Illinois House Floor Debate — April 4, 2003

“The House shall come to order. The Members shall be in their chairs. We shall be led in prayer today by the Reverend Nancy Weingartner of the Sycamore United Methodist Church in Sycamore. Reverend Weingartner is the guest of Representative Wirsing. The guests in the gallery may wish to rise and join us for the invocation and the Pledge of Allegiance.”

“We shall be led in the Pledge of Allegiance by Representative Hartke.” Hartke – et al: “I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.”

“Roll Call for Attendance. Representative Currie.”

“Thank you, Speaker. Please let the record show that there are no excused absences among House Democrats today.”

“Mr. Bost. Mr. Bost.”

“The Clerk shall take the record. There being 118 Members responding to the Attendance Roll Call, there is a quorum present. Mr. Clerk.”

“Mr. Sacia.”

“State your point.”

“All right. Ladies and Gentlemen, today is the last day for House Bills. As has been our practice, we are going to proceed through the priority calls. If a Bill is called today and you decline to call the Bill, that’s the last call, we’re not coming back to it. So I have in front of me a list of priority one calls. And if you decline to call the Bill now, we’re not gonna come back to it. So, Mr. Meyer. Is Mr. Meyer in the chamber? All right, for clarification, I’ll wait ‘til Mr. Meyer is in the chamber to give him an opportunity to call the Bill. But once he’s in the chamber and he declines to call the 09300042.doc 4  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003 Bill, we’re moving on. Mr. Hartke, do you wish to call 2786? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Mr. Hartke.”

“Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. House Bill 2786 is… is a piece of legislation to streamline and expedite the Department of Transportation’s daily permits that are issued for oversized concrete pumps and well-drilling equipment. Currently, when a piece of equipment that is oversized and needs a permit from the Department of Transportation, they must call the Department of Transportation to get a permit to move those trucks. Many times these decisions are made at 3, 4, 5 o’clock in the morning. The weather’s gonna permit these… the equipment’s necessity to be moved to a construction site and is difficult of getting a hold of the Department of Transportation, which delays the activity of the construction of that day. This piece of legislation will allow for annual permits. I would be happy to answer any questions.”

“The Gentleman moves for the passage of the Bill. The Chair recognizes Mr. Mautino.”

“Yes, will the Sponsor yield? Representative Hartke, would this… would this also include the… the cranes, as well? The supersize, are they… they usually travel with a boom dolly, you know, to carry the extra… the extra weights on those.” 09300042.doc 5  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003

“Yes.”

“Great, thanks. Support your Bill.”

“Mr. Black.”

“The Sponsor yields.”

“I’m am not sure. This does not change any of the fee structures for these permits.”

“Mr. Hartke.”

“I’m not sure what the… the cost of these permits are currently. However, this legislation calls for a permit that will be $2 thousand for a one-year permit and $5 hundred, of course, for a quarterly permit.”

“I don’t know what the daily permit charge is now.”

“It’s my understanding that this is for the… those cranes that are… that are transported, broken down. You know, when you see the trucks with…”

“…multiple wheels and big train… cranes.” 09300042.doc 6  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003

“The question is, ‘Shall this Bill pass?’ Those in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; those opposed by voting ‘no’. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question, there are 110 people voting ‘yes’, 7 people voting ‘no’. This Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Mr. Davis, did you wish to call House Bill 2265? Mr. Clerk, what is the status of House Bill 2265?”

“Mr. Davis.” Davis, S.: “Yes, thank you, Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Amendment #2 to House Bill 2265 is agreed language between SBC, Verizon, Illinois Telephone Association, the Illinois Commerce Commission, and the competitive carriers to help streamline the administrative process of filing competitive contracts with the commission. The underlying Bill was an effort to… just to get rid of some of the unnecessary, overburdened paperwork. And the Amendment is, more or less, clean up language that was requested by the ICC and by the competitive carriers in committee. And I would move for the adoption of Floor Amendment #2.” 09300042.doc 7  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003

“The Gentleman moves for the adoption of the Amendment. Those in favor say ‘yes’; those opposed say ‘no’. The ‘ayes’ have it. The Amendment is adopted. Are there any further Amendments?”

“Third Reading. Read the Bill.”

“Mr. Davis. Mr. Davis.” Davis, S.: “Yes, thank you, Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 2265 is an… is an initiative brought to me by SBC. And it is an agreed to Bill, with the Amendment. It requires that the Public Utilities Act permit the carriers to respond to the marketplace by offering services at rates and terms that differ from the tariff rates. The ICC oversight helps prevent those contracts from having anticompetitive effects. And I would ask for the… an ‘aye’ vote on the… on the Bill.”

“The Gentleman moves for the passage of the Bill. Those in favor signify by voting ‘yes’, those opposed by voting ‘no’. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question, there are 117 people voting ‘yes’, 0 voting ‘no’. This Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Mr. Meyer. Is Mr. Meyer in the chamber? Mr. Franks, did you wish to call House Bill 209? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Mr. Clerk, take this out of the record. Mr. Wirsing. The House is not on the order of debate on the Bill. So the Chair will recognize Mr. Wirsing.”

“Mr. Wirsing, I think your purpose is for an introduction.”

“So, please… please, proceed.”

“Mr. Clerk, we’ll… we’ll go on the order of House Bill 209. Has the Bill been read a third time? Mr. Clerk.”

“Mr. Franks.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Before I start I’d like to thank Speaker Madigan for all his help in this, in making this a real priority, and his leadership. We’ve had a lot of people working on this Bill for a long time. There’s been Citizen Action, there’s been Bill Perkins and AFSCME. Representative Bill Mitchell took a lot of heat when he 09300042.doc 9  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003 supported this Bill a few years ago and I’m proud to have him as a hyphenated cosponsor. And also, Representative Jay Hoffman who’s worked very hard on this. I’d like to thank all those people for bringing this together. And also for Governor Blagojevich and his commitment to this, he made this a big priority during his campaign. And we worked closely with the Governor’s Office in crafting this agreement. We all know that the lack of medicare prescription drug coverage for our elderly and our disabled population is the single biggest gap in health… health coverage that our nation faces. Unfortunately, the Federal Government continues to drag its heels on the issue while our seniors get sicker and poorer. More than one in eight seniors have to choose between food and their prescribed medications. What’s truly alarming is that while seniors make up 12 percent of our population, they purchase 37 percent of the prescription drugs that are used. Unlike large corporations and institutional customers, like HMOs, with their market power to buy drugs at discount prices, individual customers are left paying the highest prices. And these prices, those prices here in the United States, are the world’s highest. They average 32 percent more than in Canada, 40 percent more than in Mexico, and 60 percent more than in the United Kingdom. And let’s remember, these are the same drugs that are used all over. So, what’s the bottom line? The most profitable industry in the country, the pharmaceutical industry, is charging the highest prices in the world to our most vulnerable citizens. It’s bad 09300042.doc 10  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003 medicine, it’s bad economics, and it’s bad public policy. We’re here today to end the price discrimination and ensure fairness for all seniors. We must protect our seniors before they lose their homes, their liberty, and their health. I… I’ll be glad to answer any questions. I can explain what this Bill does.”

“Ladies and Gentlemen, this Bill is on the Order of Standard Debate. We’ve had one person speak for the Bill. The Chair recognizes Representative Coulson.”

“The Sponsor yields.”

“No, it’s here.”

“Amendment 1 and 2 be… their… engrossed, becomes the Bill.”

“And what House Bill 209 would do was… would provide prescription drugs to all seniors and disabled citizens at fair and reasonable prices. What we’re trying to do with House Bill 209 is to establish a prescription drug discount program, which will be administered by CMS or whatever program administrator they choose, but we believe it’ll be 09300042.doc 11  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003 CMS. And the administrator would be able to negotiate the best rates on prescription drugs. CMS already purchases drugs for the State Employees Group Insurance Program, so it makes sense that we consolidate these activities under one agency. And we believe by bringing all negotiating and purchasing for prescription drugs under one roof that we can dramatically lower the medication costs while saving the state millions of dollars. As… as you know, Representative, the Governor has issued an executive order to establish a Prescription Drug Advocates for the state, so we’re already in the position to achieve savings and prudent purchasing of our drugs.”

“Yes, very good point, Representative. And I think that’s what got you on as a Sponsor. We have met with the big manufacturers and Pharma and they had a problem with requiring the federal supply schedule, as well as the Medicaid pricing. We took both of those issues out of this Bill. And when I talked to Cheryl Luria yesterday, of Glaxo, she told me they are not opposed to this Bill.”

“Right.” 09300042.doc 12  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003

“Absolutely not, we’re gonna let the market decide. But what… I… I could give you some examples, if that can help, because this is what we believe is gonna happen. Without the program, for example, for Pepcid, an average retail price here in Springfield is $62.70. We believe with our buying club an individual would pay $19.69 or a savings of 68 percent on that particular drug. It’s all gonna be drug specific. On some drugs we’re not gonna save that much, but on others we can do really well. And if we use the mail-order component, which we have here, we can do even better. Without the program, for arguing sense, there’s a drug called Teclid. They pay an average retail price in Springfield of $80.35. In the buying club we’d spend $14.85, that individual who wanted to purchase it. And that’s a savings of 811/2 percent. Now, obviously, these… these….”

“Those are at the high end. And we have a couple that we’ve pointed out that are in the 80 percent region, some in the 60 percent region, and some, quite frankly, that are much less. But at least now, we’ll be able to use our market power as it should be used. And as you know, Illinois has done a really bad job of using our market power.” 09300042.doc 13  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003

“Yeah, that’s a… that’s a very important component because with this… with the Amendment, the pharmacists are now neutral on the Bill. Now, I’m not sure they’re supporting it, but they’re at least neutral. And what we’ve done is, they’ve agreed… and I… and I need to say this. We need to thank pharm… the pharm… our pharmacists, as well as the retail merchants, who have bargained in good faith in this for a long time. And what they’ve agreed to do, right off… right off the bat, is to give the average wholesale price minus 12 percent, automatically a 12 percent discount, by the pharmacists if you’re using a brand name, or AWP minus 35 percent if you’re using a generic. Now that’s even before we negotiate or have our administrator through a PBM or if our administrator does it, and a PBM means pharmacy benefit manager, have them negotiate with the manufacturers. And we’ve seen… what we’ve been able to do already, CMS, is just like been what we have for our Legislators, and we believe we’ll be able to do at least that well with our buying club. And that’s how we’re coming up with these numbers.”

“It could be higher, it could be between… our numbers indicate it could between 500 thousand and 700 thousand seniors. Certainly, everyone is eligible, it’s not… and then the good part about this Bill, it’s not mandatory. And if you wish to join you may, and you’d be paying a $25 annual fee. And those people that are already signed up for circuit breaker, they will get the card for free because they’ve already qualified.”

“The pharmacists aren’t required. They choose… if they choose to be part of this they may be. But with the reimbursement rate and what we’ve given them as the… the dispensing fee, they won’t be hurt on this. And the pharmacists in IRMA have agreed to this Bill, you know, they’re neutral on it now. So, we believe that there’s gonna be a lot of participation. And we wanted to make a Bill that folks could participate in because it doesn’t do us any good if nobody’s gonna do it and the pharmacies aren’t gonna… aren’t gonna be part of it. Now, we’ve got the pharmacists who are going to be part of this program, so it’s gonna be something that’s actually gonna work.”

“Absolutely. I know the Governor is committed to that, I know the Speaker is. And we’ve talked about this, it’s a question of budgetary constraints right now. We will continue to work on that ‘cause you’re right. But this Bill also will help the lowest income seniors as well, even those that are members of the circuit breaker. A lot of the drugs aren’t on circuit breaker, so this… we should… a lot… all the drugs should, theoretically, be covered, whatever we can cut a deal on. So, we’ll be able to help the lowest income seniors, as well.”

“Ladies and Gentlemen, the Bill is on the Order of Standard Debate. Two people have spoken for the Bill. The Chair recognizes Mr. Black.”

“The Sponsor yields."

“Three.”

“Yes, Sir. Yes, Sir.”

“Yes, I’m older and wiser now, Representative.”

“Ladies and Gentlemen, the Bill is on the Order of Standard Debate. We have already had three people speak for the Bill. We are finished with proponents. 09300042.doc 18  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003 Representative Mulligan, you are seeking recognition. Could you state your purpose?”

“So, you stand in response?”

“Yes, did you wish to address questions to Mr. Franks?”

“Mr. Franks yields.”

“The Sponsor yields.”

“I’m sorry, I can’t hear you. I don’t know…”

“I’m told by staff, yes.” 09300042.doc 19  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003

“And what’s good about this Bill, as well, if you’re a senior going to Florida for the winter, you can do this… you can order it from here and they can do it by mail order, which would even save them more money and they can send it down to their address.”

“Yes, that’s correct.”

“What… this isn’t any part of Medicaid.”

“This has nothing to do with Medicaid.”

“Right.”

“Well, whatever you spend on those drugs will count for your Medicaid spend down. Now, that you’re asking about the $25 card, I don’t think it will.”

“Sure, yeah.”

“It would be up to Medicaid, I believe.”

“It’s a identical.”

“This… this is the language. This is the Bill. This is the Bill that’s gonna get to the Governor.”

“It’s not a question of pride, we’re all working together to get this done. We don’t care whose Bill passes.”

“They’re identical.”

“The question is, ‘Shall this Bill pass?’ Those in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; those opposed by voting ‘no’. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question, there are 118 Members voting for the Bill, 0 voting against the Bill. This Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Mr. Meyer. House Bill 305. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Mr. Meyer.”

“The Gentleman moves for the passage of the Bill. There being no discussion, the question is, ‘Shall this Bill pass?’ Those in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; those opposed by voting ‘no’. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question, there are 118 people voting ‘yes’, 0 voting ‘no’. This Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Kelly, do you wish to call 1415? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 1415 amends the Juvenile Court Act. It 09300042.doc 23  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003 provides that when a minor is held in detention solely for the reason of truancy, that they are kept separate from other minors who have committed serious offenses considered to be felon. In addition, they should be assigned school work as determined by the facility director. Thank you.”

“The Lady has moved for the passage of the Bill. There being no discussion, the question is, ‘Shall this Bill pass?’ Those in favor… Representative Lindner.”

“The Sponsor yields.”

“No, that is not.”

“It’s when a minor is solely truant and when they are sent to detention, we are asking that they are segregated from the other populations who have committed more serious offenses. Because these are minors that are sent… have just not that I’m excusing that, but they’re just not going to school. And we don’t feel that they should be mixed in with the other youths that have committed more serious offenses.”

“No, they can, right, mix in in the actual facility.”

“Yes.”

“Ladies and Gentlemen, this Bill is on the Order of Standard Debate. We have had one person for the Bill, one person in response. The Chair recognizes Mr. Black.”

“The Sponsor yields.” Black: “Representative, I have received a great deal of correspondence about this Bill, particularly from those involved in the field of education. The regional superintendent of schools in my district have called and sent various letters, school administrators, teachers. I’m not sure that their opposition has been removed by the Amendments. Quite frankly, I’ve not heard from them. Is it… is it in your… in your best estimation, are they still opposed to the Bill as amended?”

“No, I was told that they were not opposed. I received a lot of those letters and they were concerned about us taking the court out of the truancy program. And we have amended the Bill so it does not do that. They still will have to go to a judge, that would be necessary.”

“No, they are not opposed.”

“We’ve made phone calls.”

“Yes.”

“I’ve had many meetings with the school board or many telephone conversations and I agree with what you’re saying. So that’s why we amended the Bill, so the court is still involved. We hope that the minors that do miss school, that they are put through a series of programs and then just don’t go to court as the first option. But if 09300042.doc 26  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003 they still do not go to school, yes, they still can go to court…”

“…and they still can be sent to detention.”

“Yes, Sir.”

“You’re welcome.”

“Ladies and Gentlemen, the Bill is on the Order of Standard Debate. We have had one for the Bill, two in response. The Chair recognizes Mr. Forby.”

“Will the Sponsor yield?"

“The Sponsor yields.”

“Are you telling me now that if there’s a problem in the school they can take the kid back to court?”

“Yes.”

“Uh…”

“Originally, the courts were taken out of the process. But the courts are now back in the process, so the judge is involved.”

“Okay, you answered my question. Thank you.”

“Ladies and Gentlemen, the Bill is on the Order of Standard Debate. We have had one for the Bill, 09300042.doc 27  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003 three in response. We shall have no more in response. Mr. Mitchell.” Mitchell, J.: “Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Rep… will the Sponsor yield?"

“The Sponsor yields." Mitchell, J.: “Representative Kelly, I just… I stand in… in strong support of your Bill at this time. And I appreciate the fact that you and Representative Eddy both sat down and listened to the concerns of the regional office of education in my area. And I know that you went to great lengths to hold this Bill and get it amended so that you can work with the programs that are out there now. We have many alternative education programs that would have been impacted by the original Bill. When that was brought to your attention you sat down and worked out this compromise that is fully accepted by the… at least by the regional office of education folks that were down here. My regional office of education has called me and… and thanked me and said to thank you and Representative Eddy. Judge Thomas Payne also, who was a juvenile judge in our courts in Lee County, really appreciates the facts that now the court will still have the discretion to put students in alternative education programs or at least get alternative education to those students without having either incarcerated or just put back in the schools without any further action by the regional office. So, Mr. Speaker, to the Bill. I do believe that… that this Amendment takes care of most of the objections in the regional office of 09300042.doc 28  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003 education. And I think it’s a real fine Bill that… that does not harm but only will help in the instance of students… youngsters going to court or not going to court. I’m in full support, thank you.”

“Ladies and Gentlemen, we have now had two people for the Bill, three in response. There’ll be one more for the Bill and then we’ll go to Roll Call. Mr. Eddy.”

“The question is, ‘Shall this Bill pass?’ Those in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; those opposed by voting ‘no’. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question, there are 107 people voting ‘yes’, 7 people voting ‘no’. This Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Ryg, did you wish to call 3061? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Representative Ryg.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 3061 is in regards to context sensitive design, which is a collaborative interdisciplinary approach to transportation planning that involves all stakeholders to promote travel choice and respect the existing built-in natural environment. House Bill 3061 is amended and supported by the Governor’s Office and the Illinois Department of Transportation. Provides that IDOT shall embrace the principles of context sensitive design and its policies and procedures for planning, design, and construction of its transportation facilities and promote early and ongoing collaboration with affected citizens, elected officials, and interest groups to ensure the values and needs of affected communities are identified and considered. This effort should promote innovative solutions and balance safety, mobility, community, and environmental objectives in transportation planning. The 09300042.doc 30  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003 Bill requires IDOT to report on its implementation efforts to the Governor and General Assembly no later than April 1, 2004. I’d appreciate your support.”

“The Lady moves for the passage of the Bill. The Chair recognizes Mr. Black.”

“Mr. Bost.”

Speaker Hartke: “The question is, ‘Shall this Bill pass?’ Those in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; those opposed by voting ‘no’. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question, there are 77 people voting ‘yes’, 39 people voting ‘no’. This Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is 09300042.doc 33  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003 hereby declared passed. Mr. Burke, would you like to call House Bill 2221? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Mr. Burke.”

