Illinois Senate Floor Debate — November 15, 1990

The hour of nine having arrived, the Senate will please come to order. Will the Members be at their desks, and will our guests in the gallery kindly rise. Prayer this morning by the Reverend Prank O 'Hara, St. Peter and Paul Catholic Church, Sprinqfield, Illinois. Father. eHE REVEREND FRANK O 'HAQA) (Prayer by the Reverend Frank O'Hara)

Thank you, Father. Reading of the Journal. Senator Hall.

Thank you, Mr. President. I move that reading and approval of the Journals of Thursday, November 8th; Tuesday: November 13th) and Wednesday, November 14th, in the year 1990, be postponed, pending arrival of the printed Journals.

You've heard the motion as placed by Senator Hall. Is there any discussion? If not, all in favor, indicate by saying Aye. A1l opposed. The Ayes have it. The motion carries, and it is so ordered .

Resolutions 14...

Resolutions.

Senate ReGolutions 1447 through 1461 offered Senator Hall. Senate Resolution 1462 offered by Senator Lechowicz. Senate Resolution 1463 offered by Senator Raica. Senate Resolution 1464 offered by Senator Lechowicz and President Rock. And Senate Resolution 1465 offered by President Rock and all Members. l  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLX REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 117th Legislative Day November 1990 They're a1l congratulatory and death resolutions.

Conaent Calendar. Senator Madigang for what purpose do you arise, sir?

Point of personal privilege, Mr. President.

State your point, please.

Thank you, Mr. President. Visiting with us today in the visitors' gallery is a group of students from the American Problems and American History Class of Lincoln High School and their instructor, Ida Johnson. If you kould welcome, would appreciate it.

Will our guests in the gallery please rise and be recoqnized. Welcome to Springfield. Senator Vadalabenez for what purpose do you arise, sir?

Thank you, Mr. President and Members of the Senate. There dll be a Democratic Caucus immediately in Room 212. Immediately in Room 212.

A1l right. I would point out that request obviously is in order. I would point out that if you take a look at the Calendar on Paqe l6, we have only eight items remaininq on Ehe agenda wlth the possibility of a ninth and probably a tenth. So we can handle our business with dispatch. I would encourage everybody to please get to Room 2l2 in a hurry so we can get this over With. Senator Geo-Karis. SENATOR GEO-RARIS: Mr. President and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate, there  STATE OP ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEXBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 117th Legislative Day November 15, 1990 will be a Republican Caucus immediately thereafter in Senator Philip's offices.

Al1 right. Republican Caucus immediately in Senator Philip's office. Democratic Caucus immediately in Room 212. The Senate will stand in Recess. Senator Brookins, for what purpose do you arise, sir?

Yes. Mr. Presidenty on a point of personal privilege. In the qallery over the Republican section, we have members of the BCU, Black Contractors United with their President, Glen Halston, and their Vice President, Larry Huggins.

Will our guests please rise and be recognized. Welcome. All right. Ladies and Gentlemen, the respective caucuses in 212 and Senator Philipls office lmmediately. The Senate Will stand in recess for approximately thirty minutes. (RECESS) (SENATE RECONVENES)

Ladies and Gentlemen, I can ask you please to take your seats, we have some special guests. And before we begin, Channels 2, 5, 9 and 20 have requested permission to shoot some film. Without objection, leave is granted. The Chair will yield to Senator Newhouse for the introduction gf our special guests. Senator Newhouse.

Thank youy Mr. Presidentr Senators. My eolleagues in the  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 117th Legislative Day November 1990 senate committee on commerce and Economic Development, senator ''Babe'' Woodyard and 1, are please to have today's guests present in these Chambers. Leading them is Wang Li# Consul General of the People's Republic of China. Illinois enjoys trade relations With its sister province of Liaoning and with China. A feW weeks ago a trade delegation from China came to Illinois to further extend the purchase of Illinois commodities. We hope that such fine groundWork will serve as the base for building even better and broader trade between Illinois and China. hope you a1l Will join us in weleoming Mr. Wan: Li and his colleagues to the Senate. Consul.

(Remarks by Consul General Li)

Thank you very much, Consul General, and if I could just briefly mention a word of thanks also to the People's Republic of China, and particularly Wang Li. I had the opportunity to visit mainland China in 1987, and again in 1990. In January of this year, I Was out there about two and a half weeks. was in Caterpillar plants and Dresser Corporation plants, and so we do do a lot of business with China. And it certainly is an honor for me to have this entire delegation here. As a matter of fact, the university of my district, Eastern Illinois University, is sistered with a university in China, and some of the delegation here today are professors and instructors at that University Northwest Polytechnie University at Xian China. So we have kind of a twofold delegation. Thank you very much for your attention.

Resolutions, Madam Seeretary. /

Senate Resolution 1466 offered by Senator Hawkinson. Senate Resolution 1467 offered by Senator Savlckasr Presâdent 4  STATE 0F ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGDLAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 117th Legislative Day November 15# 1990 Rock and all Members. And Senate Resolution 1468 offered by Senator Mahar. They 're all congratulatory.

Consent Calendar. If I ean have your attention, Ladies and Gentlemen. There 's been a request ko go to the Order of Secretary's Desk, Resolueions. Senator Collins has an amendment to Senate Joint Resolution 2-1-8. With leave of *he Body, we'll move to the Order of Secretary 's Desk, Resolutions. Madam Secretary, Senate Joint Resolution 218.

Senate Joint Resolution 218. Amendment No. l offered by Senator Collins.

Senator Collins.

Yes. Thank you, Mr. President and Members of the Senate. I'm sure that most of you saW -- received a letter from me, and also a copy of the - of a resolution. And yesterday we amended resolution, and it is my understanding that it has been approved by that side of the aisle, but Which it simply reduce the size of the membership on the committee from twenty-one to sixteen. And we provided for co-chairs rather than a single -- the -- the chairperson of the State Board of Election Committee. We have tWo co-chairs -- two people from that. We have tWo members. We eliminated the position of Executive Director from the Chicago Board of Elections: and we reduced the size of the public members appointees from 8 to 4. And I would move from for its adoption.

All rtght. Senator Collins has moved the adoption of Amendment No. l to Senate Joint Resolution 218. Disaussion? 5  STATE OP ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLX REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 117th Legislative Day November 15, 1990 Senator Dudycz.

Thank you, Mr. President. I just have one question of the Senator. Senator Collins, where -- Where you have membershtp -- by the Chairman of the Republican Party and Chairman of the Democrat Party, does that include their designee, or just the chairman themselves?

Senator Collins.

No. The the bill itself speaks to the Chair, whoever that is, not -- you mean, their -- yes, yes, their designee ean be on the -- itls the Chair: but if they -- like in most cases, ik didn't Eay that. But they can send a representative in case they can't nake a meeting. That's al1 it's about.

Senator Dudycz.

Thank you. Just to clear -- just to clear the record, you or -- it is your intent that it's either the Chairman or their designee of either party? PRESIDENT ROCR Z Senator Collins.

It is my intent that the Chair be the official person on the committee, but kt does not mean Ehat they cannot deslgnate someone *o sit in on a meeting. PRESIDENT R0CR: Al1 right. Senator Collins has moved the adoption of Amendment No. l to Senate Joint Resolution 218. Discussion? If not, all in favor, indicate by saying Aye. A1l opposed. The Ayes have it. The amendment is adopted. Senator Collins, we will 9et 6  STATE 0F TLLTNOTS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 117th Legislative Day November l5# 1990 back to this order, once people have a chance to take a look at the amendment. Senator Luft, for what purpose do you arise, sir?

Thank you, Mr. President. I Would ask that the Senate go the Order of Consideration Postponedy Conference Committee Reports, which is at the bottom of Page 11 of the Calendary for ehe purpose of considerinq House Bill 2030.

A1l right. The Gentleman seeks leave of the Body to move to the Order of Page ll, Consideration Postponed on Conference Committee Reports, for the purpose of requesting a Second Conference Committee on House Bill 2030. Senator Luft, on House - - Conference Committee -- First Conference Committee Report on House Bill 2030. Senator Luft.

