Illinois House Floor Debate — March 24, 2009

"Good afternoon, Illinois. The Illinois House of Representatives will come to order. Members should be at their desks. We shall be led in prayer today by Dr. Don Miller, who is the pastor of Coal Creek Bible Church in Fairview, Illinois. Dr. Miller is the guest of Representative Mike Smith. Members and guests are asked to refrain from starting their laptops, turn off all cell phones and pagers and our guests are also asked to please rise for the invocation and the Pledge of Allegiance. Dr. Miller."

"Would you pray with me. Almighty God, what an honor it is to stand here today in such a beautiful and historic place. We recognize today the significance of the task before those who gather here as our state, our nation faces difficult and trying days. We ask You, Lord, to grant wisdom, discernment, insight and understanding to those who serve here on behalf of the fine people of Illinois. There's much to be done and many difficult decisions to be made. As those decisions are considered, I do not ask You, Lord, to bless what we do, but rather may we do what You bless. It's in Jesus' name that I pray, Amen."

"We'll be led in the Pledge by Representative Bob Biggins."

"Roll Call for Attendance. Leader Barbara Flynn Currie, Democrats."

"Thank you, Speaker. Please let the record reflect that Representative Gordon, Careen Gordon is excused today."

"Representative Michael Bost, GOP."

"Mr. Clerk, take the record. There are 114 Members present, we have a quorum. We're ready to do the work of the people of the State of Illinois. Mr. Clerk."

"Representative Poe, you're recognized on House Resolution 174. The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Sangamon, Representative Raymond Poe."

"Mr. Clerk."

"Representative Poe."

"Representative Poe moves for the adoption of House Resolution 174. All those in favor signify by saying 'yes'; those opposed say 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. And House Resolution 174 is adopted. Mr. Clerk, on House Resolution 194."

"The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from DeKalb, Representative Bob Pritchard."

"Representative Pritchard moves for the adoption of House Resolution 194. All those in favor signify by voting 'yes'; those opposed vote 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. And the Resolution is adopted. Congratulations. The Chair recognizes the Lady from DuPage, Representative Patti Bellock. For what purpose do you seek recognition, Representative?"

"Please proceed."

"Thank you, Representative Bellock. You're more than welcome. I'm glad you enjoyed. Thank you very much. Ladies and Gentlemen, for your information, I'm going to be moving Bills that are on the Agreed Bill List. There's a group of them that I have here. We're just going to simply 09600031.doc 5  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009 be putting them on Third Reading and then reading the Bill for… for action later on. This has been agreed to by both Democratic and Republican staff, so… First Bill, House Bill 73. Mr. Clerk, House Bill 73. Put the Bill on Third Reading and read the Bill."

"Hold that Bill on Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, House Bill 185. Put the Bill on Third Reading and read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Hold that Bill on Third Reading. The Chair recognizes Representative Bill Black. For what purpose do you seek recognition, Representative?"

"Clerk, on the request of the Sponsor, take House Bill 73 and put it back to the Order of Second Reading. Thank you, Mr. Black. Mr. Clerk, House Bill 217. Put the Bill on Third Reading, Mr. Clerk, and read the Bill."

"Hold that Bill on Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, House Bill 237. Put that Bill on the Order of Third Reading and read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Hold that Bill on Third Reading. House Bill 276, Mr. Clerk. Put that Bill on Third Reading and read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Hold that Bill on Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, House Bill 361. Put the Bill on the Order of Third Reading and read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Hold that Bill on Third Reading. House Bill 399, Mr. Clerk. Put that Bill on the Order of Third Reading and read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Hold that Bill on the Order of Third Reading. Representative… House Bill 416, Mr. Clerk. Put that Bill on Third Reading and read the Bill."

"Third Reading. House Bill 493, Mr. Clerk. Put that Bill on the Order of Third Reading and read the Bill."

"Hold that Bill on the Order of Third Reading. House Bill 516, Mr. Clerk. Put that Bill on the Order of Third Reading and read the Bill."

"Hold that Bill on the Order of Third Reading. House Bill 696, Mr. Clerk. Put that Bill on the Order of Third Reading and read the Bill."

Speaker Lyons: "…that Bill on the Order of Third Reading. House Bill 748. Put that Bill on the Order of… on Third Reading and read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Hold that Bill on the Order of Third Reading. House Bill 759, Mr. Clerk. Put that Bill on the Order of Third Reading and read the Bill."

"Hold that Bill on the Order of Third Reading. House Bill 804. Put that Bill on the Order of Third Reading and read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Hold that Bill on the Order of Third Reading. House Bill 810. Put that Bill on the Order of Third Reading and read the Bill, Mr. Clerk." 09600031.doc 8  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009

"Hold that… hold that Bill on the Order of Third Reading. House Bill 811. Put that Bill on the Order of Third Reading and read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Hold that Bill on the Order of Third Reading. House Bill 869. Put that Bill on the Order of Third Reading and read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Hold that Bill on the Order of Third Reading. House Bill 873. Put that Bill on the Order of Third Reading and read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Hold that Bill on the Order of Third Reading. House Bill 900, Mr. Clerk. Put that Bill on the Order of Third Reading and read the Bill."

"Hold that Bill on the Order of Third Reading. House Bill 927. Put that Bill on the Order of Third Reading, Mr. Clerk, and read the Bill."

"Hold that Bill on the Order of Third Reading. House Bill 931. Put that Bill on the Order of Third Reading and read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Hold that Bill on the Order of Third Reading. House Bill 944. Put that Bill on the Order of Third Reading, Mr. Clerk, and read the Bill."

"Hold that Bill on the Order of Third Reading. House Bill 973. Put that Bill on the Order of Third Reading, Mr. Clerk, and read the Bill."

"Hold that Bill on the Order of Third Reading. House Bill 1013, Mr. Clerk. Put that Bill on the Order of Third Reading and read the Bill."

"Hold that Bill on the Order of Third Reading. House Bill 1065. Put that Bill on the Order of Third Reading and read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Hold that Bill on the Order of Third Reading. House Bill 1108. Put that Bill on the Order of Third Reading, Mr. Clerk, and read the Bill." 09600031.doc 10  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009

Speaker Lyons: "…that Bill on the Order of Third Reading. House Bill 1110. Put that Bill on the Order of Third Reading and read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Hold that Bill on the Order of Third Reading. House Bill 1112. Put that Bill on the Order of Third Reading, Mr. Clerk, and read the Bill."

"Hold that Bill on the Order of Third Reading. House Bill 1119, Mr. Clerk. Put that Bill on the Order of Third Reading and read the Bill."

"Hold that Bill on the Order of Third Reading. House Bill 1122. Put the Order… put the Bill on the Order… put that Bill on the Order of Third Reading and read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Hold that Bill on the Order of Third Reading. House Bill 1132. Put that Bill on Third Reading and read the Bill."

"Hold that Bill on the Order of Third Reading. House Bill 1181, Mr. Clerk. Put that Bill on the Third Reading and read the Bill."

"Hold that Bill on the Order of Third Reading. House Bill 1190. Put that Bill on the Order of Third Reading and read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Hold that Bill on the Order of Third Reading. House Bill 1195. Put that Bill on Third Reading and read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Hold that Bill on the Order of Third Reading. House Bill 1293. Put that Bill on the Order of Third Reading, Mr. Clerk, and read the Bill."

"Hold that Bill on the Order of Third Reading. House Bill 1294. Put that Bill on the Order of Third Reading and read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Hold that Bill on the Third Reading. House Bill 1306. Put that Bill on the Order of Third Reading and read the Bill, Mr. Clerk." 09600031.doc 12  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009

"Hold that Bill on the Order of Third Reading. House Bill 1314. Put that Bill on the Third… on the Order of Third Reading and read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Hold that Bill on the Order of Third Reading. House Bill 1318. Put that Bill on the Third… Third Reading and read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Hold that Bill on the Order of Third Reading. House Bill 1319. Put that Bill on the Order of Third Reading, Mr. Clerk, and read the Bill."

"Hold that Bill on the Order of Third Reading. House Bill 1329. Put that Bill on Third Reading, Mr. Clerk, and read the Bill."

"Hold that Bill on the Order of Third Reading. House Bill 1336, Mr. Clerk. Put that Bill on the Order of Third Reading and read the Bill."

"Hold that Bill on the Order of Third Reading. House Bill 1348, Mr. Clerk. Put that Bill on the Order of Third Reading and read the Bill."

"Hold that Bill on the Order of Third Reading. House Bill 1353, Mr. Clerk. Put that Bill on the Order of Third Reading and read the Bill."

"Hold that Bill on the Order of Third Reading. House Bill 2246. Mr. Clerk, put that Bill on Third Reading and read the Bill."

"Hold that Bill on the Order of Third Reading. House Bill 2279, Mr. Clerk. Put that Bill on the Order of Third Reading and read the Bill."

"Hold that Bill on the Order of Third Reading. House Bill 2280. Mr. Clerk, put that Bill on Third Reading and read the Bill."

"Hold that Bill on the Order of Third Reading. House Bill 2281, Mr. Clerk. Put that Bill on the Order of Third Reading and read the Bill." 09600031.doc 14  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009

"Hold that Bill on the Order of Third Reading. House Bill 2284. Put that Bill on the… on the Order of Third Reading and read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Hold that Bill on the Order of Third Reading. House Bill 2289, Mr. Clerk. Put the Bill on the Order of Third Reading and read the Bill."

"Hold that Bill on the Order of Third Reading. House Bill 2322. Put that Bill on the Order of Third Reading and read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Hold that Bill on the Order of Third Reading. House Bill 2337. Put that Bill on the Order of Third Reading and read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Hold that Bill on the Order of Third Reading. House Bill 2351. Put that Bill on the Order of Third Reading and read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Hold that Bill on the Order of Third Reading. House Bill 2362. Mr. Clerk, put that Bill on the Order of Third Reading and read the Bill."

"Hold that Bill on the Order of Third Reading. House Bill 2395. Put that Bill on the… on the Order of Third Reading, Mr. Clerk, and read the Bill."

"Hold that Bill on the Order of Third Reading. House Bill 2396. Put that Bill on Third Reading and read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Hold that Bill on the Order of Third Reading. House Bill 2410. Put that Bill on the Order of Third Reading and read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Hold that Bill on the Order of Third Reading. House Bill 2414. Put that Bill on Third Reading and read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Hold that Bill on the Order of Third Reading. House Bill 2433. Put that Bill on the Order of Third Reading and read the Bill, Mr. Clerk." 09600031.doc 16  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009

"Hold that Bill on the Order of Third Reading. House Bill 2437. Put that Bill on the Order of Third Reading and read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Hold that Bill on the Order of Third Reading. House Bill 2439. Put that Bill on the… on the Order of Third Reading and Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Hold that Bill on the Order of Third Reading. House Bill 2442. Put that Bill on Third Reading and read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 2443. Put that Bill on the Order of Third Reading, Mr. Clerk, and read the Bill."

"Hold that Bill on the Order of Third Reading. House Bill 2444. Put that Bill on the Order of Third Reading, Mr. Clerk, and read the Bill."

"Hold that Bill on the Order of Third Reading. House Bill 2505. Put that Bill on the Third Reading and read the Bill, Mr. Clerk." 09600031.doc 17  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009

"Hold that Bill on the Order of Third Reading. House Bill 2506. Put that Bill on Third Reading and read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Hold that Bill on the Order of Third Reading. House Bill 2507. Put that Bill on the Order of Third Reading, Mr. Clerk, and read the Bill."

"Hold that Bill on the Order of Third Reading. House Bill 2513. Put that Bill on Third Reading and read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Hold that Bill on the Order of Third Reading. House Bill 2533. Put that Bill on the Order of Third Reading and read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Hold that Bill on the Order of Third Reading. House Bill 2536. Put that Bill on the Order of Third Reading and read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Hold that Bill on the Order of Third Reading. House Bill 2537. Put that Bill on the Order of Third Reading, Mr. Clerk, and read the Bill."

"Hold that Bill on the Order of Third Reading. House Bill 2539. Put that Bill on Third Reading and read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Hold that Bill on the Order of Third Reading. House Bill 2548. Put that Bill on the Order of Third Reading and read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Hold that Bill on the Order of Third Reading. House Bill 25… 2592. Put that Bill on Third Reading and read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Hold that Bill on the Order of Third Reading. House Bill 2593. Put that Bill on the Order of Third Reading and read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Hold that Bill on the Order of Third Reading. House Bill 2598. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk and put the Bill on the Order of Third Reading." 09600031.doc 19  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009

"Hold that Bill on the Order of Third Reading. House Bill 2612. Put that Bill on Third Reading and read the Bill, Mr. Clerk. On 2612, out of the record. House Bill 2641. Put that Bill on Third Reading and read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Hold that Bill on the Order of Third Reading. House Bill 2649. Put that Bill on the Order of Third Reading and read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Hold that Bill on the Order of Third Reading. House Bill 2650. Put that Bill on the Order of Third Reading and read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Hold that Bill on the Order of Third Reading. House Bill 2651. Put that Bill on Third Reading and read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Hold that Bill on the Order of Third Reading. House Bill 2661. Put that Bill on the Order of Third Reading and read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Hold that Bill on the Order of Third Reading. House Bill 2670. Put that Bill on the Order of Third Reading and read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"I believe we did that last… It should be on the Order of Third Reading and hold that Bill on the Order of Third Reading. You have House Bill 2670, Mr. Clerk. Put that Bill on Third Reading and read the Bill."

"Hold that Bill on the Order of Third Reading. House Bill 2674. Put that Bill on the Order of Third Reading and read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Hold that Bill on the Order of Third Reading. House Bill 2675. Put that Bill on the Order of Third Reading and read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Hold that Bill on the Order of Third Reading. House Bill 3635. Put that Bill on the Order of Third Reading and read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Hold that Bill on the Order of Third Reading. House Bill 3636. Put that Bill on Third Reading and read the Bill, Mr. Clerk." 09600031.doc 21  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009

"Hold that Bill on the Order of Third Reading. House Bill 3646. Put that Bill on the Order of Third Reading and read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Hold that Bill on the Order of Third Reading. House Bill 3647. Put that Bill on the Order of Third Reading and read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Hold that Bill on the Order of Third Reading. House Bill 3672. Put that Bill on the Order of Third Reading and read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Hold that Bill on the Order of Third Reading. It's House Bill 3697. Put that Bill on the Order of Third Reading and read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Hold that Bill on the Order of Third Reading. House Bill 3726. Put that Bill on the Order of Third Reading and read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Hold that Bill on the Order of Third Reading. House Bill 3730. Put that Bill on Third Reading, Mr. Clerk, and read the Bill."

