Illinois Senate Floor Debate — May 24, 1991

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Consent Calendar. Committee Reports.

Senators Demuzio and D'Arco, Co-chalrmen of the Senate Committee on the Assignment of Billsy reports the -- the assignment of the following bills to committee: Agriculture and Conservation - House Bills 338, 528, 1207, 1260, 1430, 1744; Elementary and Secondary Education - House Bills 455: 478, 601, 605, 770, 1097, 1815 and 20427 Energy and Environment - House Bills 619, 1184, 1448, 1475, 2019, 2022 and 2056) Executive Appointments - House Bill 2: Executive - House Bills 119# 772, 1196, 1644, 1945: 1996 and 2633: Higher Education - Hcuse Bills 1884 and 25587 Insurance Pensions and Licensed Activities - House Bills. 1245, 1364, 1688, 1700, 2139 and 2329: Judiciary I - House Bills 554, 628, 687, 1053, 1446, 1684, 2006, 2208, 2211, 2396 and ' 2453: Judiciary 11 - House Bills 147, 480, 606, 1101, 1340, 2125 and 25217 Labor - House Bill 1797 Local Government - House Bills 472, 592, 796, 811, 942, 1118, 1254, 1333, 2147 and 21487 Publie Hea1th, Welfare and Corrections - House Bills, 677, 678, 734, ! 1160, 1216: 1283 , 1314, 1353, 1408, 1804 r 1852g 1855, 2392, 2458 and 2578 ; Revenue - House Bills 1109 and 1134 ; State Government Orqanization and Administration - House Bills 1843, 2005 and 2512; Transportation - House Bills 5. 121, 341, 685, 7l8, 1228, 1286 and 1960. Assigned on May 24# 1991. !

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZ10) Resolutions .

2  STATE 0F ILLINOIS g7Eh CENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24, 1991 Senate Resolution 1427 Qsic> (427) offered by Senator Demuzio and al1 -- and other Members. Senate Resolution 428 offered by Senator Collins. Senate Resolution 429 offered by Senator Karpiel. Senate Resolution 430 offered by Senator Topinka. Senate Resolutlon 431 offered by Senator Topinka. Senate Joint Resolution 59 offered by Senator Katpiel. And Senate Joint Resolution 60 offered by Senator Topinka. Theylre al1 congratulatory and death resolutions.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Al1 right. With leave of the Body we 'll go to the Order of House Bills lst -- Consent Calendar on these resolutions. With leave of the Body, we'll go to order of House Bills 1st Reading, Madam Secretary.

House Bill offered by Senator Schaffer. (Secretary reads title of bill) House Bill l36 offered by Senators Leverenz and Luft. (Seeretary reads title of bill) House Bill 316 offered by Senator Marovitz. (Seeretary reads title of bill) House Bill 373 offered by Senator Hall. (Seeretary reads title of bill) House Bill 376 offered by Senator Carroll. (Secretary reads tltle of bill) House 378 offered by Eenator Halk. (Seeretary reads title of bill) House Bill 384 offered by Senator Carroll. (Secretary reads title of bill) House Bill 386 offered by Senator Carroll. (Seeretary reads title of bill) House Bill 388 offered by Senator Carroll.  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24, 1991 (Secretary reads title of bill) House Bill 393 offered by President Rock. (Seeretary reads title of b1ll) House Bill 394 offered by President Rock. (Secretary reads title of bill) House Bill 395 offered by President Rock. (Secretary reads title of bill) House Bill 477 offered by Senators Raica and Savickas. (Secretary reads title of bill) House Bill 493 offered by Senator Jones. (Secretary reads title of bill) House Bill 500 offered by Senator Berman. (Secretary reads tltle of bill) House Bill 505 offered by Senators Carroll and Woodyard. (Secretary reads title of bill) House Bi11 533 offered by Senator Berman. (Secretary reads title of bill) House Bill 545 offered by Senator Savickas. (Secretary reads title of bill) House Bill 629 offered by Senator Topinka. (Secretary reads title of bill) House Bill 630 offered by Senator Etberedge. (Secretary reads title of bill) House Bill 631 offered by Senator Etheredge. (Secretary reads title of bill) House Bill 632 offered by Senator Weaver. (Secretary reads title oc bill) House Bill 633 offered by Senator Topinka . (Secretary reads title of bill) House Bill 634 offered by Senator Topinka. (Secretary reads title of bill) House Bill 635 offered by Senator Schaffer. 4  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24, 1991 (Secretary reads title of bill) House Bill 636 offered by Senator Etheredge. (Secretary reads title of bill) House Bill 638 offered by Senator Etheredge. (Secretary reads title of bill) House Bill 639 offered by Senator Etheredge. (Secretary reads title of bill) House Bill 640 offered by Senaeor Watson. (Secretary reads title of bill) House Bill 641 offered by Senator Schaffer. (Secretary reads title of bill) House Bill 642 offered by Senators Maitland and Etheredge. (Secretary reads title of bill) House Bill 643 offered by Senator Etheredge. (Secretary reads title of bill) House Bill 644 offered by Senator Etheredge. (Secretary reads title of bill) House Bill 645 offered by Senator Schaffer. (Secretary reads title of bill) House Bill 646 offered by Senator Weaver. (Secretary reads title of bill) House Bill 647 offered by Senator Maitland. (Seeretary reads title of bill) House Bill 649 offered by Senator Weaver. (Secretary reads title of bill) House Bill 650 offered by Senator Schaffer. (Secretary reads title of bill) House Bill 65l offered by Senator Etheredge. (Secretary reads title of bill) House Bill 652 offered by Senator Etheredge. (Secretary reads title of bill) House Bill 653 offered by Senator Donahue.  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24, 1991 (Secretary reads title of bill) House Bill 654 offered by Senator Fawell. (Secretary reads title of bill) House Bill 655 offered by Senator Fawell. (Secretary reads title of bill) House Bill 656 offered by Senator Etheredge. (Secretary reads title of bill) House Bill 657 offered by Senator Fawell. (Secretary reads title of bill) House Bill 658 offered by Senator Schaffer. (Secretary reads title of bill) House Bill 659 offered by Senator Etheredge. (Secretary reads title of bill) House Bill 660 offered by Senator Donahue. (Secretary reads title of bill) House Bill 7l4 offered by Senator Hawkinson. (Secretary reads title of bill) House Bill 743 offered by Senator Woodyard. (Secretary reads title of bill) House Bill 760 offered by Senator Topinka. (Secretary reads title of bill) House Bill 766 offered by Senator Etheredge. (Secretary reads title of bill) House Bi11 794 offered by Senator Jacobs. (Secretary reads title of bill) House Bill 797 offered by Senator Davidson. (Seeretary reads title of bill) House Bill 808 offered by Senator Demuzio. (Secretary reads title of bill) House Bill 8l6 offered by Senator Jacobs. (Secretary reads title of bill) House Bill 847 offered by Senator Daley.  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGDLAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT I I i 33rd Legislative Day May 24, 1991 (Secretary reads title of bill) House Bill 857 offered by Senator Demuzio . (Secretary reads title of bi11) House Bi11 882 offered by Senator Hall . (Secretary reads tit1e of bi11) House Bill 883 offered by Senator Hall. (Secretary reads title of bill) House Bill 886 offered by Senator Maitland. (Secretary reads ti.tle oE bill) House Bill 887 offered by Senator Berman. (Secretary reads title of bill) House Bill 9l4 offered by Senator Karpiel. (Secretary reads tit1e of bill) House Bill 922 offered by Senator Fawell. (Secretary reads title of bil1) House Bill 1048 offered by Senator Alexander. (Secretary reads title af bill) House Bill 1073 offered by Senator Smith . (Secretary reads title of bill) '- '' - House Bill 1074 offered by Senator Smith . (Secretary reads title of bill) House Bill 1075 offered by Senator Smith. (Secretary reads title of bill) House Bill 1076 offered by Senator Smith. (Secretary reads title of bill) House Bill 1183 offered by Senator Luft . (Secretary reads title of bill) House Bill 1235 offered by Senator Berman. (Secretary reads title of bill) House Bi11 1312 offered by Senator D 'Arco . (Secretary reads tit1e of bill) House Bill 1551 offered by Senator Watson . 7  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24, 1991 (Seeretary reads title of bi11) House Bill 1572 offered by Senator Hall. (Secretary reads tit1e of bi11) House Bill 1620 offered by Senator Jones . (Secretary reads title of bil1) House Bi11 1628 -- pardon me -- 1629 offered by Senator Fawell . (Secretary reads title of bi11) House Bill 1661 offered by Senator Jones . (Secretary reads title of b)11) House Bill 1695 offered by Senator O 'Daaiel . (Secretary reads title of bill) House Bill 1696 offered by Senator Welch. (Secretary reads title of bill) House Bi11 699 <siel (1699) offered by Senator Jones. (Secretary reads title of bi11) House Bill 1805 offered by Senator Berman. (Secretary reads title of billl House Bill 1842 offered-by Senators Severns and Macdonald. (Secretary reads title of bi11) House Bill 1891 offered by Senator del Valle. (Secretary reads title of bi11) House Bill 1892 offered by Senator Berman. (Secretary reads title of bill) House Bill 1910 offered by Senator Kekly . (Seeretary reads title of bill) House Bill 1925 offered by Senator Demuzio . (Seeretary reads title of bill) House Bill 1929 offered by Senator Cullerton. (Secretary reads tit1e of bi11) House Bill 1956 offered by Senator Watson. (Secretary reads title of bill) 8 !  STATE 0F ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24, 1991 1 House Bill 2057 offered by Senator Welch. (Secretary reads title of bill) 1 House Bill 2078 offered by Senator Donahue. l 1 (Secretary reads title of bi1l) House Bill 2106 offered by Senator Berman. (Secretary reads title of bill) House Bi11 2128 offered by Senator Kelly. (Secretary reads title of bill) House Bill 2162 offered by Senator Berman. (Secretary reads title of bill) House 3i1l 2201 offered by Senator Demuzio. (Secretary reads title of bill) House Bill 2254 offered by Senator Cullerton. (Secretary reads title of bill) House Bill 2337 offered by Senator Ralph Dunn. (Secretary reads title of bill) House Bill 2349 offered by Senator Thomas Dunn. (Secretary reads title of bill) House Bill 2451 offered by Senator Alexander. (Secretary reads title of bill) House Bikl 2488 offered by Senator Leverenz. (Secretary reads title of bill) House 3ill 2531 offered by Senators de1 Valle and Thomas Dunn . (Secretary reads title of bi.l1) House 9i11 2553 offered by Senator Kelly. (Secretary reads tit1e of bill) House Bi11 2557 offered by Senator Jacobs . (Secretary reads title of bill) House Bi11 2592 offered by Senator Savickas . (Secretary reads tit1e of bill) House Bill 2605 offered by Senator Fawell. (Seeretary reads ti.tle of bill) 9  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24, 1991 lst Reading of the bills.

Committee on Assignment. A1l right. With leave of the Body we will move to Page 9 on the Calendar. On the Order of Senate Bills 3rd Reading. We Will now proceed to the Order of the consideration of the Agreed Bill List. Mr. Secretary, please read the bills, commencing at Page 9: on the Agreed Bill List. Read the bills for a third time.

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HARRY) Senate Bill 42. (Secretary reads titte of bill) Senate Bill 78. (Secretary reads title of bill) Senate Bill 106. (Secretary reads title of bill) Senate Bill 259. (Secretary reads title of bill) Senate Bill 267. (Secretary reads title of bill) Senate Bill 378. (Secretary reads title of bill) Senate Bill 424. (Secretary reads title of bill) Senate Bill 460. (Secretary reads title of bill) Senate Bill 487. (Secretary reads title of bill) Senate Bill 510. (Secretary reads title of bi11) Senate Bill 551. (Secretary reads title of bill) Senate Bill 556. 10  STATE OP ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24, 1991 (Secretary reads title of bill) Senate Bill 591. (Secretary reads title of bill) Senate Bill 601. (Secretary reads title of bill) Senate Bill 623. (Secretary reads title of bill) Senate Bill 713. (Secretary reads title of bill) Senate Bill 753. (Secretary reads title of bill) Senate Bill 778. (Secretary reads tttle of bill) Senate Bill 832. (Secretary reads title of bill) Senate Bill 873. (Secretary reads title of bill) Senate Bi11 915. (Seeretary reads title of bill) Senate Bill 930. (Secretary reads title of bill) Senate Bill 961. (Secretary reads title of bill) Senate Bi1l 965. (Secretary reads title of bill) Senate Bill 978. lsecretary reads tttle of bil1) Senate Bill 986. (Secretary reads title of bill) Senate Bill 993. (Secretary reads title of bill) Senate Bill 1059.  1 STATE OP ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24, 1991 (Secretary reads title of bill) Senate Bill 1097. (Secretary reads title of bill) Senate Bill 1202. (Secretary reads title of bi11) And Senate Bill 1443. (Secretary reads title of bill) 3rd Reading of the bills.

A1l right. The next roll call will be on the final passage of the bills just read by the Secretary. And the question is, shall this series of bills pass. Those in favor will vote Aye . Opposed : vote Nay and the votkng ks open. Eave ak1 voted %ho wish? Have all voted who Wish? Have a1l voted who wish? Have a11 voted who wlsh? Take the record. On that question, there 56 Kyes: no Nays, none voting Present. The Nays and the Present votes are as reeorded in the office of the Secretary of the Senate, and this series of billsy having received the canstitutional majorityz by.record.vote, is declared passed. And the record vote for each bill passed, shall be entered in the Journal. Senator Maitland, for what purpose do your arise, sir?

Thank you, Mr. President. I ask leave of the Body was standing at my sWitch in conference and had I been on the job, Wouldpve voted Aye on the Agreed Bill List.

The record Will so refleet. A11 right. Ladies and Gentlemen, we 'll begin on Page 7 on the Calendar where We left off last evening. That is on the Order of Senate Bills 3rd Readlng. Commencing with 1233. So that's Senators Butler, Berman, Jacobs, Etheredge, Philip: Philip and Geo-Karis, in that order. We Will go through Senate 3ills on 3rd Reading, probably for the last 12  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24, 1991 I time. A1l right. WeI11 beginonthebottomofPage 7. Madam 1 Secretary, on the Order of Senate Bills 3rd Reading is Senate Bi11 1233 . Read the bill, please .

Senate B(11 1233. (Secretary reads title of bi11) 3rd Reading of the bill.

Senator Butler.

Thank you very much, Mt. President. Ladies and Gentlemen, Senate Bikk 1233 establkshes a qokze-tonktorkû: system at akrports having a half a million operations or more per year. Obviausly there is only one airport in the State of Illinois meeting that category. Welre talking about a noise-monitoring system for O 'Hare Field. This system Would be comprised of noise-monitorinq stations which will be in operation twenty-four hours a day, three hundred and sixty-fkve days a year. These stations will automatically transmùt via-dial-a-phone to a sRall computer and the data will be sorted out. We wll1 have a data base from whieh, a -- a -- an aceurate measurement of the noise at the field can be ascertained. The stations would be put on -- in -- on schools and residential areas, hospitals - other public buildings. The system now in use -- the system noW in use takes a guesstimate based on - - based on the computer models. Takes one day out of the year and projects that one day to establish some sort of a -- a -- a map. Please keep in mind that the data we're using today is 1986 data, which was released in 1988. So we're using three-year-old - - five-year-old data to try to judge what the problem really is. If I were asked Why We need this, I Would have to tell you that there are some very well-intentioned people tryinq to find solution to this problem. But the basic problem is that there is 13 ,% STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24, 1991 i E great suspicion that the numbers we're working with are merely -- I are merely self-serving numbers. And I can tell you that we can , I think, reach some aecommodation. But there are some four hundred thousand people out there who are very suspicious. There is absolutely no trust in the process. And I thlnk this monktorkng system is a very small step that will show we care. Frankly, this Senate has done absolutely nothing for those four hundred thousand people in the last twenty years . This should show that We care. Now keep in mind, no harm is going to come to O 'Hare. Not one operation is qoin: to be stopped. The noise and the pollution is going to continue until we can work out some kind of compromises. No jobs are going to be lost. The airlines will eontinue to profit. All this bill really is is -- is hope for those four hundred thousand people. NoW 1et me be quite frank in saying the eommunities will no longer aceept this status quo . Ninety-three thousand people -- I repeat, ninety-three thousand people voted against any expansion of OîHare, tast November. And I think the message in there is that they need to be shown that somebody cares that there 's -- that they can trust. O 'Hare is forever. It's qoing to be there long after you and I are long gone. But -- and those four hundred thousand people Will never ever -- ever -- ever again have a quality of life most of us enjoy. It's gone. I live in a house that was built in 1924. I moved into it in 1953. And my life will never ever be the same again. It's gone. NoW for those cynics among us who say that perhaps those people should never have lived -- or never have moved into that area, may I remind you that two hundred and twenty thousand people lived at tbat airport the day -- around that airport the day the first jet plane flew. Everyone of those homes are financfally and physically harmed forever. This noise-monitoring system is the first step, 1 think: towards findin: some solution to -- to establishing some trust. Can't we 14  STATE 0P ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24, 1991 i at least give those four hundred thousand people some hope that h somebody in government really cares? Please - Senate Bill 1233 is l I the least we can do. Thank you. I

WAND-TV and WCIA-TV have requested permission to shoot some I videotape. Without objection, leave is granted. Discussion, on I 1 : 1233? Senator Demuzio.

Senator, I just understand that this is going to eost in excess of a million dollars. It's not in the Governor's budget. You indicated in committee that you were attempting to find a funding mechanism for this one-million-dollar in excess cost. Could you just tell us where the money is coming from and what the position of -- of the administration is with respect to your bill?

Senator -- Senator Butler. '

Senator, you are absolutely correct. In the -- as the bill came. .out of .committee, I said that we would attempt to'flhd the ' funding fot this. I have been working with the Department of Aviation. There is some indication there may be some federal funds available for this. What I'd like to do is move this on to see Whether or not -- keep it alive until We can be sure that funds are available.

Further diseussion? Senator Brookins.

Thank you. Will the Senator yield for a question?

Indicates he will yield, Senator Brookins.

Thank you. You say your house was built in 19242 15  STATE 0F ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24# 1991

Senator Butler.

Yes, sir.

And you moved in in 1953?

ïes, sir.

Was the airport there then?

The -- the airport as We know it today was not there. My home was in a quite zone, about 1960 - the middle of the '60s there was another runway added: that no one knew was going to be added. So my home, when I bought was in a quite zone.

Senator Brookins.

Thank you. Let-me .ask. you this. The airport has caused your community to profit greatly. Could you estimate what the economic advantage of O'Hare being in that eommunity has brought to ycur eommunity, tax base and et cetera -- business wise?

Senator Butler.

That's hard to measure, because most of the eommunltles most heavily impacted by the problem out there are primarily residential. Now it's true the home values have gone up, but in most of those communities values have not gone up at the same rate that the more quieter residential areas have gone up.

Senator Brookins. 16  STATE OP ILLINOIS 87th CENERAL ASEEMBLX REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislatkve Day May 24, 1991

Tbank you. To the bill, Mr. President. Here are people that have moved in around an airport that has been there and in existence for some time. The community has profited and profited greatly because of the airport there. And now because they have profited so that tbey feel so comfortable, they have deeided that they no longer -- no konger want to tolerate the noise that the airport has brought to them. Though they will not refuse to take the benefits which airport has taken -- bas brought to them . see no reason for this bill. I would have never moved up under an airport knowing that the noise was goin: to be there in the first place. Soy thereforep I don't see why they're here in Springfield now saying, ''hey we don't want these benefits. We don't want khatw'' Let's take the airport and move it to my ccmmunity, which understand one is coming -- going to be, and 1et us profit from Let us have the jobs and the economic advantages and the low tax rates and et cetera that they airport has brought to your eommuniey. see no reason why you should be unhappy knowing 1953, when you moved into your home, that airport was there , that the akrport was going to profit and it was going to be noisy. would also suggest to you that here in the near future with the new technolosy that is being found and comkng aboard, you will be in a quieter zone. So if you will just hold out a little while, until we develop the neW technology We Will have it quiet in your area. Thank you very kindly. PRESIDENT ROCKI Purther dkscusskon? Senator Fawell.

Thank you very much. Mr. President and Members of the Assembly. My distriet also is impacted very much by -- by O 'Hare Airport. When that airport originally was put there, was ealled O1d Orchard, and anö frankly some of us, including 17  STATE OF TLLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24z 1991 myselfv are old enough to remember when it Was called O1d Orehard . It was small airport. It bad little planes. It was only during World War 11 when eventually beeame a major airport because the City of Chicago bought it. City of Chicago put the runways into the County of Dupage. They didn'e direct the airport and the airlines over Chicago. They directed it over the suburbs. Now theylre talking about putting another runway over the suburbs. Al1 this bill does is says, give us at least some information on how noisy is. Gon't think that that's an unreasonable request. We're not saying the noise is going to qo away, becaase we are well aware of the fact that it's not goin: to go away. :ut it seems to me tbatds not an unreasonable request. isn't going to cost anything unless he can find the money to do it, and I ask that that the Body seriously consider voting Xes. And I'd like to have a roll call vote on beeause frankly some of the Democrats on the other slde of the aisle have told me that they are State Senators and are concerned about these kinds of problems.

Further discussion? Senator Dudycz.

Thank youy Mr. President. Just to respond briefly to Senaeor Brookins. You know, Senator Brookins, Park Ridge has a population of thirty-nine thousand. That's only about ten pereent of the area surroundin: O'Hare Airport. And it's not just his community that profits, your communlty and my community, the City of Chicago profits qreatly from the benefits of the O 'Hare Atrport. All that he ls trying to do is to establish tbis noise-monitoring system wbich affects much of our community, including my neighborhood. Many times at night I'm waken up -- I'm koken <sic> up by flight diversions. Airplanes landin: and -- and -- or landlng and taking off from O 'Hare and beinq diverted over thls Ciey, going over my 18  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th CENERAL ASSEMBLY RECULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24, 1991 community my neighborhood - and the noise is very, very loud. We 're -- let's talk about the four hundred thousand citizens, that's -- that's ninety percent - well he has ten percent of of the problem and the surrounding areas, the suburban areas, as well as the City ot Chicago is effected. would seriously urge you to vote Yes for it.

Further discussion? Senator Butler, to elose.

Thank you, Mr. President. In response to Senator Brookins, should point out once again that were two hundred and twenty thousand people living in those communities the day the first jet plane flew. There were no jets when I moved in that house. So to to claim that we moved in and enjoyed all the big profits and then now are complaining is dead Wronq. The tax rate also, Would trade taxes with you, frankly. We have gone up rapidly and large. Finallyy let me just close my saying O'Hare is forever. don't know what everybody's worried about. It's going to go on. There's no way .the suburbs or any group of individuals could kill that field. It's there. All welre saying is let's make it as palatable as possible to a1l those people. We need -- we need to show some concern, we need to start someplace and this, my humble opinion, is a very humble start and I would urge everyone to vote for it, please.

Question is, shall Genate Bi1l 1233 pass. Those favor Will vote Aye. Opposed will vote Nay and the voting is open. Have a1l voted Who Wish? Have al1 voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have al1 voted who wish? Take the reeord. On that question, the Ayes, Nays, none votin: Present. Senate Bill 1233, having received the required constitutional majority, is deelared passed. On the Order of Senate Bills 3rd Reading,  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24, 1991 Senate Bill 1234. Senator Geo-Karis, for what purpose do you arise?

Mr. President, a point of personal privilege.

State your polnt, please.

Mr. President and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate, in the gallery -- in the Presidentds Gallery -- on a number of very fine very distinguished visitors from the Archdiocese of Greek Orthodox Chureh from the Diocese and St. Peter and Paul's Church, James and Tina Zoumboulis, from Mt. Prospect; Nicholas and Mary Samaras, from -- from Mt. Prospect; Nicholas and Georgia Nirgiotisr from Wilmette; Theodore -- Dr. Theodore Kamatos and Emily Kamatos from Lincolnshire; Michael and Fran Palmer from Northbrook, Illinois; Peter and Helen Anast, from Glenview; James and Georgia Barris of Northbrook; Bessie Allans from Wilmette, Illinois and Mrs. Georqia Barris is the President of the Diocese Women of the Greek Orthodox Church of'lllinois and I'd like for you to know Lhat- theydre represented by Senator Keats and Senator Barkhausen, and we 're delighted to have them With us, visiting Springfield for the first kime, in this Senate. And theyire in President's Galleryy please help me Welcome them.

Will our guests please stand and be regognized. Weleome to Springfield. Senator Collins, for what purpose do you arise?

Thank you. To have leave to have Senator de1 Valle added as a joint hyphenated co-sponsor to Senate Bill 1338, and to have him to handle that bill on the Floor for me, because 1'11 be off the Floor momentarily in a meeting pertaining to Senate business.

20  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLX REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24, 1991 Al1 right. The Lady seeks leave to show Senator del Valle as the co-sponsor of 1338 and asks leave that he be -- that he handle the bill when it's presented. Leave is granted. 1234. Read the bill, Madam Secretary.

Senate Bill 1234. (Secretary reads title of bill) 3rd Reading of the bill.

Senator Berman.

Thank you, Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. Senate Bill 1234 creates the Judicial Advisory Council made up of fourteen Legislative Members. Wedve amended so that the appointments are equal Democrats and Republicans. It's to pravkde a formal bridge between the Legislative and Judicial Branches of Government to address our mutual eoncerns. Be glad to respond tc any questions.

Question is, shall Senate Bill 1234 pass. Those in favor: vote Aye. Opposed, vote Nay. The voting's open. Have a11 voted who wish? Have all voted who Wish? Have ak1 voted who wish? Take the record. On that questionr there are 48 Ayes, Nay, none voting Present. Senate Bill 1234, having received the required constitutional majority, is declared passed. 1235. Senator Jacobs. zead the bill, Madam Seeretary, please. Bottom of Page 7. The bottom of Page 7, Ladies and Gentlemen. On the Order of Senate Bill's 3rd Reading is Senate Bill 1235. Read it, please.

Senate Bill 1235. (Secretary reads title of bill) 3rd Readin: of the bill. 21  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24: 1991 PRESIDENT ROCK: Senator Jacobs. SENATOR JACOBS: Thank -- thank you, Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. We're not going to get into a lot on this. Will be willing to answer any questions. This is the fireworks bill. Twenty-one to purchase. Twenty-one to sell. The funding will go to the General Fund, other than that which goes to the Fire Marshall's Office. I do understand we've got a technical problem with this, which we will be wllling to clean up in the House: because we did put back in the Fireworks Regulation Act, and that may be in conflict with this Act. Like to get it out of here and keep it working and ask for your support. PRESIDENT ROCK: Discussion? Senator Lechowicz. SENATOR LECHOWICZ: Thank you, Mr. President: Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. Unfortunately, I have to rise in opposition to this bill. And I would hope that the Member sbould -- Would.listen and understand what wefre doing with this bill. Wetre actually legalizing the sale af fireworks in this State. And I really thlnk this is step backward from the standpoint of providing safety -- public safety to children of this State. Each and every one of us received a letter from the Prevention of Blindness Organization - when this bill came out of committee, stating their opposition and the reason Why. Al1 of us remember the sad facts of when flreworks were legal in this State and a number of accidents that happened. And unfortunately it's an untold story and how these -- how these kids have to survive with the loss of fingers, the loss of an eye and here we have a proposal now to legalize this in this State. I Was absolutely dumbfounded in committee when this matter came ' before us and I would hope that Membership would take the personal i 22 %  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24, 1991 safety of the children involved and vote this proposal down. I have no objection to fireworks being eonducted by proper, safe organizations where the public safety is of the paramount importance. But under this blll, it'd be available to ehe children of this State and unfortunately you say -- they amended it to make it twenty-one, you and I know exactly what transpired. I would reeommend a No vote. Thank you.

Purtber discussion? Senator Donahue.

Well thank you, Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. This is kind of a difficult bill for me and f think for many of us in downstate. live on a border of two states, Iowa and Missouri. I've got fireworks eoming out my ears. There's tents all across the river, so we have them a11 the time, and a great concern for that in our area and downstate. But I think eo legalize this at this time is a little -- it's wrong. Now, the bill the Way it's writeen is technically Wron: in many respects. It's created a new Act and we did not repeal the old' Act, so essencey we have two fireworks Acts on the books and they basieally eonflict in many reqards. It's poorly Written and thtnk that if this passes, whieh I hope it doesn't, but if it leaves the Senate: hope that tbe sponsor will make sure that it's cleaned up in the House and that the Fire Marshall's Office, the Department of Publlc Health, the sponsors of this thin; will sit down together and make this work, and make it make it have it be written properly. Wefve have a great deal of conflice on Whether the Fire Marshallfs Office is for this or aqainst this, or what's going on. Right now they're neutral and I kind of objeet to that as Well. But at this point for a11 of you purposes, they are neutral and I would move for its I wculd hope that we could defeat this. 23  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24# 1991

Further diseussion? Senator Vadalabene.

Xes. Thank you, Mr. President and Members of the Senate. I rarely gee up on the Floor to talk for or against a bill. However, I Would like to make this observation. I am a border district to Missouri, and if you come around to -- to the state -- my district in the next two or three weeks: you'll see thousands î and thousands and thousands of cars going over into Missouri and bringin: those fireworks back into Illinois, back to those same children, Senator Lechowicz, cars loaded wlth children, bringing those fireworks into Illinois. I think that Senator can get this bill into the shape that ie sbould be in, but don't don't think that you are preventing fireworks to be sold and delivered in Illinois and stopped. This is a big business industry for Missouri and thereds no reason why the State of Illinois shouldnft enjoy those dollars, and I support this bill.

Further diseussion? Senator Woodyard.

Thank you, Mr. President, Members of the Senate. Well for the same reasons that Senator Vadalabene used, I rise in support this bill. have a hundred and twenty-flve miles of Indiana border'along my district, and -- and the cars go to Indiana just in droves to buy Class C fireworks and it's going to happen and I don't see anv reason to be hypoeriElcal in thinking that it's not going to -- to happen. People are going to use fireworks. When I first came over here, I thouqht that We had enough gamblinq on the books, and since then, I I certainly realized that evidently we didn't. People were -- are going to do that, and and now wefve expanded this -- that. Certainly people are going to use fireworks and this is at least a method of -- of gaining 24  STATE 0F ILLINOTS 87th CENERAL ASSEMBLX RECULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24# 1991 some revenue from it and limiting that to just the Class C. So for those reasons, certainly urge your support for this bill.

