Illinois House Floor Debate — May 24, 2012

Speaker Lyons: "Good afternoon, Illinois. Your House of Representatives will come to order. Members are asked to please be at your desks. We shall be led in prayer today by Reverend Michael Tozer, who is with the Springfield Four Square Church in Springfield, Illinois. Reverend Tozer is the guest of Representative Raymond Poe. Members and guests are asked to please refrain from starting their laptops, turn off all electronic equipment, and rise for the invocation and the Pledge of Allegiance. Reverend Michael Tozer."

Speaker Lyons: "Representative Sara Feigenholtz, would you please lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance." Feigenholtz – et al: "I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

"Roll Call for Attendance. Leader Barbara Flynn Currie, Democrats."

"Thank you, Speaker. Please let the record reflect that there are no House Democrats who are excused today."

"Leader Bost, GOP."

"Thank you, Leader. Mr. Clerk, take the record. There's 117 Members responding to the quorum call, we do 09700142.doc 2  STATE OF ILLINOIS 97th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 142nd Legislative Day 5/24/2012 have a quorum present. We're prepared to do the work of the people of the State of Illinois. Committee Reports, Mr. Clerk."

Speaker Lyons: "Mr. Clerk, Representative Poe has House Resolution 1091. The Chair recognizes the Gentleman, Representative Raymond Poe."

"Mr. Clerk."

"Representative Poe."

"Congratulations, Spartans, we're proud of you. Enjoy your day here at Springfield… at the Capitol. All those in favor of the adoption of House Resolution 1091 09700142.doc 6  STATE OF ILLINOIS 97th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 142nd Legislative Day 5/24/2012 signify by saying 'yes'; those opposed say 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair the 'ayes' have it. And the Resolution is unanimously adopted. Leader Barbara Flynn Currie, on a Motion."

"Thank you, Speaker. I move to suspend the posting requirements so that Senate Bill 1355 can be heard in Judiciary I, Senate Bill 1566 in Agriculture, Senate Bill 3438 in Personnel & Pensions, 3592 in J 1, House Joint Resolutions 88 and 89 in Transportation: Regulation, Roads & Bridges. I know of no opposition. I'd appreciate your 'aye' vote."

Speaker Lyons: "Seeing no opposition, all those in favor signify by saying 'yes'; those opposed say 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. And the posting requirement is waived. Thank you, Leader. Representative Bill Mitchell, for what purpose do you seek recognition, Representative?" Mitchell, B.: "Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would just like for the Journal to reflect on Senate Bill 3367 I wish to be recorded as a 'yes' vote."

Speaker Lyons: "The Journal will reflect your request, Representative. Representative Brown, Adam, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"

"Representative, the Journal will reflect your wishes. Representative Rosenthal, for what purpose do you seek recognition, Sir?" 09700142.doc 7  STATE OF ILLINOIS 97th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 142nd Legislative Day 5/24/2012

Speaker Lyons: "The Journal will reflect your request. Representative Colavato… Representative Cavaletto."

"For a minute there, John, I got you confused with the former Rocky Calavito. So, the Journal will reflect your request, Representative Cavaletto. Representative Don Moffitt."

"Please proceed, Don."

"Ladies and Gentlemen, Representative Moffitt has an announcement, has something he'd like us all to hear. Shh. Representative Moffitt."

"Colonel Schimpf, congratulations, an honor to have you in the Capitol. Enjoy your day. Representative Mike McAuliffe."

"Please proceed."

"May the repose of the soul of Jack Barry rest in peace. Representative Norine Hammond, for what purpose do you seek recognition, Norine?"

Speaker Lyons: "The Journal will reflect your wishes, Representative. Representative Jerry Costello."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. A point of privilege, please."

"Please proceed, Jerry."

"I would… I'd like to introduce the chamber to my youngest daughter, Danielle Costello, she's here with me today. I'd also like to acknowledge the fact the lowest grade she received on her report card this year was a 97."

Speaker Lyons: "Danielle, we're proud to have you in Springfield. Keep an eye on dad today, though, will you please. Thank you. Ladies and Gentlemen, there's several Bills… House Bills on the Order of Third Reading on page 4 of the Calendar. On the bottom of the page, Representative 09700142.doc 10  STATE OF ILLINOIS 97th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 142nd Legislative Day 5/24/2012 Lou Lang, Leader Lang, you have House Bill 4320. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Leader Lou Lang."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen, this the Amendment we added yesterday that we called the Chuck E Cheese Amendment. All it does is say that games at places like Chuck E Cheese that used to be mechanical that are now electronic are not electronic games under the meaning of the Video Gaming Act. It's all really the Bill does."

"You've heard the Gentleman's explanation. Is there any discussion? Seeing none, all those in favor of the passage of House Bill 4320 signify by voting 'yes'; those opposed vote 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Monique Davis, would you like to be recorded? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Bill, there's 115 Members voting 'yes', 2 Members voting 'no'. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Ladies and Gentlemen, I have a few Bills on Senate Bills-Second Readings which I believe Amendments are now prepared, so if you have… there's a couple of Bills on Second Reading, Senate Bills-Second Reading, I'll be seeing if Members are on the floor to move those Bills to Third. The first one I have, Greg Harris, is your Bill on page 11 of the Calendar, Senate Bill 1351. What's the status on that Bill, Mr. Clerk?" 09700142.doc 11  STATE OF ILLINOIS 97th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 142nd Legislative Day 5/24/2012

Speaker Lyons: "Representative Har… Representative Harris. Greg, I've been told that the Amendment is not ready yet, so we'll hold that Bill on the Order of Second Reading. Representative Esther Golar. Esther, on the Order of Second Readings on page 11 of the Calendar, you have Senate Bill 1531. What's the status on that Bill, Mr. Clerk?"

"Representative Esther Golar, on Floor Amendment #4."

"Mr. Speaker, would you please hold that on Second for me, please? Hold the Bill on Second."

"Do you wish to adopt the Amendment or just leave it as it is, Representative?"

"Leave it as is."

"All right. Mr. Clerk, take that Bill out of the record on request of the Sponsor. Representative Chad Hays, for what purpose do you seek recognition, Sir?"

"The Journal will reflect your wishes, Sir. Representative Mike Zalewski, on the Order of House Bills- Second Readings, you have House Bill 4239. What's the status on that Bill, Mr. Clerk?"

"Representative Mike Zalewski."

"Mr. Speaker, I want to table Floor Amendment #4, and I wish you'd go to the next Amendment."

Speaker Lyons: "Mr. Clerk, withdraw Floor Amendment #4. Anything further?"

Speaker Lyons: "Floor Amendment #5, Representative, is in Rules, so we'll hold that Bill on the Order of Second Reading. Representative Esther Golar, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"

"Yes, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recorded… the records to reflect that I would like to be recorded as a 'no' on Senate Bill 3367."

"Representative, the Journal will reflect your wishes. Ladies and Gentlemen, we'll be going to some Senate Bill-Third Readings on page 5 of the Calendar. I'll be skipping around a little bit, but if you have something on page 5 or page 6 under Senate Bill-Third Readings, heads 09700142.doc 13  STATE OF ILLINOIS 97th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 142nd Legislative Day 5/24/2012 up. Representative Sara Feigenholtz, Sara, you have Senate Bill 278, 278. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Recognize the Lady from Cook, Representative Robyn Gabel."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This Bill codifies the Human Services Commission into law. The commission works toward ensuring consistent, effective, and efficient delivery of human services in the State of Illinois. The commission is made up of a diverse group of representatives in both the public and private sector. It includes Members from the House and Senate as well as representatives from the eight Illinois Human Service Departments. Its purpose is to include timely and adequate reimbursement, look at outcome measures and best practices, and accountability mechanisms. At a time when we have less resources, it's very important that all of our human services departments, and programs work together to be as efficient as possible. So, thank you. I would appreciate an 'aye' vote."

"You've heard the Lady's explanation on Senate Bill 278. Is there any discussion? The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Jackson, Representative… Leader Mike Bost."

"Sponsor yields."

"The Amendment just adds two more char… categories. One, maternal and child health, and the other is a representative from the university and maternal and child health program."

"Pardon? Right now there's a task force. And this Bill will turn that task force into a commission."

"The task force was supposed to end the end of this year."

"Well, what the task force did is it helped with reorganizing the Department of Human Services, only, just that department. And we feel that there are… that the Public Health, the DCFS, HFS, that they all need to be looked at and we need to really consider if there are some programs in each of those departments that need to be moved… moved to other departments to create better efficiencies. So this commission will continue to look at that issue."

"The members are not reimbursed. They're not paid and they're not reimbursed for any travel."

"There's no cost."

"The Governor's Office and the departments."

"Well, both of those, yes. To look at ways that the programs are more coordinated, to look at efficiencies."

"One of the things that they did was they got rid of the depart… the section for community and family health and merged that with the local offices. So, they have created some efficiencies with that already. One of my concerns is that the Title V Programs which are federal programs, they… in most other states they're all in one department, and I would like to work with them to make sure that all the Maternal and Child Health Programs are in one department so they can all be coordinated better."

"I don't, I'm sorry."

"I don't have any sense that there's some difficulties with this."

"Let me look."

"I am… I am not sure."

"There may be people who just don't like commissions."

"I do not see a sunset date on this commission."

"Representative Rosemary Mulligan."

"Sponsor yields."

"Two members."

"Two issues."

"Well, I know…"

"Go ahead… proceed, Representative."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I know that the commission's first task was to prepare a report and I know that they accomplished that task and the reorganization of the… of Department of Human Services."

"Representative Mulligan." 09700142.doc 18  STATE OF ILLINOIS 97th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 142nd Legislative Day 5/24/2012

"That's my goal. Thank you."

"Representative Gabel to close."

"Again, I believe that during these difficult times it's important for all of our social service groups to work together and to come up with a more efficient and effective way of providing services to the people of Illinois. So, I'd appreciate an 'aye' vote. Thank you."

"The question is, 'Should Senate Bill 278 pass?' All those in favor signify by voting 'yes'; those opposed vote 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? McAuliffe, Poe, Saviano, Sullivan. Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Bill, there are 78 Members voting 'yes', 37 voting 'no', 2 voting 'present'. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Mr. Clerk, Rules Report."

"Representative Mike Unes, you have, on the Order of Senate Bills-Third Reading, on page 5 of the Calendar, Senate Bill 548. Mike Unes, Senate Bill 548. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Representative Mike Unes."

"You’ve heard the Gentleman's explanation on Senate Bill 548. Is there any discussion? Seeing none, all those in favor of its passage signify by voting 'yes'; those opposed vote 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? David Harris. Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Bill, there's 113 Members voting 'yes', 3 Members voting 'no', 1 Member voting 'present'. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Carol Sente, you have, on the Order of Third Reading-Senate Bill, Senate Bill 555. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Representative Carol Sente."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Senate Bill 555 makes it permissive for the Emergency Telephone System Board to use 9-1-1 funds to implement enhanced 9-1-1 technology. It is currently not clear whether the 9-1-1 funds can be used for this purpose, so this Bill is codifying that issue and the language is permissible. It makes change… no change to the existing 9-1-1 funding. Citizens can elect to provide as much data as they wish. The system is free and secure, and it can only be accessed by 9-1-1 responders. I'm happy to take questions."

"You've heard the Lady's explanation. Is there any discussion? The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from DuPage, Representative Dennis Reboletti."

"Sponsor yields."

"I'm saying that this Bill codifies and clarifies that the funds can be used for this enhanced 9-1-1 system."

"Well, in DuPage, that was the first county that used this. They went ahead and had that interpretation of that they could use the funds for this. This Bill makes it absolutely a hundred percent clear that that is permissible. So, it is permissible and it clarifies that issue."

"Representative Sente to close."

"I ask for an 'aye' vote."

