Illinois House Floor Debate — May 20, 2004

“The hour of 10:30 having arrived the House will be in order. Will the Members please be in their chairs. Members and guests are asked to refrain from starting their laptops, turn off all cell phones and pagers and rise for the invocation and the Pledge of Allegiance. We’ll be led in prayer today by Sister Catherine Wellinghoff of Saint Paul’s Catholic Church in Johnston City, Illinois. Sister Catherine is the guest of Representative John Bradley.”

“Representative Bradley will lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance.” Bradley – et al: “I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.”

Speaker Hannig: “Roll Call for Attendance. Representative Currie.”

“Thank you, Speaker. Please let the record show that there are no excused absences among House Democrats.”

“Representative Bost.”

“Mr. Clerk, take the record. There are 118 Members answering the Roll Call, a quorum is present. Mr. Clerk, would you… Representative Cultra, for what reason do you rise?”

“State your point.”

“Representative Parke, for what reason do you rise?”

“Thank you, Representative.”

“Thank you, Representative Parke. And Mr. Clerk, do you have any Committee Reports?”

“On page 2 of the Calendar is House Bill 5252. Mr. Clerk, would you read the Bill.”

“And on the Amendment, Representative Lang is recognized.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Representative Granberg asked me to handle this for him. Amendment 1 deals with the Freedom of Information Act and it exempts from FOIAs inspection and copying requirements venture capital and private equity portfolio information of privately held companies possessed by a public body. Bottom line here is that in the process of a public body doing its work sometimes it needs to get proprietary information from these venture capital companies, but this is proprietary information and should not released to the general public. I know of no known opposition. At one point the press association was opposed, but they have reviewed their position and are now neutral on this. And we would ask for your support.”

“The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of Floor Amendment #1. Is there any discussion? Then all in favor of the Amendment say ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The ‘ayes’ have it. The Amendment is adopted. Any further Amendments?”

“Third Reading. On page 25 of the Calendar is House Bill 4099, on the Order of Concurrence. Representative Hamos. Is the Lady in the chamber? Representative Hamos is recognized on House Bill 4099.” 09300131.doc 6  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 131st Legislative Day 5/20/2004

“Thank you, Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen. I move to concur with Senate Amendment #1 to 4099. This is a very minor technical Amendment that was added in the Senate. And I move to concur.”

Speaker Hannig: “The Lady has moved to concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 4099. And on that question, the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Terry Parke.”

“Representative Parke, we will… we will make a ruling before we vote on the Bill.”

“The parliamentarian will take a look at it.”

“She indicates she’ll yield.”

“I don’t know, Representative, they haven’t talked to me at all. And really the concurrence on this Senate Amendment #1 is over really a one word typo that was inadvertently put in by LRB. So, we fought that out on the floor. And I don’t… they haven’t talked to me since then.” 09300131.doc 7  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 131st Legislative Day 5/20/2004

Speaker Hannig: “Mr. Clerk, why don’t you clarify for Representative Parke as to what Amendments the Senate sent us?”

“Just yeah… only… only one Senate Amendment #1, Representative Parke. And it’s really this very small typo. That’s all this is.”

“So, is there any further discussion? Okay. So, we’re still looking for a ruling on the number of 09300131.doc 8  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 131st Legislative Day 5/20/2004 votes, Representative Hamos, but why don’t you close on the Bill and then we’ll defer to the parliamentarian.”

“Thank you. Ladies and Gentlemen, again, this is a very small technical Amendment. It did pass… the Bill did pass the Senate by a vote of 45 to 11. They did consider this at great length in the Senate. And I urge an ‘aye’ vote.”

“Okay. Representative Parke.”

“Sixty votes.”

“Okay. So, the question is, ‘Shall the House concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 4099?’ All in favor vote ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The voting is open. This is final passage. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 70 voting ‘yes’, 48 voting ‘no’, and 0 voting ‘present’. And the House does concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 4099. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. O n page 13 of the Calendar, under the 09300131.doc 9  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 131st Legislative Day 5/20/2004 Order of Senate Bills-Third Reading, is Senate Bill 132. Representative Brady. Mr. Clerk, would you read the Bill.”

“Representative Brady.”

“The Gentleman has moved for passage of Senate Bill 132. Is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Parke.”

“He indicates he’ll yield.”

“Is there any further discussion? Then the question is, ‘Shall this Bill pass?’ All in favor vote ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 116 voting ‘yes’, 0 voting ‘no’, and 1 voting ‘present’. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Grunloh, would you like us to read Senate Bill 827? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill.”

“The Gentleman from Effingham, Representative Grunloh.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Yesterday we heard about Senate Bill 827 and what Senate Bill 827 does. I’m gonna summarize a little bit from yesterday and if somebody wants me to read the whole thing again, I will. But basically, let me talk about what it doesn’t do. Senate Bill 827 does not gut House Bill 211. It provides for insurance coverage for religious organizations and other people would have an objection to it to opt out of it. There are currently about 7 thousand employees in the State of Illinois right now that are being insured by Blue Cross Blue Shield that would no longer be able to buy that insurance. Blue Cross Blue Shield will no longer be able to provide it that insurance, they cannot 09300131.doc 11  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 131st Legislative Day 5/20/2004 opt out of that. The four insurance companies that have been named as insurance companies that can… can provide this coverage we have found that one of them is no longer in business. One of them is based in Peoria and is limited by that geographic area. The other two are probably not big enough to take care of the Chicago diocese and the Belleville diocese. So, we think that this is a fix to a… an unintended consequence of a Bill that passed last year. Clearly, the testimony that was given in the Bill last year indicated that this was not the intent and the Department of Insurance has clarified that over the summer. And we’re just trying to make a correction to the Bill. And I would be open to any questions.”

“The Gentleman has moved for passage of Senate Bill 827. And on that question, the Majority Leader, Representative Currie.”

“Thank you, Speaker and Members of the House. I rise in opposition to passage of Senate Bill 827. The measure that provided contraceptive equity contained a clear provision that would enable a religious organization to avoid the requirement of complying with that Act. All that organization has to do is work through a religious-based insurance company. There are such entities in the State of Illinois and that would’ve been a far preferable way for an employer who seeks to assert a religious or moral concern with this issue to go than to ask us to change the law. In addition, the way this Bill is drafted the definitions of religious and moral are missing, so it’s not at all clear 09300131.doc 12  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 131st Legislative Day 5/20/2004 who can take advantage of this… of this measure should it become law to avoid a responsibility to provide contraceptive coverage to employees. Third, in California there’s been a court ruling that says that the ‘right of conscience’, which is a right that we already have in Illinois Law, can be applied but it can’t be applied if the employer is not primarily engaged in religious activity in religious instruction. So, for example, a social service agency that hires people who are not necessarily of the same religion as the title of the organization, who do not share that view, should be entitled to the kinds of coverage that was… that was proposed when we adopted the Equity Act in the first place. I think this is poorly drafted. I think it’s constitutionally flawed. I think we will find ourselves subject to lawsuits if Senate Bill 827 is adopted. And finally, a religious organization that wants to hire a religious insurance company can avoid the requirement of compliance with the Equity Act and that option is available today in the State of Illinois.”

“The Lady from Cook, Representative Rosemary Mulligan.”

“He indicates he’ll yield.”

“Excuse me?”

“Yes.”

“It specifically deals with employers that deal with religious objections to it. And ya know, the reference to the people that they can buy it from, the other organizations they can buy insurance from, there are only three of them out there. One of them does not sell outside of the Peoria geographic area and the other two…”

“Please ask your question again.”

“It affects more than this one group, but what the intent is, the intent was supposed to be is not to exclude this group out, but that’s exactly what has happened. This group can no longer buy the insurance from Blue Cross Blue Shield. This… the Department of Insurance has determined this summer that they cannot do that and it is going to cause them a great hardship and probably maybe cause them to drop some of their insurance coverage.”

“I believe that we should not legislate a… an… a single group out to make them pay more for insurance coverage than anyone else.”

“The Lady from Cook, Representative Graham.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?”

“He indicates he’ll yield.”

“Representative Grunloh, are you aware that women are sometimes prescribed a contraceptive birth control to control other illnesses that they may have?”

