Illinois House Floor Debate — May 30, 2007

"The House will come to order. Members should be at their desks. Members and guests are asked to please refrain from starting their laptops, their cell phones, or their pagers, their BlackBerrys and rise for the invocation and the Pledge of Allegiance. We'll ask our guests in the gallery to join us for the Pledge and the invocation. We shall be led in prayer today by the Reverend Ray Banner who is the Pastor of the First Congregational United Church of Christ in Grayslake, Illinois Reverend Banner is the guest of Representative Tryon."

"We'll be led in our Pledge of Allegiance by Representative Jack McGuire."

Speaker Lyons: "Roll Call for Attendance. Representative Bost."

Speaker Lyons: "Thank you, Representative. Leader Barbara Flynn Currie."

"Thank you, Speaker. Please let the record reflect that Representative Patterson is excused today."

"Thank you, Representative. Mr. Clerk, take the record. There's a 117 Members present. We have a quorum and ready to do the work of the State of Illinois. Representative Jerry Mitchell." Mitchell, J.: "Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I just wanted the Body to know that somebody ordered a pizza and it's sitting back 09500064.doc 2  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007 there and if you know the rules of the House, another 3 minutes and it's going to be gone."

Speaker Lyons: "Thank you, Representative. Mr. Clerk, Committee Reports."

Speaker Lyons: "Ladies and Gentlemen, our first order of business this morning will be a Death Resolution for a former employee of the State of Illinois. Mr. Clerk, we have House Resolution 238 which is in memory of Doris Laucik, who was a former staffer for Governor Otto Kerner, for Governor Sam Shapiro, and later in life, for Speaker Madigan. Mr. Clerk, House Resolution 238."

"We are joined in the gallery, on the Democratic side, by Mrs. Laucik's daughter, Lynn and Susan, grandson Theo and granddaughter Alexis. And I'll ask for a moment. Thank you very much. Ladies and Gentlemen, on the Order of Third Readings, on page 6 of the Calendar, Representative Patti Bellock has Senate Bill 133. Representative Bellock? Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

Speaker Lyons: "Chair recognizes the Lady from DuPage, Representative Patti Bellock."

"Is there any discussion? Seeing none, the question is, 'Should Senate Bill 133 pass?' All those in favor signify by voting 'yes'; those opposed vote 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this issue, there's 117 Members voting 'yes', 0 voting 'no'. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On page 18 of the Calendar, under Senate Bills-Second Readings, Representative Mendoza has Senate Bill 829. Status of the Bill, Mr. Clerk?"

"Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read Senate Bill 829. Representative Mendoza."

Speaker Lyons: "Chair recognizes the Lady from Cook, Representative Susana Mendoza."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Senate Bill 829 removes the Board of the Cook County Department of Corrections. Currently, the department has a five-member board which makes policy recommendations. One of their jobs is to select three people that the Board would nominate for the director position and then the Cook County Sheriff would appoint one 09500064.doc 9  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007 of those three people to the position, currently. What this Bill would do is it would eliminate the five member board. It would allow for the sheriff to go ahead and select… nominate his own person of his choice and then, with the consent and approval of the entire seventeen members of the Cook County Board, go ahead and have that person approved. Every other chief executive officer has the ability to select their own director. This… the only thing this does is make it consistent with the Sheriff's Office as well. So, I would ask for your support. And I know of absolutely no opposition to this Bill. Thank you."

"Is there any discussion? Seeing none, the question is, 'Should Senate Bill 829 pass?' All those in favor signify by voting 'yes'; those opposed vote 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Dave Winters? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Bill, there's 117 Members voting 'yes', 0 voting 'no'. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Mr. Clerk, on page 8 of the Calendar, Representative Reboletti has Senate Bill 705. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from DuPage, Representative Dennis Reboletti."

"Is there any discussion on Senate Bill 705? Seeing none, the question is, 'Should Senate Bill 705 pass?' All those in favor signify by voting 'yes'; those opposed vote 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Bill, 117 Members are voting 'yes', 0 voting 'no'. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Mr. Clerk, what’s the status of Senate Bill 835?"

"Third Reading. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"The Chair recognizes the Representative from Rock Island, Representative Pat Verschoore. Mr. Clerk, take that Bill out of the record on the request of the 09500064.doc 11  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007 Sponsor. Mr. Clerk, once again, the status of Senate Bill 835."

"Representative Verschoore, you're for sure?"

"Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman, and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Assembly. This Bill is… or the Bill I passed earlier, 410, it's the Bill by which it's a front door referendum where the people of the county, any county in the state except Cook County, can vote on a up to a 1 percent sales tax and that money would be used for any kind of school renovations, constructions, purchasing of power, any life-safety only, no teachers' salaries, or anything like that. And I'd be glad to answer any questions."

"Is there any discussion? Seeing none, the question is, 'Should Senate Bill 835 pass?' All those in favor signify by voting 'yes'; those opposed vote 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Representative Beaubien and Graham? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Bill, there are 74 Members voting 'yes', 41 Members voting 'no'. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Mr. Clerk, on Senate Bills-Second Reading, on page 15 of the Calendar, Representative Sacia has Senate Bill 65. What's the status of the Bill, Mr. Clerk?"

"Third Reading. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk." 09500064.doc 12  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007

Speaker Lyons: "The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Winnebago, Representative Jim Sacia."

Speaker Lyons: "Is there anyone seeking discussion? The question is, 'Should Senate Bill 65 pass?' All those in favor signify by voting 'yes'; those opposed vote 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Representative Berrios, Toni? Representative Berrios? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Bill, there are 117 Members voting 'yes', 0 voting 'no'. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Cole, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"

"The Journal will so reflect, Representative. Representative Pihos, for what purpose do you rise?" 09500064.doc 13  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007

"The Journal will so reflect, Representative. Thank you. Representative Sullivan, for what purpose do you rise?"

"Pardon me, Representative?"

"The Journal will so reflect. Mr. Clerk."

"Clerk, what's the status of Senate Bill 1380 on page 19 of the Calendar?"

"Third Reading. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Bob Molaro."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This does two things: it brings the Chicago Police Department equal with the Chicago Fire Department and every other fund. Chicago Police Department, right now, if you… if you're retired and you're married and the police… retired police officer dies, the spouse gets 50 percent. With the Chicago Police Department, if the spouse remarries, they lose the entire 50 percent. That only happens with the Police Fund. This brings it in to the twenty-first century and allows that. It… it also does… there are two (2) minor provisions for two (2) police people, one is a Cook County police officer who was in the downstate pension system. This allows him to transfer up to Cook County, but they pay for everything, no cost to the state, no cost to the county; and there's also an IMRF that used to work for the City of Chicago and 09500064.doc 15  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007 it's just the opposite way, but he pays for everything and there's no cost to the state or city. No opposition. All the funds all for this particular piece of legislation."

Speaker Lyons: "The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Crawford, Representative Roger Eddy."

"He indicates he will."

"Right. There would… Well, funny you should bring that up. There was a downstate Bill that this was part of, but they took it out and it's Chicago only. There's some other one for downstate that's still floatin' around and I don't know where that's going or… 'cause it has to do with the widows and spouses, but are for the downstate. This is strictly Chicago, Chicago Police Department, does not affect the state whatsoever."

"Correct."

"That's also correct."

"Throughout…"

"Right."

"Yes. Chicago only."

"Thank you, Mr. Eddy."

Speaker Lyons: "Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Cook, Representative John Fritchey."

"Thank you, Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"He indicates he will."

"Representative, there was another provision here. I just wanted to make sure it got on to the Bill or found if it did and that had to do with the unclaimed property?"

"Say one more time."

"We had the issue on unclaimed property coming in to the pension fund…"

"No… yeah, that Bill was never… that Amendment was never adopted, unfortunately."

"Just out of curiosity, why not? 'Cause I think as you know, and I know that it's an excellent Amendment and it's an issue that a lot of people probably are not aware of and should be aware of. Is there a reason that it wasn't put on?"

"Yeah, it was… it was thought of by the Speaker's Office that really is… as great of an idea of it is, and it is, and I think it's going become the law of the state next year, it really is a budgetary matter and there just wasn't time to go over the exact fiscal impact of it. But it's a great idea, it would save us billions of dollars in our pension payments, but unfortunately there just wasn't time 09500064.doc 17  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007 to really negotiate it the way we should've. But it was a great idea by the Treasurer and I think it will move forward next year."

"All right. Thank you. To the Bill. Ladies and Gentlemen, just for those of you that were listening to us, there was an Amendment out there… the state takes in a lot, a lot of money in unclaimed property every year and that money is to go toward the State Pension Fund and toward the pay down. What has been happening, though, is the money that would go in there has been supplanting GRF payments rather then supplementing GRF payments. As Representative Molaro said, and there's few people in this chamber, if any, that are more acquainted with the pension systems than are he. We have the ability to significantly alleviate, in a very responsible manner, our pension obligations going forward. Treasurer Giannoulias's Office was very proactive in recognizing this and trying to take some steps to do this. Unfortunately, I understand that timing dynamics that we're faced with, it can't be done but I hope we will focus on this next year. And Representative, to the extent that you're going to do this next year, please, count me in as being in with you. Thank you."

"Representative Molaro to close."

"I'd just ask for an 'aye' vote again. No cost to the state, no cost to the systems."

Speaker Lyons: "The question is, 'Should Senate Bill 1380 pass?' All those in favor signify by voting 'yes'; those opposed vote 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? 09500064.doc 18  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007 Have all voted who wish? Representative Graham? Munson? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Bill, there are 95 Members voting 'yes', 21 voting 'no', 1 Member voting 'present'. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Brady?"

"The Chair recognizes Representative Stephens."

"Representative Brady, Representative Stephens had a question for you."

"And Democrats, we will caucus in Room 114. Democrats immediately, caucus in Room 114. The House will stand in recess until the call of the Chair."

"The House will be in order. Members please be in their seats. We are going to continue on page 10 of the Calendar, under the Order of Senate Bills-Third Reading. And Mr. Clerk, read Senate Bill 1224."

Speaker Hannig: "The Gentleman from Lake, Representative Washington." 09500064.doc 19  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007

"Thank you Mr. Speaker and Member of the chamber. Senate Bill 1224 is a really good Bill that I am sure all of you can appreciate. It will create the Teachers Home Buyer Assistance Act and require the Illinois Housing Development Authority to establish and administer a program to provide down payment assistance to our public school teachers who teach in hard-to-staff schools or hard-to- staff position for purchasing residence within the school district. And it provides that the assistance shall be in the form of a deferred payment, a low-interest subordinate mortgage loan over a term not longer than the term of the first mortgage loan, with interest accruing at a rate of up to 5 percent per annum. Provides that if the borrower has continuously been a teacher for the five-year period immediately following the date of recordation of the loan, deed of the trust, then repayment of the loan shall be forgiven and considered a grant. It provides that repayment of the principal and accrued interest is due and payable upon the concurrence… the occurrence of certain events. Effective immediately. And I'm open for any questions and hope that the chamber supports me in trying to upgrade our teachers staffing problems in some areas. Thank you."

"The Gentleman has moved for the passage of Senate Bill 1224. This is on Short Debate. Does anyone stand in response? Then the question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All in favor vote 'aye'; opposed 'nay'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Representative Molaro and 09500064.doc 20  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007 D'Amico, do you wish to be recorded? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 117 voting 'yes', and 0 voting 'no'. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Senate Bill 1225, Representative Saviano? Out of the record. Representative May, on Senate Bill 1241. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Representative May."

"Yes. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'd like to first of all thank Senator Mattie Hunter for her support and leadership on getting mercury out of our environment. As you are aware, mercury causes brain damage in children. This says that as of July of next year no person shall install, sell, or distribute certain mercury-added thermostats in the state. It continues our campaign to get mercury out of the environment to protect the health of our children. It… these devices are competitively priced. They're reasonably avail… they're readily available and the industry is already phasing out the… getting rid of the mercury- containing thermostats. And I ask for an 'aye' vote."

"This is on the Order of Short Debate. Does anyone stand in response? The Gentleman from Vermilion, Representative Black."

"She indicates she'll yield." 09500064.doc 21  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007

"No…"

"…the original portion in the Senate…"

"…was taken out and they're working with Honeywell and other producers to work on…"

"…some sort of a voluntary program."

"Is there any further discussion? Then the question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All in favor vote 'aye'; opposed 'nay'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Representative Graham and Will Davis, do you wish to be recorded? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 117 voting 'yes' and 0 voting 'no'. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Cross has Senate Bill 1242. Representative Mathias, perhaps. No? Okay. We'll go on down the list. Representative Chapa LaVia on Senate Bill 1243. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Representative Chapa LaVia."

"Thank you, Speaker and Members of the House. Senate Bill 1243 establishes standards and procedures for the Illinois Environmental Protection Agency review of the remediation tax credit application in a River's (Sic River) Edge Redevelopment Zone. This is just technical; it's a technical cleanup Bill. Thank you."

"This is on Short Debate. Does anyone stand in response? Then the question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All in favor vote 'aye'; opposed 'nay'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Representative Turner, do you wish to be recorded? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 117 voting 'yes' and 0 voting 'no'. 09500064.doc 24  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007 And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Mr. Clerk, read Senate Bill 1225."

"Representative Saviano."

"Is there any discussion? Then all in favor… all… Then the question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All in favor vote 'aye'; opposed vote 'nay'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Representative Yarbrough, Graham, Will Davis, do you wish to be recorded? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 117 voting 'yes' and 0 voting 'no'. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Mr. Clerk, read Senate Bill 1242."

"Representative Cross."

"This is on Short Debate. Does anyone stand in response? Then the question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All in favor vote 'aye'; opposed 'nay'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 117 voting 'yes' and 0 voting 'no'. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. In case you're not paying attention, we're just going down the list. So for the Members who have Bills on page 10 of Calendar, you need to be prepared. So, Representative Moffitt, I see you're ready. So, Mr. Clerk, read Senate Bill 1244."

"Representative Moffitt."

"So, we’re going to put this on the Order of Standard Debate to accommodate our Members. And Representative Black, you're recognized for 5 minutes."

"The Sponsor will yield."

Speaker Hannig: "Representative Black, your… your time is expired, but could you bring your remarks to a close, please."

"Representative Bost."

"Indicates he'll yield."

"Representative… Representative Holbrook."

"Thank you, Speaker. In many areas of the state, like in mine, these are volunteers that give their time, they train for literally hundreds of hours, and occasionally they're called out on situations that right now our fire departments can collective… the people are… the incident is caused by an OSHA violation or a Department of Labor violation. These are people that have broken the law, and our good citizens have come out and helped them. Our volunteers in many, many cases, especially downstate, and this may just help one of those groups stay solvent. There's absolutely no new fee here whatsoever. It's the same fee that the fire departments charge. We're just covering the rescue people. And I know downstate at almost ever… almost every case, these are volunteers that train for hundreds and hundreds of hours, in my area it's at the local community college. And this is the right thing to do, our fire departments have done it for years. And we need to do this. And I'd urge an 'aye' vote for this Bill."

"Representative Moffitt to close." 09500064.doc 34  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007

"The question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All in favor vote 'aye'; opposed 'nay'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Representative Sommer, do you wish to be recorded? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 102 voting 'yes' and 13 voting 'no'. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Ryg, you have Senate Bill 1245. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Representative Ryg."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Senate Bill 1245 as amended requires regular and ongoing site inspections, no less than annually, for facilities under the jurisdiction of the Department of Human Services. It requires the department to report to the General Assembly on the feasibility of increasing utilization of electronic monitoring and recording for purposes of identification and prevention of abuse and neglect. The Bill was agreed to by the proponents, 09500064.doc 35  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007 including the Autism Society of Illinois and the Department of Human Services. Be happy to answer any questions."

"This is on the Order of Short Debate. Does anyone stand in response? Then the question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All in favor vote 'aye'; opposed 'nay'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Representative Riley and Younge, do you wish to be recorded? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 116 voting 'yes' and 0 voting 'no'. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passes. Representative Flider, you have Senate Bill 1249. Do you wish us to read that Bill? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Representative Flider."

"Yes. Thank you Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Senate Bill 1249 creates the Illinois Fringe Benefit Portability and Continuity Act that establishes provisions that would allow the withholding of wages for the contribution of fringe benefits to short-term or temporary workers who are not covered by an employment contract or collective bargaining agreement, but referred by a labor organization to work for the state. And this is an initiative of the Laborers' International Union and I know of no opposition. I'd ask for an 'aye' vote."

"This is on the Order of Short Debate. Does anyone stand in response? Then the question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All in favor vote 'aye'; opposed 'nay'. 09500064.doc 36  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007 The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 116 voting 'yes' and 0 voting 'no'. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Mr. Clerk, read Senate Bill 1253."

"Representative Tryon."

"This is on Short Debate. Does anyone stand in response? Then the question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All in favor vote 'aye'; opposed 'nay'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 115 voting 'yes' and 1 voting 'no'. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Mautino, you have Senate Bill 1261. Out of the record. Representative Hoffman, on Senate Bill 1265. Out of the record. Representative Soto, on Senate Bill 1293. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill." 09500064.doc 37  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007

"Representative Soto."

"Thank you, Speaker and Members of the House. Senate Bill 1293 is an initiative of Peoples Energy and it amends the Criminal Code of 1961. Provides that the assault and battery of a person known to be a utility worker, while a utility worker is engaged in an execution of his or her duty or prevent a utility worker from performing his or her duties, in retaliation for a utility worker performing the duty is enhanced to an aggravated assault and aggravated battery. And I urge an 'aye' vote. Thank you."

"This is on Short Debate. Does anyone stand in response? Then the question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All in favor vote 'aye'; opposed 'nay'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Rep… Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 116 voting 'yes' and 0 voting 'no'. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Hamos, on Senate Bill 1296. Out of the record. Representative Pritchard, on Senate Bill 1304. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Representative Pritchard."