“Thank you, Speaker, and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Amendment #1, which became the Bill, would codify the Executive Order of the Governor, issued on March 7, which established collective bargaining rights for approximately 20 thousand personal care attendants and personal assistants. These employees provide home care to severely disabled and severely ill persons under the age of 60. And the state has previously recognized Service Employees International, SEIU, Local 880 as their union representative. And I’d ask for the Body’s favorable consideration. Be happy to answer any questions.”

“Mr. Clerk. Mr. Clerk, is there an Amendment to this Bill?”

“Floor Amendment #2, Mr. Clerk. Would that Amendment Shell the Bill? Mr. O’Brien, Amendment #2. To the Bill. Does it shell the Bill? Mr. Burke.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Amendment #2 would, in fact, shell the Bill. And there is no language here. And I’d ask for the Body’s favorable consideration.” 09300042.doc 34  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003

“So, the Chair would advise the Members, this is a shell Bill. Representative Mulligan, do you seek recognition?”

“The Sponsor yields on the shell Bill.”

“Continued negotiations with all affected parties.”

“Well, first and foremost, the members of the Local 880, those that actually participate in assisting these disabled individuals and home health care workers and those parties that are representing their interests, seeking this initiative.”

“Pardon me?”

“No, there is a couple of unions involved, actually.”

“The question is, ‘Shall this Bill pass?’ Those in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; those opposed by voting ‘no’. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question, there are 75 people voting ‘yes’, 43 voting ‘no’. This Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. For what purpose does Mr. Sullivan seek recognition?”

“The record will reflect your statement, Mr. Sullivan. Thank you. Representative Bailey, do you wish 09300042.doc 36  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003 to call House Bill 3486? Mr. Clerk, what is the status of the Bill?”

“Representative Bailey on the Amendment.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Amendment 2 to House Bill 3486 provides a new Act that shall be applicable to employers with at least 50 employees instead of the 25 employees that was agreed upon.”

Speaker Madigan: “The Lady moves for the adoption of the Amendment. Those in favor say ‘aye’; those opposed… Mr. Lang. The question is, ‘Shall the Amendment be adopted?’ Those in favor say ‘aye’; those opposed say ‘no’. The ‘ayes’ have it. The Amendment is adopted. Are there any further Amendments?”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Representative Bailey.”

“House Bill 3486 creates the first Domestic Violence Leave Act for the State of Illinois. With employees allowing their em… with employers allowing their employees to take leave with provided documentation. I ask for an ‘aye’ vote.” 09300042.doc 37  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003

“Mr. Black.”

“The question is, ‘Shall this Bill pass?’ Those in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; those opposed by voting ‘no’. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question, there are 118 people voting ‘yes’, 0 voting ‘no’. This Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Mr. Brosnahan, do you wish to call 1451? 1451? Mr. Brosnahan. Turn on Mr. Brosnahan. If you choose not to call 1451, we don’t plan to return to the Bill.”

“I understand, Sir. That… that Bill’s not gonna be moving forward.”

“Okay. And then you have another Bill.”

“I would like to move House Bill 2215.”

“2215. Mr. Clerk, what is the status of that Bill?” 09300042.doc 38  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003

“Mr. Brosnahan.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 2215 is a piece of legislation that I’ve worked on with the Illinois Coalition Against Sexual Assault. It is a very important piece of legislation. What this Bill does is fairly simple, under current law, right now, the statute of limitations for civil an… for a civil action for damages for personal injury based on childhood sexual abuse must be commenced within two years, or within two years of the date of the person abused discovers or through the use of reasonable diligence should discover that the act of childhood sexual abuse occurred, and that the injury was caused by the childhood sexual abuse. In Illinois, the statute of limitations does not begin to run until the age of 18. What we are doing under this legislation is extending that statute to… to make it ten years from the age of 18 or within five years from the date of discovery. I’ve worked on this legislation for a long period of time. I do want to compliment the… the committee which helped me with this legislation. I think it’s the… a very important piece of legislation, will go a long way towards improving the rights of victims. And I’d be happy to answer any questions.”

“Mr. Rose.”

“The Sponsor yields." 09300042.doc 39  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003

“I’ve worked on this legislation with the Illinois Coalition Against Sexual Assault. I’ve also been in contact with the Illinois Trial Lawyers Association, as well as… I’ve also spoken with some representatives of the Cook County State’s Attorneys Office on this piece of legislation.”

“In committee, I believe the Catholic Conference. Although they did not testify, I believe they filled out an opposition slip. The Illinois State Bar Association has expressed some concerns, I have worked on them. This Amendment #3 is actually in response to some of their concerns. I’m not going to stand here and tell you they are in support of the legislation, but I believe they are still opposed to it but I… I know that they are more comfortable with it now the way it’s drafted with Amendment #3.”

“Sure. Well, Amendment #3, actually, it becomes the Bill. And what it does, Chapin, is it extends the statute of limitations right now from… right now it’s two years, it extends it to ten years. Now, that statute of limitations does not begin to run until the age of 18, so they’ll have a cause of action until the age of 28. There’s a second part of this Bill and that applies to delayed discovery. 09300042.doc 40  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003 And right now, under this Bill, we are giving those victims five years to file a civil cause of action for damages based on childhood sexual abuse, five years from the date that they discovered that their abuse and that the injuries were related to the abuse.”

“Sure. I think the nature of the Bar Association’s objection is for statute of limitations. I think they wanted us to set some… a statute of repose. They wanted us to have a finite date when these actions would run out, where they couldn’t file them later on. And I don’t agree with that. I think cases involving childhood sexual abuse… we’re not talking about a slip and fall case, we’re not talking about a simple automobile accident. There’s reasons why we have delayed discovery in Illinois, and we’ve always had it. We’ve had common law delayed discovery, and that was codified, I believe, in 1991. And the reason that we have delayed discovery is because the… the nature of the act of childhood sexual abuse is so unique. We’re dealing with sometimes with repressed memories. Sometimes we’re dealing with latent discovery. We’re… sometimes we’re dealing with situations where an individual may remember the events of the sexual abuse. They may remember the specific acts, but because they’re so unique these individuals may be in their thirties or their forties, they may be experiencing some psychological 09300042.doc 41  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003 problems. Maybe it’s depression, anxiety. Maybe it’s alcoholism. It could be suicide attempts. And they don’t make the causal connection until much later in life that those injuries that they’re experiencing as adults were actually caused by the… the trauma of the childhood sexual abuse.”

“Mr. Rose. Mr. Rose, did you indicate that you’re in support of this Bill?”

“Thank you. Ladies and Gentlemen, the Bill is on the Order of Standard Debate. We’ve had two for the 09300042.doc 42  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003 Bill. There shall be only one more for the Bill. Mr. Molaro. Mr. Molaro.”

“Yes I… I stand….”

“Mr. Molaro.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker.”

“We’re all waiting patiently, Mr. Molaro.”

“Thank you. I didn’t know you were gonna call on me. I… I’ve never understood this but I understand part of it. But I gotta ask you just specifically on the Bill. So someone turns 18 years of age and you have two years from that, currently? Is that the current law?”

“That’s correct.”

“Okay. And now we’re gonna give it ten years?”

“That’s correct, but that’s not dealing with delayed discovery. Right now…”

“Right, I understand that.”

“Okay.”

“That’s just the statute of limitations.”

“Exactly.”

“Right.”

“It’s two years, currently. We’re gonna make it ten years right now. And that statute does not begin to run until the age of 18.”

“And I guess the problems I’ve always had with these Bills, and I’ve voted against these before so it’s certainly not the Sponsor. I… I really don’t understand when we put these together and we did two years… and most the time when you have statute of limitations it’s mainly 09300042.doc 43  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003 because if you’re gonna accuse somebody three, four, five, six years after the event and you come up to them and say, ‘You’re accused of this crime. We want to know what you were doing on June 7, 1994’, it almost makes it impossible to defend yourself because if you had witnesses, if you had calendars, they’re all gone. So I guess I’ve always asked Sponsors, if it was two years why do we go to ten? Why not five, six, eight, nine, ten, twelve, fourteen, or get rid of it all together? Where does the magic number ten come from?”

“Now, Representative, just so I can be clear. You’re talking about criminal actions, this Bill only deals with the civil statute of limitations.”

“Well, the same thing to civil, right?”

“And the criminal statute of limitations, I believe, was changed in 1990, when it comes to childhood sexual abuse, and that was extended to ten years. So, we are keeping this, in a way, consistent with the… the criminal statute of limitations that we just lengthened, ya know, a few short years ago. But I believe that the reason why this is definitely proper in this situation is for the reasons that I stated to Representative Rose. Childhood sexual abuse, these cases are very, very unique. And the individuals, many times, although they may recall the… the acts of abuse, they will not know until much later in life…”

“Can I….” 09300042.doc 44  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003

“…that the injuries that they’re suffering… so, that’s why I think it’s… that’s why we’re extending the statute of limitations.”

“And I got that. The last one is, now they, according to the statute… and the statute’s been in place… this particular statute, where it talks about two years of the date the person abused discovers, or through the use of feasible diligence discovers.”

“Okay.”

“Now, someone discovers it, now it’s the two-year statute. We’re not talking about the discovery part, that I got.”

“Okay.”

“Why are we going from two years to five years after someone learns about it? Why shouldn’t they be held to the same statute of limitations that everybody else knows about that once you discover… in other words, we’re not talking about the discovery about the what could happen seven years psychology down the road. We’re just talking about the statute of limitations, why change that from two to five?”

“Well, we just think a longer period’s more appropriate because even though these individuals… so many times they go through extended periods of counseling and therapy sessions seeing psychiatrists and it may take them a longer amount of time. Again, I don’t want to repeat myself but…”

“No, but…”

“…it’s not a typical case. That’s why…” 09300042.doc 45  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003

“But I’m talking about after their… they go to a psychiat… let’s say it takes 20 years, I don’t care how long about that. Now they have it, yes, on this date at this time this person did this to me. It’s not where they… it takes years to figure it out. Once they know about it and once everybody, the psychologist and them know about it, why would we give them five years after… why wouldn’t they have two years like everybody else?”

“Well, we want to give these victims… we want to actually help more of them out. I mean, some states have gone so far as to eliminate the civil statute of limitations. The State of Maine, there’s not even a statute of limitations. So I think it’s proper to extend it. And five years, originally it was ten years, now we… we’ve changed it down to five to accommodate some of the opposition.”

“Ladies and Gentlemen, we’ve had two people for the Bill, one in response. The Chair recognizes Mr. Mathias. Mr. Mathias.”

“The Sponsor yields.”

“And, Sid… and I appreciate those questions and I know you worked with me on this legislation. The language that we put in this Bill was taken from the 1990 Amendatory Act. I had a chance after committee yesterday to look at some case law and you are… we were wondering what the status of law was in Illinois. And it is certainly not my intention to revive actions where the statute has already lapsed. And under Illinois law, the barring of an action by the statute of limitations creates a vested right in favor of the defendant and that action cannot later be revived. And I do have a couple of case cites if you want some light reading, if you want to take a look at those cases. But… so that is the present law in Illinois, that you can’t… if the action’s already lapsed… and that is not my intention to revive those actions that already lapsed.”

“Sure.”

“That is correct.”

“Thank you.”

“Ladies and Gentlemen, we’ve had two for, two in response. The Chair recognizes Mr. Parke.” 09300042.doc 47  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003

“The Sponsor yields."

“Representative Parke, under present law, individuals have that same right today to sue a church, whether it was a member of the clergy, an employee of the church, whether it happened 30 years or 40 years ago. The law today… those individ… those churches, those congregations can be sued today. We… we are not changing that. We’re just dealing lengthening the statute of limitations. But right now, I’m not creating a new cause of action against churches or, you know, members of the clergy. Those exist today.”

“No, it extends the statute of limitations. It doesn’t extend liability, as far as I’m concerned. No. They… they are subject to those same lawsuits today. And again, just… just to be clear, we are not creating this delayed discovery. This document isn’t something new. It’s been in common law, it’s been codified in 1991. We are just making it clear, under this statute, that when somebody may know about the abuse, they may not make that causal connection until later in life with the injuries. So we’re just saying that just that when you know about the abuse itself, that doesn’t necessarily mean that the statute should start to run.”

“Am I removing the statute of limitations? No. And… and again…”

“…as I repeated to Representative Molaro, some states have gone that far to remove the statute of limitations when it comes to childhood sexual abuse cases in civil actions.”

“We have not done that, we…”

“Well, I really can’t answer that question. When you say… you have to look at each individual case. I’m not sure when you say, ‘extending the liability’. What I… what this Bill does it… it simply extends the civil statute of limitations for actions based on childhood sexual abuse. But… and if a church knew about the abuse 40 years ago, they assisted in it, or they covered it up, those churches should be held accountable.”

“I’m not gonna say that churches shouldn’t be sued. In many cases they should be sued and they should be held accountable for their actions.”

“And that would be up to… if a lawsuit’s filed, that would be up to the trier of fact, whether it’s a jury or whether it’s a judge, to determine their liability. But I can’t make any kind of a… a statement here on the floor about legislative intent to regards to liability of the churches. That’s something for a… a trier of fact to decide.”

“I’m not sure if I misunderstood the question but this legislation has nothing to do with background checks 09300042.doc 50  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003 or criminal background checks on employees of the churches. That’s not included in the legislation whatsoever.”

“Thank you.”

Speaker Madigan: “The question is, ‘Shall this Bill pass?’ Those in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; those opposed by voting ‘no’. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question, there are 87 people voting ‘yes’, 26 people voting ‘no’. This Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Mr. Clerk, what is the status of House Bill 1553?”

“Representative Currie.”

“Thank you, Speaker and Members of the House. This is a shell Bill for purposes of the Drycleaners Environmental Response Trust Fund Act, should there be any decision that we need to make changes in that current program. I would appreciate your support.”

“Representative Currie, the Clerk advises that the Bill is on the Order of Second Reading. Mr. Clerk, has the Bill been read a second time?”

“Put the Bill on the Order of Third Reading and read the Bill for a third time.” 09300042.doc 51  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003

“Representative Currie has explained that this is a shell Bill. Those in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; those opposed by voting ‘no’. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question, there are 61 people voting ‘yes’, 57 people voting ‘no’. This Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Mr. Parke, you wish to call House Bill 3679? Mr. Clerk, what is the status of the Bill? 3679.”

“Mr. Parke on the Amendment.”

“The Gentleman moves for the adoption of the Amendment. The Chair recognizes Mr. Lang.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

“The Sponsor yields."

“Mr. Parke, the portion of the Bill you explained you explained very well. But there’s one other change in the Bill that I find curious. On page 2 of Amendment 2, line 12, you’ve taken out the word ‘increase’ so… a… the language used to say, ‘the foregoing limitations upon tax rates may be increased or decreased under the referendum 09300042.doc 53  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003 provisions’. Now it just simply says, ‘the foregoing limitations upon tax rates may be decreased.’ Are you now forbidding an increase?”

“All right, so the park district can increase and we can decrease?”

“And so you… what you’re doing is clarifying the language with that change?”

“So….”

“All right. Well, all right. I think you cleared that up. Thank you.”

“Representative Hartke in the Chair. Is there any more discussion on Floor Amendment #2? Seeing that no one is seeking recognition, the question is, ‘Shall the House adopt Floor Amendment #2 to House Bill 3679?’ All those in favor signify by saying ‘aye’; opposed ‘no’. In 09300042.doc 54  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003 the opinion of the Chair, the ‘ayes’ have it. And the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Mr. Parke.”

“The Chair recognizes Representative Franks.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

“The Sponsor will yield."

“Representative Parke, I’m just… I’m still confused on one thing. I’m reading the analysis and our analysis indicates that for park districts the only way you can decrease the tax rate is by… is by a referendum. Is that true?”

“That’s… that’s the only thing… I know, that’s what worries me. That’s the only reason that would hold me back from voting against this Bill. ‘Cause if we can’t lower tax rates, except by a referendum, I think we’re taking…”

“I’m sure it isn’t.”

“I know you would be, as would I, but our analysis indicates otherwise.”

“Under the code?”

“Okay, good. I wanted to make sure that we’re able to reduce those taxes. Thank you.”

“Further discussion? Since no one is seeking recognition, Representative Parke moves the adoption of House Bill 36… House Bill 3679. All those in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; those opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Representative Lindner. Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 118 Members voting ‘yes’, 0 voting ‘no’, and 0 voting ‘present’. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Mr. Boland, are you ready on House Bill 3113? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill?”

“Representative Boland.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Assembly. This is a State Board of Elections Bill. It amends the Election Code to clarify that local election authorities converting voter registration records from 09300042.doc 56  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003 paper to computer may supply a copy in whole or in part of that electronic record to the State Board of Elections. The State Board of Elections is going to have a… going to have created a statewide computer-based voter registration file in a standard uniform format by the late summer 2003. And I’m… I believe this also ties in with the requirement from the Federal Help America Vote Act. Would appreciate an ‘aye’ vote.”

“Is there any discussion on House Bill 3113? Seeing no one is seeking recognition, the question is, ‘Shall the House pass House Bill 3113?’ All in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; those opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 118 Members voting ‘yes’, 0 voting ‘no’, and 0 voting ‘present’. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On Second Reading appears House Bill 3429. Mr. Dunkin. Mr. Dunkin. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Representative Dunkin.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. Yeah, this Bill is an environmental Bill and it is… it provides that if an insurance policyholder… that they may be liable to the state and/or a unit of local government for the cost of the removal and remedial action relating to hazardous wastes or pesticides under the Act, or under any other law or ordinance establishing liability for the environmental cleanup costs. The state and the local unit of government may bring a cause of action against that particular policyholder’s insurer for those costs.”

“Is there any discussion? The Chair recognizes Representative Parke.”

“The Chair recognizes Representative Dunkin.”

“Representative, as you know… and I’ve been working with you, along with the other parties, on this matter for over three and a half weeks. Over three and half weeks I’ve been working with both parties to rectify this situation, and quite frankly, the reason that I’ve been coming and talking with you for such a long time was because the parties haven’t been able to agree on anything. And the other party… one party actually reneged or went back on what we agreed on in committee. So I did not go back… I did not go back on my word, as you know. But you also know that over three and a half weeks they’ve been changing the dynamics of the discussion as it relates to this particular environmental cleanup. The Bill is basic… this is a shell Bill, basically. So we have time for the… for the additionally changes whenever they do agree on it. But they have to stick with their original terms of what we 09300042.doc 59  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003 agreed on in committee, where I gave my word to you, where I gave my word to the committee as well. But they cannot… they cannot change the dynamics or what we agreed on at the last minute. This is a shell Bill. And I need this Bill so we can continue to discuss, as we have agreed on, as I agreed in and committed to, in committee… and you know, we have a meeting set up for next week as well. So, I did not go back on my word. The parties are just changing… changing what they agreed on and what we agreed on in committee, as you well know.”

“Mr. Parke, he has responded.”

“Further discussion? Seeing no one is seeking recognition, Representative Dunkin to close. Mr. Dunkin.”

