Illinois House Floor Debate — March 18, 2003

“The House shall come to order. Members shall be in their chairs. We shall be led in prayer today by Pastor Peter Williams of the St. Paul Baptist Church in Freeport. Pastor Williams is the guest of Representative Jim Sacia. The guests in the gallery may wish to rise and join us for the invocation and the Pledge of Allegiance.”

“We shall be led in the Pledge of Allegiance by Representative Washington.” 09300030.doc 2  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 30th Legislative Day 3/18/2003 Washington – et al: “I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.”

“Roll Call for Attendance. Representative Currie.”

“Thank you, Speaker. Please let the record show that Representative May is excused today.”

“Mr. Bost.”

“The Clerk shall take the record. There being 113 Members responding to the Attendance Roll Call, there is a quorum present. Mr. Clerk.”

“Representative Lyons. Joe Lyons.” Lyons, J.: “Thank you, Speaker. For a just a short announcement.”

“State… state your point.” Lyons, J.: “There is… there is Irish soda bread here, as it’s been the tradition the last three, four years. The girl I married, Karen Celeste Bridget Mahoney, did bake some Irish 09300030.doc 3  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 30th Legislative Day 3/18/2003 soda bread. So, enjoy yourself, a day after St. Patrick’s Day. Thanks, Speaker.”

“Is Mr. Acevedo in the chamber? Mr. Acevedo. Representative Bailey. Representative Bailey. Berrios, you are the Sponsor of House Bill 3552, on the Order of Second Reading. Do you wish to move that to Third? 3552. Mr. Clerk, what is the status of House Bill 3552?”

“Third Reading. Mr. Boland, did you wish to move House Bill 102? Mr. Clerk, what is the status of House Bill 102?”

“Mr. Boland, do you wish to call the Bill on Third Reading? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Mr. Boland.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. House Bill 102, the ban on forced labor goods, is a Bill that we passed out of committee unanimously. We passed it out of the House three times before. What it would do is require that all contracts entered into by a state agency for the procurement of equipment, materials or supplies would have to specify that no goods, no foreign made goods within the 09300030.doc 4  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 30th Legislative Day 3/18/2003 contract, have been produced in whole or in part by forced labor, convict labor or indentured labor, under penal sanction. This is a Bill that strikes both a moral core and also helps our Illinois businesses and our Illinois labor by requiring that any contractor who is going to sell goods to the State of Illinois would have to sign a statement that they did not knowingly, and this is the key word, that they did not knowingly get these materials or purchase these materials from those dictatorships that put political and religious prisoners in work camps, make them work for nothing and then ship their goods to the United States to undercut our legitimate business and labor here in the United States of America and here in… in the State of Illinois.”

“Mr. Parke.”

“Yes. This Bill is on Third Reading. It was on Third Reading when it was called.”

“We are now proceeding alphabetically among the Democrats, asking Members which Bill they wish to call first.”

“Well, we go to the Member and we ask for a Bill number. Now, in the case of Mr. Boland, his Bill was on Third Reading.”

“In the case of the first one, the Bill was on Second Reading. So, I was only able to move it from Second to Third.”

“Yes. Mr. Lang.”

“Thank you. Will the Sponsor yield for a quick question?”

“Sponsor yields.”

“Thank you. Representative, I just wanna make sure I read the Bill right. This is only for foreign made goods, so it would not have any impact on the prison system of Illinois. Is that correct?”

“Right. It is only foreign made goods.”

“Thank you.”

“Mr. Black.”

“State your inquiry.”

“Mr. Black, we’re always happy to ring your bell.”

“I believe the answer to that question would be ‘yes’.”

“Sponsor yields.”

“No. This has nothing to do with convict labor as far as the State of Illinois or anywhere in the United States. This is only foreign-made goods and… Representative, it’s aimed at those dictatorships like China that have imprisoned people, many of the students from the Tiananmen Square demonstrations, people who have handed out Bibles 09300030.doc 7  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 30th Legislative Day 3/18/2003 and been arrested and put in these camps, forced to work for nothing and then their goods are shipped out. And we wanna make sure that the State of Illinois does not knowingly, and that’s a key word because any of us, ya know, we go to Kmart or Wal-Mart, we buy something, it says made in China or made in Afghanistan or wherever, we don’t know but those… this is aimed at a type of scoundrel who might go and seek out these goods knowing that he can undercut the price that is put forth by business… normal business in Illinois and our workers here in Illinois.”

“Well, that… I wouldn’t necessarily agree with your first statement, I… personally. But this Bill is only aimed at… at that.”

“Let me… I’m still a little sleepy yet, Representative. Let me look it up here in the Bill. The… the state agency involved could… could void this, it’s… it’s their option. They could void the contract.”

“No. No. Any investigation has to be carried out by some outside group that would have to bring this forth and then there would be a hearing on it. In other words, there are some groups, some human rights groups, particularly again using China as the example, that have looked at and tracked goods made by these particular work camps. This is, incidentally, this is based on a… on legislation that’s been enacted for several years now by Massachusetts and California.”

“So, it’s not… not my idea, wish I could claim it was.”

“Well, what I’m saying is that it is not the agency’s job to do this. This is… if someone brings a complaint, they would have to show what… that there is proof that this was done.”

“Well, if, for example, the state AFL-CIO or some shoemaker’s union…”

“…they would come forth and bring forth a complaint.”

“But they would have to show proof that that is so.”

“Right.”

“Representative Hartke in the Chair. Further discussion? Chair recognizes Representative Franks.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?”

“Sponsor indicates he will yield.”

“Mike, I’m just reading our analysis and I see Illinois Manufacturers’ Association has no position on this. Have you… have you talked to them about this Bill?”

“I did not this time. There was… I’m trying to recall the last time, not this time, that we brought this Bill before us. But I took language that, especially the key phrase ‘knowingly’, from business groups that had asked that that be placed in it.” 09300030.doc 10  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 30th Legislative Day 3/18/2003

“Yeah, I read that and I thought that was a good change. Can you tell me why the Illinois Chamber of Commerce is an opponent while the IMA is neutral?”

“Well, I don’t know and that’s interesting because it was the Illinois Chamber that, in the last term when I brought this Bill, in the Labor Committee they actually were neutral and had asked that this language be put in. I put it in at their request. I think it was good and it strengthened the Bill.”

“No good deed goes unpunished. Thank you, Representative. I think it’s a good Bill and I’ll be supporting it.”

“Thank you.”

Speaker Hartke: “Further discussion? Chair recognizes Representative Mulligan, the Lady from Cook.”

“Sponsor will yield.”

“Let me look and see here. The fed… I don’t have the Federal Act before me. I can read you this. The Federal Tariff Act of 1930 prohibits the importation of any goods produced in whole or part by forced convict or indentured labor, but it does not require importers to certify that such labor was not used. So, I think, actually, our legislation is… is better than the Federal Law.” 09300030.doc 11  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 30th Legislative Day 3/18/2003

“I believe so, but I’m not… I’m not absolutely sure on that. I’m reading the Bill. I can’t say on that, Representative.”

“You know, Representative, you’re absolutely right as far as the agency and the contractor, what you had said. And I would be more than happy in the Senate, if they would amend that to put in what you’re talking about. That’s a good suggestion.”

“I believe you’re right. And as I said, I’d be more than happy to have the Senate amend that and add that into the Bill. I think it would strengthen it.”

Speaker Hartke: “Further discussion? Chair recognizes Representative Morrow.”

“Yes. Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Will the Gentleman yield?”

“The Gentleman will yield.”

“Representative Boland…”

“Yes.”

“…does this Bill also include convict labor within this state?”

“Shhh.”

“No, it doesn’t. It’s only aimed at foreign made goods.”

“Why… why didn’t it include convict labor or con… inmates being used as forced labor within the State of Illinois?”

“Well, I have no problem with that. This Bill actually is modeled after laws that were passed in other states that was specifically aimed at political and religious prisoners in places like China where they’re… they may be arrested for advocating democracy, as many of the students at Tiananmen Square were. They may be religious people that are passing out Bibles and are arrested. And I cannot remember the other group, there’s a philosophical group. I know Representative…” 09300030.doc 13  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 30th Legislative Day 3/18/2003

“Well…”

“Well, anyway, we’ll… that’s another thing. But it’s aimed at that specific problem. I have no problem with what you’re talking about. If you would like to sponsor a Bill like that, I’d be more than happy to cosponsor it. Or if you want me to do it, I’ll be more than happy to do it.”

“Well, I understand that your concern about political prisoners overseas, but we got political prisoners right here in this State of Illinois. I have one… one… one other question to ask. What goods are being purchased… or what goods are being purchased by the state that… that are… that are made by forced labor overseas?”

“Well, we don’t know, and that’s one of the things that this is aimed at. This is more preventive medicine than it is to try to catch somebody. But there are groups that have actual whole books of pictures of the goods and so forth that is being shipped over to the United States. And I don’t know personally, ya know, what ones are or are not being bought here, but we wanna prevent that from happening.”

“Well, now… now… now you’ve raised another question in my head because if you don’t know what goods are being purchased by the state, that are made by forced labor overseas, what’s the purpose and intent of having this Bill? I… I… I would be more concerned about forced labor by the inmates of… of this state being forced to manufacture certain goods that are used by us.”