"This is on the Order of Short Debate. Does anyone stand in response? Then the question is, 'shall this Bill pass?' All in favor vote 'aye'; opposed 'nay'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Representative Hoffman, do you wish to be recorded? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 115 voting 'yes' and 0 voting 'no'. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Fritchey, you have Senate Bill 1306. Out of the record. On page 11 of the Calendar, under the Order of Senate Bills-Third Reading, Representative Riley, you have Senate Bill 1326. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

Speaker Hannig: "The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Riley."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. Senate Bill 1326, essentially amends the State Facilities Closure Act. It expands the scope of that Act to all state facilities, the closing of all state facilities, rather than those with twenty-five (25) or more state employees, meaning those that are under twenty-five (25) or more employees. There's no opposition on this Bill. It passed 09500064.doc 39  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007 unanimously in the other Body. And I'm here to answer any questions that you may have."

"This is on the Order of Short Debate. Does anyone stand in response? The Gentleman from Jasper, Representative Reis."

"He indicates he'll yield."

"Well, I don't think it's going to really affect prisons at all because right now the Act provides for the provisions of the Act being invoked when there are twenty- five (25) or more state employees. And I presume that most prisons are over twenty-five (25) employees."

"Again, to the extent that there are twenty-five (25) or less employees, then, you know, it would come under this purview. I'm not exactly sure of how many people work or who… are employed in a work camp."

"That's correct."

"The Gentleman from Crawford, Representative Eddy."

"Indicates he'll yield."

"Well, it's not all state facilities; it doesn't cover anything under the legislative or judicial branches. So it's state facilities under the executive branch."

"Well, it's my understanding that the State Facilities Closure Act would apply to them right now. This particular legislation basically affects facilities that are under…"

"…twenty-five (25)."

"They're under existing law, that's correct, Representative."

"Any further discussion? Representative Riley to close."

"I would encourage everyone to 'aye' on this Bill."

"The question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All in favor vote 'aye'; opposed 'nay'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Representative Flowers, do you wish to 09500064.doc 41  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007 be recorded? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 116 voting 'yes' and 0 voting 'no'. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Molaro, you have Senate Bill 1344. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Representative Molaro."

"Thank you. This is an initiative of the new car dealers and all it does is it changes the definition… and I'm going to get it right to the Bill here. It defines what 'relative market area' is. There was two (2) days… ways to define it. Now, because there was some confusion, there's only one way to define it, and that is, 'shall mean the area within a radius of fifteen (15) miles of the principle location if the franchise.' This is in full agreement. No known opposition. And it is brought by the new car dealers."

"This is on the Order of Short Debate. Does anyone stand in response? Then the question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All in favor vote 'aye'; opposed 'nay'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Representative Eddy and Beaubien, do you wish to be recorded? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 115 voting 'yes' and 0 voting 'no'. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Brady, you have Senate Bill 1346. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill." 09500064.doc 42  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007

Speaker Hannig: "The Gentleman from McLean, Representative Brady."

"This is on the Order of Short Debate. Does anyone stand in response? Then the question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All in favor vote 'aye'; opposed 'nay'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Representative Poe and Osmond and Nekritz, do you wish to be recorded? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 116 voting 'yes' and 0 voting 'no'. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Acevedo, you have Senate Bill 1348. Do you wish us to read it? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

Speaker Hannig: "The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Acevedo."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. House Amendment #2 becomes the Bill. It amends the County Jail Act, regulating when counties shall be reimbursed by prisoners medical expenses. 09500064.doc 43  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007 The current law states that the county shall cover all expenses of its prisoners including bedding… bedding, clothing, fuel, and medical expenses. Currently, a county, private hospital physician or public agency shall be entitled to reimbursement for the County Sheriffs' Arrestee's Medical Costs Fund for medical expenses, if the money's available from the fund. I'll be happy to answer any questions."

"This is on the Order of Short Debate. And in response, Representative Holbrook."

"Thank you, Speaker. This is the exact same Bill now as House Bill 1348 that passed out of here nearly unanimously. This makes the state live up to its commitment of those that are being held by… on state warrants, and jails. It's something we thought we had resolved four (4) or five (5) times now, and it’s a shame we have to keep coming back and readdressing this. But I know of no opposition to the Bill from anyone that's come to us or when I ran House Bill 1348. And I would sure urge an 'aye' vote on this."

"Any further discussion? Then the question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All in favor vote 'aye'; opposed 'nay'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Representative Cultra, do you wish to be recorded? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 115 voting 'yes' and 0 voting 'no'. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Mr. Clerk, read Senate Bill 1349." 09500064.doc 44  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007

"Representative Beiser."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. Senate Bill 1349 amends the Public Aid Code in relation to the Medicaid Program. Nursing homes must use it states that nursing homes must use a Internet-based electronic data interchange system. This Bill was filed on behalf of the Illinois Long-term Council to ensure more timely reporting of recipient eligibility by replacing the existing paper-based system with electronic filing. I'd be happy to answer any questions."

"This is on Short Debate. Does anyone stand in response? Then the question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All in favor vote 'aye'; opposed 'nay'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Representative Sommer and Lyons, do you wish to be recorded? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 115 voting 'yes' and 0 voting 'no'. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Mr. Clerk, read Senate Bill 1350."

"The Lady from Cook, Representative Hamos."

"Thank you. Ladies and Gentlemen, Senate Bill 1350 requires providers of nonemergency medical transportation services to use approved training programs for all drivers and employee attendants. These training programs are to be 09500064.doc 45  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007 approved by DH… I mean, by HFS, our state department. It requires to recertification by employees every three (3) years. The cost will be borne by the medi-car companies. There's a free training program that's available by the state. This is optional which training programs these companies would want to use. But that's really the whole Bill. I think people have heard of some concerns and problems with people not being as well trained to do these medi-car services and these would… this would at least provide some of that training. And I know of no opposition."

"So, we have… we have several Members wishing to speak so we'll put this on Standard Debate. And Representative Mulligan, you're recognized for 5 minutes."

"She indicates she'll yield."

"Are there enough programs?"

"Well, I… I would really hope so, because if… if we establish that we need this, federal regulations for public transit grants already require training. So there's already training out there, for these kind of services, and I believe that the Department of Healthcare and Family 09500064.doc 46  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007 Services, provides training also, free of charge. So, this just makes it a requirement to do it."

"Well, there is a company that is offering it, where they would have to pay for it, but HFS offers the same kind of training free of charge."

"No, I don't know about that."

"Every three (3)… Oh, if they're already doing this. I think this would require training in the first place, after the effective date of this Act."

"Well, this does say, yes, that beginning with services rendered after this date, July 1, all providers would have to certify that the driver and employee attendant has completed this kind of safety program."

"You know, I… I know… I know that just anecdotally I have heard of problems all long from the disabled community… the disabled community. I don't have any research or anything like that, nor… I mean, I know what, that your questions make sense to me, Representative Mulligan, but I have not really been approached by any of the companies to suggest that this would be a problem. So I didn't really guess how expensive this training program would be, that it would somehow really cut into any of their profits or anything."

"Not really, I mean… again… again, I know the question you're asking, but it is important to note that these are the most fragile citizens that we have in the State of Illinois, and they are being picked up and dropped off by, you know, it's this kind of important service. I guess the driver and the attendant should be cert… should be trained 09500064.doc 48  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007 and that's all this is really trying to say. Again, I don't imagine it's a very expensive training program, every three (3) years, so, nobody has objected to it."

"Representative Monique Davis." Davis, M.: "Thank you, Mr. Speaker and we do thank you for our time. Representative… Representative Hamos. Oh, hi. Are you saying that even the assistants have to be certified?"

"Well, it does say that the driver and if there is an employee attendant, yes, because they're also working with the same fragile population." Davis, M.: "You know they… do they have to be certified now? I know that sometimes… excuse me, they hire a driver, and then they may have an employee who assists in getting perhaps large over weight patients to the dialysis center or assist in a patient who is on a stretcher, to make sure he's comfortable. So, you're saying that patient… that person also has to now be certified?"

"Yeah. I think that what this Bill says is that anybody who's working in the… in the van… that this says the dri… it says, 'the driver, and employee attendant as applicable.'" Davis, M.: "So, where will they get the training?"

"Well, the Department of Healthcare and Family Services provides it free of charge. Now, the company that probably wrote this Bill, as it was introduced in the… Senate, I'm sure would charge some amount of money for it, I'm not kidding about that. But there is an alternative, which is 09500064.doc 49  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007 a free training program offered by the Department of Healthcare and Family Services." Davis, M.: "And where are they located?"

"Where… I'm sorry?" Davis, M.: "Where is… where is that company where they can get free training, where are they located?"

"Now the free training is provided by our state agency, and I'm guessing that it's statewide, because these Medicaid…this is through the Medicaid Program, and these medi-car companies are throughout the state." Davis, M.: "And do you… can they also get training at the city colleges, or community colleges?"

"I don't really know about that, Representative Davis, I…" Davis, M.: "But I know that they do… they do provide training for the drivers, so I… maybe they'll provide training for that, too."

"Okay. That's… that's interesting; that's great." Davis, M.: "But it won't cost the owner of the company any more money, is that correct?"

"I'm sorry. What did you ask?" Davis, M.: "It won't cost the owner of the company any more money?"

"Well, as I said, this would require it, there's a free training program available. And then I suspect when we pass laws like this, there might be other companies that come up to offer the service and they might charge. But there is a free training program as an alternative." 09500064.doc 50  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007 Davis, M.: "And how long do they have to be trained for, so many weeks or…"

"I don't… I don't really know… that there's a curriculum that I know about at this point. It does say that the training program has to be certified by the state. But I don't know exactly how detailed or how long the curriculum is, I'm sorry. Davis, M.: "Thank you. Thank you very much, Representative."

"Any further discussion? Representative Hamos to close."

"Thank you. I think we've had good discussion about this. I think it's really a safety program for very vulnerable disabled people. And I seek an 'aye' vote."

"The question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All in favor vote 'aye'; opposed 'nay'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Representative Mitchell, do you wish to be recorded? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 106 voting 'yes' and 10 voting 'no'. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Howard, for what reason do you rise?"

"I rise on a point of personal privilege."

"State your point."

"Visiting us today in the gallery is the new director of the Illinois Finance Authority. Please welcome to Springfield, Kym M. Hubbard." 09500064.doc 51  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007

"On page 11 of the Calendar, Representative Watson, you have Senate Bill 1360. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

Speaker Hannig: "The Gentleman from Morgan, Representative Watson."

"This is on Short Debate. Does anyone stand in response? Then the question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All in favor vote 'aye'; opposed 'nay'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Representative… Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 116 voting 'yes' and 0 voting 'no'. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Mr. Clerk, read Senate Bill 1363."

Speaker Hannig: "The Gentleman from Cook, Representative McCarthy."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Senate Bill 1363 amends the Tax Increment 09500064.doc 52  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007 Allocation Redevelopment Act. It extends the TIF for Oak Forest from twenty-three (23) to thirty-five (35) years and we have all of the letters necessary to move forward with this from the school districts, the library district, the park district and the City of Oak Forest. And I'd appreciate your favorable consideration."

"This is on the Order of Short Debate. Does anyone stand in response? Then the question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All in favor vote 'aye'; opposed 'nay'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Representative Lyons and Brauer, do you wish to be recorded? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 95 voting 'yes' and 21 voting 'no'. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Mr. Clerk, read Senate Bill 1365."

"The Lady from Lake, Representative Cole."

"This is on the Order of Short Debate. Does anyone stand in response? Then the question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All in favor vote 'aye'; opposed 'nay'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Representative Lyons. Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 116 voting 'yes' and 0 voting 'no'. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Mr. Clerk, read Senate Bill 1368."

"The Lady from Grundy, Representative Gordon."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen, Senate Bill 1368 makes a technical change to the Department of Human Services Act. It rem… puts the part regarding the Inspector General and what they have the authority to investigate under that… the Department of Human Services Act. It moves it from the Abused and the Neglected Long- term Care Facility Residents Reporting Act. It's a technical change and it's… so that we are now in compliance with other sections of the statute. Thank you."

"This is on the Order of Short Debate. Does anyone stand in response? Then the question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All in favor vote 'aye'; opposed 'nay'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Representative Watson and Mitchell. Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 116 voting 'yes' and 0 voting 'no'. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, 09500064.doc 54  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007 is hereby declared passed. Representative Reboletti, you have Senate Bill 1375. Out of the record. Representative Riley, you have Senate Bill 1379. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

Speaker Hannig: "The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Riley."

"Thank you Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. Senate Bill 1379 expands the list of man… mandated reporters of abused and neglected children. And this will include the field personnel of the Department of Juvenile Justice. I'd like… answer any questions you may have on this Bill. There's no opposition, and it passed unanimously in the other Body."

"This is on the Order of Short Debate. Does anyone stand in response? The Gentleman from Vermilion, Representative Black."

"He indicates he'll yield."

"Representative, I'm really not… not sure of this. As you know, this is basically the same people who were under… in its… in its previous incarnation as the Juvenile Division of the Department of Corrections. I'm not exactly sure how many people this basically is."

"Well, they do have a role in the responsibility with these… with these children. Actually, as it states, you know, in… in your analysis, they had responsibilities and they were mandated reporters under the old Juvenile Division of the Department of Corrections. So, this is basically codifying something that they already do, or that they already did."

"I'm not sure of that Representative. I'm…”

“I'm pretty certain that they're doing… that they have the same responsibilities now."

"Well, they generally have to have a social service or a criminal justice background."

"I'm sure they do, Representative."

"I'm sorry?"

"Well, if you would like me to say I'm positive, I'm positive that they do in… in that… all other personnel of this, you know, that are doing like responsibilities in the criminal justice area have to have background checks done on them."

"I'm sorry, could you repeat that? It's hard to hear you."

"I'm sure they are under the Merit Code."

"That I am not sure of."

"Well, and, well…"

"Right."

"All right. Thank you."

"Representative Lindner."

"Indicates he'll yield."

"Representative, they're field workers, investigators, similar to investigators in some of these other state departments, like DCFS and so forth."

"That’s my understanding, yes."

"That’s true and when we had the new authorization, you know, I think it just was not codified."

"That’s correct."

"Representative Reboletti."

"Indicates he'll yield."

"Yes. I'm… I'm sure… I'm sure that I will do that."

"I'm sorry?"

"You have my commitment."

"Any further discussion? Representative Riley to close."

"I'd ask for an affirmative vote on this Bill. Thank you."

"The question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All in favor vote 'aye'; opposed 'nay'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 116 voting 'yes' and 0 voting 'no'. And this Bill, have received a Constitutional Majority, is 09500064.doc 59  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007 hereby declared passed. Representative… Representative Mautino, you have Senate Bill 1385. Do you wish us to read that? Okay. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

Speaker Hannig: "The Gentleman from Bureau, Representative Mautino."

"I can see by the list of cosponsors on there that this is the annual Audit Expense Fund. This is the Auditor General's annual Bill which transfers the funds so that he can conduct the audits on all of our state agencies. And ask for a Roll Call vote and a vote of 'aye'."

"This is on Short Debate. Does anyone stand in response? Then the question is, 'Shall this Bill… Excuse me. Representative Black, the Gentleman from Vermilion."

"Indicates he'll yield."

"What? What's that? One more time, Bill."

"I'm just checking to see the numbers on that. From what I see, the… the funds itself that he has for this year are at the levels… levels consistent with what the Expense Fund has been."

"Bill, if you would, and I'll… Mr. Speaker, if you'd take this out of the record for one second. Let me…"

"…get on the same page and then we'll come back in, I'll have that answer for you."

"Out of the record. Representative Colvin, you have Senate Bill 1398. Representative Colvin, do you wish us to read this Bill? Representative Colvin, do you wish us to read the Bill? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

Speaker Hannig: "The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Colvin."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I offer for your consideration Senate Bill 1398 which amends the Collection Agency Act. Senate Bill 1398 is Attorney General Lisa Madigan's Bill that amends the Collection Agency Act to require debt collectors to follow certain procedures in its attempts to collect debt from debtors. In sum, the Bill harmonizes State Law with 09500064.doc 61  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007 Federal Law providing four (4) major points: providing that upon request of the consumer a debt collector must either validate the debt or stop collection of it. It also requires the debt collector to cease communication upon written request of the debtor. It expands the definition of debt collector to include rapidly growing numbers of debt buyers in the industry and creating a process by which the victims of identity theft may clear their credit reports of debts incurred by ID theft. I'll be happy to answer any questions."

"This is on the Order of Short Debate. Does anyone stand in response? The Gentleman from McHenry, Representative Franks."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"Indicates he'll yield."

"Representative, who would this apply to? Would it just apply to collection agencies or anyone who is a debt collector?"

"Anyone who is a debt collector. So, yes, it would apply to those agencies that collect, but it also extends the provisions of this Act to those who so-called buy debt. Those individuals who call people's homes and offer to buy debt at a… at a… who buy debt at a reduced rate and then begin to try to collect the debt through… as a pass-through company from the original debtor."

"Under the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act, attorneys… which is a Federal Act… attorneys have been deemed to be construed as collectors. In this Bill, would attorneys also be deemed to be considered collectors?" 09500064.doc 62  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007

"If they're in the act of collecting a debt, indeed, they would be."

"I have an attorney here who says that attorneys are exempted from the Debt Collection Act. And I believe that this Bill, the way it's written, is amending the Debt Collection Act."

"That’s correct, it is."

"So, I guess, if you have another… if you have a staff member or something I'd just like to know, because if it's just amending the Debt Collection Act it would not pertain to attorneys. And that's what I want to find out."

"The Act, Representative Franks… however those provisions are currently written in the law would not change. As a lawyer, you may know, but this Act does not… those lawyers who may be acting upon… you mean, as acting on the behalf of a client? I believe the provision of the law doesn't change that."

"I know and there's the problem, because there is a Federal Law."

"That’s correct."

"And the Federal Law indicates that attorneys who collect debts for those other than themselves…"

"It doesn't change that."

"Okay. Give me one second. I've got my expert staff here. Okay. In the… Okay. I think we have clarification. This Bill exempts banks, for instance, and it also…"

"That's right."

"I'm sorry, the Act." 09500064.doc 63  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007

"Right. Again, what it does is harmonizes State Law with what is law at the federal level."

"Thank you. I appreciate it. Thank you for your time."

"Any further discussion? Representative Colvin to close."