“Yes, I am.”

“Okay. Under this piece of legislation would that prohibit a doctor from prescribing birth control pills to control endometriosis or some other illnesses that doctors prescribe birth control pills to control it?”

“I believe that it would pro… it would… it would prohibit contra….”

“I didn’t hear that.”

“I believe that it would prohibit contraceptive care for these organizations that opt out of it.”

“Okay. So, you’re saying, yes. You’re saying, yes…”

“Yes.”

“…you cannot prescribe birth control pills for a woman who is suffering from endometriosis, which is a backup of blood making cysts in her uterus area. So, you’re saying that she can no longer get that simple therapy to correct a major health problem in her body? She can no longer receive that through the form of simple… she would have to 09300131.doc 17  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 131st Legislative Day 5/20/2004 opt out and get the surgery or some other major treatment for a si… for an illness?”

“If the doctor prescribed the medication for that purpose she would be able to get it, she would have to be… she would have to pay for it on her own. It would not be covered under the policy.”

“So, you’re… I know you’re saying it’s not, but under the Bill that we passed before, a woman would be able to receive the birth control pills to control that illness, but you’re taking that option away which is a minor way… which is at least… least cost effective way to manage a major illness. So, now you’re telling a woman she has to go under the knife or some other major treatment that could cause other problems when she can treat her illness with birth control pills?”

“Under this new Bill, if the insurance company is claims conscience or the policyholder is claims conscience, she’s not gonna get that coverage anyway.”

“I… I… wait, I didn’t hear what you said. You’re… you’re… I can’t hear you.”

“Under this Bill, if the insurance company would not provide that coverage, I mean, ya know, if they claim it conscience… under the ‘right of conscience’ clause they would not receive it anyway.”

“I don’t understand where conscience….”

“So now… so now this gives the employer the ability to do that.” 09300131.doc 18  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 131st Legislative Day 5/20/2004

“Under the Bill that was passed, Representative Grunloh, we… the women could receive contraceptive treatment for that sort of illness, but under your Bill it would block the women from receiving that simple treatment for major illness. That would. That is the case with your Bill.”

“Yes.”

“I stand in strong opposition to this Bill. We fought so hard before to get contraceptives covered for women. Insurance plans currently cover Viagra and other things that help stimulate men and give them the kind of satisfaction and protection that they need, but women are asking for that same consideration. Why is it such a big deal for a woman to take of her choosing, if she chooses to, to take birth control pills. This is such a one-sided issue. Mr. Speaker, if this Bill should receive the required number of votes, I ask for a verification.”

“Okay, and it will be granted, Representative. Representative Eileen Lyons.” Lyons, E.: “Thank you, Mr. Speaker. To the Bill. I would like to clarify some of the questions that were raised by previous speakers. One of them was, why does the Bill not define religious organizations and the threat that we will use religious organization found in California law. The language used in this Bill is already found in Illinois Statute. The In Vitro Fertilization Act has this exact language in it exempting religious organizations. This exact language has been in Illinois law for over ten years 09300131.doc 19  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 131st Legislative Day 5/20/2004 and it has not been abused. There is no reason to believe anything would change now. The definition of religious organization in California law is so limited Mother Teresa’s groups or religious sisters would not qualify as a religious entity. Another question that was raised is, why can’t we lose… we use religious organizations that are existing, the four existing religious care health plans. The Catholic HMO in Chicago is defunct, it does not exist. The Catholic HMO in Peoria is geographically limited and does not provide coverage outside of the Peoria area. There may be a Jewish HMO which could not meet all the need out there. And we are unable to find this fourth religious HMO. There is no cult to restrict religious organizations in this fashion. I’d like to point out how many employees would be affected. If Senate Bill 182… 827 does not pass, approximately 7 thousand to 8 thousand employees of religious organizations around the state will lose their HMO coverage. This Bill does not, as some have implied, impose anyone’s beliefs on anyone else. We simply wish to correct a problem that was never intended. And I would urge your ‘aye’ vote.”

“The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Lang.”

“Thank you. Will the Sponsor yield?”

“He indicates he’ll yield.”

“Representative, I know this is important to you, but I’m trying to find out why you think we really need this. So, correct me if I’m wrong, but do we not have several insurance companies today in Illinois that sell policies 09300131.doc 20  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 131st Legislative Day 5/20/2004 without contraceptive coverage because they have invoked the right to conscience?”

“We have, I think, three in the state and one of those is based in Peoria and they do not go outside of that geographical area. The other two are not large enough companies to… to take care of the needs of the archdiocese of Chicago or the arc… or the diocese of Belleville, the 7 thousand people that are currently being affected by this.”

“Well, are you telling us that there are insurance companies in Illinois who are rejecting business because they don’t think they’re big enough to handle the business?” Grunloh: I’m telling you that the companies that now provide this would not be big enough to do that, yes.”

“Do we have any statements from them? Did they testify? Do we have any affidavits to that effect from them?”

“No, I’m not aware of any.”

“Did you… did you personally talk to the…”

“That was a point made by the Department of Insurance.”

“So, you have… you have not personally investigated whether these insurance companies can or cannot deal with the needs of the archdiocese?”

“I have not.”

“Has there been any effort to bring other insurers into Illinois to deal with this situation?”

“Not that I’m aware of. Right now, Blue Cross Blue Shield is… is the carrier for, ya know, the archdiocese and 09300131.doc 21  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 131st Legislative Day 5/20/2004 that’s why we’re trying to remedy this with this Bill. And that was the intent of 211 a year ago, so….”

“Well, let me ask another question then, in a different direction. I understand that there are folks in Illinois who aren’t for abortion; I understand there are folks in Illinois who are not pro-choice; I understand there are folks in Illinois who wouldn’t necessarily want this coverage in their insurance. But there’s a lot of coverage in your insurance, my insurance, all of our insurances we never use. What really is the difference whether it’s in the policy, if you don’t use the coverage? So, I may have mental health coverage in my policy, so whether I use it or not is my business. What is the difference whether it’s in the policy or not?”

“This is an employer’s choice and not a individual’s choice. If a… if an employer has a moral conscience objection to providing this coverage, that’s what this is dealing with.”

“So, this Bill would provide that an employer could say to an insurance company, who is currently required to provide contraceptive coverage under the Act, that we don’t want that coverage, don’t put it in our policy ‘cause we’re not paying for it?”

“Only if they have religious bylaws or are a religious organization, yes.”

“Well, how is a religious organization defined in your Bill?” 09300131.doc 22  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 131st Legislative Day 5/20/2004

“It’s… it’s not closely defined, but it is defined as religious organizations or….”

“Well, if it… if it… if it isn’t closely defined then how are we, how are insurance companies, how are courts supposed to determine what that means? Would it be any organization with a religious word in it? Would it be any organization that has the word ‘God’ in their title or Jewish or Catholic or Baptist? Would it be any organization that purports to be involved in any religion in any way, shape or form?”

“Well, Representative, last year during the debate on 211 it was… it was said that… that these opt… these religious organizations would have the opportunity to opt out of this. So, I guess, ya know, now it’s the same definition. Ya know, the Department of Insurance has came and said these people can no longer… these insurance companies cannot opt out of this insurance. So, ya know, I think the definition has been defined by the Department of Insurance.”

“Well, let me… I’m not quite sure I’m understanding the… the real need for this. Isn’t it… wouldn’t part of the real need for this just simply be that there are those who are so opposed to contraception, so opposed to abortion that they simply don’t wanna be dealing with it, they don’t wanna actually read the words whether they use this coverage or not and/or isn’t this simply a cost saving device?” 09300131.doc 23  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 131st Legislative Day 5/20/2004

“Well, I think the reality of this is, is that most people that work for a Catholic diocese, for instance, would work for that organization knowing that they’re, ya know, they’re not interested in this coverage to start with and they’re morally opposed to it and now they are being forced… it is being forced upon them. Ya know, I’ve had somebody come in my office and tell me that they were going to drop their insurance coverage because they were paying for this coverage. They didn’t want to pay for it, so they dropped their insurance. They no longer have health insurance, they were so opposed to being mandated to pay for this.”

