Illinois House Floor Debate — May 26, 2015

"Members should be in their seats. We shall be led in prayer today by Pastor Roy Rhodes, who is with Abundant Life Church in Alton, Illinois. Pastor Rhodes is the guest of Representative Beiser. Members and guests are asked to refrain from starting their laptops, turn off all cell phones, and rise for the invocation and the Pledge of Allegiance."

"We shall be led in the Pledge of Allegiance today by Representative Ann Williams." Williams – et al: "I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

"Roll call for attendance. Representative Brown."

"Representative Feigenholtz."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Let the record reflect that Representatives Monique Davis, Frank Mautino, and Al Riley are excused."

Speaker Turner: "With 113 Members present, a quorum is established. Mr. Clerk, Committee Reports."

"Leader Bellock, for what reason do you seek recognition?"

"Please proceed, Representative."

"Representative Mayfield, for what reason do you seek recognition?"

"I'd just like to remind everybody and invite them out this evening for Soul & Salsa. It is the Black & Latino Caucus end of session party at the Black Caucus House directly behind the Capitol building. Starts at 6 p.m. tonight, great food, entertainment. Everybody is more than welcome to come out and enjoy with us. Thank you."

"Thank you, Representative. Representative Brady, for what reason do you seek recognition?" 09900055.docx 4  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015

"Please proceed, Sir."

Speaker Turner: "Thank you and welcome to your Capitol. Representative Reis, for what reason do you seek recognition?"

"Please proceed."

"Representative, we will look into it."

"Representative Leitch, for what reason do you seek recognition?"

"Please proceed, Sir."

Speaker Turner: "Thank you and welcome to your Capitol. Representative Brown."

"The House will recess and reconvene at 1:00. At that time we will do the memorial service."

"I would ask all House Members who can hear this in their offices to come to the floor for the Memorial Day commemoration. The House will be in order. Members will be at their chairs. Would the Members and our guests in the gallery please stand for the presentation of colors by the 114th Regiment Illinois Volunteer Infantry (Reactivated). Mr. Clerk, please read House Resolution 499."

"Leader Currie moves for the adoption of House Resolution 499. Those in favor say 'yes'; opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it and the Resolution is adopted. Proceeding to the roll call of fallen soldiers. Mr. Anthony."

"Representative McDermed.

"Representative Chapa LaVia."

"Thank you, Speaker. I'm humbled. Cpl. Sara A. Medina, United States Marine, died May 12, 2015, Aurora, Illinois."

"The Body will take a moment of silence in memory of the fallen. The Chair recognizes Representative Kifowit."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am humbled to give remarks today with regards to Memorial Day and the words on behalf of a grateful nation are words spoken upon the presentation of the American flag to the family of a fallen comrade. Those are words that come to mind when I reflect on the importance of Memorial Day. However, while most families view Memorial Day as a day to be with family, cook out on the grill, or view a parade I realize that this profound day is heavy in 09900055.docx 8  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015 the hearts and souls of the families that have lost so much in protecting the freedom so many have taken for granted. Thus in reflection, I must profess that I have no words that can be said to properly convey the gravity and importance of not only Memorial Day, but of every day that is endured by the loved ones who have suffered through the loss of someone who has given their life for the precious freedoms in the great United States of America. I cannot begin to find the words for the parents of Marine Cpl. Sara Medina, who will never see her have a family of her own to her ultimate sacrifice for our freedoms. There are no words I can say to the brother of Marine Lance Cpl. Jesse Delatorre, who is not here to be the uncle to his brother's child who will never know him because of his ultimate sacrifice. Marines Lance Cpl. Hector Ramos, Eduardo Lopez appreciated life so much that they wanted to give a difference and serve their country. And I cannot begin to say of the potential that they could have achieved that was cut short because of their sacrifice. What can be said to the loved ones of Army Specialist Christopher Patterson, who at age 20, took a leave from Valparaiso University to serve his country only to not graduate because he gave the ultimate sacrifice. And as a wife, I cannot speak any words that could console the wife of Marine 1st Lt. Timothy Ryan, who cannot have a family and grow old with her because he gave the ultimate sacrifice. These are two individuals from the City of Aurora, of which I represent, but there are many more from the great State of Illinois. So on Memorial Day, along with every day of the year that we are given the gift of freedom, we should hold 09900055.docx 9  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015 these individuals, who are among the almost one million individuals who have lost their lives serving our country, in our hearts and souls. While I could not pen the words to say about the ultimate sacrifice our men and women have given for my freedom, I can embody their ultimate sacrifice in ensuring that my actions speak louder than any words that can be stated at any ceremony. Thus, I pledge to do all I can to continue to cherish the blessing that I've been given by living in the United States of America, and I will not have their ultimate sacrifice for my freedom be made in vain and I will hope that many others will do the same. Mr. Speaker, freedom is not free and I'm humbled and honored to be able to give these remarks."

"Mr. Harris." Harris, D.: "Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Yesterday there were Memorial Day services throughout our country, and as many of us know, the individual who started Memorial Day, who was the force behind the creation of Memorial Day was none other than an Illinoisan, General John Logan, who went on to become an Illinois Senator. He started it out as Decoration Day, where the graves of Civil War dead would be decorated and it became Memorial Day. And while we recognize in particular and honor the three individuals, who unfortunately lost their lives during the past year, I think it's worthwhile to note that throughout the years how many individuals, how many service members have indeed lost their lives. Seven hundred fifty thousand soldiers in the Civil War and think of that, that's a staggering number in comparison to what our population was at 09900055.docx 10  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015 the time. The Spanish-American War, 6,500; World War I, 117,000 service members; World War II, 405,000; Korea, over 36,000; Vietnam, 58,000; 4,500 in Iraq; 2,200 in Afghanistan. Those are the big ones, but Mogadishu, Grenada, Panama, Haiti, the Boxer Rebellion at the turn of the 1900s, American servicemen lost their lives. They didn't come home to their loved ones. They gave all they had in service to their buddies, in service to their cause, in service to this great country. We need to remember and recognize all of them for what they have given us and the freedoms that we have because of what they've done. God bless each and every one of them, and in particular of course, the three service members that we honor here today. Thank you."

"Mr. Frese."

"Thank you, Members, you may be seated. It's difficult at a time like this, but we’re going back to the 09900055.docx 11  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015 regular order of business. On page 19 of the Calendar, under the Order of Concurrence, appears House Bill 220. Mr. Moffitt. Please proceed, Sir, on your Motion."

"Mr. Frese."

"Mr. Bradley on the Motion."

"I've had the opportunity to work with the Gentleman. We need to support this measure and I would encourage everyone on both sides to vote 'aye'."

"Those in favor of the Gentleman's Motion will vote 'yes'; opposed 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Please record yourselves. Anthony, Bourne, Brown, Kay, Mitchell, 09900055.docx 12  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015 Tryon. Mr. Clerk, please take the record. On this question there are 76 voting 'yes', 33 voting 'no'. And the House does concur with Senate Amendment #3 to House Bill 220. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. The Chair recognizes Mr. Costello."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. I would like to remind everybody in the chamber here, in the spirit of bipartisanship, retired State Representative Ron Stephens does a walk across the State of Illinois and sometimes even farther. I think he's walked as far as 500 miles in the past. This walk is for the Wounded Warrior Project and he walks a mile for every $100 that he is pledged. So, I would ask that any of the Members here consider pledging $100 or more to the Wounded Warrior Project. I can make sure that Representative Stephens gets those checks and he'll walk one mile for every $100. Thank you."

"Thank you, Sir. Moving to page 8 of the Calendar, Senate Bills-Third Reading. Senate Bill 226. Mr. Welch. Please read the Bill."

"Mr. Welch."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Senate Bill 226 is an initiative of one of my very active constituents who does a fantastic job in the community helping those with developmentally disabled persons and their families, Ms. Debra Vines. Ms. Vines is the CEO of The Answer Inc., a group dedicated to helping families with children and adults living with autism. Senate Bill 226 is designed to bring greater awareness to the 09900055.docx 13  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015 PUNS list and, ultimately, better utilization of that list. The PUNS list, which stands for the Prioritization and Urgency of Needs for Services, was created by the 93rd General Assembly in 2004, and it can certainly be used more effectively. There is no opposition to this Bill after working on an Amendment with DHS and other organizations and I ask for approval."

"Mr. Sandack. The Sponsor yields."

"That's a good question, Representative. This Bill, in addition to bringing awareness to the actual list, the mechanism for that is DHS and the State Board of Education will work with local school districts who will designate a person who will receive training from DHS and ISBE on what this list is and how they can make persons that qualify aware of it. Specifically, they're going to create an online training program."

"You know, I was asked that question in committee and if there is an expenditure it would be very minimal 'cause it's an online program that can be recreated by existing staff and to address any concerns that may… people may have we did put 09900055.docx 14  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015 language in the Bill to say subject to appropriation, but we should be fine."

"Thank you."

"Those in favor of the Gentleman's Bill will vote 'yes', opposed 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Ammons, Jesiel. Please take the record. There are 114 voting 'yes', 0 voting 'no'. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Senate Bill 125. Representative Feigenholtz. Please read the Bill."

"Representative Feigenholtz."

"Thank you, Chairman and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Senate Bill 125 amends the Humane Care of Animals Act. We amended it in the Senate and the Farm Bureau went from opposing to neutral. We even further amended it for clarification. This does not increase penalties. I am glad to answer any questions."

"Mr. Moffitt."

"Sponsor yields."

"Yes, Sir."

"Correct." 09900055.docx 15  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015

"Correct."

"That is correct."

"Thank you, Representative, yes."

"Representative Cassidy."

"A question for the Sponsor."

"Sponsor yields." 09900055.docx 16  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015

"Representative, our analysis describes this as a Class A felony which doesn't exist. Can you tell me what the penalty is?"

"I'm sorry. That must be… this is a misdemeanor. I don't know why our analysis says it's a felony, Representative."

"So, in your… when you presented the Bill last week it was a Class A misdemeanor, correct?"

"That is correct."

"And that doesn't change?"

"Correct."

"I have to say I like what you're trying to do. I'm concerned that we're equating this with a DUI. I mean, this is a… getting up to a year in jail might be a little extreme at a time when we're trying to be cautious about the use of criminal justice resources. I would…"

"Representative, current statute already has this as a Class A misdemeanor. This is not being changed in statute at all. So, I'm not sure what you're asking."

"Current statute for what? This is a new crime, isn't it? This exposure to extreme heat or cold causing in this injury or death is a new crime, so what is… what current statute is a Class A misdemeanor? Is this not a new offense?"

"There is clarification in Section 3.01 under cruel treatment. It further defines under the definition of abandonment, as you can see, on line 12. The misdemeanor already exists in statute. This is a further refinement of abandonment."

"Got it. Thank you, I appreciate that." 09900055.docx 17  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015

"Those in favor of the Lady's Bill will vote 'yes', opposed 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Please record yourselves. Anthony, Phillips. Mr. Anthony. Please take the record. On this question there are 104 voting 'yes', 11 voting 'no'. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. The Chair recognizes Mr. Moffitt. Mr. Moffitt?"

"Please proceed."

"Welcome. Everybody throw something in the air for Mr. Bost. Welcome, Congressman. Senate Bill 418, Mr. Turner. Please read the Bill."

"Mr. Turner."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. Senate Bill 418 amends the Energy Assistant Act and allows DCEO to spend more money on weatherization and administrative expenses for the state LIHEAP program which offers weatherization and utility assistance to low income individuals. The Bill clarifies through the Amendment that received from DCEO that any unspent funds from the previous fiscal years may be reallocated. Of the amounts reallocated, 09900055.docx 18  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015 no more than ten percent of the funds may be spent on administrative expenses. This gives us an opportunity to expand the LIHEAP program and the number of people that they can provide weatherization to. I know of no opposition and would ask for a favorable vote from the Body."

"Mr. Sandack. Sponsor yields."

"The program has been very successful and has allowed… and has had the ability to help a lot of people, close to 400,000 households in the state I'm told are served by the LIHEAP program."

"I'm not sure of an exact number, but the goal is to help as many people as possible and get the number up as high as we can."

"I guess we have to cross that bridge when we come to it, Rep."

"Those in favor of the Bill will vote 'yes'; opposed 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Switches are just where you left them, Members. Davis, Poe. Please take the record. On this question there are 115 voting 'yes', 0 voting 'no'. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. The Chair recognizes Representative Manley."

"Point of personal privilege, Speaker."

"Go right ahead."

"I would like to introduce to the House my Page for a day. She's a constituent. Her name is Rachel Martinez. She is first year at the University of Missouri, A.K.A. Mizzou, and in the gallery is her mom, Sara Martinez. Can you stand up? Thank you and welcome to Springfield. She wants to be a lawyer."

"Welcome. Well, we'll talk to her about that. Welcome. Thanks for being here with us today. Senate Bill 437. Mr. Mitchell. Please read the Bill."

"Mr. Mitchell.: Mitchell, C.: "Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This is in some ways kind of an operational cleanup Bill for something that our investment funds are already doing. We have emerging manager programs for all of our investment funds and what this Bill would say is in so far is you have an emerging manager who has been managing money for several years, who's done extremely well, who's now graduated from that program and 09900055.docx 20  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015 wants to manage as a, effectively, a prime vendor that they would not have to go back through the RFP process given their relationship with the funds. Some of our funds are doing this already. This codifies an existing practice. It’s a good Bill. I ask for an 'aye' vote."

"Mr. Zalewski."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise in strong support of the Gentleman's Bill. To those concerned about the RFP process here, just know that this is an instance where we need Illinois companies to do good under existing Illinois law. So, if we want funds to invest in Illinois companies, if we want them to grow and achieve the next level in this market we need to vote for this Bill. I'd ask for an 'aye' vote."

"Mr. Sandack."

"Sponsor yields."

"Representative Ives."

"Sponsor yields."

"Mr. Franks."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"Sponsor yields."

"Representative, I understand what you're trying to do, and understand the money and the amounts." Mitchell, C.: "Thank you for understanding what I'm trying to do, Representative. I appreciate that."

"I do. It's a big help. My question is, are there any other times that we don't request a formal RFP when we're doing things for state bidding on investments?" Mitchell, C.: "So, I believe the answer to that question is yes. Let me see if I can get from staff any specific instances."

"Okay." Mitchell, C.: "So, part of the nuance here that I think the last Gentlewoman doesn't understand 'cause she's never managed a fund is that what we're talking is folks who actually already have a relationship with the funds. So, they've been managing the fund's money for three, four years, they've done an exceptional job. And what they’re saying is, look, rather than put these people back through the loop where you have a situation where you've got businesses that might have more assets under management giving them economies of scale or might have more years of experience or years in existence. We know these folks do good work, they’re right here in the State of Illinois, they're doing good business with Illinois companies. We want to make sure that they can stay and continue to manage our assets." 09900055.docx 26  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015

"Is there any requirements of a minimum return or something? What is it… how do we define they're doing a good job? Mitchell, C.: "Yeah, so now we're kind of getting into their investment policy which, you know, for TRS is like 600 pages long and other places, but there is a set of criteria. The board reviews those sort of things kind of year over year and if you end up not doing well, you end up on a watch list and after a couple years you get phased out assuming you're not meeting the rate of return benchmark for say your asset class."

"So, this wouldn't be available to people who are on a watch list for instance?" Mitchell, C.: "That's correct. This is only available for folks who are doing a good job, doing the right thing, and who have managed our money well."

"And it's my understanding that there are other institutions… some of our pension funds are already doing this and you're trying to codify this existing practice?" Mitchell, C.: "That's correct. So, most of the funds think that they're fine doing this, they believe they're fine doing this. There's one that kind of had a question, so to fulfill all righteousness the idea was make sure the language is codified in statute."

"Okay. I understand what you’re trying to do. I was concerned with the RFP process as well, but I think you've answered the questions very well. So, thank you." Mitchell, C.: "Thank you, Representative."

"Mr. Harris." 09900055.docx 27  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015 Harris, D.: "Thank you, Mr. Speaker. A question of the Sponsor."

"Sponsor yields." Harris, D.: "Representative, as you know, we’ve had some lengthy discussions in the House Revenue & Finance Committee over management fees and the issue of emerging managers has come up in that, so I understand what an emerging investment manager is. Just for clarity, a report is given to the Governor by all the systems at the end of a year on their emerging investment managers, who they are, how they perform, and that's stated in the record every year, correct?" Mitchell, C.: "That's correct, Representative." Harris, D.: "All right. So, help me understand though… let's say I'm an emerging manager. I get 10, 15, 20 million dollars to manage from a fund. As I read the Bill, what you're now saying is that if I take part of the investment funds that I have under my control to invest, if I place part of that with a manager of managers. In other words, another entity which takes funds from all different managers that that then is exempt from the Procurement Code? Am I under…" Mitchell, C.: "I don't think that's… that's not inherently correct. So, manager of mana… so, sometimes depending on the fund and we heard how diverse our funds are in the Revenue Committee. For some folks, rather than investing directly with emerging managers to kind of mitigate risk, especially if they don't have in-house staff. For example, one of the systems was noting they entirely used manager of managers. Some of those folks choose to use managers of managers to fulfill their emerging market requirements. And so, in that case, that money would be passed through, but again, what 09900055.docx 28  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015 would be happening here, Representative, would not be that manager of managers coming back to the systems and saying we've quote unquote graduated. It would be one of those emerging managers under that program who has reached a certain threshold would then want to move into being a… I'm saying prime contractor, that's not quite the right word, but you get my point." Harris, D.: "No, I understand. And once they have… if they're a successful minority emerging manager they can move up and they can get into the larger…" Mitchell, C.: "Correct, so it's almost like going from being a subcontractor to a prime." Harris, D.: "…but my question is why are we excluding or adding an exemption to the procurement requirements for contracts that an emerging manager might use with a manager of managers? I'm not sure I follow that." Mitchell, C.: "Yeah. So, what it is, effectively… so when you talk about the criteria used for selecting an investment manager, generally, what you'll see is a situation where assets under management because it sort of gives you an economy of scale, matters and gets you points. You'll see situations where you have to be established as like a prime money manager for a number of years. That also gives you points. So, you're looking at places like New York and California that have a highly evolved financial sector that might actually compete and potentially take some of those away. So, what we're saying is the firms have a relationship, we know that they’re running the money well, so what we want to make sure is that our Chicago-based emerging businesses 09900055.docx 29  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015 continue to have a leg up and have a shot and so, this would say we have an established relationship. Let's just advance you up through our process." Harris, D.: "Okay. I follow what you said. Staff just whispered in my ear some additional clarification so that was helpful. I appreciate your answer. I still have a concern about the exemption from the procurement process, but your answers were helpful. Thank you."