"Hold that Bill on the Order of Third Reading. House Bill 3776. Put that Bill on Third Reading and read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Hold that Bill on the Order of Third Reading. House Bill 3785. Put that Bill on the Order of Third Reading and read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Hold that Bill on the Order of Third Reading. House Bill 3828. Put that Bill on the Order of Third Reading and read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Hold that Bill on the Order of Third Reading. House Bill 3832. Put that Bill on Third Reading and read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Hold that Bill on Third Reading. House Bill 3843. Put that Bill on Third Reading and read the Bill, Mr. Clerk." 09600031.doc 23  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009

Speaker Lyons: "House Bill 3856. Put that Bill on Third Reading and read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Hold that Bill on the Order of Third Reading. House Bill 3897. Put that Bill on the Order of Third Reading and read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Hold that Bill on the Order of Third Reading. House Bill 3908. Put that Bill on Third Reading and read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Hold that Bill on Third Reading. House Bill 3918. Put that Bill on Third Reading and read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Hold that Bill on the Order of Thirteen (sic- Third Reading). House Bill 3922. Put that Bill on Third Reading and read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Hold that Bill on the Order of Third Reading. House Bill 3950. Put that Bill on the Order of Third Reading and read the Bill, Mr. Clerk." 09600031.doc 24  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009

"Hold that Bill on the Order of Third Reading. House Bill 3971. Put that Bill on Third Reading and read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Hold that Bill on the Order of Third Reading. House Bill 3995. Put that Bill on Third Reading and read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Hold that Bill on the Order of Third Reading. House Bill 4035. Put that Bill on Third Reading and read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Hold that Bill on the Order of Third Reading. House Bill 4038. Put that Bill on Third Reading and read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Hold that Bill on the Order of Third Reading. House Bill 4048. Put that Bill on Third Reading and read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Hold that Bill on the Order of Third Reading. House Bill 4066. Put that Bill on Third Reading and read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Hold that Bill on the Order of Third Reading. House Bill 4081. Put that Bill on Third Reading and read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Hold that Bill on the Order of Third Reading. House Bill 4096. Put that Bill on Third Reading and read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Hold that Bill on the Order of Third Reading. House Bill 4109. Put that Bill on Third Reading and read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Hold that Bill on the Order of Third Reading. House Bill 4117. Put that Bill on the Order of Third Reading and read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 4169. Put that Bill on the Order of Third Reading and read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Hold that Bill on the Order of Third Reading. House Bill 4170. Put that Bill on Third Reading and read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Hold that Bill on the Order of Third Reading. House Bill 4173. Put that Bill on Third Reading and read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Hold that Bill on the Order of Third Reading. House Bill 4208. Put that Bill on Third Reading and read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Hold that Bill on the Order of Third Reading. House Bill 4236. Put that Bill on the Order of Third Reading and read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Hold that Bill on the Order of Third Reading. House Bill 4237. Put that Bill on the Order of Third Reading and read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Hold that Bill on the Order of Third Reading. House Bill 4241. Put that Bill on Third Reading and read the Bill, Mr. Clerk." 09600031.doc 27  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009

"Hold that Bill on the Order of Third Reading. House Bill 4242. Put that Bill on Third Reading and read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Hold that Bill on the Order of Third Reading. The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Menard, Representative Rich Brauer. For what purpose do you seek recognition, Representative?"

"Please proceed."

"Welcome to Springfield, enjoy your day. Thanks for coming over. Mr. Clerk, read House Bill 151."

"Mr. Clerk, read House Bill 214."

"Mr. Clerk, read House Bill 238." 09600031.doc 28  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009

"House Bill 289, Mr. Clerk."

"Read House Bill 301, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 306, Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Mr. Clerk, read House Bill 519. Mr. Clerk, the status of House Bill 306."

"Mr. Clerk, the status of House Bill 519."

"Mr. Clerk, House Bill 604."

"The status of House Bill 613."

"House Bill 615, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 621, Mr. Clerk." 09600031.doc 29  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009

"House Bill 669, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 680, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 699, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 719, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 722, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 725, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 737."

"House Bill 743, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 768, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 791, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 797, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 798, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 805, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 818, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 860."

"House Bill 865, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 914, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 972, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 986, Mr. Clerk." 09600031.doc 31  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009

"House Bill 1002, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 1014, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 1015, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 1032, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 1060, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 1089, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 1307, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 2283, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 2294, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 2296, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 2429, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 2470, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill… House Bill 2494, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 2527, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 2535, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 2542, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 2574, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 2612, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3658, Mr. Clerk." 09600031.doc 33  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009

"House Bill 3663, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3664, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3731, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3779, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3845, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3911, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 3974, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 4088, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 4094, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 4098, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 4124, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 4205, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 4223, Mr. Clerk."

"Mr. Clerk, House Bill 3723."

"Ladies and Gentlemen, what we've just done was take every Bill on the Agreed Bill List and it had to be moved from Second to Third, we did so. If it was on Third, we read it for a third time. Listen up, everybody. This is important. We haven't done this in six years, so I've been reminded. Everybody received the Agreed Bill List, that's every Bill that we just read in the last hour or so. We are going to make a one Roll Call on this list. Everybody has the opportunity to vote 'yes' or 'no', 'yes' on… 'yes', 'no', or 'present', of course, on the entire list. You will also be given a couple hours to go through this in case you want to vote 'no', 'present' or not voting on the list as you want to go through each individual Bill. If there are some Bills here that you choose to change your 09600031.doc 35  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009 vote, over the course of the next several hours, just do so by marking it appropriately, probably letting your staff know that you are marking something… a certain Bill 'no' or 'present' so we have that. And then we're asking you, folks, listen up, signature on the top of the pink sheet, print your name for you doctors in training so we know where it came from, print your name on the… on the… on the second li… on the second line here. So, does everybody understand what we're doing? We're going to take the Roll Call now. I will not announce the call… I will not, you know… we'll take the Roll Call, but we'll not read the… that total into the record until you have a chance to go through this list individually in case you want to change your vote on any of the Bills on the Agreed List. Are there any questions? The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Vermilion, Representative Bill Black."

"It is… it has been do so, Mr. Black."

"It's off the list."

"Thank you for your inquiry. Chair… the Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Winnebago, Representative Winters."

"Dave, we would like everybody to… whether you need to keep everything 'yes', sign and print your name on this thing…"

"…and turn it in, so we have everybody on the record for verifying their own vote."

"So, Ladies and Gentlemen, the question is, on Agreed Bill List 1, all those in favor signify by voting 'aye'; those opposed vote 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. Mr. Flider, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"

"Mr. Speaker, a point of personal privilege."

"State your point, Representative."

"Yes. Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Behind us in the rear of the chamber on the fourth floor, I'm proud to announce today a guest of myself and also Roger Eddy are the… is the seventh grade middle school from Lovington and also their superintendent, Roy Smith. And I wonder if you'd please give them a warm Springfield welcome."

"Welcome to Springfield. Enjoy your day. All right, Ladies and Gentlemen, we're back to the normal Calendar on the list of Bills that have been prepared and are ready for Third Reading. We'll be going… we have a list for Democratic and Republican Bills that we'll be 09600031.doc 37  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009 going through over the next hour or so. And the first Order of Business, Representative Acevedo, on page 42 of the Calendar, you have House Bill 165. Out of the record. Representative Arroyo, on page 41 of the Calendar, you have House Bill 12. Out of the record. On the Order of Second Reading, Mr. Black, you have, on page 12 of the Calendar, House Bill 862. Is it your pleasure to move that to Third Reading? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Third Reading. Mr. Durkin, on page 49 of the Calendar, you have House Bill 1116. Out of the record. Representative Mike Boland, on page 48 of the Calendar, you have House Bill 934. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Rock Island, Representative Mike Boland."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. House Bill 934 amends the Criminal Code of 1961. Provides that the prohibition on the possession of an unsterilized or vicious dog by a person convicted of dog fighting, it prohibits them from owning a vicious or unsterilized dog for a period of 10 years."

"There any discussion on the Bill? The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from DuPage, Representative Dennis Reboletti."

"He indicates he will."

"What this does is there's certain felons that are prohibited from owning such a dog for 10 years following release and this just adds dog fighting to that list of crimes."

"Right. It would be a Class A misdemeanor under a year or a $2500 fine."

"After release from incarceration."

"What…"

"Well, according to what I have, after they're released from the Department of Corrections." 09600031.doc 39  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009

"Yes. Yeah. Anybody convicted of a forcible felony or imprisonment."

"Oh, excuse me, and imprisonment."

"It would be included in the earlier penalty then."

"Yeah. Let me explain it. Yeah. This Bill does nothing… the 10-year thing is not new. This is just adding the offense of dog fighting to that. It's already covered in methamphetamine, you know, marijuana, some other controlled substances, deadly weapons offenses. So, it would be separate."

"This was brought to me by the Best Friends Animal Society." 09600031.doc 40  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009

"Yeah. This does not change enforcement. This would just be as currently…"

"After their period of incarceration."

"Sure."

"Pull this out for about 10 minutes. We'd like to talk about it."

"On the request of the Sponsor, Mr. Clerk, we'll take this Bill out of the record. Representative Washington, you seek recognition? Representative Fred Crespo, on page 45 of the Calendar, you have House Bill 656. Out of the record. Representative Debbie Graham, on page 42 of the Calendar, you have House Bill 180, 180. Do you wish to call the Bill, Representative, or you want it out of the record? Out of the record. Representative Bill Mitchell, on page 43 of the Calendar, you have House Bill 09600031.doc 41  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009 268. Bill, are you ready to call the Bill? Out of the record. Representative Betsy Hannig, on page 52 of the Calendar, you have House Bill 3606. Out of the record. Representative Karen May, on page 51 of the Calendar, you have House Bill 42… excuse me… House Bill 2428. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk. Representative May."

"I believe there's an Amendment to be adopted. I move the adoption of Amendment #1."

"Representative, we'll have to move that Bill back to the Order of Second Reading and then we'll get back to you. So, on the request of the Sponsor, Mr. Clerk, move House Bill 2428 to the Order of Second Reading for the purpose of an Amendment. Representative May, I think we are ready to go on the Amendment. Want to present your Amendment, Amendment #1, to House Bill 2428?"

"Yes, Speaker. The Amendment makes several changes that were suggested by other Members of the General Assembly. Tying the amount more closely to Federal Law referencing it, so not actually mentioning the amount of $2400, and instead of just individuals it includes household members."

"Are there any questions on the Amendment? The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Cook, Representative John Fritchey."

"Thank you, Speaker. To the Amendment real quickly. I just want to thank the Sponsor for pulling this out of the record last week. As I said at that time, she had a very, very good concept, but I thought there were some drafting issues. She was generous enough to work with me 09600031.doc 42  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009 on those and I think she's got an excellent Bill. Thank you."

"No one seeking further recognition, all those in favor of the adoption of Amendment #1 to 2428 signify by saying 'yes'; those opposed vote 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. And the Amendment is adopted. Anything further, Mr. Clerk?"

"Third Reading. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

Speaker Lyons: "The Chair recognizes the Lady from Lake, Representative Karen May."

"Yes. This… this Bill amends the State Officials and Employees Ethics Act. And I think that I personally am very committed and many of us are committed to restoring confidence of the citizens of state in the ethical conduct of all members in State Government. It limits contributions to persons appointed to boards and commissions that make to the appointing Executive Branch officer that appoints them for one year before and one year after. This is aimed at cleaning up the 'clout club' and I will be happy to answer any questions and ask for your support."

"Is there any discussion? The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Jim Durkin."

"The Sponsor yields." 09600031.doc 43  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009

"Yes. That… we have in…"

"Who would qualify… I'm sorry. Repeat the…"

"Yes. It's anyone… any persons occupying the same single dwelling."

"They're not part of the household."

"That's correct."

"They are…"

"Yeah. That would be a different part of the Bill. Household member really is about family members, but there's other language 'cause' or may… may not make or 'cause to be made' contributions. And that phrase 'cause to be made' would refer to businesses." 09600031.doc 44  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009

"So, if there was a person in a business and they caused it to be made, it would be prohibited."

"If they live on their own, if I understand it. Yes, they live on their own; they're free to make it."

"No, I don't think so because if someone is under the same roof and a family member under the same roof, if someone's living on their own, they're supporting themselves and an independent person, is how I would define it."

"No, I don't agree."

"I think that this is an excellent… I think that this is an excellent start to define household, not just the individual and to also attempt to limit the business contributions, the cause to be made. So, I think that 09600031.doc 45  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009 we've made… we've made progress and that this is a very good step forward, a needed step forward."

Speaker Lyons: "The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Vermilion, Representative Bill Black."

"Sponsor yields."

"It would be household aggregate contributions of everyone in the household."

"Two hundred and forty."

"That would… Yes. That would be… it would not be possible to do that."

"Well, I don't have it with me either, but I think that that means our political committees that, you know, it's 09600031.doc 46  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009 Friends of Bill Black or Committee to Elect Bill Black or something. You know, that… that type of committee that puts the officeholder in office."

"The Bill is drafted to mean the political committees for that person, as I said, the officer… the Constitutional Officer."

"I think it's much different. The problem that I'm trying to attack is the $25 thousand club, the 'clout club', the people who give large amounts… large contributions to one Constitutional Officer. So, your influence of a Party, like you're saying, is something… is something different."

"You know, Representative, there… there are always… I won't… I'm a good believer in sunshine, as I'm sure you are, that sunshine is a good disinfectant, but this is making a serious attempt at cutting down on the 'clout club'. Now, I know what you're saying that only the Democratic Party has Constitutional Officeholders now, but I think you would agree that hope springs eternal for both Parties, that we want to set our Constitutional Officers to the highest standard that both Parties would like to see."

"Mr. Black, your time has expired. We'll give you another minute or so to conclude your questions."

Speaker Lyons: "No one seeking further recognition. Representative May to close."

