Illinois House Floor Debate — April 3, 2008

"The hour of 10:00 having arrived, The House will be in order. Members will be in their seats. Members and guests are asked to refrain from starting their laptops, turn off all cell phones and pagers, and rise for the invocation and for the Pledge of Allegiance. We shall be led in prayer today by Practitioner Donna Matheson Crawford, who is a practitioner at the First Church of Christ Scientist in McHenry. Practitioner Matheson is the guest of Representative Franks."

"Representative Nekritz, will you lead us in the Pledge."

Speaker Hannig: "Roll Call for Attendance. Representative Currie."

"Thank you, Speaker. Please let the record reflect that Representatives Hamos, Osterman, Washington, and Rich Bradley are excused today."

"And Representative Bost."

"Mr. Clerk, take the record. There are 108 Members answering the Roll Call. A quorum is present. Mr. Clerk, read the Committee Reports."

"Representative Stephens, for what reason do you rise?"

"State your point, Sir."

"No, Representative."

"It's allowed here in the House."

"On Supplemental Calendar #1, under the Order of Resolutions, is House Joint Resolution 120. Representative Fritchey."

"Thank you, Speaker. Members, we recently passed a Resolution authorizing the creation of bipartisan/bicameral committee to issue the language that will be presented to the voters of this state regarding the upcoming constitutional convention question on the ballot this fall. The original Resolution had provided that the language would be submitted by April 4, which is tomorrow. This Resolution simply extends that date to the end of April. This was discussed and we believe that it's a prudent way to proceed. I don't see any reasons for discussions, but obviously, I'd be happy to answer any if there are." 09500246.doc 3  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 246th Legislative Day 4/3/2008

"Is there any discussion? Then the question is, 'Shall the res… Excuse me, Representative Eddy, did you wish to speak?"

"It is solely a deadline change. The majority of the work that has to be performed is really prescribed by the constitution and by statute. This is simply a date for the question. You know, I would…"

"Well, the original deadline was April 4. This would now make it April 30. You know, I would just tell you just by way of history, twenty (20) years ago when this happened, you know, the language was ultimately submitted a couple weeks after the deadline specified in the Resolution in any event, but we decided it's prudent not to take any technical… any chance with a technical problem and so this was discussed. The Members on your side are Representatives Lindner and Durkin were at the meeting as well yesterday. It's really more administerial than anything else."

"Thank you."

"Representative Lindner." 09500246.doc 4  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 246th Legislative Day 4/3/2008

"We had discussed May 15 and I was apprised late in the day that there were concerns among Leadership that given the timing and the need to get this thing out of the RFP that we had discussed yesterday, let's shoot for the April 30 date. I think you'll agree that during our meeting yesterday, while we discussed May 15 as a safeguard, it seems in all practicality that we may actually have this done well in advance of a April 30 date."

"Yeah, we're scheduled to have our first follow-up meeting next Tuesday and then, hopefully, have something very close to final language a week after that. Again, there's bigger and better things…"

"No. No, you're absolutely correct and let me apologize for not getting back to you. This was… and I said this all came to me kind of out of left field itself. But again, you know, I think that we had a very good meeting yesterday and we're going to continue to work together and I don't want to see something like this create…"

"…any sense of conflict."

"Thank you." 09500246.doc 5  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 246th Legislative Day 4/3/2008

"Is there any further discussion? Then the question is, 'Shall the Resolution be adopted?' All those in favor vote 'aye'; opposed 'nay'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 108 voting 'yes' and 0 voting 'no'. And the Resolution is adopted. On page 34 of the Calendar, Representative McCarthy, you have Senate Joint Resolution 75. Representative McCarthy."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The… Senate Joint Resolution recognizes international education as an essential component of higher education. And I'd ask for a favorable Roll Call."

"Is there any discussion? Then all in favor of the recognition… All in favor of the Resolution say 'aye'; opposed 'nay'. The 'ayes' have it. And the Resolution is adopted. Okay, we're going to start on the Order of Third Readings. So, we're gong to start with Representative Beaubien, House Bill 2825. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Representative Beaubien."

"This is on the Order of Short Debate. Does anyone stand in response? Then the question is, 'Shall 09500246.doc 6  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 246th Legislative Day 4/3/2008 this Bill pass?' All in favor vote 'aye'; opposed 'nay'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Representative Brauer and Poe, Colvin, you wish to be recorded? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 108 voting 'yes' and 0 voting 'no'. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Beiser, you have House Bill 4692. Do you wish us to read that Bill? Out of the record. Representative Brosnahan on House Bill 5983. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Representative Brosnahan."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 5983 amends the Illinois Health Facilities Planning Act that governs the issuance of certificate of need for health facility capital expenditures. What this legislation does, it exempts from the law the construction of any new facility or any renovation of an existing facility located on any campus facility as defined by the Illinois Public Aid Code provided at the overall facility encompasses thirty (30) or more contiguous acres and that the new or renovated facility is intended for use by a licensed residential facility. This Bill primarily applies to Misericordia Heart of Mercy, which is located on the north side of the City of Chicago. The CON process was designed originally for expensive hospital projects, not the type of projects 09500246.doc 7  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 246th Legislative Day 4/3/2008 that Misericordia is working on. The certificate of need process has proved to be cumbersome, quite expensive, and undoubtedly has caused delays in the construction of these facilities. House Bill 5983, in a very limited manner, exempts Misericordia from the CON requirement when constructing or renovating buildings on its campus. It should be noted that Misericordia has over 400 residents on its waiting list so there is undoubtedly a need for these new facilities. The Misericordia residential projects are self funded. They shouldn't have tens of thousands of dollars added on to their costs for no public benefit. And these proposed residential facilities are completely contained within the campus of Misericordia so it's not going to have an effect of the outside neighborhoods. I'd be happy to answer any questions."

"This is on the Order of Short Debate. Is there any discussion? The Gentleman from McHenry, Representative Franks."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the sponsor yield?"

"He indicates he'll yield."

"Representative, has Misericordia… And I support your Bill. I think it's a good Bill, but my question is, has Misericordia had to file with the Illinois Health Facilities Planning Board a certificate of need? Are they planning an expansion right now?"

"They have applied in the past, a certificate of need process when they are building facilities for adults. So, if there's a facility that they want to build inside their campus and it's for children, they don't have to 09500246.doc 8  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 246th Legislative Day 4/3/2008 apply for a CON because it's licensed… it's licensed by DCFS or DHS. It's only if it's an adult facility, then they have to go through the CON process and that's why it kind of unfairly impacts Misericordia. If they were doing a CILA, Misericordia… in the neighborhood, not on its campus, they wouldn't have to go through a certificate of need process. So, that's why we're… we're trying to bring about some… some fairness so it doesn't adversely impact Misericordia."

"Thank you. To the Bill. I think it's a good Bill. I think the certificate of need process in this State ought to be scrapped. I think it's not up to date. The rules haven't been changed. It adversely affects providing health care to those who need it most and I know we past a Bill in the House here to extend the sunset on the certificate of need process. Hopefully, when we hear more stories like this with the certificate of need process is not representative and is not helpful, then when this comes up in the future, then we will change the system and I think this is… We need to exempt this fine organization from the problem they're having here and I hope everyone votes 'aye'."

"We'll move this to Standard Debate and we've now had two (2) speak in favor. Representative Dugan, you're recognized for 5 minutes."

"Thank you, Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"Indicates he'll yield."

"I certainly understand your concern and certainly support this organization. Unfortunately, I'm not going to 09500246.doc 9  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 246th Legislative Day 4/3/2008 be able to support this Bill and the reason why is because I am a member of the Health Care Task Force and we are right now, in the throes of testimony throughout… from people throughout this state determining what we need to do as far as the CON process. It is the… the task of that task force to come back with recommendations. It may be that the CON process should be eliminated, maybe it should stay with certain exemptions and those types of things. But that's what we have been working on and continue to work on. And so, I just hate to see us now start to take apart and exempt certain ones as we're trying to come up with the results. So, I certainly appreciate what you're trying to do and understand and certainly appreciate and support the organization, but because of the task force and what we're trying to do for every health facility in the State of Illinois, I'm going to have to vote 'no' on this, but thank you very much."

