Illinois House Floor Debate — May 18, 2016

"The House will be in rder. We shall be led in prayer today by Pastor Walter L. Mosby, III who is with Greater Faith Baptist Church in Chicago Heights. Pastor Mosby is the guest of Representative DeLuca. Members and guests are asked to refrain from starting their laptops, turn off cell phones, and rise for the invocation and Pledge of Allegiance. Pastor Mosby."

"Be led in the Pledge by Mr. Meier."

"Roll Call for Attendance. Leader Currie."

"Thank you, Speaker. Please let the record show that Representatives Ford and Monique Davis are excused today."

"Mr. Brown."

"Mr. Clerk, please take the record. We have 115 Members answering the roll and we do have a quorum. Mr. Clerk."

"Chair recognizes Representative Hammond."

"Go right ahead."

"Welcome to the House chamber. We'll try to do that smoothly for you. Mr. D'Amico is recognized."

"Please proceed."

"Somebody pull out an extra-large for me. Mr. Sommer is recognized."

"Please proceed, Sir."

"Welcome to the House chamber. Thank you for being with us today. Mr. Morrison."

"Go right ahead."

"Welcome. Representative Bellock."

"Go right ahead."

"Welcome to all of you and thank you for joining us today. Representative Williams."

"Point of personal privilege."

"Go ahead."

"I wanted to take a moment to announce my Page for the day, her name is Tessa Sheridan and she… as you can tell from her t-shirt… is from one of my amazing, fabulous elementary schools Hamilton Elementary. These kids are working so hard, the parents committed, the teachers amazing. Let's do what we can to fund CPS schools fairly."

"Thank you, Representative, for the commercial announcement. Welcome to the House chamber. Ladies and Gentlemen, we're proceeding from where we left off yesterday on the Calendar. Page 9 of the Calendar, Senate Bills-Second Reading. The first Bill on this list is Senate Bill 2944, Mr. Brady. Mr. Brady. Please read the Bill."

"Third Reading. Se… Senate Bill 2947, Mr. Anthony. Mr. Anthony. Out of the record. Senate Bill 2956, Representative Williams. Please read the Bill."

"Third Reading. Senate Bill 2970, Representative Lilly. Please read the Bill." 09900132.docx 7  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 132nd Legislative Day 5/18/2016

"Third Reading. Senate Bill 2972, Mr. Davis. Please read the Bill."

"Third Reading. Senate Bill 2974, Representative Hurley. Please read the Bill."

"Third Reading. Senate Bill 2975, Mr. Costello. Please read the Bill."

"Third Reading. Senate Bill 2994, Mr. McSweeney. Please read the Bill."

"Third Reading. Senate Bill 3003, Mr. Costello. Please read the Bill." 09900132.docx 8  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 132nd Legislative Day 5/18/2016

"Mr. Costello on the Amendment."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the Body. The Amendment would allow for a box that checks off turkey hunting for landowners on the same form where you currently have landowner deer permits."

"Those in favor of the Amendment say 'yes'; opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Mr. Clerk."

"Third Reading. Senate Bill 3005, Representative Cassidy. Please read the Bill."

"Third Reading. Senate Bill 3007, Representative Hernandez. Out of the record. Senate Bill 3034, Representative Mayfield. Representative Mayfield. Please read the Bill."

"Third Reading. Senate Bill 3129, Mr. Anthony. Please read the Bill." 09900132.docx 9  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 132nd Legislative Day 5/18/2016

"Third Reading. Senate Bill 3164, Mr. Stewart. Please read the Bill."

"Third Reading. Senate Bill 3166. Please read the Bill."

"Third Reading. Senate Bill 3301, Mr. Fortner. Please read the Bill."

"Third Reading. Page 6 of the Calendar, Senate Bills-Third Reading. Senate Bill 2536, Representative Ammons. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"Representative Ammons."

"Thank you. These lovely Gentlemen who are visiting me this… in front of my desk. Thank you. Senate Bill 2536, this… the Child Care Worker Health Fund provides services to 3,500 child care providers. The overwhelming majority of these 09900132.docx 10  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 132nd Legislative Day 5/18/2016 providers are women, 99 percent of them are. These women are disproportionally women of color making up 47 percent of the workforce and many of them make less than $5 an hour after expenses. Low-income women and women of color face great health disparities of which this Bill will help to remedy. Governor Rauner's attempt to take away Child Care Workers Fund, if successful, would eliminate health care for thousands of women across Illinois. Senate Bill 2536 protects and defends against these attacks on the workers and specifically on women. This Bill also protects a central training for child care providers that help keeps children in their care safely, an important pathway to career advancement and economic opportunity for many of the women in this workforce. We ask today that the Members of the General Assembly work together to help to navigate this very serious market for women. Many of these workers are low-wage earners after expenses. And this Bill will help protect their health care and their training. And we urge an ‘aye’ vote in support of the women."

"Mr. Sandack."

"Mr. Sandack is as usual… sometimes correct. It's noisy in here. So, let's… let's pipe down, boys and girls. Mr. Sandack. Sponsor yields."

"Thank you." 09900132.docx 11  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 132nd Legislative Day 5/18/2016

"That's okay. No."

"Sa… say it one more time."

"This is actually mandated by Federal Law for us to provide the training that is in my Bill. This is already something that we have to do and so this is what the Bill codifies."

"Well, I think in this case that… this is on the chopping block unfortunately, as you know and the Governor's proposal to eliminate this is access point for the workers. And so, it's not protected from that… from that action from the Governor."

"This part of this Bill is to protect the workers, the child care workers who need actual health care, as well as, training dollars and that's what this Bill does."

"No."

"No. That portion is not covered by Federal Law…"

"…only what they have to train under is covered by Federal Law." 09900132.docx 12  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 132nd Legislative Day 5/18/2016

"The actual training modules are required."

"That is… that is a requirement. That training is a requirement."

"How you get it covered and paid for is not covered by law."

"The training is required federally."

"That is not required under Federal Law."

"I don't have that information on Federal Law. Yes. So, it's clarified that we are already committed to paying for this, the state is already committed to paying for the training that is required by Federal Law. This Bill allows that to be at a living wage of $15 as opposed to the $13 that's in there."

"I don't… no. There's no… the feds don't prescribe that right."

"Not for training, not under this. The Federal Government is not…"

"…prescribing the rate in this Bill."

"Thirteen."

"That's what DHS had indicated to SEIU is what they would be paying. That's what DHS indicated that that's what they would be paying. That's what they calculated."

"No, that's basically what they said that they offered in the contract."

"I think in this case it's not necessarily a matter of collective bargaining because what we see happening is the attempt to take away that requirement, the protection of health training, as well as, health care."

"I'm sorry. Say that one more time."

"No."

"I think in this case we are looking for an hourly wage that is fair for the worker…"

"…and for the women."

"Not necessarily, all though there has been some work around this issue and others that are much smaller labor contract organizations I'm told. But this is… this legislation would impact about 25 thousand workers."

"And so that's the goal."

"No."

"Well, actually, my great colleague just said yes. Black State Representatives, we’re in actual legislation. Salaries are actually in legislation for State Representatives, but no other… no other bargaining unit." 09900132.docx 15  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 132nd Legislative Day 5/18/2016

"No, not that I know of."

"Perhaps, this will be the first time."

"I… I mean, this legislation is set to codify health insurance and training."

"This is for the most…"

"…vulnerable in our sector. That’s what it does."

"Certainly this doesn't… the Governor can continue to work on whatever he's working on with the bargaining unit. But in this legislation it's to protect health… health insurance and training for these workers."

"Representative Bellock."

"Sponsor yields."

"This… the orientation training in this Bill mandates that orientation, as well as, the 11 items that are federally required are within the training…"

"…requirements of this Bill."

"Not… not relative caregivers, but everyone else."

"Nonrelative care… nonrelative providers."

"I think both options are available."

"Online, as well as, in person." 09900132.docx 17  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 132nd Legislative Day 5/18/2016

"So, they can do no more than 50 percent online so the rest has to be in person."

"Yes, it is annual."

"The cost of this one is just a little bit over 14 million."

"No. The… the projected amount that is given is $14,689,000 annually for the mandatory training."

"I think that's a projected cost not the actual current cost based on the numbers that exist currently."

"Oh, no, no. I'm sorry."

"I… I think when we were in committee we got 28 million at the time in committee; initially, we got 10 million, and then we got 28 million, and now you have 30. I think there is some numbers that are not taken into consideration to what they're already having to pay. And so, that may be the discrepancy between what you have and what we have."

"I… I'm sorry it…"

"…was a little unclear."

"Yes. So… I'm… just to clarify. This… this only codifies what is currently taking place. We're not changing any of the actual… what… the hours that they are currently covered under health insurance. This doesn't change it, it just codifies what currently takes place."

"So, it… it's the bargaining unit as a whole and it's not changing. I think the 25 hours might actually be the number of hours. I can clarify that, certainly."

“Thank you.”

"Thank you ver…."

"Representative Wallace."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"Sponsor yields."

"Can you… inform me again how many… what's the percentage or the proportion of individuals in this field who happen to be women?"

"Ninety nine percent." 09900132.docx 20  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 132nd Legislative Day 5/18/2016

"Okay. And… and we're talking about child care providers, correct?"

"Yes."

"So we're speaking about the individuals who are entrusted with our children zero through about 12 years old, depending on the type of program, correct?"

"Yes. Yes."

"Okay. And so they have to have a specific amount of training. And can you… do you have some of the topics that they are trained upon or… or trained on that would make them the people we would want to trust with our… our youngest citizens?"

"Some of the trainings that are mandatory in this is prevention and control of infection diseases, SIDS and use of safe sleep practices, administration of medication, prevention and response to food allergies, building physical premises for safety, prevention of shaken baby syndrome, abusive head trauma, emergency preparedness and response, and many others that are very serious important trainings."

"So would it be safe to say that these child care providers are on a pathway to being experts as opposed to your typical 13-or 14-year-old who's babysitting after school?"

"Certainly this… the preservice training and orientation training under this list and there are many others, provides the provider with the necessary information to keep the child safe in the home and how to respond in case of an emergency. And so, we want to make sure these workers are not only paid appropriately for that training that they can attend and 09900132.docx 21  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 132nd Legislative Day 5/18/2016 afford to attend, which is part of the impetus for this legislation."

"Okay. And so, these are full time workers then?”

“Correct.”

“Or are these people who are just doing something to get by on the side?"

"These are full-time workers who have to, of course, adjust to try to make sure they meet the mandatory training hours, as well as, cover the expense for when they're away from their businesses at the time."

"Okay. And then, I… I think my final question is, there's been some discussion about whether or not this impacts collective bargaining or how collective bargaining plays a part in this. But basically, we're saying that individuals who are going to provide this service to our… our state have to be trained well enough to do so and we're suggesting that they'd be paid in a way that allows them to also provide for their own families?"

"That… that's… that is correct."