"Mr. Bradley."

"Question of the Sponsor."

"Sponsor yields."

"Representative, you've had the opportunity to participate in hearings regarding the investment manager fees in the State of Illinois?" Mitchell, C.: "Yes, Sir."

"And the state has five pension funds, correct?" Mitchell, C.: "That's correct, Sir."

"And there is over $80 billion in those pension funds?" Mitchell, C.: "I believe that number's correct."

"And that $80 billion that's in those pension funds, they currently use investment managers correct?" Mitchell, C.: "That's correct."

"What are the yearly fees that the State of Illinois is paying to outside investment managers pursuant to the information you've gathered?" Mitchell, C.: "I believe that number's about $500 million."

"Five hundred million dollars a year…" Mitchell, C.: "Yes, Sir." 09900055.docx 30  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015

"…being paid to outside investment managers? And you're trying, simply, to ensure that a program that's already in effect is properly utilized with regards to that $500 million of outside fees being paid to outside investment managers, correct?" Mitchell, C.: "I'd like to see some of that money stay in Illinois, Representative."

"To the Bill. We should support this bill and we should support the effort that Representative Mitchell is undertaking here."

"Representative Nekritz."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. To the Bill. I think there's been some… I would like to try… some clarity to this discussion today. Let's just say, for example, the pension… the Teacher's Retirement System is currently contracting with Mesirow or maybe GTCR. If the pension fund wants to give one of those companies an additional $100 million to invest they can do that without going to an RFP. They have an established relationship with those companies that can just simply give them more of their dollars to invest. What the Representative's Bill is doing is saying that that same rule applies to the emerging managers. They're doing a good job, the pension systems are happy with the investment returns that they're getting. They'd like to get them some more money, and they can simply give them that additional money, but when they transition from being an emerging manager to exceeding the dollar limits, they don't have to go back to through an RFP process and compete against the Mesirows and the GTCRs of the world. They can continue to sort of… to operate with the 09900055.docx 31  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015 relationships that the pension systems have with them already and they're happy with. This is simply a clarification. There's only one of the pension systems that thinks that there's a problem as the Sponsor has said. Again, I think this is just a matter of fairness between the emerging managers and the great big players that are out there. Thank you and I urge an 'aye' vote."

"Representative Flowers."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. To the Bill. I would like to join in the support of Senate Bill 437. Senate Bill 437 is, as the analysis says, is simplifying the process for pension funds to hire emerging investment managers which happen to be minority women, disabled people, and minorities in order to get into the pension business. There's enough to go around, and it's only fair that this type of pension service is spread all around to create jobs for people such as myself that invests into the pension. And if there's some people out there that want to become emerging managers, it should be simplified so they can do so. They have to follow the same protocol and the same rules and the same educational qualification. I urge an 'aye' vote. Thank you."

"Mr. Morrison."

"Mr. D'Amico would like to yield his time to Mr. Zalewski."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. To that last point. I have all due respect for the Sponsor… or for that last speaker, but make no mistake about what that comment just was. You are putting arcane, non-real concerns about RFPs and the qualifications of the managers above Illinois businesses who wish to take care of Illinoisans' money. That's what this Bill is about. If you vote 'no', you vote to put money in the hands of New York and California investment bankers. So, that's fine. You can vote 'no', but don't make this about whether it's in the best interest of RFPs or the qualifications of the managers we're talking about here. That's what the Bill is about. It's about qualified managers getting a chance. Vote 'yes'."

"Representative Ammons."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. To the Bill. I rise in support of this House Bill and I've listened to the comments of some of our colleagues on this matter. I just wanted to point out just for the record that representation of African Americans and Hispanics in the investment banking community remains miniscule. One to two percent, maybe, is represented in this industry, and so I think this Bill does two things. It 09900055.docx 33  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015 reclaims money that really should be kept in Illinois and it opens up opportunity beyond the one to two percent for minority firms in investment banking and pension funds. So, if there was ever a time and I've seen many Bills passed that either raised or lowered the requirement for an RFP, certainly, this is one that we should stand together on to make sure that we move the dial for these companies, Hispanic and African-American companies, that only represent one to two percent being generous. And so, I think we should certainly stand in support of this and the board should be flashing green for this Bill. Thank you so much."

"Mr. Cabello."

"Mr. Sandack."

"Sponsor yields."

"Mr. Mitchell to close." Mitchell, C.: "Thank you. We've had a lively debate on this. I just want to note that to do the Gentleman is calling for would actually call for us to violate the Constitution as it relates to special legislation. So, we literally can't do what the Gentleman asks for. This is a simple Bill. It's basically a cleanup Bill that is in response to the concern of a single system that wanted to make sure that the practice that they believe they should be doing can continue going forward. These are folks who are already qualified and have been qualified by an RFP process. What we are doing with this Bill is bringing parity between our emerging managers who are trying to get on their feet and establish great companies and some of the big boys who are out there and have been doing this for a long time who have structural advantages in New 09900055.docx 37  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015 York and California. This is a good Bill. Everyone should be voting 'yes'."

"Those in favor of the Gentleman's Bill will vote 'yes'; opposed 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Drury, Franks, Thapedi, Wallace. Mr. Clerk, please take the record. On this question… on this question there are 48 voting 'yes', 65 voting 'no' and the Gentleman asks to be… to have this Bill placed on the Order of Postponed Consideration, Mr. Clerk. Senate Bill 509, Mr. Cabello. Please read the Bill."

"Mr. Cabello."

"Those in favor of the Gentleman's Bill will vote 'yes'; opposed 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Batinick, Phillips, Tabares, Wallace. Please record yourselves. Tabares, Wallace. Please take the record. On this question there are 113 voting 'yes', 0 voting 'no'. And this 09900055.docx 38  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015 Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Senate Bill 547. Mr. Thapedi. Please read the Bill."

"Mr. Thapedi."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Senate Bill 547 closes a loophole in the law relative to excavation projects in Home Rule municipalities with populations in excess of 1 million people. Current Illinois law requires that 48 hours prior to beginning an excavation project of any size or of any depth the excavator or digger must first make a safety call to the Joint Utility Locating Information for Excavators also known by its acronym, JULIE. Senate Bill 547 closes this loophole by allowing mega municipalities to regulate underground utility damage within its borders and levy fines where appropriate. With respect to legislative intent, the Bill contemplates that an alleged violator would only be subject to one fine. Additionally, when the City of Chicago develops its enforcement plan it must enforce violations uniformly among all underground utilities including the city departments of water and sewer. There is no opposition. I ask for green votes and I'm available to answer any and all questions."

"Mr. Phelps."

"Sponsor yield?"

"Sponsor yields."

"Hey, Andre, I'm not opposed to this Bill at all, but if you can do us all a favor and we'd really appreciate it. Tell 09900055.docx 39  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015 Chicago if you can help them out and make sure that their digger program meets federal standards…"

"Yeah."

"…because they have not done that yet and what I'm worried is that's going to hurt the programs we have down south called JULIE. And then, you know, if you have a dig in with the federal standards I think it's $200 thousand that it costs for that. So, if you could relay that message to Chicago please try to meet that federal standard with their digger program."

"And you're referring to FARMSA, correct?"

"I'm sorry?"

"I think it's called FARMSA, correct?"

"Right."

"And I'm talking about the federal regulation that you're referring to… no, absolutely…"

"Yeah, they need to and the DEER program in Chicago has not met the federal standard."

"Absolutely and I can tell you this, Mr. Phelps, that as far as the negotiating aspect of the Bill, the City of Chicago is willing to work with all interested parties because enforcement is the key. Enforcement is a real challenge. The City of Chicago recognizes that and they're going to take the appropriate roles and the appropriate measures to make sure that those are done appropriately and consistently as you're speaking with JULIE and FARMSA as well."

"Well Andre, like I said, I trust you. You're a great guy. I appreciate it. We just don't want a federal takeover. That's what we don't want." 09900055.docx 40  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015

"Understood."

"Thank you."

"Mr. Sullivan."

"Sponsor yields."

"Eddie, I hear you loud and clear. I heard Brandon loud and clear. The City's listening. They hear you loud and clear. It's going to get done."

"Those in favor of the Bill will vote 'yes'; opposed 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Please take the record, Mr. Clerk. On this question there are 113 voting 09900055.docx 41  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015 'yes', 0 voting 'no', 1 voting 'present'. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Senate Bill 626, Mr. Turner. Please read the Bill."

"Mr. Turner."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. Senate Bill 626 is an Agreed Bill between the rental car industry and the insurance industry. The rental car industry would like to introduce a new line of rental vehicles that cater to the needs of a wide variety of businesses and private individuals by offering specialty vehicles at selected locations. These vehicles are more expensive than anything currently found in the rental car fleets; however, the current laws of Illinois do not such special vehicle rentals to be feasible. The rental car industry and the insurance industry have agreed to language that makes this high end vehicle rental possible. Taxes and fees that are currently applied to vehicle rentals would also apply to these specialty rentals. What does the Bill do specifically? The Bill divides vehicle rental in to two classes: those vehicles with the MSRP below 50,000 and with the MSRP above 50 thousand. All laws and taxes concerning rental vehicles below 50 thousand continue and are not changed. In the new class of rental vehicle above 50 thousand, three changes are made. Statutory cap of 1,350 for a collision damage waiver which is the insurance you buy from the rental company is removed. The statutory limit on damages paid by the renter's personal insurance company is raised 09900055.docx 42  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015 from 16,5 to 40,000 in 2016 with annual adjustments thereafter. And the statutory limit in the event of theft paid by a renter's personal insurance company is raised from 2 to 40,000 in 2016 with annual adjustments thereafter. The 50 thousand dividing line, currently, one vehicle rental company has a fleet of 25 thousand cars in the metro Chicago area. Not a single vehicle in that fleet exceeds an MSRP of 50 thousand. In fact, 98 percent of the fleet is under 40 thousand. The average price of a car in the fleet is 20 thousand. Since no current vehicle in the fleet costs more than $50 thousand that's what we came up with, that dividing line. I'd be happy to answer any further questions and ask for a favorable vote from the Body."

"The Sponsor yields to Mr. Sandack."

"Right."

"Yes it is and I can give you some details on that, Ron. On October 1, 2016, for the next three years, the amount will increase 2,500 above the prior year's maximum and on October 1, 2020 and for each year after, the maximum amount will be increased a thousand dollars."

"Not that I know of. No, I don't think so, Representative."

"Sure." 09900055.docx 43  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015

"I'd be happy to follow up with that. Thank you, Representative."

"Those in favor of the Bill will vote 'yes'; opposed 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Please record yourselves. Gordon-Booth, Moffitt. Please take the record. There are 78 voting 'yes', 36 voting 'no'. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. The Chair recognizes Representative Ford."

"Mr. Speaker, for the record, Senate Bill 509, I voted 'aye'. Please let the record reflect that I intended to vote 'no'."

"The record will reflect your intentions, Sir."

"Thank you."

"Senate Bill 627. Mr. D'Amico. Please read the Bill."

"Mr. D'Amico."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Senate Bill 627, basically, expands the use of a BAIID device requiring the use by more DUI offenders if they are issued a restricted driving permit. I'll be free to answer any questions." 09900055.docx 44  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015

"Mr. Sandack."

"Sponsor yields."

"Yeah, I mean, one of the other parts of the Bill that we're doing too is when the arresting officer would pull over somebody for a DUI they would read them the warning and what was happening is when they would go to court the people would deny that this warning was read. So, this warning signature is being put on the ticket itself. So, that takes away one of the defenses that the attorneys were making. And basically, what it does is for first offenders, you're going to have to choose whether you want to drive or whether you want to sit out. If you want to drive, you have to put the BAIID device in your car. If you want to sit out depending on what happened, you either sit out for 6 months or 12 months for first offenders. Second offenders will have to have it automatically."

"Yes."

"No."

"Those in favor of the Bill will vote 'yes'; opposed 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all 09900055.docx 45  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015 voted who wish? Please take the record. 115 voting 'yes'; 0 voting 'no'. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Senate Bill 653. Representative Mussman. Please read the Bill."

"Representative Mussman."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. Senate Bill 653 is an Agreed Bill with DCFS and AFSCME. There is no opposition. It requires DCFS to create a training academy to improve and modernize the introductory training module required of all frontline investigators and supervisors. The training will include mock training facilities such as houses, medical facilities, court rooms, et cetera. which models the simulated interactive training successfully being utilized by our children's advocacy centers, and which will also focus on enhancing cultural competency to provide tools and supports to ensure that child welfare workers' response to an engagement with families and children of color are conducted in a manner that is responsive and respective to the beliefs, attitudes, languages, behaviors of the families receiving the services. It is subject to appropriation. There is no increased costs from implementation and this is an important step to improving and retaining effective DCFS staff. Thank you."

"Representative Flowers."

"Representative, how do you define cultural competency… and who will be teaching this cultural competency?" 09900055.docx 46  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015

"So, that is not defined in the Bill. It is up to DCFS to determine what methodology they're going to use to have the trainers. Right now the training, I believe, is provided inhouse. I think that they are partnering with the university to study how they want to put together their curriculum."

"Let me ask you this. Has the department ever tried a program like this before?"

"Well, they already have a training that has existed for decades. They're modeling it on existing training already being utilized by the children's advocacy centers. They have not tried this before, but it is something that they've been moving toward for quite some time."

"But you just said that they do have something similar in place…"

"Well, they…"

"…and they have had it for decades…"

"They already have a…"

"…and we also know for decades what they have has not been working, so we're going to try it again."

"Well, we're going to try something new now. That's the problem."

"Now, what are we going to do different here? Did you not have the cultural competency in the first program that you've had for decades?"

"I don't… I can't speak for the program that they've had. I've obviously not been through the training. I think I would argue that maybe the cultural competency was not a strong enough component. And remember one of the biggest differences, as we’ve talked about in committee, is that this 09900055.docx 47  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015 is going to be interactive. It's not going to be just in a classroom any longer. They're actually going to have to practice going into a house or going into a courtroom and interacting with families which they haven't had a chance to do before and I think that's not been as effective for a training module."

"So… but there's many moving parts and pieces to the department. It's not only what happens in the courtroom. It's not only what happens in the streets. As far as the hiring is concerned… who does the hiring? And I remember in committee you stated that there was an exit review. As to the people that were leaving, did they not tell you what the problem was as to the reason why they were leaving DCFS because of the incompetency of the progress or the work that was going within that department?"

"I think…"

"Did they not tell you that they were overworked? Are you not hiring more people? Are you not giving them better, up-to-date equipment to work with, so they will have the opportunity to focus more on the children? And more importantly, are they still able to work… or go to school fulltime while they should be working and taking care of the people in which they are contracted to serve? And what about the people that DCFS contracts with? Who's going to train them?"

"So, third party contractors are allowed to participate in this training, although it is not mandated as part of this Bill. This Bill has nothing to do with or does not cause any of the DCFS trainees to take independent other classes. That… 09900055.docx 48  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015 that's nothing covered in this Bill and I believe someone had told me that was an exercise that had ended a number of years ago. It does not cause increased staffing. There's nothing in this Bill to do that. I agree that DCFS has many, many problems that do need to be addressed. They are not all going to be answered in this Bill. This Bill is one step forward in making sure that the six weeks of introductory training they do have is better and more effective and that is one of the things that was cited by a number of people who had chosen to leave their positions in DCFS, as they felt that they were not being successful because they had not been properly trained for the environments in which they were being placed."

"So, explain to me again about the cultural competency. Who, in DCFS, will be teaching the cultural competency? And who…"

"That is not specified in this Bill. It is up to DCFS to make those decisions within the rule-making process."

"Well, to the Bill. Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, DCFS has had a lot of problems and I guarantee you that this particular legislation that's calling for an academy for the training of DCFS workers… If you do not have people that's already trained when they come out of the schools, when they should know what type of jobs that they're going in to, I don't think any type of training program that you're going to have within the department… that's the department teaching itself how to do what it's been doing which has not been successful. So, I think what you really need to do is take this Bill out of the record because it’s giving a false sense of protection that it’s doing something 09900055.docx 49  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015 for the children. You’re not talking about the contractors out there who have allowed these children to leave these centers unattended. You’re not talking about the case workers that's making sure that the children have all the necessary tools that they need in order to be… their families to become whole. You're not talking about the programs like the Intact Family that should be utilized to keep children from coming into DCFS, making them wards of the state in the first place. You're not talking about helping the family. When you're talking about cultural sensitivity I would like to know what the definition is because there's lots of impediments to a family losing their children and not necessarily because they're bad parents. They just happen to be poor, they just happen to need some help and this Bill is not talking about that. You're talking about training some people that should not have their jobs because to me… well, thank you very much. I appreciate you. And I will not be supporting your Bill, but I understand what it is that you’re trying to do, but I've seen it before. I've been to this party before. Thank you."