"Again, it simply harmonizes our State Laws with the Federal Laws that are already in existence I'd ask for an 'aye' vote. Thank you."

"The question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All in favor vote 'aye; opposed 'nay'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Representative Wait, Verschoore, McAuliffe, do you wish to be recorded? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 116 voting 'yes' and 0 voting 'no'. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On page 12 of the Calendar, under Senate Bills-Third Reading, Representative Mautino, you have Senate Bill 1400. Out of the record. Representative Hamos, you have Senate Bill 1419. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Representative Hamos."

"Thank you, Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen. This Bill eliminates inconsistencies within the Environmental Protection Act to clarify that the Illinois EPA may adopt the federally required Clean Air Act Interstate Rule which we call CAIR. This does not expand the powers of the EPA. 09500064.doc 64  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007 It really just takes out what is archaic language within our current laws to very clearly state that they may adopt regulations that are keeping with the Federal Clean Air Act. And that's all this Bill does. It was negotiated in the Senate, it's now agreed to by all the affected parties including the power companies such as Midwest Gen and Dynegy."

"This is on the Order of Short Debate. Does anyone stand in response? The Gentleman from Vermilion, Representative Black."

"She indicates she'll yield."

"Well, in this one little section, yes."

"I was getting excited with you."

"This little teeny part, you got everybody's attention, though. That was very exciting, Representative Black."

"I believe it might be."

"Yep."

"Well, I'm not sure I know all the… all of the technical aspects of this to tell you the truth."

"That is correct."

"Well, I think what we're trying to do is that the language was very specific as it was written into the Act. But this gives it a little bit more of a generic nature, in that it says, that they may do this as it relates to stationary emission sources, (a) if it's required by Federal Law; (b) if it's otherwise part of the State's 09500064.doc 66  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007 Attainment Plan, and are necessary to Attain the national ambient air quality standards or; (c) that are necessary to comply with the requirements of the Federal Clean Air Act. So these are all general statements. They would… and they would guide what these rules and regs would have to be."

"I think that's… I think that’s right."

"This is a sulfur dioxide emissions from coal burning power plants."

"I would guess that's true."

"Yeah. I'm sorry, I know there are moveable target dates over the past ten (10) years… next ten (10) years and I just don't know exactly what they are."

"The Lady from Cook, Representative Mulligan."

"She indicates she'll yield."

"As I understand it, Representative Mulligan, this does not expand the powers of the EPA. It clarifies that whatever rules and regs they come to Pollution Control Board with are in… compliant with the Federal Law. It just gives it a more generic statement because some of the specifics in this particular section of the EPA were somewhat archaic or not as clear as they needed to be."

"Well, and again, I think that if this rule was intended to be changed I don't know that the companies would have to agreed to this Bill. This was negotiated… this particular language was negotiated in the Senate and was agreed to by the State Chamber of Commerce, the IMA, et cetera and Dynegy and Ameren and Midwest Gen because it wasn't intended to expand the powers of the EPA."

"Any further discussion? Then Representative Hamos to close."

"Thank you, Ladies and Gentlemen. I think we've a good debate on this. I seek an 'aye" vote."

"The question is, 'shall this Bill pass?' All in favor vote 'aye; opposed 'nay.' The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Any… Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 94 voting 'yes' and 22 voting 'no'. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Mr. Clerk, read Senate Bill 1426."

"The Gentleman from Crawford, Representative Eddy."

"This is on the Order of Short Debate. Does anyone stand in response? Then the question is, 'Shall 09500064.doc 70  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007 this Bill pass?' Excuse me. Representative Monique Davis, in response." Davis, M.: "Representative, what changes were made in the Bill?"

"Any further discussion? Then the question is, 'shall this Bill pass?' All in favor vote 'aye; opposed 'nay.' The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 116 voting 'yes' and 0 voting 'no'. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Hernandez, you have Senate Bill 1428. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Representative Hernandez." 09500064.doc 71  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007

"Thank you, Spe… Speaker and Members of the House. Senate Bill 1428 adds members of a school board, the Chicago Board of Education, or the governing body of a privative school as persons required to report to the Department of Children and Family Services if they have a reasonable cause to believe a child known to them in their professional or official capacity may be an abused child or an neglected child. Currently, the list of those required to report to DCFS includes most medical personnel and school personnel. This Bill would require reporting if evidence of abuse or neglect came to light in the context of a school board meeting. I ask for your 'aye' vote."

"This is on Order of Short debate. And on that question, the Lady from Kane, Representative Lindner."

"Yes."

"Indicates she'll yield."

"Yes. There was an incident about two (2) years ago within my district where there was a teacher allegedly accused of molesting… the count was over seventeen (17) children. So this… did become… did come before the board and we are just trying to add members of the board… to be able to report, as well."

"I believe they would have to see it. It would have to come to their attention in order for them to report it."

"If it’s at a school board meeting, yes."

"I think… if… well, it’s within their professional capacity, they would have to report."

"If they have a reasonable cause, yes."

"A reasonable cause."

"That is the current standard for medical personnel or school personnel, currently. So they would follow… we wouldn't change that language at all."

"Just a moment, Representative." 09500064.doc 73  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007

"Representative Lindner, have you finished your questioning?"

"Perhaps you could…"

"It's not defined in the statute.

"There are penalties. Yes."

"It would be up to the proper authorities I would think if… if…"

"Representative Lindner, your time has expired. Do you have any… any… would you like to conclude your remarks?"

"Okay. Repre… the Gentleman from Vermilion, Representative Black."

"She indicates she’ll yield."

"Well, based what happened within my district, this was brought to the… a board meeting and at the time the board members were not required to report. So it could have been reported at that time."

"I would say it's approximately about two (2) years ago when this happened. I mean…"

"So, I'm just reading off the language. 'If an allegation is raised to a school board member during the course of an open or closed school board meeting, that a child who is enrolled in the school district of which he or she is a board member is an abused child or as defined in Section 3 of this Act, the member shall direct or cause the 09500064.doc 75  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007 school board to direct the superintendent of the school district or other equivalent school administrator to comply with the requirements of this Act.'"

"Representative Acevedo. Representative Eddy."

"So we have had two (2) speak in favor and two (2) speak in response. And Representative Miller, you're recognized for 5 minutes."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"She indicates she’ll yield." 09500064.doc 76  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007

"Just to follow Representative Eddy. Is there any issues in regards to confidentiality of… within school board members reporting activities of a specific child of abuse to authorities?"

"No."

"Okay. And once again, as far as you see it, this is not to… if a parent or somebody came to a school board meeting and said that my child is being abused in some form, is it up to the school board then to report it or is it up to the school itself to find… to actively foresee an event… initiate an investigation or how do you view this happening?"

"The school board member would be able to report it to DCFS."

"So, at this point, right now, if a parent came to a school board meeting or confided in a school board member that their child or a child is being abuse… abused then they have an obligation to report is to authorities or do… will they report it to their principal or superintendent or how did you… how does this work?"

"It is likely that they would work with the administrator in following through with the report."

"Okay. Just… what I'm trying to get at is that some parent who is just upset at the school for whatever reason, just says that a child is being abused by, you know, a Mr. X and it's unfounded, it's unwarranted. It’s just really retribution. And at least there is due process that is in place that a parent… that a administrator or… will have some kind of rights that is 09500064.doc 77  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007 bestowed upon them if this accusation is made. Is that your intent of this?"

"Yes, Representative."

"Okay. Thank you."

Speaker Hannig: "Any further discussion? Representative Hernandez to close."

"I ask for your 'aye' vote."

"The question is, 'shall this Bill pass?' All in favor vote 'aye'; opposed 'nay'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Representative… Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 116 voting 'yes' and 0 voting 'no'. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Dunkin, you have Senate Bill 1433. Representative Dunkin, do you wish us to read this Bill? Do you wish us to read this Bill? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Representative Dunkin."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. Senate Bill 1433 is a Bill that simply exempts the Illinois Institute of Technology from retail sales tax on transfer of the cigarettes to not-for-profit research institutions that conduct tests on health effects of tobacco products and they do not offer them for resale. And I would encourage and ask for an 'aye' vote." 09500064.doc 78  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007

"This is on the Order of Short Debate. Does anyone stand in response? The Gentleman from Winnebago, Representative Sacia."

"Indicates he'll yield."

"You know, you would think so, but in this case that's not… that wasn't the case. But because… because they actually… they have a not-for-profit tax status… tax-exempt status. But they have to acquire these cigarettes from non-… or from for-profit organizations. So in other words, they go to a store, a major manufacturer in let's say North Carolina, where they manufacturer a lot of tobacco products."

"If they get them from there, that is a retail operation or a wholesale operation and so this simply would exempt them at least with Illinois tax and city tax."

"Yeah. I was under that impression, as well, but apparently not."

"Thank you."

"Representative Molaro."

"Did you… did you call on me, Mr. Speaker?"

"Yes. Representative Molaro."

"Okay, thanks. Let me ask you this, Representative Dunkin. It says here, the transfer of cigarettes are not- for-profit research institution that conducts tests concerning the health insurance or tobacco products and who does not offer the cigarette for resale. How do I know these researchers aren't going to come and buy these cigarettes and then have them for their own use? What do you have in your Bill if you catch them doing it?"

"Well…" Molaro: They're… just trying to get around the tax."

"Yeah. A great question. Actually the only people who smoke these cigarettes, Representative, are rats, white rats and other research mammals."

"Well, you know, there are some… what if one of these researchers wants to be a rat and try to get around paying the tax? What are you going to do about it? What are our state revenuers going to do about it? What's in the Bill, is that like a Class II felony or what?"

"That's another very good question. I'm not sure, but the mice and the rats that… the white rats and the white mouse…"

"Well…" 09500064.doc 80  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007

"…mice that they utilized this year, they tend not to… they don't pay any taxes and we're just doing research on them. We want to be exempt. So I would encourage an 'aye' vote as a result of that."

"Representative Eddy."

"Indicates he'll yield."

"I'm not… I don't have my… my numbers in front of me right now. But as I recall, it was about… the city collected more than the state, I know that. I want to say it was about maybe forty to sixty thousand dollars ($40,000 to $60,000) in taxes… I'm sorry. Just one second."

"In total with the city and the state and county taxes came up to about two hundred thousand dollars ($200,000)."

"A third good question."

"It's about and this is off the top of my head, it's about thirty-eight thousand dollars, six hundred and twenty-nine and fourteen cents ($38,629.14), if I can recall."

"Rodents, yes." 09500064.doc 81  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007

"No. You know, it's not that simple. This is… Representative, this is for… in all seriousness, this is for educational research, cancerous research that… and it's a major intuition here in this university are sponsoring."

"This is… Representative, this is just like in most of our great universities here, private and public, this is for research purposes, cancerous research purposes and it is a major grant from the…"

"Any further discussion? Representative Dunkin to close."

"Thank you."

Representative Dunkin to close. Representative Dunkin, do you wish to close? The question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All in favor vote 'aye'; opposed 'nay'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who 09500064.doc 82  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007 wish? Have all voted who wish? It's getting better, Representative. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Last call. Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 99 voting 'yes' and 17 voting 'no'. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Stephens, for what reason do you rise?"

"On Supplemental Calendar #1, under the Order of Senate Bills-Second Reading, is Senate Bill 13. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Okay. Let's take this Bill out of the record just a second. Mr. Clerk, read the Rules Report."

"And now, Mr. Clerk, read Senate Bill 13."

"Representative Currie."

"Thank you, Speaker and Members of the House. Amendment #2 was a technical Amendment and I would urge your adoption."

"Is there any discussion? Then all in favor of the Amendment say ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The ‘ayes’ have it. And the Amendment is adopted. Any further Amendments?"

"Third Reading. On page 13 of the Calendar, is… under the Order of Senate Bills-Third Reading, is Senate Bill 1544. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill. Mr. Clerk, let's return that Bill to the Order of Second Reading. And I am advised there are some Amendments. Are there any Amendments?"

"Representative Currie."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. This Amendment would close some corporate loopholes in the Illinois Income Tax Code and would bring into the state approximately three hundred million dollars ($300,000,000). There were no groups, no business groups that signed in, in 09500064.doc 84  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007 opposition to the measure when we heard it in the Revenue Committee this morning and the Members of the committee adopted the measure and let me just briefly go through with you what these changes would be. First, there would be a one-time opportunity for businesses that owe income taxes and haven't paid them to pony up and they would not have to face all of the penalties that usually would apply. Second, for nonresidents who are partners or are subchapter shareholders we would apply income withholding, many of them do not bother to file income tax statements with Illinois at the end of the year and this make sure they would pay their fair shor… share. Today corporations can deduct when they buy state and municipal bonds, of net of expenses, but Illinois taxpayers get a double deduction if they're going in the direction of federal bonds. This would say they get same kind of deductions for federal as they do currently for state and municipal bonds, it would bring everything on the same kind of keel. Right now, if a company's in bankruptcy and in a bankruptcy proceeding, a judge says with do not owe a debt, the debt is discharged, they're still entitled to deduct that debt from their bottom business line. At the same time, the person to whom they owe debt is also allowed to deduct that debt. So double deductions are cheating the rest of the taxpayers and this would end that, only the person who is… still is owed the uncollectible debt would be allowed to deduct it from its income tax return. Third, sometimes for… for reasons of… of tax activity, companies create sham affiliates and they use those affiliates to avoid paying 09500064.doc 85  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007 their fair share of state taxes. They send the logo to the company that's registered some place else, then they rent it back and they say that that rental is, in fact, a deduction that they can take against their state income tax. You'll have read recently that… that many companies are engaged in this kind of activity and again, they do it only for tax avoidance purposes, not because, in fact, there is a… a separate relationship. Right now, if you're a… a manufacturer doing business in Illinois we use the single sales factor to figure out how much income is owed here in this state. So, if they do 10 percent of their sales in Illinois, they pay 10 percent of their income here. But sometimes, particularly for the service industry, they follow a different rule, a 50 percent rule, and when you are talking about telecommunications or productions of energy when there are lots of different places where that company is in business, it is easy to conclude that the actual tax that comes to Illinois is… is much lower than we would find fair under the usual kind of apportionment. So what this would say is that if an Illinois customer, telephone customer, makes a call to an Illinois resident someplace else that that tax will apply on the destination even if the wiring took the… the juice out of state. So for both… both energy companies we will tax at the point where the meter is and for telecommunications we'll tax at the end point of the sale. Today, car rental companies don't pay sale taxes on the cars that they buy and then rent. We would end that exemption and we would also disallow what currently are 09500064.doc 86  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007 dividends that… that people who are engaged… corporations engaged in real estate investment trusts are able to deduct. They are able to deduct because the Federal Government allows it, but we never decided on the basis of fair public policy, we should do that in Illinois. So, this would end that opportunity. You'll have read recently that Wal-Mart has managed to avoid paying income taxes all over the country by doing its buildings in real estate investment trusts. Wal-Mart isn't paying its fair share. This Amendment would make sure that in the future they will. So that's…"

"The Ladies moves…

"…that's the list. I'd appreciate your questions. And I would also appreciate your support for adoption of the Amendment."

"On the Amendment, Representative Holbrook."

"Thank you. A question of the Clerk. I believe I signed this Bill over to Representative Currie. Would you please make the change on the board for me?"

"So Mr. Clerk, the sponsorship belongs with Representative Currie. All in favor of the Amendment say 'aye'; opposed 'nay'. The 'ayes' have it. And the Amendment is adopted. Any further Amendments?"

"Thank you, Speaker. Amendment #2 is a very technical Amendment and I would appreciate your support for its adoption." 09500064.doc 87  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007

"Any discussion? Then all in favor of the Amendment say 'aye'; opposed 'nay'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Any further Amendments?"

"Third Reading. We would like to announce that our State Treasurer is in the rear of the chamber. And we'll welcome him here to the Capitol, Alexi Giannoulias. So, Mr. Clerk, read Senate Bill 1544."

"We're going to take this out of the record at the request of the Sponsor. On page 20 of the Calendar, under the Order of Senate Bills-Second Reading, is Senate Bill 1674. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"And on Amendment #2, Representative Lyons."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think I want to withdraw Floor Amendment #2, the body of which will be included in Amendment #3."

"Okay. Okay. So, the Gentleman withdraws Amendment #2. And Mr. Clerk, are there other Amendments?"

"Representative Lyons."

"Amendment #3 basically has the changes from Amendment #2 incorporated in with it along a couple of technical 09500064.doc 88  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007 changes that were found in the Bill. So, these are technical changes to make the Bill complete."

"Is there any discussion? Then all in favor of the Amendment say… Excuse me. The Gentleman from Vermilion, Representative Black."

"State your inquiry."

Speaker Hannig: "Mr. Clerk, what's the status of Floor Amendment #3 and does it show up on the system? Yes. It's actually pending, but the question, Mr. Clerk, is it on the system?"

"He indicates he'll yield."

"Pardon me. Repeat that again. What is a what, Rep…?"

"The definition of a 'loan solicitor' I am not familiar with, Representative Black." 09500064.doc 89  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007

"Loan originator or loan solicitor, loan solicitor?"

"Representative, the loan solicitors are… are licensed under RMLA, but they do not perform the same function of a loan originator. So…"

"I'm having a hard time even hearing him."

"A loan originator is not licensed under RMLA, a loan solicitor is. The one major difference there."

"They are licensed."

"Right."

"They would work for a national bank, Representative."

"Loan solicitors are people who work on behalf of trying to find people loans. But they are not… they are exempt 09500064.doc 90  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007 from the… they are exempt from changing the loan terms, also, Representative."

"Loan originator could work for a national bank or for a mortgage."

"Right. Correct."

"Correct."

"Pardon me, Mr. Black, couldn't hear you."

"Representative, would it be… on the definition of this would it be out of order for us to have staff on the purpose of definition on this? I mean, the Bill… the Bill is huge. I mean, it…"

"Representative, most of what was included in Amendment 3 was included in Amendment #2 this morning, which we ran in committee in Financial Institutions. So, there were some technical changes made in drafting errors for Amendment #2. So, I don't imagine there's a tremendous amount of difference between Amendment 2 and Amendment 3 that's now posted, hopefully, on your analysis."