Speaker Hannig: "The Gentleman from Bureau, Representative Mautino. Representative Mautino is recognized for 5 minutes"

"Thank you. I just had a couple of questions. Representative, the… in looking through the analysis of the Bill, the Bill has a number of opponents. Now, I have not been contacted by them so I don't know the source of their opposition to it, but it lists the Council of Developmental Disabilities, the Independent Living Networks, Coalition for Citizens with Disabilities, Arc of Illinois. Can you tell me what the basis of their objections is or has that been rectified?" 09500246.doc 10  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 246th Legislative Day 4/3/2008

"Frank, when we had this Bill in committee, none of those groups testified against it. They have not contacted me to express what their specific concerns were. I mean, I think many of those groups have an overall, you know, problem with a facility like Misericordia because it is a campus facility and quite honestly…"

"And they're all home-based…"

"…some of those groups, they don't want… they don't like the campus facilities. So, to me, that's their opposition, but they have not expressed anything specific about this Bill that they have a problem with. They have not come to me or spoken to me about their specific problems."

"Thank you, Representative."

"Representative Bellock."

"Representative Brosnahan to close."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would certainly ask for an 'aye' vote on this Bill. I think it's an important piece of legislation. Moving forward, I know Misericordia's going to have many fine projects that are going to benefit not only to the immediate area of 09500246.doc 11  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 246th Legislative Day 4/3/2008 Misericordia, but the whole state. And I would certainly ask for your support. Thank you."

"The question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All in favor vote 'aye'; opposed 'nay'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish. Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 107 voting 'yes' and 1 voting 'no'. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Franks, for what reason do you rise?"

"A point of Personal Privilege."

"What's your point?"

"I'd like to introduce and welcome to Springfield, in the gallery, we have the very first eighth grade class from the new Creekside School in Woodstock, Illinois. Thanks for being here."

"Welcome to Springfield. Representative Burke, you have House Bill 4485. Do you wish us to read that Bill? Shall we read that Bill? Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

Speaker Hannig: "The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Burke."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I think this is a very important public policy to require that dental practice offices that administer a certain type of anesthesia would have an AED, an automatic external defibrillator, on premises in the event of some 09500246.doc 12  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 246th Legislative Day 4/3/2008 misfortune in the patient's experience. And I'd be happy to answer any questions."

"This is on the Order of Short Debate and in response, the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Miller."

"Thank you… Thank you, Mr. Speaker. To the Bill. I want to commend the Sponsor for working with the Illinois State Dental Society to provide a Bill that we can support. It is something that is needed in case of emergency and would ask for a favorable vote."

"The question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All in favor vote 'aye'; opposed 'nay'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted wish? Representative Joyce and Cole, do you wish to be recorded? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 108 voting 'yes' and 0 voting 'no'. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Monique Davis, you have House Bill 5729. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"The Lady from Cook, Representative Monique Davis." Davis, M.: "Thank you, Mr. Speaker. House Bill 5729 requires that every daycare center or part-time daycare center or group home for children have a minimum of daycare evaluation drills to prepare the students or children and the staff for fires, tornados, and these drills must be conducted in a manner prescribed by the department. This 09500246.doc 13  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 246th Legislative Day 4/3/2008 is a Bill that merely codifies what the department already does."

"This is on the order of Short Debate. Does anyone stand in response? Then the question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All in favor vote 'aye'; opposed 'nay'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Representative Rita and Cole, do you wish to be recorded? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 108 voting 'yes' and 0 voting 'no'. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby passed. Representative Ford, you have House Bill 4195. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Ford."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. House Bill 4195 provides that a specified notice shall be sent by mail to a mortgager prior to a judicial sale, to notify the homeowner of their right to remain in possession for 30 days after the order of possession. In light of all the foreclosures, I believe that this is a great Bill for the State of Illinois and I ask for a favorable vote."

"This is on the Order of Short Debate. Does anyone stand in response? Then the question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All in favor vote 'aye'; opposed 'nay'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Representative Rose and Reboletti? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 108 voting 'yes' and 0 voting 'no'. 09500246.doc 14  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 246th Legislative Day 4/3/2008 And this Bill having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Jefferson, you have House Bill 5285. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"The Gentleman from Winnebago, Representative Jefferson."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. House Bill 5285 simply amends the State Employees Group Insurance Act to say that Voluntary Health Services Plans Act to require the continuation for coverage for a dependent college student who takes a medical leave of absence or reduces his or her course load to part-time status because of an illness or injury. I would ask for a favorable vote."

"The Gentleman has moved for the passage of House Bill 5285. Is there any discussion? Then the question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All in favor vote 'aye'; opposed 'nay'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Representative Mitchell, do you wish to be recorded? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 105 voting 'yes' and 3 voting 'no'. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Joyce, you have House Bill 5579. Out of the record. Representative Meyer, you have House Bill 4402. Out of the record. Representative Osmond, House Bill 4207. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill." 09500246.doc 15  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 246th Legislative Day 4/3/2008

"Representative Osmond."

"Okay."

"So, Mr… Mr. Clerk, return this to the Order of Second Reading at the request of the Sponsor. And, Representative Patterson, you have House Bill 4506. Would you like to present your Bill? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

Speaker Hannig: "The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Patterson. Proceed, Representative."

"Thank you, Mr. Chairman and Honorable Men and Women of the House. The Bill… the intent of the Bill is to deter financial and physical crimes against seniors and disabled persons. Police reports today show that there's an alarming rise in crimes against seniors and disabled persons. We need some type of deterrent to stop these predators from stalking and robbing our seniors and disabled citizens of Illinois. Thank you."

"The Gentleman has moved for the passage of House Bill 4506. Is there any discussion? Then the question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All in favor vote 'aye'; opposed 'nay'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there 09500246.doc 16  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 246th Legislative Day 4/3/2008 are 108 voting 'yes' and 0 voting 'no'. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Reboletti, you have House Bill 5524. Do you wish us to read this Bill? Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

Speaker Hannig: "The Gentleman from DuPage, Representative Reboletti."

"Is there any discussion? The Lady from Cook, Representative Graham."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"He indicates he'll yield."

"Representative Reboletti, explain to me what this… what the intent of this legislation is again."

"So would you say that this piece of legislation… I understand that you say that you're going after the straw purchaser… the straw man with the guns. Is that correct?"

"Now, how are you presuming that the straw person is getting in possession of the firearms?" 09500246.doc 18  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 246th Legislative Day 4/3/2008

"But some of the statistics have shown that folks have not traveled to Mississippi to get the firearms. They have in fact purchased the firearms from licensed dealers here within the State of Illinois. A small percentage of dealers are knowingly selling to people who are able to buy the handguns at an exorbitant amount of guns and selling them out on the street. And we believe that licensed 09500246.doc 19  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 246th Legislative Day 4/3/2008 dealers, some of which a small percentage… 'cause I know that there are some dealers within our State that have integrity that are doing and making the appropriate sales to the appropriate people. But there is a small percentage of dealers who know what they're doing and who are… who is driven by the profit of selling to a straw purchaser to go out and liquidate those guns to the street. So I think that this is a… somewhat of a half measure… I agree with you that the straw purchaser should be dealt with, but I also agree… believe that the dealers who make those sales… knowingly make those sales, should be dealt with as well."

"Mr. Speaker, I can't hear."

"Well, I guess I'm looking at the very point, the scenario that you gave to me. You said that you were a legitimate firearm purchaser and you'd gone to make this purchase and… so, in a sense your comment kind of eliminates the dealer who's actually made the sale to you, you being the straw purchaser."

"Well, I'm glad you said that because I do have a piece of legislation, House Bill 796, that deals with dealers in this particular instance of trying to license our gun dealers in the State of Illinois to make sure that they're making the appropriate sales. I also think that within that piece of legislation, it deals with dealers…"

"Representative, your time has expired. Would you bring your remarks to a close?"

"Thank you. It deals with people selling to individuals who live areas that have… issues on the books that don't allow them to have them. So, your legislation doesn't address that?"

"Representative Monique Davis." Davis, M.: "Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"He indicates he'll yield." Davis, M.: "Representative, I was just curious as to why your Bill wants to enhance the penalties of the purchaser. But I see that you don’t have any penalties for the seller."

"Representative, your time has expired. Would you bring your remarks to a close?" Davis, M.: "I'll bring… I'll bring my remarks to the close. My close is, I think we're going after the wrong individual and I urge a 'no' vote on this Bill. Not only because it's… it's directed at the wrong people, but it's costly to the state. The taxpayer will end up spending a lot more money and not solving any crimes."

Speaker Hannig: "The Gentleman from Jasper, Representative Reis."