All right. Nine additional people have sought recognition, I would ask the Membership to please try to keep their remarks brief. Senator Butler.

Yes. Mr. President. One sentenee that summarizes my attitude. When I was a youngster, my best friend was blinded by a firecracker. PRESIDENT ROCK; Further discussion? Senator Schaffer.

Mr. President and Members of the Senate, I too, have a border district and I -- I can see there's a great deal of interstate traffic. Of courser one thin: that has been pointed out, that still doesn't make it legalz just beeause you bought it in Missouri or Iowa or Wisconsin, it's still illegal in this State. number of years a9o this Body lowered the drinking a:e to eighteen -- nineteen: and oddly enough the nineteen- to twenty-one-year-olds really handled it pretty well. But what we dkdn't reallze when we lowered the drinking age is we also lowered the illegal drinking age. And for the first time We saW fourteen- -- thirteen-year-olds, We saW alcohol a problem in the grade schools. would suggest to you there is a comparison ln this bill. If we legalize quote l'Class C Fireworksn who are we kidding that *he M80s and the blg stuff won 't be under the counter and bein: sold illegally. It's going to happen. It happen across the borders riqht now. We all know that. I wake up on the holidays and that different times to the roar of an M80 on a rather regular basis, and I know what it sounds like, and know we have them. We will, by the passage of this bill: be greatly 25  STATE 0F ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24, 1991 expanding the illegal use of major fireworks throughout the State by condoning the legal use quote, unquote ''less dangerous fireworks.'' Every fourth of July, I think we all know that you can count on a story in the paper or on the radio or TV the day after the holiday about one or tWo people that had been severely injured by fireworks. But remember when they were legal wasn't one or two people, it was a dozen or more. That's what you're voting on. HoW many people Will be blinded or crippled. That's what this roll call is on.

Further discussion? Senator Watson.

Yes. Thank you, Mr. President. Question of the sponsor.

Senator Jacobs there's a question bein: put. Sponscr indicates he will yield, Senator Watson.

Thank you. Would you give me the definition of a Class Firework?

Senator Jacobs.

Class C Fireworks basically falls in the realm of what they call morning glories, which is a wooden type of sparkler. It includes roman candles; in includes bottle rockets; it includes the small fire crackers with less than five grams, a lot less powder in those than what we sell in order to reload the shotguns of our State.

Senator Watson.

Well thank you. 1 rise in support of the legislation. 0ne 26  STATE 0F ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24, 1991 thin: when we think of fireworks# a lot of us think of the big displays and the cherry bombs and the M80s and the ash cans and al1 of that. We're not talking about legalizing that type of firework. Now you go -- like Senator Vadalabene said, you go over to Missouri - and I did this several weeks ago and ask those folks over there Who are selling fireworks, said ''How many people from Illinois come over here to buy fireworksad' Equally equal number of people from Illinois and Missouri purchase fireworks at the fireworks stand right across the river in Louis in Missouri. We might as Well take advantage of the revenue that could be generated from this, beeause people are using them now . In the next several weeks We're going to see - and 1'11 tell you, in my area and in my town and in my back. yard probably, we will see an illegal display of fireworks golng on, because I'm a fireworks nut. And I just - why not just legalize it and 1et the people have a good time on 4th of July and let the revenue flow to the General Revenue Fund that Will come from this. So rise in support.

Further dkscussion? Senator Keats.

It's sort of a interesting position. It's legal have an assault weapon. It's legal to have 357 magnum, but it's illegal to have a firecracker. That's a logical position really wouldnlt want to try to explain.

Further discussion? Further dtscussion? senator Jacobse to elose.

Thank -- thank you, Mr. President. We will keep the elose fairly short. Eirst of all, just 1et me add to what -- what Senator Keats just said. It does seem a little strange in this 27  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24: 1991 State that at the age of sixteen we allow a a a youth of sixteen years old to get behind tWo tons of steel ko drive down the road at 65 - - 85 miles an hour. We -- we brag up - which we al1 got one from the Illinois Rifle Assoeiation of our fourteen-year-old heroes from Illinois who won shooting contests, so we can allow them to have a gun, but for -- heaven forbid don 't let them have that little firecracker. Nobody is here hurt anyone, but I'm here to tell you that anyone who believes what theyfre hearing on July 3rd in my district and throughout the rest of the districts in this State are not firecrackers and they are just the backfires of cars, have got another thing eoming. think we should legalize it, get the taxes from and go on about our business. Thank you.

Question is, shall Senate Bill 1235 pass. Those favor will vote Aye. Opposed, vote Nay and the voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have al1 voted Who Wish? Have all voted wha wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted kho wish? Take the.-record. On that question, there are 28 Ayes, 26 Naysz nohe voting Present. Senate Bill 1235, having failed to reeeive the required constitutional majority, is declared lost. Top of Page 8, Ladies and Centlemen. 0n the Order of Senate Bills 3rd Reading. Senator Etheredge. 1237. Read the bill: Madam Secretary.

Senate Bill 1237. (Secretary reads tltle of bill) 3rd Readin: of the bill.

Senator Etheredge.

Thank you, Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. 28  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLX REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legtslative Day May 24, 1991 Senate Bill 1237 would establish a -- three pklot learn-fair programs around the State of Illinois. The bill would require a series of reports to the General Assembly on the progress of these praqrams and it also would automatically sunset the programs after a period of two sehool years, unless the General Assembly aets affirmatively to extend the program. Ifd be happy to respond to any questionsw there are none, I would ask for a favorable roll call.

Discussion? not, the question is, shall Senate Bill 1237 pass. Those in favor, vote Aye. Opposed, vote Nay. The votingls open. Have all voted who Wish? Have a11 voted who wish? Have al1 voted who wish? Take the record. On that question, there are 54 Ayes, 1 Nay, none voting Present. Senate Bill 1237. having teceived the required constitutional majority, ls declared passed. 1239. Senator Philip. 1282. On the Order of Senate Bills 3rd Reading is Senate Bill 1282. Read the bill, Madam Secretary.

Senate Bill 1282. (Seeretary reads title of bill) 3rd Reading of the bill.

Senator Philip.

Thank you, Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. Senate Bil1 1282 amends the Prlvate Detective and Private Alarm and Private Securlty Act of 1983. you had -- you were licensed before July 29th of 1986 and had ewo licenses, you'd be able to continue to do that. I think it only affects one detective aqeney in the State of Illinois, a guy that happens be in my distrietp he has two young sons that -- that want to eontinue in his business and he Would appreciate -- able having 29  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIFT 33rd Legislatïve Day May 24e 1991 a two ligenses. Any questions, I'd be happy to answer them and I would certainly appreeiate a favorable vote.

Discussion? Senator Smith. Okay. If not, the question is: shall Senate Bill 1282 pass. Those in favor, vote Aye. Opposed, vote Nay. The voting's open. Have a11 voted uho Wish? Rave al1 voted who wish? Have a1l voted who wish? Take the record. On that question, there are 55 Ayes, no Nays, none voting Present. Senate Bill 1282: having received the required constitutional majority, is declared passed. 1284. Senator Geo-Xaris. Read the bill: Madam Secretary, please.

Senate Bill 1284. (Secretary reads title of bill) 3rd Reading of the bill.

Senator Geo-Karis.

Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate, a11 this bill does is require the court in the proceeding involving child support to assign the tax dependency exemption to the parent payinq khe majority of support unless good cause is shown otherwise. The court shall make a finding of how it determines Which parent pays the majority of support by itemizing specifia expenses attributable ko that child or children. 1 ask for a favorable roll call.

Discussion? Discussion? If not, the question is, shall Senate Bill 1284 pass. Those in favor: vote Aye. Opposed, vote Nay. The voting is open. Have all voted Who Wish? Have a11 voted Who Wish? Have a1l voted who Wisb? Take the record. On that question, there are 53 Ayes, 2 Nays, none voting Fresent. 30  STATE 0F ILLINOIS ' 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24, 1991 Senate Bill 1284, havin: received the required constitutional ! majority, is declared passed. 1285. Senator Watson. Read the ' bill,MadamSecretary,please. 1

Senate Bi11 1285. (Secretary reads title of bill) 3rd Reading of the bill.

Senator Watson.

Thank you, Mr. President. Thls particular piece of legislation was offered by the Department of Transportation and puts the State law in to conformance With federal law in regard to the Motor Carrier Safety Regulations Act. Riqht noW the Department of Transportation and the Office of Motor Carriers of the Federal Highway Administration has indicated that we could possibly lose some federal funding if we don't comply with the grants in regard to interstate and intrastate commercial transportation. An amendment Was added--to 'the bill which clarkfked some of the definitions Within the Aet: and I know of no opposition and ask for your favorable support.

Discussion? Discussion? If not, the question is, shall Senate Bill 1285 pass. Those in favor, vote Aye. Opposed, vote Nay . The voting 's open. All voted who wlsh? Have a11 voted who wish? Have a1l voted who wish? Take the record. On kha: question, there are 56 Ayes, no Nays, none voting Present. Senate Bill 1285, havlng received the required constitutional majority, is declared passed. 1-2-9-7. 1297, Madam Secretary, read the bill, please.

Senate Bill 1297. 31  STATE 0F ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24 , 1991 I (Seeretary reads title of bill) ! 3rd Reading of the bill. PRESIDENT ROCK: Senator Topinka. SENATOR TOPINKA : Yes, Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. This is an administration bill coming to us from the Department of Public Aid, I believe. And it anends the Illinois Parentage Act to allow the court to order DNA testing in order to determine parentage. With the amendments that we put on from Senator Berman, we very elearly state that the judge would be in charge of passing on his authority to an expert who would be able to -- to appoint this expert to appoint therefore other tests that might be helpful and would be sckentifically up to date to allow the court to get the best conceivable information on the testing available at this time to determine parentaqe. The judge, again I stress, would have the control to pick the expert, and that expert then would have the control to pick other experts or to go ta the extent that he needed to get the tests that Were necessary - ' And that's what the bill does. PRESIDENT ROCK: Discussion? Senator Berman. SENATOR BERMAN: Thank you, Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. Fortunately most of us don't have any exposure to this subject matter. But it deals With *he question of paternity and more specifically what is involved is who pays child support payments back to Public Aid. That's the question here. And 1et me suggest that there were some amendments that I suggested to Senator Topinka: but there was one key amendment that the Department rejected, and I want to bring that to your attention and that's why I stand in opposition to the bill. The Department 32 L  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87:h GENERAL AssEMgsy REGDLAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day ëa# 1991 of Public Aid has a sole-supplier contract for the testing of the question of paternity. What that means, Ladfes and Gentlemen, that the Department of Public Aid has one testing company, a company that all does is perform the contracts that the Department of Publie Aid gives it to determine through genetic tests the likelihood of paternity. Now if you're -- if you're an accused, if youdre a defendant in a case, you have a substantial stake in the question of whether you are or are not the alleged father of the child that's receiving Public Aid benefits. The tests that are given are given by a single company contracted with by the Department of Public Aid. The problem with this bill is that the the bilt removes from the court the power to dictate the tests that shall be qiven by this contracting company by the testing company. That, Ladiep and Gentlemen, makes a11 the difference in the World. Because tests can be given that will effect determine that youdre guilty and you have to build your own case to disprove your guilt. Thatts not - I would suggest to you the American system. A person is not guilty unless -- until proven so and-all'of the resources of the State are being stacked against the accused. I ask that one amendment be put back into the bill that's already in the law, that's removed by this bill, and that is give the judge the power that he presently has to mandate the tests the full range of tests - that are being given. The Department refused that. So What they're asking for through your Aye vote is an endorsement of stacking the deek against the accused. That bothers me, it ought to bother you. urge a No vote.

Discussion? We have about twelve people who wish to talk . Senator Brookins.

Thank you. Last night or this morntng one about -- early 33  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Lesislative Day May 24, 1991 last night I received a call from tWo Cook County Judges, ane i ! I supervisor of the lst Judicial District in Cook County and the l other a judge that sits on the parentage courts. And they l informed me that normally they order a Type 4 type examination: which wi11 consist of twenty-four tests; ora Type3,which 1 consists of twenty genetic testing systems. Now, the judges informed me that with this bill that takes that ability from them I to order the type of test that they need to make a -- a fair judgement. And that this bill is bad. These are two judges that do sit in those courts in Cook County. It is my understanding that they did write to the Supreme Court to ask them to intervene and also to you: Mr. President. So I rise in opposition to this bill to let folks on this side of the aisle know that it is not a good bill; it will take away the ability of the judge to name the type of examines that they need. Furthermore, it was also informed that these exams are given in North Carolina by a company ' outside of Illinois that charges somewhere in the area of five hundred and some dollars for the exams. Once they are needed to testify in Chicagoy or in 'the State of Illinois, they must be flown in, lodged, et cetera, at a greater expense tban the test can be given in Illinois or in Cook County. So I urge a No vote on this matter. PRESIDENT ROCK: Further discussion? With leave of the Body, Illinois Public Radio has also requested permisslon to reeord the proceedinqs. Leave ls granted. FurEher discussion? Senator Jones. SENATOR JONES: Well, I'm voting for the bill. PRESIDENT ROCK: Further discussion? Senator Fawell. SENATOR FAWELL: Thank you very much: Mr. President. I serve - as many of you 34  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEXBLX REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24, 1991 know - on the -- on the ehild support commission. The test that sbe is talking about is the test that has been proven time and time again, is about 99.99 percent accurate on picking out who is the father. One of the big problems wedve always had in the past is that one of the defenses that the men used to put up about whose child Was this that suddenly appeared out of nowherer was that, ''Yeah it could have been mine, but it could have been Dick, and it could have been Harryls, and it could have been Tomds, and it could have Jimds.'' And then Dick, Harry, Tom and Jim Would come in and say yeah it eould have been mine, too, and there the State and the women kas allowed to have the privilege of supporting that child from now until eternity. What this bill does and what this test does is tell us Who the father is. think this ts a good bill for us to have to go through a1l this nonsense constantly. lf a man is the father he ought to be man enough to stand up and admit that he's the father and take his responsibility upon his shoulders, not try and dump it upon the State. This test does work. There's more than enough proof to prove that it korks and think we ought to support this bill.

Purther discussion? Senator Topinka, to close.

Well, Mr. President and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. This is kind of a technical bihl, because as you know we're getting into the -- the areas of medical technology, which 9o far and beyond those thtnqs that many of us may have learned school. Go far and beyond what many of our Cook County judges any other judqes may really have a handle onz because advanced -- it is state of the art and Senator Fawell is correct. Some of these tests have been proven out that they can give you a ninety-nine percent reading. It pretty hard to retute. In answer to what Senator Berman brings up, this is -- this is one of the 35  STATE OF ILLINOIG 87th GEXERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24, 1991 ë areas of the 1aw where -- where parties that are contending with one another cannot get experts to come in and testify. This bill allows for that, it is very specifically written into that and this a11 done under the judges discretion and that is maintained. The judge has the dlscretion as to whieh company or which expert to choose. He doesn't have to take the Illinois Department of Public Aid 's sole contractorz which by the way happens to be cheaper and that's why very often it is used, because it is eheaper. But there are very few companies that do do this test. So we are limited right off as to who could be asked to do this anyway. It is just not that common a test that can be done, because of techniques and expertise and costs, so it is limited. Weire not staeking the deck, because any party under order of the eourt can get independent experts on this. In facty it opens it up probabty in to a fairer type of a hearinq. I would -- I would just contend that I love my judges dearly, but most of them are not exactly skilled in some of the scientific -- techniques of where medical technology is going. I think this would be of help to them, rather tban a hindrance, and I would ask -for your positive voke.

Question is, shall Senate Bill 1297 pass. Those in favor will vote Aye. Opposed, vote Nay, and the voting is open. Have a11 voted who wish? Have a11 voted who wish? Have al1 voted Who wish? Take the record. On that question, there are 34 Ayes, 21 Nays, 1 votlng Present. Senate B1l1 1297, havlng received the required constltutlonal majority, is declared passed. 1310. Senator Schuneman. Read the bkllz Madam Secretary, please.

Senate Bill 1310. (Secretary reads title of bill) 3rd Reading of the bill. 36 -- -.  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLX REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legkzlative Day MaY 1991

Senator Schuneman.

Thank you, Mr. President. Senate Bill 1310 is an administration bill of the Department of Insurance . As far as I know, there's no opposition to the bill. was on the hgreed Bill List and I removed it in order to add a teehnical amendment. The bill makes a number of technical changes, some of which were suggested by the Auditor General. chanqes the basis of valuation of insurance investments. Repeals the requirement for the Department to publish a workers' compensatian booklet. It changes some of the cancellation provisions. It changes the date on which certain pension reports must be filed with the Department. I would be happy to try to answer any questions. If not, I'd move for approval of the bill.

Discussion? Discussion? If not: the question is# shall Senate Bill 1310 pass. Those in favor, vote Aye. Opposed, vote Nay. The voting is open. Have a11 voted Who wish? Have voted who Wish? Have a11 voted who wish? Take the record. On that question: there are 57 Ayes, no Nays, none voting Present. Senate Bill 1310, havin: received the required constitutional majorityy is declared passed. 1315. Senator Philip. 1317. Senator Weaver. 1328. Senator Luft. Read the bill, Madam Secretary, please.

Senate Bi1l 1328. (Secretary reads title of bill) 3rd Reading of the bill.

Senator Luft.

STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legîslative Day May 24, 1991 Thank you, Mr. President. Senate Bill 1328 has a host of amendments which related to a host of bills that were initially introduced. will try to move through here quickly and attempt to answer any questions. One of the amendments was Senator Donahue 's that attempts to qualify a11 mobile homes for the homestead exemption. Senator Rigney had a bill asking for an automatic thirty-five hundred exemption, not -- in the homestead exemption. The bill also allows for nonresident beneficiaries of trust estates to file composite returns, excludes homeowners and political organizations from payment af estimated taxes. Increases accrued penalty for redemption between thirty and thirty-six months. Deletes the partial redemption of separate undivided interest in delinquent tax sales. And repeals the abatement language for Eagle Creek. attempt to answer any questions, otherwise IId ask for a favorable vote.

Discussion? Discussion on this, Senator Jacobs? Senator Jacobs.

Thank youz Mr. President. Just real quick. Would the Senator yield for a question?

Indicates he will yield.

Senator, this homestead exemption that is noW on this billy what is that qoin: to eost loeal governments?

Senator Luft.

The cost itself cannot be determined because we don't what the levies would be. The EAV Would be -- reduced by approximately seven hundred and forty mlllion dollars. 38  STATE 0F ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislatkve Day May 24z 1991

Senaeor Jacobs.

Well, if -- if we reduce the EAV by seven hundred and fifty million dollars assuming the six-dollar tax rate, We're talking about what 4.2 or forty-two million -- forty-two million, something like that? I that's a tremendous hit. T T don't have any qualms with you getting your bill out, Senaeor, but sure as heck hope that that particular amendment is -- reconsidered over the House, cause I think itês too big of a hit on local government that Wedre already trying to put limit on anyway. PRESIDENT ROCK; Purther discussion? Senator Holmberg.

Thank you, Mr. President. I -- this bill has some good things in it, but it certainly - as Senator Jacobs has said -- has some devastating things for local government. I don't know -- it seems like Senator Rigney has something against local bovernment. First wants a cap on it and then he takes away some more ineome . think the amendment that he put on, can be very damagkng . And must say that I had a very small amendment - really a bill in local government -- or in revenue, which would have had exemption for a blind and disabled veteran and that was considered too expensive in this year when we really have a shortfall. This one would be a much bigqer hit and it disturbs me a great deal .

Purther discussion? Further discussion? Senator Luft, to close .

Thank you, Mr. President. The Revenue Committee offered this bill for everyone to apply an amendment to if they Wished. I'd 39  STATE 0F ILLTNOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24, 1991 just ask for a favorable vote. PRESIDENT ROCK: Question is, shall Senate Bill 1328 pass. Those in favor, vote Aye. Opposed, vote Nay. The voting's open. All voted who Wish? Have a1l voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have a11 voted who wish? Take the record. On that question, there are Ayes, 2 Nays, 1 voting Present. Senate Bk11 1328, having received the required constitutional majority, is declared passed. 1330. Senator Welch. Read the billz Madam Seeretary. SECRETARY HAWKER: Senate Bill 1330. (Secretary reads title of bill) 3rd Reading of the bill. PRESIDENT ROCK: Senator Welch. SENATOR WELCH: The Calendar is correct in stating that it requires mathers and fathers soeial seeurity numbers on birth certificates. The purpose being to be able to track down nonpaying parents for child support purposes. PRESIDENT ROCK: Discussion? Discussion? If not, tbe question is, shall Senate Bill 1330 pass. Those in favor, vote Aye. Opposed, vote Nay. The voting's open. All voted who Wish? Have a11 voted who wish? Have a11 voted Who wish? Take the reeord. On that question, there are 56 Ayes, no Nays, none voting Present. Senabe Bkll 1330, havinq received the required constitutional majority, is declared passed. 1331. Senator Smith. Read the bill, Madam Secretary, please. SECRETARY HAWKER : Senate Bill 1331. (Secretary reads title of bill) 40 c  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY RECULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24, 1991 3rd Reading of the bill. PRESIDENT ROCK; Senator Smith.

Thank you, Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. Senate Bill 1331 merely requires the Department of Public Hea1th to use available federal funds to fund Pediatric Trauma Care Projects. The Department shatl use the federal funds to provide grants for improvement of pediatric care. And I have urged the Department to apply for these funds which Were previously not being used. And there is no cost to the State. The Department is in agreement with this expandin: service to children, and certainly move and urge the adoption of 1331.

Discussion on 13317 Senator Topinka.

Yes. Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate, really have to commend Senator Smith for an outstanding job of working with the Department, putting together a good bill and if could join you as a co-sponsor on that billy Would be delighted if you would be so moved.

A1l right. Lady seeks leave to be shown as a co-sponsor. Question is# shall Senate Bill 1331 pass. Those in favor, vote Aye. Opposed, vote Nay. The voting's open. A11 voted who wish? Have a11 voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Take the record. On that question, there are 57 Ayes, no Nays, none voting Present. Senate Bill 1331, havlng received the required constitutional majority, is declared passed. 1338. Senator del Valle. Read the bill, Madam Secretary, please.

Senate Bill 1338. 41  STATE 0F ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24, 1991 I (Secretary reads title of bill) 3rd Reading of the bill.

Senator det Valle. SENATOR dEL VALLE: Thank you, Mr. President. Senate Bill 1338 amends the Illinois Insurance Code. And it permits the Department to destroy records relating to complaints and rate filings after seven years, rather than two years. I urge an Aye vote .

Discussion? Senator Madigan.

Thank you: Mr. President. Question of the sponsor.

Sponsor indlcates he will yield, Senator Madigan.

The Calendar shows: Senator Collins as the sponsor , and I believe that Senator del Valle has been added as a sponsor to it, and I know that Senato'r Collins has worked awfully hard in trying to put this bill into good shape. My question of the sponsor is, is this bill going to remain when we send lt over to the House -- is this bill going to remain in its shape that it's in now , or is this bill getting wheels?

Senator de1 Valle. S ENATOR dEL VALLE : My understanding, Senator Madigany is that this bill has been aqreed to with the Department and I don 't know of any plans -- I'm not aware of any plans to do anything else With the bill.

Further discussion? Senator Schuneman.

42  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24, 1991 Well, only to say that the Department of Insuranae, understand, has signed off on the provisions that are in the bill at this time, and so I think that We should support the bill in its present form.

Question isr shall Senate Bill 1338 pass. Those in favor, vote Aye. Opposed, vote Nay. The voting's open. Have a11 voted who wish? Have a11 voted who wish? Have a1l voted who wish? Take the record. On that question, there are 50 Ayes, l Nay, none voting Ptesent. Senate Bilt :338, havkn: recekved the required constitutional majority, is declared passed. 1349. Senator Joyce. Read the bill.

Senate Bill 1349. (Secretary reads title of bill) 3rd Readinq of the bill.

Senator Joyce. SENATOR J.J. Joyce: Thank you, Mr. President. Senate Bill 1349 increase the State Disposal or Tipping Fee to ninety cents per cubic yard from sixty cents per cubic yard. I'd be happy to answer any questions.

Discussion? Discussion? Senator Macdonald.

Yes. Mr. President. rise in opposition to this bill. It was heard in Enerqy and Environment Committee and was the feeling of many of us that there really isn't a need in this - at least in this particular yeary to increase the tipping fees that are that are suggested in this bill. The economy really isy right now, is not such that think that it's a good idea and therefore I would ask foz opposition to this bill. 43  STATE 0F ILLINOIS 87th GENZRAL ASSEMBLX REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24, 1991 PRESIDENT ROCK: Further discussion? Senator Jones. Senator Joyce, to close. SENATOR J.J. JOXCE: Thank you, Mr. President. Welly I think that as we're going into this we're doing more and more recyclinq, the tipping fees are going down, as you know the yard waste is not going into our landfills. That decreased the tipping fees and the amount of waste gotng into land fills by ten percent. So as these -- as we do more reeycling and people want to do it, if we can make it convenient for people, they Will recycle. And these grants are going out to municipalities and communities and -- and they 're using it just very well: and I -- it just -- if we help people and make it easier for them to recycle, we're not going to have this tremendous Waste stream that we have today. And I'd -- I'd urge an Aye vote. PRESIDENT ROCK: Question is, shall Senate Bill 1349 pass. Those in favor, vote Aye. Opposedy vote Nay. The voting is open. Have a1l voted . who.wish? Have a1l voted Who wish? Have a11 voted Who wish? Have a11 voted who wish? Have a11 voted who wish? Take the record. On that question, there are 26 Ayes, 22 Nays, 2 voting Present. Senate Bill 1349, having failed to receive the constitutional majority, is declared lost. 1382. Senator Cullerton. Read the bill. SECRETARY HAWKER: Eenate Bl11 1382. (Seeretary reads title of bil1) 3rd Reading of the bill. PRESIDENT ROCK: Senator Cullerton. SENATOR CULLERTON: Thank you, Mr. President and Members of the Senate. This bill 44  STATE 0F ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24, 1991 would require the Department of Public Aid and the State Board Education to establish a proqram that is equivalent to an Alcoholic Anonymous 12 Step Recovery Program for pupils in grades five through twelve. The program should be developed -- will be developed by the State Board of Education in consultation and cooperation with the Department of Alcoholism and Substance Abuse. And the purpose would be to design a program that would provide support services and instruction that assist pupils in coping with an environment in Which one or more of their family members suffers from addiction to alcoholism or other drug abuse or dependency. be happy to answer any questions and appreciate your support.

Discussion? Senator Donahue.

Well, thank you, badies and Gentlemen of the Senate, and Mr. President. This is another mandate on our schools to develop a new program. I think it's a laudible program and I think there are ..lots of things that are happening in our schools dealing with drugs and alcohol. Just remember it's a mandate and I would hope we could defeat

Further discussion? Senator Cullerton, to close.

Yes. I would just emphasize the fact that the Governor in his budget has emphasized prevention. This type of program is really prevention. We get children Who are related to people who have alcoholism problems. We give -- we train them early, perhaps keeping them from becoming alcoholics themselves, and helping their parents. So for that reason, think it's a good idea and we should vote for it.

45  < r .s STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMSLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT ' 33rd Legislative Day May 24, 1991 Question is# shall Senate Bill 1382 pass. Those in favcr, I vote Aye. Opposed, vote Nay. The voting's open. A11 voted Who I wish? Have al1 voted who wish? A11 voted who wish? Have a1l I voted who wish? Take the record. On that question, there are 23 Ayes, 27 Nays, none voting Present. Senate Bill 1382, having failed to receive the constitutional majority, is deelared lost. 1392. Senator Welch. Read the bill, Madam Secretary.

Senate Bill 1392. (Secretary reads title of bil1) 3rd Reading of the bill.

Senator Welch.

Thank you: Mr. President. This bill is an attempt to keep sediment from going into our rivers and streams in Illinois. The initial fundin: mechanism of a real estate tax has been taken out. The administering agency is the Department of Agrieulture. The bill now requires the Department to cooperate wtth the 1990 Federal Farm bill, establlshin: Qrass filter strips and riparian corridors along streams. We're hoping to garner federal funding for the program. I would urge an Aye vote.

Discussion? Senator Hawkinson.

Thank you, Mr. President. I rise ln suppor: of this measure. We have a tremendous problem along our rivers and streams and tbis could be a step in the right direction to solving that problem .

The question is, shall Senate Bill 1392 pass. Those in favor, vote Aye. Opposed, vote Nay: and the voting's open. Have al1 voted kho wish? Have all voted who wlsh? Have all voted who wish? 46  STATE 0F ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY ' REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24, 1991 Take the record. On that question, there are 56 Ayes, no Nays, none voting Present. Senate Bill 1392, havin: received the required constitutional majority, is declared passed. 1396. Senator Etheredge. 1403. Senator Joyce. I END 0F TAPE TAPE 2

1424. Senator Raica. Read the bill, Madam Secretary, please.

Senate Bill 1424. (Secretary reads title of bill) 3rd Reading of the bill.

Senator Raica.

Thank you, Mr. President and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. This is an anti-gang bill. The reason itls an anti-gang bill is because it gets at the suppliers that supply the qangs throughout the State of Illinois with weapons. This creates the Deadly Weapons Tort Claims Act. What it basically says is any person who sells or transfers an illegal weapon or firearm is strictly liable for damage or injury caused by the criminal of tortious use of threatened use of such weapon. It's an affirmative defense to this if the person to Whom the weapon is transferred was authorized by 1aw to possess it. Therefre additional affirmative defenses in relations to firearms, and this Act kicks in if the transfer is to a person not authorized by law to possess such a weapon. The penalties are also raised for the 47  STATE 0F ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24, 1991 kncwledge of selling this firearm. The knowing sale of a firearm to a felon, felon is raised from a Class A misdemeanor to a Class 2 felony. There 's three -- three violations of the unlawful sale of a firearm within a three-year period is raised to a Class 2 felony unless it involves transfer to a felonz in which case it is a nonprobational Class l felony. Tbe records on the transfer of a firearm by a dealer must include the FOID card number of the buyer. The seller must ascertain that such FOID card ls a valid EOID card. The penalty is also raised for the p'ossession or transfer of a firearm with an altered or defaced ID card . An owner of a firearm must report the loss or theft of a firearm to the polkce wkth seventy-two hours of the discovery of the loss or the theft. Pailure to do so is a petty offense. In addition, put another amendment on here. Currently, the FOID cards throughout the State of Illinois only ask for someone to have their address and other such lnformation on the card . What Amendment No. -- Amendment No. 2 says is they Would have to lnelude their Soeial Security number which now ts a tracking system for al1 police departments throughout this State. They will also have to include either their driver's license number of their State ID number. We have read through the papers that the - - various poliee departments have had problems at gettin: at the people who sell the weapons to gang members. What thls basically says is you have to sell -- if youdre going to sell to someone who has a FOID card, a legitimate FOID card. No gang member has a POID card. And, therefore, you are committing a crime by selling this to a gang member. And I'd just ask for your support on this bill.

