June 29, 1992 "The House will come to order. The Chaplain for today is Reverend Bob Clark of First Christian Church in Mattoon, Illinois. Reverend Clark is the guest Representative Weaver. Guests in the balcony may wish to rise and join us for the invocation." of to
"Let us pray. Almighty God, we recognize that we have not utilized all our strength, until we ask You help, and that's why we pray today. We seek Your blessing on each one of these Legislators, that their deliberations and decisions might be as wise, and as honest, and fair, and as compassionate as possible. May they and all the people of Illinois create lives that are worth living and a state worth living them in. Amen."
"We'll be led in the Pledge of Allegiance by Representative Hensel."
Hensel et al: "I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
"Roll Call for Attendance. Matijevich."
Representative Matijevich: "Speaker, the only excused absence on this side of the aisle is Andy McGann, due to the death of his wife."
"Representative Kubik."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Republicans are all here. We'd like to wait a moment to make sure that Representative Petka's switch is on."
"Mr. Clerk, take the record. One hundred and seventeen Members answering the Roll Call, a quorum is present. Concurrences. Representative Hoffman, 3785." Hoffman,
"Thank the House. you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of House Bill...I would like to move to concur 1 STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 165th Legislative Day June 29, 1992 with Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 3785. Briefly, what this would do is set up a task force to look at infant deaths when the children are under the care of DCFS. The Department is in agreement. This could, possibly, in the future make them eligible for additional federal funding."
"Any discussion of the Gentleman's Motion? The quest...the question is, 'Shall the House concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 3785?' All those in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. This is final action. Have all voted. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Motion, there are 113 'ayes' and no 'nays', and the House does concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 3785; and this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Mr. LeFlore, 4070. House Bill 4070."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (House Bill) 4070, Amendment #2, I would like to concur with Amendment #2 to 4070."
"A brief explanation of the Amendment, please. A brief explanation of the Amendment."
"The Amendment authorize fund guarantee for private sector projects, allows the treasurers to obtain insurance to support the guarantee, limit the amount of guarantee that may be outstanding at the time under the program. This is to help small business to secure loans with some type of protection."
"And, on the Gentleman's Motion, Representative Black."
"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"
"Yes."
"Representative, as amended, does this Act allow...the State Treasurer to...sell bonds to create the Illinois 2 STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 165th Legislative Day Small Business Guaranty Fund?" June 29, 1992
"Yes, it will, Representative."
"Is there a specific amount of bonds that the Treasurer might be able to sell? Is it limited in the language at all?"
"Not to my knowledge."
"All right. Thank you very much, Representative. I appreciate your forthrightness in your answer. Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I rise in opposition in (sic) the Concurrence Motion to House Bill 4070. What...we are doing with this Amendment is we're allowing the State Treasurer, and it makes no difference to me whether that Treasurer is Republican or Democrat, we're allowing the State Treasurer to sell, as I understand from the Sponsor, without limit, bonds in order to guarantee this Small Business Surety Bond Act. Now, we already have billions of dollars in bonds outstanding in this state. I think this is a...at this particular point in time, very, very ill advised to allow the Treasurer's Office to sell bonds, no limit, to guarantee some Business Surety Bond Guarantee Act. While the underlying idea may be good, the prospect of having any of our state offices being able to add to our bonded indebtedness, without the authority of the General Assembly or the voters of the State of Illinois, is bad fiscal policy at this time. I would ask a 'no' vote, Mr. Speaker, on the Concurrence Motion, and that we'll request a vertification should the requisite number of votes pass this Concurrence Motion.".
"The Gentleman would like to take the Bill out of the record at this time. Representative Parcells. Representative Parcells? Mr. Keane, on 3673. Concurrence. Representative Keane." 3 STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 165th Legislative Day June 29, 1992
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I move to concur with Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 3673. The Amendment is a technical one, and there is no opposition that I am aware of to the Amendment."
"Is there any discussion on the Motion? There being none, the question is, 'Shall the House concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 3673?' All in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Senator McNamara. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Motion, there are 112 'ayes' and no 'nays', and the House does concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 3673; and this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Obrzut. Mr. Hicks. Representative Hicks. Representative Ronan. Representative Stange. Mr. Stange. Representative Kirkland. Representative Currie. Well, that's the end of the Calendar. Children and Family Law. Representative Bill Peterson, House Bill 3460."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I move to concur with Amendment 1 on House Bill 3460. Amendment 1 changes the annual filing deadline from January 31st to April 15th for filing with the county assessor or supervisor of assessments, those properties of at least 10 acres to be classified as open space, as allowed under the current revenue statutes. I move for concurrence of Amendment 1."
"Mr. Peterson."
"Yes, Mr. Speaker."
"Did you explain the Amendment?"
"Yes, Sir. I did."
"All right, is there any discussion? The question is, 'Shall the House concur in Senate Amendment #1 4 STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 165th Legislative Day June 29, 1992 to House Bill 3460?' All those in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Motion, there are 115 'ayes' and no 'nays', and the House does concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 3460, and this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. All right, lobbyists should observe the rules of the House. Lobbyists are not permitted on the House floor. Lobbyists are not permitted on the House floor. Representative Keane. Representative Keane."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I move to non-concur in Senate Amendments to 30... House..."
