Illinois House Floor Debate — May 25, 2010

"The House shall be in order. We shall led… be led in pray today by Pastor Norris Flannigan who is with the Ephesians Baptist Church in Rockford, Illinois. Pastor Flannigan is the guest of Representative Jefferson. Members and guests are ask to refrain from starting their laptops, turn off all cell phones and pagers and rise for the invocation and Pledge of Allegiance. Pastor Flannigan"

Speaker Lang: "We will be led in the Pledge today by Representative Reboletti."

Speaker Lang: "Roll Call for Attendance. Representative Currie."

"Thank you, Speaker. I have no excused absences among House Democrats to report today."

"Representative Bost."

"Mr. Reis. Please take the record, Mr. Clerk. There are 117 Members ‘present’ and a quorum is ‘present’. Mr. Clerk, Committee Reports."

"Mr. Clerk, please tell us the status of Senate Bill 3514."

"Please move that to the Order of the Second Reading at the request of the Sponsor. And the Chair recognizes Representative Currie on Senate Bill 3514."

"Thank you, Speaker and Members of the House. I would like to offer Amendment 4 to Senate Bill 3514. This Amendment is technical only and I would appreciate your support." 09600141.doc 4  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 141st Legislative Day 5/25/2010

"Lady moves for the adoption of the Amendment. There being no discussion, those in favor say ‘yes’; opposed ‘no’. In the opinion of the Chair, the ‘ayes’ have it. And the Amendment is adopted Mr. Clerk."

"Representative Currie."

"Thank you, Speaker and Members of the House. This makes a correction to the pension borrowing program which was the subject of Amendment #3. It specifies that the Governor must sell the bonds by September 30 and it also deals with the question that might arise if the bonds either do… bring in more than is needed by the pension systems, or don’t bring in enough. I’d appreciate your support."

"Those in favor shall vote ‘yes’; those opposed ‘no’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Franks. Mr. Mathias. Please take the record. On this question, there are 104 voting ‘yes’, 12 voting ‘no’. And the Amendment is adopted. Mr. Clerk."

"Representative Currie."

"Thank you, Speaker. This Amendment takes the 35 million in Coal Development Bonds that are currently available and expands their purposes so as to include power plants that are using synthetic natural gas for generating power. I would appreciate your support for the Amendment."

"Mr. Eddy." 09600141.doc 5  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 141st Legislative Day 5/25/2010

"Lady yields."

"No."

"Right now there are $35 million in bonds available for the development of coal markets. This Amendment would add to the purposes for which those bonds can be used the power plants that are using… using coal to turn into synthetic natural gas. So, they are, in fact, generating stations in Springfield and Washington County, Illinois that would under this Amendment qualify for bond proceeds."

"Exactly."

"Representative, this is an Amendment that stands on its own two feet. Either you are for the idea of supporting power plants that are turning coal into natural gas or you aren’t. So, I would ask you to vote accordingly." 09600141.doc 6  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 141st Legislative Day 5/25/2010

"Mr. Reitz."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, to the Amendment. I think the intent of this is to try to help a couple of Clean Coal projects: one in Springfield, one in Washington County; actually three, one in Representative Phelps District. But they are the leading edge technology in Illinois for Clean Coal Technology and I think this… these… this Amendment will help them and allow them to burn coal cleaner and help move us forward in providing reliable clean electricity for people in Illinois. And we appreciate your help."

"Mr. Bost."

"Lady yields."

"This is all… the whole Bill is about borrowing to meet important obligations…"

"…and responsibilities of the Legislature."

"This is an Amendment that stands on its own two feet. If you're for the development of Illinois coal, if you think using coal to create synthetic natural gas is a good thing, I urge you to vote ‘yes’ on this Amendment."

Speaker Lang: "Those in favor of the Amendment shall vote ‘yes’; those opposed ‘no’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Dugan, Feigenholtz, May. Please take the record. 09600141.doc 8  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 141st Legislative Day 5/25/2010 On this question, there are 71 voting ‘yes’, 45 voting ‘no’. And the Amendment is adopted. Mr. Clerk."

"Number 7 is withdrawn, Representative? Number 7 withdrawn is withdrawn. Mr. Clerk."

"And #8 is also withdrawn. Mr. Clerk."

"Representative Currie."

"Thank you very much, Speaker and Members of the House. This is an Amendment that would permit universities borrowing. As we know the state has not been able, in fact, to pay the universities what they are owed and they are teetering on the brink of disaster. So I would urge your support for this measure to make sure that the universities have the opportunity to go to market, to establish a line of credit so that they can, in fact, meet their fiscal… fiscal year '10 expenses. So I would appreciate your support for this Amendment, as I have appreciated your support for the others."

Speaker Lang: "The Lady moves for the adoption of the Amendment. The Chair wishes to announce that we will be using the two-minute timer. And the Chair recognizes Representative Eddy."

"Lady yields."

"That is correct, but of course if we were to incorporate its provisions in this Bill… I would consider it an insurance policy so that, for example, if the Governor were to decide not to sign Senate Bill 642, he would have the opportunity to sign this Bill instead."

"Mr. Bost for two minutes."

"Representative Currie to close."

"Speaker and Members of the House, let me just point out that this is not a game. This is the farthest thing from a game that could ever happen on this House Floor. We are in a desperate fiscal times and the Governor himself has put out a statement that says, I believe… this is a quote, ‘I believe that it is in the best interest of Illinois taxpayers to include state university borrowing in the comprehensive borrowing Bill now before the Illinois General Assembly.’ I hope you will vote with the Governor and with me and adopt Amendment 9 to Senate Bill 3514."

"Those in favor vote ‘yes’; those opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Black Pritchard. Mr. Clerk, please take the record. On this question, there are 65 voting ‘yes’, 51 voting ‘no’. And the Amendment is adopted. Mr. Clerk."

"Representative Currie."

"Thank you very much, Speaker and Members of the House. This is an Amendment that would expand the purposes for the School Construction Bond Program. As you know, many school districts have gone to market… gone ahead and done their… their rehabilitation, have built their schools but under the current purposes of the bond authorization, they cannot be reimbursed. This proposal would add approximately $240 09600141.doc 11  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 141st Legislative Day 5/25/2010 million to the School Construction Program so that those schools districts will be entitled to reimbursement for the work they have already done and those schools that are waiting for help from the state to begin new projects would also be able to start putting the spades in the ground and getting the job done. I'd appreciate your support for adoption of this Amendment."

"Mr. Eddy for two minutes."

"Lady yields."

"Not the '02 list. Representative, I believe that money is already available, but this would affect those that were… that were started or completed in 2003."

"And… there’re in fact, a much larger number then 23 on the list that I have seen."

"But we did not… we did not provide in that funding that districts could be reimbursed for work they had already done. That was Build Illinois bonding and that really covered… Build America bonding sorry, and that covers new projects not reimbursement for past work. So, this would 09600141.doc 12  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 141st Legislative Day 5/25/2010 provide that they get reimbursed as well as get money to begin a new project."

"Because under the Build America Bonds you have to be new construct… going forward rather than looking back. So, this would fix that error so they would be able to get reimbursed."

"It doesn’t say specifically in the Amendment, but we could use this money, since it’s not Build America bonding, we could use it for reimbursement but we also could use it for new construction."

"Mr. Eddy, please bring your remarks to a close, Sir."

"No, it would also cover new construction projects going forward."

"Right."

"Right."

"Yes. It’s really how they issue the bonds. So, there has not, as far as I know, been another Bill on the same topic."

"Thank you. Mr. Reis for two minutes."

"Mr. Eddy for two minutes."

"Correct." 09600141.doc 14  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 141st Legislative Day 5/25/2010

"Right."

"Right. But what it does it takes care of those that are hoping to get reimbursed and can’t be because of the use of Build America Bonds, but it also makes money available for the priority list still to come."

"Mr. Black for two minutes."

"Lady yields."

"I believe that your staff has been given the list we have. Now, I have to tell you that the state board could not give us total dollar amounts for those school districts that are waiting for reimbursement and those school districts that are priorities for construction projects going forward."

"I believe the list of the reimbursement districts is shorter but both lists are fairly hefty." 09600141.doc 15  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 141st Legislative Day 5/25/2010

"I believe your staff has as much information on this topic as I have."

"And I would say that the… the districts that have completed are waiting for reimbursement it looks to me the number may be 50, something like that and then there are more that’s… that 65 or 70 that are prioritized for new activity."

"Representative Currie to close."

"Thank you much, Speaker. I… we've had a good debate, on this issue. If you want to help those school districts that are still waiting for their reimbursement when they went ahead and completed their building projects, this is the way to go. I urge your ‘aye’ vote."

"Those in favor vote ‘yes’; opposed ‘no’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Black, Bost, May, Wait. Please take the record, Mr. Clerk. On this question, there are 78 voting ‘yes’, 39 voting ‘no’. And the Amendment is adopted. Mr. Clerk."

"Representative Currie."

"Thank you, Speaker and Members of the House. This is a Amendment that is in a pending Bill form not a Bill that has already been adopted, but it would give the school 09600141.doc 16  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 141st Legislative Day 5/25/2010 district in Cahokia the opportunity to build a high school and at the same time, would allow them to do as we've let other local school districts do and the state itself does, extend the life of a bond not just to 20 years but to 25. I would appreciate your support for the measure."

"Mr. Eddy for two minutes."

"Lady yields."

"First of all, I would say that there really should be nothing controversial in his Bill. This Bill is all about borrowing in order to treat the taxpayers fairly, in order to make sure we are not putting the taxpayers on the hook for billions of dollars when we otherwise could make sure the taxpayers are not so exposed. So, I don’t think that anybody in this chamber should think there’s anything 09600141.doc 17  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 141st Legislative Day 5/25/2010 controversial in this Bill. And I would, again, renew my Motion to adopt Amendment 12 to Senate Bill 3514."

"Representative Black."

"Representative Currie to close."

"Thank you. Actually, Speaker, what I would like to suggest is everybody is so anxious to vote on the pension borrowing bill on its own because it’s a good sound measure, I would be happy to offer to withdraw Amendments 6, 9, 10, and 12 from this Bill."

"Representative Currie."

"I think probably the better course is to ask to table Amendment 6 and we can do all of them on one Motion if that’s acceptable to the Body."

"The Chair will accept the Motion to do tabling of these Amendments on one Roll Call. Which Amendments do you want table, Representative?"

"6, 9, 10 and 12." 09600141.doc 19  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 141st Legislative Day 5/25/2010

"Is there leave of the Body to allow those four Amendments to be tabled? Chair recognizes Representative Black."

"State your inquiry, Sir."

"Mr. Black… Mr. Black, an answer to your inquiry. Since these were Floor Amendments, we do not have to go to Rules, Sir."

"The Motion was not filed in writing, but if you insist, Representative Currie will do that."

"The question was, is there leave of the Body to take these on one Roll Call and to proceed. Do you object, Sir?"

"Mr. Stephens."

"Mr. Stephens."

Speaker Lang: "The Clerk is now in possession of a written Motion from Representative Currie to lay Amendment 6, 9, and 10 on the table. Without objections, we'll take these in one Roll Call. And on this Motion, the Chair recognizes Representative Stephens."

"It’s been adopted, Sir."

"Yes, Sir."

"There's no need to. If the Amendment hasn’t been dealt with, then it’s not of record. It’s not part of this Bill."