"The question is, 'Should Senate Bill 555 pass?' All those in favor signify by voting 'yes'; those opposed vote 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? DeLuca, Thapedi, Golar, like to be recorded? Esther? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Bill, there's 116 Members voting 'yes', 0 voting 'no'. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Dunkin, I think we have a special person on the floor you'd like to introduce. Shh."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker. A point of personal privilege. Ladies and Gentlemen, if you could bear with me. Today, we have with us on the House Floor, one of our long serving, highly distinguished, my Congressman, and by the way, all those Congressmen… all those people that Congressman Davis represents please stand. Let's welcome and give our… one of our state's profound voices in Congress, a great round of applause. Congressman Danny K. Davis." 09700142.doc 22  STATE OF ILLINOIS 97th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 142nd Legislative Day 5/24/2012

"Congressman, it's a privilege and an honor to have you here. Enjoy your day in Springfield on the House Floor. We're proud to have you here, Congressman. Representative Daniel Burke, you have, on the Order of Third Readings, Dan, Senate Bill 968. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Leader Dan Burke." Burke, D.: "Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Senate Bill 968 would amend the Vehicle Code definition of commercial motor vehicle with respect to one segment of vehicles that currently qualify as commercial motor vehicles. Basically what it does, it just puts us into compliance with federal regulation so we can collect approximately $7 million from federal funds. Be happy to answer any question."

"You've heard the Gentleman's explanation. Is there any discussion? Seeing none, all those in favor of the passage of Senate Bill 968 signify by voting 'yes'; those opposed vote 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Representative Brady, Representative Cassidy, like to be recorded? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Bill, there's 117 Members voting 'yes', 0 voting 'no'. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Cynthia Soto, on Third Reading you have Senate… out of the record. Representative Ed Sullivan, on page 6 of the Calendar, Ed, 09700142.doc 23  STATE OF ILLINOIS 97th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 142nd Legislative Day 5/24/2012 under Senate Bills-Third Readings, you have Senate Bill 1900. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Representative Sullivan, you're ready to go."

"You've heard the Gentleman's explanation. The Chair recognizes Representative Jack Franks."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Parliamentary inquiry."

"State your inquiry, Sir."

"Be an inquiry of the Clerk rather instead of the parliamentarian. There were notes filed. Have we had any answers to those notes?"

"Mr. Clerk, on the notes."

"Well, then wouldn't the Bill have to remain on Second Reading?"

"Representative, we're going to check on that, get right back to you. Mr. Franks, I've been advised by the parliamentarian that the notes were filed while the Bill was on Third Reading and that… therefore, they're inapplicable. Mr. Clerk… Representative Franks, you did file the notes yesterday, but it was after the Bill was moved to Third Reading. Representative Franks."

"Mr. Speaker, I think they might have been filed on Second, but I'll withdraw the notes. I'll withdraw the notes and leave it as it is."

"Whether we withdraw them or not, Jack, I still think it's…"

"All right."

"…good, it's ready to go, but I appreciate your good intentions on that. I'm sure the Sponsor does also, so… Representative Cavaletto, on Senate Bill 1900? Were you… We'll get back to you, John, after this Bill, okay? Representative Sullivan to close." 09700142.doc 25  STATE OF ILLINOIS 97th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 142nd Legislative Day 5/24/2012

Speaker Lyons: "The question is, 'Should Senate Bill 1900 pass?' All those in favor signify by voting 'yes'; those opposed vote 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Flowers, Ramey, you like to be recorded? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Bill, there's 115 Members voting 'yes', 0 voting 'no', 1 Member voting 'present'. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative John Cavaletto."

"John, the Journal will reflect your request."

"Representative Dave Winters, on the Order of Third Readings, on page 6 of the Calendar, Senate Bill 2867. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"The Gentleman from Winnebago, Representative Dave Winters."

"You heard the Gentleman's explanation. Is there any discussion? Seeing none, all those in favor of the passage of Senate Bill 2867 signify by voting 'yes'; those opposed vote 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Brady, Carli, Mayfield, like to be recorded? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Bill, there's 88 Members voting 'yes', 29 Members voting 'no'. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Chapin Rose, on the Order of Third Readings, on page 6 of the Calendar, Chapin, you have Senate Bill 2999. Out of the record. Representative Elaine Nekritz, on page 6 of the Calendar, you have Senate Bill 3216. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

Speaker Lyons: "The Lady from Cook, Representative Elaine Nekritz." 09700142.doc 27  STATE OF ILLINOIS 97th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 142nd Legislative Day 5/24/2012

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This legislation is a trailer Bill for the public-private partnership legislation that passed last year. The changes that are in this trailer Bill are all recommendations from IDOT that they felt would bring the P3 legislation more into line with their current practices. I don't be… I think that all the issues have been worked out and I'm not aware of any opponents. I'd ask for your support."

"You've heard the Lady's explanation. Is there any discussion? The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Will Davis." Davis, W.: "Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"Sponsor yields." Davis, W.: "Representative, does this Bill eliminate the RTA?"

"Representative, I… I… it unfortunately does not, but we may have an opportunity on another Bill that might be coming back from the Senate to pursue that." Davis, W.: "Thank you very much. I look forward…"

"Thank you." Davis, W.: "…to seeing that Bill."

"I appreciate it."

"Representative Nekritz moves for the passage of Senate Bill 3216. All those in favor signify by voting 'yes'; those opposed vote 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Lang, Jerry Mitchell, Skip. Representative Sullivan, would you like to be recorded? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Bill, there's 74 Members voting 'yes', 43 Members voting 'no'. This Bill, having received the 09700142.doc 28  STATE OF ILLINOIS 97th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 142nd Legislative Day 5/24/2012 Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Sid Mathias, Sid, on the Order of Third Readings… The Gentleman does not wish to call his Bill. Representative Scott Penny, on page 6 of the Calendar, Senate Bills-Third Readings, you have Senate Bill 3258. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Representative Scott Penny."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This Bill is an attempt to get language in the Sexual Offender Registry Act synchronized to the Illinois Criminal Code so that people who have been convicted of child sexual offenses also are better defined in the statute. It specifically lists what sex acts with young children qualify. It allows the registering law enforcement agency to, at the point of registration, inform the registrant that he is not allowed in certain parks, schools. And it also adds to that definition, bike trails and walking paths so that they cannot loiter without any apparent purpose if they're on there. Another component of the Bill also allows a young person under the age of 25, who receives a reckless driving conviction, when he achieves the age of 25 looking backwards if he has only had one offense he could seal and close and expunge that offense depending on the type of conviction he had. It's supported by law enforcement agencies. I would urge passage of the Bill, Sir." 09700142.doc 29  STATE OF ILLINOIS 97th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 142nd Legislative Day 5/24/2012

"You've heard the Gentleman's explanation. Is there any discussion? The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from DuPage, Representative Dennis Reboletti."

"Sponsor yields."

"What that would allow is if a person was convicted he could get the conviction sealed. If he had been arrested but was found not guilty, he could get the record of the arrest expunged. He could not do that in an effort to keep people from repeatedly sealing these types of convictions. He could not do that until he achieved the age of 25, so it would be one opportunity at age 25 to look backwards in time, and if he had only received one reckless driving conviction, this would apply. If he had multiple reckless driving or there was a DUI and a reckless driving conviction, he could not do this."

"Yes, Sir, that's correct. There were some concerns raised when this was at committee, and so we went back and modified this to address those."

"Yes, Sir. That's exactly what this Bill is directed towards a young person who had one conviction and had made one mistake in a reckless driving violation would not be excluded from being a professional driver and would be able to move himself professionally and to get a good job."

"Thank you, Sir."

"Representative Penny to close."

"This is a Bill that addresses a concern that we have with registered sex offenders. It tightens up some vague areas. Also, it provides in a slightly different area, for a young person to rehabilitate themselves and to get a professional driving type of position. I would urge your passage on it."

"Question is, 'Should Senate Bill 3258 pass?' All those in favor signify by voting 'yes'; those opposed vote 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Representative Cassidy, Currie, Karen May, like to be recorded? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Bill, there's a 107 Members voting 'yes', 9 Members voting 'no', 1 Member voting 'present'. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Leader Lang in the Chair." 09700142.doc 31  STATE OF ILLINOIS 97th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 142nd Legislative Day 5/24/2012

"On the Order of Senate Bills-Third Reading, there appears Senate Bill 3201, Mr. Lyons. You want me to come back to you, Mr. Lyons? No, I just talk fast. Read the Bill, Sir."

"Mr. Lyons."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, for getting right to me. I appreciate your good intentions here. Senate Bill 3201 is an initiative of the Illinois Beverage Association and Waste Management. Basically, it's a Plastic Bulk Merchandise Container Act that requires that purchasing five or more of the plastic bulk material… merchandise containers that are sold, if they are brought in, they need to be registered after five are brought in, just name and address so the purpose of record on that. But if it was… a purchase was found to be in violation, there would be a $500 petty offense, and if it's over $10 thousand or more, there could be a Class II Felony. Just to give you a little background on this, there's a whole underground business that revolves around cashing in on these plastic containers. The beverage industry, there's been over a half a million dollars for the beverage industry including the dairies, and 12 other states already have this in legislation, there's about a dozen other states that are doing the same thing we are here today. It may sound sometimes like we're kidding around with those small baskets which all of us probably have in our garage, but it's a million dollar problem for many, many companies and 09700142.doc 32  STATE OF ILLINOIS 97th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 142nd Legislative Day 5/24/2012 we're looking for the right Bill, Legislator to take the action, pass this Bill on. I'd be happy to answer any questions."

"Gentleman moves for the passage of the Bill. There being no debate, those in favor vote 'yes'; opposed 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Please record yourselves, Members. Have all voted who wish? Representative Tracy. Please read the… please take the record. On this question, there are 113 voting 'yes', 2 voting 'no'. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Senate Bill 3217, Leader Lyons. Please read the Bill."

"Leader Lyons."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This is an initiative of the Illinois Credit Union League. Basically what this does is three things. One, it clarifies that a surviving credit union in a merger where a consolidation or conversion is the successor in interest for any mortgages that are out there. So, if two credit unions are joined and the surviving credit union becomes the holder of the mortgages of the merged credit union, they would be included in their… in their right to successor and interest. Second of all, it allows the boards of directors of the credit unions to clarify what the age eligibility is for voting and well as for holding office within the credit union. And the last provision 09700142.doc 33  STATE OF ILLINOIS 97th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 142nd Legislative Day 5/24/2012 here is a 30-day membership status to allow somebody's credit union to go beneath the minimum, whatever the minimum is, to become a member, gives them a 30-day grace period so when they have a problem they can come back within 30 days without having to be reinstated as a credit union member. I ask you for your support. Would be happy to answer any questions."

"Gentleman's moved for the passage of the Bill. There being no debate, those in favor of the Bill vote 'yes'; opposed 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Please take the record. On this question, 117 voting 'yes', 0 voting 'no'. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Leader Lyons, can we run four or five more of your Bills while you're up? Should we wait for you, Sir? No, stay right there, stay right… no, I'm kidding, go ahead. Wherever you're going, Sir, enjoy yourself. So, Senate Bill 3259, Representative Chapa LaVia. Please read the Bill."

"Representative Chapa LaVia."

"This has nothing to do with getting rid of the RTA, just want to say that or Baba Booey. Anyway, so House… Senate Bill 3259 was created from the Governor mentioning that he wanted to bring up the graduation rate to 18 years of age and the Lieutenant Governor in her wisdom got involved in creating a Bill that would now 09700142.doc 34  STATE OF ILLINOIS 97th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 142nd Legislative Day 5/24/2012 create the Commission for High School Graduation Achievement and Success. I'll take any questions."

"Lady moves for the passage of the Bill. There being no debate, those in favor vote 'yes'; opposed 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Please record yourselves. Flowers, Gabel, McAuliffe, Mitchell, Reis. Representative Gabel. Please take the record. On this question, there are 117 voting 'yes', 0 voting 'no'. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Senate Bill 3277, Representative Jones. Please read the Bill."

"Mr. Jones."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Senate Bill 3277 is a TIF extension Bill for the Village of Glenwood. I do have letters and… on the record from all the villages and taxing bodies approving this. I know of no opposition. I ask for an 'aye' vote on this."

"Gentleman moves for the passage of the Bill. There being no debate, those in favor vote 'yes'; opposed 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Representative Gabel, Representative Kosel. Please take the record. On this question, there are 113 voting 'yes', 3 voting 'no', 1 voting 'present'. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Senate Bill 3279, Mr. Rita. Please read the Bill." 09700142.doc 35  STATE OF ILLINOIS 97th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 142nd Legislative Day 5/24/2012

"Mr. Rita."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This is a Bill that we debated about the roofer's license application using a government-issued I.D. We amended it, we moved it back the other day, took out photo I.D, and just used government-issued I.D."

