HThe House W ill come to order . The House will come to order, Rep resentattve Mcpike in the Chair . Mr . Black, for what reason do you rise?'' Black : ''Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. An inquiry of the Chair. We dve noted that the Calendar , excuse me , the electronic board mentions a Supplemental Calendar #9 and we ..vif that be the case , we don 't have one through eight , let alone nine . So , We 'd like that clarified .'' Speaker Mcpike: ''Wel1 , Mr . Black , you are correct. The Calendar that Was passed out today that is called House Calendar is actually a supplement to the Regular Calenda r. So , th is 2 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTAT IVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE F lrst Special Session 29th Legislative Day November 14, 1993 is...this is Supplemental Calendar 49 which is on your desk .'' Black: ''So , that is the Calenda r We lre using?'' Speaker Kcpike t l'Yes , SLr.'' Black : ''Thank you .'' Speaker Mcpike : ''Senate Bill 132. The Bill 's been read a second time previously . Mr. Clerk , are there any Amendments?'' Clerk Rossi: ''Floor Amendment #3, offered by Speaker Madigan.'' Speaker Mcpike : ''A re there any Anendments previously adopted?'' Clerk Rossi: ''Floor Amendment /1 has been adopted to the Bill. No Motions Were filed. Floor Amendment #2 was ruled not qermane. Floor Amendment #3# offered by Speaker Madigan.''
Speaker Mcpike : HRepresentative Balthis: for what reason do you rise?'' Balthis: ''Mr. Speaker, I am always happy to see my name up in lights , but I don 't remember , at some point in time , When I became a Sponsor of Senate Bill 132. Especially, if it is a Bill that 's go ing to bail out those in the City of Chicago . So ...'' Speaker Mcpike : ''Fo r what reason do you rise , Sir?'' Balthis: ''I would like to ask my name be taken off the board .'' Speaker Mcpike : ''Sure . Yeah , I think you can sign a form at the Clerk 's desk and remove your name . All right , Amendment #3...Amendment #3, offered by Speaker Madigan. The Amendment is withd rawn . Further Amendments?'' Clerk Rossi: ''Floo r Amendment #4 : offered by Speaker Madigan e'd Speaker Mcpike : l'Speaker Madigan .'' Madigan: HMr. Speaker, I would propose that We adopt the Amendment on a voice vote , put the Bill on Third Reading and then do our debate on Third Read ing . So , With that, move to adopt the Amendment.'' 3 STATE OF ILLINO IS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPT ION DEBATE F irst Special Session 29th Legislative Day November 14, 1993 Speaker Mcpike: 'lThe question is, 'Shall Amendment /4 be adopted?' All in favor say 'aye '; opposed , 'no '. The 'ayes ' have it. The Amendment is adop ted . Further Amendments?'' Clerk Rossi : ''No further Amendments .'' Speaker Mcpike : ''Third Reading . Mr. Clerk , read the Bill.'' Clerk Rossi: î'Senate Bill 132, a Bill for an Act relatlng to children with disabiliEies. Third Reading of this Bi11.H Speaker Mcpike : ''Speaker Madigan.'' Madigan : ''Mr . Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen , the Bill as amended is concerned w ith the current fiscal crisis of the Chicago Board of Education. The Bill conta ins several provisions and if you would bear w ith me , I would like to take some time to explain what the Bill would p rovide . In the area of financing r the Bill Would autho rize debt issuance by the School Finance Authority in Chicago of $378 m illion . For those of you who are not familiar with the School Finance Authority , is an aqency created by state law . Its sole purpose is to oversee the actlvities of the Chicago Board of Education . The only money that it receives comes from the local real estate tax . So , the School Finance Authority in Chicago does not receive any state money . All of this money comes from the collection of local real estate taxes, and that is the agency that Would be authorized to issue debt of $378 million. Earlier in our discussions of this question we had talked in terms of a loan from the Teachers ' Pension Fund in Chicago . That aspect of the earlier p roposal has been deleted from the Bill and so the Bill no longer provides for a loan from the Chicago Teachers ' Pension Fund . In the a rea of Chapter money, the Bill would provide that approximately $16 4 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPT ION DEBATE First Special Session 29th Legislative Day November l4, 1993 nillion in FY '94 and $16 million in FY '95 of Chapter l money would be used by the central Board of Education in Chicago to pay for its financing . What this means for advocates of Chapter l is that the money that had been expected to be available for the current fiscal year will be reduced by 50% . Let me repeat . The money Which had been expected to be available , as a result of the state budget adopted in July of this year , will be reduced by 50%. Said differently , al1 of the increased money that was expected to be available from the state budget will be divided equally between the local school councils and the central board for the current school year . In other areas of the Bill we deal w ith a variety of matters which have been d iscussed at length throughout this process . So , number one , the status of supernumerary for certain schoo l teachers in Chicago . Supernumerary status for a Chicago schoo l teacher is the Chicago equivalent of bunp ing privileges obtained in downstate Illino is . So , for those of you who rep resent school districts outside of the C ity of Chicago , you know if there is an econom ic layoff in your district, for example, if a school building closes , then w ithin the school district the most senior teachers bump those that are inferior to them in seniority. The last hired are the first fired . It 's a strick seniority basis in every district outside of Chicago . At the time of the adoption of the Chicago reforn law , the bumping provisions were eliminated from state law as they relate to the Chicago Board of Education . What replaced the bumping privileges is this supernumera ry status , and what it means is , that if a build ing closes in the C ity of Chicago and because of that closure, there are twenty-five school 5 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTAT IVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE First Special Session 29th Legislative Day November 14, 1993 Eeachers out of work , those teachers become supernumerary . That means that they have the first right to be interviewed by p rincipals throughout the entire Ch icago school system . Today : today, under current state law , supernumerary status is a lifetime guarantee . If you take the current Illino is 1aw and translate for a Chicago school teacher who is supernumerary, they have a lifettme job guarantee. The contract that Was negotkated between the Board of Educat ion and the Chicago Teachers Union changed the supernumerary status . And ghat this Bill would do , Would be to provide that the state law would mirror the provisions of the contract. And what the contract , and now state law will provide, is that if a teacher is supernumerary , if they hold a certificate where there are no longer course offerings under that certificate , they a re offered the opportunity to retrain themselves , which means they go back to school at their own cost , at night , to get themselves recertified in a different subject area. If they refuse the opportunity to be retrained , if they refuse the opportunity to go back to night school , to pay al1 the cost themselves to get recertified, they're out of a job that day. Now 1et me repeat that . It 's a very important thing to understand . Today supernumezary status means lifetime job guarantee. Under the provisions of this Bill, a supernumerary who is told we no longer have course offerings in your area of certificate and you must retrain yourself, and that supernumerary teacher says , 'I 'm not going to get retrained.' Theydre out of a job. If they say that they wish to be retra tned , they have two years to go back to school and get certificated again . The Board is given another five month period that tbey can grant if they 6 STATE OF ILLINO IS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE First Special Sesslon 29th Legislative Day November l4, 1993 feel that this is in the best interest of the board . Tha t would occur where there is a special need w ith in the system . So, in Chicago there 's a great need fo r special education teachers and if they feel , if the Boa rd felt that a person was getttng recertified ln special education and that it would be in the best interest of the Board and the teacher to grant another five months fo r retraining , then that could be granted by the boa rd and that person could get an additional five months. Another a rea that has been greatly debated is called principal charge. And the question here is , does the principal have unfeathered authority to issue directives to staff people in the school building? That Was also negotiated between the Board and the union . There Was a neW arrançement ag reed upon by the Board and the union and this Bill will change Illino is law to reflect the agreement that was negotiated between the Board and the union . Another area called work rule changes does not appear in state 1aw today . So , under the current contract between the Board and the Teachers ' Unton , if a group of teachers at a particular school build ing want a waiver from the master teacher contract, they need a vo te of 70% of the bargaining unit at the schoo l building to get a waiver from the master contract. This Bill would provide it under state law , two years from now in September of 1995, you would only need a 5l% vote to get that same waiver, which today is provided by contract at 70% . So this ...today is only covered by the contract . It 's not covered by state law . Our Bill would provide that state law would deal with this particular question in the future . There are some significant changes made for the School Finance Autho rity , and in certain instances the School 7 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCR IPTION DEBATE First Special Session 29th Legislative Day November l4 , 1993 Finance Authority will be able to approve a hiring plan. The School Finance Authority Will employ an Inspector General to receive complaints of misfeasance or lack of performance Within al1 of the schools in the City of Chicago . That Inspector General w ill have the authority to conduct investigations and will have subpoena power . In addition to the current authority to g ive , 'yes ' or 'no ' app roval to the contracts of the Chicago Board of Education, in the future the School Finance Autho rity w ill have more specific authority in terms of contract approval and lastly , the School Finance Authority Will be able to order management aud its of the Chicago Board of Education . The Bill further provides that during the period of January to June of 1995, first : the Chicago Board of Education could authorize a binding referendum in Chicago to raise real estake taxes for the use of the Chicago Boa rd of Education . Failing action by the Chicago boa rd of Education then during the same time period , the C ity Council of the City of Chicago wi1l also be authorized to put a referendum question to raise real estate taxes in Chicago . Let me explain . Both of these provisions a re perm issive . They permit , first, the Board of Education, then the City Council to put what would be a bind ing referendum vote to the voters of the City of Chicago . No provisions of the contract negotiated by the Board of Education and the Chicago Teachers ' Union W ill be changed . Please note that the question of work rules is changed by operation of state 1aw in September of 1995 . That would not change the contract which was negotiated by the Boa rd of Education and the Chicago Teachers ' Union . Concerning the length of tern of a principal in the Chicago Board of 8 STATE OF ILLINO IS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCR IPTION DEBATE First Special Session 29th Legislative Day November 14, 1993 Education, this would provide that the length of the term would be four years . And so , if a principal We re to leave , say , during the third year of a four year term , and a new appointment were to be made by the local school council that appointment would be fo r one year only . At the completion of that one yeary there would be a new local school council in place and the new local school council would then select someone to fill the next fou r year term . The date for submission and app roval by the School Finance Authority of the Chicago Board of Education budget is changed from August 30th to August 15th . There is a second window for early retirement opportunity for Chicago teachers contained in this Bill . The Bill further p rovides that principals may enter into contracts up to $10,000 with the approval of the local schoo l council and concerning local school counc il vacancies , it provides that where a person was elected to the local schoo l council is a parent of a child in the school, and that child has left the school, then the parent member of the local school council is no longer a member of the local school council . M r. Speaker, I'm available to answer questions .'' Speaker Mcpike : ''M r. Clerk, would you correct the Attendance Roll Call. Rep resentative Shirley Jones and Representative Lou Jones are not present and were put on the Attendance Roll Call in errorr so please remove then from the A ttendance Roll Call. Speaker Madigan . Speaker Madigan has moved for the passage of Senate Bi1l l32 and on tha t, Minority Leader, Representative Daniels.'' Daniels : ''Thank you , Mr. Speaker , Ladies and Gentlemen of the House . I stand before you p repared to vote in favor of Senate Bill 132. I Will cast a vote in favor of what we 9 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPT ION DEBATE First Special Session 29th Legislative Day November 14, 1993 have hoped to be called Chicago school reform and the answer to the current Chicago school crisis. And I want to make sure that everybody here understands the importance of the person that has called us together and made sure that throughout th is p rocess we have kept our nose to the grindstone . It is because of Governor Edgar 's hard wo rk , leadership and persistence that I believe , that I believe and you go ahead and moan and groan over there but remember we are coming here in response to the Chicago school system at your request , to help you help your own schools. And in the nineteen years I've been in government, I have never seen such a problem where people of that school system have turned their backs consistently on the kids of Chicago . And , right now , I tell you that the leadership of Governor Edgar has helped us resolve this crisis.'' Speaker Mcpike: ''Excuse me# just a minute. Representative Daniels. Representative Daniels, 1et me excuse you just one second . Speaker Madigan .'' Madigan: 9'Mr. Speaker, would you ask the Democrats to give khelr full attention to Mr . Daniels , because he 's usually pretty good on these things .'' Speaker Mcpike : ''Wel1# I think the Speaker did it with more authority than I could , so , Representative Daniels.s' Daniels: ''And it is because of the leadership of Governo r Edgar, that believe that 411,000 students , if we pass this Bill tonight, will be able to return to school tomorrow morning . It was Governo r Edgar who set aside partisan politics , who brought the legislative leaders together , who encouraged us to sit down and forged a reasonable and workable comprom ise that w ill keep the children in school. And it is clear that Governor Edgar has his priorities straight e and for 10 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCR IPTION DEBATE First Special Session 29th Legislative Day November l4, 1993 one , am thankful for his leadership and his statesmanship . This agreement provides for greater principal control, improved financial oversight, and much needed work rule modtEicattons: a11 without addttional state Cinancing . All without requiring one additional state dollar to be sent into a school system that first and foremost needs reform and correction . Thanks to Governor Edgar 's abilities , We were able to negotiate a reasonable comprom ise y one that believe is Workable and necessa ry , and one tha t conta ins significant reforms . This is in my mind is a begtnning and a good start . But, lest anyone m isunderstand what we a re doing here tonight, let 's make sure We also understand that Lt is with a Warning and a caveat to the Chicago education community. That it is, in fact, time to change the norm that we have seen over the past yea rs . That we have consistently seen a refusal to deal with the reform from inside and the requirement now that the state must move clea rly to help Chicago help itself and that 's what this agreement is a1l about . Yes , there are many , nany people in the Chicago system of education that seek this reform and want changes, and changes to be made now. And I would be remiss if I didn 't point out first and foremost that the mayor of Chicago came to us and asked with his reforn plan that we pass some reform mechanisms along w ith financing control. And when the mayo r had the Legislative Leaders in his office , We Republicans signed onto that program and said , 'Mayor, we will wo rk with you to help reform the Chicago school system and to inprove And he said to us things like , is our only hope . We must change the direction of Ch icaço education and Republicans responded by endorsing his plan without cond ition , w ithout 11 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE 0E REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE First Special Session 29th Legislative Day November l4, 1993 turning our backs and saying to the Mayor of Chicago , 'Yes , We understand what youdre trying Eo do.' But instead, what d id we receive? Too many occasionsz frustration from the Minority...Majorkty Party. Too many occasions an unwillingness to negottation the reform the Mayor, himself , asked that the city have in improving its educational system . The Senate Republicans sent to us a plan containinq highlights of that p lan for financial refo rm , referendum conditions to help Chicago help itself, refo rms in the school system and control of principals in operating their own school system . And We Republicans said againy we Would vote fo r that and make the necessa ry changes . And then When the Chicago Board and Chicago Teachers ' Union entered into a legislative p roposal, What did they take out of that? Very important ingredients necessary to meet the conditions of the reform that previously the Mayor had called for. So y when we dre done With the day , what do we have before us now? An negotiated settlement, yes. A reform , yes . A financial conditions that need to be met in order to help the children of Chicago , yes . And a referendum on potential support by taxpayers of Chicago for their own systen . NoW What parent, whether they live in Chicago or Wood Dale or Bensenville or downstate Carlinville or any community , doesn 't want the best for his or her child . We al1 want our children to graduate , not just being able to read and Write, but also seeking a thirst for know ledge, a des ire to better themselves , a desire to have the tools necessary to lead productive and fulfilling lives. Without a good solid educational background , these are not likely . This p lan is a step in the right direction. Althouçh does not go as far as We 12 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE First Special Session 29th Legislative Day November 14, 1993 Would like , with this comp romise We have strived to bring some measure of reform that will give Chicago school children at least a fighting chance in this tough wo rld . These reforms have been highlighted by the Speaker, and although they go far, they don 't go far enough . For the future can only hold the requirement that the Ch icaço education community recogn kze the need that it must b rinq about in reform ing its oWn systen . Al1 that We ask fo r the children of Chicago is what We ask for the ch ildren that we restde w ith or that we represent in the rest of the State of Illinois, and that's the tools to be able to meet the challenges of tomorrow . This plan Will help p rovide that, but not in and of itself . So , Lad ies and Gentlemen of the House , Where I think a 'yes ' vote is the right vote . It also comes with it a caveat and a condition . And that condition is, for the next tWo years, we will be watching the progress in Ch icago schools . We will be holding them up y not only in this State Legislature but throughout an exam ination by th is country as well . Expecting a better perfo rmance by them : expecting a better product of education, and expecting the necessary refo rm that they must have in order for that system to improve . We owe no less for our children . We oWe no less for the future of this qovernment, fo r the future of this state , and the future of those we love the most. I recommend an 'aye ' V O66 *'' Speaker Mcpike : ''Rep resentative Tim Johnson .'' Johnson , T im : ''Thank you , M r. Speaker, Members of the House . As a Legislator who represents downstate Illinois, I guess my analysis of where we 're at today is a combination of bad news and good news . The bad news is that We 're here . I 13 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE First Special Session 29th Legislative Day Novembe r l4, 1993 don 't like being here and being the downstate tail that the Chicago dog wags. I don't like that and I don't think other people do as well. We lve got our p roblems downstate in Newman and in Champaign and Mahomet and everywhere else and we 've got our problens and We don 't have a Special Session of the Legislature convened to deal with that. We have an inefficient system that we 've got to reform . But, however, unlike the past When We fve come down here and taken our assets downstate and sent them to Chicago to deal With their inefficiencies and thelr problem , this is good news. And this is a different story . Because this package represents a victory for downstate taxpayers for tbe first time in my memory. There is no state tax dollars, the re 's no bonding autho rity , there 's no pension money , there 's no road money , there 's no other money being sent to Chicago . We dve prevented the situation that occurred in Missouri where a11 the taxpayers of Missouri were called upon to fund the Kansas City systems by a federal judge and we've also prevented incredible number of dollars flowing from downstate to other places to deal with the consequences of 500,000 children being on the streets and out of school. They 've raised or you dre going to raise in Chicago , your own real estate taxes through a referendum , for a change , like we have to do downstate all the time in referendum after referendum. And so, to that extent this is major victory for downstate taxpayers and not only that , as ha rd as it has been to achieve and as difficult as the battle has been , there is significant reform contained in th is package. Representative Daniels - Representative Madigan have recited a number of those authorities to the p