“Mr. Representative, I have not gone back on my word, as you well know. Now, I could raise my voice with the best of them in… up in here in this Body. I’ve been trying to work with you along with the insurance industry and the City of Chicago on this. If the insurance company is changing their agreed… the agreed Amendment that we talked about at the last minute, as you well know, what am I supposed to do? The original intent of this Bill is merely to clean up brownfields, toxic waste. There’s no Bill that’s gonna be appropriate for an insurance industry to be sued, of course. So, that’s not true, and you know that. And you know that we’ve been trying to negotiate this through and through, Representative. I’ve been trying to work with them, I’ve been trying to work with you. And they’re hemmin’ and hawin’ with no substance on it. And so we did not add an Amendment on it. The Bill is in its original form. And as I inform… informed and promised you, that we’ll try to work this thing out next week, next Wednesday, where there is a meeting scheduled, where I’ll attend and we’ll hold it in the Senate until then. Did we not agree on that, you and myself?”

“Mr. Parke, you have already spoken in debate and Mr. Dunkin has closed.” 09300042.doc 61  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003

“He was in… he was closing. The question is, ‘Shall the House pass House Bill 3429?’ Mr. Dunkin.”

“Can you take it out of Roll Call, please? Out of the record, excuse me.”

“Take this Bill out of the record. Mr. Hannig. House Bill 1459. Mr. Hannig. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Representative Hannig.”

“Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. This Bill is a shell Bill, it was shelled by the House Amendment. And it deals with the Illinois Development Finance Authority Act. We hope we have more clarity after Wednesday when the Governor gives his budget address as to where he wants to go with… with some of these agencies. And so we’ve shelled the Bill, we’d like to send it to the Senate. And again, now, we’ll work with the Governor and with both sides of the aisle to… to get an agreement. So that’s all it does at this time. I’d ask for your ‘yes’ vote.”

“Is there any discussion? Seeing that no one is seeking recognition, the question is, ‘Shall the House pass House Bill 1459?’ All those in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; those opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 62 Members 09300042.doc 62  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003 voting ‘yes’, 54 Members voting ‘no’, and 1 Member voting ‘present’. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Mr. Holbrook in the chamber. Mr. Morrow in the chamber. On page 22 on the Calendar, on the Order of Third Reading, appears House Bill 2459. Representative Morrow. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Representative Morrow.”

“Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This Bill has been around several times. About the only really change that I… that I did on this Bill was when we adopted Amendment #1 we took out the language from counties dealing with more than a hundred and ten thousand. But pretty much the Bill has… has remained the same as it was last year’s House Bill 644, which passed the House with 106… 109 votes. I will be glad to answer any questions, though.”

“Is there any discussion on House Bill 2459? Seeing that no one is seeking recognition, the question is, ‘Shall the House pass House Bill 2459?’ All those in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; those opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 95 Members voting ‘yes’, 8 Members voting ‘no’, 15 Members voting ‘present’. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, 09300042.doc 63  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003 is hereby declared passed. On Third Reading appears House Bill 1256. Representative Giles. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Representative Giles.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Twelve-fifty-six is simply a shell Bill that we’re gonna… that I hope that we can send it over to the Senate to continue the dialog to work on a real solution as far as the waivers requests from the various school districts. We… we’re truly trying to make sure that… that both chambers will have fu… some participation in that process. What we simply want to do is just send this over and continue the dialog. And hopefully, over the summer we will have some hearings that will… all parties that has interest in this process will come together and try to come up with some real solutions to be able to address this problem so that everyone in this chamber can understand the waiver process and to make sure that each school district requests are… are heard and are granted or not granted.”

“Is there any discussion? The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Parke.”

“Yes, Representative. We… I chose not to adopt Amendment #2 in committee yesterday for the simple fact that I want all parties to… to work on this issue. Number 09300042.doc 64  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003 one simply shells the Bill and that’s all we’re sending over.”

“Further discussion? The Chair recognizes Mr. Mitchell. Jerry Mitchell.” Mitchell, J.: “Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This… this has been kind of a thorn in our side for several years. It seems as though the Senate always brings the Bill to us and we have no choices other than to vote it up or down, even though we’re lobbied strongly by various school districts and various organizations for or against certain waivers. There really is only one vote for us and it’s a confusing vote anyway. I certainly stand in strong support of… of the Representative’s recommendation to continue talks over the summer on this issue. Both of the education associations have said that they truly believe that waivers are a part of the landscape. And they’re not… there’s… there’s no intent to do away with the waiver process. But we do want to try to make it a little easier to understand and have a little more participation by the House. I stand in support of the Gentleman’s Motion. Thank you.”

“Further discussion? Since no one is seeking recognition, the question is, ‘Shall the House pass House Bill 1256?’ All those in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; those opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, 09300042.doc 65  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003 there are 83 Members voting ‘yes’, 35 Members voting ‘no’, 0 voting ‘present’. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On page 2 on the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading, appears House Bill 9. Out of the record. On page 22 on the Calendar, on the Order of Third Reading, appears House Bill 2480. Representative Flowers. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Representative Flowers.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 2480 puts into law the current practice that allow the community health providers to count the total cost of mental health services paid out of a state grant fund toward a Medicaid patient’s spend down obligation, not just the… the usual small amount of two to ten dollars made by the patients on a sliding scale. This practice has allowed Illinois to obtain federal Medicaid match to reimburse the state for services it would otherwise have to pay on its own. Both the Department of Public Aid and the Department of Human Services have made it clear in training seminars and the memorandums and policy manuals that update this practice that it’s required by this Bill to be approved. In addition, the officials of both agencies have provided sworn testimony that, to the effect of this litigation, this practice is consistent with the federal Medicaid policy. And I’ll be more than happy 09300042.doc 66  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003 to answer any questions you have in regards to House Bill 2480.”

“Is there any discussion on House Bill 2480? Seeing that no one is seeking recognition, the question is, ‘Shall the House pass House Bill 2480?’ All in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; those opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 118 Members voting ‘yes’, 0 voting ‘no’, and 0 voting ‘present’. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On page 19 on the Calendar, on the Order of Third Reading, appears House Bill 235. Mr. Franks. Mr. Franks. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Representative Franks.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This is a Bill we talked about on the House Floor yesterday, which we had added the Amendment. And I want to thank the Speaker for allowing us to have a subject matter hearing last night, which went for about an hour and forty-five minutes, which we found very enlightening. And I think a lot of us learned a lot. And what we found is that there was still a few problems with the Bill, admittedly. And I walked over and spoke with Senator Clayborne, just a few minutes ago, who will be the Senate Sponsor. He’s agreed to hold this until the parties get together and add an Amendment. The IMA had a couple of 09300042.doc 67  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003 issues that they wanted changed and we agreed to those changes yesterday in committee. Unfortunately, we’ve not been granted the extended deadline so we need to pass this and move it through. But we will… we do believe we’ll be able to get an agreement with the IMA. I’d be glad to answer any questions.”

“Is there any discussion? The Chair recognizes Mr. Watson.”

“The Sponsor will yield."

“Sure.”

“Further discussion? Representative Franks to close.”

“Thank you. And I appreciate working with you on this Bill and many of the Members on the other side of the 09300042.doc 68  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003 aisle, as well as those on my… on our side of the aisle. Ladies and Gentlemen, it breaks down to this. It’s time to do what’s right for the working men and women of Illinois and for all the taxpayers. The financial strengths of our economy and of our citizens deals with knowing that we can count on deals that are made. This Bill has been torturously negotiated and we believe we have an agreement. We would just had a few points that, but unfortunately, we didn’t have time to work out because of the deadline, but we have agreed to those changes. Senator Clayborne has said he will hold this until those changes are made in the Senate. I’d ask for an ‘aye’ vote here. And this Bill will establish the minimum standards in the application and monitoring of agreements. It will require public disclosure of economic development assistance spending. And it require… and it will also allow for recapture of the state taxpayer money if… if the company doesn’t live up to the agreements. Very importantly, DCCA is in support of this Bill. They wouldn’t do anything to hurt the economic climate in this state. It’s a safe Bill, it’s a good Bill. And I’d ask everyone to vote ‘yes’.”

“The question is, ‘Shall the House pass House Bill 235?’ All those in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; those opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 62 Members voting ‘yes’, 40 Members voting ‘no’, 16 Members voting ‘present’. 09300042.doc 69  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003 And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On page 3 on the Calendar appears House Bill 2840. Mr… 2840. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Representative Holbrook.”

“Thank you, Speaker. House Bill 2840 is a trailer Bill, the last year’s Senate Bill 2164. It addresses some concerns that were raised by the motor coach organization of the State of Illinois and with the Federal Motor Safety Carrier Administration that we seemed that we may be in violation of the way we passed the law. I know of no opposition to this Bill. I’d ask for a favorable vote.”

Speaker Hartke: “Is there any discussion? Cha… the Chair recognizes Representative Jerry Mitchell.” Mitchell, J.: “Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I’ve had several calls on this particular portion… in my portion of this Bill from local private coach carriers that were concerned that even though they went through background checks and all of the different rules and regulations to be able to drive, we had passed legislation that actually duplicated all the things that they went through. What Representative Holbrook’s done is take all of those concerns, put them together in one Bill, so that we will have one process for drivers to go through that allows them to do a multitude of things but they don’t have to go through the same cost and the same requirements 09300042.doc 70  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003 for each of those individual entities. I think it’s a fine Bill and I stand in strong support. Thank you.”

“Further discussion? Since no one is seeking recognition, the question is, ‘Shall the House pass House Bill 2840?’ All those in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; those opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Fritchey. Mr. Parke. Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 118 Members voting ‘yes’, 0 voting ‘no’, 0 voting ‘present’. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. The Chair recognizes Representative Currie for a Motion.”

“Thank you, Speaker. I wish to withdraw the Motion to reconsider the vote on House Bill 3468.”

“You’ve heard the Lady’s Motion. All those in favor say ‘aye’; opposed ‘no’. In the opinion of the Chair, the ‘ayes’ have it. And the Motion is withdrawn. On page 4 on the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading, appears House Bill 1102. Mr. Daniels. Mr. Daniels, you want to take that Bill out of the record? You don’t want to call it? Out of the record. On page 18 on the Calendar appears House Bill 132. Mr. Capparelli. Out of the record. He wants to take the Bill out of the record. On Page 24 on the Calendar, on the Order of Third Reading, appears House Bill 3047. Mr. Hannig. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.” 09300042.doc 71  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003

“Representative Hannig.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. The underlying Bill dealt with the number of physician assistants that could work under any given physician. It was… there was some controversy between the Illinois State Medical Society and those who represent the physician assistants. Representative Saviano’s been very helpful in trying to put together a compromise on the issue. We’re very near what, I believe, is a compromise. The language is going back and forth between the two… two groups. So what we have here is another shell Bill that I’d like to send over to the Senate for the purposes of allowing us to continue the discussion on what I think will be an agreed Bill. So, I’d ask again for your indulgence in sending this Bill to the Senate. Be happy to answer any questions.”

“Is there any discussion on House Bill 3047? Seeing none, the question is, ‘Shall the House pass House Bill 3047?’ All those in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; those opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk. Mr. Fritchey. Mr. Dunkin. Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 71 Members voting ‘yes’, 47 Members voting ‘no’, and 1 Member voting ‘present’. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby 09300042.doc 72  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003 declared passed. On page 23 on the Calendar, on the Order of Third Reading, appears House Bill 2552. Representative Kelly. Representative Kelly, 2552. Mr. Clerk. Out of the record. He wants to take the Bill out of the record. Yes. House Bill 2866. Representative Reitz. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Representative Reitz.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. House Bill 2866 creates the Illinois Coal Mining and Electric Generation Act and there are two components of this Bill. One takes… makes it easier for them to use the bonding authority that we had in a Bill a couple years ago in a coal Bill that uses the sales tax from coal to repay those bonds. The second component creates another $300 million in bonding authority that are tax-exempt… they… tax-exempt and moral obligation bonds. The intent of this is to try and spur the coal industry back. We, ya know, we passed a Bill a couple years ago. Since then, we have seen the utility industry take a downturn with… with the problems of Enron and the entire utility industry. This is an initiative of the administration working to try and make sure that we bring all important construction and coal jobs back to Illinois. And I’d be happy to answer any questions.”

“Is there any discussion? Seeing that no one’s seeking recognition, the question is, ‘Shall the House pass House Bill 2866?’ All in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; 09300042.doc 73  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003 those opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk… The Minority Leader like to vote? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 114 Members voting ‘yes’, 0 voting ‘no’, and 3 Members voting ‘present’. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Phelps on House Bill 1518. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Representative Phelps.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 1518, as amended, this Bill would prevent units of local government from banning or restricting the ownership, possession, or sale of rifles and shotguns. The Bill does allow for units of local government to set zoning standards and for gun shops and to require certain security requirements such as burglar bars, alarm systems, and the storage of firearms when stored, is closed. This is a Bill that protects the sportsman and the hunter of this state. It does not say anything about handguns and does not take anything off the 1994 Crime Bill. If you have any questions, I’d be glad to answer ‘em.”

“Is there any discussion? Chair recognizes Representative Osterman.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?" 09300042.doc 74  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003

“The Sponsor will yield."

“First, before I go to the Sponsor, I’d like to ask a question to parliamentarian. Does this preempt Home Rule?”

“We will get into that in…”

“And how many votes… okay. Representative, you just said in your opening statement that this protects the rights of hunters and sportsmen. Do you want to elaborate on how that happens or how this Bill’s gonna affect that?”

“Representative, every… every couple of years we always go through about how many… how much time we’re for the sportsman and we’re for the hunter. All this does is protect rifles and shotguns only. It protects the sportsmen of this state.”

“Okay. Did law enforcement bring this to you? Were there any police chiefs, were there any mayors, were there any aldermen, city council members, township chairmen, that cut… came to you and said, you know, ‘we’ve got a problem with local laws, we’re getting confused. And we need some help from the state to try to rectify this.’ Specifically law enforcement, though ‘cause, I mean, many times if a local municipality is trying to protect its citizens through some of these laws, the police chiefs will be onboard. So, I mean, did… did any… did any law enforcement agencies come to you with this and do they support the Bill?”

“No, Representative, they did not come to me on this Bill. But they are, a lot of them that I have talked to, 09300042.doc 75  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003 support this Bill because they are avid sportsmen and hunters in this state.”

“So, no law enforcement is in support of this as an organization? Individual people that may support what you’re trying to do are in support, but police chiefs, state’s attorneys across the State of Illinois, they’re all against this Bill. Is that correct?”

“I’m not aware that they are against it but they did not bring… any organization brought this to me.”

“Okay. You specifically said that the issue is dealing with rifles and shotguns. And in your Bill, how is rifles and shotguns defined? ‘Cause I’m, again, as you know, from the City of Chicago. And I don’t mean to be facetious, but I think this is a very critical point for the Members of the Body. In your Bill rifles and shotguns is not defined, is that correct?”

“It’s a… no, it’s not defined. But it’s nothing that was banned in the 1994 Crime Bill… would… would legalize any of that that was banned in the ’94 Crime Bill.”

“Well, how come you did not define specifically what a rifle and a shotgun is? Because, I mean, many of us in this Body have a vision of what a… a rifle and a shotgun is. And I… I… if you’re out huntin’ with Joe Brunsvold or other people, I obviously have a vision of what you say is a rifle, but in your Bill it’s not specified. In a lot of other language in the law there are specific issues so how come it’s not specified?” 09300042.doc 76  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003

“It’s specified as hunting shotgun/hunting rifle that is not on the ’94 Crime Bill.”

“That’s in the Bill?”

“Hunting shotguns, hunting rifles only. We’re not talking about AK47, that is banned under the ’94 Crime Bill. We’re talking hunting… semiautomatic shotguns for purposes of deer, quail, goose, duck, you name it. Trucker.”

“When I looked at the legislation before I did not see that it was specified outside… outside of… it just says rifles or shotguns. I’m looking at the Bill on the… on the screen and… again, I don’t mean to be… to belabor this because, ya know, I know that you’re trying to protect the rights of hunters and sportsmen, but I’ve got this Janes Gun Recognition book here before me and there are a lot of semiautomatic weapons that are deemed rifles. So you… under here it says, ‘rifles and shotguns’ on line 28, 29, and 30, it does not say anything about the federal… federal semiautomatic ban. And let me go to why I ask that question. Again, those of you that live in large municipalities and talk to your police chiefs, there are a great deal of semiautomatic weapons that are taken off the streets, many semiautomatics that are used every day to commit violent crimes. There was an individual that was convicted last night in the City of Chicago for using an AK47 three years ago, shooting ‘em them in a neighborhood. And a young girl was killed, 12 years old, sleeping in her bed in her home. So there are municipalities within the 09300042.doc 77  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003 state that has semiautomatic bans. My fear with this… and I know that this is not the intent of the Sponsor, my fear in this is if this Bill, this law, if it were to take effect, would take away some of those protections in Cook County and other places in the City of Chicago on semiautomatic weapons. And your Bill… and I know this, again, is not the intent of the Sponsor. And I think a year or two ago this Bill was sponsored by someone else. The definition remains vague. So, again, I go to you, Representative. How come it is vague and, I mean, what is your intent to do about it?”

“On the Amendment, #2, and it says if it’s not exempt under Federal Law then it can’t be exempt under this law.”

“Okay. So, going to the Federal Law, we’ll talk about that then. There are… there are guns that were banned at a certain point in time under the Federal Law, semiautomatic weapons ban. Guns that were manufactured or in possession previous to that, if they are in circulation, those guns can be resold and, what you’re saying is, if they were in effect before the ban those guns would still be out there. So, those guns that are in circulation now, whether they be on the street or in someone’s home… cities that have semiautomatic weapons bans, if those guns are out there now your Bill says they cannot… this would preempt those bans. And those guns would still be able to be used, purchased, resold, which is what happens in the… a lot of situations, whether it’s at gun shops or other venues. Those guns would still be out there. And those law 09300042.doc 78  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003 enforcement agencies, those mayors, those people that see the effects of those guns everyday, they would not be able to enact legislation to protect themselves.”

“These are guns that… for the long guns for hunters and sportsmen that are rarely ever used in a crime… in what you’re speaking of, Representative.”

“Representative, I’m not arguing that point. And again, I’m not saying that someone’s gonna take a deer rifle and try to kill someone. That may happen, but you’re trying to protect. My point is, in your Bill… and again, I say that this is not your intent, but this is what the Bill says. The Bill covers other guns, semiautomatic rifles that are out there in circulation that are used in crimes. Under your Bill, that would be preempted. That’s not your intent but the way the Bill is written, rifles and shotguns is not defined. A street sweeper shotgun, Representative… and they call it a street sweeper not because they’re out hunting with it. It’s not called a… a prairie sweeper or a… a yard sweeper. It’s called a street sweeper, Representative. It’s got 12 bullets underneath them… in a magazine… it’s under the street sweeper… under the shotgun. Those guns are used by criminals. And that, under your Bill… and again, I go back to this because I respect what you’re trying to do to protect the hunters and the sportsmen in the State of Illinois. Under your Bill, that would be able to be preempted.”

