Illinois Senate Floor Debate — June 25, 1991

The hour of nine-thirty having arrived, the Senate will please came to order. Will the Members be at their desks, and will our guests in the gallery please rise. Our prayer this morning by Father Hugh Cassidy, Blessed Sacrament Church, Springfieldr Illinois. Father.

(Prayer by Pather Hugh Cassidy)

Thank you, Father. Reading of the Journal, Madam Secretary. Senator Hall.

Thank you, Mr. President. I move that reading and approval of the Journals of Wednesday, June 19th2 Thursday, June the 20th: Friday, June the 21st7 and Monday, June the 24th, in the year 1991, be postponed, pending arrlval of the printed Journals.

You 've heard the motion as placed by Senator Hall. Is there any discussion? If not, al1 in favor, indicate by saying Aye. Al1 opposed. The Ayes have it. The motion carries, and it is So ordered. Resolutions.

Senate Resolution 582 offered by Senator Hall. And Senate Resolution 583 offered by Senator Vadalabene. They're both congratulatory.

Consent Calendar. Messages from the House.

Message from the House by Mr. O'Brien, Clerk. Mr. President I am directed to inform the Senate that the Hause of Representatlves has concurred with the Senate in the passaqe of a bill of the following title, to wit:  STATE OP ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25, 1991 Senate Bi11 133 With House Amendment have like Messages on: Senate Bill 258 with House Amendments l and 27 Senate Bill 30l with House Amendment 1: Senake Bill 302 with House Amendment Senate Bill 303 with House Amendment Senate Bill 304 with House Amendment Senate Bill 305 with House Amendment Senate Bill 306 With House Amendment 17 Senate Bill 308 with House Amendment Senate Bill 3l0 with House Amendmenk Senate Bill 31l With House Amendment 1; Senate 3ill 334 with House Amendments 1, 2 and 4) Senate Bill 336 wtth House Amendment Senate Bill 337 with House Amendment 2: Senake Bill 338 with House Anendment Senate Bill 339 with House Amendments 1y 3 and 4) Senate Bill 340 with House Amendments 1, 2, 3 and 4; Senate Bill 34l with House Amendments l and 27 Senate Bill 342 With House Amendments lz 2 and 3; Senate Bill 343 With House Amendment Senake Bill 344 With House Amendment 17 Senate Bi1l 345 With House Amendment Senate Bill 346 With House Amendment Senate Bill 347 with House Amendments 1, 2 and 37 Senate Bill 348 with House Amendments 1, 2, 3 and 4) Senate Bill 349 with House Amendment Senate Bill 350 with House Amendment Senate Bill 352 with House Amendments l and 2: Senate Bkll 353 wkth House hmendment Senate Bill 354 with House Amendment Senate Bill 355 with House Amendment 27 2  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25, 1991 Senate Bi11 356 With House Amendments l and Senate Bill 35? with House Amendment 17 Senate Bl11 35% with House Amendment 2) Senate Bill 359 with House Amendment 1: Senate Bill 360 with House Amendment 2: Senate Bill 361 with House Amendment 1; Senate Bill 363 with House Amendment 1: Senate Bill 364 with House Amendments 1, 2g 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 and ll; Senate Bill 365 With House Amendment 1; Senate Bill 366 With House Aaendments 1, 6 and Senate Bill 367 with House Amendments 1, 2 and 37 Senate Bill 368 With House Amendments 1 and Senate Bill 369 with House Amendment Senate Bill 370 with House Amendment Senaee Bill 37l with House Amendments 1, 2, 4, 6 and Senate Bill 372 with House Amendments 3, 6, and 8: Senate Bkll 373 Wkth House Amendments 1 and 27 Senate Bill 374 With House Amendments 1, 2, 3 and 57 Senate Bi1l 409 with House Amendments l through 6, 9 and l0; Senate Bill 440 with House Amendment Senate Bill 629 With House Amendments l and 6; Senate Bill 956 with House Amendment Senate Bill 958 With House Aaendment Senate Bill 959 with House Amendment And Senate Bill 1341 with House Amendment No. A11 passed the House, as aRended, June 24# 1991.

Tt now l0:û0 a.m. on Tuesday. June 25th. We Will begin on the Order of House Bills 2nd Reading: and I needn't remind anybodyy I hope, that tomorrow is khe deadline for consideration Of House Bills, so that indeed you have a bill on 2nd# would 3  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 5ûth Leqislative Day June 25, 1991 be the appropriate day to move Then we will go to the Order of Recalls, and then we will go to the Order of 3rd Reading. 0n the Order of House Bills 2nd Reading that's Page 14 on the Calendar, Ladies and Gentlemen. Page l4. 214. Senator Maitland. 550. Senator Marovitz. 841. Senator Joyee. 1196. With leave of the Body, wefll get back to that one. I'm waiting for Senators Barkhausen and Keats. 1249. Senator Luft. 1449. Senator Macdonald. 1512. Senator Woodyard. 1587. Senator Alexander. 1838. Senator Luft. 1852. Senator Geo-Karis. 2239. Senator Cullerton. 2362. Senator Luft. 2433. Senator Berman. 2434. Senator Berman. 2435. Senator Berman. 2436. 2441. 2491. Senator Jerome Joyce.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) On the Order of House Bills 2nd Reading is House Bi1l 1196, Madam Secretary. Read the bill.

House Bill 1196. (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Reading of the bill. The Committee on Judiciary offers Committee Amendment No.

PRESIDTNG OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Rock.

Thank you, Mr. President, Ladies and Centlemen of the Senate. House Bill 1196 deals Witb the -- a proposed change in the statute of limitations: or the statute of repose, wlth respect to produets liability claims or potential products liability claims as relaees to latent diseases, most particularly asbestosis. Amendment No. - - Madam Secretary, would you read the amendment? Just the underlined part, so I know which one. There are tWo committee amendments.

4  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLX REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25, 1991 ''Product seller'd and ''(g) In a products liability claim.''

Okay. This is an amendment that was at the request of the Illinois Retail Merehants - the idea being to narrow the scope of this proposed change in the statute of repose. This amendment is not objected to by anyone, and I Would move its adoption.

PRESIDIHG OFPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Rock has moved the adoption of Committee Amendment Na. l to House Bill 1196. Is there discussion? If not: those in favor will indicate by saying Aye. Opposed, Nay. The Ayes have it. Committee Amendment No. is adopted. Purther committee amendments?

Commit*ee Amendment No. 2. PRESIDING OFFICERI (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Rock.

Thank you, Mr. President and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. This, too, is an agreed amendment. Again,.the attempt is to limit the scope of thls proposed change to only a couple of potential chemieal latent disease instances. And I again -- there is no objection, and would move the adoption of Committee Amendment No. 2.

PRESIDINC OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Discussion? Senator Geo-Karis.

Will the sponsor yield for a question?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Indieates he Will yield. Senator Geo-Karis.

Amendment No. 2 does -- does it limit it? Does it put a time limit? The Way the bill is -- was origlnally, Senator Rock, 5  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENZRAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25r 1991 if you'll recally it was awful loose. There Was no time limit. mean, they could come in and bring a claim at any time. And it worries me. Does this amendment restructure that or not?

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Rock.

Senator, We're 9oin9 to deal with that witb Amendment No. At the request of the conmittee members, Amendnent No. 3 Wl1l -- willv honor the commitment I made in committee to to# again, severely limit. This -- this amendment limits the scope of and agaln, there's no objection by anybody. And I would again move the adoption of Committee Amendment No. 2.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) All right. Senator Rock has moved the adoption of Committee Amendment No. 2. Further discussion? If not, those in favor will indicate by saying Aye. Opposedy Nay. The Ayes have it. Committee Amendment No. 2 is adopted. Further ccmmlttee amendments?

No further committee amendments.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Any amendments from the Floor?

Senator Keats offers Amendment No.

PRESIDJNG OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Keats. senator Rock.

Thank you. I have diseussed thks wkth Senator Keats, and I'd ask at this time that the amendment be on his behalf, be withdrawn, and I will publicly agree to call this bill back tomorrow to afford him the opportunity to state his case. have indicated to him that my legal opinion, the amendment is 6  STATE 0F ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSZMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT sûth Legislative Day June 25, 1991 non-germane. So *e will deal with that when he's able to defend himself. But in khe meantime, ask that it be Withdrawn.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Al1 right. Senator Geo-xaris, for what purpose do you arise?

Would khe sponsor yield for a question?

PRESIDING GFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Sponsor indicates he Will yield. Senator Geo-Karis.

Senator Rock, did I understand you correctly to say earlier that my concerns abouk time limits would be taken care of by Amendment No. 3? Is this the same No. 3 that Keats has: or is there another No. 3?

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Rock.

Senator Keats beat me to the filing punch. My -- my Amendment No. 3 is the one that will answer your concern. Senator Keats, fact, just filed earlier than I did.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) All right. Senator Geo-Karis. SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Wonder if you could have your staff give me a eopy of your Amendment No. 3. Thank you.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) All right. Senator Rock seeks leave to withdraw Amendmene No. 3. Amendment No. 3Is withdrawn. Further amendments?

Amendment No. 3 offered by Senator Barkhausen.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Barkhausen.

7  STATE OP ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25, 1991 Mr. President and Members, this amendment is an attempt to enact a small piece of changes that many of us would like to see in our product liability laws. It's referred to generally as a governmental standards defense. What Amendment No. 3 would provlde is that -- that there would be a presumptlon in any product liability case that -- where a product that alleqedly has caused harm has been approved by a Federal or a State Statute or a federal or a State agency, that a presumption would exlst that -- that this product did not cause such harm: and such presumption could be overcome by clear and convincing evidence khat the manufacturer or the seller of the product intentionally withheld information from the approving agency. As I say, this is -- this is a small piece of -- and only a very partial, and I think somewhat timid, step in the direction of -- of more comprehensive product liability reform that many of us are interested in, but I think it is worthwhile to -- to at least offer this as a way of hopefully beginning some discussion on this important subject. Nould be glad to answer your questions, anG would otherwise urge its adoption. PRESIDING OPPICERt (SENATOR DEMUZIO) A11 right. Discussion? Senator Rock.

Well, I would -- I would -- thank you, Mr. Presidenk. I would request of the Chair a ruling to the effect that this proposed amendment, as timld as the Senator indicated might be, is, in fact, non-germane. The subject makter of House Bill 1196, as an amendment to the -- Code of Civil Procedure, deals solely with the question of the statute of repose. And what the Senator is proposing here is literally a substantive change in khe law of products liability. And I might point out - just to speak to the amendment itself the fact is, if -- if, indeed , this were the law, the pharmaceutlcal manufaeturer of thalidomide - and I'm sure 8  STATE OP ILLINOIS 87th CENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT %oth Legislative Day June 25, 1991 everybody's familiar with that eause of action - would have been insulated from any liability under this proposed amendment. Now what I'm suggesting is that I am not prepared to argue in depth the 1aw of products liabllity. If the Senator wants to introduce a bill and go into all this, 1'm perfectly happy to accommodate. But the fact is Amendment No. 3 as proposed is simply not germane to the subject matter that's contained in House Bill 1196, and would request that the Chair so rule.

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Al1 right. Senator Barkhausen.

Mr. President: of course the faet of the matter is that the amendment, as well as the bill, both deal with the Cade of Civil Procedure. The fact that the amendment doesn't deal speeifleally with the statute of repose is -- is not really - or should not be an lssue. The fact of the matter is that amendments are always germane when they deal with the same chapter of the Illinois Revised Statutes: as this one does.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Barkhausen, my Parliamentarian indicates that the argument that is made by Senator Rock is a proper one, and therefore the Chair rules that the amendment ls non-germane. Further amendments?

Amendment No. 4 offered by Senator Keats.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Rock.

Again: I would ask that that be withdrawn. I will afford the Senatar an opportunity tomorrow to -- call back and he can have a shot at it. My judgment is: againy that that one's not germane either. But We can argue that tomorrow . 9  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25, 1991

PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Al1 right. Senator Rock seeks leave to Withdraw Amendment No . 4. Leave is granted. Amendment No. 4 is granted -- it is witbdrawn. Further amendments?

Amendment No. 4 offered by Senator Rock.

PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Rock.

Senator Geo-Karis, this is the amendment that I committed to offer in Committee. As you will recall, the most notable opposition to this proposal eoncerned itself with the -- with the expressed proposition in the bill that there would be a revival of causes of action. This deletes that altogether. So there is no - even a...tinaudiblel.voof the question of reviving causes of action for latene diseases caused by exposure that were barred currently barred because of a limitation period that currently exists. think this makes the bill simply a prospective chanse the statute of repose in -- in this limited instance. And this amendment indeed honors the commitment that was made in committee, and I would move its adoption.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) A11 right. Discussion? Senator Senator Hawkinson.

Thank you, Mr. President. Will the sponsor yiel; for a question?

PRESIDING OEFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Indicates he Will yield. Senator HaWkinson.

Senator, on that polnt, there was a separate paragraph on revival of actions, and I understand that your amendment deletes thak paragraph. There was language a couple of paragraphs above 10  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GZNERAL ASSZMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25, 1991 that that some were concerned would, in effecer allow ehe revival of actions. didn't read it that way, and I -- I suspeet you dan't -- don't either. But for purposes of legislative intent, the the discovery period rule that would allow the bringing of ehese actions within two years of dkscovery is not intended to allow the revival of any actions that are eurrently barred by the statute of repose.

PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Rock.

That is absolutely correct, and I thlnk the amendment reflects that. There is a change -- that paragraph was deleted, and there was a change within the lines 14, 15 and 16 to reflect that. Yes, sir.

PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) All right. Purther discussion? Senator Geo-Karis. SENATOR GEO-EARTSJ Just -- Senator Rock: I Wonder f could send sonecne over get a copy of that.Amendment 4. ' And Ifd like to read it# because don't have it on my desk.

PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Al1 right. Further discussion? Senator Rock has moved the adoption of Amendment No. 4. Those ln favor will indicate by saying Aye. Opposed, Nay. The Ayes have it. Amendment No. 4 is adopted. Further amendments?

No further amendments.

PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATQR DEMUZIO) 3rd Reading. Senator Maedonald, on 1449? On the Order of House Bills 2nd Reading is House Bill 1449, Madam Secretary.

House Bill 1449. 11  STATE 0F ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25# 1991 (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Reading of khe bill. No committee amendments.

PRESIDINC OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMDZIO) Any amendments from the Floor?

Senator Macdonald offers Amendment No. 1.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Macdonald.

Thank you, Mr. President. This amendment has been negotiated over several weeks - actually a m'onth or so - in trying to eome up with an equitable fee for the Department of Nuclear Safety to oversee thirteen nuclear power plants. That -- the fee has now been established. In 1993, the fee -- '91-'92, the fee will go up to nine hundred and twenty-five thousand; in '93 - nine hundred and seventy-five thousand; '94 - one million ten thousand; '95 - one million sixty thousand; in '96 - one million one bundred and ten thousand. So, I would ask for your concurrence on this amendment.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) All right. Senator Macdonald has moved the adoption of Amendment No. Is there a discussion? If not: those in favor Wi11 indicate by saying Aye. Opposed, Nay. The Ayes have it. Amendment No . 1 is adopted. Purther amendments?

No further amendments.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) 3rd Reading. WICS-TV, WAND have requested permission to videotape -- today. Is leave granted? Leave is granted . With leave of the Body, wedll now go to the Order of Recalls. The Recall List has been passed out. It should be on eaeh Member's desk. So# with leave, we'll go to the Order of House Bills 3rd 12  STATE OP ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25, 1991 Readinq. Page 6. 244. Senator D'Areo. Senator D'Arco on the Floor? 883. Senator Collins. Senator Collins on the Ploor? 1297. On the Order of Recatls, Page 9. About the middle of Page 9 is House Bill 1297. Senator Carroll has sought leave of the Body to return House Bill 1297 to the Order of 2nd Reading for the purpose of an amendment. Is leave granted? Leave is granted. House Bills 2nd Reading is House Bill 1297, Madam Secretary.

Amendment No. 3 offered by Senator Severns.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Severns. SENATOR SEVERNS) Thank you: Mr. President: Members of the Senate. I'd request leave, first of alle to Table Amendment No. 2 before proceeding with the amendment at hand.

PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) A11 right. Senator Severns, having voted on the prevailing sidee moves to reconsider the vote by which Amendment No. 2 was adopted. A11 in favor, indicate by sayinq Aye. Opposed' .Nay. The Ayes have it. The vote is reconsidered. Senator Severns now moves to Table Amendment No. 2. Those in favor will indieate by sayinq Aye. Opposed, Nay. The Ayes have Amendment No. Tabled. Further amendments?

Amendment No. offered by Senator Severns.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Severns.

Thank you, Mr. President, Members of the Senate. This amendment is simply technical. There is no opposition, and I would urge its adoption.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) 13  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th CEKERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25, 1991 Senator Severns has moved the adoption of Amendment No. Discussion? not, those in favor will indicate by saying Aye. Opposed, Nay. The Ayes have it. Amendment No. 3 is adopted. Further amendments?

No further amendments.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) 3rd Reading. 1352. Senator Hawkinson. On Page 9. 1352. Senator Hawkinson seeks leave of the Body to return House Bill 1352 to the Order of 2nd Reading for the purpose of an amendment. Is leave grantedz Leave is granted. On the Order oE House Bills 2nd Reading is House Bill 1352, Madam Secretary.

Amendment No . 1 offered by Senator Hawkinson. PRESTDING OPFTCERI (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Hawkinson.

Thank you, Mr. President. House Bill 1352 was a bill to allow the Department oE Public Aid to :et direct child support .payments through the clerk's office. It passed easily in the House, but the clerks have suggested that there need to be some changes the bill. So I'm offering Amendment No. 1 to strip the bill and make it a shell bill to send it into conference committee if we can reaeh some agreement between the Department and the clerks. And I would ask for its adoption.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (6CNATOR DEMDZIO) Senator Hawkknson has moved the adoption of Amendment No. Is there discussion? If not, those in favor w1ll indicate by saying Aye. Opposed, Nay. The Ayes have it. Amendment No. is adcpted. Further amendments?

No further amendments. 14  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25, 1991

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) 3rd Reading. Page 10, 1514. Senator Leverenz. Senator Leverenz on the Floor? 1362 Ksic> (1632). Senator Dunn. On the Order of -- all right. Senator Dunn, on the middle of Page 10, seeks leave of the Body to return House Bill 1632 to the Order of 2nd Reading for the purpose of an amendment. Is leave granted? Leave is granted. On the Order of House Bills 2nd Reading is House Bill 1632, Madam Secretary.

Amendment No . 2 offered by Senator Thomas Dunn. PRESIDING OFPICERJ (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Dunn. SENATOR T. DUNN; Thank youe Mr. President. This amendment was requested by CMS and gives them control over the eomputers that are goinq to be used in this particular project.

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) A1l right. Senator Dunn has moved the adoption of Amendment No. Is there discussion? If.not, those in favor will indieate by saying Aye. Opposed: Nay. The Ayes have it. Amendment No. 2 is adopted . Further amendments?

No further amendments.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) 3rd Reading. I'm sorry. 1696. Senator Welch. On the Order - - Senator Weleh seeks leave of the Body to reeurn House Bill 1696 to the Order of 2nd Reading for the purpose of an amendment. Is leave granted? Leave is granted. House Bills 2nd Reading is House Bill 1696, Madam Secretary.

Amendment No. l offered by Senator Welch.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) 15  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25, 1991 Senator Welch.

Thank you, Mr. President. What this amendment does is change the b1ll that we passed out of the Senate and a companion bill that is now here in the Senate: to allow for -- under the definition of limited power producer for hydroelectric facilities, any hydroelectric facility that generates in excess of fifteen meqakatts in counties over two hundred thousand but under three hundred thousand population. There Was there is an ongoing attempt to build a hydrcelectric power supply source on the dam in Alton, and this amendment would specifically apply to that dam only. I would move adoption of the amendment.

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Welch has moved the adoption of Amendment No. Is there discussion? If not, those in favor Will -- Senator Maitland .

I -- thank youe Mr. President. I Would -- I was -- I saW you stand upr Senator %elch. This is -- and I Was not quite -- is this a version of the hydroelectric bill that we had earlier?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Welch. I'm sorry. Senator Welch.

This is the same bille but this is an amendment to that bill.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Mattland.

But it then becomes site specific?

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SXNATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Welch.

No# only to plants that generate more than fifteen megawatts. 16  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25w 1991 The bill ls fifteen megawatts throughoue Illinois; but in Alton, where they have a dam that can generate eighty meqawattsy as to that dam, this amendment would allow thae to be operative. It only applies -- this amendment only applies to the dam in Alton.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMDZIO) right. Further discussion? If not, Senator Welch has moved the adoption of Amendment No. 1. Those in favor Will indicate by saying Aye. Opposed, Nay. The Ayes have it. Amendment No. is adopted. Further amendments?

No further amendments.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) 3rd Reading. Page l1# is House Bill 1935. Senator Rock. Senator Rock.

Thank you. Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate, House Bill 1935, as amended, deals, of coursew with the -- with the proposal by the Metropolitan Fair and Pier Authoriey, and I am reliably advised that even as we speak, amendments -- further amendments are being drafted. So I'd ask leave of the Body to get back to this later this afternoon so that everybody will have an opportunity to address themselves to whatever they like. PRESIDING OFFICERJ (SENATOR DEMDZIO) A1l right. Senator Rock has sought leave to bring -- for 1935 for this afternoon. Leave is granted. So ordered. 2022. Senator Karpiel seeks leave of the Body to return House Blll 2022 to the Order of 2nd Reading for the purpose of an amendment. Is leave granted? Leave is granted. On Ehe Order of House Bills 2nd Reading is House Bill 2022, Madam Secretary.

Amendment No. l offered by Senator Karpiel.

PRESIDING OFFTCER: (SENATOR DEXUZTO) 17  STATE OP ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25, 1991 Senator Karpiel.

Mr. President, I just gave that amendmenk to one of our staffers to look at for me. Could we get right back to that one? I don't have a copy in my hand right now.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) A1l right.

I can tell you what it does. What the amendment does is to say that the Department of Nuclear Safety can charge a fee for the - - here, I've got a copy. Thank you. It really has to do with the Kerr-McGee situation, and says that the Department can charge a fee for sufficient to cover the expenses incurred by the Department in conjunction with monitoring this contaminated by-produet material. That's what says.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) All right. Senator Karpiel has moved the adoption of Aaendment No. 1. Diseussion? Senator Welch.

Tbank you, Mr. President. I was Wondering what the fee was, how much it's going to generate, Where the fee is going to go.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Karpiel

The fee is not stated in this amendment. It is left up to the Department's discretion. And it says that it will go to ehe Department to for the expenses in conjunction with monitoring this contaminated by-product materfal and overseeinq the decontamination of such unlicensed properties.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR LECHOWICZ) Senator Welch. SENATOR WELCH:  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25, 1991 Well, isn't this a Super Fund site, and if so, why are we coming up with State fees separately from the Federal Super Fund list?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) A1l right. Senator Karpiel.

This site in not on the Super Fund list. There are a few small off-site sites that are on the Super Fund list - you know, in people 's yards, et cetera and around the area - but the actual factory site is not on the list.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Welch.

In committee, I Was under the impression that you said yOu were going to hold this on 3rd as a -- Damoclean sword over Kerr-McGee, in case they didn't live up to removing the thorium tailings. Are you going to move it forward now, or what's going to happen?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Karpiel.

Senator Welch, I'm going to be very frank With you. My bill is on 3rd, and I've left it there for the reason you stated . I had intended to leave the House Bill versiony Which this is, in the same situation. The Department has asked me to put this amendment on. since kt so late in the Gession and in the process, I am puttins it on, but I'm not so sure I'm in favor of it myself, and perhaps may just Table the bill When it comes up on 3rd Reading.

A11 right. The Lady's moved the adoption of Amendment No . 1 to House Bill 2022. Further discussion? If not, all in favor, 19  STATE OF ILLINOIS I 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25, 1991 indicate by saying Aye. Al1 opposed. The Ayes have it. The amendment's adopted. Further amendments?

No further amendments. PRESIDENT ROCK: I 3rd Reading. Middle of Page l2. Senator Savickas seeks leave of the Body to return House Bill 2169 to the Order of 2nd Reading for purposes of an amendment. Is leave granted? Leave is granted. On the Order of House Bills 2nd Reading is House Bill 2169, Madam Secretary.

Amendment No. 1 offered by Senator Savickas.

Senator Savickas, on Amendment No. 1.

Yes, Mr. President, Members of the Senate, this amendment was brought to me by the representatives of the municipal library, and it conforms and cross-references this Act to the Municipal Code. And I would move its adoption.

Senator Savickas has moved the adoption of Amendment No. l ta House Bi11 2169. Discussion? If not, al1 in favor, lndicate by saying Aye. A11 opposed. The Ayes have it. The amendment's adopted. Further amendments?

No further amendments.

3rd Reading. Senator Smith, 2227, do you wish that called back? Do you wish that called back? Senator 5*1th seeks leave of the Body -- we dre in the middle of Page 12, Ladies and Gentlemen. Senator Smith seeks leave of the Body to return House Bill 2227 to the Order of 2nd Reading for purposes of an amendment. Is leave 20  STATE 0F ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRKNSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25y 1991 granted? Leave is granted. On the Order of House Bills 2nd Reading is House Bill 2227, Madam Secretary. Senator Smith.

Mr. President and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate, House Bill 2227 recalted, I'm Tabling -- want to Table Amendments 1 and 2 because of a error -- an error on them. And I'm placing 3 and 4, which will clear them up. And I ask for your approval.

All right. Senator Smith, having voted on the prevailing side, is movin: to reconsider the vote by which Committee Amendment No. l to House Bill 2227 Was adopted, for the purpose of Tabling. All in favor of the Motion to Reconstder, indicate by sayin: Aye. All opposed. The Ayes have it. The vcte is reconsidered. Senator Smith now moves to Table Committee Amendment No. 1 to House Bill 2227. Discussion? If noty all in favor of the motionz indicate by saying Aye. All opposed. The Ayes have it. Amendment No. 1 is Tabled. Committee Amendment No. 2. Senator Smith, having voted on the prevailing side, is moving to Table -- moving to reeonsider.the vote by Which Amendment No. 2 was adopted for the purpose of Tabling. Alk in favor of the Motion to Reconsider, indicate by saying Aye. Al1 opposed. The Ayes have it. The vote is reconsidered. Senator Smith now moves to Table Amendment No. 2 to House Bill 2227. A11 in favor of the Motion to Table, indicate by saying Aye. A1l opposed. The Ayes have it. Amendment No. 2 fs Tabled . Further amendments?

Amendment No. 3 offered by Senator -- Senator Luft. Excuse me.

Senator -- Senator Luft. Senator Smith, are you aware of this amendment? Senator Smith.

21  1 STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislatlve Day June 25, 1991 Yes, Senator Luft is aware of this amendment.

I know he's aware. He filed it, but he's not here.

Yes.

Well, take it out of tbe record: Madam Secretary: until Senator Luft shows up . 2465. Senator Hall. Middle of Page 13. On the Order of House Bills 3rd Reading is House Bill 2465. Senator Hall seeks leave of the Body to return that bill to tbe Order of 2nd Reading for purposes of an amendment. Is leave sranted? Leave is granted. On the Order of House Bills 2nd Reading is House Bill 2465, Madam Secretary.

Amendment No. 2 offered by Senator Hall.

Senator Hall, on Amendment No. 2.

Thank you, Mr. President and Ladles and Gentlemen of the Senate. This amendment is -- amends the Head and Spinal Cord Injury Act. The Illinois Hospital Association supports this amendment. Currently, reports are made by hospitals within thirty days of the identification of head and spinal cord injuries. This amendment is the recommendation of the Department of Hea1th. The purpose of the amendment is to lessen paperwork for hospitals. And I move for the adoption of this amendment.

A11 right. Senator Hall has moved the adoption of Amendment No. 2 to House Bill 2465. Discussion? If not, a1l in favor, indicate by saying Aye. A11 opposed. The Ayes have i*. The amendment's adopted. Eurther amendments?

22  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25, 1991 No further amendments.

3rd Readlng. 2592. Senator Savickas. Bottom of Page l3. On the Order of House Bills 3rd Reading is House Bill 2592. Senator Savickas seeks leave of the Body to return that bill to the Order of 2nd Reading for purposes of an amendment. Is leave granted? Leave is granted. On the Order of House Bills 2nd Reading is House Bill 2592, Madam Secretary.

Amendment No. 1 offered by Senator Savickas.

Senator Savickas, on Amendment No. 1.

Madam Secretary, there are two amendments, I understand . No. 1, could you give me the last numbers of it?

cam02.

Yes. Yes, Senate Amendment No. to House Bill 2592 would enhance the health facilities planning through its two changes. First, the amendment has municipalities treated for health planning and services 'cause they are in similar respects in a single, unified area. Second, the amendment provides an opportunity for appointment to the Illinois Hea1th Facilities Planning Board of representatives of newer kinds of health care facilities not already represented on the State Board. I would move its adoption.

Senator Savickas has moved the adoption of Amendment No. 1 to House Bill 2592. Discussion? If not, a1l in favor, indicate by saying Aye. A11 opposed. The Ayes have The amendment's adopted. Further amendmenEs? 23  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25, 1991

Amendment No. 2 offered by Senator Savickas.

Senator Savickasz on Amendment No. 2.

Amendment No. 2, Mr. President, would establish an alcoholic lz-step program for pupils in grades five through twelve under Section 3 of the Critical Hea1th Programs qsic> (Problems) and Comprehensive Health Education Act, and it would service those children and assist them in copin: with their parents' alcohol and drug problems. And I would move its adoption.

Senator Savickas has moved the adoption of Amendnent No . 2 to House Bill 2592. Discussion? -If not, all in favor, indicate by saying Aye. A11 opposed. The Ayes have it. The amendment's adopted. Further amendments?

No further amendments.

3rd Reading. Senator Smith, are we ready to go back to -- 2227? No, We took it out of the record at the point where Amendments l and 2 had been Tabled and then further amendments. It was Amendment No. that was to be offered by Senator Luft. That's the point at which we will reconstitute ourselves. Amendment -- Madam Secretary, On the Order of House Bills 2nd Reading is House Bill 2227. Purther amendments?

Amendment No. 3 offered by Senator Luft.

Senator Luft, on Amendment No.