Discussion? Discussion? not, the question sball Senate Bill 1424 pass. Those in favor, vote Aye. Opposed, vote Nay. The votin: is open. Al1 voted who wlsh? Have a11 voted who 48  ' j ! STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24, 1991 wish? Have a1l voted Who wish? Take the record. On that question, there are 46 Ayes, 5 Nays, none voting Present. Senate Bill 1424, having received tbe required constitutional majority, is declared passed. 1426. Senator Maltland. Read the bill: Madam Secretary.

Senate Bill 1426. (Secretary reads title of bill) 3rd Reading of the bill.

Senator Maitland.

Thank you very much, Mr. President and Members of the Senate. Senate Bill 1426 creates a County Jaik Inmates Employment Act. It allows inmates of county jails to voluntary voluntarily work for private corporations and be compensated. Tbe warden may deduct a portion of the salary to help pay for inearceration. is my understanding that the City of Chicago had some concerns with this and has suggested some clarifying language to me, and have pledged to them that I would be willing to make that chanqe in the House. Appreciate your support.

Discussion? Senator Demuzio.

Well, might ask the sponsor a questlon. Senator MaiEland, does this mean that if there is a -- in the local county jail, there is someone who is in there that is an inmate who incarcerated in the jail and he goes to work for McDonald's or some fast food restaurant, what do they do? Do they do they take the tnmate down to the McDonald 's and chain him to the counter, or hoW does that Work?

49  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24, 1991 Senator Maitland.

Senator, I -- I think this obviously Will be# first of all, non -- nonviolent inmates and I think it will be dealt with on a case-by-case basis. There are a lot of inmates, as you well know, who are there on very minor crimes and can be used to be productive ln the private sector.

Purther dkscusskon? Senator Rea.

Thank you, Mr. President. Question of the sponsory please.

Indicates he will yield. Senator Rea.

How do you -- what'g meant by clarifying the compensation process?

Senator -- Senator Maitland.

Can you clarify that?

Senator Maitland.

What -- clarifying tbe compensation. Senator, I'm not sure ean answer the question. Tell me where it is in the bill, will you please?

Senator Rea.

Thank you. In terms of -- let me restate my question. In terms -- how will the compensation Work? PRESIDENT R0CK:  STATE 0P ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24, 1991 Senator Maitland.

Al1 right. I'm sorry. I did not understand the questicn. Well, the individual and it would be on an individual-by-individual basis - would be paid and the county may or may not require a portion of that money paid to the indlvidual to be used to pay for incarceration.

Senator Rea.

Would this be a minimum wage?

Senator Maitland.

would imagine would be whatever is paid by the private corporation or company that's involved, Senator.

Senator Rea.

Thank you, Mr. President. Let me point out *wo or three things in terms of this bill. I know that the sponsor has the best of intent on this, but actually there 's no Wage guidelines or protections. The legislation would promote the use of people to replace some of tbe other individuals within the community, which would be taking away jobs. And the practice benefits the -- some of Ehe eompanles, buE yet hurts some of the people in heavily unemployed communities that are suffering from high unemployment. So know tha: the intent is good, but I would suqgest that there be a No vote on this bill and that further work be done in that a rea .

Senator Geo-Karis, for what purpose do you arise? 51  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24, 1991

Mr. President, Ladies -- Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate , rise to speak in favor of this bill. If we're going rehabilitate criminals or prisoners, this is the way to start. And certainly the warden is noe going to recommend someone who is a bad one. And if anyone is willing to work, for heaven sakes y theyire going to be doing menial jobs anyway, but it's good to get them in the private sector. Because how are they golng to be rehabilitated if we don't start there? I certainly think it's a very commendable bill, and I ask everyone to support

Further diseussion? Senator Hall.

Thank you, Mr. President and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. Will the sponsor yield?

Sponsor indicates he'lt yield, Senator Hall.

Senator, we can't find jobs now for people who aren't incarcerated. Who's going to find these jobs? I wish we could get somebody. We have so many people Walking around the streets, male and female, that need jobs and yet we're going to go take inmates and give them jobs. I'd like to know the person who's going to be doin: that, because I got thousands of people can recommend to bim to give jobs and they don't have to use incarcerated people.

Further discussion? Senator del Valle. SENATOR dEL VALLE: Thank you, Mr. President. I rise in opposition to this bill. agree that inmates should be working and we do have some programs at the county level where we have inmates doing community 52  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEXBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24, 1991 service where we have them out there involved in neighborhood cleanups and graffiti removal and these kinds of serviees. My guess is that it this bill kere to become law, those kinds of proqrams would be gradually eliminated and we would have inmates qoin: into programs on a voluntary basis where they wauld make some money, not enough money, but would make some money, but do at khe expense of individuals who are out in khe community, unemployed, looking for jobs and won't be able to get a job with these for-profit companies that Will prefer to hire someone at minimum wage or even less possibly, rather than employ someone in the community, they will go to these programs for their employees. think it's unfair. I think it's going to force more people, I'm sorry to say, to commit erimes maybe to get into jail so that they can get a job. urge an Aye Ksic> vote.

Eurther discusskon? Senator Schaffer.

I strongly suspect that if somebody felt that strong about getting a job, to get a job without going that far. I would respectfully suggest I think this is a good idea. doubt seriously that it Would have the politieal possibility of being implemented in the areas from whieh several Senators have just spoken. But I think in some parts of the Statey could be a very valuable tool. We have some pretty heavy mandates we put on the countiesw on jails. We have, in the last few years, shifted a lot of responsibility that we formerly had in our prisons to the county jails. And some of the counties wish to come up with creative programs, I think this is a valuable step in the riqht direction. There's no question in my mind that in Senator Hall's area or Senator de1 Valle's area that the political realities are tbat the program probably wouldn't be used. I can also envision another situation with a nonviolent eriainal wherey quite possibly  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24, 1991 unless there ds something in the bill I don't see, a person could, in effect, go back to the job they had, be employed while they're serving their term in an area they currently wouldn't qualify for work release, pay for part of their incarceration and have a job when they get out. I don't see anything wrong With that. This would allow them, perhaps, to help support their families. think this is an eminently reasonable, humane, decent idea. and I'm sorry if perhaps sdme of our union friends feel threatened, because I don lt think that's the intent of the bill.

A11 right. We have nine additional persons Who wish to address this matter. Senator Brookins.

Thank you. Just a feW remarks because I did see the movie Cool-Hand Luke, and I can remember that this is one way that we can get free labor and labor at low cost, or no cost in some instance. ïesy I ean imagine that there are certain areas in the State of lllinois, if we had this program in effect, that they would say, d'Heyy wedre running a little short on Workers.'' So what they would do is just go up and bring in more workers, meaning more inmates. Would give incentive for people to get more inmates so that we can fill the quota of the number of workers that we dll need. This is a bad, bad idea. It was alluded to that there would be people that Would do -- commit crimes so that they could get incarcerated so that they could get jobs. And you also have said and made a comment that, no, you don't think nobody would do this. I can assure you that this happens in the City of Chicaga and other big towns in the wintertime; that to :et a place to stay and stay warm, there are guys that conmit petty crimes just to go into jail so that they'd have three meals and a cot. And if you don't think that, ask Dudycz, as his experience on the police force -- in the Wintertime there Where mass arrests so that 54  STATE OP ILLINOIS 87th CENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legkslative Day May 24, 1991 they would have what is called tbree meals and a cot. Xes, people would commit crimes for a job, because there are people out there just tbat desperate. And it we proeeed with cutting that General Assistance Fund, we're going to more and more and more people committing crimes just to 9et the three meals and a cot. guarantee you that.

Further disûussion? Further discuszion? Senator Mattland, to close.

Well, thank you very much, Mr. President and Members of the Senate. Senator Brookins, youdre probably not going to use this bill anyway. I mean, it probably isn't even going to affeet you. If it's going to bother you a11 that much: I'm eonvinced won't even be used there. And, Senator Schaffer, thank you very much for making part of the argument for my elosing. It's absolutely right. An individual goes to the county jail for a period of three weeks, a month, for whatever minor crime - has a job and probably would lose that job after that period of time. This gives them the option, with a 1ot of conditions, to maintain that job and come back to society as a productive citizen. This is not a mandate. Not a mandate at all. Loss of jobs - baloney. That's ridiculous. In most cases they're going to be doing menial jobs that none of the rest of you will do anyway. But they Will be qetting something for it. Senator de1 Valle, surprised. really am. The point that you made abouE those indlviduals a11 are all in strictly voluntary work public sector work. That's khat they're doing. This broadens it a little bit. This makes more citizens productive. I think this is a good bill, a good concept, and I solicit your support. PRESIDENT ROCEI Question isy shall Senate Bill 1426 pass. Those in favor, 55  STATE 0F ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legkslatkve Day May 24, 1991 vote Aye. Opposed, vote Nay. The voting's open. Al1 vcted who wish? Have a11 voted who Wish? Have al1 voted Who wish? Have a11 voted who wish? Take the record. 0n that question, there are 31 Ayes, 23 Nays: 1 voting Present. Senate Bill 1426, having received the required constitutional majority, is declared passed. Senator Brookinse for what purpose do you artse?

Can we verify have a verification of that roll eall?

That request is always in order. A11 right. Senator Brookins has requested a verification. Will tHe Members please be in kheir seats. Madam Seeretary, please read the affirmative vote.

Tbe following Members voked in the affirmative: Barkhausen, Butler, Daley, DdArco, Davidsone DeAngelis, Donahue, Dudycz, Ralph Dunn, Etheredgee Fawelle Friedland, Geo-Karis, Jones , J.E. Joyce, Rarpiely Xeats, Lechowicz: Macdonald, Madigany Mahar, Maitlandg Newhouse: Pbillp, Raicaw Rigney, Schaffer, Schuneman: Topinka, Watson and Weaver.

Senator Brookins, you queskion the presence of any Member?

Watson.

Senator Watson is in the back of the Chamber.

Senator Keats.

Senator Xeats. Senator Eeats on the Floor? Strike his name.

Senator Newhouse.

56  STATE 0F ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLX REGULAR SESSTON SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislatlve Day May 24, 1991 Senator Newhouse on the Floor? Senator Newhouse on the Floor? Strike his name.

Jeremiah Joyce. That's enough. That's enough.

A1l rkght. Senator Keats is rejoining us.

Jeremiah Joyce.

Senator Joyce on the Floor? He's in his seat.

The other Joyce.

Not recorded.

Howard Carroll.

Senator Carroll on the Floor? Senator Carroll voted in the negative.

Jones. Emil Jones. Emil Jones' not on the Floor.

Senator Jones is always at my right hand. Right.

Senator D'Arco.

Senator D 'Arco on the Floor? Senator DlArco on the Floor? There he is.

All righè. The roll has been verified. 0n that questionw there are 30 hyes, 23 Nays, voting Present. Senate Bëtk 1426, baving received the required constitutional majority, is declared  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislatkve Day May 24, 1991 passed. 1435. Senator Marovitz. Read thê bill, please.

Senate Bill 1435. (Secretary reads title of bill) 3rd Reading of the bill.

Senator Marovitz.

Thank you very much, Mr. President, Members of the Senate. Senate Bill 1435 requires health care facilities to allow persons who have visitation rights to visit a hospital patient. It exempts facilities whieh don't allow any patients to receive visitors and exempts a facility when a patient's physician determines that the visitor may endanger the physical health or Well-being of the patient. I would ask for an Aye vote.

Discussion? Any discussion? If not, tbe question is, shall Senate Bill 1435 pass. Those in favor, vote Aye. Opposed, vote Nay. The votlng's open. Al1 voted who wish? Have a1l voted whc wish? Have a11 voted who Wish? Take the record. On that question, there are 54 Ayes, no Nays, none voting Present. Senate Bill 1435, having received the required constitutional majority, is declared passed. 1437. Senator Welch. Read the bill, Madam Seeretary, please.

Senate Bill 1437. (Secretary reads title of bill) 3rd Reading of the bill.

Senator Weleh.

Mr. President, this ts a vehicle bill designed solely to 58  STATE OF TLLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY RECULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24, 1991 change the Responsible Property Transfer Act to make it easier to sell real estate in the State of Illinois. Welre going to work on it in the House. I would urqe an Aye vote.

Discussion? Discussion? If not, the question shall Senate Bill :437 pass. Those in favor, vote Aye. Opposed, vote Nay. The voting is open. All voted who wish? Have a11 voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Take the reeord. 0n that question, there are 53 Ayes, no Nays, none voting Present. Senate Bill 1437, having received the required conseitutional majority, is declared passed. 1440. Senator Dunn. Read the bill, Madam Secretary, please.

Senate Bill 1440. (Secretary reads title of bill) 3rd Readin: of tbe bill.

Senator Dunn.

Thank you, Mr. President. This is the bill that Will cause a reduction in the education purposes extension With a corresponding increase in the income tax. It would phase out the education purposes permissive rate by ninety percent for elementary, high school and unit districts over a ten-year period. The rate reduction applies only to residential property taxpayers. The income tax rate for individuals would rtse from three pereen: and the corporate rate would go from 4.8 to six. The income tax rates are within the eight-to-five ratio as required by the Constitution. To provide the relief, the following tax property deductions from income tax Would apply: on adjusted gross income from zero to eighty-nine thousand it would be three hundred and fifty percent; and over ninety thousand would be two hundred 59  STATE 0F ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSTON SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legkslative Day May 24: 1991 percent. This would allow the income tax surcharge for Local Government Distributive Fund to sunset as eurrently scheduled on June 30th of 1991. This does not cbange the Local Government Distributive Fund Formula. It does require school districts to use the replacement dollars for educational purposes. It does not include referendum rates and applies only to the permissive rate. It does not change the School Aid Formula, but is a dollar-for-dollar replacement. ït does provlde for monthly distribution to school districts. Senator DeAngelis and I will be happy to answer any questions.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR D'ARCO) Senator Eelly.

Thank you, Mr. Presldent. I have a couple questions of Lhe Sponsor.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR D'ARCO) He '11 -- he indicates he'll yield? SENATOR HELLY; Senator Dunn, does this legislation bave a built-in eap? And if so , is there any level - five percent - or anything? Is thêre any cap involved in this legislation?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR D'ARCO) Senator Dunn

No, there's no cap involved in this, and it does not prevent local school distrfcts from conductlng referendums.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR D'ARCO) Senator Kelly.

Okay. So it doesn't have a cap built into it, then what would keep a school distriet from imposing their maximum tax levy and also receiving a significant transfer of State ineome tax 60  STATE 0F ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24, 1991 revenues as Well? PRESIDING OPFICER) (SENATOR D'ARCO) Senator Dunn.

That would be permitted only up to the permissive rate, Senator.

PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR D'ARCO) Senator Kelly.

Okay. For instancer an example ofg like a hundred-thousand-dollar family income and the property taxes that they own <sic> is like three thousand dollars a year -- that they pay on their property taxes this year. What Would happen, like: in ten years? What Would this family look at in property taxes in the year 20017 You mentioned ninety pereent. What -- what would be in 2001 ror property taxes?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR D'ARCO) Senator Dunn.

Thank you. That would be three hundred dollars, Senator. There would be a ninety percent reduction over the ten years to three hundred dollars.

PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR D'ARCO) A1l right. Senator Kelly .

Well, one final question, and khen I want ko make a couple of brief comments. But what about a senior citizen who's livinq on fixed income? We hear from them most frequently and I guNss my heart goes out to them the mostz because they -- they don't have an income eoming in. Theydre living on Social Security in many instances. What advantages is this legislation to them?

PRESIDING OEFICER: (SENATOR D'ARCO)  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislatlve Day May 24, 1991 Senator Dunn.

Senatcr Kelly, because seniors are living on fixed income, which is often eomprised of Social Security of fifteen hundrêd dollars a month and a very, very small pension, this would be a direct and distinct advantage to seniors beeause of the level of income they have. They would be paying less in support af educatian, and this bill would shift that burden from their high real estate taxes to an ineome tax increase. And the individuals the more you earn, the more youdre going to pay in that substitution.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR D'ARCO) A1l right. Senator Kelly.

Yes, I -- I do see a weakness in the legislation that lt does nothing to equalize the funding formula, and it appears to me that the rieb districts would still be poor and the poor districts would still be poor will be rich and poor for the poor districts. By the year 2001, I can't see -- it seems to me that a rich district With a commercial base would still have a b:: advantaqe over a poor distrlct, and am concerned, while certainly compliment Senator Dunn for bringinq this legislatâon forward, I think this proposal should have been deliberated in committees. I haven't had an opportunity to hear anything from anyone on this issue - the Taxpayers' Federation, the schools representy the edueators. I really wish we could have this before We vote on the billy but I suppose we're not going to get that spportunity.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DIARCO) A11 right. Senator J.E. Joyce.

62  STATE 0F ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24, 1991 A inquiry of the Chair, Mr. President. Could you tell me how many lights are on right now? PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR D'ARCO) There's four. SENATOR J.E. JOYCE: would move the previous question. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR D'ARCO) Well, fine. Good idea. All right. Let's hear from the other lights, and then we'll have Senator Dunn elose. Senator Jacobs. SENATOR JACOBS: 1'11 make my remarks brief: Mr. President. I think that we really don 't have much qoing for us and our current system isn't qetting us anywhere. I think this bill has a 1ot of problems. don't think there 's a 1ot of doubt about that, but it's the only shoW in town. And I think it's one that We should continue look at. think we should pass this bill out of here so that we ean continue to allow this bill to work, to make the changes that need to be made. As an example, the -- even ehe effective date is too quiek. But there's a lot of things that think tbis bill has merit on, and we should continue eo dlscuss it. PRESIDING OFFICERI (SENATOR D'ARCO) Al1 right. Senator Holmberg. SENATOR HOLNBERG: Thank you, Mr. President. I have a question for the sponsor. Senator Dunn, you know, one of the things that I think many of us are concerned about is tbe fact Ebat Illinols Eends Eo be what we eall a eyclical State because there's so much manufacturing and our residents don't work durinq a recesslon, money does not come in in the way of income tax. How would you foresee this plan working in, say, a year like the 1982 recession? PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR D'ARCO) All right. Senator Dunn. 1.  STATE OP ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24, 1991 SENATOR T. DDNN; Very leqitimate question, Senator. But Eeonomic and Fiscal has told us in ehe Revenue Department that we average approximately a four hundred million dollar ok new revenue each year and, yes, there are cyclical periods, but I belleve it would balance out. don't -- I don't foresee a problem when we do it over ten years. I Would sayy yeE, if ue made the switeh in one year, we eouldn't we might not be capable of addressing a situation like that. But when we do it over ten years, think we 've got an averaqe and something we can work with. an unusual situation arisesy we have a ten-year span to fine tune it a little bit.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR D'ARCO) Al1 right. Senator -- a1l right. Senator Rigney.

Well, Mr. President, I think Wedre on the krail of something here, somethin: that perhaps could be a good idea, and I imagine before anyone closes around here, we 're qoin: to say let's keep it alive and we'll work on it in the House and so forth. From some of the comments that I've heard coming from the House, franklyy don't think want to trust this piece of legislation to our friends in the Illinois House. First of all, my first comment is that think the sponsors of this have been extremely timid in their approach. If you talk to the taxpayers out there, they're ready to pay a hiqher income tax and get some property tax relief. Instead, what we have proposed here is a little nibble effect. We '1l spend ten years raising the income tax by percent and, in that same period of time, we will, you know, have just a slight reduction every year in the property tax. Frankly, I don't think that's going to end up satisfying anyone. In faet, I think it so timid that it'll be cast aside and no one will ever notice that they recekved any relief from Secondly, I point out to you 64  i STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLX REGULAR sEssloN I SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24, 1991 that under this concept: everyone is going to pay. There's an increase on the individuals. There's an increase on the corporations. But the Way it's structured, only the homeowners will get any particular benefit from it. There Will be nothing in there for any farmers who are paying some rather high taxes. There w111 be nothing in there for any type of a loeal businessman, for any corporation - theyfre not going to receive anything from this. It seems to me if wedre goinq to ask all these folks to pay, this thing should be structured in such a Way that there would be some universal tax relief. It Wcutd have been very simple just to hake simply gone ahead and reduce the loeal level for everyone. In fact: you coukd use the same amount of money, and where the proponents of thys legislation will provide us about a dollar and sixty-ftve cents off of our tax rates ten years from now . A one penny increase in the income tax eould have been used to give everyone about a dollar and fifty-two cents of overall tax relief. And, frankly, I think that would have been a mueh better approach. For those reasons, I will not be in support of the legislation. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR D'ARCO) A1l right. Senator Dunn has yielded his time to close to Senator DeAngelis. Part of it? You want -- a1l right. Senator Dunn. Senator DeAngelis. SENATOR DeANGELIS: Thank you: Mr. President. In the course of conducting our legislaElve affairs, there are only a few occasions in eacb Session, and sometimes not at all, in which we :et the opportunity to redirect public policy. And let mez for a minute -- I would like really for the Body to listen this. What We're attempting to do here is something that has been discussed in every Session since I've been down here. In fact, bills have been introdueed every Session and no bill has ever hit the Ploor on this issue. 65  STATE OP ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT I 33rd Legislative Day May 24, 1991 To my recollection: this is the first time and only time that a bill of this sort has hit. The bill is not perfect. What the bill essentially does - it starts to move on a gradual basis , because when you pre dealing in an arena in which eight bilkion dollars a year are being spent, Senator Rigney, you cannot do it al1 in one day. This bill is a start in that particular direction. And I might like to talk for just one minute why this is a redirection of public policy. For those of you whotve studied and followed property taxes: you will know that the property tax was the first tax ever instituted in the United States. In faet, it Was instituted before we even had a Constitution. It was under the Articles of Confederation. And the purpose of that was that it was to put a tax upon people who owned property because people Who owned property had means. But you know what? You tell my seventy-ntne-year-old mother, who lives on Social Security, that she has means when she gets a twenty-one-hundred-dollar a year property tax for a four rcom house. ïou tell my young kids Who just got out of college that they really have means when they try to buy a house. The fact of the matter is, two things have happened. One, because of the greatness of our country, many more people own property than owned it when the property tax was first instituted. But, secondly and most importantly, the property tax when instituted at that time -- at that time, did not carry the burdens it carries today; because, if youlll recall, we did not have public education; we did not have the mosquëto abatement; we did not have Cook County Hospital. We didn't have any of those. So we took a tax that was desiqned to be imposed on people of means, put it on people who don't have means and then enlarged the tax. The purpose of this bill is to start the process ln chanqing that. You know, when Gorbachev decided to democratize Russia, the first comment he made - and we ought to pay attention to thisr beeause it's really 66 = > STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th CEHERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATB TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24g 1991 ironic that the communist countries are going one way - we're going the opposite way. He said, ''The first act is we must 1et people own property.'' We must let people oWn property. In America what wefre doing is the opposlte. In facty between 1987 and 1988 and 1989 is the first time in American history when the percentage of home ownership declined. This bill is not perfect. But I Want to tell you it is the first chance we had have in this General Assembly to get into the arena a discussion on the shifting, Where we, in fact, fulfill our responsibilities of being the primary supplkers of money for edueation. This bill needs to be worked on. I Would concede that. 3ut I have to tell you, and somebody else saidy it's the only real show in town. Thank you very much. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR D'ARCO) All right. Senator Dunnz to close. SENATOR T. DUNN : Thank you, Mr. President, just briefly. Tbis is an opportunity, I think, to perpetuate the American dream and I think everyone knows that our seniors are being yanked out of their homes because of the high residential taxes. They 're paying forty to fifty percent of thelr (ncome to stay in their home. We're dealing with an archaic system. It's time to make the shift. When you go home this Weekend, and you talk to your constituents at your parades and your picnics, you tell them you voted for this bill and theylll tell you you did the right thing. PRESTDING OFFICER: (SENATOR D'ARCO) A11 right. The question shall Senate Bill 1440 pass. Those in favor, vote Aye. Opposed, Nay. The voting is open. Have a1l voted who Wished? Have a11 voted who wished? Have all voted who wished? Have all voted who Wished? Have all vated who wished? Take the record. On that question, there are 21 Ayes, 32 Nays, voting Present. And Senate Bi11 1440, having failed to 67 = N STATE OP ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legiskative Da# May 24, 1991 receive the constitutional majority, is hereby deelared lost. Senator Dunn, you -- Postponed Consideration, Madam Secretary. 1454. Senator Luft. Read the bill# Madam Secretary. SECRETARY HAWKER: Senate B11l 1454. (Secretary reads title of bill) 3rd Reading of the bill. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR D'ARCO) Senator Luft. SENATOR LUFT: Thank you: Mr. President. The b1ll Was introduced at the request of the Illinois Tax Increment Association, better known as TIF. It's a semi-shell bill; semi being that there has been negotiations with the Department of Revenue . They are are ongoing. will tell you what they 're trying to do . They pre trying to use TIF to encourage reuse of major plants after theydve been closedp recyeling vacant industrial buildings, and maybe the most important - is improve the ability of TIF to eliminate significant environmental contamination. I would ask that this bill be moved forward to the House, and hopefully it will come back in a posture tbat we can a11 support at a later date . PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR D'ARCO) Al1 right. Any discussion? The question is, shall Senate Bill 1454 pass. Those in favor, vote Aye. Opposed, Nay . The voting is open. Have al1 voted Who Wish? Have a11 voted who wish? Have all voted who Wish? Take the record. On that question, there are 55 Ayes, 1 Nay, none voting Present. And Senate Bill 1454, bavlng received the required constitutional majority, is hereby declared passed. 1457. Senator Smith. A11 right. Senator Marovitz, wefre going to skip 1459 and move to 1461. Senator Marovitz. 1461. SECRETARY HAWKER: 68  STATE 0F ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legkslative Day May 24# 1991 Senate Bill 1461. (Secretary reads tktle of bill) 3rd Reading of the bkll.

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR D'ARCO) A1l right. Senator Marovitz.

Thank you very much, Mr. President and Members of the Senate. This is another one of those bills in the anticrime package offered by Mayor Daley and Superintendent Leroy MartLa: Statefs Attorney Jack O'Malley and a host of groups throughout the State of Illinois. This is a very reasonable bill. Itds a rational approach. Want to make it very elear that under no circumstances am I saying that the passage of this bill - probably or any other bill - is a panacea and is qoinq to solve the crime problem. No one's going to say that. But it is going to be a piece of the pie. The use of assault Weapons in national crime has increased from about none in 1986 to over ten-percent of al1 criminal gun use in 1989, and in 1990 it's qone up even Curther. The feeling about this issue and about the whole gun question has ahanged in America. I think the Brady Bi11 and the vote on the srady Bill ts sufficient evidence of that, where so many people changed their vote who had previously been in opposition, and switched their vote in support of the Brady Bill in Washington. This is a reasonable approach. We've talked to the superintendent of police in Chicago, who has to live With this problem day in and day out, and says that his forces -- h1s law enforcemen: forces are out-armed by the gangbangers and the drug dealers thrcughout the City of Chicago, the County of Cook and the State of Illinois. He ought to know. Over twenty thousand illegak weapons were seized last year in the City of Chkeago. Thks year he says kt's going to be twenty-five thousand, many of those semiautomatic assault weapons. And people Will say, ''We11, they're 69  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24, 1991 semiautomatie weapons. They dre not assault weapons-'' have a tape khich will show you how very easily those semiautomatie assault weapons can be converted to assault weapons. We've had this bill before. I don't want to go into a very lengthy debate. 1'11 be happy to answer questions, but it is a bill that's -- that has been supported by Lieutenant Governor Kustra, Secretary State Ryan, Pat Quinn, Dawn Netsch, Roland Burris, the Illinois League of Women Voters, the Illinois Parent Teachers ' Assoeiation, the American Assoeiation of Pediatric Physicians, APSCME, the ALF-CIO, the Illinois Federation of Teachers, the Chicago Teachers' Union, the Illinois Association of Chiefs of Police, the Federation of Police, the Illinois Edueation Association and, most important of all, the majority of citizens across the State of Illinois, wbo you might not hear from because they're not as well financed and they don't have phone bank operations and mail service organizations like the NRA. But theylre out there tremendous, tremendous numbers, and the overwhelming polls have shown that seventy-five to eighty percent of the people feel that semiautomatie assault Weapons have no plaee in our society. want to make it very clear that I think people have *he righ: to have guns in their homes to defend themselves and defend their families. And I'm not going to sponsor any legislation that would prevent that right. But semiautomatic assault weapons were not anticipated by the framers of the Constitution. Muskets were the order of the day. Ladies and Gentlemen, this is a reasonable, rational approach. I've asked for suggestions. Welve puE them all in here. If people have weapons that -- that would fall under this category, they can plug the cartridges. If you have the weapon, Ladies and Gentlemen, the weapon itself is not a violation. It's only when it's combined With a magazine or cartridge of exeessive capaciey. Please, Ladies and Gentlemen, let's take a rational approach to khat's happening on our streets;  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLX REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24, 1991 not banning guns, not abridging peoplels constitutional rights, not preventing them from defending their families or their homes, but getting semiautomatic assault weapons off the streets and then stopping there.

PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR D'ARCO) All right. Senator Brookins.

Thank you. Mr. President. Would the sponsor yield?

PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR D'ARCO) Indicates hedll yield.

Yes. Senator, it's my understanding that in eompetition shooting that they most likely bave magazines that carry more than the ten or fifteen rounds which this bill would designate. Is there some way we eould do somethinq that if theydre in competition, maybe with the -- With the range, guard or khe ranger there, that we eould 1et them: as long as theylre on a range with proper facilities ean We do something in that area?

PRESIDING OPPICER: (SENATOR D'ARCO) Senator Marovitz.

Yes, Senator Brookins, we certainly ean, and I'd be willing to work With you and the NRA to do that, beeause it's not my intention, for sure, to ban legitimate competition in the State of Illinols, under any circumstances.

PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR D'KRCO) Al1 right. Senator Watson. Senator Brookins.