“I… Representative, in all due respect, I disagree with your interpretation of this Bill. You’re wrong on that, it 09300042.doc 79  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003 is not a long gun. What you’re talking about with street sweepers is all banned under the ’94 Crime Bill and this Bill does not make those guns, firearms, legal.”

“But that’s not specified. Let me go to one other point ‘cause I know there are other people that probably want to talk to this Bill. Have there been situations in the State of Illinois, that you’re aware of, where sportsmen or hunters have been pulled over, their gun seized and them locked up for unlawful possession, unlawful use of a firearm, dealing with rifles or shotguns?”

“I’m sorry, Representative, can you repeat the question? I was talking to Representative Reitz.”

“You’re intent of the Bill is to protect sportsmen and hunters. And I’m assuming that that means in some of these municipalities people are driving through, sportsmen are driving through, some of them might be going to Wisconsin from southern Illinois. They might drive through the City of Chicago or Skokie and they might get pulled over and they might have on their possession a long gun or shotgun. And I’m assuming that what you’re trying to do is make sure that those individuals are not put in any jeopardy. My question to you is, specifically, are you aware of any situations? If there’s no… there has not been a problem with this then what are we looking to address? If… if the sportsmen of the State of Illinois and the hunters of the State of Illinois aren’t being affected right now why are we looking to do this?” 09300042.doc 80  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003

“This is a safe me… safety measure… a safeguard that they are not ever gonna come to… under attack. That the sportsmen and the hunters of this state are gonna be protected and we are never gonna do anything to make sure that they are not gonna get their way on what they want to use in shotguns. What you were talking ‘bout a while ago, Federal Law bans the guns you’re talking about. Everyone that you’re speaking of, the Federal Law bans them now. This does not preempt Federal Law by no means.”

“Ladies and Gentlemen, to the Bill.”

“To the Bill.”

“Under the Federal Law, guns that were in circulation were grandfathered in when the semiautomatic ban was put into place by Congress. So, thousands and thousands of guns that were manufactured, purchased, prior to that law going into effect that covered our nation, those guns were grandfathered in. Those guns are in circulation, those guns are resold every day around the State of Illinois. Gun manufacturers got around that with some things, like a TEC-9. It came up with a Bill called an AB-10. An AB10… AB stands for after ban. Same thing as in TEC-9 with a small modification. The intent of the Sponsor is to protect hunters and sportsmen around the State of Illinois, and I support him in what he is trying to do. My question is this though, if there’s never been a case of someone that’s been pulled over, if there’s never been a case of a… a sportsman that’s been arrested, locked up in a jail in Cook County or Chicago, then why the need? I guarantee you 09300042.doc 81  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003 this, if that situation did occur, the NRA would make sure that every Member of this House and the Senate across the way would know about it. I asked the City of Chicago and they came up with one situation where a sportsman was pulled over and his car was looked into, he had a rifle. Ariel Sharon, the prime minister of Israel, had been at a speaking engagement and was in one of the hotels so they had a lot of security. A hunter took a wrong turn, he was stopped, his car was searched, he was asked why he had a long gun. He responded he was going hunting and they let him go, he drove away. Never been any situations of hunters getting locked up, not one. Local municipalities come up with ordinances like semiautomatic bans, handgun bans, to do one thing, and that’s protect their residents. They don’t do it to harass hunters or sportsmen, they do it to protect their residents. In sta… in cities like the City of Chicago, we lose 400 individuals… 400 people with families every year to gun violence. You have to do something. There are mayors among us, there are city council… former city council member mayors among us. I would ask each one of you, what would you do if you lost 400 people every year? Four hundred of your neighbors, people with families, every year. What would you do? Would you sit on your hands and do nothing? These laws are there to protect citizens. That’s what they’re do… there to do. As we are here to protect the citizens of the State of Illinois, local municipalities try to do that. If this Bill’s enacted, semiautomatic weapons that are out there 09300042.doc 82  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003 now, semiautomatic bans that are out there now to protect citizens, those bans will be taken away. Before you vote for this, I’d ask you strongly to consider that and vote ‘no’.”

“This Bill is on Standard Debate. Mr. Phelps has introduced the legislation and spoke in favor. Mr. Osterman has stood in response. We will recognize two more people in response, two more people in favor of the Bill, and then Mr. Phelps will close. The Chair recognizes Representative Bost.”

“To the Bill.”

“The Parliamentarian will give the ruling on Representative Osterman’s request.”

“This Bill’s on Standard Debate. We’ll have two more stand in… in opposition to the Bill. Representative Currie.”

“Thank you, Speaker and Members of the House. We’ve heard of one instance in which an apparent hunter was stopped some years ago in Evanston with a handgun. If that is a problem, this Bill would not solve it because this Bill purports not to deal in handguns. The definition of rifle and shotgun is missing so an AK47 look-alike might be available for use and transport in your home community, should House Bill 1518 become law. As I read the Bill, no 09300042.doc 85  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003 local community could tell you how you may carry your long gun in and around the streets of Evanston or Glenview or Carbondale because it talks specifically about the transportation of these rifles and shotguns. So, does that mean that you can wear your rifle over your shoulder as you walk to your supermarket to buy this week’s groceries? In addition, while there is some language about safety and the security and zoning, that applies only, only to the retail sale of the… of the long guns. So, does that mean that you can’t zone out of the place right next door to the park where children play, a shooting range? Clearly it does. Well, I don’t think any of us in our right minds want to go home and tell our city fathers and mothers that they can’t protect the children in the playground from a shooting range. They can’t protect the children on their way home from school from a shooting range right next door. This is not good public policy for the people of our communities and it stands the notion of local control on its very head. Those of use who respect the ability of our communities to make good sound decisions to protect the safety and the security of our citizens ought certainly to be voting ‘no’ on House Bill 1518. And those of us who don’t want guns wandering freely through our neighborhoods, don’t want AK47 look-alikes, and don’t want shooting ranges all over the neighborhood ought certainly to vote ‘no’. I urge your ‘no’ votes and I would request, Speaker, if it seems to have the appropriate number of votes I would request it a verification.” 09300042.doc 86  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003

“Verification has be… been requested and you will be granted that right. We still seek two… one person in… in opposition and one person for the Bill. The next person up is Representative Coulson. Do you stand in opposition to the Bill?”

“Representative Coulson.”

“The Sponsor will yield."

“Representative, under the 1994 Crime Bill, all those assault weapons are banned. This does not… this does not preempt anything in the Federal Law.”

“Not… in… in all due respect, we’re talking here. When… in your… when you said other states…”

“And… and the same thing, Federal Law says that bans all those assault weapons. This does not preempt Federal Law. It would… same to be in Wisconsin it would be in Illinois or Kentucky or Indiana.”

“To the Bill.”

“The Chair recognizes the last person to speak for the Bill, Representative Reitz.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’d like to clarify a couple on… a couple of the opponents. One, we talked about the… the transportation issue. The transportation issue is already covered under the law. Anyone going to transport a gun it has to have it unloaded and encased. And I believe Representative’s House Amendment #2 took care of the school zone issue, I would… I would hope. So, to the Bill. This is… this is simply more of a tourism. As the Representative said, this is about sportsmen, this is trying to protect, ya know, long guns, their ability to have long guns, shotguns, rifles that are used for hunting. They’re seldom used in crime. Most of the people that we have a problem with in our society don’t use these types of guns. They’re going to use guns that are already illegal and they don’t care what the law is, no matter what. You could take a gun, set it down, and it’s not going to hurt anyone. It’s gonna rust before it does any danger to anyone. We need to keep that in mind. And the other… to touch on the tourism part, there are $450 thousand right now in retail sales in… two years ago in the State of Illinois for… for guns for sporting… that sportsmen bring to this state. We have 8,438 jobs and we generate over $29 million in tax revenue for the State of Illinois. That’s what this Bill is about, it’s about promoting sportsmen 09300042.doc 89  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003 rights and promoting sportsmen issues and tourism in the State of Illinois. And I’d appreciate your ‘aye’ vote.”

“Representative Coulson, you spoke in debate. For what reason are you seeking recognition?”

“Sure. Representative Tenhouse, we’re through the… we through with the debate. For what reason do you seek recognition? Representative Reitz to close. Phelps to close, excuse me.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Nothing in this Bill affects any municipalities ordinance that regulates handguns. This Bill does not preempt the 1994 Crime Bill on assault weapons. Illinois is the only state at one of only eight states that allows units of local government to ban or register the right to own a rifle or a shotgun. Forty-two states have a preemption law that protects the rights of hunters and goan owner… gun owners equal to House Bill 1518. Every two years we in this Body hear people tell us, ‘help us protect the law-abiding citizens that hunt and the sportsmen in this state. Let’s go after the criminal. We have enough laws on the book, let’s enforce the ones we got.’ That’s what we all hear every two years. Well, folks, I’m telling you here today, it’s time to put our money where our mouths are at and let’s protect our hunters and our sportsmen and this is what this Bill will tend to do. There are a lot of hunters and sportsmen all across this state that are 09300042.doc 90  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003 watching what each and every one of us do on this vote. We say we’re friends with the hunter, well let’s prove it. I urge an ‘aye’ vote.”

“The question is, ‘Shall the House pass House Bill 1518?’ All those in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; those opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is open. Majority…. This… this question requires 71 votes. There has been a verification requested. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 63 Members voting ‘yes’, 43 Members voting ‘no’, 11 Members voting ‘present’. Mr. Phelps, would you like Postponed Consideration?”

“No, lock the Roll Call.”

“And this Bill having recei… failed to receive a Supermajority, is hereby declared lost. House Bill 2370. Mr. McAuliffe. Mr. McAuliffe. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Representative McAuliffe.”

“Is there any discussion on House Bill 2370? The Chair recognizes Representative Parke.”

“The Sponsor will yield." 09300042.doc 91  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003

“Further discussion? Since no one is seeking recognition, the question is, ‘Shall the House pass House Bill 2370?’ All those in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; those opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 104 Members voting ‘yes’, 12 Members voting ‘no’, 1 Member voting ‘present’. 09300042.doc 92  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003 And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Mr. Joyce, for what reason do you seek recognition? He declines recognition. On page 20 on the Calendar, on the Order of Third Reading, appears House Bill 1360. Representative Lou Jones. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Representative Lou Jones.”

“I thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. House Bill 1360 is a 5 percent increase for TANF, which is the… which is the increase for people on public aid. Last year… last year we did a 5 percent increase and the… the Governor… the former Governor, in his good wisdom, did that increase, which increased the amount for a family of four from 377 to 392. This Bill here is another 5 percent, which will take it from 392 to 416. And this Amendment that will be put on this Bill… right now the Bill says 15 percent and I put an Amendment on yesterday to reduce the 15 to 5 percent. Also, if the Bill gets out and gets to the Senate there’s an October 1 effective date. Also in that Amendment it will state, ‘upon the availability of the funds.’ Right now, with this Bill at 5 percent, will cost the state $5.6 million. And again, that Amendment will be put on in the Senate that says, ‘availabil… upon availability of funds.’ And I ask for an ‘aye’ vote.”

“Is there any discussion? The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Parke.” 09300042.doc 93  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003

“To the Bill.”

Speaker Hartke: “Further discussion? The Chair recognizes Representative Krause.”

“To the Bill.”

“Further discussion? Since no one is seeking recognition, the question is, ‘Shall the House pass House Bill 1360?’ All those in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; those opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk. Mr. Dunn. Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 91 Members voting ‘yes’, 0 voting ‘no’, and 25 Members voting ‘present’. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On page 19 on the Calendar, on the Order of Third Reading, appears House Bill 416. Representative Collins. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Representative Collins.”

“This… 416 comes as the automatic transfer. We’re just gonna transfer the discretionary transfer. The State’s Attorney and everybody’s onboard with us now but they’re not in opposition, they’re neutral to the Bill. I ask for an ‘aye’ vote.”

“Is there any discussion on House Bill 416? The Chair recognizes Representative Black, the Gentleman from Vermilion. Good morning, Sir.”

“Good.”

“State your inquiry.”

“Mr. Clerk.”

“Let… let’s ask the Sponsor of the Bill.”

“Representative Collins.”

“It becomes the Bill.”

“Neutral.”

“That’s correct.”

“We worked very hard to come to this agreement.”

Speaker Hartke: “Further discussion? Chair recognizes Representative Lindner.”

“The Sponsor will yield."

“Well, the discretionary transfers are the 15-,and 16- year-olds for unlawful use of a weapon on school grounds, delivery of controlled substance, armed robbery, and hijacking.”

“Yes.”

“Right. That… that means the judge will hear each individual case and make a decision on those… based on the merits of the case.” 09300042.doc 97  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003

“These are… these are the only ones that we’re talking about. All of the other ones the state’s attorney didn’t agree on so we didn’t… we took ‘em out of the… out of the Bill.”

“We… we haven’t heard from them.”

“Yeah, we worked very hard with the state’s attorney to come up with this so everybody’s in agreement.”

“Further discussion? Since no one is seeking recognition, the question is, ‘Shall the House pass House Bill 416?’ All those in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; those opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 64 Members voting ‘yes’, 50 Members voting ‘no’, 3 Members voting ‘present’. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, 09300042.doc 98  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003 is hereby declared passed. House Bill 2618. Mr. Bradley. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Representative Bradley.”

“House Bill 2618 would permit an extension from 20 to 30 years the maximum time for repayment of bonds issued by the Chicago Park District, under the various provisions, authorizing it to incur boded… bonded indebtedness. This language does nothing to increase the amount of debt that the district may incur.”

“Is there any discussion? Seeing that no one is seeking recognition, the question is, ‘Shall the House pass House Bill 2618?’ All in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; those appised… opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 95 Members voting ‘yes’, 20 Members voting ‘no’, and 1 Member voting ‘present’. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Mr. Scully on House Bill 3309. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.” 09300042.doc 99  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003

“Representative Scully.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This is a shell Bill, amends the Uniform Interstate Family Support Act. We discussed this Bill… this Amendment on the floor two days ago. And the complexities of enforcing interstate child support orders make it very difficult for the paren… the custodial parent to get the support they need. We need uniformity in these laws. This is a proposal of the Uniform Interstate… through the Uniform Act Laws Committee. And we ask for your support for this technical Amendment whether we can… in order that we can continue the debate on this issue.”

“Is there any discussion on House Bill 3309? Seeing that no one is seeking recognition, the question is, ‘Shall the House pass House Bill 3309?’ All those in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; those opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 60 Members voting ‘yes’, 53 Members voting ‘no’, 4 Members voting ‘present’. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Mr. Holbrook, are you ready on House Bill 842? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Representative Holbrook… on Floor Amendment #1.”

“Yes, on Floor Amendment #1. This clarifies that counties do have a right to acquire properties through eminent domain to build parking facilities. They already have the right to manage and own and run them, and also to acquire property for public use. This is a… really a more of a clarification. I know of no opposition. And Metro Counties is one of the sponsors of this… or supporters of this. I move for its adoption.”

“Is there any discussion on Floor Amendment #1? Since no one is seeking recognition, the question is, ‘Shall the House adopt Floor Amendment #1 to House Bill 842?’ All those in favor signify by saying ‘aye’; opposed ‘no’. In the opinion of the Chair, the ‘ayes’ have it. And the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?”

“Third Reading. Take that Bill out right now. Mr. Clerk, read House Bill 842.”

“Representative Holbrook.”

“Yes, we just adopted the Amendment on this Bill for the right for parking facilities for county. I move for its adoption… or for its passage.” 09300042.doc 101  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003

“Is there any discussion on House Bill 842? The question is, ‘Shall the House pass House Bill 842?’ All in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; those opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 91 Members voting ‘yes’, 24 Members voting ‘no’, 1 Member voting ‘present’. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On page 4 on the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading, appears House Bill 1281. Representative O’Brien. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

Speaker Hartke: “Representative O’Brien to present the Amendment.”

“Is there any discussion on Floor Amendment #4? Representative Meyer. The Gentleman from Will.”

“The Sponsor will yield."

“Further discussion? Since no one is seeking recognition, the question is, ‘Shall the House adopt Floor Amendment #4 to House Bill 1281?’ All those in favor signify by saying ‘aye’; opposed ‘no’. In the opinion of the Chair, the ‘ayes’ have it. And the Amendment is adopted. Further amendments?”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Representative O’Brien.”

“Is there any discussion? The Chair recognizes Representative Lindner. This Bill is on Standard Debate. Do you stand in opposition?”

Speaker Hartke: “Representative Lindner, do you stand in opposition?”

“Do you stand in opposition? This Bill is on Standard Debate.”

“You may ask some questions.”

“The Chair recognizes Representative Black.”

“We’ll put you down in response.”

“The Sponsor will yield."

Speaker Hartke: “Further discussion? The Chair recognizes Representative Rose. Oh, excuse me. Mr. Black, you haven’t concluded?”

“Okay.”

“I thought somebody had died, it… it was so quiet.”

“Okay, I’m sorry.” 09300042.doc 113  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003

Speaker Hartke: “Further discussion? The Chair recognizes Representative Rose.”

“The Sponsor will yield."

“Further discussion? Since no one is seeking recognition, Representative O’Brien to close.”

“The question is, ‘Shall the House pass House Bill 1281?’ All those in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; those opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Representative Slone votes ‘aye’. Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 113… 112 Members voting ‘yes’, 6 Members voting ‘no’, and 0 voting ‘present’. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Is Representative Morrow in the chamber? Are you ready on 3190? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Representative Morrow.”

“Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Thirty-one-ninety… 3190, as amended, provides that any state, local government, or school district subcontract for a public works contract shall include a provision setting forth the percentage of female and minority worker that the… and this is where the Amendment #1 is, the original language had ‘subcontractor’, now it includes ‘contractor’, plans to employ the… to perform work on public works projects. I… Amendment #1 took out the monetary language for sanctions against contractors. And we replaced that language that if they don’t meet the requirements, that they be taken off the bid list for two 09300042.doc 118  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003 years. I’ll be glad to answer any questions on House Bill 3190, as amended.”

“Is there any discussion on House Bill 3190? Seeing that no one is seeking recognition, the question is, ‘Shall the House pass… oh, Representative Black. You’re so quiet I didn’t hear ya.”

“Oh, absolutely not.”

“The Chair recognizes Representative Black.”

“The Sponsor will yield."

“Well, what… what I would like you to do, Representative Black, and for… for the other Members that are listening to… to the debate. I left on your desk a 09300042.doc 119  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003 report dealing with Soldier Field. And what I found out as being chairman of the advisory board on Soldier Field, that the subcontractor, when he makes his agreement with the… with the Prime, he buys in, it’s called bought-agreement. There… there’s a column on your… in your package and I’ll give you an example. Look at page 2 of 18. Demolition to an abatement, it was bought at 25 and 5. In other words, Brandenburg, who is the prime contractor on this… on this bid, agreed with Turner that he would hire 25 percent minority, 5 percent female. Now if you go the column that says ‘MBE contract amount’, he’s only gotten to 21.84 percent minority and 3.86 percent female. Now, what… what my Bill is getting out, we’re not forcing you to take that percentage, you agreed for that percentage. And we’re saying is, stick to your agreement. Now, a lot of contractors… and this is why we took out the monetary penalties, Representative Black, a lot of contractors would rather just pay the… the monetary… Representative Black, lot of… lot of contractors would rather just pay the monetary fee. Do you understand what I’m saying?”