“If there was a sect of people, call it a religious sect or other, who is morally opposed to mental health coverage, morally opposed to coverage for cancer treatment, morally opposed to coverage for a broken leg, morally opposed to x-rays, morally opposed to anything that’s in a standard health insurance policy that most of us have, would you think it would be appropriate then to… to allow policies… to allow employers to opt out of the law of the State of Illinois?”

“Well, I think all of the things that you just mentioned do not deal with religious objection and that’s not what we’re talking about anyway, we’re talking about…”

“But what if one did?”

“Well, I guess that….”

“What if the Catholic Church got up tomorrow morning and decided that they’re against mental health coverage.” 09300131.doc 24  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 131st Legislative Day 5/20/2004

“If you decide….”

“Should we then have a Bill that deals with that?”

“If you decided you wanted to introduce that Bill, ya know, I guess you would stand up and introduce it the same way I’m introducing this one. So, I… I think we’re talking about apples and oranges, but….”

“Thank you. Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen, to the Bill. I… there are so many things wrong with this legislation that it… I’m not quite sure where to start. If… it seems to me that we’re going really back here to the same old debate we wanna have here in the Illinois House from time to time about choice, about contraception. It can be cloaked, my good friend, Mr. Grunloh, who is my good friend who I disagree with on this Bill, we’re gonna cloak it in religious objection when it really is well beyond religious objection. It’s just that some people don’t wanna read these words in their insurance policies. There is much opportunity if there are so many hordes of people and employers that wanna do away with this coverage they can be self-insured, they can start their own insurance pool, they can do all sorts of things. They can find ways to convince the current insurance companies in Illinois, who offer the kind of policies they’re looking for, to broaden their horizons. There’s been no showing that any of that has been done. But perhaps most critically it seems to me is that there’s really no good definition in this Bill of what a religious institution is. We could find all sorts of organizations with a religious sounding 09300131.doc 25  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 131st Legislative Day 5/20/2004 word in the title of their organization to then say they are the kind of religious institution that Mr. Grunloh’s referring to and we could have people opting out of this coverage all over the place. If the goal is to go back and debate whether there should be contraceptive coverage, then let’s not cloak it in this kind of Bill. Let somebody propose the kind of legislation that would have a straightforward debate on the floor of the House regarding whether we should have contraceptive coverage in the State of Illinois. We’ve been through that debate, however, very recently. And in that debate, this Body, the Body across the rotunda and with the Governor’s signature we decided that we should have this coverage in Illinois insurance policies. What we’re doing here today is an attempt with a very vague piece of legislation because none of us really know who it applies to except the specific notion that it applies to the Catholic Church but without any discussion of who else might be interested in it and who else it applies to. We’re in the process today of undercutting a law we passed a year ago. I don’t think that’s what we ought to be all about here, especially when there’s been no showing whatsoever by the proponents that they’ve dotted all the i’s and crossed all the t’s in an effort to use the current law and the Right of Conscience Act to accomplish their goals. I would recommend ‘no’ votes.”

“The Gentleman from Vermilion, Representative Black.” 09300131.doc 26  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 131st Legislative Day 5/20/2004

Speaker Hannig: “The Gentleman from Fulton, Representative Smith.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I move the previous question.”

“The Gentleman moves the previous question. The question is, ‘Shall the main question be put?’ All in favor say ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The ‘ayes’ have it. The main question is put. Representative Grunloh to close.”

“Mr. Speaker, I would just ask for an ‘aye’ vote. I think the… the unintended cause of 211 is corrected by this 09300131.doc 29  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 131st Legislative Day 5/20/2004 Bill. And again, I would ask for your ‘aye’ vote. Thank you.”

“So, the question is, ‘Shall Senate Bill 827 pass?’ All in favor vote ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? There’s been a request for a verification, so please vote your own switch. Have all voted who witch… wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 63 voting ‘yes’, and 53 voting ‘no’. Representative Graham has asked for a verification. Would the Clerk poll those Members voting in the affirmative.”

Speaker Hannig: “Representative Graham, do you have any questions of those voting in the affirmative?”

“Mike McAuliffe.” 09300131.doc 30  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 131st Legislative Day 5/20/2004

Speaker Hannig: “Representative McAuliffe. Representative McAuliffe. Is the Gentleman in the chamber? Mr. Clerk, how is he recorded?”

Speaker Hannig: “Have him removed. Representative… Representative Black is asking leave to be verified. Representative Graham, would you acknowledge his presence?”

“Yes, if he’s here.”

“Okay. Representative Black. Do you have any further?”

“Representative Brauer.”

“Representative Brauer is in his seat.”

“Representative Meyer.”

“Which Representative Meyer?”

“Jim Meyer.”

“It appears they’re both there.”

“Jim Meyer.”

“It appears both Representative Meyers (sic- Meyer and Myers) are there.”

“Okay. Churchill. Representative Churchill.”

“Representative Churchill is in his seat.”

“Okay. Representative Flowers.”

“Did you say Representative Flowers? Okay. She’s… she’s over near…”

“Oh, okay. All right. I’m not done yet. Okay.”

“Representative McAuliffe has returned to the chamber. Mr. Clerk, reinstate him… his vote.” 09300131.doc 31  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 131st Legislative Day 5/20/2004

“That’s it, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.”

“Okay. And so, on this question, there are 63 voting ‘yes’, 53 voting ‘no’, and 2 voting ‘present’. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Colvin, for what reason do you rise?”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This morning the Illinois Legislative Black Caucus had a meeting with individuals from a new organization, it’s been in existence for a little over a year, the Illinois State Black Chamber of Commerce and we had a very good and productive conversation and discussion about the state of minority business opportunities in the State of Illinois. And we’re joined today by the president of that organization, Mr. Larry Ivory, and several members representing chambers from around the state. They’re in the gallery. Would you please help me welcome them to Springfield?”

“Welcome to Springfield. And Representative Young is recognized for an announcement.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There’ll be a Democratic Caucus in Room 114 immediately. There will be a Democratic Caucus in Room 114 immediately.”

“And Representative Brady.”

“So, the House will stand at ease while the respective parties have their caucuses.” 09300131.doc 32  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 131st Legislative Day 5/20/2004

“Okay, so the… the House will be in order. We’re ready to reconvene and the first Order of Business is House Resolution 855. Mr. Clerk, would you read the Resolution?”

“And on the Resolution, the Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Sangamon, Representative Poe.”

“And on the Resolution, the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Morrow.”

“Yes. Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Normally I wouldn’t rise to talk on this type of Resolution, but as appropriation chairman of Public Safety the budget of the military comes through my committee. And I’m honored that we have a Adjutant General, a real General, General Thomas that has uplifted the morale of the Illinois National Guard. You know, past… well, at… I’ll be remiss if I did not mention a former Member who was an Adjutant General, David Harris, who began to change the morale at the National Guard because in several years past the National Guard’s morale was at a low peak. You know, one… one of the Colonels or Brigadier Generals went to jail because of some misdeeds while he was in… in service of the Illinois National Guard. Morrow… Morale was at its lowest and I’m glad to see that under General Thomas morale has increased and it’s an… it’s an honor for me to show our concern for these survivors coming back because, you know, it seems like every week in almost of the last year we’ve had to honor a fallen soldier. So it’s an honor to see that we are respecting and honoring those who have fought to… and… and… protected our rights and who were lucky enough to make it back home. It’s… 09300131.doc 36  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 131st Legislative Day 5/20/2004 it’s… it’s… I am not a veteran. My father served in the Korea War. One of my best friend’s father is an original Tuskegee Airman, Colonel Bill Thompson. So, it’s… I have one of the largest African-American veteran groups in my district, Montford Point Marines. So, I take pride in the military of this country and it’s an honor that my name is on House Resolution 855.”

Speaker Hannig: “The Gentleman from Menard, Representative Brauer.”

“Is there any further discussion? Then the question is, ‘Shall the Resolution be adopted?’ All in favor say ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The ‘ayes’ have it. And the Resolution is adopted. Representative… Representative Parke, for what reason do you rise?”

“Yes, Representative, the House will reconvene next Monday afternoon and we would… we need to be prepared to stay for the rest of the month.”