Thank you, Mr. President. I would ask that We defeat or dump the Conference Committee -- the First Conference Committee Report on House Bill 2030 for the purpose of creating a Second Conference Committee Report.

A11 right. The question is, shall the is there any discussion? We have done this procedure before. We have to literally defeat the First Conference Committee Report and ask for a second one, and that will be back before us. Senator Kustra.

Thank you, Mr. President. With leave of *he EenaEey I would ask to be removed as a hyphenated co-sponsor of House Bill 2030.

That request is in order. Madam Secretary, With leave of the Body, Senator Kustra will be removed. All right. The question is, shall the Senate adope *he Conference Committee Report on House Bill 2030. Those in favor, vote Aye. Those opposed, vote 7  STATE 0F ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLV REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 117th Legislative Day November l5: 1990 Nay. The votinq 's open. Al1 voted who Wish? Have al1 voted Who wish? Have a11 voted who wish? Take the record. On that question, there are 15 Ayes, 14 Nays, none voting Present. The Conference Committee Report is not adopted, and the Secretary shall so inform the House. And Senator Luft has requested the appointment of a Second Conference Commiteee. Senator Collins, do you want ko go back to yours while we've had intervening business? Ladies and Gentlemen, again we're on the Order of Seeretary's Desk, Resolutions. Senate Joint Resolution 2-1-8e Madam Secretary.

Senate Joint Resolutlon 2-1-8.

Senaeor Collins.

Yes. Thank you, Mr. President and Members of khe Senate. I am sure that each of you reeeived a letter from me and each of you probably shared the same feelings that I did and many citizens across the State, durin: the last election in this State that there is most cerkainly' I think, a general feeling across the State that it is past due for Illinois to seriously pass some legislation that will reform and make the electoral process fair and equitable, and hopefully we can bring back some dignity to the whole process. There have been several attempts over the past several years to pass some legislation, but it is my personal oplnlon those efforts died and gave Way to partisan politàcs and we didn't have any success. So what this resolution attempts to do to neutralize the politics and to provide for the opportunity for broad participation from a cross section of people, including legislators, and other elected officials in this State, to really seriously sit down together and come to and reach some kind of common grounds by which we can devetop some legislation that Would 8  STATE 0P ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMZLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT ll7tb Legislative Day November l5, 1990 make *he eleatoral process more meaningful in the State of Illinois. This resolution simply establish a sixteen-member task foree to do just that. I think is evenly split amon: Democrats and Republicans, and also the selection process of the members are evenly and equally split, so that we Would from that perspective eliminate ehe politics from that whole process. This committee will not usurp the regular committee process. Whatever recommendations come forth, they will most certaknly go through that process. That's why it's imporkant thae we pass it at this time, so that the task force can :et about the business of its Work and come back before the deadlines for bills, and ccme up with some meaningful reform that we all can live With. So I would ask for your favorable consideration. Would be happy to ansker any questions, if you would have any.

A1l right. Senator Collins has moved the adoption of Senate Joint Resolution 218. Discussion? Senator Dudycz. SENATOR DUDYCZ; Thank you, Mr. President. Just for khe Members on the Republican sidez Senate Joint Resolution 218 is a good and a very fair idea, and I commend Senator Collins for comin: up With it# and in view of -- the highly neqative eampaigns in the most recent election, it is clear that we must reviek how elections have been conducted and how we ean improve in the process. Again I commend the Senator, and I -- I think that everybody should vote for it. PRESIDENT RocKz A1l right. The question is the adoption of Senate Joint Resolukion 218. Those in favor Will vote Aye. Opposed vote, Nay, and the voting is open. Have a1l voted Who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have a1l voted Who wish? Take the record. On that question, there are 52 Ayes, Nays: none voting Present. Senate Joint Resolution 218, having received the required 9  STATE 0F ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 117th Legislative Day November 1990 constitutional majority, is declared adopted. A11 right. Ladies and Gentlemen, again, as I indicated earlier, there truly is not a 1ot on the Calendar. So my suggestion is we start at the top, understanding that this is the last day for the Senate to deal with messages returned to us by the Governor, with respect to Senate Bills. Top of Paqe l6, Ladies and Gentlemen. Top of Page l6. Senaee Bill 784. Senator Topinka has informed the chair she does not Wish to call that. Senate Bill 1496. Senakor Lechowicz. Indicates he does not wish eo call. Senate Bill 1501. Senator Netsch. Does not kish to pursue it. Senate Bi11 2050 Will not be called. Middle of Page 16. Senate Bill 2222. Senakor Welch. Madam Secretary, read the motion, please.

I move to accept the Specific Recommendatàons of the Governor as to Senate Bill 2222 in manner and form as follows: Amendment to Senate Bill 2222 in Acceptance of Governor's Recommendations Filed by Senator Welch.

Senator Welch. SENATOR WELCH ) Thank you, Mr. President. This bill Was up yesterday. 1* had in the provision about the airport in New Lenox. The override didn't work. It also had the provision about the Quad City bondin: provision. That is what the Governor vetoed out. The underlyin: blll was supported by everyone pretty substantially. It passed 55 to 2 tn the Senate, and I would urge that We accept the Governor's recommendations.

Is there any discussion? Discussion? If not, the question is, shall the Senate aceept the specific recommendations of the Governor as to Senate Bil1 2222, in the manner and form just 10  STATE OP ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLX REGDLAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 117th Legislative Day November 15, 1990 stated by Senate Welch. Those in favor will vote Aye. Opposed, vote Nay. The voting's open. Have all voted Who Wish? Have al1 voted who wish? Have a1l voted Who wish? Take the record. On that question, there are 57 Ayes: l Nay, none voting Present. The specific recommendations of the Governor as to Senate Bill 2222, having received the required constitutional majority vote of Senators elected, are declared accepted. Senator D'Arco. 2217. Doesnlt wish to pursue it. 2036. Senator Luft. Madam Secretary, read *he motion, please.

I move to accept the Specific Recommendations of the Governor as to Senate Bill 2036 in manner and form as follows: Amendment to Senate Bill 2036 in Acceptance of Governor's Recommendations Filed by Senator Luft.

Senator Luft.

Thank you, Mr. President. I Would move that the Senate accept the specific recommendations of change by the Governor. Those changes were the elimination of the possibility of creating a TIF diskrict: the elimination of the possibility of creatinq an enterprise zone; and the elimination of the State having to accept the moral obligations of the bonds issued by the Authority.

senator Luft has moved to aecept the specific recommendations of the Governor. Is there any dtscussion? Discussion? If not, the question is, shall the Senate accept the specific recommendations of the Governor as to Senate Bill 2036, in the manner and form just stated by Senator Lufk. Those in favor Will voee Aye. Opposed, vote Nay. The voting is open. Have a1l voted who wish? Have a11 voted who wish? Have a11 voted who wish? 11  STATS OF ILLINOIS 86th GENZRAL ASSEMBLX REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 117th Legislative Day November 1990 Take the record. On that question, there are 58 Ayes, no Nays, none votin: Present. The specific recommendations of the Governor as to Senate Bill 2036, having received ehe required constitukional majority voke of Senators elected, are declared accepted. Senator Maltland, you had a motion you wished to pursue? Senator Maitland.

Thank you very much, Mr. Presidenk, Members of the Senate. I have spoken with both sides of the aisler and I do wish to move to discharge the Committee on Rules for further consideration of House Bill 3037 to place -- to -- to gut that bill -- take the take the substance out of and place in it some necessary language ko address -- to address the students -- Student Assistant Commissàon. I have talked with Senator Rock, Senator Philip and okher Members, and I Would therefore, Mr. President, remove -- renew my motton.

Al1 riqht. The Gentleman has moved to discharge the Rules Commlttee from further consideration of House Bi11 3037, and asks to be placed on the Calendar on the Order of 2nd Reading. A1l in favor of that motion, indicate by saying Aye. All opposed. The Ayes have The motion carries. It's so ordered. Resolutions.

Senate Resolution 1469 offered by Senators Davidson, Karpiel. Weaver and all Republican Members. senate Resolution 1470 offered by Senator Marovitz -- SenatorG Marovitz, Carroll and Berman. Theydre both congratulatory.

