Illinois Senate Floor Debate — June 29, 1991

The hour of ten having arrived, the Senate Will please come to order. Will the Members be at their desksy and kill our guests in the gallery please rise. Our prayer this morninq by Pastor Bob Hanson, Greenview United Church, Greenview, Illinois. Reverend.

(Prayer by the Reverend Bob Hanson)

Thank youz Reverend. Reading of the Journal, Madam Secretary.

Senate Journal for Priday, June 2l, 1991.

Senator Hall.

Thank youz Mr. President. I move that the Journal just read by the Secretary be approved unless some Senator has additions or eorrections to offer.

You dve heard the motion as placed by Senator Hall. Any discussion? If not, al1 in favor, indicate by saying Aye. Al1 opposed. The Ayes have it. The motion carries, and it is so ordered. Senator Hall.

Mr. President, I move that reading and approval of the Journals of Monday, June 24th2 Tuesday, June 25th: Wednesday, June 26th: and Thursday, June 27th, in the year 1991, be postponed, pending arrival of the printed Journals.

You've heard the motion as placed by Senator Hall. Any discussion? If not, a1l in favor indicate by saying Aye . A1l opposed. The Ayes have it. %he motion carries, and it is so ordered. Messages from the House.  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 54th Legiskative Day June 29: 1991

A Message from the House by Mr. O'Brlen, Clerk. Mr. President - I am directed to inform the Senate that the House of Representatives has refused to recede from their amendments to a bill of the following title, to Wit: Senate Bill l0. I am further directed to inform the Senate that the House of Representatives requests a first committee of conferenee to eonsider the differences of the two Houses in regard to the amendments to the bill. Action taken by the House June 28z 1991. T have like Messages on: House Amendment No. 1 to Senate Bill 11; House Amendment No. l to Senate Bil1 86; House Amendment No. to Senate Bill 130: House Amendment No. to Senate Bill 1332 House Amendment No. l to Senate Bill 2647 House Amendment No. 1 to Senate Bill 539: House Amendment No. to Senate Bill 7032 House Amendments 1, 3 and 8 to Senate Bill 92.27 House Amendment No. l to Senate Bill 9727 House Amendment No. to Senate Bill 9787 House Amendment No. 2 to Senate Bill 1009) House -- House Amendment No. to Senate Bill 1016; And House Amendment No. to Senate Bill 1364 Actlon taken by the House, June 28, 1991. A Messaqe from the House by Mr. O 'Brien, Clerk. Mr. President I am directed to inform the Senate that the House of Representatives has refused to concur with the Senate in the adoption of their amendments to a bill of the following title: to wit: House B1l1 1431 with Senate Amendments and 2. 2  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENEM L ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 54th Leqislative Day June 29, 1991 I have a like Message on: House Bill 1982 With Senate M endment No . 1. Non-concurred in by the House, June 28, 1991. A Message from the House by Mr. O 'Brienp Clerk. Mr. President - I am directed to inform the Senate that the House of Representatives has concurred with the Senate in the passage of a bill of the following title: to Wit: Senate Bill 45 with House M endment No. 1. Passed by the House, as amended, June 28, 1991.

Secretary 's Desk. A11 right. The House has asked -- asked that we accede to their request for a conference colnmittee on Senate Bills 10, 11, 86z l30, 133, 264, 539# 703, 922, 972, 978, 1009, 1016 and 1364. Senator Demuzio moves that the Senate does accede to the request of the House. A11 in favor, indicate by saying Aye. A11 opposed. The Ayes have it. The motion carries, and the Senate does accede to the request of the House. Resolutions .

Senate Resolution 631 offered by Senator Dudycz. It is congratulatory.

Consent Calendar .

And Senate Resolution 632 offered by Senator Rea. It is substantive .

Executive. Coa ittee Reports.

Senator Kelly , Chairman of the Committee on Executive Appointments and Veterans' Affairs, to Which Was referred the Governor's Messages of April 30, 1991; May l3/ 1991; June 4, 1991; 3  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 54th Legislative Day June 29, 1991 and June 7, 1991, reported the same back with the recommendations that the Senate advise and consent to the following appointments.

Senator Kelly.

Mr. President, I move that the Senate resolve itself into Executive Session for the purpose of actin: on the Governor's appointments set forth ân his Messages of April 30th, May 13th, June 4th, June 7th, June 24th, June 26th and June 27th, 1991: the Secretary of State's Message of June 25th, 1991, and the Treasurer's Message of June 25the 1991.

You've heard the motion as placed by Senator Kelly. Discussion? If not, al1 in favor, indicate by sayin: Aye. A11 - - the Ayes have it. The motion carries, and the Senate is noW in Executive Session. Senator Kelly.

Thank you, Mr. President. With respect to the Governor's Message of April 30th, 1991, will read the salaried appointment to which the Senate Committee on Executive Appointments and Veterans' Affairs recommend that the Senate do advise and consent: To be a member of the State Board of Elections With a term expiring June 30, 1995: Lawrence Johnson of Champaign. Mr. President, havin: read the salarked appointment, I now seek leave to consider this appoinkment with a three-fifths vote of the elected members, as required for the confirmation, on one roll call, unless some Senator has an objection to this appoinkmenk. Will you put tbe queskion as required by our rules?

Youdve heard the request. Is leave granted? Leave is granted. Question is, does the Senate advise and consent to the 4  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 54th Legislative Day June 29, 1991 nominations just made. Those in favor, vote Aye. Opposed, vote Nay. And the votingls open. Have a11 voted who wish? Have all voted Who wish? Have a1l voted kho Wish? Have a11 voted who wish? Take the record. On that question, there are 54 Ayes, no Nays, none voting Present. A majority of the Senators elected, concurring by record vote, the Senate does advise and consent to the nominations just made. Senator Kelly.