"So, and I guess… staff is also telling me, Representative Black, that this was actually included…"

"…in the technical changes…"

"…so loan solicitors would not be included in the Act."

"Representative Black, I'm having a hard time hearing you. My apologies."

"Representative, your time has expired on the Amendment, but I understand your situation. Why don't I give you, what… an extra 5 minutes?"

"Yes."

"Correct."

"Not all the time, Representative. No."

"To an extent, you could…"

"…interpret it that way."

"Probably today, Representative, mortgage brokers."

"Representative Osmond on the Amendment."

"He indicates he'll yield."

"I'm not sure, Representative. I don't know. Bank loan officers are not licensed."

"Correct."

"Yes."

"Representative, the… some of the parts of this Bill on the 40/50 requirements would be applicable to Cook County, but this would be in the statute and apply statewide." 09500064.doc 94  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007

"Correct."

"Correct, Representative. We talked about that in committee this morning. That the vast majority of the organizations involved in this are in the greater Cook County area. Yes, there are places throughout the state, but the vast majority, 90 percent of the numbers I was given, are in the greater Chicagoland area."

"Correct."

"Pardon me, Representative?"

"We drafted it in the language of the legislation, Representative."

"Understanding of the Bill is they could verify the assets in… any… any way available to them and they wouldn't be able to subject to…"

"It's the ability to repay would not be solely dependent on the income, Representative."

"It would take effect on the Governor's signature."

"As soon it's signed it would take effect."

"Representative, your… your time has expired. Could you bring your remarks to a close, please?"

"Yes, there was… House Bill 4050 that did take effect and many of those provisions have been changed in this 09500064.doc 96  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007 Bill. Some of the counseling was required on a credit score. There's different criteria in this Bill that do not reflect that. And there are also different provisions in this Bill which make it distinct from (sic-Bill) 4050 but keep the counseling requirements there, but under different sets of circumstances and not dependent solely on the credit score."

"Is there any further discussion? Then all in favor of the Amendment say 'aye'; opposed 'nay'. The 'ayes' have it. And the Amendment is adopted. Any further Amendments?"

"Representative Lyons."

"Mr. Speaker, it's my understanding the fiscal note was put on this… this Bill and I'd make the Motion to have it deemed inapplicable."

"So, the Gentleman moves that the fiscal note be ruled inapplicable. So, shall the fiscal note be ruled inapplicable? All those in favor vote… Excuse me, Representative Black."

"State your inquiry." 09500064.doc 97  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007

"It is, Representative."

"We're breaking him in, Representative Black."

"He indicates he'll yield."

"Have no fiscal impact to the State of Illinois. It's all financed through its own merits on… through the business that it affects and through the fee that we're trying to impose."

"It'll… will be the Department of Regulation, Financial Institutions will…"

"…regulate the Bill." 09500064.doc 98  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007

"Representative, I don't… I don't know what the… the employee level that would be required to implement this Bill."

"Representative, the program has been in existence, not in the form that it's going to, but it has been in existence."

"So, there are people who are monitoring it to some level. How much more of a burden this would be… I… I don't know. It's minimal…"

"…'cause if the plan is to phase this in over time any way, so." 09500064.doc 99  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007

"Representative, you'd…"

"Representative, you're talking about first part of the Bill which was 1526 on the rollback of the fees?"

"It's the first part of the Bill. That's my original Bill, House Bill 157…26(1526), that I sponsored and was amended into this. That… as you probably know, most of the money from those original expenses that were leftover and then swept or… are being held up in court right now. There's a court case pending on that…"

"…so the state hasn't realized anything on that. This just… from this point forward…"

"…prevents those funds for the credit unions and banks from being swept."

"Represent… no. I think there's… on an annual basis, I don't know. There's… there's somewhere in the vicinity… I… from recollection, probably forty ($40,000,000), fifty 09500064.doc 100  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007 ($50,000,000) million dollars sitting in escrow… sitting in a… an escrow…"

"…waiting to be acted on by the…"

"…courts or by agreement."

"Correct."

"Representative, your… your time has expired. Could you bring your remarks to a close, please?"

"Representative Cross."

"Representative Cross, as you know…"

"…time is precious as we go into the final hours of the Assembly and I'm just requesting this because of the time 09500064.doc 102  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007 constraints and would be hopeful that whoever instituted it, your side of the aisle or mine, that they consider pulling the… pulling the note off so we could move legislation."

"The Gentleman moves that the fiscal note be ruled inapplicable. Those… all those in favor vote 'aye'; opposed 'nay'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. There are 66 voting 'yes' and 50 voting 'no'. And the Motion prevails. And the fiscal note is ruled inapplicable. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill. 09500064.doc 103  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007 Clerk, move the Bill to Third Reading. Third Reading. And read the Bill."

"Representative Lyons, are you handling the Bill? Representative Lyons."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Let me explain to you what the Bill does do. 1674 took my original 1526, which as was talked about, did reduce the… the fees that were put in effect in 2004. It was a 27, 28 percent increase for all banks, credit unions, community banks, savings and loans in the State of Illinois. This reduces those fees back to the 2004 level. It provides that the fees can be increased if the Auditor General finds… that that would be necessary. But it does guarantee also, that if there's more than 25 percent of what's needed that the fees would be credited back to the financial institution. So, I… I don't… I don't see a problem with that. It's up-front. And it states exactly what it's intended to do. The additional provisions of this Bill asked for continuing education for loan originators. I asked the Department of Financial and Professional Resolution (sic-Regulation) to adopt rules requiring residential mortgage originators to attend annual continuing education classes by fiscal year '09. The predatory lending part of this Bill is rather extensive. I'll go through it as quickly as I can. But basically, what this predatory lending issue tries to do is aim to reducing the predatory lending activity in Illinois by 09500064.doc 104  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007 providing protections at the time of loan origination for consumers seeking residential mortgages. There's an article in the Tribune on Saturday by chance that shows that their foreclosure rates in the State of Illinois in the year 2006 were up 55 percent. So, these would be applicable to those licensees under the Residential Mortgage and License Act. And those would include, basically asking licensees under the Residential Mortgage and License Act to verify a borrower's ability to repay. Mortgages without verification ability have… have caused hundreds, if not thousands of people problems. This would ask the licensees to face the facts on principal and interest on the loan, taxes, assessments, insurance premiums, ultimately putting the borrower in a mortgage that they can afford over the long term. Two, there's a… prohibits any prepayment penalties with some exceptions. Illinois is only one (1) of eleven (11) states that still allows… pre… prepayment penalties. There would still be some options for that to be imposed. Another change would be the licensee must provide notice of any changes in the loan terms within three (3) days and no later than twenty- four (24) hours before the loan is closed. It requires that the licensees cannot give partial quotes when comparing different loans. It requires that… the requires is limited to provider's borrow… give a copy of all appraisals used to base the… on their appraisals to the borrower. Requires licensees to make disclosure if discussing future financing options. It prohibits a licensee from engaging in equity stripping or in loan 09500064.doc 105  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007 flipping. It prohibits licensees from financial… from financing certain insurance premiums that should not be allowed in it. And a more… a real consumer issue here, it creates a private right of action for a borrower injured or violated in standards or duties or prohibitations or requirements under this Act. So… there's even protections here for the licensees, 'cause the licensee under the Act is not liable if the broker or lender cures that violation within thirty (30) days after who closed the loaning or sixty (60) days if it's a legitimate, unintended error. The mortgage broker has… must have an agency relationship with the borrower which just means he has to keep the best interests and good faith for the borrower at hand. It does permit the Attorney General to enforce any violation of the Bill as an unlawful practice under the Consumer Fraud and Deceptive Business Act. Under the Cook County provisions here, which is the 40/50 issue that was referred to, it changes the predatory lending database program to collect data regarding certain mortgage products. And it does not use the credit rating score but it depends on a list of… of requirements here that are… and for the counseling that would be based on permits the interest… if there were permits interest only, it results in negative amortization if the total points and fees payable to the borrower at the time of closing will exceed 5 percent, if the loan relies on only stated income, if the loan has a prepayment penalty and an adjustable rate closed loan and mortgage transaction allows for the interest rate to adjust during the first five (5) years of the loan. Additionally and lastly, 09500064.doc 106  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007 that's pretty much the… the do-good part of the Bill. It does establish the phase-in for all of Cook County, for Cook County that's affected, would start in the City of Chicago, then be done to the northern townships and then the southern townships over a three-year period. Prohibits the counselors themselves from suggesting a provider. It also creates a predatory loan funding program that would make grants to HUD counseling services subject to… to appropriations. It would require the department to submit to the semiannual reports both to the Governor and to the… to the Legislature. And it would give Chicago the option of establishing a Home Equity Assurance Commission. The Commission would have to a provide low-interest home interest improvement loans in the…."

Speaker Hannig: "Representative Lyons, your 5 minutes have expired. Could you bring your introduction to a close, please?"

"Gary, I'm just finishing. It just allows the city to propose a commission following a referendum to establish a Foreclosure Prevention Fund. So, this Bill does a lot good things, a lot of good consumer protections. It does a good thing for the… for people who need help as I think is for the last eight (8) years Representative Burke, Representative Madigan have been carrying this issue. And this is a culmination of a lot of the Attorney General's work to put these protections into the Bill. So, I will be not so happy but be glad to take any questions that may be asked." 09500064.doc 107  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007

"Representative Durkin, you're recognized for 5 minutes."

"He indicates he'll yield."

"There… there is not one, Representative."

"Yes, for… in the best interest of the borrower."

"Yes, that's the agency relationship that we're… we're asking for. That's what's stated in the…"

"Again, I would… I would… I think because it is in the best… of what… of what the purpose of the agency relationship is to always look after the best interests of the… of the client. And this just allows that… that language to be applied to the… to the mortgage broker… to the mortgage broker relationship." 09500064.doc 108  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007

"Well, in the verification in the very get-go asked that… that everything be considered, not just the lendee's statement that… that'd have to be… provide verification on, you know, is there truly the ability to make the nut, the principal on the loan… interest on the loan, the taxes, the assessments, the insurance premiums, and just look after, you know, more than just a commitment on the borrower's part that… that they could handle it. They'd have to look into taxes… W-2s, assets that they may have in addition."

"Most of these changes and permutations that we're trying to make here meet standards that are already at the federal guidelines for… for banks and state… for federal banks already. So, we're just applying the same rules and standards to mortgage brokers."

"I think those were the ba… those were the basis for what the Attorney General put in there and I've been told the language is just about identical."

"Correct. And so does the department. The department also has authority on… on many of the same issues."

"I think the… the department goes after the individual licensees; the Attorney General's role in this would be if 09500064.doc 110  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007 there is a continued pattern of abuse, that they would pursue under… under a new law."

Speaker Hannig: "Representative, like Representative Black, your time has expired. But we'll grant you some additional time, as well. So…"

"…bring your remarks to a close."

"No. No criminal."

"That's correct and there's also, as I read in when I was doing the explanation of the Bill, Jim if there's an innocent problem they have sixty (60) days to reverse it. That's fine. If there's… there are provisions in part of the legislation that allow for corrections to be made within a thirty- or sixty-day window after a violation has been found."

"Only for fraud."

"What was the end of that question, Representative?"

"Correct. Yes."

"Representative Osmond." 09500064.doc 112  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007

"He indicates he'll yield."

"Representative, I would believe that would be just… you have to put the person who's coming to you for the services ahead of your… ahead of your own. You have to look out for their best interests. I don't know how much simpler you could explain… taking responsibility for the products and services that you're offering, no matter what they are, or not to take advantage of the person looking for those… for your product or your services."

"Representative, I think it'd just be a… if it was a conflict of concern on what… what it constituted… I mean, if it's a frivolous case, it would not be… it wouldn't have any legs on it, it wouldn't go anywhere. On the other hand, if there was… if you're going before… If you have 09500064.doc 113  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007 counsel have a look at the… the original loan or the original package that was presented and there were reasons to believe that there was a problem, then they'd pursue with… with legal remedies for it."

"Representative, there's… you know, the intent of the Bill certainly is not to encourage frivolous lawsuits. The intent of the Bill… the intent of the protections that the Attorney General has worked into this is to try to protect people from serious… taking advantage of certain people under certain circumstances."

"But the foreclosure rate that we've had… I mean, this legislation wasn't introduced for the purpose of being punitive to the good operators. This legislation and the language we're presenting here was brought here because there appears to be some problems with some of the lenders. This tries to put the consumer protections in there without, you know, putting the… the good people who do make a good faith estimate, good faith accounts of themselves in their business practice, this… this shouldn't… this shouldn't hurt them."

"Was that a question, JoAnn?"

"Many of the provisions in here are built off of national bank models. Much of the language here are already applicable to the banks who are not affected by this legislation. This just tries to remedy the problem at the state level for the problem that we have in the State of Illinois."

"Representative Black."

"He indicates he'll yield."

"No, Representative Black, this would be by statute statewide. It'd apply throughout the State of Illinois."

"The 40/50…"

"Correct."

"Primarily. Sure. Yes."

"Representative, when the language was drafted it was done at the statewide level and my understanding of the Bill, 90 percent of the loan originators for this are in the general Cook County… greater Chicago area."

"I mean, a Bill… pardon me… a loan can be originated anywhere. Chances are it won't be, but it could be." 09500064.doc 116  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007

"Now, he would. Yes, if it's applicable all over the State of Illinois."

"Could be."

"Representative Black, the rollback provision on this… We have no authority over federal banks. This is only for state banks, community banks, credit unions, savings and loans.”

"It does not apply to the federal banks."

"Yes."

"Correct."

"Representative, could you repeat that part of the question?"

"Representative, I am not familiar with that three million dollar ($3,000,000) fund. I mean… where does that dollar amount come from?"

"The fund is subject to appropriation."

"Mr. Black, your time has expired, but we'll grant you some additional time."

"So, we're going to put this on Extended Debate which require… which allows for 5 speakers on each side. We've already had 3 now, in response and 1 in support. And Representative Burke, you're recognized for 5 minutes."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. What is offered to you in the form of 1764 is a… might I suggest, comprehensive approach to our state dealing with the ever growing and devastating societal dilemma of predatory lending. This Bill is the culmination of the many years experience on the part of attorneys and the Attorney General's Office, who are attempting to find a 09500064.doc 119  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007 means of relief for those citizens who have fallen prey to unscrupulous home loan lenders. I, too, am no stranger to the subject having previously represented the community of Englewood on the southside of Chicago where, in one year's time back eight (8) years ago, there were over eight hundred (800) foreclosures. Can you imagine the devastation that had caused that entire community? A shocking revelation not only to what we in the government have not done to protect our citizens, but certainly a very sad commentary on how unsophisticated and how lacking our society is regarding matters of credit and basic lending principles. Ladies and Gentlemen, I am not suggesting or insisting through this legislation that we eliminate or diminish one's opportunity to acquire a loan in Illinois, but the intent of this Bill is to insure that our constituents can access credit with fair and reasonable terms and that those who are offering credit do it with fiduciary responsibility. Ladies and Gentlemen, the American dream to is own your own home. But lately, the American nightmare is to get that home under false pretenses only to lose it to foreclosure in a matter of months. Ladies and Gentlemen, I might direct your attention to the front page of the Wall Street Journal, today, and the headline is Subprime Aftermath; Losing the Family Home. Ladies and Gentlemen, this unfortunate activity that has gone on far too long is not only in the City of Chicago, it's not only in minority districts, it has reached far and wide. It is across the country and it's been quite evident in our state. We have a 09500064.doc 120  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007 responsibility to individuals in our constituency to protect their interests. We are not affecting decent, good mortgage brokers and there are plenty of them, and I'd be the last person to ever suggest that we could do without that industry. Subprime lending is needed and necessary. But those who have taken advantage of the unsophisticated market that's out there need to be controlled. They need to be punished for what they have done. And I believe that the language of this Bill is sufficient and comprehensive to do that. And I can only strongly recommend to you that you vote in favor of Senate Bill 1674. Thank you."

"Representative Kosel."

"He indicates he'll yield."

"No, Representative."

"You can… you can still have them if they're verified through another message through… through other assets."

"And if they aren't…"

"…then they wouldn't be. The underlying question here, you need to know the person can afford the loan."

"Representative, I'm sorry, can you repeat the…?"

"I couldn't hear your last question. So…"

"What… the question of what kind of income? Any income?"

"Those should all be available."

"Wouldn't there be documentation that would verify income from other sources or from interest incomes as on tax returns? Would be verifiable."

"It'd be verifiable for them in the last year."

"That should be ver… wouldn't that be verifiable? I mean, if they have it in some type of financial institution, a copy of a will, a copy of the check?" 09500064.doc 122  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007

"Representative, I don't know if I follow your line of questioning here. It's…"

"Under predatory lending provisions, yes."

"Representative, you may be mixing the apples and the oranges. The counseling would only be done within Cook County.

"The 40/50 provisions." 09500064.doc 123  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007

"Yes. It's a three hundred dollar ($300) a year requirement on all agencies that are in the business. One time, three hundred (300) a year of which a vast majority of these, again, are in the Cook County area."

"Representative, your time has expired. Could you bring your remarks to a close, please?"

"Upon the signature by the Governor."

"Correct."

"Sixty (60)."

"The Lady's requested a verification and will be granted one at the appropriate time. Representative Biggins, you're recognized for 5 minutes."

"He indicates he'll yield."

"The money would be deposited into the database… the fund that would be held for the training… for the counseling."

"It would be a once a year annual fee when an individual or a company renews their license."

"Yes."

"Correct."

"No, I respectfully disagree. I don't think so. I think it's trying to help the issue where it's needed most in the State of Illinois."

"Again, I think that's to where the primary need for this is to be used at least from the get-go. If this had to be done at a statewide level, at some point in time it could probably be a… additional language or the Bill could be presented to make it statewide."

"Representative Lang."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"He indicates he'll yield."

"Thank you. So, Representative, do I understand that the following groups support this: the credit unions, the community bankers, the Illinois bankers, the Attorney General, and other consumer groups. They all support this Bill?"

"Definitely, Representative. Yes, they do."

"So, what's going on with the people that tend to want to not be for this Bill? Don't they have this list in front of them? What do you think?"