Senator Philip, for what purpose do you arise, sir? SENATOR PHILIPZ Thank you, Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senake.  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 117th Legislative Day November 15# 1990 I'd ask thak the record indicate Senator DeAngelis is out of town on family business.

The record will so refleet. All right. Wefre -- wedre still awalting some further paper diskribution, as always happens around here it seems: so# in the meantime we have a couple of very important resolutions. Senate Resolution 1469. The Chair recognizes Senator Davidson.

Mr. President: Members of the Senate. This is sponsored by a11 of us. This pays tribute to an outstanding person who works for *he Republiean staff appropriation area. It reads as follows: (Senator Davidson reads SR 1469)

Senator Davidson has moved the adoption of Senate Resolution 1469. Discussion? If not: a11 in favor, indicate by saying Aye. All opposed. The Ayes have The resolution is adoptedw and congratulations to Mlchael Bass: whereever he is. Senator Savickas, you had a resolution you wish to present? Madam Secretary, please.

Senate Resolution 1467 offered by Senators Savickas, President Rock and a11 Members. (Secretary reads Senate Resolution 1467)

Senator Savickas.

Yes. Mr. President. Members of the Senate, it's -- I think it's qratifying to see that we do have people thak believe in Ehe institution of marriage. Paith is our telephone operator, for those of you that don 't realize it, on the Democraeic side here. Her and Carl have been eogether fifty years. Her attitude 13  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLX REGDLAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 117th Leqislative Day November 1990 evidently is a great contributing factor, because she is one of the sweetest persons that we lve had here, on the Democratic staff. And I Would just like to conqratulate her and her husband. Faith. Faith.

Paith, congratulations. Senator Savickas has moved the adoption of Senate Resolution 1467. A11 in favor, indicate by saying Aye. All opposed. The Ayes have it. The resolution is adopted. Senator Luft. All right. With leave of the Body, Ladies and Gentlemen, a Supplemental Calendar has been dlstributed. On that Calendar is a Seeond Conference Committee Report on House Bill 2030, Madam Secretary.

Second Conference Committee Report on House Dill 2030.

Senator Luft.

Thank you: Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. I Would move thak we adopt the 2nd Conference Committee Report on House Bi11 2030. The Conference Committee Report creates a supplemental downstate school financial assistance fund, and it requires a fifty-million-dollar GRF appropriation in FY#92, *93, '94: into that fund, and distributes that monies to all school districts With the exception of the City of Chicago. A supplemental downstate financial assistant rate shall be calculated by takinq the ratio of a district's fornula entitlement to the entitlement of a11 districts, vith, as I stated earlier, the exception of the City of Chicago, and that ratio then be applied to the total available monies. The monies shall be paid to districts on the same schedule as State Aid payments.

A1l right. Senator Luft has moved the adoption of the Second 14  STATE OP ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 117th Legislative Day November l5, 1990 Conference committee Report on House Bill 2030. Discussion? Senator Schaffer.

Well, this is an interesting proposal. I'm not quite surer perhaps the sponsor can tell us where the -- the money is goin: to come from. I'm also curiousy would the Byron Sehool District and the other nuclear power plant districts in the State receive additional funds through this supplemental program? It occurs to me, we hake just had a lawsuit filedz and the implicakions of that lawsuit are not yet clear. But one thing is clear, and that's that the current way we finance schools is likely to be invalkdated by the courts, and that we will in fact be here - possibly as early as next spring - totally redoing the education finance system. NoW this proposal may make it more palatable for certain people to vote for other proposals to fund schools in large urban centers, but I don't think anybody can take as a serious proposal. Obviously I -- I Would imagine the Covernor Would have to veko ehe bill, because the money is not here. The action is precipitous, considering the laksuit thatls pending, and ie appears ko me to be nothing but a little political eyewash to make it easy for some people to do something that they in qood conscience should not do. A little later, on another bill.

Purther discussion. Senator Maitland.

Thank you very much, Mr. President and Members of the Senate. Senator Luft, youfve been around here a long time, and I -- I -- I really can't believe that -- thae some of you on that side of the aisle have -- have fallen for this -- this smoke and mirrors attempt. Everybody knows why this is being done. It's an attempk to buy off and get support from some downstate legislaeors on a sikuation that exists in the City of Chicaqo. It is very, very 15  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 117th Legislative Day November l5, 1990 serious. Without question, it is serious, and We all understand that. But what we are doing here in the Veto Session today falls on *he heels of some of the comments made by a lot of our constituents - both Republican and Democrat - as we Went through the election process. We are doinq something here thatîs mcrally and ethically wrong. First of ally the -- in the beglnning, I think you al1 thought that the money was qoing to be put in for this school year to start with. Well, it does nok. It commits next year and '93 and '94, and never before has one legislative year committed another to an action and thae's What we are doing here. The fact of the matter is# after this a11 blows over, this isn't going to happen. And for those of you from downstate Who are viewing and attempting to make a -- take a position on this issue today, don't forget -- don't forget, it can be changed in yet another year, and will be. The commitment Ray be here today by your colleagues from the city, but I'm not sure it will be here When the time comes to really put the money up front. We've all been through the appropriations process; we know how it works; you're being sold a bill of goods, and you're going to have to explain your action today to your constltuents one day down the road. Mark my word.

Further discussion? Senator Schuneman.

Question of the sponsor, Mr. President.

The sponsor indieates he will yield. SenaEor Schuneman.

Senatorr is there some new revenue stream that would fund this - - this fund that ls being established?

Senator Luft. 16  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLV REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 117th Legislative Day November 15, 1990

I Would suqgest to you, Senatory that in the past that we've always been able to identify revenue streams to satisfy many wants in this Body. And I am hopeful that my next fiscal year, we Will be able to identify the fifty million dollars so desperately needed by our school dtstricts.

Senator Schuneman.

Well, is the answer the no?

Senator Luft.

The answer is not no. The answer is that We are hopeful that within the billions of dollars that are generated as revenues to the State of Illinois that we will be able to findy locate and appropriate the fifty million dollars so desperately needed by the downskate schools.

Senator Schuneman.

Well, thank you, Mr. President. to my colleagues on khe other side of the aisle, I'm really surprised that youdre falling for this. This -- this is nothing but -- buk a shell game. To make a promise noW that has no revenue stream, no hope of a revenue stream to fund it. It's -- it's an amazlng aktempt to try to -- to bamboozle dounstate Illinoise and and I1m sorry that you 're presentinq it at this time. I -- itfs surely nothing I can support.

Purther discussion? SenaEor Keats.

17  STATE 0F ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLV REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 117th Legislative Day November 15, 1990 Needless to say, Wefre a11 risinq in opposition to this particular silliness. Leaving aside the fact that a legislature in November of 1990 eannot commit a legislature that's sitting in 1992. Leaving a1l that aside, I'd just say to your downstate colleagues, ''Gan9 if you ever Wanted to look a little silly, I mean, hoW many times do you have to be fooledo'' How many eimes do you really have to think When -- when it's alleged they#re going to give you something and you don't get it? How many times? Senator Demuzio, remember something about that list of water projects that you put together that wasn't really a1l that bad an idea. Where did that 9o? Where are al1 these different promises that have been made? If you really trust -- if the Speaker of the House: when he will be looking at a Chicago school system in serious trouble, that he's goinq to take money from his pocket to give it to yours, I have a bridge in Brooklyn that I would like to talk to you about. And I want to tell you if you believe that, you're going to buy this bridge, too.

Further discussion? Senator Demuzio.

Well, let me just say that we just went through a very expensive qubernatorial contest, in Which both worthy candidates had indicated that there was waste in State Covernment. As a matter a fact: as I recally correctly, our candidate indicated thak there was an excess of some three hundred million dollars. Your candidate, to the best of my recollection, indicated that khere was some one hundred million dollars in additional reductions that should be made. And, obviously, they both Were of the same priority of making education number one in Illinols. What this does - it says that ve put an additional -- it sends -- it sends a message saying quidance -- that in 1992 there will be an additional fifty million dollars appropriated for each of those 18  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 117th Legislaeive Day November 15, 1990 992, t93 and '94, that will go into the Common School Fundy excluding one -- one school system in Illinoisw because we are afforded them the opportunity to do something that they wish to do. But at the same time, I think it says, ''Ves'' we are addressing boeh that system and we are addressing the downstate systems; that we are sending a message saying we want education to be the number one priority. If we are goinq to be spending any of this new found wasted revenue that can be found by the Governor-elect, we want to say that fifty-million of it# at least for the next tbree years: for sure ouqht to go into the school system in Illinois. And that's -- thatês where the money Will come from. Thank you.

