at the rail, isn't that a 469 yard par five hole?"

"Representative Kulas, in order to answer that very difficult question, on the fifth hole, which is 469 yards long, when you hit a driver, a four iron, and you sink a ten foot putt, you must be Representative Jack Kubik, because that's what he did this morning. He eagled the fifth hole over at the rail, and I feel that we should give him a round of support. Obviously, Representative Kulas and I never had that experience, so that we thought we'd 3  136 Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 27, 1986 just pay a little homage to Representative Kubik. Thank you."

"Representative Kubik, can you tell us how you did it?"

"It's called luck, I think. But Representative Ronan and Representative Kulas, if you keep playing with me, you may also at one time in your life have an eagle as well."

"Ladies and Gentlemen, while we wait for the Appropriations Staffs and Committees to prepare for the appropriations agenda, we will go to the Order of Nonconcurrence, nonappropriation items. It starts on page six on your Calendar. That's the Order of Nonconcurrence, and we will be calling those Bills that are not appropriation matters. Representative Kulas, for what reason do you rise?"

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. I think that, maybe, before we start the nonconcurrence, I had a parliamentary question yesterday, and I was serious and neither Representative Braun nor Representative Giglio were able to answer that question and they gave me a runaround, and this might come up again today, and I'd like to get an answer on if the House refuses... if there is a Motion to refuse to recede, and if the House refuses to refuse to recede and then a substitute Motion is made to recede on the Senate Amendments, then the people who have refused to refuse to recede should they be voting 'yes' or 'no' on the Motion to recede?"

"They should vote 'no'."

"Thank you."

"Definitely. On page six on your Calendar, the first Bill is Senate Bill 1468, Representative Daniels. Is there someone able to present that? Out of the record. Senate Bill 1517, Representative Terzich or McGann. 4  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 136 Legislative Day June 27, 1986 Representative Terzich or McGann. These are nonconcurrence Motions, Ladies and Gentlemen. They should be very easy to present. Out of the record. Senate Bill 1552, Representative Giglio, on a nonconcurrence Motion. This is an Act in relation to the conducting of charitable games. Call the Bill, Mr. Clerk.

"Senate Bill 1552, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act in relation to the conducting of charitable games. The Senate has refused to concur in House Amendment #1."

"Representative Giglio."

"Madam Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I move to refuse to recede from Amendments... Amendment #1 to House... Senate Bill 1552."

"The Gentleman has moved to refuse to recede to Senate Amendment #1 to... to House Amendment #1 to Senate Bill 1552. And on that question, Representative Piel, at Representative Vinson's desk."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Will the Gentleman yield, please?"

"He will."

"To Representative Piel, yes."

"Thank you, Frank. Could you explain to us what the Bill is without and then with the Amendment so we know exactly what we're voting for?"

"Well, the House Amendment to Senate Bill 1552 was to not have the... not have cash prizes. We had... the House passed... we passed our Bill where we didn't have cash prizes. We had the five dollar limit and we also had no poker in our Bill... or our Amendment."

"So in other words, what you're saying is... you want to refuse to recede on this because with the Amendment on there, it would allow cash prizes or it would not allow cash prizes?" 5  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 27, 1986

136 Legislative Day Giglio: "With the Amendment on, it's no cash prizes."

"So, if you do not want cash prizes, you should vote with you, correct?"

"Right. You should vote with me and refuse to recede from this Amendment."

"Fine. Good. I will vote with you then. Thank you."

"Thank you."

"The Gentleman from Lee, Representative Olson."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I rise in support of Representative Giglio's Motion. This was described at Judiciary II when it came to us, and it is a good position which to be. We would go with him on his Motion to refuse to recede."

"There being no further discussion, the question is, 'Shall the House refuse to recede from House Amendment #1 to Senate Bill 1552?' All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the House refuses to recede from the House Amendment to Senate Bill 1552. Senate Bill 1565, Representative O'Connell - Preston. Excuse me. Representative Giglio, did you wish to request a Conference Committee on House Bill (sic - Senate Bill) 1552?"

"Yes. Yes, Madam Speaker."

"He does. The Gentleman has requested a Conference Committee on Senate Bill 1552, and a Conference Committee will be appointed. Senate Bill 1565 has been called. Representative O'Connell. Out of the record. Senate Bill 1666, Representative Hoffman or Cowlishaw. Out of the record. Senate Bill 1709, Representative Keane. Out of the record. Senate Bill 2018, Representative Mays. Representative Mays, it's Senate Bill 2018. It amends the Illinois Vehicle Code."

"Yeah, Madam Speaker, we would like to hold this for just a 6  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 136 Legislative Day June 27, 1986 second while we get everything squared away on this."

"Out of the record. Senate Bill 2020, Representative White. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 2020, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Public Aid Code. The House... or the Senate refused to concur with House Amendments #5, 6 and 7."

"Representative White."

"Madam Speaker, and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, on Senate Amendments 5 and 6, I'd like to recede, and on Senate Amendment #7, I'd like to refuse to recede from that Amendment."

"Representative White, has moved to recede from House Amendments #5 and 6 to Senate Bill 2020. Is there any discussion? All those in favor vote 'aye", all those opposed vote "no". Voting is open. This pertains to Amendments 5 and 6. We are receding from these Amendments, Ladies and Gentlemen. Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 106 voting 'aye", none voting 'no', and I voting 'present, and the House does recede from Amendments 5 and 6 to Senate Bill 2020. Representative White, now moves to refuse to recede from House Amendment #7 to Senate Bill 2020. Is there any discussion on that Motion? Hearing none, the question is, 'Shall the House refuse to recede from Senate Bill 2020 and requests a Conference Committee... a Conference Committee. All those in favor say 'aye", all those opposed say 'nay". In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the House refuses to recede from House Amendment #7 to Senate Bill 2020, and a Conference Committee will be appointed. Senate Bill 2108, Representative McPike. Out of the record. Senate Bill 2129, Representative O'Connell. Representative Daley. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk." 7  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 136 Legislative Day June 27, 1986

"Senate Bill 2129, a Bill for an Act to amend the Code of Criminal Procedure. The Senate has refused to concur in House Amendment #2."

"Representative Daley."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker and Members of the House. I ask that the House refuse to recede on House Amendment #2 and that a Conference Committee be appointed."

"Representative Daley requests that the House refuse to recede from House Amendment #2 to Senate Bill 2129. And on that question, the Gentleman from Macon, Representative Tate."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. I would just like to ask the Gentleman to explain what Amendment 2 does."

"Representative Daley."

"The Amendment... the Amendment, Representative, dealt with jury exemptions, juvenile law, narcotic offenses and the state's right to a jury trial."

"Representative Olson, on the question."

"Thank you very much, Madam Speaker. Would the Sponsor yield?"

"He indicates he will."

"Just to refresh my mind, is this the Bill which Representative O'Connell and Representative Davis spoke to just the other day, and this is the area where we're going to provide for the demands. state's attorney wise, with regard to narcotics use as far as trials are concerned? Thank you very much. I..."

"Representative Dale... Representative Daley, you have to speak closer to your microphone because your answers are not being recorded."

"That's correct."

"Thank you very much. I feel a little bit uncomfortable with that. I'm not going to be able to support you on 8  136 Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE this. Thank you."

June 27, 1986 "Representative Braun, on the Motion."

"Will the Gentleman yield?"

"He indicates he will."

"Representative Daley. Amendment 2 specifically referred to the state's right to a jury trial, is that correct, and It was rejected by the Senate?"

"That is correct."

"And, what was the vote in the Senate on that?"

"I... It was a voice vote."

"Okay. Thank you."

"Representative Daley has moved to refuse to recede from House Amendment #4. The question is, Shall the House refuse to recede from House Amendment #4 to Senate Bill 2108 Isic 2129)?" All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'no". In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the House refuses to recede from House Amendment #4 to Senate Bill 2108... excuse me, House Amendment #2 to Senate Bill 2129, and a Conference Committee will be appointed. With leave of the Body, we'll go back to Senate Bill 1666. Hearing no objection, read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 1666 (sic Senate Bill 1666), a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. The Senate has refused to concur in House Amendments #1 and 2." "Representative Cowlishaw."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I move to refuse to recede from House Amendments #1 and 2 to Senate Bill 1666. The original Bill provides a definition of the term 'dropout", and it al also specifies that the State Board of Education shall give the General Assembly annually a report on high school dropout rates and students enrolled in bilingual education programs. 9  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 136 Legislative Day Amendment #1 June 27, 1986 changed the grade levels effected from K through 12 to 1 through 12 because of the fact that in many cases kindergarten students dropout and begin their kindergarten year the following year instead. And Amendment #2 defines dropout as a child who is no longer attending ei ther a public or a private school. Both of those provisions need to be included in this legislation, and for that reason, I urge that this Body refuse to recede from House Amendments #1 and 2 to Senate Bill 1666.

"Representative Cowlishaw moves that the House refuse to recede from House Amendments 1 and 2 to Senate Bill 1666. And on that question, is there any discussion? Hearing none, the question is, Shall the House refuse to recede from House Amendments 1 and 2 to Senate Bill 16667" All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say "no". In the opinion of the Chair, the'ayes have it, and the House refuses to recede from House Amendments 1 and 2 to Senate Bill 1666, and a Conference Committee will be appointed. Again, we are preparing now to go to the Order of Appropriations. If all staff Members would come to the floor, we would get underway. On the Order of Concurrence, appropriation Bills only. page three on your Calendar, first Bill, House Bill 2975, Representative Barnes. Out of the record. House Bill 2976, Representative Barnes."

"Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I move to concur in Senate Amendments #1 and 2."

"Representative Barnes moves to concur in Senate Amendments #1 and 2 to House Bill 2976. And on that question, is there any discussion? Hearing none, the question is, Shall the House concur in Senate Amendments #1 and 2 to House Bill 2976?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no". Voting is open. This is final action. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted 10  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 136 Legislative Day June 27, 1986 who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 115 voting 'aye', none voting 'no', and none voting present.. And the House does concur in Senate Amendments #1 and 2 to House Bill 2976. House Bill 2978, Representative Barnes. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. That applies to House Bill 2976, Representative Barnes. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2978, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the Office of State Fire Marshall, together with Senate Amendments #1 and 2."

"Representative Barnes."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I move to concur in Senate Amendments #1 and 2 to House Bill 2978."

"The Lady moves to concur in Senate Amendments #1 and 2 to House Bill 2978. And on that question, the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Leverenz."

"Thank you. I agree with what she is doing if she can just simply say what those two Amendments do. It will satisfy some questions on my side."

"Representative Barnes, tell us what the Amendments do if you can, please."

"Just a brief 1 and 2 do this and this, so the people Barnes: over here know what we're doing and we're okay." "To 2978, Senate Amendment #1 made guideline cuts totalling $116,500 Fire Prevention Fund, cuts including phasing longterm vacancies 23,000; holding pay raises within guidelines $47,500; elimination of funding for a lump sum vacation pay 12,500, as well as guideline cuts in other lines. Appropriates $20,000 federal funds for the community fire prevention program. This includes $10,000 received during Fiscal Year '86 which was not expended 11  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 136 Legislative Day because the office lacked June 27, 1986 appropriation authority; transfers 1.3 million from the Fire Prevention Fund to the General Revenue Fund due to the fact that Fiscal Year 86 Fire Prevention Fund receipts are almost 2,000,000 higher than estimated; increases the appropriation of the Chicago Fire Department Training Program by $189,700 to account for the higher receipts mentioned above. The effective Senate Amendment #2 appropriates $5,000 General Revenue Fund to the Office of the State Fire Marshall for the purpose of making grants to areas not currently located when the fire protection district to defray the cost of organizing new fire protection districts."

"The question is, Shall the House concur in Senate Amendments #1 and 2 to House Bill 2978?" All those in favor vote aye", all those opposed vote "no". Voting is open. This is final passage. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 115 voting 'aye, none voting 'no', and none voting 'present.. And the House does concur in Senate Amendments #1 and 2 to House Bill 2978, and this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 2979, Representative Barnes. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2979, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the Liquor Control Commission, together with Senate Amendment #1."

"Representative Barnes."

"I move to concur in Senate Amendment 31 which just conforms with the guidelines. There is no dollar change."

"The Lady has moved to concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2979. Is there any discussion? Hearing none, the question is, Shall the House concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2979?* All those in 12  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 136 Legislative Day June 27, 1986 favor vote 'aye", all those opposed vote 'no". Voting is open. This is final action. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 115 voting 'aye", none voting 'no', and none voting 'present', and the House does concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2979, and this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 2980. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2980, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the Illinois Educational Labor Relations Board, together with Senate Amendment #1."

"Representative Barnes."

"I move to concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2980, Madam Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, and what it specifically does is decreases personal service by $21,000 and it conforms to guidelines."

"The Lady has moved to concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2980. Is there any discussion? Hearing none, the question is, Shall the House concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2980? All those in favor vote 'aye", all those opposed vote 'no". Voting is open. This is final action. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 114 voting 'aye', none voting 'no', and none voting 'present', and the House does concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2980, and this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 2981. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2981, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the Local Labor Relations Board, together with Senate Amendment #1."

"Representative Barnes."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the 13  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 136 Legislative Day June 27, 1986 House. I move to concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2981. It's a total reduction of $26,900 from the General Revenue Fund."

"The Lady has moved to concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2981. Is there any discussion? Hearing none, the question is, 'Shall the House concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2981?" All those in favor vote 'aye", all those opposed vote "no". Voting is open. This is final action. Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 115 voting 'aye', none voting "no", and none voting 'present', and the House does concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2981, and this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared. House Bill 2982. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2982, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the State Labor Relations Board, together with Senate Amendment #1."

"Representative Barnes."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I move to concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2982. The effect of the Amendment is a total reduction of $9,300 from the General Revenue Fund."

"The Lady has moved to concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2982. Is there any discussion? Hearing none, the question is, 'Shall the House concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 29827 All those in favor vote 'aye, all those opposed vote "no". Voting is open. This is final action. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 110 voting 'aye", none voting 'no', and none voting present, and the House does concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2982, and this Bill, 14  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 136 Legislative Day having received the June 27, 1986 Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared. House Bill 2983. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2983, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the Health Care Cost Containment Council, together with Senate Amendment #l."

"Representative Hastert." "Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 2983 is the ordinary and contingent expense to Health Care Cost Containment Council, and I move to concur with Senate Amendment 1 which are guideline cuts." Speaker Breslin: discussion? "Representative Hastert has moved to concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2983. Is there any Hearing none, the question is, 'Shall the House concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 29837 All those in favor vote 'aye, all those opposed vote 'no". Voting is open. Clerk, take the record. On this question there are 114 voting 'aye", none voting "no", and none voting "present", and the House does concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2983, and this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 2984.

"House Bill 2984, Clerk, read the Bill." a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the Guardianship and Advocacy Commission, together with Senate Amendments #1 and 2."

"Representative Hastert."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. House Bill 2984 is the ordinary and contingent expense of the Guardianship and Advocacy Commission, and I move to concur in Senate Amendment #1 which are our guideline cuts."

"It's 2984, Mr. Clerk."

"Correction. Amendment #1 and 2."

"Okay. Representative Hastert moves that the 15  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 136 Legislative Day House concur June 27, 1986 in Senate Amendments #1 and 2 to House Bill 2984. Is there any discussion? Hearing none, the question is, "Shall the House concur in Senate Amendments #1 and 2 to House Bill 29847 All those in favor vote 'aye", all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. This is final action. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 109 voting 'aye', 1 voting 'no', and none voting 'present', and the House does concur in Senate Amendments #1 and 2 to House Bill 2984, and this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 2986, Representative Barnes. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2986, a Bill for an Act making appropriations of the Illinois Farm Development Authority, together with Senate Amendments #1 and 3."

"Representative Barnes."

"Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I move to nonconcur in the Senate Amendments to House Bill 2986."

"The Lady has moved to nonconcur in Senate Amendments #1 and 3 to House Bill 2986. Is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Leverenz."

"Thank you. Just to indicate that we agree and we'll be going to a Conference Committee."

"The Gentleman has... yes, the Gentleman has moved to nonconcur in Senate Amendments #1 and 2 to House Bill 2986. 1 and 3."

"Just indicating we're agreeing with her."

"Okay. The question is, "Shall the House nonconcur in Senate Amendments #1 and 3 to House Bill 2986?" All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes have it, and 16  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 136 Legislative Day June 27, 1986 the House does nonconcur in Senate Amendments #1 and 3 to House Bill 2986. House Bill 2987, Representative Hastert. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2987, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the Department of Alcoholism and Substance Abuse, together with Senate Amendments #1 and 2."

"Representative Hastert."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 2987 is the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Department of Alcohol and Substance Abuse. I move to concur in Senate Amendment #1 which are guideline cuts and also Senate Amendment #2 which is phase in of certain... various vacancies."

"The Gentleman has moved to concur in Senate Amendments #1 and 2 to House Bill 2987. And on that question, is there any discussion? Hearing none, the question is, 'Shall the House concur in Senate Amendments #1 and 2 to House Bill 2987?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. This is final action. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 115 voting 'aye', 1 voting 'no', and none voting 'present', and the House does concur in Senate Amendments #1 and 2 to House Bill 2987, and this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 2988. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2988, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the Department of Corrections, together with Senate Amendments #1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 and 11."

"Representative Barnes."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I move to nonconcur in the Senate Amendments in 17  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 136 Legislative Day June 27, 1986 House Bill 2988 and request a Conference."

"The Lady has moved to nonconcur in... All Amendments, Representative Barnes? All that are..."

"For all practical purposes, yes, Madam Speaker."

"Okay. The Lady has moved to concur in Senate Amendments #1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 and 11 to House Bill 2988. Is there any discussion on that nonconcurrence Motion? Hearing none, the question is, 'Shall the House nonconcur in Senate Amendments #1 through 11?" All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the House does nonconcur in Senate Amendments #1 through 11 to House Bill 2988. House Bill 2989, Representative Barnes. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen."

"Excuse me. The Clerk has to read the Bill first."

"House Bill 2989, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the Department of Commerce and Community Affairs, together with Senate Amendments #1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 13, 14, 15, 16, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28 and 29."

"Representative Barnes."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I refuse to concur with all the Senate Amendments for practical purposes to House Bill 2989 and request a Conference Committee."

"The Lady refuse... the Lady moves to nonconcur in all of the Senate Amendments to House Bill 2989. Is there any discussion? Hearing none, the question is, 'Shall the House nonconcur in all of the Senate Amendments to this Bill?' All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' 18  136 Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 27, 1986 have it, and the House does nonconcur in all of the Senate Amendments to House Bill 2989. House Bill 2990, Representative Barnes. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2990, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the Department of Financial Institutions together with Senate Amendments #1 and 2."

"Representative Barnes."

"Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I move to concur in Senate Amendments #1 and 2 to House Bill 2990. And Senate Amendment 1 deals with the Bureau of the Budget guidelines and Senate Amendment 2 is an increase of a $163,000 General Revenue Fund."

"The Lady has moved to concur in Senate Amendments #1 and 2 to House Bill 2990. Is there any discussion? Hearing none, the question is, Shall the House concur in Senate Amendments #1 and 2 to House Bill 2990?' All those in favor vote 'aye", all those opposed vote 'no". Voting is open. This is final action. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 113 voting 'aye', none voting 'no', and none voting 'present'. Representative Hawkinson wishes to vote 'aye". There are 100... Representative Black votes 'aye". There are 115 voting 'aye', none voting 'no', and none voting 'present', and the House does concur in Senate Amendments #1 and 2 to House Bill 2990. House Bill 2991, Representative Leverenz. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2991, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the Historic Preservation Agency, together with Senate Amendments #1, 2 and 4."

"Representative Leverenz."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. I would move the House would nonconcur in Senate Amendments 1, 2 and 4." 19  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE

136 Legislative Day Speaker Breslin: "Representative June 27, 1986 Leverenz moves to nonconcur in Senate Amendments #1, 2 and 4 to House Bill 2991. And on that question, is there any discussion? Hearing none, the question is, 'Shall the House nonconcur in Senate Amendments #1, 2 and 4 to House Bill 2991. All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say "no". In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the House does nonconcur in Senate Amendments #1, 2 and 4 to House Clerk Bill 2991. House Bill 2992. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2992, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the Civil Service Commission, together with Senate Amendment #1."

"Representative Barnes."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I move to concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2992. The effect of the Amendment is just confining itself to the Bureau of the Budget guidelines."

"The Lady has moved to concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2992. Is there any discussion? Hearing none, the question is, Shall the House concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 29927 All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. This is final action. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 114 voting 'aye', none voting 'no', and none voting 'present', and the House does concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2992, and this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 2994. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2994, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the Department of Registration and Education, together with Senate Amendment #1."

"Representative Barnes." 20  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE

136 Legislative Day Barnes: "Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and House. I move June 27, 1986 Gentlemen of the to concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2994. The Amendment reduces GRF for a total of $65,700."

"The Lady has moved to concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2994. Is there any discussion? Hearing none, the question is, 'Shall the House concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2994?" All those in favor vote 'aye'... I got... all those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. This is final action. Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 117 voting 'aye', none voting 'no', and none voting 'present', and the House does concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2994. House Bill 2995. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2995, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the Department of Public Aid, together with Senate Amendments #1, 2, 4, 5 and 6."

"Representative Hastert." "Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 2995 is the ordinary and contingent expenses for the Department of Public Aid. We move to concur in Senate Amendment #1 which is an addition. Also, Senate Amendment #2 which is an increase in domestic violent shelters... violence shelters. Senate Amendment #4 which is a federal demonstration grant, and Senate Amendment #6 which is a grant to Human Services."

"Representative Hastert has moved to concur in Senate Amendments #1, 2, 4, 5 and 6 to House Bill 2995. And on that question... Excuse me. Did you include Senate Amendment #5?"

"I believe I did, but I would move to concur with Senate Amendment #5." 21  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 136 Legislative Day

Clerk June 27, 1986 "Very good. He moves to concur in all of the Senate Amendments to House Bill 2995. Is there any discussion? Hearing none, the question is, "Shall the House concur in Senate Amendments #1, 2, 4, 5, and 6 to House Bill 2995?" All those in favor vote 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. This is final action. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 111 voting 'aye', 4 voting 'no', and 1 voting 'present', and the House does concur in Senate Amendments #1, 2, 4, 5 and 6 to House Bill 2995, and this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 2997. Clerk, read the Bill. Excuse me. House Bill 2996."

"House Bill 2996, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the Department of Public Health and the Governor's Council of Health and Physical Fitness, together with Senate Amendments #1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7."

"Representative Hastert."

"Thank you. Madam Speaker. 2996 is the ordinary contingent expenses for the Department of Public Health, and I move to concur in all Senate Amendments."

"The Gentleman moves to concur in Senate Amendments #1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7 to House Bill 2996. Is there any discussion? Hearing none, the question is, 'Shall the House concur in all the Senate Amendments to House Bill 2996?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. This is final action. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 112 voting 'aye', 1 voting 'no', and 2 voting 'present', and the House does concur in Senate Amendments #1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7 to House Bill 2996. House Bill 2997. Clerk, read 22  136 Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 27, 1986 the Bill."

"House Bill 2997, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the Department of Rehabilitation Services, together with Senate Amendments #1, 2 and 3."

"Representative Hastert."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 2997 is for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Department of Rehabilitation Services. I move to concur in Amendment #1 which makes guideline reductions. Senate Amendment #2 which deals with the Vocational Rehabilitation Fund. Senate Amendment #3... And ask for your concurrence in those Amendments."

"The Gentleman has moved to concur in Senate Amendments #1, 2 and 3 to House Bill 2997. And on that question, is there any discussion? There being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall the House concur in Senate Amendments #1, 2 and 3 to House Bill 2997?" All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 115 voting 'aye', none voting 'no', and 1 voting 'present', and the House does concur in Senate Amendments #1, 2 and 3 to House Bill 2997, and this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 2998. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2998, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the Department of Transportation, together with Senate Amendments #1, 3, 6, 7, 8, 11, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17 and 18."

"Representative Leverenz."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. I would move that the House nonconcur in those Senate Amendments enumerated by the Clerk at this time." 23  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 136 Legislative Day June 27, 1986

"Representative Leverenz has moved that the House nonconcur in Senate Amendments #1, 3, 6, 7, 8, 11, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17 and 18. And on that question, is there any discussion? Hearing none, the question is, "Shall the House concur in those Senate Amendments... not concur, rather, in those Senate Amendments previously enumerated to House Bill 2998?" All those in favor say 'aye, all those opposed say 'no". In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the House does nonconcur in all the Senate Amendments to House Bill 2998. House Bill 2999. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2999, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the Department of Transportation together with Senate Amendment #1."

"Representative Barnes."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I move to concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2999. The effect of the Senate Amendment is a total reduction of $256,092,907."

"The Lady has moved to concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2999. And on that question, is there any discussion? Hearing none, the question is, *Shall the House concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2999?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no". Voting is open. This is final action. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 111 voting 'aye', none voting 'no', and none voting 'present', and the House does concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2999, and this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 3000. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3000, a Bill for an Act making 24  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 136 Legislative Day June 27, 1986 appropriations to the Department of Mines and Minerals, together with Senate Amendments #1, 2, 3 and 4."

"Representative Barnes."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I move to concur in Senate Amendments #1, 2, 3, 4 to House Bill 3000. Senate Amendment #1 reduces some of the agency operations according to guidelines. Senate Amendment #2 breaks out some of the funding for a passthrough. Amendment #3 is a no dollar change, just some transfers, and Amendment #4 increases the lump sum passed through federal funds."

"The Lady has moved to concur in Senate Amendments #1 through 4 in House Bill 3000. Is there any discussion? Hearing none, the question is, Shall the House concur in Senate Amendments #1 through 4 in House Bill 3000?* All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote "no". Voting is open. This is final action. Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 114 voting 'aye', 1 voting 'no", and none voting 'present', and the House does concur in Senate Amendments #1, 2, 3 and 4 to House Bill 3000, and this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 3001. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3001, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the Department of Human Rights, together with Senate Amendments #1 and 2."

"Representative Hastert."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 3001 is the ordinary and contingent expense of the DHR. I move to concur with the Senate Amendments 1 and 2."

"The Gentleman moves to concur in Senate 25  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 136 Legislative Day Amendments #1 and 2 to House Bill 3001. June 27, 1986 Is there any discussion? Hearing none. the question is, Shall the House concur in Senate Amendments #1 and 2 to House Bill 3001?* All those in favor vote 'aye, all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Is the voting open?"

"Speaker."

