Illinois House Floor Debate — April 3, 2014

"The House will be in order. Members will be in their chairs. We shall be led in prayer today by Fred Robinson who is a member of the St. Katherine Drexel Parish Church in Springfield. Members and guests are asked to refrain from starting their laptops, turn off all cell phones, and rise for the invocation and Pledge of Allegiance."

"We'll be led in the Pledge today by Representative Lilly." Lilly – et al: "I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

"Roll Call for Attendance. Leader Currie."

"Thank you, Speaker. Please let the record show that Representatives Drury and Jones are excused today."

"Leader Bost."

"Mr. Clerk, please take the record. There are 115 Members present and the House does have a quorum. The Chair recognizes Mr. Unes."

"Please proceed, Sir."

"Welcome to Springfield. Representative Scherer." 09800114.docx 2  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise on a point of personal privilege."

"Please proceed."

"I have a young man here, his name is Britton Swaine, and he is a junior at Rochester High School and he is job shadowing. And I guess he's kind of job shadowing me today. Let's give him a round of applause."

"You'll have a very busy day, Sir. Representative Pihos."

"Welcome to the House Floor. Members, on page 26 of the Calendar, under the Order of Resolutions, there appears House Joint Resolution 86. Mr. Brown."

"Let… let's move on the Resolution first, Sir. Do you have other comments you wish to make? Those in favor of the Resolution will vote 'yes'; opposed 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Acevedo, Brady, Crespo, Hernandez, Meier, Senger. Please take the record. On this question, there are 115 voting 'yes', 0 voting 'no'. And the Resolution is adopted. And now, the House 09800114.docx 3  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014 will take a moment of silence. Thank you, Mr. Brown. The Chair recognizes Mr. Moffitt."

"Please proceed, Sir."

"The Members of the House will give Mr. Moffitt their attention."

"Thank you, Mr. Moffitt. Members may be seated. Mr. Clerk."

"On page 24 of the Calendar, under the Order of Constitutional Amendments-Second Reading, there appears HJRCA 51. Mr. Clerk, please move this to the Order of Third Reading, and please read it for a third time."

"Please leave that on the Order of Third Reading. The Chair recognizes Mr. Anthony."

"Please proceed, Sir."

"Welcome. Happy to have you with us. On page 25 of the Calendar, under the Order of Constitutional Amendments- Second Reading, there appears House Joint Resolution Constitutional Amendment 52. Mr. Clerk, will you please read this in full for the second time."

"Please place this on the Order of Third Reading, Mr. Clerk. Members, we're going to start to go down some of your priority Bill items. The first item on the list is House Bill 4122, Representative Golar. Representative Golar. Out of the record. House Bill 4205, Representative Moeller. Representative Moeller. Do you wish to move this Bill to Third Reading? Please read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Show her the signals, guys."

"Third Reading. House Bill 5567, Mr. Phelps. Mr. Phelps. Out of the record. House Bill 4660, Mr. Smith. Out… You want to move the Bill, Sir? Please read the Bill."

"Third Reading. House Bill 4781, Mr. Welch. Please read the Bill." 09800114.docx 7  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014

"Third Reading. House Bill 5869, Mr. Yingling. Mr. Yingling. Out of the record. House Bill 5085, Mr. Leitch. Mr. Leitch. Please read the Bill."

"Mr. Leitch wishes to take the Bill out of the record. House Bill 5464, Mr. McAuliffe. Please read the Bill. Excuse me. I called the wrong Bill. Let's back up, Mr. Clerk. That's House Bill 5464, Mr. Rosenthal. Please read the Bill."

"Mr. Rosenthal."

"Those in favor of the Amendment will say 'yes'; opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. And the Amendment is adopted. Mr. Clerk."

"Third Reading. Members, we're going to be taking some Third Reading Roll Calls now. Please listen for your name and let's keep the debate orderly. The Chair recognizes Mr. Davis." Davis, W.: "Thank you, Mr. Speaker. A point."

"Please make your point, Sir." Davis, W.: "Ladies and Gentlemen, I just want to acknowledge a couple of people from my district who are working here in Springfield today. First of all, you may have seen Sydney Holman. She's a legislative intern on the Research and Appropriation Staff. And we're pleased to have her younger brother, Caleb Holman, here, who is Paging for the day. Caleb is a junior at Homewood Flossmoor High School. Both are constituents in my district. Please welcome them and, hopefully, let this… let this young man make a little money today. Thank you."

"Thank you. Welcome aboard. Mr. Evans."

"Point of personal privilege."

"You may proceed."

"I just want to acknowledge a Page that's from my district… really close to my district. It's actually my younger brother, Johnny Davis. He'll be Paging today, so put him to work."

"We can do that. The first Bill on Third Reading we're going to call is House Bill 5592, Mr. Andrade. Please read the Bill." 09800114.docx 9  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014

"Mr. Andrade. Mr. Andrade."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This Bill… this amends the initial… Illinois Municipal Retirement Fund Article of the Illinois Pension Code and the provision authorizing the election of a reversionary annuity. It deletes the requirement that the election be made at the time retirement annuity begins and provides the election is irrevocable. This Bill will help a lot of people and it gives… actually, this pension Bill is actually a good Bill that actually helps the Members. So, I ask for a 'yes' vote or for any questions."

"Those in favor of the Gentleman's Bill will vote 'yes'; opposed 'no'. The voting's open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Franks. Mr. Martwick. Representative Wheeler. Please take the record. On this question, there are 115 voting 'yes', 0 voting 'no'. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 4734, Representative Cloonen. Please read the Bill."

"Representative Cloonen."

"Yes. This Bill just allows for the local military affairs' groups to hold the housing for the veterans at Marseilles and Camp Lincoln and the other facilities. And it takes it from the federal to the state, but there's no financial basis on it. I urge an 'aye' vote." 09800114.docx 10  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014

"Those in favor of the Bill will vote 'yes'; opposed 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Reboletti. Thank you, Sir. On this question, there are 115 voting 'yes', 0 voting 'no'. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 5660, Representative Conroy. Please read the Bill."

"Representative Conroy."

"Thank you, Speaker and Members of the House."

"Just suspend your comments for a moment."

"HB5660 removes the mandate that DCEO conduct a coal marketing and education program for children. This program is paid for out of taxpayer funds through a utility bill charge. DCEO provides a teaching/training curriculum web… a website and coloring essay contest focused on coal… on coal and coal mining. DCEO recently conducted an outside evaluation of this program which found that the program was outdated, contained… contained inaccurate scientific information, and should be withdrawn from use. DCEO is neutral on this Bill. Rather than spending funds to redo this program, I have sponsored this Bill to remove the requirement that DCEO conduct this program. This does not mean that those who have coal as a priority cannot continue to teach it. We have many energy sources in Illinois, not only coal but gas, nuclear, geothermal, solar, wind, and many more. Today's children will need to learn critical thinking… need to use critical thinking to make decisions about our energy resources. They are going to have 09800114.docx 11  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014 to learn to conduct a… conduct a full examination of economic and environmental benefits. The future of our state is not served by a curriculum that only promotes one energy source. I urge a 'yes' vote."

"Lady moves for the passage of the Bill. Chair recognizes Mr. Reis."

"Sponsor yields."

"This Bill came from the Sierra Club. And there was quite a bit of debate in committee and I would say that was provoked a little bit by the proponents of the Bill and that they got off track. The reason for my sponsorship of this Bill is simply to remove an education mandate in terms of teaching coal education. It goes no further and I, in no way, intend to impede anything in… in regards to the coal industry."

"Ladies and Gentlemen, we have five speakers on this Bill, which is on Short Debate. I'm going to remove it from Short Debate, but I will put the two-minute timer on each of the speakers. The next person wishing recognition is Representative Fine for two minutes."

"I have a question for the Bill's Sponsor."

"Sponsor yields."

"There… as Representative Reis had mentioned, there are many other sources of energy in the State of Illinois. Does DCEO fund any other programs that teach about any other energy sources?"

"No, it does not."

"Thank you. I fully support this Bill because I believe it's very important that our students learn about all the energy sources that are offered in the State of Illinois." 09800114.docx 13  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014

"Representative Ives."

"Sponsor yields."

"This takes it away from the coal education piece and again, this just takes the mandate away. It can still be taught in the schools if people… if districts choose to continue to teach it, but it just simply takes the mandate, requiring it be taught, away."

"Yes, it does."

"Related to coal… from this program, yes."

"I think we would… it would be nice to see a comprehensive energy plan, perhaps, and I think that would be something that could also come through DCEO. And these funds could, perhaps, going forward, be used for that. At this time, this Bill simply takes the funds and removes this mandate."

"This simply takes the mandate away." 09800114.docx 14  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014

"But the money is still there to be used for coal, or nuke, or gas, or wind, or solar?"

"Correct."

"Okay. So, they can still use it for coal education, it's just not a mandate anymore?"

"They no longer can mandate the education of coal in schools."

"Correct."

"DCEO wouldn't make that decision. That would be made by the individual school districts, if they chose to continue to teach it."

"Representative Ives, your time has expired."

"Can you bring your remarks to a close?"

"They can… Yes. They can use the resources, the materials that are currently available. Correct."

"Mr. Bost."

"Representative Cassidy."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. A couple of questions of the Sponsor."

"Sponsor yields."

"How is this program funded? What is the source of funding?"

"It's through… through taxpay… there's dollars that go in… tax dollars that go into DCEO and they use those dollars for this program."

"And… what tax, in particular? Are you aware?"

"It is… hold on one second… a utility bill charge."

"So, consumers pay it as part of their utility bills?"

"Correct, yes."

"So, it's part of our rising utility cost?"

"Yes. Rising utility cost. Correct."

"Within the program, is there special training for teachers to… to…"

"It's done through kits. They also have a training program once a year where they bring teachers, too, to teach them about the program. That is optional."

"And how are… how do they… how are the teachers trained on this program?"

"They go to a day-long seminar."

"A three-day retreat?"

"Yes." 09800114.docx 17  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014

"So… so, these funds from my utility bill are… are, in part, used for a three-day retreat?"

"That is correct."

"Okay. And are you aware if the program has been evaluated in any way?"

"They have evaluated this program and they believe that it's… they have said that they think it's outdated, DCEO has."

"And do you know what the cost of that evaluation was?"

"I don't have that information."

"According to DCEO, there was an additional $116 thousand paid to evaluate the program. And these professional evaluators found that the program was outdated. Correct?"

"Correct."

"To the Bill. This is not about being procoal or anticoal. Many of us do recognize that our state is… is a coal state and… and that coal is part of our history and our reality. However, in these times where we are talking about massive cuts to… to programs, where we are talking about cuts to classrooms, where we are… each one of us getting these utility bills with sticker shock after the winter we've been through, I don't believe that spending money on something that isn't comprehensive, talking about all the forms of energy that we could produce here in Illinois, is a wise use of our dollars. And I strongly urge a 'no' vote, or, a 'yes' vote. Sorry."

"Straight now, Representative? You have that all straight? Representative Nekritz."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. To the Bill. We have a lot of educational mandates that we impose in the Illinois General 09800114.docx 18  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014 Assembly. But those, I believe, are all in the education Article and there… there are none others, that I'm aware of, that would be through the Department of Commerce and Economic Opportunity. And I think if we're going to impose educational mandates, they ought to be in the Education Code, not in our Economic Development Code. And the… and I would echo the remarks of the previous speaker that at a time when we are pinching every penny and worried about cutting programs, funding programs that do not treat all areas of economic development and energy in the State of Illinois equally, I think is inappropriate and we need to revisit this, as the Sponsor is asking us to do, to make sure that we are taking… taking account of all forms of commerce and economic opportunity and the impact that energy has on that in the State of Illinois. This is a program that, I know, puts out calendars. And it's… and again, this is not the kind of thing we want to be, as Members of the General Assembly, I think, walking around and saying, look, this is what your tax dollars… your utility dollars are being spent on, our calendars that can be distributed through… through the schools and… and I don't know what value that adds to the education of children. So, I think this a… a Bill whose time has come. And I appreciate the Sponsor's efforts to get it passed. I urge an 'aye' vote."

"Mr. Davidsmeyer."

"Sponsor yields."

"Representative, what I would tell you is that I don't have that information. And again, this is not an attack on coal or an attack on jobs in the coal industry. This is simply removing the mandate from teaching an outdated coal energy education program in our schools."

"It's an energy source. I'm not that familiar with it."

"Correct. Yes."

"A large majority."

"Yes."

"I would agree with you that… but there are many other energy sources. And just as coal is going toward a clean way of providing the energy source, we have other areas that are 09800114.docx 20  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014 also doing that. And I think coming from someone who has four sons, I think it's important that our students are learning all of the possibilities in the energy industry in… in the schools."

"They are… they're not being…"

"They're not being funded by a utility bill… your taxes on your utility bill though."

"Mr. Davidsmeyer, your time has come to a close."

"Will you complete your remarks, Sir? Thank you." Davis, M.: "Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I urge a 'no' vote."

"Thank you. Mr. Harris." Harris, D.: "Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen, to the Bill. Coal is bad, right? Coal spews stuff into the atmosphere. Coal, we don't like it because it's not clean. And we don't want our kids to learn about coal; we want our kids to learn about geothermal and solar and wind. So, we don't want to have a program to tell them about coal. Well, if you're from southern Illinois, let me tell you something. This is an attack on coal. Because if you read the Bill… there are two parts of this Bill. The one part of the Bill probably makes some sense which says, don't have those public relations programs geared to kids. Maybe there's something that says we don't need to make it a mandate in the schools, and that makes 09800114.docx 21  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014 sense. But there's another sentence in this Bill, which you need to look at, that says this: The Department is prohibited from carrying out any program, any program, to increase public awareness and education concerning Illinois coal. They can't even tell people about the benefits of clean coal. They can't talk about coal at all. So, to say that this Bill is not an attack on coal is wrong. And you know what, I'd like… I like clean energy too. I'm a… I'm an alternative fuel guy. I want to see natural gas, I want to see electricity. But folks, whether we like it or not, 45 percent of the electricity in the United States is generated by coal. And Illinois coal gets sold around the world. Yet, our Department of Commerce and Economic Opportunity, if this Bill passes, cannot tell anybody about the benefits of Illinois coal. For that reason alone, it deserves a 'no' vote."

"Representative Pihos."

"Sponsor yields."

"Thank you, Representative. Yes. My intent of this Bill was to remove an edu… a mandate from teaching this program. I think there are very passionate feelings on both sides of this issue. I’m not involved on either side of that. I would 09800114.docx 22  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014 tell you that those environmental folks, perhaps, used it as a platform to make coal sound like it was a bad thing. That is absolutely not the intent of this. And I believe that areas where coal is important should continue to teach this, but I believe we need to remove the mandate."

"That's… that's correct."

"Representative, I think that is a fantastic idea. Although, I think for now, what we'd like to do is remove the mandate and allow all those involved to come up with a program and then bring it forward in a separate Bill."

"Mr. Reboletti."

"Your request has been acknowledged. Mr. Hays."

"Representative Wheeler."

"Sponsor yields."

"In no way is this an attack on coal or a way to lose jobs in the State of Illinois. I very much think that our state… it should be proud of our coal history. This simply takes away the mandate from forcing schools to teach this. If it's important where you live, it can continue to be taught." 09800114.docx 25  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014

"Can you say that again?"

"That is absolutely incorrect. This is not a war on coal. This is simply an education mandate being removed."

"A very, very long time. I know I received it when I was in school, so that would be an indication."

"In no way does this Bill or this… removing the mandate going to increase unemployment in the State of Illinois."

"Not only would it be acceptable, Representative, but I would cosponsor that with you."

"Mr. Meier."

"Representative Williams."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"Sponsor yields."

"Just to reiterate, Representative. Can you, again, let us know, this is not, in any way, precluding any school from teaching coal-related curriculum?"

"Absolutely not. Each school has the right to continue to teach this program, if they so choose."

"And on the note of the comments made by my esteemed colleague and beloved cousin, Representative Wheeler, I like the idea of doing a discussion of a comprehensive energy curriculum. Perhaps, in a form of a Resolution; that might be something we can work on together." 09800114.docx 27  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014

"I completely agree and believe that that's the direction we need to go in and of course coal should be a part of that."

"Great. So, to the Bill. Removing the mandatory expenditure of taxpayer moneys that addresses one industry just doesn’t make sense. We spend hours and hours in committee and otherwise combing through the state budget, looking for places where we can cut. We've… we need to look at our priorities here. I don't know… obviously, this isn’t a huge amount of money in a large scheme of things, but we are dealing with crumbling roads and bridges, we are cutting benefits for retirees, we are eliminating adult dental care, we are doing a lot of things that we don't want to do. And why are we doing those things? Because we are looking for every dime to save taxpayer money. This is a place that is unnecessary. We can still accomplish the goals without expending taxpayer money. I would highly encourage a 'yes' vote. Thank you."