“As a cost of doing business.”

“We’re saying… and… and many of the contractual groups, African-Amer… minority contractual groups, female contractual groups, even the… even some of the white, Caucasian men contractual groups, said take out the monetary language and put in the language that deals with 09300042.doc 120  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003 taking you off the bid list for two years. Now, I’m willing… if… if it’s up to the will of this Body, to pass this over to the Senate to sit down with the contractual groups and deal with the good faith effort. I don’t think you should be penalized if you, let’s say, a percentage short. Do you understand what I’m saying, Representative Black?”

“Now, this bid… this… this… this bid that we’re looking at, I want to commend Representative Acevedo and Representative Lou Jones and former Representative Bill O’Connor because they are members of the advisory board too. When we first looked at this bid dealing with abatement, they ranked 12 percent in minority participation. The advisory board worked hard for them to bring their percentages up to 21 percent. So… and I’m not saying… and… and out of the 200 bids on Soldier Field that I’m using as an example, there may be less than 20 bids that they did not meet their goal. So, I’m not saying here, that House Bill 3190, that all contractors are just ignoring their goals, that there are some and we just want them to bring themselves to the line.”

“Representative Black, Soldier Field is almost 80 percent done but we have McCormick Place coming up, we have the Dan Ryan coming up. Both of those are $700 million projects, each. We also are gonna probably… I’m not… I don’t know if we’re gonna see it this year, but eventually, 09300042.doc 121  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003 we’re gonna have a Bill proposed to us to expand O’Hare. I’m being… I’m getting prepared for the future. Soldier Field is a done deal, but I just feel that minority and female participation should be guaranteed on future contracts.”

“Representative Black, I’m always willing to share anything with you.”

“Further discussion? Since no one is seeking recognition, the question is, ‘Shall the House pass House Bill 3190?’ All those in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; those opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is open. Have all vot… have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 87 Members voting ‘yes’, 24 Members voting ‘no’, and 7 Members voting ‘present’. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On page 25 on the Calendar, on Third Reading appears House Bill 3661. Representative Mautino. Frank Mautino. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Representative Mautino.” 09300042.doc 122  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Amendment #2 shelled this Bill. We’re working with the Department of Insurance to structure and bring the continuation of benefit coverage into compliance. Appreciate an ‘aye’ vote.”

“Is there any discussion? Seeing that no one is seeking recognition, the question is, ‘Shall the House pass House Bill 3661?’ All those in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; those opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 67 Members voting ‘yes’, 49 Members voting ‘no’, and 1 Member voting ‘present’. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On page 15 of the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading, appears House Bill 3341. Representative Miller. Do you want to take the Bill out of the record? You do not want to call the Bill? Out of the record. On page 6 of the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading, appears House Bill 1809. Representative Stephens. 1809. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Representative Currie.” 09300042.doc 123  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003

“Thank you, Speaker. This is a… a program subject to appropriation that will help care for and educate caregivers for autistic children.”

“Is there any discussion on Floor Amendment #4? Seeing that no one is seeking recognition, the question is, ‘Shall the House adopt Floor Amendment #4 to House Bill 1809?’ All those in favor signify by saying ‘aye’; opposed ‘no’. In the opinion of the Chair, the ‘ayes’ have. And the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Representative Stephens.”

“The question is, ‘Shall the House pass House Bill 1809?’ All those in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; those opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 116 Members voting ‘yes’, 1 person voting ‘no’, and 0 voting ‘present’. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On page 8 of the Calendar, on the Order of Second Reading, appears House Bill 2369. Mr. McAuliffe. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.” 09300042.doc 124  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003

“Representative McAuliffe on the Amendment.”

“Is there any discussion on Floor Amendment #1 to House Bill 2369? The Chair represents Rep… recognizes Representative Black.”

“The Sponsor will yield. Shh. Shh. Shh."

“Further discussion? Since no one is seeking recognition, the question is, ‘Shall the House pass… adopt Floor Amendment #1 to House Bill 2369?’ All those in favor signify by saying ‘aye’; opposed ‘no’. In the opinion of the Chair, the ‘ayes’ have it. And the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Representative McAuliffe.”

“Is there any discussion? Since no one is seeking recognition, the question is, ‘Shall the House pass House Bill 2369?’ All in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; those opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk. Representative ChapaLaVia. Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 118 Members voting ‘yes’, 0 voting ‘no’, and 0 voting ‘present’. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On page… on Third Reading appears House Bill 1715. Representative Brady. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Representative Brady.”

“Is there any discussion on House Bill 1715? The Chair recognizes Representative… Mr. Black, do you have questions? He declines recognition. Further discussion? Since no one seeking recognition, the question is, ‘Shall the House pass House Bill 1715?’ All those in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; those opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, are 118 Members voting ‘yes’, 0 voting ‘no’, and 0 voting ‘present’. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 2201. Representative McGuire. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Representative McGuire on Amendment #3.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the General Assembly. The Bill 2201 has been brought to me and to try to help the Joliet Junior College in my hometown, the oldest junior college in the country, to obtain… or retain, I should say, a liquor license. They have had a liquor license because they have a school of culinary arts and a banquet hall separate from the junior college facilities campus themselves. And for some reason… for 09300042.doc 128  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003 some reason, that liquor license either expired and no one knew it or… I don’t know what the reason is but they have asked me to see what we could do to help get that. And that’s what 2201 does. And I’ll try to answer any questions if you have ‘em, otherwise, I’d appreciate your… your ‘aye’ vote.”

“Is there any discussion? The Chair recognizes Representative Kosel.”

“Is there any discussion… further discussion on Floor Amendment #3? Since no one is seeking recognition, the question is, ‘Shall the House adopt Floor Amendment #3 to House Bill 2201?’ All those in favor signify by saying ‘aye’; opposed ‘no’. In the opinion of the Chair, the ‘ayes’ have, and the Amendment in adopted. Further Amendments?”

“Representative McGuire.”

“Okay, Representative… or, Mr. Speaker, Amendment #4… I’ve had so many Amendments here. Which one is four? 09300042.doc 129  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003 Okay, four is the one that we just talked about. And three we just… okay, three I think we have done some time ago. Am I correct? Amendment 3 was done…. Excuse me.”

“Mr. Clerk, has Amendment #3 been adopted?”

“Yeah, I’m trying to figure out what four is, to be honest with ya, Sir.”

“We are on Amendment #4.”

“Yeah, #4 allows us to have liquor in the buildings.”

“Is there any discussion on Amendment #4? The Chair recognizes Representative Davis, Steve Davis.” Davis, S.: “Yes, thank you, Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield for one question, please?”

“The Sponsor will yield." Davis, S.: “According to the analysis, Representative, Amendment 4 merely allows an exemption for al… alcoholic liquors to be delivered and sold in Joliet Junior College areas. Is that correct?”

“That’s correct.” Davis, S.: “And that’s all that the Amendment does?”

“That’s correct.” Davis, S.: “All right, thank you.”

“The Chair recognizes Representative Boland.”

“Would the Sponsor yield?”

“The Sponsor will yield."

“Representative McGuire, are you not a graduate of Joliet Junior College?” 09300042.doc 130  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003

“I spent two years there, Representative Boland. I don’t know if I graduated. I moved on, though.”

“Don’t know if you grad… And, is it not true that you were a football star at Joliet Junior College?”

“I wouldn’t characterize it as ‘star’, I was a football player.”

“So, did you eat the food from these culinary classes, Representative McGuire?”

“No, I watched my diet, Representative Boland.”

“So, are… are you not, though, in the Joliet Hall of Fame in Joliet Junior College?”

“Yes, I am guilty of that. I’m in the hall of fame…”

“So…”

“…of Joliet Junior College.”

“Is… is this Bill a conflict of interest for you, Representative McGuire?”

“No, Sir. I don’t drink.”

“I thought this had to do with culinary sciences.”

“No, it’s not a… it’s not a conflict of interest.”

“Do you eat? Do you eat? You don’t drink but…”

“I have eaten several times in the culinary department, yes.”

“And… and is it of the star quality that we’ve heard?”

“Yes.”

“Okay, well, then I guess I can support your Bill, even though this may be a blatant conflict of interest by Representative McGuire here.” 09300042.doc 131  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003

“Further discussion? Since no one is seeking recognition, the question is, ‘Shall the House adopt Floor Amendment #4 to House Bill 2201?’ All those in favor signify by saying ‘aye’; opposed ‘no’. In the opinion of the Chair, the ‘ayes’ have it. And the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?”

“Representative McGuire on Amendment #5.”

“Floor Amendment 5 is to expand fl… Amendment 4 to the Michael Bilandic Building in downtown Chicago, as requested by Mr. Madigan. And that’s Floor Amendment 5.”

“Is there any discussion? Seeing that no one is seeking recognition, the question is, ‘Shall the House adopt Floor Amendment #5 to House Bill 2201?’ All those in favor signify by saying ‘aye’; opposed ‘no’. In the opinion of the Chair, the ‘ayes’ have it. And the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Representative McGuire.”

“Well, Ladies and Gentlemen of the General Assembly, I think you’ve heard what the… the Bill is about in the various Amendments. And if there are no further questions…”

“Is there any discussion on House Bill 2201?” 09300042.doc 132  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003

“…keep Representative Boland from asking any questions. I’d appreciate an ‘aye’ vote.”

“Is there any discussion on 2201? Seeing that no one is seeking recognition, the question is, ‘Shall the House pass House Bill… Representative Slone.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Gentleman yield for just a moment for a question?”

“Yes.”

“Mr. McGuire, if… if you addressed this in your testimony on the Amendments, I didn’t hear it. Is there any precedent for this among any of the other schools?”

“Other junior colleges?”

“Yes.”

“I’m… I’m not aware. I think there are culinary schools in other… actually, they’re called community colleges. Joliet Junior College is the only college still referred to as a junior college in the legislation, some years ago, that created the community colleges. But I… I’m sure there are culinary art schools in… in other campuses, but I don’t know of any for sure.”

“But do they… do any of them serve alcohol at any of their functions?”

“I… I can’t answer that.”

“Okay, so as far as you know no… this would be only… there would be only one institution that would be covered under this language, is that right?”

“I’m not sure, Representative, because this particularly applies to the Joliet Junior College and the 09300042.doc 133  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003 School of Culinary Arts. Representative Fritchey thinks Harper College has that. There may be other colleges around the state, I’m just not familiar with all the other community colleges.”

“Okay, thank you.”

“Thank you.”

“Further discussion? Since no one is seeking recognition, the question is, ‘Shall the House pass House Bill 2201?’ All those in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; those opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk. Mr. Wirsing. Mr. Leach. Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 109 Members voting ‘yes’, 9 Members voting ‘no’, and 0 voting ‘present’. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 1180. Mr. Mitchell. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Representative Mitchell.” Mitchell, J.: “Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 1180 is a… is a Bill that we’ve been working on for several years. This will change the way we fund special education in the State of Illinois. This is an initiative that is the work of both upstate and downstate. We are very concerned about the cost of special education in the State of Illinois. We’ve crafted a Bill, 09300042.doc 134  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003 that now puts reimbursement under a formula. And the formula is based to the ADA in special education. It also creates a block grant, which will be called the Special Education Block Grant. This Bill is one that is needed for many reasons. It’s stated by many of the education groups that we spend a… about $1 billion over and above the amount of money that we receive from the State and the Federal Government. You also know that many of the things that happen in the special education arena are basically mandated from the Federal Government, we have no choice. And maybe that’s as it should be. The rights of those students with special education have been mandated to the local school districts through the State of Illinois. But to pay for those, a billion dollars is… has to be taken out of the regular education fund for this expense. We have made this Bill revenue ne… neutral for this year, but it is also tied to the foundation level. That then brings the foundation level into play in both the suburbs and downstate and makes it an important part of the formula overall. This is something that’s been worked on by the special education people, every education group, plus the alliance. There aren’t… there is no opposition to this Bill. It mirrors what’s done in Chicago, although Chicago already has a block grant for this same reason. I urge an ‘aye’ vote and would be happy to… to answer any questions.”

“Is there any discussion? The Chair recognizes Representative Kosel.”

“The Sponsor will yield."

Speaker Hartke: “Further discussion? The Chair recognizes Representative Black.”

“The Gentleman from Whiteside will yield.”

“The Gentleman from Vermilion thrown out, now in Whiteside.”

“You must’ve been a good student.”

“Further discussion? Representative Giles.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield for a question?"

“The Sponsor will yield for a question.”

“Representative Mitchell, I know you’ve worked long and hard on this piece of legislation and I think you’ve been very creative in some of the things you have done. I just have a… just a simple question. You know, looking at… on our side of the aisle here, we’re looking at the opponents of this legislation. And there’s a couple groups here that 09300042.doc 139  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003 sort of disturb me… the reason why they would be in opposed to your piece… to this piece of legislation, the Illinois Special Education Coalition and the Childcare Association of Illinois, and then a few others. But could you just briefly tell this Body why they would be in opposition? And… and I believe you have answered in your… in your presentation.” Mitchell, J.: “Thank you, Representative. And I’m… I’m glad you brought that up. In the original Bill, when we formed the… the block grant for special education, we had put in there the private funding under extraordinary and those are… are line items 702 and 703 that is put in the state budget for the purpose of tuition for education outside the public school. Now, many of the students that are in special education have problems so severe that there is no way that the public school can afford to educate those children. Therefore, those are… are basically put out on a tuition basis and the money is recouped for… through… for these private schools, through the State of Illinois, under these line items. Their opposition was very strong, very vehement, because those were included in the block grant and they felt that because there would not be the auditing for those particular line items anymore, that they would, quite possibly… use state… or, districts would use that money for other reasons and they would not get reimbursed. So we sat down with Childcare Association of Illinois, representing the privates, and worked out Amendment #1 that excluded 702 and 703, and those will stand alone as line 09300042.doc 140  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003 items. And their opposition to the final, amended version of this Bill has been taken away.”

“Thank you, Representative. I just wanted that to be clarified. You know, I think this is a… to the Bill. I think this is a very creative way of trying to solve a problem and I truly commend the Sponsor in the way he did it. Being a budget crunch year with the deficit problems that we have, and of course, the problems that we have in all of our school districts, I… I… this is very creative. And I just urge all Members to put an ‘aye’ vote on this piece of legislation. It is something that’s badly needed. All of the costs can be justified in special education. So, I just urge you to support this piece of legislation.”

“Further discussion? The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Robinson… excuse me, Crawford. Mr. Eddy. Hudsonville.”

“To the Bill.”

“Further discussion? Since no one is seeking recognition, Representative Mitchell to close.” Mitchell, J.: “Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, this… this has been a work in progress for several years and I… I really think we’ve got it as close to being right as we possibly can. Changing the way we… we fund special education in the way that we’ve done it gives us three different ways to increase special education funding from now on. We realize that there is no way we can add money to the Governor’s budget at this time, the economy is just too flat. But the percentage that’s put into the formula’s the 17.5. We can raise that as the economy gets better and increase money to every single school district in the State of Illinois. We can raise the foundation level, which would increase money to every single school district in the State of Illinois. This is a matter of… of making special education more equitable than any other formula or any other method that we fund schools, including regular education. The third way we can increase funding for special education in the future is to raise the flat grant amount that every single school district gets for special education teachers, and that reimbursement is right now at $8 thousand. It should be raised. Everybody understands that, but right now we just can’t afford to do it. So in the future, as the economy gets better, we can come back and revisit this Bill and change any one of those 09300042.doc 142  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003 three items within the formula itself and increase funding for special education. I appreciated all the help that I’ve had on this Bill. I appreciate an ‘aye’ vote. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.”

“The question is, ‘Shall the House pass House Bill 1180?’ All those in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; those opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 117 Members voting ‘yes’, 0 voting ‘no’, 0 voting ‘present’. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 3088. Representative McCarthy. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Representative McCarthy.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 3088, we put Amendment #2 on it the other day, which shelled the Bill. It… the purpose of the Bill is gonna stay the same, it’s gonna amend the Private Business and Vocational Schools Act. It basically works with a special… since so special schools in our state that are now evaluated by both the State Board of Education and the State Board of Higher Ed, as well as one national accrediting agency. We do want to keep the negotiations alive, and that’s why I agreed to shell the Bill and hopefully move it over to the Senate. So I would 09300042.doc 143  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003 appreciate your ‘aye’ vote. And I can assure you that this Bill will not be used for anything else other than the… what I just mentioned. So, thank you.”

“Is there any discussion? Seeing that no one is seeking recognition, the question is, ‘Shall the House pass House Bill 3088?’ All those in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; those opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question… Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 61 Members voting ‘yes’, 56 Members voting ‘no’, and 1 Member voting ‘present’. Mr. Black.”

“State your inquiry.”

“Yes.”

“Yes, I did.”

“Thank you very much for helping me. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On page 23 on the Calendar, on Third Reading appears House Bill 3676. Representative Molaro. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.” 09300042.doc 144  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Representative Molaro.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This Bill is not a fee increase. That being sai… that being said, this is a initiative of the Department of Revenue. And all it does is add two words to a long-standing statute, and that’s the word ‘long-term’ to differentiate it from ‘short-term’. So, the Bill now reads, ‘the long… the net long-term capital gain for taxable year.’ So, it would… didn’t have that language in there, now it does, it doesn’t have any confusion. They’ve been acting for many years as though that term did exist in the statute. It puts in the statute… all of the people involved in this have been contacted and it was their initiative as long… as well as the Department of Revenue, which of course, this is not a tax… or, a fee increase. Thank you.”

“Is there any discussion? Seeing that no one is seeking recognition, the question is… Representative Hamos.”

“Will the Sponsor yield?"

“The Sponsor will yield."

“Representative Molaro, is this a fee increase?”

“No, this is not a fee increase.” 09300042.doc 145  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003

“Oh, I thank you. I just wanted you to make that clear.”

“The question is, ‘Shall the House pass House Bill 3676?’ All those in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; those opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 118 Members voting ‘yes’, 0 voting ‘no’, and 0 voting ‘present’. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On page 23 on the Calendar, on Third Reading appears House Bill 2870. Mr. Lyons. Joe Lyons. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Representative Lyons.” Lyons, J.: “Thank you, Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 2870 is actually some cleanup, technical clarification from the Telecommunication Act of 19… of 2001, that provides that only telecom carriers that provide local exchange service or the hard lines into our homes, rather than all carriers, are required to notify their end users about the contributions to the program that is there to eliminate the digital divide. So, this is intent of the original legislation. And I’d be happy to answer any questions, would like to have your ‘aye’ vote.” 09300042.doc 146  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003

“Is there any discussion? The Chair recognizes Representative Black. Representative Howard. The Chair recognizes Representative Howard.”

“Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker. Representative Lyons, I’m confused about what this Bill is supposed to do.” Lyons, J.: “Representative, the original Telecommunication Act dealt with only the hard-line phones, or the phones that come into our house through wire. It was never intended to deal with the… the cellular phone business, okay. This just clarifies that in this language. There was part of the concern on the digital divide issue was for the hard- line carriers, or for the… for the… for the companies who provide us service to our homes through wire to go through the effort, which they did last fall, to solicit volunteer contributions for the digital divide. This just clarifies that it’s only the… the local exchange phone companies, not the cellulars, that are required to do this.”

“Just wanted to be certain.” Lyons, J.: “Oh, absolutely, Connie.”

“Thank you so much.” Lyons, J.: “Good question.”

Speaker Hartke: “Further discussion? The Chair recognizes Representative Black.”

“The Sponsor will yield."

Speaker Hartke: “Further discussion? The Chair recognizes Representative Hamos.”

“Thank you, Speaker. But just… to follow up on Representative Howard’s comments, Representative Lyons. This does not eliminate, in any way, the requirement that we did have as part of the Telecom Act to have a voluntary solicitation for the local exchange carriers, right?” 09300042.doc 148  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003 Lyons, J.: “Correct.”

“Okay, we wanted to make sure, because this is not supposed to change any of that. Thank you very much.”

“Further discussion? Since no one is seeking recognition, Representative Lyons to close.” Lyons, J.: “Appreciate an ‘aye’ vote.”

“The question is, ‘Shall the House pass House Bill 2870?’ All those in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; those opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, 118 Members voting ‘yes’, 0 voting ‘no’, and 0 voting ‘present’. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 2317. Representative O’Brien. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Just a minute.”

“Just a minute, Representative O’Brien. Just a minute. Proceed, Representative O’Brien.”

“Is there any discussion? Since no one is seeking recognition, the question is, ‘Shall the House pass House Bill 2317?’ All in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; those opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk… Mr. Parke. Mr. Brosnahan. Mr. Stephens. Have all voted who wish? Mr. Stephens. Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 73 Members voting ‘yes’, 44 Members voting ‘no’, 0 voting ‘present’. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On page 20 on the Calendar, on the Order of Third Reading, appears House Bill 1248. Representative Nekritz. Out of the record. You don’t want to call that Bill? It’s out of the record. Representative Younge on House Bill 2605. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.” 09300042.doc 150  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003

“Representative Younge.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. House Bill 2605 would establish the Illinois African-American Peace Brigade, which would make available volunteers to Africa and urban innercities. We… we have… through volunteers, we would be able to foster the friendship between the State of Illinois and African nations. About three years ago I went to Ghana, Accra, Ghana, and the one thing the people asked for was help in reference to their educational institution. And I… I know that there are large numbers of people who would like to volunteer, who have educational backgrounds. The other serious problem that we have in this state is the very, very low test scores in urban innercities. Sometimes the percentage of passing is as much as 50 percent lower than the hi… highest percentages. And the volunteers would be able to go to schools, assigned by the superintendent of schools of the State of Illinois, and help students in reference to their tests and their studies. The volunteers would receive training if authorized by the director. And I ask for your support in this matter. There would be a advisory council of 15 persons forum to help direct the program and evaluate the results. And I ask for your passage of this matter.”

“Is there any discussion? The Chair recognizes Representative Black.” 09300042.doc 151  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003

“The Sponsor will yield."

“No, I don’t have any knowledge of that, Representative. I mean, what were the circumstances? But I have no knowledge that there was any…”

“The Bill says that the… the director appointed by the Governor would decide how… what the programs would be and… and which volunteers are approved. Ordinarily, what happens is a group of about 25 people are under a leader in a particular project. So, you’re talking about small numbers. And… and the director would be the one to determine the size of the program.”

“That… that is correct.”

“That would be one of the things that would hold the numbers done, Representative Black.”

“Because it… it… that would be a requirement.”

“Well, that would… those would be questions for the appropriations process. The director would be paid at the level that the Department of Agriculture’s director is paid. And… and if the council, the advisory council, in its evaluation, did not see that there were enough volunteers to justify it, that would influence the situation. So there will be an evaluation to see that enough people are volunteering to justify the program.” 09300042.doc 153  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003

“You’re welcome.”

Speaker Hartke: “Further discussion? The Chair recognizes Representative Stephens, the Gentleman from Fayette.”

“The Lady will yield.”

“Yes, there are… there is an emergency that exists in urban innercity schools, so far as the ISAT tests are concerned. The tests scores are quite low and there needs to be volunteers to mentor…”

“It addresses that by saying that that is the second purpose of the Bill. And that the state superintendent…”

“The… there are two separate type of projects. One, a foreign service and the other, a… a service in cities in the State of Illinois, Representative.”

“To the Bill.” 09300042.doc 154  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003

“The Chair recognizes Representative Mulligan.”

“Further discussion? Since no one is seeking recognition, Representative Younge to close.”

“This Bill addresses a very urgent problem in this state, and that has to do with the test scores in the cities in Illinois. And I… I think that it would be very important for us to bring those test scores up right now through the development of a mechanism where people can volunteer to go in and help the… these students. And I ask for your support in this matter.”

“The question is, ‘Shall the House pass House Bill 2605?’ All those in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; those opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 67 Members voting ‘yes’, 36 Members voting ‘no’, 15 Members voting ‘present’. And this Bill, having received 09300042.doc 157  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003 the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On page 20 on the Calendar, on Third Reading appears House Bill 486. Representative Flowers. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Representative Flowers.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 486 deals with the epidural and the other sources of medication that will be paid for. And there was a situation with Medicaid and public aid and we put it in an Amendment to address that issue. And I’ll be more than happy to answer any questions you have in regards to the Bill.”

“Is there any discussion? Since no one is seeking recognition, the question is, ‘Shall the House pass House Bill 486?’ All in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; those opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk. Mr. Parke. Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 101 Members voting ‘yes’, 3 Members voting ‘no’, and 13 Members voting ‘present’. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 1952. Mr. Hultgren. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Representative Hultgren.”

“Is there any discussion? The Chair recognizes Representative Currie.”

“Thank you. Would the Gentleman respond to some questions, please?”

“The Gentleman will respond to questions.”

“First of all, Representative, I’m sorry. I missed committee when this Bill was presented. How much money is at stake?”

“And what year is in question?”

“Do you… do you have… could you tell me who made the mistakes, the three mistakes?”

“Wait, I’m sorry. Could you repeat the second part of that?”

“They did… they did not have a lawyer helping them with this?”

“Do they not have a lawyer?”

“Had they never used a lawyer for these kinds of…”

“Do they use a… an internal lawyer now or do they hire….”

“And I understand that there’s some current litigation about this issue.”

“My understanding is that this issue… the issue of the mistakes that were made by the park district is currently in litigation. Is that correct?”

“And… and can you tell me whether the park district has lost any motions? I mean, where… where is the litigation at this point?”

“I would think that would be a good plan. I don’t know that we are comfortable, as a Body, interfering in litigation that is pending out there that, obviously, involves some taxpayer who feels that he, or she, or many taxpayers were not well treated when these mistakes were made. So, I… I wonder if I could ask, maybe you could ask for an extension on this Bill so we could get some answers to the specifics of the… of the situation?”

“I’m sorry, what… what was the last part that you said? Work on a Senate Bill?”

“Okay. I have a…”

“Well, if you wouldn’t mind holding it and as I say, either asking for an extension or trying to resolve the questions before this… on this… before we do a Senate Bill, I’d appreciate it.”

“Turn Representative Currie’s light on.”

“Yeah, I think you should just take it out of the record. There’s plenty of time to work on Senate Bills. I just think we don’t have enough answers to these questions for us to feel comfortable moving on this at this time.”

“I don’t know whether it would be granted, of course. But, again, there are Senate Bills, I know there are going to be vehicles that are coming over and I just think, as a Body, we should not be jumping to say ‘yes’ to this proposition without having more answers.”

“Take this Bill out of the record.”

“Thank you.”

“House Bill 2439. Representative Black. 2439. Do you want to take that Bill out of the record? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill. Oh, excuse me. Before we get started here, let’s take that Bill out of the record, I’ll be right back with ya. Representative Lyons, for what reason do you seek recognition?” Lyons, J.: “Po… point of personal privilege, Speaker.”

“State your point.” Lyons, J.: “Of all the people I don’t like to disrupt before they present a Bill it’s Representative Black, but time is precious. I’d like the Assembly to acknowledge, I’d like to give a welcome to my seventh grade class from my own parish, above the Republicans there, to cheer on Representative Black’s Bill, from our Lady of Victory School, seventh grade class. Welcome.”

“Mr… Mr. Clerk, put 2439 on the board and read the Bill.”

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“Mr. Black.”

“Is there any discussion? The Chair recognizes Representative Hannig.”

“Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

“The Sponsor will yield."

“Representative, I… I’ve a couple questions I don’t quite understand about the Bill. The first question is, would… would this put them in line with the… with the current school construction program? Would it put them on some priority list?”

“Where they have….”

“The other question I have is that it’s my understanding that right now that the state board is not taking any additional requests. That they were basically saying that the program is out of money, we’re gonna try to, you know, fund what’s left. I think there’s… there’s some needs that we’re gonna fund in this year’s budget.”

“But where do they fit in with that?”

“Thank you, Representative. You answered my questions.”

Speaker Hartke: “Further discussion? The Chair recognizes Repr… Representative Jakobsson.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Representative Black, I just… I have a question, I’m not sure. Do these cooperative high schools have one school board and one superintendent or do they have separate school boards and separate superintendents?”

Speaker Hartke: “Further discussion? Rep… Representative Scully.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

“The Sponsor will yield."

“Representative Black, I want to make sure that I understand. The substantive legislation that we passed a couple years ago, that this is… seems like a very reasonable compromise for consolidated school districts that currently exist who now appreciate the advantage of having a… a… a school dis… a high school district that would serve several smaller elementary school districts.”

“And I think this would also give the… give an opportunity for those citizens and taxpayers to realize, in their own pocketbook, the… the economies and efficiencies of this cooperative high school district. I think it is an excellent move and I thank you for bringing this to our attention.”

Speaker Hartke: “Further discussion? The Chair recognizes Representative Eddy.”

Speaker Hartke: “Further discussion? The Chair recognizes Representative Mathias, the final questioner.” 09300042.doc 171  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003

“The Sponsor will yield."

“Representative Kosel.”

“Representative Black to close.”

“The question is, ‘Shall the House pass House Bill 2439?’ All those in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; those opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 118 Members voting ‘yes’, 0 voting ‘no’, and 0 voting ‘present’. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 3191. Representative Morrow. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.” 09300042.doc 173  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003

“Representative Morrow.”

“Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I guess this is my last Bill of… of my trilogy of… of trying to correct some of the… some of the ills that we’ve seen at Soldier Field. What House Bill 3191 does as amended, provides that if a change order in any public works contract entered into by a state, unit of local government or school district authorize or ne… necessitates any contract price increase that is 25 percent or more of the original contract price then a portion of the contract that is covered by the change order must be resubmitted for bidding. I’ll be glad to answer any questions on House Bill 3191, as amended.”

“Is there any discussion on House Bill 3191? The Chair recognizes Representative Joyce.”

“Thank… thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

“The Sponsor will yield."

“Representative, is there any exceptions for emergency situations?”

“Yes, there is. There’s… there’s language that deals with… with the emergency change orders, yes.”

“Thank you.”

“Mr. Parke. Representative Parke.”

“The Sponsor will yield." 09300042.doc 174  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003

“When a… when a… when a contractor puts in a bid for… for work, he bids it at a certain amount. Well, sometimes the actual scope of work is greater than the actual bid. And we don’t have a problem with the concept of change orders, change orders are basically a no-bid contract to allow the awarded contractor to complete the scope of work. Now, what happened at Soldier Field… there was a contract that was let for asbestos abatement. The contract was bidded for $4.2 million, the change order was $9.2 million, almost double the original bid. The Advisory Board, which are made up of Members of Representative Acevedo, Lou Jones, Bill O’Connor, when he was serving, we… we felt that that should be rebidded. Why should he get a no-bid contract for double the original bid? Well, Soldier Field is on a fast track. They refused to rebid it. Now, the bidders who came in second on the bid bidded their bids which between 12 to 15 million dollars, which was reflective of the actual work that needed to be done. Now, I’m not trying to say that there was any… anything illegal done that… that the bid was awarded to the low bidder, knowing that he was going to get this change order submitted, but we just want to have some protections. There is a section in the… Terry. Representative Parke. There is a section within the State Act, the State Finance… State Finance Act 30 ILCS 105-902. This is something we’re trying to… to get some clarification on. My staff feels… 09300042.doc 175  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003 has informed me that Soldier Field was in violation of the statute that deals with change orders. IDOT has a different opinion. They’re willing to work with me on this… on this language, if it goes to the Senate. But we are trying to get an opinion from Attorney General Lisa Madigan on this, to bring Soldier Field and any future state finance projects into compliance.”

“To the Bill.”

“Representative Morrow to close.”

“Yes, as I said earlier, Representative Parke, you are correct, IDOT was opposed… is opposed to this Bill. They are… the City of Chicago is opposed to this Bill. We have… we have… I’ve discussed with the City of Chicago and IDOT. If it’s up to the Body that we pass this out on Third Reading, then we will work in the Senate to address some language. Representative Parke, you know… as you know, 09300042.doc 176  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003 I’ve always been a Legislator who wants to involve all parties involved. I have always been willing to… to listen to… be given some language. Some of the contractor groups that are opposed to this Bill have not given me any language, Representative Parke. If they give me the language when this Bill goes to the Senate, I’ll be more than happy to… to consider their language and make this a part of the Bill, if it… if it enhances the Bill to address the issue that I’m trying to get at. One thing though, to the Members of the General Assembly, understand, a change order is a no-bid contract, a no-bid contract. And I’m not saying that change orders on Soldier Field were in the position as the bid that I just addressed. I’m not here to say that Soldier Field or the contractors or the unions at Soldier Field have done anything underhanded or illegal. All I’m trying to address is to make a unpalatable situation more palatable. I’m trying to address the situation where there is a level of… of… not being a level playing field to making it a level playing field. I go back to the old song that James Brown says, ‘I don’t want nobody to give me nuttin’, just open up the door and I’ll get it myself’. And I need ‘green’ votes on House Bill 3191.”

“The question is, ‘Shall the House pass House Bill 3191?’ All those in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; those opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the 09300042.doc 177  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003 record. On this question, there are 80 Members voting ‘yes’, 37 Members voting ‘no’, and 0 voting ‘present’. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Kurtz, for what reason do you seek recognition?”

“Yes, state your point.”

“Welcome to your State Capital, Springfield, Illinois. On page 23 on the Calendar appears House Bill 2778. Representative Saviano. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Representative Saviano.”

“Is there any discussion? Seeing that no one is seeking recognition, the question is, ‘Shall the House pass House Bill 2778?’ All those in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; those opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is open. 09300042.doc 178  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003 Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there’s 117 Members voting ‘yes’, 0 voting ‘no’, and 0 voting ‘present’. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Mr. Boland on 2… 3486. Mr. Boland in the chamber? Mr. Bailey, excuse me. Ms. Bailey. Out of the record. House Bill 1662. Representative Daniels. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Representative Daniels.”

“Is there any discussion? Since no one is seeking recognition, the question is, ‘Shall the House pass House Bill 1662?’ All those in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; those opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 118 Members voting ‘yes’, 0 voting ‘no’, and 0 voting ‘present’. And this Bill, having 09300042.doc 179  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003 received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative McGuire, are you ready on House Bill 3398? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Representative McGuire.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. Excuse me. Thirty-three-ninety-eight is a prevailing wage improvement Bill. And what 3398 does… makes a series of technical changes to the Prevailing Wage Act designed to improve enforcement of the Act. House Amendment 1 makes four changes to the original Bill, two are, of which, technical in nature. It provides all appropriate statutory references to the Illinois FIRST Program. It removes the definition of ‘fixed work’, which was one of the concerns to the Illinois homebuilders. It refines the wage posting requirement, excuse me, gives the Department of Labor the authority to interview workers. Now, there has been some concern and discussions about the 3398 and labor has been speaking with the Associated General Contractors and others, and they have agreed that there is room for agreement. Both groups have pledged to continue the si… discussions and consider any further changes in the Senate, but due to the ticking clock today, we would like to pass this Bill over to the Senate. And AGCI, the Associated General Contractors, said, at the worst, they would be 09300042.doc 180  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003 neutral and continue the worst on the Bill. I’ll try to answer any questions you may have, if they’re not too technical or legal in nature. And I appreciate your ‘aye’ vote.”

“Is there any discussion on Floor Amendment #1? The Chair recognizes Representative Parke.”

“I think so, yes. This is prevailing wage.”

“Yeah, it’s changes to the Act, Representative.”

“It’s… it change… it is changes to the Act. It doesn’t codify.”

“To Illinois FIRST Projects, yes.”

“It covers all Illinois FIRST funded to projects.”

“It… it… it expands the Act to cover all Illinois FIRST Projects. I… I didn’t quite follow…”

“…the other projects you had mentioned.”

“I don’t believe that’s in the Bill, Representative.”

“Those are all in… in the bounds of Illinois FIRST.”

“It’s everything encompassed by Illinois FIRST, as I’m told by my legal eagle here.”

“It’s all covered under the fund for Illinois future, which is Illinois FIRST.” 09300042.doc 182  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003

“Are you finished, Mr. Parke?”

“Mr. McGuire.”

“No. No. No, Sir.”

“To the Bill.”

“The Chair recognizes Representative Hamos.”

“Thank you. Ladies and Gentlemen, to the Bill.”

“To the Amendment.”

“There is really…”

“To the Amendment.”

“…no legal concept called Illinois FIRST, but everything that we have been bidding, every construction project that we have been using our state… precious state dollars for right now, school construction, all the other transportation projects, has been roughly under the category of Illinois FIRST. But so what, what’s wrong with that? The point here is it’s not everybody has to bid or do work on state projects, but if they decide they want state money to do work on state projects, they ought to pay prevailing wage. That’s all this says. If you’re a contractor and you don’t feel like doing this, don’t come to this state to do state projects. So, whether we call it Illinois FIRST or not, this is an important principle to establish. If we’re going to believe in unions and prevailing wage, that’s what this Bill establishes. And I think we should all be voting ‘yes’, whether or not it’s limited by something… some fiction called Illinois FIRST.”

Speaker Hartke: “Further discussion? The Chair recognizes Representative Black… on the Amendment.”

“On the Amendment.” 09300042.doc 184  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003

“Further discussion? Since no one is seeking recognition, the question is, ‘Shall the House adopt Floor Amendment #1 to House Bill 3398?’ All those in favor 09300042.doc 185  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003 signify by saying ‘aye’; opposed ‘no’. In the opinion of the Chair, the ‘ayes’ have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“We discussed the Bill. Mr…. Are we ready to vote? Mr. McGuire.”

“Thank you very much, again, Mr. Speaker. We just ask for your ‘aye’ vote. Thank you.”

“The question is, ‘Shall the House pass House Bill 3398?’ Representative Lang.”

“Thank you. Will the Sponsor yield?"