"Excuse me, I'd better tell everybody the Bill. House Bill 3739."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I move to non-concur in the Senate Amendments 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 to House Bill 3739,"
"All right. The Motion is non-concurrence. The question is 'Shall the House non-concur in Senate Amendments #1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 to House Bill 3739?' All in favor say 'aye', opposed, 'no'. The 'ayes' have it, and the House non-concurs in these 5 Amendments. Representative Keane, in the chair."
"Senate Bills - Third Reading, appears Senate Bill 1519, Representative Capparelli. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"Senate Bill 1519, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Banking Act. Third Reading of the Bill."
"Represent... Representative Capparelli."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. House Amendment 1, which we did yesterday, represents the Illinois banking industries' response to the Federal Deposit Insurance Act; and if you 5 STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 165th Legislative Day June 29, 1992 don't remember, here's what it does: it redresses the disparity between banks that used to merge, they can now convert a savings and loan to a bank; change the acting (sic) date from August the 1st to June 1st; and a savings loan association and a bank would commonly own for atleast two years or as effective date of the Bill; and the bank in organization total assets are at least as large as the savings and loan association assets. I understand this is approved by both the banking association community banks and the banking industry, and I ask for a favorable Roll Call."
"On the issue, Representative Black."
"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"
"He indicates he will."
"Representative, let's get one thing on the record."
"Yeah."
"At the last few minutes there have been some rumors that somewhere in House Amendment 1 to Senate Bill 1519 is a provision that would allow banks to sell insurance."
"Absolutely not."
"We have your word that no such language exists in that Amendment."
"Absolutely not. We'll do that on a separate Bill next year."
"Thank you very much, Representative. Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. As far as I know, the Sponsor of this Bill has been forthright and up-front with what's in this Bill...what's in this Amendment now. The Illinois bankers and the Community Bankers Association have urged support for House Amendment #1. It's my understanding the Department of Financial Institutions is 6 STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 165th Legislative Day June 29, 1992 neutral on this. I'm very comfortable that the Sponsor would not be party to adding a provision that banks could sell insurance in this Bill at this late hour of the Session. I intend to vote 'aye'."
"The question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all opposed vote 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Bill, there are lll voting 'aye', none voting 'no', 1 voting 'present', and Senate Bill 1519, having received the required Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. If there are any Members with any business to bring before the House, we're waiting to do business. Representative Schoenberg."
"Yes, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. A point of personal privilege. I'd like to call to your attention an item which was left on each of your desks relating to the largest airlift the Corn Beef Cartel in the history of the Illinois General Assembly. Tomorrow, on a commercial plane, we will have 50 pounds of freshly sliced corn beef, courtesy of Best Kosher Corn Beef from Chicago's own south side. This bipartisan kosher coalition couldn't be possible without the help of Representative Manny Hoffman who has helped facilitate this airlift. What we ask of you is that so that we can facilitate all your orders, if you take a moment and fill out the form and return it to either Representative Hoffman or myself, no later than 1:00 today. This is very much like the Agreed Bill List, where you have to meet the deadline. We'd certainly appreciate it, and we will do our best to serve you, courtesy of Best Kosher, tomorrow at the Speaker's Conference Room at around lunch time. So, please, get in 7 165th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 29, 1992 your order by 1:00 today. Thank you."
"Are there Irish potatoes with it? I've been asked."
"There are not. No, there will be no Irish potatoes. This is an ethnic delicacy, no white bread, no mayo, no cheese, and we're not kidding. We ask that with your orders, that you do make an advance payment so that we don't have to go around chasing after some of the Members later. I know it runs contrary to practice around here, but that was then, this is now. Thank you."
"On behalf of the Irish Caucus, I'd let you know now we're going to boycott it - without Irish potatoes. Representative Novak... Representative Novak."
"That's a very poor decision, Sir."
"Representative Novak."
"Yes, Mr. Speaker, will the Sponsor yield."
"The...Yeah, the green floor will."
"Representative Schoenberg, could you give me a little information about this. I know I participated in this last year, but what is the brand name of the corned beef?"
"It's from Best Kosher, which is on Chicago's very own south side. Tomorrow morning, they'll be hard at work slicing the pork."
"Did you say on the south side? What ward is that in?"
"I'm not very familiar with the new ward boundaries. I believe Best Kosher is currently in the llth Ward, but under the reapportionment..."
"The 1lth Ward? Isn't that the Ward of Mayor Daley?"
"Excuse me, Sir. You didn't let me finish. I believe that under the new 'map, whichever map that is, this could conceivably end up in the 13th Ward. Being from Chicago's northern suburbs, I'm not as well-versed on the 8 165th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 29, 1992 intricacies of Chicago politics, but the important thing is, Sir, is that we are going to make certain that this very fine delicacy will be made available to all the Members of the Illinois House."
"Well, I appreciate that frankness, and I'm certain...I'm certainly...and you're certainly correct. The food will be delicious. But I need a little bit more information? What is the brand name of the pickles? Are they Clausen pickles?"