"Okay. Well, thank you. To the Bill. I do understand that we have quite a difficult fiscal state that we're in, but when we think about the fact that these are individuals who are working with our most vulnerable citizens… children can enter child care facilities at just six weeks old… they can't hold their heads up, they cannot hold their own bottles, they cannot provide any care for themselves. We also know that these particular services help as children get older to prepare them for K through 12 education. We know that for older children the after school programs keep them safe and 09900132.docx 22  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 132nd Legislative Day 5/18/2016 off of the streets, which we could perhaps incur more costs if they are doing things that we would not want them to do. And we have to really, really be honest about the fact that, I don't think that as a society we value what we call women's work. You mention 99 percent of the individuals who provide this service to our state are… are women and there's a large number who are also women of color. We know there's a huge pay discrepancy for women across-the-board. We also know that, again, female-dominated roles or female-dominated industries and services are less paid than male-dominated industries. Yet, the backbone of our society is being able to care for the next generation so that they can go on and be productive citizens in our state. For that, I think we need to appreciate the workers for the service they provide to each and every one of us. Whether it is our own child, the child down the street, a niece or a nephew or a grandchild, this is an important, important profession and we should allow for adequate training. They should be paid in a manner that will allow them to take care of their own families; and they should have access to health care which is, again, something that women are disproportionately edged out of. And for all of those reasons, I encourage an 'aye' vote. And I thank the Sponsor for bringing this Bill."

"Representative Flowers."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. To the Bill. I… first of all, want to thank the Lady for bringing forth this very important piece of legislation. Because all of us as politicians we all ran on making family values our priorities, we all ran on making the issue of protecting our children, we ran on making 09900132.docx 23  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 132nd Legislative Day 5/18/2016 that a priority, but yet, we're talking about a mere $15 an hour for providers for taking care of our children. We don't want to pay that. But when I think about, for those of us who have pets, how much it costs to have a veterinarian to take care or have pet care that's between 9 and 14 dollars an hour and we don't complain. When we talk about how some pet sitters even charge upwards from 10 to 25 dollars an hour, we pay that and we don't complain. So surely to pay providers for taking care of our children, to invest into the future, to make sure that they're safe while we’re off working or going to school so we all can become tax contributors, we should not complain. And to pay a mere $15 an hour to… for providers who take care of our children as far as I'm concerned it's not enough. And thank you, Representative, for bringing forth this legislation."

"Representative Jesiel."

"Proceed."

"Okay."

"Representative Ammons to close."

"Thank you. And thank all of the speakers to the Bill. From the beginning of negotiations which began last year the Rauner administration has shown the hostility toward child care work… to the cho… toward child care program and child care workforce in a way that has not been seen in recent history, ever. He's seeking to strip away health insurance training and enact a freeze from some of the lowest paid workers in the state. In recent negotiations he did try to link care of people with disabilities in an attempt to enact a multiyear freeze on child care providers. This was truly an outrageous overreach. Now in the 12th month of bargaining, Governor Rauner showing no sign of letting up in his efforts to extract concessions out of this destabilized workforce many children who have gone without child care and their providers who have closed. As a Member of the General Assembly we should not let this happen. I urge an 'aye' vote for this legislation. And I urge an 'aye' vote for the child care worker, providers, and the children. Thank you, Mr. Speaker."

"Those in favor of the Lady’s Bill will vote 'yes'; opposed 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? 09900132.docx 25  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 132nd Legislative Day 5/18/2016 Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Please record yourselves. Mr. Clerk, please take the record. On this question, there are 68 voting 'yes'; 43 voting 'no', 1 voting 'present'. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On page… page 9 of the Calendar, under the Order of Senate Bills-Second Reading, there appears Senate Bill 2931, Representative Harper. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"Third Reading. Please read the Bill."

"Representative Harper."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. I'm pleased to bring before you Senate Bill 2931 which overall mission is to protect and invest in home care for persons with disabilities. Now, currently, there are more than 21 thousand state home services program assistants who provide everyday care to nearly 25 thousand people with disabilities. So, Senate Bill 2931 basically does three things; it codifies the basic health insurance program for DORS hair home care providers at no new cost to the state; it codifies that critical existing training programs for DORS home care providers at no new cost to the state and it also provides for a $15 an hour wage for more than 21 thousand providers who are among the lowest paid workforce in the state with an 09900132.docx 26  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 132nd Legislative Day 5/18/2016 average salary of $17 thousand a year. And so… also, due to the nature of the work, many of these workers are typically not able to work 40 hours a week and currently they make $13 an hour. I welcome any questions about the Bill."

"Mr. Sandack."

"Sponsor yields."

"SEIU Healthcare."

"To stand up for the home care workers in the State of Illinois."

"You're absolutely right, but we share a common mission in that many of their workers and the people that they represent, as well as, the persons who they provide for are in my district. So…"

"…we share that same admission and protecting the home care workers of this state."

"Not ho… not hourly wages specifically, except for General Assembly Members."

"Roughly $43 million."

"From discussions with proponents and also the department."

"About 43 million."

"Well, a lot of it is eligible for federal Medicaid match, so…"

"…that is a depending factor as well."

"Almost all of it is subject to federal match and it would gross between 41 and 73 million dollars."

"No, I have not." 09900132.docx 28  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 132nd Legislative Day 5/18/2016

"Well, we do need to have a discussion about revenue and I believe that this should be a part of that package… part of that discussion."

"Representative Bellock."

"Sponsor yields."

"I don't think… I don't think they're still paying that overtime, but this Bill would not affect that."

"No."

"The DHS is discontinuing that policy, the overtime policy."

"Well, they discontinued it as of May 1, 2016."

"About two weeks ago, yep."

"Yes, to 40 hours a week."

"Is the limit."

"Essentially, you're correct. The answer is the same, yes."

"Yes." 09900132.docx 30  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 132nd Legislative Day 5/18/2016

"It… it depends on how much is available for a federal match, but we believe it to be much lower than that."

"Well, that's based upon the Governor's proposed bud… budget which lowered the base."

"Thank you."

"Representative Flowers."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. To the Bill. I, again, would like to commend the Lady for bringing forth this very important piece of legislation, when you take into consideration what the personal assistant service providers do to help people that are handicap, help people this… are… that are disabled. This is not a luxury 09900132.docx 31  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 132nd Legislative Day 5/18/2016 Bill; these people are in need of this service. Now, I heard one of the previous speaker talk about how this might cost upwards of 86 million dollars, but I tell you what, it will cost you more… it will cost you much more if these people had to live in some type of institution. I guarantee you would be paying more than that. But more importantly, again, this is discrimination. People with disability are supposed to, by Federal Law, be able to live in their home independently if they so choose to, that's number one. And number two, the help that they need in order to feed themselves, take their medicine, get back and forth to work, they are entitled to that, again, according to Federal Law. We get matching funds. What is the problem here? And if you need some more money to pay for this, please stop by my office on the second floor of the Stratton building and I'll be more than happy to discuss with you the Financial Transaction Tax. And I can tell you how we can get some more money to pay for all of these Bills. Thank you."

"The Chair is gathering himself. Mr. Martwick."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"Sponsor yields."

"Good afternoon, Representative Harper. I… I just have a couple questions for you. What are the… the… these workers currently making? How… what are they making per hour?"

"Thirteen dollars an hour."

"Okay. So it's at… you're… you're looking at a two dollar increase, right?"

"Yeah. Just two dollars." 09900132.docx 32  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 132nd Legislative Day 5/18/2016

"So I… I just have a question for you. I had some information that said that on average these workers make $17 thousand a year."

"Yeah, and most of them are not working 40 hours a week."

"They're not?"

"No."

"You see that… that's where my question goes ‘cause I actually did $13 an hour, right? Times 40, times 52, meaning working every day of the year and I came out to 27 thousand. So you… you're saying that even though their earning potential is $27 thousand a year, they’re only making on average 17?"

"Correct."

"That's interesting ‘cause, you know, I couldn't figure out how we got an 87 thousan… $87 million cost. 'Cause I thought, you know, surely the Department of Human Services would do something more than basic simple math. But, you know, the interesting thing is, is you take two dollars an hour and you multiple it times 40, and then you multiple it times 52, and you multiple times the 21 thousand people that are working, and it comes out to $87 million. So apparently DHS calculated a cost based on hours that are not actually being worked."

"And remember almost all of that is eligible for federal match."

"Fascinating. You know, it's… we file these notes you would think that you would get something that approximated, even came close to real math but not… not in this chamber perhaps. So $17 thousand an hour… I mean, excuse me… 17… $17 thousand a year. Where does that fit in the poverty scale, 09900132.docx 33  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 132nd Legislative Day 5/18/2016 Representative Harper? Do you know if that's above or below the poverty?"

"Below the poverty level."

"Okay. So the people that we’re charging to work in our… the homes of our peo… of our citizens with disabilities are working at an annually salary, at least average, that falls below the poverty line?"

"Yes."

"So, how… how do they get by with that?"

"Es… especially if they have children."

"Yeah. So, how do they… how do they make ends meet if they’re living below poverty standards?"

"Oh, it's very hard. I've been in that situation myself as a single mother and…"

"How did… how did you get by?"

"I had to take on multiple jobs, spend less time with my child, and so forth, and so on."

"Would it be crazy to think that some of these people that were… that the government is paying to care for our most vulnerable citizens are actually receiving some sort of government assistance themselves?"

"And exactly that. I also had to depend on government assistance because I could not make enough money at work to support my basic needs."

"So, what you're saying is that the people that we employee to care for our most vulnerable citizens, that the taxpayers pay to care for our most vulnerable citizens, we also likely have to pay to help them survive?"

"That's exactly right. That's what's going on right now." 09900132.docx 34  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 132nd Legislative Day 5/18/2016

"So, perhaps a small increase in wages might actually reduce their dependence upon the government workers… their own dependence upon government aid and services."

"Of course, I would like to think so and workers themselves would love that. They don't want to depend on public assistance; they would like to earn a livable wage."

"Not every cut is… saves the taxpayers money, does it? In fact some cuts actually cost the taxpayers money, don't they?"

"Exactly."

"This is a good Bill. Please vote 'yes'."

"Representative Soto."

"Thank you, Speaker, Members of the House. This is a very important Bill and I just want to urge this General Assembly to support it. I mean there's so many people who need the services that are out there and really sometimes these caregivers work more than the… than they… that they volunteer to do. And again, just even the… the income that they make per year it's very low. Keeping the wages low and stripping caregivers of the little benefits that they have to higher turnover, making it more difficult for people with disabilities to find care and result… resulting in increased administrative cost. Home health care has a national turnover rate of 62 percent. So, I just want to mention to my colleagues this is a very important Bill. I know some of family members on both sides have these same issues, so let's be a little more sensitive with the needs of other people. And please support this Bill for… Thank you."

"Mr. Dunkin." 09900132.docx 35  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 132nd Legislative Day 5/18/2016

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"Sponsor yields."

"Representative, what union is… would be in charge of the… the PAs and these workers here?"

"SEIU Healthcare."

"That… that's the one in Illinois, Indiana?"

"Correct."

"Okay. Who are… who's the… who's the… the director of this, the President, the head of the SEIU union from that particular local? Yes. Who is it Keith Kelleher; is it Tom Balanoff? Is it who?"

"Keith Kelleher."

"Okay. And what is his salary, his annual salary?"

