Illinois House Floor Debate — November 6, 1987

"The hour of ten o'clock having arrived, the House will come to order. Members will be in their seats. Our guests in the gallery are invited to rise and pray with us. The Chaplain for today will be Father Kevin Vann, assistant Pastor of Blessed Sacrament Catholic Church of Springfield. Father Vann is the guest of Representative Michael Curran."

"Let us listen to the words of Psalm 98. Sing to the Lord a new song, for He has done wondrous deeds. The Lord has revealed to the nations His saving power. Let us see Your saving power today, Oh Lord, so that it may guide us in our decisions. And guided by Your truth and Your power, may we also sing of Your love and Your strength for us in our work for the people whom we serve. Amen."

"We will be led in the pledge today by Representative Hasara."

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

"Roll Call for attendance. Are there any excused absences on the Republican side of the aisle, Mr. McCracken?"

"No."

"Representative Matijevich?"

"Yes, Madam Speaker. Let the record reflect the excused absence of Speaker Madigan due to a death in the family and Representative Rice due to illness."

"Thank you. Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. There are 115 people answering the roll call. A quorum is present. Ladies and Gentlemen, Representative Wennlund is going to make an introduction. 1  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day November 6, 1987 Would his guest please come to the podium?"

"Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, thank you very much for giving me this opportunity and the pleasure to introduce Eric Thomassini from Cannes, France. He's a guest of a good friend of mine, Cosmo Machicha (sic) and his son Jason and his wife Cathy, from my district. Eric is delighted to be here and he would like to say a few words to you this morning. Eric."

"Hi. I'm....I'm Eric Thomassini. I live in France. I am an exchange student for the school year in the.... High School in New Lenox. I just want to say that I am very glad to stay one year here in America. That it will be a very great challenge for me. That I enjoy very much this trip in Springfield. That I will thank very much Mister Larry Wennlund to extend the permission to me to be here and to explain me..... here in the House of the Representative. I wish to thank, too, Mister Madigan to allow me to be here and to speak... Thank you."

"Ladies and Gentlemen, it is the intention of the Chair to begin on the Regular Calendar on page 3 on the order of Total Veto motions. Total Veto Motions. Representative Davis, you have the first motion. It is Senate Bill 670. Read the motion, Mr. Clerk."

"I move that the House concur with the Senate in the passage of Senate Bill 670, the veto of the Governor notwithstanding."

"Representative Davis."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the Assembly, we're asking that the personal care assistants who assist the developmentally disabled, who help the elderly to get on with their lives, we're asking that they be pald on a twice per month basis, rather than once per month. We feel by keeping these workers we are also 2  82nd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE November 6, 1987 helping those who are developmentally disabled get up in the morning, get dressed, get in their wheelchairs and go on to their jobs. Many of them we've seen down here in Springfield. Also, these workers help the elderly stay out of nursing homes because they are there to do chores for them that the seniors cannot do for themselves. We ask for an override of this veto."

"The Lady has moved to override the Governor's veto of Senate Bill 670, and on that question the Gentleman from DuPage, Representative McCracken."

"Parliamentary inquiry, Madam Speaker."

"State your inquiry."

"Madam Speaker, on your Regular Calendar you have two Total Veto Motions relating to Bills which had already been voted upon. There are other Total Veto Motions apparently relating to still further Bills that are...have been previously voted on. Now I believe these Total Veto Motions are improper and I think the proper way to bring this back for a second vote is not by merely filing. if that was done, a successive motion, but to move to reconsider the vote by which the override motion lost in the first place and I move on a point of order that this is out of order for that reason. And I would also comment to the Chair that this use of Supplemental Calendars in conjunction with the Daily Calendar, particularly, when you have every reason to know what should be appearing on the Daily Calendar is a very abusive process. I don't know why only two Democratic motions appear under Total Veto Motions and why those two had already been voted upon and are now brought back for a second vote. Ours have not been voted...ours have not been brought back for second votes and apparently they're shuffled off onto a second Calendar so you don't have to do all of the Total Veto motions. Now 3  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day November 6, 1987 if you're going to call Bills a second time and you are going to rule that my motion... or my point of order is not correct, the least you can do is put them all on a Calendar and call them in order."

"Representative McCracken, can you tell me what Total Veto Motions have been filed that are not on this Calendar? The Chair is not aware of any."

"1226."

Speaker Breslin" "Is that a House Bill or a Senate Bill?"

"Senate Bill."

"Senate Bill 1226."

"Was voted upon yesterday."

"And a motion was filed? No new motion was filed according to the Clerk, Sir. What else?"

"I'm saying that refiling successive motions is not the correct way to do it."

"Okay. That is your point of order, but you are certainly not indicating to this House that people have filed motions that have not been properly put on the Calendar. Correct? There aren't any other Bills."

"There aren't any other motions."

"Okay. Representative McCracken, we have considered your point of order and we disagree that the only method that a Member could use to have their motion considered again is a motion to reconsider. Under the rules there is no prohibition against filing a motion again. We have in the past stated that that was the common procedure. Either is acceptable to the membership and the only time that the refiling of a motion itself, we believe, would be considered out of order would be when the Chair determines that it is dilatory. We have not had that presented to us at this time, so we really don't think that that's the appropriate way to proceed. I understand from 4  82nd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE November 6, 1987 Representative Davis that she refiled the motion because she thought there was a different understanding on the Bill and at this time she's going to take it out of the record to clarify that understanding. So that the Members know, if you have lost on a motion you have two avenues to have that motion reconsidered. One is by refiling, one is by filing a motion to reconsider or making a motion to reconsider. You have to file, of course, an intent to make that motion on the same day that the motion originally lost, under our rules. So. Representative Davis, we will take this Bill out of the record with the commitment to come back to it at your request. Representative Ropp, for what reason do you rise?"

"Yes, Madam Chairman. A question of the Chair."

"State your question."

"In part with what you have said, I think I can recall several instances where in the past several years we have done exactly as you have ruled. My question, which I think is even more serious is, why do we have SO dang many Supplemental Calendars in the last two or three days of the Veto Session, if in fact...we get Supplemental Calendars even before we convene. It seems like it would be so much simpler for the leadership that seems to be in power, which obviously they're trying to confuse everybody by having so many Supplemental Calendars, if we just had one. And I really see no logic at all in why you even have to print a Regular Calendar if we've got so dang many Supplementals. What is your response?"

"Representative Ropp, your question is understandable, if you are not in charge of the operation. In this kind of a situation, we are shuffling paper between the House and the Senate. You notice in a Regular Session we have very. very, very few Supplemental Calendars. 5  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day November 6, 1987 However, when we get towards the end and we're going to Conference Committee Reports, as Bills are moving between the Houses, we come out with Supplementals quickly so that people can have their Bills considered and move them back into a Conference Committee or over to the Senate, whatever is necessary. That is what is happening now. We have many Bills moving between the Houses as to Conference Committee Reports, et cetera, and we have a very short period of time in which to deal with them. So in an ordinary term, when a Bill passes this House we can wait until it gets on the Senate calendar for two and three weeks. Today we can't. Today we only have one more day before we adjourn until January, so it's in order to do the business that is before us that we print the Supplementals and get it before us immediately."

"I think you're absolutely right for today, Madam Chairman. but when we had one week delay from the time we met previous to this week, we had a whole week delay from the time the House met, the Senate met and that very first day. after having a whole week to get all the way from the Senate over to the House, we still had 5 or 6 Supplemental Calendars on that very first day."

"Ah, but the other Body had been operating for a few hours at that time, so they came in and did work, SO they had to send things to us and we sent things to them."

"I've never seen the Senate operate before us any time. I mean. that's just uncalled...they just don't do that. I know that's not true."

"Okay. Representative McCracken, for what reason do you rise?"

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. I would like just to clarify the record on this point. On today's Supplemental Calendar, House Bills Second Reading, appears 1416. 1416 6  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day November 6, 1987 was on a Supplemental yesterday and may even have been on the Regular Calendar or a Supplemental, Wednesday. 485 was on yesterday on a Supplemental Calendar. 1229 on non-concurrence was out yesterday. 1377 was out yesterday. Madam Speaker, you are doing this so that you can take the call as you pick and choose it. You are not doing it because business in the other House forces you to do so. And we're calling upon you to conduct the business of this House in the same manner that it is conducted in the Senate. In the Senate they have one Calendar, even though you've got Bills coming over from the House. A single Calendar and they never deviate from it. They go through chronological and subject matter order. They don't find the need for all these Supplemental Calendars. Now apparently you don't want to call Senate Bill 1520, which is now on Second Reading with approximately 75 Amendments. So rather than put it in the Calendar under its proper heading, you put it on a Supplemental so you can skip around it if you wish. 1470, which is on Third Reading, House Bill Third...from the Third Reading is on the Regular Calendar. Now you're...or it's a Senate Bill, excuse me. Now you take something off of Senate Bills Third Reading, 485, so you don't have to deal with both of them if you don't wish to. It isn't done because there's other business that forces you to do so. It's done so that you can move at your will, without objection, anywhere you please. Not only can we not follow it, you can't even follow it. Gary LaPaille's up there whispering in your ear, go here, go there, do this, do that. And certainly the public can't follow it. No public participant could follow this. Do you know, in the Senate yesterday, Madam Speaker, if people wanted to go watch the debate on the veto override they could tell that it was 3 or 4 Bills away, 7  82nd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE November 6, 1987 because it was in the Calendar and the Calendar is being honored in the Senate. So people went over there and it was called when it was supposed to be called. Now you tell us, why do we have all these Supplemental Calendars? It is not merely because the two Houses are in operation at the same time. Call everything on the Calendar under the subject matter or don't call it, but don't jump around."

"I just got a phone call from Mr. LaPaille. He wants to clarify the record. He does not whisper in my ear anymore. Ladies and Gentlemen. I would like to clarify the schedule for those of you who are interested in when and if you are going home this evening. This is the plan. The four Legislative Leaders are meeting at this moment with the Governor. They are trying, obviously, to work out a compromise on the expenditure of state dollars. When that meeting adjourns, they will come back to both Houses and we will then proceed to a caucus of both sides. That will probably take a couple of hours, so we envision that this meeting will probably take an hour to two hours with the Governor. Then we will come back in caucus that will take an hour to two hours, depending on what is decided by caucuses. There will be time necessary to print whatever Bills will be decided upon. So, you should not plan to leave here before six o'clock in the evening at the earliest. We think it will take a substantial amount of time, but we are doing everything we can to be sure that we go home today and do not have to wait over until tomorrow. So that is what is anticipated. You should plan accordingly. The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Cullerton, for what reason do you rise?"

"Yes, I heard a lot of yelling over there and I just wondered what the problem was. Could you summarize what it is that the..." 8  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day

November 6, 1987 "Forget it. Representative Cullerton. We're finished with that."

"Oh. I see. Is everything okay then with Representative McCracken?"

"Everything's okay now. The Gentleman from Perry, Representative Goforth, for what reason do you rise?"

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. I know one of our newest Members over here is very happy if we'd stay here till about eleven o'clock tonight. He thinks it's good for his business."

"Representative Ewing, for reason do you rise?"

"Madam Speaker, a couple of inquiries of the Chair. First, when does the first meeting start?"

"The first meeting was to start at ten o'clock. I think it was a few minutes late, it would be closer to ten-thirty, so it really just began."

"So that's the first meeting on which we're all going to rotate. The axis upon which our world will turn today."

"At the moment."

"Madam Speaker, you always are so courteous and so nice and so stoic in the Chair, but I'm not sure that you answered Representative McCracken in regard to....You did answer him about the whispering and I'm glad Gary came out. but did you answer him about why we're having all these Supplemental Calendars and can we expect to get one full Calendar for today?"

"No, Sir. We can't possibly have one full Calendar for today. That Calendar is already printed."

"I know, but they....they are, I'm sure, printing all these Supplementals. Why don't they just put it all in one and bring it out and let's do it. We could start on Senate Bill 1520 now and put all your side's Amendments on. I 9  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day mean, why don't we go to that and do it?"

November 6, 1987 "Because the Chair doesn't wish to go to that and do it. The Chair doesn't intend to vote for all of those Amendments, Sir."

"But, Madam Speaker, it's here on the Calendar. Are you telling me that we are never going to get to 1520?"

"We may, Sir, but as you know, from having been on both sides of the Majority and Minority sides..." "I've only been on this side. I've never been on the other side." Ewing:

"But you have served in the Majority as well. You know that under the rules, the Speaker has the right to go to those items on the Calendar to which he sees fit and we don't wish to go to that item on the Calendar at this time and don't intend to. No matter how much the Minority wants us to."

"But couldn't that hold us up in getting out of here? I mean, certainly we want to do Senator the President of the Senate."

Rock's Bill. He's Speaker Breslin: "The object is not to hold anybody up. The object is to get us out as quickly and as expeditiously possible and still do the people's business." as

"No. But not to... just respectfully to you, Madam Speaker, I think the object down here is not to do the Speaker's bidding, not to do the Majority Leader's bidding, but to do the people's work and I don't see if we don't go to these Bills that we're doing the people's work. There's some important Amendments on 1520."

"I agree. I will convey your message to the Speaker and the Majority Leader."

"The Speaker, he isn't back though, is he?"

Speaker Breslin: "Not yet. No, Sir. It was all worked out till you raised it up again. Representative Matijevich, for 10  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day what reason do you rise?"

November 6, 1987 "I am satisfied with all of the clarifications except the whispering in the ear. Would you clarify the 'anymore?"

"That was for Chris' benefit. Representative Piel. Does the Gentleman seek recognition? Yes, Sir."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Tell you what we could probably do. We could alleviate this problem completely. Instead of, you know, one person saying that you're jumping around the Calendar, you're saying that you're not. Why don't you give us about 5 or 10 Bills in a row, exactly where you're going to go, then we'll have some idea of where we're going to go and what we could do is just go on to the...seeings as you...there's such a big question about the Supplemental, we only have 2, 4, 6, 7. Why don't we just go right down the Supplemental, take everything there? And then you've got that completely done and then we can throw that in the garbage can, we've got so much paper on our desks now as it is. And then we can just go to the Regular Calendar and say listen we're going to do amendatorys, then we're going to do totals, and then we've got an idea of where we're going to go. I mean, this is for...not just for our sake. You know, Representative Kulas and the Mushroom Brigade, you know, would like to know where we're going too, because they don't like being kept in the dark."

"I appreciate your suggestion and when I began this morning, I told you we're going to page 3 on the Calendar and we are starting at the top of Total Veto Motions, we're going to do all of those..."

"Well, there we're wrong again, Madam Speaker, you know, because it wasn't page 3, it was page 2, see."

"No Sir, it's page 3." 11  82nd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE November 6, 1987

"No, you started with Representative Davis' Bill, which was...oh, you want to go with the motions, you don't want to go through each one individually."

"That's all I can call, Sir, are the motions."

"Okay. Well, you said you want to hit Total Vetoes, which starts on page 2."

"And after that I'm going to do the Amendatory Veto Motions."

"Okay. So, we're going to hit 670, 834. SO we can write these down, then we're going to go to 1113, that's three...where are we after three?"

"I haven't made that decision yet."

"Could you let us know? You said...I said 5 or 10 Bills and you shook your head yes, that that was a great idea. I mean. I very seldom come up with great ideas, you know... I mean I've come up with one and you agree with me and we'd like to, you know, not go... just stop at three."

"That was as far as I've gone SO far, Representative Piel. Representative Klemm, for what reason do you rise?"

"Well, I want to thank you for your clarification, that...that all these Bills that we worked hard on is at the whim of the Chair, when we're going to call them. And I thought, wouldn't it be refreshing someday if we have a Speaker that would represent all of us equally and let the Minority and Majority Leaders do the battling, but let the Speaker be above the partisaness (sic). It would be nice if we end up for one time, before I leave this session. or before I leave the chamber along with you, finally the Speaker would end up saying, "Hey, I'm going to represent all of you equally and fairly and not at the whim of whatever they wish to call this time.. But I appreciate your clarification on it. I don't think we'll, you and I, 12  82nd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE November 6, 1987 will ever live to see that day, but it would be nice if we keep working towards fairness in our Speaker's Chair. Thank you."

"Representative Hautino."

"Thank you very much, Madam Speaker. The other day I noticed that the process of the General Assembly went along rather well when all the microphones were off and only two were alive. If the hot air continues, I'm sure that the microphone system will probably go off and you may consider doing that again. We could get a lot of things done here. Thank you."

"Thank you, Representative. The next Bill under Total Veto Motions appearing on page 3 on your Calendar is Senate Bill 834. Representative Saltsman."

"I move that the House concur with the Senate in the passage of Senate Bill 834, the veto of the Governor notwithstanding."

"Representative Saltsman."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. The reason I have filed motion to bring this back today, I was approached by some business people in the hallway yesterday afternoon after it lost by a few votes and the people from business who are in cooperation with the labor-management program have lobbied to some extent at this time and some people have asked me that they...I bring this back so they could change their vote to help these programs In the area where the experience has been and where the value of this program has been a success. So at this time, it's had much debate, I think that we've all looked at it. It's not an appropriation Bill. If anything happens, or any new councils are formed, it will be in the 1989 appropriation process. And that's what we're coming back here next year for, is to work the appropriations process and see if any 13  82nd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE November 6, 1987 additional monies are needed. At this present time this is not an appropriation Bill, it's just a structure of how these programs are going to be formed, so again I ask for your vote and I know this has been a great help to the State of Illinois. Thank you."

"Representative Saltsman has moved to override the Governor's veto of Senate Bill 834 and on that question, the Gentleman from McLean, Representative Ropp. Excuse me, Representative McCracken on a point of order."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. We've looked at the rules and we've also looked at Robert's_Rules_of_Orders regarding re-raising questions previously, we thought, finally decided by a Body. Our rules apparently are silent on the precise question, but the reference in the rules regarding motions to reconsider clearly implies that successive motions of failed votes are not in order and in Robert's, specifically page 64 of the edition we've got, in the absence of making such a motion or something similar to it, it is improper to make successive motions, absent something unusual. And clearly, what that means is that something of an extraordinary nature. All we have here is successive motions and this matter is out of order. It shouldn't be on the Calendar a second time with merely a successive motion to override the Total Veto and I ask the Chair to so rule. And look at it before you rule. I've got it right here."

"The Chair has already looked at..."

"Have you looked at Robert's?"

"We have already looked at Robert's. And we looked at your first motion, Sir..."

"Page 64. Page 64."

"Yes Sir, and it..."

"Let me read it." 14  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE November 6, 1987 82nd Legislative Day

"No, Sir."

"During the meeting..."

"Representative McCracken, we have already looked at that. I realize... I realize that you don't... we realize that you don't wish to hear this Gentleman's motion. We realize that free speech, however, and the Democratic process allows the Gentleman's motion. It is the Gentleman's belief that something has changed and that he will be able to succeed in his motion if presented at this time. The Chair has determined already that in this case it is not dilatory. Perhaps if he does it again and again and again it will be dilatory, but it is the Chair's decision as to both of the motions that appear on this Calendar that they are not dilatory, that's why we went them in the first place. So I would suggest, if you are opposed to the motion, that you vote 'no' and that you let the Democratic process work. I do not mean to indicate that you should be precluded from raising this issue, but it should be raised in the Rules Committee. If you wish to change the procedure it should be done through the rules. The Gentleman has made a motion. The motion before us is, •Shall the House override the Governor's veto of Senate Bill 834?" Representative McCracken, do you have anything further to add?"

"Yes, Madam Speaker."

"Proceed."

"I move to overrule the Chair on that point and I'd like to address that motion."

"The Gentleman has moved to overrule the Chair's decision and on that question, Representative McCracken."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Just by way of introductory remarks. I am sure that Democracy is served if a person who wishes to be recognized is given his 15  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day November 6, 1987 microphone rights. I should have brought a loudspeaker down this time. This is much more than a question of the Gentleman's Bill and it certainly does not relate to the Gentleman in any manner. We are talking about the proper conduct of the House's business. This is no light matter. By filing successive motions, Madam Speaker, you make a nullity out of the House rule regarding provision for motion to reconsider the vote by which a particular matter lost. If you did not have that motion in the rules, then maybe you would have an argument that it is contemplated that there be successive motions of this type, but that is clearly not the case. When we talk about overruling...or a final vote on an overruling....to override a veto, we are talking about the concept of finality. The Gentleman had a fair hearing, the hearing went against him and it's time to move on. There is nothing Democratic about allowing particular motions to be considered ad nauseum. And this is a very serious matter. And you know that where the rules are silent on a particular point, Robert's Rules of Orders applies. And at page 64 of this edition under the heading "Motions To Bring A Question Again Before The Assembly", the Robert's states the following principle: "During the meeting or series of connected meetings in which the Assembly has decided a question, the same or substantially the same question cannot be brought up again except through special procedures which imply an unusual circumstance." Now it is not only the existence of a special circumstance that warrants it to be brought back, other than by means of an extraordinary motion, but it is a requirement that the extraordinary circumstances exist and in that case, the motion to reconsider the question is brought and is argued on that basis. The Gentleman may have unusual circumstances. Does he have extraordinary 16  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day November 6, 1987 circumstances? Has he brought an extraordinary motion? No. He merely files another motion to have another crack at this. Not everyone's doing it apparently. The two Bills on your Regular Calendar, and by the way all of the veto motions... or all of the vetoes in question, could have been on the Daily Calendar, if any others had been filed, are two Democratic Bills. So we want a successive motions. So what happens? We get three, four votes and only at the point where the Body runs out of time do we say, that's finally it? It is improper parliamentary practice to allow successive votes on final matters, Madam Speaker, and only where there are extraordinary circumstances and then only where a special motion is brought should a question be again considered."

"The Lady from Cook, Representative Didrickson."

"Thank you Madam Speaker, Members of the House. Representative McCracken has raised some very valid parliamentary questions here, but I guess I'm going to look at it from a different slant. This gives me an opportunity and Representative Mays, to correct the closing statement of Representative Saltsman yesterday when he said that our testimony on this Bill was incorrect. I would like to restate for those of you in this General Assembly. I have talked to the drafter of the Bill, the original Bill on the Labor-Management Councils and indeed, that intent was to be seed money. And indeed, the first year it was 75, the second year 50 and the third year 25 with the local match..."

"Representative Didrickson. Representative Didrickson. I'm sorry, but I think you have to confine your argument for the time that we actually reach Representative Saltsman's Bill. The motion before us that we are debating is whether or not the Chair shall be 17  82nd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE November 6, 1987 overruled on the parliamentary question that Representative McCracken has raised. Thank you. I will recognize you later at that point. The Gentleman from Lake, Representative Matijevich."

"Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I rise in defense of the ruling of the Chair and acknowledge that the Chair in that ruling has mentioned the past House deliberations where we have always allowed successive motions. I recall one time where one Member lost a motion and the si similar motion, the same motion was put forth by another Member and that has been done in past sessions. I think the Chair's ruling, just as case law very often becomes part of the law, the past deliberations of the House determine what we do in these cases where it is not in our rules. I think that even though the last speaker may have been out of order, in her own mind by what she has said, things have changed with the testimony on the Bill as it was presented...or, on the motion as it was presented the last time. So I think that this is a proper ruling and the fact of the matter is so that this may come up in the future, I think the ruling is very proper for us conducting normal business. So I would ask that Members on this side of the aisle vote against Representative McCracken's motion to overrule the Chair."

"The Gentleman from Livingston, Representative Ewing. On the motion."

"On the motion, ma'am. The motion to override the Chair?"

"Correct."

"Yes. It just seems to me, Madam Speaker, that we all listened very attentively to Speaker Madigan when he was discussing abuse of power in regard to the Governor's Amendatory Veto. I think there is a lot of analogy between his speech and what is happening here. I'm sure that if he 18  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day November 6, 1987 were not in California that he wouldn't allow this abuse of power to be perpetrated on this Body by the assistant Leaders in the Chair. Madam Speaker, it's a waste of our time to go through this again. Are you listening, Madam Speaker? I.."

"I am listening, Sir, and I am very aware of your time and how valuable it is. The Gentleman from Winnebago, Representative Hallock."

"You cut me off."

"Did you have more to say, Representative Ewing? Proceed, Sir."

"Madam Speaker, it's just that when you know you find your students aren't listening, you stop and try and get their attention. And there was a young lady here talking to me, Madam Speaker, when you called on me and I immediately asked her to step aside so that I could give you my full attention and now I just kind of wanted that same respect because I was talking about the Speaker. Speaker Madigan and how he doesn't like abuse of power and I really wish that you'd reconsider your decision on this matter. Let's clear the deck and move on. We got 1520 to do. We have all those Amendments that your people want to put on 1520. So could we just go to that? I don't think you're going to listen to me, Madam Speaker, so I'm going to quit."

"Thank you. Representative Ewing. Representative Hallock. On the motion."

"Thank you Madam Speaker, Members of the House. I think this is probably an especially exasperating moment for all Members of this Chamber and yourself included. And I think that exasperation probably emanates from the fact that we on this side really know that we're right and I think you on that side and you especially, Madam Speaker, probably know that you're wrong. The House rules, which we 19  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day November 6, 1987 have debated many times before, very clearly state what happens in these kind of situations. The House rules, as you know we've tried to make suggestions to, and we've in fact in many cases made some additions to them on the Minority side and we have tried to work together on those rules themselves. But whatever they stand for, whatever we agree is right or wrong, they are, in fact, the rules of this House. And the House rules very clearly provide that the only way you can really do what you are trying to do here today is by filing a motion to reconsider a vote by which your vote failed. That hasn't been done. Yet that is the rule and it's very clear. When you get beyond that, there's a clear void as to what should happen in a situation like this. When a void occurs in the House rules we all know that Robert's Bules of Orders have to provide for the situation. And Robert's Rules_of_Orders will not allow for this situation to occur, when one issue has been resolved, it is resolved and it is done with. The only way you can get back to that is by going back to the House rules again and filing a motion to reconsider a vote. And so we in this Chamber. I suppose. on both sides of the aisle are governed by that. And whether we like it or not, that is what the rule is. And Madam Speaker, if you want to change the rules, you of course have the majority of votes and you can do that. But it's so ironic to me, as one of the Members of the Rules Committee and the Spokesman thereon, that for the last couple of weeks we've heard constant remonstrations from the Speaker about the Governor's amendatory veto powers. but yet In the last couple of weeks we've also seen the Speaker of the House try to decide what's constitutional and also try to decide that the House rules don't really apply, that he can use any rules he wants, even though the House rules, in fact, 20  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day November 6, 1987 do govern. It is a very ironic situation. And I get back to my first point, Madam Speaker, and how frustrating this Is. It's because you know it's wrong and we know also that you're doing the wrong thing and we hope you can reconsider your position and change it. And I urge your vote in favor of this motion."

"The Lady from Cook, Representative Currie."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker and Members of the House. I rise in support of the ruling of the Chair on this issue. First, that ruling is supported by strong precedent. Precedent under Speakers of this Chamber of both political parties. Secondly, the people who would oppose the ruling argue by analogy to our rules that apply to final passage on House Bills. We're dealing here not with final passage of a House Bill, but with a motion. When you're dealing with a Bill, the Sponsor of that Bill has total control over the timing of the calling of that Bill to choose to proceed or not to proceed when the Chair moves to that order. When we're dealing with motions, however, motions are not under the control of any individual owner of the Bill. A motion can be made by anybody in this Chamber. If the Gentleman who opposes this ruling were right, it could well be that we'd be debating Representative Saltsman's opportunity to call a motion on Senate Bill 834 at all. Conceivably, Representative McCracken could have offered a motion on Senate Bill 834 yesterday. He could have called the motion and he could have encouraged people not to support his motion to override, thus precluding the proponents of the measure from having their day in court. So not only is this ruling of the Chair appropriate in terms of our history as an institution, but it also makes good, basic parliamentary sense. Only by permitting second motions on the same topic can we ensure that everybody in 21  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day November 6, 1987 this Chamber has a fair shake and a fair opportunity at making his or her point of view a relevant point of view, a relevant perspective, when this Chamber decides to act."

"The question is, "Shall the Chair be overruled?' All those in favor vote "aye...excuse me, Representative McCracken wishes to close. Proceed, Sir."

"Thank you. Thank you. I'd like to state, I think, more correctly what the issue is here. We're not confronted with a case where a hostile party has filed a second or successive motion. We're not confronted where a third party who is friendly to the Bill files a successive motion. We're not talking about a control or lack of control over the Bill, we're not talking about the control or lack of control over the right to make a motion. We're talking about successive motions. Override the Total Veto vote is a final action of this House. The rules of our House require that unless you make a motion to reconsider the question on the day when the vote fails, then it is out of order. So, for this body to accept the ruling of the Chair, that merely by refiling successive motions is democracy being done, or is parliamentary procedure being honored, is absolutely false. The fact is that our rules specifically provide for a vehicle for reconsidering this type of matter. Our rules are silent on the precise question of filing successive motions. Robert's Rules is dead against you on this and our rules provide that where the House rules are silent, Robert's Rules of Order control. So don't confuse the issue with party politics. Don't confuse it with control over some particular issue or motion or Bill. This is wrong to be doing it this way. It does not further Democracy. It does not further justice."

"The question is, "Shall the Chair be overruled?" All those in favor vote "yes", all those 22  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day November 6, 1987 opposed vote "no". Voting is open. Sixty votes are required for passage. Representative Klemm, one minute to explain your vote. Representative Klemm."

"I wanted to make a parliamentary inquiry rather than explain my vote."

"State your inquiry."

"You had earlier said that on a motion, that is filed to rec...or to not reconsider a defeated motion, such as we're doing on Senate Bill 834 that Representative Saltsman had filed a new motion on the same day that it had failed. That you had said that he had new information that perhaps would change the vote on a subsequent vote and you, as the Chair, allowed that to take place, but that you probably would allow it to be dilatory by constantly filing motions. And I was wondering then, how does a Member approach the bench. the Chair, or whatever you wish to call it, to determine to let you know that I have new information to make you concerned to allo..."