"Excuse me. Representative Hastert. None of us are being recorded. Just a minute. All those in favor of concurring in Senate Amendments #1 and 2 to House Bill 3001 should be voting 'aye". This is final passage. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 105 voting 'aye', 7 voting 'no', and 3 voting "present", and the House does concur in Senate Amendments #1 and 2 to House Bill 3001, and this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 3002. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3002, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the Human Rights Commission, together with Senate Amendments #1 and 2."

"Representative Hastert."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 3002 is the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Human Rights Commission. And I move to concur with Senate Amendment #1 which is a... reduces the Commission budget by $33,000, and the guideline cut in Senate Amendment #2."

"The Gentlemen has moved to concur in Senate Amendments #1 and 2 to House Bill 3002. Is there any discussion? Hearing none, the question is, Shall the House concur in Senate Amendments #1 and 2 to House Bill 30027* All those in favor vote 'aye, all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. This is final action. Have 26  136 Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 27, 1986 all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 103 voting "aye, ó voting 'no', and none voting 'present', and the House does concur۰۰۰ Representative Laurino votes 'aye'. Representative Panayotovich votes "aye'. Representative Brookins votes 'aye'. Representative Washington votes 'aye. Representative Nelson Rice votes 'aye'. Representative Pangle votes 'aye". And Representative Christensen votes 'aye'. Have all voted who wish? On this question there are 110 voting 'aye', 6 voting 'no", and none voting 'present, and the House does concur in Senate Amendments #1 and 2 to House Bill 3002. House Bill 3003. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3003, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the Industrial Commission, together with Senate Amendment #1."

"Representative Barnes."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I move to concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 3003. That reduces the budget by $67,900 and guideline cuts."

"The Lady moves to concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 3003. Is there any discussion? Hearing none, the question is, 'Shall the House concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bil1 30037' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no". Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 110 voting'aye", 4 voting 'no', and 1 voting "present", and the House does concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 3003, and this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 3004. Clerk, read the Bill." 27  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE

136 Legislative Day Clerk Leone: "House Bill 3004, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the Medical Center Commission, together with Senate Amendments #1 and 2."

"Representative Hastert."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 3004 is the ordinary contingent expenses of the Medical Center Commission. I'd ask to concur in Senate Amendment #1 and Senate Amendment #2."

"The Gentleman has moved to concur in Senate Amendments 1 and 2 to House Bill 3004. And on that question, the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Cullerton."

"Yes, Madam Speaker, this is final passage?"

"It is."

"Representative... Will the Sponsor yield for a question?"

"He will."

"Representative Hastert, what is the Medical Center Commission? I thought we abolished all commissions."

"Well, the Senate... Senate... I'm sorry. Excuse me. The Medical Center Commission is a Commission that is tied with the University of Illinois to propagate economic development around the University of Illinois Hospital and Medical Center district in the near west side in Chicago."

"And how much is their budget?"

"It's $976,000."

"And how much of that goes to personnel? How many people do they have working for them?"

"They have eight people working for them. The amount is approximately $200,000."

"And so, where does the other $700,000 go?"

"One of the purposes of the Medical Center Commission is to buy land for the district, and they buy that land and 28  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 27, 1986 136 Legislative Day develop it and then are paid back for that land."

"So, how much money are we spending on things other than the ordinary and contingent expenses of the personnel services and travel and contractual services and the like, how much more are we spending on other items such as land and..."

"Well, part of this is GRF, and only about half of this budget is GRF, I think, $490,000, but the rest of that is Medical Center interest income funds, and that's 372,000. That money is reappropriated, 200,000 of that is reappropriated every year to buy land. If that land is not purchased, then that money is not spent."

"I see. Then what are the Senate Amendments that we're concurring with? What do they do?"

"I beg your pardon?"

"What are the Senate Amendments that we're concurring with? What do they do?"

"We are concurring with Senate Amendment #1 which reduces personal service lines, a total $2,400 which includes retirement, social security lines, and also, Senate Amendment #2 appropriates $105,900 for the purpose of building a temporary parking lot in the Center for the Chicago technological park, and that was an agreement that we had because there was a House Amendment that was removed by the Senate. This was necessary for them to have parking for tenants that they had, that they had entered into contracts with... with the Medical Center Commission. And that's what those two Amendments did."

"Fine. Thank you very much."

"You're welcome."

"Is there any further discussion? Hearing none, the question is, "Shall the House concur in Senate Amendments #1 and 2 to House Bill 3004?" All those in 29  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 136 Legislative Day June 27, 1986 favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote "no". Voting is open. This is final action. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 105 voting 'aye', 6 voting 'no", and 2 voting 'present', and the House does concur in Senate Amendments #1 and 2 to House Bill 3004, and this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 3005. Out of the record. Out of the record. House Bill 3006. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3006, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the State Emergency Services and Disaster Agency, together with Senate Amendments #1 and 2."

"Representative Barnes."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I move to concur in Senate Amendments #1 and 2 to House Bill 3006. The effect of Senate Amendment #1 is a total reduction for some guidelines of $24,200, and the effect of Senate Amendment #2 is merely a transfer."

"The Lady moves to concur in Senate Amendments 1 and 2 to House Bill 3006. Is there any discussion? Hearing none, the question is, 'Shall the House concur in Senate Amendments #1 and 2 to House Bill 3006? All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. This is final passage. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 113 voting 'aye', none voting 'no', and none voting 'present', and the House does concur in Senate Amendments #1 and 2 to House Bill 3006, and this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 3035. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3035, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the Secretary of State together with 30  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 136 Legislative Day June 27, 1986 Senate Amendments #1, 2, 3 and 4."

"Representative Hensel."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Members of the Assembly. I move to concur with Senate Amendments 1, 2, 3 and 4. The effect of Senate Amendment #1 makes a total reduction of $3,141,365. Senate Amendment #2 adds $250,000 to the General Revenue Fund. Senate Amendment #3 adds $139,200. It also makes some restorations and transfers. Senate Amendment #4 adds $100,000. I ask for a favorable vote."

"The Gentleman has moved to concur in Senate Amendments #1 through 4 on House Bill 3035. Is there any discussion? Hearing none, the question is, 'Shall the House concur in Senate Amendments #1, 2, 3 and 4 to House Bill 3035?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. This is final action. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 112 voting 'aye', none voting 'no', and none voting 'present', and the House does concur in Senate Amendments #1 through 4 to House Bill 3035, and this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 3050. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3050, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the State Board of Education together with Senate Amendment #1."

"Representative Bowman."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Senate Amendment #1 reduces the appropriation of this Bill to one dollar. So, I, therefore, move to nonconcur in Senate Amendment #1."

"The Gentleman moves to nonconcur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 3050. Is there any discussion? Hearing none, the question is, 'Shall the House nonconcur 31  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 136 Legislative Day June 27, 1986 in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 3050? All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say "no". In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes have it, and the House nonconcurs in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 3050. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3090, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the State Board of Education together with Senate Amendments #1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 8, 10, 13, 14 and 15."

"Representative Matijevich."

"Madam Speaker, the... House Bill 3090 is the Bill to appropriate monies for grants in the ordinary and contingent expenses of the State Board of Education. Amendment #1 makes a reduction in the operation of the State Board and adds 75,000 for high school transition programs. Amendment 2 transfers appropriations contained in the school reform program Bill with some adjustments. Amendment #3 adds 150,000 for the Summer School for the Arts. Amendment 4 adds 50,000 for grants to reduce illiteracy. Amendment 5 is a 20,000 increase to 130,000 for the Government Student Internship Program. Amendment #8 increases gifted ed reimbursement program by $2,500,000. Amendment 10 reduces early ed by $3,520,000 and increases by the same amount in the truant alternative dropout program. Amendment 13 adds 50,000 for ag education. And 14 increases the Mathematics and Science Academy by $3,103,712. Amendment 15 adds 100,000 for grant to the Entrepreneurial Rural Government Finance and Policy Program. I move to concur with Senate Amendments 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 8, 10, 13, 14 and 15."

"Representative Matijevich moves to concur in Senate Amendments #1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 8, 10, 13, 14 and 15 to House Bill 3090. And on that question, is there any 32  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 136 Legislative Day June 27, 1986 discussion? Hearing none... The Gentleman from McLean, Representative Ropp, on the question."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Would the Sponsor yield?"

"He indicates he will."

"Representative, are you concurring with Amendment 13, and if you are, I think we conversed on this about the possible increase in some other appropriation, is that being considered?"

"We're not aware of it being anywhere else."

"Well, I thought that there was some consideration that was supposed to put some additional money because this is a total insult to the whole program that was established in 3200 or later, 2255."

"Move the adoption... move to concur with the Amendments that I have Iterated."

"He doesn't wish to answer any further questions, Representative Ropp. Do you wish to speak to the question?"

"Well, yes, on this particular issue, it is a rather substantial, major concern that we have dealing with ag education. I think we had about a 1,000 young people involving FFA down a couple of days ago. I think there is general support to move in this program and that 3200 passed with something like 113 votes. We did put in $5,000,000 initially which was granted rather a substantial amount. I'm telling this Body that 50,000 is a total insult to this program, and I would ask that we not support this unless we get some consideration that we're able to consider putting something in some other Bill which is a possibility, and if... I thought that we had some discussion about this issue on the other side and I'm not willing to support the total acceptance of all of these if this is all that we're getting. It just... you might as 33  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 136 Legislative Day June 27, 1986 well not even do anything as to give this amount. That's $125 per high school that's teaching ag. That doesn't do anything."

"Representative Satterthwaite, on the Motion."

"Sponsor yield for a question, please?"

"He indicates he will."

"As I understand it, John, the reform package is now all in this Bill, and I think, perhaps, some explanation needs to be made in regard to the lack of funding for summer school programs. Part of our reform package, of course, was to encourage our school districts to have summer school programs on a reimbursement basis, and I would not like to leave the local school districts with the impression that they are not going to be reimbursed."

"Representative Matijevich."

"Representative Satterthwaite, I share your concerns, however, there are no funds here for the summer school program. That's one part of the school reform that we do not finance through this appropriation Bill."

"Is it my understanding, however, that we intend to fund those programs in next year's budget?"

"Right."

"And SO, the school districts can assume that if they go forward with summer school programs this year, there will be reimbursement provided."

"You're... you're absolutely right. It will be shifted over to next year's appropriation."

"Fine, I just think we ought to have that on record that we are making a commitment, however, to follow through with that portion of our reform package and provide reimbursement even though the timing may be somewhat different than we had originally anticipated." 34  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 136 Legislative Day June 27, 1986

"Representative Bowman, on the Motion."

"Yes, thank you, Madam Speaker. I rise in support of the Gentleman's Motion. I just want to comment on a couple of issues that have been raised. Representative Ropp had spoken with me about the agricultural education program. and I indicated that because there was a very delicate balance achieved among various programs in this Bill that there was a lot of sentiment from keeping this Bill out of Conference Committee. However, I did agree to work with him in trying to see what could be done to enhance that particular program's funding in some other Bill. We did send House Bill 3050 to Conference. I am the Sponsor of that Bill, and I'm sure that there are a few loose ends in addition to Representative Ropp's loosed end that needs to be tied up in some other Bill, and we already have moved the Bill into a position to deal with that and I promised to work with him. And so, I think this Bill is in proper shape to be moved out as it is with that addendum. So, I support the Motion."

"Representative Hoffman. Representative Hoffman, on the Motion."

"Thank you very much, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Given the givens in terms of the resources available and the needs of the programs. I rise in support of the... of concurring in Senate Amendments to House Bill 3090."

"The Gentleman from Lee, Representative Olson, on the Motion."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I'd like to rise and join with Representative Ropp in his concerns with the effect of Senate Amendment #13. It is not the kind of message we should be sending to our agriculture community, particularly in view of the impact 35  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 136 Legislative Day June 27, 1986 of agricultural exports in this state, and I'm extremely disappointed that it comes down in this form."

"Representative Klemm, on the Motion."

"Will the Sponsor yield for a question, please?"

"He indicates he will."

"Representative, I noticed on Senate Amendment #3 we have a 150,000 in GRF for the Illinois Summer School for the Arts. Is that correct? Would you turn on the Sponsor, Representative Matijevich?"

"Representative Matijevich."

"Yes, Sir, Dick."

"Is that what you were looking for, $150,000?"

"That... that's right. That's for start up for the Summer School for the Arts. The fact of the matter is that we've got in the community college Bill also, but we want to avoid a Conference Committee on this..."

"Okay. My question was that on Senate Bill 1611, you have a 150,000 on Amendment 1, and I didn't know if... You're going to take that off, then, later on?"

"I had spoken to the staff about taking it off of this Bill, but... so that we get no confusion when the Bill goes back to the Senate. They would rather that I concur in all Amendments. I appreciate your concern that it not Klemm: be in two places." "Well, that's what I was wondering about."

"I don't like to do business that way, but I am taking their advice in having it in two places,"

"So, it will go to... you're recommending it goes to the Governor in two places, but you only need one of them."

"Yeah. Sure. I want to make the Governor look good where he can cut the 150,000 out of this, and, you know, it looks like he's really slashing."

"But really only 150,000." 36  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE

136 Legislative Day Matijevich: "Right." June 27, 1986

"And so the Governor is going to do one or the other."

"Correct. Correct."

"Alright. Thank you very much."

"Representative Cowlishaw, on the Motion."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I, too, stand in support of this concurrence Motion. In most respects when these Amendments are all taken together along with the underlying Bill, we have something which, I believe, is comparatively fair. Now, each of us might want to shift some of these monies from one program to another, but the fact is that I believe on the whole, this is comparatively fair. Absolutely, the only objection that I can find to it is that, in fact, our obligation to education and to education reform could be met better with a larger number of dollars, but that's true in all state programs. On the whole, I think this is a balanced measure. I think it helps us to fulfill our truly solemn obligation to education, and I move the previous question."

"Representative Cowlishaw, I can't recognize the move of the previous question when a Member has spoken on the issue, but there are no other Members seeking recognition except Representative Ropp. And you have already spoken in debate, Sir. It is not proper to speak again. Representative Ropp, for what reason do you rise?"

"Madam Speaker, I was going to move to divide the question on 13."

"The Gentleman moves to divide the question so that the Motion applies to all other Amendments, save Senate Amendment #13. Is that correct?"

"Yes, Ma'am."

"Is there any discussion of the Motion? 37  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 27, 1986 136 Legislative Day Representative Matijevich."

"I have a problem with that, Representative Ropp. Senate Amendment #13, I believe that's the number you're dividing, in any event, the Amendment with the relation to ag ed. There is every effort to keep this Bill out of Conference Committee. So, if this goes back and let's say that we did vote, you know. we want to express our concern about rural agricultural education and it went back to the Senate in nonconcurring, they would very well recede. and you'd get absolutely zero. And I don't think you want that to happen. So, it's alright to divide, but I hope that when we do divide that we concur with that Amendment, because then the issue is you want $50,000 for ag ed or nothing. I believe Representative Woods Bowman when he says that in another vehicle Bill and there are some vehicles and there is one on education also that he is going to make every effort to increase the appropriation for agricultural education, but I don't think this is the way to do it. You have the right to divide, but I would hope that you withdraw that and work with Woody Bowman. and he's going to be on every Conference Committee relating to appropriations."

"Representative Hoffman. The Gentleman..."

"Thank you... thank you. Madam Speaker. With all due respect to the interest of the... of the Gentleman to divide this question, if we divide anything off and don't get a recede on the part of the Senate, and there is a big difference here, we throw it all into Conference, and I don't think it's in our best interest to do this. And I would hope that the Gentleman withdraws his Motion in terms of the better and the bigger good."

"Representative Ropp, do you persist in your right to divide the question?" 38  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 136 Legislative Day June 27, 1986

"Madam Speaker, with the understanding that Representative Matijevich has that he, too, in good faith will work on behalf of this with Representative Bowman and others, I'll withdraw this Motion, because I do have faith in their judgment. This particular amount is a total insult to the whole program, and I... I'll allow this Bill to move, but we certainly want to do better in 3050."

"The question is, 'Shall the House concur in Senate Amendments #1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 8, 10, 13, 14 and 15 to House Bill 3090?* All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote "no". Voting is open. Representative Mulcahey, one minute to explain your vote."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. I, likewise, am going to register a protest, especially on Senate Amendment #13, which we have been discussing here for the past few minutes. And also to let the record show that I very strongly object to the increase for the grant in the Illinois Mathematics and Science Academy of over $3,000,000, which I think is worthless, but you can't throw the baby out with the bath water, and I vote 'aye'."

"Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. Excuse me. Representative Dunn votes 'aye'. On this question there are 1... there are 108 voting 'aye", 7 voting 'no', and none voting 'present', and the House does concur in Senate Amendments #1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 8, 10, 13, 14 and 15 to House Bill 3090, and this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 3091, Representative Steczo. The Gentleman here? Representative Matijevich, will you handle that Bill? Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3091, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the State Board of Education together with Senate Amendments #1 and 2." 39  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 136 Legislative Day June 27, 1986

"Representative Matijevich."

"Madam Speaker, this is the Bill for the general state aid for education, summer school payments and other supplementary payments. Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 3091 is a total net reduction of 23,345,100. Senate Amendment #2... Senate Amendment #2 has a total of 11,500,000 in elementary supplementary funds and 10,000,000 for the City of Chicago. I would move to concur with Senate Amendments #1 and 2 to House Bill 3091."

"Representative Matijevich moves to concur in Senate Amendments 1 and 2 to House Bill 3091. And on that question, is there any discussion? Hearing none, the question is, Shall the House concur in Senate Amendments #1 and 2 to House Bill 3091?" Representative Mulcahey, do you wish to discuss this question?"

"Would the Sponsor yield for a question?"

"He indicates he will."

"Representative Matijevich, there is a restoration of 8,000,000 for supplementary state aid payments to elementary districts. Would you explain that?"

"That is Senate Amendment #1..."

"Number... #2."

"Right at 2. Senate Amendment #2. From three and a half million to 11,500,000."

"According to what I have right here, it restores 8,000,000 for supplementary state aid."

1 Matijevich: "Correct."

"What is that... what is that for? What's..."

"Representative Pangle, on the Motion."

"That's for the... to continue the hold harmless that we had for elementary education."

"Okay, that is the hold harmless provision for elementary, and that's for one year?" 40  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE

136 Legislative Day Matijevich: "Correct." June 27, 1986

"Okay, and then, the... what is the... what is the 10,000,000 for for supplementary payments to district 299?"

"That's a grant to the City of Chicago school district."

"For what, John?"

"That's a grant probably to live up to a commitment that was made earlier, I'm sure."

"Okay, so we're talking..."

"Half... half a commitment, I guess."

"We're talking in terms of a two year contract that was... was given to the Chicago school teachers and the Governor promised to provide the funds necessary for that. So, this is the 10,000,000 that will go towards... towards that commitment."

"We're not sure it was a promise. It depends on how you read it."

"Thank you."

"Pledge."

"Representative Pangle, on the Motion."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield, please?"

"He will."

"Representative, is Amendment #2 - I just wanted some clarification, if I could please - is Amendment #2 $10,000,000 for a school district in Chicago?"

"There is only one school district in Chicago."

"Okay. And is that going to be all of the taxpayers throughout the total State of Illinois that's going to be paying that $10,000,000?"

"They pay for everything else."

"Okay, and so, in other words, the people that might live in my district, if I should vote for this Bill, will be 41  136 Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 27, 1986 voting for an extra $10,000,000 for the Cook County School District. Is that correct?"

"It's no different than the taxpayers in Chicago paying for your school district too."

"But this is an extra $10,000,000, right?"

"Well, it all depends on how you use the word "extra'."

"Thank you. To the Bill, Madam Speaker."

"Proceed."

"I just wanted to bring it to the attention of the downstaters, in fact, this is the Bill that we discussed in reference to the, what I feel, is the additional $10,000,000 to bail out the Cook County School District last year made by the Governor."

"The Gentleman from Marion, Representative Friedrich."

"Would the Sponsor yield?"

"He will."

"Representative Matijevich, we're appreciative of getting this money back in for the hold harmless, but where is the substantive language? I've been told that there is a question about that since we're fanning our wings here if we just provide the money and then no enabling legislation."

"Well, we haven't adjourned yet, Dwight."

"Well, I'm aware of that. I just want some kind of commitment out of you or somebody on that side of the aisle that we're going to get the substantive language."

"Well, you know, around here you wait long enough, you can see anything. So. I'm sure we'll have some language."

"Is that... is that... I assume that's a commitment. You're sure?" 42  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE

136 Legislative Day Matijevich: "I'm never sure of anything." June 27, 1986

"I thought you were. Well, we do need the substantive language."

"There are vehicles. There are vehicles though."

"I would call it to the attention of the Hembers that while we're getting the money in this appropriation, it will be futile unless we can get the enabling legislation also."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Bowman, on the Motion."

"Yes, thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I rise in support of the Motion to concur in the Senate Amendments. I would just like to point out to those people who feel that somehow there is extra money in here for Chicago that they are being injured. Let me make two points. Number one, we have in this same Bill some additional money for supplemental appropriations to elementary school districts throughout the state, and I'm sure a number of these districts are in Representative Pangle's area as well as in most other districts in this state. This money is over and above the regular state aid grant. This money is provided for in substantive legislation that, as far as I know, hasn't yet passed, and so, we are kind of going out on the limb here, for the elementary school districts throughout the state. I think fair is fair that we have in this Bill money to balance interests in city and suburban and rural areas. So, I would encourage people to, indeed, to vote their own interest. And I think if you vote your own interest, you'll be voting for this Bill. The other point I would like to make for those who somehow feel that... that it is wrong under any circumstances to put additional money in... to fund the Chicago school settlement that was agreed to 43  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 136 Legislative Day June 27, 1986 last year, that if we fail to do this, there is every reason to believe that there will be a strike in the fall, and then, because the Governor is on the hook, we'll be hearing a Special Session in the fall during campaign time, and I think that is a prospect that everybody should wish to avoid. So, if you wish to avoid a rancorous Special Session in which nobody is going to come out the winner, and if you wish to vote for a Bill that has, indeed, something for everybody, then I think you want to support this... the Gentleman's Motion and concur in Senate Amendments 1 and 2."

"The Lady from DuPage, Representative Cowlishaw."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I stand in support of this concurrence Motion. We ought not to be passing anything here, because we want to avoid unpleasantness at some later period of time. We ought to be passing things because we believe them to be right and fair and balanced and just. That's what I believe that this is. There are some provisions for the school settlement for the City of Chicago. Those are essential to continue the system of education in Chicago. There are some provisions to help elementary school districts. Those are the same provisions to which we agreed a year ago as part of the education reform package, but the most important element in this Bill is that with these Amendments adopted, and we need to all be aware of this because it is what, and I do not like this term, but it is what is now called the bottom line. The fact is that this Bill as amended provides overall in state aid appropriations for the fourth coming fiscal year an 8.5% increase over that appropriation for this year, and that will help us all. And I move the previous question." 44  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 27, 1986

136 Legislative Day Speaker Breslin: "Representative... Representative Klemm, on the Motion."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. When we had House Bill 3091, we passed an Amendment which was mine to give us the hold harmless, it was about 11.9 something million. After it went to the Senate, we adopted that, as you know, on the hold harmless for the elementary districts. When it went to the Senate, we found out we didn't really need that much, and the State Board had recommended that it be reduced. And I think what they did in Senate Amendment #1 and #2 was to remove and then restore to the level of what the State Board said we needed for the hold harmless, which was about $500,000 less than what we sent over there. So, really it's meeting the needs of our elementary districts that we had fought for before, and it does save some dollars on that, and I understand language will be, hopefully, adopted before we leave to give us a substantive language to expend that money. So, I stand in support of the Amendment."

"The Gentlemen from Rock Island, Representative DeJaegher."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. John, for my personal benefit, constructed in 3091 are two elements. One element basically is that we will provide an additional $10,000,000 in funding for the Chicago School District. Is that right? Also, John, structured within 3091, there is also a $11,000,000 appropriation for elementary schools."

"Yes, for the hold harmless provision which as someone said we are working on in, I'm sure, will be Conference Committee for the substantive language."

"The next question then, John, if this does not get the necessary votes, there is a possibility that this could go into Conference, and we could possibly lose $11,000,000 45  136 Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 27, 1986 in elementary fund for downstate school districts."

"That's always a possibility."

"Thank you, John."

"The Gentleman from DuPage, Representative Hoffman."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I stand in support of House Bill 3091. It very well illustrates the importance of this kind of a process where we can come together in some middle ground. For those who had questions in reference to the statutory language on the elementary hold harmless, it's my understanding that that will be coming back to us in a Conference Committee Report, and we will have an opportunity to vote on that issue. And so, I stand in support of House Bill 3091."

"The Gentleman from St. Clair, Representative Flinn."

"Madam Speaker, I move the previous question."

"Representative Flinn moves the previous question. The question is, 'Shall the main question be put? All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the main question is put. Representative Matijevich, to close."

"Madam Speaker. I appreciate the support of the Body on the Motions to concur. The only two issues I hear is the fact that we have not yet passed the substantive language on the hold harmless provision. I don't think we ought to stop this appropriation Bill, and we are working on that substantive language. The other relates to the grant for the City of Chicago. I think, in the Body of this Bill, we have taken care of, through the school aid formula, and downstate does fairly well with the formula. 46  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 136 Legislative Day Speaker June 27, 1986 I would appreciate the support of the concurrence Motion."

"The Gentleman moves to concur in Senate Amendments #1 and 2 to House Bill 3091. All those in favor vote 'aye, all those opposed vote 'no". Voting is open. Representative Huff, one minute to explain your vote."

"Yes, Madam Speaker, in explaining my vote. I just want the record to show that not one dime of this extra money will go to enhance the curriculum of education in the school district of Chicago. I think we've stretched this euphuism beyond all rounds of credibility when we say we are funding education when, in fact, we are just funding the special interest of those entities that are plugged into the educational system in Chicago. We must realize that, notwithstanding the fact that we fund 1,600,000,000 dollars to the school system in Chicago, Chicago remains a 2% school system, because 98% of every dollar that goes into that system goes to these special interest groups and is it any wonder, Ladies and Gentlemen, that we continue to produce 80% dropout at the high school levels and 50% of the graduating students from..."

"Representative Brunsvold, one minute to explain your vote."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. To explain my "present" vote, I agree with everything on the education Bill except for the money to solve the strike in Chicago. We had a strike in my district, a small district in Mercer County. The Governor did not come down at that time and solve our strike problem there. Our teachers got a $50.00 raise last year in Henona, and that's why I'm voting present on this Bill and object to the Governor interfering with the collective bargaining process. Thank you."

