Illinois House Floor Debate — March 21, 1995

"The House will come to order, Members will be in their chairs. Representative Churchill in the Chair. Today we will have with us the Reverend Al Creighton from Our Saviour's Lutheran Church in Naperville for the prayer. Reverend Creighton is the guest of Representative Mary Lou Cowlishaw. Will the guests in the gallery please rise for the invocation. Reverend Creighton."

"Let us pray. Hello, God here we are again calling to offer You thanks and praise. We thank You God for giving us this day that You have made, remind us always to use the day well, to spend time on worthwhile things. The agriculture that we celebrate today calls us into account that You have given us dominion over Your creation. Help us always to be good stewards of the land and the livestock. There is much to do in this place and we ask for Your help to make the Members of this House diligent and wise, patient and compassionate, listening and caring. Help us all to sort out our priorities. To debate meaningfully and always to keep those whom we serve first in our thoughts and duties. We call upon You to bless all of our government bodies. We ask especially for Your blessing on Governor Edgar, the Senate and this House of the State of Illinois. Through the work done here let people point and say, 'Illinois is the best place to live, to work and to grow our children.' And at the end of every day, God when we lay our tired bodies down for rest, remind us to take time to laugh with You and to listen to the music of our soul in that laughter. We ask all this God because we are Your children and You said that we could and that You would listen. Amen."

Speaker Churchill: "We'll be led in the Pledge today by Representative Hartke." 1  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day March 21, 1995

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

"Roll Call for Attendance. Excused absences. Representative Currie is recognized to report any excused absences on the Democratic side of the aisle."

"Thank you, Speaker. Please let the record show that Representative Shirley Jones and Representative Martinez are both excused today."

"Thank you. Representative Cross is recognized to report any excused absences on the Republican side of the aisle."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'm looking through the list right now, it appears that no one is absence today from the Republican side of the aisle. Thank you."

"Ask that the Journal show that Representatives are excused as per the request of their Party people. With leave of the House the Journal will SO indicate. Mr. Clerk, take the record. There are 116 Members answering the roll and a quorum is present. The House will come to order. We have several introductions that I would like to make today. In the Speaker's gallery you will see the Chest Team of Rezion Orr Community Academy High School, the high school chest state champions are visiting with us today and these are guest from Representative Coy Pugh's district. Congratulations Representative Pugh, that's a great thing to have happen from your district. This is also National Agriculture week, we have with us today, Miss Illinois County Fair 1995, Erin Lee Duesterhaus. Miss Duesterhaus will reign over the 1995 Illinois State Fair. Erin is from Rochester, 2  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day March 21, 1995 Illinois in Sangamon County and is the guest of Representative Raymond Poe. Welcome to the Illinois Legislature. Also visiting during National Ag week is, Mr. Cory Flornoy, guest of Tom Dart, Cory is the President of the Future Farmers of America and is the first city person to be elected to this office. Welcome to the Illinois Legislature. And we're very happy today that Erin and Cory are joined by the Director of the Illinois Department of Agriculture, Becky Doyle. Would just like to announce for the Members that this will be a very long week, that we'll be in Session for a long hours each day. We have arranged for dinner to be served on Tuesday night, Wednesday night, and Thursday night. On Tuesday night dinner will from the Olive Garden. On Wednesday dinner will be from House of Hunan. And on Thursday, dinner will be from Bernies and Betty's. We will try...arrange to have dinner around 6:30 each evening and it will be served from the Speaker's corridor. So, you need not make other arrangements although you might want to make sure that you don't have any outside dinner arrangements, as we will be here on the floor of the House doing business. House Bills, Second Reading. First House Bill would be House Bill 2302. Representative Stephens, do you wish this Bill called? Representative do you want to call House Bill 2302? Mr. Clerk, read House Bill 2302, please."

"House Bill 2302, a Bill for an Act that amends the School Code. Second Reading of this House Bill. Committee Amendments #1, 2, and 3 have been referred to rules. No Motions filed. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. For what purpose does the Gentlemen from Cook, Representative Lang rise?"

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I noticed that we're on page 27 3  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day March 21, 1995 of the Calendar, my understanding was the Chair's intention to start at page 1 and go straight through them, am I incorrect?"

"Today we started at 2300 and we will go straight through. Representative Lang."

"Can you tell the Body what the plan is for Bills that precede 2302 in number?"

"Representative Lang, I believe when we finish with the last number in the Second Readings we will start again anew. Representative Lang."

"You will be starting back at the beginning of Second Reading going straight through Bill by Bill, is that your plan, Mr. Speaker?"

"As long as we're on the Order of Second Reading we will begin at the beginning and work our way through to the end. Representative Lang."

"One more question, relative to this Bill which you just took off Second and moved to Third. Had there been any Amendments filed or are there any Amendments on the Bill, Mr. Speaker?"

"Mr. Clerk."

"Committee Amendments #1, 2, and 3 were referred to rules. There were no Floor Amendments filed."

"Next Bill would be House Bill 2305, Representative Winters. Mr. Clerk, please read House Bill 2305."

"House Bill 2305, a Bill for an Act that amends the School Code. Second Reading of this House Bill. Committee Amendments #1, 2, and 3 were referred to subcommittee. Committee Amendment #4 was adopted. No Motions filed. Floor Amendments #5, 6, and 7 have been referred to rules. A fiscal note has been filed on the 4  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE March 21, 1995 35th Legislative Day Bill as amended."

"Third Reading. Representative Lang."

"Mr. Speaker, my understanding is that Amendment #4 had not been printed and distributed to the Body even though it was adopted in committee and accordingly I think the Bill went to Third Reading erroneously and I would ask that you investigate, Mr. Speaker."

"We'll take a look at that and get right back to you. Mr. Clerk, what is the status of Committee Amendment #4 to House Bill 2305?"

"Committee Amendment #4 has not been distributed."

"The Bill will remain on Second Reading. House Bill 2307. Out of the record. House Bill 2308, Representative Mulligan. Mr. Clerk, please read House Bill 2308."

"House Bill 2308 has been read a second time previously. No Amendments. No Motions filed. Fiscal note has been filed on the Bill."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2313, Representative Johnson. Representative Tom Johnson. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 2313, a Bill for an Act that amends the Juvenile Court Act of 1987. Second Reading of this House Bill. Committee Amendment #1 was referred to rules. Committee Amendment #2 was referred to subcommittee. Floor Amendments #3, and 4 are in rules."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2317, Representative Bost."

"House Bill 2317, a Bill for an Act that amends the Criminal Code of 1961. Second Reading of the Bill. Committee Amendment #1 is referred to rules. Committee 5  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE March 21, 1995 35th Legislative Day Amendment #2 was referred to subcommittee. Committee Amendment #3 was adopted. Floor Amendments #4 and 5, referred to rules. A fiscal note and a correctional budget impact note has been requested on the Bill. They are not filed."

"The Bill will remain on second. For what purpose...House Bill 2318, Representative Tom Johnson. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 2318, a Bill for an Act that amends the Criminal Code of 1961. Second Reading of the Bill. Committee Amendment #1 was referred to rules. Committee Amendment #2 was referred to subcommittee. Floor Amendment #3, and 4 are in rules. No Motions filed."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2319, Representative Tom Johnson. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 2319, a Bill for an Act that amends the Criminal Code of 1961. Second Reading of this House Bill. Committee Amendment #1 was referred to rules. Committee Amendment #2 was referred to subcommittee. Floor Amendments #3, and 4 have been referred to rules. No Motions have been filed."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2320, Representative Tom Johnson. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 2320, a Bill for an Act that amends the Unified Code of Corrections. Second Reading of this House Bill. Committee Amendment #1 was referred to rules. Committee Amendment #2 was referred to subcommittee. Floor Amendments #3, and 4 have been referred to rules. No Motions filed."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2321. Out of the 6  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day March 21, 1995 record. House Bill 2322, Representative Tom Johnson. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 2322, a Bill for an Act that amends the Unified Code of Corrections. Second Reading of this House Bill. Committee Amendment #1 is referred to rules. Committee Amendment #2 is referred to subcommittee. Floor Amendments #3, and 4 have been referred to rules. No Motions filed."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2323. For what purpose does the Gentleman from St. Clair, Representative Hoffman arise."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker. With regard to House Bill 2321, Committee Amendment #3, I don't believe has been printed and distributed. And there's also a fiscal note requested."

"We took that out of the record. House Bill 2321 was taken out of the record. Representative Hoffman. House Bill 2323. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 2323, a Bill for an Act that amends the Property Tax Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2326, Representative O'Connor. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 2326, a Bill for an Act that amends the Illinois Motor Vehicle Thief Prevention Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments. A fiscal note has been requested on the Bill and has not been filed."

"The Bill will remain on Second Reading. House Bill 2329, Representative Wirsing. Out of the record. House Bill 2330, Representative Zickus. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill." 7  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day March 21, 1995

"House Bill 2330, a Bill for an Act concerning public health. Second Reading of this Bill. Committee Amendment #1 was adopted. It has not been distributed. A fiscal note has been filed on the Bill."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Lang. Representative Lang you're on."

"I'm sorry. Is the Amendment printed and distributed, Mr. Speaker?"

"Clerk?"

"I just indicated that the Amendment has not been distributed."

"The Bill will remain on second. House Bill 2331, Representative Ryder. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 2331, a Bill for an Act concerning the regulation of insurance practices. Second Reading of the Bill. Committee Amendments #1 and 2 were referred to subcommittee. Committee Amendment #4 was adopted. Committee Amendment #3 was approved for consideration by the Rules Committee. Floor Amendments #5 and 6 were referred to rules. A fiscal note has been requested on the Bill and has not be filed. A fiscal note has been filed on the Bill, as amended. Committee Amendment #3 was approved for consideration by the Rules Committee."

"Representative Flowers. Welcome to the Illinois House of Representatives. You are here at the appropriate moment. We are at Committee Amendment #3 to House Bill 2331 which is your Amendment. Representative Flowers, do you not wish to call this very important Amendment? I can't hear you. Representative Flowers is recognized."

"Mr. Speaker. Is this Amendment printed and distributed yet? And I know you've been waiting all day to debate this 8  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day March 21, 1995 issue because it's a very important issue, unrelated to kids of course. But I just need to know."

"Yes. It's printed and distributed and waiting...we're waiting for you to present this Amendment and the floor is yours."

"Thank you, Representative Ryder. I'm sorry, Representative Churchill. But once again, because the floor is mine and the Amendment is mine, I think I'll take the Amendment out of the record."

"Representative Flowers, we know that you took this out of the record but we didn't know whether or not you withdrew the Amendment. Did you...are you saying that the Amendment should be withdrawn? Representative Flowers."

"One minute, Mr. Speaker. Let me confer. No, Mr. Speaker, I'm not going to withdraw this Amendment."

"Then you need to either consider the Amendment at this time or withdraw it because Representative Ryder would like to move forward with his Bill."

"Well, I would appreciate if Representative Ryder would give me time. As you so stated, I just walked in on the House floor and I haven't had the opportunity to review any revisions that may have been in the Amendment. So would you please, Representative Ryder, give me some time? Excuse me, Representative Ryder. Are you shaking your head this way?"

"Representative Ryder."

"Mr. Speaker, I apologize that I was unable to hear the request. The Lady was obviously breathless on her appearance before the House that has been in Session for 35 minutes. So, as a consequence I didn't hear her request. 9  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day March 21, 1995 If the Lady was asking if I would take the Bill out of the record SO that we can discuss her Amendment tomorrow, I would happy to accommodate that. Because those of us who opposed that Amendment strenuously, would be most happy to hear her arguments and the arguments of her friends as to why they want to repel the workman's compensation law of the State of Illinois. That, in my opinion, would be one of the most severe blows that could be hit on the working people of this state. I believe that our side of the aisle will vote against her repel, we will stand up for those working people. If she wishes, tomorrow to have an opportunity to debate it, I will accommodate the Lady, if she will simply tell me her intentions."

"Representative Flowers, it sounds like a debate has started, perhaps you ought to just present your Amendment. Representative Flowers."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I do appreciate Representative Ryder's consideration, considering the fact that I was 35 minutes late coming onto the floor. But as a result of my tardiness, would you please, Representative Ryder take your Bill out of the record, SO we can consider this fantastic piece of legislation tomorrow? Since you are so concerned with the working people of the State of Illinois."

"Representative Ryder."

"Speaker, the Lady has made a request and I will agree to accommodate that request. I further would request that perhaps the Chair might wish to schedule this Bill for a time certain tomorrow, so that we would all be aware and in a timely fashion. The Lady's Amendment deserves debate, I look forward to that debate and I would be happy to accommodate the Lady's request." 10  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day March 21, 1995

"Representative Flowers, Representative Ryder has graciously consented to take the Bill out of the record and has requested that we set a time certain SO that we will have time to debate this Amendment. And it would be the Chair's intention to do this tomorrow at the hour of 9:00 a.m., if that would be fine. Representative Flowers."

"Mr. Speaker. I would like to confer with my scheduler and I'll get back with you please."

"Perhaps then you ought to withdraw the Amendment and we can move forward on the Bill."

"No, Mr. Speaker. I would prefer to get back with you on the time certain, please."

"The Chair would set the time for 9:00 a.m. tomorrow morning and if Representative Flowers wishes to check with her scheduler and come and talk to the Chair and there's any change we'll get back to you. Representative Parke, for what reason do you rise?"

"Yes. I'm...on this Amendment I was wondering, since we haven't discussed this Amendment at this time, where there other...was this Amendment filed on other legislation, with other Sponsors? And I would ask Representative Ryder if he knows of this Amendment being out so that I could look for it on other pieces of legislation. Has it been filed other places?"

"Representative Parke, perhaps you would be able to talk to Representative Ryder and he could inform of that. And we will continue with the business of the House. House Bill 2332, Representative Kubik. Representative Kubik do you wish to proceed on this? House Bill 2332, Representative Kubik. Mr. Speaker... Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 2332, a Bill for an Act concerning 11  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day taxation. Second Reading of this Bill. adopted in March 21, 1995 Amendment #1 was committee. No Motions filed. No Floor Amendments."

"Representative Hoffman, for what reason do you rise?"

"Mr. Speaker, I was just wondering if this had been printed...the Amendment has been printed and distributed. Secondly, I believe that there's a fiscal note that had been filed on this Bill."

"The Amendment has not been distributed and a fiscal note was requested on the Bill and has not been filed."

"The Bill will remain on second. House Bill 2334, Representative Biggert. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 2334, a Bill for an Act concerning housing. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments. No Motions filed."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2337. Out of the record. House Bill 2338, Representative Biggert, do you wish to...out of the record. House Bill 2341, Representative Winters. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2341, a Bill for an Act concerning rehabilitation services. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments. A fiscal note has been requested on the Bill and has not been filed."

"The Bill will remain on Second Reading. House Bill 2343, Representative Mitchell. Out of the record. House Bill 2345, Representative Parke. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2345, a Bill for an Act create the Airport Noise Act. Second Reading of this Bill. Committee 12  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day March 21, 1995 Amendment #1 was adopted, has not been distributed. No further Motions have been filed on the Bill."

"The Bill will remain on second. House Bill 2347, Representative Turner. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 2347, a Bill for an Act in relation to professional practices. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments. A fiscal note has been filed on the Bill."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2348, Representative Saviano. Out of the record. House Bill 2349, Out of the record. House Bill 2350, Representative Saviano. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2350, a Bill for an Act in relation to professions. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments, and a fiscal note has been filed on the Bill."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2351, Representative Morrow. Out of the record. House Bill 2358. Out of the record. House Bill 2360, Representative Wait. Out of the record. House Bill 2370, Representative Deuchler. Out of the record. House Bill 2393, Representative Cross. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2393, a Bill for an Act concerning child custody. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2397, Representative Daniels. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 2397, a Bill for an Act that amends Judicial Districts Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2401, 13  35th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE March 21, 1995 Representative Klingler. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2401, a Bill for an Act in relation to the powers and duties of the Department of State Police. Second Reading of the Bill. Committee Amendment #1 was adopted in committee. It has not been distributed, a state mandates note and a fiscal note have has been filed on the Bill. No Floor Amendments."

"The Bill will remain on Second Reading. House Bill 2402. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2402, a Bill for an Act that amends the Illinois Health Facilities Planning Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. Floor Amendment #1 is referred to rules. A fiscal note has been filed on the Bill."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2403. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2403, a Bill for an Act that amends the Illinois Public Aid Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments and a fiscal note has been filed on the Bills requested."

"Third Reading."

"Representative Leitch in the Chair. Representative Hoffman."

"Yes, Representative. I just...for a point of clarification. It's my understanding that House Bill 2403, there is a fiscal note that has been requested and there has been one filed. Maybe I misunderstood the Chair, prior to you taking the Chair, however...it's my understanding that the individual in the Chair moved it to Third Reading although the board doesn't indicate. I believe it should be held on Second Reading."

"Representative, the Clerk indicates that the 14  35th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE March 21, 1995 fiscal note was filed. On the Order of Second Reading. House Bill 2404, Representative Kubik. Mr. Clerk, please read House Bill 2404."

"House Bill 2404, a Bill for an Act amending the Judicial Districts Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read House Bill 2405."

"House Bill 2405, a Bill for an Act amending the Supreme Court Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2407. Out of the record. Mr. Clerk, read House Bill 2410, please."

"House Bill 2410, a Bill for an Act amending the Election Code. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Representative Hughes, House Bill 2411. Mr. Clerk, please read House Bill 2411."

"House Bill 2411, a Bill for an Act amending the Counties Code. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Mr. Kubik, House Bill 2414. Mr. Clerk, please read House Bill 2414."

"House Bill 2414, a Bill for an Act amending the Election Code. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2416. Out of the record. Representative Stephens, House Bill 2417. Mr. Clerk, please read House Bill 2417."

"House Bill 2417, a Bill for an Act amending the State Employees Political Activity Act. Second Reading of this Bill. No Committee Amendments. 15  35th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE March 21, 1995 No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Representative Lawfer, House Bill 2419. Mr. Clerk, please read 2419."

"House Bill 2419, a Bill for an Act regarding agencies serving older persons. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments. A corrected fiscal note has been filed."

"Third Reading. Mr. Kubik, House Bill 2421. Mr. Clerk, please read House Bill 2421."

"House Bill 2421, a Bill for an Act amending the Election Code. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2423. Out of the record. House Bill 2429. Out of the record. House Bill 2437. Out of the record. Mr. Spangler, House Bill 2439. Mr. Clerk, please read House Bill 2439."

"House Bill 2439, a Bill for an Act amending the School Code. Second Reading of this House Bill. Committee Amendments 1, 2, and 3 have been referred to subcommittee. Floor Amendments #343, 5, and 6 have been referred to rules. The state mandates note and the fiscal note that were requested on the Bill have been filed." Speaker Le  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day

"Have they been filed, Mr. Clerk?"

"The notes have not been filed." March 21, 1995

"The Bill will remain on Second Reading. House Bill 2442. Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 2442, a Bill for an Act amending the School Code. Second Reading of this House Bill. Committee Amendments 1, 2, and 3 have been referred to subcommittee. Floor Amendment 4, 5, and 6 have been referred to rules. No Motion are filed."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2443. Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 2443, a Bill for an Act amending the School Code. Second Reading of this House Bill. Committee Amendments 1, 2, and 3 have been referred to subcommittee. Floor Amendments 4, 5, and 6 have been referred to rules. A fiscal note has been requested has been requested on the Bill."

"Has the fiscal note been filed, Mr. Clerk?"

"The fiscal note has not been filed."

"The Bill shall remain on Second Reading. House Bill 2444, Representative Roskam. Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 2444, a Bill for an Act to create the voucher systems study task force and to prescribe its duties. Second Reading of this House Bill. Floor Amendments 1, 2, and 3 have been referred to rules. No Motions are filed."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2445. Out of the record. House Bill 2447, Representative Biggert's Bill. Proceed, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 2447, a Bill for an Act amending the Pretrial Services Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. Committee Amendment #1 has been referred to rules. Committee Amendment #2 has been referred to subcommittee. 17  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day March 21, 1995 Floor Amendments 3 and 4 have been referred to rules. A fiscal note and a judicial note have been requested on the Bill."

"Have those notes been filed?"

"The notes have not been filed."

"The Bill shall remain on Second Reading. House Bill 2449, Representative Ciarlo. Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 2449, a Bill for an Act amending the Criminal Code of 1961. Second Reading of this House Bill. Committee Amendment #1 was referred to rules. Committee Amendment #2 was referred to subcommittee. Floor Amendments 3 and 4, have been referred to rules. The fiscal note and the correction budget and impact note that have been requested on the Bill have been field."

"Mr. Clerk, did you indicate they have been filed? Third Reading. House Bill 2451, Representative Mitchell. Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 2451, a Bill for an Act amending the Code of Criminal Procedure of 1963. Second Reading of this House Bill. Committee Amendment #1 has been referred to rules. Committee Amendment #2 has been referred to subcommittee. Floor Amendments #3, and 4 have been referred to rules. The fiscal note and the correctional budget and impact note that were requested on the Bill have been filed."

"Third Reading. Representative Saltsman, did you ask for a point of personal privilege to share with us who won the State Basketball Tournament over the weekend. What school was that again. Representative Saltsman."

"My alma mater, Manual High School."

"And how many times have they won it?"

"Two consecutive years in a row and in 1996 it will be 18  35th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE March 21, 1995 the third year in a row."

"Thank you..."

"They did very well, they showed everybody in the State of Illinois that the basketball capitol of Illinois is in Peoria, Illinois and everybody sends their sincere regards down to the state capitol for your state championship basketball team, the Manual Rams."

"Thank you, Representative."

"Thank you very much."

"Representative... Representative Poe, House Bill 2452. Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 2452, a Bill for an Act amending the Criminal Code of 1961. Second Reading of this House Bill. Committee Amendment #1 has been referred to rules. Committee Amendment #2 has been referred to subcommittee. Floor Amendment 3, and 4 have been referred to rules. A fiscal note has been requested...a fiscal and a correctional budget and impact note have been requested on the Bill and have not been filed."

"Second Reading. For what purpose does the Gentleman from Clinton rise, Representative Granberg."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I just had a question of Representative Poe, I was actually wanting to make an inquiry of Representative Mitchell. Both of these Bills deal with the Criminal Code. I was going to ask the Sponsor if he would hold the Bill on second, so we can deal with our Amendments to have truth and sentencing in Illinois. I'm sure that the Representative would like to consider that issue. We had that Amendment drafted, if Representative Poe would hold this Bill on second the Amendment will be filed and we can deal with this issue on the floor and he, in fact, can be the Sponsor of truth and 19  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day March 21, 1995 sentencing legislation in the State of Illinois."

"Mr. Clerk. Mr. Clerk, have the Motions been filed? The request...this Bill is going to be held on second because the respective notes have not yet been filed. Mr. Clerk, House Bill 2453."

"House Bill 2453, a Bill for an Act amending the Unified Code of Corrections. Second Reading of this House Bill. Committee Amendment #1 has been referred to rules. Committee Amendment #2 has been referred to subcommittee. Floor Amendments 3 and 4 were referred to rules. The fiscal note, the correctional budget and impact note and the state mandates note that were requested on the Bill have been filed."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2454, Representative...read the Bill please, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 2454, a Bill for an Act amending the Illinois Vehicle Code. Second Reading of this House Bill. Committee Amendment #1 was referred to rules. Committee Amendment #2 has been referred to subcommittee. Floor Amendments 3 and 4 have been referred to rules. A fiscal note and a correctional budget and impact note have been requested on the Bill."

"Have those notes been filed? The Bill will remain on Second Reading. House Bill 2455, Representative Spangler. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 2455, a Bill for an Act amending the Housing Authorities Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. Committee Amendment #1 was referred to rules. Committee Amendment #2 has been referred to subcommittee. Floor Amendment 3 and 4 have been referred to rules. A fiscal note, a state mandates note and a correctional budget and impact note have been requested on the Bill and 20  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day have not been filed." March 21, 1995

"The Bill will remain on Second Reading. House Bill 2456, Representative O'Connor. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 2456, a Bill for an Act amending the Abandoned Housing Rehabilitation Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. Committee Amendment #1 was referred to rules. Committee Amendment #2 has been referred to subcommittee. Floor Amendments 3 and 4 have been referred to rules. A fiscal note and a judicial note have been requested on the Bill."

"Have they been filed, Mr. Clerk?"

"The notes have not been filed."

"Hold the Bill on Second Reading, please. House Bill 2457, Representative Roskam. Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 2457, a Bill for an Act amending the Citizens Utility Board Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2463, Representative Zickus. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 2463, a Bill for an Act amending the Liquor Control Act of 1934. Second Reading of this House Bill. Committee Amendment #1 was adopted in committee. No further Amendments. A fiscal note that was requested on the Bill has been filed."

"Third Reading. Mr. Clerk."

"Committee Amendment #1 that was adopted to the Bill has not been printed and distributed."

"Then the Bill will stay on Second Reading. House Bill 2465. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 2465, a Bill for an Act amending the Illinois Public Aid Code. Second Reading of this House 21  35th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE March 21, 1995 Bill. The fiscal note that was requested on the Bill has been filed."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2467. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 2467, a Bill for an Act amending the Housing Authorities Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendment. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2468. Please read that Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 2468, a Bill for an Act amending the Housing Authorities Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2469. Out of the record. House Bill 2470. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 2470, this Bill has been read a second time previously and the fiscal note that was requested on the Bill has been filed."

"Third Reading. We're going to return back to the beginning of House Bills on Second Reading. On page, what page of the Calendar here? Page 2 of the Calendar. We will start with House Bill 3. Out of the record. House Bill 5, Representative Phelps Bill. Mr. Clerk, please read House Bill 5. Representative Phelps, do you want this Bill called? Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 25, a Bill for an Act amending the Illinois Public Aid Code. Second Reading of this House Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee. No Motion are filed. No further Floor Amendments. Amendment #1 which was adopted to the Bill has not been printed."

"Did you indicated it has not been? The Bill 22  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day March 21, 1995 will remain on Second Reading. House Bill 16. Out of the record. House Bill 23. Mr. Clerk, please read House Bill 23."

"House Bill 23, a Bill for an Act amending the Illinois Public Aid Code. Second Reading of this House Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee. No Motions have been filed. No further Floor Amendments. The fiscal notes and the correctional budget and impact note have been filed on the Bill. Amendment #1 which was adopted in committee has not been printed."

"Hold the Bill on Second Reading. House Bill 25, Representative Deering do you want this moved? Mr. Clerk, please read House Bill 25."

"House Bill 25, a Bill for an Act amending the Property Tax Code. Second Reading of this House Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee. No Motions have been filed. No further Floor Amendments. The Amendment has not been printed and distributed."

"Hold it on Second Reading. House Bill 36. Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 36, a Bill for an Act amending the Juvenile Court Act of 1987. Second Reading of this House Bill. Committee Amendment #1 has been referred to rules. Committee Amendment #2 has been referred to subcommittee. Committee #3 has been withdrawn. Committee Amendment #4 was adopted and has not been distributed. Floor Amendment #5 has been referred to rules."

"We will hold it on second. House Bill 40. Out of the record. House Bill 41, Representative Ackerman. Read House Bill 41 please, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 41, a Bill for an Act amending the 23  35th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE March 21, 1995 Public Utilities Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. Committee Amendment #1 failed in committee. No further Floor Amendments. No Motions are filed, a fiscal note, the fiscal note and the state mandates note that have been requested on the Bill have been filed."

"Third Reading. House Bill 84, Representative Parke. House Bill 84, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 84, a Bill for an Act amending the Illinois Educational Labor Relations Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendment. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 85. Read House Bill 85, please Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 85, a Bill for an Act amending the Illinois Public Labor Relations Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 88. Mr. Clerk, please read House Bill 88."

"House Bill 88, a Bill for an Act amending the Unemployment Insurance Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 89."

"House Bill 89, a Bill for an Act amending the Unemployment Insurance Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 90. Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 90, a Bill for an Act amending the Airport Authority Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. Committee Amendment #1 was adopted in committee. No Motions are filed. A fiscal note and a state mandates note as amended have been requested on the Bill and have not 24  35th Legislative Day been filed." STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE March 21, 1995

"Hold the Bill on Second Reading. House Bill 91, Representative Black. House Bill 91. Mr. Clerk, please read House Bill 91."

"House Bill 91, a Bill for an Act amending the Animal Control Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. Amendment #1 has been adopted to the Bill. No Motions are filed. No further Floor Amendments. A fiscal note as amended has been requested on the Bill. The Amendment has been printed."

"Third Reading. House Bill 114, Representative Cross. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 114, a Bill for an Act in relation to criminal law. Second Reading of this House Bill. Committee Amendment #1 was referred rules. Committee Amendment #2 has been referred to subcommittee. Committee Amendment #3 was withdrawn. No further Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading."

"A fiscal note and a correctional budget and impact note has been requested on the Bill."

"Mr. Clerk, did you indicate that the notes have not yet been filed?"

"The notes have not been filed."

"Then the Chair misspoke and House Bill 114 will remain on Second Reading. House Bill 124. Out of the record. House Bill 126, Representative Meyer. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 126, a Bill for an Act in relation to compensation for certain veterans who have been held prisoner by hostile forces. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 135. Out of the 25  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day record. March 21, 1995 House Bill 144, Representative Phelps. Mr. Clerk, please read House Bill 144." Clerk Rossi: care. "House Bill 144, a Bill for an Act concerning health Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 149, Representative Black. Mr. Clerk, please read House Bill 149."

"House Bill 149, a Bill for an Act in relation to emergency telephone systems. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments. The state mandates note and the fiscal note that were requested on the Bill have been filed." Speaker Leitch: please read House Bill 159." "Third Reading. House Bill 159. Mr. Clerk,

"House Bill 159, a Bill for an Act to create helping schools license plates. Second Reading of this House Bill. Committee Amendments 1, 2, and 3 have been adopted to the Bill. No Motions are filed. Floor Amendment #4 has been referred to rules. The fiscal note has been filed as amended. The Committee Amendments have not been printed on the Bill."

"Second Reading. Mr. Clerk, what's the status on House Bill 126?"

"House Bill 126 has been read a second time previously and it's been moved the Order of Third Reading." Clerk Rossi: to

"Representative it is on Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, please read House Bill 160. Representative Turner." "House Bill 160, a Bill for an Act amending the Code of Criminal Procedure of 1963. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments. A fiscal note and a correctional budget and impact note 26  35th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE March 21, 1995 have been requested on the Bill."

"They have not been filed? Hold the Bill on Second Reading. House Bill 162. Please read House Bill 162, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 162, a Bill for an Act amending the Criminal Code of 1961. Second Reading of this House Bill. Committee Amendments 1 and 2 have been referred to rules. Committee Amendment #3 was withdrawn. Floor Amendments 4 and 5 have been referred to rules. A fiscal note and a judicial note and a correctional budget and impact note have been requested on the Bill and have not been filed."

"Hold the Bill on Second Reading, Mr. Clerk. House Bill 178, Representative Hoeft. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 178, a Bill for an Act amending the School Code. Second Reading of this House Bill. Committee Amendments 1, 2, and 3 have been referred to subcommittee. Committee Amendment #4 was adopted to the Bill. Floor Amendments 5, 6, and 7 have been referred to rules. No Motions are filed. The Amendment has not been distributed."

"Hold the Bill on Second Reading. House Bill 185, Representative Black. Out of the record. House Bill 193, Representative Zickus. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 193 has been read a second time previously. The fiscal note that was requested on the Bill has been filed."

"Third Reading. House Bill 194. Out of the record. House Bill 199, Representative Zickus. Mr. Clerk, please read House Bill 199."

"House Bill 199 has been read a second time 27  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day previously. the Bill." A March 21, 1995 state mandates note has been requested on

"Hold the Bill on Second Reading. House Bill 222, Representative Balthis. Out of the record. House Bill 224. Out of the record. House Bill 226. Out of the record. House Bill 236. Out of the record. House Bill 238. Out of the record. House Bill 239, Representative Kubik. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 239, a Bill for an Act in relation to the manner of selection and membership of the Board of Appeals. Second Reading of this House Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee. No Motions have been filed. No further Floor Amendment."

"Has that Amendment been distributed?"

"The Amendment has been distributed."

"Third Reading. House Bill 241, Representative Pedersen. Mr. Clerk, please read House Bill 241."

"House Bill 241, a Bill for an Act concerning the scientific evaluation of job training programs for disadvantage persons. Second Reading of this House Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee. No Motions have been filed. No further Floor Amendments. The Amendment has been distributed."

"Third Reading. House Bill 249. Out of the record. House Bill 252, Representative Biggins. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill. I took that Bill out of the record. Did the Sponsor wish that to be called. The Chair had been informed that you wanted to hold that Bill. We're going to finish this Bill and then we'll go back to House Bill 249."

"House Bill 252, a Bill for an Act concerning state provided housing and state employees. Second Reading of 28  35th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE March 21, 1995 this House Bill. Committee Amendment #1 has been referred to committee. Committee Amendment #2 has been adopted to the Bill. A fiscal note has been requested on the Bill."

"Has that been submitted? Hold House Bill 259...or 252, I'm sorry, on Second Reading. We'll return to House Bill 249, Representative Kaszak, do you wish the Bill called? Mr. Clerk, please read House Bill 249."

"House Bill 249, a Bill for an Act amending the Civil Administrative Code of Illinois. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 256. Out of the record. House Bill 257. Out of the record. House Bill 262. Out of the record. House Bill 285. Out of the record. House Bill 300, Representative Giles. Mr. Clerk, please read House Bill 300."

"House Bill 300, a Bill for an Act amending the Illinois Controlled Substances Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Representative Novak for what purpose do you rise."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, a point of inquiry. I noticed that you skipped House Bill 285, which is mine. Did you fail to move it to Third Reading. I was wishing it would be."

"Does the Gentleman wish to consider House Bill 285?"

"Yes, since you're in the Order of Business on moving Bills from second to third. House Bill 285, I wish it to be moved to Third Reading, please."

"Representative Novak, the Amendments not yet been distributed on your Bill. As soon as that Amendment 29  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day March 21, 1995 is distributed we'll consider it. Representative Novak."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker. My recollection it was a Committee Amendment adopted, there hasn't been any Floor Amendments, we can't adopt Floor Amendments anymore."

"Representative the Committee Amendment has not yet been distributed. Mr. Clerk, please read House Bill 301, Representative Cross."

"House Bill 301, a Bill for an Act amending the Unified Code of Corrections. Second Reading of this House Bill. Committee Amendment #1 was...Committee Amendments 1 and 2 have been referred to subcommittee. Committee Amendment 3, 4, and 5 have been withdrawn. A fiscal note and a correctional budget and impact note have been requested on the Bill."

"Have those notes been filed?"

"Those notes have not been filed."

"Hold House Bill 301 on Second Reading. Mr. Clerk, would you please tell us what the status of House Bill 301 is?"

"House Bill 301 was held on the Order of Second Reading for a fiscal note."

"Thank you. Mr. Clerk, House Bill 313. Out of the record. House Bill 314. Mr. Clerk, please read House Bill 314."

"House Bill 314 has been read a second time previously. All notes that have been requested on the Bill have been filed."

"Third Reading. House Bill 315, Representative Feigenholtz. Mr. Clerk, 315."

"House Bill 315, a Bill for an Act amending the Whistle Blowing Reward and Protection Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor 30  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE March 21, 1995 35th Legislative Day Amendments."

"Third Reading. For what purpose does the Gentleman from St. Clair, Representative Hoffman rise?"

"Yes, Mr. Speaker. I apologize, we were a little slow at the switch. House Bill 314, you make reference to Committee Amendment 4. I was just wondering if that had been printed and distributed? House Bill 314."

"The Amendment has been distributed."

"The Clerk informs me that it has been printed and distributed. House Bill 320, Representative Erwin. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 320, a Bill for an Act in relation to a child care development council. Second Reading of this House Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee. No Motions have been filed. No further Floor Amendments. A state debt impact note has been filed on the Bill."

"Has the note been filed? Third Reading. Representative Brady on House Bill 323. Mr. Clerk, please read House Bill 323."

"House Bill 323, a Bill for an Act amending the Illinois Pension Code. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments. A pension impact note has been filed on the Bill."

"Third Reading. House Bill 330, Representative Erwin. Representative do you wish House Bill 330 moved to Third Reading? Representative Erwin, House Bill 330. Mr. Clerk, please read House Bill 330."

"House Bill 330, a Bill for an Act amending the Higher Education Students Assistance Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 353. Out of the 31  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day March 21, 1995 record. House Bill 359. Out of the record. House Bill 360, Representative Persico. Do you wish this Bill moved? Mr. Clerk, please read House Bill 360."

"House Bill 360, a Bill for an Act amending the Environmental Protection Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 367. Out of the record. House Bill 374. Mr. Clerk, please read House Bill 374."

"House Bill 374, a Bill for an Act amending the Property Tax Code. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 377, Representative Deuchler. Mr. Clerk, please read House Bill 377."

"House Bill 377, a Bill for an Act amending the Illinois Banking Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee. No Motions have been filed. The fiscal note that was requested on the Bill has not been filed."

"Hold the Bill on Second Reading. House Bill 380, Representative Wait. Mr. Clerk, please read House Bill 380."

"House Bill 380, a Bill for an Act amending the Illinois Vehicle Code. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 385, Representative Brady on House Bill 385, do you wish this Bill moved? Mr. Clerk, please read House Bill 385."

"House Bill 385, a Bill for an Act amending the State Revenue Sharing Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments. A fiscal note has been requested on the Bill." 32  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE March 21, 1995 35th Legislative Day

"Has it been filed?"

"The note has not been filed."

"Hold it Second Reading. House Bill 398. Out of the record. House Bill 410, Representative Meyer, do you wish House Bill 410 called? Mr. Clerk, please read House Bill 410."

"House Bill 410, a Bill for an Act relating to student records. Second Reading of this House Bill. Committee Amendments 1 and 2, have been referred subcommittee. Amendment #3 was adopted in committee. Floor Amendments 4, 5, and 6 have been referred to rules. No further Floor Amendments. No Motions filed. A fiscal note and a state mandates note have been requested on the Bill and have not been filed."

"Hold the Bill on Second Reading. House Bill 411, Representative Noland. Out of the record. House Bill 412. Out of the record. House Bill 419, Representative Andrea Moore. Mr. Clerk, please call House Bill 419."

"House Bill 419, a Bill for an Act amending the Illinois Purchasing Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 420, Representative Moore, do you wish House Bill 420 called? Mr. Clerk, please read House Bill 420."

"House Bill 420, a Bill for an Act amending the Bureau of the Budget Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 422. Mr. Clerk, please read House Bill 422."