"Representative Klemm, you can whisper in my ear. Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 51 voting 'aye, 63 voting "no" and the motion fails. Representative Cullerton, for what reason do you rise?"

"Can they renew that motion again?"

"They probably could if it wasn't going to be dilatory. The next item to be considered is Representative Saltsman's initial motion to override the total veto of the Governor on Senate Bill 834. That question has already been presented. Is there any discussion on that question? The Lady from Cook, Representative Didrickson."

"Thank you Madam Speaker, Members of the House. I did begin to state earlier on another motion, before it became so partisan and unfortunately this whole issue has 23  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day November 6, 1987 become very partisan. Yesterday it was incorrectly stated by the Sponsor of this motion right now, that those of us on this side, Representative Mays and myself who said that the initial, the initial intent of this legislation for Labor-Management Councils was not for seed money. I talked to the drafter of this Bill. It indeed was initially for seed money. The first year 75 percent, 25 percent state-local match, to 50 to 25 and at the end of three years these councils were to be on their own. We funded ten of them. What we are doing now without the funds, without the funds, is expanding this original concept and we're going to include Management... Labor-Management Councils across the state, but those original ten could then go on indefinitely receiving up to $100,000 annually indefinitely keeping them going. That was never the original intent of this. I think if you would like to get a piece of the action like we've been able to enjoy in the south suburban area, and I'm doing this with my own Labor -Management Council that will be affected by this, then you'll not vote for this measure. We just appropriated $297,000 this year to fund ten of them. You can see with that paltry amount that we're not going to be able to expand or fund this program the way the Sponsor would like. I ask for a 'no' vote."

"The Gentleman from Adams, Representative Mays, on the question."

"Gentleman yield to a question, please?"

"He will."

"What's the cost of this Bill?"

"Nothing, right now."

"I should rest my case, but I do note that it does require the Department of Commerce and Community Affairs to establish an office of Labor-Management Cooperation, does 24  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE November 6, 1987 82nd Legislative Day it not?"

"It does."

"And you're not planning to fund that office at all, are you?"

"They already have staff doing it, Jeff."

"There is no cost this year, that's what you say."

"Jeff, you and I and Representative Didrickson are on the Appropriations Committee. If you have seen anything come out of there with this money in it, I don't know where it's at. That's why I disputed your word."

"Well, here we are and I'll just go right to the Bill. It would appear to me that what we would be doing with this is expanding a commitment. In other words, renewing a commitment. enlarging a commitment or otherwise...with no money and next year we're going to be beat on the head to fund it because there was a commitment already made and a similar argument for spending money on a senseless thing will be generated like it was with TIFs and it would just seem to me that if we're going to be making new commitments or recommitting or expanding old commitments, we ought to be able to prioritize even better than this Bill would do and for that reason I would urge opposition to the Bill."

"There being no further discussion, Representative Saltsman to close."

"Yes. That's what we're elected to come down here for and us people that get assigned to the Appropriations Committee, it's to go through the appropriations process. We'll be doing that in the 1989 budget. I'm not willing to fall away from here worried somebody's going to hit me over the head with something I don't like in appropriations, because the 98 agencies have put approps in and I don't agree with none of them, but I didn't get them changed. We try to make a dent in something where us people over here 25  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day November 6, 1987 that don't get a chance to work with those agencies like you do, that get your stuff put in. Ours is called out on us. Yours is in the agencies cause you've got that power and it's our authority as voters and the way the vote comes out of this General Assembly that we have a chance to restructure what we don't like in the agencies and that's what we're sent down here for. I urge a 'yes' vote on this."

"The question is, 'Shall Senate Bill 834 pass, the veto of the Governor notwithstanding?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote no'. Voting is open. Seventy-one votes are required to override. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Gentleman from Macon, Representative Dunn, one minute to explain your vote."

"Thank you Madam Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I rise in support of this legislation. As I indicated when this was up before, we have a large labor contingent in our community and when times became difficult there was friction between labor and management, however, cooler heads prevailed and a Labor Management Committee was formed. It is now 7 years old, both sides have found it to be very productive. It has resulted in a negotiated agreement between both sides, which has been presented to businesses in the area. We call it a PROUD agreement. It includes a provision....a provision is included in the agreement which provides for no work stoppages, for example. That came out of this type of agreement. This is a wonderful thing, we should support this legislation. It's one of the best things we can do in the State of Illinois. As I've said before, to send a clear message to outsiders that Illinois is a good place to come to work, live and do business. I urge an 'aye' vote." 26  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day

November 6, 1987 Have all voted On this "Thank you, Representative Dunn. who wish? The Clerk wil1 take the record. question there are 71 voting 'aye and 40 voting *no and things did change. And Representative McCracken asks for a verification of the affirmative. Clerk. Poll the affirmative. Mr. Representative Braun. The The Lady asks leave to be verified, Mr. McCracken. Representative Braun, you have leave. Proceed, Mr. Clerk."

"Poll of the affirmative. Ackerman. Berrios. Bowman. Braun. Breslin. Brunsvold. Bugielski. Capparelli. Christensen. Cullerton. Curran. Currie. Daley. Davis. DeJaegher. DeLeo. Dunn. Farley. Flinn. Flowers. Giglio. Giorgi. Goforth. Granberg. Hannig. Hartke. Hicks. Homer. Huff. Hultgren. Jones. Keane. Krska. Levin. Kulas. Lang. Laurino. Leflore. Leverenz. Martinez. Matijevich. Mautino. McGann. McNamara. McPike. Morrow. Mulcahey. Novak. O'Connell. Robert Olson. Panayotovich. Phelps. Rea. Richmond. Ronan. Saltsman. Satterthwaite."

"Excuse me, Mr. Clerk. Representative McCracken, Representative Steczo asks leave to be verified and he has leave. Proceed, Mr. Clerk."

"Shaw."

"Excuse me. Representative Kulas and Representative Martinez ask for leave to be verified Kulas and Martinez. ez. Proceed, Hr. Clerk." also.

"Shaw. Slater. Steczo. Stern. Sutker. Terzich. Tuerk. Turner. Van Duyne. White. Williams. Wolf. Anthony Young and Wyvetter Younge."

"Any questions of the affirmative roll?"

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Representative Giglio?"

"Representative Giglio. Frank Giglio. The Gentleman is not in the Chamber. Remove him from the Roll 27  82nd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE November 6, 1987 Call."

"Representative Lang?"

"Representative Lang. Lou Lang. Is the Gentleman in the Chamber? He is not. Remove him from the Roll Call."

"Representative Hicks?"

Speaker Breslin: "Representative Hicks. Larry Hicks. Representative Giglio has returned to the Chamber, add him to the Roll Call voting 'aye. Representative Hicks is not in the Chamber. Remove him from the Roll Call.

"Representative O'Connell?"

"Representative O'Connell. Gentleman is not in the Chamber. John O'Connell. The Remove him from the Roll Call."

"Representative Laurino?"

"Representative Laurino. Bill Laurino. Is the Gentleman in the Chamber? He is not. Remove him from the Roll Call. Representative Young asks leave to be verified and he has leave."

"Representative Morrow?"

"Representative Morrow. Charles Morrow. Is the Gentleman in the Chamber? He is not. Remove him from the Roll Call."

"Representative DeJaegher?"

"Representative DeJaegher. Bob DeJaegher. The Gentleman is not in the Chamber. Remove him from the Roll Call."

"As it turns out. not very much has changed. Representative DeLeo?"

"Representative DeLeo is in his chair."

"Representative Williams?"

Speaker Breslin "Representative Hicks has returned to the Chamber. Add him to the Roll Call voting 'aye'. 28  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day November 6, 1987 Representative O'Connell has returned to the Chamber. Add him to the Roll Call voting 'aye'."

"Representative Williams?"

"Representative Williams. Paul Williams. Is the Gentleman in the Chamber? He is not. Remove him from the Roll Call."

"Representative Terzich?"

"Representative Terzich. Bob Terzich. The Gentleman is not in the Chamber. Remove him from the Roll Call."

"Representative Bugielski?"

"Representative Bugielski. Bob Bugielski is in the Chamber."

"Nothing further."

"Representative Williams has returned to the Chamber. Add him to the Roll Call voting 'aye'. On this question there are 66 voting 'aye', 40 voting 'no' and 3 voting 'present' and the motion fails. The next order of business appears under Amendatory Veto Motions on page 3 on your calendar. Senate Bill 1113. Representative Countryman. Representative Countryman? Out of the record. Ladies and Gentlemen, the House will be at ease for 30 minutes. The House will be at ease for 30 minutes. Ladies and Gentlemen, the House will come to order. We are going to go to the order of Conference Committee Reports, so this includes the action on...as final passage on Bills, so Members should return to their seats, please. Return to your seats. The House will come to order. The first Bill on this order...the Conference Committee Reports are on Supplemental #2. The Sponsors are Cullerton, McNamara and Flowers. So please come to the Chambers. Supplemental #1. Members should return to their seats, please. Ladies and Gentlemen, on the reverse side of Supplemental #1 appears 29  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day Conference Committee Reports. Bill 126. November 6, 1987 The first Bill is Senate Representative Cullerton. Out of the record. Senate Bill 1025. Representative McNamara. Clerk, read the motion. Excuse me. This is a Conference Committee Report. Representative McNamara."

"Senate Bill 1025. A Bill for an Act to amend the Criminal Code. First Conference Committee Report."

"Representative McNamara."

"Thank you Madam Speaker, Members of the House. I move to accept the First Conference Committee Report on Senate Bill 1025. What 1025 does, in short, is to amend the Criminal Code and provides that it is a Class 1 felony when a person commits the offense of aggravated battery of a child within a 3 year period following an offense of... a finding of guilt for the same offense. It also adds what the conference committee did was clean up some technical language and it also provides a second portion in that Conference Committee Report which is an aggravated battery is committed when a...when a person causes great bodily harm to another or commits battery under certain aggravated conditions, those conditions to be somebody that is handicapped or elderly and I move to accept the First Conference Committee Report."

"Representative McNamara has moved that the House accept the First Conference Committee Report on Senate Bill 1025. On that question, is there any discussion? Hearing none, the question is, "Shall the House adopt the First Conference Committee Report on Senate Bill 1025? All those in favor vote aye, all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. This is final passage. Sixty votes are required for passage. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk should take the record. On this question there are 111 voting 'aye', none 30  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day November 6, 1987 voting "no" and none voting "present" and the House does adopt the First Conference Committee Report on Senate Bill 1025 and this Bill is hereby declared passed. Senate Bill 1506. Representative Flowers. Representative Flowers."

"Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I move to accept the First Conference Committee Report of Senate Bill 1506. It's basically a community right-to-know Bill and it just says that any agencies that comes into the community will first conduct a public informational hearing. And I move for the passage of Senate Bill 1506."

"The Lady has moved for the adoption of the First Conference Committee Report on Senate Bill 1506 and on that question the Gentleman from DuPage, Representative McCracken."

"I notice in the Conference Committee Report that the House recedes from House Amendments 1 and 3 and one of those Amendments is Representative McNamara's "Robin's Bill", for lack of a better term."

"It's no longer in the Conference Committee Report."

"Okay. So we only have your provision regarding the community-based right-to-know. Now. does that apply to private entities as well as government? For example, say, the Y.M.C.A. came under this definition and cut back or closed the facility, would hearings have to precede that?"

"Yes."

"And so it does not apply only to state agencies?"

"Pardon me?"

"It does not apply only to state agencies?"

"No, it does not. It only applies for public funds. People who are getting money from the state."

"So, you're saying that it would not apply to a private agency if it were not receiving funds?"

"No. No." 31  82nd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE November 6, 1987

"And what is the Department required to do under this?"

"They are merely required to either post notices in public places such as laundromats, grocery stores and they shall inform the Representative of that particular district what they are doing."

"Okay. Is this...so, the community-based services relate to improvement of local health, housing, education, employment, recreation or corrections and it would apply... or the reporting and hearing requirements would apply to any entity which is receiving any funds from the state?"

"You're correct."

"Alright. And you don't draw a distinction between funds received from the state for this particular purpose or maybe funds received from the state for...by the same entity, but for an unrelated purpose?"

"I don't quite understand that."

"Well, it's like the controversy in federal aid to schools. Does your requirement pertain to all activities of an entity that receives state funds, no matter what the purpose for that?"

"You're correct."

"Okay. So it applies to everything. Now, does the Department of Public Aid have a position on this Bill?"

"I'm not aware of their position, if they have one."

"You aren't aware of it? Okay. I have a document which originally was dated June 15, 1987 and has been re-dated November 4, 1987 by hand, which states that the Department opposes this and cites as fiscal impact administrative costs to conduct the hearings, which may or may not be nominal, I suppose, and possible delay in receipt of new federal funds. They apparently oppose it on the basis that the vagueness of the terminology of 32  82nd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE November 6, 1987 *substantially changes* could be interpreted to include any new medical provider that enrolls in the Department's medical assistance program, any training facility contracted through *project chance*, any new child support contract to be executed for representation of the Department, any implementation of new Department policy for all assistance purposes."

"Representative McCracken..."

"Let me ask this. What prompts the Bill? Are you having an experience in your district?"

"Yes. When Senator Alexander and I was down here in the spring, we had an occasion that an organization moved into the community and it was alleged that she and I was responsible for it and we were not, because we had no idea that...what they were doing. So when we came back from the spring, we had to deal with this confrontation, whereas if we were informed of the matter, this is not to say that the community based organization, or whatever it may be, cannot continue. They can proceed as usual, but we're just merely asking them to extend us the courtesy and extend the neighbors the courtesy of letting them know that there is a new mental health facility that is about to move into the community and you can be serviced by it. There is a new battered women organization that's moving in and if you are a battered woman, feel free to come here. That's all it's about."

"Okay. There is a reference, however, to more than just notice. Isn't there a reference to a public hearing that has to be held?"

"You can either give notice or a public hearing."

"Okay. I see that now. And the notice has to be 30 days prior?"

"Yes." 33  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day November 6, 1987

"Okay. It's kind of... On page 2 of the Conference Committee Report. it's not clear that the agency has the option. I agree with you that the first paragraph of Section 3 states that there is an option, but then on page 2 it just talks about requirements of 30 days prior notice of the public hearing. But it's your position that either one will satisfy this requirement?"

"You're absolutely right."

"And what does the notice have to consist of? What is it that the notice has to be in order to satisfy this?"

"Basically, you would just give notice on January fifth, 1988, we will be opening a new mental health facility, come in and join us or talk to us about any concerns that you may have."

"Okay. But there is no statement in here of what adequate notice is as an alternative to this public hearing. It doesn't say, for example, that you can comply with this by giving notice if you do the following things. I mean is there a requirement that you receive a letter, or that the aldermen receive a letter?"

"Yes, there is."

"Now where is that?"

"The notice shall include... On line 7 it says, 'In either case, notice shall be sent by mail to the corporate authorities of the municipality and the county and to the Members of the General Assembly who represents the community'."

"Okay. Now is that the notice for the public hearing, or is that notice which suffices in lieu of a public hearing?"

"That's the notice to inform the elected officials that there will either be a public hearing or that they're just posting notice. But you're letting the elected official 34  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day November 6, 1987 know that you are moving into the community and what your services will be."

"Okay. To the Bill. I think that, you know again, this is a good idea. I suppose we'd all like to be kept up to date on the comings and goings of our local community resources and I do agree that on the first page of the Conference Committee Report it does appear to create an alternative means of satisfying this requirement. That is, public hearing or adequate notice, but on page 2 of the Committee Report there is no statement as to what constitutes adequate notice for the purpose of complying with the notice provision of the Bill. That reference, I think, that the Lady spoke to, is the notice requirement for the notification of a public hearing. The Department opposes this Bill and it opposes the Bill not only because of the cost, but because the Bill is not drafted as well as maybe it could be. I suggest that better drafting would've included a separate section on the notice requirements that will satisfy the Bill in lieu of the public hearing, that the definition of "substantially changes", should probably be tightened up and the cost, of course, which could result even in the delay of receipt of new federal funds. Thank you."

"The Gentleman from Warren, Representative Hultgren."

"Thank you, Ms. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield for a couple of questions?"

"She will."

"I asked some questions about this when it was before this House before and I'd like to follow up to see how the Bill, as it exists now in the Conference Committee Report, relates to the form of the legislation earlier. In my home town there is a park district that operates the city 35  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE November 6, 1987 82nd Legislative Day parks. It's a governmental entity, imposes taxes and there's an elected park board that administers the district. Would that be a agency as defined in Section 2a of this Bill?"

"If the agency is getting state funds, yes."

"Well, agency, it means any Department or agency of the state or a local unit of government. Would this local park district be a local unit of government?"

"I would think so, yes."

"Now, among other things, the local park district operates, or did this past year, operated a summer softball program. A summer softball league. Would that be under community-based services, a service that relates to the improvement of recreation, in my community?"

"No, it would not."

"Summer softball league would not be recreation?"

"It is considered recreation, but I'm sure that's part of what they were doing in the first place. It was not nothing new that they just started."

"Okay."

"It's not a facility."

"If....You say that's not something new. My understanding is, in Section 3, that if they plan to substantially change the nature of the services they're providing, they have to have a hearing. If they want to discontinue the summer softball league, do they have to have a hearing?"

"That is not a substantial change, because that is not a facility. That is an activity."

"What if they wanted to close one of the parks in which the softball is played?"

"Well, I would think that they should inform the community that the park would be closed for whatever 36  82nd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE November 6, 1987 purpose that they are closing it."

"So, if they closed the park they have to have a hearing, but if they just discontinue the softball league, they do not have to have a hearing?"

"That is an activity, so no, they would not have to have a hearing."

"What's the difference between an activity and a service?"

"The difference between an activity of playing, it's not being funded. The activity is not being funded. Playing softball. The services is being funded."

"Okay. Among the other things that the park district does, they operate a public golf course and once a year they have a city golf...or city tournament on the public golf course. If they wanted to discontinue the city golf tournament, would that be the discontinuance of a community-based service and would they have to hold a public hearing to discontinue the city golf tournament?"

"No."

"Well, they provide funding for the tournament in terms of trophies and fees and so forth paid to the golfers. Is that not then a service?"

"Whatever services that they are providing for, so that you could continue your activities. There's a difference between the two. That particular organization is still providing some type of services."

"Thank you for your responses. If I may, Madam Speaker, to the Bill. I listened to the responses of the Sponsor in terms of what she intends to do with this legislation. However, in reading the Conference Committee Report which sets forth the text of the Bill in full, it doesn't seem to me that the language as exists in the Bill is as limiting as the Sponsor interprets it and for that 37  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day November 6, 1987 reason. I would encourage a 'no' vote on the Conference Committee Report and would also offer to work with the Sponsor to come up with language which might be more narrow in scope, instead of what I think is perhaps required by the broader language of the Conference Committee Report. Thank you."

"Representative Currie."

"Thank you Madam Speaker. Members of the House. I rise in support of the Lady's motion to adopt the First Conference Committee Report to Senate Bill 1506. The Sponsors of this Bill in the House and in the Senate have worked very hard on language that will resolve many organizations' initial opposition to the proposal. They...."

"While we wait, Representative Currie, I'm going to recognize Representative McCracken for a parliamentary inquiry. State your inquiry, Sir."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. This Bill in Section 2 states that it shall take effect upon becoming a law. That's an immediate effective date, and I ask the court... the court...I ask the Chair to hold at 71 votes required for passage."

"Seventy-one votes are definitely required for the passage of this Bill. Representative Currie, are you finished? Representative Currie."

"Thank you. So my point is that the Sponsors have worked very hard to allay initial opposition from organizations like United Way, from other social service providers. The Bill as initially drafted might've required each of those recipient organizations to schedule their own hearings or post their own notices. As changed by this Conference Committee Report, the Bill merely requires that the agency of state government, or the unit of local government that 38  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day November 6, 1987 is funding the program has to either hold a public hearing or post notices so the affected community is aware of the beginnings of a new program or the closings of an old program. This is a question, an important public policy question for Members of this Chamber to address. We are told that some Departments would find it administratively difficult to comply with the terms of this proposal. On the other hand, the community itself would like to know what kinds of programs are coming into town. That is the issue before us. The Sponsors of the Bill have themselves experiences when state funded programs come to their parts of the world without adequate notice to them or to their community. It seems to me we have a responsibility to see to it that our communities know how public funds are intended to be spent. There is, as I say, no opposition from the private social service agencies that initially were concerned with the Bill. The Sponsors have worked long and hard to try to craft something that makes good public policy sense. I would encourage your 'aye vote for this Conference Committee Report."

"The Lady from Cook, Representative Parcells."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, my name appears on this, but unfortunately, I was never consulted. I've been on the floor all of the time. or I may have pointed out to the Sponsor, who has truly tried very hard to make this acceptable, that the points that Representative McCracken brought up are absolutely correct. When they're referring to...everything here is referring to the public hearing, not to the public notice. So if they post notice at the post office, is it 30 days, 60 days, 2 weeks, 2 hours? There's no reference made to that, and I would have, if they had come and asked for my signature, pointed that out to them, that they still 39  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day weren't clear November 6, 1987 on that and we maybe could have clarified that and made this a better Bill. I'd also like to point out that the Department of Mental Health, Department of Children and Family Services, Department of Public Aid, are all still opposed to this Bill. They think it is incorrectly drafted and therefor I would suggest that you do not override on this Bill and vote "no"."

"The Lady from Cook, Representative Braun."

"Thank you Madam Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I do hope, whatever happens to this Bill today, that you pay close attention to what this Bill is really about. This is a Legislator's right-to-know Bill. This Bill essentially says that we will have a right to know what services are coming to our area, whether they are being provided directly by a state Department or indirectly through the state Department contracting out with the private sector. In many instances contracts are let for social services and the like, in communities... Corrections and the like, in our communities. Those contracts are not monitored directly by the state agency, or at least to the extent they are monitored, we don't know very often what's going on, and so it can be that a state agency will negotiate and sign a contract to locate a corrections facility, for example, in your area and you will be the last person to know about it. You will find out about it after the newspapers have found out about it, after your constituents have found out about it and long after the contract has been signed and the Department is already obligated. That's what this Bill is intended to get to. I am not going to get into a discussion of the technical debate that has taken place so far. I suggest to you, however, that the language of the Bill is specific enough to con... to address the concerns and to the extent that 40  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day November 6, 1987 there may be confusion, I believe that's been clarified with the legislative intent stated in this debate. But I think for all of us, take a very close look at what this Bill does and what it's about. The opposition from the Department, perhaps in my opinion, the Departments need to take another look at the process that they use for letting out these contracts. And maybe as a part of that process we can be notified without having to go this route. But so far we haven't been able to get to that point. This route is the sensible route and it makes sense as legislation for all of the elected officials of the state and particularly for Legislators who have a concern about what's going on in their district. What the state is paying for in terms of services in their local districts. Thank you."

"The Gentleman from Winnebago, Representative Hallock."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Members of the House. We spent a lot of time debating this Bill and I think, from the debate we've incurred a lot of discussion that really points out a lot of problems with this Bill. Clearly, from our point of view on this side of the aisle, there are things that can be resolved at some point in time. There's no urgency to do this yet this fall. And I would say that we should put this Bill over until the Spring Session, debate it then. In the meantime, if she does persist in this motion, I would say that we should defeat it and vote "no"."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Levin."

"Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I rise in support of this Conference Committee Report. I did not like the report last spring. I think many of the problems have been resolved. There's no reason to have a program in a community if the people in the community don't know that 41  82nd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE November 6, 1987 the program exists. Moreover, what is being proposed here is not novel. We do this now in the Chicago Metropolitan area, through the Northeast Illinois Plan Commission. As Legislators, we receive notices of federally funded programs that go through NIPC. Moreover, a couple of years ago we had legislation that we passed that tightened notice requirements to elected officials and community groups in terms of IDA projects in your neighborhood. So, what's being proposed here is not something that is new, that is novel. that we've never done before. We do do this now on a limited scale through Northeast Illinois Plan Commission and others. And I suggest this is a good idea. If it doesn't make it, I think that we can come back and look more at the notice requirements for NIPC and IDA and tighten up this legislation. But I think it's good enough now that we ought to pass it."

"There being no further discussion, Representative Flowers to close."

"Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I really don't know what is the problem. What is the big secret? What it is that we're trying to hide here? These are the agencies in which we're funding and the taxpayers of this state is putting their monies into these various agencies. There's no big secret here. It's merely saying that if there is a substantial change in the existing community service base, that's already there that you would notify the community of the substantial change. If there's a few little technical problems, I'm sure the Governor will be more than happy to use his amendatory veto power to straighten out the technical changes. But I feel that our community and we, as Representatives, have the right to know about any community-based organizations that's moving into the community. I would merely urge your 'aye vote on 42  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE November 6, 1987 82nd Legislative Day Senate Bill 1506."

"The question is, 'Shall the House adopt the First Conference Committee Report on Senate Bill 1506?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no*. Voting is open. This is final passage. Seventy-one votes are required. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 62... 63 voting 'aye', 48 voting "no" and 1 voting present'. And the House does not adopt the First Conference Committee Report. Representative, do you wish to request a Second Conference Committee?"

"Yes, thank you."

"Yes, the Lady requests a Second Conference Committee. And that Conference Committee will be appointed. Going back... Representative Cullerton, would you like to do your Bill now? While we're on this order. No. Out of the record. The next Bill on Speaker's Table appears House Resolution 825. Representative Stange's speak light is pushed. He does not appear to be in his seat. Would someone turn off that light, please? Thank you. Representative LeFlore, do you wish to proceed on House Resolution 825? Proceed. Mr. Clerk, would you read the Resolution."

"House Resolution 825, creates a bipartisan Special Home Committee on Inmate Rights. Rules Committee recommends be adopted."

"Representative LeFlore."

"Thank you, Madam Chairman. House Resolution 825 has been amended. Amendment #1 clarifies the language in line 14. It says, 'whereas the Department of Corrections shall report and testify to the committee any recent or past occurrence within the state penal institution'. What this Resolution would do is merely create a bipartisan 43  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day November 6, 1987 subcommittee, with 4 members appointed by the Speaker of the House and 4 members appointed by the Majority Leader to investigate the penal Institution, where I find that is having a lot of problems now within its population. And I ask for a favorable vote."

"Representative LeFlore, the Clerk has notified me that an Amendment has been filed. Do you wish to present that Amendment first?"

"Yes, that's what I was doing."

"I see, okay..."

"Presenting the Amendment."

"So. Representative LeFlore asks that... moves that Amendment #1 be adopted. Is there any discussion? Hearing none, the question is, Shall Amendment #1 be adopted?" All those in favor say 'aye", all those opposed say "no. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes have it. And the Amendment is adopted. And now Representative LeFlore, on the Bill as... on the Resolution as amended."

"As amended. In line 14 of the Resolution, there was a language change that states, 'whereas the Department of Corrections shall report and testify to the committee any recent or past occurrence within the penal institution... state penal institution." Merely, what we are trying to do is create a committee to investigate some of the problems that we are having within our penal institution, presently. I noticed over the past several months there have been a lot of... a lot of things happening within the penal institution. Some of the parents in my district are very upset about their sons who are housed in the penal institution and they would like to know what is happening. And in order to find out what is happening within the penal institution, I feel there should be an investigation. And this committee will be made up of 8 members. 4 from that 44  82nd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE November 6, 1987 is appointed by the Speaker, and 4 that is appointed by the Minority Leader. So I ask your favorable vote."

"The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of House Resolution 825. And on that question, the Gentleman from DuPage, Representative McCracken."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. I rise in opposition to the House Resolution. I believe that we had decided some time ago not to have these commissions or whatever they are, to essentially undertake, I don't know, tangents and run off with them. This Bill (sic), as amended, does not only relate to the Department of Corrections being required to report and testify before the committee, it purports to be in part at the request or for the benefit of the Department of Corrections, as well as the inmates. And I'm advised that the Department of Corrections is in opposition to this Resolution. I don't think we should be in favor of it. I don't think a need has been demonstrated for it. It is just another extraneous demand put upon the Memberships' time. This special committee is by virtue of the Amendment, infused with a broad, broad mandate. The committee's purpose is expanded. It is made a special House Committee on Correctional Facility Conflicts. It broadens the committee's studies to include all facets of the state penal institutions and the problems purportedly that have been occurring. I would submit to you that there is no need demonstrated for this. The Department of Corrections, presumably on whose... or for whose benefit, in part at least, this is been done, is opposed to it. And I think we should be voting against it."

"There being no further discussion, Representative LeFlore, to close."

"Thank you, Madam Chairman. I find that this committee is necessary because if you notice the newspaper over the 45  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day November 6, 1987 past four or five months, there have been a lot of dissension... excuse me. We've had a lot of problems within the state penal institutions. And many of our inmates who are in these institutions, is being mistreated. You have gang structure there. And I... with this... with the gangs that we have organized in our penal institution, many of them are found with contrabands. How are these weapons getting inside the penal institution? Some of the inmates in the penal institution are afraid to eat their food when they are served it. They are afraid because they feel that someone had put poison in it. I have gotten these complaints and I feel that this committee is necessary for an investigation of the penal institution. So I ask for a favorable vote. We need green votes on this Resolution."

"The question is, Shall House Resolution 825 be adopted?" All those in favor vote 'aye, all those opposed vote "no". Voting is open. Sixty votes are required. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 51 voting 'aye', 56 voting 'no' and 3 voting "present". And the Resolution is not adopted, Representative. On the Order of Motions appears Senate Bill 1470. Representative Bowman. Out of the record. Ladies and Gentlemen, on the Order of Conference Committee Reports appears Senate Bill 126. Representative Cullerton. Turn on Representative Cullerton please."

