Illinois House Floor Debate — May 4, 1990

"The House will come to order. The Chaplain for today is Pastor Ron Woods of the First Baptist Church in Bethalto. Pastor Woods is from my legislative district."

"Would you pray with me please? Our Father we thank You this morning for giving us this day. We thank You for the opportunity to be here. To be in Your presence. And Father we ask that this morning You would give us Your wisdom. We pray that our wisdom would not be our own Father or a wisdom that comes from books or schools but a wisdom that comes from You. I pray for these men, that You would lift them up, Father that You would use them today in the offices that You have assigned them to, in a way that would be pleasing to You. I thank You Father for just allowing us the privilege of appearing before You and for calling You Father. And Father for being here. I ask that You would use these Gentlemen today, in the Name of Jesus I pray it. Amen."

"We'll be led in the Pledge of Allegiance by Representative Ropp."

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

"Roll Call for Attendance. Mr. Piel."

"Yes Mr. Speaker, would the record show that Representative Roger McAuliffe is excused today."

"Thank you, Representative Matijevich."

"On this side of the aisle Representative Dejaegher is excused."

"Thank you. Take the Roll Mr Clerk."

"116 Members answering the Roll. A quorum is present." 1  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE lllth Legislative Day

May 4, 1990 "The Chair will make this announcement more than once, but the staff has handed out to all committee Chairmans and to all Minority Spokesman a list of all Bills that came out of your respective committees. The request is that you go over these beginning this morning and hand in a list of Agreed Bills so that when we come back next week we will have an Agreed Bill list ready to go. We're gonna start with page 2, Special Order of Business, Education, Second Reading. We're going to proceed along on page 2 under Special Orders until more of our Members are here, and then we will go to the Discharge Motions. Education, Second Readings. House Bill 391. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 391, a Bill for an Act relating to reimbursement. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Motions and no Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 613. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 613, a Bill for an Act to amend the Public Community College Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee."

"Any...any committee Amendments?"

"Committee Amendment #1 was adopted in committee."

"Any Motions?"

"No Motions filed."

"And any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Alright. There are fiscal notes requested on this. Will be held on Second Reading. House Bill 948. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 948, a Bill for an Act to amend the 2  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE lllth Legislative Day May 4, 1990 School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #2 was adopted in committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1220. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 1220, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Representative McCracken."

"I want to congratulate the Board of Education on a wonderful fiscal note. Because this Bill will require an appropriation which cannot yet be determined, although we can estimate what the cost would be, they've said the Bill by itself does not have a fiscal impact, because nothing's been appropriated. I hope the State Board of Education is listening. That's not the answer we want. We want to know how much it would cost if we appropriated it as authorized. So if there's anyone in the room or within the sound of my voice, get your act together."

"The Bill will remain on Second Reading. House Bill 1222, Representative Curran. The Gentleman is not here. Take it out of the Record. House Bill 1632, Representative Satterthwaite. Representative Satterthwaite here? She is not. Take it out of the Record. House Bill 1681, Representative Cowlishaw. Good morning Representative. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 1681, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendments #1 3  lllth Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 4, 1990 and 2 were adopted in committee."

"Any Motions?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?'

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Alright, returning to House Bill 1632, Representative Satterthwaite. Do you wish to have the Bill called? Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 1632, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Representative McCracken."

"Thank you, the Amendment adopted in committee purports to amend a Senate Bill. I don't...I don't want to stand on that technicality but the Sponsor may want to consider correcting that Amendment."

"Alright, Representative Satterthwaite perhaps you could approach the uh..."

"Mr. Speaker there was permission in committee to amend the Amendment on it's face to call for a House Bill Amendment."

"We don't have a... Amendment at the Clerk's desk so we're going to have to take this out of the record. We'll go back to that. House Bill 1762, Representative Ryder. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 16...1762, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Mr. Ryder." 4  lllth Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 4, 1990

"Mr. Speaker I rise in a point of personal indignation, I see that my Bill is up there with Ron Stephen's name on it."

"Well the Chair can understand why you'd be upset. Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2..."

"Mr. Clerk, could you get Mr. Stephen's name off the board? Put Mr. Ryder's name up there. Representative Stephens."

"Well thank you Mr. Speaker. That's about the best thing that's gonna happen to that Bill. So I think Mr. Ryder might have made a mistake."

"Thank you, Mr. Clerk. Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2, offered by Representative Ryder."

"Mr. Ryder."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This changes the intent of the Bill. Deletes everything after the inacting clause. It deletes a section from the School Code that requires a Board of Education to file with the Regional Superintendent of Schools a copy of it, agreement entered into by Employee Bargaining Representative. If the board has such an agreement under current law it has to file those with the appropriate state agency. We're attempting to eliminate some duplicate paper work here. And that's the purpose of the Amendment. I move for its adoption."

"The Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment #2. Any discussion? Being none the question is, 'Shall Amendment #2 be adopted. All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'no', the ayes have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading." 5  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE lllth Legislative Day May 4, 1990

"House Bill 2185, Representative Steczo. Mr. Steczo. Take the Bill out of the record. House Bill 2853, Representative Preston. Is the Gentleman here? Yes. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 2853, a Bill for an Act relating to corporal punishment. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2, offered by Representative Preston."

"Representative Preston."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Amendment #2 in response to very reasonable, logical requests from committee Members is contains a definition of what corporal punishment is so that it makes the the Bill clear."

"Is there any discussion? Mr. McCracken."

"Thank you. Was corporal punishment not defined in the Bill?"

"No, it was not. But the Amendment defines it."

"Now is this meant to distinguish between or to create degrees of corporal punishment some of which would be acceptable and some of which would not?"

"It simply says no. I'll read you from the Amendment."

"Well I know. I know. But do you, do you take this definition to mean there are some accepted forms of punishment which include a touching?"

"Oh yes I wouldn't call that punishment. Yes absolutely. But then not as punishment but as to to put a child in a seat to separate children who are arguing or fighting to get someone to stand in line when they're 6  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE lllth Legislative Day standing in line, that's not punishment. That's non-punishment touching."

"Okay, thank you."

"Representative Hultgren. Mr. Hultgren is looking for a copy of the Amendment. Perhaps someone could give him a copy. Anything further? Representative McCracken has one. Anything further? Question is, 'Shall Amendment #2 be adopted?' All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'no', the 'ayes have it, the Amendment is adopted. Any further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2859, Representative Shaw. Mr. Shaw here? Take it out of the record. Representative Steczo we just took your Bill out of the record. Did you want that read? House Bill 2185. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 2185, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2, offered by Representative Steczo."

"Representative Steczo on Amendment #2."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. Amendment #2 puts the Bill in proper order. And I would move for its adoption."

"Any discussion? The Gentleman moves the adoption of Amendment #2. All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'no', the 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments.?"

"No further Amendments." 7  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE lllth Legislative Day

May 4, 1990 "Third Reading. Representative Hultgren."

"Mr. Speaker are we gettin' a little bit ahead of ourselves? Page tells me this one and the last one we've adopted we don't have over here yet."

"Well Representative McCracken do you have these Amendments, because I, our staff seems to have them? Do you have 'em? Mr. Hultgren, it appears like they have been distributed."

"Okay. I just asked the Page and he said he didn't either one of the last two on this side."

"House Bill 2998. Representative Ropp. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 2998, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments"

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Alright, returning to House Bill 1632, Representative Satterthwaite. been read a second time?"

Mr Clerk, has the Bill "House Bill 1632, this Bill has been read a second time. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee."

"Are there any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Representative Satterthwaite the Amendment was amended on its face in committee by leave to change it from Senate to House Amendment. Thank you, the record will reflect that. Third Reading. House Bill 3051, Representative Curran. Mr. Curran. Out of the record. House Bill 3084, Representative Matijevich. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk." 8  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE lllth Legislative Day Curran: Code. Second May 4, 1990 "House Bill 3084, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments"

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 3085, Representative Matijevich. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3085, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments"

"The fiscal notes requested have not been filed. The Bill remains on Second Reading. House Bill 3176. Representative Myron Olson. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3176, a Bill for an Act relating to public schools. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments"

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 3221, Representative Zickus. Do you want the Bill read? Representative Zickus. Would you like to have the Bill read? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3221, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments"

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 3246. Representative LeFlore. Mr. LeFlore..."

"Fiscal note not filed."

"Fiscal note is not filed. It stays on Second Reading. House Bill 3290. the Bill, Mr. Clerk." Representative Phelps. Read 9  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE lllth Legislative Day May 4, 1990

"House Bill 3290, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments"

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 3299, Representative Hartke. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3299, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendments 1 and 2 were adopted in committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 3302. Representative Deuchler for what reason do you rise? Representative Levin, is Mr. Levin here? Representative Levin is not here. Representative Deuchler for what reason do you rise? Well I would move the Bill but Representative Levin is the Chief Sponsor and he's not here."

"Turn Representative Deuchler... Representative Deuchler would you speak in your microphone? It doesn't appear to be working. Perhaps you could use Representative Klemm's microphone."

"Representative Levin asked me to move the Bill for him."

"Alright. Thank you. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3302, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments"

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Okay, returning to House Bill 10  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11lth Legislative Day 3285. Mr. Clerk...I'm sorry that's May 4, 1990 30, 3085. Representative McCracken, for what reason do you rise?"

"We have filed a fiscal note on 3302. I don't believe it's been filed yet."

"What Bill did he say?"

"3302. Let's see. The last Bill was 3302. Is that your request?"

"Yes, it, the fiscal note was requested, it's on the calendar, but there's no indication it's been filed."

"According to my calendar... Yea, you're correct. Mr. Clerk, according to the calendar...no, no, according to the calendar the fiscal note is filed, and the state mandate's note is filed. And the Clerk confirms that. 3302."

"Okay. Yea, your're right."

"Okay. That Bills on Third Reading. Now returning to House Bill 3085, Representative Matijevich's Bill. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3085, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments"

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"And the fiscal note has been filed?"

"A fiscal note is now filed."

"Thank you. Third Reading. 33...House Bill 3336, Representative Homer. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3336, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No committee..."

"Out of the record. House Bill1 3421, read the Bill and hold the Bill Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3421, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee 11  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 1llth Legislative Day Amendments"

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments." May 4, 1990

"The Bill will be held on Second Reading. Representative... House Bill 3487, Representative Hannig. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk. Yes, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3487, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments"

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 3569, Representative Hicks. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3569, a Bill for an Act in relation to Downstate Illinois Education Academy. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 3572, Representative Steczo. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk... The mandate's note is not...Mr. Steczo, the mandate's note is not been filed this Bill. Out of the record. House Bill 3651, Representative Homer. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk." Clerk O'Brien: to "House Bill 3651, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments"

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 3745. House Bill 3745. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3745, a Bill for an Act to amend the 12  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 111th Legislative Day School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendments"

"Any Floor Amendments?" May 4, 1990

No Committee Clerk O'Brien: "Floor Amendment #1 offered by Representative William Peterson."

"Representative Peterson."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. House Amendment #1 to House Bill 34...3745 makes the Bill effective upon becoming law."

"Representative Peterson, did you present the Amendment?"

"Yes I did Mr. Speaker."

"Alright. Is there any discussion on the Amendment? There being none. The question is, 'Shall Amendment #1 be adopted?' All those in favor say 'aye', opposed 'no', the 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 3989, Representative Hicks. Take it out of the record. Representative Hicks. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3989, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Representative Cowlishaw."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The sponsor of this Bill has just come over and told me that he realizes that he agreed in committee that there would be an Amendment to this Bill, but the Amendment is not yet prepared and that when it is he will be bring it back to Second Reading. The Amendment will in fact then be offered. With that understanding there is no objection in moving this to Third Reading." 13  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 111th Legislative Day

"Representative Black." May 4, 1990

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I think...would you check with the Clerk and see if indeed a fiscal note hasn't been filed? Also, perhaps a mandate's note filed on this Bill?"

"House Bill 3989...there's no fiscal note requested is there? No."

"I believe it was filed first thing this morning Mr. Speaker."

"Yea, there's a request for a fiscal note. Take it out of the record. Mr. Steczo."

"Mr. Speaker when we were on the order of House Bill 3572, we were informed that a Mandate's Act Note had not been filed. My understanding is that that note was filed yesterday."

"Say that number again."

"House Bill 3572."

"We don't have it Mr. Steczo."

"We'll refile Mr. Speaker."

"Representative Johnson. For what reason do you rise?"

"Just a point of information, in looking at the calendar, on page 2 I note that Friday, June 6...June 15 is set for 12:00 p.m. Compensation Review Board report. On the same calendar immediately below that I notice there is a 12:00 p.m. Compensation Review Board Report Agenda. I assume that means we're going to that order of business today. We've waited a week and a half, but I assume that we're going at noon today to that order of business?"

"No, we're going on June 15th..."

"Well, that's not what the calendar says. June...June 15 this circled and then below that there's 12:00 o'clock p.m. Compensation Review Board Report. I think everybody 14  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE lllth Legislative Day has had a time to put their fingers to determine how they're going to vote. begin with." May 4, 1990 the wind now and

We didn't need to to Speaker McPike: "No Mr. Johnson this is a duplication of the line above it. It's a printer's error. We're going to that on Friday, June 15th, and we've announced that previously. Representative Zickus."

"Mr. Speaker I have a Motion on the calendar for immediate consideration of House Joint Resolution 118."

"Representative Zickus, you weren't recognized for that purpose."

"Mr. Speaker, I move for immediate consideration of..."

"Representative Zickus, you are not recognized for that purpose. We're not on that order of business. We're on Second Reading. Education. Alright the next Bill is House Bill 4053, Representative Flowers. Representative Flowers. Take the Bill out of the record. House Bill 4135, Representative Munizzi. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk,"

"House Bill 4135, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Representative...is it filed? There is a request for a fiscal note that has not been filed. The Bill stays on Second Reading. Representative Cowlishaw, for what reason do you rise?"

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, it is also my understanding that an Amendment to this Bill was agreed upon by the speaker and the members of the committee from which the Bill emerged. And I would appreciate it if the Sponsor was reminded of that. Thank you."

"Representative Munizzi." 15  lllth Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 4, 1990

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Amendment is enroute. We can keep it on Second Reading until it gets here."

"Alright. It needs a fiscal note also."

"Alright. Thank you."

"As Amended."

"Thank you."

"Alright. On the same Order of Business returning to House Bill 3051. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3051, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee.

"Any Motion filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2, offered by Representative Curran."

"And Representative Steczo, did you say that you're handling this for Representative Curran?"

"Yes Mr. Speaker, I am."

"Well proceed with Amendment #1, I'm sorry, Amendment #2."

"Mr. Speaker. Amendment #2 is a technical Amendment that puts the Bill in proper form. I move for its adoption."

"The Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment #2. The question is, 'Shall Amendment #2 be adopted?' All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Alright, the Chair will repeat the first announcement that was made at 9:00 a.m. this morning, and that is that Staff has passed out to all Committee Chairmen and to all Minority Spokesmen a list of 16  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE Illth Legislative Day May 4, 1990 all Bills that came out of your respective committees. The Chair would request that you get together and review these and come up with a an agreed list this morning. Turn it in so that next week when we get here we'll have the list ready. Representative Kirkland for what reason do you rise, Sir?"

"Just a question. A few of us back here haven't seen 'em. Are they coming to the desk here or are they coming to our offices?"

"They were to be delivered to your desk, we will check that right now."

"Alright. Thanks."

"Alright, continuing on Special Order of Business, Humane Services, Second Readings. The first is House Bill 797, Representative Levin. Out of the record. House Bill 1656, Representative Young. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 1656..."

"Oh, out of the record. I'm sorry. House Bill 1817, Representative Trotter. Representative Trotter. Out of the Record. House Bill 2013, Representative Kubik. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 2013, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Public Aid Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee."

"Representative Kubik. Read...did you read the Bill Mr. Clerk? Any Motions filed? Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Motions, no Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 3058, Representative Cullerton. Mr. Cullerton? Out of the record. House Bill 3110, Representative Jesse White. Out of the record. House Bill 3164, Representative Trotter. House Bill 3318, 17  Illth Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 4, 1990 Representative Currie. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3318, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Public Aid Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Mr. Clerk is there a fiscal note?"

"A fiscal note has been filed."

"Has been filed. The Bill is on Third Reading. House Bill 3347, Representative Lou Jones. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3347, there's a request for a fiscal note on this."

"Alright, there's a request for a fiscal note on this, and it has not been filed, so, you have it? Okay. Mr. Clerk do you have the fiscal note?"

"Yes, I do."

"Alright he has the fiscal note. Are there any..."

"Read the Bill?"

"Yea, read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3347, a Bill for an Act to amend the Hospital Licensing Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments"

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Representative McCracken."

"Thank you. We requested a state's mandate note. And we don't believe it's been filed."

"Was that filed this morning? Representative, the Clerk is checking the records, but it appears like a state mandate's note request was filed this morning. Just 18  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE lllth Legislative Day May 4, 1990 a second. Alright, the Bill will remain on Second Reading. Representative, there is a request for a mandate's note, and it has not been filed. Representative Jones."

"Mr. Speaker I have that in my office. I'm calling for them to bring it over now."

"Fine. Thank you. Rep... House Bill 3429, Representative Phelps. You want that Mr. Phelps? Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3429, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Public Aid Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments"

"Representative Kirkland, to answer your question LIS made some errors on the first printout so there'll be about a half hour before these printouts on all the committee Bills will reach your desk. And after that we would appreciate your su...help. Any Committee Amendments on this Bill?"

"No Committee Amendments"

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Oh, I'm sorry. Representative Phelps."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There was a fiscal note requested and I had the results just handed in my hand, I'll need to file it I guess, real quick."

"It has been filed. Yes."

"Thank you."

"And the Bill is on Third Reading now. House Bill 3515, Representative Jones. Representative Jones, do you want this Bill read? Yes, read the Bill Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3515, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Public Aid Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments" 19  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 1l1th Legislative Day May 4, 1990

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments. A fiscal note has been filed."

"Alright, a fiscal note has been filed. Third Reading. House Bill 3561, Representative White. Out of the record. 3562 and 63, Representative White. Out of the record. House Bill 3565, Representative Currie. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"A fiscal note is not filed."

"A fiscal note is not filed on this. Representative Currie, we'll just take this out of the record. House Bill 3567, Representative Williams. Out of the record. House Bill 3575, Representative Bowman. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3575, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Public Aid Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments"

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 3576. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3576, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Public Aid Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments"

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 3587, Representative Didrickson. Out of the record. House Bill 3599, Representative McGann. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3599, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Health Facilities Planning Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments"

"Any Floor Amendments?" 20  lllth Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE Clerk O'Brien: "No Floor Amendments." May 4, 1990

"Third Reading. House Bill 3600, Representative White. Out of the record. House Bill 3655, Representative Hicks. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3655, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Public Aid Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee. "

"Any Committee Amendments?"

"Committee Amendment #1 was adopted in committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motion filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 3675, Representative Trotter. Third Reading. House Bill 3713, Representative White. Out of the record. House Bill 3748, Representative Wojcik. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3748, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Public Aid Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments"

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 3853, Representative Churchill. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3853, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Health Facilities Planning Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments"

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 4216, Representative Bowman. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 4216, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Public Aid Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No 21  111th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 4, 1990 Committee Amendments"

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Alright, the next Order of Business is insurance. Representative Cullerton."

"Yes, was that inchurance or insurance?"

"It's insurance."

"Well, when are we going to get to the insurance Bills?"

"We're going to do insurance first."

"Alright. When we're through with the insurance can we do the insurance after that?"

"Representative McCracken."

"I don't get it"

"Representative Ryder has the first Bill, House Bill 982. Out of the record. House Bill 1014, Representative...would you put that back up on the board Mr. Speaker. House Bill 982, Ryder. Mr. Clerk what is happening here? Everytime I call on Ryder you put in Representative Stephen's Bill. Yea. Representative Ryder did you change seats this year? Did you change seats on the House Floor? Well that's what it is. The computer searches these out by seat number. So it appears like Representative Stephens is going to get credit for everything you do this year. Mr. Clerk, we better try to correct this. House Bill 1014, Representative Giorgi. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 1014, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Insurance Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendments #1 and 2 were adopted in committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?" 22  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE lllth Legislative Day

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Stern." May 4, 1990 Representative

Grace Mary Stern: "Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, on a note of personal privilege, I just want to reannounce that Lake County is honoring John Matijevich tonight at a dinner at the Holiday Inn in Mundelein. Anybody who comes I'll buy your dinner. We sit down at 7:00 o'clock."

"House Bill 3061, Representative Shirley Jones. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3061, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Insurance Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?'

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 3468, Representative Mautino. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3468, a Bill for an Act to amend the Comprehensive Health Insurance Plan Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments"

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 3528, Representative Parke. Read the Bill Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3528, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Insurance Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments"

"Any Committee Amendments?"