Further discussion? Senator Fawell.

Thank you very much. To my colleagues Who sit on the Appropriation Committee with me khat sit on the other side of the aisle and who have charge of the Appropriakion Committee, if indeed there has been all this waste over the last couple years, where have you guys been?

Further discussion? Senator Luft, eo close. SENATOR LUFT) Thank you, Mr. President. To my colleagues who suggest that have been here a lonq time, maybe too long, kould suggest that all commitments here. and most al1 commitments here are ephemeral in nature, and this commitment is one that I am confident that a1l of us will be supportin: next June during the appropriation process. I think that We can go home and morally and ethically justify what we are doing for the children of this State of Illinols and would ask that you support the adoption of Conference Committee Report No. 2 to House Bill 2030. 19  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLX REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 117th Leqislative Day November 15, 1990

Question is, shall the Senate adopt the Conference Committee Report on House Bill 2030. Those in favor will vote Aye. Opposed, vote Nay. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who Wish? Have al1 voted who wish? Take the record. On that question, there are 31 Ayes, 20 Nays, 7 votlng Present. The Senate does adopt the Conference Committee Report on House Bi1l 2030, and the billz having received the required constitutional majority, is deelared passed. If I can turn your attention, Ladies and Gentlemen, to Page 16 on the Calendar. Madam Secretary, on the Order of Motions in Writing to Accept Speeific Recommendations for Change, therefs been a motion filed With respect to Senate Bill 1591: read the motion, please. SECRETARV HAWKERI I move to accept the Specific Reconmendations of the Governor as to Senate Bill 1591 in manner and form as follows: Amendment to Senate B1ll 1591 in Acceptance of Governorls Recommendations Offered by Senator Berman.

Senator Berman.

Thank you, Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. Senate Bill 1591 was amendatorily vetoed by the Governor. The Governor took out two provisions in the bill. The first provision that he removed Was a -- was a provision that provided the same guarantee by the State of the sanctity or stability of the Chicago Teachers ' Pension Fund, as we have afforded to every other Pension Fund -- State Pension Pund. The second change was to remove what we call the early-out provision. At the present time a teacherr either in Chicago or downstate, who wishes ko reeire before the age of sixty must pay a penalty. Senate Bil1 1591, as we passed 20  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 117th Legislative Day November l5e 1990 kt in the spring, provided that a teacher could retire at age fifky-five without incurring that penalty. That provision was also removed by the Governor's Amendatory Veto. This motion is to accept the -- the Governor's changes. The bill, with the removals that I have outlined, provides authority for Chicago to utilize two of its own tax funds in a different way than in the past. One is the - what we call the excess money levied by the School Finance Authority to pay off its bonds. Every year its bonds, which started back in 1980, there is retirement of those bonds. There is now approximately fifteen million dollars of levy to the School Finance Authoriky that has been going into the Building Fund. This would be diverted, instead of to khe Building Fund, to the Educational Pund. That's fifteen million dollars. The second diversion is of fifty million dollars, which presently is raised by Chicago property tax payments, and is put intoz as additional contribution, ko the Chicago Teaehers' Pension Pund. That fifteen -- fifky million dollars under this bill would be, instead of going into the Chicago Teachersl Pension Fund, would go to the Education Fund. The purpose of this sixty-fkve mkllkon sixty-six million dollars of reallocated funds is to fully fund the three-year contract that has been entered into between the Chicago Board of Education and the unions servlcing the Chicago Public School System -- lends a great degree of stability and -- which is necessary to carry out the great progress of school reform that we are experiencing in Chicago. I solieit your Aye voke on acceptin: the Governor's acEion on Senate Bill 1591.

Al1 right. Senator Berman has moved to accept the Governorîs recommendakions for change. Discussion? Senakor Maitland.

Thank you very muchz Mr. President, Members of the Senate. First of all, I guess: a question of the -- of the Chair. The 21  STATE 0F ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 117th Legislative Day November 15# 1990 bill does have an immediate effective date. It shows that I'm wondering how many votes it will take to -- to pass Senate Bill 1591.

Al1 riqht. In the opinion of the Chair, it will take a constitutional majorlty of those of us elected or 30 votes to adopt the Motion to Aceept the Governor's Specific Recommendations for Change. This ruling is based on the Chairls interpretation of the Constitution, and is in conformity with the longstanding and heretofore unchallenged practice and custom and rulinq of this Senate. Senator Maitland. SENATOR MAITLANDZ That Was -- that was -- I understand your ruling -- I don't understand your rulingz but I'm not surprised that you were so articulate in telling us what your position Would be. Mr. President, it seems to me...

I've done a 1ot of studying over the past couple...

... that -- that that -- right. I understand that. The bill does have an immediate effective date and it shows that any bill passed after -- after June 30th does require an exkraordinary majority. That was -- was my -- my thought, and you disagree with that. Well, Mr. President, I -- obviously we donlt agreee and I think the rulin: is is Wrong. Senator Berman, once again, we stand stronqly in opposltion to Senate Blll 1591. And I gues: the same discussion we had on the previous bill could be held right now. I don't know, and you well -- know as well as as the rest of us the pension systems in the State are in bad condition, and the -- and the Chicago system has enjoyed a slightly better position over the years. and it's that way because the contributions have, in fact, been -- been made. I have received and many of the 22  STATE 0F ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLX REGDLAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 117th Legkslatkve Day November l5, 1990 Members of this Body, on both sides of the aisle, have received lekters and phone calls of coneern from annuitants and members of the system with respect to what we are doing here. The revenue generated -- the property tax system in the City of Chicago to pay for pensions is there for a reason. And I would suggest to you, and all of you who are climbing on board attemptin: to support this, may one day find this issue in court. The ruling, in my judgmentz would be against what We are doing here. And ultimately, We'11 pay this money back, and I think that's a real possibility given the discussion that Ilve had, Senator Berman: with some of the same people that I'm sure youdve talked with. But the greater issue, as we said last spring in the closing hours of the Session: dropped in the laps of those of us on both sides of the aisle: was yet, once again, another band-aid approach to fund a school system that's having a very difficult time: and yes those needs need to be addressed. This is not the way to do it. This is a terrible thing. It's bad public policy, and we are sending this system, into the future, right down the tube. We don't want to do that. Letls kill this bill: and fund this system in the way it ought to be funded. And finally, I'm really troubled, Senator Berman, I go back, as you do to 1980 with the Chicago School System bailout. When a system was in terrible shape: because they had rolled dollars from one fund to another fund, and all of a sudden we found out that you were eight hundred over eight hundred million dollars in the red, and we put Eogekher legislakion - Republican and Demoerat - Chicago and downstate - to address the needs of the Chicago School System . We put in place a School Finance Authority that said schools simply Will not open until they can certify a balanced budget. We have manipulated this system again With a teacher contract, and we a1l understand thate and theylre going eo file an amended budget if this bill passes and the money is goinq to be there. And I 23  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 117th LegislaEive Day November 15, 1990 understand that, but that is a smokeln mirrors game, and I'm anxious to see. hope the media paints this picture as truly is. We ought to be ashamed of ourselves. Absolutely ashamed of ourselves with What We are doing in this Veto Session. I urge strong opposition.

Further discussion? Senator Geo-Karis.

Mr. President, will the sponsor yield for a question?

Sponsor indicates he will yielde Senator Geo-Karis.

Under this bill, is fifty-one million dollars coming out of the -- the Pension Levy Fund for three years each year?

Senator Berman.

ïes. PRESIDENT ROCFJ Senator Geo-Karis.