"Mr. Sandack. The Sponsor yields."

"So, DCFS is always allotted a line for training because it has always needed to train its frontline staff. I do not know what that individual line item is or if it is lumped into a lump sum that DCFS would be receiving, but they have not intentionally received an individual line item that would 09900055.docx 50  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015 support this particular initiative. They will simply work it into whatever budget they already have."

"I am not aware of that, no. They already receive a training stipend. If possible within the budget they would continue to receive money to complete their training again this year, but there is not extra money put in specifically to address this new training variety."

"Representative Wallace."

"Thank you, Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"Sponsor yields." 09900055.docx 51  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015

"Representative Mussman, to echo some of the thoughts that have already been put forward. I guess I'm trying to understand how specifically will the curriculum be written and then how… since DCFS already has appropriated funds for training how will they execute this training?"

"So, the Bill does not specify how the curriculum will be written. They've already been partnering with the university to develop a modified curriculum. They will develop that curriculum within the rules process. It is not laid out within the legislation. And I'm sorry, could you repeat the second part of your question?"

"So, you're saying that this is subject to appropriation and they already have dollars for training?"

"Right."

"Okay."

"So, they already have six weeks of training that is the introductory course that all their frontline workers go through. So they would like to slowly use whatever existing funds they have to migrate into doing this newer model with more simulations as they are able to do that within the realm of whatever allocation we give them. So, they have been pursuing this for a number of years. They are committed to following through on this, but we would like to put a little teeth behind and make sure that they do stick with this plan. We think it is very important. We think it is a disservice to our families and to our workers that they have not been trained, I think, as well as we know now we are capable of training them or that they should be trained. And, again, this is not helping the families and it's not saving the state 09900055.docx 52  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015 money. When we have a high turnover, we lose a good $10,000 per employee having to have them replaced and retrained. So, it's in our financial better interest to make sure the employees that we do have are trained well and they’re acting successfully."

"Thank you. To the Bill. Winnebago County, outside of Cook County, has the largest number of children who have had phone calls and then their families indicated in those phone calls who've since been taken into custody. I rise in support of the Bill with the hope that those who are developing the cultural competency curriculum will be taking cues from Northern Illinois University who's done extensive research in the area of implicit racial bias. We need to start to look at the historical context of families, what their beliefs and attitudes and behaviors are within the broader scope of things. And then hopefully this training will allow new case workers to challenge their own mainstream thinking about what normal and what a normal family looks like so that they can investigate these particular cases without all of the biases that they bring into the room. And hopefully that will lead to fewer indications, fewer removal of… you know, we’ll reduce the number of children who are removed from the homes based on socioeconomic stereotypes, racial stereotypes, any other form of stereotypes that may exist about certain families. I am urging every single Member within this Body who also represents a portion of Winnebago County to vote 'yes' for this Bill because the children in our county especially and specifically have been… their case workers and their families have pleaded for this type of training. So, again, every 09900055.docx 53  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015 single Member from Winnebago County I'm asking for an 'aye' vote on this particular Bill. Thank you."

"Representative Gabel."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. To the Bill. So, I rise in strong of this Bill. It came through the committee and I believe most of the people voted for it in committee. This is… we have had a lot of problems with DCFS in the past and I don't want people to think that just because DCFS has problems this is a bad Bill. This is a Bill that really tries to set up a training academy where we are going to train the people who work in DCFS to do a better job. I think this is an important Bill. As we all know, if you’re taught to do better you will be able to do a better job and really be able to work with the children who are in DCFS. This training academy will be doing mock kind of work, so people can have the experience of actually going to a home and seeing what it's like to work under a lot of pressure. So, I really encourage everyone to vote 'yes' for this Bill. I think it's a good Bill and I think it will improve the department and improve the care that they give to our children."

"Representative Mussman to close."

"I want to thank everyone who spoke today. I know there are many concerns about DCFS and how we can do a better job protecting our families. I also want to thank the Members of the committee. I know that we had a very spirited debate on both occasions and I do want to point out that it did pass in a bipartisan fashion on leave. So, I think that this is a good proposal for all of our districts and I would appreciate an 'aye' vote." 09900055.docx 54  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015

"Those in favor of the Bill will vote 'yes', opposed 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Andersson, Durkin, Sullivan, Tryon, Verschoore. Please take the record. There are 97 voting 'yes', 18 voting 'no'. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Senate Bill 661. Mr. McAuliffe. Please read the Bill."

"Mr. McAuliffe."

"Mr. Thapedi."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"Sponsor yields."

"Mike, I just have a couple of questions for you with respect to legislative intent and my first three questions are going to be foundation based. So, this Bill is based upon CDC guidelines that recommend screening for Hepatitis C. Is that correct?"

"All right. And then the CDC drafts guidelines on a number of serious diseases, afflictions, and conditions, correct?"

"Okay. What is the process the CDC follows when crafting its guidelines?"

"Can someone tell you so that we can make it part of the record, so that we have some legislative intent on that?"

"Understood, understood. But you don't know what the process is that the CDC follows when it’s formulating its guidelines, correct?"

"It's a part of the standard of care?"

"What is the standard of care?"

"So, that's the standard of care for what type of physician?"

"You said that that is the standard of care. My question is what type of physician, what specialty, is that the standard of care for?" 09900055.docx 56  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015

"For primary care physicians?"

"Primary care physicians only?"

"So, if you’re a liver specialist, that's not the standard of care for you in your practice?"

"Mike, do you know how many guidelines have been issued by the CDC this year?"

"Do you know how many guidelines have been issued by the CDC period?"

"Now, CDC guidelines are recommendations meant to be used as a clinical tool for physicians and other health care professionals, correct?"

"And would you agree that CDC guidelines are not written with the intent that they be mandated into law?"

"I certainly understand that, but isn't it true that of the thousands of CDC guidelines that you mentioned and I think 09900055.docx 57  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015 that you brought up the figure of 7,500 that very few of them are actually mandated into law, correct?"

"And do you know which ones are mandated into law right now? Strike that. Here's a better question. Isn't it true that the only mandates are for HIV testing for pregnant women and post-partum workup for newborns? That's it."

"Mike, how does a physician rule out whether or not a patient has Hepatitis C?"

"That's the only way that they can rule it out?"

"And that is a mandate, correct?"

"Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Speaker."

"Mr. Burke." Burke, D.: "Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen. I rise to support this initiative, Senate Bill 661. The primary argument against this Bill is that the Medical Society simply doesn't like mandates and the passage of this Bill would create what they would describe as a slippery slope. I understand that we need to let physicians do their job and that the General Assembly should not be getting in the middle of all CDC recommendations, but this case is different. 09900055.docx 58  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015 Offering screenings is already the standard of care. The medical community agrees with this. The CDC agrees with this. While our doctors are an invaluable asset to our communities they have failed us related to Hepatitis C screening. This is something the medical society has admitted during negotiations. This is also something that data shows us to be true. As evidence, a simple and inexpensive screening, a $20 finger prick blood test, has been used for 25 years and it's nearly 100 percent effective. Yet, 75 percent of the population infected do not know they have this disease. This is unacceptable. We know who needs to be screened, the population who have been born between 1945 and 1965, my contemporaries. For the most part, those who served in Vietnam who were given inoculations, injections, may have stood in line with two hundred of their contemporaries injected with the same needle, subjected to Hepatitis C, unwittingly, no fault of their own who may have in later years suffered liver cancer like Mike McAuliffe's father-in-law. How dare we ignore the opportunity to screen the population, to afford a cure. How often do you hear somebody get on this floor and say there's a cure for a disease that has been killing people for a number of years. How dare we ignore the chance to save individuals in our society. It might be a member of your family. It might be somebody you know. How dare we ignore the opportunity to afford people to be diagnosed and cured today. Ladies and Gentlemen, please make this a conscionable decision. It's not because of Mike McAuliffe's father-in-law, it's not because of individuals we may know. It's about our society. I think it's our duty, our responsibility to do the 09900055.docx 59  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015 right thing and vote in favor of this Bill. Thank you so much for your attention."

"Mr. Ford."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise in full support of the Gentleman's legislation. As long as I've been down here, I've seen people present legislation that they believe in, but I have never seen anyone present legislation that they truly believe in like the Sponsor today. And so, looking at the proponents and opponents it has given me a clear-cut decision on whether or not I'm going to support this legislation. So because of the Sponsor and the work that he's done on this type of issue since I've been here I rise in full support of Senate Bill 661 and I thank the Sponsor for being diligent in his efforts."

"Mr. Harris." Harris, D.: "Thank you, Mr. Speaker. A question of the Sponsor, please."

"Sponsor yields." Harris, D.: "Representative, looking at the proponents and the opponents, it seems that most of the opponents are physician organizations or doctor organizations. Is that correct?"

"Representative Mayfield."

"Thank you. To the Bill. I rise in strong support of Senate Bill 661. I further rise to urge you to support this important legislation which will enable Illinois to fight the silent epidemic of Hepatitis C. Hepatitis C is responsible for 44… I'm sorry, for 34 billion in annual costs nationally. If left undetected and untreated, Hepatitis C can lead to cancer, spread the disease to others, liver failure, and death. In fact, Hepatitis C is now responsible for more deaths than HIV. You heard that 1 in 5 Vietnam veterans are infected, but did you know that African Americans are infected at over twice the national average? About 30 percent with HIV and AIDS are also infected with HIV. In Chicago alone, 52 percent of those infected are African American. For 25 years, tests have been available to detect Hepatitis C, but unfortunately, 3 of 4 people infected do not know their status. Clearly, the system has failed. This Bill will serve as a vehicle to help people know their status and receive lifesaving treatment before it is too late. Knowledge can be power. I urge you to empower the citizens of Illinois with that knowledge by voting 'yes' on Senate Bill 661. Some say that we should not require health practitioners to do this. I say we are in an epidemic and we must make changes. When thousands of people are infected in Illinois and do not know, we must make a change. When 20 percent of our Vietnam veterans are infected, we must make a change. When African Americans are infected at a high rate, we have to make a change. When there are multiple cures 09900055.docx 62  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015 available… when there are cures available that cure up to 99 percent of the patients not only do I say why not do this, I say we must do this. I'm asking that we no longer keep Illinois in the dark, that we go on the road to where we're actually saving money and that everyone in this chamber vote 'yes' for Senate Bill 661. Thank you."

"Mr. Fortner."

"Sponsor yields."

"Mr. Dunkin."

"Thank you. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"Sponsor yields."

"Representative, I'm looking at your opponents. Is Blue Cross Blue Shield… are they still an opponent?"

"They're neutral. Okay. And… just out of curiosity, why is the Illinois State Medical Society against the Bill?"

"Okay. Thank you. To the Bill. Ladies and Gentlemen, I stand in strong support of this legislation. This is a new phenomenon of having a drug… actually, having a cure for legislation to help a specific, designated population that was born between, you know, pretty much the Baby Boomers from 1945 to 1965. It makes a big difference when we have a cure, a drug that can actually help its patients and have little to no side effects. That's almost unusual. Seventy-five percent of this population don’t even know that they have Hepatitis C. Here we are in 2015 and we're still talking about a population or people who are isolated based off of mistakes from physicians or hospitals. I think this is great legislation. It does what it's supposed to do and that is to 09900055.docx 65  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015 really reduce or cut down significantly those individuals who are impacted negatively as it relates to Hepatitis C. Hepatitis C, not only is it curable, but if it's not curable you can die from it. So, this is a part of the solution. I urge strong support, and FYI, the AIDS Foundation of Chicago supports this legislation, the Illinois African American Coalition, American Nurses Association of Illinois, the American Liver Foundation of the Great Lakes Division of Illinois, Society of Advanced Practical Nurses. This is the type of legislation that our state should be really advocating and pushing for. I'm proud of the Sponsor for making this a part of our conscience raising as it relates to health care. I would encourage my colleagues to do an 'aye' vote. Thank you."

"Mr. Franks."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"Sponsor yields."

"Representative, I'm trying to understand this Bill. Can you tell me exactly what it's mandating?"

"Can't they do that now without requiring a law?"

"Are we mandating physicians to offer tests on anything else or is this a one off 'cause I've never heard of this before, requiring physicians to offer something?"

"Where's the Med Society on this?"

"Okay. That's… I understand what you're trying to do. My concern though is getting involved with the patient/doctor relationship. Would it make more sense if we simply required additional education by the doctors and have them become more knowledgeable on this instead of simply requiring them to ask for this test?"

"Well, the fiscal note that I looked at indicated that it would cost approximately $8.5 million a year. And I'm wondering 'cause Mr. Sandack was asking on the last Bill, subject to appropriation, et cetera. How would you intend on paying this additional $8.5 million per year should this be passed?"

"Well, isn't it… don't Medicaid beneficiaries already receive comprehensive Hepatitis C screenings?"

"It's already done. Here's my concern. I'm worried that we're going to start doing more defensive medicine. And you talk about the costs to consumers when doctors are ordering tests that may or may not be necessary, but they do because they're worried they might get sued. And if we have a mandate doing this and a doctor doesn't order the test it could open the doctor up, quite frankly, to some liability. So, by doing 09900055.docx 68  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015 this, I think what you're going to see is a huge amount of testing, whether it's necessary or not, simply because then the doctor won't open herself up to liability."

"I get that. And… I think everyone's going to be tested whether they need to or not simply because the doctor doesn't want to get sued. So, my point is, how are we going to pay for it? I'm saying…"

"I'm not saying it's a bad idea, but if it's going to cost an extra 8 million or 8.5 million or whatever it is a year regardless of what the savings could be if we didn't do it. I understand your argument. How are we going to pay for it?"

"Mr. Franks, can you bring your remarks to a close, Sir?"

"Okay. I appreciate what you're trying to do. I'm very concerned about the fiscal impact especially at a time when we're going to be voting on the budget soon, today and tomorrow. And it's hard to keep adding more and more programs and we can't even pay for what we have. So, no matter how well-intentioned it might be, we need to have a plan to be able to pay for it and that's my concern."

"Representative Gabel." 09900055.docx 69  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. To the Bill. So, I rise in strong support of this Bill and I want to just look at a couple of the issues that the Med Society has brought up. One of them is that, well, there's a lack of treatment. Not everybody can get treated once they get tested and this is really a very false reason. Even if they can't get the treatment they can still be counseled by their doctor to be able to not spread the disease and also they can change their lifestyle and protect themselves from the disease continuing. Another reason that the Med Society has given is that it will increase liability and the last speaker spoke to that, and that is absolutely not true. Liability has nothing to do with the Bills that we pass here today. I know that that may hurt our feelings, but it's true. Liability is based on the standard of care. This is already the standard of care. They are already liable if they don't offer this test. And then it was also raised, well, don't people know and people don't know. This is a disease that's a silent, silent killer and everybody between the ages of 1945 to 1965, in that age group, this is where 80 percent of the cases of Hepatitis C are. And I will tell you my cousin was identified as being positive for Hepatitis C and she had no idea she had it, no idea, and it was found by an accident by them doing a test for life insurance. Her doctors would have never tested her for this. So, I think that just by offering the test it allows people to think about their histories and think if there was anything in their history that would make them want to be able to have this test. I think this is a very… what I would say mild legislation. This is offering the test. This is not requiring 09900055.docx 70  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015 testing, this is not making anybody do a test. This test is covered by people's insurance. There is no cost to the state and I urge an 'aye' vote. This test can save people's lives. Thank you."

"Mr. Guzzardi."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. To the Bill. Just to address a point that the Gentleman from McHenry County raised in his remarks about the cost of this. There's a reason why this is being targeted at a specific cohort, from 1945 to 1965, it's because after extensive research into the prevention and treatment of Hepatitis C it’s been shown that testing that cohort specifically produces not only a better medical result, but in fact, a cost effective result that we are saving money that we would otherwise be spending on treating these folks by targeting this specific cohort and testing just them. So, obviously, there's a profoundly important medical reason to support this legislation, but it is also a long term cost savings to our state. To the argument that it would stir up some defensive medicine, I would say that this is an example of preventive medicine. Precisely the type of medicine that we keep advocating for at all levels in this country. I think this is a very important Bill and I urge an 'aye' vote."

"Mr. McAuliffe to close."

"Those in favor of the Gentleman's Bill will vote 'yes'; opposed 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Please record yourselves, Members. Bryant, Davis, Golar, Hammond, Thapedi, Unes. Mr. Clerk, please take the record. On this question there are 67 voting 'yes', 42 voting 'no' and 1 voting 'present'. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. The Chair recognizes Mr. Moffitt."

"Please proceed, Sir."