"Mr. Kay."

"Sponsor yields."

"I have not seen coal education in the Common Core."

"It is a mandate to teach coal education, currently, though."

"I… I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say."

"This was done a very long time ago when I would tell you that coal was probably our only source of energy."

"Because, at the time, we were relying on coal. And now, we have many other forms of energy, as well as clean coal, and they should all be… if we're going to teach a program about energy, it should be a comprehensive program that includes all forms of energy."

"Representative, I understand that this seems to have turned into a war between environmentalists and the coal industry. That is not the intent of this Bill in any way. I have never said that coal is dirty, nor is that in the Bill."

"Yes, I have."

"The one at the museum, and that was part of coal education when I was in school."

"Representative, I have not, but again, I don't understand what that has to do with removing an educational mandate."

"Mr. Kay, your time has expired."

"Can you complete your remarks, Sir?"

"Sir, we've pre… pretty much extended debate. There are seven people still wishing to speak on this Bill."

"Representative Feigenholtz."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise on a point of personal privilege in the middle of this debate. I'd like to welcome from the 12th District, from Anshe Emet Day school, one of their classes. Welcome to Springfield. Thank you."

"Representative Will Davis." Davis, W.: "Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"Sponsor yields." Davis, W.: "Now, I don't profess to know a lot about coal. I'm not from southern Illinois, but it's my understanding that coal in Illinois is very high in sulfur. Is that correct?"

"I've been told that. Yes, correct." 09800114.docx 30  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014 Davis, W.: "Okay. So, the reality is that most of the coal that we have here, we actually sent to other states because their facilities are more equipped to burn that coal, right?"

"And to make clean coal, correct." Davis, W.: "And… and to make clean coal. Okay. So, my… my challenge with this is a) you're removing a mandate from the schools, correct?"

"Correct." Davis, W.: "So, it's an unfunded mandate that you're actually taking away from the schools…"

"Yes, I am." Davis, W.: "…in terms of educating young people on coal?"

"Correct." Davis, W.: "Which means that a school district… school district, if they wanted to do it, they could use their own general state aid dollars to provide the education on coal, if they wanted to do it, correct?"

"Correct." Davis, W.: "Thank you very much. To the Bill, Ladies and Gentlemen. I understand what the other… Members on the other side are… particularly are saying, that coal is a very valuable resource here and something that we need to be aware of. But I can remember a couple of years ago, there was a company called Tenaska that wanted to come to Illinois to burn Illinois coal and was willing to invest in the State of Illinois so that they could burn Illinois coal. And it met so much opposition from both sides of the aisle that they said, you know what, we'll go somewhere else. So, for those of you who are talking about Illinois jobs and the need for Illinois 09800114.docx 31  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014 jobs, what happened there? They weren't good enough to come to Illinois and provide Illinois jobs so that they could burn the Illinois coal that everyone thinks is so precious here? Let us not forget that conversation. Let us not forget that. So, there was an opportunity to burn Illinois coal and we missed that opportunity. We missed the boat on that one, and they no longer wanted to come to Illinois. Maybe they'll come back, I don't know. But we missed the opportunity on jobs. Apparently, this is an unfunded mandate. Many of you on that side of the aisle and some on this side of the aisle don't like unfunded mandates and are always willing to vote against them. So, guess what? She's trying to remove an unfunded mandate…"

"Mr. Davis." Davis, W.: "…and you want an unfunded mandate in the schools. How ironic is that? How ironic?"

"Mr. Davis, would you bring your remarks to a close, Sir?" Davis, W.: "Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker."

"Thank you. Mr. Brauer."

"Sponsor yields."

"Can you ask… I can't hear that. Didn't hear the question."

"Representative, again, what I would tell you is this is to remove an education unfunded mandate. This has nothing to do with being an expert on the coal industry or attacking the coal industry in any way."

"What I would tell you is that I'm not an expert on coal. I… I think some folks…"

"…downstate are correct. This… again, this is an education mandate. I am not here to debate who knows more about the production of coal."

"This money…"

"Mr. Brauer, your time has expired, Sir. Can you bring your remarks to a close?"

"Mr. Mautino."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. To the Bill. And I understand and respect the discussion about educational mandates, but the Bill does more than that. We're not talking simply about an educational mandate. It removes all references of providing public awareness and programs about Illinois coal from the duties of the Coal Development Board. Now, there are two Members of this Body who are members of that board. There are actually three in this… and what they do is not just create school curriculum, they also disseminate information on Illinois coal. Now, a decade ago, we were producing about 35 million tons that we were shipping out. We have had tremendous growth. New mines have started. New jobs have started. New technologies looking for clean coal. We are now exporting more than 55 million tons. This area of Illinois and this section of the Midwest has as much 09800114.docx 34  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014 BTU in coals as the Teardrops of Allah in Saudi Arabia. So, those things are important to know, but it's not just the school side. This actually takes away one of our leading, growing, economic development marketable products for the State of Illinois. And I would urge a 'no' vote."

"Mr. Reis, your light is on. You spoke in debate. For what reason do you rise, Sir?"

"By who, Sir?"

"That was such a good answer, I'm going to let you go ahead."

"Mr. Cavaletto."

"Sponsor yields."

"Representative…"

"…this Bill has nothing to do with the sulfur rate in coal here or when it's burned clean. This simply has to do with an education mandate. If you choose to continue teaching this in your school, you can."

"This Bill has absolutely nothing to do with what you're speaking of right now. This is simply an education mandate being removed and allowing those who choose to continue to teach it to continue."

"And they should continue to teach it and they can with this Bill."

"No one's disagreeing with you here."

"I think we have great, rich history in the State of Illinois. I believe coal is part of that. I believe energy is moving forward and if we're going to teach energy, and it's going to be funded by utility tax dollars, we should have a comprehensive energy education in our schools."

"I agree. It should be one of them."

"Yes."

"Mr. Cavaletto…"

"…your time has expired. Can you bring your remarks to a close, Sir?" 09800114.docx 37  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014

"Mr. Sullivan."

"Mr. Hays."

"Sponsor yields."

"I'm sorry. You're going to have to repeat the question."

"This… Are you saying this is a grant given to school districts?"

"This… this money could be reappropriated and used in another way to educate our children. I think that we've heard today, and I fully support and agree, that I would like to see a comprehensive energy program and perhaps DCEO could then, in turn, reallocate those funds."

"The money comes from utility taxes. That's where they use the money. They use a portion of that money to pay for this program. The resources that are available currently through the program will remain for those who choose to use it. The mandate for teaching this in schools will be removed."

"Mr. Hays, your time has expired, Sir."

"Oh, yeah."

"The last speaker is Mr. Sandack."

"So then, Mr. Reboletti is the last speaker. Please proceed, Sir."

"Representative Conroy to close."

"Thank you, Speaker. Again, this Bill, in no way is, being disrespectful to the history of coal in the State of Illinois. This simply removes a mandate to teach coal education in our schools. Where it's important, if they choose to continue teaching it, they can. And I would urge an 'aye' vote."

"The Lady's moved for the passage of the Bill. I remind Members that Mr. Reboletti has asked for a verification. Accordingly, staff will retire to the rear of the chamber, Members will be in their seats and vote their own switches. Those in favor of the Bill will vote 'yes'; opposed 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Franks, Smith, Thapedi, Wheeler. Wheeler. Please take the record. On this question, there are 54 voting 'yes', 61 voting 'no'. And 09800114.docx 40  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014 the Sponsor asks for Postponed Consideration. Chair recognizes Mr. Cabello."

"Please proceed, Sir."

"Welcome. Mr. Acevedo."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise a point of personal privilege."

"Proceed, please."

"I had an opportunity this morning to meet a brave young man, a little boy, who's down here with the Bleeding Disorder Alliance of Illinois. Sometimes we go through the day thinking we have problems. This brave little boy suffers from the disease of hemophilia, and he's here today. So, please, let's give him a round of applause. He's right there. Christian Contreras. Christian."

"Happy you're with us today, Christian. Moving back to the Calendar, House Bill 5853, Representative Bellock. Please read the Bill."

"Representative Bellock."

"Those in favor of the Bill will vote 'yes'; opposed 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Chapa LaVia. Please take the record. There are 115 voting 'yes', 0 voting 'no'. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 3638, Representative Fine. Please read the Bill. Out of the record, Mr. Clerk. House Bill 4090, Representative Jakobsson. Please read the Bill."

"Representative Jakobsson."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This Bill is codifying an already existing law with regard to prohibitions regarding deceptive use of false academic credentials. With the Amendment that is there, it codifies saying that it would be a Class A misdemeanor to use false academic credentials to obtain any employment, admission to an institution of higher learning, admission to an advanced degree program at an institution of higher 09800114.docx 42  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014 learning, or a promotion or higher compensation in any employment. I ask for an 'aye' vote."

"Lady moves for the passage of the Bill. Chair recognizes Mr. Sandack."

"Sponsor yields."

"It is, but this codifies by making sure that these particular things are addressed in our already existing law."

"It… No, it doesn't specifically say any employment."

"In certain instances. This is what I want to make sure that it codifies these instances."

"I… I like that, Representative. Representative Jakobsson to close."

"Thank you. Please vote 'aye'."

"Those in favor of the Bill will vote 'yes'; opposed 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Bellock, Sullivan, 09800114.docx 43  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014 Tracy, Unes. Please take the record. On this question, there are 91 voting 'yes', 23 voting 'no'. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Williams is recognized."

"Point of personal privilege, please."

"Proceed."

"Thank you. As you all know, today is the… the Illinois Environmental Counsel Lobby Day. But in addition to that, the… we have representatives in the gallery today from the National Caucus of Environmental Legislators, which is the only environmental organization founded by State Legislators as a resource for State Legislators. I have worked with them in the past, attended some great conferences, and would love a more Illi… they would love more Illinois Legislators to get involved. For some more information, please contact me or anyone else in the Green Caucus. Welcome."

"Thank you, Representative. Welcome to Springfield. Next Bill is House Bill 4286, Mr. Cabello. Please read the Bill."

"Mr. Cabello."

"There being no debate, those in favor of the Bill will vote 'yes'; opposed 'no'. The voting is open. Have all 09800114.docx 44  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014 voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? McAsey. Please take the record. On this question, there are 113 voting 'yes', 1 voting 'no', 1 voting 'present'. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 5485, Representative Mayfield. Bill's on Third Reading, Representative. Don't have to worry about notes. Please read the Bill."

"Representative Mayfield."

"Thank you so much. I want to thank you for the opportunity to present House Bill 5485. The Bill, as amended, would provide the firefighters a seat at the table during discussion of manning, which is a serious life safety issue for firefighters, as well as a safety issue for the general public. Firemen who are putting their lives on the line every day should have a say in the matter. The passage of this Bill will allow, in the case of an impasse over collective bargaining, for both parties to be heard by a neutral arbitration panel and not bring those cases to the General Assembly. It is very important to remember that the right to bargain over mandatory subject of bargaining and receive an arbitration decision, if they're unable to reach an agreement, does not mean that the arbitrator will uphold the union's position. In fact, there is not a single example of an arbitrator issuing an award for the union to increase staffing levels, which is what some of the misconception about this Bill does. This is a very good Bill. It simply provides 09800114.docx 45  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014 a mechanism for fires and it stays true to the initial intent of the Act. So, I would encourage an 'aye' vote."

"Representative Ives."

"Representative Willis."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"Sponsor yields."

"Hi, Miss Mayfield."

"Hello."

"I know that, as most people know, I am a strong advocate for firefighters. And I do believe that this is a good Bill."

"Thank you."

"I have a quick questions for you."

"Yes."

"I know, historically, there have been times when arbitrators have been called in to assist on rulings on 09800114.docx 47  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014 minimum manage… manning. Have… those rulings, have they always been to increase manning?"

"No, they have not, and that is not the intent."

"Right. And so… To the Bill. My understanding of this is that this is a good way to have an unbiased person involved at the table, someone that can look at both sides of the coin, to look at the finances for the department… the villages, and to look at the safety of the firefighters. This Bill is simply to do that; to make sure that our firefighters who leave our homes every… their homes every day and go to protect our communities are given that safety net. They're given people that will advocate on their behalf, not always looking at what the dollars and cents are. We've recently had firefighters killed in the line of duty in Boston just this last week. We don't want that to happen here in Illinois just because we've had to look at what the bottom line is on our money. I strongly urge an 'aye' vote for this Bill. Thank you."

"Representative Tracy."

"Mr. Sosnowski."

"Mr. Sandack."

"Sponsor yields."

"No, it does not."

"No. And this does not apply to the City of Chicago now."

"The current ruling. The current Act does not apply to the City of Chicago now. It was excluded from the initial Act, is my understanding." 09800114.docx 50  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014

"Because they were not included in the initial Act that was enacted in the General Assembly '84… 84th General Assembly."

"I was not here at that time."

"I am only looking to amend the Bill to maintain the initial intent of the original Sponsor and Representative who presented the initial Act, and it was not included at that time. I am not looking to change the intent of the Act."

"If you would like to include the City of Chicago, please feel free to enact a Bill yourself."

"You would have to ask the initial Sponsor of the Bill."

"Well, the Sponsor's indicated it doesn't preempt Home Rule, but we'll get a ruling from the parliamentarian for you and we'll continue the debate while…" 09800114.docx 51  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014

"…we do that."

"We'll get you a ruling, Sir."

"Mr. Sandack, in response to your inquiry, the Bill makes no mention of Home Rule, whatsoever. Therefore, the Bill requires 60 votes. Mr. Leitch."

"Lady yields."

"Actually, I believe the City of Chicago would support it, considering that they have been doing it voluntarily since 1986, before the IPL Act…"

"…before this Act was even…"

"But they are currently…"

"…doing it. They are voluntarily doing it, and they've been doing it since…"

"…1986…"

"…because they've recognized that this is something that should be done, along with all of the courts within the State of Illinois, have recognized that manning is a condition of collective bargaining."

"No, it is not and that is untrue…"

"…for you to state that, Representative."

"Mr. De… Chair recognizes Mr. DeLuca."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"Sponsor yields." 09800114.docx 53  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014

"We seem to be put in a situation here with this Bill where we have to choose whether we support firefighters or we don't and it's certainly an uncomfortable situation to be in. I was a mayor; I negotiated with the firefighters, with an outcome that they were very pleased with. And we know what they do every day. We honor them. We know they put their life on the line every day. So, the merits of this, I don't want to speak to, but I do want to know how we're going to pay for it. So, Representative Mayfield, do you understand the impact, the financial impact, that this legislation will have on our local governments?"

"Yes. It will save you money."

"Can you explain how that will happen?"

"Because the municipalities are currently wasting millions of taxpayers' dollars every year taking the subject to court. And 100 percent of the time, the court has kicked it back to arbitration. Those are dollars that could be better spent in other areas of the city when it's… they're not going to win. They have not won and they're not going to win. One hundred percent of the time, it has been kicked back to the arbitrator, and we're just trying to take out that third step."

"Okay. So, the municipalities are not handling the negotiating with fire departments in a financially responsible way?"

"That's not the intent of this… I would not have an answer to that question. I cannot speak for all of the municipalities. I can only speak to the intent of…"

"No. That's what you just said." 09800114.docx 54  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014

"…this Bill."

"That was the answer you gave."

"And this Bill will save money because you will not be going to court and wasting millions of taxpayer dollars, which is what you are currently doing now."

"Right. That was my question. You made the statement, municipalities are wasting millions of dollars. So, are you saying that our local governments are not handling negotiations in a financially responsible way?"

"Maybe you do not understand that both parties have to agree to the staffing levels, not the arbitrator, both parties. And that is the current process right now. And that does not speak to your que… and… I'm not sure what you're asking."

"No, I do agree. No, I do understand. I think that's part of the problem that I have with this legislation is I do understand and that's why I have concerns with this legislation. Who handles the recommended staffing levels, per piece of equipment?"

"That is agreed upon by both parties. This Bill does not increase manning. Those words are nowhere in this Bill and it is not the intent of this Bill, even though I know you would like to make that the argument and the focus. It is not the intent of this Bill."

"Well, that wasn't my question. Who sets the standards of how many firemen will be on a particular apparatus?"

"That is a… that is a negotiation between both parties, municipality and the firefighters." 09800114.docx 55  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014

"Are you saying that it's negotiated, that the local governments negotiate how many firefighters go on a particular piece of equipment?"

"Yes. It is something that they bargain for. If they can't reach an agreement, then it goes to arbitration."