“Well…” 09300030.doc 14  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 30th Legislative Day 3/18/2003

“So, I… I… I… I… I know this Bill has been around. I really wish you would hold this Bill so we can amend it to include forced labor within the State of Illinois.”

“Well, Representative, I appreciate your concern and as I said, I’d be more than happy to sponsor that in the future or to cosponsor it with you or anyone else. That is an issue that needs to be addressed. I’m more than happy to do that. I would like to get this Bill over in the Senate. If somebody in the Senate would like to add that on, then I’d be more than happy to talk about it.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I don’t have any further questions. Thank you.”

“Further discussion? Representative Boland to close.”

“Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker and Members. This is an excellent Bill that gives us a chance at preventive measure. It… it also lets us strike a… a moral tone or a moral message that the State of Illinois is not interested in purchasing goods that are made by forced labor, political and religious prisoners, in various dictatorships around the world. It also, I believe, sets a good tone for our Illinois business and labor in that they can know that they will not be undercut by some rascal who decides to go over to some country, get goods and undercut the bidding process of businesses in Illinois that pay legitimate wages here. Thank you very much. I’d appreciate a… an ‘aye’ vote.” 09300030.doc 15  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 30th Legislative Day 3/18/2003

“The question is, ‘Shall the House pass House Bill 102?’ All those in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; those opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there were 111 Members voting ‘yes’, 4 Members voting ‘no’, and 1 Member voting ‘present’. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On page 20 on the Calendar, on Second Reading appears House Bill 2453. Representative Bradley. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. On page 31 on the Calendar, on Second Reading appears House Bill 2860. Representative Bailey. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. On page 15 on the Calendar, on Second Reading appears House Bill 2146. Representative Brosnahan. Out of the record. On page 3 on the Calendar, on Second Reading appears House Bill 132. Representative Capparelli. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.” 09300030.doc 16  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 30th Legislative Day 3/18/2003

“Third Reading. On page 19 on the Calendar, on Second Reading appears House Bill 2441. Representative Chapa LaVia. Representative Chapa LaVia. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. On page 31 on the Calendar, on Second Reading appears House Bill 2553. Representative Collins. Representative Collins. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“2853? Yes, 2853. Pardon me, Mr. Clerk.”

“Third Reading. Representative Black, for what reason do you seek recognition?”

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“That’s correct.”

“Yes.”

“This is the Democrat alphabetical order. As soon as we compile your list, we will be proceeding with Republican Bills.”

“Speaker Madigan in… Speaker Madigan in the Chair. Mr. Black, this is the list from the Republicans, which I received about… ago. I’ve been attempting to read it. I’ve been interrupted twice. But as soon as I finish speaking to you, I’ll attempt to go back and read through this again.”

“The office of a Gentleman named Tom Cross.”

“Right… right through this door.”

“The answer is ‘yes’.”

“It’s in conjunction with a discussion that I had with Mr. Cross in terms of providing for management of the flow of Bills on the floor. I might add, that given the sponsorship of Bills among Democrats and Republicans, this system will get more Republican Bills called than without it. I think that’s a significant point that ought to be made.”

“Mr. Black, those statistics make my point. And I think it’s very understandable that, given Democratic control of both chambers and the Governor’s Office, that you’ll find proponents of Bills gravitating to Democrats rather than Republicans. So, the numbers that you just cited are to be expected. I would reiterate my point. The proposed system, which will provide that we will proceed alphabetically, Democrat and Republican, will get more Republican Bills called than not using it. And again, I just got this list about 20 minutes ago.”

“Mr. Black, I wish to take exception to what you just said. And I clearly did not intend to say something, take it or leave it. And… and I listened to you, I’m surprised why you’re not listening to me. Mr. Hartke in the Chair.”

“Proceeding on page 43 on the Calendar, on Second Reading appears House Bill 3532. Representative Colvin. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. On page 49 on the Calendar, on Third Reading appears House Bill 2235. Representative Currie. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

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“Thank you, Speaker and Members of the House. Current law requires that eight percent of the Early Childhood Block Grant funds go to really early programs, zero to three programs, preprimary programs. The current practice is that 11 percent of those funds go to those very important programs that help children avoid becoming at- risk later in their lives. This Bill, House Bill 2235, would codify current practice, which is to say that 11 percent of the total block grant for early childhood education would go to these particularly vulnerable children, zero to three set, so that we might make sure that our young are given the very best shot from the very get-go. I know of no opposition. I would be happy to answer your questions. And I’d appreciate your support for the Bill.”

“Further discussion? The Chair recognizes the Lady from Will, Representative Kosel.”

“Further discussion? The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Parke.”

“Sponsor will yield.” 09300030.doc 21  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 30th Legislative Day 3/18/2003

“The amount that is spent in the block grant is a hundred percent. Current statute says eight percent of that hundred percent, whether it’s a hundred dollars, ninety-nine dollars, or a hundred and forty dollars, eight percent will go to the very early programs. Current practice actually spends eleven percent of that total, whatever it is, on very early childhood programs. This measure codifies the eleven percent. So, it doesn’t tell you anything about the size of the total cost. It could be a hundred bucks, it could be fifty bucks, it could be a hundred and fifty bucks. This just codifies current practice, which says is eleven percent of the total will go to these critical programs for the very youngest children who need our help.”

“This is a…”

“This is a zero-sum gain, you’re quite right. There’s a hundred percent, whatever that dollar amount is, in the early childhood block grant. This codifies current practice, which has been to spend eleven percent on these very early programs. So, as of today, it takes money from nowhere, it only makes secure and makes it clear public policy that we believe that eleven percent of those dollars 09300030.doc 22  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 30th Legislative Day 3/18/2003 ought to go to the very youngest, most vulnerable, of our children who can benefit the most from an early learning boost.”

“And that’s what is current practice.”

“There will…”

“We’ll…”

“We’ll continue current practice, which is that eleven percent goes to the zero to three.”

“Everybody is in favor of this.”

“The whole world is for it, Representative.”

“Further discussion? The Chair recognizes the Lady from Cook, Representative Mulligan.”

“Sponsor will yield.”

“This is a floor, it is a minimum. The state board could spend more than eleven percent on the zero to three programs, this Bill says that they must spend at least eleven percent on those programs.”

“Well, I think the point of this Bill is to say, look, let’s make a clear commitment to these critical programs that affect the kids at the very earliest time who clearly need an extra boost. And this Bill was proposed by Kids Path. It is supported by the State Board of Education, by the various teacher groups in the state, and I know of no opposition. Again, this is a floor.”

“If we’re able to spend more, we will.”

“No. I… I don’t see how it can diminish our support for these programs. In… in the first place, if there is a good deal more money in the Early Childhood Block Grant, again, this is a minimum, it’s a floor. The state board could choose to spend 14, 15, or 20 percent of the funds. If we run into a problem and think we wanna codify a higher percentage, this Bill still has a fair way to go before it gets to the Governor’s desk, it’s got the Senate chamber and there is time to relook at this percentage. But this percentage is based on current practice and I don’t think that you… and I know you do not want to backslide in our efforts to help these young…”

“Exactly. Exactly.”

“Further discussion? The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Will, Representative Meyer.”

“Sponsor will yield. Shhh.”

“I think it’s… for two reasons. First, it protects that commitment. And second, it clarifies our interest in making that commitment to these programs for the very 09300030.doc 25  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 30th Legislative Day 3/18/2003 youngest of our at-risk children. There was a possibility last spring that the state board was considering that would have decreased by three percent the money that was then going to these programs. So, partly it’s a protective mechanism, but partly, also, it’s a way of making sure that our public policy is that we will not backslide on our commitment to these most vulnerable of our children.”

“The current law is eight percent; current practice is eleven percent. We think the eleven percent is the minimum commitment we ought to make, and this Bill says that is our commitment…”

“…we will not go below it, we could still go above it.”

“As I say…”

“As I say, the current law is eight percent. I don’t think we wanna backslide it to eight percent.”

“Downsizing as a percentage of the total Early Childhood Block Grant. I want to protect these programs. I don’t think we want to spend proportionally less on them next year than we did this year or the year before.”

“So, the point of this Bill is to say let’s protect current practice. Let’s make sure that we do announce our commitment, as a state, that these programs are worth at least eleven percent of our total funds for early childhood block grant.”

“That could happen, but there’s no reason… demographers tell me there’s no reason to think it will. And I would have to tell you that we are reaching a very small percentage of the zero to three group compared to the reach we are doing among the four- and five-year-olds. If you think about the… if you think about the total, the hundred percent high, if this Bill becomes law, we will still be spending eighty-nine percent, eighty-nine percent on the pre-K children, only eleven percent on their zero to three cohort.”

“I’m sorry, I didn’t understand that. Could you repeat the question?”

“Yeah. This is my staff: Representative Coulson, Representative Lyons. They’re helping me answer your targeted questions.”

“And they’re signing on for the Bill.”

“This is one black grant, the Early Childhood Block Grant. And it covers items like: kinder… prekindergarten programs, preschool programs for at-risk youngsters, programs for children who are at-risk who are ages zero to three. So, we’re talking only about this piece of the education budget… education spending. And the idea here is to make sure we protect that eleven percent for the youngest, most needy of our children.”