Thank you, Mr. President. With respect of the Governor's Message of May 13, 1991, I will read the salaried appointments to which the Senate Committee on Executive Appointments & Veterans ' Affairs reeommends that the Senate do advise and consent: To be Assistant Director of the Department of Agriculture, for a term ending January l8, 1993: James Michael Baise of Jacksonville. To be *he Public Counsel, for a term ending May l5, 1996: Mary K. Nolan of Chicago. To be a member of the Court of Claims, for a term ending January 16, 1995: Norma Jann of Chicago. To be the Chairman of the Illinois Human Rights Commission, for a term ending January 16, 1995: Manuel Barbosa of Elgin. To be members of the Illinois Human Rights Commission, for terms ending January l6, 1995: Wallace Heil of Taylorville. Nancy Jefferson of Chicago. Jane Hayes Rader of Cobden. To be members of the Illinois Industrial Commission for terms ending January l6z 1995: Richard Gilgis of Downers Grove. John Hallock of Rockford. 5  STKTE OP ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 54th Leqislative Day June 29, 1991 Mr. Presidenty having read the salaried appointments, now seek leave to consider Ehese appointments on one roll call, unless some Senator has objection to these appointments. Mr. President: will you put the question as required by our rules?

Youtve heard the Gentleman's request. Is leave granted? Leave ls granted. Any discussion? If not, the question ks. does the Senate advise and consent to the nominations just made. Those in favor, vote Aye. Opposed, vote Nay. And the voting's open. Have all voted who wish? Have a1l voted Who Wish? Have a11 voted who wish? Take the record. On that question, there are 57 Ayes, no Nays, none voting Present. A majcrity of Senators elected, concurring by record vote, the Senate does advise and consent to the nominations just made. Senator Kelly.

Thank you, Mr. President. With respect to the Governor's Message of May l3, 1991, I Will read the unsalaried appointments to which the Senate Committee on Executive Appointments & Veterans' Affakrs recommended : that the Senate do advise and consent: To be a member of the Capital Development Board: for a term ending January 16, 1995: Gary Skoien of Palatine. Having read this unsalaried appointment, I noW seek leave to consider this appointment on one roll call, unless some Senator has objection to this appointment. Mr. President, will you put the question as required by our rules?

You've heard the Gentleman's request. Is leave granted? Leave is granted. Any discussion? If not, the question is, does the Senate advise and consent to the nominations just made. Those in favor will vote Aye. Opposedy vote Nay. And the voting's 6  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 54th Legislative Day June 29z 1991 open. Have all voted who wish? Have al1 voted who wish? Have all voted who Wish? Take the record. On that question, there are 55 Ayes, no Nays, none voting Present. A majority of the Senators elected concurring by record vote, the Senate does advise and consent to the nominations juse made. Senator Kelly.

Mr. Presidenk, with respect to the Governorîs Message of June 4, 1991, I will read the salaried appointments to which the Senate Committee on Executive Appointments & Veterans' Affairs recommend that the Senate do advise and consent: To be a member of the Civil Service Commission for a term ending March 1, 1997: Harry Conlon of Oak Lawn. To be a member of the Court of Claims, for a term ending January 20, 1997: Randall Patchett of Marion. To be a member of the Illinois Industrial Commission, for a term endinq January 16y 1995: âinzey Jones of Chicago. To be members of the Property Tax Appeal Board, for a term ending January 20, 1997: Michael Brown of Chrystal Lake And Homer Henke of Moro. To be the Public Administrator of Cook County, for a term endinq January 6, 1993 -- I'm sorry -- December 6, 1993: Louis Apostol of Glenview. Mr. President, having read the salaried appointments, I now seek leave to consider these appointments on one roll call, unless some Senator has objection to these appointments. And, Mr. President, will you put the question as required by our rules?

You've heard the Gentleman's request. Is leave granted? 7  1 STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSTON SENATE TRANSCRIPT 54th Legislative Day June 29, 1991 Leave is granted. Any discussion? If not, the question is# does the Senate advise and consent to the nominations just made. Those in favor will vote Aye. Opposed, vote Nay. And the voting's open. All voted who wish? Have al1 voted Who wish? Have a1l voted who wish? Take the record. On that question, there are 55 Ayes: no Nays, none votinq Present. The Senate -- a majority of the Senators eleetedz concurring by record vote, the Senate does advise and consent to the nominations just made. Senator Kelly.

Thank you, Mr. President. With respect to the Governor's Message of June 4th, 1991, I will read the unsalaried appolntments to which the Senate Committee on Executive Appointments and Veterans' Affairs recommends that the Senate do advise and consent: To be members of the State Board of Education, with terms ending January 20, 1997: Mary Ann Shirley MacLean of Mettaka Marcene Mitchell of Chicaqo Herbert Roach, Jr. of O 'Fallon And Michael Skarr of Naperville. To be members of the Board of Higher Education, for a term ending January 1997: Bruce Chelberg of Arlington Heights Edwin Moore of Lincolnshire And Jane Williamson of Kenilworth. Mr. Presidentg having read the unsalaried appointments, I now seek leave to consider these appointments on one roll eall, unless some Senator has objection to these appointments. And, Mr. President, will you put the question as required by our rules?