"You can count on the fact that I'm going to the follow the rules, Sir." 09600141.doc 21  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 141st Legislative Day 5/25/2010

"There being no further debate, those in favor of Representative Currie’s Motion shall vote ‘yes’; those opposed ‘no’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, please take the record. On this question, there are 117 voting ‘yes’, 0 voting ‘no’. And the Motion is adopted. The Chair recognizes Representative Eddy."

"State your inquiry."

"Mr. Clerk, please tell us what Amendments are now on the Bill?"

Speaker Lang: "Representative Currie, you're withdrawing the rest of the Amendments filed for this Bill? Mr. Clerk, would you…"

"Yes, please." 09600141.doc 22  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 141st Legislative Day 5/25/2010

"…would you announce what Amendments those are and withdraw them please?"

"Mr. Eddy."

"Mr. Eddy, this would be an appropriate question for Third Reading. We're not there yet, Sir."

"There is nothing before you at the moment, Sir."

"Thank you. Mr. Black."

"That is correct, Sir."

"That is also correct, Sir."

"Mr. Clerk. The… Mr. Clerk."

"Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill for a third time."

"Representative Currie."

"Thank you, Speaker and Members of the House. This measure is… amended by Amendment 4 and 5, would propose that the state could borrow up to $4 billion to meet our obligation to the pension systems during fiscal year 2011. The reason for this effort to borrow is because first of all we were not able to raise revenues that would enable us to make the pension payment. As you know, we had a vote on this House Floor one year ago, a vote that would have increased the income tax, a vote that received only 42 votes, needing 60 to pass. There does not seem to be the appetite among the Members of this chamber to raise the resources it would take to meet our obligations in this coming fiscal year to the state pension systems. Another option, of course, would be to cut our way to $4 billion, cut $4 billion in spending, so that we could then go ahead and meet the obligation. Well, we've seen that effort on this House Floor as well. As recently as early May, the Speaker of the House introduced an Amendment that would cut the budget by almost the $4 billion that is at stake here and that Amendment got 99 ‘no’ votes. So, we haven’t the appetite to find the resources; we haven’t the appetite to cut deeply into state spending. Our options then are two: we can borrow the money to pay the pension systems what they need and what our responsibilities tell us they are owed, or we can walk away from the debt. We can walk away from those responsibilities. And let me tell you, this measure says let’s borrow the money. Anybody who understands finance, anybody that understands the 09600141.doc 24  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 141st Legislative Day 5/25/2010 operations of State Government will understand that borrowing is far cheaper for the taxpayers than is walking away from the obligation. We can borrow the money at a cost over… for eight years, of about $1 billion. If instead we walk out on our responsibilities to the pension systems, the total cost to the taxpayers over the life of the… of this obligation would be $20 billion. Minimally $20 billion because the system might be forced to sell assets and in this market, you wouldn’t want to be selling assets. The total could be well more than $20 billion. I would say to the Members of this chamber, if you have any respect for the taxpayers, if you have any respect for the obligations of future Illinoisans, the only responsible vote on this measure is ‘yes’. The only responsible way to meet our obligations to the pension systems is not by taking a hike, not by taking a walk, but by borrowing the money we need in order to pay the systems, which we can do at low cost to the taxpayers. Any other action hangs the taxpayers out to dry. I would urge your ‘aye’ votes."

"Lady moves for the passages of Bill. And on that question, the Chair recognizes Representative Eddy for two minutes."

"Lady yields."

"Actually, it was totally technical. It was Amendment 5 that says that should it turn out that the certified amount is less than the money that could be borrowed under this proposal, then the overage will go to General Revenue and if it is not adequate to meet the certified amount then there will still be a claim from the pension systems on the General Revenue Fund."

"Yes."

"Quite late in the day, which is why, under Amendment 5, the Governor would only have until September 30 to go to market for this bond issuance."

"I believe that last year’s budget was significantly under… underfunded compared to the previous budget, so I think that promise was fulfilled."

"Please bring your remarks to a close, Sir."

"Mr. Winters for two minutes."

"Mr. Franks for two minutes."

"Mr. Speaker, our bu… our pension fund is $80 billion short of what we promised to pay in. To put that in perspective that represents unfunded liability in excess of $17 thousand per Illinoisan residents. Our budget is $13 billion short or to put that in perspective, about 50 percent short of our general revenue funding. Only California’s bonds are posing a higher default risk than that of Illinois. This same Bill failed two weeks ago and 09600141.doc 28  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 141st Legislative Day 5/25/2010 nothing has changed since. None of the options that are being presented at this time will solve the budget problem. We're supposed to be back here in Springfield to solve our budget crisis, but we have not addressed the $13 billion deficit. Nothing we actually plan to discuss, debate, or vote on this week deals on how to fix this. It is not insurmountable problem, but it's a crisis that we continue to allow the snowball and we continue to ignore it. All we're debating right now is whether we're going to borrow or whether we're going to defer the $4 billion that we owe to our pension system. Both are bad and irresponsible options. Instead of employing delaying tactics, we should be facing spending cuts head-on. In addition to the $4 billion we're focused on, there's another $9 billion problem, some of which is $6 billion owed for unpaid bills from this fiscal year which we're ignoring and all we're going to do is carry forward. We have not worked to developed any plan to pay these bills or any plan to lessen the $9 billion on top of this 4 billion. And why? We're being asked to talk about borrowing versus deferring to distract us from the underlying problem. Now, whether we defer or borrow, we are going to owe billions more down the road. We're talking about putting a Band-Aid on a gunshot wound."

"Please bring your remarks to the close, Sir."

"I shall. We should be talking about realistic options and begin making cuts now. We can save billions of dollars in interest. We owe it to the people that elected us, to our children and our children’s children to start making 09600141.doc 29  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 141st Legislative Day 5/25/2010 real efforts to solve this problem. I encourage a ‘no’ vote."

"Mr. Reis for two minutes."

"Lady will yield."

"I don’t know. I do know that the expectation is that the certification will be under $4 billion in fiscal '11. We think in the neighborhood of 3.7, 3.8 billion."

"This is the end of Session Representative."

"This is the end of session and I would remind you we have offered cuts we have offered significant cuts."

"$4 billion more of cuts."

"And this chamber overwhelming rejected the opportunity to cut that kind of dollar amount from the state budget, 99 people voted ‘no’. You need 60 people to vote ‘yes’ to pass cuts of that magnitude and they are not in this chamber. We live in a real world, Representative not a fantasy world. It’s time for us to wake up and figure it out."

"The Gentleman’s time has expired. Do you wish to complete your comments, Sir? Please do."

"Your request is acknowledged, Sir. Representative Senger for two minutes."

"Representative Hoffman for two minutes."

"Yes. Mr. Speaker, I would just… to some of the comments from the Gentleman from Danville. I just wanted to say, I don’t necessarily agree with the comments that we wouldn’t want to try and put some Amendments forward that would help create jobs for the Illinois Jobs Now program or build new schools or ensure that some of the coal-fired clean energy coal plants were open. I would like to do that too but this now is… is what you… you would ask for. And the Gentleman from Danville, it’s been an honor and a privilege to have served with you for so many years and… you're talking about 20 years ago. Fortunately, unfortunately, we've been here for 20 years. And I recall a vote on a… on a Bill… a Bill maybe 18 years ago when we were asking the voters to change the Constitution to make sure that we in Illinois or we in the General Assembly provide the majority of money for education funding and you stood up at that time, almost got in a fight on the House Floor. It's been an honor for me to serve with you all these years. And I think if you step back and if we all step back, both sides of the aisle, look at what we're facing. We do have three choices. We can cut $3.8 billion from the budget. We do have to make cuts. We have to make across the boards cuts, that'll be coming. We could do what the Lady is proposing. We could borrow, which many of us… a lot us on this House Floor, we all voted for last year or 09600141.doc 33  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 141st Legislative Day 5/25/2010 we can skip it. Now here’s the truth; the truth is the $3.8 billion worth of cuts did not come forward when the Speaker had asked for Amendments. That’s the truth. The truth is if we were to do what the Lady is proposing it would cost us a billion dollars in interest over 8 years, and the truth is if we skip by not passing this it’s going to cost us about $20 billion over the next 35 years. That's the…"

"Please bring your remarks to a close, Sir."

"…that’s the facts. That's the facts we can get up and we can give all the speeches we want about partisanship, about the motives, but that’s the facts. And the people are looking at us now and seeing if we can put all of that aside and we can come up with some reasonable solution, not necessarily the best solution but something that we can agree upon. To me this is a no-brainer. Is it… are we going to cost the taxpayers a billion dollars or are we going to cost them $20 billion? It’s that simple. I think we should put all this stuff aside, I know I sometimes get exorcised and say things, but let’s do what’s right. Let’s be states men, and states person, and states women and let's just vote for this and move it along."

"Mr. Dunkin for two minutes."

"Mr… Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"Lady yields."

"Representative, if we don’t make this vote of 71 votes of borrowing $3.8 billion, exactly, in short-order what organizations… what agencies will be impacted?"

"Well, the impact would be felt by the… the five state pension systems, but they’re reaction to having no money 09600141.doc 34  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 141st Legislative Day 5/25/2010 that they were supposed to have under the continuing appropriation, will be that they will… may have to go to market to sell assets in order to meet the checks… the reasonability to pay the checks to current retirees. Well, I wouldn’t want to go to market today and sell valuable assets given how the market is tanking. So my estimate of $20 billion over this 35 year period may, in fact, be very low. It may turn out that it's rather a $30 billion problem than a $20 billion problem and there is no question that under this Bill the cost of the taxpayers over 8 years will be one billion, not 20 billion, not 30 billion, but one billion. So that’s the point of this proposal is to see to it that the pensions have the money they need to meet their payroll and at the same time not stick it to the taxpayers."

"Has there been any other proposed solution in this short-order that we're looking at in the next several days? I mean, have we heard any other comprehensive approached other than cutting or not borrowing money?"

"The options that I said in the beginning; we could raise revenues, we chose not to. We could make deep cuts in state spending; we tried that. The measure was on the board; it got 99 ‘no’ votes. Everybody in this chamber was invited to come up with their own ideas for $4 billion in cuts and we haven’t seen anybody rise to the challenge. So, people can talk all they like. They can talk all day long about how, gee, we can make the cuts. But I haven’t seen the backbone in the Members of this Assembly exactly to go forward and do that." 09600141.doc 35  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 141st Legislative Day 5/25/2010

"Mr…"

"So, those are your options, borrow the money or walk, take a hike, walk on your responsibility to meet the payment."

Speaker Lang: "Mr. Dunkin, please bring your remarks to a close, Sir."

"Thank you, Representative. I, too, agree with Representative Currie and all of us really being in this situation together. This is not a Democrat or Republican response. This is one of the very few options that we have especially right now, where our state’s economy is at an all-time low when it comes to economic activity. This is the first time in history… the history of our state where we have… where we're experiencing this level of financial setbacks. And unless a Member here or caucus here or Party here have a solution to help deal with this short-term issue that we can correct in over a relativity short time and far less than 8 years, I would say put up or shut up and let’s do the right thing as it relates to citizens here in this state who could care less about our political ambitions or our elections coming up and let's be responsible, do the right thing for the families in the State of Illinois and support this short-term borrowing measure. I would encourage an 'aye' vote. Thank you."

"Minority Leader Cross."