"On page 7 of the Calendar, under the Order of House Bills-Second Reading, there appears House Bill 4165. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"Mr. Harris on the Amendment. Ladies and Gentlemen, can we keep the noise down in the chamber?" Harris, G.: "Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This Amendment covers the appropriation for the Departments of Health Care & Family Services, the Department of Human Services, and the Department of Veteran's Affairs. Many of the major portions of this Amendment were already voted on as part of a package in House Bill 4141 several weeks ago that established priorities for this Body and things that we held to be of great value for our community: child care, early intervention, after school programming for our youth, adequately funding community-based mental health and substance abuse services. This budget understands that we need to make cuts. The numbers that are in… the numbers that are in these cuts while funding priority services such as care for the disabled, funding for respite grants, funding for the epilepsy program, restoring the Alzheimer's program and poison control program, restoring immigrant and refugee programs, restoring after school boys and girls clubs, YW and YMCA programs. It also includes $134 million worth of cuts. There $134 million worth of cuts in non Medicaid lines in 09900055.docx 73  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015 this budget because we understand that everything has to be on the table. There had to be cuts. The operations lines in all the departments are cut by four percent. The personal services lines in all the departments are cut by 2.75 percent. The individual grant lines, outside of the ones I've just mentioned, by and large are cut 2.25 percent and this is commensurate with the 2.25 percent reductions that this House voted on and the Governor signed into law for FY15. Would we like to spend more money? Yes, because these programs which provide safety and security for our children and our families are important, but we also know that we have to cut. As the Speaker has said, we cannot balance a budget simply by cutting our way out of it nor can we balance a budget simply by raising revenue. That it will take a serious effort to raise revenue and also reduce cuts… reduce expenses. This budget also includes the Medicaid program and I will stress here that one of the great concerns in this Body going forward over the last number of years was the growing cost of the Medicaid program because of the growing cost of health care not only in the State of Illinois, but across the country. But this year after our package of reductions in the Medicaid budget we are holding the Medicaid budget for FY16 flat. So, there is no growth between FY16… between FY15 and FY16 in our proposed expenditures. Again, we are reducing the rates 2.25 percent across the board, but we're doing a number of restorations from the Governor's budget as well. There are none of the cuts to rural/critical access hospitals that the Governor proposed. There are no cuts to the inner city safety net hospitals the Governor has proposed. We are restoring the 09900055.docx 74  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015 poison control center. We are restoring the supplemental rates for sick children on ventilators. We are also restoring the supplemental payments for severely mentally ill children. And to the veterans who we honored today and we honored their memory, the Department of Veteran's Affairs is included in this budget, and at the request of the department, we have merged the for-home funds and given them lump sum appropriations so that they can better manage their existing veterans homes. Plus, it also allows investment in staffing up for the new Chicago veterans home which will be opening, I believe, next year. So, Ladies and Gentlemen, we realize that we have to make cuts. We realize that we have to be sensitive. We realize we have to have priorities as we discussed before over the last 11 weeks. Both the House and the Senate have had hearings here, in Chicago, in Springfield, around the state. We've heard from literally thousands and thousands of people about the importance of the autism program, about the importance of early intervention, about the importance of child care, about the importance of preserving services to persons with disabilities and to our senior citizens and protecting our kids by giving them positive, worthwhile activities after school. All of these things are included in this budget. Ladies and Gentlemen, I would ask for an 'aye' vote."

"The Chair recognizes Mr. Davis. Mr. Davis, do you want to wait for Third Reading? Those in favor of the Amendment will say 'yes', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it and the Amendment is adopted. Mr. Clerk." 09900055.docx 75  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015

"The Chair recognizes Mr. Harris." Harris, G.: "Mr. Speaker, I would ask that… move that this note be ruled inapplicable."

"Mr. Sandack on the Motion."

"Mr. Harris to close on the Motion." Harris, G.: "I would point out to the Gentleman who just spoke that every revenue estimate from COGFA or from the Governor's Office of Management & Budget shows that the amount of monies that are expected to be appropriated in this legislation, should it pass, will be available next year. So, we are not exceeding a balanced budget requirement with this Amendment. I would ask for an 'aye' vote."

"Those in favor of the Gentleman's Motion will vote 'yes'; opposed 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Ammons, Gordon-Booth, McAuliffe. Please take the record. On this question there are 66 voting 'yes', 49 voting 'no'. The 09900055.docx 76  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015 Gentleman's Motion passes and the note is held inapplicable. Mr. Clerk."

"Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"Mr. Harris." Harris, G.: "Ladies and Gentlemen, this is the same Bill I described in Second Readings just a moment ago. It really talks about what we value. It talks about valuing and supporting our families and supporting our communities. It talks about supporting seniors and restores proposed cuts to the senior care program, the CCP. It restores cuts that were proposed to services for adults with disability. It fully funds autism and respite care. It restores the indigent burials program which had been previously eliminated in Governor's proposed budget. It flat funds the local health department distributive grants. It restores funding for after school programing in our faith based institutions, the Teen Reach Program, our Boys & Girls Clubs, the YM & YWCAs. It restores the Governor's proposed cuts to the Department of Children & Family Services. It also restores the child care program fully, so that children over the age of seven will still be able to receive child care services. Within the Medicaid program, it restores the proposed cuts to the hospitals which we heard could be debilitating to hospitals across our state. It restores the money to the tobacco quit line and it restores money to the poison control center, the Alzheimer's program, the Sickle Cell Anemia program and we 09900055.docx 77  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015 are able to do all of this through the reductions I described before that will also save the state $134 million over FY15 and hold our Medicaid budget flat. I would be happy to answer any questions."

"Leader Durkin."

"Sponsor yields."

"Mr. Bradley."

"Okay, so will the Sponsor yield?"

"Sponsor yields." 09900055.docx 82  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015

"Representative Harris… Representative Harris, did the Governor send us a budget proposal earlier this year?" Harris, G.: "We had one that was introduced. The Governor certainly came and gave his budget address, and then I believe, Representatives on the side opposite introduced his budget."

"Okay, so was the budget that was introduced consistent with the information that was provided to us in his budget address?" Harris, G.: "It's my belief that it was."

"And did it have a reduction in the required pension contribution of $2 billion 2 hundred million?" Harris, G.: "Yes it did."

"It had a reduction in contribution to the pension system of $2 billion 2 hundred million?" Harris, G.: "Yes, Sir."

"That is not what the actual payment is this year based on the facts and reality and law as it stands today, correct?" Harris, G.: "I understand that not only is that the number, but that the number has increased 536 million over FY15, so that the budget that the Governor produced would've been out of balance by yet another half a billion dollars."

"What did you say? Out of balance?" Harris, G.: "Out of balance."

"So, the budget that was introduced, the budget that was introduced by the Governor was $2.756 billion out of balance with regard to one item, the pension payment. Is that correct?" 09900055.docx 83  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015 Harris, G.: "If all the other items stood that is my understanding."

"In addition, the Governor's proposed budget had a reduction of group health insurance of $700 million, correct?" Harris, G.: "Yes."

"Is that the actual amount that we owe for group health insurance or… what is the actual amount that we owe for group health insurance this year? Do you know it?" Harris, G.: "I believe… I'll have to get back to you on that, Representative. I believe it's in excess of that amount substantially."

"But the amount that we actually owe for group health insurance was $700 million more than what was proposed in the Governor's introduced budget, correct?" Harris, G.: "Yes, and I think he also anticipated taking actions did not have statutory authority yet, so those actions could not have been taken."

"That would require legislation and a statutory change, would it not?" Harris, G.: "Yes."

"So, the budget that was introduced would be out of balance with regards to group health insurance only of $700 million. Is that not correct?" Harris, G.: "Yes."

"Representative, the Local Government Distributive Fund, that is a statutory item, that by law, we pay to the local communities, is it not?" 09900055.docx 84  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015 Harris, G.: "Yes, it goes to municipalities, towns, and villages across the State of Illinois."

"The Governor's introduced budget would have lowered that by $634 million 47 thousand, would it not?" Harris, G.: "I believe so, yes."

"The Governor's proposed budget was not based on the reality or status of the law, but yet had a reduction of $634 million plus, correct?" Harris, G.: "Yes."

"The Governor's introduced budget with regards to the Local Government Distributive Fund item only would be over $600 million out of balance, would it not?" Harris, G.: "Yes."

"Hospital assessment payment reduction. The Governor has in his budget $400 million less for the hospital assessment payment reduction, did he not?" Harris, G.: "Yes he did, Representative."

"That would require a law change that is not taking place, is that correct?" Harris, G.: "That is correct. That program is in statute."

"The Governor's budget would be $400 million out of balance with regards to the Hospital Assessment Payment Reduction Fund only, would it not?" Harris, G.: "Yes, Representative."

"Is anyone keeping track? Is anyone keeping track? Supplemental payments to hospitals shorted $350 million out of balance, correct?" Harris, G.: "Yes." 09900055.docx 85  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015

"Public utility tax diversions, $280.7 million out of balance, correct?" Harris, G.: "I believe so, yes."

"All of these from the Governor's introduced budget. Nursing home rates, $200 million out of balance, correct?" Harris, G.: "Yes."

"Community care program, $140 million out of balance, correct?" Harris, G.: "Yes."

"Public Transportation Fund, $127 million out of balance, correct?" Harris, G.: "I believe so, yes."

"From the Governor's introduced budget. Teachers' Retirement Insurance Program… Teachers' Retirement Insurance Program, $108.25.261 million out of balance in the Governor's introduced budget, correct?" Harris, G.: "I believe so, yes."

"Determination of need increases, $98 million out of balance, correct?" Harris, G.: "Yes."

"Elimination of all services for young adults over 18, $98 million out of balance, correct?" Harris, G.: "Yes."

"Specialized mental health rehabilitation facilities, $80 million out of balance, correct?" Harris, G.: "I believe so, yes."

"Downstate public transportation fund, $75 million out of balance, correct?" Harris, G.: "Yes." 09900055.docx 86  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015

"Accountable care entities, ACEs, $60 million out of balance, correct?" Harris, G.: "Yes."

"Pharmaceutical dispensing fees, $46 million out of balance, correct?" Harris, G.: "Yes."

"Adult dental services, $35 million out of balance, correct?" Harris, G.: "I believe so, yes."

"Medicaid eligibility eliminations, $31.7 million out of balance, correct?" Harris, G.: "Yes."

"Amtrak operating assistance, $16 million out of balance, correct?" Harris, G.: "Yes."

"Supportive living facility rate reductions, $15 million out of balance, correct?" Harris, G.: "Yes."

"Chicago Teacher's Pension Fund, $12.105 million out of balance, correct?" Harris, G.: "Yes."

"Renal dialysis for noncitizens, $9.3 million out of balance, correct?" Harris, G.: "Yes."

"Kidney transplants for noncitizens, $7 million out of balance, correct?" Harris, G.: "Yes."

"College insurance program, 4.624625 million out of balance, correct?" 09900055.docx 87  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015 Harris, G.: "Yes."

"Rate increases for children on ventilators, $4.6 million out of balance, correct?" Harris, G.: "Yes."

"Podiatric services, $4 million out of balance, for drug prior authorization, $4 million out of balance, passenger rail fund, 500,000 out balance. I don't know. I live down in Southern Illinois, but that doesn't seem like that's in balance to me. Does it to you?" Harris, G.: "It looks that way in Northern Illinois too, Representative."

"So, if you care about middle class people, if you care about the citizens of the State of Illinois, if you care about working men and women and you care about the values that this state has stood for, for years don't get caught up in the rhetoric, don't get caught up in the discussion or the finger pointing over the balanced budgets or nonbalanced budgets and all that stuff because the stuff that was sent to us was not balanced. It wasn't even balanced from day one. It was built upon assumptions that weren't reality. It was built upon taking out the middle class. It was built upon hurting working men and women. It was built upon assumptions that didn't exist in law. It was built upon a false, a faulty foundation. Greg Harris is attempting to put forth a spending plan which is a combination of potential revenue and reasonable spending cuts that protects working men and women, protects the middle class. Stand up for the people we represent and vote 'aye'."

"Mr. Davis." 09900055.docx 88  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015 Davis, W.: "Wow, Mr. Speaker, I'm not quite sure how to come behind that."

"Well, you could take a pass, Sir." Davis, W.: "No. Well, no."

"Okay." Davis, W.: "Let me just… will the Sponsor yield?"

"The Sponsor, of course, yields." Davis, W.: "Representative, when you went through your discussion of things in the budget, one thing that I didn't hear and I just wanted some clarity on is your talking about a number of restorations that took place. What about summer jobs?" Harris, G.: "There are about $7 million, I believe, for summer jobs for youth that are in this budget." Davis, W.: "Okay, thank you very much. Briefly to the Bill, Ladies and Gentlemen. We heard the Leader over there describe his version of the events that are taking place there and I can appreciate that, but what I would also add into this conversation is what happens if we make these cuts? You don't hear anybody talking about that. I would argue that some of the cuts particularly in the Human Services budget that are being proposed or were proposed by the Governor. The reality is that they would actually cost us more money and whether or not we know that or not, I actually asked agency directors that question. When I had the opportunity to question them and from the Appropriations Committees themselves, but what happens if we're not providing care to children on ventilators and children's rehabilitative systems in Harvey, Illinois if it closes or has to reduce its services? And these young people who are deemed medically complex have to go home. What 09900055.docx 89  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015 happens there? So, at that time, I believe it was interim Director Bassey, who I understand is no longer the interim director. He said, well, if they’re at home and something happens we'll dispatch a crisis team, a crisis team. I said, well, sometimes when you do those kinds of things don't they actually cost you more money? He didn't answer, but presumably, the answer was yes. When we have to do things extraordinary to provide services they cost us more money. So, I asked agency directors about their cuts. What will those cuts do in terms of the services that are being provided? If we can't provide them, will they ultimately cost the state more money? Because those individuals who may get cut off Medicaid and don't have access to primary care services, if they wind up in a hospital and go through the emergency room that's going to cost us two or three times more to provide the service. So, is that a good way to go? I think not. What we are proposing are opportunities to provide good services to people across the State of Illinois, give them access to the appropriate care that they need so we're not costing ourselves more money in the long run. So, we can argue about revenue. We can go back and forth, but if we’re going to cost ourselves more money where is that money going to come from? Or better yet is more about actually we don't care about costing us more money? Is that what it is? We talk about programs for youth and for individuals. Well, if kids are just running the streets then they're more likely to get in trouble with the law. We have a lot of law enforcements here in the chamber. So, what happens when young people get caught up with the law? If they unfortunately have to go into a 09900055.docx 90  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015 facility that's going to cost us more money. Probably more money than it would be to simply fund after-school programs and give these young people something to do after school. So, to the extent in which the Leader says insanity, I think making those kinds of cuts are insane because they're going to cost us more money. They're going to require us to grow things like our corrections budget or maybe you want to grow the corrections budget. I personally don't. We need to be providing opportunities to move people out of the corrections system, but if we move in the way that the Governor wants us to do we're going to be forced with adding more into corrections because hey, people get in trouble you've got to figure out what to do with them. You've got to house them somewhere. So, Ladies and Gentlemen, I can appreciate the dialogue about revenue and yes, there will be a conversation about revenue. It's going to be a great conversation about revenue and we hope that all of you on that side of the aisle can join in on the conversation about revenue, but this is about providing services and making sure that we are providing adequate services for the people of the State of Illinois. That 110 thousand people that each one of us took an oath to try to protect, to try to provide services for. How can making drastic cuts to services… how can we do that and still say that we are representing the people in our districts when they need those services. So, Representative, I support what you are doing. Representative Bradley ran through a litany of out of balance issues that were proposed to us, so if those are okay this is definitely much better than that. So, I would encourage everyone to support this Gentleman's measure." 09900055.docx 91  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015

"Mr. Sandack."

"Sponsor yields."

"Mr. Kay."

"Of course."

"Representative Bellock."

"Sponsor yields."

"Mr. Demmer."

"Sponsor yields."

"Mr. Hays."

"Sponsor yields."

"Mr. Harris." Harris, D.: "Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Question of the Sponsor, if I may." 09900055.docx 117  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015

"Sponsor yields." Harris, D.: "Representative, I assume you are the leadoff hitter on all of these budget Bills because it looks like we have nine Bills… appropriations Bills in the House and you just happen to be lucky enough to be the first one. Is that right?" Harris, G.: "Representative, before the Gentleman who just spoke leaves the floor, I just have to tell you… I just have to tell you that you may have made a mistake. We talked about the Bills I Sponsored that I voted against. I vote for my Bills and with that story you may have mistaken me for Jay Hoffman. And let you know… Ladies and Gentlemen, I know Jay Hoffman and I am no Jay Hoffman."