"House Bill 422, a Bill for an Act amending the Civil Administrative Code of Illinois. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor 33  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE March 21, 1995 35th Legislative Day Amendments." "Third Reading. House Bill 423. Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 423, a Bill for an Act amending the Veterans Preference Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."

"Out of the record, we'll hold that on second. Representative Meyer on House Bill 424. Out of the record. Representative Maureen Murphy on House Bill 427. Do you wish that Bill considered, Representative Murphy? Out of the record. House Bill 428, Representative Murphy. Out of the record. House Bill 430, Representative Murphy. House Bill 431. Out of the record. House Bill 434, Representative Kubik. Representative Kubik. Mr. Clerk, please read House Bill 434,"

"House Bill 434, a Bill for an amending the Property Tax Code. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 435, Representative Murphy, Maureen Murphy. Mr. Clerk, please read House Bill 435."

"House Bill 435, a Bill for an Act amending the Property Tax Code. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments." House Bill 436, Representative the record.

"Third Reading. Maureen Murphy. Out of House 438, Representative Hughes, Ann Hughes. Out of the record. House Bill 439, Representative Maureen Murphy. Out of the record. House Bill 433, Representative Wirsing, David Wirsing. Representative Wirsing, do you wish this moved to third? Mr. Clerk, please call Representative... House Bill 443."

"House Bill 443, a Bill for an Act amending the 34  35th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE March 21, 1995 Board of Higher Education Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 446, Representative Rutherford. Mr. Clerk, please read House Bill 446."

"House Bill 446, a Bill for an Act in relation to limiting property tax assessment increases. Second Reading of this House Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee. No Motions are filed. No further Floor Amendments. A state mandates note and a fiscal note have been requested on the Bill. The state mandates note has been filed."

"Has the fiscal note been filed? The Chair is informed that those notes have not been filed, Representative. So, we'll hold that Bill on Second Reading. Representative Hoffman, for what purpose do you rise? On House Bill 448. Out of the record. House Bill 456, Representative Giles. Do you wish this Bill to be considered, Representative Giles? Mr. Clerk, please call House Bill 456."

"House Bill 456, a Bill for an Act in relating to tuition rates in certain public institutions of higher education. Second Reading of this House Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee. No Motions have been filed. No further Floor Amendments."

"Has that been distributed, Mr. Clerk?"

"The Amendment has been distributed."

"Third Reading. House Bill 460, Representative Hoffman. Mr. Clerk, please read House Bill 460."

"House Bill 460, a Bill for an Act in relation to delinquent minors. Second Reading of this House Bill. Committee Amendment #1 has been referred to rules. No further Floor Amendments." 35  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day March 21, 1995

"Third Reading. House Bill 430, Representative Frias. Mr. Clerk, House Bill 473."

"House Bill 473, a Bill for an Act to create the Public Education Affinity Credit Card Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee. No Motion are filed. No further Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 495, Representative Hughes. Mr. Clerk, please call the Bill."

"House Bill 495, a Bill for an Act amending the Township Code. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 496, Representative Hughes. Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 496, a Bill for an Act amending the Counties Code. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 497, 497, Representative Biggert. Representative Biggert. Mr. Clerk, please read House Bill 497."

"House Bill 497, a Bill for an Act amending the Counties Code. Second Reading of this House Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee. Committee Amendments 2, and 3 have been referred to rules. No Motions are filed. A fiscal note and a corrections budget impact note have been requested on the Bill and have not been filed."

"Hold the Bill on Second Reading. House Bill 498, Representative Hughes. Mr. Clerk, please read House Bill 498."

"House Bill 498, a Bill for an Act amending the Township Code. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments." 36  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day

"Third Reading. House record. House Bill 521. Out of the record. 525. Out of the record. House Bill 532. Out of the record. House Bill 539, Representative Bill 508. Out of the House Bill Persico. Representative Persico, do you wish to move this Bill? Yes. Mr. Clerk, please call House Bill 539."

"House Bill 539, a Bill for an Act amending the Illinois Vehicle Code. Second Reading of this House Bill. Amendments 1, and 2 were adopted in committee. No Motions have been filed. The fiscal note and the corrections budget and impact note have been filed on the Bill."

"Third Reading. Representative Hoffman for what purpose do you rise?"

"Yes, just to insure that the...or a question of the Chair whether the Amendments have been printed and distributed?"

"The Chair is informed that they have been printed and distributed. Mr. Clerk, would you please give the status of House Bill 447 again, Representative Rutherford's Bill."

"House Bill 447... House Bill 447 is on the Order of Second Reading."

"Would you read the Bill."

"House Bill 447, a Bill for an Act amending the Illinois Promotion Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. Committee Amendments 1, and 3 have adopted to the Bill. Committee Amendment #2 has been withdrawn. A corrections budget and impact note have been requested on the Bill and have not been filed."

"The Bill will remain on Second Reading. What is the status of House Bill 448, Mr. Clerk?"

"House Bill 448 is on Calendar, Order of Second 37  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day Reading."

"Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill." March 21, 1995

"House Bill 448, a Bill for an Act amending the Election Code. Second Reading of this House Bill. Amendments 1, 2, and 6 were adopted in committee. No Motions are filed. Committee Amendments 3, 4, and 5 have been withdrawn. Floor Amendments 7 and 8 have been referred to rules. A state mandates notes has been requested on the Bill."

"Has not yet been filed?"

"That note has not been filed."

"Hold the Bill on Second Reading. On the Order Second Reading appears House Bill 539. Representative Persico do you wish House...we already moved that one. Okay. House Bill 546. Representative Cowlishaw, do you wish to move House Bill 546? Mr. Clerk, please read House Bill 546."

"House Bill 546, a Bill for an Act amending the School Code. Second Reading of this House Bill. Floor Amendments 1, 2, and 3 have been referred to rules. No further Floor Amendments. The fiscal note that was requested on the Bill and the state mandates note that were requested on the Bill have been filed."

"Third Reading. House Bill 547. Out of the record. House Bill 548. Out of the record. House Bill 549. Out of the record. House Bill 553, Representative Andrea Moore. Please call the Bill."

"House Bill 553, a Bill for an Act amending the Counties Code. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. Committee Amendment #1 has been tabled. No Floor Amendments. A fiscal note and a state mandates note have been requested on the Bill and have not 38  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE March 21, 1995 35th Legislative Day been filed."

"The Bill will remain on Second Reading. House Bill 554 Representative Salvi. Representative Salvi. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 554 a Bill for an Act concerning private correctional...correctional facilities Second Reading of this House Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee. No Motions have been filed. No Floor Amendments. A fiscal note and a corrections budget and impact note had been requested on the Bill and had not been filed."

"Hold the Bill on Second Reading. House Bill 565. Representative Wennlund. Out of the record. House Bill 568, Representative Wennlund, 568. Out of the record. House Bill 578. Out of the record. House Bill 579, Representative Skinner. Mr. Clerk, please read House Bill 579."

"House Bill 579 has been read a second time previously. The fiscal note and the corrections budget and impact note that were requested on the Bill have been filed."

"Third Reading. House Bill 583, Representative Wojcik. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 583, this Bill has been read a second time previously. A fiscal note has been requested on the Bill and has not been filed."

"Representative Wojcik."

"Mr. Chairman and Members of the House. I rule that the fiscal note is inapplicable."

"The Ladies move that the fiscal note on House Bill 583 is inapplicable. All in favor shall say 'aye'; opposed the same, in the opinion of the Chair the 'ayes' have it and the note is ruled inapplicable. Third Reading. 39  35th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE March 21, 1995 House Bill 597. Out of the record. House Bill 603 Representative Black, is Representative Black on the floor? Mr. Clerk, please read House Bill 603."

"House Bill 603, Bills been read a second time previously. A fiscal note as amended has been requested on the Bill."

"Has that note been filed?"

"That note has not been filed."

"Hold the Bill on Second Reading. Representative Black on House Bill 604. Does the Gentleman wish to move the Bill? Mr. Clerk House Bill 604."

"House Bill 604, a Bill for an Act concerning Trauma Center funds. Second Reading of this House Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee. Committee Amendments 2 and 3 have referred to rules. Floor Amendments 4 and 5 have also been referred to rules. The fiscal note that was requested on the Bill... the fiscal note that was requested on the Bill has been filed."

"Third Reading. House Bill 614, Representative Hartke. Does the Gentleman wish to have the Bill considered? Mr. Clerk, please read House Bill 614."

"House Bill 614, a Bill for an Act in relation to use in Occupation taxes. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 629. Representative McGuire do you wish to move House Bill 629? Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 629, a Bill for an Act in relation to State Agency Reports. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 630. Out of the record. House Bill 633. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill." 40  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day

"House Bill 633, a Bill for an March 21, 1995 Act amending the Hearing Aide Consumer protection Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee. No Motions have been filed. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 634, Representative Saviano. Out of the record. House Bill 635. Out of the record. House Bill 637 Representative Wirsing. Out of the record. House Bill 639, read the Bill."

"House Bill 639, a Bill for an Act amending the Public Utilities Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 640. Out of the record. House Bill 651. Out of the record. House Bill 661 Representative Balthis. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 661, a Bill for an Act amending the State Mandates Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee. No Motions have been filed. No Floor Amendments. A fiscal note as amended has been requested on the Bill."

"Has the fiscal note been filed?"

"The fiscal note has not been filed."

"Representative Balthis."

"Mr. Speaker, I move that the fiscal note is inapplicable on this Bill there is no state cost."

"The Gentleman has moved that the fiscal note is inapplicable. Representative Hoffman, for what purpose do you rise?"

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, I believe that...I believe that it may have been a mandates note that could have possibly been filed on this Bill."

"Mr. Clerk." 41  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day

"A fiscal note request has been made."

March 21, 1995 "The Clerk informs me that the note is for a fiscal note. Representative Granberg, for what purpose do you rise?" Granberg: I "Thank you, Mr. Speaker. To the Sponsor of the Motion would assume that this...since it imposes more responsibilities on the Department of Commerce Community Affairs the fiscal note would be applicable. I would ask the Sponsor what rationality he has for moving the Fiscal Note Act inapplicable."

"Mr. Clerk, please take House Bill 661, out of the record. House Bill 667, Representative Cross. Representative Tom Cross. Representative Tom Cross. Out of the record. House Bill 668, Representative Santiago. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 668, a Bill for an Act that amends the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Committee Amendments #1 and 2 were referred to subcommittee. No Motions filed. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 674, Representative Frias. Representative... Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 674, a Bill for an Act that amends the Unified Code of Corrections. Second Reading of this House Bill. Committee Amendment #1 was referred to rules. Committee Amendment #2 was referred to subcommittee. Committee Amendment #3 was withdrawn. Floor Amendments #4 and 5 have been referred to rules."

"Any notes requested on this Bill, Mr. Clerk?"

"No. No notes requested."

"Third Reading. House Bill 679. Out of the record. House Bill 682, Representative Hassert. Representative Hassert. Out of the record. House Bill 686 42  35th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE March 21, 1995 Representative Moore. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 686, a Bill for an Act in relation to Criminal Law. Second Reading of this House Bill. Committee Amendment #1 was referred to rules. Committee Amendment #2 was referred to subcommittee. Committee Amendment #3 was withdrawn. Committee Amendment #4 was adopted. Floor Amendments #5 and 6 have been sent to rules."

"Third Reading. House Bill 727 Representative Phelps do you wish to consider House Bill 727. Representative Phelps. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 727, a Bill for an Act in relation to income taxation. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. Floor Amendment #1 has been referred to rules. No notes requested."

"Third Reading. House Bill 731 Representative Bugielski. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 730, a Bill for an Act that amends..."

"House Bill 731,"

"House Bill 731, a Bill for an Act that amends the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Committee Amendments 1 and 2 were referred to subcommittee. No Motions filed. No Floor Amendments. No note requested."

"Third Reading. House Bill 730 I think I skipped that one. Representative Murray do you wish to have House Bill 730 considered? Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 730, a Bill for an Act that amends the Public Utilities Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. Floor Amendment #1 has been referred to rules. A fiscal note has been requested on the Bill and has not been filed." 43  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day

March 21, 1995 "Representative do you mind if we take this Bill out of the record. The Bill will be... House Bill 730 will be taken out of the record and held on Second. Mr. Clerk, would you please tell us what the status of the fiscal notes are on House Bill 446...is on House Bill 446."

"House Bill 446 has been read a second time previously. A state mandates note and a fiscal note has been filed on the Bill."

"Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, would you please tell us the status of House Bill 603."

"House Bill 603 has been read a second time previously. A fiscal note has been requested on the Bill as amended and has not yet been filed."

"Did you indicate been filed on House Bill 603?" Clerk McLennand: that the notes have not yet "Yes, Sir. Note has not yet been filed...has not been filed. A fiscal note for the Bill as amended has been filed."

"On House Bill 603?"

"Yes, Mr. Speaker."

"Are there any other notes outstanding?"

"No other notes pending."

"Third Reading. House Bill 741 Representative Biggert do you wish to move House Bill 741? Representative Biggert. Is the Lady in the chamber? Out of the record. House Bill 742, Representative Kubik do you wish to move the Bill to the Third? Out of the record. House Bill 746. Out of the record. House Bill 748. Saviano. Is Representative Saviano in the chamber. Clerk, please call House Bill 748." Representative

Mr. Clerk McLennand: "House Bill 748, a Bill for an Act that amends the Barber, Cosmetology, Esthetics and Nail Technology Act 44  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE March 21, 1995 35th Legislative Day 1985. Second Reading of this House Bill. Committee Amendment #1 was adopted. No Motions filed. No Floor Amendments. A fiscal note has been filed on the Bill as amended."

"Did you indicate the fiscal note has been filed?"

"Yes."

"Third Reading. House Bill 753. Out of the record. House Bill 763 Representative Hartke. Do you wish the Bill considered. Mr. Clerk, please call House Bill 763."

"House Bill 763, a Bill for an Act that amends the Water Authorities Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments. A state mandates note and fiscal note have been filed on the Bill."

"Third Reading. House Bill 773, Representative Wennlund on House Bill 773. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 773, a Bill for an Act to create the Tattoo Artist and Parlor License Act. This Bill has been read a second time previously. Committee Amendment #1 has been adopted. A fiscal note has been filed on the Bill as amended. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 774, Representative Cross, Tom Cross. We'll hold that Bill. House Bill 779, Representative Hannig. Is the Gentleman in the chamber? Representative Hannig. Representative Hannig, do you wish your Bill considered? Representative Hannig. Out of the record. House Bill 781. Out of the record. House Bill 785. Out of the record. House Bill 791, Representative Persico. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill." 45  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day

March 21, 1995 "House Bill 791, a Bill for an Act that amends the Environmental Protection Act. Second Reading of this House Bill."

"I'm sorry the Chair can't hear you, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 791, a Bill for an Act that amends the Environmental protection Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 797, Representative Cowlishaw. Is the Lady in the chamber? Representative Cowlishaw. Out of the record. House Bill 798, Representative Cowlishaw. Out of the record. House Bill 811, Representative Wennlund on House Bill 811. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 811, a Bill for an Act that amends the Illinois Vehicle Code. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."

"Mr. Clerk, would you please repeat that."

"House Bill 811, a Bill for an Act that amends the Illinois Vehicle Code. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, please indicate the status of House Bill 781."

"House Bill 781, a Bill for an Act that amends the Residential Mortgage Licensing Act of 1987. Second Reading of this House Bill. Amendment...Committee Amendment #1 was adopted. No Motions have been filed. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 815. Out of the record. House Bill 825, Representative Boland do you wish to... House Bill 825 called? Representative Boland do you wish the Bill moved to Third? Mr. Clerk, please call 46  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day March 21, 1995 Representative Boland's Bill, House Bill 825."

"House Bill 825, a Bill for an Act concerning the fixing of compensation of officers of local government. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, what is the status of House Bill 785?"

"House Bill 785, a Bill for an Act concerning insurance. Second Reading of this House Bill. Committee Amendment #1 was adopted. Committee Amendment #2 was tabled. Floor Amendment #3 has been referred to rules. A fiscal note has been filed on the Bill as amended."

"Has it been received?"

"It has been filed."

"Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, would you give us the status of House Bill 554, please."

"House Bill 554. The Bill has been read a second time prior today. Committee Amendment #1 was adopted. A state mandates note has been filed. And a Corrections and a fiscal note have also been filed."

"Third Reading. Let's see...House Bill 827. Out of the record. House Bill 838, Representative Parke. Representative Parke do you wish House Bill 838 moved...Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 838, a Bill for an Act that amends the Workers Compensation Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Committee Amendment #...No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments. No note requests."

"Third Reading. House Bill 847. Out of the record. House Bill 849. Out of the record. House Bill 851. Out of the record. House Bill 858. Out of the record. House Bill 859 Representative Scott do you wish 47  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day March 21, 1995 this...Mr. Clerk, please read House Bill 859."

"House Bill 859, a Bill for an Act that amends the Illinois municipal Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee. No Motions filed. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 863. Out of the record. House Bill 864, Representative Mautino you want to hold that for a minute. Mr...let's see. House Bill 865, Representative Tom Johnson. Mr. Clerk, please read House Bill 865."

"House Bill 865, a Bill for an Act that amends the Code of Criminal procedure of 1963. Second Reading of this Bill. Committee Amendment #1 was referred to rules. Committee Amendment #2 was referred to subcommittee. A fiscal note, correctional budget and impact note, and a judicial note have been requested on the Bill and have not been filed."

"Hold the Bill on Second Reading. House Bill 868, Representative Lindner. Mr. Clerk, please call the Bill."

"House..."

"Read the Bill."

"House Bill 868, a Bill for an Act that amends the Department of Children and Family Service Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments. A fiscal note has been filed on the Bill."

"Has the note been received?"

"The note has been filed."

"Third Reading. House Bill 879. Out of the record. House Bill 864. Mr. Clerk, would you please tell us the status of House Bill 864." 48  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day

March 21, 1995 "House Bill 864 Has been read a second time previously. Committee Amendment #1 was adopted. The fiscal note request on 864 has been withdrawn."

"Third Reading. House Bill 884, Representative Balthis. Mr. Clerk, please read House Bill 884."

"House Bill 884, a Bill for an Act in relation to municipalities. Second Reading of this Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."

"Are there any notes? Third Reading. House Bill 886, Representative Balthis. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 886, a Bill for an Act in relation to municipalities. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."

"For what purpose does the Gentleman from Effingham, Representative Hartke rise."

"Well, Mr. Speaker, I'm sitting here trying to follow. And it seems like you jumped across 879 it was up there momentarily or did I fall asleep and miss something?"

"We'll get to that after we complete the Bill that's on the board. Third Reading. We'll get back to you in a minute on that Bill. House Bill 887, Representative Hughes. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 887, a Bill for an Act in relation to Forest Preserves. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 891. Out of the record. House Bill 892. Out of the record. House Bill 897, Representative Moffitt, do you wish that Bill moved Representative Moffitt? Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 897, a Bill for an Act concerning pecuniary interest of township and highway officials. This 49  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day Bill has been read a second time previously. Amendments. No Floor Amendments." March 21, 1995

No Committee Speaker Leitch: "Third Reading. House Bill 913, Representative McAuliffe. Representative McAuliffe, do you want this Bill out of the record. House Bill 928. Mr. Clerk, please go back to House Bill 913 and read House Bill 913."

"House Bill 913, a Bill for an Act that amends the State Police Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. Committee Amendment #1 was referred to subcommittee. Motions filed. No Floor Amendments."

No Speaker Leitch: "Third Reading. House Bill 928, Representative Rutherford. Is Representative Rutherford in the chamber, nearby in the chamber. Mr. Clerk, please read House Bill 928."

"House Bill 928, a Bill for an Act in relation to campaign contributions and expenditures. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Representative Hughes on House Bill 929. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 929 has been read a second time previously. No Committee Amendments."

Amendments. No Floor Speaker Leitch: "Third Reading. Representative Churchill on House Bill 931. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 931, a Bill for an Act that amends the Property Tax Code. Second Reading of this House Bill. Committee Amendment #1 was adopted. A fiscal note and a state mandates note have been requested on the Bill and they have not been filed."

"Hold the Bill on Second Reading. Are you sure they have not been filed?" 50  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day

"They have not been filed." March 21, 1995

"Hold the Bill on Second Reading. House Bill 934, Representative Hanrahan. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 934, a Bill for an Act that amends the County Code. Second Reading of this House Bill. Committee Amendment #1 was adopted. No Motions filed. No

Floor Amendments. Speaker Leitch: "Third Reading. For what purpose does the Gentleman from Williamson rise? Mr...Representative Woolard."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'm reasonably sure the kind and compassionate individual you are and the kind of leader I would expect you to be, I know it was an oversight on your part, but we skipped right over 907 a while ago and I was just inquiring of the Chair as to what your intent is as to when we'll proceed back to that order."

"Right now. Your correct the Chair did skip over that inadvertently. Right as soon as we are done with this we'll go right back to that. Thank you, for pointing that out to the Chair. Okay. Mr. Clerk, what is the status of House Bill 907."

"House Bill 907, a Bill for an Act that amends sustainable Agriculture Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. Committee Amendment #1 was adopted. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, please read House Bill 937."

"House Bill 937, a Bill for an Act concerning Affordable Housing. Second Reading of this Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 943, Representative 51  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day Stevens. March 21, 1995 For what purpose does the Gentleman rise, Representative Hoffman."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker. On 937 I believe that there was a fiscal note requested."

"Mr. Clerk, what is the situation with House Bill 937. Did that have a fiscal note requested?"

"A fiscal note has been requested and has not been filed."

"Then the Bill... House Bill 937 shall remain on Second Reading. House Bill 943, Representative Stevens. Is Representative Stevens in the chamber. Yes, Mr. Clerk, please call House Bill 943."

"House Bill 943, a Bill for an Act that amends the Illinois Income Tax Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. Committee Amendment #1 was referred to subcommittee. No Motions have been filed. A fiscal note has been requested on the Bill and has not been filed."

"We'll hold the Bill on Second Reading. House Bill 944. Out of the record. House Bill 949. Out of the record. House Bill 950, Representative Ryder. Is Representative Ryder in the chamber? Out of the record. House Bill 955, Representative Parke. Out of the record. House Bill 965, Representative Ryder. Out of the record. House Bill 974. Out of the record. House Bill 989. Out of the record. House Bill 995, Representative Cowlishaw the Lady in the chamber? Out of the record. House Bill 996. Out of the record. House Bill 999, Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 999, a Bill for an Act that amends the School Code. Second Reading of this House Bill. Committee Amendment #1 was referred to rules. No Motions. No Floor Amendments." 52  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day

March 21, 1995 "Third Reading. House Bill 1000, please read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 1000, a Bill for an Act that amends the School Code. Second Reading of this House Bill. Committee Amendment #1 was referred to rules. No Floor Amendments. No Motions."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1002. Out of the record. House Bill 1022. Out of the record. House Bill 1025, Representative Cross. Is the Gentleman back in the chamber? Out of the record. House Bill 1044, Representative Saviano. Out of the record. House Bill 1051. Out of the record. House Bill 1059, Representative Winkel. Representative Winkel. Mr. Clerk, please read House Bill 1079...59, I'm sorry."

"House Bill 1059, a Bill for an Act that amends the Environmental Protection Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Committee Amendment #1 was adopted. No Floor Amendments. A fiscal note has been requested on the Bill and has not been filed."

"The Bill will remain on Second Reading. House Bill 1065. Out of the record. House Bill 1069, Representative Lindner. Representative Lindner. Pat. Mr. Clerk, please read House Bill 1069."

"House Bill 1069, a Bill for an Act that amends the Criminal Procedure of 1963. Second Reading of this House Bill. Committee Amendments #1 was referred to rules. Committee Amendment #2 was referred to subcommittee. Committee Amendment #3 was adopted. Floor Amendments #4 and 5 have been referred to rules. A fiscal note and a judicial note have been requested on the Bill and have not been filed."

"The Bill will remain on Second Reading. 53  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day March 21, 1995 Representative Lang for what purpose do you rise? Okay. House Bill 1070, Representative Wennlund. Is Representative Wennlund in the chamber? Representative Wennlund. Representative Wennlund. Mr. Clerk, please read House Bill 1070."

"House Bill 1070, a Bill for an Act that amends the municipal Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Bills been read a second time prior. Committee Amendment #1 was adopted. No Floor Amendments. A state mandates note has been filed on the Bills requested. A judicial note has been requested, but has not been filed."

"The Bill shall remain on Second Reading. House Bill 1086. Out of the record. House Bill 1089. Out of the record. House Bill 1091, Representative O'Connor. Mr. Clerk, please read House Bill 1091."

"House Bill 1091, a Bill for an Act that amends the Public Utilities Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments. A fiscal note has been requested on the Bill and has not been filed."

"The Bill shall remain on Second Reading. House Bill 1105. Out of the record. House Bill 1106, Representative Winkel. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 1106, a Bill for an Act that amends University of Illinois Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1108, Representative Lions. Mr. Clerk, please read House Bill 1108."

"House Bill 1108, a Bill for an Act to amend the Metropolitan Water Reclamation District Act. Second Reading of this Bill. Committee Amendment #1 was adopted. No Floor Amendments. A fiscal note and a state mandates 54  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day March 21, 1995 note have been requested on the Bill and have not been filed."

"The Bill will remain of Second Reading. House Bill 1109, Representative Kubik. Is Representative Kubik in the chamber? Out of the record House Bill 1110, Representative Hughes. Ann Hughes. Mr. Clerk, please read House Bill 1110."

"House Bill 1110, a Bill for an Act that amends the Metropolitan Water Reclamation District Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1116, Representative Cross. Has Representative Cross returned to the floor? Out of the record. House Bill 1119, Representative Biggins. Representative Biggins. Mr. Clerk, please read House Bill 1119."

"House Bill 1119, a Bill for an Act relating to tuition wavers at public Universities. Second Reading of the Bill. Committee Amendment #1 was adopted. No Motions have been filed. No Floor Amendments. A fiscal note has been filed on the Bill."

"Has the note been received...the fiscal note?"

"Yes, it has been received."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1123. Out of the record. House Bill 1124. Out of the record. House Bill 1125, Representative Scott. Mr. Clerk, please read House Bill 1125."

"House Bill 1125, a Bill for an Act that amends the Illinois municipal Code. Bills been read a second time prior. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments. A fiscal note has been requested on the Bill and it has not been filed." 55  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day March 21, 1995

"Hold the Bill on Second Reading. House Bill 1131. Out of the record. House Bill 1133. Out of the record. House Bill 1135. Out of the record. House Bill 1138. Out of the record. The Gentleman from Cook Representative Lang, for what purpose do you rise?"

"Well, thank you, Mr. Speaker. Perhaps you thought I gave some sort of out of the record Motion, but I really do want House Bill 1138 called."

"We'll get back to you in a second. Representative."

"What's to get back you're rolling these Bills in order, Mr. Speaker. The Bills on the board I don't understand why you can't call the Bill? Now we've been very pleasant here today. Both sides of the aisle, perhaps there's a new era of cordiality developing, but if you put a Bill up on the board and you can't even tell me why you won't call it. You take it out of the record without my permission, it's my Bill. Seems to me I have a right to have my Bill called it's only Second Reading, shaft me on Third, but not on Second."

"We would never shaft you Representative Lang. Mr. Clerk, take 1138. Out of the record, please. On the Order of Second Reading is House Bill 1140, Representative Roskam. Mr. Clerk, please read House Bill 1140."

"House Bill 1140, a Bill for an Act that amends the Illinois Public Aide Code. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments. A fiscal note has been requested on the Bill and has not been filed."

"Hold the Bill on Second Reading. House Bill 1144, Representative Wirsing. Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 1144, a Bill for an Act that amends 56  35th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE March 21, 1995 the Public Utilities Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments. A fiscal note has been requested on the Bill and has been filed."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1147, Representative Noland. Representative Noland in the chambers. Out of the record. House Bill... Representative Noland... Mr. Clerk, please read House Bill 1147."

"House Bill 1147, a Bill for an Act that amends the Illinois Pesticide Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. Committee Amendments #1 and 2 were adopted. No Motions filed. No Floor Amendments. A fiscal note has been requested on the Bill and has been filed."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1149. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 1149, a Bill for an Act that amends the Gas Revenue Tax Act. Second Reading of this Bill. Committee Amendments #1 and 2 were adopted. Committee Amendment #3 lost. No Floor Amendments. A fiscal note has been requested on the Bill as amended and has not been filed."

"Would you repeat that, Mr. Clerk?"

"A fiscal note has been requested on the Bill and it has not been filed."

"Hold the Bill on Second Reading. House Bill 1171, Representative Kubik. Is Representative Kubik in the chamber? Out of the record. House Bill 1172, Representative Kubik. Out of the record. House Bill 1173. Out of the record. House Bill 1176, Representative Skinner. Mr. Clerk, please read House Bill 1176."

"House Bill 1176, a Bill for an Act that amends the Counties Code. Second Reading of this House Bill. No 57  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments. March 21, 1995 A fiscal note and a state mandates note has been requested on the Bill. They have not been filed."

"Hold the Bill on Second Reading. House Bill 1198, Representative Biggins. Representative Bob Biggins. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 1198, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Second Reading of this House Bill. Committee Amendment #1 was referred to rules. No Floor Amendments. A fiscal note has been requested on the Bill. Has not been filed."

"Hold House Bill 1198 on Second Reading. Has Representative Kubik returned to the floor? Representative Kubik. House Bill 1200. Out of the record. House Bill 1202, Representative Wait. Representative Ron Wait. Does the Gentleman wish to move this? Mr. Speaker, (sic-Clerk) please read House Bill 1202."

"House Bill 1202, a Bill for an Act that amends the Illinois Vehicle Code. Second Reading of this House Bill. Committee Amendments #1 was adopted. No Floor Amendments. No Motions filed."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1212, Representative Lachner. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 1212, a Bill for an Act to amends the Illinois Income Tax Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. Committee Amendment #1 lost. Floor Amendment #2 referred to rules. A fiscal note has been requested on the Bill and has not been filed."

"Hold the Bill of Second Reading. House Bill 1218, Representative Stephens. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 1218, a Bill for an Act that amends 58  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day March 21, 1995 the Riverboat Gambling Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. Committee Amendment #1 was adopted. Committee Amendment #2 lost. No Motions filed. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1223, Representative Cowlishaw. Representative Cowlishaw. Mr. Clerk, please read House Bill 1223."

"House Bill 1223, a Bill for an Act that amends the School Code. Second Reading of this House Bill. Committee Amendments #1, 2, and 3 were referred to subcommittee. Floor Amendments #4 and 5 have been referred to rules. A fiscal note has been filed on the Bill and a state mandates note has been filed on the Bill."

"They've been received?"

"They've been received."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1229, Representative Roskam, on House Bill 1229. Is Representative Roskam in the chamber? Out of the record. House Bill 1234. Out of the record. House Bill 1235. Out of the record. House Bill 1237, Representative Cross. Mr. Clerk, please read House Bill 1237."

"House Bill 1237, a Bill for an Act that amends the Criminal Code of 1961. Second Reading of this House Bill. Committee Amendment #1 was referred to rules. Committee Amendment #2 was referred to subcommittee. Floor Amendments #3 and 4 have been referred to rules. A fiscal note, correctional budget and impact note have been requested on the Bill and have not been filed.

"Hold the Bill on Second Reading. House Bill 1246, Representative Winkel. Representative Winkel. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 1246, a Bill for an Act that amends 59  35th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE March 21, 1995 the Criminal Code of 1961. Second Reading of this House Bill. Committee Amendments #1 is referred to rules. Committee Amendment #2 is referred to subcommittee. Committee Amendment #3 was adopted. Floor Amendments #4 and 5 have been referred to rules. A fiscal note and a correctional budget and impact note have been requested on the Bill and they have not been filed."

"Hold the Bill on Second Reading. House Bill 1251, Representative Tom Johnson. Representative Johnson. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 1251, a Bill for an Act that amends the Property Tax Code. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments. A fiscal note and a state mandates note have been requested on the Bill and they have been filed."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1260. Out of the record. House Bill 1267, Representative Tenhouse. Mr. Clerk, please read House Bill 1267."

"House Bill 1267, a Bill for an Act that amends the School Code. Second Reading of this House Bill. Committee Amendments #1, 2, and 3 were referred to subcommittee. Floor Amendments #4, 5, and 6 were referred to rules. A fiscal note and a state mandates note have been requested on the Bill and they have been filed."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1268, Representative Mautino. Mr. Clerk, please read House Bill 1268."

"House Bill 1268, a Bill for an Act that amends the Criminal Code of 1961. Second Reading of this House Bill. Committee Amendment #1 is referred to rules. Committee Amendment #2 is referred to subcommittee. Committee Amendment #3 was adopted. Floor Amendments #4 and 5 are referred to rule. Floor Amendments 4 and 5 have 60  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day March 21, 1995 been referred to rule. A fiscal note and a correctional budget and impact note have been requested on the Bill as amended and they have been filed on the Bill."

"I couldn't hear you Mr. Clerk, they have or have not been filed?"

"They have been filed on the Bill."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1270, Representative Mulligan. Representative Mulligan. Is the Lady in the chamber? Out of the record. House Bill 1276, Representative McGuire. Mr. Clerk, please read House Bill 1276."

"House Bill 1276 has been read a second time prior. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments. A fiscal note has been requested on the Bill and has not been filed."

"Hold the Bill on Second Reading. House Bill 1277, Representative Ryder. Representative Ryder, is he on the floor? Mr. Clerk, please read House Bill 1277."

"House Bill 1277, a Bill for an Act that amends the Illinois Health Facilities Authority Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. Committee Amendment #1 was adopted. No Floor Amendments. A fiscal note has been requested on the Bill as amended and has not been filed."

"Hold the Bill on Second Reading. House Bill 1278, Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 1278, a Bill for an Act that amends the Riverboat Gambling Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. Committee Amendment #1 failed. No further Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments. No Motions. No requests."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1279.

"House Bill 1279, a Bill for an Act that amends 61  35th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE March 21, 1995 the Illinois Public Aide Code. Second Reading of this Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments. A fiscal note has been requested on the Bill and it has been filed."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1280."

"House Bill 1280, a Bill for an Act that amends the Illinois Public Aide Code. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments. A fiscal note has been requested on the Bill and it has been filed."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1281."

"House Bill 1281, a Bill for an Act that amends the Riverboat Gambling Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. Committee Amendment #1 failed. No further Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments. No Motions."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1303."

"House Bill 1303, a Bill for an Act that amends the Property Tax Code. Second Reading of this House Bill. Committee Amendments #1 was adopted. No Floor Amendments. A fiscal note has been requested on the Bill and it has not been filed."

"I didn't hear the Clerk."

"Fiscal note has been requested and the fiscal note has not been filed."

"Hold House Bill 1303 on Second Reading. House Bill 1311. Out of the record. House Bill 1312, Representative O'Connor. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 1312, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Second Reading of this House Bill. Committee Amendments #1 and 2 were referred to subcommittee. Floor Amendments #3, 4, and 5 have been referred to rules. No requests...no fiscal note request. No Motions." 62  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day

March 21, 1995 "Third Reading. House Bill 1316. Out of the record. House Bill 1320. Out of the record. House Bill 1322, Representative Ryder. Representative Ryder in the chamber. Representative Ryder. Out of the record. House Bill 1324, Representative Lindner. Out of the record. House Bill 1334. Out of the record. House Bill 1337, Representative Hughes. Mr. Clerk, please read House Bill 1337."

"House Bill 1337, a Bill for an Act that amends the Counties Code. Second Reading of this House Bill. Committee Amendment #1 was adopted. No Motions filed. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1340. Out of the record. House Bill 1363, Representative Younge. Representative Wyvetter Younge. Does the Lady wish the Bill be considered? Oh, there she is, I'm sorry Representative. Mr. Clerk, please call House Bill 1363."

"House Bill 1363, a Bill for an Act that amends the Illinois Public Aide Code. Second Reading of this House Bill. Committee Amendment #1 was adopted. No Motions filed. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1384, Representative Winters. Representative David Winters. Is the Gentleman on the floor? Representative Winters. Out of the record. Representative Young on House Bill 1398. Does the Lady wish the Bill to be heard? Mr. Clerk, please read House Bill 1398."

"House Bill 1398, a Bill for an Act that amends the Board of Higher Education Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. Committee Amendment #1 was adopted. No Motions filed. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1405. House Bill 63  35th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE March 21, 1995 1405, Representative Younge. Representative Younge."

"Yes, I wanted 1398, out of the record."

"I'm sorry...1398 we'll take that...hold that on Second Reading. What about 1405? Would you turn on the Lady's mic please."

"Yes, I wish to hear that."

"Mr. Clerk, please read House Bill 1405."

"House Bill 1405, a Bill for an Act to establish the Illinois Low Income Home Buyers Program. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Representative Younge, House Bill 1417. Do you wish that heard?"

"To be heard."

"Mr. Clerk, please read House Bill 1417."

"House Bill 1417, a Bill for an Act that amends the Business Enterprise for Minorities, Females, and Persons with Disabilities Act. Second Reading of this

House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments. Speaker Leitch: "Third Reading. House Bill 1424, Representative Younge. Mr. Clerk, please read House Bill 1424."

"House Bill 1424, a Bill for an Act that amends Property Tax Code. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1437, Representative Lyons. Representatives Eileen Lyons do you wish this to be moved to Third Reading? Mr. Clerk, please read House Bill 1437."

"House Bill 1437, a Bill for an Act in relation to Organized Gang Activity. Second Reading of this House Bill. Committee Amendment #1 and 3 were referred to rules. Committee Amendments #2 was referred to subcommittees. 64  35th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE March 21, 1995 Floor Amendments #3, 4, and 5 were referred to rules. A fiscal note and a correctional budget and impact note have been requested on the Bill and they have not been filed."

"The Bill will remain of Second Reading. House Bill 1456, Representative Stephens. Mr. Clerk, please read House Bill 1456."

"House Bill 1456, a Bill for an Act to amend the Public Community College Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. Committee Amendment #1 was adopted. A balanced budget note, home rule note, pension impact note. And a state debt impact note have been requested on the Bill and they have not been filed."

"Hold the Bill on Second Reading. House Bill 1458, Representative Biggert. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 1458, a Bill for an Act to amend the Criminal Code of 1961. Second Reading of this House Bill. Committee Amendment #1 was referred to rules. Committee Amendment #1 was referred to subcommittee. Floor Amendments #3 and 4 were referred to rules. A fiscal note and a correctional budget and impact note have been requested on the Bill and they have not been filed."