"He indicates he'll yield."

"Representative Froehlich." 09500246.doc 25  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 246th Legislative Day 4/3/2008

"Thank you. Would the Sponsor yield?"

"He indicates he'll yield."

"Yeah, Representative, I agree with you about straw purchasing being a problem. I'm just curious how exactly would this… this law be enforced? How would we catch those straw purchasers that we both agree are out there and doing dirty deeds? How do you catch them?"

"Right."

"Right. By the way, do you… do you have any estimate on what it would costs if these enhanced penalties go in to effect? What it would costs in DOC expenses?"

"Okay. One last thing, what do you think of a way to get at the straw purchaser problem, just like a way to get at the under-aged drinking problem, is doing sting operations. City of Chicago did some a few years ago to try and deter the retailers from knowingly selling to a straw purchaser when it's pretty obvious that that's the intent of that person who has the FOID card. Is that a kind of enforcement that you think could help deter this problem?"

"Good, well we agree. Thank you."

"So, we've had three (3) in response and two (2) in support. The rules provide for one additional speaker in favor. Representative Sullivan, would you like to speak in favor? You have 5 minutes."

"He indicates he'll yield."

"Representative Reboletti, you're recognized to close."

"The question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All in favor vote 'aye'; opposed 'nay'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 90 voting 'yes' and 1 voting 'no', 17 voting 'present'. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Stephens, you have House Bill 5904. Shall we read this Bill? Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

Speaker Hannig: "The Gentleman from Bond, Representative Stephens."

"This is on the Order of Short Debate. Does anyone stand in response? Then the question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All in favor vote 'aye'; opposed 'nay'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Representative Mautino, do you wish to be recorded? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 108 voting 'yes' and 0 09500246.doc 29  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 246th Legislative Day 4/3/2008 voting 'no'. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Yarbrough, you have House Bill 4826. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"The Lady from Cook, Representative Yarbrough."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. House Bill 4826 is an appropriation Bill. It appropriates two million ($2,000,000) dollars from the General Fund to fund a regional 911 center for the villages of Hillside, Maywood, Westchester, Berkley, Bellwood, and Broadview. Be happy to answer any questions."

"The Lady has moved for the passage of House Bill 4826. Is there any discussion? Then the question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All in favor vote 'aye'; opposed 'nay'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted wish? Representative Rita, do you wish to be recorded? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 94 voting 'yes' and 14 voting 'no'. And this Bill having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Wyvetter Younge, you have House Bill 5209. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Representative Younge."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. House Bill 5209 appropriates one million, one hundred and twenty-five thousand dollars 09500246.doc 30  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 246th Legislative Day 4/3/2008 ($1,125,000) from the General Revenue Fund to the Department of Commerce and Community… Economic Opportunity for the purpose of making a grant to promote housing development and construction in East St. Louis."

"The Lady has moved for the passage of House Bill 5209. Is there any discussion? Then the question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All in favor vote 'aye'; opposed 'nay'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Representative Gordon, do you wish to be recorded? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 79 voting 'yes' and 29 voting 'no'. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Molaro, you have House Bill 5088. Representative Molaro? Okay, out of the record. Representative Joyce, you're recognized on House Bill 5579. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Representative Joyce.

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 5579 would amend the Senior Citizens and Disabled Persons Property Tax Relief of Pharmaceutical Assistance Act. It basically expands the drug coverage of the existing pharmaceutical assistance program to include… on the list of covered prescription drugs, those used in the treatment of multiple sclerosis. Simply would ask for an 'aye' vote and be happy to answer any questions." 09500246.doc 31  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 246th Legislative Day 4/3/2008

"This is on the Order of Short Debate and in response, the Gentleman from Winnebago, Representative Winters."

"He indicates he'll yield."

"Well, historically, it's been unknown, obviously, as you know there's no cure, but it's been unknown what could be used to treat multiple sclerosis. What has happened is they've just made a lot more scientific discoveries and these drugs have been helpful for people that are inflicted with multiple sclerosis."

"There's an agreement… I'm sorry, what was the agreement?" 09500246.doc 32  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 246th Legislative Day 4/3/2008

"I was not."

"I was not, but I do have the fiscal costs of… the fiscal note on this Bill and…"

"You know what… yeah… yeah, we can pull it out of the record and get to the bottom of it, but yeah, that's fine. Take it out, Mr. Speaker."

"So we'll take it out of the record for the time being. Representative Molaro, you're recognized on House Bill 5088. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill." 09500246.doc 33  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 246th Legislative Day 4/3/2008

Speaker Hannig: "The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Molaro."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This is a Bill brought by the Treasurer's Office and it falls on the category that, I tell myself everyday, is that I don't know everything in this building even though I try to purport that I do. In pension funds, what happened was years ago, we created what they call the State's Pension Fund. And what we did is we would take the unclaimed property and it would go to the State Pension Fund and the State Pension Fund was then supposed to give it our systems. Well, what happened years ago as we started sweeping that money for the General Revenue Fund, and that was a mistake. I didn't know that was happening. I actually thought it went to the Pension Funds. So, what was happening is, when we have our actuarially defined contribution that we have to make every year, our continuing appropriation, I always assume that the thirty, forty, fifty million (30,000,000, 40,000,000, 50,000,000) and we think might be about two hundred million (200,000,000) in 2010 and then go back to about averaging seventy (70,000,000), eighty (80,000,000) million a year. We thought that seventy ($70,000,000) or eighty million dollars ($80,000,000) million dollars was going to the pension system. It wasn't. Now let me just say this, I got from Committee on Forecasting Governmental Accountability that says what a positive impact it would 09500246.doc 34  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 246th Legislative Day 4/3/2008 be. And for over the last 25 years, we would have been putting that seventy (70,000,000) or eighty million (80,000,000) in like I thought we were doing, our pension funds would not be in the shape that they are now. This just stops the sweep, puts 'em where they're supposed to go and I think it's a great idea and it's something that we put in the law years ago. So it stops what almost has become a sweep that we just take for granted and it'll go to the pension system and it'll help close that enormous gap and that enormous debt. I'll… I'll answer any questions if there are any."

"The Gentleman's moved for the passage of House Bill 5088. And on that question, the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Fritchey."

"Thank you, Speaker. To the Bill. Ladies and Gentlemen, all of us have probably spoken in our district and elsewhere about the importance of dealing with our pension crisis and the unfunded liabilities. This is a way to handle this situation with money that we already have in our possession that should have been handling this. The benefits of this Bill are really greater than a direct fiscal impact, because every dollar that gets freed up from our pension liabilities is a dollar that you could put into programs that we've been trying to work on, whether it's in health care, whether it's in education, whatever it may be. As the Representative said and he knows better than most anybody in here about how the pension system works. Here is a chance to do what we thought we had been doing in the meantime. Let's save that unclaimed property and let's 09500246.doc 35  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 246th Legislative Day 4/3/2008 make sure that when it does come back to this state, that we can use it to pay down our bills, pay down both of the balance of the bills, reducing our interest payments going forward. It's good policy. It's good economic policy. It's prudent policy and it's something that we've all talked about the importance of doing. And this is the chance to put those into action. I strongly urge an 'aye' vote. This is a Bill that is not maybe the sexiest Bill that you're going to see, but it's an extremely important Bill and one that's really going to let us put our money where our mouths are. Thank you."

"Okay, so, we've had two (2) speak in favor of the Bill. Representative Bellock, would you like to speak… actually, you can speak on either side. Representative Bellock. Is the Lady not seeking recognition? No? Okay. So then the question is, 'Shall this Bill pass? All in favor vote 'aye'; opposed 'nay'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 108 voting 'yes' and 0 voting 'no'. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Mr. Clerk, read the Committee Reports."

"I have a Motion in Writing by Representative Patterson to reconsider the vote by which House Bill 506 just passed. Is there leave to use the Attendance Roll Call on the Gentleman's Motion to reconsider? Leave is granted. The Motion to reconsider prevails. So, the Bill's now on Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, return House Bill 4506 to the Order of Second Reading for the purposes of an Amendment. And Mr. Clerk, would you read the Bill?"

"So, Representative Patterson now moves for the adoption of the Amendment. All in favor say 'aye'; opposed… The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Representative Patterson."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, the Amendment simply removes the word 'permanent' from the Bill as it relates to disability, because as long as the word 'permanent' was there, a temporarily disabled person would not be applicable to this Bill. I ask for your… for your 'aye' votes for this Amendment change. Thank you."