“Well, as I say, there’s no guarantee it will work next year. Last year there was a moment in time when it looked as if the state board might backslide and might go to the lower percentage that is currently set in statute.”

“I wanna protect against that backsliding and I think the people in this chamber ought to be concerned to…”

“Representative, it will be a decision that this chamber makes. And again, what we’re talking about is the floor, the minimum commitment. Today, I think it’s critical that we stand up for the eleven percent share.”

“Further discussion? Since no one is seeking recognition, Representative Currie to close.”

“Thank you, Speaker. I’d appreciate your ‘yes’ votes.”

“The question is, ‘Shall the House pass House Bill 2235?’ All those in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; those opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 116 Members voting ‘yes’, 0 voting ‘no’, and 0 voting ‘present’. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On page 15 on the Calendar, on Second Reading appears House Bill 2146. Representative Brosnahan. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.” 09300030.doc 29  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 30th Legislative Day 3/18/2003

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, what is the status of House Bill 1110?”

“Move that Bill back to the Order of Second Reading for the purpose of an Amendment at the request of the Sponsor. On page 19 of the Calendar, on Second Reading appears House Bill 2379. Representative Davis. Monique Davis. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. On page 40 on the Calendar, on Second Reading appears House Bill 3274. Mr. Davis. Mr. Bill Davis. William Davis. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. On page 20 on the Calendar, on Second Reading appears House Bill 2478. Representative Delgado. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. On page 41 on the Calendar, on Second Reading appears House Bill 3429. Representative Dunkin. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. On page 21 on the Calendar, on Second Reading appears House Bill 2501. Representative Sara Feigenholtz. Out of the record. On page… Representative Parke, for what reason do you seek recognition?”

“State your inquiry.”

Speaker Hartke: “I do believe I moved that Bill to Third Reading.”

“Representative Dunkin, do you have a response? Mr. Parke has a question.”

“Mr. Dunkin, do you have a response to Mr. Parke’s inquiry? Mr. Parke…” 09300030.doc 31  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 30th Legislative Day 3/18/2003

“…would you ask the question again?”

“That is correct, it was Second or Third. We are gonna come to an agreement and we’ve yet to meet… hopefully, we can get it resolved today, tomorrow, sooner than later.”

“Okay. We can move it back to Second.”

“Yes. Mr. Clerk, please place House Bill 3429 on the Order of Second Reading at the request of the Sponsor. On page 35 in the Calendar… on page 2 on the Calendar appears House Bill 3480. Representative Flider. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. On page 32 on the Calendar appears House Bill 2913. Representative Bassi. Representative Bassi. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. On page 12 on the Calendar, on Second Reading appears House Bill 1493. Representative Bellock. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. On page 31 on the Calendar, on Second Reading appears House Bill 2843. Representative Brady. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. On page 34 on the Calendar, on Second Reading appears House Bill 3009. Representative Brauer. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. On page 31 on the Calendar, on Second Reading appears House Bill 2849. Representative Coulson. Representative Beth Coulson. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. Representative Acevedo. Mr. Clerk, what is the status of House Bill 3009?”

“Move that Bill back to Second Reading at the request of the Sponsor for the purpose of an Amendment. Mr. Clerk, what is the status of Senate Bill 19?”

“Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. On page 30 on the Calendar, on Second Reading appears House Bill 2835. Representative Eddy. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. On page 37 on the Calendar, on Second Reading appears House Bill 3093. Representative Hultgren. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. On page 8 on the Calendar, on Second Reading appears House Bill 1116. Representative Kosel. Representative Kosel. Mr… Out of the record. On page 7 on the Calendar, on Second Reading appears House Bill 463. Representative Krause. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

Speaker Hartke: “Third Reading. The Chair recognizes Representative Fritchey. For what reason do you seek recognition?”

“Thank you, Speaker. Inquiry of the Chair”

“State your inquiry.”

“Having a last name that begins with the letter ‘F’ and watching us go from ‘A’ to ‘D’, then back to ‘A’ and now somehow on ‘K’, I’m at a loss of what’s happened to those of us in the middle here.”

“Get a clue. We started on that side of the aisle, we ran to ‘Ds’. We’re now on that side of the aisle, we’re running the ‘Ks’. We will get to you.”

“Well, I…”

“’E’, ‘F’, Fritchey.”

“I would hope that you’d get to us at some point, but I’m just… all kidding aside. We have been told for weeks now, get everything in position, get everything ready to go, then that we’re gonna do this alphabetical order. 09300030.doc 35  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 30th Legislative Day 3/18/2003 Fine. We start doing the alphabetical with the Democrats, I understand that. We try to catch up on the other side, I understand that. But there’s no rhyme or reason to this order and it’s kinda tough for us to plan what we’re doing here.”

“Mr. Fritchey, I’ll let you know when we switch alphabets, okay. Some of us like to keep peace in this chamber, working one side to the other.”

“Thank you, Sir.”

“Right. Under the ‘M’. On page 42 on the Calendar, on Second Reading appears House Bill 3467. Representative McAuliffe. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. On page 30 on the Calendar, on Second Reading appears House Bill 2790. Representative Mitchell. Bill Mitchell. Bill Mitchell. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. On page 10 on the Calendar, on Second Reading appears House Bill 1373. Representative Lyons. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, what is the status of House Bill 1373?”

“Move that Bill back to the Order of Second Reading at the request of Representative Lyons for the purposes of an Amendment. Back on the ‘A’s’ on the Democrat side of the aisle. On page 23, on Second Reading appears House Bill 2579. Representative Acevedo. Representative Acevedo, would you like to move that Bill to Third Reading? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. Rules Report.”

“On page 12 on the Calendar, on Second Reading appears House Bill 1507. Representative Flowers. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill. Take that Bill out of the record. There’s notes pending on the legislation that have not been filed. On page 45 on the Calendar, on Second Reading 09300030.doc 37  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 30th Legislative Day 3/18/2003 appears House Bill 2608. Representative Mulligan. 3608. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. On page… on page 19 of the Calendar, on Second Reading appears House Bill 2412. Mr. Forby. I’m sorry, that’s the wrong Bill. It’s 2413, Mr. Clerk. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. On page 24 on the Calendar, on Second Reading appears House Bill 2634. Representative Munson. Representative Munson. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. On page 11 on the Calendar, on Second Reading appears House Bill 1383. Mr. Fritchey. Under the ‘F’. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Representative Fritchey on Amendment #3.”

“Thank you, Speaker. Amendment 3 simply clarifies some language at the request of some committee Members. I know of no objections to the Amendment and ask for its favorable adoption. Thank you.”

“Is there any discussion? Chair recognizes Representative Parke.”

“Sponsor will yield.”

“I believe this Bill came through the Consumer Protection Committee. Representative, specifically, there was… the Amendment creates… well, it tightens up what was a created exemption for military individuals. The previous language was… referred to individuals as active military service. There was some questions, as you know, from some Members on your side that that might be confusing, so the new language clarifies that by referring to individuals in possession of a valid U.S. military ID card.”

“There will… there will be no change. The Bill, as amended, as I’m sure we’ll discuss more fully, would raise the age of 18 to 19 with the exception of an 18-year-old that’s in military service, and the question was how we were going to define that military service. Active military service raises… raised questions with respect to reservists, et cetera. So, the language that we agreed upon was ‘holders of a valid U.S. military ID card’. The issue was actually adder… raised at one point by Representative Tenhouse. I actually went in and reviewed the language with him and he said that it met his concerns.”

“Thank you.”

“The Chair recognizes Representative Stephens for further discussion, the Gentleman from Fayette.”

“Yes.”

“Fayette.”

“Sponsor will yield.”

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“Further discussion? Since no one is seeking recognition, the question is, ‘Shall the House adopt Floor Amendment #3 to House Bill 1383?’ All those in favor signify by saying ‘aye’; opposed ‘no’. In the opinion of the Chair, the ‘ayes’ have it. And the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?”

“The Bill will remain on Second Reading pending notes being filed. On page 14 on the Calendar, on Second Reading appears House Bill 1640. Representative Osmond. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

Third Reading. On page 18 on the Calendar, on Second Reading appears House Bill 2332. Representative Giles. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. On page 20 on the Calendar, on Second Reading appears House Bill 2477. Representative Pankau. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. On page 22 on the Calendar, on Second Reading appears House Bill 2533. Representative Graham. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. On page 10 of the Calendar, on Second Reading appears House Bill 1318. Representative Parke. Out of the record. On page 32 on the Calendar, on Second Reading appears House Bill 2900. Representative Hamos. Representative Hamos. Out of the record. On page 32 on the Calendar, on Second Reading appears House Bill 2887. Mr. Brunsvold. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. Let’s go back to Hou… On page 32 on the Calendar, on Second Reading appears House Bill 2900. Representative Hamos. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. On page 35 on the Calendar, on Second Reading appears House Bill 3058. Representative Pios… Pihos. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. On page 18 on the Calendar, on Second Reading appears House Bill 2354. Representative Howard. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.” 09300030.doc 43  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 30th Legislative Day 3/18/2003

“Third Reading. On page 41 on the Calendar, on Second Reading appears House Bill 3386. Representative Rose. Representative Rose. Mr. Clerk, read the… Out of the record? Out of the record. On page 7 on the Calendar, on Second Reading appears House Bill 465. Representative Jakobsson. Naomi Jakobsson. What is your pleasure? Would you like to move that Bill to Third Reading? Out of the record. On page 7 on the Calendar, on Second Reading appears House Bill 496. Representative Jefferson. 496. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. On page 8 of the Calendar, on Second Reading appears House Bill 1118. Representative Joyce. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Representative Joyce on Amendment #2.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Amendment #2 is a technical change that allows the 09300030.doc 44  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 30th Legislative Day 3/18/2003 universities to change the tuition charge after a student changes majors into a different school. I move its adoption and would be happy to answer any questions.”