rincipals , some changes to the supernumeraries , change in 14 STATE OP ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTAT IVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE First Special Session 29th Legislative Day November l4, 1993 work rules and other and we 've got to go further. But there a re significant reform s, no downstate money and we held out. We didndt come in here in a day and a day and a half and two days like we have befo re with the White Sox and Mccormick Place and everything else and enact a package thak sends our money from Urbana , Mattoon and Mahomet to Chicago . But we held out fo r a significant period of time and we won . We dre not sending you your...our money . We 're lettlng you deal with your own problemsr deal with your own efficienc ies and at the same time affecting reform in a systen that is so long overdue for reform that it simply cries for it. And so , like the others, and perhaps Crom a different perspective, I urge a 'yes ' vote for downstate Illinois .l' Speaker Mcpike : ''Representative Parke .'' Parke : ''Thank you , Mr. Speaker. W ill the Sponsor yield?'' Speaker Mcpike : ''Yes , he will . Speaker Madigan .'' Parke : ''Speaker Madigan , I need some clarification . What is the value of the bonds that We fre going to borrow? dâ Madigan : ''Three hundred and seventy eight million .'' Parke : ''Thank you . Who backs these bonds? How .oowhat is the backing to be able to guarantee them to the bond houses?'' Madigan : ''The bonds are issued by this agency , the School Finance Autho rity . C reated by state law , iks only source of money would be local real estate taxes. So , the payment for the debt would be fron the local real estate taxes m'' Parke : ''Okay . And I underskand under the legislation that the School Finance Authority will then have the authority to go to the people of Chicago and ask for them to raise the real estate taxes . Is that correct?d' Madigan: ''No . No . It 's the Board of Education and the City & 15 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE First Speciat Session 29th Leg islakive Day November 14, 1993 Council of the City of Chicaqo which has the authority to put a referendum question .'' Parke : ''Okay . What happens if they ...the Chicaqo School Board says, 'We dre not going to do that.' Then what 's the next St;P; ? î' Madigan : ''The next step would be the Chicago City Council .'' Parke : ''What happens if the Chicago City Council says , 'We dre not going to do that d.'' Madigan : HNothing .'' Parke : ''We1l, how do We make that service then?'' Madiqan : ''Mr . Parke , I think that you 're relating the referenda questions to the repayment of the debt and let me do it Ehis way . There fs three agencies here , there 's a School /inance Authority, the Board of Education, City Council of the C ity of Chicago . So z the debt is issued by the School Finance Autho rity , SPA , that agency is not involved in these referenda questions . The second tWo agencies are involved in a ...referenda questions .'' Pa rke : ''Okay . But where do we get the debt service to pay off the bonds that we dve issued to people who have bought them?'' Mad igan : ''Collection of loca l real estate taxes by the School Finance Authority which gets its money from local real estate taxes .'' Parke : ''What if there is not enough real estate taxes to keep the doors open in 1995 and make debt service? What happens then?'' Madigan : HWell, the repayment of this debt comes first. Comes off the top .'' Parke : ''Okay . So , therefore , we 'll have less money to open the doors in 1995 . What happens if we don 't have enough money 16 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTAT IVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE First Special Session 29th Legislative Day November l4, 1993 to open the doors in '95. What do we do then , Mr . Speaker?'' Madigan : ''Wel1, then the Chicago Board of Education must do the best they can and prepare a budget .'' Parke : 'lSo , would that normally mean then tha t the state would have to deal with it in '95 if that were the scenario that played out?'' Madigan : ''Clearly , that is a possibility . Clearly .'' Parke : I'Thank you , Mr. Speaker , appreciate that answer .'' Speaker Mcpike : f'Representative Morrow .'' Morrow : f'Thank you , Mr . Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House . On Senate Bill 134, Members like myself ...or l32 rather, Members like myself that come from the City of Chicago are in a 'damned if you do and a damned if you don 't ' situation . And it is strange that I heard someone say that What a good leader we have on the the second floo r. When I Was told three weeks ago , when I ra ised sone concerns about this Bill , I was told that the deal was cut . It was an agreement between the Board and the union and if we open up the process for you , then we have to open up the process for everyone else . Well it turned out the process was opened for someone, who I will leave nameless, because he is nameless. It seems to me that he got everything that he wanted . And what he Wanted had nothing to do with the children of the City of Chicago . What he wanted Was to put his hand in the pie and just steal a little bit more for him . And I resent the fact made by some of my colleagues that said that their tax dollars are going to the City of Chicago . Then what the hell does our tax dollars from the C ity of Chicago been doing for this state? Someone said , ain 't enough , tell you what , I would like to see 17 STATE OF ILLINO IS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCR IPTION DEBATE First Spectal Session 29th Leqislative Day November 14e 1993 this state live Without the tax dollars from the City of Chicago . I heard someone say that they are down here because of the educational crisis in the City of Chicago . You know why this Session is only for the City of Chlcago? Because we dre not man and Woman enough to deal with the educational crisis throughout this state . I 'm from the City of Chicago , but I Would have gladly been down for the last two or three weeks dealing with the educational problems in your d istrict - your d istrict - your district - and your district. But, we know what the problem is and we dre not willing to face up to The problem ks revenue , and I 'm not necessarily saying we have to raise taxes. I think $30 billion is enough to fund education. If We fund education first and stop painting barns and building running tracts and building roads . I would like to see how much money is in that gas tax fund Where a 1ot of the drivers from the City of Chicago have put money into that fund and then not getting a fa ir return off of their road fare dollars . Children before concrete . So , yes, I 'm in a quandary , I 'm in a dilemma because those are my kids . But I thought they were supposed to be our kids . Just because I happen to represent those kids, if the shoe was on the other foot, I have just as much concern for someone from your district as you Would for m ine , supposedly from m ine . But the sad part is , no one really gives a damn about the children. No one really cares, it's all about jobs and power and contracts. When I...five years ago when we voted on school reform in 1988, many of the Members of this House of Rep resentatives at that time said , 'School reform would not work unless you increase funding .' No one increased the funding . So , that 's why school reform hasn 't 18 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE First Special Session 29th Legislative Day November 14, 1993 worked in Chicago . No one was willing to put their mouth where the money should have been . And finally I 1m go tng to say this : Some of the leaders that we have in this Capitol Build ing are no different from the gang bangers I have in Englewood and in Austin . You declare Na r: the gang bangers and dope dealers have decla red war on my children and so have you . You decla red war on my children and I should be a good God fearin: gentleman and tu rn the other cheek. But when you hit me in the face With your fist , I 'm going to pick up a brick . Yeah , some people are saying : dcharles , you should 1et them vote .' Well: tell you what, maybe I shouldn 't have sa id a brick . Maybe I should have said a tWo by four because many of these Members need some backbone anyway . And you think I 'n being hard , I'n bein: real. Because I 'm tired of hearing time after time again, al1 the eloquent talks, almost want to bring tears to your eyes . I Wonder if this is a Legislative Body or a tryout for the Oscars . But regardless of what happens on Senate Bill 132, understand , understand that one day, and I said this speech when I first got in this chambers seven years ago , when I was the 118th in seniority in this chamber and I am now 43rd in seniority . That should tell you somethkng y many of you will not be back because of your positions and your policies, your constituency is getting fed up w ith th is charade and they w ill send a message to you , and When I say that, I'm going to say it ko the people back in the City of Chicago . I 'm going to say it to the people in the City of Chicaqo who allows this Gove rnor to sit on the second floor . You know some people came into the m inority community and said r 'Go fishing '. Some people came into the m inority community and said that Edgar Would 19 STATE OF ILLINO IS 88th GENERAL A SSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE First Special Session 29th Leqislative Day November l4, 1993 be a good Governor. Well, 1111 tell you , election time is about one year away and if anyone comes into my community and says that Edga r is a good Governor for my community , he 's going to have a rough kime getting out of my community .'' Speaker Mcpike : ''Representative Mulligan .'' Mulligan : 'dThank you , M r. Speaker. W ill the Speaker yield for a question?'' Speiker Mcpike: t'Yes, he will. Speaker Madigan.'' Mulligan: ''I have a concern here that I would just like to point out on the Textbook Playground Fund . Do you think tha t it is the intention of the School Board to raid that fund and make that p rogram nonexistent any longer? They dve kaken money out ln the Spring Session and now they dre taking money out again and that program , to me , appears to be a significant one . It addresses the child ren after school, the latchkey kids , it keeps gangs off the playgrounds and makes a safe place for children to play , and if they are going to raid that fund and elim inate it, think we ought to know that up front.'' Madigan : ''Rep resentative, I don 't know what their intent is . I've had no d iscussions With them regard ing this.'' Mulligan : ''A1l right, I'm ...thank you for the answer. I would just like to read that into the record to make people aware if they don 't know because I think that is a significank program . Ik certa inly gives children after school that have no place else to go a safe place to play and it also gives them help w ith their homework . Many of the park district playgrounds are no longer safe and I think the professionals that man those prog rams make sure that the gangs stay off the playgrounds and that it 's a significant 20 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE First Special Session 29th Leg islative Day November l4 , 1993 p rogram . And , I Would hope it is not the intent of the School Boa rd to continue to raid that playground fund . Thank you o''