You've heard the Gentleman's request. Is leave granted? Leave is granted. Any discussion? not, the question is, does 8  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 54th Legislative Day June 29, 1991 the Senate advise and consent to the nominations just made. Those in favor will vote Aye. Opposed, voee Nay. And ehe voking is open. Have a11 voted Who wish? Have a1l voted who wish? Have a11 voted who wish? Take the record. Qn that question, there are 56 Ayes, no Nays, none voting Present. A majo/ity of the Senators elected, concurring by record vote, the Senate does advise and consent to the nominations just made. Senator Kelly -- I'm sorry - - Senator Geo-Karls, for what purpose do you arise?

Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate, I was at the -- by Senator MacDonald's desk, and I couldn't get back fast enough. I Wanted to be recorded as Ayer if I were at my desk, on the prior roll call, please.

The record %i11 so reflect. Senator Kelly.

Thank you, Mr. President. With respect to the Governor's Message of June 7, 1991, I will read the salaried appointments to which the Senate Committee on Executive Appointments and Veteransl Affairs recommend that the Senate do advise and consent: To be a member of the Illinois State Toll Highway Authority, for a term ending May 1993: William Dugan -- Dugan of Countryside. To be members of the Illinois State Toll Hiqhway Authority, for a term ending May 1, 1995: Cal covert of Rockford Tom Hanley of Park Ridge. To be the Chairman of the Illinois State Toll Highway Authority, for a term ending May 1, 1995: John Garrow of Wheaton. Having read the Salaried appointments, I noW seek leave to consider these appointments on one roll call: unless some Senator 9  STATE OP ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 54th Legislative Day June 29, 1991 has an objection to these appointments. Mr. President, Will you put the question as required by our rules?

You've heard the Gentleman's request. Is leave granted? Is there any discussion? If notz the question is, does the Senate advise and consent to the nominations just made. Those in Cavor will vote Aye. Opposed, vote Nay. The voting 's open. A11 voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have al1 voted Who wish? Take the record. On that question, there are 56 Ayesz no Nays, none voting Present. The majority of the Senators elected, concurring by record vote, the Senate does advise and consent to the nominations just made. Senator Kelly.

Thank you, Mr. President. With respect to the Governor's Messaqe of June 7th# 1991, I Will read the unsalaried appointments to which the Senate Committee on Executive Appointments and Veterans' Affairs recommend that the Senate do advise and consent: To be a member of the State Board of Education for a term ending January 20, 1997: Jackie Brekenridge of Chicago. To be members of the Board of Governors at State Colleges and Universities, for terms ending January 20, 1997: Daniel Goodwin of Oakbrook Mack Hollowell of Charleston And Wilma Sutton of Chicago. To be members of the Southern Illinois University Board of Trustees, for terms ending January 20, 1997: John Brewster of Herrin And George Wilkins, Jr. of Edwardsville. Mr. President, having read the unsalaried appointments, I now seek leave to consider these appointments on one roll call, unless some Senator has objection to these appointments. Mr. President, 10  STATE GF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 54th Legkslative Day June 29, 1991 will you put the question as required by our rules?

You've heard the Gentleman's request. Is leave granted? Leave is granted. Any discussion? If not, the questàon isy does the Senate advise and consent to the nominations just made. Those in favor will vote Aye. Opposed, vote Nay. And the voting's open. Have al1 voted who wish? Have all voted Who wish? Have a11 voted Who Wish? Take the record. On that questionz there are 56 Ayes, no Nays, none voting Present. A majority of the Senators elected, concurring by record votey the Senate does advise and consent to the nominations just made. Senator Kelly.

We're getting there: but we got a couple more to go. Mr. President, with respect to the Governor's Message of June 24th, 1991, will read the unsalaried appointments to which the Senate Committee on Executkve Appointments and Veteransl Affairs recommends that the Senate do advise and consent: To be a member of the Bi-state Development Authority, for a eerm ending January l5, 1996: William Reheis of Columbia. To be members of the Central Midwest Interstate Low-Level Radioactive Waste Commissionz for a term ending January l8, 1993: Clark Bullard of Urbana And Tom Ortciger of Flossmoor. To be a member of the State Board of Education, for a term ending January 20, 1993: Coni Batlle of Chicago. To be a member of the Illinois Development Finance Authority, for a term ending January 18th, 1993: Ken Solomon of Morton Grove. To be a member of the Lottery Control Board, for a term ending July 1, 1994: 11  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMSLV REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 54th Legislative Day June 29: 1991 James Althoff of Crystal Lake. To be a member of the Worker's Compensation Advisory Councily for a term ending February 1, 1994: Greg Baise of Springfield. Mr. President, having read the unsalaried appointments, I now seek leave to consider these appointments on one roll call, unless some Senator has objection to these appointnenes. And, Mr. President, kill you put the question as required by our rules?

You've heard the Gentleman's request. Is leave granted? Any discussion? If not, the question is, does the Senake advise and consent ta the nominations just made. Those in favor will vote Aye. Opposed: vote Nay. And the voting is open. Have a11 voted who wish? Have al1 voted Who wish? Have al1 voted who wish? Take the record. On that question: there are 57 Ayes, no Nayse none voting Present. A majority of Ehe Senator electede concurring by record vote, the Senate does advise and consent to the nominations just made. Senator Kelly.

Thank you, Mr President. With respect to the Secretary of State's Message of June 25, 1991, I will read the salaried appointment to which the Senate Committee on Executive Appointments and Veterans' Affairs recommend that the Senate do advise and eonsent: To be Commissioner of the Merit Commission for the Office of Secretary of State, for a term ending January 30th, 1997 -- I'm sorry -- June 30th, 1997. It's good to have capable staff. James L. Wrigbt of Chicago . Mr. Presidenty havln: read this salaried appointment, now seek leave to consider this appointment on one roll call: unless some Senator has an objection. And, Mr. President, will you put the question as required by our rules? 12  STATC 0F ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 54th Legislative Day June 29, 1991

You've heard the Gentleman's request. Is leave granted? Discussion? If not, the question is, does the Senate advise and consent to the nomination just made. Those in favor, vote Aye. Opposed, vote Nay. And the voting is open. Have al1 voted who wish? Have all voted Who wish? Have a11 voted who wish? Take the record. On that question, there are 58 Ayes, no Nays, none voting Present. A majority of the Senators elected, concurring by record vote, the Senate does advise and consent to the nominations just made. Senakor Eelly.

