"Ladies and Gentlemen, the hour of 11:30 having arrived, Members should be in their seats. The Chaplain for today will be Father Frank O'Hara, from Saints Peter and Paul Church, in Springfield. Father O'Hara has been with us on many other occasions, he's the guest of Representative Curran. We invite our guests in the gallery to rise and join us in the invocation."
"In the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. Almighty God who alone gives wisdom and understanding, inspire we pray You the minds of all to whom You have committed the government of this state. Give them the vision of truth and justice that by their counsels all races and classes may work together in true brotherhood and all citizens might benefit by their judgments. We ask this through Christ our Lord. In the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit. Amen. Thank you."
"We'll be led in the pledge by Representative Ropp."
"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
"Roll Call for Attendance. Representative Kubik, for what reason do you seek recognition?"
"Madam Speaker, would the record reflect that Representative Sieben has an excused absence today, please."
"Representative Sieben has an excused absence. Representative Matijevich, are there any excused absences on the Democratic side?"
"Yes, Madam Speaker, Representative Granberg is excused on the death of his father." 1 STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 134th Legislative Day November 30, 1988
"Okay. Representative Granberg is excused on the death of his father. Have all answered the Roll Call? Mr. Clerk, take the record. There are 116 people answering the Roll Call, a quorum is present. Representative Black will take the Chair for the purposes of making a special introduction. Representative Black."
"Thank you very much, Madam Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I'm joined today by a former Member of this august Body who has crossed the rotunda into semi-retirement, former Representative Harry 'Babe' Woodyard, now Senator Babe Woodyard. Senator, if you'd care to come up here at the podium with me, we have a high school in our district, in fact a high school in Babe's hometown, that we would like you to recognize with us today. They've accomplished something that is unique in the annals of Illinois high school athletics. What you see today are the Chrisman High School Cardinals, who are the Class A Boys' Cross-Country Champions and also the Class A Girls' High School Cross-Country Champions. That has not been done before and we congratulate them on that. Their coach is with us today, Roger Beals, down here to my left. Coach Beals, by the way, those of you who are basketball fans might be interested in this, Coach Beals has a record of 547 wins, 157 losses in 26 years of coaching and obviously with that record was inducted into the Illinois Basketball Coaches Association Hall of Fame in 1985. Without further ado, I would ask the Clerk of the House to read a Resolution that you honored this high school and these teams by passage yesterday. If you would, Mr. Clerk."
"House Resolution 1913, offered by Representative Black." 2 134th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE November 30, 1988 'WHEREAS, Chrisman High School, of Chrisman, Illinois, won both the boys' and girls' division of the State Class A Cross Country Championships; and WHEREAS, The victors will visit the legislature in November and will be introduced to the House and Senate; and WHEREAS, Chrisman's girls won their meet with 74 points, almost 30 points ahead of runner-up Tolono; the boys' victory was tighter, with the Cardinals scoring 122 to 139 for runner-up Tremont; and WHEREAS, Coach Roger Beals was jubilant and very proud of his teams; and WHEREAS, The girls who competed are: Kathy Morris, Michelle Kindred, Karen Morris, Tania Schackmann, Traci Bulter, Amy Malaise, and Courtney Porter; and WHEREAS, The members of the Boy's Cross Country team are: Billy Harvey, Lee Waltz, Andy Mills, Chad Beals, Brent Jenness, Brian Splicer, and Dusty Michaels; and WHEREAS, Karen Morris finished 3rd with a time of 12:34 over the 2.1 mile course, and Andy Mills was the boys' best finisher, placing 27th in 16:01; and WHEREAS, Through the excellent effort of these young men and women, Chrisman has become the first high school to capture both boys' and girls' State cross-country championships in the same year; therefore, be it RESOLVED, BY THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES OF THE EIGHTY-FIFTH GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF THE STATE OF ILLINOIS, that we heartily congratulate Chrisman High School's Boys' and Girls' teams on winning State Class A Cross Country Championships; that we commend Coach Roger Beals and the teams on their high level of effort and 3 STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 134th Legislative Day November 30, 1988 good sportsmanship; and that we wish all the students at Chrisman High School happiness and success in the future; and be it further RESOLVED, That a suitable copy of this preamble and resolution be presented to Coach Roger Beals with our best wishes.'
"We thank you very much, and before I wrap it up with my colleague, Senator Woodyard, the Gentleman from McLean, Representative Ropp, is seeking recognition."
"Well, Mr. Chairman, I certainly would like to congratulate all these outstanding young people for their efforts and ask the question, does the girl's team run faster than the boy's team?"
"Senator Woodyard and I will refer you to Coach Beals after we're done here, Representative. Ladies and Gentleman, we appreciate you honoring the Chrisman High School Boys' and Girls' Cross-Country Team's 1988 State Champions. We thank you very much and we certainly congratulate them and their coach and again thank you for allowing them this privilege today."
"Representative Matijevich."
"Madam Speaker, I wonder if Coach Beals would come over and somewhere on this side of the aisle is another hall of famer, Coach Lucco, who I think has 585 wins, so that maybe the two of them ought to get together, two good coaches."
"You're right, you're right. Ladies and Gentleman, today is Representative Braun's last day as a Member of the Illinois General Assembly, formally. As a consequence, Representative Braun in the Chair."
"Thank you, Representative Breslin. This is not speech time, thank you very much in any event. Agreed Resolutions."
"House Resolution 1927, offered by Representative 4 STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 134th Legislative Day November 30, 1988 Kubik. House Resolution 1928, offered by Representatives Hallock and Giorgi. House Resolution 1929, offered by Representative Slater. House Resolution 1930, offered by Representatives Hasara and Curran and House Resolution 1931, offered by Representative William Peterson."
"The Gentleman from Lake, Representative Matijevich moves the adoption of the Agreed Resolutions. All those in favor say 'aye', opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, the Resolutions are adopted. General Resolutions."
"Senate Joint Resolution 177, offered by Representatives Wyvetter Younge and Monroe Flinn."
"Committee on Assignment. Messages from the Senate."
"A message from the Senate by Ms. Hawker, Secretary. Mr. Speaker, I am directed to inform the House of Representatives that the Senate has concurred with the House of Representatives in the passage of the following Bills, together with Amendments and the adoption of which I am instructed to ask concurrence of the House to wit: House Bills 2981, 4180, 4256, passed the Senate as amended, November 29th, 1988. Linda Hawker, Secretary."
"On page 4 of the Calendar on the Order of Amendatory Veto Motions, Gubernatorial Compliance, appears Senate Bill 1532, Representative Steczo. Mr. Clerk, read the Motion. The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Steczo. Representative Steczo. Representative Steczo, there's apparently a problem with your microphone. If you can use the desk next to yours, thank you."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Members of the House. Madam Speaker, the board should reflect which Bill we are discussing."
"Senate Bill 1532." 5 STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 134th Legislative Day November 30, 1988
"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Members of the House, I would move to concur with the Governor's Amendatory Veto suggestions on Senate Bill 1532. Senate Bill 1532 is an omnibus local government Bill that passed this Legislature last, last June and the Governor provided for a few...a few changes in that legislation, one of which deals with court security fees that are currently in place in certain counties throughout the state. The Governor explained the change by saying that he had received a unofficial opinion from the Attorney General's Office relating to that fee and he provided the proposed language which I would like to concur with. In addition to that, there was a Section dealing with streets and subdivisions platted prior to January 1st, 1959, that deal with township roads and the Governor suggested that with regard to those standards, that the standards be prepared by the County Superintendent of Highways before approval by a county board. That provision presents no problem and an addition on one other Section, dealing with a Section that Representative Klemm had indi... had dealt with, with regard to building of highways in municipalities and sharing of fees, we had an agreement last year that that would be permissive and there was a problem in one Section that...where mandatory language was left in, SO the Governor made a simple correction there. That's what the Bill does, Madam Speaker. If there's any questions, I'd be happy to answer, otherwise I ask for a favorable vote."
"The Gentleman has moved the acceptance of the Governor's Amendatory Veto on Senate Bill 1532 and on that, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall the House accept the specific recommendations for change with respect to Senate Bill 1532?' All in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. The voting is open. Have 6 134th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE November 30, 1988 all voted? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? This Motion...this Motion has received the Constitution...Constitutional Majority and the Motion is adopted and the House accepts the Governor's specific recommendations for change on Senate Bill 1532. On page 4 of the Calendar, Senate Bill 1562, Representative Keane. Is the Gentleman in the chamber? Representative Keane. The House would like to consider Amendatory Veto Motions filed by Representatives Keane, Cullerton and Williams. If any of the Gentlemen are in the vicinity, it would be appreciated if they would come to work. The House will be at ease. On page 4 of the Calendar under Amendatory Veto Motions appears Senate Bill 1562, Representative Keane. Is the Gentleman in the chamber? Out of the record. Senate Bill 1800, Representative Cullerton."
"Yes thank you, Madam Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This Bill... First of all, I'll explain what the Bill did and I'll just tell you that I moved to accept the Amendatory Veto, because the Governor's Amendments are just technical in nature. The Bill deals with the...a notice of prepayment of federally subsidized mortgage...of the Federally Subsidized Mortgage Act. The situation is the following: The Federal Government a number of years ago, about twenty years ago, started a program where they would provide a subsidized mortgages for low income housing and they allowed the builder of these buildings to prepay the mortgage after twenty years. For many buildings in Chicago, this twenty year period is coming due and in some areas the results are that the owners have decided that they want to prepay the mortgage and then they would be eligible to, in some cases, double the rents and kick out the people who are in the building. This has come to light 7 STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 134th Legislative Day November 30, 1988 because these twenty year periods are up. There's numerous units of low income housing in the City of Chicago that would be affected. So what we've done is, we've sat down with the Illinois Housing Development Authority and we've worked out an agreed Bill with them where the owners...I'm sorry, the tenants would receive a notice that this mortgage was about to be prepaid, the purpose of which is to give them an opportunity to find alternate housing. We are not in anyway abridging the contract that the landlord has signed with the Federal Government. We're only providing notice to the tenants. Now as I indicated, the Governor's Amendatory Veto says that the Bill creates reasonable notification requirements for building owners who have these mortgages subsidized and he acknowledges that prepayment of the mortgages may mean loss of this low income housing units. He points out that the residents with this notice can arrange for alternate housing and he supports that. However, the Bill did have a technical error, the error was in reference to the applicable paragraph of Section 8 of the United States Housing Act of 1937 and it's important that that be corrected. And the Governor also made a second technical correction. But I just want to indicate in accepting this, that I think it's a very significant Bill for these tenants who would be forced to...who will be forced, potentially, to move, but by giving them the notice they will have hopefully adequate protection in order to find alternate housing. So I would be happy to answer any questions and I would appreciate an 'affirmative' vote."
"The Gentleman has moved the acceptance of the Amendatory Veto on Senate Bill 1800 and on that, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall the House accept the specific recommendations for change 8 134th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE November 30, 1988 with respect to Senate Bill 1800?' All in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 116 voting 'aye', none voting 'no'. This Motion having received the required Constitutional Majority...the majority...the Motion is adopted and the House accepts the Governor's specific recommendations for change on Senate Bill 1800. On the Supplemental Calendar #1, Amendatory Veto Motions, appears Senate Bill 1856, Representative Keane...Williams. Representative Williams."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker, I rise to recommend that we accept the Governor's Amendatory Veto. What Senate Bill 1856 did, was to amend the School Code to add chronic truancy rates as one of the reporting elements contained in the school attendance center report card. The Governor's recommended...the Veto, basically all it does is change the term chronic truancy rates to be changed to the account of the chronic truancy, feeling that it would be easier for...to compile the count as opposed to actually figuring out what the rates were. I rise in support of this Amendatory Veto. It requires seventy-one votes and I urge a 'aye' vote in accepting the Governor's Amendatory Veto."
"The Governor's moved...the Gentleman has moved the acceptance of the Governor's Amendatory Veto on Senate Bill 1856. On that, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall the House accept the specific recommendations for change with respect to Senate Bill 1856?' All in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question there 116 voting 'aye', none voting 'no'. This Motion having received the required Constitutional 9 STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 134th Legislative Day November 30, 1988 Majority, the Motion is adopted and the House accepts the Governor's specific recommendations for change with respect to Senate Bill 1856. On the Supplemental Calendar #1, on the Order of Motions, appears Senate...a Motion with respect to Senate Bill 2123, Representative Countryman."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I move to suspend Rule 37(g) and advance to the Order of Second Reading, Second Day, Senate Bill 2123 which presently stands on the Calendar as Second Reading, First Legislative Day."
"The Gentleman has moved that the...that Senate Bill 2123 be advanced on the Order of Calendar and on that, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, all...is, 'Shall the Motion be adopted?' All in favor say 'aye', opposed say 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair the 'ayes' have it, the Motion is adopted. The Motion on 2123 was adopted by use of the Attendance Roll Call. Be at ease. On Supplemental Calendar #1, the Order of Motions, appears a Motion on House Bill 2917, Representative Mautino. Representative Mautino. Is the Gentleman in the chamber? He is not. Out of the record. House Bill 4256, Representative DeJaegher, your Motion on House Bill 4256."
"Thank you Memb...thank you, Madam Chairman, Members of the General Assembly, I move to suspend Rule 79(d) and (e) and place on the Order of Concurrence."