"The pickles will be coming from Best Kosher as well. They will be be securingthe corn beef, the bread, and the pickles. Representative Hoffman is taking it upon himself to help facilitate all the other things on tomorrow's scrumptious menu."
"You know, Representative Schoenberg, if this is coming from the 13th Ward, the Speaker's gonna have to vote 'present'. Representative Lang."
"Thank you. Will the Sponsor yield again?"
"He indicates he will?"
"Representative, is this your first Bill?"
"It may be my most successful Bill, but it's not my first Bill."
"I would like to suggest to you that you attempted to do this last year, and it was an abysmal failure. Representative Schakowsky and I had to eatcorn beef out of our hand, because you forgot to order the bread. Will there be a repeat of that this year?"
"Excuse me, Sir. I seem to recall that last year, last year's effort was a limited effort that you were privileged to participate in. It was a private effort, and we decided..."
"As opposed to a public effort? This is a public effort?" 9 STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 165th Legislative Day June 29, 1992
"That's correct. This is being made available to all the Members of the House this year, and because of the overwhelming satisfaction (yourself excluded of course) of last year's effort (I'm sorry about the rye bread, you did get rolls instead if I do recall) we have engaged Best Kosher, which provides millions of pounds of corn beef throughout the United States every year to anxious citizens like yourself."
"Thank you so much."
"Let me interrupt this wonderful dialogue. We're very anxious that throughout the course of the day, those of you who have received indications that you are Members of Conference Committees, let your secretaries know where you are, so that we can contact you when we're looking for signatures on these Conference Committees. Also, if you are on a Conference Committee, or a conferee, be sure to talk to staff about what you want on it, and be sure you have all of your problems worked out. With that in mind, and with everyone talking about food...Representative Weaver, did you have an announcement that you wanted to make? Okay. What we're gonna do is, we're going to recess until 2:00 so that you can go and have lunch. We will be back right at the hour of 2:00. Again, let me urge you to be sure that if you're working on a Conference Committee that needs work, talk to staff. If you are a conferee on a Conference Committee, be sure your secretary knows where you are. Representative McNamara, did you wish to speak? Representative Patterson, Pedersen."
"Yes, Mr. Speaker, we do have some motherhood and apple pie resolutions on the Speaker's Table that you might want to consider."
"We'll have the flags here later at 2:00, and 10 STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 165th Legislative Day June 29, 1992 we'll begin on those."
"Okay."
"Okay, Supplemental Calendar. House Calendar, Supplemental #1, on Non-Concurrence, appear Bills with the following Sponsors: Representative Kubik, Representative Steczo, Representative Bill Peterson, Representative Phelps, and Representative Kubik. Senate Bill 1490, Representative Kubik. Out of the record. Senate Bill 1769, Representative Steczo. Representative Steczo."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I move that the House refuse to recede on House Amendments 1, 2, 3, 4, 7, 8, and 9 to Senate Bill 1789, and we ask for the appointment of a Conference Committee."
"You've heard the Gentleman's Motion. All those in favor say 'aye', all opposed, 'no'. The 'ayes' have it and the Motion is adopted, and the House requests a Conference Committee. Representative Bill Peterson. Representative Peterson."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I move to refuse to recede from Amendment 2 on Senate Bill 1909 and I ask for a Conference Committee report."
"Representative Peterson, how about 1 and 3? Do you want to recede...all Amendments?"
"Is it 1 and 3 that they want to recede from? All right."
"All Amendments."
"I move to refuse to recede from Amendments 1 and 3."
"1, 2, and 3."
"All three? All right."
"Yes, 1, 2, and 3, and request a Conference Committee. You've heard the Gentleman's Motion. All those in favor say 'aye', all opposed, 'no'. The 'ayes' have it 11 STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 165th Legislative Day June 29, 1992 and the Motion carries; and the House does refuse to recede from House Amendments 1, 2 and 3, and requests that a Conference Committee be appointed. Representative Phelps. On Senate Bill 2100, Representative Hartke. We ask leave that Representative Hartke handle that. Representative Hartke moves to refuse to recede from House Amendments 1, 2, 3 and 4, and requests that a Conference Committee be appointed. You've heard the Gentleman's Motion. All those in favor say 'aye', all opposed, 'no'. The 'ayes' have it..."
"I said that real well, I really did. I had a good coach."
"And the House does refuse to recede from Amendment... House Amendments 1, 2, 3 and 4, and requests that a Conference Committee be appointed. Representative Wojcik, for what purpose do you rise?"
"Yes, Mr. Speaker, for a point of personal privilege. Up in the gallery, we have the Mayor of Carol Stream, Mr. Ross Ferraro. Hi, Ross."
"Welcome. On the Order of Non-Concurrence is House Bill 2824, Representative McAuliffe. Representative McAuliffe."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would move to non-concur.
"The Gentleman has moved to non-concur in Senate Amendments #1 and 3 to House Bill 2824. You've heard the Gentleman's Motion. All in favor say 'aye', all opposed, 'no'. The 'ayes' have it and the House non-concurs in Senate Amendments #1 and 3 to House Bill 2824. Representative Parcells, on House Bill 4163."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to non-concur in the Senate Amendment #1 on House Bill 4163."