"Gentleman moves for the passage of the Bill. There being some debate… Mr. Bost is recognized. Mr. Bost."

"Gentleman yields."

"Yes."

"Took the word photo… it took the word…"

"It took…"

"We just took the word photo and used government-issued I.D."

"What was that?"

"It had to do with the Amish and a request from Representative… Representative Rose." 09700142.doc 36  STATE OF ILLINOIS 97th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 142nd Legislative Day 5/24/2012

"Well, we took that out, so not… not necessarily in this case."

"I know where you're going."

"In some cases. In some cases."

"This deals with roofing, building permits."

"Those in favor of the Bill will vote 'yes'; opposed 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Representative Osmond. Please take the record. On this question, there are 116 voting 'yes', 1 voting 'no'. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Senate Bill 3349, Representative du Buclet. Please read the Bill."

"Representative du Buclet." du Buclet: "Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Senate Bill 3349 is an offender initiative program Bill. The program diverts selected nonviolent felony defendants without prior felony convictions into an intensive program to offer services to 09700142.doc 37  STATE OF ILLINOIS 97th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 142nd Legislative Day 5/24/2012 defendants with the goal of these defendants avoiding future criminal behavior. When the defendant successfully completes this intensive program, the state's attorney dismisses the felony charge."

"Lady moves for the passage of the Bill. The Chair recognizes Mr. Reboletti."

"I would be happy to slow down for you, Sir."

Du Buclet: "Yes. The county of Cook has successfully implemented this program."

"Mr. Reboletti, are we going slow enough for you, Sir? Representative du Buclet to close." du Buclet: "Senate Bill 3349 would end up saving the… it has saved the county $1.1 million to date. It would be another tool for prosecutors to allow people to get their lives back on track and I think that it will benefit the state as well as nonviolent offenders. Thank you." 09700142.doc 41  STATE OF ILLINOIS 97th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 142nd Legislative Day 5/24/2012

"Lady moves for the passage of the Bill. Those in favor of the Bill vote 'yes'; opposed 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Beiser, Poe, Thapedi. Please take the record. On this question, there are 69 voting 'yes', 48 voting 'no'. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Mr. Franks, for what reason do you rise, Sir?"

"A point of personal privilege, if I may, Mr. Speaker."

"Oh, please state your point, Sir."

"You know, we spend a lot of time on the House Floor, and today is an auspices day for Shaw Decremer who's now reached the grand old age of 38 years old. So, happy birthday, Shaw."

"Man's packed a lot of life in the 38 years, I can tell you that. Senate Bill 3373, Mr. Jackson. Please read the Bill."

"Mr. Jackson."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen. Senate Bill 3373 is an agreed upon language between the Illinois Finance Authority and the State Fire Marshal. The Bill is to resolve minor audit findings to provide more flexibility and to increase the amount of available funds and the number of loans the Office of State Fire Marshal can afford… offer each year. The amended Bill sought to resolve minor audit findings by eliminating the Fire Service and Small Equipment Fund and transferring the fund 09700142.doc 42  STATE OF ILLINOIS 97th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 142nd Legislative Day 5/24/2012 moneys into the Fire Prevention Fund. And the initial Bill also sought to transfer the funds from the fire truck, ambulance, and fire house revolving loan funds into the… into a new fund that would be administered by both the Office of the State Fire Marshal and the Illinois Finance Advisory Authority. I would answer any questions and I like… I ask for an 'aye' vote."

"Gentleman's moved for the passage of the Bill. The Chair recognizes Mr. Moffitt."

"Gentleman yields."

"Please proceed."

"Yes, they will."

"Yes. The moneys transferred to the IFA will continue to receive funding from the programs dedicated revenue streams. Additionally, repayments from existing loans will return to the fund for relending."

"Yes. The Office of the State Fire Marshal, in conjunction with the loan application review committee, would have the discretion to select suitable loan candidates based on the Office of the State Fire Marshal assessment of need. The IFA will continue its role of both evaluating each applicant's ability to pay and to document, close, and service all fund loans."

"Yes. The Office of the State Fire Marshal, in conjunction with its loan application review committee, would have discretion to select suitable recipients for zero interest loans based on the assessment of need. The IFA will continue its role to determining that each applicant's credit worthiness, i.e., ability to pay and documenting, closing, and servicing all loans that are ultimately funded."

"The Office of the State Fire Marshal responsibility will remain the same." 09700142.doc 44  STATE OF ILLINOIS 97th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 142nd Legislative Day 5/24/2012

"Yes."

"The IFA will determine the fees based upon analysis of the internal costs associated with financial, due diligence, and originating and closing the current round that's, i.e., summer of 2012 of the fire truck loans. The dollars that will allocate and prorate the IFA cost on a per application basis which then… which will then be used to establish the fees."

"Yes. The fees will be established and enable IFA to recover reasonable overhead expense associated with managing the program."

"Yes. The idea is to make sure of continuing that those individuals receive zero interest or low interest loans. The idea is to make sure that the money is maximized on but also affording houses or fire… city's ability to borrow… get the money at zero interest."

"Mr. Rose."

"Gentleman yields."

"Yes, I do. Come on with page 3."

"Not yours."

"That's it, Sir? That's it? You're sure? Those in favor of the Bill will vote 'yes'; opposed 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? You weren't sure, Sir? Mr. Clerk, please take the record. On this question, there are 117 voting 'yes', 0 voting 'no'. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared 09700142.doc 46  STATE OF ILLINOIS 97th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 142nd Legislative Day 5/24/2012 passed. Senate Bill 3397, Mr. Dunkin. Please read the Bill."

"Mr. Clerk, take the Bill out of the record, please. Senate Bill 3420, Mr. Bradley. Mr. Bradley. Out of the record. Senate Bill 3433, Representative Cassidy. Out of the record. Senate Bill 3441, Representative Dugan. Representative Dugan. Read the Bill, please. Don't run, Representative. No, no, no, the Lady says. Out of the record. Senate Bill 3442, Mr. Tryon. Please read the Bill."

"Mr. Tryon."

"Mr. Tryon has moved for the passage of the Bill. The Chair recognizes Representative May."

"Thank you. Thank you, Speaker. To the Sponsor. I reluctantly have to oppose your Bill, and when I first heard of it, I, of course, wanted to support it. I think that it's an environmental problem, but I don't think it's an environmental solution. The real problem that I have with this Bill, it prohibits local communities from doing what they want to do. With Illinois, only recycling 1.5 percent of its plastic grocery bags and .7 percent of its plastic film, we are at the bottom. I am fro… afraid that we are codifying failure. So, what I need to make sure from the Chair though, because this is prohibiting local governments and our Home Rule communities from doing what they want to do, what are the votes required for this?" 09700142.doc 50  STATE OF ILLINOIS 97th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 142nd Legislative Day 5/24/2012

"I anticipated that question, and we've asked the parliamentarian to provide the answer and we'll get that to you before the end of debate."

"You are such a fabulous Speaker. Thank… not… I would like it before the end of the day or the debate did you say?"

"The end of the debate."

"Thank you. Thank you. So, I had to look at this very carefully because my community of Highland Park, being very environmental, put its own program into place. Now, I am glad that you're Amendment did incl… at least not take away powers that they have right now, but when you just look at the math, it doesn't… it just doesn't make sense. I think our math professor's going to talk to that, but you know, zero plus zero equals zero. We're at a very low level. We are not getting to the heart of the problem. I think that it will be tying our hands from doing more for four years. The representative of IRMA, and I did talk to them because I felt like I needed to understand what we were doing with this environmental problem, said, well, we're trying to get something to happen in Jacksonville. Well, I called the Wal-Mart in Jacksonville and they already collect plastic bags as do many retails. Wal-Mart, Jewel, Dominicks, Kroger and Schumcks (sic-Schnucks) are already doing it, but we are not getting to the heart of the problem. I would remind… and those who are concerned about fees that this does include fees in it. The Chicago Tribune did editorialize against it. The opponents include the Illinois Municipal League plus several cities. The City of 09700142.doc 51  STATE OF ILLINOIS 97th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 142nd Legislative Day 5/24/2012 Springfield passed a resolution recently. The Alliance for the Great Lakes, Environment Illinois, Sierra Club, the Illinois Recycling Association, the Illinois Policy Institute, the National Resources Defense Council, and just recently, the Environmental Law and Policy Center. So, reluctantly, I speak against this because it's not solving the real problem. The idea of preempting Home Rule was nonnegotiable, it was not allowed. We need to at least allow that we get beyond being on the low rung of what are we… what we are doing to recycling for the communities that want to do the more they have to be allowed to do more. Thank you. I reluctantly urge a 'no' vote."

"Ladies and Gentlemen, this Bill is on the Order of Short Debate. Because there are still 10 people that wish to speak, I will take it off of Short Debate, but we will have a strict two-minute time limit for each speaker. The next speaker is Representative Jakobsson for two minutes."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise in opposition to Senate Bill 3442. Really, tell me, would you rather have these flying around in the air…"

"Excuse me, Representative Jakobsson."

"…littering your streets, being caught in the trees…"

"Representative Jakobsson, let's get it quiet in here so we can hear you. I'll give you some extra seconds. Could we please hold down the noise in the chamber. Please hold down the noise in the chamber. Representative Jakobsson." 09700142.doc 52  STATE OF ILLINOIS 97th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 142nd Legislative Day 5/24/2012

"Thank you, I'll continue… or would you rather carry a reusable bag with you, one that doesn't have to be thrown away every time you use it or put in supposedly a recycling unit every time you use it? These last for a long time. I've had this one for several years, I mean, you can see it's been used. This one was provided to me by the Farm Bureau even. So, you know, they want to see us use recyclable materials. And for those of you who think that maybe you don't want to carry something around that size, I have this in my purse with me every day, and look, it opens up really big, it can hold a lot. So, there are certainly ways to get away from plastic bags. But one of my big problems with this Bill is that it doesn't get at the source. And it would disallow the City of Champaign from enforcing its resolution that it wants to put in place because it would like to get at the source and not allow stores just to give away plastic bags or paper bags. The board of directors of the Illinois Recycling Association voted its regularly scheduled meeting not to support Senate Bill 3442 because it doesn't get at the true source of these bags and get a source reduction. So, I would urge a 'no' vote on this Bill. Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker."

"Mr. Sacia, for two minutes."

"Sponsor yields."

"You can count on that, Sir."

"Are you finished, Sir? Excellent. The next speaker is Representative Williams for two minutes."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. To the Bill. I support recycling programs and would be supporting this Bill but for the fact that it preempts Home Rule. The reality is, that this Bill sets low recycling goals but prevents any municipality from doing more even when the residents of that municipality want to do more. Why should we tie their hands like that? When you're talking about a statewide recycling ban, I think we need to look at setting a floor, not a ceiling, as this Bill does. Unfortunately, while I support the goals underlying the Bill, because of the preemption of Home Rule and stripping local communities of the ability to control their recycling programs, I'm going to have to vote 'no'. And I urge a 'no' vote."

"Representative Mell for two minutes."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I would just like to… to the Bill. I would just like to point out that the City of Los Angeles, the second largest city in the United States, became the largest U.S. city to ban plastic bags today. And as we see, this is 09700142.doc 55  STATE OF ILLINOIS 97th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 142nd Legislative Day 5/24/2012 becoming more and more of the case with our smaller cities and bigger cities and I would urge a 'no' vote because we are tying the hands of our villages and cities when they want to really do a true… to make a true environmental impact on their… our community."

"Representative Senger for two minutes."

"Gentleman yields."

"David Harris for two minutes." Harris, D.: "Thank you, Mr. Speaker. A quick question of the Sponsor. This Bill preempts Home Rule. Does it preempt Home Rule in Chicago?"

"Mr. Clerk, Committee Report. Mr. Reis for two minutes."

"You go right ahead, Sir."

"Mr. Biss for two minutes."