“Yes, that’s correct.”

“I’m advised that it’s 4:00.”

“Representative McAuliffe, for what reason do you rise?”

“Happy birthday, Representative. Mr. Clerk, Committee Reports.”

“Mr. Clerk, on the… on… on page 13, on the Order of Senate Bills-Third Reading, is Senate Bill 1006. Would you read the Bill, please?”

Speaker Hannig: “The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Miller.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Senate Bill 1006 basically allows for the construction of a development in the community of Ford Heights. And at the end of the completion of the project then a ski slope will be made. It’s an economic development project that is… is wanted in my community. And I ask for favorable votes.”

“Gentleman has moved for passage of Senate Bill 1006. And on that question, the birthday boy from Cook, Representative Saviano.”

“The Gentleman from Vermilion, Representative Black.”

“He indicates he’ll yield.”

“Well, I think it… they’re opposed because… I have… they have not spoken to me directly about it, but I think it’s because it extends the height in which the developer can create the landfill.”

“They have… they have not spoken to me directly.”

“To the Bill.”

“Representative Granberg.”

“Will the a… will the Gentleman yield?”

“He indicates he’ll yield.”

“Representative Miller, I understand what you’re attempting to do in terms of economic development, but let me see if I understand this correctly. When I looked at the Bill last week, is there a height limitation for the amount of construction waste that can be placed on the ground at this site?”

“No.”

“So… And the waste that’s going to be put on the site can be REBAR, concrete, plumbing equipment, electrical…?”

“No, my understanding is that it’s clean and construction or demolition debris. So, for instance, when they reconstruct the Dan Ryan Expressway the debris that will be shipped to this area.”

“Okay. Yeah, when I looked at the Bill though, Representative, I thought I had seen in there that the construction would not… the waste would not necessarily be limited to construction waste but you could also have plumbing eq… in there, as well, and different other types wastes.”

“That’s not my understanding.” 09300131.doc 41  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 131st Legislative Day 5/20/2004

“Representative, indulge me. I’m gonna get the file ‘cause I wanna look at the language ‘cause I thought I remembered that. But when you do this site, you would allow this waste to be placed on this site, there would be no height limitation whatsoever. So, they could go five hundred feet, a thousand feet?”

“Well, the intention of the project is after this is constructed is to build a ski slope for the area. Not only during the… for the placement of the debris is there the city will receive economic dollars, but the end monies will be placed in an escrow so it can be turned into something that can be enjoyable and recreational for the citizens of Ford Heights. I think, where I grew up in Evanston there is a Mount Trashmore that may have been a similar issue similar to this.”

“But there is no height limitation on how much debris can be put at that site?”

“I didn’t… That is correct, however, the… as far as the leveling off of the… of the material, the construction debris, still it would have to be fulfilled within EPA… Illinois State… Illinois EPA requirements.”

“Okay. Representative, I’m looking at the Bill and on the fi… on page 1, Section 3.160, subsection (a), ‘general construction or demolition debris’ means uncontaminated materials resulting from construction, remodeling, repair limited to the following: bricks, concrete, masonry, soil, rock, wood, nonhazardous painted, treated, and coated wood, wood products, wall coverings, 09300131.doc 42  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 131st Legislative Day 5/20/2004 plaster, drywall, plumbing fixtures, insulation, roofing shingles, reclaimed asphalt pavement, glass, plastics. But… so, it does contain a little bit more than construction debris, I believe.”

“Okay.”

“Representative, so the plan would be for this construct… or for this site for the materials to be placed on the ground with no height limitation and at some day in the future a ski slope would be built upon that site. Is that correct?”

“That is correct. That is correct.”

“And is there a deadline when that ski slope would be… would be completed?”

“No, there is no deadline for the ski scope to be completed… ski slope to be completed, however, there is the funds in escrow to be able to complete the project once it’s… once the… the fill is done.”

“I did not notice in the Bill where they had a bond placed up front before the debris would be placed on the ground. Can you show… can you just tell me on what page and what paragraph that is and what the amount of the bond is?”

“Well, the… I don’t think there is a bond, but I do have an agreement between the Village of Ford Heights and the developers who wanna do this in my hand.”

“And what is the amount that the developer has to place in escrow before he is allowed… he or she is allowed to dump on this site?” 09300131.doc 43  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 131st Legislative Day 5/20/2004

“The escrow amount is a thousand dollars initial fund. But it’s percentages of what is dumped, so within a year that fund could be a hundred thousand dollars. One percent, I believe of the fund of what they collect, part of the fund… one percent of the gross escrow goes to that, so that’s between a hundred… maybe a hundred thousand. So, within the time frame this should be… they should have more than enough money to complete the… the….”

“Well, what I’m… what I’m trying to address, David, is if they put a thousand dollars up front before they start putting all this material and debris on the ground and there’s no height limitation, there’s no date limitation, there’s no restriction on how large this could be or what could be placed on it. And you’re assuming and maybe rightfully so, that there will be funds adequate to address this situation whenever that day comes, it may be ten years, twenty years, thirty years. Because what would happen if that contractor, in fact, does not make it a ski slope, what, in fact, he or she goes bankrupt and doesn’t have the monetary means afforded to them to pave or cover the site with the required amount of clay or other materials?”

“Well, the estimate within one year is… within three years it would… it was well in enough the amount of monies that would create a site. So, even with the monies that would be put aside there is still enough funding available for it, so….” 09300131.doc 44  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 131st Legislative Day 5/20/2004

“Well, how much are they… they charging for the operator to dump this debris on the ground?”

“Give me one second.”

“That’s all right.”

“What was the question, Kurt?”

“Representative….”

“The agreement… the agreement between the developer issues a two dollar fee for the tractor trailer with additional funds to go aside, so.”

“Two dollars a tractor trailer load for the debris.”

“A semi-trailer… semi-tractor trailer truckload of material to be brought on site, with an additional dollar per truckload is received by the village under this agreement.”

“And if your staff could ask… Let me ask this question, see if your staff can assist. What is the normal amount paid for tipping fees for garbage? Is that done by ton or truckload?”

“I… I don’t know.”

“Well, it’s my understanding, Representative, in fact, the… the charge that the village that the contract they’ve entered into for the two dollars a truckload is substantially less than what is normally charged just for garbage.”

“Well, I don’t think… I don’t think this legislation precludes any further agreements between that Village of Ford Heights and the developer to increase the fee. I mean, I wasn’t a part of that… that discussion on that. 09300131.doc 45  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 131st Legislative Day 5/20/2004 But according to the estimates that I’ve received that once again they would have enough funds in order to turn the site into a ski slope.”

“Okay. Well, thank you, Representative. Mr. Speaker, to the Bill. And with all due respect to my good friend, Representative Miller, I know they’re trying to do something for economic development, but I’m just a little hesitant to give anyone, anywhere, whether it’s my district or some place else, the ability to dump waste and debris in an unlimited amount, with no height restriction, no date restriction, because the developer, potentially, and I think it happened during Silver Shovel, where they didn’t have any money available at the end to actually clean the site or to prepare the site for the environment. So, we’re setting a precedent here that there are no restrictions whatsoever on the dumping in terms of height and/or time period. So, I respectfully rise in opposition to the Bill.”

“Representative Winters.”

"Yeah, what I’m sayin’ is, I wasn’t a part of negotiations on the… on the issuance of the fees of… of them putting it here. So, I….”

"Well, I don’t think it’s… it’s really doing so much for one company and in… I think it’s more for economic development in the poorest community in Cook County, arguably one of the poorest communities in the state.”

"Well, that’s why I’m glad you mentioned that because part of the agreement, according to the… the village and also the developers, is the fact that set-aside monies on this would be able to cover the cost of the ski slope… ski slope within one year.”

Speaker Hannig: “The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Fritchey.”