“Is there any discussion on Floor Amendment #2? Representative Parke.”

“Sponsor indicates he will yield.”

“The universities had some concern, Representative Parke over… I’m over here.”

“The university had… had some concern because the tuition charged at the liberal arts school, for example, is less than that of tuition charged at the engineering school… at the University of Illinois. And so, if we had kids paying… first entering the liberal arts school and then transferring to engineering, they’d be on a different level of tuition rates.”

“That’s correct.”

“That’s correct.”

Speaker Hartke: “Further discussion? Chair recognizes the Gentleman from De Kalb, Mr. Wirsing.” 09300030.doc 45  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 30th Legislative Day 3/18/2003

“Sponsor will yield.”

“Yes.”

“Thank you.”

“Further discussion? Since no one is seeking recognition, the question is, ‘Shall the House adopt Floor Amendment #2 to House Bill 1118?’ All those in favor signify by saying ‘aye’; opposed ‘no’. In the opinion of the Chair, the ‘ayes’ have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?”

“Third Reading.”

“Pardon? Third Reading. On page 11 on the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading, appears House Bill 1415. Representative Kelly. Mr. Clerk… Out of the record? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. On page 13 on the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading, appears House Bill 1516. Representative Joe Lyons. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. House Bill… on page 7 on the Calendar, on Second Reading appears House Bill 751. Speaker Madigan. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill. Out of the record. On page 30 on the Calendar, on Second Reading appears House Bill 2805. Representative McCarthy. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. On page 50 on the Calendar, on Third Reading appears House Bill 2525. Representative Lou Jones. Representative Jones on House Bill 2525. Out of the record. On page 47 on the Calendar, on the Order of Third Reading, appears House Bill 264. Representative Mautino. Mr. Clerk… Mr. Mautino, are you ready? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Mr. Mautino.” 09300030.doc 47  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 30th Legislative Day 3/18/2003

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 264 is the Producer Protection Act which has been now renamed as the Contract Production Act. And this is the result of about two years of negotiation. This started out as legislation that was proposed by 16 attorney generals throughout the production states. Representative Winters had filed the same language as I did, we decided to join together on one Bill. In the beginning, we had a lot of opposition to the Bill and over the course of these two years it has been negotiated so we finally came up with this Amendment which is an agreed Bill. And I wanna thank the Farm Bureau for working with us along with the corn, beans agricultural group, Chemical and Fertilizer Association. We’ve removed all the objection to a… a very important issue in the agricultural industry, and that deals with the readability, understandability of contracts as more production goes to contracts. And Representative Winters and I’d be happy to answer any questions.”

“Is there any discussion on House Bill 264? The Chair recognizes Representative Lang, the Gentleman from Cook.”

“Thank you. I rise in support of the Gentleman’s Bill. Mr. Mautino worked incredibly hard on this for a very long period of time. He managed to get all of the right people in the right places to pull this together. So, I would urge ‘aye’ votes.”

“Further discussion? Since no one is seeking… Representative Winters.” 09300030.doc 48  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 30th Legislative Day 3/18/2003

“Further discussion? Since no one is seeking recognition, Representative Mautino to close.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Appreciate ‘aye’ votes.”

“The question is, ‘Shall the House pass House Bill 264?’ All those in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; those opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 115 Members voting ‘yes’, 0 voting ‘no’, and 0 voting ‘present’. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On page 33 on the Calendar, on Second Reading appears House Bill 2968. Representative McGuire. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. On page 23 on the Calendar, on Second Reading appear House Bill 2584. Representative Mendoza. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill. 2582.”

“Third Reading. On page 6 on the Calendar, on Second Reading appears House Bill 430. Representative Miller. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. On page 35 on the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading, appears House Bill 3053. Representative Molaro. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. On page 6 on the Calendar, on Second Reading appears House Bill 360. Representative Novak. John Philip Novak. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill. Out of the record. On page 9 on the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading, appears House Bill 1195. Representative O’Brien. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. On page 18 on the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading, appears House Bill 2356. Representative Osterman. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“The Bill will remain on Second Reading pending the submission of the notes. On page 23 on the Calendar, on Second Reading appears House Bill 2577. Representative Phelps. Brandon Phelps. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. On page 35 on the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading, appears House Bill 3061. Representative Ryg. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill. Out of the record. On page 49 on the Calendar, on the Order of Third Reading, appears House Bill 1629. Representative Scully. Representative Scully. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Representative Scully.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I’d like to present to you House Bill 1629, which is a Bill to impose the requirement of four hours of premarital education by a behavioral health professional or 09300030.doc 51  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 30th Legislative Day 3/18/2003 a representative of a religious organization prior to obtaining a marriage license. There are several exceptions that have been built into the law. And the people also have the option of simply waiting for 60 days to obtain their license. I’d be happy to answer any questions. I’d ask for a favorable vote.”

“Is there any discussion? The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Parke.”

Speaker Hartke: “Sponsor will yield. Shhh. Ladies and Gentlemen, we’re on Third Reading on this Bill. Shhh.”

“What I’m saying is if they don’t take a course in premarital education, that they have to wait 60 days to get their marriage license.”

“Well, right now, a lot of religious organizations provide this type of marital training at no cost.”

“If they’re not affiliated with a religious organization, they can go… go to a… a behavioral health 09300030.doc 52  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 30th Legislative Day 3/18/2003 professional, as licensed under the State of Illinois, to obtain this education. And the training could be as simple as a supervised watching of a video. We think it’s very important as a matter of public policy to give people the tools that they need to be successful in marriage.”

“Well, if people wanted just one-on-one counseling, which certainly is available, it probably would cost several hundred dollars. But in a group session, watching a videotape, I think this can be done for a very minimal cost of 25 to 30 dollars. In addition, the Bill specifically provides that the professionals who would do this for a fee, would have to do so on a sliding scale basis and would have to offer some pro bono services.”

“That’s on page… line 196 and 197 of the Bill.”

“Well, in committee they were not opposed to the Bill and I’m not aware that they are opposed to the Bill.”

“They have na… never stated their opposition to the Bill. They have never contacted me about opposing it. 09300030.doc 53  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 30th Legislative Day 3/18/2003 They did not file a witness slip in the committee, so I have no idea why they’re opposed.”

“As I mentioned just a few moments ago, Representative, it is provided based on the financial means, and that is in lines 196 through 198 of the Bill.”

Speaker Hartke: “Further discussion? Chair recognizes Representative Hamos, the Lady from Cook.”

“Well, Ladies and Gentlemen, the previous speaker asked some very important and relevant questions and then when he didn’t get the answers, he said but I like it anyway. This is one of those issues which is an important concept, but its implementation, the devil is in the details. Question to the Sponsor, do these programs exist currently in every single neighborhood in this state?”

“The Sponsor will yield.” 09300030.doc 54  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 30th Legislative Day 3/18/2003

“Yes. Representative, I can assure you that certainly many religious organizations, including my own personal religion, has been offering this type of premarital education throughout our religion for decades. I… I took this type of training myself 27 years ago.”

“Well, and I, again, I think it’s very, very nice when people have churches that they belong to, where they feel comfortable going to, they can do this voluntarily right now. But this Bill requires every single one of our constituents who wants to get married to either affiliate with a church or to find some kind of a local social worker or counselor or something. Now, the counselors tell me that this program would cost $75 an hour, so times four, this is a $300 program right now if you find a counselor in your own neighborhood, if you can even find that… that counselor. The county clerks, Ladies and Gentlemen, are against this because they’re going to have hundreds and hundreds of their constituents showing up wanting to get married and they are going to be told, no, you cannot get married, either until you go find a program and pay your $300, do not pass go, do not get out of jail card, or they’re going to have to perjure themselves by filing an affidavit or they’re going to have to not be able to get married for 60 days. Never mind, if they’ve already organized a whole event. Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, could you… Mr. Speaker, can you try to get some kind of decorum here?” 09300030.doc 55  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 30th Legislative Day 3/18/2003

“Sure. Shhh. Ladies and Gentlemen, this is a very important piece of legislation. It’s on Third Reading. Would you please give the speaker your attention. Proceed.”