"You've heard the Lady's Motion. All those in 12 STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 165th Legislative Day June 29, 1992 favor say 'aye', all opposed, 'no'. The 'ayes' have it and the House non-concurs in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 4163. Representative Kubik. We'll be with you in a second Representative. We'll be with you in a second. The Clerk has just stepped away. Representative Kubik. Representative Hoffman, for what reason do you rise?"
"A point of personal privilege, Mr. Speaker. Jeff Schoenberg wanted me to make the final announcement that we have to have all of our flyers in for the gigantic corn beef lift tomorrow. So, a..."
"You're bringing a gigantic corn beef here?" Hoffman, M: "We're trying to get your potatoes for you, and to make that a part of it. But, this doesn't seem to work in that particular delicatessen. Thank you."
"We...we need those Irish potatoes, because the Irish need the jobs anywhere they can get um." Hoffman, M: "Thank you."
"Thank you. Representative Kubik. Representative Kubik, on Senate Bill 1490. Representative Kubik."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would move to refuse to recede from House Amendment #1 to Senate Bill 1490 and call for a Conference Committee."
"You've heard the Gentleman's Motion. All those in favor say 'aye', all opposed, 'no'. The 'ayes' have it, and the House refuses to recede from House Amendment #1 and requests that a Conference Committee Report...a Conference be appointed. Representative Walsh, on Senate Bill 2057."
"Yes, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, we non-concur and refuse to receive (sic) Amendments 1 and 2, and request a Conference Committee."
"You've heard the Gentleman's Motion to refuse to recede from House Amendments 1 and 2 on Senate Bill 2057. 13 STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 165th Legislative Day June 29, 1992 All those in favor say 'aye', all opposed, 'no'. The 'ayes' have it, and the House does refuse to recede from House Amendments 1 and 2, and requests that a Conference Committee be appointed. Representative Rice, for what purpose do you rise?"
"Personal Speaker... Personal privilege, Mr. Speaker."
"State your point."
"I'd like to read a little paragraph to this fine Body."
"Proceed."
"'Waiting for a train to go, or a bus to come, or a plane to go or the mail to come, or the rain to go, or the phone to ring, or the snow to snow, or waiting around for 'yes' or 'no', or waiting for their hair to grow, everyone is just waiting. Waiting for the fish to bite, waiting for the wind to fly a kite, or waiting around for Friday night, or waiting, perhaps, for Uncle Jake down on the second floor, or a pot to boil, or a better...break, or a string ofpearls, or a pair of pants, or a wig with curls, or another chance, everyone is just waiting.' From the library of our August Representative, Daniel Burke."
"Have you got a title for that, Representative? Is that 'Ode to a Legislator'?"
"Or 'The Places You'll Go' by Dr. Seuss."
"Well, Dr. Seuss is real appropriate here. I think, Representative, you'll hear the train when it's comin down the track. Representative Flinn, for what purpose do you rise?
"Well, Mr. Speaker. I don't know what's going on in the back room, but if you don't mind, I'd like to move the previous question."
"Representative Black, do you wish to address the Body?" 14 STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 165th Legislative Day
"Yeah, thank June 29, 1992 you very much, Mr. Speaker. Inquiry of the chair. The Gentleman's Motion, is...is that a debatable Motion, to move the previous question?"
"What we're going to do is call upon the tremendous skills of our parliamentarian, and a..."
"And an outstanding individual he is, too."
"We'll probably get back to you in about a half hour, or thereabouts, after he researches..."
"Well, if he would take that under advisement and get back to us, perhaps a supper recess might be in order."
"I agree."
"Thank you."
"Representative Laurino, in the Chair. Senate Bill 3598. House Bill 3598. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 3598, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Vehicle Code, together with Senate Amendment #1."
"Representative Black."
"Yeah, thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Representative Ryder is tied up. He's asked me to handle this Bill for him and to move that we non-concur in Senate Amendment #1. Put the Bill in conference."
"The Gentleman non-concurs in Amendment #1 to House Bill 3598, and requests a Conference Committee report...establish. All those in favor for the non-concurrence indicate by saying 'aye', opposed, 'nay'. The 'ayes' have it. The House does non-concur in Amendment #1 to House Bill 3598. The Clerk will go to the Introduction of (sic) First Reading, House Bills."
"House Bill 4222, offered by Representative McDonough, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Municipal Code. House Bill 4223, offered by Representative Dunn, a Bill for an Act concerning health care. First 15 165th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 29, 1992 Reading of these Bills."
"Be assigned to Rules Committee."
"Representative Satterthwaite, in the Chair. Members may wish to give me their attention. The Democrats will caucus in Room 114 until aproximately 6:00 p.m. The Republicans are not requesting a conference at this time and so Republicans can take a nap or something. But...but, we do urge everyone to return at approximately 6:00, at the end of the Democratic Conference. In the meantime, there are a number of things happening with Conference Committee reports, several are now being filed, others are in the process where we need signatures, and SO we do intend to work for several hours after the end of the Democratic Conference. So, Democrats will report toRoom 114 immediately for a Democratic Caucus, and we will be back here at approximately 6 p.m."