“Thank you, Speaker. To the Bill. Ladies and Gentlemen, part of the reason we’re all here is to try to advocate for our district. The Representative has put a 09300131.doc 48  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 131st Legislative Day 5/20/2004 lot of time and his colleagues from the region have put a lot of time into advocating for their district. Like many of you, I have a strong pro environmental record. But this is a project where they are trying to take lemons and make it into lemonade. They are trying to take a landfill and rather than do something behind closed doors and through backroom deals, as have been done with landfills in the past that we know about, especially in Chicago, they’ve come through the front door and they’ve said, ‘we’ve got an idea. We’ve got a creative solution to an unsightly problem.’ Rather than condemn my seatmate here, I commend him and his colleagues who have worked for this. I commend his local officials that have worked for this. Folks, at onetime or another we are all gonna come before this Body and ask for a project that helps our economic development, our districts. It doesn’t jeopardize anybody else’s district, it doesn’t set a precedent, it doesn’t harm anybody else. It’s something that is good for their locality. That’s what he’s supposed to be down here doing and that’s what he’s doing. I hope that you’ll support him in that endeavor and the rest of his colleagues. Vote ‘aye’. Thank you.”

"Representative Meyer.”

"Representative Reitz.”

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I move the previous question.”

"The Gentleman moves the previous question. The question is, ‘Shall the main question be put?’ All in favor say ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The ‘ayes’ have it. The main question is put and Representative Miller is recognized to close.”

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This… this Bill is important to my district and I just want to make a few points very clear. That the Village of Ford Heights is considered one of the poorest communities in… in Cook County, if not the state, will receive additional dollars from each of the times… one of these trucks… relieve… put the debris at the site. This is 09300131.doc 50  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 131st Legislative Day 5/20/2004 from… dirt from one place, Dan Ryan, Kingery, whatever, to another. The intention is not to put any types of… all… what kind of products on there. So, not in… only in addition to the Village of Ford Heights receiving funds, but also there are monies put aside to do, once this project is complete, that it will be turned into a ski slope. This is economic development. This… this particular Bill is dealt in specific in an enterprise zone in a low-income community. I would ask for a favorable vote.”

Speaker Hannig: "The question is, ‘Shall Senate Bill 1006 pass?’ All in favor vote ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 70 voting ‘yes’ and 44 voting ‘no’, 2 voting ‘present’. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Black, for what reason do you rise?”

"Proceed, Representative.”

“On page 13 of the Calendar is Senate Bill 1631. Mr. Clerk, would you read the Bill?”

“Representative Smith.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen. This is a clean up legislation for a Bill that we passed in 1999 that had unintended consequences for property that the Metropolitan Water Reclamation District owns outside of Cook County. This would simply clarify that the provisions we made in 1999 regarding to their property in Cook County being exempt from property taxes does not apply to other property that the district owns. That would be in Dupage, 09300131.doc 52  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 131st Legislative Day 5/20/2004 Will, and Fulton counties. I know of no opposition. The… the water district is, I believe, neutral on this. It has had quite an impact on my district as well as Representative Hassert’s and I would ask for your favorable consideration.”

“Representative Hassert.”

“Is there any further discussion? Then the… Representative Smith to close.”

“Thank you. I’d just ask for an ‘aye’ vote.”

“Okay. The question is, ‘Shall Senate Bill 1631 pass?’ All in favor vote ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk… Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 114 voting ‘yes’ and 1 voting ‘no’. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Mr. Clerk, would you read Senate Bill 2175?”

“Representative… Representative Jakobsson, for what reason do you rise?” 09300131.doc 53  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 131st Legislative Day 5/20/2004

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Please let the record reflect that on the last vote my button just wasn’t working and I was pressing ‘yes’.”

“Okay. And the record will so reflect. And Representative Ryg on Senate Bill 2175.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Senate Bill 2175 amends the Municipal Code to provide statutory authority in two areas. First, it allows a property owner of a split residential lot that is platted in zoned residential to petition the court to allow the disconnection of a portion of the lot, so the entire lot is under one jurisdiction. The language for this legislation was negotiated and is now agreed to by all parties who had expressed concerns including the Illinois Municipal League and the Illinois Association of Realtors. The second provision of the legislation provides that a city council, in cities with populations less than 50 thousand, may, by ordinance, provide that the city council shall consist of six instead of four councilmen, and sets out the steps for the election of a larger city council. This legislation is presented to preclude violations of the Open Meetings Act and is supported by the Illinois Municipal League and the Illinois Press Association. This is the product of a major collaborative effort and I appreciate the consider… consideration and cooperation of my colleagues and their staffs from the other side of the aisle.”

“The Lady has moved for passage of Senate Bill 2175. Is there any discussion? Then the question is, 09300131.doc 54  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 131st Legislative Day 5/20/2004 ‘Shall this Bill pass?’ All in favor vote ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk… Representative Osterman, would you like to be recorded? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 115 voting ‘yes’ and 1 voting ‘no’. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Mr. Clerk, would you read Senate Bill 2215?”

“Representative Gordon.”

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen, Senate Bill 2215 amends the State Finax… Finance Act by prohibiting the transfer of any funds from the Road Fund or the State Construction Account Fund. I urge an ‘aye’ vote.”

“The Lady moves for passage of Senate Bill 2215 and on that question, the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Parke.”

“She indicates she’ll yield.”

"Yes, Representative. It… as amended, the Amendment became the Bill. It eliminates the 5 percent administrative Road Fund diversion that was enacted last spring. This… there’s a provision that allows the director of the Governor’s Office of Management and Budget… from time to time they direct the State Treasurer and State Comptroller to transfer specified sums from any fund held by the State Treasurer to the GRF in order to help with the state’s operating costs for the fiscal year. Last year this… this went through and it took money out of the Road Fund. If this Bill passes, it will restore a hundred and forty million dollars for use in the state’s Road Fund program. It will als… if what… with what happened last year, Illinois workers lost more than thirty-eight thousand jobs.”

"I don’t believe so.”

"Yes, Sir.”

"It eliminates the 5 perc… the 5 percent administrative Road Fund diversion. So, it… it doesn’t take money out of the Road Fund.” 09300131.doc 56  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 131st Legislative Day 5/20/2004

"No, I mean you can always try, you know, do legislation like there was last year I guess, but as of this point, hopefully with an ‘aye’ vote on this Bill that won’t happen.”

Speaker Hannig: “The Gentleman from Madison, Representative Hoffman.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. To the Bill. Just… for the Members on our side of the aisle and the other side of the aisle. As you know, the Legislative Leaders are currently meeting, I believe, with the Governor to discuss the budget. For years, several years now, we have used Road Funds for thing… things such as State Police, for helping pay Secretary of State Police. We don’t like… I don’t like, as a downstater and chairman of the Transportation Committee, to divert Road Fund money, but we have to be 09300131.doc 57  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 131st Legislative Day 5/20/2004 able to balance the budget. We’ve been able to use a limited amount of Road Fund money, over the years, to balance the budget. If this said that we would be required at some later date and we did divert to pay it back when we have adequate General Revenue Fund, I’d be for that. However, I think simp… since we are trying to balance the budget, trying to move forward and trying to insure that we have a balanced budget, I reluctantly rise and ask for a ‘no’ vote.”

“The gentleman from Vermilion, Representative Black.”

“Representative Davis, Will Davis.” Davis, W.: “Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Sponsor yield?”

“She indicates she’ll yield.” Davis, W.: “Representative, can you tell me exactly how much money is in the Road Fund?”

"I don’t have that information.” Davis, W.: “Excuse me?”

"I don’t have that information.” Davis, W.: “Oh, okay. Well, let me enlighten you then. It’s my understanding that the Road Fund has quite a bit of money in it, and you indicated that… that there was a loss of thirty-eight thousand jobs as a result of what, Representative?”

"Thirty-eight…. Diversions from the Road Fund have cost Illinois workers more than thirty-eight thousand jobs.” Davis, W.: “Does that mean that the money that was taken out of the Road Fund completely depleted the Road Fund, that there were no funds to complete projects with?”

"I’m pretty sure that’s correct.” Davis, W.: “Okay. So, the Road Fund is zero now?”