"Can you say that again, please?"

"And if you take arbitration out, there's already a clause in there that prohibits firefighters from striking. So, we need to… they're not provided any remedy under your analysis."

"So, are you saying that there's no national standard? You're saying that individual municipalities set the manning per piece of equipment?"

"No. No."

"No. Okay. Then could you please clarify who handles the number of firefighters that will be on a particular piece of equipment?"

"It is negotiated between both parties, the municipalities and the firefighters."

"Okay. So, there is not a national standard?"

"No, there is not."

"There's not a national recommended standard?"

"No, there is not and it is not the intent of this… Wait a minute, there might be. I don't… I'm not sure what's happening on the national level. I'm just dealing at what this piece of legislation does. It does not set any type of minimum manning requirements. That is nowhere in this Bill." 09800114.docx 56  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014

"How do you recommend that a non-home rule municipality, if this becomes law, handles the additional cost that they may have to incur?"

"Can you repeat the question?"

"Yes. How will a non-Home Rule municipality handle the additional cost that would be… that they would incur if this Bill becomes law and you take away their ability to negotiate directly on the manning?"

"Maybe you're not understanding, Representative, but they already negotiate this. The problem is, is that whether Home Rule or non-Home Rule, they keep… if there is a disagreement, it goes to court. You're wasting millions of taxpayer dollars when it is just going to get kicked back to an arbitrator. Stop wasting taxpayer dollars."

"Now, Representative Mayfield, I'm trying to be respectful. You keep saying I don't understand."

"You don't understand."

"I understand. That's why I'm speaking on this. I understand. Maybe you don't understand. If you take away the ability of the locally elected body to negotiate the manning and it goes into the hands of an arbitrator, and the arbitrator rules in favor of the firefighters, then at that point, the municipality will be forced to cover that expense. Do you agree?"

"Representative, I am not taking away the ability of the municipalities. That is not… they can still negotiate. We are not setting any minimums here. We are not mandating any minimums for anything in this Bill. We're not taking away any rights from the municipalities. All we are doing is trying to 09800114.docx 57  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014 save taxpayers millions of dollars and stop going to court when 100 percent of the time, when these things go to court, when the subject of manning goes to court, it is kicked back 100 percent of the time back to an arbitrator who helps both parties to collectively agree."

"You're making it very difficult for me to get some of these answers on the record 'cause you're not answering any of my questions."

"I'm answering your questions."

"A non-Home Rule municipality, how will they generate the revenue to cover these cost? Can you give me an example of how you would recommend that they do that?"

"They already have to bargain. This will save them money."

"Do you understand this Bill?"

"I most certainly do."

"Let me ask you again. How do you suggest a non-Home Rule municipality cover the cost that will be incurred upon them with this legislation?"

"This legislation will not incur any additional cost that they are not already spending. What it will do is it will save them money."

"Well, Ladies and Gentlemen, to the Bill. Like I said when I began, we're being put in a situation here. We have to choose between whether we support firefighters or not. That's what it seems like this legislation is doing. That should not be the case. We should look at this as how this will affect our local governments, especially our non-Home Rules. How will they be able to absorb the financial impact that they're 09800114.docx 58  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014 going to incur? They will inevitably incur this. They have no means to generate the revenue, to put in this situation now by their pensions. So, it… it's not a matter of whether we support the firefighters or not, or whether we want to keep our firefighters safe, the local governments are doing just fine in handling the manning. This takes it out of the control of the locals and puts it in the hand of an outside, unelected arbitrator. So, I ask you to consider that when you're voting. Thank you."

"Mr. Harris." Harris, D.: "Thank you, Mr. Speaker. A question of the Sponsor."

"Sponsor yields." Harris, D.: "Representative, there's a… been comments about understanding the Bill. So, help me understand the Bill if you will, a little bit. It's my information, or my understanding, that this Bill, on the part of the proponents, that this Bill codifies what they believe is… is either the rule or the procedure based on a court decision. Is that accurate?"

"The court case that you're referring to is Oak Lawn and, yes, the court did rule in their favor." Harris, D.: "Right, and I am referring to the Oak Lawn case. And there is a disagreement, I believe, that as to whether or not the Oak Lawn case really does apply statewide. Is that… would you agree with me there?"

"I'm not really understanding what you're trying to ask in that question, Representative." Harris, D.: "Well, I understand the Oak Lawn case and that… that required that it be… that they bargain collectively on the 09800114.docx 59  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014 manning levels in the Oak Lawn case. However, to try to apply that statewide, there have been other cases, specifically, the one in Schaumburg, that the… the court said, no, it is not a statewide standard, that it has to be decided on a case by case basis. Is that accurate?"

"Okay. What the court said is that manning is not mandatory and we're trying to codify that it is." Harris, D.: "Right. And… Okay. So, there is a difference here of… a genuine difference of opinion as to whether or not this court case does apply statewide. And this Bill would, indeed, codify that and make it apply statewide. However, there is genuine disagreement as to whether or not that court case… not only disagreement but I think there are… there are cases in court and decisions from the Illinois Labor Relations Board that says that court case does not apply statewide. So, we're trying to do something by statute, by law, that… that isn't agreed to, isn't… we're taking a court case that does not apply statewide and saying, well, we think it should. I'm not sure that's the direction that we should move in. I understand the difference of opinion, but I don't think there's clarity here as to the fact that this… this requirement should be collectively bargained statewide. And I'd ask you… I'd ask the Body to look at that closely because there is a genuine disagreement here over how that court case was subsequently interpreted. Thank you very much."

"Well, Representative, the issue of manning being a mandatory subject of collective bargaining has been upheld in multiple legal venues, including the Illinois Labor Relations Board, the Illinois Circuit Court, and the Illinois Appellate 09800114.docx 60  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014 Court. The Attorney General's Office has also weighed in and voiced an opinion that they believe that manning… that… I'm sorry… that manning should be a mandatory subject of collective bargaining. So, I do understand your argument, however, this would codify it and it would remove some of that confusion." Harris, D.: "And each… and I understand. I appreciate that, but each time they've gone back, the… both the court and the Illinois Labor Relations Board has said you have to apply a three-part test to each individual case by case basis. So, I don't think it's fair to apply it statewide when the court has really said you've got to do it case by case. Thank you for your answers."

"Representative Mayfield to close."

"Ladies and Gentlemen, this is a very good Bill and it really does support our firefighters. The three-part test that the previous Representative spoke of is expensive, it requires litigation. We're talking millions of taxpayer dollars that are being wasted because after they go through those processes, 100 percent of the time it goes back, those courts rule that it is a mandatory subject of collective bargaining. All we are trying to do is take out the court piece, codify that minimum… that manning is a mandatory subject of collective bargaining. We're not taking away anything from the municipalities; they're already negotiating on this. We are looking to save millions of dollars, you need to understand that. Millions of dollars that are uselessly spent in negotiations when 100 percent of the time, it goes back to the arbitrator, and it is deemed a mandatory subject 09800114.docx 61  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014 of minimum manning. Let's cut out the minimum… let's cut out the middle man. Do what's right. Let's support our firefighters, our heroes, these individuals who are dying to protect us. Let's do what's right. And I urge an 'aye' vote."

"Those in favor of the Bill will vote 'yes'; opposed 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Please record yourselves, Members. DeLuca, Moeller, Reboletti. Mr. Clerk, please take the record. On this question, there are 63 voting 'yes', 44 voting 'no', and 6 voting 'present'. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 4123, Mr. Moylan. Please read the Bill. Mr. Clerk, out of the record. House Bill 4382, Representative Nekritz. Please read the Bill."

"Before we proceed to you, Representative, I neglected… I had made a promise to Mr. Martwick for a point of personal privilege. Please proceed, Sir."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Waiting very patiently up in the gallery and watching a very spirited debate here on the House Floor and getting a great lesson in civics is a school district that is from Representative McAuliffe and mine, and Senator Mulroe's district, they're up in the gallery. Please welcome to the Capitol, the students from Garvey Elementary."

"Welcome aboard. And my apologies, Mr. Martwick. Representative Nekritz on your Bill."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. House Bill 4382 expands the type of projects that can apply for funding under the State 09800114.docx 62  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014 Revolving Funding… Fund Loan program. Right now, it's for clean water programs. This would expand it to include storm water pro… storm water projects, as well. And I would ask for your support."

"Lady moves for the passage of the Bill. The Chair recognizes… nobody speaking in opposition. Those in favor of the Bill vote 'yes'; opposed 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Davis, DeLuca, Walsh. Mr. Walsh. Please take the record. On this question, there are 115 voting 'yes', 0 voting 'no'. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. The Chair recognizes Representative Tabares."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. May I have the record reflect that I am a 'yes' vote for House Bill 5485, please?"

Speaker Lang: "The record will reflect your intentions. Representative Tracy."

"Happy birthday, Representative. I'm sure the cake is forthcoming. Mr. Sandack."

"Proceed, Sir."

"Welcome aboard. Happy you're here with us. House Bill 5572, Leader Durkin. Please read the Bill."

"We'll be patient. Leaders have much to do. Mr. Durkin, on your Bill, Sir."

"Gentleman moves for the passage of the Bill. Those in favor vote 'yes'; opposed 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mussman. Please take the record. On this question, there are 115 voting 'yes', 0 voting 'no'. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 4598, Mr. McAuliffe. Mr. McAuliffe. Out of the record. House Bill 4084, Mr. Turner. Out of the record. On page 16 of the Calendar, appears House Bill 5869, Mr. Yingling. Please read the Bill."

"Mr. Yingling." 09800114.docx 64  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014

"This Amendment is just a gut and replace Amendment. It's very simple. It just changes the release of… of non- native species into Illinois aquatic wildlife to a Class B Felony."

"Those in favor of the Amendment say 'yes'; opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. And the Amendment is adopted. Mr. Clerk."

"Third Reading. Members, we're returning to Second Reading on Bills that are ready to go. The first one is House Bill 3768, Representative Dan Burke. Mr. Burke. Out of the record. House Bill 5569, Representative Cassidy. Read the Bill, please."

"Please hold that Bill on the Order of Second Reading. House Bill 4762, Mr. Costello. Please read the Bill."

"Third Reading. House Bill 5416, Mr. Brady. Please read the Bill."

"Third Reading. House Bill 4870, Mr. Cabello. Mr. Cabello. Out of the record. House Bill 4866, Mr. Cavaletto. Mr. Cavaletto, 4866. Out of the record. House Bill 5926, Representative Feigenholtz. Please read the Bill."

"Out of the record, Mr. Clerk. House Bill 1322, Mr. Hoffman. Mr. Hoffman. Out of the record. House Bill 4056, Mr. Jackson. Please read the Bill."

"Mr. Jackson on the Amendment."

"House Bill 4056 is a gut and replacement and is an initiative of the Department of Agriculture. It amends the Pseudo Advisory Committee. The state has been disease-free since 2002 and currently, this advisory committee is not needed. House Bill 4056 changes the committee by… by seeing upon detection on pseudorabies within the state, the committee will meet and the members will only serve during the duration of the outbreak. I ask for an 'aye' vote and answer any question that you may have."

"Those in favor of the Amendment say 'yes'; opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. And the Amendment is adopted. Mr. Clerk."

"Third Reading. House Bill 4225, Representative Jakobsson. Out of the record. House Bill 5894, Leader Durkin. Out of the record. House Bill 4896, Representative Hammond. Do you wish to move your Bill? Out of the record. House Bill 4914, Representative Hatcher. Please read the Bill."

"Representative Hatcher."

"Those in favor of the Amendment say 'yes'; opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. And the Amendment is adopted. Mr. Clerk."

"Third Reading. House Bill 3924, Mr. Mautino. Mr. Mautino. Out of the record. House Bill 5701, Representative Mayfield. Out of the record. House Bill 3912, Representative Nekritz. Please read the Bill."

"Representative Nekritz on the Amendment." 09800114.docx 67  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014

"Sorry. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. House… the Amendment becomes the Bill. This is an initiative of the Metropolitan Water Reclamation District to, again, provide some more opportunity for storm water projects."

"Those in favor of the Amendment say 'yes'; opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. And the Amendment is adopted. Mr. Clerk."

"Third Reading. House Bill 2513, Mr. Phelps. Please read the Bill."

"Third Reading. House Bill 5564, Representative Sente. Please read the Bill."

"Representative Sente."

"Thank you. I request the House Floor Amendment to be adopted to House Bill 5564. This Amendment deals with the income tax refunds and how the Department of Revenue processes those requests. It does three things. It says the department shall allow the taxpayers request. Number two, it removes the statement that the election shall be irrevocable and gives the taxpayer the option to apply the election. And three, it allows the taxpayer to request the election on the original or the amended return." 09800114.docx 68  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014

"Those in favor of the Amendment say 'yes'; opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. And the Amendment is adopted. Mr. Clerk."

"Third Reading. House Bill 3668, Mr. Turner. Mr. Turner. Mr. Turner. Out of the record. House Bill 5824, Mr. Pritchard. Please read the Bill."

"Mr. Pritchard."

"Those in favor of the Amendment say 'yes'; opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. And the Amendment is adopted. Mr. Clerk."

"Mr. Pritchard."

"Those in favor of the Amendment say 'yes'; opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. And the Amendment is adopted. Mr. Clerk." 09800114.docx 69  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014

"Third Reading. House Bill 4687, Mr. Sullivan. Out of the record. House Bill 5735, Representative Williams. Representative Williams. Please read the Bill."

"Third Reading. House Bill 3910, Representative Yingling. Out of the record. Mr. Clerk, what is the status of House Bill 4914?"

"Please place that order… on the Order of Second Reading at the request of the Sponsor. House Bill 4225, Representative Jakobsson. Please read the Bill."

"Third Reading. House Bill 3924, Mr. Mautino. Please read the Bill."

"Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, what is the status of House Bill 5922?"

"Third Reading. Members, we're going to proceed to do some Third Readings now on some of your priority Bills. The first one is House Bill 4731, Mr. Andrade. Mr. Andrade. Out of the record. House Bill 4769, Mr. Beiser. Please read the Bill. Mr. Beiser, I understand there's an Amendment. Do you need to move the Bill back to Second? Please put the Bill on the Order of Second Reading and please read the Bill."

"Mr. Beiser."

"Yes. This Floor Amendment makes a technical change to a term. And, basically, what the Bill does is just, as far as the rating that the… for a surety bond, it says that it goes from an A to an A- for those that are represented by A.M. Best, Moody's, or Standard & Poor's."

"Gentleman moves for the adoption of the Amendment. Those in favor say 'yes'; opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. And the Amendment is adopted. Mr. Clerk."

"Third Reading. House Bill 5322, Representative Kelly Burke. Please read the Bill."

"Representative Burke." 09800114.docx 71  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014 Burke, K.: "Thank you, Mr. Speaker. House Bill 5322 is an initiative of condominium associations and adds, basically, two requirement… requirements. It allows an association to adopt rules allowing members to vote by an electronic or acceptable technological means. And if the condo association chooses to do that, they would do it by the… some generally accepted technology. And it also allows for the use of technology in other board and owner communications. It's being… what we believe is it'll be increased member participation by making it easier for members to vote and to conduct association business. I know of no opponents. And I'd appreciate an 'aye' vote."

"Lady moves for the passage of the Bill. The Chair recognizes Mr. Moffitt."

"Sponsor yields."

"Those in favor of the Bill will vote 'yes'; opposed 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Crespo and Franks. Please take the record. On this question, there are 114 voting 'yes', 0 voting 'no'. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 4561, Mr. D'Amico. Please read the Bill."

"Mr. D'Amico."

"Chair recognizes Mr. Reboletti on the Bill."

"Sponsor yields."

"Those in favor of the Bill will vote 'yes'; opposed 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Franks, Zalewski. Please take the record. On this question, there are 114 voting 'yes', 0 voting 'no'. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 3937, Representative Chapa LaVia. Please read the Bill."

"Representative Chapa LaVia."

"Thank you. Thank you, Speaker. You're looking mighty fine today. The Bill is brought to me by the State Charter School Commission. It's their Bill, believe it or not, pro- charter. And what they'd… they had come to recommendations back to me stating that they… they feel that the State of Illinois cannot, at this time, accommodate a virtual charter school, or any schools, and they'd like to impose a moratorium until December 31, of 2017. I'll take any questions. Ask for its passage. Thank you."

"Mr. Sandack."

"Sponsor will yield."

"Right." 09800114.docx 74  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014

"Well, do you remember the House Resolution we did asking the charter to look at virtual charters to see if they can exist in our state? They can't exist. We don't have statute to allow them to exist. So, we gave them the responsibility to give us information on how they felt we should… we should deal with this issue and this is their recommendation from that task force."