"Representative Van Duyne, one minute to explain your vote." 47  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 136 Legislative Day

June 27, 1986 "Yes, thank you, Madam Speaker. I think there is a little bit of confusion about this. The simplistic version of this is that the City of Chicago gets 10,000,000 dollars and downstate gets the other eleven, and that's kind of a half way reasonable approach, but one thing I think that most people are forgetting is that Cook County is not removed from this. So, of that 11,000,000 dollars that's supposed to be downstate, Cook County is going to be in there fighting for their portion of this too. So, I figure that when the... all the arguments are all over that Will County will probably come out with about ten or 15,000 dollars out of this, and I don't think that's good enough for Will County. So, I'm voting 'no'." Speaker Breslin: vote." "Representative Ropp, one minute to explain your

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. I don't want to beat a dead horse necessarily to death, but this is actually the Bill that had the $5,000,000 in for agricultural education. And I don't know why it ever got into 3090, but I have supported education whole heartedly. I'm just really not pleased with the idea that we have that, Well we'll work with you". I certainly think we need more of a commitment than, *Well, I'll be happy to work with you'. And I have good faith in all these people, but the Senate seems to not have the same kind of philosophy, but... that's why I'm voting 'no'."

"Representative Satterthwaite, one minute to explain your vote."

"Madam Speaker and Members of the House, in the legislation that we passed last year, we agreed for a one year hold harmless for elementary school districts in the recognition that we have been disadvantaging unit districts throughout the state for years. That was to be a one year 48  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 136 Legislative Day June 27, 1986 agreement. The fact that this now extends that to a second year is a disadvantage to every school district that does not... that is something other than an elementary district. I think for that reason, we should not be supporting this Bill unless we have a large number of separate elementary school districts within our legislative district. And for that reason, I'm voting "no"."

"Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. Representative Hicks, votes 'aye'. On this question, there are 80... Representative Hicks. On this question, there are 83 voting 'aye", 31 voting 'no', and 2 voting 'present'. And the House does concur in Senate Amendments #1 and 2 to House Bill 3091. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 3092. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3092, a Bill for an Act making appropriations from the Common School Fund to the State Board of Education together with Senate Amendment #1."

"Representative Hastert."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I move to... 3092 is the appropriation to the State Board of Education and down state teachers... Chicago Teachers Retirement System and move to concur in Senate Amendment #1, and that brings it at a 60% level of payout."

"The Gentleman moves to concur in Se Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 3092. And on that question, is there any discussion? Hearing none, the question is, 'Shall the House concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 30927* All those in favor vote aye", all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. This is final passage. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 113 voting 'aye', 2 voting 'no", and 1 voting present'. 49  136 Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASS EMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 27, 1986 And the House does concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 3092. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill... excuse me. House Bill 3093, Representative Matijevich. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3093, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the Department of Central Management Services together with Senate Amendment #1."

"Representative Matijevich."

"Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 3093 cuts in half from 500,000 to 250,000 monies needed to implement the Employees Suggestion Award Program under the Department of Central Management Services. I move to concur with Senate Amendment #1."

"The Gentleman moves to concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 3093. And on that question, is there any discussion? Hearing none, the question is, Shall the House concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 3093? All those in favor vote 'aye, all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. This is final action. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 114 voting 'aye", none voting 'no", and none voting *present'. And the House does concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 3093. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is here... hereby declared passed. Representative Stange wish to have been recorded as voting 'aye on House Bill 3093. House Bill 3165, Representative Bowman. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3165, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to various agencies together with Senate Amendments #1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 50  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 136 Legislative Day 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, and 20."

Bowman: Speaker June 27, 1986 "Representative Bowman, are you presenting this? Representative Bowman." "Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This is a supplemental appropriation to various state agencies and; because, there are always last minute things that need taken care of, we need to get this Bill into Conference Committee. So, I move we now nonconcur on all Senate Amendments to this Bill."

"The Gentleman moves to nonconcur in all Senate Amendments to House Bill 3165. Is there any discussion? Hearing none, the question is, "Shall the House concur... nonconcur in Senate Amendments... in all of the Senate Amendments to House Bill 3165?" All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. And the House does nonconcur in all Senate Amendments to House Bill 3165. House Bill 3191, Representative Bowman. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3191, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the Department of Mental Health and Developmental Disabilities together with Senate Amendments #1 and 2."

"Representative Bowman."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This is one of the... the Bills that we've been talking about that we need to use to tie up loose ends for the next year's OCE's. So, I move to nonconcur in both Senate Amendments to this Bill."

"The Gentleman has moved to concur in Senate Amendments #1 and 2 to House Bill 3191. Is there any discussion? Hearing none, the question is, "Shall the House concur in Senate Amendments #1 and 2 to House Bill 3191?" All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed 51  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 136 Legislative Day vote 'no". Voting is open." June 27, 1986

"Nonconcur."

"Excuse me."

"Nonconcur. I moved to nonconcur."

"Excuse me. Would you dump the Roll Call, Mr. Clerk?"

"Wrong Motion."

"The Gentleman has moved to nonconcur in Senate Amendments 1 and 2 to House Bill 3191. Is there any discussion on that Motion? Hearing none, the question is, Shall the House nonconcur in Senate Amendments 1 and 2 to House Bill 3191?" All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. And the House does nonconcur in Senate Amendments 1 and 2 to House Bill 3191. House Bill 3255. Out of the record. House Bill 3257, Representative Matijevich. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3257, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the Supreme Court together with Senate Amendments #1 and 2."

"Representative Matijevich."

"Madam Speaker, I want to get my cue from Chairman Leverenz. Chairman or Veronica up there. I've got a hold on this. I'm ready to nonconcur, but I don't want to do anything too quickly. Can I nonconcur? Madam Speaker, I move to nonconcur on Senate Amendment #1. The... It makes some reductions in the Supreme Court, and they're trying to work it out. We probably will have to do that through a Conference... Committee. I'm going to concur with Senate Amendment #2. It makes some restorations for probation officers. So, I will move to nonconcur with Senate Amendment #1."

"The Gentleman moves to nonconcur in Senate 52  136 Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 27, 1986 Amendment #1 to House Bill 3257. And on that question, is there any discussion? Hearing none, the question is, 'Shall the House nonconcur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 3257?" All those in favor say 'aye", all those opposed say 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes" have it. And the House does nonconcur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 3257. On Amendment #2, Representative Matijevich."

"Madam Speaker, I will concur with Senate Amendment #2. This makes some restorations in probation officers and appreciate your support on..."

"You have heard the Gentleman's Motion to concur in Senate Amendment #2. Is there any discussion? Hearing none, the question is, Shall the House concur in Senate Amendment #2 to House Bill 32577 All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Representative Mulcahey votes 'aye'. Representative Kirkland votes 'aye'. Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 100 voting 'aye", 16 voting 'no', and none voting 'present'. And the House does concur in Senate Amendment #2 to House Bill 3257. Ladies and Gentlemen, we will now go to appropriations only on the Order of Nonconcurrence. It starts on page six on your Calendar. The first appropriation to appear under the Order of Nonconcurrence is Senate Bill 1698, Representative Leverenz. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 1698, a Bill for an Act to provide for the ordinary and contingent and distributive expenses of the State Comptroller and various state agencies. The Senate has nonconcurred with House Amendment #2."

"Representative Leverenz. Representative 53  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 136 Legislative Day Leverenz." Leverenz: June 27, 1986 I would move the House "Thank you, Madam Speaker. recede in Amendment #2. It's a $75,000 amount. It has no substantive language. We will pick it up in a different Bill once the substantive language has been passed. This time I move we recede from House Amendment #2."

"The Gentleman moves to recede From House Amendment #2 to Senate Bill 1698. And on that question, is there any discussion? Hearing no discussion, the question is, Shall the House recede from House Amendment #2 to Senate Bill 1698?* All those in favor say 'aye, all those opposed say 'no' In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. And the House does recede from House Amendment #2 to Senate Bill 1698. We'll have to do it with a Roll Call. All those in favor vote aye, all those opposed vote 'no. Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 112 voting 'aye", none voting 'no', and none voting *present". And the House does recede from House Amendment #2 to Senate Bill 1698. Senate Bill 1737, Representative Hastert. Representative Hastert. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 1737, a Bill for an Act making appropriations for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Department of Aging. The enate has nonconcurred with House Amendments #1, 3, 4, 5, 14, 15, 16, 17, and 18."

"Representative Hastert." "Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I move to refuse to recede from House Amendments 1, 3, 4, 5, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, and 19... 18."

"The Gentleman has moved to refuse to recede... refusing to recede to House Amendments 1, 3, 4, 5, 14, 15, 16, 17, and 18 to Senate Bill 1737. Is there any discussion? Hearing none, the question is, Shall the 54  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 136 Legislative Day June 27, 1986 House refuse to recede from House Amendments #1, 3, 4, 5, 14, 15, 16, 17, and 18?"

"Madam Speaker."

"And the Gentleman requests a Conference Committee be appointed. All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. And the House does refuse to recede from House Amendments to Senate Bill 1737 and a Conference Committee will be appointed. Senate Bill 1738, Representative Hastert. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 1738, a Bill for an Act making appropriations for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Department of Mental Health and Developmental Disabilities. The Senate has nonconcurred with House Amendment #3."

"Representative Hastert."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Senate Bill 1738 is the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Department of Mental Health. The Senate has refused to nonconcur in Senate... House Amendment #... House Amendment #3. I move to recede."

"The Gentleman moves to recede from House Amendment #3 to Senate Bill 1738. And on that question, is there any discussion? Hearing none, the question is, *Shall the House recede from House Amendment #3 to Senate Bill 1738?" All those in favor say 'aye', all those... all those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Representative Terzich, one minute to explain your vote. The Gentleman indicates he does not wish to explain his vote. Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 117 voting 'aye', none voting 'no', and none voting 'present'. And the House does re... recede 55  136 Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 27, 1986 from House Amendment #3 to Senate Bill 1738. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Senate Bill 1748. Out of the record. Senate Bill 1751, Representative Barnes. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 1751, a Bill for an Act making appropriations for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Department of Corrections. The Senate has nonconcurred with House Amendments #3, 4, 6, 9, and 11."

"Representative Barnes."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I move to recede from House Amendments 3, 4, 6, 9, and 11 to Senate Bill 1751."

"The Lady moves to recede from House Amendments 3, 4, 6, 9, and 11 to Senate Bill 1751. And on that question, the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Cullerton."

"Yes, what do the Amendments do?"

"Representative Barnes."

"House Amendment #3 provides 2.5 million to the Winnebago County Board for purchasing of a juvenile detention center. House Amendment #4 provided $750,000 General Revenue Fund for reimbursement of counties for the medical expenses of state prisoners in county jails. House Amendment #6 reduced funding for the Hill Correctional Center. House Amendment #9 restored $2,068,300 cuts by the Senate from the introduced budget for Hill Correctional Center. House Amendment #11 transfers some personal service and related line items at Dwight, Menard, Pontiac, and Statesville Correctional Centers."

"When... when were all... When it's all said and done, how is the budget compared to the... how does the appropriation compare to the budget?" 56  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 136 Legislative Day June 27, 1986

"I think it's pretty much in line with the way it's supposed to be, Representative."

"Does that mean it's... it's as the... when the budget book was printed, the budget book contained a certain dollar amount and the appropriation is close to that or identical to that?"

"Just one moment, we'll get to the proper figures. As it was introduced, Representative Cullerton, it was 421,285,000, and as amended, it's approximately $427,495,700."

"So, it's only a couple million dollars short?"

"That's right."

"Thank you."

"The Gentleman from Knox, Representative Hawkinson, on the Motion."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. I wonder if the Sponsor would take this Bill out of the record for a few minutes? Alright, then in that event, Madam Speaker, I'm going to move to divide the question as to Amendment #9, and then I would like to speak to that Motion."

"The Gentleman is within his rights. He has moved to divide the question so that Amendment #9 will not be considered in this Motion. We will go to the Motion first and then get back to Amendment #9. The question before the House is, 'Shall the House recede from House Amendments 3, 4, 6, and Il to Senate Bill 1751?" All those in favor vote aye, all those opposed vote 'no". Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? This is final action. Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 114 voting 'aye', 2 voting "no", and none voting 'present'. And the House does recede from House Amendments 3, 4, 6, and 11 to Senate Bill 1751. And now to the Motion, 57  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 136 Legislative Day June 27, 1986 Representative Barnes makes a Motion to recede from House Amendment #9 to Senate B111 1751. And on that question, the Gentleman from Knox, Representative Hawkinson."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. I rise in strong opposition to the Motion to recede from Amendment #9. Two days ago we had this Motion on Amendment #9. It was a Verified Roll Call. This is the Motion which I offered along with Representative Barnes, Homer, and Mays to restore $3,000,000 so that the Hill Correctional Center in Galesburg can be open this fall. Now the facility will be completed before then. The facility will be ready for occupancy to relieve the prison crowding in the other correctional institutions around the state. The Senate cut two million, the House cut another million from that, which would have the effect of postponing the opening of that facility, leaving it ready to go, but not opened and not being used by our correctional system. Sixty-six of you voted with me to approve this Amendment and to not cause havoc within our correctional system. I would ask you to join me again today in opposing this Motion to recede from House Amendment #9."

"Is there any further discussion? Hearing none, Representative Barnes... Excuse me. Representative Leverenz, on the Motion."

"Well, the Gentleman is correct, and we did run a nice Amendment and whatever. The fact is, I believe this gives us nine months funding on Hill Correctional Center and the Department concurs. And I would ask that we not go with this Motion and defeat this Motion so that we can recede from Amendment #9 and get this Bill to the Governor's desk."

"Sir, the Motion before us is to recede. Representative Hawkinson has just spoken in opposition to 58  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 136 Legislative Day June 27, 1986 the Motion."

"Well, then we vote 'aye'."

"Representative Barnes, to close."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. The Department of Corrections feels it will only delay the opening by two months. We... they do want to avoid going to a Conference Committee and I would agree with Representative Leverenz."

"The question is, "Shall the House recede from Senate Amendment #... from House Amendment #9 to Senate Bill 1751?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. This is final action. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 83... 82 voting 'aye', 35 voting 'no', and none voting 'present'. And the House does recede from House Amendment #9 to Senate Bill 1751. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Senate Bill 1752. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 1752, a Bill for an Act making appropriations for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Department of Energy and Natural Resources. The Senate has nonconcurred with House Amendments #1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 8, 11, 12, 13, 14, 18, 21, and 22."

"Representative Barnes."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I move to nonconcur in House Amendments 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 8, 11, 12, 13, 14, 18, 21, 22 for all practical purposes to Senate Bill 1752 and request a Conference Committee."

"The Lady refuses to recede from all of the House Amendments that were put on Senate Bill 1752. Is there any discussion? Hearing none, the question is, 'Shall the House refuse to recede from House Amendments 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 8, 11, 12, 13, 14, 18, 21, and 22 to Senate 59  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 27, 1986 136 Legislative Day Bill 1752?" All those in favor vote "aye... all those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. And the House refuses to recede from all of the House Amendments that were adopted to Senate Bill 1752. Senate Bill... a Conference Committee will be appointed, Representative Barnes. Senate Bill 1753. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 1753, a Bill for an Act making appropriations for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Environmental Protection Agency. The Senate has nonconcurred with House Amendments #2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, and 28."

"Representative Barnes."

"Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I move to nonconcur in the Amendments to Senate Bill 1753 and request a Conference Committee."

"The Lady has moved to refuse to recede from all of the House Amendments to Senate Bill 1753. Is there any discussion? Hearing none, the question is, Shall the House refuse to recede from all of the House Amendments to Senate Bill 1753?" All those in favor say "aye', all those opposed say 'no". In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. And the House refuse to recede from House Amendments 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, and 28 to Senate Bill 1753. Senate Bill 1756. Clerk, read the Bill. And a Conference Committee, by the way, will be appointed, Representative Barnes, for Senate Bill 1753. Proceed, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 1756, a Bill for an Act making appropriations for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Department of Nat... of Nuclear... Nuclear Safety. The 60  136 Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASS EMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 27, 1986 Senate has nonconcurred with House Amendment #5."

"Representative Barnes."

"I move to recede from that Amendment to Senate Bill 1756."

"The Lady moves to recede from House Amendment 5 to Senate Bill 1756. Is there any discussion? Hearing none. the question Is, Shall the House recede from House Amendment #35 to Senate Bill 1756?" All those in favor vote aye, all those opposed vote 'no". Voting is open. This is final passage, Ladies and Gentlemen. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 114 voting 'aye', none voting 'no', and none voting 'present'. And the House does recede from House Amendment #5 to Senate Bill 1756. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Senate Bill 1758. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 1758, a Bill for an Act making appropriations for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Department of State Police. The Senate has nonconcurred with House Amendments #3 and 4."

"Representative Barnes."

"I move to recede from House Amendment #3 which involves the Toxicology Lab. And House Amendment 4 which just restores some guidelines to Senate Bill 1758."

"The Lady moves to recede from House Amendments 3 and 4 to Senate Bill 1758. Is there any discussion? Hearing none, the question is, "Shall the House recede from House Amendments 3 and 4 to Senate Bill 17587" All those in favor vote 'aye", all those opposed vote 'no". Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? This is final passage. Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 115 voting 'aye", none voting 61  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 136 Legislative Day 'no', and none voting 'present'. June 27, 1986 And the House does recede from the House Amendments on Senate Bill 1758. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Senate Bill 1759, Representative Hastert. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 1759, a Bill for an Act making appropriations for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Department of Veterans' Affairs. The Senate has nonconcurred with the House Amendment #7."

"Representative Hastert."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Senate Bill 1759 is the ordinary and contingent expenses for the Department of Veterans' Affairs. House Amendment #7 was a guideline for... to restore cuts due to Gramm-Rudman. What actually happened is those cuts never came about, so this restoration was not necessary; therefore, we move to recede from Amendment #7."

"The Gentleman moves to recede from House Amendment 7 to Senate Bill 1758 (sic 1759). And on that question, the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Leverenz."

"Will the Sponsor yield?"

"He will."

"Was that the contra-aid that we put in the budget?"

"I don't think that was contra-aid."

"Oh, thank you very much."

"There being no further discussion. The question is, 'Shall the House recede from House Amendment 7 to Senate Bill 1759?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. This is final action. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 116 voting 'aye', none voting 'no', and none voting 62  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 136 Legislative Day June 27, 1986 'present'. And the House does recede from House Amendment 7 to Senate Bill 1759. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Senate Bill 1763. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 1763, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the Capital Development Board. The Senate has nonconcurred with House Amendments #1 thru 16, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 25 thru 36, 38, 39, 40, 42 thru 48, 52, 54 thru 62, 64, 65, 66. and 67."

"Representative Barnes. Representative Barnes."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I move to nonconcur from all those Amendments for practical purposes. And I refuse to recede and request a Conference Committee."

"The Lady refuses to recede from all of the House Amendments put on Senate Bill 1763. Is there any discussion? Hearing none, the question is, 'Shall the House recede from all of the House... shall the House refuse to recede on all of the House Amendments to Senate Bill 1763?' All those in favor vote 'aye... all those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. And the House refuses to recede from the House Amendments to Senate Bill 1763. And a Conference Committee will be appointed. Senate Bill 1765. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 1765, a Bill for an Act making appropriations for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Court of Claims. The Senate has nonconcurred with House Amendment #1."

"Representative Barnes."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. I move to recede from House Amendment #1 which is a reduction of some service line items to Senate Bill 1765." 63  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 27, 1986

136 Legislative Day Speaker Breslin: "The Lady recedes... moves to recede from House Amendment 1 to Senate Bill 1765. Is there any discussion? Hearing none, the question is, 'Shall the House recede from House Amendment 1 to Senate Bill 1765?' All those in favor vote 'aye", all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. This is final action. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 110 voting 'aye', 3 voting 'no", and 1 voting present'. And the House does recede from House Amendment 1 to Senate Bill 1765. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Laurino wishes to be recorded as voting 'aye' and the record will so reflect that, Representative Laurino. Senate Bill 1770, Representative Barnes. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 1770, a Bill for an Act making appropriations for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Pollution Control Board. The Senate has nonconcurred with House Amendment #1."

"Representative Barnes."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I move to recede from House Amendment #1. And what it does, it restores some of the guidelines back to the Bureau of the Budget."

"The Lady moves to recede from House Amendment 1 to Senate Bill 1770. Is there any discussion? Hearing none, the question is, 'Shall the House recede from House Amendment #1 to Senate Bill 1770?' All those in favor vote 'aye", all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. This is final action. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 113... 114 voting 'aye", 1 voting 'no', and none voting present'. And the House does recede from 64  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASS EMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 136 Legislative Day House Amendment 1 having received the declared passed. Clerk O'Brien: to June 27, 1986 Senate Bill 1770. And this Bill, Constitutional Majority, is hereby Senate Bill 1774. Clerk, read the Bill." "Senate Bill 1774, a Bill for an Act making appropriations for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Office of the Commissioner of Savings and Loan. The Senate nonconcurred in House Amendments #1 and 3."

"Representative Barnes." "Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I refuse to recede from House Amendments #1 and 3 to Senate Bill 1774 and request a Conference Committee." from House

"The Lady moves to refuse to recede Amendments 1 and 3 to Senate Bill 1774. Is there any discussion? Hearing none. the question is, Shall the House refuse to recede from House Amendments 1 and 3 to Senate Bill 1774?" All those in favor say aye", all those opposed say 'no". In the opinion of the Chair, the *ayes" have it. And the House refuses to recede from the House Amendments adopted to Senate Bill 1774. And a Conference Committee will be appointed. Senate Bill 1778. Clerk, read the Bill." Clerk O'Brien: 1778, "Senate Bill a Bill for an Act making appropriations for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Local Governmental Law Enforcement Officers' Training Board. The Senate refused to concur in House Amendment #1."

"Representative Barnes." "Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I refuse to recede from House Amendment #1 to Senate Bill 1778 and request a Conference Committee."

"The Lady re... moves to refuse to recede from House Amendment #1 to Senate Bill 1778. Is there any discussion? Hearing none, the question is, Shall the 65  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 136 Legislative Day House refuse to June 27, 1986 recede from House Amendment #1 to Senate Bill 17787' All those in favor say "aye", all those opposed say 'no". In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. And the House refuses to recede from House Amendment 1 to Senate Bill 1778 and a Conference Committee will be appointed. Turning to page eight on your Calendar appears Senate Bill 1808, Representative Leverenz. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 1808, a Bill for an Act making appropriations to the Office of the State's Attorneys Appellate Prosecutor. The Senate refused to concur in House Amendments #1, 3, 4, and 5."

"Representative Leverenz."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. I would refuse to recede in House Amendments 1, 3, 4, and 5."

"The Gentleman moves to refuse to recede from House Amendments 1, 3, 4, and 5 to Senate Bill 1808. Is there any discussion? Hearing none, the question is, 'Shall the House refuse to recede from House Amendments 1, 3, 4, and 5 to Senate Bill 18087" All those in favor say 'aye", all those opposed say 'no". In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. And the House refuses to recede from the House Amendments to Senate Bill 1808, and a Conference Committee will be appointed. Senate Bill 1841. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 1841, a Bill for an Act making reappropriations for permanent improvements, minor capital improvements, repairs and maintenance, and related purposes. The Senate nonconcurred in House Amendments #1, 2, and 3."

"Representative Barnes."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I refuse to recede from House Amendments #1 and 3 66  136 Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 27, 1986 and request a Conference Committee."

"What are you going to do with Amendment #2, Representative Barnes? Are you going to move to concur on that?"

"Well I'll..."

"Recede rather refuse to recede..."

"I'll refuse to recede for purposes..."

"Okay."

"...of discussion."

"Okay. The Lady moves to refuse to recede from House Amendments 1, 2, and 3 to Senate Bill 1841. Is there any discussion? Hearing none, the question is, 'Shall the House refuse to recede from House Amendments 1, 2, and 3 to Senate Bill 1841?' All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. And the House refuses to recede from the House Amendments to Senate Bill 1841, and a Conference Committee will be appointed. Ladies and Gentlemen, we're going to the Order of Nonconcurrence on the nonappropriation Bills. I see some Sponsors are here. I will go through this list to see if you wish to present your Bill. We'll skip over Representative Daniels' Bill first until we find a person... You want it out of the record? We'll come back to it if you find a Sponsor. Senate Bill 1517, on Nonconcurrence, on page six on your Calendar, Representative Terzich. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 1517, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. The Senate nonconcurred in House Amendment #2."

"Representative Terzich."

"Yes, Madam Speaker, I'd like to refuse to recede from House Amendment #2 and ask for a Conference Committee."

"The Gentleman moves to refuse to recede from 67  136 Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 27, 1986 House Amendment #2 to Senate Bill 1517. And on that question, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Piel."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Will the Gentleman yield, please?"

"He indicates he will."

"Yes."

"Correct me if I'm wrong, Representative, but didn't we have this same Motion yesterday?"

"Yes, we did."

"Pardon me?"

"Yes."

"What was the outcome on that vote... well obviously, It was defeated, correct?"

"I haven't figured it out yet."

"Hold on for one second."

"Representative Piel."

"I think... I just talked to Representative Parke. I think we've got everything worked out, and I would ask for a favorable vote on this Motion."

"The question is, 'Shall the House refuse to recede from House Amendment #2 to Senate Bill 1517?' All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. And the House refuses to recede from House Amendment #2 to Senate Bill 1517, and a Conference Committee will be appointed."

"Thank you. If Representative Piel figured it out, I wish he'd let me know about it."

"Senate Bill 1565, Representative O'Connell. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 1565, a Bill for an Act to amend the Unified Code of Corrections. The Senate refused to concur In House Amendments #1, 3, and 4." 68  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE

136 Legislative Day Speaker Breslin: "Representative O'Connell. June 27, 1986 Representative O'Connell."

"Madam Speaker. I would refuse to recede and request that a Conference Committee be appointed."

"Representative O'Connell moves that the House refuse to recede from House Amendments 1, 3, and 4 to Senate Bill 1565. Is there any discussion? Hearing none, the question is, "Shall the House refuse to recede from House Amendments 1, 3, and 4 to Senate Bill 1565?" All those in favor say 'aye", all those opposed say "no". In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. And the House refuses to recede from the House Amendments on Senate Bill 1565. Senate Bill 1709, Representative Representative Keane. Senate Bill 2018. Out of the record. Senate... Senate Bill 2108, Representative McPike. Out of the record. Representative Keane, for what reason do you rise?"

"Yes. Thank you, Madam Speaker. If you are looking for something..."

"Excuse me.

"Thank you, Madam Representative Keane." Speaker. If you wish... looking for something to do, I would like to go to Senate Bill 1709, on Nonconcurrence, page six. Nonconcurrence. Would that be appropriate at this time?"