"The Chair would like to recognize the presence of the Governor of State of Illinois, Pat Quinn. Representative Fritchey for two minutes."

"Thank you, Speaker and Members of the Body. When you get past all of the rhetoric, very little is changed since we were here a couple weeks ago and very little is going to change unless people wake up to the reality. The choices are simple. We have certain ways that we can get out of this whether you like them or not. And I don’t think there is any way that anybody is going to say we feel good about what we did. A number of people have said that, you know, we're in a time when we have to pick, you know, the best of the worst options. And for whatever reasons they may be, that's where we find ourselves. We don’t need to go and dig into the history books and look back 20 years or 8 years or 8 months. How we got here is history, we're here. And to go forward from here we borrow, we defer, we cut, we hike, in some type of combination. But to say that you are not going to do any of those, doesn’t change the equation today 09600141.doc 41  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 141st Legislative Day 5/25/2010 as it did not change the equation weeks ago as it won’t change the equation in June, July, August, or September. It’s not the time for politics; it’s not the time for grand-standing. It’s a time to make tough votes. Where we were last year, Members on the other side of the aisle said with a flurry and bluster that they were going to file Amendment after Amendment that was going to cut our way out of this. None of those Amendments were filed. You were given carte blanche. People on this side of the aisle filed Amendments and the Speaker actually let them be heard. The process worked the way it was supposed to work; they were heard in committee, some went forward most didn’t, but the Members got to cho… choice to weigh in and the chance to weigh in. Folks on the other side of the aisle said that they were going to do the same thing. Not one Amendment got filed, yet we had to listen to how you got cut out of the process. At the end of the day, the reality is simple. You are going to take the choice here, the fiscally prudent sound way you do this or were you going to make tougher more expensive choices for the taxpayers and the people of Illinois. We need to handle where we are now. We need to move forward. It’s not the time for political speeches. It’s not the time to set up yourself for your mail pieces that are going to go to your constituents. It’s a time to realize where you are. Realize why you were elected to this office. Do what needs to be done, make the tough decision, and let’s move forward. Thank you." 09600141.doc 42  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 141st Legislative Day 5/25/2010

"Mr. Black, you spoke in debate. For what reason do you rise, Sir?"

"Perhaps I was thinking of a different Bill. Please proceed for two minutes, Sir."

"Representative Mulligan for two minutes."

"Representative Stephens for two minutes."

"Representative Currie to close."

"Thank you, Speaker, and Members of the House. This is the end of May, this is the end of Session. We have a very 09600141.doc 47  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 141st Legislative Day 5/25/2010 clear choice. We can borrow for the pension payment and the taxpayers will be on the hook for $1 billion in interest over 8 years, or we can take a hike. If we take a hike, the taxpayers, not just of today but of tomorrow, are on the hook at least $20 billion. One billion or twenty billion, it’s up to you. Please vote ‘yes’."

"Lady's moved for the passage of the Bill. Those in favor shall vote 'yes'; opposed ‘no’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Bassi, Careen Gordon, Pritchard. Please take the record. On this question, there are 70 voting ‘yes’, 46 voting ‘no’, and 1 voting 'present'. And the Bill fails."

"The House shall be in order. Mr. Clerk, are you in receipt of a Motion?"

"Who’s filed the Motion, Sir?"

"Mr. Miller on the Motion."

"I'd like to move to reconsider the vote on Senate Bill 3514."

"Gentleman's moved to reconsider the vote by which Senate Bill 3514 failed. And on that question, the Chair recognizes Representative Reis for two minutes. Gentleman does not wish to speak. Chair recognizes Representative Osmond for two minutes."

"Can you tell the Chair how long that caucus will last Representative? Representative Osmond?"

Speaker Lang: "Please… please bear with the Chair. The Republicans will go to Caucus. The House Democrats will be at ease and the House will be in recess until the hour of 6:00. And the Chair… before we depart, the Chair recognizes Representative Black."

"State your inquiry, Sir."

"Well, as you know, Mr. Black, there's a Motion pending and we'll deal with that Motion and any other Motions before we adjourn so rest easy, Sir."

"First, there's another Motion pending. If you'd like me to get to that one before your caucus, I can do that, Sir."

"We will get to your Motion in due course, Sir."

"The House is at ease until 6:00 pm."

"The House will be in order. Mr. Clerk, can you put the Bill back up on the board, Sir? When the Republicans went to caucus, we were debating or beginning 09600141.doc 49  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 141st Legislative Day 5/25/2010 to debate a Motion to reconsider filed by Representative Miller on Senate Bill 3514. Is there any debate? On this question, the Chair recognize Representative Rose for two minutes."

"Gentleman yields."

"I move for a Motion for this. That's my explanation right now."

"I believe we're debating the Motion, Representative."

"Mr. Reis."

"State your inquiry, Sir."

"It will be a Roll Call vote. If the vote is successful, there will be a Roll Call vote on the Bill."

"There will be no further debate on the main Bill. We've already thoroughly debated it, Sir."

"Mr. Reis, the Bill is not before us now, but if you'll renew that request when the Bill is on the board, I will not forget it, Sir."

"Well, I understand, but the Sponsor's going to be able to explain the Bill…"

Speaker Lang: "…and you'll have your opportunity. Representative Fortner."

"Mr. Eddy for two minutes."

Speaker Lang: "Mr. Rose, I see you're trying to get recognition. Did you already speak in debate, Sir?"

"Please state your inquiry."

"Sir, the Gent… you’re talking about Mr. Reis?"

"Mr. Reis was asking for a opportunity to verify the vote when we get back to the original Bill. He was not making any Motion on this Bill, Sir. On this… on this Motion."

"It is required under the rules, Sir."

"And we will acknowledge that, Sir."

"Mr. Miller to close."

"I ask for a favorable vote."

"The House will be in order. Mr. Miller has closed on his Motion to reconsider. I see Representative Mulligan with her light on. The Gentleman's already closed, 09600141.doc 53  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 141st Legislative Day 5/25/2010 Representative. Are you… can you tell me why you're rising to speak?"

"The Lady’s Motion is in order. The Lady has moved to table Mr. Miller’s Motion. And on that question, the Chair recognizes Representative Mulligan to debate her Motion."

"There being no one wishing to debate, those in favor the Lady’s Motion shall vote ‘yes’; those opposed shall vote ‘no’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Black, Mr. Eddy. 09600141.doc 54  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 141st Legislative Day 5/25/2010 Please take the record. On this Motion, there we are 47 voting ‘yes’, and 70 voting 'no'. And the Lady’s Motion is defeated. Mr. Miller has moved to reconsider the vote by which Senate Bill 3514 failed. And those in favor of the Gentleman’s Motion shall vote ‘yes’; those opposed shall vote ‘no’. The voting is open. This Motion takes 60 votes. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Schmitz. Please take the record. On this question, there are 71 voting ‘yes’, 46 voting ‘no’. And the Gentleman’s Motion prevails and Senate Bill 3514 is reconsidered. Representative Currie."

"Thank you, Speaker and Members of the House. We’ve discussed this measure at some length this afternoon. I think we all know what the issue is. We have not been able to cut our way to find $3.8 billion. We’ve not been able to raise the revenue."

Speaker Lang: "Representative… Representative Currie. Representative Rose, I know why you're rising. You did ask to verify that. It did get 71 votes requiring 60. I apologize for forgetting your verification. Do you persist, Sir?"

"Representative Currie will suspend. The Clerk will read the affirmative vote… on the Motion to reconsider."

"Before we proceed to Mr. Rose's verification, the Chair recognizes Representative Durkin."

"Mr. Durkin, I think the Chair has been very accommodating trying to follow the rules. We had full debate on that Bill, previously and I do believe, in the interest of the economy of this chamber, it would be appropriate to dispense with further debate on that Bill. However, if you would insist or any group of Members would insist on redebating Senate Bill 3514, the Chair will not argue the point." 09600141.doc 56  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 141st Legislative Day 5/25/2010

"Well, then, what I am going to do is suggest, if we get that point that only Members who have not spoken speak in debate the next time around. The Chair recognizes Representative Stephens."

"As I said, Mr. Stephens, if Members insist on debating further…"

"…we will."

"And the Chair now recognizes Representative Rose for his verification."

Speaker Lang: "The Gentleman withdraws his request. The Members… the Members will show some decorum so we could try 09600141.doc 57  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 141st Legislative Day 5/25/2010 to leave here sometime tonight. The Gentleman withdraws his request for verification, the Bill is reconsidered and Members have asked for debate. Representative Currie, if you wish to explain your Bill again please do so. The Members will show some peace and quiet."

"Thank you, Speaker and Members of the House. We have debated this quite extensively; the issue is straightforward. We owe the pension systems somewhere between 3.7 and 3.8 billion dollars in fiscal year '11. We have shown that we are not able to raise revenues to find resources to make the payment. We have shown that we are not able to cut 3.7 or 3.8 billion dollars in expenses. We are left with two choices. We can borrow the money, or we can take a hike on our responsibility. The issue is simple and straightforward, to stick the taxpayers with $20 billion if we do not borrow or to require repayment of about a billion in interest over eight years if we take this route. I urge your ‘aye’ vote."

"Mr. Pritchard for two minutes."

"Mr. Fortner for two minutes."

"Mr. Reboletti."

"Mr. Tryon for two minutes."

"Lady yields."

"Representative Reis for two minutes."

"That will be acknowledged, Sir. Representative Watson for two minutes."

"Lady yields."

"It took some time, but under this Legislation, the Governor would have to sell these bonds by September 30, 2010."

"We did not, but we do in this year’s language." 09600141.doc 62  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 141st Legislative Day 5/25/2010

"Representative Washington for two minutes."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I just want to add my little two cents to this conversation. As we talk about the State of Illinois and the tragedy that confronts every one of us, I know in each one of our district we represent people of a lot of means and some have less means than others. And as we look back as to how we got here, it seems so small of a school of a thought based on where we are. But I was listening to the prior speaker, prior to the speaker over that side… speaker here, when he was mirroring what the citizens deserve and what the Constitution guarantees. And I was just listening and would like hearing his voice go in my ear and saying, you know these are the kind of conversations that should have been taking place when Bush came after Clinton when there was a surplus. Where was that school of consciousness for those colleagues who got a chance to address it at the federal level because I totally agree with you but it should start on top and trickle down before we get to that spot. But being that we don’t represent the total country, we represent the State of Illinois, there's a here, now, and then. And so now it dictates that we find some common ground because the people whether they be Democrats, Republicans or Independent believers or nonbelievers they are all in the same boat and we are supposed to be pain killers for the pain that they are experiencing. So, I hope that we not let our personal egos get in the way of something moral that we should do. Thank you." 09600141.doc 63  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 141st Legislative Day 5/25/2010

"Representative Miller."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. For the majority of this Session, I've been pretty quite on a lot of issues that… that I care near and dear about. And in times like this I’m also reflective upon why I came here in the first place, almost 10 years ago. As many of you know I grew up in the north suburbs of Evanston and was privileged to a good education system, and I represent the south suburbs of Chicago where the educational system is not on par. And I've always advocated for a equal high quality education system and education funding no matter where you live and it shouldn’t depend on the dollars on your zip code that you live in. Last year I was Chief Sponsor of a House Bill that came over and I believe I showed leadership as getting it through the House committee, because I was to believe, that's the right thing to do, to solve some of our structural problems in the state to try to deal with this head-on, and to try to make sure that we move our state forward. That has always been what I championed for, for the best of what I’ve tried to do. And now we present with some very difficult choices based on structural problems that I've tried to address over the past 10 years. The Bills that I've worked on have had more money for education but also helped with health care, also helped with pension, also helped with the higher education trying to make our state move forward no matter in good times or bad times to fix some of these problems. And so here we are today trying to do this 'at the last minute.' And I believe in a leaner efficient government. We 09600141.doc 64  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 141st Legislative Day 5/25/2010 have to make cuts. Even if the Bill, House Bill 174 would have passed we still have to make tough choices, we still have to make cuts if the Bill passed. I believe in transparency because part of the frustration that we in Illinois are having is the fact that our citizen. Don’t understand the budgetary process. Citizens don’t understand the fact that the decisions that we make may have a face attached to it. It is not just businesses, but it's also folks who need, day in and day out, governmental services, and that's very important to all of us in the State of Illinois. So having transparency is something that's extremely important; leaner, efficient trans… government is important. And so earlier today Members on this side of the aisle presented ideals to cut government, to try to make those ideals that we had, to make them more efficient to consolidate. They went through a committee process and failed. Representative Nekritz had some ideals in frustration that she’s had in the past Session to try to deal with some of these problems, and came up with ideals. Ideals are not exclusive just to Democrats. Ideals are not just exclusive to downstate or upstate, or black, white or Latino. It’s all of us that can come up with us trying to work together. And now we are faced with some really tough choices based on things that we’ve done. And I’m not here to point fingers; in fact, I stand with Bill Black in the leadership that he presented."