"The Gentleman has move to suspend Rule 79(d) and (e) and place House Bill 4256 on the Order of Concurrence. All in favor say 'aye', opposed say 'no'. The House will use the Attendance Roll...no. Representative McCracken."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker, will the Sponsor yield?"
"He indicates he will."
"Apparently it's your intent to accept the Senate Amendment on Concurrence." 10 STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 134th Legislative Day
"On Concurrence, yes."
"Okay. What does that do?"
November 30, 1988 "Well, what the Bill...4256 has basically been gutted. What the Legislative intent is this particular time, we in that particular area intend to build a NASCAR track, investing thirty-five million dollars. The substance of the Bill is that developers of that particular project will be able to charge an additional two dollars admission fee for the retirement of bonds for the construction of the facility. It will affect no one in the State of Illinois. The only person it will affect is those people that participate in the racing endeavors. It has the support of the Governor and it has also passed the Senate by a 58 to 0 margin."
"Alright, thank you."
"Is there further discussion? There being none, the Gentleman has moved for the suspension of Rule 79(d) and (e). There being no objection, the Attendance Roll Call will be used and the Motion is adopted. On the Order of Concurrence, appears House Bill 4256. Mr. Clerk. House Bill 4256 on the Order of Concurrence, Mr. Clerk, read the... The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Rock Island."
"Thank you, Madam Chairman, Members of the General Assembly, I briefly made a summarization of what 4256 would now do and I also informed you, of course, that the Senate passed this Bill 58 to 0 and all of you, without a doubt are...do realize and basically the Governor has addressed himself to the situation that we have in our area. What we would like to do with this particular Bill is to develop a NASCAR race track. It has the support of the Governor and what the Bill basically in all instances does, is charge an additional two dollars admission fee for the retirement 11 STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 134th Legislative Day November 30, 1988 bonds for the construction of the facility. Once this...once this is...this track is put in place from that, hopefully that we will encourage job development in that area and there is figures of somewhere around five thousand jobs being created once this track is operable and other industries located in that general area. And with that explanation, hopefully, that you'll be receptive and give the same type of vote that our colleagues in the other House did."
"The Gentleman has moved for concurrence on House Bill 4256 and on that, is there any discussion? The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Madison, Representative McPike."
"Will the Gentleman yield?"
"He indicates he will."
"Just out of curiosity, does this affect the authority in Madison and St. Clair County or just the authority in the Quad Cities?"
"It just affects the authority in the Quad City region, Jim."
"Thanks."
"Is there further discussion? The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from DuPage, Representative McCracken."
"Thank you. I'm going to suggest to Members on this side of the aisle that we not agree to this Bill. We have been debating for a couple of weeks now the use of the Amendatory Veto powers and the Gubernatorial Noncompliance Calendar and things of that nature. There's been a breakdown in passing Bills, there's been an attack on the Governor's authority. I don't see any reason that this should go through without a challenge. I think it's time that we stood up for ourselves and one of the ways we can 12 STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 134th Legislative Day November 30, 1988 do it is where Bills or Motions take seventy-one votes, we should stick together and vote 'no' and I'm asking my side of the aisle to do that now. Representative DeJaegher, I hope ultimately something productive comes out of this. I'm not addressing my remarks to the contents of the Bill, I just think that we have to take a stand somewhere. So I'm asking our side of the aisle to vote 'no'."
"Is there further discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Young."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I'd just like to comment on the remarks of the last speaker. I find it somewhat interesting that when people on this side of the aisle think it's time to stand up and take a stand and maybe cast a vote that doesn't deal with the issues of a particular Bill, but with a overall stand on something we feel strongly about, the Gentlemen on that side, particularly the last speaker, seem to find that there's something inherently wrong with that. And now all of a sudden Representative DeJaegher has a Bill that admittedly is a good Bill, but still he urges a vote to make a point and I'm just wondering what's the difference."
"Is there further discussion? Is there further discussion? There being none, the Gentleman from Rock Island to close."
"Ladies and Gentlemen of the General Assembly, I implore you, in fact I beg you, to be receptive to the implementation of this Bill. Your Governor basically isolated that particular area and also the East St. Louis area. That something must be done for the economy of that particular area, we have a Bill in place that would basically bring the structuring...or restructuring in that particular area. We have an opportunity of job creation. We have an opportunity of creating a facility nowhere in 13 134th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE November 30, 1988 the State of Illinois. The developers have been moving forward; countless, countless of dollars that have been spent in this particular endeavor, so please, please give me the necessary votes SO that we can revitalize the economy in that particular district. It does not affect you in any way, none whatever. The only people that it affects is those people that will be going to that track and paying the admission. It does...it's not a tax increase, it doesn't affect anyone's district but my own. It's an opportunity for us to revitalize the area. So please reconsider if you haven't considered as yet that you be supportive of this Bill. I have been supportive of many a piece of legislation in the past on your side of the aisle, hopefully you will concur and also be supportive of this passage."
"Gentleman from Rock Island."
"Speaker, for the present, I'd like to take this Bill out of the record."
"The Bill is out of the record. On Supplemental Calendar #1, appears a Motion on House Bill 2917, Representative Mautino. Representative Mautino."
"Thank you very much, Madam Speaker, inquiry of the Chair, please. The concurrence takes how many votes?"
"Right now, Representative, we are on your Motion to place this issue on the Order of Concurrence, so I think it would be appropriate to take first things first."
"Alright, fine. Yes..."
"Is there any discussion? Representative McCracken, for what reason do you rise?"
"Take it out of the record for one minute, one minute."
"Representative Mautino."
"Just one minute, Speaker." 14 STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 134th Legislative Day November 30, 1988
"Out of the record. In the meantime, we have an announcement and introduction by Representative Hasara."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker, at this time I would ask the national champion soccer team to come up to the podium, please. They're from our own local university, Sangamon State. Would you please all come up? We indeed in the capitol city are extremely proud of the Prairie Stars of Sangamon State University. Not just the state champions, but the national champion soccer team. While they are on their way up, I would ask for a Resolution to be read."
"House Resolution 1930, offered by Representatives Hasara and Curran." 'WHEREAS, The Sangamon State University Prairie Stars, coached by Aydin Gonulsen, captured the National Association of Intercollegiate Athletics Soccer Championship in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida, on Saturday, November 26, 1988; and WHEREAS, The Prairie Stars defeated Alderson-Broaddus College 3-1 in the title game, winning their second NAIA championship in 3 years; and WHEREAS, Forward and Midfielder Ezekiel Doe from Monrovia, Liberia, and Halfback Tim Amlong from Ferguson, Missouri, were selected for the All-Tournament Team; and WHEREAS, Forward and Midfielder Ezekiel Doe from Monrovia, Liberia, was selected most valuable offensive player and also Most Valuable Player for the entire tournament; and WHEREAS, The Prairie Stars, who finished the season with a 18-2 record, won the State Championship on November 5th and the Area Championship on November 12, 1988; and WHEREAS, Sangamon State University is the only upper-level institution ever to win the NAIA National Tournament in its 30 15 STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 134th Legislative Day years of existence; and November 30, 1988 WHEREAS, More than 150 enthusiastic fans from Illinois accompanied the Prairie Stars to Ft. Lauderdale, including Dean of Student Services Homer Butler and President Durward Long; and WHEREAS, By virtue of this win the team is invited to play in the World Collegiate Cup in Phoenix (Tempe), Arizona, in April, 1989; and WHEREAS, The team members, who proudly represented their school and community are: Tim Amlong, Graeme Anderton, Jaime Barbosa, Joe Becher, Rob DeKorsi, Ezekiel Doe, Mike Dwyer, Dennis Gaudreault, Kevin Groark, Greg Handy, John Krohe, Ed Langert, Isaiah Lincoln, Roger Nesch, Pat Phillips, Mike Rooney, John O'Halloran, Chris Owsley, Chris Schenk, Joe Scroggins, Doug Skrivan, Chris Sondker, Rod Talbert, Steve Vaughn, Todd Zeller; and WHEREAS, They were given great coaching and support by Head Coach Aydin Gonulsen, Assistant Coaches Joe Eck and Milt Tennant, Goalkeeper Coach Kevin Mocharnuk and the team physician, Bill Masica; therefore, be it RESOLVED, BY THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES OF THE EIGHTY-FIFTH GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF THE STATE OF ILLINOIS, that we congratulate Sangamon State University and the Sangamon State University Varsity Soccer team, the Prairie Stars, on their National Championship; that we commend the players and coaches on their outstanding achievement and team spirit; and that we praise all the students, faculty members and administrators who lent their support and encouragement to this effort; and be it further RESOLVED, That we wish the Prairie Stars success in the World Collegiate Cup Competition in Arizona in April, 1989; and be it further 16 STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 134th Legislative Day November 30, 1988 RESOLVED, That a suitable copy of this preamble and resolution be presented to Head Coach Aydin Gonulsen and to each member of the team.'
"Ladies and Gentlemen, often we bring to you state championships...state championship teams. Sometimes we manage to bring you a national championship team. Last year this coach and some of these gentlemen came in second in the world and this year Coach Gonulsen tells me they are going to be first in the world. Coach Aydin Gonulsen of the Sangamon State Prairie Stars."
We Coach Gonulsen: "Thank you very much. I would like to take this opportunity to thank Mike Curran and Karen Hasara who has been with us through the years. We are very proud that we brought home to Springfield the national championship. represented Sangamon State University, Springfield community and the State of Illinois, I think quite well and with the support of this community, we're going to Phoenix, Arizona to the Fiesta Bowl in April and hopefully, I won't say hopefully, we're going to bring you back the world championship. And this is my team. Thank you very much."
"Thank you very much and welcome to the Capitol. Representative Olson." I would Olson, R.: "Ladies and Gentlemen, fellow House Members, like to introduce to you Anders Bach Jensen of Kopenhagen, Denmark and Andrew Edward Kuble of Melbourne, Australia. Mr. Clerk, would you read the Resolution."
"House Resolution 1886, offered by Representative Robert Olson." 'WHEREAS, The members of this body are pleased to welcome two outstanding young people to our State; and WHEREAS, It has come to our attention that Anders Bach Jensen 17 STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 134th Legislative Day November 30, 1988 and Andrew Edward Kuble have come to the United States as foreign exchange students and are attending Williamsville High School; and WHEREAS, Anders Bach Jensen, the son of Mogens and Gudrun Jensen, is from Kopenhagen, Denmark, and he is a junior at Williamsburg High School and a member of the football team; and WHEREAS, Andrew Edward Kuble, the son of Sharon and Peter Kuble, is from Melbourne, Australia, where he was a student at St. Kevin's College; and WHEREAS, While in the United States, Anders is residing with the Davis family in rural Sherman, and Andrew is living with Catherine and Thomas O'Connor in Sherman; and WHEREAS, From August of 1988 to May of 1989, Anders will be studying and experiencing various American traditions, customs, teachings and values made possible through the Experiment in Living International, while Andrew's exchange opportunity was arranged through the American Intercultural Student Exchange; and WHEREAS, It is with great pride that we host two young people from Denmark and Australia during their year long adventure in the United States; therefore, be it RESOLVED, BY THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES OF THE EIGHTY-FIFTH GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF THE STATE OF ILLINOIS, that we welcome Anders Jensen and Andrew Kuble as exchange students; that we commend them on their quest for knowledge and their ability to adapt to a new and challenging environment; and that we extend our very best wishes to them for a successful and rewarding future; and be it further RESOLVED, That suitable copies of this preamble and resolution be presented to Anders Bach Jensen and Andrew Edward Kuble.' Olson, R.: "Thank you, Mr. Clerk. Ladies and Gentlemen, would 18 134th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE November 30, 1988 you join me in welcoming Anders and Andrew and also wishing them Godspeed when they leave our country next summer."
"Returning to the Supplemental Calendar #1 appears a Motion by Representative Mautino on House Bill 2917. The Gentleman from Bureau."
"Thank you very much, Madam Chairman. Representative McCracken and I have discussed the Motion, we move for the adoption for the movement."
"The Gentleman has moved the House suspend Rule 79(d) and (e) on...with regard to House Bill 2917 and on that, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall the Gentleman's Motion be adopted by use of the Attendance Roll Call?' All in favor say 'aye', opposed say 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair the 'ayes' have it and the Motion is adopted. On the Calendar appears...Supplemental Calendar #1, appears House Bill 2917 on the Order of Concurrence. The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Bureau, Representative Mautino."
"Thank you very much, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. The concurrence...the Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2917 affects only two areas. The Bill has basically been gutted, the Senate Amendment becomes the Bill. It is the authorization Bill for the Municipal Wastewater Treatment Revolving Loan Fund. When we established the funding mechanism substantive language in the latter days of June of this Session, we provided for a wastewater treatment program and this is the authorization of those bonds, the seventy million dollars worth of bonds that must be increased to the existing authorization. The seventy million will be placed in the Anti-Pollution Bond Fund of the EPA for grants and loans to those communities and local governments that are under the provisions which we provided in substantive language. It 19 STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 134th Legislative Day November 30, 1988 is a seventy million dollar authorization for the cities and villages included in the previous legislation and I move for its adoption."