"Yes, we have called that Bill twice already today. On the Order of Nonconcurrence, Ladies and Gentlemen, on page six of your Calendar. Does the Gentleman have leave? Hearing no objection, he has leave. We'll call Senate Bill 1709. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 1709, a Bill for an Act relating to certain taxes. The Senate nonconcurred in House Amendments #1, 2, 3, and 4."

"Representative Keane." 69  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 136 Legislative Day June 27, 1986

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. I refuse to recede from House Amendments 1, 2, 3, and 4 and would ask for a Conference Committee to be appointed. I have discussed this with the Minority Spokesman on Revenue."

"The Gentleman moves to refuse to recede from House Amendments 1, 2, 3, and 4 to Senate Bill 1709. Is there any discussion? Hearing none, the question is, 'Shall the House refuse to recede from the House Amendments to Senate Bill 1709?" All those in favor say 'aye, all those opposed say 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. And the House refuses to recede from House Amendments 1, 2, 3, and 4 to Senate Bill 1709, and a Conference Committee will be appointed. Leave of the Body, Ladies and Gentlemen, we'll go to the Order of Speaker's Table, SJR 101, on page nine on the Calendar. Clerk, read the Resolution."

"Senate Joint Resolution 101, creates the Council on the Revision of the Illinois Constitution under the auspices of the Joint Committee on Legislative Support Services to help advise the General Assembly and the public on constitutional issues. Rules Committee recommends be adopted."

"Representative Cullerton."

"Yes, Madam Speaker, I believe there is an Amendment to this..."

"Is there an Amendment filed, Representative Clerk... Mr. Clerk?"

"Floor Amendment #1, offered by Representative Cullerton."

"Representative Cullerton, on Amendment #1."

"Yes, thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. The Resolution created the Council on the Revision of the Illinois Constitution. The Amendment 70  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 136 Legislative Day June 27, 1986 provides, instead, for the creation of a Committee of 50 to Re-examine the Illinois Constitution. The difference between the Amendment and the original Resolution as it passed the Senate is that it's a Committee of 50 to re-examine the Constitution as opposed to a Council on the Revision of the Illinois Constitution. We want to emphasize in this change that it may be the Committee may decide that there shall be no changes to the Illinois Constitution, and so, in reflecting that we just changed the word 're-examine' to the Council on the Revision. I'm sorry, the opposite, the Committee of 50 to Re-examine rather than the Council of... on the Revision. So, I'd move for the adoption of the Amendment."

"Representative Cullerton moves for the adoption of Amendment #1 to SJR 101. And on that question, the Gentleman from DeKalb, Representative Countryman."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Will the Gentleman yield?"

"He indicates he will."

"Representative Cullerton, I noticed that the Board of Regents is appointed to serve as kind of the staff for this Council. Is that correct?"

"I think that that is not covered in the Amendment. I think that's in the original Joint Resolution. So, if you wish to address that when we vote on the Resolution, I'd be happy to answer it. My understanding is that the Illinois Commission on Intergovernmental Cooperation shall provide the Council with appropriate staff."

"So, the Amendment would not change that fact, is that correct?"

"Let me tell you what the Amendment does. It calls for the Joint Committee on Legislative Support Services to appoint a Steering Committee of twelve members from the 71  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 136 Legislative Day June 27, 1986 Committee of 50 to supervise and coordinate activities of the Commission on Intergovernmental Cooperation, and the Regency University System in administering the function set forth in the Resolution."

"So, the Amendment does mention the Regency University System?"

"Right. The original Bill said that the Illinois Commissioner on Intergovernmental Cooperation shall provide the Council with appropriate staff. The Amendment, which moves the numbers of people on the Committee from 20 up to 50 and whose purpose is to involve more people at the educational level in the Committee. We add that the Regency University System will assist the Commission on Intergovernmental Cooperation in administering the function set forth."

"Well, will this require staff time and necessary appropriations to this unit to the Regency University System to handle this?"

"No, the money to administer this is about $63,000, which is in the budget of the Commission on Intergovernmental Cooperation. So, the money for the staff will come from the Inter... their budget."

"And what will they do then, make a grant or a contract with the Regency Universities?"

"I don't think that there is any agreement on that. The point of the Amendment was just because we're going to be adding people from the educational community, the thought was to bring in the Regency University System in assisting in the administration. I imagine there could be... Since the Commission is called the Intergovernmental Cooperation Commission, it would make since if they would cooperate intergovernmentally with the Regency University System in some fashion." 72  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 136 Legislative Day June 27, 1986

"So then, under the Amendment, there would be this Steering Committee of 12, and the Council would go from 20 to 50?"

"That's correct."

"What was the reason for bringing the Council from 20 to 50?"

"We wanted to involve former members of the 1970 Con-Con Convention more closely. People like, Dwight Friedrich, Mike Madigan... Who are some of the other members then? Harlem Rigney, if he's still alive."

"Well, you know, my... my..."

"So, that was the first point, and then the second point was to bring people from the educational level, some of the fine educators out in northern Illinois at the university system out there, to bring their expertise into this discussion."

"Well, I certainly wouldn't want to exclude some of those fine people, but I... I think going from 20 to 50 makes a... a big jump, and then, you have the Steering Committee..."

"It's approx... that's approximately 30 new people."

"Right, but then you have the Steering Committee so you need something smaller or more workable, like a board of directors to govern it."

"Yes, can you imagine what would happen if the 20 people sat down, and they didn't have any Steering Committee? There probably wouldn't... and then if you have a lot of educators there, nothing would get done. So, this way you get 50 people who can put it on their resume, but you have 12 people who are the Steering Committee."

"Well, if those 12 people were Legislators, maybe nothing would get done."

"Well, take for example, our Conference Committees we 73  136 Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 27, 1986 get a lot done in Conference Committees, and they have 10 Legislators on there."

"Alright, I don't have any further questions. Thank you."

"The Gentleman from McLean, Representative Ropp."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. I have a point of order or parliamentary procedure. I guess I question - how in the world does this particular item get on the Speaker's Table without going to Committee? Isn't it the normal procedure for the Rules Committee to approve an item and then direct it to a Committee? Does... does the Rules Committee have the authority just to put it on the Speaker's Table and recommend 'do adopt'?"

"I don't know the history of this particular Resolution, but I will certainly find out and get back to you, Representative Ropp."

"Well, it makes a lot of difference as to whether or not we should even be discussing this if, in fact, it's out of order and should have been assigned to a Committee."

"I don't think it's out of order, but I will get back to you, and we'll continue the discussion. The Gentleman from Lake, Representative Churchill."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Will the Gentleman yield?"

"He will."

"Representative Cullerton, this is a Council that will act as a voluntary organization?"

"Absolutely, there will be no draft of people."

"Then, will..."

"They won't be forced by law to be on this Committee. They will have to volunteer."

"Then will they receive any reimbursement for expenses or any salary?" 74  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE

136 Legislative Day Cullerton: "No salary. There probably would be travel reimbursement. I can check the Resolution. The Resolution says that the Illinois Commission on Intergovernmental Cooperation is the one that will provide the staff, secretarial, logistic services for the performance of the duties. It doesn't authorize any salary or any travel even."

"So, is it your position that if this passes that the Resolution does not authorize any money to go to the participants in this voluntary organization?"

"The... the money that goes to the Intergovernmental Cooperation Commission may be authorized to reimburse people for travel. But the Amendment is silent on that issue. It only talks about giving money to the Commission."

"Why do we have to set up a Council for something that's going to be voluntary? I mean, if it's voluntary, why don't they voluntarily just come together and do it of there own accord?"

"Well, you have to have some structure to get the Council in order. I mean, you don't just put a call out to a press release and anybody whot wants to show up in Springfield to give their views. That may be the case. There may be public testimony taken, but you have to have actually somebody on the Council who has some expertise in the area."

"But... but someone such as yourself could start a small group and then you could put public announcements in the paper and say this is a voluntary organization, that you're spear heading it and set some definite times and the parties could come together on a voluntary basis with no expense to the state. And you could do that completely voluntary. You would not have to form this Council. I 75  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 136 Legislative Day June 27, 1986 think it would be a great thing for you to take the lead on that."

"Well, thank you."

"Let me ask you this, is... is this Council something like the House Subcommittee on the Insurance Crisis?"

"The House Subcommittee, no. The House Subcommittee was composed of House Members. And we had a... we allowed a... I think an 18 year old kid from the Republican staff was allowed to sit in, but this is much different. This sets up a voluntary organization composed of the Governor, the President of the 1970 Constitutional Convention, scholars, educators, government officials at the various levels of government, legal experts, and public opinion leaders, and they will be here to help advise the General Assembly, along with educators, school children, and I think it's much different than the House Subcommittee on Insurance."

"Hell... will each of the members of this Council have the same amount of impact on the final decision that the Members of the House Subcommittee on Insurance Crisis had?"

"Well, the Members of the House Subcommittee on the Insurance Crisis had a lot of input, and I'm sure these people will too."

"Thank you."

"Is there any further discussion? Hearing none, Representative Ropp. Representative Ropp. Representative Ropp, I have an answer to your question. Refer to House Rules on Committees, Rule 14. you will see that there is a special provision that all Special House or Joint... Bills which create a Special House or Joint Committee must be assigned to the Rules Committee. And for that purpose, they are to... the rules operate as they set standing substantive Committee to consider that Bill in particular. 76  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 136 Legislative Day June 27, 1986 That's Rule 14, Subsection A(1) and B. Okay? Representative Klemm."

"A parliamentary inquiry?"

"State your inquiry."

"Well if we look at Subsection 14, Subsection A, (1), (2) and (3), those are the three distinct classifications that the Bill or Resolution would go to the Rules Committee. And the first one says a Special House or Joint Committee, which this is not creating. Secondly, it says a Legislative Commission or Board. We specifically enumerate Committee... I mean, excuse me, Commission or Board and it must be legislative, and the third was directing a legislative study. The Resolution creates a Council or suggests a Council be created, not a Committee, not a Board, not a Commission, not to conduct a study, not to do anything or be part of any part of the makeup that is called for under the ruling of 14 A or B. And therefore, it really is not proper for the Rules Committee to avoid going through a Rules of... or Committee of Assignment."

"Representative, we consider this Resolution to be in the nature of a Legislative Commission. And we have ruled that it is a Special Joint Committee."

"Alright. So... So even though it's enumerated when it was clear to the House, it's the Chair's liberal interpretation that we can include anything and everything really that hasn't been enumerated in here?"

"Well, not anything and everything, but it certainly is creating a Special Joint Committee for... it's certainly for a specific purpose that's very special, highly specialized and it is a Joint Committee."

"Thank you very much."

"So following those rules, it went to the Rules Committee and was reported out and recommended be 77  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 136 Legislative Day adopted". June 27, 1986 Representative Frederick, on the Amendment. Representative Frederick."

"Madam Speaker, would the Sponsor yield, please, for a question?"

"Representative Cullerton will yield for a question."

"Representative Cullerton, could you tell me was there such a preliminary council prior to the last convening of the Illinois Constitutional Convention?"

"I was only about 12 years old then, and I..."

"Well, I thought perhaps you might have a staff report on that."

"Yeah, I know... maybe Dwight knows. He was there and the Speaker was there, and he's not here now. I think Dwight was a little older than me then. Dwight might remember, I don't know."

"Okay."

"But they put in there that every 20 years..."

"Yeah, I know. Was there... was there any academic community input before the last Convention?"

"After reading the Constitution, I would say apparently not."

"No. Could you... could you tell me is it hoped that at this Constitutional Convention we will totally rewrite the Constitution as we did before?"

"No. That's why I want Representative Friedrich to distinguish, hopefully, between the Amendment and the final vote on the Resolution, because the Amendment changes the wording so as to create a Committee to Re-examine as opposed to Revise the Constitution. The way the... the way the Resolution reads now, before this Amendment is adopted, it said... it says that the Council should revise the Illinois Constitution. Now, let's say we... we don't plan 78  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 136 Legislative Day to make any June 27, 1986 changes at all, then that word 'revise' would be deceptive. So we're saying, re-examine. And then maybe leave it the way it is. So, that's why I would think that you'd be in support of... if you wanted the Constitution to stay the way it is, you'd be in support of this Amendment. If you don't think we should have a Committee to examine Frederick: it, then... then you'd vote against the Joint Resolution." "Well, based on my recollection of the last Convention, it seems to me this is a good idea, because as I recall, the delegates spent a great deal of time doing the preliminary work that could have been done before, and so, I really support this Resolution."

"Okay, well this is just the Amendment at this point, but I'd appreciate your support for the Amendment too."

"There being no further discussion. The question is, 'Shall Amendment #1 to Senate Joint Resolution 101 be adopted?' All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. And the Amendment is adopted. Are there any further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Representative Cullerton, now to present Senate Joint Resolution 101."

"Yes, thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. If you were to pick up the copy of your Constitution, Article 14, Section 1(B) states that if the question of whether a Convention should be called is not submitted during any 20 year period, the Secretary of State shall submit such question at the general election in the 20th year following the last submission. And so, since that time is coming up, the purpose of this Joint Resolution then is to convene a Committee of 50 to Re-examine the Illinois Constitution. As indicated in 79  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 136 Legislative Day June 27, 1986 debate, it will consist of the Governor, the President of the last Convention, and numerous of scholars, educators, government officials. The... they would also... the Committee of 50 reconvene all members of the 1970 Constitutional Convention in Springfield at the Historic Old State Capitol for the purpose of assessing the success of the 1970 Constitution in securing the rights of the people of the State of Illinois. So, that will be nice. We'll have all the people that were at the old Convention can come back and talk about what a good job they did or maybe parts that they don't like. For example, Representative Madigan might come back and say, "You know, the biggest mistake we ever made was giving that Governor the power of the amendatory veto." That might be what he would... might want to say at this meeting. So, then they will meet as necessary over the period from the date of passage of this Resolution through December of 1990. They will prepare a public report with recommendations that will deal with the structure and the operation of government, the role of the General Assembly, federal, state and local government relations, elections, taxes and spending, et cetera. The... they will have open forums of meetings that will be held in various parts of the state for discussion from all of the citizens. And the... as I indicated before, the Illinois Commission on Intergovernmental Cooperation and the Regency University Systems would provide the Committee with staff. An appropriation is in the Illinois Commission on Intergovernmental Cooperation for about 62... $63,000. There would be a Steering Committee of 12 members from the Committee on 50 to supervise and coordinate the activities of the Commission on Intergovernmental Cooperation and the Regency System in administering the functions of the Resolution. And then, 80  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 136 Legislative Day June 27, 1986 finally, the Committee of 50 will report its findings to the General Assembly and the Governor and the Supreme Court no later than January of 1990. I would be happy to answer any questions. And I would appreciate your support for this Senate Joint Resolution."

"The Gentleman moves for the adoption of Senate Joint Resolution 101. And on that question, the Gentleman from Marion, Representative Friedrich."

"Well, Madam Speaker, Members of the House, with all respect to the Sponsor, I think this... what he is proposing here is an exercise in futility. You're going to appoint a bunch of people to run around and hold hearings and so on. They have no authority to do anything. The Lord knows who will end up being the 50 people. But regardless of what they do, there will be a call, a proposal to call a Convention on the ballot. The Secretary of State has to do it at the 20 year cycle. I would tell you, in my opinion, this Constitution is under constant study by the Members of this House and the Senate, the people in government at all levels and I don't think you'll ever get a consensus out of 50 people, even if you did. they couldn't do anything about it. So I... it's just another one of these things, people running around holding hearings, spending your money and I don't think it's any good."

"The Lady from Marshall, Representative Koehler, on the Resolution."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Would the Sponsor please yield for a question?"

"He will."

"Representative Cullerton, you say that this is a Commission that would be created of about 50 individuals 81  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 136 Legislative Day that would correct?" Cullerton: June 27, 1986 hold hearings throughout the state, is that "No, let me correct you. We are... it's called a Committee and it's not about 50, it's exactly 50. not a Commission, it's a Committee. Koehler: it's exactly 50." "Thank you recommendations... And So, it's It's not about 50, very much. would these the recommendations would be formulated from the testimony of citizens who would give their views as to the changes that should be made in the Constitution or things that they felt should be retained in the Constitution?"

"Yes, one of the resolved paragraphs says that, That periodic symposia, open forums and meetings be held by the Committee in various areas of the state for government and public opinion leaders to discuss the questions.. That's in the Resolution." Koehler: constitutional "Well, as Representative Friedrich pointed out, it is... the people of Illinois will have an opportunity to vote in 1978, excuse me, 1988, as to whether or not they want to call a Constitutional Convention. What is the purpose of this Committee as it relates to that vote?"

"Well, the purpose would be to inform the... with a inform the public who are voting on that issue Whether they think there shall be the need for a report, what... to Constitutional Convention. They... and specifically, potential changes... if they make... if they decide to make any changes, what those changes might be. I'll give you an analogy. When we pass a change in the Constitution, we vote on it as you know, in the General Assembly, then it goes on the ballot. Right now, we are preparing arguments both for and against the change in the Constitution. in the House, do that, the House and the We. Senate. And we 82  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 136 Legislative Day June 27, 1986 have sent out to every registered voter, a... you may recall this from previous constitutional changes, arguments both for and against. They're formulated by a Committee set up of Members of the House and the Senate. And the purpose of that is to inform voters as to why they should or should not vote for the constitutional change. Likewise, you're going to have on the ballot as per the Constitution, a... a question submitted at the general election in the 20th year following the last submission. And it's going to be on the ballot, and the Convention shall be called if three-fifths of those voting on the question. or a majority of those voting in the election approve it. So, I would think that it would make sense to have some input... some... some... some information gathered from throughout the state SO as to inform the public whether or not they should vote for or against the calling of a new Convention."

"Well, thank you, Representative Cullerton. And, Madam Speaker, I rise in support of this Resolution. I think there are very important questions that the citizens of Illinois should have a opportunity to discuss with regard to creating another Constitutional Convention. I can certainly think of two very important issues that people throughout Illinois have been deeply concerned about. The first one is the matter of redistricting and the fact that during the last redistricting plan that was drawn by the Democrats, there very definitely was political gerrymandering, not only in Central Illinois where I won a Supreme Court battle in which the Supreme Court stated unanimously that my district was unconstitutional with regard to compactness and redrew my district. And in the Chicago area, there very definitely were severe violations of citizens' rights in the redistricting plan. And I think 83  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 136 Legislative Day June 27, 1986 that it is important that we discuss the opportunity to create a constitutional mandate that redistricting be done in a fair and impartial manner that does not trample upon the rights of the citizens of Illinois. Furthermore, last night, we discussed another very important issue, and that is the issue of the Compensation Review Board, and I predict that if that Board is allowed to stand and operate as it has done in the past, that the citizens of Illinois will want an opportunity to say that we no longer want a Compensation Review Board. That is a threat to representative government and certainly to accountability that is a part of the entire representative system of the State of Illinois and our democracy. So, I stand in support of this Resolution, and I certainly hope the Sponsor of this Resolution will listen to the people of Illinois as they express their dismay. Thank you."

"The Gentleman from Lee, Representative Olson."

"Would the Sponsor yield?"

"He wil1."

"Representative Cullerton, in your reference to the esteemed Member of the Senate, Senator Harlan Rigney of the 35th..."

"Yes, Sir."

"...it is my extreme pleasure to inform you, Sir, that today is his birthday, now...."

"You mean, it would be his birthday?"

"He is... he is either 93 ог 53, debating on whom you speak to, and his wife is yet to be heard from."

"You mean, it would be his birthday, or it actually is his birthday?"

"It... it is alleged to be his birthday."

"I see. So, it's good to know that he's still alive."

"That is an allegation." 84  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 136 Legislative Day

June 27, 1986 "And according to this Resolution he will get to go to Springfield to reconvene with all of his colleagues from the 1970 Constitutional Convention."

"His... his elderly colleagues."

"By that time."

"Thank you, Sir."

"Representative Cullerton, to close."

"Yes, first of all, I would like to thank Representative Koehler for her support. I certainly appreciated the... I believe the fifth speech against the pay raise that we've had in the last couple of days, as well as her willingness to support a Resolution that calls for the expenditure of $63,000. I think that it is a very worthwhile Committee that would be set up. I think it would be best... able to give some input and some advice to the people of the State, who will be called upon by the Secretary of State pursuant to the Constitution who will submit this question to the voters. So, I would appreciate an 'aye' vote on this important Senate Joint Resolution."

"Representative Cullerton has moved for the adoption of Senate Joint Resolution 101. All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Representative Koehler, you spoke in debate, for what reason do you rise?"

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. But my name was mentioned in debate, and so, on a point of personal privilege. I would like to tell Representative Cullerton that $63,000 expended in trying to protect the rights of the 11,000,000 citizens of the State of Illinois against the political gerrymandering that went on with the Democrats in 1981 is certainly dollars well spent. And I'm glad to support it."

"Have all voted who wish? Representative Leverenz, one minute to explain your vote." 85  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE

136 Legislative Day Leverenz: "She did stand up, but did she get your June 27, 1986 approval to talk? There are no TV cameras here today. We don't need this."

"I asked the Lady for what reason she rose, and she told us."

"Oh."

"I would suggest that no one use other Members' names in debate, and then, we won't have these controversies in the future."

"Well, I know how to refer to those on the other side of the aisle. I don't even have to use their names."

"Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 98 voting 'aye', 17 voting 'no', and none voting 'present'. And the House does adopt Senate Joint Resolution 101. Representative Pangle, for what reason do you rise?"

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. I just wanted to announce to the rest of the House today that our good friend and my seatmate, Sam Panayotovich, is having his 40th birthday, and we're all pleased with that. We have his new wife's favorite hazel nut cake that everybody enjoyed last year. And we appreciate the former Representative and now the Secretary of State coming over to help celebrate Sam's birthday. And everyone's welcome to come over."

"Very good. And now we know that Representative Panayotovich and Senator Rigney have something in common. Happy birthday. Representative... former Representative and Member of the House, Secretary Edgar is recognized on the Democratic side of the aisle. Welcome. Representative Panayotovich, for what reason do you rise?"

"I'd just like to invite everybody over for a piece of hazel nut birthday cake. "Buy American' birthday cake, Gordy Ropp." 86  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 136 Legislative Day June 27, 1986

"Representative Ropp, there was no debate. Your name was not used in debate. The Gentleman rose on a point of personal privilege and stated his point. Do you have a response to that? Come on, let's see how quick you can think on your feet."

"Well, thank you, Madam Speaker. It's always a pleasure to respond to you, but particularly to wish the good Representative from the Chicago area a happy birthday, and I always wanted to wish him best wishes in his new business venture as an attempt to develop economic development in the State of Illinois and certainly here in Springfield and commend him for that, and we'll be over to get several pieces of cake and I'm sure that part of it may have come from Canadian wheat, maybe."

"Ladies and Gentlemen, we will go to the orders of those Resolutions on the Speaker's Table. Starting on page eight on your Calendar, the first Resolution is House Resolution 638, Representative Bowman. Out of the record. House Resolution 665, Representative Madigan. Is anyone authorized to present this for Representative Madigan? Out of the record. House Resolution 124... House Resolution 1164, Representative Hallock. Representative Hallock."

"Yes, Madam Speaker, this Resolution which requests that we recycle our paper is waiting for an Amendment on more paper. And so, we'll withdraw it at this time until we get that prepared."

"Okay, we'll take it out of the record. Representative Giorgi. Is Representative Giorgi on the floor? Very good. We're going to go back now with leave of the Body to House Resolution 1124. 1124. It urges the U. S. Congress to disapprove the sale of Conrail. Mr. Clerk, read the Resolution."

"House Resolution 1124, urges the U.S. Congress to 87  136 Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 27, 1986 disapprove the sale of Conrail to Norfolk Southern. Transportation and Motor Vehicles recommends be adopted*."

"Representative Ronan, would you mind if we take this out of the record for the moment and go on until we can get back to it? Okay. The House... next one on the... this Order is House Joint Resolution 92, Representative Madigan. Is anyone authorized to present this for Speaker Madigan? Out of the record. House Joint Resolution 122, Representative Curran. The Gentleman is not in the chamber. We'll come back to it with leave of the Body. House Joint Resolution 127, Representative Preston. Mr. Clerk, read the Resolution."

"House Joint Resolution 127 urges the adoption of a policy of 'vertical prosecution' by the State's Attorney. Judiciary II Committee recommends 'be adopted'."

"Representative Preston."

"Excuse me, Madam Speaker, Madam... Madam Speaker, this is a Motion to take from the Speaker's Table or to adopt HJR 127?"

"It's a Motion to adopt the Resolution."

"Okay. Well, I do so move to adopt HJR 127 which is a Resolution that ask the prosecutors... the state's attorneys, in each of Illinois 102 counties to have what is called 'vertical prosecution' of child abuse cases. 'Vertical prosecution' is where and when possible a single prosecutor is assigned to the case from the time of the intake interview until the time of trial. The reason for this Resolution is so that a child need not have to tell and retell the intimate details of the sexual assault to under... unfortunately.... unfortunate current procedure up to some six or eight different prosecutors. The result is that children who are sex abuse victims cannot undergo that additional trauma and cannot go through the prosecutorial 88  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 136 Legislative Day June 27, 1986 process. When that happens, the... the offender goes free. And I'd ask for your 'aye' vote to adopt this Resolution?"

"The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of House Joint Resolution 127. And on that question, is there any discussion? Hearing none, the question is, 'Shall the House adopt House Joint Resolution 127?' All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say "no". In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. And House Joint Resolution 127 is adopted. House Joint Resolution 164, Representative Pedersen. Clerk, read... Clerk, read the Resolution."

"House Joint Resolution 164 warns U. S. Congress to beware Russian... of Russ... of Russian threat and to adopt a National Strategy of Peace Through Strength. Executive Committee recommends 'be adopted'."

"Representative Pedersen."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This is just a... the usual kind of Peace Through Strength Resolution that the Veterans' Organization have asked us to approve. And I just recommend that we pass it."

"The Gentleman has moved that the House adopt House Joint Resolution 164. And on that question, Representative Cullerton."

"Yes, will the Sponsor yield?"

"He indicates he will."

"Thank you. Representative, I don't have... I can't find my file on this Resolution. If it's not too long, could you read it in its entirety?"

"It's a couple of pages. Do you want me to read it?"

"Well, maybe you can get down to the... Does it have a lot of 'whereas's'?"

"Yeah."