"No. I don’t… I don’t… I don’t have the exact numbers that are in… that were in the Road Fund, Representative.” 09300131.doc 59  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 131st Legislative Day 5/20/2004 Davis, W.: “Okay. Well, then just let me say, to the Bill, Mr. Speaker. Let me say, it’s my understanding that the Road Fund has quite a bit of money in it. And if your statement about having lost thirty-eight thousand jobs because of diversions is correct, that means there is absolutely no money in the Road Fund and I would have to disagree with that statement. And it’s not that there is not a lack of road projects that that money could be going to, and I don’t understand what the rationale is for road projects being done. I’ve got a major road project in my district that I would love to see some of that money go toward. And if you’re talking about the diversion of monies from the Road Fund and you can’t tell me how much money is in the Road Fund, then I… I’ve got some… got some issues with your ability to carry this piece of legislation. I can’t say that I would vote for it right now, but I would love to have the opportunity to take some of the money in that Road Fund and move it into my district. Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.”

“Representative Stephens.”

Speaker Hannig: “The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Colvin.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. To the Bill. I certainly agree with my colleague and I have much respect for her in that good roads in Illinois, like good roads in most of America, are essential to our commerce, travel and what have you. The only problem I’ve had here is the fact that we take one portion of our entire state’s budget… our entire state’s appropriation and handcuff the Chief Executer of the state, whomever it may be, and say, regardless of what we struggle with in the State of Illinois, this is a portion that’s off the table. It 09300131.doc 61  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 131st Legislative Day 5/20/2004 becomes the Holy Grail of the State Government, that it can’t be touched for any other purpose but. Now, here we are, 2004, struggling to meet the state’s obligations. There are prisons being closed in the State of Illinois. There are Medicaid problems in Illinois, public aid problems and we’re trying to find dollars to protect all these vulnerable programs in the State of Illinois, but at the same time in a program that funded fully every year, not spent fully every year, and say that this no longer can be part of the equation in which we attempt to balance the budget. Good roads in America is about interstate commerce and travel and anyone who’s even vaguely familiar with the law knows that the law is to protect interstate commerce with respect to our federal highway system are principle. Many laws have been made based on those principles. So, in a year where we continue to struggle, however, dealing with all of the programs that many of us are down here trying to advocate and protect, to say that we can no longer even put this on the table and discuss it in good faith, I think is a little reckless. Because the decision only impacts this year, but your vote on this program will impact years to come and once we go down this road it’ll be hard to ever turn around and go back. So, I would respectfully ask those individuals, my colleagues, who understand the problems of trying to face budget deficits, not just in 2004 but maybe in 2014, that you respectively vote ‘present’ on this Bill. Thank you.”

“Representative Jerry Mitchell.” 09300131.doc 62  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 131st Legislative Day 5/20/2004 Mitchell, J.: “Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As my colleague, Representative Stephens, said, he couldn’t believe what he just heard, I just can’t believe what I just heard. Number one, once the budget is set and the determine is made how much money goes into the Road Fund that’s a promise to the people all over the state of Illinois. The raiding of the Road Fund comes afterwards. What the Lady’s trying to do is to help people keep their promises. Now, let’s say everything is fair and on the table, then the Mass Transit Fund should also be raided. Let’s move some of that money into the Road Fund. And if you think that it doesn’t affect the whole state, you’re mistaken. That kind of a slip is necessary. Bad roads mean… poor jobs means a loss of jobs, it means that people could be hurt or injured, you can’t even get to a hospital in an emergency if you can’t get through the road construction. If projects have to be stopped before they’re finished, it hurts us all. I mean, let’s use a little bit of intelligence in this thing, folks. Once the budget is set, the money is promised to go somewhere. You don’t come back later and raid it saying, ‘oh, I’m sorry, I need this for something else’. We don’t go to Mass Transit and say, we need your money, thank you very much, let’s put that into the downstate Road Fund for instance. We don’t go to the Toll Highway Authority and say, ‘I know that you… you take your money for tolls to use it for roads, but we need it for something else’. So, let’s move that money in. Fair is fair. Vote for the Lady’s Bill. This practice is unconscionable. Thank you.” 09300131.doc 63  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 131st Legislative Day 5/20/2004

“Representative Mulligan.”

“Representative Gordon to close.” 09300131.doc 64  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 131st Legislative Day 5/20/2004

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen, this Bill is good law. This Bill puts the decision of how the Road Funds are used in the hands of the Legislature once again, not to the Office of Management and Budget. If the General Assembly wants to divert the Road Funds, then the General Assembly can vote on it. That’s not the case right now. Let me tell you, I have the honor and privilege of standing in this Body and representing Grundy County. It is my home county. I have lived there my entire life, except for when I went to college and law school. That also gives me the county with the highest unemployment rate in the State of Illinois. Over half of that is due to… over half of those unemployed are labor. I meet with my labor advisory committee, I say, ‘tell me about jobs, let’s talk about this’, and they say, ‘stop raiding the Road Fund’. I stand here representing my district, with this Bill, and I urge an ‘aye’ vote.”

Speaker Hannig: “The question is, ‘Shall Senate Bill 2215 pass?’ All in favor vote ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question there are 79… 78 voting ‘yes’, 28 voting ‘no’ and 9 voting ‘present’. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On the Order of Senate Bills- Second Reading, on page 15 of the Calendar, is Senate Bill 86. Mr. Clerk, can you read the Bill?”

“Mr. Clerk, let’s just take that out of the record. It doesn’t appear that the Sponsor is on the floor. And call Senate Bill 984.”

“Representative Molaro.”

“Thank you. Mr. Chairman, this is an Amendment brought by the Illinois FOP and the Chicago FOP and it has to do with the anonymous complaints. And this Bill says that if someone’s gonna complain against a police officer, that would be a sworn affidavit. We passed that Bill and we put it in the Uniform Disciplinary for Police Officers Act last year. It was a court case that said it should be in a different place and that’s where we’re putting it now. That’s what the Amendment does.”

Speaker Hannig: “Is there any discussion? Then…. The Gentleman from McHenry, Representative Franks.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?”

“The Sponsor indicates he’ll yield.”

“Representative, I’m looking at my analysis and it indicates that there are two opponents: the Illinois Sheriff’s Association and the City of Chicago. Can you tell us… can you tell us why they’re opposed?”

“City of… the City of Chicago has taken the position that it should be collectively bargained.”

“So, that should be done wha… how?” 09300131.doc 66  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 131st Legislative Day 5/20/2004

“Collectively bargained.”

“Okay. And why are the Sheriff’s Association against this?”

“Same… same position.”

“Okay. Thank you.”

“Further discussion on the Amendment? The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Parke.”

“He indicates he’ll yield.”

“I don’t know if your serious, that’s the same exact question Jack just asked me.”

“You couldn’t hear it, I know, it’s not your fault. As I said before, last year we passed this almost exact same Bill and we put it in the Uniform Disciplinary Police whatever that… whatever it’s called. There was a judge up at Cook County that says, that basically ‘cause you have collectively a bargaining agreement you should have put it in the Labor Act instead because the Labor Act trumps UDOP. So, that’s what we’re doing right here. The City of Chicago and the Sheriff’s Association think that this type of item should be collectively bargained. That’s what they think. They were in opposition for it last year when we passed it out and they’re in opposition again this year.” 09300131.doc 67  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 131st Legislative Day 5/20/2004

“This…. Well, there’s a lawsuit. It’s not on this… not on this particular issue. The lawsuit just says…. When they filed the lawsuit, all they said is that the judge says you have the collective bargaining statute. The judge says you have to coll….”

“Any further discussion? Then all in favor of the Amendment say ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The ‘ayes’ have it. And the Amendment is adopted. Any further Amendments?”

“Third Reading. On page 17 of the Calendar is House… excuse me, Senate Bill 2222. Mr. Clerk, would you read the Bill?”

“Representative Younge, do you wish us to move that to Third?”

“No, Take it out of the record.”

“Okay. Out of the record. Mr. Clerk, would you read Senate Bill 2251, Representative Saviano’s.”

“Third Reading. And Mr. Clerk, would you read Senate Bill 2257?”

“Representative Saviano.”

“Is there any discussion? Then all in favor of the Amendment say ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The ‘ayes’ have it. And the Amendment is adopted. Any further Amendments?”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, would you read Senate Bill 2270?”

“Representative Mendoza, do you want this to move to Third? Okay. Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, would you read Senate Bill 2299?”