Speaker Lang: "Mr. Miller, please bring your remarks to a close, Sir." 09600141.doc 65  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 141st Legislative Day 5/25/2010

"Thank you. I stand with Bill Black in some of the L leadership that he's represented because it's the right thing to do. And now we're faced with three options, three options and none of them are good. And not only that, we’ve got a society in the State of Illinois in a country that's fearful. Fear and I understand fear because I'm a dentist, I understand it. But however fear… the way you deal with fear is being open and honest with people and sometimes you got to tell them news they don’t want to hear. And that news is today, that news is today. I do not like supporting this Bill. I do not like it but I will support it because it is the responsible thing to do based on the other options. It's not the fact that we're spending this money, regardless of Representative Fortner was right we are saving dollars, 20 billion, 10 billion, pick a number. It’s che… it’s more expensive than one billion. That’s the fact, and the mere fact that if our pension system starts to sell asset it worsens and gets into a structural… more of a structural problem. And that is not why I’m here. That is not why we are here. We are here to lead Illinois forward. We are here to solve our problems. We are here to try to address our structural problems. And guess what, collectively we are going to do it. So I suggest you vote 'yes'."

"Representative Eddy for two minutes."

"Mr. Mautino for two minutes."

"Thanks, Speaker. I rise in support of the Lady's Bill. We’ve had a lot of debate on this. But I think the choices that come down to us are really, are we going to make a 09600141.doc 67  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 141st Legislative Day 5/25/2010 payment we don’t have the financial ability to do. So we're looking to borrow. The cost of borrowing is $1 billion versus borrowing it out over 35 years at a cost of $20 billion. There are no great options that are out there. But there's an illusion that Senate Bill 95, 15 years ago which was the pension ramp Bill, was the end all save all. When we passed that Bill, it was backend loaded. Back then General Revenue fund was $12 billion not 24 as today, but it assumed 15 years out we would be paying $4 billion. There's a lot of things that led to where we're at today, but there's a reality that we have to face. The dollars aren’t there. If you skip the pension payment, they have to sell $300 million per month of assets that are earning for our retirees. If we do this, they don’t have to sell those assets. It’s a better financial mood… move in a year where we don’t have a lot of great choices. I support the Lady's Motion. We tried to put a Bill on to cut $3.7 billion. That Bill received 99 'no' votes in this chamber. Cutting the amount that we're talking about borrowing today. So, we're left with very limited options and difficult choices in a time when only two states in the union are currently not in deficit. So, this problem is going to take a while for us to work through. This is one piece so that we can move forward. And I ask for a 'yes' vote. I think it’s responsible."

"Representative Rose for two minutes."

Speaker Lang: "The Chair is in the possession of a Mo… written Motion by Representative Mulligan to table this Bill. And on that question, the Chair recognizes Representative Mulligan."

"This is a nondebatable Motion. Those in favor of the motion shall vote ‘yes’; opposed ‘no’. The voting 09600141.doc 69  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 141st Legislative Day 5/25/2010 is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Please the take the record. On this question, there are 47 voting ‘yes’, 70 voting ‘no’. And the Lady's Motion fails. Representative Currie to close."

"Thank you, Speaker and Members of the House. We have shown we can’t cut $3.8 billion; we have shown we cannot raise 3.7 million… billion in new revenue. That means we are stuck with borrowing. There are two ways to borrow. We can borrow the way we proposed to do in Senate Bill 3514. Borrow the money and give that money to the pension systems or we can borrow for 35 years by taking a hike on our responsibilities to fund the pensions. To do that is going to cost the taxpayers at least $20 billion over that 35 years. The pension systems tells us they will start selling assets in a terrible market. The bill could be well more then $20 billion. So, the question isn’t borrow or don’t borrow, the question is do we borrow and cost the taxpayers 1 billion or do we borrow and charge them $20 billion. I would say that choice is clear. I urge your ‘yes’ vote."

"Those in favor of the passage of the Bill shall vote ‘yes’; those opposed ‘no’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Please take the record. On this question, there are 71 voting ‘yes’ and 44 voting ‘no’. Can we get some order in the chamber, please? And Representative Reis has asked for a verification of this vote. And the Gentleman… please read the affirmative, Mr. Clerk." 09600141.doc 70  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 141st Legislative Day 5/25/2010

"Mr. Reis."

"Gentleman withdraws his Motion. The Chair is in receipt of Motion by Representative Fritchey. Having moved on the… voted on the prevailing side, he moves to reconsider the vote by which this Bill passed. The Chair recognizes Representative Currie on that Motion."

"I… I ask that that Motion lie on the table."

Speaker Lang: "Lady moves to table that… Motion by Mr. Fritchey. Those in favor shall say ‘yes’; opposed ‘no’. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. And Mr. Fritchey’s Motion is tabled. The Chair recognizes Mr. Stephens."

"On page 6 of the Calendar, under the Order of Senate Bills-Second Reading, appears Senate Bill 3660. Representative Currie. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"Representative Currie."

"Please withdraw Amendment 3."

"Amendment 3 is withdrawn. Mr. Clerk."

"Representative Currie."

"Which Amendment are we on, please? I withdrew Amendment 3."

"Mr. Clerk, did you say 9?"

"Representative Currie on Floor Amendment #9."

"Okay. I'm sorry. Thank you. This is the Emergency Budget Act and what we do in this Amendment is pretty much what we saw in the original Amendment 2, Senate Bill 3660. And that is we provide that we should pay old bills. We 09600141.doc 72  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 141st Legislative Day 5/25/2010 provide for contingency reserves for the Governor with respect to the agencies under his control. We make all programs subject to appropriation. We give the Governor emergency rulemaking powers until the 9th of January 2011. We extend the lapse period to the end of this calendar year. We provide that this Act takes precedence over others. We establish furlough days provisions; 12 days during the next fiscal year for Members of the General Assembly, for Constitutional Officers, directors, and assistant directors of all state agencies. We permit interfund borrowing until the beginning… to the early 2011. We securitize half of the tobacco settlement fund and we suspend the pension payment for one year. And that's what's in Amendment 9. And I'd appreciate your support."

"Lady moves for the adoption of the Amendment. The Chair recognizes Representative Eddy for two minutes."

"Lady yields."

"I would intend to withdraw Amendment 10."

"Twenty… Yes. And…"

"December 31, 2010 and that was in the original… original Amendment to the Bill."

"It does."

"Yes."

"What that means is that half of the tobacco fund money that we get under the master settlement agreement we will… we will securitize half of it. Which means that we will be able to realize significant dollars that will be available for us today, rather than waiting until those moneys comes in over the long-haul."

"But we are not taking all of it. That’s going to be half of it, it’s $1.2 million this year."

"Yes, and some of those moneys we have actually paid off. That is, we made commitments with the tobacco money and some of those commitments have, in fact, been retired."

"Well, my understanding is that the actuaries, the experts, have looked at this Amendment and they believe we can do it."

"Mr. Eddy, please bring you remarks to a close, Sir."

"No."

"No. No."

"Mr. Black for two minutes."

"State your inquiry, Sir."

"Mr. Black, the Chair will take your request under advisement. The parliamentarian will read through 09600141.doc 75  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 141st Legislative Day 5/25/2010 what he needs to… to get you an answer. May I proceed with other members who wish to speak to the Bill?"

Speaker Lang: "Thank you. Chair recognizes Representative Watson for two minutes."

"Lady yields."

"I think fairly soon and that's why we have been uncertain whether we’re talking about a 3.7, a 3.8, or a 4 billion dollar payment. We believe that… we started out anticipating that it would be a little over 4 billion, but after we make changes in the pension system, substantive changes in pension benefits going forward, we believe that the pension analyst will come down with a lower sum of money."

"It will be the actuaries from each of the five pension systems."

"September 30 of this year."

"We hope so, but if it isn’t, this language provides that if we oversell then the oversold money will be… will revert to the General Revenue Fund. If we undersell then we will, enable pension systems to make up the difference from general revenues."

"Pardon me."

"I think that was in Senate Bill 3514, which was just approved by this chamber."

"Representative Mulligan for two minutes."

"Lady yields."

"I don’t have the full list with me, but I do know that some of the items that we had funded, some of the health facilities, for example, much of those dollars have already been paid off."

"We're only securitizing a portion of the tobacco settlement money."

"The portion is about half and it’s only for a 17-year period."

"In the first places, I said many of the programs we have finished funding. Other programs, of course, can be supported out of General Revenue Funds as easily as they can be out of tobacco settlement proceeds."

"Representative Poe for two minutes."

"Lady yields."

"Oh, yeah, okay. So, we do give the Governor, as we did with Governor Edgar, when we were in a difficult fiscal situation some years ago. I think we did the same with Governor Thompson before him. What we give this Governor is, for a limited period of time, the opportunity to reserve moneys under… of the agencies under his control. We 09600141.doc 78  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 141st Legislative Day 5/25/2010 also say that he can do emergency rulemaking until the early part of January in 2011. We extend the lapse period to give more flexibility to us in paying our bills. We permit interfund borrowing, and we require the Governor to take furlough days along with the rest of us."

"No."

"I believe not, Representative."

"It does not."

"It does not. There had been an Amendment offered that did not… that was withdrawn that might have raised that… the specter that the Governor, under that language, could have changed benefits, but I don’t think there's anything here."

"Please bring your remarks to a close, Mr. Poe."

"All… all that says is this Act is the superior Act if there is conflict. But nothing in the emergency powers we give the Governor under this Act tells him that he can change benefit levels, copayments, set rates, any of those kinds of things. What this says is that he can hold back money so that, if there isn’t cash to support appropriations, he doesn’t need to spend it right now but it does not take away the responsibility ultimately to pay the bill."

"Yes. Thank you."

"Mr. Black. Mr. Black, the parliamentarian now has a response to your inquiry. Mr. Ellis."

"Mr Black."