"No Committee Amendments"

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments." 23  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE lllth Legislative Day May 4, 1990

"Third Reading. House Bill 3624, Representative Steczo. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3624, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Insurance Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments"

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 3683, Representative Leverenz. Out of the record. House Bill 3740, Representative Peterson. Mr. Peterson. Bill, William, there. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3740, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Insurance Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments"

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 3856, Representative Ryder."

"House Bill 3856, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Insurance Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee."

"Mr. Clerk, he wants all of his Bills out of the record until you correct this problem. He wants this one out of the record. House Bill 3857, Representative Cullerton. Out of the record. House Bill 3966, Representative Balanoff. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3966, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Insurance Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments"

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #1 offered by Representative Novak."

"Representative Novak. Mr. Novak. Mr. Balanoff 24  lllth Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 4, 1990 wants it out of the record. House Bill 3347, that was taken out of the record because of the state mandate note. Representative Jones has filed the state mandate's note. So the Bill will go to Third Reading. Alright, continuing with the Special Order of Business; Transportation. House Bill 2867, Representative Saltsman. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 2867..."

"Out of the record. House Bill 2887, Representative Peterson. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 2887, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Highway Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments"

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #1 offered by Representative Peterson."

"Representative Peterson."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Amendment 1 to House Bill 2887 has been submitted at the request of IDOT. They wish that the population figure of 5000 be raised to 15000. And that's what this Amendment does. I ask for your support of Amendment 1."

"And on that, Representative Cullerton."

"Will the Sponsor yield?"

"Yes he will."

"Now if I understand the original Bill, what you're trying to do is that...you're saying that competitive bidding for road district contracts, which now have to be done for $5000 dollars, anything over than $5000..."

"Correct."

"...in a road district with a population of over 5000?"

"Correct." 25  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE lllth Legislative Day May 4, 1990

"That's what the original Bill said. That changed that to what? 10,000?"

"10,000 and those townships where the population put the Amendment up over 15,000. It was...IDOT'Sfeeling that the...that dollar amount was greater for the smaller townships and they felt this was a way that would only affect those larger budgets."

"Alright. The effect of the Bill as introduced was to call for under certain circumstances less competitive bidding than what goes on now. It eliminated the requirement for competitive bidding in certain circumstances. "

"No."

"The way the Bill was introduced. And the Amendment seems to me, is this correct? The Amendment cuts back from the original purpose of the Bill slightly?"

"Correct. What it does is it leaves those townships under 15,000 population still with the 5000 bid requirement."

"And...but but certain townships would have a $10,000..."

"That's Correct."

"And that would be over 15,000?"

"Correct."

"Do you know how many road districts there are over 15,000?"

"I would say that there are probably, I would estimate somewhere between 25 and 30 percent of all the townships."

"And is the reason for the Bill, not to go on Third Reading, is the reason for the Bill that because of inflation or whatever the cost of these Bids it's impractical to have...competitive bidding?"

"That's correct." 26  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE lllth Legislative Day

"Okay. Thank you."

May 4, 1990 "Anything further? The question is, 'Shall Amendment #1 be adopted?' All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'no', the 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 3204, Representative Peterson. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3204, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Highway Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments"

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 3630, Representative Kubik. Representative Kubik. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3630, a Bill for an Act to release seizements and restore access rights to certain described lands in the State of Illinois. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. The next Special Order is Children. House Bill 2930, Representative McNamara. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 2930, a Bill for an Act to amend the Abused and Neglected Child Reporting Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2, offered by Representative 27  111th Legislative Day Regan."

"Representative Regan."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. This is an Agreed Amendment. Adds personal directors of non-for-profit, primarily provide services to the children and may receive information from the Department of Children and Family Services. I urge it's adoption."

"Representative McNamara."

"Just to reiterate that it is an Agreed Amendment."

"Alright, the Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment #2. All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'no', the 'ayes' have it. The Amendments adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 3558, Representative Curran. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3558, a Bill for an Act in relation to children and family. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments"

"Representative Curran a fiscal note is requested and not filed. The Bill stays on Second Reading. House Bill 3577, Representative Preston. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3577, a Bill for an Act concerning protection and advocacy of children. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments"

"Mr. Clerk."

"A fiscal note is not filed."

"A fiscal note is not filed on this Bill. It stays on Second Reading. The next one...Alright, we'll return to House Bill 3966, it was taken out of the record. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk,"

"House Bill 3966, a Bill for an Act to amend the 28  111th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 4, 1990 Illinois Insurance Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments"

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #1, offered by Representative Novak."

"Mr. Novak."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker. Please withdraw the Amendment."

"The Gentleman withdraws Amendment #1. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Alright, Representative McCracken. Representative McCracken. Just a minute. Representative McCracken."

"This is a Representative Balanoff Bill. I can't believe we didn't file a fiscal note request. Does that ring a bell? I think we did. If we didn't it was an an oversight."

"It was an oversight. It's on Third Reading now. Then Representative Preston then on House Bill 3708. Do you want this Bill read? The fiscal note is not filed on this one either. Just forget it? Take it out of the record. Out of the record. If there's any Member on the floor that would like to move a Bill from Second Reading to Third Reading, and if your Bill is not on one of these Special Orders of Call, would you please sign this yellow pad right here at the well. So we can know your Bill number. We're gonna try to get to these today. And for your information the...the House will be in Session for awhile so...Economic Development. House Bill 1560, Representative Wyvetter Younge. Mrs. Younge. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 1560..."

"No, there's a...fiscal note has not been filed 29  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE lllth Legislative Day May 4, 1990 on this. Out of the record. House Bill 2535, Representative Younge. Same thing on this. Out of the record. House Bill 2876, Representative LeFlore. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk. Same thing on this, Mr. LeFlore. Out of the record. House Bill 3239, Representative LeFlore. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3239, a Bill for an Act to amend the Steel Products Procurement Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments"

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #1, offered by Representative Hultgren and Harris."

"Representative Hultgren."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I offer Floor Amendment #1 to really follow up on a discussion we had in the committee with regard to this legislation because I think Floor Amendment #1 illustrates a problem with the Bill and a defect in the Bill. The Sponsor, I think well intentioned, offered this as a way of enhancing employment and protecting jobs in the United States. However, the Bill is as it is currently constituted, indicates that the products can be made in the United States or in Canada. And I'm not sure why we're taking...if we're interested in protecting domestic jobs, and enhancing employment in the United States why we then go on to include Canada. And it seems to me that the this could be construed if we're including our neighbor to the north, it could be construed as discrimination against our Latin American neighbor to the south in Mexico. Now, it seems to me that if we want to protect American jobs that perhaps this should be limited just to products made in the United States, and if we begin to make exceptions for our friends, our allies, our neighboring countries, then where 30  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE lllth Legislative Day May 4, 1990 do we draw the line? So, the Amendment that I've offered is if it were going to include the country of Canada in the preferential legislation it seems to me only fair that we ought to include Latin American country to the south in Mexico and not discriminate against the the Latin American workers who who border United States to the south if we're not going to discriminate against those workers who work in cities and provinces bordering the United States to the north. So I offer Floor Amendment #1 and would ask for a role call vote on the Amendment."

"And on the Amendment, Representative LeFlore."

"Mr. Speaker, I stand in opposition of Amendment #1."

"Representative Hultgren to close."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I believe that Representative Harris might have had his light on."

"Excuse me just minute. Yes, I didn't see it. My apologies. Representative Harris."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. If I may to address the Amendment. The United States, within the past year and a half concluded a free trade agreement with our neighbor to the north, Canada. And that was a monumental achievement. And I think the Sponsor of the Bill, the underlying Bill, rightly recognized that Canada is our, one of our major trading partners, if not our largest trading partner. And he included Canadian steel products in this Bill. Well if you recall under the previous administration U.S. administration, we have made significant, significant trading arrangements with our neighbor to the south, Mexico. And Mexico also has a major steel producing industry. They are growing rapidly. And I think it is very reasonable to believe that we may very well enter a free trade agreement with the nation of Mexico. The objective is to strengthen the entire American trading 31  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE lllth Legislative Day May 4, 1990 continent. So it only seems reasonable that we should not discriminate against our neighbors from Mexico in this Bill. We are simply looking to expand it, to include our neighbors to the south as well as our neighbors to the north. And I think it's a reasonable Amendment and I ask your 'aye' vote."

"Representative Homer."

"Mr. Speaker, these Amendments to Representative LeFlore's Bills, and there are three of them, are designed to subvert the purpose of the Gentleman's Bill. His Bill's very simple. He wants the State of Illinois in conducting business with, for any procurements, commodities or manufactured goods to require that at least 50 percent of the content be manufactured in the United States and Canada. That seems like a very modest request, I'm surprised that we would have contracts that would not meet that criteria now. We have a special relationship with Canada. We have a free trade agreement, we have the United Auto Workers operating within each of those nations, and we hope the day is soon arriving that our friends to the south, Mexico, will also be an equal trading partner and on equal footing with the United States and Canada. But let's face it, many businesses now go to Canada because of...to Mexico because of the cheap labor. And because of the wages there are paid subnormal wages, substandard wages that are paid to Mexican workers. That's not fair to them. We hope that the day is soon coming when they will have equal footing with the neighbors to the north. That day has not yet arrived. This Amendment is not, I don't think really offered in good faith but rather to subvert the purpose of the Gentleman's Bill and I would urge opposition to this Amendment and the next two, Amendments as well."

"Representative Black." 32  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE lllth Legislative Day May 4, 1990

"Thank you, very much, Mr. Speaker. I just rise for a point of clarification. Should Representative Hultgren had failed to ask for the Roll Call, I would like to ask this Amendment be a Roll Call."

"Alright. Representative Hult... Representative McCracken."

"We acknowledge that we don't like the Bill. We're seeking Amendments in order to compromise. It's the essence of political life and to imply or even to state that these are in bad faith, or for some other reason should not be considered, really ignores the fact that our business is one of compromise. We don't like the Bill, these Amendments make the Bill a little better. If the Amendments don't get on, I suspect this side of the aisle will oppose the Bill. And they will oppose the Bill because of one immutable economic fact. The manufacturer, the supplier, the consumer, is going to go for the best product at the lowest cost. It's a fact of life and unless you want to entirely socialize our economic system, you have no business toying with it. This is only going to cost taxpayers more money. It is not going to save jobs here. It is not going to save any economic life that that you depend on in order to get taxpayer' dollars into this treasury. So we're not ashamed of these Amendments. They're not for a bad purpose. They are for the purpose of seeking to make a bad Bill a little better. So let's consider them on their merits and on that basis I think we should adopt them."

"Representative Cullerton."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker. I understand that there is a request for a Roll Call. If the Amendment passes, I would request that I'd be allowed to do a verification."

"Certainly. Representative Hultgren to close." 33  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 1llth Legislative Day

May 4, 1990 "Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Simply to reiterate what I said at the outset, and I'm not sure that any of the discussion which followed really responded to the the problem with the Bill. Representative LeFlore, I think very well meaning, is trying to promote domestic employment and protect American jobs. But he makes an exception and when you make the exception, what you really have done then is not just protect American jobs but protected other jobs and discriminated against those workers in Latin American countries. And if you have a significant Latin population in your district, you may want to wonder, you may want to ask yourself whether you want to vote for a Bill that's going to discriminate against those workers as Representative LeFlore's Bill will do as currently constituted. So I would urge an 'aye' Amendment for the sake of fairness."

"Alright, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #1 be adopted?' All those in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Mr. Homer, all those in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Amendment there are 52 'ayes' and 61 'nos'. Representative Cullerton."

"I withdraw my request to do a verification."

"The Amendment's defeated. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2, offered by Representative Harris."

"Representative Harris."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. One of the previous speakers made reference to all three of the Amendments, which have been offered to these Bills as simply to trying to defeat the Bill. And that's really not the case. We recognize that the Sponsor of this Bill is well intended. He does want to force this issue to 34  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE lllth Legislative Day May 4, 1990 be discussed. The Amendments which we have offered or are offering and this Amendment in particular, really we feel, aid the Bill. What Amendment #2 does in...Mr. Clerk would you get that up there...what Amendment #2 does is something that we do quite frequently in this House, and that is, we change the Bill from a mandatory to a permissive type of legislation. In other words, we're going from saying that it specifies that these products must be contain certain amount of American products or a certain amount of American manufactured goods, to encouraging. We're not making it mandatory, we're making it permissive. The logic of that is simple. There is a burden here, there's a regulatory burden, there's an enforcement burden, there's a cost burden. And if you don't think there's a cost burden, you're really mistaken. The cost burden on this Bill could be significant. So what we're saying is let's bring that that discussion to the floor front. Let's talk about it, let's recognize the fact that we want American products used wherever possible. And let's encourage that. And let's make it part of that law. But don't come down and say we've gotta do it. Because when we say we've gotta do it, we're interfering with the marketplace. It drives up the cost of our products and that in the end hurts everyone. Again, this makes it permissive not mandatory, and I urge a 'yes' vote."

"And on the Amendment, Representative LeFlore."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I stand in opposition of Amendment #2."

"Alright, no further discussion...Representative Harris is there anything further? Mr. Harris."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. To close, my explanation was fairly straight forward. I hope you will support the Bill uh the Amendment with an 'aye' vote." 35  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE lllth Legislative Day May 4, 1990

"Alright, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #2 be adopted?' All those in favor say 'aye', opposed 'no'. You want a record vote? All those in favor of the Amendment vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? Clerk will take the record. On this Amendment there are 50 'ayes' and 61 'nos', and the Amendment fails. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #3, offered by Representative Harris."

"Representative Harris."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Well, maybe we can go for three in a row. But once again Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, the Amendments are offered seriously. The Amendments are offered not to kill the Bill, but to help the Bill. Amendment #3 would exclude from the provisions of this Bill those nations which by the United States have been designated, or given, Most Favored Nation status. Now the importance here is that what we do here in Illinois, we don't operate in a vacuum, we are operating in a global economy. The United States Government recognizes that there are instances that countries either trade fairly or unfairly with the United States. When countries trade fairly when countries say 'look we'll buy your product, we want you to buy our products.' We grant them what's known as Most Favored Nation status. And that's important recognition. There was a program on a cable channel just the other night, the Arts and Entertainment Channel, called, what was the name of the program? Called World Chronicle. On that program they were interviewing a member of the economic community...the Economic Parliament, and he was talking about trade barriers, he was talking about interference to free trade, which is a major concern to the people in the economic community. One Bill that he picked 36  lllth Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 4, 1990 out from the entire list of Bills in the United States was this Bill in the State of Illinois. They are aware, Ladies and Gentleman of the House, of what we are doing here. That person stated that should this Bill pass, he feels it would be a hinderence to free trade and that economic retaliations may very well be necessary by our economic trading partners in the in the European community. Should that occur, that puts our products at risk. Let me throw something out to you. In all the farmers out here or people who have farmers in their districts ought to pay attention to this. What happens if Japan says 'look if you won't buy our steel products we won't buy your soybeans'? Japan buys more soybeans from us than any other nation in the world. What if Japan said 'you don't buy our steel, we buy our soybeans from Brazil.' Is that helpful to us? Ladies and Gentleman I contend it is not helpful to us. So once again what this Bill does says that the United States has designated the nation with Most Favored Nation status. This Bill would not apply to that nation. I think it helps us in world trade. I think it helps our economic position. It still gets the legislation on the books. I don't think it's harmful and I ask for your favorable support."

"Yes, Representative LeFlore on that Amendment."

"Mr. Speaker, I stand in opposition on Amendment #3."

"Representative Stephens, on that Amendment."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Just to request a Roll Call."

"Okay. Representative Cullerton."

"Will the Sponsor yield?"

"Yes, he will."

"Representative, who, how is the Most Favored Nation status determined?"

"That is determined, Representative, by the well it's determined by the President, although the Congress can 37  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE lllth Legislative Day May 4, 1990 overrule the President. It's administered by the International Trade Commission."

"What are the elements that the President looks into in determining whether country is the Most Favored Nation?"

"To be eligible to participate in the program, a country must have in place with the United States, a bilateral trade agrement."

"Does it have anything to do with their human rights policies? Or, in other words, could a country be excluded because of of say procedure, because of apartheid, or because of their attitudes toward Minorities in that regard?"

"That is possible. That is possible as an example, some Eastern Bloc Countries, Communist Bloc Countries have not been granted the Most Favored Trade nation."

"So even though it has nothing to do with trade, sometimes for public policy reasons, these countries are included or excluded?"

"That has happened although Congress always has the final word. It is not done arbitrarily."

"Do you know the status of Russia, with regard to the Most Favored Nation?"

"Currently they're not they are not in there, although they are negotiating right now for that status."

"Right. I was under the impression that they were it was a possibility. Could you name some countries that, if you know, that are not considered Most Favored Nations, at this time?"

"Well, some of our..."

"It's got to be Albania, right?"

"I don't, I don't..."

"Albanians got to be our favorite, because that is going to be like a museum of communism, or they're gonna be 38  lllth Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 4, 1990 the last ones to go."

"I do not have a list of all of them. Some of them are ones which we have not traded with for many years, such as Cuba, such as North Poland, North Korea..."

"South Africa?"

"I do not know if they're on the list or not."

"Okay. Then what the effect of your Amendment would be then is to say that Representative LeFlore's Bill would only imply to nations that were not on this list of most favored nations?"

"That is correct, as I had explained."

"Alright, thank you."

"Representative Harris to close."

"I ask for an 'aye' vote, and a recorded Roll Call."

"Alright, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #3 be adopted?' All those in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? Clerk will take the record. On this Amendment there are 52 'ayes' and 62 'nos'. The Amendment fails. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 3604, Dejaegher. Out of the record. We'll go to Criminal Law. Second Reading. House Bill 1268, Representative Currie. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 1268, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act in relation to domestic violence shelters. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments." 39  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE lllth Legislative Day

May 4, 1990 "Third Reading. House Bill 3180, Representative Novak. Novak. Novak. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3180, a Bill for an Act to amend the Criminal Code. Second Reading of the Bill."

"Third Reading. House Bill 3521, Representative Mautino. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3521, a Bill for an Act in relation to motor vehicle theft pre..."

"Any Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #1 offered by Representative Anthony Young."

"Representative Young. Representative Tony Young. Representative Cullerton, do you have this Amendment?"

"We have Amendment #1 and Amendment #2 filed by Representative Countryman."

"Yes, Representative Cullerton, can you handle Amendment #1 by Representative Young?"

"Yes, with leave."

"Alright, Representative Young is not here. Mr. Mautino."

"I move that this Amendment be tabled, and I have the opportunity to move my Bill to Third Reading."

"Alright, the Gentleman moves that Amendment #1 be tabled. Is there any opposition to the Gentleman's Motion? Representative Cullerton."

"Well, I just wondered if I could just explain the Amendment, then maybe the Sponsor would accept it. The Amendment provides that the Illinois Motor Vehicle Theft Prevention Council shall not have the power to subpoena or arrest. That's all the Amendment does."

"Representative Mautino."

"With all do respect, Mr. Speaker, the Gentleman 40  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE lllth Legislative Day May 4, 1990 Sponsoring the Amendment had not come forward to me to even tell me what was in the Amendment, why it was needed, what the problem was. I have not seen it. The Gentleman has not presented it to me. He's not here and I move to table his Amendment. He's not here. We all know what our rules are on that situation."

"Yes, and the a...is there anyone else that stand in opposition to the Gentleman's Motion? Being none, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #1 be tabled?' All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The question is, 'Shall all in favor of tabling the Amendment' say 'aye', opposed 'no'. I thought so. The 'ayes' have it. And the Amendment is tabled. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2, offered by Representative Countryman."

"Representative Countryman, Amendment #2. Mr. Countryman here? Alright, on the Amendment, Mr. Country...Representative Countryman. Representative Giglio in the Chair."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This Amendment puts a five year sunset on this Bill, which is something the Sponsor agreed to in committee, and something I requested so we could see how it was working in five years.

"Representative Mautino."

"The Gentleman is exactly correct. It's an agreed Amendment from committee, and I support the adoption of Amendment #2."

"All those in favor of the adoption, signify by saying 'aye', opposed, in the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Are there further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Alright, on the Order of State 41  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE lllth Legislative Day Government Administration, Second Reading, Bill 890, Representative Bugielski. Bugielski in the... Representative Mautino. May 4, 1990 appears House Representative Are you asking if we moved it to Third Reading? I assume we did. Mr. Clerk. Yes, it's on Third Reading. Representative Bugielski in the chamber? Out of the record. Representative Kubik, 1585. Representative Kubik in the chamber? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 1585, a Bill for an Act in relation to forest preserve districts. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Representative Bowman, 3248. Representative Bowman. Mr. Clerk, 3248, read the Bill." Clerk O'Brien: prompt "House Bill 3248, a Bill for an Act to require payments by the state. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Bill 3426. Representative Terzich, House Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3426, a Bill for an Act to amend the Environmental Protection Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill." Representative Stange, 3493.