Mr. -- Thank you, Mr. President. With respect to the Treasurer's Message of June 25, 1991, I will read the unsalaried appointments to which the Senate Committee on Executive Appointments an; Veterans' Affairs recommend that the Senate do advise and consent: To be members of the Treasurer's Personnel Review Board, for terms ending June 30, 1997: J. Timothy Eaton of Wilmette And Priscilla M. McEnroe of Winnetka. And, Mr. President, having read the unsalaried appointments, now seek leave to consider these appolntments on one roll call, unless some Senator has objeetion to these appointments. And, Mr. President, will you put the question as required by our rules?

You've heard the Gentleman's request. Is leave granted? ls ehere any discussion? If note tbe question is' does the Senate advise and consent to khe nominations just made. Those in favor, vote Aye. Opposed , vote Nay. And the voting's open. Have a1l voted who wish? Have al1 vote Who Wish? Have all voted who wish? Take the record. On that question, there are 58 Ayes, no Nays, none voting Present. A majorkty of the Senators elected, 13  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 54th Legislative Day June 29, 1991 concurrin: by record vote, the Senate does advise and consent to the nominations just made. Senator Kelly.

Thank you: Mr. President. With respect to the Governor's Message of June 26, 1991, I will read the salaried appoàntments to which the Senate Committee on Executive Appointments and Veterans' Kffakrs recommends that the Senate do advkse and conuentt To be the Deputy Commissioner of Banks and Trust Companies, for a term ending February 1993: Joanne Mitchell of Chicago. To be the Director of the Department of Financial Institutions, for a term ending January l8z 1993: Gilbert Ruiz of McHenry. To be the Assistant Director fo the Department of Financial Institutions, for a term ending January l8# 1993: Halina Bielowicz of Glenview. Mr. President, having read the salaried appointments, I noW seek leave to eonsider these appointments on one roll call, unless some Senator has objection to these appointments. And,.Mr. President, will you put the question as required by our rules?

You 've heard the Gentlemanss request. Is leave granted? Any discussion? If not, the question is, does the Senate advise and consent to the nominations just made. Those in favor, vote Aye. Opposed, vote Nay. And the votingfs open. All voted who wish? Have a11 voted who wish? Have a1l voted Who wlsh? Take the record. On that question, there are 58 Ayes, no Nays, none voting Present. A majority of the Senators elected, concurring by record vote, the Senate does advise and consent to the nominations lust made. Senator Xelly.

Thank youe Mr. President. And finally, with respect to the 14  STATE OP ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 54th Legkslatkve Day June 29, 1991 Governor's Message of June 27: 1991, I will read the unsalaried appointment to which the Senate Committee on Executive Appolntments and Veterans' Affairs recommend that the Senate do advise and consenk: To be a member of the Advisory Board to the Department of Conservatlon, for a term ending January 20# 1997: Arthur Janura of Palatine. Mr. President, having read the unsalaried appointment, I noW seek leave to consider this appointment on one roll call, unless some Senator has an objection. And, Mr. President, will you put *he queselon as required by our rules?

Tbat was a miscue. A11 right. Xou've heard the Gentleman's request. Is leave granted? Leave is granted. Discussion? If not, the question is, does the Senate advise and consent to the nomination just made. Those in favor, vote Aye. Opposed, vote Nay. And the voking ls open. Have all voted Who kish? All voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Take the record. 0n that question, there are- 57 .Ayesy . no Nays, none voting Present. A majority of the Senators elected, concurring by record vote: the Senate does advise and consent to the nominations just made. Senator Kelly.

Mr. Presidentz I now move that the Senate arise from Executive Session.

You've heard the Gentleman's motion- to arise from Executive Session. A1l in favorz indicate by saying Aye. A1l opposed. The Ayes have it. The motion carriesz and the Senate does now arise. Ladies and Gentlemen, we have a special guest. If could have your attention. And the Chair will yield to Senator Sam Vadalabene. 15  STATE 0P ILLINQIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLX REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 54th Legislative Day June 29, 1991 SENATOR VADALABENE: I Could I have some quiet, please. We have some special guests here this morning, and I'm honored to present to you Miss Launa Arrington from East Alton, Illinois -- uh-huh -- the Miss Illinois Junior National Teenage Champion, who will represent us in Illinois in Florida. Launa, please. Cive her a nice Welcome.

(Remarks by Launa Arrington)

Along with Launa is her mother, her grandmother and her brother. Let's give them a Welcome. Dh-huh.

Al1 right. Again, in an effort to move the paper transmittal between the Housesz wedll start at Page 16 on the Calendar. Page 16. On the Order of Secretary's Desk, Non-concurrence. The motion under this Order will be to refuse to recede and request a conference committee or to recede from Senate Amendments, in which ease that's final action. 0n the Order of Secretary 's Desk, Non-concurrence, House Bill 70: Madam Secretary.

Senate Amendments l and 2 to House Bill 70.

Senator Joyee.

Thank youe Mr. President. I would refuse to recede and ask that a conference committee be appointed.

