May 18, 1994 "The hour of 12:30 p.m. having arrived. The house will come to order. The Chaplain for the day is Reverend Nancy Feniuk-Nelson of the Gladstone Park Lutheran Church in Chicago, Illinois. Reverend Feniuk-Nelson is a guest of Representative Hoeft. All guests in the gallery may wish to rise for the invocation."
"Gracious God, because of the world we see around us, we know that some how or another you have found a way to give with utter abandon. The blue of the sky, the sparkle of the lakes and streams and that peculiar, yet amazing, green, we see only in the spring, in deed causes us to pause for a moment of thanks. Grant us the good sense to protect these gifts, that our grandchildren's children might also have reason to pray this prayer. Life giving Creator, because of all the people who graced each of our lives, we know You to be a God of love, and humor, and surprise. The people we know well, sustain us through the hard times and celebrate our victories. Those we have not yet met or learned to love still teach us, inspire us, and offer us food for thought. Grant us the wisdom and maturity to consider all people as we make our day to day decisions and choices. Help us not only to protect, but to enhance life for everyone, young and old, female and male, school children and unemployed, native and foreign, gay and straight, people of color or language other than english, the able and the challenged and especially today, dear God, Republicans and Democrats. Give us such a sense of your love for each of us that it cannot help but spill over onto others as justice, peace making, and love. We raise up before You, those people or issues of special concern, silently in our hearts, and we ask your blessing as this day of work unfolds. Amen." 1 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 133 Legislative Day May 18, 1994
"Representative Hughes for the Pledge of Allegiance."
"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
"Roll Call for Attendance. Representative Kubik are there any excused absences on the Republican side?"
"There are none Madam Speaker, and I heard that."
"Representative Currie are there any excused absences on the Democratic side?"
"Thank you, Speaker. There are no excused absences among Democrats today."
"Thank you. 118 answering the roll, a quorum is present. Committee Reports."
"Committee Reports, Committee Report offered by Representative Frank Giglio, the Chairman for the Committee on Rules. Committee on Rules is not pursuant to Rule 14 (a-6); Bills referred to pursuant to Rule 37. Recommends consideration and the Bills will be placed on the Order of Second Reading. Senate Bill 230 offered May 18, 1994. Committee Report offered by Representative Bugielski, Chairman of Committee of Executive to which the following Bills and Resolutions were referred action taken on May 18, 1994. Reported the same back with the following recommendations 'do pass' Senate Bill 1670. 'do pass Short Debate' Senate Bills 1318, 1364, 1455, 1560, 1620, 1672, 1702 and 1803. 'do pass as amended short debate' Senate Bills 1454, 1477, 1692 and Senate Bill 1715."
"Agreed Resolutions."
"House Resolution 2639, offered by Representative Moseley; House Resolution 2678, offered by 2 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 133 Legislative Day Representative Black; House Resolution May 18, 1994 2679, offered by Representative Deering; House Resolution 2680, offered by Representative Balthis; House Resolution 2682, offered by Representative Blagojevich; House Resolution 2683, offered by Representative Moseley. House Resolution 2684, offered by Representative Saviano; House Resolution 2686, offered by Representative Noland; House Resolution 2687, offered by Representative Krause; House Resolution 2688, offered by Representative DeJaegher; House Resolution 2690, offered by Representative Currie; House Resolution 2691, offered by Representative Black; House Resolution 2692, offered by Representative Daniels; House Resolution 2693, offered by Representative Moore, Andrea; House Resolution 2694, offered by Representative Moore, Andrea; House Resolution 2695, offered by Representative Moore, Andrea; House Resolution 2696, offered by Representative Moore, Andrea; House Resolution 2699, offered by Representative Erwin; House Resolution 2701, offered by Representative Erwin; House Resolution 2702, offered by Representative Erwin; House Resolution 2703, offered by Representative Erwin; House Resolution 2704, offered by Representative Erwin; House Resolution 2705, offered by Representative Erwin; House Resolution 2706, offered by Representative Erwin. House Resolution 2707, offered by Representative Wennlund; House Resolution 2708, offered by Representative Weller; House Resolution 2709, offered by Representative Zickus; House Joint Resolution 157, offered by Representative Persico; Senate Joint Resolution 111, offered by Representative Erwin; Senate Joint Resolution 112, offered by Representative Erwin."
"Representative Currie moves for the adoption of the Resolutions. All those in favor say 'aye'; opposed 3 133 Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 'nay'. The 'ayes' have it the Resolutions Death Resolutions." May 18, 1994 are adopted.
Clerk McLennand: "House offered by Resolution 2689, Representative Granberg, with respect to the memory of Thomas A. Heilgenstein. House Resolution 2698, offered by Representative Steczo, with respect to the memory of Marcel
Pacatt. Speaker Flowers: "Representative Currie moves for the adoption of the Death Resolutions. All those in favor say 'aye'; opposed, 'nay'. The 'ayes' have it. The resolutions are adopted. On the Order of Government Administrations, Second Reading. Representative Phelps on House Bill 3213. Representative Brunsvold for what reason do you rise?"
"Madam Speaker, behind me I would just like to introduce former mer House Member, Clarence Darrell, also former Senator, now Judge Darrell. Let's welcome Clarence back to the House."
"Mr. Clerk, would you please take House Bill 3213, out of the record. House Bill 3731 Representative Coy Pugh. Out of the record. House Bill on the order of Government Administration, Third Reading. We have House Bill 3386, Representative Coy Pugh, House Bill 3386, Representative Coy Pugh, out of the record. Government Administration. Second Reading, Representative Carroll Ronen on House Bill 4009, Representative Carroll Ronan, House Bill 4009. Out of the record. Mr. Clerk, can we go back to Government Administrations. Third Reading. House Bill 3386, Representative Coy Pugh, Pugh. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
Representative Coy Clerk McLennand: "House Bill 3386, a Bill for an Act that Amends Unified Code of Corrections. Third Reading of this Bill."
"Are there any Amendments, Mr. Clerk? Oh, 4 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 133 Legislative Day Representative Pugh on the Bill." May 18, 1994
"Madam Chairman, Members of the House. I request leave to have the Bill taken back to Second Reading, for an Amendment."
"Does the Gentleman have leave to take the Bill back to Second Reading, for the purpose of the Amendment? The Gentleman has leave."
"So what do I do now. I speak to the Amendment now?"
"Representative Black for what reason...the Gentleman has leave to bring the Bill back for Second Reading for the purpose of the Amendment, does he have leave? Leave is granted. Hearing no opposition, leave is granted. Mr. Clerk, are there any Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #5, offered by Representative Pugh."
"Representative Pugh, on Amendment #5 to House Bill 3386."