"House Bill 3493, a Bill for an Act to amend the County Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?" 42  111th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 4, 1990

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Representative Currie, 3777. Representative Currie in the chamber? Out of the record, Mr. Clerk. Representative Curran. Mike Curran, 3891 Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3891, a Bill for an Act to create the Home Builders Emergency Relief Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #1 offered by Representative Curran."

"Representative #1. Representative Curran.

"Mr. Speaker, Amendment #1 makes certain technical changes. It provides that home builders will receive monies from the fund provided that he was in charge of construction at the time and that he has not yet sold the build...sold the home.

"Any discuss...any discussion on the Amendment. Hearing none, all those in favor of the Amendment, signify by saying 'aye', opposed 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. The Amendment's adopted. Are there further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Representative Currie, 4050. Representative Barbara Currie, 4050. Out of the record. Representative Bowman, 4148. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 4148..."

"Take the Bill out of the record, Mr. Clerk. This Bill is on the Order of First Legislative Day. Representative Curran. There are two Bills that we skipped over, 1220 and 1222, on the Order of Education. Mr. Clerk, House Bill 1220. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 1220, a Bill for an Act to amend the 43  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE lllth Legislative Day May 4, 1990 School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill... Third Reading of 1220. Alright, 1222. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 1222, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendments #1 and 2 were adopted in committee."

"Were there any Motions filed?"

Clerk O'Brien"No Motions filed."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #23 offered by Representative Curran."

"Representative Curran."

"Move to adopt Amendment %33, Mr. Speaker."

"Gentleman moves to adopt Amendment #3. On that question, the Gentleman from Vermilion, Representative Black. Representative Black."

"Thank you, very much. Thank you, very much, Mr. Speaker. We reflect that we filed a request for a mandate's note. We don't see that it's been filed. Inquire of the Chair, has it been filed?"

"Just asking a question about the Bill, that's all. Alright, can we do the Amendment, Representative Black? And then we'll inquire about the mandate."

"Okay, thank you."

"Alright, those in favor of the... Amendment #3 to House Bill 1222...excuse me. Representative Cowlishaw."

"Mr. Speaker, I don't have a copy of Floor Amendment #3 and we do not have one in our file here. I want to 44  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE lllth Legislative Day May 4, 1990 inquire as to whether this Amendment has been distributed to both sides of the aisle."

"The Amendment has been distributed and I don't know about your side of the aisle."

"Well, may I inquire, Mr. Speaker, if there is anyone on our side of the aisle who has a copy of Amendment #3 to this Bill..."

"Representative Hultgren has one. Representative Hultgren has one."

"He does?"

"Representative Mike Weaver has one."

"Well, would they like to share it with me or are they just going to sit on it? They just sit there. Can you get me a copy of Amendment #3? It's not in here."

"Representative Cowlishaw."

"Mr. Speaker, the two Members who have indicated they have this Amendment have now discovered what they have is Amendment #5. None of us has Amendment #3. I wonder if we might just take this out of the record long enough to discover what in fact this Amendment does."

"Alright...alright, take it out of the record and the Chair would like to inform your side of the aisle, to see if you can find Amendments #3 and 4, if you have 5 already. Governor's State Government Administration, Second Reading, appears House Bill 2377, Gentleman from... Representative McPike, Madison, 2377. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2377, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Educational Labor Relations Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2378. Mr. Clerk, 45  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE lllth Legislative Day read the Bill." May 4, 1990

"House Bill 2378, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Public Relations Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2388. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2388, a Bill for an Act to amend the Unemployment Insurance Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2389. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2389, a Bill for an Act to amend the Worker's Compensation Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 3028. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3028, a Bill for an Act to eliminate the Agricultural Premium Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2 offered by Representative Ropp."

"Representative Ropp on Amendment #2. Representative Ropp in the chamber? Representative McPike." 46  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE lllth Legislative Day May 4, 1990

"Let's leave this on Second Reading. I'm waiting for an Amendment from Mr. Ropp. Leave it on Second Reading."

"Alright, leave the...20...3028 on Second Reading, Mr. Clerk. House Bill 3136. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3136."

"There is a fiscal note request that hasn't been filed yet. Representative McPike."

"Leave it on Second."

"Leave the Bill on Second Reading, Mr. Clerk. House Bill 3393.Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3393, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois... Build Illinois Bond Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 3793. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3793, a Bill for an Act to amend the Regional Transportation Authority Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Alright, I inadvertently skipped over Representative Kulas's Bill. House Bill 2907. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2907, a Bill for an Act in relation to medical and family responsibility leave. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 3196. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill." 47  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE lllth Legislative Day May 4, 1990

"House Bill 3196, a Bill for an Act concerning land in Madison County. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. On State and Local Government, Second Reading, appears House Bill 1162. Representative Trotter. Is Rep...Representative Trotter in the chamber? Out of the record, Mr. Clerk. 1856, Representative Petka. Is Representative Petka in the chamber? Are you ready, Sir? 1856. Out of...out of the record. You have 2366 Steczo, 2366, State and Local Government. and 2367. Mr. Clerk, read the House Bill 2366."

"House Bill 2366, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Municipal Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"Amendments 1,2,3 and 4 were tabled in committee. No further Amendments."

"No further Amendments, Third Reading. House Bill 2367. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2367, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Muncipal Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Representative Hensel. House Bill 2884. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2884..."

"Wait a minute, Mr. Clerk, out of the record. Representative Hensel."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. House Bill 2884 has passed and is listed as a Third...under Third Reading on page 37. I 48  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE lllth Legislative Day May 4, 1990 think it was just misprinted in here and it should be listed as Third Reading under this category."

"Fine, thank you. Mr. Clerk, make note. Representative Kubik. Take it out of the record. Representative Kubik, 2941. Representative Kubik. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2941, a Bill for an Act creating of privilege for certain interpretive communications...interrupted communications. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"Amendment #1 was withdrawn in committee. No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Representative Woolward...Woolard. Representative Woolard on House Bill 3120. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

Clerk O'Brien" "House Bill 3120, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Enterprise Zone Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #1 offered by Representative Harris."

"Representative Harris. On Amendment #1 to House Bill 3120. Representative Harris in the chamber? Representative Woolard."

"Yes, Representative Harris has not talked to me about this Amendment. I would suggest that we move it on to Third."

"The Gentleman from Vermilion, Representative Black."

"Thank you, very much, Mr. Speaker. I...I regret that Mr. Harris isn't here to offer his Amendment, I.. Representative it...all it does is, on the effective date of this Act, it 49  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE lllth Legislative Day just names the entire State of Illinois as an enterprise zone. Does that bother your underlying Bill?"

"Very little. I'm opposed to the Amendment that has not been discussed with me at this time, and I would suggest that the Sponsor is not here, and we move the Bill to Third Reading."

"Move to table the Amendment would be the proper..."

"Yes, okay, proper, I'm sorry."

"The Gentleman moves to table the Amendment #1. The Gentleman from DuPage, Representative McCracken."

"Thank you. I rise in objection and in opposition to the Motion to table. We often, accord each other some accommodation or courtesy. As a matter of fact, Representative Weller accorded such a courtesy on equally hostile Amendments just last week. Or maybe it was just Tuesday. I forgot but why not do it in this case, if you're not afraid of the Motion or the Amendment on the merits, why not just consider it. Representative Harris has been here today. I can't tell you where he is right now, but I'm sure he will be back momentarily. And I would ask you, Sir, to allow us to have this Amendment heard."

"The Gentleman from Jefferson, Representative Hicks."

"Thank you, very much, Mr. Speaker. You know, I think it's time, we do make Illinois an enterprise zone, make the whole thing. I stand in favor of the Gentleman's Amendment, and in opposition to the Motion, even though I support the Gentleman's Bill. Thank you."

"Gentleman from Williamson, Representative Woolard."

"My Motion still stands."

"Representative Piel." 50  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE lllth Legislative Day

"A couple things, Mr. Speaker. If the Gentleman I May 4, 1990 persists, would ask for a Roll Call. Second thing I would ask Mr. Woolard... Representative Woolard, we're still early in the process, it's not a situation where you know we're in last day, in the last minute. And I would ask Representative Woolard, you know...you know, pull back his objection to this Amendment, that he can fight this Amendment once the Sponsor is on the floor. But if we were on the last day, I could understand why he would object. But we're still early in the process and I don't think we need to get bogged down with fighting over a specific Amendment at this time. It's a...I would ask Representative Woolard to consider it that position. You know, Representative Harris or anybody in the House would afford a person in this...at this time a fair hearing on the Amendment. He's got the numbers over there. I would just ask him to wait until Representative Harris comes back on the floor. I think that would be the Gentlemanly thing to do at the present time. Thank you."

"Gentleman from Williamson, Representative Woolard."

"I really feel it's very important that I become a Gentleman, if I have not been in the past. And I intend to do that. Let's take it out of the record and give Representative Harris, the opportunity to present his Motion."

"Take the Bill out of the record, Mr. Clerk. Representative Davis, House Bill 3333. Lady from Cook. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3333, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Purchasing Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?' 51  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE lllth Legislative Day

"No Floor Amendments." May 4, 1990

"Third Reading. Representative Leverenz, 3367. Is the Gentleman in the chamber? Out of the record. Representative Novak, 3398. Representative Novak in the chamber? Out of the record. Representative Phelps, 3571. Representative Phelps. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3571, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act to improve the delivery of health care services. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee."

"Are there any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 3293, Representative Terzich. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3293, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act to create sanitary districts. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 3294. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3294, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act to create sanitary districts. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Representative Novak, 3398. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3398, a Bill for an Act in relation to employment. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments." 52  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE lllth Legislative Day May 4, 1990

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Representative Barnes. House Bill 3591, is the Lady in the chamber? Representative Barnes. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 3591, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Purchasing Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. ...On the Order of Education, Third Reading, I'm going to read the Bills off. I f any...we're not going to go to Third Reading but I'm going to read them off and if anybody wants to bring these Bills back to the Order of Second Reading for the purposes of an Amendment, please indicate. House Bill 2842, Representative Ropp. House Bill 2988, Representative Davis. House Bill 3109, Representative Preston, and House Bill 3151, Representative Leitch. Any of these Bill want to come back to Second Reading for the purposes of a Amendment? I f not, we'll leave them on Third Reading and next week we'll have it on Third Reading. Representative Davis."

"4208 has an Amendment, Sir."

"No, this is 2988. Okay. Alright, the same Order prevails on House Bills, Third Reading, Human Services. I'll read the Bill, read the Sponsor, if anybody wants to bring them back, please so indicate. House Bill 299, Representative Currie. House Bill 975, Representative Currie. Representative McCracken."

"229, I think. It was called out as 299, it's 229. Oh, it's 299. Okay."

"How about insurance, Representative Mautino, 53  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE lllth Legislative Day May 4, 1990 House Bill 569 and House Bill 2990. Do you want to bring them back for the purposes of an Amendment? That's all we're doing. Mr. Clerk, Committee Report."

"Corrected Committee Report. House Bill 3850 was reported out of the Committee on Mental Health in error, May 3. The Bill remains in committee. It was House Bill 3850."

"House Bill 1856, Representative Petka. Are you ready? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 1856, a Bill for an Act to amend the Park District Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

Speaker Giglio" "Third Reading. Alright, Representative Harris has returned to the chamber. Representative Woolard, want to hear this Bill? We're gonna go to Consent Calendar, Second Reading, Second Legislative Day. Representative Petka. Excuse me, Mr. Clerk. Representative Petka."

"Mr. Speaker, I would like to make a Motion at this time to remove one of my Bills which is currently on Consent Calendar, and place it on Third Reading, Short Debate. That is a..."

"Do the Gentleman have leave? What Bill number, Sir?"

"Bill number... House Bill number 3870, Mr. Speaker."

"3070."

"3870."

"3870. Remove the Bill from the... Gentleman's Motion is to remove the Bill from Short Debate...Consent Calendar and place it on Short Debate, Third Reading. Gentleman have leave? Hearing none, the leave is granted. Consent Calendar, Second Reading, Mr. Clerk." 54  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE lllth Legislative Day May 4, 1990

"House Bill 3117, a Bill for an Act designating the square dance as the American folk dance. Second Reading of the Bill. House Bill 3214, a Bill for an Act to amend the Foreign Banking Office Act. Second Reading of the Bill. House Bill 3352, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act relating to mortgage loans. Second Reading of the Bill. House Bill 3731, a Bill for an Act to amend the Uniform Disposition of Unclaimed Property Tax, together with Committee Amendment #1. Second Reading of the Bill. House Bill 3940, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. House Bill 3972, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. And House Bill 4157, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act to provide for controlled harvesting, together with Committee Amendment #1. Second Reading of the Bill."

"Third Reading. On the previous request that you come up in, put your Bill number on the yellow pads so we can go to those Bills. We're compiling that list at the moment, and some of those Bills will not be able to be heard because they are on Second Reading, First Legislative Day. So we'd have to wait until next week. So with that, we will go to Third Reading on the Legislative Calendar, Special Order of Business. Alright, on that Order of Business, on Education, Third Reading, Special Order of Business. I'll read the representatives and you will know the Bill's forth coming. This is Third Reading. Representative Ropp, Davis, Preston, and Leitch. So on that Order of Business, the first of the Bill's is 2842. Representative Ropp. Representative Ropp in the chamber? Out of the record. How about Representative Davis, on 2988. Alright, this is Third Reading. House Bill 2938..88. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2988, a Bill for an Act to amend the 55  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11lth Legislative Day May 4, 1990 School Code. Third Reading of the Bill."

"The Lady from Cook, Representative Davis."

"Thank you, Mr. Chairman... Mr. Speaker...2988 is a Bill that permits school boards across the State of Illinois and local school councils in the City of Chicago to make a determination with a majority vote if they want school uniforms in their schools, or if they want a dress code. We are asking the local school boards and the school councils to make that determination, and only if the subject is initiated by a parent group or an administrators group. We urge your 'aye' vote."

"Any discussion? The Gentleman from DuPage, Representative McCracken."

"I...I don't know if I'm opposed, I'm told that this Bill is not necessary to authorize adoption by local boards of the school uniform policy. Do you know if that's true, Representative Davis?"

"Well, the perception, Representative, is that it's a violation of First Amendment Rights to require that the students wear anything. And I feel that this piece of legislation will certainly clear up any questions that a local school council or a school board might have in reference to it's ability to do this."

"Well, I... I agree that some dress codes should be brought back in to public education. But if it's claim of Constitutional violation a statute does not even purport to address that. So I'm not sure that that's a good reason to pass that. But I understand your concerns. Thank you."

"Representative Hultgren."

"Thank you. Representative Davis, I supported this in committee because you made this voluntary, but I'm not so sure in reviewing it after committee that the Amendment didn't create another problem which I don't think you want 56  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE lllth Legislative Day May 4, 1990 to create. If you look at the Amendment, Representative, you..."

"There is no Amendment on this."

"Yes, you amended it in committee. You amended it in committee."

"We amended it to take the survey out. We had initially stated that the local school council or the local school board would survey parents and because of the opposition by the Illinois Superintendent or School Board Association, they felt that as duly elected representative of parents, they did not need to take surveys. Therefore we removed that from the Bill."

"Representative, the way it reads now, the school board may consider a uniform policy, but only upon the request of a parent or citizen group. And I'm not sure you want to tie the hands of the school board so that they can only consider a dress code or uniform policy upon the initiation of a citizen's group. And...and while I supported it in committee after you amended it, upon reflection, it looks to me like your Amendment may have created yet another problem. Do you understand where I'm going?"

"Well, I think I do. But let me ask you this, Representative. Don't you perceive that most school board members would certainly be in contact with, and very often supported by community groups, and if they wanted this issue initiated, they could certainly request that a group initiate it. For example, in my community we might, if no one brought it up, you might go to the Urban League and say 'what do you think about this?' And the Amendment, Representative Hultgren, includes parents or officials, so therefore the school board member would certainly be an official."

"Okay." 57  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE lllth Legislative Day

"Thank you."

May 4, 1990 "Gentleman from Cook, Representative Cullerton."

"Well, I think she answered the Representative's question. It's not the school board, as I understand it, it's the local school council. Is that right, Representative Davis? You want to allow the local school council if they wish..."

"That is correct. Yes, Sir."

"...to decide to have a uniform policy. And they don't have to."

"That's correct, Sir."

"And it's not require...it doesn't require the...an individual parent, you don't have an inquiry from the parent, they could do it on they're own if they want."

"They can do it, certainly on their own."

"And then you just want to pass this Bill, and not add Davis: any more Amendments to it." "Absolutely, no Amendments, Sir."

"Okay, thank you."

"We would just urge an 'aye' vote."

"Lady from DuPage, Representative Cowlishaw."

"Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Representative Davis, I would just like to ask you a question so we are certain what your legislative intent is."

"Yes." of of

"Because I have the same apprehension as Representative Hultgren about the language the Amendment. We certainly do not want to make this kind of policy possible for a local sch school council or board of education to adopt, only if the suggestion to do so comes from a citizen or someone other than those most intimately involved in arriving at those policies. Therefore, if you would just answer this question, as to what your intent of 58  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE lllth Legislative Day May 4, 1990 the interpretation of this Amendment should be. In the event that a superintendent of schools were to bring this suggestion a board of education, or a principal to a local school council, would that satisfy the requirements of this Amendment and could that council or board, thereby adopt a policy such as that to which as this Bill is directed?"

"If that occurred, they would...the principal would be considered an official at the attendant center, but the superintendent would not be considered an official at the attendant center."

"I'm taking about boards of education."

"Outside of Chicago, we don't have local school councils. And SO boards of education for them, for downstate school districts, the superintendent of school would be the one who would bring this kind of thing to the local board of education."

"Well, I don't think a superintendent would be considered an official at an attendant center."

"Well, they'll certainly be interested to find out that they're not officials at the school districts."

"No...No...Representative, at a school...at an attendant center. Now, a superintendent can certainly bring this issue to a board member, or his or her principal, who would initiate the vote on the...on the board...on the board. He could take it to any official, a superintendent, a principal, he could take this issue to them and they would take the vote on the local school council or the board of education. That local board would take the vote. If you're talking about initiating the discussion, he certainly would have the authority to initiate the discussion."

"Alright, I see that in fact, this Amendment was drafted with concern for an understanding of only the way 59  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE lllth Legislative Day things work in Chicago."

"No, I'm sorry."

"Because it says, if parents or May 4, 1990 officials of an individual attendant center request the school board to initiate. Consequently, an official of an individual attendant center, indeed could only be a principal and could not be a superintendent of schools, and so in down state school districts where nearly all policies are initiated by superintendents of schools, this kind of policy would have to come from a school principal rather than the superintendent, who is the chief executive officer hired by the board of education. I think there indeed is a problem with the language here, because downstate school districts in their adoption of policies don't work the same way as those kinds of things work in Chicago. Representative Davis, I think your concept is excellent, and although, there is...school districts can do this right now, Representative Davis, whether your Bill passes or whether it doesn't. But simply to call some attention to the possibility of having such dress codes, which frankly I think would be advisable, I think we ought to be more than willing to pass this Bill. But I think Representative Davis, we ought to ask you to give us your pledge that you would be willing to work with us on a possible Amendment in the Senate to make more clear who it is who may initiate a consideration of such a policy. If you would be willing to do that, I certainly think we would be more than glad to work with you.

"Further discussion? Gentleman from Cook, Representative McNamara."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield for a question?"

"Yes." 60  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE lllth Legislative Day

"She indicates she will." May 4, 1990

"It is may understanding that what your intent is, is merely to try to enforce the idea school boards...school councils may make this policy. Is that correct?"

"That is correct, Representative."

"So, therefore, even though some people may not think that it is supposed to be in law, they already had the authority. What you're trying to do is highlight to those school council members who figured they did not have the authority, just to lineate that so that they may everything about it and they can make this policy decision."

"Absolutely correct, Sir."

"To the...to the Bill, I think this is a fine incentive in order to allow the local choice situation of school boards to make the decisions for their children, as far as uniforms, and I urge we all support it."

"Further discussion? The Gentleman from McHenry, Representative Klemm."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield for a question?"

"She indicates she will."

"Years ago, Representative Davis, when I was president of a board of education, we had school dress codes, in fact, we even regulated the length of hair and all that. And we abolished all that as years went by, and in fact, the United States Supreme Court, I think, in the late sixties, early seventies, I think had a decision that you could not discriminate against young people who had blue jeans, wearing to school in spite of a dress code. And so in our school district, 'Collar' County...Cook... McHenry County area, we did away with it, and we found in our studies that we didn't find any more educational benefits whether they had blue jeans on, or Dockers or any other thing that you 61  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 111th Legislative Day May 4, 1990 or the school committee would like to have. I was just wondering, since the law hasn't been changed as far as the school code is concerned, why we even need this if you can do it yourself, and really do you think it's gonna pass any Constitutional challenge or question about it? Okay."