It is also my understanding that when the cache of weapons in Chicago were seized by the police department, that they could nat charge them with anyehing but the possession of weapons, et cetera. This bill would give tbem an opportunity to cbarge 71  STATE 0P ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGOLAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24, 1991 them with a stronger penalty because of possession of those Weapons. Am I correct?

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR D'ARCO) Senator Marovitz.

That's absolutely correet, Senator Brookins. These weapons hundreds and hundreds were taken in just one raid, and there Were only misdemeanor charqes on the books to be able to hit these people with. If this bill passed, we gll be able to get these individuals with a felony charge. PRESIDING OFPICER; (SENATOR D'ARCO) All rigbt. Senator Brookins.

Thank you. %ith that, Withdraw my objections to this bill. Thank you.

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR D'ARCO) All right. Senator Watson.

Well, thank you, Mr. President. appreciate the sponsor's wkllkngness to work with those of us who oppose this legislation, but I think righk now webve got a bill before us that is different than what he's possibly proposing. 1 think we have to vote on the basis of this particular legislation We have in front of us. And the Senator himself, when he explains the legislationv makes a good point of Why we should vote No, and it's simply one of definition. I mean, how do you deflne what is a semlautomatic weapon and an automatic weapon? Simply by the clip? And when you do that, you end up making a possible felon out of those people who are just competitive shooters. mean, these are people that are honest, law-abiding folks who live in a1l of our districts, who are going to be in violation of some State law now, if we pass thls blll. mean, Chieago has the toughest 9un 72  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24, 1991 control laws on the -- that can be passed by a local municipality, and they still have a problem. And I don't know that this is going to solve A1l this is going to do is probably create more of a problem for those people Who are law-abiding, honest citizens who Want to do What's right. And I just think that a proper vote an this is No.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR D'ARCO) All riqht. Senator Geo-Karis.

Brieflyy Mr. President and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. Welve had enough of our fills of :un bills. Cbicago has such a tough gun law: as Senator Watson said - you ean't even register a gun there and yet the law-abiding citizens can't proteet themselves. And I I just do not see the sense of it. NeW York bas a tough :un bîll. The most crimes are committed in NeW York and Chicago. With such tough gun bills. I think we're goinq too far. I speak against it.

PRESIDING OFEICER: (SENATOR DIARPO) All right. Senator -- Senator Newhouse.

Thank you, Mr. President. I have an inquiry. was just struck by something a moment ago: and that is this automatic weaponry in competitive shooting. wonder somebody eould explain that to me. I don't --

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR D'ARCO) Al1 right. Senator Marovitz, you can explain that -- on closing, he can explain it, think. senator Davidson.

Question of the sponsor.

PRESIDTNG OFFICER: (SENATOR DIARCO) He indicates he'll yield.

STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24, 1991 Senator Marovitz, did I hear you say a while ago that you supported the rigbt of a1l the homeowners in Chicago to have a gun in their house?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR D'ARCO) Senator Marovitz.

What you heard me say was not what you just said, but what you heard me say Was I think thae individuals have the rkght to have a gun in their home to defend themselves and their family. And I am not going to sponsor any legislation that would take the right of someone away to own a gun to defend themselves or their families.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR D'ARCO) Senator Davidson.

Then you're willing to sponsor or co-sponsor leglsla*ion that uould do away with the Chicago loeal ordinance that prohibits most people in the City of Chicago of ownin: a gun or keeping a gun in their house for protection?

PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR D'ARCO) Senator Marovitz.

Senator Davidson, the last time lookedy wasn't an alderman. Thank God for tbat. Thatls up to the eity couneil. I 'm here to pass laws for the State of Illinois, and that's what I'm trying to do.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DIARCO) All right. Senator Davtdson.

Well, 1et me speak to two things. Plrst and foremost, Senator Maroviez, I know you're not an alderman. I know you're a State Senator. also know that we have the right, by a three-fifehs majority, to override any local ordinanee of any home rule 74  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24, 1991 community. So if you really feel that they have this right, then expect to see you with a bill in -- spansored by you - and probably co-sponsored by a 1ot of us that would allow that homeowner to do that. The other question I have of you is, seeing by the analysis: twenty-two rim -- rim fire rifles are exemp: from this. And the last time I looked, there wasn't any of the hideous crimes that Were committed ln Chicago were committed witb a long gun that was above a twenty-two caliber. Other words, a1l the murders or assault that was done was done with a twenty-two rifle. You haven't accompltshed a thing to reach the so-called crimes in Chicago dealt With -- with a long gun. Fact is, of statistics I saw from the FBI, in '89 there wasn't any eommitted by a twenty-two rifle or any long gun. I think '88 or '87 was the last time, and every murder that had been committed had been committed from a twenty-two rifle. This is not a good pieee of legislation. urse al1 of you to vote -- No.

PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR D'ARCO) A11 right. Senator del Valle. SENATOR dEL VALLE: Thank you, Mr. President. Senator Davidson: hope that you've taken a look at the murder rate in the City of Chicago and in the State of Illinois. It continues to rise. It continues to rise quickly. We have communities Where people are living in fear. My ten-year-old son had to go back to the store with his mother a third time yesterday because each time that they came home, we found out that they had purchased athletie shoes that had the wrong colors on them, and so we sent them back to make sure that the ehances of he walking down the street and being shot are minimized. And I say minimized because that ehanee is always there and increasing every month in the City of Chicago. And not only in the City of Chicaqo, but in cities like Aurora and Joliet, and I'm sorry for mentioning those cities. We have legislators 75  STATE OP ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Leglslatlve Day May 24: 1991 here who represent tbose cities. But the murder rate is gcing up everywhere. And the weapons that are being used are becoming more and more sophisticated. Automatic weapons are Weapons sought out by gang members and violent criminals across the entire State of Illinois. That is not going to ehange. That is going to get worser and time thak this Legislative Body sent the clear message to everyone out tbere that we are qoinq to take the kind of action that's going to allow for our streets to beeome safer for our children.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR D'ARCO) A1l right. Senator Jones.

Thank you, Mr. President, Members of the Senate. I rise in strong support of Senate Bill 1461, and it's very regretful that the sponsor had to compromise on this legislation. He spoke about sportsmen and competition with assault weapons. Now in our society in the year 1991, I don 't know of any sportsmen who are using assault weapons for competltion. The only competition that exists is the competieion betWeen the gangs that's going to intimidate young people into joining qangs. Hardly a day passes that you don't read the newspaper, some younq, innocent citizen who has been shot with a gun. And the raids -- a11 our law enforcement are for getting these weapons out of tbe hands of people. Tbe funeral homes, Senator Brookins, are lined up every day with young people who die from being shot With guns. In the - - in the projects in the City of Chieago, they did a raid, and the NRA had the audaeity - the audacity to oppose them getting those guns out of there. Some people :ot a conflict of interest. I know. But it is a disgrace. Would like to see the State Poliee come out stronger for more gun control. Do we have to wait till on one lonely southern road one night some individual with an assault weapon wipe out some law enforeement people, then we'll 76  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Leglslative Day May 24' 1991 all rush in here and say let's pass leqislatlon? Too many young, black men are dying from -- from bein: shot wlth guns. And there is no comprumise on this issue. No compromise. If you talk about constitutional rights - well, constitutional rights also demand a responsibility. And at the time that was written, that was written at a time When our society Was few and sparse and people needed guns. But don 't tell me and tell this Body and tell the eleven million people of this State that you need assault weapons to protect yourself. No. Assault Weapons are designed to kill, intimidatez and that's what they are there for. And Senator Marovitzy it's not competition. The only eompetition is between those individuals who want to control and intimidake. It's a disqraee. really reqret that you have to compromise to get a bill of this nature passede but this bill should sail of here, but should be much stronger.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR D'ARCO) A1l rigbt. WICS requeGts permission to videotape. Any -- if not -- if no objection, leave is granted. Senator Lechowicz.

Mr. President, I move the previous question.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR D'ARCO) Well, that was very timely, because there are no more speakers. Well, Senator Weaver wants to speak. Let's hear from Senator Weaver.

Thank you -- thank youe Mr. Presldent. I'm just going to remind the Senate we have sixty-four more bills on the Calendar. We're running about ten bills an hour. So you know how lonq we're goinq ko be here.

PRESIDING OPPICER: (SENATOR D'ARCO) Well, we have one more speaker. Senator Joyce wants to speak.

STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legkslative Day May 24, 1991 Yes, tbank you: Mr. President. 1911 be brief. I spoke about this issue last year. I think it is reasonable. It is something that we ouqht to do. Qhere are a11 kinds of reasons kby people need guns, and I'm not saying that they don't. happen to live on a farm. I used to be involved in raising a 1ot of livestock. had a lot of sheep and there was reason to have a gun because sheep would get killed by dogs. And I shot a 1ot of dogs with various weapons. have several different quns at my home right now. don 't have an assault weapon, however. have semiautomatic rifles; a two twenty-two, a two forty-three, a seven millimeter magnum. However, don't recall ever shooting an animal or anything else that -- on the fifteenth shot, or the tenth sbot, or the fifth shot or the third shot. Barry Goldwater said, ''If you can't shoot them on the first shot, you don't -- you should not even have the gun: because thatfs the only time you 're going to shoot them.'' So you don't need all of these things. Talk about your eompetition. National matches are created by an Act of ehe U.S. Congress. Well then, let the U.S. Congress create an Act ehat they can have ten shots in the magazine rather than twenty, or thirty, or however many they think. And as far as defending your homey if you're concerned about someone breaking into your home, there's no more better defensive weapon in the world than a twelve-gauge shotgun. And youdre not qoing to kill some kid across the street if you make a mistake in there. So a11 of this nonsense about the clips and magazines and so forth, you -- the gun -- any kind of gun you want you can have. A1l thls says is you can't have more than slx shots in a shotgun, ten shots in a semiautomatic, or fifteen shots in a pistol. Seems very: very reasonable to me. Ifd certainly support this.

PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR D'ARCO) All right. Senator Marovitz, eo close.

78  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGOLAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24# 1991 I'd just make one last comment. I've bad a 1ot of bills in the eigbteen years that I've been here, and I never had as many eolleagues come up to me and say to me, '1Billy, you have the right idea. I'm With you. It's the very best thing. knoW you're rigbt, but I'm afraid of the NRA .'' I would ask those colleagues who know that it's the right thing to do and that this is -- this is a reasonable, rational bill, to stand upy like George Ryan did, and support this legislation.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR D'ARCO) A11 riqht. The question is# shall Senate Bill 1461 pass. Those in favorz vote Aye. Opposed, Nay. The voting is open. Have all voted Who wished? Have a1l voted who Wished? Have a11 voted who wished? Have all voted Who wished? Take the record. On that question, there are 26 Ayes: 28 Nays, 2 voting Present: and Senate Bitl 1461, having failed to receive the required eonstitutional majorityg is hereby declared lost. Senator Marovitzy do you Want leave to return to 14592 Hearing no objection. leave is sranted. Senate Bill 1459. Senator Marovitz.

Senate Bill 1459. lsecretary reads title of bill) 3rd Reading of the bill. PRESIDING OFFICER; (SENATOR D'ARCO) Senator Marovitz.

Thank you very much, Mr. Presidenk and Members of the Senate. Senate Bill 1459 is a bill which creates a hotline for gun dealers to pick up and call the State Police before they sell a weapon. When you qo to tbe store to buy a -- oh# some cologne or perfume and you use your American Express, you Visa, your Mastercard, they eheck your card to see if it's validy if it's been charged up to the max, lf it's been revoked or suspended. But if somebody goes 79  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24# 1991 to -- to buy a gun, there's no way for the :un dealer to check and see if that FOID card is still valid other than to see if the effective date is still there. And this would just set up a system so that people can piek up the phone and eall the State Police and see if the FOID card is still valid. It also sets up tbe crime of gun trafficking. Knowingly transferring a firearm without the recipient showing a FOID card becomes a Class 4 felony. Unlawfully transferring two to five firearms Within three year: is a nonprobationable Class l felony; and five or more commits a nonprobationable Class X felony. It would required applicants -- we increased the POID card from five dollars to ten dollars. When the FOID card Was instituted in 1967, the charge was five dollars. It's never been increased sinee 1967. It's qood for three years. Itds never been increased. So what we 're doinq is welre increasing the FOID card fee from five to ten dollars and people go to the State Police, any State poliee officer or the Secretary of State's Office and apply for the FOID card. When you go for a driver's license, you have to go to the Secretary of State's facility. In the past, When wedve had the voter's registration, you've had to go down and register to vote downtown. Well' what happens today is you just fill out a FOID card application, mail it in and there's a 1ot of aliases and false information. This would say youbve got to go to the Secretary of State's Office or the State Police and fill out the information there. And I'd be happy to answer any questions.

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR D'ARCO) All right. Any diseussion? Senator Brookins.

Thank you. Senator Marovitz, my problem here is that I know that they're in certain parts of the State of Illinois and other area, walked in and asked for a FOID card' I automatically would be rejected just because of the nature of who I am and the 80  STATE 0P ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24, 1991 color I am an6 et eetera. What could we do about that?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR D'ARCO) Senator Marovitz.

When somebody gces to apply for the eard, the individual -- wherever they apply, those aren't the people who qrant the -- the card. They just process the application and Gend it down to Springfield to the State Police down here. Those are the ones who grant the EOID .card. And frankly, I have never been given any information that there's been any discrimination in khe lssuance of FOID card as lonq as the information checks out on the application. So whether they go to the Secretary of State 's Office or khey go to a State Police Office: those people at that office have no authority to grant the issuanee of the FOID card. They just process the stuff and send it down to Springfield.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR D'ARCO) All right. Senator Brookins.

Then why is the purpose of'sendlng them to the Seeretary of Statels Office or the State Police to pick up the application period? Why not mail them or issue them to the folks as they have been issued to them al1 the time? I canît see the purpose of then.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR D'ARCO) Senator Marovitz.

One of the reasons that we put this in, and I'd be willing to talk with you about it, Senator Brookins: because ehis is certainly not the major part of the bill nor the most important part of the bill, is that a lot of people have been supplying false informations on the FOID card application. And it was felt that if you brkng your three pieces of identifieation to the 81  STATE QF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24, 1991 secretary of State's Office or the State Police, there'd be less chance of false information and legitimate people who ought to get the FOID card and really ought to get the FOID card legitimate gun owners will be able to get them, but we 'd able to weed out the felons who may be applying in aliases.

PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR D'ARCO) A1l right. Senator Brookins.

Senator Marovitz, there has been no crime committed with a gun or anything else with a person that has been issued a FOTD card. Whoever has the FOID card is not the ones that we 're trying to get at. We're not getting at the legitimate citizens or the people that's going to present their eard and go and eventually wait the thirty days and purchase a gun. These are not the people that are going to commit a crime. The people that are going to commit the crime are people that do not have FOID cards, have not -- have got the gun some other type of way, illegitimately and committed a crime. I know for a fact that if certain individuals walked into a police stations and Secretary of State's offices in this town and said that they wanted an application, they would be denied that applications for ever so many reasons. This has a history of that, and I cannot support this bill With that. Now, 1'11 be willing to work with you if you want to remove that portion of the bill when it get to the house, et cetera. I can go along with it, and I think that every other person in this Senate could go along with it -- with that in mind. But I know for a fact that today walked into certain areas in the State of Illinois talkin: about I Wanted a FOID card to buy a gunr Would be denied. And thatds a fact.

PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR D'ARCO) All right. Senator Dudycz.

82  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legkslative Day May 24y 1991 Xes, thank you, Mr. Preskdent. Genator Marovitz, we just passed a few minutes ago, Senate Bill 1424 sponsored by yourself and Senator Raica. Substantivelye how does the -- what's the difference between, you knoW, this bill and the one that we already passed? PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIOJ Senator Marovitz. SENATOR MAROVITZ: 1424 . has nothin: about a hotline whatsoever, so that somebody who is going to buy a gun: the gun dealer would be able to cheek and see if they bave a valid FOID card, just like they would for driverfs licensez somethin: like -- there's nothing like that in 1424: and I'm the hyphenated sponsor of that bill. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Further discussion? Senator Jones. SENATOR JONES: Once again, rise in strong support of this bill. And would think former law enforcement officers and those persons who are cgncerned with lives should be in strong support of this bill. And my good colleaguey Senator Brookins, many, many persons are dying as a result -- or even persons who own FOID cards, in a heat of passion they -- they 're able to get a gun right quick and shoot someone. That's Where a lot of these domestic violence take place. There is nothing Wrong with having time to check to make sure. Again: the bill does not go far enough, and I don 't know how many citizens in my community and yours and many others khat have shot a person who was attempting to rob them. Usually. works the other way around. Again, too many young black Americans, especially young black males, are dying as a result of handguns. And anything that Will curtail the availability or use of such weapons should be used again, but don't have *he conflict of interest. 83 h  STATE OP ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33:d Legislative Day May 24, 1991

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) All right. Further discussion? not: Senator Marovitz may elose.

Well, basically, the major pares of thls are a gun trafficking crime for people wbo transfer guns illegally to people and the setting up of a hotline so that we'11 know, when people are getting guns, if theyfve robbed a bank the night before or they lve been involved in a cocaine deal the night before. That's the major part of this b1l1. Iîm not trying to inconvenience anybody by going anyplace else to get the card. The most important thlng is that we have a hotline so that we can get guns to people Who -- who don't have records and that we can stop the gun traffickers in the State of Illinois.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Question is, shall Senate Bill 1459 pass. Those in favor Will vote Aye. Those opposed, Nay. The voting is open. Have a11 voted wha wish? Have all voted who wish? Have vated who wish? Have al1 voted who wish? Take the record . On that question, the Ayes are 22, the Nays are 31, 1 voting Present. Senaee Bill 1459, havin: failed to receive the required constitutional majority, is declared lost. 1462. Senatcr Marovitz. On the Order of Senate Bills 3rd Readlng, Senate Bill 1462: Madam Secretary.

Senate Bil1 1462. (Secretary reads title of bill) 3rd Reading of the bill.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Marovitz.

Thank you very muchy Mr. President. 1462 would ltmkt an 84  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24# 1991 individual's right to have a gun if he has been charged with a forcible felony and is released on bond. It would prohibit him from possessing a firearm if he's been charged with a forcible felony. Itfs pretty simple, straightforward b111 .

PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Is there discussion? If noty the question is, shall Senate Bill 1462 pass. Those in favor Will vote Aye. Those opposed will vote No. The voting is open. Have a1l voted who wish? Have a1l voted who wlsh? Have all voted who Wish? Have all voted who wish? Have a11 voted who Wish? Take the record. 0n that question, the Ayes are 32, the Nays are l9, l voting Present. Senate Bill 1462, having received the required constitutional majority, is declared passed. 1465. Senator Dunn. On the Order of Senate Bills 3rd Reading is Senate Bill 1465, Madam Secretary.

Senate Bill 1465. (Secrekary reads eitle of b11l) 3rd Readin: of the bill.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Dunn.

Thank you, Mr. President. Exempt from regulation by the Seeretary of State are short-term securities that mature within nine months. We had an individual up in our area who trafficked in those notes and created a pyramid scheme, and cost people twenty-nine million dollars in savinqs because stated the brochure that was publicly distributed was the statement that these securities were regulated by the Department of Financial Institutions of the State of Illinois. Elderly people relied on that and as a result' there was a substantial loss of twenty-nine million dollars. Now understand that there are institutional buyers of these notes and also understand there are wire 85  STATE OF ILLIHOIS 87th GEHERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24, 1991 transfers of these notes. We're not directing our focus towards them , and willing to work with creating an exemption from them. What this merely does is to place on the face of these documents the statement that this instrument is neither guaranteed nor is its issuance thereof regulated by any ageney of the Department of State of Illinois or the United States. But I'm willing to work with those wire transfers and institutional investors.

Is there discussion? If not, the questlon 1s, shall Senate Bill 1465 pass. Those in favor will vote Aye. Those opposed, Nay. The voting is open. Have a1l voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have a11 voted who wish? Take the record . On that questiony the Ayes are 56, the Nays are none, none voting Present. Senate Bill 1465, having received the required constitutional majority, is declared passed. 1467. On the Order of Senate Bills 3rd Readin: is Senate Bill 1-4-6-7: Madam Secretary.

Senate Bill 1467. (Seeretary reads title of bill) 3rd Reading of the bill.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Dunn.

Thank you, Mr. President. This creates *he Telephone solicitation Act and allows telephone users to be placed on a list where that they may not receive telephone calls. They pay a fee of ten dollars initially and a five-dollar a year renewal. There are permitted calls to those indivlduals on that list and the calls are as follows: in response to an express request by the individual; made in connection to an existing agreement khich has 86  STATE 0F ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24, 1991 not been completed; thtrdly, to a person with an existing relationship with the solicitor or by a newspaper in connection with 1ts business. This bill, I think, is one that's time has come. We have a11 been botbered at tbe wrong times by people solieiting us for sales. A11 this merely says is, ''I do not wish to be called at the dinner hour. I do not wish to be called at 8:30 at night. Call someone Who is not on this list- '' That's all it says.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMDZIO) Is there discussion? Senator Karpiel.

Well, thank you, Mr. President. This bill went out of committee, I believe, the Executive Committee -- or Energy -- Energy and Environment, for heaven sakes. At any rate but it was -- at that time we weren't aware that the -- this would cover Realtors. And I understand the Realtors are very -- now very concerned about the bill since they are placed in it, and this would be very -- make it diffieult for ehem eo do what is called farming, or you know, just going 'around-'trying to engender business. So they dre very concerned about this - of a penalty up to ten thousand dollars for calling someone that they shouldn't call. And theyfre also afraid that it could keep sales peeple from operating in certain neighborhaods, and -- and then they would be in violation of other State and Federal Statutes. So at this point: think that maybe We ought to take a closer look at this, and I would ask for a No voEe.

PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Further discussion? Senator Topinka.

Well, Mr. President and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate and to the sponsor, and just tell me if 1'm wrong - because (t has been noted to me by some of my real estate boards that there is  STATE 0F ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLX REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24, 1991 kndeed a fine that could be upwards of ten thousand dollars for one of these calls. Is that true?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Dunn.

Could be up to ten thousand dollars, if there was a violation of the law. as a civil penalty: just like there coutd be a ftne on a1l criminal fines there is a maximum and a minimum. It's no different than any other penalty, and if there are repeated violations of the law, then that's what someone ought to be fined to be deterred if they eontinue to violate the law.

PRESIDTNG OFFTCER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Topinka.

Well, I guess I think maybe Ehat might be a little excessive for a phone call other than: you know, what probably is an obseene phone call where maybe we might Want to look in that direction. But they also present a question that I would like an answer from you. Could this not, as it is written, be used in'such a way not only to keep Realtors from being able to do their jobs, but also to encouraqe neighborhood groups to organize in such a way as to be able to prevent calls from coming in, business to be condueted in terms of real estate, thus keeping, quote ''undeskreables''# end of quote, out of the neighborhood?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Dunn.

Nothinq would prevent anyone from getting on this list. But to suggest, think, that -- that people are going to be conspired not to be called on the telephone, I think is reaching a little bit. I think that if it doesn't prevent the mailman from cominq up to your door and depositing junk mail along these lines 88  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GEHERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24, 1991 had my way, 1'd bar junk mail too. It also doesnft prevent an individual from walking up to your door and knocking and I think the Realtor argument is really not a qenuine. I had a discussion with the Realtors, and they really couldn't give me a good reascn. It was a very nebulous thing that they -- they talked about, and I have a 1ot of friends that are Realtors and I'm forty-eight years of age and I don't ever remember ever having a Realtor call me and asking me to either buy my home or if I was interested in buying a home. And I think most Leqislators have had the same experience. People don't dial up and say, î'Is your home for saler'' or Hwould you like to buy a homey'' if you already have an existing home. PRESIDING OFFICERI (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Further discussion? Senator Schuneman.

Thank you, Mr. President. I had a eouple of questions of the sponsor. Senator, as you Were describing the bill, I got the impression that if this bill passed: the nuisance calls to my home might end . But I suspect that that's really not the case . Does your bill address -- or require phone companies to remove names ' from the lists that they sell to these companies that -- from Which the phone -- or the solicitors are getting the numbers? Will my name -- if I -- if I sign one of these forms, will my name be removed from the list that the phone company sells?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Dunn.

you 're on the list and tbey call you in violation, they have committed a violation.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Schuneman.

Well, Senator, that wasndt the question I asked you. What 89  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24, 1991 asked you was -- well: you heard my question. Do you have an answer to the question? The phone companies sell a list cf names and phone numbers. And from that ltst the soltcitors Work -- from that list the solicitors work and make their phone calls. Now, if this bkll passes, ks there soae way that my name can be removed from that list that's sold?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Dunn.

cannot control What the telephone company does with your name. But I can control what the Secretary of State does. And if you pay your fee to the Secretary of Gtate, you then appear on the list. The sale of the list is not a violation. The telephoning of you at your home at the dinner table would be the violation. So if somebody sells the list, that is not a, per se, violation. It's the phone call to your home. And What the phone company does With your list, have no more control over that than I do the telephone book or you do.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Schuneman.

So the answer is no' my name -- my name would not be removed from the list that they sell. Then is there another list prepared that has my name on it that says I'm one of those people they cannot call? Is that how *he bill Works?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Dunn.

Well, then my -- Well, okay, go ahead and answer.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) I'm sorry. Senator Dunn.

90  STATE OP ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSTON SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24# 1991 Yes. and it's quite successful in Florida.

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator schuneman.

Senator: I'm not really opposed to your bill. Okay? Because I'd like to see like to see these nuisance calls eliminated, but I also do not want to have local people subjected to ten thousand dollar fines Who may violate this law in a perfectly innocent way. I think of local people who use the telephone for solicieation all tbe time, and they 're not workin: from these lists that are sold to national companies. I thknk oE, for example -- what about surveys? What about doing a survey your eleetion campaign? Is that exempted?

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) All right. Senator -- Senator Dunn.

A survey is not a sale, Senator.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMOZIO) Senator -- further discussion? Senator Alexander.

Thank you, Mr. President. To Senator Dunn, I'd like to go a little further With the line that Senator Schuneman was going. We 're all going to be running in the fall somewhere for some office, I presume, and if T put in a telephone bank to solicit the voters of my district to vote for me or my people tell them my qualifieations, am not sellinq myself to them and solicltinq them to vote for me? How would I be affeeted?

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR DEMOZIO) Senator Dunn.

I Would never suggest the Lady Would be selllng herself, and you would -- you would -- you Would not -- you Would not come 91  STATE OP ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24, 1991 under the definition of a sale, Senator. PRESIDING OFFICERI (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Alexander.

But would not my constituents Who are running my phone bank be trying to tell the people about me and to tell them that I am the best -- it's not a matter of buying something for monies comin: in, but I would be -- being presented, would I not be?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Dunn.

No, Senator. Under the lanquaqe of the bill, it speeifically makes reference to solicitin; a sale of any consumer good or service. You are neither.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) A1l right. Further discusslon? Senator Jones.

Thank you, Mr. Presldent. Will the sponsor yield? Senator Dunnrvwho wants this bill? Where does it come from? .

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Dunn.

was my idea: Senator.

Senator Jones.

Well, know you have many bright ideas, Senator, but let me ask this question. Can this -- can an orsanized qroup use this bill to go out and -- on scare taetics and sayz ''Hey, maybe your name should be on here. This Way you Will not -- will not be aolieited by a telephone.'' And that concerns me very much, and -- because especially in the area of real estate and also the 92  STATE OP ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24y 1991 I strong penalty that ks imposed in that area .But it concerns me where this bill actually originated from. You follow me? And you said it was your idea. Maybe your intent was good, but the net effect of this intent can be detrimental to a 1ot of people. And rather than have the bill die fast, maybe -- you want to hold the bill and work on it and see --

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Dunn.

I'm -- be happy to Work in the House if you have some amendments, but I really don 't think the net effect of this is any different than the person who pays a fee to be removed from the telephone book and then this gives the additional protection that the person Will commit a violation if he calls that person. So it's really no different in the issue that you raise about removing your name. People can conspire to remove their name from the telephone book and how would you know their number unless you used an automatic dialing machine? PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) -- ' Senator Jones.

Well, if this bill becomes law, I can guarantee you what will happen. You will have certain groups going out in respective communities telling persons, ''Have your name placed on here; this way you will not be bothered with XïZ.'' And that intent would be different than your intent. And that is what makes the bill bad as far as I'm coneerned and should be defeated.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Further discussion? If not, Senator Thomas Dunn may close.

Thank you. I think this is an opportunity to -- if people feel that the amount of money for the violation is excessive, I'm 93  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th CENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24y 1991 happy to work in the House to reduce that to a level that I'm sure we can easily agree to, because the only intent of the fine aspect of is to serve as a deterrent. This is an opportunity to preserve the privacy of the telephone in the home and to prevent these people from really calling people. I urge an Aye vote.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMOZIO) Question is, shall Senate Bill 1467 pass. Those in favor will vote Aye. Those opposed, Nay. The voting is open. Have a11 voted Who wish? Have a11 voted Who Wish? Have a11 voted Who wish? Take the record. On that question, the Ayes are l4, the Nays are 30, 5 voting Present. Senate Bill :467, having failed to receive the required constitutional majority vote, is declared lost. Senator Topinka, for what purpose do you rlse?

Yes, Mr. President, a point of personal privilege. In the in the President's Gallery, I do have my legislative assistant from my District Office, Diane Brod from Downer's Grove, who has recently become a United States citizen, having been born Canada; her mother, Bertha Baker, Who hopefully will become a citizen soon as she gets her paperwork done; their -- her daughter, Fhaunna and her friend from St. Louis, Jean Baker. We could a1k Welcome them to Springfield.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) If our guests the galkery wikl please rise - be Welcomed to Springfield. END OF TAPE TAPE

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) 94  I i ! STATE 0F ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Leqislative Day May 24, 1991 If you will turn noW to Page 3 on your Calendar. Page 3. We 'll start at the beginning. Last run. I hope this is the last run. Senate Bill 10. Madam Secretary.

Senate Bill (Secretary reads title of bill) 3rd Reading of the bill.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Berman.

Thank you, Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. Senate Bill 10 ls a shell bill. It has nothing substantive in it. We had discussed perhaps putting in one of several plans dealing with the one man/one vote question raised by the Supreme Court. That question has not been resolved by the various groups involved in Chicago. So we are passing this bill out merely as a vehicle bill. encourage, on behalf of all of the leqislators, that the people back Chicago try to reach a concensus so that we can respond to their opinions. Solicik'your Aye vote.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Question is, shall Senate Bill 10 pass. Those in favor will vote Aye. Those opposed, Nay. The voting is open. Have a1l voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have a11 voted who wish? Take the record. On that question, the Ayes are 5l# the Nays are none, none voting Present. Senate Bill 10, having received the requlred constytutkonal majoriky, is deelared passed. Senator O 'Daniel, for what purpose do you arise?