"The Gentleman has moved that the House concur in Senate Amendments on House Bill 2917 and on that, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall the House concur in Senate Amendments 1 and 2 to House Bill 2917?' All in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. The voting is open. This is final action. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 114 voting 'aye' and none voting 'no' and the House does concur in Senate Amendments 1 and 2 to House Bill 2917. The House will be at ease. On Supplemental Calendar #1, on the Order of Concurrence, appears House Bill 4256, Representative DeJaegher. The Gentleman from Rock Island."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker and Members of the General Assembly, I have talked with Tom McCracken. Tom has removed the objections on 4256. I think that I have explained the Bill and what ramifications it will be and a tremendous asset that it will be to the district. I stand ready to answer any more questions pertaining to this Bill now that the problems that did surface briefly have been ironed out and hopefully that you will be supportive of this Bill."
"The Gentleman moves that the House concur in Senate Amendment 2 to House Bill 4256 and on that, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall the House concur in Senate Amendment 2 to House Bill 4256?' All in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 113 voting 'yes', none voting 'no' and 20 STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 134th Legislative Day November 30, 1988 the House does concur in Senate Amendments to House Bill 4256. Now the House will be at ease. The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Bureau, Representative Mautino for an announcement. For a point of order, Representative Mautino."
"Thank you very much, Madam Speaker, I'd like to take the time of the House for a moment and I would also like to ask for reconsideration of the vote just taken on Senate...on House Bill 2917 and apologize to the Members of the House. When I presented 2917, I took the provisions provided in Senate Amendment #1, Senate Amendment #2 was not on my desk at that time. In the Senate they do things differently than in the House, they don't remove Amendments that appear on the Bill, they add new Amendments and that final Amendment becomes the Bill. I apologize to this House for presenting a piece of legislation that was erroneous. I would at this time like to have reconsideration of that Bill because Senate Amendment #2 became the Bill and it wasn't in the same posture of the bond authorization that I originally presented and I ask for a reconsideration of that Bill."
"The Gentleman has moved to reconsider the vote by which Senate Amendments 1 and 2 were adopted in concurrence on House Bill 2917 and on that, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Vermilion, Representative Black."
"Thank you very much, Madam Speaker and I would just hope that all Members of the House were paying attention to the Gentleman. I commend him for his courage in doing what he is doing, I think it speaks well for his credibility and the Gentleman's integrity and I would certainly join in urging support of his Motion to reconsider this vote."
"Okay. The Gentleman from Bureau, Representative Mautino." 21 STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 134th Legislative Day
November 30, 1988 "Thank you. Yes, Ma'am, I do move for reconsideration of Senate Amendments 1 and 2 to House Bill 2917 and it is my intention to move for the adoption of those same Amendments with an explanation of exactly what the Senate Amendment #2 did."
"The Gentleman has moved for concurrence in Senate Amendments 1 and 2 on House Bill 2917. All in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. This is the reconsideration vote. Have all voted? Have all voted? Clerk will take the record. On this Motion there are 109 voting 'yes', none voting 'no' and the House will reconsider the vote by which concurrence was adopted on Senate... House Bill 2917. On the Order of Concurrence, House Bill 2917, Representative Mautino."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Senate Amendment #1 originally provided for the seventy million dollars of authorized bond...newly authorized... new bond authorization. That Amendment was then eliminated from the Bill by Amendment #2 which became the Bill, so in my original remarks I said that the Conference Committee addressed only the bond authorization, that was not correct. The Bill that we are looking at now, 2917, of which Amendment #2 becomes the Bill, provides for the licensure fees that the Hazardous Waste Crane and Hoisting Equipment Operators Licensing Act provides, that is their money they provide for licenses goes into the Hazardous Waste Occupational Licensing Fund, so that those monies in the fund paid for by those engineers may be used by the agency pursuant to our appropriation for the administration of the Act. That is now what the Bill does and I move for its adoption."
"The Gentleman moves for concurrence in Senate Amendments 1 and 2 to House Bill 2917 and on that, is there 22 134th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE November 30, 1988 any further discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall the House concur in Senate Amendments 1 and 2 to House Bill 2917?' All in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. This is final action. Voting is open. The Gentleman from Lake, Representative Matijevich."
"Madam Speaker, I only wanted to introduce Tom McMaster, a good friend of all of ours here. He looks great."
"Only for you, Representative Matijevich, we're in the middle of a vote. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question there are lll voting 'aye', none voting 'no' and the House does concur in Senate Amendments 1 and 2 to House Bill 2917 and this Bill having received the Constitutional Majority is hereby declared passed. On page 4 of the Calendar, the Order of Amendatory Veto Motions, appears Senate Bill 1562, Representative Keane."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker, I move to override the Governor's Amendatory Veto on Senate Bill 1562. Senate Bill 1562 was...we discussed this earlier and a companion Bill was passed two weeks ago. It's the income tax refund Bill. I'd be happy to answer any questions and ask for a favorable Roll Call."
"The Gentleman has moved to override the Governor's Veto on... I'm sorry, Representative Keane."
"I'm sorry, can you take this out of the record for a moment?"
"The Gentleman has requested the Bill be taken out of the record. Supplemental Calendar #1... Going back work. Supplemental Calendar #1, on the Order of Motions. Supplemental Calendar #1, on the Order of Motions, appears House Bill 2533, Representative DeLeo."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker, at this time I have a Motion. 23 STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 134th Legislative Day November 30, 1988 I'd like to move to suspend Rule 79(d) and (e), place House Bill 2533 on the Calendar, Order of Concurrences."
"The Gentleman has moved to suspend Rule 79(d) and (e) on House...with regard to House Bill 2533. On that, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Levin."
"Could the Gentleman explain a little more about what this does, because the way I see it, this is not something that helps the consumer and something that can wait until January to be dealt with."
"Representative DeLeo."
"Madam Speaker, we're not on the Bill at this time, we're just on the Motion, so if the Representative could hold his comments 'til we get to the Bill I would be more than glad to accommodate him. We have to wait for another Supplement."
"Well, I see."
"Representative Levin."
"Madam Speaker, it seems to me the question of whether or not this is the kind of emergency that should be dealt with now, or is an issue that ought to wait for the next Session, is certainly relevant in terms of our determining whether we're going to suspend the rules. The Amendment that would be before us if we adopt this...this Motion, the way I read it and I don't have very much in front of me, would remove what few protections consumers have in terms of credit cards and I guess the question is, is it something we really need to deal with now in November, or is it something that we ought to wait and have some hearings in the next Session and see whether or not we ought to take away the few protections that the consumers have in the credit card area. I don't see this great emergency to deal with it today and I would stand in 24 STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 134th Legislative Day opposition to the Gentleman's Motion." November 30, 1988
"Is there further discussion? There being none... Representative DeLeo."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker, on the Motion I ask for an affirmative Roll Call."
"The Gentleman has moved that the House suspend Rules 79(d) and (e) and place on the Order of Concurrence House Bill 2533. All in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Lady from Champaign, Representative Satterthwaite."
"Madam Speaker and Members of the House, although at this point the Motion doesn't tell us what the substance of any subsequent vote might be, it appears that we would be using this in order to allow credit cards to fluctuate in their rates, so that people would be paying perhaps at a higher rate after a purchase than they had agreed to at the time of purchase and so if you are interested in protecting your consumers so that they are not given much higher rates before they are able to pay off their bills, then I think you should be very cautious about bringing this Bill out for possible detrimental action to the consumers."
"Have all voted? The Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 83 voting 'aye', 24 voting 'no' and the Motion prevails. That's what I said, prevails. Prevails. Wrong. Wrong, prevails. You just have to listen, Representative. House Bill 2413 (sic - 4213), Representative Cullerton. Representative Cullerton. Representative Cullerton on a Motion, on 4213."
"I think it's 42..."
"It is 42."
"The board says 2413."
"And that." 25 134th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE November 30, 1988
"So I'm not going to start 'til that board's right."
"Huh? House Bil1 4213."
"Yes, the Motion is to suspend Rule 79(d) and (e) with regard to House Bill 4213. This is a pension vehicle which is in the Senate, which is on Second Reading now. I f the Senate passes that Bill as we expect they will, we would put this Bill in a Conference Committee and it's necessary to take the Bill from the Table and also to suspend Rule 79(e) in order to do that. So this would be a vehicle for an agreed pension Bill and that's why I'm making the Motion."
"The Gentleman...you've heard the Gentleman's Motion. Representative Cullerton has moved to suspend Rule 79(d) and (e) with regard to House Bill 4213 and on that, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall...shall Rule 79(d) and (e) be suspended?' Leave to use the Attendance Roll Call? Leave is granted, the Motion prevails. On the Order of Motions, Senate Bill 1214, Representative Dunn. Representative Dunn. Is the Gentleman in the chamber? Out of the record. Senate Bill 1706, Representative Hicks. Representative Hicks's Motion on 1706."
"Yes, Madam Speaker, I move to suspend the Rules to have a Conference Committee appointed for Senate Bill 1706."
"The Gentleman has moved to suspend the Rules...to suspend Rules 79(d) and (e) with regard to Senate Bill 1706 and on that, is there any discussion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall the Motion be adopted?' Is leave granted to use the Attendance Roll Call? There's no objection, leave is granted. The Motion prevails. House Joint Resolution 224, Representative Curran."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker, I move to discharge the Executive Committee from further consideration and advance 26 134th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE November 30, 1988 House Joint Resolution to the Speaker's Table for immediate consideration."
"Representative Curran, I'm sorry. The Gentleman...you've heard the Gentleman Motions...the Gentleman's Motion on that, is there any discussion? The Lady from Cook, Representative Currie."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker, I have a Parliamentary Inquiry. Was this Bill heard in the House Rules Committee?"
"The Clerk will determine whether it's been heard in the Rules Committee, Representative. Reason... Representative Curran, while we are exploring Representative Currie's question, the Chair would like to recognize the Gentleman from DuPage, Representative Lee Daniels."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House with the concurrence of the Chair, I'm going to take a minute out to read a letter from our distinguished Republican Leader of the United States Congress, Robert Michel, to our distinguished colleague, Representative Fred Tuerk. As Representative Michel sends this letter, he is joined in a letter from Pete Donis who is the President and Chief Operating Officer of Caterpillar, Inc. Prior to that, Ladies and Gentlemen and Members of the House, Madam Speaker, I have been asked by the Mayor of Peoria to present to Representative Tuerk a proclamation that reads: 'Office of the Mayor, Proclamation, City of Peoria. Fred J. Tuerk, thank you for twenty years of conscientious, caring service to the citizens of Peoria and central Illinois, signed by the Mayor, James Maloof'. This proclamation is accompanied by the letter from Congressman Michel, which states; 'Dear Fred, it is an absolute delight for me to share in the honor bestowed upon you today as you 27 STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 134th Legislative Day November 30, 1988 depart the Illinois House of Representatives. Your twenty years of service to the Peoria area can best be typified by your hard work, your sensitivity to the needs of the people of our area and your dedication to improving the quality of life for all of us. Thank you so much and to Mary and your family for the sacrifices you have made during your stewardship in the Illinois General Assembly. You have served with distinction. Now I hope you will take the time to enjoy your family and improve your handicap on the golf course. Corrine sends her best for a great retirement. Our warmest regards. Sincerely, Robert H. Michel, Member of Congress'. The second letter is from Peter Donis, President and Chief Operating Officer, in which he congratulates you, Fred, for your twenty years of service to the people of the Peoria area in the State of Illinois. And Fred, on behalf of all of us in the General Assembly, let me join with the Mayor and the citizens of Peoria in congratulating you for your time, your effort on behalf of all of us in Illinois. Thank you."
"Congratulations. Representative Tuerk." The
Chair recognizes Tuerk: "Thank you. Thank you. To... I've always wanted occupy this spot but never quite made it, but I do appreciate all the thoughtful things that have been said. Many of you have said that I'm going to be missed, which is nice to hear. I'll be back once in awhile and visit. won't be gone until January the 11th, in case anything's holding over for that day, I'll be back. But I've spent about thirty percent of my life in this chamber. When you stop and think about it, twenty years, I'm sixty-six now, thirty percent, that's a big part of my life and it's been very satisfying and rewarding and as I've said many times before, frustrating a lot of times, but very challenging. to I 28 STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 134th Legislative Day November 30, 1988 And it's been a very great opportunity for me to be able to serve my constituents and the whole state for this period of time. The Republican Party had a luncheon for me last February, at which time Lee was there, Bob Michel was there, I had my picture taken with the Leader of the Illinois House as well as the Leader of the Congressional House...the Federal Congress which was pretty nice and people have been so good to me over the years to send me back every two years. It's just been a fine experience and my family has appreciated all the nice things and they've certainly, as Lee points out, sacrificed some, because as I pointed out back in February when I first came down here, we had some little ones running around the house and my wife had to take over and manage the affairs at home in which she did an excellent job and she'll be down later today. I'm sorry she didn't get here for this because she would appreciate it I'm sure, but I hope to see all of you over at Sam's place at five if we can get out of here. We're going to have a little fun over there and it'll be nice seeing everybody. And I just want to say to everybody that I've ever served with, I've never been associated with a finer bunch of people in my life. Thank you."
"Representative Matijevich."
"Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, as one who has served all those twenty years with Fred...Fred, I think if we reflect, some of our best friendships are with those that we often disagree with and even those who we often violently disagree with. And Fred and I especially on the commerce and labor issues, if you will, violently disagreed on the floor of the House. And I remember Zeke Giorgi really tearing into you a few times, Fred, and I wouldn't blame you if you got mad at some of the things Zeke said about you. And I guess, you and I 29 STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 134th Legislative Day November 30, 1988 tore into each other a few times, but believe me, there is a genuine friendship there and there's nothing wrong with us disagreeing because Fred always, when he violently disagreed, you knew that was his conscience and his conviction and you are a better Legislator when we know that it's your conscience and conviction. I never for one moment in all of the differences that we had, didn't believe that Fred was doing his utmost, his level best, not only for the people that he represented in his district, but of all of Illinois. And Fred, when you went through your setbacks with your health, we were all praying for you and asking about you, we were all with you and you look SO good and healthy now. God bless you. You have been a loyal, dedicated Member of this House and you have served the taxpayers well and I'll always remember you as a good friend."
"Before the House...the Chair recognizes the presence in our chamber of Secretary of State, Jim Edgar and Comptroller, Roland Burris, in the back of the chamber. The Gentleman from DuPage, Representative Hoffman."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, Representative Matijevich and myself arrived here at the same time. The advantage that I had over Representative Matijevich, is that Representative Tuerk and I shared an office suite together for a number of years and Martha Day was our steady right hand out in front and then I came over here with the Leadership and took her along with me and Fred was very kind and very considerate and didn't give me as hard a time as he might have on that move on her part. But it has been a pleasure and a privilege for me for these last twenty years to know and to work with Fred Tuerk, my good friend and he has been and will continue to be a loyal servant of the people even after he 30 STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 134th Legislative Day November 30, 1988 leaves this House, because I know when constituents of his or who have been constituents of his come to him, he will be as helpful as he always has been. So to you Fred and to Mary and to the rest of your family, we wish you all the very best and have considered it an honor and a privilege to serve with you and to know you for these last twenty years."
"The Gentleman... The Gentleman from Peoria, Representative Saltsman."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker, I too, along with the citizens from the greater Peoria area want to thank Representative Tuerk for the fine representation that he has given our municipality for the past twenty years. Ironic enough, I'm very fortunate to have many of the same friends that he has in our area and his children as well as mine, went to some of the same schools together and many of our friends have graduated from school together, politically, regardless of what party affiliation in the Peoria area, we have always gotten along very well. So my association with him the first time I ran for office, we had cumulative voting and we kind of locked arms a little bit at that time, until we went to single member districts and I had a lot of fun working with him in my first term which I was elected down here and he helped me a little bit, but maybe a lot more than I expected him to and the first time that I ran for office, but I'll miss Fred. The people back home, it's to there advantage to have him back with them full-time now and I just hope he don't give the Cardinals too much advice in spring training because he won't be down there for just a week this next year, he'll probably spend the whole training session with the St. Louis Cardinals and we don't want them to beat our Cubs too bad, so Fred, congratulations on your stay in the House. 31 134th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE November 30, 1988 And the people back home welcome you back and you'll be able to have some springs in Peoria now, instead of down here. Congratulations."
"The Gentleman from Lake, Representative Peterson." Peterson, W.: "Thank you, Madam Speaker, Members of the House. One of the nicest things about coming to this august Body, was having the privilege of sitting back here with Fred and Tom McMaster. As a freshman, it's always great to have that experience to draw on, to have those various intricacies of parliamentary procedure pointed out and also to give you some various hints to make sure your legislation gets passed. I appreciated that, Fred, and I thank you for all your support to help me to get off to a great start as a freshman Legislator. It wasn't that long ago. Now I'm running...I've already been elected to my fourth term, so time does go by very fast. But I thank you for all your help and I wish you and your family the best. Godspeed."
"The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Cook,
Speaker Madigan."
"Madam Speaker, there is a Resolution on the Clerk's table. Would the Clerk please read the Resolution."
"Mr. Clerk."
"House Joint Resolution 218, sponsored by Speaker Madigan." 'WHEREAS, This assembly recognizes the importance and self-sacrifice that accompanies a life dedicated to public service; and WHEREAS, More than 30 years ago, while still a young man growing up in Centralia, Illinois, Roland W. Burris set for himself the lofty goal of one day serving the people of Illinois 32 STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 134th Legislative Day as a statewide elected official; and November 30, 1988 WHEREAS, In 1978, his greatest dream was fulfilled when the people of this great State elected him to serve as Comptroller of Illinois and to serve as the fiscal conscience of State government; and WHEREAS, In winning election to that constitutional office, Roland W. Burris became the first person of African American heritage to win a statewide office, a tremendous tribute to the man as well as his constituency, that the citizens of Illinois have been able to overcome prejudices which had plagued our society for too many years; and WHEREAS, In 1982 and 1986, Roland W. Burris was re-elected by the people to continue to serve as their chief fiscal officer, becoming the first person to be elected to three consecutive terms as Comptroller; and WHEREAS, Comptroller Burris' work has been recognized nationally as being outstanding and contributing to the continued health and welfare of this State's fiscal condition; and WHEREAS, Roland W. Burris has also served his lovely wife, Dr. Berlean Burris, and their two devoted children with a fierce loyalty through these many years; and WHEREAS, On November 30, 1988, Mr. Burris' many friends will honor him for his first decade of elective service to the people of the great State of Illinois; therefore, be it RESOLVED, BY THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES OF THE EIGHTY-FIFTH GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF THE STATE OF ILLINOIS, THE SENATE CONCURRING HEREIN, that this august assembly join with his many friends and colleagues in paying tribute to the Honorable Roland Burris in his first 10 years of elective service and his outstanding career in 33- STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 134th Legislative Day government; and be it further November 30, 1988 RESOLVED, That a suitable copy of this preamble and resolution be prepared and delivered to Comptroller Burris to serve as a memento of this most deserved tribute and auspicious occasion.'
"Speaker Madigan. Speaker Madigan."
"Madam Speaker, I'd like to move for the adoption of the Resolution and in support of a Motion simply to reiterate what was said in the Resolution. All of us in this Body know Mr. Burris very well and we know of his accomplishments in public life and that I think I speak for all of us in saying that we're very, very happy and very, very proud that Roland Burris serves as a state official representing all of us. Right, Roland?"
"Speaker Madigan has moved the adoption of the Resolution. With leave of the House, we'll use the Attendance Roll Call for adoption of the Resolution. The Gentleman from DuPage, Representative McCracken."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker, I'd like to join in the Gentleman's Motion and sentiments. Comptroller Burris, it's a pleasure to be able to honor you here and on behalf of this side of the aisle, we want to join in to the congratulations and best wishes."
"Further comment, Representative Davis."
"Yes, I'd like to proudly be a part of that tribute to Roland Burris and his wife Dr. Burris. Seeing as I represent them in the General Assembly, I'm very proud to represent you, Roland Burris, and I think you've done a tremendously superior job as Comptroller. With that, we'd also like to invite the House to a tribute to Roland Burris at the Springfield Hilton in the Colosseum Room at 5:30 p.m., followed by a beautiful dinner at 6:30 p.m., to honor Roland Burris. Thank you." 34 STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE November 30, 1988 134th Legislative Day
"Thank you. The Resolution having been adopted, we'd like to have a few words from Comptroller Burris."
"Thank you very much, Madam Speaker, Members of this august Body, I'm very honored to have the opportunity to come before you this afternoon. I love public service. I love serving the people of the great State of Illinois. I'm a fourth generation Burris in this state, I love nothing better than being in public life. You honor me and make me feel good and my family proud to pass a Resolution for the first time in my life passed by this House of Representatives of the great State of Illinois. Speaker Madigan, Minority Leader Daniels and all the Members of this august Body, from the Burris household to your household, thank you so very much and may you all have a very happy and joyous holiday season. God bless each and everyone of you. Thank you very much."
"We have one further announcement. We've been joined for actually the last couple of days, by the first female, vice-chairperson of the State Democratic Party and State Central Committee Woman, Iola McGallen, she's in the center aisle. Thank you. Welcome. Representative McCracken."
"Thank you. I... I was... I had wanted to address myself to Representative Tuerk's being awarded this fine presentation from the City of Peoria and having come close to the end of his twenty years of service. When I started down here, Rep... former Representative Bill Walsh was a close friend of the family and was a mentor of mine and he told me to look up Fred Tuerk when I got down. That Fred Tuerk among all of the Membership was a man in which he held the hi... in the highest regard, absolute confidence in his judgement and in his integrity. And whatever Bill Walsh says is correct and he was not proven wrong in this 35 134th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE November 30, 1988 case, Fred. I've been very fortunate to serve with you and I appreciate the counsel and goodwill. God bless you."
"The House will be at ease temporarily. Representative Davis."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Before we do that I'd like for the House to meet Mrs. Florence Cox, former PTA President and also the Co-chair..."
"Representative Davis..."
"... of the Parent Advisory Councils..."
"Representative Davis..."
"... of Chicago, yes."
"Representative Davis, Ms. Cox is a lifelong friend. It is against our rules to do that."
"Oh, I'm sorry."
"Representative Younge."
"Right. Thank you, Madam Speaker. I would like very much that we would give a standing ovation and a salute to you, Madam Speaker, for your service here in this House. We congratulate you for being elected to the County Recorder of Deeds. We thank you for your brilliance, your use of your mind and your skills. We love you and we wish you Godspeed. Bravo. Bravo. Bravo."
"I'm SO pleased. Thank you very much, Representative Younge. Representative McCracken."
Thank you very much. McCracken: "Well, we were holding off, Madam Speaker, because we heard there was a Resolution in the works for you. But not to be outdone, let... let me add our congratulations on behalf of this side of the aisle. We're very pleased to see you go off to bigger and better things and. as one who almost never knowingly agreed with you on the merits, ma'am, may I say that I've enjoyed the back and forth we've had. Good luck." 36 STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 134th Legislative Day November 30, 1988
"Thank you very much. I've been instructed to call House Resolution 1934."
"House Resolution 1934, offered by Representatives LeFlore, Flowers, Shaw, Williams, Turner, Morrow, Rice, Jones, Jones, White, Younge, Young and Davis." WHEREAS, Since the beginning of her term of office following her initial election in November of 1978, Representative Carol Moseley Braun has served this House of Representatives with great distinction as a member of the 81st, 82nd, 83rd, 84th and 85th General Assemblies; and WHEREAS, During her tenure in this House of Representatives, Representative Braun has honored and graced this chamber with her creativity, her intelligence, her legal ability, her style and her skills of leadership and persuasion; and WHEREAS, In 1983 Representative Braun was elevated to Assistant Majority Leader in the Illinois House of Representatives, a position in which she has fulfilled with significant accomplishment; and WHEREAS, Representative Braun's leadership abilities were recognized by the late Mayor Harold Washington, who designated her as House spokesperson for the City of Chicago during his tenure as Mayor, a role she has continued to fill under Mayor Eugene Sawyer; and WHEREAS, Representative Braun has demonstrated particular leadership in efforts leading to the enactment of anti-apartheid legislation, school reform legislation, protection of "home rule" municipal powers and other substantive measures which have changed the face and form of Illinois Government; and WHEREAS, On November 8, 1988 Representative Braun was elected as Cook County Recorder; and 37 STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 134th Legislative Day November 30, 1988 WHEREAS, By virtue of her election, as a Democrat, as Cook County Recorder, Representative Braun will by operation of law become Cook County Recorder on December 1, 1988; and WHEREAS, To qualify for installation in the office of Cook County Recorder, Representative Braun will prior to said inauguration, resign from her legislative seat; and WHEREAS, Accordingly, on November 30, 1988, Representative Braun will serve the last scheduled day of her distinguished career in the General Assembly; and WHEREAS, This House of Representatives acknowledges that it and each of its members have been enriched and energized by her presence, educated and instructed by her insightful outlook and intellect, moved by her passion and compassion and brought to compromise by her sweet reason; therefore, be it RESOLVED, BY THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES OF THE EIGHTY-FIFTH GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF THE STATE OF ILLINOIS, that we acknowledge the many contributions of Representative Carol Moseley Braun to the legislative process and the improvement of the condition of Illinois Government over the last ten years and that this General Assembly, while regretting and mourning her future absence from this House of Representatives, congratulate her upon her election and wish her well as Cook County Recorder and in all her future endeavors; and be it further RESOLVED, That a suitable copy of this preamble and resolution be presented to Representative (Cook County Recorder-Elect) Carol
Moseley Braun. Speaker Braun: "This place is still full of surprises, huh? Representative... the Gentleman from Lake, Representative Matijevich." 38 STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 134th Legislative Day November 30, 1988
"Madam Speaker, earlier today Wyvetter came to my desk and said, John, would you say a few words in behalf of Carol Braun, because I've got a Resolution. And I said, Wyvetter, you don't know it but yesterday we passed that Resolution on the Agreed List, and I did say a few words in behalf of Carol. But I'm honored to say a few words. Carol, we all know that you are only on your... approaching your second tier. What is going to be a role in government in Illinois, a political and governmental role for many years to come. I know that you are not going to stop at Recorder of Deeds, that we in Illinois are going to see much more of Carol Braun because of what I have watched you do here in Springfield, that your future is a bright star. All of us here have had the pleasure and honor of working with you. That has been our honor. The greater honor is that in the future you are going to do so much more for the people of the State of Illinois. And we just appreciate having been a part of what you have done up to now. God bless you, good luck and many happy political returns in the future."
"Thank you very much, Representative Mati... bipartisan spirit, Representative Hallock, the Gentleman from Winnebago."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Did that Resolution say sweet reasoning?"
"It did."