"Well, Representative, we have found that when students are dressed for the occasion, they usually rise to the occasion. And they're successful...well..."

"Well, we didn't find that before. Is this some new evidence, some new studies you've found. Because we found..."

"My experience as an educator, my experience as a mother, and my experience as a grandmother and in observing those schools that are deemed successful, we find that very often students do wear uniforms. We also..."

"Alright, we didn't find that in studies other than a personal feeling that you had, because I guess I have been an educator, a school board member, a president of a board, all these good things that you said you are, I was, too. I didn't find that. I just wondering...that was the only thing I was lacking, but I like apple pie , so it makes up for it."

"A grandmother...or just a mother. That's alright. Well..."

"Are you finished?"

"Yea, I guess so, since the answer...the question was..."

"We have a few more people who want to talk about this, but before we get that, the Chair would like to introduce one of its former Members, a Gentleman who was from the Springfield area and who's now travelling all over the world. Let's welcome, former Representative Dave Robinson, he's talking to Representative Satterthwaite over 62  lllth Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 4, 1990 there. Dave, raise your hand. Representative McCracken."

"Representative Cowlishaw had asked a question and...and I think inadvertently, she didn't get an answer. Would you recognize her just for that purpose."

"Representative Cowlishaw."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I recognize that the fact that you just went on to the next person before Representative...could...Davis could answer was just an inadvertent oversite. Representative Davis, I asked you if you would be willing in the Senate, to try to work on an Amendment to this Bill so that it would not exclude a suggestion from a superintendent of schools in a downstate school district, from being that sort of initiative that could result in a policy like this."

"I would have no problem in working with you on that."

"Thank you, very much. That's all I wanted to know. Thank you, Mr. Spea..."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Young. Anthony Young."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I rise in support of this Bill, some of the questions that were asked by Representative Klemm, I think I can help as to why there is a need for this. Now one of the...everyone is aware of the serious gang problem we have in our public schools in Chicago, and one of the ways that the gangs identify each other these days, is through the way they dress, through certain colors, thought certain clothes and styles, and one of the things of wearing uniforms or having a uniform dress code will do, will take some of the gang identifications out of the schools. And for that reason, I think everyone in the House should support this measure."

"Further discussion? The Lady from Cook, 63  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE lllth Legislative Day Representative Davis to close." May 4, 1990

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I think we have an environment very often in our schools, that does not allow students to recognize we're here for serious business. Policemen wear uniforms, fireman wear uniforms, airline pilots, stewardess, most of us when we are about the business of doing our work wear uniforms. It will eliminate, as Anthony Young stated, the gang colors in a school, it will help to provide safety by letting a teacher or an adult realize if someone is in the building, not wearing what he or she should be wearing. It will also eliminate children wanting the expensive designer clothing that other students have. In some situations, children are attending the same center where they have a vast difference in the economic circumstances, and children should not have to sit in class and feel differently. It isn't going to be mandated in every school, it is going to based upon the needs of that attendant center. When this Bill goes to the Senate, we will be happy to discuss the concerns that Representative Cowlishaw has. And I beg you for an 'aye' vote. Thank you."

"All those in favor of House Bill 2988, vote 'aye', those opposed 'nay'. The voting is open. This is final action. Have all voted who wish? Have voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk. Mulcahey, 'aye'. Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 107 voting 'yes', 3 voting 'no', 6 voting 'present'. On House Bill 2988, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 3109, Representative Preston. Out of the record. House Bill 3155, Representative Leitch. Third Reading. 3151. Do you want this Bill heard on Third Reading, Sir? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill." 64  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE lllth Legislative Day

May 4, 1990 "House Bill 3151, a Bill for an Act to amend sections of the School Code. Third Reading of the Bill."

"The Gentleman from Peoria, Representative Leitch."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This Bill is necessary as a result of a Federal District court case, concerning a voting rights law suit in Peoria. It's a Bill that's necessary to implement the terms of that agreement there is no statutory language for that, and this Bill very simply provides the mechanism for the board to comply with the district agreement. And I would appreciate a favorable Roll Call."

"Any discussion? Hearing none, all those in favor of House Bill 31...excuse me, the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Cullerton."

"Okay. No, I have no questions. Thank you."

"Alright, all those in favor of House Bill 3151, vote 'aye', opposed 'nay'. The voting is open. This is final action. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, 11l voting 'yes', none voting 'no', none voting 'present'. House Bill 3151, having received the required Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On the Order of Second Reading appears the Bills that were on the yellow pad that we have the sheet, SO we'll proceed House Bill 493, Repres... Representative Weller. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 493, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Vehicle Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee."

"Are there any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?" 65  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11lth Legislative Day May 4, 1990

"Floor Amendment #2, offered by Representative Weller."

"Representative Weller."

"Mr. Speaker, please withdraw the Amendment."

"Withdraw Amendment #2. Are there further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #3, offered by Representative Weller."

"Representative Weller."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This Amendment is just a simple, technical, clean-up Amendment. I move for it's adoption."

"Any discussion on the Amendment? Hearing none, all those in favor signify by saying 'aye', opposed 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. The Amendment's adopted. Are there further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2619, Representative Steczo. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2619, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act concerning aquariums and museums in public parks. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Representative Anthony Young. 2921. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2921, a Bill for an Act to amend the Public Utilities Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?" 66  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE lllth Legislative Day

"No Floor Amendments." May 4, 1990

"Third Reading. Representative Stern, 2972. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2972, a Bill for an Act concerning determination of death. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2985, Representative Weller. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2985, a Bill for an Act to amend the Liquor Control Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #1, offered by Representative Anthony Young."

"Representative Anthony Young on Amendment #1, on House Bill 2985. Withdraw the Amendment, Mr. Clerk. Are there further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2, offered by Representative Weller."

Speaker Giglio" "Representative Weller on Amendment #2."

"Please withdraw."

"Withdraw Amendment #2. Are there further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #3, offered by Representative Weller."

"Amendment #3."

"Please withdraw."

"Withdraw Amendment #3, Mr. Clerk. Are there further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #4, offered by Representative Weller." 67  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 11lth Legislative Day

May 4, 1990 "Representative Weller on Amendment #4."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Amendment #4 is...addresses the concerns of Representative Young. And changes the penalty to a second offense. I would be happy to answer any questions. I move for it's adoption."

"Any discussion on Amendment #4? Hearing none, all those in favor of this Amendment #...the Gentleman from DuPage, Representative McCracken on Amendment #4."

"Is it my Amendment? It's your Amendment, right. No, I'm sorry."

"Represen...alright, Representative Mautino."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Gentleman yield?"

"He indicates he will."

"Representative, if I remember correctly, Amendment #4 will provide for the parents to be slapped with a felony charge if their children, if a child under 21...a person under 21, has a...has a...any trace of alcohol, under any circumstances. Is that correct? You want to make the...make the parents lia...felony charge. Is that right?"

"Representative Weller. Weller. Representative Weller."

"The question there addresses the concerns brought to me by Representative Young. It increases the penalty to a felony upon the conviction of a second offense. A later Amendment addresses the parental aspect that you're asking about."

"Your intention then is to make...to allow for felony charges to be encumbering...encompassing 4 and 7 together, you're establishing felony charges against the parents."

"Mr...or...Representative, currently under law, parents would be subject to a Class A Misdemeanor for the circumstances that you're describing. This Amendment what 68  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE lllth Legislative Day May 4, 1990 it does upon the conviction, second conviction would make it a felony."

"Representative Mautino."

"What we have...we have some interesting concepts coming up in the subject matter. We want to make felons of parents who provide a decision in their own home setting, and today's newspaper says we are going to put a bounty on anybody who calls in for a person for a possible DUI. Maybe next week we could have you turn in the nose and the ears for a bounty, and if the nose is red, you end up as a felon as well. I don't understand why we want to make parents felons for something that they really have no control over, on a 20 or...20...person under 21, who could conceivably be in college or in the armed services and I'm just raising some questions."

"Speaker Madigan in the Chair."

"Alright we will finish this side up. Giglio back in the Chair. Representative Weller."

"Mr. Speaker, just to close. I think Representative Mautino..."

"You're not ready to close. There are some other people seeking recognition. I'm sorry, I thought you were answering Representative Mautino's question. The Gentleman from Fulton, Representative Homer."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Representative Mautino, I just wanted to clarify, I don't have a position on the Gentleman's Bill, but I think you might want to be for his Amendment. The Bill itself, would make...change the violation from a Class A Misdemeanor to a Class 4 Felony. That's what the Bill would do. His Amendment wants to water that down and say only on a second or subsequent conviction. Now, you might be against his Bill altogether, but his Amendment softens the Bill, and in fact, 69  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE lllth Legislative Day May 4, 1990 Representative Young, Tony Young, has the identical Amendment in Amendment #6, he is going to offer to water down the Bill. So I don't know if that changes your position. But I think you actually would rather have...if the Bill passed, you would rather have it pass with this Amendment. Now, you may not want the Bill to pass, but in any event I intend to support the Gentleman's Amendment."

"The Gentleman from Macon, Representative Dunn."

"Will the Sponsor yield for a question?"

"He indicates he will."

"There is in the original Bill a deletion of language in the current law on page four of the Bill, lines 12 thru 16, is this Amendment do anything with regards to that language?"

"Representative, it...that issue is addressed in Amendment #7 where it restores that language, so that question will be addressed in a later Amendment."

"Amendment #4, now what...so for informational purpose, Amendment #7 will put this language back in the Bill?"

"Correct."

"Current law. Now, then what does Amendment #4 change...a felony for a second conviction? Does it do anything else? Alright, thank you."

"Yes. Amendmen...that's correct. No."

"Further discussion? Representative Novak."

"Yes, will the Sponsor yield?"

"Yea, indicates he will."

"Jerry, I'm a little confused, well your Amendment #7 deletes the felony charge to a parent. If my 20 year old son comes home from school and I give him a glass of wine, around the dinner table at Christmas time, will it delete a felony charge for a situation like that, should it occur?"

"Representative Novak, this Amendment #4, as 70  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE lllth Legislative Day May 4, 1990 Representative Homer pointed out, waters down the penalty currently under this language...this legislation it would be an automatic Class IV Felony. What we do is, we changed it with this Amendment to make it a second sebsequent offense, upon that conviction to be eligible for a felony. Amendment #7 restores the parental provision, that is in the law."

"And the parental provision in the law is a misdemeanor, correct?"

"Under the parental provision, the current law there's an exception allowing for young people under the supervision of their parents. And that is being restored in Amendment #7."

"Okay. Alright."

"Further discussion? Hearing none, Representative Weller to close."

"Okay, thank you, Mr. Speaker. This Amendment addresses concerns brought to me by Members of the...of the committee and so who had supported the Bill. I believe that this Amendment also addresses the concerns of the House. I move for it's adoption. I ask for your support."

"Heard the Gentleman's Motion. All those in favor of the Amendment signify by saying 'aye', opposed 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. The Amendment's adopted. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #5, offered by Representative Weller."

"Representative Weller."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Amendment #5 addresses concerns brought up doing the committee hearing regarding the high rate of recidivism for young people with alcohol or drug problems. This addresses efforts to be looked into as ways to reduce the recidivism and this amendment addresses that. 71  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE lllth Legislative Day I move for it's adoption." May 4, 1990

"Any discussion on this Amendment? Hearing none, all those in favor of the Amendment, signify by saying 'aye', opposed 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. The Amendment's adopted. Are there further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #6, offered by Representative Anthony Young."

"Withdraw Amendment #6, Mr. Clerk. Are there further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #7, offered by Representative Weller."

"Representative Weller on Amendment #7."

"Mr. Speaker, Floor Amendment #7 addresses the question that Representative Novak brings up. It restores the parental exemption that was currently in the law, and was mistakenly deleted in the Bill. I move for it's adoption."

"Any discussion on the Amendment? Hearing none, all those...the Gentleman from Fulton, Representative Homer."

"Thank you. I support the Amendment, all it does is restore the provision that's already in current law. It says that an under age person cannot be prosecuted if they drank under the supervision of their parents, and that's the current law. The Bill has taken that out and the Gentleman now in Amendment 7, wants to put it back. So, I think that makes some sense and I would support it."

"All those in favor of the Amendment, signify by saying 'aye', opposed 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. The Amendment's adopted. Are there further Amendments?"

"There are no further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Speaker Madigan in the Chair." 72  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE lllth Legislative Day

"On page 45 of the Calendar, on May 4, 1990 the Order of Motions, there appears House Bill 339, on a Motion by Mr. Kubik. Mr. Kubik."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I would move to discharge the Executive Committee from further consideration and advance to the Order of Second Reading. House Bill 339, as amended, is a...the Property Tax Levy Limitation Act which would limit property taxes to a five percent increase or a cost of living increase which ever is less. It would also say that any increase over five percent would be...have to go to referendum. The reason I'm discharging it is because, when I was in Executive Committee, we started with enough Members, but by the time we got to our Bill, many of the other Members had left, I felt that we needed a full hearing on this. And I think this may be your only chance to vote on property tax reform in this Session. So I would urge your support of this discharge Motion."

"The Chair recognizes the Chairman of the committee, Mr. Terzich."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker. The Executive Committee did hear this Bill and I don't know whether or not the Sponsor did know this, but we did have full compliment of committee members present. I believe his Bill received eight or nine votes. We heard, properly heard and he was given all the courtesys of the committee hearing and therefore I would suggest that we vote 'no' on the Motion to Discharge. The Bill received a fair hearing and he didn't receive the required number of votes."

"Mr. McCracken."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the maker of the Motion yield for a question? Mr. Kubik, I have been told, and I wasn't present so I will defer to you, I have been told 73  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE lllth Legislative Day May 4, 1990 that when the word got out that this was Jim Edgar's tax limitation proposal, the Democrats rushed out the door. As a matter of fact, one of them tripped and hit his head. Is that right? In their haste to get out of the hearing room."

"Well, I didn't see that. Well, Representative McCracken, I was busy presenting the Bill to notice that anybody banged their head on the way out of the committee room. I did however, notice that there was a distinct lack of Members within the confines of the committee room. The Republican Members seemed to be there but we had a lack of Democratic Members."

"Well, I think that for too long, property tax relief has been mired in partisan politics and I suggest the following so that both sides can take credit for doing the right thing. You guys move on your Property Tax Limitation Bills, we'll move on our Tax Limitation Bills, and if both of them pass, the tax payers are better off. They're better off that way then they are getting nobody's Property Tax Relief Bill heard or passed. Which appears to be what we're doing. Your attempts in the past, have broken down here, but even if they hadn't we were told in no uncertain terms by the Senate President, that your tax relief proposal would not pass the Senate. Let's do something for the tax payers, let's do the right thing for the tax payers, discharge this Bill, we'll consider everybody's Tax Limitation Plan. We won't discriminate. Let's do it that way and we can use Representative Kubik's Bill as the vehicle."

"Representative Currie."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. I rise to oppose the Gentleman's Motion. Although this Bill was not heard in the Revenue Committee, it might well have 74  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE lllth Legislative Day May 4, 1990 been, I am chairing the task force on property tax issues. As you know we had property tax reform proposals before us in January. I believe it was people from the party of the prior Speaker who killed those proposals in January. What I sense is a flip-flopping on property tax questions, just because it's an election year. I think we would be well advised to look at all property tax relief and reform measures in a calm and measured fashion. Therefore, I think it's a mistake to move this Bill to Second Reading at this time. But I certainly would invite both Representative Kubik and Representative McCracken to work with me and other of our colleagues on the Property Tax Task Force, so that we can present some reasoned and sensible proposals to all the Members of this chamber."

"Representative Parcells."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As the Minority Spokesman on this committee, Representative McCracken is exactly right, there was a fast exodus because the Democrats did not want to be shown that they against a good, very good property tax relief Bill. And you better be very careful here and I'm surprised I'm being amassed exodus at this time. Because this will be used against you. This is good property tax reform, and when you vote 'no', which you are getting the message right now to vote 'no'. It's going to look like you don't you don't care about your constituates, and you don't care about their property tax problems. Let's debate these things right here on the floor. Bring this Bill out, let's debate it if it has faults, amend it properly, but let's give credit where credit is due. This a good Bill. There were nine people sitting there, on a committee that's about 23 people 'cause the rest had all left in a flurry. And I think it should be heard on this House Floor, and I hope you will vote 'aye' for this 75  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE lllth Legislative Day Motion."

"Mr. Johnson."

May 4, 1990 "Well, there's alot of rhetoric in a...in a election year. and any other year about taxes. This is an opportunity to probably cast the only Bill... vote of the Session on real tax relief. Jim Edgar has said 'willing to his money where his mouth is' and join with Representative Kubik in providing real tax relief for the people of Illinois. So that when this Roll Call is recorded, the people of Illinois and in each on of your districts gonna know who really is in support of tax relief and who isn't. The biggest message to be...that I've received and that I think most others received over the last two years is we want real meaningful tax relief in the State of Illinois, not election year rhetoric, but meaningful tax relief. This Bill does it. Secretary Edgar has put his stamp of approval and support on this legislation. So when the Roll Call goes up here, this is a substantive Roll Call, and people are going ot know where everybody stands on the issue of tax relief. It's a good Bill, and it ought to be discharged."

"Representative Didrickson."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the chamber. A question of the maker of the Motion, please."

"Mr. Kubik."

"Representative Kubik, you and I worked on a number of property tax issues over the last couple of years and have agreed that those of us in Cook County, in particular, probably the most hated tax, is property taxes, and the least fair. But I'm curious because Representative on the other side of the aisle mentioned the fact that there is going to task force, and I'm curious about the make up of the task force. I know I had a Bill in labor and commerce 76  lllth Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 4, 1990 with regards to testing in the work place, and I understand there is going to be task force on drug related Bills in the work force. And I'm not certain that there are any Republican Members on that task force, in fact I'm told that there probably won't be. And I'm not certain my issue will get a fair hearing. Have you been informed of the make-up of this task force on property taxes? Are there Republican Members? Will your Bill have a hearing in that task force?"

"Well, Representative Didrickson, I'm the...as you may know I'm the Republican spokesman on the Revenue Committee, so an obvious choice to take part in any task force. I have not received in an invitation to participate in any task force. I will give my colleague, Representative Currie, the benefit of the doubt. And think that perhaps maybe the invitation got lost in the mail, but as of yet have not received any...an invitation to participate nor have any of my Bills been considered. This is the only Bill, I think, that will be a vehicle for real tax relief and tax limitation."

"Well, then I appreciate your comment. I certainly hope the other side of the aisle has heard the concern that many of us have on a couple of very important issues, property taxes being one, with regards to task forces. Thank you."

"Mr. Terzich to close."

"Well again, Mr. Speaker, that's the same presentation that was basically campaign rhetoric before, that this Bill did receive a fair hearing. It's unfortunate that they didn't have enough votes. Then I'm sure that there is a good Democratic proposal that resolve property tax reform in the State of Illinois."

"Mr. Kubik. Mr. Kubik." 77  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE lllth Legislative Day

May 4, 1990 "Thank you, Mr. Speaker. First of all I'd like a Roll Call on this particular Motion. I think that would be in order, a Roll Call would be in order. I just would like to say, that in closing on being the maker of the Motion, in closing. This is probably the only vote we're going to have on property tax limitation, probably the most important issue that we're going to face in the 1990 election. I'm not a johnny-come-lately to this issue, I've been very, very active in property tax reform and the whole issue of property tax. This is my only vehicle to bring that message forward, and to vote on some significate relief for property tax payer through out the State of Illinois. I would appreciate your support on this discharge Motion. And thank you, Mr. Speaker."

"The question is, 'Shall the Motion be adopted?' Those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question there are 55 'ayes', 10 'nos'. The Chair recognizes Representative Kubik."

"Take the Poll of the Absentees, Mr. Speaker."

"The Clerk shall Poll the Absentees."

Giglio. "Poll those not voting. Balanoff. DeLeo. Dunn. Krska. McGann, Morrow. Homer. Johnson. Munizzi. Trotter. Williams. And Wyvetter Younge."

"On this question, there are 55 'ayes', 10 'nos'. The Motion fails. House Bill 389, The Chair recognizes Mr. Regan."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. I move to discharge from the Executive Committee, House Bill 3...or from Jud I, House Bill 389. I'm sure that if all the Members had been in attendance, it would have gotten the 78  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE lllth Legislative Day May 4, 1990 one more vote it needed to get to the House Floor. This considers a husband that strangled his wife in front of his two kids, went to jail, came out and got custody of these two children back again, and since now has beat up on a live-in girlfriend and the children are missing at this time. It simply says the judge must take that under serious consideration, before he gives consideration back to one spouse that's murdered the other. I move for its discharge."