"I don't know."

"What about their vice president, Jackie Alleyne, what's her salary?"

"I don't know."

"What about their legislative director salary? One of them is Greg somebody."

"I don't know, Ken, I didn't research that as part of this Bill."

"All right. Well, this is not at you, I mean, you're carrying the Bill. So, we're talking about salary increases, hourly rate increases. As I understand it, all those individuals make over $120 thousand for the year. As their… as the head of the SEIU union, the vice president, President, the legislative directors, they're all six figure salaries. Are you aware of that, Representative?"

"No, I was not aware of that." 09900132.docx 36  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 132nd Legislative Day 5/18/2016

"Did they give you any indication at least of what the average top tier salaries and how they would increase or would they stay the same? Any idea?"

"In relation to this Bill, I don't think that that's… Yeah, this has nothing to do with the Bill. So, those aren't… that's not information that I went after or care to know right now in relation to what we're talking about today."

"Sure. I understand and I support it… this in… salary increases for these workers throughout my 14 years here. You know, just so you know.”

“Okay.”

“But I'm also aware that… their… their president, the vice president, the legislative director, the political directors make six figures or more of these particular… of this particular client population that we want to increase, so that I've played a role within helping. Just trying to understand, you know, how would they be impacted. Will their salaries increase as it relates to us mandating 41 to 73 million dollars to be increased for these worthy employees, who are personal assistants and home service providers, to a mere $15 dollars an hour?"

"Well, there are ov… over 80 thousand people represented by SEIU. So, I don't think it would be outrageous for their director to make over a $100 thousand salary."

"Is that right? And we… we’re struggling to get them 13 or 15 dollars…"

"However, that is not germane to this Bill and what we’re talking about today. We're talking about protecting the home care for persons with disabilities and also protecting the 09900132.docx 37  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 132nd Legislative Day 5/18/2016 people that work for them so that they may be able to earn a living wage themselves and not depend on government assistance, which is what we really all want."

"Thank you for your response, Representative."

"Thank you."

"Representative Wallace, chooses not to speak. Mr. Batinick."

"Mr. Thapedi."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"Sponsor yields."

"Representative, would you agree that every person with disabilities with a personal assistant saves Illinois an 09900132.docx 38  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 132nd Legislative Day 5/18/2016 average of $17,518 per year compared to living in a nursing home?"

"I… I would agree with that."

"And the only reason why I ask that question is because for some reason this has now turned into a financial debate when we're talking about the betterment of lives for the most vulnerable people in our community."

"Exactly."

"Would you also agree that adding those figures up, that the savings from home health care amounts to hundreds of millions of dollars in savings?"

"I would agree."

"All right. Mr. Speaker, to the Bill. Keeping people with disabilities in their homes saves the State of Illinois hundreds of millions of dollars. Keeping the workforce properly trained, healthy and paving the way for them to make a living wage protects these savings and is a critical investment. At a time when we are experiencing a historic budget impasse, wouldn't it make sense for us to invest in a program that saves the state money? Absolutely. I urge an 'aye' vote."

"Representative Harper to close."

"In closing, I would like to say that this legislation would protect health insurance, vital training, and provide a living wage for home care workers who, again, on average make only $17 thousand a year and therefore, live in poverty. They work in an industry where there is approximately 60 percent turnover rate and saves the State of Illinois hundreds of millions of dollars by enabling people with disabilities 09900132.docx 39  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 132nd Legislative Day 5/18/2016 to stay in their homes, in the community and not have to submit themselves into nursing homes. Let us provide stability to this important workforce and provide these workers with the tools, as well as, dignity to care for people with disabilities. Finally, I just want to pon… point out the broad coalition of support this legislation has including advocates for low income seniors and people with disabilities like the Jane Addams Senior Caucus, Access Living, and Illinois Alliance for Retired Americans. I encourage an 'aye' vote."

"Those in favor of the Lady’s Bill will vote 'yes'; opposed 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, please take the record. On this question, there are 67 voting 'yes', 44 voting 'no', 2 voting 'present'. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Mr. Leitch is recognized."

"Welcome to the House chamber. Thanks for being with us. Representative Reaves-Harris is recognized."

"Could the record reflect that my intent to vote 'yes' on Senate Bill 2931?" 09900132.docx 40  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 132nd Legislative Day 5/18/2016

"Thank you. The record will reflect your intentions. On page 7 of the Calendar, under Senate Bills-Third Reading, there is Senate Bill 2964. Mr. Hoffman. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"Mr. Hoffman."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Senate Bill 2964 is amending the Prevailing Wage Act. What it would do is, it put a mechanism in place for ensuring that the prevailing wage should not be less than the rate for similar work performed in a locality under a collective bargaining agreement. When no such collective bargaining agreement is in place, then the Department of Labor will make that determination. It puts the determination of this under the Department of Labor, it removes it from local government so we can be consistent and would require all prevailing wage rates be posted on the department's website. The history of prevailing wage, as you may know, goes back to 1931 when two Republicans, and I’ll repeat that, two Republicans, Davis and Bacon sponsored the Federal Prevailing Wage Act. I know because they were two Republicans we'll have much Republican support on this side of the aisle to make sure that people who work on public works projects actually get a fair wage. I ask for an 'aye' vote."

"Mr. Sandack."

"Of course." 09900132.docx 41  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 132nd Legislative Day 5/18/2016

"The history of how we determine prevailing wage, under previous Departments of Labor, is that we have used collective bargaining agreements as the guide and that's been the long- standing… that's been a long-standing practice in the Department of Labor whether it was under Republicans or under Democrats who… administrations. However, in the fall of 2015, the dep… department began sending correspondence to contractors with a survey period of July 1, 2014 through July 30, 2015 and asking these contractors what they're paying in wages. I’d like to note that in testimony… in Dept… in the Labor Committee, representatives from the Operating Engineers indicated that no union contractor that they spoke to have received such a survey or a letter. So the concern here is that long-standing practice is not being followed, long- standing practice should be codified, and long-standing practice is the way to go to make sure people make a decent wage on public works projects."

"We're not changing that. It's still going… Oh, excuse me." 09900132.docx 42  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 132nd Legislative Day 5/18/2016

"Excuse me."

"I meant… hold on. We're not changing the fact that you will have a local prevailing wage, but we are saying that the… that the Department of Labor will be the person that's going to determine what the collective bargaining agreement wage is for a given trade. And in addition, the Bill indicates that you have to… the collective bargaining agreement has to represent at least 30 percent of the workforce in that region for that given trade."

"Yes, they did. However, it's my understanding that the vast majority, like nearly 100 percent of them, would simply adopt what the department had."

"That's correct."

"That is correct."

"No, we wouldn't be taking the local information out of the prevailing wage. We would accept and adopt…"

"Yeah, we would accept and adopt the collective bargaining agreements if they represent at least 30 percent of the workforce in a given region by trade. And then that would be accepted on a state… and it would be codified on the state level as opposed to having several different types of local government determination. So, what we're trying to do is provide consistency, not only to organized labor and the worker, but also consistency to the employer. Because they should know, when they're bidding a job, what the prevailing wage is going to be, what they're going to have to pay their employees, and what is the standard for that region."

"Yes, that's… that’s what…"

"I'm trying to recall the testimony and the department in the Labor Committee."

"In order to address the uncertainty, and the inconsistency in ascertaining these rates, what we propose is statutory frame work. It established the prevailing wage rates based collectively where at least 30 percent of the workers in a particular trade or occupation receive a collectively bargained rate of wage. The reason we're saying that is we want to make sure it's reflective of the actual prevailing wage in the area."

"That 30 percent… the 30 percent I think or I understand is basically a number that generally is going to reflect, most regions of the state are going to have 30 percent. At least reflected in public works contracts."

"If they don't, then the provisions and the Department of Labor will make the determination."

"I would assume they would… they would conduct a survey that they're conducting now."

"Well, they're attempting to do it. Our concern is… it's very simple here."

"There is a wage rate that's established by collective bargaining. That's a collective bargaining agreement that's between two parties, employer, employee.”

“They come together, they negotiate…"

"…they… they determine what the rate is and they can live in the locality."

"We're saying, why reinvent the wheel? My concern is this is that the Department of Labor is doing these surveys and they're not sending out… the survey's out to union employers. Therefore, they're going to artificially set a lower rate for public works."

"They came and testified as to what they were doing, yes."

"They did not say that. It was testified in committee that the… the survey was not sent out to any of the Operating Engineers employers according to 150 who testified."

"According to them they had… they had asked their employers and they indicated they had not received it." 09900132.docx 46  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 132nd Legislative Day 5/18/2016

"Obviously."

"Yes."

"So, the… the Management Labor Alliance of the Operating Engineers, management and labor are proponents of the Bill. Public Workers Contractors that I have talked to in my area, who build roads, and bridges, and schools are in favor of the Bill."

"I don't know if they did or not; I don't know."

"But I can tell you who's in favor of it: the Operating Engineers, the carpenters, the bricklayers, the plumbers, the laborers."

"People, teamsters, do you want me to keep going?"

"The people who are outside of this building today wanting to get a fair wage so they can raise their family. They're for it."

"I think you’re making my argument for me."

"I… I don't know. I could tell you what practice is and that was the local governments would adopt what the Department of Labor had…"

"…and the Department of Labor would adopt…"

"…what we're talking about here, collective bargaining agreement."

"I've not heard from anybody. I've not heard of… heard… I have not heard from my locals opposed to it either."

"Mr. Kay."

"Absolutely."

"I… I'm sorry. There's… I couldn't under… I couldn't hear. Sorry."

"No, that's not correct." 09900132.docx 49  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 132nd Legislative Day 5/18/2016

"Because what… what this would do is it would indicate that in a given region the collective bargaining agreement for that region. So in the Metro East, where we live, the ironworker would make less than an ironworker in Chicago. So the prevailing wage under this Bill would be what the ironworker… if it's… if it’s a project in Collinsville, the ironworker in Collinsville's agreement would be the one that would… would be the prevailing wage as opposed to the one in Chicago. So it's not mandating a statewide collective bargaining. It's still done by region, but it would indicate that the collective bargaining agreement would be the prevailing wage, yes."

"Well, if they have… if there's a collective bargaining in place and at least 30 percent of the workers are subject to a collective bargaining on public works projects, then the collective bargaining wage would be the prevailing rate. If you don't have that or meet that criteria, then the Department of Labor would make a determination as to what the prevailing rate is in that particular region."

"They would be subject to the local collective bargaining agreement in the Collinsville area."

"I don't know that."

"I would think generally the entire State of Illinois on public works construction projects, 30 percent of the workforce is subject to a collective bargaining agreement. So I would think there’d be very little, if any, area of the state that would not be covered by collective bargaining agreement that would stet… set the prevailing wage."

"I think on public works projects probably 100 percent are subject to collective bargaining and prevailing."

"No."

"Look, I'm a proponent of people's right to organize. Fundamentally I'm a proponent of that."