"Yes, thank you, Madam Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Senate... Conference Committee on Senate Bill 126 is already passed the Senate. Senator Hawkinson is the Sponsor. And in the House I'm joined as Cosponsors by Representative Hultgren, Parcells, Wennlund and Regan. The Bill contains approximately five separate 46  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day November 6, 1987 concepts. and I'll explain them one at a time, dealing with the Criminal Code. The first provision provides that unless the sentencing court orders otherwise, time served on probation, conditional discharge or supervision shall not be credited against the sentence of imprisonment. So, the current law is, if someone... if time is served on probation or conditional discharge or supervision is... it is credited against the sentence of imprisonment unless the court orders otherwise. This switches it so that it's not credited unless the court orders otherwise. The second part of the Bill deals with the offense of residential burglary and incorporates a number of corrections that were suggested by Members both on the Democrat and Republican side. What this would say is that a first... right now the current law is that residential burglary is not probationable. This would provide an exception if a person is a first time offender. The charge of residential burglary must also... must also be shown that the house was unoccupied at the time of the offense. The court would have the discretion to give... continue to give the jail time of 4 to 15 years or they could give at least two years probation. One of the conditions of which must be that the defendant be sentenced to 100 days in custody and this can be served either in the county jail or in the state prison. We also corrected a technical error that was brought to my attention by Representative Petka, concerning the fact that they would not be on parole after they receive the sentence of probation with the first 180 days in custody. The third provision deals with... includes House Bill 2722, which was Representative Regan's Bill. That Bill passed the House 116 to nothing, but died in the Senate Judiciary Committee. The Bill adds the phrase 'or an institutionalized severely or profoundly mentally retarded adult' to many of the 47  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day November 6, 1987 Sections of the Criminal Code, which currently refer to children. For example, the offense of aggravated battery of a child would be applicable to an aggravated battery committed upon an institutionalized severely or profoundly mentally retarded adult. The other offenses which are amended to reflect this classification are aggravated kidnapping, child abduction, soliciting for juvenile prostitute, juvenile pimping, exploitation of a child, child pornography, aggravated battery of a child, criminal sexual assault, aggravated criminal sexual assault and aggravated criminal sexual abuse. The next provision was found in Amendment... House Amendment #5, which was offered by Representative McCracken. This provides that the notice of probation violation ordered by the court may be issued by the Circuit Court Clerk as well as by the County Probation Department. Right now it's just the County Probation Department. I'd be happy to answer any questions concerning the Conference Committee. Appreciate your support."

"The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of the First Conference Committee Report on Senate Bill 126. And on that question, the Gentleman from Will, Representative Wennlund."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. First of all, I want to make it clear that I was a Cosponsor of the Bill in its original form, which would not give credit for probationary time. However, I call the attention of the Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, that what this Bill does is, it sends a message to every home invader in Illinois that if you're a first time offender. if you get caught for the first time, if you get caught for the first time, you only get a 180 days in jail instead of 4 years for a Class I felony. Think about this when you're 48  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day November 6, 1987 down here laboring in the House and your families are at home or your homes are unoccupied, think of the message you're sending to every potential home invader in Illinois, that if you get caught, and if it's only the first time you get caught, you only get 180 days and you don't get 4 years in the big time slammer. That's what this Bill says, and I urge everyone of you to think about that and give a no vote. This does not deserve to be passed. Thank you."

"The Gentleman from Will, Representative Regan."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Members of the House. The previous speaker spoke in issue to one of the parts of this Bill and I tend to agree with him. I believe that the Governor should amendatorily veto that part of the Bill out of this. However, the third part of the Bill stands to protect, to fill a gap in the law that says that you can sexually abuse a person with the mentality of a five year old and there is absolutely nothing in the law that says that's illegal. What that does, it places in there the same penalties that would be for a child abuser, would be for a severely and profoundly mental disabled patient. These people have to be protected. They are abused every day. When they're caught, there's no crime that they can be penalized with. If there's no violence involved, there is no crime to protect these people with the mentality of a five or six year old. I particularly placed in the Bill only the last two severely and profoundly areas of mental illness. There's two higher levels. These are only the people that have an IQ of under 40 that just don't know what's going on and they deserve to be protected. I would urge an aye vote."

"There being no further discussion, Representative Cullerton to close."

"Yes, I would just like to correct an impression that 49  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day November 6, 1987 may have been left by one of the previous speakers. We specifically amended this Bill, dealing with the residential burglary, to make it clear that the home must be unoccupied at the time of the offense. So, to label something home invaders, which is a separate offense by the way, if you're home and someone breaks in your house, it's a separate offense of home invasion which is a Class X felony, not a residential burglary. It does not cover the situation. But we have found, and I would point out this Bill is supported by the Cook County State's Attorney, testified in favor... their assistant testified in favor of the Bill in committee. What this talks about is a situation where if a judge does not want to give a first offender. who might have been a lookout in a burglary of a summer home, who's 17 years old, who's never been arrested before, they don't want to give him 4 years in jail, so the judges are reducing the offenses to burglary and the guy doesn't spend any time in jail. So, what this is designed to do and what will do in many cases, is get people who are now just getting probation, result in them getting 180 days in custody. That's one of the reasons why Senator Hawkinson sponsored the Bill with me. So... and it's supported by the State's Attorney of Cook County, so, I would appreciate your support on the Bill. Keep it in mind that there are other provisions in here, including the one that Representative Regan spoke of, which I think are improvements in the current law."

"The question is, Shall the First Conference Committee Report on Senate Bill 126 be adopted?" All those in favor say 'aye... all those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no. Voting is open. This is final passage. Sixty votes are required. Representative Regan, one minute to... excuse me, Representative Regan, for what 50  82nd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE November 6, 1987 reason do you rise? You spoke in debate, Sir."

"Can I explain my vote now?"

"No, Sir, you may not. Sixty votes are required. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 62 voting 'aye", 43 voting "no" and 7 voting *present*. Representative McCracken? Representative Wennlund asks for a verification of the affirmative. Representative Johnson wishes to be verified. Representative Johnson. Representative Wennlund, do you approve of Representative Johnson being verified? Very good. The Gentleman has leave. Poll the Affirmative, Mr. Clerk. Woops, Representative Curran ask leave to be verified also. Representative Curran and Representative Currie asks leave to be verified, Representative Dunn votes 'aye". Record Representative Dunn as 'aye'. Representative Martinez ask leave to be verified. Representative Wennlund. You have leave, Sir. Proceed, Mr. Clerk."

"Poll of the Affirmative. Berrios. Bowman. Braun. Breslin. Bugielski."

"Excuse me. Representative Leverenz votes 'no'. Proceed, Mr. Clerk."

"Continuing with the Poll of the Affirmative. Capparelli. Christensen. Countryman. Cullerton. Curran. Currie. Daley. Davis. DeJaegher. DeLeo. Dunn. Farley. Flinn. Flowers. Virginia Frederick. Giglio. Giorgi. Hicks. Huff. Johnson. Jones. Keane. Kirkland. Krska. Kulas. Lang. Laurino. Leflore. Levin. Martinez. Matijevich. Mautino. Mays. McPike. Morrow. Myron Olson. Robert Olson. William Peterson. Regan. Richmond. Ronan. Ropp. Saltsman. Satterthwaite. Shaw. Sieben. Slater. Steczo. Stern. Sutker. Terzich. Turner. Van 51  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL 'ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day Duyne. White. Williams. Wolf. Anthony Young and Wyvetter Younge." November 6, 1987

"Representative Ropp wishes to change his vote from 'aye' to 'no". Representative Mays changes his vote from 'aye' to 'no". Do you have any questions of the affirmative, Mr. Wennlund? Representative Wennlund."

"Representative Ronan?"

"Okay. Representative Ronan? Representative Al Ronan? Is the Gentleman in the chamber? Representative Al Ronan? The Gentleman is not in the chamber, remove him from the Roll Call. Representative Olson, for what reason do you rise?"

"Chairman, change my vote to 'no'."

"Representative Olson changes his vote from 'aye' to 'no'."

"Representative Huff?"

"Representative Huff? Doug Huff? Is the Gentleman in the chamber? He is not. Remove him from the Roll Call."

"Representative De Jaegher?"

"Come again?"

"Representative DeJaegher?"

"Representative DeJaegher is in the chamber."

"Representative Terzich?"

"Representative Terzich? Bob Terzich? The Gentleman is not in the chamber, remove him from the Roll Call."

"Representative Berrios?"

"Representative Braun asks leave to be verified. Does she have leave?"

"Yes."

"She has leave. Representative Berrios? Joe Berrios? The Gentleman is not in the chamber, remove him 52  82nd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE November 6, 1987 from the Roll Call."

"Representative Granberg?"

"Representative Granberg? Kirk Granberg is In... at his chair."

"Representative Laurino?"

"Representative Laurino? Bill Laurino? The Gentleman is not in the chamber, remove him from the Roll Call."

"Representative Van Duyne?"

"Representative Van Duyne is in his chair."

"Nothing further, Madam Speaker."

"Representative Rea, for what reason do you rise?"

"How am I recorded?"

"You're recorded as voting "present"."

"Please change my vote to 'aye."

"Change Representative Rea to 'aye. Representative Hultgren changes his vote from 'present' to 'aye. Representative Leverenz changes his vote from "no" to aye. Representative Frederick."

"Would you please change my vote to 'no' please."

"Change Representative Frederick from aye to "no". Representative Novak changes his vote from "present' to aye". Representative Phelps changes his vote from "no" to 'aye'. On this question, there are 59 voting 'aye", 46 voting "no" and 4 voting present'. And the Bill fails. The motion to adopt the First Conference Committee Report fails. Do you wish a Second Conference Committee? Representative Matijevich, you are recognized to make a motion with regard to the Rules."

"Madam Speaker, I would move that the House Rules Committee be... and ask unanimous consent that the House Rules Committee meet at the same time that the Legislature 53  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day November 6, 1987 is in Session."

"Well, before you do that, there are several Bills that we need exempted from the posting requirements."

"Well, I thought so. But I don't have a copy of them."

"The Bills are: House Bill 911; House Bill 1859; House Bill 2746; Senate Bill 1229 and Senate Bill 1416."

"Alright. I would still move and I guess those are agreed. If Tom McCracken would allow me to put SJR 83 with my commitment that I will not call that Resolution until January, I would like that one added. But if they don't do it, that's alright. But if he would agree to that..."

"Representative McCracken."

"I'm sorry Madam Speaker, I cannot agree to that."

"That's alright, Tom. Okay."

"2746 was one of them?"

"House Bill 2746, yes."

"Which is that?"

"It's a Flinn Bill dealing with public utility right-of-ways or rights-of-way."

"That's not 2748. I thought that was the number, is that it?"

"2746 is what the printout shows."

"Okay, good. Thank you."

"Okay. Ladies and Gentlemen, the motion before you is, 'Shall the posting requirements be waived so that the following Bills can be heard in the Rules Committee immediately: House Bill 911, 1859, 2746 and Senate Bills 1229 and 1416?' All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. And the Rule is waived. Now... So, in addition to the Bills that were posted prior to this time, these Bills will be heard immediately in the House Rules 54  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day Committee. Representative Matijevich November 6, 1987 has made a motion that the House Rules Committee be able to meet while the House is in Session. none, there... Is there any objection? Hearing the House Rules Committee will meet immediately in the Speaker's conference room to consider these Bills. Representative Matijevich, do you wish to make a separate motion on Senate Gill 83? No, he does not. Would all Members of the House Rules Committee proceed to the Speaker's conference room for a meeting of the Rules Committee. Right now. Please, thank you. Representative Giorgi in the Chair."

"Representative Giglio in the Chair٠ Committee Reports."

"Committee on Rules has met and pursuant to Rule 39(c)3 the following Bills have been ruled exempt. House Bills 911, 1736, 1859, 2070, 2276 and 2246. I'm sorry, 2746. And Senate Bills 1229 and Matijevich, Chairman." 1416, signed John

"The Chair would like to make an announcement. You know, according to our rules, there is not supposed to be any balloons or paraphernalia in the chamber. However, there is a set of balloons in the back of the chamber, red, white and blue, anybody and they're there because there is a birthday. And wants a piece of cake, they're welcome to have one. It's Representative Giglio's birthday Monday. My secretary, Robin Brinkmeier, will be happy to cut each and everyone of you a piece of cake. Can I have the Members attention? It's the intention of the Chair that as soon as Supplemental Calendar #2 comes out, we want to move some Bills and we also want to try and do some Conference Committee Reports. Hopefully, right after that both sides of the aisle will go into caucus and come back and try to resolve what we have to do. And hopefully, 55  82nd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE November 6, 1987 everybody will be on their way at an early hour this evening... what purpose does the Gentleman from Perry, rise? Representative Goforth."

"I was just wondering, Mr. Speaker, if we had a new speaker up there? It seems to me like that Gentleman was... makes a fine looking young man standing beside of you. I was wondering if he was going to help you out or what?"

"He came over here trying to help me, yes, and he says maybe one day, hopefully, he'll be in the real Chair."

"Well, I would vote for him right now because I guarantee if he was Speaker, we'd be out of here, heading home, right now."

"... Barger, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"

"Mr. Speaker, considering we have the honor of having Tammy Faye Baker here, would you ask her if she would sing a song for us, please?"

"Supplemental Calendar Announcement."

"Supplemental Calendar #2 is being distributed."

"... Introduction, First Readings."

"House Bill 2918, Mays. a Bill for an Act concerning Income Tax Refunds. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2919, Cowlishaw, a Bill for an Act relating to school districts in the Illinois Mathematics and Science Academy. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2920, Homer, a Bill for an Act to amend the Public Utilities Act. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2917, Mautino and Phelps, a Bill for an Act to amend the Environmental Protection Act. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2921, Martinez, a Bill for an Act to amend the Civil Administrative Code of Illinois. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2922, Martinez, a Bill for an Act in 56  82nd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE relation to qualified court interpreters. the Bill. November 6, 1987 First Reading of House Bill 2923, Stephens, a Bill for an Act concerning corporations. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 24. 2924, Stephens, a Bill for an Act to provide for the recall of elected officials. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2925, Johnson Hallock Mautino, et al, a Bill for an Act to amend the Boat Registration and Safety Act. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2926, Giorgi, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. First Reading of the Bill."

"... from DuPage, Representative McCracken."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I see from the Supplemental Calendar #2 the results of our Rules Committee meeting. And I'm disappointed to see that 1188 is not on this Calendar. 1188 was a Bill which had been agreed by the other side to be called and passed out of Rules all week long. At the last minute today, we hear there's some sort of change of position. I had received various commitments on that Bill. And in fact, had allowed a Bill to be taken from the table, 1616, on condition that this Bill also would go through Rules Committee and be considered on the merits. I would like an answer as to where 1188 is and some assurance that it's going to come out of Rules and be voted upon today."

"Thank you, Representative. I'll contact the Chairman of the Rules Committee and we'll see if we can work this out for you. The House will come to order. House Bill... on Supplemental Calendar #2 appears House Bill 2065. Representative Van Duyne. Is Representative Van Duyne in the chambers? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2065, a Bill for an Act relating to conducting of certain games of chance. Second Conference Committee Report." 57  82nd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE November 6, 1987

"The Gentleman from Will, Representative Van Duyne."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This has been voted out of this House once before and due to our early departure on the night we adjourned, the Senate could not act on this Bill. So, we brought it back here to review it again and add a part that was near and dear to Senator Dunn's county, in that he wanted the same exemption that Madison County and St. Clair County wanted. I just would like to say one thing in asking for your vote, this is a very, very, very important vote to the veterans of the State of Illinois. It almost amounted to either opening the door or keeping it open or turning the key in the door. Larry DePrima is back here with me and also people from the Veterans' Organization of the State of Illinois. They've been around talking to each Member of the House for a couple of days now. And everybody, I think, is aware of what we're trying to do. We're trying to keep our Veterans' Organization alive. So, I would appreciate your 'aye' vote."

"The Gentleman moves that the House do adopt Second Conference Committee Report to House Bill 2065. And on that question, the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Piel."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, will the Gentleman yield for a question?"

"Indicates he will."

"Representative, when this Bill came up before, it had veterans' groups which nobody on the House floor had any problem with, but it also had bingo halls were able to use this. We had quite a lengthy discussion about the problems with having them at bingo halls. And my question is, does this new Conference Committee Report still have bingo halls in it?" 58  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day

November 6, 1987 "Yes, it would. They would be allowed to sell them at their sessions..."

"Thank you. Thank you."

"... but it is strictly regimented to the groups that are... that are allowed now."

"To the Bill, Mr. Speaker..."

"It doesn't expand it."

"Proceed."

"To the Bill. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I don't know if you remember in the waning hours of Session in June, this came up. And the one big problem we had was that bingo licensees are basically set, as far as bingo. I would be very curious to see how the Gentleman who is sponsoring the Conference Committee Report or is speaking on the other side of the aisle, how he's going to vote on this thing because of the bingo ramifications in the Bill. I asked him before, why don't you just put in Veterans' Organizations and nobody on this side of the aisle had any problems with it. He persists in keeping bingo halls in the Bill. Bingo halls should not be in this Bill because of the problems with the state and... as far as the pull tab... jar games at bingo halls when they're sitting there doing other types of gambling per se, and I would ask for a 'no' vote. I mean the Gentleman obviously hasn't gotten the message that, you know, we've got no problems at all with the Veterans Organizations, but when he persists in putting bingo halls in there, which my feeling is a conflict of interest, I would ask for a 'no' vote on the Conference..."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Bugielski."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I rise in support of this Bill, simply because it 59  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day November 6, 1987 would benefit the Veterans' Organizations as well as many of the churches that are doing it at the present time. Even though it is illegal right now, many of these places are selling pull tabs. Many of the bingos that the churches and different charitable organizations are running. do run it and the state is making no money at the present time. At least by legalizing the jar games or the pull tabs, the state would be making an income. And what's going on right now on the streets, the state is making nothing. And at least by legalizing it, we will have some income coming in. So, I ask for your support in this Bill."

"The Lady from DuPage, Representative Cowlishaw."

"Thank you... thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I would like to call your attention to page 3..."

"Would you kindly give the Lady your attention, please."

"... I would like to call your attention to page 3 of this Conference Committee Report, beginning with line 1... line 19 or 111. It says that it is going to be alright to issue a license to conduct pull tabs and jar games to any bonafide religious, charitable, labor, fraternal, youth athletic, senior citizen, educational or Veterans' Organization, organized in Illinois which operates without profit to its members. Do you have a little league in your town? If you do, the little league can get a license and conduct this kind of fundraising. Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, do we really want to encourage our young people to learn that a good way to go about raising money is to promote gambling? My friends, I think that teaches young people the wrong lesson. As much as I believe in the importance of education for all Illinois 60  82nd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE November 6, 1987 citizens, this is one form of education which I do not believe they need. In fact, I think it would be detrimental. I see no reason why Veterans' Organizations and other organizations that are exclusively for adults, should not perhaps be given this kind of licensing provision. But youth athletic organizations, the little league, well they'll be the big league in gambling. I suggest we vote 'no'."

"The Gentleman from Champaign, Representative Johnson."

"I'm going to take a real gutsy position on this, by just simply kind of cataloguing the unbelievably inconsistent position of the State of Illinois on the question of gambling. We make it a substantial crime, I think it's probably a felony in some ways to run any sort of gambling operation, and make it against public policy on the one hand to conduct gambling operations, run numbers, rackets and that sort of thing, that may or may not be well and good. On the other hand, we turn around for charitable organizations and groups that can qualify, and make it not only legal but an encourageable activity to participate in gambling-related activities. On the other hand, notwithstanding our policy in one respect, we run the greatest Madison Avenue commercials in the world to promote the Illinois lottery. To really promote the work ethic. I mean just incredible the commercials that we run on the question of the lottery. Then on the other hand, we say no to dog racing because that promotes the sort of activity that we don't want. So I'm really not sure what the position of the State of Illinois is, with respect to the question of gambling. I know when Representative Vinson was here, one of his projects was to try to conduct a study to see what gambling really did to the economic and social 61  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day November 6, 1987 fabric of the State of Illinois. I'm not sure how this Bill really fits in, but I think it clearly says that we have no comprehensible policy at all. No consistent policy whatever in this state in any way, towards the question of gambling. If it's state run gambling in the lottery that's okay. And that may well be a good idea. And if it's some other form of gambling, it's not okay. I'm not really sure how I feel about the whole question, but I think at some point we got to take some kind of a consistent position that makes sense to the citizens of Illinois on this whole question of how we raise money, and whether it's a legitimate way to raise money, and whether those activities that are served by raising the money, are truly in fact served by the way we're doing it."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative McNamara."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. In order to clarify one of the positions that came up a little bit earlier as far as youth gambling is concerned, in the Conference Committee Report, I believe that on page 6, it specifies that Article V, no person under the age of 18 years shall play or participate in games under this Act. This specifically takes care of the youth question and the youth groups that they are talking about are only those that are run by adults and by that organization of themselves or the leadership of that particular group. I think that it's about time that we take a look at what we have done in the State of Illinois. We have reduced the funding for a lot of these groups in order to be able to raise funds, to give them funds or to allow them to do something. This is one time where we can support them by allowing them to raise the funds on their own, to be able to go out and do it. If the government is going to chop 62  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day November 6, 1987 the dollars, let's at least allow them to get the dollars from somewhere else to do the vast amount of good work that these charitable organizations do. I heartily support the issue."

"The Gentleman from Will, Representative Van Duyne, to close."

"Thank you, thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members. I appreciate the comments and the worry of some people. But I just want to reiterate something that Mr. McNamara just said. The money that is coming and derived from this is 32 of the gross, right straight from the manufacturer. Fifty percent of it goes to the common school fund and some of the rest of it... 2/3rds of it goes to the policing, to the Revenue Department. And this is one of the complaints that they've always had. They said we always give the people the right to do this but we give them no revenues to police it. So this is built into the Bill. As I said initially, this is almost a life and death position for our Veterans' Organizations. Some of the smaller, less successful Veterans' Organizations are in this state are faced with closing their doors. And this is a way for them to keep them open. And I ask for your affirmative vote."

"The Gentleman moves that the House do adopt Second Conference Committee Report to House Bill 2065. All those in favor signify by voting 'aye", those opposed 'nay". The voting is open. This will take a simple majority of 60 votes. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 71 voting 'yes', 33 voting 'no', 10 voting 'present'. And the House does adopt Second Conference Committee Report to House Bill 2065. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On Supplemental 63  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day Calendar #2 appears Senate Bill 943. Representative McPike? Representative Stec zo. Senate Bill 970... 943. The Lady from LaSalle, Representative Breslin. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 943, a 3ill for an Act to amend the Private Detective and Private Security Act. Second Conference Committee Report."

"The Lady from LaSalle, Representative Breslin."

"Thank you... thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen, this Bill is a large Bill containing several provisions in the regulatory rights and duties of the State Department, with regard to several agencies. First of all, it deals with a rewrite of the Illinois Nurse Practice Act. That is an agreed to provision of the Bill. It makes a variety of different changes. Let me just say that many of the things that the Illinois Nurses Association initially opposed in the Department's Bill have been compromised. For instance, the fine that was originally proposed to be $5,000 was reduced to $500. The numbers of grounds for discipline have been rewritten and reduced in scope. It adds a new provision that provides that nurses performing voluntary services are not liable for damages due to acts or omissions unless willful or wanton misconduct was involved. It does restructure the Nursing Committee and it makes several other provisions in that regard. For the purposes of legislative intent, I would like to note that during the negotiations on this Act, some specific issues were discussed, which should be clarified. Section 7 of the Act sets forth the powers and the duties of the Committee on Nursing. The committee is authorized to participate in a national organization of State Boards of Nursing. This language is intended to allow the committee to participate in activities of the National Council of 64  82nd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE November 6, 1987 State Boards of Nursing. However, this language will not displace the department as the voting member on the national committee. In addition to that, the Bill authorizes the committee to recommend a list of registered nurses to serve as nursing coordinator and assistant nursing coordinator. This language allows for the committee to make a recommendation on these positions. But it does not preclude any other group from making recommendations. Further, this language in no way binds the director to hiring the coordinator and the assistant from the list prepared by the committee. Especially in light of the fact that the director must hire these people pursuant to the personnel code. In addition, Section 25 identifies the grounds for discipline. Ground 4 is a pattern of practice or other behavior which demonstrates incapacity or incompetency to practice. The quote "other behavior" unquote may include mental or physical illness. This Bill still contains the language quote "nursing and includes all its specialties" unquote. You will remember that this Section was added by the Illinois General Assembly a few years back to clarify nurse specialists, which includes but is not limited to, certified registered nurse anesthetists, certified nurse midwives, clinical nurse specialists and nurse practitioners. I would also add that Section 39 dealing with the right of the director to appoint a new committee, when in a disciplinary hearing the director disagrees with the results of that disciplinary hearing. That new committee that the director is authorized to appoint is limited to that one specific hearing and that one specific problem. It does not refer to an entirely new Committee on Nursing. Further, the Bill does contain a provision that the director shall give consideration to recommendations submitted by nursing 65  82nd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE November 6, 1987 organizations in making appointments to the Committee on Nursing. It is the intent of this Bill, the intent of the drafters of the legislation and the intent of the General Assembly, should you adopt this measure, that the phrase *nursing organizations" refers to a broad variety of organizations. which have nurses as their members. The Illinois Hospital Association has a council on nursing for instance, which is made up of nurses that are concerned with nursing issues in the hospital environment. The Council on Nursing of the Illinois Hospital Association would be considered a nursing organization under this Bill. It should be noted, however, that organizations which have an interest in nursing issues and which do not have only nurses or exclusively nurses among their members are concerned about nursing issues which are addressed by the committee and they are not precluded from making recommendations to the director. Hospitals are the single most significant employer of nurses and their interest should of course be considered by the director. It should further be noted that this Bill includes rewrites of the Illinois Physicians Assistants Act. It amends the Court Reporters Act to remove the requirement to provide transcripts. It amends the Vehicle Code to make violations for certain tarpaulin equipment violations rather than moving violations. It amends the Plumbing License law to add two members to the Illinois State Board of Plumbing Examiners. It amends the Barber and Cosmetology Act to add new qualifications... sections for registration of barbers and one for cosmetologists registered elsewhere. Under the Private Detective, Private Alarm and Private Security Act, it defines a fire alarm system. It provides that the Act does not apply to persons who only sell fire alarms. It makes one of the new members added to the board a 66  82nd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE November 6, 1987 detective, rather than a public member. It grandfathers in persons not meeting experience requirements, who wish to be private alarm contractors, with approval by the Department and the Board. And it removes requirements for agency certification, that the applicant be an Illinois resident. Last but not least, it amends the Administrative Code and extends the reporting date one year to December 31st, of 1988 for the task force for the study of long term care Insurance. I would be happy to answer any questions."

"Further discussion? Hearing none, the question is, 'Shall the House adopt... the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Panayotovich.'"

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, will the Sponsor yield for some questions?"

"She indicates she will."

"Peg, on the fire alarm protection part of the legislation that you have here, do you say anything about... we're talking about being able to sell alarms, burglar alarms in the home, right?"

"Correct."

"Correct? Does it say anything about what requirements somebody has to come to somebody's house to be a salesman to sell burglar alarms or can anybody sell burglar alarms by this Act now?"

"Representative McPike will answer that question."

"The Gentleman from Madison, Representative McPike."

"Representative Panayotovich, the way I understand the current law is that a consumer can buy a residential burglar alarm in the local hardware store or at Sears or at Montgomery Wards or at a variety of other stores around the state. This would simply allow one other retail merchant, and that is AMWAY, to sell these alarms. As you probably 67  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day November 6, 1987 know that is the law in 49 other states. But for some reason, it's not the law in Illinois. So this is really just a clean up to make sure that we aren't trying to pick out and punish AMWAY, unlike we have done in the past."

"Now you're using AMWAY..."

"Yes."

"... Is there anything that... does that person that sells that burglar alarm, is there any kind of check on that person? An AMWAY salesman can be anybody, is that correct?"

"Well, if your saying that the typical AMWAY salesman goes to somebody's door, the typical Avon salesman goes to somebody's door to case the joint, I think most people would disagree with you."

"Well, isn't it a little different with a burglar alarm, when they go around the house and they show the doors, the windows, the entrances, the various parts of the house, especially putting in a burglar alarm. The point is..."

"Well, they're not putting it in. The AMWAY salesman don't put it in. This is a self-installed alarm. This is not installation..."

"But, that person still... they're selling the burglar alarm in that house, though..."

"I presume they're selling soap powder and cosmetics and a variety of other things at the house, too."

"... They come to the door. I'm not opposed to this, I just wanted to let people know about this public protection..."

"Sure. Sure."

"The... for example, you mentioned Sears, they're still there. Sears is still there the next day. Where do we find the AMWAY salesman a week later?" 68  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day

November 6, 1987 "Well, I guess if you want to file a law suit against AMWAY, you can do so simply by filing a law suit. You can do the same thing against Sears. There's no problem with that. It's a national company. I believe it's on the Board of Trade."