"Yes, Madam Speaker and Members of the House, after careful debate and consideration Amendment #5, is a clarifying Amendment that merely speaks to the intent of the legislation which would read thus; By Majority vote of the Prison Review Board, after three board Members have actually met with the prisoner to interview that prisoner face to face, and to listen to that prisoner, present his or her case, and submitted a report to meeting to the entire board. The Amendment was drawn after consideration was raised by the Republican side of the aisle, and we are hoping that this Amendment would meet those concerns."
"On the question, Representative Tom Johnson." Johnson, Tom: "Yes, will the Sponsor yield?"
"He indicates that he wil1." Johnson, Tom: "Representative Pugh, this is now the 5th Amendment 5 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 133 Legislative Day on this Bill. Basically, as I May 18, 1994 Hopefully this time we got it right. understand what you have now done with this, and looking at this Amendment is the real change here is that it requires three people to interview somebody and report back to the Parole Board. Is that correct?"
"Yes, Sir. Yes Sir." Johnson, Tom: "Okay, in all these cases?"
"Yes, Sir." Johnson, Tom: "Okay, and then it would still require a vote of the full board?"
"Exactly." Johnson, Tom: "Okay. Thank you."
"Representative Black."
"Thank you very much, Madam Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"
"Yes he will."
"Representative on page 3, of Amendment #5, if you would look at line 14. There is some language here that still isn't very clear. I think you have done a very good job, but let me ask you a question of...on this particular point. It says through a panel of least three members, by majority vote set the release dates, for certain prisoners sentenced under the law in existence prior to February 1, 1978. Now as I read that, our staff thinks that in certain cases this means that the majority of the three member panel could set a release date Is that your intent?"
"No Sir, it is not, and if your...that portion of the Bill is current law. We are not attempting to change that."
"You are striking what the effective date of the mandatory act? Changing it?"
"Exactly. Yes sir."
"Okay, thank you." 6 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 133 Legislative Day
May 18, 1994 "The Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment #5 to House Bill 3386. All those in favor say 'aye'; opposed, 'nay'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Are there further Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. Representative Black, what is Black: your pleasure?" "Pursuant to Rule 37 (d). The Bill is on Third Reading, taken back to Second, the Amendment was Adopted, we object pursuant to that rule and would ask to have it moved to Third Reading today. We would ask the Chair to so rule."
"Representative Black, it is my understanding that it does not prevent the Bill from being moved to Third Reading, it prevents the Bill from being called. Representative Coy Pugh."
"Madam Chairman, I move to suspend the appropriate rule, so that this Bill can be heard immediately."
"Representative Black for what reason do you rise?"
"The Gentleman has made a Motion he wants to suspend the rules, that's his privilege. It takes 71 votes. I urge all Members on my side of the aisle to vote no."
"The Gentleman has moved, for immediate consideration of House Bill 3386, all those in favor vote 'aye'; opposed vote 'no'. The voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question there are 60 voting 'aye', 57 voting 'no'. The Motion fails. On the Order of Government Administration. Second Reading. We now go back to House Bill 4009, Representative Carroll Ronen, on House Bill 4009. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 4009 has been read a second time 7 133 Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 18, 1994 previously. No Committee Amendments. Floor Amendments #1 offered by Representative Tom Johnson."
"Representative Johnson. Withdraw."
"Floor Amendment #2, offered by Representative Biggert."
"Representative Biggert on Amendment #2."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker."
"Excuse me Representative Biggert. Representative Granberg for what reason do you rise?"
"Point of order, Madam Speaker. Could the Parliamentarian check Amendment #3, Amendment #2 to see if it is germane? The underlying Bill deals with the privacy of child victims of criminal sexual abuse Act. Amendment #2 amends the Criminal Code. So I have a question whether this Amendment is germane?"
"Representative Granberg."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker, after brief discussion with the Sponsor of the Bill, we would like to withdraw our request."
"Thank you. Representative Biggert proceed with Amendment #2 to House Bill 4009."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. The Amendment is to provide that prosecution of a sex offence committed against a person under 18 years of age maybe commenced within two years after the victim obtains 18 years of age. It adds indecent solicitation of an adult, keeping a place of juvenile prostitution, patronizing a juvenile prostitute, and sexual exploitation of a child to the list of offenses, for which an extension of limitation period would be allowed."
"The Lady moves for the adoption of Amendment #2, to House Bill 4009. All those in favor say 'aye';" 8 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 133 Legislative Day May 18, 1994 opposed... Representative Wennlund."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Pursuant to Rule 55 (c) I request a record vote and I am joined by four other of my colleagues in that request."
"All those in favor of Amendment #2 to House Bill 4009, vote 'aye'; opposed vote 'no'. The voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk, shall take the record. Representative Coy Pugh would like to be recorded as voting 'aye'. Representative Novak votes 'aye'. Representative Flinn votes 'aye'. The Clerk, shall take the record. Representative Judy Erwin votes 'aye'. 115 voting 'aye', none voted 'no'. The Amendment is adopted. Are there any further Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #3, offered by Representative Biggert."
"Representative Biggert on Floor Amendments #3."
"Thank you, Madam Chairman. Amendment #3, is...relates to offences of prostitution, solicitation of a sexual act, pondering, pimping, juvenile pimping, and exploitation of a child. This changes the elements of those offences that involve the giving of money, property, or anything of value. So that they instead of involve the giving of any money, property, token object or article or anything of value. This amends the child pornography provisions of the code, and prohibits depiction of a child photograph...of child pornography by computer on this same terms as the depiction of child pornography by video tape, photography, or other media. It prohibits decemination of child pornography by telecommunications network or similar means. It changes the language prohibiting a person soliciting from to appear in child pornography, by also prohibiting a 9 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 133 Legislative Day May 18, 1994 person from using persuading, inducing, enticing, or coercing a person to appear in child pornography. It increases the penalty for permitting the sexual abuse of a child to a class A misdemeanor to a Class I felony."
"The Lady moves for the adoption of Amendment #3 to House Bill 4009. All those...Representative Dart."
"Thank you, will the Sponsor yield?"
"She indicates that she will."
"Has this Amendment gone on other Bills?"
"Is this Amendment going on the Bill?"
"Has Amendment been put on other Bills?"
"No, just this one."
"Okay."
"This has not yet been put any other Bill."
"Okay, and what is the impotense of this one?"
"This is a...from the Illinois State Police. It really has three changes in the law. As far as child pornography, and including such things as computer, as being part of child pornography, and then it also pertains to juvenile prostitution, and parents and guardians and then the juvenile prostitution defining money. So there's three elements to this Bill."