"The wage rate that will be the weight… wage rate that has to be paid on a public works project; a road, a bridge, a school, a courthouse, a jail. When those are being built, 09900132.docx 51  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 132nd Legislative Day 5/18/2016 we currently demand prevailing wage to be paid. This simply is saying that prevailing wage will reflect what practice has been, long-standing practice in Illinois, that it will reflect a collective bargaining agreement and the wage and Fringe benefits that are paid as… in conjunction with that collective bargaining agreement in that region."

"I think… I think maybe we’re just talking over each other. So maybe I… I haven't really described it adequately. In a region… in a region where 30 percent of the workforce is, you know, public works projects is subject to collective bargaining agreement, then you'll… you will use that prevailing wage that is a part of that collective bargaining agreement."

"If the critr… criteria is… is met, then any public works project has to pay that rate, whether it's union, nonunion, whether it's in… people from in state or out of state."

"Any public works project would have to pay…"

"…that prevailing wage."

"That's… that's not correct, no."

"Again, I’ll go over it again, so everybody understands. To address the uncertainty and inconsistency… inconsistencies, a statutory framework would be established, prevailing wage rates based on a collective bargaining agreement where at least 30 percent of the workers in a particular trade or occupation receive a collectively bargained rate of wage. Then the prevailing rage… wage rate would be the rate that has to be paid on a public works project. Whether you’re a union employee or whether you're a nonunion employee, whether you're from Illinois or from Missouri, it wouldn't matter. If it's a public works project, then you would have to pay that collectively bargained wage rate, as well as, fringe benefits."

"It has nothing to do with whether a county has a collective bargaining agreement."

"Mr. Harris." Harris, D.: "Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Before I ask questions, an inquiry of the Chair."

"State your inquiry, Sir." Harris, D.: "Both my analysis and what's on the screen indicates that this Bill preempts a local municipality's opportunity to opt out of prevailing wage requirements. Does… what's the vote total required on this Bill, please?"

"I will inquire, Sir." Harris, D.: "Thank you."

"The Sponsor yields for your questions." Harris, D.: "Thank you. Representative, help me understand if I may… or if you would, first of all, as… as you’ve heard from my inquiry of the Chair, can a… can a public body now opt out of a provision of prevailing wage requirements?"

"Under this purposed Bill?" Harris, D.: "No, no. I mean, current… under current statute?"

"I don't believe that they can opt out of prevailing wage, no." Harris, D.: "But… so then… then why does the Bill prohibit a body from opting out of prevailing wage requirements?"

"What it would do is…" Harris, D.: "If there's no… if there’s no…" 09900132.docx 54  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 132nd Legislative Day 5/18/2016

"Yeah." Harris, D.: "…possibility to do that now?"

"What it would do is, currently, under current law we'll have the… the state will set a prevailing wage and then local governments can also. They normally just adopt what the state has done as far as what the prevailing wage would be paid. So, what we would do is simply codify current practice and say well, we're going to look at these collective bargaining agreements and we're going to put them on to the Department of Labor's website so employers know what they're going to have to pay when they're bidding these public projects and that will then be the prevailing wage for that area." Harris, D.: "So the municipality… what you're telling me then the municipality cannot set its own prevailing wage?"

"That… that under this… under this Bill.” Harris, D.: "That's what you mean about opt out?"

"I'm… I'm… under this Bill the municipality could not set its own prevailing wage." Harris, D.: "Okay. So, you are preempting that provision, okay. So help me understand now, is… is prevailing wage set on a countywide basis?"

"I believe it’s set on… they're set on a regional basis. So under this, let's say that the… the Laborers Local Union 100 has a collective bargaining agreement or their district council does, so for the laborers in my area the collective bargaining prevailing wage would be that jurisdiction." Harris, D.: "So, as an example let's look at Cook County and DuPage County, right next door to each other. There is… whatever the prevailing wage is in that immediate area in 09900132.docx 55  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 132nd Legislative Day 5/18/2016 that region would be the same whether it's Cook County or DuPage County? I thought it was set by county and maybe I'm wrong in that… in that understanding."

"Yeah, so I'm not a… I'm not an expert on these agreements, but it's my understanding for example if you’re a member of the Operating Engineers Local 150 you would be cu… you… you would… they have jurisdiction not only under Cook, but also the… the surrounding counties, the collar counties." Harris, D.: "Okay. So…"

"They would have… but within their agreement, they would have different wages based on the locations of where the work is being done." Harris, D.: "Okay. So, tracking a little bit on what the previous Representative asked you in terms of how this works, right now if a nonunion contractor came into an area and wanted to bid on a project, and if there is a standard prevailing wage in that area, that nonunion contractor is going to have to pay the prevailing wage anyway, right? I mean, you’re not… this doesn't change anything in that regard, does it?"

"No. It… it does not. All this does is it standardizes the… the setting of the wage." Harris, D.: "Right. So… so, if a contractor as an example from Kentucky came over and wanted to work in Illinois, I mean, that contractor is going to know that, hey, in that area if it's a public works project I'm going to have to pay the prevailing wage in that area just as a contractor from Illinois would have to pay, correct? So, he… that contractor 09900132.docx 56  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 132nd Legislative Day 5/18/2016 from Kentucky doesn't have any advantage, correct, at least when it comes to wages?"

"Yes." Harris, D.: "Okay."

"You're correct." Harris, D.: "Okay. So the… the collective bargaining agreement, isn't that currently factored into prevailing wage, anyway? I mean, isn't… isn't the… when the Department of Labor looks at what the prevailing wage is in an area, don't they look at the collective bargaining agreement that is currently in place and say, okay, that is the prevailing wage in that area?"

"Current practice is this… is… current practice has been that they would really generally adopt a collective bargaining agreement wage as a prevailing wage, however, as I indicated in my opening remarks, I believe in… in July of 2015 the dep… the department started taking a different approach where they would establish prevailing wage rate through surveys and they sent out a survey for the period of July 1, 2014 through June 30, 2015. And the point being, a lot of the union contractors didn't receive the survey. So here's the concern for me and I'll just put it out there, right? My concern is the Department of Labor is attempting to not reflect what the actual prevailing wage is in a given area, as a result of collective bargaining agreements and is trying to drive down the prevailing wage by not including in a survey the union contractors." Harris, D.: "Okay. I appreciate that answer. And then, in an area where there is not a collective bargaining agreement, let's 09900132.docx 57  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 132nd Legislative Day 5/18/2016 say in a county in… in central Illinois, a rural county in central Illinois where there may not be a collective bargaining agreement, the Department of Labor would still determine what the prevailing wage is in that area?"

"Yes." Harris, D.: "Even under this Bill?"

"Yes." Harris, D.: "Okay. Thank you very much."

"Mr. Wheeler." Wheeler, K.: "Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"Sponsor yields." Wheeler, K.: "Jay, you just mentioned the… the survey process that was discussed a little bit in committee and you mentioned that the administration is testing a pr… or it was mentioned in committee that… the administration is testing a process to perform this survey that hasn't been done for a long time. Is that right?"

"I believe in the fall of 2015 the department began sending correspondence to contractors which would survey the period of July 1, 2014 through June 30, 2015." Wheeler, K.: "But you were mentioning that the union contractors weren't getting those surveys?"

"That was a testimony in committee." Wheeler, K.: "Isn't it clear that the union contractors are the collective bargaining agreement which should already be published wages they already know what they're making?"

"But I don't have any indication that the department is taking that into consideration." 09900132.docx 58  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 132nd Legislative Day 5/18/2016 Wheeler, K.: "Well, I would think that's just commonsense myself, but…"

"Well, that's why you should vote for the Bill to make sure it's taken into consideration." Wheeler, K.: "Well, I actually have a different perspectives on the Bill."

"I like your argument." Wheeler, K.: "Thanks, Jay, but I think they will take it into account and I believe that… that that's why they didn't reach out to those people by mail. That's my impression at least. What happens in a situation where a county has multiple Locals that have different collective bargaining agreements? How we going to… what… what prevails in that situation?"

"Well, you wouldn't. You wouldn't necessarily, each trade would have their own. So the jurisdictional disputes between the trades worked out amongst the trades. So, they would have… the laborers would have one, the ironworkers would have one, the plumbers might have one, carpenter's might have one." Wheeler, K.: "Right. I get that because… but… I mean… I was in labor… labor 1ocal… 149 as a youngster, okay? But we didn't… they didn't cover the whole county so I guess I'm trying to figure out, you know, if… if my CBA had a better rate than the one in the southern part of the county, would… which one would prevail? Does this legislation affect or address that issue?"

"I believe what would happen is it would depend on what… what jurisdiction you we're wor… doing the work in. So it could potentially just like if it were a… if it were a 09900132.docx 59  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 132nd Legislative Day 5/18/2016 nonpublic project, you would pay a different wage based on that collective bargaining agreement." Wheeler, K.: "I… I would… these are published wages. You can look online and see them, and I… I bring it up because these people have contacted the people. I live in Kendall County. The prevailing wage in my home county ranges from $28 an hour to $50.10 an hour, plus benefits that reach as high as $30 an hour. So you're looking at a total package could be as high as $80 an hour. If I'm a contractor wanting to compete in that area for public works project, I'd want to know what that is specifically to get my… my contract or my bid as… as low as I can. Not knowing what it really is, is the question I have, Jay. I'm just trying to figure out… what… how the Bill addresses that kind of an issue."

"It's my understanding that the Department of La… Labor… I just want to kind of get the previous question answered maybe a little better… it's my understanding that the U.S. Department of Labor would use the terms in… in these collective bargaining agreements to determine which… which prevailing wage is applicable. This is done on the federal level, currently." Wheeler, K.: "That's fine. I'm just… I'm just pointing out that… I'm trying to understand how it is… as a person who's been in the contracting world before would deal with this if it's not the published rate that's on the county’s website that’s… What would you use? That’s my…"

"You would use… under this Bill, you would use the published wa… rate that would be on the Department of Labor's 09900132.docx 60  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 132nd Legislative Day 5/18/2016 website… the State Department of Labor's website for that region." Wheeler, K.: "'Cause you're making… you’re using regions instead of counties now. Is that what I understand?"

"Yes." Wheeler, K.: "All right. With respect to the Bill the way I understand it was introduced, now we're going to tie the prevailing wage directly to the collective bargaining agreement which would then specifically give… or the potential to give union contractors a better advantage over nonunion contractors. Is that a fair or unfair statement?"

"I think that's an unfair statement. It would… it would make sure… this isn't changing prevailing wage. What it's doing is it's ensuring that the prevailing wage is standardized and is actually what the true prevailing wage is in a given region." Wheeler, K.: "Well, to a degree it is because the way I understand this, Jay, if we're not going to do the survey and if just 30 percent of the workers in that region are under that collective bargaining agreement, then we're going to use that collective bargaining for 100 percent of the workers there. Thereby the prevailing wage is just based on the CBA. Wrong? Right?"

"If… if there is a collective bargaining agreement in place and that is… that is what has been done in the State of Illinois for as long as we can remember." Wheeler, K.: "Okay. But the… the current law states that that's not necessarily the case. We just do it that way ‘cause it's more convenient?" 09900132.docx 61  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 132nd Legislative Day 5/18/2016

"That's fair." Wheeler, K.: "But the administration has taken under a way that they want to do a survey that says, what is the real prevailing wage, and we're trying to prevent that affectively from happening here is how I see this legislation. Because we're not going to take into account any nonunion wage rates in an area, if there's 30 percent unionized work, correct?"