"Thank you. To the Bill, Mr. Speaker. All I... the point I want to bring out here is a point of public protection. This letting people come into your home and letting them look around talking about burglar alarms and to say, your window has got to be protected, your doors have to be protected. Here's what we want to do, we don't know who's coming into the house. They have a card from a company. I've talked to the Illinois Retail Merchants, they've guaranteed me that if they see a problem that we can come back at some future date, but I think for the record it should be known that this should be a matter of public protection when they let somebody in your house to sell you a burglar alarm. And the fact being that you don't know anything about them. Going to a Sears, going to a Wards, going to a Pennys' or somebody else, where you see that salesman, that reputable firm, not that AMWAY is not, you can be... anybody in this room can become an AMWAY salesman without anything but just going to apply to become a salesman. So, just remember that this might come back to us sometime about public protection. And it's unfortunate it has to be part of this entire package."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Turner."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I rise to, I guess to try and help Representative Panayotovich in the answer of his question regarding the AMWAY distributors and their ability to put in a burglar alarm units. I happen to have a conflict, I am an AMWAY distributor. The alarm unit that the company sells is a 69  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day November 6, 1987 wireless system. We don't have to look at doors and windows. Primarily, it's a system that the previous speaker and the Sponsor of the Bill suggested, is one that the person can install themself. I hope that that clarifies the intent of this legislation."

"The Gentleman from Vermilion, Representative Black."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Would the Sponsor yield for a question?"

"She indicates she will."

"Representative Breslin, if you could just clear up one thing for me. I commend you for the many months of work you've put in on the Nurse Practice Act, but I didn't hear you and forgive me if you said so and I missed it, have all parties now agreed to the Nurse Practice Act, particularly, the community colleges?"

"Yes, Sir, they have."

"Thank you very much."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Cullerton."

"Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker. With regard to the issue that's raised by one of the previous speakers, I just wanted to point out that I'm going to read from the Conference Committee. There are some protections that were put in in this Conference Committee, regarding potential sellers of burglar alarms. The Bill on... the Conference Committee on page 68 and 69, first of all, provides that the burglar alarm system, that is sold door to door must be approved by Underwriters Laboratories or another authoritative source recognized by the department. And the owner of that trademark must have expressly authorized the person to sell the trademark owners products and the person must be able to provide proof of such authorization upon 70  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day November 6, 1987 request. And finally, the owner of the trademark maintains and will provide upon the departments request, a certificate evidencing insurance for bodily injury or property damage arising from faulty or defective products in an amount not less than $1,000,000, combined single limit. So, I think that some of the issues that were raised by one of the previous speakers, have been addressed in the Conference Committee. And I think that the consumers are well protected as a result thereof."

"The Gentleman from St. Clair, Representative Flinn moves the previous question. All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. Representative moves that the House do adopt Second Conference Committee Report to Senate Bill 943. All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed 'nay'. The voting is open. One minute to explain your vote, the Gentleman from Warren, Representative Hultgren."

"Mr. Speaker, I... parliamentary inquiry. What... under the rules, how long are the Conference Committee Reports supposed to be on our desk before we're voting on them?"

"I'll ask the Parliamentarian, Representative."

"I'd appreciate a ruling under Rule 79."

"Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Gentleman from Lake, Representative Matijevich."

"Speaker, I was going to explain my vote, because someone mentioned about whether we can trust AMWAY distributors as salesmen. I just thought if you can trust someone who jumps from one party to another, you surely can trust an AMWAY salesman."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Parke." 71  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day

"Thank you, Mr. November 6, 1987 Gentlemen of the Speaker, Ladies and House, I rise in support of this legislation... especially in the section with the Nurses Practice Act. As a member of the Registration and Regulation Committee, that section has been worked on for months and months. I'm pleased on behalf of all people who work in the nursing profession to have this legislation finally ready and agreed upon. And I commend the Sponsor, Peg Breslin, on the hard work that she's put in as well as all parties in the nursing industry who have worked so diligently to make sure that we had an acceptable piece of legislation."

"The Gentleman from Macon. Representative Dunn: Dunn." "Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I rise in support of the next Bill, and I wish we would move on to it. Thank you."

"Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, 113 voting 'yes', none voting 'no', 1 voting 'present'. And the House does adopt Second Conference Committee Report to Senate Bill 943 and this Bill, having received the extra majority of votes, is hereby declared passed. The Gentleman from Warren, Representative Hultgren."

"Has the Parliamentarian had enough time to review that inquiry that I made?"

"He's still looking it up in the book. It's really thick at this time of the year."

"Yeah, I understand that. Rule 79 is... Page 36, if he can't find it."

"He was looking at 89. On Supplemental Calendar #2 appears House Bill 2852. Clerk, read the Bill."

Representative Frederick. Mr. "House Bill 2852, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Act on the Aging. Second Conference Committee 72  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE November 6, 1987 82nd Legislative Day Report."

"The Gentleman from Lake, Representative Matijevich move that the House Rules Committee meet immediately in back of the chambers in the Speakers conference room to consider Senate Bill 1188. All those on the committee please retire to the conference room. Does he have leave? Hearing none, by the attendance roll call, the Rules Committee meets immediately. Is there leave to meet while the House in still in Session? Leave is granted. All those... Leave is granted to allow the Rules Committee to meet in the Speaker's conference room in back of the House chambers immediately while the House is in Session. Hearing none, leave is granted. The members of the Rules Committee please retire to the Speaker's conference room. The Lady from Lake, Representative Frederick on House Bill 2852."

"Thank you. Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I move that the House do adopt the Second Conference Committee Report. The major part of the Bill dealt with the increase of the numbers of board members by two on the Alzheimer's Task Force. Senate, in their Conference Committee, added the powers of a municipality to erect and maintain a nursing home. I move that we adopt the Second Conference Committee Report."

"The Lady moves that the House do adopt the Second Conference Committee Report to House Bill 2852. And on that question, hearing none, all those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed 'nay'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 106 voting... record Representative DeLeo as 'aye'. On this question, there are 107 voting 'yes', 3 voting 'no', 1 voting 'present'. And the House 73  82nd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE November 6, 1987 does adopt the Second Conference Committee Report to House Bill 2852. And this Bill, having received the extraordinary majority, is hereby declared passed. On Supplemental Calendar #2 appears Senate Bill 484. Gentleman from Madison, Representative McPike. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 484, a Bill for an Act to amend the Unemployment Insurance Act. First Conference Committee Report."

"The Gentleman from Madison, Representative McPike. Senate Bill 484 amends the Unemployment Insurance Act."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I'm not going to try to describe everything that's in this Bill. I think it's sufficient to compliment both organized labor and management that have negotiated in good faith of starting, I think, last March and carried through negotiations over the summer and as late as yesterday and finally signed off on a five year package. I think it should be noted that in 1983 when we were $2,000,000,000 in debt, no one ever believed that we would pay off the debt and have a positive balance in our trust fund by November of 1987. But in fact, we did pay off 2.2 billion dollars. We have $800,000,000 in our trust fund. Our last payment to the federal government is due on the 9th and we intend to make that payment. This is a package that will stand a five year period. It allows for benefit increases for labor and at the same time it escapes the federal penalty tax for management. I think it will go a long way to bettering the business climate in Illinois, making us competitive with the other states in the country and at the same time protecting our unemployed workers. I'd ask everyone to support the Conference Committee Report." 74  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day November 6, 1987

"The Lady from Cook, Representative Didrickson."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. For Members on our side of the aisle who haven't had an opportunity to discuss this with us, we do stand in agreement with Representative McPike's comments. It does further us towards solvency in reliance on a trust fund at the state level, versus the continued borrowing since 1975 from the federal government. There is something in there for labor and there is certainly something in there for business. And in terms of the agreed Bill process, we stand behind and fully support this report."

"Further discussion? The Gentleman from Winnebago, Representative Giorgi."

"Mr. Speaker, I also rise in support of the agreement to congratulate all of the negotiators at the bargaining table. But I want to put a statement in on behalf of the U.A.W., in saying that both sides have participated in the lengthy and difficult set of negotiations. Significant progress was made toward an agreement other than the lockout issue. In the interest of keeping the UI system solvent, they have agreed on a partial solution of the lockout issue as part of the overall agreement. Further legislative assemblies are not bound by actions of previous assemblies. and this agreement does not do that either. The agreement provides for untested formulas for the adjustment of benefits and other provisions that may require revisions. At any time during the five year agreement, introduction of legislation to further address UI issues including lockout may occur. With this understanding, labor is united in the passage of the package. And I endorse the statement and the work of the negotiators."

"Further discussion? The question is, Shall the 75  82nd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE November 6, 1987 House adopt the First Conference Committee Report to Senate Bill 484?" All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed 'nay'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 114 voting 'yes', none voting 'no' and none voting 'present'. And the House does adopt the First Conference Committee Report to Senate Bill 484. And this Bill, having received the extraordinary majority, is hereby declared passed. In the gallery, up on our left, are two former Democratic Staff members who, I believe, found bliss while they were working on the Democratic side. Please welcome Tim Satterfield and Laura Lodemeier. On supplemental Calendar #2 appears House Bill 1038. Representative Rea. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 1038, a Bill for an Act to amend the Community Mental Health Act. Second Conference Committee Report."

"The Gentleman from Franklin, Representative Rea."

"Thank you, Mr... thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. House Bill 1038 amends the Community Mental Health Act. This is the Second Conference Committee Report. The first one would have been okay, but the Minority Leader had an addition he wanted to add, so we took it back for the second one. The Bill passed out of the House, initially 110-1 and out of Senate 58-0. This deals with... with the Franklin-Williamson County Mental Health services in terms of their board of... making some corrections there. It also permits townships, in fact all townships, to provide facility and services for the mentally retarded and developmentally disabled by special levy, which is a front door referendum. It provides coordinating mental health 76  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day November 6, 1987 authority any purchase or improvement of real property to be approved by the individual township community mental health boards under that authority. This was proposed by the Illinois Association of Community Mental Health Authorities. And I would ask for its approval."

"The Gentleman asks that the House do adopt the Second Conference Committee Report to House Bill 1038. And on that question, the Gentleman from DuPage, Minority Leader, Representative Daniels."

"Representative Rea, I understand that at our request that you have extended the Township Mental Health Facility Act to include all townships in the State of Illinois, is that correct?"

"That is correct."

"And with that change I'm very happy to endorse and support this very good Bill."

"Thank you."

"Thank you."

"The Lady from Kane, Representative Deuchler."

"... Yield for a question?"

"He indicates he will."

"Representative Rea, I'm noticing here in our analysis, that it's saying that community mental health boards must send copies of their budgets and annual reports to us in our districts. Is... would that also include plans that they might have to get permission for property purchase or property improvements? We have an organization called a mental health governing body that is appointed by 708 funds. Would they be required to get permission and to inform the government... governing body?"

"This legislation would only require a copy of the budget and annual report be submitted to Members of the General Assembly." 77  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day November 6, 1987

"Well, it does go on to say that a coordinating body would also obtain the approval of the governing body and I'm assuming that that would be an organization, an umbrella organization that makes up the 708 board."

"That only applies to the one board there in this case. Yeah."

"This is on a slightly different issue than the copies of the budgets and reports. This also goes on to stipulate purchase for improvement of the property such as 708 monies being involved in real estate transactions. Could you clarify that?"

"Okay. As far as the purchase or the improvement of real property to be approved and I believe that's your question, it would only apply to the...to the one office there. It would not be...yeah, in Aurora. It would not be statewide."

"Well that's on page 11, I believe, where the coordinating body would go back and tell the 708 boards if they plan to build or acquire property. Is that correct?"

"That's... That's correct. Yeah. Yeah."

"Thank you."

"Representative Rea to close."

"I would just ask for an 'aye vote."

"The Gentleman moves that the House do adopt the Second Conference Committee Report to House Bill 1038. And on that question, all those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed 'nay'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question there are 114...115 voting 'yes', none voting 'no', none voting 'present' and the House does adopt the Second Conference Committee Report to House Bill 1038. And this Bill having received the extra majority is hereby declared 78  82nd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL AS SEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE November 6, 1987 passed. On Supplemental Calendar #2, appears Senate Bill 1322. Representative Wojcik. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House (sic - Senate) Bill 1322, a Bill for An Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Clinical Laboratory Act. Second Conference Committee Report."

"The Lady from Cook, Representative Wojcik."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. Senate Bill 1322, Conference Committee Report #2, deletes everything in the Bill and amends the Illinois Marriage and Dissolution of Marriage Act, to change the time frame for testing for transmissible syphilis. Prior to making change, the time frame...excuse me. I'm trying to read here. What this Conference Committee Report does is, it brings the time from fifteen days to thirty days to coincide with the syphilis testing. And the report also amends the Nursing Home Care Reform Act of 1979, to provide that nursing home licenses shall normally be issued for a period of one year by the Director of Public Health, but may be Issued for periods of between six and eighteen months in order to distribute expiration dates throughout the calendar year. The changes to the Nursing Home Act would also empower the Department of Public Health to petition the court for appointment of a receiver of a nursing facility when the department is notified that the facility is terminated, or will not be renewed for participation in the medicare or medicaid reimbursement programs. The reason for this Conference Committee Report, it is needed to make the time frames for the laboratory tests to obtain a marriage license consistence with each other and the change will prevent the problem of engaged couples being forced to cancel wedding plans due to the confusion over the differing time frames. Without this change, HIV tests must be done within 30 days of making application to get 79  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day November 6, 1987 married, while syphilis tests must be done within 15 days. The differing time frames only serve to confuse individuals seeking to a marriage license. The changes of the Nursing Home Act are intended to accomplish two important purposes. First, the department's inspectional and paper workload involved in the renewal of nursing home licenses could be more evenly distributed throughout the year. Secondly, empowering the department to place a receiver in a nursing home being nonrenewed or terminated from the medicare or medicaid reimbursement programs, would enable the department to continue operation of the facility while corrective actions are being taken. An abrupt removal of patients from the facility could be avoided. This is particularly important, since many times another adequate facility is not available for the patients transfer. These provisions have been agreed to by the department and representatives of the nursing home industry and I move its favorable adoption."

"The Lady moves that the House do adopt the Second Conference Committee Report to Senate Bill 1322. And on that question, the Gentleman from Warren, Representative Hultgren."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I wondered whether the Parliamentarian had an opportunity to answer my question?"

"Representative Hultgren, the Parliamentarian informs me that it takes three days before a Bill could be considered and we take action. However, to suspend a rule, that rule, it would take 60 votes. And from here on in we will take a vote previous to any Conference Committee Report, before we start debating."

"I don't want to raise any rights under the rule, I was just curious as to what the rule was. Thank you very much." 80  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day

"Thank you. November 6, 1987 The... Further discussion? All those in favor of adopting the Second Conference Committee Report to Senate Bill 1322, vote 'aye', those opposed vote 'nay". The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question there are 114 voting "yes", none voting 'no' and none voting 'present and the House does adopt Second Conference Committee Report to Senate Bill 1322. And this Bill having received the extra majority is hereby declared passed. Committee Reports."

"The Committee on Rules has met and pursuant to Rule 29c3, the following Bill has been exempt: House Bill 1188. Signed, John Matijevich, Chairman."

"The Gentleman from Lake, Representative Churchill."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. The Senate has refused the First Conference Committee Report on House Bill 998. So at this point, I would move to not accept the First Conference Committee Report on House Bill 998 and request that a second Conference Committee be appointed."

"The Gentleman moves that the House do not accept the First Conference Committee Report to House Bill 998. All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair the 'ayes' have it and the House motion's adopted and a second Conference Committee will be appointed. On Supplemental 23, appears motions, House Bill 1188. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Motion. I move to take from the table, suspend Rule 79e and place House Bill 1188 on the Order of Speaker's Table, Conference Committee Report."

"The Lady from Lake, Representative Frederick."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the 81  82nd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE November 6, 1987 House. I move that we suspend Rule 79e, take House Bill 1188 from the table and place on the Order of Conference Committee Reports."

"The Lady moves that the House adopt the motion. All those in favor signify...all those in favor. Leave to...for the Attendance Roll Call? Hearing none, leave is granted and the House accepts the motion to take from the table and suspend Rule 79 on House Bill 1188. The Lady from Lake, Representative Frederick."

"Mr. Speaker, could we please have immediate consideration of House Bill 1188?"

"Is the intention to adopt the First Conference Committee Report, or reject it?"

"Yes."

"Yes...yes to adopt it?"

"Yes, yes we do. And it has not been printed, so I guess that answers that. It isn't...it isn't a Conference Committee Report, it's a concurrence. It's a concurrence."

"In answer to the Lady from Lake, the Bill has to be printed. The Senate did accept the Conference Committee Report. We'll have it printed and distributed and we'll take action once it's been distributed on the Member's desks."

"Thank you."

"It's a Conference Committee Report. The Gentleman from Jackson, Representative Richmond, for what purpose do you rise, Sir?"

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise to request a waiving of the posting rules of the Economic Development Committee. I've spoken to the leaders on both sides concerning this, on House Bill 1684. I request unanimous consent to...for the posting rules to be waived."

"Gentleman asks leave that the posting rules be 82  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day November 6, 1987 suspended for House Bill 1684. From what Committee was that, Representative Richmond?"

"Economic Development Committee."

"Economic..."

"Yes."

"...Development Committee."

"Right. I've spoken to the Chairman and the Minority Spokesman."

"The Gentleman moves that the House posting rules be suspended and that this be...Bill be heard by the House Rules Committee immediate...by the Economic Development Committee. Gentleman have leave? Leave by the Attendance Roll Call? Leave is granted. Supplemental Calendar #1 on Concurrence appears House Bill 911. Representative Brunsvold. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 911, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act in relation to emergency telephone systems, together with Senate Amendment #1."

"Representative Brunsvold."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I would move to concur with Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 911. A little background on the Bill. Senate Amendment #1 would become the Bill. The Bill left the House here as a study Bill to study the 911 system and what we could do to fund that program. And over the summer we had hearings and we met after the hearings in the fall, early fall with the telephone company who have removed their opposition to the Bill now and are working...I want to congratulate them and thank them for their efforts on helping put this Bill together, working with the Board of Elections, with the LRB, with the Police Chiefs, Fire Chiefs and the interested parties in putting this Bill together, and Senate Amendment #1 becomes the Bill and it 83  82nd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE November 6, 1987 sets up a front door referendum for a surcharge on phone lines to fund the 911 program. Right now in the state, the 911 program is funded out of the General Revenues for the county or the city or municipalities, and this is ground breaking legislation that would allow us now to put a surcharge as requested by front door referendum on that phone bill. And that was the opposition that was raised early in the spring by the phone companies. They have since removed that opposition. The Bill sets up for that referendum for the board to be set up to administer the program and implement that program with the maximum charge being what was approved by the referendum. And I would be happy to answer any questions dealing with House Bill 911."

"The Gentleman from DuPage, Representative McCracken."

"I'm not opposed to the Bill, Mr. Speaker, but I see that this Bill is on Motions on Calendar 2 and Concurrence on Calendar 1. Same situation 1188 is in, I guess. Does the Gentleman have to take this from the table in order to proceed on concurrence?"

"Alright, the proper motion is to take it from the table. Representative Brunsvold moves that Sen... House Bill 911 be taken from the table. It has been exempt by rules. All those in favor signify by saying 'aye", those opposed 'nay". In the opinion of the Chair, the "ayes have it. The motion carries. The Bill has now been taken from the table and placed on the Order of Concurrence. Further discussion? Representative McCracken. The Gentleman from Lake, Representative Matijevich. The Gentleman from McHenry, Representative Klemm."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, will the Sponsor yield for a question?" 84  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE November 6, 1987 82nd Legislative Day

"Indicates he will."

"Representative Brunsvold, there are some areas, I think, in the state that have already started the 911 in some of the areas. How does this then affect their funding, where they had taken it from the counties or the cities, municipalities and their dollars? How does this refund or recoup for them what you're trying to do for the areas that don't have 911 now?"

"Well, this would also affect, Representative Klemm, the areas that do have it. If they have a normal 911 system, they can improve that system and go to enhance 911, to improve that system. Now, this Bill does not dictate anything done on the local level. It's up to the local counties and municipalities to work out intergovernmental agreements to solve the problem you're talking about. This is simply a method for them to acquire the funding for the program once it's approved by the voters. So, if you've got a county...or city that has it right now and they want to go countywide, then that city should meet with the other cities and the county and work out their problem SO that they can go to referendum and solve their problem with what they have already."

"Well, you're assuming they have problems. I'm going by the assumption there are no problems where they're having it. The City of Chicago has 911 right now."

"Right."

"Would they be able to go by referendum and start recovering on a surcharge or this extra fee the millions of dollars they've spent already on the program?"

"No, they can't do that."

"So, it's only for those who haven't gone through this before that will have the luxury of having a front door referendum and the tax extra add on." 85  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day

November 6, 1987 "Well, most... most referend... most 911 systems right now would be strictly just straight 911 without enhanced. And they would want to go to an enhanced situation which would mean a lot more equipment at very high cost."

"What of the voters turned down the referendum in the areas you're talking about it?"

"If they turned it down, then they won't have 911 system."

"Fine, fine, thank you very much."

"Further discussion? The Gentleman from Kankakee, Representative Novak."

"Mr... Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I rise in support of this Bill and I'd like to commend the Representative from Milan, Representative Brunsvold, the phone company and all the other interested parties that worked out the differences in this Bill. It's a very important Bill for the State of Illinois, for life safety measures. We had public hearings around the state and Representative Brunsvold took a bunch of people that were very interested in this to hearings around the state. And we had one in the City of Kankakee and we had a very, very substantial interest in it. We've had a substantial interest in it for quite some time because of funding mechanisms. And I believe this Bill requires a very equitable funding mechanism. It gives the people the right, in a very democratic way, to say either yes or no to a system that may some day save your son or your daughters lives or your relatives lives. So, I rise in support. Thank you very much."

"The Gentleman from DuPage, Representative Hensel."

"Thank you. Mr. Speaker. Would the Sponsor yield?"

"Indicates he will." 86  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day November 6, 1987

"I have a question. If this surcharge is approved by referendum how long will that surcharge be in effect or will that be on the referendum?"

"The surcharge will be in effect as long as they have the 911 system. The board that is appointed after the referendum passes, would be in charge of administering the program, the 911 system. And as long as they had a 911 system, that board would administer the money through the surcharge to fund the program. And it could be lowered at any time and that will happen on every one of them usually, because the initial cost will be great for the equipment and once that's purchased then it will drop back to a maintenance cost of probably from 10 to 20 cents per line, or approximately between 2 and 3 dollars a year."

"Okay, so..."

"Very minimal costs."

"It... it will state on the referendum that's presented to the constituents then, how much the surcharge will be?"

"Oh, yes. That... that... that in the Bill is left blank so that the locals of municipalities or counties can insert in there what it will cost them to implement the 911 system."

"And then it could not exceed that but it could get lower in succeeding years?"

"It will never exceed that amount and probably 100% would be less than that amount after the first two years."

"Okay, thank you."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Parke."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I rise also in support of this legislation. My home community of Hoffman Estates has requested that I support this legislation because they would like to 87  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day November 6, 1987 implement 911, but as a municipality they would have to assume major expenses throughout that area to implement it just for their own community. This legislation now allows it to be spread out among the other various municipalities in the county that would be interested in having this kind of program. So, I ask that you do pass and support this legislation."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Panayotovich."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Last spring the Law Enforcement Advisory Committee, which met on a weekly basis. made up of the various law agencies, wholeheartedly support this issue. And I commend Representative Brunsvold for the hard work you put in over the summer on this. And everybody should know that the law enforcement agencies did wholeheartedly endorse this in the spring. And I urge an 'aye vote."

"The Gentleman from Rock Island, Representative Brunsvold, to close."

"Thank you, Mr... thank you, Mr. Speaker. In... just in closing, I would like to read the initial remarks on a article that appeared in a Reader's_Digest a very short time ago. It said, "the fast, fail-safe technology of enhance 911 systems is turning the telephone into the most effective lifesaver, crime fighter on the block. Does your community have one?" And that's the issue now. We can... we can pass this Bill and allow the citizens to institute a 911 system, which is a lifesaver, crime fighter for their neighborhood. And I ask for your support on House Bill 911."

"The question is, Shall the House concur with Senate Amendment 1 to House Bill 911?" All those in favor signify by voting 'aye", those opposed 'nay. The voting 88  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day November 6, 1987 is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 112 voting 'yes', none voting 'no", none voting 'present', and the House... the House does concur with Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 911. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. The Gentleman from Lake, Representative Matijevich."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, we've got a corrective procedural matter with the Bill that was discussed moments ago by Bruce Richmond. And I therefore move to suspend the rules, the posting notice on House Bill 1684, so that this Bill can be heard in the Rules Committee immediately. And to suspend the rules so that we can meet at the same time as the House. And this has been cleared on both sides."

"You heard the motion. All those in favor signify by saying 'aye", those opposed 'nay". In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes have it. Motion carries by the Attendance Roll Call. Rules Committee will please retire to the back of the chamber in the Speaker's conference room for immediate consideration of House Bill 1684, while the House is in Session. Supplemental Calendar #2 appears Senate Bill 1229 under motions. Representative Cullerton moves that the House suspend Rule 79 and place it on the Calendar on the Order of Speaker's Table on the Order of Nonconcurrence. Any objection? Hearing none, leave is granted. Attendance Roll Call. Alright, the next motion now is that Representative Cullerton moves that House refuse to recede to Senate Bill... Alright, we'll go to Supplemental #1. Supplemental #1 under Nonconcurrence appears Senate Bill 1229. Representative Cullerton now moves that the House refuse to recede from House Amendments 89  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day November 6, 1987 #1 and 2 to Senate Bill 1229. Any discussion? Hearing none, all those in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'nay". In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. And the House refuses to recede from House Amendments #1 and 2 to Senate Bill 1229 and a Conference Committee be appointed. Also on Supplemental #1, appears Senate Bill 1377. Representative Young. Representative Young moves that the House refuse to recede on House Amendments #1 and 2 to Senate Bill 1377. All those in favor signify by saying 'aye, those opposed 'nay". In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. And the House refuses to recede on House Amendments #1 and 2 to Senate Bill 1377 and a Conference Committee be appointed. The Chair would now like to announce that the House Democrats go to Room 114 for House Democratic Caucus immediately. And Representative McCracken moves that the House Republicans go to Room 118 immediately for a Republican Conference. And we will return immediately after the conferences to the House floor. Representative Breslin in the Chair."

"Supplemental Calendar announcement."

"Supplemental Calendar #4 has been distributed."

"Committee Reports."

"The Committee on Rules has met and pursuant to Rule 29c3, the following Bill has been exempt: House Bill 1684."

"Ladies and Gentlemen, we are going to start with Supplemental #4. Supplemental Calendar #4. Members should be in their seats and prepared to present these Conference Committee Reports. Representatives Curran, Harris, Flinn and Goforth, you have Bills on this order. Representative Har... Representative Goforth is the only Member in the chamber. I guess ready to proceed at this 90  STATE OF ILLINOIS' 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day November 6, 1987 time. So, with leave of the Body, we'll go to Conference Committee Reports, on Supplemental 74. And the first Bill to be called... House Bill 2797. Representative Goforth moves that we suspend Rule 79d, which provides that Conference Committee Reports should be on our table for a minimum of... Representative Goforth."

"Madam Speaker, take it out of the record."

"Out of the record. House Bill 99. Representative Curran. Representative Curran."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Conference Committee Report #2 to House Bill 99 just passed the Senate 55-0. The principal component parts now have been agreed to by the Cook County State's Attorney, the Department of Children and Family Services, the Illinois Action for Children and I would say that any of the language that had hung us up earlier, has been long since taken out and we've fashioned now a very streamlined, easy to get along with product. I don't think that there's any disagreement with either side of the aisle. And I ask for a favorable roll call."

"Representative Curran first asks leave to suspend Rule 79d so that House Bill 99 can be heard. Is there any objection? Hearing none, the Gentleman has leave. And he has moved that the House adopt the Second Conference Committee Report on House Bill 99. On that question, the Gentleman from DuPage, Representative McCracken."

"We're on the merits of the Conference Committee Report?"

"We are."

"Yes, Representative Curran is correct, I thank him for his courtesies. The Bill is agreed upon and I'm in favor of it." 91  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day

November 6, 1987 "There being no further discussion, the question is, Shall the House adopt the Second Conference Committee Report on House Bill 99?* All those in favor vote "aye", all those opposed vote 'no". Voting is open. This is final passage. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 110 voting 'aye, none voting 'no' and none voting present'. And the House does adopt the Second Conference Committee Report on House Bill 99. And this Bill, having received the required Majority, is declared passed. Representative Morrow wishes to be recorded as voting 'aye on House Bil1 99. Representative Cullerton is recognized for a motion. Representative Matijevich in the Chair."

"Yes, I would move that we suspend Rule 79d, dealing with Conference Committees, SO that we can consider the Conference Committees tonight."

"Representative Cullerton has moved that... for unanimous consent of the House that the Rule be suspended on the subject of Conference Committee Reports. SO all Conference Committee Reports can be heard tonight. Does he have leave? Leave. And we will use the Attendance Roll Call for that motion. With leave of the House I would like to introduce, next to Karen Hasara's seat there, Sam Conti, who is the Administrative Director of the Supreme Courts, the Courts of Illinois, Sam Conti, in the middle aisle. The next Bill is House Bill 1055. Representative Breslin. The Clerk will read the Mo... with leave of the House, we will hear House Bill 1055. And we've already had leave. Representative Breslin, the Lady from LaSalle."

"Ladies and Gentlemen, I move that we adopt the Second Conference Committee Report on House Bill 1055. This Bill now only includes and the provision that deals with the 92  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day November 6, 1987 Field Sanitation Act. The... at one time there was objection from the Farm Bureau. In this Conference Committee Report, the objection of the Farm Bureau has been removed because the... the Bill does not apply to detasselers and to bean walkers. What the Bill does is provides that field workers have ready access to hand washing facilities and sanitation facilities and contaminate-free materials so that they can protect their own health and protect the health of you and I, who are consumers of the produce that they handle. It is supported by all parties at this point, the Department of Public Health, the Farm Worker Ministry Consortium, the Illinois Catholic Conference, the Illinois Nurses Association, the Illinois AF of L-CIO. I think it is a good provision and a step forward. And I certainly urge that we adopt this Conference Committee Report."