"Hold the Bill on Second Reading. House Bill 1459, Representative O'Connor. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 1459, a Bill for an Act that amends the School Code. Second Reading of this House Bill. Committee Amendments #1 and 2 were referred to subcommittee. Floor Amendments #3, 4, and 5 have been referred to rules. A fiscal note and a state mandates note have been requested on the Bill and they have been filed."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1461, Representative 65  35th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE March 21, 1995 Kubik. Out of the record. House Bill 1462. Out of the record. House Bill 1465. Out of the record. House Bill 1469, Representative Churchill. Out of the record. 1470, Representative Churchill. He is, were is he. Okay, back to House Bill 1469, Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 1469, a Bill for an Act that amends the Election Code. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1470, Representative Churchill. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 1470, a Bill for an Act that amends the Workers' Compensation Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. Committee Amendment #1 was referred to Committee. No Floor Amendments. No Motions."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1473. Mr. Clerk, will read the Bill."

"House Bill 1473, a Bill for an Act amending General Obligation Bonds. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. Floor Amendment #1 was referred to rules. No Motions filed."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1474. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 1474, a Bill for an Act that amends to Build Illinois Bond Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. Floor Amendment was referred to rules."

"Any notes requested."

"No notes requested."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1475. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 1475, a Bill for an Act that amends the General Obligation Bond Act. Second Reading of this 66  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day March 21, 1995 House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1476."

"House Bill 1476, a Bill for an Act that amends the General Obligation Bond Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1480."

"House Bill 1480, a Bill for an Act that amends the Rural Bond Bank Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1482."

"House Bill 1482, a Bill for an Act in relation to State Government. Second Reading of this House Bill. Committee Amendments #1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 are referred to rules. Floor Amendments #6, 7, 8, 9, 10, have been referred to rules. No Motions. No notes."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1484, Representative Meyer. Out of the record. House Bill 1488. Out of the record. House Bill 1489. Out of the record. Mr. Clerk, what is the status of the fiscal note on House Bill 377?"

"We have it. House Bill 377 has been read a second time prior. The fiscal note has been filed on the

Bill. Speaker Leitch: "Are there any other notes on the Bill that have not been requested?"

"No other notes are pending."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1198. Mr. Clerk, what is the status of House Bill 1198?"

"House Bill 1198 has been read a second time prior. A fiscal note has been requested on the Bill and has not been filed."

"You're sure it's not been filed?" 67  35th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE March 21, 1995

"A fiscal note has been filed on the Bill."

"Third Reading. Representative Biggert in the Chair."

"Representative Biggert in the Chair. Representative Lang, for what purpose do you rise?"

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, and it's a pleasure to have someone in the Chair that's noticed that my light has been on for a very long time."

"Well, I just got here Representative Lang, so I just noticed it was flashing."

"And as always Madam Speaker, I think you do a fine admirable job in the spirit of cooperation. Madam Speaker I had a Bill, since you're new to the Chair now, I might refer you to House Bill 1138. House Bill 1138 was called...sorry do I have the wrong number...1138. And on House Bill 1138..."

"Excuse me, Representative Lang could you hold off for just one minute the Clerk informed me that we have to check the sound system. Just one moment. It's down in the building it has nothing to do with what's in the chamber. If you could wait just a moment. I'm sure everyone in the building would like to hear what you have to say. All right, the House will be in order. Representative Lang would you please state your point of order."

"Well, thank you, Madam Speaker. I don't know if we're going to be in order must longer the way we've been treated by previous Speakers in the Chair today. But, as I said to you previously I appreciate your courtesy. Madam Speaker the previous Speaker put my Bill on the board, House Bill 1138, and took it out of the record. I'm the Sponsor of that Bill. Speaker can't take my Bill out of the record, Madam Speaker. You do not have the power to do that. The 68  35th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE March 21, 1995 House Rules very specific that gives Sponsors the right to control their own Bill. So only I can take my Bill out of the record. The Chair can not take my Bill out of the record. And then I note that after the Chair took my Bill out of the record there were no less than ten lights on in our side of the aisle completely ignored by the previous Speaker. I know you would never do such a thing and I'm sure that when I'm finished you will call on all the Democratic lights that are on over here for their comments on this point of order. I then note that the Chair continued on, adnauseam through all of the continuing Bills on Second Reading and then went out of order, went back to some other Republican Bills continuing to ignore my Bill. Now I don't know if...maybe you can enlighten me Madam Speaker I don't know if it's a anti-Democratic problem, I don't know if it's you don't like Representative Lang, although that's possible and probable, but what I don't understand is why you can take a Bill out of the record that's in the control of a Sponsor and take that control away from the Sponsor when your own rules, which thank God for you are in soft cover, why your own rules say that a Sponsor controls his own Bill. Now if the Chair is going to continue to ignore your own rules then the Chair is going to be in for a lot of embarrassment. I know Madam Speaker, you would not like to be embarrassed in your District, but if this continues Democrats are going to have to raise their voice all over this state about the shotting treatment we're receiving from the Chair on the floor of this House. Now you have rules that you passed over our objections, but there your rules and we demand that you live by those rules. You had no right, Madam Speaker you did not but the previous Speaker, and of course you now sit 69  35th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE March 21, 1995 in his shoes, had no right to take my Bill out of the record. Only I can take my Bill out of the record. You can't say you didn't call the Bill because it was up on the board. And it was up on the board for quite a long time before the previous Speaker in all of his high mightiness decided on his own to take the Bill off the board. Now I have a right to have that Bill called for a hearing. I have a right to have that Bill called on Second Reading. I have a right to have that done now. And I would move right now to change the Order of Business to go to House Bill 1138 on Second Reading. I demand a Roll Call Vote and I'm joined by sufficient number of Members on my side of the aisle to go to that Bill right now."

"Thank you, Representative Lang. Just a few points, number one is that the points of order are not debatable so I think to call on all the lights that are flashing would be out of order. Second of all you did make a Motion and I understand that and I would like you to put that in writing, please. Third, that when this Bill was up I was not in the Chair and I would like to proceed with the order that when I assumed the Chair. If you would like to put the Motion in order and I would like you...if you would like to consider this further to approach the Chair. Under rule, House Rule 74 every...point one, every Motion except to adjourn recess or postpone consideration shall be reduced to writing if the presiding officer desires it and I have requested that you put that in writing. Was that so hard? The Representative from Clinton, Representative Granberg, for what purpose do you rise?"

"Inquiry of the Chair I assume that this Motion is debatable Madam Speaker, the Motion to change the Order of Business, so I'm making the inquiry of the Chair." 70  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day

"Just a moment Representative. March  35th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE March 21, 1995 and yet we skipped right over Representative Lang's Bill. Didn't entirely skip over it, you put it up on the board and then because Representative Lang stayed in his seat and asked that Bill to be read refused to approach the Chair and do some side deal with the Parliamentarian, then you decided not to read that Bill on second. What's the problem? If you don't like Representative Lang's Bill kill it on Third. That's not hard you got the votes. It is of course a good Bill. It deals with how we can improve our ability to collect Child Support from dead beat parents so that the Department of Public Aide is not continually taking care of other peoples responsibilities through our tax dollars. So you have the votes to kill this good Bill if you want to do it, but you have no right under the rules that you adopted and under the commitments made by Lee Daniels, to this chamber to follow the order to stay with the game as played by your rules. You have no right to skip over Representative Lang's Bill that way. I think the Motion is not only in order it's debatable and I would hope that every Member of this House would stand up for the rights of anyone of us course of course it could happen, not just to Democrat, it could happen to those of you on the other side of the aisle who may be temporarily or permanently in disfavor with your Leadership. We're talking about the rights of the Members. The rights of the Members represent their constituents and anyone who cares about those right. Anyone who cares about order in this chamber and anybody who cares about collecting child support that is due and owing had best votes 'yes' on the Motion to change the Order of Business so that we can hear Representative Lang's Bill on Second Reading."

"The Chair would like to respond to the 72  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day March 21, 1995 inquiries of Representative Lang and Representative Granberg. The Motion that has been written out by Representative Lang is out of order for two reasons. Number on it needs the support of five Members and it's signed only by Representative Lang. And second, it states to go to the Order of Business of House Bill 1138 and I can find no such order. We are already on Second Reading and that's the order that we're on and there's no place to go. So, I would rule the Motion out of order. Representative Flowers for what purpose do you rise?"

"Madam Speaker, I move to overrule the Chair and I would appreciate a roll call."

"The Motion is, 'Shall the ruling of the Chair be sustained?' All those in favor of sustaining the Chair vote 'yes'; all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. Have all voted who wished? Have all voted who wished? Have all voted who wished? The Clerk, shall take the record. And the Motion...64 voting 'aye'. 44 voting 'nay'. The Motion carries. We're still on the Order of Second Reading. Mr. Clerk, will you call House Bill 1493."

"House Bill 1493 has been read a second time previously. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1496, Representative Churchill. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 1496, a Bill for an Act that amends the Election Code. Second Reading of this Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1497, Representative Churchill. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 1497, a Bill for an Act that amends the Election Code. Second Reading of this House Bill. No 73  35th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE March 21, 1995 Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1498, Representative Churchill. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 1498, a Bill for an Act that amends the Illinois Government Ethics Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. Committee Amendments #1 was referred to rules. No Floor Amendments. No Motions."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1499, Representative Churchill. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 1499, a Bill for an Act that amends the Officials Convicted of Infamous Crimes Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. Committee Amendment #1 was referred to rules. No Motions. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1502, Representative Stephens. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 1502, a Bill for an Act that amends the Illinois Adopt a Highway Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. Committee Amendments #1 and 2 were adopted. No Motions filed. No Floor Amendments. A fiscal note has been requested on the Bill as amended and a fiscal note has been filed."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1508, Representative Stephens. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 1508, a Bill for an Act concerning Illinois Veterans Homes. Second Reading of this House Bill. Committee Amendment # 1 was adopted. No Motions filed. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1509, Representative Jones."

"House Bill 1509, a Bill for an Act that amends the University of Illinois Act. Second Reading of this House Bill." 74  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day March 21, 1995

"Third Reading. Is there a note filed?"

"No Committee Amendments. Floor Amendment #1 has been referred to rules. A fiscal note has been requested on the Bill and has been filed."

"I'm sorry has been filed Mr. Clerk?"

"It has been filed."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1510, Representative Zickus. Is Representative Zickus in the chamber? Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 1510, a Bill for an Act in relation to women in military service. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1511, Representative Poe. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 1511, a Bill for an Act that amends the Historic Preservation Agencies Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1521, Representative Myers. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 1521, a Bill for an Act to regarding the treatment of the American flag. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1523, Representative Murphy. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 1523, a Bill for an Act in relation to Occupation Taxes. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1526, Representative Spangler. Representative Spangler. Out of the record. House Bill 1528, Representative Black. Representative 75  35th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE March 21, 1995 Black. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 1528, a Bill for an Act concerning vehicle emissions. Second Reading of this House Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee. No Motions filed. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1530, Representative Ackerman. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 1530, a Bill for an Act that amends the Civil Administrative Code of Illinois. The Bills been read a second time previously. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1532, Representative Poe. Representative Poe. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 1532, a Bill for an Act relating to the school recycling programs. Second Reading of this House Bill. Committee Amendments #1, 2, and 3 were referred to subcommittee. Floor Amendments #4, 5, and 6 were referred to rules. A state mandates note and a fiscal note have been requested on the Bill and they have been filed."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1533, Representative Spangler. Representative Spangler. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 1533, a Bill for an Act that amends the Natural Resources Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1537, Representative Cowlishaw. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 1537, a Bill for an Act that amends the Higher Education Students Assistance Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No 76  35th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE March 21, 1995 Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1538, Representative Leitch. Representative Leitch. Out of the record. House Bill 1558, Representative Roskam. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 1558, a Bill for an Act in relation to firearms. Second Reading of this House Bill. Committee Amendment #1 is referred to rules. Committee Amendment #2 was referred to subcommittee. Floor Amendments #3 and 4 were referred to rules. A fiscal note, a correction budget and impact note and a state mandates note were requested on the Bill and they have been filed."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1571, Representative Jones. John Jones. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 1571, a Bill for an Act that amends the Public Utilities Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1572, Representative Lyons. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 1572, a Bill for an Act that amends the Condominium Property Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1574, Representative Ciarlo. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 1574, a Bill for an Act that amends the Illinois Income Tax Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. Floor Amendment #1 has been referred to rules. A fiscal note has been requested on the Bill and it has been filed."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1582, Representative Meyer. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 1582, a Bill for an Act that amends 77  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day March 21, 1995 the Juvenile Court Act 1987. Second Reading of this House Bill. Committee Amendment #1 was referred to rules. Committee Amendment #2 was referred to subcommittee. Committee Amendment #3 has been adopted. Floor Amendments #4 and 5 were referred to rules. No Motions."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1584, Representative Santiago. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 1584, a Bill for an Act that amends the Condominium Property Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1585, Representative Santiago. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 1585, a Bill for an Act that amends the Condominium Property Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1587, Representative Biggert. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 1587, a Bill for an Act that amends the Vehicle Buyer Protection Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. Committee Amendment #1 was adopted. No Motions. No Floor Amendment."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1596, Representative Deuchler. House Bill 1596. Out of the record. House Bill 1606, Representative Biggert. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 1606, a Bill for an Act that amends Land Trust Recordation and Transfer Tax Acts. Second Reading of this House Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee. No Motions filed. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Representative Lang, for what purpose do you rise?" 78  35th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE March 21, 1995

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. I don't believe the Sponsor of House Bill 1606 is on the floor. I believe Madame Speaker is the Sponsor. You can't call a Bill from the Chair, Madame Speaker. You don't have a hyphenated Co-Sponsor. Who called this Bill?"

"Representative Lang, I'll take the Bill out of the record. Back to Second. Thank you. Go ahead, Mr. Lang."

"Thank you. It would be the same thing with House Bill 1587, Madame Speaker. You were the Sponsor and the Speaker. You also could not move that Bill to Third Reading. You could not call that Bill and I would ask that you move that Bill back to Second, as well."

"Representative Lang, your objection is not timely. That Bill's already gone to Third Reading. I hadn't gone to any other... House Bill 1614, Representative Turner, John Turner. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 1614, a Bill for an Act that amends the Code of Civil Procedure. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."

"Has a fiscal note been filed?"

"A fiscal note and a judicial note have been requested and they have been filed."

"Thank you. Third Reading. House Bill 1633, Representative Lachner. Representative Lachner. Mr. Clerk, please call the Bill."

"House Bill 1633, a Bill for an Act to create the Ultra-light Vehicle Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. Committee Amendment #1 was adopted. No Floor Amendments. A fiscal note has been requested on...a fiscal note has not been requested on the Bill."

"The fiscal note has not been requested?" 79  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day

March 21, 1995 "A fiscal note has been requested and has been filed on the Bill."

"And filed. Thank you, Third Reading. House Bill 1642, Representative O'Connor. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 1642, a Bill for an Act that amends the Property Tax Code. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Representative Lang, for what purpose do you rise?"

"Well, thank you, Madame Speaker. On a point of order, perhaps I'm wrong but I don't...oh, I do see Representative O'Connor on the floor. Thank you, very much. I wouldn't have to yell so loud if you would just acknowledge me."

"House Bill 1644, Representative Jones. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 1644, a Bill for an Act that amends the County's Code. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments. A fiscal note and a state mandate's note have been requested on the Bill. They have not been filed."

"House Bill 1644 will remain on Second Reading. House Bill 1649, Representative Murphy. Murphy. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

Representative Clerk McLennand: "House Bill 1649, a Bill for an Act that amends the Illinois Tax Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. Committee Amendment #1 was referred to subcommittees. No Motions. No Floor Amendments. No notes requested."

"Mr. Clerk, did you say no notes requested?"

"No notes have been requested."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1650, Representative Poe. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill. 80  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day March 21, 1995

"House Bill 1650, a Bill for an Act that amends the State Fair Act. Second Reading of this Bill. It has been read a second time prior, Committee Amendment #1 was adopted. A fiscal note has been requested on the Bill and it has been filed."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1653, Representative Moffitt. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 1653, a Bill for an Act that amends the State Printing Contract's Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. Committee Amendment #1 was adopted. No Motions filed. No Floor Amendments. A fiscal note has been requested on the Bill, has not been filed."

"House Bill 1653 will remain on Second Reading. House Bill 1654, Representative Cross. Representative Cross. Take it out of the record please, Mr. Clerk. House Bill 1655, Representative Ciarlo. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill,"

"House Bill 1655, a Bill for an Act that amends the Housing Authority's Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1656, Representative Zabrocki, Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 1656, a Bill for an Act that amends the Marriage and Dissolution of Marriage Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. Committee Amendment #1 was referred to rules. Committee Amendment #2 was referred to subcommittee. Floor Amendments #3 and 4 were referred to rules. A fiscal note and a correctional budget impact note have been requested on the Bill and they have been filed."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1658, Representative O'Connor, Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 1658, a Bill for an Act that amends 81  35th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE March 21, 1995 the Housing Authorities Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments. A fiscal note and a state mandate's note have been requested on the Bill. They have not been filed."

"House Bill 1658 will remain on Second Reading. House Bill 1675, Representative McAuliffe. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 1675, a Bill for an Act that amends the Metropolitan Water Reclamation District Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1677, Representative Cowlishaw. Out of the record. House Bill 1684, Representative Lachner. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 1684, a Bill for an Act that amends the School Code. Second Reading of this Bill, Committee Amendments #1, 2, and 3 were referred to subcommittee. Floor Amendments #4, 5, and 6 were referred to rules. A state mandate's note and a fiscal note have been requested and they have been filed on the Bill."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1693, Representative Mitchell. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 1693, a Bill for an Act amending the Civil Administrative Code of Illinois. Second Reading of this House Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee. No Motions have been filed. No further Floor Amendments. The fiscal note that was requested on the Bill as amended has been filed."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1696, Representative Winkel. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 1696, a Bill for an Act concerning collegiate license plates. Second Reading of this House 82  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day March 21, 1995 Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee. No Motions are filed. Floor Amendment #2 is been referred to rules. A fiscal note as amended has been requested on the Bill and has not been filed."

"House Bill 1696 will remain on Second Reading. House Bill 1698, Representative Rutherford. Out of the record. House Bill 1699, Representative Wojcik. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 1699, a Bill for an Act amending the Public Community College Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee. No Motions are filed. No further Floor Amendments. A fiscal note and a state mandate's note have been requested on the Bill."

"House Bill 1699 will remain on Second Reading. Okay. Mr. Clerk, what is the status of House Bill 1696?"

"House Bill 1696 was held on the Order of Second Reading for a fiscal note. That fiscal note has now been filed."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1706, Representative John Turner. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 1706, a Bill for an Act in relation to aggravated battery of a child. Second Reading of this House Bill. Committee Amendment #1 has been referred to rules. Committee Amendment #2 has been referred to subcommittee. Floor Amendments 3 and 4 have been referred to rules. No further Floor Amendments. A fiscal note and a correction budget impact note have been requested on the Bill."

"House Bill 1706 will remain on Second Reading. Representative Dart, for what purpose do you rise?"

"Thank you. Inquiry of the Clerk, as to House Bill 1696 there was numerous notes filed and I didn't hear if all of 83  35th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE March 21, 1995 them are requested. I don't know how many of them if any were actually filed."

"Mr. Clerk, would you advise Representative Dart as to the status of House Bill 1696?"

"On House Bill 1696, a fiscal as amended was requested on the Bill. A fiscal note as amended on the Bill has been filed."

"Representative Dart."

"Thank you. Inquiry of the Clerk, was there not a mandate's note filed to that Bill?"

"The only request I had was a fiscal note."

"Thank you. Mr. Clerk, did we do 1706? Okay. House Bill 1707, Representative Ciarlo. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 1707, a Bill for an Act to create the offense of aggravated domestic battery. Second Reading of this House Bill. Committee Amendment #1 has been referred to rules. Committee Amendment #2 has been referred to subcommittee. Floor Amendments 3 and 4 have been referred to rules. No further Floor Amendments. A fiscal note and a corrections budget impact note have been requested on the Bill."

"House Bill 1707 will remain on Second Reading. Representative Granberg, for what purpose do you rise?"

"Thank you, Madame Speaker. I had an inquiry of the Chair. It's my understanding that there is a truth in sentencing Amendment filed to House Bill 1707 which would provide that any person convicted of a violence felony would have to serve, he or she would have to serve 85% of his or her sentence. I would like to ask the Representative if she will allow this Amendment to go on her Bill, if she is, in fact, for truth in sentencing and will allow debate 84  35th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE March 21, 1995 on this issue and allow this Amendment to be heard on House Bill 1707."

"Mr. Clerk, could you advise the Chair what Amendment number that is? Representative Granberg, do you know what number that is?"

"Madame Speaker, the House Bill, the Amendment number? My actual inquiry is to the Sponsor, the Representative."

"Representative Granberg, can you advise me as to what number that Amendment is?"

"Amendment #4, I believe, Madame Speaker but my inquiry is to the Sponsor of House Bill 1707. Representative

Ciarlo. Speaker Biggert: "Representative Granberg, we only show an Amendment #1 and Amendment #2, both of which have been referred to rules. Representative Granberg."

"Thank you, Madame Speaker. My request is to the Sponsor and will the Lady yield and answer that question, if she will consider allowing an Amendment on truth in sentencing to go on her legislation."

"Representative... Representative Granberg, you're stating a point of order that's not debatable. Mr. Clerk, what is the status of that Bill? 1707."

"House Bill 1707 was held on the Order of Second Reading because a fiscal note and a corrections budget impact note have been requested on the Bill."

"Mr. Granberg, that Bill is no longer before us. House Bill 1708. Representative O'Connor. Mr. Clerk, please call the Bill."

"House Bill 1708, a Bill for an Act in relation to compelling organization membership. Second Reading of this House Bill. Committee Amendment #1 has been referred to rules. Committee Amendment #2 has been referred to 85  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day March 21, 1995 subcommittee. Floor Amendments 3 and 4 have been referred to rules. A fiscal note and a corrections budget impact note have been requested on the Bill."

"House Bill 1708 will remain on Second Reading. House Bill 1709, Representative Klingler. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 1709, a Bill for an Act in relation to the penalties for criminal sexual assault and aggravated criminal sexual assault. Second Reading of this House Bill. Committee Amendment #1 has been referred to rules. Committee Amendment #2 has been referred to subcommittee. Floor Amendments 3 and 4 have been referred to rules. No Motions are filed. No further Floor Amendments. A fiscal note and a corrections budget impact note have been requested on the Bill."

"House Bill 1709 will remain on Second Reading. House Bill 1721, Representative Parke. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 1721, a Bill for an Act concerning the leasing and ownership of condominiums. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1725, Representative Wait. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 1725, a Bill for an Act amending the Counties Code. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments. A fiscal note and a state mandate's note have been requested on the Bill."

"I'm sorry, I couldn't hear you."

"A fiscal note and a state mandate's note have been requested on the Bill." 86  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day

March 21, 1995 "House Bill 1721 will be held on Second. House Bill 1711. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 1711, a Bill for an Act amending the Illinois Highway Code. Second Reading of this House Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee. No Motions have been filed. No further Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1728, Representative Art Turner. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 1728, a Bill for an Act amending the School Code. Second Reading of this House Bill. Amendments 1, 2, and 3 have been referred to subcommittee. No further Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1730. House Bill 1730, Representative Black. Out of the Record. House Bill 1731, Representative Black. Out of the Record. House Bill 1732, Representative Black. Out of the record. House Bill 1733, Representative Black. Out of the record. House Bill, 1737, Representative Brady. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 1737, a Bill for an Act amending the Illinois Insurance Code. Second Reading of this House Bill. Committee Amendments 1 and 2 have been referred to subcommittee. Amendment #3 was adopted in committee. Floor Amendments 4 and 5 have been referred to rules. No Motions are filed. No further Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1739, Representative Brady. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 1739, a Bill for an Act amending the Illinois Insurance Code. Second Reading of this House Bill. Committee Amendments 1 and 2 have been referred to subcommittee. Floor Amendments 3 and 4 have been referred to rules. No further Floor Amendments." 87  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day

"Third Reading. Cross. Out of the record. Persico. Out of the Representative Stephens. March 21, 1995 House Bill 1741, Representative House Bill 1743, Representative record. House Bill 1749, Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill,"

"House Bill 1749, a Bill for an Act in relation to property tax caps. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments. A fiscal note been requested on the Bill."

"House Bill 1749 will remain in Second Reading. House Bill 1754, Representative Rutherford. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 1754, a Bill for an Act amending the Retailer's Occupation Tax Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee. No Motions have been filed, No further Floor Amendments. A fiscal note has been requested on the Bill."

"House Bill 1754 will remain in Second Reading. House Bill 1756, Representative Krause. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 1756, a Bill for an Act amending the Family Practice Residency Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee. No Motions have been filed. No further Floor Amendments. The fiscal note that was requested on the Bill has been filed."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1760, Representative Dart. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 1760, a Bill for an Act amending the Department of Veterans' Affairs Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments. The fiscal note that was requested on the Bill has been filed."

"Representative Black, for what purpose do you 88  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day rise?" March 21, 1995

"I don't understand, I don't understand the Clerk. I clearly filed a Veteran's impact note on this."

"Mr. Clerk."

"A Veteran's impact note does not exist."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1764, Representative Murphy. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 1764, a Bill for an Act amending the Retailer's Occupation Tax Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments. A fiscal note's been requested on the Bill."

"House Bill 1764 will remain on Second Reading. House Bill 1785, Representative Balthis. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 1785, a Bill for an Act amending the County's Code. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments. A fiscal note and a state mandate's note have been requested on the Bill."

"House Bill 1785 will remain on Second Reading. House Bill 1787, Representative Kubik. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 1787, a Bill for an Act in relation to gambling. Second Reading of this House Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee. No Motions have been filed. No further Floor Amendments. A fiscal note as amended is been requested on the Bill."

"House Bill 1787 will remain on Second Reading. House Bill 1790, Representative Ciarlo. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 1790, a Bill for an Act relating to the education of nurses in Illinois. Second Reading of this 89  35th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE March 21, 1995 House Bill. No Committee Amendments. Floor Amendment #1 has been referred to rules."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1791, Representative Lyons. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 1791, a Bill for an Act amending certain Acts in relation to the names of state buildings. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments. The fiscal note that's been requested on the Bill has been filed."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1792, Representative Zabrocki. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 1792, a Bill for an Act in relation to criminal law. Second Reading of this House Bill. Committee Amendment #1 has been referred to rules. Committee Amendment #2 has been referred to subcommittee. Amendment #3 was adopted in committee. Floor Amendments 4 and 5 have been referred to rules. No further Floor Amendments. No Motions filed. A fiscal note and a corrections budget impact note have been requested on the Bill."

"House Bill 1792 will remain in Second Reading. House Bill 1793, Representative Ciarlo. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 1793, a Bill for an Act amending Environmental Protection Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee. No Motions have been filed. No further Floor Amendments. The fiscal note that was requested on the Bill as amended has been filed."

"Third Reading. Representative Granberg, for what purpose do you rise?"

"Thank you, Madame Speaker. The inquiry was 15 minutes 90  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day March 21, 1995 ago and I, unfortunately you did not recognize myself or Representative Lang. Is it going to be the policy of the Chair to ignore any questions of Sponsors since you've done that previously today? Are you going to continue that throughout the night, throughout the week?"

"Representative Granberg, could you restate that question. I don't know exactly what you mean? We're on Second Reading."

"Are you going to continue your policy of not recognizing Members to ask questions of Bill Sponsor's?"

"I haven't heard any questions asked before on Second Reading of Sponsors of the Chair I have. Representative Granberg."

"Madame Speaker, I clearly had a question of Representative Ciarlo, earlier. You ignored that request. You ignored my question of the Sponsor. You moved the Bill to Third Reading. You would not allow the Representative to answer and I trust Representative Ciarlo to understand her issues and I know she does. You would not allow your own Members to answer questions. Are you going to continue that policy, Madame Speaker?"

"Representative Granberg, if there's a Motion on the Floor, we will debate it but other than that, I'll take it under advisement, thank you. Mr. Clerk, what's the status of House Bill 1793?"

"House Bill 1793 was moved to the Order of Third Reading."

"House Bill 1794."

"House Bill 1794, a Bill for an Act amending the Illinois Public Aid Code. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments. The fiscal note that was requested on the Bill has been filed." 91  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day

March 21, 1995 "Third Reading. House Bill 1795, Representative O'Connor. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 1795, a Bill for an Act amending the Uniform Disposition of Unclaimed Property Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments. The fiscal note that was requested on the Bill has been filed."

"Third Reading. Representative Granberg, in the future I'd appreciate if you would wait till the Clerk finishes reading SO that we have the tape. For what purpose do you rise, Representative Granberg?"

"Point of Order, Madame Speaker. Is it the Chair's Ruling..."

"State your point please, Mr. Granberg."

"Is it the Chair's ruling that we have to file a Motion in writing to ask a question of a Bill Sponsor? Is that what you just said?"

"No, Representative Granberg. I just said if there's a Motion on the floor, we'll discuss it when we're in Second Reading. Representative Granberg."

"Madame Speaker, you have repeatedly denied our asking questions of Bill Sponsors. Now, are you going to recognize us to ask questions on Bills? If you don't, are you going to, you want to resort to filing Motions in writing to ask questions of Bill Sponsors? Is that what this Body's all about to shut down any discussion of any legislation?"

"Representative Granberg, not on Second Reading. We will now continue with House Bill 1797, Representative Mitchell. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 1797. House Bill 1797, a Bill for an Act amending the Illinois Human Rights Act. Second Reading 92  35th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE March 21, 1995 of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments. The fiscal note that was requested an the Bill has been filed. The judicial note that was requested has not been filed."

"House Bill 1797 will be held on Second Reading. House Bill 1798, Representative Spangler. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 1798, a Bill for an Act amending the Illinois Nuclear Safety Preparedness Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments. The fiscal note that was requested on the Bill has been filed."

"Third Reading. House 1807, Representative Myers."

"House Bill 1807, a Bill for an Act amending the Civil Administrative Code of Illinois. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments. The fiscal note that was requested on the Bill has been filed."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1810, Representative Spangler. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 1810, a Bill for an Act amending the Illinois Income Tax Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. Floor Amendment #1 has been referred to rules. The fiscal note that was requested on the Bill has been filed."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1816, Representative Hanrahan. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 1816, a Bill for an Act amending the Criminal Code of 1961. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments. The fiscal note that was requested on this Bill has been filed." 93  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day March 21, 1995

"Mr. Clerk, the notes were filed? Third Reading. House Bill 1827, Representative Moffitt. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 1827, a Bill for an Act regarding disaster relief exemptions and amending the Use and Occupation Tax Acts. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments. A fiscal note has been requested on the Bill."

"A fiscal note has been requested?"

"And filed."

"And filed. Third Reading. House Bill 1833, Representative Mitchell. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 1833, a Bill for an Act amending the Financial Institutions Banking Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee. No Motions have been filed. No Floor Amendments. A fiscal note has been filed as amended on the Bill."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1825, Representative Moore. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 1825, a Bill for an Act amending the Election Code. Second Reading of this House Bill. Amendments 1 and 2 were adopted in committee. No Motions have been filed. No further Floor Amendments. A fiscal note as amended has been requested on the Bill."

"House Bill 1825 will be held on Second Reading. House Bill 1841, Representative Churchill. Out of the record. House Bill 1842, Representative Pedersen. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 1842, a Bill for an Act amending the Illinois Insurance Code. Second Reading of this House Bill. Committee Amendments 1 and 2 have been referred to subcommittee. Floor Amendments 3 and 4 have been referred 94  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day March 21, 1995 to rules. The fiscal note that was requested on the Bill has been filed."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1843, Representative Hanrahan. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 1843, a Bill for an Act amending the Illinois Insurance Code. Second Reading of this House Bill. Committee Amendments 1 and 2 have been referred to subcommittee. Floor Amendments 3 and 4 have been referred to rules. No Motions are filed. No further Floor Amendments. The fiscal note that has been requested and has not been filed."

"House Bill 1843 will remain on Second Reading. House Bill 1850, Representative Cross. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 1850, a Bill for an Act amending the Upper Illinois River Valley Development Authority Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments. A fiscal note, a fiscal note has been requested on the Bill and has not been filed."

"House Bill 1850 will remain on Second Reading. House Bill 1853, Representative Myers. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 1853, a Bill for an Act concerning the responsibilities of the State Treasurer. Second Reading of this House Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee. No Motions have been filed. No further Floor Amendments. A fiscal note as amended has been requested on the Bill."

"House Bill 1853 will remain on... Representative Myers, for what purpose do you rise?"

"Thank you, Madame Speaker. Madame Speaker, I have a copy of the fiscal note that was filed and according to my copy 95  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day March 21, 1995 of that fiscal note, it is filed as amended."

"Mr. Clerk, do you have a copy of that?"

"Representative Myers is correct. The fiscal note is as amended."

"Thank you. Third Reading. House Bill 1855, Representative Winkel. Representative Winkel. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 1855, a Bill for an Act amending the Higher Education Student Assistance Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments. The fiscal note that was requested on the Bill has been filed."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1856, Representative Saviano. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 1856, a Bill for an Act amending the Real Estate License Act of 1983. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments. A fiscal note's been requested on the Bill."

"House Bill 1856 will remain on Second Reading. Representative... Representative Hoffman, for what reason do you rise?"

"We want to withdraw our fiscal note request."

"Thank you. House Bill 1856, Third Reading. House Bill 1868, Representative Black. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 1868 has been read a second time previously. The fiscal note that was requested on the Bill has been filed."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1876, Representative Winters. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 1876, a Bill for an Act amending the Illinois Insurance Code. Second Reading of this House 96  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day March 21, 1995 Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1879, Representative Saviano. House Bill 1879. Out of the Record. House Bill 1888, Representative Ryder. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 1888, a Bill for an Act concerning drug products. Second Reading of this House Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee. No Motions have been filed. No further Floor Amendments. A fiscal note has been filed as amended on the Bill."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1891, Representative Mitchell. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 1891, a Bill for an Act concerning support. Second Reading of this House Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee. Committee Amendment #2 has been referred to rules. No further Amendments. A fiscal note and a state mandate's note have been requested on the Bill."

"House Bill 1891 will remain on Second Reading. House Bill 1894, Representative Lyons. Representative Lyons. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 1894, a Bill for an Act amending the Retail Installment Sales Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. Floor Amendment #1 has been referred to rules. No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1900, Representative Ryder. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 1900, a Bill for an Act concerning tax collections. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments. A state mandate's note and a fiscal note have been filed on the Bill." 97  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day

March 21, 1995 "Third Reading. House Bill 1901, Representative Ryder. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 1901, a Bill for an Act amending the Civil Administrative Code of Illinois. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, what is the status of House Bill 1854?"

"House Bill 1854, a Bill for an Act concerning housing. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments. The fiscal note that was requested on the Bill has been filed."

"Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, what is the status of House Bill 5?"

"House Bill 5 has been read a second time previously and was held on the Order of Second Reading because the Amendment had not been distributed. The Amendment has now been distributed."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1902, Representative Myers. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill,"

"House Bill 1902, a Bill for an Act amending the Election Code. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, what's the status of House Bill 23?"

"House Bill 23 has been read a second time previously and was held on the Order of Second Reading because Committee Amendment #1 had not been distributed. That Amendment has now been distributed."

"Third Reading. What is the status of House Bill 25, Mr. Clerk?"

"House Bill 25 was read a second time previously and 98  35th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE March 21, 1995 held on the Order of Second Reading because the Amendment had not been distributed. That Amendment has now been distributed."

"Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, what's the status of House Bill 36?"

"House Bill 36 has been read a second time previously and was held on the Order of Second Reading because Committee Amendment #4 had not been distributed. That Amendment has now been distributed."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1910, Representative Mulligan. Representative Mulligan. Out of the record. House Bill 1917, Representative Black. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 1917 has been read a second time previously and was held on the Order of Second Reading because a fiscal note had been requested. That note has now been filed."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1920, Representative Hoeft. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House bill 1920, a Bill for an Act amending the School Code. Second Reading of this House Bill. Committee Amendments, 1, 2, and 3 have been referred to subcommittee. Amendment #4 was adopted in committee. No Motions have been filed. Floor Amendments, 5, 6, and 7 have been referred to rules. A fiscal note and a state mandate's note that were requested on the note have now been filed."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1931, Representative McGuire. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 1931, a Bill for an Act amending the Housing Authorities Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1933, Representative 99  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day March 21, 1995 Klingler. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 1933, a Bill for an Act amending the Legislative Commission Reorganization Act of 1984. Second Reading of this House Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee. No Motions have been filed. No further Floor Amendments. A fiscal note that was requested on the Bill has been filed."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1940, Representative Lawfer. Representative Lawfer. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 1940, a Bill for an Act amending the Farm Nuisance Suit Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee. No Motions have been filed. No further Floor Amendments. A fiscal note has been requested on the Bill and has not been filed."

"House Bill 1940 will remain on Second Reading. House Bill 1941, Representative Ryder. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 1941, a Bill for an Act amending the Nursing Home Care Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1960, Representative Leitch. Out of the Record. House Bill 1967, Representative Ryder. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 1967, a Bill for an Act in relation to violence prevention. Second Reading of this House Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee. No Motions have been filed. Floor Amendments, 2, 3, 4, and 5 have been referred to rules. No further Floor Amendments. A fiscal note has been requested on the Bill as amended."

"House Bill 1967 will remain on Second Reading. House Bill 1968, Representative Hartke. Mr. Clerk, please 100  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE March 21, 1995 35th Legislative Day read the Bill."

"House Bill 1968, a Bill for an Act amending the Alcoholism and Drug Addiction Intervener and Reporter Immunity Law. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, what is the status of House Bill 159?"

"House Bill 159 was held on the Order of Second Reading because Committee Amendments 1, 2, and 3 had not been distributed. Those Amendments have now been distributed."

"Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, what is the status of House Bill 178?"

"House Bill 178 was held on the Order of Second Reading for the distribution of Amendments. That Amendment has now been distributed."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1972, Representative Scott. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 1972, a Bill for an Act amending the Solid Waste Planning and Recycling Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1987, Representative Lindner. Out of the record. House Bill 1988, Representative Cowlishaw. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 1988, a Bill for an Act amending the School Code. Second Reading of this House Bill. Committee Amendments 1, 2, and 3 have been referred to subcommittee."