"Does it have any resolves?" 89  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE

136 Legislative Day Pedersen: "Yes."

"Why don't you read the resolves?" June 27, 1986

"Resolved, by the House of Representatives of the 84th General Assembly of State of Illinois, that the Senate concurring hearin, that we urge the Congress of the United States to adopt a National Strategy of Peace Through Strength the general principles of which would be: (1) to inspire, focus, and unite the national will and determination to achieve this goal of peace through freedom; (2) to achieve overall military and technological superiority over the Soviet Union; (3) to create a strategic defense and a civil defense which would protect the United States citizens against nuclear war at least as well as the Soviets defend their citizens; (4) to accept no arms control agreement which, in any way, jeopardizes the security of the United States or its allies, or locks the United States into a position of military inferiority; (5) to re-establish effective security and intelligence capabilities; (6) to pursue positive non-military means to roll back the growth of communism; (7) to help our..."

"Mr.... Madam Speaker."

"Representative Cullerton."

"If... if the Gentleman wouldn't mind, I wonder if I could just... if you just give me some time to find a copy of the Resolution, we can come back to it. I..."

"I have a copy here, if you would like it?"

"If you could take it out of the record just for a second until I get a copy of it."

"Okay."

"Out of the record. House Joint Resolution 171, Representative Pangle. Out of the record. Representative Kulas, with leave of the Body, we'll go back to House Resolution 665 and ask you to present it on behalf of 90  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 136 Legislative Day June 27, 1986 Speaker Madigan. House Resolution 665. Read the Resolution, Mr. Clerk"

"House Resolution 665..."

"Thank you, Madam ... Thank you, Madam Speaker. House Resolution 665, offered by Representative Madigan, urges the United States Congress either to strengthen the federal right-to-know regulations or to permit individual states to impose stricter laws as they see fit. And I would move for its adoption."

"Representative Kulas moves for the adoption of House Resolution 665. And on that question, the Lady from Marshall, Representative Koehler."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Would Representative Kulas please yield for a question?"

"He will."

"Representative Kulas, I understand from this... from... that you are introducing this Resolution that would strengthen the federal right-to-know regulations or to permit individual states to improve stricter laws than the federal rules and regulations. Is that correct?"

"It urges the Congress to do so. Yes, Ma'am."

"Well, Representative Kulas, why would you want the State of Illinois to enact stricter guidelines than what the Federal Government is considering right now?"

"Well, I'll tell you why, Representative Koehler. Last week in my district, there was a fire in a chemical plant. This fire brought to light that this chemical plant had been there for six months. It had a previous fire. The U.S. EPA, the City of Chicago knew about the dangerous chemicals that were in this plant, but none of the residents. This is in a residential area. None of the residents knew that there were chemicals in this plant. 91  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 136 Legislative Day June 27, 1986 There were children living there. There are families living there, and that's why I'm asking that these... that Congress do something about... to strengthen these laws or allow the states to do so."

"Well, Representative Kulas, I can certainly empathize with your concern, and as you well know, we, here in the General Assembly, have passed legislation last year that... that dealt with the problem of community right-to-know in allowing individuals to know what is happening within their own area. However, I fail to see where this Resolution would, in effect, be an improvement over what we are doing right here in the State of Illinois. I... If I remember correctly, your side of the aisle, you and Representative Madigan had a piece of legislation that actually dealt with the issue of community right-to-know, but yet, you failed to call it for a vote on the House floor, even though it did get out onto the House floor. So, I think that it is surprising that your commitment to this issue is just now showing up in the form of a Resolution that really is non-binding. It is only advisory in nature. And so, I would not support this legislation; however, I certainly do empathize with the concern of those individuals who are dealing with this issue. However, I think the right way to approach that is through legislation that deals with response plans such as the response plans that we worked out in legislation last year and also deals with the issue right here in the State of Illinois where we better know what is important for us. The federal people are certainly working on the issue of community right-to-know, and for us to enact legislation or to pass this Resolution in this manner, I think, is inappropriate, and I would... I would not support this Resolution."

"Is there any further discussion? Hearing none, 92  136 Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 27, 1986 Representative Kulas to close."

"Thank you. Madam Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This is a simple Resolution, and all we are asking... It's unfortunate. but a lot of times, our Congressmen and our Senators, once they get to Washington, they forget about what's going on. They're so busy with so many other things that once in a while they have to be reminded. And all we are doing then, here in this Resolution, is urging them to do something in this area, an area which concerns the health and welfare of the... of the people of the State of Illinois, and I would ask for the adoption of the Resolution."

"The question is, Shall the House adopt House Resolution 665?" All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no". Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? The Gentleman from Will, Representative Davis, one minute to explain your vote."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. I rise to explain my "yes" vote simply because some people may think that's peculiar. I can tell you the Federal Government right now is marking up a Bill in Conference Committee that will provide stricter regulations than Senate Bill... or House Bill 2117 or last year House Bill 300, that the Speaker was trying to enact in Illinois, much tougher standards than those, and that Bill will pass the United States Congress and it will be the law of the land. So this Resolution just effectively urges them to get on about the business in that Conference Committee, and that will be the Uniform Federal Community Right-to-Know Bill that, frankly, is much tougher. In my discussions with the petro-chemical industries and people like that, they know it's coming. They've had their input into it, and that's going to happen. So, while this seems to be a meaningless 93  136 Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 27, 1986 Resolution. I think we should urge Congress to do exactly that, and a 'yes' vote probably is a very good vote."

"Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 95 voting 'aye', 19 voting 'no', and none voting 'present', and the House does adopt House Resolution 665. Representative Pangle. Representative Pangle's Bill is now ready. With leave of the Body, we'll go to House Joint Resolution 171, Representative Pangle."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker."

"Excuse me. Clerk... "

"House Joint Resolution 171 deals with the problem of notch babies. Those are the folks that were born between the years of 1916 and 1921. There was a flaw in an Amendment that was added in 1972 to change the formula of compensation, and it has lowered the amount of money that, in fact, people that were born between those years now receive. This Resolution has asked Congress to change that formula."

"Representative Pangle has moved for the adoption of House Joint Resolution 171. And on that question, is there any discussion? Hearing none, the question is, 'Shall House Joint Resolution 171 be adopted?' All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and House Joint Resolution 171 is adopted. With leave of the Body, I would like now to go to Senate Joint Resolution 23 for Representative Piel. Representative Piel."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Senate Joint Resolution 23 is put in on behalf of the veterans groups in Illinois, and basically what it does, it urges Congress to re-enact May 30th as Memorial Day. And that's all it does."

"Representative Piel, did you move for the 94  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 136 Legislative Day adoption of the Resolution?" June 27, 1986

"Yes, I would move for the adoption of Senate Joint Resolution #23."

"The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of Senate Joint Resolution 23. And on that question, is there any discussion? This Resolution re-establishes May 30th to be observed as Memorial Day. Is there any discussion? The Lady from Lake, Representative Stern."

"Madam Speaker, and... may I ask the Gentleman a question? Will the Gentleman yield?"

"Yes."

"He will yield."

"Representative, I apparently wasn't paying enough attention. Does this change the date in Illinois, or does this urge the Congress to change the date?"

"It urges Congress to re-establish May 30th. As you know, it's about 10 years ago they went to... "

"I remember."

"... The fourth Monday in the month, and this... we had Memorial Day as May 30th for over 110 years, and this basically asks to re-enact May 30th."

"I would drink to your Motion, Sir."

"Thank you."

"Is there any further discussion? Hearing none, the question is, 'Shall House... Shall Senate Joint Resolution 23 be adopted?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 109 voting 'aye', 6 voting 'no', and 1 voting 'present', and the House does adopt Senate Joint Resolution 23. Representative Shaw is recognized on a Motion."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Yes, having voted on the 95  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 136 Legislative Day June 27, 1986 prevailing side, I would make a Motion that we consider the way the vote was taken on Senate Bill 2157."

Speaker Breslin: "Representative Shaw, the first thing you have to do is move to suspend Rule 73(a) to allow for immediate consideration of the Motion to reconsider the vote by which the... N

"I so move." Speaker Breslin: to "Representative Shaw moves to suspend Rule 73(a) allow immediate consideration of a Motion to reconsider the vote by which Senate Bill 2157 lost. This Motion All those in favor... Is there any requires 60 votes. discussion on that question? The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Piel."

"Nevermind, Madam Speaker."

Speaker Breslin: "Any further discussion? Hearing none, the question is, Shall the House suspend Rule 73(a) to allow for immediate consideration of Representative Shaw's Motion to reconsider the vote by which Senate Bill 2157 lost?" All those in favor vote 'aye", all those opposed vote 'no". Representative Voting is open. The Gentleman from Will, Van Duyne, one minute to explain your vote."

"Yes, Madam Speaker, this... I just want to recall to all the Members on the House floor that the Motion that the Gentleman is presenting now has a direct effect on Senate Bill 2157 which we... was resoundingly defeated on this House floor just a couple of days ago. And if they pass his Motion to reconsider, they're going to all be forced again to vote on that Bill all over again, and that's the Bill that would have allowed the county boards to impose a 10 percent surcharge strictly for the circuit clerk's office added to the fine. Now, I went... we went through that before. The Bill was resoundingly defeated, and if you pass this... his Motion to reconsider the vote, why 96  136 Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 27, 1986 you're going to have to do this all over again, so naturally, I would... I would ask for a 'no' vote."

"Representative Piel, one minute to explain your vote."

"Just to explain, Madam Speaker, that it's my understanding that this is agreed by both sides of the aisle, and I would ask for a 'yes' vote on this."

"Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this... excuse me. Representative Tate, did you wish to explain your vote?"

"If this receives the requisite number of votes, I'm going to verify it."

"Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 75 voting 'aye", 35 voting 'no", and 1 voting *present". 60 votes are required for adoption. Do you persist in your request for a verification, Mr. Tate? You are within your rights, Sir. What do you wish?"

"Okay. Madam Speaker, my arm just changed directions, and I withdraw from the verification."

"The Gentleman withdraws the request for the verification. On this question, there are 75 voting 'aye", 35 voting 'no', and 1 voting 'present', and the Motion is adopted. Representative Shaw now moves to reconsider the vote by which Senate Bill 257 (sic 2157) failed, to take that Bill from the table and place it on the Calendar, Order Third Reading and suspend Rule 37(g) on the Bill until June 30th, 1986. On that question, is there any discussion? Representative Van Duyne."

"Excuse me, Madam Speaker. I didn't hear what you just said."

"The Gentleman has made a Motion. The Motion is to reconsider the vote by which Senate Bill 250... 2157 97  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 136 Legislative Day June 27, 1986 failed and to take that Bill from the table and place it on the Calendar, Order of Third Reading and suspend Rule 37(g) on the Bill until June 30th, 1986, meaning that we've suspended the deadline for it to be heard. That, of course, would have to be done for it to be heard at all, you understand."

"Yes, well, if it's... if it takes... I object."

"You may state your objections. We will have a vote on this..."

"Well, I just consider... it an argument not worth its... worth doing, because of the fact we've already went through this before. It seems that you should really address the Bill. I know it's probably against the rules to address the Bill when you're addressing his Motion, but nevertheless, in order to... to state your reasons for... for opposing his Motion, you must tell the Members of the Body what you're objecting to, and that is, I object very specific to... specifically to adding 10 percent surcharge more for the circuit clerk's office on top of the 10 dollars and the three dollars that they already get. And as I said before in my debate, I don't know who's in love with the circuit clerks offices in the State of Illinois, or the circuit clerks, but I think the 50 dollar hit on a regular... if I can use the regular traffic fine as an analogy for argument in this case, that's a 50 dollar hit, and I think it's... it's absurd to even charge you 50 dollars when the circuit clerks get 13 dollars out of that, much less add another 10 percent surcharge to this, which would give the circuit clerk's office another five dollars. Now, I've also stated in my debate before that no one has proven to me yet that the circuit clerk even deserves 13 dollars out of a 15 dollar fine when the county also gets a 23 dollar portion of that 50 dollars. And evidently, Mr. 98  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 136 Legislative Day June 27, 1986 Shaw doesn't believe me, but I think that the Members of this Body should understand that they are literally in a traffic fine, using that analogy again, are adding five dollars to the 50 dollar fine now in just a normal three or four mile traffic ticket. And it's even worse as the fines go up. Now, some people say, well, they wouldn't do that, but it's the position of the circuit clerk's office that they do need this money, they want the money. They are used to charging the money, and they would. Take it from me, they would. Now, if you pass this Motion, you're going to have to go through the whole debate all over again, and I just feel that the Members, when they do vote, that they should let the thing die. It was killed resoundingly, and I think they should do it one more time and get it over with."

"There being no further discussion, the question is, Shall the House reconsider the vote by which Senate Bill 2157 failed and take that Bill from the table and place it on the Order of Third Reading and suspend Rule 37(g) on the Bill until June 30th, 1986?" All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote "no". Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Representative Piel, one minute to explain his vote."

"No, I'm sorry. I didn't have my light on, Madam Speaker."

"Representative Van Duyne, for what reason do you rise?"

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. If this gets a prerequisite amount of votes, I'd like to verify the Roll Call."

"Fine. Representative Cullerton, one minute to explain your vote."

"Yes, I just wanted to indicate, in explaining my vote, that I understand that I, too, had some questions 99  136 Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 27, 1986 concerning this Bill which we tried to clear up through legislative intent when Representative Steczo and I first debated the Bill. I understand now that Representative Steczo has agreed to hold the Bill on Third Reading and perhaps take It back to Second for the purpose of some Amendments which would clear up any confusion concerning the Bill, and for that reason, I'm supporting the Motion so that we can get it on Third Reading and perhaps amend it to clean it up."

"Representative Steczo, one minute to explain your vote."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Members of the House. I would concur with the remarks of Representative Cullerton. There was some debate as to what this Bill did, and we have discussed with the Senate, over the last few days, the possibility of putting this legislation in good shape. They have agreed and therefore, we have agreed to make this Motion, SO when the Bill is amended on Third Reading... on Second Reading sometime over the weekend or before July the Ist, that the Bill will be as noncontroversial as possible. I would urge a 'yes' vote."

"Have all voted who wish? Vote only your own switches. There's a request for a verification. Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 78 voting aye", 36 voting 'no', and 1 voting present'. Representative Van Duyne has requested a verification of the affirmative. Representative Van Duyne, do you persist in your request? Yes, he does. Poll the affirmative, Mr. Clerk."

"Poll of the Affirmative. Alexander. Barnes. Berrios. Black. Bowman. Braun. Breslin. Brookins. Bullock. Capparelli. Churchill. Cowlishaw. Cullerton. Curran. Currie. Daley. Daniels. Davis. DeJaegher. 100  136 Legislative Day DeLeo. STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE Deuchler. Didrickson. June 27, 1986 Ewing. Farley. Flinn. Greiman. Hallock. Virginia Frederick. Giglio. Giorgi. Hensel. Hoffman."

"Excuse me. Mr. Clerk. Representative Van Duyne, Representative Brookins asks leave to be verified. Representative Brookins. The Gentleman has leave. Others are asking for leave to be verified. Representative Van Duyne, let's record these names. Representative Nash. Cowlishaw. Kirkland. Preston. Huff. Didrickson. Olson. Piel. Black. Wait. Ryder. Stern. Proceed, Mr. Clerk."

"Continuing the Poll of the Affirmative. Huff. Keane. Kirkland. Klemm. Krska. Kubik. Kulas. Laurino. LeFlore. Levin. Martinez. Matijevich. Mays. McGann. McNamara. Panayotovich. McPike. Pangle. Nash. Parke. O'Connell. W. Olson. Peterson. Piel. Preston. Pullen. Regan. Rice. Richmond. Ronan. Ryder. Shaw. Slater. Stange. Steczo. Stern. Sutker. Terzich. Vinson. Washington. White. Wojcik. Wolf. Hyvetter Younge. Zwick. And Mr. Speaker."

"Anthony Young wishes to change his vote from "no" to 'aye'."

"Andy. Tony."

"Representative Turner changes his vote from 'no' to 'aye'."

"It's mutiny, is what it is."

"Do you wish to persist, Sir?"

"I withdraw my request, Madam Speaker."

"The Gentleman withdraws his request for a verification. On this question, there are 80 voting 'aye", 34 voting 'no', and 1 voting 'present', and the House does adopt the Motion to reconsider the vote by which Senate Bill 2157 failed, take the Bill from the table and place it on the Order of Third Reading and suspends Rule 37(g) SO 101  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 136 Legislative Day June 27, 1986 that the Bill can be heard up until June 30th of '86. Ladies and Gentlemen, on a Special Subject Matter Call on Education on the Order of Concurrence, page five on your Calendar appears House Bill 3187, Representative Cullerton. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3187, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code together with Senate Amendment #2."

"Representative Cullerton."

"Yes, thank you, Madam Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This... You may recall, this Bill was up yesterday. We concurred with Senate Amendment #1. We were discussing Senate Amendment #2, and there were some questions that were raised. I took the Bill out of the record in order for the people who were behind the Amendment to take an opportunity to explain it, not only to me, but to Members of the General Assembly. The Amendment revises the punitive action Section of the Bill. It's an Amendment which was proposed by groups that have the initials IASA, IASB, and EDRED, which are educational interest groups. Some school officials believe that the threat of lowering... the threat of lowering of grades due to the excessive absences on the part of a truant is a viable option for school officials to use in encouraging school attendance, and so, this Amendment eliminates lowering of grades for non-academic reasons as a specific prohibitive action which the school district may take against a truant. I would appreciate your support on the Motion to concur."

"The Gentleman moves to concur in Senate Amendment #2 to House Bill 3187. And on that question, the Gentleman from McLean, Representative Ropp."

"Yeah, thank you, Madam Speaker. To the Body. That is about what the intent is to deal with truancy based on the 102  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 136 Legislative Day June 27, 1986 fact that the threat, if you leave school or don't come to school, we're going to lower your grade. I think it's a bit unusual, but it's at least a way that some people are attempting to deal with truancy. I think that there are much and many better ways to deal with that rather than this soft kind of a glad hand across the report card as to trying to deal with truants."

"The question is, Shall the House concur in Senate Amendment #2 to House Bill 3187?" All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. This is final action. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 97 voting 'aye', 18 voting 'no', and 1... Representative Laurino votes 'aye'. There are 98 voting 'aye', 18 voting 'no', and 1 voting 'present', and the House does concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 3187. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Cullerton moves that the House stand in recess now until the hour of 5:00 p.m. Ladies and Gentlemen, it is the intent of the House to stand in recess until 5:00 p.m., when we will come back and we will have one important matter, among others, to address, and that is the issue of insurance. We plan to go to that Order of Business, so on Representative... Representative Cullerton's Motion, the House.... Are there any objections to recessing until 5:00? Hearing none, the House stands recessed until 5:00 p.m. today for further action. The House will come to order. Representative Terzich in the Chair for a very special announcement. Ladies and Gentlemen, Representative Terzich."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. It gives me a great honor to prove to you Members of the Illinois General Assembly that 103  136 Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 27, 1986 we come from a fine stock and there is a country known as Yugoslavia. which all of us Croatians are proud of, and it gives me a great deal of pleasure to have with us this afternoon, the Consul General of Yugoslavia, Bahrudin Bijedic, and he's here to visit us and say a few words. Consul General?"

"Thank you. I want to greet all of you, and I am here to build friendly... much more friendly relations United States and Yugoslavia, and epecially Illinois and Yugoslavia. I wish you a lot of happiness. In your business, I wish you a lot of success. Thank you."

"Thank you, Consul General, and this shows that Serbians and Croatians can get together, and I want to thank the Consul General for coming here for my birthday from Yugoslavia. Thank you, Consul General."

"Make sure you vote our way. It's 'aye for Terzich and Panayotovich, and you'll be going home as a better person."

"Representative Vinson, for what reason do you rise?"

"Well, Madam Speaker, some two hours ago, you promised the House that at 5:00 we'd do something for the consumers of insurance. And the hour of 5:00 has come and passed, and I'm wondering when the Speaker's going to do something about insurance. Ever?"

"Representative Vinson. Representative Vinson, you will recall that I said when we recessed that the plan was to come back and hopefully, we could pick up the Order of Insurance, and that is still the plan as far as I know. So, as soon as we can..."

"You... I thought you said 5:00."

"We recessed until 5:00."

"This isn't a very effective train you've got running."

"A lot better than you ever ran." 104  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASI EMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 27, 1986

136 Legislative Day Vinson: "Yeah, but we did it for the people."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Kulas."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. It just amazes me that the Member from the other side of the aisle can tell time, because yesterday, when the Republicans asked for a Caucus, they said they were going to be in until 3:30, but they didn't come in until 5:00. And today, we went through the House's business fine when the Representative wasn't on the floor. There was no arguments. We did the work of the House, and I don't see any reason for this."

"Your point is well taken, Representative Kulas. Supplemental Calendar announcement."

"Supplemental Calendar #1 is being distributed."

"Ladies and Gentlemen, we are going to go to the Order of Motions, which appear on Supplemental Calendar #1. The first Resolution on that Order... or the first Motion, I should say, on that Order of Call is House Resolution 1419, Representative Terzich. You have a Motion to discharge the Executive Committee on House Resolution 1419." Terzich:: "Yes, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, on House Resolution 1419 was to... was on the Calendar on the Executive Committee to be heard this morning. And unfortunately, either some of the Members were unaware that the time was changed, but it was... unfortunately, we didn't have a quorum to hear this Resolution, and I would appreciate support to discharge the Executive Committee. The House Resolution has to deal with the Clean Indoor Air Act being applicable to state buildings, and I would appreciate your support."

"The Gentleman moves pursuant to Rule 77(a) to discharge the Executive Committee and place House Resolution 1419 on the Order of the Speaker's Table. And 105  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 136 Legislative Day June 27, 1986 on that question, the Gentleman from DeWitt, Representative Vinson."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen in the House. I rise in opposition to the Gentleman's Motion. We are in the last hours of a Legislative Session where several vital issues are being dealt with. I don't think any Member of this Assembly can fail to understand the importance of the Speaker's unwillingness and failure to go to the Order of Insurance... tort reform. That's what we ought to be dealing with. Instead, the Speaker goes to a Motion that deals with an issue that the House has defeated once this Session and that the Senate's defeated once this Session - in both cases, by significant votes. And so, we go to a Resolution that deals with that matter rather than to an issue of some significance for the people of Illinois, like tort reform and the cost and availability of liability insurance. That alone is reason enough to reject this. The Gentleman has had his chance. He's had his shot, and he's been defeated, and now his own Committee, his own Committee, he can't even get a Resolution out of. That is reason enough to reject this... this issue, and I would urge a 'no' vote on the Gentleman's Motion. I would ask for a Roll Call vote, and I would ask for a verification, should it appear to get a Majority."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Panayotovich, on the Motion."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield for a question."

"Yes, he will."

"Representative Terzich, could you explain again what this Motion is and what the substance is of this piece of legislation you have?"

"Yes, this is not anything to do with the Bill. All I 106  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 136 Legislative Day June 27, 1986 ask for is that the... the Committee be discharged. Unfortunately, there wasn't a sufficient number of Members in attendance. It wasn't the idea that I didn't get it out of Committee. We lacked a quorum, and the Resolution is simply a statement asking the Executive Branch of Government and the elected officials to adopt a Clean Indoor Air Act for state office buildings. It has nothing to do with the Clean Indoor Air Act. It's a Resolution I think that should be brought forward to the Members of the General Assembly, and all I'm asking for is a discharge. I didn't have an opportunity to present it, and certainly feel that it should be presented to the Members of the General Assembly."

"Thank you. To the Motion. I also stand in opposition to this Motion because Representative Terzich has had the Bill on the Indoor Clean... Air Act. We have discussed this on the House floor. It's been defeated here and in the Senate. We have talked together about this, about sitting down with all interested parties and try to work a piece of legislation up for this in the next year or two. I think it's had its hearing. We have other, more important issues. The Indoor Clean Act... Air Act was killed once. I think we should not let this out, and I ask for your "no" votes."

"The Gentleman from Marion, Representative Friedrich, on the Motion."

"Madam Speaker, I have had a House Resolution on the Calendar for months, House Resolution 1026, and I have not pressed it because I thought the press of other business was probably more important. I want to leave it on the Calendar, and hopefully this fall, we'll have some extra time, but I don't believe this is time to revive this thing that's been kicked around here all Session, and I would 107  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASS EMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 136 Legislative Day have to oppose the Motion."

Speaker Breslin: Ropp." June 27, 1986 "The Gentleman from McLean,

Representative Ropp: "Thank you, Madam Speaker. In all due respects to those who are opposing it, it's... to the degree that this is the waning hours of the legislation (sic - Legislature), let me also remind you that for your life's sake, this could be the waning hours of the life and breath situation of your very health. And it certainly seems that the State of Illinois, by its example, should show to the state what we intend to do in terms of attempting to further improving our air and the quality and hoping that we can extend people's lives by allowing clean, wholesome, fresh air, and that's what this is attempting to do - provide that example to the rest of the state."

Speaker Breslin: "There being no further discussion, Representative Terzich, to close."

"Yes, Madam Speaker, in all fairness, all I want to do is discharge the Committee and place it on the Speaker's Table. The issue before us, of course, is the Resolution which deals with a Clean Indoor Air Act which does not apply to any private industry, offices or anything of that nature, simply asking the State Government to adopt this type of a policy to make a better quality of air that we breathe and where we work and where we participate in, in the State Government. Not only is it for the public safety, but also for the many people who work for the State of Illinois. So, I think in all fairness, that I am not really wanting to discuss the Resolution in itself, but I did make an attempt to have it heard in the Executive Committee. Unfortunately, I was not able to do that, so therefore, I put in the Motion to discharge Committee, and let me have my day on my Resolution the same as anybody 108  136 Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 27, 1986 else, and so, in all fairness, I think that we should all vote 'aye' to put this on the Speaker's Table."

"The question is, 'Shall the House discharge Executive Committee from further consideration of House Resolution 1419, pursuant to Rule 77(a) and advance this Bill to the Order of the Speaker's Table?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Representative Mautino, would you help me there? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 45 voting 'aye', 62 voting 'no', and 1 voting 'present', and the Motion fails. House Resolution 1520, Representative Pullen. Out of the record. Oh, excuse me. Representative Pullen."

"Madam Speaker, I move to suspend the appropriate rule to have House Resolution 1520 heard without reference to Committee."

"The Lady moves pursuant to Rule 43(a) to bypass Committee and place House Resolution 1520 on the Speaker's Table for immediate consideration. Is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Terzich, on the Motion."

"Well, I... I would assume Representative Vinson would have the same objection to the rest of these Motions, and I'm sure he'd speak for it."