And under this bill, is fifteen million dollars coming out of khe Building Levy Fund for each year eternally?

Senator Berman.

Eternally? It's fifteen, l-5 is the number. Yes.

And you mentioned earlier about bonds, is that correct? Is that -- you mentioned -- if I recall correctly, those bonds are those General Obligation Bonds?

24  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86*b GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 117th Legislative Day November 15, 1990 Senator Berman.

The bonds that referred to are the -- Were the bonds that were issued back in 1980 by the School Finance Authority to restructure the financial condition of Chicago . Those are obligations of the -- of the Chieago Board of Education. They have been paid off by a levy issued - it was money that was diverted from our Education Fund in 1980 - fifty cents given to the School Finance Authority to pay off the bonds that were issued.

Senator Geo-Karis.

Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate, We're supposed to be here to protect pension funds, not to use them to have them pay -- use them for operational costs. I think it's very wrong to take pension funds - fifty-one million dollars a year for three years, the length of the school contract with the Chicago Teachers' Association. That's a hundred and fifty-three million dollars. When are we going to protect the people's funds of pensions. This is no way to do it. And then to take the money out of the Building Fund every year eternally, because there's no limit on it fifteen million dollars a year. Now that's certainly the wrong, wrong, wrong approach. I -- I submit that We are here to protect people 's funds, not to dissipate them for operational costs. khe school dis*rlek itsêlf doesnlt Btart minding its business and cuetinq out the unecessary waste that keeps qoing on and on. I certainly speak against this bill, and I urge my colleagues to vote against 1t, because we certainly are going the wrong way. And, Mr. President, much as I love you, disagree with your interpretation. This should have 36 votes.

25  STATE 0F ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLX REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 117th Legislakive Day November l5, 1990 Further discussion? Senator Schaffer.

Well, wil1 echo the comments of my two earlier colleagues on the implicattons of this particular proposal. Frankly, this is probably the scariest roll call I've seen here in many years. This is a awful precedent. I don't think anyone here can look at our past history and wonder, without some serious doubt in their mind, whether this will end at three years. Clearly things arenlt getting better. donlt see a great ground swell for kax increases. Three years form noW we'll be back here and theyfll be saying, 'Wel1 *e'll just keep diverting these funds#''and one day that house of cards will come tumbling down, and that Pension Pund. And I don't khink the City of Chieago is going to sayz ''Well, okay, it's our problem. We'1l take care of it ourselves.'' I khink they're going to say, ''You people at the State level diverted these funds. was your decision to sack this Pension Fund, Eo raid this Pension Fund, to bankrupt this Pension Fund, therefore, youy at the State level, shall pay to bail it out and put it back together.'' If we raid this Pension Fund - for those of us who don't happen to represent the City of Chicago, but represent downstate, is it not reasonable for our friends from Chicago to say to us. ''If you have problems, follow our lead, make the kind of quote, ''sacrifice,'' wedre making here today. Raid your pension funds to solve this problem, or that problem. And how long can we do thae with the level of funding we have riqhk now, before the whole house of cards comes doWn on us, and ue are down here in a special session by some luckless dog that got elected Governor, to double the Stake income eax to bail out -- let me tell you, I'm not sure who really won a week ago Tuesday. When I see this kind of activities: you've got to wonder who Ehe real winner was. We cannot do thls. This Will come back to haunt us. Heaven forbid that a court challenge would be found 26 I I , j i i 86S tT hAT GENO EF RAL ILA LI SN SO EM IB SLX REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT i 117th Leqislative Day November l5, 1990 that we have the power to do this. I realize that the Chicago Teachers' Union's got a lot more clout than a bunch of seventy- and ei:hty-year-old retired teaehers living on very modest pensions, but that does not justify what youdre doing here today. PRESIDENT ROCE: Further discussion? Senator Welch. SENATOR WELCH: Question of the sponsory Mr. President. PRESIDENT ROCK: Sponsor indicates he will yield, Senator Welch. SENATOR WELCH: Senator Berman, I just Went through an election where I was criticized for voting for this bill last June, and Ehe criticism was that this bill took eiqhty-five million dollars a year out of the Common School Fund for downstate schools and sent it to Chicago. NoW just how much money is this bill taking out of the Common Sehool Fund, as my friends on the other side of the aisle allege, and sending to Chicago? PRESIDENT ROCK: Senator Berman. SENATOR BERMAN: Not one penny. PRESIDENT ROCK: Senator Welch. SENATOR WELCH: Well, youdre not telling me that Ehey made this up, are you? You're not -- they -- they just -- they just voted for this resolution about negative campaigninq, Senator Berman. They wouldn't do that. 0f course, they didn't bother to put my opponents name on the literature when they did it, by the way, and they -- they did have radio ads supplementin: this direct mail piece, but certainly after voting for that resolution, they 27  STATE OP ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLX REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 117th Legislatlve Day November l5, 1990 wouldn't lie to us, would they, Senator Berman?

Purther discussion? Senator Keats.

Senator Welch, if you think some of the khings they sent out on your were bad - I never saW them: you should see what your side sends out, sonny. Your stuff was nothinq, but -- President Roek, I commend you. I really have got to commend for your unique ruling. ïour imagination has no bounds, and I qive you credit for coming up with still another idea. Por a moment the kidding for a serious side, this is what the Chieago School System did prior to 1979. For those of us whodve been here over a dazen years, and remember Joe Hannony who somebow avoided indictment over khe Chicaqo schools, went to Mecormick Place, avoided indicement there, and then We got him at the international trade fund. He's now bankrupted three things. Comingling funds is exactly what happened. Why was the Chicago School System broke, 'cause they comingled their funds, and couldnlt keep track of each buklding fund. What's our solution to their latest problem? Cominglinq funds. You know, each time the Chicago School System has a problem, they load a gun and shoot themselves in the foot, then they reload and shoot themselves in the same foot all over again. That's exactly what this bill does. I cannot even comprehend someone saying, ''Let's solve our problem by doing exactly what we did that caused the last bankruptcy,'' and if some of our downstate brethren think that that last bankruptcy Was paid off simply by the eity of chicagoe you are not smoking Marlboros. It is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. Secondly, in the hispanic areas of the City, the schools in the hispanic areas of the City are grossly overcrokded. Taking money from the Building Fund guarantees continued gross overcrowding in those growth areas in the City. The Chicago Teachers' Pension Fund was 28 I ) STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT ' ll7kh Legislative Day November 15y 1990 not tn that bad of shape till last year. It has lost fifteen percent of its total assets in one year. Let me put that in perspective again - fifteen-percent drop in one year, and now wedre goinq to rob them some more. Boy, ehat's really logical. Fifty-one million a year, minimum three years, another hundred and fifty-three million taken out, you 're looking at a pension fund that will be bankrupt. And anyone *ho thinks that youdre not going to be bailing that Pension Fund out is simply silly . And khe Chicaqo Teaehers' Dnion should be considered. ïou don't have many members in the Chicago Teachers' Union who are much past their late forkies who are in favor of this bill. I have been in meetings in the City of Chicago, and on the south side, and if you think those older teachers in Chicago are in favor of this bill, I just wish Jackie Vaughn had to face an election among her teachers over this b&ll. They would send her an interesting message. There aren't any teachers past the late forties Who would support his legislation. Concluding to say, this is ethically unforgivable. We are robbing pensions funds. We are cominglinq funds so that we can lie to the people again, the same way the Chicago School System lied and got theaselves in the last problem. Maybe we ought to come back With a solution. Maybe the Chicaqo School System should have referendums on kheir levies the way all the other school districts do, and let the people of Chicago show us how much tbey appreciate what their sehool system has done by being asked to vote on it the way every other school system does. Maybe that's how we should settle this issue. PRESIDENT ROCK; Further discussion? Ladies and Gentlemen, WICS-TV also has requested permisston to shoot some tape. Without objection, leave is granted. Further discussion? Senator Schuneman. SENATOR SCHUNEMAN: Thank you, Mr. President. I have to make a couple of points, 29 i I !  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 117th Legislative Day November 15, 1990 as it applies to the pensions. Some of the -- my downstate eolleagues didn't believe - when we were voting on this bill last June - didn 't believe us when We said that the bill would require the State of Illinois to assume the liability of the Chicaqo Pension System. I dontt think -- I don't think all of you really believe that. We found out later that that was precisely what khe bill did: and the Governor - thanks eo him - vetoed that out of there. Now it seems to me Ehat what wefre doing by this bill is layin: the groundwork for that provision eo pass sometime in the future. I don't know when it's golng to happen, but you are aiding and abetking, those of you who are downstate. And Senator Welch, your remarks were cute, but you know and I know that this bill will lead to the possible default of the Chicago Pension System , which will lead to another bill: on whtch you may vote to have the State assume the responsibility for the Chicago pensicns. I don't khink those of us from downstate ought to do that, and We ought to definitely not support this bill.