"Is there any discussion? Then the question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All in favor vote 'aye'; 09500246.doc 37  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 246th Legislative Day 4/3/2008 opposed 'nay'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Representative… Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 108 voting 'yes' and 0 voting 'no'. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. We're going to move to the Order of Second Reading for a time, but I suspect we'll go back to Third before the day's over. So… so, Mr. Clerk, would you read House Bill 5125."

"We've… we've read that Bill so hold it on Second Reading. Representative Crespo, you have House Bill 5731. Do you wish us to read that Bill? Out of the record. Representative Fortner, on House Bill 5263, shall we read that on Second? Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

Speaker Hannig: "Third Reading. Representative Flowers on House Bill 4223. Shall we read that Bill? Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"So, Representative Flowers, what do you wish on Amendment #2?"

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I wish to adopt Amendment #2."

"Could you briefly explain it?"

"Oh, I'm sorry. Amendment #2 would basically bring into compliance… would create an external review and it would allow the Department of Insurance… Okay, I'm sorry. It would… I want to withdraw Amendment #2, Mr. Speaker."

"The Lady withdraws Amendment #2. Mr. Clerk, are there further Amendments?"

"And Representative Flowers on Amendment #3."

"I want to withdraw Amendment #3."

Speaker Hannig: "The Lady wishes to withdraw. Is that correct?"

"Yes."

"Amendment #3 is withdrawn. Are there any further Amendments?"

"Did you wish to hold the Bill or did you want it to move to Third, Representative?"

"Third Reading, please."

Speaker Hannig: "Okay, so, Mr. Clerk, Third Reading. Representative Schock, you have House Bill 4545? You wish us to read this Bill on Second? Okay, let's take it out of 09500246.doc 39  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 246th Legislative Day 4/3/2008 the record with the… for the moment. Representative Berrios, you have House Bill 5687. Out of the record? Okay. Representative Brosnahan, you have House Bill 5059. Out of the record. Representative Collins, you have House Bill 1518. Out of the record. Representative Biggins, you have House Bill 4699. Shall we read that on Second? I think your staff's indicating 'no'. Out of the record. Representative Brauer, on House Bill 5536. Out of the record. Okay. Representative Monique Davis, you have House Bill 4668? You wish us to read that on Third? Out of the record. Representative Will Davis on House Bill 5116. Shall we read this on Second? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Representative Davis, you're recognized on the Amendment." Davis, W.: "Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Amendment #2 is simply, more or less, a technical Amendment which creates the fund by which these resources will be put in. I ask for the adoption."

"Is there any discussion? Then all in favor of the Amendment… Excuse me. Representative Eddy on the Amendment."

"The Sponsor will yield." 09500246.doc 40  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 246th Legislative Day 4/3/2008

"Any further discussion? Then all in favor of the Amendment say 'aye'; opposed 'nay'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Any further Amendments?"

"Third Reading. Representative Ford, you have House Bill 4613. Excuse me. Representative Bost, for what reason do you rise?"

"The Chair was incorrect. Yes, Representative Schock is excused. I was just working off of a list that had his name on it. So, I apologize, Representative. Okay. And back to Representative Ford. Mr. Clerk, read House Bill 4613."

"Third Reading. Representative Brauer, did you indicate you're ready to call 5536? Brauer. So, Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"So, on Amendment #1, Representative Brauer."

"Okay. Is that correct, Mr. Clerk, 2 is still in Rules?"

"Okay. So, we'll come back at a later time. Out of the record. Representative Fortner, you have House Bill 5186? Representative Fortner, do you wish us to read 5186? Out of the record. Representative Howard… Connie Howard, you have House Bill 5516? Out of the record. 09500246.doc 42  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 246th Legislative Day 4/3/2008 Representative Jakobsson, you have House Bill 4903? Do you wish us to read this on Second Reading? Do you… this is on Second Reading, Representative, do you wish us to read the Bill? Representative Jakobsson, do you wish us to read the Bill? Yes or no? Why don't we just take it out of the record. We'll come back to it. Representative Joyce, on House Bill 4651. Out of the record. Representative May, you have House Bill 4812. Shall we read this on Second? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Representative May."

"Yes, Amendment #2 which is pending… it was a drafting oversight, quite honestly. We need to mention because of it affects state-owned building in the Department of Central Man… Central Management Services. We just need to add that."

"Is there any discussion? Then all in favor of the Amendment say 'aye'; opposed 'nay'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Any further Amendments?"

"Third Reading. Representative McGuire, you have House Bill 4813. Do you wish us to read this Bill on Second? Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk." 09500246.doc 43  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 246th Legislative Day 4/3/2008

"Representative, did you wish us to move this to Third? Move it to Third. Okay, Mr. Clerk, Third Reading. Representative Osmond, you have House Bill 4162? Do you wish us to read this on Second? Okay, I'm advised you have an Amendment in Rules. Did you wish to move it without the Amendment?"

"Representative Osmond?"

"So, Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

Speaker Hannig: "Third Reading. Representative Phelps, on House Bill 5204. Out of the record. Representative Rose, on House Bill 5909? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"The Gentleman from Champaign, Representative Rose."

"Is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Fritchey."

"Thank you, Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"He indicates he'll yield."

"Representative, we can chat about this for a… for a second. You know, the concepts behind having a policy of preventing individuals from running back into burning buildings, et cetera, is that that person in so doing, not only put themselves at risk, but also puts firefighters at risk."

"Now, obviously, you know, God forbid that any of us are in a situation faced with a dilemma of breaking the law or trying what your natural instinct would be which is to save a relative in a crisis situation. But then the question becomes, I guess, you know, how do you differentiate from the, I guess, the general policy of not wanting to put yourself inadvertently, others inadvertently, or firefighters inadvertently at risk, even though you're doing what your heart is telling you to do…"

"…but maybe not what your head is telling you to do."

"Okay, now, the language as I'm looking at it, provides for the affirmative… I apologize. I'm trying to… trying to figure out how to juggle my microphone and my laptop here. It provides for an affirmative defense in the event that you're going back into the building to rescue a relative related to that person by blood or marriage. So, you're saying that you can go in to rescue your wife and it would be an affirmative defense."

"You could go in to rescue your…" 09500246.doc 46  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 246th Legislative Day 4/3/2008

"…child and it would be an affirmative defense, unless that child was an adopted child 'cause that child is not related to you by blood or marriage."

"And again, Chapin, you and I know each other well enough, I'm not trying to…"

"…Yeah, I…"

"I'll assume this is an oversight and not your intention."

"I… I do appreciate that. Thank you."

"Okay. So, we'll… we'll take this out of the record at the request of the Sponsor. Representative Ryg, you have House Bill 4264. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Third Reading. Representative Sacia, you have House Bill 4811 on Second. Shall we read the Bill? Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Representative Sacia, you're recognized on the Amendment."

Speaker Hannig: "All in favor of the Amendment say 'aye'; opposed 'nay'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Any further Amendments?"

"Third Reading. Representative Saviano, on House Bill 4762? Out of the record. Representative Scully, on House Bill 5286? Out of the record. Representative Stephens, you have House Bill 4625? Representative Stephens, should we read 4625? Out of the record. Representative Soto, on House Bill 5000? Shall we read the Bill? Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Thank you, Speaker and Members of the House. House Bill 3 is a gut and replace Amendment. House Bill #1 removes the ISBE's rulemaking authority to… in regards to the new Act and inserts the no rulemaking language. House Amendment #2 does the following as indicated in our laptop. And I'm open for any questions and I urge an 'aye' vote, please."

"Is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Crawford, Representative Eddy on the Amendment."

"Yes, it is."

"Yes."

"Yes."

"Thank you."

"Is there any further discussion? Then all in favor of the Amendment say 'aye'; opposed 'nay'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Any further Amendments?"

Speaker Hannig: "Third Reading. Representative Turner, on House Bill 4385? Out of the record. Representative Ron 09500246.doc 49  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 246th Legislative Day 4/3/2008 Wait on House Bill 5946. Shall we read this on Second? Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Third Reading. Representative Yarbrough on House Bill 5164. Shall we read it? Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Third Reading. Representative Younge, you have House Bill 4922? Wyvetter Younge, shall we read this on Second? Out of the record. We'll return to the Order of Third Readings. Representative Beiser, you have House Bill 4602? It's on Postponed Consideration. Would you like to present the Bill? Representative Beiser."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. A couple days ago we did postpone this. I've had a chance to meet with those that had concerns regarding this Bill and we believe we've answered those. Basically, to recap, 4602 as amended, takes the FDA recommendations of which they've done studies of the shingles vaccination for those sixty (60) and older and makes it part of the insurance coverage for those insurance programs that are governed by the State of Illinois regulations. So I'd be happy to answer any further questions and I would ask for a favorable vote." 09500246.doc 50  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 246th Legislative Day 4/3/2008

Speaker Hannig: "And on that question, the Gentleman from Crawford, Representative Eddy."