"The Gentleman moves to discharge the Judiciary Committee. The Chair recognizes the Chairman of the committee, Mr. Dunn."

"Thank you, Mr. Chairman...Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I rise in opposition to the Gentleman's Motion. As you can note from the board that this Bill has a low number, and if I recall correctly may even been heard last year. Whether it was or was not, we had plenty of meeting time this spring, the Gentleman had a opportunity for a hearing, did have a hearing, as did all other people who have requested their Bills to be heard in Judiciary I Committee. His Bill failed and it's the Sponsor's duty to round up the votes to get a Bill passed. There are short-comings to this Legislation, it's emotional as he indicated, but there are some people who have a sincere interest in good government who think it would be unwise policy to set this precedent in form of statute. I would indicate this is the only Motion filed to discharge House Judiciary I Committee, and we adjourned with no friction, no fights, and I think everyone went away from the committee satisfied they had...good hearing. This Gentleman did as well. So, I would a defeat of this Motion."

"The question is, 'Shall the Motion be adopted?' 79  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE lllth Legislative Day May 4, 1990 All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question there are 53 'ayes', 42 'nos'. The Motion fails. The Chair would like to introduce a former Member, currently a Circuit Court Judge, former Representative Dick Brummer. Now, Judge Brummer. Don't throw any vegtables. House Bill 632. Representative Breslin."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen, I move to discharge the House Energy and Environment Committee on House Bill 632. This was a Bill that was in interim study last year. The...it had a hearing a year ago, it failed in committee. The people that were involved in it were the Illinois Migrant Council, and the Legal Assistance Foundation, they worked on it over the summer, they had come back with an Amendment to severely limit the Bill and the Chair did not post the Bill, in spite of the fact that it was requested three times to be posted for a second hearing. And the Chair knew at the time, that the Bill had an Amendment, and a lot of work had been done over the summertime. So I believe that the people interested in this Bill have a right to have a hearing on this Legislation. I therefore, to discharge the committee."

"The Chairman of the Committee, Mr. Kulas."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentleman of the House. It seems like I've been the center of controversy this last week in these chambers. I've been compared to Gorbachev, I've been chastised on the House Floor, I've been chastised in committee, I've even been blamed for having...our having to work today. In all...all this is because I was following the rules and I thought I was doing a conscientious job as Chairman of a committee. You know, 80  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE lllth Legislative Day May 4, 1990 there are about 20 different discharge Motions in my committee, so instead of taking up the time of the House, maybe I'll just make my statement now, and then we won't have to repeat this after each Member gets up. I will be opposing each Motion to discharge my committee. You know one of the first things I learned when I came to these chambers, was that when another Member gets up and starts praising you, and telling you how much respect he has for you, how well intentioned your legislation is, etc., etc. You better watch out, because he's coming after you. So I would just like to say to Representative Breslin, Representative Regan, Representative Hensel, Representative Balanoff, Representative Currie, Representative Morrow, Representative Homer, Representative Klemm, Representative Hannig, Representative Hallock, Representative Currie, Representative Ropp, Representative Hasara. I have alot of respect for you. And I think that alot...you've got alot of good Bills here, they're well intentioned, but this is not the time or place to hear these Bills. I would ask my colleagues to support and I intend to support the Chairman of each committee's position on discharge of committees. I have respect for the committee system. I have respect for the Chairman, and I will ask you to follow my lead to vote 'no' or 'present' on these discharge Motions. I will also ask you to please vote your own switches, otherwise I will be verifying these Roll Calls. Thank you."

"The question is, 'Shall the Motion be adopted?' Those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Representative Breslin to explain her vote."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen. I did not have an opportunity to close, but I think it should be noted that when other Chairs get up to object to Motions to 81  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE lllth Legislative Day May 4, 1990 discharge, those Chairs posted those Bills in committee, and they got a hearing. These Bills never got a hearing, and it wasn't as if it was done to every single Bill. This Chair picked out 40 Bills that he decided we were going to hear, and rejected all the others on his own Motion. I don't think that's appropriate. I specifically believe that we are all 'copable', if we can go back to our communities that celebrated Earth Day, just two weeks ago, and say that we spent our time and we held hearing on whether or not the square dance ought to be the state dance, and we didn't have time to discuss the important issues surrounding solid waste management, etc., etc., etc. This is a message that we're sending to the citizen's of Illinois, and it's not a good one."

"The Clerk shall take the Roll."

"On this question there are 27 'ayes', 62 'nos', the Motion fails."

"House Bill 1044, Mr. Cullerton. Out of the record, please. Take this matter out of the record. House Bill 1050, Mr. Weller."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I move to discharge from the Revenue Committee, House Bill 1050. Ladies and Gentlemen, House Bill 1050, establishes a drug free youth check-off on you income tax form. The reason that I ask for this legislation be discharged from committee, is because this will be the only vehicle, the only opportunity we have to establish this check-off. And if you're looking for alternative ways to provide funding for education and prevention program to eliminate the surge of drugs in your community. This will be your only opportunity. It's simple, Ladies and Gentlemen, all citizens will have to do on their tax refund, is contribute a portion of that to they're...to drug education and prevention program right in 82  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE lllth Legislative Day May 4, 1990 your community. We can increase funding for drug education and prevention programs without a tax increase, with House Bill 1050. This is the only vehicle we have in which to do this. So I urge your positive vote."

"Representative Currie."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. I rise in opposition to the Gentleman's Motion. He had every opportunity to present the Bill to the Revenue Committee, he did not appear to do so, and I think that it would violate the whole point of the committee system to support him in this Motion. Just should he think that there might be any tinge of partisanship in my comment, I would like for the record to point out that a very similar Bill sponsored by one of my Democratic colleagues did not come out of the Revenue Committee either. There will be plenty of oppor...other opportunities through out the spring Session to consider proposals like this and like others that might be on the list of...of exemptions...Motions this afternoon, but I would urge my colleagues to oppose this Motion on House Bill 1050."

"On the Motion, Mr. Stephens."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Of all the Bills that are stuck in committee, right now this has to be the least controversial. I see no reason why we can't...I know some of us have long standing positions about moving Bills out on discharge, but this Bill is absolutely noncontroversial. The Gentleman has pledged to keep it just like it is, and I see...I think we ought to get this Bill out to the floor and off to the Senate as soon as possible."

"Mr. Kubik."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I reluctantly rise in opposition to the Motion. The Representative did come in for a hearing on the Bill, 83  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE lllth Legislative Day May 4, 1990 and he did lose the Bill. So, I did...I do think he did get a fair hearing on the legislation, he did not get enough votes to pass. And I would as Spokesman of the Revenue Committee, I would reluctantly rise in opposition to the Motion."

"Mr. Weller."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, to close. Ladies and Gentlemen, this is the only opportunity to provide increased funding for education and prevention programs against drug abuse in your communities without a tax increase. This would be a voluntary check-off on your income tax form. Yes, the Bill did get a hearing in committee, however there weren't enough Members to vote 'aye' to get it out of committee. This is not controversial, this is important. Everyone recognize the number one problem affecting everyone of our communities is drugs. This is an opportunity to do something about it. This is an opportunity to provide additional revenue without a tax increase. I urge your 'aye' vote. Thank you."

"I missed one person seeking recognition, so we will have one more speaker, Mr. Mautino."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. For the edification of the Sponsor of this legislation, let me correct a misstatement that you have provided, in your evaluation of why you want that Bill out. I would like to inform you that this House passed and the Governor signed the increase in the licensure fee that goes into effect July 1, 1990. The fee goes from $75 per retail establishments in this state to a $125, that $50 goes into this fund, that you are now trying to tell people there's no way to get new money for this same purpose. The Sponsor of that Amendment is Representative Didrickson. She would enlighten you as well, that on January 1st, you get into this fund $50 times 84  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE lllth Legislative Day May 4, 1990 22,200 and some licenses, you get an awful lot of money. And you are not correct in your evaluation of funding this particular program. I stand in opposition to the Bill."

"Those in favor of the Motion vote 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question there are 48 'ayes', 41 'nos', the Motion fails."

"Mr. Barger. The Gentleman does not wish to call the Bill. House Bill 1173, Mr. Barger.

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. discharge... (malfunction of tape)" I move to

"from committee that you can get a hearing at...ah the fellows are all warmed to one another, very congenial to one another. There should be no trouble with you getting ah decent hearing at the..."

"Mr. Giorgi. Mr. Giorgi."

"And Sir, we've posted every Bill that was one com...posted every Bill. So, we don't have a valid claim."

"Mr. Barger. Mr. Barger."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen I... this Bill was posted, I know it was. There was only one hearing day for labor and commerce this time. There were several very long Bills that were presented where witnesses came from various parts of the state. And I let mine last...ah let my Bills set until the last figuring that we would give the witnesses an opportunity to be heard. This Bill is a Bill trying to rectify a problem in the State of Illinois where we waste $25 billion a year on the employees who are using illegal drugs. This makes it...this is a safety Bill it will allow employers an opportunity to discharge drug users, but totally in compliance with the Federal Rules and Regulations. I think this Bill does deserve to be heard and the reason that I did not present it in committee was 85  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE lllth Legislative Day May 4, 1990 because there were several other Bills where the witnesses had come from a long distance and also had a right to be heard. I would appreciate your consideration. Thank you."

"Those in favor of the Motion vote 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted who wish. Have all voted who wish. The Clerk shall take the record. On this question there are 50 'ayes', 32 'nos'. The Motion fails. House Bill 2023, Representative Breslin."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen, House Bill 2023 had it had a hearing would have been amended to be very noncontroversial and take care of a judicial proceeding that is difficult under the Environmental Protection Act. As far as I know, the Amendment was not controversial and I believed would have been adopted and would have come to the floor. However, again the Chair of the Environment Committee refused to allow a hearing on the Bill. I move to discharge the Bill. I'd move..."

"The Chair of the committee, Mr. Kulas."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Again, I rise to oppose the Lady's Motion to discharge to committee. I did not hear from any Sponsor, they never came to see me about a Bill. This is not a Bill of an emergency nature. And I would urge a 'no' or 'present' vote."

"All those in favor of the Motion signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record." On this question, there are 38 'ayes', 47 'nos'. And the Motion fails. House Bill 2027, Representative Breslin."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen, this Bill, House Bill 2027 is of a very serious nature and creates the Solid Waste Reduction Act. It would impose a fee on containers sold in the State of Illinois, in an 86  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE lllth Legislative Day May 4, 1990 attempt to encourage the use of recycled products and recyclable containers and would create the newly...create a packaging board to administer it. This, I believe, is being considered on the national level, has the support of the municipal league. The Bill did not get a hearing in committee. It was...the...we requested that it get that hearing. I move to discharge the committee."

"Mr. Kulas."

"Again, Mr. Speaker, I would oppose the Lady's Motion. There are a lot of packaging/recycling Bills that were introduced. There's a Task Force on Recycling. I would urge a 'no', 'present' vote."

"Those in favor of the Motion signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question, there are 37 'ayes', 50 'nos'. The Motion fails. House Bill 2476, Mr. Ewing. Mr. Ewing. House Bill 2760, Mr. Wennlund. Take that matter out of the record. House Bill 2860, Mr. McAuliffe. Take that matter out of the record. House Bill 2908, Mr. Cullerton. Mr. Cullerton."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I move to discharge the Revenue Committee. Mr. Speaker, the Revenue Committee has an excellent subcommittee structure. And, the way it works is you go to the subcommittee and you present your Bill and that's where the testimony is heard. This particular Bill was passed out of the subcommittee with an agreement that there would be certain Amendments put on in the full committee. I did not attend the Revenue Committee, the full committee, and did not bring my witnesses with me. I understand the Amendment was put on, but unfortunately, the full committee, in what I understand is not a common occurrence, decided not to pass the Bill out. So, I appeal to you from the point of view of the procedures, which 87  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE lllth Legislative Day May 4, 1990 I...I encourage the subcommittees to a structure to work in the Revenue Committee. But then I would also encourage the full committee to support the subcommittee. The Bill deals with refunds of utility bills. It's a very progressive piece of legislation. And I would appreciate your vote on the Motion.to discharge."

"Representative Currie."

"Thank you Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. I think that subcommittee procedures work exactly the way they're supposed to. But on the merits, I personally, support the Gentleman's Bill. So, while it's unusual for a Chairman to support a discharge Motion from her committee. And, although this topic, the subject matter of House Bill 2908, is not one the Revenue Committee ordinarily hears. I do believe the Members of the committee did know the issue, did understand it and voted their consciences. Unfortunately, the Sponsor didn't get quite enough votes. But, because I'm for his Bill, I personally am going to vote 'yes' on his discharge Motion."

"Mr. McCracken."

"Now, I have no position on the merits of this Bill. I have no idea what this Bill even does. Someone said it's about rate making. I don't even know what that word means. But, I can tell you this, if you believe in the integrity of the system. You will ignore the last Speaker's remarks and not confine yourself to the merits of the legislation. That's not what is at issue today. What is at issue today is the integrity of the system. The Chairman of the committee acknowledges that this Bill had a fair hearing but didn't get the required number of votes. Yet, because of the subject matter she would like us to ignore those rules of procedure. Well, I say we can't do it. I was the one that stood up Tuesday and asked Chairman Kulas to post 88  111th Legislative Day all of those Bills or else to waive the posting requirement. I stand by that, but I will not support discharge Motions, particularly where they had a fair hearing and the only problem was the lack of a prevailing vote. Period. That's the only problem with this Bill. Now, we should not be supporting this Motion. This Motion strikes at the integrity of the committee system as surely as anything else that has happened this week. A discharge Motion is not the remedy, particularly in this case. I stand in opposition."

"Mr. Kubik."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. As the spokesman on the Revenue Committee, I suppose I will stand up for the integrity of the committee system. Because the Chairman, obviously will not. This Bill did receive a fair hearing. And, quite frankly, Representative Cullerton's representation, that Bills which are passed out of the subcommittee normally are passed by the full committee, is simply not the case. This was a...a...a vote where there was a division on the question or there was a difference of opinion. That Bill has to come before the committee and has to be decided by the full committee. The subcommittee system worked in this case. I think the committee system worked in this case. Unfortunately, the votes were not there for Representative Cullerton's Bill. So, as a consequence the Bill was never called. I might point out that I think that we ought to forget the merits of the legislation, we ought to just simply vote on whether the committee system works. In the Revenue Committee, it has been for...for the most part a good system. However, I think we're seeing a violation of that system in this case. I previously stood up and opposed a Motion of one of my own Members, on the basis of 89  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE lllth Legislative Day May 4, 1990 the integrity of the Revenue Committee System. I think it's rather disappointing that the Chairman won't do the same in this case. I would urge you to 'oppose' or vote 'present' on this particular discharge Motion."

"Mr. Hicks."

"Thank you, very much, Mr. Speaker. As a Member of the Revenue Committee and a Member who voted 'no' on this Bill. I stand in opposition to the man...Gentleman's Motion. I think it had a very fear...fair hearing and I would ask the other Members to join me in voting 'no' on the Motion."

"Mr. Ryder."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The comment of the Chairman of the Revenue Committee is somewhat confusing. Because it now appears that we're voting to discharge Bills on a judgement as to the merits of the Bill. She said that, 'although the committee voted against it. It's a good Bill'. And, therefore, she's going to support the discharge. Well, if that's the way that we're going to judge these discharges. I place everyone on notice, because today you have then voted against the merits of the Bills which include: drug free environment for our children, and on the merits of a Bill concerning property tax relief. If that's the way that the Chairman of the Revenue Committee wishes to have these Bills considered. Then be forewarned, that is the way that we shall consider them and your votes have been taken."

"The... Mr. Olson."

"I also rise in opposition to the Motion. Representative Rice, Representative Mulcahey and myself had Bills before a subcommittee which were passed out of the sub-committee, but defeated by the committee as a whole. This is not the process that is advertised. I suggest that we do not support the Motion." 90  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 111th Legislative Day May 4, 1990

"The question is, 'Shall the Motion be adopted?' Those in favor of the Motion signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question, there are 36 'ayes', 44 'nos'. The Motion fails. House Bill 2915, Mr. Weller."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I move for the discharge from State Government Administration House Bill 2985(sic 2915), which...establishes a Drug-Free Work Place Act here in Illinois. Legislation is noncontroversial, it mirrors the federal legislation, which went into effect this last year. By enlisting state contractors, who have a contract of 25,000 or more, to maintain a drug-free workplace as a condition of the contract. The Bill did have a hearing. However, that day was towards the end of business, everyone was rushing around and there weren't enough Members there to vote 'present' for it. I ask for an 'aye' vote."

"Chairman of the committee, Mr. Hannig."

"Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker, and Members of the House. I think Mr. McCracken made the speech that I should probably be making at this point. Indeed, there was a hearing on this Bill, it got four Republican votes and two Democratic votes. It was not strictly a partisan issue. There was only one Member of the committee that was not there at that time. There are other Bills of this nature that are out on the floor and will be debated. And, at this point, I believe there's really no reason that we should discharge this Bill. And I would urge the Membership to vote 'no'."

"Mr. Homer."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I also oppose the Gentleman's Motion on a different ground. I'm not a Member of the State Government Committee. But I am the chairman of a 91  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE lllth Legislative Day May 4, 1990 task force, that will be meeting to review the more than 100 Bills that have been introduced this year dealing with drugs. This particular Bill is one of about three that I'm aware of on the same subject: drug-free work place. There will be the subject matter of this task force that will be meeting next Wednesday evening. And, we have a letter going to Minority Leader, Daniels, today. We've already spoken to John Countryman, a Minority Spokesman, on Jud II inviting Republicans to participate in those hearings. So, that we can look at the more than 100 Bills on this subject and try to deal with them in a coordinated approach, rather than act upon them in a piecemeal fashion. So, I would urge opposition to the Motion and...and...and represent to the Body that, in fact, this Bill, as well as others dealing with this subject, will receive full and complete consideration by the Drug Task Force next week."

"Those in favor of the Motion vote 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question, there are 54 'ayes', 28 'nos'. The Motion fails. House Bill 2926, Mr. Regan."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. I move to discharge from the Energy and Environmental House Bill 2926. Requested three times this to be posted, the Chairman decided that he just wouldn't call the Bill. It affects Will County very greatly. Deals with the situation one week before the last election, we found out that there was going to be something on the referen...on the ballot, that was done from another county with no signatures from Will County. The River Conservation District, with full powers for tourism, and a tax levy connected to it. And on the ballot all it said was 'would you like to have a River Conservation District.' I suggested the public should be 92  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE lllth Legislative Day May 4, 1990 notified that when there is a...such as this comes down on the vote, that they should know that there is a tax levy connected to it. And that there could be a big lodge built on the Kankakee River and tax Will County for that lodge. And, I would urge for its discharge."

"Mr. Kulas."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. If this Bill were so important or of such an emergency nature, I would presume that the Sponsor would have came and talked to me about this Bill. He did not. I would ask for a 'no' or 'present' vote."

"Mr. Weller."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I rise in support of the...Representative Regan's Motion. This is important legislation, this past year in Iroquois, Kankakee and Will Counties there was a referendum on the ballot that caught the tax payers by surprise. And, frankly, if you believe in truth in taxation, if you support tax reform and also efforts to provide tax relief. You'll want to cast an 'aye' vote for this. Thank you."

"All those in favor of the Motion vote 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question, there are 55 'ayes', 30 'nos'. The Motion fails. House Bill... House Bill 2967, Mr. Keane."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I move to discharge Roads and Bridges from further consideration on House Bill 2967 and advance to the order of Second Reading. Because when I was in there, I did not have my Amendment corrected. I did not have an Amendment prepared. This Bill was to have...be a vehicle for impact cleanups. And, I would ask that, since it is the only vehicle available, I would ask that it be discharged."

"Mr. Saltsman" 93  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE lllth Legislative Day May 4, 1990

"Yes, as Chairman of the Roads and Bridges Committee, I support the Sponsor of this Motion. And, I think we should give this Bill the attention it deserves. It was held during the latter stag...stages of the meeting. And I think that we should vote to discharge this Motion."

"Mr. Hallock."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. This is truly a...there was an error, this is a bi-partisan Bill. And, I would ask Members on our side of the aisle to support this Motion as well."

"Is there any opposition to this Motion? Opposition to the Motion? Can we just proceed to Roll Call? Those in favor of the Motion, signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted who wish? This is an Agreed Motion. Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question, there are 107 'ayes', 2 people voting 'no'. The Motion is adopted. House Bill 2983, Mr. Weller. Take this matter out of the record. House Bill 2986, Mr. Weller."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen. I move to discharge, from State Government Administration Committee, House Bill 2986. House Bill 2986 is a bi-partisan Bill establishing the Drug Free Youth Program. It's legislation...it's legislation which has received bi-partisan support, because it really changes the philosophy in which we deal with young people and their involvement with drugs and alcohol. Rather than punishing them, we're going to reward them through the Drug Free Youth Program. It's a good anti-drug Bill. It's positive. It deserves full consideration by the House. I would ask your support."