"Yes. I would just like to respond to the last point. I agree with what much of the Representative has mentioned here, but there are other Bills out there. Representative’s Bill… Representative Osterman's Bill which is about general campaign contributions from the public, I support that, also. This is a tandem Bill to that. The contributions to Constitutional Officers is not in that Bill. I'm a Sponsor of that Bill, so I agree with that also. But this is a tandem Bill that will work with it to, as I say, cleanup the ethics and restore confidence in State Government. I ask for an 'aye' vote. This is one 09600031.doc 49  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009 part of many Bills that may come out of this chamber. Thank you."

"The question is, 'Should House Bill 2428 pass?' All those in favor signify by voting 'yes'; those opposed vote 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Will Davis. Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Bill, there are 114 Members voting 'yes', 0 voting 'no'. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Mr. Clerk, what's the status of House Bill 264?"

"On the request of the Sponsor, move that Bill back to the Order of Second Reading. Representative Danny Reitz, on page 49 of the Calendar, you have House Bill 1010. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

Speaker Lyons: "The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Randolph, Representative Danny Reitz."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. House Bill 1010 is a rewrite of the Dental Practice Act. It provides that the board may review emerging scientific technology. It also provides the training for CPR certification will be required in the Act. It counts toward the dentist's continuing education hours. And it has language in there to make sure that if anyone who takes impressions of human teeth or performs any phase of teeth whitening is… will have a license 09600031.doc 50  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009 administered by the department. And I'd be happy to answer any questions."

"Is there any discussion on House Bill 1010? Seeing none, the question is, 'Should House Bill 1010 pass?' All those in favor signify by voting 'yes'; those opposed vote 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Representative Durkin, Representative Jerry Mitchell. Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Bill, there are 112 Members voting 'yes', 0 voting 'no', 2 Members voting 'present'. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Mr. Clerk, Representative Bob Rita has House Bill 786. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Bob Rita."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This Bill is a Bill that we passed out last year. It got caught up in the rulemaking procedure. This Bill classifies it for identity theft for roofing contractors who submit a roofing contractor that will knowingly is not going to be performing the work on the particular project, but put down that contractor on the paperwork to obtain a building permit and what then happens, they use the unlicensed and unqualified roofing contractor to complete the work. This is an initiative from the Chicago and Downstate Roofing Contractors Association, the Illinois 09600031.doc 51  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009 Council of Code Administrators… the Illinois Council of Code Administrators. And also is a second partner to there's a grandfather Act that opens up to 2012 for their licensing to allow individuals that have… had been licensed and a contractor for 15 years to be grandfathered in as a licensed roofing contractor. I'd be happy to answer any questions."

"Is there any discussion? The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Jackson, Representative Michael Bost."

"The Clerk will so note the excusal…"

"…of Representative Michael McAuliffe at this time. Any further discussion? The question is, 'Should House Bill 786 pass?' All those in favor signify by voting 'yes'; those opposed vote 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Bill, there's 113 Members voting 'yes', 0 voting 'no'. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Pihos, on page 47 of the Calendar, you have House Bill 821. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"The Chair recognizes the Lady from DuPage, Representative Sandy Pihos." 09600031.doc 52  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009

"Is there anyone seeking recognition? The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Cook, Representative John Fritchey."

"A quick question. Will the Sponsor yield? Speaker, I apologize."

"Sponsor yields."

"So, a quick question. What would prevent an individual from creating a not-for-profit corporation to simply hold the condominium as a way of getting around this?"

"When you say already in the pipeline, you mean that have a lease as of the time of this Bill becoming law?"

"What happens when the lease expires?" 09600031.doc 53  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009

"So, you… so, essentially… did this come out of a specific situation? I mean, it seems that you are… you're looking to prevent somebody that has a lease currently from being removed by virtue of actions of a condominium board, but the fact of the matter is that I don't think a condominium board could do anything to impact an existing lease today anyway."

"All right. Thank you."

Speaker Lyons: "The Chair recognizes the Lady from Cook, Representative Debbie Graham."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. To the Bill. I stand in support of this measure. It's a very important piece of legislation. 501(c)(3) organizations may own some of the condo units. They're units that were put there to help 09600031.doc 54  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009 families become productive members of society. They are case-managed and these are units that these organizations use to help families along the way. It's an important piece of legislation and I understand what some of the condo owners and associations, what their concerns are, but this legislation has been narrowed, has been worked on for the last couple of years. I want to thank Representative Pihos for working on this legislation. Please add me back as one of your Chief cosponsors on this Bill. It's very important. It is to the har… to the core of what we've been trying to do when you talk about helping families stay together and be stable. So, thank you for continuing to work on this Bill and narrowing it so that we can continue to move forward with it. Thank you."

Speaker Lyons: "The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Vermilion, Representative Bill Black."

Speaker Lyons: "No one seeking further discussion? Representative Pihos to close."

"The question is, 'Should House Bill 821 pass?' All those in favor signify by voting 'yes'; those opposed vote 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Bill, there's 103 Members voting 'yes', 7 voting 'no', 3 voting 'present'. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is 09600031.doc 56  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009 hereby declared passed. Mr. Clerk, on page 49 of the Calendar, Representative Ray Poe has House Bill 1003. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

Speaker Lyons: "The Gentleman from Sangamon County, Representative Raymond Poe."

"Is there any discussion? The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from DeKalb, Representative Bob Pritchard."

"The Chair recognizes the Lady from Champaign, Representative Naomi Jakobsson."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise in support of the Representative's Bill. This would be very good for all of the counties that are not, as of this point, part of that an… have that annexation agreement. And I just urge everyone to vote 'aye', please."

Speaker Lyons: "The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from McHenry, Representative Jack Franks."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"Sponsor yields."

"Representative, why do we need this law?"

"But I'm not sure how it works in the practical term. So, let's assume there's a municipality and they sign a… an annexation agreement with a developer and they do it at the edge of their land… at the edge of the municipal area and they go, I don't know, a half a mile out. Okay. And then they have someone else who also wants to build and they're 1.1 miles past that, but because of the economy the first builder for the first half mile never builds it. Then would the municipality under your Bill be prohibited from 09600031.doc 58  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009 annexing unless they had two-thirds agreement by the county board."

"I'm happy to hear that, 'cause I was concerned when I was reading this what you were trying to solve. I see the Farm Bureau's for it and Metro counties are for it and some… and even some of the municipalities. I see the only opponent is the Illinois Municipal League, correct?"

"Well, as usual, you always bring very thoughtful, direct Bills. So, thank you for bringing this forward."

Speaker Lyons: "Any further discussion? Seeing none, the question is, 'Should House Bill… Mr. Poe, would you care to close… any closing remarks on House Bill 1003?" 09600031.doc 59  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009

"The question is, 'Should House Bill 1003 pass?' All those in favor signify by voting 'yes'; those opposed vote 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Representative Beth Coulson. Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Bill, there are 100 Members voting 'yes', 13 voting 'no'. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Mike Smith, on page 51 of the Calendar, you have House Bill 2377. Out of the record. Representative Pat Verschoore, on page 52 of the Calendar, you have House Bill 2626. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Rock Island, Representative Pat Verschoore."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. I ask your support on House Bill 2626 which seeks to end the practice of demanding $30 thousand for crossing the right of way of the former Rock Island Lines. Some 30 years ago, during the railroad bankruptcy proceedings, Hawkeye Land Development of Cedar Rapids, Iowa, purchased the Rock Island Line's real estate across Iowa and portions of Illinois, ending near Ottawa. Hawkeye has been collecting 09600031.doc 60  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009 outrageous crossing fees from Illinois electric and gas utilities, telephone and telecommunication providers and units of local government to cross this Hawkeye right of way. This… this right of way would provide services to homes, farms, factories, schools, businesses large and small in House District 72 and 74 and across to Ottawa. Until now, Hawkeye has held the upper hand in what are basically unilateral take it or leave it transactions. The granting of crossing easements certainly is no longer an accommodation for these utilities and others who might extend service across Hawkeye right of way. These crossing fees have been a profit center or prime revenue source for Hawkeye. Of course, it's our constituents who ultimately pay in the end the 30 thousand fee. So, my solution goes like this. The party seeking the crossing from Hawkeye would submit an application describing what needs along the engineering specification and a check for $1500. Hawkeye would have 30 days to review the request before the crossing construction activity would commence. This legislation… or this legislative solution to Hawkeye's problem has been in place in Iowa and Wisconsin for more than six years. Crossing fees in those states are capped at 750 and Hawkeye owns much more right of way in Iowa than in Illinois. You may have noticed my Bill exempts all registered rail carriers in Illinois. That's because in recognizing Hawkeye's bad behavior the rail carriers have executed reasonable right of way payment agreements with the utilities and others. I'd urge your support of 26… House Bill 2626 and I'd be glad to answer any questions." 09600031.doc 61  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009

"Is there any discussion on House Bill 2626? The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Jim Durkin."

"Sponsor yields."

"That's right."

"Correct."

"Any further discussion? The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Macon, Representative Bob Flider."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"Sponsor yields."

"Yes. Representative, reading this analysis and hearing the discussion, it sounds like the concern is that the railroads are charging fees that are, in some estimations, way too high?"

"No. It's not railroads. It's the… this land… a land management company bought up the right of way from the old Rock Island Lines and they're charging railroads and… 09600031.doc 62  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009 not railroads… but telecommunications or utilities and local governments these outrageous fees."

"Now, when the utilities would have to pay these fees, what would actually… how would they recoup their costs?"

"They would just… that would be part of doing business which they don't have a problem with paying 1500, but they have a real problem paying 30 thousand. But I suppose if these fees stay in place like they are, they'd have to pick that up from our constituents."

"So, this… so, basically, what they're trying to do is limit their fees which in turn would be… they try and pick up at the ICC in increased rates?"

"Right. And what they do is bring them in line with what fees that are already in place in Iowa and Wisconsin."

"Okay. Thank you."

"Thank you."

"Representative Verschoore to close."

"I would just ask for an 'aye' vote. Thanks for the questions."

"The question is, 'Should House Bill 2626 pass?' All those in favor signify by voting 'yes'; those opposed vote 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Representative Chapa LaVia. Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Bill, there are 98 Members voting 'yes', 15 Members voting 'no', 0 voting 'present'. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Ladies and Gentlemen, just as a reminder, we'll be 09600031.doc 63  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009 saying this a couple times in the course of the afternoon. Turn in the Agreed Bill List even if you're saying 'yes' on all the Bills. Sign and print your name on the pink copy and bring it to the well. So, we're going to take the final vote in the next hour or so, but please, everyone bring your tally sheets to the well. Representative Mark Walker, on page 51 of the Calendar, you have House Bill 2394. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Mark Walker."

"I am delighted to offer this as my first Bill. It is House Bill 2394. It amends the Tax Increment Allocation Redevelopment Act, so that TIF funds can be applied to development and redevelopment around star… purposed STAR Line stations. For those… as a reminder, the STAR line is a… is a transit proposal that goes from Joliet all the way around the suburbs to O'Hare. It connects the ends of the spokes of the commuter lines that go out from Chicago. This is a Bill that allows local municipalities and others to develop the area around the STAR Line stations. The TIF will be set up and applicable only if there is unanimous approval of the local taxing bodies. I ask for your approval of this."

Speaker Lyons: "The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Jackson, Representative Mike Bost."

"Sponsor yields." 09600031.doc 64  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009

"This is my first Bill."

"That's corr…"

"That's…"

"A TIF… a TIF district allows the establishment of a redevelopment area to which increment tax funding can be applied with the approval of the taxing bodies that themselves are not receiving the funds."

"I would say that what I'm looking for is a way for local communities to redevelop areas around the STAR stations for the future."

"Well, it affects over a hundred communities and hundreds of taxing districts… taxing bodies in those hundred communities."

"No, no. It is… it's provides the option of those hundred communities to establish 22 TIF districts around STAR stations."

"I don't know exactly. I know it is well more than a hundred."

"I'm looking at providing the option. If the school district does not unanimously… every taxing body in that district unanimously approve this, that is doesn't happen."

"The area?"

"They are a ha… in half a mile radius around the proposed locations of the stations of the STAR Line. And the STAR Line itself goes from Joliet to around the suburbs to the west of O'Hare, down the northwest highway, ends at O'Hare."

"It is the… it is a transit line proposed by Metra. It's call… it is the… I've forgotten the… what the acronym means, but it is a rail line to move people in the suburbs between suburbs. It affects 1.2 million people; it affects a hundred communities. They'll be seven…"

"Pardon me."

"I certainly do not."

"It is the Suburban Transit Access Route, is what the acronym…"

"Right. Suburban Transit Access Route."

"It… I would guess it's much larger. I'm not familiar with your route."

"I understand." 09600031.doc 67  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009

"No, I would not change the Bill."

"This benefits the whole region of the suburbs around northern Illinois."

"It is… it's focused legislation, but it covers a very large area, unlike most special legislation. It allows a hundred communities an option to redevelop. The benefit, I think, are masked because it allows a lot of people to commute in all kinds of directions around Chicago to get labor to where the jobs are."

"The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Will Davis." Davis, W.: "Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Representative, to your Bill. I'm not sure what this does or does not do for my district, but the reason I asked to be recognized 09600031.doc 68  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009 is, Ladies and Gentlemen, in the gallery above me is Super Bowl Champion Dennis McKinnon, who's down here today representing the Jason Foundation which deals with suicide prevention. They're having a reception at Panther Creek Country Club tonight from 6 to 7:30. Everyone is invited. Ladies and Gentlemen, Super Bowl Champion, Dennis McKinnon."

"Welcome to Springfield, Dennis. We wish you could still suit up for the Bears. The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Vermilion, Representative Bill Black."

"Sponsor yields."

"I'm certainly not a better Legislator. I'm here to listen and learn. What I did with this Bill was narrow it down to a specific use in a specific area and thereby avoided what I'd heard were the problems with the other Bill that other geographies had."

"I don't know the answer to that. I know I have gone to the planning… the initial planning sessions of four villages in my district that are planning their stations and they are talking about everything from garages to small factories to retail to multifamily housing."

"I don't… I don't believe so."

"Sacrosanct under this legislation, there might be a taking of, but those…"

"Of eminent domain, but that's a different process." 09600031.doc 70  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009

"Correct."

"The Joint Review Board is a board that… that confirms the establishment of a TIF, sets goals for it and manages it. In this case, it involves representatives of each of the taxing bodies impacted by the TIF, plus one civilian."