"He indicates he'll yield."

"It's… we're let… we're told that the… they have no opposition to this as presented… as amended here."

"I think that would be accurate."

"Thank you."

"Is there any further discussion? Then the question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All in favor vote 'aye'; opposed 'nay'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Representative Ramey, Meyer, Gordon, Golar, Dugan, Coladipietro… Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 107 voting 'yes' and 0 voting 'no'. And this Bill, having receiving a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Burke, you have House Bill 4732? Do you wish us to read that? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill." 09500246.doc 51  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 246th Legislative Day 4/3/2008

"Representative Burke."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen. This is a simple matter that the State Treasurer's Office brought to my attention and it provides that withdrawals or refunds made because of the beneficiaries' death, disabilities or receipt of a scholarship shall not be recaptured. Also provides that administrative agencies here, being the Department of Revenue, finding it necessary to adopt rules that implement this legislation shall present them to the General Assembly which in turn, shall take appropriate action. I'll be happy to answer any questions."

"This is on Short Debate. Does anyone stand in response? "Then the question is, ‘Shall this Bill pass?’ All in favor vote ‘aye’; opposed ‘nay’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Representative Tracy, Stephens, Somers, Patterson, Leitch, Krause, Bost, do you wish to be recorded? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 84 voting ‘yes’ and 20 voting ‘no’. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Cultra, you have House Bill 5243. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"The Gentleman from Iroquois, Representative Cultra." 09500246.doc 52  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 246th Legislative Day 4/3/2008

"This is on the Order of Short Debate. Does anyone stand in response? Then the question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All in favor vote 'aye'; opposed 'nay'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Representative Mitchell, Leitch, Kosel, Howard, Hoffman, do you wish to be recorded? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 107 voting 'yes' and 0 voting 'no'. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Eddy, you have House Bill 4225. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Representative Eddy."

"This is On the Order of Short Debate. Does anyone stand in response? Then the question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All in favor vote 'aye'; opposed 'nay'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Representative Mautino and May, do you wish to be recorded? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 107 voting 'yes' and 0 voting 'no'. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Franks, you have House Bill 5049. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

Speaker Hannig: "The Gentleman from McHenry, Representative Franks."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This Bill came to me from the City of Harvard Police Department and what it would do, it would require that when demanded by a prosecutor, the owner of a vehicle that was involved in an accident involving death, personal injury, or an unattended vehicle or property, must provide a written statement or deposition to say who was actually driving the vehicle at the time. It'll help law enforcement immensely. We have no opposition. It left unanimously from committee." 09500246.doc 54  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 246th Legislative Day 4/3/2008

"This is on Short Debate. Does anyone stand in response? Then the question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All in favor vote 'aye'; opposed 'nay'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Representative Rita, Colvin, Saviano, do you wish to be recorded. Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 107 voting 'yes' and 0 voting 'no'. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Fritchey, you have House Bill 5141. Out of the record. Representative Jefferson, you have House Bill 5288. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Representative Jefferson."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the committee. House Bill 5288 simply allows the City of Rockford, along with several other counties to… Cook County, DuPage, Kane, Lake, Madison, McHenry, St. Clair, and Will Counties are authorized to establish red light cameras. What this does, is allows us in Rockford, Illinois, to establish red light cameras to issue tickets if it, if fact, would catch violators going through the red lights. So, I would ask for an 'aye' vote."

"This is on the Order of Short Debate. And in response, Representative Winters."

"He indicates he'll yield." 09500246.doc 55  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 246th Legislative Day 4/3/2008

"Somewhat, but not entirely."

"So, we'll… we'll remove this from Short Debate to allow some additional speakers. Representative Leitch, you're recognized for 5 minutes."

"Representative Lang, for reason do you rise?"

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I rise to declare a potential conflict on this matter so I will be voting 'present'."

"Representative Dunkin, you're recognized for 5 minutes."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the Illinois House. I rise in support of this measure because it simply does what seven (7)… eight (8) counties that already that have joined it: Cook, DuPage County, Lake, Madison, McHenry, St. Clair, and Will Counties. They're already authorized in establishing this red light system. I represent the central part of Chicago, downtown, and a good portion of the south side and what's happened in our city, is there's been a tremendous decrease in individuals blowing past stop signs or red lights. It involves a T- crash, when a lot of… you have a lot young drivers or people feeling as if they're in a rush and they try to rush across that red light at the last minute and there's 09500246.doc 58  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 246th Legislative Day 4/3/2008 another car coming on and it creates a T-crash. That's pretty prominent in our city and over the last 3 years, the City of Chicago, the County of Cook, there's been a decrease in the number of incidences that have… has occurred. So this Bill simply allows or gives the county… six (6) additional counties the ability, local government control to put this within their city or their county or not. I think it's a good measure because it provides that local control. It's a proven safety technology that exists. It decreases the T-bone crashes and most suburb… suburban areas already… outside of the City of Chicago already have this as well. So again, it's a proven technology that works. It simply reduces accidents that can prove deadly or very catastrophic with serious industries… injuries and I believe that allowing six (6) counties… six (6) additional counties to have local control can also add value to the lives of individuals. I rise in support of this Bill."

Speaker Hannig: The Gentleman from DuPage, Representative Reboletti, you're recognized for 5 minutes."

"Indicates he'll yield."

"I don’t think it's recorded as a moving violation."

"That's currently the way the… it's administered now. In a lot of counties, there's administrative hearing as relates to red light… people running red lights caught on video camera. So, each city has their own methodology of handling this and this is something that the City of Rockford initiated. This is something they requested, so I think it's only fair for them to be able to request this as it relates to safety for the City of Rockford."

"So, we've had three (3) in opposition, two (2) in support, the rules would provide one (1) additional speaker in favor. Representative Rose or Cultra, would you like to speak in favor?"

"Well, we've had three (3) in response already, Representative."

"All right. So we'll grant you a question, Representative."

"There were surveys done. Anyone who requested red light ticketing wanted to be part of this Bill."

"Survey done by Municipal League."

"I appreciate that, Representative Rose. A lot of the things happen in my county, I'm not contacted about either."

"It's a violation of municipality's laws." 09500246.doc 61  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 246th Legislative Day 4/3/2008

"It's a violation… of the municipal ordinance."

"I don't think it's effecting the individuals differently. It's up to each municipality as to how they handle the situation."

"We do not believe it's a Vehicle Code violation." 09500246.doc 62  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 246th Legislative Day 4/3/2008

"No. It's not on your record."

"Why… why don't we do this, Representative Cultra seeking recognition and I'll recognize him and then we'll close. Okay? So, Representative Cultra, you have 5 minutes."

"Winnebago County."

"They requested to be included."

"I'm sorry?"

"Certain municipalities in those counties requested that they be part of the Bill."

"Without having those… that information in front of me, no, I can't be… other than through Municipal League."

"Well obviously, Representative, somewhere down the line, someone from your area requested this. But the situation is this, if they don't want to enforce this, they don't have to do this. This is just to include them in the process in case they decide they want to participate. It's up to your local authorities to decide whether or not they want to participate in the red light video cameras. If they choose not to do this at this time, they… They're the ones that authorize this in your individual area. So, if they choose not to participate at that time, they don't have to. But if they choose to participate later on, then this gives them the authority to do that." 09500246.doc 64  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 246th Legislative Day 4/3/2008

"Thank you."