"Out of the record. House Bill 2035, Representative Balthis. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 2035, a Bill for an Act amending the 101  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day Municipal Code. March 21, 1995 Second Reading of this House Bill. Committee Amendment #1 has been referred to committee. No further Floor Amendments. The fiscal note and the state mandate's note that were requested on the Bill have been filed."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2045, Representative Winters. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 2045, a Bill for an Act amending the Correctional Budget and Impact Note Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. Committee Amendment #1 has been referred to rules. Committee Amendment #2 has been referred to subcommittee. Amendment #3 was adopted in committee. No Motions are filed. Floor Amendments 4 and 5 have also been referred to rules."

"Third Reading."

"A fiscal note as amended has been requested on the Bill." Speaker Biggert: "House Bill 2045 will remain on Second Reading. House Bill 2066."

"House Bill 2066, a Bill for an Act in relation to public services. Second Reading of this House Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee. No Motions are filed. No further Floor Amendments. A fiscal note has been requested on the Bill as amended."

"House Bill 2066 will remain on Second Reading. Mr. Clerk, what is the status of House Bill 411?"

"House Bill 411 is a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Grain Insurance Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2070, Representative Daniels. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2070, a Bill for an Act concerning 102  35th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE March 21, 1995 disabled persons. Second Reading of this House Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee. No Motions have been filed. Committee Amendments 2, 3, and 4 have been referred to rules. A fiscal note and a state mandate's note as amended have been requested on the Bill."

"The notes have been requested but not filed? House Bill 2070 will remain on Second Reading. House Bill 2072, Representative Leitch. Out of the record. House Bill 2076, Representative Winters. Out of the record. House Bill 2080, Representative Rutherford. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 2080, a Bill for an Act amending the Illinois Vehicle Code. Second Reading of this House Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee. No Motions have been filed. No Floor Amendments. A fiscal note has been requested on the Bill."

"House Bill 2080 will remain on Second Reading. House Bill 2083, Representative Ryder. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 2083, a Bill for an Act concerning nursing home facilities. Second Reading of this House Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee. No Motions have been filed. No further Floor Amendments. The notes that have been requested on the Bill have been filed."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2094, Representative Stephens. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 2094, a Bill for an Act amending the Unified Code of Corrections. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments. A fiscal note and a correctional budget impact note have been requested on the Bill."

"House Bill 2094 will remain on Second Reading. 103  35th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE March 21, 1995 House Bill 2072, Representative Leitch. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 2072 has been read a second time previously. The fiscal note that was requested on the Bill has now been filed."

"Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, what is the status of House Bill 447?"

"House Bill 447 has been read a second time previously and was held on the Order of Second Reading for a correctional budget and impact note. Those notes have now been filed."

"Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, what is the status of House Bill 1854?"

"House Bill 1854 was moved to the Order of Third Reading."

"Thank you. House Bill 2100, Representative Skinner. Representative Skinner. Out of the record. House Bill 2105, Representative Kubik. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 2105, a Bill for an Act amending the Code of Civil Procedure. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2106, Representative Kubik. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 2106, a Bill for an Act in relation to gambling. Second Reading of this House Bill. Committee Amendment #1 has been referred to rules. No further Amendments. No Motions."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2108, Representative Kubik. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 2108, a Bill for an Act amending the Illinois Horse Racing Act of 1975. Second Reading of this 104  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day House Bill. March 21, 1995 Committee Amendment #1 has been referred to rules. No further Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Representative Kubik in the Chair."

"House Bill 2119. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 2119, a Bill for an Act that amends the Alternative Health Care Delivery Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. Committee Amendment #1 was adopted. No Floor Amendments. A fiscal note has been requested on the Bill and the note has been filed."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2122, Representative Skinner. Is the Gentleman in the chamber? Out of the record. House Bill 2123, Representative Hughes. Out of the record. House Bill 2125, Representative Stephens. Out of the record. House Bill 2134, Representative Poe. Representative Poe. House Bill 2134. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 2134, a Bill for an Act concerning federal mandates. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments. A fiscal note had been requested on the Bill. It has been filed."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2138, Representative Jones, John Jones. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 2138, a Bill for an Act in relation to oil and gas. Second Reading of this House Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee. No Motions. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2139, Representative Saviano. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 2139, a Bill for an Act in relation to criminal justice. Second Reading of this House Bill. 105  35th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE March 21, 1995 Committee Amendment #1 was referred to rules. Committee Amendment #2 was referred to subcommittee. Amendment #3 was adopted in committee. Floor Amendments 4 and 5 are referred to rules. No Motions."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2140, Representative Moffitt. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 2140, a Bill for an Act that amends the Illinois Insurance Code. Second Reading of this House Bill. Committee Amendments #1 and 2 were referred to subcommittee. Amendment 3 was adopted in committee. Floor Amendments #4 and 5 have been referred to rules. No Motions."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2141. Out of the record. House Bill 2142, Representative Moffitt. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 2142, a Bill for an Act that amends the School Code. Second Reading of this House Bill. Committee Amendments 1, 2, and 3 have been referred to subcommittee. Floor Amendments 4, 5, and 6 were referred to rules. A state mandate's note and a fiscal note were requested on the Bill and they have been filed."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2150, Representative Black. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 2150, a Bill for an Act that amends the Public Community College Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, what is the status of House Bill 1940?"

"House Bill 1940 has been read a second time 106  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day March 21, 1995 prior. A fiscal note has been requested. It has not been filed on the Bill."

"For what reason does the Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Lang, rise?"

"The fiscal note request was mine, Mr. Speaker. In the spirit of good fellowship, I will withdraw the request."

"Thank you, Mr. Lang."

"No further requests are pending."

"Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, what is the status of House Bill 1587?"

"House Bill 1587 is on Third Reading."

"Mr. Clerk, what's the status of House Bill 1606?"

"House Bill 1606, a Bill for an Act that amends the Land Trust Recordation and Transfer Tax Act. Second Reading of this Bill. Amendment #1 was was adopted in committee. No Motions filed."

"Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, would you please let me know what the status of House Bill 1746 is?"

"House Bill 1746, a Bill for an Act that amends the Consumer Installment Loan Act. Second Reading of this Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee. No Motions. No Floor Amendments. A fiscal note has been filed on the Bill as amended by Amendment #1."

"Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, what is the status of House Bill 1836?"

"House Bill 1836, a Bill for an Act that amends the Illinois Public Aid Code. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments. A fiscal note had been requested on the Bill and it has been filed."

"Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, what is the status of House Bill 1840?" 107  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day

March 21, 1995 "House Bill 1840, a Bill for an Act that amends the Housing Authorities Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments. Motions."

No Speaker Kubik: "Third Reading. House Bill 2153. Out of the record. House Bill 2154. Out of the record. House Bill 2176, Representative Brady. Clerk, Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 2176, a Bill for an Act that amends the Illinois Pension Code. Second Reading of this House Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

A "No Motions. No Floor Amendments. pension impact note had been requested on the Bill as amended and it has been filed."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2177, Representative Brady. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 2177, a Bill for an Act that amends the Illinois Pension Code. Second Reading of this House Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee. No Motions. No Floor Amendments. A pension impact note had been requested on the Bill as amended and it has been filed on the Bill."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2179, Representative Wait. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 2179, a Bill for an Act that amends the Property Tax Code. Second Reading of this House Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee. No Motions filed. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2181, Representative Wait. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill. (House Bill) 2181.

"House Bill 2181, a Bill for an Act that 108  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day March 21, 1995 amends the Illinois Municipal Code. Bill's been read a second time prior. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, what is the status of House Bill 2317?"

"House Bill 2317 had been read a second time previously. It was held due to Amendment #3 not being distributed. Amendment #3 has been distributed. A correctional budget impact note and a fiscal note had also been requested on the Bill. Those have not been filed."

"Hold the Bill on Second Reading. Mr. Clerk, what's the status of House Bill 2321?"

"House Bill 2321, a Bill for an Act that amends the Unified Code of Corrections. Second Reading of this House Bill. Committee Amendment #1 is referred to rules. Committee Amendment #2 is referred to subcommittee. Committee Amendment #3 was adopted."

"Has the Amendment been distributed?"

"The Amendment has been distributed. Floor Amendments #4 and 5 have been referred to rules."

"Any Motions filed?"

"A fiscal note and a correctional budget impact note have been requested on the Bill and they have not been filed."

"Please hold the Bill on Second Reading. Mr. Clerk, what is the status of House Bill 2332?"

"House Bill 2332 has been read a second time prior. It had been held for printing of..."

"Mr. Clerk, please take this Bill out of the record. What is the, Mr. Clerk, what's the status of House 109  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day Bill 2345?" March 21, 1995

"House Bill 2345 had been read a second time prior. It had been held pending printing of Amendment #1. Committee Amendment #1 has now been distributed. No Floor Amendments. No further Motions."

"Third Reading. Representative Dart, for what reason do you rise?"

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Inquiry of the Clerk, was there not a note filed on this Bill?"

"We have just located a request for a fiscal note and a state mandate's note for the Bill as amended for House Bill 2345."

"Have any notes been filed?"

"The notes have not been filed."

"Please hold the Bill on Second Reading. Mr. Clerk, what is the status of House Bill 2235?"

"House Bill 2235, a Bill for an Act concerning sexually transmitted disease. Second Reading of this House Bill."

"Any Amendments?"

"Committee Amendments #1, 2, and 3 were withdrawn. No Floor Amendments. No other Motions."

"Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, what is the status of House Bill 2401?"

"House Bill 2401 has been read a second time prior. It was held pending distribution of Amendment #1. That Amendment has been printed. A fiscal note has been requested on the Bill and has been filed."

"Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, what's the status of House Bill 2463?"

"House Bill 2463 had been read a second time prior and was being held for pending distribution of 110  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day March 21, 1995 Committee Amendment #1. It has been distributed and a fiscal note has been requested and has been filed on the Bill."

"Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, what is the status of House Bill 2076?"

"House Bill 2076, a Bill for an Act that amends the School Code. Second Reading of this House Bill. Committee Amendments #1, 2, and 3 were referred to subcommittee. Committee Amendments #4 was adopted. Floor Amendments #5, 6, 7, and 8 have been referred to rules. A state mandate's note and a fiscal note have been filed on this Bill."

"Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, what's the status of House Bill 1910?"

"House Bill 1910, a Bill for an Act concerning guardianship and advocacy. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments. A fiscal note had been requested on the Bill and has been filed."

"Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, what's the status of House Bill 2351?"

"House Bill 2351, a Bill for an Act concerning the duration of state leases. Second Reading of this House Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee. No Motions filed. No Floor Amendments. A fiscal note has been requested on the Bill."

"Has the fiscal note been filed?"

"The fiscal note has not been filed."

"Please hold the Bill on the Order of Second Reading. Mr. Clerk, what is the status of House. Mr. clerk, could we please return to House Bill 2351. Please, are there any Motions filed on this Bill?" 111  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day

March 21, 1995 "A fiscal note has been requested on the Bill and it has been, a fiscal note has been filed on the Bill as amended."

"Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, what is the status of House Bill 2455?"

"House Bill 2455."

"Representative Spangler, the Gentleman in the chamber. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 2455 has been read a second time previously. It is being held, we're pending a fiscal note, state mandate's note, and a correctional budget impact note have been requested on the Bill and they have not been filed."

"Please hold the Bill on the Order of Second Reading. Mr. Clerk, what is the status of House Bill 1798? Representative Spangler. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 1798 is on the Order of Third Reading."

"Mr. Clerk, what's the status of House Bill 2439?"

Speaker Kubik: the Bill." "House Bill 2439." "Representative Spangler. Mr. Clerk, please read

"That Bill's already been read and is on the Order of Third Reading."

"Mr. Clerk, what's the status of House Bill 1270? Representative Mulligan."

"House Bill 1270, a Bill for an Act in relation to gambling. Second Reading of this House Bill. Committee Amendments #1 and 2 have been adopted. Committee Amendment #3 failed. No Motions filed. No Floor Amendments. No requests."

"Third Reading. Mr. Clerk... House Bill 2189, 112  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATI TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day March 21, 1995 Representative Churchill. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 2189, a Bill for an Act providing for a metropolitan airport authority. Second Reading of this House Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee. No Motions filed. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2202, Representative Wait. Mr. Wait, in the chamber? Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill,"

"House Bill 2202, a Bill for an Act that amends the Illinois Vehicle Code. Second Reading of this House Bill. Amendments #1 and 2 were adopted in committee. No Motions filed. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2203, Representative Brady. Mr. Brady, Mr. Brady in the chamber? Out of the record. House Bill 2204, Representative Zickus. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 2204, a Bill for an Act that amends the Illinois Identification Card Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. Amendments...Committee Amendment #1 was referred to rules. Committee Amendment #2 was referred to subcommittee. Committee Amendment #3 was adopted. Floor Amendments #4 and 5, Floor Amendments #4 and 5 have been referred to rules."

"Any Motions filed?"

"A fiscal note has been requested on the Bill and it has not been filed."

"Hold the Bill on the Order of Second Reading. House Bill 2205, Representative Johnson. Representative Tom Johnson. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 2205, a Bill for an Act in relation to blood alcohol concentration levels. Second Reading of 113  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day this House Bill. March 21, 1995 No Committee Amendments. Floor Amendments 1 and 2 have been referred to rules. A fiscal note and a correctional budget impact note have been requested on the Bill and they have been filed."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2206, Representative McAuliffe. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 2206, a Bill for an Act that amends the State Finance Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee. No Motions filed. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2207, Representative Hughes. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 2207, a Bill that amends the County's Code. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2209, Representative Hughes. Representative Hughes, 2209. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 2209, a Bill for an Act that amends the Clerks of Court Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments. No Motions."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2211, Representative Skinner. Representative Skinner. Is the Gentleman in the chamber? Out of the record. House Bill 2214, Representative Churchill. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 2214, a Bill for an Act concerning public and private cooperation for business in economic 114  35th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE March 21, 1995 development in Illinois. Second Reading of this House Bill. No committee Amendment. No Floor Amendment. No Motions."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2221. Out of the record. House Bill 2223. Out of the record. House Bill 2226, Representative Biggert. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 2226, a Bill for an Act concerning children. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments. A fiscal note had been requested on the Bill and has been filed."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2227, Representative Klingler. Representative Klingler. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 2227, a Bill for an Act concerning foster care. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. Floor Amendment #1 has been referred to rules. A fiscal note has been requested on the Bill and has been filed."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2230, Representative Cowlishaw. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 2230, a Bill for an Act that amends the School Code. Second Reading of this House Bill. Committee Amendment #1, 2, and 3 were referred to subcommittee. Floor Amendment #4, 5, and 6 have been referred to rules. A fiscal note and a state mandates note have been requested on the Bill. They have not been filed.

"Please hold this Bill on the Order of Second Reading. Mr. Clerk... House Bill 2231, Representative Black. Representative Black. House Bill 2231. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 2231, a Bill for an Act that amends 115  35th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE March 21, 1995 the Public Community College Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendment. No Floor Amendments. No Motions."

"Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, what's the status of House Bill 1841? Representative Churchill, 1841. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 1841, a Bill for an Act that amends the Illinois Research Park Authority Act. Second Reading of this Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments. No Motions."

"Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, what's the status of House Bill 2080, Representative Rutherford. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 2080 has been read a second time previously. The Bill had been held on the Order of Second pending a fiscal note request for the Bill as amended. A fiscal note has been filed on the Bill as amended."

"Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, what's the status of House Bill 597? Representative Spangler. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 597, a Bill for an Act creating the Joliet Arsenal Development Authority. No Motions. No Floor Amendments...and has not been filed."

"Please hold the Bill on Order of Second Reading. Mr. Clerk, what's the status of House Bill 199? Representative...Mr. Clerk hold on. Representative Zickus. Is the Lady in the chamber? Mr. Clerk, please call House Bill 199."

"House Bill 199 has been read a second time prior. It had been held pending a state mandates note request. A fiscal note and a state mandates note have both been filed on the Bill." 116  35th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE March 21, 1995

"Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, what's the status of House Bill 2360? Representative Wait. Representative Wait. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 2360, a Bill for an Act that amends the Regional Transportation Authority Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee. No Floor Amendments. A fiscal note has requested on the Bill as amended and it has been filed on the Bill."

"Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, what is the status of House Bill 1731?"

"House Bill 1731, a Bill for an Act to recodify the Fees and Salaries Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments. No Motions."

"Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, what the status of House Bill 1730? Representative Black."

"House Bill 1730, a Bill for an Act to revise the law by combining multiple enactments and making technical corrections. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments. No Motions."

"Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, what is the status of House Bill 1732? Representative Black. Please read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 1732, a Bill for an Act to recodify the Criminal Jurisprudence Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. Committee Amendments #1 and 2 was withdrawn. No Motions. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, what's the status of House Bill 1733?"

"House Bill 1733, a Bill for an Act to revise the law by combining multiple enactments and making 117  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day March 21, 1995 technical corrections. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments. No Motions."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2240. Representative Rutherford. (House Bill) 2240. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 2240, a Bill for an Act to create the Patient Access to Treatment Act. Second Reading of this Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments. A fiscal note has been requested on the Bill and it has not been filed."

"Hold the Bill on Second Reading. House Bill 21...I'm sorry, House Bill 2241, Representative Meyer. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 2241, the Bill has been read a second time prior. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments. A fiscal note had been requested on the Bill and has been filed."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2245, Representative O'Connor. Representative O'Connor. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 2245, a Bill for an Act in relation to transfer certain crime law functions. Second Reading of this Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee. No Motions. A pension impact note had been requested on the Bill and be filed. No fiscal note has been requested on the Bill and it has been not be filed."

"Please hold the Bill on the Order of Second Reading. Mr. Clerk. Mr. Clerk, are there any Motions with respect to House Bill 2245?"

"A pension impact note had been filed on the Bill. A fiscal note had been requested, contained within 118  35th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE March 21, 1995 the pension impact note is the fiscal impact information."

"Any other Motions filed?"

"No further Motions filed."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2247, Representative Meyer. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 2247, a Bill for an Act that amends the State Man... Finance Act. Amends the State Finance Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, House Bill 2248, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 2248, a Bill for an Act that amends the State Comptroller Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments. No Motions."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2249, Representative Rutherford. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 2249, a Bill for an Act that amends the State Finance Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee. No Motions filed. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2250, Representative Rutherford. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 2250, a Bill for an Act that amends the State Comptroller Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2251, Representative Rutherford. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 2251, a Bill for an Act that amends the Illinois State Collection Act of 1986. Second Reading of this House Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee. No Floor Amendments. A fiscal note has been requested on 119  35th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE March 21, 1995 the Bill, has not be filed."

"Please hold the Bill on the Order of Second Reading. House Bill 2263, Representative Biggert. Is the Lady in the chamber? Representative Biggert. Representative Biggert. House Bill 2263, do you want that called? Mr. Clerk, please call the Bill."

"House Bill 2263, a Bill for an Act that amends the Election Code. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments. A fiscal note has been requested on the Bill, has not been filed."

"Please hold the Bill on the Order of Second Reading. House Bill 2273, Representative Mautino. Is the Gentleman in the chamber? Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 2273, a Bill for an Act that amends the School Code. Second Reading of this House Bill. Committee Amendments #1, 2 and 3 were referred to subcommittee. No Motions. No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2278, Representative Bost, Is the Gentleman in the chamber?"

"House Bill..."

"Representative Bost. Out of the record. Oh, I'm sorry. He's down here. Please, Mr. Clerk, please call the Bill."

"House Bill 2278, a Bill for an Act amending to amend the Law Enforcement Officers, Civil Defense Workers, Civil Air Patrol Members, Paramedics, Firemen and State Employees Compensation Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. Committee Amendment #1 and 2 were referred to rules. No Floor Amendments. A fiscal note has been requested on the Bill and has not been filed."

"Please hold the Bill on the Order of Second 120  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day March 21, 1995 Reading. Mr. Clerk, House Bill 2281, Representative Lachner. Out of the record. House Bill 2284, Representative Murphy. Out of the record. House Bill 2285, Representative Hughes. Representative Hughes. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"House Bill 2285, a Bill for an Act that amends the Illinois Drainage Code. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments. No Motions."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2294, Representative Persico. Out of the record. It's the intention, Ladies and Gentlemen, it is the intention of the Chair to finish up Second Reading and then go to Third Readings in about five minutes. So I just wanted to make that announcement. We will now go to the Order of Second Reading, Senate Bills. On that order is, Senate Bill 54, Representative Black. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 54, a Bill for an Act that amends the State Police Act. Second Reading of the Senate Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments. A fiscal note had been requested on the Bill and has been filed."

"Third Reading. Senate Bill 102, Representative Wennlund. Representative Wennlund in the chamber? Mr. Clerk, let's take this out of the record for a moment. Senate Bill 113, Representative Ryder. Is the Gentleman in the chamber? Representative Ryder. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 113, a Bill for an Act that amends the Mental Health and Developmental Disabilities Code. Second Reading of this Senate Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments. A fiscal note and judicial note have been requested and filed on the Bill." 121  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day

March 21, 1995 "Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, we will now go back to Senate Bill 102, Representative Wennlund. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 102, a Bill for an Act that amends the Illinois Pension Code. Second Reading of the Senate Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments. A fiscal note and a pension impact note have been requested on the Bill, they have been filed."

"Third Reading. Senate Bills, First Reading, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bills First Reading. Senate Bill 8, offered by Representative Deering, a Bill for an Act concerning Public Aid. Senate Bill 43, offered by Representative Black, a Bill for an Act concerning Bees and Apiaries. Senate Bill 52, offered by Representative Julie Curry, a Bill for an Act concerning school property and transportation. Senate Bill 58, offered by Representative Deering, a Bill for an Act that amends the Horse Racing Act of 1975. Senate Bill 67, offered by Representative Holbrook, a Bill for an Act that amends the Township Code. Senate Bill 68, offered by Representative Feigenholtz, a Bill for an Act that amends the Environmental Protection Act. Senate Bill 72, offered by Representative Santiago, a Bill for an Act that amends the Illinois Vehicle code. Senate Bill 74, offered by Representative Maureen Murphy, a Bill for an Act that amends the Private Employment Agency Act. Senate Bill 82, offered by Representative Fantin, a Bill for an Act that amends the Illinois Municipal Code. Senate Bill 93, offered by Representative Stephens, a Bill for an Act that amends the University Retail Sales Act. Senate Bill 104. Senate Bill 108, offered by Representative Brady, a Bill for an Act in relation to use and occupation 122  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day March 21, 1995 taxes. Senate Bill 118, offered by Representative McGuire, a Bill for an Act that amends the Illinois Vehicle Code. Senate Bill 150, offered by Representative Hannig, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Senate Bill 157, offered by Representative Churchill, a Bill for an Act that amends the Illinois Vehicle Code. Senate Bill 164, offered by Representative Cowlishaw, a Bill for an Act that amends the School Code. Senate Bill 210, offered by Representative Black, a Bill for an Act that amends the Public Community College Act. Senate Bill 176, offered by Representative Feigenholtz, a Bill for an Act to amend the Mental Health and Developmental Disabilities Confidentiality Act. Senate Bill 214, offered by Representative Novak, a Bill for an Act that amends the Environmental Protection Act. Senate Bill 215, offered by Representative Mitchell, a Bill for an Act that amends the Retailers' Occupation Tax Act. Senate Bill 237, offered by Representative Novak, a Bill for an Act that amends the Vehicle Code. Senate Bill 249, offered by Representative Phelps, a Bill for an Act that amends the Longtime Owner Occupant Property Tax Relief Act. Senate Bill 271, offered by Representative Erwin, a Bill for an Act that amends the Unified Code of Corrections. Senate Bill 285, offered by Representative McGuire, a Bill for an Act in relation to use and occupation taxes. Senate Bill 288, offered by Representative Scott, a Bill for an Act that amends the Property Tax Code. Senate Bill 292, offered by Representative Cowlishaw, a Bill for an Act relating to persons with disabilities. Senate Bill 300, offered by Representative Ryder, a Bill for an Act that amends the State Finance Act. Senate Bill 313, offered by Representative Ryder, a Bill for an Act concerning roller skating rink safety. Senate Bill 362, offered by 123  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day March 21, 1995 Representative Howard, a Bill for an Act that amends the Department of Mental Health and Developmental Disabilities Act. Senate Bill 363, offered by Representative Boland, a Bill for an Act that amends the Illinois Vehicle Code. Senate Bill 365, offered by Representative Parke, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Senate Bill 370, offered by Representative Mike Smith, a Bill for an Act that amends the Property Tax Code. Senate Bill 371, offered by Representative Kenner, a Bill for an Act to amend the Property Tax Code. Senate Bill 396, offered by Representative Kenner, a Bill for an Act to amend the Property Tax Code. Senate Bill 404, offered by Representative Boland, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Emergency Management Agency Act. Senate Bill 420, offered by Representative Lindner, a Bill for an Act to amend the Children and Family Services Act. Senate Bill 452, offered by Representative Moffitt, a Bill for an Act to amend the Radiation Protection Act of 1990. Senate Bill 454, offered by Representative Feigenholtz, a Bill for an Act concerning farm produce. Senate Bill 529, offered by Representative Gash, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Senate Bill 567, offered by Representative Hanrahan, a Bill for an Act creating the Economic Development Project Area Tax Increment Allocation Act of 1995. Senate Bill. First Reading and Introduction of these Senate Bills."

"We will now proceed to the Order of House Bills, Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, please read House Bill 113. Representative Cross."

"House Bill 113, a Bill for an Act that amends the Hazing Act. Third Reading of this House Bill."

"Representative Cross."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This Bill is an attempt to clean 124  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day March 21, 1995 up the definition of hazing to withstand some constitutional scrutiny in the past as well as enhance the penalty when hazing is committed. This arose out of an incident at Western Illinois, when a young man from my hometown in Oswego died in a hazing accident. His mother since then has been a proponent of changing this law, as have I and many others. Worked with Representative Hoffman, the States Attorney's Association, as well as others to try to draft languages. As I said earlier, that will withstand constitutional scrutiny. The young men that were involved in hazing incident were not found guilty of hazing because the judge in that county indicated that the statute was unclear. I'll be glad to try to answer any questions. I think it's fairly straight forward but I would appreciate your 'yes' vote."

"The Gentleman has moved to pass House Bill 113. Is there any discussion? The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from St. Clair, Representative Hoffman."

"Thank you, Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"Sponsor indicates he'll yield."

"Representative, this would create, I believe...I believe this would Class IV felony in the event that there is aggravated hazing, is that correct?"

"Representative Cross."

"Representative, it becomes a Class IV felony when the hazing results in great bodily harm or death. And if it doesn't, if either one of those scenarios don't happen then it is a Class A misdemeanor."

"Representative Hoffman."

"It is my understanding, Representative, I was the chief Sponsor last year of this Bill and I believe this is the same Bill as last year, isn't that correct? However, there 125  35th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE March 21, 1995 were some concerns regarding the language of last year's Bill. I think that concerns have been cleared up, is that right?"

"Representative Cross."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Representative, you and I...you originally Sponsored this and added me as a Co-Sponsor last year. After that, Representative, I ended up discussing with the Senate, Senator Hawkinson, some of the specifics of the Bill. And this is a result of working with him as well as you and the States Attorney's Association. So it may not be in the identical form as when you started out but it's...we think its been cleaned up now. And I do appreciate your help on it."

"Representative Hoffman."

"Thank you, Representative. I believe that this is...is a good Bill whose time certainly has come. I certainly think that...that this Act of hazing because of what the courts have done and striking down the Act and subsequently having to make some very serious changes to the law which really enhance the penalty is very positive. I only wish that we could go a little further and repeal the fact that there still would be good time given with regard to this...to this piece of legislation. Still, I think it's a good piece of legislation and I urge everybody to vote in favor of it."

"The Chair would remind the Body that the matter is on Short Debate. We have a sufficient number of individuals who requested that it be taken off the Order of Short Debate. Are there...is there any further discussion? The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Rock Island, Representative Brunsvold."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Gentleman yield?" 126  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day March 21, 1995

"The Gentleman indicates he'll yield."

"Representative Cross, where have you drawn the line. Now give me an example because, you know, we've gone through most of us on this floor that have been through hazing and the particular colleges we where in. Where have you drawn the line on this hazing operation and you and I both know it's going to go on to some degree, where is that line?"

"Representative Cross." If "Representative, I'm not trying to be evasive. I'm not sure where the line is, it's going to be a matter for a judge or a jury to decide. The language is fairly clear that if...and I'll read it as quickly as I can. A person commits hazing, who knowingly requires the performance of any act by a student or other person in a school, college, university or other educational institution for the purpose of induction or admission to any group or organization. that act is not sanctioned or authorized by the institution and the act results in bodily harm. I think it's a pretty early line, I think you're reaching fairly soon. And I think back, I happen to be in a fraternity when I was in college, and I look back at some of the things we did and we probably crossed the line and were just fortunate we didn't have great bodily harm or death. So I try to answer your question, I think the line is drawn early. And it...we've got to do something to stop the deaths and they've been happening with some frequency around the State of Illinois."

"Representative Brunsvold."

"Well, everyone agrees with that Representative Cross. No one wants to see any students injured because of some fraternity or sorority ritual and we don't want that to 127  35th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE March 21, 1995 happen. Yet we know that, that there are initiation rights as part of this process. Are you saying to me then that...that if a college sanctions a fraternity or sorority for an activity then that is okay? And they can go through a procedure of mental stress on individuals?"

"Representative Cross."

"The Bill...Representative, the Bill and you're asking a good question and I'm not trying to avoid it. The Bill does...avoid answering...the Bill does say that the act...the act, if the act is not sanctioned or authorized by that educational institution. So in answer to your question, I think it's yes. But I'll give you an example, at Western where this young man died, it was a rugby team and they gave this young man an incredibly large amount of alcohol and he died from alcohol poisoning. He had over a 4.0 and the university didn't sanction it and it was an event or an act that this rugby club did on their own and it was an act that the young man had to perform in order to get into the club. So under this Bill I think we would...it would apply."

"Representative Brunsvold."

"When I was at Augustana College we went through what was called hell week. That's very much like what we're doing now this week. We went through hell week. Is this going to eliminate hell week?"

"Representative Cross."

"Representative, I don't know if it's going to eliminate hell week but I think it requires the fraternities and sororities to take a stronger look at what they're doing during hell Week. I went through hell week at Illinois Wesleyan because I couldn't get into Augustana, so I had to go to Wesleyan. But I think we're all going...they're all 128  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day March 21, 1995 going to have to take other...the Greek System as a whole is going to have to take a harder look at what their and the universities at what they're sanctioning and not sanctioning. I don't think it necessary precludes hell week but we're going to have to look at a little stronger what we're allowing to go on during hell week."

"Representative Brunsvold."

"Certain activities might be very harmless in their proceedings. Example, rolling down hills, smoking cigars under blankets and things like that. Those are pretty harmless activities. I suppose some place down the line someone may have a problem with something like that, that maybe totally unforeseen by anyone. Very harmless activity that might result in a bodily injury of some sort. Now is the judge going to be able to decipher this situation?"

"Representative Cross."

"Well, Representative, there is a requirement of knowingly, or the language knowingly in this legislation and you're going to have to prove that as a prosecutor and I think the judge or the jury will have the opportunity to make a decision as whether or not hazing is committed or it takes place."

"Representative Brunsvold, you have about 18 seconds now... Representative Mautino wishes to allot his five minutes to Representative Brunsvold. Representative Brunsvold."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Just...I'm just trying..."

"Representative Brunsvold."

"I'm just trying to define here, for the record Representative Cross, what can be done and what cannot be done because I feel that there ought to be some sort of a initiation period in a fraternity or sorority. And I agree 129  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day March 21, 1995 with you it shouldn't be harmful, we don't want that to happen, we don't want it to happen to anybody. But there is a process that you go through that unites those individuals. Each pledge class, for example, has a unity thing they go through and I don't want to stop that because I think that's good. Can they still proceed to do those unity things as pledge class? Because I don't want to eliminate all of that."

"Representative Cross."

"Joe I don't either and I think... I understand the point you're making and I, as I said earlier, I went through the same thing. All I...all this Bill attempts to do is to, not all, I think it is a significant Bill. It says, don't cross that line fraternities, draw in...let's bring in what you've been doing. Giving an 18 year old kid a bottle of vodka and a case of beer and putting he or she in a trunk and saying drink this and then you can come out crosses the line. Now we both know what we went through in hell week and think some of that is allowable and should be. But ultimately it going to be for a judge or jury to decide if the line's been crossed. But this forces, as I said earlier, some responsibility on the part of the fraternities and sororities and colleges and universities throughout the state."

"Representative Brunsvold."

"Would you envision the colleges and universities getting together with the fraternities and sororities and sitting down and putting together a policy to sa say what's acceptable and what's not acceptable?"

"Representative Cross."

"It possible they've been doing that already, they probably should be doing it. I know that back when I was 130  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day March 21, 1995 in school the national organization of our fraternity did just that and encouraged us to take another look at what we were doing during hell week and all during pledge...the pledge, you know, the semester pledgeship. I think the universities need to maybe take a stronger look and that's a good suggestion."

"Representative Brunsvold."

"Thank you, Representative Cross. To the Bill, Mr. Speaker."

"Representative Brunsvold, proceed."

"I agree with Representative Cross that the colleges and universities should sit down with their sororities and fraternities and other groups and set down policy to what is acceptable and what's not acceptable. And take the responsibility, not go to the situation where anyone gets hurt because we don't want that to happen. Yet we want some flexibility here SO...SO people, young people, can through initiation rites which binds them to that fraternity or sorority and that's what it's all about. That's part of the fun of being in college. And we should let them do that to a point but no one on this floor, I know, wants anyone to be hurt. So I'm going to support your Bill, Representative Cross, with that explanation of what we think they ought to do."

"Further discussion? Before we proceed to further discussion I would like to remind the Membership that when a Member is five minutes are up that a Member cannot receive a yield of time from another Member unless that Member is recognized. So, with that I would like to proceed to Representative Novak. Representative Novak."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Hi, Tom. Tom, I recall that case in Western 131  35th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE March 21, 1995 Illinois University and as you said at the beginning of your presentation of your Bill that the judge found that the current statute is vague, was that it?"

"Representative Cross."

"Representative, I don't remember if vague was the exact word the judge used. He didn't think the current statute, that's on the books now that was drafted in the early 1900's, under the facts of the case at Western he could not find him guilty and as a result he...there was no finding of guilty on any of the hazing offenses. And there are about 12...12 young men that were charged with hazing and an alcohol related offense. After the first two were found not guilty, my understanding in talking with the States Attorney, is he didn't pursue on the...he didn't pursue the others. And they pled to some, the alcohol related offense but the judge said under the current law I can't find them guilty."

"Representative Novak."

"Yes, thank you, Representative. Is the current law, granted I'm not an attorney here but I'm just curious on some aspects of this Bill and I support it, I think your idea is laudable. Is the current law or the proposed law refer to anything about conspiracy?"

"Representative Cross."

"Phil, I don't think the word conspiracy is in the current law. I'm looking now at a definition of it and I don't remember, in looking at it or what I'm looking at now, that wording in it or that phraseology."

"Representative Novak."

"Well, thank you Representative. The reason why that word came to my mind is because normally when these hazing situations are brought forward, usually they're conducted 132  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day March 21, 1995 by fraternities and sororities and they are groups of people. There is not one person that has control over 50 or 60 young men or women that says how they're going to conduct themselves during a hazing situation. Usually it's during a period of wild and unadulterated behavior and much alcohol is used in some situations as this unfortunate situation that occurred in dealing with a constituent of yours, an unfortunate situation. And the thought that came to my mind is about conspiracy. How does...how does a prosecutor know when to pinpoint or know when to go after a specific person when a person becomes either hurt to a very large degree under this Bill or becomes or dies. How does a prosecutor know which one to prosecute or to attempt to prosecute. Let's say when you have 15 or 20 people standing around in a circle, pouring beer or pouring some type of alcohol substance down the person's throat and that individual subsequently dies."

"Representative Cross."

"Phil, I think it's a tough, that's a good question, I think it's a tough, sometimes a tough case to prove. It's going to be like anyone, any case, where you're going to have to get...see who's going to be willing to testify that was there that night. Maybe some of the other students or other members of fraternity are going to talk to the police or the prosecutors. This statute, the one drafted refers to a person so it could be an individual, it could be more than one, you know, it can be up to 12. And that's going to be up to each individual prosecutor whether they think they can, you know, prove their case. I know in the case at Western all 12 guys were charged with the offensive conspiracy. And that is also going to be up to the jury and judge to decide how much responsibility they had for 133  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day the death or the great bodily harm."

"Representative Novak." March 21, 1995

"Thank you, Representative Cross, I appreciate that. One other question I had for you. Have we been successful in any other areas of the state in prosecuting any of these hazing situations? Because I know, I think, a hazing situation occurred at my alma mater, at Eastern Illinois University, were one student was thrown into some hazardous toxic substance pit down there and I think the school is under...is being subjected to a lawsuit, I believe. But I don't know if the States Attorney has brought any action against some of the fraternity members. But can you recall anywhere around the state where we've been successful in prosecuting hazing incidents?"

"Representative Cross."

"Representative, that young man's woman was in committee the day we had testimony on this Bill and I saw some photographs of that young man. I don't believe and I don't want...don't hold me to this I don't want to swear to it but I don't think the...she contacted the States Attorney's office, I don't think they wish to prosecute. I believe that's what she told me, she didn't testify. I'm not aware of any other cases. But it seemed like there was...it was either...I believe I recall her saying that the States Attorney didn't want to pursue this, but I'm not 100% sure about that, Phil."

"Representative Novak."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, thank you very much. The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Lang."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"Sponsor indicates he'll yield."

"Thank you. Representative, the fiscal note indicates, 134  35th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE March 21, 1995 from the Department of Corrections, that it would have minimal fiscal impact. How is that possible?"

"Representative Cross."

"How is...how is the impact minimal? Well, I can't...I don't believe...I hope that there aren't going to be a large...there won't be a large inflex of hazing cases filed by the States Attorney's throughout this state, I certainly hope not."

"Representative Lang."

"Your Bill discusses that it's hazing if the act is not sanctioned or authorized by the educational institution. Does this mean that...that...well let me ask you this, how is someone who is doing one of these acts in one of these fraternities to determine whether it's sanctioned? Certainly the university doesn't sanction anything with alcohol. What...how is someone suppose to determine, in a fraternity setting, what's sanctioned and what isn't sanctioned? They surely don't have a list of sanctioned activities."

"Representative Cross."

"That's a good question, Representative. I don't think...I think that's going to be a matter left up to the discretion of the officers of that fraternity or that sorority. And most of the events that we're talking about and most of the events or the accidents that have happened were not sanctioned by the university. I can't imagine a hell week or any event involving alcohol being sanctioned by university. But certainly there are events that are sanctioned and I think those are...should be clear depending upon the university."