"Yeah. Well, probably not my choice of words, but in any case I do want to commend you. As many may know here in this chamber, ten years ago you and I were freshman together back under cumulative voting. At that point in time we used to elect a lot more Members each year it seemed like. We had 32 freshman all together, sixteen on each side of the aisle. You and I have come a long way 39 134th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE November 30, 1988 since then, I believe. And obviously, it's pretty obvious to all here that a lot of our colleagues who were elected with us at that point in time alone no longer here with us. So on behalf of one of those who is still here, I want to congratulate you and wish you best of luck in the future. Congratulations."
"Thank you very much, John, very much. Representative Currie, the Lady from Cook."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker and Members of the House. When you came here ten years ago, Carol, you were a historic first, actually also, a historic last under the days of cumulative voting in multimember districts, your district was the first and only district to send to Springfield two women from the same political party. As we don't have that system anymore, that had to be a last. During your years here, you led the fight for the concerns, the interests of the people in your district, race and gender, equity, civil rights, civil liberties. It's a record that you should be proud of and that all the people in your district and all the people of the City of Chicago should be proud of. You leave here making another historic first, the first black and one of the first two women elected to Cook County Executive Office. I'm proud of you. We're all proud of you. I would move adoption of the Resolution and ask that the names of all the Members of the House be added."
"Thank you. Thank you very much, Barbara. The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Rice. Reverend Rice."
"Representative, when I first came here our relation was like the Burma Road on a simple Bill called Sickle Cell. Where as the years and the days passed, your relationship had became a positive asset in my life here in the General Assembly. And I sincerely... I sincerely want you to understand how I feel. And you know it. But most of all, 40 STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 134th Legislative Day November 30, 1988 Carol, with all the accomplishments that the newspapers know about you, I'm glad you can write your own check now."
"Representative Cullerton."
"Madam Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, Madam Speaker, ten years ago this coming January, you and I came here to be inaugurated and we found ourselves sitting next to one another. I remember introducing myself to you at that time, and in the back of my head I think I said to myself, I bet you I'm a county-wide office holder before she is. But I was wrong. And that's because you did really a fantastic job in this last campaign, in going throughout the county, in showing the people of Cook County what a fine person you were and what a talented Legislator you were and reminding them about how you used to work for Governor Thompson. I also want people to know that you also happen to have a fantastic son who we have been blessed to see down here in Springfield. Mathew, after he's out of school comes down and helps us out. And I think that's also something which I'm sure you're even more proud of, even in retain... obtaining this high office. So good luck in the next few years and I'm sure that if anybody has any problems with the Cook County Recorder of Deeds they can always come and see you."
"Thank you, Representative Cullerton. I am really overwhelmed by this. Representative Breslin, the Lady from Breslin: LaSalle." "Thank you, Madam Speaker. I rise to second the remarks that have already been made. But in particular, wish to reflect on the fact that when you came here as a freshman you, more than any got involved in some incredible conflicts. And from those conflicts, was able to develop consensus. You never backed away from a fight. You made some mistakes and we all learned from them. You have grown 41 STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 134th Legislative Day November 30, 1988 tremendously during this ten year period of time and you have helped us to grow as well. For that, I thank you and wish you the best of luck."
"Thank you, Peg. Representative Preston."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. I just wanted to add to the remarks that we already heard that you're ascendancy to the new high office that you've been elected to is... really comes as no surprise as a graduate of the University of Chicago, the University of Chicago Law School, as an Assistant United States Attorney, as a Member of the Illinois House of Representatives. In all of those capacities you have... rise far above your peers by your performance and the excellence of the job you have done in all areas of that endeavor. You not only campaigned magnificently for the Office of Recorder, but you campaigned for high office long before you decided to run for it by the works that you performed in the other jobs that you held and as one of your colleagues and as the rest of your colleagues, I certainly want to join those who are very proud to have had the opportunity to serve here in Springfield with you. You've made all of us look that much better."
"Thank you so much. Thank you. The Lady... the Ge... the Lady from Cook, Representative Flowers."
"Madam Speaker, I would like to take this opportunity to thank you so very much. I always considered you the big sister that I never had. And I want to thank you for all the advice that you gave me and most of all I want to thank you for going forth, paving the way to make the job easier for those who have to come behind you. Thanks a bunch, Carol."
"Thank you, Mary. Thank you. Representative Bowman." 42 STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 134th Legislative Day November 30, 1988
"Well, Madam Speaker, you make me feel kind of old today because ever before I would get up and say nice things about people who've been down here longer than I have. You came the term after me or after I was first elected and I have very fond memories of not only the early days, but... but all of those times in between and yes, in the... in the early days there was the larger House and we... we had some pretty raucous battles on the floor. And you know it's customary under these circumstances for Members to get up and say, well, we've had our differences, but that's all behind us and we fought but we respect each other. In our case I really can't recall having been on the other side. So I guess I won't make that speech. But I will say it's been a lot of fun being on the same side. Certainly enjoyed it. I'll miss you. But I take comfort in the fact that you won't be too far away. So, we'll... I hope our paths will cross again and until then, goodbye, good luck, God bless you."
"Thank you. Representative Hicks, the Gentleman from Jefferson."
"Thank you very much, Madam Speaker. You know, Carol, one night in my second year here in Springfield, we were in quite late about 2:00 in the morning and we had an issue that you were up fighting for. It had to do with providing funds for minority businesses and I got up and I spoke in behalf of that Bill and you looked at me with the most stunned look on your face. You couldn't believe a person from southern Illinois would be up and speaking for your Bill. And ever since that time we've had a great relationship. And I just want to wish you very good luck in your new job and I'll miss you. We've had some good times in Indianapolis and everywhere else and I will miss you." 43 134th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE November 30, 1988
"Thanks, Larry. Thank you very much. Oh my goodness, I'm honored. Representative Daniels." The Gentleman from DuPage,
"Well, Madam Speaker, I have served with you for many years now and developed a very high respect for you. I could tell you that we share in your pride in your accomplishments and your recent victory in Cook County and your future service in the position you've been elected to will carry on, I'm sure, in a tradition of excellence that you have developed in governmental service. And as you go forward in this... in your career, remember the colleagues of the House that will SO fondly be with you as you continue to excel in life and also as a governmental official. We send to you our best wishes. We will always be thinking of you and always please, remember us as your friends. Good luck to you and Godspeed."
"Thank you SO much, Lee, thank you very much. This is... this is terrific... I mean, there's a lot of lights going on here. Lights, yes, well... Representative Younge, I guess you started this, why don't we go back to you."
"Madam Speaker, I was wondering, we really appreciate your time, your energy, your talent, your good looks, but also your song. Would you give us one more song before you leave? Thank you."
"Nope, nope. Daley. Representative Daley."
Representati... Representative Daley: "I'm not on. Thank you, Madam Speaker. Carol, I would like to really thank you for the assistance you gave me when I first came down here a few years ago. I remember a lot of people said how could the Mayor Washington's floor leader help Richard J. Daley's son. But you did it and I am truly grateful for it. I respect you and appreciate 44 134th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE November 30, 1988 your assistance in a number of Bills. We might have disagreed on a may... maybe a few issues, but you are truly a good friend. I know you're going to have a great future in politics and I will assist you in whatever way I can. Thank you very much."
"Thank you, John, thank you very much. Representative... yeah, I just kind of revel in the glory in being able to hear all these testimonials and not be laid out in the process... bear with me because this is really overwhelming and there are a number of lights going on here. Representative Sutker."
"Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, as a. suburban Democratic committeeman who worked very hard for the election of Carol Moseley Braun as Recorder of Deed of Cook County, I take really special pride in all that she has done, not only here and not only in the City of Chicago, but in her willingness to be truly a county-wide candidate for the office she sought. Those of us who know her here, know that she's aggressive for the truth, she's compassionate for the downtrodden, but more than that she's a masterful politician. And I enjoyed when she came to Niles Township. And I enjoyed what she said and how she said it to the constituency of the suburbs. She will be going in a new direction. I concur with Representative John Matijevich when he said that this is only the beginning for Carol Moseley Braun. This is the first step toward a new career in a new direction and there is no office that this Lady isn't capable of handling and handling well. Carol, we'll be watching you. We know that the legacy you've left here will be a durable one. We are aware that your contribution in the future and the accomplishments yet ahead will give us all greater pride and we are honored by having been a part of your life and I 45 1 STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 134th Legislative Day November 30, 1988 know that you've always taken honor in being a part of this Membership. Thank you for being you."
"Thank you so much, Cal. Representative Berrios."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. I... I stand and I say thank you to you for the help that you gave me in the Legislature when I first came down here. I had the opportunity of campaigning with you throughout Cook County and I can say that through your efforts we... you know, the ticket was able to win and win soundly. But you worked real hard. You went out and campaigned throughout Cook County and I know that you're going to do a fine job for the people of Cook County. And we're all proud of you. Thank you."
"Representative McCracken. Representative Parke. Terry Parke."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Recently I had the opportunity to join in the summit on the Chicago school reform and at the mansion a group of us were together and I had the pleasure of listening to Representative Carol Moseley Braun articulate her position and her perspective on that issue. And as I sat there and listened to you, Carol, it became evident to me that you probably had the best handle on what you wanted to see happen, what your... what the people of Chicago wanted to see happen, and as I sat there and listened I said that... that voice will truly be missed down here. And as you know, you and I normally have not agreed on much. But I will tell you, you've been an articulate and thoughtful spokesman for your position. And I will tell you again, you will be missed. Good luck to you."
"Thank you SO much, Terry, thank you. Representative Lou Jones."
"Thank you. Carol, I would also like to take this opportunity to say thank you for the help that you gave... 46 STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 134th Legislative Day November 30, 1988 that you gave to me before I was elected, after I was elected and during my first term. You was a very inspirational person to me. Also I would like to extend the congratulations from our Second Ward Democratic Organization, Alderman and Committeeman, Bobby Rush and our organization was very proud of you. And they would like to say congratulations."
"Thank you so much. Representative Davis."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. I would like to say that it has certainly been an honor for me to serve in the 85th General Assembly with you. Under your Leadership as Harold Washington's floor leader, under your Leadership initially as the Black Caucus Chairperson. And I'm so proud that you're leaving the General Assembly on a high note. So often we stand here giving these Resolutions to someone who will never hear them. They will never return. So I'm very proud, I'm very pleased with the efforts that you have taken to serve this county. I'd also like to commend you, Carol, on the high integrity in which you always campaigned. You kept campaigning for State Legislators at a level that I think we should all attain and I plan to follow in your s... in your footsteps in keeping House of Representatives at a high level. Thank you so much, Carol."
"Thank you. Thanks SO much, Monique. Grace Mary... or sorry, the Lady from Lake, Grace Mary Stern. Representative Stern."
"Ah ha. You must feel like you're having 118 eulogies. I... I just want to say as one who went from county government to state government that you have a great treat ahead of you. The difference between administrative office and legislative office is that when you are an administrative officer as Recorder of Deeds, if you want to 47 STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 134th Legislative Day November 30, 1988 do something wonderfully creative and it's not against the law and you've got it in your budget, you can do it. You don't have to line up half of the Body of the House to agree with you. You're going to have a wonderful time. Cook County is very lucky indeed. And I'll miss seeing you down here every spring. Take care of yourself."
"Thank you, Grace Mary, thank you SO much. Representative Levin."
"Madam Speaker, it has been a true delight to have served and worked with you over the years. And I'm very proud that, the people who have worked out of my office were able to work SO hard for your election in November. You did extraordinarily well in our area. But what I think is most important about you is that in a city that has been SO divided and SO torn asunder by race and other divisions, that you have been one person who has understood and been able to work with all of different races and factions and groupings in the City of Chicago. I think that that sets a precedent that everybody ought to... ought to follow. It is what has been tearing us down in the City of Chicago. Congratulations."
"Thank you so much. Thank you, Representative. Representative Williams."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Ι... As you know, I've known you for awhile, both as a Legislator, as a lobbyist, I like to think, as a friend. It's been a rough two years as you know. And my first two years have been up and down, in and out. Had our moments, public, private, otherwise, I want to commend you for the support, for the strength. And really I want to say in these last waning days, I think that your influence has been essential to us holding our Caucus together. I think that the wisdom that you've shown at times have been extremely beneficial to us and I think 48 STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 134th Legislative Day November 30, 1988 as we light upon a new path that courage that you've shown us will reflect well in what we do in the future. And we hope to stand as a... our own living commemoration of the work that you've done. Congratulations on your new office. Please feel free to call upon me at any time. You know we all love you."
"Thank you."
"Carol, go on, do great things."