"If that… if I'm calling him a civilian. And they have to vote unanimously to approve it in any given situation."

"That does stop the TIF redevelopment, yes."

"That's correct."

"Tax Increment Financing." 09600031.doc 71  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009

"That's essentially correct, yes."

"No, I have not."

"I have not turned it in yet, but I know that I have no conflict."

"Yes."

"I can share it with you personally."

"Right."

"Right. That's what mine looks like."

"All right."

"Mr. Black, I believe you're finished. Do you need another minute?" 09600031.doc 72  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009

"That's what it's there for, Mr. Black."

"I… you still… it's still free and unlimited in a lot of times, though."

"I had help from the staff… the Speaker's staff people."

"Yeah."

"I don't know, actually. I… I…"

"I have it… I have it in a note. I'm… I don't know it right off the top of my head."

"Yeah." 09600031.doc 73  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009

"I don't know."

"Yes."

"Yes. Thank you for pointing that out."

"Oh, Elaine always helps."

"Everyone helped me."

"But I also…"

"…pay close attention to the Leaders in this chamber."

"This is my idea."

"I live… I started attending planning meetings and saw that four of my local villages were planning stations. And I said, well, why don't we figure out a way to make TIFs."

"Pardon me?" 09600031.doc 74  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009

"No, no. These are new lines. These are new locations for stations."

"Yes."

"That is the plan."

"It is a new train line."

"Yes."

"I'll pass that on."

"Thank you."

"The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Lou Lang."

"Well, thank you, Mr. Speaker. That's a hard act to follow. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"I believe he will, Sir." 09600031.doc 75  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009

"So, in all the hubbub of this exciting discussion, I don't think I heard. I this your first Bill, Sir?"

"This is my first Bill."

"Well, I think you're duty bound to tell us that before you started."

"It was the first words out of my mouth."

"Well, then I think you're duty bound to tell us every 30 seconds 'cause I missed it."

"This is my first Bill."

"Thank you. So, I don't really have a problem with the Bill. I think it's probably an important Bill for your district, but we have this ritual and this exercise we must go through. And so let me… let me ask you this question. So, I printed out your Bill. It's got 108 pages, but only on four pages of the Bill are there any actual changes in the law."

"That's correct."

"Four pages. So, we printed out 108 pages, you killed many trees, how many killed a tree reading this Bill? All right, a couple. And why did we waste all this paper on this Bill, Representative, couldn't you have just changed those four pages without doing 108 pages to do it?"

"That's sounds like a very good idea. But I followed what the process normally is here and I was handed this package."

"You're not going to have a very long career here, Sir, if you follow the process. Representative Black has never followed the process, look how successful he's been. Right? All right. So, on page 27 of your Bill, lines 1 09600031.doc 76  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009 through 4, there are some Sections removed and these Sections are all letters: DDD, EEE, FFF, GGG. Do you get my point?"

"Yes."

"And then it says something about the Village of Libertyville and there's a line through that, so what is all this? What are these changes?"

"These were TIF districts referred to in the previous legislation that have now expired."

"So, has the Village of Libertyville expired?"

"I've been corrected. They are changes. They were moved to another Section not in this Bill."

"Well, that's an important correction. And so the Village of Libertyville has not expired; it still exists?"

"It is 23 years old and…"

"Well, we'll throw a birthday party. I wasn't really asking how old it was, Sir."

"Ordinarily they expire after 23 years, but…"

"Oh, I see, I see."

"It's been expired, I think…"

"So, it's not the Village… it's not the Village of Libertyville that's 23 years old. It was the TIF that was 23 years old."

"That's correct."

"And you've now moved that to a different Section of the statute?"

"Yes."

"What Section? Don't ask for help, just tell me."

"I don't know." 09600031.doc 77  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009

"I don't think I know either. I don't really care. On another Section of your Bill… and by the way, page 80 repeats this same stuff. Why do we have to do it twice? Why do we have to remove the Village of Libertyville twice, Sir?"

"I honestly don't know that. I rely on the issues staff."

"All right. I wouldn't think you'd… I wouldn't think you would know that. On page 102 of the Bill, you seem to be deleting the entire 95th General Assembly. Is that something you intended to do? Are all of the Acts that were undertaken by the 95th General Assembly and I'm certain that means the signature of the Governor on every Bill in that General Assembly, are you trying to void all of that?"

"I am not. I'm simply trying to reproach that."

"You want to… you want to take your Bill out of the record and check to see if you've made an error in drafting here, Sir?"

"I would prefer to go forward with the Bill."

"I said… I'm sorry?"

"I’d prefer to go forward with the Bill."

"So, even if you're voiding every law, every Act, the budget of the 95th General Assembly, you're prepared… you're prepared to just let that go without even reading it?"

"I am certain I'm going forward properly." 09600031.doc 78  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009

"All right. You know, I trust staff too, but even Ronald Reagan said, trust but verify. And you know what I think of Ronald Reagan, Sir."

"I can guess, yeah."

"All right. And so, I don't have much else to say. Do you have any questions of me, Sir?"

"I do not, but…"

"Well…"

"…I continue to take your leadership and advice."

"Well, that's very kind of you. Well, I think we're done here then, Sir. Thank you."

"Mr. Lang, in keeping with tradition, no comment on the neckwear?"

"I… I would just compliment the Gentleman on his tie, Sir."

"The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from DuPage, Representative Mike Fortner."

"Sponsor yields."

"I would say I'm fairly familiar with it, yes."

"My understanding is that it was first proposed as a full project in 2003, as a Metra project and they estimated that the cost at that time would be $1.1 billion."

"I do not know."

"No. I'm…"

"I really have no idea.

"On Route 90, it goes… first it leaves O'Hare, the two stations that are there, it goes up the northwest highway then far…"

"There are railroad tracks from the city to O'Hare on Route 90. This extends that out all the way to Hoffman Estates to near the Sears…"

"I don't know the original idea."

"Yes. It goes out to Hoffman Estates near the Sears campus. It goes by a lot of employers on the way and then it turns south, goes down the old E & J line all the way to Joliet…"

"…including Naperville, Plainview, a lot of the communities…"

"I do not know that."

"Again, I don't… I don't know that. I'm looking at the STAR Line as proposed now."

"The Bi…" 09600031.doc 81  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009

"I believe that the stations that are defined in the proposal, because they're called proposed STAR Line stations, that are defined in the current proposal are covered in this Act."

"Not as proposed in this Act, but I'd be happy to go forward with a plan for those stations, if it comes to fruition."

"I look… I look forward to working on it with you."

"The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Cook, Representative David Miller."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"Sponsor yields."

"A couple questions regarding this. Do… do you have any indication of a timeline in which the TIFs will be activated?"

"I don't. I don't know when the STAR Line will start, if it starts."

"I'm sorry."

"I do not know when this project, the STAR Line itself, will start if it is… if it's going forward."

"In terms of the municipalities that this will be affected, in our analysis none of the municipalities are listed nor are the school districts that would be affected. Have you had any conversations dealing with them in terms of establishing a TIF district through this?"

"I have had conversations with representatives of the school districts and villages in my district about this, which includes four of the stations, but I believe that…"

"Which communities? I'm not familiar with exactly which communities these are, but can you identify them?"

"Yes. Des Plains, Arlington Heights, Rolling Meadows, Schaumburg." 09600031.doc 83  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009

"Okay. And you… I'm sorry to interrupt, Representative. You were saying that… that you’d had a conversation with the school district."

"I've had a conversation with some of those school districts, yes, but I believe that since I structured the Bill so that you would have to get unanimous approval in any case, that their rights are covered in… in any potentiality here."

"All right. When you mentioned unanimous approval, are you saying within that particular school districts… school district or are you saying within all of the school districts that… and the taxing bodies that would be affected by the TIF district would have to agree with this?"

"That is correct."

"And I guess the speculation, how… how likely would this happen? I mean, what is your indication that something like this would… that all districts would agree?"

"I believe that if the proposal was strong enough for the community and the economic benefits to the community were strong enough, the districts would agree."

"Now, in terms of… did Metra bring this to you or was this…"

"No."

"Okay. We have a line out our way that we've been trying to develop, the southeast rail that goes from downtown to the Village of Dolton, South Holland out to Crete and I just want to make sure that this would still keep that rail, the STAR Line, on similar footing. And so, 09600031.doc 84  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009 what I'm hearing from you saying, you're not sure if there will at least be… there's no indication from you passing this Bill that the school districts or the local communities will be supportive of this in any greater strength. Is that a fair statement?"

"I think that's a fair statement; it's hard to predict."

"Okay. And so, what you're trying to do is just make sure, if and when the STAR Line moves forward, that this vehicle for the municipalities be used is in place?"

"That's correct. I want them to have the option."

"Okay. And as far as the Senate is concerned, have you identified a Senate Sponsor?"

"Not formally."

"Oh…"

"I have discussed it with my Senator."

"Okay. And so, it will be attempted to be moved forward there?"

"That's correct."

"Okay. All right. Thank you, Mr. Speaker."

Speaker Lyons: "The Gentleman from DuPage, Representative Dennis Reboletti."

"Sponsor yields."

"That's fair to say and surrounding areas." 09600031.doc 85  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009

"I… I am not aware of any."

"I don't know."

"I do consider the Elgin-O'Hare Expressway a priority and its access to O'Hare to be a priority."

"I don't think so."

"We had… we had an earlier Bill out of committee that I put in the Agreed Bill List."

"I have not."

"That's correct. It adds a new category."

Speaker Lyons: "The Chair recognizes Representative Sid Mathias."

"The Sponsor yields."

"I did not ask her if it was okay, no."

"Yes."

"No one told me. I'm sorry I missed it."

"Thank you."

"Representative Randy Ramey."

"Sponsor yields."

"You… you… you know, you look rather good in pink as well as in red, Representative. So, you… either color works for you."

"You know, it's a marvelous color on you."

"The…"

"The option to… the option to establish a TIF starts with the passage of the Bill, but any municipality can start their TIF when they want to."

"I'm sorry, I missed your question."

"I…"

"…I doubt it unless there is a very firm plan for the construction of the STAR Line itself."

"Yes."

"I don't know exactly how many. I know…"

"…more…"

"People are working on that now."

"The people who are planning the STAR Line, Metra."

"I'm aware of that, yes."

"I know neither the estimated additional cost nor whether we have any money to build any of this."

"Which town?" 09600031.doc 89  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009

"Oh, Barrington has been very upset with the delay in traffic that is caused through the center of their town."

"Representative, the clock has expired. If you could wrap it up in the next 30 seconds, please."

"Thirty seconds."

Speaker Lyons: "Our final speaker is, Representative Jack Franks and then Representative Walker to close."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"Sponsor yields."

"Representative, I wanted to… I'm not going to kid around with you. I want to ask you some serious questions about this. I… I read the Bill and I know what you're trying to do. And I appreciate how we're all trying to 09600031.doc 90  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009 bring business to our areas, but what I'm concerned about, quite frankly, and I'd like to hear your thoughts on this, is the fact that we're going to be increasing the definition of what could be used as a TIF district much past what we thought when this was first started, because now you'll be able to have a TIF district legally in a nonblighted area. Are you aware that this is a major expansion of the ability to have TIF districts?"

"I am aware that it is an expansion. There are many cases where TIF districts have been used where we would traditionally not call them blighted areas."

"No. I… I'm sorry."

"But I don't… I want to take advantage of this now. The whole issue of the structure and the operation of TIFs, I think, is a larger issue."

"And I think you hit on something very important when you talked about there has been many instances where we've given TIFs in areas that have not been blighted. That was never the intent and I think as a result there's been a real abuse of the TIF law, and a matter of fact, I'd rather see a definition that would tighten the definition of what would be available for a TIF rather than expand that definition. And I'd like to know your thoughts."

"I believe that given the TIF law as it is today that this would allow the option for communities to do significant economic development. The larger issue of how we improve the whole TIF concept, I think, is a larger discussion." 09600031.doc 91  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009

"But why do we need a TIF district if the area is not blighted? Let's assume you have an area that, within the boundaries in which you're proposing, but it has thriving businesses, shops, restaurants, bars, et cetera, why would that area be able to be placed in a TIF district so the rest of the… you know, the schools or the other businesses would not have the benefit of their contribution of their tax dollars?"

"I believe that they probably would not establish a TIF district in that case and that the taxing bodies, who have to approve this unanimously, probably at least one of them would not stand for it."

"Well, I appreciate your… your candor and your hard work on this. I'm just not convinced this is the public policy that we… that we ought to be chasing in this state."

"Representative Mark Walker to close."

"The goal here is to allow other options for local communities to focus on and develop the economy for this whole region. And I would ask for your 'aye' vote on this Bill."

"The question is, 'Should House Bill 2394 pass?' All those in favor signify by voting 'yes'; those opposed vote 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Bill, there are 82 Members voting 'yes', 31 Members voting 'no'. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Congratulations, 09600031.doc 92  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009 Representative Walker, on your first Bill. Nice job. Ladies and Gentlemen, Mr. Frank Mautino in the Chair."

"Mr. Clerk, House Bill 3957. Representative Sacia. Read the Bill."

"The Gentleman from Winnebago, Representative Sacia."

Speaker Mautino: "On House Bill 3957, Representative Jack Franks."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"Indicates he will."

"Representative, our analysis indicates this is not costs only that they'd be… be able to get. They'd also be able to collect attorney's fees."

"How would the attorney's fees be determined?"

"Is it listed in the Bill text?"

"Sure." 09600031.doc 93  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009

"And my question is, maybe for legislative intent, we're going to have to give the court some idea of how to determine what's reasonable, because what's reasonable for a public entity is certainly different than what may be reasonable for a private entity. Would it be based on the salary of a first-year assistant prosecutor or would it be based on, you know, a salary of a 20-year partner in a mega law firm in Chicago?"

“Thank you.”

"Representative Sacia to close. Seeing no one else to speak. No… Excuse me…"

"Thank you. Mr. Clerk, would you take the Bill out of the record at the request of the Sponsor. Mr. Clerk, on the Calendar, page 50, appears House Bill 2365. Representative Washington. Mr. Clerk, what's the status of the Bill?"

"Are there any Amendments or Motions filed?"

"Would you return that Bill to Second Reading. Mr. Clerk, read Amendment #1."