I'Representative Skinner .d' Skinner : ''It 's kind of interesting that this debate started out with the assertion that we had lots of debate on the Chicago school crisis. In fact, this is the first day we 've had any debate on the school crisis in public . I would like to suçgest the General Assembly hasn 't learned anythtng since the late 1970 's. We are right back Where we were then, virtually the same reason . The Chicago school system is still terminal, in fact, it's worse . Fifty-one percent dropouts . Now z for those of you who would suggest that we don 't care about your kids, I Would suggest that keeping this system as it is with no systemic change is an absolute guarantee of failure . You dre asking for a l75 million this year, 203 m illion next year out of your money . I 'm willing to adm it that, it 's your money . What am unwilling to agree to is the $400 million handout stretched toward my constituents - taxpayers in 1995. The language in this Bill sets Illinois up for a state income tax increase in 1995. What you 're asking us to buy here is so rt of like a used car. It 's going to last tWo years, but the payments are going to go sixteen years. Now , nobody in this entire chamber Would advise any friend to accepk a deal like that . I believe passage prepares the way fo r a state income tax increase. I shall not vote to prepare the way for a higher state income tax in 1995.11 Speaker Mcpike : ''Rep resentative Monique Davis .'' Davis : ''Thank you , Mr. Speaker. Firsty I Would like to publicly thank Judge Cha rles Kocoras for the waivers that kept 21 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE First Special Session 29th Legislative Day November 14, 1993 411,000 Chicago public school children in school a number of times . We Want to tell him We appreciate his being sensitive to the needs of child ren from Chicago or in Chicago . We 'd also like to take thts opportunity to thank Senator Emil Jones and Speaker Madigan for the long hours in wh ich they had to suppo rt those people who are Wo rking people. They had to be a part of concession and , what shall I say , giving . What th is B ill does is give a g roup of people the right for patronage at the expense of Chicago 's public schools . This position of an Inspector General is noth ing more than patronage for the Republican Party , at the expense of our children . I believe that the concessions that have been made in reference to the supernumeraries is tremendous . The supernumerary teachers no longer have protection . They don 't have what downstate teachers have r and that is seniority rights ; however, for 4,011 (sic - 411,000) children we 'll give that up, too. What this Bill also does is helps to break union rules. In Chicago we will now have or be able to allow 51% of the teachers to say, 'We don 't .oowe want to wa ive that particular union rule ', but at the same time downstate and other teachers in the state w ill not have the option of waiving a union rule, but We gave that up , too . We also find that by allowing our district to borrow th is money and our real estate tax dollars from Chicago paying it back...our children , too , w ill be in school . All of us know that the past sixteen years have not proven p roductive for education . A 1l of us know that We do need a source of revenue for al1 of the schools in the State of Illinois . In 1979, Chicago Was denied the ability to borrow any more , we cannot borrow the Way other school districts can . We 22 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTAT IVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE First Special Session 29th Legislative Day November l4, 1993 have to have What is called a balance budget . And because of that legislative rule , that is What brings us here today and obviously We were on our knees because we gave up everything that could be given up, including $16 million a year that belonged to the poor children . We 're going to use $l6 million that is supposed to be for children who are unpriviledged ...underpriviledged , who need special tutorial services, who need additiona l books, but we 're go ing to give that up , too . And the only thing that We 're do ing is giving up a number of...what shall I say , things that other people have in order to keep the doors open. A re our children worth it? A re 411,000 children wo rth us giving these things up? I think they are . I think they are , and I think *he political patronage that was extracted will be removed as soon as we have a very important election that is coming up real soon .'' Speaker Mcpike : ''AII right, it is *he intent of the Chair to 1et everyone who wishes to speak exp lain their vote . The Chair will recognize everyone to explain their vote . The question is, 'Shall Senate Bill 132 pass? ' A1l those in favor vote 'aye '; opposed vote 'no '. This Bill requires 71 votes . To explain his vote, Representative Brady .'' Brady : ''Thank you, M r. Speaker. I agree with my colleague that this is a vote that has the good and the bad in ik . The good is that 411,000 students W ill be in school tomo rrow if this passes . The good is that there will be no dollars from the rest of the state , that these dollars will come from within the City of Chicago z paid by property taxpayers there . The bad is that Rep resentative Skinner is right; there is a two year problem . And the other bad is that you need to see backbone in the City of Chicago , because the 23 STATE OF ILLINO IS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE First Special Session 29th Legislative Day November 14 , 1993 constituents in my district tell me , 'Why doesn 't Chicago pass a referendum like the rest of the state has to? î And , you need to do that. Today I read in the Tribune that there hasn 't been a referendum put on the ballot since Lyndon Johnson 's presidency . That is lacking in backbone . And to avoid a crisis in two years, I challenge everyone in the City of Chicago to move forward With that, to p rovide that two by four backbone that my colleague on the other side of the aisle spoke so eloquently about . And show us a referendum in the City of Chicago . Show us you have the backbone. Put it in force, pay for your schools as my district has to w ith referendums. Thank you .'' Speaker Mcpike : ''Representative Schakowsky, one minute to explain your vote .'' Schakowsky : 'îThank you p Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. There are some people Who are listening very carefully to this debate, none of whom are here, and those are the 411 ,000 children in the City of Chicago and their parents who care very much what we do here . Now everyone can find something that they don 't like in this Bill. But let 's be clear. If we don 't vote tonight to pass this , the schools will be shut down tomo rrow . There are seniors in high school who are worried about graduating and yes, there are seniors in Chicago Who want to go to college . And there are child ren Who love to lea rn and teachers who , believe it or not, in the City of Chkcaqo do a very good job teaching those children to read and to learn. On behalf of those children , their fam ilies, their teachers who want to progress , let 's do it now and then We 'll come back and we 'll do nore fundamental reco rm . r urge a 'yes ' vote for the kids .'' 24 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE First Special Session 29th Legislative Day Novenber l4 , 1993
HRepresentative Edley g to explain hls vote .'' Edley : ''Thank you , M r. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the General Assembly. I doubt if there are many in this chamber, on either side of the aisle , that would willingly embrace and proudly proclaim kinship of this legislation . Even the Mayor of Chicago has said on a previous , very sim ilar Billy that was a bad deal. Was a bad deal but it was the only deal that was on the table. Quite frankly: the perimeters and the structure forming th is conp romise legislation are set not in a foundation of physical...fiscal or educational responsibility , but on a foundation of political expediency . This is a political docunent to get the Governor and Mayor past the next elections . Dr. Kavorkian couldn 't deliver a mo re fatal dose of fiscal irresponsibllity than is contained in this piece of legislation , for it will topple like a house of cards in kwo yearsm..'' speaker Mcp ike : ''Representative von Bergen Wessels, one minute to explain your vote .'' von Bergen Wessels : ''Thank you , Speaker. Last week we tried to run a Bill to help Mount Morris, the only school district in the state ak imminent risk of running out of money. Three thousand, two hundred and fifty dollars w ill be in their checkbook at the end of December. This chamber stood ready to help , both Republicans and Democrats , but we weren 't able to get so much as one Senator to sign off on the Conference Committee Report. Although there are multiple layers of political reasons as to why We couldn 't get any Senate signatures, the overlying reason was that Mount Morris was inascribably caught in the w rangling over of Chicago schools. Mount Morris has become more than just 25 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE First Special Session 29th Legislative Day November l4, 1993 73l students at risk of having the school doo rs close in January . It has become a symbol for a11 downstate schools in trouble . I cast my vote , not against the child ren of Chicago, God knows they need our help, and not against my Chicago colleagues Whose reasoning last week I could understand and respect ...'' Speaker Mcpike : ''Representative Mautino , one minute to expla in your vote .s' Mautino: HThank you, Mr. Speaker. I yield my time to Representative von Bergen Wessels .'' Speaker Mcpike : ''You can 't yield time in explanation of votes . Everyone has one minute to explain their vo te . Representative Levin, one m inute to explain your vote .'' Levin : ''Thank you , Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House . have very m ixed feelings about this Bill because it diverts Chapter 1 money . I have very m ixed feelings about this Bill because it, to a certain extent , reduces the authority of the principals , but I intend to vote for this Bill because we have to open school tomorrow for the 411,000 school children of Chicago. One major concern I did have, however, has been alleviated . For the last several months, we have seen teachers being placed by the Chicago Board who are not qualified , who are not certificaked , in violation of khe law . And , I Went to the Chicago Boa rd and I got a comm itment from them that they will provide to me in terms of my d istrict and to any other Legislator in terms of his district , an ongoing list of permanent placenents that are made under this leg islation . So that we can be su re that this practice of putting teachers into special ed . who have no ...'' Speaker Mcpike : ''Rep resentative Weller, one minute to explain 26 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE First Special Session 29th Leg islative Day November 14 , 1993 your vote .'' Weller : ''Thank you , M r. Speaker and Lad ies and Gentlemen of the House . Many would wonder Why a downstate and suburban Legislator Would stand in support of this legislation. All of us in this room a re concerned about the children in public education , particularly the 20% that attend the Chicago public schools . W ith the passage of th is legislation , we 'll keep those schools open . What We 've asked for in return which is major management changes of how the Chicago public schools are managed and run is included in this legisla tion . For the first time in many years we 're going to have g reater accountability . We 're also qoing to have changes that are going to better run the schools and protect the interests of the taxpayers of thts state. The best vote is an 'aye ' vote .''