"Yeah, thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I've been asked to announce a Republican Caucus starting immediately in Room 118. Republican Caucus, Room 118, immediately."
"I'd like to remind the Democratic Members there's a caucus immediately in Room 114. All Democrats. Republicans are caucusing immediately, also in Room 118. Supplemental Calendar #2. On the Order of Non-Concurrence appears Senate Bill 186, Representative Steczo. Steczo in the chamber? Out of the record, Mr. Clerk. Representative Steczo. The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Steczo, Senate Bill 186."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I move that the House refuse to recede from House Amendment #1 to Senate Bill 186, and ask for the appointment of a Conference Committee."
"You've heard the Gentleman's Motion. All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', opposed, 'no'. In the 16 STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 165th Legislative Day June 29, 1992 opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the Motion is adopted. Senate Bill 698, Representative... And the House does request a Conference Committee on Senate Bill 186. Senate Bill 698, Representative Steczo. Representative Steczo, you have three Bills here, (sic) 698 and 963."
"Take this one out of the record for a moment, Take 698 out of the record for a moment, Mr. Speaker."
"All right. How bout 963?"
"Mr. Speaker, on Senate Bill 963, I would move that the House do recede from Amendment #8 to Senate Bill 963."
"You've heard the Gentleman's Motion that the House recede from House Amendment #8 to Senate Bill 963. Any discussion? The Gentleman from Vermilion, Representative Black."
"Yeah, inquiry of the chair."
"Proceed."
"He wants to recede from House Amendment #8?"
"That's correct."
"Is a... Tell me what Amendments, then, are still on this Bill,"
"Mr. Black, the Amendment that would still be on the Bill would be the geologist licensure."
"That was Amendment #6?"
"I believe...I believe you're correct."
"All right, that's right. I remember, this is the one that... Could you wait just a second?... Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Amendment #6 becomes the Bill. I don't want to berate this issue. I think the Amendment pretty much has some good points to it. I just want for the record, the record to show that the Department of Professional Regulation is opposed to the Motion, simply because of...cost of licensure." 17 STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 165th Legislative Day June 29, 1992
"Representative Steczo, to close."
"Just to indicate to the Members of the House, that House Amendment #8, which is an Amendment that we in the House would have preferred to have on the Bill, received 19 votes in the Senate. Rather than send this Bill to Conference Committee, we would just prefer that we recede from the Amendment. So, I would now make that Motion."
"Okay. The question is, 'Shall the House recede from Amendment #8 to Senate Bill 963?' All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', opposed, 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Take the record, Mr. Clerk. On this question, there are 89 voting 'yes' and 28 voting 'no' and the House does recede from Amendment #8 to Senate Bill 963, and this Bill, having received the required Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Currie. Representative Barbara Currie, on House Bill 3261. The Lady from Cook, Representative..."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. I move the House do not concur in the Senate Amendments to House Bill 3261."
"You've heard the Lady's Motion that the House non-concurs in Senate Amendments #1, 2, 3, and 4 to House Bill 3261. All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', opposed, 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it and the House non-concurs. Representative Steczo, are you ready?"
"Mr. Speaker, I'm now prepared to move on Senate Bill 698."
"Senate Bill 698. The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Steczo."
"Mr. Speaker, I would move that the House refuse to 18 STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 165th Legislative Day June 29, 1992 recede from House Amendment #1 to Senate Bill 698, and would ask for the appointment of a Conference Committee."
"You've heard the Gentleman's Motion. The Gentleman moves to refuse to recede on House Amendment #1 to Senate Bill 698, and requests a Conference Committee. Any discussion? Representative Black."
"No discussion. Now that the Board is right, that's fine. We were just concerned that that Bill wasn't up there when he made his Motion."
"All right. All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', opposed, 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it and the House refuses to recede from House Amendment #1 to Senate Bill 698, and a Conference Committee be appointed. All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', 'aye', opposed, 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair the 'ayes' have it and the Motion is adopted. Representative Keane. Representative Jim Keane in the chamber? Representative Laurino. Representative Matijevich. Matijevich, Representative Matijevich, on Conference Committee Report on. Supplemental Calendar #2 appears Senate Bill 1508. The Gentleman from Lake, Representative Matijevich."
"Yes, Mr. Speaker, Senate Bill 1508 is a Bill introduced by Senator Rock and Senator Pate Philip. As many of you know, it left out of the House increasing the commercial fishing...fishing licensees by two. The Conference Committee Report continues to increase those licenses by two, and the quota would be up to the Department, and they will be equally divided by the five licensees. I would move to adopt the Conference Committee Report on Senate Bill 1508."
"Any discussion? The Gentleman from Vermilion, 19 165th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 29, 1992 Representative Black."
"Yeah, thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. First of all, my compliments to the Sponsor for getting this worked out. The only thing that I'm still not sure of in looking at the Conference Committee Report, do we ever define bloater chub in any of this language? If I'm gonna have to eat this stuff, I want to know what it is."
"As far as I'm concerned, a chub's a chub."