“Ladies and Gentlemen, the reason this is an important piece of legislation is not because it’s a bad concept, but it’s going to affect constituents in every single one of our districts. It’s going to require them to find some kind of program for premarital counseling, if they can find it, if they can afford it, and if they were able to do it on time. There is no infrastructure right now, in the State of Illinois, for doing these programs. A year ago, I asked the Sponsor from the Senate to set up a program that I could go to, to see what it was really like, and in one year they have not been able to find a program for me to go to. We’re talking about people who want to get married who are going to arrive at the doorsteps of the county clerk’s office and they’re going to be turned away. Good concept, but no concept about how to execute it, how to implement it. I really urge a ‘present’ or a ‘no’ vote.”

“Further discussion? Chair recognizes the Lady from Cook, Representative Mulligan.”

“Shhh.” 09300030.doc 57  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 30th Legislative Day 3/18/2003

Speaker Hartke: “Further discussion? Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Jackson, Mr. Bost.”

“Sponsor indicates he will yield.”

“There are certain process. They have to go to get a blood test. Then in a few days, they can get a marriage license.”

“It could be done in one day, yes.”

“Well, the Bill provides that… that the person providing the instruction can set the curricula and persons who would be authorized to conduct this training are either representatives of a religious institution or a behavioral health professional, as that term is designed… defined under Illinois law. These professionals would be able to establish their own curricula. The Bill is worded broadly enough to give them the right to set the curricula. And technically, having one of these professionals supervise a videotaped tra… a videotaped training course, would be sufficient, would satisfy these requirements.”

“What I am saying is a licensed professional who decided that supervising four and a half hours of training, much of which was done by watching videotapes, would satisfy the requirements of this Act.”

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Speaker Hartke: “Shhh. Excuse me, Mr. Bost. Ladies and Gentlemen, please. It’s getting very noisy in here and it’s very difficult to hear.”

“We’re on Third Reading. Shhh. Proceed, Mr. Bost.”

“Further discussion? Ladies and Gentlemen, there are eight people still seeking recognition on this legislation. To avoid repetition, let’s please give the speakers your attention. Chair recognizes Representative Meyer. Please be brief.”

“Sponsor will yield.”

“I’m sorry, I couldn’t hear your question.”

“I would envision something similar to the premarital screening that I received where we attended small group 09300030.doc 61  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 30th Legislative Day 3/18/2003 sessions that were instructed by a professional in the field of family behavioral counseling and we attended several different group sessions talking about the obligations that we were about to take on.”

“The person conducting the training.”

“We are leaving it up to professionals in the field to set the curricula.”

“We are… we are only requiring the participants to sign an affidavit that they attended the training. We are not requiring the person conducting the training to sign any documents at all.”

“To the Bill.”

Speaker Hartke: “Further discussion? Chair recognizes Representative Dunkin.”

“Mr. Speaker. Scully, ya know, prior to me coming here, I did psychotherapy.”

“The Sponsor will yield.”

“Well, will the Sponsor yield?”

“Yes.”

“I did psychotherapy. If this Bill passes, you would… you would have forced me to go back to work in that arena because that means I’ll make a windfall because you’re mandating folk for this. Are you sure you wanna go ahead with this? I mean, you’re mandating folk to get married by way of counseling.”

“Actually, Representative, if you put… if you provide this kind of service, you would have to do so sometimes on a pro bono basis, and certainly on a sliding scale basis, as required under the Act, based upon the financial means of the participants. It says that right in the Act.”

“Right. Even as a therapist, you don’t think that this is… this is relatively heavy-handed? I mean, to mandate someone go through counseling.”

“No, I don’t think it’s heavy-handed. I think that the burden that broken marriages imposes on our society is very heavy-handed. And I think we, as the public policymakers 09300030.doc 63  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 30th Legislative Day 3/18/2003 of the State of Illinois, have to do everything we can to preserve the sanctity of the family and to give young people the tools they need to be successful in marriage.”

“So, what if I wanted to marry State Representative Lou Jones here. She… she… I mean, I have to take off one of those rings and put a new one on. Will I have to… I mean, she’s a little older than me. Will she… will she have to go through counseling along with myself? I mean, I like older women, too. So… so, my point is, my point is… Okay, I’ll yield.”

Speaker Hartke: “Could we have some order, please. Representative Jones, would you stop pounding the speaker.”

“Okay. Thank you. My point is, this is… this is a bit heavy-handed and ya know… this is tough. This would be a tough sale, so… Oh, okay, it’s the Century Club. I yield. Thank you.”

Speaker Hartke: “Further discussion? Chair recognizes Representative Bellock.”

“Sponsor indicates that he will yield.”

“Representative, I have no idea what your question is.” 09300030.doc 64  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 30th Legislative Day 3/18/2003

“No. What we’re saying is that a standard form affidavit would be prepared… prepared for people to sign.”

“Are you reading from your synopsis?”

“I believe your synopsis is incorrect.”

“If that’s what it says, it’s incorrect.”

“The affidavit is issued by the person who is seeking the marriage license.”

“No.”

“No, that’s…”

“Okay. First, you do not have to be a member of a religious organization.”

“Okay.”

“Okay.”

“Okay. First, the Bill does not require… the Bill allows anyone to go to a religious organization to obtain the training. You don’t have to be a member of that religious organization to obtain the training. For example, the church that I belong to opens up their premarital education classes to anyone who wishes to attend. Second, in response to your second question, a ‘behavioral health professional’ means a person who is licensed as a clinical psychologist under the Clinical Psychologists Licensing Act or the Clinical Social Work and Social Work Practice Act. At…” 09300030.doc 66  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 30th Legislative Day 3/18/2003

“These are defined in… under the Bill.”

“Yes, that’s correct.”

“If you chose to go to one-on-one training sessions, yes, it would be quite expensive. If, instead, you choose to go to group sessions, it would be much less expensive.”

“There is no requirement in this Act that you have to have one-on-one counseling at all.”

Speaker Hartke: “Further discussion? Chair recognizes Representative Hultgren.”

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Speaker Hartke: “Further discussion? Chair recognizes Representative Cultra.”

“Sponsor will yield.”

Speaker Hartke: “Further discussion? Chair recognizes Representative Molaro.”

“Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Will the Sponsor yield?”

“Sponsor will yield.”

“Just as an aside, if we ever pass same-sex marriages in this state, would it count toward same-sex couples? Would they need it? That’s rhetorical. Let me… let me ask you something serious, though. Where do we get the exemption if you’re 55 or older? Why not 40 years old, 35, 45? ‘Cause it seems to make sense maybe for minors, but if someone’s 40 years old, they should know better. I mean, was this 55 years of age was that because AARP might have been against the Bill? Why 55 and not 40?” 09300030.doc 69  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 30th Legislative Day 3/18/2003

“Representative, 55 was chosen as what we thought was the best place to draw the line as for those people who just simply don’t need this kind of training anymore.”

“Secondly, is there an exemption for someone who’s been married before? Because they probably know what a bad idea it is to begin with, so I don’t know if they need to go to a counselor to be told that. Is… would you ever consider an exemption for someone who’s been married before?”

“Representative, there is no such exemption built into the Bill. And ironically, when we look at the statistics, second marriages are more likely to fail than first marriages.”

“And… and I guess you think if the people getting married for a second or third time, sat with a counselor for three or four hours, they may decide not to get married even though they probably know more about marriage than the counselors. Last question, then I’ll talk about the Bill. Is there, in the Bill, what the agenda would be for these people to talk about during the program or would everybody who administers this counseling have their own determination of what they should talk about or not talk about, is there any… gonna be anything uniform?”

“Representative, the Bill specifically provides that there is no set… no state prescribed curricula. Each instructor would be permitted to set their own curricula.”

“Well, then… then quickly to the Bill. One of the… one of the problems that we have in the state, and it was talked about a colleague who just spoke about marriages 09300030.doc 70  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 30th Legislative Day 3/18/2003 ending in divorce and even unwed mothers and children born out of wedlock… I don’t know what the number is, but it’s staggering the percentage of children that are born out of wedlock. And I just think that if you put another hurdle in front of people getting married, you may cause that number to even skyrocket further. So, I… I’m forced to vote ‘present’ on this Bill. Thank you.”

Speaker Hartke: “Further discussion? Since… Representative Lang.”

“Thank you. To the Bill.”

“To the Bill.”

“Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen. I rise in strong opposition to this legislation. My good friend, Representative Scully, has a very good idea, but this is an idea that should be a Resolution. We should resolve that marriage is important in Illinois and note that we have problems keeping the families of Illinois together and suggest that people get family counseling before they get married and suggest that they get family counseling after they get married. But what Representative Scully is proposing here amounts to a marriage tax. It says you have to pay money over here to this counselor if you wanna get married. Now, the Representative will say, well, ya know, we’re gonna have these sliding scales, so we’re gonna have hundreds of counselors around Illinois, each with a different sliding scale. And maybe some would decide, well, you don’t have to pay me at all. But there’s nothing in the Bill that says that anybody that… how that works, 09300030.doc 71  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 30th Legislative Day 3/18/2003 and so, it’s very vague. There’s also some exemptions in here. So, if a 56-year-old person wants to marry a 54- year-old person, they either have to go get counseling or they have to lie on their affidavit or they have to wait 60 days. This doesn’t make any sense. I don’t get it. The… it seems to me, Representative, that it would be just as… it would make just as much logical sense, rather than this Bill, to have a Bill that requires people who are married to get counseling. That would even make more sense. That’s when they need the counseling. It seems to me that we’re on the wrong track here. To require people to spend money before they get married is a marriage tax. We should not be about a marriage tax on this floor. It seems to me that Representative Scully, although he’s got the kernel of a good idea, over… he is… is going in the wrong direction. And one more thing before I sit down. Representative Osterman, over here, is about to get married. He may have a conflict of interest on this Bill and I would suggest he take a look at his vote very, very carefully. Although you might wanna vote ‘yes’ just for his sake, I recommend a ‘no’ vote.”