"I can’t answer that, Representative. I don't know. I would imagine that was given out to almost every Member that could be reached with a piece of paper, 'cause that was all over our side of aisle. I…"

"Well, thank you. Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen, first, let me commend Representative Lyons for his hard work. And Representative Burke for his work over a number of years on this important issue. This is not an easy issue, it's a complicated issue. But I think we all have to recognize that there are many victims in our communities of predatory lending. There are many victims, people who are losing their homes, people who are victimized by a system they don't understand. It's too complex for them to do anything about and they're just losing their homes, left and right. It would be wrong to vote against a Bill that 09500064.doc 127  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007 was worked on so hard that all of these different groups have checked out pretty well. These are groups that we know and trust and support. The way this Bill is written it will help keep banks and credit unions operating in our state. So, not only is this good for consumers, people who take these loans out, not only will it protect them but it's projobs in our state. It’s proconsumer services in our state. In short, we've got a Bill that deserves to be passed. Is it perfect? I don't know. I suppose no Bill we ever pass in this chamber is perfect. This is a complicated area. I suppose even those who are for it might have a change… a page or two (2), a paragraph or two (2), they'd like to change. But Ladies and Gentlemen, a Bill this complex, a Bill this important, a Bill this significant requires compromise. It requires people coming to the table. It requires the long hours that Representative Lyons, Representative Burke, and others have put in to try to put before us a Bill that has some teeth, has some protections, but nevertheless, are supported by many of the people in and around the industry. So, I think that some of the opposition I've heard is a stretch. I think much of the opposition I've heard comes from folks that want to nitpick the Bill. This is an important consumer piece of legislation. People in communities in every one of our districts are being affected by predators, who would just as soon take their house as take their money. And so, this is legislation we must and should pass. And I strongly recommend an 'aye' vote." 09500064.doc 128  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007

"Any further discussion? Representative Lyons to close."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. And yes, Senate Bill 1674 is a very involved piece of legislation. The original part, House Bill 1576, was a rollback for fees that I think everybody in this chamber is certainly for and certainly strongly supported by every financial entity within the State of Illinois and that there is no question about how important this is for that group. But the predatory lending issue, folks, has been around here for eight (8) years. I think most of you know that this has been a true epidemic on the southwest side of Chicago. Representative Burke, Speaker Madigan and many people have worked for years on this issue. To reiterate, Representative Burke said they did eight hundred (800) foreclosures in his district alone in one year. So, we have been working on this or more directly the Attorney General's been working on this since the beginning of the year. Everybody had a seat at the table. There have been negotiations back and forth for many, many months. We've taken this Senate Bill, decided to let's put these… both these issues together. They both deserve merit. There's hundreds and hundreds of people in the State of Illinois that have become victim to predatory lending for all the wrong reasons that we all know. We're trying to protect people who need help, who need protection and by no means try to do anything to hurt the good operators who are playing by the rules and who will play by the rules. If there's any follow-up 09500064.doc 129  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007 legislation that has to be done on things, we do this all the time, a Bill of this magnitude often has to be… have a trailer to go along. If we do some… some… something that isn't in the best interest over the long-term and we can do that. But this Bill has been worked for many, many months by a lot of people. Everybody concerned with this has been at the table. The Attorney General took the lead on the consumer protection issues. And so I would ask… I would ask for your favorable consideration and I'd ask on behalf of the people who'll benefit the most by this, people who have been victims and people who can be victims. Give them your support and vote 'yes' on this Bill. Thank you, Ladies and Gentlemen, for all of your great questions. I wish I could have answered them a little bit more in more detail to you, but I appreciate your… your good intentions and my ability to ask (sic-answer) as best I could. Thank you, Mr. Speaker."

"The question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All in favor vote 'aye'; opposed 'nay'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Representative Mendoza, Hernandez, Dunkin, do you wish to be recorded? Mr. Clerk, take the record. And there's been a request for a verification by Representative Kosel. So, I'd ask for our staff to retire to the rear of the chambers. Members, please be in your seats. And Mr. Clerk, read the names of those voting in the affirmative."

"Representative Kosel."

"Representative Collins is in her seat."

"Representative Bill Mitchell."

"Hang on. Is Representative Bill Mitchell in his seat? Is he in the chamber? Okay. So, Mr. Clerk, how is Representative Bill Mitchell recorded?"

"Remove him. And Representative Granberg is in the rear of the chamber."

"Representative Lyons."

"Let's put this bad boy on Postponed Consideration, Mr. Speaker."

"Postponed Consideration. On page 13 of the Calendar, under the Order of Senate Bills-Third Reading, is Senate Bill 1544. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill." 09500064.doc 131  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007

"Representative Currie."

"Thank you, Speaker and Members of the House. This is an effort to close some corporate loopholes in the Illinois Corporate Income Tax Law. I think these are reasonable propositions and I think many of them have either outlived their usefulness or in fact, were never really intended to be opportunities to create jobs and economic development. First, we would provide for a corporate franchise tax amnesty program with beefed up enforcement from the Department of Revenue so that people would be less likely to be deadbeats in the future. Second, we would require withholding for nonresidents who are shareholders in subchapter S corporations… or partners. Third, we would change the way you get an exemption on federal bonds so it would match the way corporations take exemptions for state and municipal bonds. Fourth, we would end the double deduction for discharged debt. When a debt is discharged in bankruptcy, the person who had the debt discharged should not be able to deduct it from his or her income tax, only the person who's owed the money that is not ever going to arrive, that's the one who should be able to… to reduce the tax liability by that amount. Sometimes companies create sham affiliates and then they use those affiliates to reduce their state tax liability. We would end that practice. Fourth (sic-Fifth), there are ways in which figuring out what amount of income comes from activities in the State of Illinois for various service industries is a 09500064.doc 132  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007 very difficult proposition. We are choosing in this measure to see to it that, for example, if it’s a telecommunication service, it's the place where the call is answered. If it's an energy purchase, it'll be in the place where the meter is read. There are no… I would say to the Members of the chamber that this change in the allocation will have different impacts on different… of our industries and we have agreed with those industries to work over the summer months to see if we should tweak some of these provisions with respect to how, for example, the airline industry operates. This measure will go into effect January 1, and we have time to make some of those changes. They're not easy changes to make, they're not easy changes to conceive, but we are willing to talk to industries that might be affected differentially by these changes. We will end the sales tax exemption for rental car companies on the purchase of new vehicles. And finally, we will end the tax deduction for real estate investment trusts. This is the so-called Wal-Mart tax loophole in which Wal-Mart ends up creating these REITs, real estate investment trusts, and then they use that trust in order to be able to avoid paying taxes in Illinois. They act as if the… the rent they pay to the REIT is actually tax deductible here. I'd appreciate your support for this Amendment… for this Bill. All told, we think that this measure will bring in, perhaps, three hundred million dollars ($300,000,000), three hundred million dollars ($300,000,000) that represents tax equity, tax fairness among corporations and individual taxpayers in Illinois and 09500064.doc 133  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007 an opportunity to meet more of our responsibilities to the citizens in respect to health care, education, and other important human services. I'll be happy to answer your questions and I'd appreciate your support for this important measure."

"The Gentleman… Representative Turner in the Chair. The Gentleman from Jasper, Representative Reis, for what reason do you rise?"

"She indicates she will."

"We believe that's right."

"So, in the first year it will bring in somewhat less than three hundred million (300,000,000)."

"Yeah. Yeah. That is right. The amnesty figure that I gave you, twenty five million (25,000,000), that actually we believe could bring in a good deal more. That's a onetime only…"

"…and would happen in this coming fiscal year. And if indeed it is worth a good deal more, then the total for the coming fiscal year will be well more than half of the three hundred million (300,000,000) total." 09500064.doc 134  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007

"Not if the end user, I believe, is not in Illinois. What we have… let me give you a counter example. A telephone company, call originates, say, in Illinois, but then it's circuited around through Indiana and ends up hitting a customer… the recipient of the phone call actually lives in Danville. So, you've got an Illinois maker of the call, an Illinois receiver of the call, but because the circuit may take it outside the state under the service rule, apportionment rule today, the company could say, yeah, but the value of the circuitry outside Illinois is more than 50 percent, so we don't owe anything in Illinois on that call. So what we're trying to do is to set market factors and using this where is the destination in figuring out the allocation."

"Right." 09500064.doc 135  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007

"And… and Representative, that's one of the industries that we intend to do some work over the summer, clarifying exactly how the change in allocation will affect them because it does vary by industry and it is not our intention to hurt any industry with this measure, but we do think it's a good idea in terms of state pol… tax policy to work toward a market approach to allocating income and we recognize that different industries operate differently. So, we have committed to continue to work with them."

"Well, that, as I say, we're going to work on tweaking that language, but the idea here, we know that, for example, goods that are sold in Illinois. So, you've a multi-national corporation and the way it works under the single sales factor is that if you sell 10 percent of your goods in Illinois then the Illinois tax is 10 percent of your earnings. It's straightforward. What's happened in the service arena with the 50-50 rule is that we think that there are ways that tax lawyers and accountants are doing 09500064.doc 136  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007 their internal allocations in a way that means that we're not getting our fair share. And that's the reason for the change in the… in the distribution and destination language, but again, we do want to be responsive to market forces. That's what a tax system ought to be based upon, what's actually happening in the marketplace. So, we're willing to work with these individual industries further to make sure that we are allocating the fair share for each of those."

"And that's another of the destination issues in terms of allocations. Services are each different, but the point is that under current tax laws in the State of Illinois we believe many services are not paying there fair share. And that…"

"Turn Representative Currie on. Representative Reis."

"And that's what this measure is intended to do."

"Well, too… I'm sure that they are taxed. And the question really is how you allocate the tax that comes to Illinois as against the share they pay to Texas or the share they pay to North Carolina. And as I say, our effort here is to see to it that by virtue of… of the… of the routing that we are not getting shortchanged. That's all this is about." 09500064.doc 137  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007

Speaker Turner: "The Gentleman from Lake, Representative Beaubien."

For what reason do you rise?"

“Indicates she will”

"The Gentleman asks leave to move the Bill from Short Debate to unlimited Debate. And leave is granted."

"Well, first of all, let me just say that the only reason we have an exemption for REIT's is because the feds have one. We never made a policy decision in this state that it was important to create an incentive for corporations to participate in real estate investment trusts. If we want to have that debate, let's have it. The only reason that we have that deduction for them today is because the Federal Government made that determination on the much larger share of taxes that the Federal Government collects. So, we accidentally began offering this thirty-six million dollar ($36,000,000) freebie to corporations invested in real estate investment trusts 09500064.doc 139  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007 without any showing that it would create one job, that it would help the economy in one tiny way. We do know that there are corporations who use REITs in order to avoid ordinary taxes. Wal-Mart is a great example. They create a REIT, they pay the rent to the REIT, and then the REIT gets to take a big deduction from our tax base. Now, I don't think our Tax Code ought to be about making life easier for Wal-Mart. I don't think our Tax Code ought to be crafted so that clever lawyers and accountants at Wal- Mart can rob us blind. And that, Representative is what's happening."

"I should imagine that they would. They did before the federal tax deduction came through."

"Yeah. And on the discharge of bankrupt… of debt in bankruptcy…"

"Oh, I thought you started out with that."

"Oh."

"The Lady from Brown, Representative Tracy, for what reason do you rise?"

"She indicates she will."

"Are you… I'm sorry. I'm not sure which item you're…"

"I don't know if your #6 is the same as mine, Representative."

"Well, my…"

"Well, our effort here is to say that if it's a company that does business in many other states, today, under the single sales factor approach, they pay taxes in Illinois based on their sales in Illinois."

"So, if they… 10 percent of the sales are in Illinois, they pay taxes on 10 percent of their income." 09500064.doc 141  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007

"That's right. There's no change in that taxation approach."

"Yes."

"It… under the Illinois Corporate Income Tax it would be net income. So, they can deduct their business expenses. The problem with some of these destination issues is that when… whether it's a telephone call, electricity coming into the home, those kinds of items, it's difficult to figure out what portion of the creation of that phone call can be attributed to Illinois. So, with the effort here…"

"…is to try to find an easier, more straightforward way of making sure that a fair share of those revenues are allocable to Illinois as they are if you're talking about sale of a product, a physical product."

"I don't think anything because I think the point is that you… that we're trying here to tax the… the destination."

"As an easier way of figuring out how you allocate what went into the company's costs for providing that service. And again, as I said in my opening remarks, we do intend to work over the summer with the trucking industry and the airline industry and other… other distributors of services that do cross state lines to make sure that we have been fair to each of them as we change our approach to a more market-based approach in figuring out where the costs really are."

"Right."

"Okay."

Speaker Turner: "The Gentleman from Peoria, Representative Leitch… Oh, I'm sorry."

"Wait… she's… well, she's not finished. We're just looking something up. I… I think all that means is to the extent that that… not that individual truck has… is passing through the state, but to the extent that that company is delivering goods, delivering its services in Illinois, we would take into account a… a numerical factor that would represent the totality of the miles driven and the… the resulting in services that were offered in Illinois." 09500064.doc 143  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007

"And… and some… some industries we may want to change the actual… how… how you do the equation, depending on what kind of services they are providing."

"Bring your remarks to a close."

"Representative, all I can say is that it's my understanding that for a company that produces items for sale they are liable for taxes in Illinois based only on the proportion of sales that they make in Illinois."

"Yes."

Speaker Turner: "The Gentleman from Peoria, Representative Leitch, for what reason do you rise?"

"Indicates she will." 09500064.doc 144  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007

"No."

"I… would… I don't think that's right. What we are doing when we talk about unitary business groups is to say that if you've got a sham affiliate you can't… you can't avoid your tax responsibility in Illinois. But we're not repealing the lock box."

"I believe that's right."

"We'll have a second…"

"…we'll certainly have a second look, Representative. We are concerned about affiliate relationships if they are organized solely for purposes of avoiding a fair share of Illinois taxes."

"Well, Representative, all I can say is…"

"…if that were true, I think this Bill would be worth a whole lot more than three hundred million dollars ($300,000,000)."

"I said, if that were true I think this Bill would be worth a lot more than three hundred million dollars ($300,000,000)."

"The Gentleman from Vermilion, Representative Black, for what reason do you rise?"

"Indicates she will."

"I don't know what the actual number or percentage is…"

"…but I know REITs are an popular form of real estate investment." 09500064.doc 146  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007

"No. But it… it isn't how the financing is organized, it's the question what kind of… how… how a corporation tax… is taxed…"

"…on its REIT income, its REIT dividend. So, it doesn't make any difference the financing is in place. The question is, how does the corporation…?"

"…pay taxes?"

"Yes. It… there is… I don't know what you mean when you say, no grandfather. This is all going forward. So, when the REIT, the corporate REIT gets its dividend, gets its money…"

"…gets its whatever, it just will not have a loophole…" 09500064.doc 147  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007

"…in the Illinois Income Tax, it'll pay its fair share."

"No, actually yours will not. This is not about…"

"…individual investment in REITs, we're talking about the Corporate Income Tax."

"That's right."

"And of course it…"

"The Gentleman from Williamson, Representative Bradley, for what reason do you rise?" Bradley, J.: "To the Bill. The Taxpayers Federation of Illinois, this morning, indicated that they had no position on the merits. And I've been handed a note from them which indicates that they are supporting the Bill in a qualified manner. They have some concerns regarding the sourcing rules, but believe that the Bill is justified on a policy basis. And so, with these limited reservations appropriately support the… Senate Bill 1544. And I thought people would want to know that." 09500064.doc 149  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007

Speaker Turner: "And the Gentleman from Winnebago, Representative Winters, for what reason do you rise?"

"No, there is not."

"That's what we believe. That's what we believe."

"Representative, I don't think there's much likelihood that any of them would."

"We have an approximate notion based on earlier versions of some of these same concepts. The difficulty is that we're not mirroring language from earlier Sessions of the General Assembly, so that it's possible with that the old numbers will not accurately reflect the specifics of the new." 09500064.doc 150  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007

"Yeah, although, we now think that they probably will bri… that will probably bring in a lot more."

"There is a suggestion that that twenty-five (25,000,000) is in fact way too low an estimate."

"That would be one-time…"

"…revenue, but we would hope that that redoubled efforts of enforcement on the part of the State Department of Revenue would discourage people from being tax deadbeats."

"That… that's not included."

"We did not… did not redefine U.S. businesses to…"

"For federal bonds? That is in the Bill. We… we think that it's fair to say that when you get a deduction when you invest in a state or a municipal bond, that deduction should be the same if you're investing in the federal bond. Why should we…"

"…in the State of Illinois…"

"…encourage people to… to invest in federal bonds rather than those of our own state or of our own local governments?"

"Yeah, I do."

"The REITs is about thirty-five (35,000,000) or thirty- six million (36,000,000)."

"Yeah."

"Twenty… twenty million (20,000,000) on the…"

"…other."

"Turn him on. Let him finish."

"Representative Currie to close."

"Thank you, Speaker and Members of the House. This is a modest effort to make sure that corporations operating in the State of Illinois pay their fair share of Illinois taxes. It is indeed, as the prior speaker said, not a 09500064.doc 153  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007 massive tax increase, but it is a way of making sure that Wal-Mart pays its fair share, that other corporations don't use outdated tax laws to avoid a fair response to their responsibilities here. We did… as mentioned earlier in committee today, there was not one single statewide business organization, in fact not one business organization, that signed in in opposition to the proposals for Senate Bill 1544. This will not hurt the Illinois economy, but it will help us meet our responsibilities to our school children, to our elderly, to our citizens who need help with their mental health care or the care of their developmentally disabled children. Three hundred million dollars ($300,000,000) is not a massive increase, but it's a fair increase. And I would certainly encourage… encourage you to join me in closing these tax loopholes that are not about bringing jobs and businesses to Illinois, but are about avoiding a fair share of business responsibility to tax fairness in this state. Please vote 'yes'."