Further discussion? Senator Topinka. Senator Topinka.

Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. I don't represent Chicaqoy but I do have the next district over, and I do have a number of annuitants from the Chtcago public schools who are livin: in my district, and they have been calling and they have been calling quite a bit, and they are scared. Plain and simple, because I donlk Ehink ehis is very complicated, this bill? indeed, steals from my old folks. They object, and I object.

Further discussion? Senator Marovitz.

Thank you very much, Mr. President. Just briefly, with Senator Keats, We heard from Senator Welch what some of the 30  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 117th Legislative Day November l5, 1990 dastardly things that people were sayingy and I think that's terrible, and I think that probably, Senator Keatsy What they've been saying about you is wronq too, and we ought hear what those things are so that we can get to the bottom line. But regarding this, I probably have as many annuitants in my district who are concerned about this legislation as anybodyz and I've heard from them as many of my colleagues from Chicago have. And this certaànly is not a good precedent, and we wish there were other ways we could do but there aren't. We a11 know ehis is the -- this is it. It's this or nothing. It's this or a school strike. We've :ot a three-year contract for the first time, but think that despite my ''Yes'' vote on this important piece of legislation, I think it's important that we in the legislature send a message back to those who negotiate those conkracks and the Chicaqo Board of Education and their officials that this will be, and should be: a one-time deal. A one-time hit on khe Pension Fund, and that after this three-year contract ks up, don't look for the Pension Fund, or from help from the legislature once again, because I don't like this precedent and I think we ought to send that message. And for khose people who negotiate the contract, they oughe to talk to the legislative leaders before ehey obligate those legislative leaders to things Which We may not be in favor of in the first place.

Further discussion? Senator del Valle. SENATOR dEL VALLEI Thank you' Mr. President. Question for the sponsor.

Sponsor indicates he will yield, Senator del Valle. SENATOR dEL VALLE: Senator Berman, what percentage of the Building Fund is going to be diverted into the Education Fund? 31  STATE OP ILLINOIS 86*h CENERAL ASSEMBLX REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 117th Legislative Day November l5, 1990

Senator Berman.

Nine percent.

Senator del Valle. SENATOR dEL VALLE: Nine percent. Thank you. And I my understanding is that nine percent makes up fifteen million dollars. I will be voting 'tYes'' on khis bill, but I have to say that I'm not happy about my vote. I will be voting ''ïesr'' because I think the most important thing is to finalize this contract, and to make sure that teaehers are given a salary increase, and to make sure that we avoid a strike. But last week I visited three schools in my subdistrict with the Superintendent Superintendent Kimbrough. And it breaks my heart to go into schools with mobile units - we still have multiple mobile units in a number of sehools in my district where classes cannot be conducted because rats die in the walls of those mobile unles, and the kids cannot stand the odor, and the teachers cannot teach in those mobile units. Superintendent Kimbrough saw thisz and I wank a clear message to go to the Board of Education, the neW board and the Superintendent that we must deal with the problem of overcrowding in *he communities, and we must deal With the problem of deteriorating school buildings in our community. want this ko be a one-shot dealy and I want to make sure that we here in the Illinois General Assembly, the next time We have eo deal with a surcharge think about those kids that have to deal with those odors from rats that die in the walls of those mobile units, and are trying to learn under conditions that very few people, I think, could learn under. Thank you. END OF TAPE 32  STATE 0F ILLINOIS 86th CENERAL ASSEMBLY FEGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 117th Legislative Day November 15y 1990 TAPE 2

Further discussion? Senator DfAtco.

.g. tmachine cutoffl...ruling, and whether or not ie requires thirty-six votes. Someone else is concerned about the pensloneers - and they should be - becauseow.lmachine cutoffl...to get money inko the Chieago operation fund to fund the contract with the Chicago teachers. There's no question. We a11 agree that this is nok the best Way to do this. But how did We get here, Jack? You shake your head. How did we get here in the first place? How dàd We get to khe point where we've got to take money out of Chicago Teachers Pension Pund in order to fund the Chicago school system? We got here because the State has never lived up to its obligation to fund schools according to the obligation that -- that the Constitution says it should fund schools. %ou know that, and know that. Thirty-six pereent funding is not adequate. We a1l know that. So Who's kidding who about this? The fact of the matter is youv the State of Illinoisy and every Senator in this room, has put Chicago in the precarious position it is in today. And you make us look like the bad guys, because We have to fund the system in order to educate our children so that teachers donlt go on strike. Who cares about the kids? Not one of you menkioned the kids. Not one of you talked about the kids that are going to be affected if they don't ge* this money in Chicago . I know: we 're the bad guys. But it's not a question of good and bad. It's a question of what has to be done. And I'm sorry to say. this is *he only way that you put us in a position that we have to do this. 33  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSRMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 117th Legislative Day November l5> 1990

Further discussion? Senator Newbouse.

Thank you, Mr. President. I adopt: by reference, the remarks of my colleague, Senator D 'Arco. This has got to be one of the nuttiest votes I've cast since the twenty years I've been down here. I will vote Aye on it, 'cause I see no other solutton at the moment. But it really makes this Body look absolukely ridiculous. And I apologize to the general public for it.

Further discussion? Senator Weaver?

Thank you, Mr. President. Question of the sponsor.

Sponsor indicates he Will yield, Senator Weaver.

Senator Berman, you serve on Appropriations, and I presume that you'll be in the - you and your colleagues will be in the position next May or June to support suffickent appropriations to provide downstate teachers Wikh three years of a seven pereent increase. Is thae correct?

Senator Berman.

Kre we talking about the pension funding?

Senator Weaver.

No. Iîm talkinq about sufficient State dollars appropriated to the distributive formula to provide every downstate teacher With a seven percent àncrease for the next three years.

34  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 117th Leqislative Day November 15, 1990 Senator Berman.

Can't I can't make that commitment. I don't know What the revenue is going to be. And, on behalf of the Appropriations Committee, I don't think anyone can.

Senator Weaver.

Xou're making that commltment to the Chicago schoolteachers. Why should we downstaters suffer?

Senator Berman.

That's where your reasoning is a little confused, Senator. And lee me point this out. We -- I have -- we are saying, by the voke of Aye on this bill, that Chicago negotiated its contract for ies teachers and is using its resources to pay its contrace. Youdre asking for my commitment reqarding every other school district regarding State money. That's not this bill. And ehat's where youlre confused.

Senator Weaver.

We could argue about that -- whose money -- it's public money wetre talking about. Ik's taxpayersl money wedre talking about. But it seems to me that they seen a recessionary period taking money from pension funds that could be invested. And we've qotten used to living off of income from investments to pay pensions. Just this week We had a rather updated report of the last five years' actlvities of a11 public pension funds. And it's a rather bleak report. And here we are digging ourself deeper and deeper. And there's going to come a day that We're goin: to have to face 35  STATE OF ILLINQIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSPRIPT 117th Legislative Day November l5, 1990 fundlnq of all state-supported pension funds. And this is only going to magnify your problems in Chicago, as well as ours.

Further discussion? Senator Netsch.