"The prevailing wage would be what is under the collective bargaining agreement." Wheeler, K.: "Okay. Thank you. To the Bill. I come from a union background. I was union laborer my college years. It helped me get through college, pay for it. A union contractor later in my life, but I also believe that the market has a purpose and a place and in this case that purpose is to protect the cost to taxpayers. This expansion of the Prevailing Wage Act by directly tying the CBA to the prevailing wage totally eliminates any market-based wages being taken in account for nonunion companies and it isn't necessary, and here's why. Our union contracting company paying full union wages and benefits, perfectly, successfully won a number of contracts regularly against nonunion companies who weren't paying rates that high. Our costs were definitely higher, but our workers were better trained and more efficient. I don't think union contractors, like the one I come from, need any kind of a special or enhanced minimum wage like this to compete and win. Therefore, I do not support this legislation. Thank you."

"Mr. Harris, in answer to your inquiry previously. The Chair has read the Bill; it does not preempt Home Rule. The Bill will require 60 votes. Mr. Demmer." 09900132.docx 62  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 132nd Legislative Day 5/18/2016

"Your request will be acknowledged, Sir. Mr. Davidsmeyer."

"Representative Ives."

"Sponsor yields."

"Well, I can't answer an organization specifically. We're just trying to put consistency into the setting of the prevailing wage rate and trying to codify what has been the long-standing practice in Illinois."

"Again, the long-standing practice in Illinois has been that what we will do is we'll accept the collective bargaining rate as a prevailing wage rate, that's number 1; and number 2, the localities in… in nearly almost all cases will accept that… that rate as well."

"Mr. Dunkin."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"Sponsor yields."

"Representative, so what would happen if this Bill did not pass or we didn't have prevailing wage here?" 09900132.docx 65  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 132nd Legislative Day 5/18/2016

"Well, the concern, if this Bill does not pass, is that the department is attempting to have an artificially low prevailing wage by this new survey process where they're not including union contractors."

"An… and so what's the rationale for this survey process; whereas, that they would not have… well, they would… it would produce a lower wage?"

"Yeah, I don't… you'd have to ask the Department of Labor that. I'm just telling you what long-standing practice has been in Illinois. They've accepted the collective bargaining rate as the prevailing wage rate."

"I see the Association of Builders and Contractors, and the Chamber, they're opposed to this Bill. Why is that?"

"I… I don't know. They didn't… they didn't testify, I don't believe."

"Would… would this have an… a negative impact on local property taxes in a particular county, where prevailing wages are higher, much higher? I mean, the former Representative, Jeanne Ives pointed out $69 in Naperville and up. Does that have or would it have a negative impact on the local population and particularly property taxes, in some of these areas?"

"I don't believe it would because the rates in every county are currently collectively bargain rates for each trade in each county, currently. Thi… this essentially codifies that practice, so it would not have a negative impact, no."

"You're saying it would not, but… there are… from what I… from me reading this analysis now, they’re saying that it 09900132.docx 66  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 132nd Legislative Day 5/18/2016 would have a negative impact on property taxes for the local residents."

"I… I think that they are incorrect."

"So is this equivalent to mandating rates for the trades?"

"This is a… this is equivalent to standardizing rates and making sure we codify the long-standing practice as it currently exists."

"Do we mandate teacher, fire, and police rates across the State of Illinois?"

"Look, prevailing wage… the Prevailing Wage Act was passed in 1931. It's been the law of the land since 1931 federally. And then soon it was adopted; I don't even know what year in the state, okay? And the decision was made that on public works projects we should not undercut the wages of workers. We should use our taxpayer dollars to fairly pay a worker who does a day's work, who goes to work and builds our projects. That was a decision that was made fundamentally and philosophically a long time ago before… before this Bill. All this Bill does is it ensures that there's a fair mechanism of setting that wage rate."

"But Representative, is that necessary today? Given that there's… there are 40 cranes in Chicago, downtown Chicago now. There's dev… new development sprouting up around universities, certain places downstate prob… possibly your district as well. Is there a need today given where the economy is going in some of these areas? And are unions really suffering as it was potentially let's say back in the ‘30s or the ‘40s?" 09900132.docx 67  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 132nd Legislative Day 5/18/2016

"So prevailing wage rate my… by adopting the collective bargaining rate that isn't going to change one bit a… a union job ‘cause they're already ready… they're already subject to the collective bargaining agreement. What this would do is say on public works projects if it is not subject to that collective bargaining agreement, then what it would pay, it would pay that person who would actually be a non-union employee that rate."

"So what about… what's the impact on private development or private works?"

"It… this does not deal with any private development."

"So if we were to donate land, let's say, to the Luc… George Lucas Museum in Chicago, which we all…"

"San Francisco?"

"Let's… let's say if they… if they're successful in our great state and we get a great museum, which I think we should have. What would be the impact on the union or the local workers there given that it… it's public land and it's… but it’s all private money, as I understand it."

"I… I'm not an expert on this, but it's my understanding if there is any federal or state dollars that are a part of the project, it is subject to Prevailing Wage Act, currently, and it would still remain that way."

"It… so if there are no dollars, but it’s public land, does the prevailing wage requirement come into effect?"

"I'm not sure."

"That's important to know because, you know, a lot of projects that we… that we are looking for in our state. Let me ask this here. Last year we… myself, I think you were 09900132.docx 68  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 132nd Legislative Day 5/18/2016 carrying the Bill if I'm not mistaken, we talked about the trades and the… the gross discrimination that they have towards blacks and Latinos. What progress has been made since we've had this conversation on the floor openly with these trade unions who are now before us asking for money to be se… sustained in their special category of predominately white guys only?"

"Well, I can tell you this, Representative Dunkin, I've been at the forefront the times when I have helped negotiate Capital Bills to when I was… as the chairman of Labor, and previously as the chairman of the Transportation Committee. I've been at the forefront of attempting to ensure adequate representation of minorities in public works projects and I think we've gone a long way and made some progress. Are yo… am… am I going to say that we have made as much progress that needs to be made, I would not stand here and say that, no."

"Representative, you know, I… I've known you for almost 14 years now an… and your record an… who you are as a person is stellar. The folks in your district they love you for good reason, so I know who you are and what you stand for. My concern and issue is with the individual organizations that will benefit and have benefitted for decades with the State of Illinois mandating a base salary at a substantial amount of money and I'm not arguing whether it's a good or great rate or if it's not a good rate. It doesn't make a difference. My concern has been every year I've been down here is, what's the status of the electrical workers, the ironworkers, the road builders, et cetera? And what's been the progress? Because when we drive up and down these expressways, more 09900132.docx 69  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 132nd Legislative Day 5/18/2016 often we don't see anyone… we see very few blacks and Latinos, very few women on these particular projects. And then when we see private projects and when we see public projects, we don't see representation of black folk or Latinos in the trades. And so, my concern and typically you know when Representative Lou Jones was here or when Representative Chuck Morrow was here, you were here and I was here, when Art Turner, Sr. was here, this was a major issue; you had Senators as well. This Bill would get the Black Caucus and the Latino Caucus excited about what it is that the trade unions that we've been taking care of here that I voted for every year or every time they've come here with… with great union Bills including prevailing wage, including this not becoming a right-to-work state. I've supported that as most Black Caucus and Latino Caucus Members have over decades here. But yet, we're still having this conversation as it relates to the lack of or the very abysmal amount of blacks in the trades, but yet, they… they come here and ask for a mandate on them making more money off of everybody. But they discriminate against the same blacks who live in my district, who live in your district, the same Latinos who live in my colleague’s district here, be they on that side of the aisle or this side of the aisle, and that seems to be no plan. I'm just perplexed in trying to figure out what have been the tangible steps that they've taken outside of taken tens of millions of dollars in pre- apprenticeship programs knowing damn well they have no intention on bringing them in even as apprentice on jobs, certainly not allowing them to become journeymen. But every year its excuse, after excuse, after excuse on us saying we 09900132.docx 70  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 132nd Legislative Day 5/18/2016 must have prevailing wage and with us knowing well that across this state the standards of living are simply not the same. Folk who may live in my district in Chicago live a different quality of life in your district in Effingham, in Quincy, here in Springfield. I'm just trying figure out what the next steps are, Representative, as it relates to us hooking up, taking care of the predominately white trades and yet they have not delivered since I’ve been here. And I know what you want, you've been… you have taken the lead with other colleagues over the years, and I've seen with my own eyes and heard with my own ears that you want some resolve with this here, and I respect you for that. But they haven’t acted. They've given us lip service, donations, but no real substantive plan. When you go to McCormick Place where they're setting up a show when you go, hell, you can go right here in this convention center here in Springfield. It's the same situation, stagehands. At what point, Representative, are we black folk who play… pay taxes, the Latinos in this state who pay taxes, the women in this state who pay taxes, when will they prevail in the trades?"

"Well, I can only tell you that I've been an advocate for adequate representation and minorities in the trades and I will continue to do this… do that."

"Well, Representative…"

"Mr. Dunkin, can you bring your remarks to a close, Sir?"

"Yes, Mr. Speaker. I guess my question to the… to my good friend and colleague is, it's the same old, same old. Come here and mandate that every taxpayer gets on the hook in every 09900132.docx 71  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 132nd Legislative Day 5/18/2016 county, every municipality across the state for a certain amount, a very generous amount on average and I'm glad Representative Jeanne Ives highlighted in her district what some of these base salaries are $46, $39 an hour, $60-plus an hour. God bless them. And yet, we ask as black Legislators, as good Legislators, not just black Legislators the same question when we go to East St. Louis. When we drive to Danville, to Decatur, to the southeast side of this town in Springfield, west side, south side of Chicago, the suburban area, Peoria, Illinois, south suburbs, it's the same old script. It's a bamboozle good wink scenario that the trades have been prevailing throughout this entire… I guess, that’s the… the history of the State of Illinois. This used to get the black and Latino Caucus excited, this type of legislation, because we know the facts in our district and we know the facts in those unions that they have not been fair, they have not been open, they have not walked the walk in terms of what it is that they should be doing, but yet they come here and mandate that we pay them a particular public dollar that only they can benefit from. At some point, we're going to do things right and start holding everybody accountable who come here to benefit, Mr. Speaker, from the public and for our… from our votes. Thank you."

"Mr. Walsh."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"Sponsor yields."

"Representative, we've heard a lot of debate here over this Bill and I just want to be clear that what we're talking 09900132.docx 72  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 132nd Legislative Day 5/18/2016 about is setting a standard in statute that would set the prevailing wage, is that correct?"

"That is correct."

"And that standard is going to be based off of a 30 percent evaluation of collective bargaining agreements throughout the different regions in this state, would that be fair to say?"

"No. What it would be is, is if in a given workplace in the trade 30 percent of the… of the individuals who perform those projects are part of a collective bargaining agreement, then that collective bargaining agreement would be the prevailing wage."

"What happens if there's not 30 percent? Do they go off of the wages that are being paid at that particular time including benefits?"