Senator Joyce moves khat the Senate refuse to recede from the adoptions of Senate Amendment l and 2 to House Bill 70 and that a conference committeebeappoinked. Al1 in favor, indieate by j saying Aye. All opposed. The Ayes have it. The motion carries, and the Secretary shall so inform tbe House. Senator Rigney, for 16  1 STATE OP ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 54th Legislative Day June 29# 1991 what purpose do you arisez sir?

Mr. President, I'd like to make an introduction - an old friend that has come back to visit With us. We have here at my desk, Tom McMaster, a former Member of the Illinois House.

Tomz nice to see you again. Welcome.

Top of Page l7. Senator Joyce. On the Order Lf Secretary's Desk, Non-concurrence. House Bill 114, Madam Secretary.

Senate Amendment No. l to House Bill 114.

Senator Joyce.

Thank you, Mr. President. I would refuse to recede from Senate Amendment No. l and ask that a conference committee be appointed .

The Gentleman has moved that the Senate refuse to recede from the adoption of Senate Amendment No. l to House Bill 1l4 and that a conference committee be appointed. All in favor, indicate by saying Aye. A11 opposed. The Ayes have it. The motion earries, and the Secretary shall so inform the House. 703. Senator DeAngelis. Madam Secretary, please.

Senate Amendments 1 and 2 to House Bill 703.

Senator DeAngelis. SENATOR DeANGELIS: l ! I move -- I move that the Senate recede from Senate Amendments l and 2 on House Bill 703. 17  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGOLAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 54th Legislative Day June 29, 1991

All right. The Gentleman has moved ko recede from Senate Amendments l and 2. This is final action, Ladies and Gentlemen. Is there any discussion? Any discussion? If not, the question is: shall the Senate recede from Amendments l and 2 to House Bilk 703. Those in favor will vote Aye. Opposed, vote Nay. And the voting is open. Have a11 voted who wish? Have a1l voted who wish? Have al1 voted Who wish? Take the record. 0n that question, there are 56 Ayes, no Nays, none voting Present. The Senate does reeede from Amendments l and 2 to House Bill 703. And the bill, having received the required constitutional majority, is declared passed. 1123. Senator Davidson. 1171. Senator Cullerton. Madam Secretary, please.

Senate Amendment No. 1 to House Bill 1171.

Senator Cullerton.

Thank you, Mr. President and Members of the Senate. I Would move to refuse Eo recede from Senate Amendment No. l to House Bi11 1171 and ask that a conference committee be appointed.

The Gentleman has moved that the Senate refuse to recede from the adoption of Senate Amendment No. l to House Bill 1171 and that a conference committee be appointed. All in favor, indicate by saying Aye. All opposed. The Ayes have it. The mokion carries, and the Secretary shall so inform the House. 1183, Madam Secretary, please.

Senate Amendment No. l to House Bill 1183.

Senator Luft. I 18  u..'e 1 STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 54th Legislative Day June 29, 1991

Thank you, Mr. President. I Would move that the Senate refuse to recede from Senate Amendment No. to House Bill 1183 and a conference committee be set.

The Gentleman has moved that the Senate refuse to recede from the adoption of Senate Amendment No. 1 to House Bill 1183 and that a conference committee be appointed. A1l in favor: indicate by saying Aye. Al1 opposed. The Ayes have it. The motion carries, and the Secretary shall so inform the House. 1528. Senator Welch. Madam Secretary, please.

Senate Amendment No. l to House Bill 1528.

Senator Welch.

Mr. President, would move that the Senate non-concur in Amendment No. 1.

A11 right. The Gentleman has moved that the Senate refuse to recede from Senate Amendment No. 1 to House Bill 1528 and that a conference committee be appointed. A1l in favor: indicate by saying Aye. A1l opposed. The Ayes have it. The motion carries, and the Secretary shall so inform the House. 1878. Senator Severns. 1191. Senator Luft. 1911. Senator Luft. No. 1955. Senator Watson. 2147. Senator Joyce. 2491. Senator Jerome Joyce. The Order of Secretary 's Desk, Non-concurrence, middle of Page House Bill 1878, Madam Secretary.

Senate Amendment No. 1 to House Bill 1878.

Senator Severns. 19  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 54th Legislative Day June 29, 1991

Thank you, Mr. President, Members of khe Senate. I move that we refuse to recede from Amendment No. l and send this bill to conference.

K1l right. The Lady has moved the Senate refuse to recede from the adoption of Senate Amendment No. to House Bill 1878 and that a conference committee be appointed. All in favor, indicate by saying Aye. A1l opposed. The Ayes have it. The motion carries. and the Secretary shall so knform the HouBe. Bottom of Page l7. House Bill 2491, Madam Secretary.

Senate Amendment No. 1 to House Bill 2491.

Senator Joyce.

Thank you, Mr. President. I would move to refuse to recede from Senate Amendment No. and ask that a conference committee be appointed.

A1l right. The Gentleman has -- has moved that the Senate refuse to recede from the adoption of Senate Amendment No. l to House Bill 2491 and that a conference committee be appointed. Al1 ën favor, tndicate by saying Aye. K11 opposed. The Ayes have The motion carries, and the Secretary shall so inform the House. fenaEor WaEson's baek on the Floor. House Bil1 1955, Madam secretary.

Senate Amendment No. l to House Bill 1955 .

Senator Watson.