"Thank you, Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"Gentleman yields." 09700142.doc 59  STATE OF ILLINOIS 97th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 142nd Legislative Day 5/24/2012

"Representative, could you just explain once more, 'cause I haven't totally understood it, exactly what this Bill does vis-à-vis increase recycling targets?"

"No, no, I understand the… if we could just… with respect to my two minutes. What is the numerical impact of the Bill? What does the Bill do about increased numerical recycling targets?"

"I would just argue for the Body, that 12 percent that's being fought back and forth about is a really tiny drop in the bucket. You're talking about incrementing a number whether it's one-and-a-half percent or 2 percent or even possibly as much as 4 percent by a tiny little bit. In a moment in our society when where we're seeing recycling 09700142.doc 60  STATE OF ILLINOIS 97th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 142nd Legislative Day 5/24/2012 numbers increase anyway naturally at a rate that would exceed that. And so the truth is that…"

"…that increment in your Bill, it's a blithe, it's going to be an invincible blithe. I stand in opposition to this Bill, not because I want towns all across Illinois to immediately start banning bags, but because I've talked to my own mayors who say, we just don't know where we're going to go and this completely ties our hands and it'll have a negligible impact on actual recycling. I urge a 'no' vote on this Bill."

"Mr. Reboletti for two minutes."

"State your inquiry, Sir."

"Representative May asked that earlier and I indicated we would have an answer before we voted, Sir."

"Please proceed."

"Mr. Reboletti and Representative May, in answer to your question about the vote requirement, the Chair rules that because of the preemption of Home Rule this Bill will require 71 votes. The Chair recognizes Mr. Rose." 09700142.doc 62  STATE OF ILLINOIS 97th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 142nd Legislative Day 5/24/2012

Speaker Lang: "That was definitely a conundrum, I didn't understand a word you said. The Chair recognizes Mr. Winters for two minutes, the last speaker on this Bill."

"Mr. Tryon to close."

"Gentleman's moved for the passage of the Bill. This Bill requires 71 votes. Those in favor of the Bill will vote 'yes'; opposed 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Representative Lilly. Representative Lilly. Please take the record. On this question, there are 70 voting 'yes', 46 voting 'no', 1 voting 'present'. And the Bill… Mr. Tryon."

Speaker Lang: "The Gentleman asked for a Postponed Consideration, Mr. Clerk. Mr. Lyons in the Chair."

Speaker Lyons: "Ladies and Gentlemen, we're proceeding to Second Readings on page 13 of the Calendar. Representative Feigenholtz has Senate Bill 2840. What's the status on that Bill, Mr. Clerk?"

"Representative Feigenholtz on Floor Amendment #4."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Amendment #5 does not allow Senate Bill 2840 the Smart Act to become law unless Senate Bill 3397 which is the Section 25 Finance Act Reform and House Bill 5007, the Cook County Waiver Bill to become law." 09700142.doc 66  STATE OF ILLINOIS 97th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 142nd Legislative Day 5/24/2012

"You've heard the Lady's explanation on Floor Amendment #4. The Chair… on the Amendment, Representative? On the Amendment, Representative Reboletti."

"Sponsor yields."

"Ladies and Gentlemen, this is a major piece of legislation."

"I'm… I'm sorry, Representative Reboletti."

"There'll be a lot of questions going back and forth. Sara, wait a second. We need to bring the noise level down, please. Shh… Thank you very much."

"It is. And I apologize, Representative Reboletti. Amendment #4 is the Smart Act."

"Seeing no further discussion, all those in favor of the adoption of Floor Amendment #4 signify by saying 'yes'; those opposed say 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. And Floor Amendment #4 is adopted. Anything further, Mr. Clerk?"

"Representative Feigenholtz on Floor Amendment #5."

"Thank you. Again, I confused my numbers. Amendment #5 all… does not allow Senate Bill 2840, the Smart Act, to become law unless Senate Bill 3397, which is the Section 25 language for this Act, and House Bill 5007 which is the Cook County waiver Bill to become law."

"You've heard the Lady's explanation on Floor Amendment #5. Seeing no discussion, all those in favor of its adoption signify by saying 'yes'; those opposed say 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. And Floor Amendment #5 is adopted. Anything further, Mr. Clerk?"

"Third Reading and read the Bill."

"Representative Feigenholtz on Senate Bill 2840 as amended."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Earlier this year we were… we had the Governor in this chamber. He told us that the Medicaid system was on the brink of collapse and that we had a $2.7 billion hole, and that we had to do something about it before we left here this spring. This Bill addresses those issues. The Smart Act was developed by all four caucuses. Representative Patti Bellock who's been talking about Medicaid reform for many years along with Senator Steans and Senator Righter who worked tirelessly along with our staff to try and craft a Bill that protected 09700142.doc 68  STATE OF ILLINOIS 97th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 142nd Legislative Day 5/24/2012 the neediest people here in the State of Illinois but also cut back on excesses in the program. We are, in this Bill, reducing eligibility to 133 percent of the federal poverty level rate for adults in the FamilyCare Program removing Illinois Cares Rx from… from law, improving integrity and putting a lot of measures in place on issues that we've been talking about, about eligibility and income verification. And I would be glad to answer any questions from Members of this House."

"Ladies and Gentlemen, can I have your attention for Leader Tom Cross."

"Thank you, Leader Cross. Representative Will Davis." Davis, W.: "Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"Sponsor yields." Davis, W.: "Representative, can you in any type, way, shape, form or fashion, explain to me what the impact of these cuts will be?"

"Representative, I can talk to you a little bit about how many people may be affected by the federal poverty level rate, how many people may be losing coverage when it comes to Illinois Cares Rx, but I could also tell you and assure you, that if we do nothing, all of Illinois and every vulnerable person who's Medicaid eligible will lose… the whole system will collapse." Davis, W.: "And I can appreciate it. A previous speaker talked about this was a happy medium. I don’t know what's happy about anything that we have to do here, particularly, for our populations or constituencies that are going to be overly impacted by these particular cuts or maybe it's happy because it's not his constituents, but it's certainly mine and I'm not happy about it, to be quite honest with you. But nevertheless, nevertheless… so, when we met with Director Hamos, when I say we, I'm talking about Members of 09700142.doc 72  STATE OF ILLINOIS 97th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 142nd Legislative Day 5/24/2012 the House Black Caucus, we talked about certain things that we wanted to at least make sure were protected or saved in the midst of this conversation. So what can you tell me about detox services?"

"Representative, in the original draft, almost all optional services were removed. And from that point on what we did as a group was we decided that optional services were originally designed to avert costs. When we revisited the issue of detox, we put it back in, and we believe that there… it will be able to be rectified with utilization control." Davis, W.: "So there will be services, detox services that will not be removed from certain hospitals?"

"That is correct." Davis, W.: "Okay. What can you tell me about wrap payments for FQHCs?"

"The FQHCs will be paid by the managed care companies and their…" Davis, W.: "You said 'will be'. Is that a… is that set in stone?"

"When… when this Act becomes law, I believe the legislation reflects that." Davis, W.: "Are you certain? I just had a conversation with the president of an FQHC who indicated that she was told by Director Hamos that they would have to go and negotiate additional dollars from managed care companies. You make it sound like that it's automatically going to happen. So will it happen or will it not happen?" 09700142.doc 73  STATE OF ILLINOIS 97th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 142nd Legislative Day 5/24/2012

"My understanding is, is that the Director of HFS has been in contact with FQHCs about exactly what you're talking about. They have agreed to enter in negotiations and they have reflected that they are satisfied with that as an answer." Davis, W.: "Well, it sounds like they didn't necessarily agree to negotiations, but they're being told that's what they're going to have to do in order to try to get these additional dollars."

"Representative, there is nothing in this Bill that anyone is completely happy about. I am not going to ever represent that." Davis, W.: "Okay. With regard to safety net hospitals, that is in this Bill, correct?"

"That is correct." Davis, W.: "So, was it that there was an original threshold I believe of Medicaid at 50 percent, that that was the original threshold and that that threshold was subsequently lowered to 40 percent?"

"Representative, if you're trying to ask about the calculation, it's 40 percent with 4 percent charity care." Davis, W.: "Well, that's what it is now, but was it always at that level?"

"That was always the proposal." Davis, W.: "That was always the proposal? Okay. I'll just end with this. Ladies and Gentlemen, to the Bill. It's my understanding that before or as this conversation got started, the question was, $2.7 billion, was that actually attainable in one year? It's my understanding that we have 09700142.doc 74  STATE OF ILLINOIS 97th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 142nd Legislative Day 5/24/2012 had experts come to this state to tell us that $2.7 billion was not attainable in one year. So, the question I think still remains, why so eager to get to that number in one year? While I understand what the Sponsor indicated that if something was not done, that the entire system would indeed collapse and I can appreciate that, but the question is, did we have to go this far in one year? And I think some would argue that while there was a need for reform, there was a need for change, there was a need to address the issues of waste, frod… fraud and abuse, that going this far, this quickly, is going to have a greater impact on communities than had we not taken our time, not to go against and not appreciate any of the work that the committee, the Medicaid Committee worked on and I understand and appreciate the long hours that they put into it, but the fact that we're going this far. I mean, if we're cutting rates to providers and they stop taking individuals, those individuals are going to wind up in emergency rooms. And if they wind up in emergency rooms, isn't that going to cost us more than if we were able to simply pay enough providers to take care of the individuals at the appropriate rate? The fact that we're making these kind of cuts in such a drastic way and such a quick way, in my opinion, certainly I think is what's going to damage our system even further. So, unfortunately, and is with regret that I would encourage a 'no' vote on this Bill. Give us an opportunity to go back and do it sensibly and in a way that we will not drastically and overburden communities, 09700142.doc 75  STATE OF ILLINOIS 97th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 142nd Legislative Day 5/24/2012 particularly like the ones that I represent, in this way. Thank you very much."

"Representative Mary Flowers."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. To the Bill. It's really amazing to me that there are 2.7 million people, women, children, seniors, and people that's disabled, 2.7 million that's going to be affected by this Bill that we are about to… or that's before us today and the budget deficit is 2.7 billion. There's just something about that 2.7, I don't know where these numbers came from, but there's something going on with that 2.7. And when you take into consideration that what we are about to do is going to be very harmful and it's going to be very dangerous to the State of Illinois and the people whom we're suppose to be here to help. And I think there's other ways that we can address this $2.7 billion deficit. I don't know where it's written in the law that this has to be balanced off the backs of poor people, off the backs of seniors, off the backs of the aged, blind, and the disabled. I haven't seen that in the years that I've been down here, but may I make a few suggestions, please. I would like to bring to your attention, what happened to the cigarette tax? I hear some of my colleagues on the other side of the aisle said, under no circumstances will they vote for a cigarette tax. Now that would bring $700 million in so we don't have to balance the budget off the backs of poor people. Whatever happened to making foreign dividends subject to Illinois income tax? That would bring in a mere $386 million. What about reinstituting the fund sweep of the surplus funds 09700142.doc 76  STATE OF ILLINOIS 97th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 142nd Legislative Day 5/24/2012 and… that's outside the General Revenue Fund. That would bring in 300 million. What about reducing the statutory transfer by nine percent? That's two million. What about eliminating the retail sales tax discount? That's 100 million. What about closing the corporate tax loophole on purchasing industry insurance? That's 10 million. What about broadening the sales tax to select consumer services? That's 550 million. What about closing the corporate loophole tax for offshore drilling? Offshore drilling, $75 million the State of Illinois is paying out. There's lots of things, Ladies and Gentlemen, we can do rather than putting senior citizens and disabled people out on the street without having access to their health care. And Representative, I would like to ask you a few questions, please, in regards to this Bill. There's a Section in the Bill that deals with who can have home health care services and who can go to nursing homes. But one of the requirements… one of the requirements is that you would first have to do something very expensive before you could have these services, and that is go to the hospital. Now why, if we are so broke and need to save so much money, would we force these people to go into the hospital before they can get the services that they rightfully deserve? Can you answer that, please?"

"Representative Flowers, in this Bill we are limiting home health to posthospitalization."

"That's not answering my… what do you mean by posthospitalization? The Bill says that if you want this service, that you have to be referred to the hospital. Now 09700142.doc 77  STATE OF ILLINOIS 97th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 142nd Legislative Day 5/24/2012 I know you're… there might be some changes made, but right now, the Bill that we are about to vote on has that language in it."