"Yes, the one deals with tokens and alike being used..."
"Instead of money."
"Yes, now the part where you adding stuff about depiction by computer what problem is that that you are addressing?"
"That is SO that if someone is using images on a computer to depict children as in..."
"Has this been a problem that they have had?"
"Well I think...yes. And this something that they're finding that they can't prosecute, it is not as pictures, but it is also going over the air waves." 10 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE
133 Legislative Day Dart: "Okay, and one last question here. There's May 18, 1994 a... we are adding on page seven line 19; where you add the word stepparent. Why are you doing that?" now
"Probably, because we have so many more stepparents then when we had. This is just to bring the law to..."
"That is the only place I really saw where you changed it. My concern there is to be honest with you, is that; what is the legal interpretation of parent or guardian now, is it not inclusive of that?"
"Well this was something that the State Police..."
"My only concern with this Representative is the fact that when we specifically delineate stuff in statute, there then when that is not used in subsequent statues, now all of a sudden we have excluded that. So now a statute which presently might cover stepparents who now very well be excluding because they can refer well in this statute they specifically mean stepparents, it is not listed in this other statue. If we can...are we creating a problem by doing that?"
"I can understand your concern. Representative, and this did not come up in the discussion in the committee, but I would..."
"That's...I mean in the legal interpretation the way it is done, especially in the appellate level. They look to certain things like this to find that statutes mean or don't mean certain things. I want to make it crystal clear that we are not going to be jeopardizing other statutes right now by adding one word that...to me otherwise the Bill looks fine, I am just concerned why we are doing that. I mean if there is a particular problem, if there is a case that we are addressing, I understand that, but as they say when you add something like this, it will by its very 11 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 133 Legislative Day nature excluded in other sections." May 18, 1994
"I would like to be able to handle this by legislative intent, that..."
"Well you can try, but as I said it lends itself to get pretty confusing and very difficult for prosecutors and people down the road when they are dealing with pornography and child exploitation issues and all of a sudden a stepparent is going to be questioned as to whether a stepparent comes under the definition of parent, guardian or however they determine it now. That's my only question."
"Okay, thank you."
"Representative Black on the Amendment."
"Thank you very much, Madam Speaker. Pursuant to Rule 55 (c) I am joined by four of my colleagues, and requesting a role call vote on Amendment #3 on House Bill 4009."
"Point well taken. Representative Skinner on the Amendment."
"Well I would like to stand in support about the part about computerized pornography. This has occurred...well this has been found by parents in my district when they come upon their kids tripping along the information highway, it seems to me there should be some statute on the books that would outlaw it. Thank you."
"The question is, 'Shall Amendment #3...I'm sorry, Mr. Clerk, are there any further Amendments? The question is, 'Shall Amendment #3 be adopted to House Bill 4009?' All those in favor vote 'aye'; oppose vote 'nay'. Voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk, will take the record. 112 voting 'aye', none voting 'no'. The Amendment is adopted. Mr. Clerk, are there any further 12 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 133 Legislative Day Amendments?"
"No further Amendments."
May 18, 1994 "Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 4009, a Bill for an Act that amends the Privacy of Child Victims of Criminal Sexual Offences Act. Third Reading of this Bill." Ronen:
"Representative Ronen, on House Bill 4009." "Thank you, Madam Speaker and Members of the House. Bill 4009, amends the privacy of Child Victims of Criminal Sexual Offenses Act. What it simply does is expand the scope of the act to include victims who are over age 18. Current law just applies to victims just under the age 18. Illinois we believe has a compelling interest in obtaining victim cooperation to report, and prosecute sexual assault House crimes. This Bill will protect victims from harassment, intimidation, and trauma which results from public disclosure of highly private and personal information. I urge 'do pass' of this Bill, and I would be happy to answer any questions."
So Speaker Flowers: "The Lady moves for the passage of House Bill 4009. All those in favor vote 'aye'; opposed 'no'. Voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Representative Curran for what reason... Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question 117 voted 'yes' none voted 'no'. House Bill 4009, is hereby declared passed. Having received the Constitutional Majority is hereby passed. Representative Curran,"
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. We are joined today by someone who held the office of State Representative for Springfield, some time between the time that Abraham Lincoln held it and the time that I hold it now, and that 13 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 133 Legislative Day May 18, 1994 is David Robinson, who now lives in Mexico City. David, one of best accomplishments ever is that is mother is Shirley Robinson, who serves on the information desk, on the second floor south of the Stratton Building. Former Representative David Robinson, now of Mexico City."
"Representative Rotello on House Bill 3449. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 3449 has been read a second time previously. No Committee Amendments. Floor Amendment #1 offered by, Representative Hoeft."
"Representative Hoeft, on Floor Amendment #1. Out of the record, withdraw."
"Floor Amendment #2, offered by, Representative Cowlishaw."
"Representative Cowlishaw, withdraw."
"Floor Amendment #3, offered by Representative Rotello."
"Representative Rotello on Floor Amendment #3. Read the Amendment Mr. Clerk. Representative Rotello on Amendment #3."
"Amendment #3 would, of House Bill 3449, creates the Curriculum Committee for the 21st Century. It would be a committee of 20 members appointed by the Governor and Legislative leaders. With the idea of creating curriculums and public education that will prepare kids for the work place in the 21st century. Many of the curriculums that the school districts currently use are curriculums that many of us had when we were in school, and I think it is time to look at how we can make changes to have kids graduate from high school with skills that will have them be employable. I ask for your favorable consideration."
"Representative Skinner on the Amendment." 14 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 133 Legislative Day
May 18, 1994 "Hi there, I would just like to know whether we are talking about reading and writing and being able to add and subtract and multiply and divide sort of like I was able to do when I graduated in 1960? Is there anything to lead anybody here to believe that we're doing that now?"
"I assume that that's part of the curriculum now, some kids are apparently getting it and some aren't. I think that what we need to look at is the kids that aren't getting that curriculum need to perhaps have a different curriculum, something that can teach them some type of skills for the work place, and that is a quarter of kids that graduate high school, go on to receive college degrees and three quarters do not, and when they leave high school with absolutely no skills in terms of being employable, other than going to the local mall or the local fast food restaurant, and work for minimum wage."
"Representative what I am worried about is that somebody out of this little group that you want to have appointed will want to become the next new math. Kids stopped learning how to add and subtract and divide and multiply when, new math came in about 1967, 1968."
"I am a product of it."
"How do we guard against that?"