"Representative Lang."

"Do you think it would not be a good idea to clean this up 135  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day March 21, 1995 in the Senate and have some guidelines here as to how someone is suppose to determine whether these activities are sanctioned or authorized so that there is some clarity in the law?"

"Representative Cross."

"Representative, I spent a good deal...good deal of time last fall in trying to get this out last fall but I worked with the Senate, Senator Hawkinson and others and some Senate Staff Members a great deal of time on this language. I don't know how you can be anymore specific about whether something is sanctioned or not. The university is putting on an event, I would suggest that that's a sanctioned event. If something is happening in an fraternity house or outside the fraternity house, associated with the fraternity, I suspect that is an unsanctioned event and to try to define what sanctioned is or not gets a little difficult."

"Representative Lang."

"Well, the issue is not whether the event is sanctioned but whether the activity is sanctioned. Couldn't we require universities, within the confines of your Bill, to provide a list of unsanctioned activities that fraternities, sororities, LaCrosse Clubs or whoever can engage in?"

"Representative Cross."

"Well, Representative I think...maybe...perhaps your intent I think is a good one but I'm concerned that, what about the event or the act that we miss, that's unsanctioned? And it's hard, as you know, in crafting legislation to cover every event and every angle. And I...it's very specific, if the act is not sanctioned or authorized by that educational institution, then you fall under the...then you have a problem. And I don't know how 136  35th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE March 21, 1995 you can be anymore specific than that. And I'm not...I understand you ask a good question but I think the Bill is pretty clear."

"Representative Lang."

"Thank you. There's an inconsistency in your Bill. In Section 5(b) you refer to bodily harm and Section 10 you refer to great bodily harm. There is a difference, the question is, isn't there a problem in the drafting here?"

"Representative Cross."

"Representative, that's not an inconsistency, it would be a Class A misdemeanor if the act results in bodily harm. That Section yen is the sentence section and there would be...it would be a Class IV felony when great bodily harm occurs. I don't believe there's any inconsistency there."

"Representative Lang."

"Thank you. Relative to the sentence and relative to the incarceration. Does your Bill...would your Bill still allow meritorious good time?"

"Representative Cross."

"Representative, that portion under the...it would be something under the sentencing guideline. This Bill doesn't have any bearing on good time."

"Representative Lang, you have approximately 30 seconds."

"But...but never the less, never the less, a Class IV felony is one to three which could mean one, which could mean with meritorious good time and day for day good time. A person could be out in three or four months from jail even after they've committed a Class IV felony, isn't that correct?"

"Representative Cross."

"Representative, I think that's a...that decision's left 137  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day March 21, 1995 up to the Department of Corrections and I really don't know the exact answer."

"Representative Cross, would you let Representative Cross finish his answer. Representative Cross."

"I've concluded, Mr. Speaker."

"Representative Deering. Representative Deering wishes to allot his five minutes to Representative Lang. Representative Lang, proceed."

"Thank you. I want to continue on this discussion of truth and sentencing. There was an effort to put a Truth and Sentencing Amendment on this Bill that would probably clear this problem up, Representative. But apparently you...you did not want that on your Bill because you sent that Amendment off to some oblivion. But the question is, on a Class IV felony probation is possible, isn't that correct?"

"Representative Cross."

"Representative, I...I think you're aware that probation is an available sentence on a Class IV. You know, we're talking about a young man that died in my community from a hazing accident. And I understand the politics of this place and I can appreciate what you're attempting to do. But there have been several incidences in this state where young men and women have died in hazing accidents. This is an attempt and think it's a good attempt, worked out by a lot of people, to address a serious problem. And I think this is a good solution to a serious constitutional problem that all of us have faced. Now I don't...this doesn't affect, nor do any criminal laws in this state when we start trying to clean them up, affect the sentence. That's a different part of the criminal statute. And if you want to talk about that another time, I'd be glad to. This is a 138  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day March 21, 1995 Class IV felony, it's very specific, if you think it should be a tougher penalty then maybe we can talk about that. But no one ever discussed making this a tougher penalty when I was presenting this in committee."

"Representative Lang."

"Well, thank you. The truth is that I think you have a good Representative...I'm over here...the truth is I think you have a good Bill here, I'm not against your Bill, I'm going to vote for your Bill, I'm going to give some ideas to make this Bill better. So let me ask you again, on a Class IV felony if somebody is incarcerated they get from one to three, is that correct?"

"Representative Cross."

"Yes."

"Representative Lang."

"And if...and they most likely get probation. But even if they are incarcerated, under the current laws with day to day good time and meritorious good time, they really could be out of jail in three or four months, is that correct?"

"Representative Cross."

"Representative, I think that's up to the Department of Corrections to decide when they get out."

"Representative Lang."

"But that's...that's the current law, they could be out of jail in three or four months, is that correct, Representative?"

"Representative Cross."

"I honestly don't know the answer. I do know the Department of Corrections makes the determination when they get out or when they don't get out. Now, is it possible that they won't serve three years? Yes. I do know that much." 139  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day

"Representative Lang." March 21, 1995 "If...if the goal here is to deal with hazing and I agree with you there are some nasty things going on out there and we need to deal with them and I'm going to vote for your Bill. But would it not be...would it not make sense for this Bill to look at this truth and sentencing situation and say, well if we're going to deal with this problem and we're going to make it a Class IV felony. Why don't we make sure the perpetrator stays in jail where they belong to teach them the appropriate lesson, to teach others around the State of Illinois that same lesson SO that hazing will stop. Wouldn't that be the appropriate thing to do?"

"Representative Cross."

"Well, Representative, I invite you to support the Truth and Sentencing Bill that passed out of committee last week. I think it's a good Bill and I hope we can get your support when it get voted on, on the House floor. Right now we're talking about hazing and I would encourage you to vote for this Bill."

"Representative Lang."

"Well, now that you opened the door to talk about your Truth and Sentencing Amendment and your...your legislation. Doesn't that only deal with murder?"

"Representative Cross."

"Representative, right now I've been focusing on the Hazing Bill and I don't have the Truth and Sentencing Bill in front of me."

"Representative Lang."

"Well, Representative, you're a lawyer, you just opened the door, you told me if I'm interested in truth and sentencing I should support your Truth and Sentencing Bill. So the 140  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day question is, March 21, 1995 doesn't your Truth and Sentencing Bill only deal with murder?"

"Representative Cross."

"Well, Representative, maybe I ought to look to the Speaker or Judge Ito. I think now we're talking about some irrelevant things right now, we're talking about hazing. You want to talk about truth and sentencing? There's going to be a time to talk about truth and sentencing and I'll be glad to talk about truth and sentencing at that time. But right now we're talking about hazing and I'll be glad to answer any questions I can about hazing."

"Representative Lang."

"Let me remind you, Representative, that even if it was irrelevant before, it is no longer irrelevant, you brought it into the debate. You've indicated to me that you have a Truth and Sentencing Bill. And I've asked you if that deals with hazing or if that deals only with murder. And I would like an answer to that question."

"Representative Lang, your time is expired. The Chair recognizes Representative Ackerman. For what reason do you arise?"

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Since this Bill was previously on Short Debate, I think we've spent enough time on it and I move the previous question."

"The Gentleman has moved that we...the previous question. Those in favor of moving the previous question, say 'aye'; those opposed say 'no'. The opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. Representative Cross. Those in favor of the Motion to move the previous question vote 'aye'; those opposed, vote 'no'. The voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, please take the record. On 141  35th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE March 21, 1995 this Motion, there 64 voting 'yes', 49 voting 'no', none voting 'present'. And the Motion is adopted. Representative Cross to close."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Very briefly, the language in the current statute or the current hazing statute, without a doubt, has some constitutional problems. For us to adequately address the current climate in colleges we have to rewrite the hazing statute. I think this is a good attempt at it, a lot of people have been involved on both sides of the aisle as well as over in the Senate. I think this is a good attempt in addressing a serious problem. I think it's needed and I appreciate the questions I've heard today. I think we addressed them adequately and I would appreciate a 'yes' vote. And thank you for your time, Mr. Speaker."

"The question is, 'Shall House Bill 113 pass?' All those in favor of the Bill shall vote 'aye'; all those opposed shall vote 'nay'. The voting is open. This is final action. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, please take the record. On this question, there are 114 voting 'aye', none voting 'no', none voting 'present'. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. For what reason does the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Lang, arise?"

"Thank you...thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I noticed on the last Motion to move the previous question that you tried originally to do it on a voice vote and then decided that it should be a roll call. I would like the record to reflect that we will demand a Roll Call Vote in case we forget to do it in a certain circumstance on every procedural Motion this week. Thank you very much." 142  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day March 21, 1995

"Representative Lang, as you know the Chair recognized your right for a roll call. Your voice was loud and clear. It was heard and there was a roll call. Now, Ladies and Gentlemen, we have some important announcements here before we proceed and we are going to proceed but I wanted everyone to know that dinner is now available in the Speaker's conference room. We ask, however, that you exit the door where we see Representative Brunsvold now exiting and Representative Santiago and certainly, Representative Deering. So, anybody who's interested in dinner, better get out over there very quickly. Representative Lang, for what reason do you arise?"

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Since we're between Bills, I hereby move to go to the Order of House Bill Second Reading to take up House Bill 1138. I'm joined by many of my colleagues, well more that five and if the Chair refuses to change the Order of Business, we will demand a Roll Call Vote and our Motion to do that and if the Chair refuses to give us a Roll Call Vote on that Motion, I would then ask to, to appeal the Chair's ruling and ask for Roll Call Vote on that Motion."

"Mr. Lang, we thought perhaps maybe you would make that Motion in writing. You have not made that Motion in writing SO your Motion is not in order so we will move to Representative Black's Bill on House Bill's Third Reading, House Bill 122. Mr. Clerk, please read House Bill 122."

"House Bill 122, a Bill for an Act that amends the Board of Higher Education Act. Third Reading of this House Bill."

"The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Vermilion, Representative Black."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen 143  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day of the House. March 21, 1995 This Bill started out as something different but as you learn in this process, you have to compromise if you want to get even close to where you'd like to be. Committee Amendment #1 becomes the Bill and it simply requires that with any Illinois Student Assistance Commission Entitlement Program with an appropriation higher than $10 million, ISAC will request from the General Assembly a supplemental appropriation if annual claims are likely to exceed the appropriation by more than 50% of the annual amount appropriated for this program. This is an attempt by many of us on both sides of the aisle, to get at the issue of full funding for the Illinois Veteran's grant. The Amendment goes even further and it provides that the Student Assistance Commission and the Board of Higher Ed will conduct an evaluation of the Entitlement programs administered by ISAC. This study should evaluate the programs, recent statutory changes, and evaluate the benefits provided to students under this program. I think that's a tool this General Assembly needs if we're continued to be asked to vote on additional entitlement programs. I accept the Amendment. It's a compromise and I'll be glad to answer any questions that you have."

"The Gentleman has moved for the passage of House Bill 122. Is there any discussion? The Chair recognizes the Lady from Cook, Representative Davis." Davis, M.: "Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. First, I'd like to say I think we should have our food delivered to us rather than have us wait in line the way we used to. I mean, they're waiting in line like pigs at a trough."

"Representative, Representative." Davis, M.: "And wait, this is very important. All of us do not eat meat and I understand you've got some lasagna? I don't 144  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day eat lasagna. March 21, 1995 I don't eat beef. What's in it?"

"Representative, Representative, are you prepared to address the Bill?" Davis, M.: "Sir, I think if I had some nourishment, I could address the Bill but by the time I get through with this line, this Bill will have been there for a year."

"Representative, thank you, Representative Davis. The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from St. Clare, Representative Hoffman."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I was just wondering to make sure, are the speakers working in the back now because they weren't working earlier today and I'm sure everybody would want to hear this debate since everybody is in the back at this point. I was wondering, has the speaker been fixed? Representative Black, would the Sponsor yield?"

"The Gentleman indicates he'll yield."

"Representative, I understand this Amendment was put on in committee. Could you briefly explain the Amendment and how it is different from the original Bill?"

"Representative Black."

"Representative, in all due respect, the only explanation I gave was the Committee Amendment. Amendment becomes the Bill. If you want me again, I'll be glad to do so."

"Representative Hoffman."

"Well, I apologize. The Committee to repeat it I'm certainly on this issue, Representative, I share with you the concern of ensuring that the Veteran grants are properly funded. However, I just want to, to have you please, just as briefly as you can, reiterate exactly what the Amendment does and how it exactly addresses the situation of fully funding the Veterans' grants because I'm not exactly sure that it 145  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day ensures that the Veterans' grants are going funded." March 21, 1995 to be fully

"Representative Black."

"Be glad to. The Amendment becomes the Bill. It requires that with any ISAC entitlement program that has an appropriation higher than $10 million, ISAC will request from the General Assembly a supplemental appropriation, if annual claims are likely to exceed the appropriation by more than 50% of that amount appropriated for that program. In my opinion, this will generally bring the Illinois Veterans' Grant shortfall to the attention of this Body where it belongs at that time, rather than asking as three years ago, colleges to eat about 65 cents on the dollar for Illinois Veterans' Grant. ISAC must also then make recommendations for addressing the appropriation shortfall. It goes further and the part of the Amendment that I particularly like, it requires ISAC and the Board of Higher Education to conduct an evaluation of all the entitlement programs administered by the Illinois Student Assistance Commission. I want them to evaluate the programs, all recent statutory changes, and evaluate the benefits provided to students under this program and this study should then make recommendations regarding benefit levels and appropriate methods of funding. I think once we get that, we'll all in this chamber be a little more capable of making  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE March 21, 1995 35th Legislative Day

"Representative Black."

"I, I would assume that, no, that's not the only program. I know the monetary award is certainly much higher than that. My guess is that the 10 million figure is probably the low end."

"Representative Hoffman."

"So, so the practical effect of this Bill would be to affect other types of scholarships or tuition waivers or entitlements, I should say, entitlements before ISAC, not only the Veterans' Grant."

"Representative Black."

"Let, let me correct a mistake. Thank goodness we have good staff on both sides of the aisle. The IVG is the only entitlement program that meets this requirement. I'm sorry, I was incorrect."

"Representative Hoffman, you have approximately 27 seconds. Representative Scott, gives Representative Hoffman his five minutes. Representative Hoffman."

"I only have a couple more brief questions, Representative. Like I said, I too am in favor of ensuring that this is properly funded. I know that 1993, we had a $6.4 million shortfall. In '94, 7.6 and '95, $3 million and each year we continually ask community colleges and four year institutions to eat this entitlement that we have passed. Representative, what concerns me a little bit is the 50% amount. So, in other words, if we believe that the supplemental appropriations, or excuse me, if we believe that the amount that's going to be spent is going to be 50% more than the annual amount appropriated, then we have to come in for a supplemental appropriation. What if it is 45% or 40%? Shouldn't we be doing that anyway, just to ensure that the community colleges receive their money and 147  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day March 21, 1995 the four year institutions receive their money?"

"Representative Black."

"Well, I think that's exactly what I tried to address in the original Bill and I know many of us on both sides of the aisle, have as well, on the Illinois Veterans' Grant. The only problem with that is I, I doubt, I don't know if I could have gotten the votes to pass that because had we been able to mandate full funding for Illinois Veterans' Grant, then something else is going to be robbed to pay that. As I say, this is a compromise that I'm not totally happy with but at least it puts the Illinois Veterans' Program clearly back in this chamber where we still have time to act on it. The very year that you just mentioned, many of us didn't know until the community colleges were stuck with 60 cents on the dollar, in some cases, more than that. So it simply is an attempt and I hope a reasonable attempt, to move toward where you and I want to be and that's full funding of the Veterans' Grant but sometimes you can't make all those steps in one year."

"Representative Hoffman."

"Just a restatement, Mr. Speaker, I certainly applaud what the Sponsor's attempting to do however, I think I like the first, the original Bill better. This Bill, although I think everyone probably should vote for it, I'm not so sure that's it going to kick in for many years to come. What the Sponsor indicated is that actually what the community colleges were receiving is around 60 on the dollar. If that is true, then it wouldn't have met the criteria of being over 50% over spent. My concern is that what I would like to make sure is that if, if we are over spending this line item and they're eating it, what we want to make sure of is that we do address it in an orderly and timely 148  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day March 21, 1995 fashion. Although I'm going to vote for this Bill, I kind of wish we could vote for the original, the original Bill."

"Again, I would remind the Body if you would look at the Calendar, this Bill is on Short Debate. Okay. Representative. The Chair recognizes a Gentleman from Cook, Representative Lang."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"The Sponsor indicates he'll yield."

"Thank you. Representative, can you explain to us again and perhaps I wasn't listening but I'm not quite sure I understand why we need this Bill. Can you give us a thumbnail about why we need to do this?"

"Representative Black."

"Really, really, very simple, those of us who have community colleges in our district or have worked in community colleges, know that we've fought in this chamber for years and I know Representative Weaver at one time led the charge to force ISAC to live up to its, its responsibilities in the Illinois Veterans' Grant. At one time, not many years ago, they tried to say it was a discretionary grant and we knew full well that, that was not the intent of the enabling legislation SO Representative Weaver and others made sure that ISAC clearly understood it was an entitlement program that was the intent of the General Assembly when they passed it. Then if seemed as if year after year, the appropriations for the Illinois Veterans' Grant, and I need to correct another mistake that I gave to Representative Hoffman that seem that the appropriations would only perhaps pay 30¢, not 60, only 30¢ on the dollar that were being billed for Veterans tuition claims at colleges and universities. And so this is, this Bill is really the culmination of a many, 149  35th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE March 21, 1995 many year effort to try and elevate the importance and to give this Body a little more direct control over a grant entitlement program that's very important to the State of Illinois, particularly now as we see the downsizing in the military. I believe it'll be an even more important program in the years to come. It is as Representative Hoffman says, a compromise. I favored the original Bill, too but sometimes, you just can't accomplish everything you want in any particular year. So it's a start, a reasonable compromise and one I hope you can support."

"Representative Lang."

"Thank you. Why is this threshold 50% as opposed to 40, 30, 20, or 10%?"

"Representative Black."

"I, I really don't know, probably something that ISAC and I agreed on. I guess one of the things that pops into your mind is 50/50, we'll split on a compromise. We'll meet in the middle. I don't think there's anything magical about the number."

"Representative Lang."

"Well, by making it 50%, Representative, don't you accept a shortfall? For instance, won't you be accepting an $11 million shortfall? Aren't you saying that's now acceptable for FY96?"

"Representative Black."

"I, a 50% shortfall of anything over the 20 million, I think the budget for next year's 22 million. So, if you want to use that figure in an ll million shortfall, while it would be disastrous, what I'm attempting to alleviate is the years when they will be a 65 or a 70 or a 75% shortfall."

"Representative Lang." 150  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day March 21, 1995

"Well, my only question here is, why don't we either, why don't we lower this threshold and require this supplemental appropriation and this study and all this, once we exceed the, the dollars allocated? Aren't we otherwise passing some significant costs on to the public, to the colleges?"

"Representative Black."

"Well, we may well do that but I think and if you and I are here in subsequent years, I know we'll work together to get to where we want to be. The budget situation is a little, shall we say fluid, for the next year. The appropriations committees are just beginning their work. I accepted the figure, the amendatory figure from ISAC in hopes that we could at least begin a dialogue on why the funding for the Illinois Veterans' Grant has been such a problem for the last six, seven years. I think the key, the key in what finally persuaded me to accept this amendatory language is, in fact, the study we're requiring them to do in giving this Body specific detailed information on all of these entitlement programs, how they work, what the benefit ratio is, so that we can in the next appropriation cycle perhaps, take this Bill if it advances through the process, and certainly lower the threshold. It would be my intent some, at some point, to move to a 100% funding of the Illinois Veterans' Grant."

"Representative Lang, your time is just about to expire. Representative Schakowsky is offering her time. Representative Lang, to continue."

"Thank you. Can you put the time up on the board so I'm not cut off? Thank you."

"Representative Lang."

"Thank you very much. I still don't understand though, Representative, why we're going to accept this shortfall. 151  35th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE March 21, 1995 If you're going to make this change, why don't you make the change in a way that would allow a smaller shortfall to be accepted? Why do we allow an $ll million shortfall, where we're going to pass these costs on to the public colleges? It doesn't make any sense to me. Why wouldn't we, why wouldn't we, if we're going to make this change, and I admit a change should be made, why do we make this change?"

"Representative Black."

"Well, I think as in any, any process, you count heads and see what you think you can pass. The original Bill, I don't think believe I had support to even get out of committee, let alone to pass on the Floor, even though our sentiments might be in similar vein, you and I particularly. It's that first step. Do I like the fact that we might have an $ll million shortfall? No, I don't. It's been worse than that in the past but I think the Bill has already started to work in that we have seen a significant, you'll notice the low number of the Bill, we've already seen a significant increase in the proposed appropriation for the Illinois Veterans' Grant for next year. If we can enact this, I think we will get ISAC'S attention and then all of us on this Floor will end up, I think, where we want to be. I think our only difference tonight is that we, some of use want to get there quicker, some of us want to take bigger steps, and in negotiating on any Bill, you get to a point where you accept, as I have with this Committee Amendment, a reasonable compromise that I think is doable, and probably as fair and equitable a Bill as we can pass this year. Certainly, it's more fair to the community colleges who have not had any protection under this program for the last several years. So, if the art of compromise is that nobody's really happy with it, 152  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day March 21, 1995 then I think I probably have reached a masterpiece."

"Representative Lang."

"Why do you limit this just to this one program? If this is good government, wouldn't it be good government in every program? Why do we require every department and every agency to report to come back for a supplemental in this way and to have these programs where they report to the General Assembly and the Governor and provide their proposed solutions?"

"Representative Black."

"It's certainly something that someone could provide. Several of us in this chamber have simply been concerned with the attention focused on the Illinois Veterans Grant over the last few years and have also been somewhat chagrined at the relatively low amounts of money that were being appropriated for an entitlement program and I think again, this represents a step in a particular program that many of us have been tracking and not happy with for the last five or six years and for all the other programs of government, well, I've got a couple more Bills on some of those as well. But, I, I, this is a narrowly focused Bill on a program that have given many of us, many sleepless nights and many fits, and many an argument with the Student Assistance Commission. So, we've tried to focus on this particular grant that we had a history of trouble and difficulty with."

"Representative Lang."

"You've indicated in the... the Bill that the Commission should notify all these various people of the shortfall and recommended a solution. Are there any guidelines as to what that solution should be? Are there any teeth in the Bill that would require anybody who this information is 153  35th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE March 21, 1995 being reported to do, to do any single thing about it?"

"Representative Black."

"No, there are no specific requirements or guidelines. I think and it's those of us who have been here more than a term or two understand a couple of things. And let me just say this on the record. Sometimes you have to get an agency's attention before you can really sit down with them and discuss concerns. I think Democrats, Republicans, whatever, I think we have gotten the attention of the Illinois Student Assistance Commission over the past year or two with our concerns on the Illinois Veterans Grant. I trust this agency, whatever rules they need they can promulgate with JCAR, and I certainly trust JCAR. And I would be somewhat amazed if ISAC chooses, should this Bill become law, to slough it off. I don't think they'll do that. Do I have a guarantee? No, I don't."

"Representative Lang, they are ll seconds left and Representative Mautino, who was seeking recognition, has graciously given you his time. Representative Lang, please proceed."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Representative, you really didn't answer my question, although you answered a question I was going to ask. The question was, what guidelines are there for the commission to offer their solution to these shortfall problems?"

"Representative Black."

"Other than, other than language pertaining to what I want in this study, no specific guidelines, no, no specific requirements."

"Representative Lang."

"And what teeth are there in these recommendations? Is the Governor obliged to anything with them? Is the General 154  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day Assembly obliged to do anything with them?"

"Representative Black." March 21, 1995

"Well, let's look at it this way. We can look at it in the theoretical and philosophical mode or we can look at it in the mode that you and I understand perhaps better than many in this chamber. If this agency wants to slough this Bill off, should it become law, and there's certainly no guarantee of that, if they don't want to make those recommendations, if they don't want to move toward full funding of the Illinois Veterans' Grant and they try to bamboozle Representative Lang or Representative Black or Representative Weaver, Representative Stephens or anybody on this floor, if they don't do what the intent of this legislation is, whether I'm here or not, I would feel very sorry for the Illinois Student Assistance Commission. This Bill is designed to get their attention and I think we've done so. Now, could it be stronger? Could I put, 'you shall, you must', I suppose we could have. But in the spirit of trying to work out a reasonable compromise on a very, sometimes very emotional Bill, I might add, over the last few years, I think this Amendment will accomplish what many of us want to accomplish."

"Representative Lang."

"Well, you, you expounded upon your, expanded your answer regarding what teeth there are to require the commission to do this job. The question I really asked you, Representative, was what teeth are there to require the Governor to do anything with this information or the General Assembly to do anything with this information? Could not under your Bill we get this proposed solution by the commission and do nothing with it?"

"Representative Black." 155  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day

"I, I don't think so. I March 21, 1995 I've been around here long enough to know that there's all kinds of things that can happen with legislation or not happen as a result of legislation but think the study language is relatively clear in requiring the supplemental appropriation request is rather clear. I don't think the Amendment says, 'will you please do this'. I think if the Governor signs this into law, it says the General Assembly says, 'you shall do this' and I have enough confidence in ISAC that they'll do that."

"Representative Lang."

"Well, let me simply remind you, Representative, that we appoint all kinds of task forces and all kinds of boards and all kinds of commissions and we give them the power and responsibility to make recommendations and we ignore them all the time and so while I understand what you're trying to do with your Bill and I intend to vote for your Bill. I'm simply suggesting to you that there's a hole here in the Bill and if we get this report and we're not obligated or obliged to do anything with it, if the Governor gets this report and he's not obligated or obliged to do anything with it, then the solutions proposed have no real value whatsoever. And so I'm simply suggesting to you that when you get this Bill out of here and I'm sure you will, that you suggest to your Senate Sponsor some language that will fill in these holes so that what you're trying to do has some real teeth and some real meaning. I intend to support your Bill."

"Any further discussion? The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Tazewell, Representative Ackerman."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I believe this Short Debate Bill has received enough debate and I move the previous question." 156  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day March 21, 1995

"The Gentleman has moved the previous question. All those in favor of the Motion, will say 'aye'; all those in favor of the Motion will vote 'aye'; those opposed will vote 'no'. The voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, please take the record. On this Motion, there are 64 voting 'aye', 49 voting 'no', none voting 'present' and the Motion is adopted. Representative Black, Representative Black to close."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I, I appreciate the full, full debate on this Bill. The comments from my colleagues from the other side are well taken but a lot of times the process demands and requires compromise and being able to settle for a...a yard gained, rather than perhaps a 60-yard touchdown. I think all of you that have expressed your interest in th Illinois Veterans' Grant Program will find this Bill to your liking. If the Senate chooses to toughen it up, that's fine with me. I ask your favorable vote?"

"The question is, 'Shall House Bill 122 pass?' All those in favor will vote 'aye'; all those opposed will vote 'no'. The voting is now open. This is final action. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, please take the record. On this question, there are 113 voting 'aye', none voting 'no', none voting 'present' and this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Johnson in the Chair." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "We're now going to go to the Order of House Bill Second Reading and at least proceed through that during dinner and perhaps thereafter. Mr. Clerk, read House Bill 285. Representative Novak." 157  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day

March 21, 1995 "House Bill 285, a Bill for an Act in relation to underground storage tanks. Second Reading of this House Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee. No Motions have been filed. No further Floor Amendments." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read House Bill 423. Representative Myers."

"House Bill 423 is been read a second time previously." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Out of the record. Mr. Clerk, read House Bill 424."

"House Bill 424, a Bill for an Act amending the Department of Veterans' Affairs Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Third Reading. House Bill 427, Representative Maureen Murphy."

"House Bill 427, a Bill for an Act amending the Illinois Income Tax Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Third Reading. House Bill 428, Representative Murphy. Out of the record. House Bill 431, Representative Maureen Murphy. Out of the record. House Bill 436, Representative Maureen Murphy. Proceed, Mr. Clerk. Read House Bill..."

"House Bill 436, a Bill for an Act amending the Charitable Games Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Third Reading. House Bill 438, Representative Hughes. Out of the record. House Bill 439, Representative Maureen Murphy. Out of the record. House Bill 549, Representative Saviano. Representative Saviano. Out of the record, we'll return to that. House Bill 565, 158  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day March 21, 1995 Representative Wennlund. Out of the record. House Bill 741, Representative Biggert. Out of the record. House Bill 779, Representative Hannig. Representative Hannig is not in his seat. Out of the record. House Bill 797, Representative Cowlishaw. Out of the record. House Bill 885, Representative Balthis. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 885, a Bill for an Act in relation to municipalities. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. Floor Amendment #1 has been referred to rules. A fiscal note, a fiscal note as amended has been requested on the Bill." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "This Bill will be held on the Order of Second Reading. House Bill 891, Representative Krause. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 891, a Bill for an Act concerning certain health insurance benefits. Second Reading of this House Bill. Committee Amendment #1 has been referred to rules. Floor Amendment #2 has also been referred to rules. No further Floor Amendments. A fiscal note has been requested on the Bill and the note has been filed." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Third Reading. House Bill 892, Representative Krause. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 892, a Bill for an Act concerning insurance. Second Reading of this House Bill. Amendment #1 failed in committee. Floor Amendment #2 has been referred to rules. The fiscal note that was requested on the Bill has been filed." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Third Reading. House Bill 995, Representative Cowlishaw. Out of the record. House Bill 996, Representative Cowlishaw. Out of the record. House Bill 1025, Representative Cross. Representative, you wish to proceed? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill." 159  35th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE March 21, 1995

"House Bill 1025, a Bill for an Act amending the Mortgage Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. Committee Amendment #1 was referred to committee. No Floor Amendments." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Third Reading. House Bill 1044, Representative Saviano. Out of the record. House Bill 1109, Representative Kubik. House Bill 1109. Out of the record and we'll come back. House Bill 1116, Representative Cross. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 1116, a Bill for an Act amending the Mechanics Lien Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Third Reading. House Bill 1138, Representative Lang. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 1138, a Bill for an Act amending the Illinois Marriage and Dissolution of Marriage Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. Committee Amendments 1 and 2 have been referred to subcommittee. Floor Amendments 3 and 4 have been referred to rules. The fiscal note that was requested on the Bill has been filed. A state mandate's note and a judicial note are pending." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "The Bill will be held on Second Reading. House Bill 1171, Representative Kubik. Out of the record. House Bill 1172, Representative Kubik. Out of the record. House Bill 1200, Representative Kubik. Out of the record. House Bill 1322, Representative Ryder. Out of the record. House Bill 1398, Representative Wyvetter Younge. Out of the record. House Representative Wyvetter Younge. Bill 1461, Representative Kubik. Out of the record. House Bill 1462, Representative Kubik. Out of the record. House Bill 1465, Representative Kubik. Out of the record. House Bill 1484, Representative Meyer. Representative Meyer, 160  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day House Bill 1484. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill." March 21, 1995

"House Bill 1484, a Bill for an Act amending the Illinois Human Rights Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments. The fiscal note that was requested on the Bill has been filed." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Third Reading. House Bill 1526, Representative Spangler. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 1526, a Bill for an Act amending the Environmental Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Third Reading. House Bill 1538, Representative Leitch. Representative Leitch on House Bill 1538. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 1538, a Bill for an Act amending the Illinois Vehicle Code. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "The Sponsor's indicated he wishes to take the Bill out of the record. House Bill 1596, Representative Deuchler. Out of the record. House Bill 1654, Representative Cross. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 1654, a Bill for an Act to amend the Criminal Code of 1961. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments. The correctional budget and impact note that was requested on the Bill and the fiscal note have been filed." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Third Reading. House Bill 1661, Representative Pedersen. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 1661, a Bill for an Act amending the Illinois Public Aid Code. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments. The fiscal note that was requested on the Bill has been filed." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Third Reading. House Bill 1677, 161  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day March 21, 1995 Representative Cowlishaw. Out of the record. House Bill 1696, Representative Winkel. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill. The Clerk has informed me that this Bill has already been moved to the Order Third Reading. It will remain on the Order of Third Reading. House Bill 1879, Representative Saviano. Out of the record. House Bill 1988, Representative Cowlishaw. Out of the record. House Bill 2083, Representative Ryder. Out of the record. House Bill 2122, Representative Skinner. Representative Skinner. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2122, a Bill for an Act amending the Unified Code of Corrections. Second Reading of this House Bill. Committee Amendment #1 has been referred to rules. Committee Amendment #2 has been referred to subcommittee. Amendment #3 was adopted in committee. Floor Amendments 4 and 5 have been referred to rules. No Motions have been filed. The fiscal note and the corrections budget impact note that were requested on the Bill have been filed." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Third Reading. House Bill 2294, Representative Persico. Out of the record. House Bill 2330, Representative Zickus. Representative Zickus? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2330, a Bill for an Act concerning public health. Second Reading of this House Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee. This Bill was held on the Order of Second Reading pending the distribution of Committee Amendment #1. That Amendment has now been distributed." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Third Reading. Now it is the intention of the Chair to return to Bills where Sponsors were not present on the House Floor to give them the opportunity to move their Bill from Second to Third Reading. House Bill 162  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day March 21, 1995 549, Representative Saviano. Representative Saviano, 549. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 549, a Bill for an Act in relation to the Practice of locksmithing. Second Reading of this House Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee. No Motions have been filed. No Floor Amendments. The fiscal note that was requested on the Bill has been filed." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Third Reading. House Bill 741, Representative Biggert. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 741, a Bill for an Act amending the Illinois Human Rights Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee. No Motions have been filed. No Floor Amendments. The fiscal note that was requested on the Bill has been filed." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Third Reading. We'll return to House Bill 427, Representative Maureen Murphy. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 427..." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "What's the status Mr. Clerk, of House Bill 427?"

"House Bill 427 has been moved to Third Reading." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "What's the status Mr. Clerk, of House Bill 428?"

"House Bill 428, a Bill for an Act amending the Illinois Income Tax Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "On House Bill 428, Representative Maureen Murphy. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"No Committee Amendments. Floor Amendment #1 has been referred to rules. No further Floor Amendments." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, what's the status of House Bill 430." 163  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day

"House Bill 430, a Bill for an Act Service Use Tax Act. March 21, 1995 amending the Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "House Bill 430, Representative Maureen Murphy. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

Representative Maureen Murphy. Clerk Rossi: "The Bill has been read a second time previously." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Third Reading. House Bill 431, Mr. Clerk, read the Bill." for an Act amending the Second Reading of this House No Floor Amendments."

"House Bill 431, a Bill Service Occupation Tax Act. Bill. No Committee Amendments. Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Third Reading. status of House Bill 436." Mr. Clerk, what's the

"House Bill 436 has been moved to Calendar Order, Third Reading." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Mr. Clerk, what's the status of House Bill 439."

"House Bill 439, a Bill for an Act amending the Second Reading of this House Floor Amendment #1 has Speaker Bingo License and Tax Act. Bill. No Committee Amendments. been referred to rules." Johnson, Tim: "Third Reading. House Bill 779. Representative Hannig. Out of the record. House Bill 797, Representative Cowlishaw. Out of the record. House Bill 1044, Representative Saviano. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 1044, a Bill for an Act amending the Real Estate License Act of 1983. Second Reading of this House Bill. Amendments." No Committee Amendments. No Floor Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Third Reading. House Bill... House Bill 1109, Representative Kubik. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 1109, a Bill for an Act amending the 164  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day March 21, 1995 Metropolitan Water Reclamation District Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Third Reading. House Bill 1171, Representative Kubik. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 1171, a Bill for an Act in relation to Property Taxes. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Third Reading. House Bill 1172, Representative Kubik. Representative Kubik on House Bill 1172. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 1172, a Bill for an Act in relation to Property Taxes. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Third Reading. House Bill 1200, Representative Kubik. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 1200, a Bill for an Act concerning Public Aid. Second Reading of this House Bill. Amendment...Committee Amendment #1, has been referred to rules. No further Floor Amendments. The fiscal note that was requested on the Bill has been filed." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Third Reading. Representative...House Bill 1461, Representative Kubik. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 1461, a Bill for an Act amending the Metropolitan Water reclamation District Act. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Third Reading. House Bill 1462, Representative Kubik. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 1462, a Bill for an Act amending the Regional Transportation Authority Act. Second Reading of 165  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day March 21, 1995 this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Third Reading. House Bill 1465, Representative Kubik. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 1465, a Bill for an Act amending the Property Tax Code. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Third Reading. House Bill 2294, Representative Persico. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 2294, a Bill for an Act amending the Illinois Vehicle Code. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Third Reading. If we could just have your indulgence a moment here. The Chair would inform the House that it's the intention of the Chair to return to the Orders of...to the Order of House Bills, Third Reading. Now proceed to the Order of House Bills, Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read House Bill 150."

"House Bill 150, a Bill for an Act amending the Illinois Municipal Code. Third Reading of this House Bill." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "On the Bill, Representative Cross."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This is a very specific Bill and...or a Bill that addresses very specific problems for the Prestbury Citizen Association that would allow them to incorporated...there are some minor adjustments in the language that would allow them, give them the authority to incorporate. There was no opposition in committee. I'd be glad to answer any questions." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Is there any discussion?"

"I'd appreciate a 'yes' vote." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "On the question, the Gentleman from Cook, 166  35th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE March 21, 1995 Representative Lang."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. First, I'm joined by sufficient number of colleagues to take this off of Short Debate. Can you acknowledge that..." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Your so recognized. Proceed, Representative."

"Thank you. Thank you very much. Representative this looks to me like special legislation. Can you explain...can you explain what you really want to do here and whether this is special legislation that would only affect a very small community in Illinois." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Cross."

"Representative, this is language, that if you look at it affect an area in a county that has no more than 316,000 people but fewer than 318, and then a square mileage requirement of just one and then inhabitants of 1,000 to 1,500." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Lang."

"Well, Representative, your...your creating quite a reputation for yourself around here about not answering any questions. You just read the Bill to me and I did that myself. So, is not a Bill that limits it's affect to a community with a population between 316 and 318..." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Excuse me Representative Lang, if we could just...Representative Lang. If we could have just a little order in the chambers SO that the chamber can hear Representative Lang, it would be appreciated. Representative Lang, proceed."