"Mr. Black, have you completed your remarks?"

"The Lady yields."

"Actually, that’s not in this Amendment, Representative, and although that would have been in Amendment 10, I believe we are withdrawing Amendment 10."

"Actually, what this says is that right now for some salaries the Comptroller is supposed to cut a check to the pension system when cutting a check to an employee for 09600141.doc 81  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 141st Legislative Day 5/25/2010 payroll and this only says that the Comptroller need not cut that pension check when paying the payroll check."

"It would be done separately. So, it’s not a question of the money not coming out."

"That will continue going to the system."

"This will not abrogate our responsibility to continue with the ordinary funding of the systems that we do. What this… what the issue has been about is the question whether in addition to the ordinary expenses of payroll and the moneys that go to the pension system, we should make an additional above and beyond $3.8 billion contribution to the pension systems in fiscal year '11."

"Mr. Black, your time has expired. Please bring your remarks to a close, Sir."

"We aren’t. That is not in this Amendment, Representative.

"I believe that would be… I believe that’s Amendment 10 and I believe…"

"Well, what I’m looking at, I believe, does not do what you're suggesting. I think that has to do with saying that the Comptroller can separate out those two funding streams. That’s all that does."

"Right, right."

"Well, in the first place we don’t give the Governor the authority to bypass laws and rules. What this says is that the items that we provide in this legislation; for example, giving him the authority to reserve appropriations, that last for a limited period of time, but nothing in this Amendment says that there are substantive powers that the Governor has to overcome other laws that are already on the books." 09600141.doc 83  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 141st Legislative Day 5/25/2010

"We’ve heard from the Governor’s people that around 300 million might be a saving that can be attributed to this."

"Mr. Black, I’ve given you significant extra time, Sir."

"Mr. Reis, two minutes."

"Lady yields."

"It’s going to be for each Constitutional Officer, for each Member of the General Assembly, for every agency director and assistant director under the Governor's control. There will be 6 furlough days in the first half of the fiscal year and 6 in the second. So, a total of 12 furlough days for each of those groups; us, the constitutionals, agency directors, and assistant directors."

"For… for the General Assembly, it's based on one out of 365 days and for the Constitutional Officers one out of 261." 09600141.doc 84  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 141st Legislative Day 5/25/2010

"I believe that we’re calculated on the basis of 365 days this year. I think it amounts, Representative, to about a 5 percent pay cut. And that’s I think what we were looking at during the current fiscal year and will anticipate the same in the next fiscal year."

"Well, what it means is, if there's no money appropriated for a program, the program is suspended."

"Well, that’s pretty much halfway through the fiscal year, so we were trying to be cautious and careful. We’re giving the Governor a chance to see how this works and if we don’t feel that he’s behaved, responsibly, we might not want to extend the authority into the second half of the fiscal year."

"I don’t have the current language in front of me, but I don’t believe that you're right."

"Well, we can check, but I believe that it’s 365 and let me remind you, there are later Amendments in which we are going to cause ourselves not a little grief, reducing the auto reimbursement and also… Oh, yeah and we're going to significantly cut the per diem for Members of the General Assembly and of course, we will deny to ourselves a cost of living adjustment in the… in fiscal 2011."

"Representative Cole for two minutes."

"Representative Mulligan for two minutes."

"Mr. Moffitt for two minutes."

"Lady yields."

"No. No, but there are protections for all funds in that the balances cannot be below, after the borrowing, of what they were required to spend in the previous fiscal year. 09600141.doc 87  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 141st Legislative Day 5/25/2010 All of the money plus interest must be paid back within 18 months. So, the protection is that none of these funds will find itself without the ability to meet the responsibilities for which it was created."

"Very different and very much circumscribed, as I say, by the requirement that the funds have available resources after the borrowing that will enable them to meet their responsibilities."

"Absolutely, you have my full assurance."

"Right."

"Those in favor of the adoption of the Amendment shall say ‘yes’; those opposed ‘no’. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. And the Amendment is adopted. Mr. Clerk."

"Representative Currie withdraws Amendment 10. Is that correct?"

"12… 12. I want to withdraw 10 and 11 is tabled. Yes."

"Representative Currie withdraws Amendment #10. Mr. Clerk."

"Representative Sente."

"Thank you. The path to restore our state budget mess will not be an easy one. We’ve been talking all evening about three choices: cut the budget, raise taxes, or borrow and yet we need more. We need an entirely new approach to budgeting because our process is flawed. It will certainly take us several years to recover entirely from a $13 billion deficit. The silver lining in this time of crisis is that we can’t continue with business as usual. This dark period affords us a unique opportunity to work together, to erase are preconceived ideas, to view with a broader lens and take a fresh approach at how we prepare the budget. The goal of my Amendment is to abandon a broken budgeting method that starts with last year’s numbers and embrace a new outcome based method that focuses on the results our citizens value. The Amendment's FY11 changes start with increased transparency, the distribution of quarterly financial statements to the public, General Assembly, and Comptroller. The statements will be designed in an easy- to-read format including each revenue type, all expenditures and totaled to show a deficit and hopefully, one day, surplus balance. This immediate change allows 09600141.doc 89  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 141st Legislative Day 5/25/2010 everyone to monitor the state’s progress. The Amendment’s long-term reform focuses on accountability for each dollar spent through budgeting for outcome. This is how successful businesses do their budgeting and if we are to also be successful, the State of Illinois needs to change its budgetary process. This ground-up budget approach projects realistic total revenues, establishes annual priorities, allocates spending based upon priorities, reengages the Appropriations Committees in the role they were designed for, regularly measures results and closes the spending- loop by adjusting future years appropriations based on proven results. We infuse some creativity into the budget process through our results teams and we look for ways to obtain higher yield, prevent larger future cost, and eliminate ineffective programs. The Amendment’s goal is to obtain better results for the price of government. Happy to take questions."

Speaker Lang: "The Lady moves for the adoption of the Amendment. And on that question, the Chair recognizes Representative Bassi for two minutes."

"It would be my suggestion you wait 'til Third Reading. Amendment 9 has already been adopted; Amendment 10 was withdrawn."

"Thank you. Mr. Moffitt for two minutes."

"Those in favor of the adoption of the Amendment shall say ‘yes’; those opposed say ‘no’. In the opinion of the Chair, the ‘ayes’ have it. And the Amendment is adopted. Mr. Clerk."

"Who’s the Sponsor of that Amendment?"

"Representative Jakobsson on Amendment 14." 09600141.doc 91  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 141st Legislative Day 5/25/2010

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Amendment #14 requires that the state agencies review existing contracts. It also states that state agencies should modify or terminate and rebid contracts when in the agencies' best interest. We believe that by doing this… first of all, Illinois has over $2 billion in contracts in effect for 2011, and by reviewing these contracts making sure that they are still needed, they shouldn't… should be renewed, maybe some of them should not be renewed, they should be at least renegotiated, rebid, we could save $300 million. I would like to urge people to adopt this."

"Lady moves for the adoption of the Amendment. On that question, the Chair recognizes Representative Mulligan for two minutes."

"Lady yields."

"These are procurement contracts, Representative."

"Mr. Black for two minutes." 09600141.doc 92  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 141st Legislative Day 5/25/2010

"Lady yields."

"I believe that’s all of the above, Representative."

"Representative, I’m listening to you, but you know, in these times, very often these contracts are just renewed without even any review. So, we want to make sure that they do have review, that they are negotiated for… or rebid."

"That can be done by rules."

"Those in favor of the Amendment shall say ‘yes'; opposed ‘no’. In the opinion of the Chair the ‘ayes’ have it. And the Amendment is adopted. Mr. Clerk."

"Representative Farnham on Amendment 17."

"Amendment 17 amends Senate Bill 3660 by inserting Article 30 in its proper numeric sequence. Notwithstanding any other provision for fiscal year 2011 only, the allowance for lodging and means is $111 per day and mileage for automobile travel shall be reimbursed at a rate of 39 cents per mile. Any questions?"

"Those in favor of the Amendment shall say, ‘yes’ those opposed ‘no’. In the opinion of the Chair, the ‘ayes’ have it. And the Amendment is adopted. Mr. Black, you were a little late on the trigger."

"No, Sir. Mr. Clerk."

"Mr. Black, the Amendment's been adopted, but if you insist, I'll allow you to ask your question."

"Mr. Farnham, please answer Mr. Black’s question when he asks it."

"Excuse me. Mr. Clerk, please put Amendment 17 back on the board even though it's been adopted."

"We're just doing this for one year, Representative Black."

"Yes. We're changing it as this regards State Law for one year not federal."

"This Amendment's already been adopted. Mr. Clerk, Amendment 18. Mr. Walker. Mr. Walker."

"Thank you. Amendment 18… Listen up, this is our salaries we’re talking about. This Amendment 18 for the General Assembly Constitutional Officers and state's 09600141.doc 95  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 141st Legislative Day 5/25/2010 attorneys will not have a cost-of-Living adjustment in fiscal '11."

Speaker Lang: "Gentleman moves for the adoption of the Amendment. Chair recognizes Representative Eddy."

"Gentleman yields."

"It covers the Members of the General Assembly, state's attorneys, other than their county supplement, elected Executive Branch Constitutional Officers, and persons appointed to certain offices of state and govern… of State Government. Yeah."

"I would… I don’t know precisely the answer, but I would expect that if they were to do a cost-of-living adjustment and they are one of these officers and they did not receive it, that would affect the calculation."

"And the answer, as I understand it… Yes. In the case where fiscal year '11 was your last year of employment and 09600141.doc 96  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 141st Legislative Day 5/25/2010 you then retire, you did not receive a COLA, that COLA would not be calculated in your pension."

"Can I take this out of the record just for a second and make sure of the answer."

"Take the Amendment out of the record momentary, but we'll leave this Bill on the board. Representative Mulligan, for what reason do you wave?"

"Mr. Leitch, your light is on. Was that to ask Mr. Walker a question on his Amendment, Sir?"

"That will be granted, Sir."

"House will be in order. Mr. Clerk, Rules Report."

"Returning to the place we were, Representative Walker on Amendment 18 on Senate Bill 3660. Mr. Walker to close."

"Yes. In response to the inquiries, it appears that this Bill… this Amendment would… is about the adjustment that we will not receive in this period. The decisions of the pension board related to the pensions and how that's treated is up to them and part of a different Section. I would move adoption of this Amendment."

Speaker Lang: "Those in favor of the Amendment shall vote ‘yes’; those opposed vote ‘no’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Colvin, Turner. Please take the record. On 09600141.doc 98  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 141st Legislative Day 5/25/2010 this question, 117 voting ‘yes’, 0 voting ‘no’. And the Amendment is adopted. Mr. Clerk."

"Representative Currie."

"Thank you, Speaker and Members of the House. With appreciation to Representative Reis and his eagle eyed staff, this Amendment does, in fact, correct a drafting error so that the… the furlough days that the Members of General Assembly take will be based on 261 rather than 365 days. That, in fact, is the measure that we will use during the current fiscal year and it will be the measure we use in the next. I would appreciate your ‘aye’ vote."

"Those in favor of the Amendment shall say ‘yes’; opposed ‘no’. In the opinion of the Chair, the ‘ayes’ have it. And the Amendment is adopted. Mr. Clerk."

Speaker Lang: "Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"Representative Currie."