HRep resentakive Black .'' Black : ''Thank you very much , Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House . Some of my colleagues from Chicago were a little quick a while ago , I think, to criticize the Governor, who has exercised his leadership in this measure , but I heard the word patronage mentioned as a reason Why he got involved. Let me quote to you from a book called Chicaqo Schools - Worst in America, written : comp iled by the Chicaqo T ribune in 1988 . From the start of public education in Chicago in 1834, public schools bave beeh the poo r relations of the po litical establishment. They have been used by polktical leaders as a source of patronage kn contracts . The system has been a theifdon o f City Hall with politicians exercising indirect control without fear of being held accountable for the failure of the schools . Ladies and Gentlemen , What this vote is about is an attempt 27 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTAT IVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE First Special Session 29th Legislative Day November 14, 1993 to 1et schools operate tomorrow and to eventually do something in the Way of refo rm . You will reap the success if the schools in Chicago are reformed . You should reap the failures if they are not . A11 you want us to do with our money is to rearrange the deck chairs on the Titanic . We Will not do that anymore. This is your money, your package, your responsibility . That 's al1 I've ever asked for. You accept responsibility for Ch icago schools as I do for Danville schools and those in the 105th District. Th is does that and that 's why I vote 'aye '.'' Speaker Mcpike : ''Have a1l voted? Have a1l voted who wish? Have a11 voted who wish? Representative Novak , one minute to explain your vote .'' Novak : ''Yes, Mr . Speaker. Thank you , Ladies and Gentlemen of the House of Representatives . And I 'm not particularly fond of this plan, but I guess it 's the only thing out the re . Does Chicago have problems in the school system? I think it is an undeniable, yes . Does it have serious problem s with respect of delivering services and management p roblems? think the answer is an undeniable, yes . Does it have a lot of kids that don dt...don 't show up for school and have problems in dysfunctional homes? I think their answer is a clear, yes . But, unfortunately , with the problem s that are highlighted in the City of Chicago there are some good lights in the Ckty oc Ch icago and the way they run their schools . There are a 1ot of success sto ries; there are a 1ot of kids that want to learn . A re We go ing to deprive kids that Want to learn, them the opportunity to go to the school doors tomo rrow morning so they can begin the learning process? I think not . As anokher downstater from Kankakee that faces its own serious financial p roblems , I 'm 28 STATE OF ILLINO IS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTAT IVES TRANSCRIPT ION DEBATE First Special Session 29th Leg islative Day November l4, 1993 happy that this package and this plan that was put together , at least from this prospective, does no* entail any public dollars from the State T reasury , does not require any ...'' Speaker Mcpike: ''AII right, the Chair has announced previously that this requires 71 votes. Representative Delaegher to exp lain your vote , one minute o'' Delaegher: ''Thank you , M r. Chairman . I belteve it behooves each and every downstate Leg lslator to listen to What Johnson said to you . That basically th is Would make no impact on downstate Leg lslators . But you can bet your bottom dollar, if this leg islation is not passed and there are more conferences held , that downstate will then suffer. Use common sense . We have a Bill that basically does not affect us in anyway . It doesn 't hurt us in anyway . We lose no funding . Vote for this Bi1l.H Speaker Mcpike : ''Have a1l voted ? Have a1l voted who Wish? Have al1 voted who w ish? Have all voted who w ish? The Clerk will take the record . Representative Younge votes 'aye '. Wyvetter Younge votes 'aye '. Representative Moore .'' Moore , A .: I'Thank you , Mr. Speaker. I Would request that you change my vote from 'no ' to 'aye d.'l Speaker Mcpike : ''Change Representative Moore to laye '. Representative Kubik votes 'aye '. Representative Bob Olson is voting 'aye '. Representative Salvi votes 'aye '. Representative Roskam votes 'aye '. Mr . Salv i, turn off your light . Representative Pugh votes 'aye '. Rep resentative Hawkins votes 'no '. Rep resenta tive Phelps votes ...Mr . Phelps , 'no d. Is anyone else seeking recognition? On this Motion...Representative Deering votes 'no '. On this Motion there are 71 'ayes ', 44 'noes '. 29 r STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCR IPTION DEBATE First Special Session 29th Legislative Day November 14, 1993 Senate Btll 132, having received a Three-Fifths Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. The Rules Comm ittee will meet at 9 :00 p .m . in the Conference Room in the rear. The Rules Comm ittee Will meet at 9 :00 p om . The House will stand at ease until the call of the Chair.'' Speaker Mcpike : ''The House will come to order. Representative Mcpike in the Chair. Committee Reports .'' Clerk Rossi: S'The Committee on Rules has met and pursuant to Rule 1486, Bills referred pursuant to Rule 27 and 37, recommends consideration in the First Special Session and the followinq Bills be placed on the O rder of Second Reading . House Bills 871 and 11927 Senate Bill 592, stgned Frank Giglio, Chairman.'' Speaker Mcpike : ''Supplemental Calendar announcement.f' Clerk Rossi: ''Supplemental Calendar 41 is being distributed.'' Speaker Mcpike: ''Messages from the Senate.'' Clerk Ross k: ''A Message from the Genate by Mr . Harry , Secretary . 'M r. Speaker, am directed to inform the House of Representatives that the Senate bas adop ted the following Senate Joint Resolution , in the adoption of which I fm instructed to ask the concurrence of the House of Representatives: to Wit; Senate Joint Resolution #5# resolved by the Senate of the 88th General Assembly : the State of Illinois at the First Special Session thereof; the House of Representatives concurring herein; that when the Senate adjourns on Sunday, November l4z 1993, it stands adjourned sine die. And when tbe House of Representatives adjourns on Monday, November 15, 1993, it stands adjourned sine die, adopted by the Senate , November 14, 1993. Jim Harry , Secretary d.'' 30 STATE OE ILLINO IS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCR IPTION DEBATE First Special Session 29*h Legislative Day November 14 y 1993
HRepresentative Currie moves for the adoption of the Adjournment Resolution. A11 in favor say 'aye'; opposed 'noî. The 'ayes' have it and the Adjournment Resolution is adopted. On Supplemental Calendar 41 appears House Bill 1192. It 's been read a second time previously . Mr. Clerk , are there any Amendments?'' Clerk Rossi: ''Floor Amendment #1, offered by Representative Hughes .'' Speaker Mcpike : ''Rep resentative .o.Mr. Black . For what reason do you rise , Sir?'' Black: HI wanted to speak on Amendment #2y I must be out of order.'' l
Speaker Mcpike : HNo , youre not ...yes , you are . Yes, you are . Represenkative Hughese Amendment 41.1' Hughes: ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Amendment #1 to House 9il1 1192 becomes the Bill . It amends the School Code and authorizes the State Board of Education to Waive any provision of the School Code requested to do so by a school district that has p rovided an effective alternate plan that addresses the intent of the provision sought to be waived .'d Speaker Mcpike : ''Alright , the question is# 'Shall Amendment #1 be adop ted? ' A 11 kn favor say 'aye '; opposed r 'no '. The 'ayes ' have it and khe Amendment is adopted . Further Amendments?'' Clerk Rossi: ''Floor Amendment #2, offered by Representative Santiago .''
HRepresentative Santiago .'' Santiago: ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Amendment #2 is Senate Bill 7 which has passed this House several times in the last couple of months, so I move to adopt Amendment #2.'' Speaker Mcpike: ''The question is, 'Shall Amendment #2 be 31 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE First Special Session 29th Legislative Day November l4 , 1993 adopted?' All in favor say 'aye '; opposed , 'no '. The 'ayes ' have it, the Amendment is adopted . Further Amendments? Further Amendments?'' Clerk Rossi: ''No further Amendments .f' Speaker Mcpike : f'Th ird Reading . Mr . Cterk , read the Bit1.'' Clerk Rossi: ''Senate (House) Bill 1192, a Bill for an Act amending the School Code . Third Reading of the Bil1.H Speaker Mcpike: d'A1l right, for a point of information. For a point of information . The point of information, this is a House Bill in the House in Special Session . The Senate has adjourned sine die. All right. Mr. Skinner, you can leave any time you wish. All rightz the Bill...Mr. Clerky has *he Bill been read a third tine?'' Clerk Rossi: ''The Bill has been read a third time .'' speaker Mcpike : ''All right, Representatlve Currie , do you wish to handle the Bill or Mr. SantLago? Representatkve Santiago , on the Bil1.'' Santiago : ''Please vote 'yes '. Thank you .dî Speaker Mcpike : d'A11 right, this Bill requires 71 votes ; it has an kmmediate effective date . The Gentleman moves 'do pass ' on House Bill 1192 and on that we Will recognize Representative Black .'' Black: ''Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor of the Amendment passed ...yield?'' Speaker Mcpike : ''Yes .'' Black : ''Thank you .'' Speaker Mcpike : d'Representative Santiago .'' Black: HRepresentativez is your understanding that Amendnent #2 simply adds the contents of Senate Bill 7 , which is the bilingual Act in the City of Chicago , and do I have your understanding that thks simply adds the amendatorkly vetoed 32 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTAT IVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE First Special Session 29th Legislative Day November l4, 1993 languaqe of the Governor onto this Amendment?'' Santiago : ''Yes , Sir.'' Black : ''A 1l right. Is it also your understanding that Amendment 42 stripped Amendment #1...on this Bi1l?'' Speaker Mcpike : ''Tbat is correct.'' Santiago : ''Yes.'' Black : l'Alright. Is it also your understanding that o..it 's late but isn 't this kind of an exercise in futility at this point w ikh what our co lleagues did across the rotunda ?'' Santiago : uWe1l, yes v'' Black: ''We11, alright, you just want a Roll Call or whatav.what do We want here?'' Santiago : d'Just give me votes .'' Black : d'All right. Okay . Well, thank you very much , M r. Speaker: Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. The Amendment before us...as the Chair has said , is a House Bill and the Senate has already adjourned sine die. I see nothing wrong w ith the Amendment as presented to us . It simply embodies the language in the amendatorily vetoed Senate Bill #7 by the Governor. So , don 't stand in opposition to the Gentleman 's Motion , but I think at this point it 's an exercise in futility .'' Speaker Mcpike : f'The question is , 'Shall House Bill 1192 pass? ' A1l those in favor vote 'aye '; opposed vote 'no '. Have a1l voted? Have all voted? Have all voted who Wish? Have a1l voted Who wish? The Clerk will kake the record . On this Motion , there are 112 'ayes ' and no 'nays '. House B ill 1192, having received a Three-Fifths Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Senate Bills, Second Reading . Mr. Clerk , Senate Bill 592, read the Bil1 .f' Clerk Rossi: ''Senate Bill 592, a Bill for an Act authorizing the 33 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPT ION DEBATE First Special Session 29th Legislative Day November 14, 1993 establishment and operation of scholarship schools on a pilot basis. Second Reading of this Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee . No Motions filed . No Floor Amendments.'' Speaker Mcpike : ''Third Reading . A1l right, could the Chair have your attention y please . This Bill gas read a second time today and it 's noW on Third Reading . Speaker Madigan .'' Madigan : ''Mr. Speaker and Lad les and Gentlemen of the House : I thought it Would be app rop riate to advise the Members wha t our plans a re for the rest of the evening . Most of you probably know that the Bill Which gould provide the two year financing plan for the Chicago Board of Education has now passed both the House and the Senate . The Senate has adjourned the Special Session sine die and the plan for the House would be to wait untkl 12:01 to call this B i1l. Because the Bill Was read for the first time ...read for a second time, the first time just a few minutes aço, it can be read a third time at 12 :01 and called at that time . This is an accommodation to Senato r Philip who asked that this Bill at least be called and considered in the House of Representatives . At the time he made the request to me , I told him that I Would do that. I learned today, for the first time, that the Bill had not been read the second time . realize that there 's a lot of inconvenience to people, asking then to stay here until 12:01 , but I did tell Senator Philip that I would call the Bill and so I plan to follow through on my commitxent r but we won 't be able to do that until 12:01 which is about an hour from now . So that will be our plan , Mr . Speaker .'' Speaker Mcp ike : ''Representative Daniels .'' Daniels : I'Inquiry of the Chair and then a potential question of 34 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE First Special Session 29th Legislative Day November 14, 1993 Speaker Madigan , if I may . Does khis Bill have any Am endments on it, placed on it in the House?''