"Representative Washington on Floor Amendment #1."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this particular legislation, it deals with the kinship care and I'm sure we all know a grandparent, godparents, stepparents, somebody has to take care of those that are finding themselves in a situation and they're not being nurtured. And this has been such a hardship on the state and then generally, if the people don't get the care that they deserve, they wind up being candidates for Children and Family Services, they wind up being candidates for IDOC. So, this Bill is to add some correctness to that and put some of the responsibility with the different agencies which all have joined this Bill."

Speaker Mautino: "The Gentleman moves adoption of Floor Amendment 1. Seeing no one's seeking recognition, all in favor signify by saying 'aye'; opposed say 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Mr. Clerk, Third Reading. Read the Bill."

"Representative Washington."

"Thank you, Mr. Chairman. As I was stating earlier, this defines the kinship care, as a full-time care: nurturing and protection of children by relatives, 09600031.doc 95  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009 members of their tribes or clans, grandparents, godparents, stepparents, or any adult who has physical custody and a kinship bond with the child. This definition is designed to be inclusive without age restriction on the kinship caregiver and respectful of cultural values and ties of affection. It allows a child to grow to adulthood in a family environment, establishes a program to be administered through a grant to a not-for-profit organization to serve as liaison among state agencies and groups to promote kinship care through conferences and to provide the following services: organizing diverse, enriched, and culturally conscious kinship support groups and counseling; assisting when applying for benefits within the family community resource centers and for those who qualify; publishing monthly newsletters, coordinating respite and crisis care services, assisting kinship caregivers with job readiness, job search and job retention; and providing technical assistance to start up kinship support groups and it amends the Children and Family Service Act to provide the coordination with the grandparent child care program. And I ask for support and favorable support of this particular legislation."

"The Gentleman moves passage of House Bill 2365. No one seeking recognition, the question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All in favor vote 'yes'; opposed vote 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Representative Acevedo. Representative Washington, Lang, Hannig. Mr. Clerk, take the record. 113 voting 'yes', 0 09600031.doc 96  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009 voting 'no', 0 voting 'present'. The Bill is declared passed. Mr. Clerk, on page 44 of the Calendar appears House Bill 608. Representative Yarbrough. Out of the record. On page 46 appears House Bill 710. Representative Zalewski. Mr. Clerk, read Representative Zalewski's first Bill."

Speaker Mautino: "The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Zalewski."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. House Bill 710 is an initiative of the Illinois State Police. Prior… in recent history the Illinois State Police was charged with transporting prisoners to hospitals for medical research. Thankfully, they don't do this anymore. However, it's still located in the Civil Administrative Code. So, pursuant to an audit, the Auditor General asked that this language be removed from the Administrative Code. So, this language simply deletes, as part of the furlough language, that the Illinois State Police would have to transport prisoners for medical research. I'll be happy to take any questions."

Speaker Mautino: "On the Gentleman's first Bill, is there anyone seeking recognition? The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Lang."

"You know, Representative, I think this is your first Bill."

"It is. It is that…" 09600031.doc 97  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009

"And you weren't going to remind us because we were like tired or something? You were just going to let this go, weren't you?"

"No, Representative. The Speaker was kind enough to state that in his opening remarks, so I thought that…"

"Well, then, fine. Well, that's a good point, isn't it? So, you were a Legislator actually before this term began in January, weren't you?"

"And when did your first term start?"

"December 6, 2008."

"December 6, 2008."

"Yes."

"Well, did you have any… Never mind. So, in that first term… so, you're in your second term now and this is your first Bill."

"Yes, Representative."

"So, what the heck were you doing around here during your first term?"

"Attending to other… other business that came before the General Assembly."

"I see. So, you had no Bills?"

"No Bills."

"Did you get a chance to vote on anything interesting during that first Session, Sir?"

"One or two things, yes."

"Okay. I'm just wondering. All right. So, since no one was really paying attention to what the heck your Bill did, you want to tell us what it does?" 09600031.doc 98  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009

"Sure, Representative. Again, the Illinois State Police was audited by the Auditor General. It's language within the Civil Administrative Code."

"It did what?"

"It basically required the Illinois State Police to transfer prisoners for medical research. We don't do that anymore, thankfully. So, this simply deletes that language."

"So, you really haven't written a Bill at all. You've deleted an old… part of an old law."

"Yeah. Yes."

"Is that correct?"

"Yes, Representative."

"So, this still really isn't your first Bill. All it is is a piece of paper drawing a line through three lines of an old law. Is that correct?"

"It's… it's a statutory change which deletes some language."

"Now, was… is there a big hue and cry in your district for this kind of legislation, Sir?"

"I'd imagine that if my constituents were aware that this language were still on the books, they would… it would be their preference for it to be removed."

"Now, this is about furloughs. Is that correct?"

"Yes, yes."

"So, does this have anything to do with the four furlough days the Governor would like state employees to take?"

"No. No, Representative. This…"

"It’s not that kind of furlough?" 09600031.doc 99  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009

"Not that kind of furlough."

"But this does involve the State Police."

"It does, yes."

"So, this doesn't mean that the State Police are going to arrest all 20… sorry 60 thousand state employees for their four furlough days, does it?"

"No, Representative, it doesn't."

"No. I don't think I'm going to ask that question. So… so, Representative, who brought you this Bill?"

"The Illinois… the Illinois State Police asked me to present this Bill."

"Well, let me ask you a question as a new Member. Don't you think they should have gone to somebody with a little more experience to handle this tough Bill?"

"Perhaps… perhaps, they should have, but I… I gave it my best effort and hopefully, my coll… the Body will accept it."

"You know what I find interesting that you're handling this without a group of staff around you. Mr. Walker, you'll recall, needed a staff person and Representative Nekritz and all kinds of people. But you are able to describe the three scratch outs in your Bill without any help at all, aren't you?"

"Representative Walker did a really good job with it… with complicated TIF legislation."

"Well, yes, he did."

"I… I felt comfortable enough with this Bill that I felt I could go it on my own." 09600031.doc 100  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009

"Let me ask you one additional question. Mr. Speaker, I'm going to need just one more second here. Thank you. Just asking, is it tough to wait 'til the Zs…"

"It is."

"…to get a chance to do your Bill?"

"It' very tough."

"So, do you think we should start with the Zs going the other way."

"No."

"Are you prepared to do your second Bill?"

"No. I take the system as it is right now."

"Does your second Bill… do you have another Bill?"

"I do."

"Does it actually add anything to any statute that we have in the State of Illinois?"

"It does."

"All right. Well, I look forward to that. Thank you, Sir."

"Thank you, Representative."

Speaker Mautino: "Further questions? The Gentleman from DuPage, Representative Reboletti."

"Indicates he will."

"Yes."

"Representative Reboletti, I would… I would say that the Body… the Members have quite a bit of information and things they have to do, so this is one I felt I could go it on my… on my own and not have to burden any of my other cohorts."

"I did not."

"Not during the Roll… not for the floor vote. During the committee process, I did… I did speak to committee Members from Judiciary II."

"Judiciary II."

"I didn't, Representative."

"You did, yes."

"What I'm going to tell my constituents, Representative, is that I made State Government more 09600031.doc 102  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009 efficient by deleting statutes that were not necessarily operative anymore."

"I am, Representative."

"I am, Representative."

"That'd be great."

"Thanks for agreeing, Representative, thank you."

"Further questions? Representative Monique Davis, the Lady from Cook." Davis, M.: "How do you do, Representative Mike?"

"I'm doing good, Representative." Davis, M.: "Good."

"Thank you for asking." Davis, M.: "Where are these inmates going?"

"Well… Previously, the Illinois State Police would transfer them to hospitals for the purposes of medical experimentation. As I mentioned, they don't do that anymore. So, the inmates will remain in the Department of Corrections’ care." Davis, M.: "So, are they being researched on with their permission?" 09600031.doc 103  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009

"They were, I believe… Well, I don't… I can't speak to what was occurring except to say that they were being transported at the… to the hospital. I don't know whether they had the permission, not then and to have this done to them." Davis, M.: "I mean, so, did they agree to have research done on them? Have they signed legis… you know, papers to say I agree to have this test done on me?"

"Again, Representative, without speculating, I… I would imagine that being under the care of the Department of Corrections, they… they weren't necessarily volunteering for this duty, but I can't give you an answer for certain on that." Davis, M.: "Thank you very much, Representative.”

“Thank you.” Davis, M.: “And I wish you the best of luck on your legislation."

"Thank you very much."

"We have one Member seeking recognition. And at this time, I'd also like to remind the Members that the Agreed Bill List, which is out there, needs to be turned back in. Take a look through, evaluate the Bills on it and see if you would like to vote 'no' or 'present' on any of those Bills and then sign the front page and turn those back in. It's nice to see an Agreed Bill List after a number of years. So, please get those back in so we can get your votes recorded. For a final speaker on House Bill 710, Representative Eddy, the Gentleman from Crawford."

"Indicates he will."

"Yeah."

"Yes."

"Yes. I had previously submitted this Bill as one of the Bills I'd like to present to the Body and as such, it… I didn't include it among my requests for the Agreed Bill List."

"I… To be honest with you, Representative, I… I couldn't say for sure that this would be… the Bill of this nature would be agreed to by the Body."

"I couldn't speculate one way or the other…"

"…and I didn't want to take that chance."

"I have given you that opportunity. Right, Representative."

"They may. It very well may be."

"I may."

"I'm not. As Representative Jackson said, not to my knowledge."

"I am."

"Well, in my former… well, in my former life, I was an assistant state's attorney handling criminal issues. I've also practiced in the civil field as well. So, I am… I have practiced in a multitude of areas."

"That’s a good question."

"Yeah. I… I have engaged in the practice of law in other areas."

"I hear you."

"I hear you, Representative." 09600031.doc 106  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009

"Well, again, Representative, what occurred was the Illinois State Police, pursuant to the Civil Administrative Code, still had this duty even though they never exercised it. So, pursuant to an audit by the Auditor General, they were asked to remove this from the Administrative Code and they just wanted to be in compliance with the Auditor General's recommendation."

"Sure."

"I… I wouldn't, Representative, I wouldn't characterize… I wouldn't characterize it as bothering the 09600031.doc 107  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009 Body. Again, I'm trying to make the Civil Administrative Code more streamline and… and come into compliance with the Auditor General's recommendations."

"I… I wouldn't. I… respectfully, no, Representative, I think the Bill is solid as it is."

"Thank you."

"Thanks."

Speaker Mautino: "On House Bill 710, no one else seeking recognition, the question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All in favor vote 'aye'; opposed vote 'no'. The voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Representative Poe, Representative Wait, do you wish to be recorded on this Bill? Mr. Clerk, take the record. 113 voting 'yes', 0 voting 'no', 0 voting 'present'. This Bill is declared passed. Congratulations, Representative Zalewski, on your first Bill. Mr. Clerk, on page 54 of the Calendar appears House Bill 4039. Representative Stephens. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill." 09600031.doc 108  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009

Speaker Mautino: "The Gentleman from Bond, Representative Stephens."

Speaker Mautino: "On House Bill 4039, no one seeking recognition, the question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All in favor signify by voting 'yes'; opposed vote 'no'. The voting… Excuse me. On the Bill, the Gentleman from McClean, Representative Brady is seeking recognition."

"Indicates he will."

"Thank you. And further questions? The Lady from Cook, Representative Deborah Graham. Out of the 09600031.doc 110  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009 record. On… further questions? The Gentleman from DeKalb, Representative Pritchard."

"…cates he will."

Speaker Mautino: "On House Bill 4039, no one else seeking recognition, the question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All in favor vote 'yes'; opposed vote 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Representative Dunkin, Mathias, do you wish to be recorded? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Bill, 113 voting 'yes', 0 voting 'no', 0 voting 'present'. House Bill 4039 is declared passed. Mr. Clerk, on page 54 of the Calendar appears… excuse me… on page 43 of the Calendar appears House Bill 241. Representative Sommer. Read the Bill."

"The Gentleman from Tazewell, Representative Sommer."

"Thank you. House Bill 241. No one seeking recognition, the question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All in favor vote 'yes'; opposed vote 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Durkin, would you like to be recorded on this Bill? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On House Bill 241, 106 voted 'yes', 7 voting 'no', 0 voting 'present'. This Bill will be so… is recorded as passed. Mr. Clerk, is Mr… Mr. Clerk, on page 53 of the Calendar appears House Bill 3666. Representative Sullivan. Read the Bill."

"Representative Sullivan on House Bill 3666."

Speaker Mautino: "On House Bill 3666, no one is seeking recognition. All in favor… The question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All in favor vote 'yes'; opposed vote 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take 09600031.doc 113  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009 the record. On this Bill, 112 voting 'yes', 0 voting 'no', 0… 1 voting 'present'. This Bill is declared passed. Nekritz. Mr. Clerk, on page 43 of the Calendar appears House Bill 255. Representative Nekritz. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Representative Nekritz."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. House Bill 255 seeks to continue what has been the policy of the State of Illinois for the last 25 years that we impose an estate tax on the death of a surviving spouse where there is an existing trust. That… this sets that up. And we… this is only a problem for the year 2009 due to some discrepancies between Illinois law and Federal Law."

Speaker Mautino: "On House Bill 255, there is no… The Gentleman from Vermilion, Representative Black."

"She indicates she will."

"Representative, this is… this is only where there is a QTIP estate planning mechanism set up, which is a… I'm looking at… I'm trying to find it right now… it's like a qualified trust investment something. So, there…" 09600031.doc 114  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009

"That's…"

"…that …that, too, but it's also an estate planning tool."

"It is. Yeah, in addition to cleaning your ears, it will do estate taxes for you."

"It's… it's whatever assets are in the QTIP trust. It's whatever type of asset."

"Yes, but they have to die in 2009."

"To really take advantage of this, it would be best if they died in 2009."

"I think for the most part that's correct, yeah." 09600031.doc 115  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009

"I mean, if… if you… if you went in, talked to your lawyer, got your estate plan set up and you happened to die and you're the first spouse to die in 2009, this would… this would assist you."

"We did ask that question of the Attorney General's Office because it is… they do… I thought it would be the Department of Revenue, turns out it's the Attorney General's Office that handles the estate tax issues for the state… and they did not because we… because we have never had this problem before where we've… so, they don't have any statistics, any numbers on it."