"The Lady from LaSalle, Representative Breslin has moved for the adoption of the Second Conference Committee Report on House Bill 1055. On that, the Gentleman from Livingston, Representative Ewing."

"Representative, how... does this apply to just anybody you have working the fields? What are the numbers? What's the..."

"This covers any individual who is engaged in employment involving the harvesting, planting or cultivating of food or nursery products by manual labor. The term 'agricultural worker' does not include individuals whose principal occupation is not agricultural employment, unless such individuals are required to be away from their permanent place of residence overnight. In particular, it primarily applies to migrant farm workers."

"And so if we have... if you have a group of migrant workers walk your bean fields, it's going to apply to 93  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day them?" November 6, 1987

"It certainly is. And that's what the current law applies to, Sir."

"Well, why are you tightening it up then? Why do we have this if we already have that? I'm not talking about beans you eat, I'm talking about soybeans."

"Soybeans. Yes, I know..."

"Yes, soybeans."

"It does not apply to bean walkers or to detasselers, Sir."

"You say it does not?"

"It does not. No, it does not. That has been amended out. The Farm Bureau has gone neutral on the Bill."

"Thank you."

"There being no further discussion, the question is, 'Shall the House adopt the Second Conference Committee Report on House Bill 1055?' Those in favor signify by voting 'aye', opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? On this question, there are 92 'ayes', 14 'nays', 1 answering 'present'. And this motion, having received the Constitutional Majority, the House does adopt the Second Conference Committee Report on House Bill 1055. Representative Breslin in the Chair."

"House Bill 1188. Representative Harris. Representative Frederick, for what reason do you rise? Do you wish to present this Bill? Proceed, Representative Frederick."

"Yes. Yes, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I think my lead Sponsor was just going to relinquish to me. So..."

"Very good. Proceed."

"I move that the House do adopt Conference Report... 94  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day November 6, 1987 Conference Committee Report #1 to House Bill 1188. The main change that was put on the Bill by the Senate was a change from 10 years to deteriorated condition of a mobile home. So, I move that the House do adopt First Conference Committee Report."

"The Lady moves that the House adopt the First Conference Committee Report on House Bill 1188. All those in... On that question, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Kankakee, Representative Novak."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield please?"

"She will."

"Representative, what are the Mobile Home Association feel about this Conference Report?"

"The communications..."

"...The Mobile Home Park Owner's Association..."

"I believe the Mobile Home Park Owner's are against the Bill."

"...They are against..."

"However, the mobile home owner's are much in favor of this Bill. It's a much needed redress of injuries that have been suffered by the mobile home owners."

"Okay, thank you."

"The Gentleman from McHenry, Representative Klemm."

"Will the Sponsor yield for a question?"

"She will."

"Virginia, I was reading this and I just had a question on that, if you were to visit my mobile home and we're having dinner, and I said, 'yes, I would like to sell this mobile home'. And you said, 'yeah, I'd like to buy it'. And I sold it to you. How would I have gotten, prior to the sale, how would the park owner have known that prior to the 95  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day November 6, 1987 sale that he had given me written notice to correct any deficiencies to move this thing or to do anything that it says here, because I don't have to talk to him before I sell it to you?"

"That's correct."

"I mean, how could I live up to... how could I live up to that?"

"Well, the Mobile Home Park Owner would not be allowed, as is happening today in great numbers, of removing a home from the park unless the home is less than 12 feet wide, unless it's in a very seriously deteriorated condition. What's going on now..."

"But... but... but, that's true, but only prior to the sale I had to give you notice. If I don't know you were going to sell your home, how would I have come to you and said, 'here's a notice just in case you're going to sell it'. I mean is that what the park owner would have to do? A park has a hundred mobile homes, it would be best that on the first day of the year, he sends a notice to everybody saying, "you better fix it up, because I don't know when you're going to sell your mobile home"."

"Well, I think now, under the law, a mobile home owner has a right to sell his home whenever he chooses. I don't think that's any different."

"No, but you're... but you're saying that the park owner is prohibited from doing anything unless he gives you notice prior to your selling it, but you don't tell him when you're going to sell it. So, how can he know when you're going to sell it to give you notice?"

"Well, I think you do. You must get a notice..."

"You know, but I think it's unfair to a park owner who is trying to clean up his park, to get rid of a run-down, rat-ridden mobile home..." 96  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE November 6, 1987 82nd Legislative Day

"Well, under this Bill..."

"... When you don't give him notice, that's all. But, I understand what you're doing. I'm not opposing your Bill. I don't think it was drafted very well to be honest with you."

"Well, I... I really think that it's going to correct a lot of abuses that have gone on in our parks. Maybe you haven't had that problem in your district, but there certainly are problems like this around the state."

"Because of your integrity and knowing you wouldn't sponsor a poor Bill, I'll certainly vote for it, but I think you should look at it closer."

"Thank you."

"There being no furthe... Representative Harris.

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I would just like to address myself to Representative Klemm's question. Right now, Representative Klemm, the park owner has the authority to remove that park arbitrarily as... under current law. So, this actually tightens it up a little bit and gives the mobile home owner a little bit more... a little bit more chance of avoiding that arbitrariness. The short end of the stick right now is being held by the mobile home owner at the discretion of a park owner and this just sort of evens it out a little bit. And I hope that answers the question."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Panayotovich."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"She will." 97  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day November 6, 1987

"Representative, we talked about this a little while ago. and having the only trailer park in the City of Chicago, it's definitely a concern of the tenants in my trailer park, and I understand that they want this passed. The problem that I had and I guess maybe not even a question for the record, that you will agree to if you would, that in part of this legislation you talk about significantly deteriorated or in substantial disrepair. Okay, now, doesn't say what happens, what legal rights, where do they go, what kind of enforcement we have. Would you be able to, maybe in the spring, to sit down and go over this, because according to the mobile home owners, this could be in litigation in the courts for five, six years and they could either be thrown out of the park or not be thrown out of the park and not have a place to live. So, would... could we work on this in the spring and I think it would take care of a lot of the concerns of the people on the floor?"

"As I told you, Representative Panayotovich, I'd be very glad to work with you in trying to iron out this problem that you see with the Bill."

"I... I see no problem with the Bill. It's a good Bill. The people out in the communities want it. They're talking about a 12 foot trailer, there's very few 10 foot trailers even left and most of them got to be 34 years old...30 or 40 years old. So, I move to... I urge an 'aye' vote to adopt this Conference Court (sic) Report."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Leverenz. Representative Leverenz."

"Will the Lady yield?"

"The Lady will yield to a question. Representative Frederick."

"What is in the Conference Committee Report because I'm 98  82nd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE November 6, 1987 asking a question as we heard a couple of weeks ago, when a Legislator stood on this floor and very impassionately said, they snuck it through at the last minute and that person was promised that it would never happen again. The same thing is happening here. The Sponsor of the Bill agreed that he would not hear it or deal with it until the spring. So, please explain the Conference Committee Report."

"Actually, Representative Leverenz, the Bill was not discussed on the floor on Concurrence, because we adjourned before that could happen. What the Conference Committee Report says, is 'the park owner is prohibited from requiring upon the sale by a tenant of a mobile home to a qualified purchaser, the removal from the park of such mobile home unless the mobile home is less than 12 feet wide or is significantly deteriorated and in substantial disrepair, in which case the park owner shall bear the burden of demonstrating such fact and must, prior to sale, have given the tenant written notice thereof, and that unless first corrected, removal will be required upon sale. Now the reason this legislation is necessary is because only last week in downstate Illinois, 500 home owners met in a meeting and one after the other complained about the fact that a park owner came to their door one day and said, 'tomorrow we're pulling your trailer out of the park. These were senior citizens and disabled people in some cases, and it really wasn't fair to the mobile home owner, in my opinion. So, I'm hoping that this legislation will correct the abuse that I see."

"What are the standards that are in the Conference Committee Report?"

"I don't understand what you mean by that?"

"Well, you said deteriorated, who proves that? Who 99  82nd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE November 6, 1987 side is it to prove that?"

"That... that... that language was decided on in the Senate and I do not know what the standards are that requ... that define deteriorated. That was the language of the..."

"...It has... it in effect has no standards."

"Pardon me."

"It in fact has no standards."

"It passed the Senate."

"It has no standards, is that correct?"

"I do not know whether it does or not."

"Why don't you take it out of the record until you can answer that question?"

"I do not want to take it out of the record at this time. I'd like to vote on the Bill. If I might please."

"There being no further discussion, Representative Frederick to close."

"Yes, I'm just asking that we adopt Conference Committee Report #1 to House Bill 1188."

"The question is, 'Shall the House adopt the First Conference Committee Report to House Bill 1188?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Seventy-one votes are required for passage or for adoption of this Conference Committee Report. This is final passage. This is final passage. Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 93 voting 'aye', 12 voting 'no' and 7 voting 'present'. This Bill... Representative Parcells wishes to vote 'aye'. There are 94 voting 'aye', 12 voting 'no', 7 voting 'present'. This Bill, having received the required extraordinary majority, is hereby declared passed. And the House does adopt the First Conference Committee Report on House Bill 18... 1188. House Bill 2748. 100  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day Representative Flinn. Monroe Flinn. November 6, 1987 Representative Flinn. Representative Flinn, do you wish to have your Bill called? Proceed, Sir."

"Madam Speaker, I would move to adopt the Second Conference Committee Report of House Bill 2748. It originally dealt with the fees for the recorder of the county. We've added in now that another fee be charged in cases of arbitration. It will go to the arbitration fund, the state arbitration fund. That's all the Bill does. It got kind of mixed up in the Spring Session, we didn't get back to it. And I would move for the adoption, and try to answer any questions if there are any..."

"The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of the Second Conference Committee Report on House Bill 2748. And on that question, the Gentleman from DuPage, Representative McCracken." McCracken:

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. To... or will the Sponsor yield? This creates a surcharge to be used for the purpose of funding arbitration?" "Yes. A $5 fee and only one $5 fee even if there's more than one participant in the arbitration case. It's a one $5 fee goes into the arbitration fund and, what was going on before, such a fee went to the general fund, now it goes into an arbitrary fund... arbitration fund rather, which would be used for that purpose and that purpose only."

"Okay. I didn't hear a word you said."

"The Gentleman from Macon..."

"Well, I can hardly hear myself, either."

"The Gentleman from Macon. Representative Dunn."

"Madam Speaker, I move the previous question."

"The Gentleman has moved the previous question. The question is, 'Shall the main question be put? All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'no'. In 101  82nd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE November 6, 1987 the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. The main question is put. The question is, 'Shall the House adopt the Second Conference Committee Report on House Bill 27487* All those in favor vote 'aye", all those opposed vote 'no". Voting is open. Seventy-one votes are required. This is final passage. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 112 voting 'aye", I voting 'no' and none voting 'present.. The House does adopt the First Conference Committee... the Second Conference Committee Report on House Bill 2748, as this Bill has received the extraordinary majority required, and this Bill is declared passed. On the Order of Motions appears House Bill 1684. Representative McPike. The Gentleman is not in the chamber. Representative Goforth, do you wish to go back to your Bill? No. Out of the record. Representative Bowman. On Supplemental #1, under the Order of Motions on the reverse side, appears Senate Bill 1470. Representative Bowman. Read the motion. Mr. Clerk."

"I move to suspend Rule 37g until the deadline for Senate Bills in spring of 1988... 1988 Session."

"Representative Bowman."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This is a very important Bill. It is a Bill that would require funding he unfunded liabilities of the various public pension systems over an extended period of time. The problem with the Bill being taken up at this time is that it does cost money. There's no question about that. I believe we are all very sensitive on the subject of funding at this point. We'll be considering legislation later for Supplemental Appropriations. I believe this is a matter that is best considered in the cold light of a new Session. Consequently, I now move to extend the deadline 102  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day until next spring." November 6, 1987

"The Gentleman has moved to extend the deadline until next spring for Senate Bill 1470. And on that question, the Gentleman from DuPage, Representative McCracken."

"Where is this..."

"It's on Supplemental #1 under the Order of Motions."

"No, no, no, no, I'm sorry. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"He will."

"Representative, where is this on the Calendar? If this were to be returned to its place on the Calendar, where is it, Third Reading?"

"Third Reading, yes, Sir."

"Okay. What is it that is stopping us from either deciding to act on this or to vote it down? I mean, why... why are we waiting? I mean, we have the money or we don't. We know what we're going to do. Why are we putting it off another six months?"

"Well, I believe what I would like, it is my hope that by delaying it that the Governor might be able to accommodate this in his budget for next spring."

"Well, are you counting on a tax increase to fund this? If we let this go now and don't kill it tonight, is it going to come back to haunt us and be one of the reasons we're asked to vote for a tax increase in the spring to fund these liabilities? Is that what you're doing, Representative Bowman? Are you plotting against us?"

"Why, Representative McCracken, I am surprised at you. Of course not."

"I was just kidding. I wanted to wake up the crowd."

"Thank you."

"But what is... Seriously, what is the point of 103  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day November 6, 1987 putting it off? Either we have the money or we don't. We're not going to have it in the spring because we don't have it now. And no projections are optimistic. I mean the only way we're going to have the money is if we vote for a tax increase."

"Well, I think there are a couple of reasons. Number one, you've put your finger on one of them, maybe there will be additional funds. Number two, the Governor, between now and then, the Governor will come in with a new budget. So, with or without additional funds, he will have the option of considering whether he would like to move forward with a program like this and I certainly would like to give him that option. Thirdly, the stock market crashed about a week ago, and I think we ought to have some time to assess the effect of the stock market crash on public pension portfolios."

"Is it true that none of our pension monies are invested in the stock market, as such? I mean, I heard that somewhere. Do you know if that's correct?"

"No. I don't believe that's correct at all."

"Okay, thank you."

"Is there any further discussion? Hearing none, the question is, 'Shall the House suspend Rule 37g until the deadline for Senate Bills in the spring of 1988 for Senate Bill 1470? All those in favor say 'aye', all those... all those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Seventy-one votes... 60 votes are required. Sixty votes are required for the adoption of this motion. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 70 voting 'aye', 41 voting 'no' and 2 voting 'present' and the motion is adopted. On Supplemental #4 under the Order of Motions appears House Bill 1684. 104  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day November 6, 1987 Representative McPike. Mr. Clerk, read the motion."

"I move to take from the table, suspend Rule 79e and place on the Calendar on the Speaker's Table on the Order of Conference Committees, House Bill 1684."

"Representative McPike."

"Why thank you, Madam Speaker. And I so move."

"The Gentleman has moved... You have heard the Gentleman's motion. Is there any discussion? Mr. Clerk, you tell me when you're ready for a vote. Excuse me, Representative Hultgren, on the question?"

"I couldn't hear the motion."

"The motion is shall we take House Bill 1684 from the table, suspend Rule 79e and place it on the Calendar on the Speaker's Table under the Order of Conference Committee Reports. The question is, "Shall that motion be adopted?' All those in favor say 'aye, all those opposed say 'no". In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. And by use of the Attendance Roll Call, House Bill 1684 will be taken from the table and placed on the Order of Conference Committee Reports. Ladies and Gentlemen, we're going now to Supplemental #2. On the reverse side under the Order of Motions appears House Bill 1859. Representative McPike. Out of the record. House Bill 2070. Representative Satterthwaite. Clerk, read the motion."

"I move to take from the table and suspend Rule 79e and place on the Calendar on the Speaker's Table on the Order of Conference Committee Reports, House Bill 2070."

"Representative Satterthwaite."

"Madam Speaker, do we have leave to use the Attendance Roll Call to approve that motion?"

"Representative Satterthwaite."

"Do we have leave to use the Attendance Roll Call 105  82nd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE November 6, 1987 to approve that motion?"

"Representative Satterthwaite asks leave with use of the Attendance Roll Call to take House Bill 1859 from the Table..."

"No."

"... Suspend Rule 79e and place it on the Calendar on the Speaker's Table, excuse me, this is House Bill 27, and place House Bill 27... 2070 on the Speaker's Table on the Order of Conference Committee Reports. Does she have leave? Hearing no objection... Representative McCracken objects. Representative McCracken on the question, would you wish to debate it?"

"Thank you. Madam Speaker. Apparently, what we thought was agreed among the parties is not agreed among the parties. So, I'm going to ask my friends on this side of the aisle not to vote in support of this motion to take from the table or any others. So, I hope you'll stay with me on these. We have to stick together. Thank you."

"Representative Satterthwaite to close."

"Madam Speaker, I don't know what the furor is on the other side of the aisle. This is a Conference Committee Report that, to my knowledge, is noncontroversial. It simply sets up a technical task force on community mental health services and asks that that task force examine ways in which community mental health services may be funded, monitored and administered. Those of you who were present in the committee hearing that was held Wednesday morning, dealing with the problems of both institutional and community mental health, should be much aware that this in fact needs to be done. The Director of the Department of Mental Health indicated that they do not have a means of monitoring community services at this time. And so it would seem to me that all of US should be in 106  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day November 6, 1987 agreement to establish this task force. The task force is composed of the Director of the Bureau of the Budget or his designee, the Director of the Mental Health and Developmental Disabilities Department, the Director of the Commission on Intergovernmental Cooperation, the Director of the Citizens Assembly and 8 Members of the General Assembly designated by the Leadership of the General Assembly. If people have reasons why we should not be able to establish this task force, I would be happy to hear them. But, to me all indications are that it is much needed that this task force immediately get about its work. It is to report back by May of next year and unless we pass it today, it is going to be very difficult for them to do this study...."

"The question is..."

"I would ask for your support."

"The question is, Shall the House take House Bill 2070 from the table, suspend Rule 79e and place this Bill on the Speaker's Table on the Order of Conference Committee Reports? All those in favor vote 'aye, all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Seventy-one votes are required for the passage, or the adoption, of this motion. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Representative McGann, one minute to explain your vote."

"Thank you... thank you, Madam Speaker, Members of the Assembly. I'll address my remarks to both sides of the aisle. If I could have your attention for a moment. The subcommittee... Committee on the delivery of mental care took great length, took an awful lot of hours debating this piece of legislation. The Department of Mental Health, the institutions are in a problem, a great problem. We are losing federal dollars. We have to stop it. We have to 107  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day November 6, 1987 get in and get a study made to find out what's really going on. And the only way we can do it, is through this piece of legislation. I would ask you to please reconsider and bring enough votes on the board to let us get our job done. It's very, very important, because we are losing dollars and everyone..."

"Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 61 voting 'aye', 50 voting 'no' and 2 voting 'present'. And the motion fails. House Bill 2276. Representative Younge. Read the motion, Mr. Clerk."

"I move to take from the table, suspend Rule 79e and place on the Calendar on the Speaker's Table on the Order of Conference Committee Reports House Bill 2276."

"Representative Younge."

"Yes, Madam Speaker, I ask leave to use the Attendance Roll Call."

"Representative Younge has moved that we take House Bill 2276 from the table, suspend Rule 79e and place it on the Calendar on the Speaker's Table under the Order of Conference Committee Reports. And on that question, is there any discussion? Hearing none, the question is, 'Shall the House take this Bill from the table and place it on the Order of Conference Committee Reports?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Seventy-one votes are required. Representative Younge, one minute to explain your vote."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. This Bill would establish a loan fund for flood victims that were victimized in the flood. And I ask for the other votes to make this 71. I want to take this from the table and have a Conference Committee set up. Attached to the Bill, is a Housing Assistance Fund. This will be taken out of the Bill and it 108  82nd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE November 6, 1987 will simply be a... a... a Bill to permit the Department of Commerce and Community Affairs to establish a loan fund for flood victims. There are many people in our state who were elderly and who were damaged by the flood in October of 1986. And there is need for this legislation. And I ask for your support."

"Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 60 voting 'aye', 53 voting 'no' and 1 voting 'present'. And the motion fails. House Bill 2746. Representative Flinn. Read the motion, Mr. Clerk."

"I move to take from the table, suspend Rule 79e and place on the Calendar on the Speaker's Table on the Order of Conference Committee Reports House Bill 2746."

"Representative Flinn."

"Madam Speaker, I move to take from the table. This is a Bill which is really being used as a vehicle by Representative Steczo. And if it requires any explanation it deals with park districts. And he'd be happy to explain... so if there are any questions, I will yield to the Gentleman from Cook."

"The Gentleman has moved to take House Bill 2746 from the table, suspend Rule 79e and place it on the Speaker's Table on the Order of Conference Committee Reports. And on that question, the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Steczo."

"Madam Speaker, I just make the motion to take from the table."

"There being no further discussion, the question is, 'Shall the House take this Bill from the table, place it on the Order of Conference Committee Reports?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Seventy-one votes are required. Clerk, 109  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day November 6, 1987 take the record. On this question, there are 113 voting 'aye', none voting 'no' and 1 voting 'present'. And the House does take House Bill 2746 from the table, suspends Rule 79e and places this Bill on the Order of Conference Committee Reports. Representative Steczo, your Bill... your Conference Committee Report has to appear on a Calendar. Now, the Chair will recognize Representative Satterthwaite to make a motion that has been agreed to on both sides of the aisle. Representative Satterthwaite."

"Madam Speaker. I move to take 3 Bills together. House Bill 1859, House Bill 2070 and House Bill 2276. It's agreed that we will move to take those Bills from the table and place them before the House."

"The motion before you, Ladies and Gentlemen, is. Shall the House take House Bill 1859, 2070 and 2276 from the table and place them on the Order of Conference Committee Reports?" And on that question, the Gentleman from Dupage, Representative McCracken."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. I rise in support of the motion. We had some difficulties on our understanding of the agreement and we've hammered those out. So, I think we should move ahead."

"Thank you. All those in... you've heard the Lady's motion. All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. And by use of the Attendance Roll Call, these 3 Bills will be placed on the Order of Conference Committee Reports. The next Bill is Senate Bill 1229. Representative... or Mr. Clerk, has that motion already been heard? Supplemental #2 is what we've been working from. Senate Bill 1229 has been handled. Senate Bill 1416 then is the last Bill to be called. Representative Capparelli. Read the motion, Mr. Clerk." 110  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day November 6, 1987

"I move to suspend Rule 79e and place on the Calendar on the Order of Conference Committee Reports, Senate Bill 1416."

"Representative Capparelli."

"Madam Speaker, may I have leave for the Attendance Roll Call?"

"The Gentleman asks leave for use of the Attendance Roll Call to suspend Rule 79e and place Senate Bill 1416... 1416 on the Order of Conference Committee Reports. Does he have leave? Hearing no objections, the Gentleman has leave by use of the Attendance Roll Call. Representative Younge, for what reason do you rise?"

"Yes, Madam Speaker, in reference to House Bill 2276, I..."

"We have already accepted your motion, Madam, on one roll call."

"Right. I move that the First Conference Committee Report not be accepted and ask for a Second Conference Committee be established."

"I'm afraid we can't do that until the Bill appears on the Order of Conference Committee Reports and we do not have it on a Calendar yet. When it gets on the Calendar, I'll recognize you for that motion. Ladies and Gentleman, on Supplemental Calendar #2, under Conference Committee Reports appears House Bill 1923 by Representative Steczo. Representative Steczo is recognized."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. A question of the Chair."

"Proceed."

"Do... Has a motion been made to hand...to...to deal with all Bills, of which Conference Committee Reports are on the table, to exempt them from rules, or do I have to make the specific motion, to allow it to be heard now?"

"No. A general motion has been made for all 111  82nd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE November 6, 1987 Bills that are Conference Committees Reports."

"Okay, thank you, Madam Speaker. Members of the House, I would move for the adoption of Conference Committee Report #2 to House Bill 1923. The Bill simply provides that the Comptroller, when provided an audit by a unit of local government, if that audit does not meet established standards, that audit can be rejected. And it just simply provides that those audits shall comply with generally accepted auditing standards. There's no opposition, and in fact, support from the Illinois CPA Society, and in fact, no opposition to the Bill. So, I would move for the adoption, Madam Speaker, of the Second Conference Committee to House Bill 1923."

"The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of the Second Conference Committee Report on House Bill 1923. And on that question, is there any discussion? Hearing none, the question... the Gentleman... hearing none, the question is, 'Shall the House adopt the Second Conference Committee Report on House Bill 20... on House Bill 1923?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. This is final passage. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 108 voting 'aye', none voting 'no' and 3 voting 'present'. This Bill, having received the required majority, the Bill is declared passed and the House does adopt the Second Conference Committee Report on House Bill 1923. Ladies and Gentlemen, on page 2 of your Calendar under the Order of Constitutional Amendments Third Reading appears HJRCA 6. Representative Rea's Amendment. Mr. Clerk, read this on Third Reading."

"House Joint Resolution Constitutional Amendment #6, offered by Representative Rea, proposes to amend the Legislative Composition and Session Sections of the State 112  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day November 6, 1987 Constitution to provide that beginning in 1992, Senators shall be elected for 6 year and 4 year staggered terms and Representatives shall be elected for 4 year and 2 year staggered terms. Provides that within the same legislative district, no senatorial terms shall conclude in the midst of a Representative term, effective upon adoption by the voters."

"Representative Rea."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Joint Resolution 6, Constitutional Amendment. would change the terms of office of the Senate to a 6 year and a 4 year term, staggered terms within a ten year period. And Representatives would be elected to 4 year and 2 year staggered terms. There would be two 4 year terms and 2... and a one 2 year term during that period of time. This would take effect in 1992 after the reapportionment. There has been many people throughout the State of Illinois that have said that the terms of office should be changed. That it's very expensive, that people are campaigning all the time. And that it would provide much more time for them to do the work that they are elected to do and would not have to devote as much time to campaigning and would not be nearly as expensive, not only to the candidate but also to the public. I think it's pretty well self-explanatory and would certainly ask for your support."

"The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of House Joint Resolution Constitutional Amendment 6. And on that question, the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Piel."

"Thank you. Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I stand in support of HJRCA 6. I think all of us continually are hearing from our constituents, why are you continually running? And it seems like everytime you turn 113  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day November 6, 1987 around you're either running or passing out petitions or one thing or another. This is something that I think is long over due. It's something that will not affect your Senators, where obviously, the Senators would be a little bit concerned that you would be in mid... they'd be up... and you'd be in midterm. They would be running the exact same time you would, and I would ask for an aye' vote on the HJRCA 6."

"The Gentleman from Champaign, Representative Johnson."

"With all due respect to both the previous speakers, both good Legislators and good friends. I think they're dead wrong on this issue. The reason the framers of the United States Constitution 200 years ago, and the reason the framers of the Illinois Constitution as we've revised it from time to time, made provisions for 2 year terms are precisely the reasons that this Amendment ought to be defeated, and that is that we ought to be accountable to our constituents. Sure, people ask you why you're running every two years and my response is, because we ought to be accountable to the voters every two years for the job that we've done. We have two chambers here and in Congress. And each one of those chambers reflects terms that reflect a variance in philosophy, and that is that the Senate is a term... is for the most part a body... a body where the terms are longer and the House is one where the terms are shorter and more subject to continual public scrutiny. I don't think too many people mind running every 2 years. I don't think they mind being subject to public scrutiny. I don't think they mind putting their credentials before the public and given the re-election rate in this state, over the course of the last 20 years. I don't think anybody should fear too greatly as a practical matter running every 114  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day November 6, 1987 two years as well. So, with all due respect to those people, I think this is a step away from the people. If you vote for it, and I think a 'no' vote is one that reflects what would ultimately be, I think the will of your constituents."

"The Gentleman from Kane, Representative Kirkland."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Will... Representative Johnson took the words right out of my mouth, so I guess that makes it 2-2 so far, but I wonder if the Sponsor would yield for a quick question?"

"He will."

"Curious if other states have enacted this kind of legislation if so, as yet, do you know, and how many?"

"I really don't know. I do know that this has been brought to our attention of the people, not just in my area but throughout the state, and it has been a great concern to them because of the... every time you're running they look up where you're running for re-election."

"Okay, thanks."

"The Gentleman from McLean, Representative Ropp."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"He will."

"One quick question. Why is it that you think the Senate ought to have only 6 years? I mean. why shouldn't they just have 4... 4-2 like they currently do?"

"Well, this has been suggested also by the people and the U.S. Senate is for 6 years, so I think that this would work out. And I might also remind you that this would only place this issue on the ballot."

"Well, I think that has merit in allowing the people to choose and a lot of people say, well, were running all the 115  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day November 6, 1987 time, but certainly it gives greater indication that we are attempting to be more responsive to those citizens who are concerned about what we are doing in this body. And I certainly think, even though I think it would be a good idea to allow the citizens to vote, again I doubt if the Senate will ever approve this. Thank you."

"The Gentleman from Coles, Representative Weaver."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, will the Sponsor yield?"

"He wil1."

"Yes."

"Representative Rea, will you correct me if I'm wrong, but should this House Joint Resolution pass, this would still be subject to a vote by the people of Illinois?"

"That is correct. It would be a referendum and it requires 60% of the vote..."

"... So, if some of the pre... if some of the previous speakers were concerned about citizens input on this issue, this is exactly what they want to see."

"That's exactly right and it would take it to the people and they would be the ones that would decide."

"Thank you very much."

"The question is, "Shall the Hou... the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Panayotovich."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. There are other states that do have this program that it seems to be working out. What we should say, as one of the previous speakers said, we don't mind going out campaigning every 2 years. But, our constituents mind it every 2 years. They're the ones telling us, you're back again. You're at my door again. Leave me alone. Come back In another 2 years, 4 years. I think Representative Rea said it right, we're talking about the 116  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day November 6, 1987 people will decide. It's a referendum, 60% of the vote is needed. Let them decide if they want their elected officials of Illinois to have staggered terms of 4-4-2 and 6-4, let them have their right to decide how we should be elected. And I urge 'aye' votes."