“Further discussion? Seeing no one is seeking recognition, the question is, ‘Shall… Representative Scully to close.”

“I thank… I’d ask you for a ‘yes’ vote on this Bill. Thank you.”

“The question is, ‘Shall the House pass House Bill 1629?’ All those in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; 09300030.doc 72  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 30th Legislative Day 3/18/2003 those opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 9 people voting ‘yes’, 103 voting ‘no’, 2 Members voting ‘present’. And this Bill, having failed to receive a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared lost. Mr. Miller, for what reason do you seek recognition?”

“Point of personal privilege.”

“State your point.”

“With that last vote, we… for those first freshmen here, we have something called the Century Club. And those individuals who have been honored by this distinct presence is Representative Churchill, Representative Skinner, Representative Lang, Representative John Dunn, Representative Novak, and others. And just because… well, the last time I had an Amendment, but Representative Scully is now married to the Century Club trophy.”

“Congratulations, Mr. Scully.”

“Congratulations.”

“On page 47 on the Calendar, on the Order of Third Reading, appears Rep… House Bill 116. Representative Smith. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Representative Smith.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It’s kinda hard to follow that, but I’ll do my best. This is one of the pieces of 09300030.doc 73  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 30th Legislative Day 3/18/2003 legislation that was recommended by the task force on fire protection funding, which I was pleased to cochair with Representative Moffitt. This simply would provide some parity between fire protection districts and municipalities. And this would allow fire protection districts to charge a civil penalty on individuals who repeatedly cause false fire alarms. Currently, municipal fire departments can do this, fire protection districts do not have that power. And this would simply give them that power and bring them into parity with municipal fire departments. I know of no opposition.”

“Is there any discussion? Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Parke.”

“Yes, we do remember it. And that is House Amendment #1, which is now part of the Bill.”

“Representative Moffitt.”

“Further discussion? Since no one is seeking recognition and everyone seems in agreement, the question is, ‘Shall the House pass House Bill 116?’ All those in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; those opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 115 Members voting ‘yes’, 0 voting ‘no’, and 0 voting ‘present’. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On page 48 of the Calendar, on the Order of Third Reading, appears House Bill 1249. Representative Slone. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Representative Slone.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 1249, which has already been amended on the floor, is a Bill that extends to Cook County legislation we passed last Session for all of the rest of the state. It would require notice, except in certain specified conditions, to a fire protection district before open burning occurs within that district, if an ordinance to that effect is passed. So, it is permissive to the localities. I’d be happy to answer any questions.” 09300030.doc 75  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 30th Legislative Day 3/18/2003

“Is there any discussion? Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Parke.”

“Sponsor will yield.”

“Chicago has been exempted from this throughout. They have their own ordinances and so on on this and they do not have a fire protection…”

“They don’t have a fire protection district, Representative Parke. So, it would not be applicable.”

“My understanding was that the city was exempted as part of the deal that was worked out with all the players in Cook County.”

“Further discussion? Since no one is seeking recognition, the question is, ‘Shall the House pass House Bill 1249?’ All those in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; those opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk… Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 115 Members voting ‘yes’, 0 voting 09300030.doc 76  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 30th Legislative Day 3/18/2003 ‘no’, and 0 voting ‘present’. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On page 14 of the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading, appears House Bill 1630. Representative Soto. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. On page 4 on the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading, appears House Bill 213. Representative Turner. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. On page 5 on the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading, appears House Bill 20… 277. Mr. Washington. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. On page 10 on the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading, appears House Bill 1352. Representative Yarbrough. Out of the record. On page 10 on the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading, appears 09300030.doc 77  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 30th Legislative Day 3/18/2003 House Bill 1358. Representative Kurtz. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. On page 14 on the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading, appears House Bill 1843. Representative Leitch. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

Speaker Hartke: “Out of the record. Mr. Leitch, I think there’s an Amendment been filed so we’re taking the Bill out of the record. On page 11 on the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading, appears House Bill 1374. Representative Lyons. Eileen Lyons. 1374. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. On page 21 on the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading, appears House Bill 2509. Representative Mathias. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. On page 18 on the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading, appears House Bill 2352. Representative Mitchell. Jerry Mitchell. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. On page 24 on the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading, appears House Bill 2634. Representative Munson. Representative Munson. Out of the record. On page 41 on the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading, appears House Bill 3386. Representative Rose. Representative Rose. Out of the record. On page 49 on the Calendar, on the Order of a Third Reading, appears House Bill 1585. Representative Moffitt. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Representative Moffitt.”

“Is there any discussion? Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Whiteside, Mr. Mitchell. Jerry Mitchell.” Mitchell, J.: “Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise in full support of this Bill. I’ve had several veterans from my area come into my office concerned that their DD214s are a matter of public record and with that… and even though they request that these not be given out without their permission, it’s still done. Until this Bill is passed, we will have that problem. It’s… it’s constituent-driven and looks like a real fine piece of legislation. I commend the Sponsor. Thank you.”

Speaker Hartke: “Further discussion? Chair recognizes Mr. Brady.”

“Sponsor indicates that he will yield.”

“Further discussion? Since no one is seeking… Representative Mautino, the Gentleman from Bureau.”

“Representative, I had just a couple of questions. Who has access to the… to the discharge papers?”

“Now, the… for some of the things that the VAC processes, uses in their processing, will they be able to get that information on what’ll now be available?”

“Yes.”

“Has… has this been amended to reflect the concerns that some of the VAC facilities had? Did they give you some language for this?” 09300030.doc 81  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 30th Legislative Day 3/18/2003

“Okay. I’ll check with my local VACs in here then. If there is something… They were looking at some of the language, they had a question on. So, I’ll let that go forward and then maybe in the Senate, if they have something, it can be addressed there.”

“Yeah. This was just a… a request that I had had a couple of days ago. And I know that at the time it was presented in committee, there was nothing there. So, go right ahead. I understand what you’re trying to do and I’ll… I’ll make sure that’s what they were looking at and if we need to, we can address it in the Senate.”

“Further discussion? Since no one is seeking recognition, Representative Moffitt to close.”

“The question is, ‘Shall the House pass House Bill 1585?’ All those in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; those opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 115 Members voting ‘yes’, 0 voting ‘no’, 0 voting ‘present’. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On page 47 on the Calendar, on the Order of Third Reading, appears House Bill 298. Representative Poe. Representative Poe. Mr. Clerk, read the… read the Bill.”

“Representative Poe.”

“Is there any discussion? Seeing that no one is seeking recognition, the question is, ‘Shall the House pass House Bill 298?’ All those in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; those opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 115 Members voting ‘yes’, 0 voting ‘no’, and 0 voting ‘present’. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On page 49 on the Calendar, on the Order of Third Reading, appears House Bill 2279. Representative Leitch. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill. 2279.”

“Representative Leitch.”

“Is there any discussion? Chair recognizes Representative Slone.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise in opposition to this legislation. The current statute and practice in the State of Illinois is that the community colleges do not and 09300030.doc 84  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 30th Legislative Day 3/18/2003 should not have dormitory housing. They are intended to play a very different role in the community than our state universities. And it is the policy of the community college board of trustees to oppose the construction of housing for community college students. The community colleges… Our intent and in effect is community colleges not as residential colleges like our state universities and this would override a long-standing policy. So, I am in opposition to this legislation.”

“Further discussion? Seeing that no one is seeking recognition, Representative Leitch to close.”

“The question is, ‘Shall the House pass House Bill 2279?’ All those in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; those opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Brunsvold. Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 102 Members voting ‘yes’, 8 Members voting ‘no’, and 5 Members voting ‘present’. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On page 50 of the Calendar, on the Order of Third Reading, appears House Bill 2525. Representative Lou Jones. Representative Jones. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Representative Jones.” 09300030.doc 85  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 30th Legislative Day 3/18/2003

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. House Bill 2525 amends the Criminal Code of 1961. It allows domestic… domestic battery to be charged as Class A felony instead of a Class A misdemeanor, if the defendant has any prior conviction under the law of another jurisdiction for any offense which is substantially similar to Illinois’ offense that out… there’s a basis for the enhancement.”

“Is there any discussion? Chair recognizes the Lady from Grundy, Representative O’Brien.”

Speaker Hartke: “Further discussion? Chair recognizes the Gentlemen from Coles, Representative… Champaign, excuse me, Mr. Rose.”

“Further discussion? Chair recognizes the Lady from Cook, Representative Lyons. Eileen Lyons.” Lyons, E.: “Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I, too, rise in strong support of this legislation. The victims coming over state lines to seek shelter, this legislation would really help those victims because there are many abusers who cross state lines and seek the victims out. And I commend the Representative for her sponsoring this legislation and urge an ‘aye’ vote.”