"Well, we don't know. What we think we'll do is start to look at what kind of statute we can put in place for, eventually, allowing them to exist if… if they'd like to exist."

"Right. 'Cause what we were finding throughout the State of Illinois… well, throughout the United States, is companies like K12 have enormous amount of lawsuits against them. And what we don't want to do is put them in that predicament in our state, as far as mismanagement of money and misappropriation and issues like that. So, we thought we'd take our time, work with the commission, the commissioners, to maybe, possibly in ink, and anybody else who wants to come to the table, on some perimeters in which a virtual charter school could possibly exist in the future. 09800114.docx 75  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014 But right now, our state's not set up to accommodate virtual charter schools."

"Yes. I want to say in Philadelphia there's something like 62 counts or something. I don't remember. I mean, if you want me to get you all the documentation, you could probably go online…"

"…right now and look."

"Correct."

"I'm sorry, it could've been Pennsylvania. And Florida, we have issues in Florida. Off the top of my head, there is more than a couple states but, you know, since this doesn't deal with that, I want to try to keep focused on what the Bill does. So, it puts a moratorium. "

"No reason. We just chose 2017."

"Representative Pihos."

"Representative Monique Davis." Davis, M.: "Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Will the… Speaker, will the Sponsor yield?"

"Sponsor yields." Davis, M.: "Representative Chapa LaVia, why is Chicago excluded?"

"Because… that's a good question, Representative. They already have an existing charter, supposedly, virtual charter school but they do have one day that they have to have C time. So, that's even questionable on whether it's a virtual charter." Davis, M.: "You know, it would really…"

"So, they're already running one, it's been in existence. And the moratorium grandfathered anybody in prior 09800114.docx 77  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014 to my legislation on the virtual charter. So, we can't… we can't drag them into the future, if you will." Davis, M.: "I think it's a great piece of legislation. I only wish Chicago was included, and I do urge an 'aye' vote."

"Thank you, Ma'am."

"Mr. Burke."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Lady yield?"

"Lady yields."

"Representative Chapa LaVia, did you, a moment ago, suggest that this was a pro-charter piece of legislation?"

"Well, it's… it's, in the sense of the Charter School Commission, is the one that we asked to give us the information. That's what I meant. I didn't mean every charter in the State of Illinois is supporting it."

"Oh, you didn't?"

"No, I didn't mean that way."

"I misunderstood."

"So, I apologize if you took it that way."

"So, this is a recommendation from the Illinois State Charter Commission. Is that correct?"

"Correct."

"Well, I think you may understand that there are several charter school organizations that, indeed, oppose this piece of legislation. And I would think… I would recommend to the Members, if they do have any charter schools in their districts that they reach out to those individuals and determine as to whether or not they would support your legislation today. And I, unfortunately, am going to have to oppose this Bill." 09800114.docx 78  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014

"That's fine. I understand."

"Mr. Davidsmeyer."

"Sponsor yields."

"I think I said that twice."

"But yes… I… Yes, Representative."

"Once again, like your… one of your Members over there discussed, in the original paperwork that came over, they had suggested a two-year moratorium. I put a three-year moratorium because we have a lot of legislation…"

"…to build, to produce something that's just a virtual charter school in the State of Illinois."

"Yeah."

"It… it takes a while… as you noticed, it takes a while to like sit down, negotiate with people, and come up with a good piece of legislation that we don’t have to, two years later, have to change. And I'd rather do that to the state of… the people in the State of Illinois 'cause it cost a lot of money to put, you know, legislation in statute."

"So, I want to take our time and make sure we do it right. Thank you."

"Mr. Leitch."

"Lady yields."

"I don't know, Sir. This doesn't deal with anybody or anyone that's had anything prior to the moratorium we placed on it last time for the Charter School Commission to… to review. So, all the ones that are prior to this can exist the way they're existing, Representative. That has nothing to do with them. It has everything to do with going forward if it's a virtual charter school."

"This has nothing to do with blended. This has nothing to do with some that have C time. This is just… if a child can go to a visual… a virtual charter school that is just totally online. And right now, we don't have the statutes in order to support that."

"Mr. Arroyo."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"Lady yields."

"Linda, do you have any charter schools in your district?"

"Well, no. We were going to do one, but we… we have a magnet that we produced in second. But I am the head of education in the State of Illinois." 09800114.docx 80  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014

"Okay, 'cause I have four or five charter schools in my district…"

"Okay."

"…and they're against this Bill."

"But it doesn't affect them."

"Could you… could you…"

"It doesn't affect them."

"Could you explain to me what you're trying to do with this moratorium?"

"It's… this doesn't affect them, once again. Anybody who already has whatever they're doing in existence, this doesn't touch them, Representative Arroyo. It's talking about virtual charters. None of the virtual… none of the charter schools in the State of Illinois are virtual charters. None of them. Chicago has a component that they call virtual but it's blended, they have C time. So, none of the charters… none of the charters are this."

"Well, they… they're calling…"

"And if they have something that they think is, this has nothing to do with them 'cause they already exist. So, it grandfathers in everybody who already is there."

"Linda…"

"So, for the charters to be opposed to this, I don’t know what to tell you."

"Could… could I ask you a question? How many charter Bills do you have this year?"

"A handful, maybe about five."

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"I'm not against charter schools. Accountability transparency is very important in this state."

"I think so. I'm… I'm talking to Jack, but…"

"That's fine."

"Linda, I… I'm getting a lot of calls that this year, you're the person against charter schools. And I just wanted to put it on the record that, are you or aren't you against charter schools?"

"I'm not against charter schools. There's quite a few reputable charter schools in the State of Illinois. Noble is one of them. Noble does an outstanding job of what they do. I can't say too much about the other ones 'cause I haven't… I visited a few, but not a lot. But Noble is one that I have a relationship with that I visited and I've walked through and I've talked to the CEO and… and they seem to be doing a very good job. So, it… this Bill doesn't do anything to charter schools. What it does, it puts a moratorium on virtual charter schools that don't exist in our state, presently."

"Ladies and Gentlemen, I have charter schools in my district and I stand in opposition to this Bill because in my district, we want to let people have an opportunity to send their kids where they want to go to school. So, I support charter schools. I support a choice where to take your children to. And it seems like this year, a lot of people are having a lot of Bills against charter schools and it's not fair to people like me that have five charter schools in my district. I urge you to vote 'no' on this Bill."

"Mr. Demmer." 09800114.docx 82  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014

"Sponsor yields."

"It was… there's a moratorium that was sent… there was a grandfather-in that was done with any schools that have virtual components prior…"

"No. Virtual charter school does not have a presence. It… it has to be fully virtual school. Okay? We don't have one in the State of Illinois. Now, the prior speaker was talking about his schools. This has nothing to do with Chicago. Chicago is excluded out of this Bill altogether."

"Right. But this has nothing…"

"…to do with anybody."

"The component, it doesn't exist today."

"A virtual charter…"

"…the virtual charter doesn't exist in the State of Illinois."

"Period."

"But that's blended."

"That's blended."

"That's blended. That…"

"That is blended. So… I mean… See, the issue is that we don't have statute, we don't have precedent, we don't have anything having to do with virtual charters, okay? So, the wording is there purposefully. It's a little general because we have to write legislation. And I'd be more than happy if you have something coming in your area that you want to produce that's virtual, I'd love to sit down and talk to you and see what kind of statute we have to put into place. But right now, we don’t have the capabilities for anybody that has a virtual school to come into our state and to exist. So, if it's a charter school already existing that wants to do virtual, then that's different."

"Representative Chapa LaVia to close."

"Once again, it's a recommendation by the Charter School Commission that what we do is we put a moratorium so we can work together on finding components and legislation to put into place for appropriate age virtual charter school to exist in our state. Hopefully, we can work together and look at that legislation in the coming years and what that puts together. I'd appreciate an 'aye' vote. Thank you."

"Those in favor of the Bill will vote 'yes'; opposed 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Harms. Mr. Mitchell. Please take the record. On this question, there are 87 voting 'yes', 27 voting 'no'. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 4948, Mr. Davidsmeyer. Please read the Bill."

"Mr. Davidsmeyer."

"Those in favor of the Bill will vote 'yes'; opposed 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Crespo. Davis. Please take the record. On this question, there are 115 voting 'yes', 0 voting 'no'. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 3827, Representative Monique Davis. Please read the Bill."

"Representative Davis." Davis, M.: "Thank you, Mr. Chairman… Mr. Speaker. The… House Bill 3827 with House Committee Amendment #1 requires that the urban weatherization initiative is to be coordinated with federal weatherization programs. This includes administering the program to qualify for any federal grants or matching fund programs offered to the Department of Commerce and Economic Opportunity. Currently, the law is silent on administering the program to take advantage of any federal programs. The Bill also increases the maximum per-unit expenditure for grant recipients to 10 thousand, from 6,500. It increases the grant recipient eligible per year… per fiscal year to 2 million, up from 500 thousand. The Bill requires at least two voting members of the weatherization initiative board have experience in weather… residential weatherization or energy efficiency. This Amendment also requires at least one voting member to have experience in workforce development. Current law does not require the board members to have any specific educational work requirement. The board is responsible for approving or denying the grants that are awarded by DCEO. The 09800114.docx 86  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014 board is comprised of nine members, five are voting members. They are appointed by the Governor. Four are appointed by each… two from each House. And we know that this is legislation that is proposed to increase entrepreneurship in the lowest economic communities based on the census. And it also requires that the people doing the work have some training in efficiency heating and cooling units. I'll answer any questions."

"Lady moves for the passage of the Bill. The Chair recognizes Mr. Franks."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"Sponsor yields."

"Representative, I was reading the analysis and I didn't understand the per-unit expenditure, and there was a… indicating you wanted to increase the per-unit expenditure from 6500 to 10,000?" Davis, M.: "That's correct, because they found they really couldn't do some of the work in some of the much older homes. Perhaps, if they needed heating units or air conditioning units, that 6,500 was not enough to do that work."

"Okay. So, when you say per-unit, is that per property?" Davis, M.: "Per house or per six-flat unit."

"Okay. That's what I wanted to know. And then, the next line talks about increasing the amount a grant recipient is eligible from… up from 500 thousand to 2 million. How do you define a grant recipient?" Davis, M.: "Well, they… they should've worded it kind of differently. For example, the Chicago Urban League would be a grand recipient who issued the grants to organizations." 09800114.docx 87  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014

"I see." Davis, M.: "So, that would be the one that gets the 2 million."

"Okay, but no unit, no building could get more than…" Davis, M.: "Absolutely."

"…10 thousand?" Davis, M.: "That is correct."

"That's what I was trying to figure out. And how is this funded?" Davis, M.: "How is what?"

"How is this funded?" Davis, M.: "It's funded from a bond issue that occurred about five years ago. And since that time, they have only spent $27 million and they have repaired or weatherized 76 homes. So, currently, the money is sitting there for this program. I think it's 425 million sitting there."

"So, how many homes have been weatherized for 26?" Davis, M.: "Only 76. That's why we're changing the board."

"But for 76 homes, it's $27 million?" Davis, M.: "Twenty-one."

"Twenty-one million? What does that break down per house?" Davis, M.: "I don't know. I haven't figured it out."

"Seems like a lot of money per house." Davis, M.: "You're the mathematicians."

"Yeah. Boy, that would be… I don't think those numbers add up because it would be $300 thousand per house, and I'm doing it in my head." Davis, M.: "Well, that would be a lot more than… than that is allowed, so it probably… probably incorrect… probably incorrect numbers." 09800114.docx 88  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014

"That's…" Davis, M.: "I don't… I don't really know how many houses were done, but we know it was not many because of the amount of money left in that budget."

"Okay. I just want to make sure that we're spending our money right because…" Davis, M.: "Absolutely."

"How much of it is spent on administrative costs? How much of this is actually going to the weatherization?" Davis, M.: "No more than 15 percent can be spent on administrative costs. The limit is 15 percent."

"Why have we only spent 27 million?" Davis, M.: "I think it… my thought is because the board was not experienced. There was no one on the board who had expertise in workforce development, or education, or grant writing. People were appointed to the board who really had no knowledge of weatherization or how to effectively weatherize a home. So, this Bill will make sure that there are people who are skilled in the necessary training or education that will allow them to make decisions to repair those homes, or weatherize them."

"I think there's good things in this Bill. Raising it to 10 thousand makes perfect sense, and changing the board makes perfect sense. My only real concern though is how much they've spent per house and whether we're getting a good return." Davis, M.: "Well, I do believe that some of the much older homes would perhaps require a greater expense…"

"Oh, sure." 09800114.docx 89  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014 Davis, M.: "…in order to keep these people in their homes. It will… these dollars will go for training also of potential employees. It will help to get gainful employment for a community that's suffering with 49 percent unemployment. And some of these individuals who'll will get the training don't have a, what shall I say, education like a college degree. So, they'll be able to use expertise and training that they get in this particular program."

"Well, if… I know you can't get it now, but if you can get us the numbers on how many homes had been done and what the cost is per each, I'd appreciate it." Davis, M.: "I'll do that for you, Representative Franks, and thank you for your questions."

"Thank you."

"Representative Davis to close." Davis, M.: "I just ask for a favorable vote. I think we'll put a lot of people to work, we'll also repair a lot of homes. And the State of Illinois is always, I would say, looking forward to assisting those in the State of Illinois who need help with weatherizing their homes, and employment and training for people. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'd like an 'aye' vote."

"Those in favor of the Bill will vote 'yes'; opposed 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Please record yourselves, Members. Cross, Dunkin, Feigenholtz, Kosel. Mr. Clerk, please take the record. On this question, there are 87 voting 'yes', 28 voting 'no'. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 4211, Mr. Franks. Please read the Bill." 09800114.docx 90  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014

"Mr. Franks."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This Bill was brought to me by a constituent who indicated that she was being required to pay her rent electronically and she didn't want to do that. Many people are uncomfortable in doing so. So, this Bill is pretty simple. Under current law, there's no restrictions as to whether a landlord may request a specific form of payment from a tenant for residential property and this legislation would simply prohibit a landlord from requiring a tenant to use an electronic form of payment as the only means of accepting rental payments. It provides that the rental agreements would be unenforceable if the waive a tenants rights under this proposal. I, myself, had my bank account breached last spring. I won't use automatic payments and I understand why some people won't do that, as well. I'd be happy to answer any questions."

"Mr. Sandack."

"Of course he does."

"No."

"I don't."

"Because right now, some landlords are saying that they'll only accept electronic, and I…"

"Somebody's been at a house for… or an apartment for a couple of years and all of a sudden the management company, the new one, comes in and says, listen, we're only going to take payment this way. So, he says, no, I really want to give you a check because I don't want anyone getting my electronic number. I think they could… they could do it if they choose to and if they want to, they can. I'm saying it just can't be the only means of them receiving payment."

"No, that's different. What I'm saying is you could, as a landlord, can accept any form of payment that they want, they just can't limit if to one. Because otherwise, you're taking away an individual's right on how they wish to pay. Last time I checked, American currency was still good."

"Yeah."

"But it's also not as secure as someone who may wish to write a check or pay in cash, if that's what they choose to do."

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"Well, if you put it that way, yes."

"No. It was after… Mr. Reboletti, I want to thank you for not being persnickety today. Not that I'm totally sure what that means but I'm sure you'll be loquacious and explain later. But what happen was is the individual was renting and then subsequently, a new management company came in and said, you know what, we're only going to take payment electronically. And we have people who are seniors who, frankly, don't have a computer in their home. And if this is the only way that they're going to make payments is through from their computer through their bank account, it's very difficult for them. So we have people who want to pay by check. We're saying, let them pay how they want and if they… and if they want to re… if they want to take an electronic payment, they certainly can, but don't make it the only way."

"I don't think it's in a rental agreement how payments are usually done. Oftentimes, what it says is payments will be at X place. It doesn't necessarily say how. This was a rule change by a management company that… and this… and, Mr. Reboletti, we're not creating new law here. We'd only be the 09800114.docx 93  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014 fourth state doing this. And this has become a problem for our seniors, it really has, because many seniors aren't as computer savvy as others and they don't feel comfortable doing it and they don't trust… I mean, heck, if you'd like to remember what happened to Target just a few months ago, I'm surprised that there hasn't been more breeches. And I think people ought to have a choice if they wish to have their… their money being paid electronically or not."

"I think we have an obligation to help protect our consumers. And some people just don't want to be mandated to have to turn over their electronic information. They don't believe it's safe and in many cases, they're right. And I don't know how many more times we have to have terrible breeches like what happened at Target and heck, what hap… I can tell you, I was terrified last March when it happened to me and they were getting into my bank accounts. I will not do it anymore, and a lot of people won't do that. And I think we ought to be able to protect our consumers."