"The question is, Shall the House adopt House Joint Resolution Constitutional Amendment #6?* All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote "no". Voting is open. Seventy-one votes are required. Representative Hultgren, one minute to explain your vote."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, to explain my vote. I'm not sure that I agree with the concept of this Amendment, but I have had a number of constituents express a preference for lengthening the term of office. Since this is only a Resolution, which would put this question on the ballot, I think the voters have a right to determine the nature of the Constitution. I think that they should have an opportunity to vote on this on the ballot."

"Representative explain your vote."

Countryman. one minute to Countryman: "Thank you, Madam Speaker. I think that probably it Isn't a bad idea to get some concept or get a good concept on the ballot. Whether they support it or not, give the opportunity to the voters. However, I think the difficulty is to create a 6 year term in the Senate is just too long. And I don't think that this is in the proper form. For that reason, I cast a 'no' vote."

"Seventy-one votes are required. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 74 voting 'aye", 39 voting "no" and none voting 'present". And the Resolution is adopted. Representative Davis. Ladies and Gentlemen, on page 3 on your Calendar, under Total Veto 117  82nd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE November 6, 1987 Motions appears Senate Bill 670. We heard it earlier in the day. There was a commitment to come back to it. Read the motion. Mr. Clerk. Senate Bill 670."

"Senate Bill 670. I move that the House concur with the Senate in the passage of Senate Bill 670, the veto of the Governor notwithstanding."

"Representative Davis."

"Yes, thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. We're asking that 670 receive an override vote. All we're asking is that the personal care attendants be paid twice per month rather than once per month. I think everybody realizes that the people that they serve help to keep the cost of welfare down. We're asking for an override of this Bill or veto."

"The Lady has moved to override the Governor's Veto of Senate Bill 670. And on that question, the Gentleman from Winnebago, Representative Hallock."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Members of the House. This Bill hasn't gotten any better with age. I think this is probably the third time we've called this Bill in the last few days and debated it. It was a bad idea the first time, a bad idea the second time. It's still a bad idea now, I urge it be defeated."

"The Gentleman from McLean, Representative Ropp."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. I'd like to ask the Sponsor a question, please."

"Proceed."

"How many individuals are we actually talking about that will be paid under this provision?"

"Approximately 4,000."

"4,000?"

"Yes." 118  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day November 6, 1987

"Do you know how many state employees we have in the State of Illinois that get paid twice a month?"

"I know the secretaries are paid twice per month."

"Is it close to 4,000?"

"... probably the housekeepers..."

"We don't have 4,000 secretaries, do we? Okay, I think, I know this is a situation that someone has said, well, it's going to cost a million dollars or so, just to re-program. I know we've got a position over here, but, it seems to me like we've got a number of people who, in fact, do receive payment twice a month. And this is an area that I think has some justification. As you all recall, if the fact that it costs to program then, a rather substantial increase in dollars, the Legislature themselves, a number of years ago, we're paid once a year. So, if that was cost effective then, why did they go back to paying once a month, which I think is certainly a good idea and should be done. So, this is an interesting concept and these few people, 4,000, undoubtedly need this extra money."

"Thank you."

"The Gentleman from Vermilion, Representative Black."

"Thank you very much, Madam Speaker. To the Bill. I think the Lady has a good idea. I think she is very well... has good intentions. But, as the previous speakers have said, unfortunately, if we piecemeal this, we're going to have some problems. Obviously, there are other groups, I think, that should well come to us and like to be paid on a biweekly basis as well. And I think you've made a very good point yesterday, when you talk about electronic fund transfers and computers. I think this could be done. And I think it could be done for a very reasonable cost. The only reason, Representative, that I can't join you in 119  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day November 6, 1987 supporting this Bill is the fact that I think we're piecemealing something that may very well need to be studied for all state employees. And I think you've hit upon a very good idea. And I'm sorry that I can't support your Bill at this time."

"The Gentleman from DuPage, Representative McCracken."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker and Representative Davis, we are... we are great fans of yours, and you have all of our respect. So, when I speak to the Bill, I'm speaking only to the Bill and to the process by which it comes to our attention 3 times for a final vote. We debated this this morning and the Chair did not rule in our favor, but we think it's an improper procedure and not consistent with democracy, and not consistent with the deliberative process to keep bringing Bills back, ad nauseum, to wear down the opposition until hopefully, a few arms can be twisted. And to call it again and again and again, is an abuse of the process. I don't blame you Representative, you are an advocate for that Bill, but the Chair should know better. The Chair is up there for both sides of the aisle. And to foist upon us repeatedly, final votes which are in... in... In... in truth, no more than motions to reconsider a vote, is just wrong. And we talked about it this morning. And you are still in error, Madam."

"Representative Davis, to close."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. To the Gentleman who just spoke. First of all, this issue is so very important. The people who are served by these public personal care attendants are the developmentally disabled. They are the elderly. These workers help to keep those two groups of people off of welfare. The reason that I'm so concerned is because I happen to know some people who are in wheel 120  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day November 6, 1987 chairs and who are very happy when that attendant comes. gets them out of bed, gets them dressed, pushes them out the door, so that they can go to work. I know some elderly senior citizens who are very happy when that attendant comes to wash her clothes, who she won't see for 3 days. I'm very happy to support Senate Bill 670. The reason these poor workers want to be paid twice per month is because they only earn $3.35 and the checks are usually late. Now for you or I, who get a check for over $2,000 a month, plus other cash, it's much easier to live from month to month and our checks are not late. Now, these people cannot continue to call the utility company and say the state is late in sending my check. The department does not use a feathered pen and ink to write these checks. I would suggest that you try and imagine yourselves in a wheel chair, imagine yourselves as a senior citizen. Ask yourself if you want someone to come and assist you at some point, to help you have a better life. And I urge those of you with some empathy, to vote for an override. Thank you."

"The question is, 'Shall the House override the Governor's Veto of Senate Bill 670?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote "no". Voting is open. Seventy-one votes are required. Shall this Bill pass, the veto of the Governor notwithstanding? Representative Turner, one minute to explain your vote."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Assembly. I commend the Lady in her efforts with this particular Bill. I think it's a great piece of legislation. I'm reminded of the fact that the General Assembly, I guess some years ago, used to get paid once a year. I think we've come a long way from being paid once a year to once a month. I think a better Bill... better... I 121  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day November 6, 1987 think a thing that would make this Bill a little better, if we were to amend it, where some of the General Assembly Members were also to be able to get paid twice a month. Some of us are full time Legislators. When the 25th of the month rolls around it gets a little tough on us, but, for that reason, I'm still going to support this legislation. I think next spring, I'll come back with some additional Amendments."

"Seventy-one votes are required. Representative Stern, one minute to explain your vote."

"Madam Speaker and Members of the House, it is my understanding that the Comptroller has said that this change would cost minimally, that it would barely be noticeable because of the computerized processes he pursues. I think that this is the kind of issue on which you could certainly bring yourselves to vote 'aye', if you have a heart in your breast. Thank you."

"Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question. there are 69 voting 'aye', 40 voting 'no' and 4 voting 'present'. Representative Braun, for what reason do you rise?"

"Madam Speaker, I was going to request a Poll of the Absentees, but I think that in light of the fact that this Bill is near passage, that to reiterate...I wanted to explain my vote, to reiterate Representative Davis' comments. This is a humane Bill and it is an appropriate Bill and we'd like to have..."

"The Lady... The Lady has requested a Poll of the Absentees."

"A poll of those not voting. Doederlein and Frederick. No further."

"Have all voted who wish? There are 69 voting 122  82nd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE November 6, 1987 'aye', 40 voting 'no' and 4 voting present. Since the Bill requires 71 votes and it does not have 71 votes, Representative McNamara, for what reason do you rise?"

"Yes, I was just wondering, how am I voted on this Bill?"

"You are voting aye."

"Oh, yes. Okay, thank you very much."

"There are 69 voting 'aye", 40 voting 'no' and 4 voting present'. And the motion fails. Representative Curran. Representative Saltsman, for what reason do you rise?"

"Being as we're still on page 3 could we have 834 called?"

"No, Sir, you have to file such a motion and then I will have to make a determination as to whether or not it is dilatory. Supplemental Calendar Announcement."

"Supplemental Calendar #5 is being distributed."

Speaker Breslin "Supplemental Calendar #5 has now been distributed. On the Order of Conference Committee Reports appears House Bill 1684. Representative... Representative McPike. Representative McPike, I understand that 1684 has now been distributed. The House has suspended the 3 day rule for Conference Committee Reports to be on our desk. You may therefor present House Bill 1684. Oh, excuse me, they need another couple of minutes. We'll wait on that. We'll take those out of...that one out of the record then and go to the Pension Bills. Okay? The first Bill on the Conference Committee Reports dealing with pensions that I'd like to call, is House Bill 2715. Representative Wolf. Representative McCracken. House Bill 2715, Representative Wolf."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker and Members of the House. I would defer to Representative Cullerton who will speak on 123  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE November 6, 1987 82nd Legislative Day this Bill."

"Representative Cullerton."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Madam Speaker, I'd like to address the issue of pension legislation and explain to the Members of the House what the Conference Committee has done. We have taken all of the Bills that affected various systems, I think there's eighteen different systems throughout the state and we put them into three separate Bills. I would point out that these Bills have all just passed the Senate too, with no dissenting votes and the other one overwhelmingly. What we did was to take them and put them into three separate Bills, because they...they logically are grouped in three separate areas. The first one, the one that we're on, is 2715, is a Bill that deals with basically Cook County and Chicago. House Bill 2712, deals with the five state funded retirement systems. And Senate Bill 236 deals with downstate fire, police and the Illinois Municipal Retirement Fund. I want to explain what I think is very important, and that is the process. The Senate passed a good number of Pension Bills over to the House. Those Bills were put...were in effect held and we kept a number of vehicles. We asked everyone who was involved..."

"Excuse me, Representative Cullerton. There is a clicking noise coming from this side of the building. Would you...whatever is causing it, would you please arrange for it to discontinue? Thank you. Proceed, Representative Cullerton."

"Thank you. We asked the various individuals affected by a change in the pension system, that is various municipalities and employer groups, to sit down and to attempt to work out an agreement among themselves. And indeed in every case, that has happened and there have been 124  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE B2nd Legislative Day November 6, 1987 basically that interest groups have signed off. So for example, with the downstate funds, the Illinois Municipal League met over the summer with the various unions representing the firemen and the policemen and they reached an agreement. So, this particular Bill deals with the Chicago police, the Chicago municipal, Chicago labor, Chicago teachers. Cook County employees and the Metropolitan Sanitary District. I would point out that the Chicago fire system is not included in here and the reason for that is, as I've explained, we required that there be an understanding and an agreement before we would agree to put the Bill into Conference Committee. On the issue of the Chicago Fire Pension System, there was no agreement. As a result, it's not in. There are various provisions including administrative changes in the Bill, but the point I wanted to emphasize of course, was that in this case the City of Chicago Administration signed off on these changes and after negotiations with the unions and the retirees from the various systems. I'd be happy to answer any questions. I would appreciate your support."

"The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of Conference Committee #1, to House Bill 2715. And on that question the Gentleman from DuPage, Representative Hoffman. Representative Hoffman."

"Thank you. Madam Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Lest there be some confusion about the process by which these Bills were arrived at, let me perhaps to some degree reiterate what the former speaker said. But, the key to this is, that we are now moving off on a different tact in dealing with public pension systems in this state. Since we've passed collective bargaining for public employees, the position that we are now taking and it's illustrated by these three Bills, is that we're saying 125  82nd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE November 6, 1987 to labor and we're saying to management, 'you sit down and you arrive at a conclusion on how you want to structure and to provide for benefits in your pension system. Until you get that resolved between the two of you, don't come back to see us'. This is part of the collective bargaining process. We told labor, 'you're not going to get a bite of the apple at home and then turn around and come back down here and get another...another bite of that apple'. These three Pension Bills look specifically at three different categories that were negotiated by three different entities. And I believe the process is important, I think it is a step in the right direction and I encourage support for this legislation."

"The question is, 'Shall the House adopt the First Conference Committee Report on House Bill 2715?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Seventy-one votes are required. This is final passage. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 93 voting 'aye', 17 voting 'no' and 2 voting 'present'. And this Conference Committee Report having received the...an extraordinary majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 2712. Representative Cullerton."

"Yes, thank you, Madam Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Again, the same system applies with regard to this particular Bill. This affects the five state funded retirement systems, the state employees, state universities, downstate teachers, General Assembly and the judges. This Bill...actually, as a matter of fact, we basically told the state systems that there will be very little, if any, cost in their pension systems this year and that they can come back next year, perhaps if...and advance 126  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day November 6, 1987 some legislation. With regard to this particular Conference Committee, the only one that I'd like to point out is the downstate teacher system does have a change which extends the early retirement without discount provisions for certain teachers from June 29th, 1990 to June 30th, 1985. I'd be happy once again to answer any questions and appreciate your support. This Bill, I would point out, has passed the Senate 56 to nothing."

"The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of the First Conference Committee Report on House Bill 2712. And on that question, is there any discussion? Hearing none, the question is, "Shall the House adopt the First Conference Committee Report on House Bill 2712?" All those in favor vote 'aye, all those opposed vote "no". Voting is open. Seventy-one votes are required. This is final passage. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 101 voting aye, 9 voting 'no and 1 voting 'present'. This Conference Committee Report having received the extraordinary majority vote is hereby declared passed. House Bill... And now the last Pension Bill is Senate Bill 236. Representative Capparelli. Representative Cullerton."

"Yes, thank you Madam Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This Pension Bill affects the downstate fire, the downstate police and the Illinois Municipal Retirement Funds. This one is, I think, an interesting one, in that the conferees reached upon an agreement which involves...it involved the Illinois Municipal League, the Northwest Municipal Conference and the Illinois City Management Association, who met with over the summer, with members of the fire and the police unions. They have agreed that no further...after this passes, that no further 127  82nd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE November 6, 1987 legislative changes will be advocated by either party for the duration of this session and that in the next session they will work towards an agreed Bill that would have an effective dates in July 1st, 1991. So, I think it's an excellent way to again to commend the process by which they have worked. And I would ask for your support and be happy to answer any questions. This Bill passed the Senate 53 to nothing."

"The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of the First Conference Committee Report on Senate Bill 236. And on that question the Gentleman from DuPage, Representative Hoffman."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I would just like to express my appreciation to the work that Representative Saltsman did in bringing this about. I know he spent a lot of extra hours in it and also the good faith bargaining on the part of the unions and management. And I would encourage the adoption of this Conference Committee Report."

"The question is, 'Shall the First Conference Committee Report on Senate Bill 236 be adopted?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Sixty votes are required for the adoption of this Conference Committee Report. This is final passage. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 97 voting 'aye', 12 voting 'no' and 2 voting 'present'. And this Conference Committee Report having received the extraordinary majority required, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 2746. Representative Flinn. Excuse me. Representative Steczo, for what reason do you rise?"

"I'll handle the Bill."

"He'll handle the Bill. House Bill 2746. 128  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day Representative Steczo." November 6, 1987

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Members of the House. House Bill 2746 of the... First Conference Committee Report on House Bill 2746, contains the language that we in this House approved as House Bill 1256, which contained provisions relating to park districts and forest preserve districts. Last...two weeks ago rather, the House overrode the Governor's Amendatory Veto, some language that related to golf courses. The Senate had difficulty with that and failed to do the same. So the language of House Bill 1256, minus the golf course language, is contained in the First Conference Committee Report to House Bill 2746. The report also deletes the language originally contained in the Bill and also provides three conveyances of state property for sums that would be due by the units...certain units of local government. With that, Madam Speaker, I would answer any questions, would urge the support of the Conference Committee and would let the House know that the Senate has approved this Report by a vote of 56 to nothing."

"The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of the First Conference Committee Report on House Bill 2746. And on that question the Lady from Cook, Representative Didrickson."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield for a question, please?"

"He will."

"Representative Steczo, does this not allow now first right of refusal of golf courses to forest preserves?"

"The right of first refusal on the...on the purchase or sale of golf courses has been deleted."

"Thank you."

"Any further discussion? Hearing none, the question is, 'Shall the House adopt the First Conference 129  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day November 6, 1987 Committee Report on House Bill 27467" All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no". Voting is open. Sixty votes are required for adoption of this Conference Committee Report. This is final passage. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 110 voting 'aye', 3 voting "no" and none voting 'present'. And this Conference Committee Report having received the extraord...the Constitutional Majority is hereby declared passed. Senate Bill 652. Representative Giorgi. Representative Giorgi, you are recognized to proceed on this Bill."

"Madam Speaker, this is Senate Bill 652 and it has to do with amending two Public Acts just recently passed and creates an effective date of December the 1st. It's for the judiciary that was allowed to increase their numbers so that they can file in the March primary and run in the March and November elections. And this also has the sunsets for the national convention delegates, where it allows the Democratic Party to use the totals that the Solidarity Party rec received in the last election in picking delegates. It allows the Republicans to pick their delegates in the same...in the manner that they have chosen. And this also proposes a payraise for election judges in Cook County, increasing the per diem from 45 to 60 and increasing any additional compensation due by virtue of completion of training school from 10 to 20. The structure of compensating DuPage County is changed in the Bill from the present 45 per diem to a range between 45 and 65 with a possible ten dollar increase for completing a training school. sch And that's the extent of the Conference Committee Report and I urge its adoption."

"The Gentleman has moved that the House adopt 130  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day November 6, 1987 the First Conference Committee Report on Senate Bill 652. And on that question the Gentleman from Champaign, Representative Johnson."

"I wonder if the Sponsor would yield for a matter of clarification of legislative intent?"

"He will."

"Representative Giorgi, on page 2 of the Bill, lines 2 through 5, there is provision in this language: 'In addition to the number of circuit judges authorized under Section 2 of this Act, there should be one additional circuit judge elected in the sixth circuit, who shall be a resident of Champaign County.' What I want to do, is to clarify that the...your intent as the Sponsor of the Bill and the intent of the Legislature in passing this provision, is that the election that's held shall be circuit wide in the six counties that make up the sixth judicial circuit, but that the circuit judge elected shall be a resident of Champaign County."

"That's correct."

"Pardon me."

"That is correct. That is the intent."

"Okay. And just to further add to that, I had a discussion with Kel Hudson at the State Board of Elections, where he had some concern and his indication was, that he might interpret this as a resident circuit judge elected only in Champaign County. That is not your intention, is that correct?"

"That is correct."

"Thank you very much."

"The Gentleman from Lee, Representative Olson."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. From the perspective of the minority who have reviewed the provisions of this Bill, we acknowledge it as 131  82nd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE November 6, 1987 it has been described by Representative Giorgi and urge its adoption."

"The question is, 'Shall the House adopt the First Conference Committee Report on Senate Bill 652?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Seventy-one votes are required for the adoption of this Conference Committee Report. Supplemental Calendar announcement."

"Supplemental Calendars #6 and 7 are being distributed."

"Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 103 voting 'aye', 8 voting 'no' and 1 voting 'present'. And the House...and this Bill having received the extraordinary majority required, the Conference Committee Report is adopted and this Bill is declared passed. Representative McNamara. Mr. Clerk, hasn't this vote been taken? Yes. Representative McNamara. Representative McNamara, the vote has already been declared on this Bill. If you wish to..."

"No it hasn't. It hasn't."

"Yes, Sir."

"The vote was not declared. You were on the phone and you didn't declare it. You just locked in the board."

"The Clerk advises..."

"If you'll check the record on it..."

"The Clerk advises me that the Bill was declared passed, but you may certainly make a statement on the record if you wish."

"I believe that the Chair is in error on that interpretation and the transcript will so prove that. However, in case that is not the case, I would have voted 'aye'." 132  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day November 6, 1987

"Let the record reflect that Representative McNamara, while recorded as voting "no", would have preferred to have voted' aye'. Representative Peterson, for what reason do you rise? Representative Peterson, the vote is over. We have finished with that Roll Call. If you wish to make a statement on the record you may, but you may not do so by making a motion from the floor. It won't be reflected in the transcript."

"Madam Speaker, I'd like to be...the record to show that I would have voted 'no'."

"Very good. Representative Saltsman, for what reason do you rise?"

"Yes. I would like the record to show...reflect that I would have voted' aye'."

"Very good. Representative Matijevich, for what reason do you rise?"

"Madam Speaker, because I was over in the Senate and in Fact on this Bill, I want to...with leave of the House to explain my vote on this Bill. I would have voted "no" on this Bill and I want the record to show that before we went into session this week, that I had contacted the staff of my majority party to indicate to the staff that I wanted the law changed with respect to the Judges in Lake County, that they be two elected from Lake County and residence from Lake County and one from McHenry, resident and elected from McHenry County. I was told when we came into session Wednesday, that we needed...we needed both sides of the aisle to pass this Bill. It's important for delegate selection. And I went along with that. And I was told that the Republicans would not go along with what I wanted to do. As I read the Conference Committee Report, I got madder and madder inside that anybody wouldn't go along with what I thought was a reasonable plan. I went to Dick 133  82nd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE November 6, 1987 Klemm, he listened to me and he agreed that that's the way it should be done. I went to Senator Schaffer, he agreed that's the way it should be done. I went to Adeline Geo-Karis, she agreed that's what should be done. I went to Senator Barkhausen, he agreed that's what should be done. And we thought we might have a Second Conference Committee Report that was agreeable. I realize it is late at night. I went to Senator Demuzio and I told him of the problem and he said, "John, we just passed that Bill and we're going home.. And we know that the Senate goes home when it wants to go home. And we know that they're going home as soon as they pass that Supplemental Bill. And we know that the House will not make the Senate come back like they made us come back. But, I think it's regrettable that I, as long as I've been here and don't ask for too much and don't ask too much from my majority party and I'm in leadership and still don't ask for too much, that I couldn't have been granted this little bit. I don't want to jeopardize the delegate selection. I don't want to jeopardize the Judges. And when we had the Bill in June, everybody said, "Well we just want three judges.. But, I think what I was trying to do made sense and I want the record to reflect that I felt, both Grace Mary Stern and I feel this way I know and I think Dick Klemm feels this way now too. I didn't talk to Representative Churchill, because I didn't see him at the moment, nor Bill Peterson. But once I got Dick Klemm's support, I knew I'd get the rest over to that side of the aisle. But thank you very much, this meant a lot to me."

"Thank you, Representative Matijevich. On the same order of Supplemental #5, Conference Committee Reports, appears House Bill 1684. Representative McPike. Excuse me. Representative Richmond, for what reason do you 134  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE November 6, 1987 82nd Legislative Day rise? Okay. Proceed, Representative AcPike."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I move for the adoption of the First Conference Committee Report on House Bill 1684. It does two things. Number one, it takes the money that was escrowed after the lawsuit from the Domestic Violence Shelter and Service Fund and allows us to transfer this into Public Aid. The second thing it does, it allows IOFA to guarantee private loans to third parties up to specified dollar amounts in order to promote economic development in the state. I move for the adoption."

"The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of the First Conference Committee Report on House Bill 1684. And on that question is there any discussion? Hearing none. the question is, 'Shall the House...' The Gentleman from Bureau, Representative Mautino, on the question."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. For the record, on page 10 of that Conference Committee Report, the authority may guarantee private loans to third parties up to a specified dollar amount, in order to promote the economic development of the state. I understand that can be done now by rule or reg, but will somebody please explain that exact process to me, on how we guarantee the third party loans?"

"There being no further discussion, Representative McPike... Excuse me. Did you ask a question, Sir."

"Yes, I did."

"Okay. Representative Richmond indicates that he has the answer to that question. Representative Richmond."

"Well, thank you very much. I'm not sure that I have the exact answer, but in negotiating with the company that wants to locate in this state and hire some 550 employees, 135  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day November 6, 1987 it was discovered that although they had the funding available, the people who were making the funding available wanted a guarantee of the interest and the loan from the State of Illinois. And in discussing this with DCCA and with IFDA(sic IDFA), they feel that...that they have the...that authority at the present time, but for us to proceed with the negotiations on a...on a basis that we're sure of on firm ground, it was felt that this one provision should be put into...into the Illinois...into the IFDA(sic IDFA) Act to further clarify it. And SO that is the purpose of this effort."

"You're still on, go ahead."

"Oh. Thank you very much. May I follow that through, Bruce? Let us assume that an economic development project is a million dollars and the financing is a portion leveraged by the Illinois Finance Development Authority and the majority portion, the other 70 percent, let us say, by private enterprise, Joe Blow Bank. Alright?"

"Okay."

"Are we, with this language, providing the guarantee for the total one million package that the bank has seven-hundred thousand invested in and we're guaranteeing the whole thing by the state? Is that... That's an example I'd like to have explained to me."

"No, I think not. However, the scenario you describe isn't one that we're confronted with here. And it's quite possible... This is kind of a... you know something that's developed that has to be...we have to take some action on it, SO we can proceed with negotiations. But, it's quite likely that there need be some refinements done as we move along on this in the spring. But they do have, like E.F. Hutton, willing to loan the money, but they want the state to participate in the responsibility for it. And so, we do 136  82nd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE November 6, 1987 have a great number of instances where we've done a lot more than that to...to lure business into our state. This is a valid company, a valid request. DCCA has gone to California just this week and met and have come back with some reports that appear to be very favorable for their...their endorsement of the proposition. So, I'm a little short on details, Dick."

"One final question, Bruce. You've taken out the language on page 9 that prohibited this same type of guarantee, if in fact a private source... Basically, what you took out of the language was, "private sources shall not include amounts received directly or indirectly from the federal, state or local government, or any agency thereof. Now by taking that exemption out, you open it to everything. Isn't that about right?"

"Well, I hope not. I don't think it's that broad, but I guess you might interpret it that way. And as I say, it's quite possible that this may need refinement, but we want the authority to move ahead with these negotiations...extremely important to my area and to the State of Illinois to add... This is a company that not only...it has great potential and has already had... And incidentally, the State of Pennsylvania has already passed authorization for eight million dollars for a subsidiary plant for this particular company. And the com...the plant that we want in Illinois is to...it would be the fabrication of the fuselage and so forth. And, in California when they went there early this week, Alabama Governor and contingent was there to lure them to Alabama. New Mexico is very interested in it. And certainly we need them in Illinois."

"Thank you."

"There being no further discussion, the question 137  82nd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE November 6, 1987 is, Shall the House adopt the First Conference Committee Report on House Bill 1684? All those in favor vote 'aye", all those opposed vote 'no". Voting is open. 71 votes are required. This is final passage. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 107 voting 'aye', 1 voting "no" and 6 voting 'present'. And this Bill having received ed the required extraordinary majority is hereby declared passed. Going to Supplemental Calendar #6, to those two Bills that have been printed and distributed. Under Conference Committee Reports, appears House Bill 2756. Representative Leverenz, you are recognized to present this Conference Committee Report. Representative Leverenz."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. This is the one you've all been waiting for. Now, the Conference Committee Report on House Bill 2756 has a total of general revenue of 29,320,000 and other funds of a million...a hundred twenty-six million, nine fifty-one. Ask for your 'aye' vote."

"Representative Leverenz has moved for the adoption of the First Conference Committee Report on House Bill 2756. And on that question the Gentleman from Cook, Representative McNamara."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield for a question?"

"He will."

"On item #14, excuse me, my voice seems to be going. On item #14, the tuition increases, do they go to the individual institution, or do they go to the University of Illinois? Where do the individual..."

"The Board of Governors and those institutions it controls. The individual institutions."

"So all of the...the increases from the students go to 138  82nd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE that institution?" November 6, 1987

"It goes through and then into these various institutions from which it came."

"Okay, thank you. Now to the Bill. It seems that common sense has taken on a new definition this week when the Senate rejected the funding for education. It appears that they say that education is a top priority and then they cut the funding for all the schools in the state. They say we didn't have the money and then they find it for pet projects. We have a new math that makes a sham of common sense, when even the players cannot agree on the figures. Let's explore the old math. The appropriations last year were 10.57 billion dollars. Appropriations after the budget cuts were 10.395 billion. That means the appropriations this year are $175,000,000 less than last year, yet we're told that we need a tax increase to fund less money. Then we're told that this is common sense. I hear it on all the news reports. We're told that the many budget proposals submitted by the Bureau of the Budget, we're to believe this one. Even after we're told to believe this one, this bare bones budget, we're able to come up with another 25 to 30 million dollars. So what do we believe? Where is the common sense? We hear in the press that the Governor states that it's irresponsible us to fund programs at last year's level. I submit to you, that it's irresponsible leadership to have Membership argue against measures that would prohibit the utilities from turning off home power when the person in the home is on a life support system. That it's irresponsible leadership to have Representatives who have espoused support for education, then have them turn around and cut the funding below last year's levels to all of the schools in the state. It's irresponsible leadership to have 139  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day November 6, 1987 Representatives argue on the House floor, that DCCA is increasing the economy of this state and yet we have no additional revenue to show for that. I don't believe we should become part of this sham and this hypocrisy. If we vote 'yes', we accept the crumbs and become part of the sham. If we vote 'no', we insinuate that we are against some of the worthy projects. The responsible common sense vote is to vote present. Eliminate the last minute blackmail. Let our views be known that we are tired, tired of false information permeated throughout this state and tired of sham and hypocrisy that is evidenced by the conflict dollar figures and let's take control of our destiny and vote 'present' on this measure. I ur...I urge your 'present' vote."