"Thank you, Speaker and Members of the House. This is the Emergency Budget Implementation Act… I'm sorry… the Emergency Budget Act giving some additional authority to the Governor, providing some improvements reforms in the way the budget process works. Making sure that the government… that the government reviews existing contracts in hopes of saving, perhaps, as much as $300 million. It 09600141.doc 99  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 141st Legislative Day 5/25/2010 provides further that the mileage amount reimbursed to Members of the General Assembly will be 39 cents rather than 50 in the coming fiscal year. There will be no cost- of-living adjustment for Members of the General Assembly, the Constitutional Officers or the directors of state agencies. And finally the per diem will be reduced to $111 for Members of the General Assembly during the coming fiscal year. I'd be happy to answer your questions. And I hope that you will all vote for this excellent piece of legislation."

"Lady Moves for the passage of the Bill. And on that question, the Chair recognizes Representative Eddy for two minutes."

"Lady yields."

"17, 18, and 19… and 19…"

"…and 19. Right. Right."

"Thank you."

"Representative Mulligan for two minutes."

"Mr. Black for two minutes."

"State your inquiry."

"That’s not a question for the Clerk, Mr. Black."

"You have an inquiry of the Sponsor?" 09600141.doc 101  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 141st Legislative Day 5/25/2010

Speaker Lang: "I'm certain Representative Currie would go through that for you."

"I'd be happy to."

"Well, it depends on what portion. For example, when it comes to tobacco securitization, that's 17 years. When it comes to lapse period spending, that’s to the end of December of 2010. When it comes to contingency reserves for the Governor or emergency rulemaking powers, interfund borrowing, that lasts until the 9th of January 2011. On the other hand, the Governor has 18 months to pay back funds that he might have borrowed from during this six-month interval. So, the prohibition on a cost-of-living adjustment for Members of the General Assembly will apply for the entire fiscal year that begins July 1, so will the reduction in per diem payment to Members of the General Assembly and so will the limitation on mileage reimbursement from 50 cents to 39 cents."

"It goes until the 9th of January 2011."

"Approximately six months into the fiscal year."

"Correct."

"Actually, as far as I know they're not even here today."

"But with luck they will be here tomorrow. I have no agreement with anybody in the Senate, but there has been discussion back and forth with the Governor’s Office, with the caucuses and I would certainly hope they would approve our action."

"Representative Bassi for two minutes."

"Sponsor yields." 09600141.doc 103  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 141st Legislative Day 5/25/2010

"I wouldn’t read it that way at all. I think what it says is if there is not an appropriation then a program may not be funded and may not operate until funding becomes available."

"No, I don’t read it that way at all. He can’t use money from here to pay bills over there. He does have the opportunity to reserve dollars that have been appropriated to state agencies, but that's different from saying that he can take dollars that were appropriated from one program and spend them someplace else."

"No. But it… what it says is if there isn’t an appropriation, he need not spend the money that isn’t there for a particular program."

"Except to the extend that he could also reserve dollars that have been appropriated."

"I couldn’t tell you. It’s the Governor’s Office that ask for the authority to borrow to make the pension payments and I think that's exactly what they will do."

"Representative Franks for two minutes."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'm sitting here and I'm thinking that our new state motto could be government, if you think that our problems we create are bad, you just wait until you see are solutions. Our state is insolvent and if it were a bank, it would be seized and if it were a company that we regulated, it would be closed down. Ronald Reagan was right when he said that government is not the solution to our problem; in this case, government is the problem. Illinois was recently rank the worst in the country by Forbes in their financial rankings because of our state liabilities, our tax revenues and our employment prospects. Two years ago, Illinois had 5.1 million private sector jobs and now we are down to 4.7 million private sector jobs. Our unemployment rate is 11 percent; our 09600141.doc 105  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 141st Legislative Day 5/25/2010 underemployment rate is approaching 18 percent and with a dwindling private sector, we simply can’t spend so much money because there are so many fewer people to carry the load. And even some who are gainfully employed don’t pay taxes. Some statistics show that 47 percent of our citizens don’t pay taxes. Now, we have boards and commissions that are being paid hundreds of thousands of dollars for little or no work. The hate crimes commission hasn’t met for years, yet they have an executive director making six figures. It’s a do-nothing job that the administration refuses to cut. Now, the recent audit of the All Kids Program shows that the state lost million of dollars due to poor management, yet there's been no correction to that management. Over one year ago, we had a hearing concerning the soft drink contracts for the state. At that time, the Governor’s Office said that the contracts would be nullified within two weeks and sent out for a bid to get the best return. Still nothing has happened. Never before in the history of our great state have so many been taken for so much and left with so little. We are in a fiscal disaster, one that is man-made. It's as serious as the oil spill in the Gulf. It is a disaster that we created and one that we need to repair. Now…"

"Bring your remarks to close, Sir."

"I need some… few moments. I think the time for politics is long passed and we have an obligation to make hard decisions to cut the budget where necessary. We must not give this Governor or any Governor the unbridled power that they're asking for. Now, it may take us all summer, but 09600141.doc 106  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 141st Legislative Day 5/25/2010 it’s worth it and I don’t fear the Minority Party's involvement, rather I welcome it 'cause this is one of those golden moments of our history, one of those opportunities which may come and go but which rarely returns. I respectfully ask for a ‘no’ vote on this very dangerous and ill-advised Bill."

"Representative Durkin for two minutes."

"Lady yields."

"No."

"Representative Stephens for two minutes."

"Mr. Franks rejects the time."

"He’s not interested in…"

"…he's not interested in your time, Sir. Those in favor of the Bill shall vote ‘yes’; those opposed ‘no’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Colvin. DeLuca. Please take the record. On this question, there are 67 voting ‘yes’, 50 voting ‘no’. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared 09600141.doc 107  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 141st Legislative Day 5/25/2010 passed. On page 8 of the Calendar, under the Order of Concurrence, appears House Bill 859. Representative Currie."

"Thank you very much, Speaker and Members of the House. This would be a Motion to Concur with Senate Amendments 1, 2, 3, 6, and 7, to House Bill 859. This is basically the budget Bill for fiscal '11. It is very much reflective of spending in fiscal 2… 2010 expect that there is a 5 percent cut in the operations of state agencies. When it comes to federal funds and other funds, they are very much as they were in the Governor’s introduced budget. I'd be happy to answer your specific questions, but rather than go through the entire Bill, I think we'll leave it as basically the blueprint is what we're spending this year except that we are making 5 percent across the board cuts in the operations of state agencies. Be happy to answer your questions."

"The Lady moves to concur with Senate Amendments 1, 2, 3, 6, 7, and 8. And on that question, the Chair recognizes Representative Eddy."

"Lady yields."

"We believe 26.2 billion."

"It is down and I was going to say down by about 300 million, but I think it's closer to 400 million." 09600141.doc 108  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 141st Legislative Day 5/25/2010

"Because of some of the provisions in the Emergency Budget Act, the securitization of the tobacco settlement money, the interfund borrowing, we believe that there will be a good match between these revenues and these revenue projections and… the revenues we anticipate will be available."

"No. There's no fund sweeps. Interfund borrowing is the preferred term."

"Representative, our job is to have a balanced budget, and we think we are meeting that test with this measure and the other measures including the budget… the Emergency Budget Act, and including some measures we haven’t yet addressed, for example, tax amnesty."

"I believe that’s right."

"They're down 320 million, but they're… first of all, there is another Bill. The… Senate Bill 44 which already 09600141.doc 109  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 141st Legislative Day 5/25/2010 has passed the Senate. Should we pass that Bill, it would provide for an increase in the tobacco tax and the receipts from that new revenue would be used to fund mandated categoricals to about the tune of $320 million."

"That could also happen, but it would make clear in the Amendment to Senate Bill 44 that that would provide for full funding of the mandated categoricals."

"Mr. Eddy, your time has expired. Can you complete your remarks, Sir?"

"Mr. Reis is going to give you two additional minutes, Sir."

"It would be 327 million less; I don’t have that percentage."

"Other grants are not affected. We’re doing other grants at the levels that… as the Governor introduced his budget. I’m sorry, FY10, FY10." 09600141.doc 110  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 141st Legislative Day 5/25/2010

"Yes."

"Correct."

"It's entirely in your hands, Representative. I’m counting on your support."

"For the school kids, for the school kids, Representative?"

"I didn’t choose."

"Let me just point out, this a concurrence Motion with Senate Amendments. So, perhaps when they come back tomorrow, you can address the question to them."

"Mr. Franks two minutes."

"I need some help with the math, Majority Leader. This will cut around $400 million from the budget, correct?"

"Yes."

"Okay. And we just agreed to borrow $4 billon, correct?"

"Yes."

"Okay. And our… and we’re going to get about 1.2 billion out of securitization of the tobacco?"

"That’s right."

"So, that’s… and then we’re also… we’ll probably sweep those funds. You said that's a loan."

"It’s not a sweep. It’s an interfund borrowing. The money must be paid back with interest within 18 months."

"We have no idea how we're going to do that though."

"And there are limitations, limitations on what… on what must be left within the fund."

"No, I understand."

"Yes."

"I’m not sure we’ll ever get them paid back, but my question is how much can be borrowed? We’ll use that term."

"The Governor’s Office projects about a billion dollars but we won’t know until we see what’s actually in the funds, as the year progresses."

"So, if we use the Governor's num… numbers of borrowing a billon for the fund and securitizing the tobacco at 1.2, 09600141.doc 112  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 141st Legislative Day 5/25/2010 that’s 2.2, and then we cut 400, that’s 2.6, and then we borrowed 4. We’ll be at 6.6, correct, in additional revenues and cuts."

"Right."

"Okay."

"And you’ll remember Representative that we will owe at the end of this fiscal year at least $6 billion in unpaid bills."

"You just anticipated my next question. We’re told there’s a $13 billion deficit yet we’re only cutting 6.6, where do we get the other 6.4 to close the hole?"

"And I think one way we're doing that is by not paying those Bills. Although in the budget imp… the budget… Emergency Budget Act which you did not support we do suggest to the Governor that his first priority ought to be paying the old bills. I was sorry we didn't have your support for that since that was I thought…"

"Right."

"…one of your priorities."

"But there's still going to be $6 billion in unpaid bills. I mean, what we're basically saying is we're going to defer $6.4 billion and we're still going to keep that structural problem. Would that be correct?"

"Unless the economy improves, yes and I do think the economy will improve. I think we will see stronger receipts in the coming fiscal year, so I’m hopeful that… that the situation will not be nearly as dire on May 25, 2011 as it is on May 25, 2010." 09600141.doc 113  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 141st Legislative Day 5/25/2010

"If I could briefly just go to the Bill, I promise it will be very quick."

"You can do that, Sir."

"Thank you. So, I appreciate the candor and the answers here and we understand that there’s been some movement especially with the borrowing, but there's still a $6.4 billion hole no matter how you look at it because what we're saying is we're not going to pay those bills. And I'm going to rise then and I'm going to vote against this budget because we have a Constitutional Amendment and a constitutional requirement to have balanced budgets. This is not balanced; we know there's a $6.4 billion hole in it. We can't in good conscience vote for this. We should be spending time on the budget cuts. I appreciate the efforts of the Majority Leader and others, but we haven’t got our job done here, folks. If you vote for this, you're voting against the constitutional requirement of a balanced budget. I urge a ‘no’ vote."

"Representative Mulligan for two minutes."