"Thank you. You do have a little order Mr. Speaker. Representative, isn't a Bill that only covers a...a community with only 316 to 318,000 inhabitants isn't that by it's very nature, special legislation?" 167  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Cross." March 21, 1995

"Representative, I don't...you can use whatever names you want or whatever terms. The language of the Bill speaks for itself, and I don't. You know as well as I do the problem with labeling things. So, the Bill as I said speaks for itself." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Further questions? Representative Lang?"

"Well, how many communities in Illinois fall within in this guideline. Can you give me a...a...I'm sure Members will yield their time to me if it'll take you more than 3 1/2 minutes to list all the communities in Illinois that might fall under this guideline." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Cross."

"Representative, I don't know. I haven't, I haven't taken a map of the State of Illinois and considered every municipality and every unincorporated area and every group of people to see if they fall under this Bill. So, I really don't know Lou, but I'd be willing to sit down with you and look, look it over." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Further questions? Representative Lang."

"Yes, thank you. Well, Representative then if this does not...for a specific community then how did you pick these numbers, like out of the blue, something special, are these your lucky numbers. Should we play the lotto this week with these numbers? How did you come up with these numbers, Sir?" Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Cross."

"Well, Representative as I said the Bill is pretty...it's self explanatory as the way it's been drafted. I'm not sure I'm following your question, and maybe really you don't like my answers. I think I've answered it." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Lang." 168  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE March 21, 1995 35th Legislative Day

"Well, Sir no your not answering. Saying your answering is not answering. And so all of us on this side of the aisle are quite interested in the answer to this question. Is that the map of Illinois, Sir?" Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Cross."

"Yes." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Lang."

"Do you have an Atlas with population density in Illinois so that we can take a look at how many hundreds of communities in Illinois may fall in under these guidelines Sir?" Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative... Representative Cross."

"No." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Lang."

"Well, isn't there a community in Representative Lindners district that this might fall in under?" Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Cross."

"Representative, as I said to you earlier there could be a whole host of areas that this would apply to and I haven't checked...I just got the map out and as I...your welcome to come over and we can go through it. I don't know." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Lang if you could move on to a further line of questioning we would appreciate it."

"Oh sure. What will this allow this...these mythical communities in Illinois that are not special legislation to do." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Cross do you wish to respond?"

"It would allow them to incorporate. Or, petition the court to incorporated under the language of the statute, Representative." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Lang." 169  35th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE March 21, 1995

"Is it not fact that the municipal league opposes any incorporation by communities that don't meet the current statutory requirements?" Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Cross."

"Representative, if my recollection of the committee hearing is correct they were neutral on this Bill." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Further questions, Representative Lang?"

"I'm sorry, I didn't hear the answer their talking about french fries right here in front of me. Could you...answer...answer the questions again." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "If we could have some order so that the Gentleman could properly address the Bill and SO that we could hear it. The Chair would appreciate it. Representative Lang. Do you want to restate your question for the Sponsor."

"The question was, isn't the municipal league opposed to your Bill?" Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Cross."

"Representative, there were no opposition slips in committee, filed. By the municipal league or anyone." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Lang, further questions?"

"So, did this get out of committee with no opposition and no witness slips in opposition?" Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Cross."

"There were no... Representative there were no witness slips in committee at all opposing this. This was up a couple different times." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Lang if you want to bring your questioning to a close."

"Thank you. Representative Mautino would like to yield his time to me." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Mautino requests leave to 170  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day March 21, 1995 yield his five minutes to Representative Lang and your request is granted. Representative Lang, proceed."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Representative, how does the Village of Prestbury feel about this particular piece of legislation?" Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Cross."

"Representative, I think they like it." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Lang, further questions."

"Would it be fair to say that this legislation is for that particular community?" Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Cross, do you wish to Cross: respond?" "Representative, it'd be fair to say that anyone that qualifies under the language of this Bill probably would like it." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Lang."

"Who asked you to prepare this legislation Representative, or did you think these numbers up out of the air?" Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Cross."

"Representative, are we going to discuss the merits of this Bill?" Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Lang."

"See, the way it works here Representative is that the Sponsor answers the questions and we ask the questions. You don't ask questions and so the question is, did the village of Prestbury ask you to prepare this legislation?" Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Cross having received that education, do you wish to respond?"

"No." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Lang, do you have a question... further question?"

"So, who asked you to prepare the legislation?" 171  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day March 21, 1995 Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Cross, do you wish to respond?"

"No." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Lang, further questions?"

"So, did you think this up on your own to address a particular problem we have in society in Illinois today?" Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Cross, do you wish to respond?"

"Representative, the language was worked out with some staff people on our side of the aisle and working with me, we worked on it together, that's how the language developed." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Lang, if you could move on to a further line of questioning it would be appreciated. Representative Lang."

"Well, we're entitled to know Representative for who this legislation was...was written. It affects just a very small population area and accordingly you didn't pull it up out of no place and I don't know what the damage is. If it's for the village or the community of Prestbury just tell us and we'll go on to another line of questioning. If it's for others than tell us who those people are. We're entitled to know what this is all about. If it was a piece of legislation that affected all communities over 5,000 we would know who those were. If affected communities under a million we would know who those were. But, you have a very narrow population limit low and high on this legislation and apparently it's for somebody and it's for a reason. We're entitled to know why you want to exempt a community or two communities or whoever it is from very specific statutory requirements, that's what the Bill is all about. So, why do these folks whoever they are and who...whoever 172  35th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE March 21, 1995 they are need this relief." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "I don't know if that was a question. Was that a question Representative Lang?"

"Well, start it with why do these folks need this relief?" Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Do you wish Representative Cross to respond? Representative Cross do you wish to respond?"

"It'd be the same answer I've given five times so no." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "To move on to a further line of questioning Representative... Representative Lang."

"Well, to the...to the Bill. To the Bill. I wish I could thank the Representative for his answers but he gave me no answers, and he did so very artfully. This is clearly special legislation. Now you can vote for it if you wish, if you wish to help this one community in Illinois. We have yet to hear why this one community in Illinois needs this legislation. We have yet to hear what it's for. We have yet to hear the purpose. Now, we're not beyond voting to help a community in Illinois, we do that all the time. Sometimes community needs help building a Civic Center. Sometimes they need help getting additional judges so we have to change some requirements. But, we're not being told here what...what ill in society needs to be addressed by this Bill. We're not being told what it's for. We're not being told why statutory requirements have to be changed, bent, expanded, extended, made flexible to help one community in Illinois, and until I hear an answer to that question, I can't support this legislation and so I would suggest that folks on this side of the aisle vote 'present' or 'no', and Mr. Speaker should this Bill receive the requisite number, we would ask for a verification. Can you acknowledge that please?" Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Your request is acknowledged. The Chair 173  35th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE March 21, 1995 recognizes the Gentleman from Tazewell, Representative Ackerman."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Since this legislation didn't receive any opposition slips in committee I think it's been debated enough...question." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Do you have a Motion to..."

"I called for the previous question." Speaker Johnson, from

"The Gentleman Tazewell, Representative Ackerman moves the previous question. All in favor of the Motion signify by saying 'aye'; opposed, 'nay'. The 'ayes' have it. Representative Cross to close."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'd appreciate a 'yes' vote." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "The question is, 'Shall House Bill 150 pass?' All those in favor, vote 'aye'; all those opposed vote 'nay'. The voting is open. This is final action. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question there are 77 voting 'yes', 17 voting 'no', 17 voting 'present'. This Bill having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. The Chair would recognize the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Lang."

"Well, two things Mr. Speaker. First, I made a Motion which was clearly on the record earlier and I made it very clear that this side of the aisle demands Roll Call Votes on every single procedural Motion this week. Now, there was move for the previous question, my...apparently that my request was denied. Now, if we have to make a request each time, the Chair should so rule, but the person sitting in the Chair when I made that request acknowledged it and indicated we would get a Roll Call Vote on every single 174  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day March 21, 1995 procedural Motion this week. We were ignored, you did a roll call...you did a...you did a voice vote and ignored what is on the record. Secondly, secondly, you heard and acknowledged my request for a verification if that Bill, House Bill 150 received the requisite number, and I said to you, Mr. Speaker, do you acknowledge my request for a verification and you clearly said we all heard it, yes I acknowledge your request, and now those votes are off the board and it's too late for a verification. Now, Mr. Speaker are you going to handle this House properly or will you continue to be disingenuous with the Members. You acknowledge my request on the record, we can play back the tape if you wish. You acknowledge it on the record and those votes have been wiped off the board." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "As to...as to your first inquiry Representative the rules provide that...that requests for verification have to be made with respect to separate Motions and separate Bills. That's...that's what our rules provide for. With respect to your second point Representative, I had assumed with 77 votes on the board that...that your request was not...yes, Representative."

"First of all. To my first point, you said something about a verification on my first point. My first point had nothing to do with the verification. The Speaker in the Chair earlier when I made a Motion...when I made very clear our position that every procedural vote was a roll call...or...vote roll call was demanded. That Speaker acknowledged that and you folks ought to get your act together. As to the Second..." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "the...Well, let me answer your first..."

"As to the...let me finish." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Let me answer your first inquiry. As 175  35th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE March 21, 1995 to...as to your first inquiry Representative. The rules clearly provide that, that...your request has to be made as to each separate Bill and procedural Motion. I'll certainly get the citation for you. I don't believe the previous Speaker indicated...so indicated and the...this Speaker would indicate that our rules clearly provide that has to be made with respect to each separate Motion. As to the verification...as to the verification, my assumption was apparently incorrect...I stand corrected." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Mr. Clerk, read House Bill 153."

"House Bill 153, a Bill for an Act to create the Drug Dealer Liability Act. Third Reading of this House Bill." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "On House Bill, Representative 153. The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Lake, Representative Salvi."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. House Bill 153 provides that any person in this state who knowingly participates in the illegal drug market is liable for injuries resulting from an individuals use of an illegal drug in this state. This Bill made very well help us shut down the illegal drug market in the State of Illinois. This Bill not only affects those individuals who sold drugs to specific persons and that...where that...that drug use caused injury but it also allows under a form of market share liability theory for an individual who was injured as result of the drug use of another to sue someone who is putting illegal drugs into the market. Persons who can sue, include a parent legal guardian, child, spouse or sibling of the individual drug user. An individual who is exposed to an illegal drug in utero and an employer of the individual drug user, a medical facility insure governmental entity 176  35th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE March 21, 1995 employer or other entity that finds...that funds a drug treatment program or employee assistance program for the individual drug user and that otherwise expended...expended money on behalf of the individual drug user. If I could use an example to explain this Bill, because I think it's a very significant Bill. Ladies and Gentleman of the House, if there is a cocaine baby born as the...as a result of the drug use of her mother, the guardian of that cocaine baby...say for an example a cocaine baby was suffering from strokes as a result of the drug abuse of her mother during pregnancy. The guardian of that cocaine baby can bring a case against a drug dealer, not necessarily just the drug dealer who sold the mother the drugs but any individual who put drugs into the market. It's a very well drafted Bill, it's a very specific Bill. If the drug dealer dealt in a small amount than the geographical area in which there can be liability is small. If the drug dealer deals in a very large amount of drugs, then...if...we're talking about a major drug dealer, that individual may be liable to anyone in this state. If we have for example a cocaine baby and often we know that with cocaine babies we're talking about hundreds of thousands of dollars in medical bills and terrible human loss as well. This Bill is very specific, it's designed to create an incentive for people to disclose drug dealers. It's designed to create an...an incentive for people to shut down the illegal drug market. It's designed to encourage people to go into treatment. It's a good Bill, it got out of committee unanimously and I would ask for a favorable vote on House Bill 153." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "On the Bill the Gentleman from DuPage, Representative Persico."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?" 177  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day March 21, 1995 Speaker Johnson, Tim: "The Sponsor indicates he'll yield."

"Representative Salvi, did you mention that the...the guardian is the one that's able to sue it. For example if there's a cocaine baby born?" Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Salvi."

"Yes, Representative in the case of a cocaine baby would be...the legal guardian." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Persico."

"Is there anybody else that would be allowed to sue under this particular Bill?" Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Salvi."

"Yes, Representative. Any individual who is...who has suffered an injury as the result of the drug use of another. And that would include employers, insurance companies, medical facilities and the state. And...and they would be able to bring an action for several types of damages including economic damages and non-economic damages." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Further questions? Representative Persico."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. For example, if a cocaine baby is born and then they start school, would a school district be allowed to sue under this particular Bill." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Salvi."

"I think...my feeling would be yes. In the Bill it specifically states..." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Further questions?"

"That a person...any person injured as a result of the activity can bring a cause of action. And person is defined not only as a human being but as an entity which would include a school. So, the answer to that would be, yes." 178  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day March 21, 1995 Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Persico."

"Thank you. One last question. So in other words if a child starts school and because of the extra expenses incurred because of the difficulty of educating a cocaine baby then the school will be able to sue under your particular Bill. Is there a statute of limitations in your Bill?" Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative."

"Representative there is a two year statute of limitations from the time...from the point of the injury, so there's a two year statute of limitations." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative no more...no more question? Then the Chair would recognize the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Turner."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Gentleman yield?" Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Salvi."

"I have a couple of questions one that comes to mind is because we just recently past a caps on liability or caps on civil liability will that apply in this case can the drug dealer only be sued up to what is it a quarter of a million dollars or a half million dollars. Is it 500 thousand dollars? So does the tort liability apply in this type of case." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Salvi."

"I believe it would." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Further questions, Representative Turner?"

"Yes. The other question is how far back can you go in terms of dealing with the dealer. I mean the guy that sold the narcotics to the mother probably is not the guy who brought the cocaine into the United States. So can we sue him and then sue the guy who sold it to him or how far back you know, with this change in tort reform and can you find 179  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day March 21, 1995 that dealer. How far back can you go in terms of sewing or how far is necessary?" Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Salvi."

"Representative do you mean back in time or back in the chain of distribution. There is a two year statue of limitations from the time of the damage the injury that the plaintiff sustained and the issue then is whether or not the individual drug dealer the illegal drug dealer was selling illegally drugs during the time...during the time that the user took the drugs. So if it were a different time even if it were a year, six months then there would not be liability. It's very similar to the market share liability theory where you don't know exactly which manufacture of a particular product, the defective product, brought that product into the stream of commerce. But you know, for example, that there are three producers or manufactures of that product that's defective and you look at the percentage of the liability that each of those manufactures have and you can go after them. It's very similar to that although it goes much further than that because an individual drug dealer, for example, a major drug dealer in the State of Illinois who has lots of assets will find that hundreds of people throughout the State of Illinois will be sewing him for their damages under this theory, so this is market share liability times ten. And if I could respond under the issue of the tort reform package Representative, I would simply say this is civil..." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Further questions? I will certainly give you the opportunity to respond to the question. Your time is up, but go ahead."

"Thank you, just very quickly. This is civil liability 180  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day March 21, 1995 times 1000 so the individual...so if you are interest in getting into the illegal drug market you better be very careful because you're going to get sued and if you have assets you are going to have to pay." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Further questions? The Chair recognizes a Lady from... Representative Turner there are a number of other people who have their lights on. We can come back to you in a bit and let someone yield their time to you if we could proceed with the other questions we'll be glad to do that. On the issue the Chair recognizes a Lady from Lake, Representative Andrea Moore. Representative Moore." Moore, A: "Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?" Speaker Johnson, Tim: "He indicates he will." Moore, A: "Representative there seems to be some concern about the actual liability and the question of responsibility and where this would go with this particular Bill. Am I to understand that if a child is born as a cocaine baby and then is given to a guardian that that guardian on behalf a that child could sue the mother?" Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Salvi."

"I'm glad you raised this, if there was confusion with regard to this it has to be addressed very clearly. The answer is no, the mother in that case is referred to the individual user in the Bill is not liable under any circumstances. We are talking about the drug dealer. The only persons who are liable under this Act are the drug...is the drug dealer not the individual user under any circumstance, in fact, under some circumstances this Bill provides for a cause of action for individual user if they go to authorities prior to six months before, prior to six months, the filing the case and if they come clean if they point to who the dealer was and if they go into treatment 181  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day March 21, 1995 they themselves may have a cause of action only for economic damages however. We're trying to create an incentive for people to come clean to get treatment and we're trying to kill the incentive to sell drugs." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Further questions, Representative?" Moore, A: "Thank you. A point of clarification then in regard to the liability issue there was some question about whether or not the newly enacted tort reform would be applicable here. You had said yes, I'm not a lawyer so I would need help with this, but if the drug dealer is convicted of a felony then wouldn't that negale what we just had adopted?" Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Salvi."

"If they are convicted, but this Bill does not require conviction. This Bill says that if you prove by clear and convincing evidence it's a high standard of proof. It's a higher standard of proof that the regular civil cause of action. If you prove by clear and convincing evidence that an individual was involved in the illegal drug market than you can recover damages for injuries against that individual drug dealer. So if there is a conviction Representative you're correct, but this Bill is not limited to those situations where there is an actual criminal conviction." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Further questions, Representative Moore? See no further questions, the Chair recognizes the Lady from Cook, Representative Currie."

"Thank you, Speaker. I would like to yield my time to Representative Turner." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "I had indicated earlier that that request be granted when it was made and the request is so granted. Representative Turner do you wish to continue your line of questioning the Sponsor." 182  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day March 21, 1995

"Yes, Representative one other question regarding...I thought I understood you to tell Representative Moore that the mother can not be sued, but in this case if the dad is the drug dealer then, in fact, the father could be sued in this particular instance?" Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Salvi."

"Section 80 of the Bill provisions of this Act are not intended to alter the law regarding intra family toward immunity so I would say no." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Further questions, Representative Turner."

"So, I'm not a lawyer SO I'm not clear as to this instance, so the father can not be sued. If the brother is a drug dealer in the family can the brother be sued or brother-in-law? Or how does this family...where is the line drawn?" Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative."

"My understanding of the inter-family tort immunity as it's interpreted by courts today, Representative, is that they have been whittling away at it. So, my guess would be although I can't say this for certain, but I would guess that no in a case like that you would be able to sue. If we're talking about a situation where the brother was the dealer. Now the individual user can only sue under very limited circumstances if they came clean six months prior to filing, if they went into treatment and so forth it's detailed there, they pointed to who actually is doing the drug dealing. But others injured insurance companies, hospitals, cocaine babies for example, those who are innocent and were injured as a result of an individual drug users use then in that case you can go after the drug dealer that sold those drugs to the individual user. And under many circumstances you can go after any drug dealer 183  35th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE March 21, 1995 if it's a small amount if it's within a small geographical area. If it's a large amount it, specifies in here, it could be, if we're talking about a major amount of drugs being brought in by a drug dealer, it could be, the geographical area, could be the entire state, Representative." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Further questions, Representative Turner? Further questions? Representative Turner the Chair Recognizes the Lady from Cook, Representative Mulligan."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?" Speaker Johnson, Tim: "He indicates he will."

"Representative Salvi you indicated that a child could not sue the birth mother if the birth mother used drugs? Correct?" Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Salvi."

"Say that again." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Would you repeat the question?"

"You indicated to Representative Moore that a cocaine baby could not sue the mother. Is that correct?" Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Salvi."

"That is correct. There is a section here that said, a person who knowingly distributed or knowingly participated in the chain of distribution of an illegal drug that was actually used by the individual drug users. That's Section 25 B-1, but don't let that make you think that you can sue the mother under this circumstance. You can not sue the individual drug user under any circumstance under this Bill." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Further questions, Representative?"

"Yes, Representative Salvi you were saying that schools could go back or employers could go back and sue for economic damages cause by the use of drugs for that 184  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day individual?" Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative." March 21, 1995

"That's correct. If they have expended funds on behalf of the person injured as the result of the use of drugs by the individual drug user." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative."

"Representative Salvi, if there is a two year statute of limitations and you have a drug baby how would a school who possibly down the line may have a problem teaching that child, be able to go back and recover under this Bill?" Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Salvi."

"It's a two year statute of limitations just like we have in, for example personal injury cases in the state, but the statute of limitations can be told under certain circumstances. A minor for example there is a tolling of the statute of limitation because the minor doesn't have the capacity. A person who does not otherwise have mental capacity the statute of limitation would be told. Section 70 the statute of limitations says that except is otherwise provided in a section. A claim under this Act shall not be brought more than two years after the cause of action accrues. The cause of action occurs under this Act when a person who may recover has reason to know of the harm from illegal drug use that is the basis for the cause of action has reason to know that the illegal drug use is the cause of the harm. So the individual school...the child...for the child to cause of action could be told...the statute of limitations could be told. In addition for the school they didn't know of the harm until that child comes into the school SO there could be a cause of action by the school although it would probably be a rare thing. There could be a cause of action by the school because they didn't know 185  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day March 21, 1995 about the harm until the child actually came into their school." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Further questions, Representative?"

"Representative if there is a civil penalty and a judgement against a drug dealer and say in two different instances perhaps he goes to jail and all and you've taken whatever assets he has or perhaps there's not enough money to pay what penalty if assessed. How would that be taken care of over the long haul. Would he still be liable say if he was a drug dealer say that was put away and there was still outstanding assets or would he be liable when he came out for whatever income he might thereafter have?" Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative. Do you wish to respond?"

"You can enforce the judgement if he gets out of jail and gets a job absolutely. If they have assets at the time of judgement then they have to pay those assets, absolutely." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Further questions, Representative?"

"Thank you, that satisfies my questions." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Giles."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?" Speaker Johnson, Tim: "He indicates he will."

"Representative Salvi I just have one question. I think Representative Turner was trying to ask this of you and maybe you have answered it but I want to be clear on it. And that is he asked the question if a...first of all a drug dealer can be sued that is correct. The second question, if the person who supplied the drugs to the drug dealer can they be sued?" Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Salvi."

"Yes, they can the person that supplies the drug, Representative? Yes, they certainly can." 186  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day March 21, 1995 Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Giles, further questions?"

"And Representative if we can get to the individual who brought the actual illegal drugs into the country and gave them to the individual to give to the drug dealer can that person be sued?" Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Salvi"

"You'll have to repeat that Representative I didn't hear you I'm sorry." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Giles."

"If the individual that brought the illegal drugs into the country to give to the individual, to give to the drug dealer by that chain of command can that individual be sued?" Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Salvi."

"We would only have jurisdiction within the boundaries of the state. But if you had, for example, a drug dealer bringing in a ton of cocaine in to Cairo, Illinois and you are a guardian of a cocaine baby who's suffering from the stokes as a result of the drug abuse of the mother, then you can bring a cause of action. You can bring a case there is a cause of action against that drug dealer in Cairo, Illinois. If he has assets you can imagine that there will be hundreds of thousand of person who are injured as a result of illegal drug use who will sue that individual if that individual brought those drugs into the State of Illinois during the time in which the individual user took the drugs causing damage. So this again, Representative, is an attempt to really come down hard with civil penalties against drug dealers particularly drug dealers with assets and to help pay for the damages they cause." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Giles." 187  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day

"Thank you, Representative. March 21, 1995 I think you've answered my question. To the Bill, Mr. Speaker. I think this Bill is headed towards the right direction, I think this is a catalyst, I don't think it will actually solve all the problems especially with the illegal drugs continued to flow through our country so freely and into our states. But however, I think we are headed into the right direction, I think this Bill what it does will actually go to the source and that is to try to curtail the drug dealer and try to cortell his activities by hurting him the most and that is in his pocket. So I would urge all my colleagues on both sides of the aisle to support this Bill. Thank you." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Further questions? None. Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Parke."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?" Speaker Johnson, Tim: "He indicates he will."

"Representative Salvi, I just have some concern, I like the concept, but I have some concerns. What is the definition of a drug dealer according to your Bill? Have you defined that?" Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Salvi."

"Yes, Representative although I've been using the term drug dealer, the term in the Bill is a participant in the illegal drug market. And that is defined it mean to distribute possess with an intent to distribute commit and act intended to facilitate the marketing or distribution of or agree to distribute possess with an intent to distribute or commit an act intended to facilitate the marketing and distribution of an illegal drug." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Further questions? Representative Parke?"

"Under your legislation would that be, would marijuana be 188  35th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE March 21, 1995 included in you definition of drugs?" Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Salvi."

"Yes, it is." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Parke."

"Do you have a limit on the amount of drugs sold at all? Is that of concern?" Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Salvi."

"You are not considered a person participating in the illegal drug market if you are just having the drug for personal use number one, Representative. Number two you've got to remember that in order for there to be a cause of action there would have to be damages and if you're just talking about a situation where a person has a small among of marijuana you're not going to end up with a cocaine baby and SO  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day

"No Representative. March 21, 1995 Illegal drugs are defined in this Bill. And this is a very well crafted Bill it was put together by some of the best minds in the country. Illegal drug means a drug who distribution is a violation of state law." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Further questions, Representative?"

"Yes, Representative could this set a precedent that could be interpreted in a broader sense. What we have is those great minds that you were referring to sometimes are able to find the smallest loophole and bring lawsuits against people where it was never intended. And the only thing that concerns me about your fine Bill is that it could be set precedent that could be used in areas that you did not intent it to be so, I will take your word that this is a well crafted Bill and that it can not be interpreted any further than you discussed on the floor in terms of legislative intent. I would certainly appreciate what you are doing with this Bill." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Thank you, Representative. Further questions? The Gentleman from Williamson, Representative Woolard."

"Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Will the Sponsor yield." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "He indicates he will."

"I think under correct law, Representative Salvi, we have the ability to, as local governments, seize the property of individuals who have maybe $4 or $500,000 at times in an automobile going down the highway with illegal drugs. And those local governments can seize that and control it and, in fact, own it. Under these types of cases when, in fact, there becomes a lawsuit who would have the jurisdiction or right to that money? 190  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day March 21, 1995 Would it be the local government or would the person who is suing have the ability to take it away from their possession?" Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Salvi."

"Thank you, Representative. That's addressed also specifically in this Bill and I'm glad you brought it up. You can't...it says...any assets sought to satisfy a judgement under this Act that are named in a forfeiture action or have been seized for forfeiture by any state or federal agency may not be used to satisfy judgement unless and until the assets have been released. conclusion of the forfeiture action or agency that seized the assets. I think that addressed the issue that you raised." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Further questions, Woolard?" Following the release by the very capably

Representative Woolard: "So that I'll better understand the intent and the wording of your language. You're saying that the local government who had seized control of these assets has the responsibility for determining whether or not these assets remain in the hands of the citizenry of that local government or shall be released to satisfy a pending lawsuit. Is that correct?" Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Salvi."

"Representative, government entities have a priority and they decide whether they want to abandon their attempt to get these assets. Again they have priority under this Bill. It says specifically unless or until the assets have been released following the conclusion of the action or release by the agency that sees the assets. So, I think that's addressed." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Woolard."

"To the Bill. I think I positively intend to support 191  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day March 21, 1995 this legislation but I really believe that there needs a little bit of correction in this area. I think that we're putting a burden of responsibility of the local authorities, the State Attorney, the sherriff, whoever it might be...in order to...the responsibility for them to determine whether or not they choose to participate in the pending settlement of a lawsuit and I don't believe we should leave that there I think we should make that mandatory that it become the response...or the property of the local government entity without question as to whether or not they can or can't release. Thank you." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Chair recognizes a Lady from Cook, Representative Flowers."

"Mr. Speaker, will the Gentleman yield?" Speaker Johnson, Tim: "He indicates he will."

"Representative Salvi, did I understand you to say that there need not be a conviction in regards to being able to retrieve the assets of a drug dealer?" Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Salvi."

"That is correct, Representative Flowers. But the Bill specifically says that the burden of proof is very high much higher than a regular civil lawsuit. Right now you can sue a drug dealer if that individual drug dealer is the person who caused the harm and all you have to prove is it's more likely or not that that person...more likely than not that, that person cause the injury. What this Bill does is say not just the drug dealer that sold the drugs to the individual that caused the harm, but any drug dealer who put the illegal drug in the stream of commerce at the same time. But, we also raised the standard of proof so that now we have a situation where the proof of participation in the illegal drug market and action brought 192  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day March 21, 1995 under this Act shall be shown by clear and convincing evidence so, we have a much higher standard of proof that would be difficult for a civil litigants to meet, but not impossible." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Further questions, Representative? Representative Flowers."

"Representative Salvi what about hearsay? Could this not lead to conviction or not conviction but could this not clog up the court through hearsay? You know, I understand your higher standards, but could one have a higher standards that would lead to hearsay that would cause a person to be caught up in the courts because of?" Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Salvi."

"This Bill does not effect the rules within the court. There is a rule against hearsay, Representative, in a civil cause of action. This Bill would not change that hearsay would not be allowed." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Further questions? If we could have...this is a very important Bill. Very significant Bill and Representative Flowers has significant questions if we could address our attention to the Representative the Chair would appreciate. Further questions, Representative?"

"Representative Salvi is this constitutional?" Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Salvi."

"Absolutely. I don't think anybody will even raise a constitutional question about this Bill." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Flowers."

"Does this place the law enforcement in jeopardy because right now, they confiscate the assets of the convicted drug dealers. So now would we be pitying one against each other because they use the assets to continue to fight their war 193  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE March 21, 1995 35th Legislative Day on crime." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Salvi"

"I don't think so because this Bill specifically addresses that and says that the authorities have priority in getting assets. If there are additional assets then the individual who suffered damages as a result of the drug use of an individual drug user can bring an action and receives an award from the additional assets of the drug dealer." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Further questions, Representative Flowers? Again if we could have the attention of the chamber. The Representative, indicates no further questions. The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Rock Island, Representative Boland."

"Will the Sponsor yield?" Speaker Johnson, Tim: "He indicates he will."

"Just one question, Representative Salvi, this sounds like an excellent Bill and I intend to support it. My question is, have other states or the federal government done anything like this? Is there any track record of success in this area?" Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative your response."

"No, we would be on the cutting edge on this one Representative." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Further questions, Representative?"

"No further questions, just to the Bill. I complement the Sponsor I think this is the good direction to go we need to use every asset we can to go after this deadly problem that is devastating the youth of our country and I complement you on using the civil law procedure as well as of course we've been trying the criminal law approach for quite some time and unfortunately we don't seem to be getting a hold of it. We're now moving into education as a 194  35th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE March 21, 1995 way of doing it and this looks like a great tool and you have my complements, and I intend to fully support it and urge all of us to get behind this Bill. Thank you." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Further questions? The Gentleman from Grundy, Representative Spangler."

"Mr. Speaker, I think we've heard plenty of debate this evening of this Bill. I would like to move the previous question." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "The question is, 'Shall the main question be put?' All in favor signify by saying 'aye'; opposed indicate by saying 'no'. The Gentleman has requested a roll call. The questions, 'Shall the main question be put?' All in favor signify by voting 'aye'; opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question there are 67 voting 'yes', 46 voting 'no', the Motion prevails. The Gentleman from Lake, Representative Salvi to close."

"Although the criminal justice system is an important weapon against the illegal drug market, the civil justice system can and must also be used. The civil justice system can provide and avenue of compensation for those who have suffered harm as a result of marketing and distribution of illegal drugs. The persons who have joined the illegal drug market should bare the cost of the harm caused by that market in our community. This is literally a cop on every block. We will have individual Attorney Generals making sure that drug dealers do not profit from their illegal activity. This will eliminate the economic incentive for selling drugs in the State of Illinois. I would appreciate an 'aye' vote on House Bill 153." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "The question is, 'Shall House Bill 153 195  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day March 21, 1995 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye'; all those opposed vote 'nay' The voting is open. This is final action. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk take the record. On this question there are 112 voting 'yes', none voting 'no', 1 voting 'present'. And this Bill having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Mr. Clerk, read House Bill 175."

"House Bill 175, a Bill for an Act in relation to bilingual programs and materials. Third Reading of this House Bill." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Martinez is not here and there has been a request of the Democratic side of the aisle that Representative Phelps be permitted to handle this Bill instead. Is there any objection? With leave of the House your request is granted, Representative Phelps on House Bill 175."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker Ladies and Gentleman of the House. I appreciate the courtesies you extended on this Bill for Representative Martinez who has not been here for several weeks because of heart surgery and other problems so we appreciate handling this Bill for Representative Martinez. This Bill actually just codifies existing law that requires a public information champaign to inform the state hispanic residents regarding the prevention and treatment of alcoholism. It actually goes into detail about how that champaign for information is disseminated. The program shall target women specifically and any materials included in the program shall be in english and in spanish and the information shall include educational videos in english and spanish directed towards specifically teenagers who are of high risk population groups and 196  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day targeted toward pretension of AIDES. support for Representative Martinez." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Further questions? March 21, 1995 I appreciate the Representative...the Lady from Cook, Representative Krause.

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. To the Bill I join with the Co-Sponsor on this Bill and urge support. It did pass out of the House Health Care and Human Services Committee unanimously on a 21 to nothing vote as stated it does provide for a public information champaign to inform the states hispanic residence regarding prevention and treatment of alcoholism. It's a good Bill and I urge support for the Bill. Thank you." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Any further discussion? Seeing none the Chair recognizes the Gentleman Representative Phelps to close."

"Just wanted to say I appreciate the approval for this and I'm sure Representative Martinez will again join us in appreciation for letting us handle the Bill." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "The question is, 'Shall House Bill 175 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye'; all those opposed vote 'no'. Voting is open. This is final action. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question there are 114 voting 'yes', none voting 'no', none voting 'present.' This Bill, having receiving the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Mr. Clerk, read House Bill 182."

"House Bill 182, a Bill for an Act that amends the Private Employments Agency Act. Third Reading of this House Bill." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Murphy on the Bill. Proceed." 197  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day March 21, 1995 Murphy, M.: "House Bill 182 amends the Private employment Agency Act, Exempts from the scope of the Act consultants, recruiters, compensated slowly by employers to identify a praise or recommend individuals for employment." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Any questions for the Sponsor? The Chair recognizes Gentleman from Clinton, Representative Granberg."

"Will the Lady yield?" Speaker Johnson, Tim: "She indicates she will."

"Representative I heard part of that explanation could you go into a little more detail. I thought...was that the synopsis? Could you explain exactly what the Bill does please?" Murphy, M.: "To give you background, the original Private Employment Act was created in 1935 when employment agencies mostly charged fees to the person seeking employment. Over the years the industry has changed so that now it is usually the firm during the hiring that pays the fee to the personnel service agency rather that the job seeker. Amendments were later made to Act which exempted agencies which only placed people management..." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "If we could just interrupt for a moment. Representative Lang and Representative Granberg and others have indicated they're having a hard time hearing your response. The chamber could give the attention to the Sponsor and Representative asking the questions perhaps we could hear better. Representative Murphy in response." Murphy, M.: "Again this amends the private Employment Agency Act it would exempt from the scope of the Act consultants and recruiters. Compensated solely by employers to identify a praise or recommend individuals for employment. This exemption does not apply to theatrical employment or 198  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day domestic service employment agencies. March 21, 1995 In addition this exemption applies only to agencies finding employment for individuals at least 18 years of age or those that, who hold a high school diploma." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Further questions, Representative? Proceed. Further questions, Representative?"

"Thank you. Representative you said this exempts employers from the Act, is that correct?" Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Murphy." Murphy, M.: "Employment agencies. Certain employment agencies." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Granberg."

"What is the intention. Why would we exempt employment agencies from this Act?" Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Murphy." Murphy, M.: "This is a limited exemption to scope of a business to business transaction. So it would only affect those agencies conducting business to business transactions. Thirty-seven other states thus far have dropped the regulation regarding these same firms." Speaker Johnson,

"Further questions, Representative Granberg?

"Why do we just do it for the employers and we do not craft an exemption for the employee organizations?" Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Do you wish to respond Representative?" Murphy, M.: "Yes. This is a limited part of the exemption this has to do with business to business transactions where usually the commission is around $12,000 or more. With regard to consumer protection for fee applicants, those public individuals paying a fee would still retain the consumer protection that the original Act was written for." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Granberg further questions?"

"Representative in committee where this was heard what 199  35th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE March 21, 1995 proponents of this legislation were there?" Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Murphy." Murphy, M.: "Well, I will read from the analysis. Proponents include the Illinois Association of Personnel Services and Temporary Services, Systems One Limited, Waterford Executive group, Management Recruiters, Seacore International, Sales Consultants, York Employment." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Granberg."

"Was there...Representative, was there any opposition in committee?" Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Murphy." Murphy, M.: "The recorded opposition was the Illinois Press Association, National Organization of Women, Old Republic Shirty, and Western Shirty. And I might add that any Amendments in the process satisfied some objections prior. We had no oral testimony of opposition at that last day of voting before the committee." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Further questions, Representative? Representative Granberg."

"So I'm...did the...you say the Amendments reduced the opposition to this Bill? Those organizations no longer oppose your legislation?" Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Murphy." Murphy, M.: "No, that's not what I said. Any concerns that we had...any concern that we had by the department of labor were addressed by an Amendment and there was some concerns about DECA. That's for the modification with regard to age was brought in. I think the word, 'any' was inserted and there was minor technical changes." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Granberg if you would bring you remarks and questions to a close. Proceed."

"Mr. Speaker, I believe Representative Dart would like 200  35th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE March 21, 1995 to yield his time." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "There's been a request by Representative Dart to yield his time to Representative Granberg and the request will be granted, proceed."

"Thank you. Representative Murphy did the Department of Labor have a position on your Bill prior to the Amendment?" Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Murphy." Murphy, M.: "I tried to...they had some concerns and they have since taken their opposition to the Bill as long as we handle their concern which had to do with the age where we put in, who are at least 18 years of age or who hold a high school diploma." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Granberg."

"Thank you. Representative I just want to make sure I understand this. You eluded to the department had some concerns. Were they in favor of your legislation? Did they actually say they were opposed to it prior to the Amendment?" Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Murphy." Murphy, M.: "Prior to the Amendment we addressed their concerns they brought them to me I requested...once they signed on they had withdrawn their opposition. Do you want to know about today, or today they appear to not be an opposition Representative. They did not speak against this Bill in oral testimony and they have not given a opposition." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Granberg."

"I just want to make sure I understand this when you say they have not given any opposition. Are they now in favor of your legislation?" Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Murphy." Murphy, M.: "It's to my understanding they are neutral." 201  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Granberg." March 21, 1995

"Representative Murphy is...why...did the department tell you why would they be neutral on your Bill?" Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Murphy." Murphy, M.: "No, they did not." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Granberg."

"Is there any cost to the state for this legislation?" Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Murphy." Murphy, M.: "Yes. In response to a fiscal note there is an approximate cost FY-94, 285,700, 310,000 Fy-95." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Further questions, Representative?"

"Did the department voice their concern that this would be a costing the state approximately $300,000 under the General Revenue fund. Was that one of their items of concern?" Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Murphy." Murphy, Μ.: "Once again this went straight into GRF. We've all talked about the shell game that can occur with some of these funds and, in effect we were in a business to business transaction, we were over regulation. No other business has to send in their contracts in business to business to the Department of Labor. In essence we are avoiding or making more equitable what really turned out to be a double taxation." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Granberg."