"Which… which they can do and this would allow that. But many people, Mr. Reboletti, don’t even have credit cards and… and they don’t have bank accounts, some of them. Some of them have to pay in cash because we have a different economy now than it was just five years ago. So, to… to have a landlord come in and… and the other issue is most folks aren't that sophisticated when they read a contract. Now, you're an attorney, you'll read the contract top to bottom. I would venture to guess that most people don't, the vast majority don't. And people can slip in something, in the contract, saying the only way we're taking money is on electronic payment. And 98 percent of the people aren't going to catch that."

"No."

"She's one of the most sophisticated people I know. And she has the means, and she has the computer in her home, and she has a bank account, and she's got credit cards, but she's also been hacked on her credit cards and on her… on her e- mail. And she does not feel secure in making those payments, and I don't think that should be the only option. And this can be an option if people can avail themselves, but I just 09800114.docx 95  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014 don't think it's fair to have it as the only option for people who don't feel secure doing it. 'Cause I tell you, I wouldn't do it."

"Representative Nekritz."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"Sponsor yields."

"Representative, what happens in a case where a lease has already been signed that has this provision in it and we come along and statutorily undo the lease?"

"I think it would only be prospective. It'd be for those going forward."

"Does your… does your language say that?"

"I'll check. I pre… I presume all of our Bills are prospective. I don't think we have many that are retrospective."

"Well, it would seem to me that's the only way it's constitutional because, otherwise, it's an… it's a…"

"Right."

"…ex post facto."

"Yeah. It's certainly my intention for it to be prospective."

"Okay. Well, I… I join the… my colleagues on the other side of the aisle in having some concerns about mandating… we come in and statutorily do something that otherwise should be addressed in a contract and in a lease that someone voluntarily signs up for. And I get that… you know, if I was looking to get a condemnation portion of my lease, I might not understand that and I might not be sophisticated enough 09800114.docx 96  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014 to do that, but I think I would be sophisticated enough to read the lease and say… and see whether I can pay electronically or whether I can pay the other means. That seems a pretty simple… that's not a legal concept, that's a simple straightforward…"

"Oh, I agree but I'm talking the real world. Most people don't read it. They say, okay, your rent is, you know, 800 bucks, please sign here and give me your security deposit. And most people do that. But this…"

"And so, we're going to legislate because people won't understand what they're… what they're…"

"No."

"…or they're… or they're…"

"This… this doesn't prohibit the payment by electronic means. I want…"

"I understand."

"Okay. It's just saying it can't be the only one."

"It… but it does prohibit… it does prohibit the landlord from… from engaging in something that they've been en… that they've been doing."

"That's correct. Correct. But I mean… in the real world, most people don't read that stuff. They… whether they have the ability to or not, when they see it, it's legal gibberish to most. I mean, you're an attorney, Mr. Reboletti's an attorney, I'm an attorney, we read that stuff. I get it, but I think that we're in the vast minority on that. And I think we have an obligation to help protect those people who may not have thought this through. Because they're not going to look to determine… to determine that certain clue." 09800114.docx 97  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014

"Well, then I… then I think if we're… if we're going to do that, we ought to statutorily mandate a condemnation clause in a lease 'cause that's the most confusing part of a lease, not the… not how you're going to pay it. So, I… you know, I… I under… I appreciate the problems that your constituent faces with having these kinds of things, you know, her concern about being hacked, but I have some concerns about the fact that we're just stepping in as the Legislature and telling people what they can and cannot do in a contract. Thank you."

"Mr. Davidsmeyer."

"Sponsor yields."

"I don't know what the state does."

"No. I can't figure it out. I know they don't pay their bills on time."

"Mr. Davidsmeyer, I want to be clear…"

"But this isn't about business. This is about somebody's residence. And…"

"Or the means. I mean, some of…"

"I mean, many homeowners or renters aren't going to have the means. And I want to be very clear. All this Bill does is to maintain the renter's right to choose the method of payment in which they are most comfortable. We're not precluding any method of payment. We're just saying you can't only accept this one way because many people, frankly, just don't have the means to do it."

"Thank you."

"Mr. Dunkin."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"Sponsor yields."

"Jack, I'm trying to get some clar… clarity here. Those… there have been some excellent points raised, I believe. How do you explain this to, sort of, the layperson, let's say, in McHenry County who is a renter?"

"I tried to explain it to my, you know, great-aunt, who doesn't have a computer; doesn't know how to use a computer and doesn't want to learn how to use a computer; doesn't pay her bills electronically. She still writes her checks and puts the stamp on it. This will say you can still pay how you 09800114.docx 99  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014 want. But what I'm saying is you can't have a landlord say the only way we're going to accept payment is electronically. This will keep… they can certainly say that's one of the means but they can't preclude the others because I think people have real and justifiable security concerns when it comes to their electronic data. Right now in my wallet, for instance now, I'm carrying, because I was breeched, I have these things that I put my credit cards in now so RFID can't get… they… they're blockers. This is… I tell you, the hackers out there know what they're doing a lot better than the little old ladies know how to protect. And you know, I think this is very important to protect our citizens who need that protection."

"Sure. So, the… what was the genesis of this Bill? What… what led this? Was there a major outcry in your district or…"

"No. Some constituents complained and they were elderly and didn't feel more… they didn't feel comfortable having to use electronic means to pay because, like all of us, they can read the newspaper and learn about all the breeches that occur. And they're on a fixed income. They're scared they're going to… they're going to lose their life savings."

"So, is there a cost associated with this…"

"None."

"…would you anticipate?"

"None."

"I'm just curious, why in Judiciary Committee, that this was a 10 to 6 vote instead of a… a leave."

"I wasn't there, so I'm not sure. I had another committee at that time I was chairing." 09800114.docx 100  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014

"And that was the only reason that… that was the reason of why it…"

"No. It might have failed if I was there, Ken."

"Ah, I see. All right. I'm just trying to figure it out. All right. So, that sounds clear…"

"I real… I honestly didn't know there was any opposition to it."

"Yeah, I'm just trying to figure out… I would think, as a landlord, one would want any form of payment as long as they pay."

"I would think so too. So…"

"So, this Bill does nothing else, correct?"

"That's it."

"Thank you."

"Thank you."

"Mr. Reboletti, you already spoke in debate. How can we help you?"

"By which Legislator, Sir?"

"I don't… I don't actually recall that, but proceed… proceed, proceed, Sir."

"She would never use your name in debate, Sir. Please proceed."

"I don't remember. Do you have a Bill number or… or when it was?"

"Okay. But I'm not sure what that has to do with this Bill. This Bill is about a lessees dealing in a residential issue. This has nothing to do with business."

"Representative Kifowit."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"Sponsor yields."

"Quick question. In your legislation, one can pick up a telephone and do a wire transfer or actually transfer funds between institutions. Is that considered electric… electronic means in your Bill and; therefore, a person, if they're required to do electronic means, they… they can't even do one of those bank transfers?"

"I can read you the Bill. A lessor of residential real estate may not require a lessee to use an electronic system as the only method for the payment of rent. A lessor may offer a discount in exchange for the lessee to use an electronic 09800114.docx 102  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014 system to pay rent but may not assess any fee or other charge if a lessee chooses not to use an electronic system."

"So, do you consider wire transfer electronic or not?"

"Sure. And usually, your… your banking institution will charge you for a wire transfer."

"Well, I think your argument was that of availability to seniors, and if the senior is available to a telephone and they choose not to give their information, then they're… they're acting upon a slight charge to use their telephone to electronically transfer their payment."

"Sorry, I couldn't hear you."

"I said… I said your argument that seniors can't do this but if they have access to a telephone and they… they wanted to do that instead of electronic means, then they have that option."

"I just… I just don't think they feel comfortable doing it. I just… all I'm saying is if they want to they can, but this shouldn't be the only way they have to pay. I just… I just don't think it's right to force people who are concerned about the security of their financial information to have to make it available electronically. And I… I tell you, I think many of us probably feel the same way. So, I don't why we would allow someone to mandate that this is the only way someone can pay when they don't want to."

"And then, do… do you believe that landlords are… are, in short, businesses? So, now, the state is telling individual business owners how to run their business by this legislation?" 09800114.docx 103  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014

"I'm not telling them how they're doing their business. I'm saying that they can't tell little old ladies that they have to open, you know, an electronic account. And also, you're assuming that these people have bank accounts. Do you know how many people in this country are underbanked, who can't get bank accounts? You know how many people in this country who don't have credit cards? A lot of people have to go to the currency exchanges and bring cash and then turn that into the form of payment that they're making their rent payments on. So, not all of us, you know, live in a… in a suburban lifestyle that have banking and credit cards and access to credit. We… a lot of people don't. So, to require people to do this would be dispossessing folks needlessly. And I think we ought to protect our… our most vulnerable citizens and those with the faintest voices."

"To the Bill. I think, again, this is infringing upon small businesses and business owners on how they run their business. I think small… I think landlords are… are important to our community and I think there are landlords that work with individuals that are unbanked. And there are landlords that choose to run their business more efficiently and definitely more accurately with regards to electronic. And I do believe that this infringes upon their rights to operate the way that they wish. Thank you, Mr. Speaker."

"Mr. Cross."

Speaker Lang: "Record will reflect your intentions. Representative Hurley. Lady is not at her seat. Mr. Franks to close."

"I appreciate the debate. I really don't see the issue here. We're still allowing people to pay however they want. I just am very concerned that people could be dispossessed… No, I'm very concerned. People could be dispossessed, needlessly, that they… that an additional requirement, solely for the benefit of a landlord, could really harm other folks. This is… think about people in your const… in your communities who don't have access to banks, who don't have credit, what that could do to them. I think we should be able to maintain the status quo. And I ask for an 'aye' vote."

"Those in favor of the Bill will vote 'yes'; opposed 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Please vote your switches, Members. Dunkin, Evans, Lilly, Riley, Sims, Soto. Mr. Clerk, please take the record. On this question, there are 46 voting 'yes', 65 voting 'no', 1 voting 'present'. And this Bill, having received the… Excuse me. And the Bill fails. Mr. Riley in the Chair."

Speaker Riley: "Thank you. Next, we have House Bill 5689, Representative Gabel. Representative Gabel. Mr. Clerk."

"Representative Gabel."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This Bill is an agreed upon Bill with the manufacturers of e-cigarettes. It would require child-proof tops on refill containers of e-cigarettes. The refill liquid is a highly concentrate of nicotine, and 09800114.docx 105  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014 nicotine poisoning has no antidote at this time. And 10 milligrams is lethal for a toddler, and the bottle has over 150 milligrams. So, as e-cigarettes are a safer alternative to smoking, let's make sure that no child should be put in danger because of an e-cigarette. So, again, it's an agreed upon Bill with the manufacturers. And I ask for an 'aye' vote."

Speaker Riley: "The Chair recog… recognizes Representative Osmond."

"She indicates she will."

"No, it does not."

"No."

"Yes, it is. And many of the manufacturers told me that they already use child-proof caps. But there some on the market, such as this one, that does not have a child-proof cap."

"Thank you."

"Chair recognizes Representative Ives."

"She indicates she will."

"Correct."

"Yes."

"Yes. That is not the intent of this Bill and that is not what will happen. The products will still be available until the rulemaking is made."

"Correct."

"Thank you."

"Representative Gabel to close." 09800114.docx 107  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014

"Thank you very much. I appreciate an 'aye' vote to protect children from this… from not being able to consume these liquids. Thank you."

"The question is, 'Shall House Bill 5689 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye'; all those opposed vote 'nay'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Members, record yourselves. Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, with 105 'yea', 10 'nay', 0 'present', House Bill 5689, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Phelps, for what reason do you rise?"

"I have a point of personal privilege, Mr. Speaker."

"Make your point."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I just want to take the time to thank everybody that attended and helped last night for the Illinois Legislative Sportsman's Caucus. It was our best one yet. We want to thank Jim Sacia for showing up. So, thanks to everybody."

"It was a great event. Thank you. Representative Cassidy, for what reason do you rise?"

"A point of personal privilege."

"Your point."

"Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, I'm… I'm pleased to introduce today some students from Loyola University Chicago who are here today in the gallery. They're here for the Environmental Lobby Day, and they're back here in the back. Please say hello to our Loyola students." 09800114.docx 108  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014

"Thank you for coming. Welcome to all of you and enjoy your day in Springfield. Next, we have House Bill 5856, Representative Moffitt. Mr. Clerk."

"Representative Moffitt."

"There being no debate, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 5856 pass?' All in favor vote 'aye'; all opposed vote 'nay'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, with 115 'yea', 0 'nay', 0 'present', House Bill 5856, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 5307, Representative Greg Harris. Mr. Clerk."

"Representative Greg Harris." Harris, G.: "Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. This legislation arose when it came to our attention that residents of CILAs were not given the same protection under State Law for their personal funds and how they're accounted for and banked and segregated, that residents in other institutions, such as nursing homes and ICFDDs, are afforded. So, this simply extends the same protections to those persons who are residents of CILAs as we have in place for, you know, other institutions that are regulated by the state. I would appreciate an 'aye' vote."

"There being no debate, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 5307 pass?' All in favor vote 'aye'; all opposed vote 'nay'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, with 115 'yea', 0 'nay', 0 voting 'present', House Bill 5307, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 4035, Representative Hernandez. Mr. Clerk."

"Representative Hernandez."

"Thank you, Speaker. So, House Bill 4035 amends the Health Statistic Act. This Bill would just give an opportunity for the Department of Public Health to collect data information linking to the long-term effects of childhood cancer and the original… in its original diagnosis. I ask for your 'aye' vote." 09800114.docx 110  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014

"There being no debate, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 4035 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye'; all those opposed vote 'nay'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, with 115 voting 'yea', 0 voting 'nay', and 0 voting 'present', House Bill 4035, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Next, we have House Bill 3707. House Bill 3707, Representative Osmond. Mr. Clerk."

"Representative Osmond."

"There being no further debate, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 3707 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye'; all those opposed vote 'nay'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Williams, Moylan. Mr. Clerk, take the record. This question, with 90 voting 'yea', 24 voting 'nay', 0 voting 'present', House Bill 3707, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Next, we have House Bill 4535. House Bill 4535, Representative Lang. Mr. Clerk." 09800114.docx 111  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014

"Leader Lang."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen. Under the law today, if someone from a foreign country wishes to take the exam to become a… an architect or an engineer in the State of Illinois, they have to take an English proficiency test. However, many of these folks get graduate degrees right here in America. And presumably, you wouldn't be able to get a graduate degree in America if you couldn't speak English well enough to do it. All this Bill does is exempt the English test requirement for those that get their graduate degrees in America. I would ask your support."

"There being no debate, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 4535 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye'; all those opposed vote 'nay'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mayfield, Kay. Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, with 111 voting 'yea', 4 voting 'nay', 0 voting 'present', House Bill 4535, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 4380. House Bill 4380, Representative Manley. Mr. Clerk."

"Representative Manley."

"Thank you, Speaker, Members of the House. House Bill 4380 is a Bill that cleans up our state's Divorce Code. The Divorce Code, currently, refers to children born out of wedlock and I believe this is a designation of inferiority 09800114.docx 112  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014 relative to children born in a marriage. This Bill would change all mentions of child born out of wedlock to the term, non-marital child, but have no other affect. It will have no impact on inheritance rights; no impact on visitation rights. No child should have to suffer a perceived lower status because of the choices of their parents. This is a simple piece of legislation to make the language in our legal Code reflected of present-day circumstances. I'll take any questions."

"There being no debate, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 4380 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye'; all those opposed vote 'nay'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Leitch, Reis, Cavaletto. Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, with 104 voting 'yea', 8 voting 'nay', 2 voting 'present', House Bill 4380, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Next, we have House Bill 5143, Representative Poe. Mr. Clerk."

"Representative Poe."

"There being no debate, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 5143 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye'; all those opposed vote 'nay'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, with 110 voting 'yea', 5 voting 'nay', 0 voting 'present', House Bill 5143, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Next, we have House Bill 4516. House Bill 4516, Representative McAsey. Mr. Clerk."

"Representative McAsey."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. House Bill 4516 is essentially a technical change to clean up a concern that was raised after legislation passed last spring. We passed a parity Bill with predatory criminal sexual assault of a child to make sure that male and female victims were able to be treated under the law. There was a concern raised about innocent conduct being criminalized. So, this is a technical change to make sure that that's not the case. It also addresses charging 17-year-olds with the crime. This is an initiative of the Cook County's State's Attorneys Office. I know of no opposition and ask for your support."