Thank you, Mr. President. The lmportance of three years of stability for the success of Chicago School Reform has been well-documented. I don't need to add to that. The fact that this' is very bad fiscal policy has been well-stated. don't need to add to that. I think one point can be added, however: and thae is tbat a three-year diversion of this much money fron the pension system of the Chicago teachers, which is one of the better-funded pension systems, is nothinq compared to what we do to our five State pension systems every single year, year after yeary With the full concurrence of khe Governor and the reluctant concurrence of those of us in the General Assembly. The Chicaqo Teachers' Pension System Wi11 survive this. It shouldn't have to take this hit, but it will survive. Ours We had better look to a lot more seriously, because they are in much qreater jeopardy riqht now.

Purther discussion? Senator Xustra.

Thank you, Mr. President, Members of the Senate. I thought maybe Senator Schaffer would like to hear what a luckless dog barks like. I certainly would have to concur wieh the remarks made by my distinguished colleagues on this side of the aislez and also agree with the remarks made by Senator de1 Valle and Eenator NeWhouse. Senator del Valle's comments were especially on target, because think they do address the issue of what happens when you take money out of a building fund, khen you have schools ln serious disrepair, and move it someplace else. But thereds another issue which I'd like to raise wieh all of youg especially 36  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLX REGDLAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 117th Leqislative Day November l5# 1990 those of you who represent children in the City of Chicago. And yes, I want to talk about children, Senator D'Arco, because I think they are the main reason we're a1l down here trying to find a solukion to this problem. A few weeks ago Senator Berman chaired a committee hearing in the State of Illinois Building. Some of you on that side of the aisle - I see Senator Jones over there, and I know Senator Collins was -- was sitting next to me we listened to some testimony. In fact, it took most of the day. In fact, the testimony took so long that We had to postpone the hearing, and aqain this Tuesday, at noon I believe, Senator Berman, if I'm not correct, the testimony Will continue. And the tesEimony was from the parents and the taxpayers who are serving on local school councils across the City of Chicago. I have a parttal list of their problems, but I Would sum it up very simply by saying that they were distressed that the central office of the Board of Higher Education has not lived up to the commitments they were supposed to live up to by Chicago School Reform. And I think many of you, had you been sitting there like Senator Maitland and I Were, would have been disappoineed to hear some of the stories. Unfortunately, I guess, they're stories that we in Illinois State Government hear every noW and then ourselvesp and -- and, needless to say, we're none too proud of. One particular piece of testtmony said that schools - local school councils - were having a fight with the central board to get ghost payrollers off of their payrolls. In other words, local school councils have people ln thetr budget who they've never seen, who Work out of Pershing Road, who work downtown. Ghost payrollers take up spots that people could be using in local school councils to help children. We heard a number of complaints, and you've all heard them too, raised by Board employees who clalm that there's a lot of hindering and sabotaging of reform efforts by the central office. I meany we had substantiation that day. Senator Berman asked for 37  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLX REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 117th Legislative Day November l5r 1990 documents to be presented to us. Over and over again, ke heard of the failures. I donlt Want to stand up here and declare Chicago School Reform a failure. believe in Chicago School Reform. And I think it can work. And I think it is working in some local school -- councàls. But there is a long way to go. And What troubles me about what We do today is that we lock ourselves in: especially those of you Who are trying to represent the children of the Ciey of 'Chicaqo. You are locking yourself in to a three-year permanent agreement when, Senator Berman, I haven't heard you said one word yet about those hearings or about how We're going to accommodate those parents. And khy now, at this moment? Why not in two weeks, or why not in January can We not reach some agreement which funds the City of Chicago schools, but at the same time addresses the needs of the parents of those children Who are simply not being dealt with fairly and effectively by the central office of the Chicago Board of Education? Thak's what really disturbs me about this package. I don't like the fact that we are intruding on other funds and that we are violating some practices of good, sound government accounting. That's bad enough. But it looks like you have the votes to do What you want to do. What's most disturbing aboue what you 're going to do is that youlre going to do it Without getting a Ehing for ïoudre goin: to do it with not extractin: one of those demands from parents across the City of Chicago who are simply saying, ''Give us control of those local school councils. Thakês whak you promised usol' And noW the Chicago Board of Education is keeping it from happeninq. Gosh: I just thought you were all a -- a lot tougher than thak. And I Wish that somewhere along the line you could stop and think about that result, because three years is a lon: time to hold more hearings and ko tell more parents to Wait until next year or the year after. I really do hope that many of you Will reconsider your 38  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 117th Legislative Day November l5, 1990 vote. Let's go baek to the bargaining table - I mean the State's bargaining table and come up With a solution that helps the children of the City of Chicago and their parents. This does not do thaty Ladies and Gentlemen.

Further diseussion? Senator Keats.

Sometimes you have to correct things that have been said that are untrue. Senator D'Arcoy did mention kids. And many of us mentioned kids. ïou're the ones forgetting the kids. You're the majority party who runs the city that runs the worst school system in America. Racism walking step by step down the streets of that city. A school system that guarantees failure among kidsy 'cause Won't educate them. And this argument about the State not paying fifty percent. ïou don't even understand why that is. We pay over fifty pereent of the Chicaqo bills - well over fifty percent. The reason the State does not pay fifty percent statewide is because districts such as my district, my area, Senator Kustra's area, Dupage - we pay ninety percent of our bills through our property taxes, which goofs up the way its counted. That's the reason ke are Willing to pay for those schools. And Senator D'Arco, do you know why our area is Well-to-do? 'Cause We 're Well-educated. You guarantee -- you guarantee the failure of the children in your neighborhood, lcause you guarantee they Won 't have the skills to compete in the marketplace. Remember, you said you guys did Ehis. ïoudre the najority party. For sixteen years you've chaired the Appropriations Committee. For sixteen years youeve controlled the budgee. And for sixteen years you said, ''The heck with Chicago schools. The heck with pension funds. All I'm worried about is my political power base: and my pinstripe patronage and my control of what's goinq on in Chicago.'' Thatls great. Don't point over here. Point at the majority 39  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENEDAT.ASSEMBLV REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 117th Legislative Day November l5# 1990 party, who for sàxteen years has run thks State. And remember, the Chicago sehool system has the money to operate right nov . You're all betnq defrauded by belnq told this has to be done now. They have more than enough money to operate into next year's legislative Session. No problem whatsoever. And we could deal with this in realiey. If the parents of the City of Chicago had a referendum vote on this: this thln: wouldn't get ten percent. And Senator Newhouse, I got to commend you as an honest man. Thae was an excellene comment. Thank you.

Further diseusslon? Senator Jacobs/

Thank you, Mr. President. Just real quick. I quess I'm qetting confused. We have Republicans callàng the incoming Governor a luckless dog. We have everyone here trying to put all the blame onto us over here. Let me read something to you: ''Senate Bill 1591 does three things eo help Chicago Public Schools. Ik allows the Chicago 'Board of Edueation Eo use fifteen million dollars of local tax authority for educational purposes which are no longer needed by khe Chieago School Pinanee Authority to retired debt. This part also allows the Board to use approximakely fifty-one million dollars of local tax authority eo pay employee rather than employer contribution to the Chicago Teachers Retirement System. 'I approve of these ehanges which allow local discretion in the use of local tax monies and support efforts to increase teacher benefits and to open schools in Chicaqo on time.f' Signed, James Thompson, Governor of the State of Illinois. ïour Governor. This is your Governor's bill. He amendatorily vetoed iE, so don't try to put the blame on us.

Furkher discussion? Senator Berman, to close. Senator 40  STATE 0F ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMSLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 117th Legislative Day November 15, 1990 Berman, to close.