"Well I think that this committee, the intent of this legislation would be to have hands on experience, hands on learning skills and so on. For instance, computers are extremely important and there aren't enough in the public school systems, and certainly every one graduating school today should have some type of computer experience. Above and beyond that however, there haven't been any changes in curriculum in the last several years, since we've been in school Representative Skinner. So if someone has some 15 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 133 Legislative Day May 18, 1994 devious concept on how they should try and alter the curriculum I would hope that the Governor wouldn't appoint them to this committee."
"Well may be should change, may be we should have a limitation. That only those people that are over 80 can be on this commission, because that's where the educators are now in age that learn that were able to teach kids how to read, write, multiply and divide. I mean I have no confidence what SO ever if you go to NIU and get their educations professors, that they will be able to deliver what you are seeking to accomplish. But I thank you for your answers."
"Okay."
"Representative Black."
"Thank you very much, Madam Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"
"He indicates that he will."
"Thank you, Representative what was the genesis of this Amendment? Did we see this earlier in Bill form?"
"No, this was a vehicle Bill that was intended to be amended with this language."
"I noticed that is has an immediate effective date. Is there a particular reason for that?"
"I think we need as quickly as possible move ahead in changing the way we educate our children. Statistics have shown that we have fallen behind other nations, in terms of kids' skills when they leave high school. I think that we need to do everything we can in this state to try and turn that trend around, and that's why I would like to this committee put together and work with industry, and work with the private sector, and well as the schools systems, and have the cooperation that will make our schools systems 16 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 133 Legislative Day May 18, 1994 once be the envy of the world again."
"I agree with you on that. Thank you very much. Thank you, Madam Speaker"
"Representative Brady... Representative Brady. The Gentleman has asked for the adoption of Amendment #3 to House Bill 3449. All those in favor say 'aye'; opposed, 'nay'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Are there any further Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #4, offered by Representative Hoeft."
"Representative Hoeft on Amendment #4. Withdraw."
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."
"House Bill 3449, a Bill that amends the Vocational Act. Third Reading of this Bill."
"Representative Rotello."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker and Ladies and Gentleman of the House. I would strongly encourage support for this Bill, it would simply set up a committee to begin to review the curriculum that we are using in our public school systems, with the idea of changing vocational education, to be something that's no longer that is just shop class, but something that kids can learn real skills to go into the work place, and I think it's important for everyone. Thank you, for consideration."
"The Gentleman moves for the passage of House Bill 3449. All those in favor vote 'aye'; oppose, 'no'. The voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. 113, voting 'aye', one voting 'no'. This Bill, having received the required Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared 17 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 133 Legislative Day passed. Representative Saltsman May 18, 1994 Representative Saltsman. on House Bill 3591, of record. Out the Representative Santiago, on House Bill 3798. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 3798, has been read a second time previously. No Committee Amendments. offered by Representative Santiago." Floor Amendment #1
"Representative Santiago on the Amendment."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Amendment #1 represents an agreement between the Illinois Bankers Association and the State Comptrollers office. The Amendment authorizes a Comptroller with approval of the State Treasures to establish a direct deposit of payments to public agencies and other pay of the State of Illinois. I move to adopt Amendment #1."
"Representative Wennlund, on the Amendment."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"
"He indicates that he will."
"With the noise level in the House, I'm sorry I couldn't hear anything that you said. Madam Speaker can we have some order here, so we can hear what is going on?"
"May we have some order, please. Order please, thank you."
"Thank you very much, Representative Santiago, I'm sorry, over the noise I could not hear a thing you said. But now it is much quieter." Santiago:
"Do you want me to repeat it?" "Could you explain this Amendment again, and also answer a question that, is this the Illinois Bankers Association clarification Amendment? Maybe you can ..."
"Yes, Sir. This is an agreement by the IBA and the State Comptrollers Office. It is an agreed Amendment. 18 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 133 Legislative Day May 18, 1994 What it does it authorizes the comptroller with the approval of the State Treasure to establish the direct deposit of payments to public agencies and other payees of the State of Illinois."
"Was this the subject matter of an Amendment that went on to a Senate Bill?"
"I don't know."
"Okay,..."
"It could have been, but I don't have no recollection."
"Okay, but it was at the request of the Illinois Bankers. This was done at the request of the Illinois Bankers?"
"Yes, this was done at the request of the Illinois Bankers Association."
"Okay, thank you very much."
"The Gentleman moved for the adoption of Amendment #1, to House Bill 3798. All those in favor say 'aye'; opposed, 'nay'. The 'ayes' have it the Amendment is adopted. Are there any further Amendments, Mr. Clerk?"
"Floor Amendment #2, offered by Representative Wennlund."
"Representative Wennlund."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. This Amendment would allow the issuance of special license plates to firefighters and volunteer firefighters throughout the State of Illinois, who have achieved the rank of firefighters three designation. Which means they have to go through all the necessary life support training. And it is an incentive to give the volunteer firemen who risk their lives everyday without cost to the public, some public recognition in having their fire plates in addition to the blue lights."
"Representative Granberg, to the Amendment." 19 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 133 Legislative Day
May 18, 1994 "A point of order Madam Speaker, with all due respect to the Sponsor, because I think it's a good idea. Never the less, the Amendment deals with firefighter's license plates, the underlying Bill is the Comptroller and State Treasurer direct deposits. Would the Parliamentarian please look to see if Amendment #2 is germane?"
"Representative Granberg, the point is well taken. The Bill deals with the electronic transfer of funds and the Amendment deals with license plates. Further Amendments, Mr. Clerk?"
"Floor Amendment #3, offered by Representative Santiago."
"Representative Santiago on Floor Amendment #3."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Amendment #3, amends the General Assembly Compensation Act. Currently under the Act, Members of the General Assembly receive an office allowance to pay for such things as personal services, contractual services, commodities, and telecommunications services. However, the terms of telecommunications services does not include the purchase of telecommunications equipment. So what this will do is allow the purchase of telecommunications equipment."
"Representative Wennlund, to the Amendment."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. I rise to a point of order. The underlying Bill applies to the electronic deposit of state funds, the Amendment pertains to the office allowance of the General Assembly, it's not germane, and I would ask the chair to so rule."
"Representative Daniels, for what reason to do rise?"
"Thank you, Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentleman of the House. Every year my daughter Lori comes down to visit and 20 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 133 Legislative Day May 18, 1994 she is here today with us. This is my eldest daughter, Lori age 29, and she is here with her friends from Bethsham, which is right behind me; headed by Joe Landaga. So if you would not mind, Lori has a few words to say, and if you would welcome Bethsham here. So this is with your permission Madam Speaker, my daughter Lori Daniels."
"Hello, we want to thank you, that you help us and keep the good work up and we thank you for coming to our center. Thanks."
"Thank you. Representative Phelps for that reason do you rise?"