"I would like to remind the Members that there has been a request for a verification. So, each Member should vote his own button. The question is, 'Shall the House pass Senate Bill 1544?' All those in favor vote 'aye'; all those opposed vote 'no'. The voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question, there are 63 voting 'aye', 53 voting 'no'. There's been a request for a verification. All Members and staff should retire to the immed… rear to 09500064.doc 154  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007 the back of the chamber. And Mr. Clerk, will you read those voting in the affirmative."

Speaker Turner: "The Gentleman from Lake, Representative Beaubien."

"Representative Hamos. The Lady is in her chair. She's down front."

"Here."

"So, on this question, there are 63 voting 'aye', 53 voting 'nay', 0 'presents'. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On the Order of Postponed Consideration, we have Senate Bill 1674. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk. No. It's on Postponed. Representative Monique Davis." 09500064.doc 155  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007 Davis, M.: "I think we've… we've heard this Bill about an hour ago and I think all the questions have been answered. I would just ask for a favorable vote."

"The Lady… you've heard the Lady's Motion. The question is, 'Shall the House pass Senate Bill 1674?' All those in favor should vote 'aye'; all those opposed vote 'no'. The… the Gentleman from Kendall, Representative Cross, for what reason do you rise?"

"Thought there was ample debate before I went into the Chair."

"It's the same Bill."

"The Gentleman from Vermilion, Representative Black, for what reason do you rise?"

"State your inquiry."

"Representative, I believe Representative Davis has always been the Sponsor of this Bill."

"Right. Representative Lyons was the Sponsor of the Amendment."

"He was the Sponsor of the Amendment."

"This is the Bill that we heard a little while ago, you're correct."

"No changes, no additions."

"She indicates she will."

Speaker Turner: "Representative Davis to conclude… Representative Black, bring your remarks to a close."

"There being no further questions, the question is, 'Shall the House pass Senate Bill 1674?' All those in favor should vote 'aye'; all those opposed vote 'no'. The voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Representative Wait. Representative Dunkin. The Clerk shall take the record. On this question, there are 62 voting 'aye', 52 voting 'no', 2 voting 'present'. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Mr. Clerk, read the Rules Report."

"On page 18 of the Calendar, we have Senate Bill 1132. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

Speaker Turner: "The Gentleman from McLean, Representative Brady, for what reason do you rise?"

"Representative Brady, how much time do you think you'll need for your caucus?"

"An hour to two?"

"An hour or two."

"Representative Brady, the House will stand…"

"…in recess 'til 9:30. We'll give you an hour and a half."

"We will stand in recess 'til 9:30. Democrats can go and eat, have dinner. No, wait a minute. Representative Berrios, the Lady from Cook, for what reason do you rise?" 09500064.doc 161  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007

"Purpose of an announcement."

"State your announcement."

"It's actually a reminder for the Democrats, sorry Republicans, but we are still having the kickoff to the Puerto Rican festivities at the Inn. So, there is Puerto Rican food from Chicago, a live salsa band over there and we can go enjoy it for a little bit. Republicans, if you get out of caucus a little early, come join us over there. The food is great. I've been getting phone calls. Thanks."

"Just be back by 9:30. …is in recess. The House will come to order. On page 18 of the Calendar, we have Senate Bill 1132. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Representative Hannig on Amendment #1."

"Yes. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'd ask that we just adopt this Amendment and then debate the Bill on Third Reading. So, I'd move for the adoption of Floor Amendment #1."

"The Gentleman moves… Representative Black."

"Of the 'aye' votes? Okay."

"The Gentleman…"

"You'll be all right." 09500064.doc 162  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007

"To adopt…"

"Yeah."

"They're all waiting on the elevator right now."

Speaker Turner: "I just saw six (6) of them downstairs. They're on their way up. The Gentleman asks leave for the adoption of Senate Amendment #1. All those in favor say 'aye'; all those opposed say 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. And the Amendment's adopted. Further Amendments?"

"Representative Hannig moves for the adoption of Floor Amendment #2. All those in favor should say 'aye'; all those opposed say 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. And Amendment #2 is adopted. Further Amendments? The Gentleman from Montgomery, Representative Hannig, for what reason do you rise?"

"Yes. Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. It's my understanding that a note has been filed. Is that correct, on this Bill?" 09500064.doc 163  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007

"Clerk… Mr. Clerk."

"Yes. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would move that that note is inapplicable."

"The Gentleman from Vermilion, Representative Black, for what reason do you rise?"

"Representative Hannig."

"To close, Mr. Speaker?"

"Yes."

"Yes. But thank you, Mr. Speaker. If you'd look at the language of the Balanced Budget Act, it's… it's set up to deal with supplemental appropriations and the concept is that when you have a budget in place and then you pass a supplemental at sometime during the year, that it gives you an opportunity to see how those two (2) documents work together and if the new spending unbalances your original plan. But this is an original plan for fiscal year '08 and so, it really doesn't apply to the Bill that we have before us. And so, I would move that the balanced budget note is inapplicable."

Speaker Turner: "The Gentleman from Morgan, Representative Watson, for what reason do you rise?"

"…your inquiry."

"The rules state that we can go to the vote and rely on the experts who punch their buttons."

"Members of this chamber."

Speaker Turner: "Well, we de… they're going to make the decision… you are going to make the decision whether this is inapplicable."

"This is what the rules state. The rules were adopted by the Body and so we're abiding by the rules. So, the question is, 'Shall this budget note… is this budget note inapplicable?'"

Speaker Turner: "The Gentleman from Peoria, Representative Leitch, for what reason do you rise?"

"We'll get back to you on that later."

"…eyes look pretty bright to me."

"Representative, we'd like to take care of this order of business first, then we'll go to your Motion."

"Thank you. The Lady from Cook, Representative Mulligan, for what reason do you rise?"

Speaker Turner: "So, the question is, 'Shall the balanced budget note be declared inapplicable?' All those in favor should vote 'aye'; all those opposed vote 'no'. The voting is now open. The Clerk shall take the record. On this question, there are 64 voting 'aye', 52 voting 'no', 0 voting 'present'. And the note is declared inapplicable. Representative Hannig on Senate Bill 1132. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill. Move to Third. Representative Black, the Gentleman from Vermilion." 09500064.doc 169  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007

"Representative Black, the parliamentarian will respond to your inquiry."

"Turn on Representative Black. What did you say, Representative?"

Speaker Turner: "The parliamentarian's reviewing. Let me recognize Representative Stephens, the Gentleman from Bond, for what reason do you rise?" 09500064.doc 172  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007

"We will let the parliamentarian, one more time, give you his ruling on this particular issue." 09500064.doc 173  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007

"The Gentleman from McHenry… the Gentleman from McHenry, Representative Franks, for what reason do you rise?"

"Thank you. I'm looking at these rules, as well. And I agree with the parliamentarian, I think it's very clear. You're not married to me, Ron, you can't say that. But though reading this is very clear. I’m not… Listen, I'm not a great lawyer, but I do understand this, because of the 'or' and when you look at it, and look at 22 (b) subsection 2, as long as the Rules Committee exempt it, that's what happens and that's what they did. You might not like it. They can determine where it goes. My understanding, by exempting it, they can exempt what's before that. And I… I understand your argument, I understand your frustration. Believe it. But it's legal."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Lang for what reason do you rise?"

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, to bring some order to this place. We have a debate going on and no Motion on the table, there's nothing going on here. We have Members 09500064.doc 174  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007 screaming without a microphone. If someone has a Motion to overrule the Chair let them make the Motion and let's move forward with some order. It's late at night and let's move forward, please."

"Your point is well-taken."

"Really. Good."

"The Gentleman from Vermilion, Representative Black, for what reason do you rise?"

"And the Gentleman…"

"The question is, 'Shall the ruling of the Chair be sustained?' All those in favor should vote 'aye'; all those opposed vote 'no'. The voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. There are 64 voting 'aye', 52 voting 'no', 0 'presents'. And the Chair is sustained. Mr. Clerk, move Senate Bill 1132 to Third Reading and then read the Bill."

"The Gentleman from Montgomery, Representative Hannig on Senate Bill 1132."

"Yes. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House." 09500064.doc 175  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007

"The Gentleman from Vermilion, Representative Black."

Speaker Turner: "You weren’t recognized for that purpose. Representative… Representative Hannig. The Lady from Cook, Representative Mulligan, for what reason do you rise?"

"You have been recognized for that purpose and the doorknob is working. Representative Hannig on Senate Bill 1132."

"Yes. Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. Most years when we come to this point in the Session it takes a long period of time to explain the differences that we have between last year's budget and this year's budget. But with this proposal the number of changes is relatively small. In fact, most of what we're voting on today is the FY07 budget. But we do have some important changes that I would like to note that I think most of you, I hope most of you, will agree with. This budget proposes to increase the general state aid that is the foundation level by three hundred and eighty-seven dollars ($387). That's an 8 09500064.doc 176  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007 percent increase. If you look at the budgets over the last two (2) years the increases have been in the range of two hundred dollars ($200) or a hundred and seventy dollars ($170). So considering the difficulty that we face today, I would say that the increase that we're proposing with this budget while it may not be as much as some had hoped for it's certainly a healthy increase and it's certainly something that will allow our K-12 institutions to move forward. We'll maintain the mandated categorical prorations exactly as they are this year. We'll have thirty-million dollars ($30,000,000) for early childhood development and 5.3 million dollars ($5,300,000) in the transitional assistance so that every school district in the State of Illinois will receive at least as much as they did in FY07. There's a 2 percent increase to our state universities. We have money for our community colleges to offset the Ill… the cost associated with the Illinois Veterans' Grants. We have money for the MAP. The MAP money for our students that wish to go to higher education institutions throughout the State of Illinois, both public and private. We have some Human Services increases for placement in community facilities. This is an increase of thirty-seven million dollars ($37,000,000) net… 37.5 million dollars ($37,500,000) net and we have additional money for our nursing homes in the State of Illinois, as well. We have a hundred and ten million dollars ($110,000,000) that will hold DCFS harmless to their FY07 level. I think when we consider all that we've faced so far this year and is the distance that we've come I think 09500064.doc 177  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007 that we would… I would hope that we could say that this is a budget that makes sense with the revenues that we have at hand. It puts the priorities in the right place by giving the lion's share of this money to our schools while still addressing health care. And I would suggest that while I know everyone in this chamber would say that they'd like to spend more money on any number of proposals, we've seen the difficulty we've had this year in trying to find additional revenues and so I would argue that this is the best that we can do at this revenue level. And Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I believe that this is a good budget. It's a solid, modest budget that will allow us to move forward. I'd ask for your 'yes' vote and I'd be happy to answer any questions."

"The Lady from Cook, Representative Mulligan, for what reason do you rise?"

"The Lady asks leave to have the Bill taken off of Short Debate and now it will be on unlimited debate. Your request has been honored."

"Representative, the continuing appropriation language that exists in statute is not modified by this Bill or any Bill that we're proposing and so those moneys would be paid automatically."

"I believe that the GRF component increase is about five hundred and fifty million dollars ($550,000,000) and the language that exists in the statute authorizes the systems to certify and simply go to the Comptroller and collect the money and that's… we've accounted for the money in our budget, but we haven’t increased the line."

"Representative, there would be a payment cycle situation issue that would occur."

"Representative, I would think that, you know, when we pass this budget and if it becomes law on July 1, we're certainly looking at a significant amount of time before the… the state and the agencies find any difficulty with the appropriation that they have. I think it's certainly possible that we could go through the entire fiscal year and if the state is able to manage wisely, that we can… we 09500064.doc 179  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007 can deal with the appropriation level that we have. But certainly, if we find as we go forward that we have additional money say in January or even in December or November at the Veto Session we can always do supplemental appropriations."

"Representative again, we tried to set the priorities where I think most of us would feel that we need to spend the money. And at least, in our caucus, when we polled our Members, education polled #1. So, to the degree that we felt that we could find additional moneys to spend, we put those new moneys in education and we would suggest that there will be opportunities for the Governor, as people retire, as people leave State Government, that those vacancies will simply exist and that we will manage that line item in that way along with any number of consolidations that the agency is proposing."

"Well, Representative, you're… you're actually correct. I mean we could… we could pass a budget that would authorize ten thousand (10,000) new people on the state payroll and the Gover… Governor would not have to hire a single one. So, just because we pass a budget authorizing additional head count, as we have sometimes in the past, does not require this Governor or any Governor to hire 09500064.doc 180  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007 those people. So, he's managed in the past at numbers less than the appropriated amount and so we believe he can manage again this year."

"Again, I would say the same thing, Representative. On July 1, there should be sufficient appropriation and moneys in the budget for the Governor to pay on a normal cycle. We believe that as we go forward if we find a situation where there is additional moneys in the Veto Session and… and at anytime, really, if the Governor wishes to call a Special Session we can always reconvene and we can deal with supplementals if additional revenues come in and we feel that that’s an important enough issue to deal with."

"Give her a minute."

Speaker Turner: "Representative Smith yields his time to Representative Mulligan. Go ahead."

"That is a grant, Representative." 09500064.doc 181  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007

"Representative, this is a facility that provides the most uncompensated health benefits or health care in the State of Illinois for those who believe that we should have health care, I think this is one opportunity where we can help an institution that's actually providing free health care to people whenever they come in the door from wherever they live."

"Representative, again, this is a hospital that provides a huge amount of uncompensated care. It's the… it probably has the most amount of uncompensated care health care services to… to citizens of the State of Illinois many… at least some, from beyond Cook County who come in and… and are served. So this is an opportunity, I think, for those who say they believe in health care to try to be of some assistance to the biggest provider in the state."

"The amount went up by three hundred and eighty-seven dollars ($387) and I believe that puts us at five thousand 09500064.doc 183  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007 seven hundred twenty-one dollars ($5,721) under the proposed budget… under this proposed budget."

"This does not include the supplemental, Representative."

"Well, Representative, I'm a Sponsor of the supplemental and I'd be happy to call it if you could give me about 15 votes from your side of the aisle. I'm certain we could put it over to the Senate for their consideration."

"We can call it after this Bill, if it's… if you can show me that we have ten 10 or 15 votes on your side."

"Representative, you… you asked me the question if I was in favor of the supplemental and the answer is 'yes'. 09500064.doc 184  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007 And I… I just hoped that your side of the aisle would help us."

"Representative, we… we're viewing the supplemental as a stand-alone Bill that… that came to this Body a month ago. I believe, and we're trying to find 60 votes to pass it."

"You want to bring your remarks to a close, there is somebody else yielding."

"You may proceed."

"So Representative, we've… we've appropriated specifically 7.2 million dollars($7,200,000) seven million two hundred and sixty-one thousand five hundred (7,261,500) to be what we believe to be… to offset the 50 percent of the cost associated with the Illinois Veterans' Grant. So we tried to, I think, identify a problem that… that a number of Members on both sides of the aisle have said that we… we need to deal with and then the rest is just available to be distributed amongst all the community colleges."

"Representative, we took the '07 budget as is and made some changes where we thought we could put additional spending in, because of the lateness of the hour and the inability, I think, of our staff to pull together a huge document from scratch, we simply took the '07 budget as it existed and made changes in it where we felt were appropriate in the area of education and health care."

"Well, Representative, the Governor's budget as introduced is based on a Gross Receipts Tax which we would all agree is not going to happen; it's based on a payroll 09500064.doc 186  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007 tax that… that may or may not happen it certainly hasn’t passed any chamber today. And so he introduced a budget that was about 30 percent out of balance with… with what we're proposing here, so we took last year's budget because it seemed to be more in line with where we could… where we could work and start and then moved up, rather than try to take his budget and roll it way down."

"That's… that’s correct, Representative, and again it's a situation where we took the '07 budget and simply rolled it into the '08."

"Representative, certainly we made changes in the budget in education and health care because we thought that was the highest priority of our caucus and I… and I think probably of your caucus. But we do not believe that given the limited amount of revenues that are available, that we can simply go through and make additions to every line in the budget. I wish that we could, perhaps we'll find that we have more money than we think and can come back and do that at a later time, but at this time, this is a very modest approach based on the revenues we believe that are available."

"Well, Representative, considering that 99 percent of it is actually last year's budget, you know, probably most of them that voted on it last year are familiar with most of what's in here."

Speaker Turner: "Representative, your time is up. Representative Coulson yields her time to you. Proceed."

Speaker Turner: "The Gentleman from Morgan, Representative Watson, for what reason do you rise?"

"He indicates he will."

"It's at the same level as last year and you'll recall there was last year, I think, a seventy million dollar ($70,000,000) lump sum that was available to the Governor for some new hires and that money is still in this document as well." 09500064.doc 189  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007

"Well, I mean, that's the difficulty we've had, Representative. Even when we've added new money for front- line positions the Governor may choose not to… not to hire. And so we can… and we can't compel him, in fact, he has had a good history for the taxpayers' point of view, I suspect, of being able to spend less than the appropriated amount on personal services."

"Well, we've got a 5.3 million dollar ($5,300,000) amount in there for the transitional assistances too, so that all school districts will receive at least the same amount of money as last year. And you would think that with the three hundred and eighty-seven dollar ($387) increase, which is about 8 percent in the foundation, that any school district that isn’t losing huge amounts of… of students are seeing huge amounts of increases in property taxes that they should… they should see some pretty good increases in their General State Aid."

"No school should… no schools receive less money than last year, that's correct, Representative."

"I certainly don't envision any, Representative."

"The GRF portion of the… of the pension payment increases by about five hundred and fifty million dollars ($550,000,000)."

"And… and that's correct; it's accounted for."

Speaker Turner: "The Gentleman from DeKalb, Representative Pritchard, for what reason do you rise?"

"He indicates he will."

"That’s correct, Representative, with some… some upward revisions."

"There were proposals put into that budget in 19… in 2007. That’s correct, Representative." 09500064.doc 191  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007

"Well, Representative, those dollars… those values would be in this budget, but there's no commitments from the Governor's Office that he's going to spend them, in fact, my guess is, you know, who knows what will happen."

"Right. In fact, I think there's some Members who would say that they're still waiting for the 2… or the 2007 promises to be done for whatever reason."

"Representative, this would have the same amount of… of appropriation for Medicaid as we have in 2007."