"Mr. Hannig"

"Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. 94  lllth Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 4, 1990 Again, the Member had an opportunity to bring his people to committee. In fact, he had witnesses...they were there. They testified. At that time, chose not to call the Bill for a final vote. A...choice that he made. And, we do have other Bills on this subject, that will be on the floor. A bi-partisan effort will be made to try to address the problems of drugs. And, I think, at this time, there is no need to discharge this Bill. And, I would ask that you vote 'no'."

"Those in favor of the Motion vote 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question, there are 55 'ayes', 38 'nos'. The Motion fails. House Bill 3... House Bill 2987, Mr. Weller, 2987. Take that out of the record. House Bill 3004, Mr. Churchill. Take that out of the record. House Bill 3069, Mr. Hensel."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I move to discharge Energy Environment Natural Resources from further consideration and advance to the Order of Second Reading, First Legislative Day. I had a shell Bill that...I wanted to have ah...kept alive. I have an Amendment that...will help the people in some of the areas...that I am interested in. And I think that the Bill should have a full hearing. And, I would ask for a favorable vote."

"Mr. Kulas."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise to oppose the Gentleman's Motion. This is a Bill which doesn't do anything. So, I didn't do anything and I didn't post it. It's a vehicle Bill and I would ask for a 'no' or a 'present' vote."

"Mr. Hensel. Mr. Hensel."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In closing, this Bill was a shell Bill, as I mentioned, it does now have a substantive nature to it. It affects Will County, the forest reserve 95  lllth Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 4, 1990 districts and the constituents in Will County would be very appreciative of a vote, because it is an emergency up there right now and this Bill can't wait until the Spring Session. And, I would just plead with you that, because it is with the Amendment would be a good Bill. And, I ask for a favorable vote."

"Those in favor of the Motion, vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question, there are 52 'ayes', 35 'nos'. The Motion fails. Mr. Hallock, on House Bill 3133."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. House Bill 3133, I would ask that it be discharged from the Energy Environment and Natural Resources Committee, and for further consideration move it to the Order of Second Reading. This Bill deals with recycling and, like many other Bills in the Energy Committee this Session, is caught up in the last minute snafu that occurred there. What this Bill does is to try to encourage the State of Illinois to promote recycling statewide. As we all know, approximately 80 percent, the experts say, of what's thrown away on a weekly basis in our garbage can be recycled. What this Bill would do is say that for those communities statewide that are recycling and encouraging recycling at the curb site. That we would reimburse 100 percent of their cost for that program. Clearly, it's an incentive instead of a mandate. I think it's the way to go in terms of promoting recycling. I would ask for your support."

"Mr. Kulas."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a lot of respect for the future congressman from the State of Illinois. But, he never came to talk to me about the Bill either and this is 96  lllth Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 4, 1990 not the time or the place for it now. And I would ask for a 'no' or 'present' vote."

"Those in favor of the Motion, signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question, there are 60 'ayes', 24 'nos'. Mr. Kulas."

"I'd like to verify the Roll Call, Mr. Speaker."

"The...Clerk shall read the names of those voting 'aye'."

"Poll of those voting in the affirmative. Balanoff. Barger. Barnes. Black. Breslin. Churchill. Countryman. Cowlishaw. Currie. Daniels. Deuchler. Didrickson. Doederlein. Ewing. Virginia Frederick. Goforth. Hallock. Hannig. Harris. Hasara. Hensel. Hoffman. Homer. Hultgren. Johnson. Kirkland. Klemm. Kubik. Leitch. McCracken. McNamara. Mulcahey. Noland. Bob Olson. Myron Olson. Parcells. Parke. Bernard Pedersen. William Peterson. Petka. Phelps. Piel. Pullen. Regan. Ropp. Ryder. Saltsman. Satterthwaite. Sieben. Stange. Stephens. Tenhouse. Wait. Weaver. Weller. Wennlund. Williamson. Wojcik. Woolard and Zickus."

"Mr. Kulas, any questions?"

"...Representative Wojcik?"

"The Lady is at her chair."

"Representative Zickus."

"Zickus? The Lady is in her seat."

"Representative Saltsman?"

"Mr. Saltsman? Remove the Gentleman from the Kulas: Roll Call." "Representative Currie?"

"For what purpose...for what purpose does Mr. Ackerman seek recognition? Record Mr. Ackerman as 'aye'. And, Representative Currie is in the chamber." 97  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE

Illth Legislative Day Kulas: "Representative Johnson?"

"Mr. Johnson is in his chair."

"Representative Churchill?"

"Mr. Churchill is in his chair."

"Representative Pedersen?"

"The Gentleman is in his seat." May 4, 1990

"Representative Hoffman? Representative Hoffman?"

"I believe the last question was Mr. Hoffman and...Is Mr. Hoffman in the chamber? Remove the Gentleman from the Roll Call."

"Representative Stange?"

"Mr. Stange. Is Mr. Stange in the chamber? Remove the Gentleman from the Roll Call."

"Representative Tenhouse?"

"Mr. Tenhouse. The Gentleman is in the chamber."

"No further questions."

"On this question, there are 58 'ayes', 24 'nos'. The Motion fails. House Bill 3156, Representative Breslin."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen. This Bill creates the Office of Environmental Advocate. It has never been heard in the General Assembly before and was not heard this time, because the Chair refused to post the Bill. I think you should know, Ladies and Gentlemen, that what is at stake here is the integrity of the system. Representative McCracken, the integrity of the system is at stake here. I think it should be noted, that there were several Democratic votes on the last Motion to discharge and there have not been Republican votes on the Motions to discharge on many of these Bills. If we're going to support the integrity of this system we need to stand up and be counted. This Bill is not what's important it's not 98  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE lllth Legislative Day May 4, 1990 even in its final form. I will be holding it to get input on it before I move it. But the integrity of the system demands that we have a Roll Call, on whether or not Illinois should have an Environmental Advocate or not. I move to discharge, Mr. Speaker."

"Mr. Kulas."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I don't think that Illinois needs another government bureaucracy, so I don't think this Bill is of an emergency nature. And, I would ask for a 'no' or 'present' vote."

"Those in favor of the Motion vote 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk, shall take the record. On this question, there are 39 'ayes', 39 'no's. The Motion fails. House Bill 3289, Mr. Balanoff. Mr. Balanoff."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker. I move to discharge the Energy Environment Natural Resources Committee from further consideration and advance to the Order of Second Reading, First Legislative day of this Bill. Because as many Bills in that committee this Bill was never posted for a hearing."

"Mr. Kulas."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We heard this Bill last year and it got killed last year and it's not going any place this year. So, I would ask for a 'no' or 'present' vote."

"Those in favor of the Motion vote 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk, shall take the record. On this question, there are 25 'ayes', 58 'no's. The Motion fails. House Bill 3345, Representative Wojcik...Wojcik...3345."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. I move to discharge State Government Administration from further 99  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE lllth Legislative Day May 4, 1990 consideration and advance to the Order of Second Reading. Mr. Speaker, when I presented the Bill in committee it was obvious that there was some opposition and, therefore, I had suggested to some of the committee Members that we take it out of committee. And we were...are grievances out on the Second Reading. And a few of the committee Members were adamant against this and I felt that an injustice was served to me and also to the subject matter. So, therefore, I would have a...ask for a Motion to discharge it."

"Mr. Hannig."

"Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. Again, we gave the Sponsor an opportunity to present her Bill. She was there. She had witnesses there. There was opposition to the Bill, very adamant opposition to the Bill, I might add. And ultimately the Bill was defeated in committee. At this point, I don't see why we need to bring...go forward with this Bill. Certainly, if she can work out the differences between the opponents and the proponents there will be other vehicles around on the floor from the Senate. We can always deal with those...with an agreed Bill later. But, at this time, I think we should vote 'no'."

"Those in favor of the Motion vote 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk, shall take the record. On this question, there are 44 'ayes', 40 'nos'. The Motion fails. House Bill 3371. For what purpose does Mr. Noland seek recognition?"

"My button won't light."

"It's a vote? That's the way it's suppose to be."

"My Speaker light works." 100  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE lllth Legislative Day

May 4, 1990 "Well, we'll change that too. For what purpose does Mr. Hensel seek recognition?"

"Ah...thank you, Mr. Speaker. On House Bill 3069 under discharge Motion, for some reason my switch didn't work and I wish to be recorded as having voted 'yes' on that discharge Motion. House Bill 3069. Thank you."

"The record shall record your statement, Mr. Hensel. House Bill 3371, Representative Frederick, does not wish to call the Bill. House Bill 3486, Representative Currie."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. This is another Bill that was left unposted in the House Energy and Environment Committee. It is a redraft of legislation that passed this House last year. The underlying issue is one of controls on emissions from hospital incinerators, if the people of this chamber wish to do of something for the health and safety of the folks back home, if they want to make sure that furans and other kinds of dioxans are not emitted into the air of their constituents back home, then we should certainly hear the provisions of this Bill this Spring and I would appreciate your support for the discharge Motion on House Bill 3486."

"The Lady moves to discharge the committee. The Chair recognizes Mr. Kulas."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. With all due respect to the Sponsor, of this Motion, which I respect. She has a well intended Bill here. It's a Bill that we passed here before and, unfortunately, it got back and didn't pass. But, I don't see now is the time to deci...to go through this Bill again. It can wait until next Session. We can pass it then. I would ask for a 'no' or 'present' vote."

"Those in favor of the Motion vote 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted who wish? The Clerk, 101  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE lllth Legislative Day May 4, 1990 shall take the record. On this question, there are...record Mr. Hallock as 'aye'. On this question, there are 36 'ayes', 45 'nos'. The Motion fails. House Bill 3502, Mr. Cullerton. Out of the record please. House Bill 3574, Mr. Morrow. Take this out of the record. House Bill 3585, Mr. Phelps. Mr. Phelps."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I move to discharge Coal and Oil from further consideration of House Bill 3585. I'd appreciate your 'aye' vote."

"Mr. Cullerton."

"Yes, I support the Gentleman's Motion. The committee only met for five minutes, Mr. Speaker. The Gentleman was on his way over to the committee did not have an opportunity to present the Bill. So, I would support his Motion."

"Is there leave for the... Mr. Leitch."

"I...I too would like to express support for the Motion."

"Is there leave for the use of the Attendance Roll Call? Leave is granted. The Motion is adopted using the Attendance Roll Call. House Bill 3619, Mr. Ewing. Take this matter...Representative Parcells."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Ewing asked me to handle this since I'm a Cosponsor on the Bill for him. And I move to discharge Executive Committee and advance to the Order of Second Reading House Bill 3619. There was a mistake with this Bill in that it was posted last week in an effort to work out some details. Mr. Ewing didn't call it and this week, although there were witnesses there to testify on it, for some reason it did not end up on the posting. Director McGinnes of Corrections and Gary Skoien were both there to testify for the CDB, because they believed this Bill could save millions of dollars for taxpayers in 102  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE lllth Legislative Day May 4, 1990 construction costs and in time to the state and it would speed up the building of prisons, which we are sorely in need of. And I would hope, that even those who maybe don't like the idea would vote, that this would get a fair hearing on this House Floor. Since it did not get a hearing in committee."

"Mr. Terzich."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker. This Bill was posted in the Executive Committee and, unfortunately, the... Sponsor of the Bill did not want the Bill heard, when it was posted previously. And it was subsequently not posted because the Sponsor didn't really ask for it to be posted. We did hear all the Bills in Executive Committee. It's unfortunate that this was not posted, but the Sponsor did not request it, nor did the Cosponsor, and I would move that we would not support the Motion to discharge."

"Those in favor... Representative Parcells."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. To close, I would just like to say that Mr. Ewing thinks there was a mixup in the posting and there were two people there to testify on the Bill. So, obviously, many people thought the Bill would be posted. And I ask for your favorable Roll Call so that this Bill could be heard."

"Those in favor of the Motion vote 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question, there are 49 'ayes', 36 'nos'. The Motion fails. On House Bill 3574, the Chair recognizes Mr. Turner."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Assembly. Representative Morrow asked that I make this Motion for him today. He informed me that the Bill was not posted...in front...and like many of the Bills in front of the Energy and Environment Committee. It's a Bill that's 103  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE lllth Legislative Day May 4, 1990 pretty important to him. And I just move and urge the Assembly to help bypass the discharge Motion on this Bill."

"Mr. Kulas."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Again, Ladies and Gentlemen, this Bill is not of an emergency nature. The Sponsor never came to see me on this Bill and I would ask for a 'no' or 'present' vote."

"Those in favor of the Motion vote 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question, there are 32 'ayes', 54 'nos'. The Motion fails. House Bill 3634, Mr. Homer. Mr. Homer."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen. This is a Bill that..."

"Mr. Homer, one second please. Mr. Daniels. Mr. Daniels. Would you record yourself...on this Motion? How would you like to vote? You should vote 'no'."

"The same as you, Mr. Speaker."

"Good choice." Mr. Clerk, on this question, there are 32 'ayes', 55 'nos'. The Motion fails. And now we're on House Bill 3634, Mr. Homer. Mr. Homer."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This is...the heading up there is incorrect I would ask the Clerk to put up 3634. This is...this is a Bill that I've worked on for some time. It's an important Bill. It deals with the 250,000 tons of disposable contaminated diapers that end up in landfills each year. And it's a Bill that I did a great deal of work on. In fact, I sent a memo out to each of the committee Members. And a Bill that I kept harassing my secretary to see if it got posted and was told each week, that she had talked to John Went on the staff person on that Committee of Energy and Environment. And was told that the committee didn't meet the first few weeks. And then the last week I 104  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE lllth Legislative Day May 4, 1990 talked to her and I said, 'now did you get 3634 posted'. And she didn't have the heart to tell me. She sent for John Went who came into my office looking a little droopy and said, 'I don't know how to tell you this but the Chairman wouldn't let your Bill be posted.' And I came flying out of my chair saying, 'wouldn't let it be posted'. I said, 'that's never happened here.' I said, 'you know, Bills are held in Rules Committees, Bills are not called at hearings, people take walk on Bills. But you've got to be wrong, there's never been a case where a committee Chairman refused to post the Bill. That's never happened. And, in fact, we find out that that is what happened. And I, like many others on both sides of the aisle, didn't even have a chance to talk to the Chairman or the Members of the committee about our Bill. And I would only say to you, Mr. Chairman, that, you know, that Ernest Hemingway wrote a novel called, For Whom The Bell Tolls. And, although that you may think that this is good policy today with respect to these Bills. That if the standard throughout this Legislature will be that we as committee Chairmen and I, as the Chairman of the House Judiciary II Committee, that had over a 170 Bills posted. Can, hereafter, simply decide that what we'll do is all decide which Bills get posted and which Bills will not get posted. If that's the precedent that we're going to set then I would say to you, Sir, 'that the bell tolls for thee'."

"Mr. Kulas."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I was never much of a Hemingway fan. But...this Bill is a Band-Aid approach to a serious problem that we must eventually face and I think we will. But like I said it's a Band-Aid approach. It's not an emergency. It's a doo doo tax which we don't need on election year. And I would ask for a 'no' or a 'present' 105  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE lllth Legislative Day vote."

May 4, 1990 "Those in favor of the Motion vote 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk, shall take the record. On this question, there are 49 'ayes', 28 'nos'. The Motion fails. House Bill 3681, Mr. Petka. Mr. Petka." "Thank you, very much, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. I would move at this time to discharge from the Constitutional Officers Committee from further consideration of House Bill 3681 and advance to the Order of Second Reading, First Legislative Day. As a Representative who, unfortunately, had a Bill assigned to a committee which was meeting at the same time as a committee which I was serving on, that is the Judiciary II Committee. I was placed in the position of having to serve two masters. I gave every single individual, who had brought a Bill before the Judiciary II Committee, an opportunity to have their Bill heard and cast judgement on that Bill. I finally had an opportunity the other day to go to the Constitutional Officers Committee. I recognize that there was a number of individuals before me, by the time I came back a second time there was less than a quorum. All I'm asking for is an opportunity to have this Bill heard, which simply will provide a revenue source for law enforcement budgets which are being depleted as a result of absorbing costs of blood and urine tests. I please ask for your affirmative vote."

"Mr. Brunsvold."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I stand to oppose the Gentleman's Motion. The committee met and we considered all the Bills that were available. We adjourned about fifteen minutes early. There were a number of Bills that were heard, that were asked to be heard by their Sponsors, 106  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE lllth Legislative Day May 4, 1990 by Members of the committee. So, the opportunity was there to hear the Bill and we did, in fact, hear Bills that Members had been in other committees and asked that they be handled by another Representative. So, the opportunity was there and we did have plenty of time to consider the Bills. And I would ask for a 'no' vote on the Gentleman's Motion."

"All those in favor of the Motion vote 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question, there are 47 'ayes', 40 'nos'. And the Motion fails. House Bill 3768, Representative Breslin."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen, this is another Bill that was not posted in the House Energy and Environment Committee. It is a Bill that takes a step, one small step, towards reducing the amount of chloro-floro carbons in the Earth's atmosphere that threatens our very existence. This is a Bill that the Chair of the Environment Committee, I guess, just didn't think was important enough for us to talk about this year. I move to discharge the committee."

"Mr. Kulas."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Again, this is not an emergency nature. It's a Band-Aid approach to a serious problem. And I would ask for a 'no' or a 'present' vote."

"Those in favor of the Motion vote 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question, there are 49 'ayes', 25 'nos'. And the Motion fails. House Bill 3769, Representative Cullerton."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I move to discharge the Human Services Committee. I believe this has the support of the Minority Spokesman and the Vice-Chairman of the committee. It's a vehicle Bill that inadvertently did not 107  1llth Legislative Day May 4, 1990 get called in committee. It's meant to provide a vehicle for any necessary changes to last year's disproportionate share legislation that may be required because of federal administrative rule changes. It's at the request of the Illinois Hospital Association. It's not intended to request any additional state reimbursement for our...our hospitals. But, rather, to insure that the hospitals receive the reimbursement mandated in last year's legislation."

"Is there any opposition to this Motion? Is there any opposition to this Motion? There being no opposition leave is granted to use the Attendance Roll Call. There is objection. Representative Wojcik on the Motion."

"...Mr. Speaker, I had originally agreed with Representative Cullerton that this would be alright. Since then I have been told that there is some question on our side of the aisle. So, I can not agree with him now."

"Those in favor of the Motion vote 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question, there are 61 'ayes', 40 'nos'. Mr. McCracken requests a verification. Mr. Clerk would you read the names of those not voting."

"Poll of those not voting. Black. Capparelli. Currie. DeLeo. Klemm. Krska. Munizzi. Stange and Terzich."

"Record Representative Currie as 'aye'. Mr. Clerk, read the names of those voting 'aye'."

"Poll of those in the affirmative. Balanoff. Bowman. Breslin. Bugielski. Cowlishaw. Cullerton. Curran. Currie. Davis. Dunn. Edley. Farley. Flinn. 108  lllth Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 4, 1990 Flowers. Giglio. Giorgi."

"Mr. Clerk... Mr. McNamara... Mr. McCracken."

"Would you verify Mr. McNamara?"

"Mr. McNamara is verified. Mr. Clerk, proceed."

"Giorgi. Granberg. Hannig. Hartke. Hicks. Homer. Lou Jones. Shirley Jones. Keane. Kirkland."

"Mr. Clerk...Mr. Cullerton."

"Let's just take it out of the record. Save the time of the House."

"Mr. Cullerton, I'm advised by the Parliamentarian that you can not take the matter out of the record at this time. I believe because we've gone to Roll Call unless there is leave. There is a request for leave. Take it out of the record. Leave is granted. The matter shall be taken out of the record. House Bill 3820, Mr. Pedersen."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I move to discharge Human Services from further consideration and advance to the Order of Second Reading, First Legislative Day, House Bill 3820. This Bill is called, the Act For The Scientific Evaluation Of Social Programs. And what it does is require the Department of Public Aid to use a control group for comparison and conducting of studies for any pilot program or demonstration project. This is the kind of thing that I think can be very helpful in making sure that our resources are used well. It's a scientific approach. The committee had a lot of people missing. And, so, I would like to have a full hearing before the House on this Bill."

"The Chair recognizes Mr...the Chair recognizes Representative Stern."

"Ah...Mr. Speaker, as Vice-Chair of Health and Human Services Committee, I recall that Mr. Pedersen got a full 109  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE lllth Legislative Day May 4, 1990 hearing on that Bill. The only thing that he didn't get was an overwhelming majority or even a narrow majority. I urge a 'no' vote on the Motion."