"Then… yeah… then the Department of Labor would make the determination as to what the prevailing wage would be in that area and for that trade."

"And all of organized labor is fair with that assessment?"

"Yes, they're in favor of that provision in this Bill."

"So, I mean, this isn't a really controversial issue. Basically, there's concern about the way the Department of Labor is evaluating these rates throughout the different regions ‘cause each region is different whether it's central Illinois, southern Illinois, suburban, City of Chicago, those rates vary depending on where you're at in the state. Is that correct?"

"Yes."

"So, all we're trying to do is codify that so everybody's on the same page?" 09900132.docx 73  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 132nd Legislative Day 5/18/2016

"Yes."

"I… I think this is a very simple Bill. It's… it’s just it… it's kind of self-explanatory and it doesn't make sense why we're having an hour debate on this because all we're trying to do is give fairness across the state so contractors, whether they're union or nonunion, know exactly what their rates of pay are going to be when they bid on these public work jobs. And these are just public work jobs whether it's road building, school construction, et cetera. Would you say that's correct there?"

"That's exactly correct."

"Well, again, I just I don't understand why we're having this argument, but thank you much for your answers."

"Mr. Hoffman to close."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. The previous speaker, I think, summed it up very succinctly. This is simply is s… looking at what is current practice for setting prevailing wage on public works projects, it's codifying it, and it's making it the law of the land. So that, we as a Body and a public policy in the State of Illinois are going to say, if we're going to use state taxpayer’s money, if we're going to use public… or if we're going to have to build public works, that we're going to the have people who do that work get a decent wage so they can feed their family so they can make sure their kids can go to college, make sure they can go to a trade school, make sure they can get a decent education and they're not one… they're… they're not always struggling to just get by. That's what the public policy has been. That's consistent with what 09900132.docx 74  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 132nd Legislative Day 5/18/2016 Davis-Bacon was when there… two Republicans passed it way back in 1931. And I ask for a favorable Roll Call."

"Gentleman moves for the passage of the Bill. Mr. Demmer has asked for a verification of the roll. So, Members will be in their chairs and vote their own switches. Those in favor of the Bill will vote 'yes'; opposed 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, please take the record. On this question, there are 72 voting 'yes', 40 voting 'no' and 2 voting 'present'. Do you persist, Mr. Demmer? Mr. Demmer withdrawals his request for a verification. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Page 3 of the Calendar, House Bill 5628, on the Order of House Bills-Second Reading, Representative Williams. Please read the Bill."

"Third Reading. Please read the Bill for a third time.”

"Let's have some order in the chamber, please."

Speaker Lang: "Representative Williams, not quite yet. Representative Williams."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'm here today on House Bill 5628, which would eliminate insurance coverage caps for 09900132.docx 75  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 132nd Legislative Day 5/18/2016 preventative physical therapy for MS patients. And if you were here in 2006, you were probably one of the many Legislators that provided for physical therapy to be covered under insurance plans for… specifically for MS. And that was done at the time because if anyone's familiar with this condition they're aware that in many cases medication is ineffective in symptom management and in fact, providing for physical therapy, not only provides relief and quality of life improvements for patients, but it does save money in the long run for insurance plans as well. So what this Bill does is eliminate the further restrictions that have been imp… put in place by insurance companies that would elim… that would limit the availability of this sort of therapy for MS patients. And I'm, of course, happy to take any questions."

"Mr. Sandack."

"Sponsor yields."

"What the Bill does… I know you’re taking language right out of the Bill… is in 20… as I mentioned in 2006 the General Assembly as a Body and the Governor agreed that MS patients could… in many cases, physical therapy is the best and only option in many cases for treatment and coverage. Unfortunately, however, due to cost cutting measures, 09900132.docx 76  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 132nd Legislative Day 5/18/2016 insurance companies have basically emasculated this provision of the law by providing extreme limitations on the availability by putting limitations on the number of visits, maximums. So for example, if a doctor… if a physician orders and you know, in order to get physical therapy you need to get a prescription. If a physician, your personal physician says you need weekly physical therapy your insurance company can say, sorry, we're max… our max is 30 visits per year. So the patient’s forced to oftentimes strategize on when they go to their visits an… and skimp on the number of visits in order to accommodate what the insurance cost cutting requirements are. And… and that's actually costs… ends up costing more in the long run because injuries take place, patients are forced to go to the ER for treatment when there's a fall or something. Physical therapists say this is the frontline treatment for many, many people with MS."

"I do not and the reason for that is because we in 20,006… 2006 the General Assembly already mandated the coverage. This just provides that that is actually what we’re… we're going to be able to do as a practical matter. So by eliminating the limitations on the number of visits, for example, we’re just providing that the law is actually followed as we originally intended in 2006."

"I would say the thousands… tens of thousands of MS patients around Illinois are the proponents and their families, caregivers, physical therapists, and physicians."

"Okay."

"You know, it's interesting. I guess the insurance companies and some of the business groups are opposed saying it's… they're concerned about cost, but I think if you talk to the people on the frontlines of treating this condition, for example, the physical therapist that testified in committee. They're say… you know, there's very, very real and tangible evidence that money is saved in the long run, money for hospital visits. For example, I heard from one physical therapist that people with MS who are in need of preventative or maintenance physical therapy, but have exhausted their cap already they may elect to not seek services. What does that 09900132.docx 78  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 132nd Legislative Day 5/18/2016 result in it? It results in falls, it results in increased injuries, and those are more costly in the long run. Not to mention the quality of life impacts on people with MS. I… I would think of it this way. I would think of it this is really no different than a medication. For people with MS there is no other option in many cases. So would we put these kind of limitations on a diabetes drug, for example? You can only get it 30 weeks a year, not 52."

"This was in Health and Human Services."

"No. Well, we… we did present the subject matter testimony in the Insurance."

"We presented a subject matter hearing in the Insurance Committee."

"I'm not sure."

"Mr. Demmer."

"Sponsor yields."

"Well, I… I'm unsure what you're getting at in your question, but you know, in 2006 we did acknowledge that physical therapy, preventative physical therapy, was basically a… an appropriate way to treat… to treat that specific condition. And by putting those requirements in the law having the insurance companies utilize those sort of very restrictive rules about the pre… provision of physical 09900132.docx 80  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 132nd Legislative Day 5/18/2016 therapy, we basically in effect eliminated what we did in 2006."

"Well, I'm unsure actually because these… keep in mind, you can only get physical therapy treatment if your doctor prescribes it. So you're not going to prompt care and getting a prescription for physical therapy for a condition like MS. You're going to your MS specialist who prescribes it specifically because they believe it will help your condition. Often it's the only thing that will help your condition. And often there is no other option for you as a patient."

"You know, I think it's really… someone… a previous speaker mentioned that we're playing health care provider; I would argue just the opposite. I think if we're not allowing our health care provider our… the physician that's treating a patient to make a decision as to how much physical therapy they need, I think that's a real problem and jeopardizes the health of the patient in the long run, and costs more money. So I disagree with your premise."

"Well, are they all seeing that patient?" 09900132.docx 81  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 132nd Legislative Day 5/18/2016

"I… no. I can't imagine an MS patient that is shopping to different doctors. It's a very serious, lifelong, debilitating disease."

"And you need to get…"

"Well, in 2006 we didn't include the others."

"But would you say the same…"

"…for medication?"

"I think it depends on the individual insurance plan."

"I don't know the procedure of every insurance company. I've never appealed a medical… a medical determination, but I would, again, go back to the medicine example. This is really no different… should it be… if you… say, you need 52 weeks of a certain blood pressure medication. Would you want 09900132.docx 82  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 132nd Legislative Day 5/18/2016 the insurance companies to say you only get it for 30 weeks and if you… you need to appeal, what happens in the meantime?"

"I… I don't think…"

"…many of us in this room would want…"

"It certainly does not. I would hope that the… the physician that actually treat a patient would be the ones deciding on the course of treatment, the type of treatment, the amount of treatment that's necessary. I can't imagine how… if all of us had to go and present our medical needs to a team of doctors before we could a medication prescribed… physical treatment issue."

"I'm only taking about…"

"Well, the patients I heard from would prefer their own treating physician to handle that part of the discussion."

"Well, I did look into that issue and it's my opinion that, and there's no definitive answer of course it would have to be something you present up the chain, but it doesn't make sense that it would be considered such. This is already required in the 2006 law. It's just a matter of changing the number of or… or limiting restrictions on the number of visits that can take place. So I don't believe it’s a new benefit. It doesn't…"

"…logically…"

"If you look at what… how essential health benefit is defined, it doesn't discuss the amount of any particular treatment or the provision of a certain treatment. It's the substance; it's the actual treatment itself. This is already on the books; this is already included. I don't believe that changing how it's the… the frequency would impact that. That's my opinion and that's the informal opinion I have received from the inquires I've made."

"Representative Feigenholtz. Lady does not wish to speak. Representative Williams to close."

"Thank you so much, Gentlemen. I appreciated the discussion. Just a few points to make. In 2006, we as a Body decided that for MS patients specifically, physical therapy… preventative physical therapy should be covered under insurance plans. This means a doctor must prescribe physical therapy. They prescribe the type of physical therapy; they prescribe the amount that any particular patient would need much like a medication. By limiting the access of patients to this very important sometimes only treatment you're really impacting not only their quality of life, but costing more in the long run. Often without physical therapy these patients issue… are subject to increased fall risk, they may impact impaired function and mobility which can be dramatically, dramatically improved with the use of physical therapy. I appreciate your support. And I'd… I ask for an 'aye' vote."

"Those in favor of the Bill will vote 'yes'; opposed 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, please take the record. On this question, there are 69 voting 'yes', 38 voting 'no', 2 voting 'present'. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Under the Order of House Bills-Third Reading, House 09900132.docx 86  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 132nd Legislative Day 5/18/2016 Bill 5580, Mr… Representative Wallace. Please read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Representative Wallace."

"I'm sorry. Can we please withdraw this from the record?"

"Out of the record, Mr. Clerk. On page 2 of the Calendar, House Bills-Second Reading, House Bill 4312, Mr. Martwick. Mr. Martwick. Out of the record. Page 4 of the Calendar, House Bills-Third Reading, House Bill 5931, Representative Gabel. Please read the Bill."

"Representative Gabel."

"Thank… thank you, Mr. Speaker. So, House Bill 5931 raises the base wage for direct support persons or DSPs, those who work with persons with developmental disabilities to $15 per hour. This Bill is supported by service providers, advocates, and labor. The State of Illinois has failed to address the issue of rates for developmental disability services for the last eight years. Currently, we rank 45th out of 50 states in funding of these services. Today the system is imploding and we can no longer afford inaction. The average wage of DSPs now in our state is $9.35 per hour. By comparison, the average wage for full-time workers at Walmart is now $13.38 an hour. Macy's is paying $12.70 per hour. In January of this year, most importantly, a federal monitor found that Illinois was 09900132.docx 87  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 132nd Legislative Day 5/18/2016 noncompliant with the Ligas Consent Decree. A court decree that ordered… that requires access to community care for persons with developmental disabilities. If we don't… if we don't pass this Bill and make some changes, the courts are going to require it. Wages for DSPs have fallen so far behind that agencies are reporting staff vacancy rates of 30 percent and it used to be the problem was high turnover now the problem is that they can't even fill these positions. This means that newly built group homes are standing empty, agencies are turning away potential clients, group homes and day programs are operating with skeleton crews filled with exhausted employees who have worked excessive overtime. What's more, inadequate staffing levels put our state at risk of failing to meet federal standards for developmental disability services and failure to meet those standards puts hundreds of millions of federal matching dollars in jeopardy. I'm open for any questions. And asking for an 'aye' vote."