Thank you, Mr. President. Amendment No. 3 deletes the  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY I REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25, 1991 language referring to commercial paper within the bill. I'd ask for the adoption of Amendment No. 3. PRESIDENT ROCK: Senator Luft has moved the adoption of Amendment No. 3. Senator Smith. SENATOR SMITH: There is one more Amendment - No. 4 - that will be offered by Senator Jones. PRESIDENT ROCK: - Okay. All right. Senator Luft has moved the adoption of Amendment No. 3 to House Bill 2227. Diseussion? If not, a11 in favor, indicate by saying Aye. A1l opposed. The Ayes have it. The amendment's adopted. Further amendments? SECRETARY HAWKER: Amendment No. 4 offered by Senator Jones. PRESIDENT ROCK: Senator Jones, on Amendment No. 4. SENATOR JONES: Yealh, thank you: Mr. President and Members of the -- of the Senate. Amendment No. No. 4 replaces one of the amendments that was Tabled, and what it does is clear up the amendment and it places the electronic benefits funds transfer in compliance with the Electronic Fund Transfer Transmission Facility Act. It Will allow banks and other participating institutions to receive compensation for services rendered under the Act, and requires a parkicipating institution to provide for geographical accessibility to an electronic benefit fund, and also deals with the float, which is the interest that should be used to reinvest in the community. And that's a11 that it does, and I move its adoption. PRESIDENT ROCK: Senator Jones has moved the adoption of Amendment No. 4 to 25  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSTON SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislatkve Day June 25, 1991 House Bill 2227. Discussion? If not, a11 in favor, indicate by saying Aye. A11 opposed. The Ayes have The amendment's adopted. Purther amendments?

No further amendments.

3rd Reading. All right. We're going to go through the lkst one more time. 244. Senator DgArco. 883. Senator Collins. 883. Senator Collins seeks leave of the Body to return that bill to the Order of 2nd Reading for purposes of an amendment. We 're an Page 8 on the Calendar: Ladies and Gentlemen . 883. On the Order of House Bllls 2nd Reading is House Bilk 883, Madam Secretary.

Amendment No. 2 offered by Senator Collins.

Senator Collins, on Amendment No. 2.

Yes, thank you, Mr. President and Members of the Senate. Amendment No. 2 is a amendment to respond to the questions raised cn that side of the aisle in reference to the responsibility cf the Illinois Community Colleqe Board. And Representative Wyvetter Younge has done another amendment that changes supervision, which she had put this program under, to coordination, which is what the College Baard responsibilities are now as it relates to school -- school districts. It also takes out a1l of the provisions of the bill that requires them to provide for one-half of the salaries of those students. It makes several other technical correctlons, and would move for its adoption.

Senator collins has moved the adoption of Amendmen: No. 2 to House Bill 883. Discussion? If not, al1 in favor, indicate by 26  STATE 0F ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25, 1991 saying Aye. A11 opposed. The Ayes have it. The amendment's adopted. Purther amendments?

No further amendments.

3rd Reading. 1514. On the Order of House Bills 3rd Reading is House Bill 1514. Top of Page l0, Ladies and Gentlemen. And Senator Leverenz seeks leave of the Body to return that bîll to the Order of 2nd Reading for purposes of an amendment. Is leave granted? Leave is granted. On the Order of House Bills 2nd Reading is House Bill 1514, Madam Secretary.

Amendment No. l offered by Senator Leverenz.

Senator Leverenzy on Amendment No. 1.

Thank you, Mr. President. The amendment is noW agreed between ourselves and the EPA. It deals with the procedures for the processing plants for recycling metals. Answer any questions you might have. Move for its adoption.

Senator Leverenz has moved the adoption of Amendment No. 1 to House Bill 1514. Discussion? If not, a11 in favor, indicate by saying Aye. All opposed. The Ayes have The amendment's adopted. Are there further amendments?

No further amendments.

3rd Reading.' All right. Ladies and Gentlemen, we'11 noW revert to Page 6 on the Calendar. Page 6. We will move through the Order of House Bills 3rd Reading. This will be final action. We w111 skip only those that obviously were on the Recall today 27  STATE OP ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 5ûth Legislative Day June 25, 1991 and take those up tomorrow. So, Would ask the Members to please turn your attention to Pages 6 and 7 of the Calendar. We'1l begin with Senators Cullerton, Rear Carroll, Collins, D'Arco , O 'Daniel, Joyce and Luft. Senator O fDaniel, for What purpose do you arise, sir?

Thank you, Mr. President. For the purpose of Tabling a bill. would like to Table House Bill 247, as amended.

Page 6 just :ot smaller. Senator O'Daniel moves to Table House Bill 247. Al1 in favor: indicate by sayin: Aye. Al1 opposed. The Ayes have it. The bill is Tabled. All right . would point out that as the Calendar indicates, We have a hundred and two bills remaining on the Order of House Bills 3rd Reading. Tomorrow, obviously, is the deadline. It is the intent of the Chair to work again no later than six o'clock this evening, and We'll deal With the question of amendments to the.Mccormick Place proposal later ehis afternoon. In the meantime, we 're on the Order of House Bills 3rd Reading, Page 6 on the Calendar. 121. Senator Cullerton. A1l right. That bill is on the Recall. Senator Rea. On tbe Order of House Bills 3rd Reading, top -- middle of Page 6, is House Bill 176. Read the bill, Madam Secretary, please.

House Bi11 176. (Secretary reads title of bill) 3rd Reading of the bill.

Senator Rea.

Thank you, Mr. President, Members of the Senate. Senate Bill -- or House Bill 176, as amended -- and we would like to end up 28  STATE 0F ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25, 1991 goin: to conference committee. The Job Service has requested that there be some changes in Section 19 of the Unemployment Insurance Acty and the proposed amendment will be an agreed amendment: or an agreed bill. Presently, buslness and labor are reviewing draft language of the changes that we would like to see in Seetion 1900. I would ask for your support.

Discussion? Discussion? If not, the question is, shall House Bi11 l76 pass. Those in favor will vote Aye. Opposed, vote Nay. And the voting is open. All voted Who wish? Have a11 voted who wish? Have a11 voted Who wish? Take the record. On that question, there are 55 Ayesz no Nays, none votin: Present. House Bill 176, having received the required constitutional majority, is declared passed. 185. Senator Carroll. 186. Senator Carroll. On the Order of House Bills 3rd Reading is House Bill 186. Read the billy please.

House Bill 186. (Secretary reads title of bill) 3rd Reading of the bill.

Senator Carroll.

Thank you, Mr. President and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. This bill, as it noW stands, is a vehicle bill that we would wish to place in conference in case there is a need. There is no known need for it now. But I would ask for a favorable roll call so that can be put in that posture in case the need arises later.

Discussion? Any discussion? If not, the question is, shall House Bill 186 pass. Those in favor Will vote Aye. Opposed, vote 29  l i STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT ! 50th Legislative Day June 25z 1991 Nay. And the voting is open. Have a1l voted Who wish? Have al1 voted who wish? Have a11 voted who wish? Take the record. 0n that question, there are 58 Ayes, no Nays, none voting Present. House Bill 186, having received the required constitutional majority, is declared passed. 209. Senator Collins. Read the bill, Madam Secretary, please. SECRETARY HAWKER: House Bill 209. (Secretary reads title of bill) 3rd Reading of the bill. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR LECHOWICZ) The Lady from Cook, Senator Collins. SENATOR COLLINS: Yes, thank you, Mr. President, Members of the Senate. House Bill 209 simply requires DCCA to determine if a foreign company -- home country offers certain incentives to U.S.A. flrms prior to imposing -- or Whether or not they propose -- imposes any duties -- barriers against types -- certain U.S. firms before we provide them with any financial incentlves to locate and do business in this country. I know of no opposition, and I would be happy to answer any questions. If not, I would just appreciate a favorable roll call. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR LECHOWICZ) Any discussion? Senator Sehaffer. SENATOR SCHAFFER: What does EhaE mean? PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR LECHOWICZ) Senator Collins. SENATOR COLLINS: Well, it simply means that it prohibits DCCA from offering incentives, just as we did to the -- Mitsubishi plant and other foreign companies that come to this country - we provide 30  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 5ûth Leskslative Day June 25, 1991 incentives for them to do so. And what this bill does, it skmply says that -- it prohibit DCCA from offering those incentives it is determined by them, onee they investigate, that they do not have available to U.S. firms any kind of incentives. Or if they impose any duties or barriers against our companies doing business in their country, then it would be prohibited. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR LECHOWICZ) Any further discussion? Senator Schaffer. SENATOR SCHAEFER: Well, I notice that they would be exempted if they participate in the GATT Treaty. I'm under the impression that virtually a11 countries participate in the GATT Treaty. so is this -- you know - that we trade with. Is this not -- does that not make this bill sort of superfluous? d PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR LECHOWICZ) Senator Collins. SENATOR COLLINS: This bill simply also states that if they signed that Treatyy then they are exempt, because there wouldnlt be any need to do so. don't know. IIm sure the sponsor must have had a reason. I'm sure that he had to have found that we do have -- do provide incentives to businesses in this country that -- which -- who does, in fact, impose certain barriers as it relates to our doing business. So I'm sure there had to be a reason for them doin: so. PRESIDING UFFICER: (SENKTOR LECHOWICZ) Any furEher dlscussion? Senator Colllns, to close. SENATOR COLLINS: Yes, thank you. There are -- are companies -- countries who have not signed that agreement - the GATTS agreement. So it is eonceivable that we could have countries applyin: to do business in this eountry to DCCA asking for incentives. So I would ask for a favorable roll call. seems that this bill is necessary. 31  STATE OP ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25, 1991

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR LECHOWICZ) Question is, shall House Bill 209 pass. A1l in fâvor, vote Aye. All opposed, vote Nay. The voting is open. Have a1l voted who wish? Have al1 voted who Wish? Please take the record. On this question, there are 40 Ayes, Naysz recorded as Present. And House Bill 209, bavkng received tbe eonstitutional majority, is hereby declared passed. 244 is on the Recall. 247 has been Tabled. 293. Senator Joyce. Senaeor Joyce. Read the blll, Madam Secretary.

House Bill 293. (Secretary begins to read title of bi11)

PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR LECHOWICZ) Take it out of the reeord. For what purpose does the Gentleman from Kankakee seek recognition?

Thank you, Mr. Freskdent. I'd ask leave to have that committed back to committee.

PRESIDING OPEICER: (SENATOR LECHOWICZ) Does the Gentleman have leave to recommit House -- 1'm sorry. Okay. Asks leave to have the -- 293 committed to Energy Committee. Any objection? Hearing none, -- Senator Fawelly for what purpose seek recognition?

Well, 293 happens to be the -- the bill that has the Floor Amendment put on by senator Philip that allows the franchise tax to be taken off ffom al1 the from all the surrounding communities that Chicago now collects. And frankly, Idd like to have a vote on that bill, and I do object.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR LECHOWICZ) Well, it's always been a policy that the sponsor has the control of the bkll. Senator Joyce. 32  STATE 0F ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 5ûth Legislative Day June 25, 1991

Mr. President, I make a substitute motion, I guess, and that's to Table the bill.

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR LECHOWICZ) Gentleman moves to Table the bill. Hearing no objectkons: 293 is Tabled. 298. Senator Luft. Luft. Please turn to Page 329. Senator Leverenz. Read the bill, Madam Secretary .

House Bill 3-2-9. (Secretary reads title of bill) 3rd Reading of the bill.

PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR LECHOWICZ) The Gentleman from Cookz Senator Leverenz.

Thank you, Mr. President. This Would provide for the Department of Aging to put together a trainln: program so thae seniors Would be able to participate in day care. Answer any questions. I understand noW there's -- if there is any impact at all, in terms of financial, it has to be less than the thirty-five thousand they estimated prior. Answer any questions. Ask for your Aye vote to pass the bill.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR LECHOWICZ) Any diseussion? The Lady from Cook, Senator Topinka.

Well, first of all, a question of the sponsorz and guess it's a common one around here. Who wants thls bl11?

PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR LECHOWICZ) Senator Leverenz.

Pirst of all, me.

PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR LECHOWICZ) Senator Topinka. 33  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATZ TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25# 1991

And to the bill - mean, am appreciative that Senator Leverenz Wants the bill, but others apparently do not want the bill. In talking to our area agencies on aging - the one in suburban Cook County, also in Dupage - they have a problem with thisy because it Would now cost them money. Our local councils on aging don't Want it, because the money that they would get from the area agencies would now be diverted into a program which they feel there is no need for. They apparently have trled programs like this in the past and have discovered that a number of senior citizens a significant number - really do not want to go into the baby-sitting business, because, much like Sun City, they're rather happy that the little ones are out of their hair. So When they do, indeedz do this, they do this on a voluntary basis. They do not want any orqanized effort made. We do have letters to that effect. It will cost them money. And at a time that We dre probably qoin: to be cutting the services that they get, I'm sure that they could probably use this money a heck of a lot better, and I would ask that We vote against this bill.

PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR LECHOWICZ) The Gentleman from Sangamon, Senator Davidson.

Question of the sponsor.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR LECHOWICZ) Indicates he'll yield. Ted.

Senator Leverenzy understand this does allow for a backqround check of the senior citizen. But does it call for the dismissal from the program if that senior citizen has a criminal backqround?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR LECHOWICZ) Senator Leverenz. 34  STATE 0P ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislatkze Day June 25, 1991

I appreciate, Senator, your guestion, and I think this is nct for legislative intent; however, in the case that it is: I direet your attention to the amendment Which removes that requirement.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR LECHOWICZ) Senator Davidson.

What amendment removes Which requirement? Their background check or the dismissal of the person if they come up with a criminal background?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR LECHOWICZ) Senator Leverenz.

I believe Amendment No. 1 removed that.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR LECHOWICZ) Removed what?

The background check.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR LECHOWICZ) Senator Davidson.

Welly tbat's the ease, then I want to speak against the bill, because -- it had to be the background check for criminal -- background check for a purpose, and I'm for -- if you're going to do it, it should be dismissal if the person had an offense. You and b0th know there a number of seniors that are out that were convicted of chkld abuse, et eetera, et cetera. Thks is not a good idea. I urge everybody to vote No.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR LECHOWICZ) Senator Leverenz, to close.

Well, this ks almost like the one you've al1 been waktkng for. 35  STATE OP ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSTON SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25, 1991 This bill now is so mild, it was -- it's probably carrying the power just a little stronger than a resolution. It removed the mandatory background check requirement: but the amendment further - for the Senator of the other side says, ''Additionally: information regarding license requirements: health and background ehecks, and a general introduction to child care shall be included in the denonstratlon module.'' This provides a link for seniors that are, number onez active, and that do Want to keep involved. And as we said - I think: in committee - you might even think that they'd have some background that would be qrandfathered in under the bill, in terms of caring for younger people. You can't do enough for young people: suggest. Specifically, in Proviso Township and thelr Council on Aging, they do have, in place, a work program - a work link program - so that seniors can, in fact, do this. The finaneial impacty before it was amended: was thirty-five thousand dollars. This sinply asks for information to be distributed by the Department of Aging. And 1 suggest you don't vote for this bill: would have to be something other than good cause. And Iusoliclt your Aye vote to pass the bill.

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR LECHOWICZ) Question is, shall House Bill 329 pass. All in favor: vote Kye . A11 opposed: vote Nay. The voting ks open. Have a11 voted who Wish? Have all voted Who wish? Please take the record. On this question, there are 30 Ayes, 25 Noes, one -- none reeorded as Presenk. House Bill 329, havino received a constitutional majority, is hereby declared passed. Lady from Cook, Senator Topinka, requests a vertfieation. Would the Membership please be in your seats? Verification has been requested. Madam Secretary, please verify the affirmative vote.

The following Members voted in the affirmative: Alexander, Berman, Brookins, Carrollp Collins, Cullerton, Daleyz D'Arcoy 36  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLX RECULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25z 1991 del Valle, Demuzio, Thomas Dunn, Hall, Holmberg: Jacobs, Jones, J.E. Joyce, J.J. Joyce, Kellyz Lechowicz, Leverenz, Luft, Marovitz, O'Daniel, Rea, Savickas, Severns, Smith, Vadalabene, Welch and Mr. President.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR LECHOWICZ) Senator Topinka, any questions of the affirmative vote?

ïes. Senator Brookins, please.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR LECHOWICZ) Senator Brookins. Senator Brookins on the Floor? He's on the Floor.

Senator Jones, please. PRESIDING OFFICER; (SENATOR LECHOWICZ) Senator Jones. Senator Jones on the Floor? Remove him .

That'll do. Thank you.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR LECHOWICZ) On this question, there are 29 Ayes, 25 Nays. Senator Leverenz asks leave to pu* lt on Postponed Consideration. Postponed Consideration. 342. Senator de1 Valle. Read the bill, Madan Secretary.

House Bill 342. (Secretary reads title of bill) 3rd Readinq of the bill.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR LECHOWICZ) Senator de1 Valle. SENATOR dEL VALLE: Thank you, Mr. President. House Bill 342 establishes a program for the use of electronic benefits transfers eo Public Aid recipients. The Department of Public Aid estimates that 37  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25, 1991 program Will begin to be operational on a limited basis January of 1993. This bill has been amended to address all of the concerns. And as far as I know, there is no opposition to the bill. I ask for a favorable vote.

PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR LECHOWICZ) Is there any discussion? The question is, shall House Bill 342 pass. All in favor, vote Aye. All opposedz . vote Nay. The voting is open. Have all voted Who wish? Have all voted who wish? Please take the record. On this question, there are 58 Ayes: no Nays, none recorded as Present. And House Bi11 342, having received the constituEional majority, is hereby declared passed. 370. Senator Daley reguests that that bill be referred back to committee. Hearing no objectionsy 370 is back to eommittee. 378. Senator Hall. Read the bill, Madam Secretary. Art? Senator Hall.

House Bill 378. (Secreeary reads title of bill) 3rd Reading of the bill.

PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR LECHOWICZ) Senator Hall.

Thank you, Mr. Presidenty Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. 378 is a vehicle bill which appropriates one dollar to the State Board of Education for ordinary and contingent expenses. Senate Amendment No. l deletes the July 1st, 1991 effeceive date. I move for the adoption.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR LECHOWICZ) Any discussion? The question is, shall House Bi11 378 pass. Al1 in favor, vote Aye. A11 opposed, vote Nay. The voting is open. Have a1l voted who wish? Have al1 voted who wish? Please take the record. On this question, there are 55 Ayes, no Nays, 38  STATE 0F ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGDLAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Leqislative Day June 25: 1991 none recorded as Present. And House Bill 378, having received the constitutional majorlty, is hereby declared passed. 386. Senatcr Carroll. 388. Senator Carroll. 406. Senator Luft. Read the bill, Madam Secretary.

House Bi11 406. (Secretary reads title of bill) 3rd Reading of the bill.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR LECHOWICZ) Centleman from Tazewell, Senator Luft.

Thank you, Mr. President. This bill changes the levy certification date for towns, townships and road districts from the second Tuesday in september to the third Tuesday in December. And kt a11 provkdes assessing offickals in counties wkth a population of less than one million to petition the Department of Revenue for additional compensation if the official obtains a median level of assessment between thirty-three and a third and thlrty-five and a third of fair cash value property in that jurisdiction. PRESIDING OFPICERI (SENATOR LECHOWICZ) Any discussion? Senator Rigney.

Well, Mr. President, I'd like a question of the sponsor.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR LECHOWICZ) Indicates he'll yield.

Now is it true, as 1 understand kt, that tbe supervisor of assessments would not have to meet the same test as other assessing officials - namely: he would not be subjeet to the coefficient of dispersion?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR LECHOWICZ) 39  STATE OP ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25, 1991 Senator Luft.

That's correct. The Illinois Assessors' Association feels that the criterla is too strict. As a matter of fact, it's my understanding that only one county Was able to meet this criteria in 1990.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR LECHOWICZ) Senator Rigney.

Well, I would point out to the Members here on the Ploor that the coeffieient of dispersion, after all, is actually the test of how good your assessment is. In other words, what is the chance of the assessment being wrong, and by what degree would it be wrong? We went through this whole dialogue, I think, on this -- on -- T remember when I was in the House about ten or fifteen years ago, and it was thought that: really, just falling within l the assessment range of thirty-one to thirty-five really is noE the test of how good a job you're doing. It's really the coefficient of. dispersion. And would fully expect that next year welll probably see a move by all other assessing officials also to throw out the eoefficient of dispersion. I think this is probably just the -- you know, the first foot in the door to eventually getting rid of that. So I think if We really believe that the bonus should be paid for a quality job, this is a to me, a significant step backwards to say, ''Well, Weîre not really goinq to enforce that par: agains: the supervisors of assessments.'l

PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR LECHOWICZ) Senator Luft, to close. I'm sorry. Senator Schaffer.

I sponsored the bill several years ago that established the bonus, and frankly, we did so because many of us felt that the 40 r >- ' STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSIOX SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25, 1991 property tax system here in the State certainly Was not being administered uniformly and fairly . Property tax on its best day is a difficult and controversial tax. I don't see how we can expect anything but problems and unhappiness from our constituencies if we retreat from the standards we have set for fair and equal assessment on a statewide basis. I suspect there's more implications in my neck of the woods, where the assessed valuations are much more volatile. But I don 't think this is any v time, when we literally have tax protest meetings in every corner of the State, to retreat from the standard of quality that We have set or encouraged our supervisors of assessments to attain. And I think Senator Rigney is absolutely right. The other township assessors will be down here next year to get off the hook too but to keep the money, mind you - but to get off the hook. This is no time to retreat in this area. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR LECHOWICZ) Senator Luft, to close. SENATOR LUFT: Thank you, Mr. President. I hope everybody listens earefully, because weêre talking about county assessment officials. And as Senator Rigney mentioned, the -- coefficient of disbursement has to be met, but it can only be met with the figures that is provided the county assessor by the townshlp assessors. They have to deal with those figures that are dealt -- given to them by the township officials -- assessors. So, in fact there 's any error been made: it's at the township level. And as I stated earlier, after the historigal data has been made available to a1l of us, only one county assessing officer was able to meet this criteria in 1990. They are controlled absolutely and totally by the township assessors. So I hope you would support this. And we need to come back and visit it another day, be more than happy to do it. 41  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25, 1991

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR LECHOWICZ) Question, shall House Bill 406 pass. All in favor, vote Aye. opposed, vote Nay. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have a1l voted who wish? Please take the record. On this question, there 36 Ayes, 18 Nays, none recorded as Present. And House Bill 406, having received the constitutional majorityz is hereby declared passed. 452. Senator Leverenz. Read the bill, Madam Secretary.

House Bill 452. (Secretary reads title of bill) 3rd Readinq of the bill.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR LECHOWTCZ) Gentleman from Cook, Senator Leverenz.

Thank you, President. The bill would create the Arehitectural Engineering and Land Surveying Services Procurement Act. It establishes the guidelines for Which procurement of named services, including broader public notice of projeces. It's mcdeled after the American Bar Association model. Might answer any questions that you might have. Ask for your Aye vote to pass the bill.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR LZCHOWICZ) Any discussion? Question is, shall House Bill 452 pass. Al1 in favor, vote Aye. A1l opposed, vote Nay. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have a1l voted who wlsh? Please take the record. On this question, there are 57 Ayes, no Nays, none recorded as Present. And House Bill 452, having received the constitutional majority, is hereby declared passed. 478. Senator Kelly. Read the bill, Madam Secretary.

House Bill 478. 42  STATE 0F ILLINOIS 87th CENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25, 1991 (Secretary reads title of bill) 3rd Reading of the bill. PRESIDTNG OFFICER) (SENATOR LECHOWICZ) The Gentleman from Cook: Senator Kelly.

Thank you, Mr. President. House Bill 478 would require the State Board of Education to return the test results of the student assessment tests to the local school districts. -- under eurrent law, the results go to the State Board, and the results are based on the schools. This would bring it back to advise the schaol districts what's going on in the classrooms. also Would advise the teachers, individuallyz hoW each student is doing. The Stake Board has tried to reach a compromise on this issue, and apparently it's in the near future: but they haven 't as of this date. And this is a bill which Would help the lacal districts greatly. I have a letter here from the superintendent in Orland Park and several other superintendents who are very favorable of this legislation. The IEA is supporting and I Would appreciate your support and-answer any questions you might have.

PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR LECHOWICZ) Any discussion? The question is, shall House Bill -- Senator Maitland.

Thank youy Mr. President and Members of the Senate. Just simply to say that -- that Senator Kelly is correet - there have been dlscussions. believe that -- Superintendent Leininggr has agreed that -- that they will be doing some work on this in the -- in the very near future. My -- my only concern With the bill as it stands today probably is not a bill that can be administered, given the five-hour time frame within which the tests have to be given. I think that's a concern that the State Board has. It's obviously a concern that I have. It is correet 43  STATE OP ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25, 1991 that virtually everybody is supporting this: but I think there are some administrative problems With

PRESIDTNG OFFICER: (SENATOR LECHOWICZ) Questlon is, shall 478 pass? All in favore vote Aye. A11 opposed, vote Nay. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have a11 voted who wksh? Please take the record. On this question, there are 56 Ayes, no Nays, none recorded as Present. And House Bill 478, having received the constitutional majority, is hereby declared passed. 562. Senator Jones. Out of the record. 575. Senator Joyce. Read the bill, Madam Secretary.

House Bill 575. (Secretary reads title of bill) 3rd Reading of the bill.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR LECHOWICZ) The Gentleman from Cookz Senator Joyce.

Thank you, Mr. President, Members of the Senate. House Bi11 575 would require the Personnel Code and the State University Civil Service Code to achieve Wage-based race and sex equity by the year 2000. Would require that the Code pay plan include a schedule for the attainment of comparable worth by the year 2000 and the plan to be ln place by June of 1992. Requires the plan to provide for the adjustment of salaries and compensation for the sole purpose of attaining comparable worth to be made annually and that the ranges and rates in the University Civil Service Code to include a schedule for the attainment of comparable worth by the year 2000 and the schedule to be in place by the -- June of 1992, the adjustments to be made through collective bargaining when a labor organization represents a unit of employees under the jurisdiction of the Act. And it gives the definition of comparable worth asw ''provision of equitable compensation 44  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25, 1991 relationships for positions which, althouqh not in the same class, have been evaluated as equivalent based on the composite o# the skill, effort, responsibility and workin: conditions requiredw'' We have had thts measure before us on several occasions, starting in 1983. We have listened to various arguments as to why this cannot be accomplished in our State. Since that time, we have seen other states go forward. There are -- numerous studies to shok that it can be implemented. And I Would ask for your support at this time.

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR LECHOWICZ) Any discussion? The Lady from Laker Senator Geo-Karis.

Mr. President: Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate, I hardly think the time is now for this bill. It will cost Illinois about nineteen and a half million and go up to a hundred and fifty-six million dollars. That's the first point. And to compare it with other states, itts gost Connecticut elose to seventy million dollars, Washington State about ninety-seven million dollars per yeare Oregon a hundred'and ninety-two million dollars for the last seven/eigbt years, and Minnesota elghty-four million for four years. We are in a financial crunch. We are in a terrible financial crunch. We haven't paid our nursins homes. We haven't paid our druggists. We haven't paid our hospitals. We are in such an awful mess it isn't even funny. And to think of comparable worth now is the wrong tkme. That's one objection I have. The other objectlon is, this bill prohibits consideration of essential factors in determlning job salaries and classifications. The State could not consider market job -- marketplace factors, supply and demand: prevailing rate laws, personal decisions and job preferences of males and femalest and collective barsaining history. I am a lawyer by profession. I could never presume to be a plumber. They make more money in the 45  STATE OP ILLINOIS 87th CENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25, 1991 long run than lawyers do, because theydre more essential in your sanitary sewage and everything else. I know nothing about plumbing. And I think this is wrong. think itls a wrong eoneept. I think today We have grown up and graduated to the fact that bokh male and female people are entitled to be considered on their worth and what they can do, not comparable with other jobs. don'e see it at all, and I -- I -- much as I respect and like the sponsor of this bill, I cannot agree with him. And I think, as said earlier, this is a wrong time and a wrong place to consider a bill like khis considering forget all the other factors the financial crunch within. And I rise to speak against the bill.

PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR LECHOWICZ) The Lady from Winnebago, Senator Holmberg.

Thank youz Mr. President. I rise in support of House Bill 575. The last time that it came before us# we -- we almost passed it out of the Senate. As you can seee it has passed the House. I believe, in contrast to what Senator Geo-Karis has saidy that the time is now. Studies that have been done of other employers uho have implemented pay equity indlcate that such implementation has enhanced their ability to compete in the marketplace: by making it easier to attract and retain qualified employees. Because the bill goes into effect does not automatieally mandate that higher salaries need to be reached immediately. When Northern Illinois University's Office of Public Information issued a press release announcing the results of a survey they had done on this question, they found that eighty-five pereent of the people surveyed supported the enactment of pay equity. Ninety percent of those people Were Demoerats. Eighty-three pereent of those people were Republieans. This ls an issue that, when you talk about iE in your home districtp people 46  STATE OP ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25: 1991 Will say, ''Yes, that's fair. We would like you to vote for something that's fair.'' When you can provey for instance, as was the issue asked for in the Northern Illinois survey, that someone with eomparable skills, like a nurse or an electrician, that there's a discrepancy per month of seven hundred dollars, people say immediately, men and women, Republieans and Democrats, 'lThat is not faire'' It's an issue of fairness. believe the time is nOW .

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR LECHOWICZ) Gentleman from Dupage, Senator Hudson.

Thank you, Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. This bill, as you may recall, has been debated before in these Chambers, and I said then - and 1111 say now - that if we pass this comparable worth, pay equity, or whatever it may be calledz we will find ourselves auash in a sea of subjectivity. Now, What do I mean by that? I mean by that that there are literally hundreds of jobs, suppose, that Would have to be evaluated and comppred. And Who 's qoing to do thts? The State of Illinois, presumably, would be responsible for comparing the value to soctety of these various jobs, tryin: to determine whether or not they're worth a similar amount. And I say that this is almost -- this is a -- ik's an unworkable proposal in many, many ways. Much of this Would probably end up in the courts. The courts themselves, some of the -- some of the officials say theydre ill-equipped to handle these kind of conslderations, and I jusk think it's a very, very poor time and partlcularly a poor concept on the basis of the subjeceive aspects of it - comparing these things and trying to -- trying to decide who's worth what. And it would seem to me that we will end up not -- welll be raising salaries. It's going to be costly to the State, because people are going to want to be raised up; theyfre nok going to want to be 47  STATE OP ILLINQIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY RECULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legtslative Day June 25, 1991 cut. If We found a couple of jobs comparable: for example, and ehe idea was to lower the -- lower the wages: simply wouldn't work. I think it's a poor time, too, as Senator Geo-Raris mentioned so eloquently, to consider spendin: more and more money on Stake employees when we are, in factr attempting to cut back an all of the others that We debate and discuss around here day by day. And here we 9o, about to embark upon a proposal that would be expensive to the State of Illinois. Money spent on State employees - and God love them a1l - but nonetheless, it just seems to be inconsistent with the general theme ehat we have been speaking about or advancing here to talk about now turning around, and for this idea to spend millions and millions of dollars more, when wedre trying to cut some of these other very-needed areas. So I -- I think the time is -- is nok here; it has not come and would urge a No vote.