"We couldn't even get an estimate as to how much the revenue impact would be. So…"

"Correct, correct."

"Yeah."

"Well, we… we… we tried to find that out and the Attorney General's Office, again, was not able to give us anything. I mean, it would just have been a complete guesstimate on their part…"

"…as to what the fiscal impact would be."

"But we think it's relatively small, again, because it's, you know, it's… you have… it's only… it's a one-year deal and it's only… it's only if the… when the first spouse dies."

"Thank you."

Speaker Mautino: "On House Bill 255, no one else seeking recognition, the question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All in favor vote 'yes'; opposed vote 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Bill, 112 voting 'yes', 1 voting 'no', 0 voting 'present'. This Bill is declared passed. Mr. Clerk, on page 49 of the Calendar appears House Bill 1137. Representative Watson. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

Speaker Mautino: "The Gentleman from Morgan, Representative Watson."

"On House Bill 1137, there is no one seeking… excuse me… The Gentleman from Lake, Representative Sullivan, for what reason do you seek recognition?" 09600031.doc 117  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009

"Indicates he will."

"No one else seeking recognition on House Bill 1137, the question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All in favor vote 'yes'; opposed vote 'no'. The voting is open. 09600031.doc 118  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009 Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Representative Berrios, Representative Hatcher, do you wish to be recorded? Mr. Clerk, take the record. House Bill 1137, having received 111 'yes', 0 'no', and 1 voting 'present', is declared passed. On page 50 of the Calendar appears House Bill 2328, Representative Winters. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"The Gentleman from Winnebago, Representative Winters."

Speaker Mautino: "On House Bill 2328, no one is seeking recognition, the question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All in favor vote 'yes'; opposed vote 'no'. And the voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Representatives Bellock, Pritchard, Tryon, do you wish to be recorded? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Bill, 112 voting 'yes', 0 voting 'no', 0 voting 'present'. House Bill 2328 is declared passed. The Gentleman from Lake, Representative Sullivan, is seeking recognition. For what reason do you rise, Sir?"

"State your point."

Speaker Mautino: "Thank you, Representative Sullivan. Mr. Clerk, what is the status of House Bill 35?"

"On Floor Amendment #1. Out of the record at the request of the Sponsor. Mr. Clerk, what is the status of House Bill 2277?"

"Any Motions or Amendments?"

"Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, what is the status of House Bill 2278?"

"Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, it's the intention of the Chair to return to the Order of Third Readings. On page 54 of the Calendar appears House Bill 4077. Representative Jakobsson. Out of the record. On page 50 of the Calendar appears House Bill 2343. Representative Mendoza. Out of the record. Mr. Clerk, re… Mr. Clerk, on page 42 of the Calendar appears House Bill 867. Read the Bill."

Speaker Mautino: "The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Osterman."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 867 changes the Criminal Code in two specific areas. First, in incidents where a student is shot on the school grounds, it would require… change the law to have that be a Class X felony with a mandatory 15 years. Additionally, what it would do is change the Criminal Code for a violation of unlawful use of a weapon to add public conveyance, as well as within a thousand feet of a public transportation facility for increase the penalties for violating the unlawful use of a weapon. All of us have seen this year the… as in past years, the incidents of shooting the school children in Chicago and throughout the state. Additionally, police have talked to us about the problem of transportation of weapons on public transportation. This Bill would increase penalties in both of those areas. And I would ask for your support of the Bill." 09600031.doc 121  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009

"The Gentleman has moved passage of House Bill 867. Seeking recognition is the Gentleman from DuPage, Representative Reboletti."

"He indicates he will."

"As a former prosecutor, Representative Reboletti, you'd probably know better than I, but my understanding was that a Class I, 4 to 15. We wanted to specify, as under the Class X provision, there are certain things like a school teacher. So, if a school teacher was shot, it would be a Class X felony mandatory 15 years. It would hold true, I would think, that a student would have the same thing. So, that's… that's the intention of this legislation."

"Thank you." 09600031.doc 122  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009

"No one else seeking recognition, the question is on House Bill 867, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All in favor vote 'yes'; opposed vote 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Does Representative Rita wish to be recorded on this Bill? There he goes. And on this Bill, Mr. Clerk, take the record. 111 have voted 'yes', 1 voted 'no', 0 voted 'present'. House Bill 867 is declared passed. Mr. Clerk, on page 54 of the Calendar appears House Bill 4077. Representative Jakobsson. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Mr. Clerk, would you return this Bill to Second Reading. Any Motions filed?"

Speaker Mautino: "On Floor Amendment #2, Representative Jakobsson."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Floor Amendment #2 codifies further what students need to have with them when they are going to vote, what kind of identification they need to bring with them, that they can bring a lease or a contract for a residence as part of their identification showing their current address."

"The Lady has… moves adoption of Amendment #2. All in favor signify by 'aye'; opposed same sign. The 'ayes' have it. And the Amendment is adopted. Mr. Clerk, any further Motions or Amendments?" 09600031.doc 123  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009

"Third Reading. Read the Bill for a third time."

"Representative Jakobsson."

"Thank you. This Bill allows and ensures that college students are permitted to register and vote using their college residence. There's a concern that sometimes election authorities don't permit college students to register or vote citing that the student's not a permanent resident of the jurisdiction. And the Illinois Constitution and Election Code permit a person to register in a jurisdiction if that person resides at their stated residence for 30 days and students do qualify there."

"The Lady moved pa… moves passage of House Bill 4077. On that question, the Gentleman from Vermilion, Representative Black."

"She indicates she will."

"Yes."

"Right. If they've registered by mail or voter ID… voter… Motor Voter."

"They should have a registration card from the county clerk, but I believe it's… when there's a first-time voter is when they're challenged to show…"

"…their identification."

"They're often challenged if they just show their college ID…"

"…because that doesn't have an address on it."

"They may show a copy of their lease. This codifies that they may do that."

"A photo ID issued by a college or university accompanied by either a copy of the applicant's contract or a lease for a residence or a piece of mail delivered to the applicant…"

"…at his or her residence."

"Exactly."

"Thank you."

Speaker Mautino: "The Gentleman from Iroquois County, Representative Cultra, is seeking recognition. For what reason do you rise?"

"Indicates she will."

"It's not an initiative of the county clerk, but the county clerk was in committee when this Bill came up and he is in favor of this Bill."

"Mark Shelden is in favor of it. He was at committee and we had a phone conversation before this and told me he was very glad that I was doing this Bill." 09600031.doc 126  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009

"No one else seeking recognition, the question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All in favor vote 'yes'; opposed vote 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Would Representative May like to be recorded on this Bill? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Bill, 112 voting 'yes', 0 voting 'no', 0 voting 'present'. House Bill 4077 is declared passed. Mr. Clerk, on page 48 of the Calendar appears House Bill 934. Please read the Bill."

"Representative Boland on House Bill 934."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think we've reached an understanding with Representative Reboletti and so, we're ready to go. I would ask the Bill be called."

"The Gentleman moves passage of House Bill 934. No one seeking recognition, the question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All in favor vote 'yes'; opposed vote 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Does Representative Jakobsson wish to be recorded? Mr. Clerk, take the record. House Bill 934, having received 109 'yes', 3 voting 'no', 0 voting 'present', is declared passed. The Gentleman from Vermilion is seeking recognition. Representative Black."

"Proceed." 09600031.doc 127  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009

"Actually, no. I always keep your switch and your light in plain sight."

"Well, I will be assured that whenever your light switch comes on I will call on you directly, Sir. Mr. Clerk, on page 2 of the Calendar appears House Bill 45. What is the status of that Bill?"

"Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, on the Calendar, page 28, what is the status of House Bill 2664?"

"On Floor Amendment #2, the Lady from Cook, Representative Nekritz."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Floor Amendment 2 simply takes out the no sweeps language on some funds that we're establishing."

"The Lady moves passage of Amendment 2, no one seeking recognition, all in favor signify by 'aye'; opposed same sign. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Mr. Clerk, place that Bill… Are there any further Amendments?"

"Place that Bill on Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, what's the status of House Bill 574?"

Speaker Mautino: "The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Turner, on Floor Amendment #3."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and Ladies and Gentlemen. Hold on just… I'm trying to get my screen enlarged. House Amendment #… House #… Amendment #3 allows the ISAC to, subject to appropriation, to deduct 10 percent of the total amount that law students would owe on their initial loan to be… to be reduced on an annual basis if they, in fact, would work in underserved areas in terms of trying to deal with the issue of providing legal services in communities 09600031.doc 129  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009 that don't have it. And I move for the adoption of Amendment #3."

"On Floor Amendment #3, the Gentleman from Vermilion, Representative Black is seeking recognition."

"He indicates he will."

"No. The… the grant is to repay the loan."

"There's an outstanding loan…"

"…that these students have already."

"And then if they work in an under… in a certain area, then 10 percent of their loan could be written down on an annual basis." 09600031.doc 130  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009

"No."

"No."

"No."

"Here… That's right. It's just a credit towards an outstanding loan that they have."

"Okay."

Speaker Mautino: "No one seeking further recognition, the Gentleman moves adoption of Floor Amendment 3. All in favor signify by 'aye'; opposed same sign. The 'ayes' have it. Floor Amendment 3 is adopted. Mr. Clerk."

"Third Reading. Returning to Third Readings, on page 52 of the Calendar appears House Bill 2660. Representative Bassi. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"The Lady from Cook, Representative Bassi."

"Mr. Clerk, place this Bill on Second Reading. What's the status of the Bill?" 09600031.doc 131  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009

"Representative Bassi on Floor Amendment #1."

"The Lady moves adoption of Floor Amendment 1. All in favor vote 'aye'… excuse me… all in favor say 'aye'; opposed say 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Mr. Clerk, further Amendments?"

"Would you return this Bill to Third Reading and read the Bill a third time."

"Representative Bassi."

"The Lady moves passage of House Bill 2660. No Members seeking recognition, the question is, 'Shall 09600031.doc 132  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009 this Bill pass?' All in favor vote 'yes'; opposed vote 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Does Representative Davis wish to be recorded on this Bill? Mr. Clerk, take the record. 112 voting 'yes', 1 voting 'no', 0 voting 'present'. House Bill 2660 is declared passed. Mr. Clerk, on page 50 of the Calendar appears House Bill 2343. Representative Mendoza. Read the Bill."

"Representative Mendoza."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 2343 was originally the… the deal… I mean, the Bill dealing with the specialty care reimbursement rates for pediatric specialty care physicians. The Bill is now a shell Bill. I would like to send it on over to the Senate, continue to work out some negotiated language at which point we'd bring it back here, take it to committee and bring it before this chamber for a vote. So, I'd appreciate your support in moving it out as a shell Bill today."

"The Lady has moved passage of House Bill 2343. On that, the Gentleman from Vermilion, Representative Black."

"She indicates she will."

"That is my intention, yes."

"Right. We're hoping that we can come to a good agreement…"

"…but at that point we'd put it up for a vote."

"Thank you."

"No one else seeking recognition, the Lady moves passage of House Bill 2343. And the question is, '… all in favor vote 'yes'; opposed vote 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Representative Colvin and Flider, do you wish to be recorded on this Bill? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. House Bill 2343, having received 68 'yes', 44 'no', 0 'present', this Bill is declared passed. Mr. Clerk, on page 47 of the Calendar appears House Bill 845. Representative Acevedo. Out of the record. On page 48 of the Calendar appears House Bill 952. Representative Beiser. Read the Bill."

"Representative Beiser."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 952 amends the Prevailing Wage Act and 09600031.doc 134  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009 it in… to include demolition work. Previously, demolition was included in the prevailing wage if there was subsequent construction. This removes that requirement."

"The Gentleman has moved passage of House Bill 952. And on that, the Gentleman from Crawford, Representative Eddy."

"He indicates he will."

"Representative Eddy, I would, but to be quite frank, neither one… none of the people that are in opposition have contacted me and discussed this with me."

"I would… you know, I could certainly understand that rationale, but again, not having spoke to them, I really couldn't say if that is or isn't. But I would respect that that possibly is."

"No, I haven't. And I will say that I've spoke to my local community, one of the communities that I live in and represent, and they had no problem with this. They did not cite any cost by removing that subsequent construction clause."

"That's correct."

"Yes, primarily, yes."

"No, I do not have that information. I'm sorry."

"Certainly, yeah." 09600031.doc 136  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009

"That's correct."

"On House Bill 952, no other Members seeking recognition, the question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All in favor vote 'yes'; opposed vote 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Representative Beaubien and Cole, 09600031.doc 137  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009 do you wish to be reported on… recorded on this Bill? Mr. Clerk, take the record. 86 voting 'yes', 27 voting 'no', 0 voting 'present', this Bill is declared passed. Mr. Clerk, on the Calendar appears, on page 48, appears House Bill 991. Representative Berrios. Out of the record. On page 50 of the Calendar appears House Bill 1332. Representative Boland. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Representative Boland."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. House Bill 1332 passed unanimously out of committee. We passed it last year in the House, went over to the Senate, got mixed up there. And basically, what it does is says that any public building that displays the United States Flag has to have flags made in the United States, copied after similar legislation in Wisconsin. And brought to me by the… incidentally, by the retail merchants."

Speaker Mautino: "The question is, 'Shall House Bill 1332 pass?' No one seeking recognition on this. All in favor vote 'yes'; opposed vote 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Does Representative Dunkin wish to be recorded? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Bill, 113 voting 'yes', 0 voting 'no', 0 voting 'present'. House Bill 1332 is declared passed. The Gentleman from DuPage, Representative Reboletti is seeking recognition. For what reason do you rise, Sir?" 09600031.doc 138  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009

"State your point."

"Welcome to Springfield. Mr. Clerk, on page 55 of the Calendar appears House Bill 4151. Representative Biggins. Read the Bill."

Speaker Mautino: "The Gentleman from DuPage, Representative Biggins."

"The Gentleman requests passage of House Bill 4151. On that question, no Members seeking recognition. All Members wishing to vote 'yes', vote 'yes'; opposed vote 'no'. And the voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk… Mr. Clerk, take the record. House Bill 4151, having received 85 voting 'yes', 28 voting 'no', 0 voting 09600031.doc 139  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009 'present', is declared passed. Mr. Clerk, what is the status of House Bill 27… 277?"