“Representative Saviano, do you want this to move to Third? Okay. Out of the record at the request of the Sponsor. Mr. Clerk, would you read Senate Bill 2349?”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, would you read Senate Bill 2367?”

“Representative Coulson, do you wish this to move to Third? No. Okay. Out of the record at the request of the Sponsor. And Senate Bill 2382. Mr. Clerk, would you read that Bill?”

“Representative Saviano.” 09300131.doc 70  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 131st Legislative Day 5/20/2004

“Is there any discussion? Then all in favor of the Amendment say ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The ‘ayes’ have it. And the Amendment is adopted. Any further Amendments?”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, would you read Senate Bill 2496?”

“Okay. Let’s take this out of the record until we get some direction from the Sponsor. Mr. Clerk, would you read Senate Bill 2536 for Representative Jefferson?”

“Okay. Out of the record, Mr. Clerk. Mr. Clerk, would you read Senate Bill 2878?”

“Representative Turner.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. It’s indeed an honor to stand here to present this Amendment on behalf of Attorney General Lisa Madigan. Amendment #2 is an agreed Bill between the Illinois Attorney General’s Office and the Department of Human Rights as well as the Illinois Chamber of Commerce. This Amendment, which makes the following significant changes, become the Bill. That is, the Amendment requires the Attorney General to conduct a preliminary investigation to determine reasonable care prior to initiating any civil actions. This Amendment also provides for an assurance of voluntary compliance, an agreement that parties can enter into resolving the matter, without litigation. The Amendment also provides that the AG can also seek injunctive relief and punitive damages. If an agreed party is seeking damages, they must file a charge first with the Illinois Department of Human Rights. And there is a section in this Amendment imposing civil penalties for repeat offenders and that is limited to prior offenses within a five-year time limit period. And I move for the adoption of Amendment #2 to Senate Bill 2878.”

“Is there any discussion? Then all in favor of the Amendment say ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The ‘ayes’ have it. And the Amendment is adopted. Any further Amendments?” 09300131.doc 72  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 131st Legislative Day 5/20/2004

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, would you read Senate Bill 3064?”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, would you read Senate Bill 3069? Out of the record, Mr. Clerk. Mr. Clerk, would you read Senate Bill 3077?”

Speaker Hannig: “Third Reading. And let’s return back to Senate Bill… let’s do Senate Bill 30… 86. Let’s do Senate Bill 86, Mr. Clerk. Eighty-six, Mr. Clerk.”

“Representative Bradley on the Amendment.”

“Can you hold on just a second? Yes. This is the poverty grant language that came out of committee yesterday. It provides a hold harmless for districts that may have lost money under the poverty grant this year.” 09300131.doc 73  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 131st Legislative Day 5/20/2004

“Is there any discussion? Then all in favor say ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The ‘ayes’ have it. The Amendment is adopted. Any further Amendments?”

“Mr. Clerk, read Senate Bill 31. Thirty-one. Senate Bill. Excuse me, Mr. Clerk. Let’s move Senate Bill 86 to Third Reading. I think I failed to do that. And now let’s read Senate Bill 31.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read Senate Bill 833.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read Senate Bill 2205.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read Senate Bill 2206.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read Senate Bill 2207.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read Senate Bill 3013 on page 20 of the Calendar.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read…. On page 17 of the Calendar there’s… appears Senate Bill 2244. Would you read the Bill?”

“Representative Bradley.”

“Thank you, Speaker. This is the methamphetamine Bill. It limits the amount of pseudophederine ephedrine that can be purchased. It’s a Bill that has been proposed and sponsored by the Attorney General’s Office. I know of no opposition to it.” 09300131.doc 75  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 131st Legislative Day 5/20/2004

“On the Amendment. Is there any discussion? All in favor say ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The ‘ayes’ have it. And the Amendment is adopted. Any further Amendments?”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read Senate Bill 2830.”

“Third Reading. Okay. On page 12 of the Calendar, under the Order of House Bills-Third Reading, appears House Bill 6415. Mr. Clerk, would you read the Bill?”

“Representative Millner.”

“The Gentleman moves for the passage of House Bill 6415. Is there any discussion? Then the question is, ‘Shall this Bill pass?’ All in favor vote ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Last call. Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On 09300131.doc 76  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 131st Legislative Day 5/20/2004 this question, there are 112 voting ‘yes’ and 0 voting ‘no’. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On the Order of Concurrences, on page 26 of the Calendar, is House Bill 4566. Representative Lou Jones. Representative, we can… we can come back to that Bill if you’re… if you’re having trouble finding it. So, why don’t we move… we’ll stay on the Order of Concurrence and go to House Bill 4558. Representative Pihos on this measure. You ready? Okay. Proceed, Representative. Representative Pihos is recognized on the Motion to Concur.”

“The Lady moves that the House concur in Senate Amendment #1 on House Bill 4558. Is there any discussion? Then the question is, ‘Shall this Bill pass?’ All in favor vote ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? This is final action. Representative Granberg, would you like to record yourself? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 112 voting ‘yes’ and 0 voting ‘no’. And this Bill, 09300131.doc 77  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 131st Legislative Day 5/20/2004 having… and the Senate… the House does concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 4558. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Turner, would you like us to move forward on House Bill 4481 on the Order of Concurrence? Okay. Representative Turner, the Gentleman from Cook, is recognized.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Assembly. I move that we concur with Senate Amendment 1 to House Bill 4481. The Senate Amendment…. Take it out of the record.”

“Okay. The Gentleman asks that this be taken out of the record for the moment. Representative Jones, can we get back to your Bill? Okay. The Lady from Cook, Representative Jones, is recognized on the Motion to Concur on House Bill 4566. Representative Jones.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I do concur with Senate Amendment 1. And basically what it says is the failure of the judge to inform the delinquent minor of his or her rights to petition for expungement, as provided by law, does not create a substance right nor is it the failure… failure grounds for the reversal of adjudication of a delinquent or a new trial or an appeal. Basically, what it says is that if… there’s several things the judge is supposed to do in conjunction with the expungement. And if he fails to do one of these things, it does not give the right… the delinquent the right to… to appeal because of 09300131.doc 78  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 131st Legislative Day 5/20/2004 that one issue nor ask for a new trial. I ask for a favorable vote.”

“The Lady asks that the House concur in Senate Amendment #1. Is there any discussion? Then the question is, ‘Shall the House concur in the Senate Amendment?’ All in favor… And shall this Bill pass? All in favor vote ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 63 voting ‘yes’ and 49 voting ‘no’. And this Bill… and the House does concur in Senate Amendment #1. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Graham, for what reason do you rise?”

“I, on House Bill 4566, I had in… inadvertently pressed ‘no’, but I should have pressed ‘yes’. I had done that by mistake. So, I wanna be recorded as a ‘yes’ on this Bill.”

“Okay. The record will show reflect your… will reflect your intentions. Representative Ba… Bassi, for what reason do you rise?”

“Okay. The record will…”

Speaker Hannig: “…reflect your intentions. And now Representative Turner, you’re recognized on House Bill 4481.” 09300131.doc 79  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 131st Legislative Day 5/20/2004

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. And I apologize that I was not prepared when you called me earlier, I thought we were about to leave and I did not have the file in front of me. But Senate Amendment… the Senate Amendment 1 basically says that this Bill will take afact… take effect upon becoming law. And so, we just changed the effective date of the legislation. And I move for the adoption of Amendment #1 to House Bill 4481.”

“So, the…. So, Representative Turner moves that the House concur in Senate Amendment #1. Is there any discussion? Then the question is, ‘Shall this Bill pass?’ All in favor vote ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 112 voting ‘yes’ and 0 voting ‘no’. And this Bill… and the House does concur in Senate Amendment #1. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Aguilar on House Bill 4788. The Gentleman from Cook is recognized on the Motion to concur.”

“The Gentleman has moved that the House concur in Senate Amendment #1. Is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Vermilion, Representative Black.”

“He indicates he’ll yield.”

Speaker Hannig: “The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Giles.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield for a question?”

“He indicates he’ll yield.”