"There being no debate, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 4516 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye'; all those opposed vote 'nay'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Tracy. Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, with 115 voting 'yea', 0 voting 'nay', 0 voting 'present', House Bill 09800114.docx 114  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014 4516, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Next, we have House Bill 5891. 5891, Representative Mussman. Mr. Clerk."

"Representative Mussman."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. So, this Bill is actually just cleanup material for the Internet Dating, Child Care and Senior Care, and Home Safety Act. We were actually too specific in defining the point size of the type. It does not take into account the various mobile devices people would be examining this on. So, we're simply clarifying it as clear and conspicuous. There's no opposition and I'm happy to answer any questions."

"There being no further debate… there being no debate, House… the question is, 'Shall House Bill 5891 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye'; all those opposed vote 'nay'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, with 115 voting 'yea', 0 voting 'nay', 0 voting 'present', House Bill 5891, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Next, we have House Bill 4483. House Bill 4483, Representative Reboletti. Mr. Clerk."

"Representative Reboletti."

"There being no debate, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 4483 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye'; all those opposed vote 'nay'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Lang, Walsh, Greg Harris. Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, with 93 voting 'yea', 21 voting 'nay', 0 voting 'present', House Bill 4483, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Next, we have House Bill 4784. House Bill 4784, Representative Smith. Mr. Clerk."

"Representative Smith."

"House Bill 4784 amends the Condominium Property Tax Act, expressing… allow condo boards to manage to electronic delivery and notices of communication to their… to their owners. I ask for a 'yes' vote."

"There being no debate, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 4781… 4784 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye'; all those opposed vote 'nay'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Scherer, Cassidy. Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, with 115 voting 'yea', 0 voting 'nay', 0 voting 'present', House Bill 4784, having received the 09800114.docx 116  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014 Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 4782. House Bill 4782, Representative Welch. Mr. Clerk."

"Representative Welch."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. House Bill 4… Oh, one second. I have the wrong Bill. Sorry about that. House Bill 4782 amends the Forcible Entry and Detainer Article and provides for circumstances under which a condominium board may lease a unit after the board is awarded a judgment for possession in an eviction proceeding. This is an initiative of the Chicago Bar Association. And I ask for an 'aye' vote."

"The Chair recognizes Representative Reboletti."

"Indicates he will."

"Nothing nefarious, Representative. She just had so many Bills on her list that she needed some help."

"All good legislation."

"Thank you."

"Representative Welch to close." 09800114.docx 117  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014

"I ask for your 'aye' vote."

"The question is, 'Shall House Bill 4782 pass?' All those in favor vote 'yea'; all those opposed vote 'nay'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, with 115 voting 'yea', 0 voting 'nay', 0 voting 'present', House Bill 4782, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Next, we have House Bill 5610. House Bill 5610, Representative Reis. Mr. Clerk."

"Representative Reis."

"The Chair recognizes Representative Jack Franks."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. A parliamentary inquiry. Has HCA 1 been adopted?"

"Mr. Clerk."

"Okay. Thank you. So, HCA 1 adds an inflatable device for open water navigation as the definition. Could… Okay. Now, is an inflatable device a dingy?"

"So… So, you would need?"

"Okay."

"Could…"

"Please define dingy."

"No, I'm serious."

"Stop it."

"Now, when you say small boat, is there a definition?"

"No, I'm serious. I've seen these. You can buy them, like on Sharper Image and you can, like, sail them around. I'm just wondering, would I need to get a sticker. I mean, is there a size limitation? Is it four feet? Is it six feet? Is it 12 feet?"

"But I'm… was wondering if this is that… I'm just wondering if it's specific enough, quite frankly."

"'Cause I'm just wond…"

"And what do they mean by inflatable device? Could it be…"

"I'm sorry. I'm trying to do this very serious… I'm not kidding. Because I've seen some boats that are partially inflatable and others aren't. Like, does it have to be a certain percentage? Like if you're, you know, if you want to have something like… like you'd see chasing whales. That's, you know, partially inflatable, a zodiac. So, would that fall within this definition?"

"Okay. So, it's… it's watercraft not propelled by a sail or a canvas or machinery of any sort?"

"What happens if it's an inflatable canoe? I'm not kidding. I've seen those things. I'm just trying for legislative intent."

"Okay. So, if you, like, were floating down… what people happen to do is they float down rivers and they have their… their beer next to them and they float down. So, you're saying if you're in a inner tube, you don't need to have a sticker, correct?"

"Okay. So, under what circumstances would you need to have the sticker?"

"How about a floating mattress?"

"Okay. There's things…"

"Okay. So, is it… you have to look at the motor then?"

"Okay. What happens with things you put in the pool that are really thick, those big heavy polystyrene things that…" 09800114.docx 121  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014

"I was wondering that, because…"

"How about those chairs that you can sit in that you can hold beverages that you can float?"

"Okay. But I just want to make sure that that's what this legislation says. I'm just wondering… that's why I was looking at definition and didn't know if the size of the dingy mattered."

"No, it wasn't rhetorical."

"I'm just saying, the definition might not be exactly what you want, so I'll listen to the rest of the debate."

"The Chair recognizes Representative Cavaletto."

"He indicates he will."

"The Chair recognizes Representative Nekritz."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"He indicates he will."

"Representative, I support your legislation. I just… I was wondering, at some point when… how many… how many of these kinds of inner tubes could be latched together before it becomes a fleet that, I think, might not qualify under this?"

"So, as long as… as long as inflatable and nonmotorized, we could latch together 10 or 12 inner tubes and… and still be fine."

"All right. Thank you."

"I'm… I’m happy to join you on the lazy river, Representative."

"Representative Reis to close on his first Bill."

"The question is, 'Shall House Bill 5610 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye'; all those opposed vote 'nay'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, with 115 'yea', 0 'nay', 0 'present', House Bill 5610, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Martwick, for what reason do you seek recognition?"

"A point of personal privilege, Mr. Speaker."

"Make your point."

"Mr. Speaker, behind me in the gallery, standing behind me, is the second half of Garvey Elementary School. It's a school that is in Representative McAuliffe's and my district. I would ask all the Members to join me in welcoming them to their Capitol."

"Welcome to your State Capitol. Have a great day. Representative Mayfield, for what reason do you rise?"

"Thank you, Speaker. Please let the record reflect that I intended to vote 'yes' on House Bill 3827."

"Thank you. The record will certainly reflect that. Have House Bill 4486. House Bill 4486, Representative Willis. Mr. Clerk."

"Representative Willis."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This Bill is an initiative from my district. I was visiting a Ray Graham group home and they had four young men that had moved into this home, and they were waiting for a fifth young man to join them, but he was 09800114.docx 124  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014 unable to because he was a type 1 diabetic. He required insulin injections. And under the guidelines of Public Health, he was not allowed to get his injections done to him by the CILA coordinator. So, this actually just adds allowing injections, Epipens, being done by a trained staff. So, that will require additional training for the CILA home monitors. And so, I do urge an 'aye' vote for this and am willing to take any questions. I do have all the support I need on this, I believe."

"There being no debate, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 4486 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye'; all those opposed vote 'nay'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, with 114 voting 'yea', 0 voting 'nay', 0 voting 'present', House Bill 4486, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 4593. House Bill 4593, Representative Zalewski. Mr. Clerk."

"Representative Zalewski."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. House Bill 4593 allows for the Department of Financial and Professional Regulation to issue what are called volunteer licenses to health care professionals employed in practice. What it allows is, basically, these professions to come back in and serve patients without having to be… go through the full licensure procedure. This is a health care… prohealth care Bill that'll 09800114.docx 125  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014 offer more health care to individuals in our state. And I'd ask for an 'aye' vote."

"There being no debate, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 4593 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye'; all those opposed vote 'nay'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, with 115 voting 'yea', 0 voting 'nay', 0 voting 'present', House Bill 4593, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Returning to the Order of Second Reading, we have House Bill 3768, Representative Burke. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"Representative Burke on Floor Amendment #1."

Speaker Riley: "Representative Burke moves do adopt Floor Amendment #1. All those in favor state by saying 'aye'; all those opposed 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. And Amendment #1 to House Bill 3768 is passed. Mr. Clerk."

"Representative Burke on Floor Amendment #2." 09800114.docx 126  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014 Burke, D.: "Thank you so much. Floor Amendment #2 would retain the language of the underlying Bill, as introduced, adds the term, again, talking about the companion animal. Covers any companion animal abuse carried out in the presence of a minor. Again, I'd ask for the Body's favorable consideration."

Speaker Riley: "Representative Burke moves to adopt Floor Amendment #2 on House Bill 3768. All those in favor vote 'aye'; all those opposed vote 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. And Floor Amendment #2 on House Bill 3768 is adopted. Mr. Clerk."

"Third Reading. House Bill 5707, Representative Cassidy. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Third Reading. House Bill 6005. House Bill 6005, Representative Chapa LaVia. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Third Reading. House Bill 390. House Bill 390, Representative William Davis. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Representative Davis on Floor Amendment #1." 09800114.docx 127  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014 Davis, W.: "Thank you. Thank you very much. House Amendment #1, as I'm searching here, Mr. Speaker, I apologize. I wasn't as prepared for this. Mr. Speaker, can you just come back to me and give me a moment?"

"Out of the record." Davis, W.: "Thank you."

"House Bill 4329, Representative Franks. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Representative Franks on Floor Amendment #1."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This is an agreed upon Amendment by the… between the DNR and myself. This was after committee, they'd asked for some changes reducing the fees for sport fishing license for those individuals over 75 years of age. So, it'll make it cheaper for them to be able to… to fish and hunt in the State of Illinois. I'd be happy to answer any questions."

"Representative Franks moves for adoption of Floor Amendment #1 to House Bill 4329. All in favor say 'aye'; all opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. And Floor Amendment #1 to House Bill 4329 is adopted. Mr. Clerk."

"Third Reading. House Bill 5410, Representative Gabel. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill." 09800114.docx 128  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014

"Third Reading. House Bill 3911, Representative Gordon-Booth. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Third Reading. House Bill 3798, Representative Mautino. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Third Reading. House Bill 4786, Representative Rita. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Third Reading. House Bill 5401, Representative Williams. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Third Reading. House Bill 4594, Representative Zalewski. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill." 09800114.docx 129  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014

"Third Reading. House Bill 390, Representative Will Davis. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Would you like to…" Davis, W.: "Yes, Mr. Speaker. I move for the adoption of Amendment #1."

"Okay. Do you want to tell us a little bit about the Amendment?" Davis, W.: "Well, Amendment #1 essentially becomes the Bill. The Bill is attempting to address issues with regard to corporate tax loopholes and potentially, addressing corporate tax loopholes with regard to bringing more revenue here into the State of Illinois."

"Representative Sullivan, would you like to speak on the pending Amendment?"

"Well, the…"

"Okay."

"The Sponsor will yield." 09800114.docx 130  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014

"Representative Reis, for what reason do you rise? Okay. Representative Kay."

"He indicates he will."

"Ladies and Gentlemen, there is a debate on the floor on this Amendment that you should all be listening to. So, let's just tone it down a little bit, please. Shh."

"Thank you."

"Members…" Davis, W.: "…six in one hand, six in the other."

"Members. Representative Kay, let me just… let me just tell you…"

"…that there's three more speakers that want to speak."

"I would ask everybody to remember that this Bill is on Second Reading."

"So, could you bring your remarks to a close?" 09800114.docx 139  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014

"Thank you. The Chair recognizes Representative Reis."

"Go ahead."

"This Bill received an extension."

"I don't see an extension anywhere on anything."

"That's my information, Representative Reis."

"He indicates he will."

"Representative Reboletti, would you like to speak on Floor Amendment #1?"

"The Sponsor will yield."

"The Chair recognizes Representative Arroyo."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Would the Sponsor yield?"

"He indicates he will."

"Will, there's a lot of confusion in this Bill, a lot of people have been speaking against this Bill. I rise in support of this Bill, but could you be a little clearer on what we're trying to do with this Bill?" Davis, W.: "Well, if you would like me to read it again, Representative, I'll be more than happy to read, again, the three… essentially, the three components of the Bill. Was that… is that what you would like me to do?"

"Yes." 09800114.docx 144  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014 Davis, W.: "Okay. Again, well, essentially, the Bill is trying to provide a way to tax foreign dividends. It's suggesting that we decouple from the Federal QPAI deduction. And it's suggesting that we repeal the noncombination rules."

"Thank you for making that clear. I support your Bill, Mr. Davis. Thank you." Davis, W.: "Thank you."

Speaker Riley: "The Chair recognizes Representative David Harris." Harris, D.: "Thank you, Mr. Speaker. A question of the Sponsor."

"The Sponsor will yield." Harris, D.: "Representative, this Bill started out, I believe, as a shell Bill. Is that correct?" Davis, W.: "That is a possibility." Harris, D.: "A possibility? Did it or didn't it?" Davis, W.: "Well, let me… let me find out an answer to that question. Hold on a minute. Well, I don't know if it was a shell Bill, but it… the House Bill 390 was used as a vehicle Bill for this Amendment. So, I don't know if it was a shell Bill." Harris, D.: "Okay. What did… what did the original House Bill 390 do?" Davis, W.: "I have no idea, Representative." Harris, D.: "Okay. So, the original Bill, House 390 made a technical change, which I think was just to… to change a single word in the Tax Code. So, we use the term 'shell' Bill, but we won't say that this was a shell Bill. This was an intention…" Davis, W.: "A vehicle Bill." 09800114.docx 145  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014 Harris, D.: "…intention to get the Bill out of committee. It went to the… the Bill went to the Executive Committee, correct?" Davis, W.: "You mean the…" Harris, D.: "House Bill… House Bill 390 was reported out of the Executive Committee, correct?" Davis, W.: "I assume you're talking about the original Bill? Now, the Amendment came out of Revenue & Finance." Harris, D.: "Floor Amendment 1?" Davis, W.: "Yes." Harris, D.: "And the specifics of Floor Amendment 1, let's be… let's be clear. The specifics of Floor Amendment 1, when you say it decouples, what's that decoupling mean in terms of dollars and cents?" Davis, W.: "Well, according, again, to what I've had the opportunity to read, and I will share it with you again, Representative, that particular portion of the Bill, the decoupling, financially, indicates that it could net $25 million a year." Harris, D.: "Okay." Davis, W.: "Excuse me, $100 million a year." Harris, D.: "Okay. And the… the dividends deduction… the dividends received deduction, what's that equate to dollars and cents wise?" Davis, W.: "Is that the taxing of foreign dividends, Sir?" Harris, D.: "Right." Davis, W.: "According to the analysis I have, $320 million." Harris, D.: "And the repeal of the noncombination rule for… for corporations. What does that equate to?" Davis, W.: "It could equate to $25 million." 09800114.docx 146  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014 Harris, D.: "Okay. So… and so, the total adds up to about $445 million. Is that correct?" Davis, W.: "If my math is correct." Harris, D.: "Okay. And I'm… I think your math… adding that up, your math looks to be correct. So, this Amendment is going to place an add… $445 million worth of financial burdens on corporations in the State of Illinois, correct?" Davis, W.: "Again, I… if that's how you'd like to characterize it." Harris, D.: "Okay. That's fine. Now, the Leader of your party has said, gosh, corporations were already paying a pretty big burden in the State of Illinois, and he would like to reduce the tax on corporations by 50 percent. So, you seem to be going against the Leader of your Party here, in terms of you want to…" Davis, W.: "Which… which Bill are you referring to?" Harris, D.: "I don't know the Bill number. It's the one that the Speaker introduced that reduces the corporate income tax by 50 percent, retroactive to January 1 of this year." Davis, W.: "Okay. I'm told that he did do that." Harris, D.: "Do… Well, he did. That we know. That we know. My point here, quite simply, is this. And Mr. Speaker, if I may… Mr. Speaker, I request a Roll Call vote on this Amendment."

"Your request is acknowledged." Harris, D.: "Thank you very much. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, let's fully understand what we're voting on. We're voting on new revenues coming out of the corporations of the State of Illinois where this is, call it what you want, it's an additional tax on the corporations of the State of 09800114.docx 147  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014 Illinois. It's an additional burden. We're talking about increasing taxes. The Governor, at least, is talking about increasing taxes at the… at the state lev… excuse me, at the individual level, keeping them where they are now, rather than letting that individual tax revert to what the law currently calls for. He's talking about keeping that there. The Speaker of this House has proposed an income tax increase on a Constitutional Amendment, on changing the income tax for a surcharge on millionaires. We are talking, without exaggeration, about billions of dollars of new revenue. If that's not enough, we now have to change these provisions of the Tax Code to add another half billion dollars of revenue. Think about what you're voting on here. If all of the proposals that have been put forward so far are enacted into law, the revenues of this state would increase, according to my estimation, about 10 percent in one year. This is a huge increase. This alone is a big enough increase. You combine it with everything else that we're talking about, this is absolutely the wrong way to go. This is absolutely the type of… type of Bill that corporations are going to say, Illinois is not business friendly; I don't want to go to Illinois because all they're looking to do is tax me, tax me, tax me. Bad Bill. Bad Amendment. Strongly urge a 'no' vote."