"Well, this money is deposited directly into the General Revenue fund that pays our pharmacies, our teachers pensions and others, isn't that right?" Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Murphy." Murphy, Μ.: "Yes, and also these owner of the business to business transaction that we were talking to it's a very limited scope who have endured the wording of their 202  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day March 21, 1995 contracts regular inspection, training of their employees, taking test for certification, can now turn more productive man hours into productivity making money, and yes, we will tax their proceeds. So, in the form of taxation we will probably be returning dollars to the treasury." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Granberg."

"Well, when we say we are going to be returning dollars that you indicated the Illinois Department of Labor and their fiscal note response has indicated this is going to take money directly out of general revenue fund and that is approximately #300,000 out fo GRF. Did your Amendments reduce any other opposition?" Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Murphy." Murphy, M.: "Yes, it did." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Granberg."

"So, what organizations were no longer opposed to your Bill as they were in committee?" Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Murphy." Murphy, M.: "DECA, but I was able to respond to their concern. Again they voice these as concerns, Representative and they were fully able to approach me with their concerns and brought to my attention about domestic service employment and theatrical employment agencies and they were convincing in their idea that the consumer protection aspect for the public should be met. Thus the second..." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Got to bring your comments to a close, Representative." Murphy, M.: "That's fine. That's fine." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "She indicates she doesn't want to proceed further. The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Bureau, Representative Mautino."

"Yes, I would like to yield my time to Representative 203  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day Granberg." March 21, 1995 Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Request has been to yield the time to Representative Granberg from Representative Mautino and your request is granted."

"Thank you, Representative Mautino. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Representative Murphy you said that DECA had some concerns as well in committee. But any of the groups that actually were in opposition to your Bill in committee have they changed their position? So organizations like NOW and others are they still opposed to your Bill or have they withdrawn their opposition?" Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Murphy." Murphy, M.: "I would like to correct you, Representative Granberg they...we did not have opposition in committee by DECA." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Granberg."

"The question was have the groups such as the National Organization of Women who filed their opposition to your Bill in committee. Has their support changed now that this Amendment has been adopted and the Bill has moved to the floor?" Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Murphy." Murphy, M.: "I haven't heard from them." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative proceed."

"Thank you. So, I would assume then that if you have not heard from them the National Organization of Women and all the other groups that you mentioned earlier are still in opposition to your Bill." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Murphy." Murphy, M.: "No, I'm not 50 sure about that Representative Granberg. We have boxes of slips that sometime positions change and we don't have a requirement that they pull their slips once they change their position. So, I think it's 204  35th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE March 21, 1995 anyones guess, Representative." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Granberg any further questions."

"So..." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Give your attention to Representative Granberg as he asked these questions. Representative Granberg."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. So it's anyones guess who is in favor of this Bill and who's opposed to it. Is that what your saying?" Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Murphy." Murphy, Μ.: "I have yet to see universally approved Bills this evening, Representative. Are you going to be in favor of this Bill?" Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Granberg."

"Representative, I haven't decided yet as soon as I make sure what's going. So those organizations were in opposition the Department of Labor was neutral, they were natural and they're even more neutral now because you adopted your Amendment. Are they now in favor of your Bill? I just want to clarify this for the record." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Murphy." Murphy, M.: "We like neutral." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Granberg."

"I'm sorry Representative I couldn't hear your response." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "If we could have some order so that Representative Granberg can be satisfied that his response can be heard. Representative Murphy." Murphy, Μ.: "To the best of my knowledge Department of Labor and DECA had been neutral, are neutral, and will be neutral." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Granberg, further 205  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day questions." March 21, 1995

"Thank you. May I ask, Representative, what is Amendment #1 actually do to the Bill?" Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Murphy." Murphy, M.: "It further limits the scope of the deregulation." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Granberg."

"Well, Representative I see the language, does i...it says, individuals who are at least 18 years of age or hold a high school diploma, that then excludes them from the provisions of your Bill?" Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Murphy." Murphy, M.: "Yes, it does." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Granberg."

"And the Amendment talks about theatrical employment agencies or the domestic service employment agencies. What is, I'm not quite sure about this, what is a domestic service employment agency." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Murphy." Murphy, M.: "There would be area with regard to services rendered for home health care." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Granberg."

"This exclusion would not apply to those two groups?" Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Murphy." Murphy, M.: "Could he restate the question?" Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Would you restate the question Representative?"

"So this exclusion would not apply to those two groups, Representative? Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Murphy." Murphy, M.: "The regulation will be maintained for these two groups, Representative." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative." 206  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day

March 21, 1995 "And Representative why is that? What is the rational for doing that?" Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Murphy." Murphy, M.: "I stated the rational earlier Representative. These people SO indicated are not involved in the business to business transactions that we were." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "We'll give the inquirer as well as the Sponsor one more minute. Proceed, Representative Granberg. Do you want to conclude your response Representative Murphy." Murphy, M.: "I thought I was finished, yes." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative questions."

Granberg further Granberg: "And in the Bill itself you delete the compensation criteria, of not less than $15,000 per year. What is the rational for that Representative?" Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Murphy." Murphy, M.: "This again to use the dollar amount was a very narrow criteria it was better to go with the idea behind so that we weren't constantly amending this as the threshold of pay went up." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Granberg if you could bring your remarks to a close."

"Representative Schakowsky yield her time, Mr. Speaker." I believe would like to Speaker Johnson, Tim: "She'll have to be recognized for that purpose SO if you'd bring your remarks to a close Representative. Can you bring your remarks to a close in a minute Representative? Representative could you bring your remarks to a close. Thank you."

"Mr. Speaker, others will continue to ask questions and frankly I wasn't quite sure what I would do on this, but I 207  35th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE March 21, 1995 did note with interest that in the Representatives comments this is going to cost the state $300,000 of the general revenue fund. So, I reluctantly voice my opposition at a time when our small pharmacies aren't being paid, our school teachers health insurance crisis aren't being address, at a time when our pension funds are under funded, at a time we have no money for central state services we're going to cost the state $300,000 for temporary employment services. Now, why should we give a business like temporary man power a tax break. When you hire temporary employees so you can avoid paying benefits, when you can avoid hiring people these people it's going to cost the state $300,000. When we go back to our pharmacies and tell them they can't get paid for a year..." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Please bring your remarks to a close."

"Our nursing homes aren't being paid, we owe $2 billion on medicaid and we're going to give temporary employment services a tax break of $300,00. This is certainly not the right priority of this state. I can't vote for this, not at a time when our people are being deprived of the essential services and I would ask all Members particularly the opposition of the organization of women and other groups to vote, 'no', on this legislation. Thank you." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Tazwell, Representative Ackerman."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I move the previous question." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative from Tazwell has move the previous question. The question is, 'Shall the main question be put?' All in favor signify by saying 'aye'; all opposed by voting 'no'. There's been a request for a roll call. The question is, 'Shall the main question be 208  35th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE March 21, 1995 put?' All in favor signify by voting 'aye' all opposed by voting 'no' the voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question there are 64 voting 'yes', 48 voting 'no', the Motion prevails. The Chair recognizes the Lady from Cook, Representative Murphy to close." Murphy, Μ.: "Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I need to correct the last speaker. This is not about temporary employment agencies it's only about permanent and it's only in that select group of business to business transactions and executive management and professional services. Those constituents of your that pay a fee to an employment agency will still be protected. This has to do where a big firm calls up an employment agency an executive management search says send me ten accountants send me three of these, see me a pair of professionals. It isn't only that limited scoping yes there is a cost there is a cost to the businesses of continuing to have government intrude by having their contracts reviewed, the wording stipulated, inspections, training, taking test for certification they don't need for the job and in short is not no longer necessary. Thirty-seven other states have dropped their regulation and I urge your 'aye' vote. Thank you for your consideration." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "The question is, 'Shall House Bill 182 pass?' All in favor signify by voting 'aye'; all those opposed by voting 'no'. The voting is open. This is final action. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Lang."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I had my light on this entire 209  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day March 21, 1995 time SO I could ask for a verification if it received the required vote and I would ask you to acknowledge that." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Your request will be acknowledged Representative. Mr. Clerk, verification has been requested, the Members will please be in their Chairs and the Clerk will verify the affirmative vote. Mr. Clerk, call the affirmative vote. If everyone could be in their chairs, and the House could be in order SO that the Representative will have the chance to determine who is here and who isn't."

Clerk McLennand: "Those voting in the affirmative. Representatives, Ackerman. Balthis. Biggert. Biggins. Bost. Brady. Churchill. Ciarlo. Clayton. Cowlishaw. Cross. Deuchler. Durkin. Hassert. Hoeft. Hughes. Johnson, Tim. Johnson, Tom. Jones, John. Klingler. Krause. Lachner. Lawfer. Leitch. Lindner. Lyons. McAuliffe. Meyer. Mitchell. Moffitt. Moore, Andrea. Mulligan. Murphy, Maureen. Myers. Noland. O'Connor. Pankau. Parke. Pedersen. Rutherford. Persico. Poe. Roskam. Salvi. Saviano. Schoenberg. Skinner. Spangler. Stephens. Tenhouse. Turner, John. Wait. Weaver. Wennlund. Winkel. Winters. Wirsing. Wojcik. Zabrocki. Zickus and Mr. Speaker." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Mr. Lang and if the chamber could give Mr. Lang your attention. Are there any questions,"

"Yes, Thank you. Representative Balthis?" Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Gentleman in the chamber? He's in the aisle."

"Representative Wojcik?" Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Wojcik is in her Chair."

"Representative Lachner?" Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Lachner is the Gentleman in 210  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day March 21, 1995 the chamber. Representative Lachner? The Gentleman is not in the chamber we'll remove him from the roll call. Representative Lang would like you attention. Representative Lang, proceed with any further verifications."

"Representative Brady?" Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Brady. Representative Brady is the Gentleman in th chamber. Representative is in the chamber. Further questions, Representative Lang."

"Representative Mcauliffe?" Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Mcauliffe is in his seat."

"Representative Saviano?" Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Saviano is the Gentleman in the chamber? The Gentleman is right here. The Gentleman is on the floor. Representative Lang."

"Representative Jones?" Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative John Jones, the Gentleman is in his chair. Representative Lang, further questions."

"Yes, but I need a few seconds Mr. Speaker." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Well you'll certainly be granted that. If the chamber could give Representative Lang you attention and courtesy. Further questions Representative?"

"Yes I will, bear with me a moment, Sir." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Sure."

"I know enough of you Representative. I know just enough. Representative Biggins?" Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Bob Biggins, the Gentleman is here in the front of the aisle. Further questions?"

"Representative Parke?" Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Parke. The Gentleman is in his chair. Further questions, Representative?"

"Oh, yes we have quite a few, just bear with me." 211  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day March 21, 1995 Speaker Johnson, Tim: "I'm bearing with you, Representative. Further questions?"

"Representative Winters?" Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Winters. Is the Gentleman in his chair? Representative Winters. You're removed from the roll call. Further questions, Representative?"

"One moment, please, Mr. Speaker. Representative Fantin?" Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Fantin. Is the Lady in the chamber? Representative Fantin has disappeared from the chamber. She'll be removed from the roll call. Further questions?"

"Representative Pedersen?" Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Representative Pedersen, I believe's the correct pronunciation and Representative Pedersen is in the center aisle. Further questions?"

"No further." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Jersey, Representative Ryder. For what purpose do you rise? If you could give Representative Ryder your attention. Representative Ryder."

"Mr. Speaker, how am I recorded?" Speaker Johnson, Tim: "Mr. Clerk, how's the Gentleman recorded?"

"Representative Ryder is recorded as not voting."

"Record me as 'aye'." Speaker Johnson, Tim: "The Gentleman's recorded as 'aye'. Chair recognizes that Representative Winters has returned to the chamber and will be restored to the roll call. On this question, there are 60 voting 'yes', 48 voting 'no', 3 voting 'present'. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Ryder in the Chair."

"Mr. Clerk, read House Bill 197, please." 212  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day March 21, 1995

"House Bill 197, a Bill for an Act that amends the Metropolitan Water Reclamation District Act. Third Reading of this House Bill."

"The Chair recognizes Representative Zickus."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. House Bill 197 requires the Auditor General of the State of Illinois to annually conduct a financial and compliance audit of the books and records of the Metropolitan Water Reclamation District of greater Chicago. And it further says that it should file a copy of the report of that audit with the Governor and the Legislative Audit Commission. The file will be open to the public for inspection and the cost of the audit shall be charged to the Metropolitan Water Reclamation District. It provides that the Auditor General's audit shall fulfill the Act's requirement that the district have an annual independent audit and repeals the section requiring this audit in July of 1999. There should be no opposition to this Bill. One of the trustees of the Water Reclamation District did testify saying that he thought it was a good Bill and would actually save the district money and I ask for your 'aye' vote."

"Is there any discussion? The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Effingham, Representative Hartke."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Will the Lady yield?"

"The Lady indicates she will."

"Representative Zickus, are we setting a precedent here of, of requiring the Auditor General to go into audit a unit of local government?"

"Representative Zickus."

"And that's not the intent, Representative. This is for the specific unit."

"Representative Hartke." 213  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day

March 21, 1995 "Well, we are setting a precedent, though, if we order the Attorney General, or the Auditor General to go in, even at their request because then if it's done once, it can be done again and again and again. Do you, is there a specific problem with the Chicago Sanitary District that they can't find their own external auditors to do an audit that we have to go to the Auditor General?"

"Representative Zickus."

"The Water Reclamation District does an annual audit right now. We're asking for a fiscal and compliance audit and this is done in answer to some problems that have been happening with ongoing in our area regarding a reservoir expansion project. That's what brought this to a head and the Auditor General's audit does a number of audits at the Legislature's request."

"Representative Hartke."

"Yes, could you name a few of those? I'm not familiar with any."

"Representative Zickus."

"If you'll give me one moment, I will. Performance and special audits, there's been an audit of public aid, child support program, reporting on abuse and neglect, an audit on correctional industry. There all listed in this book."

"Representative Hartke."

"Yes, but aren't those all units of state government and not that of local government?"

"Representative Zickus."

"There's one on Regional Transportation Authority, Chicago Housing Authority, City of Chicago's use of state appropriated funds. There's a number of them in here."

"Representative Hartke."

"Yes, I'm just curious, what do you anticipate this to 214  35th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE March 21, 1995 cost? I think I heard you say we're going to be reimbursed but the Auditor General's Office will be outlaying those dollars to start with. Is that not correct? And then they will be reimbursing the State of Illinois?"

"Representative Zickus."

"We've had the fiscal note. There should be no fiscal impact. According to what they're doing today, the MWRD pays for an audit and this audit will be done at their expense. Trustee Urell, when he testified, said it would probably be saving them a lot of money because they don't have to make as many copies of it."

"Representative Hartke."

"That's not the question I asked. The question I asked was the Auditor General will expend time and money with personnel to do this audit. At that point in time, the Chicago Sanitary District will be reimbursing the State of Illinois. It'll be delay in dollars for the State of Illinois. Is there a time certain that the Chicago Sanitary District will be paying for this audit, for the reimbursed? Now, that's the question I want to know and how much money will we outlay before we will be paid back?"

"Representative Zickus."

"The Water Reclamation District did not think that this was of concern. I'm not sure how many dollars they're talking about but they did not think it was significant.

They do not oppose the Bill nor does the Auditor General. Speaker Ryder: "Excuse me, now Representative Hartke."

"Well, you still haven't answered my question. I want to know a specific dollar amount. I've heard you mention a lot, not a lot of money, not a significant a lot of money. What is a significant amount of money in your opinion and what do you anticipate that this audit will cost? Surely, 215  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day March 21, 1995 you have some idea from the Chicago Sanitary District, what their audits have cost in the past and how much anticipated savings could be made by the Sanitary District. And is there a time certain that they will reimburse the State of Illinois for these, this audit?"

"Representative Zickus."

"At this time I do not have a dollar figure. Again, it was not a concern to the Water Reclamation District. There is not a time specific that they would be reimbursed but it is not of concern to them."

"Representative Hartke, you're out of time. The Chair recognizes Representative Granberg."

"Thank you. Will the Lady yield?"

"Representative, she indicates that she will."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. You do an admirable job. You do an admirable job, thank you."

"Representative Granberg, so far, so good. Thank you."

"Representative Zickus, you made a comment in response to Representative Hartke. I just want to confirm this. The Auditor General's Office is no longer opposed to your Bill?"

"Representative Zickus."

"The Auditor General's Office has never told me that they were opposed to their Bill. I've never heard of any opposition from them."

"Representative Granberg."

"Thank you, Representative, because that's what I was curious about. Our analysis showed that the Auditor General's Office was opposed and I had a conversation with Mr. Holland this afternoon. We did not talk about your legislation so that kind of surprised me. So, the Auditor 216  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day General's whatsoever?" March 21, 1995

Office has never indicated any opposition Speaker Ryder: "Representative Zickus."

"Not indicated opposition to me or to my staff."

"Representative Granberg."

"So your only opponent is the Metropolitan Water and Reclamation District?"

"Excuse me, Representative Representative Zickus."

Granberg. Zickus: "They did not file as an opponent. They testified Trustee Buss Urell was down here and supporting the Bill. said he thought it was a good Bill."

"Representative Granberg."

"Thank you. Representative, see that was also my understanding that Mr. Urell testified against the Bill so there seem to be some confusion on this. So I just want to make sure that that is not the case."

"Representative Zickus."

"I believe Trustee Urell Commissioner Urell, might have come down at the very beginning before the Bill was called but the day that we called the Bill in committee, he was there and he did put in the record that he thought it was a good Bill and that, in fact, that it would probably save them money."

"Representative Granberg."

"Thank you, Representative. One other concern, if the Auditor General has not shown any opposition to this Bill or if, in fact, they are not a proponent, I believe this would cause them to undertake this audit function and would they be given any funds, additional funds, in order to comply with this provision?"

"Representative Zickus." 217  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day

March 21, 1995 "The Water Reclamation District would bear the cost of the audit."

"Representative Granberg."

"And the Auditor General's Office would be reimbursed by the district for any costs they incur during the audit?"

"Representative Zickus."

"They will be reimburse, my understanding is that they will be reimbursed after the fact but not upfront."

"Representative Granberg."

"So, the audit would be conducted by the Auditor General. They would then submit a bill to the district itself or would they submit, who would they submit the bill to and who would actually pay for that cost, the district?"

"Representative Zickus."

"MWRD would be responsible for the cost."

"Representative Granberg."

"The Auditor General would submit the bill to the district after the completion of the audit?"

"Representative Zickus. Representative Zickus."

"I said, correct."

"Now, Representative Granberg."

"Thank you, Representative."

"Were you finished, Representative Granberg? The Chair recognizes Representative Lang."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"The Lady indicates she will. Representative Lang."

"Thank you. Thank you. Representative, what, what other agency or government that is not a state agency, does the Auditor General audit?"

"Representative Zickus."

"RTA for one. I would have to look through the Chicago 218  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day March 21, 1995 Board of Education for another and this is according to the State Audit's Book that all of us recently received from the Auditor General."

"Representative Lang."

"What reason do you have for requiring the Water Reclamation District to submit to this audit? Have there been any discrepancies noted in their books? Is not their current audit sufficient for your purposes?"

"Representative Zickus."

"As I explained before, there's been some projects in our area that have raised some concern. A good part of it is the MWRD's attitude. They're not responsive to the people that are in the community and they seem to answer to no one. Questions have been asked of them. We don't get answers on it, so we are asking for this audit, not only this financial audit but a compliance audit."

"The Chair would ask the cooperation of the House to keep the level a little lower. Representative Lang."

"Can you give us some examples, Representative, of why you want to punish this board? What, what questions haven't they answered? What response haven't they given to what community groups?"

"Representative Zickus."

"I'm not, nobody's trying to punish the board. They have taken some actions that are very questionable in regard to the McCook Reservoir Expansion Project and they are some questions. We want to know how much money was being spent on it, how they can unilaterally and without public, comment proceed with some of the plans that they had proposed. Questions have been asked of them and we've been told that we have to file under the Freedom of Information Act for answers." 219  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day

"Representative Lang." March 21, 1995

"Doesn't the current law require them to do an audit and won't that answer your questions? Why do we need a second audit?"

"Representative Zickus."

"They are currently required to do a financial audit. This is not a second audit. It is an independent audit that will be in place of the one that they are currently required by statute to do."

"Representative Lang."

"Well, can we assume that the reason for your Bill is because you're not, you're not in favor of this McCook Reservoir situation and don't you have another Bill to remedy that problem?"

"Representative Zickus."

"There are a number of Bills that address that problem. This one, this particular Bill deals with a fiscal and compliance audit."

"Representative Lang."

"Well, Representative, it sounds to me like another series of unanswered questions. The question I think the Body would like an answer to is why do we need this audit when there's another separate audit procedure in place?"

"Representative Zickus."

"The audit procedure in place is a financial audit. We are asking for a financial and compliance audit. This is not in addition to that, it is in place of that. This is an independent audit that we just feel more comfortable with. It does have a sunset in it in 1999."

"Representative Lang."

"Well, what, tell me what a compliance audit is? Perhaps you can enlighten me. What will this Bill do that is not 220  35th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE March 21, 1995 currently in the law? What...what do you want from the Water Reclamation District that they aren't currently automatically supplying under the current law?"

"Representative Zickus."

"There are, there are a couple of things. Why did the Water Reclamation District proceed to take land from Electromotive Division before the Army Corp of Engineers had their results published to determine if that extra storage place was even needed? How much money was spent on that? Where are the economic impact studies. There are a number of questions that are unanswered."

"Representative Lang."

"Well, you've named one area. Are there others?"

"Is that, I'm sorry, was that a ...I apologize. Representative Zickus."

"Yeah, I'm sure there are others. How much land does the district own? Where is it? How much of the land is rented out? For how much?"

"Representative Lang, under 25 seconds. The Chair recognizes Representative Lang."

"Thank you. Representative Harold Murphy would like to yield his time to me, Sir."

"Representative Lang, next on my list to speak is Representative Lyons. I don't see, it's, when we recognize Representative Murphy, I'll be happy to accommodate his wish, Sir. Representative Lang."

"Since you won't allow yielding of the time to me now, I'll wait for my turn again, Sir."

"Very well, Sir. Representative Lyons."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I rise in support of this Bill. It has been my experience in dealing with the Metropolitan Water 221  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day March 21, 1995 Reclamation District that they have not been responsive to the concerns of the community, the people who elected them regarding the reservoir project in McCook. Questions such as how does a reservoir project plan go from 10 1/2 billion gallons to 27 billion gallons? One village alone had to spend over $15,000 to fight such an expansion. What law firm handled the McCook Reservoir Expansion case for the district? What was it's hourly billing rate? How much billing has been done to date and how much will occur? Were any public relation firms hired? At what cost? What type of property does the district hold and does it pay property taxes on these holdings? Is the district in compliance with state regulations? Why aren't alternative proposals to the McCook Project fully researched and studied? There are just too many unanswered questions regarding the district and I think an audit is imperative and I strongly urge a support of this Bill. Thank you."

"The Chair would recognize a Lady from Cook, Representative Currie."

"Thank you, Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield to a few questions?"

"She indicates she'll yield. Representative Currie."

"Representative Zickus, did I understand you to say that this audit requirement in your Bill would replace the current audit requirement that the Metropolitan Water Reclamation District has to observe. Is that right?"

"Representative Zickus."

"That's correct, Representative."

"Representative Currie."

"And do you anticipate that the cost of this audit would be identical to the cost of the audits that the 222  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE March 21, 1995 35th Legislative Day Metropolitan Water Reclamation District traditionally has hired to meet the requirements of the current Act?"

"Representative Zickus."

"It would, the cost will probably be less. The Commissioner from the MWRD, when he testified, said that he thought that this would save them money. That it would cost them less than what they're paying now."

"Representative Currie."

"So, so, and you buy that analysis. You think, well, to the Bill, Speaker."

"Representative Currie, to the Bill."

"If it's true, if it's true that this audit is going to cost less than the current Act requires the Water Reclamation District, what in the world is this Bill about? Are we going to find out less under the provisions of House Bill 197, about how well that local government does its job. Then we know under the current requirement that faces that agency? For this to cost less suggests to me either that our Auditor General is cheap, and I'm sure that's not true, or that, in fact, what the Sponsor is perpetrating upon us is an effort to keep the people from knowing exactly how that agency does business. If you want to make sure this agency lives up to its mandate, leave the act alone and make them pay the going price. But there's a better reason to oppose this Bill and that is that we ought to be about in this Assembly looking to our own House and our own problems. Let me tell you, Speaker and Members of this Assembly, that we have serious, serious problems with our healthy moms, healthy kids program to the tune of a $5 1/2 million overpayment to a private firm that operates out of the State of Illinois in Virginia. Five and a half million dollars in costs that we pay them for work they did 223  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day March 21, 1995 not perform. And you know what our Department of Public Aid asked for back? $500,000, $500,000 on a $5 1/2 million payment for services that were not rendered. If we're into an auditing mode, Speaker and Members of this House, let's do the audit where it may make a difference. Let's do the audit where we know we're paying for things we aren't getting. Let's forget about asking the Water Reclamation District to provide less information than they provide today and let's think about how it is that the Department of Public Aid figures that we should only get back 10¢ on the dollar that we overpaid First Health for failing to provide adequate services to women and children in the state's Medicaid program. This Bill is going in the wrong direction for the Water Reclamation District and it's going absolutely 360 degrees in the wrong direction for the taxpayers of this state. I urge a 'no' vote."

"The Chair recognizes a Gentleman from Vermilion, Representative Black."

"Yes, thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"The Lady indicates she will yield to questions."

"Thank you. Representative Zickus, at the committee hearing on this Bill, did the Metropolitan Water Reclamation District or any of its representatives file a witness slip in opposition to this Bill?"

"Representative Zickus."

"Yes, Representative, in fact, Commissioner Urell testified in support of the Bill."

"Representative Black."

"So let me get this straight, no one from the Metropolitan Water Reclamation District filed a witness slip in opposition to the Bill and in fact, you're telling me a 224  35th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE March 21, 1995 commissioner filed a witness slip in support?"Speaker

"Representative Zickus."

"I didn't see the witness slip. The commissioner testified, gave oral testimony in support of it."

"Representative Black."

"To the best of your knowledge, did anyone file a slip in opposition to this Bill when heard in committee?"

"Representative Zickus."

"No."

"Representative Black."

"How many Democrats voted against this Bill in committee?"

"Representative Zickus."

"One."

"Representative Black."

"That means that there were six Democrats present, six Democrat voting 'aye' for the Bill in committee. Is that correct?"

"Representative Zickus."

"Correct. I believe there were a total of 15 'yes' votes, 1 'no'."

"Representative Black."

"Well, that's very interesting and thank you very much, for your time and your patience, Representative. The issue is very simple. It had a fair hearing in committee. Every Democrat but one, voted for it. A commissioner of the Water Reclamation District testified in favor of it. Nobody filed a witness slip in opposition. It comes down to this, if you're opposed to an audit, vote 'no', if you favor an audit so maybe the sunshine can come in to any agency in the state, this one having to deal with something in the area of the City of Chicago and suburban Cook, vote 'aye'. It's that simple. You don't need to fillerbuster 225  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day March 21, 1995 it until midnight tonight. Put your vote up there. If you favor a little sunshine on a place that's had more than a little bit of cloud, vote 'aye'. If you don't want the public to know what's going on in this monolithic structure that's had a few rain clouds in its history, then vote 'no' and continue to bamboozle the good public of Chicago and the County of Cook. I say fee the people of Chicago. Free the people of Cook, vote 'aye'."

"The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Tazewell, Mr. Ackerman."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think Representative Black made some very good points, and I move the previous question."

"The previous question, the previous question has been put. All those in favor of putting the previous question, shall vote 'aye'; all those opposed shall vote 'no'. The voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk, shall take the roll. On this issue, there are 67 voting 'aye', 46 voting 'nay'. The Motion is passed. The previous question is put. The Chair recognizes Representative Zickus to close."

"This Bill will be open to the public for inspection. There's nothing secret about it. It is not costing the state any money. It is costing the Water Reclamation District less money. It is, there's no cost to the Auditor General's Office so I urge your 'aye' vote."

"The question is, 'Shall House Bill 197 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye'; those opposed vote 'nay'. The voting is open. This is final action. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the Record. On this question, there 226  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day March 21, 1995 are 94 'ayes', 16 'nays', none voting 'present'. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. The Chair recognizes a Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Murphy. For what purpose does the Gentleman seek recognition, Sir?" Murphy, H.: "Mr. Speaker, before they moved the previous question, my light was on and you told me you would recognize me when Representative Lang was speaking. Now, because I don't do a lot of talk here, I'm a Representative like everyone else here and I demand you recognize me. I haven't...Mr. Speaker?"

"Were you finished, Sir? Mr. Murphy?" Murphy, H.: "I have not used a lot of time here, so what we need to do is go back and revisit this vote we just took, 'cause I wanted to speak to it."

"Sir, the Motion was put. A Roll Call Vote of 67 was taken and that eliminated the opportunity for all further people to proceed. Mr. Brunsvold, Mr. Brunsvold, the Chair acknowledges that you have filed a Motion to reconsider, House Bill 150. The Chair calls that Motion for consideration at this time. Mr. Brunsvold, on the Motion."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think there was enough confusion about Mr. Lang's concern about the Bill that having voted on the prevailing side of that issue, I thought, I ought to move to reconsider the vote since Mr. Lang's questions were not answered in that light and that's why I have made that Motion."

"Mr. Brunsvold has moved to reconsider the vote by which House Bill 150 was passed. Is there any discussion on that? The Chair would recognize the Gentleman from Will, Representative Wennlund." 227  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I move Motion."

"Mr. Wennlund?"

"I withdraw the Motion." March 21, 1995 the table that

"Motion shall be, the Motion to table shall be withdrawn. Is further discussion on that Motion? The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Turner." Turner, A.: "Mr. Speaker, I want to on the, I'd like to be recognized after we finish this Bill. This is regarding the last Bill. I wanted to save my remarks for that Bill."

"Thank you. Is there discussion on the Motion? The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Lang. On the Motion, Sir."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think in all fairness, Members should vote green on this. You'll recall that when Speaker Johnson was in the Chair, he acknowledged that he accidentally ignored my request for verification. First he acknowledged my request for verification and then he went on to say well, you had 77 votes, we assumed you didn't want a verification. He then acknowledged he was in error taking that request away from me. So, I think in all fairness to both sides and to all Members who wish to see a verification on that, we should reconsider this vote. We should put the previous question again or allow further debate on House Bill 150 and let the vote take its course and allow me my verification and I would appreciate the Members show that courtesy considering, Representative Johnson who is sitting where you are now, previously indicated his error on that and for those who weren't on the Floor, I'm sure Mr. Johnson would now acknowledge that error."

"Any further discussion? The Chair recognizes the 228  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day Lady from Cook, Representative Davis." March 21, 1995 Davis, M.: "Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise in support of Representative Harold Murphy in reference in his being allowed to speak on House Bill 197. Thank you."

"Representative Davis, the Motion before us is to reconsider House Bill 150. I will be happy to recognize you to discuss the Motion or afterwards if you wish to rise on a point of personal privilege. The Chair will recognize you but I would ask you to restrict your remarks to the Motion before us, please. Representative Davis." Davis, M.: "Okay, Mr. Speaker, after we reconsider this vote, let's reconsider 197, thank you."

"The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Madison, Representative Stephens."

"We would like immediate consideration of the Motion."

"Thank you. Seeing no further discussion, the Motion before the House is, 'Shall the House reconsider the vote by which House Bill 150 was passed?' Those in favor of the Motion to reconsider, should vote 'aye; those opposed should vote 'nay'. Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the roll. On this Motion to reconsider the vote by which House Bill 150 was passed, 49 voted 'aye', 64 voted 'no', and the Motion fails. Representative Davis. The Chair's received a Motion filed by Representative Turner to reconsider the vote by which House Bill 197 was passed. We shall hear that Motion at this time. Representative Davis, I apologize. I will recognize you as soon as, as soon as the Motions are completed. The Motion before the House is, 'Shall the vote by which House Bill 197 passed filed by Representative Turner?' Representative Turner on the Motion." 229  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day Turner, Arthur: March 21, 1995 "Thank, thank you, Mr. Speaker. I don't intend to delay the action here in the House, but this is only in fairness to one of our Members here, in particular, Representative Harold Murphy, who was promised that he would be given the opportunity to speak on this Bill that I sent this Motion to the Body in. So, I ask in fairness to each and every Member here that he be given that opportunity and so therefore, I move that we reconsider the vote by which House Bill 197 passed."

"Is there further discussion on this issue? The Chair recognizes a Gentleman from Cook, Representative Lang."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentleman of the House. This Motion I'm sure comes because Mr. Turner feels that Mr. Murphy's been abused in this process. Representative Murphy had his light on for a very long time and as Mr. Murphy says himself, he doesn't speak often on the Floor of this House and we really expect that those who are in the Chair when Members wish to speak, particularly Members that aren't quite as verbose as some of us, they should be given the special courtesy of being allowed to speak and when the Chair ignores the lights of Members who would like to speak, when those that don't speak quite so often, I think the Chair does them a disservice and so I think that it would be appropriate that the Members on this vote be a little more interested in the spirit of fairness than they were in the previous vote to reconsider where I noticed the person who made the error on my request for verification, still voted against me after acknowledging the error. I think on this vote, however, we have to allow Mr. Murphy and others, the right to speak and I think continual Motions to call the previous question are not what this 230  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day March 21, 1995 Body should be all about. Continual Motions to call the previous question continue to cut off debate, continue to make the process one that will be a mockery because the people that send us here expect that we will speak our mind. Many of us do quite often, others less often but those of us who are here, all 118 have a right and responsibility to represent their constituents. These continual Motions to cut off debate do everyone in the State of Illinois a disservice and truly are an embarrassment to this Body and I would implore the Members to reconsider this vote so Mr. Murphy can say his peace."

"The Chair recognizes a Lady from Cook, Representative Davis." Davis, M.: "Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I believe that many times we listen to the testimony of our colleagues on the Floor and it helps to enlighten us and we make decisions very often based upon what we hear on the Floor and when we deny people the opportunity to express their knowledge or opinion, then you limit many of us from greater knowledge in reference to the subject matter on which we are deciding to vote. I believe that my...my honored and very esteemed colleague, Harold Murphy, certainly deserves an opportunity to express his views and knowledge on House Bill 197, the Bill that amends the Water Metropolitan Reclamation District, and I would urge and beg of you, Mr. Speaker, to allow my colleague the right to speak as we heard so many others speak. He's such a Gentleman until he let the Bill get taken before you heard him. Many of us would have jumped on our desk and done other things to get your attention. But, because he is the esteemed Gentleman that he is, he simply thought his light should get your attention. So we urge you, Mr. Speaker, to allow us in 231  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day March 21, 1995 this Body to hear his testimony on this particular Bill. Thank you."

"The Chair recognizes a Gentleman from Clinton, Representative Granberg."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I simply rise in support of the Motion of Representative Murphy had a representation or he believed a representation that he would be called upon. He relied on that representation. With due respect to the Speaker, Representative Murphy has a great respect for the Gentleman or Lady who sits in your Chair. He always has and I think that representation, if it was made should be followed through, SO I would ask that we reconsider the votes. Mr. Murphy does have the rights to speak in this Body as is previously indicated, he does not utilize that right a great deal. I think we ought to honor his requests or any Members requests, no matter what side of the aisle to utilize that right."

"The Chair recognizes a Gentleman from Logan, Representative Turner. Unless you've moved, Representative Turner, from Cook County, I think I said the Gentleman from Logan, Mr. Turner. Touche. Then the Chair recognizes a Gentleman from Madison, Representative Stephens."

"Well, I think we all have a great deal of respect for Representative Murphy but that's not what the question is about. Many of our lights have been on and many of us have thought we were, have made visual contact with the Chair and thought we were going to be recognized. Harold, I would, I would like to hear what you have to say but maybe we could do that at another time because I think that we all admit that it's not going to change the outcome of this vote and with all due respect to you, I don't think our vote reflects at all our feeling of respect and admiration 232  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day March 21, 1995 that we have for you, and Mr. Speaker, I would move the previous question."

"The Chair would ask for your attention. The Chair would ask for your attention because the Chair wishes to recognize the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Murphy. Thank you." Murphy, Harold: "Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. And because I was totally upset, I was prepared not to say anything but when the Gentleman said that he'll hear from me later, I'm doubly upset. Now, now when I had my light on, you clearly recognized me and said after Lang, Representative Lang spoke, I could speak. So, I'm glad that we have a lot of people in here respect me because I respect everyone in here, no matter what side of the aisle they might sit on. But I'm asking for an apology from this Gentleman over here, who said that he would hear from me later because if he was speaking and wanted to speak to a Bill, what good would it be to hear from him in the next Session? So who is that Representative, I need to talk to him. Who is it, Stephens? Representative Stephens?"

"The Chair would, excuse me Representative. The Chair would ask the Body to give their attention to the Gentleman whom they seem to be so intent upon allowing to speak. Representative Murphy, you still have the Floor, Sir." Murphy, H.: "Yes, Representative Stephens used my name in debate so I would like to speak to him directly, right now. Call on him."

"Representative Murphy, the floor is yours." Murphy, H.: "Pardon me. Where's Representative Stephens? You used my name in debate, Sir, so let's debate. Come one, grab the mike. You said you'd hear from me later, let's 233  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day talk now. Me and you, you and I."

March 21, 1995 "Representative Murphy, Representative Murphy, the Chair has recognized you to speak to the Motion to reconsider. That is the issue before us, Sir. Representative Murphy." Murphy, H.: "But Representative used my name in debate so I have to clear that matter first, and then I'll speak to the Motion."

"Representative, Representative Murphy, the issue before us, Sir, and you were recognized to debate the issue on the Motion to reconsider. That is the purpose for which you rose. That is the purpose for which you were recognized. Representative Murphy." Murphy, H.: "Mr. Speaker, but I have to speak to the Gentleman who changed the course."

"Representative Murphy, I asked you please to speak to the Motion to reconsider. Representative Murphy." Murphy, H.: "Why can't I speak to the issue that's at hand?"

"The issue at hand, Sir, is the issue to reconsider." Murphy, H.: "The issue at hand, no, no, no. That was the previous issue. The issue at hand is Stephen's and, and, and personal privilege and point of order on the Speaker. He's the one that spoke out of..."

"Representative Murphy, on the Motion, Sir." Murphy, H.: "He's the one that spoke out of turn."