"Thank you so much, Paul. I'm going to take this opportunity to make a speech from the podium. And first off to say thanks to all of you. This is no doubt the finest legislative, the finest Body, in which an individual can ever have the privilege of serving. I can think back to the early days, starting out, Penny Pullen, we had our agreements, our disagreements, our fights; but we always worked with... we worked together. People in this Body respect each other and that is a fundamental difference between this Body, I think and perhaps some others. And it distinguishes this Body. I... Upon my election at first I thought, well, I'm just going to be glad to be back home and in Cook County. It's been ten years in the Legislature and that's been enough time there. And I was looking forward to going home and then today, standing here, presiding over the Body, I looked out over the faces and antidote... little remembrances started to come back about each and every person here. And I have to confess, it really was heart-rending for me because I began to get sad that I was leaving. And I didn't think that I had that in me. I thought I was going to look forward to leaving this place, but I wasn't. I looked out at the people here and realized that I was really leaving a hundred friends. Leaving my friends from all over the state and all the different shapes and sizes and permutations and ideologies 49 134th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE November 30, 1988 and views. The bottom line is that we have respected and loved each other over these years and that's really the most important human value that comes out of this experience. I want to say also that... I want to thank those of you who helped in the election and but to tell everyone here that I hope to see as many of you as can make it at my inaugural ceremonies on the 9th. We'll have them in the City of Chicago and you will all get invitations. I'd like to see you. And even beyond that there will always be an open door for each and everyone of you in the Recorder's Office in Cook County. But I want to take this opportunity to give special thanks to the lady in red that's standing here on the end of the podium, Billy Page, one of my closest friends, dearest friends; and who served as my campaign manager. She's the one that is still around, thank God. We lost Al Raby. But Billy worked so hard and has given of herself so much to do this, to manage the campaign, to do the nuts and bolts, to put it together. She literally has given a year of her life to the... to my career and I will be eternally in her debt. But to all of you, I'll be back. I'm getting a picture. So I'll make sure I'll be able to look at you and remember this is the way it was. To remember all the staff, all the people who worked so hard over the years. And to say to you all that we'll never be far away from each other. We'll always be a telephone call away, a visit away and I'll always have you in my heart. Thank you all SO very much for this wonderful, wonderful tribute. Thank you."
"... Clerk just points out that all I need now is sixty votes to get this Resolution adopted. All in... the question is... Roll Call on the Resolution, House Resolution 1934. Yes, Mat... Representative Matijevich."
"Madam Speaker, Cal Sutker and I would like to add a 50 STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 134th Legislative Day November 30, 1988 final note to this testimonial. You have never left a stone unturned except one, Bernie Stone. We thought... we thought we'd add that to the record. But we'd like to add every name to... we'd like to add every name to this Resolution, Madam Speaker."
"Thank you. The Gentleman from Lake moves the adoption of House Resolution 1934 and... leave to add all Members of the House as Cosponsors of the Resolution, leave to use the Attendance Res... the Attendance Roll Call on adoption of the Resolution? Leave is granted. Thank you all very much. Thank you."
"Representative Breslin in the Chair. Supplemental #1 under the Order of Motions appears Senate Bill 1214. Mr. Clerk, can you tell us whether the Amendment has been printed and distributed on that Bill? Senate Bill 1214. It's on Supplemental #1. The Clerk indicates that it has been printed and distributed, so, Representative Dunn, you are recognized for your Motion."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. I move to take Senate Bill 1214 from the Table and discharge House Judiciary I Committee of which I am Chairman, and advance, which is probably a wise decision on my part, and advance this Bill to the Order of Second Reading, Second Day and suspend all appropriate real... rules to do so and ask leave of the House. This matter has been discussed with Leadership on both sides of the aisle and I don't think there's any opposition."
"The Gentleman has moved to take Senate Bill 1214 from the Table, discharge Judiciary I, Interim Study Calendar and advance the Bill to Second Reading, Second Legislative Day, suspending all appropriate rules. On that Motion, is there any discussion? Hearing no discussion, does the Gentleman have unanimous leave for his Motion? Is there any objection? Hearing no objection, unanimous leave 51 STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 134th Legislative Day November 30, 1988 is given. Representative Dunn, the Bill is on Second Reading. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk, on Second."
"House (sic Senate) Bill 1214, a Bill for an Act to amend the Business Corporation Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."
"Any Floor Amendments?"
"Floor... Correction. Floor... Committee Amendments #1 and 2 were adopted in Committee."
"Madam Speaker... Madam Speaker, on Senate Bill 1214, Amendments 1 and 2 were adopted in Committee and we have an Amendment which we propose to adopt here, which is through scribbler's error numbered... Amendment #2. I would ask leave of the Body to amend the Amendment on its face and just change the number of it to Amendment #3. Ask leave of the House to do that."
"Are there any Motions on 1 and 2, Mr. Clerk?"
"No Motions filed."
"There are no Motions filed on Amendments 1 and 2, we'll therefore go to Amendment #3. And you've heard Representative Dunn's Motion. It is to amend the Amendment on its face to reflect its appropriate order and that is Amendment #3. Does he have leave? Hearing no objection, he has leave. What is the... give us the LRB number for Amendment 3."
"..."
"Okay."
"We..."
"LR..."
"We are amending the Amendment which has the LRB number, ras85SB1214jwal49pf."
"Thank you. You have leave now to present Amendment #3."
"For the information of the Body the... the text of this 52 STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 134th Legislative Day November 30, 1988 legislation was... legislation which affected corporate director's liability. But if you look at Amendment #2 it deletes everything after the enacting clause and so all those provisions will be removed from the Bill by this Amendment. The Amendment is a technical Amendment and in all candor this Bill will be placed in Conference Committee for the purpose of inserting in it anti-takeover legislation, which is been cleared on both sides of the aisle as soon as we can get in the proper posture to do so. So, I would ask for adoption of Amendment #2."
"The Gentleman... Amendment #2 or Amendment #3?"
"Amendment #3. Pardon me."
"The Gentleman has moved the adoption of Amendment #3 to Senate Bill 1214, and on that question, is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Sangamon, Representative Curran. The Gentleman indicates he doesn't wish to speak but he's got a good helper at his desk. Is there any discussion? Hearing none, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #3 be adopted?' All those in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it and the Amendment is adopted. Any further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. Supplemental #1 under the Order of Motions appears Senate Bill 898. Representative Steczo is a hyphenated Sponsor of that Motion. I'll therefore recognize Representative Steczo to present the Motion."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. I move to suspend Rule 79(d) and (e) and place Senate Bill 898 on the Order of Conference Committee Reports. For the edification of the Members, this Conference Committee will be... is being created and will provide legislation and provide language. It'll change the school board vacancy problem from 15 back 53 STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 134th Legislative Day November 30, 1988 to 30 days. I cleared that two weeks ago with the Republican side of the aisle and I think there's no problem with it and would move for the adoption of the Motion."
"The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of the Motion on Senate Bill 898. On that question, the Gentleman from DuPage, Representative McCracken."
"This is the replacement of the school board vacancy Bill, is that right? Alright. Have we made the Motion to take from the Table?"
"That's it right now, Representative."
"Alright, I'm sorry. Okay. I thought it was on the merits, yes I'm in favor of this Motion and on the merits."
"The Motion to take from the Table prevailed previously, Representative Steczo. This Motion is only to proceed to move the Bill to place it on the Order of Conference Committee Reports and suspending appropriate rules. On that question, is there any further discussion? Hearing none, does the Gentleman have unanimous leave to put this Bill on the Order of Conference Committee Reports? Hearing no objection, the Gentleman has leave and the Attendance Roll Call will be used. Now, Ladies and Gentlemen, we are going to go to Supplemental Calendar #2 under Concurrences. Representative DeLeo. Okay. House Bill 2533 appears on this Calendar under the Order of Concurrences. Representative DeLeo."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. At this time I move to concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2533. What Senate Amendment #1 would be... would be... What would become the Bill would be the Senate Amendment, which would become the revolving credit crum... credit card plan legislation. Currently, federal law allows states to export their credit plans to other states, even when the plans do not comply with the provisions of the other state laws regarding 54 134th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE November 30, 1988 interest. Since most revolving credit... market in Illinois is issued by financial institution and states with liberal credit laws. Illinois provides little... real protection to Illinois credit consumers. Instead such laws have invited out of state banks to invade the Illinois market, encourage Illinois financial institutions to move their revolving credit card operations out of state. Large numbers of Illinois jobs have been lost or foregone. Current Illinois law has made an uncompetitive and revolving credit. Because of federal exemption, Illinois laws do not prevent out of state financial institutions from marketing their variable rate revolving credit plans in Illinois. The result is that most credit card plans, 85 percent of credit cards are issued out of state. Most major users of revolving credit have moved their revolving credit operations out of state. With this proposed legislation, Illinois would have 2,000 more jobs. Illinois's explorting jobs to other states with more liberal credit cards. Amending the law would create immediately four to six hundred new financial jobs in Illinois and also it would bring upwards of 1,500 jobs back to Illinois. The proposed legislation would protect borrowers from major increases due to interest rates from outstanding debt by requiring in this legislation 30 days notice on increase and freezing the old rate if the borrower does not continue to use the account. This proposed legislation will authorize the use of varial... variable rates provided that the lender must give 30 days notice on an interest rate increase. The higher rate would apply only to the old debt if the borrower continued to use the credit card. In conclusion, the proposed legislation would have two significant effects. Illinois financial institutions would be able to compete with out of state 55 STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 134th Legislative Day institutions. Illinois credit card November 30, 1988 consumers would have more meaningful protection than any other states with major credit revolving centers. I ask for an affirmative Roll Call."
"The Gentleman has moved to concur in Senate Amendment #1 on House Bill 2533. On that question, the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Levin."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. It's about time we put our foot down and stood up for the consumers. First we took the cap off of interest rates. Back in '81 we said, well, this is a temporary situation. You know, interest rates have come down, we don't need a cap. Then when we try to put some legislation out to reestablish some kinds of caps, to restrain interest rates, we were defeated. Then we tried to at least say, let's have some disclosure so that consumers can know what they're being charged and can shop around. And that got gutted. Now we're being asked to eliminate what few protections the consumers have in the area of credit cards. There's no emergency here. There's no reason for us to move on this Amendment at this point. We haven't had a single hearing. We haven't heard from the consumers. We haven't heard from the banking community in terms of why they need this legislation. We're constantly hearing we're going to get more jobs if we liberalize our consumer laws. Well, I don't think we've gotten a single new job by taking the rights away from consumers. It's time we stood up for a change for the Illinois consumer and leave them at least with the basic protections that are in the law now. When you go and you enter... you make a purchase on a credit card you at least know what the interest rate is. This would change that. This would allow for interest rates, after you make your purchase, to go up. Let's put our foot 56 134th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE November 30, 1988 down for once and stand up for the consumer. I urge a 'no' vote on concurrence."
"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Bowman."
"Will the Sponsor yield for a question?"
"He will."
"Representative DeLeo, who wants the Bill?"
"Well, currently proponents of the Bill are Illinois Bankers Association, the community bankers, labor, the Illinois League of Credit Savings institutions, the Illinois Credit Union League and banks in Chicago."
"Okay, those are all trade associations. Is there any specific organization that has indicated that they need this legislation in order to open a credit card operation in Illinois or to repatriate an operation that was sent out of state?"
"Yes, Amalgamated Trust and Savings Bank, Chicago, Illinois."
"Okay. And that's the only one, though? Okay. Well, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I think we ought to take a close look at this. There's one bank in the State of Illinois that is seeking this legislation and while we often do things because of a particular unique situation, I think that this does need to go through committee hearings. Let me advise you of two things in this legislation that certainly need further scrutiny. Now you may be in favor of letting interest rates float with market conditions and there's a substantial body of economic theory that would support that. However, what this will do is to make the higher interest rates retroactive on the outstanding balances after the rate goes up. So even though... when you originally contracted for the credit you thought you were contracting at a particular rate and now the rates are 57 134th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE November 30, 1988 going up. Those new rates don't apply just to the new purchases, they apply to the old purchases as well. Second thing is that there's protection in the law right now for home owners. If your credit balances go above a certain limit, then yes, your home would be subject to lien. However, this Bill would remove that protection. This Bill means that if you have a one dollar credit balance, they can come after your home and put a lien on your home. There are some dangerous precedents. There are some booby traps, some hidden problems with this legislation. So even if you favor the principle, I urge you to take another look at... a serious look at this particular piece of legislation and defer it until next spring by voting 'no' at this time."
"The Gentleman from Effingham, Representative Hartke."
"Will the Sponsor yield?"
"He will."
"Representative DeLeo, you mentioned that the consumer would be notified. How are they notified of the change in the interest rate?"
"By written notice."
"By written notice..."
"By written notice, 30 days prior to the change in the rate."
"Thirty days prior to the change. What you're telling me is that they will send a separate notification with a separate letter that the interest rates are going up. Is that correct?"
"I don't know that. I think..."
"It wouldn't be hidden somewhere in the billing of the previous month that says, unless you notify us within 20 days of any new purchases and so forth, that the interest 58 134th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE November 30, 1988 rates are going to go up. If you fail to do so in any charge, the bill... or will be automatic consent to raise your interest rates by x numbers of percentage."
"It says in the Senate Amendment #1 that there will be a 30 day notice for any change in the... in the previous interest rate."
"Does it have to be in large, bold print that stands out and jumps at you, notice? I think not, Representative, and what I'm getting at is that I think that many consumers are going to be fooled by... by this piece of legislation thinking that it could... could be a good piece of legislation for consumers when in fact, it's not. It'll allow those interest rates to go up with very little objection for most consumers and they will find themselves caught in a trap, paying higher interest rates than are necessary."
"Representative Hartke... Representative Hartke, if you look at the Amendment, Senate Amendment #1 on page six, it reads, on the... line 35, 'the financial institution shall mail or deliver to the borrower at least 30 days before the effective date a clear and conspicuous written notice'. This is the only type of legislation in the United States that has that kind of consumer protection, which they are not currently getting in Illinois because of states like Delaware; they're protected. This piece is a nationwide example what should be. Illinois will be the only one with a consumer protection clause."