"Now, Mr. Harris, you may…" Harris, D.: "Having… with that observation, I will simply say that the Gentleman to your left has a lot more hair than you do. I'm not sure that makes him any more attractive, but he just happens to have more hair. So, you're the leadoff here on the budget I gather, right? So, you get to take all the brick breaks that we get to throw at you. I hope we don't have to go through this nine… eight more times." Harris, G.: "I think the debate has been very good." Harris, D.: "So, I don't have to listen to the Gentleman from Williamson County give me his emotional harangue seven more times about how the numbers don't add up?" Harris, G.: "That would be totally up to him." Harris, D.: "That they're out of balance?" Harris, G.: "I think they will still be out of balance, but his remarks are up to him." 09900055.docx 118  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015 Harris, D.: "Let me ask you… I'm looking at the nine appropriations Bills that are here in the House and I understand there are also nine in the Senate?" Harris, G.: "I haven't counted up the Senate ones, but there are a number over there." Harris, D.: "Well, we have a pretty good staff and our staff added up the Bills and they came up to a figure of about $21 billion… $21 billion… 9… Yeah, not $21 billion." Harris, G.: "And I see nine…" Harris, D.: "Let me ask you how's education funded so far? Do we know?" Harris, G.: "I don't believe the Elementary & Secondary Education budget has been filed yet." Harris, D.: "So, that's about six and a half billion or potentially more that hasn't been accounted for, right?" Harris, G.: "Again, that's not an area I work in, so I would defer the answers. I don't want to be incorrect." Harris, D.: "Well, you get to handle the questions because you're the leadoff. So, the transfers out, you know, things like the Local Government Distributive Fund, have they been accounted for?" Harris, G.: "They are not appropriated. Those are statutory, I believe, so they are a continuing appropriation. Would that be the right word, Representative?" Harris, D.: "Indeed. I'll agree to that. As are the TRS pension payment. That's a continuing appropriation, right?" Harris, G.: "Yes it is." Harris, D.: "I think it is. Let's say that it is. So, that's about what here… that's about $3.7 billion. Debt service, we have 09900055.docx 119  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015 to pay our, you know, those people that loan us their money they like to get their interest payments and their debt service so, that's a continuing appropriation so…" Harris, G.: "That is a statutory obligation and a continuing appropriation." Harris, D.: "That's about $2.1 billion, isn't it? About 2.1?" Harris, G.: "And it's something we certainly ought to pay." Harris, D.: "Right. That's what I thought. You know, the Gentleman from Williamson County said the numbers don't add up. They don't add up because they're simply expenditures. Expenditures have to add up to revenues and it's really unfortunate that this process has broken down this year. We didn't do a budget Resolution and that's too bad, but guess what? It's no surprise. We're going to bring in, if nothing else changes, about $32.1 billion, okay? We don't have to do a Resolution. Probably should, but we're going to being in about $32.1 billion. Let me tell you something, you can pick on the Governor. You can pick on the Governor and say, well, his budget doesn't add up. You know what? His budget does add up. Now, it may add up and forgive me here if I commit a Lèse- majesté. It may add up because he's saying $2.2 billion is going to be received in pension payments that may not occur, that may not occur, but it adds up. It adds up if you say that $700 million is saved in group health. Now, maybe that doesn't occur, but I haven't seen any votes on that. I haven't seen any votes on whether or not we want to make the pension changes. I haven't seen any votes on whether or not we want to change Local Government Distributive Fund distributions. I haven’t seen any votes on that, but you may not like his 09900055.docx 120  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015 budget and I may have problems with part of his budget, but guess what? His budget adds up. The budget that has been put forward here today and you add up all these Bills doesn't add up. It's as simple as that. Now, you know, you mentioned the Civic Federation and I read the Civic Federation report, all 75 pages. I skimmed some of the pages, but I certainly read the executive summary. Let me ask you are you going to introduce a Bill to eliminate the exemption on the sales tax on food and drugs so that it's taxed at the full rate that the Civic Federation proposed?" Harris, G.: "No, Representative. If you recall, I think my remarks were they suggested a menu of options at which we might look." Harris, D.: "Okay. And so their menu of options includes reinstating part of the income tax increase that decreased. Anybody going to introduce that?" Harris, G.: "Again, that is part of the menu of options they suggested that I thought was instructive." Harris, D.: "My friends, I may not be the sharpest knife in the drawer, but I can count. I can count. And you know what? There are 71 Members of this House that have a 'D' after their name and there are 47 Members of this House that have an 'R' after their name. It is the height of irresponsibility to pass out of this chamber a budget that is, let's even conservatively say, $3 billion out of whack. If you want revenue it takes 60 votes, 60. I think there are 71. Sixty could pass a revenue Bill out of here and you have increased revenue and you could put out of this House a balanced budget not one that is $3 billion out of whack. It is the height of irresponsibility to do that. The people of the State of Illinois deserve better, 09900055.docx 121  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015 they expect better. And I'll pick up on what my colleague said earlier, it is unfair, especially for those social service providers to pass a budget that is so unworkable, so unstable, and so uncertain as to whether or not they're actually going to get the money that's been appropriated that allows them to provide their services. Ladies and Gentlemen, the wrong way to go. Please vote 'no'."

Speaker Turner: "Representative Turner in the Chair. Representative Davidsmeyer is recognized."

"The Sponsor will yield."

"Representative Sullivan."

"The Chair recognizes Representative Wehrli."

"The Sponsor will yield."

"Chair recognizes Representative Zalewski."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. To the Bill. I'm so sick and tired of being lectured to about where we are as a state. I sat here for the last hour and listened to this Sponsor get his motives questioned about his devotion and his conviction to those less needy in this state. I've sat here and I've listened to a litany of years gone by about unbalanced budgets including those with Republican Governors. I had to actually listen to someone bring up public pension reform where we put more votes on than your side. And you're going to lecture us about fiscal responsibility when we went out on a limb against our core constituency? We're tired of it. We understand there's a new governor. We understand he has a vision for the State of Illinois, but we're not going to let a budget that affects the most vulnerable citizens of the State of Illinois be tied to external items. It's not going to happen on this side of the aisle. The lectures have to stop. You can be against this Bill, you can vote 'no' on the budget, you can say it's bad policy, but don't give us pedantic lectures. It's beneath the dignity of the chamber, it's beneath you and you look ridiculous. Vote 'yes' on the budget. Mr. Speaker." 09900055.docx 127  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015

Speaker Turner: "The Chair recognizes Representative Feigenholtz."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"Sponsor will yield."

"Representative Harris, first I want to thank you for your patience and your grace in handling this today. I know firsthand what it's like and I just want to say thank you for everything you've done. Another question I have is… is epilepsy restored in this budget?" Harris, G.: "Yes, Representative, the epilepsy program which had been cut was restored as are the three respite care programs. Those are in the DD long term care lines."

"And what about the respite program?" Harris, G.: "Respite care is in. There are three respite programs. They are all within DD care. They are all restored in this budget."

"And there was some rule problems and something with dialysis services. Could you tell me what is in the budget and what the intent is?" Harris, G.: "As far as legislative intent, Representative, I'm going to read this 'cause it's a little complicated, and I want to get it right. It is the intent of this Legislative Body that full funding for Medicaid services provided at dialysis centers during fiscal year 2016 is appropriated within the hospital budgetary line. This includes full funding for the add on of $60 per treatment that federal CMS has previously approved and was mistakenly stricken from administrative rules and the Department of Healthcare & Family Services is once again moving through the rules 09900055.docx 128  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015 process. We advise the department to submit the rule to JCAR as soon as possible and without a sunset date so the delivery of these critical services are not jeopardized."

"Thank you very much. To the Bill. So, I've been listening to a lot of the comments that Members on the other side of the aisle have been talking about. And just a very short while ago, as I recall, we had an opportunity to vote on some of the Governor's proposals and I don't think that there was one 'yes' vote that came from my Republican colleagues. Is that correct? So, I also have yet to hear anybody on the other side of the aisle publicly say we have a revenue problem and come up with a solution. I haven't seen, aside from what the Governor's offered, any counterproposals, any plans. Where is your plan? Where is your plan? And the question then becomes if you don't have a plan and all you're doing is complaining about our plan, perhaps you should think about the famous words of Loretta Lynn that everybody wants to go to Heaven but, nobody wants to die. Vote 'aye' on this Bill. Thank you."

"Representative Mautino."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I rise in support of the Gentleman's first of nine Bills for a spending plan for the State of Illinois. And I think that it's far and away time that we begin in the last few days to send a spending plan, which is one piece of a budget, over to the Governor. Now, since there's been a change in the administration we had to do a fix. We came in 2015, there was a $1.6 billion hole and so we worked cooperatively with the Governor to fill that hole and I would say that in 09900055.docx 129  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015 filling that we allowed for fund sweeps which we took away from Governor Blagojevich because they were abused. We used the structure of borrowing and repaying to make sure the money went back into the funds they were created for. But since the new Governor asked us not to discuss taxes or revenue until he took office we obliged and did that. The Leaders worked together. I think that the downstater put up quite a bit of money for that. You know, you see that 250 out of the road fund, but we actually put 500 million, a third of that money which is stolen money, from each of those funds into fixing a problem so that the new Governor would not fail. And it was set up partly by his own request to do things that way and we did. So, we allowed for a billion three in fund sweeps. Note that's just stealing money other people have paid to fund what they do, to give the ability for a new Governor to come in and work with this, but he also has to recognize and we have to recognize that the structure that this House has created to work together will allow us to make things continue for the State of Illinois. Today we work on a spending plan. Very simple, it is 3.3, 3.4, 3.5 billion out of whack. Now, when I spent some time with the Governor on April 12, we got a chance to sit down and talk about the new staff that he brought in, some good people from the Republican side, the budget director. I had a major concern with his budget which is about $4 billion out of whack, too. And so, we had a good discussion on when the Supreme Court comes out with a decision how are going to react to that $2.2 billion hole because it creates a mess for your potential administration going forward and getting things done and providing valuable 09900055.docx 130  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015 services. And I haven't seen an answer to that yet, but it is a driving question. So, I think in that there's a recognition… or there's a need to talk about revenue as well as cuts. We stand ready to do that. Injecting the other items, well, we took votes on those. Many of you voted 'present' and that's fine on those items, but we're at a time where certain things are going to have to happen. We've seen it under Governor Quinn when he didn't want to make payments. The unions will go to the courts. There's certain things we must pay in the course of doing this. There're certain portions of these Bills that should be acted on, and I think our leaders can do that. So, we should go forward and put together a spending plan. The revenue side is going to have to come, but you've got critical dates which will come up in the second week of July, you've got the school payments on the 13th. When those payments don't go out or the schools don't open that is on us. So, we have nine Bills which is a spending plan. We stand ready to discuss the revenues as well as further cuts, but some of the items that have delayed us to this point are bringing us to the end of the budget cycle where we have to take action. Today we will send these over, the Senate will send other Bills, and we will move forward. Is the budget out of balance? Yes, but does it have it be? No. There's $32 billion… that money will not spend out tomorrow, but there are critical dates that we have to consider for the people we represent, Democrats no different than Republicans. So, I rise in support of this legislation and to the process of doing what we were elected to do. The Governor has his function. He is the executive. He is going to have to deal 09900055.docx 131  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015 with the court decision and tell us what he think that means. As I read it, the 2.2 billion can't be used and probably shouldn't have been structured in the budget, but I think they said we have to work out a way to pay that, and those reductions in these plans don't work. So, we need a spending function. That's what today is all about, nothing more, nothing less. We have given sweeps which a third of that came from interest downstate which Republicans or Democrats shouldn't authorize again unless we're ready to set a spending plan, talk about revenues and cuts. So, I join with my friend, the Chairman of Human Services. He has a budget with some cuts, more can be discussed, and I think we should continue on with this process. I ask you to vote 'aye'."

"The Chair recognizes Representative Guzzardi."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In his opening remarks, the distinguished Leader from across the aisle suggested that history will not remember us kindly for passing this budget. History will not remember us kindly. Was it we who proposed cuts to people with autism and epilepsy? Was it we who proposed kicking kids off ventilators? Was it we who proposed that you shouldn't get a kidney transplant if you need one just 'cause you're from another country? Was it we who proposed that the indigent deceased pile up in morgues rather than get a decent burial or are we proposing a budget that will provide the services needed by the poor, the ill, the children, the middle-class families in our communities and saying that you know what? We're going to come back around and ask the Bruce Rauner class in our State to pay their fair share and fund it. Now, look, history won't remember us 09900055.docx 132  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015 kindly. I'm not a historian and I have lived through less history than almost everyone in this chamber, but I would respectfully suggest that our budget will be remembered as compassionate and thoughtful and caring in marked contrast to the budget that was proposed by the Governor in February. And yes, let's balance this budget, but let's not do it on the back of sick children or disabled adults. Let's ask the very wealthy to pay their fair share and fund these vital programs. I look forward to that discussion. Many of us clearly do. Until then, let's take a vote that history will remember kindly and vote 'yes' on this budget. Thank you."

Speaker Turner: "The Chair recognizes Representative Keith Wheeler." Wheeler, K.: "Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"The Sponsor will yield." Wheeler, K.: "Representative, I thought I heard you mention in your earlier remarks that additional revenue would be necessary for this all to work out. Is that accurate?" Harris, G.: "I think I mentioned that this was a press conference that the Speaker had and that was one of the remarks that was made there." Wheeler, K.: "Oh, I thought… the words additional revenue stick in my mind, Greg, for a reason. And I'm a freshman, you know that and I ask a lot of questions and I may not understand all the code words and their full implication here in this chamber, but additional revenue has a ring in my ear that it might ultimately take the form of a tax increase." Harris, G.: "It could also take the form of… as has been discussed many times, reducing corporate tax loopholes so that 09900055.docx 133  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015 corporations who are being very profitable pay their fair share so that people who have kids with epilepsy or people who need respite services can have them." Wheeler, K.: "Sure. No, I understand there's loopholes that can be closed. Not $4 billion loopholes from my analysis but… and I understand there's other forms of revenue, but I still… I'm asking there's the possibility of a tax increase coming." Harris, G.: "I'm just saying that… again, I look to what the Civic Federation put forward when they talked about the Governor's introduced budget and their suggested solutions. I think they give us a menu of options that I think could be good guidance." Wheeler, K.: "Right. But they're not here in the Body with us. We're the ones who are going to decide that, and I'm fearful, concerned maybe is a better word that we're talking about a tax increase." Harris, G.: "And Representative, my job is to present a Bill that has spending in three different areas: Human Services, the Department of Health Care & Family Services, and the Department of Veteran's Affairs. There is a whole nother committee chaired by…" Wheeler, K.: "Sure." Harris, G.: "…able Members on both sides who deal with the issues that you're bringing up here." Wheeler, K.: "No, and I appreciate that and understand that I'm learning the process as we go. But generally, the Constitution tells us we're supposed to have a balanced budget, and I'm just going to go to the Bill here, Greg. Thank you. I'm going to return to a familiar line of reasoning here. One that I 09900055.docx 134  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015 actually ran on and my constituents sent me here to follow up on. And we all want business, large and small, to come to Illinois, to invest in Illinois, and for the clear purpose of creating jobs in Illinois. To give our neighbors an opportunity to build a satisfying career and provide for their families and, ultimately, as part of their process, grow our state and actually grow the revenues that come to the state government, an organic process of how we grow revenue in Illinois. We've been here for four months… a little more than four months now and have we generally taken up something important to the growth of jobs in Illinois like worker's compensation. We’ve talked about it, but we haven't generally addressed it. Why would we do that? Worker's compensation reform is one of the most important issues facing the business community in this state and they're the primary hirer of people in this state. Number one, we make Illinois a more attractive place to invest, to grow their business and to hire more people. But two, the other side of that we don't talk about and it goes to the budget process which is why I'm bringing it up right now. There's an analysis that's been done that shows that the State of Illinois and the local businesses and counties in our state would save, not totally spend, we would save $190 million a year if we had just middle of the road worker's compensation costs in this state. Now, I know it's only $190 million and it's spread across more than just the State of Illinois's government unit, but it's a substantial amount of money and it would help our budget process while it helps our job creation process. Proposing a budget like the one we're seeing today borders on absurd that 09900055.docx 135  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015 a policy of the State of Illinois somehow doesn't affect the budget of our state. I'm told that, again, we would save $190 million just with average worker's compensation costs. Let's go back to job creation. If we were to make Illinois the best place for a company to invest and create jobs, we’ve got to beat 49 other states. But when the City of Chicago has a credit rating that has been downgraded to junk bond status, our state's been downgraded more than 20 times. Is that going to be an attractive place for a company to invest and to grow and to hire people here? No. We have the seventh highest worker's compensation costs in the country, but we haven't taken up serious reform yet. That doesn't make Illinois an attractive place to do business. And when we take this approach to the balanced budget process that's unbalanced by $4 billion, no one's going to take us seriously. They're not going to come here. They're not going to create their company here and to create the jobs that we need. It's a shame and this is a shameful process. I urge a 'no' vote."

Speaker Turner: "Representative Anthony yields his time to Representative Sandack."

"The Chair recognizes Representative Smiddy."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. To the Bill. Over the last several weeks we've heard people talk about compromise and how they said they're willing to compromise and willing to work in a bipartisan manner. Yet, the idea of compromise coming from the other side is, give me everything I want and we'll talk, just talk about maybe some of the things that you want. Well, I've heard that from the other side and how they care about people as well. Well, their budget cut mental health for folks, cut early childhood development, eliminated after-school programs, cut higher education by 31.5 percent, eliminated ARC of Illinois, eliminate Teen REACH and cut breast and cervical cancer screenings. Well, folks, if this is caring about Illinois, I'd hate to see what they'd do to people they disliked. And I've also heard that folks are talking about how they're not liking to be called an Illinois politician. Well, maybe next time we can help him out with not being one. So, I'm here to vote 'yes' for this budget because I want to make sure that we care about the people of Illinois and we have compromised. Unfortunately, the other side hasn't. Vote 'yes'."

"The Chair recognizes Representative Brady."

"He indicates that he will."

"The Chair recognizes Representative Tryon."

"The Sponsor indicates that he will yield."

"The Chair recognizes Representative McDermed."