"The Chair recognizes Representative Sandack."

"He indicates he will."

"Representative Davis to close on Floor Amendment #1." Davis, W.: "Well, again, thank you, Mr. Speaker. I appreciate the comments and questions and also the concerns of the previous speakers. And like the Gentleman said, this is a different dynamic than we were in last year. And for me, as an Appropriations' chair, let me explain to you, from my perspective, what that dynamic is. We voted on a Resolution to certify how much revenue we would have available in the next fiscal year. I believe those numbers are off in a negative way of about $2.2 billion. And K-12 education, where I am the chair, where I am the Appropriations' chair, that is going to result in about almost 900 million less in terms of spending on K-12 education. So, I have never shied away from the need for additional revenue here in the State of Illinois, to put on the table to make sure that we can do a number of things, do a number of things. This Bill presents one way that we can help us to get to the possibility of flat funding in education. And if we're unable to do that, again, when we start to go into our appropriations process, we're going to start to make some significant cuts. One thing that Members on both of the… both sides of the aisle are always sensitive about are mandated categoricals, which is primarily our special-ed spending. There's no way that we can maintain a maintenance of effort in those categories with $900 million less. Which means that if we don't replace it the following year, that means the Federal Government is going to come and penalize us. That's interesting. Again, we're talking about putting revenue on the table to help us to accomplish the 09800114.docx 151  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014 things that we're attempting to do. Some… someone on that side characterized it that this is a tax burden on businesses. Well, if you're not paying taxes, don't you think you should pay taxes? And unfortunately, we do have some corporations who are not paying taxes in the State of Illinois. So, if you want to talk about fairness, are they paying their fair share? No, they're not. Why shouldn't we ask them to pay their fair share of taxes? House Bill 390, Floor Amendment #1, is one way in which we are attempting to get to that fairness that all of you talk about, or many of you talk about, here in Springfield in terms of how we work with our businesses and the business in the corporate climate. That's what's important here. That's what we're attempting to do here. Again, I think we need revenue. I never shied away from additional revenue. This is one component of getting us to where we need to go, in addition to the other components as well. So, I strongly encourage, strongly encourage, you to support this measure if you are at the very least concerned about cuts in education. Thank you."

Speaker Riley: "Representative Davis moves do adopt Floor Amendment #1 to House Bill 390. Remember, this is a Roll Call vote and it is the preponderance of the 'aye' votes, more 'yeas' than 'nays'. So, the question is, 'Shall Floor Amendment #1 to House Bill 390 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye'; all those opposed vote 'nay'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, with 49 voting 'yea', 65 voting 'nay', 0 voting 'present', Floor Amendment #1 to House Bill 390 has not been adopted. We are 09800114.docx 152  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014 still on the Order of Second Reading. House Bill 5895, Representative Brady. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Third Reading. House Bill 5893, Leader Durkin. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1322, Representative Hoffman. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Third Reading. House Bill 5348, Representative McAsey. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Third Reading. Now we're going to move to the Order of Third Reading. We're back on Third Reading, Ladies and Gentlemen. House Bill 3748, Representative Monique Davis. Mr. Clerk."

"Representative Monique Davis." 09800114.docx 153  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014 Davis, M.: "Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This Bill merely changes the reporting date. I think it's extending the life of the Disparities Commission. It's a commission that doesn't get any dollars, and the date for its extinction was coming up and we wanted to extend that for two years."

"There being no debate, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 3748 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye'; all those opposed vote 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, with 115 voting 'yea', 0 voting 'nay', 0 voting 'present', House Bill 3748, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Bost, for what reason do you rise?"

"Thank you. We'll certainly reflect that. House Bill 5514, Representative Cavaletto. Mr. Clerk."

"Representative Cavaletto."

"There being no debate, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 5514 pass?' All in favor vote 'aye'; all opposed vote 'nay'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? D'Amico. Curry. Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, with 112 voting 'yea', 0 voting 'nay', 0 voting 'present', House Bill 5514, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 4491, Representative Davidsmeyer. Mr. Clerk."

"Representative Davidsmeyer."

"There being no debate, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 4491 pass?' All in favor vote 'aye'; all those opposed vote 'nay'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Members. Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, with 110 voting 'yea', 2 voting 'nay', 0 voting 'present', House Bill 4491, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 5397, Representative Mayfield. Mr. Clerk."

"Representative Mayfield."

"Okay. Thank you. Today, I'm calling House Bill 5397, a Bill that implements fitness testing in Illinois schools by the 2016-'17 academic year to help improve the health of our youth and provides students, teachers, school districts, parents, and other entire states the tools we need to improve fitness through physical education classes. This Bill puts into action one of the recommendations from the Illinois Enhanced P.E. Task force that was created by the General Assembly in 2012. This Bill will do what we've been talking about for a very long time. It will help to eradicate and reduce the number of child obesity and child diabetes within our state. Thank you."

"The Chair recognizes Representative Sandack."

"Sponsor will yield."

"Yes and no. Yes and no."

"Basically, they're already cor… I'm sorry, let me… Schools are already aggregating this data. We're just asking that… Hold on, I'm sorry. Let me find that in my notes because that question did come up once before. Bear with me one second."

"Okay. Representative, no, it is not an unfunded mandate."

"I'm sorry, Representative. I just needed to get clarification. What this will do, the task force will determine how the… how this program will be funded."

"Yes. Can I remove it just temporarily? I need to get clarification."

"Mr. Clerk, out of the record. House Bill 5546, Representative Nekritz. Mr. Clerk."

"Representative Nekritz."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This legislation is an initiative of the State Board of Education to clean up some confusing language that led to confusion regarding an election for the regional school board. It's what happens when there's vacancies in one district and an election in another district, and then clarifying that so that we can get these people seated and serving in an orderly fashion."

"The Chair recognizes Representative Sullivan. Then the question is, 'Shall House Bill 554… I'm sorry. The question is, 'Shall House Bill 5546 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye'; all those opposed vote 'nay'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, with 111 voting 'yea', 0 voting 'nay', 0 voting 'present', House Bill 5546, having received the Constitutional Majority, 09800114.docx 157  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014 is hereby declared passed. House Bill 4482, Representative Reboletti. Mr. Clerk."

"Out of the record. Returning to House Bill 5397. Mr. Clerk."

"Representative Mayfield."

"Thank you. This Bill, basically, would create… set up a task force to develop protocols for appropriate implementation and reporting of fitness data. Schools can obtain these resources free, so there is no cost to the school district for the implementation of this report."

"The Chair recognizes Representative Sandack, just in time."

"Indicates she will."

"I'm sorry."

"It is a task force that will develop this fitness program test, yes. And actually, what it is, this… there are resources out there for implementing and tracking fitness within the schools. What this will do, it will assist P.E. teachers in helping to determine what is best for their students to obtain optimal fitness. One of the things that… we've done everything within the school districts to combat childhood obesity. We've taken out all the fattening foods, 09800114.docx 158  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014 we're… all the fattening drinks, the sweets. Everything is gone, but yet, childhood obesity continues to rise within our school district. The one element that is missing is fitness. So, by helping the teachers to develop a program, as well as helping the students to understand what their fitness levels are and what they can do in order to help themselves to combat some of these child obesity issues, this is really a very good thing for the school districts and for the students themselves. And again, I'd just like to stress that it is free."

"Actually, that… I'm not… what… that task force provided recommendations and they recommended… and this Bill is a result of that task force, which recommended that we have a fit… a physical fitness assessment program."

"Who's opposed?"

"No. To my understanding, they are not."

"No. They recommended the fitness… they recommended a physical fitness testing. And what I'm trying to achieve here is to set up a task force to figure out what the best way it 09800114.docx 159  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014 is to do that. Or I'm just following their recommendations, which asked for a physical fitness assessment, and the task force is just looking at the best way in order to implement that. And again, there are free programs out there."

"They recommend the physical fitness testing for these students."

"So, it's their recommendation, so I'm not under… I don't know why your analysis says that when this is right out of their report and all we're doing is implementing what they requested."

"The Chair recognizes Representative Franks."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"She indicates she will."

"Representative, I'm reading the actual Amendment online and besides the task force being implemented, I think that your… the Bill now calls for actual implementation of a fitness program. Am I correct?"

"It re… it's asking for fitness physical assessments after 2016."

"All right. So, the… but I'm reading on, I'm not sure what page it is, it's line 10, it says public school shall 09800114.docx 160  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014 integrate health-related fitness testing into the curriculum as an instructional tool…"

"That is correct."

"…except in the… Okay. So, has there been a fiscal note attached to this?"

"No, there is not."

"Okay. My only…"

"There is no cost for the programming. I've already researched that and the programming is free."

"Our… our analysis for the underlying Bill talked about one company and there was significant cost in that. How…"

"That company was removed. That's why we did the Amendment. We did not want to be held down to one specific company offering this resource, particularly, when there are other assessment tools out there that are free and available to the districts."

"I get… Okay. I understand you took out that company but I… is there anybody who's going to give it for free? I'm just… I'm concerned that we don't have the fiscal impact on this. And I'm not saying it's a bad idea. I just think that with this… the budgets that we're doing, is this subject to appropriation or is this mandated?"

"Actually, there is no cost. That's why there's no fiscal note attached to this because the programming… there are literally thousands of physical fitness assessment programs out there that are free, absolutely, 100 percent free."

"I hear what you're saying. I have a hard time believing that there's going to be no cost. And if it's already free 09800114.docx 161  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014 out there, wouldn't it make more sense to do this by a Resolution, then, instead of mandating this?"

"We are… I'm basically trying to implement one of the recommendations from the initial task force. This is what they recommended that needed to be implemented in the State of Illinois."

"Okay. I appreciate your response and I'll continue to listen to the debate."

"The Chair recognizes Leader Bellock."

"She indicates she will."

"Actually, Representative, this is very easy to do. It requires that twice a year, at the beginning of the school and at the end of the school year, that they track fitness data for the students. And then based upon those numbers, 09800114.docx 162  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014 that they can use… teachers in the school districts can then use those numbers to enhance their physical education programs to the benefit of our students. It is not something that is ongoing throughout the year, it is simply twice a year at a minimum."

"Okay."

"Excuse me, Representative. Let me just explain a little bit more thoroughly what this does."

"Because, as a dist… as a Body, the Illinois Enhanced P.E. Task Force that was created in the General Assembly in 2012 was charged with finding out how can we combat childhood obesity…"

"…within our school districts. This is a recommendation from that task force. We are constantly, as a Body, talking about what can we do to enhance and to reduce… to enhance physical fitness and reduce childhood obesity within our school districts. This Bill will do just that. This Bill will 09800114.docx 163  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014 benefit our students. It is a two-prong approach. It is diet and exercise. We have done everything we can on the nutritional level within our school districts. We have done… we have not done enough on the physical level. I'm simply asking that a minimum of twice a year; it's very easy to do. I've talked to several gym teachers about this, you know, how hard would it be for you to implement this? And they're like, this is nothing. You know, we have the children run around the gym once; we have them do jumping jacks. You know, the first week of school is very unstructured and they have no problem implementing this and doing that assessment on a twice-a-year basis. A lot of the gym teachers felt that this would actually help them because they would actually have the data from the beginning to end to see if the program that they're offering within those gym classes are affective and if it is helping to reduce those childhood obesities, because that's what their goal is as well. They want the students to be healthy. They want them to be active. And they want to be able to provide that information to the students on what can help them to achieve their physical fitness goals. This is a very good Bill and again, it doesn't cost anything. They're already administering physical fitness within the schools."

"They are not opposed. This is their recommendation."

"No. This is their recommendation."

"The Chair recognizes Representative Davidsmeyer. Out of the record. The Chair recognizes Representative Sullivan."

"She indicates she will."

"They can choose to monitor more than twice a year. That is at their discretion. I am not say… that is why it is very generically worded. It does not say they have to do it 5 times, 10 times, or anything like that. It is at the school's discretion. Twice a year is the minimum recommended, which is at the beginning and the end of the year. That data can then be used for the following and subsequent years to help that child to achieve their goals. It doesn't say it has to all be done in one year. It can be done over a course of three/four years. That…"

"My anal… my analysis does not show that. I have not talked to anyone from there stating that they were opposed. I did talk to the two individuals that did state they were opposed and I was able to explain the Bill to them."

"They are not opposed and if you look at the proponents, and I will be happy to read all of the proponents, because there are quite a few proponents. There's over more than 20 proponents to this Bill."

"This is a very good Bill…"

"…that will do what we, as a Body, have been talking about for the longest, which is reduce childhood obesity. Either you're going to walk the talk or you're not. If you're really interested in reducing childhood obesity within our schools and helping our students to be physically fit and you know, decrease diabetes within our children, to reduce that obesity level, then this is a very good Bill. And it is free of charge. Yes."

"Well, Representative, if you're holding the slip, obviously, they didn't file it. Maybe they changed their mind. This is their recommendation, because I am looking at the computer and they are not on here as being opposed. I thank you so much for that. This is their recommendation. Maybe you can have staff pull their recommendation and you will see that this is their recommendation. So, I can hardly believe that they would be opposed to their own recommendation."

"The Chair recognizes Representative Ken Dunkin."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. To the Bill. Excuse me, will the Sponsor yield for questions?"

"She indicates she will."

"Representative, how much does this cost?"

"It doesn't cost anything."

"It doesn't cost a red cent?"

"Not one red cent. There are programs out there that are more than willing to provide free software to do this. They're even willing to provide individual assessments to the children free of charge."

"So, this cost the state zero, school districts zero… To the Bill. Ladies and Gentlemen, this Bill is something that we talk about, as adults, and we understand the value and the 09800114.docx 168  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014 importance of it. They already offer the assessment plan for free… or the fitnessgram, for free. This is something that we know our kids, who are, unfortunately, obese at an early age, experiencing diabetes at an early age, having ailments at an early age, and we find a program to simply form a task force. It's a task force that's free. It costs no money. What's the issue? Representative, I applaud you and your hard work on the Bill. You've done your due diligence. To have this overwhelming level of support is commendable. This is an easy 'aye' vote. Thank you."

"We still have a couple of Members that wish to debate this Bill. Can we keep the noise… noise level down a little bit, please? Thank you. The Chair recognizes Representative Ives."

"The Chair recognizes Representative Reboletti."

"Representative Mayfield to close."

"Thank you. This Bill, and I want to stress, there is… opposition that was voiced on the other side of the aisle is not true opposition. This is a recommendation of the Enhanced Illinois P.E. Task Force that was created by this General Assembly to study the impact of physical education on our children. This Bill will reduce childhood obesity; it will reduce childhood diabetes. We've had several Members in this House present Bills that will… along the same lines of physical fitness for our children. Either you're going to walk the talk or you're just going to continue to talk and not do anything about it, which is what I'm hearing from the other side of this aisle. This is a free program. The physical education department that I… association is a proponent of this Bill, so they don't see it as an unfunded mandate. They see it as a tool which will help them to assess the needs of their students and to provide better physical fitness to the students of the State of Illinois and again, reduce childhood obesity and childhood diabetes. I'm asking for an 'aye' vote. It's an easy 'yes'. Thank you."

"The question is, 'Shall House Bill 5397 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye'; all those opposed vote 'nay'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, with 63 voting 'yea', 48 voting 'nay' and 0 voting 'present', House Bill 5397, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 4745. House Bill 4745, Representative Sente. Mr. Clerk." 09800114.docx 171  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014

"Representative Carol Sente."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. House Bill 4745 addresses the topic of hosting underage drinking parties. We passed this Bill out of the House two years ago with a clear bipartisan majority, but we ran out of time in the Senate. What is important to note in this legislation is that it focuses on cleanup language and making the law consistent among differing groups. It does not insert new or increased penalties into law that do not already exist today. It specifically does four things. Today, parents and guardians are not allowed to host underage drinking parties in their home or on other private property. This Bill adds the same provision to other private property to the classification other persons. Item 2) for both categories of persons, the Bill also prohibits hosting of underage drinking parties in a vehicle, watercraft, or other conveyance under the house control. Item 3) the Bill creates immunity provisions for all categories of person. If an individual enter… either requests the group to disband or calls the police, the individual is no longer liable. And finally, the Bill clarifies that a landlord of a building is not responsible for an underage drinking party that is hosted by one of their tenants. The landlord is not the host and, therefore, has no liability. I recommend an 'aye' vote."