HYes , it was amended in committee and the Amendment is on the Bill .'' Daniels : ''And this Bill has been moved to Third Reading with the Amendment on it.'' Speaker Mcpike : ''Co rrect. That's correct .'' Daniels: ''So , as an inquiry of the Chair, if we were to pass this Bill, then in order to become law it would have to go back to the Senate to be concurred in?'' Speaker Mcpike : ''That's correct .'' Daniels: ''And the Senate has adjourned sine die.'' Speaker Mcpike : ''The Chair is not fam iliar with the Senate rules , so the Chair presumes that the Senate has some way to take a Bill out of Special Session and put it back into Regula r Session for concurrence .'' Daniels: ''Except for When...except for when theydve adjourned sine die .'' Speaker Mcpike: ''Well : that 'so.o'' Daniels : ''Yeah . Now , may I...an inqu iry of the Speaker Mad igan .'' Speaker Mcpike : ''Yes . Proceed .'' Daniels : ''Wil1 he yield?'' Speaker Mcpike : f'Proceed , Sir.'' Daniels : ''Okay . Mr . Speaker, it 's my understanding you agreed with Senator Philip to have a Roll Call on this Bill in a clean fo rm?'' Speaker Mcpike : ''Speaker Madigan .f' Madigan : ''Your use of the words , clean form .'' Daniels: S'Without Amendment.'' Madigan : ''Yes . That's news to me unless I 'm forgetting somethinq .'' 35 STATE OF ILLINO IS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTAT IVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE Pirst Special Session 29th Legislative Day November l4, 1993 Daniels: see. So in other words, lt's your opinion that We can put Amendments on this so the Bill cannot become law under any circumstances and that meets the obligation Ehat you had W ith the Senate Presldent?'' Madigan : ''Lee , I'm not asking that this Bill be called . Th is Was Senator Philip 's request. The people in the Senate felt so strongly about this Bill, that over three months ...over three months they never bothered to determine that this Bill had not been read a second time . I didn 't feel I Was under obligation to determine how many times the Bill had been read . But I was informed by my staff today , it had not been read a second time . I advised Senator Philip of these circum stances, he told me that there were certain Members of his caucus Who felt strongly about this and that he would request again that the Bill be called . I said , 'P ine , I will comply With your request even though we dll be here at 12:01.' That 's what I know about the Bill . I think it 's a goofy Bill and I plan to speak against itp'' Daniels: ''Al1 right , I understand the commitment. Thank you .'' Speaker Mcp ike : ''Representative Daniels , the Chair would point out that since the Senate has adjourned, sine die, it doesn 't make a 1ot of difference if there 's an Amendm ent on ik or if there 's not an Amendnent on it , they still have to take it out under some convoluted rules ko get out of Special Session that is adjourned sine die, back into Regular Session . 0ne way or the other .'' Daniels: ''Mr . Speaker, I wasn 't part of the agreement between the Speaker and the President of the Senate . I was advised of the agreement , and it was the President of the Senate 's understanding that this Would be called for a vote . There Was no ag reement as to the number of votes that would be 36 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE 0F REPRESENTAT IVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE Pirst Special Session 29th Legislative Day November l4, 1993 put on by either side of the aisle, but we would have an opportunity to pass . The way it is today, where it 's postured right now With the Amendment on it , it does not have an opportunity under any circumstances to pass. So , what I Would suggest is that we remove this ...if we take this Bill back to Second Reading , remove the Amendment and then place it back on Thirdz and then wait until the 12:01, at which time it can be voted upon, and Members of this Assembly can vote khe desired Way and we can determine whether or not the Bill will be passed . I think that meets the spirit of the agreement between the Speaker and the President of the Senate to which I Was not a party to .''
HThe Chair has no objections to that...first of all, I have two people seeking recognition . Representative Morrow .'' Morrow : ''Thank you , Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Question of the Chair. If we Wait until 12:01 to consider Senate Bill 592 , will we have to take a new Roll Cal1?'' Speaker Mcp ike : 'tYes.'' Morrow : ''...for attendance?'' Speaker Mcp ike : ''Yes .'' Morrow : ''Would that also mean khat We Would also be paid per diem for that following day?'' Speaker Mcpike : ''It 's my understanding that you can turn that back in .'' Morrow : '1Welly the reason why I 'm asking you is because I think it 's asinine that We 're gonna wait till after midnight to call a Bill that shouldn 't be called in the first place and end up paying Members in this chamber almost $10,000 for per diem for a Bill that received 20 votes the previous 37 STATE OF ILLINOIS 886h GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPT ION DEBATE First Special Session 29th Legislative Day November l4, 1993 time it was called . Now , you know , I don 't see too many members of the p ress here : but I sure would ...l su re would like for them to highlight the fact that we waited till after midnight, if we do stay here fo r that period of time, to adhere to the requests of one Member of this General Assembly . Even though he is the Leader of the Senate , he is just a Member of the General Assembly.'l Speaker Mcpike l ''Representative Brunsvold .l' Brunsvold : ''Thank you , Mr . Speaker. The Amendment that was put on the Bill in comm ittee , Representative Bugielski 's own Anendment, identified whe re that money was to come from . It was not to come out of the General Revenue 's for education and I guess I don 't agree with the Minority Leader and I would object to kaking that Amendment off that Bi11 .'' Speaker Mcpike: ''Representative Daniels .'' Daniels: ''The Genkleman may do that if he wishes . Again , Want to emphasize , was not a party to this ag reement and I think that if tha t agreement is to be honored in a responsible fashion , it would require the removal of that Amendment. To the Gentleman that addressed us as to regards to the per diem , I for one , would be willing to wa ive that , after a1l I know I 've been here for a number of months working on Chicago schools , I will continue to l2:û1 to continue to work on Chicago schools since this voucher program applies solely to Ch icago schools and for the betterment of that. And to quote a report written in the Chicago Tribune in 1988, 'The only way to solve the Chicago school problem is to introduce vouchers in the system '. That Was an editorial by the Chicaqo Tribune . The very Tribune...l know you don 't read the Tribune , that ls 38 STATE OF ILLINO IS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCR IPTION DEBATE First Special Session 29th Legislattve Day November l4, 1993 understandable . Bu* on the other, you know ...but on the other side of the coin , the request is being made by the Speaker of the House to honor a comm itment that he brought out and I think it 's ...it 's a responsible thing to do . So , if appropriate , I Would ask the Sponsor of the Bill to move it back to Second Reading and then to meet the spirit of that agreement and remove that Amendment.'' Speaker Mcpike : ''A11 right, the Bill 's on Third Reading . The question ise return this Bill to Second Reading . Hearing no objections...all right the Bill is on Second Reading. Representative Cow lishaw , are you seeking the Chair ds attention?'' Cowlishaw : ''NO , Sir.'1 Speaker Mcpike: ''AII right. Did you have her microphone on? A11 right , the Bill is on Second Reading . Mr. Clerk , are there any Moeions? There 's one Amendment on the Bill. Are there any Motions?'' Clerk Rossi: ''No Motions have been filed .'l Speaker Mcpike : f'There 's no Motions . Representative Daniels .'' Daniels: ''If approp riate , I'd make a verbal Motion to table Amendment 41 to Senate Bill 592.f. Speaker Mcpike : ''A1l righte the Gentleman moves to table Amendment 41 and on that Motion, Representative Brunsvold.'l Brunsvold : ''M r. Speaker...'' Speaker Kcpkke : uRepresentative Brunsvold , the Cha ir would ask you , since you are the Chairman of the comm ittee to explain Amendment 41 so we know what we lre tabling . Thank you.'' Brunsvold: 'fBefore I do that, Mr. Speaker. Is this Bill still in committee?'' Speaker Mcpike : ''No . It ls on the House floor .'' Brunsvold : ''Discharge committee?'' 39 STATE OF ILLINO IS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE First Special Session 29th Legislative Day November l4 , 1993