"Members, this is our final speaker on this Bill. Leader Lang."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen. My, my, my. I've listened to a lot of rhetoric in this chamber for a long time, but we're getting near the best rhetoric. This was good stuff. The very first speaker on the other side of the aisle during this debate said in a very broad way the Constitution is the fundamental law of the State of Illinois. The Constitution is the fundamental law of the State of Illinois. And yet, folks on the other side of the aisle speak in glowing 09900055.docx 145  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015 terms about a Governor who everyday tries to violate the separation of powers section of the Constitution, ignores the institution of the General Assembly as a coequal branch of government. His goal is to run this place like he runs one of his businesses from top to bottom. He's the boss, we're the middle management, we're his employees. But Ladies and Gentlemen, we're not his employees. If you believe the Constitution is the fundamental law of the State of Illinois then you must also believe that we're a coequal branch of government, and we deserve the respect from the 2nd floor that we try to give the 2nd floor. Someone on the other side of the aisle suggested that when Mr. Mautino called this a spending plan this was somehow worthy of derision, but in fact, this is a spending plan. It's not a budget. It's a spending plan. It's a spending plan that sets out priorities. The Governor did that when he came to us in February and laid out his budget. That was a list of his priorities. These are our priorities and yes, we don't have the money today to pay for these priorities. There isn't a person on this side of the aisle that would argue that we do. But we are prepared to initiate spending… initiate the creation of revenue to take care of the needs of the people of the State of Illinois that reflect our values. Are you? Are you? To you guys a budget is just a bunch of numbers. Take 'em, cut 'em, change 'em, make 'em lower, but the left side of that column that talks about what those numbers represent in terms of services to people are worthless to you because all you see are numbers. The Governor's own budget was out of whack. Mr. Bradley very nicely outlined that by billions of dollars and purposely so. 09900055.docx 146  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015 The Governor knew that his $2.2 billion that he thought he was going to save in pensions wasn't going to be saved and all those other things that Mr. Bradley outlined. So, we heard the Governor talk about revenue and he said very clearly let's hold the General Assembly hostage, let's hold the people of the State of Illinois hostage over the budget, and let's say if you pass these ten things that can't ever pass, we'll talk about enough revenue to fund the needs of the people of the State of Illinois that reflect the values of the people of the State of Illinois. What kind of nonsense is that? What kind of approach is that that says we're going to hold autistic children hostage, we're going to hold epileptic children hostage, we're going to hold drug addiction services hostage over term limits, over workers' compensation reform, over all these other things. We're going to hold the values we hold dear hostage over things that have nothing to do with the budget of the State of Illinois. This spending plan presented by Mr. Harris today are our priorities. They display who we are as a party, and in fact, they display who we are as a people. Many of you on that side of the aisle that spoke so eloquently against this Amendment, against this Bill are not even in touch with your own constituents who would never say don't take care of autistic children, don't bury indigent people, cut the line item for Teen REACH, cut the line items for immigration, cut the line items wherever you want to cut them just to cut them. Because we don't care what values we reflect, we only care about the numbers in the budget, that's all that's important to us. This budget… or this spending plan proposed today reflects the values and the needs of the 09900055.docx 147  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015 people who live in the State of Illinois. These don't reflect politicians' needs. These don't reflect elected officials' needs. These reflect the real needs of the people who live in this state who demand and require that this General Assembly address those needs. Our people deserve more than the rhetoric we're hearing today because it's simply rhetoric. Because many of you who spoke against this Bill today are for these values but refuse and are unwilling to say so, because the 2nd Floor won't let you say so or because your Leader won't let you say so or because you don't feel like saying so or because you're afraid of some ad that'll come out against you. What a bunch of nonsense. We have a responsibility to reflect our values and so let me say here and now these are our values. I'm proud of the work Mr. Harris has done. I'm proud of the work that the staff that worked with him has done. They worked tirelessly to put the needs and the values of the State of Illinois on a piece of paper. The transcript of this debate will reflect who cares about the needs and values of the people of the State of Illinois, all the people of the State of Illinois, poor people, middle class people and yes, the upper crust. This transcript will reflect who cares about those needs and values and who does not. It's pretty darn clear from this transcript who cares and who does not. We have a greater responsibility than some of you are willing to admit to. And so, I asked what I asked last week at a hearing on another Bill. We know, because you never stop telling us, what the minority party is against. We know what the Governor's against. The question is, and we all want to know not only on this side of the aisle but, 13 million people 09900055.docx 148  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015 who live in the State of Illinois. The question we want the answer to is what are you for? Who are you for? What values do you reflect as elected officials? You must be more than you are today. This can't be all you are. I would reflect upon this. The people are watching what you're doing. They're listening to what you're saying. Vote 'aye' on this important Bill."

"Representative Greg Harris to close." Harris, G.: "Ladies and Gentlemen, it's been several hours, I think, several hours that we've talked and I think a lot of you forgot what we're actually discussing. What we're actually discussing here are child care services. What we're actually discussing here are services that allow senior citizens to stay in their homes. What we are talking about are services that allow people with disabilities to live independently and with dignity. What we are talking here is about dealing with the scourge of addiction and heroin and meth that plague our state. What we're doing here is talking about giving adequate mental health services to children and youth who struggle in a violent society. What we're talking about here is giving those kids a positive opportunity to have something to do this summer other than roam the streets and get in trouble or worse. That's what we’re talking about here. We have spent hours talking about a whole lot of other things that aren't even mentioned in this legislation. We've talked about workers' comp, we've talked about anti-union agendas. We've talked about the niceties of grammar. We've even talked about lèse-majesté, grammar from a whole nother country. We've had walks down memory lanes of budgets in years 09900055.docx 149  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015 gone by, and really importantly to the moms and dads who are hoping, who are hoping that we provide respite care to their families so that their families can remain intact and live good lives. We've talked about House Committee process. Boy, I bet the people back home are really glad to have been educated for hours and hours and hours about discussions of committees here have had in years past. I think those moms and dads who came and talked about their epileptic kids, about their kids who need respite services, they wanted to see us get into action. They wanted us to preserve hope for them. And one of the speakers on the other aisle said well, maybe it's better to take away all hope. Maybe it's better to just cut these items out of the budget like the Governor wanted to do. Maybe let's just cut out the hope of families who want their kids to stay safe after school. Maybe it's better to just take away the hope of families they have respite care. Maybe it's better to take away hope that there would be a hospital functioning in your community. Maybe it's better to take away hope for folks who are trying to get a kid off heroin in the suburbs. Maybe it's better to take away hope from the 41 lower counties in Southern Illinois who rely on the Franklin County meth program for substance abuse treatment for their kids or for a spouse. Maybe it's just better to take away all that hope. I don't believe that's right. I think we need to give people hope. I think we need to give people the belief that folks here in Springfield care about the things that will strengthen their families. I think they need to understand who will stand with them to strengthen their communities. So, Ladies and Gentlemen, if you believe 09900055.docx 150  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015 in giving people that hope, if you believe in giving them a chance, if you believe in strengthening families and communities vote 'aye'."

"The question is, 'Shall House Bill 4165 pass?' All in favor vote 'aye'. All opposed vote 'nay'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, please take the record. On the count of 64 voting 'yes', 51 voting 'no', and 0 voting 'present'. House Bill 4165, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Mr. Clerk, House Bill 4158. Representative Crespo. Please read the Bill."

"Members, please bring the noise down. Thank you. Representative Crespo, Floor Amendment #1."

"Thank you, Speaker, Members of the House. The Floor Amendment for House Bill 4158 includes the appropriations for CMS, the Department of Agriculture, Arts Council, Civil Service, ICC, dry cleaners, IDES, EPA, the FPR, Gaming Board and the Independent Tax Tribunal. I'll be more than happy to discuss those in more detail on Third."

"The Gentleman moves for the adoption of Floor Amendment #1 to House Bill 4158. All in favor say 'aye', all opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. And the Amendment is adopted. Mr. Clerk." 09900055.docx 151  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015

"Representative Crespo."

"Thank you, Speaker, Members of the House. This is the first of five appropriation Bills for general services… okay, actually, I think… I move that the note's inapplicable."

"I'm sorry, Representative?"

"The note does not apply. It's inapplicable."

Speaker Turner: "You've heard the Gentleman's Motion. Representative Sandack on the Motion."

"The Sponsor indicates that he will yield."

"Not to this budget. I mean, this introduced budget…"

"…what we have before you does not exceed our projected budget revenue."

"Right."

"Listen, we have five days left, Mr. Sandack. I appreciate the fact that you mentioned earlier that you are going to file or introduce a Bill. I would imagine. I'm not sure when. So, right now we only have one option. We need to move the ball forward."

"Oh, this is just part of the process. This is part of the process. There's two parts to this process. The revenue and the spending. We are kind of reversing this a little bit 'cause, somehow, we have not talked about revenue yet and there's been no agreement. So, I would submit to you that with five days left, Leader Sandack, and I appreciate the fact that, I'm actually very encouraged, 'cause you did mention you're going to introduce a budget Bill. But please understand we have five days left. Last I heard there's… the Republicans don't have any appropriation Bills from the Senate. The process will probably take you three days if you were to introduce your budget Bill tomorrow morning. We're running out of time. This is what we have right now. We'll be more than happy to listen to your budget Bill tomorrow if that's when you intend to move it."

"You've all heard the Gentleman's Motion. All in favor will vote 'aye', all opposed will vote 'nay'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, please take the record. 09900055.docx 153  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015 On a count of 65 voting 'yes'; 51 voting 'no', and 0 voting 'present'. The Gentleman's Motion carries. Mr. Clerk."

"Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, House Bill 4158."

"Representative Crespo."

"Thank you, Speaker. As I was mentioning before, there are five appropriation Bills in general services: three in the House and two will be coming from the Senate. This is the first one of the five. It's based on appropriations of $1 billion 145 million 800 thousand for general services with a few exceptions. In the Governor's introduced budget and the agencies' introduced budget were the same, we went with the Governor's proposal. I would add that that amounted to a little bit over 40 percent of what the Governor wanted in this budget, he got. And I also should mention as always this committee left some money on the table and there's approximately 10 million that were not spent. The… House Bill 4158 includes CMS which was funded at the same as Fiscal Year '15. It's also based on the assumption that the group health insurance will work as the Governor wants. So, it's based on his introduced and we wish him good luck with that. Agriculture is at the same level as the Governor's introduced for a cut of $2,717,000 for Fiscal Year '15. The Arts Council is the same level as Fiscal Year '15. Civil Service Commission, same level as the Governor's introduced for an $8,500 increase for operations for Fiscal Year '15. ICC's all other state funds, there's an increase for telecommunications 09900055.docx 154  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015 oversight. The Drycleaner Environmental Council, same as the Governor's introduced. IDS, the Governor's introduced for a $4,260,000 cut from Fiscal Year '15. EPA at the Governor's introduced. Gaming Board at the Governor's introduced and the Independent Tax Tribunal, same as the Governor's introduced for a 102 thousand cut from Fiscal Year '15. And, with that, I'll be happy to answer any questions."

"The Chair recognizes Representative Brown."

"Thank you, Representative. The Chair recognizes Representative Sandack."

"The Sponsor indicates that he will yield."

"Under CMS the group health insurance… the Governor had a recommended amount. Ron, we went along with that."

"Yes."

"What I mentioned to the Governor's staff is that a lot of the assumptions under his proposed Bill…"

"We're going to have to wait and see. He's going to have to have to negotiate that so, we’re going to have to wait and see if he can achieve that savings. It's the same thing with the pension Bill."

"If I may, we've been hearing about this process since…"

"…a long time. Let me tell you. Let me tell you what I think and let me tell you why I think what I think, Ron. According to the Webster's Dictionary… listen carefully. According to the Webster's Dictionary, the definition of process is a series of actions that produce something or that lead to a particular result. Now, that means the process is not an end in itself. It's a means to an end. Agreed? The process is a big issue here. I mean, let's make this very clear. Would you agree that this is just a means to an end?"

"Okay. So, we've been talking about history here. I'm not going to go that far back. I'm going to go back four years now. Let's talk about the process. We talked about above and below the line and since I've chaired this Appropriations Committee, we’ve agreed on that process with your side. We agreed on what the items above the line should be, again, individual income tax, corporate income tax, sales tax, other taxes, transfers or troughs in federal sources. We’ve also agreed on what the mandate expenditures line items should be: pensions, trip/group insurance, debt service, transfer outs, 09900055.docx 156  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015 Medicaid permanent lapse. And based on that we decided we're going to move forward. A couple years ago when we were working through this process, I'm not sure if you were here or you were still in the Senate, Leader, we asked your folks… okay, we've agreed on the line items. There was some disagreement on the value. What should they be? And we asked your folks, well, go back to leadership, come back to us, let us know so we can move forward. We waited and waited."

"Thank you, Members. Please bring the noise level down."

"And that's exactly what we heard. Nothing. So, we figured we need to move the process along and we did that. Last year, if you recall, former Governor Quinn introduced a recommended budget and a not recommended budget. As you can pretty much imagine, when we ran the recommended budget, I figured… it was very predictable this side was going to along with it, but he also had a non-recommended budget. And the Speaker asked me, Fred, can you run the non-recommended budget? And I'm thinking to myself, this side's not going to vote for that. I know that. I figured your side would. Part of the process, you got to be one… for one or the other. We ran the Bill. I got five votes. I saw five votes out there and I'm like, okay, I'm going to see who the Republicans were who voted, who were the five. Plus me, I had to vote for my own Bill. I did that. The Speaker, I believe, voted for that Bill and I saw three other Democrats. They just felt sorry for me. They figured he's a nice guy, let's give him a 'yes' vote. I was disappointed. I felt I had more friends than that, but no Republican votes, part of the process. So, as you can see, we 09900055.docx 157  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015 begin to see a pattern, a trend, right? We were following the process that we keep talking about and it seems like the opinion here is that we want to reach the stage of paralysis by analysis. Let's not do anything. Let's just wait. This is the only Bill we have so far. We're looking at the clock. As I mentioned earlier, we were waiting to see what Bill or budget Bill you're going to introduce, and just like last year, Leader, there are two options. I can understand we’re not going to get support for this Bill. Let me ask you this. Are you going to vote for the Rauner budget Bill?"

"Okay. So, you…"

"This is a way to make sure, Ron, that the Governor's Administration understand what the needs of the state are. Let me tell you something. I've been part of one of these work groups with the Governor's Office on the budget implementation. We’ve had tenuity, a lot our arguing, we've had Members from your side, from the Senate. And we listen and we always make sure and they also agree with us, this is not a negotiation. Notwithstanding what Leader Radogno is saying that we're negotiating. We always understood. We're 09900055.docx 158  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015 not negotiating. They were trying to explain to us how they arrived to their budget. And I'll tell you this, even the Members on your side were scratching their head and like, wait a minute, that doesn't make any sense. We talk about the folks being buried, we can't afford it. And your Members were asking the Governor's Administration, well, what do you do with the bodies? Give us some logistics there. We'll send it back to the locals, let them figure it out. So, at some point we had these meetings, it was going nowhere. This is the best we can do so far."

"The Chair recognizes Representative Morrison."

"He indicates that he will."

"Actually, Representative Morrison, if I recall I did mention that they're being cut flat to Fiscal Year '15. There's no increase for the Arts Council."

"Well, if we have time. You know, we'll see what the Speaker decides."

Speaker Turner: "The Chair recognizes Representative Davidsmeyer."

"The Sponsor indicates that he will."

"Well, you know, everything's relative here, Representative. When I compare general services and we're basically dealing with bureaucrats here, I compare that to human services and education, I would say this is not as important as some of the other committees. As I mentioned before too, we don't use all the money that's assigned to this committee. We left $10 million on the table to… hopefully, we can use for some of the other committees which I've deemed are more important than this one."

"I apologize. That was a question I missed…"

"Well, again, this is part of the process we talked about earlier. Listen, if we look at Governor Rauner's introduced… or quasi-introduced budget that one's out of whack by $3 billion too. So, here are your options. Either… we admit on this side, hey, this one's short. We just want to make sure that the administration…"

"…knew what the needs of middle class folks and what the needs of this state are 'cause we’ve heard different things out there. The option here is very clear. You can vote for this Bill or you can vote for Governor Rauner's introduced… or quasi-introduced budget."

"Representative, if what you're saying is that you're taking a gospel that there's going to be a savings of $2.2 billion under the Governor's…"

"…and that's part of the plan, what's the difference?" 09900055.docx 162  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015

"Well, neither has the Governor."

"So, let me ask you would it make the difference, would it be helpful… and not to say we're going to do this. If we were to accept, fine, we'll cash in on that 2 billion dollar savings that the Governor's proposing. I guess that would close the gap, right?"

"But that's… Okay. I'm a little bit confused now 'cause you brought that up as part of the Governor's plan."

"But it won't be realized."

"But it won't be realized."

"We're playing with monopoly money here. I mean, you even admitted yourself the $2.2 billion will not be realized and that's part of the Governor's plan."

"As I mentioned earlier, when we went through the line items here we were trying to go along with some of the 09900055.docx 163  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015 Governor's recommended cuts and on this one… and again, I repeat over 40 percent of what we have in this committee is going along with the Governor. We couldn't meet him at 50 percent, but that's pretty darn close."

"Well, part of the process here, Representative, is that we work on part of the process. The Senate will have to do the same thing and we're expecting to hear form the Governor. The Governor does have some tools, right, that he can avail himself of as we move this forward? He can put in a line item veto, a reduction veto. It'll come back to us. When it comes back to us let's have…"

"My plan is to continue working with our Governor, our leader, in a very bipartisan fashion and hopefully come up with some kind of agreement to just put this thing together as part of the process."

"No, as part of our process is following the legislative process which says we will work with the Governor's Office. He has some tools that he can use, right? And he might use those tools, Representative. It might came back to us and then we'll have that dialogue. We'll have the debate and we might go along with it, but it's part of the process. I repeat, five days left." 09900055.docx 164  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015

"I believe that we need to work together on this thing. As I mentioned before, just giving you a historical perspective, an observation, since I've been here, since I've chaired this appropriations committee, we go along with the process and at the umpteenth hour we get no support from that side. Maybe one of your colleagues does support one of our Bills in committee, but as we work through this process it seems like we get stuck and we just don't move forward. We need to cue something up there to move forward. I'm hoping that the Governor sees what we're talking about and uses the tools that he has available to him, and hopefully, we can find some kind of conclusion to this resolution."

"Representative Crespo to close."