"The Gentleman from McLean, Representative Ropp."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker and Members of the House. I find it a bit interesting that many of us did not vote for some of these necessary programs a week ago and yet we have sufficient dollars now that we can come up with 29 million here to support certain programs. that I think in many areas are very important. My concern a couple of weeks ago was the fact that when I told people back in my district that I thought we had to exactly find out where we could come up with money in order to provide some leeway in overriding and that I thought we could do that by not stating that we needed to carry over 200 million dollars in our cash balance. And I was told we could not do that, because in fact we had to provide that 200 million, because we were making sure that the bonding companies would step on our toes, because we would not then maintain our bond rating. Now here we are today and the fact is that the 29 million and other figures will come out of that area, which 140  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day November 6, 1987 I don't think is necessarily a bad idea in the situation when you have short dollars to make some rearrangements. My concern is that in all of these necessary programs that we have provided for, we have not provided one stinking revenue dollar for higher education. We have in fact supported 3.2 million dollars for 380 youngsters that I think are important, with the Math-Science Academy, when we've got 22,000 kids at I.S.U., we said, "We don't have one general revenue dollar for you, but we want to take 150 bucks from you in order to increase your tuition, so that you can go to school." I think that's a sad mistake. The fact that we have not provided any dollars, though slight as they may be, we have not given any indication to higher education that they should in fact be on our high priority list as we have indicated with some of these other areas. And I think tonight, Ladies and Gentlemen, it's a tragedy that we could not have increased at least 5 to 10 million dollars to increase, or what you might say, reduce the carry-over, because we are beginning to move in that direction of reducing our carry-over anyway. I don't think the state will come to a close at the end of our fiscal year, if that carry-over figure is lower than the $200,000,000. The fact is, ultimately, it might be a lot less. The other area that I think we have neglected is the fact that our mental area situation has...did not receive any money in this supplemental appropriation and in fact, we have a lot of our providers at home that are in fact extremely short. And we're seeing that some of those people, if not all of them, will not be paid from the state all the way from 60 up to 90 days. Why should we ask them to borrow money to provide services for the needy and the people who actually need care? I think that is another erroneous step that those who have made these decisions 141  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL AS SEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day November 6, 1987 have fallen short in. We have begun and as the previous speaker said, our primary concern is for education. The amount of money that we're actually putting into the state aid formula now is a mere pittance. The fact though that we could not stand pat on the fact that we were short of dollars is also a tragedy. And the fact that now here we are in a position where we're asked to support 29 million extra dollars. I'm probably going to end up supporting this, because I think they're necessary areas. And since we have begun to move into our carry-over, I think we should have moved in a little bit deeper, so that we could have provided adequate funds for many of the other programs, particularly higher education and increase elementary and secondary. Thank you."

"The Gentleman from St. Clair, Representative Flinn."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. I, too, am one of those that's disappointed in the amount of money being offered to education, really disappointed especially in due to the fact that I was one of those who openly supported a tax increase. I am ready to lay my political life on line for the kids of this state. But there's talk about hypocrisy and all that sort of thing. The real hypocrites are those who are willing to spend but not vote for a tax increase. I'm telling you right now every dollar we spend comes out of the taxpayers' pockets and there's no pot of gold down at the bottom of the rotunda. There's no other way to get money except from the taxpayers. I think that when we let the kids down in this state so far as a decent education, we all do not deserve to be re-elected. None of us - not a one of us. We ought to stay home and send a new crew here. I think it's high time we recognize the fact that that is a much...very much a part of our job as Legislators. The 142  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day November 6, 1967 only reason I'm going to vote for this Bill, it's the only ball game in town right now. But if we come back next spring, and try to supplement the income for the State Board of Education, I'11 be one of those voting for the supplement and voting for a tax increase to support it."

"The Gentleman from DuPage, Representative Daniels."

"Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Two weeks ago I stood on this House floor and argued as strong as I could about truly hypocrisy when this House overrode the Governor's veto in the amount of elementary and secondary education in amounts of money totalling 75,000,000, because you know and I know and we knew at that time, the money was not there. None of us tonight are pleased with the fact that we're dealing with a supplemental Bill of only $29,000,000. For which one of us would stand on this floor and say the children of Illinois have enough money for education? Nobody. Which one of us would stand on this floor and say that people that are mentally ill or handicapped are sufficiently provided for by this state? None of us. Which one of you would stand up and say that the unfortunate people that suffer from developmentally disabilities have enough money for assistance when they can't care for themselves? This House is comprised of compassionate and feeling people. We must do everything that we can to help those people that cannot help themselves. This Bill contains a bare essential amount of money that the Governor has said that he will sign into law after extensive negotiations with the four respective leaders from the two chambers. And yes, people from the City of Chicago and from downstate Illinois and from the collar counties argued for more money for education. And yes, they argued for more money for the 143  82nd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE November 6, 1987 mentally ill, more money for flood control, more money for the homeless grants. But the money wasn't there. And isn't there. And the fact of the matter is that this Bill keeps the Math - Science Academy open, provides $16,000,000 in general school aid, the majority of which will go into the City of Chicago, provides money for public school pupil transportation of any situation that you know, and you know that 28% will go under the City of Chicago of that money, provides a $1,000,000 for special education and provides money for public health. Now scream as you may, not one single...any one of you from the City of Chicago who are standing up arguing, putting forth programs for tax increases, none of you are willing to talk about school reform. The fact of the matter is..."

"Ladies and Gentlemen... Ladies and Gentlemen."

"...that the Bill that we have in front of us right now is reasonable. And argue as you may argue, the fact of the matter is, the funds are not there. You know this is a reasonable Bill. We wish there was more. And we should support it."

"The Lady from Cook, Representative Braun."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I'm one of the people who signed this Conference Committee Report. And I intend to vote for this Conference Committee Report. But I have to tell you that I do so recognizing the outrage that it represents. And recognizing the fact that it sets forth very clearly what our priorities are in Illinois."

"Representative Braun. Representative Braun."

"Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Right. Did you know what I was going to say? No, I don't think you do know what I was going to say, because what I intend to say about this Bill, particularly as it pertains to education, is that it 144  82nd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE November 6, 1987 makes it very clear what our priorities are, because we're engaged right now in this state in a form of educational triage. We're cutting off the funds to the needy schools. We're cutting off the money that the schools in the City of Chicago and other districts across this state need, in order to fully fund an experiment in education, albeit a good one, with the Math - Science Academy. That's what we're doing. Now I supported the legislation for the Math - Science Academy, and I think it's a marvelous idea that we devote resources to our best and our brightest in this state. But I cannot in good conscience stand here and not object to devoting 3,000,000...3.2 million dollars for 200 students at the same time, we're devoting $16,000,000 to everybody else in the school systems throughout the rest of this state. In the City of Chicago alone, we're looking at little more than 3.2 million dollars for all 400,000 plus students in that entire system. I think it is an outrage, an outrage that we would begin to cut off funding for our general public education school obligations at the same time that we experiment with providing additional resources, newer resources, dormitories and the like for our best and our brightest. That is an outrage. That is triage. That is cutting off your society where it needs it the most. That is what's wrong with this Bill, Ladies and Gentlemen. Our priority is obviously not education in this state. This administration's priority is obviously not education in this state. We can take a look at the DCCA budget and fund offices all over the world. I was in Europe this summer and visited the office in Brussels. We have offices all over the world to talk about developing Illinois. How are you going to develop Illinois if you don't educate its children? How are you going to develop Illinois if the school system in the City of Chicago closes 145  82nd Legislative Day down? How STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE November 6, 1987 are you going to develop Illinois with illiterates coming out of the system who can't read and write because we failed to put the resources there? It makes a mockery, a mockery of our constitutional obligation. It makes a mockery of our commitment to our future. And I say to you, Ladies and Gentlemen, that this Conference Committee Report should say loud and clear to everybody in this State of Illinois exactly where our priorities are, because this is where our dollars are going. And don't tell me there's not the money. In this whole budget, we've gone through this process, this is what's left. So we say, "Oh, well, we'll take the crumbs off the table. What's left we'll give the children a little bit." We'll give them just enough, just enough SO the teachers can continue to come out of their pockets to pay for pencils and pens and paper and books. And that's the situation, Ladies and Gentlemen. If it's not in your district, it certainly is in mine. That's where our priorities are in this state. Fund the Department of Corrections. We just continue to build new prisons as we shut down the schools. We ought to have a new slogan for this state. Open the prisons and close the schools. I say to you, Ladies and Gentlemen, this Conference Committee Report is an outrage. But we were forced this time to take nothing or a pittance. I cannot in good conscience turn my back on day care and the homeless and all the other issues that are tied in here. All the federal funds are in this Bill. So the bottom line of the Bill is almost $200,000,000. How do you turn your back on $200,000,000 worth of spending for human services and the development in the state? How do you do that? You can't do that. And so I'm going to vote for this Conference Committee Report, but I say to you, Ladies and Gentlemen, that we have an 146  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day November 6, 1987 obligation that we have failed to fulfill. And the time is fast running out when we can play catch up. And if we don't begin to address a sensible revenue base for schools in this state, we may as well put up the cordon and close up Illinois, because we won't have much of a state to deal with."

"The Gentleman from Champaign, Representative Johnson."

"On behalf of those Legislators who represent districts where higher education is a first priority. I think all of us has to...have to express some disappointment that this budget or this supplemental doesn't contain the new monies for higher education that we think are important to make up the economic and educational and social fabric that makes us for a strong...for a strong state. But like this process always does, it puts us in a position of having to vote yes or no. And like many others who've spoken before, the process puts me in a position of having to vote yes. This money...or this supplemental does several things. One of the things that it does, in maybe a small way, it does put money into areas where there's a clear need. And at the same time, it recognizes the fact that there's people who work for a living like the majority of Illinoisans do. Go to work everyday whether they're a plumber or a secretary or an attorney or whatever, who come home and when we pass around money to every conceivable place, and we increase their taxes that it has a dramatic effect on their life as well. And so given those alternatives and the things that we have to live with. the priorities we have to fund and the inevitability that we can never provide enough money for the various sources of...the various people who need the money, as Illinois citizens, we've done a pretty responsible job here. I'd like more 147  82nd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE November 6, 1987 money for higher education. I'd more...like more money for elementary and secondary education. I think the people who put this together, the Membership should be commended for doing the very best they can to still keep their commitment to the ordinary citizens, the 90 plus percentage of people who go to work and come back everyday and still realize that when you tax them, you're having a dramatic impact on their Christmases and their holidays, too. And they work for a living."

"The Gentleman from Macon, Representative Dunn."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I, like many others here, wish that the contents of this Bill were spread among several Bills, because if it were just the educational portion of this budget to consider, it's a laugher. We should just throw it back and say if that's the best you can do, forget it, we'll do with what we have. And I don't think there's any educator in my area who would disagree with that point of view. Sixteen million dollars spread statewide is a pittance. I heard one of the Chicago radio stations as I was driving to Springfield this week indicate that the levels of support for education in elementary and secondary level in this state is currently forty-first in the nation. And that was before $63,000,000 was cut from school aid this spring. And now we're going to address that problem by restoring 16,000,000. It's a sad, sad day for the State of Illinois. I don't...I just feel terribly intimidated, and I know we all do. I can't...still can't grasp how the Governor could veto the funds for kidney dialysis and hemophilia medicine. That's beyond my comprehension. It is morally reprehensible to do that. And I think we have no choice since the funds are in this Bill to restore the funds which were cut for kidney dialysis and for hemophilia and for 148  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day November 6, 1987 Alzheimer's disease, to pay $30,000,000 to restore two and a half million dollars worth of funds to those people who should never have had to listen to the radios and watch television tonight to see if there's going to be money for kidney dialysis and hemophilia medicine. To those people, I guess, we're helping you tonight, but I'd like you all to know that a lot of us who are voting for this legislation are doing so because we have been intimidated to pay $30,000,000 to get you two and a half million. The rest of the money will go to worthy causes but it's not a drop in the bucket. It won't do any good. It's meaningless, It's a sham, it's a show. So I'd just like you to know that I'm willing to pay $30,000,000 to help you get your medicine and that's the only damn reason I'm voting for this Bill. It stinks to high Heaven."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Shaw."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Assembly. I would like to set the record straight. One of the Gentlemen on the other side of the aisle mentioned the fact that where were we when the...when the...when they proposed the tax increase. Well, I'd like to tell you where most of us was, particularly those Members of the black caucus. We met with the Governor, and we signed onto his tax Bill. We agreed to raise the taxes, to support the schools of Illinois. We asked the Governor at that time, and this was back in June, around June the 26th, Governor, where's the Bill and who's introducing the Bill? And he said, I don't...I believe that he stated that I don't have anybody that will introduce the Bill. That's what he indicated. Which means that your Governor was willing to support a tax increase for the children of this state, but you would not. You wouldn't even introduce the Bill. Now you are sending a measly $16,000,000 to cure a $100,000,000 149  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day November 6, 1987 sore. That is not the answer. The children of this state is the most precious things that we have. And we in the General Assembly here is not going to give those youngsters a chance. As one of the other speakers said, we would rather build prisons...we would rather build prisons throughout this state and let the children go uneducated. But yet we are...your Governor and mine are going to Europe sometime in the near future to talk about bringing business into Illinois. Why are you going to bring business into Illinois when you're not educating its people? Two years ago we funded 1.3 billion dollar project...project, talking about Build Illinois. How can you build Illinois when you don't take care of the young people? That's not building Illinois when you're not educating the children of this state. How do you plan to do that? No one on the other side of the aisle had the guts to introduce the taxes that's necessary to run our school system. But you will go back to your respective districts and talk about what you would have done and how you've been down here fighting. You haven't been fighting, because the people that you should be fighting for is your children and my children and other people's children across this state. The taxpayers who are paying the bills, and they're willing to pay the bills for their children. But you don't have the guts to form those programs. Here you've given one school with 200 people, as someone said earlier, 3.2 million dollars and given Chicago just a little bit more than that. We talk about this is the top of the students in Illinois. What every mother, every parent, they think that their children is the top too, and that they deserve an education. And they do. We have a responsibility in this state as responsible Members of this Body to vote for what's right. And what's right is to vote the money to fund the things 150  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day November 6, 1987 that's necessary to be funded. And that thing is education...is education. But you don't have the guts. But the media are here and the media should go back, and they have a responsibility, too. It's to go back and show it across this state, that you all are not interested in the young people of this state. You are interested in demagoguery, rhetoric. That's all you're interested in. And as one of the previous speakers said, every one of you should be defeated...should be defeated. You don't have a right to come back here if you don't support the young people of this state. And the...and the media should project that across this state. They should not allow you to get away with it. And the...I don't know who negotiated this package...I don't know who negotiated this package, but it's my understanding that the President of the Senate negotiated this package. But if the President of the Senate negotiated $16,000,000 for the children of this state, he should be run out of Illinois, because he knows that that's not enough. We funded...we funded education at last year's level. But your Governor cut that. If it was enough last year, it should be enough this year."

"The Gentleman from Winnebago, Representative Mulcahey."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Members of the House. Remember back in 1975 when I came to this chamber, Governor Walker was in office at that time. And he would make the same political speeches on the campaign trail throughout the state as other Governors had. Priorities, of course, are education. The reason education is a priority is for all of the reasons that everybody's been alluding to tonight and all year long. But the sad thing about the situation we have right now, one of the sad things, is the $62,000,000 that we overrode the other day, it simply would 151  82nd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE November 6, 1987 have put us at the same level that we were at last year. Which was still low. This is the less funding...less funding that we've ever had for education in the thirteen years I've been in the Illinois General Assembly. But you have people go on and on and on and they talk about priorities. I think that what is happening throughout the state is when the people in the local units of...the local units of government, of course, are going out and they're trying to raise money at the local bases by way of the property tax, who put their responsibility right back on to the local units of government, the local school districts. And they're getting tired of it, just like we're all getting tired of it. So I have a suggestion to make. If this continues, and obviously it's been continuing for the thirteen years I've been here, what I'm going to urge every single school district around the State of Illinois to do if something doesn't happen very soon is tell the State Board of Education and tell the Illinois General Assembly and the State of Illinois to take their mandates and throw it out the window. Don't teach the mandates. If you're not going to fund us, we don't have to teach it. They're sick and tired of being told by us, whether it's the '85 education reform, whether it's driver training, whether it's physical education, all of the great mandates that we tell them they have to teach because it's good for kids, and then we turn right around and don't fund it, is absolutely ludicrous. This budget is embarrassing. It is embarrassing. And I'm ashamed to go back to my district and say that you got $19,000,000. One school district in my area is going to receive $500 this year increase in state aid. So I will suggest to them that if you can't afford it, the state's not going to pick up the tab, don't teach it. I don't advocate violent revolution, but by 152  82nd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE November 6, 1997 golly, this is one way maybe we can show the powerhouses in this...in the General Assembly in Springfield exactly where they're coming and exactly how they feel."

"The Gentleman from Will. Representative Regan."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Members of the House. I'm not proud of this Bill in regards to education either. I think that we should have definitely got our priorities changed around a little bit. There's a $20,000,000,000 budget here, and for some reason we don't come up for education. I'll tell you one thing though I'm going to be proud of when I go back. It hasn't been mentioned enough. We held the line. 20,000,000,000 is enough and the taxpayers have told us that. We held the line. We didn't raise taxes."

"The Lady from Champaign, Representative Satterthwaite."

"Madam Speaker and Members of the House, many of us have already spoken about the problems that our funding level this year is creating for education. Let me point out just a few more problems that may otherwise be missed. For the last two years, we had helped a little bit in decreasing the gap between the non-academic people who work at university campuses and people with similar jobs in state government. This year we are reversing that. We are increasing that gap and sending a very bad message to the people who work on our campuses. In terms of academic personnel, we are also slipping by comparison with other institutions of like character. We are finding that the morale is going down drastically and will continue to slide unless we show that our commitment is strong and consistent. And that message has certainly not come across this year. We are putting an additional burden on our students by increasing their tuition costs, and we have not even provided in this Bill any money to help with 153  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day November 6, 1987 scholarships. This is going to impact particularly on those people who are slightly above poverty level, who do not qualify for full funding of their education or any funding at all, and they may find it impossible to continue. It is going to impact on our community colleges particularly, because those are the people who register late and who will not have applied in a timely fashion for the limited funds available. What we are doing, Ladies and Gentlemen, is placing an increasing burden on individual families. both in terms of paying directly for their education and in terms of the property tax that we have heard is so onerous for people these days. But certainly our elementary and secondary schools are going to have to go that route if they can possibly get the support, and they will have more complaints in the future. I hope we will take action in the spring that will help to reverse these very detrimental trends."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Piel."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, I move the previous question."

"The Gentleman has moved the previous question. The question is, 'Shall the main question be put?' All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it and the main question is put. Representative Leverenz to close."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. I now move the House adopt the First Conference Committee Report on House Bill 2756 and ask that you vote 'aye'."

"The question is, 'Shall the House adopt the First Conference Committee Report to House Bill 2756?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. This is final passage. Seventy-one votes are required. The Gentleman from Lake, Representative Matijevich, one minute to explain your vote." 154  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day

"Well, I'll say briefly. November 6, 1987 One of the best friends I ever had in the Legislature, a warm, friendly Irishman was Elmo McClain. Some of you may know his son, Mike. Elmo had the habit when there was a bad Bill, he would put his nose...hand... fingers to his nose and say this stinks. That's the way I feel today. But I think we're getting...we're lucky in Illinois, you know, we've got a bargain. We've got two Governors. We've got a Governor who before election says we're in good shape and says after election, we're in bad shape. A Governor who says he's, you know, he passes the Thompson Tax Proposition, you know, at election time. And then after, you know, after election, he's got ten tax increases. Let me tell you. I can see why nobody wanted to pass his tax increase. Even under that tax increase, education was going to fare..." Speaker Breslin: your vote."

"Thank "Representative Weaver, one minute to explain you, Madam Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I've listened to an awful lot of debate, and it doesn't seem like it's headed in but one direction, and an awful lot of outrage from a great number of people in here about this Bill. Like most of you, I did not have the luxury or the opportunity to serve on the Conference Committee that drew up this report. But I've heard a lot of outrage from an individual who had a chance to sign the report. If I felt that much anger and outrage, I wouldn't have signed the doggone thing. But it is approaching criminal neglect to offer pennies to education and particularly absolutely nothing to higher education in this state, many elements of which have been suffering for years. I'm going to add my 'yes' vote to this only under the idea that we in state government need to put our fiscal House in order. We need to establish long-term spending 155  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day November 6, 1987 and revenue priorities instead of our current haphazard 'rob Peter to pay Paul' pension system and operating budget system. The reason we ..."

"The Lady from Cook, Representative Davis, one minute to explain your vote."

"Yes, thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. With great regret, I vote 'yes' for this Bill. My regret lies in the fact that one school serving 200 children receives $16,000 per year to educate that child whereas the majority of the children in the State of Illinois will be educated on $1,000 or less per child. America, your children are dying. Sadness, suicide, school dropout, your children are dying. Pregnancy, puberty, peer pressure, our children are dying. Gangs, guns, genocide, America, our children are dying. As you vote against my Bill, Democrats, and I against your..."

"Bring your remarks to a close."

"...don't fund education, I wonder how they'll treat us when they become adults."

"Representative Hicks, one minute to explain your vote."

"Thank you very much, Madam Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I see a lot of green votes up there, and I am ashamed to see the green votes up there for a budget that doesn't take care of the children of this state. I may be the only one voting 'no', but I am simply appalled at the fact that we would try to attempt to satisfy a small portion of this state by taking it upon the children and that we're going to take it away from. When I came up here this year, I told my educators at home that I thought we had fund our commitment for the mandates that we put forth for the school reform. And I thought we'd provide a hundred to two hundred million new dollars this year. 156  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day November 6, 1987 Well, it's very evident we can't even take care of what we said we'd do last year. I vote 'no', Madam Speaker, and I think anybody that votes 'yes' up there is wrong and I'm ashamed of that vote."

"The Gentleman from Sangamon, Representative Curran, one minute to explain your vote."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. We all know why we are voting green, those of us who are and we're almost all ashamed of it. And that is because we want to get something rather than nothing. However. I would like to draw your attention to the things that happened earlier this year, because, I think, this year ought to be a year where we and our children and our children's children remember what took place. This year we have a $400,000 rose garden in the Governor's yard. This year we've got a Department of Corrections with a plane, while we're laying off parole officers. This year we're going to help build White Sox Ballpark while our kids get beat up and continue to be abused and we don't do anything about it. This year we're going to give racetrack owners an incredible tax break, but we're not going to do anything for our kids in education this year. We ought to be ashamed of ourselves. And I think most of us are."

"The Gentleman from Macoupin, Representative Hannig, one minute to explain your vote."

"Yes, thank you, Madam Speaker and Members of the House. I'm voting 'yes', but I'm voting 'yes' under protest. I'm protesting because two weeks ago we were told that the State of Illinois didn't have the $65,000,000 for education, and yesterday when the Senate took up the debate we didn't have the $65,000,000 for education, but as soon as that vote was defeated in the Senate, we suddenly have at least some money that we can start talking about 157  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day November 6, 1987 spending. And here we are looking at $29,000,000. And you can bet that next April when we come back in session, the state agencies will come marching in here with supplementals asking for this and for that, and we'll probably spend another $40,000,000 with them. So the real question was not whether or not we had the money in the bank, but whether we had the will to spend it on the children of this state. And I'm sad to say that we didn't."

"Representative Williams, one minute to explain your vote."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker and Members of the chamber. You know, I'm a freshman here and this is the first opportunity I get to take probably the worst vote that I'll ever have to make. I came here and I heard the Governor give me a great speech at the start. He told me how much he cared about education, told me how much he cared about our children. Yet out of a $20,000,000,000 budget, he cut three hundred and sixty something million dollars, one-third of it from education. If that's what you care, if that's showing how much you love our children, I say take your love elsewhere, because your love's not wanted. If that's love, than I'd rather be hated, because from my point of view, the prisons that you're building should be built to lock us up, because what we're about to do now is to give a pittance where we know there's a real need. If you care about this state, you ought to realize and do something. Pass the tax..."

"Representative Hoffman, one minute to explain your vote."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. There's been a great deal of misinformation in this debate. For one thing, the Math - Science Academy has 158  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day November 6, 1987 close to 350 students. Number...secondly, it is...that's significantly different than 200, significantly different than 200. It is...it is state, basically it's a statewide school that provides services for all the children in this state. All of those who are accepted. It isn't for any one district or any one area. It is...it is an investment in research and development in a major and very important area that we have not really addressed in education over the years. and that is in the area of gifted education. These are our best. These are our brightest. And all we are doing with this money is..."

"Finish your sentence, Sir."

"...is giving them the resources to finish out the year. There isn't one other school in this state that's going to go out of business because they didn't have the resources. If this money was not available for the Math - Science Academy, it would have been gone."

"Representative Turner, one minute to explain your vote."

"Thank you, Madam Chairman and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Assembly. The other day there was some legislation brought here on the floor, and in talking with some of the guys that were working on this Bill, they said, "Well, this Bill has already been agreed. There's three or four people who have made the decision and they've signed off on it.' When I brought this legislation to the floor to my Membership and we talked about it, there was a lot of debate and a lot of discussion where they did not like that particular issue. So the Bill wasn't called. I think this Bill represents the same type of legislation. I'm not going to vote green on this Bill because I'm tired, sick and tired. of three or four people making legislation for all of us here in this state. I was elected to represent 159  82nd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE November 6, 1987 the people of the 18th District which is 95,000 people, and as far as I'm concerned, the seven years that I've been here, I have not had the opportunity to provide real input into that legislation. And for that end I'm not voting in favor of this legislation. I know that it's necessary. I'm voting present and I hope that as we start..."

"Finish your sentence, Sir."

"...I sincerely hope that as we come back in the spring of next year that this General Assembly starts to listen to its Membership and not four or five leaders who are leading us astray. Thank you."

"Representative McCracken, one minute to explain your vote."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. You know the pious souls on the other side of the aisle act like we're getting the better end of this deal. Let me tell you something, the distributive aid formula favors you, it favors the cities, it favors Democratic constituencies. We didn't want the distributive aid formula. We wanted money in the categoricals. We're taking a hit, so don't look over here and act like we're the bad guys. Your Speaker was the one who ignored the calls for revenue, who refused to balance the budget. So don't tell us that we've caused the problem or we are the beneficiaries of your problem. I resent your all looking over here for the sake of the cameras as if we did something wrong. It isn't true."

"Representative Kulas, one minute to explain your vote. Representative Kulas."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. You know, we're told that this is the only train in town and if you don't vote for this, then there's nothing. There is no second Conference Committee. You talk about political blackmail, you're seeing it at its best right now." 160  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day

November 6, 1987 "Representative Young, one minute to explain your vote."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen. I just rise to also express my frustration at having a green vote up there. I spoke against this Bill in our own caucus. I was under the impression that as with most Bills, if we seek one Conference Committee, perhaps we could go back to the negotiating table and do a little better. Our leadership was informed by the Governor though that this was take it or leave it. The Senate was leaving. There would be no recalls. One Member said that this was taking crumbs. I absolutely agree with him. But as was said yesterday when the Governor balanced the budget, when he cut this budget, he left the fat and cut the meat. And in cutting the meat, he made my constituents bleed deeply. And we need these crumbs. And finally I'd say to the Governor, you talk about building the infrastructure of this state, when are you going to realize that the infrastructure of this state is its people?"

"Representative Barger, one minute to explain your vote."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. We have been speaking to a great extent, and we've all been saying the same thing. Actually, when I came here in '83, the budget was $16,000,000,000. Last year it was 22,000,000,000. This year it's 20. We teach courses in parenting and entrepreneurship. And if you run a business or you run a family, you know there are times when you do have to make the budget fit the income rather than go out and make the income fit the budget. I wish we could make the income fit the budget, and that would be a very nice thing to do. But raising taxes to make the income fit the budget is not desirable at this time. So for this year, we will have to 161  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day November 6, 1987 settle for some nine percent less than last year. But I know that we can do it."

"Representative Jones, one minute to explain your vote."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker and Members of the House. I also, like Representative Williams, a freshman, first year. And I reluctantly, very reluctantly, vote 'yes' for this. But I am very ashamed. Very ashamed to go back to my community, to my district and take this pittance which you have given me to take back. Also, the previous speaker a few minutes ago said, 'Why are we looking on that side of the aisle?" I have only one question. Why in the world would you elect a Governor that you don't trust and you don't support and you was not willing to go along with an income tax? All I can say to you over there and also to the Governor, 'a mind is a terrible thing to waste'. And that's just what you did to the children of this state."

"Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 106 voting 'aye', 3 voting 'no' and 5 voting 'present'. And this Bill having received the required extraordinary majority is hereby declared passed. And the Conference Committee being adopted. House Bill 1763. Representative Kulas. Representative Kulas."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I'd ask for a second Conference Committee be appointed for House Bill 1763."

"The Gentleman has moved for a Second Conference Committee Report on House Bill...or a second Conference Committee on House Bill 1763. Is there any discussion? Hearing none, the question is, 'Shall the House appoint a second Conference Committee?' All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'no'. In the opinion of the 162  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day November 6, 1987 Chair the 'ayes have it and a second Conference Committee will be appointed. House Bill 2070. Representative Satterthwaite. Representative Satterthwaite."

"Madam Speaker and Members of the House. I move to accept the First Conference Committee Report on House Bill 2070. It establishes a technical task force on community mental health services. The purpose of this task force would be to examine the mental health services in the community, how they are funded and monitored and administered. It establishes the task force members and asks for a report back to us by May of next year. And I would move for the adoption of the Conference Committee Report. It was supported in the Senate by Repre...by Senator Topinka and Senator Rock and to my knowledge has no opposition."