Speaker Mautino: "Leave this Bill on Second Reading. Mr. Clerk, on page 21 of the Calendar appears House Bill 2330. What's the status of this Bill?"

"Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, on page 55 of the Calendar appears House Bill 4199. Representative Bost. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"The Gentleman from Jackson, Representative Bost."

Speaker Mautino: "The Gentleman from Bond, Representative Stephens is seeking recognition. Out of the record. No one else seeking recognition, the question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All in favor vote 'yes'; opposed vote 'no'. 09600031.doc 140  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009 The voting is now open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. House Bill 4199, having received 113 voting 'yes', 0 voting 'no', 0 voting 'present', is declared passed. Mr. Clerk, on page 44 of the Calendar appears House Bill 382. Representative Brosnahan. Out of the record. On page 48 of the Calendar appears House Bill 923. Representative Burke. Out of the record. Page 45 of the Calendar appears House Bill 667. Representative Chapa LaVia. Read the Bill."

"Representative Chapa LaVia."

"Thank you, Speaker and Members of the House. What this simple Bill does is it takes a fire protection district and changes it from three board members to a five- board member to expand the fire protection district, must pass an ordinance to do so. And the two additional trustees shall be elected at the next consolidated election for trustees provided in the General Election Law. This was brought to me by the Illinois Association of Fire Protection Districts, the smaller districts, Illinois Firefighters Association, the Illinois Chief… Fire Chiefs. And I'll take any questions."

"The Lady moves passage on House Bill 667. And on that question, the Gentleman from Vermilion, Representative Black."

"She indicates she will." 09600031.doc 141  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009

"Hold on one second. I'm checking, Representative Black."

"Correct, Sir."

"I'm pretty sure it does. I don't have my notes on the Bill. I didn't know it was coming up so quickly."

"And I asked Mr. Vaughn to get me something…"

"…but I'm assuming it'll be on the referendum 'cause they'd have to cast a vote in order…"

"…for this to be enacted with the money."

"Correct, correct."

"Yes."

Chapa LaVia: "It is my recollection that we passed this Amendment. An ordinance still has to be attached by the governing municipality before it can be enacted, but what… because they're not home run… they not home run rule (sic- Home Rule run) that they need us to pass this legislation before they can even have it adopted for ordinance."

"I sure will."

"I'll be glad to take this off…"

"…record for the moment. Thank you."

"Mr. Clerk, at the request of the Sponsor, please take this Bill out of the record. Mr. Clerk, what is the status of House Bill 2688?"

Speaker Mautino: "The Gentleman from Peoria, Representative Leitch. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Mr. Leitch."

"The Gentleman moves passage of House Bill 2688. No Members seeking recognition, the question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All in favor vote 'yes'; opposed vote 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Does Representative Colvin wish to be recorded? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Bill, 113 voting 'yes', 0 voting 'no', 0 voting 'present', the Bill is declared passed. Mr. Clerk, on page 48 of the Calendar appears House Bill 923. Read the Bill."

Speaker Mautino: "The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Burke."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 923 would amend the Downstate Firefighter Article of the Illinois Pension Code with respects to the term 'act of duty'. There was a… a matter in Aurora just recently where a firefighter was injured in the firehouse. The Circuit Court ruled in his favor and the Appellate Court ruled contrary and the man was denied a duty-related disability. This legislation would provide 09600031.doc 144  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009 that any professional firefighter in our state that was injured in a firehouse related to the duties necessary to operate that firehouse would be included in a duty-related disability and that would afford a better percentage, certainly, of the salary. I believe that this is a very fair and equitable proposal. Those who are engaged in professional firefighting are those who have to maintain firehouses, have to maintain equipment and I think this is a very fair and equitable way to treat them if they suffer a career-ending disability or injury. This would also include EMTs and paramedics in our state. And I think on behalf of 14 thousand firefighters in the State of Illinois, we should give this its necessary attention. I'd be happy to answer any questions."

"The Bill is on Short Debate. The Gentleman from Lake, Representative Beaubien is seeking recognition."

"He indicates he will."

"Representative, COGFA, I guess, cannot determine the cost on this. This is, as you might imagine, a very rare occurrence. This is a career-ending injury, so for some reason they cannot determine cost."

"Yes."

Speaker Mautino: "Further questions? The Lady from Cook, Representative Nekritz."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"He indicates he will."

"So, it… what… what would be the activities that would now be considered part of the act of duty under this…"

"We are not suggesting that these are new activities, but as you might imagine, those who are engaged in the profession of firefighting have to maintain properties, equipment, in fact, very often have to do maintenance on the actual firehouse… firehouse. So, as one might imagine in this society, accidents can occur in relation to these duties and if they, in fact, occur in the firehouse related to their assigned duties, they would then be eligible for duty disability. Now, we are not talking…"

"And yet, does the legislation simply limit it to in the firehouse?"

"We are… it excludes emergencies. They are already included for emergencies and the advantage of being injured in an emergency situation would be that they would also be afforded health insurance. If in this duty disability, they are not afforded lifetime health insurance. The cost is…"

"I'm… I'm sorry, Representative. I… I'm… I thought that once the… once the sirens went off and the lights went on, that that was what… was considered… was con… sort of, you know, sort of where we're…"

"Yes." 09600031.doc 146  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009

"…having the dispute, but that was in the act of duty."

"That's an emergency."

"This would say that it's not just limited to the firehouse. It's anything that their supervisor asks them to do. So, if they go to the grocery store to buy dinner that night, that's considered part of the act of duty."

"If they are assigned by their superior."

"And how does that… how would that fit with our workers' compensation laws? I mean, how would… what… how… you know, what… was it… was workers' compensation ever designed to cover someone while they were a firefighter or a policeman ever?"

"We're talking about sworn personnel, so the offsets would be identical."

"I apologize. I don't know what you mean by that."

"The same compensation, if that's your question."

"So, that… so, that they would get workers' compensation or they would not?"

"Well, they're…"

"Or they… there would be a…"

"Yes…"

"…deduction for that."

"…they would."

"But with… isn't… isn't the benefits that you're describing under here aren't those… aren't those significantly enhanced from what someone would get under workers' compensation?" 09600031.doc 147  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009

"There's a difference between the retirement benefit and the workers' comp benefit and they'll receive the difference."

"So… so, here's what… I mean, if we… I… in… I've received a lot of communication from the municipalities that I represent about this and they're very concerned that this will significantly increase the costs of providing these benefits at a time when their… their budgets are already being hammered by a lot of the benefits that we've… that we've given and not provided funding for. And the concern is that someone else working in a firehouse or going to the grocery store or doing those kinds of job duties would be covered by workers' compensation, whereas this would give the firefighters a significantly enhanced benefit for a similar injury on… at a… at a… performing a similar task. And I think that's the… the tension that I'm not… and I don't feel prepared… I'm not… don't have enough information to say where the line should be between what is an enhanced responsibility because they're firefighters and what's a pretty typical duty that would… that should be or could be covered by workers' compensation."

"Along the line of your inquiry, it was suggested by the witness for the Illinois Municipal League that there should be no difference made between a professional firefighter and a janitor. I'm offended by that reference. I'm offended by that analogy. A janitor does not risk his life and safety every day going into these burning buildings nor does he have to endure the same training." 09600031.doc 148  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009

"I understand that, Representative, which is why we have this enhanced act of duty for the times that they're at risk, but if they're performing a different kind of task that is not… that… where they're not in significantly increased risk, I guess the public policy question then is should we give them an enhanced benefit for performing what is not a risky activity."

"I think an important feature to keep in mind in this would be the fact that we're talking about a career-ending injury here. That is a major consideration. We're not talking about some other…"

"Right. And I appreciate that and I… but… but I think that those that suffer those… I mean, it's a… it's a fairly rare occurrence, I would believe…"

"Very rare."

"I mean, would be a rare occurrence where some… where, you know, a worker receiving… who's only entitled to workers' compensation would have also a career-ending injury for the most part it's, you know, something pretty minor and you come… you go… you rehab and you come back to work so."

"Right."

"But I think that's the policy question is, you know, when… when it's not a… when the firefighter's not engaged in a risk, the kind of activity that you… I would agree when they're putting their life on the line and at great risk of bodily injury that that's… that that's a time when we… when they're… they're… at significantly an increased risk and we should provide a benefit for that. I just am 09600031.doc 149  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009 not sure on the other types of activities, but I appreciate your… the information. Thank you."

Speaker Mautino: "Further questions? The Gentleman from Jackson, Representative Bost."

"Indicates he will."

"Thank you, Representative Bost. The answer to that question is 'no'. Under the Public Safety Employees Benefits Act the catastrophic health insurance is only offered to employees who suffer a career-ending injury on an emergency call which this Bill clearly does not cover."

"As I made reference to in my opening remarks, because of this unique Appellate Court case of an Aurora firefighter Wozniak v. Aurora Firefirefighters Pension Fund, the Appellate Court reversed a Kane County Circuit Court decision taking away this firefighter's line of duty disability and instead awarded him a nonline of duty disability. This was clearly wrong despite the fact that this firefighter was on top of the hose bed, climbed down the side and was in the process… in the process hit his 09600031.doc 150  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009 knee on the fire engine and after surgery and extensive medical treatment Wozniak could not return to work as a firefighter. This Bill will not change the wrong done to this firefighter; there's no retro activity with regard to this legislation, but this, indeed, will prevent it from occurring to someone else in the future."

"To the Bill."

Speaker Mautino: "Further discussion? The Gentleman from McHenry, Representative Franks."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"He indicates he will."

"Representative, I know what you're trying to do and I admire it. I did speak with the firefighters about this Bill and following up on what Representative Nekritz said, I'm not sure it's drafted how you'd intended. And it may need… and I guess I want to know if… if we can find some ways to tighten it up in the Senate, whether you'd be willing to do that because… And I'll stop on that and then I'll follow up with my example."

"Certainly, Representative. I'm always inclined to firm up or correct or improve language and I'd be delighted to do that at the Senate level."

"I appreciate that because I think what we're worried about is the expansion here and certainly, we know the firefighters put their life on the line every day. But I'm going to follow up on the example that Representative Nekritz gave and I don't think this is what your Bill… what you really want it to do. In the case of there having to be some clean up done and there's a janitor and there's also a firefighter right next to each other. And assume for the sake of argument, the firefighter while mopping up the lunchroom slips and falls and tears his meniscus and tears his ACL and also crushes vertebrae at L2 and L3. He 09600031.doc 152  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009 would be disabled for sure. Okay. And he… and under the workers' comp Code, I'm sure he'd be disabled and he wouldn't be able to continue to be a firefighter. But he wasn't in any higher heightened situation or danger than that same person who would have been hired possibly for cleaning, yet, the only difference is based on classification that individual would have a 30 percent increase in pension. Okay. If that's the intent of your Bill and that's how you want to keep it, I understand, but I think you might want to expand it but not have it so expansive and I'd like to expand it, obviously, but I'm not sure that we want to have something at that situation to occur."

"I believe you're correct in suggesting that I would interpret firefighters in a different category, certainly. These are trained individuals; these are individuals who are on 24-hour call. There is no question that they are the first responders in incidents that affect our daily lives and property safety. I absolutely hold those people up in a more important fashion than I would a janitor…"

"I'm not questioning that."

"…and if the injury would occur in a firehouse, they may very well not be engaged in an emergency situation, but as a… as a part of their duty they are required to maintain that firehouse and all the equipment they use to protect our property and lives. So, I indeed, think they should be looked at in a different (Inaudible)."

"Well, under the workers' compensation Code, when there's an injury and it's a no-fault statute, as you know. 09600031.doc 153  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009 It's based on the loss of, you know, a limb or quality of life, but it's done on a percentage and it's based on salary. Okay? So, the more you make, the more you get back and that's how it is now and that's how it would still be because I presume that the firefighter would be getting a much higher salary than the person who would be cleaning up. But I think when you open it up where just because someone has a title of a certain job, I mean, even in… Here's… here's my point. To collect under workers' comp you actually have to be part of doing the job. For instance, if you're commuting from your work to… from your home to your work and you've not yet arrived at work and you didn't stop to pick up the mail or do anything there, you cannot collect because you were not at work. Now, I understand firefighters, 24/7, always on call, they have that privilege."

"The time has expired. Can the Gentleman bring his remarks to the close? I'll grant another minute."

"Thank you. I just think there has to be some heightened danger for them to get such a premium on their return. And perhaps we could expand that definition to accomplish what we all wish to accomplish."

"Further questions? The Gentleman from Kane, Representative Schmitz is seeking recognition."

"He indicates he will."

"This legislation is on Short Debate. Two have spoken in response, two have spoken in support. The Lady from Cook, Representative Bassi is seeking recognition."

"He indicates he will."

"Yes, absolutely."

"That is correct."

"That would be included as well."

"To the Bill."

Speaker Mautino: "Thank you. The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Burke to close."

"Thank you, again, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. How soon, for those of you who would get up and talk about these minor, minor increases. Ladies and Gentlemen, we're talking about professional firefighters that we depend on daily to save our lives, save our property, who are on 24-hour call. How soon we forget about 9/11. These are the same people that we applauded when they returned from service. How could we not afford them this decent, legitimate and reasonable inclusion? We're talking about individuals who might suffer an injury, whether they be sweeping the floor, whether they be washing a window, changing a tire on a fire truck or any other duty that a fireman in regular line of service has to do. For you to deny them this line of duty accommodation is obscene. They deserve it. I would insist to you let's not forget what these professional firefighters do for us every single day of the year. I think it's your responsibility, your duty to include them in this provision. Thank you very much."

"The Gentleman moves passage of House Bill 923. All in favor vote 'yes'; opposed vote 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Representatives Holbrook and Sommer, do you wish to be recorded on this 09600031.doc 157  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009 legislation? Mr. Clerk, take the record. 98 voting 'yes', 15 voting 'no' and 0 voting 'present', House Bill 923 is declared passed. On page 45 of the Calendar appears House Bill 667, which has been previously debated. The Lady has asked that it be brought back to the record. Mr. Clerk, call the Bill."

Speaker Mautino: "The Lady from Kane, Representative Chapa LaVia."

"Thank you, Speaker, Members of the House. I think that we answered the question that Representative Black had drawn earlier. All this legislation strictly does is takes it so the fire protection districts can expand from three to four… I mean, three to five board members. This has nothing to do with their pay. This just allows them. It doesn't make them do it in the smaller districts, but it allows them the latitude to increase their board. And I'll take any questions."