"It would roll in, Representative. There's a normal cycle that takes place in Medicaid, sometimes the providers… they have up to like two (2) years I believe to actually submit their bills. For whatever reason, some people take more than a normal cycle and so when they submit, they… they get in line even though they may be for the wrong fiscal year." 09500064.doc 192  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007

"Well, Representative, we've got a supplemental appropriation Bill that deals with the hospital assessment and I… I don’t know exactly which hospitals you would have, but it may be helpful to them if we could pass that Bill as well."

"Well, Representative, I think in the end many of the citizens I represent tell us that we just need to live within our means, that we need to make the hard choices that… that you and I make in our personal life, that government needs to do that and this is part of what we're doing here with this budget. It would be easy if we had an 09500064.doc 193  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007 extra three or four billion dollars ($3,000,000,000 or $4,000,000,000) maybe we could all agree to skip a pension payment and we would just fund all of those things, but I think we've tried to not do those kind of things. We've tried to live within our means. And so, Representative, it's difficult to do, but I think we tried to take those dollars that are available and put them into the right priority."

Speaker Turner: "The Gentleman from Macon, Representative Mitchell, for what reason do you rise?" Mitchell, B.: "Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Would the Sponsor yield?"

"He indicates he will." Mitchell, B.: "Thank you. Mr. Hannig, just a few questions in regards specifically… let's talk about community colleges. You and I come from same neck of the woods here. My community colleges haven’t faired too well in the last several fiscal years. We have a 900 page document that we haven’t seen, I’ll bet most of the Members of this House. You said in terms of reporting a state budget out from Rules Committee without going to the appropriate Appropriations Committee that you can do it. Because you 09500064.doc 194  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007 can do it doesn’t mean that you should do it. Now, I want to know specifically, Richland Community College in Decatur, Illinois, how are they going to do in fiscal year '08 compared to fiscal year '07?"

"Well, Representative, it would be the same as it was last year except that they would be reimbursed based on the number of Veteran's Grants that they had over and above last year." Mitchell, B.: "So, would they get… Could… could they receive less money? They've received less money in the last several fiscal years."

"Representative, if their attendance is way down, they could receive less money, since the formula is based to a large degree on how many student hours they actually enroll people. So, it is possible." Mitchell, B.: "So, we could be passing a budget, we don’t know how much Richland or Lincoln Land, that you represent and I represent, or Heartland or Illinois Central College, all those community colleges that are so important to the economic health of central Illinois; we don’t know."

"Because we… because we have a formula that's determined by how many people enroll." Mitchell, B.: "And… and we have a process that Appropriations Committees don’t mean that they're Appropriations Committees. Now, I can tell you for the people that I represent in central Illinois, they're highly skeptical of what's happening here under this dome when they read in the newspapers that Chicago State is going to get forty million dollars ($40,000,000), in the gaming. And that Illinois 09500064.doc 195  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007 State is going to get cut, which I represent near that area, McLean County; they're skeptical."

"So Representative, this doesn’t cut Illinois State, this budget…" Mitchell, B.: "Are they sure? Do… do, they get the rate of increase that Chicago State University's getting?"

"They'll get the same am… both universities will get the same as last year, under this proposal with an adjustment upward." Mitchell, B.: "Okay. Thank you. Thank you. To the Bill."

"So… so, it's a flat… it's an across-the-board adjustment." Mitchell, B.: "To the Bill. To the Bill. We're here; we're doing a budget. No one knows what's in this budget we're going to send it through. And we spent some time talking about electric rates and my colleagues, my Democratic downstate colleagues at Ameren, said they're not going to vote for a state budget unless we get some electric rate relief. Why are my fellow Democratic colleagues from downstate Illinois prepared to vote for a budget without providing the people of downstate Illinois any rate relief? What do I tell Eunice Russell in Emden, Illinois? She says, 'I'm eighty-seven (87) years old and live on Social Security. I have three (3) rooms and a bath. I can't afford to pay these bills.' What do I tell Lois Trotter in Decatur, Illinois? She doesn’t know what she's going to do. She's seventy-eight (78), she can't pay her bills. And this General Assembly said we pay a lot of lip service, we play a lot of politics that the people of Illinois are 09500064.doc 196  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007 awfully darn tired of. We send a Bill over to the State Senate; they send another one over here, but the people of Illinois are continuing to pay high electric rates and nothing's happening. Where are my colleagues in downstate Illinois standing up for those people? They need help."

"The Gentleman from Winnebago, Representative Winters. Representative Winters, for what reason do you rise?"

Speaker Turner: "The Gentleman from Bond, Representative Stephens, for what reason do you rise?"

"The Gentleman from Champaign, Representative Rose, for what reason do you rise?"

"State your question."

"Not in this budget, Representative."

"There are not, Representative, it's a flat budget."

"In that area."

"It's… It's all flat, Representative, same as last year."

"The… there are the across-the-board increases for universities, but they're all treated the same."

"Oh, I'm sorry, I thought you said Chicago State."

"Representative, I… I always associate you with the higher ed guys, so… so, I guess I was thinking that way."

"But no, the… those areas of the budget are flat. They're the same as last year. They're practically Xeroxed copies."

"That's correct, Representative."

"The Gentleman from Vermilion, Representative Black, for what reason do you rise?"

"You're all right."

"He indicates he will."

"We do not, Representative."

"It… they're… they're level, but we've also included money for the… for the veterans' grants, Representative. And I think that was…"

"…that was an issue that many of us on both sides were interested in."

"Well, Representative, you know, they… they were signed last year, I don’t know what the…"

"…what the status is for this year." 09500064.doc 204  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007

"Representative, we didn’t line them out, but…"

"Exactly, Representative."

"…your remarks to a close."

"The Gentleman from McDonough, Representative Myers, for what reason do you rise?"

"He indicates he will."

"That's correct, Representative."

"No, Representative, and… and there's no… there's no guarantee that… that part of the budget will be spent. It's just that we… in an effort to construct a budget in the time frames that we had…"

"…and with the staff that we have, we built off of the 07 budget."

"They… they probably were, Representative." 09500064.doc 207  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007

"That's correct. Well, Representative, again, it's because of the nature of how we put the budget together, how we actually went about the process of… of putting the… the budget numbers on a piece of paper. So, we started out with the '07' budget, then we added on some of the items that we felt were important. We didn’t have the time and the staff to go through every line and scratch out every item that we would probably have agreed with you on needs to be removed because the items have been spent. But those things do remain and probably and… and like I would say to you there's… there's no agreement with the Governor that he's going to spend that money again."

"Right."

"Well, Representative, he does have the ability to transfer money. So, if this budget were enacted into law and the Governor would say, look, these projects are done, he could transfer that money into another line item within that budget. So it does give him some opportunity to… to address some of the deficiencies that may otherwise be in the budget on the spending side, as well. So, it… it's… they're in the budget, they are what they are, but I think that the Governor would have an opportunity to use the money in a way that's probably needed."

"The Gentleman from Crawford, Representative Eddy, for what reason do you rise?"

"He indicates he will." 09500064.doc 209  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007

"Well, Representative, probably if you talk to Members on my side of the aisle they would say none."

"I… I don’t know the answer, Representative."

"There were… I'll… I'll be the fir… Yes. So, Representative, I'll tell you that I was able to insert money into the budget last year for an after school program in my district. It's been a very successful program. I'd be happy to take you down there and show it to you."

"Really."

"Well, Representative, last year I… we were able to sign an MOU with the agency. We had a guarantee going in. The money's in the budget, but I'll be the first to tell you, as well, that I have no guarantee from the Executive Branch that… that this will be funded."

"If… if it was in '07 it's in this one as well, Representative."

"Well, Representative, we do… there's no capital in this other than the pay-as-you-go capital. But I think there is a plan and some discussions that are going on, on a bipartisan basis in this… in this chamber and I think in this building to try to find a way to do a capital budget which would include on… on the first page, money to take care of those schools that are waiting for their checks."

"And… and to actually go beyond that and re-institute a school construction program along with some other things."

"This… this is an operational budget and there's no… there's no capital other than the pay-as-you-go capital."

"There's no change in language or… in amounts."

"No, we actually… and Representative, if we had a lot more money those would be the kind of things that we could do if we had more money come in during the fiscal year. We can still do supplementals, but I think we felt that the item that probably… the items that are probably of most interest to the Members in this chamber were the categoricals and trying to keep them at the same levels as last year, the General State Aid, to try to push it as far as we could. And in the transitional assistance to make sure that every school district res… received the same amount of money, at the very minimum, the same amount money as last year."

"Well, Representative, an adjustment could happen if we passed a supplemental appropriation and that would be 09500064.doc 212  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007 something that if we had money and we had the will to spend it in that direction and that was our priority, we certainly could do that. But at… in this proposal, it's a flat… it's a flat item."

"Re… restate the question."

"Bring your remarks to a close."

"That's correct."

Speaker Turner: "The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Miller, for what reason do you rise?"

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"He indicates he will."

"The rate of… there's been a lot of discussion in regards to the increase in higher ed. Can you just sort of expound on that just a minute? Expound on what…"

"Yes. So, Representative, there would be like a 2 percent increase to all the state universities across the State of Illinois."

"And so and how much would the community colleges get? Or how much…"

"Seven point two million dollars ($7,200,000) primarily to offset the costs of the Illinois Veterans' Grants."

"Okay. Which affect any university and as far as the equalization grant, what I heard earlier was the fact that… 09500064.doc 213  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007 that it just depends on the formula that it currently exists and essentially the Veterans' Grant is a more fairer way to distribute the funds to universities to community colleges. Correct?"

"Yeah, I think, Representative, there seem to be a bipartisan desire to try to reimburse the community colleges for the costs that they were incurring for… for these… for taking care of these veterans as they were mandated to do, so we…"

"Yeah. One thing in Higher Ed Approp Committee, I think we had universal support in regards to trying to support, you know, the Veterans' Grants, how this is still just a small token of what's really needed. But it really helps and I think goes a long way. To the Bill, Mr. Speaker. There's been a lot of talk about Chicago State and I just want to sort of put this in perspective for everybody. Under this budget plan, Chicago State gets eight hundred and twenty-three thousand (823,000), compared to University of Illinois gets fourteen million, two hundred and twelve (14,212,000), Illinois State University gets one million six hundred (1,600,000). NIU gets two million, seventy-eight (2,078,000). SIU gets four million, four hundred and sixty-three thousand (4,463,000). In fact, Chicago State is one of the lowest amount of… of receiving funds under this proposal, but it's equally distributed under 2 percent. I find it hard to support this budget, but yet I do. Because I believe with other folks on the other side of the aisle that the Veteran's Grant needed to be funded at twenty million dollars 09500064.doc 214  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007 ($20,000,000). I also believe that we need to fully fund EFAB's recommendation and this Bill doesn’t live up to it. It only increases the state aid up to three hundred and eight… seventy… eighty-seven dollars (387) for a total of five thousand, seven hundred and twenty-two dollars (5,722) at the foundation level. But you know what? I put a Bill in this chamber and tried to get support to try to get to that level, but it didn’t pass and it didn’t get moved only to a limited extent, because we couldn’t find the support. You know, the one thing we can sit and talk about what's not in this legislation and what's not in the budget, but the one thing that we try to do is we have to find the money. And we have all know about the Civic Federation Report that our state is in a structural deficit. But until we start taking the hard vote and start showing leadership in our own communities and start leadership down here of what are we willing to support to get the res… additional revenue. That is what is on the table, people and that's on both sides of this aisle. So I have to support this Bill because this is how we make lemonade out of lemons. I don’t want this. I wish there was a two billion dollar ($2,000,000,000) budget in front of us so we can fully fund our education system, so our kids don’t have to depend on the zip code that they live on, as opposed to what's in their hearts. But this is what we're forced with. I wish we had money for our Veterans' Grants that come home from the war, but this is what we have to vote on. I wish we had the guts here to support the income increase no matter what. I wish we had the support for 09500064.doc 215  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007 revenue. But we don’t. This is what we're faced with. So, until we start to have the fortitude to do the right thing and really look at our budget in a sense that makes sense to meet the state demands, to ask for the increases that Members on the other side of the aisle have asked for, for their AFSCME workers, who have asked for the Department of Corrections. You won't get an argument on this side, you won't get an argument from me. But until we do that, we're going to be faced with this… these patch holes. You know, so at the end of the day we have to ask ourselves, is this the best we can do? This is what we have to face today, right now. And do I like it? No. But I am going to support this Bill. My Senator and myself have tried to improve the education system here in the State of Illinois. We're trying to improve higher ed working with both sides of the aisle. But where is it, people. At the end of the day we need votes. Representative Ryg, Members of…"

"Bring your remarks to a close."

"We tried to act to try to get accountability votes. The Mayor's Caucus, the Burnham recommendation, everybody is trying to get votes, but it hasn’t materialized, so what are we going to do? We're going to vote on this patchwork and try to move from here. This is a foundation of what we need to build on. And at the end of the day, I don’t like it but we need to do it. We need to keep our government moving and hopefully, as we move forward on both sides of the aisle, that we work together to try to make this state better. Thank you." 09500064.doc 216  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007

Speaker Turner: "The Gentleman from Lake, Representative Beaubien, for what reason do you rise?"

"He indicates he will."

"To the Bill."

"Representative Hannig to close."

"Well, thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. Earlier in the calendar year, the Governor came to us and he gave us his spending plan for FY08. And I think all of us, whether you liked it or not, would agree that it was a very bold plan that tried to address some of the inequities 09500064.doc 217  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007 we have in education funding and went on to try to provide a universal health care proposal, things that most people I think in this chamber would say were good. But it was predicated on a Gross Receipts Tax. It was predicated on administrative chargebacks and it was predicated on sweeps. And we said 'no'. We said, 'no, we're not going to be a part of a budget that has a Gross Receipts Tax, administrative chargebacks, and sweeps.' And so we put together, with this document, something that allows us to live within our means, but yet address the top priorities that I think all of us agree need to be dealt with here in the State of Illinois, education and health care. So while I've heard some Members of the other side of the aisle say that, well, you know, we're not spending enough on this and we're not spending enough on that and you're way over budget over here. Then I see other people say, well, you don’t really have this money, you're spending more than you have. And so I think what we’ve really done is struck really the best balance we could with the revenues that we have. This is a budget, a solid budget, that allows us to move forward. And so I'd ask for your 'yes' vote."

"I’d like to remind the Body, there’s been a request for a verification. So, we’d like to remind the Body that every Member should punch his own button. On this question, the question is, ‘Shall the House pass Senate Bill 1132?’ All in favor should vote ‘aye’; all opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Representative Lang. The Clerk shall take the record. On this question, there are 63 voting ‘aye’, 53 09500064.doc 218  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007 voting ‘no’. And Representative Mulligan would like to ask the staff and Members to be in their seats. And the staff should retire to the rear of the gallery. Representative Mulligan, on a verification. I should say, Mr. Clerk, read the affirmative."

"Remind the staff again to retire to the rear of the gallery. Representative Mulligan."

"The Lady withdraws the verification. On this question, there are 63 voting ‘aye’, 53 voting ‘no’, 0 ‘presents’. And this Bill, having received the 09500064.doc 219  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007 Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Speaker Madigan."

"Ladies and Gentlemen, I’d like to outline for you the plan for the remainder of the evening. And so the Speaker will read some Bills on Second Reading, then we will call the Supplemental Appropriation Bill and then we will call what’s referred to as the 7 percent Bill. So we need all Democrats to stay here. All Democrats to stay here. Thank you."

"Mr. Clerk, Rules Report."

Speaker Turner: "Mr. Clerk, Supplemental Calendar 1. Mr. Clerk, will you read Supplemental Calendar 1. On the Order of Senate Bills-Second Reading, we have Senate Bill 4. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

Speaker Turner: "Third Reading. Senate Bill 13, under Supplemental Calendar #1. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"We have Senate Bill 66. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 153. Third Reading. Senate Bill 153. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Third Reading. Senate Bill 194. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Third Reading. Senate… I’m sorry. So, Senate Bill 194, we will recognize Representative Hannig on Amendment #3. Representative Hannig."

"Yes. Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. On the Amendment, this is the a budget implicate… budget… we need to implement this for the a budget and this is… for the part of the… special part of the Bill. I’ll explain it on Third Reading. I’d ask that we adopt the Amendment."

Speaker Turner: "The Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment #3 to Senate Bill 194. All those in favor say ‘aye’; all those opposed say ‘no’. In the opinion of the Chair, the ‘ayes’ have it. And Amendment #3 is adopted. Further Amendments, Mr. Clerk?"

"Third Reading. On the Order of Supplemental Calendar, we have Senate Bill 380. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Third Reading. We have Senate Bill 489. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Third Reading. We have Senate Bill 531. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, we have Senate Bill 544. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Third Reading. We have Senate Bill 546. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Third Reading. We have Senate Bill 574. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Third Reading. We have Senate Bill 647. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk." 09500064.doc 223  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007

"Third Reading. We have Senate Bill 662. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Third Reading. We have Senate Bill 1299. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"The Gentleman from St. Clair, Representative Holbrook, on Amendment #2. Representative Holbrook moves for the adoption of Amendment #2 to Senate Bill 1299. All those in favor should say ‘aye’; all those opposed say ‘no’. In the opinion of the Chair is the ‘ayes’ have it. And the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments, Mr. Clerk?"

"Third Reading. We have Senate Bill 1305. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"The Bill will remain on Second. Senate Bill 1317. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Third Reading. We have Senate Bill 1327. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Third Reading. We have Senate Bill 1481. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Third Reading. We have Senate Bill 1311. Read the Bill, Mr… 1511. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Third Reading. We have Senate Bill 1617. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk." 09500064.doc 225  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007

"Third Reading. We have Senate Bill 1704. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Third Reading. On page 7 of the Calendar, we have Senate… Clerk, Rules Report."

"Mr. Clerk, read Senate Bill 241."

"Move the Bill back to Second at the request of the Sponsor."

"The Gentleman from Montgomery, Representative Hannig on Amendment #2." 09500064.doc 226  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007

"Yes. Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. This Amendment provides for additional moneys to CMS for the Workers Compensation Revolving Fund of eleven million, three hundred and ninety-eight thousand, one hundred dollars ($11,398,100) and a hundred and fifty million dollars ($150,000,000) in GRF for school construction grants. So, I’d move for the adoption of the Amendment."