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Since we are on that sort of agenda, if I could have a point of personal privilege to just recognize that my seat here, Nancy Williams who is a correctional officer is Vinna Correction Center in Johnson County, who was threatened and almost killed in an incident February 3rd, spent 11 days in a hospital. I think we should show the respect for enduring that and show attention to those people in a high risk line of duty daily for the citizens of this state. Nancy Williams. Thank you, Madam Speaker."
"Representative McPike."
"Yes, Madam Speaker, on a point of introduction, standing up front with some Democratic House Members, currently is Ray O'Rosko, the fire commissioner from the City of Chicago, a resident of the thirteenth ward. We'd like to welcome him to Springfield."
"Representative Wennlund, your point is well taken. It's not germane. Further Amendments, Mr. Clerk?"
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading."
"House Bill 3798, a Bill for an Act concerning 21 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 133 Legislative Day May 18, 1994 Electronic direct Deposit of State Funds. Third Reading of this Bill."
"Representative Santiago."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. I move to adopt this Bill, as amended."
"Representative Wennlund."
"Inquiry of the Chair? Was this Bill on the Order of Second Reading. Or was it moved from Third to Second?"
"It was just moved to Third."
"It was not originally on Third on House Calendar?"
"Mr. Clerk, can you please give us the status on what the Bill was?"
"The Bill was on the order Second Reading, having been read a second time previously."
"Thank you very much."
"The Gentleman moves...the Gentleman moves for the passage of House Bill 3798. All those in favor vote 'aye'; opposed vote 'no'. The voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. 116 voting 'aye'; none voting 'no'. This Bill, having received the required Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Jan Schakowsky on House Bill 3032 on the Order of Government Administration. Third Reading. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk"
"House Bill 3032, a Bill for an Act that amended the Disabled persons Rehabilitations Act. ct. Third Reading of the Bill."
"Representative Schakowsky."
"Thank you, Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 3032, is a Bill that would begin to pay personal attendants, those individuals who care for persons 22 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 133 Legislative Day May 18, 1994 with disabilities in their homes, enabling them to live at home, work in the community, and be part of the community. It would require that they be paid as of July 1st, 1994, $5.00 per hour, minimum rate and then, this legislation incorporates Representative Daniels' House Bill 3874, which would say thereafter that personal assistants would be paid at least 73% of the rate that has paid by the Department on Aging to homemaker agencies. This is legislation that is passed...the Amendment passed unanimously and now the Bill passed unanimously out of Committee And I would urge an 'aye' vote."
"The Lady moves for the passage of House Bill 3032, Representative Hawkins." Hawkins: I "Madam Chairman, and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. rise to urge passage of this legislation. Obviously the people that do this work, do a valuable service to a lot of people in need in this state, and unfortunately under our system those people are the ones that are at the lowest range in pay, and they do some of the most valuable work that's done for society and I hope that we have a unanimous vote on this badly needed legislation. Than you."
"Representative Wennlund."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"
"She indicates that she will."
"What is this going to cost the state on an annual basis? This increase."
"The fiscal note for FY 95, is $4,908,900."
"And then what does it go to in 1996, since it is a stipend increase?"
"$8,254,000."
"What about 1997 and 1998?"
"In 1997 18.5. In 1998 31.1." 23 133 Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 18, 1994
"And what was the genesis of this legislation. Can you tell us? Where did this come from?"
"The underlying Bill, before it was amended, was a Bill that came from a broad coalition of disability rights organizations, and from those who work as personal attendants. The Amendment to the legislation, was a Bill that Representative Daniels introduced and is now a part of this legislation."
"So that the underlying Bill is actually House Bill 3874, which was Sponsored by Representative Daniels?"
"3032 had the $5.00 increase beginning July 1, 1994. 3874, would say that thereafter that personal attendants will make 73% of the amount that is made by home care workers under the Department on Aging."
"And do they do similar work?"
"They do..."
"What do these people do? Maybe...."
"These are people who come into the home and help with activities of daily living. With eating, bathing, toileting, shopping, and allowing people very often to be able to get out of bed so that they can go to work and become tax payers and allow them to be active in the community. So they are in some ways the arms and legs of people who want to live at home."
"To the Bill. Ladies and Gentleman of the House, this is just another example of House Democratic Majority killing a Bill sponsored by Representative Daniels. They did not let it go any where. They list the same language, steal the same language, and put a Democrat on as the Sponsor of the same language. Now I don't have any problem with the paying of Home Care Workers at all. It is the principle of it and that's what has taken place this entire 24 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 133 Legislative Day Session. When we went 12 days without a May 18, 1994 Republican Bill being called. Here is another example, just one more example, of the tyranny that has taken place in this House and it stinks."
"Representative Moffitt."
"Thank you, Speaker and Ladies and Gentleman of the House. I rise in support of the Bill. I second my concerns that were expressed by my colleague Representative Wennlund. I think that it's unfortunate that we're handling Bills this way, playing politics with them. But the important thing is that we are trying to do something for the P.A's of the state who do an out standing job, and by this service many individuals are able to stay in their home that are otherwise not able to. So I think it is very cost effective, we need to tell them how much they are appreciated, and the important thing is that we do pass it to let them know."
"Representative Sue Deuchler."
"Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentleman of the House. To the Bill. I rise in support of House Bill 3032, certainly the savings overall to the state, by keeping these individuals in their homes, and adequately paying personal care attendants is certainly good public policy, and I noticed that you have Sponsors on both sides of the aisle. So I urge a yes vote."
"Representative Tom Johnson." Johnson, Tom: "Yes, will the Sponsor yield?"
"She indicates that she will." Johnson, Tom: "Representative, I believe that I support this legislation fully, but I just need a couple of questions answered for me personally here. How are these rates currently set at? These people are reimbursed dollars is 25 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 133 Legislative Day that it?" May 18, 1994
"Yes, they are actually employees of the Department, well they are paid by the Department of Rehabilitation Services, But they are hired by the person with the disability." Johnson, Tom: "Okay. And the rates are they currently set at some lower number or is it just a reimbursement figure?"
"They are at $4.65 an hour. This would raise them to $5.00 an hour." Johnson, Tom: "And approximately how many of these individuals are there? Do you know?"
"I am afraid I don't." Johnson, Tom: "Okay, thank you."