HNo. It Was reported out of Rules Committee.'' Brunsvold : HDon 't you have the okay from the Cha irman of that committee before you do that? I Was not asked if that Bill could be removed from committee. I think the Rules specify that . Mr. Speaker. Mr . Speaker.'' Speaker Mcpike : ''Rep resentive Brunsvo ld .'' Brunsvold : ''Mr. Speaker, in ...a prom ise was made by Rep resentative Madigan to the President of the Senate and if he chooses to have a Roll Call on this vote ...o r on this Bill, then I would agree to allow the Bill to be heard and 1et Representative Madigan follow through with his promise to Pate .'l Speaker Mcpike: ''All right. The Chair w ill rule on your first question. In regards to your first question: you were correct, a Bill cannok come out of the Rules Comm ittee witbout Rep resentative Brunsvold 's app roval because it was his committee . And , Representative Brunsvold has consenked that it should come out of Rules and the Rules voted it out, so with those two it is p roperly befo re us . The Bill is properly before us . Rep resentative Daniels has moved to table Amendment #1 and on that discussion, Representative Madigan.'' Madigan: ''M r. Speaker, I realize there fs a great deal of interest concerning this Bill, there shall be a great deal of contention regarding the Bill . As a matter of accommodation, I Would simply suggest that this particular Motion be handled on a verbal vote. So that the B ill be clean, be put on Third and then We Will consider the Bill on Third Reading . As I indicated earlier , I clearly plan to speak and work against the passage of this Bill. But would slnply suggest as a matter of accommodation r Mr . 40 STATE OF ILLINO IS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTAT IVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE First Special Session 29th Legislative Day November l4, 1993 Speaker, that we do this Motion on a voice vote , put the Bill on Third and then we 'll consider it there .'' Speaker Mcpike: ''The question is, 'Shall Amendment 41 be tabled?' A11 in favor say 'aye'; opposed, 'no '. The 'ayes' have it and the Amendment is tabled. There 's a request for a fiscal note . Speaker Madigan moves that the fiscal note is not applicable. Hearing no objections to the Motion, Attendance Roll Call w ill be used and the Motion carries . Third Reading . A11 righty the Bill is on Third Reading . The Bill will be read a third time at 12:01 or 12:02. The House stands at ease until that time . The House w ill come to order. Mr. Clerk, what happened to 12:017 It went from 12:00 to 12:02. The Eouse will come to order. Attendance Roll Call. Roll Call for Attendance. 1'11 announce it. Roll Call for Attendance . Mr. Black. Vote Mr . Black , 'present '. Anyone else wants to get on the A ttendance Roll Call? Anyone else that is not on the Attendance Roll Call? A11 right, take the record e M r. Clerk . One hundred and five Members answering the Roll Call, a quorum is present . The Chair Will announce that there will be no per diem , there will be no per diem for Monday , khe 15th of November. The First Special Session is in o rde r. Representative Novak , for what reason do you rtse?'' Novak : ''For the reaEon p..Mr . Speaker , rise for the reason r please record me as being 'present '.''
HReco rd M r. Novak as 'present '. One hundred and six Members answering the Roll Call, a quorum is present . Senate Bills, Third Readinq. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill, Senate Bil1 592 .'9 Clerk Rossi: ''Senate Bill 592, a Bill for an Act authorizing the establishment and operation of scho larship schools on a 41 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCR IPTION DEBATE First Special Session 29th Legislative Day November l4r 1993 pilot basis. Third Reading of this Bil1.'' Speaker Mcpike : ''Rep resentative Bug ielski .'' Bugielski: ''Thank you , M r. Speaker , Members of the House . Senate Bill 592 creates a Scholarship Schools Pilot Program Act. This 3ill would establish a four year pilot p rogram in one subdistrict o f the C kty of Chicago to g kve parents of chtldren residing in that subdistrict, an educational scholarship to attend the scholarship school of their choice . This Bill Would establish a scholarship schoo l council of five members being picked by both the Governor and each Legislative Leader would p ick one member of this council. The council would study the program and..othey would study the entire p rogram and p ick the subdistrict in Ehe City of Chicago and they would report back With their find inqs of where to set up khis district . We 've heard a 1ot about vouchers before, we dve heard about them for the last four years . I think this is time that we should seriously look at it. There 's more and nore going on with vouchers , there 's mo re interest into the voucher prog ram . A 1ot of people said that it was not a good time to do it with the public school financial crisis , the public school financial crisis has been reckified . The schoo ls are opening tomorrow and I think we should give serious consideration to this Bill .''
OThe Gentleman has moved for the passage of Senate Bill 592 and on that, Representative Daniels.'' Daniels : ''M r. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I not only want to give serious consideration to th is Bill , I want it to pass. I referred to an editorial that was in the Chicago Tribune in 1988 and in the Chicago Tribune which talked in this editorta l about an vooeditoria l how to 42 STATE OF ILLINO IS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OP REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPT ION DEBATE First Special Session 29th Legislative Day November l4 , 1993 rescue the worst schools in Am erica . And I cite and I quote from this ed itorial. 'The quickest, surest way to explode the bureaucratic blob, escape from the self-seeking unit and develop schools that succeed for children is to set up a voucher system .' And think that 's true . I think that we ought to explore that system though . I don 't think that anybody is asking any Member of this House to look at a voucher system and pass it statewide . What is being said , it is part of this reform movement that we have now set kn force in Chicago that I belkeve îs workkng and w ill continue to work, that part of that ought to be an exam ination of how vouchers W ill work for lower income people. This progran that has been carefully set up for the subdistrict of Chicago where the Board of Education has to select that subdistrict, they have to eskablish qualifications for the voucher system , making the final decision on the geog raphic area , selecting elig ible private schools for scholarship status, is something that has been carefully thought ou t and should be put in motion and w ill, in factg Work . Now the real issue here is whether or not you believe vouchers w ill improve the quality of education in Chicago . I think it will . This program allows us to test that, to make sure that it will before we take khat voucher system, if we do, beyond just this pilot project. So I'm asking for your 'yes ' vote . It makes a 1o t of sense . It is along with and supplementa ry to the legislation that we passed last evening and I suggest and encourage your 'aye ' vote .'' Speaker Mcpike : ''Representative Salvi.'' Salvi : ''Thank you , Mr . Speaker. If you believe that the only problem With our schools is too little funding, then this 43 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE First Special Session 29th Legislative Day November 14, 1993 Bill may be for you . It does increase education funding $2.7 million each year for scholarships to Chicago school kids. But if you believe as I do , that instead , real refo rm is needed . At least this Bill brings us a small step in the right direction . What is it about our colleges and universities in this country? Why are they the greatest in the world? Why do people from a11 over the wo rld come here to go to our colleges ' and universities ' higher education . Bu* on the lower levels, in the primary and secondary levelg we are a miserable failu re . We dre second to last in industrialized nations . The difference is the competition . We have competition at the higher level , we don 't ...you have to choose , you can only go to the school district where you live in and there is no school choice in the primary and secondary level . House Bill 890, which Representative Bugielski sponsored and I was proud to cosponsor, failed in this Body because the opponent said the voucher idea is untested . Well , here is a chance for us to test it . This Bill only gives scholarships to 1/2 of 1% of Chicago school kids. I respectfully ask Legislators from Chicago to consider whether their constituents would support school choice , greater competition in education, and $2.7 million in scholarships for Chicago school kids a year, $2.7 million a year for four years. Give this good idea a chance to p rove itself. Please , vote for this Bill . Thank you .'' Speaker Mcpike : ''Representative .w.speaker Madigan on this .'' Madigan : ''Mr . Speaker and Lad ies and Gentlemen , I rise in opposition to the Bill . I rise in opposition to the Bill, one who has voted for voucher Bills on several occasions as a Member of the General A ssembly . I voted in favor of the 44 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE First Special Session 29th Legislative Day November l4 , 1993 Bill sponsored by Representative Bugielski during the Regular Session, Which I believe was numbered # House Bill 890 . This Bill provides for a program restricted solely to the City of Chicago . Ik Would operate relative to one of the subdistricts Within the City of Ch icago . would create a comm ission composed of appo intees from the Governor and each of the four Legislative Leaders and those five people, well 1et me say , any three of those five could select the particula r subd istrict within the City of Chicago that would qualify for this p rogram . I simply think that it 's not a good idea to move ahead With th is at this time . For those of you who are concerned with the position of the Catholic Conference of Illinois, I have a statement from the Catholic Conference which indicates that they do strongly support vouchers; however, they are not in favor of considering this particular Bi1l o r any specific legislation during the Special Session devoted to resolving the financial crisis of the Chicago public schools. would strongly recommend a 'no ' vote o'' Speaker Mcpike : 'lRepresentative Brunsvold .'' Brunsvold : ''Will the Gentleman yield for a question?'' Speaker Mcpike : '1Yes.'' Brunsvold : ''Represenkative, where 's the money go ing to come from fo r this ..efor the scholarships?'f Speaker Mcpike : ''Representative Bugielski.'' Bugielski: 'fout of the general state aid .'' Brunsvold : ''So # that means that the money from my d istricts and all the districts downstate are going to go into the supporting the scholarships?'' Bugielski: HIt comes out of Chicago ls, does not touch your district.'' 45 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE First Special Session 29th Legislative Day November l4, 1993 Brunsvold : nokay . The Amendment is not on there anymore . The Amendment 's gone .'' Bugielski : HThis is in the Bill. It 's still in the B ill that it comes oue of the Chicago general aid .'' Brunsvold : ''Okay . Well , I stand in opposition also . This Bill has been in the Education Comm ittee , has been defeated and would ask and would join Speaker Madigan in asking for your 'no ' vote.''