20  STATE 0F ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 54th Legislative Day June 29, 1991 Yes. Thank you. I would ask that we refuse to recede from Senate Amendment No. 1 to House Bill 1955 and ask for a conference committee. PRESIDENT ROCKI The Gentleman has moved that the Senate refuse to recede from the adoption of Senate Amendment No. 1 to House Bill 1955 and that a conference committee be appointed. All in favor, indicate by saying Aye. Opposedz Nay. The Ayes have it. The motion carries. Secretary shall so inform the House. Ladies and Gentlemen, we 'll move then to Page 10 on the Calendar. Page 10 on the Calendar. Wepll go through the Order of Secretary 's Desk, Concurrence. The Chair has been informed that the appropriations folks will be meeting at noon, so we Will leave those bills in their present posture for the moment. We'1l go through that Order, and then there's a Supplemental Calendar, and then we'll take a recess.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senate Bill 131. Senator Woodyard. A11 right. Bottom of Page l0, Secretary's Desk, Concurrence is Senate Bill 131, Madam Secretary.

House Amendment No. 1 to Senate Bil1 131.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Woodyard.

Thank you, Mr. President, Members of the Senate. This bill, as it left the Senatez Senate Bil1 131, was the balloon dart qame , which is a rather a noxious bill. When it came back from the House, carries an immediate effective date. And that's a11 the bill does. And I would move for concurrence.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Discussion? If not, the question is, shall the Senate concur with House Amendment to Senate Bill 131. Those in favor will 21  1 STATE 0F ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 54th Legislative Day June 29, 1991 vote Aye. Those opposed, Nay. The voting is open. Have a1l j voted Who Wish? Have al1 voted who Wish? Have a1l voted who l i wish? Take the record. On that question, the Ayes are 44 , the Nays are 7, none voting Present. The Senate does concur with House Amendment l to Senate Bill 131. And the bill, having received the required constitutional majority, is declared passed. Page 1l. Senate Bill 151, Madam Secretary.

House Amendment No. l to Senate Bill 151.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Jacobs.

Move we non-concur in Senate Bill 151.

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Al1 right. Senator Jacobs moves that the -- to -- moves to non-concur With House Amendment 1 to Senate Bill 151. A11 in favor, indicate by saying Aye. Opposed, Nay. The Ayes have it. Motion carries. Secretary shall so inform the House. Senate Bill l55 -- 158. Senator Jones. On the Order of -- Senate Bill 158: Madam Secretary.

House Amendments 1 and 2 to Senate Bill 158.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Jones.

Yeah. Thank you, Mr. President: Members of -- of the Senate. I'd like to divide the question on the amendments, and I'd like to move to concur in House Amendment No. 1. House Amendment No. l is the State Board's request: and what it does is it moves up the date from which a plan must be filed for the expenditure of funds. And I move that We concur in House Amendment No. 1 to Senate Bill I 158. ! 1 22  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 54th Legislative Day June 29, 1991

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Is there discussion? If not, the question is shall the Senate concur with House Amendment l to Senate Bill 158. Those in favor will vote Aye. Those opposed, Nay. The voting is open. Have a1l voted who wish? Have a1l voted Who wish? Have all voted who wksh? Take the record. On that question, the -- the -- on that question, the Ayes are 48, the Nays are 3, voting Present. Senator Jones.

Yeah. Thank you, Mr. President. move thak the Senate non-concur in House Amendment No. 2.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATO; DEMUZIO) Senator Jones moves that to non-concur with House Amendmene to Senate Bill 158. A11 in favor of the motion Will indicate by saying Aye. Opposed, Nay. The Ayes have it. The motion carries. Secretary shall so inform the House. 267. Senator Schuneman. Madam Secretary, Senate Bill 267, please.

House Amendments 1, 2 and 3 to Senate Bë11 267.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Schuneman.

Thank you, Mr. President. This is *he Department of Insurance proposal that would lead to continued certification of the Illinois Department of Insurance by the NAIC certifieation system. *hink al1 Ehe controversial issues in this bill have been resolved, with the possible exception of the assessment fee . And there have been some talks with Golden Rule Insurance Company; and, while they are not in support of the bill, I think it's fair to say that the majority of insurance companies doin: business in this State are now in support. And I would ask for concurrence at this time. Be happy to respond to any questions. 23  STATE OP ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 54th Legislative Day June 29, 1991

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Discussion? Excuse me. Discussion? Senator Berman.

Will the sponsor yield?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Sponsor indicates he will yield. Senator Berman.

In the past few days, Senator Schuneman, you and I and others have had some diseussions regarding lanquage that would make the fund subject to appropriations by the General Assembly, Which under this bill, as it stands now, kt would not be. Are you adopting language - and think the bill is Senate Bill 1310 - that will incorporate that revision?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Schuneman.

Well, just to correct Ehe statement, Senator.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Pardon me: Senator Schuneman. Ladies and Gentlemen, can we take the conferences off the Floor, please? Senator Schuneman. SENATOR SCHDNEMANI Just to correct a statement. People persist in sayin: that the funds that Would be accumulated here are not subject to appropriation, and that's not true. Every dollar that goes into this fund is subject to appropriation by the General Assembly and cannot be spen: without that appropriation. The language Ehat you have been working on with the Department Will be amended into a another bill going to conference committee, which is Senate Bill - - 1310. So that -- we are in agreement thaE that language will be adopted. It is not in this bill, but it Will be in a followin: bill. PRESIDING OFFICER) (SENATOR DEMUZIO) 24  STATE OP ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 54th Legislative Day June 29, 1991 Senator Berman.

A1l right. With that understandingz Mr. President, I stand in support of this bill. There -- as the principal sponsor has indicated, there is still some differences of opinion in -- with some of the companies that -- that do business in Illinois, but I think that We can address their concerns, hopefullyr at some later date. The items that are kn this bkll are important from the point of view of monitoring the fiscal health of the insuranee industry, and I stand in support.

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) All right. Further discussion? Senator Jones.