"Representative, we still have programs in the State of Illinois for people who need home health care such as the CCP Program and the Home Services Program at the Depart…"

"That's not answering my question. Is this language in the Bill that a certain group of people would have to go to the hospital first before they can get that service?"

"Yes."

"Okay. So, again, that's another waste. In regards to the administration, what's being changed in the administration? Are the hours going to change so people who can apply for Medicaid or… are there going to be different hours or are they still going to close at 5:00? That's number one."

"Representative, that's DHS…"

"But DH… wait, excuse me. We will not play semantics or deal with the initials, okay? Because DHS, part of DHS deal with Medicaid. Am I correct about that?"

"We are in the process…"

"And we're talking…"

"Representative, I know what you're talking about and if you let me answer, I'm going to tell you that the Human Services Appropriations Committee just this week discussed increasing staffing at the very offices that you're referring to."

"Is it in this Bill?" 09700142.doc 78  STATE OF ILLINOIS 97th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 142nd Legislative Day 5/24/2012

"No. Hopefully it's going to be in the budget."

"Hopefully. See Representative, that's part of the problem, that's how we got here in the first place because the administration. Now one other thing, by the way, right now, with the Department of Unemployment Insurance, you can go any place in the state. And as far as getting a driver's license, you can also go any place in the state. In regards to applying to Medicaid, can you go… I know you can apply at any office, but when it comes down to actually getting your services, you have to go to the one in your district and some of those office are very overcrowded and the quality… and there's been… there has been people standing in long lines. So, what about the… again, what's… what's being changed in regards to the administration? And by the way, by the way, Representative, it was testified to that the department does have a telephone line that they were referring people to, knowing that that telephone line would not be answered and was not operable. So, is this the type of services that we're going to continue to impede for the people who are in need of Medicaid? Will they be sent to a dead line where no one is answering the phone?"

"That's certainly not my intent…"

"Is anything…"

"…and we are trying to…"

"…to fix that in this Bill?"

"Representative, I think the reforms and the cost savings that we are going to be able to realize, hopefully, in this Bill, are going to be able to right the system. That would be my goal." 09700142.doc 79  STATE OF ILLINOIS 97th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 142nd Legislative Day 5/24/2012

"No, it will… no, what you're doing, because those people will be dead, you want to at the expense of people's lives, okay, because it's not the senior citizens, they're not writing the Bill nor are they try… they will… they'd be in a position to make this Bill right because they will be dead because they will not have access to health care. I want to know what's being done in the office, what's being done on the administrative side? What type of quality assurance are we bringing to the table in this legislation? What type of preventive fraud control are we bringing in regards to the contracts? In regards to the providers? What checks and balances are we bringing to the table in this legislation, Representative, that will save dollars for the people of the State of Illinois that will help close the gap? I know we will be eliminating people, I know we're going to lose matching federal funds, but you tell me, on the administrative side, what are we doing?"

"Representative, we are doing our best as I said earlier to shore up this system and to bring integrity back into it so that we can solve the problem…"

"Integrity… integrity, Representative, it sounds like it's business as usual to me inside the office, because let me explain. By not providing adults with the necessary dental services they need, is not assuring integrity. By not providing prescription Medicare (sic-Medicaid), that's… we're going to pay for the hospital services, Representative, we're going to pay for these same patients to go into the hospital. We're going to even pay for them to go into the nursing home, but oh, my goodness, if they 09700142.doc 80  STATE OF ILLINOIS 97th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 142nd Legislative Day 5/24/2012 ever need the prescription drug that will keep them out of the nursing home, that will keep them out of the hospital, we're going to deny that, and don't you think that a $10 bottle of pills is more effective than to have… than to have the patient to go into the hospital or to go to a nursing home?"

"Representative, Illinois is the only state that has an additional program like Illinois Cares Rx. Seniors get their drugs through Medicare Part D now."

"Oh, Representative, you're absolutely right. They do. Seniors do, some seniors. If their income is less than $10,000, Representative, but what about those seniors that's income is 10,001 up to $30,000? They will not be covered by Medicare Part D. That was the reason why, Representative, we had this Rx Program in the law. It was to save the state money; it was to save lives. It is the medically necessary prescription that the doctors have prescribed that we… have… we paid for it, Representative. We paid for these patients to go to see the doctors. We paid for the doctors to write the prescription. It's the prescription company, the doctors and the… the pharmaceutical companies, they're going to be paid, but the patients will not be able to get their medicine. So, would you please explain to me how that is saving money? And by the way, Representative, another thing. You know, we pass all kinds of laws about driving safely, but because you are… because you are having the seniors or the adults to get one pair of prescription glasses a year. Now, if a doctor says that the senior, I'm not talking about the 09700142.doc 81  STATE OF ILLINOIS 97th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 142nd Legislative Day 5/24/2012 children, but if the doctor says that the senior need prescriptions or need to have their eyes checked more than once, then what do they do?"

"Representative, group health insurance provides for the same provision for state employees. This was an overly generous plan and…"

"Overly generous? At least with the group health… with that group, they're working, Representative. They are working. So…"

"Representative, Representative Flowers…"

"So, if they want to put theirs on a payment plan, thank you…"

"Representative Flowers. Mar… Mary. Mary, we have several other speakers and I know how passionate you are. We'll let you continue, but I do have several other speakers, Mary, so…"

"I will…"

"…proceed but try to bring your remarks to the end."

"To… to the Bill. To the Bill, and thank you, Mr. Speaker. I really appreciate your time and your patience, but I just want to say to the Members of the Body, cutting prescription drugs for the people who need it the most should not be an option. This should not be the way that we should balance the budget. Having people to… the problem with Illinois is for the last 20 years we've underfund Medicaid. This is not what we should be doing. Let's close up the loopholes, Ladies and Gentlemen. Let's deal with some administrative cuts. Let's deal with some 09700142.doc 82  STATE OF ILLINOIS 97th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 142nd Legislative Day 5/24/2012 changes in the law in regards to what's going on, on the inside before we start causing people to die because we're trying to balance the budget off their backs. I'm not trying to take away anything from anyone about your long hours and your hard work. I commend you. If that's what you believe in, I respect that, that's your… you're entitled to that. But I know that this is wrong and this is not the right thing to do for the people of the State of Illinois. And I urge a 'no' vote. Thank you."

"Ladies and Gentlemen, we have numerous speakers and I'm not using the timer. I know how passionate on both sides of the issue we are, but I'd appreciate if you'd be considerate of the other speakers and try to bring your remarks within a five-minute range. Next speaker, Ken Dunkin."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield for questions?"

"Sponsor yields."

"Representative, I know you've worked hard on this, we certainly recognize the fiscal challenges that our state is… has… sort of… that we're in right now, quite some time. Can you explain to me how does the Affordable Care Act possibly play… come into play with this big modification? We're heading into the Affordable Care Act in about another year-and-a-half. How does that fiscally impact our state's Medicaid spin?"

"Well, Representative, we're certainly prepared and if the ACA survives the Supreme Court challenge, I mean, the one thing that we have to look forward to if the 09700142.doc 83  STATE OF ILLINOIS 97th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 142nd Legislative Day 5/24/2012 Affordable Care Act becomes law, is that adults without children will be finally covered by Medicaid and that will afford us a lot of opportunities for additional dollars. The Affordable Care Act also brings more… a higher rate, brings the Medicare rate to our practitioners. So, I'm not exactly sure what you're asking. I think it's something we're going to have to wait and see."

"So, but is… are there any projections of savings or savings cost reductions that have run across the committees 'cause…"

"I… I think if we take a look at perhaps the Cook County waiver. There has been a discussion and an effort to try and calculate perhaps what kind of an offset that opportunity would give us when we pass that and I'm looking forward to doing that."

"Is the Cook County waiver on this legislation? I didn't see it."

"It is not."

"Okay."

"It's not on here, but it is linked to this Bill."

"Sure. So at this point, you don't know the fiscal impact of the Affordable Care Act as it relates to our Medicaid cost reduction or savings?"

"Not as a state… not as a statewide program."

"Okay."

"Only as it pertains to Cook County, it might be calculable."

"Fair enough. Will… in this legislation, again, you have the authority, is the southwester… southwestern and 09700142.doc 84  STATE OF ILLINOIS 97th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 142nd Legislative Day 5/24/2012 the Sheridan drug treatment facilities, are they impacted with this particular legislation?"

"I don't think so."

"Are you sure, Representative?"

"I'm sorry. The southwestern drug…"

"The SWICC. There's a southwestern facility, a prison that runs… that's run by DOC, that has a drug treatment program in it, and I believe some… there are federal dollars and state dollars that impact that program even though it's housed in a DOC property… and shared in a correctional facility as well. Their medical program… there are health programs that are in those respective systems."

"You know what, I don't think this is in the Medicaid budget, Representative, although I will tell you that if these are people that are at 133 percent of the federal poverty level rate and they had been receiving care or there is federal match, I don't believe that that changes, but we can check on that."

"Okay. I appreciate that. You know, do… what I'd like to ask is, you know, Members… is there… why we running this Bill first compared to looking at revenue Bills that come through here? Because, it's so easy for us, Representative, to do cuts and eliminations and reductions, but we've only put on the table cuts, eliminations, and reductions. Did you argue the fact that we should start looking at revenues as well or at least come up with an omnibus Bill that would directly deal with our reductions or cuts along side our income generations, such as a cigarette tax?" 09700142.doc 85  STATE OF ILLINOIS 97th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 142nd Legislative Day 5/24/2012

"This was certainly part of the package that we're trying to cobble together to reach the $2.7 billion, but we do have a single subject issue when it comes to revenue in a Bill like this."

"Sure. Well, again, this is the second Bill that's going through a number of cuts and reductions. As a matter of fact, this is the most significant cut and reduction that we're probably going to be asked to vote on, but we have not had the discussion on significant revenue generation. And I'm looking for votes on both sides of the aisle to talk about ways in which we're going to pay for State Government. Ways in which we're going to pay for our pensions, we have not had that discussion. And so, this is the second major Bill and our most significant Bill and yet it's about cuts, it's about elimination, it's about reduction that some of my colleagues here, that's all they can talk about. Because, well, I don't want to put my personal perspective on this, but I would like… is there a possibility that you can table this Bill until we at least get out the cigarette tax vote and other revenue enhancement votes, Representative Feigenholtz?"

"Representative Dunkin, there is nothing more than I want than to ebb these cuts and come up with other revenues, but we're going to pass this Bill I hope today and hopefully we will pass revenues shortly thereafter."

"Well, see, I'm hopeful as well, but we walked the walk when we eliminated the health care… the health care benefits for seniors… for those who put in 25 and 30-plus years here as state employees, but we have not talked about 09700142.doc 86  STATE OF ILLINOIS 97th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 142nd Legislative Day 5/24/2012 generating revenue or ways in which we're going to pay for State Government. Clearly, we all understand where we need to head with getting our Medicaid costs under control. But we have not put any real skin in the game when it comes to paying for how we operate as a state. How we're dealing with pensions. We're talking about the cutting and eliminations far too much or far… significantly compared to us doing some heavy lifting. There are lots of Members who have no problems with making cuts and reductions. But what are we going to do to generate dollars? So, that's the real problem that I have, the inherent problem of how this process is going because we're putting the… with the horse… the cart before the horse as far as I'm concerned. I want to see what my coll… to the Bill. I want to see what my colleagues on both sides of the aisle are willing to do and are willing to sacrifice irrespective of their political stripe or their political dot or Party, on what it is that we have to do responsibly since some of us did not want to raise the income tax. Some of us don't want to vote for the cigarette tax. Some of us don't want to look at some of the lists that Representative Mary Flowers listed, some of the corporate income tax. She listed a myriad of income or revenue generators that's not even a part of this General Assembly's discussion. But we want to do the slice, slice, cut, cut on the backs of some of our most vulnerable citizens here in this state. Now I don't want to… I'm not going to talk too long on this, Representative, but what I do want to do is to make sure that we don't have deaf ears on what we have to do in order to pay for State 09700142.doc 87  STATE OF ILLINOIS 97th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 142nd Legislative Day 5/24/2012 Government in order to become fiscally responsible. Thank you, Representative, for your indulgence."