"Mr. Sandack."

"Sponsor yields."

"Yes."

"I think it was about $398 million."

"Three hundred and thirty million." 09900132.docx 88  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 132nd Legislative Day 5/18/2016

"Have I spoken with them about it? They… they talked about it in committee."

"I have not had detailed conversation with them. Half of that is match though, half of that is federal match through Medicaid."

"So this is my concern. My concern is that if we don't fund it that the federal… that the federal and the courts will require us to fund it. I mean, we could lose more federal dollars if we don't fund this program adequately."

"I mean, I think it needs to come out of our general budget. Yeah."

"Yeah." 09900132.docx 89  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 132nd Legislative Day 5/18/2016

"Well, I think it needs to be included in the budget when we finally pass a balanced budget for the state."

"I'm hopeful."

"I… I think though by passing this Bill it will be included in the budget and we can include it when we have our conversations about the budget."

"Representative Bellock."

"Sponsor yields."

"Yes…"

"Yes. We just discussed it with…"

"…Representative Sandack."

"Three hundred and thirty million dollars." 09900132.docx 91  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 132nd Legislative Day 5/18/2016

"Half of which is paid for… is matched by the feds."

"So 150 million."

"It is… it's correct. And, as I've mentioned, the Federal… Federal Government is saying that our program is inadequate, and the court monitor is saying that our program is inadequate, and they are going to be requiring us to pay people enough money so we can have enough staff for all the facilities."

"I'm not sure about that."

"I mean, they already mon… have to monitor the contract. I don't think this will cause any additional monitoring as we…"

"…as we give out large contracts to community-based organizations. The state has the responsibility already to monitor those contracts."

"Representative Ives."

"Sponsor yields."

"I… I'm not aware of that statistic. What I am aware of that today it ranks 45th, so I guess we've done some improvements."

"No."

"I… I'm not happy with 45th, but I am pleased that we are moving in the right direction."

"Representative Gabel to close."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Well, let me just say that I wasn't here. I… and… that many years ago. But the Ligas Consent Decree was filed in 20… was resolved in 2011 and it was only through court orders that the… that the rates for folks serving people with disabilities started to improve. I think we need to continue that. As we… as we said already that the federal monitor found Illinois noncompliant with the Ligas Consent Decree and that this court order can only require us to truly be able to pay people at the rate that… that we need to so we can keep DSP workers in the… in the facilities. Beyond quality and access to services though, beyond compliance with court decrees and federal rules, there's a basic issue of justice for the… these workers. We give a lot of lip service to the value of community services 09900132.docx 95  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 132nd Legislative Day 5/18/2016 to persons with disabilities. Lip service is not enough. We need to value what these workers do by providing them with a living wage and… and providing needed… the needed qualified experienced stable workforce to care for the health, safety and well-being of people with disabilities. I urge an 'aye' vote."

"Those in favor of the Lady’s Bill will vote 'yes'; opposed 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, please take the record. On this question, there are 67 voting 'yes', 43 voting 'no'. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 4312, on the Order of Second Reading, Mr. Martwick. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

"Third Reading. Please read the Bill."

"Mr. Martwick."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Today I present to you House Bill 4312. House Bill 4312 would provide in statute for an elected representative Board of Trustees for the City College System of Chicago, which is the Community College System of Chicago. Established in 1966, the City Colleges were originally designed to be an appointed board and it has been that way since its inception. 09900132.docx 96  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 132nd Legislative Day 5/18/2016 It is the only Community College System in the country that has an appointed board and then unelected board. This would make those board of trustee positions elected by the voters and the citiz… constituents of the City of Chicago. You may remember a while back we had a robust debate and a Bill passed overwhelmingly that would create an elected school board for the City of Chicago Public Schools K through 12. This is identical. So these are the same provisions, the same board structure and the same concerns that were brought up by my colleagues on the other side of the aisle that we addressed in that Bill have made it into this Bill. This is an identical Bill. We passed the CPS Bill with a 110 votes. I hope that we could achieve a similar Majority here. I ask for an 'aye' vote and I'd be happy to answer any questions."

"Mr. Sandack."

"Sponsor yields."

"You know, I… Representative, I hope not. You know, it’s interesting that, you know, think the world is a little bit upside down. It seems like Bills come out of our chamber now and die over there. But no, I… I'm very hopeful that this Bill will get the consideration it’s due. Again, I… I think 09900132.docx 97  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 132nd Legislative Day 5/18/2016 that this is just a matter of communicating these issues over in that other chamber. I think the Members are very aware that I think they’re encouraged and they’re interested in it. It's just, you know, we need to get the President to move it."

"Try to, yeah."

“Right.”

"Right. Well, I… I appreciate your concerns. What I would suggest is that on these bits of legislation that are making pretty profound changes to the system as it currently exists, sometimes, it doesn't happen all in one bite and we have to work on it. I think that the idea of… of Members on both sides of the aisle, like we did with the K through 12 09900132.docx 98  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 132nd Legislative Day 5/18/2016 Bill with CPS, same to the City of Chicago. Yeah, it's time for the voters, the residents, the taxpayers, they're going to be on the hook for that situation to begin to have some control over it. When we sent that out with a 110 votes, I think we sent a strong message and I believe that the Senate is hearing that message. And I think… I really do believe that this will be part… as we address all of the education issues that we're doing… I think that Bill will be a part of it and… and I hope that this one will be too. So I don't think it’s in vain. I think it's a good stop."

"Yes. And…"

"…the good… the good news here is… is that my Senate Bill was a shell… I mean, my K through 12 Bill was a shell which meant it was already under their control. Here we'll be able to choose our own…"

"…House Spon… Senate Sponsor."

"Fair enough."

"Thank you."

"Representative Ives."

"Sponsor yields."

"Give me one second. Let me just…"

"So to… to be honest with you, Representative, I do not know. They did not testify in committee. We didn't really hear anything from them, so I… I really don’t know."

"I'm trying to ascertain it, but I don't…"

“Thank you.”

"Mr. Riley."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"Sponsor yields."

"Representative Martwick, wholeheartedly support your Bill. It's higher education, self-determination for the people of the City of Chicago. But I'm interested in how… how 09900132.docx 100  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 132nd Legislative Day 5/18/2016 are they going to cut the districts? I understand that the people will be elected from a district and there'll be one at-large member. Does the Bill address how those districts are going to be carved out?"

"So, it… it does. And this is… it addresses it in the same manner that the CPS elected board did, which is the… the maps will be drawn by the Legislature. And they will be drawn with an eye towards ensuring that we… that the districts are reflective of the… the racial, and ethnic, and demographic breakdown of the City of Chicago. So hopefully to ensure minority representation on the board. That's the goal."

"Okay. Thank you."

"Mr. Martwick to close."

"I ask for an 'aye' vote."

"Those in favor of the Bill will vote 'yes'; opposed 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, please take the record. On this question, there are 112 voting 'yes', 2 voting 'no'. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On page 3 of the Calendar, under the Order of House Bills-Third Reading, appears House Bill 5580. Representative Wallace. Out of the record. Chair recognizes Mr. Reis. For what reason do you rise, Sir?"

"Chair is here to try to answer your inquiries, Sir."

"Seems to me there were some recalled yesterday. I'll get back to you on that, Sir."

"I'll try to get back to you on that, Sir."

"I will… I will consult the higher authority. Mr. Clerk, Agreed Resolutions."

"Leader Currie moves for the adoption of the Agreed Resolutions. Those in favor say 'yes'; opposed 'no'. The ‘ayes’ have it. And Agreed Resolutions are adopted. Members, if you’ll check the House Bulletin that’s being distributed, you’ll see that Friday’s Session is canceled. And you’ll see that Monday’s Session is still on at 2:00. Is that all you say, Mr. Franks, is just boo or yah and that’s it? Page 5 of the Calendar, Senate Bills-Third Reading, there appears 09900132.docx 102  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 132nd Legislative Day 5/18/2016 Senate Bill 2221, Mr. Beiser. Please read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Mr. Beiser."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. This is the Senate version of a Bill we just passed unanimously out of this chamber dealing with the Sexual Assault Evidence Submission Act. It requires the State Police to notify law enforcement agencies when there's been a hit on a DNA profile. It requires the law enforcement agency starting January 1 of '16, to connect the inventory of all the sexual assault cases in their custody and forward those findings to the State's Attorney. And it requires the State Police starting January 1, 2017, to publish a formal report indicating a breakdown the number of cases submissions from every law enforcement agency. Be happy to answer any questions. I'd ask for an 'aye' vote."

"Those in favor of the Gentleman's Bill will vote 'yes'; opposed 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Please rec… please take the record, Mr. Clerk. 115 voting 'yes', 0 voting 'no'. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Senate Bill 2228, Representative Cassidy. Please read the Bill."

"Representative Cassidy." 09900132.docx 103  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 132nd Legislative Day 5/18/2016

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and Members of the House. This Bill represents the changes that we made to the Uniform Civil Enforcement of Cannabis Act, at the request of the Governor. This Bill passed our chamber and the Senate last year with bipartisan support. It's the result of many, many years of work. And the… the Governor's Amendatory Veto is completely encapsulated in this Bill. We have… we have committed to respecting the language of the Amendatory Veto and that is what is in this. What is represented here is a shift from what we have here in… in the state is a patchwork of… of local ordinances that permit some people to get tickets for very low level possessions, some people to get arrested. What this will do is create a threshold under which arrest is not an option. Tickets are… would be the way to go with very, very low level cannabis possession, we're talking about less than 10 grams. And I welcome your questions. We have… we have debated this thoroughly several times, but I'm sure there will still be some questions."

"Mr. Sandack."

"Sponsor yields."

"My intention is to keep people out of the criminal justice system.”

“What we have found in our experience is that… there… that these… these local ordinances they're not seeing that, but I hear your concerns."

"Absolutely. And I think by Amendment you mean trailer, or follow-up legislation, or whatever."

"And… and absolutely. I actually believe this is the beginning of a lengthy conversation about this issue that's going to go both ways, right? I mean, we may see that the sky doesn't fall and we could go further. We may see that there's a problem and we need to repair it. In all of the areas, whether we're talking about the quantities, whether we're talking about repeat offenders, whether we’re talking about the… the fine levels, all of those things I actually believe we need to keep talking about this area of policy and you've been a great partner in this and…"

"I am committed to doing what… what experience and data shows is the right thing to do to keep this area of the law appropriate and current."

"Those in favor the Lady’s Bill will vote 'yes'; opposed 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Please record yourselves, Members. Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, please take the record. On this question, there are 64 voting 'yes', 50 voting 'no'. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Senate Bill 2303, Mr. Harris. Please read the Bill."