“Further discussion? Since no one is seeking recognition, Representative Lou Jones to close. Would you like to close, Representative Jones?”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I ask for a favorable vote.”

“The question is, ‘Shall the House pass House Bill 2525?’ All those in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; those opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Representative Dunkin. Representative Turner. Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 115 Members voting ‘yes’, 0 voting 09300030.doc 87  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 30th Legislative Day 3/18/2003 ‘no’, and 0 voting ‘present’. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On page 41 on the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading, appears House Bill 3386. Representative Rose. Mr… Take that Bill out of the record. On page 37 on the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading, appears House Bill 3106. Representative Bassi. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. On page 42 of the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading, appears House Bill 3486. Representative Bailey. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. On page 20 of the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading, appears House Bill 2447. Representative Bellock. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. House… on page 43 on the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading, appears House 09300030.doc 88  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 30th Legislative Day 3/18/2003 Bill 3504. Representative Bradley. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. On page 32 on the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading, appears House Bill 2890. Representative Brunsvold. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. On page 31 on the Calendar, on the Order Second Reading, appears House Bill 2845. Representative Brady. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. On page 31 of the Calendar, on Second Reading, appears House Bill 2848. Representative Coulson. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. On page 43 on the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading, appears House Bill 3522. Representative Burke. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. On page 19 on the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading, appears House Bill 2442. Representative Chapa LaVia. Representative Chapa LaVia. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. On page 30 on the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading, appears House Bill 2797. Representative Eddy. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. On page 9 on the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading, appears House Bill 1182. Representative Collins. Representative Collins. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.” 09300030.doc 90  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 30th Legislative Day 3/18/2003

“Third Reading. On page 49 on the Calendar appears House Bill 23… excuse me. On page 49 on the Calendar, on the Order of Third Reading, appears House Bill 2350. Representative Colvin. Are you ready to call that Bill on Third Reading? Out of the record. On page 48 of… on the Calendar, on Third Reading appears House Bill 538. Representative Acevedo. On Third Reading. Are you ready to call that Bill on Third Reading? Let’s run it. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

"Representative Acevedo.”

"Mr. Speaker, take this Bill out of the record.”

"Take this Bill out of the record. On page 48 on the Calendar appears House Bill 538. Representative Acevedo. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

"Representative Acevedo.”

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 538 changes the repeal date from July 1, 2004 to July 1, 2012, which amends the Gang Crimes Witness Protection Act. It also makes the change the sunset date of the Capital Crimes and Litigation Act to Ju… from July 09300030.doc 91  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 30th Legislative Day 3/18/2003 1, 2008 to July 1, 2004… from July 1, 2004 to July 1, 2008.”

"Is there any discussion? Since no one is seeking recognition, the question is, ‘Shall the House pass House Bill 538?’ All those in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; those opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 115 Members voting ‘yes’, 0 voting ‘no’, and 0 voting ‘present’. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Colvin, would you like to try your Bill now? On page 49 on the Calendar, on Third Reading appears House Bill 2350. Representative Colvin. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Representative Colvin.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. House Bill 2350 provides that the State Board of Education shall accept as qualifications for noncertified personnel relevant life experiences as determined by the state board by rule, if this Bill is to go into law. In effect, what this Bill will do was award teachers, teachers’ assistants, and paraprofessionals credit, college credit, toward the 60 hours that would be required by the No Child Left Behind Act in lieu of any time that they don’t have in the classroom. As a result of having earned the 60 hours… having to earn… had to earn 60 09300030.doc 92  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 30th Legislative Day 3/18/2003 hours, any time they’d already spent in the role as a paraprofessional will be counted toward those 60 hours. I’d be happy to answer any questions.”

“Is there any discussion? Seeing that no one is seeking recognition, the question is, ‘Shall the House pass House Bill 2350?’ All those in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; those opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk… Representative Kelly. Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 115 Members voting ‘yes’, 0 voting ‘no’, and 0 voting ‘present’. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On page 15 of the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading, appears House Bill 2186. Representative Currie. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Representative Currie on Floor Amendment #1.”

“Thank you, Speaker and Members of the House. As introduced, House Bill 2186 was a very ambitious program expanding significantly over five or six years the earned income tax credit. The Amendment significantly modifies the ambition that was part of the original Bill. As amended, if this is adopted, the measure would extend the earned income tax credit, retain the five percent of the 09300030.doc 93  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 30th Legislative Day 3/18/2003 federal credit as the basis for the Illinois tax break and in year two apply the refundability principal that is part of Federal Law to the Illinois program. I’d be happy to answer your questions and I’d appreciate your support for the Amendment.”

“Is there any discussion? Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Parke.”

“Sponsor indicates that she will yield.”

“This retains the earned income tax credit at five percent of the federal. With the Amendment, that credit would be refundable in the… not this fiscal year but the next fiscal year.”

“The percentage would not change.”

“In the second year, the five percent credit would be refundable.”

“To the taxpayer.”

“I don’t have exact figures, but the original Bill, in year five, the projected cost was around 285 million dollars. As I said, it was ambitious, as introduced. With this Amendment, the out-year cost would run perhaps 18, perhaps 20 million dollars. But that’s an out-year cost, not a cost for the current budget year.” 09300030.doc 94  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 30th Legislative Day 3/18/2003

“That’s… I’m sorry. I meant the ’04 budget year, no change from current spending.”

“In fiscal year ’04, it would be approximately what we spend today.”

“Same amount. So, I guess… I guess my… my comment to you, Representative, if you would like to be a fiscal conservative, then I think that the proper vote on Amendment 1 is ‘yes’ because Amendment 1 significantly reduces the out-year costs of House Bill 2186, as introduced.”

“Yeah. Actually, those are not the appropriate figures for this Bill, but yes.”

“To the Bill.”

“Further discussion? Chair recognizes the Lady from Kane, Representative Lindner.”

“Sponsor indicates that she will yield.”

“Further discussion? Since no one is seeking recognition, Representative Currie to close.”

“Thank you, Speaker. I think the issue is clear. If you wanna spend less in future years, vote ‘yes’ on Amendment 1 to House Bill 2186.”

“The question is, ‘Shall the House adopt Floor Amendment #1 to House Bill 2186?’ All in favor signify by saying ‘yes’; those opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is open. Excuse me. The ‘ayes’ have it. And the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?”

“Third Reading. On page 27 of the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading, appears House Bill 3115. Representative Hultgren. Representative Hultgren. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. On page 39 on the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading, appears House Bill 3232. Representative Davis. Will Davis. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.” 09300030.doc 97  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 30th Legislative Day 3/18/2003

“Third Reading. On page 36 of the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading, appears House Bill 3072. Representative Delgado. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. On the Order… on page 16, on the Order of Second Reading, appears House Bill 2246. Representative Krause. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. On page 44 on the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading, appears House Bill 3620. Representative Dunkin. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. On page 31 on the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading, appears House Bill 2858. Representative Mathias. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.” 09300030.doc 98  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 30th Legislative Day 3/18/2003

“Third Reading. On page 40 on the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading, appears House Bill 3285. Representative McAuliffe. 3285. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. On page 6 on the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading, appears House Bill 374. Representative Mitchell. Bill Mitchell. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. On page 6 on the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading, appears House Bill 416. Representative Hamos. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. On page 3 on the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading, appears House Bill 79. Representative Hannig. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. On page 49 on the Calendar, on the Order Third Reading, appears House Bill 2136. Representative Sara Feigenholtz. 2136.”

“Would you like to call that Bill today? Take that Bill out of the record. On page 49 on the Calendar, on the Order of Third Reading, appears House Bill 2136. Representative Feigenholtz. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Representative Feigenholtz.”

“Thank you very much, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House and Mr. Speaker. This is a Bill that has come out of some recommendations from the Adoption Registry Advisory Committee. It simply strikes the need for a witness signature. I’d be glad to answer any questions.”

“Is there any discussion on House Bill 2136? Seeing that no one is seeking recognition, the question is, ‘Shall the House pass House Bill 2136?’ All those in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; those opposed vote ‘no’. The 09300030.doc 100  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 30th Legislative Day 3/18/2003 voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 115 Members voting ‘yes’, 0 voting ‘no’, and 0 voting ‘present’. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On page 42 on the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading, appears House Bill 3487. Representative Mulligan. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. On page 13 on the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading, appears House Bill 1530. Representative Jakobsson. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. On page 7 on the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading, appears House Bill 470. Representative Munson. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. On page 32 on the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading, appears House Bill 2930. Representative Osmond. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. On page 23 on the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading, appears House Bill 2587. Representative Lou Jones. Representative Jones. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. On page 36 on the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading, appears House Bill 3063. Representative Pankau. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. On page 33 on the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading, appears House Bill 2972. Representative Joyce. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. On page 41 on the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading, appears House Bill 3427. Representative Kelly. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. On page 34 on the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading, appears House Bill 2976. Representative Poe. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. On page 22 on the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading, appears House Bill 2543. Representative Joe Lyons. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. House Bill… on page 43 on the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading, appears House Bill 3493. Representative Rose. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.” 09300030.doc 103  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 30th Legislative Day 3/18/2003

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, what is the status of House Bill 3427?”