"Representative Washington for two minutes."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I just want to… to the Bill. I just want to say this is a good piece of legislation and of course, there's no perfect Bill. You know, Representative Franks, you know, I love you dearly, but you know, sometimes you go overboard to me. You know, but I just want to say there's no perfect Bill on an extreme set of circumstances that we face and I know everybody is working as hard as they possibility can to come up with what we can because of the time and the other factors involved in that. And I urge an 'aye' vote. Thank you."

"Those in favor of the Bill shall vote ‘yes’; opposed ‘no’. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Brady, Colvin, Feigenholtz, Fritchey, Osterman. Please take the record. On this question, there are 66 voting ‘yes’, 50 voting ‘no’. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Mr. Clerk, on page 6 of the Calendar, under the Order of Senate Bills-Second Reading, there appears Senate Bill 3662. Please read the Bill."

"Majority Leader Currie."

"Thank you, Speaker and Members of the House. This Amendment would include the provisions of the Budget Implementations Act of the coming fiscal year. This is the substantive language that will make possible the working of the budget in the coming year. Most of the provisions here are not new, that is to say we see them almost every year; for example, increased flexibility for the distribution of Medicaid funds in the Department of Healthcare and Family Services; for example, a freeze on nursing home and long- term care DD rates, certain GRF expenditures to individual funds. We do this also on pretty much an everyday basis. One thing that is new is that we are saying that if somebody is a frequent vender to the State of Illinois the state should wait to send them a check until they've accumulated $50 worth of refunds and we've also reserved a smaller amount of money for individual income tax refunds. We think based on this year that this number is reasonable, but it will help free up some additional spending authority. I'd be happy to answer your specific questions and I hope you'll give us support for passage of this Amendment and then Senate Bill 3662."

"Lady moves for the adoption of Amendment 3. And on that question, the Chair recognizes Representative Sullivan for two minutes."

"Lady yields." 09600141.doc 116  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 141st Legislative Day 5/25/2010

"Yeah. Right now the board that makes decisions about what goes on in the Capitol, what kind of construction, what kind of maintenance is made up of the two secretaries: the Secretary and Assistant Secretary of the Senate and the Clerk and the Assistant Clerk of the House. That means there are four people who are making the determination and sometimes those four people may come to an impasse. There may be a tie and what this provides is that the Architect of the Capitol would be able to cast a tiebreaking vote."

"It could present a problem and since the Architect of the Capitol has a special expertise in terms of planning."

"Actually, I can’t answer the question, but as a hypothetical it certainly could be a problem."

"You know, I think the selection doesn’t change. I think there still is a nonpartisan selection of the Capitol architect, but what happens under this provision is that if there's an impasse on what should happen next, the Architect of the Capitol is able to cast a tiebreaking vote."

"This doesn’t change the selection process for the Architect of the Capitol. So, I don’t see any reason to think anybody is beholden to anybody, but it does establish a clearer procedure in the event of an impasse for breaking that tie."

"I think there’ve been a variety of plans having to do with some of the portions in the Capitol that have not yet been restored as has, for example, this House chamber. There are offices that are in need of help with their heating and air-conditioning systems. So, I think there still are lots of issues for Capitol maintenance and Capitol construction."

"Mr. Sullivan…"

"Thank you, Sir. I appreciate it. The Chair recognizes Representative Connelly for two minutes. Representative Connelly has changed his mind. Representative Mautino for two minutes."

"Thank you. Just a question of the Sponsor."

"Lady yields."

"Majority Leader Currie, could you give a little bit more detail, go into a little more detail on the prompt payment Section within the Bill itself."

"The idea is that the vendors really don’t want to be sent a check for $1.22. So the idea is that when a vender is owed a refund, is owed money from the State Comptroller, that that money should accumulate and when it reaches as much as $50, it’s worth the comptroller's time and money to cut the check and it’s worth the recipient’s time and money to cash it. Now, at the end of any given fiscal year, checks will be sent out even if they don’t reach the level 09600141.doc 119  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 141st Legislative Day 5/25/2010 of $50, but the idea is to save cost in the Comptroller’s Office, also make for easier bookkeeping for the vendors who are getting the repayment by aggregating the moneys that are owed until they reach a particular point."

"Thank you."

"Mr. Fritchey for two minutes."

"Thank you, Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"Lady yields."

"I just have a question with respect to one provision here, just so I understand it. It says that this allows the State Board of Education, with approval from GOMB and consultation with the Comptroller, to transfer appropriations from mandatory categoricals from GRF to the Education Assistance Fund. Does this mean that there will be a diversion of mandatory categorical dollars?"

"Pardon me? Say again."

"Does this mean that there will be a diversion of mandatory category… of dollars from mandatory categoricals?"

"Yes. So… yeah. In order to make sure that you don’t short one categorical but you got too much money in another categorical line, this gives the State Board of Education the opportunity to balance out those levels of appropriation."

"All right. But nothing in here would result in a overall reduction…"

"No…"

"…in the amount of money to mandatory categoricals?"

"No, not at all." 09600141.doc 120  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 141st Legislative Day 5/25/2010

"Okay. That's all I wanted to know. Thank you."

"Representative Eddy for two minutes."

"Lady yields."

"This is… this Bill, as I understand it, is silent on the hold harmless."

"That's a separate Bill. This is… this really… it does not deal with the hold harmless. The only… besides the mandated categorical transfers which we just discussed, as I understand it, the only other issue is that if the State Board of Education's appropriations are not adequate to meet the full funding that they anticipated they would be able to do, they will do a prorated general state aid payment. So, today they prorate the poverty grant first, this would just say all of the general state aid payments will be prorated in the event of the shortfall." 09600141.doc 121  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 141st Legislative Day 5/25/2010

"We think that may free up about $92 million and we believe that this will not underfund refunds for individuals in the next tax year."

"Well, that… that could happen, but you know, one of our staffers was telling me that he filed his income tax return electronically and he got his refund three days later. And also I should mention that the corporate refund account is the same in this current budget as it is… in the next budget as it is in the current."

"This only delays legislation we recently adopted that said that any of our payments to the pension system would be over and above what they actuarially said they needed. So we’re delaying the implementation of that Act for one year."

"Mr. Eddy, your time has expired. Do you need more time, Sir?"

"You can have that."

"No, it just maintains current law for one year."

"Right. Right. That’s right."

"Mr. McCarthy."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"Lady yields."

"Representative, I was listening to Representative Mautino’s question, did that eliminate the retail merchants' opposition to the Bill?"

"Yes."

"Thank you."

"Mr. Black."

"Lady yields."

"Right."

"Right. And the language that we’re adopting today does not raise that specter, the pharmacists, the retail merchants are very comfortable with the language as drafted."

"Exactly."

"Fifty dollars."

"Fifty dollars."

"So once… once they've accumulated $50 in interest…"

"…payments, then the check is cut, but at the end of a fiscal year even if it's only $25, the Comptroller will cut the check."

"Those in favor of the adoption of the Amendment shall say 'yes'; opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. And the Amendment is adopted. Mr. Clerk."

"Third Reading. Please read the Bill."

"Representative Currie." 09600141.doc 124  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 141st Legislative Day 5/25/2010

"Thank you. The Amendment became the Bill. I'd appreciate your 'aye' votes."

"Those in favor of the Bill shall vote 'yes'; opposed 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Brauer, Mr. Durkin. Please take the record. On this question, there are 69 voting 'yes', 48 voting 'no'. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Mr. Black, for what reason do you rise, Sir?"

"Mr. Black, I have your Motion. Do you wish to read it, Sir?"

"Please do."

"The Chair recognizes Representative Currie on Mr. Black's Motion."

"Thank you very much, Speaker. Painful, though it is for me, I find I must object to the Gentlemen's Motion."

Speaker Lang: "And the Chair is going to presume you are objecting to the Motion as to each item on his Motion. Is that correct?"

"Absolutely, the whole shebang."

"Since… the Chair rules that since this requires unanimous consent and since you don't have unanimous consent, the Motion fails. Mr. Black." 09600141.doc 126  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 141st Legislative Day 5/25/2010

"The question is, 'Shall the Chair be sustained?' Those in favor shall vote 'yes'; those opposed vote 'no'. 09600141.doc 129  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 141st Legislative Day 5/25/2010 The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Brauer, Franks, May. Mr. Clerk, please take the record. On this question, there are 68 voting 'yes', 48 voting 'no'. And the Chair is sustained. On page 4 of the Calendar, under the Order of Senate Bills- Second Reading, appears Senate Bill 375. Representative Walker. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"Mr. Walker."

"House Amendment 2 becomes the Bill. This is the Bill about managing renewals in the procurement process. I'd like to get that Amendment adopted, and then moved to Third Reading."

"The Gentleman moves for the adoption of the Amendment. On that question, the Chair recognizes Representative Eddy."

"Gentleman yields."

"Yes. There is another reform Bill in the procurement process, Senate Bill 3576, that had other Sections as well as this. I prefer to move this… that has passed both Houses, is on the Governor's desk. I would live… like to 09600141.doc 130  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 141st Legislative Day 5/25/2010 give the Governor the opportunity to focus on this as one item and to pass it and sign it."

"Yeah. The issue… the issue is that there's no guarantee that the entire comprehensive Bill will pass, but I want to make sure that this passes."

"Floor Amendment 2 on this Bill is the Bill."

"It becomes the Bill."

"…of Senate Bill 375. The language in this Bill was included in a different Bill that had many other Sections as well. So, I want to give the Governor the opportunity…"

"…of passing this, even if he does… chooses not to sign the other."

"Not especially. I just want to… want to make sure that this goes forward."

"That's correct. And I… I believe this is a very important idea."

"I am… I can't predict what the Governor's going to do with it…"

"…and I'm not making an assumption."

"Those in favor of the Amendment shall say 'yes'; opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. And the Amendment is adopted. Mr. Clerk."

"Third Reading. Please read the Bill."

"Mr. Walker."

"Yes. Senate Bill 375 is a update and clarification of an improvement of last year's procurement Bill. It covers 09600141.doc 132  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 141st Legislative Day 5/25/2010 the area of renewals, renewals of procurement contracts and other contracts that are over $250 thousand. It requires that they be submitted to the Procurement Policy Board, that the policy board has 30 days to respond. The policy board can demand a hearing, if they wish, and then they will go through the regular procurement process without an objection from the Procurement Policy Board. Then the procurement officer in the given division can go forward with the renewal. This answers some of the questions brought up previous today, about these ongoing contracts, who's going to renew them? How is it going to work? How are we going to make sure that they are reviewed? Well, this is how."

"Those in favor of the Bill shall vote 'yes'; those opposed vote 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Black, Brauer, Poe. Please take the record. On this question, there are 117 voting 'yes', 0 voting 'no'. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On page 3 of the Calendar, under the Order of Senate Bills-Third Reading, appears Senate Bill 377. Representative Currie. Please read the Bill."

"Representative Currie."

"Please take the Bill back to Second Reading for purpose of an Amendment."

"The Bill will be placed on the Order of Second Reading. Mr. Clerk." 09600141.doc 133  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 141st Legislative Day 5/25/2010

"Representative Currie."

"Thank you. This is a technical Amendment. It says the Department of Revenue will be in charge of debt collection because that's the people who do it today. It also would change the period for amnesty, making it a five-week period, from October 1 to November 8, 2010. I'd appreciate your support for the Amendment. And I'm happy to explain the whole Bill on Third."