"Okay. Well, thanks for the couple of questions that I had. I don't feel as special as Greg Harris by the way. And again, I should point out we keep talking about the process and I really know 'cause I do have some friends on the other 09900055.docx 165  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015 side that you don't believe in all the cuts that Governor Rauner's putting out there. He does have some tools that he can use moving forward. Balancing a budget on paper is the easiest thing, guys. You have your credits, your debits, your minuses, your pluses and on paper you balance those things. But there's this little thing that gets in the way, right, social responsibility, and you can't ignore that. We need to let this administration know that there's a social responsibility that we need to take into account, we need to factor into this budget. I submit to you that the budget he's proposed, which is the only other option you have right now besides this one, does not deal with the social responsibility aspects that we are sent here to work on. And with that, I'll ask for an 'aye' vote. Thank you."

"The question is shall House Bill 4158 pass? All in favor vote 'aye', all opposed vote 'nay'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Representative Mayfield. Mr. Clerk, please take the record. On a count of 63 voting 'yes', 52 voting 'no', and 0 voting 'present'. House Bill 4158, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Mr. Clerk, House Bill 4159. Representative Crespo. Please read the Bill."

"Representative Crespo." 09900055.docx 166  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015

"Thank you, Speaker. The Floor Amendment #1 includes the budget appropriations for the Governor's Office, Lieutenant Governor, the Attorney General, Auditor General, Comptroller, General Assembly, Legislative Support, Secretary of State, the Treasurer. And with that, I'll be glad to talk more about this on Third."

"The Gentleman moves for the adoption of Floor Amendment #1 to House Bill 4159. All in favor say 'aye', all opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it and the Amendment is adopted. Mr. Clerk."

"Representative Crespo."

"I move that the note is inapplicable."

"Representative Sandack on the Motion."

"The Sponsor will yield."

"Well, as I mentioned before, Leader Sandack, House Bill 4159 as Amended does not reach that threshold of what we see as revenue right now, number one." 09900055.docx 167  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015

"Okay."

"There's some supplemental here, but it's not a supplemental by definition, Leader Sandack."

"This is…"

"This is just a House Amendment to the appropriation Bills for Fiscal Year '16."

"No."

"You all heard the Gentleman's Motion. All in favor will vote 'aye'; all opposed will vote 'nay'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? 09900055.docx 168  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015 Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, please take the record. On a count of 67 voting 'yes', 48 voting 'no', and 0 voting 'present'. The Gentleman's Motion carries and the note is deemed inapplicable. Mr. Clerk."

"Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, please read House Bill 4159 for a third time."

"Representative Crespo."

"Thank you, Speaker, Members of the House. House Bill 4159 includes the Governor's Office and we left that at the Governor's requested amount, Lieutenant Governor's Office at their requested amount for that as well, Attorney General's Office at the same level as Fiscal Year '15, Auditor General at the same level as Fiscal Year '15, Comptroller Fiscal Year '15 and we also have the court reports are funded through PPRT. The General Assembly is funded as we did in Fiscal Year '15. Legislative Support Services, same as Fiscal Year '15 except the Legislative Audit Commission, there's a decrease of 21,500 and the Reference Bureau, an increase of 92 thousand for operations. The Secretary of State, same as Fiscal Year '15 and the Treasurer's Office, same as Fiscal Year '15 with the only exception that we included $2 million from other state funds as seed money for the Secured Choice Program, which by statute, they have to reimburse back to that other state fund, and I'll be happy to answer any questions."

"The Chair recognizes Representative McSweeney." 09900055.docx 169  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015

"Chair recognizes Representative Sandack."

"Chair recognizes Representative Morrison."

"He indicates that he will."

"My understanding, Representative, as part of the process he can veto the Bills once they get to his desk. He can also… has the availability of a line item veto and a reduction veto as well."

"Listen, you know, what he wants to do… I can't tell Governor Rauner what to do. It's part of the process. I'm just telling you what tools he has available and there's a chance that some of these might be coming back under that scenario that we might have this dialogue, and we might be in agreement with some of his ideas. I don't know."

"I can't speak for my side. I do have an opinion. I am concerned that the more time we spend here in Springfield, the more dangerous we are. But that's just my personal opinion, Representative."

"Representative Crespo to close."

"Thank you, Speaker. I just ask for an 'aye' vote." 09900055.docx 172  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015

"The question is, 'Shall House Bill 4159 pass?' All in favor vote 'aye', all opposed vote 'nay'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, please take the record. On a count of 64 voting 'yes', 51 voting 'no', 0 voting 'present'. House Bill 4159, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Mr. Clerk, House Bill 4160. Representative Crespo. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"Representative Crespo."

"Thank you, Speaker. Floor Amendment #1 for House Bill 4160 deals with the appropriations for DCEO, the Abraham Lincoln Presidential Library & Museum, Insurance, Labor Relations, Lottery, DNR, and the Historic Preservation Agency. I'll be more than happy to discuss these in detail on Third."

"The Gentleman moves for the adoption of Floor Amendment #1 to House Bill 4160. All in favor say 'aye', all opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it and the Amendment is adopted. Mr. Clerk."

"Third Reading. Mr. Clerk, House Bill 4160. Please read the Bill."

"Representative Crespo."

"Thank you, Speaker. I will start out with DCEO. DCEO we are funding in this plan at a higher level than the Governor's introduced but less than Fiscal Year '15. The additional funds are for more job training. We also felt that we should keep tourism level funded to 2015. Under the Governor's proposal, his cut would mean a 22 percent cut to our convention and tourism bureaus which we believe and the Governor believes too that they're doing a fantastic job. We also kept the LIHEAP funding here at Fiscal Year '15. I'll be more than happy to talk a little bit more about that in a bit. The Abraham Lincoln Presidential Library & Museum is at the same other state level as the Governor's introduced. We did keep it outside of the Historic Preservation Agency. Insurance is at the same as the Governor's introduced as well as Labor Relations and the Lottery also at the Governor's introduced. DNR we left at the Governor's introduced for a 9 million 444 thousand cut from Fiscal Year '15, and we have the Historic Preservation Agency at the same level as Fiscal Year '15 and separate from the Abraham Lincoln Library & Museum. The biggest challenge for us with these Bills was DCEO. Under DCEO's plan, they have to pass close to… 80 or 90 percent of what they need has to go through legislation. We haven't seen anything yet. There were some concerns as I mentioned before on the tourism items, so we made sure that we kept that flat. And we strongly, strongly disagreed with DCEO and the Governor's Office on eliminating the LIHEAP program, and in turn, place a tax on gas meters and electric meters and 09900055.docx 174  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015 utility consumption to subsidize GRF. I'd be more than happy to answer any questions."

"Chair recognizes Representative Sandack."

"The Sponsor indicates that he will yield."

"No."

"You know, he has a mind of his own."

"And… and… you know…"

"Again, I haven't talked to the Senator. I'm not sure where he stands on these issues. We disagree on a lot of things and we agree on some other things."

"I have someone like two seats away from me who feels that way. We're good friends."

"Yeah. We'll leave it at that."

"Chair recognizes Representative Morrison."

"Chair recognizes Representative Mautino."

"Thanks. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"The Sponsor indicates that he will yield."

"Fred, the DNR budget… a couple years ago we passed the sustainability Bill. There were five funds there which were in the red. They were going towards bankruptcy. We put fees and structures and we dedicated that money. In the course of the cuts to DNR, was any of that money used or is it going now to the best of your knowledge where we expected that money to go?"

"Thank you, Leader Mautino. By the way, you did a great job a couple years ago. I know that wasn't an easy Bill. I did ask the director, specifically, about your Bill and the fees that were built into it and he assured me that under his budget proposal, they're not going to touch those funds at all. So, those funds will be used as their earmark for whatever it was their earmark for. But he assured me that with a $9 million cut in his budget that it wouldn't be impacting the Bill that you passed a couple years ago."

"Thank you and I do have a… I received a confirmation from the department just a few minutes ago on there that the $23 million is in the five separate funds. They are going ahead with their capital programs, their parks, their road improvements in assisting the work. So, I appreciate that you were mindful of that when you put that budget together. I 09900055.docx 177  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015 rise in support of your spending plan and/or portion of a budget going forward for DNR and the agencies under general services. I think it's very important that we move on with this process to some of the counts since my name has been used in debate a number of times. I would also like to just state that any of these appropriation Bills, by definition, to the Bill, are spending plans. We have the right, the responsibility to adjust them, to interpret them as they go along. The Governor's budget, as I said, back from April 12 when we met and we discussed the pending Supreme Court ruling was $2.2 billion out of whack, fatally flawed and with that determination, a reckless proposal. If you look at the health insurance program, the 700 million in anticipation savings I do hope that he gets some of that dollars. I think through the negotiation process he will, but that money is not there. Local distributive funds, $634 million anticipated savings. I don't know if you intend to vote against all of your cities and put their budgets in crisis. If you do then that money can be used. If you can't, it is a false savings. The Governor's introduced budget, by action of the Supreme Court, not action of his, but by action of the Supreme Court is 2.2 irresponsibly underfunded by action of the court. It cannot be used. If we put it on the board and you voted for it, it would be a false vote on your part of monies which cannot materialize nor can another billion dollars in savings and counted. So, you may talk about imbalanced budgets. The Governor's budget was fatally flawed by ruling and by design. If I put it on the board it would receive 'no' votes and should not. We need a negotiated budget which starts with an 09900055.docx 178  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015 appropriation Bill, a spending plan, and a recognition that there are further cuts needed, but there must be revenues. And so, we will go forward in the next couple days and put forward a spending plan otherwise known as an appropriation Bill. Look it up. That's what it is. It is our responsibility. It is our right as coequal Members. And for your information, I'm very proud of this chamber in the last five years going back to when the income tax was passed we changed the way we did budgets. Had Representative Harris and Bradley and this Body and all the Republican and Democratic Approp Members not met for hours on end, you would be looking at $16 billion in old bills. One of every two dollars would be sitting there and unavailable to be used for what you care about. So, in the course of those budgets we paid down close to $6 billion in old bills. We will pay down 500 million more this year. Those groups worked together, and though, it was Democrat only budgets that passed them, the work product was good. And it put us in a position to know that, one, we can do these things, we can pass these budgets, and that we should. And so with that, I will support the appropriation spending Bill and those to follow, and I would hope that this Body and our Leaders on the 2nd Floor would act responsibly since the only proposals from both sides and both floors are $4 billion off. So, that rhetoric is wasted, absolutely wasted and the reality is we have a job to do and a short amount of time to do it, and we have the capability that we have shown in the past that we can do it. It will be difficult, but this is one step in the process and it should continue. Good luck with your Bill, Fred." 09900055.docx 179  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015

"Please bring the noise level down, Members. Thank you. Representative Crespo to close."

"Thank you, Speaker. A couple of points. I don't want to belabor over much on this, but I mentioned earlier just looking at history, going back a couple years that we’ve worked on the process together. We’ve agreed on certain things, but when push comes to shove we couldn't get support on passing Bills in the past. There were always excuses or whatever have you. I ran a not recommended Bill last year… not recommended budget that Governor Quinn had introduced which was not even half as bad as what Governor Rauner wants. And again, we heard excuses why they couldn't support that. You've got to stand for something and right now this is all we have on the table. I repeat, we have five days left. If you file a Bill tomorrow morning, early tomorrow morning, run it through committee it might have a hearing on the House Floor tomorrow. We have to send it over to the Senate. We're up to three days. So, we're getting very close so we need to do something. I've heard talk about this turnaround agenda and I have to be honest with you, there are some things on the turnaround agenda that I like, but that's a long term process. Government by design moves very slowly, moves incrementally. So, I think we need to have that discussion on the turnaround agenda. Some of the items that are there, but for the sake of argument, even if the Governor had his way and got all those items in place tomorrow, it doesn't address Fiscal Year '16 budget. We can't hold these guys hostage. People out there are fearful of what's going on for many reasons. They're concerned 'cause they read the paper, they 09900055.docx 180  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015 hear all the rhetoric, they hear about the cuts. They have nowhere else to go. So again, five days… I hope at some point that the Governor gets more engaged with his administration and we make something happen. I'm not advocating for tax increase. What I'm advocating for is that we work together with both sides and the Governor's Office to come up with some kind of solution for the welfare, for the betterment of the people that live in this state, and the state that we all love very much. So with that, I please ask for an 'aye' vote."

"The question is, 'Shall House Bill 4160 pass? All in favor vote 'aye'; all opposed vote 'nay'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, please take the record. On a count of 65 voting 'yes', 50 voting 'no', 0 voting 'present', House Bill 4160, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Mayfield, for what reason do you seek recognition?"

"I stand on a point of personal privilege."

"Please proceed, Representative."

"Myself, as Chair of the Legislative Black Caucus along with…"

"…Lisa Hernandez as co-chair of the Latino Caucus."

"We would just like to remind everybody or re-invite everybody out for soul and…"

"…salsa!"

"After a long day we know you guys are going to need some nourishment. We've got soul food. We've got Spanish food. It's going to be a fun filled evening." 09900055.docx 181  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015

"It's… I think it'll be a fun way to blow off that steam that we’ve been keeping in here. How about it?"

"Absolutely. And I just want to draw everybody's attention to the ladies in pink the gallery. Can you please stand? The Elite Striders. That's our entertainment for tonight. They are here and ready to perform. Welcome. They are from Waukegan in the North Chicago area."

"Let's go have some fun now."

"Thank you, Representatives and welcome to your Capitol. Leader Lang in the Chair."

"I love you guys, too. House Bill 4153. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"May we adopt the Amendment? Those in favor of the Amendment say 'yes', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it and the Amendment is adopted. Mr. Clerk."

"Third Reading. Please read the Bill."

"Mr. Arroyo."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. House Bill 4153 is an FY16 budget for the Department of Corrections, Appellate Defender, Appellate Prosecutor, Capital Development Board. The Appellate Defender and Prosecutor were held flat at FY15's post-supplemental level. All lines that did not acquire GRF 09900055.docx 182  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015 funding were held at a level recommended by the agencies. The Capital Development Board is an agency that is not funded with general revenue funds and it is at the level that was presented by the agency. The Department of Corrections appropriation is $33 million higher than FY15 supplemental levels. This increase is less than the agency's recommended increase and is intended to go towards the improvement of mental health services and correctional officers among other things. I'll answer any questions."

"Mr. Sandack. The Sponsor yields."

"You're talking about last year when you put it on YouTube?"

"We're hoping to sit down with the Governor and your side to try to come up with a comprehensive budget to be able to pass it."

"That's a good try, Ron. It ain't working."

"But, you know what, you and me can sit down in a private room and we'll talk about it. So, I could really… kind of really talk about what I want to talk about."

"It won't be romantic."

"No, it's different… it's a different year."

"It's a different year, so everything's different every year here."

"We're going to try to sit down and negotiate some revenue stream or revenue source so we can pay for it."

"We got some of the money, not all the money."

"…but if I didn't know, you're going to tell me so…"

"You know what, Ron… Ron, I'm going to think about it."

"Right now."

"All right. I thought about it. No thanks, no." 09900055.docx 184  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015

"Those in favor of the Gentleman's Bill will vote 'yes'; opposed 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Anthony, Bryant, Thapedi. Please take the record, Mr. Clerk. On this question, there are 63 voting 'yes', 51 voting 'no'. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 4154. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"Those in favor of the Amendment will say 'yes'; opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it and the Amendment is adopted. Mr. Clerk." 09900055.docx 185  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015

"Third Reading. Please read the Bill."

"Mr. Arroyo."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. House Bill 4154 is an FY16 budget for the Illinois Criminal Justice Information Authority and the Illinois Emergency Management Agency. ICJ operational line was held flat out of FY15 post-supplemental levels. CeaseFire, Bullying Prevention, Franklin County meth were all held flat at FY15 post-supplemental levels. There were two increases made in this budget. There was $1.5 million made to the adult redeploy line and there is a 12.5 million dollar appropriation for YouthBuild programs. The Illinois Emergency Management Agency is at the level presented by this agency. I'll answer any questions."

"The Sponsor yields to Mr. Sandack."

"There's an increase of 1.5 million."

"No, you're right. You're correct…"

"You're correct. You got… with the 12.5 and the 1.5 to YouthBuild. It was 12.5 million and then 1.5 for redeploy."

"Excuse me, Ron?"

"YouthBuild has been funded before. We have 12 agencies now operational mostly downstate, several of them in the City of Chicago and we're looking to increase this because this is a jobs bill and summer program, GED programing, and it's a good program that's in statute and a lot of Members on your side and a lot of our Members like this program."

"No."

"It's gotten federally funded. It's not funded by the state. You are correct."

"No, it's not a pass through."

"Yes."

"Those in favor of the Bill will vote 'yes'; opposed 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Bryant, Thapedi. Please take the record. On this question, there are 63 voting 'yes', 52 voting 'no'. And 09900055.docx 187  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015 this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 4146. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"Those in favor of the Amendment will say 'yes', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it and the Amendment is adopted. Mr. Clerk."

"Third Reading. Please read the Bill."

"Mr. Dunkin."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. House Bill 4146 simply appropriates money to our MAP program, our Monetary Award Program, here in the State of Illinois and I would encourage an 'aye' vote."

"Mr. Brady."

"Sponsor yields."

"According to this…"

"…this House Bill increases it to about $32 million, a little bit above that, $32,216,800."

"I came up with that figure from listening to countless hours of testimony from school administrators, faculty members in some cases, and a lot of us discussing and students discussing their lack of funds or attempt to receive additional dollars from the Monetary Award Program."

"Us in the entire committee, myself, yourself and other committee Members listening to countless hours of testimony here in the state's Capitol from January until now."