Mr. President, Members of the Senate, on a point of personal privilege.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) State your point. 95  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSTON SENATE TRRNSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24# 1991

In the Presidenb%s Gallery on tbe Democrat side is along wlth my Wife, is a group from the Wayne County area, Tonya Loker and her -- her School of Dance. These young people have performed toqether for some five years and will be performin: in the rotunda immediately after their introduction. They're accompanied with Tonya Lokery their instructor; Missy Rainwater, who is in charge of my district offîce at Mt. Vernon; her daughter, Nina, and all of them and also Trina Creeden, one of the assistants. So help me welcome these young people to the State Senate.

PRESIDING UFFICER: (SEKATOR DEMUZIO) If our guests in the gallery ki11 please rise. Welcome. Senator Jones. I'm sorry. Senator O'Daniel.

Mr. President, they will be competing tomorrow in competition at the Statewide regency talent eompetition at the Prairie Capitol Convention Center and Ehey hope to go on to there -- to the national competition in July. Thank you.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Jonesp for what purpose do your arise?

Xeah. Thank you, Mr. President. On the same order of personal privilege. We have the eighth grade students along with their teaehers and chaperone from the Brenan Elementary School : Chicago Public Schools in the City of Chicago, and -- as -- it's appropriate that they be here at this time, Senator Berman, because we were dealing with issues that's qoing to deal with sebool reform. So let's give a warm welcome to the Brenan Elementary School students. PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIOJ If our guests will please rise . Welcome. Welcome. A1l right. Senaee Bl11 l1, Mr. Seeretary, please. 96 ' I STATE 0F ILLINOIS . 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLX p REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT ! 1 l aard Leqiszative Day May 24, 1991 ACTING SECRETARX: (MR. HARRY) Senate Bi11 1l. (Secretary reads title of bill) 3rd Reading of the bill. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Berman. SENATOR BERMAN: Thank you, Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. Senator Jonesz I'n very glad that we have these students from your district in the -- in the balcony. Those are elementary school students, but one of the provisions in this bill that's very important to them, among others, but speelfically to them, is to allow them when they get to high school and they run for membership on the local school couneil in their high school, to have the right to vote on that local school couneil. So I hope l that they're listening very carefully. This bill includesa l numberofitems thathavebeenbroughtto the attention of the legislature to expand Chicago School Reform. I Won't go through each 'of tbe items. Let me just mention, in addition to student voting, We address the question of nonaetive LSC members. We address the question of timing of the provision for cpen enrollment. There have been tWo amendments adopted. One by ( j senator delvalle,regarding aBilingualAdvisoryCommittee. And l another by SenatorKarpielstatinq thattheprineipal shallbe in charqe of his or her school. Be glad to respond to any questions, and I want to underline that this is a startin: point so that there is somethinq in legislation between now and the end of this session. We invite more input from the people concerned about chicago Reform. Be glad to respond to any questions. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Discussion? senator Karpiel. SENATOR KARPIEL: 97 I j ' STATE OF ILLINOIS I 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLX REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Leqislative Day May 24, 1991 Thank you, Mr. President. I rise in support of Senate Bill l1. As Senator Berman said, it incorporates a great many chanqes or expansions of the Chicago School Reform that were requested by various groups, particularly the local sehool couneils themselves, and this is the bill that we fought long and hard far the other day -- the amendment on the principals having control of the sehool is on Senate Bill l1, and I would ask for an Aye vote. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Question is, sball Senate Bill 11 pass. Those in favor will vote Aye. Those opposed, Nay. The voting is open. Have a11 vated who wish? Have a11 voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Take the record. On tbat question, the Ayes are 53r the Nays are none, none voting Present. Senate Bill l1, having received the required constitutional majority, is declared passed. Senate Bill l3. 22. Senator Brookins. Senator del Valle, for what purpose do you arise? SENATOR dEL VALLE: Thank you, Mr. President. I'd like leave of the Body to be recorded as an Aye vote on Senate Bill 10, please. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) A11 right. The electronic marvel Will so indieate. Senate Bill 22, Mr. Secretary. Read the bill, please. ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HARRY) Senate Bill 22. (Secretary reads title of bill) 3rd Reading of the bill. PRESIDINC OPPICER: (GENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Brookins. 6ENATOR BROOKINS: Thank you, Mr. President. Senate Bill 22 requires persons riding a motorcycle, a motor driven eycle and every passenger wear a helmet when riding. NoW We bring this bill again, as have 98  STATE OF ILLINOTS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLX REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legkslatkve Day May 24, 1991 brougbt it in the past, beeause: number one, we want to save lïves. During a five-year period from '85 to '89 there was thirty-seven thousand three hundred and two motorcyele crashes. And eiqhty-nine -- and eight hundred and thirty-nlne deaths, plus twenty-nine thousand five hundred and fifteen injuries. Let me say to you, Ladies and Gentlemen, not only if you wear your helmet will you save some lives, but think that one of tbe most important things that I seem to have noticed, to the people ehat object to thisz that if we pass this bill: or When we pass thks bill, we will not only save lives, but We wl11 certainly save the State large amounts of money. We have argued this issue over and over and over again, and I merely ask that we give an Aye vote to this important legislation.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Discussion? Senator Woodyard. SENATOR %OODYARD: Thank you, Mr. President and Members of the Senate. Senator Brookins, would like to read a couple of Sections from *he Tllinois Vehicle Code and then have you ' respond to a question. The first passage is from the Child Passenger Protection Act and it reads, ''In no event shall a parent's or guardian's failure to secure a child under six years of age an approved child restraint system, or properly secure such ehild in an approved system, constitute contributory negligeneey'' and now the important part, Senator Brookins - 'for be admissible as evidence in the trial of any civil action. f' The next -- Secklon ls from the seat belt law, and reads, ''Failure to wear a seat safety belt in vtolation of this Section shall not limit the liabillty of an insurer, and shall not diminish any recovery for damages arising out of the ownership, maintenance or operation of a motor vehiclep'' And the question I put to youk Are anything -- or any provision similar to those in your bill? 99  STA'E OF ILLINOIS 87th GENZRAL ASSEMBLY REOULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 331: Legkslatkve Day May 24. 1991

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Brookins.

No.

PRESIDING OPPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Woodyard.

Welly then, Senator Brookins, I -- I will tell you thak the trial lawyers are going to have a field day if your bill were to pass. The other question I would pose to you: If this bill becomes law, and a person qets caught not wearing a helmet: would it be a moving violation?

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Brookins.

Yes.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENKTOR DEMUZIO) Senator Woodyard.

Then in -- in other words, if a quy has tWo tickets and he gets stopped for this violation, he loses his driver's lieense. Right?

PRESIDING OFPICZR: (SENATOR DEMDZIO) Senator Brookins. SENATOR BROORINSI Yes. Thatfs wha: Says.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Woodyard.

Well, that sounds like a pretty stiff penalty for something like that. Wel1, also Wish to eomment on the -- on the medical testimony and -- and so on that seems to be very l00  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEM3LY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33:d Legislatize Day May 24, 1991 ineonclusive on this bill. Quite frankly, the evidenee that wearing a motorcycle helmet in some way increases the safetyy reduees fatalities and injuries, I think, is quite qrroneous. As a matter of fact, within tbe past Week, USA Today had a -- a very interesting article. And it was -- I would just comment to you that the State of Arkansas, Florida, Hawaii, New Hampshire, Nevada, South Carolina -- these states and a11 of then that have mandatory helmet laws have a much greater death rate, fatality rate per ten thousand moiorcyclists than do the staees, including Illinois: that do not have a helmet lak. So thus, that medieal evldence is -- ls totally inconsistent witb what has been bandied about on this bill. In other Wordsr Ladies and Gentlemen: as you certainly can tellg I oppose this bill. I ask for a No vote on it, and hope that we can keep ie in this Cbamber.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMDZIO) Further discussion? Senator Brookins may close.

Thank you: Mr. -- PRESIDINC OFPICER) (SENATOR DEMUZIO) 0h. I'm sorry . Senator Watson. Senator Watson, for what purpose do you arise?

I had my lighe on.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Well, Senator Watsonr you had it on, you took it off.

And I've got it on now. PRESIDING OFFICEZJ (SENATOR DEMUZIO) asked there were any further discussion. There Was no light on at the time. Senator Watson.

Thank you, Mr. President. Well, rise in opposition l0l  STATE 0F ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24# 1991 this legislation also. This is our annual bill that We have before us dealing with mandatory helmets, and in committee the first vote that was taken was a 7 to 7 to l vote, and the bill was held in committee. And then the next week it came back and the sponsor moved it out by a one-vote plurality on an illegal motion Ehat was made, which we had on tape and the motion was imprcper, and unfortunately now we have this before us. It should have stayed in committee, by a1l practical purposes. But the problem with this - and I don't know hoW many of you ever put on a motorcycle helmet but if you put on a helmet you -- you have trouble seeinq. You 've got tunnel vision. You have trouble hearing. There 's a lot of problems that could ultimately defeat the purpose in whlch he's askingg and Ehatls to hopefully save the life of motorcyclists. But when you have a helmet on, there are some vision problems and hearing problems. And the cost of the helmet - don't know if you've priced those here lately, but the cost of the helmet is practically prohibitive to a certain element of our society. So I thihk the proper vote is No. and I encourage al1 the Members to vote No.

PRESIDINC OFPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Further discussion? Further discussion? Further discussion? There's no other lights? Senator Cullertone you may close.

Thank you' Mr. President, Members of the Senate. We continue to hear these myths that people just literally make up, eoncerning the use of helmets. There's two issues. The first issue ls whether or not a helmet works, and then secondly, whether we should mandate it. Witb regard to whether or not it works. The normal human eye has a peripheral vision of two hundred degrees in Width. The Department of Transportation regulations with regard to helmets, is two hundred and ten degrees. There's no impairment of peripheral vision because of belmets. With regard to hearing, l02  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24, 1991 the motorcycle engines themselves are eiqhty-five to ninety-five decibels. The helmet reduces the sound of a car's horn to the same exten: tbat it reduces the -- the sound of the engine, and as a result there's no impairment of -- of hearing when it comes to Wearing a helmet. NoW people have said, ''We don't need helmets, *e need more training.'' The fact of the matter is, that about two-thirds of a11 of the accidents that involve motorcyelists are - - is eaused by the negligence of a driver of a motor vehicle, not the motorcyclist. So a11 the training in the world does not help that motorcyclist. And then they talk about these these statistics about -- there's no difference whether the laW passed or not. Tt's just not true. Head injuries, which is what is prevented by the motorcycle helmet -- tbe head injury deaths are twiee as high in states Without the 1aW than in states with the law. In fact, the American Motorcyclists' Association says we ought to have -- people ought to wear helmets. But they do say they do say that they're against having the states mandate it. So why should we mandate it? You know, to say that the eost of a helmet is too high -- the eost of the helmet is too high, so we shouldn't pass the law. The eost is borne by taxpayers. About two-thirds of the people that :et seriously injured by a motorcycle accident end up going on public aid. Seventeen million dollars in Illinois -- seventeen milllon dollars in 1988 for aeute health care was spent to for people who wete injured by motorcycle accidents. And millions more in long-term care and rehabilîtation expenses. And that's -- that's just the cost in dollars. What about tbe cost in human life? People have said that they can't vote for this because they :ot a lot of calls from ABATE and they got a lot of letters and they committed themselves to those people in their district. Maybe this time around you have to say you can't vote for it, but if this doesn't pass and it comes up agaln, next year I would suggest that when you get those 103  STATE 0F ILLINOIS 8?th GENZRAL ASSEMBL: REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33:d Legislative Day May 24y 1991 letters, you tell tbem, $'I'm going to hold off on eommitting against this bill. I want to listen to the statisties and want eo listen to the facts.'' You know, we got a call we got calls in our office. Everybody :ot calls from people who said they were aqainst the motorcyele helmet law. got a call - my secretary recorded this guy's name - from an Arthur Ksic> (Martin) Koefoed, a member of ABATE, from Springfield, Illinois. That was in the laBt week of April. A Week before the vote. May 3rd, State Journal-Register, Obituary paqe, Arthur <sie> (Martin) Koefoed, Who was not wearing a helmet, was struck by a ear on North Grand Avenue, and the driver of the car was eited for failure to yield. Typical case where it's not the motorcyclist's fault. This guy was lobbying against the bill and noW he's dead. This bill is not just about saving lives. It's about saving money: and that's what we ouqht to be doing. I'd ask for an Aye vote.

PRESIDING OPPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Question is: shall Senate Bill 22 pass. Those in favor Will vote Aye. Those opposed, Nay. The voting is open. Have a11 voted who wish? Have al1 voted kho Wish? Have a1l voted who wish? Have all voeed who wish? Take the record. On that question,the Ayes are 23, the Nays are 33. Senate Bill 22, having failed to receive the required constitutional majority, is declared lost. On the Order of Senate 9i11s 3rd Reading is Senate Bill 37, Mr. Secretary.

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HARRY) Senate Bill (Secretary reads title of bill) 3td Reading of the b)l1.

PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENAIQR DERZZIO) Senator Dunn.

Thank you, Mr. President. This is the bikl that we diseussed l04  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24, 1991 the other day that provides a hundred dollars to each veteran. defines the term of ''veteransz'' and makes numerous -- numerous changes throughout a11 the Statutes dealing with veterans. This bill is -- is also the yesult of a meeting with CIVIL, which was the Commkttee on Iltinols Veterans Involved in Legislatkon comprised of the Veterans' Proteetive League, AMVETS, VFW, Disabled American Veterans, Military Order of The Purple Heart, and the Illinois Association of Pounty Veterans' Assistance Commissions and the Department of Veteran Affairs. A1l those people were on board at that meeting - with the changes that we have made. I urge an Aye vote. PRESIDING OFFICERJ (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Discussion? Senator Schaffer.

I think I'm very much in support of the bill: but agaln, for the recordy after the committee meetin: I kind of had the feeling that some of the veterans' groups Were still a trifle not on board. We are noW -- the veterans' groups are all on boardr wefre a11 copacetic?

PRESIDING OEFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Dunn.

Yes. I me* with each -- each of those groups that were at the committee meeting. We sat down and we ironed out the problems. PRESIDING OFFICER) (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Further discussion? Question is. shall Senate Bi11 37 pass. Those in favor wkll vote Aye. Those opposedy Nay. The veting is open. Have a1l voted Who wish? Have al1 voted who wish? Have voted Who wish? Take the record. On that question, Ayes are 57, the Nays are none, none voting Present. Senate Bill 37, havtn: reeeived the required constikutional majority, is declared passed. 72. Page 4, at the top. 116. Senator Dunn. On the l05  STATE 0F ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLX REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24# 1991 Order of Senate Bills 3rd Reading is Senate Bill 1-1-6, Mr. Secreeary.

ACTING SECRETARX: (MR. HARRY) Senate Bill 116. (Secretary reads title of bill) 3rd Reading of the bill.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Dunn.

SENATOR DUNN: Thank you, Mr. President. This addresses the issue of the dairy and the bakery eontainers that wind up being stolen and this makes that a Class B misdemeanor with no jail time and only a monetary fine of one hundred and flfty dollars up to five hundred dollars for the seeond offense.

PRESIDING QFPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Discussion? If not, the question is, shall Senate Bill 116 pass. Those in favor will vote Aye. Those opposed, Nay. The voting is open. Have a11 voted who wish? Have a11 voted Who wish? Have al1 voted who wisb? Take *he record. On that question, the Ayes are 57r tbe Nays are none, none voting Present. Senate Bill 116: having received the required constitutional majority, is declared passed. Senate Bills 3rd Readin: is Senate Bi11 130, Mr. Secretary.

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HARRY) Senate Bill 130. (Secretary reads title of bill) 3rd Reading of the bill.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Woodyard.

Thank thank you, Mr. President, Members of Ehe Senate. The amendment that we put on b0th of these bills, 130 and 132, were l06  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLX REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day Ma# 24# 1991 actually had become the bill. And khat it does is increase the number of children that would be authorized in a Mroup day care home, in this case in Senate Bl11 130: from twelve to sixteen. And the Department and the day care providers are in agreement as to how to work out the grids on the aqe groupin:s; although, 1 don't knop what that is at this time. They lneend eo do that by rule. So this bill and l32 are the two bills that are worked out with the Department of Child and Pamily Service and the day care providers, and there is agreement with them on that.

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SCNATOR DEMUZIO) A11 right. Dlscussion? Senator Collins.

Yes, Ifm listenlng to -- to the agreement, but it's kind of diffiault for me to understand Department of Children and Family Serviees. the Child Care Association agreeing to eliminatfng age restrictions. That you would lump a1l ehildren together at all ages?

PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Woodyard.

No, Senator, that is totally incorrect. Tbe -- the ase reserlctions and the attendance or the other person in the day care bomes that would have to be added in some casesr that is al1 going to be done by rule. That's my understandinq. Now, have some draft gridss I'd be glad to share that With you, although I don't think the numbers are exactly right in the grids that have. I think there's some typographical errors with that, but Ifd be glad to share those with you - at least the drafks. Thase things will all be done by rule, and that Was this agreement between the providers and the Department of Child and Family Serviees. And know there's been a coneern about the a:e grouping and the safeey, and it's my understanding that the l07  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24, 1991 Department: who eertainly is very tough on the safety portions of thatz have reached an agreement that this is khe way to proceed.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Further discussion? Senator Schaffer. I'm sorry. Senator Collins.

I guess my problem is, al1 that you have in there -- noW you're just raising it to sixteen children withouk addin: any addition -- requirement for additional staff or anything: and that's -- it's at least you're not saying that.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Woodyard.

I'm telling you: Senator Collins, that this is a draft cf ehe grid for a day care home, whieh provides the assistance of certain a9e categories with the number of children within those age categories. That is what is going to be done by rule. The Department and the providers only wanted the language khe increase from twelve to sixteen - in the actual bill itself.

PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Further discussion? Senator Collins. A1l right. Further discussion? Senator Welch.

I had a question of the sponsor. Senator, the bill started to increase the number of individuals could be cared for in a day care home. Are you lncreasing that number still, or are you leaving ik at, I believe it was eight? What is the number now?

PRESIDING OFEICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Woodyard.

This particular bills deals with the group day care home and it would increase from twelve to sixteen. The other b1l1 affects l08  STATE OF ILLINOIS 8?th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33:d Legislative Day May 24e 1991 only day eare homes, and it Would increase from eight to twelve.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Welch.

And that's been agreed to by DCFS?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Woodyard.

Xez.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Further discussion? Senator Donahue.

Well, thank you, Mr. President and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. I rise in strong support of both these bills: or this bill particularly. We have a very serious problem in some of our areas, and this bill is to take care of the float, and those are the kids that are in school and they need to be taken care of like an hour before they go to school and the hour and a half after school when their -- before their parents gets home from Work. think it's an important bill, and we should be supporting it.

PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Further discussion? Senator Woodyard may close.

The only thing I can echo is What I've already told you: that this is an attempt to provide day care for those thousands of children who are coming home to an empty home or are out on the streets, to allow some expansion in the numbers With -- With the provision that they are goin: to be taken care of under as safe as possible conditions. I would urge its passage.

PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Question is, shall Senate Bi1l 130 pass? Those tn favor will vote Aye. Those opposedy Nay. The voting is open. Have a11 109  STATE 0P ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legtslatkve Day May 24, 1991 voted who wish? Have a11 voted Who wish? Have al1 voted who wish? Take the reeord. On that question, the Ayes are 50, the Nays are voting Present. Senate Bill 130, having received the required constitutional majority, is declared passed. On the Order of Senate Bills 3rd Reading is Senate Bill 132, Madam Secretary -- Mr. Secretary.

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HARRY) Senate B1ll 132. (Secretary reads title of bill) 3rd Reading of the bill.

PREGIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Woodyard.

Thank you, Mr. President. This is tbe second, very similar bill as the previous one, only this one applies only to the day care home' and it increases the number of children that may be cared for from eight to twelve. And we do have the draft grids, but I don't think they're totally agreed upon yet. Again, the bill has been agreed upon by the Department and the providers.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Discussion? If not, the question is, shall Senate Bill 132 pass. Those in favor will vote Aye. Those opposed, Nay. The voting is open. Have all voted who Wish? Have all voted who wish? Have a1l voted Who wish? Take the record. 0n that question, the Ayes are 53, the Nays are 1, voting Present. Senate Bi11 132, having recelved the required conseitutional majorityy is declared passed. 143. Senator Rea. 160. Senator Cullerton. On the Order of Senate Bills 3rd Reading is Senate Bill 160: Mr. Secretary.

ACTING SECRETARX: (MR. HARRY) Senate Bill 160. (Secretary reads title of blll) 110  STATE OF IELINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGDLAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIFT 33rd Legislative Day May 24, 1991 3rd Reading of the bill.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Cullerton.

Thank you, Mr. President, Members of the Senate. have to admit to an appearance of a conflict of interest on this bill. will lower the property taxes of homeowners in Dupage county, and my mother is a homeowner out there and the effeet of the bill maybe it'11 lower her b111. In fact, it's definitely going to lower her bill as well as the other people's bills in Dupage County by requiring them to adopt a classification ordinance. When they do this the -- there'll be home taxpayer's relief for homeowners and people that live in apartments buildings and that amount will be picked up by an increase in the property tax assessments of commercial and industrial. Many people have made some comments about how tbis does not work in Cook County where we have classifieation. The fact is, there's no one here that I've seen that has proposed that we introduce a bill to repeal the classification system in Cook County, because to 'do so would be to raise tbe property taxes of people in Cook County from sixteen percent up to thirty-three percent. No one has suggested to do that, because is a good idea to give property tax relief to homeokners. The commercial and industrial people will pass on, of course, the inerease in the property taxes to their customers. The customers are different than taxpayers. Taxpayers who own Ehelr own homes don't have the ehoiee to decide whether or not they want to pay thelr property tax bills and as a resulty they can make the decisions, however, as customers can. So I think it's a -- it's something which is -- time if it has not come yet, it will come soon. And I also Would indicate that even though this might be viewed as meddlin: With Dupage County's tax system, the fact of the matter is, the reason why we even have a Special 1ll  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24# 1991 Session this year is because of the concern about property tax caps. And the reason why we have to worry about that is because the problem is mainly in Dupage County, because of the inerease in :rowth out there. So I think this is the way -- this is really the true way to provide kax relief for homeowners in Dupage County, and I Would urge an Aye vote.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMDZIO) Discussion? Senator Karpiel. SENATOR KARPIEL; Thank you, Mr. President. First of all, I want to say that Senate Bill 160 doesn't necessarily do anythkng. Does not lower property taxes for the Senator's mother, or any other rest of us taxpayers in Dupage County. All it says is, that the Dupaqe County Board has to adopt a property classification system by September 30th, 1991. They ean adopt a properky classification system y which is identical to the one *e are now operating under, which is thirty-three and a third for all property. doesn't necessarily say you have to change to make eommercial and industrial higher. We can and they -- tbe it has to be constitutional, it says. Well, eonstitutional - the constitution says is that, the level of assessment or rate of tax of the higbest class in a eounty shall not exceed two and a half times the level of assessment or rate of the lowest class . So basically, this bill really does -- does -- it does nothing. It's just very frankly another example of the Senator's meddling in a county in which he does not live in, nor does he represene. And for those of you that do not live in Dupage County, but live in the other collar counties that may be attractinq business and industry Crom Cook County, and obviously tbat's wbat he wants to do with this bill is stop the flow into the counties that have lower tax rates for business and industry. Just remember: if he can do it to Dupage, they can do Lake, McHenry, Will and all the ll2  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLX REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Leqislative Day May 24, 1991 others.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Further discussion? Senator Hall.

Will the sponsor yield for a question? Does this just apply to that area? What -- what's the population level that your bill applies to?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Cullerton.

It only applies to Dupage County.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) A1l right. Senatôr Cullerton may close.

Yes. Well, to answer the concerns raised, as far as meddling, as T indicated it Wasn't -- if we didn't have the problem in Dupage County about the rising property tax rates, we wouldn't be having the Special Session -- have to be Worried about tax caps. So I don't think it's meddling in -- any more so than the Governor's meddlin: with us and the rest of the Statee by trying to impose tbese property tax caps. With regard to What the Dupaqe County Doard shall adopt, that's up to them. I meanz you know, the Speaker has a bill over in the House that tells them exactly what percentages they have to ghange the classification syskem to. I thought this would be more reasonable to let them deeide what they can do. NoW we know that about seventy percent of Dupage County 's assessed valuation is multi -- multi-unit apartments and homes. And the rest is commercial and industrial. They can raise theirs to thirty-elqht pereent like we have in Cook County and they can lower the homeowners to thirty percent from thirty-three. They can use equalizers for their townships. Some homeowners will benefit more than others, but every homeowner will 113  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24, 1991 get a reduction. And -- and Ehese bills come out in September, and your election is November. This is a great bill for the people from Dupage, and I'd suspeet -- I suspect that next year real quietly this bill will be sponsored by the people from Dupage and 1111 just sit here, and I won't even say, ''I told you so.'' Let's get some property tax relïef.

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Question is, shall Senate Bil1 160 pass? Those favor will vote Aye. Those opposed, Nay. The votinq is open. Have a11 voted who wish? Have al1 voted who wish? Have a11 voted who wish? Take the record. On that question, the Ayes are 20, the Nays are Senate Bill 160, having fakled to receive the required constitutional majority, is declared lost. 175. On the Order of Senate Bills 3rd Readingy Senate Bill 1-7-5: Mr. Secretary.

ACTING SECRETARX: (MR. HARRY) Senate Bill 175. (Secretary reads title of bill) 3rd Reading of the bill.

PRESTDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMDZIO) Senator Dunn.

Thank you, Mr. President. This is a very technical amendment and is a result of three years of work by the Illinois State Bar Association. This bill renumbers the Illinois Administrative Procedurel Act, divides it into three articles; permits publie hearings with -- to be held by ageneies Within five days; permits the State administrative rules the State agency standards to be incorporated into other State administrative rules; requires aqencies to promulgate rules for eontested case hearings and makes other numerous technical changes.

PRESIDING OEFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) 114  STATE 0F ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Leqislatlve Day May 24, 1991 I Discussion? If not, the question is, shall Senate Bill 175 pass? Those in favor will vote Aye. Those opposed, Nay. The voting is open. Have a11 voted who Wish? Have al1 voted who wish? Have a1l voted who Wish? Take the record. 0n that question, the Ayes are 54, the Nays are none, none voting Present. Senate Bill 175, having received the required constitutional majority, is declared passed. On the Order of Senate Bills 3rd Reading is Senate Bill 1-9-5, Madam -- Mr. Secretary.

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HARRY) Senate Bill 195. (Secretary reads title of bill) 3rd Reading of the bill.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Severns.

Thank youy Mr. President, Members of the Senate. Senate Bill l95 is the bill that emerges from the State Government Organization and Administration Committee hearing on DCCA, and its economic development policy. In essence, I think it's a -- a bill that DCCA can live with and Ke can live Withg and wilk make some of the needed changes that both our hearinqs called for and the recent audits have called for. It outlines a -- a reasonable time frame for DCCA to make some needed in-house changes and it also spells out in more speclfics the kind of perimeters in which we believe it should be focusing. Primarily small- and medium-sized busingsses. A concern was ralsed yesterday by fenakor Davldson - I have since be advised by the Governor's Office, more specifically what that concern is, they want simply one more member on the Pier Rèview Board, I said I have no problem with that and have agreed to have that amendment offered in the House by the House sponsor. I know of no opposition now and would be happy to answer any questions, would urge support for this bill. l15  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33:d Legislative Day May 1991

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Discussion? Senator Friedland.

Thank youp Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. As minority spokesman of this committee, I concur wùth the sponsor's remarks and the administration does have some small difficulties where the legislation is: and she 's agreed to cooperate and work those out in the House. And urge your support for this bill.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Discussion? Further discusslon? Senator Davidson.

Mr. President and Members of the Senate, we had some debate on this late yesterday afternoon. Senator Friedland is minority spokesman in that committee, that's true. I'm also a member of that committee, but more importantly Ifm a member of this legislative Body . When this was enacted We had a equal amount of representation on a bipartisan basis. The amendment, which she put on yesterday, changed that. We now have the legislative leaders appointing six Democrats and four Republicans, while before it's always been equal. Secondly, even with the appointment additional member on the Governor's appointees, you're going to wind up with a tie. If there's a difference between the Governor's appointees and others they appoint.It'11 be a ten ten. And the Director of the Department of DCCA did agree in subsEance *o al1 the part. Did not aqree, is what was given to me, to the makeup of the board. NoW when we adopted thls leqislation originallye and some of us were here and a 1ot of you were not, was the agreement was a bipartisan representation, and I think that's what We ought to need to go back to. Senator Severns has agreed to put the amendment on and put the extra person on for the Governor's Office in the House but she didn't want to change ll6  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legiskative Day May 24, 1991 back ta the bipartisan basis. That's my cbjection to this. The other parts of the bill I'm not, but What Was bipartisan agreed on the original intent of this bill when it Was passed and created That's what T think ke need that obligation to uphold. And I urge everyone to vote No.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Further discussion? If not, Senator Severns may close.

Thank you, Mr. President, Members of the Senate. as stated the -- the Governor's Offïce and DCCA agree with the bill based on the amendment that Will be offered in the House to add one aore member to the board as a gubernatorial appointee. That, in fact, means with the minority appointments and the gubernatorial appointments they would have .fourteen members. The majority leadership in the House and Senate would have six members. think that's more than a fair compromise and I would urge that this bill move forward. Thank you.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Question is, shall Senate Bill 195 pass? Those favor will vote Aye. Those opposed, Nay. The voting is open. Have a1l voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Take the record. On that question, the Ayes are 38, the Nays are l voting Present. Senate Bill 195, having received the required constitutional majority, is declared passed. Senate Bill 200. On the Order of Senate Bills 3rd Readinq, Mr. Secretary. Read *be bill.

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HARRY) Senate Bill 200. (Secretary reads title of bi11) 3rd Reading of the bill.