HRepresentative Murphy .'' Murphy , M .: ''Mr. Speaker, will the Sponsor yield? I 'm sorry .'' Speaker Mcpike : ''Yes . Representative Bugielski will yield .'' Murphy , M .: ''Thank you . Representative , is this on a limited scope voucher prog ram where ...where in one Chicago school district, w ill be at one school fo r the Chicago school district will be involved?'' Bugielski: HIt would be a areag a geographical area that would be set up by the Commission in the City of Chicago . It is not one schoolo'' Murphy , M .: ''It will be an area designated by the ...'' Bugielski: ''It Would be a designated area within the C ity of Chicago itself .'' Murphy , M .: ''Okay . Also , most people are under the misconception that Will be only poor people, but I noticed that the family income will be around the $30,000 nark for a family of four. Is it around khere? It won 't be limited to poverty level, but there Will be a cutoff on salary for the family. Two thousand students approximately will be involved. Is that correct?'' Bugielski : ''It 's for 2 ,000 students and the family income cannot exceed an amount equal to 1.65 times the family income level necessary to qualtfy for free meals . This is the 46 STATE OF ILLINO IS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OE REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPT ION DEBATE First Special Session 29th Legislative Day November l4 , 1993 progran that is set up for the students receiving the free meals in the school systems now , and for a family of four I was told that it's under 20,000..'.Wi1l be like $20,000.16 Murphy , M .: ''Around thirty thousand , sixty-five . Also this is for four years, will be a single district that is picked Ol. 1Q'*î' Bug ielski: 'Q t 's a single district for four years...l' Murphy , M .: ''Two thousand students for four years.'' Bug ielski: ''It cannot change fo r the four years and the Act is repealed in 1998 .'1 Murphy , M .: 'Q n fact , this w ill be a n icrocosm for the City of Chicago, taking into consideration a11 ...a1l this ...under thirty thousand socioeconomic factors and once and for all we can frame out in Cook County this voucher argument that was heard in California and lost . It has been popular in Minnesota . It has passed in W isconsin and is very ...more and more popularity in Michigan . Is that not true? For four years We will have one district, the cost is about $2 million. Is that correctz Representative?'' Bug ielski: ''Correct.'' Murphy g M .: ''I...Thank you for your answers on that . I stand in...being a proponent of this legislation because the White House spotlight has been directed to Chicago because of the school crisis . Wh ile California may not have approved the final formula for this voucher system , other states have. The voucher system is not going to go away . We don 't know which one will exactly work , but if you want to give children in Chicago an edge when you know that 50% of them , while the doors will be open tomorrow , will be doomed to dropping ouk. We can help with the $2 million investment, 2,000 school children. See once and for all if 47 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTAT IVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE First Special Session 29th Legislattve Day November l4 , 1993 this voucher system is applicable in the State of Illinois . I urge your d iligence . We haven 't been taking risks . No success has ever been great unless you 've taken risks . HoW many risks have we taken here in the ten monkhs tha t We dve been in Session? Have they been safe - safe votes where we were al1 counted? Can We take a risk for four years for 2 ,000 students in Chicago and maybe sta rt a pioneer effo rt for the State of Illino is. I urge your 'yes ' vote . Thank Y0Z1*'' Speaker Mcp ike : ''Mr. C lerk , Supplemental Calendar announcement.'' Clerk Rossi: ''Supplemental Calendar #2 is being distributed .'' Speaker Mcpike: 'fWe are considering Sena te Bill 592 , Which is on Supplemental Calendar 92...Supplenental Calendar #2. The queskion is, îshall Senate Bill 592 pass? ' All those in favor vote 'aye '; opposed vote 'no '. Rep resentative Pedersen, to exp lain his vote .'' Pedersen: ''Thank you , Mr . Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House . A 1l the polls across the country indicate that the poor really favor parental cho ice in education . The only problem is, being poor theym..they just don't have the m eans to do anything about kt . Over half of the teachers in Chicago put their kids in private eduction . The wealthy put their kids in private education . Why even ou r eminent Speaker has the benefit of a p rivate education. And the other thing is that we really save money , somebody 's saving a lot of noney on this, on these 2,000 kids . So , I urge a 'no ' vote . I mean a 'yes ' vote . Goodness .'' Speaker Mcpike : ''Representakive Mulligan , one minute to explain your vote. This requires 71 votes.'' Mulligan : ''Thank you , Mr . Speaker . In my district one of the high school districts is having a l0% increase . One of the 48 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE First Special Session 29th Legislative Day November 14, 1993 grammar school districts is having a l7% increase in their budget . They have to conform to state mandates. Under this prog ram , the private schoo ls that we 're giving money to did not have to conform to those state mandates. Yet , it is very unclear to me whether my taxpayer îs dollars are going to pay fo r this program . I think it is very unfair , we pay for our schools out of property taxes ; we also pay high income taxes. I cannot suppo rt this until the state decides to support public school education to the full extent of funding , and then possibly I could certainly go along with helping private school students .'' Speaker Mcpike : ''Representative Davis , one minute to explain you r VO bO *î' Davis : ''Thank you , Mr . Speaker. I was asked to say to this Body by Doctor May Jamison , who was the first African American Astronaut, and is now a medical doctor, that she came from a Chicago public school ; therefore , it is time to stop saying it is ...the Chicago schools are the worst in the nation. I cannot support any legislation that will decrease the Doctor May Jamisons from reaching for the stars. The refore , vote 'no '.d' Speaker Mcpike : 'lRepresentative Martinez, one m inute to explain your vote .'' Martinez: ''Thank you , Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House . I rise in support of vouchers in general. 1, too , have a voucher Bill as some of you peop le ...folks m igh t recall. A Bill that has been sitting ..mwalting to be called , but hasn 't been allowed to be called . My Bill differs in the one that we fre hearing right now , but I rise in suppo rt of this one because it deals with vouchers . Vouchers, in my op inion, is an idea that...whose time has 49 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCR IPTION DEBATE First Special Session 29th Legislative Day November l4, 1993 come as we can read ily see by the news media reports recently in Callfo rnia that went dogn , it 's to be expected . But, I do think that vouchers will not go away as the previous speaker sa id . My Bill, I Would say that I 'm being selfish because my dkstrict is ...'1 Speaker Mcpike : ''Have a1l voted? Have all voted Who w ish? Have a1l voted who wish? Have a11 voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record . On this Motion there are 35 'ayes ' and 65 'noes ': and the Motion fails . A nd the Bill fails . A11 right . Speaker Madigan moves...speaker Madigan o'' Madigan : 19Mr. Speaker: I'm most pleased to move that this particular Session of the General Assembly adjourn, sine die .'' Speaker Mcpike : ''The Genkleman moveso.oThe Gentleman moves... Whatls wrong with the microphone? Would you turn on the microphone. Turn on the microphone.'' 50 REPORT Z TIFLDA Y STATE 0F ILL INOIS 9#/02/09 PA GE: 00l 88TH GENERAL ASSE;4/LY 15 :*8 105 HDUSE OF REPRESFNTAT IVES DAILY TRANSCRIPTION 0F DJBAT E IRDEX SPEC IAL SESS ION 4Q t NOVEMI3ER t# # 1993 HB- :192 SECORO READ ING PAGE 3l 88- 1:92 THIRD READING PAGE 32 5:-0132 SECORD REAUING PAGE 3 53-0132 THIRD REAOING PA GE 5b-0592 SECOND READ ING PAGE 33 51,-0592 RECALLED PAG E 39 58-:592 THIRO READING PA GE %L 58- 0592 MOT ION PAGE 39 SJR- OOG: ADOPTED PAGE 3L :JR- 00O5 RESOLUTION OFFERED PA GE 31 SUw'JECT MAT TER HOU SE T0 0RD6R - REPRESENTATIVt FICPIKE PAG E t PRAYER - REPRESENTATiVE SHEEHY PAGE 1 PLEDGE 0F ALLEG IANCE PAGE t ROLL CALL FOR A TTENDANC E PAGE l REPRESENTATIVE G IGL ID IN CHAIR PAGE 2 REPRESENTAT IVE PICPIKE IN CHAIR PA GE 2 COXMITTEE REPORTS PAGE 30 MESSAGES FROM SENATE PAG E 30 ADJOURNMENT PA GE 50