PRESIDING OEFICER: (SENATOR LECHOWICZ) Lady from Cook, Senator Collins.

Thank you, Mr.. Presidenk and Members of the Senate. I rise in support of House Bill 575, because I think it is a issue that is most certainly something that We should have acted upon a long time ago. recognize, as Senator Geo-Karis has indicated, that this year and that the State ls in a very serious financial cruneh; however, this bill does not require any monies this fiscal year, Senator Geo-Karis. But even if it does, and even if we don't have the money to do ite I think we cannot -- can no longer allow ourselves to not to vote and to correct issues and problems that we recognize ourselvesz by studîes that have been done this State. which lends itself to discrimination against women and minorities. And believe it, when We assign, as we have over the years arbitrarily assign monetary values to job cateqories, that's just no* fair. And those job categories often 48  STATE OP ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislatkve Day June 25, 1991 end up where you have the bulk of women and minorities emptoyed in this State. And the wedge -- gap between those job categories and those at the top constantly grows wider and wider. If you look at the affirmative actions reports, you will see Where komen and minorities are concentrated at the bottom of the pay scale at the bottom of the pay scale. Thatîs just not fakr, and itis not because those jobs -- in those job categories, that they do not do adequate -- the same amount of work or the same amount of responsibility, and often stress, that goes to perform those jobs as it does for jobs that's paying maybe even fifty percent more. That's just not fair. So what We are talking about in this bill is equity and parity, and that's What We ought to move toward. If we don 't have the money, then it is time for us to bite the bullet and pass an income tax increase to bring us in the 21st century as a11 other industrial states and provide adequate money to get rid cf the -- the discrimination that bave been done -- in this Department of Personnel over the years. This is a good bill. It is time that we do it. We should have done a long time ago, and 1 Would just ask for a vfavorable vote.

PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR LECHOWICZ) The Lady from Cook, Senator Topinka.

Yes, Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. You know, have this unenviable position at times as being Minority Spokesman of the Hea1th Committee where, indeed, I have to attempt to defend the budget and the deficlt that we are now facing by having to curb in social welfare programsv many of Which thaE I happen to think are pretty darned gocd, many of which I know if we cut are absolutely goin: to hurt people, but we don't have the money. And okay, I'n willing to do that. And I think a11 of us who bite that bullet do, indeedy do that. But I find it upsetting that, indeed, When We do do that and try and curb in programs that 49  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLX REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25, 1991 actually have some merit, that we would turn around and come up kith this kind of a proposal Which just, on cost alone, could run khis State between 19.5 to a hundred and fifty-six million dollars. That buys a heck of a lot of hospital care, and long-term care, and public aid carer and food stamps: and all of these other things that wefre hitting on. And I kould much rather see that money go into those programs as we rearrange the budget and try and get to the Governor's bottom line. And also, I suppose, just maybe as -= speaking as one with an Eastern European background: I don't like programs that get into sgcial engineering that deeide what and other people are worth, because government has made this decision. Let me decide what I'm worth. Let the public decide What I am Worth. Let the public decide What I charge, and is that a fakr charge, and is that acceptable. And basically what the traffic will bear and mueh like water rlsing to its highest level, it Will find its Way. But Senator Hudson and I think Senator Geo-Karis bring a good point. When we're talking about disparities in terms of -- of salaryy we're never going to lower any salaries. The natural inclination is to always raise it. So we are going to raise it to the highest level. Agaln, we get into the fiscal question of who's going to pay for this. ïes, an income tax might be able to -- to back this thing up . But if we're looking at increased taxes, should We not look at our social welfare programs and people who are really in need? I think this is a terrible concept in general. At khis point our juncture here in the Legislature, it is just totally unaffordable and totally irresponsible.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR LECHOWICZ) Lady from Macon, Senator Severns.

Thank you, Mr. President and Members of the Senate. I will not go on at length, because many points have already been 50  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25, 1991 debated, but I think what surprises me most is that *e are debating this issue. This bill has spelled out that it Will take us into the 21st century. It will be paid for over the next decade. I think We kid ourselves in this Chamber as we pass laws and l/gislation signed into 1aW day in and day out that we -- END OF TAPE TAPE 2

-- meet the -- the challenge of House Bill 575. It Was al1 the way back in the 82nd General Assenbly when the Illinois Commission on the Status of Women conducted a bipartisan or nonpartisan study that they found that the majority of female employees - in fact, 53.8 percent earn less than sixteen thousand dollars per year, While the majority of male employees - 89.8 percent - earn over sixteen thousand per year. What does that say to us about the kind of State that we are if we condone this kind of discriminatory policy when it comes to wages? If we dontt do it for the right reasons, we ought to at least recognize that we are a changing socieky where more and more women are the head of households. think the time is long past due that We as a State take the lead and do what is right, and that's pass a bill that is fair, that is reasonable, and that is built in over the aourse of time so it will not be a budget-buster, as some of the detraetors would like to suggest. The time is now - in factz itls overdue. It's the right thing to do, and I hope we do it today.

PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR LECHOWICZ) The Lady from Cook, Senakor Collinsy for a second time. SENATOR COLLINSZ 51  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGDLAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 5ûth Legislative Day June 25: 1991 Thank you. I apologize for rising a second timey but just could not 1et one of the comments go that one of the spokespersons on the other side indicated that this was a bad idea beeause we had to -- a1l of these social programs that -- that needed to be attended to. And that's a real cop-ouk, because I donft expect to get -- see any votes when these issues come on the Floor to try and restore some of those critical human service cuts; we will see red lights on the other side. or ue Will see yellow lights. So: for the record, I just had to refute that as an excuse for not passing this bill. The other excuse Was that We need to assign -- no one else is to assign some value to What we are korth . Well, that's what we are tryin: to correct, beeause that's what *he Department of Personnel has done consistently over the years. They have arbitrarily, and maybe capriciously, assigned values to certakn jobs as to What theybre Wortb. And it is unfortunate that those jobs have been held mostly by minorities and females. And so itls time for we -- to correct that inadequacy.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR LECHOWICZ) The Lady from Lake, Senator Geo-Karis, for a second time.

apologize, Mr. President and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate, for speaking a second time. Just to make a correction from one of the statements made before. This bill requires that by June 30r 1992, a sehedule of the attainment of comparable Worth Would be included in Wage ranges and rates and adjustments will be made at least annually for comparable worth for all covered positlons achieved not later than June 30, 2000 . Wedre in sucb a terrible economic crunch right now, and ehen we start the new fiscal year July 1. Hopefully we can pay a1l our bills after we restructure the budget. This is a bad time for this bill, and 1'11 tell you we should judge people by -- their merit and fitness. And Ifl1 tell you something else - we are the ombudsmen 52  STATE 0F ILLINOIS 87*h GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 5Qth Legislative Day June 25, 1991 for the people. If we know of any discrimination because of race or color or sex in a job, then it's up to us to address that partlcular department. And 1611 tell you right now, if any constituent of mine Were involved, Ifd be the first one to hit the department With it. I think We should base it on merit and fitness and not on comparable worth. I think those words are dangerous. I don't know how in the diekens anyone ever inveneed them: because there's no -- no adjudged criterion on that to begin with. And again, I speak against the bill.

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR LCCHOWICZ) We got a feW more lights now: so hang on. Gentleman from Whlteside, Senator Schuneman.

Thank you: Mr. President. Just a -- just a quick remark. I'm surprised that the proponents of this bill want to move in this direction, particularly when We take a look at what's happening in the rest of the world. The communist World is noW moving toward the marketplace setting wages and rates. They're doing away with boards and bureaus that establish the working conditions and wage rates. And here we are, in the State of Illinois, having people suggest that We move in the opposite direction. I don't think makes much sense.

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR LECHOWICZ) Senator Leverenz.

Mr. President, thank you. That -- the ionger it goes, the more arguments I hear to vote in favor of this. I think almost -- the last statements were about the most absurd that I've ever heard that would ltken this bill to something dealkng wieh ccmmunism. Wedve already proved that there are differences in State Government in terms of pay. It's about time We take a look at State Government. There is no better time than doing it now. 53  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENCRAL ASSEMBLX REGULAR SESSION jENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25g 1991 This should have been done before. And if there is a costr we ought to face up to it and pay. The bottom line ls, this is a bill for decency. This is a bill that might expose something that the administration miqht have been hiding for years. We don't know. But there are, in fact, differences, and you just can't go through all of State Government with desk audits. I ask for your Aye vote to pass this measure.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR LECHOWICZ) Senator Joyce, to close.

Thank youe Mr. President, Members of the Senate. Everyone in this Chamber is familiar witb what wedre talking about here today, and Senator Topinka, Senator Hudson, Senator Geo-Karis, you didn't cause this. This was here long before any of us ever came here. Nevertheless, there are -- diserimination. We recognize We know it's there. There's not a person in this Chamber who has not had a sister or an aunt or a niece or a neighbor or a friend who was treated unfairly beeause of this practice that we have stood by noW for at least ten years and refused to deal with. The administration says that we cannot afford this. Thatls basically the argument against this - We can't afford it. Beeause all the other arguments -- we presently classify, there haven't been lawsuits in the other states that have gone forward and implemeneed this program. The argument is We can't afford it. We know it's not fair. We know that there's an injustiee here. We must afford it, and I ask for your supporE.

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR LECHOWICZ) Question is, shall House Bill 575 pass. Al1 in favor, vote Aye. All opposed, vote Nay. The voting is open. Have al1 voted Who Wish? Have all voted who wish? Have a1l voted who wish? What about Frank? Have all voted who wish? Please take the record. ûn this question, there are 30 Ayes, 27 Nays, none 54  STATE OF TLLTNOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLX REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25, 1991 recorded as Present. This on House Bill 575, having received the constitutional majority, is hereby declared passed. Gentleman from Dupage, Senator Hudsony requests a verification. Would the Membership please be in their chairs? Jerry? Would the Secretary please verify the affirmative vote?

The following Members voted in the affirmative: Alexander, Berman, Brookins, Carroll, Collins: Cullerton, Daley, D'Arco, del Valle, Demuzio, Hall, Holmberg, Jacobs, Jones, J.E. Joyce: J.J . Joyce, Kelly, Lechowicz, Leverenz, Luft, Marovitz: OlDaniel, Palmery Raica, Rea, Severns, Smith, Vadalabene, Welch and Mr. President.

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR LECHOWICZ) Are there any questions of the affirmative votez Senator Hudson?

senator Rea.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR LECHOWTCZ) Senator Rea is in the Chamber.

Senator Jones.

PRESIDING OFPTCER: (SENATOR LECHOWICZ) He 's here.

There he is. Senator Luft.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR LECHOWICZ) Luft ls in his chair. Webre al1 here.

Senator D'Arco. Where is he?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR LECHOWICZ) He's in his chair. On this question, there are 30 Ayes, 27 Nays, on the recorded -- on a verified roll eall. And House Bill 55  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25, 1991 575, having received a constitutional majority, is hereby declared passed. 576. Senator Leverenz. Read the bill, Madam Secretary.

House Bill 576. (Secretary reads title of bill) 3rd Reading of the bill.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR LECHOWICZ) Senator Leverenz.

Thank you, Mr. President. House Bill 576 would provide the Illinois Clinical Laboratory Act to include certain medical units of corporations or other entities as Class I permit laboratories, and pravides the laborakories shall provide physieian supervision for the laboratory activities. I know of no opposition ko the bill. would ask for your Aye vote, and answer any questions that you might have.

PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR LECHOWICZ) Is there any discusskon? Question is# shall House Bi11 576 pass. All in favor, vote.Aye. A11 opposedy vote Nay. The voting - ' is open. Have a1l voted who wish? Have al1 voted who wish? Please take the record. On this question, there are 58 Ayes, no Nays, none recorded as Present. And House Bill 576, having received the constitutional majority, is hereby declared passed. 580 was on the Reeall. House Bill 619. Senator Welch. Read the bill, Madam Secretary.

House Bill 619. (Secretary reads title of bill) 3rd Reading of the bill.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR LECHOWICZ) Gentleman from Lasalle: Senator Welch.

56  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLX REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25, 1991 Thank you, Mr. President. What this bill does is amend the Public Utilities Act. It does so by requiring utilities to reconnect heating services, under certain conditions, to discontinued customers who have applied for assistance under the Energy Assistance Act between October lst and April lst of each year. The current 1aw requires reconnection under these same conditions between November 1st to April 1st. The change to October lst will coincide with the date applicants for energy assistance become eligible for funding under the Energy Asslstance Act. This change will cost the State absolutely nothing. I'd be glad to answer any questions. PRESIDING OFFICER) (SENATOR LECHOWICZ) Is there any discussion? The Lady from Cook , Senator Macdonald.

Thank youz Mr. President. I rise in opposition to this bill. By changing the -- the date for energy assistance by one month will cost a substantial amount of money to the utility companies, and I -- I would .submit to you that I think 'that the ratepayers who could be affected by this would probably not be too pleased with our changing that date by one month. So Would urge your opposikion to this bi11.

PRESIDING OFFICER : (SENATOR LECHOWICZ) Any further discussion? Senator Welchz to close.

Thank you, Mr. President. I'd just like to say that many of these individuals are individuals that we are going to be cutting off Public Aid funds to in the next weekp because We don't have the money in the budget. These are the same individuals who are 9olng to be down here lobbying ané have been down here lobbyin: over the past month. What we're saying is, let these people have their heat reconnected in October so that they don 't freeze. 57  STATE 0F ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25, 1991 That's not too much to ask. Not one dime comes from the State. It's not that great a burden, and I think that it's a bill that a11 of us should be supporting. I would urge an Aye vote.

PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR LECHOWICZ) Question is, shall House Bill 619 pass. A11 in favor, vote Aye. All opposed, vote Nay. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who Wish? Please take the record. On this question, there are 31 Ayes, 24 Nays, recorded as Present. And House Bill 619, having received *he constitutional majority, is hereby declared passed. Please turn to Page 8 of the Calendar. Appears House Bill 630. Senator Etheredge. 632. Senator Weaver. 635. Senator Schaffer. 638. Senator Etheredge. 700. Senator Leverenz. Read the bill, Madam Secretary.

House Bill 700. (Secretary reads title of bill) 3rd Reading of the bill.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR LECHOWICZ) Gentleman from Cook, Senator Leverenz.

Thank you, Mr. President. The bill that I Was asked to handle, House Bill 700, would provide the State's Attorneys Appellate Prosecutor's Act to allow them -- by saying may raise the number of hires from eight to twelve. Answer any questions you might have. Ask for your Aye vote to pass the bill.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR LECHOWICZ) Is there any discusslon? Question is, shall House Bill pass. All in favorw vote Aye. Al1 opposed, vote Nay. The voting is open. Have al1 voted who Wish? Have all voted who Wish? Please take the record. On this question: there are 56 Ayes, 2 Nays, ncne recorded as Present. House Bill 700, receivin: the constitutional majority, is hereby declared passed. 760. Senator 58  STATE 0F ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLX REGULAR SESSTON SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25# 1991 Berman. 766. Senator Etheredge. 801. Senator Joyce, Jeremiah. Hold it? 847. Senator Daley. Read the bill, Mr. Secretary.

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HARRX) House Bill 847. (Secretary reads title of bill) 3rd Readinq of the bill.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR LECHOWIPZ) The Gentleman from Cook, Senator Daley.

Thank you, Mr. President and Members of the Senate. House Bill 847 would establish a voluntary checkoff on Illinois income tax form Cor Desert Storm veterans. It would also -- part of the bill would restrict deductions to the amounts received by the taxpayers and advanees due to a termlnal illness.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR LECHOWICZ) Any discussion? Quesfion is, shall House Bill 847 pass. All in favar, vote Aye. A11 opposedy vote Nay. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have a1l voted Who wish? Please take tbe reeord. On this question, there are 57 Ayes, no Nays, none recorded as Present. And House Bill 847, havin: reeeived the constktutional majority, is hereby declared passed. 879. Senator Leverenz. Read the bill, Mr. Secretary.

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HARRY) House Bill 879. (Seeretary reads title of bill) 3rd Reading of the bill.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR LECHOWICZ) Gentleman from Cook, Senator Leverenz.

Thank you, Mr. President. This would exempt the small incubators established in financially distressed cities. The only change essentially that we have made is allow the program to go tc 59  STATE 0F ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY RECULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25, 1991 five years. It's currently four. Answer any questions you miqht have. Ask for your Aye vote to pass the bill.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR LECHOWICZ) Any discussion? Question is, shall House Bill 879 pass. Al1 in favor, vote Aye. Al1 opposed: vote Nay. The voting is open. Have a1l voted Who wish? Have all voted Who wish? Please take the record. On this question, tbere are 56 Ayes, no Nays, none recorded as Present. And House Bill 879, having received the constitutional majority, is hereby declared passed. 883 is on the Recall. 886. Out of the record. 897. Senator Jacobs. Read the bill, Mr. Secretary.

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HARRY) House Bill 897. (Secretary reads tltle of bill) 3rd Reading of the bill.

Senator Jacobs.

Thank you, Mr. President. This bill simply clarifies that saving banks shall have the powers granted by regulations promulgated under the Federal Deposik Insurance Act for savings bank. This is supported by the Illinois League of Savings Institution and the Commissioner of Savings and Residential Finance. I know of no opposition to the bill, and ask for its support.

Discussion? Any discussion? If not, the question is, shall House Bill 897 pass. Those ln favor, vote Aye. Opposed, vote Nay. The votin: is open. A1l voted Who wish? Have a11 voted who wish? Have a11 voted who wish? Take the record. On that question, there are 58 Ayes: no Nays, none voting Present. House Bill 897, having received the required constitutional majority, is 60  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25 , 1991 declared passed. 927. Senator Cullerton. Read the bill, Mr. Secretary, please.

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HARRY) House Bill 927. (Secretary reads title of bill) 3rd Reading of the bill.

Senator Cullerton.

Thank youe Mr. President and Members of the Senate. House Bill 927 is identlcal to Senate Bill 679: khich we passed to the House. Excludes from the Water -- Metropolitan Water Reclamation District's bond limitation certain bonds that are issued for repayment of money received from the Water Pollution Control Revolving Loan Fund. In addition, we adopted two amendments. One would permit sanitary districts to request the discontinuation of water service to individuals who refuse to pay their sewer bills. This Act would not apply to any water service provided by a private water utility, and it would not apply to any tenants in a building or where there's a separate fire prevention system in a commerclal or industrial facility. And finally, the bill also provides that trustees of sanitary districts can receive compensation up to four thousand eight hundred dollars a year. Right noW it's three thousand dollars. That kould be determined by the sanitary district. Happy to answer any questions. Move for the passage of the bill.

Discussion? Senator Hall.

Will the sponsor yleld for a question?

Sponsor indieates he will yield' Senator Hall. 61  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Leqislative Day June 25e 1991

Senator, I didn't -- I just caught part of that. Are you saying that if a person fails to pay their sewer bill, that their water would be cut off? Or d1d I hear right?

Senator Cullerton.

Thak is correct. If -- in certain circumstances, and with due process notice, the -- and it would not apply in any case Where there was a tenant. So it's only When the person who oues the water bill knows that if they don't pay their kater bill, that their sewer -- I'm sorry -- if they don't pay their sewer bill, that their water wtll be cut off. And it does not apply to any private water utilities.

Senator Hall.

trying to get this stralght. We have a large group of people in the East St. Louis area, and they have terrific sewer bills, and many of them are on General Assistance, aid and everything. And you mean to say that if a person owes a sewer bill that you would cut their water off? Am I hearing you right?

Senator Cullerton.

Well, would just indicate ehae it does no* apply to multi-family units. It would only be a situation where *here is one person who owns a house, has a sewer bill. haven 't been paying their sewer bill. And if they don't pay their bills, you know, eventually they cuE off your utilities. They cut off your -- your heat or your -- your Water, or if you donlt pay your electriciky bill, they shut off your electricity eventually, after due 62  STATE OP ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Leqislative Day June 25' 1991 process. And this is the same principle. If they don't pay your sewer bill, they turn your water off. Instead of turning your sewer -- they don't turn your seWer off. They turn your water off instead. PRESIDENT ROCKI Senator Hall.

Well, I think this is really a very bad bill. In other words, here is a person who has no job, and youlre going to deny people Water? That's just like turning off heat and anything else. And you say -- what do you mean by private? It doesn't apply to prkvate -- what -- you say it does not apply to private water bills -- or water companies? Did read you right?

Senator Cullerton.

yes, to answer your question, Senator, the bill only applies to situations where the sanitary district, which is a unit of loeal government, and the public water utility, which is also a unit of loeal government, comply with an lnkergovernmêntal agreement. Thatls the only time this bill would -- would apply. there -- as there are in many parts of the State, water services provided by a private water utility, then this Act would not apply. But, Senator. I would tell you in answering your previous question, if people don't pay their water bills now, they can have their water shuk off. Thatls the laW right now. And this just says if they don't pay their sewer bills, they can have thelr water shut off, only after due process protections are covered . There has to be a notice that goes out. There must be an indication that if they don't pay they ean be -- have their service cut off. And, you know, think that certainly therefs reasonable notice. But if people don't pay tbeir bills, then  STATE 0F ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25y 1991' everybody has to pay with higher -- higher charges.

Senator Hall.

Well, eertainly want to speak against this, because we have our area down there that -- what they call the river bottoms: and a tot of these people have been brought into court. They don't have jobs, and they get judgment against them. Many of them have water -- sewer bills of five and six hundred dollars. And this company charges the people who do pay to make up the difference. And I just -- I just couldnlt understand -- I don't know hoW that bill ever got over here. You're denying a person the right to have -- have -- because of their sewer, and a 1ok of these people canft pay. Now, what are we goin: to do now when it comes time -- folks who are on General Assistanee and theydve talked about eliminating all this, and they're not going to have waeer in the'ir homes? That's a bad bill. I don 't understand how that ever got out of committee.

Purther discussion? Further discussion? Senator Cullerton, to close.

Well, I appreciate the Gentleman's concern, and I eertainly have sponsored bills this year to help people who are -- are victims of -- of utility service being cut off when it's not fair. But when someone doesn't pay their bille we all end up paying, and I thinky after giving them due processr it's fair to suggestz in these limited circumstances, that they they should be encouraged to pay their bills. And this is what the bill is al1 about. So I'd ask for an Aye vote.

Question is, shall House Bill 927 pass. Those in favor will 64  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25. 1991 vote Aye. Opposedr vote Nay. And the voting is open. Have a11 voted wha wish? Have all voted Who Wish? Have a11 voted who wish? Take the record. On that question, there are 36 Ayes, 12 Nays, voting Present. House Bi1l 927, having reeeived the required constitutional majority, is declared passed. 969. Senator Jones. 1007. Senator Marovitz. On the top of Page Ladies and Gentlemen, on the Order of House Bills 3rd Reading, is House Bill 1007. Mr. Secretary: read the bill, please.

ACTINO SECRETARY: (MR. HARRX) House Bill 1007. (Secretary reads title of bill) 3rd Reading of the bill.

Senator Marovitz.

Thank you very much, Mr. President and Members of the Senate. House Bill 1007 makes references in the Act gender-neutral and updates a reference to the Clerks of Court Act. We do expect the bill to go to conferenee, and will put in some suggestions by the courts in their decisions regarding child support as well as the judges who handle these cases on a day-to-day basis. Solieit your Aye vote.

Discussion? Any discussion? Senator Geo-Karis.

Wt11 the sponsor yield for a question?

Sponsor indicates he will yieldw Senator Geo-Karis.

Senator, is khis Ehe bill that says tbat you don't have to prove a substantial change in circumstances before you ask for an ! increase in support? 65  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislatkve Day June 25, 1991 PRESIDENT ROCK: Senator Marovitz. SENATOR MAROVITZ) No. PRESIDENT ROCK: Senator Geo-Karis. A1l right. Any further discussian? If notr the question ks, shall House Bill 1007 pass. Those in favor, vote Aye. Opposedz vote Nay. The voting ls open. A11 voted who Wish? Have all voted who wish? Have a1l voted who Wish? Take the record. On that question, there are 53 Ayes, 1 Nay, none voting Present. House Bill 1007, having received *he required constitutional majority, is declared passed. 1092. 1171. Senator Cullerton. On the Order of House Bills 3rd Reading is House Bill 1171. Read the bill, Mr. Secretary, please. ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HAPRY) House Bill 1171. (Secretary reads title of bill) 3rd Reading of the bill. PRESIDENT ROCK: Senator Cullerton. SENATOR CULLERTON: Thank youz Mr. President and Members of the Senate. This bill at this stage is a vehicle bill. It's introduced at the request of the children's hospitals in Illinois. It's meant to deal With this issue of assessments which is still up in the air. And so I would move for its passaqe. PRESIDENT ROCK: Discussion? Discussion? If notz the question is, shall House Bill 1171 pass. Those in favor will vote Aye. Opposed, vote Nay. And the voting is open. Have all voted Who wish? Have a11 voted Who wish? Have a11 voted who wish? Take the record. On that question, there are 57 Ayes, no Nays, none voting Present. House 66 . . ---- ---- ---. -.-.. -. .  STATE OP ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legkslatkve Day June 25, 1991 Bi11 1171, having received the required constitutional majority, is declared passed. 1203. Senator Smith. Read the bill, Mr. Secretaryz please.

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HARRY) House Bill 1203. (Secretary reads title of bill) 3rd Reading of the bill.

Senator Smith.

Thank you, Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. I have House Bill 1203, which is molded after a California 1aw where the State Legislature specifies the grant amounts, rather than having the welfare agency establish minimum payment levels and by rules: as is the practice in Tllinois. The purpose of codifying the rates, which was attempted ten years ago, is to make it clear to recipients, policy makers, budget planners, et cetera, what the menial <sic> level of grants will be. Now under Hause Bill 1203 the grants amount are ten percent over current rates. The grant amounts are based on the size of the assistance unit according to the geographical county groupings. As I had passed out to you, you Will see that in from group one, especially in the County of Cook, a person would -- an adult -- they get, for a month, two hundred -- only two hundred and twelve dollars. This is current. And without an adult, they only get a hundred and two dollars a month. And alsoy like in group three, you get two -- which îs some of the downstate areas -- counties, they would get two hundred and four dollars, and a single person would ge* ninety-seven. In group three, with an adult - and that's another area of our eounties down in Alexanderg Christian and Marion and places of that sort - they would get -- with an adult, they would get a hundred and seventy-three dcllars a month, and Without an 67  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25# 1991 adulty only ninety-four dollars. And in the City of Chicago, you Would only get a hundred and sixty-five dollars a month. So the current welfare system payments are approximately 45.3 percent of the standard of need, and by 01/01/91, value of payments have declined- to 43 percent. And due to comparatively 1ow rates, many of people are moving from the State of Illinois - they are goin: to Wisconsin which is causing a lot of problems in these other areas. And so the last increase in our State Was in 1985, which was only pergent. And. I eome to you today to ask that we think in terms of this bill and remember that 1203 has no fiscal impact for the Year 192. The grant inerease included ln 1203 does not become effective until Piscal Year And is estimated that Will cost approximately ten million for each one percent across the board. I'm asking to remember that poverty does not discriminate. It has no race, color nor religion. I'm askinq for your favorable vote to think in terms of these people, beeause many of these people, even though they are on relief and general assistance now, they havenft always been there. But because jobs have .left where they'lived, because plants have closed down: and because of many circumstances has put them on this relief roll. And so T'm asking that we a1l support this bill: because thls is much needed, remembering that it will not become effective until 1993.

All right. The Lady has moved passage of House Bi11 1203. Dtscussion? senator Topinka.

Yes, Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. As always, T admire Senator Smith's good intentions. I knok her heart's in the right plaee. You know, we still owe seven hundred million dollars in bills. There are cuts bein: planned a11 over this place. Welre going to be cutting back on social services. 68 r' STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GCNERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25, 1991 We are still debating whether or not we're going to have any kind of retention of the temporary tax increase, and then whether or not we 'll even be able to tap into that to pay our bills. We are so in the hole we don't know where to go. Yes, she is correct. It is only ten million dollars this year. We don't have that ten million dollars, unless comes out of some other proqram that is already hurting. And by 1993, we dondt know we're going to have 94.3 million dollars. But this is golng to lock us into a program. For all intents and purposes, creates an entitlement. We are not going to be able to to chanqe this. It's going to lock the Department in. It is just something at this time we cannot afford, and I Would ask for a No vote. PRESIDENT ROCK: Further discussion? Senator Hall. SENATOR HALL: want to rise in support of this bill, but Want to address the former speaker. Senator, I've been listening to your tirade here, day after day. It's Wonderful - it's a1l of this, but here you want to -- you want to say that we don't have money to pay for a1l these things. We got a 1ot of programs that are coming on here right now. And what youdre saying is this and one thing that happens. I see khat's happening throughout the country, and you see that. These scoundrels on S Ls that stole billions and billions of dollars. And we come around here and say *e don't have money to do these things. But yet we do come up with things here. These are Ehings Ehat people need. We talking about folks that's going to have -- it's just like this other bill that passed. People are trying to pay their bills, and they don't have enough money to pay them. And you say that's wonderful. Oh, that's great. Itfs great. But the bottom line is you're denying people that need basic things. And any time you deny people the right to have a right to purchase some things here 69  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLX REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25, 1991 -- and I'm telling you: it's just a shame before God that we'd stand up here and say tbat it's wonderful, a1l these things that's happening. I tell you, I Would like -- and I ask everyone to put an Aye vote up here on thls blll.

Further discussion? Seqator Collins.

Thank you, Mr. President and Members of the Senate. rise in support of House Bill 1203. I realize, Senator Toplnka, that money is short this year, but as I said before: we have a responsibility as legislators to enact laws that kill provide the necessary resources to respond to the human needs of the people of the State of Illinois, and especially those who are unable to provide for themselves. When the public welfare system was created, it was designed to help people, on a temporary basis, to become self-sufficient. Unfortunatelyr in thls State We have made the Welfare system a way of life, and it is due to our actions and our policies, laws and -- rules and regulations that have made people become self-dependent, generation after generation. If we could bite the bullet and face the facts and stop bein: penny-wise and dollar-foolish and provide enough money for those People who have legitimate needs - I1m not talking about deadbeats or people who don 't want to 9et off welfare - but if we provide enough money to provide the motivation and the resources for people to go out and to seek training and employment to lift themselves up and to qet off welfare, we will find that wikhin five to ten years, We would have drastically reduced the dependency in this State on welfare. But we don't do that. All we do is provide enough money to provide healthy contracts: because public aid and public welfare in this State has become an industry within itself - the largest growth industry. And the people - the recipients - are not really the people who actually get the dollars. And that's 70  STATE 0P ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 5Gth Legkslatize Day June 25, 1991 what it's al1 about, Senator Toplnka. This is what Senator Smith is talking aboue. It's to sbift some of those dollars to the aid recipients, at least enough to provide them with th9 motivation bo get up in the morning, to get themselves together, and to get out and try and seek job employment, job training, so that they can better themselves and qet off welfare. Most people on welfare don't want to be on welfare. We should pass this bill, and the tkme is now to do it.