PRESIDING OFFTCER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Marovitz.  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLZ REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24y 1991

Thank you very much, Mr. President and Members of the Senate. This the last - I'm sure youdre happy to hear - of the -- the gun bills. This bill is aimed at trying to save the lives of some small ehildren. It has passed in Florida, and when it passed Plorida they sold out of trigger-lock mechanisms across the State of Plorida and the gun shop owners said that means that there'll be less loaded guns around for accydents, and fewer children killed or maimed in accidents. That's really a11 this bill is about. We're only concerned about it now when somebody actually gets the gun and accidentàlly shoots somebody. We amended the bill to -- to try and take eare of the problems of seme of the opposition. There's no downside risk with passin: this bill. You know, some say, ''Hol many kids' lives you're gokng to save?'' Well, wonder if you ask the parents of the three kids that were killed on one weekend -- one weekend here accidently, how many kids ' lives you going to save. think youfre qoing to save many kids lives, and more and more people will be educated and notified that they ean't leave loaded guns around where there are small ehildren. Lock them up someplaee. We're not telling you how. Just secure them someplace, and it will save kids' lives.

PRESIDING OFEICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Discussion? Senator Hawklnson.

Thank you: Mr. President. rise in support of this bill. Last year when this came (n front of our committee origlnally, had some serious flaws, one of which was the felony provision. Worked with the NRA on this bill last year: Who indicated they could be al1 right w1th the bill if the felony provisions were removed, and the felony provisions were removed by the sponsor. This year there's been further amendments that I think improved the bill. The penalttes Where no one is hurt have been removed 118  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLX REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24g 1991 from this bill, and there've been defenses and exceptions created at the suggeseion of the NRA -- a couple of exemptions - one where there's an unauthorized entry and usage - to the bill, and the other if the Weapon is used in an act of self defense or in self defense of another. The -- the suggestions of the NRA have been included in this bill, and I -- I think it's a good product.

Eurther discussion? Senator Raica.

Thank you, Mr. President and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. A lot of us on the Senate Floor were given a yellow piece of paper from the Illinois State Rifle Association regarding Senator Marovitz's and Senator Daley's proposal. If can, like to just read a little bit off of it. It says, ''The Illinois State Rifle Association will not eompromise or deal.'' Another paragraph says, ''Is this bill, as amended, as less discriminatory against firearm owners? No, it still singles them out for punishment when many more children die eacb year dus to negligent parents that store flammables, matches, plastic bags and poisons accessible to ehildren, or allow children to swim in unprotected areas or ride bieycles and tricycles unsupervised.'' Goes on to say, ''And if the bill is amended and any more likely -- is it any more likely to protect children?'' Their answer is# ''Any bill that punishes a hospitalized child by removing the comfort cf its parents by sending them to jail or to post bond Will never receive our support.'' The NRA and Senator Marovltz, Senakor Daley and senator Dudycz and myself sat down along -- worked very hard on thls kind of proposal. I guess ie's really safe to assume ehat we can probably never protect our children altogether a11 the time. If my son happens to be playing baseball and gets hurts: because that's out of my control. Or playing football and gets hurts, or happens to be at day care and gets hurt. If theydre going to get l19  STATE 0P ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGDLAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24, 1991 hurt, they're going to get hurt. I spoke to a 1ct of police officers regarding this bill. The fact of the matter is, if that child is in the hospital, like the Illinois State Rifle Association statesy it's because he was shot by a weapon that the parent owned and not by someone who gave him that weapon. Senator Marovitz brought up a point that says this will cut down the amount of children that are shot innocently within the State of Illinois. It will probably not cut down the innocent ehildren that have been victims of illeqal guns, but the fact of the matter is that there are children that are in homes of law-abiding citizens who find a gun, are not aware of the use of that weapon, and either cause harm to themselves or their brother or sister or neighbor. If my child were accideneally shot by one of my weapons and the police department took me away, that might be for the best, because would probably be the only thing to keep me from turning that weapon on myself, if my son or my daughter were injured. This bill deserves an Aye vote: if not for us, at least for the kids that it could prevent from being hurt. Thank you.

Further diseusslon? Senator Davidson.

Mr. President and Members of the Senate, I rise in support of this bill. Thereês a worked out agreement. I want to complimene Senator Marovitz; being cooperative, he worked this out. The NRA is neutral. We have removed the penaltyv the felony charges and also if the weapon is gotten into, as we had happen here in one of the small tpwns where the children broke into the locked :un cabinet and unfortunately one of them did kill the other one, but it's one of those things is not -- and it was not loaded, but they did load i*, and I urge everybody to vote Aye.

Further discussion? Senator Marovitz: to close. l20  STATE OF ILLIHOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24, 1991

I would just solieit your Aye vote. PRESIDENT ROCK; Question is# shalk Senate Bikt 2Q0 pass. Those in favor, vote Aye. Opposed, vote Nayy and the voting is open. Have a11 voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have a11 voted who wish? Take the record. On that question, there are 56 Ayesy no Nays, none voting Present. Senate Bill 200, having reeeived the required constitutional majority, is declared passed. 213. Senator Jones. 214. Senator Cullerton. Read the bill, Mr. Secretary, please.

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HARRY) Senate Bi1l 214. (Secretary reads title of bill) 3rd Readin; of the bill.

Senator Cullerton.

Yes. Thank you, Mr. President and Members of the Senate. This bill effects the Dupage County Airport, and what does is to say that there shall remain nine members, but that Kane County shall have two instead of the one that they have now. And those hwo members will be appointed by the Kane County Board President with the advise and consent of the Kane County Board, rather than, as it is now, appointed by the Dupage County Board President. It does not wàpe out the current board, buE only as vacancies become due, it changes the method by Which the Dupage County Board members would be appointed so that the Dupase County Board Cbairman would make an appointmentz but only with the advise and consent of the county board. Be happy to answer any questions, and move for its adoption. PRESIDENT ROCK;  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24, 1991 Discussion? Senator Karpiel.

Thank you, Mr. President. Question of the sponsor.

Indicates he Will yield, Senator Karpiel.

Senator Cullerton, what would you estimate the number is now of Dupage bills that you have introduced this year?

Senator Cullerton.

Let's see. Probably about three.

Senator Karpiel.

Thank you. In this good bill can you tell me how -- you said the other day when we were putting the amendment on that the vacaneies wculd be filled as they oceur. I kas thinking about that. Are you talking about that they occur when a member of the board comes up for reappointment?

Senator Cullerton.

Yes. When their terms expire or if they were to resign, that'd be a vacancy.

Senator Karpiel.

And did you also say that the very first appointment that is going to be made will be given to a Kane County resident?

Senator Cullerton. 122  STATE 0F ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLX REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24, 1991

Yes. That's correctr because *e are increasing from one to two the number of people Lhat Kane has.

Senator Karpiel. SENATOR KARPIE:: And the Kane County Chairman is to make this appointment with the consent of the Kane County Board?

Senator Cullerton.

That's correct.

Senator Karpiel.

To the bill: since represent the district in whlch the Dupage County Airport Autbority -- the whole airport is located, and it is my district that is impaeted by the airport, I have a very diffieult time on deciding how to vote on this bill. realize that the airport is a signifieant factor in all af Dupage. It doesn't just affect my distriet. It impacts it qreatlyr however, because that's where itls located. The Kane County portion of that authority has always wanted more membership on the board, and so I I feèl that I I would like to support them in trying to qet that membership, but really kind of concerned about this appointment thing, because the first person - - I don't know who the ffrst person is kho comes up for reapportionment, to tell you tbe truth. But what if it's a really good member of the board? What someone who has really been doing a good job, eontributin: a great deal and someone you bate to lose, but noW we have to appoint someone from Kane County and get rid of that person. NoW there are some like to see 123  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 14, 1991 gotten rid of: and I -- frankly I don't know who the first one that's up. really a difficult vote for me, but I guess what I really Want to stand here and say and T've said this privately to Senatar Cullerton, that I really and truly would appreciate that if anyone is going to sponsor bills that deal with my district and my district only, and they don't live in my district or even in the counties concerned, really wish they Would first talk to me; 1et me know what ehey're doing. Seeondlyr I would really Wish they'd just stay out of it.

Further diseussion? jenator Cullerton, to close.

Xes. Mr. President...

I beg your pardon. Senator Brookins. SENATOR BROOKTNS) Thank you. I -- T just kind of take objection -- or exception to Senator Karpiel. Jukt yesterday and day before she sponsored legislation that effected Cook County and Cook County only, and ek cetera. What are'we talking about? Is Dupage County a part of the State of Illinois? I don't think that that's what wefre here about. I think We represent the State of Illinoisy no matter where you live in the State of Illinois, you dre an Illinois Senator and therefore, you represent the State of Illinois.

Well said on a Friday afternoon at one o'elock. Senator Cullerton.

Mr. President, I -- I've seen the maps from my new district khae we're drawing, but I haven't seen the maps that they're drawing. Who knows, I might be representing Dupage County next year. And for that reason, maybe it's appropriate that sponsor 124 i STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24, 1991 this bill. I move for the adoption of the bill. PRESIDENT ROCK: Question is, shall Senate Bill 214 pass. Those in favor, vote Aye. Opposed, vote Nay. The voting is open. Have a11 voted Who wish? Have all voted who Wish? Have a11 voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Take the record. On that question, there are 42 Ayes, 14 Nays, l voting Present. Senate Bill 214, having received the required constitutional majority, is declared passed. 261. Senator Severns. Read the billy please. SECRETARY HAWKER: Senate Bill 261. (Secretary reads title of bill) 3rd Reading of the bill. PRESIDENT ROCK: Senator Severns. SENATOR SEVERNS: Thank you, Mr. President, Members of the Senate. This bill was on the Agreed Bill twice -- Agreed Blll List twice, and it's been pulled off. It is, in fact, the bill that addresses no-bid contracts. It's a bill that I believe the -- the Governor at least has indicated interest in by his quote a feW months ago where he said the interest of taxpayers is not well served by a process that can allow millions of dollars in State business to escape tight scrutiny for both efficiency and propriety. This bill attempts to address that problem by establishing stricter guidelines for no-bid contracts. In essence, it prohibits persons, who have served as an officer or employee in the executive branch, during a two-year period following termination of that service, from being awarded a no-bid eontract for professional or artistic skills totaling ten thousand dollars or more. It establishes certain reporting requirements regarding bid-exempt contracts to the Comptroller. I think it's a 125 i  STATE OP ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLX REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Leqislative Day May 24, 1991 reasonable approach to a need that -- tha: should be addressed. I'd be happy to answer any questions, and would a favorable vote.

Discussion? Senator Schaffer.

T recall - it may have been yesterday or the day before thls same sponsor had a bill having to do with setting up a travel faeility in CMS, and tbere was an amendment placed on that bill thatz believe, the sponsor objeeted to strenuously that exempted the Legislature. Does this bill exempt the Legislature - Members and staff?

Senator Severns.

Unfortunately, it does. I would prefer to have everyone ineluded, but I learned, in part, from the amendment the other day and just experienced in this Legislature that half a loaf is better than none at all.

Senator Schaffer.

Well, as Senator Dirksen used to say, consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds. It's my understanding that an executive branch employee left - for instance, to work for a major downtown law firm as a lobbyist, but obviously, as a junior member of that law firm, would have less than a seven and a half percent interest in that 1aW firm of several hundred lawyers. Would that executive branch employee now working for a big: downtown law firm, but with less ihan seven and a quarter half pereent interest be covered?

Senator Severns.  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day MaY 1991 SENATOR SEVERNS: The employee would be covered, but not the firm . And the language that -- that you refer to: Senator Schaffer# comes directly tracks, think, identically to the Purchasing Act, Section l32 ll- -- I mean, 132.11-1. PRESIDENT ROCK: Senator Schaffer. SENATOR SCHAFFER: Well, the informatlon have here is and may have misstated is if they get less than seven and a half percent of the income from that firm - which obviously in a multi-million dollar firm they would undoubtedly be theydre not covered. In fact, thls bill doesn't cover anybody that leaves the executive branch to work for a big, downtown laW firm or a big corporation . It just covers those peopte Who might leave the executive branch and Work for a small company or perhaps go into business far themselves. I'm not sure that there's a problem here, but if there is a problem heie wey I think, have been hypocritical to single out one particular branch of government, and seems to me like the fix ës in for the big boys on this one. PRESIDENT ROCK: Eurther discussion? Senator Lechowicz. ' SENATOR LECHOWICZ: Thank you, Mr. President. Will the sponsor yield for a question? Do understand the bill correctly, that youdre / preventinq anyone from being employed for a two-year perlod of time who has served in an executive capacity of this State?

Senator Severns. SENATOR SEVERNS: The -- the bill says no one can receive ten thousand dollars or more in bid-exempt contracts unless the exemption has been  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24z 1991 permitted that is outlined in the bill.

Senator Lechowicz.

Does that also then cover elected -- former elected officials or just their staff? Would Governor Thompson be included under this bill?

Senakor Severns.

Yes.

Senator Lechowicz.

What about Jerry Cosentino. He's qot a bid contract with the Metropolitan Sanitary Diserict. Would he be included under this bill?

Senator Severns.

He would be included as well.

Senator Leehowicz.

Gentlemen, let -- may I address -- address myself to the bill?

Yes. Senator Leehowicz.

I personally believe that in a free democracy: a person - man or woman - should be able to serve in the best capacity they are suited for and they want to serve in. And why are we excluding people with experience - Whether they be elected offieials or l28  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRAHSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24 1991 , former staff .employees - and not permitting them to work for the Sbate of Illinois for a tWo-year period of time with the type of expertise that they bave? And for that reason, I Would hope that this bill be defeated. Thank you.

Further discussion? Senator Severns, to close.

Thank you, Mr. President, Members öf the Senate.This bill excludes no one. What this bill does is try to get a grip on the incredible amount of no-bid contracts that we offer. Governor Edgar has stated his concern in this area. Many Members have stated their concern in this area. a reasonable bill, and the frankly, the misùse and abuse of the past administration , in particular, has been Well documented. In a 1989 Louis Post-Dkspateh study revealed that during the private -- previous five years, more than five million dollars in no- bid contraets had been received by hiqh-ranking executive branch officials. 1.11 be the first one to admit that I would prefer to include everyone , would be most happy to accept a House amendment that includes everyone. But this is a step forward, and I think deserves a1l of our support. would urge a favorable vote. Thank you.

Question is, shall Senate Bill 261 pass. Those in favor, vote Aye. Opposed, vote Nay. The voting is open. Have a11 voted Who wish? Have a11 voted who wish? Have a11 voted who wish? Have a11 voted who wish? Take the record. 0n that question, there are 19 Ayes, 31 Nays, none voting Present. Senate Bill 261, having failed to receive the required constitutional majorkty, declared passed qsic>. If I can have your attention. Senator Philip and just visited about the possibility of getting out of here today. Let me just direct your attention to Page 4, Page Page 6 and Page 7 of the Calendar. And then it's been requested 129  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24# 1991 w : that we move then to Pages 26 and 27 for Consideration Postponed i and Motions in Writing. So I suggest to you -- we have a good deal of work to do, and I Would ask, please, that - if we can - to refrain from lengthy speeches. 270. Senator Maitland. Read the bill, Madam Secretary.

Senate Bill 270. (Secretary reads title of bi11) 3rd Reading of the bill.

Senator Maitland.

Thank youz Mr. President, Members of the Senate.' I move to Table Senate Bill 270.

Secretary informs the Chair that he may have made a mistake in the declaration. That bill was declared lost - not passed - lost - l-o-s-t - dead. I'm sorry: you want to Table yours? Is that the -- I'm sorry, Senator Maitland. I was distracted up here. Senator Maitland.

That's the way I was distracted this morning on that -- that one bill, too. I moved, Mr. President, to Table Senate Bill 270.

All right. Senator Maitland has moved to Table Senate Bill 270. A1l in favor of that motion, indicate by saying Aye. Al1 opposed. The Ayes have it. The motion carries. It's Tabled. 271. Senator de1 Valle. Read the bill, Madam Secretary.

Senate Bill 271. (Secretary reads title of bill) 3rd Reading of the bill. ' la0  STATE 0F ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24, 1991

Senaeor del Valle. SENATOR dEL VALLE: Thank you, Mr. President. This amendment eame from the Secretary of State's Office, and it just simply codifies the current procedure used for issuing driver's licenses to Immigration and Control Act Amnesty Program participants. ask for a favorable roll call.

Discussion? If not, the questton is, shall Senate Bill 27l pass. Those in favor, vote Aye. Opposed: vote Nay. The voting's open. Have all vated Who Wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Take the record. On that question, there are 56 Ayes, no Naysy none votin: Present. Senate Bill 271: having received the required constitutional majority, is declared passed. 294. Senator Macdonald. 299. Senator Daley. Read the bill, Madam Secretary.

Senate Bill 299. (Secretary reads title of bill) 3rd Reading of the bill.

Senator Daley.

Thank you, Mr. President, Members of the Senate. Senate Bill 299 establishes the Illinois Engineering Scholarshlp proqram. This program would encourage the brightest of the State engineering students to attend college as well praetice engineering or teach in the State of Illinois. The effective date of this legislatlon has been delayed to July 1, 1992, and therefore, has no fisc4l impact in year -- in Fiscal Year .92. I'd be happy to answer any questions. l3l  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSTON SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24, 1991

Senator Dunn.

Thank thank you, Mr. President, Members of the Senate . This bill did pass out of Higher Edueation Committee by a vote of 5 to But however: there isn't any money for this . We have a Student Assistanee Seholarship Program in effect now: and just think it's an untimely bill. And I'd urge its defeat.

Further discussion? Senator Holmberg.

I would just like to -- to confirm that Senator Daley has worked very hard on this bill, and I think it's in very qoad shape now. He's Worked with the Illinois Student Assistant Commission: and since it came out of commiteee, it's -- it's even in better shape. And I reeommend a Yes vote.

Queseion is: shall Senate Bill 299 pass. Those in favor: vote Aye. Opposed, vote Nay. Tbe votingfs open. Have alt voted who wish? Have a11 voted who Wish? Have a1l voted who wish? Have all voted who Wish? Take the record. On that question, there are 43 Ayes, 11 nays, 1 votinq Present. Senate Bill 299, having received tbe required constitueional majority, is deelared passed. 309. Senator Etheredge. Read the bill: Madam Secretary.

senate Bill 309. (Secretary reads kitle of bill) 3rd Readin: of the bill. PRESIDENT ROPKZ Senator Etheredge.

Thank you, Mr. Fresident, Ladies and Gentkemen of the Senate . l32  I STATE 0F ILLINOIS ! 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT I 33rd Legislative Day May 24, 1991 This is the Community College Rate Bill. I Would ask for a favorable roll call. PRESIDENT ROCK) Discussion? If not, the question is shall Senate -- I'm sorry. Senator Jones. SENATOR JONES: Yeah. Thank you, Mr. President. Could you explain When you said what the bill aetually does, 'cause I don't sit on that committee, but you are deallng with the :rants for eommunity eollege. I'd like to know. PRESIDENT ROCK: Senator Etheredge. SENATOR ETHEREDGE: Yes. Senator, each year, We pass a blll that identifies the dollar reimbursement rate for each of the eredit hours and khe various instruetional categories within the community college. That's what tbis bill does. PRESIDENT ROCK: Senator Jones. SENATOR JONES: Well, could you tell the Body that -- What some of the chanqes are. 'cause I'm concerned about these Chieago City Colleges, and what were the rate chanqes as relate to the courses that are offered? PRESIDENT ROCK: senator Etheredqe. ' SENATOR ETHZREDGE: Well, these -- yeah. These are the eredit hour grant chanqes. . The bacealaureate -- 1611 tell you whae I kill do# Senator. I wil1 give you the figure for FY'9l, Which is right now, and then FY'92 -- the -- the level proposed for PY'92 at the Governords level. The baeealaureate degree credit-hour reimbursement rate l33 I I I  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24: 1991 would decrease from thirty dollars and eighty-nine eents to twenty-eigbt dollars and seventy-one cents. Maybe I can juse qo down throuqh these others a little more rapidly here. Business credit hour rate would increase a dollar and forty cents.

Senator Jones. A11 riqht. Question is, shall Senate Bill 309 pass. Those ln favor: vote Aye. Opposed, vote Nay. The voting's open. A11 voted who wish? Have a1l voted who wish? Have a11 voted who wisb? Take the record. On that question, there are 45 Ayes, 6 Nays, 2 voting Present. Senate Bill 309, baving received the regutred constitutional majority, is declared passed. 330. Senator Marovitz. Read the bill: Madam Secretary.

Senate Bill 330. (Secretary reads tâtle of bill) 3rd Reading of the blll.

Senator Marovitz.

Thank you very much, Mr. President and Members of the Senate. Currently the Illinois Human Rights Act proteets individuals from discrimination based' on racey color, reli:ion, national origin, anaestry, age, sexy marital status and handicap. Senate Bill 330 would expand the -- and extend the Illinois Human Rights Act to protect tbose people who are discriminated against on the basis of sexual orientation in housinq, employment, public accommodation. The church -- the Catholic Church gave us an amendment khich we accepted and which withdrèw their opposition to the legislation. There was some othe'r linguistic and pereeption language that was asked to be withdrawn from the legislation, Which in fact has been removed from the legislation. Public opinion polls have been taken, and they support the addition of sexual orientation eo 134  STATE 0F ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SZSSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24, 1991 Human Rights legislation. In April of 1991 - just last month a poll commissioned by the Human Rights Campaign Fund found that eighty percent of Americans favor equal rights for gays and lesbians in the workplace. A simple -- a similar Gallup Poll taken ln 1989 found that seventy-one pereent favor egual rights. Some people will say this is a controversial bill. But lt really is a a bill dealing with fundamental human rights. When we find that ten pereent or more of the cauntry - the population - are gay or lesbian, and face discrimination daily in the workplace and in seekin: housing, and trying to get credit and public accommodations, all wefre trying to do is give them the opportunity to file a discrimination complaint before the Human Rights Commission. This ' is just common sense. It's just common decency, and as I've said before in tbis Body, Ladies and Gentlemen, you are going to be against diseriminakion in one form, you ought to be against diserimination in every and any farm, and tbat's what thls bill is all about.

senator D 'Arco, for What purpose to you seek recognition?

Thank you. Point of personal privileqe, Mr. Presldent.

State your point, please.

In the gallery behind me, Mr. President, we have the speeial educatlon eighth grade students from Sklnner School on Throop Street in my distrlct, and Would ask that they rise and be recognized by the Senate.

Will our quests please stand and be recognized. Welcome to Springfield. All right. Senator Marovitz has moved the passaqe of Senate Bill 330. Discussion? Senator Keats. l35  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24, 1991

Thank you, Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. I will be very brief. To the credit of the sponsor - and I eommend him for he took al1 the extraneous material out of the bill and it is simply a Gay Rights provision to be added to the Human Rights Act. will qive him credit because there were a series of things that obfuscated that issue, and as amended now, it's a very elear bill and it really does that and that alone. Sexual orientation is simply added to the list of prokected elasses. Now you really have to ask yourself whether sexual orientatkon shouxd be in that category. And there is one other specific problem dealing with the vagueness. In terms of the ability to launch lawsuits, you really need some fairly clear and specific lan:uage. The wording in this - as anyone who will review it will see - is extremely vague. I've not lobbied any individual Members on this bill, as you are well aware. This is an idea that I think you have to deal With from the point of view of your constituency and from what your beliefs are. To say that homosexuals should have èqual rights is obvious. The United States Constitution right now guarantees that everyone has equal riqhks. So ko say that people agree with that -- would hope every one in this room woùld agree with that eoncept. The Bill of Riqhts should apply to every American citizen equally, and this bill does not change the Ameriean Bill of Rights. But you have to remember homosexuality is a freely chosen act, whereas the other covered categories - race, color, sex and national origin are not. The only other issue covered that is not -- that is not something that you have no control over - is religion. But religious freedom under the American Constitution and the First Amendment is very clearly spelled out, and therefore is ineluded as a First Amendment Right. This would be ehe first time that we would ever put a chosen act under the proteetion of the Human 136  STATE 0P ILLINOIS 8?th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24, 1991 Rights Act: rather than things where you had no choicer such as race, color, sex and national origin. I personally am opposed to the bill. I believe your constituency would be opposed to this blll. I think the potential for problems within the legal system, the problem for employers, the problem Within resldential sltuations is extensive, and I think as you realize the broad-based effect it would have, I would tbink We should oppose it and protect ourselves from this type of extension of an alleged right to a cate:ory Who's chosen to be different than tbe rest of society.

Purther discussion? Senator Pawell.

Will the sponsor yield for a question? Will you tell me, have the opponents - the IMA, Ehe Motorola, the Chamber and the AEI Withdrawn objection With your amendments, or are they do they still have problems because of problems they may have with their businesses?

Senator Marovitz. SENATOR MAROVITZJ An honest answery Senator Fawell, would be that those groups have not spoken to me at any time.

Further discussion? Senator DeAngelts. SENRTOR DeANGELIS: Thank you, Mr. President. I rise in support of Senate Bkll 330. think we ought to knok that any time we deny a right to someone, we in fact, deny a right to ourselves. We live in a society in which the output, the desires, the ambitlons of all human belngs ought to be respected. And I donlt think any of us would like to work ln an atmosphere in which we have a fear, 137  STATE OF ILLINOIS 8?th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24# 1991 because of soae preference we might have - religious or ctherwise that we will, factr be either terminated or remeved from our job. This bill, fact, does just slmply that, and with a11 due respeet, Senator Keats, I'm not so certain that sexual preference is so mueh a sexual choice as perhaps some other factors that mtght contrkbute to

Further discussion? Senator Marovitz# to close.

Thank you very much: Mr. President. Just briefly, Senator Keats mentioned the fact that certain riqhts are guaranteed by the Constitution, and he's correet. Certain rights are guaranteed by the Constitution. But what this bill is about is making sure that there is a remedy when those rights are abridged -- there's a remedy when those freedoms are abridged. One of those rights that he mentioned a rlqht aqainst diserimination, and this is the remedy, as it is with individuals Who if there's discrimination based on race, eolor, religion: national origin, ancestry, aqe: sex, marital status or handieap. They go to the Human Rights Commission for a remedy, if their rights are abridqed, and we want to give those Who are discriminated against on the base of sexual orientation a remedy to guarantee that right. you talk to doctors physicians who are dealing with the human body - they will tell you that people don't choose to be a homosexual. That's not something tbat you choose to do. That's inborn. That's innate. People would not choose to have -- to be discriminated against. Other states have this legkslatkon. There has heen no litigation: no floods ob litigation based on the passage of this very legislation in those other states. There Won't be any floods of litigation here. A1l welre doing is saying everyone is entitled to a remedy when they 're discriminated against. Let's not create different segments of society and different rules for 138  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24 , 1991 different segments of society. If y&u discrimlnate against someone, at least give them the right and the remedy to question that discrimination. That's What this is about. It's a very simple bill. And I think the Legislature ought to make a very loud statement that we are against discrimination. We're for those constitutional rights, and welre going to give people a remedy, if those constitutional rights are abridged. Solieit your Aye vote.

Question is, shall Senate Bill 330 pass. Those in favor, vote Aye. Opposed' vote Nay. The voting is open. Al1 voted who Wish? Have a1l voted who wish? Have al1 voted who wish? Have a11 voted who wish? Take the record. On Xhat question/ there are 21 Ayes, 32 Nays/ none voting Present. Senate Bill 330, having failed to receive the required constitutional majority, is declared losk. 380. Senator Berman. Read the billy please.

Senate Bi11 380. (Secretary reads title of bill) 3rd Reading of the bill.

Senator Berman.

Thank you. This is a technical Act that defines, in greater particularity, the definitions of tenancy -- ownership of -- by tenancy by the entirety. I'd be glad to respond Eo any questlons . Solieit your Aye vote.

Any discussion? Discussion? If not, the question is, shall Senate Bill 380 pass. Those ln favor: vote Aye. Opposedy vote Nay. The voting's open. All voted Wbo Wish? Have a11 voted who wksh? Have a1l voted Who Wish? Take the record. On that 139  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24, 1991 question there are 54 Ayes, no Nays, none votin: Present. Senate Bill 380, baving receized the requkred constitutional majority, declared passed. 393. Senator Dudycz. Read the bill, Madam Secretary, please.

Senate Bill 393. (Seeretary reads title of bill) 3rd Reading of the bill.

Senator Dudycz.

Thank you, Mr. President. Senate Bill 393 represents a compromise negotkated by the Illinois New Car and Truck Dealers Association and the Illinois Credit Union League. Passage of the bill will prevent -- passage of the bill will prevent - had to repeat that statement - this issue from coming before the Eenate each year as is -- as is -- it has in the last five or six years. reaffirms that only car dealers lieensed by the State may sell cars. It also clarifies that credit unions and auto buying services, such as UBS or Amoco Motor Club, may advertise auto purchase opportunities and solicit purehases for dealers without obtaining a license from the Secretary of Seate's Offices. Their aativities are not considered brokering or selling cars. And as long as any sale resulting from these activities is -- is consummated by a -- a licensed dealer, this provisisn will enable credit unions, auto purchase referral servkces and motor clubs to continue workins with licensed dealers who voluntarily offer discount prices on their cars. The bill :oes on to provide that licensed dealers may only sell cars from off-site locations within their relevant market area. Now, that area is defined in the Vehiele Pranchise Act as a ten- or fifteen-mile radius from the dealer's principal location, depending upon the population of the l40  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legîslative Day May 24y 1991 county. This provision will clarify that tent sales are to be conducted within the local market area of the dealer. It bad been - - the bill had been placed on the Agreed Bill List, but due ko some technieal errors, the Secretary of State's Offlce asked that it be pulled. It is noW teehnically correct. know of no opposition, and I ask an affirmative vote.

Discussion on 393? Senator Brookins.

Thank you, Mr. Presldent. I rise in support of this bill. It has been worked outr and itdll alleviate a 1ot of work in the Transportation Committee that -- because this bill been coming up year after year after year. So I ask for an Aye vote.

Question isyshall Senate Bill 393 pass. Those in favor, vote Aye. Opposed, vote Nay. The voting's open. Have al1 voted who wish? Have all voted Who wish? Have al1 voted who wish? Take the record. On that question, therê are 56 Ayes, no Nays, none voeing Present. Senate Bill 393, having received the required eonstitutional majority, is declared passed. 507. Senator Watson. 588. Senator Raiea. Read the bill.

Senate Bill 588. tsecretary reads title of bill) 3rd Reading of the bill.

Senator Raiea.