"Those in favor of the Motion vote 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question, there are 48 'ayes', 40 'nos'. The Motion fails. House Bill 3831, Mr. Klemm...Mr. Klemm."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. House Bill 3831, I move to discharge the Energy Environment and Natural Resources Committee from further consideration and advance to Second Reading. Let me tell you a little bit about 3831. Basically, this is a Bill that is trying to at least have the Department of Energy and Natural Resources start looking at the problem of how we should dispose of our used motor oil. A few months ago I happened to be driving to my business on a Sunday afternoon and I saw a car that was parked along the side of a farm road along a row of trees. And I saw a guy running out from the back when he saw me stop to drive over there and he had a couple of buckets in his hand. And he saw me coming and he ran to his car and he put them in the trunk and slammed down the lid. And off he took. So, I decided..."

"For what purpose does Mr. Kulas seek recognition?"

"Ah...Mr. Speaker, on a point of order. The Gentleman is talking about...he's going to tell us the whole history of the Bill. He should of talked with me about the history of the Bill before...the posting of the Bill. I would address...the...ask the Gentleman to address the Motion and not the Bill."

"Mr. Klemm." 110  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE lllth Legislative Day May 4, 1990

"So, this Bill would at least allow the State of Illinois to start looking at ways of disposing used motor oil for the consumer. I would like to have a committee hearing. I was denied. I did ask for it to be posted. I have talked to the Chairman. I think it's an issue of emergency nature to be heard before the board...or the House. And, therefore, I move that we allow that to be discharged."

"Mr. Kulas."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Again, I would rise in opposition to the Gentleman's Motion. This is another Band-Aid approach to a serious problem which we have which a task force should be working on. We shouldn't be doing this now. And I would ask for a 'no' or 'present' vote."

"Representative Breslin."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen. I rise in support of Representative Klemm's Bill. Not only does it address an important, important issue. It is an issue that has been discussed a great deal in the press most recently. I think it is important that the Illinois General Assembly take a few moments to discuss it. I urge my colleagues on this side of the aisle to support Representative Klemm. So, that we can have a substantive vote on this Bill."

"Mr. Balanoff."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker. I also rise in support of this...of Representative Klemm's discharge Motion. One quart of motor oil disposed of improperly, poured into the ground, can contaminate an entire acre of drinking water in the aquifers below the Earth. I think it's very important. This is the kind of legislation, I think, that can help make a difference to protect the groundwater that all of us drink. Thank you."

"Those in favor of the Motion vote 'aye', those 111  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE lllth Legislative Day May 4, 1990 opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question, there are 89 'ayes', 6 'nos'. The Motion is adopted. House Bill 3844, Mr. Hensel."

It Hensel: "Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I move to discharge Energy Environment and Natural Resources from further...further consideration and advance to the Order of Second Reading, House Bill 3844. This was a shell Bill as it was presented to the committee. It was not heard in committee. wasn't posted for hearing. This is...has to do with low level radioactive waste disposal in the State of Illinois. Because of the complexity of the situation the Amendment that I'm having drafted is not come out yet. I would hope that by prolonging this Bill for, another couple of weeks, I will have the Amendment. It will be a very good Bill for the citizens of the State of Illinois. And I ask for a favorable vote."

"Mr. Kulas."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Again, this is a vehicle Bill, I don't think it's...it's an emergency Bill. There's nothing out there. The Department of Nuclear Safety has their Bills out there which if they have anything they can attach it to. I would ask for a 'no' or 'present' vote."

"Those in favor of the Motion vote 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk, shall take the record. On this question, there are 46 'ayes', 34 'nos'. The Motion fails. House Bill 3855, Mr. Ryder. Take it out of the record. House Bill 3874, Mr. Olson. Take it out of the record. House Bill 3877, Mr. Balanoff."

"Yes...yes, Mr. Speaker. I move to discharge...charge Energy And Environment Natural Resources from further 112  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 1llth Legislative Day May 4, 1990 consideration and advance to the Order of Second Reading, First Legislative Day, House Bill 3877. This is the Lake Calumet Water Study Bill. There is nobody on this floor that can complain louder than I about Bills not being posted in the Energy and Environment Committee. It's a committee that I sit on and I have...what...It's a committee that I sit on and I sit patiently and listen to every Member's Bill that has come before us. In this particular case, this is the one Bill that I had that was posted for the Energy and Environment Committee. And I patiently waited while other Members had their Bills heard before the committee. The ones that were allowed to be posted. And, when it came to be my turn, I sat down at the table and had the microphone to present my Bill and there was a question of the quorum. There was not a quorum at that time. The area that I live in, the Lake Calumet area in the City of Chicago, has over 50 sites that have accepted toxics at one time or another. In the talk about an airport on the southeast side of Chicago they're talking about spending 300 to 500 million dollars to cleanup, because of the toxic problem. If this Bill and the study prove, what I think it will show, that toxins are indeed finding their way into the groundwater and into the aquifers and into Lake Michigan. Our area would be eligible for hundreds of millions of dollars in federal super-fund cleanup money. This Bill passed both Houses of the Legislature last year. And I ask for a favorable vote."

"Mr. Kulas."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This is a good Bill. We passed this Bill last year. I posted this Bill for committee this year, unfortunately, there was no quorum there. But the quorum wasn't there and Representative Balanoff ques...was 113  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE lllth Legislative Day May 4, 1990 So, one of the people who questioned the quorum. obviously, he wasn't interested enough to get the Bill out of committee. So, I would still ask for a 'no' or 'present' vote."

"Those in favor of the Motion vote 'aye', those opposed...excuse me...excuse me just a second. Mr. Parke."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker."

"Mr. Parke."

"I grew up in that area. And I..."

"Take it out of the record. Mr. Parke, please proceed Sir."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I grew up in that area and I will tell you every time we go down to Lake Calumet expressway you can smell and see the pollution in that area. And I'd like to rise in support of this Motion."

"Mr. Balanoff."

"Yes. Of course, when I was in committee I questioned...I was one of the ones that questioned the quorum. Because there were six people sitting there and it takes eight votes to get the Bill out of committee. So, there would've been, at that point there would've been absolutely no chance. And I don't have any problem with questioning the quorum in that case. Thank you. And, I ask for a favorable vote."

"Those in favor of the Motion vote 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk, shall take the record. On this question, there are 84 'ayes', 14 'nos'. The Motion is adopted. House Bill 3944, Mr. Ropp. Take that out of the record. Take that out of the Representative Breslin." House Bill 3970, Mr. Hannig. record. House Bill 3980, 114  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE lllth Legislative Day May 4, 1990

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen. This is the last Bill that I had posted or asked to be posted in the Environment Committee that did not get posted again. What the Bill does is address the issue of recycling. It asks that the Department monitor recycling, for the next five years, if we don't meet our goals to establish...how shall I say...strong incentives to start addressing the recycling issue. My intention, Ladies and Gentlemen, is to hold this Bill on the floor to get the results of the Waste Reduction Task Force. It is not to move the Bill in its present form. We just want to be sure that we have moved on this issue on a task force, that has been in creation that I was a Sponsor of for a year. I...the same issue as before, I would appreciate the opportunity to have this Bill on the floor to use it as a vehicle when necessary."

"Mr. Wennlund,"

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I rise in support of the Sponsor's Motion. The time is now. It is an emergency. In six short years there will be no land space... landfill space left in the State of Illinois. I ask my colleagues on both sides of the aisle bring this out to the floor. So, we can work out some reasonable solutions now. Thank you."

"Mr. Kulas."

"I think there are enough vehicles on the floor. I would ask for a 'no' or 'present' vote."

"Mr. Klemm"

"Yes, Mr. Speaker. I...I support the Lady's attempt to at least have this Bill where we can discuss it. I think this is such a serious problem in not only Illinois...the United States. That we have to at least discuss it openly. And I don't think we can continually wait until next year and the next year. And I do support her Motion." 115  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE lllth Legislative Day May 4, 1990

"Those in favor of the Motion vote 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk, shall take the record. On this question, there are 85 'ayes', 6 'nos'. The Motion is adopted. House Bill 3982, Mr. Balanoff...3982."

"Yes...this was one of those Bills um...in...I'm sorry wait. I move to discharge Energy and Natural...Environment and Natural Resources from further consideration and advance this to the Order of Second Reading, House Bill 3982. This calls for the Pollution Control Board to set standards for the amount of aluminum that is allowed in drinking water not to exceed 100 parts per billion. Because aluminun-bio accumulates in people's brains and is believed to be a cause of Alzheimer's disease. So, I ask for a favorable..."

"Mr. Kulas."

"Well, I think, maybe if had an Amendment to check the aluminum in the drinking supply on the House floor. We might...I might vote for it. But, I still stay...stand in opposition to the Gentleman's Motion. He never came to talk to me about the Bill. The Bill is not of an emergency nature. And I would vote 'no' or present."

"Those in favor of the Motion vote 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk, shall take the record. On this question, there are 50...on this question there are 52 'ayes', 24 'nos'. The Motion fails. House Bill 3990, Mr. Wennlund."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I move to discharge Registration Regulations for further consideration, and advance this Bill to the Order of Seconds Reading. The Chairman of the committee, 116  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE lllth Legislative Day May 4, 1990 Mr... Representative Krska had no objection to this, and in fact, up...from the Democratic Leadership on this Bill. There was some confusion and some misunderstanding in committee and... we ask that the Bill be bought out to the floor for a Second Reading, and at that time we'll work out all the confusion and misunderstanding. My Cosponsor, Representative Novak, will support this. This is a Bill that can...bring...at least $75 million dollars in new revenue to the State of Illinois. It now permissible in all the surrounding states with the exception of the State of Iowa, and it's time that Illinois get involved with it. This is an non-explosive fireworks, and this class C fireworks."

"Mr. Wennlund. Mr. Wennlund. Is there any opposition to this Motion? Proceed, Mr. Wennlund. Mr. Wennlund finish your comments."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker."

"Mr. Novak."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker. I too rise in support of this Motion. This Bill did go before Registration and Regulation. The Democratic Leadership did have an up arrow on it. There was some misunderstanding and some confusion. We would like to get this companion Bill out onto the floor on Second Reading to work, to work out these misunderstandings. This Bill for everyone's edification requires that class B fireworks which are non-explosive, this doesn't have anything to do with class C which are federally mandated and are against the law. It makes it 21 for anyone to buy sparklers and any of this other class C. Right now any eight or nine year old kid can go into a grocery store and buy sparklers, which a very terrible thing to do. This make it 21 years of age to purchase all forms of Class B So we thin it's a reasonable Bill it's a 117  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE lllth Legislative Day May 4, 1990 tremendous generator of revenue for the State of Illinois. And I think we should it should be debated on it's merits. And please I ask you for your support. So we can just get it on the floor, and work out these problems. Thank you."

"Representative Williamson."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and Members of the General Assembly. I rise in opposition to this Bill. There was a Bill 3988 that was presented in committee that is identical to House Bill 3990. There were two Roll Call votes 38...3988, the Bill died in committee at that time. When the Representative was asked if he wished to call House Bill 3990, he told the committee that he had no intentions of calling that Bill, and he had the opportunity for a full hearing. I f they do get the requisite number of votes, I would ask for a verification."

"Mr. Johnson. Mr. Johnson."

"Twenty-five million dollars that would be generated from this Bill would be dedicated to fire protection districts, another $25 millions to new school construction."

"For what purpose does Representative Williamson seek recognition?"

"Mr. Speaker, I would ask that they address the

Motion and not the merits of the Bill.' Speaker Madigan: "She's correct, Mr. Johnson. It's a good Bill. The question is, 'Shall the Motion be adopted?' Those in favor vote 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk, shall take the record. On this question there are 48 'ayes', 38 'nos'. The Motion fails. House Bill 3991, Mr. Hallock."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Member of the House. I would ask that the Energy and Environment Committee be discharged for further consideration on House Bill 3991... move this 118  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE lllth Legislative Day May 4, 1990 Bill to Second Reading. This Bill would require agency of state and local government to evaluate the impact of the action on natural areas of the state. We have in place now Executive Order number 7 which does something like this, but is not codified. I believe that now in the future with the environment being so endangered it's very important that government especially set the example and try to consider what impact that their action have on these kind of areas. So, therefore, I would ask that this Bill be supported."

"Mr. Kulas."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Again this is an vehicle Bill, and I would ask for a 'no' or 'present' vote."

"Those in favor of the Motion vote 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk, shall take the record. On this question, there are 51 'ayes', 23 'nos'. The Motion fails. House Bill 4003. Take this matter out of the record. House Bill 4013, Mr. Kulas. Take this matter out of the record. House Bill 4046, Mr. Regan."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. I move to discharge from Energy and Environmental and Natural Resources better the infamous committee House Bill 4046. In everyone of these incidents these things were questioned whether or not they felt the Sponsor thought it was the most important to talk to Representative Kulas. I called four times when I tried to get it posted. Then one day before we find out what he's doing over there, then I called him, called my leader he stepped right over here and we had a conversation and he said 'tough'. Now, it's never been none before I don't know what we're starting now. But the issue at hand is that I just think the that people should have a right to hear what their Representatives back 119  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 111th Legislative Day May 4, 1990 home have to say, what they introduced and if you like it pass it, and if you don't fail it. But, this is not the way to kill Bills. The Bill at hand simply says that we should notify people if we're going to put a compost facility in their backyard. I'm all in favor of compost facilities, I know that we're the ones making local people do it, by July 1st. I know we made them, but three in my district is a little out of hand, and the people should a have right to know that their thoughts are thinking of putting a compost site in its the neighborhood. So, that's all this Bill does and I urge its discharge."

"Mr. Kulas."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There's a Solid Waste Task Force that's been working on these problems for over a years time. This Bill would just be a band-aid approach to something which we must seriously look at, and the Gentleman can still get his press release out and blame it on me. I ask for a 'no' or 'present' vote."

"Those in favor of the Motion vote 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk, shall take the record. On this question there are 67 'ayes', 19 'nos'. The Motion is adopted. House Bill 4063, Representative Didrickson."

"Thank you, Mr. Chairman, Members of the House. I move to discharge committee on House Bill 4063 and to place this in Interim Study."

"Is there leave to place this Bill on the Order of Interim Study of the Labor Committee? Leave is granted. House Bill 4082, Representative Hasara."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen. House Bill 4082 was also set before an infamous committee and was one of those Bills left out. I would agree with Mr. Kulas, that upon looking at the title of the Bill he would not 120  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE lllth Legislative Day May 4, 1990 think it would be important to anyone and not feel it was an emergency. But this Bill affects what are called 'falconers' in the State of Illinois. Probably again your not considering that an emergency, but they have some legislation that they have been working with the Department of Conservation and they need a change to put them in compliance with the federal law by July 1. It again doesn't mean alot to alot of people, but if are one of the 95 licensed 'falconers' in Illinois who take this very seriously, it means alot to you. I had to call these constituents who brought this to my attention and I can tell you the average person out there has no idea why a Bill like this can not get heard. Particularly having got out of Rules Committee which was kind of surprising in the first place. I called them back to tell them I was sure that the Bill would be heard in committee. They came trying to testify and all of a sudden it was off the posting list. So, I would ask your favorable consideration to this Bill, but again it means alot to a very few people. But that to me is what we're all about here. Trying to help constituents who come to you with a problem. They had been working with conservation on this for over a year did not anticipate certainly having any problem, but it will be a problem for them if they can not be in compliance with new federal legislation that takes effect in July."

"Mr. Kulas."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker the Department of Conservation has a number of Bills out there...just as important to them. They can amend it to the Bill to bring into compliance with the federal regulation or what ever it is. Nobody every talked to me about this Bill nobody approached me about this Bill. And I would ask for a 'no' or 'present' vote."

"Representative Breslin." 121  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE lllth Legislative Day May 4, 1990

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker Ladies and Gentlemen. Nobody ever talked to me about this Bill. But I can tell from hearing Representative Hasara's plea that it is important to the citizens of Illinois that we take action on it and that we take action on it this year. I therefore, rise in support of her Motion to discharge."

"Those in favor of the Motion vote 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question there are 85 'ayes', 4 'nos'. The Motion is adopted. The chair recognizes Representative Daniels for a Motion relative to several Bills."

"Mr. Speaker, the series of Bills 4107 thru including 4113, we are...I'll just submit that to the...Task Force on Tougher Drug Laws. So, you can withdraws those from the record."

"Very well. Thank you, Mr. Daniels. House Bill 4154, Mr. Balanoff. Forty-one-fifty-four."

"Alright, this is another one of those Bills that did not get heard in the Energy and Environment Committee. And I move to discharge the Energy and Environment Natural Resources Committee from further consideration...Second Reading First Legislative Day. The United States Congress and Nuclear Regulatory Commission are currently considering deregulating what is called below regulatory concern nuclear waste, and what that would mean is that this 'BRC' waste could be put in ordinary landfills, it could be put in incinerators. It could contaminate recycleables, the Department of Energy of Nuclear Safety in Illinois is in full support of this legislation and I'd ask for a favorable vote."

"Mr. Kulas."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Again this is one of those Bills 122  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE lllth Legislative Day May 4, 1990 let's not look at the solid waste problems let's stick our heads in the ground and pretend this is not there. The Solid Waste Task Force is working on is working on these issues. I would ask for a 'no' or 'present' vote."

"The question is, shall the Motion be adopted. Those in favor vote 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk, shall take the record. On this question, there are 33 'ayes', 27 'nos'. The Motion fails. House Bill 4155, Mr. Balanoff,"

"Yes. Again I rise to discharge the Energy Enviornment and Natural Resources Committee. This Bill was another Bill that was not posted, and I had intended to take this Bill and put an Amendment on it. This Bill calls for a five year moratorium on the issuance of construction permits for new municipal waste and hazardous waste incinerators. Now, many people in this Legislator have complained, and their the people, about when incinerators are proposed for their community. Because..."

"For what purpose does, Mr. Black seek recognition?"

"Well, thank you, very much Mr. Speaker. I believe he's explaining the Bill, but is not posted on the board. I believe he's explaining 4154."

"Yes. I think that your right. No...what"

"Unless we've got a radioactive incinerator you don't want to build or something I'm confused here."

"Right now we're on 4155."

"Okay. Well, this is...you're right this is a vote low level radioactive waste Bill. The last Bill was a moratorium on incinerator so...same story from last Bill."

"Those in favor of the Motion vote 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all 123  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 4, 1990 1llth Legislative Day voted who wish? The Clerk, shall take the record. On this question there are 29 'ayes', 39 'nos'. The Motion fails. House Bill 4187, Mr. Young." Young, A.: "Thank you, Mr. Speaker Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I move to discharge House Bill 4187 from further consideration from the Judiciary II Committee, and move to the Order of Second Reading. This Bill was posted, I am a Member of the committee and attempted to have it heard. Due to the workload of the committee and...the Chairman only having a Members call Bill where they have witnesses for, this Bill was not able to be heard. I move that it be discharged."

"The Chair recognizes Mr. Homer."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have no objection to the Gentleman's Motion. We had 105 Bills in the committee yesterday, and I think this was one where the Sponsor thought it was going to be called and through inadvertence it wasn't. It's a non-controversial measure and I support his Motion."

"Those in favor of the Motion vote 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk, shall take the record. On this question there are 94 'aye', 2 'nos'. The Motion is adopted. House Bill 4188, Representative Currie."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and Members of the House. This is yet another of the unposted Bills in the House Energy & Environment Committee. Is a Bill that doesn't stick it's head in the sand and encourages us not to do the same with our own, it deals with the solid waste crisis, and it provides incentives for recycling and other activities at the county level. I think this Bill deserves a hearing, I think that this Legislature is concern to deal only with emergency issues this Session. There is no greater 124  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE lllth Legislative Day May 4, 1990 emergency than the fact that we are running out of solid waste disposal space in the State of Illinois, and I would appreciate your support for this Motion. All Bills deserve a hearing and House Bill 4188 did not have its opportunity during regular committees. Let's give it chance now.'

"Mr. Kulas."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Lady is right this is...the solid waste problem is the most important problem facing this General Assembly, but this Bill isn't. We've got...we've had a Solid Waste Task Force it's been working for over a year's time. We're having a Joint House and Senate Committee meeting with them next week, where we will be discussing these issues, and I would ask for a 'no', or a 'present' vote."

"Those in... Representative Breslin."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen I wish to point out that the Solid Waste Reduction Task Force has been meeting and are very close to what we hope will be an agreement. When that Task Force was convened it was agreed that if there was no consensus each party could go off on their own, on their own individual topics. The purpose for this Bill was to provide the vehicle should an agreement not be provided. Now, Representative Kulas introduced his own Bill as a vehicle for the same purpose on in for...for what would be the business side of the issue. This is the environmentalist vehicle should it be available, I agree we don't need lots of vehicles, but I think the commitment of the Task Force requires that in good faith both be allowed to have vehicles, if there is no consensus. I expect consensus I hope for consensus I will be working for consensus, but I think fairness demands that this Bill be on the floor waiting for that consensus to happen, and perhaps causing that consensus to happen. I support, 125  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE lllth Legislative Day Representative Currie in her Motion."