Further discussion? Senator Butler.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There have been a number of good points made herez particularly in the last feW speakers. There was mentioned al1 ue have to do is provide enough. Now, I haven't been in this Chamber very long, as you know. But hoW much is enough? It would seem to me that ten million dollars this year, ninety-four million dollars next year - that ought to come close - somehow someday to being enough. Now we talk -- the speaker also mentioned about a way of life.. Will this helpe or will harm? The problem we have is somebody has to come up with ninety-four million dollars. We talk about raising taxes very reluctantly. Here's ninety-four million bucks we're going to have to find . Not a drop kn a bucket. Someway, somehow, we have to come to some grip with what -- the answer to the question: ''What is enough?''

Further discussion? Further discussion? Senator Topinka.

Yes. Mr. President, I reluctankly rise to speak a second time, but I must admit that Senator Hall's argument kind of -- you knowy tingled my sensitivities a bit here, and that is is that this is somehow a shame before God that I come out and try and plead to 71  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSTON SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25, 1991 defend a budget that is so rickety and -- in such trouble, with no money to pay for the programs We currently have in place. You know , We did this to the State of Illinois ourselves, and we did it with just these kind of bills. We did and if you Want a shame before God -- and for a1l practical purposes, God has got nothing to do with this - we did We did it because We promised people things we eouldn 't deliver. We did it by issuing rubber checks. We did it by raising expectations that could never be met. And Sndeed there is a shame before God, that is what it is - because we made promlses to people who are sick and tired and poor, and then we left them in a lurch. This is not going to solve the problem . We don't have the money. I want a No vote.

Further discussion? Senator Smith, you may close.

Thank you, Mr. President. merely Want to correct the Senator on the other side Who said about ninety-three million dollars. It is note and this is going to be handled halfway by the Federal Government if We put up our part.. And this is not going to be effeetive immediately. It's only to Fiscal 193. I ask - I ask for a favorable vote on this bill, because these people are dependent upon the State of Illinois for their living: and they have families and they need your help. Thank you.

Question is, shall House Bill 1203 pass. Those in favor will vote Aye. Opposed will vote Nay. And the voEing is open. Havê all voted Who wish? Have a1l voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Take the record. 0n that question, there are 21 Ayes, 34 Nayse none voting Present. House Bill 1203, having failed to receive the required constitutional majority, is declared lost. 1216 and 1220 the Chair has been informed are on the Recall List. 1228. Senator Maitland. On the Order of House Bills 3rd Readinge  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGDLAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Le:islative Day June 25e 1991 the middle of Paqe 9, Ladies and Gentlemen, is House Bill 1228. Read the billa please.

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HARRY) House Bill 1228. (Secretary reads title of bil1) 3rd Readin: of the bill.

Senator Maitland .

Thank you very much, Mr. President, Members of the Senate. House Bill 1228 recognizes a problem that we had With bicyele rallying when those rallies Were used upon -- on State and county highways. This expands the -- the Act to cover bike rallies, and we further pue a definition for bicycle rallying in the bill. And the State Police have asked for an amendment: which we placed upon yesterday, that clarifies that they ean investigate and check truckers for safety purposes. 1 know of no opposikion. I would appreciate your support.

Any discussion? Diseussion? If not, the question is, shall House Bill 1228 pass. Those in favor will vote Aye. Opposed, vote Nay. And the voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have a11 voked who wish? Have all voted who Wish? Take *he record. On that question, there are 51 Ayes, 2 Nays, none voting Present. House Bill 1228, having received the required constitutional majority, is declared passed. 1288. Senator Friedland. 1297 is on the Recall. 1312. Senator D 'Arco. 1352 is on the Recall. 1405. Senator Maitland. On the Order of House Bills 3rd Reading, bottom of Page 9, is House Bill 1405. Read the bill, please. ACTING SECRETARY) (MR. HARRY) House Bill 1405. (Secretary reads title of bill) 73  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 5ûth Legkslative Day June 25, 1991 3rd Reading of the bill.

Senator Maitland.

Thank you very much, Mr. Presidenty Members of the Senate. House Bill 1405 exempts the Illinois Department of Transportation from lkability or financial responsibility concerning underground utility or cable facilities located on highway right-of-way by permit. It further, by an amendment offered by Senator Demuzio, exempts land surveyors from the requirements of JULIE and further, Amendment No. 2 allowed contraetors who work in the City of Chicago to call the cityfs one-call system instead of -- instead of JULIE. I know of no opposition. Would appreciate your support.

Discussion? Discussion? If notr the question is, shall House Bill 1405 pass. Those in favor will vote Aye. Opposed, vote Nay. And the voting ls open. Have a11 voted who wish? Have all voted Who wish? Have a11 voted who wish? Take the record. 0n that question, tiere are 56 Ayes, no Nays, none voting Present. House Bkl1 1405: having reeeived the required constitutional majority, is declared passed. Bottom of Page 9, 1470. Senator Cullerton. Read the bill, Mr. Secretary, please.

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HARRX) House Bill 1470. (secretary reads title of bl11) 3rd Reading of the bill.

Senator Cullerton.

Thank you, Mr. President. Members of the Senate, we have debated this bill extensively on 2nd Reading. This bill would 74  STATE OP ILLINOIS 87th CENERAL ASSEMBLX REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25, 1991 require that group hea1th insurance policies provide insurance coveraqe for more ehan twenty-five employees for pregnancy-related benefits to provide coverage for the diagnosis and treatment of infertility. I would emphasize that this bill has -- has been amended so that it does not apply to individual policies. It does not apply to any company that employs less than twenty-five people. It does not apply to self-insurers. And thereforee even thouqh I think it Would be a good idea for the State to provide this coverage, we are not even able by law to require the State to provide this coverage. It does affect not a small, seleet group of people, but rather eigbty-five thousand couples. The cost, we look at other states, the experience in other states, the cost has been anywhere from sixty cents per family per month to a dollar nineteen, as is in Minnesota. And We have focused on the faet that this deals with in vitro fertilization: and there's been some concerns raised by legislators Wbo are concerned about the pro-life issue. Let me just simply say for the purposes of legislative intent and I think this is implicit in the bill - that this insurance coverageé which is designed to help people have children, does not pay for any abortions. If a fertilized embryo ls implanted in a Woman, and she's having more than one child and she wishes to not have that many children and she decides to have an abortion, whether or not that is paid for by insurance has nothing to do with this bill. This bill does not pay for that procedure. As a result, I think that those people who are pro-life lesislators should be voting for the bill because, indeed, it's designed to help people who cannot have children: have children. And that's what the bill is all about. Be happy to answer any questions, and I would urqe your Aye vote.

Discussion? Senator Lechowicz.

75  STATE 0F ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT sGth Legislative Day June 25, 1991 Thank you, Mr. President and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. I rise in support of House Bill 1470. It's an Act to build Illinois families. Simply statedy this measure would require that group insurance policies treat infertility the same as other diseases. In addition, this bill would bring hope to couples Who desperately want children. As amended, 1470 is a reasonable middle ground between positions of the insurance industry and fertility advocates, including the American Fertility Society and the Family Buildin: Act Committee of Resolve. Excluded now from the seope of this bill are individual policies. Opponents wkl1 tell you that infertility is not a disease. The Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals, however, disagreed in a 1990 case entitled Egert versus Connecticut General Life. Opponents also raised the spector of high cost; however, about ninety-five percent of people suffering from infertilkty can be treated successfully by drugs alone ae a cost of approximately one dollar per month per knsured family. We should not allow infertility to be the only disease that is not covered by group insurance. This disease affects almost ten peccent of Illinois eouples , including those of every skin color and ethnie origin. This Senate should have the compassion to help these couples achkeve their dreams ot building a family. I urge an Aye vote.

Further discussion? Senator Madigan.

Tbank youy Mr. êresident. QueBtion of the sponsor.

Sponsor indicates he will yield, Senator Madigan . Senator Cullerton? Senator Madigan.

With Senate Amendment No. 2 on it, Senator, how does this bill differ from House Bill 133? 76  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLX REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25, 1991

Senator Cullerton.

The maïn difference - and T belleve the only difference is that we -- but Which is a slgnificant difference, is that we said that this laW shall not apply to individual policies, only group policies. PRESIDENT ROCK) Senator Madigan.

Thank you, Mr. President. I have a follow-up, and khen I Want to speak to the bill. The -- is this bill now going to -- is it your intent to send this bill to conference committee, Senator? Are We going to -- are we going to see this bill again if it does pass?

Senator Cullerton.

No, I'm -- my intent would be to suggest to the.House sponsor that he try to pass it, although I don't know, obviously, what *he outcome of that vote's going to be in the -- in the House. But kf itls not concurred withr we would go to a conference committee.

Senator Cullerton. T mean: Senator Madigan. I'm sorry.

Tbank you, Mr. President. To the bill' and don't Wan: to belabor the point. I've stood many times in opposition to this billr and remain opposed to this bill. It was the intent of the commitkee at the time and as you can see, wedve had many different versions of this bill in an attempk to get it in passable form. I still don't feel that this bill, as it stands today, should be passed. Was the intent of the Committee that  STATE OP ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25, 1991 we continue to take testimony on this bill and see if the bill can be reaehed in suah a fashion that everybody can support it. There are some things that we could do to support this bill. However, as it stands, I would -- I stand opposed to ity and would ask that this bill be opposed. Thank you.

Further discussion? Senator Jacobs.

Thank you, Mr. President. Will the sponsor yield for a question?

Sponsor indieates he will yield, Senator Jacobs.

Thank you. Senator Cullerton, I know that youdre calling this bill today because you had made a commitment to do that, and I had asked your earlier about a amendment which Would take eare of some concerns that I and some of the local people that We have in our area are coneerned with, in regards to out-of-state insureds by people who are insured within the State. And we were going to try to put that on as an amendment. We weren't able to get on this bill. Are you still committed to to make sure that We try to 9et that amendment on another bill to get it out of here so that those eoncerns are taken care of?

Senakor Cullerton.

Yes, absolutely. It's not a controversial amendment, and Ilm sure that we can and I'm committed to -- have attempted already to try to find a vehicle for thls amendment, if this bill shall pass, for this amendment to also pass.

Further discussion? Senator Schuneman. 78  STATE OP ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLX REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25, 1991

Thank you, Mr. President. The last exchange was interesting, because apparently the bill has not been amended to address the concerns of Deere & Company, Who have a trust arrangement that they sell to dealers throughout the United States but is organized here in Illinois. It is their eoneern that if this bill passes and they're not excluded from ity they Won't be able to sell that plan throughout the United States because of the cost. Now, we 're al1 hearing estimates of the cost, and I don't think anybody really knows what the true cost is. I have a question of the sponsor, if he'll yield, Mr. President.

Sponsor indicates he will yieldy Senator Schuneman.

Senator, would you take a look at Page 5 of the amendment and explain that to me?

Senator Cullerton. SENATOR CULLERTON) Are you are you suggesking that the amendment's not in order, or is there a specific part of Page 5 that you Want me to address?

Senator Schuneman.

I think it's obvious that the amendment is not ln order, Senator.

Senator Cullerton.

The amendment repeats lt -- repeat -- .

79  STATE 0F ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 2$, 1991 Xes, I understand from the staff that the amendment -- is repeated twice and that that's something that is not -- does not render the bill ineffective.

Senator Schuneman.

Well, to the bill, Mr. President: certainlyz the amendment is defective and will have to be cbanged. I'm surprised that the sponsor indicated he wants the bill to pass in its current form, because it doesn't addrmss ehe concerns of Senator Jacobsw nor does -- nor is the amendment in proper order. But beyond that, for those of you who are wanting to vote for this bill with the idea that youlre going to help those people that Wrote to you, let me make this point. Fifty-four percent of the people that are insured in Illinois are covered by self-insured plans. So, fifty percent fifty-four percent of the people who have insurance in Illinois aren't going to be covered by this plan. Ten pereent of all those who are covered have individual policies and theyfre excluded. Ten percent are the-smallest employers in Illinois, those that qualify for the bare-bones coverage. Remember thae? And believe they are excluded. So that leaves only tkenty-six percent of the people who have insurance that will be affected by this bill. Now, is that really what you think youdre voting for? And those people are the ones Who are covered by small group insurance for the most part, employers who have less than five hundred employees in this State. You're not affectlng any of the big plans, and you're not glving this coverage to most of the people who wrote to you. think the bill should be held. If We really want to do this, We ought to study lt and get the bill in proper order before we pass it, and I would urge a No vote.

Further discussion? Senator Jones. 80  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLV REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25, 1991

Yeah, thank you, Mr. President and Members of the senate. I rise to echo the remarks also of Senator Schuneman and also the Minority Spokesman, Senator Madigan. And the bill still has serious problems. This is the reason why we had agreed to, you know, attempt to deal with this issue as well as the big, broader issue of a11 those persons in Illinols who have no insurance whatsoever. And to have policyholders pay just to take care of a small group, when We leave the -- nany out here With no insurance or underinsurance - just the basic coverage of insurance. And I conveyed this to the sponsor, but the sponsor is quite skillful. He find many vehicles. I don't know hok you do this, John, find many vehicles to slide this b1ll on. But I think the bill should be held until such time as we deal with the entire insurance issue and not pass legislation just to take care of a select group al1 of his own and leave those Who really need the basic coverage insurance left out. And I ask for a No vote on this bill.

Further discussion? Senator Hudson.

Thank you, Mr. President. I Want to commend the sponsor for making what I think has been a good-faith effort to address himself to some of the objections to this bill. I stood before and spoke against it, and there's one thing that still bothers me. Now, the insurance aspects of this have already been pretty well covered, so I'm not goinq to try to repeat those. Bukg Senator, What bothers me a little bit is this - that *he letters from so many people that have heard from are interested in life. Theydre interested in adding a life to their families. Where they have not been able to have a baby before, this would give them a chanee. What bothers me is that there's seill a eatch to it, and that is that we may end up with more lives, embryos implanted and 81  STATE OP ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislatkve Day June 25, 1991 lives started, than the woman actually wants. NoW she's going to have to be told, as I understand that if there are too many there, too many babies growing - let's say three, when she only wants or can afford to have one, and two of them have to be done away with or aborted - that that part of the process or procedure is not covered under the insurance. And you dre assuring me that that is right. But nonetheless, that is part of the part of the entire process into which she has entered -- these people have entered. Knd I don't know what some of them are 9oin9 to say when they're told -- and I assume then that they have to pay the bills for the -- as the doctor told mez reduction. I call it abortion. But don't know how -- I don't know how you separate all of the -- the two different things that we're doing. And of course, I still have a philosophical objection to voting for a bill which implies, even though it's not perhaps a part of your insurance and I know Weire talkin: about insurance - but nonetheless the whole concept includes reduction of life as well as adding to life. So on one hand we're trying to build this family, and on the other hand we're saying/ ''Well, yeah, there's going to have to be some life destroyed, but anyway it's not part of the insurance. So, close our eyes to ito'' I cannot close my eyes to that, John, with al1 due respect to you - and you have tried hard. But I'm still going to have to vote No.

Purther discussion? Senator Raiea.

Thank you, Mr. President and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. I stood up on the Floor the last time Senator Cullerton had this issue before us, and I supported him then, and I've heard many of the same arguments. I stand up today When Senator Cullerton once again calls the bill up, and I still hear the same arguments. Senator Jones, you talk about a select group of 82  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25, 1991 people. And we talk about creating windows for people, windows cf opportunity to help pensions and insurance and everything else. And this Body here has probably created more windows than Captain Kirk in the Enterprise and Nassau combined. But We do that for certain individuals certain individuals that we feel are important, like maybe ex-legislators, other politiclans, some other selected group of individuals. And then We hear the discussion and tbe arguments about letting nature take its course. think Senator Hudson last time mentioned 1et nature take its course or one of the other legislators says wedll let nature take its course. If that's what nature had in mind or intended, then I guess then that's what we'll have to do. What do we do about people who have polio or glaucoma? The people With glaucoma We jus: let them go blind? We don't perform surgery on these individuals? People With scoliosis - we don't intend to correct the curvature of the spine? We just allow them to to be crippled for the rest of their lives. These people here that are before us are a select group of individuals. There's eighty-five thousand throughout t.he State of Illinois. That's a pretty larqe number. It's not their fault that they can't have children naturally. Therefs either a disease or there's a problem that has occurred. There 's a large group of insurance companies throughout this State of Illinois. Prudential Insurance has over three hundred million policy holders, or policies that were sold. Bankers Casualty has around a hundred and sixty-eight million. think *hat we deserve -- and allow these people to have the chance tc have children and to be good -- good parents and loving mothers and loving fathers. This doesnlt say that -- or what I meant to say is, Senator Schuneman mentioned twenty-six percent - this is only kwenty-six percent of the people that are going to be affected or insurance policles. But we do things for much larger on a much larger scale most of the time. This is a 83  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25, 1991 small group of people, and I just hope that we can help them out. This is a worthy cause, and we need to give them the opportunity of hope and the opportunity to bring life into this world. And just solicit an Aye vote.

A1l right. We have six or eight additional Members who have indicated their willingness to address this issue. Senator DeAngelis. SENATOR DeANGELIS: Thank you, Mr. President. 1'11 be very brief. There can be no greater anguish on the part of a married couple to find out they're unable to have a child: but what is of a greater anguish is to find out there is a solutkon aad that it's not avaklable to them. This bill simply does one thing, and that is to allow people - people who want to have children - to have children. And I don't know hoW we can be against something like that.

Further discussion? Senator Holmberg.

Thank you, Mr. President. Those of you who have watched on television all of this year the pllght of the American couples that have gone to Rolania to adopt a child, should have been present in the Insurance Committee as many of the same type of couple came before the Committee to tell of their anguish in trying to afford to have a baby. They talked of spending the equlty in their homes, knowing Ehat the treatment might not be successful the first time and that they might have to go back again, and yet not have insurance to cover it. We in this Body, as I have mentioned beforey would not think of cutting off insurance for those at the end of life who are terminally ill and need hundreds of thousands of dollars to keep alive, and that is right; We should not. Neither should we cut off insurance for 84  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25, 1991 those at the beginning of life who want to live. This is to enable a healthy baby to be born into a happy, nuclear family, and in many cases, never to burden the insurance system again. This is the least that we can do.

Further discussion? Senator Marovitz.

Thank you very much, Mr. President and Members of the Senate. If you had wanted to hear how important this issue was, it would have been very interesting to have been in the Insurance Committee when this bill came up, and heard -- really the gut-wrenching and heartwarming stories of individuals who had tried everything - exhausted every remedy - to try and have a familyz and how very important this was to them . They had tried everything. They left no stone unturned, and now are turning to us as the last resort. And we are here eonstantly talking about kids and constantly talking about families and constantly talking about priorities, and it's always been our priority in this Body to encourage families and encourage people to have families and encourage loving parents. That's what this bill is al1 about. No: you can't help everyone. But the fact isz there are indivlduals who have tried everything and for Whom We are the last resort. Let's remember this when we push our button and decide where our prioritles are and whether ue truly want to encourage families. This is a very good and a very important bill.

Further discussion? Senator D'Arco.

Thank you, Mr. President. This is not an abortion bill. I think we're wedre confused about the issue here. This bill has nothing to do with abortion. These embryos, for the most part, expel themselves naturally. Now: does that mean these embryos are 85  STATE OP ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25, 1991 bekng aborted? The fact of the matter is, Ladies and Gentlemen, in vitro fertilization is legal in the State of Illinois. Believe it or not, this procedure is quite correct and proper, and there's nothing kllegal about kt kn the State of Illinoks. So What are we getting so upset about? Why we're being -- why are we denying these infertile couples the right to try to have a baby? These people are suffering because they can't conceive of a child. This has nothing to do with what the right-to-life people perceive as taking away life. That's not the issue. The issue is to get these people insurance so they can provide themselves with the drugs and the procedures that are necessary to go through -- go through the process in order to have a baby. Thak's all this is. There's nothing sinister about this. Vote for the people that need this. Quit thinking about a1l these crazy ideas. Forget about ideas. Think about people's hearts and their feelings and what theydre going through. Be a humqn being once in a While. Think about the individual once in a While. Think about the child that can be conceived as a result of this. Show your humanity for these people. Vote Aye on this bill.

Purther dkscusskon? Senatol Geo-Karks.

Mr. President and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate, much of what I would have said has already been said. There 's no question we have about eighty-five thousand couples in Illinois that need Ehis help. And if they get this help, they might be able to conceive and produce the children they really Want love and care for. I think we should give them the opportunity. I speak in favor of this bill. I think it's a good bill, and We've got to help those people too.

Further discussion? Further discussion? Senator Hudson, for 86  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25, 1991 the second time.

Mr. President, do apologize. I think this is the first time here that I have risen to speak a second time, and T apologize for that. We are being enjoined here to forget -- forget about ideas. This reminds me of a speech I heard made once When I was in the House, when the speaker saidz ''Let's forget about ethics and morality and :et back to the serious business of government.'' We cannot forqet about ideas, and you cannot separate these two issues, Senator, whether we'd like to or not. When we go down this pathz we are creating life and those embryos are not necessarily and I was in -- the Insuranee Committee too, and asked the doctor some questions. And he admitted to me that, yes, in many cases they would have to - he called reduction. They would have to effect a reduction in these embryos; otherwise, theylre going to continue to live in the Woman's uterus just as sure as the sun will come up tomorrow. And a decision has to be made. And that decision is what do We do with those that we don't want? We discard them, I guess. We abort them . And he had to -- be didn't like to use it -- the Word, but that's what has to happen. So, on one hand, I commend those Who are urging for the creation of life for those couples that cannot have it. I can I can commiserate with them . I really can. They Want children. They can't have them. But with this process, we're doing two things: we are creating life; We are also making possible that we have to destroy it. There is a connection. And on that basis, I simply still cannot vote for this bill.

Further discussion? Senator Cullertony you may close.

Thank you very much, Mr. Presldent and Members of the Senate. Let me just quiekly address some of the issues. With regard to 87  STATE OP ILLTNOIS 87th GENCRAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25, 1991 the arguments made by Senator Schuneman as to who it applies toy it's true it doesn't apply to everybody. The Federal Government says we can't make it apply to self-insurers. We, at the request of objections in *he committee, made it not apply to individual policies. That was at the request of Members in the committee. At the request of also Members of the General Assembly, we have it limited to not cover the truly small employers, under twenty-five employees. I mean: those were decisions that were made because we didn 't want it to have such a negative effect on those particular types of policies. So, that's why it's only limited to the people that it covers - that is, the group coverage. With regard to the pro-life issue, let me just simply say, for the purposes of legislative intent, one more time this bill talks about insurance Which treats infertility. It does not cover any abortion proeedures. And when you treat successfully -- when you successfully treat infertility, you're talking about bringing a life into the world. The cost, as I saidz is minimal. I think it's somethin: which is a matter of public policy we should pass. And let me just -- one other . point that hasn't been made. It's important. Think about it. Because there's still a soclal stigma to infertility, people do not go in and negotiate for these benefits on their own. They just simply don't do it. It's a risk that is in your future. You don't know it's going to happen. You don 't know who you're going to marry, and you don't know who that - - whether that person's going to be knfertile or not. You don't know lf youdre infertile. It's not something you can go in and and negotiate for With your employer. As a result, that's Why we have to have it required throuqh the Statute. I ask for an Aye vote.

Question is, shall Eouse Bill 1470 pass. Those in favor will vote Aye. Opposed, vote Nay. And the votin: is open. Have a11 88  STATE 0P ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSZMBLX RECULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislakive Day June 25e 1991 voted who wish? Have al1 voted who wish? Have a1l voted Who wish? Have al1 voted Who wish? Have a1l voted Who wish? Take the record. On that question, there are 29 Ayes, 27 nays, voting Present. House Bill 1470, having failed to receive the required constitutional majority, is declared lost. Sponsor requests further consideratton be postponed. So ordered. Top of Page 10. Page l0. 1478. Senator Leverenz. 1499. Senator Marovitz. Read the bill, Mr. Secretary, please.

APTTNG SECRETARY: (MR. HARRY) House Bill 1499. (Secretary reads title of bill) 3rd Reading of the bill.

Senator Marovitz.

Thank you very much, Mr. President and Members of the Senate. House Bill 1499 provides for the use of closed circuit televising of a child witness' testimony in a trial for aggravated criminal sexual assault, crlminal sexual assaultz- aggravated criminal sexual abuse and criminal sexual abuse. This bill would assist prosecutors in child sex cases by allowing the child Witness to testify without having to look at the defendant. Most molesters occupy a position of trust ln relation to the witness. As a result, the child frequently breaks down When foreed to look the defendant directly in the eye. Nowe we in the General Assembly attempted to deal with this problem when we passed similar le:islatlon a couple of years ago. This Act allowed the State to tape-record the child's testimony prior to trial? with no right to cross examination. However, in a recent case: People versus Bastion, the Illinois Supreme Court found the Statute unconstitutional. This bill satisfies the concerns of that Court in that case, and would make the law constitutional. provides 89  STATE OP ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLX REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25, 1991 that a judge may order the testimony of a child witness under eighteen years in a trial for the offenses that enumerated. There would be a hearing, and the judge would determine whether the circumstances were necessary to tape-record in this particular case. Also, in the bill we allow a court to impose a five- dollar-a-day fee on a1l indivlduals placed on pre-trial and post-conviction bond home supervision. We direct that money collected from alcohol, cannabis and controlled substance defendants can be placed in the Substance Abuse Service Fund, and that money collected from a11 other defendants be placed in the County Working Cash Pund. This portion of the bill attempts address the recent increase in *he use of home monitoring programs to deal with prison overcrowdinq. At least eleven other states currently charge fees like this. It's Working there. It would work very Well here, and I solicit your Aye vote.

Discussion? Senator Geo-Karis.

Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate, simply to concur with Senator Marovitz and urge a favorable vote.

Further discussion? Senator Eawkinson.

Thank youe Mr. President. Will the sponsor yield for two questions?

Indicates he will yield, Senator Hawkinson.

Senatory in the first part of the bill: as understand the amendment limits this to child victim witnesses, as opposed to minor witnesses in general. And secondlyy the last amendment that went onr on the second part of the bill, makes this permissive 90  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25, 1991 With the counties. Is that correct?

Senator Marovitz.

That is eorrect.

Further discussion? Senator Marovitz, do you Wish to close?

Ask for a favorable roll eall.

Question is, shall House Bill 1499 pass. Those in favor, vote Aye. Opposed, vote Nay . The voting is open. Have all voted Who wish? Have a1l voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Take the record. On that question, there are 54 Ayes, no Nays, none voting Present. House Bill 1499: having received the required constitutional majority, is declared passed. 1514 Was on the Recall. 1524. Senator Joyce. Read the bill, Mr. Secretary, please.

ACTING SECRETARX: (MR. HARRY) House Bill 1524. (Secretary reads title of bill) 3rd Reading of the bill.

Senator Joyce.

Thank you, Mr. President. House Bill 1524 has no amendments. We tried some amendments yesterday and they failed. And so it's currently the Way it came from the House. It allows the Tllinois Valley Development Authority to issue non-moral-obligation bonds. And that's all it does.

Discussion? Any discussion? If not: the question is# shall 91  STATE OF ILLINOTS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGPLAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25, 1991 House Bill 1524 pass. Those in favor, vote Aye. Opposed, vote Nay. The votin: is open. A11 voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have a11 voked who wish? Take ehe record. On that question, there are 56 Ayes, no Nays, none voting Present. House Bil1 1524, having received the required constitutional majority, is declared passed. 1537. Senator Leverenz. Read the bill, Mr. Secretaryz please.

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HAPRY) House Bill 1537. (Secretary reads title of bill) 3rd Reading of the bill.

Senator Leverenz.

Thank you, Mr. President. The bill would require counties Within an area served by the Northeastern Illinois Planning Commission with a population over four hundred thousand to enter inko agreements setting standards for the control of stormwater. Answer any questions 'you might have. Ask for your Aye vote to pass the bill.

Discussion? Any discussion? If not, the question is, shall House Bi1l 1537 pass. Those in favor will vote Aye. Opposed, vote Nay. And the voting is open. All voted Who wish? Have a11 voted who wish? Have a1l voted who wish? Take the record. On that question, there are 56 Ayes, no Nays: none voting PresenE. House Bi11 1537, havln: received the required constitutional majcrity, is declared passed. 1565. Senator Vadalabene. Read the bill, Mr. Secretary, please.

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. NADRY) House Bill 1565. (Secretary reads title of bill) 92  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLX REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 5ûth Legislative Day June 25, 1991 3rd Reading of the bill.

Senator Vadalabene.

Yes, thank you, Mr. President and Members of the Senate. House Bi11 1565 -- in 1985 the Department of Public Aid instituted a new payment system for long-term care providers. In order to implement the system, the State temporarily was divided into three regions for payment. The three-cycle system Was never meant to be permanent; and since 1985, two Department Direetors and other DPA representatives have committed to a single-cycle system . In 1989, the eommitment was made publicly that single-cycle billing would become effective January 1, 1990. The Department suggested that the change could be done administratively rather than legislatively. In 1990, House Bill 3655 mandated single-cycle billing and passed the General Assembly, but was vetoed by the Governor. The bill does nothing to change the existing reimbursement to facilities, nor does it mean facilities in any part of the State get pald faster or slower than.any other part of the State. And I Would appreciate a favorable vote.

Discussion? Senator Topinka.

Mr. President, may I ask a question of the sponsor, please?

Sponsor indicates he w1ll yieldg Senator Topinka.

Xes. In Committee, the Department of Public Aid did not testify on this in any capacity. We 1et it out. It does have a fiscal impact of 15.1 million. Do you know if anything has happened with DPA on this bill? Are they in support? Are they against? Or where are they on this bill? 93  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25, 1991

Senator vadalabene.

Yes, the fiscal impact on this issue is in Fiscal 1993: and not this year. PRESIDENT ROCEJ Senator Topinka.

Well, would disagree on that, beeause the fiscal impact is 15.1 million in 692. Then in '93 lt gets to sixty thousand and -- and ie kind of folloks. I realize we have made this promise, and that makes me feel somewhat supportlve of this bill. But my question is, where is the Department of Public Aid on this issue? Are they in support? Are they against? Are they negotiating With long-term care facilities? What are they doing at this point? END OF TAPE TAPE 3

Senator Vadalabene.

At this point, Senaeor Topinka, I don't know khere they are on this issue.

Al1 right. Further diseussion? Senator Severns.

Thank you, Mr. President, Members of the Senate. This bill is a good b111. It provides long-term equity -- equity for long-term facilities both upstate and downstate. It it's one that 94  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legkslative Day June 25, 1991 think is reasonable in approach and at least tries to address some of the problems that exist. I would urge a favorable vote.