“Move that Bill back to the Order of Second Reading for the purpose of an Amendment at the request of the Sponsor. Representative Mendoza, for what reason do you seek recognition?”

“I rise on a point of personal privilege. Mr. Speaker, I just wanted to make an announcement to all of the Members. COWL, and I don’t want any funny noises from the boys, will be having a Members reception tomorrow from 5 to 7 at the Pasfield House. I just wanted to make an announcement. Everyone’s invited, we don’t just want the Ladies there. We want our… our guy friends and to have a good time. And it’s open to both chambers, the House and the Senate. Everyone’s invited. We’re gonna have a little cocktail reception on behalf of COWL for everyone to get to know each other a little bit better. I know most of us do know who all of us are, but it’ll be a nice opportunity to mingle with our Senate colleagues and get to know each other a little better and just talk about whatever we want to talk about. It’s just to have some fun. So, hope to 09300030.doc 104  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 30th Legislative Day 3/18/2003 see everyone there from 5 to 7. For those of you who don’t know where Pasfield House is, Tony Leone’s house. So, if you have any other questions, please talk to me or any of the other Ladies who are in COWL, 5 to 7 tomorrow night. COWL, Conference of Women Legislators. Clothing is mandatory. Thank you.”

“Thank you. Further… Representative Stephens, for what reason do you seek recognition?”

“State your point.”

“Representative Turner is in his chair.”

“Mr. Turner.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Our meeting is scheduled for April. Actually, I think, April 1st is the tentative date, right now.”

“On page 17 on the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading, appears House Bill 2316. Representative Winters. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. On page 36 on the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading, appears House Bill 3090. Representative Dunn. Representative Dunn. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. On page 42 on the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading, appears House Bill 3466. Representative Dunn. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. On page 6 of the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading, appears House Bill 349. Representative Stephens. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. On page 14 on the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading, appears House Bill 1809. Representative Stephens. 1809. Mr. Stephens, you have an Amendment in Rules. This Bill will remain on Second. Do you wanna move it without the Amendment? Okay, leave it on 09300030.doc 106  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 30th Legislative Day 3/18/2003 Second. On page 35 on the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading appears, House Bill 3050. Mr. Wirsing. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. On page 20 on the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading, appears House Bill 2454. Representative Wirsing. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. On page 7 on the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading, appears House Bill 514. Representative Sacia. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. On page 46 on the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading, appears House Bill 3692. Representative Sacia. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. On page 47 on the Calendar, on the Order of Third Reading, appears House Bill 308. Representative Molaro. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Representative Molaro.”

“Thank you, Mr. Chairman, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. In the statute, with the Water Reclamation District, many, many years ago was formed the Civil Service Commission. This has nothing to do with the commissioners who are elected. This is a Civil Service Commission which consists of three members, and all they do is hear disciplinary actions, they hear hiring and firing and they are there. They work about 25 hours a week, 30 hours a week. They’re a Civil Service Board that hears these types of agenda. But their salary is set by statute and it was set maybe 1988. This Bill has been around about three years ago, we were deciding whether or not to call it. It was a bad time then, it was a bad time last year. And it’s finally reached our desk that it is time that these people, who haven’t had a raise in over… since 1988, that they get a raise from their current salary of 15 thousand to a proposed salary of 20 thousand. And unfortunately, they do have to come to Springfield to do it, the Water Reclamation District Commissioners cannot do it for ‘em. But I repeat, two things, this is not the elected commissioners and it 09300030.doc 108  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 30th Legislative Day 3/18/2003 does not cost the State of Illinois one penny. And that’s what the Bill does.”

“Is there any discussion? Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Parke.”

“Sponsor indicates that he will yield.”

“This… The answer to that is, I’m told by the MWRD Commissioners that it would come out of their current budget. That there will be no… no increase to their budget if, in fact, this is passed.”

“To the Bill.”

“Further discussion? Since no one is seeking recognition, except Representative Mulligan. She declines recognition. Representative Molaro to close.” 09300030.doc 109  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 30th Legislative Day 3/18/2003

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Again, just quickly, there is no cost to the State of Illinois. It’s already built into the budget at the MWRD and these people have not received any increase in over 10 years and it’s the Civil Service Board, not the commissioners. And we’d ask for a favorable Roll Call.”

“Question is, ‘Shall the House pass House Bill 308?’ All those in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; those opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Fritchey and Representative Kurtz. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 60 Members voting ‘yes’, 53 Members voting ‘no’, 2 Members voting ‘present’. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On page 19 of the Calendar, on Second Reading appears House Bill 2425. Representative Capparelli. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Capparelli, do you have an Amendment for that Bill that’s pending? You’re sure? On page 21 on the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading, appears House Bill 2486. Representative Nekritz. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.” 09300030.doc 110  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 30th Legislative Day 3/18/2003

“Third Reading. On page 42 on the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading, appears House Bill 3452. Representative McGuire. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. On page 41 on the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading, appears House Bill 3396. Representative McKeon. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. On page 44 on the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading, appears House Bill 3587. Representative Mendoza. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. On page 7 on the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading, appears House Bill 520. Representative Millner. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.” 09300030.doc 111  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 30th Legislative Day 3/18/2003

“Mr. Clerk, take that Bill out of the record. On page 12 of the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading, appears House Bill 15… 1458, 1-4-5-8. Mary K. O’Brien. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. On page 38 of the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading, appears House Bill 3229. Representative Osterman. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. On page 21 on the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading, appears House Bill 2491. Representative Rita. Representative Rita. Out of the record. On page 35 on the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading, appears House Bill 3060. Representative Ryg. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. On page 16 of the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading, appears House Bill 2216. Representative Smith. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. On page 9 of the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading, appears House Bill 1250. Representative Slone. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. On page 49 on the Calendar appears Senate Bill 1624. Representative Scully. House Bill. Out of the record. On page 49 on the Calendar, on the Order Third Reading… Let’s have some order. On page 49 on the Calendar, on the Order of Third Reading, appears House Bill 1632. Representative Soto. Representative Soto. Cynthia Soto. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Representative Soto.”

“Thank you, Speaker and Members of the House. This Bill is a consumer Bill. It is a Bill… and this Bill is a 09300030.doc 113  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 30th Legislative Day 3/18/2003 Consumer Fraud and Deceptive Business Practice Act to require a person or entity that offers free goods or service to an Illinois consumer on a trial basis and assesses a periodic fee or charge for goods or service, after the end of the free-trial period, to send to any consumer who accepts a free good or service a form that the consumer may use to indicate his or her agreement to pay the periodic fee. Consumer indicating that assent to the fee, the fee cannot be imposed after the end of the free trial period. Violation of this Section constitutes an unlawful practice within the meaning of the Act. The reason why I bring this Bill is because this really affects a lot of our senior citizens. And do you know what, they forget to cancel it and then they’re responsible for paying this fee. I had a constituent that came to me that she had a free trial on a magazine, after that she was… she had to pay $18 hundred. Now, they’re living on a fixed income and they cannot afford it. And again, they forget to cancel that prescription… subscription. So, again, I urge your support on this Bill. It’s a consumer Bill and I call it my senior citizen Bill. So, I urge your support and I thank you for your support.”

“Is there any discussion? Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Parke.”

“Sponsor indicates that she will yield.”

“How do we know that they have the form?”

“Well, they can say that, but in the past what’s happened is automatically they send them this… this Bill to pay whatever amount it is. When they, in fact, don’t want the subscription.”

“Yes, they do. They’re obligated to pay it.”

“Because it’s a free trial. After 30 days, you’re obligated to pay the bill if you don’t call and cancel. And, as you know, many of us forget to do that, too. I know it’s happened to me.”

“No one did. In fact, I have a lot of cosponsors.”

“I’m sorry. I can’t hear you.”

“No, there isn’t.”

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“Correct. Shall.”

“There is no penalties to this Bill.”

“I think it will and if I need to, you know, introduce or add to this Bill in the future, I will do so.”

“I think it will. It will send the message. Thank you.”

“Further discussion? Since no one is seeking recognition, Representative Soto to close.”

“Thank you. I urge everyone for an ‘aye’ vote. I really appreciate your support. Again, we have these practices that we need to stop. I mean, it really takes… this will help. This is a good Bill and again, it will help our senior citizens in all our districts. Again, thank you for your ‘aye’ votes.”

“The question is, ‘Shall the House pass House Bill 1632?’ All those in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; those opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 115 Members voting ‘yes’, 0 voting ‘no’, and 0 voting ‘present’. And this 09300030.doc 116  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 30th Legislative Day 3/18/2003 Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On page 15 on the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading, appears House Bill 2188. Representative Nekritz. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. The House is preparing to adjourn. Chair recognizes Representative Sullivan. Yes.”

“State your point.’

“Thank you for that invitation. Representative Currie now moves, allowing perfunctory time for the Clerk, that the House stand adjourned ‘til the hour of 10 a.m., Wednesday, March 19th. All those in favor signify by saying ‘aye’; opposed ‘no’. In the opinion of the Chair, the ‘ayes’ have it. And the House stands adjourned ‘til the hour of 10 a.m., Wednesday, March 19th.”