"The Lady has moved passage of House Bill 667. On that, the Gentleman from Vermilion, Representative Black."

Speaker Mautino: "Thank you. Further discussion? Representative Moffitt, the Gentleman from Knox."

"No one else seeking recognition, the Lady now moves House Bill 667 pass. And on that, all in favor vote 'yes'; opposed vote 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Bill, 94 voting 'yes', 19 voting 'no', 0 voting 'present'. House 09600031.doc 159  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009 Bill 667 is declared passed. On page 44 of the Calendar appears House Bill 472. Representative Lyons. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

Speaker Mautino: "The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Lyons."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 472 amends the Water Reclamation District Act to clarify the definition of 'allowable costs' to be charged in its reserve claim fund in instances related to the repair or replacement of district property that is damaged by fire, flood, explosion, vandalism or any other type of peril like that. Last summer, at the Racine Avenue Pumping Station, they had some major flooding problems there and the question came, well, should we use money that's in the reserve fund that can be used for, you know, some things but not others? This clarifies that in this case that they wanted… they had to get 24-hour security on the situation and some outside engineers that this would provide the language clarification would allow them to tap into their emergency fund. I know of no opposition. It's a clarification point. I'd be happy to answer any questions and be happy to get as many 'yes' votes as possible."

"The Gentleman moves passage of House Bill 472. And on that, the Gentleman from Vermilion, Representative Black is seeking recognition."

"He indicates he will."

"Representative, it's just… it's just language clarification to the best of my understanding on this. Let me… let me… With all the noise in here, it's awfully hard to hear you…"

"…Mr. Black."

"Bill, hold on. Let me put my cheater on here…"

"…and then I can hear what you're saying."

"I'd ask them to bring the noise…"

"It's tough to get old, boys and girls."

Speaker Mautino: "…noise level of the House down, so the Gentlemen may discuss this Bill."

"Go ahead, Bill…"

"…I've got the…"

"No."

"No." 09600031.doc 161  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009

"No. I don't… I don't think so, Representative. I think there is a limitation on that. I think there is a dollar limitation on that existing in the statute. I believe it's $10 thousand, but I'm not… I can't give you that as a definitive."

"It's done… Yes…"

"…it's defined to be for…"

"…emergency situations, correct."

"Correct."

"Whatever's in the existing le…"

"…Act, in existing legislation, yeah."

"They would be… they'd have to have a what is generally by definition here an emergency situation from flood or from electrical…"

"…storm…"

"…or wind damage or something. So, there is definition of what quantifies…"

"…qualifies as an emergency."

"Well, the Water Reclamation District has their own definition in statute of what is considered an emergency."

"That's what this specifies for."

"That's…"

"The Gentleman has moved passage of House Bill 472. No other Members seeking recognition, the question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All in favor vote 'yes'; opposed vote 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Does Representative Schmitz… Mr. Clerk, take the record. House Bill 472, having received 100 'yes', 13 'no', 0 voting 'present', is declared passed. Mr. Clerk, on page 2 of the Calendar appears House Bill 44. And what's the status of this Bill?"

"Representative Arroy… Arroyo, do you wish to move this Bill? Out of the record. On page 35 of the Calendar appears House Bill 3878. Mr. Clerk, what's the status of this Bill?" 09600031.doc 164  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009

"The Gentleman wishes the Bill to… move this Bill to Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, on page 22 of the Calendar appears House Bill 2383. What's the status of this Bill?"

"Representative Burns on Floor Amendment #1."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This Amendment was agreed to with the Illinois Department of Human Services. It makes a couple of changes to the Bill to make the Bill a better Bill. And I’d like to adopt the Amendment."

"The Gentleman has moved adoption of Floor Amendment #1. No Members seeking recognition. All in favor signify by 'aye'; opposed same… 'no'. The Amendment… in the view of the Chair, the Amendment is adopted. Mr. Clerk, any further Amendments?"

"Third Reading. On page 44 of the Calendar appears House Bill 396. Representative Brady. Call the Bill."

Speaker Mautino: "The Gentleman from McLean, Representative Brady."

"The Gentleman moves passage of House Bill 396. No one seeking recognition, the question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All in favor vote 'yes'; opposed 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Beiser. Mr. Dunkin. Mr. Clerk, take the record. House Bill 396, having received 113 voting 'yes', 0 voting 'no', 0 voting 'present', is declared passed. Mr. Clerk, on page 52 of the Calendar appears House Bill 2627. Representative Collins. Out of the record. On page 42 of the Cal… on the Calendar appears House Bill 69. Representative Colvin. Read the Bill."

"Representative Colvin." 09600031.doc 166  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009

"Thank you, Mr… thank you, Mr. Speaker. House Bill 69, for your consideration this afternoon, deals with the very serious problem of dog fighting in the State of Illinois. House Bill 69 amends the Humane Care Act… the Humane Care for Animals Act and the Criminal Code. And the Bill simply increases the penalty for various violations of the Act dealing… turning them all from misdemeanors to Class IV felonies and subsequent violations to Class III felonies for individuals who take part in any facet of dog fighting in the State of Illinois. The residual issue of this Bill is not only just the increasing of penalties, but to serve as a disincentive to those individuals who attend dog fights. As most of us know, dog fighting, the main purpose for its existence, is the vast amount of illegal betting that takes place at these dog fights. If we can somehow deal with the incentive of people attending dog fights, we can also deal with the issue of people being severely cruel to animals which is the second issue we're really dealing with here in the issue of dog fighting. I think we had some pretty good debate in committee. I believe the Bill passed unanimously. There were some concerns of whether or not we were creating a greater penalty for those individuals who participate in dog fights in terms of the handlers, but in the most recent raid in Cook County, where over 54 people were arrested for attending a dog fight, it's almost impossible to determine when the police break the door down and it’s a crime you have to catch people in the act and committing, it was impossible to determine who was a dog fighter and who was a spectator. The net effect 09600031.doc 167  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009 of this legislation is to put a dent in this grossly inhumane act. I'd be happy to answer any questions."

"The Gentleman moves passage of House Bill 69. And on that question, the Gentleman from Vermilion, Representative Black."

"He indicates he will."

"Representative, to my knowledge, the only existing penalties are classified as misdemeanors."

"Mr. Clerk."

"It was adopted in committee."

"The question of the Clerk."

"Yes, Sir."

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"Well…"

"Well, Representative, and I think, you know, after consulting with the sheriff of Cook County and others, that was precisely the problem they're dealing with. Again, this is a criminal act that individuals are caught in the act of doing. I mean, there are dogs in the pit fighting when they break down the doors of these highly secretive illegal activities. As such, when the police enter these facilities, keep in mind these dogs aren’t registered with the local kennel club. There is no ownership papers. There's no way to identify a owner from a handler to a spectator. The purpose of the Amendment is to deal with those individuals who knowingly attend and are betting at these dog fights. It… So, that was really the purpose of the Amendment. And once again, the individuals who attend just to bet are perpetuating a very violent, very inhumane act against innocent animals and in that distinction… and in that situation, it's hard to understand where the distinction lies."

"That's correct."

"You're welcome."

"Further questions? The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Durkin."

"He indicates he will."

"I'm sorry, Representative. Can you repeat the question?"

"Well, what we found out in the investigations that the Cook County sheriff and others have implemented, is that sometimes there is an entry fee, which… not like you're going to get a receipt when you attend… but it's just the standard, yeah, that speaks to the issue of 'knowing'… 'knowingly' attending a dog fight. It's something we debated in committee. We thought it was the standard for prosecutors to reach to be able to charge someone with something as serious as a Class IV felony."

"But what the investigations typically yield is that these are very highly secretive events. You and I, it's very unlikely we would ever get invited to a dog fight. In fact, in first… in most investigations what they yield is that this is a very highly organized ring of individuals who participate in these activities. The likelihood that flyers are being printed and handed out are zero and none. Guards are at the door… When they raided the… and you may have seen in the newspapers in December the Cook County sheriff raided and arrested 54 people for dog fighting."

"Well, I…"

"Representative Durkin, I guess part of it I don't understand the question and maybe that's just my fault, but whether or not they're a felon, I don't see where that distinction is one issue. Number two, I also think that the last thing you'll see is these fights out in the open in some, you know, play lot where people can have open and unfettered access. The typical MO for the dog fighting are highly secretive locations that are given out to known participants and gamblers just hours before the events. And the only way the police ever find out about them is through informants and confidential informants and those types of things. They work very hard; there are typically armed guards or guards at the door to allow them and alert them to strangers who are attempting to gain access. So, this isn't…" 09600031.doc 172  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009

"I think that's…"

"Representative Durkin, I think those are excellent suggestions and if we can… any suggestions to further tighten the Amendment, the Amendment itself was a suggestion of a committee member who… why we did the 'knowingly' part. So, I… I appreciate your line of interest."

Speaker Mautino: "Further questions? The Gentleman from DuPage, Representative Reboletti."

"He indicates he will."

"Representative, I would be open to an Amendment in the Senate if they felt that burden of proof could be raised by a decent Amendment. I do beg to differ when the distinction between the two based on the intelligence substance that county sheriffs have gathered in regards to what this crime is and what it does. I think this Bill does a pretty good job of trying to create an overwhelming incentive. I think the argument of handlers versus betters is one that me, personally, don't put a lot of weight on. In regards to the fact that, what's really at stake here are a lot of innocent animals being trained to become 09600031.doc 174  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009 killers and in the sense that the major incentive to train them to become killers are the individuals who show up and bet on these dogs. So, there's incentive from both groups. To create a distinction between the two, when they both fuel the problem, to me doesn't connect."

"Just so I know what I'm agreeing to, just repeat that. I couldn't hear you."

"Mr. Speaker, it's a little loud."

"Can we have some order for the Gentlemen."

"Thank…"

"Okay. Is there… Further questions? Okay. Seeing no other Members seeking recognition, the Gentleman has moved passage of House Bill 69. Mr. Colvin to close."

"I just want to be certain before we close. Mr. Reboletti… Representative, was there another question that we did not answer or… I couldn't hear him, so I wasn't sure if he was asking a question or making a statement."

"Turn Mr. Reboletti's mic on."

"Yes."

Speaker Mautino: "The Gentleman from Bond, Representative Stephens is seeking recognition."

"And we'll take that under advisement. Thank you, Sir. Further questions? No one else seeking recognition, the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Colvin to close."

"I simply would appreciate an 'aye' vote. I think anything we can do to stop this horrible practice is a good step forward. This Bill, like most criminal procedure Bills, is probably not the end all to be all, but I think 09600031.doc 176  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009 it's a real good first step and I'd appreciate an 'aye' vote. Thank you."

"On House Bill 69, all in favor vote 'yes'; opposed vote 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. House Bill 69, having received 113 'yes', 0 voting 'no', 0 voting 'present', is declared passed. Mr. Clerk."

"Thank you, Mr. Clerk. On page 50 of the Calendar, returning to Third Readings, appears House Bill 2239. Majority Leader Currie. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Majority Leader Currie."

"Thank you, Speaker, Members of the House. This is a shell Bill for purposes of substantive language for budget 09600031.doc 177  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009 implementation purposes. Remember, you'll have a second shot at this Bill whenever it has any substance in it. I'd appreciate your 'aye' vote, so we can begin further discussions about the budget for fiscal 2… 2010."

"The Lady has moved passage of House Bill 2239. Is there anyone seeking recognition? Seeing none, all in favor will vote 'yes'; opposed vote 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. This Bill, having received 66 voting 'yes', 45 voting 'no', 0 voting 'present', is declared passed. Mr. Clerk, read House Bill 2240, appearing on Calendar page 50. Majority Leader Currie."

"Representative Currie."

"Thank you, Speaker, and Members of the House. This, too, is a shell Bill for purposes of budget implementation language. I'd appreciate your 'aye' votes."

"The Lady has moved passage of House Bill 2240. No one seeking recognition, the question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All in favor vote 'yes'; opposed vote 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Bill, 66 voting 'yes', 47 voting 'no', 0 voting 'present'. House Bill 2240 is declared passed. Members of the House, all Bills on the House Agreed Bill Calendar, having received the Constitutional 09600031.doc 178  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009 Majority, are hereby declared passed. The Lady from DuPage is seeking recognition. Representative Bellock."

"State your point."

"Mr. Clerk, what's the status of House Bill 3815?"

"Please return that Bill to Second Reading. Mr. Clerk, what's the status of House Bill 3721?"

"At the request of the Sponsor, please remove this… return this Bill to Second Reading. Mr. Clerk, the Adjournment Resolution. Excuse me. Mr… Mr. Clerk, Agreed Resolutions."

"(sic-Agreed Resolutions adopted per Journal). The Lady from Kane is seeking recognition. Representative Chapa LaVia."

Chapa LaVia: "Thank you, Speaker. A point of personal privilege."

"State your point."

"I just want to inform everybody. Tomorrow in the chapel we have a Bible study that meets and we're reading Why I Believe. If anybody would like to join us, we start at 7:30 in the morning. Thank you."

Speaker Mautino: "The Gentleman from Fulton, Representative Smith is seeking recognition."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. For the Members of the Education Committee, we will meet at 9:00 tomorrow morning instead of 8. That's 9:00 in Room 114, Elementary & Secondary Education."

Speaker Mautino: "The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Turner is seeking recognition."

"(Horse whinny). Thank you, Mr. Speaker. For those Members that are interested in talking about horseracing and the horseracing Bills, either on behalf of the tracks or the thoroughbreds or the… whatever else there is left to run… the harnesses, we will be meeting tomorrow morning at 1… in Room 115 at 9:30, 9:30 tomorrow morning to discuss horseracing legislation. (Horse whinny)."

"Representative Reis for a Motion." 09600031.doc 180  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 31st Legislative Day 3/24/2009

Speaker Mautino: "The Motion from Representative Reis to suspend the rules. Seeing no objection, the request is granted. Mr. Clerk."

Speaker Mautino: "Allowing perfunctory time for the Clerk, Representative Currie now moves that the House stand adjourned 'til Wednesday, March 25 at the hour of 10 a.m. All in favor signify by 'aye'; opposed same sign. The Adjournment Resolution is adopted. The House stands adjourned."