"No other speakers seeking recognition? Representative Jefferson is recognized to close."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. You know, this is an initiative, as I said before, that was requested by the City of Rockford and all the people that are part of the legislation. At some time, maybe over the last year, two (2) years, had requested at one point to be part of this video camera legislation. Oftentimes, things go on in my community that I'm not aware of as I'm sure, all the Representatives here happening that is not always brought to their attention until after the fact. This is something the city requested. This is something that they brought to my attention to say that they want it along with the other counties that are included in the legislation. I think, if I can remember correctly, I think Representative Brady had requested that his county become part of this, along with other people: the City of Rockford Municipal League, 09500246.doc 65  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 246th Legislative Day 4/3/2008 Northwest Municipal Conference, Metro Counties, RedSpeed, Illinois LCC, City of Champaign, DuPage Mayors and Managers, Barrington Area Council of Governments, and on and on and on. So, this is something requested by them. The bottom line is, if it comes to your county, you choose not to use this, that's your right to do that. But if you also choose to authorize this and there's… something came up before about the yellow lights, I think the yellow lights, you should become more cognizant of the fact that a yellow lights mean that you need to stop. A lot of times people think the yellow lights mean you have to speed up and go through the intersection. That's not the case. You become more cognizant with a yellow light to know that the red light is coming next. And if in fact you're running red lights and you are jeopardizing other people's safeties, then you should be penalized, you should be ticketed. I've seen a lot of accidents where people, after the fact, are saying, I'm sorry because I ran that red light. Sorry doesn't always get it when someone is injured or on their way to the hospital. This is a precaution to say slow down. The yellow light is cautioning you to slow down because the red light is coming up next. If in fact you choose to speed up and go through that light, then you're taking a chance on getting the ticket. I think it's a safety issue. I think we should always be cognizant of the safety and I think this is a good Bill. The City of Rockford requested it through me, through legislation, and I would ask for an 'aye' vote. Thank you." 09500246.doc 66  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 246th Legislative Day 4/3/2008

"The question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?" All in favor vote 'aye'; opposed 'nay'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 65 voting 'yes'; and 39 voting 'no'. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Lang, you have House Bill 4527. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Representative Lang."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen, this is a Bill that advances the issue for libraries of funding. We have some very poor libraries in this state and some very school… very poor school libraries in this state. This initiative by Jesse White, the Secretary of State, seeks to increase state funding for the poorest libraries and the school libraries serving the smallest school districts. It's a Bill that's subject to appropriation and it's a Bill that received no negative votes in committee and believe it has no opposition."

"This is on Short Debate. Does anyone stand in response? Then the question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All in favor vote 'aye'; opposed 'nay'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Representative Krause, do you wish to be recorded? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 108 voting 'yes' and 0 voting 'no'. 09500246.doc 67  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 246th Legislative Day 4/3/2008 And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Lindner, you have House Bill 4291. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"The Lady from Kane, Representative Lindner"

"The Lady moves for the passage of House Bill 4291. Is there any discussion? Then the question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All in favor vote 'aye'; opposed 'nay'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 108 voting 'yes' and 0 voting 'no'. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Meyer, you have House Bill 5013. Out of the record. Representative Mulligan, you have House Bill 5599. Rosemary Mulligan, do you wish to call this Bill? Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Representative Mulligan."

"This is on the Order of Short Debate. Does anyone stand in response? Then the question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All in favor vote 'aye'; opposed 'nay'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Representative Wait, Jefferies, Colvin, do you wish to be recorded. Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 108 voting 'yes' and 0 voting 'no'. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Munson, you have House Bill 5586. Representative Munson. Out of the record. Representative Myers, you have House Bill 4890. Okay. Out of the record. Representative Poe, Raymond Poe, you have House Bill 5860. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"The Gentleman from Sangamon, Representative Poe."

"This is on the Order of Short Debate. Does anyone stand in response? Then the question is, 'Shall this Bill 09500246.doc 69  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 246th Legislative Day 4/3/2008 pass?' All in favor vote 'aye'; opposed 'nay'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 108 voting 'yes'; and 0 voting 'no'. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Saviano, you have House Bill 5503. Out of the record. Representative Tryon, you have House Bill 4367. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"No? Okay. Out of the record, Mr. Clerk. Is that correct, Representative Tryon? Out of the record? Okay. In fact, Represent… Mr. Clerk, the Gentleman requests that we move House Bill 4367 back to Second Reading. So, Second Reading. Representative Verschoore, on House Bill 5196. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Representative Verschoore."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen. What this Bill does is, now the county auditors are the only ones that do not receive a stipend. Every other elected county official gets a stipend and what this Bill does is gives a stipend of sixty-five hundred dollars ($6500) a year to the auditors. There's eighteen (18) of them that fall under this category. So, I'd be happy to answer any questions." 09500246.doc 70  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 246th Legislative Day 4/3/2008

"This is on the Order of Short Debate, but we're going to move it to Standard Debate. And Representative Winters, you're recognized for 5 minutes."

"He indicates he'll yield."

"I think it varies by county."

"I think it takes immediate effect."

"That's immediate. I think it's immediate."

"Yeah, I… I don't have the Bill with me. I didn't bring it over from my office and so I'm not quite sure and I know other… Mark, do you have the Bill down there?"

"Yeah, it does… it does become effective when it becomes law, Representative."

"Next… Right."

"They're up this year. They're up this year."

"Well, I don’t know. The way it's written now, it becomes effective immediately."

"No. No…"

"No."

"What the genesis… what the genesis of this was, is there's only… these are the only county officials that don't receive a stipend from the state right now. So it's just to get those eighteen (18)… it affects eighteen (18) people, what it affects."

"I can ask the Senate Sponsor to do that." 09500246.doc 73  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 246th Legislative Day 4/3/2008

"Thank you."

"Representative Bost."

"He indicates he'll yield."

"There were several fiscal notes on it and it doesn't have a… there's several fiscal notes but there was not a… a lot of… of harm to the budget. It was… I think it's a hundred and some thousand dollars is what it amounts to."

"Um hmm."

"Thank you."

Speaker Hannig: "Any further discussion? Representative Verschoore to close."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen. I'd ask for an 'aye' vote."

"The question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All in favor vote 'aye'; opposed 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Representative Durkin, Flider, Saviano, Sommer. Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. Representative, do you wish for Postponed Consideration? Okay. So, this will go on Postponed 09500246.doc 75  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 246th Legislative Day 4/3/2008 Consideration. Representative Durkin, you have House Bill 5513. We'll take that out of the record then. Representative Flowers, you have House Bill 4437. Do you wish us to read that on Third? Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Representative Flowers."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 4437 would merely require an EKG be given to athletic students and… before they join the particular program… athletic program at the school. And I'll be more than happy to answer any questions."

Speaker Hannig: "And on that question, the Gentleman from Crawford, Representative Eddy."

"Indicates she’ll yield."

"Yes, there has been. And in committee, we had discussed that we would…"

"Right. There is… the Bill as amended would make EKG test a requirement for the Department of Public Health, rather than each school board. In addition, it states that 09500246.doc 76  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 246th Legislative Day 4/3/2008 the EKG test will be a part of the health examination that students are required to undergo if they're going to participate in athletics. And also, this… the other Amendment would incorporate the no rulemaking Amendatory language. And this is the language that I got from Deanna Sullivan."

"Okay. You're asking would every student in the school or every student that would be participating in the athletic program?"

"Okay. That's not a… that stands. This is for the students who will be participating. For instance, if you had a daughter and she was going to run track and she may have had her phys… her regular school physical, let's say for the tenth grade…"

"Yes." 09500246.doc 77  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 246th Legislative Day 4/3/2008

"Amendment #3 provides that it will require that an EKG test be a part of the health examination that students athletic… athletes are required to undergo as part of a three-year pilot program."

"Yes."

"Yes."

"All."

"Not quite."

"In the school district that's in the City of Chicago, when I spoke to the doctor there, I think the average cost was like forty-six dollars ($46)."

"No, I do not have those numbers."

" Yeah, I would say." 09500246.doc 78  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 246th Legislative Day 4/3/2008

"Well, quite frankly, if… I would imagine that the parents' insurance would pay it… "

"…and/or the parents would pay it. And, you know, the reason why this is so important, is we often heard the stories of students dying on the field because they just didn't know that their child may have had a heart condition. And studies have proven by having an EKG, that could have eliminated a whole lot of problems and it's very cost effective. And this one particular…"

"Representative, your time has expired. Would you bring your remarks to a close?"

"Representative Winters."

"Indicates she’ll yield."

"Representative, the vast majority of the deaths are caused by that disease, but there's others, as well."

"Well, according to the information, there are roughly two dozen sports-related deaths of high school and college students from sudden cardiac arrest in the United States each year."

"According to the National Center for Catastrophic Sports Injury Research."

"This is heart related. Yes."