"The Lady has moved for the adoption of the First Conference Committee Report on House Bill 2070. And on that question the Gentleman from Morgan, Representative Ryder." 5074r: "Thank you, Madam Speaker. And I reluctantly rise, although I have signed this Conference Report, to indicate that I think that we should be very careful about this particular vote. There were some Bills from the other side of the aisle that we worked very hard on. Representative McGann was the Sponsor of those Bills. We worked very hard to try to put together a program, a comprehensive program that was going to help mental health. Now we have a situation in which those are dead in the Senate. Senator...Representative McGann has filed those and I've joined him as a Cosponsor, as a comprehensive kind of program. What we don't need is to have one part going forward, which is what this Bill does and the other parts lagging behind. It's either all or nothing. We don't need 163  82nd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE November 6, 1987 to have this kind of a Conference Report going on at this time. We don't need this with...unless we're committed to the other. Obviously the Senate's not committed to the other. And therefore, I reluctantly stand and oppose the adoption of this Conference Report."

"There being no further discussion, Representative Satterthwaite to close."

"Madam Speaker and Members of the House. Those of you who were present at Wednesday morning's hearing when we discussed both the problems in institutional care and in community mental health are very much aware that there are problems that need to be addressed in this area. I have no objection to having the other facets of our mental health delivery system investigated as well, but we know quite well that there have been longstanding problems in regard to not only the funding but the monitoring of community health services. This portion is ready to move forward. And I would ask for your support in helping to do that by adopting this Conference Committee Report."

"The question is, 'Shall the House adopt the First Conference Committee Report on House Bill 2070?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question... Representative McGann, for what reason do you rise?"

"Take the... Take the roll, please."

"On this question there is 72 voting 'aye', 36 voting 'no' and 5 voting 'present'. Representative McCracken, for what reason do you rise?"

"Parliamentary inquiry. Does this require 71 votes?"

"I asked that of the Parliamentarian, myself."

"And what did he say?" 164  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day November 6, 1987

"He didn't have it in front of me...of him and since it had 71 votes, he said, "Oh, run it.""

"Okay. Well, I'm asking for a verification."

"Okay. We'll look and see. Representative Dunn votes 'aye'. Representative McCracken, the Bill requires sixty votes to pass. On this question there are 73 voting 'aye', 36 voting "no" and 5 voting "present". And the...this Bill having received the Constitutional Majority, the House adopts House Bill 2070. Senate Bill 187. Representative Mulcahey. Excuse me. Representative Hyvetter Younge. Representative Younge for a motion on House Bill 2276. Representative Younge."

"Thank you very much, Madam Speaker. I move that the House not accept Conference Committee Report Number 1 on House Bill 2276."

"The Lady has asked for a second Conference Committee on... The Lady has moved to refuse to adopt the First Conference Committee Report and asks for a second Conference Committee. Is there any discussion? Hearing none, the question is, 'Shall the House refuse to accept the First Conference Committee Report?' All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. And a second Conference Committee will be appointed. Representative Younge."

"Yes, Madam Speaker, I move that the House adopt the Second Conference Committee Report."

"It has to be on a Calendar, Representative. And it is not on a Calendar. Representative Mulcahey, are you ready to proceed? Senate Bill 187 appears on Supplemental Number 6. Representative Mulcahey."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Senate... First Conference Committee Report on Senate Bill 187 said...makes a couple of changes. It provides that the boundaries of a school 165  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day November 6, 1987 district that are changed by annexation or detachment of a territory that the school district in which the territory is being annexed has no outstanding bonded indebtedness on the date of annexation of when that occurs and the annexing school district shall not be liable for any bonded indebtedness. We've been doing this for some time. It's to help a couple school districts. Number two, additional school districts having enrollments in grades nine through twelve of less than 600 students may be added to the agreement in accordance with the processes has been in place, which simply means that unit districts likewise can join together with other districts to work out curriculum programs. Likewise the enrollment at the Science Academy may not exceed the design capacity of the dormitories existing on the effective date of the Amendatory Act of 1987. And this is simply that date in there to provide the Academy to continue building these necessary dormitories. And I would move for the adoption of Conference Committee Report Number 1."

"The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of the First Conference Committee Report on Senate Bill 187. And on that question is there any discussion? Hearing none, the question is, "Shall the House adopt the First Conference Committee Report on Senate Bill 187?" All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Voting is open. This is final passage. Seventy-one votes are required. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 94 voting 'aye', 16 voting 'no' and 1 voting 'present'. This... Representative Shaw votes no. There are 94 voting 'aye', 17 voting 'no', 1 voting 'present'. And this Bill having received the required extraordinary majority is hereby declared passed since the 166  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day November 6, 1987 House adopts the First Conference Committee Report. On Supplemental Number 7 appears Senate Bill 1229. Representative Cullerton. Representative Keane, for what reason do you rise?"

"Madam Speaker, I can handle this Bill if you wish."

"Okay. Proceed."

"Oh! Okay. Senate Bill 1229 is just the Department of Revenue cleanup. It's a technical Bill. It provides the necessary legislation that they need for in house adjustments. It does nothing substantive. It is strictly revenue... Department of Revenue Bill and has been requested. I'd urge an 'aye vote."

"The Gentleman moves that the House adopt the First Conference Committee Report on Senate Bill 1229. And on that question is there any discussion? Hearing none, the question is, 'Shall the House adopt the First Conference Committee Report on Senate Bill 1229?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Seventy-one votes are required. This is final passage. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 97 voting 'aye', 6 voting 'no' and 9 voting 'present'. This Bill having received the extraordinary requirement, it is declared passed and the House adopts the First Conference Committee Report. Supplemental Number 7 appears House Bill 998. Representative Churchill."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This is the Stormwater Management Bill. That's the way it started out, that's the way it's ended up. Unfortunately it got caught in the last hours of June 30th and we did not have a chance to put it through. Basically, this allows the counties in the metropolitan area, 167  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day November 6, 1987 excluding Chicago, to prepare stormwater plans to get the assistance of IDOT, DOC and NIPC to have hearings and to implement those plans. There was some discussion earlier in the Session as to the problems that some of the groups had with the taxing provisions. At this point there are front door referendums on all taxing provisions and all of the opposition that had existed to this Bill has now been removed. I would ask for you to vote positively for House Bill 998."

"The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of the Second Conference Committee Report on House 3ill 998. And on that question, the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Leverenz."

"Will the Sponsor yield?"

"He will."

"Does this address all of the yellow cards we got on our desks?"

"And what do those yellow cards say? I didn't get one."

"Flood...flooding, I was flooded."

"That's...this is the Bill. You were flooded..."

"That came from out of my...that came from out of my district?"

"If the water came into your district, hopefully if you pass this Bill, you'll never have to worry about that again."

"What do you have in the Bill for suburban Cook?"

"Suburban Cook is included in this Bill."

"And what are they included for?"

"Everything that...everything that all of the rest of the areas have, they have the ability to do. And if you want I could go through all of the items in the Bill..."

"What are those...while the cameraman takes your 168  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day picture?"

November 6, 1987 "You have...yeah, you have the right to put together a stormwater management committee. You have the right to prepare a stormwater plan which must be presented to the Illinois Department of Transportation, the Department of Conservation and NIPC for view and comment. You have the right to have hearings. You have the right to vote by that planning committee in terms of ordinance to put into effect this plan and implement the plan..." Leverenz: Churchill:

"How about bonding?" "You have the right to..." "Do we get the same privileges DuPage and the collars on the buy down on the bonds in Cook County?"

"Yes, you do."

"That is included?"

"That is correct."

"And it's the sanitary district that is going to draw the plan?"

"In...I don't know what they're planning on doing in Cook County. Cook County said that they will have some supplemental legislation to this to define how they wish to treat the flooding problem and that is to be brought before this Body in the spring."

"Thank you."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative O'Connell."

"Question of the Sponsor."

"Proceed."

"Just a clarification. You had said it applies to all counties except Chicago. Chicago is a city. Are you referring to Cook County? Is Cook County excluded from this Bill?"

"All metropolitan counties are included, but the City 169  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day November 6, 1987 of Chicago has asked to be excluded from the Bill."

"So suburban Cook is in it, but the City of Chicago is not."

"That is correct."

"And what is this providing for a front door referendum?"

"There is a tax to implement the plan and construct the various water courses and things that are necessary, and that has a front door referendum in it."

"Alright. The... Are the taxes applied to the non-home rule municipality or the...or to Cook County?"

"I'm sorry..."

"I'm sorry. In reference to anything located in Cook County."

"The taxes that are applied pursuant to the front door referendum do not apply to Cook County."

"Alright, only to the non-home rule municipalities in Cook County."

"That would be in account for the counties that adopt a plan that would be included."

"Alright, so..."

"So if Cook County doesn't adopt a plan, then you don't have to have that..."

"Alright, so any...if DuPage County should adopt a plan, any non home municipality within that county can have a front door referendum and raise its funds."

"That is correct."

"But until the County of Cook adopts its plans, no municipality in Cook can have a referendum."

"That's correct."

"...on this. Thank you."

"The Gentleman from McLean, Representative Ropp." 170  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day

"Thank you, November 6, 1987 Madam Speaker. I'd like to Sponsor, please."

"Proceed." question the

"Representative, on page 1 of the Conference Committee Report. you have added a new sentence which now includes counties in populations in excess of 100,000 anywhere in which the Mackinaw River flows. We have a situation that I'm sure this is attempting to address and I want to get your opinion as to what it's going to do. One county is attempting to drill water test sites in another county. Does this prevent them from doing that? And what kind of a method or procedure is established by that sentence that you now included?"

"I have been advised by Staff that it provides for IDOT to monitor those wells."

"Are...it does not then. in fact, preempt or exclude a county from coming in to make those test sites, allowing another county in which those test sites would be taken to tell the first county to hit the road, would it?"

"It does not specifically preempt them, but it does allow IDOT to set up rules and regulations regarding them."

"In other words, the control more is in IDOT rather than in the county that may feel some degree of attempting to preserve their water rights."

"I believe that's a correct statement."

"Okay, thank you."

"Is there any further discussion? Hearing none, the question is, *Shall the House adopt the Second Conference Committee Report on House Bill 998?* All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote "no". Voting is open. Seventy-one votes are required. Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 75 voting aye', 28 voting 'no' and 4 171  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day November 6, 1987 voting 'present'. And the House does adopt the Second Conference Committee Report on House Bill 998, this Bill having received the extraordinary majority required. On Supplemental Number 8 appears House Bill 1763. Representative Kulas. One after this."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 1763, the original Bill was completely changed in the Conference Committee. All that the Conference Committee Report does, this would allow the City of Collinsville to impose a one percent sales tax on food and beverages prepared for immediate consumption."

"The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of the Second Conference Committee Report on House Bill 1763. And on that question, the Gentleman from McHenry, Representative Klemm."

"You know, I wanted to speak on the Bill, but I see I've a First Conference Committee Report. The second has not been distributed. I wonder if the Clerk...you could check with the Clerk and see if actually it has been distributed. We do have it, so I'd like to speak on it again if... Thank you very much. My question to the Sponsor is, what is the change between the first and the second, Hyron. I didn't...I just got the second right now."

"The first Conference Committee allowed any non-home rule unit to impose, that has a civic center, to impose such a tax. Unfortunately the Senate didn't agree with that so now we're just limiting it to the City of Collinsville."

"Alright, so this is where the business community of that area said they'd like to be taxed to support this. And it's excluding the rest of the state except for Collinsville. Is that correct?"

"Right, just Collinsville."

"Alright, thank you very much." 172  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day

November 6, 1987 "There being no further discussion, the question is, "Shall the House adopt the Second Conference Committee Report on House Bill 1763?* All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no". Voting is open. Seventy-one votes are required. This is final passage. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 73 voting 'aye', 28 voting 'no' and 7 voting 'present'. This Bill having received the required extraordinary majority is hereby declared passed and the House adopts the Second Conference Committee Report on House Bill 1763. On Supplemental Number 1, under Senate Bills Third Reading, appears Senate Bill 485. Representative Leverenz. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill on Third."

"Senate Bill 485. A Bill for an Act making appropriations for asbestos abatement. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Leverenz."

"Madam Speaker, I would now move to return this Bill to the Order of Second Reading for purpose of an Amendment."

"The Gentleman asks leave to return this Bill to the Order of Second Reading for the purposes of an Amendment. Does he have leave? Hearing no objection, he has leave. Are there any Amendments filed, Mr. Clerk?"

"Floor Amendment Number 1 offered by Representative Keane and Leverenz."

"Representative Keane withdraws the Amendment. Are there any further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment Number 2 offered by Representative McCracken."

"Representative McCracken."

"If I may, what's the opposite of divide the question. combine the question? I'd like to withdraw 2 through 6 and 173  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE November 6, 1987 82nd Legislative Day Number 8."

"The Gentleman withdraws Amendments 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 and 8. Is there an Amendment Number 7? Withdraw Amendment..."

"Floor...Floor Amendment 7, Mays."

"The Gentleman withdraws Amendment Number 7. Are there any further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment Number 9 offered by Representative Leverenz and Mays."

"Withdraw the Amendment. Are there any further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment Number 10 offered by Mautino and Churchill."

"Representative Mautino."

"Thank you very much. Madam Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, the Amendment Number 10 which becomes the Bill does not include any new funds. It provides three transfers that are necessary and should have been in 2762 on existing appropriations that must be acted on this evening so that on January 13th they could be addressed in the Senate. The appropriation funds that you see in there are no changes. They are what have been approved in previous appropriations, but the transfers must be completed because they are in the wrong agencies. We ask your support for Amendment Number 10."

"Representative Mautino asks for the adoption of Amendment Number 10 to Senate Bill 485. And on that question the Gentleman from McHenry, Representative Klemm."

"Will the Sponsor yield for a question?"

"He will."

"Representative Mautino, there were three schools that were listed that projects had already started. Are those the three that are still now included?" 174  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL AS SEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day

"No, they were deleted, Sir." November 6, 1987

"Which ones are included then? You said there were three. You didn't mention who they were."

"The Departments, one Representative Churchill has changing from the Environmental Protection Agency to the Department of Commerce and Community Affairs. One by Representative Brunsvold and DeJaegher, Department of Commerce and Community Affairs from Environmental Protection Agency. And one from the Build Illinois Bonds and Build Illinois Purposes Funds no change..."

"They are very fine projects. Thank you very much."

"The question is, Shall the House adopt Amendment Number 10 to Senate Bill 485? Is there any...All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes have it and the Amendment is adopted. Are there any further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Does the Gentleman have leave for immediate consideration of Senate Bill 485 on Third Reading? Hearing no objection, the Gentleman...the Gentleman has leave. Representative Leverenz."

"Senate Bill 485. A Bill for an Act to make appropriations and reappropriations for various state agencies. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Leverenz."

"Thank you, Madam Chairman and Members of...or Speaker and Members of the House. What you just heard, the dialogue from Representative Mautino and Representative Klemm is now the Bill. Ask for your 'aye' vote for its passage."

"The question is, Shall Sen...Senate Bill 485 pass?" All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed 175  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day November 6, 1987 vote "no". Voting is open. This is final action. Representative Peterson votes 'aye", Mr. Clerk. Mr. Clerk, vote Representative Peterson 'aye". I see. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 107 voting 'aye', none voting "no" and 4 voting 'present'. This Bill having received the Constitutional Majority is hereby declared passed. Representative McPike is recognized."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. If I could just make a statement for the record. I'd just like to indicate that, unfortunately, despite good faith negotiations by all parties involved, we were not able to work out the problems on the Solid Waste Management Act, Senate Bill 961. It is the intent of this side of the aisle to continue to work on it in hopes that we can have it called in January when we come back. Thank you."

"Ladies and Gentlemen... Representative Daniels, for what reason do you rise?"

"I agree with the statement of the last speaker. The Solid Waste Bill is extremely important and those of us on this side of the aisle will continue to work, and we're glad that it will be brought up again in January. And we'll do our best to negotiate a resolution of that."

"Thank you. Resolutions."

"House Resolution 490 (sic - 940) offered by Representative Curran et al. WHEREAS, Bob Walters, who has been assistant to the Clerk of the House of Representatives for the past three years, is retiring today: and WHEREAS, Bob, whose other hat is that of Mayor of Beardstown, is resigning from the Illinois House to accept a position in private industry; and WHEREAS, Bob, a dedicated family man and a longtime public servant, will be greatly missed in 176  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day November 6, 1987 this chamber where his services have been invaluable; and we want him to know how much we have appreciated everything he has done for us; therefore, be it RESOLVED BY THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES OF THE EIGHTY-FIFTH GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF THE STATE OF ILLINOIS, that we congratulate Bob Walters on his new position; that we thank him for his outstanding service to this House; and that we wish him well in his new endeavors; and be it further RESOLVED, That a suitable copy of this Preamble and Resolution be presented to Bob Walters with our appreciation and best wishes."

"Representative Curran on the Resolution."

"Ladies and Gentlemen, before you leave, we are losing a friend of ours tonight. One person who is with us this evening but will be with us on no other evenings. He has been an employee and a friend and an ally of a lot of ours for a long time. He's shaking hands down there in the well. He is a friend of mine, a friend of yours. He is the Mayor of the people of Beardstown. He has been honored by the Governor of this state being one of the most outstanding Mayors in terms of economic development in this state this year. His name is Bob Walters. We owe him a round of applause, because he's one hell of a guy."

"Representative Panayotovich on the Resolution."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen. Mayor Bob, congratulations to you in your new endeavors. And everybody knows what a hard worker you are. As Representative Curran said, everybody in this chamber is losing a friend. We're losing a hard worker. And I ask leave of the House that everybody be added on as Cosponsors."

"Representative Mays on the Resolution."

"Thank you very much, Madam Speaker. I, too, want to wish Bob the best in his future endeavor. You know I've been 177  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day November 6, 1987 his State Representative now for seven years and he still has a picture of Mike Curran hanging in his office. But...but we've had some rocky times together. We've also had some good times together. I do wish him well."

"Representative Novak. Representative Novak."

"Thank you. Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Mayor Bob, good luck to you. Best wishes. You've been an asset to the House of Representatives and we're sure going to miss you. Take care of yourself."

"Representative Hadi... Panayotovich has asked leave for all Members to be added on the Resolution. Shall the Resolution be adopted? All those in favor say "aye", all those opposed say 'no". In the opinion of the Chair, the ayes have it and the Resolution is adopted. We will miss you, Sir. Are there any further Resolutions, Mr. Clerk?"

"House Resolution 914, Madigan - Daniels; 915, Matijevich; 916, Van Duyne; 917, Turner: 918, Parcells; 919, Turner; 920, Churchill; 921, Pullen; 922, Pullen; 924, Bowman; 925, Mautino; 926, McNamara; 927, McGann; 928, McNamara; 929, McNamara; 930, McNamara; 931, Stern; 932, Berrios; 933, O'Connell; 934, O'Connell; 935, Younge; 936, Johnson and 937, Ewing."

"Excuse me, Mr. Clerk. Ladies and Gentlemen, before you leave, do not leave anything of importance on your desks. This building, this room, will be used tomorrow for a ceremony and everything will be cleared off the desks. So if you have anything of importance, take it now. Representative Matijevich now moves that the Resolutions, the Agreed Resolutions be adopted. All those in favor say "aye", all those opposed say 'no". In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it and the Agreed 178  82nd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE November 6, 1987 Resolutions are adopted. General Resolutions."

"House Joint Resolution 138 offered by Representative Countryman- et al."

"The Adjournment Resolution."

"Senate Joint Resolution 91. RESOLVED BY THE SENATE OF THE 85TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF THE STATE OF ILLINOIS, the House of Representatives concurring herein that when both Houses adjourn on Friday, November 6, 1987, they stand adjourned until Wednesday, January 13, 1987 (sic - 1988), at twelve o'clock noon."

"Representative McPike moves that the House adopt the Adjournment Resolution. All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes have it. And the Resolution is adopted. Death Resolutions."

"House Resolution 937 offered by Representative Johnson with respect to the memory of Charles Durst. House Resolution 938 offered by Representative Johnson with respect to the memory of Carl Trueblood."

"Ladies and Gentlemen, we have two Resolutions regarding the death... Excuse me, as to the former, the other Death Resolutions, the question is, 'Shall they be adopted?' All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes have it and those Death Resolutions are adopted. We have two Death Resolutions of former Members. We are going to read those Resolutions. Mr. Clerk."

"House Resolution 901 offered by Representative Matijevich, Stern and others. WHEREAS, The House of Representatives is saddened to learn that one of its former Members, Howard R. Slater, has passed away; and WHEREAS, Howard R. Slater graduated from Columbia University in 1936 and from its Law School in 1939 and he was active for many 179  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day November 6, 1987 years with the Tax Committee of the Chicago Bar Association; and WHEREAS, Mr. Slater served for five years during World War II with the U.S. Army, and he rose from the rank of Private to Captain; and after his discharge, he moved to Highland Park, where he lived for many years; and WHEREAS, An active Democrat since 1948, Howard Slater served as a precinct committeeman and on the Steering Committee of the Lake County Democrat Central Committee; and WHEREAS, In 1964, Howard Slater was elected and served one term in the Illinois House of Representatives, where he was cited for his distinguished service and he represented the City of North Chicago as its City Attorney; therefore be it RESOLVED, BY THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES OF THE EIGHTY-FIFTH GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF THE STATE OF ILLINOIS, that we are saddened by the passing of Howard R. Slater, who distinguished himself as a public servant during his service in the Illinois House of Representatives: that Howard Slater served as a respected and successful attorney in Illinois for many years; and that we honor the memory of Howard Slater by the recognition that he served ably in many public, political and civic capacities; and that we extend our sympathies and condolences to his wife, Rita, and their children: Paul, of Winnetka; and Jan Barnow, of Los Angeles; and Dr. Elizabeth Slater of New York; and be it further RESOLVED, That a suitable copy of this Preamble and Resolution be presented to Rita Slater."

"Representative Matijevich."

"Madam Speaker, Representative Giorgi is the only one that served here with Representative Slater. He served only one term here. I knew him well in the political circles in Lake County. And he served as the city attorney in my hometown. Grace Mary Stern knew him well being a resident of Highland Park for so many years. I offer my 180  82nd Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE November 6, 1987 sympathies and condolences to his wife, Rita, and the family."

"And the second Death Resolution, Mr. Clerk."

"House Resolution 923 offered by Representatives Daniels and Madigan. WHEREAS, the Members of this Body were saddened to hear of the death of William K. Cavanagh, whose illustrious career spanned several decades and included innumerable accomplishments: WHEREAS, during his tenure as an Illinois State Representative, William Cavanagh earned the respect of his colleagues through his tireless commitment to the people of the City of Springfield and the fifty-first district; WHEREAS, Mr. Cavanagh graduated from Springfield High School, Washington D.C.'s Catholic University of America and Georgetown University Law School; and WHEREAS, during his distinguished career, William Cavanagh served as an Illinois Special Assistant Attorney General, practiced before the United States Supreme Court, and worked as a Federal Bureau of Investigation Special Agent; and WHEREAS, Mr. Cavanagh served on the Pacific Fleet for the U.S. Navy during World War II, and was an active member of the American Legion, and served on the Advisory Commission of the Labor Management Policy for Public Employees; and WHEREAS, William Cavanagh and his wife Eleanor raised nine children - five daughters and four sons - all of whom possess the compassion, commitment and common sense that marked William Cavanagh's life; and WHEREAS, these and countless other accomplishments and services will be sorely missed by the thousands of individuals whose lives were touched by William K. Cavanagh; now therefore be it further RESOLVED BY THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES OF THE 85TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF THE STATE OF ILLINOIS, that we do hereby express our deep appreciation for William K. 181  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day November 6, 1987 Cavanagh's efforts on behalf of the people of this State; and be it further RESOLVED, that we do hereby express our deepest sympathy to his wife, Eleanor, and his children: Bill Jr., Tom, Bob, Pat, Anne, Mary, Susan, Maureen and Kathleen; and be it further RESOLVED, that a suitable copy of this Resolution and Preamble be presented to his wife, Eleanor, and their children."

"Representative Daniels."

"Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. William Cavanagh loved his country and loved his family. We are touched by him constantly in the Illinois General Assembly not only as a former Member, and the memories of a former Member serving in the late sixties, we also remember his service to World War II and to his country...as a Member of our Armed Services along with service in the Federal Bureau of Investigation. But those of us on the Republican side of the aisle specifically are touched by this loss this morning, early this morning...for his daughter, Maureen, is employed in the Republican Press Office. And where we have lost a valued friend and a former colleague and somebody who served his country SO well and left his widow and five daughters and four sons, we will remember the service to us and his compassion and friendship through his daughter and through her and his other children, his efforts will continue. Madam Speaker, I ask that all Members of the House join in sponsorship of this Resolution."

"Representative Daniels asks that all Members be joined in the sponsorship of both of these Resolutions. All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it and the Resolution will be adopted bearing the names of all Members. As a further... allowing time for the Clerk in 182  STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 82nd Legislative Day November 6, 1987 Perfunctory Session... as a further sign of respect of this Body, this House on the motion of Representative McPike will stand adjourned until Wednesday, January 13th, at the hour of twelve noon. All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it and this House stands adjourned until twelve noon, January 13th."

"Introduction First Reading of Bills. House Bill 2927, McNamara. A Bill for an Act to amend the Revenue Act. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2928, Cullerton. A Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Vehicle Code. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2929, McGann and Ryder. A Bill for an Act to amend Sections of an Act codifying the powers and duties of the Department of Mental Health and Developmental Disabilities. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2930, McGann and Ryder. A Bill for an Act to establish a Bill of Rights of persons developmental disabil...with developmental disabilities. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2931, Levin, Sutker, Lang and Stern. A Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Criminal Code. First Reading of the Bill. There being no further business, the House now stands adjourned." 183  03/15/88 11:28 STATE OF ILLINOIS 85TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES DAILY TRANSCRIPTION OF DEBATE INDEX NOVEMBER 06, 1987 PAGE 1 HB-0099 CONFERENCE PAGE 91 HB-0911 CONCURRENCE PAGE 83 HB-0998 CONFERENCE PAGE 167 HB-1038 CONFERENCE PAGE 76 HB-1055 CONFERENCE PAGE 92 HB-1188 CONFERENCE PAGE 94 HB-1188 MOTION PAGE 81 HB-1684 CONFERENCE PAGE 134 HB-1684 MOTION PAGE 105 HB-1763 CONFERENCE PAGE 172 HB-1763 MOTION PAGE 162 HB-1859 MOTION PAGE 110 HB-1923 CONFERENCE PAGE 111 HB-2065 CONFERENCE PAGE 57 HB-2070 CONFERENCE PAGE 163 HB-2070 MOTION PAGE 105 HB-2070 MOTION PAGE 110 HB-2276 CONFERENCE PAGE 165 HB-2276 MOTION PAGE 108 HB-2276 MOTION PAGE 110 HB-2712 CONFERENCE PAGE 126 HB-2715 CONFERENCE PAGE 123 HB-2746 CONFERENCE PAGE 128 HB-2746 MOTION PAGE 109 HB-2748 CONFERENCE PAGE 101 HB-2756 CONFERENCE PAGE 138 HB-2852 CONFERENCE PAGE 72 HB-2917 FIRST READING PAGE 56 HB-2918 FIRST READING PAGE 56 HB-2919 FIRST READING PAGE 56 HB-2920 FIRST READING PAGE 56 HB-2921 FIRST READING PAGE 56 HB-2922 FIRST READING PAGE 56 HB-2923 FIRST READING PAGE 57 HB-2924 FIRST READING PAGE 57 HB-2925 FIRST READING PAGE 57 HB-2926 FIRST READING PAGE 57 HB-2927 FIRST READING PAGE 183 HB-2928 FIRST READING PAGE 183 HB-2929 FIRST READING PAGE 183 HB-2930 FIRST READING PAGE 183 HB-2931 FIRST READING PAGE 183 SB-0126 CONFERENCE PAGE 46 SB-0187 CONFERENCE PAGE 165 SB-0236 CONFERENCE PAGE 127 SB-0484 CONFERENCE PAGE 74 SB-0485 RECALLED PAGE 173 SB-0485 THIRD READING PAGE 175 SB-0652 CONFERENCE PAGE 130 SB-0670 VETO ACTION PAGE 2 SB-0670 VETO ACTION PAGE 118 SB-0834 VETO ACTION PAGE 13 SB-0943 CONFERENCE PAGE 64 SB-1025 CONFERENCE PAGE 30 SB-1229 NON-CONCURRENCE PAGE 89 SB-1229 CONFERENCE PAGE 167 SB-1229 MOTION PAGE 89 SB-1322 CONFERENCE PAGE 79 SB-1377 NON-CONCURRENCE PAGE 90 SB-1416 MOTION PAGE 110 SB-1470 MOTION PAGE 102 SB-1506 CONFERENCE PAGE 31 HR-0825 ADOPTED PAGE 45 HR-0825 RESOLUTION OFFERED HR-0940 ADOPTED PAGE 43 PAGE 178  03/15/88 11:28 STATE OF ILLINOIS 85TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES DAILY TRANSCRIPTION OF DEBATE INDEX NOVEMBER 06, 1987 PAGE 2 HR-0940 RESOLUTION OFFERED PAGE 176 HJR-0006 THIRD READING PAGE 112 SUBJECT MATTER HOUSE TO ORDER - SPEAKER BRESLIN PAGE 1 PRAYER - FATHER VANN PAGE 1 PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE PAGE 1 ROLL CALL FOR ATTENDANCE PAGE 1 COMMITTEE REPORTS PAGE 81 COMMITTEE REPORTS PAGE 90 AGREED RESOLUTIONS PAGE 178 GENERAL RESOLUTIONS PAGE 179 ADJOURNMENT RESOLUTION PAGE 179 DEATH RESOLUTIONS PAGE 179 ADJOURNMENT PAGE 183 PERFUNCTORY SESSION PAGE 183 PERFUNCTORY SESSION ADJOURNMENT PAGE 183