"I think not, Representative. Thank you. And I would urge my colleagues to defeat this piece of legislation."
"The Gentleman from Perry, Representative Goforth."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. I stand in support of this Bill, people. Basically, when you get rid of all the mumbo 59 STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 134th Legislative Day November 30, 1988 jumbo, all this Bill is a... reciprocity Bill. It allows the State of Illinois to do exactly what all the rest of the states around us doing. It gives us a fair play. Like they've got all the jobs now, they're making all the money. This gives the State of Illinois the same thing. I urge all of you support."
"The Gentleman from McHenry, Representative Klemm: Klemm." to be "Well, thank you, Madam Speaker. I stand in support of the Bill. I really think this tends to be a consumer Bill in that it at least allows some place our firms competitive with those that are outside this state. know, we don't like to set caps on anything on the credit because of course, it stifles the free marketplace. You But I think here's an opportunity where we can speak out to allow the free marketplace to answer on the interest rates. And I therefore support the Bill."
"Any further discussion? The Gentleman from St. Clair, Representative Flinn."
"Well, if there's nobody else to speak, I'll withhold my motion."
"Okay, thank you, Mr. Flinn. Representative DeLeo is recognized to close."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Just to clarify one thing. When... I was asked a question about support of it, labors position was neutral, not in support of. But in closing, this legislation will put Illinois on par with several states and most notably, Delaware and South Dakota. They're quite unrestrictive in their credit card laws. While Illinois does not have an interest credit card law, rate ceilings, restrictions against adjustable rates and costs do not exist. Without this restriction and the fact that the U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that interest rates 60 STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 134th Legislative Day November 30, 1988 can be exported, without regard for the states usury laws, these other states have become major credit card issuing centers. This proposal does not permit a lender to include the cost of interest with various fees, with delinquency, late payments. This action differs from current law, which does not permit such charges to be calculated in interest payment. And I ask for support and I ask for an Affirmative Roll Call in House Bill 2533."
"The question is, 'Shall the House concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2533?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Representative McCracken, one minute to explain your vote."
"Yes, thank you. This Bill, if I'm correct, requires seventy-one votes for passage..."
"That's correct."
"And I would like to encourage people to put that... to make sure we get that up. You know, the point of this legislation is not to gouge anybody. The point of this legislation is not to drive business out of Illinois. Representative DeLeo is correct. And an area as remote as North Dakota can become a banking center because its laws allow the existence of these companies within its borders. Interstate commerce clause prohibits us from regulating those out of state companies. No one's forcing the consumer to use these cards. No one is forcing the consumer to sign the application for credit. We have a very competitive market in credit cards. This is strictly pro-business and pro-jobs for Illinois. It's an excellent piece of legislation. And to oversimplify the issue and claim that it's a consumer versus business issue, is just silly. It's an oversimplification. We're talking about jobs. We're talking about productivity, economic 61 STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 134th Legislative Day November 30, 1988 attractiveness for a state that needs it. Please vote 'aye'."
"Representative Bowman, for what reason do you rise?"
"To request a verification."
"Okay. There is... seventy-one votes are required. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 77 voting 'aye', 31 voting 'no' and 5 voting 'present'. Representative Bowman has requested a Verification of the Affirmative. Poll the Affirmative, Mr. Clerk."
"Poll of the Affirmative. Ackerman. Barger. Barnes. Berrios. Brunsvold. Bugielski. Capparelli. Christensen. Churchill. Countryman. Cowlishaw. Cullerton. Daley. Daniels. DeJaegher. DeLeo. Didrickson. Doederlein. Ewing. Farley. Flinn. Virginia Frederick. Giglio. Goforth. Hallock. Harris. Hasara. Hensel. Hicks. Hoffman. Hultgren. Johnson. Shirley Jones. Keane. Klemm. Krska. Kubik. Kulas. Laurino. Leverenz. Martinez. Mautino. Mays. McAuliffe. McCracken. McNamara. McPike. O'Connell. Robert Olson. Panayotovich. Parcells. Parke. Bernie Pedersen. William Peterson. Petka. Piel. Pullen. Rea. Regan. Richmond. Ronan. Ropp. Ryder. Slater. Stange. Steczo. Stevens. Tate. Terzich. Tuerk. Van Duyne. Wait. Weaver. Wennlund. White. Williamson and Wojcik. No further."
"Do you have any questions of the Affirmative, Mr. Bowman?"
"Yes, Madam Speaker. Representative Christensen?"
"Representative Christensen? Ray Christensen? Is the Gentleman in the chamber? He is not, remove him from the Roll Call." 62 134th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE November 30, 1988
"Representative White?"
"Representative White? Jesse White? Is the Gentleman in the chamber? He is not, remove him from the Roll Call."
"Representative Van Duyne?"
"Representative Van Duyne? Leroy Van Duyne? Is the Gentleman in the chamber? He is not, remove him from the Roll Call. Representative Saltsman, for what reason do you rise?"
"Could I be recorded as 'yes' please."
"Record Representative Saltsman as voting 'aye', Mr. Clerk. Mr. Bowman."
"I'm sorry. Did we establish the presence of Representative Shaw?"
"Representative Shaw? Bill Shaw? He's voting 'no'."
"I beg your pardon. Sure. Representative Keane?"
"Representative Keane is in the chamber."
"Representative Johnson?"
"Representative Johnson? Tim Johnson? Is the Gentleman in the chamber? He is not, remove him from the Roll Call."
"Representative Shirley Jones?"
"Representative Shirley Jones? Shirley Jones? Is the Lady in the chamber? She is not, remove her from the Roll Call."
"Okay."
"Representative Wolf, for what reason do you seek recognition?"
"Madam Speaker, how am I recorded?"
"You're recorded as not voting."
"Please record me as voting 'aye'."
"Record Representative Wolf as voting 'aye'." 63 STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 134th Legislative Day
"No further questions." November 30, 1988
"The Gentleman has no further questions. On this Roll Call there are 74 voting... Representative Curran votes 'aye'. Mr. Clerk, okay, there are 75 voting 'aye', 31 voting 'no', 5 voting 'present' and the House does concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 2533. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Going to the Regular Calendar, Ladies and Gentlemen, on page 3 under the Order of Nonconcurrence appears Senate Bill 959, Representative Capparelli has a Motion on Nonconcurrence. Proceed, Representative."
"Thank you, Mr... Madam Speaker. I refuse to recede from Amendment #9 and ask for a Conference Committee."
"The Gentleman has moved to refuse to recede from House Amendment #9 to Senate Bill 959. On that question, is there any discussion? Hearing none, the question is, 'Shall the House refuse to recede from Senate... House Amendment #9 to Senate Bill 959?' All those in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. The House refuses to recede from House Amendment #9 to Senate Bill 959 and a Conference Committee will be appointed. Going back to Supplemental Calendar #2 under the Order of Senate Bills, Second Reading appears Senate Bill 2123, Representative Countryman's Bill. Read the Bill on Second, Mr. Clerk."
"Senate Bill 2123, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act in relationship to the sale of securities and the prevention of fraud. Second Reading of the Bill. There are no Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"There are none."
"Third Reading. On the same Calendar under the 64 STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 134th Legislative Day November 30, 1988 Order of Reduction Veto Motions appears Senate Bill 1759, Representative Hannig on Motion #1."
"Madam Speaker, I would like to withdraw that first Motion."
"Motion #1 is withdrawn. Motion #2, Representative Hannig."
"Yes, thank you, Madam Speaker and Members of the House. This Motion that already has been obviously accepted in the Senate would provide that 50,000 dollars in grant money for non-profit organizations to help Vietnam veterans in the out... outreach program, would be restored. We are certainly becoming aware of the problems that many of the Vietnam veterans face in our society today. And this... this agency which we have created to help all veterans, and it particularly has made an effort to help the Vietnam veteran, quite frankly finds that they simply don't have the money or the personnel to do as good a job as we would really like them to do. By restoring this 50,000 dollars, I believe that we make a small step and a small contribution in seeing that Vietnam veterans do get a better shake in Illinois. It's not a great deal of money but I think if anything the idea of the Legislature would support the Vietnam veterans on this issue, is very important and I'd ask for your 'yes' vote."
"You have heard the Gentleman's Motion. On the Motion, is there any discussion? Any discussion? The question is, 'Shall the House rec... override the Governor's Reduction Veto on page 2, line 15 of Senate Bill 1759?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Seventy-one votes... seventy-one votes are required. Ladies and Gentlemen, this... the Chair stands corrected, sixty votes are all that are required to restore this item. Have all voted who 65 STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 134th Legislative Day wish? The Clerk will take the record. November 30, 1988 On this question there are 114 voting 'aye', none voting 'no' and 1 voting 'present'. The House does restore the item reduced in Senate Bill 1759 appearing on page 2, line 15. On this same Senate Bill 1759, Representative Hannig has Motion #3. Representative Hannig."
"Yes, thank you, Madam Speaker, Members of the House. This Motion asks that we restore 638,500 dollars to the Department of Veterans Affairs to reopen 14 offices that were closed in the fall of 1987. Since that time when these offices have closed, particularly in the rural areas, we found that... that in many cases senior citizens or disabled veterans are having to drive as much as an hour or an hour and a half in our rural roads in order to get to a Veteran's Affairs Office to serve them. Many of us have tried to help them in our legislative offices and had some success. But quite frankly, I believe that the Office of Veteran's Affairs and the offices that were in these communities, could much better serve the constituents that have these problems very specific to Veteran's Affairs and veteran's problems. So with this Motion, which the Senate has also acted ahead of us and passed, I would ask for your 'yes' votes so that we could restore this money and reopen these offices. Thank you."
"You have heard the Gentleman's Motion, on that question, the Gentleman from Warren, Representative Hultgren."
"Yes, will the Sponsor yield?"
"He will."
"Do you have a list of the offices and would you be Hannig: willing to read through the list of the offices that would be restored if your Motion is successful?" "Based on the information I have here, there are about, I 66 134th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE November 30, 1988 believe, 14 offices which include; Benton, Carlyle, Carmi, Chester, Lincoln, Mammoth, Morris, Olney, Paris, Pekin and Watseka. And I believe that those are the correct offices."
"Thank you."
"Any further discussion? Hearing none, the question is, 'Shall the House restore the item vetoed on page 3, line 1 and page 3, line 3; page 3, line 5 and line 6 and line 7, line 8, line 11 and line 12?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Sixty votes are required. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 113 voting 'aye', none voting 'no' and none voting 'present' and the House does restore the items reduced as previously read to Senate Bill 1759 for Motion #3. Under the Order of Motions on Supplemental Calendar #2 appears House Bill 1516, Representative Countryman."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I move to take from the Table and suspend Rule 79(d) and 79(e) and place on the Order of Conference Committee Reports, House Bill 1516."
"You have heard the Gentleman's Motion, is there any discussion? Hearing no discussion, the question is, 'Shall the House take House Bill 1516 from the Table, suspend the appropriate rules and place this Bill on the Order of Conference Committee Reports?' All those in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it by use of the Attendance Roll Call, since no objections have been noted, this Bill will be put on the Order of Conference Committee Reports. Ladies and Gentlemen, we have learned that we acted in error on the previous Motion, so Representative... the error is that the 67 STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 134th Legislative Day November 30, 1988 number printed on our Calendar was the incorrect number so we took action on the wrong Bill. So in order to rectify that, Representative Countryman is going to make the appropriate Motion so that we can take the appropriate action. Representative Countryman."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. I move that we Table House Bill 1516, which is the Bill just a few minutes ago..."
"That you took from the Table."
"I... took off the Table. So I move to place it back on the Table."
"Okay. The Gentleman moves to Table House Bill 1516. All those in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. The hearing no objection, the use of the Attendance Roll Call, House Bill 1516 is Tabled. Now, Ladies and Gentlemen, in order to get to the correct numbered Bill, Representative Countryman is recognized."
"Thank you, Madam Chairman. I ask leave of the Body to correct on its face, Supplemental Calendar #2, which should have read and was intended to read, House Bill 1576 as opposed to where it reads House Bill 1516. I ask leave of the Body then to correct the Calendar and then have that Motion, the same Motion called on that Bill."
"Okay. In addition to which the Gentleman ask leave to suspend Rule 74(b) the Calendar requirement as it pertains to House Bill 1576. Does he have leave? Is there any objection? Hearing none, by use of the Attendance Roll Call, the Gentleman has leave. So House Bill 1576 is before us. House Bil1 1576, a Motion will be placed by Representative Countryman. Representative Countryman."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. I now move to take from the Table and suspend Rule 79(d) and 79(e) and place on the 68 STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 134th Legislative Day November 30, 1988 Order of Conference Committee Reports, House Bill 1576."
"You have heard the Gentleman's Motion, is there any objection? Hearing none, the question is, 'Shall the House take House Bill 1576 from the Table, suspend the appropriate rules and place it on the Order of Conference Committee Reports?' All those in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. Hearing no objection, by use of the Attendance Roll Call, the Motion carries. Senate Bill 711, Representative Cullerton."
"Madam Speaker, this is... and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, this a, again, a Motion to take from the Table. This is a Pension Vehicle Bill. I believe it's agreed to on both sides. Make it available if for some reason the Pension Bill is not passed in the Senate. So I move to discharge Personnel and Pension Committee and advance it to the Order of Second Reading, Second Legislative Day and to suspend Rule 37(g)."