"Well, I'm glad… I'm so glad you brought that up, Representative. At first, I want to say to you that if there's ever anything that I could do to prevent the death of one child in… in… in this entire state, in this entire world, I promise you, I'll be the first one to do that. That's number one…"

"Number two…"

"…in regards to the cost…"

"In regards… In regards to the cost, Sir…"

"The cost…" 09500246.doc 81  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 246th Legislative Day 4/3/2008

"…the cost can be minimum because… Representative, I want to answer your question. You asked me would I yield."

"You asked… You asked, Sir, if I would yield."

"So, let's let Representative Winters use his time as he wishes, Representative Flowers. You'll be allowed to close. Representative Winters."

"Representative D'Amico. You have 5 minutes."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"Yes."

"Indicates she’ll yield."

"Representative, I just have a couple things to say. One, does this include parochial schools?"

"Sir, no, it's only applicable to the Chicago Public Schools, but I'll be more than happy to extend it."

"Okay. And this is only high schools, correct?"

"No, it's not. It's for beginning ages… well, it is recommended testing from the ages of twelve (12) to fourteen (14). So, it's middle school and high school."

"Okay. Well, to the Bill, Mr. Speaker. I rise in support of this legislation. I think that Representative is doing a great job with this Bill. We got to continue to do whatever we can to help preserve our kids on the athletic fields. So, I rise in support of your legislation."

"We've had two (2) in favor and two (2) in response. Representative Mitchell, you're next." Mitchell, J.: "Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"She indicates she'll yield." Mitchell, J.: "Representative, does your legislation cover organized intramurals?"

"Pardon me?" Mitchell, J.: "Does it include organized intramural activities?" 09500246.doc 83  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 246th Legislative Day 4/3/2008

"Is that going to be held in the school?" Mitchell, J.: "Yeah, it's not… there not particularly athletic contests, but intramurals within the school and usually in basketball, sometimes in other sports, as well."

"If it's going to be held in the school, yes." Mitchell, J.: "How does the Medical Society feel about your legislation?"

"You know, Representative, you've asked me that on numerous occasions and as you know, they never once became… came before the committee and it's my understanding that they are neutral." Mitchell, J.: "Well, I, in fact, have spoken to the lobbyist for the Med Society and they are opposed to this legislation. In fact, they've told me that the reason they didn't even come and testify is they didn't think it would get out of committee and they don't think it's necessary, whatsoever. In fact, they say that there's so many other things that cause deaths of athletes and students that the EKG won't cover that it's… it's not going to do a whole lot of good. Are any… are there any insurance companies that cover the cost of an EKG so that maybe some students might be able to get insurance coverage for this?"

"You know, Sir, I just want to bring to your attention, I'm glad you asked that question because this is not about the insurance coverage, because District 74, in the State of Illinois, which is the only District in this state that it's mandatory that you have this test. They're not worried about the insurance because the parents are willing to pay for it themselves and/or the doctor made it 09500246.doc 84  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 246th Legislative Day 4/3/2008 affordable by bringing the EKG machine to the school. And just like kids sell taffy apples and other types of fundraiser, I'm sure every parent will be more than happy to pay toward some type of fundraising mechanism to save their child's life." Mitchell, J.: "But you don't know that for a fact."

"Pardon me." Mitchell, J.: "You don't know that for a fact."

"You… you don't think that… you don't… well, let me just assume the average parent that I know would do everything they can to save their child's life." Mitchell, J.: "Are you indicating… did you indicate…"

"I'm going to say, 'yes'. I do know that for a fact." Mitchell, J.: "You indicated to me that School District 274 requires this already?"

"I'm going to say to you, Sir, School District 74…" Mitchell, J.: "Seventy-four (74), where's that located?"

"It's in the northern suburbs." Mitchell, J.: "But that was an individual school board that made that decision for their particular students."

"And I've commended them for doing that also because not only did that individual school board in the state, but if you want to go outside the country, the European society has done likewise because they think it's important that they protect their children as well." Mitchell, J.: "Well, Representative, I voted with you to allow this out of committee. I certainly never made any commitment on the floor. And I still think, after talking to the Med Society, that this is, again as Representative 09500246.doc 85  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 246th Legislative Day 4/3/2008 Winters said, a far reach and an expense that most families won't be able to afford. And quite frankly, I'm afraid that… that fundraising for an EKG is going to be very, very slim."

"Is there any further discussion? The rules will provide one additional speaker in favor. Representative Mulligan, do you wish to be in favor?"

"We'll give you 5 minutes."

"But…"

"But that's exactly what an EKG is, Representative." 09500246.doc 86  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 246th Legislative Day 4/3/2008

"An EKG is a…"

"Representative, if I just may read this cond… this one sentence to you. It says the major cause of a sudden death among athletic students is a… is a condition known as hypertrophic cardio… I'm sorry… myopathy… hypertrophic cardiomyopathy. And it says this can… it can be spotted on 09500246.doc 87  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 246th Legislative Day 4/3/2008 the EKG 90 percent of the time. By an estimate, as many as three hundred (300) people will die…"

"Again, Representative, the information came from the National Center for… Catastrophic Sports Injury Research."

"Representative, I'm not aware… and I'm really sorry that the Med Society for something that is so important, that they chose not to come before your committee to testify if it was such a waste of time. They should have been willing to go on the record to indicate that. And so, I've done my homework, the Bill has been out there, it has been before your committee on numerous of occasions. I've worked out all the differences with everyone as I promised to do so. And once again, this Bill is about saving lives and on… Yes."

"I've not heard from them either."

"Representative, your time is expired. Okay, so, Representative Flowers, you're recognized to close."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I would appreciate an 'aye' vote on House Bill 4437. This Bill will save children's lives. Over three hundred (300) people die each and every year because their parents just didn't know. And they always say, if only I had known, if only I had known. And there are lots of children or those of us that have a… conditions that we're not aware of because, unfortunately, a lot of parents don't have health care insurance and do not have the opportunity to take their children to the doctor to find out. This Bill would not stop anyone from participating on the sports. If the parents choose not to do so, that's perfectly fine. So, again, this Bill is about saving lives. It don't necessarily have to cost forty-five dollars ($45), it don't have to cost a hundred and forty- five dollars ($145). It some cases, as it was stated in District 74, that there was some type of fundraising program to help the parents out. And I'm sure, if you ask the parents of the children in the City of Chicago that attend the public schools if they would do something to save their children's lives by raising some monies or carrying this costs, they'll be more than happy to do so. So, I would ask for an 'aye' vote. Thank you."

"The question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All in favor vote 'aye'; opposed 'nay'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Representative Acevedo, Franks, 09500246.doc 89  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 246th Legislative Day 4/3/2008 Froehlich, Scully, do you wish to be recorded? Mr. Clerk, take the record. Representative, do you wish request… do you request Postponed Consideration? Okay. Postponed Consideration. Representative Durkin, you have House Bill 5513. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill. Excuse me. Representative Turner, for what reason do you rise?"

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, for a point of personal privileges."

"State you point."

"I'd like to welcome the students from Whitney Young High School, which is in my district. They're in the gallery to my immediate left. I'd like to welcome to Springfield. If we could give them a Springfield welcome."

"Welcome to Springfield. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Representative Durkin."

Speaker Hannig: "Is there any discussion? Representative Turner, for what reason do you rise?"

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, I apologize because I did not make it known to the Body that one of the Dolphins first graduates, Representative… Representative Annazette Collins is a graduate of Whitney Young. She was in the first graduating class from that school. So, they do have an alumnus here and I wanted them to know that their alumnus was here."

"House Bill 5513's on the Order of Short Debate and in response, the Gentleman from McHenry, Representative Franks."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"Indicates he'll yield."

"Currently, Representative, what's the standard if one is looking to stay enforcement?"

"But don't they sometimes have to file a bond?"

"Now, your proposal here, would it just be to help counties or state or local unit of governments?"

"Why wouldn't other litigants have that same ability then? Why are we giving the state and local governments, frankly, extraordinary power over other litigants?"

"Well, it's a much higher standard."

"It's a much… it's a much higher standard."

"Well, because right now, you don't have to show cause. And what you're saying is, you're going to treat one class of litigant different than another class of litigant."

"What you're going to say is, if you're the government, you're going to… and you are the respondent, so it's me, and the government's suing me. I am going to have to have a higher standard now than if someone else was suing me. So, why are we giving the government more power over it's citizens?" 09500246.doc 92  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 246th Legislative Day 4/3/2008

"Yeah, I just don't see why we would be giving the government more power."