"Mr. Balanoff."

"Yes, I also rise in support of Representative Currie's, Motion. The solid waste crisis that we face has been answered. It's called recycling and source reduction the people in our districts are crying out that they don't want landfills in their backyards and they don't want incinerators in their backyards. That they want recycling and they want source reduction of toxics and other...and all kinds of things. So, I would urge a favorable vote on..."

"Mr. Kulas."

"On a point of personal privilege. The Bill that I introduced was not a Bill on behalf of the business industry or the manufacturers or the chamber or anyone else. That was the Bill put together by the ad-hoc Committee of which the Illinois environmental councils was a member. I'm not fronting for any interest group, I'm trying to work this problem out. We have a vehicle out there, and we'll do something but this isn't one of them."

"Those in favor of the Motion vote 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk, shall take the record. On this question there are 41 'ayes', 28 'nos'. The Motion fails. House Bill 4193, Mr. Keane. Mr. Keane."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I...move to discharge Economic Development from further consideration. And advance to the Order of Second Reading house Bill 4193, after my Bill was posted to committee there were no further committee hearings. So it was impossible for the Bill to be heard."

"Mr. Curran. Mr. Curran,'

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. What 126  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE lllth Legislative Day May 4, 1990 The Gentleman says is accurate almost to 100 percent. The Bill was just got out of Rules one day before the committee had its final meeting. We had no meetings in the final week. I don't see how the Gentleman could have possibly known when the committee hearing was it was 7:00 o'clock in morning and...I can't possibly oppose his Motion because he didn't have time to have his Bill heard. My comments will be the same for the next Bill because both Bills got out on April 24th at Rules, and the final day for the committee meeting was April 25th, at 7:00 o'clock in the morning."

"Mr. Johnson. Mr. Harris."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, as the Minority Spokesman on this committee, I can understand what the distinguished Gentlemen from Cook County is trying to do. However, the chairmen of this committee was very straight forward with every Member of the House, saying we are going to have one committee meeting he was very clear as to when that was going to occur he said to everyone this is it, this is your opportunity. Many of us on this side of the aisle have voted to preserve the integrity of the process. Have voted for many of these Bills that did not get posted. The Gentlemen from Cook has been here long enough to know that he can ask to waive the posting requirements to have a Bill heard even it doesn't come out in time. I submit he could have done that this time, again preserve the integrity of the process not talking about the merits of the Bill which we could call into question, in my opinion. But I think the discharge Motion is inappropriate and would urge a 'no' vote."

"Mr. Keane, to close."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like, if it's feasonable I might as well take this one and the next one on a a same 127  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE lllth Legislative Day May 4, 1990 My Motions Roll Call, because they are both my Motions. My Motions were both based on the same factors. The, I was not aware to what committee the Bill had been posted, because I did not receive notice until after your committee met. In other words the Bill was posted to this committee one day sometime during that day, the committee met at 7:00 Α.Μ. the next morning. I was notified of the posting where it was posted after the committee adjourned. I may, I don't know how any Member can possibly would have to walk around with some kind of foresight. I don't have it, I have to wait until someone tells me where my Bills are assigned before I can ask for them to be posted. I agreed with you had I known, I would have asked for waived the posting requirements, but I did not have that opportunity. And I would ask that you discharge committee."

"Those in favor of the Motion vote 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question there are 81 'ayes', 17 'nos'. The Motion is adopted. House Bill 4194, Mr. Keane."

"I would ask for the same Roll Call. Is Leave for the same Roll Call?"

"Is there leave for the use the previous Roll Call? You heard his Motion. Leave is granted, and the Motion to House Bill 4194 is adopted using the Attendance Roll Call. House Bill 4211, Representative Parcells."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This is a good government Bill it is one of the best Bills we've had this year, and I move to discharge it from constitutional officers and advance it to the Order of Second Reading. Perhaps the committee wasn't aware that the Amendment became one of the better Bills of this Session, and would...taxpayer's 128  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE lllth Legislative Day May 4, 1990 millions of dollars that they would make in interest on their hard earned tax dollars...because the treasury has invested those funds in banks with no interest being earned on it. You all read the audit...to many dollars in un...interest. This merely says that all the treasury dollars that the state has will be will earn interest...cost us at the bank and we'll know exactly...earning at all times. Unfortunately the committee turned it into a partisian Roll Call, it was meant to be a good government Bill. The taxpayers of this state will earn interest...treasury and the treasurer will...services of the Bank and we'll have a perfect audit. I ask for your 'aye' vote to discharge the committee."

"The Chair recognizes the Chairman of the committee, Mr. Brunsvold."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker , Ladies and Gentlemen. The Lady did receive a fair hearing in committee, there was a vote she didn't get enough votes...committee. And I'd ask for a 'no' vote."

"Those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk, shall take the record." On this question there are 55 'ayes', 36 'nos'. The Motion fails on Page 40 of the Calendar there appears the Order of Consent Calendar, Third Reading Second Day. Mr. Johnson." Johnson; "I thought we were on the Order of Motions."

"We just left the Order of Motions."

"Why did we leave the Order of Motions?"

"Because we had finished the Motions concerning Johnson: the...Bills." "...We have a general practice of completing an Order of Business. We only got three more Motion on there." 129  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE lllth Legislative Day May 4, 1990

"Well, not to my knowledge, Mr. Johnson. On the Order of Consent Calendar Mr. Young, in the Chair."

"On the Order of Consent Calendar, we have one Bill that requires an Amendment House Bill 3312. Mr. Steczo asks leave of the House to bring House Bill 3312 back to Second Reading, for purposes of an Amendment. Does the Gentleman have leave? Representative McCracken,"

"Could you...I realize you can do this by a 60 vote Motion. But would you just tell us what the Amendment does?"

"Representative McCracken, the Bill represents a agreement between the architects and the home builders. And when they reviewed it they realized that there had been a few words that was left out, that were left out. So, the Amendment seeks to put the Bill actually in proper form it...with agreement they reached."

"That's fine."

"The Gentleman has leave to return the Bill to Second Reading. Now, he asks leave that House Bill 3312 be returned to the Consent Calendar. Does this Gentleman have leave? Yes, leave is granted by use of the Attendance Roll Call. There's another Bill on the Consent Calendar that requires an amendment, House Bill 3480. Representative Currie."

"Thank you, Mr Speaker. Amendment 1 to House Bill 3480 is a technical clarification...may I bring it back...I'm sorry."

"Excuse me...Representative Currie asks leave to return House Bill 3480 to Second Reading for purposes of amendment. Does the Lady have leave? Leave is granted by use of the Attendance Roll Call."

"Floor Amendment #1 offered by Representative Currie." 130  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE lllth Legislative Day

"Representative Currie." "Thank you. Mr Speaker, Members of the just a technical clarification." May 4, 1990 House, this is

"The Lady asks leave for the pass...for the adoption of Floor Amendment #31. All those in favor say 'aye', those opposed... Representative Johnson. All those in favor of the adoption of Floor Amendment say 'aye', those opposed say 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair the 'ayes' have it, and the Amendment is adopted. Third Reading."

"And return."

"The Lady asks leave to return House Bill 3480 to the Consent Calendar. Does she have leave? Leave is granted by use of the Attendance Roll Call. Read the Bills, Mr Clerk."

"Consent Calendar, Third Reading, Second Day. House Bill 318, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Third Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 1190, a Bill for an Act to amend the Public Community College Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2875, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 3038, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Vehicle Code. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 3055, a Bill for an Act relating to international wills. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 3065, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Credit Union Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 3091, a Bill for an Act to amend the Township Law. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 3149, a Bill for an Act to amend the Pharmacy Practice Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 3166, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Nursing Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 3190, a Bill for an Act to amend the Voluntary Payroll Deductions Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House 131  1llth Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 4, 1990 Bill 3195, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Drainage Code. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 3202, a Bill for an Act to amend the Sanitary District Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 3297, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Vehicle Code. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 3312, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Architects Practice Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 3383, a Bill for an Act to revise the law in relation to plats. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 3406, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Municipal Code. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 3424, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Banking Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 3469, a Bill for an Act to amend the Limited Health Services Organization Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 3480, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Public Aid Code. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 3490, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act concerning fire protection. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 3529, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Insurance Code. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 3530, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Insurance Code. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 3580, a Bill for an Act to amend the Juvenile Court Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 3614, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Public Aid Code. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 3629, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act concerning fire protection. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 3682, a Bill for an Act to amend the Emergency Telephone System Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 3694, a Bill for an Act to amend the Vital Records Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 3732, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Savings and Loan Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 3733, a Bill 132  lllth Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 4, 1990 for an Act to amend the Children and Family Services Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 3737..."

"Excuse me. Representative... Representative Cullerton for what purpose do you seek recognition?"

"Yes. Could I ask the Clerk to check House Bill 3732, Representative Piel's. I believe that we asked that be removed from the Consent Calendar."

"House Bill 3732 is removed from the Consent Calendar. House Bill 3737, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Drainage Code. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 3738, a Bill for an Act to amend the Conservation District Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 3795, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act in relation to county boards. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 3841, a Bill for an Act to amend the County Codes. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 3843 is removed from the Consent Calendar. House Bill 3849, a Bill for an Act to amend the County Codes. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 3870 has been removed from the Consent Calendar."

"The question is, 'Shall the Bills on the Hou...Consent Calendar pass?'. All those in favor vote 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr Clerk take the record. On the question of the Consent Calendar there are 113 voting 'yes', none voting 'no', 1 voting 'present'. These Bill having received the required Constitutional Majority are hereby declared passed. Representative Levin, now moves that the following Bills be placed on Interim Study. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bills."

"How far down are we on this? House Bills 8, by Levin; 254, Satterthwaite...36 is already on Interim Study by Levin; 254, Satterthwaite; 299, Levin; 626, Levin; 816, Levin; 1063, Levin; 1234, Levin; 1837, Levin; 1913 is 133  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE lllth Legislative Day May 4, 1990 already on Interim Study: 2684, Balanoff; 2915, Weller; 2920, Levin; 2982, Weller is already on Interim Study; 2983, Weller is already on Interim Study; 2984, Weller;. 2986, Weller; 2987, Weller; 3215, Levin; 3301, Levin; 3552, Levin; 3756, Levin; 3786, Levin; 3919, Weller is already on Interim Study; 3925, Weller; 4102, Levin; and 4063, Didrickson."

"Does the Gentleman have leave to have these Bills placed in Interim Study? Leave is granted. The Adjournment Resolution. Read the Resolution, Mr Clerk."

"House...Senate Joint Resolution 167. Resolved by the Senate of the 86th General Assembly of the State of Illinois, the House of Representatives concurring herein, that when the two Houses adjourn on Friday, May 4, 1990, they stand adjourned until Tuesday, May 8, 1990 at 12:00 o'clock noon."

"Representative Cullerton moves the adoption of the Adjournment Resolution. All those in favor say 'aye', those opposed say 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair the 'ayes' have it, and the Adjournment Resolution is adopted. Agreed Resolutions."

"Senate Joint Resolution 159, offered by Madigan Daniels. House Joint Resolution 126, Currie. House Resolution 1646, Johnson; 1647, Keane; 1648, Keane, 1649, McPike; 1651, Weaver 1652, Leverenz."

"Representative Cullerton now moves for the adoption of the Agreed Resolutions. All those in favor say 'aye', those opposed say 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair the 'ayes' have it, and the Agreed Resolutions are adopted. General Resolutions."

"House Resolution 1650, offered by Representative Hicks."

"Committee on Assignment. Consent Calendar Agreed 134  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE lllth Legislative Day Resolutions." May 4, 1990

"On page 45 on the Calendar, House Resolution 1356, urges Congress not to remove jurisdiction from the Illinois Department of Insurance from the Federal Crop Insurance Program, and Senate Joint Resolution 34 urges Congress to allow for more Agriculture Development Bonds. Fourth Day on the Consent Calendar."

"Question is, 'Shall these Resolutions be adopted?' All those in favor say 'aye', those opposed say 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair the 'ayes' have it, and the Resolutions are adopted. Representative Cullerton now moves that the House stands adjourned until Tuesday at the hour of 12:00 o'clock. All those in favor say 'aye', those opposed say 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair the 'ayes' have it, and the House now stands adjourned." 135  REPORT: TIFLDAY PAGE: 001 STATE OF ILLINOIS 86TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES DAILY TRANSCRIPTION OF DEBATE INDEX MAY 04, 1990 90/08/02 14:25:57 HB-0339 MOTION PAGE 73 HB-0391 SECOND READING PAGE 2 HB-0493 SECOND READING PAGE 65 HB-0613 SECOND READING PAGE 2 HB-0613 HELD ON SECOND PAGE 2 H3-0632 MOTION PAGE 80 H3-0948 SECOND READING PAGE 80 HB-1014 SECOND READING PAGE 22 HB-1050 MOTION PAGE 82 HB-1173 MOTION PAGE 85 HB-1220 SECOND READING PAGE 3 HB-1220 SECOND READING PAGE 43 HB-1220 HELD ON SECOND PAGE 3 HB-1222 SECOND READING PAGE 44 HB-1268 SECOND READING PAGE 39 HB-1585 SECOND READING PAGE 42 HB-1632 SECOND READING PAGE 4 HB-1632 SECOND READING PAGE 8 HB-1632 OUT OF RECORD PAGE 4 HB-1681 SECOND READING PAGE 3 HB-1762 SECOND READING PAGE 4 HB-1856 SECOND READING PAGE 54 HB-2013 SECOND READING PAGE 17 HB-2023 MOTION PAGE 86 HB-2027 MOTION PAGE 86 HB-2185 SECOND READING PAGE 7 HB-2366 SECOND READING PAGE 48 HB-2367 SECOND READING PAGE 48 HB-2377 SECOND READING PAGE 45 HB-2378 SECOND READING PAGE 46 HB-2388 SECOND READING PAGE 46 HB-2389 SECOND READING PAGE 46 HB-2619 SECOND READING PAGE 66 H3-2853 SECOND READING PAGE 6 HB-2870 MOTION PAGE 54 HB-2887 SECOND READING PAGE 25 H8-2907 SECOND READING PAGE 47 HB-2908 MOTION PAGE 87 H3-2915 MOTION PAGE 91 HB-2921 SECOND READING PAGE 66 HB-2926 MOTION PAGE 92 HB-2930 SECOND READING PAGE 27 H0-2941 SECOND READING PAGE 49 HB-2967 HOTION PAGE 93 HB-2972 SECOND READING PAGE 67 HB-2985 SECOND READING PAGE 67 HB-2986 MOTION PAGE 94 HB-2988 THIRD READING PAGE 55 HB-2998 SECOND READING PAGE 8 HB-3028 SECOND READING PAGE 46 HB-3051 SECOND READING PAGE 16 HB-3061 SECOND READING PAGE 23 HB-3069 MUTION PAGE 95 HB-3084 SECOND READING PAGE 9 HB-3085 SECOND READING PAGE 9 HB-3085 SECOND READING PAGE 11 HB-3091 SECOND READING PAGE 2 HB-3120 SECOND READING PAGE 49 HB-3133 NOTION PAGE 96 HB-3151 THIRD READING PAGE 65 HB-3176 SECOND READING PAGE 9 HB-3180 SECOND READING PAGE 40 HB-3196 SECOND READING PAGE 48 HB-3204 SECOND READING PAGE 27  REPORT: TIFLDAY PAGE: 002 STATE OF ILLINOIS 86TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES DAILY TRANSCRIPTION OF DEBATE INDEX MAY 04, 1990 90/08/02 14:25:57 HB-3221 SECOND READING PAGE 9 HB-3221 HELD ON SECOND PAGE 9 HB-3239 SECOND READING PAGE 30 HB-3246 SECOND READING PAGE 42 HB-3289 MOTION PAGE 99 H3-3290 SECOND READING PAGE 10 H3-3293 SECOND READING PAGE 52 HB-3294 SECOND READING PAGE 52 HB-3299 SECOND READING PAGE 10 HB-3302 SECOND READING PAGE 10 HB-3312 RECALLED PAGE 130 HB-3312 MOTION PAGE 130 HB-3318 SECOND READING PAGE 18 HB-3333 SECOND READING PAGE 51 HB-3336 SECOND READING PAGE 11 H3-3347 SECOND READING PAGE 18 HB-3393 SECOND READING PAGE 47 -3398 SECOND READING PAGE 52 H8-3421 SECOND READING PAGE 11 HB-3426 SECOND READING PAGE 42 HB-3429 SECOND READING PAGE 19 HB-3468 SECOND READING PAGE 23 HB-3480 RECALLED PAGE 130 H8-3480 MOTION PAGE 131 H8-3486 MOTION PAGE 101 HB-3437 SECOND READING PAGE 12 HB-3493 SECOND READING PAGE 42 HB-3515 SECOND READING PAGE 19 HB-3521 SECOND READING PAGE 40 HB-3528 SECOND READING PAGE 23 HB-3558 SECOND READING PAGE 28 H6-3569 SECOND READING PAGE 12 HB-3571 SECOND READING PAGE 52 HE-3574 MOTION PAGE 103 H8-3575 SECOND READING PAGE 20 HB-3576 SECOND READING PAGE 20 HB-3577 SECOND READING PAGE 28 HB-3585 MOTION PAGE 102 HB-3591 SECOND READING PAGE 53 HB-3599 SECOND READING PAGE 20 H8-3619 MOTION PAGE 102 HB-3624 SECOND READING PAGE 24 H3-3630 SECOND READING PAGE 27 HB-3634 MOTION PAGE 104 HB-3651 SECOND READING PAGE 12 HB-3655 SECOND READING PAGE 21 HA-3681 MOTION PAGE 106 HB-3732 MOTION PAGE 133 HB-3740 SECOND READING PAGE 24 HE-3745 SECOND READING PAGE 12 HB-3748 SECOND READING PAGE 21 HB-3768 MOTION PAGE 107 H3-3769 MOTION PAGE 107 HB-3793 SECOND READING PAGE 47 HB-3820 HOTION PAGE 109 HB-3831 MOTION PAGE 110 HB-3844 MOTION PAGE 112 НБ-3853 SECOND READING PAGE 21 HB-3856 SECOND READING PAGE 24 HB-3877 MOTION PAGE 112 H3-3891 SECOND READING PAGE 43 HB-3966 SECOND READING PAGE 24 HB-3966 SECOND READING PAGE 28 H3-3980 MOTION PAGE 114  REPORT: TIFLDAY PAGE: 003 STATE OF ILLINOIS 86TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES DAILY TRANSCRIPTION OF DEBATE INDEX MAY 04, 1990 90/08/02 14:25:57 HB-3982 MOTION PAGE 116 HB-3989 SECOND READING PAGE 13 HB-3990 MOTION PAGE 116 HB-3991 MOTION PAGE 118 HB-4046 MOTION PAGE 119 HB-4063 MOTION PAGE 120 H3-4082 MOTION PAGE 120 HB-4107 MOTION PAGE 122 HB-4108 MOTION PAGE 122 HB-4109 MOTION PAGE 122 HB-4110 MOTION PAGE 122 HB-4111 MOTION PAGE 122 H8-4112 MOTION PAGE 122 H8-4113 MOTION PAGE 122 HB-4135 SECOND READING PAGE 15 HB-4154 MOTION PAGE 122 HB-4155 MOTION PAGE 123 HB-4187 MOTION PAGE 124 HB-4188 MOTION PAGE 124 H8-4193 MOTION PAGE 126 HB-4211 MOTION PAGE 128 HB-4216 SECOND READING PAGE 21 HR-1650 RESOLUTION OFFERED PAGE 134 SJR-0167 RESOLUTION OFFERED PAGE 134 SUBJECT MATTER HOUSE TO ORDER SPEAKER MCPIKE PAGE 1 PRAYER REVEREND RON WOODS PAGE 1 PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE PAGE 1 ROLL CALL FOR ATTENDANCE PAGE 1 REPRESENTATIVE GIGLIO IN THE CHAIR PAGE 41 CORRECTED COMMITTEE REPORTS PAGE 54 CONSENT CALENDAR SECOND READING PAGE 55 SPEAKER MADIGAN IN THE CHAIR PAGE 72 REPRESENTATIVE YOUNG IN THE CHAIR PAGE 130 CONSENT CALENDAR THIRD READING PAGE 131 INTERIM STUDY CALENDAR PAGE 133 AGREED RESOLUTIONS PAGE 134 CONSENT CALENDAR AGREED RESOLUTIONS PAGE 135 ADJOURNED PAGE 135