"You have heard the Gentleman's Motion. On that question, is there any discussion? Hearing no discussion, the question is, 'Shall the House take Senate Bill 711 from the Table, discharge the Personnel and Pension's Committee and advance the Bill to the Order of Second Reading, Second Legislative Day and suspend Rule 37(g)?' All those in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, by use of the Attendance Roll Call, the Motion carries. Senate Bill 1014, Representative Dunn. John Dunn. Out of the record. On Supplemental Calendar #1 appears Senate Joint Resolution 177, Representative Wyvetter Younge."
"Thank you very much, Madam Speaker. I move to discharge the Executive Committee from further consideration and advance to the Speaker's Table for immediate consideration, 69 134th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE November 30, 1988 Senate Joint Resolution 177. This is a Resolution encouraging the Corps of Engineers to not reappropriate or spend differ... twenty-three million dollars, which is available for floodgate repair in the Metro-East area."
"You have heard the Lady's Motion. On the Motion, is there any discussion? Hearing none, the question is, 'Shall the House discharge Senate Joint Resolution 177 from further consideration and advance it to the Speaker's Table for immediate consideration?' Does the Lady have leave? Hearing no objection, by use of the Attendance Roll Call, the Lady has leave. Representative Younge on Senate Joint Resolution 177."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. This Resolution would encourage the Corps of Engineers to not divert twenty-three million dollars needed to... to repair the floodgates in the Metro-East area. The election... the local referendum... election was held. The proposition lost by a very small margin. It will be held again on the 4th of April, 1989. The effort here is to express a point of view by the General Assembly that these funds should be used repair the floodgates of the Metro-East area." to
"On the question, the Gentleman from St. Clair, Representative Flinn."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. I... I rise in support of the Lady's Motion to pass House Joint... Resolution 177. What happened was, we put general election. Senate Joint this on the It barely lost by only... slightly over a thousand votes. And the Corps of Engineers said they will hold the money back and not spend it somewhere else to give us an opportunity to get it on the spring election. The Lady is absolutely right. This... We are in dire need of this money and we need another opportunity for the voters. And I stand in support of the Resolution." 70 STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 134th Legislative Day
Ropp." November 30, 1988 "The Gentleman from McLean, Representative
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Would the Sponsor yield?"
"She indicates she will."
"Representative, can you more clearly explain to me, does the community in which this is involved have to approve it prior to getting release of the funds from the Corps of Engineers? If the problem... I guess my concern is, if there is a major need for flood prevention, why are you wanting to delay this because maybe this spring we might just flood out all those people that are potential voters anyway?"
"The twenty-three million dollars is a 75 percent share for the repair of the floodgates. What is needed is a local share of one-fourth, some five million dollars. has to be voted by referendum. The issue here is to encourage the Corps of Engineers not ask Congress to spend the money in a different manner until we can have the referendum." That to to
"Okay, SO you just want to hold the money so that they don't get rid of it until you can convince your voters come up with your matching portion, is that correct?"
"TO encourage them not to spend it differently, but to wait so that it won't expire on the 31st of December. But to wait until we can have the matter approved by referendum on the 4th of April."
"Why is it that the people are not wanting to provide this money that would give them flood protection?"
"It was probably the inexperience of those of us who favored the proposition. The proposition lost by very thin margin and we feel confident we will be successful on the 4th of April."
"Well, it would seem to me like the people ought to support 71 134th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE November 30, 1988 this if... knowing the flood damage that occurs in certain times of the year. I would just hope that they wouldn't defer this too much longer so that the Corps of Engineers can get in and solve the problem. Thank you."
"The Gentleman from Madison, Representative Stephens."
"Just to add my support to the Lady's Motion. And to urge Members of this side of the aisle that this is the right and proper thing to do. I think that this is a chance for the people of the district to help themselves and all that we're asking is that the Corps not spend those funds in other areas. Thank you."
"The question is, 'Shall Senate Joint Resolution 177 be adopted?' All those in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it and the Resolution is adopted. Ladies and Gentlemen, on Supplemental #2 under the Order of Motions appears Senate Bill 711. We have already taken action on that Motion, however, the Bill was put on the Order of Second Reading, Second Legislative Day and we did not read the Bill a Second time. So at this time, Mr. Clerk, read the Bill a Second time."
"Senate Bill 711, a Bill for an Act to amend the Personnel and Pension Code. Second Reading of the Bill. There are no Committee Amendments."
"Are there any Floor Amendments?"
"There are none."
"Third Reading. On Supplemental Calendar #1 under the Order of Motions, Representative Keane, appears Senate Bill 1080, do you wish to call that? No, out of the record. Representative Bugielski, for what reason do you seek recognition? Representative Bugielski, we are at ease waiting for action in the Senate on some Bills. If the 72 134th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE November 30, 1988 action takes Senate... the sends... in Senate sends Bills to us, then we will have to take action. So, we are waiting for that reason. At ease. Representative Matijevich, for what reason do you rise?"
"Madam Speaker, I would like leave of the House in use of the Attendance Roll Call to suspend the rule whereby a committee meets at the same time the House is in Session and also suspend the posting notice for the purpose of exempting House Bill 1072. I've cleared this with the other side of the aisle."
"And... and is this for the Rules Committee, Representative?"
"I'm sorry. The Rules Committee to meet in the Conference Room immediately."
"Okay. You've heard the Gentleman's Motion. It is to suspend the appropriate rule so that the House... Rules Committee can meet immediately to discuss the Bill mentioned. Is there any objection? Hearing no objection, the Gentleman has leave by use of the Attendance Roll Call. Now, would all Members of the House Rules Committee proceed back to the Speaker's Conference Room to vote on that Bill, please. Thank you. All Members of the Rules Committee proceed back to the Speaker's Conference Room for a Rules Committee meeting. Ladies and Gentlemen, Representative McPike is recognized to make a Motion on House Bill 3888 to take the Bill from the Table, suspend House Rule 79(d) and (e). Does he have leave to suspend 79(d) and (e)? Hearing no objection, the Gentleman has leave by use of the Attendance Roll Call, House Bill 3888. Committee Reports."
"The Committee on Rules has met and pursuant to Rule 29(c)3 the following Bills have been ruled exempt: House Bill 1072. Signed, John Matijevich, Chairman."
"Representative... Ladies and Gentlemen, it is 73 STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 134th Legislative Day November 30, 1988 the intent of the Chair now to recognize Representative Giglio who will make a Motion that the House Democrats go to a Conference. The... the Assembly however, will not adjourn. We will have to come back to the Assembly to take up one further matter and before we adjourn for the day. Okay. We have one last Motion to do before we recognize Representative Giorg... Representative Giglio. Representative Giorgi is recognized on House Bill 1072 to suspend Rule 79(e) and (d), does he have leave? Hearing no objection, he has leave by... and take the Bill from the Table, by the use of the Attendance Roll. Call. Representative Daniels, for what reason do you seek recognition?"
"Madam Speaker, just to announce that when you adjourn, the House Republicans will go into a short Conference in Room 118."
"Well, we have a problem with the rooms it seems."
"Ah, I see."
"Room 118 was going to be used by the Democrats..."
"Alright..."
"But, let's find you a room..."
"Just tell us which room would..."
"Okay. Is 122b big enough? Well, I don't think it is either. Representative Giglio is recognized for a Motion."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I would ask permission for the Democrats to have a Caucus immediately in Room 114."
"Room 118."
"118? Okay."
"Representative Giglio moves that the House 74 134th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE November 30, 1988 Daniels: recess for the purposes of a Democratic Caucus in Room 118 and the Republicans will Caucus in Room 400. Room 400 for the Republicans. Representative Daniels." "I had said that was upon adjournment. I had spoken here... that's right now, and I just want to announce that after that conference, the short conference for the Republicans, there is a reception that'll be held for Representative Tuerk and we will then go over there, but the Republicans should be alerted that they must return to the floor at approximately six o'clock cause we still have some business to do."
"Very good. Thank you. Okay, Democrats in Room 118, Republicans in Room 400. Back here at six o'clock. The House is in recess."
"The House shall come to order. The House shall come to order. Representative Shaw shall take his seat. Mr. Shaw. Please be ready for this Bill. Ladies and Gentlemen, we had advised you that we would return for the purpose of considering a Bill that is concerned with the salary level for State's Attorneys throughout the State of Illinois. The matter is in a Conference Report. Today is the last day to consider the question because the State's Attorneys will take their oath of office tomorrow. The Senate has already considered the matter twice. It failed on both occasions, so there's no need to even consider the Bill in the House, which means we are prepared to adjourn until tomorroW morning. Is there anyone seeking recognition? Mr. Clerk, on the Order of Agreed Resolutions. On the Order of General Resolutions." "House Resolution 1936, offered by Representative
Lang."
"On the Order of Death Resolutions."
"House Joint Resolution 226, offered by 75 STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 134th Legislative Day November 30, 1988 Representative Braun, Madigan and others."
"Mr. Clerk, anything else? Representative Braun."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This is my last contribution. In this Death... House Joint Resolution 226 is a Death Resolution for the late Al Rabey. Al Rabey was a giant of the Civil Rights movement, was known throughout this country, if not the world, for his strong stance in support of human rights and human issues. He was truly a gift to all of us in the time that he spent on this earth. He is now deceased. I was fortunate enough to have him as a manager of my campaign, along with Billy Page and we will miss him greatly, not only because of the personal friendship that he gave, but also because of what he meant to the larger community and his message of universal love for all people. That will be missed and Al Rabey's contribution is one which I hope we will, in our own way, try to carry on and carry forward. So I move the adoption of House Joint Resolution 226."
"The Lady has moved for the adoption of the Resolution. Those in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it, the Resolution is adopted. Mr. Clerk, anything further? Message from the Senate."
"Message from the Senate by Ms. Hawker, Secretary. Mr. Speaker, I am directed to inform the House of Representatives that the Senate concurred with the House in the passage of the following Bill, together with Amendments: House Bills 1820, 3355 and 3083. Passed the Senate as amended, November 30, 1988. Linda Hawker, Secretary."
"Anything further? There being nothing further to come before the Body, Representative Matijevich moves 76 STATE OF ILLINOIS 85th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 134th Legislative Day November 30, 1988 that the House do stand adjourned until 11 A. M. tomorrow morning. Those in favor say 'aye', those opposed say 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The House does stand adjourned until 11 A. M. tomorrow morning." 77 REPORT: TIFLDAY 10:59 STATE OF ILLINOIS 85TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES DAILY TRANSCRIPTION OF DEBATE INDEX NOVEMBER 30, 1988 PAGE 1 02/17/89 HB-1072 MOTION PAGE 74 HB-1516 MOTION PAGE 67 HB-1516 TABLED PAGE 68 HB-1576 MOTION PAGE 68 HB-2533 MOTION PAGE 23 H3-2917 CONCURRENCE PAGE 22 HB-2917 MOTION PAGE 19 HB-2917 MOTION PAGE 21 HB-2927 CONCURRENCE PAGE 19 HB-3883 MOTION PAGE 73 HB-4213 MUTION PAGE 25 HB-4256 CONCURRENCE PAGE 11 H3-4256 CONCURRENCE PAGE 20 HB-4256 MOTION PAGE 10 HB-4256 OUT OF RECORD PAGE 14 SB-0711 SECOND READING PAGE 72 SB-0711 MOTION PAGE 69 SB-0898 MOTION PAGE 53 SB-0959 NON-CONCURRENCE PAGE 64 SB-1214 SECOND READING PAGE 52 SB-1214 MOTION PAGE 51 SB-1532 VETO ACTION PAGE 5 SB-1706 MOTION PAGE 26 SB-1759 VETO ACTION PAGE 65 SB-1759 VETO ACTION PAGE 66 SB-1800 VETO ACTION PAGE 7 S3-1856 VETO ACTION PAGE 9 S3-2123 SECOND READING PAGE 64 SB-2123 MOTION PAGE 10 SB-2533 CONCURRENCE PAGE 54 HR-0226 ADOPTED PAGE 76 HR-0226 RESOLUTION OFFERED PAGE 75 HR-1934 ADOPTED PAGE 51 HR-1934 RESOLUTION OFFERED PAGE 37 HJR-0218 ADOPTED PAGE 35 HJR-0218 RESOLUTION OFFERED PAGE 32 HJR-0224 MOTION PAGE 26 SJR-0177 MOTION PAGE 69 SJR-0177 ADOPTED PAGE 72 SJR-0177 RESOLUTION OFFERED PAGE 70 SUBJECT MATTER HOUSE TO ORDER SPEAKER BRESLIN PAGE 1 PRAYER FATHER FRANK O'HARA PAGE 1 PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE PAGE 1 ROLL CALL FOR ATTENDANCE PAGE 1 HOUSE RESOLUTION 1913 READ AND PRESENTED PAGE 2 REPRESENTATIVE BRAUN IN CHAIR PAGE 4 AGREED RESOLUTIONS PAGE 4 GENERAL RESOLUTIONS PAGE 5 MESSAGES FROM SENATE PAGE 5 HOUSE RESOLUTION 1930 READ PAGE 15 HOUSE RESOLUTION 1886 READ PAGE 17 COMMITTEE REPORTS RECESS HOUSE RECONVENES AGREED RESOLUTION MESSAGE FROM SENATE ADJOURNMENT PAGE 73 PAGE 74 PAGE 75 PAGE 75 PAGE 76 PAGE 77