"Representative Hannig moves… The Gentleman from Kendall, Representative Cross, for what reason do you rise?"

"The Gentleman…"

"So, Representative, that’s a very good question, that the State Board of Education, they have a system where they… they rank the schools. Okay?"

"These are schools that have already been selected and for lack of only an appropriation they would have their money already. So these are the first schools that are in line for this appropriation and so under the… under the formula that’s in place today…"

"Well, Representative, they're the next ones on the list, so if you… they can't skip to the bottom of the list. 09500064.doc 228  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007 The state board is compelled by this… the statute to follow the rankings."

"I’m… I’m sorry. I guess I didn’t… could you repeat your question?"

"Well, Representative, I… I can’t speak for the Governor or the Senate, unfortunately. All I can tell you is that those things that are within our control, which is this budget at this time and this Amendment, gives us the opportunity to put this money into the budget so that those schools can get paid. Now, could it get derailed in the Senate? Could the Governor veto it? I… I have no… no way of knowing that answer, Representative. I’m trying to be honest with you."

"What… what we can do is put the money in."

"I understand, Representative, not just your concern, but I think anyone who has a school on this list."

"Well, no, I don’t think they can do that, Representative. The way… the way the formula works they have to follow those schools that are… that are given the highest rank. And so these schools are… are the highest ranked schools because they’ve already been entitled to this money for a number of years. So, unless we would put some school district ahead of them by… by statute, which we’re not doing in this Bill, unless we jump some other school district ahead, these are going to be the first ones."

"Yes, so if we would…"

"…if we would… we could, we're not but we could, put a line in the budget that says to yeah some school district in Carlinville can get a hundred and fifty million dollars ($150,000,000). They would then get ahead of these guys, in effect, but we’re not doing this…" 09500064.doc 230  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007

"So what we’re doing… what we are doing is giving these schools a chance by putting them into this supplemental appropriation and sending it back to the Senate. If we don’t put it in, they have no chance."

"It certainly would be… It's certainly our legislative intent, Representative and if… and if you… you wish to read them in or have me read them in or the Clerk read them in, that would be fine."

"Yes, we do, Representative."

"Okay. So, Representative, I don’t have the dollar amounts associated with each school. But I do have the schools in… in their ranking."

"And… and certainly, it’s our legislative intent that the hundred and fifty million dollars ($150,000,000) be used by law and according to the law to fund these school districts. I don’t… I don’t believe the state board has any other options, assuming that they would have the money."

"Certainly."

"And… and Representative, I’ve been advised by some of my colleagues from the City of Chicago that under the school construction program, the 20 percent of the funding would always go to the City, then the rest would go…"

"…according to a ranking."

"And we just want to make sure that for the record, since we’re spelling all of this out, we… we do intend that they get their fair share as well."

"Mr. Clerk, would you mind reading those names into the record."

"Representative Cross."

"The Gentleman from Vermilion, Representative Black, for what reason do you rise?"

"Indicates he will."

"But if we can… yes."

"The Lady from Kankakee, Representative Dugan, for what reason do you rise?"

"Yes. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"He indicates he will."

"Representative, the twenty-three (23) schools or twenty-four (24) schools, they're the ones in the Capital Development Board that have been they have been entitled. Correct? They’ve reached the level of entitlement. Correct?"

"That’s correct, Representative."

"Correct? And so as school construction funding money comes in, I agree with… with my colleagues on the other side, this is something that’s very important to many of us in our school districts that have been waiting since 2002. So since they are entitled, I, too, also want to make sure that we believe that means that the entitled projects are going to get their money and I just want to say too as… as 09500064.doc 235  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007 my other colleagues that have schools on this list that have been waiting, I think we have to make sure that the Governor does understand and again if we pass it in the Senate, but then the Governor does understand that it is definitely our intent in the House of Representatives to make sure that the twenty-three (23) schools that have been waiting since 2002 are entitled to this money and we expect it to be paid. So I just wanted to say thank you for making sure that we did have this in there and… and we will send a strong message to the Governor to make sure he does understand where that money is supposed to go. Thank you."

"Representative Hannig to close."

"I would just ask for the adoption of the Amendment."

"Representative Hannig moves for the adoption of Amendment #2 to House Bill… Senate Bill 241. All those in favor should say ‘aye’; all those opposed say ‘no’. In the opinion of the Chair, the ‘ayes’ have it. And the Amendment's adopted. Further Amendments?"

"Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read Senate Bill 241."

"The Gentleman from Montgomery, Representative Hannig."

"Yes. Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. In addition to what we just added in that last Amendment for school construction, this also has the appropriation for the line of duty awards and it has some other items 09500064.doc 236  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007 that I… that I… the hospital assessment, those are the two (2) big pieces that are in there along with any number of smaller items that I’d be happy to answer any questions on. So this is the supplemental and I’d ask for your ‘yes’ vote."

"Seeing no questions, the question is, ‘Shall the House pass Senate Bill 241?’ All those in favor should vote ‘aye’; all those opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question, there are 62 voting ‘aye’, 54 voting ‘no’, 0 ‘presents’. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative McCarthy, would you come to the podium. Mr. Clerk, on page 16 of the Calendar, we have Senate Bill 435. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Gentleman from Cook, Representative McCarthy on Amendment #3."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Senate Bill 435 creates the Illinois Commercial Safety Towing Law by adding Chapter 18(d) to the Illinois Vehicle Code. This basically is a disclosure Bill to address the problem in some of the counties up in the northeast part of the state where some towers were taking advantage of a lot of the local residents because of the 09500064.doc 237  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007 fact that the Bill as it came out of the Senate would have been bothered by a federal preemption about setting rates for towers. We've made this into a complete disclosure Bill. With the help of some of the Members on the Judiciary Committee, we were able to amend the Bill so that today we passed it out of the committee unanimously. So, I think it's a nice move for the citizens of our state that they can get some protection when they are in a position where they need to have their car towed and they won't be abused by some of these towers who don't do it the right way. The vast majority do do it the right way, but there are a few bad apples out there and this will be a way of controlling them. So I'd appreciate you adopting Amendment #3 and we also have an Amendment #4, which is a very clerical Amendment that was also approved for consideration."

"Seeing no questions, the question is, 'Shall the House adopt Amendment #3 to Senate Bill 435?' All those in favor should say 'aye'; all those opposed say 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair is the 'ayes', have it. And the Amendment's adopted. Further Amendments?"

Speaker Turner: "The Gentleman from Cook, Representative McCarthy on Amendment #4."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There was a mistake on page 18 of the Bill, and it basically takes three (3) words out and replaces them with 'commercial vehicle safety 09500064.doc 238  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007 relocator'. So a very technical Amendment and I'd appreciate the adoption."

"Seeing no questions, the question is, 'Shall the House adopt Amendment #4 to Senate Bill 435?’ All those in favor say 'aye'; all those opposed say 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. And the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read Senate Bill 435."

Speaker Turner: "The Gentleman from Cook, Representative McCarthy on Senate Bill 435."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I did give a short description under Amendment #3 and I'd be willing to answer any questions. I do want to say that because this is added in the Vehicle Code under Chapter 18, that, as of today, it would only affect Cook, Will, DuPage, Winnebago and I don't have the fifth county, but it only affects those counties that are under Chapter 18 of the Vehicle Code. And I'd appreciate the passage."

"The Gentleman from Vermilion, Representative Black, for what reason do you rise?"

"Indicates he will."

"Under the… the safety relocators will not be under a fee structure imposed by the Commerce Commission. When this Bill came out of the Senate unanimously it was pretty much agreed upon, after that, that the… the way the Senate passed it would go against a federal preemption. The Attorney General's Office has given us some findings that they say could in the future lead us to allow the Commerce Commission to set these rates. But I wanted to get these protections in there for our consumers and I said we'll go forward with it as a disclosure Bill this year. We may come back at sometime in the later to try and give the Commerce Commission the ability to set those rates."

"Right. Originally, the Commerce Commission… We we're going to make it a license instead of just a registration certificate. If it was a license, because of the more extensive cost and background checks and stuff like that, they said they would have needed that seven fifty ($7.50). Where we made it just a registration certificate, we took out that extra seven fifty ($7.50)."

"Well, the limitations are basically in the disclosure. If a person would still be foolish enough to accept rates that were outlandish, you know, we can't legislate, intelligence, unfortunately."

"It really isn't. These are for tows off of public thoroughfares. So, those were private lots and those are actually the ones regulated up in the five (5) counties."

"Thank you, Representative."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Joyce, for what reason do you rise? Representative McCarthy to close."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I appreciate the questions and I'd appreciate your support. I think this is a good step forward. I do want to thank a lot of the Members on the committee who helped me, also the lovely young lady from the State Farm Insurance Company who was very, very supportive in this Bill and has been very instrumental in many of the agreements that we've gotten and helped me on the other side of the aisle with many votes in committee. 09500064.doc 241  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007 So, I always appreciate her help so… But I'd appreciate a favorable vote on Senate Bill 435."

"So, the question is, 'Shall the House pass Senate Bill 435?' All those in favor should vote 'aye'; all those opposed vote 'no'. The voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question, there are 115 voting 'aye', 1 voting 'no', 0 'presents'. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Lyons in the Chair."

Speaker Lyons: "Mr. Clerk, on page 7 of the Calendar, Representative Hannig has Senate Bill 182. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"At the request of the Sponsor, move that Bill to Second Reading."

Speaker Lyons: "The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Montgomery, Representative Gary Hannig."

"Yes. Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. This is the budget implementation Bill for finance. I'd ask that we adopt the Amendment and I'll be happy to talk more about it on Third Reading so…"

Speaker Lyons: "Representative Hannig has moved for the adoption of the Amendment. Is there any questions? Seeing 09500064.doc 242  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007 none, the question is, 'Should the Amendment be adopted?' All those in favor signify by saying 'aye'; those opposed say 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. And the Amendment is adopted. Anything further, Mr. Clerk?"

"Third Reading. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Representative Hannig."

"Yes. Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. As part of a spending… or an overall budget Bill… as part of an overall budget plan, it's… it's important that we pass, not only the spending Bill, the appropriation Bill, but the budget implementation Bills as well. This is the Bill that we need to pass that works in conjunction with our spending Bill in the area of finance. And particularly, this Bill deals, for example, with the changes in the 718 Fund, it deals with the 'I-Fly-Fund'. There's some changes for OSLAD that need to be made so that the budget will work, some GRF transfers in the Workers' Compensation Revolving Fund and the Illinois State Police road cap. Traditionally we have to work to suspend that and some transfers for the Illinois Civic Center Funds. These are all things that we do each year in some fashion in order to ensure that the budget will work. So rather than name all the items on… in the 'bimp', I will be happy to answer any questions." 09500064.doc 243  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007

"Is there any discussion on Senate Bill 182? The Chair recognizes the Lady from Cook, Representative Rosemary Mulligan."

"That's a wonderful idea, Representative. Thank you very much. Anyone else seeking recognition? Seeing none, Representative Hannig to close."

"Well, thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. I'd just ask for your 'yes' vote."

"The question is, 'Should Senate Bill 182 pass?' All those in favor signify by voting 'yes'; those opposed vote 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Bill, there are 64 Members voting 'yes', 52 voting 'no'. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Mr. Clerk, on page 13 of the Calendar is Senate Bill 1580. What's the status of the Bill, Mr. Clerk? 1580, 1580."

"Bring that Bill back to the Order of Second Reading for purpose of the Amendment."

Speaker Lyons: "The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Montgomery, Representative Gary Hannig."

"Yes. Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. Again, this is the budget implementation for Human Services. The Amendment includes two (2) items; one is the emergency rulemaking procedure that we typically and traditionally include in a 'bimp' Bill and the other one is the rate freeze for nursing homes, which again we include in the 'bimp' Bill and that's also because we're going to a new funding mechanism, and there was money in the budget that we passed to fund nursing homes' increases. So, I'd ask for the adoption of the Amendment."

Speaker Lyons: "The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Vermilion, Representative Bill Black."

"Indicates he will."

"If we could do it in a 'bimp' Bill we would, Representative."

Speaker Lyons: "The Chair recognizes the Lady from Cook, Representative Mulligan."

"He indicates he will."

"I'm advised, Representative, and the staff's double- checking, that the only two (2) items that we have are the… the routine language that we put in here for the emergency 09500064.doc 246  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007 rulemaking and then the existing freeze language that we have for the… the Medicaid nursing homes as they transition into the new… the payments."

"So actually, we're just on the Amendment now and that's what the Amendment does, Representative. Then the underlying Bill, I think, deals with… with hemophilia care and advisory review board."

"No, this is a budget Bill that would allow our budget that we just passed to work… as we always have to do, we pass a 'bimp' Bill… you know, we do pass a spending Bill and then we pass some of these substantive Bills that allow the budget to work. So, this is… these are… these are items that we typically do, Representative. They're not new and they're not… I don't think they're controversial."

"The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Jasper, Representative David Reis."

"Indicates he will."

Speaker Lyons: "The question is, 'Should Amendment #1 be adopted to Senate Bill 1580?' All those in favor signify by saying 'yes'; those opposed say 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. And the Amendment is adopted. Any further Amendments, Mr. Clerk?"

"Third Reading. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Representative Hannig."

"Yes. Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. The Bill as amended does what I just talked about, the rulemaking, the freeze, and then it also amends the Hemophilia Care Act and replaces the advisory committee with a new independent seven-member review board. So that's what the Bill does. I'd ask for your 'yes' vote."

Speaker Lyons: "The question is, 'Should Senate Bill 1580 pass?' All those in favor signify by voting 'yes'; those 09500064.doc 249  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007 opposed vote 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Bill, there are 64 Members voting 'yes', 52 voting 'no'. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Mr. Clerk, on page 9 of the Calendar, under Senate Bills-Third Reading, on the bottom of the page, Representative Bassi has Senate Bill 1201. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

Speaker Lyons: "The Chair recognizes the Lady from Cook, Representative Suzie Bassi."

"Clerk, move that Bill back to the Order of Second Reading at the request of the Sponsor."

"Excuse me, Representative, I didn't hear your request." 09500064.doc 250  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007

"Representative Bassi moves the adoption of the Amendment. All those in favor signify by saying 'yes'; those opposed vote 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. And the Amendment is adopted. Anything further, Mr. Clerk?"

"Third Reading. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

Speaker Lyons: "The Chair recognizes Representative Suzie Bassi."

Speaker Lyons: "The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Madison, Representative Jay Hoffman."

"Yes. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"Indicates she will."

"Representative, I believe that there was an Amendment that was filed that was on Second Reading that would allow for representation of five (5) members from the state that would be appointed by the Governor on the CMAP Board. Was that adopted to the Bill?"

"And would you be willing to take the Bill back to Second, have that adopted so we could pass… get at least some representation from the state?"

"Well, I would… I would suggest that you talk to the… the Leaders. I don't think Session's going to end 09500064.doc 252  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007 tomorrow, just a… just a word to the wise over here, but… a bird told me that."

"Well, let me just tell you… and I supported the formation of this board."

"But my concern is when it was formed there was no state representation on the board and I believe on August 5, that it was signed into law, there was an audit that was done of this board. March of '06, seventy… seven hundred and seventy-five thousand dollars ($775,000) was given, of state money, to this board. The audit found that two hundred and thirteen thousand (213,000) of that was misspent. It's my understanding that the EPA is given three hundred thirty-two thousand dollars ($332,000) of state money, DNR five hundred and sixty-five thousand dollars ($565,000) of more state money and now we're asking for five million dollars ($5,000,000) in more state money with no state oversight on the board. All I'm saying is if we're going to give our state money to your cause, which I think is a laudable one, a good one, I believe in the regional planning concept, I supported it. We have a… We have an obligation to our taxpayers to at least have some state people on the board to avoid these misspendatures. I don't believe we should pass this Bill without those people on the board of oversight. We don't want to take over the board, we just want a equal number of people on the board. I would just ask that you put the Amendment on. If you don't put the Amendment on I would ask, especially 09500064.doc 253  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007 downstaters… especially downstaters, rather than we spending our state money for your causes without any oversight or accountability, that we respectfully vote 'no'."

"Again, I'm not against the mission."

"This is their Amendment. I didn't cook up the Amendment, IDOT came up with the Amendment. IDOT is not okay with this, because they want to… they don't want money to be given to your organization that's used for cocktail parties, that's used to buy gourmet coffee, that's used for 09500064.doc 254  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007 restaurant visits for the people when this is supposed to be a cost-saving measure."

"All we want is accountability, all we want's a say on the board. I, respectfully, without that Amendment, I'm going to vote 'no'."

"Representative Bassi to close."

Speaker Lyons: "The question is, 'Should Senate Bill 1201 pass?' All those in favor signify by voting 'yes'; those opposed vote 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Representative May, Representative Molaro. Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Bill, there are 93 Members voting 'yes', 20 voting 'no', 3 voting 'present'. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Currie for a Motion."

"Thank you, Speaker. I move that the posting requirements be suspended so that the following measures could be heard in their appropriate substantive committees. Senate Bill 17 in Revenue, Senate Bill 485 in Insurance, Senate Bill 796 in Revenue, Senate Bill 833 in Local Government, Senate Bill 873 in Insurance, Senate Bill 929 in Human Services, Senate Bill 1011 in Executive, House 09500064.doc 255  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 64th Legislative Day 5/30/2007 Joint Resolution 70 in State Government, Senate Joint Resolution 47 in Transportation."

"Representative Black. You've heard the Lady's Motion. The Motion leaves waive of the posting for the following Bills. All those in favor signify by saying 'yes'; those opposed vote 'no'. The Motion passes. Ladies and Gentlemen, if I could have your attention for just a moment. We're going to accept the Motion by Representative Currie to adjourn for the… for the day, but we are going to go right back into Session for Thursday, so don't anybody go anywhere. Representative Currie moves that the House stand adjourned until Thursday, May 31, at the hour of 12:30 a.m. All those in favor signify by saying 'yes'; those opposed say 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. And the House stands adjourned." 09500064.doc 256