Further discussion? Senator Rea.

Thank youz Mr. President. rise in support of this bill. This is -- will only provide the single-cycle system. Itds needed. It's been discussed over the last tWo or three years, and everybody has pretty much been in agreement with And in answer to Senator Topinka's question earlier, I know that two of the past direetors have endorsed this concept. The only thing is that it's never gotten implemented. So I Would ask that you support this bill.

Further discussion? Senator Leverenz.

Thank you, Mr. President. I rise in support of this. I think this is something that everyone has asked for if theydre in the provider business, and that is, they have a right to know when they are going to get their money. That's exactly what this does. T don't know of anyone that should be opposed to this, and I ask your Aye vote.

Further discussion? If not, Senator Vadalabene, to close.

Yes. Thank you, Mr. President, Members of the Senate. House Bill 1565 will mandate single-cycle calendar-month billing and -- for all long-term providers, and I would urge a favorable vote. Thank you.

Question is# shall House Bill 1565 pass. Those in favorr vote Aye. Opposed, vote Nay. The voting's open. Have al1 voted who 95  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25, 1991 wish? Have a11 voted who Wtsh? Have a1l voted who wish? Take the record. On that question, khere are 47 Ayesr 8 Nays, nane voting Present. House Bill 1565, having received the required eonstitutional majority: is declared passed. 1584. Senator Hall. Read the bill, Madam Secretary, please.

House Bkll 1584. (Secretary reads title of bi1l) 3rd Reading of the bill.

Senator Hall.

Thank you, Mr. President and Ladies and Gentlemen of thp Senate. This allows township trustees to contract with private entities to construet and operate a factory to manufacture housin: and housing components within the boundaries of the township . This is a facilitated contract between the Township of East St. Louis town and the private industry: in order to alleviate high unemployment, econonic depression..and lagk of .moderately-priced housing. So therefore, I ask your most favorable support of this bill.

Discussion? If not: the question is, shall House Bill 1584 pass. Those in favor, vote Aye. Opposed, vote Nay. The voting's open. A11 voted who kish? Have a11 voted who wish? Have a11 voted who wish? Take the record. On that question, there are 55 Ayes, no Naysy none voting Present. House Bill 1584, havin: reeetved the required constitutional majority, is declared passed. 1632 was was on the Recall List. 1685. Senator Broakins. I'm sorry. Senator Hudsonw for what purpose do you arise?

Purpose of an introduction, Mr. President. 96  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25, 1991

Indeed. That's in order.

Make it brief. In the gallery the President's Gallery: directly behind you - ue have a gallery loaded with students from Oswego High School, under the tutelage Tom Fletcher, their teacher. And I Would like them to stand and take a bow.

Will our guests please stand and be recognized. Welcome to Springfield. All right. 1692 is on the Recall. 1695. Senator O'Daniel. Read the bill, Madam Secretary, please.

House Bill 1695. (Secretary reads title of bill) 3rd Reading of the bill.

Senator OdDaniel.

Thank you, Mr. President and Members of the Senate. House Bill 1695, as amended, creates the Farm Family Assiskance Program and directs DCCA to establish and coordinate a pro:ram to assist eligible individuals who are dislocated from their farms. This also includes seasonal and mlgrant workers, and -- as the bill was amended, it's it's supported by DCCA. And I know of no opposition, and I would move for its passage.

Discussion? If noty the question is, shall Senate House Bill 1695 pass. Those in favor, vote Aye. Opposed, vote Nay. The votlng's open. All voted who wish? Have a11 voked who wish? Have a11 voted Who Wish? Take the record. On that question, there are 58 Ayes, no Nays, none voting Present. House Bill 1695, having received the required eonstitutlonal majority: is declared 97  STATE 0F ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25, 1991 passed. Senator Vadalabene, for what purpose do you arise, sir?

Yes. Thank you: Mr. President. Therebll be a Democratic Caucus immediately in Room 212.

All right. Democratic Caucus immediately in Room 212. Senator Geo-Karis, for what purpose do you arise?

Mr. President and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate: there will be a Republican Caucus immediately thereafter in Room -- Senator Pate Philip's Office. repeat, Republican Caucus in Senator Pate Philip's Office immediately thereafter.

Republican Caucus immediately in Senator Philip's office. Democrats, please gather in 2l2 immediately. %he Senate will stand in recess till 2:30. 2:30, Ladies and Gentlemen. (RECESS) (SENATE RECONVENES)

o .. tmachine cutoffl...ask the Membership. 80th caucuses have concluded. We Will begin again at Page 11 on Calendar on the Order of Housg Bills 2rd Rêading. That'g Senators Leverenz and Kelly, Jacobs, Cullerton, Brookins, Jones, Davidson, Friedland, Karpiel and John Daley. A1l right, Ladies and Gentlemen, wedll begin again on the Order of House Bills 3rd Reading and attempt to -- attempt to move through the Calendar. I've asked the Seeretary to prepare a neW Recall List to reflect the Members' requests. We will bandle the Recall List afker House Bills 3rd have been 98  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25, 1991 eompleted. Tomorrow, I'm sure you're aware, is the deadline for the consideration of House Bills. Senator Leverenz, on the Order of House Bills 3rd Reading, top of Page ll, is House Bi11 1855. Read the bill: please.

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HARRY) House Bill 1855. (Secretary reads title of bill) 3rd Reading of tbe bill.

Senator Leverenz.

Thank you. Mr. President. This bill, House Bill 1855: would provide that the Director of Publie Health Would do an educational program on bone marrow donors, in cooperation with the Secretary of State to place the educational material in driver's license facilities and any other program that would help get this out. And Jt is to be completed by June 30 of 1992. Entertain any questions you might have, and ask for your Aye vote for the passage of House Bill 1855.

Discussion? Is there any discussion? If not, the question is, shall House Bill 1855 pass. Those in favor will vote Aye. Opposed, vote Nay. And the voting is open. Have a11 voted Who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who Wish? Take the record. On that question, there are 53 Ayes, no Nays, none voting present. House Bill 1855, having received the required constitutional majority, is declared passed. 1910. Senator Kelly. 1918. Senator Jacobs. 1929. Senator Cullerton. 1-9-2-9. Wedre in the middle of Paqe ll# Ladles and Gentlemen. On the Order of House Bills 3rd Reading is House Bill 1929. Read the bill, please, Mr. Secretary .

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HARRY) 99  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT sûth Legkslatkve Day June 25, 1991 House Bill 1929. (Secretary reads title of bill) 3rd Reading of the bill.

Senator Cullerton.

Xes. Thank you, Mr. President, Members of the Senate. This bill came over as a shell bill from the House. We attempted to work on an agreement. The bill deals with the issue of real property lease with option to purchase. And We try to create some protections for people who are involved in these types of transaetions. Let me just suffice it to say that the bill is still a shell. We want to put it in a conference committee to see Lf we can reach an agreement. If we can't reach an agreementz we won't call the bill, but we need to pass ie to get it into a conference committee first. So I would move for its passage.

A11 right. The Gentleman has moved passage of House Bill 1929. Discussion? Senator Geo-Karis.

Sponsor yield for a question?

Sponsor indicates he will yield, Senator Geo-Karis.

Senator Cullerton, is it your intention then to get this bill in a conference committee to provide some rights for people Who buy these condos and are involved with condominium association -- owners' associations?

Senator Cullerton.

No. It doesn't deal with the issue of condominiums: although 100  STATE 0P ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLX REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25' 1991 it amends that Act. This is -- tbis issue deals with providing protection for people who lease their apartment with an option to buy. And the problem is that what happens is that they -- they dre paying more because of this option. but then the apartments don't go condo. They continue to be rental or the 'developer goes under and -- what -- is there any protection there for the people? That's what the issue is. We've been talking to the Realtors. We're trylng to work out some kind of an agreement.

Further discusslon? If not, the question is, shall House Bill 1929 pass. Those in favor, vote Aye. Opposed, vote Nay. And the voting is open. Have all voted who Wish? Have all voted Who wish? Have a1l voted Who wish? Take the record. On that question: there are 53 Ayes, no Nays, none voting Present. House B1ll 1929, having received the required eonstitutional majority, is declared passed. 1960. Senator Brookins. Senator Brookins on the Floor? 1960. Senator Jones. 1971. Senator Davidson. 1995. Senator Davidson on the Floor? 2022. Senator Karpiel. 2-0-2-2. It's on the Recall? Okay. 2038. .Senator Daley. Read the bill, Mr. Secretary, please. We dre at the bottom of Page l1e Ladies and Gentlemen. On the Order of House Bills 3rd Reading is House B11l 2038. Read the bill, please.

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HANRX) House Bill 2038. (Secretary reads title of bill) 3rd Reading of the bill.

Senator Daley.

Thank you, Mr. President, Members of the Senate. House Bill 2038 -- 2038 would allow only the victim of a violent crime to receive compensation for psychologfcal treaement obtained as a l0l  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25z 1991 result of the incident. The amendment offered by Senator Hawkinson would specify that psychologieal treatment eompensation shall be available only for the victim: and only after other expenses have been compensated.

Discussion? Any discussion? If not, the question is, shall House Bill 2038 pass. Those in favor, vote Aye. Opposed, vote Nay. The voting's open. Have al1 voted Who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have a1l voted who wish? Take the record . On that question, there are 56 Ayes, no Nays, none voting Present. House Bill 2038, having received the required constitutional majority, is declared passed. Top of Page l2. We have only two more pages to go. Top of Page 12. 2042. Senator Berman. Madam Secretary, read the bill, please.

House Bill 2042. (Secretary reads title of bill) 3rd Reading of the bill.

Senator Berman.

Thank you, Mr. President. House Bill 2042 provides that the programs for implementation of the gifted edueation programs will be subject to the funding levels that We, in fact, appropriate. This is to carry out our intent, but Within the framework of the dollars available for the gifted programs. I Will be glad to respond to questions, and solicit your Aye vote.

Discussion? Any dàscussion? If not, the question is# shall House Bill 2042 pass. Those in favor, vote Aye. Opposed, vote Nay. The voting ls open. A1l voted who Wish? Have a1l voted Who wish? Have a1l voted Who Wish? Take the r'eeord. On that  STATE OP ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day ....gune 25, 1991 question, there are 56 Ayes, no Nays, none votinq Present. House Bill 2042, having received the required constitutional majority, is declared passed. 2118. Senator Brookins. 2125 is on the Recall. 2134. Senator Joyce. 2149. Senator Savickas. 2169 Was on the Recall. 2222. Senator Marovitz. On the Order of House Bills 3rd Reading, the middle of Page l2y is House Bill 2222. Read the bill, please.

House Bill 2222. (Secretary reads title of bill) 3rd Reading of the bill.

Senator Marovitz.

Thank you very much, Mr. President, Members of the Senate. House Bill 2222 provides forms of notlce to be given to parents, custodians and children before any hearing on custody is -- is had. Orders entered on ex parte hearings provided within ten days unless the petitioner can demonstrate that there ds .really been an actual notice to the respondent. This amendment is a result of negotiations among the Governor's Office, Department of Children and Family Services, Cook County Public Guardian, Voices for Illinois Children, Legal Assistance Foundation, Children's Rights Projece, the Staee Appellate Defender, foster care representatives and the Cook County State's Attorney. The amendment is designed - and the bill is designed - to address the problem kith the lack or the grossly inadequate notice given to custodial and noncustodial parents and children. I solicit your Aye vote.

Discussion? Any discussion? If not, the question is, shall House Bill 2222 pass. Those in favor, vote Aye. Opposed, vote Nay. The voting 's open. All voted Who Wish? Have a11 voted who 103  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY RECULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50kh Legislative Day June 25, 1991 wish? Have all voted Who yish? Take the record. On that question, there are 58 Ayes, no Nays, none voting Present. House Bill 2222, having received the required constitutional majority, is deelared passed. 2227 is on the Recall. 2228. Senator Cullerton. Read the billz Madam Seeretary, please.

House Bill 2228. (Secretary reads title of bill) 3rd Reading of the bill.

Senator Cullerton.

Thank you, Mr. President, Members of the Senate. This is somewhat of an unusual bill, because it deals specifically with the possibility that we may not adjourn here by June 30th and pass a Public Aid appropriation bill. In that event, this bill is designed to provide some relief for public aid recipients. And basically says that if we donft pass a appropriation for the Department so that these people can pay their rent or the utility bills, that they would be -- have a defense in an eviction case, or they would not have their utility service discontinued. This would apply only to rent that was due after July 1st, 1991. The Seetion is repealed on July 1st, 1992. So it's only meant to cover this year. We did amend it on 2nd Reading at the request of Senator Jonese who had raised some concerns in committee. The customer of the utility service must demonstrate to the utility company that they are a recipient of aid and that the delinquency in payment was the result of the non-reeeipt of the aid check. Would be happy to answer any questions, and I hope that this is something we -- which wefd never have to use. But if for some reason we can 't get our budget together: and the people don't -- are out there without any money, we don't Want to have them 104  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legkslatkve Day June 25, 1991 evicted. That's khat the purpose of the bill is.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR COLLINS) Further discussion? Senator Topinka.

Xes. -- if -- you could -- I could ask some questions of the sponsor.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR COLLINS) He indieates he will yield.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR COLLINS) Xeah. In trying to amend this to tighten it up fureher, do we accommodate those situations where people, for instance, have not paid their rent or their utllities before public aid checks Would have eome and qone or after that date, so, indeed: it is targeting just this particular period of time? Do -- do we still have some - - it seemed to be awfully loose when we started life with this bill. Has that been tightened up?

PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR COLLINS) Senator Cullerton.

Well, I certainly attempted to with khe amendment, and I specifically refer to Page 2 of the amendment where says, NThis subsection does not provide a defense to an eviction based on the failure to pay rent that accrued before July 1st, 1991.'' So r it's it's only rent and utility bills that are due after July 1st. I mean: if somebody's late on their utility bills or or rent for prevîous months, they -- they can still be evlcked; their utility service could still be shut off. Thatds my intent.

PRESIDING OFEICER: (SENATOR COLLINS) Senator Topinka.

In committee, we also kicked around the idea that once these checks would be reissued and started, would there be a provision l05  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislakive Day June 25, 1991 put in that this bill would end at that point and not continue? Was that provision put in here, and does this bill now reflect something like that?

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR COLLINS) Senator Cullerton.

Well, I believe it does. Now, I -- I think if we read this -- the entire amendment as a whole: it's obvious what we're trying to do here, and that this is a defense. This is a defense in front of a judqe to a eviction ease. And the defense would be that, ''Hey, I didn't get my public aid check.lf But if -- the fact the matter is, we have already passed the appropriation: and they are getting their public aid ehecky that matter would be raised, and the judge would -- would not allow th: -- or Would allow the eviction.

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR COLLINS) Senator Topinka.

Let's say we pass the budoet nok on July 2nd. How long Would this bill be in effect beyond that point, and for how long would the public aid recipient have the provisions of this bill covering them?

PRESIDTNG OFFICER: (SENATOR COLLINS) Senator Cullerton.

Well, I Ehink that's a good questlon, and I I haven't really thought about iEy but let's just talk -- talk it through. Tf -- -- if there's -- if we do pass the appropriationy but We're late, and as a result of our being late, they didn't pay their rent on time, and some landlord Wants to bring them to an eviction, but they -- after the eviction proceeding is brought, they get their check - you know: as a practical matter: they can l06  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25# 1991 then pay their rent - I think they still should be allowed to have a defense because the checks weren't there on time. But once the checks are issued, I think that should resolve the matter, and they should pay their rent.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR COLLINS) Further discussion? Senator Pawell.

Thank you very much: Madam President. Will the sponsor yield for a question?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SEXATOR COLLINS) He indicates he will yield.

Senator Cullertonv I'm not an -- an attorney as you -- as you well know, but doesn't the -- the -- the people who are on public ald, couldn't they use that as a defense, Whether we pass this bill or not? I mean: surely judges in Cook County aren't that different from judges in Dupage. And it seems to me if -- if somebody came in front of a judge, that the judge certainly would be willing to hear that -- that defense, and -- and take that into consideration, and -- and tell him jusk, you know, cool it for a while until such time as the checks are got. Are you telling me that the Cook County judges will not do that?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR COLLINS) Senator Cullerton.

The -- *he landlords and the Realkors have been very successful in the General Assembly in passing laws that govern forcible detention and detalner. And believe me, the -- if you don't pay your rent, you're in violation of your lease. Nowz whether or not you get some compassionate judge that says, 'Oh, understand you didn't get your -- the Legislature's in Session. They 're still in Session. Tt's July 14th, and you haven 't got 107  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 5ûth Legkslative Day June 25, 1991 your paycheck.'' Whether or not khey want to try to kake that into account is one thing, but this should be in the Statute to make it clear that it is a legal defense. That's the purpose of the bill. If in the absence of this, think that a judge might say, ''Look, I'd like to help you, but the Legislature says got to kick you outo''

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR COLLINS) Senator FaWell.

Senator, are you are you telling me that as soon as somebody doesn't pay their rent that's there's an immediate hearing by the courts in Cook County? How lonq does it take? I underskand it takes several months before you can get a hearing.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR COLLINS) Senator Cullerton.

You get a five-day notice. It's in the Statute. It's -- it's designed to give landlords possession immediately When -- or as quickly as possible,. affording due process, and that's What happens in -- in many cases throughout the State, not just in Chicago.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR COLLINS) Further discussion? Senator Jacobs.

Thank youg Madam President. Would the sponsor yield for a question?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR COLLINS) He indicates he Will yield.

Senator Cullerton, khis bill affects mainly just those on public aid, correct?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR COLLINS) l08  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislatkve Day June 25, 1991 Senator Cullerton.

only affects recipients of public aid.

PRESIDINC OFFICER: (SENATOR COLLINS) Senator Jacobs.

Well, what happens then to the young couple who are both working, say, at Hardee's or whateverz and they get knocked out of work because of bein: cut back? Do they also have this same privilege? Are we givinq this same privilege to young couples and people Who may run into some unfortunate problems on a temporary basis?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR COLLINS) Senator Cullerton.

No . We donft afford them this same protection, because that unfortunate occurrence would be as a result of -- you know a bad economy, unemployment going up. These people not getting their public aid checks would only be the.only reason why they wouldn't have :ot it was because we in the Legislature and the Governor were unable to pass a bill by June 30th. That's the only reason why they would be found in this situation. This is money that they Would be normally receiving, but for our inaction. And we're just simply saying, 'Look at -- if we can't get our act together, for whatever reason, on passing the bill, the least we ean do is provide these people. until we pass a bill, a defense to eviction and for utility shu*-off.''

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR COLLINS) Senator Jacobs.

Just in closing, then, to that provision: You know, I -- I think by the time they would get into court, it's going to take 109  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25, 1991 them a -- a -- quite some time anyway, and to use this as a defense think we're just cluttering things up. And I bappen to, on this particular bill, Senator Cullerton, stand in opposition.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR COLLINS) Further discussion? Senator MacDonald.

Question of the sponsor, please.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR COLLINS) He indicates he Will yield.

Senator Cullerton, what about in the event that the bills are not paid? What about other employees in the State? Are we not being preferential to one group? I mean, there are going to be a lot of people affected if we don't take care of problems here.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR COLLINS) Senator Cullerton.

If your employer doesnît pay your check that you've .earned, for Whatever reason, you have some recourse against that employer. We're talking about here a situation Where we are - the General Assembly - is responsible for providing the appropriation for the public aid reciplentfs check that they use to pay for their utility bills and their -- and their rent. Now, most other people, perhaps, have some savings they can tide themselves over for a month or two. Public aid recipients live, as you know - as you can imagine from these checks - from week to week. And so Wedre talkin: about a compassionate response to a situation where we mess up; we don't get our act together and pass an appropriation bill. It's a very limited situation: but I think it's somethinq we should unfortunately have to consider, in light of the way the budget process is going at this point. 110  STATE 0F ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25y 1991 ! PRCSIDING OFFICER; (SENATOR COLLINS) i Senator Macdonald.

Well, my point I'm trying to make is that the State is also paying other State employees. I'm not talking about employees outside of the State. I'm talking about -- I am talking about State-funded employees. I mean, the State of Illinois is their employer. So they also Will be significantly impacted, and many of them do not.have set-aside funds or any other way. So if they also are not goinq to be paid, or there should be some reason, do we have anything in this bill that will protect them as well? PRESIDING OFFICERT (SENATOR COLLINS) Senator Cullerton.

Well, I understand what your point is, but 1et me see if I can make a distinction. I don't know what the lowest-paid State employee is. I don't know What that salary is. Maybe it's twelve thousand dollars. But Whatever it is, it's -- it's more - much more - than What these pubkic aid recipients are actually receiving. We're talking about money that they use for literally food, clothing and shelter. And -- and I -- I put in utilities in here, because it's -- it's almost part of the housing that's essential for people to have a place to live. And -- we're not talking about hard times. Welre talking about literally being -- being thrown out of your apartment. And -- and that's the reason for -- for the response. Now, if you wanted to expand thks to cover all the State employees including State Representatives and State Senators When We don't get our paychecks, so if somebody wants to evict us we have a defense, I think that that's getting too broad. I think that what wedre -- now wedre really working a disservice against the landlords and utility companies. But for the people Who are limited, these limited number of people who are l11 / . STATE OF ILLINOIS @ 87th GEXERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION ! SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50tb Legislative Day June 25, 1991 renting in a place where they owe rent and where they have a utility bill for -- only until we get our act together and pass a bill - wedre just talking about really -- probably only one month - I think it's a compassionate response. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR COLLINS) Senator Cullertony to close. SENATOR CULLERTON: Well, I think it's been adequately debated, Madam President, and I would ask for an Aye vote. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR COLLINS) The question is, shall House Bill 2228 pass. Those in favor will vote Aye. Opposedy Nay. The voting is open. Have al1 voted who wish? Have a1l voted who Wish? Have al1 voted who wish? Take the record, Madam Secretary. On that question, there are 28 Ayes, 27 Nays, none voting Present. Having failed to receive the required constitutional majority, Senate Bill 2228 is declared lost. The sponsor is requesting Postponed Consideration. In the middle of the Page 12. House Bill 2243. Senator de1 Valle. Read the bill, Madam Seeretary. SECRETARY HAWKER: House Bill 2243. (Secretary reads title of bill) 3rd Reading of the bill. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR COLLINS) Senator del Valle. SENATOR dEL VALLE: Thank you, Madam Presidenk. House Bill 2243 adds citizenship status as an additional class of protected persons under the Human Riqhts Act. The amendment to the bill Was worked out in negotiations with representatives of the business community. The amendment eliminated any reference to real estate, and it brought the employment protections into conformity with federal law. 1'11 l12 ! I . . .. . t I  STATE OP ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLX REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25, 1991 be glad to answer any questions.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR COLLINS) Discussion? Discussion? If not, the question is, shall House Bill 2243 pass. Those in favor will vote Aye. Opposedy Nay. The voting is open. Have al1 voted Who wish? Have al1 voted who Wish? Take the record, Madam Secretary. 0n that question, there are 55 Ayes, no Nays, none voting Present. Having received the required constitutional majority, House Bill 2243 is declared passed. House Bill 2282. Senator Jones. House Bill 2292. Senator Jones. House Bill 2295 was on the Recall List. So at the top of Page 13, House Bill 2343 <sic>. Senator D'Arco. Read the bill, Madam Secretary.

House Bill 2334. (Secretary reads title of bill) 3rd Reading of the bill.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR COLLINS) Senator Dlhrco.

Thank yau, Madam President. House Bill 2334 establishes the -- creates the Health Care Surrogate Act. And the purpose of the Act is to provide a system where people who are in the process of dying can make health care decisions by themselves and by othersv where they lack decisional capacity. We amended the bill to tiqhten up some of its provisions. We even accepted an amendment by Senakor Kelly and Hudson Ehak said that pregnank women under the aqe of eighteen would not be considered adults. We accept that. Wedre willing to live with that. On my desk, there's a newspaper article that has been circulated to a1l Senatorsz and it's by a Dennis Burn. And ln the arEicle, he sayp that incompetent patients should have the right to make their oWn health care decisions. And when I saw this article, I read iE,  STATE 0F ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMSLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25? 1991 analyzed it, and I said: ''You knoW What? He 's got a point. '' If you have decisional capacity to make decisions. what difference does it make if you dre competent or not? So we amended the Act to !. provide if you have decisional capacity, you decide what decisions will be made on your behalf. So the Act only kicks in where decisional capacity is not present. We've worked hard and long on this bill. Senator HaWkinson, I might add, has helped us considerably - even though he opposes the bill. He helped us copsiderably on some of the amendments to this bill. Ladies and Gentlemen, Illinois is in the forefront on this issue and Illinois will take the step forward on behalf of al1 of our citizens in enacting this legislation, and I ask for a favorable vote.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR COLLINS) Discussion? Senator Hawkinson.

Thank you, Madam President. Will the sponsor yield for a question?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR COLLINS) He indicates he Will yield.

Senator, on the point of the patient's right to decide, it's my understanding, with the amendment you adopted yesterday, that if a patient is incompekent, as you say, even if he or she lacks decisional capacity: but utters a statement that they want continued treatment or they want to live, that the -- the law would then no* apply, and the pabient's verbaîized wishes would be adhered to.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR COLLINS) Further -- further -- I'm sorry. Senator Cullerton.

No.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR COLLINS) 114 .- -- . - - ..- . - --. .. . 1  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLV REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRKNSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25, 1991 mean: Senatol D'AKCo. I'm Solry .

Thank you. Madam Presidentr I'm glad Senator Hawkinson asked that question. In the articlef the last paragraph of the article says, ''I don 't care if you get every doctor in town to say a patient is incompetent. If the patient can utter, blink or wave that he Wants to live, then, by Godz no one has the right to say he doesn'k.'' And I agree with you, Senator. And that's what that amendment does. Even if he lacks decisional capacity and he indicates through some -- through some way, manner or form that he wants to live, he should have that right.

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR COLLINS) Further discussion? If not, the question is, shall House Bill 2334 pass. Those in favor will vote Aye. Opposed: Nay. The voting is open. Have al1 voted who wish? Have a1l voted who wish? Take the recordz Madam Secretary. 0n that question, there are 33 Ayes, 23 Nays, none voting Present. Having received the required constitutional majority, House Bill 2334 is declared passed. House 3il1 2364. Senator Joyce. Read the bill.

House 3ill 2364. (Secretary reads title of bill) 3rd Reading of the bill.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR COLLINS) Senator Joyce.

Thank you, Madam President. House Bill 2364 requires the Governor to submit a tax expenditure report specific to economic development activities, includlng tourism promotion and the annual budqet request to the General Assembly. This Would 1et us have some idea of what the tax money -- the tax dollars are creating in lieu -- in -- in -- as jobs go involving tourism and -- and DCCA  ! STATE OE ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMDLV REGPLAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT ' 50th Legislative Day June 25# 1991 and so forth . I know of no opposition. PRESIDING OEFICER: (SENATOR COLLINS) Discussion? If notz the question is -- Genatoz Etheredge. Senator Etheredqe. SENATOR ETHEREDGE: Wil1 the sponsor yield, please? PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR COLLINS) He indicates he will yield. SENATOR ETHEREDGE: Senator: I just wanted to clarify -- I heard -- heard you say -- I thought I heard you say that this Was limlted to tourism? PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR COLLINS) Senator Joyee. SENATOR J.J. JOYCE: No. Economic development, includinq tourism. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR COLLINS) Senator Etheredge. SENATOR ETHEREDGE: What Would.be the nature of this report, Senator? I guess one of the things that's going through my mind noW is that it -- it impresses me that lt would be very, very difficult to track some of this kind of information. Exactly What are you askin: us to provide? PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR COLLINS) Senator Joyce. SENATOR J.J. JOYCE: Yes. Well, the Federal Government does this now, and We dre lookinq for the real kmpaet that -- these monies that WeAre spendinq that -- that -- in economic development and tourism, as to wheeher or not they are actually doin: any good or not. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR COLLINS) Senator Etheredge. l16 I i  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLV REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 5ûth Legislative Day June 25# 1991

Welly it impresses me that we may be asking a question for which there really is no answer. I -- for example, if you ask for hoW much money is being expended to advertise the Lineoln Shrines here in Springfield, for example, that's one thing. How do you evaluate the dkfference kn tourism that that makes? Are you asking for that kind of information as well, or are you simply asking for the dollars that are spent?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR COLLINS) Senator Joyce.

No. I'm askkng for the dollars that are spent, and then -- you know -- DCCA -- when -- when -- When we give money to some industry somewhere, DCCA suggests how many jobs this is going to create. Well then, let's -- let's find out afkerwards if they did create that many jobs.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR COLLINS) Senator Etheredge.

Well, you know, we receive a budget from the Governor each year, and then we always modify it. Quite frequently, there -- there's a considerable amount of modification in thak budget. So there -- many kimes there's little resemblance between What comes in to us and then what we send back to the Governor's desk. mean, what are -- are we supposed to then reevaluate al1 of this information af*er wedve gotEen through with the budget?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR COLLINS) Senator Joyce.

Yes. Well, as the Governor submits the budget, this would give us a chance to reevaluate what he -- what has happened in the past Mktsubishi, Sears, a1l the rest of them. This he would  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25, 1991 1 ! give that -- in -- in his budget a report on what has happened, and whether or not we have created this many jobs.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR COLLINS) Senator Etheredge.

It seems to me that the -- what you're asking here -- 1et -- letls -- let's back up and talk about -- let's say Diamond-star. Would ehere be -- you're asking that each year that We report the number of jobs that would then be current at that facility?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR COLLINS) Senator Joyce.

As long as the tax abatement is in effect or the incentives are in effect, yes.

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR COLLINS) Senator Etheredge.

Are we going to be asking similar information on TIF distriats around the State? . Is that part of thks process too? That -- Would that be required under this bill?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR COLLINS) Senator Joyce.

Not in this bill.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR COLLINS) Senator Etheredge.

You say not on this bill? Well, it seems to me that that's a question -- I mean, if your question is legitimate, why ean': We ask it on the TIF districts as well? Ik -- it seems to me that we're -- what youdre asking for is very cumbersome and will be of dubious value, and I think might be an economic disincentive. I j ll8  1 STATE OF ILLINOIS < 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLX REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25, 1991 think we ought to vote No on this bill.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR COLLINS) Further discussion? Senator Butler.

Wi1l the sponsor yield, please?

PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR COLLINS) He indicates he will yield.

Two -- I really have tWo questions. Oney is there some sort of a sunset on this? I can picture this thing going on ad infinitum ad nauseam as -- as these projects continue or as these programs continue. The second question is - does this require all of the Waterfall effects -- a1l the jobs created and the -- and the correlating results from a1l of the purchases that families make and on and on and on?

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR COLLINS) Senator Joyce.