"Representative Mayfield. Rita Mayfield, wish to speak to the Bill?"

"I wish to yield my time to Rep Flowers."

"Representative Flowers, are you utilizing that time, Mary? Please, I've asked you to, you know, keep your remarks within a time frame, considerate to everybody else. Thank you."

"Thank you. Representative Feigenholtz, can you please answer a few of the questions? How are we going to pay for it? What happened to the revenue? Where's the revenue?"

"We're… there… we're still talking about it, Representative Flowers."

"So, Representative, I, too, think that this system that we have had since the '50s is broken, and it is time for a change. But this is one thing you really have to remember. We're going to get a dollar for a dollar with a Medicaid match. So, we can do this right and maximize many people to get what they are entitled to and get our money back. But in the meantime, there's some other dollars out there that can be used… that can be used, whereas, that we don't have to hurt senior citizens. You know, I had the experience one time of going to Walgreens to pick up my own prescription, and Representative, until such time you see a elderly person… when the Medicare Part D Program first was implemented, the worst thing you could do is see a elderly person standing at the counter and say that she can't afford her prescription drugs. And she had to leave her 09700142.doc 88  STATE OF ILLINOIS 97th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 142nd Legislative Day 5/24/2012 prescription drugs at the counter. That's heart wrenching, Representative. And so you have to ask yourself, whatever happened to that senior? Did she go home to die? That's not what we want. Can you please take this Bill out of the record? It's not going… we're not trying to take anything away from you. We're not trying to stall for time. We understand what it is that you're trying to do, but just the way you're going about doing it is not right, Representative. You know, just because you all worked long and hard on this issue, doesn't mean that you were working on the right thing and working… and going toward the right direction. So, I ask you, again, the changes that's necessary for this program to be successful and for Illinois to get out of the hole, can you tell me the game plan because it's not in the Bill? It's not in the legislation."

"Representative Flowers, I said it earlier. If we don't do something, our providers will be at a over 300-day payment cycle. There will be no health care. For the last few years, doors in Illinois have been silently closing. Our providers who have not gotten paid are shutting their doors on our poor and the most vulnerable. The very senior citizen that you're talking about is already being denied health care because we have to stop and evaluate and look at what we're doing. We… I stood on this House Floor with you, Mary Flowers and with a lot of our Republican colleagues and passed the FamilyCare Bill which we are undoing today because, unfortunately, we cannot be all things to all people in this state. We have to save this 09700142.doc 89  STATE OF ILLINOIS 97th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 142nd Legislative Day 5/24/2012 program for the future of the children in the State of Illinois, for the families of the State of Illinois and for the poorest in the State of Illinois. And I know it seems ironic, but this is the only way we can accomplish that."

"And Representative, with all due respect, I've worked… you and I have cried together, we fought together, we played together and we worked hard together. And I have the upmost respect for what it is that you do. And this is not the only way. See, that's what I'm trying to get you to see, Representative. This is not the only way. If I may tell you one more time, let's close up some of the tax loopholes. Can we try that way first? Because when you say… when you say that there will be no health care, there will be no health care for these people. The… there will… there's 160 to 180,000 people that will not have prescription drug coverage. There will be no health care for them, Representative. There's no access to care for them. They're not poor enough… they're not poor enough, so you have to have an income of less than $10,000 in order to apply for the Medicare Part D. But once again, if we do away with the Domestic Product Credit which is $200 million, if we deal with the oil offshore drilling which is $75 million, let's deal with the online hotel purchase. They don't pay taxes when they order… do their hotel rooms online. That's $25 million. The industry insurance, that's 10 million. I'm trying to show you, Representative, there is a way. We don't have to do it this way. And the only thing I'm asking you, please, I'm begging you, Representative, for the life of the people who's going to 09700142.doc 90  STATE OF ILLINOIS 97th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 142nd Legislative Day 5/24/2012 die as a result of this legislation. I'm begging you, please, let us do something different. Let's just try it this way because there's nothing in the legislation that would address any of the cures…"

"Representative, I gave you a full five minutes additional time. There's numerous other speakers that wish to talk. Chair recognizes Representative Randy Ramey. And Representative, please within five minutes. I’m being very generous with the time, but I'd appreciate your consideration also."

"Sponsor yields."

"Representative, there has been a lot of conversation and Representative Bellock, who's been working on this, is really the expert when it comes to eligibility verification, and we have incorporated a…"

"Oh, good."

"That is right."

"Correct."

"Correct."

"There's a very strong commitment, Representative Ramey, to do exactly what you said earlier, which is to root out the bad actors, the people who don't belong in the program, the providers who may be abusing the system as well as enrollees, to finally get an outside vendor who can use all kinds of databases to scrub the rolls."

"Hundred and thirty-three percent."

"It's 15 thousand approximately for one person."

"Fifteen, one five."

"No. That is 133 percent of the federal poverty level rate."

"Correct."

"It is."

"Eighteen months after this Bill becomes law."

"You know, there was a lot of discussion that went on here, and this seemed to be where it landed, 18 months."

"I understand that, and from what I understand, there are just as many who aren't."

"Representative, I… I think that there will be continuing discussion about this, but at this point, the 18-month provision is going to remain in the Bill. We are all committed to making sure that all of our providers, all 09700142.doc 93  STATE OF ILLINOIS 97th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 142nd Legislative Day 5/24/2012 across the State of Illinois, are able to keep their doors open. I…"

"I'm sorry?"

"You know what, Representative, this is a very complicated… it's a very diverse group of providers. This was the best we could do at this juncture, but I know that there are those of us who will continue to work on this. If we have to step in and remediate for Veto Session, we will do it."

"Representative we're…"

"One of the things that we can do is when we start paying down our Medicaid bills, our payment cycle, simply by virtue of the…" 09700142.doc 94  STATE OF ILLINOIS 97th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 142nd Legislative Day 5/24/2012

"Sara, I'll let you finish your answer. Randy, we've gone a little more than five minutes. So, Sara, continue and then we'll go to our next speaker."

"Simply by virtue of Medicaid liability shrinking and the payment cycle improving, we're hoping that the very providers that you're talking about get paid on time. We will certainly work toward that end."

"Representative Tryon. Five minutes, Mike."

"Sponsor yields."

"Representative Tryon, one of the things that I'd like to remind the Body about is this is a Bill about reduction, and the simple fact that RUGs even made it into this Bill is amazing as well as the rate reform piece on the hospital portion of this Bill. I am committed… I promise I will continue to work with you on this matter. I, too, have concerns, but again, one of the things that… that gives me comfort as a resolution about this, is shrinking that payment cycle."

"That is the key provision of this. The Republicans…"

"Section 25 is going to fix all of this, Representative Tryon."

"We're the Legislature; we can do anything."

"Representative, I promise to work with you on this. You know, I've given every possible answer for a resolution at this moment in time."

Speaker Lyons: "Representative Dwight Kay. Five minutes, Representative."

"Sponsor yields."

"Although it's a very difficult number to calculate, our wonderful staff who's been working around the clock for at least a month, every day, came up with the magic number of 12 percent."

"Approximately. Ish."

"I believe that we've been growing on average about five to seven percent a year. If the economy improves, perhaps we will level off. I have seen that in other utilization charts in other parts of the Health and Human Services arena. It's really hard to say."

"But I'm sure we'll be watching it very carefully."

"Yes, it is."

"The OIG will be watching carefully."

"I am hopeful and optimistic."

"If we do nothing today, as I mentioned earlier, I mean, already… there's not a Legislator in this room who has not gotten a phone call from a long-term care facility, a hospital, a mental health provider, somebody who's providing DD or substance abuse services in their communities about how we are borrowing on the backs of providers. We have to stop this or the whole system of human services and health care in this state is going to collapse. So, we are literally on the verge, Representative, if we do nothing, our payment cycle will extend out, as I said earlier in debate, to maybe a year and there will be no health care system and no Medicaid in Illinois."

"Yes."

"Leader Lou Lang."

"Thank you. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"Sponsor yields."

"Representative, you and I have had a few conversations about one portion of this Bill dealing with elderly people and their assets and we discussed that Director Hamos and her agency worked with JCAR over a period of about 18 months and proposed rules and reproposed rules and re- reproposed rules, and in the end, JCAR had rejected those rules and then we found some of those rejected rules in this legislation. You recall having that conversation with me?"

"Yes, I do. Going forward but not backward."

"Right. And so, I do want to say that they took the retroactivity out and in the area of spousal impoverishment there were some changes that satisfied those that deal with this in the industry. And there's an area called Pool Trust which I understand is not going to be touched at all, but there's one area I just want to discuss with you. The area of homesteads and trust. On this issue, the Director had said that her understanding of their intent is that they don't want to be able to go after the assets of the homesteads and trusts after the community spouse has passed on. She said that they don't intend to kick living community spouses out of their homes and trust. Is that correct?"

"Yes, Sir."

"Now having said that, that's not exactly what the Bill says. And if you read the strict language of the Bill, the 09700142.doc 100  STATE OF ILLINOIS 97th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 142nd Legislative Day 5/24/2012 Bill doesn't say that at all, and so, it's important for legislative intent that you state for the record that it's not the intent of this Bill, the department or yourself to remove these people from their homes."

"That is correct."

"Thank you very much."

Speaker Lyons: "Representative Monique Davis. Five minutes, Monique." Davis, M.: "Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"Sponsor yields." Davis, M.: "Representative, what is the drug rebate fund?"

"It is a fund where our drug rebates get deposited, Representative." Davis, M.: "So, you get it from the Federal Government?"

"No. That… that comes from drug manufacturers." Davis, M.: "So, the drug manufacturer rebates to you some of the cost for prescription drugs?"

"Yes." Davis, M.: "And you want to use that money for administrative purposes?"

"Just a very small piece of it is… we're intending to use for the Medicaid program." Davis, M.: "So, when people have to call in for permission for a procedure, someone will have to answer that telephone and be on the other line and it will be a number where people do answer the phone so that they can get the waivers they need. Will that happen hopefully with this administrative fund?"

"Yes." 09700142.doc 101  STATE OF ILLINOIS 97th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 142nd Legislative Day 5/24/2012 Davis, M.: "And about veterans, why are we going to encourage veterans to use federal facilities?"

"For better services, Representative." Davis, M.: "Well, are you sure that happens? Now, we know sometimes veterans will say they would rather not go to a veterans hospital because of a long wait or because they don't have the best medical procedures for them at that location. Are we really going to encourage them to not to get the care, the very best of care?"

"Representative, I think that the veterans' program has improved dramatically recently in the last few years. I mean, I understand what you're referring to. I have those same recollections." Davis, M.: "Well, I'm not sure. What's the difference between the Army and that National Guards? The Nat… I'm sorry. Is it true the National Guard Members cannot go to the federally funded hospitals? I don't know. The veteran hospitals?"

"Are these trick questions, Representative Davis?" Davis, M.: "No, they are not."

"I'm kidding." Davis, M.: "I'm asking you…"

"I don't know." Davis, M.: "No, listen carefully. No, no, listen very, very carefully. I am asking you because I don't know the answer."

"If they are Medicaid eligible…" Davis, M.: "We listen… no, no, no, no…"

"…they'll be served." 09700142.doc 102  STATE OF ILLINOIS 97th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 142nd Legislative Day 5/24/2012 Davis, M.: "…no, no, no. We claim in this Body that we love and we respect our veterans, and here in this Bill you are saying to me that National Guard's people, who have gone to Afghanistan and these other places, will be encouraged to use a federal veteran's facility. Now, I don't object to that, but I do object to us not thinking that they may have great need for the very best medical care."

"If their needs cannot be met at the VA, we will pay for them." Davis, M.: "Well, it just doesn't say that."

"If they're Medicaid eligible." Davis, M.: "Dental care, only for emergencies? Now surely, surely, someone in this working group, surely someone there knew that lack of dental care especially for seniors, can create a nutritional deficit that creates health problems. Surely someone in that group could tell you that dental care, not just emergency care, but good dental care allows seniors to be able to eat food properly, chew the food properly, therefore, they're digesting nutrition and it keeps them healthy. Surely we know that."