"Is there any further discussion? Does the Lady have leave to bypass Committee on this Bill and get to immediate consideration? Okay. The question is, Ladies and Gentlemen, 'Shall the House, pursuant to Rule 43(a), bypass Committee on House Resolution 1520 and place this Resolution on the Speaker's Table for immediate consideration?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Representative Homer? 109  136 Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 27, 1986 Representative Homer? Would you vote me 'aye', please? The Lady from Cook, Representative Currie, to explain her vote. Please listen, Ladies and Gentlemen. This is an important matter. Listen to what the Lady has to say."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker and Members of the House. I did vote to bypass Committee on the previous Resolution, and I vote 'yes' on this Motion on House Resolution 1520 as well. I've had a look at the subject of House Resolution 1520, and like the prior Resolution, it seems to me this is an important issue, one that should be discussed and debated and adopted on the floor of this House of Representatives. Apparently, information has recently come to the attention of the Sponsors of this Resolution, information that I think should be important to us all, and I would encourage us to give the Lady the number of votes she needs to put this Motion... put this Resolution before us so that we can all participate in that discussion."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Terzich. I believe you have already spoken on this question, and you may not speak in debate."

"All I want to know is what the Resolution is."

"Excuse me, Representative Terzich. For what reason do you rise?"

"I don't have a copy of the Resolution."

"Representative Terzich, the Motion indicates that the Resolution has been reproduced and has been distributed on the Members' desks. They will give you one here. Representative Mulcahey, on the question."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. I wonder if Representative Pullen... I was wondering if Representative Pullen... I was wondering if Representative Pullen, in the explanation of her vote, could explain what the Resolution is."

"I don't think that will be necessary, 110  136 Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 27, 1986 Representative Mulcahey... "

"Well, I do. I... I'd like to... "

"The Lady has the necessary votes so that she can discuss the Resolution in a moment. Take the Roll Call, Mr. Clerk. On this question, there are 90 voting 'aye', 18 voting "no", and 2 voting 'present', and the Motion carries. Representative Pullen, on the Resolution."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. It is with sadness that I have filed this Resolution together with two of my colleagues. We had offered the Resolution for the private consideration of the Gentleman to whom it is directed earlier this week, and found that he apparently was not interested in giving a response, and so we have filed this Resolution after giving him ample time to consider it on his own. The Resolution calls upon the Secretary of State of Illinois to lift an order by which some of his employees have been suspended for their conscientious refusal to wear a button upon their uniform that promotes one of his programs. It is of great concern to me - and I think, should be to many Members of this Body - when a Constitutional Officer takes his zeal for some of his programs so far as to suspend employees on a progressive suspension basis when they have a conscientious objection to being asked to wear a button on their uniform. The Resolution states that state employees are valued representatives of this state in serving the public, and that they ought to be judged on the basis of their service to the public, and that these suspensions result from no breach of service to the public, but from their own conscientious objection to being ordered to wear a button to work. I know of at least two employees who have been suspended for this. They were given written notice after verbal warning that if they did not comply 111  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 136 Legislative Day June 27, 1986 with the new uniform dress code order by wearing the button, that they would be suspended for one day, and that if they returned to work after that day and still did not wear the button, they would be suspended for three days. And now, the suspension that they are facing a week and a half later is for five days, and I don't know where it ends, but I think it ought to end here. And SO, I have, with great sadness, because to... to some extent, I certainly do respect the Gentleman that this Resolution is directed toward, but with great earnestness that I offer this Resolution on behalf of these employees and all of the employees of the Office of Secretary of State who feel that they should be able to make a decision if they do not want to wear a button on their uniform. And I urge its adoption."

"You have heard the Lady's Resolution. Is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Lake, Representative Matijevich."

"Would the Lady yield for a question?"

"She indicates she will."

"I understand most of what you say, but I'd like to know, for my information, what type of program was this button endorsing? Was it I-Search or the literacy program or DUI program, or what... election program? What... What program?"

"It is not a campaign button. I... in terms of a political campaign. It's a... It's an issue campaign, I guess. I'm happy to answer your question, but I would like to indicate first that that is irrelevant to my motives in introducing this because... "

"Well, it's relevant to my vote. I'd like to know."

"Okay. I said, I am happy to answer it, but I would like you to understand that it's the principle of the thing that 112  136 Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 27, 1986 is the reason I put this in."

"Sure. I understand."

"It's a button that promotes the organ donor program."

"I see."

"But I would put this in if it were a button that promotes the Statue of Liberty restoration project or any other kind of worthy project, as I'm sure that all of us feel the organ donor program is."

"Do you think possibly that these two employees may... they may refuse on their own convictions, or there may be some employees who might feel that by endorsing any of Edgar's... Secretary Edgar's programs, that may translate to a political endorsement. In other words, I tend to agree with you, no matter what the issue is, because I think that sometimes if a Constitutional Officer, for example, demands that somebody put on a button endorsing a pet project of that... that Constitutional Officer, that may endorse... that may tend to make people feel that that's a campaign button. Did that enter... You may feel that may have entered their minds also."

"Well, Sir, you are free to make that interpretation. I don't happen to share that interpretation, but it is certainly available to you if you desire it."

"Well... Well, I... I feel that some employees might... might feel that way. Your response leads me to believe that this... if this were some other campaign button... some other button, you may not have offered this Resolution, because of your response."

"No, that's not the case."

"Alright, you've answered my questions, then. Thank you."

"The Gentleman from Champaign, Representative Johnson." 113  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 136 Legislative Day June 27, 1986

"I suppose you can only make temporary enemies by speaking on an issue like this, but as one of the two... well, I guess more than two, number of Sponsors this year on our effort to try to encourage, facilitate and promote organ donations based on the premise, so absolutely right, that thousands and thousands of lives can and are being saved and can, if we do better in that regard, think that I can't let this time go by without addressing the issue. As I understand it, the Secretary of State has said that if employees oppose that program based on religious grounds, that they don't have to wear the buttons, but that the Secretary of State is, and I can tell you specifically is, because we negotiated with them extensively and their assistance on putting through an organ donation program, extensively involved in the effort to try to make Illinois citizens know about organ donations and the lifesaving tendency and more than tendency lifesaving realities of those things. I don't think it's unreasonable, in the absence of transgressing on somebody for religious grounds, and they're not, to make, as a reasonable requirement of the... of the job, that you promote and join in the efforts to promote the Secretary of State organ donations. I... I certainly don't begrudge the Sponsor at all. I realize she has strong feelings on this subject, and I'm not, in any way disrespectful to her Motion, but I would further point out, you only have to look around this chamber to see the reality or the potential reality of what organ donations can do for people who are born or who grow up with congenital heart or kidney or liver or corneal problems, and what... organ donations can potentially do in that regard. So, reluctantly and with all due respect to the Sponsor, I think this is a reasonable requirement, and it's something that the Legislature ought to leave to the 114  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 136 Legislative Day June 27, 1986 Secretary of State, and it ought to reconfirm our previously expressed intention to speak strongly in favor of a program that has the potential to save thousands and thousands and thousands of lives."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Terzich."

"Representative Pullen, on this... did you mention that these were public service officers? Does this mean that they were Secretary of State Police?"

"No, they're public service clerks."

"Clerks? Do they belong to AFSCME or any union?"

"I am not certain."

"You don't really believe that the Secretary of State will suspend somebody because of not wearing a button. I'm sure that Secretary Edgar is a very admirable person. He runs a good agency, and that he doesn't do things like that unless there was some serious problems. Why would we get involved in a problem which you stipulate is buttons? Don't these employees have a right or recourse, either through the union that they may belong to or a civil service review?"

"I agree that Secretary of State... that the Secretary of State is an honorable man, but that is not necessarily related to his decision in this instance. There is, indeed, absolutely no other reasons for these suspensions. It is based solely on that order concerning his policy on this matter."

"Well, that may be your assumption, but also then, maybe we should put in Resolutions for every employee of the State of Illinois that gets suspended or fired if we don't agree with the... whoever is in charge, that these persons should be suspended or fired or anything of that nature. We should intervene on all the employees on their behalf 115  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 136 Legislative Day June 27, 1986 and let us sit in judgment of whether or not they should be suspended. Do you think that's right?"

"I think that employees should be judged on the basis of their service to the public."

"Are you going to sit in judgment on that. or are you going to let the process of their... their review board take care of that?"

"What I am asking the House to do is to judge the wisdom of suspending employees on this basis, not asking the House to judge the service of these employees."

"Why don't you let the... the... you know, Personnel Review Board determine that? Why should the Legislature determine that?"

"You are free to vote 'no', if you would like to, Sir."

"Then, you don't trust Edgar's judgment. You... or the Personnel Board's judgment, then. You... You're saying you don't trust Secretary Edgar's judgment in this case?"

"Those are your words, Sir."

"Well, that's why you put in the Resolution, then. You don't trust your Secretary of State and the job that he's doing. That's terrible."

"I do not agree with his judgment in this situation. That doesn't mean I don't trust his judgment. I do not agree with it."

"The Gentleman from Marion, Representative Friedrich."

"Madam Speaker and Members of the House, I certainly support the donor program. I am glad that Secretary Edgar supports it. What I don't support is his leaning on his employees to do something that has nothing to do with their job. If he can suspend people for this, then the Attorney General can suspend people because they don't wear a Red Cross button or something else. I don't think that has 116  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 136 Legislative Day anything to do with State Government. June 27, 1986 I think it's an abuse of power on his part, and I think he should reconsider his position. He has been given an opportunity to do that voluntarily. I don't see anything wrong with the Secretary of State's employees wearing this button voluntarily. I do see something wrong with his suspending if they're not willing to wear it. That's what's wrong, here, and I think he ought to realize what we're trying to get at."

"The Gentleman from McLean, Representative Ropp."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Would the Sponsor yield?"

"She indicates she will."

"Representative, I think this is certainly a worthy cause. I guess I'm asking you, has the Secretary established a policy that every employee in his agency shall wear one of these buttons?"

"His public service clerks who deal with the public."

"Okay, is there a possibility, then, that we have other programs that this Body have endorsed such as I-Search, and I've noticed on State Police automobiles that says, 'If you see a drunken driver, call... such and such number. If those employees should, in fact, not choose to want to put those particular items on their automobiles, are we starting a precedence where those, too, might possibly fall in the same realm for suspension if that administrator chooses? Is that a possibility?"

"Well, I don't think that a state-owned automobile is in quite the same situation as someone's person."

"Well, okay. I guess that's partially true, except there's kind of the intent that the state has kind of a policy that has been established by this Body, and in some cases signed into law, which presumably would be a state policy. I... 117  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASS EMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 136 Legislative Day thank you." June 27, 1986

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative McNamara."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. I rise in support of the Lady's Motion. It seems to me that there is quite a bit of difference between forcing an employee to wear something that is not a specific function of their job. It is quite another thing to put a sign or something allowing people to know it on governmental property. That is a totally different situation. So, I think we should support this because people, as she says, should be supported or denied employment on the basis of what they do. You are taking away their individual freedom to think if you don't do it, in this case. So, I believe that the Lady's Motion should be supported. Thank you."

"The Gentleman from Coles, Representative Weaver."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Members of the House, I've got the greatest respect for the Sponsor of this Resolution. However, the question appears to be whether or not this is an official program of the Secretary of State's Office. Now, if you'll take your driver's license out of your wallet and turn it over on the back side, that is a legal document for donation of human organs. This is an official program of the Secretary of State's Office. I think he's well within his right to require his employees to help the public understand the implementation of one of their official programs. I don't think it's out of bounds for him to do that, and I stand in opposition to this Resolution."

"The Gentleman from Winnebago, Representative Mulcahey."

"Madam Speaker, I move the previous question." 118  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 136 Legislative Day June 27, 1986

"The Gentleman moves the previous question. The question is, 'Shall the main question be put?' All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say "no". In the opinion of the Chair, the ayes have it, and the main question is put. Representative Pullen, to close."

"Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, if the Secretary of State had recommended this to his employees, had asked them to do it, I'm certain that as many people would be wearing those buttons, if for no other reason than to impress their supervisors, as are wearing them today. It is only those who have a conscientious objection who would not be likely to wear them under that situation. And if the buttons were to give people information that is worthy for them, then certainly that is something that would be understandable, but it is a button that urges, not a button that informs, and it is an order under which some of his employees are now living under suspension. And I think that that is unfair, and I think that it goes too far. and I think that this House has the right to tell them that. Obviously, we cannot order him to do this, but we can call upon him and urge him to do that, that action, to lift the suspension, and that is what this Resolution does."

"The question is, 'Shall the House adopt House Resolution 1520?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Representative Homer. Representative Giorgi, one minute to explain your vote."

"Madam Speaker, in retaliation to some remarks made by Representative Vinson last week, let's let the Republicans embarrass Jim Edgar instead of the Democrats. Let's let the Republicans hang a noose on him."

"The Gentleman from DeWitt, Representative Vinon, one minute to explain your vote." 119  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 136 Legislative Day

June 27, 1986 "Yes, I'm glad Mr. Giorgi awakened me on this matter. Ι... I think that Jim Edgar has been the finest Secretary of State this state's had in my period of observing that office. But I have serious problems with... I can understand firing an employee because he doesn't work his precinct, and I can understand firing an employee... I can understand firing an employee because he's incompetent on his job, but I have a hard time firing an employee who does work his precinct and is competent on his job, because he's got a different point of view. And that's the reason I'm voting for this Resolution."

"Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 25 voting 'aye", 34 voting 'no", and 49 voting 'present', and the Resolution fails. House Joint Resolution 232, Representative Braun. Is the Lady in the chamber? Read the... Read the Resolution, Mr. Clerk."

"A Motion on House Joint Resolution 232, pursuant to Rule 43(a), 'I move to bypass Committee and place on the Speaker's Table for immediate consideration.'"

"Thank "Representative Braun." you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I move to bypass Committee and for immediate consideration of House Joint Resolution 232. I have discussed this issue with Members on both sides of the aisle. Essentially, what the Resolution is about is to allow the State Superintendent of Education to put together a group so that... I don't like that description. It doesn't have to... It's not 'no pass, no play', specifically. It does have to do, however, with the relationship between education and athletic activities. To the... Superintendent is called upon to consult with coaches, teachers, principals and sports activists as well. 120  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 136 Legislative Day June 27, 1986 Again, it is not a specific Resolution, and quite frankly, it tracks, in large part, what the Senate has already done. We hope to get some Resolution between the House and the Senate on this issue, but I think if you take a look, for those of you that are interested in this area, if you take a look at the language of the actual Resolution, you will see that it is a sensible approach to creating a dialogue about this issue in the State of Illinois. I encourage your support of the Motion."

"The Lady... The Lady moves, pursuant to Rule 43(a), to bypass Committee on House Joint Resolution 232 and to place that on the Speaker's Table for immediate consideration. On that question, the Gentleman from Rock Island, Representative Brunsvold."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. I stand in support of House Joint Resolution 232 with Representative Braun. We're working towards an agreement with Senate Members. House Members, private members, the Board of Education and the Illinois High School Association. This Joint Resolution is set up to study the problems we've had with eligibility in the state. We've discussed it on the floor many times this spring with Representative Mulcahey's 'no pass, no play'. I've been over in the Senate, talked with Senator Marovitz and Senator Topinka working on some sort of an agreement, a Committee to meet, and this is the product. It doesn't specify any particular number. We left it open ended so that we could come up with a group of Senators and House Members and private members that were interested in the problem. So, I stand in support of House Joint Resolution 232."

"The Gentleman from DuPage, Representative Hoffman."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the 121  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL AS; EMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 136 Legislative Day House. During June 27, 1986 the discussions on the legislation on "no pass, no play in the House Education Committee, there was at least a .... agreement among the Illinois... between the .... Illinois High School Association and the proponents and the opponents of this legislation to take a look at this issue. I personally believe that... that the issue of deciding this ought not be in the hands of the Legislature but ought to be in the hands of... of school officials. However, I believe that this task force is important because that is certainly one of the conclusions that this task force could arrive at after they look at all issues. This is a task force that would be under the direction of the Superintendent of Education. It's an appropriate place for it to be considered, and I would move, not only for the immediate consideration of this House Joint Resolution, but its adoption as well."

"The Lady from DuPage. Representative Cowlishaw."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield for a question, please?"

"She indicates she will."

"Thank you. Representative, your Resolution states that the State Board of Education, which I gather is going to be in charge of this, is to consult with coaches, teachers and principals. which is It does not mention the NHSA, presently the body, as you well know, that establishes rules for participation in athletics by high school students. I would assume, even though that is not specifically stated in your Resolution, that it is your intent that the NHSA would be taking part in all of this discussion and in what the ultimate result of this, as it were, task force, may be. Is that correct?" "Representative Braun." Speaker Breslin: 122  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 136 Legislative Day June 27, 1986

"Thank you. Absolutely, Representative Cowlishaw. In fact, not only is it intended that the Superintendent would have the input and participation and consult with the NHSA, but also Legislators who will be... who have been and will be involved with this issue and the general public as well, public participation being a central part of this dialogue, this discussion. So, the answer to your question is yes."

"Thank you. Thank you, Representative. Madam Speaker, to this Resolution."

"Proceed."

"I think we are all aware that for the last few years in particular, there have been small fires that have occurred here and there throughout Illinois that have, I think, somewhat burned the reputation of the NHSA, and the NHSA, it seems to me, for the last two or three years, has been going around putting out brush fires and has been so busy doing that, it has not had, perhaps, sufficient time to pay attention to what should be its major purpose. In fact, I think it is time that we look into this subject, not as something that either accuses or forgives the NHSA for anything, but rather, that we look at the bigger picture which this Resolution proposes that we do. It's a good Resolution. I think we should pass it."

"The question is, 'Shall the House discharge, or rather, bypass Committee and place House Joint Resolution 232 on the Speaker's Table for immediate consideration?" All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, by a.. by use of the Attendance Roll Call. And this Bill is placed before us for immediate consideration. Representative Braun, on the Resolution."

"Thank you very much, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. The substance of the Resolution has been 123  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 136 Legislative Day June 27, 1986 discussed in the previous Motion. I would encourage your vote and support of House Joint Resolution 232."

"You have heard the Lady's Resolution. Is there any further discussion? Hearing none, the question is, 'Shall House Joint Resolution 232 be adopted?' All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say "no". In the opinion of the Chair, the "ayes" have it, and the Resolution is adopted. House Joint Resolution 233, Representative Braun."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. I move to bypass Committee and for immediate... and for immediate consideration of House Joint Resolution 233. The substance of this Resolution is the... is a discussion and a dialogue, again, In education to reconcile specifically the Urban School Improvement Act which this General Assembly overwhelmingly passed in the last chamber... in the last Session and those provisions of... House Bill 730, they have... there are overlapping sections of the law, there are overlapping sections that sometimes seems as though they may be in conflict. We think that it would be appropriate, rather than fooling with both of them or none of them, that the disparities in the conflict, such as they may be, be resolved into a single set of language. And SO, we are, with this Resolution, expand... creating a task force relative to citizen involvement in urban education consisting of the State Superintendent, the General Superintendent of Schools of the public schools in Chicago and appointments by the leadership in the General Assembly - again, to make recommendations to this General Assembly to establish the appropriate relationship and resolve any conflicts between the two programs and to promote maximum parental participation in the public school system. So... and I have an Amendment... well, an Amendment to this... this 124  136 Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 27, 1986 Resolution which will be considered if this Motion passes, which will sunset the task force that is so established."

"The Lady has moved to bypass Committee on House Joint Resolution 233 and place it on the Speaker's Table for immediate consideration. Are there any objections? Hearing no objections, the Lady has leave by use of the Attendance Roll Call. Present your Resolution. Excuse me. Read the Resolution, Mr. Clerk."

"House Joint Resolution 233."

"Are there any Amendments filed?"

"Floor Amendment #1, offered by Representative Braun."

"Representative Braun, on the Amendment #1."

"Thank you very much, Madam Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, Amendment 1 is the sunset provision as requested by Representative Hoffman and with which I concur, and I urge its adoption."

"The question is, 'Shall Amendment #1 be adopted?' Is there any further discussion? Hearing none, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #1 be adopted?' All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say "no". In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Are there any further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Representative Braun, on the Resolution as amended."

"Again, the substance of the Resolution has been discussed in the discussion of the Motions preceding, and I would encourage your support for HJR 233 and welcome whatever questions you may have."

"The Lady moves the adoption of the Resolution. Is there any discussion? Hearing none, the question is, 'Shall the House adopt House Joint Resolution 233?' All 125  136 Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 27, 1986 those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say "no". In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes have it, and the Resolution is adopted. House (sic Senate) Joint Resolution 159, Representative White. Representative White on the Motion."

"Madam Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, this morning I appeared before the Executive Committee to present Senate Joint Resolution 159, and as it turned out, only the Democratic Members were there. The Republican Members were absent. It did not have a quorum, and I have now placed a Motion before this House so that this Bill will be discharged from the Executive Committee and be... and there will be a Motion thereafter."

"Excuse me, Mr. Clerk. Is this a House Joint Resolution or a Senate Joint Resolution?"

"This is a discharge Motion."

"Yes, but, Mr. Clerk? It's a Senate Joint Resolution. Ladies and Gentlemen, your Supplemental Calendar is incorrect. This is a Senate Joint Resolution. Representative White has moved pursuant to Rule 77(a) to discharge the Executive Committee on Senate Joint Resolution 159 and to advance that Resolution to the Order of the Speaker's Table. Is there any discussion? The Gentleman from McHenry, Representative Klemm."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. I just wanted to correct the speaker. He had indicated that all the Democrat Members were there and not Republican Members and there, therefore, was not a quorum. It's quite clear that if all the Democrat Members were there, he would have had a quorum, since the Majority of Members of any Committee in this House are Democratic. So, therefore, I don't think the fault or the onus falls on the Republicans, it's just that he didn't have enough of his own Members, and I would just 126  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 136 Legislative Day White: like to clarify the record on that." June 27, 1986 "Madam Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, Representative Klemm is correct and I apologize to you for that statement, Sir."

"The... The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Terzich."

"Well, yes, as the Chairman of the Executive Committee, which I previously stated, apparently the Republicans were not for good government, because none of them showed up. We had 8 Democrats that were there, and that's the reason why we didn't have a quorum. We were missing 1 individual. We had 8 out of 9. He had O out of 8 from the Republican Party. So, I think it's all fair that Representative White should have his Resolution discharged the same way I thought I should have my Resolution discharged. The Republicans should be for good government and vote for this discharge."

"The Gentleman from DuPage, Representative Daniels. Representative Daniels."

"Yes, Madam Speaker, I'm sorry to interrupt, but I'm being badgered by the Governor's Office. I wanted to go back to my office for a moment, and they won't let me go back to my office until I make a most important announcement, so with leave of the Chair?"

"Surely."

"Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, if you look outside, you'll see that the party's still on. The Governor says the party is still on, on the Mansion lawn after we finish our work. Is that what I was supposed to say, Kurt? Oh, indoors. The party's been moved indoors. Now, I don't want to... Madam Speaker, I'm going to resist the effort to talk about the rain inside and how that's applicable to what's happening inside, and I won't make that comment." 127  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 136 Legislative Day June 27, 1986

"Thank you, Representative Daniels."

"But, I... I now am able to go back to my office. The Governor will let me go back. I've made the announcement he's requested I make."

"Great. I didn't know the Governor had so much power over you."

"He has unbelievable power over all of us."

"The Lady from Cook, Representative Wojcik, on the Motion pending before the Body."

"Yes, Madam Speaker and Members of the House, just to bring the subject back and what we are questioning, I wish to advise the Membership here that without the precise language in the Resolution, the cost cannot be estimated accurately. What we're looking at, quite possibly, is tens or hundreds of millions of dollars per year to be able to institute this. There's no restrictions on the type of insurance or the limits of the coverage. There already is an insurance factor in the current cost of living formula..."

"Excuse me, Representative Wojcik."

"Yes."

"The Motion before us is whether or not the Resolution should be discharged and placed before us for immediate consideration. Confine your remarks to that, and we won't even get to the Resolution unless the Resolution is discharged."

"I am in opposition to the Motion to discharge."

"Fine. The Gentleman from Lake, Representative Churchill."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Will the Gentleman yield?"

"He indicates he will."

"Is the subject matter of this Joint Resolution something to do with insurance?" 128  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE

136 Legislative Day White: "Yes, it does. Representative Vinson June 27, 1986 indicated earlier that he was concerned about an insurance matter, and that matter is before this Body right now."

"Okay. Madam Speaker, I, too, rise in opposition to this Senate Joint Resolution. I don't think that it should be immediately discharged, because I think that the Speaker has complete control of the insurance issue at this point, and I don't think that any of his Members would want to rise and put something dealing with insurance out on the floor."

"Representative White, to close."

"Madam Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, we're talking right now about fairness, and we're talking about discharging a Bill from a Committee. I took the time to appear before the Executive Committee this morning and as it turned out, there was not a quorum, and I ask this Body at this time to join me in my effort to discharge SJR 59 (sic - 159) from the Executive Committee."

"The question is, 'Shall the House discharge the Executive Committee from the consideration of Senate Joint Resolution 159 and advance that Resolution to the Order of the Speaker's Table?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Representative White, one minute to explain your vote."

"Madam Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I neglected to indicate to you why this Bill is so important. I indicated earlier that we were talking about insurance. We were talking about liability insurance for agencies that contract out from the State of Illinois services to those who can... those who cannot take care of themselves."

"Representative Churchill, you spoke in debate. For what reason do you rise?" 129  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 136 Legislative Day June 27, 1986

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Should this Motion receive the requisite number of votes to pass, I would ask for a verification."

"Have all voted who wish? Ladies and Gentlemen, push your own switches. There will... There is a request for a verification on this Roll Call. The Gentleman from DeWitt, Representative Vinson, one minute to explain your vote. Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question... Representative Piel, for what reason do you rise?"

"Correct me if I'm wrong, but this does take 71 votes. Correct?"

"No, Sir, it takes 60 votes."

"I'm sorry, Madam Speaker. According to the rules, this can be... the Motion's got to be in writing. It will be carried the next... the next Legislative Day. This was... We got the Calendar today, so technically, for it to be heard today, it would have to be 71 votes. 60 votes tomorrow, 71 votes today, if you'll check the rules."

"The Gentleman is not asking that the Resolution be heard today. He's only making the Motion to discharge the Committee."

"The Motion has got to be on the Calendar for one Legislative Day. It's got to be in writing and it's got to be on the Calendar for one Legislative Day. For us to hear that today, it takes 71 votes, Madam Speaker."

"Okay, we'll check the record. The Motion requires 71 votes. On this question, there are 60 voting 'aye', 47 voting 'no', and 1 voting 'present', and the Motion fails. Representative... Excuse me. The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Terzich, for what reason do you rise?"