"Representative Murphy." Murphy, H.: "Stephen. I want Stephen's."

"Not now, Representative Murphy. Representative Murphy." Murphy, H.: "I'll tell you what, I'll yield my other two minutes, 23 minutes to Representative Lang." 234  35th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE March 21, 1995

"Representative Lang, you have a minute seven, Sir. On the Motion."

"I, I will yield the remainder of Representative Murphy's time to Representative Hoffman."

"No, Sir, either you speak, either you use the time or it is not to be used. Representative Hoffman is still on the list. Representative Lang."

"Well, I certainly can use up 40 seconds doing something, Mr. Speaker. It seems to me, Mr. Speaker, that you have, Representative Murphy when he got up to speak on the Motion, also had a point of personal privilege. Representative Murphy's entitled to speak not only to the Motion but on the point of personal privilege and in not, I see the clock, Sir. And in not allowing him to speak to both, you have abused him. You have abused your position, Sir. You have abused the Chair. He has a right to speak not only to the Motion to reconsider but to his point of personal privilege and I would ask that you go back to him so he can speak to his point of personal privilege."

"The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Tazewell, Representative Ackerman. Representative Ackerman."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I move the previous question."

"The Gentleman has requested to move the previous question. The previous question shall be put. On this vote all those in favor of putting the previous question, shall vote 'aye. Shall vote 'aye'; those opposed, shall vote 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk, shall take the record. On the Motion to put the previous question, 64 voted 'yes', 50 voted 'no'. The Motion shall pass. The previous question shall be put. 235  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day Representative Turner March 21, 1995 to close on his Motion. Representative Turner, from Cook." Turner, A.: "Thank you, Mr. Speaker. You've got the right Turner and on behalf of this General Assembly, this august Body that we all appreciate, I think this issue has been discussed enough tonight and I will withdraw my Motion."

"The Motion to reconsider the vote has been withdrawn. On the Order of... Representative Stephens for what purpose do you rise, Sir?"

"A point of personal privilege....."

"You are recognized for a point of personal privilege."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Representative Murphy, in my previous remarks after coming over, you indicated that I may have been offensive and that was not my intention and I would like to publicly apologize to you if I offended you in any way, Sir."

"We will now proceed, continue on the Order of Third Readings. Mr. Clerk, read House Bill 234."

"House Bill, House Bill 234, a Bill for an Act in relation to certain types of actions. Third Reading of this House Bill."

"House Bill 234, Representative Stephens."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. House Bill 234 is the...makes technical corrections to the Code of Civil Procedure and the Joint Torte fesaor Contribution Act and Wrongful Death Act and the Worker's Compensation Act. There is no substantive language in the Bill. We'd like to send it to the Senate SO this position should we need it for later language, it will be so positioned and I move its passage."

"Ladies and Gentleman, you have heard Is there any discussion? The Representative Stephens. 236  35th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE March 21, 1995 Chair recognizes the Gentleman form Clinton, Representative Granberg."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Gentleman yield?"

"The Gentleman indicates that he would yield. Representative Granberg."

"Representative Stephens, what is in House Bill 234? Is there anything in the Bill itself, currently?"

"Representative Stephens."

"At this point, it is a three-wheeler, Representative. It has just technical changes in order to make it qualify as a piece of legislation and it is a commonly considered a vehicle Bill here in the chamber and I believe that we should just go ahead move it out."

"Representative Granberg."

"Has some concerns arisen, Representative, since the initial passage of the legislation, that there might be problems with that legislation?"

"Representative Stephens."

"No, I have no indication as to the final disposition of this Bill, but as you know we have talked about a lot of issues this year in the area of torte reform and other related areas and we want this Bill in a position in the Senate should it be necessary if both sides of the aisle are in need of a Bill in such a position for later language, we may want to use it. If you want to debate a vehicle Bill, then I would suggest that, that's being dilatory and I would ask someone to so move."

"Representative Granberg."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Representative Stephens, my concern is to address to this issue because we normally pass Trailer Bills for every piece of legislation we pass out of this Body, so I don't know why the need for this 237  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day March 21, 1995 Bill itself but at the current point in time. So, that was my question, Sir, as to what has arisen our...to cause this concern to pass this Bill right now."

"Representative Stephens."

"I believe I've answered his question."

"Representative Granberg."

"Thank you, to the Bill, Mr. Speaker."

"Representative Granberg, to the Bill."

"We normally in this Body, we don't pass pieces of legislation to trail other Bills. Now we have this Bill before us to, to bring about something that we don't know what. We don't know what the Senate will do. We don't know what this Bill is needed for. We passed the torte reform on the fast track agenda. If there are concerns about that legislation, they should have been addressed, then. You only see what happens when you ram through legislation without giving it due course. This is one of the problems with that type of agenda or you intentionally ram through legislation without having the normal debate, without having the normal input, and now we have trailer legislation. I would submit this will not be the only Bill that we would see for trailer legislation. We will see it on others as well because we know there have been substantial problems caused by the fast track agenda and now we're going to be using the rest of the Session to address those concerns. We don't need this Bill. We should give every Bill due course, due hearing. We should slow the process down and try to do our best to resolve it. We don't need trailer legislation and I would ask for a 'no' vote."

"The Chair recognizes a Gentleman from Cook, Representative Blagojevich." 238  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day

March 21, 1995 "Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you very much. Let me just briefly say that I think all of us ought to really kind of maybe perhaps lower the tempo down in this Body and perhaps consider the Golden Rule: doing unto others as we would have others doing unto us. And I think in that last Bill with regard to Representative Murphy, we ought to do unto him as you would do unto Representative Maureen Murphy and I would urge you, and I would like to allot the rest of my time to go to Harold Murphy so that he can continue to say the things he was trying to say earlier so I yield the remainder of my time to Representative Harold Murphy and please do unto him as you would do unto Representative Maureen Murphy. Thank you."

"The Chair acknowledges the request to yield time from Representative Blagojevich to Representative Murphy. The Chair recognizes Representative Murphy on the Bill, Sir." Murphy, H.: "Mr. Speaker, I had my light on but I rise to...for personal privilege."

"Sir, Sir, you are not, Representative Murphy, if I may, you are not recognized on an item of personal privilege, Sir. You're recognized on the Bill. Please speak to the Bill. Representative Murphy." Murphy, H.: "I pass on the Bill and wait for you to recognize me on personal privilege."

"The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Lang."

"Thank you. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"The Sponsor indicates he'll yield."

"Representative, you're amending a Section 2-1117 of the Code of Civil Procedure regarding joint liability. What is joint liability? What is this Section all about in the 239  35th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE March 21, 1995 Code of Civil Procedure, Sir?"

"Representative Stephens."

"Representative, I am not inclined to get into a discussion about the various questions that you can invent over there all evening. If you want to stall on a technical Bill that you know is, has no substitutive language in it. It is just a vehicle Bill. I'm not going to fall into your simple little trap. I'm sorry."

"Representative Lang."

"So, are you stating for the record that you're refusing to answer my question. This is your Bill, Sir. You're amending the Section regarding joint liability. Do you not know what it does?"

"Representative Stephens."

"Again, that is not the issue. Representative, you can eat up as much time as you want. If you want the record to say that I failed to respond to what I considered a dilatory and, and, well, I won't use the other adjectives for your comments but then let the record so reflect that I refused to answer a dilatory question."

"Representative Lang."

"I'm sure the record will reflect that you refused to answer. So you don't think it's relevant that you're amending the joint liability statute, the Joint Torte Feasure Contribution Act, the Wrongful Death Act, and the Worker's Compensation Act? And so you don't feel you need to answer any questions about those Acts that you're amending here today?"

"Representative Stephens."

"Mr. Speaker, obviously those questions are only meant to waste time and if that's what they're meant for and I know that they are, then I'm not going to answer them. 240  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day March 21, 1995 When this Bill has substitutive language in it, Mr. Speaker, then I will be glad. I will be more than happy to take the Gentleman from Cook on in a very detailed debate about the substitutive language that will eventually, possibly be in this Bill but at this time since it is an empty vehicle, you are, I think we are out of order in continuing to discuss it."

"The Chair recognizes Representative Lang."

"Thank you. Well, I look forward to that substitutive debate, Sir. On page two of the Bill, line four, also line one and two, you add the word after his or her, is this your attempt to bring about some equal rights in the civil justice system or is this just vehicle language?"

"Representative Stephens."

"Do I take it that you don't want me to be politically correct?"

"Representative Lang."

"I didn't hear the question."

"Representative Lang."

"I didn't hear his question."

"Representative Stephens."

"I questioned whether the Gentleman wanted me to be politically correct."

"Representative Lang."

"Well, I think I'll ask the questions because he's the Sponsor. the question is, did you add the words 'or her' on those two lines because you're trying to bring about some equal rights changes or is it simply just a technical change so that you can get the Bill to the Senate?"

"Representative Stephens."

"Representative, if you want to discuss those very deep issues at some other time, I'd be glad to but of course, 241  35th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE March 21, 1995 the addition of this language is not substitutive, it just makes a technical change, adds two words that puts this Bill in a position where we can bring it to Third Reading and move it to the Senate. And that is the purpose, that's the fifth time I've had to tell you that it is there for no particular purpose and I would be glad to continue to answer your dilatory questions, if you want to continue to be dilatory."

"Representative lang."

"So, thank you for telling us that the words, 'or her', serve no useful purpose whatsoever in your mind. Let me ask you this, do you have any idea how many times during the last term of the General Assembly, you stood up on the House Floor to rant and rave against vehicle Bills?"

"Representative Stephens."

"Are you referring to the 88th General Assembly?"

"Representative Lang."

"Yes."

"Representative Stephens."

"No, I do not remember."

"Representative Lang."

"Well, I'd hope to have account for you soon. It was a quite a few times. Mr. Speaker, to the Bill."

"To the Bill, Representative Lang. 42 seconds."

"That's fine. I can wrap it up in 42 minutes, 42 seconds. Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentleman, when you stand on the Floor of this House with a Bill, you have the responsibility to know what's in the Bill. You have a responsibility to know what the Bill's about. You have a responsibility to know where the Bill's going. You have the responsibility to know what you want to do with that Bill and you have a responsibility to understand every line 242  35th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE March 21, 1995 of the Bill, every Act you're amending. The Representative stands before us without any idea what he wants to do with this Bill and without any idea what it does. He's admitted that. I don't see how you can vote for a Bill when the Sponsor doesn't know what it's about. Vote 'no'."

"Representative Stephens, to close."

"Well, I supposed I should be insulted, but I'm not. The Gentleman, I guess, wanted me to go through and tell him that we changed 'shall be' to 'is' and 'shall be' to 'are' in another line and added the word 'or her' in several locations. He made all sorts of implications but I guess that's his job and you're doing a good job of it if that's what the job title calls for, you're completing your task. Mr. Speaker, I would move favorable consideration and move 'do pass'."

"The question is, 'Shall House Bill 234 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye'; all those opposed, vote 'nay'. The voting is open. This is final action. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question, there are 63...64 'ayes', 49 'noes', 1 voting 'present'. The Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. The Chair recognizes Representative Murphy on a point of personal privilege. Representative Murphy." Murphy, H.: "Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would just like to accept Representative Stephens' apology for the Gentleman that he is. Thank you very much, Representative Stephens."

"Thank you, Representative Murphy. Mr. Clerk, read House Bill 309."

"House Bill 309, a Bill for an Act amending the Civil Administrative Code of Illinois. Third Reading of 243  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day this House Bill." March 21, 1995

"The Chair recognizes Representative Flowers."

"Mr. Speaker, would you please take this Bill out of the record because there needs to be a technical Amendment placed on this Bill? Excuse me, Mr. Speaker, why are you smiling like that?"

"Times only come once in awhile, Representative. This may be the one opportunity. Representative Flowers."

"I will be more than happy to pass the Bill as is with the agreement that the technicality will be corrected in the Senate."

"The Chair cannot pass anything on behalf of the Senate. What is your pleasure, Representative?"

"Representative, I will, I will, I'll go for it."

"Representative, proceed to present House Bill 309."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, House Bill 309 codifies already existing language that the Department of Public Health already have the Minority Heath Panel, thank you, in place and what this does is codify existing language and I'll be more than happy to address any questions you may have in regards to House Bill 309."

"You heard the Lady. Is there any discussion on the Bill? The Chair recognizes a Gentleman, from Vermilion, Representative Black."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"Representative Flowers, will you yield? She indicates that she will. Representative Black. Representative Black?"

"Yes, thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Representative, what section of the Civil Administrative Code are you 244  35th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE March 21, 1995 amending with this Bill?"

"Representative Flowers."

"Section 20, the Illinois complied statutes 2310/55.62A and 2310/5580 and that's new."

"Representative Black."

"Yes, in other words, you're adding sections 55-62A and 55-80. That's what you're adding, correct?"

"Representative Flowers."

"Yes."

"Representative Black."

"Yes, and what legislation are you creating by adding those two Sections to the Civil Administrative Code?"

"Representative Flowers."

"We are having the Department of Public Health to examine, would you like for me to read all eight items or would you like for me to summarize by saying that we are creating the Minority Health Panel and we're also to address the health status of minorities and the number of minorities being served by health professions."

"Representative Black."

"I take it the Committee Amendment then eliminated the request for a study on the spousal abuse?"

"Representative Flowers."

"Yes, you're right."

"Representative Black."

"On the...it's my understanding now the Department of Public Health, under your legislation, is to address the health status of minorities and the number of minorities serving as health professionals. How is he to, how is he or she to address that?"

"Representative Flowers."

"By examining, by examining minority access to health 245  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day care and March 21, 1995 in health care minority representation professions, by developing and monitoring and tracking mechanism for programs with minority health goals, contact statewide health organization to learn more about their services to the minority community, promoting communication between staff agencies that provide services to minorities, also to build coalitions with leadership in the minority communities, to encourage recruitment of minority health professionals, reducing communication barriers for non-English speaking residents, coordinating the development and the dissemination of culturally appropriate and sensitive educational material, public awareness messages, health promotion programs for minorities."

"Representative Black."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'm particularly interested in that coalition building section. Is there any teeth in this legislation to make sure that we build those coalitions?"

"Representative Flowers."

"No pun intended, but what do you mean, teeth?"

"Representative Black."

"Well, well, earlier we heard a lot of discussion on whether or not, you know, a particular study had any teeth in it, whether we required anything, whether, whether or not we could force the respective agency to do anything. I'm very interested in this coalition building concept but I want to know, does your Bill have anything that's going to reach out and grab the Department of Public Health and force that agency. I mean, grab a hold of them like they haven't been grabbed a hold of in years and force them to do something on this building of coalition. I don't want them to slip away here." 246  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day

March 21, 1995 "Excuse me for interrupting, Representative Black. Representative Flowers."

"Representative Black, I can assure you that this legislation have teeth and tongue because the Department of Public Health is already doing this, so I know it's being done."

"Representative Black."

"Well, now, now you've confused me. If their already doing this, why do we want them to do it again?"

"Representative Flowers."

"We are codifying legislation to place it into the statute which the department is already doing."

"Representative Black for 10 seconds."

"I, I would hope somebody in the appropriate time might yield their time. I have several questions here."

"Representative, no, Representative, the next person to be recognized is Representative Klingler and she is next. If there's someone thereafter who would take pity on you, we'll see if you have any friends at that time. Your time has expired, Representative Black. Representative Klingler."

"Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise in support of the Bill by Representative Flowers and I thank her for bringing to the attention of this Body the issues on minority health. I think certainly there are issues that are specific to many different groups of people and I think that the proposals that you have regarding utilization of quality care, environmental factors, financing of health care are very good and I would be glad to assist you in any way in this Bill."

"Any further discussion? A Representative from Dupage, Biggins. Representative Biggins." 247  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day

"Thank you, yield?" March 21, 1995 thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor

"The Sponsor indicates that she will yield for questions."

"Representative, I understand this Bill has something to do with minorities."

"Representative Flowers."

"The Bill specifically deals with minority. It doesn't have something to do with it. The whole entire Bill is strictly about minorities."

"Representative Biggins."

"Could you please, for the record, define the term minority?"

"Representative Flowers."

"I, as a female, you can look at me. That's definition, enough, as far as what's in the Bill."

"Representative Biggins."

"Representative, it's my understanding there are more women in this country and in this state than there are males so how could by the fact that you're a female be putting you in the class of a minority?"

"Representative Flowers."

"Representative Biggins, I think that's a another subject matter. I'll be more that happy to discuss that with you later."

"Representative Biggins."

"Seeing as we're neighbors, that shouldn't be very difficult that we could possibly make the, that opportunity to talk together, but if someone is filling out a form and, to classify themselves as a minority, I suppose two of the minorities could be African-American and Hispanic. Is that correct?" 248  35th Legislative Day

"Representative Flowers." STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE March 21, 1995

"I suppose."

"Representative Biggins."

"I suppose Caucasian and Hispanic would be identified, one of them as a minority, one is not. Is that correct?"

"Representative Flowers."

"It depends on what kind of Caucasian you're referencing."

"Representative Biggins."

"Well, maybe you can help me with this. My brother, who looks a lot like me, married a Hispanic woman a few years ago. They have two children. Now, when they are filling out forms for admission to various categories, what category would you recommend my nephews classify themselves?"

"Representative Flowers."

"Representative Biggins, I think that's a personal question in which you and your family should discuss among yourselves."

"Representative Biggins."

"Thank you very much, for that suggestion. I'll relay that to them. No further questions. Thank you"

"Thank you. The Chair recognizes a Gentleman from Cook, Representative Balthis."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I just wanted to show that I was a friend of Bill Black and yield my time to Representative Black."

"Which is probably a good thing since there are no other lights on. The Chair recognizes the wish of Representative Balthis to yield his time to Representative Black. Representative Black."

"I thank the distinguished Gentleman, a fine outstanding 249  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day March 21, 1995 Representative he is, and most probably will go down in history as one of the finest mayors ever to serve in the State of Illinois, a Gentleman, true Gentleman. Thank you so much, Representative. Will the Representative yield for additional questions?"

"Representative Flowers indicates that she will yield. Representative Flowers."

"Yes, I think we got to the point where we did have some teeth in this which I'm concerned about but I'm also, there's 25 people on this advisory panel. Is that correct?"

"Representative Flowers."

"Yes."

"Representative Black."

"Yes, and all 25 are to be appointed by the director of Public Health?"

"Representative Flowers."

"Yes."

"Representative Black."

"Do you have full faith and confidence in the director of the Department of Public Health to the degree that you're going to let him, it's a he right now, you're going to let the director of Public Health appoint all 25 members?"

"Representative Flowers."

"He's doing an excellent job as we speak, yes."

"Representative Black."

"I hold the good doctor, Lumpkin in the highest regard. I love working with him. I would just think that at least one of those members should be appointed by the House Democrat Leader to make certain that your viewpoints are, are well represented on this committee. But you don't want to do that?" 250  35th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE March 21, 1995

"Representative Flowers."

"Representative Black, I don't think that's constitutional."

"Representative Black."

"Well, that's, that's never bothered us before but anyway, let me continue. Do these members, these 25 members, do they get paid?"

"Representative Flowers."

"No."

"Representative Black."

"Are they reimbursed for mileage, to and from meetings, or anything of that sort?"

"Representative Flowers."

"I can't answer that for sure but I would assume that, that would be up to the director's discretion or the Governor's."

"Representative Black."

"Are they going to...will they be paid out of GRF or out of public health funds or is there a difference?"

"Representative Flowers."

"First of all, Representative Black, they're not being paid at all, so."

"Representative Black."

"That, that's correct. I do apologize. You said they would not be paid but we're not sure whether or not they get expenses and/or mileage for meetings."

"Representative Flowers."

"No, Representative Black, that will be up to the Governor. Between the Governor and the director, they'll work that out."

"Representative Black."

"Well, thank you very much. You've been very patient as 251  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day you always are, Representative, for March 21, 1995 answering these extremely important questions and I favor your Bill. I intend to vote for your Bill. I think there's some things in here that could be straightened out. I think it could be a little tougher. I think it could be more to the point. I think it could be this. I think it could be that, but the bottom line is, what I've done is to burn up 10 minutes of the time of the Members of this Body, which is a relatively short period. Every Bill that's moved tonight, with one exception, has taken 45 minutes and generally gets anywhere from 85 to 114 votes. I, I intend to vote for your Bill and this exercise in futility is not aimed at you. It's aimed at all of us in the chamber. There are Bills we need to debate for 45 minutes and there are Bills we don't need to debate at all. This is one of the Bills we didn't need to debate at all. It's a good Sponsor. It's a good Bill. It'll probably roll out of here with a 114 votes and when we get to other Bills sponsored by our side of the aisle, I would hope that we would all just sit back, chill out a little bit. Some of these Bills need debate and a lot of it. Some of them don't need any of the nonsense we've had to go through on a long day. It's a good Bill, a good Sponsor. I intend to vote 'aye'."

"Representative Flowers to close. Representative Flowers."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I would ask for a favorable vote, vote on House Bill 309."

"The question is, 'Shall House Bill 309 pass?' All those in favor, vote 'aye'; all those opposed, vote 'nay'. The voting is open. This is final action. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all 252  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day voted who wish? March 21, 1995 Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 113 'ayes', 0 'nays', and none not voting. This Bill having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Clerk, please read House Bill 370."

"House Bill 370, a Bill for an Act that amends the Illinois Act on Aging. Third Reading of this House Bill."

"The Chair recognizes Representative Lawfer."

"Thank you, Mr. Chairman, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 370 amends and repeals various Acts on the Act of Aging and the Elder Abuse Demonstration Project Act. These have been found to be obsolete by the Office of the Auditor General in his February 1995 report of a special study of administrative laws considered to be obsolete, unenforceable, unnecessarily burdensome, duplicative, or having no administrative benefit. This study was authored and sponsored by the Legislative Audit Commission on three, March 1994. I think that these recommendations for eliminating six particular parts that deal with the Act on Aging and eliminates those. I f there's any questions, I would be glad to go into those."

"The Chair recognizes the Lady from Cook, Representative Schakowsky."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"The Gentleman indicates that he will yield for questions, Representative Schakowsky."

"Thank you. You're saying then, that all this legislation does is delete some duties from the Department on Aging that the audit commission says was unnecessary. I wonder if you just, I'm looking at the legislation here. I'm wondering if you could just give us some examples of 253  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE March 21, 1995 35th Legislative Day that?"

"Representative Lawfer."

"Yes, Representative, I would be glad to. There are six parts that is deals with. It eliminates language dealing with coordinating and evaluating all programs for the aging and for minority senior citizens. This was a one time effort when the Department of Aging was created in 1973. It also eliminates language which refers to a training program report which was required and was submitted to the General Assembly in December of 1986. It also eliminates language that at one time was specific to funding for multi-purpose senior centers. These ages, these centers, the area agencies now obtain funds from title three federal funds. It also eliminates language dealing with a statewide conference on Alzheimer's Disease, held by the Department of Aging in 1986 and of course that conference has long been conducted. It repeals language requiring the Department on Aging to conduct a study on board and health, home health care and report to the General Assembly by April 1 of 1992 and, of course, that has been completed. And it also repeals the Elder Abuse and Demonstration Project Act. That Project was terminated in 1987 and the required report was submitted. Of course, this, repealing this particular Act in no way affects the Elder Abuse and Neglect Act."

"Representative Schakowsky."

"Representative, is this Bill intended to do simply that or is this yet another shell Bill going over to the Senate that you have something else in mind or perhaps, the Majority Party has thought about doing something else with? Or is this just simply what it appears to be, a clean up Bill?" 254  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day

"Representative Lawfer."

March 21, 1995 "Representative, I've stated this and I've taken the Act and put into the wording of this Act from the report of the Auditor General of the State of Illinois. I think that by passing this, we can do away with about four or five pages in the statute books and I think that what the report was intended to do. I think that a favorable vote on this will do that and I would urge that we continue with that. That is the intent of my Bill."

"Representative Schakowsky."

"Well, maybe you answered it then in your last sentence. That is the only intent that, I know what the Bill does. You very adequately went over all the pieces, but is that your only intent, Representative, then for this legislation?"

"Representative Lawfer."

"That is my intent."

"Representative Schakowsky."

"To the Bill, then, Mr. Speaker."

"Representative Schakowsky, to the Bill."

"Well, it seem to me that we have a Republican Bill that finally does what many of you have been talking about, which actually does reduce some of the language in the statues rather than creating yet, another layer of bureaucracy and if this is all this Bill is intended to do, I would certainly support it."

"The Chair recognizes the Lady from Cook, Representative Flowers. Representative Flowers. Do you wish to address the Bill? Representative Flowers."

"No, I wanted to yield my time to Representative Lang, if he needed it."

"I'm sorry, I didn't hear you." 255  35th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE March 21, 1995

"I wanted to yield my time to Representative Lang, if it was needed."

"Did you say Representative Lang, or Representative Lane?"

"Representative Lou Lang. I wanted to yield my time to him."

"You wish to yield your time to Representative Lou Lang? The Gentleman from Cook? The Chair will acknowledge that request and will allow Representative Lou Lang to have the time of Representative Mary Flowers, the Lady from Cook, who is SO gracious as to offer her time to Representative Lou Lang."

"Thank you, that's me, Sir, but would you give me five minutes, please?"

"You had five minutes when it started, Sir. It's your time, now."

"Well, no I had five minutes before you started to explain who I was but that's all right. Will the Sponsor yield because I'll take my five minutes after Representative Flowers' five minutes."

"I'm sorry, Sir, you're light's not on. I have another person after you, another Democrat, of course. I'm sorry, what did you wish, Sir?"

"Will the Sponsor yield?"

"Representative Lawfer, will you yield to questions from Representative Lang? Representative Lawfer."

"Yes, I would be glad to."

"Representative Lang, Representative Lawfer indicates that he would be glad to yield to you for questions, Sir. Representative Lang."

"Is it my turn, now? Thank you very much. I appreciate 256  35th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE March 21, 1995 that very much. Representative."

"Representative, we were glad to provide you with this opportunity."

"Watch out, or I'll yield to Murphy. We'll be here all day so, watch out."

"I'm sorry Representative Lang, but that's not possible under our rules."

"Thank you. Representative Lawfer, we're back to you, now. I understand you to say that you are not intending this for any thing else. Is that correct?"

"Representative Lawfer."

"I believe I've mentioned that at least two occasions, yes."

"Representative Lang."

"Does that mean that if this comes back from the Senate with anything else on it, you will reject that, Sir?"

"Representative Lawfer."

"I cannot predict the future."

"Representative Lang."

"Well, I wasn't asking you to predict the future, Carnac. I was just simply asking if, if since this is not intended to be a vehicle Bill, if you're intended, if you will reject anything that comes over from the Senate?"

"Representative Lang, we would ask, Sir, if you would refrain from characterizing other Members of the Body, Sir. Representative Lawfer, to respond to the question."

"I would hope that this Bill would continue on through the Senate and I hope that they would consider it as is, however, if I, in effort to move this forward, I guess I would have to consider what the language and what the debate would happen in the Senate. And I look forward to 257  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day that."

"Representative Lang." March 21, 1995

"Will you commit to us, Sir, that you will ask the Senate's Sponsor if this Bill gets out not to allow the Bill to be amended?"

"Representative Lawfer."

"That is my intention."

"Representative Lang."

"The question was not your intention. The question is will you commit to us, here and now, at ten after ten on Tuesday night that you will ask the Sponsor in the Senate not to amend the Bill?"

"Representative Lawfer."

"That's my intention."

"Representative Lang. Ladies and Gentlemen. Please give the speakers your attention. Representative Lang."

"So, Sir, you are not prepared to give us your commitment, today?"

"Representative Lawfer."

"I will have to ask my Senate Sponsor on what commitments he can give me."

"Representative Lang."

"Well, who will your Senate Sponsor will, Sir?"

"Representative Lawfer."

"I need, before I select a Senate Sponsor, I need to get a favorable vote here."

"Representative Lang."

"So, you don't know who your Senate Sponsor is. You're willing to maybe suggest to that person, whoever he or she may be, that you would not like this Bill amended but you won't commit to us that you will at least ask them not to 258  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day amend the Bill?" March 21, 1995

"Representative, Representative Lawfer."

"That's correct."

"Representative Lang."

"To the Bill, Mr. Speaker."

"Representative Lang, on the Bill."

"We, we continue to have Members on the Republican side of the aisle who don't know what their Bills do and will make commitments to us as to what they'll look like when they come back from the Senate. That again is disingenuous. That again doesn't speak well for what we're doing here."

"Please, bring your remarks to a close."

"It was a simple request and Representative Lawfer could not even make a commitment to me that he would ask the Senate's Sponsor not to amend the Bill. That was a simple question. He could have said, no if he meant no. He should have said yes, if he meant yes but the answer we got leaves us wanting more."

"The Chair recognizes a Gentleman from Vermilion, Representative Black."

"Thank you, thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. This has reached the point of asininity and I'm going to do something that I've not done in the nine years here. One person on that side of the aisle stands up and says 'hallelujah, it's finally a good Bill'. The Auditor General held a position of some authority under an esteemed President of the Senate, Phill Rock. He's an Auditor General that most of us know and I think all of us trust. We're trying to clean up what he says what we need to clean up, long overdue and then we have to go through this bit of ridiculousness. I move the previous question."

"Representative Black has moved the previous 259  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day March 21, 1995 question. The vote shall be, 'Shall the previous question be put?' All those who wish to move the previous question, shall vote 'aye'; all those who oppose, shall vote 'nay'. Voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk, shall take the roll. On this Motion, the vote is 68 'yes, 41 'no'. The Motion passes. The Motion shall be put. Representative Lawfer to close."

"Thank you, Mr. Chairman, Ladies and Gentlemen of the General Assembly. I ask for a favorable vote on House Bill 370."

"The question is, 'Shall House Bill 370 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye'; all those opposed vote 'nay'. The voting is open. This is final action. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish. The Clerk, shall take the record. On this question there are 113 'ayes', no 'nays', and none voting 'present'. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. The Chair recognizes the Lady from Cook. For what purpose does the Lady rise? I'm sorry Representative Schakowsky."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker to make a point of order. It's a moot point now, but I did want to say in all due respect to Representative Black. One can not speak to a Bill and then move the previous question. That is not..."

"Thank you, the Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Effingham, Representative Hartke. For what purpose do you rise."

"Well, Mr. Speaker. I too wanted to make that point of order that the rules here say that when you move the previous question you shouldn't be voicing an opinion on the Bill. I have no objection to him moving the previous 260  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day question, March 21, 1995 but he voiced an opinion on the Bill so he was out of order."

"Representative Black you should not have done what you did. The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Lang."

"Thank you..."

"For what purpose do you rise?'

"I rise on a point of order Mr. Speaker."

"State your point."

"Thank you. Not only did Mr. Black do this, but Mr. Ackerman about 7 times has voiced an opinion on a Bill and then proceeded to move the previous question and the point..."

"Please...would you please. This is the side that's supposed to be quiet now. Please. This side Representative Lang continue with your point."

"Thank you. Clearly everyone of those is moot now, but I would ask the Chair and whoever is sitting in the Chair in the future as we conduct our business in this Body to remember that we have rules. Your side of the aisle is perfectly free as we are to make Motions for the previous question at anytime. It's in order, they can be made and if you want to abuse the system by cutting off debate you go right ahead and do that, but let's at least follow the rules. Let's at least not make comments as to the substance of the Bill as we're making that Motion that's all we ask, Sir."

"Representative your point is taken. Chair recognizes the Representative from Tazwell, Representative Ackerman."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Representative Lang is completely wrong I never made any remarks towards the 261  35th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE March 21, 1995 merits of the Bill. I only stated that the Bill received enough discussion or debate. Thank you."

"Thank you, Representative Ackerman. Mr. Clerk, please read House Bill 413."

"House Bill 413, a Bill for an Act amending the

Illinois Pension Code. Third Reading of this House Bill. Speaker Ryder: "Chair recognizes the Sponsor of the Bill, Representative Hassert on the Bill. Representative."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. House Bill 413 amends the Illinois Municipal Retirement Fund Article of the Pension Code. Exempt School Districts from the requirements of appropriating amounts sufficient to provide for their contribution to the IMRF. House Bill 413 is intended merely to clarify the authority of the Illinois School Districts to levy taxes necessary to finance the state mandated contribution to the pensions of their IMRF employees. As written the pension code does not adequately account for the fact that school districts unlike many other taxing bodies do not adopt appropriations. Clearly the pension code was not meant to force school districts to adopt appropriations contrary to the provisions of the school code. I ask for your support in order to adopt this clarifying legislation. I would be happy to answer any questions."

"The Gentleman from Rock Island, Representative Brunsvold. Speaker Daniels in the Chair."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Gentleman yield?"

"He indicates he will."

"Representative would you go through the situation now dealing with the local funding of the IMRF compared to what's going to be when this Bill passes and if it passes."

"Representative Hassert." 262  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day

"Who's paying the..."

"Representative Hassert." March 21, 1995

"Representative Brunsvold right now school districts have in the past, have adopted budgets for their IMRF and they have levied for it. This Bill just basically clarifies that because within the Pension Code they...municipalities inclusive of school districts are suppose to appropriate. This Bill, being that school districts do no appropriate or do not have the capabilities of proprating...appropriating ordinances, all this does is allow them to collect their levies for their IMRF in their budgeting process."

"Representative Brunsvold."

"So you don't appropriate now from their present funds from the state and or local taxes. So, then who is going to pick up the difference if they don't appropriate now the money has got to come from some place for the IMRF, pension support...are they going to raise local taxes to do this?"

"Representative Hassert."

"No, I mean this is just clarifying their existing practices. They already levy for their IMRF moneys right now. They are just going to clarity this. There's a tax objections by the just the term appropriating because school districts do not appropriate, they budget. And they pass budgets they do not have the capability under state...under the School Code to appropriate. All this does is clarify the language take the appropriation language out of there allows them to continue their current practices to levy for their IMRF moneys."

"Representative Brunsvold."

"So, right now all the school districts are levying the IMRF portion in their tax levies and appropriating 263  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day March 21, 1995 them, I don't understand where...what the difference is here. I'm a little confused on what you're trying to clarify."

"Representative Hassert."

"Basically, just let me repeat it once more, the school districts under existing code do not have the capabilities of having appropriation ordinance unlike municipalities do. They have an appropriation capabilities, municipalities have appropriation capabilities school districts do not have that capabilities they go through a budgetary process they adopt their budget which the levy drives their budget. They do not in any which way or form appropriate they do not have that power to appropriate. Some existing tax attorneys found this as a possibly a misunderstanding in the pension code and they challenged the school districts levies."

"Representative Brunsvold."

"So, Representative you're telling me that right now the local school district don't have the right to levy the taxes for the IMRF pension funding. Is that what you are saying right now?"

"Representative Hassert."

"No, that's not what I am saying. Basically school districts do not have the right to appropriate they budget. They don't have the ordinance capabilities they do not pass ordinances."

"Representative Brunsvold."

"They levy the money for the IMRF is what you're saying and they don't have the right to appropriate that money to spend on the IMRF pension?"

"Representative Hassert."

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"Representative Brunsvold."

"But they're doing it anyway?"

"Representative Hassert."

"Yes."

"Representative Brunsvold."

"So, this is just clarifying...this is going to give them the right to appropriate the money that they're collecting."

"Representative Hassert."

"This is just clarifying they're existing practices, yes."

"Representative Brunsvold."

"Well, you know, I thank you for your answers Representative I'm still a little confused on this and I would like to hear some debate from our side of the aisle to see if we can clarify this. Is there...I assume there..is there a law suit involved here? Representative Hassert is there a lawsuit we're trying to correct?"

"Excuse me, Ladies and Gentleman of the House. Ladies and Gentleman of the House. Representative Hassert."

"Right now there is some tax objections filed against different school districts throughout the state and this is just meant to clarify a current practice that they have been doing. The important issue here is that basically if this Bill is not passed and tax objectors are upheld and they will have to find moneys from other parts of their budgets such as taken out of the educational fund or life safety fund and this is a practice that could basically hurt all school districts throughout the state. So, this part of the Bill municipality other than a school district in the Bill it says a municipality other than a school 265  35th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE March 21, 1995 district may levy a tax which shall not exceed the amount appropriated for the municipalities contribution."

"Representative Brunsvold, you have fifty seconds."

"So, were answering the tax objections, is the thrust of this Bill. If we don't do this then what is going to happen?'

"Representative Hassert."

"There's a possibilities that if we don't do this school districts could lose out of other parts of their budget moneys from educational funding to pay for their IMRF employee because we mandate this by the state for their contributions."

"Representative Brunsvold."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker that's all the questions I have."

"Gentleman from Shelby, Representative Skinner."

"Where's Shelby?"

"Where you're from."

"I wonder if the Sponsor will yield to a question? Would the Sponsor answer a question or two?"

"He indicates he will."

"Representative, could you please tell the Body that this has nothing to do with the tax cap. And it won't change it in anyway."

"Representative Hassert."

"Representative Skinner, you're absolutely correct this has no effect on the tax cap, this is like I said before is just clarifying existing practice of the school districts."

"Representative Skinner, from McHenry."

"In that case I rise in support of the Bill. This is obviously a case where tax protest lawyers have found a 266  STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 35th Legislative Day March 21, 1995 loophole which the Legislator who passed this statute didn't figure out and this is trying to cure that loophole. Trying to eliminate it. Now, I do admit that lawyers will end up getting less fees if we pass this Bill, but that's not all bad."

"Gentleman from Clinton, Representative Granberg."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Gentleman yield?"

"He indicates he will for five minutes."

"Thank you. Representative Hassert, I too am a little confused on this. I am looking at the Bill itself and on line...on the first page, Representative, on line 30, it says a school district may levy a tax. May levy a tax. Now, it's my understanding that this is an appropriation, this is merely a technical matter, but that language would certainly cause me some concern. This would be a new tax that could be levied by the school district?"

"Representative Hassert."

"No."

"Representative Granberg."

"So, do they levy this tax currently?"

"Representative Hassert."

"Yes."

"Representative Granberg."

"Then why is the language in the Bill to allow them to levy this tax?"

"Representative Hassert."

"Just clarifying that they may...clarifying their existing practice that they have been doing. That they have been levying for their IMRF contributions and it states that in the Bill."

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March 21, 1995 "But, Representative earlier I thought you had said that if this is not enacted then those school districts will have to take funds from their general operating budgets for their IMRF contribution. So this is, in fact, a revenue increase if you will because otherwise they would have to reduce their current budgets or utilize those funds from other line items to pay for their IMRF contribution."