The first -- your firsk question is -- ad nauseam and all. ïou said this goes on and on and on. As long as wedre giving them a tax break or tax incentives. Don't you think your eonstituents want to knowz when you're giving tax incentives and tax breaks, what's going on there? And then the second part is no.

PRESIDING OPEICER: (SENATOR COLLINS) Senator Butler.

Well, I'm sure they want -- want to know, but a11 I'm tryàng to find is the parameters of this thing . It's like a big -- it's like a -- a cascade effeck on a11 of these. It's an enormous job. And secondly, I must say, parenthetically, that sinee I've been down here, f've been impressed - or I probably should say depressed - by the number of reports we qet, and I wonder how many 119 I I :  STATE 0F ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLX REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT sGth Legislative Day June 25, 1991 people ever cead those things.

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR COLLINS) Further discussion? Senator DeAngelis. SENATOR DeANGELIS: Thank you, Madam President. Couple of questions of the Sponsor.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR COLLINS) He indicates he will yield. SENATOR DeANGELIS: Senator Joyce, when you talk about tax expenditure, are you talking about only State tax expenditures?

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR COLLINS) Senator Joyce.

Well, yes.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR COLLINS) Senator DeAngelis. SENATOR DeANGELIS: Can you give me an example like, for instance, kn Diamond-star, what tax expenditure the State used?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR COLLINS) Senator Joyce.

Yes. Thank you. An example of What tax -- Well, we went through that, as well as Sears and every other induskry. Why -- why should I have to qive you an example Of What tax expenditures We have here? This bill would require the Governor to do that in his budget, and -- and What -- the results of the money we spent there. It just seems to me We ought to know if welre getting any kind of results or not.

PRESIDING OFEICER: (SENATOR COLLINS) Senator DeAngelis. 120  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 5Gth Legislative Day June 25, 1991 SENATOR DeANGELIS: Well, what if I told you there Were none?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR COLLINS) Senator Joyce.

Then there Wouldn't be a report.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR COLLINS) Senator DeAngelis. SENATOR DeANGELIS: Well, that's my point. The point is that these tax-incentive proqrams, they 're basically abatements on local property taxes that are agreed to by local governances or they 're in enterprise zones that allow those types of abatements or incentives. So essentially, what you're asking here (s something that provides very little information in terms of what the incentive packaged. But let me tell you, more importantly, why I have some problems With this. 1 co-chair the Audit Commission, and about a year and a half ago we had a report on DCCA'S activities in terms of incentives. It resulted in the Audit Commission itself unable to agree; for the first time that I've been chairman, on the reliability of a report. In fact, it was deemed that the road improvements the Highway 51 - eighty million dollars worth - ought to be aecrued to the Diamond-star venture. This can be rather misleading and dangerous, and in the end, it doesn't produce a lot of information, because the majority of incëntives are local incentives that are done by abatement by local qovernances on a permissive basisz as it Was With the Sears situation. The two hundred million dollars in tax abatements was not any tax expenditures on the part of the State, because we don 't collect property taxes. So, I mean, essentially what you're doing is probably creating a vehkcle that's going to create a lot of confusion and have very little value.  STATE OP ILLINOIS 87th CENZRAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25, 1991

PRESIDING OPFICER: (SZNATOR COLLINS) Further discussion? Senator Geo-Karis.

Mr. President and Ladies -- Madam President and Members of the Senate. I just wonder why we are insisting the Governor should include a tax expenditure report, when we 're the ones who make the appropriations, and we don't prepare such a report. I -- I -- thlnk this is just superfluous. And as Senator Butler had said earlier, we're so reamed down with paperwork. My God: who has the time to read a11 of it? I I don't tbink that this is what We need right now, and frankly, I rise to speak againsk it.

PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR COLLINS) Senator Carroll.

Thank you, Madam President: Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. I guess I find thls debate quite interesting. Suddenly there are Members of the General Assembly who don't want to know. Bury your head in the sand . Yet every time someone comes to you and said, ''Why did you give this tax break? HoW many jobs did it create?'' You always answer, ''Well, don't know. That's the Governor's Office.'' No: we don't create the tax incentives. Yes, we act on them, but traditionally, they are offered by and always signed by the Chief Executivee usually at the request of the Department of Commerce and Community Affairs as an incentive to do something positive for this State. One of the things I dare say that was found in Ehat Audit Commission report Was that requirements allegedly made a building ehat received an ineentive to ereate jobs -- no one ever went back and found was a single job created, maintalned, or stkll in effect. Why would we not want to knok? If we are passing a plan that is supposed to improve the economic climate of Illinois, and that tax abatement incentive or other program is'supposed to go on for a few years to create more l22  STATE OP ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25, 1991 tax revenues, income tax: sales tax, whatever the tax may be, a healthier eeonomic climate for our State - how are We supposed to know if that Was a giveaway or a true incentive? Well, one way to know is to merely say to the agency most responsible, the Executive Office of this State, 'flf you've approved an incentive, then as long as the Stake is paying part of that tab by not receiving income it would have otherkise gotten: merely file a report like the Federal Government does, and nineteen other states do, of how many jobs did it create, did it maintain. Did it live up to What We were told it was goinq to do when we were asked to vote on it?'' This type of sunshine is exactly what government should be about, and I Would urge a favorable vote.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR COLLINS) Further discussion? Senator Demuzio.

Well: thank -- thank you, Madam President. -- I have this comment to make. Senator DeAnqelis made some reference with respect to the Audit Commission and the audit -- management audit that was conducted of the Department of. Commerce and Community Affairs. And there had been some indication that somehow or other ehat this audit was somehow or other politically motivated. I think that regardless of hoW the audit came out: and regardless of the differences of opinion that may have been expressed by the Members of the Audit Commission, it seems to me that the scrutiny and the debate with respect to incentives and the way in which goalsr plansr priorities, strateqies and decisions are being made with respect to that agency and to the administration, I think, has caused a lot of us to have some additional information as to the overall makings of government. And seems to me that this is a prudent approach. It seems to me that this is a financially responsible approach. And it seems to me it is something thaE, given the times where we are in# and the budget process and the l23  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLX REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25# 1991 crunch that we are in, is something, that as Senator Carroll has indicated, that we -- we need the information; we need to know what's taking place. And I would support House Bill 2364 in its present form, and ask our colleagues to do the same. Thank you.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR COLLINS) Senator DeAngelis, for a second time. I SENATOR DeANGELIS: i Thank you, and I beg the indulgence. Senator Demuzio, if this bill did what you just said, I would ask to be the co-sponsor of that bill. That's not What this bill does. Now, if you want to know - and I would be very much in favor, Senator Joyceg that we include in here the grants that are given and how many jobs are created because of those grants - sign me on right now. You tell me how many jobs Diversatech created in your area for all the grants they got. Sign me on. That's not what this bill does. This bill doesn't do that. And frankly, in terms of the jobs that are created - Senator Demuzio: you sat in that committee like I did. We had a record of every one of those. And what Was the criticlsm? That they didn't create the amount of jobs that they should have. That data is available. Now, if you want to turn around an amend a bill to include that, fine, but *ax expenditures don't mean anything, because in most instances What the State does do is give out grants. The tax expenditures are, in fact, part of the process that local government goes through. So this bill does not do what you thought it might do, Senator Demuzio. And like I said, if it did, put me on it right now.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR COLLINS) Senator Joyce, to close.

Well, thank you, Madam President. I just can't imagine anyane ! standing up here and saying tha: - - you know -- gee: it,s going to I be -- cause confusion and -- and it's -- itfs badz and it's going 124 I . STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50Eh Legislative Day June 25, 1991 to be a 1ot of bureaueracy. It just gives us a right to know where the money is going, and if, in fact, it was well-spent. And thatls a11 it does, and I'd ask for your favorable consideration. PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR COLLINS) The question is, shall House Bill 2364 pass. Those in favor will vote Aye. Opposed, Nay. The voting is open. Have a11 voted who wish? Have a11 voted who wish? Take the record, Mr. Secretary. On that question, there are 33 Ayes, 24 Nays, none voting. Present. Having received *he required constitutional majority, House Bill 2364 is declared passed. Rouse 3il1 2392. Senator Karpiel. Read the bill, Mr. Secretary. ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HARRY) House Bill 2392. (Secretary reads title of bill) 3rd Reading of the bill. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR COLLINS) Senator Earpiel. SENATOR KARPIEL: Thank you'. Madam President. House B#11 2392 amends the Adoption -- the Adoption Act to say that the legal fees of any party and the living expenses of the child's natural mother can be paid. Current 1aw allows for the payment of medical fees by the adopting parent to a doctor or hospital. This would include legal fees and living expenses of the natural mother. The amendment that Went on specifies exactly what can be -- what's considered living expensesr and it goes through a great deal of detail as to hoW those expenses Will be paid. PRESIDING OFFICCR: (SENATOR COLLINS) DLscusskoq? If not, -- Senator Raica. SENATOR RAICA: Question of the sponsor. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR COLLINS) l25 1  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25# 1991 She indicates she Will yield.

Senator Karpiel, just -- can you run by that me -- Says --

PRESIDING OFFICZR: (SENATOR COLLINS) Senator Karpiel.

Just qive it to me one more time about does this mean -- what if it's a newborn ehild or anything like that - does that affect this bill, or -- as far as the living eosts of the natural mother? How does that work in here?

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR COLLINS) Senator Karpiel.

Well, this is -- this bill -- What it says in the bill is that the adoptive parents can pay the living expenses of the natural mother during pregnancy and thirty days thereafter. I suppose, if this is goinq to be a -- an adoption Where you're adopking a ehild from an adoptive agency or something, that's nat included in this.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR COLLINS) Senator Raica.

My understanding is, under the law, thoughr that a child is not -- or can 't be adopted for three days; that that mother - the natural mother - has three days to -- to agree to have the child qo up for adoption or not. So I don't understand how we fre able to do thls, when legally the child doesn't belong to the adopted mother for -- there 's a three-day grace period.

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR COLLINS) Senator Rarpiel.

Well, that's truev but that's sort of a different thing . This is mainly set up for a -- an adoption that takes place With a l26  STATE OP ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25, 1991 lawyer and a -- parents that Want -- people that want to adopt a baby. And so during the entire time that the natural mother is carrying the child, her livinq expenses can be paid at the culmination her medical expenses: her hospital bill and her legal fees can be paid. That three-day period is still in the law, and wedre not taking that out. If the mother Wants to go back on it during that khree days, she still can.

PRESIDINC OFFICER: (SENATOR COLLINS) Senator Raica . SENATOR RAICA I Who pays the -- these costs then? Who picks up this cost?

PRESIDINC OFFICER: (SENATOR COLLINS) Senator Rarpiel.

The adoptive parents.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR COLLINS) Purther discussion? If not, the the question is, shall House Bill 2392 pass. Those in favor will vote Aye. Opposed, Nay. Tbe voting is open. Have all voted Who Wish? Have al1 voted who wish? Take the reeord, Mr. Secreeary. On that question, there are 55 Ayes, no Nays, voting Present. Having received the reguired constitutional majority, House Bill 2392 is declared passed. House Bill 2417. Senator Jacobs. Read the bill.

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HARRY) House Bill 2417. (Secretary reads title of bill) 3rd Reading of the bill.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR COLLINS) Senator Jacobs.

Thank -- thank you, Madam President, Ladies and Gentlemen of l27  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25: 1991 the Senate. House Bill 2417 is noW the Rock-philip amendment, which was put on yesterday, and as amended: House Bill 2417 addresses two problems resulting from a class action suit eoncerning the local telephone company practice of recovering municipal utility taxes associated with pay phone revenues. And it -- what it does, it validates a colleetion method the telephone eompany has utilized in the past, for a period untll Deeember 31st, 1993. And permits a telephone company to amortize the amount that it must now refund to individual customers, over a period not to exceed five years, by way of a temporary surcharge on -- on coin phones in a manner approved by the ICC. I ask for your support. PRESIDING OFFICERI (SENATOR COLLINS) Discussion? Discussion? If not, the question ts# shall House Bil1 2417 pass. Those in favor will vote Aye. Opposed. Nay. The votlng is open. Have a11 voted who Wish? Have a11 voted who wish? Take the record, Mr. Secretary. On that question, there are 54 Ayes, 3 Nays, none voting Presenk. Having received the required constitutional majority, House Bill 2417 is declared passed. House Bill 2444. Senator MacDonald. Read *he bills Mr. Secretary.

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HARRY) House Bill 2444. (Secretary reads title of bi11) 3rd Reading of the bill.

PRESIDING OPPICER: (SENATOR COLLINS) Senator MacDonald.

ïes, Madam President. House Bill 2444 changes the labeling requirements from, quote, 'tall riqid plastic containersz'' to quote, ''al1 single use, rigid plastic containers.'' It requires that the symbol ''7 Other,'' quote, include only multi-resin l28  STATC OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLX REGOLAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25, 1991 containers and not single-resin multi-containers. Iltinois plastic coding laws differ from khat of other states, maklnq very difficult for manufacturers, who mostly modify their product equipment, to meet Illinois requirements. This bill would standardize the State's plastic coding laws to conform to ather states. So I ask for your support of this bill.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR COLLINS) Purther discussion? If not, the question is, shall House Bi11 2444 pass. Those ln favor Will vote Aye. Opposed, Nay. The voting ls open. Have a11 voked who wish? Have a11 voted who wish? Take the record, Mr. Secretary. On that questionz there are 57 Ayes. no Nays# none voting Present. Havin: received the required constitutlonal majority, House Bill 2444 is declared passed. House Bill 2464. Senator Smith. Read the bill, Mr. Secretary.

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HARRY) House Bill 2464. (Secretary reads title of bill) 3rd Reading of the bill.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR COLLINS) Senator Smith.

Thank you, Madam President and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. House Bill -- House Bill 2464 does just What the ealendar states. It creates the Adult Day Services Resource Development Project Act. House Bill 2464 is one of several bills Which addresses the issue of adult day care, and it also -- *he Adult Day Care Providers Association and current adult day care providers supports this legislation. I ask for your favorable vote.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR COLLINS) Senator Severnsz for what purpose do you -- state your point, l29  STATE 0F ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25, 1991 please.

Thank youe Madam President. I rise on a point of personal privilege.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR COLLINS) State your point.

It's my honor today to have joining us in the Presidene's Gallery, Jim Beaumont of Decatur. know a lot of us have had the opportunity to work with his son, who works for the State Chamber. And we're proud of him, and -- and I think those who know Jim Beaumont would be proud of him too. I'd like the Senate to join me in welcominq hlm.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR COLLINS) Will our guest please rise and be reeognized by the Senate. Weleome. Senator Brookins. Purther diseussion? Discussion? If not. the queskion ise shall House Bi11 2464 pass. Those in favor will vote Aye. Opposed, Nay. The voting is open. Have a1l voted who Wish? Have all voted Who Wish? Take ehe record, Mr. Secretary. On that question, there are 51 Ayesz 4 Nays, 1 votin: Present. Having received the required constitutional majority' House Bill 2464 is declared passed. House Bill 2465 was on the Recall List. House Bill 2489. Senator Karpiel. Read the bill. Mr. Secretary.

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. NANRY) House Bi11 2489. (secretary reads title of bill) 3rd Reading of the bill.

PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR COLLISS) Senator Karpiel. SENATOR KARPIEL) Tbank you, Madam President. Hluse B1l1 2489 authorizes the l30  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25, 1991 Department of Public Aid to select collection agencies to collect past-due monies on child suppork enforcement orders. The amendment that we put on it would also allow the Department of Public Aid to require recipienEs of general assistance Who have not completed high school, to participate in a program which would lead to a high school diploma or iks equivalent. This amendment is -- is permissive. The Federal Government, at the present timee mandates the State to have a similar education and training program for APDC recipients. This merely allow IDPA to provide tbis program to GA recipients.

Any discussion? Senator Demuzio.

If I might ask the sponsor a question.

Sponsor indicates she will yield, Senator Demuzio.

Can you tell us how much this thing's going to cost? PRESIDENT R0CK: Senator Karpiel. SENATOR KARPIELJ Well, it's a permissive program . So# first of all, I don't know if it's going to cost anything. And there is -- there is no money involved in the bill.

senator Demuzio.

Well, I guess what puzzles me is that I partlcipate in a number of GED-type of activities, and -- and I don't knoW What We are doinq with this bill that we are -- What does this authorîze that we are currently not doing? just don't understand the reascn for this -- for this bill and why it's before us. 131  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25, 1991

Senaeor Karpiel. SENATOR KARPIEL) At the present time: itîs required for AFDC recipients, but we don't do the same thing for GA recipients. This would allow the Department to do it for GA reeipients if they Wished. If they -- there is no money, they obviously aren't going to do it.

Further discussion? Senator Hawkinson.

Thank you, Mr. President. Will sponsor yield for a question?

Sponsor indieates she will yield, Senator Hawkinson.

Senator, on *he other part of the bill regardin: the selection of collection agencies to -- ko work in collecting these overdue payments, is there any requirement in the bill, or Will there be any bid proeess so that the contracting collection agencies -- we can get the lowest rate? In other Words, some -- some eolleetion agencies may charge fifty percent to do it, others a thkrd, others twenty-five pereent. Are we going to do a bid process when we select these collection agencies?

Senator Karpiel.

Senator, that's not part of the bill. I Would presume that would be up to the Department.

Further discussion? not, the question is, shall House Bill 2489 pass. Those in favor, vote Aye. Opposed, vote Nay. The voting's open. Have al1 voked who uish? Rave a1l voted Who Wish? Have a11 voted who wish? Take the record. On that question,  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25, 1991 there are 50 Ayesw 4 Nays, none voting Present. House Bill 2489, having recekved the required constitutional majority, is declared passed. Senator Collins. 2524. On the Order of House Bills 3rd Reading, the middle of Page l3, is House Bill 2524. Read the bill: please.

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HAQRY) House Bill 2524. (Secretary reads kltle of bill) 3rd Reading of the bill.

Senator Collins.

ïes. Thank you, Mr. President and Members of the Senate. House Bill 2524 is a similar bill that we passedz similar to House - - senate Bi11 1337, which created the Pay-call Qsic> Consumer Proteetion Act. And it requires disclosure of the cost for the initial billing of a call prior to the person being billed . It requires a delay - a time delay - so that they can, in fact, 1et the caller know what the call will cost and basically how long is expected the average gall to -- to take. It also has been amended to inelude a provision that Would require the AT&T to keep on file a record of the names, telephone and addresses of a1l of the -- the -- the businesses that's provlding the services. It tightened up the enforcement provision including the issuin: of subpoenas with eomplaints filed in the circuit court in order to brlng about action. The whole bill is designed to get at some Of the unscrupulous and fraudulent pay-call businesses that operate over the television and other mass-media technology that also prey upon khe less fortunate - the uninformed consumers. would be happy to answer any questions. If not, I would ask for a favorable roll call.

133  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25, 1991 A11 right. The Lady has moved passage on House Bill 2524. Discussion? Senator Raiea.

Thank you, Mr. President. Question of the sponsor.

sponsor indicates she will yield, Senator Raica.

Senator Collins, does this - your amendment on here - does it exclude charitable fundraising numbers?

Senator Collins. SENATOR COLLINS) It excludes the Lottery, but not a1l charitable fundraising numbers.

Senaeor Raiaa.

Senator Collins, when I asked you that question on 2nd Reading, you said -that it did -- it did exclude everything. Acqually, does not is the right answer, right?

Senator Collins. SENATOR COLLINSZ If I recall, my first answer was yes, it did. I turned to the staff, because I assumed that the amendment Would do that, as indtcated in commitEee, bu* the AG's Office - this is their bill - they do not want that provision excluded, because tbey feel tha: ehose charitable organizations are -- many of them are -- aetually, it is really where the bulk of the problem rests. There are some legitimate ones, but but there are a 1ot af illegitimate ones also that come on as charitable organizations. And is difficult to distinguish between what -- who are l34  STATE OP ILLINOIS 8?th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25, 1991 legitimate and not legitimate.

Senator Raica.

Yes. Senator Collins, I guess that's a little different than what you had on 2nd Reading. That's not what you said on 2nd Reading. It says it did exclude. It did not exclude. Maybe We should just leave this bill here. They changed the -- the one that went over to the House. They changed it to exelude. After we suggested it include charitable fundraising, they decided to take that out. Maybe we should just leave this one here. ask for a No vote.

Further discussion? Senator Fawell.

Thank you very much. I've had some experiences with with some of my constituents on these darned numbers. I had one woman that called me up and told me that her retarded son had run up a thirteen-hundred-dollar phone bill.khile she was at work. And I had another one that called me and said that she had three ehildren who were playing with the phone While she was also at wark, and they had run up a thirty-five-hundred-dollar phone bill. It seems to me# somewhere along the line we ought to put a stop to some of this. don't know, in these particular instances: if this would have helped, but it might have. At least maybe it might have made the kids think about it for a few minute:. I khink we should be regulating these programs a lot beteer than we are. set phone calls al1 the time from various charities. One, frankly, said that they were policemen. And I found out that too , is rather quéstionable. And I thknk We should vote Aye on this bill.

135  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th CENERAL ASSEMBLX REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25, 1991 Further discussion? Senator Davidson. SENATOR DAVIDSONI Question of the sponsor.

Sponsor indieates shedll yield, Senator Davidson.

Senator Collins, Senate Bill 1337, which you sponsored, exempted charitable fundraising from the 900 numbers, and this amendment which you put on this bill, which you're s/onsoring, does not. Can you explain your chanqe of mind from 1337 to 2524 at this time?

Senator Collins.

Unfortunately, I did not know about the chanqe in the House on -- on my bill. And I cannot get into -- inside of the minds of those who made their changes -- that chanqe without my approval. But it was made, and they did not want to exempt those ebaritable orqanizations on this bill. And.so I am abiding by the Wishes of the House sponsor.

Further discussion? Senator Collins: you wish to close?

Just ask for a favorable roll call.

Questlon is' shall House Bill 2524 pass. Those in favor will vote Aye. Opposed, vote Nay. And the voting 's open. Have a11 voted Who Wish? Have all voted who wish? Have a11 voted who wish? Take the -- take the record. On that question, there are 41 Ayes: 14 Nayse none voting Present. House Bill 2524, having received the required constitutional majority, is declared passed. 2530. Senator Berman. Read the bill, Mr. Secretary, please. l36  STATE OP ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SEGSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 5ûth Legislative Day June 25, 1991

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HAQRY) House Bill 2530. (Secretary reads title of bill) 3rd Reading of the bill.

Senator Berman.

Thank you, Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. House Bill 2530 amends the Environmental Barriers Act, Which addresses the needs of the disabled. The bill does tWo things. 1* sets a deadline of October 1st: 1992, for the time in Which off-street parking spaces to accommodate the disabled would be -- would have to be sixteen feet wide. And lowers the per-day charge for violation from one thousand dollars to tWo hundred and fifty dollars per day, as per the aqreement with the Building Owner and Managers Association. I'd be glad to respond to any questions, and solicit your Aye vote.

Discussion? Senator Hawkinson.

Thank you, Mr. President. Will sponsor yleld for a question? PRESIDENT ROCK) Sponsor indicates he Will yield. Senator Hawkinson.

Senator, Senator Keats had an amendment to this, and it's my understanding that he was qoing to be gîven an opportunity to offer it. As you know, he's been He's expected back tomorrow . Have you talked to him about his amendment?

Senator Berman.

I dtd speak to him: and I've got to tell you: I'm not sure 137  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY RECULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25, 1991 that he wanted to move on it. If -- if you'd be more comfortable, 1'11 take itouttoday. DoWe knowhe'llbeback tomorrow? Do 1 *e -- oh.

Senator Berman.

The representative from the Attorney General's Office indicates that Senatsr Keats said to her that he Wasn't going to move the amendment because they couldn't find the right language. That's what she just indicated to me.

Pureher discussion? If not, the question is, shall House Bill 2530 pass. Those in favor Will vote Aye. Opposed, Nay. And the voting is open. All voted Who wish? Have a1l voted who wish? Have a11 voted who wish? Take the record. On that question, i there are 53 Ayes, no Nays, none votinç Present. House Bi11 2530: I havin: received the required constitutional majority, is declared passed. Senator Jacobs. 2557. Read the bill, Mr. Secretary, please. ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. NAQRY) I I House Bill 2557. l (Secretary reads title of bill) l l 3rd Reading of the bill. l l PRESIDENT RocK: : l Senator Jacobs. I I SENATOR JACOBS: l l Thank you, Mr. President. House Bill 2557, as amended: merely I I closes a loophole in the Bld-rigqin: Act. Tbis bill is similar to 1 Senate Bi11 817 1 , which was passed out of the Senate on the Agreed 1 Bill List. Be happy to answer any questions. If notz ask for an I 1 Aye vote. I I passzoEuT Rocx: l I I 138 1  STATE 0F ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLX REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25, 1991 Discussion? Any discussion? If not: the question is, shall House Bill 2557 pass. Those in favor will vote Aye. Opposed, vote Nay. And the voting 's open. Have a1l voted who wish? Have a11 voted who wish? Have all voted Who Wish? Take the record. On that question, there are 55 Ayes, no Nays, none voting Present. House Bill 2557, having reeeived the required constitutional majority, is declared passed. Senator Welch, on 2589. 2592. Senator Savickas. Was on the Recall. Top of Page Senator Jerome Joyce. Senator Jerome Joyce. 2611. A11 rtght. Ladies and Gentlemen, I -- you have -- had distributed a Recall List. We will qo throuqh the Recall List on 3rd Reading, with the exeeption -- and I'd ask leave of the Body not to take up 1935 at this kime. I have discussed this matter With Senator Philip. understand there are additional amendments bein: drafted and -- so We 'll do it tomorrow. 121. Page 6 on the Calendar. Page 6 on the Calendar. On the Order of House Bills 3rd Reading is House Bill 121. Senator Cullerton seeks leave of the Body to return that bill to the Order of 2nd Reading for purposes of an amendment. Is leave granted? Leave is granted. On the Order of House Bills 2nd Reading is House Bill 121, Madam Secretary.

Amendment No. offered by Senator Cullerton.

Senator Cullerton, on Amendment No. 1.

Thank your Mr. President, Members of the Senate. It simply adds an effeetive date. Move for its adoption.

Senator Cullerton has moved the adoption of Amendment No. l to House Bill 121. Discussion? If not, all in favor: indicaee by saying Aye. A11 opposed. The Ayes have it. The amendment's adopted. Further amendments? l39  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislaeive Day June 25, 1991 l

No further amendments.

3rd Reading. All right. Middle of Fage 6, on the Order of House Bills 3rd Reading, is House Bill 244. Senator D'Arco seeks leave of the Body to return that bill to the Order of 2nd Reading for purposes of an amendment. Is leave granted? Leave is qranted. On the Order of House Bills 2nd Reading, House Bi11 244. Madam Seeretary.

Amendment No. l offered by Senator D'Arco.

Senator D'Arco, on Amendment No. 1.

Thank you. Mr. Presidentz this amendment removes the provisions relating to Ehe reporting requirements of any outage of four hours or more. That's what I thouqht - this is the wrong amendment. This amendment is a technical amendment, and it really guts the bill. And-we just Want to move the bill to 3rd Reading - and get this bill in a conference committee.

1 Al1 right. Senator D'Arcofs moved the adoption of Amendment I No. l to House Bill 244. Diseussion? If not, all in favor, 1 i I ndicate by saying Aye. Al1 opposed. The Ayes -- I'm sorry. I I Senator Maitland. SENATOR MAITLAND: I Well, thank you -- I just wonder -- welre just putting another vehicle out there. And I -- I Would just suqgest -- this late date -- and there are plenty of vehicles out there. I'm wondering why wedre doing thise Senator.

Senator D'Arco . ! l40  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLX REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25, 1991

Well, we -- we want to address the concerns of people that are worried about outages. And we Want to address the concerns of Commonwea1th Edison, if possible. And we feel at this time the only way to do that is to :et this in a conference committee.

Senator Maitland.

Well, Senator, there are plenty of vehicles around that do that# and I think probably the intent of the original bill is still on your mind. And I Was in strong opposition to that, as you know, and would ask the Members on my side of the aisle just to resist resist this.

A11 right. The Gentleman has moved the adoption of Amendment No. to House Bill 244. Those in favor of the amendment will vote Aye. Opposedz vote Nay. And the voting's open. Have all voted Who wish? Have a1l voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have al1 voted who Wish? Have al1 voted Who Wish? Take the reeord. On that queskion, there are 28 Ayes, 27 Naysy none voting Present. The amendment's adopted. Further amendments?

No further amendments.

3rd Reading. 580. Senator D 'Arco. On Page on the Calendar, Ladies and Gentlemen, on the Order of House Bills 3rd Reading, is House Bill 580. Senator D'Arco seeks leave of the Body to return that bill to the Order of 2nd Reading for purposes of an amendment. Is leave granted? Leave is granted. On the Order of House Bills 2nd Reading is House Bi11 580, Madam Secretary. l41  STATE OF ILLINOTS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRTPT 50th Legislative Day June 25, 1991 END OP TAPE TAPE 4

Amendment No. l offered by Senator D'Arco.

Senator D 'Arco, on Amendment No.

Thank youy Mr. President. This adds an immediate effective date to the bill, and I move for its adoption.

Senator D'Arco has moved the adoption of Amendment No. 1 to House Bill 580. Discussion? If not, a11 in favor, indicate by saying Aye. A11 opposed. The Ayes have it. The amendmene's adopted. Are there further amendments?

No further amendments.

3rd' Reading. Senator Jones, 1216. ïou don't Wish to pursue? 1220. Senator Rea. Page 9 on the Calendarr Ladies and Gentlemen, middle of the pagey on the Order of House Bills 3rd Reading is House Bill 1220. Senator Rea seeks leave of the Body to return that bill to the Order of 2nd Reading for purposes of an amendment. Is leave graneed? Leave is granted. On the Order of House Bills 2nd Readin: is House Bi11 1220, Madam Secretary. SECRETARY HAWKER) Amendment No. 1 offered by Senator Rea.

Senator Rea, on Amendment No. 1.

l42  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENCRAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25: 1991 Thank you, Mr. President. Al1 this does is to change the effective date from 1992 to 1993. I would move for adoption.

Senator Rea has moved the adoption of Amendment No. 1 to House Bill 1220. Discussion? If not: all in favor, indicate by saying Aye. A11 opposed. The Ayes have The amendment's adopted. Are there further amendments?

No fureher amendments. PRESIDENT ROCKI 3rd Reading. Senator Brookins, on 1685. On Page 10 on the Calendar, Ladies and Gentlemen, bottom of the page. 0n the Order of House Bills 3rd Reading is House Bill 1685. Senator Brookins seeks leave of the Body to return that bill to the Order of 2nd Reading for purposes of an amendment. Is leave granted? Leave is granted. On the Order of House Bills 2nd Readlng, House Bill 1685. Madam Secretary.