Thank you, Mr. President: Ladles and Gentlemen of the Senate. Senate Bill 588 amends the Controlled Substance Act to clarify that preseriber meaning a doetor, dentist: podiatrist, veterinarian - need only have a separate registration at locations 14l  STATE OP ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24, 1991 where he or she dispenses or administers controlled substances. This changes current laW to provide that a preseribers need noL have a separate registration at locations where controlled substanees are only prescribed. Amendment that I Tabled yesterday, I -- I Tabled because there was obviously a flaw, and was not the intent of the bill. It is my intenty with this bill, to clarify, in law, those locations where a pbysician must register in order to prescribe, administer or dispense controlled substances. just ask for a favorable roll call.

Discussion? not, the question is# sball Senate Bill 588 pass. Those in favor, vote Aye. Opposed: vote Nay. The voting's open. A11 voted who kish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Take ehe record. On that question, there are 56 Ayes, no Nays, none vöting Present. Senate Bill 588, having received the -- the rqquired constltutional majority, is declared passed. Senator Maitlani. 598. Read the billz Madam Secretaryr please.

Senate Bill 598. (Secretary reads title of bill) 3rd Reading of the bill.

Senator Maitland. ZENKTOR MAITLRNDt Thank you very much, Mr. Presldent, Members of the Senate . Senate Bill 598 alloW: the public universlty football coaches in this State to participate in the American Football Coaches Retirement Trust -- Retlrement System. As -- as many of you know, most fookball coaches in this country are very transient, and are in khis state only about four or four and a half years. They never become vested in any -- in any retirement system. This l42  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislatkve Day May 24, 1991 would allov tbem to be a part of their own system . Coach Mackovic and -- and faotball coach Jim Heacock from Illinois State were both here and testifàed in support of thks bill. 1 know of no opposition. Would appreeiate your support.

Discussion? Discusskon? Senator Hall, on this blll? Senator Hall.

I just want to ask one question. You said theytre transit. And what does the State contribute kowards that?

Senator Maitland .

Senatory theydre a part of the same system as -- as a1l other university people are, but they're noL in the State long enough to beeome vested in the retirement system. This gives them a -- a system that tbey can move from any state and become vested in.

Senator Jones.

Well, yeah. just want to rise in stron: support of the bill. Senator Maitland is absolutely correct. They do move. They donft stay in the systems long enough, in many instances, to get vested. think itls a good piece of legislation. It deserve an Aye vote.

Further diseussion? Senator Jacobs.

Yes. What -- what's the -- the salary of the head coach of University of Illinois? PRESIDENT ROCK; Senator Maitland. l43  STATE OP ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24, 1991 SENATOR MAITLAND; Well, Senator, I think you 're probably referring to the same figures that saw in the paper. think the salary was -- I don't want to comment on it. I don't remember what the -- the total benefit package was quite a bit.

Senator Jacobs. Question is, shall Senate Bill 598 pass. Those in favor, vote Aye. Opposed, vote Nay. The voting's open. Have a11 voted who wish? Have a1l voted who wish? Have a1l voted who wish? Take the record. On that question, there are 40 Ayes, 8 Nays, voting Present. Senate Bill 5-9-8, having received the required constitutional majority, is declared passed. 634. Senator Jcyce. 651. Senator Leehowiez. Read the bill, Madam Secretary, please.

Senate Bill 651. (Secretary reads title of bill) 3rd Readin: of the bill.

Senator Lechowicz. END 0F TAPE TAPC 4

Thank youy Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. Senate Bill 651 was on the Agreed Bill List, and it was removed at the request of the possibility of the flscal impact of the State. Let me just point out to you that Senate Bill 651 amends the Elder Abuse and Negleet Act to require the Departmene of Aging to 144  STATE 0P ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24, 1991 establish a pilot program to provide the temporary housing and emergency shelter for abused, neglectedz elderly people. When we were campaigning this past fall, especially the area in Cook County, the number of senior citizens that came and brought to our attention the faet that the State of Illinois moved ln the right direction when Senator Rock introduced the bill that created and and sought out the protection of abused children. And they were saying that the State of Illinois has moved properly in that direction, but unfortunately, that the senior citizens who have a similar problem had no recourse in making sure that there were shelters provided so they could go to a shelter and make sure that their problems would be addressed. Well We introduced this bill - and basically, the fiseal impact that was filed by the department said it would cost approximately five hundred thousand dollars. Well, unfortunately, that figure is wrong. Theydve been workin: on a premise that we're going to have two shelters as far as a trial program. The intent of the sponsor of the bill would be to have one. Let me point out to you that the department's fiscal note assumes that there are no other resources for the operation of these shelters. It is eommon that local and private funds are used. The Department of Aqin: does not have to cover the entire cost of the program, other resourees can be used. Let me just point out to you that the private agencies I'm referring to is United Way, the Coalition Against Domestie Violence provide grants to shelters similar to the one that I'm proposing under this legislatton. Also, the Federal government Would be able to provide Medicaid-eliqible funds that can be obtained through reimbursements. So I think this is an area that we should really look into, and I'm asking that the department create one -- one trial agency in making sure that this area would be addressed. Lee me also point out to you that as far as last year, fiseal in ehe Elder Abuse Program, the State of Illinois elapsed six l45  STATE 0F TLLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24, 1991 hundred forty-one thousand tWo hundred dollars. Their fiscal request is three million three hundred and fifty thousand dollars, which a six hundred and forty-one thousand dollar increase or twenty-four percent increase, over last year's figures. And for that reason. T think a two hundred and fifty thousand dollar cost is well within the budgetary restraints and constraints of the State. And I Would hope that the elder -- elder senior citizens of this State would have this type of a program available to them. ask for your favorable support.

All right. The Gentleman has moved passage of Senate Bill 651. Discussion? Senator Topinka.

Yes, Mr. President and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. As Senator Demuzio said earlier on another bill -- you know, we have an over-extended State. We -- your asking for something that's unbudoeted. Where are we going to get the money? Hhether this be two pilot -- or tWo pilot sites or one pilot site, one at five hundred thousand dollars or one at two hundred and fifty thousand dollars, we still donft have it budgeted. We don't know where the money will come from. Obviouslyy there are lots of good ideas and lots of needs that we could address. But one of the reasons we a1l got ourselves into the problem of -- of the State at this time is we made too many promises that were only worth the paper on Which they were printed, and there wasnlt any green stuff behind ehem. Well. there's none behind this as well. I Would ask for a No vote.

Further discussion? Senator Dudycz.

Well, thank you, Mr. -- Mr. .President. The Department on Aging's annual budget, my understanding, is a bundred and fifty 146  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24, 1991 million dollars a year. And this is dealing -- this is a program which would sunset on July lsty 1993. And it's a miniscule -- a miniscule amount out of their budget when you're talkin: about abused, elderly citizeni of this State. I think it is a program we should a1l support, and I thlnk we should see how it plays out for the next year and a half or tWo years. And then we '11 come back to it if it -- if it needs to be extended. seek your affirmative support.

Purther discussion? Senator DeAngelis. SENATOR DeANGELIS: Without making it appbar as I'm trying to support the age that I'm in, many of you seen -- have seen the sign that says, want to qrow o1d enouqh to be a burden to my children. Well, far too frequently, that's exactly hoW older people are being regarded. And I think we ought to begin to realize that as we a11 grow older - and we're a11 going to Jive longer as we grow older that we ought to, in fact, find ways to prevent tbings happening to those people - that segment of èur population whofs older. support this program.

Further discussion? Senator Lechowicz, you wish to close?

IId appreciate your favorable vote. Thank you.

Question ls, shall Senate Bill 651 pass. Those in favor, vote Aye. Opposed, vote Nay. The votin: is open. Have a1l voted who wish? Have voted who wish? Have all voted Who wish? Take the record. On that question, there are 38 Ayesz 15 Nays, l voting Present. Senate Bill 651, having received the required constitutional majority, is declared passed. 671. Senator Joyce. Top of Paqe Progress. 698. Senator Jones. Read the bill. l47  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24y 1991

Senate Bill 698. (Secretary reads title of bill) 3rd Reading of the bill.

Senator Jones.

Yeah. Thank you, Mr. President, Members of the -- of the Senate. Senate Bill 698 amends the Certified Shorthand Court Reporters Act and clarifies the appropriate length of continuin: service as a board member; qive the director the power to remove board members for missing three meetings; increase disciplinary action and fines. Tbis is the sunset provision Which extends it to the year 2003 and so on. And I move for the passage of this bill.

Senator Jones haà movyd the -- the passage of Senate Bill 6-9-8. Discussion? Senatar Madigan.

Thank you, Mr. President. Just a quick question. 0ur analysis, Senator Jones, show: that the bill sunsets on December 31st of 2002. You said 2003.

Senator Jones.

Mine said 2003 and -- yes. Your analysis is -- is incorrect.

Senator Madigan.

Bill which sunsets on -- I'm sorry. But I just want the everyone to watch thls one and the following one as far as when the different times the sun sets around here. l48  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24, 1991

Further discussion? Senator Watson.

Well, thank you, Mr. President. A question of the sponsor.

Sponsor indicates he will yield. Senator Watson.

Again, our analysis here says: prohibits any person from practicing shorthand without being certified. Would you elaborate on that?

Senator Jones.

Well, that's current law. Nothing major -- nothing major the bill is being changed. Thatîs current law.

Senator %atson.

I believe my secretary can practice shorthand and does quite well, and I don 't believe she's certified. So are you telling me then she's in violation of state law?

Senator Jones.

Actually, I believe you have a misconeeption. Welre not ealking abou: shor*hand. Welre Ealklnq abou: shorthand reporting as such, not the shorthand that one does or as your secretary does. This is the Certified Shorthand Reporters Act. It's different altogether than What you are alludin: toy which is -- which is current law.

Further discussion? Senator Hawkinson. Oh, I'm sorry, l49  STATE OP ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24, 1991 Senator Watson, I thougbt you had concluded.

Well, Who are these people then?

Senator Jones.

Basically, court reporters. Tbat's all basically is . And it's eurrent law. thought you were familiar with that: Senator Watson.

Senator Hawkinson.

Thank you, Mr. President. Quick question of the sponsor.

Sponsor indieates belll yield.

Senator, the ILS <sic> printout says requires reporters to establish a contingent fee as a basis of compensation. Can you explain that to me?

Senator Jones.

According to -- to staff, don't see that in the bill. What it does require -- establish a continuing edueation and shall be completed -- eomplete twenty hours of continuing education. And this the department bill. I don't see it in there .

Senator Hawkinson.

Well, it -- it is in the 1LS <sic> printout: and I -- I can't, for the life of me# think of a sieuatlon where a court reporter who is not a partisan of one side or another would be in a l50  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24y 1991 contingent fee arrangement. And I would assune if it's in there, you'll have it deleted.

Senator Jones.

Well, the bill has been amended, and I'm quite certain it has been deleted.

Senator Jones, dù you wish to close?

Just a favorable vote.

Question is, shall Senate Bill 6-9-8 pass. Those in favor, vote Aye. Opposed, vote Nay. The voting's open. Have a11 voted 2 who wish? Have al1 voted Who Wish? Have a11 voted who wish? Take the record. On that question, there are 34 Ayes, Nays, 2 votinq Present. Senate Bill 698: having received the required constitutional majority, is declared passed. 7-7-6. Senator Jones. 7-9-0. Senator Cullerton. Read the bill. SECRETARX HAWKER i : Senate Bill 7-9-0. (Secretary reads title of bill) 3rd Reading of the bill.

Senator Cullerton.

Thank you, Mr. President and Members of the Senate . When someone 's convicted of a felony, and they appeal, they get -- and they 're indigent - they get either a publlc defender or a State Appellate Defender. Occasionally though, if thereîs a eonflict, there has to be another outside counsel appointed. The Statute says that when theydre appointed - and theyfre paid for by the l5l  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24# 1991 county by the way, there's a cap of fifteen hundred dollars in each case that they can make. That was set 1975. What the bill does is to ralse that up to four thousand dollars. It's still permissive. It still has to be authorized by a court. And the Senate amendment that was passed, that had said the State should pay for it, was Tabled. So wefre back to the original bill that says it's up to the county to pay for it. I think it's reasonable to have this increase. hasn'e been increased since 1975 sixteen years. It's not -- doesn't come out of #ny State dollars, and I would appreciate an Aye vote.

Discussion? Discussion? Senator Butler.

Will the sponsor yield, please?

Indicates he will yield, Senator Butler.

Clarify something. ïou just said -- Who Will pay for this? Did I misunderstand you say the state will pay?

Senator Cullerton.

No, the -- it's paid for by the county. There was a Senate amendment that would have said the State Would pay for but that was Tabled. So now it's up to the county.

Further discussion? If not, the question I'm sorry . Senator Lechowicz.

One question if I may, Mr. President.

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Would this be approved by the county board or is this a mandate to the county?

Senator Cullerton.

I think it has to be approved by the judge. If it's approved by the judge, then the county has to pay for it. And in Cook County last year, the county spent sixteen thousand dollars on ln legal fees for tbese people. And if this bill kas to pass, it may qo up as high as forty thousand dollars.

Senator Lechowicz.

Is that the maximum cap then? It would be forty thousand?

Senator Cullerton.

No# thatls just -- that's just an estimaEe. There.were only nine people -- there were only nine lawyers appointed in a11 af Cook County last year to handle these appeals Where the #ublic Defender's Offiee and the'State Appellate Defender's Office cculd not handle them because of a conflict. And, right now, they ean only get fifteen hundred dollars by Statute. This raises the cap to forty-five hundred. But the judge orders it, then the county would have to pay it. And What Iîm saying is that I Would estimate, based on the increase from fifteen hundred to four thousand, that the most that would be spent by the county would be forty-tWo thousand. But just an estimate.

Further discussion? Senator Philip.

153  ' h ! STATEOF ILLINOIS 1 87th R' EG CU EL NE ARAL SEA SSS IE OM NBLY 1 ; SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24# 1991 Thank you, Mr. President. As you know, under the present systea , we -- we give a criminal a free lawyer at the circuit court. Now we give him a free lawyer at the appellate court. The next time theylll be around, theyfll want a free lawyer at the Supreme Court. And this indirectly is a pay raise for an appellate court public defender. Quite frankly, if it was up to me, I'd abolish them. We qive them a free lawyer the first time. Now, you get it the second time. I -- I just simply, quite frankly, Senator, don't aqree witb it at all. We ought to vote No . PRESIDENT ROCK) The question is, sball Senate Bill 79G pass. Those in fakor, vote Aye. Opposed, vote Nay. The voting's open. Have all voted Who wish? Have all voted'who Wish? Have a11 voted who Wish? Have all voted Who wish? Take the record. On that questiony there are 26 Ayes and 26 Nays. Senate Bill 790, having failed to receive the required constitutional majority, ts declared lost. 795. Senator Cullerton. 798. Senator Berman. 812. Senator Macdcnald. Read the bill, Madam Secretary, please. On middle of Paqe 6, Ladies and Gentlemen, is Senate Bill 812.

Senate Bill 812. (Secretary reads title of bill) 3rd Reading of the bill.

senator Maedonald.

Thank you, Mr. President. Senate Bill 8l2 is a part of a package by the Ilkinoks Citizens Council on Women. We had a number of hearings - or not a number of hearings - but we had hearings on the offense of sexual harassment, and it was proven Eo be that even though the current 1aW limits to fifteen those people l54  STATE 0F ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24, 1991 that can -- that have to be fifteen or more employees. In fact, many of the cases that came to our attention were from small businesses or even professional offices where there Were very few people that were employed. So I am convinced, and certainly was very happy, to take this bill as sponsor. -- I just ean't say anymore than sexual harassment, no matter where it appears, whether in a business of fifteen or more or whether it is in an individual professional office. Wherever it is, it threatens the jobs of women - partièularly not only women, but mostly women who work in those places of employment and is a very, very serious problem in -- in bur society today. And think that wherever it appears and Wherever it occurs, that it should -- there should be remedy fot -- particularly in today 's economy where the jobs of many women are threatened, and they feel that they cannot do anything else but submit to sexual harassment. So ask for your vote on behalf of this particular piece of legislation. It came out of committee unanimouslyr so think there is need for this bill. And I Would ask for your vote.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR LECHOWICZ) Any discussion? The Lady from Maeong Senator Severns. SENATOR SEVERNS) Thank you, Mr. Presidente Members of the Senate. I think this is a reasonable bill. It's a good balance, and I would urge a favorable vote.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR LECHOWICZ) Senator Macdonaldy to close.

would just ask for your vote. Q

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SEHATOR LECHOWICZ) Question is, shall Senate Bill 8l2 pass. All in favorv vote Aye. All opposed, vote Nay. The voting is open. Have a1l voted who wish? Have a11 voted who Wish? Please take the record. On l55  STATE 0F ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSTON SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24, 1991 this question, there are 37 Ayes, 7 Nays, none recorded as Present. This bill, having received the constitutional majority, ks hereby declared pasaed. 833. Senator Jaeobs. Jake. Out of the reeord. 836. 0ut of the record. 851. Senator Hudson. 0ut of the record. 852. Senator Hudson. Out of the record. 855. Senator Maitland. 0ut of the record. 857. Senator Savickas. 0ut of the record. 863. 0ut of the reeord. 933. Senator Marovitz. Out of the record. Turn to Page Ladies and Gentlemen. 0h, a supplemental appropriation. Senaee Bill 955. Senator Carroll. Read the ' bill, Madam Secretary.

Senate Bill 955. (Secretary reads title of bill) 3rd Reading of the bill.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR LECHOWICZ) Senator Carroll.

Thank your Mr. Presidqntz Ladles and Gentlemen of the Senate. Senate Bill 955 is now a supplemental appropriation for the Department of Rehabilitation Services and the Department of Mental Health for monies tbey wkll need on June 1st the largest portion of which is for the homemaker-type people for the Department Rehab Servlces and to repay the Federal government so that we can avoid nine-percent a month penalty for past charges that the Federal government were inappropriate by the department. I would ask for a favorable roll iall.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR LECHOWICZ) Any discussion? The question is, shall Senate Bill 955 pass. Al1 in favor: vote Aye. A11 opposed, vote Nay. The voting is open. Have akt voted who wish? Have a11 voted who Wish? Please take the record. On this question, khere are 57 Ayes, no Nays, none recorded as Present. This bill, having received the 156  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMSLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24, 1991 I constitutional majority, is hereby declared passed. 962. Senator Berman. Read the bkll, Madam Secretary . SECRETARY HAWKER: Senate Bkll 962. (Secretary reads title of bill) 3rd Reading of the bill. PRESIDING OPFICER; (SENATOR LECHOWICZ) Senator Berman. SENATOR BERMAN: Thank you, Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. Senate Bill 962, effectivè as of -- as of January 1st, year 2001, would upgrade the requirements of -- or edueational requirements for the Certified Public Accountants. The CPA Society supports thiE bill. It would increase the requirements from the present hundred and twenky hours to a hundred and fifty hours including a baccalaureate degree. I'd be qlad to respond to any questions. PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR LECHOWICZ) ' Any discussion? Question isz shall Senate Bill 962 pass. A1l ln favor, vote Aye. Al1 opposedv vote Nay. Voting is open. Have a11 voted wbo Wish? Have a11 voted who wish? Please take the record . On this question: there are 50 Ayes: 2 -- 2 recorded as Noz none recorded as Present. This bill, having receîved a constitutional majority, is hereby declared passed. 1015. Senator :rookins. Senate Bill 1015. Out of *he record. Senate Bill 1053. Senator Cullerton. Read the bill: Madam Secretary. SECRETARX HAWKEZ: Senate Bë1l l0î3. (Secretary reads title of bill) 3rd Readkng of the bkll. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR LECSOWICZ) Senator Cullerton. SENATOR CULLERTON: 157 1  i ! STATE 0F ILLINOIS 87th GENERKL KSSEMBLX REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24, 1991 Thank you, Mr. Presidentz Members of the Senate. This bill reflects an agreement reached by tbe representatives of the gas companies and the Illinois Association of Realtors. It has to do with the issue of Reters -- utility meters and tenants' rights. The bill then says that id -- if you have -- if the landlord Wants to rent ta a tenant Who has when there's a meter that covers parts of the building other than the tenant's unit, they ean do that, but they have to give notice to the tenant in -- in Writing as to how much of the -- and the specific areas of the building that they are -- the tenant is paying for other than their own apartment. It aiso says that if the if you have a master-metered buiîding, and you want to go to an individual-metered building, you can't do that durin: the term of the lease, and that at the end of the lease, if you want to do that, you can do so, but you have to give any tenants who might be effected a notice in writing. It also specifically says that this Section does not effect, in any way, the relationship between the utility company and its customers. As I indieated, this was agreed to after -- after long meetinqs With the Realtors' Association as well as the utilities, and I would ask for a favorable vote.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR LECHOWICZ) Any discussion? Gentleman from Cook, Senator DeAngelis. SENATOR DeANGELIS: Senator Cullerton, who to Whom should this notice go to khen the landlard fails to pay the utility bill?

PRESIDIKG OPFICER: (SENATOR LECHOWICZ) Senator Cullerton.

That was a -- that's a dlfferent bill. This has to do with the meter that that bill's...

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR LECHOWICZ) l58 i i jN STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GEXERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24, 1991 Any further discussion? Gentleman from Cookz Senator Butler. SENATOR BDTLER: Will the sponsor yield, please? PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENAYOR LECHOWICZ) Indicates he Will. SENATOR BUTLER: Quiek question. Is there an unequivoeal agreement on this With the utility company? PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR LECHOWICZ) Senator Cullerton. SENATOR CULLERTON: Yes. and I would indicate that there's languaqe on Page of the amendment that says nothing in this Section affects the relatkonshkp between tbe utility and fts customers. That was their amendment that I put on, their language. As a result, they signed off on it. PRESIDIKG OFFICER: (SENATOR LECHOWICZ) Senator Cullerton, to close. SENATOR CULLERTON: Just ask for a favorable vote. It's agreed bill. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR LECHOWICZ) Question isz shall Sen 'ate Bill 1053 pass. Al1 in favor, vote Aye. All opposed, vote Nay. The voting is open. Have a1l voted who wish? Have a1l voted who wish? Please take the record. On this question, there are 53 Ayes, 2 Nays, none recorded as Present. This bill, havlng received the constitutional majorityy ; is hereby declared pasùed. 1067. Senator Rea. Out of the record. 1101. Senator Karpiel. Out of the record. 1104. Senator Karpiel. Out of the reeord. 1139. Senator Dunn. Out of the record. 1143. Senator Marovitz. Out of the record. 1158. Senator Roek. Out of the record. Senate Bill 1220. Senator Severns. Out of the record. Ladies and Gentlemen, that eompletes l59  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT I aard Legislative o ay May 24, 1991 our 3rd Reading for the day. PRESIDENT ROCK: K1l rkght. Ladies and Gentlemen, We have: kldeed: gone through *he Senate Bills on 3rd Reading. There has been a request, obviouslyr by many Who have matters on Postponed Consideration, to go to that order. Then we will deal with Motions in Writing/ and that will conclude our business. 1'd ask those Members Who have something on the Order of Consideration Postponed and the opponents to please spare us lengthy rhetoric. These matters have been heard. So We Would -- Senator Philip and 1, would appreciate if.the proponent and an opponent would only speak, and wedll take a roll call. And I would ask the Members Who are proposinq to lùok around and take a head count. On the Order of Consideration Postponed, Senate Bill 170. Senator Dunn. SENATOR T. DUNN: Thank youy Mr. Presidènt. What this bill says is that if a eity purchases a water company and that there are individuals who do not reside in the city but reside outside of the city - but if it's a vk11a9e of under twenty-five thousand, they ouqht to be charged *he same rate. It also says if there are people outside of the city who wish to'voluntarily pay a higher rate: they may. I urge a Aye vote. PRESIDENT ROCK: Question is -- discussion? The question is, shall Senate Bill l70 pass. Those in favor: vote Aye. Opposed, vote Nay. And the voting is open. Have al1 voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Take : the record. On that questionf there are 23 Ayes. 27 Naysy and the bill fails. Senate Bill 2-2-6. Senator Smith. Senate Bi11 4-4-5. Senator Joyce. On the Order of Consideration Postponed is Senate Bill 4-4-5. These bills have already been read a third time. Senator Joyee. ' 160 1  STATC oF ILLIsoIs . 4 87th GEUERAL ASSEMBLX j REGULAR scssloN SESATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Leqislaeive Day May 24, 1991 SENATOR J.J. aoycE: Thank you, Mr. President. This is the racing board members. It would put a membet of the thoroughbred horse raeing a person who is in that business oh the board and -- standard bred -- when the when the terms explre, the current ones now.

Discussion? Question is, shall Senate 3i1l 4-4-5 pass. Those in favor, vote Aye. Opposed, vote Nay. The voting's open. Have at1 voted who wksh? Have a1l voted who wish? Have al1 voted who Wish? Have a1l voted Who wish? Have al1 voted who wish? Take the record. On that questionr there are 30 Ayesz 24 Nays, none voting Present. Senate Bill 4-4-5, having received the required constitutional majority, is declared passed. 4-7-1. Senator Collins. 4-7-2. Senator Collins. 520. Senator Maedonald. 702. Senator Jones. Read -- npr the bill has been read a thkrd time. Senate Bi11 -- on the Order of Consideratlon Postponed, Senate Bill 702.

Yeah. Thank you, Mr. President, Members of the Senate. Senate Bill 702 merely extend the sunset for the Insurance Code - those fourteen articles: Which will expire at the end of this year to give one-year extensioàs so that We, the Legislature, can have time to deal with this all-important issue. Without that, it will sunset, and there will bp no regulation as such. And I ask for a favorable vobe.

Senator Madigan.

Thank you, Mr. President. This is -- is bad bill today as it was yesterday, and I -- We remain as opposed to it today as we did yesterday.

161 I I I SYATE OP ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSIQN SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24, 1991 Question isy shall Senate B111 702 pass. Those in favor, vote Aye. Opposed, vote Nay. The voting's open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who,wish? Have a1l voted Who wish? Have all voted Who Wish? Take the record. On that question, there are 27 Ayes, 28 Nays, and the bill fails. 711. Senator Relly. 720. Senator de1 Valle. On the Order of Consideration Postponedg bottom of Page 26, Ladies and Gentlemen, is Senate Bill 720. SENATOR dEL VALLE: Thank you, Mr. President. We debated this bill at length yesterdayz but I do want to add that this legislation is supported by the Chicago Sun-Times Editorial Baard, Crainîs Chkcago Business. The Cook CounEy Board passed a unanimous resolution in support of this. The State Treasurer, Chicago City Treasurer, Catholic Conference, Jewish Council on Urban Affairs, Metro Seniors in Action, State Council of Seniors, and a wide range of other senior, religious ahd eommunity groups. I certainly hope we could do the same thing. Thank you. PRESIDENT R0CR: Discussion? Senator Schaffer. SENATOR SCHAFFER: Mr. President, many of us truly believe this Would have exaetly the opposite effect that the sponsors thknk it would - that it would, in fact, remove the currency exchange industry from the public aid concentrated areas of the State. 0ne additional piece cf information I was unaware of - I am reliably informed that the currency exchanges are eurrently in neqotiations with the Department of Public Aid to eontinue a contract that runs out July 1, for the free distribution of publie aid checks through their agencies. It is obvious that if legislation of this type passes, they will not be able to continue that contraet. I am told that the postage costs alone to the State Wouhd be two and a half million dollars a year, plus a1l the other problems tbat we get k62 I I STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24, 1991 When we mail public aid ehecks by mail. This is a bill whose idea has not yet come. PRESIDENT ROCK: Senator del Valley to close. SENATOR dEL VALLE: Well, thank you very much, Mr. President. I think your statement, Senator Schaffer, is reflective of the kind of strong-arming, the kknd of kntimidation, and the kind of tacties that are being used by this cartel - this monopoly to keep this piece of the pie that keeps growing for them and ks making a small group of individuals very, very wealthy in the State of Illinois. PRESIDENT ROCK: Question is, shall Senate Bill 720 pass. Those in favor will vote Aye. Opposed, vote Nay. And the voting is open. Have a1l voted who wish? Have all voted Who wish? Have a11 voted who wish? Take the record. On that question, there are 26 Ayes, 23 Naysy and the bill fails. 8-8-2. Senator Topinka. 8-8-6. Senator Smith. 9-4-2. Senator Holmberg. On the Order of Consideratkon Postponed, top of Page is Senate Bill 942. Senator Holmberg. SENATOR HOLMBERG: Very briefly, this is the bill that would allow Citizens af the State of Illinois to have some choice in where they had their alcoholism and drug abuse treatment, allowing private providers and clinicse as well as hospitals: to be the providers . And I Would urge its passage. PRESIDENT ROCK: Discussion? Senator Madigan. SENATOR MADIGAN: Thank youz Mr. President. Are differences continue to exist on tbis bill today as well, and We remain opposed. PRESIDENT ROCK: 163  STATE 0P ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMDLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislatkve Day May 24, 1991 Question is# shall Senate Bill 942 pass. Those in favor, vote Aye. Opposed, vote Nay. The voting is open. Have a11 voted Who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have a11 voeed Who wish? Have a11 voted who wish? Take the record. On that question, there are 27 Ayes: 26 Naysy and the bill fails. 1003. Senator Carroll. 1038. Senator Smith. On the Order of Consideration Postponed ks Senate Bill 1-0-3-8 -- 1038. Senator Smith .

Thank you, Mr. President and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. This -- Senate Bill 1038 merely is intended to make the substantive changes in conjunetion with any funding changes that may occur in the Public Aid budget. I intend that this bill move as a vehicle to allow us to make the ehanges as neeessary. And I move for its adoption.

Discussion? Senator Topinka.

ïes. Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate, think we had some difficulty With this yesterday, because it's just one more vehicle soin: on of where we don't know where it's going. We don't know uhat ktfs going to brlng back to us - probably somethinq costly. I Would continue to eneourage that we take it down.

Question is, shall Senate Blll 1038 pass. Those in favor, vote Aye. Opposed? vote Nay. The voting's open. Have a11 voted who wish? Have al1 voted who wish? Have a1l voted who wish? Have all voted who Wish? Take the record. On that question, there are 28 Ayes, 27 Naysz and the bill fails. 1125. Senator Brookins. On the Order of Consideration Postponed is Senate Bkll 1125: Madam -- I meany Senator Brookins.

164  i STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th CENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24 : 1991 Thank you. Mr. President, this bill requires the Department of Aging vendors to perform a cost audit verifying that they meet guidelines requirin: a tWenty-seven percent administrative cost split and a seventy-threeremployee wage and benefit cost split. This costs the State nothing. No money. And I've been assured that it cost the providers very little money, if any. This is a -- a -- a -- a Department of Aging amendment.

Discussion? Sena 'tor Topinka.