"Yeah, Madam Speaker, since that was supposed to be on 130  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 136 Legislative Day the desk for... June 27, 1986 or the table for one day, does that mean that the Resolution is still going to be brought up for tomorrow's Motions?"

Speaker Breslin: "Representative Terzich, if you are speaking with regard to your own Motion, you could... you could file again the Motion today. It would be carried on the Calendar, the regular Calendar tomorrow, and then require only 60 votes for passage. Representative Terzich."

"How many votes, now?" Speaker Breslin: tomorrow." "60 votes if you file it today and hear it

"Thank you. I'll be back. Thank you."

"Speaker Madigan in the Chair."

"On Supplemental Calendar 1, there appears, under the Order of Conference Committee Reports, House Bill 3549. The Chair recognizes Mr. Farley."

"Mr. Speaker."

"The Chair recognizes Mr. Young."

"Mr. Speaker, on a point of order. We recessed and we adjourned at 5:00. According to House Rule 79(d), we have to have three hours to evaluate this Report before it could be called. Therefore, this Bill should not be called until 8:00."

"Your point is well taken. However, a Motion has been filed by Mr. Farley to move to suspend Rule 79 relating to the First Conference Committee Report on House And on that Motion, the Chair recognizes Mr. Bill 3549. Farley." "Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. As you stated. I did make a written Hotion to suspend Rule 79(d) and have this matter heard immediately. I think that with the explanation of the Bill and... or the Conference Committee Report, that everybody will understand 131  136 Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 27, 1986 it, and I think that there won't be any problem, so I would move now, Mr. Chairman... or Mr. Speaker, that we now suspend the appropriate rule."

"The Gentleman has moved to suspend the rules to permit immediate consideration of the Report. The Chair recognizes Mr. Young."

"Mr. Speaker, a question of the Chair. Does this vote require 71 votes?"

"This requires 60 votes."

"According to House Rule 79(a), that Subsection 79 can only be suspended upon the affirmative vote of 71 Members."

"Under Rule 71(a) which refers to typing the names of the Conferees, that takes 71 votes. However, 79(d) takes 60 votes to suspend."

"Well, Mr. Speaker, 71(a) refers to Motions. We're suspending Rule 79(d) here, and according to this Subsection in 79(d), it would require 71 votes."

"The 71 vote requirement refers to Rule 71(a). What's being suspended here is Rule 71(d)."

"So the Chair is ruling that the... in our rules under Subsection 79 that says 71 votes, that really refers to Subsection 71. To Section 71?"

"Section 71(a), the rule requires 60 votes to suspend. 79, I am sorry."

"Representative Braun."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. With regard to the issue of the vote required for immediate consideration of House... the First Conference Committee Report on House Bill 3549, I'd like to call the Parliamentarian's attention to Rule 79(a) which refers to 71 votes for suspension. And it refers to the entire Subsection and not just a portion of the Subsection that refers to signature lines."

"Rule 79(a) provides that Conference 132  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 136 Legislative Day Committee Reports shall be reproduced June 27, 1986 and be on the Members' desks as well as signature lines. That Subsection requires 71 votes to suspend. The Rule that is being suspended is Subsection D, and that rule requires 60 votes to suspend."

"Representative Braun."

"Thank you. Mr. Speaker, I would suggest also that the distribution of this Conference Committee Report is not in accordance with the rule and that it has not been available for review by the Membership in sufficient time to comport with the requirements of the rules."

"Representative Braun, I believe that was the essence of the point made by Representative Young where the Parliamentarian has already responded to the parliamentary question."

"Does the... Do we have any record of when this Conference Committee Report was distributed from the Clerk?"

"The Clerk tells me 5:00, and so the Motion is to suspend that Section of the rules. Mr. Huff? Mr. Huff."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, a point of order. Isn't there a rule that provides that all Conference Reports should be on... on the desk one day before it can be taken up and that the Motion to suspend should be in writing, otherwise, it will require 71 votes?"

"The rule provides that between June 16th and June 27th, Conference Committee Reports are... must be on Members' desks three hours prior to being voted on. That rule is... a Motion to suspend that rule is currently under consideration by the House."

"Well, I think, without referring to the rules, that the precedent was already set by the Speaker in the Chair previously when she acceded to an objection raised by 133  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 136 Legislative Day June 27, 1986 another Member on the other side of the aisle against a Motion that Representative White advanced."

"That was a Motion to discharge."

"Representative Braun. Representative Braun."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, has the Gentleman addressed his Motion at this point?"

"The Gentleman has moved the Motion."

"He has made his move. In that case, I rise in opposition to the Motion for immediate consideration and for suspension of the rules applicable to the consideration of Conference Committee Reports. This Conference Committee Report is no more and no less than an attempt to effect a coup d'etat in favor of the machine in the City of Chicago. Given that fact, it seems to me that the Members of this chamber ought to have an opportunity to review the Conference Committee Report and understand fully the ramifications and the meaning of this Conference Committee Report insofar as it is befitting only the actions of a Marcos government or a coup d'etat in some foreign country and not an action by a deliberative Body - a Legislative Body such as this one. The substance of the Conference Committee Report is essentially to grab a power grab in the City of Chicago with regard to its park district. The first part of the Report starts off laudably enough in an effort to cure certain deficiencies in certain villages in this state which are in financial distress. The second section of the Conference Committee Report, however, is a power grab that essentially makes the Park District Superintendent, the Chairman of the Board and the CEO of the Chicago Park District. It is a power grab. It is the essence of unfairness. It is the equivalent of changing the rules in the middle of the game, particularly so since the matter addressed by this Conference Committee Report is 134  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 136 Legislative Day presently June 27, 1986 before the courts of this state. I would encourage the Members of this Body that we give ourselves adequate time to review this issue, that we not move pell-mell to strip away what reform efforts have attempted in the City of Chicago to return the Park District to the bad old days when we paid three times more to run our parks, when our parks were filled with patronage, when our parks were run on a system... a buddy system of influence buying and selling. Consider very clearly, Ladies and Gentlemen, this vote is a vote for or against the machine and the vestiges of it in the City of Chicago, and I encourage your opposition to the Gentleman's Motion."

"Mr. Farley, to close."

"Well, I certainly disagree with the previous speaker's last remarks, and I would just move that my Motion be considered, and that we have immediate consideration."

"The Gentleman has moved to suspend Rule 79 relating to the First Conference Committee Report on House Bill 3549. On that question, those in favor of the Motion will signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question, there are 63 'aye', 41 'no'. The Motion carries. Now, to the main question, Conference Committee Report on House Bill 3549. The Chair recognizes Mr. Farley. The Chair recognizes Mr.

Steczo. Steczo: "Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Members of the House. I would move for the adoption of Conference Committee Report #1 to House Bill 3549. The underlying Bill remains the same with regard to competitive bid thresholds for forest preserve districts, for park districts and for fire protection districts. In addition, language which embodies House Bill 2796 dealing with municipal fiscal emergencies was added to 135  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 136 Legislative Day June 27, 1986 the Conference, and Mr. Speaker, at this time, I would defer to Representative Farley to explain the final portion of the Bill."

"The Chair recognizes Mr. Farley."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. The portion of the Bill that talks about the Chicago Park District does the following: It spells out the duties of the General Superintendent of the Chicago Park District that were ordinances or bylaws of the Park Board. It spells those duties out in statute. It also states that the General Superintendent is the Chief Executive Officer of the Park District and by definition, as in any corporation, would be the day-to-day manager of the Chicago Park District. These duties have traditionally been the General Superintendent's duties. I am doing nothing more except spelling them out in statute form. I also, in this part of the Conference Committee Report, take those employees that are not covered by the Civil Service... Civil Service Code of the Chicago Park District and place them under that Code. As we all know, in a struggle between two powerhouses, political or otherwise, it's always the little guy that gets hurt. In this Conference Committee Report, those people that are not covered by Civil Service will so be, if it's the will of the chamber. As far as those employees, let's consider what we're actually doing when we do that. We are taking them out of politics. We're talking about reform government. We're talking about anti-machine. If you place employees that are now not under Civil Service, they cannot be affected by any administration, by any committeeman, but are there, relatively secure in their job, which they have worked hard for to provide a means of support for themselves and their families. And I think 136  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 136 Legislative Day June 27, 1986 it's all-important because this is a big part of the Bill. I am eliminating patronage in the Chicago Park District. There won't be any favoritism in the Chicago Park District. I think it's a good proposal. Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, and I think that an 'aye" vote is a correct vote, and I would move for the adoption of Conference Committee Report #1 on House Bill 3549."

"The Chair recognizes Representative Braun."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I'm trying to be calm about this. The fact of the matter is, this is an outrage. This is an absolute outrage. Take a look at it. Get rid of patronage? You're talking about making precinct captains Civil Service employees. You're talking about taking temporary precinct captains and making them Civil Service employees, and then you're turning around and giving the General Superintendent control of the Board and letting him set the salaries, the compensation, the duties, the responsibilities of everybody including the Secretary, the Treasurer of the Park District. If this isn't machine politics, I don't know what is. And what's even more outrageous about it is that they come down to this General Assembly and get this Body to put a stamp of approval on this kind of a changing of the rules. I said changing the rules in the middle of the game. That's exactly right. The fact of the matter is the people of the City of Chicago spoke when they elected Harold Washington its Mayor. The people of the City of Chicago have been fed up and frustrated with the horrible conditions, the discriminatory conditions, the rundown conditions, the overpriced conditions at the Chicago Park District. Come to our town. See our parks. Discover that we spend more money than any other city in this country per acre for park services in the City of Chicago. 137  136 Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 27, 1986 You know about the corruption already. You know about the investigations that's been in the newspapers. Come and take a look at the parks and see what's happened to them. The people in the City of Chicago want it changed. The change was done during an orderly process according to the rules as they have always been written and the way they have always been respected by the political forces in the City of Chicago. You talk about two powerhouses. That may be right, but the fact of the matter is that when previous powerhouses were in office, nobody did those kinds... the kind of end runs in this General Assembly that they're doing now. What makes this reform administration subject to this kind of subterfuge, this kind of going around the corner and coming up and sidewinding them in a power grab... in a power grab such as we have not recently seen in the State of Illinois? I say to you, Ladies and Gentlemen, again, take a look at what you're doing with this Conference Committee Report. It's not for good government. It's for business as usual. It's not for reform. It's for a continuation of the corruption and the incompetence at the city... at the Park District in the City of Chicago. Take a look at what you're doing to the people of the City of Chicago with this Conference Committee Report and join us in defeating the Conference Committee Report to House Bill 3549."

"The Chair recognizes Mr. Shaw."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. You know, I am somewhat amazed, and then again, I'm not, that this side of the aisle would bring this type of Conference Committee Report and ask the people of this Assembly, the Members of this Assembly, to vote on this Report. You know, a long time ago - and I've served as a precinct captain, and I always thought that Democrats were 138  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 136 Legislative Day June 27, 1986 together. I could expect it or would expect it from the other side of the aisle, but back in 19... but back in 19... but back in 1983... but back in 1983, the people of Chicago elected a Mayor. They said what they wanted in overwhelming numbers, but today that reform that we talk about... that has been talked about here, there seem to be some obstructionists attempting to come to the Legislature to circumvent the Mayor and the people's will of the City of Chicago. But I think that there is Democrats on this side of the aisle is the culprits in this case. They are the ones that's doing it. I was elected as a Democrat. Harold Washington is a Democrat. But we are attempting to get shystered by our own Party Members. here. And It was said two years ago that we would not bring the fight of the City of Chicago to the Legislature. That's where it have wind up, in the Legislature. And there's no need for that. And no other city, in DuPage County or wherever you go. Will County, East St. Louis or wherever, would you attempt to do this to any mayor, to any mayor. And I can say... stand here and say, Harold Washington happened to be man of color. And I think this is why it's being done. But many of the Members of this General Assembly are here because of people of color. Many of the people who signed this Report wouldn't be here if those people of color had not made sure that they got here. We have to be mindful of that. And I'm hopeful that the newspapers and the media of this state, when this vote is cast tonight, will print the names of those people that voted for this Conference Committee Report, because it's unfair; it's absolutely insane. I could understand that if we was in the Philipines somewhere, or in South Africa. I could understand it. But we are in America, and because a man has been elected Mayor of Chicago happened to be black, we going to strip him of 139  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 136 Legislative Day June 27, 1986 the powers and his duties the law of this state give him. We going to change the law to fit our own needs. That is unfortunate, Ladies and Gentlemen, and I appeal to the good Democrats on this side of the aisle and the good Republicans on the other side of the aisle think about what you're doing. Think about what you're doing. Today it might be Harold Washington, but tomorrow it might be your mayor in your city, or county board president. You should stand up for what's right, and what's right is to defeat this Conference Committee Report, because it won't stop here, Ladies and Gentlemen. It will go on, and this is not the... probably the last that you will hear of this kind of thing. If they get this through, they might come up with a Bill to make... change some other law where that the mayor is not the mayor of the city. There are some of those people, and especially on this side of the aisle, who... those of us who sit and truly Democrats vote for Democratic Bills, some Republican Bills, those that are good, but where does it stop? And I think that this, and maybe my speech will not change a vote here, but the Session is not over. All of the Bills is not gone, and the fat lady have not sing. And you might remember that in your casting your vote. We need this Report defeated, and I urge you to vote 'no' on this Report."

"Mr. Ronan."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. You're going to hear a lot of rhetoric on this Conference Committee Report. Let's look at the facts. Number one, what we're trying to do is codify into the state statute something that should have been done a long time ago. We've got a Superintendent of the Chicago Park District who gets paid over $70,000 a year. His duties should be very accurately lined out. Some day. Ed Kelly's not going to be 140  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 136 Legislative Day June 27, 1986 in that position. There's going to be another General Superintendent as there's been many before him. Let's make it very clear, the Chicago Park District is a creation of the State of Illinois. We've had numerous Bills in my eight years here dealing with the Chicago Park District. This is just another piece of legislation that addresses that public body. When you pay somebody $70,000 a year and you call them General Superintendent, whoever that is, his duties and responsibilities should be clearly laid out. Secondly, let's look at the issue of Civil Service protection, and let's talk about the opportunity to protect people who work in public employment and public service. I thought that's what we're all about. The issue is, if you don't think that there has been manipulation of the Civil Service System in the City of Chicago, let me bring down my friends and associates who have been fired for one simple reason - they're precinct captains who deliver their precinct for candidates that the Mayor of the City of Chicago doesn't like. I can bring down Jerry Shudnow. Jerry Shudnow is a good friend of mine. He was an Assistant General Superintendent in the Department of Streets and Sanitation. Jerry Shudnow carried a precinct in the last special aldermanic election, the number one precinct in the ward. Before we had the special run-off, he was fired from his job after 12 years of service. That's how the administration operates. I understand the ball game, but my attitude is that if you really want to have good government, let's give the individuals who work for government something more than a political sponsorship or a negative political operation to either have gainful employment or lose their job. Civil Service protection does that. It's been instituted at the federal level for a long time; it's been instituted at the state level for a 141  136 Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 27, 1986 long time. It's now instituted at the City of Chicago, and I supported that move when it was done up there. We should have it at the Chicago Park District. You're going to hear a lot of rhetoric. The basic issue is and I want the downstaters and the suburban people to pay attention to it when you elect a mayor in any other municipality in this state, he does not immediately expect to be able to run his local park district. It doesn't happen. When the Mayor of Glen Ellyn is elected, does he go over to the park district and say, 'Give me your contracts, give me your truck drivers, give me everything you've got, because it's now mine.' No, that's not the way the process operates. The process operates is that you've got independent park boards all over this state, and they have their responsibilities spelled out very clearly. The same situation should exist in the City of Chicago. I feel the mistake that was made in the City of Chicago is that Mayor Washington should have had his appointments given a long time ago to the Park Board. I feel the City Council acted improperly in holding up those appointments, but now they're there. Those appointments have been established. The Mayor can set policy for that institution as he has the right under the existing statute. But what this Conference Committee does is, one, clarify what the reponsibilities of what the General Superintendent are, and that should have been done a long time ago: and number two, grant civil service protection to public employees, and that makes a lot of sense, because we have it at the state level and every other level of government. I support the Conference Committee Report."

"Mr. Young."

"First, Mr. Speaker, a point of order. I would ask the Parliamentarian to rule that this Bill requires 71 votes 142  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 27, 1986 136 Legislative Day for the fact that it preempts home rule in several Sections. I would point out Sections 8.816 and 8.817 in the general Bill where they put a fiscal emergency board in control over lawfully elected authorities and officials, thereby preempting home rule. I would also suggest that in the Section dealing with the Park District, it preempts home rule. Also, Mr. Speaker, while I'm on the microphone, I would like to request an Oral Verified Motion on this Bill... Oral Verified Roll Call. To the Bill, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I would just ask, particularly the people on the other side of the aisle, who like to talk about the orderly process of government, to take a look at what this Bill actually does. The Park District Board was created partly by the statutes exacted in this Body some 40 or 50 years ago; but, if you look at the section of the statute that this Bill will preempt, you will see that it did not go in effect until it was passed by a vote of the people within that district. That's right, Chapter 105-33.3.1, 2, 3, 4 and 5. Before it went into effect, this Body had the foresight and wisdom to ask the people within the city to vote, and the people voted that the Park District should be run by a Park Board, and that Board should be appointed by the Mayor. So, for no other reason, I would think that people who aren't caught up in the city hall politics, people who want to vote based on good government, people who want to vote based on the tradition in this House of trying to give people the chance to govern themselves, people who always oppose what is called a back-door referendum when we talk about a tax issue - well, Ladies and Gentlemen of this House, this is certainly back door. When this House enacted this statute, it was done by a vote of the people. I think some of the comments made by the previous speaker were laughable. He 143  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 27, 1986 136 Legislative Day talks about a mayor coming in and assuming immediate control; whereas, all of you know that this immediate control hasn't been assumed in almost four years. He talks about the Civil Service for all the good precinct captains. Well, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, there are 4,000 non-Civil Service employees at the Park District right now that this Bill would make automatic Civil Service. Now, I ask you, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, since these good precinct captains were put in under the powers to be at that time, why weren't they put in under Civil Service? They could have been made Civil Service a long time ago, except for little things like passing Civil Service exams, having qualifications for the job other than being an outstanding precinct captain. If these 4,000 employees were deserving of Civil Service stature, don't you think their friends who gave them the job would have made them Civil Service when they gave them to them, and they would have went through the normal procedures of becoming Civil Service that anyone else goes through? We talk about the current Superintendent. I would just remind you, Ladies and Gentlemen, that he's operating under a contract, a long term contract that was given to him by a lame duck Board. The Board that granted him the contract was not appointed by the Mayor of the City of Chicago and, therefore, was not supported by the majority of the citizens in the City of Chicago. I ask you again to look at the Bill, this Conference Committee Report. Chapter 105 right now, anyone who cares to look at it, the powers of the Superintendent are given in a paragraph that's one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine... nine lines in our current statute outline the powers and duties of the General Superintendent. And other than those nine lines, his job is to report to the Park District Board. This has been in 144  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 136 Legislative Day June 27, 1986 effect since 1934. I ask you to look at the Conference Committee Report. All 41 lines on page 23, and approximately 25 or 28 of the lines on page 22 deal with the new powers. The people in the City of Chicago, back when they voted to pass the Act regarding the Chicago Park District, thought the Superintendent should have the powers he currently has. In closing, Ladies and Gentlemen, I urge those not caught up in the partisan fight of Chicago to give a vote for good government, and I would think that it's appropriate that the weather outside is what it is - thundering and lightning. If this Bill pass, we may have thunder and lightning in this chamber for the remaining of the Session."

"The Parliamentarian will respond to the points of order raised by Mr. Young."

"On behalf of the Speaker, this Bill does not preempt home rule units and, therefore, require 60 votes. Rule 42 of the House provides that whenever a Bill does deny or limit home rule units, it be specifically set forth in the Bill. There is no place in this Bill where that is specifically set forth."

"Mr. Young. Mr. Young."

"It's my understanding, I do not see anything in the first part of the Bill that limits the emergency - what is it? - the Emergency Fiscal Board to non-home rule units. This Bill would require the Governor... or would allow the Governor or the Auditor General to go into any municipality in this city and create a Fiscal Emergency Board, and that Board would take control... I mean, any municipality in the state to... put in effect an Emergency Board, and that Board would have control over bonds, accounts receivables, the way bills would be paid, what taxes could and could not be authorized. And that certainly is a preemption of home 145  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 136 Legislative Day rule June 27, 1986 authority, unless there is something in this Bill, in the first part, that says it does not apply to home rule, which I haven't been able to find."

"On behalf of the Speaker, the provisions of the statutes and Rule 42 provide that if a Bill limit or deny home rule units' powers, it be specifically stated. Since it does not so specifically state, this Bill does not limit or deny home rule units and; therefore, it takes 60 votes for passage."

"Mr. Young."

"Then, is it the ruling of the Chair and the intent of the Body that if this Bill should pass, the Emergency Board Control requirements could not be imposed on a home rule unit without that home rule's permission?"

"Representative Braun."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I refer you, in response to Representative Young's parliamentary inquiry and the Parliamentarian's last statement, Section 8-81-2(b) sets out the intention of the General Assembly, which is to enact procedures, provide powers and impose restrictions to assure fiscal integrity of municipalities. And then it goes on to say in Sub... in Section (c), 'Unless otherwise indicated, the provisions of this division are supplemental to other provisions of law consistent with this division. The provisions of this division prevail (prevail) over such other provisions of law and the ordinance and resolutions of the municipality to the extent of any conflict or inconsistency between this division and such laws, ordinances, or resolutions.. Mr. Parliamentarian, that seems to me to be a fairly specific preemption of home rule under the provisions of the Constitution and; therefore, this Conference Committee Report should require 71 votes for passage." 146  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 27, 1986

136 Legislative Day Parliamentarian Pollak: "On behalf of the Speaker, the statutes and the rules which follow up that statute provide that no Bill limits or denies any power or function of the home rule unit unless there is specific language limiting or denying that power, and further that the language set forth in what manner and to what extent it is a limitation or a denial on a home rule unit. This Bill does not do so and, therefore, it takes 60 votes to pass."

"Representative Braun."

"Mr. Parliamentarian, insofar as the... as the... the Conference Committee Report is specific that it prevails in cases of inconsistency, then to the extent that that is a limitation on the authority of municipalities under the Constitution, it is a preemption. And, therefore, it would seem to me, again, it's a specific preemption as... as the language of this Section says. I mean, there's just no way you can get around that. The provisions of this division prevail over such other provisions. It is not a... across the board blanket preemption of all authority in this situation. But certainly with regard to those instances where there's a conflict between municipal local law and the provisions of this Conference Committee Report, the Report makes it clear that these provisions prevail, therefore, preempt home rule."

"Mr..."

"The... The Bills may provide... The Bill may provide limitations on certain municipalities, but because it does not follow the statute, nor our rules, it does not provide for a preemption or limitation of home rule units."

"Ladies and Gentlemen, if the Chair might suggest that we have pretty well discussed the question of the number of votes required to pass the Bill, I'd only 147  136 Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 27, 1986 offer my long ago experience as a delegate to the Constitutional Convention to say that the Park District is a special district, and it was never intended that special districts would be home rule units. Mr. Young."

"The Parliamentarian never answered my request as to the preemption. Chicago is certainly a home rule authority, and this preempts home rule in that it turns control of the park district away from the duly appointed Board and gives them to... whoever it gives them to in this statute. So it certainly does change Chicago's home rule power."

"But, Mr. Young, the Bill only deals with the legal entity, the Park District. I'm sorry."

"This Bill does not specifically limit or deny home rule units in accordance with our rules or the statutes, and accordingly, requires 60 votes."

"Representative Braun."

"Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Just for the record, it would be different if this Bill didn't just apply solely to the Chicago Park District. It clearly does not. There are two distinct, discreet Sections of this Conference Committee Report. After the first Section of the Conference Committee Report, the Section to which I previously referred you is a preemption of home rule of a municipality. It talks about fiscal emergencies; and, where there is conflict between this Conference Committee Report and local governments' rules regarding fiscal emergencies, the state law will prevail. That's a preemption, or it sounds like one to me, and I think that if you cannot divide... unless we are going to divide the two Sections of this Conference Committee Report into two separate Conference Committee Reports, the Parliamentarian's ruling has to apply to the entire Bill."

"Mr. Huff. Mr. Huff." 148  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 136 Legislative Day June 27, 1986

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. We may haggle over the legalities and the niceties of these Bills, but I want to address myself to the more mundane and perhaps more base implications in this measure. I don't believe, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, that any amount of rationale or solipsism is going to make this provision any less odious to the sensitivities of those who... whose sensitivities for fair play has been maligned. This is nothing more than a thinly veiled Machiavellian attempt to change the rules in the middle of the game, Mr. Speaker. And to you, young yonder prince, I would admonish that you may find yourself in a very nasty internecine affair, which will be mutually harmful for all parties involved. I don't understand what it does to profit a man or a Party to gain the whole world and lose his soul, for that is what is about to happen here. And for that million and a half people who have faithfully and slavishly provided the underpinning for the Democratic Party, may look at the Democratic ticket this fall with a particularly jaundiced eye. And who's to say that they might not make themselves willing planktons for the appetite of the whale. And I say, "Hail to the whale." Okay? All goodbyes don't mean gone, however. But just let me end by quoting the raven, *Nevermore, Mr. Speaker, nevermore.."

"Representative Rice."