Yes. Thank you, Mr. President and -- there have been many discussions on this billy because it is very complex and has a larger amendment. As I indicated before, I really wanted the committee to really look into this, and I know theydre -- many persons have asreed with the concept, but I just Wanted to add far the record -- answer -- ask.the.sponsor a couple of questions so we can get it into the record. Senator Schuneman, can you tell us how much money, during the first year, would be diverted from - approximately how much would be diverted from General Revenue as a result of thls bill if it is enacted?

PRESIDING OPPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Schuneman.

The first year is about four million dollars, Senator. That and you understand that the money that would not flow into the General Revenue Fund is equal to the amount of money that will not be requested from the General Revenue Fund. So it 's intended to be revenue-neutral as far as the General Revenue Fund is concerned. 25  STATC OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRKNSCRIPT 54th Legislative Day June 29# 1991

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMOZIO) Senator Jones.

Okay. And, for the recordz again, we indicated that after talking with you and members from the Department as it relate to the ceiling and the cap about the purported regressiveness that may be in the bill -- the Director of Legislative Affairs, and we discussed this: and he indicated that system Wide, he would open up and discuss this if they found that the way this structure is it would be regressive to small companies. Is that still a viable situation?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Schuneman.

Senator, Ifm not sure I understood al1 your question. But as I understood it, What you were inquiring about was whether the Department would be willin: ko discuss with the industry, the fairness and equity of the fees that are bein: assessed. Was that the question? Yes. Okay. And the answer to that is yes. The Director has agreed that if the industry as a whole is dissatisfied with these this fee structure, that certainly that is a process that -- that he would be willing to institute so that there could be discussion of that issue. Nok, there will always probably be some company out there that may not like what we dve done, just like there are some taxpayers that don't always like every tax we pass. But khe Director has aqreed to basically wha: you dre -- you Were asking about.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) All right. Senator Jones.

Well, in response to that. I -- what it was is that if -- if those companies ... I know that those who have a large volume of 26  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT ; 54th Legislative Day June 29, 1991 i premium should not necessarily be in agreement with those who have a small volume of premium . I thought the discussion that we had for the record is that the Director will sit down with the smaller companies system wide and try to see if there's -- if there is a problem where it has an adverse impact, not to 1et the larger volume companies decide what's for the besk. And that -- that was the understanding that I had. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) A1l right. Senator Schuneman. SENATOR SCHUNEMAN: Well, I think that's absolutely a reasonable request. And I think, as you know, most small companies are going to pay less under this system than they have in the past. But there may be some that are unhappy with it, and -- and they have the right to come forward. PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) A1l right. Further discussion? Senator Hall. Representative Stepan. SENATOR HALL: ' Will -- Will -- pardon me just a minute. Will the sponsor yield for a question? PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Indicates he Will yield. Senator Hall. SENATOR HALL: Senator, would you tell us the names of the companies thak are -- would be involved? PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Schuneman. SENATOR SCHUNEMAN : Senator, there are over four hundred companies that would be involved here. And I think that it's fair to say that almost a1l - of them have -- have agreed to thts additional taxz so that they 27  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 54th Legislative Day June 29, 1991 can make sure that the Department is able to do the financial j examination of al1 insurance companies, including the ones that l are in trouble, that -- that should be done. .

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMDZIO) Senator -- Senator Hall.

Well, Would you please tell me, what's Golden Rule's position on this?

PRESIDING OFFICZR: (SENATOR DEMDZIO) Senator Hall. I'm sorry. Senator Schuneman.

Well, as I can best describe Golden Rule's position, they have told me in conversations with me, that they donft object to the two-thousand-dollar additional fee that they would have to pay here, but there are two things that they object to; one is they object to the fact that whatever money might be in this fund will not go directly into the General Revenue Fund. They object to khat. They also object ko the idea that some groups of companies - Allstate is .a -- or.State Farm is a good example - Where they ' have a number of companies, that -- a -- a group will not be required to pay more than a hundred thousand dollars in fees. But those are the tWo objections, as I understand them, that Golden Rule has raised to this issue. ,

PRESIDINC OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Purther discussion? Senator Schuneman may close.

I think we've had a 1o* of debate on Ehise Mr. President. I simply ask for a favorable roll call.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Question is, shall khe Senate concur With House Amendments 1, 2 and 3 -- Senator Schuneman -- concur with House Amendments L# 2 and 3 to Senate Bill 267. Those in favor will vote Aye. Those 28  STATE 0F ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 54th Legislative Day June 29: 1991 opposed, Nay. The voting is open. Have a11 voted Who Wish? Have a11 voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Take the record. On that question, the Ayes are 47, the Nays are 5, l voting Present. The Senate does concur With House Amendments 1, 2 and 3 to Senate Bill 267. And the bill, having received the required constitutional majority: is declared passed. Page If you'll all turn to Page 15 on your Calendar. Senate Bill 407. Senator Jones. Senator Jones. I'm trying my best to rescue you . 407. Senate Bill 407, Mr. Secretary.

ACTTNG SECRETARY: (MR. HARRY) House Amendment No. l to Senate Bill 407.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Jones.

Yeah. Thank you, Mr. President. House Amendment No. l is merely a technical cleanup amendment that was put on in the House, and I -- I move that the Senate concur in House Amendment No. 1.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Discussion? Questlon .is,.shall the Senate coneur with House Amendment l to Senate Bill 407. Those in favor will vote Aye. ehose opposed, Nay. The voting is open. Have a1l voted Who Wish? Have all voted Who kish? Have al1 voted who Wish? Take the record. On that question, the Ayes are 51, the Nays are none, none voting Present. The Senate does concur with House Amendment l to Senate Bill 407. And the bill, having received *he required constitutional majority, is declared passed. 497. Luft. SenaEe Bill 4-9-7. 6-2-9. Senator Marovitz. 658. Senate Bill 658. Mr. Secretary, read the bill.