“Representative, I apologize, I did not get a chance to ask a question on the original language, but I know the ammem… the Amendment that you’re adding on is… is adding on the language dealing with the school grounds, but you… could you, just for a se… a minute for me, explain to me 09300131.doc 81  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 131st Legislative Day 5/20/2004 because I think in the original legislation it dealt… it deals with recruiting.”

“In… in… in your own words, can you, I mean how can we tell an individual is being recruited and… and… and I guess, to what extent can we, and I just want to know for my own purposes, maybe I should have just came up to you and asked, but how can we tell an individual is being recruited?”

“You know, Representative, I apologize, but I didn’t hear one word you… you said, but I don’t know if maybe it was noisy. I… I really want to know the answer. I really do.”

“Okay. And so you’re saying normally the kids may report this information to a principal…”

“…or… or…”

“…or a parent or a teacher and that’s how we can prove that an individual… some individuals may be recruiting certain individuals.”

“I’ll go with that, but you know, I think in the real world, I think if you know these situations like I know I do, oftentimes these students are too afraid to maybe say anything and this is sort of like a hush-hush society in which they do these things and that’s… I just simply wanted to know how we can tell someone can be recruited. Thank you. Thank you, Representative.”

“Is there any further…”

Speaker Hannig: “…is there any further discussion? Then Representative Aguilar is recognized to close.”

“The question is, ‘Shall the House concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 4788? All in favor vote ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 110 voting ‘yes’, 1 voting ‘no’ and 1 voting ‘present’. 09300131.doc 83  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 131st Legislative Day 5/20/2004 And the House does concur in Senate Amendment #1. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Black, would you like to concur on House Bill 4247? On the Order of Concurrence, page 25 of the Calendar.”

“Okay.”

Speaker Hannig: “So we’re… you’re recognized to nonconcur, Rep…?”

“The Gentleman moves that the House not concur in Senate Amendment #1 to House Bill 4247. All in favor say ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The ‘ayes’ have it and the House nonconcurs in the Senate Amendment. Representative Jefferson, would you like to concur in House Bill 4403? 09300131.doc 84  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 131st Legislative Day 5/20/2004 Mr… You’re recognized Mr. Jefferson. The Gentleman from Winnebago.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. I concur with Senate Bill… Senate Amendment #1. And basically what it does is provides that the clerk of the circuit court may notify the Secretary of State if there’s any violations in relation to paying the fines. It also sets the age for who can have a driver’s license. It also sets the times that you can not be penalized if, in fact, you’re in violation of not paying your Vehicle Codes. I would urge passage of this Senate Amendment.”

Speaker Hannig: “The Gentleman moves to concur in Senate Amendment #1. And on that question, the Gentleman from Vermilion, Representative Black.”

Speaker Hannig: “Is there any further discussion? Then Representative Jefferson would you like to… excuse me, Representative Winters.”

“He indicates he’ll yield.”

“I’m not sure if that’s the case or not. I’m not familiar with that Bill, Representative.”

“Sure. Senate Amendment #1 provides that the clerk of the circuit court may notify the Secretary of State if any resident of the state makes only a partial payment of any traffic fine, penalty or cost imposed for a violation of the Illinois Vehicle Code after the effective date of the new Act and does not pay the remainder of the outstanding fine, penalty or cost within the time limits set by the court. The Secretary of State is then required to prohibit the renewal, the reissuance, or the reinstatement of such resident’s driving privileges until the outstanding fine, penalties or cost have been paid in full. That is the Amendment.”

“That’s exactly right until you made full payment. This is only a traffic violation, anything of that nature. You cannot make partial payments. What this is saying is that you have to make the full payment before your license is given back to you or reinstated.”

“The Secretary of State is the one that required this language in the Bill.”

“This is statewide.” 09300131.doc 87  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 131st Legislative Day 5/20/2004

“Representative Jefferson to close.”

“Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would urge and encourage my colleagues to support this Bill. It’s a good Bill. I would urge a ‘yes’ vote.”

“The Gentleman moves that the House concur in Senate Amendment #1. And the question is, ‘Shall this Bill pass?’ All in favor vote ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 68 voting ‘yes’ and 43 voting ‘no’. And the House does concur in Senate Amendment #1. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On page 31 of the Calendar, under the Order of Resolutions, is House Joint Resolution 64. Representative Steve Davis is recognized.” Davis, S.: “Thank you, Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Joint Resolution 64 creates a study committee to investigate and hold public hearings about the effects of U.S. trade policy on Illinois jobs and farms. This initiative was brought to me by the United Steel Workers of America and the AFL-CIO. And there are provisions in here that outlines the number of members to be appointed to this committee. And it has the support of the Illinois Manufacturers’ Association; they are included in this… in this committee. And I would be glad to answer any questions on the… on the Joint Resolution.” 09300131.doc 88  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 131st Legislative Day 5/20/2004

“Is there any discussion? Then the question is, ‘Shall the Resolution be adopted?’ All in favor vote ‘aye’; opposed vote ‘nay’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 112 voting ‘yes’, and 0 voting ‘no’. And the Resolution is adopted. Rep… Representative Mathias, for what reason do you rise?”

“The record will so reflect that. And on page 32 of the Calendar, under the Order of Resolutions, is House Joint Resolution 79. Representative Mulligan.”

“The Lady has moved for the adoption of House Joint Resolution 79. Is there any discussion? Then all in favor say ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The ‘ayes’ have it and the Resolution is adopted. We’re going to advance the Bills on Supplemental Calendar #2. So, Mr. Clerk, would you read Senate Bill 2208?”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read Senate Bill 2209.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read Senate Bill 2210.”

“Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read Senate Bill 2211.”

Speaker Hannig: “Third Reading. And now on the Order of Supplemental Calendar #1, under Senate Bills-Second Reading. Mr. Clerk, read Senate Bill 3340.”

“Okay. Let’s hold that on the Order of Second Reading, and read Senate Bill 3343.”

“Hold that on the Order of Second, and read Senate Bill 3350.”

“Hold that on Second, and read 30… Senate Bill 3356.”

“Hold that on Second Reading, and read Senate Bill 3359.” 09300131.doc 91  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 131st Legislative Day 5/20/2004

“Okay. Let’s hold that on Second Reading, and read Senate Bill 3361.”

“Okay. Let’s hold that on Second, and read Senate Bill 3362.”

“Okay. Let’s hold that on Second Reading, and read Senate Bill 3367.”

“Let’s hold that on Second, and read Senate Bill 3368.”

“Okay. Let’s hold that on the Order of Second Reading. Repre… Representative Moffitt is recognized.” 09300131.doc 92  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 131st Legislative Day 5/20/2004

“State your point.”

“Representative Froehlich, for what reason do you rise?”

“State your point.”

“And we thank you. Mr. Clerk, would you read the…. Excuse me. Representative Turner, for what reason do you rise?” 09300131.doc 93  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 131st Legislative Day 5/20/2004

“I heard Representative Moffitt speak about the Fire Caucus. Could he briefly describe what is the Fire Caucus? Do they smoke? Put out fires or start fires? What does that mean? Or do you have to be a fireman? He said fight or fire?”

“Representative Moffitt.”

“Hot stuff?”

“Okay.”

“Okay.”

“Okay.”

“And this is… I… I think, and I would assume this is in teaching them about prevention as well as looking out for the safety of the firemen themselves, but we’re not learning how to start fires though, right? There’s nothing that I can take home to my local Boy Scout troop in terms of camping tips? Thank you, Representative.” 09300131.doc 94  STATE OF ILLINOIS 93rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 131st Legislative Day 5/20/2004

Speaker Hannig: “Mr. Clerk, would you read the Agreed Resolutions?”

“Representative Currie moves for the adoption of the Agreed Resolutions. All in favor say ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The ‘ayes’ have it and the Agreed Resolutions are adopted. Mr. Clerk, read the Adjournment Resolution.”

“Representative Currie moves for the adoption of the Adjournment Resolution. All in favor say ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The ‘ayes’ have it and the Adjournment Resolution is adopted. Representative Rose, for what reason do you rise?”

“Okay. Now, Representative Currie moves, that allowing perfunctory time for the Clerk, that the House stand adjourned until Monday, May 24 at the hour of 4 p.m. All in favor say ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The ‘ayes’ have it and the House stands adjourned.”