Yes. Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate , think this bill is in pretty good shape now. Have you may ask a question of the spohsor? Origïnally you asked to hire a CPA firm that would do this. mean any CPA firm. And it was estimated by the Department on Aglng that this would hit the budget at somewherd around million dollars. Has that been eliminated? PRESIDENT ROCKZ senator Bràokins.

Yes. That Was never a part of this bill in the beginnùnq, and the direetor and I can reier to -- Senator Schuneman has assured us that this Will not happen.

Senator Schuneman.

Thank youg Mr. Presàdent. Just to reiterate what the sponsor has just said. Director Korth came by yesterday, and We spoke about my eoneern khicb was that this bill miqht place the responsibility on some of'these small providers to secure a CPA audit. And he assured me that that was not his intention, and that would not be the requirement of the department. I that 16b  1 . ! STATE OF ILLINOIS 87*h GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legkslatkve Day May 24, 1991 has taken care of my objection to the bill. PRESIDENT ROCK: Senator DeAngelis. SENATOR DeANGELIS: Well, it hasn't taken care of mine. I think there's still a substantial cost to tbis. The audit still has to be eonducted. Who pays for that? PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Brookins may çlose. SENATOR BROOKINS: Thank you. To Senator Dehngelis - the department already requires this information. It would -- just means that tbe providers would have to put it in a formal type letter and give it to the departmen: so that they can be assured that this has taken place. That's what it is about. So there would be no substantial cost outside of their accountants right now that they are doing this, in my opinion. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Question is, shall Sepate Bill 1125 pass. Those in favor will vote Aye. Those opposed, Nay. The voting is open. Have al1 voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have a11 voted who wish? Take the record. On that question, the Ayes are 36 , the Nays are 11, 2 voting Prekent. Senate Bill 1125, having received the required constitutiopal majority, is declared passed. Senate Bill 1127, Madam Secretary. A11 right. Senator Woodyard . SENATOR %OODYARD: Thank you, Mr. Presidèntr Members of the Senate. This is one of two very similar ethanol bills that provides that two-pereent incentive to the year 2000. Senator Joyce's bill Went out. His takes that incentive 1998. This bill did receive 28 29 votes, and there were some folks, at least over here, that wanted another chance to vote on this bill and send it over to the House. 166 1 I STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33:d Legkslative Day May 24, 1991 PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Is there discussion? Senator Cullerton. SENATOR CULLERTON; Didn't Senator Joyce's bill do the same thing. and isn 't lt already over in the -- in the House? PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Woodyard. SENATOR WOODYARD: Senator Cullerton, I mentioned in my remarks that they are two vety similar bills. There's a two-year time differential. That's the only differenee. And I eertainly supported his bill, and hope he will mine. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) A1l right. Senator Geo-Karis. A11 right. The question is, shall Senate Bill 1127 pass. Those in favor Will vote Aye. Those opposed, Nay. The voting is open. Have a11 voted who wish? Have a1l voted who wish? Have a11 voted who wish? Take the record. On that question, the Ayes are 33, the Nays are l2, none votinq Present. Senate Bill 1127, having received the required eonstitutional majorityt is declared passed. 1150. Senator Cullerton. 1224. Senator Smith. Senator Dunn. 144: . All right. Motions in WritinM. Leave of the Body, We've completed the consideration postponed and move to the Order of Motions in Writing. Madam Secretary. I'm sorry. Senator Smith, for what purpose do you arise? SENATOR SMITH : You overlocked my bill. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) No. I called your bill, Senator Smith, but apparently let's go baek. Senator Smith Wishes to have a run at her bill on Consideration Postponed. Senate Bill 1224. Senator smith. SENATOR SMITH :  STATE OF ILLINQIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24, 1991 1 can. May 12

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Smith.

Thank you, Mr. President and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. I brouqht this bill baek, because this bïll prohibits the Department on Aging from eliminating serviees to elderly who were grandfathered in the services through the Community Care Program, which -- when eligibility requirements were changed. This bill Would prevent the estimated one thousand eight hundred persons elderly people from losing services this year. Many of these people are surviving with -- out of nursing homeg -- outside of nursing homes, because of the servkces they receive, such as dekivered meals and housekeeping. Now, said about the -- about amount of money. But in the past eight yearsy the department has lapsed a total of 52.9 million dollars, Which is an -- an averaqe of 8.8 million per year. In Piscal Year 986, the program lapsed 33.7 million dollars. They eertainly have enough money to finanee this program. I ask for your favorite Ksicl vote.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Is there discussion? If not, the question is, shall Senate Bill -- well, again, al1 you have to do is turn your lights on and -- and -- and it'll -- it'1l Work. Senator Topinka.

Yes.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) A11 tbe time. Senator Topinka. SENATOR TOPINKA; Mr. President: Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate, again, this is 2.9 million dollars. The Department on Aginq has most of these serviees budgeted in other areas. The director -- you know -- told me that as late as yesterday. I don't think we need this. 168  STATE OP ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legàslative Day May 24, 1991 It is -- it's money we just donlt have. It Was a problem the first time this bill eame around. It is a problem now. I would encourage a No vote.

PRESIDING OEPICER: (SENKiGR DEMUZIO) A11 right. Senator Smith may close.

Mr. President and Ladies of the Senate, ekghteen hundred elderly people from the ages of seventy-flve to eighty-nine are dependent upon this. And the money is there. I ask for your favorable vote.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Question is, shall Senate Bill 1224 pass. Those in favor will vote Aye. Those opposedz Nay. The voting is open. Have a11 voted Who wish? zave al1 voted Who wish? Have a11 voted who Wish? Have a11 voted Who Wksh? Take the record. 0n that question: the Ayes are 30, the Nays are 22, none voting Present. Senate Bill 1224, having received the required constltutional majorlty, is declared passed. Senator Topinka, for what purpose do you arise?

Yesy I Would seek to verify the roll call, please.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) A1l right. Senator Topinka -- Senaèor Topinka.

Yes, Senator Luft, please.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Wait a minute. Whoa. Whoa. We -- I thought -- I thought in J the interest of --7I -- I thought one of your handlers talked to you, and you Were going to withdraw your request. Senator Topinka has asked for a verification of those Members who voted in the affirmative. Madam Secretary, would you please read the list.

169 1 i i  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSPRIPT 33rd Legislatkve Day May 24, 1991 The following Members voted in the affirmative: Alexander, Berman, Brookins, Carroll, Collins, Cullerton, Daley, D 'Arco, del Valle, Demuzio, Thomas Dunn, Hall, Holmberg, Jacobs, Jones, J.J . Joyee, Kelly, Lechowicz, Leverenz, Luft, Macdonald, Marovitz, Newhouse, O'Daniel, Reay Severns, Smith, Vadalabene, Welch and Mr. President.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Topinka.

Senator Collins, please.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Collins is in the back of the Chamber.

Senator Luft.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Luft on the Floor?

Could Senator Luft turn his chair more in my direction? mean just. That'll do it.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) A11 right. Strike his name. On a verified roll call, there are 29 Ayes, 22 Nays, none voting Present. The bill fails. Motions in Writin: i: Senate Bill 52: 53, 54, 395, 396, 397, Madam Secretary. Senator Rock.

Thank you: Mr. Presidentr Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. The Motion in Writinq with respect to Senate Bills 54, 395. 96 and 97 are those six bills - three sponsored by myself, three by Senator Philip - that We hope will carry the amendments to the reapportionment reàponsibility for b0th the Congress, the Legislature and the Cook County judicial districts. The faet is it's been an extremely busy week. We feel - Senator Philip and  STATE 0F ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY RCGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24, 1991 feel - we need an additional week just to afford the staff the opportunity to mechanically :et the -- get the papers necessary. And I would move that the motion carry Which allows us until June 7th - that is a week fromiFriday - to address this matter. t

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) A11 right. Is there discussion? Senator Rock -- you've heard the motion as placed by Senator Rock. A1l in favor will indicate by saying Aye. Opposed, Nay. The Ayes bave it. Motion is -- motion carries, and it's so ordered. Motions in Writing to Reconsider the Vote, the bottom of the page, is Senate Bill 410. Senator -- Senator Fawell, for what purpose do you arise?

Senator Demuzio, I --'I filed a Motion in Writing today. I had been promised on sèveral occasions by -- by the Chairman of the Appropriations Committee that I Would be allowed to put an appropriation for a man who Was shot who was an employee of ours, wha is a quadriplegic, anè Who has absolutely no money, on an appropriation bill/ I had an appropriation bill ready to go. I was told I should hold it, because it Would be heard this week. And I have yet to have it heard. And noW it's the last day. You know, I -- I think this is unfair. I went in front of Ehe Appropriation Committee last week. I was -- I was assured this would happen, and now here we are: and it hasn't happened again.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) A1l right. Motions in Writing. Senate Bill 410. Senator Davidson. Senator Fawell.

You know, I'd like to get -- I'd like to get an answer. And I'd like to :et a promise that this is going to be done next Week. The man has no money, knd he was shot by a fellow employee, and he's a quadriplegic laying in the hospital. We have -- we have got an agreement on a11 parties, and it just seems to me we should l71 l ! STATE OF ILLTNOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legkslatkve Day May 24, 1991 pay our debt. PRESIDING OPFICER: (GENATOR DEMUZIO) Well, Senator FaWell. Senator Fawell, you have filed a motion today. Is that correetg 'Well, We are on the order of business of Motions in Writing, and we Will gek to it momentarily . 410. Senator Davidson. SENATOR DAVIDSON: Mr. President, I move to reconsider the vote on whieh Senate Bill 410 passed. I'd voted on *he prevailing side. PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) ! All right. As -- as everyone is aware, it takes 30 votes to reconslder. senator Rea/ SENATOR REA : Thank you, Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate . This is a bill that was amended in committee - that beeame the bill that then was amended on the Floor of the Senate that had been around here sevetal days for everybody's review. It has -- and what it does, it ahd it was voted out of here day before yeseerday. It's -- provides monies to implement Senate Bill 2277, which we established as a top priority last year. And due to some very heavy-handed lobbying, this motion has been filed. And I would ask that you vpte No on this Motion to Reconsider, since the bill had full hearing and is important to us to to certainly move ahead witb. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) A1l right. Further dlscussion? Senator Schuneman. SENATOR SCHUNEMAN : Thank you, Mr. President. rise in support of the Gentleman's motion. I think when ; this bill passedy a number of us were confused about what the tax implieatkons were in the billy and 1 think we should have a brief discussion of khat once aqain and take another vote. 172  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCZIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24z 1991

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) A11 right. Further discussion? senator Davidson may clcse.

Just to ask for a favprable vote on the vote to reconsider.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENAQOR DEMUZIO) Al1 right. Senator Davidson, having voted on tbe prevailing side, moves to reconsider the vote by whieh.senate Bill 4l0 was passed. It takes 3: affïrmative votes in order to reeonsider. Thcse in favor of the motion Will vote Aye. Those opposed will vote Nay. The voting is open. Have al1 voted who wish? Have a11 voted who wish? Have all'voted Who wish? Have a1l voted who wish? Take the record. On that guestion, the Ayes are 26, the Nays are 25, none voting Present. The Motion to Reconsider fails. Senate Bi1l 797. Senator Dudycz.

Thank you, Mr. President. Havin: voted on the prevailing side, I move to reeonside: the vote by which Senate Bill 797 was passed. PRESIDING OFPICER: 2 (SENATOR DEMUZIO) A11 right. Discussion? Can we break up the conference in front of Senator Berman? Senator Berman.

Thank you, Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. I'm the sponsor of Senate Bill 797. To refresh everyone 's memoryy thîs is a bill that provides that the Contribution Act will have a Statute of Limitations of tWo years afeer ehe person who is bad been held responsible pàys a judqment and can sue a third party. Now that a11 sounds very complicated, but to refresh your memory: Senator Keats rose and said, ''I'm just a garbage collector. Would you explain hoW this works?'' I explained it to him. I think Was one the bills that everybody listened rather carefully to, and it made sense to you yestèrday . I ask you to suppott me today and l?3 I j STATE OP ILLINOIS ! 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24, 1991 vote No on the Motion to Reconsider. PRESIDTNG OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMDZIO) All right. Senator Dudycz may close. SENATOR DUDYCZ: Roll call. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) right. Senator Dudycz, havïng voted on the prevailing side, moves to reconsider the vote by which Senate Bill 797 passed. Those in favor Will vote Aye. Those opposed will vote Nay. Tbe votin: is open. Have a1l Noted wbo wish? Have a1l voted who Wish? Have a11 voted who wish? Take the reeord . On that question, the Ayes are 29: the Nays are 27, none voting Present. The Motion to Reconsider fakts. Senate Bill 1390. Senator Severns. Page 28 is Senate Bil1 952. Senator Carroll. 952. Ohy I'm sorry . Thatfs -- thatfs -- I beg your pardon. A11 right. Senator Fawell -- Madam Secretary, has there been any additional motions that have been filed? SECRETARX HAWKER: A motkon by Senator Fàwell filed this mornkng. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Read the motion. SECRETKRX HAWKER: I move to disebarge the Committee on Appropriations from further consideration of:Senate Bill 124, and that it be advanced to 2nd Reading. Filed by Senator Fawell. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Pawell. SENATOR FAWELL: Well: presume this is a mute point, but I mean I you know - - I thought I had an agxeement. I thought I had a promise from the chairman that that, if indeed, there was not qoing to be I STATE 0F ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24, 1991 any movement towards appropriating this sum of money this week that I eould call this out, and that we wouldy indeed, vote on it and -- and get the money. I Would like to have a promise, on the Floor, that next week - and I dondt care what appropriation bill is heard - that this shall be an amendment to the bill. It is a sum of money that we have long promised a man who did nothing to deserve what he -- what happened to him: except he happened to be one of our employees for the Department of Chikdren and Family Service ànd he was shot in the back by a fellow employee and -- and paralyzed from the neck on down. He is lying in a hospital and has no income. The attorney has aqreed not to take any single dime out of this. If this goes to court, you ean guarantee yourself that it's qoing to be three to four times as much. And if I don't get some action pretty soon, I'm goinq to tell the attorney, file your damn motion and get more money. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) A11 rigbt. Discussion on the motion? Senator Carroll. SENATOR CARROLL: It has been suggested that I ask Senator Fawell how she voted on the semiautomatic machine gun bill, but won't. Instead of that, 1'11 just identify that it is in the House bill that has come over, and it Wipl be heard in committee. It's in the House bill alreadyy and it -- and it's in the Senate committee. House Bill 375 contains and it will be heard in committee. PRESIDING OFFICER; (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senakor Pawell. Senator Pawell. SENATOR FAWELL: And when are We goin: to vote on this? You promised me that it would be voted on this week. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senakor Fawell, let -- 1et me just point out - with respect to your motion - that if it -- if it were to prevail, the bill would 175  t i STATE op ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLX REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT l 33rd Legislative Day May 24, 1991 go to the Order of 2nd Reading, and there isn't enough time in order for it to be considered. Senator Carroll has indicated it - - it's come over ln the House bill, and it's going to be heard. What is your pleasure? Senator Fawell. SENATOR PAWELL: I would like to move it. I Would like to move -- first of all, I'd like to make the -- the motion that We vote on it, and then I'd like to move it to 3rd right away: and Ifd like to get it passed. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Fawell has moved to diseharge the Committee on Appropriations I from further eonsideration of Senaee Bill 124 and that it be advanced to the Order of 2nd Reading. Those in favor Wk1l vote Rye. Those opposed will vote Nay. The voting is open. It takes 30 votes. Have all voted Who Wish? Have a11 voted who wish? Have a11 voted who wish? Take the record. 0n that question, the Ayes are 30z the says are 1, l voting Present. The motion prevails, and Appropriations I will be dischargedr and the bill Will be on the Order of 2nd Reading. Madam Secretary, has there been any -- you have more -- addltional. Resolutions. SECRETARY HAWKER: ' Senate Resolution 4-3-2 offered by Senator de1 Valle. Senate Resolution 4-3-3 offered by Senators Dudycz, Raica, Lechowicz and others. Senate Resolution 434 offered by Senator Rea. Senate Resolution 435 offered by Senator Waodyard. Senate Resolution 436 offered by Senator Woodyard. Senate Resolutlon 437 offered by Senator Woodyard. Theybre all conqratulatory and death resolutions. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Consent Calendar. Have there been any objections filed to the Resolutions Consent Calendar, Madam Secretary? l76 l ! I STATE OF ILLINOIS 8?th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Bay May 24, 1991 SECRETARX HAWKER: There have been no objections filed, Mr. President. PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) ' $ A11 right. With lrave of the Body, we will add the resolutions that -- that were read in after the Resotutions Consent Calendar Was printed. Is leave granted to do that? , Leave is gtanted. Senator Vadalabene moves the adoption of the Resolutions Consent Calendar. Those in favorz indieate by saying Aye. Opposed, Nay'. The Ayes have The Resolutions Consent Calendar is adopted. Senator Philip, for What purpose do you arise? SENATOR PHILIP: Thank you, Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. As you know, Senator Hudson's wife was operated on yesterday . Shels doing well, but he is not here. And I'd like to have the ask that the record indicate that. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENKTUR DEMUZIO) Recotd wi11 so indicate. I'm sorry. Senatoz Barkhausen, for what purpose do you arise? SENATOR BARKHAUSEN: With a partiamentary inguiry. On the Order of Motions in Wrkting to Reconsider Votes was Senate Bill 1390 -- tbe -- you called the bille and the motion was not presented. I assume, that being the case, that the bill Will pass to the House as it would under our rules. Is that correct? PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) We11# the -- the motion not being called indicates that the bill as it was - as kt passed - is the final motion is the final - - final aetion in this Chamber. Yes. Committee Report. SECRETARY HAWKER: Senators Demuzio and D'Areoe Co-ahairman of the Senate Committee on the Assignment of Bills, reports the assignment of 177  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLX REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day Ma# 1991 the following House Bills to Committee: Agriculture and Conservation - House Bills 797 and 1695; Appropriations I - House Bills 376, 384, 386::393, 394, 395, 505, 545, 629, 630, 631, 632, 633, 634, 635, 636, 638, 639, 640, 641, 642, 643: 644: 645, 646, 649# 650: 651, 652, 653: 653, 654, 656, 660, 666, 808, 1048 and 388; Appropriations 11 - House Bills 378, 647: 655, 657, 658, 659: 886 and 8872 Consumer Affairs - House Bill 2531; Elementary and Secondary Education - House Bills 500, 533 pardon me -- 760: 914, 1235: 1891: 1892 and 22017 Energy and Environment - House Bills 477, 1312, 1696, 2057, 2254, 2451 and 24882 Executive Appointments House Bill 8477 Exeeutive - House Bills 714, 882, 883: 1661, 2078 and 15531. Fknance House Bklls 7 and 19107 Insurance, Pensions and Licensed Activities House Bills 1620 and 1699: Judieiary House Bills 1805, 1929: 2106, 2128 and 2605; Judiciary 11 House Bills 316, 922, 1075, 1842 and 25577 Local Governmènt - House Bills 794, 857, 1551, 1572 and 2337: Public Healthy Welfare and Corrections - House Bills 1073, 1074, 1076, 1925, 2162 and 2592: State Government Organization and Administration - House Sills 493, 743, 816, 1629 and 23497 and Transportation - Houpe Bills 1183 and 1956.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMDZIO) All right. Resosutions.

Senate Joint Resàlution No. 60. (Secretary reads SJR No. 60)

PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Rock.

Thank you, Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. I would move to suspend the rules for the immediate consideration l and adoption of Senate Joint Resolution 60. It is the adjournment resolution calling for us to return to Springfield next Wednesday. l78  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLX REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 33rd Legislative Day May 24# 1991 And I would move to suspend and adopt.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMPZIO) A1l right. Senator Rock has moved to suspend the rules for the kmmedkate eonsideration and adoption of Senate Jclnt Resolution 60. Those in favor will indicate by saykng Aye. Opposedy Nay. The Ayes have The rules are suspended. Senator Rock now moves the adoption of Senate Joint Resolution 60. Those in favor Will indieate by sayin: Aye. Opposed, Nay. The Ayes have it. Senate Resolution Ksic> 60 is adopted. Further busîness to come before the Senate? Senator Rock moves that the Senate stand adjourned until next Wednesday at the hour of noon. Senate... 179  # F -- - 3 REPORTI TIFLDAY STATE OF ILLINOIS 92/03/10 PAGEI 00t :7TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY 11:t3123 SENATE : DAILY TRANSCRIPTION 0F DEBATE IRDEX #AY 2$m 1991 .. H:-0007 FIRST REAOING PAGE 3 HB-0t3G FIRST RQADING PAGE 3 H:-0316 FIRST REAOING PAGE 3 . H:-0373 FIRST READING PAGE 5 H8-0376 FIRST REA:ING PAGE 3 H3-037* FIRST READING P4GE 3 HB-O38# FIRST REAOING PAGE 3 H8-0386 FIRST READING PAGE 3 . H8-0388 FIRST REAOING PAGE 3 H8-0393 FIRST READING PAGE # . HB-039* FIRSK REAOING PAGE 4 ' H8-0395 FIRST READING PAGE # -'HB-0*77 FIRGT REAOING PAGE # H8-i)#93 FIRST READING PAGE A HB-O500 FIRST READING , PAGE 4 i 118-0505 F IRST READING PAGE f. ' H3-0533 F.Ik ST REAI)ING PAGE 4. $ H8--0545 FIRST READING PAGE 4. I HB-0629 F IRST READING PAGE # H3-0630 FIRST REAOI#G PAGE # I 1 816-0631 FIRST READING PAGE ' fi ' H 8-0632 FIRST READING h13-0633 f7IRST READING PAGE PKGE /+ /. I 1 . HE$-06%# FIRS1' REAt)ING PAGE 4 ' j F13-0635 F IRST REAOING PAGE # 1 H8-0636 F IRST REAOING PAGE 5 tHB-O&38 FIRST READING PAGE 5 H8-0639 FIRST REAOING PàGE 5 HB-064.0 FIRST REAOING PAGE 5 tiB-06fit FIRST REA9ING PAGE 5 HB-0&#2 FIRST READING PAGE 5 118-0843 FIRST READING PAGE 5 ; HB-06## FIRST REAOING PAGE 5 93-0645 F IRST R6A0 ING PAGE 5 88-064.6 F IRST READING PAGE 5 HB-C&AT FIRST READING PAGE 5 HB-06*9 F JR. 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REPQRT: TkFLDAY GTATE DF ILLINOIS 92/03/10 PAGE: 002 87TH GENERAL ASSENBLY 1::13:23 SENAIE DAILY TRANSCRIPTION OF DE3ATE INDEX MAY 2#4 199: ' ' H8-10#8 FIRGT READING PAGE 7 j HB-t07% FIRST READING PAGE 7 i HB-107* FIRST READING PAGE 1 : HB-t0T5 FIRST READING PAGE 7 1 HB-1 :0 t7 86 3 FIRG ST READI DtNG PAGE 7 1 H8-1235 FIRST READING PAGE 7 HB-t3t2 FIRST REABING PAGE 7 HB-1551 FIRST READING PAGE 1 H8-:572 FIRST READING PAGE 8 H8-1620 FIRST READING PAGE 8 . H8-:629 FIRST REA9tNG PAGE 8 HB-166t FIRST REAOING PAGE 8 ' H8-1695 FtRST REAOING P&GE 8 88-1696 FIRST READING 88-1699 FIRST READING PAGE PAGE 8 8 i HB-t805 FIRST READING P4GE 8 HB-t842 FIRST READING PAGE 8 HB-1891 FIRST READING PAGE 8 88-1892 FIRST READING PAGE 8 HB*l910 FIRST READING PAGE 8 H8-1925 FIRST REAOING 'PAGE 8 H:-1929 FIRST READING PAGE 8 - H3-1956 FIRST READING . PAGE 8 H8-2057 FIRST READING PAGE 9 H8-2078 FIRST READING PAGE 9 HB-2l06 FIRST READING PAGE 9 83-2128 FIRST READING PAGE 9 I 1 HB-21&2 FIRST READING PJGE 9 HB-220l FIRST READING PAGE 9 H8-2254 FIRST READING PAGE 9 88-2337 FIRST READING P&GE 9 ' H8-23*9 FIRST READING PAGE 9 ! I HB-2*51 FIRGT READING PAGE 9 83-2*88 FIRST READING PAGE 9 ! H3-2531 FIRST READING PNGE 9 %88-2553 FIRST READING PAGE 9 88*2557 FIRST READING PAGE 9 I H 88-2592 FIRST 2605 - FIRST READING READING PAGE PAGE 9 9 j I ? S8-O0lO THIRD READING PAGE 95 I SB-00l1 THIRD READING PAGE 96 I :8-0022 THIRO READING - PzG6 98 S:-003T THIRD READING PAGE 10# I SB-D0*2 THIRD READING PAGE 10 i . sB-oo52 M/TION PAGE tY0 1 53-0053 MOTION PAGE l70 . :3-0054 MOTION PAGE l70 ! w SB-O078 THIRD READING PAGE 10 SB-0t06 THIRO READING PAGE 10 1 SB-0t16 THIRD READING PAGE l05 53-0:2# X0TION PAGE k7# SB-0l30 THIRD READING PAGE 106 i 58-û132 THIRO REAUING SB-0t&o THIRD READING PAGE PAGE 110 ll0 1 S8-01T0 POSTPONED CONSIDERATION PAGE l&0 SB-0tT5 THIRD READING PAGE tl# SB-0t95 THIRD READING - S6-020G THIRD kEADING PAGE PAGE 115 l1ë 1 ' SB-021# THIRD READING PAGE 12t j 58-0259 THIRD READING PAGE 10 58-0261 THIRD READING PAGE l25 58-026: THIRD RE&DING PAGE t0 i SB-02;0 TABLED PAGE l3O i  .'t *'*l.i C REpoRr: y!FLpAy syAi: og zLkzxots 9zzo3yto PAGE: 003 8YTH GENERAL ASSEMBLY :1:13:23 SENATE DAILY TRNNSCRIPTION OF DEBATE INDEX MAY 2#* 1991 SB-02Tt THIRD READING PAGE 13O ,58-0299 THIRD READING PAGE :3 t 58-0309 THIR1) .READ ING PAGE 132 ' 53-0330 ' rHlRD READING PAGE l3# - SB-03- f8 T'HIR0 REAOING PAGE 10 ' 58-0380 THIRD READING PAGE l39 58-0393 THIRD READING ' PAGE l*0 58-0395 f4OTI0N PAGE t70 58-0396 MOTION PAGE l70 58-0397 XOTION PAGE 17O u Si s-tlGto M0TIoN PAGE 172 SB-0:2G THIRD READING PAGE 10 SB-044.5 POSTPONED CONSIOERATION PAGE l80 . SB-04.6t) THIRD READ. ING PAGE 10 ' x ,58-0*87 THIRD I IEADING PAGE 10 ,SB-05t0 I 'HIRD READING PAGE 10 53-055 t THIRD READING PAGE t0 ' 5:-0558 THlRD READING PAGE L() 58-0588 TijlRD READING PAGE 14 1 SB-059tTHlRD READING PAGE 11 I SB-D598 THIRD READING PAGE 1.4.2 l . SB-O6O L THIRD REAOING PAGE tl 3B- 0r;23 1'H IR() RE4D 1NG PAG E 11 SB-O651 THIRD READING PAGE tty/. SB-0698 THIRD READING PAGE t#7 SB-0702 POSTPONED CONSIDERATISN PAGE 16l SB-OT13 THIRD READING PAGE 11 SB-072() POSTPONED CONS IDERATION PAGE :62 53-0753 THIRD READING PAGE 1t SB-07T8 THIRD READING St$-0T90 THIRD READING PAGE PAGE 11 15 1 ! ' . ' SB-0-l97 p101'I0N PAGE :- 13 SB-08l2 THIRD READING PAGE t5# 58-0832 THIRD READING PAGE lt - $3-08-13 THIRD READING PAGE 1t SB-0915 THIRD READING PAGE l1 53-0930 THIRD READING PAGE 11 58-09#2 POSTPONED CONS IDERATION PAGE t63 58-0955 TH.IRD R6Ai)fNG PAGE 156 1 SB-09&1 THIR0 READING PAGE 1t I S8-:962 THIRD READING PAGE 15; ; 58-0985 THlRD READING PAGE 1.t . 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PAGE 36 58-1328 THIRO READING G8-t330 THIRD READING PAGE PAGE 3T 40 ' 1 i ' !  . ..,?F't REPORT: TIFLOAY STATE GF ILLINOIS 92/03710 PAGEZ 00# 87TH GFNERAL ASSEH:LY l1I15r2a SENATE 04fLT TQANSCRIPTJON OF DEBATE LNOEX MAY 2#* t99t SB-t33l THIRD READING 53-1338 THIRD READING SB-t349 THIRO READING :8-:382 THIRD REAOING 58-:392 THIRD READING SB-t#2# THIRD READING SB-t#2& THIRD READING 58-1135 THIRD READING SB-t#37 THIRO READING SB-t*4û IHIRO READING SB-l#&3 THIRD READING '. SB-l*5# THJRD READING 58-1*59 THIRD READING SB-l*61 THIRD READING 53-1*62 THIRO READING S:-l#b5 THIRO REAOING . 3B-t#67 THIRD READING SR-0G24 RESOLUfION OFFEREO . SR-0428 RESOLUTION QFFERE: 5R-0429 RESOLUTION OFFERED . SR-0ç3û RFGOLUTION OFFERE: . SR-0#31 RESOLUTION OFFERED - SR-ûG32 RESOLUTION GFFEREO 5R-0:33 RESOLUTION OFFERED - SR-û#3# RESOLUTION OFFERED SR-0#35 RESCLUTION OFFERED ' SR-0*38 RESOLUTION OFFERED 3R-0G3; RESOLUTIOR OFFERED HJR-00t5 RESOLUTIOR OFFERED SJR-Q059 RESGLOTION OFFERED SJR-0060 ADDPTEO GJR-OO60 RESOLUTION OFFERED SUBJECT MATTER . SENATE TD ORDER - SENATOR OEMUZIO PAGE 1 PRAYER - REVEREND BARRIE L. H6ST PAGE l JOURNALS - POSTPONED PAGE 1 MESSAGES F20R THE HOOSE PAGE 1 COMMITTEE REPORTS PAGE 2 ' RESOLUTIONS CONSENT CALENOAR - ADOPTED PAGE 1?7 COMMITTEE RQPORTS P4G6 t?T ADJOURNMENT PAGE 1T9 1 !