"So… so, we'll take it out of the record at the request of the Sponsor. Do you wish us to move it back to Second, Representative, at this time? No. Okay, we'll leave it there for now. Representative Myers, you have House Bill 4890. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Representative Myers."

"This is on the Order of Short Debate and in response, the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Fritchey."

"Thank you, Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"Indicates he'll yield."

"Representative, the idea beneath the… behind the… or the underlying idea behind the Act was to safeguard the public from disclosure of personal information and making them subject to identity theft. And I… I have two questions. Why would we want to undermine that concept when it comes to universities and constitutional offices and the General Assembly?"

"Well, she's not here and I'm not going to question her motivations. What I will say to the Body, though, is I think that passing this will send a very mixed message that what is good enough for everybody else should not apply to us and that we don't have to show the same concern for people's personal identification and personal information as do the other people that we're dictating have to follow this. And I believe that if we feel that it's good policy for the agencies and that it's a policy that promotes the safeguard of personal information that it should apply to the constitutional officers and to this Body as well. Anybody that has read about or known anybody that's been the victim of identity theft, knows that the cost to repair the damage done by identity theft far outweighs the cost involved in preventing it in the first place. And I think this takes us a step backwards at a time when we should be moving forward. Thank you."

Speaker Hannig: "The Gentleman from DeKalb, Representative Pritchard."

"Indicates he'll yield." 09500246.doc 95  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 246th Legislative Day 4/3/2008

"Representative Currie."

"Thank you, Speaker and Members of the House. First I would say about the Bill, there really is no reason to pay to do the same exercise twice. And I think that is the heart of Representative Myers' proposal. For that reason, I support it. A question was raised why the General Assembly might be exempt from the same provisions that the universities would like exemption from. And I would say, in part, it's a separation of powers argument. We certainly abide by all the laws we pass that the Governor signs, but when it comes to particular administrative 09500246.doc 97  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 246th Legislative Day 4/3/2008 edicts about the way the Executive might wish to run it's job, that's fine and good, but that doesn't mean that those particular edicts must apply to us. Just as the universities know how to scrub their computers, we know how to scrub ours. We want to make sure that we do so in a way that is cost effective that saves taxpayer dollars. That was the reason for the Amendment Representative Myers earlier referenced, and I would appreciate your support for all of the items that are in House Bill 4890."

"We've now had three (3) speak in favor and one (1) in response. Representative Verschoore, the only spots left are in response or opposition."

"Thank… Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I just want to point out before they hired this contractor and when they… the universities and these agencies were cleaning their own, I just want to point out that I have a sheet here that there was problems with twelve hundred and eighty-four (1284) of those computers that were supposedly clean. So, there is a problem with the universities doing their own cleaning of them. I just want to make a point of that and that's why I'll be voting 'no' on this."

Speaker Hannig: "Had three (3) in favor and two (2) in opposition. Representative McCarthy, there's one spot opposed. Would you like to speak in opposition?"

"I'd just like to point a clarification…"

"Yeah, Okay. So, we'll let the…"

"…that was made very clear…"

"The Sponsor will yield." 09500246.doc 98  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 246th Legislative Day 4/3/2008

"Okay. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I just wanted a point in clarification. It was made very clear in committee by Representative Myers and… after the Amendment by Representative Currie that this in no way reduces the requirement of the universities or any of the other agencies to wipe these computers clean before they're returned to CMS. So…"

"…it's not that it's not being done, it's just going to be done in-house for a lesser cost and the duplicative cost will not be incurred by the universities or by the other agencies."

"Representative Myers to close."

"The question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All in favor vote 'aye'; opposed 'nay'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Representative Osmond, do you wish to be recorded? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 107 voting 'yes' and 1 voting 'no'. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Munson, you have House Bill 5586. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill." 09500246.doc 99  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 246th Legislative Day 4/3/2008

"Representative Munson."

"Is there any discussion? Then the question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All in favor vote 'aye'; opposed 'nay'. The voting is open. Have all voted who 09500246.doc 100  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 246th Legislative Day 4/3/2008 wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Represent… Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 108 voting 'yes' and 0 voting 'no'. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. We're going to do a number of Second Reading Bills at this time. So… Mr. Clerk, read House Bill 4724."

"Third Reading. Representative Acevedo, you have House Bill 4900. Out of the record. Representative Beaubien, on House Bill 4454. Out of the record. Representative Boland on House Bill 5006. Representative Boland. Representative Boland, shall we read this Bill? Shall we read this Bill on Second? Out of the record. Representative Bellock on House Bill 4869. Shall we read this Bill, Representative? Should we read it on Second? No? Yes. Okay. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Representative Bellock."

"Is there any discussion? Then all in favor of the Amendment say 'aye'; opposed 'nay'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Any further Amendments?"

Speaker Hannig: "Third Reading. Representative Bradley on House Bill 5576. Representative Bradley, 5576, from Second to Third. Out of the record. Representative Brady on House Bill 4252. From Second to Third? No. Okay. Out of the record. Representative Burke on House Bill 5363. Out of the record. Representative Coulson on House Bill 5595. Out of the record. Representative Monique Davis on House Bill 4160. From Second to Third? Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Third Reading. Representative Dugan on 4471. Out of the record. Representative Feigenholtz on House Bill 4623. Out of the record. Representative Kosel on House Bill 4936. Representative Kosel, do you wish us to call this on Second? Out of the record. Representative Flider on House Bill 4634. Out of the record. Representative Lindner on House Bill 4426. From Second to Third? Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk. Pardon. 4426."

"Third Reading. Representative Franks on House Bill 4193. From Second to Third, Representative? Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Third Reading. Representative Fritchey on House Bill 4844. Out of the record. Representative Meyer on House Bill 4629. Out of the record. Representative Froehlich on House Bill 5690. Out of the record. Representative Golar on House Bill 5019. Out of the record. Representative Graham on House Bill 5750. Out of the record. Representative Howard on House Bill 1831. No? Out of the record. Representative Mulligan on House Bill 5928. No? Out of the record. Representative Hernandez on 5231. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Okay. So, we still have to hold it until your notes are here, Representative. Representative Nekritz on House Bill 4683. Out of the record. Representative Osmond on 4157. Representative Osmond. Okay. Out of the record. Representative Phelps on House Bill 4931. Out of the record. Representative Reboletti on 48… House Bill 4868. 09500246.doc 103  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 246th Legislative Day 4/3/2008 Out of the record. Representative Stephens on House Bill 4625. Representative Stephens. No? Out of the record. Representative Rita on House Bill 5308. Do you wish us to read that on Second? Out of the record. Mr. Clerk, what's the status of House Bill 5908?"

"Return that to Second at the request of the Sponsor. What is the status of House Bill 5331?"

"Return that to Second at the request… at the request of the Sponsor. Mr. Clerk, what's the status of House Bill 4694?"

"Return that to the Order of Second Reading at the request of the Sponsor. Mr. Clerk, read the Agreed Resolutions."

"Representative Currie moves for the adoption of the Agreed Resolutions. All in favor say 'aye'; opposed 'nay'. The 'ayes' have it. The Agreed Resolutions are adopted. Mr. Clerk, read the Adjournment Resolution." 09500246.doc 104  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 246th Legislative Day 4/3/2008

"Representative Currie moves for the adoption of the Adjournment Resolution. All in favor say 'aye'; opposed 'nay'. The 'ayes' have it and the Adjournment Resolution is adopted. Are there any announcements? Representative Fritchey."

"Thank you, Speaker. Members, as many of you, I think, may be aware, you know, unfortunately, our dear friend and colleague Harry Osterman's father passed away earlier this week. For those Members that may be interested, visitation for Harry Joseph Osterman, Harry's dad, is going to be tomorrow from 10:30 a.m. 'til noon at St. Gertrude's Catholic Parish, which is 1420 West Granville. It's on the north side of Chicago. Funeral services will follow thereafter. If any of you don't have the information and would like it, please feel free to contact my office and we'll give it to you. And obviously, Harry and his family appreciate your thoughts and prayers. Thank you all very much." 09500246.doc 105  STATE OF ILLINOIS 95th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 246th Legislative Day 4/3/2008

"Thank you, Representative Fritchey. Are there any other announcements? Okay. Then allowing perfunctory time for the Clerk, Representative Currie moves that the House adjourn until Tuesday, April 8, at the hour of 12:00 noon. All in favor say 'aye'; opposed 'nay'. The 'ayes' have it. The Motion is adopted and the House stands adjourned."