"Representative Giles."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. To the Members of the House. This is a good piece of legislation. The reason I know, my mother is a homemaker. Often times as I have stated in committee, these individuals they go beyond the duty, they end up spending resources that they have personally to help these individuals that are at home. Most of these individuals are on fixed income, and often times they do not have the necessities and the wherewithal to provide all the things they need. I know my mother, she had spend money out of her pocket, because of the low wage of homemakers. With the cost of health care rising, and I know that this will Bill save money in the long run, because there are more individuals that are staying at home, and this Bill will save money in the long run, because there are more individuals that are staying at home. And this Bill will save money, it is a humane Bill, and it's the type of legislation that I was sent down to represent constituency in the eighth district and in the 26 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 133 Legislative Day May 18, 1994 State of Illinois. So I urge all of my colleagues to vote for this legislation."
"Representative Walsh."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"
"She indicates that she will."
"Thank you, Representative did you say that House Bill 3874, has been amended on to this Bill."
"Yes."
"Entirely."
"Yes."
"I was under the impression that 3874 was amended on to House Bill 259, which we already passed. And that your Bill 3032 was on that 259 also? It wasn't?"
"I do not know. I don't think it was."
"The language from this Bill was not amended on to, to 259?"
"No, no."
"I was just curious, well I too stand in support of this legislation. This is a job, the personal care attendants, it's really a job of love. And there isn't anybody that is in this job that is ever going to get wealthy doing it. But I think what we have to do, is we have to make sure that they can make a living, and we have to, to the best of our ability assure continuity, for the sake of the disabled that they'll have the same personal care attendant, because these are the people who help them daily, and we don't want there to be a lot of change and a lot of turn over in this position. So let's do our best, and this is really getting back to the basics of what our responsibility is in this state, and that is to take of people who can't take care of themselves. So let's pass this good piece of legislation and I urge everybody on my side of the aisle to vote yes." 27 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE
133 Legislative Day Speaker Flowers: "Representative Cross."
"Thank you, Speaker, will the Sponsor yield?"
"Yes, she will."
"Representative, I this, I believe this is good legislation. I am just concerned, not concerned but curious. Will any of this money go back...at the local level to any county programs or is this all through the Department of Aging?"
"No, this is through the Department of Rehabilitation Services and this money goes directly to the personal assistants. This is an increase in their income?"
"That's fine, I am glad of that. There are some local agencies in my area that offer similar programs, at least I think that they do. Will they have access to any of this money?"
"Under DOORS, they do not work through agencies. You are thinking of the Department on Aging program. We dealt with that in committee this morning, and the Health Care Committee, but this is a separate program under DORS, under which the personal assistants are directly reimbursed, they don't work through agencies."
"Well, how do we, how are we assured that every county is represented in some capacity? How does every county get some of this money?"
"Wherever there are persons, that are eligible for this program, that hire a personal assistant, then those people will be reimbursed regardless where they are."
"Okay, thank you very much."
"Representative Davis."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. I rise in support of this legislation. This is the legislation, Representative or Madam Speaker, that you usually carry. But we are glad to 28 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 133 Legislative Day May 18, 1994 see that Ms. Schakowsky does have it. The reason I rise in support of it is because, it allows the state to keep many senior citizens in their homes, rather than having them go to nursing homes, based upon their inability to do certain things for themselves. These are people who go into the homes of people who are sometimes disabled through an illness, or an accident, or becoming a senior citizen, and the work that they do, when they go into these homes, allows that person to remain in the community, and getting just some of the service that we can provide. I think it is an excellent opportunity for us to show our senior citizens that we do value the services that they need, and that we're going to try to apply amply, who do the work and do these chores. So I urge an 'aye' vote from all us in this Body. Thank you, Madam Chairman."
"The Lady moves for the passage of House Bill 3032. All those in favor say...I'm sorry, Representative Schakowsky, to close."
"Just wanted to say that persons with disabilities, and those who serve them in their home appreciate very much, bipartisan support on this important legislation. I urge an 'aye' vote. Thank you."
"The Lady moves for the passage of House Bill 3032. All those in favor vote 'aye'; opposed, 'no'. The voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk, shall take the record. 116 voting 'aye', none voting 'no'. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On the Order of Second Reading, State Operations Special Calls. School Watch List. Representative Ostenburg on House Bill 3455. Mr. Clerk, are there any Amendments?"
"House Bill 3455, the Bill has been read a second 29 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 133 Legislative Day May 18, 1994 time previously. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee. No Motions are filed. Floor Amendment #2, offered by Representative Hoeft."
"Representative Hoeft, on Floor Amendment #2, to House Bill 3455, withdraw. Are there any further Amendments?"
"Floor Amendment #3, offered by Representative Cowlishaw."
"Representative Cowlishaw, on Floor Amendment #3, Representative Cowlishaw, withdraw."
"Floor Amendment #4, offered by Representative Hoeft."
"Representative Hoeft, withdraw."
"No further Amendments."
"Third Reading. Mr. Clerk."
"House Bill 3455, a Bill for an Act amending the School Code. Third Reading of this House Bill."
"Representative Ostenburg."
"Thank you, Madam Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This measure is one that we spoke about before. It relates to a discontinuation of the requirements for the reporting on the recognition process on the State of Illinois. This is a measure that has been requested by superintendents, principals, school teachers, because of the heavy paper work that is involved and the fact that all of the particulars of what are necessary for the reports have not yet be detailed by the State Board of Education. This will not effect the process at all. It simply creates a one year moratorium. The IGAP tests will continue, but there will be no visitation or no reports filed for the one year period. And I ask a favorable vote."
"Representative Wennlund." 30 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 133 Legislative Day May 18, 1994
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"
"Yes, he will."
"Can you tell me Representative Ostenburg, why is it that the state chamber and the Illinois Manufacturers Association are so opposed to this measure?"
"I can't tell you that, because I can't read their minds, but I would point out to you that those are groups that are not educational groups. They're not teacher groups, they're not administrative groups, they're not superintendent groups, they are not aware of what goes on in the class room. The need for teachers to spend time teaching and as result they may very well good heartedly endorse something that do not understand. I would put more credence in the organizations that represent administrators, principles, and teachers who, in fact, are involved in the day to day process of educating students and who recognize how heavily this detracts from their ability to perform their duties."
"And how does it do that?"
"Pardon me."
"How does it do that?"
"It does that by imposing severe requirements on them, for reporting relationships, for visitations and things of that sort. When the details of what they have to report on have not yet been worked out by the State Board of Education, and by the testimony of the acting superintendent in committee, will not be finalized for as much as 15 months yet from today's date. Given that circumstance, a number of districts have had to prepare reports which have then been thrown back to them for Amendment and correction, they have submitted them a second and even a third time, involving academic time that should 31 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 133 Legislative Day May 18, 1994 be used in teaching and instead is involved in the preparation of reports where the parameters are non-specific."
"Can you tell me why LUDA would be against it then, though? The Large Unit District Association, why would they be against a Bill that would stream line or make it more efficient, for teachers to spend more time teaching rather than testing."