"Well, that good enough for me. I think you've got it worked out. Thank you, Representative."
"The question is, 'Shall the House accept the First Conference Committee Report, Senate Bill 1508?', and all those in favor signify by voting 'aye', opposed, 'no'. The voting is open. This is final action. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Granberg, 'aye'. Have all voted who wish? Laurino, 'aye'. Take the record, Mr. Clerk. On this question, there are lll voting 'yes', none voting 'no', and the House does accept the First Conference Committee Report to Senate Bill 1508; and this Bill, having received the required Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Ronan. Representative Ronan, on House Bill 3707."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I've been trying to work out an agreement on this Bill, but right now it looks like we're gonna have to take some action, which means a Conference Committee. So, at this point, I'd move to non-concur on Senate Amendments #2 and 3 to House Bill 3707."
"You've heard the Gentleman's Motion. Any discussion? Hearing none, all those in favor signify by saying 'aye', opposed, 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the House moves to non-concur in Senate Amendments #2 and 3 to House Bill 3708 (sic-3707), 20 STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 165th Legislative Day June 29, 1992 Representative Keane. All right. On the Supplemental Calendar #2, appears House Bill 3594. The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Keane."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Conference Committee Report basically returns the Bill to the shape that it left the House originally. It restates the same subject matter covered by the underlying Bill. It amends the Hotel Operators Occupation Tax to define 'public' and makes the point that this only applies to facilities primarily devoted to employment training. And what we're talking about is the facility that Arthur Andersen uses for training, and that...I think this would also apply to Mc'Donald's and to one other facility. The organization owning the hotel...must be one in which the business activities of its members are coordinated internationally and its members share common policies, and so on; and it's basically restricting...restricting it to the two corporations who own conference centers used primarily as training facilities. I'd be happy to answer any questions, and ask for a favorable vote."
"Representative Keane, can you take this Bill out of the record for about three minutes?"
"Sure."
"Take the Bill out of the record. Representative Bugielski, on Senate Bill 1831."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. I ask that we accept the...First Conference Committee Report on Senate Bill 1831. What this does is...all we are asking is that the county...Cook County can have a year-end fund balance. The State of Illinois, right now on our appropriations, we have to have a year-end balance, and we need state stature (sic) to allow this for Cook County. It 21 STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 165th Legislative Day June 29, 1992 would be like a rainy day fund, and it would be for any unforeseen revenue shortfalls that may occur in the county. There is no state dollars involved, and I just ask that we pass the First Conference Committee Report."
"Any discussion? Hearing none, the question is, 'Shall the House'... Excuse me. Representative Black."
"Yeah, thank you very much, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. It's my understanding, and it's hard to hear in here, excuse me, but this only affects Cook County, and it sounds to me like its a good, conservative, fiscal approach, and I can't imagine why anybody would oppose it. It only affects Cook County, and it has to do with putting them on a little different accounting standard doesn't it? I think...Yeah, thank you very much, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. The Gentleman has a good Conference Committee Report, I intend to vote 'aye'."
"The question is, 'Shall the House accept the First Conference Committee Report, Senate Bill 1831?' And on that question, all those in favor signify by voting 'aye', opposed, 'no'. The voting is open. This is final action. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, 113 voting 'yes', none voting 'no', and the House does accept the First Conference Committee Report to Senate Bill 1831; and this Bill, having received the required Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On State and Local Government, appears House Bill 3188, Representative Hicks. The Gentleman from Jefferson, Representative Hicks."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I would move to non-concur with Senate Amendment #1 22 STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE June 29, 1992 165th Legislative Day on House Bill 3188."
"Any discussion? Hearing none, all those in favor of the Gentlemen's Motion signify by saying 'aye', opposed, 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it, and the House non-concurs in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 3188. Supplemental Calendar #3, Senate Bill 1567, the Gentleman from Cook, Representative McAfee."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would move that the House refuse to recede from House Amendments 1 and 2."
"You've heard the Gentleman's Motion. Any discussion? Hearing none, the question is, 'Shall the House refuse to recede from House Amendments #1 and 2 to Senate Bill 1567?' All right, you heard the Gentleman's Motion to refuse to recede from House Amendments #1 and 2 to Senate Bill 1567 and a Conference Committee be appointed. Any discussion? Hearing none, all those in favor signify by saying 'aye', opposed, 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'aye's have it and the House refuses to recede from House Amendments #1 and 2 to Senate Bill 1567 and a Conference Committee will be appointed. On the Supplemental Calendar #2, appears House Bill 3594, Representative Keane."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I was going over this...I went over this Bill before. Basically, the Bill just...the Conference Committee changes...makes one thing perfectly clear, which wasn't in the Bill as it came back from the Senate, and that adds the fact that the facility had to be primarily devoted to employee training. I move the adoption of the Conference Committee Report."