“Mr. Harris.” Harris, G.: "Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This is an initiative of the Secretary of the State, Jesse White. It moves forward by a couple… I think by about 60 days the period for mandatory transfer of some funds from funds of the Secretary of State into GRF in order to clear lapse period spending. I know of no opposition. I'd be happy to answer any questions."

"Those in favor the Bill will vote 'yes'; opposed 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, please take the record. On this question, there are 115 voting 'yes', 0 voting 'no'. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Senate Bill 2331, Mr. Mitchell. Please read the Bill." 09900132.docx 107  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 132nd Legislative Day 5/18/2016

"Mr. Mitchell." Mitchell, C.: "Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This is a clean-up Bill to a Bill that passed last year. Making sure that sensitive health care services would not be disclosed in a case, for example, domestic violence treatment or some other sensitive services that would be sent to a home. This was in response to clarify current practice based on some concerns expressed by some of the care entities. I would ask for an 'aye' vote."

"Those in favor of the Gentleman's Bill will vote 'yes', opposed 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, please take the record. There are 115 voting 'yes', 0 voting 'no'. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Senate Bill 2332, Representative Nekritz. Representative Nekritz. Please read the Bill."

“Representative Nekritz.”

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Senate Bill 2332 is a follow- up to legislation that this Body passed back in, I believe, 2007 to authorize license clinical social workers to be… or behavioral therapist to be able to bill Medicaid. The rules were never implemented under that and this would simply require that the rules would be in place within 90 days."

"Those in favor of the Bill will vote 'yes'; opposed 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all 09900132.docx 108  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 132nd Legislative Day 5/18/2016 voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, please take the record. There are 115 voting 'yes', 0 voting 'no'. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Senate Bill 2343, Representative Williams. Please read the Bill."

"Representative Williams."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Unlike my previous Bill, this has a widespread bipartisan support. This Bill is to regulate law enforcement use of what is commonly known as a stingray device which is actually a cell site simulator. And it what… what this device does is it's a powerful technology often used in the military and it allows law enforcement to obtain personal data from cell phones. And what we're saying is, to utilize this technology we’re happy that law enforcement uses it, but we want to ensure that those that… how it's used complies with all constitutional protections and that data gathered on innocent people is deleted. So, I'll be happy to answer any questions."

"Those in favor of the Bill will vote 'yes'; opposed 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Please take the record. 115 voting 'yes', 0 voting 'no'. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Senate Bill 2354, Mr. Martwick. Please read the Bill."

"Mr. Martwick."

"Thank you, Mr. Pre… Mr. Speaker, and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Senate Bill 2354 is an initiative of the Common Interest Community Associations and the Domes… Common Interest Community Associations Act, and Condominium Property Act to expand the reasons a board of an association can hold a closed meeting for. Currently, a board can hold a closed meeting to discuss litigation, the appointment, employment or dismissal of an employee, and violations of rules and regulations, and number 4, a unit owner’s unpaid common in… common expenses. What this does is this allows them to close any portion of a meeting to dis… to also discuss third party engagements or the dismissals of independent contractors, agents, or other providers of goods or services, or also to interview potential employees, independent contractors, agents or providers of goods or services, and to consult with an association’s legal counsel. The… these are to… to change the law in order to adopt the… the idea that many of these condominium associations are dealing with more than just employees these days. Much of this is third party contracts and allows them to discuss these matters in closed session, but they cannot make any changes or adopt any… have any votes until they're actually in an open session when the… the residents would have a chance to attend the meeting. I ask for an 'aye' vote."

"Mr. Thapedi."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"Sponsor yields." 09900132.docx 110  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 132nd Legislative Day 5/18/2016

"Representative Martwick, just to clarify. The Chicago Bar Association, what is their position now? My analysis is indicating that they’re opposed. Have you resolved their conflict?"

"I… I have not resolved their conflict. My understanding is that they are opposed. My understanding is that it was and… and again, I… I'm wary to speak on behalf of the Chicago Bar Association, so I wouldn't take my word as law here, but my understanding is, is that they were somewhat split and there was a portion of the Bar Association that drove this opposition. At first, they had no opposition, but then there was something that happened with a part of the association and that drove that opposition. So it’s mixed, is my understanding."

"So, if you know what… what portion of the Chicago Bar was opposed and what were the two factions? Was it the legislative branch of the Chicago Bar Association or was it the condominium association team from the Chicago Bar? Just to get some clarification as to exactly what their opposition was and whether or not this is something that you can cure over in the Senate."

"You know, my understanding was is that there was an… and of course I… I'm happy to work with the CBA on this. But… but, as… as you might remember during the… our committee hearing, they filed in opposition, but appearance only. So there was no testimony from the CBA. I'm happy to work with them if there's something to work out. I believe that the issue was around the notice of the closed meetings. Th… the legislation as it drafted removed the requirement that they 09900132.docx 111  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 132nd Legislative Day 5/18/2016 notice up these closed sessions, which are discussion purposes only. There is… there are no votes being taken, but there… there way a problem where they were noticing it to the residents. The residents would show up only to be told that this wasn't a meeting that they could attend. So they removed that requirement and… and there was some concern from some members of the CBA in this, but not, again, not all of them. But ultimately, they are an opposition."

"No, I appreciate that. And again, I'm not looking at the actual language in the Bill, but I'm going to rely on the analysis that I'm reviewing and I'm going to trust that our lawyers have adequately analyzed the Bill. It indicates that one of the basis in which there can be a closed meeting would be for a provider of goods or services. Could you expand upon that a little bit?"

"Well, again, thi… this is… I think this anticipates the reality that…"

"And I say that, Bob, because the other aspects make a lot of sense that they want to consult with counsel; they want to interview a potential employee. I could see why they would want to close the meeting off from the remainder of the residents to discuss those issues, but I was kind of focusing in on that one provision that looks like almost like a catchall, the provider of goods and services. What… what the intent is there?"

"And again, my understanding, Representative, is that it is… allows them to… to the flexibility because they’re… they’re doing so much more through private contracts as opposed to hire staff and employees, that this just allows 09900132.docx 112  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 132nd Legislative Day 5/18/2016 them to discuss contracts with these providers of goods and services. And then, any action or vote would be taken in the open meeting."

"Thank you, Representative."

"Thank you."

"Those in favor of the Bill will vote 'yes'; opposed 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, please take the record. On this question, there are 111 voting 'yes', 3 voting 'no'. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Senate Bill 2358, Mr. Martwick. Please read the Bill."

"Mr. Martwick."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen. This is Senate Bill 2358 which, again, amends both the Common Interest Community Association Act and Condominium Property Act to require that an assignment of an successors developer's interest will be effective only after the successor developer obtains it in writing and records it in the county in which the property is located. This is an entity that develops or sells real estate after requiring the rights to develop and/or sell the real estate from the person who created or other successive developer. Currently, the Acts do not require this in writing, the assignment of interest. And again, this is… it's a real simple thing. It just provides clarity as to who holds the developer interest because it’ll now be in writing and recorded. I ask for an 'aye' vote." 09900132.docx 113  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 132nd Legislative Day 5/18/2016

"Mr. Franks."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

"Sponsor yields."

"Rob, have you… where are the banks on this? Our summary doesn't indicate that they've hav… have weighed-in, but they would be directly a… affected by this."

"As… as far as I'm aware, Representative, they did not weigh-in. They have taken no position on this legislation. They were not there at committee and did not testify one way or the other. In fact, I don't even believe they filed an appearance on this."

"Which is interesting because this would directly affect, for instance, if a bank had actually loaned the money to a developer and the developer then, you're requiring them to obtain in writing an assignment, you’d think that the bank would be affected as an assignee. So I… I'm just surprised. I'd just like to know what their thoughts are."

"Well, I… and again, Representative, I… given your area of expertise, I’ll defer to your expertise on this. I would… I would not have presumed that myself just 'cause I'm not aware of that, but they did not weigh in as far as I can tell."

"I'd like to find out 'cause here… here's the thought process… what I'm thinking. Let's assume there's a developer and what we saw after 2007 is that many developers went… went bankrupt and they were buying property on speculation. And then as a result there was a question of who would be the developer and whether the… whether the… a successor developer or whether there's an assignment of a beneficial interest, 09900132.docx 114  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 132nd Legislative Day 5/18/2016 whether the developer’s rights go away. And I just don't think this really spells that out. Because I'm concerned, if there's a bankruptcy issue, what happens with the assignment? And I'm not sure that's been discussed so. With your indulgence, would you mind taking it out of the record and I can try to do a little bit of research, and we can talk about this tomorrow? But I just… I'm not sure that this Bill is soup, but it might be. But I just want to make sure."

"Give… give me one second, Representative."

"Okay."

"Again, Representative, I… obviously, you have some personal expertise in these matters. I just… we're… we're at this point now where this Bill is…"

"I know…"

"I mean, it's gone through the process…"

"No… I…"

"…without anybody weighing in and and I mean, if there is a problem going forward, I mean, this Bill obviously has to get its way to the Governor's Office. I'll be happy to work with you in that next step. I’d just hate to hold it up on this short Calendar."

"I get it and I… and I…"

"We just canceled Friday."

"I just sent a text…"

"An… and I really think it's… and I understand. But I… I really think this is just memorializing that assignment. Currently, condominium associations… the associations are finding out that these assignments are happening without any… without… without anything being obtained in writing or being 09900132.docx 115  STATE OF ILLINOIS 99th GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 132nd Legislative Day 5/18/2016 recorded so that there is uncertainty as to who is responsible."

"Oh, I get it…"

"So this is sort of tightening that up, but I would be happy to do trailer legislation with you."

"There may be… I think…"

"Is that possible?"

"…you might be right. I agree with what you're trying to do because I think it's critically important, but I'm just… want to make sure it's done right because I think there might be some gapping loopholes. So I'm happy to do anything you need. I was… as you said, it’s just that I'm trying to reach out to some of those stakeholders."

"I… I appreciate that. I… with your intelligence, given the short time I'd like to put this on the board and… and if we need to follow up with trailer legislation, I'll be happy to work on that with you."

"Thank you very much."

"Thank you."

"Those in favor of the Bill will vote 'yes'; opposed 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, please take the record. There are 110 voting 'yes', 4 voting 'no', 1 voting 'present'. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Senate Bill 2386, Representative Gabel. Representative Gabel. Please read the Bill."

"Representative Gabel."

"This Bill is just a technical cleanup. It… it adds a Section for the DD Facility Advisory Board. It provides that any format or rules being adopted by the Department of Public Health in relations to a facility’s license will be discussed before the board. It's a technical cleanup. It was a part that was left out when the Bill was changed last year."

"Those in favor of the Bill will vote 'yes'; opposed 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, please take the record. On this question, there are 115 voting 'yes', 0 voting 'no'. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. And now, leaving perfunctory time for the Clerk, Leader Currie moves that the House stand adjourned ‘til Thursday, May 19 at the hour of 11 a.m. Those in favor say 'yes'; opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. And the House stands adjourned until Thursday, May 19 at the hour of 11 a.m. Go, House."