"Again, Representative I don't know why any particular group is against it. You would have to ask them, but I can tell you that a lot of people are fearful that this is going to interfere with the process. The Bill does not interfere with any thing except the time lines, and it may very well be that they're concern is based upon what they see as a change in the process. Everything will be in place the same as it always has been. It only creates a one year moratorium so that the requirements at the state level can be worked out adequately."
"So, the State Board of Education is opposed to it. They just haven't had their act together to implement the necessary rules and regulations, so that this will give them one year moratorium, so that they can put those regulations into effect, is that what it does?"
"That's exactly what it does."
"Okay, thank you very much."
"Representative Persico."
"Thank you, Madam Chair. Will the Sponsor yield?"
"Yes, he will."
"Representative if your Bill passes this is no way in effect, you're not against the concept of school improvement programs, correct?"
"Not in the least bit." 32 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 133 Legislative Day May 18, 1994
"In other words all you are trying to do is to slow the process down a little so the State Board as well as the different school districts can look at what exactly the State Board of Education is asking the particular school districts to do?"
"That's right Representative, exactly."
"Are there certain parameters that the State Board of Education has come up with, in order to give this guidance to the local school districts."
"The State Board has embarked on a process to make many of these corrections, and by their own indications within the next several months those corrections should be in place, but the process is not completed at this point."
"Is one of their recommendations to come up with some sort of computer program, to help the local school districts in terms of putting in the information that the State Board going to require?"
"According to testimony in committee from the acting superintendent that is one of things that they are working on."
"And how long before that is expected to be ready?"
"My recollection is that the testimony said it would not be for as much as 15 months."
"And that's the computer program that you are talking about."
"That's right."
"Are there any other recommendations that the State Board, who I believe are beginning to see, that there is some discontent with this particular program, not the concept but the way that it's being implemented. Are there any other particular things that they are trying to come up with?" 33 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 133 Legislative Day Ostenburg: May 18, 1994 more local "They have made effort of late to involve area people involved in the process, they set up committees around the state, they improved the representation on those committees, and I am optimistic that all of that effort will be fruitful, if enough time is given to work out those details." to
"So again you are just trying to slow down the process a little bit in order to let the State Board of Education come up with the different recommendations that they are trying to implement a little bit."
"Exactly."
"Okay, thank you. To the Bill, I stand in support of this Bill, as one of the unique position that I have teaching half the year and being involved in the school improvement program, I have had direct, hands on, contact with this particular aspect. What I have found out in the semester that I thought this year is that, two full institute days have been spent, on trying to deal with a coming up with the school improvement program. Nobody's arguing with the concept. What we found out was, there were very few parameters in order to give us the guidance that we needed to come up with a particular program that would pass the State Board of Education. Besides the two full institute days that we spent on this, we also spent countless hours in the morning and afternoon, and what was happening there was a great deal of frustration, not only with teachers but also administrators, principals, school superintendents because they did not have the parameters, they didn't have the computer program, which is presently being developed, in order to help them. And SO I think that this Bill is going to be a good step in the right direction, to continue with the process of improving our 34 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 133 Legislative Day May 18, 1994 schools, but yet giving the parameters and the time needed to do a real good job. And I urge support of this legislation."
"Representative Cowlishaw."
"Thank you very much, Madam Speaker and Ladies and Gentleman of the House. I think it is important for you to recognize precisely what this Bill does. This Bill says that the recognition process, in other words, the program for requiring our schools to be truly accountable is in fact put into a condition of a moratorium, from the time of the effective date of this proposed Bill, until July 1, 1995. Now let me tell you what it prohibits. It prohibits, during that period of time, without limitation any proceedings to implement recognition standards for student performance or school improvement, proceedings to complete pending proceedings for the recognition or non-recognition of schools or school districts, proceedings to place schools or schools districts on an academic watch list. Proceedings to conduct an on site visitation or other evaluation or assessment incident to determine whether the school or school district should be placed on a academic watch list, and proceedings to implement rules or regulations at the school or school district as part of the recognition process. What this Bill asks us to accept, is taking absolutely no responsibility for the quality of education being offered to the children of our state, from now until July 1, 1995. In my opinion that is not just misguided, it is the most irresponsible proposal I have ever seen brought before us, and believe me folks I have seen a lot of irresponsible proposals, but this one not only takes the cake, it takes the cake with frosting."
"Representative Ostenburg, to close." 35 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 133 Legislative Day May 18, 1994
"Thank you, Madam Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Contrary to the comments that were just made. I think what this does is creates a greater opportunity for responsibility, because, in fact, what we're doing is not subjecting school districts, teachers, and administrators, to useless exercises, where they're preparing material that will them be rejected because it's not clear cut, what's being asked of them. But, in fact, gives the opportunity to the State Board, to work out the details, so that we do have a conscientious, and responsible response when it finally comes from the various school districts and schools. I think that this is an action that improves the process and, does nothing to deter from its effectiveness. In the long run, we will be far better served if these reports are prepared based upon accurate details. If we allow them to be prepared when the requirements are non-specific all we are doing is creating a mess out of which the schools are going to have a difficult time emerging with accurate material later on. I urge a favorable response."
"The Gentleman moves for the passage of House Bill, 3455. All those in favor vote 'aye'; opposed, vote 'no'. Voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk, shall take the record. 87 voting 'aye', 28 voting 'no'. This Bill, having received the required Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Salvi, for what reason do you rise?"
"Thank you, Madam Speaker. I rise in a point of personal privilege. To introduce the Great 7th and 8th grade classes at St. Mary's, in Freemont Township."
"Representative Vickie Moseley in the Chair." 36 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 133 Legislative Day May 18, 1994
"Thank you, I have some very important visitors here with us today. Springfield, as you know, ends up with a lot of visitors from all over the world. And today we have two Mayors; Mayor Wong and Mayor Sung, from China and I am going to ask their interpreter to give us the names of the cities that they represent because I could not possibly pronounce it. Mayor Sun and Mayor Wang they are from two cities near Shang-Hi, and one city is called Jing-Jiang, and the other city is called Jiang-Yin, it is only a few miles from Shang-hi and one is on the north of the river, Yung is the river one is on the south and they're going to build a bridge between the two cities, and they are our guests. So if you all would please help me welcome them to Springfield, and to Illinois and to the United States. Thank you."
"Resolutions Mr. Clerk."
"House Resolution 2732, offered by Representative Hawkins."
"Committee on Assignments. Are there any announcements? House is prepared to adjourn until 12:00 p.m. tomorrow. But we would like for the members to know that we will be in Session on Friday. And allowing for perfunctory time, Granberg moves that the House stands adjourned, until 12:00 p.m. tomorrow."