"Well, it was a combination of last week and this week."

"This is a… an amalgamation of conversations, meetings, and a thorough educational process from students, from faculty, from administrators, from all across the state on how it is that we should approach our year's funding as it relates to the Monetary Award Program."

"No, they helped inform an educated decision on this funding being increased." 09900055.docx 189  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015

"It's coming from a six and a half percent reduction to our state universities, a 5 percent reduction coming from our Board of Higher Education and the Illinois Community College Board."

"Correct. Yes, Sir."

"Mr. Pritchard."

"Sponsor yields."

"It's going to be used to improve allocation to about 15 thousand students. 15 thousand new students. So, we're going to break it out, for example, our estimate from the Illinois Student Assistance Commission is that 5 percent or roughly 750 students will come from proprietary schools. Another 59 percent will come from… which is the largest share, close to 09900055.docx 190  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015 60 percent will come from community colleges. For the private institutions about 14 percent or 2100 students and the lion's share or a large portion will come from public institutions at about 3300 or 22 percent of the additional revenue… from MAP."

"This is a part of the application process as they go to apply for… at ISAC."

"Based off of historical…"

"It's kind of heard to hear, Mr. Speaker."

"Representative, this is from ISAC or the Illinois Student Assistance Commission based on their historical use of the MAP or application process of the Monetary Award Program."

"Last year… this is going to help tremendously, Representative. Last year over 50 percent of the individuals who applied for the Monetary Award Program dollars were denied because there was no additional money." 09900055.docx 191  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015

"An additional 15 thousand."

"Yeah. Actually, this subsidizes a lot of… 60 percent of the new recipients will receive… will benefit from this monetary award new allocation or additional allocation of $32 million."

"At community colleges."

"By virtue of the fact because they apply it's an open entry process."

"So, when the money's there, we appropriate it."

"Yes." 09900055.docx 192  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015

"Representative Fine."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My big concern, being on the Higher Education Committee, is we are pricing our students in Illinois out of a higher education. If you are lower or middle class, you can no longer afford college and that's why it is so important that we put more money into the MAP program. ISAC came out with the Monetary Award Program Task Force Report and some of the findings I found startling. It said in 2002 the maximum award covered the average cost of tuition and fees at an Illinois public university. Today it covers about 37 percent of that cost. In 2002, MAP completely covered the cost of community college tuition and fees. Today the maximum award paid covers about half that cost. It attributes a substantial part of the tuition increase for public colleges and universities to declining state appropriations to that sector. Another very, what I found, profound statistic that this report said was the cost of a higher education is a very real barrier to access. It said that in 1970, it would take a student about five and a half 40 hour work weeks to pay for a year public college. Today it takes 36 weeks to pay for that same year. So, in return, we are pricing these lower income students out of a college education and that's why I support increasing the MAP funding."

"Mr. Wehrli."

"Sponsor yields."

"Fantastic. And yourself?"

"You're welcome."

"Can you repeat your question, Sir?"

"Yes, we heard from them, but as you know, those issues traditionally have not been a part of the appropriations process. Going forward, I would be happy to review and sit down and look at them and make a decision with you."

"Yes."

"$48.2 million."

"$48.2 million."

"You math is incorrect."

"It's $1.899.2 billion."

"Yes, yes, in that context."

"Yes."

"Those in favor of the Bill will vote 'yes'; opposed 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Please take the record. On this question, there are 65 voting 'yes', 49 voting 'no', 1 voting 'present'. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, 09900055.docx 195  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015 is hereby declared passed. Mr. Clerk, House Bill 4147. Please read the Bill."

"Those in favor of the Amendment will say 'yes', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it and the Amendment is adopted. Mr. Clerk."

"Third Reading. Please read the Bill."

"Mr. Dunkin."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 4147 is an appropriations Bill that appropriates dollars to the Illinois Board of Higher Education, the Illinois Math & Science Academy, the University of Illinois, and Southern Illinois University. And I would ask for a favorable vote."

"Mr. Pritchard. Sponsor yields."

"This is on the Bill on Third Reading, Sir. The Amendment's been adopted."

"Mr. Batinick."

"Sponsor yields."

"Can I explain what a full-time equivalent is?"

"It's a student who sits for at least 12 hours in class."

"Can you indulge me?"

"No, can you educate me, Sir?"

"Yes."

"Representative, this Bill is about us coming up with a spending plan for our Illinois institutions of higher education."

"I don't recall. It was a while ago."

"Representative Ammons."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. To the Bill. I really appreciate the Chairman of Higher Education hearing from me as a new Member of the House. When I was informed of the proposed 31 percent cut to the University of Illinois's budget I knew immediately that there was a lot of work that I needed to do as a new Member. And although, I would love to see a budget for the university that does not include any of these cuts, I do applaud the Higher Education Approps Committee for working diligently to reduce what was being proposed that, in essence, decimate public universities. I hear our colleagues speaking about the need to make it affordable. Reducing its budget drastically does not make it affordable. Reducing it even in this seemingly small percentage still makes it difficult for public universities to ultimately reduce tuition rates. We all, I believe, want affordable public education for all of the constituents in our state. This gets 09900055.docx 200  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015 us part of the way, but certainly, not where we need to be. Truly, the national average is not what we should compare to because we are not funding education at the level that we should be funding for an industrialized nation. So, I truly, truly respect the Chairman of Higher Ed Approp and thank him for listening to me, as a new Member, raise the issue of this cut and coming up with something that our university can at least work with and I appreciate him for that."

"Representative Hammond."

"Sponsor yields."

"Representative, you were the former spokesperson for the last couple of years."

"This budget really built itself over the years from… we drew off of a number of factors. One of the factors was 2015's budget, 2014's budget, and preceding years before that. MAP utilization, how our state agencies such as Illinois Board of Higher Education, the Illinois Community College Board really has developed itself over the years, but what we’ve done was take sort of a combination of testimony, years of 09900055.docx 201  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015 communication and education of what it is that we need to be doing for our higher education was when… that's how we came up with this. This budget, by the way, is dramatically low compared to what we should be investing in our institutions of higher education. And so, although the Governor wanted a 31.5 percent reduction in all the state universities, a 50 percent in all of the… the entire budget of the Illinois Board of Higher Education, we came up with compromised, educated reduction, of six and a half percent even though we've been funding our institutions of higher education for the last ten years at about a 2003 level and this is 2015. So, a cut of two and a quarter earlier in the post-supplemental and now with this six and a half percent cut on top of this two and a quarter percent reduction brings it up close to ten percent. So, myself and you, we're not proud of or shouldn't be proud of how we've been funding all of our state's schools that we so love and brag and talk about, we celebrate as alumni. So, this number here is an educated number based off of last year's numbers and preceding numbers and how we have taken upon what the Governor requested of us and making some cuts compared to a complete annihilation or devastation by cutting each university… each university by a third. And so, that's how we came up with this educated, intelligent budget that's relatively conservative in light of what the pressure points have been from these state university presidents and their CFOs. So, this is an educated, built-up-to number close to $2 billion in an allocation. So, is it responsible 100 percent? Absolutely not. I think we should be funding more in our institutions." 09900055.docx 202  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015

"Representative, former spokesperson to the committee, I believe I responded to that question. We… this number was built up over the years. So, last year we were close to… or at roughly $2 billion. We reduced it by six and a half percent. So, we've always hovered around 2 billion, a little bit under. The highest since I've been Chair has been up to $2.2 billion. So, we're within the same ballpark over the years that, again, through an educational process of our presidents, the CFOs of these state institutions and intelligent education from the Illinois Board of Higher Education, Illinois Community College Board, what we’ve been informed on over the years with the Monetary Award Program. This number, this budget reflects that type of financial dynamic, and yet it's still low as far as I'm concerned."

"Representative, that's not true and I don't want to entertain, you know, this too deeply, but you along with my 09900055.docx 203  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015 other colleagues on both sides of the aisle were very actively communicated with in work groups and formal committee hearings as, you know, by listening to every president, students. So, it was an open process and we didn't shy away from ideas or suggestions. As a matter of fact, I asked the Minority Spokesperson today in the Higher Education Appropriations Committee for suggestions. I asked you. I asked Members on this side of the aisle multiple questions on how it is… what it is that we need to do in light of the Governor's proposal of thirty-one and a half percent cut to all of our state institutions. So, I want to make sure we get the record straight. I'm not going to be a part of not voting or supporting to appropriate our state institutions. Now, most of us on the committee represent either a large scale community college or a major university. I can't imagine myself and I don't believe most Members on that side of the aisle as well would vote against a Western Illinois University, a University of Illinois, a Northern Illinois. Can you imagine voting against their budget, Representative? I can't. This budget, at least, funds those institutions. I cannot… if I were representing Northern Illinois, Eastern Illinois University, Western Illinois University, where you represent, and then to vote against their school's budget. Can you imagine the outrage that students and faculty who are active voters, active constituents would feel on you voting against their budget? Would you do that, Representative? I wouldn't. I'm not going to do that. Those students are paying attention to this budget, Representative. They're going to see who is voting for or against their budget." 09900055.docx 204  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015

"Representative Hammond."

"Representative Wallace."

"Will the Sponsor yield?"

"Sponsor yields."

"I simply want to ask what other avenues of funding… so, as we start to remove money from our state institutions, what options are we leaving them?"

"Very few options."

"And which student populations do you think are going to be most impacted by these types of cuts?"

"Well, all across the board all of our students in the community colleges, some of our veterans, our universities, our private sector, you know, we're benefiting our MAP students which is pretty much 80 plus percent of our schools. So, all of our students are going to be impacted. Hopefully, you know, not too much compared to what the Governor proposed at thirty-one and a half percent."

"So, we've heard a lot of discussion about where Illinois ranks in terms of the cost of education, but are you aware that Illinois actually outperforms the nation in terms of degree attainment for two-year and four-year degrees?" 09900055.docx 205  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015

"Yes."

"And would you think that that's a result of our commitment to appropriating funds for state institutions?"

"Yes."

"Well, thank you, Sponsor. To the Bill. We understand that education is a great equalizer in our state and in our nation. And I do encourage individuals here in this chamber to 1) actually pay attention to how important this debate is. And 2) vote to make sure that we are funding our state institutions so that our children will be able to stay in our state, will contribute to our economy and be successful. Thank you."

"Representative Ives."

"Sponsor yields."

"Yes."

"Not thoroughly, I was preparing for this appropriations budget."

"Of course not, of course not."

"Of course not." 09900055.docx 207  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015

"No, I'm not, Representative. You know, for this purpose here, we're talking about appropriating dollars for our institutions of higher education. I support…"

"Representative, no…"

"That's not the case. Representative, now you're not on the Appropriation for Higher Education Committee, correct?"

"Okay. So, I've chaired it for four years. I've sat on it for eight plus years. I can tell you, line by line, in most instances of where the dollars are going to go towards. Now what we did in support of the Governor's request was to give each university a lump sum to try to manage how it expends the state's dollars. So, I don't have a problem with reform of the pension Bill, by the way that I voted 'yes' for. I 09900055.docx 208  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015 don't have a problem with worker's compensation at the university level. I don't have a… which I voted for about five years or so ago. I don't have a problem with the maintenance of the facilities of any of these particular institutions. So, I support that and I voted capital Bill a few years ago as well to support just that. So, I'm all in. My record speaks for itself. That's what I've done in my tenure here, Representative. So, you and I, in that regard, are on the exact same page. So, I'm with it, but right now, here on this floor with House Bill 4147, we're talking about appropriating dollars to several state institutions including the Illinois Board of Higher Education, Southern Illinois University, University of Illinois, and Math & Science Academy. That's what's before us in this respective appropriation Bill. So, I'm asking for you and your colleagues to support higher education."

"So, we're on the same page, Representative."

"Mr. Kay."

"Sponsor yields."

"You know, it's a little noisy in here. Can you repeat that, Representative?"

"Representative, yes, I'm aware of them."

"I'm aware of that."

"Correct."

"It is a problem."

"Yes."

"What are they? They're high. They're expensive at all of our state universities."

"Representative, if you have the information just share it with us. I don't have every university's…"

"Is anybody aware of that or concerned about that? I am."

"Representative, I'm speaking of… talking about the bare minimum of what these universities can spend. That's the subject here before us. As I articulated to Representative Jeanne Ives, I am just as concerned about liability issues, worker's comp, maintenance, facility maintenance too… our pension costs of our universities. I wish that was a part of this discussion, Representative. As a matter of fact, myself, you and other colleagues here in this chamber and across the hall. That's what we're going to do in working together. I am looking… I am so looking forward to trying to resolve some of these exceptionally expense costs, up to a thousand dollars in increase in liability, worker's compensation, pension costs, maintenance on the facilities out there."

"I am anxiously awaiting."

"Representative, I want to be a part of the solution as you do. I don't have answers for some, you know, of the 09900055.docx 211  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015 political, rhetorical questions, but I do know that this budget here is a safer bet compared to what the Governor proposed at thirty-one a half percent. We're only at six and a half percent per university."

"Can you repeat that? I couldn't hear you."

"Representative, do share. I would love to hear them."

"No."

"Those in favor of the Bill will vote 'yes'; opposed 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Cabello, Poe, Sosnowski, Yingling. Please take the record. On this question, there are 64 voting 'yes', 54 voting 'no'. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 4148, please read the Bill."

"Those in favor of the Amendment will say 'yes'; opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it and the Amendment is adopted. Mr. Clerk."

"Third Reading. Please read the Bill."

"Mr. Dunkin."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 4148 is an appropriations Bill for Eastern Illinois University, Illinois State University, Northern Illinois University, Western Illinois University, and the Illinois Student Assistance Commission to receive the new… the additional monetary award monies. Excuse me, MAP was in 09900055.docx 213  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015 another Bill. But this is for the Illinois Student Commission's budget."

"Mr. Brady."

"Sponsor yields."

"Northern."

"Northern Illinois University."

"Yes."

"Representative, you're reading a small portion of that entire letter."

"A very small portion."

"So, here's the other part of that letter that you didn't read. Each one of those nine university presidents asked for level funding because over the last ten years we have not funded them to the rate of inflation, the cost of doing business in the 21st century. We have not done that, Representative. Now, I know I'm not going to be on the side voting against Illinois State University or Western Illinois University or Eastern Illinois University or Northern Illinois University or the Illinois Student Assistance Commission. Can you imagine, me, as an elected official, representing those districts voting 'no' against those 09900055.docx 215  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015 particular universities' or institutions' budget? I can't imagine especially if I represent them."

"I'd be very… I mean, I think it's political suicide if you represent, let's say, for example, Illinois State University, Northern Illinois University, Eastern Illinois University, Western Illinois University voting against my own constituents. Voting to say 'no' against funding the very constituents that we represent."

"Representative, I'm simply doing what the Legislative Body's intent is and that's to come up with an appropriation amount to the Executive Body. Now…"

"Somebody told me to do what?"

"Representative, I am coming up with a budget that students, that faculty, and that the lead administrators and trustees have educated myself and Members such as yourself on the committee on what we should be doing. Remember, they don't want any reductions."

"They don't."

"Certainly, not thirty-one and a half percent that was proposed back in February or March, Representative."

"Representative, I'm trying to follow the edict of all of those individuals who testified before us. And as a matter of fact, Representative, I'm waiting on you to vote for a budget of higher education. I'm waiting on Members across the aisle to vote for a budget of higher education. You've said 'no' since I've been the Chair. You voted 'no' on Bills to fund the very schools that you represent. Now, I'm not personally trying to attack you. I'm making a point of reference. At some point, the rubber has to meet the road. We have to appropriate dollars to our state institutions. Don't you agree?"

"If you read the rest of the letter you'll see what the universities want."

"Representative Gordon-Booth."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. To the Bill. In 2012, there was a task force that was set forth by this General Assembly. It was the Monetary Award Program Task Force and that Bill… excuse me, that task force had several findings after significant work that they did looking at state funding to our state universities. And instead of pontificating on what I think they mean or what the executive summary came up with I'll just simply read it to you. In 2002, the maximum award covered the average cost of tuition and fees at an Illinois public university. Today, in FY13, it covers 37 percent of that cost. In 2002, MAP completely covered the cost of community college tuition and fees. Today, the maximum award 09900055.docx 218  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 55th Legislative Day 5/26/2015 covers just about 51 percent of the cost. A substantial part of the tuition increase for public colleges and universities has been driven by declining state appropriations to those sectors. Let me repeat that. The substantial part of tuition increases for public universities has been driven by declining state appropriations to those sectors. Another very key, important portion of these findings from this task force was that no amount of rearranging of existing MAP dollars is going to correct a fundamental problem of underfunding. The cost of higher education is a very real barrier to access. In 1970, it would take a student about 5.5 40-hour work weeks to pay for one year at a public college. Today, it takes 36 weeks to pay for that same year. It is no longer possible for a low income student, let me say that again, no longer possible for a low income student to work his or her way through college without assistance and attend full time. So, Representative, I thank you for the Bill that you have brought forth. You are looking at ways to add taxpayers to our tax rolls. I appreciate your work and the efforts of this committee. I urge an 'aye' vote."

"Those in favor of the Bill will vote 'yes'; opposed 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Please take the record. On this question, there 64 voting 'yes', 50 voting 'no', 1 voting 'present'. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Mr. Clerk, Committee Announcements."

"And now, leaving Perfunctory time for the Clerk, Leader Currie moves that the House stand adjourned until Wednesday, May 27 at the hour of 11 a.m. Those in favor say 'yes'; opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it and the House does stand adjourned until Wednesday, May 27 at the hour of 11 a.m."