"First, I want to thank all the folks around here who sent me cards when I had a heart attack, because I'm about to have another one, so get your cards out. I am... I am... I'm going back in a little history. We'll let the legal minds do the legal things. For in 1964, when the late Richard J. Daley recognized that the Park District wasn't dealing totally fairly with the new folks who moved south 149  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASS EMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 136 Legislative Day June 27, 1986 of 67th Street, who left the ghetto between 12th Street and 67th, who had been used to Washington Park and Jackson Park and getting what they can, we moved into areas where we had the beautiful green trees in Foster Park or 'Halleran', Kennedy, Brainard. And yet, a series of parks out there where the good Irish folks rather move the damn Marquette Bank from 79th and Halsted Street West, and they decided that we were taxpayers, but we couldn't benefit from the extra services that we had seen the other folks use for years and years. So he created a department called the Commission on Youth Welfare, who yours truly served, ten wards. including yours, Mr. Speaker, the 13th. And we saw the services diminished from that of prince to vagabonds. And they decided that these were gang problems. Meantime, the green shubberies turned brown. The fertilizer men couldn't get around to clean out the trees so the... cleaning and feed the trees so they could continue to look as prosperous. The ponds, the... where the fish were, if you will, died. The local track meets that used to be held, the tennis courts that were kept up became places from play for folks to do wrong such as they did on Beverly Avenue. The park districts who sustained were that in Beverly Hills where Kennedy and over on Longwood Drive, because we couldn't get over there. We could buy the houses but they wouldn't allow US. They sent extra vanguards, extra policemen. Graver Park who wrote signs across the middle of the street, Niggers are Not Allowed." We own those houses now. Kelly knew this darn day was coming. And we're not talking about Harold Washington be the Mayor. Things have changed. Things have changed. They sold us those houses. We are paying those taxes. We are entitled to the services. If you could take this Conference Committee Report back and sit down and deal fair 150  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 136 Legislative Day June 27, 1986 and square and say since the locals have arrived, give them a part of the pie. Because that's what all this is about. And all you folks that don't live in Chicago think Harold is doing this and Harold is doing the other. I might get shot through the 'grease', but Harold is a politician. And that's what all of you are about. Yesterday, we sat and listened to folks talk about good government and we didn't need a pay raise. Today, you need a pay raise because you want to solidify the position of the General Superintendent so he can tell the man who's coming in to try to straighten it out what to do. So, it's double standards. Years ago, as a boy, the Chicago Park District had its own police unit. I wasn't old enough to go, but my dad said they raised hell about that. And they were automatically turned over to the City of Chicago's Police Department and they began to patrol those grounds. If we're good enough to protect the property of the Park District, why aren't we good enough to run the darn Park District? What's the problem? The problem is, we trying to take care our own. Now, I heard you talk about 4,000 precinct captains. If you go into some of those wards, it's not the precinct captains; it's the felons from the penal institutions that run it, and I'm not telling you hearsay. I'm telling you because I worked in the first ward. I've worked in them wards down there where those guys work. I'm 53 years old. I've been in the game. This is not something brand new that these young folks are talking about. It's a haven for whoever the politician wants to send in from the certain select wards. At Ada Park in my district, which is... has only... in the White Park... that's the name of it. It's not an ethnic name. It's called 'White'. Those particular parks, old line parks, know what's going on. Three weeks ago, I asked the florist people at Marquette Park, could 151  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 136 Legislative Day June 27, 1986 they send some palms out to set up last Saturday for a community affair. Forgive me, Brother Speaker. They told me I had to see you. That was in Marquette Park. I still didn't get the palms. Long's Florists, left here last Thursday night, had to go by a funeral after they buried that man to get the palms to be out there Saturday. If it wasn't for Brookins and the CatholicS... the Catholic cemetery at 85th and Pulaski gave me the green. The point is the game that's being played is new. Give us a chance. Thank you."

"Mr. Brookins."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In baseball, in business, in any well-run organizations, when something go wrong, the person responsible is the man at the top, in this case, the Park Superintendent. And I know that there was a change in the guard last week or two weeks ago, and I know that there must have been a mistake made because they did not fire the Superintendent as they should have. That should have been the first move was that he got his walking papers. So, that was a mistake. But we felt, in my area, south side of the City of Chicago, that we would have a fair chance to clean up our parks, to have good parks, places that the young people can go and play or the senior citizens can go and relax, and here we're back in the same situation. Here we're talking about taking these incompetent people who's been running the Park District for 30 years and shortchanging the neighborhood parks for the sake of the downtown parks, taking from the poor and giving to the rich and making these people Civil Service and keeping them in the game. It's wrong, it's wrong, it's wrong. We're talking about changing the entire rules of the game because it has been discovered that their game plan or that the present game plan will not work. This is wrong. This is 152  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 136 Legislative Day June 27, 1986 wrong. And you should not do that in this Body. This is a high and noble Body. We have prevented from three years from these wars to come here to Springfield. Ladies and Gentlemen, they have now arrived on this day. They have now arrived. Do not do this. Do not change the rules of the game in the middle of the game."

"Representative Alexander."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. To my fellow colleagues, and especially to the Sponsor of that portion of the Conference Committee that is offensive to the prior speakers, in making all employees of the Park District Civil Service at this time, should this legislation pass, I am curious and I wonder, why haven't they became Civil Service all of these years? If they were such highly-qualified, duly-needed employees, why haven't they been made classified Civil Service employees? Why does it take this kind of legislation to all of a sudden, right now, all persons now become Civil Service? This is a ruse. And I want to say to those of you who don't believe in this kind of action to vote "no". And to all others who believe that this is a just kind of act, that this will destroy the Democratic Party in the City of Chicago."

"Mr. Levin."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. My district is on the north lakefront of Chicago. The people in my district were the swing vote in the last mayoral election. The people in my district, I've got to say, are tired of the infighting in the City Council, the noise, the din. But we have been able to keep that noise and that din out of this Body for three years, and it should stay out of this body. The newspapers in Chicago editorialized for three years that it was unfair to keep the appointments of the Mayor of the City of Chicago 153  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 136 Legislative Day June 27, 1986 bottled up, and we finally got those appointments out. And it is unfair at this point in time to change the rules. There will be an opportunity next spring for the people of the City of Chicago to make the determination, if they think that the changes that have occurred with respect to the Park District and the other changes are fair or not. Leave it to the people of the City of Chicago. Keep the politics of Chicago out of Springfield. I urge a 'no' vote on this Conference Committee Report."

"Mr. Harris."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, logic, as we all know, is not the operative force in this chamber. Politics is the operative force, and there's nothing inherently wrong with that. So, apparently, the political arrangements have been made and maybe the skids are greased on this particular Bill. But nonetheless, it's appropriate, I think, to make a couple of remarks. I come from the suburbs of Chicago and I'm involved, at least in going into the City of Chicago, enjoying what is a great world-class city and the benefits that it has. And three years ago, the people in the City of Chicago held an election and they elected Harold Washington Mayor. Now, I happen to think they made a mistake. I happen to think they chose the wrong person, but nonetheless, they elected Harold Washington Mayor and Harold Washington deserves just as much a chance to fall flat on his face because he is mismanaging the City, if you believe that's what he is doing, as every other Mayor in the history of the City of Chicago. He deserves the opportunity to make mistakes and for the people in the City of Chicago to recognize that he's making mistakes and to throw him out of office at the first possible opportunity, which is my estimation what they should do. This removes the opportunity, it seems to 154  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 136 Legislative Day June 27, 1986 me, for the people to judge him fairly, to recognize whether he is doing good or ill for the City and to judge how they are going to vote for him in the next election. As a matter of fact, in my opinion, if we pass this, you are virtually assuring that Harold Washington is going to win the next election. Several years ago, the City of Cleveland elected a young punk alderman, 29 year-old young fellow as their mayor. He did a disastrous job in the management of that city. Its bond rating plummeted. It was terrible. You know something? The people out there recognized that he was making a mistake. The people out there recognized that what he was doing was ruining their city. And do you know what they did? They recalled him. They had a special election and they threw him out of office. I'm willing to bet that if we give the current Mayor of the City of Chicago the fair opportunity to run the City the way we have given that opportunity to every other Mayor, he's going to make those mistakes. It's no longer going to be the type of city, world-class city that it was when he took office and the people are going to recognize that and they are going to turn him out of office. Now, that's somewhat convoluted logic, perhaps, on this Bill, but it's logic and I think it's accurate. I think he deserves that opportunity. This is an inappropriate forum to bring this matter before at this time. Injecting this highly-charged, political situation in the last closing minutes of the Session down here in Springfield is wrong, absolutely wrong. You know it as well as I do. But that's logical and logic isn't the operative force. All I can say is the right vote is a 'no' vote."

"Representative Braun."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. You know, there are times when 155  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 136 Legislative Day June 27, 1986 conscience follows logic and I think I can't say any more than Representative Harris and some of the previous other speakers have said. Everybody in this room knows that this is a power grab. Everybody in this room knows that it is a continuation of the warfare that we have seen in the City of Chicago and, frankly, that to the credit of this Speaker and the Members of this House, hasn't really infected our operation down here that much in the past three years. But to take away from this Mayor, to hold up the symbol and the flag of unfairness, to hold up the symbol and the flag that this General Assembly has no problem with terrorist tactics, has no problem with a coup d'etat, has no problem taking sides in a fight that I think the people of the City of Chicago thought they resolved three years ago, would be a real travesty. I urge your "no" vote on this... on this Conference Committee Report without regard to the politics, without regard to whether or not the flag is going up to tell not only the black citizens in the City of Chicago, the Hispanic citizens in the City of Chicago and the white citizens in the City of Chicago who elected Harold Washington, but reform-minded people throughout this State of Illinois to walk away from the Democratic Party, to say to the Democratic Party, 'This time is one time too many, and we will no longer continue to sit idly by and continue to be taken advantage of, disrespected and stripped of that which we thought was ours by the operation of the Democratic rules of the game. I encourage your "no" vote on this Conference Committee Report."

"Mr. Farley, to close."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. We have been on this Conference Committee Report approximately two hours. I don't want to take up any more time of the House. The points that I have made should be 156  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 136 Legislative Day June 27, 1986 taken to heart when you vote. I know that it's good for those people that are not protected by Civil Service. I also know that the traditional duties that are... the general superintendents will now be identified by statute because the Park District is a product of this Legislature. We are... We are doing something to take a power struggle away from a disastrous situation that happened in the City Council. We are clarifying what our intentions is, what the intentions of the people of the State of Illinois is, and I'm not interfering or this Conference Committee Report does not interfere with the Mayor, his appointment power. It just clarifies what I have indicated earlier and I would appreciate an 'aye" vote."

"The question is, 'Shall the House adopt the First Conference Committee Report on House Bill 3549?* Those in favor of the adoption of the Report will signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no". Mr. Young, if you wish the Oral Verified Roll Call, you can have it. I can assure you that if you simply request a verification, you'll get your verification. Whatever your choice is. Mr. Young. Gentleman requests an Oral Verified Roll Call and he is supported by the requisite number. Mr. Clerk, take the Oral Verified Roll Call. For what purpose does Mr. Johnson... thank you. Mr. Clerk, take the Roll Call."

"Alexander. Alexander votes "no". Barger. Barger votes 'no". Barnes. Barnes, pass. Berrios."

"Mr. Berrios."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Assembly, there have been a lot of discussion here tonight over this Conference Committee Report, but the one thing that we are overlooking is that there are over 2000 minorities that work for the Park Districts and we are giving them the opportunity to be safeguarded under the Civil Service 157  136 Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 27, 1986 procedures and that's the reason I'm voting 'aye'."

"Berrios, 'aye'. Black. Black, 'no". Bowman. Bowman, pass. Braun. Braun, "no". Breslin. Breslin, *present'. Brookins. Brookins, "no". Brunsvold. Brunsvold, 'aye'. Bullock. Bullock, pass. Capparelli. Capparelli, "aye". Christensen. Christensen, "present". Churchill. Churchill, 'aye'. Countryman. Countryman, 'no'. Cowlishaw. Cowlishaw, 'no'. Cullerton. Cullerton, *aye'. Curran. Curran, pass. Currie. Currie, 'no". Daley. Daley, aye. Daniels. Daniels, "aye". Davis. Davis, 'no". DeJaegher."

"Mr. DeJaegher."

"Explanation of my vote, Mr. Speaker. I came to this General Assembly a few short years ago. This is probably going to be my most difficult vote that I have made in this General Assembly, but when I arrived and attended various Sessions, most of those people that had been here a long time before I basically said, when you extend your word to an individual, that word should be paramount on what you vote for. I gave my assurance that I would be voting for, and I have always been a firm believer that my word is my bond, and due to the commitments I made beforehand, I vote 'green'."

"DeJaegher, 'aye'. DeLeo. DeLeo, 'aye'. Deuchler. Deuchler, 'no'. Didrickson. Didrickson, 'no". Dunn. Dunn, pass. Ewing. Ewing, 'aye'. Farley. Farley, aye". Flinn. Flinn, aye'. Flowers. Flowers, 'no'. Virginia Frederick. Virginia Frederick, no. Dwight..."

"Mr. Clerk. Mr. Clerk. Mr. Clerk, the Chair recognizes Mr. Bowman."

"I wish to be recorded as 'no' on this Bill."

"Proceed, Mr. Clerk." 158  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 136 Legislative Day

Clerk O'Brien "Dwight Friedrich. June 27, 1986 Dwight Friedrich, 'aye'. Giglio. Giglio, aye. Giorgi. Giorgi, 'aye'. Goforth. Goforth. 'aye'. Greiman. Greiman, present. Hallock. Hallock, 'aye". Hannig. Hannig, "aye". Harris. Harris, 'no'. Hartke. Hartke, pass. Hasara. Hasara, "no". Hastert. Hastert, "no". Hawkinson. Hawkinson, "no". Hensel. Hensel, 'no'. Hicks. Hicks, 'aye". Hoffman. Hoffman, 'aye. Homer. Homer, aye". Huff. Huff, "no". Johnson. Johnson, 'aye". Keane. Keane, aye". Kirkland. Kirkland, "no". Klemm. Klemm, 'aye'. Koehler. Koehler, "no". Krska. Krska, aye'. Kubik. Kubik, 'no". Kulas. Kulas, 'aye'. Laurino. Laurino, 'aye*. LeFlore. LeFlore, 'no". Leverenz. Leverenz, pass. Levin. Levin, 'no'. Martinez, 'aye'. Matijevich. Martinez. Matijevich, 'aye". Mautino. Mautino, 'aye". Mays. Mays, 'aye'. McAuliffe. McAuliffe, 'no'. McCracken, excused. McGann. McGann, 'aye". McNamara. McMaster. McNamara, 'no'. Mulcahey. Mulcahey, pass."

McPike. Speaker Madigan: "Chair recognizes Mr. McPike." McMaster, pass. AcPike, pass.

"McPike, 'aye'. Nash. Nash, pass. O'Connell. O'Connell, *aye'. Olson. Olson, "no". Panayotovich. Panayotovich, aye'. Pangle. Pangle. pass. Parcells. Parcells, "no". Parke. Parke, 'no". Pedersen. 'aye'. W. Peterson. W. B. Pedersen. B. Peterson. 'aye'. Phelps. Phelps, pass. Piel. Piel, 'aye". Preston."

"Mr. Preston."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. In explaining my vote, one of the previous speakers during debate talked about a... that some time ago there was a machine in City Hall politics and today there is reform in City Hall politics. I want to point out, and I think it has to be said, that there... no administration, 159  136 Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 27, 1986 past or present, had a monopoly on corruption. No city administration, past or present, has a monopoly or had a monopoly on reform and no administration, past or present, has or has... had or has a monopoly on power grabs. We have seen examples of that in previous administrations and we have certainly seen examples of that in the present administration. What this is about is where a second in command was put in, not as Superintendent to the Park District, but as second in command and given all the powers of the Superintendent. That's wrong. That's wrong at the Park District. That would be wrong at other entities. We have seen that tried elsewhere in the City of Chicago. A number two person, at one time, was put in in the Law Department at the Chicago Transit Authority. There was a outcry from City Hall and from elsewhere. That was wrong and it was reversed. It would be wrong if the City Council in Chicago made an attempt to put in a Deputy Mayor of the City of Chicago and give that Deputy Mayor the powers of the Mayor of the City of Chicago. That would be wrong and that ought not happen. It is also wrong to put in someone in second in command at any park district and to give that second in command the powers of the person who, by law, is first in command. Representative Brookins was correct. If you didn't want Mr. Kelly as the Superintendent of the Chicago Park District, he should have been fired. That was not done. That was not what the Board saw fit to do. Then he should, if he's not going to be fired, he is the Superintendent, under a lawful contract, he should be Superintendent. If you... You can't have it both ways and you can't separate the Chicago Park District from every other entity of government in this state. Finally, the ludicrous issue of the Civil Service employees. All of a sudden, it is now reform government to not want Civil 160  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 136 Legislative Day June 27, 1986 Service employees. Every government in this country is waving the flag of reform by saying we're making all our employees Civil Service. The Mayor of the City of Chicago, before he was Mayor of the City of Chicago, waved that same flag. We don't want patronage employees. We want Civil Service employees. We don't want hiring and firing and promotions under a patronage system. It ought to be under a Civil Service System. That is what this Conference Committee Report does. Yes, it's changing the rules. That's what we do every time we pass any legislation here is we change the rules. But this isn't unfair. What is unfair is why this Conference Committee Report came about; that it came about because the number two man was put in without a single day's experience in recreation. Keep that in mind. Without one single day's experience in recreation, he was put in and given the powers to operate one of the largest park districts in the world and that's reform. I submit that's not reform and I'm voting 'aye'."

"The Chair recognizes Mr. Leverenz."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'd like to be recorded as voting 'aye'."

"Mr. Clerk, proceed with the Roll Call."

"Preston votes 'aye'. Pullen. Pullen, 'aye'. Rea. Rea, 'aye'. Regan. Regan, 'no'. Rice. Rice, 'no'. Richmond. Richmond, 'aye'. Ronan. Ronan, 'aye'. Ropp. Ropp, 'aye'. Ryder. Ryder, 'aye'. Saltsman. Saltsman, 'aye'. Satterthwaite. Satterthwaite, 'no'. Shaw. Shaw, 'no'. Slater. Slater, 'aye'. Stange. Stange, 'aye'. Steczo. Steczo, 'aye'. Stephens. Stephens, 'aye'. Stern. Stern, 'no'. Sutker. Sutker, 'no'. Tate. Tate, 'aye'. Terzich. Terzich, 'aye'. Tuerk. Tuerk, 'aye'. Turner. Turner, 'no'. Van Duyne. Van Duyne, 'aye'. Vinson. Vinson, 'aye'. Wait. Wait, 'aye'. Washington. 161  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 136 Legislative Day Washington, "no". Weaver. Weaver, 'aye'. "no". Williamson. Williamson, "no". June 27, 1986 White. White, Wojcik. Wojcik, "no". Wolf. Wolf, aye. Anthony Young. Anthony Young, "no". Wyvetter Younge. Wyvetter Younge, 'no". Zwick."

"Recognize Mrs. Zwick."

"Thank you. Mr. Speaker, I'd like to vote 'no'."

"Zwick, 'no". Mr. Speaker."

""Present". Chair recognizes Mr. Curran."

"Mr. Speaker, when all this started, I wasn't sure how I was going to vote. As I see it, there are two parts to the decision here. One is the part in terms of practicality and one is the part in terms of principle. When you look at practicality, you look at who you can afford to be with and who you can afford to have be against you for the rest of this Session and maybe some other Sessions. When you look at the side on principle, I have one basic problem with this Report. My basic problem with this Report is I am a human being who walks in this door with self-esteem. and this Report and the arguments presented in favor of it deny me, I think, and deny the people who are green up there, I think, of their self-esteem. I think we have been insulted by this Report. I want to tell you something, however - don't smile, speaking now to Representative Braun - I think Harold Washington deserves this. I don't think the guy understands how to play ball at all, but this Report is an insult and I vote 'no'."

"Mr. Mulcahey."

"Record me as voting 'aye', Mr. Speaker."

"Record Mr. Mulcahey as 'aye'. Ms... Representative Barnes."

"I'd like to be recorded 'no'."

"Record Representative Barnes as 'no'. Mr. Phelps." 162  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE

136 Legislative Day Phelps: "Mr. Speaker, vote me 'no', please."

"Record McMaster." McMaster: June 27, 1986 Mr. Phelps as 'no'. Representative "Thank you, Mr. Speaker and all of you Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I think one thing that we are considering here tonight is patronage versus Civil Service. I happen to know that patronage has worked well for politicians in the past. I happen to also believe that Civil Service is perhaps the fairest method of having employees, whether it be state employees or park district employees. I happen to know Harold Washington very well. I consider Harold a very good friend of mine. The question that we have here is not necessarily who is in favor of patronage versus Civil Service or who isn't. I feel quite sure that if Harold Washington had all of his employees in the Park District, he would, in all probability support making them Civil Service employees. So, really, the problem becomes who has the employees at the time you switch from patronage to Civil Service. This is what the problem is. And I guess I would not have to vote tonight. I know you all understand that. The votes are there. This is passed, but I think that I am not going to be making very many more votes down here, but I think in this case, I want to make one. And I want to make my vote, not in support of any individual's employees in the City of Chicago. I want to make my vote because I favor the Civil Service type of employment. That is why I am voting 'yes', and I am voting 'yes'."

"Yes, Mr. Hartke."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. This afternoon, I was approached on this issue early, and I told the Sponsors of the issue that we have discussed all evening that I would give it very careful consideration and that I would listen 163  STATE OF ILLINOIS 84th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 136 Legislative Day June 27, 1986 to the debate and I felt that his presentation of the issue was very good and I could go along with that. Then later on this afternoon, I was approached by the other side. And they, too, have some very deep concerns, very good issues. After listening to the debate this evening, I think that both sides are right and both sides are wrong. The timing is bad. We have heard horror stories from both sides on what's going to happen. The issue is not one that affects me directly downstate. It's a Chicago issue, but yet, I was sent down here to make decisions. In agreeing with Mr. DeJaegher, we go on principle and I said I would listen. And I do believe that the Civil Service System is a good system. but yet I believe that the timing is not the best, but the Civil Service System is still good. So, I'm going to have to vote "yes"."

"Does anyone else seek recognition? Mr. Clerk, take the record. There are 62 'ayes', 47 'nos'. This Conference Committee Report, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby adopted and the underlying Bill is hereby declared passed. The Chair recognizes Mr. Greiman for the Adjournment Motion to 10:00 a.m. tomorrow morning. Does the Clerk require any perfunctory time? Mr. Clerk, do you require any perfunctory time? Okay. The Motion is that the House stand adjourned until 10:00 a.m. tomorrow morning. Those in favor say 'aye', those opposed say 'no'. The 'ayes' have it, the Motion is adopted. The Chair recognizes Representative Braun."

"Thank you very much..." 164  09/26/86 15:33 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES DAILY TRANSCRIPTION OF DEBATE INDEX JUNE 27, 1986 PAGE 1 HB-2976 CONCURRENCE PAGE 10 HB-2978 CONCURRENCE PAGE 11 HB-2979 CONCURRENCE PAGE 12 HB-2980 CONCURRENCE PAGE 13 HB-2981 CONCURRENCE PAGE 13 HB-2982 CONCURRENCE PAGE 14 HB-2983 CONCURRENCE PAGE 15 HB-2984 CONCURRENCE PAGE 15 HB-2986 CONCURRENCE PAGE 16 H3-2987 CONCURRENCE PAGE 17 HB-2988 CONCURRENCE PAGE 17 HB-2989 CONCURRENCE PAGE 18 HB-2990 CONCURRENCE PAGE 19 HB-2991 CONCURRENCE PAGE 19 HB-2992 CONCURRENCE PAGE 20 HB-2994 CONCURRENCE PAGE 20 HB-2995 CONCURRENCE PAGE 21 HB-2996 CONCURRENCE PAGE 22 HB-2997 CONCURRENCE PAGE 23 HB-2998 CONCURRENCE PAGE 23 HB-2999 CONCURRENCE PAGE 24 HB-3000 CONCURRENCE PAGE 24 HB-3001 CONCURRENCE PAGE 25 HB-3002 CONCURRENCE PAGE 26 HB-3003 CONCURRENCE PAGE 27 HB-3004 CONCURRENCE PAGE 28 HB-3006 CONCURRENCE PAGE 30 HB-3035 CONCURRENCE PAGE 30 HB-3050 CONCURRENCE PAGE 31 HB-3090 CONCURRENCE PAGE 32 HB-3091 CONCURRENCE PAGE 39 HB-3092 CONCURRENCE PAGE 49 HB-3093 CONCURRENCE PAGE 50 HB-3165 CONCURRENCE PAGE 50 HB-3187 CONCURRENCE PAGE 102 HB-3191 CONCURRENCE PAGE 51 HB-3257 CONCURRENCE PAGE 52 HB-3549 CONFERENCE PAGE 135 HB-3549 MOTION PAGE 131 S8-1517 CONCURRENCE PAGE 67 SB-1552 CONCURRENCE PAGE 5 SB-1565 CONCURRENCE PAGE 68 SB-1666 CONCURRENCE PAGE 9 SB-1698 CONCURRENCE PAGE 53 SB-1709 CONCURRENCE PAGE 69 SB-1737 CONCURRENCE PAGE 54 SB-1738 CONCURRENCE PAGE 55 SB-1751 CONCURRENCE PAGE 56 SB-1752 CONCURRENCE PAGE 59 SB-1753 CONCURRENCE PAGE 60 SB-1756 CONCURRENCE PAGE 60 SB-1758 CONCURRENCE PAGE 61 SB-1759 CONCURRENCE PAGE 62 SB-1763 CONCURRENCE PAGE 63 SB-1765 CONCURRENCE PAGE 63 SB-1770 CONCURRENCE PAGE 64 SB-1774 CONCURRENCE PAGE 65 SB-1778 CONCURRENCE PAGE 65 SB-1808 CONCURRENCE PAGE 66 SB-1841 CONCURRENCE PAGE 66 SB-2020 CONCURRENCE PAGE 7 SB-2129 CONCURRENCE PAGE 8 SB-2157 MOTION PAGE 95 HR-0665 RESOLUTION OFFERED PAGE 91 HR-1419 MOTION PAGE 105  09126/86 15:33 STATE OF ILLINOIS 84TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES DAILY TRANSCRIPTION OF DEBATE INDEX JUNE 27, 1986 PAGE 2 HR-1520 HOTION PAGE 109 HR-1520 RESOLUTION OFFERED PAGE 111 HJR-0127 RESOLUTION OFFERED PAGE 88 HJR-0164 RESOLUTION OFFERED PAGE 89 HJR-0164 OUT OF RECORD PAGE 90 HJR-0171 RESOLUTION OFFERED PAGE 94 HJR-0232 MOTION PAGE 120 HJR-0232 RESOLUTION OFFERED PAGE 123 HJR-0233 MOTION PAGE 124 HJR-0233 RESOLUTION OFFERED PAGE 125 SJR-0023 RESOLUTION OFFERED PAGE 94 SJR-0101 RESOLUTION OFFERED PAGE 70 SJR-0159 MOTION PAGE 126 SUBJECT MATTER HOUSE TO ORDER - REPRESENTATIVE BRESLIN PRAYER REVEREND ALVIN W. RODECK PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE ROLL CALL FOR ATTENDANCE AGREED RESOLUTIONS DEATH RESOLUTIONS GENERAL RESOLUTIONS HOUSE IN RECESS HOUSE RECONVENES SPEAKER MADIGAN IN CHAIR ADJOURNMENT PAGE 1 PAGE 1 PAGE 1 PAGE 1 PAGE 2 PAGE 3 PAGE 3 PAGE 103 PAGE 103 PAGE 131 PAGE 164