"Any discussion? The Gentleman from Warren, Representative Hultgren."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise in opposition to House 23 STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 165th Legislative Day June 29, 1992 Bill 3594. It is my understanding that this creates an exemption in the hotel, motel tax for certain companies that operate convention centers. The Amendment states that: it is supposed to be declaratory of existing law. But that's not the position of the Department of Revenue. This is a tax break. And according to the information that I have, it's a tax break for some of the biggest companies in the state - for AT&T and McDonald's. I personally don't intend to vote for a tax break, (even though, perhaps, a modest break) in the hotel, motel tax for some of the biggest companies in the state, in the same year that we may be asked to vote a tax on residents of nursing homes and hospitals. Thank you very much."
"Further discussion? The Gentlemen from Cook, Representative Kubik."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I, too, would rise in opposition. I think the previous speaker has touched on one of the major points. What this particular Bill does, is to allow an exemption of hotel and motel taxes. I might point out that these...companies are also taking advantage of deductions on their income taxes as well, so, they're deducting the expense of the...the subsidiary companies are deducting an expense, and now they also want to be exempt from hotel, motel taxes. In addition, another provision in here which makes me a little uncomfortable and that is that what this Bill does is to say that we cannot audit back-taxes on these companies, that they may owe, so that there are millions of dollars that are presently under audit. What this Bill would do would be to shut that down and not allowthe Department of Revenue to collect some of these past-due taxes. So, I think that...while I know that the 24 STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 165th Legislative Day June 29, 1992 Sponsor is well-intended, and I recognize the difficulty facing the company, I thing this is a bad time to provide a large exemption for a couple of large companies and also remove the ability of the Department of Revenue to audit and collect these taxes. So, I would rise in opposition. If you're concerned about the tax policy, and being able to make sure that we have enough revenue to meet the budget needs of our state. I think you ought to look at this Bill and oppose it at this time. Thank you."
"The Gentleman from Vermilion, Representative Black."
"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"
"He indicates he will."
"Representative, in the Conference Committee Report, it was my impression that some of the offending language had been removed. Is... Could you elaborate on that?"
"Thank you. Yes. Basically, this Bill applies to two private training facilities in the State of Illinois. One is the AT&T facility and the other is the facility for Arthur Andersen consulting and accounting firm. Both of these firms...both of these facilities do not charge people, their employees who use them; they do not charge them room rent when, let's say, someone goes to AT&T to learn how to fix a new phone. There is no rent charge to the employee of AT&T at a training facility. So how can you charge a tax on someone going in, using a facility, for which there's no money paid? This Bill, contrary to the boogieman of a new tax, or whatever it is, or a tax loophole, this applies to two facilities. They're both training facilities, privately owned one's by AT&T, one's by Arthur Andersen and it's for their training of their 25 STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 165th Legislative Day June 29, 1992 employees. So, I think it's very interesting..."
"Thank you, Representative."
"But, it's a difficult thing for a Democrat to be defending Republican facilities, but that's what I'm doin."
"Well, and I think I congratulate you on your effort. But, let me ask you another question or two. This does not apply to a convention center, or a civic center, or any piece of property not owned by one of those two corporations, is that correct?"
"Representative Keane."
"I'm sorry, I was distracted by someone here..."
"It's understandable, very understandable."
"Would the Gentleman repeat his question?"
"This does not then apply to any convention center, or any piece of property other than that owned by those two companies that you have expressed."
"That's correct."
"So, it would not apply if they decided to have a training seminar here in Springfield, at one of our hotels in this city, or any other."
"That's exactly why I refused to accept the Senate Amendment and wanted this Conference Committee."
"All right. Thank you very much, Representative."
"Representative Keane, do you wish to close? The question is, Shall the House adopt the First Conference... Representative Keane."
"Could I have a little order, please? Since this has been touted as a tax...as giving money back to the fat cats. I would like to point out that some of the Members of the Republican party are doing what their Governor has been doing these last few weeks and that's asking for new taxes. If you kill this Bill, what we will do is we will now tax, 26 STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 165th Legislative Day the June 29, 1992 Department of Revenue will now tax the employees of AT&T, who go to the AT&T facility and utilize a room, in the course of their training. You will now levy a new tax on those people. If you go to Arthur Andersen...as employees out at their training facility, they...even though the employees pay nothing for the facility, they will have to levy a tax on those people, and pay the state. So, I think you have to look at this really as a tax increase because these people have not been subject to tax in the past, and for that reason I would ask all Democrats to vote 'no...to vote 'aye' on this, and those who wish...ha, those...confusing myself...those that wish to vote for a tax increase, go ahead and vote 'no'."
"The question is, 'Shall the House adopt the First Conference Committee Report to House Bill 3594?' And on that question, all those in favor signify by voting 'aye', opposed, 'no'. The voting is open. This is final action. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 41 voting 'yes' and 53 voting 'no', and the House does not accept the First Conference Committee Report to House Bill 3594. Representative Keane? Representative Keane, do you request a Second Conference Committee?"
"Why not, Yes."
"The Gentleman asks for a Second Conference Committee. Representative Lang. Senate Bill 2233, on Supplemental Calendar #3. The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Lang."