Speaker Lang: "The Lady's moved for the adoption of the Amendment. Those in favor say 'yes'; opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. And the Amendment is adopted. Mr. Clerk."

"Third Reading. Please read the Bill."

"Representative Currie."

"This is a proposal that does four things. It provides for a tax amnesty period toward the end of this calendar year. It also provides that agencies could accept deferred payment plans, they could settle debts that are old, for no less than 80 percent of the amount that's past due. And in certain circumstances, the agency could sell debt to a private vendor. It is estimated that between the tax amnesty and the provisions having to do with debt collection, we might be able to bring in as much as 250 million for spending in fiscal year 2011. I would 09600141.doc 134  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 141st Legislative Day 5/25/2010 appreciate your support and I'd be happy to answer any questions."

"The Lady moves for the passage of the Bill. And on that question, the Chair recognizes Representative Mulligan for two minutes."

"Lady yields."

"This is the same Bill. We added an additional Amendment just a moment ago."

"The Amendment changed the period of the tax amnesty. Originally it was to go to the middle of November and now it would go to November 8. And in addition, this Amendment clarifies that debt collection responsibilities will remain with the Department of Revenue where they are today."

"Yes."

Speaker Lang: "Dun… Sorry. Representative Black for two minutes." 09600141.doc 135  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 141st Legislative Day 5/25/2010

"Representative Careen Gordon for two minutes." Gordon, C.: "Inquiry of the Chair, Mr. Speaker."

"Please state your inquiry." Gordon, C.: "Which House Amendments have been adopted? May I ask the Clerk?"

"Mr… Mr. Clerk."

"Representative Gordon." Gordon, C.: "Thank you. Representative Currie, so does this in any way… how far does this go back for… how far can you go back to apply to this tax amnesty program?"

"I think up until… from June 30, 2002 up to July 1, 2009." Gordon, C.: "And this is for individuals… individuals…"

"Any taxpayers." Gordon, C.: "…who would file individual tax…"

"Any taxpayers, so it'd be individuals and businesses. Gordon, C.: "Individuals and businesses. Corporations or small businesses? I mean, how…"

"Yeah, any kind. Any entity with tax liability or with tax liability incurred during that period." 09600141.doc 137  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 141st Legislative Day 5/25/2010 Gordon, C.: "So, like a big corporation, like a ComEd, or a Exxon Mobile or someone like that, as well as a small individual taxpayer on Main Street in…"

"Correct." Gordon, C.: "…Morris, Illinois. And there would be no penalty and no interest that they would have to pay at all?"

"Correct." Gordon, C.: "If they're currently in court or currently in a fight with the Department of Revenue, can they still apply for this amnesty program?"

"Yeah. Actually, if they're in court, if there's litigation, either civil or criminal against them, then the tax amnesty provisions do not apply." Gordon, C.: "Okay. And if any… so, if they're in court, or if any other actions have already started, this doesn't apply as well?"

"No, if they're in a dispute with the department, then they would be able to go ahead and pay up without having to pay penalty and interest." Gordon, C.: "Okay."

"That's the way previous tax amnesties have operated as well." Gordon, C.: "Thank you."

"Representative Dugan for two minutes."

"Thank you, Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"Lady yields."

"Yes. Leader Currie, I just wanted to kind of… what my seatmate just talked about, 'cause I asked this question before. If there's someone that right now is making 09600141.doc 138  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 141st Legislative Day 5/25/2010 payments to the State of Illinois for back taxes, okay, so they came into the state and said I couldn't pay them on time, and they, of course, are paying interest and penalty in this payment plan that they're on. Will this amnesty program allow them to… the agency to waive all of those interest and penalties that… that an individual who… I think I asked that question before."

"Yeah. And I don't… I believe the answer is no. Once somebody's been caught out, and they've fessed up, and they've begun to pay what they owe, I think those people would not be considered for amnesty."

"So, if you didn't come to the state to try to set up some kind of payment arrangement during this amnesty period, you don't have to pay interest and penalties…"

"That's right."

"…but if you did come…"

"Well, or…"

"…to try to set up payment plans, then you do have to pay interest and penalties?"

"Or more likely, if the state caught up with you and said okay, we're going to take you to court unless you pay up, but you'll have to continue paying up."

"Well, and I appreciate that, Leader Currie. I'm sure that maybe it is, in some cases, that the state caught up with them, and I'm assuming, not a whole lot or we wouldn't be thinking we were going to get $250 million from people who haven't paid their taxes. I mean, I'm just aware of some people who weren't able to pay and so they set up 09600141.doc 139  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 141st Legislative Day 5/25/2010 payment arrangements and I was just wanting to see if they…"

"Yeah, and some portion of the money we anticipate this Bill will bring in will come from the opportunity for state agencies to adopt deferred payment plans, the opportunity to collect less than a dollar of… for every debt that is owed, and the opportunity to sell really old accounts to private vendors. So, not all the money will come in through the tax amnesty portion of the Bill."

"Thank you, Leader Currie."

"Representative Cole for two minutes."

"Lady yields."

"Well, that's what an amnesty program is, Representative. If you don't like it, you can vote 'no'. 09600141.doc 140  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 141st Legislative Day 5/25/2010 But I would say that a company that owed taxes clearly had revenue 'cause you don't pay taxes if you don't have income. And for those that are already in the pipeline, for those the department found owing taxes that they were not paying, those that are now on a payment plan, this will not affect them. To do otherwise, when it seems to me, open the door to the idea that all you have to do is fail to pay your taxes, and sooner or later the Legislature will bail you out. Ours is a voluntary…"

"Many people…"

"…many people do not think that it's a good idea to reward anybody who failed to pay their taxes, and I would encourage you, if that is your view, that you might wish to oppose this Bill."

"Representative Currie to close." 09600141.doc 141  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 141st Legislative Day 5/25/2010

"Thank you very much, Speaker and Members of the House. I think this is a very straightforward proposition. I'm certain Representative Lang would welcome adding Members of the Minority Party as Sponsors of this excellent Bill. And I urge your 'aye' vote."

"Those in favor of the Bill shall vote 'yes'; opposed 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Cole, Coulson, DeLuca, Jakobsson, Tracy. Please take the record. On this question, 102 voting 'yes', 14 voting 'no'. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On page 6 of the Calendar, under the Order of Senate Bills-Second Reading, appears Senate Bill 2534. Representative Jehan Gordon. Please read the Bill."

"Representative Gordon." Gordon, J.: "Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Senate Bill 20… excuse me, Senate Bill 2534 is a historic tax credit. It started off as a statewide project, but because of the fiscal note on it, we decided to scale that down. This particular… this particular piece of legislation would be a pilot project for the City of Peoria. Today in committee, the mayor of Peoria, Mayor Jim Ardis as well as Tim Drea, from the AFL-CIO, along with Mike Everett, who is president of the West Central Illinois Building Trades, came to speak on this particular piece of 09600141.doc 142  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 141st Legislative Day 5/25/2010 legislation because of the amount of jobs that it would bring to the City of Peoria, 890 construction jobs right off the top, over 250 permanent jobs. And this Bill would give us the vehicle to be able to create an opportunity so that we would be able to generate on an annual basis $30 million. I would like to ask the Members of the Body for a favorable 'aye' vote. And I'd like to answer any questions at this time."

"Lady moves for the adoption of the Amendment. On that question, the Chair recognizes Representative Leitch for two minutes."

"Those in favor of the Amendment shall say 'yes'; those opposed shall say 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. And the Amendment is adopted. Mr. Clerk."

"Third Reading. Please read the Bill."

"Those in favor of the Bill shall say 'yes'… vote 'yes'; those opposed vote 'no'. The voting is open. Have 09600141.doc 143  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 141st Legislative Day 5/25/2010 all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Franks, Kosel. On this question, there are 111 voting 'yes', 4 voting 'no', 1 voting 'present'. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. The Chair recognizes Representative Jakobsson."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Please let the record reflect that I intended to vote 'yes' for Senate Bill 377."

"The record will flect… reflect your intentions. On Supplemental Calendar #1, on the Order of Senate Bills- Second Reading, there appears Senate Bill 3012. Please read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Third Reading. Read the Bill. Under the Order… on Supplemental Calendar #1, under Motions, there appils… appears Senate Bill 333, Representative Boland."

"Pursuant to Rule 25, I move to suspend the posting requirements for Senate Bill 333 in Rules Committee and have the Bill sent to State Government Committee."

"You heard the Gentleman's Motion. Those in favor vote 'yes'; opposed vote 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Coulson, Hatcher, Mulligan. Please take the record. On this question, there are 87 voting 'yes', 30 voting 'no'. And the Motion is adopted. Mr. Black, for what reason do you rise, Sir?" 09600141.doc 144  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 141st Legislative Day 5/25/2010

"State your inquiry, Sir."

"Mr. Black, the Chair is aware of your note request, but the Chair would like to re… let you know that the note request did not get into the Well before I moved the Bill to Third Reading."

"Speaker Madigan's not in the Chair, Sir, I am."

"I never said I was comfortable, Sir. I'm just reporting the facts as they are."

"That would be correct, Sir."

"The Motion is, 'Shall the Chair be sustained?' Those in favor vote 'yes'; those opposed vote 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted 09600141.doc 145  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 141st Legislative Day 5/25/2010 who wish? Carberry, Hoffman, Tracy. Please take the record, Mr. Clerk. On this question, there are 70 voting 'yes', 47 voting 'no'. And the Chair is sustained. Mr. Clerk, committee schedule."

"For the knowledge of the Members, please listen, Ladies and Gentlemen. You heard that we will be in Session at 10:00 in the morning after 9 a.m. committees. The Members are notified that you should be expected to be here on Thursday, at least. We may go beyond Thursday; we will be in Session on Thursday. Having said that, Mr. Clerk, Agreed Resolutions."

"Representative Currie moves for the adoption of the Agreed Resolutions. Those in favor say 'yes'; those opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. And the Agreed Resolutions are adopted. The Chair recognizes Representative Will Davis." Davis, W.: "Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question for you. Originally, when we were asked to come back, we were told that we would have Session on Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday. So, needless to say, in terms of being prepared for Thursday, I wasn't told that we were going to be here 09600141.doc 147  STATE OF ILLINOIS 96th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 141st Legislative Day 5/25/2010 on Thursday. So… so, what is the possibility of us being here on Friday, so that if I need to have clothes FEDEXED to me or something, that I can at least make that request because I'm sure the Members here don't want to see me wear the same clothes over again. And… and because we have voted to cut down on per diems and things of that nature, I don't have any money to go buy clothes now. So, I'm just curious to know if we're going to be here the rest of the week, so I can try to make appropriate provisions."

"That is unknown at this time, Sir. Although I'll give you the number of a very fine cleaners on MacArthur, which I use, you'll like it, Sir." Davis, W.: "Use the cleaners. Okay, Mr. Speaker. Thank you very much."

Speaker Lang: "The Chair recognizes Representative Feigenholtz."

"It's a really long run back here, Mr. Speaker. I'd like to suspend the posting requirements for House Resolution 1024."

"You heard the Lady's Motion. Is there leave? Hearing no objection, leave is granted, and the posting requirements are suspended. And now, allowing perfunctory time for the Clerk, Representative Currie now moves that the House stand adjourned 'til Wednesday, May 26 at 10 a.m. Those in favor say 'yes'; opposed 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. And the House does stand adjourned."