Amendment No. 3 offered by Senator Drookins.

Senator Brookins.

Thank you, Mr. President. This amendment helped put the bill into shape to answer some questions that was posed yesterday. What ordinanee really - is really uhat it says - and What Will it be prohibiting. And I just ask for an Aye vote on adoption of the amendment.

Al1 right. Senator Brookins has moved the adoption Amendment No. 3 to House Bill 1685. Discussion? Senator Dudycz.

Yes, thank you, Mr. President. Senator Brookins, who Wants l43  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25y 1991 this amendment, and what are you trying to accomplish with PRESIDENT ROCE) Senator Brooklns.

yes. CTA is the one that wants the amendment. And what we're attempting to accomplish is to allow the new buses, which will transport handicapped people, to be able to pull to the curb and piek them up. So this is really a bill to help -- well, the btll will be: when it's in order, to help the handicapped peoplew but this amendment is to answer the questions that was posed on the Floor on yesterday.

Senator Dudycz.

The Way I read it, Senator, khis is the amendment which will lay off police officers and meter maids. Youlre taking the responsibilities that are that are specifically for law enforeement personnel and meter maids - to Write tickets - and you're giving these this authority to supervisors in the CTA. Is that correct?

Senator Brookins.

I would never 1ay off police officers - never, ever, if can help If anything, we need to hire some. But to answer your question, this is in keeping wieh khe P0P of the police department, in keepin: with Superintendent Martin, in keeping with the City of Chica:o. They cannot hire enough meter maids to do this. They can't hire enough. What we're sayin: in the ordinance that we want to enforce is merely, when people park in bus zones, that these people can ticket them and remove them so that the buses can get ko the curb and pick up the handicapped people. And 144  STATE 0F ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY RECULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25, 1991 I'm only merely trying to put this bill in order so that on 3rd Reading you can vote the bill up or down.

Senator Dudycz.

Well, Senator, how many -- how many people -- how many supervisors within the CTA system Will be authorized now to -- to Wrike citations?

Senator Brookins.

Approximately two hundred.

Senator Dudycz.

Well, it's my understanding that the Secretary of State opposes tbis amendment. And I'm not quite sure that the Chicago Police Department -- did you say that the Chicago Police Department is in favor of this?.

Senator Brookins.

Yes, the City of Cbieago and the police department, Superintendent Martin, is in favor of this, and it's my understanding that khey have spoke with you concernin: it.

Senator Dudycz.

No, I'm sorry, but they have not spoken With me whatsoever. And my understanding that they -- they are opposed to and nobody bas given me any information to the contrary. And the most recent information I received is that the Secretary of State also l45  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25z 1991 opposes and for that reason, I1m goin: to oppose the amendment.

Further discussion? Senator Raica.

Thank youp Mr. President and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. I spoke to a George Edwards, Who is the Intergovernmental Affairs Officer from the CTA, today, and he stated that he spoke ' to Fraternal Order of Pollce John Dineen: and John Dineen is not opposed to this concept. I can see where giving the supervisors the authority to write parking violations just within CTA obstrueted ways might not be a bad idea. It would take some of the ticket-writing jurisdiction or not really jurisdietion - away from the police department, but it can free them up to go and do some more crime-related matters, instead of just wrlting violations. And if if John Dineen says it's okay for the police officers, it has my support anyway.

Further discussion? Senator Carroll.

Thank you, Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. I rise in support of the legislation. Let me just say, in a congested area like downtown Chlcago. while they have a significant number of meter maids, there are not sufficient nunbers there - and equally ln the outlying arease where there are not meter malds - to have people patrolling Ehae limited area known as a bus stop. In the outlying areas particularlyr the bus must get up to the curb with this new type of handicapped access equipment in order to aecommodate handicapped persons or wheelchaired persons, and often they're unable to do so because of an illegally-parked car in a bus seop. A car in a bus stop cannot be towed unless they have first been given a tlcket. The purpose l46  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25, 1991 of this is to merely -- to add to the meter maids by allowin: those supervisors who work for the CTA and are traveling those routes to where they see an illegally parked car, issue a citation so that that car ean then be towed by the police department or the outstde tow people of the City, and then allow the handigapped person to actually get on the bus. The City, as understand it, helped draft this legislation. This merely allows for an intergovernmental cooperation agreement between the Chicago Transit Authority and the City. It Will take both to get this done. It is something that Will just help make those funds expended for handicapped aceess usable for a change, and I think it's a very good idea.

Further discussion? Senator Watson.

Yes, thank you. This is the same approach, this amendment isg as we heard yesterday -- is to allow for scme tWo hundred more individuals to be issuing parking tlckets in Chicago. is tightençd up to .some degree in khe fact that it does say '''public transportation,'' but that public transportation, I'm sure, eould be -- taxi stands and other -- other possible areas of -- on the street of Chicaqo. Two hundred more people out there. I don't know if the Members are aware of this or notz but there 's some fourteen thousand parking citations written each day in the City of Chicago. I don't know if you're aware of that or not. Some two to three thousand of them are issued by meter maids. And I don't know, Senator. You mentioned that they need to be dolng other things. They're obviously getting the job done on parking tlckets. And now kefre going to have some tWo hundred more people oue there issuing parking tickets. 1 introduced a resolution several weeks ago asking that the City of Chieago and others look into tbe problem of a11 of these parking tickets and the fact that l47  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25z 1991 they're writing and contactinq people downstate who have never even been in Chicago, and the fact that there have been a violation. and that they Will be fined, and ehat they need to make a court appearance. I mean, this, I tbink, is just a wrong direction to go, Senator, and I would urge the Body to vote No on this amendment and ask for a roll call.

Further dkscusskon? Senator Geo-Karis.

Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senater I have to concur With Senator Watson: because my office must be sending letters to the superintendent of police - about two hundred a year - for people who get parking tickets Who haven't even been in Chicago. And I don't know that this is going to help matter: any by adding these people on. No, they don't deserve it, Senator D'Arco. Yours might, but not mine. And I certainly speak against the amendment.

Further discussion? Senator Brookins: you may close.

I don dt know What We have against the handicapped people, but we certainly have passed the bill to equip the CTA buses and a11 buses with equipment so that we can transport or give them a neW life and a productive life by letting them ride public transportation. This bill here -- this amendment clears up -- lt merely clears up what 6rdinance that Would be enforced by CTA supervisors. We're not taking jobs away from anyone. Wefre only sayinq that we want to give them an opportunity to pull the buses into the curb Where they can get on. Thls amendment elears up points that was raised yesterday, and I ask for the adoption of this amendment.

148  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Leqislakive Day June 25, 1991 Senator Brookins has moved the adoption of Amendment No. 3 to House Bill 1685. Those in favor of the amendment will vote Aye. Opposed, vote Nay. And the voting is open. Have a11 voted who wish? Have a1l voted Who wish? Have al1 voted who wish? Have al1 voted who Wish? Have all voted who Wish? Take the record. On that question, there are 26 Ayes, 28 Nays, none votin: Present. The amendment fails. Further amendments?

No further amendments.

3rd Reading. Same Page, Page 10 on the Calendar. Senator Schuneman seeks leave of the Body to return House Bill 1692 to the Order of 2nd Reading for purposes of an amendment. Is leave granted? Leave is granted. On the Order of House Bills 2nd Reading, House Bill 1692, Madam Secretary.

Amendment No. 1 offered by Senaeor Schuneman.

Senator Schuneman.

Thank you, Mr. Fresident. 1692 is a bill that Central Management Services plans to use for changes in the Health ' Insurance Program, and this amendment merely deletes the immediate effective date in the billy which will send the bill to conference committee, Where those changes Will be amended on. So would move approval of this amendment.

Senator Sehuneman's moved the adoption of Amendment No. l to House Bill 1692. Discussion? If not, a1l in favor, indicate by sayin: Aye. A1l opposed. The Ayes have it. The amendment's adopted. Further amendments?

l49  STATE OP ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25, 1991 No further amendments.

3rd Reading. Same Page. 1733. Senator Luft seeks leave of the Body to return that bill to the Order of 2nd Reading for purposes of an amendment. Is leave granted? Leave is granted. On the Order of House Bills 2nd Reading is House Bill 1733: Madam Seeretary.

Amendment No . 2 offered by Senator Luft.

Senator Luft.

Thank you, Mr. President. The Deparkment of Revenue's eurrent penalty and interest rate system has six interest rates and thirty penalties. This amendment replaces that system with seven penalties and one interest rate, the interest rate being the IRS underpayment interest rate, which is equal at this date to ten peraent. The penalty for a failure to file is five percent. Failure Lo pay, fifteen percent. And twenty percent for trust taxes. Pailure to file information returns, five dollars per return. Negligence, ten percent. Fraud, flfty percent. And personal liabllity penalty on trust taxes. I'd attempe to answer any questions - otherwise, ask for the adoption of Amendment No. 2 eo House 3ill 1733.

senator Luft has moved Ehe adopeion of Amendment No. 2 to House Bi1l 1733. Discussion? Senator Rigney.

This amendment is an amendment that has been worked on for a long time with the various business and industrial interests in the State. And I'm pleased to say it looks now like they have reaehed an agreement, so I am supporting tbe amendment. l50  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25, 1991

Senator Luft has moved the adoption of Amendment No. 2 to House Bill 1733. Discussion? If not, a1l in favor, indicate by saying Aye. All opposed. The Ayes have it. The amendnent's adopted. Further amendments?

Amendment No. 3 offered by Senator Luft.

Senator Luft, on Amendment No. 3.

Thank you, Mr. President. The amendmene references No. -- 3, and it should reference No. 2. Tbis just simply eliminates the number 3 and replaces it with the number 2.

Senator Luft has moved the adoption of Amendment No. 3 to House Bill 1733. Discussion? If not, al1 in favor, indicate by saying Aye. All opposed. The Ayes have it. The amendment's adopted. Further amendments?

No further amendments.

3rd Reading. All right. With leave of the Body, wedll take up 1935 tomorrow, when wetre satisfied that al1 who want to propose an amendment have had the opportunity to get it prepared. Page 12 on the Calendar. Page Senator Barkhausen. 2125. Senator Barkhausen seeks leave of the Body to return Eha: bill to the Order of 2nd Reading for purposes of an amendment. Is leave granted? Leave is granted. On the Order of House Bills 2nd Reading is House Bill 2125. Madam Secretary.

Amendment No. 2 offered by Senator Barkhausen.

l5l  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION j SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25# 1991 Senator Barkhausen. SENATOR BARXHAUSEN: Mr. Presidentp I apologize. We found a problem with the amendment, and would ask -- and I Would ask that it be withdrawn at this time. PRESIDENT ROCK: A11 right. Withdraw the amendment. Further amendments? SECRETARY HAWKER: No further amendments. PRESIDENT ROCK: 3rd Reading. 2295. Senator Cullerton seeks leave of the Body to return that bill to the Order of 2nd Reading for purposes of an amendment. Is leave granted? Leave is granted. On the Order of House Bills 2nd Reading is House Bill 2295, Madam Secretary. SECRETARY HAWKER: Amendment No. 2 offered by Senator Cullerton. PRESIDENT ROCK: Senator Cullerton, on Amendment No. 2. SENATOR CULLERTON: Thank you, Mr. President, Members of the Senate. This bill is the Lead Poisoning Prevention Act -- or amends that Act. This amendment comes at the request of the Home Buildersp and it's an agreed amendment With the Home Builders. I'd move for its adoption. PRESIDENT ROCK: Senator CullerEon has moved the adoption of Amendment No. 2 to House Bill 2295. Discussion? If notg al1 in favory indicate by saying Aye. All opposed. The Ayes have it. The amendment's adopted. Further amendments? SECRETARY HAWKER: No further amendments. PRESIDENT ROCK: 152 i I. :  STATE 0F ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislatlve Day June 25, 1991 3rd Reading. All right. Ladies and Gentlemen, we have been through House 2nd and House 3rd. There's been a request to go to the Order of Resolutions. I would turn your attention to Pages and 17 of your Calendar. There are a number of Members who have Senate Joint Resolutions, which obviously require joint actlon and have to be sent to the House for their action. And there are a number of Senate Resolutions, a number of Members have indicated their desire to move ahead. Resolutions, Madam Secretary.

Senate Resolution 584 offered by Senator Madigan. Senate Resolution 585 offered by Senator Rea. Senate Resolution 586 offered by Senator Hawkinson. Senate Resolution 587 offered by Senator Ralph Dunn. And Senate Resolution 588 offered by Senator Daley . Theyire al1 congratulatory and death resolutions.

Consent Calendar.

Senator Madigan, for what purpose do you arise, sir?

Thank you, Mr. President. Point of personal privilege.

State your point, please.

Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate, visiting with us today is a resident of Enyder Village Hea1th CenEer in MeEamora. Her name is Lyda Bitner. She's been down here today to testify on the Medicaid problems. And Lyda Bitner is a lady that's one hundred years young today. And would like to for the Senate to Welcome her. She 's up in the press gallery.

Will the Members please recognize our guest. Welcome to  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGZLAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT ! 50th Legislative Day June 25, 1991 Springfield. Senator Karpiel, for what purpose do you arise?

Thank you, Mr. President. I rise also on a point of personal privilege. I'd like to introduce everyone to the Village Manager of the Village of Carol Stream, Where I live, Greg Bielawski, who is visiting us today. And the reason he is here is because he's very interested in a bill that's on 2nd Reading, and I would just like to request of the Chair if We will be going back to 2nd Readings today or not.

Yes, we will be going back. This is the last day for 2nd Readings, so I intend to go through --

That's what I thougbt.

-- it one more time.

Thank you very much.

All right. Ladies and Gentlemen, it's Tuesday, June 25th. Tomorrow is the 26th. That's the deadline for consideration of House Bills on 3rd Reading. We dre going to run through House Bills 2nd one more time. It's today or never for those -- 550. Senator Marovitz. 841. Senator Joyce. Read the bill.

House Bill 841. (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Readin: of the bill. No committee amendments.

Are there amendments from the Floor?

Senator Jerome Joyce offers Amendment No. 1. I 154  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENCRAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT : l 50th Legislative Day June 25: 1991 '

Senator Joyce.

Thank you, Mr. President. The first amendment is the original bill that exempts projects that are licensed by a State agency from the notification approval requirements by the Resource Preservation Act. I'd ask for its adoption.

Senator Luft -- I mean, Senator Joyce has moved the adoption of Amendment No. l to House Bill 841. Diseussion? If not, al1 in favor: indicate by saying Aye. Opposed. The Ayes have it. The amendment's adopted. Further amendments?

Amendment No. 2 offered by Senator Jerome Joyce.

Senator Joyce, on Amendment No. 2. SENATOR J .J. JOYCE; This -- thank you, Mr. President. This requires only When it's eeonomically feasible that it -- it be carried out, and I'd ask for its adoption.

Senator Joyce has moved the adoption of Amendment No. 2 to House Bill 841. Discussion? If not, all in favor, indicate by saying Aye. All opposed. The Ayes have it. The amendment's adopted. Further amendments?

Amendment No. 3 offered by Senator Jerome Joyce.

Senator Joyce. SENATOR J.J. JOYCE) I'd like to withdraw that amendment.

l55  STATE OP ILLINOIS 87th GBNERAL ASSEMBLV REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25, 1991 Witbdrawn. Further amendments?

No further amendments.

3rd Reading. 1249. Senator Luft. Read the bitl. No: don 't read the bill. 1449. Senator Macdonald. 1512. Senator Woodyard . 1587. Senator Alexander. Senator Alexander, do you wish the bill read? Read the bill, please.

House Bilt 1587. (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Reading of the bill. No committee amendments.

Any amendments from the Floor?

Senator Alexander offers Amendment No. 1.

Senator Alexander. SENATOR ALEXANDERI Thank you, Mr. President. This Amendment No. l is in response to the committee 's inquiries concerning the substance bill. The bill presently -- or the amendment presently deletes a11 the mandatory changes and becomes the bill. It requires the appointment of two new housing authority commissioners who are residents of the housing authority. This amendment also takes in consideration how they shall be appointed by the current appointin: authorikies from each resident or distriat ehroughout the State. I aGk for a concurrence or the passing of this amendment to this bill.

Senator Alexander has moved the adoption of Amendmenk No. 1 to House Bill 1587. Discussion? If not, a11 in favor: indicate by l56  STATE OP ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25, 1991 I saying Aye. A11 opposed. The Ayes have it. The amendment4s I adopted. Purther amendments?

Amendment No. 2 offered by Senator Schaffer.

Senator Schaffer, on Amendment No. 2.

This amendment's fairly simple. It Would limit these provisions to the City of Chicago and County of Cook. Those of us downstate - at least in my part of the world - have no problem and if it isn't broke, we aren't prepared to fix it. If our friends êrom Chicago wish another system for appointing members to the housing authority, why I'm more than happy to defer to them .

Gentleman's moved the adoption of Amendment No. 2 to House Bill 1587. Discussion? Senator Alexander.

Thank you. I stand in opposition to this amendment. I have worked diligently. I have held this bill religiously, at the request of the committee, until ie had been Worked out with a11 persons interested. As for makin: this a Chicago-only bill, testimony was given in both Houses from members from a coalition of housing tenants who desire to have a chance to express their own life throuqh the eommissioner system. I ask that this amendment be defeated, and I'd ask for a -- roll call.

A1l right. Senator Schaffere on Amendment No. -- Purther discussion? Senator Demuzio.

I just -- I'm sorrye I Wasn't paylng too close of attention, but it seems to me that we did say in committee - and: Senator Schaffer, I'm nok sure exaetly what your amendment does, because I l57 1  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25, 1991 don 't have it in front of me - that we were going to attempt to limit this -- the two new housing authorities - commissioners, guessy to the housing authority - to Chicago only. And I thought ehat's tbe way in Which this bill was proceeding, and perhaps I've been misunderstood and perhaps somebody could straighten me out.

Senator Alexander.

My commitment Was to the method of the election only, because the cost that was purportedly invotved with the eleetion was so prohibitive, and that was the agreement that I agreed to. There has been some major changes With this amendment which I've worked diligently w1th downstate housin: authority persons and the coalition. As late as this morning, there have been conversations regarding this amendment, and I do think it's a good piece of legislation. I do stand in opposition to making it a Chicago-only amendnent.

Senator Demuzio.

All right. Well then: Senator Sehaffer, does your amendment then limit this bill only to the City of Chicago and not to downstate housing authorities?

Senator Schaffer.

yes, Senator Demuzio. Frankly, I've been contaeted by my housing authorittes, and they bave very serious problems With this concept. might, in fact, work in a large, urban setting; but in a doWnstate housing aukhority, where your houslng tenants are spread so diversely, you know, it really doesn't -- is not a workable solueion. And they -- franklyy this would also force *he l58  STATE OP ILLINOIS 87th GENEKAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislakive Day June 25, 1991 various county boards to dump the incumbent board members -- at least I'm itls either dump them or add neW board members on. Okay, wedre addin: new board members. I'm sorry. And T don't see any need for that. These boards are already fairly cumbersome. The bottom line is that I don't have a problem in my area . I havenlt been getting any heat from anybody, and my housing authorities, who I think are prekty humane, well-motivated people who serve Without pay, are opposed to this Cook County-type of solution beinq inflicted on them. It's that simple.

Purther dkscussion? Senator Sehuneman.

Thank you, Mr. President. simply want to reiterate what both Senator Schaffer and Demuzko have said. Furthermore, I sponsored a bill this year that was a rewrite of the Illinois Housing Authority Act. That rewrite was prepared as a result of input from counties all around this State, and none of them asked for this particular provision that Senator Alexander is seeking. If the system is broken in Chicago, We should allow Senator Alexander to fix it. But this amendment simply takes the rest of us out of it. So would urge adoption of the amendment.

Purther discussion? Senator Alexander.

In the amendment, Where there are no tenant associations, this bill would not have any effect. Where there are tenant assoeiations, they should have the prlvilege whether it's àn Chicago or whether it's in Cairo - to elect -- I mean, to select commissioners to help them run their lives. These tenant assoeiations must be recognized by HDD and certified as such before they can have any pazt kn this process. This is a bill -- or a document being submikted fron *he Coalition of Public Housing 159  STATE OP ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSTON SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50kh Legislative Day June 25, 1991 Residents, and I present it to this Body for its consideration.

All right. The question is the adoption of Amendment No. Senator Schaffer, to close.

Well, just respectfully, Senator. what you wish to do for the City of Chicaqo - What those of you from Chicago want to do - is fine. Downstate and -- we wish no part of this. Thank you. Would appreciate a favorable roll call.

Question is the adoption of Amendment No. 2 to House Bill 1587. Those in favor of the amendment will vöte Aye. Opposed will vote Nay. And the voting ês open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted Who wish? Have all voted who Wish? Take the record. On that question, there are 33 Ayes, 13 Nays, none voting Present. Amendment No. 2 is adopted. Further amendments? SECRETARY HAWKER ) No further amendments.

3rd Reading. 1838. Senator Luft. Read the bill: Madam Seeretary, please.

House Bill 1838. (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Reading of the bill. No committee amendments.

Any amendments from the Floor?

Senator Luft offers Amendment No. 1.

Senator Luft, on Amendment No.

l60  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT sûth Legkskative Day June 25, 1991 Thank youe Mr. President. I would ask to have that amendment withdrawn.

Withdraw. Further amendments?

Amendment No. l offered by Senator Jacobs.

Senator Jacobsz on Amendment No.

Thank you, Mr. President and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. Amendment No. l merely allows for a redevelopment project that has -- with respect to which there has been issued a certificate of eligibility under the subsection, that the issuance of the certificate of eligibility shall be conclusively deemed for a11 purposes of this Act to be a Waiver of any omission. The reason for this amendment is that there is a -- a project ongoing now in Moline which -- did everything right, as far as they knew. They -- they were certified, and there evidently was some problems with some of thevpublication. This ui1l, in effect, confirm what they have done is rigbt. And I don't know of any opposition. And while I am on it# I would like to, as a point of personal privilege on the same information, introduce the Mayor of Moline, who is on the Floor today - Allen Mccaulley. Mayor Mccaulley.

Mr. Mayor, welcome. A1l right. Senator Jacobs moves the adoption of Amendment No. l to House Bill 1838. Discussion? If not, a11 in favor, indicate by saying Aye. A11 opposed. The Ayes have it. The amendment's adopted. Further amendments?

Amendment No. 2 offered by Senator Jacobs.

Senator Jacobs, on Amendment No. 2. Withdraw, please. l6l  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25, 1991 Further amendments?

Amendment No. 2 offered by Senator Luft.

Senator Luft.

Withdraw.

Withdraw, please. Purther amendments?

No further amendmenks.

3rd Reading. 1852. Senator Geo-Karis. 2239. Senator Cullerton. 2362. Senator Luft. 2433. Senator Berman: thae series you want to move any of that? Okay. Senator Luft said what? On the Order of House Bills 2nd Reading is House Bill 2362. Read the bill, please.

House Bill 2362. (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Reading of the bill. No committee amendments.

Any amendments from the Floor?

Senator Luft offers Amendment No.

Senator Luft, on Amendment No. 1.

Thank you, Mr. President. The amendment just simply limits the notice requirement for businesses which receive economic incentives to businesses which have to report to federal authorities under federal 1aW. 162  STATE QF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25, 1991

Senator Luft's moved the adoption of Amendment No. 1 to House Bill 2362. Discussion? If not, a11 in favor, indicate by saying Aye. A11 opposed. The Ayes have it. The amendmentds adopted. Further amendments?

No further amendments.

Reading. A1l right. Those series of revisory bills will be held. 2491. Senator Joyce. Hello. Read the bill, please.

House Bi11 2491. (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Reading of the bill. No committee amendments.

Any amendments from the Floor?

Senator Jerome Joyce offers Amendment No.

Senator Joyce, on Amendment No. 1.

Thank you for the wake-up eall, Mr. President. This changes the effective date to put it in a conference committee for ongoing negotiations with ehe Hospital Association regarding infectious waste. I'd ask for its adoption.

Senator Joyce has moved the adoption of Amendment No. l to House Bill 2491. Discussion? If not, a11 in favor, indicate by saying Aye. A11 opposed. The Ayes have The amendment's adopted. Further amendments?

No further amendments. 163  STATE OP ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25# 1991

3rd Reading. All right. Ladies and Gentlemen, We have now been through 2nd Reading for the second time and 3rd Reading. So that pretty much concludes our business for today: except for Pages 16 and l7, which are resolutions. And the Members have indicated they wish to go to that Order. Webll go through these resolutions, these two pages, and then adjourn for the day, and wefll start again tomorrow morninq at 9230. And that will be our last day for the consideratkon of the House Bills on the Calendar. And there will be a Recall List. Senator Davidson indicates the Secretary of State is having amendments prepared. We will have the Mccormick Place amendments, and I understand there are one or tWo others. So welll try to accommodate as best we can. Senator Butler, for what purpose do you arlse, sir?

Point point of personal privilege, please.

State your point.

Ladies and Gentlemen, I Would like to introduce to you a very speeial person. She, too, is a Mayor. This is Sonya Crawshaw, the Mayor of Hanover Park. But in addition to that, she is the President of the Northwest Municipal Conference. The Conference has -- represents over a million residents, and there are thirty-four communities and five townships. Ladies and Gentlemen, Sonya Crawshaw, Mayor and Madam President.

Madam Mayor, Madam President, welcome to Springfield.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) All right. Page -- Page 16. Senator Davidsony turn to Page l6. Senate -- Secretary 's Desky Resolutions. Senate Resolution Senator O 'Daniel. Senator O'Daniel. 164  STATE OP ILLINOIS 8?th GENERAL ASSEMBLY RECULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 5ûth Legislative Day June 25, 1991

Thank you. Thank your Mr. President and Members of the Senate. Senate Resolution b9 asks the Secretary of Agriculture to allow double cropping of canola on 0-92 provisions of the Pederal Farm Bi1l. You know, canola is a new crop - new speciality crop - in the State of Illinois, and it's low in cholesterol or has hardly no cholesterol at all. And eighty-five percent of our canola now is imported from other parts of the World, and I would move for the adoption of Senate Resolution 59.

PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Is there discussion? Senator O'Daniel has moved the adoption of Senate Resolution 59. A11 in favor will indicate by saying Aye. ûpposed, Nay. The Ayes have it. Senate Resolution 59 is adopted. Senate Resolution 64. Senator Joyce. Senate Resolution 95. Senator Tom Dunn. Senator Tom Dunn. I1m sorry. 0h, I'm sorry, it was Senate Resolution 64. Senator Joyce.

Thank you, Mr. President. try to wear a brighter coat tomorrow , and youdll be able to -recognize me. Senate Resolution 64 asks that -- basically it asks that the Norfolk & Southern Railroad and the Department of Conservation to stop negotiating on a bicycle trail in Will County until the landowners along the bicycle path have had an opportunity to negotiate with the Department of Conservation. I'd ask for its adoption.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Joyce has moved the adoption of Senate Resolution 64. Is there discussion? If not, those -- Senator Pawell.

Thank you very much. I -- I did get several phone calls on this resolution. Of coursee we have the Prairie Path in our neck of the woods, and there are a lot of people in my distriet who would like to see this proceed on a normal course with the Rock l65  STATE 0P ILLINOIS 87th CENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25, 1991 Island and the I mean, with the railroad and the Department of Conservation to continue their talks. And therefore rise opposition to your resclution.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Al1 right. Further discussion? not, Senakor Joyce may close.

Thank you: Mr. President. A1l this is asking for is the -- is the Department of Conservation to talk to the landowners along there. They 9ot them -- they told them to all 9et together or I mean the railroad to talk to the landowners. They asked them to a1l get together, form a -- a landowners' group, and they would talk to them, and khen they absolutely stopped and are only negotiating with the Department of Conservation. Ask for --

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) All right. Senator Joyce has moved the adoption of Senate Resolution 64. A11 in favor, indicate by saying Aye. Opposed: Nay. In the opinion of the Chair, the Ayes have it. Senate Resolution 64 is adopted. A1l right. Senate Resolution 95. Senator Thomas Dunn. SENATOR T. DUNNI Thank you, Mr. President. This resolution urges Congress to reevaluate the federal statutory limit on the length of rehabilitation for combat-incurred brain injuries, and this would apply to -- back to Vietnam, as Well to Desert Storm. Currently there 's a twenty-four-month period where they will kreat a comba: brain injuryy with a maximum extenslon of six montbs, and after that, they are shutting off veterans. And this would urge them to reevaluate that time period.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) A11 right. Is there discussion? Senator Thomas Dunn has moved the adoptkon of Senate Resolution 95. A11 in favor, l66  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 5ûth Legkslative Day June 25, 1991 indicate by saying Aye. Opposed, Nay. The Ayes have it. Senate Resolution 95 is adopted. Senate Resolution 96. Senator Kelly.

Thank you, Mr. President. Senate Resolution 96 is our annual Respect for Life Week. I Would designate the week of October 6th through October 13th to be Respect for Al1 Life, from the unborn to khe young to the old, all the citizens of Illinoise a respect for life. And I request your support for this resolution.

PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Is there discussion? Senator Xelly has moved the adoption of Senate Resolution 96. All in favor, indicate by sayinq Aye. Opposed: Nay. The Ayes have it. Senate Resolution 96 is adopted. Senate Resolution 99. Senator Thomas Dunn.

Thank you, Mr. President. This resolution directs the Commerce Commission to study ways to achieve universal telecommunication service, and to report to the Senate by October lst of this year.

PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Al1 right. Is there discussion? This one will require a roll call, because it does deal With the expenditure of some monles. Question is, shall Senate Resolution 99 pass. Those in favor will vote Aye. Those opposed, Nay. The voting is open. Have al1 voted Who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have a1l voted Who wish? Take the record. On that question, khe Ayes are 52, the Nays are none, none votinq PresenE. Senate Resolution 99 is adopted. Senate Resolution 100. Senator Raica. Senator Ralca on the Floor? 109. Senator Woodyard. Senate Resolution 109. Senator Woodyard.

Thank you, Mr. President and Members of the Senate. This resolution was introduced several months ago, when our office 167  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25, 1991 started getting quite a number of calls from families of military people in the Desert Storm Operation who didn't seem to be able to get mueh consideration from banks and automotive campanies and things like that. And all the resolution does is to urge those financial institutions to use restraint in negotiating settlement of any indebtedness by the Desert Storm participants.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Discussion? If not, the question is, shall Senate Resolution 109 pass. All in favor will indicate by saying Aye. Opposed, Nay. The Ayes have it. Senate Resolution 109 is adopted. Senate Resolution 177. Senator Savickas. -- 204. Senator Hudson. On the Order of Senate Resolutions, Senate Resolution 204. Senator Hudson.