"Representative, I… I never said that this Bill was pretty." Davis, M.: "But it's almost dangerous. Not just pretty, it really looks very dangerous. I mean, something as critical as a senior citizen being able to get dental care so they can eat properly so they don't get really, really sick and have to go to an emergency room."

"Representative, your time has expired. We'll give you another minute, Monique, to finish your thoughts." 09700142.doc 103  STATE OF ILLINOIS 97th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 142nd Legislative Day 5/24/2012 Davis, M.: "Thanks. Is the AARP in support of this Bill?"

"I really don't… I haven't looked on my analysis. I'm not sure." Davis, M.: "I understand the purpose, but I agree with Representative Flowers. We had many, many places to look for revenue. I urge a 'no' vote."

Speaker Lyons: "Our final speaker will be Representative Bellock and then Representative Feigenholtz to close. Representative Patti Bellock. Patricia, you're up."

"Representative Feigenholtz."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. For purposes of legislative intent, this Amendment and its intent is the General Assembly that the department will implement one level of care eligibility criteria for institutional and home and community-based care. I'd like to thank Patricia Bellock, I never thought I'd be able to work with a Sox fan so closely, but one of the things that I know is that each and every person in this chamber feels very passionately about how we deliver health care in the State of Illinois. I certainly know that I do and that's why I am here. I hope that we can continue to work together to fortify, as Representative Bellock said, a system that the poorest and the most vulnerable people in this state depend on because it's not happening right now. But this Bill will change all of that. This legislation would not exist were it not for the hours and hours and days and weeks and months of tireless work and I am going to mention some people, and 09700142.doc 106  STATE OF ILLINOIS 97th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 142nd Legislative Day 5/24/2012 please forgive me, but Ashley Snavely, Jim Foys, Kim Schultz, Jeanette Badrov, Copal Casey Eagleson and Parker from HFS and of course the Director Julie Hamos, our former colleague, and we cannot forget the author who took time from his private life to come here, Dave Ellis, our former chief counsel to help us craft this legislation. Our staff and my budget director, John Lowder, the heavy hand of John Lowder pushed this boat from shore, and in the canoe he gave us a gift and her name is Samantha Olt. I'd like to give our staffs an incredible round of applause for all the work they did on this. It is enormous and monumental. Ladies and Gentlemen, stand tall on voting 'yes' on this Bill. It will right our ship of state. We will have to come back and fix things, it is not perfect, but it deserves your support for the future of the State of Illinois. I encourage an 'aye' vote. Thank you."

Speaker Lyons: "The question is, 'Should Senate Bill 2840 pass?' All those in favor signify by voting 'yes'; those opposed vote 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Acevedo, Smith, Thapedi, like to be recorded? Clerk, take the record. On this Bill, there's 94 Members voting 'yes', 22 voting 'no', 1 voting 'present'. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Bellock, for what purpose do you seek recognition?"

"Representative Mary Flowers, what purpose do you seek recognition, Mary?"

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to invite everyone to a reception at the Governor's Mansion for the new Director of Public Health, LaMar Hasbrouck, and it will start at 6:30 p.m. at the Governor's Mansion, to welcome the new Department of Public Health Director. Thank you."

Speaker Lyons: "Thank you, Representative Flowers. Representative Will Davis… Representative Dan Beiser, you've been very patient, Dan. Personal privilege?"

"Yes. I'd let the record to reflect that on Senate Bill 3367 my vote should have been a 'yes'."

Speaker Lyons: "The Journal will reflect your request, Representative. Mr. Clerk, on page 13 of the Calendar, under Senate Bills-Second Reading, Representative Will Davis has Senate Bill 2934. What's the status on that Bill, Mr. Clerk?"

"Representative Will Davis on Floor Amendment #2." Davis, W.: "Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. With regards to the Bill, Floor Amendment #2 essentially allows those entities that have an application in process before the 09700142.doc 108  STATE OF ILLINOIS 97th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 142nd Legislative Day 5/24/2012 passage of the substantive part of this Bill will allow them to be held to the old rules versus being subjected to the new rules. Be more than happy to answer any other questions."

"You heard the Gentleman's explanation. Is there any discussion? Seeing none, all those in favor of the adoption of Floor Amendment #2 signify by saying 'yes'; those opposed say 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. And the Amendment is adopted. Anything further, Mr. Clerk?"

"Third Reading. Leader Frank Mautino, you have a Bill on Second Reading, Frank, Senate Bill 2706 on the Order of Second Readings. Read the… what's the status on that Bill, Mr. Clerk?"

"Third Reading. Leader Dan Burke, on the Order of House Bills-Second Readings, on page 3 of the Calendar, you have House Bill 4277. What's the status on that Bill, Mr. Clerk?"

"Leader Dan Burke on Floor Amendment #1." 09700142.doc 109  STATE OF ILLINOIS 97th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 142nd Legislative Day 5/24/2012 Burke, D.: "Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I would move for the adoption of Floor Amendment #1. This is a proposal that is… I would… it's common sense that would help ensure that all public school students are treated equally when it comes to school funding. And Ladies and Gentlemen, this would be the equal funding for charter school students. Be happy to answer any questions."

Speaker Lyons: "Gentleman moves for the adoption of Floor Amendment #1. All those in favor signify by saying 'yes'; those opposed say 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. And Floor Amendment #1 is adopted. Anything further, Mr. Clerk?"

"Leader Burke on Amendment 2." Burke, D.: "Thank you, again, Mr. Speaker. I would move for the adoption of Amendment #2. And this is a matter that would simply extend the effective date of the legislation to 2013."

Speaker Lyons: "Gentleman moves for the adoption of Floor Amendment #2. All those in favor signify by saying 'yes'; those opposed say 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. And the Amendment is adopted. Anything further, Mr. Clerk?"

"Well, we'll leave that Bill on the Order of Second Reading then, Mr. Clerk. I think that's a good idea. Continuing where we left off, Ladies and Gentlemen, on page 7 of the Calendar, Representative Ed Sullivan. Representative Sullivan on the floor? We'll come back. Representative Mayfield. Representative Rita Mayfield, on the bottom of page 7, you have Senate Bill 3453. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Representative Rita Mayfield."

"Okay. Basically what this Bill does, it just establishes a special fund for the State Treasury to hold moneys that were received from DECO. This is no new moneys. We just need a mechanism in which to place these moneys so they can be better distributed. There is no opposition to the Bill. I'd appreciate an 'aye' vote."

"You've heard the Lady's explanation. Is there any discussion? The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from McHenry, Representative Jack Franks."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"Sponsor yields."

"Representative, where is this money coming from?"

"This is money that already comes to DCEO from ComEd, from the utility company."

"So, why do we need a separate fund if they're already getting the money?"

"Okay. Because the money right now… I'm trying to… I need to tell you exactly what it is. This right here was 09700142.doc 111  STATE OF ILLINOIS 97th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 142nd Legislative Day 5/24/2012 an initiative that we were working on. The money is not… give me one moment. Hold on one moment, please."

"Sure."

"The money was initially… the program was initially funded. There was not a designated fund for this money, and we need a statutory change in order to hold this money. That's my understanding."

"I thought there was, because we had some Bills that we had passed before, I think prior to you being here, where we gave tax breaks and incentives for those that used energy efficient appliances or whether it was wind or solar, but those were always spent down very quickly and there was never enough money in those funds for all the individuals who actually applied. And I'm wondering how this would help, if at all? I'm just not sure what this Bill really does 'cause I thought that we already had those type of accounts and then they were paid out."

"My understanding is the money is going into a general fund as opposed to a special fund which is being requested by the department."

"Okay. Maybe somebody from the department can come talk to me about it later. I just don't get it, but thank you."

"Representative Mayfield to close."

"I appreciate an 'aye' vote."

Speaker Lyons: "The question is, 'Should Senate Bill 3453 pass?' All those in favor signify by voting 'yes'; those opposed vote 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? 09700142.doc 112  STATE OF ILLINOIS 97th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 142nd Legislative Day 5/24/2012 Representative McAuliffe, Saviano, Senger and Cassidy, would you like to be recorded? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Bill, there's 116 Members voting… 117 Members voting 'yes', 0 voting 'no'. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Members, I'm on page 8 of the Calendar, Senate Bills-Third Reading, so heads up if you've got a Bill. Representative Marcus Evans. Representative Evans, you have, on the top of page 8 on the Order of Third Readings, Senate Bill 3484. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

Speaker Lyons: "Gentleman from Cook, Representative Marcus Evans." Evans, M.: "Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Bill 3484 adding an optometrist to the Board of Health. Currently there are 19 members on the Board of Health. I would like to add a twentieth member, an optometrist, to the Board of Health."

"You heard the Gentleman's…" Evans, M.: "I'd like to ask for an 'aye' vote."

"…explanation. Is there any discussion? Chair recognizes Leader Mike Bost."

Speaker Lyons: "Leader Lou Lang. Twenty minutes for questioning, Leader?"

"Thank you. Will the Gentleman yield?"

"Gentleman yields."

"Thank you. Representative, I think I heard Mr. Bost ask you about how you break the tie if you have 20 members? How you going to go about doing that?" Evans, M.: "Again, I spoke to the department. It was relayed to me that this is rarely an issue with close votes, so they didn't expect 20… to have an even number of members to be an issue."

"All right. You're going to have to say that again, Sir. So… so, let's say it's a 10 to 10 tie, what happens then?" 09700142.doc 116  STATE OF ILLINOIS 97th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 142nd Legislative Day 5/24/2012 Evans, M.: "That's not really a precedent, and before they've never really had an issue that would cause to be that close of a vote, so…"

"All right. Well, I don't get that answer, Sir, but let's move on to the next issue. So, you want to add an optometrist to this board, is that correct?" Evans, M.: "Yes, Sir."

"So, do the other people that treat the eyes have a problem with that? Are you discriminating against ophthalmologists?" Evans, M.: "No."

"Have you talked to them?" Evans, M.: "Yes. I visited the College of Optometry in the City of Chicago and yes."

"So, you visited the College of Optometry, but did you visit a medical school where they teach ophthalmology?" Evans, M.: "No."

"I… and don't make me say it again either cause I tripped over the word. So, you don't know if the doctors that do the eyes have an objection to you adding these folks that are not doctors?" Evans, M.: "No, they never reached out to me and I didn't speak to any ophthalmologists."

"And so you might be discriminating against a whole class of people?" Evans, M.: "Yeah, well, if they're interested as my colleague mentioned, then I'll run a trailer Bill and ask them later." 09700142.doc 117  STATE OF ILLINOIS 97th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 142nd Legislative Day 5/24/2012

"So, you don't think it's your responsibility to sort of reach out to them, they must reach out to you?" Evans, M.: "In the future, I'll reach out to them, Sir."

"In the future?" Evans, M.: "Yeah."

"If the Bill passes it might be too late, right?" Evans, M.: "No, we can add a trailer Bill, Sir."

"Okay. Pretty good answer. So, these b… board members are all appointed by the Governor? Fits you great, really. Fits you great. I wish I had an optometrist here so I could see that better. So, can we get back to my question now that you look so amazing. And by the way, that's not red, but it's probably the best we can do. These board members are appointed by the Governor, Sir?" Evans, M.: "Yes."

"Which Governor?" Evans, M.: "The current Governor."

"Our Governor, the Governor of Illinois, right?" Evans, M.: "Yes. Yes…"

"All right." Evans, M.: "…Sir, the Governor of Illinois."

"And it's done with the advice and consent of the Senate. So, you're including the Senate in this are you not?" Evans, M.: "Yes."

"Have you talked to anyone in the Senate about whether they're interested in doing this hard and heavy work?" Evans, M.: "This is a Senate Bill so it passed the Senate."

"Well, I see that Senator Delgado, who used to be a House Member in fact, and probably enjoyed it better here, I see 09700142.doc 118  STATE OF ILLINOIS 97th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 142nd Legislative Day 5/24/2012 he's… did you talk to him about this issue about burdening the Senate with this process?" Evans, M.: "No, Sir, I did not."

"Yeah. You know, you should have done that. Because Senators don't like all that extra work you're going to pile on them. I've met some of those Senators and they're not all that interested in this work. Why don't you take this part out of the Bill; we'll wait while you do it?" Evans, M.: "No thanks, Sir. I like the Bill as it's currently written."