"There being no debate, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 4745 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye'; all those opposed vote 'nay'. The voting is open. Have all voted 09800114.docx 172  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014 who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Feigenholtz. Monique Davis. Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, with 112 voting 'yea', 0 voting 'nay', 0 voting 'present', House Bill 4745, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Rep… Representative Andrade. Out of the record. House Bill 4482. House Bill 4482, Representative Reboletti. Mr. Clerk."

"Representative Reboletti."

"There being no debate, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 4482 pass?' All in favor vote 'aye'; all opposed vote 'nay'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, with 112 voting 'yea', 0 voting 'nay', 0 voting 'present', House Bill 4482, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 4783, Representative Welch. Mr. Clerk."

"Representative Welch."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. House Bill 4783 amends the Condominium Property Act and provides that certain provisions of the Condominium Association bylaws are void. This is 09800114.docx 173  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014 another initiative of the Chicago Bar Association. I ask for an 'aye' vote."

"The Chair recognizes Representative Sandack."

"He indicates he will."

"She is a strong proponent."

"She's a generous cosponsor."

"Representative Welch to close."

"Thank you. I recommend an 'aye' vote, as well."

"The question is, 'Shall House Bill 4783 pass?' All those in favor state by saying 'yea'; all those opposed 'nay'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, with 112 voting 'yea', 0 voting 'nay', 0 voting 'present', House Bill 4783, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 5662. House Bill 5662, Representative Willis. Mr. Clerk." 09800114.docx 174  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014

"Representative Willis."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This Bill is to establish license plates and to establish an emergency management fund. This is an initiative from my district for one of the emergency management agencies. I urge an 'aye' vote."

"There being no debate, House… the question is, 'Shall House Bill 5662 pass?' All in favor vote 'aye'; all opposed vote 'nay'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Walsh, Mautino. Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, with 107 voting 'yea', 5 voting 'nay', 0 voting 'present', House Bill 5662, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Moving to Order of Second Reading, we have House Bill 5686, Representative Currie. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"Leader Currie."

"Thank you, Speaker, Members of the House. This is a technical Bill about a technical change to Illinois guardianship law. What it does is specifies how someone who's been asked to serve as a guardian for a child on a short-term basis would have some standing in court should somebody else want to establish that guardianship and take it away from them. There is no opposition. I'd appreciate your 'aye' vote." 09800114.docx 175  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014

Speaker Riley: "Leader Currie moves for adoption of Floor Amendment 2 to House Bill 5686. All in favor say 'aye'; all opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. And Floor Amendment #2 to House Bill 5686 has been adopted. Mr. Clerk."

"Third Reading. On Order of Resolutions, we have House Resolution 896. Mr. Clerk, read the Resolution. Representative Lilly. Out of the record. We'll try it again. House Resolution 896, offered by Representative Camille Lilly."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I rise to present House Resolution 826(sic-896). This Resolution directs our House Committee, Museum, Arts, & Cultural Enhancement, to hold hearings related to Illinois Arts and Cultural Attendance and Funding Report that affects the services and programs at the Illinois arts and cultural attendance program. It also directs us to hold hearings around all regions of the state, making sure that we are visiting each area and receiving testimony in reference to funding related to the arts and cultural events, not only from the government but also from private funders. It also directs us to review the attendance at various arts and cultural venues and educational programs throughout the state while looking at and reviewing the economic impact of the arts and cultural activities and venues throughout Illinois. The report will be submitted with our findings and recommendation to the General Assembly January 2015. I thank you for your attention. And I ask for an 'aye' vote." 09800114.docx 176  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014

"Representative Lilly moves for adoption of House Resolution 896. All in favor say 'aye'; all opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. And House Resolution 896 is adopted. Next, we have House Resolution 897, offered by Representative Lilly. Representative."

"Yes. In recognition of Museum Lobby Day, and many of you may have received invitations to meet with many of the museum directors, House Resolution 897 is very similar to House Resolution 896, where we are representing and doing the same type of hearing for the museums and its attendance, our state museum, and its attendance throughout the State of Illinois. We also will be presenting a report and the findings and recommendations to the General Assembly on January 2015, in reference to the museums needs as it relates to education, economic impact, and its attendance. Thank you for your attention, again, in this matter. And I ask for an 'aye' vote."

"Representative Lilly moves for adoption of House Resolution 897. All in favor say 'aye'; all opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. And House Resolution 897 is hereby adopted. The Chair recognizes Representative Reboletti."

"Thank you. Clerk, would you please repost House Resolution 897? Members, we're going to vote on House Resolution 897. We're going to vote on House Resolution 897. So, the question is, 'Shall House Resolution 897 pass?' All 09800114.docx 177  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014 those in favor vote 'aye'; opposed vote 'nay'. The voting's open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, with 99 voting 'yea', 11 voting 'nay', 0 voting 'present', House Resolution 897 is hereby declared passed. Representative Reboletti, I just want to say, from the Chair, at the time that we came back, it was a measure that should’ve been a Roll Call vote. At the time we came back for the vote, I just did not see your name posted as asking a question. So, I apologize for that but you know, the efforts and duties of the Chair have to move quickly and that's the reason why you were not recognized. Next, we have House Resolution 979. House Resolution 979. This is a Death Resolution. Mr. Clerk, read the Resolution."

"Representative Dunkin."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I know some of us… a lot of us here are of various generations. We're from various parts of the state but many of you are probably not aware, but you probably are, of a person who spent a great deal of his 40 years here in the State of Illinois, a person by the name of Frankie Knuckles. And Frankie Knuckles, for those of you who may not be familiar, is the man who coined and produced the term house music. And house music today, if you travel anywhere from… to 09800114.docx 178  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014 Africa to Asia to Ireland, you'll hear a great appreciation and a strong familiarity of an individual from our very own state, Frankie Knuckles, talked about in the genre of house music and what he's created and done for so many souls all across the world. A star producer on film scores, music, he created a genre that drew a lot of people here, internationally, to our respective state, and really set the tone and changed music. Just as blues, rock, jazz, house music is born, and was born, in the City of Chicago, in our great state. And I simply wanted us to just to acknowledge a person who was low-key that most people loved and were inspired by and someone who provided therapy during our most stressful times in an underground music scene for a lot of African- American gay and lesbian citizens, for a lot of straight men and women who simply needed an out. And he really shifted the paradigm of music in the late '70s and the '80s, and throughout. And he recently passed this week, someone who really was appreciated by thousands all across the world. And so, I'm simply asking all of us to acknowledge the death of Frankie Warren Knuckles, Jr. of Chicago, someone that, a lot of your young people and some of us, will remember and we'll be talking about for decades to come."

"Moment of silence. Thank you. And thank you Representative Dunkin. Representative Reis, for what reason do you rise?"

"Make your point."

"The Chair recognizes Representative Ford."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I just wanted to comment on the previous speaker and invite him to the 8th District. On the 24th, the superintendent will be visiting the 8th District, my district, at a school to talk about Common Core. So, I invite you to be my guest." 09800114.docx 180  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014

Speaker Riley: "The Chair recognizes Representative Sara Feigenholtz."

"Thank you, Representative Riley. I would like, for those of us who are Northside fans, to stand for a moment of silence. Tomorrow is opening day and we will be… we will be here while the first pitch is thrown, unlike Monday, when on the Southside, we were miraculously adjourned."

"Hope springs eternal. On the Order of… on the Order of Postponed Consideration, we have House Bill 5311. House Bill 5311. Representative McSweeney."

"The Chair recognizes Representative Unes."

"He indicates he will."

Speaker Riley: "The Chair recognizes Representative Keith Sommer."

"The Chair recognizes Representative Martwick."

"Thank you, Mr. Sponsor… Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"He indicates he will."

"Representative, we had a rather spirited discussion about this Bill last time and… and I know that you've worked it very hard since it was held on Postponed Consideration. I just have a couple of questions for you. The last time I asked 09800114.docx 182  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014 if you had taken any time to investigate whether or not any of the townships affected by this have been particularly irresponsible with their budgeting or if there were any instances where they were responsible in their budgeting. In fact, if any of them had, on their own, frozen their levies from any year to year. Do you… have you done any of that work since the last time this Bill was called?"

"And I… I commend you for that intent and I want to… I wanted to echo your sentiments that every taxpayer in this state deserves a break on their property taxes, there's no doubt about it. So, my question isn't whether your intent is good, as I mentioned the last time we had the debate. I commend your intent, I think it's excellent. My question is, is this the best way to go about it? So, I'm curious if anyone… we heard from our colleague Representative Yingling last time and… and I want to bring up his example. Okay? Because I think that's an important example. He ran for office for township on the idea that his township budget was overbloated. He was elected on that mandate. He cut the levy by 22 percent. That is exactly what democracy is all about. How does it serve democracy when we up here in Springfield, 09800114.docx 183  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014 who have no idea what goes on in the local levels. We don't understand the pressures. You heard from your colleagues where there are townships that have been devastated by… by natural disasters. There are many pressures on local government. And if a local government has been responsible with its budgeting and has done everything that they can to hold the line on taxes, and they are doing a good job for the property taxpayer, which many townships are, how is it that you feel it is our responsibility to cap their property taxes? Why do you think we're better served to do this than at the local level?"

"Do you know what percentage of the typical property tax bill goes to township government?"

"Five percent. And this would exclude the road fund?"

"And it would exclude the general assistance?"

"So, that probably brings you down to two, roughly?"

"And what was the… what was the PTELL limitation last year?" 09800114.docx 184  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014

"So, this is would be, at best, 1.7 percent of five percent?"

"2.1 percent of…"

"…five percent?"

"Yeah."

"Right. I'm just trying to figure out what you'd save on…"

"…on your property tax bill."

"Oh, I… I…"

"Right. Right. And… and again, I commend you for your good intentions, Representative. I question the… the effectiveness of this."

"And… to the Bill. The last time I spoke on this Bill, I used a term that some people have thought was rather funny. 09800114.docx 185  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014 I used the term Democracy for Dummies. And you know, I'm… I love our system of government. I think it's the best system in the world. And part of Democracy is allowing people to make choices that they want. And as we all know, we hear it from every corner of this chamber, the best decisions that are made are made on the local level. And I don't think anything is more important than allowing local taxing districts to have the authority to make effective decisions, financial decisions, regarding what they do. And I think it is extremely hypocritical, for us in Springfield, to say that we know better about what goes on in local communities. That is hypocrisy at its finest. Despite the intentions, the good intentions, of our… of the Representative that is promoting this Bill, this is a bad way to go about it. The best way to control your local taxation is with your local officials at the ballot box. You have far greater access to them than you have here. Ladies and Gentlemen, let's be honest with our voters. This is not the place to provide them property tax relief. Let's get them engaged. Let them be civically minded. Let them work with their local governments. Let them show up at their elections and make decisions on their level, not here. Please vote 'no'."

"The Chair recognizes Representative Hammond."

"He indicates he will."

"The Chair recognizes Representative Cabello."

"The Chair recognizes Representative Bost."

"Thank you. The Chair recognizes Representative Lou Lang."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen. So, this was a bad Bill yesterday, it's a bad Bill today, and it will be a bad Bill tomorrow. And if it goes to the Senate tomorrow, it'll still be a bad Bill in the Senate. Representative Hammond had it correctly. Representative Hammond, we don't always agree, you're right on this one. We have units of government in the State of Illinois, separate sovereign units of government where they have elected officials elected by the people in those districts, whether they be State Representatives, State Senators, Governors, township officials, village officials, these people are elected to make decisions. We have a Constitution that says let's go elect these people to make decisions. They are separate taxing bodies. They are elected to make decisions. Now, if we pass this Bill, we'll be telling townships all over the State of Illinois what they can and cannot do with their levies and then what's next? So, the Sponsor of the Bill says, well, property tax relief, Ladies and Gentlemen, has to start some place. Fine. But if this is where it starts, and the theory is that we're going to tell other sovereign units of government with their own elected officials how to levy and what taxes to do and what taxes they cannot do, then the next thing is we're going to tell municipalities, not just townships. Then we're going to tell counties. Is that the plan? Will you then vote for that because you want to tell your voters, I'm for property tax relief and we're going to decide all things from Springfield? And some of you that voted 09800114.docx 191  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014 for this Bill yesterday when it was just as bad a Bill as it is today, and some of you who will vote for this today when it's just as bad a Bill as it was yesterday, are on this floor consistently talking about local control, and consistently saying this should not be the nanny state, and consistently speaking out about why Springfield is not the font of all knowledge and how… how dare we tell other people what to do. Well, isn't that what this Bill does in the name of a maybe $2.50 off somebody's township bill? That's all we're talking about. It's a small amount of money and you would say, well, the principle is important; property tax relief has to start somewhere. I agree. And if your local township is raising taxes, go elect different people. We have an election in township government every four years to elect township officials. If they're not getting it done, vote different people in. Go help nominate different people. Help them get their nominating petitions done. Get the most conservative people you want to run and get them elected. And then maybe they'll cut out the levy entirely and they'll run the township based on personal donations out of people's pockets. This Bill is nuts. I'm telling you. If you believe in our Constitution and you believe in government and you believe in the sovereignty of local governments to make their own decisions, you can't vote for this. The only way you can vote for this is if you're a property tax panderer. That is the only possible way you can vote for this Bill. Do not vote for this Bill. Vote 'no'." 09800114.docx 192  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014

Speaker Riley: "Representative… The Chair recognizes Representative Sandack. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, be quick with your fingers. Thank you. Representative Sandack."

"The Chair recognizes Representative Yingling."

"Okay. So we've been on what, I think, is the third time we've voted on this Bill. As many of you know, I used to be a township supervisor. And yes, I would qualify myself as a property tax panderer just like Representative Sandack. You know, I have yet to get a single call, a single e-mail, anything from a constituent of mine in regards to this Bill that says, please, Representative Yingling, do not decrease my property taxes. I have yet to get one of those calls. So, this notion that somehow it's up to the local unit of government to decide how they're going to tax and that Springfield never implements any sort of… any sort of law 09800114.docx 193  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014 upon them to determine how they tax is absolute bogus. I mean, if you just look at PTELL, that's a State Law. So, I do not understand what the resistance is here to providing some simple property tax relief to our already overburdened property taxpayers. And I'm telling you this as a former township supervisor. This is a reasonable measure. This is something that can be done. So, I strongly encourage you to vote in favor and finally provide our residents some minor form of property tax relief. Please vote 'yes'."

"The Chair recognizes Representative Reboletti."

"The Chair recognizes Representative Morrison."

"The Chair recognizes Representative Jack Franks."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. To the Bill. You know, one of the previous speakers said this was nuts and I propose to be Mounds to his Almond Joy, because this is the right thing to be doing here. Listen, we have a real problem with property taxes in the PTELL counties. We have the second highest property taxes in the country after New Jersey. Lake County is one of the highest in the country. McHenry County is 16th highest in the country. I think six of the highest property tax counties in the entire state are in Illinois. That's not what we ought to be known for. I can tell you, in my district, many people's property taxes are higher than their mortgage. We are forcing people out of their homes. Seniors on fixed incomes are having to sell their homes because of our property taxes. We tried to pass the Bill here a couple of years ago that said, when your property values fall your property taxes shouldn't increase. It didn't pass last year. I don't get it. It should've. I'm embarrassed that it didn't pass. I'm glad that my friend is standing for this Bill. It doesn't give the entire relief that we were seeking in the other, but this is a start. And I think this is something we need to send a very strong message to the locals that when property values fall, you should not be raising property taxes. That's the bottom line. Let's send a message. Let's pass this Bill."

"The Chair recognizes Representative Ives."

"Representative McSweeney to close."

"The question is, 'Shall House Bill 5311 pass?' All in favor vote 'aye'; all opposed vote 'nay'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Members, record yourselves. Rita, Stewart, Davis. Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, with 66 voting 'yea', 43 voting 'nay', 0 voting 'present', House Bill 5311, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Mr. Clerk, Agreed Resolutions."

"Representative Currie moves that the Agreed Resolutions be adopted. All in favor state by saying 'aye'; 09800114.docx 197  STATE OF ILLINOIS 98th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 114th Legislative Day 4/3/2014 all opposed 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. And the Agreed Resolutions are adopted. Now, back to the Order of Second Reading. We have House Bill 4422. Representative Jefferson. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

Speaker Riley: "Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, committee announcements."

"Thank you. And now, allowing for perfunctory time for the Clerk, Leader Currie moves that the House stand in adjournment until Friday, April 4 at the hour of 9 a.m. All in favor state by saying 'aye'; opposed 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. And the House of Representatives is adjourned."