“The Sponsor will yield."

“Thank you. Just for purposes of legislative intent, Representative.”

“Yes, Sir.”

“Thank you. I… you know, the Senator… you can talk to the Senator later. Hello, Senator. Cou… is the language in the Bill boiler plate language that we use anytime that an Illinois FIRST project is referred to?”

“It was drafted by the Reference Bureau, yes.”

“And we… so this is language that we use for each project?”

“Yeah.”

“And second question is… is do the homebuilders have a position on this?” 09300042.doc 186  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003

“Homebuilders what?”

“Do the homebuilders have a position on your Bill?”

“I’m not aware of the homebuilders’ position at all.”

“All right, thank you.”

“Representative Parke.”

“My information is the Attorney General… Ryan.”

“Yes, that’s… that’s correct. You need statutory authority and they… the Department of Labor, I don’t think, has that authority. I’m not gonna question that, but the attorney general… maybe.”

“That… that’s an opinion, I presume, of the attorney general.”

“This is codification of that.”

“I’m sorry, would you repeat that?” 09300042.doc 187  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003

“Yeah, we’re speaking of the intent of the Attorney General Ryan… opinion. Not sure what the intent of the present attorney general is, that’s… that’s not known right now.”

“That’s the intent of the Bill.”

“Yeah…”

“No further discussion? Representative McGuire to close.” 09300042.doc 188  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003

“…earlier, Mr. Speaker, the Associated General Contractors have been in negotiations on this… on this piece of legislation. And as I mentioned earlier, that they have expressed that there is room for agreement. And they also have expressed that at the worst they would be neutral if this Bill were to go to the Senate for further clarification. And I guess what we’re saying is everybody seems to be in agreement to be in agreement, but that there should be more work done on it in the Senate. And that’s all that we’re asking, is that we pass this Bill over to the Senate, work on it in the Senate. And the Associate General Contractors will be, at the worst, neutral. Thank you.”

“The question is, ‘Shall the House pass House Bill 3398?’ All those in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; those opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 79 Members voting ‘yes’, 35 Members voting ‘no’, 4 Members voting ‘present’. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 2280. Representative Coulson. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Representative Saviano on Floor Amendment #1.” 09300042.doc 189  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003

“Is there any discussion on Floor Amendment #1. Since nobody is seeking the recognition, the question is, ‘Shall the House adopt Floor Amendment #1 to House Bill 2280?’ All those in favor signify by saying ‘aye’; opposed ‘no’. In the opinion of the Chair, the ‘ayes’ have it. And the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Representative Coulson.”

“Is there any discussion? Since no one is seeking recognition, the question is, ‘Shall the House pass House Bill 2280?’ All in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; those opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, 118 Members voting ‘yes’, 0 voting ‘no’, 0 voting ‘present’. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 1952. Mr. Hultgren. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Representative Hultgren.”

“Is there any discussion? The question is, ‘Shall the House pass House Bill 1952?’ All those in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; those opposed vote ‘no’. The 09300042.doc 191  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003 voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. (sic-Ms.) Graham. Mr. Parke. Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 89 Members voting ‘yes’, 23 Members voting ‘no’, 6 Members voting ‘present’. And this legislation, received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On page 19 on the Calendar, on the Order of Third Reading, appears House Bill 223. Representative Monique Davis.”

“Representative Monique Davis.” Davis, M.: “Mr. Speaker, House Bill 223 requires videotaping of custodial interrogations of minor suspects in nonprobationable offense… investigation. It requires videotaping of custodial interrogations of adults. It also requires that… it’s the videotaped interrogation Bill, and it passed out of the Senate with 58 ‘yes’ votes and not any negative votes.”

“Is there any discussion? The Chair recognizes Representative Lindner.”

“Sponsor will yield.”

Speaker Hartke: “Further discussion? The Chair recognizes Representative Black.”

“State your inquiry.”

“The system can only have 30 characters to describe the Bill, and apparently there were more than… “

“…30 characters… so this is an error.” 09300042.doc 196  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003

“No. The other error, e-r-r-o-r.”

“Error.”

Speaker Hartke: “The description given in the board is in error.”

“How about your laptop? I don’t think you were recognized for that Motion, Mr. Black. Is that better? There you go. Further discussion? Since no one is seeking recognition, Representative Monique Davis to close.” Davis, M.: “I would just urge an ‘aye’ vote and thank all of those who helped me so very much.”

“The question is, ‘Shall the House pass House Bill 223?’ All those in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; those opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 77 Members voting ‘yes’, 0… 34 Members voting ‘no’, and 7 Members voting ‘present’. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Lou Jones on House Bill 1091. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

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“Thank you, Mr. Chairman, Members of the House. House Bill 1091, we debated this Bill a couple of days ago and there were some questions as to how the juveniles were going to be notified and who was going to notify them. An Amendment was put on then and the Amendment clarifies that the clerk of the circuit court shall initiate the notification process for expungement of juvenile records, either on the individual’s 17th… 17th or five years after all juvenile court proceedings have been terminated. Then, after the clerk makes the notification, law enforcement has 90 days to object. If they object, a hearing is then held and the judge decides what should happen. If they don’t object, then the judge shall enter an expungement order. The Amendment makes clear that people whose dispositions were prior to the date of the Amendatory Act, must still file a verified petition and start the process themselves, all… also. The Bill simply creates a process for automatic expungement of the enforcement in juvenile court records for indigent minors. Please listen, the Bill does not change the requirements for expunging juvenile records. Several years ago, the Legislature carefully carved out the situations where a juvenile can expunge law enforcement and court records. This Bill does not, and I repeat, this Bill does not modify those conditions. It merely creates a process for indigent minors to follow the already existing expungement provisions. Juveniles from families with resources to hire counsel already get their records expunged. This simply extends that already existing right 09300042.doc 198  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003 to all minors. Expungement of records is crucial to the education opportunities and employment of juveniles.”

“Is there any discussion? The Chair recognizes Representative Rose.”

“The Sponsor will yield."

“Beg pardon?”

“Not like this, this is just… is juveniles. And I think, if I’m not mistaken, you’re talking… you know, you’re talking about Representative Howard’s Bill.”

“I think hers was adults and this is juveniles.”

“Two and three.”

“I… the judge of the circuit court. I read that, Representative.” 09300042.doc 199  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003

“Yes.”

“No, this does not exchange… this does not change the existing law.”

“No, I’m not.”

“Further discussion? Representative Molaro.”

“It’s just…. Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen. Quickly, this is just to remind the Body. We debated this and Representative Moffitt, who I found out actually… I’m sorry, Representative Mathias, who actually reads the Bill, had a nice catch here where there was nobody who would actually do the… some human being actually has to start the expungements. This… and so all the Amendment did was make where now the clerk of the circuit court, at a certain age, would make the expungement. Again, and Representative Jones has said it, this does not change existing law now. Whatever you can expunge as a 09300042.doc 200  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003 juvenile, you can expunge now, nothing more, nothing less. All this does is it makes it automatic that the clerk of the circuit court, when they turn 17 years old, does this automatically. And the reason this is being done is, remember, these are… these are kids who are adjudicated, not delinquent. In criminal court they would be found not guilty. And the only problem that you have is when you’re found not guilty or not delinquent, the judge just says that, you go. No one tells you, ‘oh, and by the way, three or four years from now you can hire a lawyer and expunge your record’. No one tells the defendant that, no on tells the juvenile that. Remember, this is a juvenile who has been found not guilty after he was charged, he’s been found nondelinquent, and this just makes it now an automatic expungement. It doesn’t change the expungement statute, not one sentence or one iota. What you can expunge today you can expunge after this Bill is put into law, if we’re so lucky, and nothing else. Thank you.”

“Representative Mathias.”

“The Sponsor will yield."

“After five years.” 09300042.doc 201  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003

“The person that the records… the records… the person whose record is being expunged.”

“You’re correct.”

“You’re correct.”

“Representative, the clerk is aware of what they have to do and they are not opposing the Bill.”

“Yes.”

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“They are sealed.”

“There’s no chance of reopening them to any conditions.”

“I was just informed it’s Dorothy Brown’s office, the clerk of the circuit court, not Cook County. And what… Representative no, you tell me your other question? Would you repeat your last question?”

“Yes, it does. It makes the record go away. But right now, Representative, I am… I am not really clear what your question is.”

“I am told that it reassures, right now, that at some point it cannot be reopened.”

Speaker Hartke: “Further discussion? The Chair recognizes Representative Giles.”

“Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. To the Bill.”

“To the Bill.”

“You know… and I… I understand. I think I kind of understand what the previous speaker was trying to get at. If… if these records are concealed and no one will see these records then… then what is the point of this piece of legislation? But, let me… let me explain to you from a different perspective. And… and, by the way, I think the Sponsor has an excellent piece of legislation. See, the problem is is that oftentimes, especially young individuals who… who make a mistake early on in life, we’re talking about juveniles, they’re… I mean, this becomes a dramatic focus point in their lives. And not just that juvenile or that individual, but the parents as well. And so, all the attention is focused on that individual going through that process of adjudication. And so once that individual is adjudicated because of that minor crime, then there is a process, and there is a process of expungement. And… and oftentimes, that particular family, that respective family is so excited and so in jubilation that… that their son or their daughter can now carry on their life and realize that mistake and move forward and begin to mature. And we know 09300042.doc 204  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003 those next few years are very critical years in which they will begin to look at life a little bit differently. Then, oftentime, that process of expungement, if it has to be done manually, get lost… get lost in the shuffle, get forgotten, or… or somehow it is truly neglected. If we had a law that simply says that we must mandate the judge to remind and to tell that parent or that juvenile that you can get your record expunged, then… then maybe I can understand some of the questions. But we have a situation here that I think is a win/win situation, which an individual, a young person, goes through a… a process, get adjudicated, and at a certain age that record automatically get kicked out or… or get expunged. And I think it’s an excellent piece of legislation. I think, once again, we… we can’t just throw the baby out with the bathwater, we… we must create opportunities, second opportunities, for young individuals who make those early mistakes in their lives to… to move forward and to go on to be productive and… and viable individuals in our society. So, I truly rise to give a strong ‘yes’ vote on this piece of legislation. And this is… you know, this is the 20th century, this is 2003, this is something that is long forthcoming. This should… as the young kids say, this is a no-brainer. Thank you.”

Speaker Hartke: “Further discussion? The Chair recognizes Representative Graham.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

“The Sponsor will yield." 09300042.doc 205  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003

“If the records are sealed at… after the case or at a certain age, isn’t there certain provisions that will still allow low… law enforcement to go into the records at some point, if they’re investigating something?”

“You’re absolutely correct. There are certain conditions that sealed records can be opened.”

“And if you expunge the record, it will in… it will take it out of the record totally; therefore, no one can gain access to it at all?”

“Absolutely.”

“Okay, thank you.”

“Further discussion? Representative Sacia.”

“The Sponsor will yield."

“I’d like to read the section that I am amending. ‘Records which have been expunged are sealed and may be obtained only under the provisions of Section 5-901, 5-905, and 5-915.’”

“Representative, there is an expungement law of juvenile records. This ball… this Bill does… did not do that, there is an expungement law. This Bill just says that it is automatic. If you read… I’m reading from the existing law… 09300042.doc 207  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003 there is an expungement law, so if that was the case, why is there an expungement law… for juvenile… for juveniles?”

“I’m reading the statute.”

“Representative, I can only answer you the way that I have. There is an expungement law, I’m not changing that expungement law, I didn’t create that expungement law. So, wait a minute, Representative. For the sake of time, I can stand here and argue with you from now on. I am reading from the statute. And, evidently, I don’t understand your question or either you don’t understand mine. And I’m very sorry.”

“But I’m reading to you from the statute.”

“Do you want me to bring it to you?”

“Representative Molaro, for what reason do you seek recognition? We’re in the middle of a debate.”

“I was… Speaker, I was just gonna answer his question that he was asked. Maybe it’s right here in the statute… if I may.”

“The Chair recognizes Representative Molaro.”

“Thank you, very quickly. Just… Representative Sacia, maybe I’m having a hard time understanding the question, too. Right now, in the law, Section 5-19… right in the law, right now, describes how you can expunge a juvenile’s record. Representative Jones didn’t make that up, I didn’t make that up, that’s the current law. You can expunge a juvenile’s record.”

“We would have to go into the legislative intent, maybe, 10 years ago when they made this. But this is the current law of the State of Illinois that no state’s attorney, no public defender, no judge, no system has every challenged. This is existing law. You can expunge a juvenile’s record. It’s existing law. All Repre… Jo… Jones is saying that the law says you could expunge a record but you must bring a petition. She’s saying she’d like the law to stay exactly like it is, she didn’t make it, she’s not changing it, except to say that instead of petitioning you get it auto… it automatically happens. So if you’re gonna ask again why we have an expungement 09300042.doc 209  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003 statute, I suggest we go to the debate 10, 12 years ago and see why we have an expungement statute.”

“That’s… okay, that’s… that’s… and I don’t want to argue with you, that’s untrue. I’ve worked with many investigative in my own… the U.S. Attorney’s Office could get it. If there’s a record that exists somewhere in this country, trust me, a U.S. attorney or a state’s attorney and a grand jury could get that record.”

“Well, then whoever wrote this statute 20 years ago must have made a mistake because why would there be an expungement statute?”

“So… so therefore, this legislation doesn’t hurt anything. All we have is an expungement statute that allows it to be done automatically, as opposed to a petition. And all I can tell ya is if there’s some record somewhere, and you’re telling me that a grand jury can’t get their hands on, well, sobeit. But again, to the question, the expungement law is already the law of the State of Illinois. So maybe we should get something that, later on, takes the expungement record out of the law.” 09300042.doc 210  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003

“Thank you.”

Speaker Hartke: “Further discussion? The Chair recognizes Representative McCarthy. For what reason…”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’d like to move the previous questions.”

“The previous question has been put. All those in favor signify by saying ‘aye’; opposed ‘no’. In the opinion of the Chair, the ‘ayes’ have it. And the previous question has been put. The question is, ‘Shall the House pass House Bill 1091?’ All those in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; those opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 60 Members voting ‘yes’, 53 Members voting ‘no’, 5 Members voting ‘present’. And this Bill, 09300042.doc 211  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003 having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Speaker Madigan in the Chair.”

“Mr. Black.”

“Mr. Mitchell.” Mitchell, B.: “Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It’s a little late but when I wanted to pull it in, I talked to my circuit clerk in Logan County who is the legislative chairman for the Circuit Clerks’ Association. She thought there was a misrepresentation on this Bill. So every Member of this House should know that the Circuit Clerks’ Association were adamantly opposed to this legislation. In the debate, she… she thought that there was a misleading statement on that and she wanted it in the record that the Circuit Clerks’ Association were adamantly against that legislation.” 09300042.doc 212  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003

“Representative Lou Jones.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. To the last speaker. No one that you’ve mentioned ever came to me against this Bill. When I presented this Bill there was four… four… four law enforcement office… that came to me. There were the state’s attorney, there were the State Police, and the State’s Attorney Association, also. And I worked with them with this Bill. Now, I don’t know why anyone over there wants to misrep… misrepresent this Bill. This Bill does not change existing law. All this Bill does… is makes a playing… playing… level playing field for an indigent minor to expunge his records. And I want to thank everybody that gave me an ‘aye’ vote.”

“Mr. Black.”

“Mr. Mitchell. Mr. Clerk, what is the status of House Bill 3343? We’re not coming back to the Bill. Okay. The Gentleman indicates he does not want to call the Bill. Mr. Clerk, what is the status of House Bill 3676? 1376. The Clerk advises that this has already passed. House Bill 2187. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Representative Nekritz.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This… House Bill 2187 is another initiative to address the growing crime of identity theft. The Bill was… there was a Committee Amendment and that became the Bill. Subsequently, I was… in the last few days we’ve received some concerns that were raised by the Illinois Bankers Associations and other industry groups. We’re in the process of trying to work out a compromise on this. Those groups have agreed to remove… or to be neutral on the Bill right now so that we can move the Bill forward. And I would assure the Members of this… of this Body that… that we will use the Bill only if we reach a compromise. So, I ask for your support to keep the Bill moving and help 09300042.doc 214  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003 to protect consumers and the citizens of this state from identity theft.”

“Mr. Black.”

“The Sponsor yields."

“No, Sir, it is not. It is in the form that was passed… that was created through the Committee Amendment.”

“This would only be the second one, Sir.”

“This… the Bill in its current form seeks to… to catch the identity theft on the front end so that someone issuing credit… in its current form right now, if a credit issuing agency received an application for credit and the credit report did not have the same address, that that would trigger a… an inquiry into the application. That’s one of the things it does.”

“I suppose we could, Sir.”

“The question is, ‘Shall this Bill pass?’ Those in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; those opposed by voting ‘no’. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 93 ‘ayes’ and 23 ‘noes’. This Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority… there is a request for a verification. So we need staff to retire to the rear of the chamber, we need Members to be in their seats. We need Mr. McKeon to take his seat, Mr. Molaro to take his seat. Representative Mendoza, take your seat. Take your seat. Representative Jones, take your seat. Mr. Clerk, read the names of those voting ‘yes’.”

“Mr. Black, questions?”

“Remove Mr. Acevedo.”

“Turner. Remove Mr. Turner.”

“The Gentleman is in the chamber.”

“Mr. Holbrook’s in the chamber.”

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“On this question, there are 90 ‘ayes’, 23 ‘noes’. This Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 1608. Mr. Phelps. The Gentleman indicates he does not wish to call the Bill. House Bill 1475. Mr. Smith. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Mr. Smith.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This is a shell Bill that we would like to send over to the Senate; we’ll be getting one from them, also. We have not quite come to an agreement on the language for this, but the intent is to establish a port district for the Greater Peoria Area. And I would ask for your favorable consideration.”

“Mr. Black.”

“Mr. Black, do you have the Bill on your system now?”

“Mr. Stephens.”

“There has been a quorum call. Those who are present will vote ‘present’. Those who are not, like Mr. Davis, will vote ‘no’. We are doing a quorum call, pursuant to your request. The Chair would advise… Mr. Clerk, take the record. There being 112 people responding to the Quorum Call Roll Call, there is a quorum present. Mr. Stephens.”

“Mr. Smith.”

“Mr. Speaker, are we back on House Bill 1475?”

“Yes.”

“I’ll be glad…”

“But you… you’ve spoken, haven’t you, Mr. Smith?”

“I spoke once, yes. I think there are others.”

“All right. So, Mr. Leitch.”

“The question is, ‘Shall this Bill pass?’ Those in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; those opposed by voting ‘no’. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question, there are 67 ‘ayes’ and 46 ‘noes’. This Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 3218. Representative O’Brien. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.” 09300042.doc 220  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003

“Representative O’Brien.”

“Representative Lindner.”

“The Sponsor yields."

“Representative Howard.”

“Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

“The Sponsor yields."

“Yes, Representative, did I understand you correctly to say that the individual who is the perpetrator must be… must have gotten this illness prior to age 18?” 09300042.doc 223  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003

“So does that mean, then, that no one beyond the age of 18 can ever become mentally retarded, after that age?”