"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would move that the House refuse to recede from Amendments to Senate Bill 2233 and that a Conference Committee be appointed." 27 STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 165th Legislative Day
"You've heard the Gentleman's discussion? The question is, 'Shall the House refuse to recede in House Amendments #1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 Bill 2233 and a Conference Committee be appointed?' All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', opposed, 'nay'. In the opinion of the chair, the 'ayes' have it. The Gentleman's Motion is carried. June 29, 1992 Motion, any to Senate Representative Matijevich moves that we dispense with the reading of the Journal and that the following Journals be approved: #103, January 8, 1992, through #155, June 16, 1992. All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', opposed, 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair the 'ayes' have it, and the Journal is approved. The Chair would like to remind the Members that if you have Conference Committee...or non-concurrence and Conference Committee Reports to be requested, that you inform your staff personnel, so they can start working on the Conference Committee, and, hopefully, they'll be ready for tomorrow. Agreed Resolutions. All right, the Chair is prepared to adjourn and return tomorrow morning at 11:00. Agreed Resolutions."
Clerk McLennand: "House Resolution 2271, offered by Representative Hannig; House Resolution 2272, offered by Representative Santiago; House Resolution 2273, offered by Representative Leitch; House Resolution 2274, offered by Representative Preston; House Resolution 2275, offered by Representative Kubik; House Resolution 2276, offered by Representative White;" House Resolution 2277, offered by Representative McGuire; House Resolution 2278, offered by Representative Preston; Senate Joint Resolution #177, offered by RepresentativeGiglio; and Senate... House Joint Resolution 157, offered by Representative Novak."
"You've heard the Resolutions. Representative 28 STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 165th Legislative Day June 29, 1992 Matijevich moves the adoption of the Resolutions. All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', opposed, 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair the 'ayes' have it. The... The Resolutions are adopted. Death Resolutions."
"House Resolution 2279, offered by Representative Hultgren and Sieben, offered in respect to the memory of Gale A. Mathers."
"Matijevich moves the adoption of Death Resolutions. All in favor signify by saying 'aye', 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair the 'aye's have it. The Death Resolutions are adopted."
"Representative Black."
"Yeah, thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Excuse me. For purposes of an announcement, this happens to be Representative Ryder and his wife, Peggy's, anniversary, and since Representative Ryder will probably be negotiating all night long. You might want to say to Mrs. Ryder 'Happy Anniversary'. Aren't you glad your husband's in the General Assembly!"
"Representative Schoenberg wants to remind the Members that the air lift for the Kosher Corn Beef will be here tomorrow at 12:00; and on that, Representative Giorgi now moves that this House stand adjourned until tomorrow at 11:00 a.m. All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', opposed, 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair the 'ayes' have it, and the House is adjourned." 29 REPORT: TIFLDAY PAGE: 001 STATE OF ILLINOIS 87TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES DAILY TRANSCRIPTION OF DEBATE INDEX JUNE 29, 1992 92/09/28 15:41:37 HB-2824 NON-CONCURRENCE PAGE 12 HB-3188 NON-CONCURRENCE PAGE 22 HB-3460 CONCURRENCE PAGE 4 HB-3594 CONFERENCE PAGE 21 HB-3594 CONFERENCE PAGE 23 HB-3594 MOTION PAGE 27 HB-3594 OUT OF RECORD PAGE 21 HB-3598 NON-CONCURRENCE PAGE 15 HB-3673 CONCURRENCE PAGE 3 HB-3707 NON-CONCURRENCE PAGE 20 HB-3739 NON-CONCURRENCE PAGE 5 H3-3785 CONCURRENCE PAGE 1 HB-4070 CONCURRENCE PAGE 2 HB-4070 OUT OF RECORD PAGE 3 HB-4163 NON-CONCURRENCE PAGE 12 HB-4222 FIRST READING PAGE 15 HB-4223 FIRST READING PAGE 15 SB-0186 REFUSE TO RECEDE PAGE 16 SB-0698 REFUSE TO RECEDE PAGE 18 SB-0963 RECEDE PAGE 17 SB-1490 NON-CONCURRENCE PAGE 13 SB-1508 CONFERENCE PAGE 19 SB-1519 THIRD READING PAGE 5 SB-1567 REFUSE TO RECEDE PAGE 23 SB-1769 REFUSE TO RECEDE PAGE 11 SB-1831 CONFERENCE PAGE 21 SB-1909 REFUSE TO RECEDE PAGE 11 SB-2057 NON-CONCURRENCE PAGE 13 SB-2100 REFUSE TO RECEDE PAGE 12 SB-2233 REFUSE TO RECEDE PAGE 27 -SB-3261 CONCURRENCE PAGE 18 SUBJECT MATTER HOUSE TO ORDER SPEAKER MCPIKE PAGE 1 PRAYER REVEREND BOB CLARK PAGE i PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE PAGE 1 ROLL CALL FOR ATTENDANCE PAGE L REPRESENTATIVE KEANE IN THE CHAIR PAGE 5 REPRESENTATIVE LAURINO IN THE CHAIR PAGE 15 REPRESENTATIVE SATTERTHWAITE IN THE CHAIR PAGE 16 REPRESENTATIVE GIGLIO IN THE CHAIR PAGE 16 AGREED RESOLUTIONS PAGE 28 DEATH RESOLUTION PAGE 29 ADJOURNED PAGE 29