"House Perfunctory Session, will be in order. Committee Reports. Committee Reports offered by Representative Phelps, Chairman from the Committee on Health Care and Human Services, to which the following Bills were referred, action taken on May 18, 1994 reported the same back with the following recommendations: 'do pass' Senate Bill 1579; 'do pass' House Bill 1710; 'do pass as amended Short Debate' Senate Bill 1457; 'do pass as 37 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 133 Legislative Day May 18, 1994 amended' Senate Bill 1546; 'do pass as amended' Senate Bill 1147; 'do pass as amended' Senate Bill 1718; 'do pass as amended' Senate Bill 1261; 'do pass as amended' Senate Bill 1261; 'do pass as amended' Senate Bill 1319; 'do pass as amended' Senate Bill 1747. Representative Phelps, Chairman from the Committee on Health Care and Human Services, to which the following Bills and Resolutions were referred, action taken on May 18, 1994 reported the same back with the following recommendations: 'do pass as amended Short Debate' Senate Bill 1480; 'do pass Short Debate' Senate Bill 1729; 'do pass Short Debate' Senate Bill 1657; 'do pass as amended Short Debate' Senate Bill 1709; 'do pass as amended Short Debate' Senate Bill 1704; 'do pass as amended Short Debate' Senate Bill 1165. Representative Curran, Chairman from the Committee on Elections and State Government, to which the following Bills and Resolutions were referred, action taken on May 18, 1994 reported the same back with the following recommendations: 'do pass as amended Short Debate' Senate Bill 1182; 'do pass as amended Short Debate' Senate Bill 1570; 'do pass as amended Short Debate' Senate Bill 1832; 'do adopt' House Resolution 2697. Representative Brunsvold, Chairman from the Committee on Elementary and Secondary Education, to which the following Bills were referred, action taken on May 18, reported the same back with the following recommendations: 'do pass as amended' Senate Bill 1181; 'do pass as amended Short Debate' Senate Bill 1144; 'do pass as amended Short Debate' Senate Bill 1733; 'do pass as amended Short Debate' Senate Bill 1324; 'do pass as amended Consent Calendar' Senate Bill 1595; 'do pass as amended Consent Calendar' Senate Bill 1186. Representative Santiago, Chairman from the Committee on Counties and Townships, to which the following 38 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 133 Legislative Day May 18, 1994 Bills and Resolutions were referred, action taken on April 18, 1994 reported the same back with the following recommendations: 'do pass' Senate Bill 1427; 'do pass as amended' Senate Bill 1297.
"Messages from the Senate, by Jim Harry, Secretary of the Senate. Mr. Speaker I am directed to inform the House of Representatives that the Senate has adopted the following Senate Joint Resolution
"A Message from the Senate by Mr. Harry, Secretary. 'Mr. Speaker, I am directed to inform the House of Representatives that the Senate has adopted the following Senate Joint Resolution. In the adoption of which I am instructed to ask concurrence of the House of Representatives, towit Senate Joint Resolution #162, adopted by the Senate May 18, 1994. Jim Harry, Secretary'. A Message from the Senate by Mr. Harry, Secretary. 'Mr. Speaker, I am directed to inform the House of Representatives that the Senate Mr. Speaker I am directed to inform the House Representatives that the Senate has concurred with the House of Representatives in the passage of House Bill 1774 to gather with Senate Amendment #1, and has in the adoption of which I am instructed to ask the concurrence of the House. Jim Harry, Secretary' A Message from the Senate by Mr. Harry, Secretary. 'Mr. Speaker, I am directed to inform the House of Representatives that the Senate has concurred with the House of Representatives in the passage of House Bill 2641 together the Senate Amendment #1, together in the adoption of which I am instructed to ask the concurrence of the House, both of these House Bills 2641, together with Senate Amendment #1. Together in the adoption which I am instructed to ask the concurrence of the House both of these of House Bills pass 39 133 Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE the Senate on May 18. Jim Harry, Secretary'."
"Perfunctory will be in recess."
Clerk McLennand" May 18, 1994 "Perfunctory will be in order. Committee Reports. Representative Younge, Chairman from the Committee on Higher Education, to which the following Bills were referred, action taken on May 18 1994, reported the same back with the following recommendations: 'do pass as amended' Senate Bill 1322; 'do pass as amended' Senate Bill 1766. Representative Hannig, Chairman from the Committee on Appropriations General Services, to which the following Bills and Resolutions were referred, action taken on May 18 1994, reported the same back with the following recommendations: 'do pass' Senate Bill 1776; 'do pass' Senate Bill 1773; 'do pass as amended' Senate Bill 1756; 'do pass as amended' Senate Bill 1771; 'do pass as amended' Senate Bill 1258. Representative Saltsman, Chairman from the Committee on Appropriations for Public Safety, to which the following Bills were referred, action taken on May 18 1994, reported the same back with the following recommendations: 'do pass as amended' Senate Bill 1755.
"Being no further business the House Perfunctory Session will be adjourned. The House will reconvene on Thursday May 19, at the hour of 12:00 noon." 40 REPORT: TIFLDAY PAGE: 001 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES DAILY TRANSCRIPTION OF DEBATE INDEX MAY 18, 1994 94/10/18 12:11:19 HB-3032 THIRD READING PAGE 22 HB-3386 RECALLED PAGE 5 HB-3386 THIRD READING PAGE 4 HB-3386 MOTION PAGE 7 HB-3449 SECOND READING PAGE 14 HB-3449 THIRD READING PAGE 17 HB-3455 SECOND READING PAGE 29 HB-3455 THIRD READING PAGE 30 HB-3798 SECOND READING PAGE 18 HB-3798 THIRD READING PAGE 21 HB-4009 SECOND READING PAGE 7 HB-4009 THIRD READING PAGE 13 SUBJECT MATTER HOUSE TO ORDER- SPEAKER FLOWERS PAGE 1 PRAYER REVEREND NANCY FENIUK-NELSON PAGE 1 PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE PAGE 2 ROLL CALL ATTENDANCE PAGE 2 COMMITTEE REPORTS PAGE 2 AGREED RESOLUTIONS PAGE 2 DEATH RESOLUTIONS PAGE 4 INTRODUCE LORI DANIELS PAGE 20 GENERAL RESOLUTION PAGE 37 HOUSE ADJOURNED PAGE 37 PERFUNCTORY SESSION PAGE 37 COMMITTEE REPORTS PAGE 37 MESSAGES FROM THE SENATE PAGE 39 COMMITTEE REPORTS PAGE 40 PERFUNCTORY SESSION ADJOURNED PAGE 40