“Okay, so… so you’re Bill only covers mental retardation.”

“But there is a possibility that sometime in the future, based on a study that’s going to be done, that maybe others who have suffered from something or have a 09300042.doc 224  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003 condition that began to exist after age 18, can also be considered for the nonexecution.”

“I thank you.”

“Mr. Black.”

“The Sponsor yields."

“Mr. Lang.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Very quickly, I rise in support of the Lady’s Bill. Frankly, I can’t imagine any civilized person voting against this Bill. We should not be executing or sentencing to death people who are mentally retarded. The Lady’s right on the point and I think we all should support her Bill.”

“The question is, ‘Shall this Bill pass?’ Those in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; those opposed by voting ‘no’. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question, there are 113 people voting ‘yes’, 0 voting ‘no’. This Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority… Mr. Black.” 09300042.doc 231  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003

“On this question, there are 113 people voting ‘yes’, 0 voting ‘no’. This Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Mr. Clerk, what is the status of House Bill 3321?”

“Representative Hamos.”

“Yes, Speaker, Ladies and Gentleman, this is a… a negotiated Bill between the utilities company… utility companies and CUB, dealing with a series of enforcement mechanisms at the Illinois Commerce Commission. The Amendment, itself, is a product of the four weeks of negotiations. And I’ll be happy to explain the Bill on Third Reading. Thank you.”

“Those in favor of the Amendment say ‘aye’; those opposed say ‘no’. The ‘ayes’ have it. The Amendment is adopted. Are there any further Amendments?”

“Third Reading. Read the Bill.” 09300042.doc 232  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003

“Representative Hamos.”

“Thank you. Ladies and Gentlemen, again, I think there… this is an agreed to Bill. And I want to publicly thank the utilities com… utility companies for being as cooperative as they have been. This is really dealing with a series of enforcements, civil penalties, and ICC powers. Generally, what we have is a series of penalties within the Public Utilities Act. This was trying to integrate them so that we would have very similar penalties that apply to gas and electric utilities, as applied to telecom companies, as applied to the alternative suppliers. That’s really the gist of it, is trying to bring everything… trying to make everything consistent. And, again, it’s a… it has no opposition. Thank you.”

“Mr. Black.”

“The Sponsor yields."

“Well, it’s $1 thousand… it’s different throughout the Bill. It’s $1 thousand per occurrence. In some sections, up to $30 thousand, which is, again, consistent with the Telecom Act.”

“That has… that has to do with a section of the Bill that is about misrepresentation, knowing misrepresentation of facts before the ICC. And it was believed that to be evenhanded and fair, it should apply to everyone.”

“Knowing…”

“Knowing misrepresentation.”

“Well, I believe that… I don’t… I don’t know the answer to that, Representative. I….”

“That is correct, for knowing misrepresentation of facts.” 09300042.doc 234  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003

“Maybe even lieutenant governors can be subject to that.”

“Mr. Steve Davis.” Davis, S.: “Thank you, Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield for one brief…”

“The Sponsor yields." Davis, S.: “…question. Representative, yesterday in committee there was a witness slip filed by the Illinois Telecommunications Association, who… and as you said, there was no opposition. However, there was still some concerns. I believe it was stated in committee. And just clarification to the Body, that there is going to be some more technical work done on this Bill once it reaches the Senate. Is that correct?”

“That is correct.” Davis, S.: “Okay. Thank you.”

“The question is, ‘Shall this Bill pass?’ Those in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; those opposed by 09300042.doc 235  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003 voting ‘no’. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question, there are 112 people voting ‘yes’, 0 voting ‘no’. This Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. The Chair will call five more Bills and no more. The following Bills will be called and there will be no more: 2549, 120, 2943, 2514, 3618. And there will be no more. House Bill 2549. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Mr. Joyce.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. We have shelled this Bill to address concerns from Representatives from the northwest area. We’re working on some language with the City of Chicago and the County of Cook in order to deal with the West Nile Virus problem, spec… specifically on the North Shore and on the southwest quadrants in the mosquito abatement district of Cook County. I’d appreciate an ‘aye’ vote and would answer any questions.”

“Mr. Parke. Mr. Parke.”

“The Sponsor yields."

“That… my intentions are to put an Amendment to affect the southwest area.”

“The northwest I’m leaving alone. I don’t know what the Representatives from… and the Senators from the North Shore are looking at. I…”

“The southwest, that’s correct.”

“Mr. Black. Mr. Black. Black.”

“The Sponsor yields."

“Yes, Representative Black, the intentions are to replace the southwest area because they did an absolutely horrible job. And that area had the highest number of cases in the country for West Nile Virus, that were diagnosed last summer. And when they were supposed to put the pellets in the ca… catch basins and they said they did, they didn’t do it. They said they did it twice. In the end, the City of Chicago had to go down and put the pellets in. And including that, they had to… in addition to that, they had to put… do the spraying themselves. The suburbs weren’t taken care of, the city wasn’t taken care of. We would like to find something that, statutorily, we can do to replace the existing structure and put something better in that will be more competent and more effective.”

“Absolutely. It’s gonna be worse, it does take… you know, the… the larva have 150-day life span so the pellets can’t be put in ‘til mid to late May into the catch basins.”

“Yes, and hopefully in a better way.”

“The question is, ‘Shall this Bill pass?’ Those in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; those opposed by voting ‘no’. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question, there are 79 people voting ‘yes’, 30 people voting ‘no’. This Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 120. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Mr. Smith.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen. This, I believe, is the last Bill that was generated from the Fire Protection Task Force that Representative Moffitt and I cochaired. We certainly want to thank everyone in the House who helped participate in those hearings and helped in the legislation. This would simply allow municipalities and township fire departments to charge nonresident persons or businesses for fire protection services. Basically, if someone is in need of a fire… a fire protection service in 09300042.doc 239  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003 a municipality, they don’t live in the municipality, the municipality, currently, cannot charge them for that service. Fire protection districts do have this power, municipalities do not. So this is just bringing parity to them. In addition, we have a couple other Amendments. One, addressing concerns of the Municipal League. And another one, on behalf of former Representative Brunsvold, for a fire protection district in his district, which allows it to consider an airport part of its contiguous property. I know of no opposition. Mr. Speaker, I would just like to thank you for creating the task force, on behalf of Representative Moffitt. I think we have done a lot of good this Session with all of these Bills. Thank you.”

“Mr. Black.”

“The Sponsor yields."

“Yes. The intent was to give them the same general authority. The language in Amendment #2 was on behalf of the Municipal League because they had some concerns about 09300042.doc 240  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003 some of the arrangements that municipalities may have with… with residents who live outside of a municipality and have already contracted with them.”

“I think that’s safe to say, yes. But… but they are in agreement with this… with this Amendment.”

“The question is, ‘Shall this Bill pass?’ Those in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; those opposed by voting ‘no’. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question, there are 94 people voting ‘yes’, 17 people voting ‘no’. This Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 2943. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Mr. Phelps.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This is a… House Bill 2943’s an initiative from the Illinois Department of Natural Resources, our forest 09300042.doc 241  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003 preserve districts, and our conservation districts. It amends the Illinois Exotic Weed Act, adding kudzu and several species of buckthorn. The Illinois Exotic Weed Act prohibits the sale, propagation, planting, and cultivation of a species listed under the Act. And if you have any questions, I’d be glad to answer ‘em.”

“Mr. Black.”

“The Sponsor yields."

“I do not know the answer to that.”

“They… commercial nurseries throughout the state would be alerted that they cannot sell this anymore… any longer.”

“Not that I’m aware of.”

“Yes, correct.”

“The question is, ‘Shall this Bill pass?’ Those in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; those opposed by voting ‘no’. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Has Mr. McGuire voted? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question, there are 111 people voting ‘yes’, 1 person voting ‘no’. This Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 2514. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Representative May.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I bring you House Bill 2514 which addresses the problem of small businesses not being able to provide health insurance for their employees. There… many of you will recognize this concept which I’ve worked on since I’ve been elected. This Bill ha… passed the House in the last General Assembly with 96 votes and had bu… wide business support. It, however, did not move out of the Senate. Now, with our new Governor, who campaigned on this issue, I 09300042.doc 243  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003 think that it’s time to put it into action. It is a work in progress but I ask you for your consideration to move it to the Senate, where it will be amended to reflect the Governor’s budget realities. This is a creative solution to a widespread problem. One point seven million Illinois citizens have no health insurance, 700 thousand of these are full-time workers. Small firms have more unemployed than large firms, and the uninsured in large firms are… in small firms are growing at a faster rate than any other segment. That’s why I’m focusing on this niche. We have CHIP for the people who can’t get insurance because of illnesses. We have KidCare, FamilyCare, Medicaid, and other programs for our poor citizens. But we need to do something for the 15… 15 percent of our population that still can’t acc… access adequate medical health insurance coverage. This Bill continues to have strong bipartisan support and support from the health community and the business community. I thank my Sponsors. I recognize Frank Mautino, who is the Chair of our Insurance Committee, and Sara Feigenholtz for their help, as well as the Sponsors. Would just like to make sure that the Governor’s actions in putting this into place will be successful. Changes have been made from last Session to make this pool stronger and address the concerns of the insurance agents. We’d just like to state that it includes small businesses of 2 to 50 employees. CMS in… buys insurance for 425 thousand people, this provides the economies of scale that small businesses can’t otherwise attain. And CMS is 09300042.doc 244  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003 required to utilize all the state mandates and rating tiers that are in place for the private sector, and it’s permissive to use licensed agents to market the product. An employer can go directly to CMS or to an agent if they wish. CMS will roll out the program slowly and limit the number in the initial years so it becomes a prilot… a pilot project. They can change the offering based on the market reaction and that’s how they currently manage the municipal pool. It’s subject to appropriation and I will be ready to answer your questions. Thank you.”

“The Lady moves for the passage of the Bill. The Bill is on the Order of Standard Debate. Mr… Mr. Parke.”

“The Bill is on the Order of Standard Debate. One has spoken for the Bill, one has spoken against it. The Chair recognizes Mr. Bill Mitchell.” 09300042.doc 246  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003 Mitchell, B.: “Thank… thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Will the Sponsor yield?"

“The Sponsor yields." Mitchell, B.: “Representative, what is the cost on this legislation?”

“Representative, this… it’s really impossible to say at this point because… be… it’s revenue neutral to the state in the long term. At this point, as I explained, it would be a small pool. We don’t have the number that the Governor is willing to put in. So, it’s immaterial, what it is right now, because the Governor hasn’t decided what our small group would be. The fiscal note that is given this year, I think, is way out of whack compared to what they had last time. When the Bill I introduced last time had a fiscal note that was open-ended and we had one price, and now we’ve got a fiscal note that is almost double. I just don’t understand it.” Mitchell, B.: “So, you don’t… you don’t have an answer. You don’t know how much it’s going to cost. We’re voting on a Bill that we don’t… it’s gonna cost the state something…”

“There was a fiscal note filed, yes.” Mitchell, B.: “…but we do not know what it’s going to cost the people of Illinois.”

“There was a fiscal note filed, which I’m sure you’ve seen.” Mitchell, B.: “Representative, in my area our retired teachers aren’t doing too well in terms of their… their health costs. I just don’t understand is how we take on 09300042.doc 247  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003 additional burden when we’re not doing adequately with the present state pension system.”

“This is not… yeah.” Mitchell, B.: “Excuse me, health insurance system.”

“This is not an additional burden. As… as you’re aware, under the umbrella of CMS, there are four pools now. They do not bleed into one another. There’s the state employees’ pool, the retired teachers, the ri… retired judges, and the municipal pool. None of them bleed into each other, so it’s erroneous to say that it will affect the teachers’ pool or the state employers… employees’ pool.” Mitchell, B.: “I don’t believe it’s erroneous to say that those pools are in fiscal crisis at present, though.”

“I had trouble hearing that question.” Mitchell, B.: “I said, Representative, I don’t believe it’d be erroneous to say that those present health plans are in crisis right now, to the tune of about $300 million.”

“That… that won’t affect that at all. I mean, it’s apples and orange, completely different.” Mitchell, B.: “How do you… do you address the fact that… does this compete with the private sector with…, ya know, my insurance agents in Mt. Pulaski or Clinton? How are they going to…?”

“Absolutely. And I am concerned about that which is why I added a provision that the small businesses could use insurance agents, the licensed agents in this state, which I think do a good job. I’ve relied on them as a small 09300042.doc 248  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003 business owner myself. The… the other point to make is that I think we’re all aware that… I found out about this, and not only from my experience but every time I’m on the campaign trail I hear about this. People with small businesses feel that they don’t have a good product out there. It is a fact that more than 20 insurance companies have stopped offering small business coverage in this state. And it’s a fact that many of the people right here on this floor and our constituents don’t feel that they can get a good product in… for small businesses.” Mitchell, B.: “Mr. Speaker, to the Bill. I appreciate the… the work that Representative May has done on this. I… my district is not different than yours, that when I go out in my district, which consists of seven counties in a very rural area, small businesses talk about the health problems. One of the things that they don’t want, though, when I talk to small businesses, is more government involvement. They don’t look and say the government is doing a very good job, just look at the present budget crisis that we’re in. I have very serious reservations in terms of this Bill and what it’s going to cost the people of Illinois. Now, the Governor will be announcing his budget next Wednesday. We’re in a fiscal crisis that you know of, but we’re gonna pass legislation, once again, that we don’t know how much it’s going to cost the people of the State of Illinois. I, again, appreciate your work but I urge a ‘no’ vote.”

“Mr. Mautino.” 09300042.doc 249  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003

“Thank you, Speaker Madigan. To the Bill. Ladies and Gentlemen, I… I appreciate how Representative May has worked on this Bill. And as she stated to committee, it is a work in progress. Throughout the course of the summer they have met and… and are looking at a way to create a pool which will be funded with no state dollars. That would be, basically, a buying group for insurance. Some states have done this, some have had success, some have not. They’re looking also at a transparent pool. That allows for, basically, the department to broker or just make available to small businesses some policies that are done by standard companies. As she had in… as stated in committee, it’s a work in progress. The Bill still needs to address adverse selection to make sure that we don’t become a insurer of last resort, which was one of the concerns that Representative Parke had earlier. And that is to be addressed in the Senate. The Governor’s Office has also said that there are… at this time there’s no money that’s dedicated towards this, they’re gonna work on that in the Senate. There were two ways to present this Bill. One is a shell, which would allow it to go forward and… and continue the work. The Representative has chosen to show you a framework of what she’s trying to do. In this pool, small businesses would take a look at a plan, which would be similar… they’d be able to choose what benefits were for their people and then purchase them outright. It has… it has a long way to go but we do have a commitment. We are working with the manufacturers, with the business groups, 09300042.doc 250  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 42nd Legislative Day 4/4/2003 to try and bring something forward. And there is a commitment from the Representative, this will not go to the Governor in this form. Because, as I said, you have a framework of what we’d like to see done for small business. If it turns out to be too expensive, we will not forward this legislation. But we want to make sure that if there is a possibility to create a group that some of the hardest to insure, that’s your 2 to 25 group, or your sole proprietors, which is done currently, in New York, maybe takin’ their model, where we would do a pass-through. These are some of the things that are under discussion. And the Representative has committed that this will not reach the Governor in this form, but she will continue and that any changes to the Bill will be brought back to this House. Her Senate Sponsor is in agreement with that, as well. And with some hope that we can find a program that may fit for the small businesses, she can bring this forward.”

“The question is, ‘Shall this Bill pass?’ Those in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; those opposed by voting ‘no’. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question, there are 99 people voting ‘yes’, 8 people voting ‘no’. This Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 368. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“Mr. Burke.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 3618 would very simply insure that surgical assistants would be currently recognized under the Hospital Licensing Act and Ambulatory Surgical Treatment Center Act and would be recognized providers by insurance companies. I’d be happy to answer any questions.”

“The Gentleman moves for the passage of the Bill. The Chair recognizes Mr. Black.”

“The Sponsor yields."

“The average would be… surgical assistants would receive 20 percent of that… that a surgeon… of what a surgeon would generally receive.”

“And they could be either em… if they are employees of the hospital, this legislation would not be important. But if they are independent and certified by the state, then it is important for their reimbursement needs.”

“Oh, most de… definitely. They would encourage this because, generally speaking, in our medical society, previous to the advancement of surgical assistants and surgical technologists, another physician… another MD surgeon would assist with the surgical procedure. And as you know, that would be rather cost prohibitive today. And, certainly, there are not sufficient MDs out there… or, surgeons to undertake the second position in a surgical procedure. So that’s where surgical assistants have been…”

“No, not with… nothing… not whatsoever.”

“Not whatsoever.”

“None.”

“None.”

“That is correct.”

“Generally speaking, a surgical assistant would either work for a physician or for a hospital. If they worked for a physician, they’re covered. If they’re independent, they… they need to be…”

“…insured…”

“…separately.”

“I don’t. I know that the Illinois Hospital Association supports this…”

“…the Illinois Medical Society. And the state did not indicate any interest, DPR had no interest in it.”

“No.”

“Thank you.”

“The question is, ‘Shall this Bill pass?’ Those in favor signify by voting ‘yes’; those opposed by voting ‘no’. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question, there are 112 people voting ‘yes’, 1 person voting ‘no’. This Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. If the Members would please remain in the chairs, we have two Members who, I believe, wish to speak toward events in Iraq. First, Mr. Brady. Mr. Brady.”

“Before we go to Representative ChapaLaVia, the Members should stay in their seats for just a few minutes after she finishes. So, Representative ChapaLaVia.”

“Mr. Black.”

Speaker Madigan: “Ladies and Gentlemen, on Tuesday, the following Bills, which are on the Order of Postponed Consideration, will be called. They’ll be called under an arrangement where there shall be one person for the Bill and one person against the Bill, and then we’ll go to Roll Call. The deadline for consideration of the Bills will be Tuesday. If they’re not called on Tuesday then they’ll go… they’ll be referred to the Rules Committee. So, that would be House Bill 198, House Bill 374, House Bill 485, House Bill 1489, House Bill 1507, House Bill 2356, House Bill 2818, House Bill 3048. These are the Bills which are on the Order of Postponed Consideration. They’ll be called on Tuesday for the last time. One for, one against, and then go to Roll Call. Representative Slone.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. For the purposes of an announcement. Just to remind the Members of the House Higher Education Appropriations Committee that we will be meeting with the University of Illinois at 9 o’clock Tuesday morning in Room, I believe, 114. Thank you.”

“Mr. Clerk, the Adjournment Resolution.”

“Representative Currie moves for the adoption of the Adjournment Resolution. Those in favor say ‘yes’; those opposed say ‘no’. The ‘ayes’ have. The Adjournment Resolution is adopted. The Chair recognizes Mr. Brauer.”

“Representative Currie moves that the House stand adjourned until Tuesday, April 8 at 1 p.m., providing perfunctory time for the Clerk. Those in favor say ‘aye’; those opposed say ‘no’. The ‘ayes’ have it. The House does stand adjourned until Tuesday, April 8 at 1 p.m., providing perfunctory time for the Clerk.”