All right. Thank you. Pirst of all, a couple of factual correcttons. Senator Keats, approximately forty-five percent of the Chicago budget comes from the State, not over half. Number two, I want to appeal to the media. I've said this yesterdayg and I will say it again today. Do me a favor. Do not mischaracterize khis bill as a Chicago bailout. In 1980 -- in 1980 -- and hope that those of us -- those of you on the other side Who talked about the 1980 revision in the Chicago financial structure, also misused the word ''bailout.'' In 1980, and today in Senate Bill 1591, there is no State bailout. In 1980, we took fifty cents of Chicago's school levy that was twenty-five percent of their education levy - and took their education tax dollars and shifted it to issue their bonds and pay off their bonds with their money. It wasn't a nickel of State money. It was not a bailout then. This is not a bailout today. This is Chicago resources - Chicago tax dollars to fulfill Chicago's obligations to keep its schools open and to lend us a deqree of stability. One of the reasons Chicago School Reform passed was because a strike in 1987 was the ninth school strike in eighteen years. Everyone was fed up With the instability of that system. And nothing that 1 am sayinq condones the old way of doing things. We have a new system. We have a new law. And we have Wonderful - Wonderful accomplishments under Chicago School Reform. This is Chicago using its tax dollars to lend skability Eo i*s school program. I find it interesting that Senator Kustra, the newly elected Lieutenant Governor, urges a No vote - a No vote on this bill that keeps chicago schools open and gives us a promise that we'l1 work something out. You've never Worked out anything in Chkcago. Xou wouldn't if it was up to you. ïou wouldn't have had Chicaqo School Reform. You Wouldn't have had the surcharge that pumped 41  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION $ SENATE TRANSCRIPT i 117th Legislative Day November l5r 1990 money into every school district in the State. You voted No. If you were the Governor, you would have vetoed that bill. Fortunately, Jim Thompson had the commitment and the guts to sign the bill. So tet's talk about facts, not talk about what we ought to do or what we will do. We know what you have done. And it has been consistently not in favor of the stabilityr educational programs, reallocation of power from Pershing Road to ehe parents in the school buildinqs. We're making great advances. The testimony we heard two weeks aqo and the testimony we'll hear next week is like any other hearing. We hear from the people that have eomplaints - righkly so. The Leadership for Quality Education Coalition of Businesspeople in Chicago took a survey. Over eighty percent of the parents of Chicago schoolchildren are enthusiastically, overwhelmingly in support of local school reform tn Chicago. They like what's happening in Chicago. This bill will allow that to continue without a school stoppage, Without a school strike. And it's our money doing it. I urge an Aye vote.

The question is, shall the Senate accep: khe specific recommendations of the Governor as to Senate Bill 1591, in the manner and form just stated by Senator Berman. Those in favor Will vote Aye. Opposed wil1 vote Nay. And the votinq is open. Have all voted who wish? Have a11 voted Who Wish? Have a1l voted who wish? Take the record. On that question, there are 31 Ayes, 27 Nays, None voting Present. The specific recommendations of the Governor as to senate B(11 1591, having received the required najority vote of Senators elected, are declared accepted. Resolutions, Madam Secretary.

w.. tmaehtne cutoffl...Resolution 1471 offered by Senator Lechowicz. And Senaee Resolution 1472 offered by Senator Netsch. 42 !  STATE OF ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLI REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 117th Legislative Day November l5z 1990 They 're both congratulatory.

Consent Calendar. Senator Demuzio, before you get awayy you Want to do the adjournment resolution? Resolutions, Madam Secretary .

Senate Joint Resolution 22l offered by Senator Demuzio. Resolved, by the Senate of the 86th General Assembly of the State of Illinois, the House of Representatives concurring herein, that when the tWo Houses adjourn on Thursday, November l5e 1991 Ksie>, they stand adjourned until Wednesday, November 28z 1991 <sic>, at twelve o'clock noon.

Senator Demuzio.

Thank you, Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. Senate Joint Resolution 221 is - is the adjournmenk resolution. Upon the adjournment today, we will stand adjourned until next I'm sorry - until Wednesday, November 28th, at the hour of eWelve noon. I would move to suspend the rules for the immediate consideration and adoption of Senate Joint Resolution 221.

Senator Demuzio has moved to suspend the rules for the immediate consideration and adoption of Senate Joint Resolution 221, the adjournment resolution. When we conclude our business very shorely here today, We Will return on the ewenty-eighth day of November at the hour of noon. All ln favor of the Moklon ko Suspend, indicate by saying Aye. All opposed. :he Ayes have it. The rules are suspended. Senator Demuaio now moves the adoption of Senate Joint Resolution 221. A11 in favor, indicate by saying Aye. Al1 opposed. The Ayes have The resolution is adopted. Introduction of bills. 43  STATE 0P ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGDLAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 117th Legislative Day November 15, 1990

Senate Bill 2320 offered by Senator del Valle. (Secretary reads title of bill) First Reading of the Bill.

Rules Committee. Ladies and Gentlemen, We have just a few items of paperwork yet remaining. The fact is that we have effectively concluded our business. We will be adopting the Resolutions Consent Calendar. We will be reading in Messages from the House that Will appear on the Calendar of the twenty-eighth . So to all, I Wish you a very happy and healthy Thanksgivingy and we'll see you on the twenty-eighth. The Resolutions Consent Calendar: Mr. Secretary. Have any objections been filed to the Resolutions Consent Calendar?

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. NADRY) No objections filed, Mr. President. PRESIDENT ROCK: All riqht. In that case, Senator Severns will move the adoption of ehe Senate Resolutions Consent Calendar. A1l in favor of adoption, indicate by sayin: Aye. A1l opposed. The Ayes have it. The resolutions listed thereon are declared adopted. We have effectively concluded, Margaret. Thank you. Messages from the House.

A Message from the House by Mr. O'Brienp Clerk. Mr. President am directed to inform the Senate that the House of Representatives has accepted the Governor's specific recommendations for change which are attached to a bill of the followin: title, in the adoption of which I1m instructed to ask the coneurrence of the Senate, to wit: House Bill 493. I am further instructed to deliver to you the objections of 44  STATE 0F ILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 117th Leqislative Day November l5, 1990 the Governor, which are contained in the attached copy of his letter to the House of Representatives. Adopted by the House November l5, 1990. I have like Messages on House Bills 1055, 1268: 2700, 3058, 3136, 3152, 3164, 3261: 3337, 3356, 3562: 3613, 3656, 3755 and 4159. A Message from the House by Mr. O'Brien, Clerk. Mr. President I am directed to inform the Senate that the House of Representatives has passed a bill of the followlnq title, in the Governor's specific recommendations notwithstanding, in the passage of Which I am instructed to ask the concurrence of the Senate, to wit: House Bi11 1220. I am further instructed to deliver to you the objections of the Governor, which are contained in the attached copy of his letter Eo the House of Representatlves. Passed the House, November l5# 1990. I have like Messages on House Bills 3146, 3183, 3406, 3585, 3766 and 3771. A Message form the House by Mr. O'Brien, Clerk. Mr. President - I am directed to inform the Senate that the House of Representatives has restored to the original amount items restored by the Governor - reduced by the Governor Which are attached in a bill of the following title, in which I am instructed to ask the concurrence of the Senate, to wit: House Bill 3341. I am further instructed to deliver to you the objections of the Governor, which are contained in the attached copy of his letter to khe House of Representatives. Passed the House, November l5, 1990. A Message from the House by Mr. O 'Brlen, Clerk. Mr. President - I an directed to inform the Senate 45  STATEOPILLINOIS 86th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGQLAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 117th Leglslative Day November l5y 1990 E that the House of Representatives has passed a bill of the following titlez tbe veto of the Governor notwithstandinqp in the passage of which I'm instructed to ask the concurrence of the Senate, to Wit: House Bill 2924. I am further -- further instructed to deliver to you the objections of the Governor, which are contained in the attached copy of his letter ta the House of Representatives. Passed the House, November l5: 1990, by a three-fifths vote. I have like Messages on 2966, 3655, 3671, 3699, 3940, 3952, 4049 and 4208. A Message from the House by Mr. O'Brienz Clerk. Mr. President - I am directed to inform the Senate that the House of Representatives has passed the item vetoes and reductions which are attached to a bill of the following title, the veto of the Governor notWithstanding: in the passage -- in khe passage of which I am instructed to ask the concurrence of the Senate, to wit: House Bill 3273. I am further instructed to deliver to you the objections of the Governor, which are contained in the attached copy of his letter to the House of Representatives. Passed the House, November l5, 1990, by a three-fifths vote. I have a like Message on House Bill 3462. PRESIDENT ROCK: Any further business to come before the Senate? If not, Senator Geo-Karis moves that the Senate stand adjourned until Wednesday : November twenty-eighth, at the hour of twelve o 'clock noon. Twenty-eighth. Happy Thanksgiving, everybody. 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