Thank you, Mr. President. Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate, Senate Resolution 204 is the resolution that urges Congress to propose an amendment to khe U.S. Constitution for ratification by the States specifying that Congress shall have the power to prohibit physical deseeration to the United States Flag. This one we have discussed and eonsidered before. I thlnk the last time we did so it passed unanimously out of this Chamber to the House. This time it's a Senate Resolution, and I would simply urge your agreement on this.

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Is there discussion? If not, Senator Hudsan has moved the adoptton of Senate Resolutlon 204. A1l in favor, indicate by saying Aye. Opposed, Nay. The Ayes have it. Senate Resolution 204 is adopted. Further resolutions? Senate Resolution 233. Senator Holmberg.

Thank you, Mr. President. Senate Resolution 233 basically instructs the State Unlverslties Retirement System to make 168  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Leqislative Day June 25, 1991 recommendations to the General Assembly with respect to early retirement plans and equitable service credit formulas for public community college faculty and other such matters. This was brought about because a11 of the community college faculty were hired at one time when We started the system, and most of them will be retiring at the same time, and we need to include options for ehem.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Is there discussion? If noty Senator Holmberg has moved the adoption of Senate Resolution 233. Those in favor will indicate by saying Aye. Opposed, Nay. The Ayes have Senate Resolution 233 is adopted. Senate Resolution 266. Senator Daley. Senaeor Daley.

Thank you, Mr. -- thank you, Mr. President and Members of tbe Senate. Senate Resolution 266 welcomes the 1994 World Cup to the U.S., and urges the City of Chicago to be seleeted as the site.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Daley has moved the adoption of Senate Resolution 266. All in favor -- discussion? If not, al1 in favor, indieate by saying Aye. Opposedy Nay. The Ayes have it. Senate Resolution 266 is adopted. Senate Resolution 379. Senator J.J. Joyce. Senator J.J. Joyce.

Thank you, Mr. President. This resolution urges the Federal Government: the Department of Agriculture: and our State Department of Agriculture: as well as soil and Water conservation districts: to cooperate with the 1990 Earm Bill and 1et farmers plant strips along ditches and streams and impoundments to cut down on siltation and run-off. I'd ask for its adoption.

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Is there discussion? If not, Senator Joyce has moved the 169  ! i STATE 0F ILLINOIS 87*h GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION 1 SENATE TRANSCRIPT 1 50th Legislative Day June 25 , 1991 adoption of Senate Resolution 379. Those in favor will indicate by Eaying Aye. Opposed, Nay. The Ayes have it. Senator Resolution 379 is adopted. 388. Senator Topinka. Senator Topinka.

Yes, Mr. Presidenty Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate, Senate Resolution 388 asks that we encourage the Postmaster General and the postmaster in Chicago to give the Town of Cicero its own post office. Town of Cicero has asked .that this be done. The mayor, the town board and the chamber of commerce there, which found that eighty-four percent of the businesses there in this sixty-six-thousand-person town are not getting good mail service, and we would ask your assistance.

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Is there discussion? If not: Senator Topinka has moved the adoption of Senate Resolution 388. A11 in favor will indicate by saying Aye. Opposed, Nayo In the opinion of the Chair, *he Ayes have it. Senate Resolution 388 is adopted. Senate Resolution 401. Senator Philipa Senator Weaver.

Thank you, Mr. President. Senate Resolution 40l urges the Department of Transportation to develop and implement and adopt a highway program .

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Weaver has moved the adoption of Senate Resolution 401. Is khere discussion? If not, those in favor wàll indicate by saying Aye. Opposed, Nay. The Ayes have it. Senate Resolution 40l is adopted. Page l7. Senate Resolution 403. Senator Ralph Dunn is recognized. SE&ATOR R . DUNN: Thank you, Mr. President, Members of the Senate. Senate Regolution 403 requests that the State Toll Road Authority conduct l70 I E  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Leqislative Day June 25# 1991 a study of the feasibility of a four-lane highway from the Carbondale to St. Louis area based on khe receipt of adequate funding. Congressman Poshard has put in to highway -- federal highway request for funds.

PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Is there discussion? Senator Ralph Dunn has moved the adoption of Senate Resolution 403. Those in favor will indicate by saying Aye. Opposed, Nay. The Ayes have it. Senate Resolution 403 is adopted. Senate Resalutlon 425. Senator Karpiel.

Thank you, Mr. President. Senate Resolution 425 sets up an advisory task force which Wil1 study the problems that roller skating rinks have in this State with the escalating liability insurance rates. And they are to -- to report back to the General Assembly by April 1992, there is any -- any suggestions for legislation that could help this.

PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Al1 rlght. Senator Karpiel, this -- this resolution would require a roll call. Senator Karpiel has moved the adop*ion of Senate Resolution 425. A11 in favor will vote Aye. Those opposed, Nay. The votin: is open. Have all voted who Wish? Have a11 voted Who wish? Have al1 voted who Wish? Take the record. On that questiony the Ayes are 44, the Nays are none, none voting Present. Senate Resolution 425 is adopted. Senate Resolution 544. Senator Topinka.

Yes, Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate, this resolution would create a Task Force on Alternative Markets for Used Newsprint. It is supported by the Illinots Environmental Council, the Department of Energy and Natural Resources, the Illinois Press Association. We would seek to involve an'd look at l7l  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25, 1991 profitability, the uses of used newsprint in agriculture, conservation, solid Waste and composting by the private sector, and anything else that this could apply to. And I would ask your support.

PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) A11 right. It, too, also requires a roll call. Is there a discussion? not, Senator Topinka has moved the adoption of Senate Resolution 544. Those in favor will vote Aye. Those opposed, Nay. The votin: is open. Have a1l voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have al1 voted who Wish? Take the record. On that question, the Ayes are 48, the Nays are none voting Present. Senake Resolution 544 is adopted . House Joint Resolueion 6. Senator Jacobs. House Joint Resolution l0. Senator Kelly. Senator Kelly.

Thank you, Mr. President. House Joint Resolution No. 10 extends an invitation to the people of Taiwan to join With Illinois as a sister state. We a11 know that Taiwan has been a faithful.ally for two-thirds of a century. They dre Wefve got over, well, billions of dollars in trade with Taiwan, and ehis would request that they would be a sister state wlth Illinois. And I move for its adoption.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Discussion? If not, Senator Kelly has moved the adoption of House Joint Resolution Al1 in favor will indicate by saying Aye. Opposed, Nay. The Ayes have it. House Joint Resolukion 10 is adopted. Senate Joint Resolution 4. Senakor Topinka. Senator Topinka ls recognized.

ïes, Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate, this resolution encourages the Illinois Congressional Delegation to request an examination of a11 federally owned real property within l72  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Leqislative Day June 25, 1991 the State for the purpose of selling a1l latent or unused federal property to private entities. It would be our -- it would be our wish that the liquidation of such unused federal property in Illinois would generate funds not only for the Federal Treasur-y. but also revenue for local governments. And would seek your support.

PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Is there discussion? Senator Topinka has moved the adoption of Senate Joint Resolution 4. A1l in favorr indicate by saying Aye. Opposed, Nay. The Ayes have 1t. Senate Joint Resolution 4 is barely adopted. House <sicl (Senate) Joint Resolution 6. Senator Brookins. Senator Brookins.

Thank you, Mr. President. This resolution urge the ICC to amend proposed rules regarding restriction to the entry into the commercial motor carrler business. The ICC has proposed new restriction rules for issuing motor carrier license. The intent of Public Act No. 86-105 Was not to restrict entry into the motor carrier business. The new rules Would result in restriction -= restricting minorities into the field and the increase in cost to consumers. I have letters of support from Congressman Denny Hassel <sic> and the Secretary -- Hastert -- and the Secretary of Transportation also. And I ask for a favorable vote.

PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) A11 right. Discussion? Senator Jones.

Yes, will the sponsor yield? Yes? Senator Brookins, recall a constituent brought this issue to me, and I told him that any propcsed rules as such would be goins through the Joint Committee on Administrative Rules. Now, the Joint Committee will review any rules, at whieh time they hold publie hearings to see if there's adverse impact of such. The -- the Joint Committee is the arm of 173  STATE 0F ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLX REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25, 1991 this Body and for us to pass a resolution on rules that we have not even had a chanee as a Committee to even look aty is being rather presumptuous. So what I'm saying to you ls simply this here -- is that they cannot propose any rules that the Statute do not permit them to do. as Co-chair of that Committee and there are other Rembers here Who serve on Joint -- on the JCAR it's rather presumptuous to assume that the Commerce Commission rules Would would have a adverse impact, When We have yet to even receiv. -- hold a hearing on any proposed rules. wish you would hold this until the Joint Committee bas time to carry out its legislative authority to look at any proposed rules alonq these lines -- on this line.

PRESIDINC OPFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Brookins.

Senator Jones, as I stand here and talk to you today: and as we've'been in Session a11 this year, the ICC is enforcin: rules and barring people from receiving license and going into the transportation business in our community - in your community and in my community. They are barring truckers. They have also beqan to enforce Ehese rules and saying that this was the intent of this legislation in passing that. I am saying to you that we're only asking until such time as your Committee can meet and establish some hard rules for them, for them to cease and desist. Do not enforce these rules on our constituents now . They're preventing people from going into business. And Ifm merely sayin: in a formal resolutiony do not enforce these rules. Let people enker into the business. It Was not our intention to bar people from going into business. And I'm asking for a favorable vote. am not trying to block your Commlttee. am not trying to interfere with your Committee. I want your Committee to Work, but want people to be able to go into business today - not two years from  STATE 0F ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25, 1991 now, not next year, but today.

PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) All right. Senator -- I thought Senator Brookins said close. Senator Jones.

Wellp only thing that I want to respond to the Senator to, and aside from the emotional rhetoric, is that how can -- they cannot put rules into place until such time as those rules you know, receive its approval. Now, We have not had those rules even presented to us as a Body, and I know it's not an emergeney as sueh. Soe what I'm saying is that I recognize the issue is before us. But what I'm saying is that the rules have not been presented to the Joint Committee, which is your Committee as a Legislative Body. And to be -- this is being rather presumptuous and that's the reason why I say -- you know, they cannot put rules into place that have not been approved as sueh.

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) All right. Purther discussion? If not -- I'm sorry. Senator Woodyard.

Well, thank you, Mr. President, Members of the Senate. In this particular case, I certainly support What the Co-ehair of the Joint Committee is saying. We don't have those rules yet, and we certainly do want to hold hearings on this. And I know I certainly have no intent or don't want to be a part of limiting minorities from -- from Ehe trucking industry, but certainly agree with the position in opposing the resolution by the Co-chairman.

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) All right. Further discussion? Senator Jones may close. I'm sorry. Senator Brookins may close.

STATE 0F ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25y 1991 Thank you. I indicated that have a letter from the Secretary of Transportation from Washington, D.C. Let me just read just one paragraph of it. ' dWe have urged the Commission to interpret the existing Illinois Statute to the greatest extent possible such a manner as to minimize the burden on carriersw shippers and consumers. The Commissioner, Chairman Barnich, has written to me explainin: the General Assembly legislated -- enacted in 1986 and 1988 gives the Commissioner no choice but to interpret this proposal. Would appreciake your consideration of efforts to prevent this qiant step backwards.'' Now, a1l IIm saying to them in this -- àn this resolution is do not enforce these rules, because that was not our intentions. Ifm asking if there is a committee, the JCAR Committee, you will have meetings over the summer, then you will propose hard rules. But until that time, we did not intend for then not to allow people to go into business. We want people in business. We encourage people to go into business, and let them go into business. And -- they feel tbat there 's no Way that they can allow them to do this because we passed this rule. I ask for a favorable vote. PRESIDING OFFICER) (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Brookins has requested a roll eall. Senator Brookins has moved the adoption of Senate Joint Resolution 6. Those in favor will vote Aye. Those opposedy Nay. The voting is open. Have a1l voted who wish? Have al1 voted who wish? Have a11 voted who wish? Have a11 voted who wish? Take the record. On that question, the Aves arê 34, the Nays are l0, none voting Present. Senate Joiht Resolution 6 is adopted. Senate Joint Resolution 20, T understand, has an amendment. Senator Rock. SENATOR ROCKI Thank you, Mr. President: Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. I would move the adoption of the committee amendment. It's a technical amendment to correet a spelling error. And I Would move l76  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50*h Legislative Day June 25, 1991 its adoption.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Discussion? Senator Rock has moved the adoption of Committee Amendment No. 1 to Senate Joint Resolution 20. Those in favor Wi11 indieate by saying Aye. Opposed, Nay. The Ayes have it. Committee Amendment No. l is adopted. Senator Rock, on Senate Joint Resolution 20.

Thank you, Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. Senate Joint Resolution 20 sets up a task force to be composed of twelve memberse three each appointed by the President and Minority Leader and the Speaker and the Minority Leader to study the issue of ritual abuse of children in the State of Illinois. It has come to my attention: and it was brought to the attention of the Executive Committee: that there is, in fact, in our State, unfortunately, an underground ritual abuse of children that's going on. We had some serious testimony from police officers, investigators, psychiatrists and some who have taken an interest in this subject matter, and so we are proposing a task force to study it and make recommendations to the General Assembly. I know of no objection, and I would urge an Aye vote. PRESIDTNG OFFICER) (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Discussion? If not, Senator Rock has moved the adoption of Senate Joint Resolution 20. Those in favor will indicate -- those in favor will vote Aye. Those opposed, Nay. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have a1l voted who uish? Have a11 voted who wisb? Take the record. On that questiong the Ayes are 53, the Nays are none, none voting Present. senate Joint Resolution 20 is adopted. Senate Joint Resolution 33. Senator Schaffer.

Mr. President, this resolution would ask IDOT to designate and l77  STATE 0F ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25, 1991 rename --

PRESIDING OFEICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) I'm sorry, Senator Schaffer, there's a committee amendment that has to be adopted. Senator Schaffer. Senator Schaffer.

The eommittee amendment is a technical amendment asked for by IDOT that would include renaminq the lock and dam, as opposed to just the lock, to avoid confusion.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Schaffer has moved the adoption of Committee Amendment No. 1. Is there discussion? If not, those in favor Will indicate by saying Aye. Opposedr Nay. The Ayes have it. Committee Amendment No. l is adopted. Further Senator Schaffer now is recognized on Senate Joint Resolution 33.

This resolution simply asks IDOT to re-designate the McHenry Loek and Dam and name it after former Governor Bill Stratton, who was responsible for construction of the lock and the early rebuilding of the McHenry Dam. This is some recognition to a former Governor that's long overdue.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) A1l right. Is there discussion? If not: Senator Schaffer has moved the adoption of Senate Joint Resolution 33. A11 in favor will vote Aye. Those opposed, Nay. The voting is open. Have a11 voted who Wish? Have al1 voted who Wish? Have a1l voted Who wish? Take the record. On that question, the Ayes are 47. the Nays are none, none voting Present. Senate Jolnt Resolution 33 is adopted. Senate Joint Resolution 36. Senator del Valle. Senator del Valle. SENATOR dEL VALLE: Thank you, Mr. President. Senate Joint Resolution 36 will create a task force to investigate hoW effectively the State of l78  STATE 0F ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25, 1991 Illinois is pursuinq the capturing of a11 federal dollars. And the committee -- the task force will report iks findings and recommendations to the General Assembly by December of $91. Much has been said during this Session about how federal dollars can be captured. Let's have an in-depth look at this and let's look at the total picture. That's What this resolution Would do. urge its adoption.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Is there discussion? Senator de1 Valle has moved the adoption of Senate Joint Resolution 36. All in favor will indicate by saying Aye. Opposed, Nay. I'm sorry. This would require a roll call. Senator de1 Valle has moved the adoption of Senate Joint Resolution 36. Those ln favor will vote Aye. Those opposedy Nay . The voting is open. Have a11 voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Take the record. On that question, the Ayes are 53, the Nays are none, none voting Present. Senate Joint Resolution 36 is adopted. Senate Joint Resolution Senator Topinka, on Committee Amendment No.

Xes, Mr. President, Committee Amendment No. l removed any consideration of public -- exhibits, thus limiting the resolution to breeding farms, which is Where we want to be in the entire resolution.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Topinka has moved the adoption of Committee Amendment No. 1. Discussion? Senator Leverenz.

Well, exactly what does the amendment remove or add?

PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Topinka.

think it has to be looked -- looked at in light of the whole 179  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legkslative Day June 25, 1991 resolution. The whole resolution would create a Zoological Park Study Commission to study the feasibility of establishing a breeding farm in Illinois for various endangered species now in the confines of our respeetive zoos, including Lincoln Park, Brookfield, and also the St. Louis Zoo. And Wefve been in contact with a1l of them and they are supportive. What they did not Want to see happen would that it would be open to the public. They wanted to keep private as a farm type of a situation, so as to encourage endangered animals to breed, and so as to be able to create and enhance the gene pool.

PRESIDING OPPICER: (SENATOR DZMUZIO) Further discussion? Senator Leverenz.

Does the amendment eliminate the representative from the St. Lauis Zoo from the Commission? Is that correct?

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Topinka.

No, does not.

PRESIDING OFFICCR: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Leverenz.

Who then would be on the Commission if it doesn't :et eliminated, as I understand it does?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) senator Toplnka.

The only thing the amendment removes is the public display of these animalsy so as not to disturb them in What is intentionally trying to be done here, Which is to enhance the breeding of endangered species. The -- the membership of the Commission would be four Members of the Senatey tWo each appointed by the President l80  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th CENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25, 1991 and Minority Leader; four Members of the House: tWo each appointed by the Speaker and Minority Leader; the Director of DCCA or a designee) the Director of the Department of Ag or a designee; and one representative from each of the fallowing aoos: the Brookfield Zoo, Lincoln Park Zoo, St. Louis Zoo, and also the Sierra Club. I'm sorryz the amendment did remove the it was a staff error. It did remove the representative from the St. Louis Zoo.

PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Leverenz.

Well, asked the question, does it eliminate the representatlve from the St. Louis Zoo. You said, ''No.I' Directing your attention to line nine of the amendment on Page 1, deletes line 26 by deleting the St. Louis Zoo. Is that correct?

PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Topinka.

just responded that, indeed, I was ineorrect. That was a staff error, and it did eliminate the member from the St. Louis Zoo.

PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Leverenz.

So nowr also in the amendment, now would they be -- would the animals be breeding in public or privaEe?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Topinka.

Well, they will be breedlng in private. And that is what the zoos requested, and that is what we gave them .

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) l81  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY RECULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legkslative Day June 25, 1991 Further discussion? Senator -- Senator Topinka has moved khe adoption of Commtttee Amendment No. -- IIm sorry. Senator -- Senator Marovitz.

Senator Topinka, is this your first -- your very first resolution?

PRESIDTNG OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Topinka.

No, it's not, sir.

Oh: we thouoht it was your first resolution.

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Topinka has moved the adoption of Committee Amendment No. 1. Al1 in favor: indicate by saying Aye. Opposed , Nay. The Ayes have it. Committee Amendment No. l is adopted. Further -- Senator Topinka is recoqnized on Senate Joint Resolution 43.

Just to recount what the resolution does. Indeed, iE woùld establish a Study Commission on the part of our zoos, and the various departments that Were noted, to create a breedlng farm in the State of Illinois.

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Is there a discussion? Senator Leverenz.

Well, we've elimlnated the breeding in public. But would the sponsor yield and give us some idea of the cost, and what might be covered by the four Members of the Senate and four Members of the Housez since ue spent a great deal of time and -- and public interest in eliminating commissions that study things? Perhaps you could address that?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) 182  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th CENERAL ASSEMBLY 1 RECULAR SESSION ! SENATE TRANSCRIPT 1 50th Legislative Day June 25s 1991 Senator Topinka.

It Would be strictly What is standard, whieh is expenses incurred. They receive no eompensation.

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Leverenz.

And do -- they would have to go around and visit breeding farms? And could the Lady explain perhaps where those breeding farms are and hoW many, for example, miqht be in-counery, and how many are out-of-country?

PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Topinka.

I think youdre probably expanding on this significantly more than these zoos wish to participate. They already know what they have to do . So I think it Would be very llmited, and probably their being able to get together in Illinois very conveniently to aehieve their purpose.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Leverenz.

But that did not address the question at all. Could the Lady at least give us some indication of the cost of the Commission? Because she does say it's going to cover expensesz et cetera, and that is what the public was desirous of eliminating.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMDZIO) Senator Topinka.

It would incur no more expenses than any of the other commissions and task forces we have passed upon here in the last ten minutes. l83  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLX REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25y 1991

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Further discussion? If not, Senator Topinka may close.

In order to achieve a better gene pool for endangered speeies, because is supported by our zoos, I would ask a favorable vote.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Topinka has moved the adoption of Senate Jaint Resolution 43. All in favor Will vote Aye. Those opposed, Nay. The votin: is open. Have all voted who wish? Have a1l voted kho wish? Have all voted who wish? Take the record. On that questione the Ayes are 46, the Nays are 4, none voting Present. Senate Joint Resolution 43 is adopted. Senate Joint Resolution 46. Senator Topinka.

Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senatez ehis is: unfortunately: the third time that this resolution comes to us# really at no fault of the Senate. Part of our problem has been in trying to 9et the various groups Who are to act on this to ack on this in a timely fashion. This creates an advisory panel within the Illinois Local Government LaW Enforcement Officers' Training Board to examine all issues and disputes between municipalities. counties, poliee and labor, regarding the use of auxiliary police as Well as their benefits, liabilities and relationship with regular poliee. The LaW Enforcement Training Board and a11 police associations in the State support this: Would like to see passede so Ehey ean beqln kheir Work.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Is there discussion? The question is: shall House -- I'm sorry. Shall Senate Joint Resolutlon 46 pass. Those in favor will vote Aye. Those opposed, Nay. The voting is open. Have a11 voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have al1 voted Who wish? Take the record. On that question, the Ayes are 54' the 184  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25, 1991 Nays are none, none voting Present. Senate Joint Resolution 46 is adopted. Senate Joint Resolution 47. Senator Thomas Dunn.

Thank you, Mr. President. This authorizes the Illinois Staee Toll Highway Authority to expand into Will County, and is supported by Senator Maharw DeAngelis and Hudson. This is part of the twenty-year plan for the collar counties. It has minimal relocation and is supported by every community along the way. urge a favorable vote.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Discussion? Discussion? If not, the question is, shall Senate Joint Resolution 47 pass. Those in favor will vote Aye. Those opposed, Nay. The votin: is open. Have all voted who wish? Have a11 voted Who wish? Have a1l voted who wish? Have a11 voted Who wish? Take the record. On that question, the Ayes are 53, the Nays are none, l voting Present. Senate Joint Resolution 47 is adopted. Senate Joint Resolution 58. Senator Topinka.

Yes, Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. think people on the committee, as well as 1, Were kind of astounded to find that this commendation, basically, for the Health Industry Manufacturers' Assoeiation did wind up in the Executive Committee. Al1 it is is a commendation to those companies whicb indeed aid our -- our economy here in the State of Illinois for the work they do. is strictly a commendation.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) A1l right. Is there discussion? If not, Senator Topinka has moved the adoption of Senate Joint Resolution 58. All in favor, indicate by saying Aye. Opposed, Nay. The Ayes have it. Senate Joint Resolution 58 is adopted. Leave of the Body, Wefll go to the Order of Resolutions. There are a couple of Members who have requested that congratulatory resolutions need to be passed today . l85  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLX REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT sûth Legislative Day June 25, 1991 Leave is granted. Senate Resolution 586. All right. It's already been read in. Senator Hawkinson.

Thank youz Mr. President. This is a eongratulatory resolution, and ik's for a June 28th anniversary. Would ask that We suspend the rules for khe immediate consideration of Senate Resolution 586.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZTO) A11 right. You've heard the request of Senator Hawkinson ta -- he moves to -- I'm sorry. He moves to suspend the rules for the immediate consideration and adoption of Senate Resolution 586, which is congratulatory. Al1 in favor, indicate by saying Aye. Opposed, Nay. The Ayes have it. The rules are suspended. Senator Hawkinson now moves the adoption of Senate Resolution 586. All in favor, indicate by sayin: Aye. Opposed, Nay. The Ayes have it. Senate Joink Resolution 86 <sic> is adopted. Senator Severns indicated that she had too has a eongratulatory Resolution which needs to be moved with some dispatch. Senate Resolution 576, Madam Seeretary. Senator Severns.

Thank you, Mr. President, Members of the Senate. I also move that we suspend the rules for immediate eonsideration and adoption of Senate Resolution 576: a conqratulatory resolution that we need right away.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) A11 right. Senator Severns has moved to suspend the rules for the immediate consideration and adoption of Senate Resolution 576. A1l in favor, indicate by saying Aye. Opposed, Nay. The Ayes have The rules are suspended. Senator Severns now moves the adoption of Senate Resolution 576. All those in favor, indicate by sayinq Aye. Opposed, Nay. The Ayes have it. Eenate Resolution 576 is adopted. Further business to eome I'm 186  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLX REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 50th Legislative Day June 25, 1991 sorry. Resolutions.

Senate Resolution 589 offered by Senator Topinka. And Senate Resolution 590 offered by President Roek and all Members. They 're both congratulatory.

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Consent Calendar. Purther business to come before the Senate? Senator Vadalabene moves that the Senate stand adjourned till tomorrow mornin: at the hour of 9:30. Senate stands adjourned. 187  Rjy ?ORTI TIFLDAY STAT8 PF ILLINDIE 92/03/10 PAGEI GGt 8TYH GENERAL ASSEHMLY t1zt3z#9 SENATE OAILY TRANSCRIPTION 0F bE8ATE INDEX I JUNE 25. 1991 ! H8 B- 0121 RECALLED - 0t76 THIRD REAOING PAGE PAGE 139 28 i HB-0186 YHIRD READING ' PAGE 29 H5-0209 THIRD READING PAGE 30 HB-02## REEALLEO Hb-02:7 IABLED . PAGE PAGE 1#0 28 1 i H3-0293 TABLED PAGE 32 H3-0329 THIRD READING PAGE 33 HB-03#2 THIRD READING PAGE 37 H:-0,378 THIRD READING PAGE 38 HB-0#06 THIRD READING PAGE 39 HB-O#52 THIRD READING PAGE *2 HB-0#T8 THIRD READING PAGE G2 H:-0575 THIRO READING PAGE *4 HB-û5;ô THIRD READING PAGE 58 H8-0580 RECALLED PAGE 1#l HB-Q6t9 THIRD READING PAGE 56 H3-07O0 THIRD READING PAGE 58 83-084: SECGND READING PAGE l51 HB-08#T THIêD READING PAGE 59 Hö-0879 THIRD READING PAGE 59 H8-0883 RECALLFD PAGE 26 88-0897 THIRD REAOING ' PAGE . 60 H3-0927 THIRD REAOING PAGE Gt HB-t007 THIRD READING PAGE 65 H:-l171 THIRD READIN; PAGE 66 H8-1196 SECOND READING PAGE # H3-:203 THIRD READING PAGE 61 HB-t220 RECALLED PAGE 1#2 H:-:228 THfRD READING PAGE 72 8:-1297 RECALLED PAGE 13 H:-1352 RECALLEO PAGE 14 H3- 1#05 THIRD READING ' PAGE 13 H:-1##9 SECOND READING PAGE tl H:-t#70 THIRD READtNG PAGE 7# 8:-1499 THIRD READING PAGE 89 H3- 15l1 RECALLEO PAGE 27 HB-152# THIRD kEADING PAGE 91 HB-t53T THIRD READING PAGE 92 H8-.565 THIRO READING PAGE 92 H3-158* THIRD READING PAGE 96 HB- t58; SECOND READING PAGE 156 H8- :832 RECALLED PAGE 15 H3-:685 RECALLED PAGE t#3 9$- 1692 REEALLED PAG6 1#9 H3-1695 THIRO READtNG PAGE 97 88- 1696 RECALLED PAGE 15 Hô-1T33 REEALLED PAGE l50 H8-1838 SECOND REAOING PAGE lô0 H3-:355 THIRD READING PAGE 99 H:-1929 THIRD READING PAGE 99 H8- 1935 OISCUSSEO PAGE lT H8-2022 RECALLED PAGS 17 H3-2038 THIRD READING PAGE 101 H:-2O#2 THIRO READING PAGE tO2 H3-2125 RECALLED PAGE l51 HB-et&9 RECALLEO PAGE 20 H3-2222 THIRO REA9ING PAGE lO3 H3-2227 RECALLED PAGE 20 H3-2227 RECALLED PAGE 2: H:-2228 THIRD READING PAGE tD# H3-22#3 THIRD READING PAGE l12 H:-2295 RECALLED PAGE 152 H3-233* THIRD READING PAGE t13 I %  ,. .t aN ()R' rz I'IFLIMM GTATE OF ILLINGIS 92/03/:0 PAGE: c()2 87TH GENEZAE ASSEXôLY 11:13::9 SERAFE DAILY TRANSCRIPTION 0F bEBATE INDEX JUNE 25# 1991 88-2362 SECON: READING H8-236# THIRD ZEADING H8-2392 THIRD READING HB-2*1'7 THIRD READING Hd-2### THIRD READING H3-2#6# THIRD READING H8-2465 RECALLED H8-2489 THIRD READING H:-2:91 3EC0N0 READING H8-2524 THIRD READING H8-2530 THIRD READING H8-255T THIRD REAOING H8-2592 RECALLED 5R-0059 ADOPTED SR-0Q6# ADOPTED SR-0095 ADOPTED $R-0096 ADUPTED 5R-0099 ADOPTED SR-OL09 ADOPTED Sâ-020# ADOPTED 5R-0233 ADOPTED SR-O26& ADGPTEO SR-03T9 ADQPTED 5R-0388 ADOPTED SR-0#O1 ADOPTED SR-0403 ADOPKED SR-0#25 AOOPTEO SR-05## ABOPTEO 3R-:576 ADOPTED SR-Q582 RESDLUTION OFFERED SR-O5&3 RESGLUTION OFFERED SR-058# QESOLUTION OFFERED SR-Q585 RESOLUTION OFFERED SR-05B6 ADOPTED 5R-0586 RESULUTION OFFERED 5R-0587 RESOLUTION OFFERED 5R-0588 RESOLUTION OFFERED 5R-0589 RESOLUTION OFFERED SR-O590 RFSOLUTION OFFERED HJR-ODIQ ADOPTED SJR-OOOG ADOPTED SJR-000& ADOPT6D SJR-0020 ADOPTED SJR-0033 AOOPTED SJR-0036 ADOPTED SJR-O043 ADOPTED SJR-0046 ADOPTED 3JR-ûO#7 ADOPTED SJR-0G58 ADOPTED suBlEcr MATTER' SFNATE T0 ORDER - PRESIDENT RDCK PAGE t PRAYER - FATHER HUGH CASSIDY PAGE 1 JGURNALG - POSTPONED PAGF t MESSAGES FROH THE HQUSE P4GE 1 RECESS PAGE 90 SENATE RECONVENES PAGE 98 ADJDURNMENT PAGE l81 N