"Well, we're going to decide whether we like the Bill as it currently is, but thank you, Sir, I appreciate your answers." Evans, M.: "Thank you, Leader."

"Representative Thaddeus Jones, you have your light on, but I don't see you at your desk, Representative. Representative Jones."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Just have a couple of questions of Representative. Representative who…"

"Representative Evans awaits your questions."

"Just commend you for bringing this legislation. How did you get this legislation? Who brought this legislation to you? That's all right, Representative, I'll move on." Evans, M.: "Thank you."

"I just want to, Representative, just wanted to know if you want to take this Bill out of the record. I have a better Bill, it's a snow removal Bill that did real well in the House. It's my first Bill, and I'd like to sign over 09700142.doc 119  STATE OF ILLINOIS 97th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 142nd Legislative Day 5/24/2012 sponsorship to you and it'd be a better Bill than this Bill." Evans, M.: "No…"

"Just wondered if you want to take that Bill?" Evans, M.: "No, I'd like to keep this Bill in the record."

"Okay. Thank you, Mr. Speaker."

"Representative Ken Dunkin. Representative, can you limit…"

"Thank you."

"…you're limited to 20 minutes for questions…"

"Twenty minutes, you got it."

"…so please stay within the timeline."

"Representative, the College of Optometry is located where? Your district? Whose district is it located in?" Evans, M.: "It's located in your district."

"In whose?" Evans, M.: "It's located in…"

"Well…" Evans, M.: "Well, actually…"

"Wait, now make up your mind, is it mine or Kim du Buclet's?" Evans, M.: "It's partially located in Representative Ken Dunkin's district and the other side of the building is located in Representative du Buclet's district."

"So, did you get permission to engage or come to our district and talk with one of our constituents from either Kim du Buclet or myself?" Evans, M.: "No." 09700142.doc 120  STATE OF ILLINOIS 97th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 142nd Legislative Day 5/24/2012

"Why not? You didn't think we saw you come into the optometry school? I've been getting calls all weekend when you were there. What did you see?" Evans, M.: "I learned a lot about optometry, Representative."

"Did you learn about what jackets to wear? Were you wearing that pink jacket?" Evans, M.: "No."

"Really now. So, Representative Lou Lang asked a very serious question about ophthalmologists and I'm really curious as of why they're not on this board because this is pretty significant. This is a health board, you say?" Evans, M.: "Yes, the Board of Health, Illinois Board of Health."

"Is it a plastic board or is it corrugated, is it wood or… what kind of board is it? Is it a plank?" Evans, M.: "It's a board of 20 health professionals including physicians and other health professions in…"

"Dietitians and… any veterinarians on the board?" Evans, M.: "No. There's one veterinarian on the board, yes."

"One veterinarian. Who else? Any… any manicurists on the board?" Evans, M.: "No."

"What's the difference between a optometrist and ophthalmologist? I think that question may have been asked, but I didn't hear the response." Evans, M.: "An ophthalmologist focuses more on surgical procedures, an optometrist focuses mostly on vision and basic eye care, your glasses. So an ophthalmologist would do more of an extensive surgery on an individual. Once you 09700142.doc 121  STATE OF ILLINOIS 97th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 142nd Legislative Day 5/24/2012 see your optometrist, you'll be generally referred to a ophthalmologist."

"Once you see your optom… ophthalmologist. So, is there someone who is pre-identified to serve as this optometrist on this board? This even number of 20?" Evans, M.: "No."

"So, who's going to make the selection?" Evans, M.: "The Governor will make that selection I’m sure. The Governor."

"Do you know what criteria the Governor's going to use?" Evans, M.: "No, other than being an optometrist."

"So you're just giving the Governor all of this extra power to do what he needs to do and we don't know who he's going to pick, where they're going to come from and… do they have to live in the State of Illinois?" Evans, M.: "Yes, I believe so."

"You believe so. So, it's a 'may' or a 'shall', which one is it?" Evans, M.: "Yes."

"Oh, it's a yes. Okay. So what is the length of stay or the length of term for them to serve? Is it two years, four years?" Evans, M.: "I'm not aware of a term limit."

"Oh, really now. So, they serve on this board for life? Three years, 10 years, no years, dog years?" Evans, M: "No, it's not for life. I'm not aware of a term limit." 09700142.doc 122  STATE OF ILLINOIS 97th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 142nd Legislative Day 5/24/2012

"You know, we don't like that term… that word or that term, term limit here, so… term limit is every election. So…"

"Representative, I have about 25 more speakers, so…"

"Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Speaker." Evans, M.: "Thank you, Sir."

"Our final speaker will be Representative Dennis Reboletti. It worked. It worked."

"Sponsor yields."

"Representative Marcus Evans to close." Evans, M.: "Again, this is my Bill to add a member to the Board of Health. You know, I believe that… I believe it's a good Bill only because an optometrist, they definitely play a key role. I found out visiting the College of Optometry that I'm nearsighted myself, so, and I'll be, you know, soon wearing glasses. They service a lot of individuals in my community of low income. So, I request that you vote 'yes' on my first Bill. Thank you." 09700142.doc 125  STATE OF ILLINOIS 97th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 142nd Legislative Day 5/24/2012

Speaker Lyons: "You've heard the Gentleman's request. He's looking for 'yes' votes on his first Bill. All those in favor vote 'yes'; all those against vote 'no'. The voting in open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Gordon, Morrison, I don't think you're recorded yet. Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Bill, there's 105 Members voting 'yes', 11 voting 'no'. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Congratulations, Representative Marcus Evans on Bill number one. Mr. Clerk."

"Members, I've been advised that the House will stand at ease. We will be back together probably about 6:15, so don't go too far away. We'll stand at ease 'til the hour of 6:15."

"The House will be in order. Members will be in their chairs. Representative Lang in the Chair. On page 4 of the Calendar, under the Order of House Bills-Second Reading, there appears House Bill 4866, Representative Mathias. Please read the Bill."

"Mr. Mathias." 09700142.doc 126  STATE OF ILLINOIS 97th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 142nd Legislative Day 5/24/2012

"Mr. Clerk, what is the status of Amendments 1, 2 and 3, please?"

"They have not been adopted. You can withdraw, table or ignore them as you wish, Sir."

"Gentleman moves to table Amendments 1, 2 and 3. Is there leave? Leave is granted. The three Amendments are tabled. Proceed on Amendment 4, Sir."

"Those in favor of the Amendment will say 'yes'; opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Mr. Clerk."

"Third Reading. Please read the Bill for a third time."

"Mr. Mathias." 09700142.doc 127  STATE OF ILLINOIS 97th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 142nd Legislative Day 5/24/2012

"Gentleman moves for the passage of the Bill. The Chair recognizes Representative Bellock."

"Representative Paul Evans." Evans, P: "Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"Gentleman yields." Evans, P: "I rise to speak on behalf of this Bill. I do not know if anyone remembers last week when I had my daughter here with me who's been paralyzed since birth, who's in an electric wheelchair and cannot get gas for her vehicle. We always have to arrange to make sure she has gas or that someone is there with her. So, I simply can testify that this is a problem for anyone in a wheelchair. We always have to work in advance. I do not want her to be ever 09700142.doc 129  STATE OF ILLINOIS 97th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 142nd Legislative Day 5/24/2012 running out of fuel. I think this is an excellent Bill and I strongly encourage all of you. If you do not have a person in a wheelchair in your life, you don't know that this simple aspect can… can stop your daily activity and this is something that's needed. Thank you."

"Those in favor of the Bill will vote 'yes'; opposed 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Representatives Dugan and May. Please take the record. On this question, there are a 117 voting 'yes', 0 voting 'no'. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Mr. Clerk, Committee Report."

"Mr. Clerk, Agreed Resolutions."

"Leader Currie moves for the adoption of the Agreed Resolutions. Those in favor say 'yes'; opposed 09700142.doc 130  STATE OF ILLINOIS 97th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 142nd Legislative Day 5/24/2012 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Agreed Resolutions are adopted. Mr. Clerk, on the Supplemental Calendar #1, under the Order of Concurrence, appears House Bill 5007. Leader Currie."

"Thank you, Speaker and Members of the House. I move to concur with Senate Amendments 5 and 6 to House Bill 5007. The measure would provide authority for the Department of HealthCare and Family Services to ask for a waiver from the state Medicaid rules so that the County of Cook could participate in a shared Medicaid program with people who are uninsured and are low in income and who, should the Supreme Court approve the new federal health care law, would become eligible for Medicaid in 2014. Today these individuals are charges of the County of Cook, its health and health care system and the cost of their care is paid for entirely by the citizens of Cook County. Under the waiver, the cost would be shared 50 percent between the county and the Federal Government. Were we to approve this opportunity and were the Federal Government to approve the waiver, the state itself would be able to save some $36 million because we supply certain kinds of services, breast and cervical cancer, AIDS drugs and so forth. And so, therefore, if we approve this we can ask for the waiver for Cook County, the state can save $36 million and people who live in Cook County would be able to find care at Cook County Hospital for the next five years. I would be happy to answer your questions. This to me is a win-win, win, win, win, win, it's a win for the citizens of Cook County. It's a win for the taxpayers of Cook County. 09700142.doc 131  STATE OF ILLINOIS 97th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 142nd Legislative Day 5/24/2012 It's a win for the State of Illinois and it is a win for better health care for the people of Cook."

Speaker Lang: "Lady moves for the… Concurrence on the two Senate Amendments. The Chair recognizes Mr. Durkin."

"Lady yields."

"Right. Right now I can tell you that Stroger Hospital, we spend 419 million at Stroger, that doesn't count money that the county is spending at its clinics and in various agreements it might have with other health care providers. So if most of those people I would think would be Medicaid eligible, perhaps not all of them, but even if… even if a third of them are Medicaid eligible that is a very significant savings to the taxpayers of Cook County. And as I say, the state taxpayers would be off the hook for some 36 million a year that we are now supplying to Cook County residents through programs like ADAP and breast and cervical cancer screening and treatment."

"I think…"

"I think they would have to in order to establish eligibility for the federal program."

"I have no idea, but I can tell you that we know that about 100 thousand people who do not have insurance and who seem to meet the income eligibility requirements but are not eligible for Medicaid because the new federal program hasn't yet called them eligible. We know that the county serves about 100 thousand people at that income level. We think that there are maybe as many as 250 thousand people in Cook County who could meet those income qualifications. As I say, I think about 100 thousand are being served today. I'm sure that if this waiver were to be approved, you would see a significant increase in the willingness of people to use county health care services."

"No. We… Texas, New Jersey, California, all of them have asked for waivers very similar to this and all have been approved."

"There being no further debate, those in favor of the Lady's motion vote 'yes'; opposed 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mathias, Pihos, Pritchard. Mr. 09700142.doc 133  STATE OF ILLINOIS 97th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 142nd Legislative Day 5/24/2012 Pritchard. Please take the record. On this question, there are 62 voting 'yes' and 55 voting 'no'. And the House does concur with Senate Amendments #s 5 and 6 to House Bill 5007. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Mr. Clerk, committee announcements."

"Thank you, Mr. Clerk. Again, Members of the Judiciary Committee the committee meeting's been moved to Room 114 immediately following Session. Members, I have an announcement regarding scheduling. That ought to quiet the room down for a second, but you won't like it. The current… the current plan which could change, the current plan which could change is for the House to be in Session on Saturday. More silence. And now, leaving perfunctory time for the Clerk… Sorry, Mr. Mathias." 09700142.doc 134  STATE OF ILLINOIS 97th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 142nd Legislative Day 5/24/2012

"Thank you, Sir. Mr. Rose."

"Mr. Clerk, is it 8:30?"

"Sorry, Mr. Rose. Mr. Reboletti."

"The best I could do is the announcement I made for Saturday, Sir, we're not even totally sure about that."

"Thank you. Anything further? And now leaving perfunctory time for the Clerk, Leader Currie moves that the House stand adjourned 'til Friday, May 25 at the hour of 11 a.m. Those in favor say 'yes'; opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Motion passes and the House does stand adjourned 'til Friday, May 25 at the hour of 11 a.m."