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HAQRY) House Amendment No. l to Senate Bill 658.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Marovitz. 29  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 54th Legislative Day June 29: 1991

Thank you thank you very much, Mr. President, Members af the Senate. Amendment No. l -- I -- well, r would move that khe Senate concur with House Amendment No. to Senate Bill 658. Amendment No. 1 clarifies that the estate of a parent may be obligated to pay child support for educational expenses and applies to standards -- and applies to standards for custody, joint custody, or visitation set forth in the marriage and dissolution of marriaqe action brought onto the Parentaqe Act. Basically, that's -- that's a11 it does.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Discussion? Senator Fawell.

Thank you. Will the sponsor yield for a question?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Indicates he will yield. Senator Fawell.

Senator Marovitz, is this the bill that had the that that a parent could -- someone could claim to have someone as a parent from now until eternity? That was -- that lanquage Was taken out, or Was that in another bill?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Marovitz.

That is a different bill. I have agreed With you in opposing that position. I have made sure that EhaE's been taken ou* of the bill. I don't think that's the right Way to go either. Thatfs very disruptive of families, but that wasn't in this bkll anyway.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) A1l right. Further discussion? Question is, shall the Senate concur with House Amendment l to Senate Bill 658. Those in favor Will vote Aye. Those opposed, Nay. The voting is open. Have a11 30  STATE 0F ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 54th Legislative Day June 29, 1991 voted who wish? Have a11 voted who wish? Have a11 voted who I Wish? Take the record. On that question, the Ayes are 56, the Nays are none, none voting Present. The Senate does concur With House Amendment l to Senate Bill 658. And the bill, havinq received the required constitutional majority, is declared passed. Senate Bill 659. Marovitz. Mr. Secretary, Senate Bill 659.

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HAQRY) House Amendments 1 and 2 to Senate Bill 659.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Marovitz. Take your time.

So, did you have a good time last night? I would move that the Senate not concur with House Amendments No. 1 and 2 to Senate Bill 659.

PRESIDING OPPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Marovitz moves that the Senate ... '

Conference.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) - - moves to non-concur with House Amendments l and 2 to Senate Bill 659. A11 in favor will indicate by saying Aye. Opposed, Nay . The Ayes have it. Motion carries, and the Secretary shall so inform the House. Senate Bill 7-1-7. Senator Marovitz. Did you have a good time last night? Senate Bill 7-1-7. Senator Marovitz. Mr. Secretary, read the bill.

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HARRY) House Amendment No. 1 to Senate Bill 717.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Marovitz.

I will move that the Senate concur With House Amendment No. 1 to Senate Bi11 717. It basically amends the Principal and Income 1 31  STATE 0P ILLINOIS n 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY , REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 54th Legislative Day June 29, 1991 Act to address technical difficultiesy and that's al1 it does. The Bar Association supports this, and I would move that We Concur . PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Is there a discussion? If not, the question is shall the Senate concur with House Amendment l to Senate Bill 717. Those in favor will vote Aye. Those opposed, Nay. The voting is open. Have a11 voted who wish? Have a1l voted who wish? Have a1l voted who wish? Have all voted Who wish? Take the record. On that question, the Ayes are 56, the Nays are none, none voting Present. The Senate does concur With House Amendment l to Senate Bill 717. And the bill, having received the required constitutional majority, is declared passed. Senator DeAngelis, for what purpose do you arise? SENATOR DeANGELIS: Mr. President, I apologize, but I have to make a motion to reconsider the vote by which We receded from ... PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Why don't you just file it here, and welll get to it when we get down the rest of the Calendar. A11 right. Take it out of the * record. Senate Bill 750. Senator Joyce. Senate Bill 750, Mr. Secretary. ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HARRY) House Amendment No. 1 to Senate Bill 750. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) senator Joyce. SENATOR J .J. JOYCE: Thank you: Mr. President. I would non-concur With House Amendment No. 1. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) A1l right. Senator Joyce moves that the Senate -- moves to non-concur with House Amendment l to Senate Bill 750. Those in 32 1 .  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 54th Legislative Day June 29, 1991 favor will indlcate by saying Aye. Opposed, Nay. The Ayes have it. The motion carries, and the Secretary shall so lnform the House. 838. Senator Lechowicz. 843. 9-0-8. Bottom of Page 15 is Senate Bill 908, Mr. Secretary.

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HANRY) House Amendment No. to Senate Bill 9-0-8.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator -- Senator Lechowicz.

Thank you: Mr. President, Ladkes and Gentlemen of the Senate. I move that the Senate do not concur in House Amendment No . 1 and ask for a conference committee to be appointed.

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Lechowicz moves to non-concur with House Amendment 1 to Senate Bil1 908. Discussion? Those in favor will indicate by saying Aye. Opposed, Nay. The Ayes have it. Motion carries, and the Secretary shall so inform the House. l6. 961. Senator Joyce. Mr. Secretary, Senate Bill 961.

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HAKRY) House Amendment No. to Senate Bill 961.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Joyce.

Thank you, Mr. President, I would move eo non-concur with House Amendment No. 1.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Joyce moves to non-concur with House Amendment l to Senake Bill 961. Those in favor will indicate by saying Aye. Opposed, Nay. The Ayes have it. Motion carries. Secretary shall so inform the House. Senate Bil1 989. Senator Joyce. Senator Joyce. 989. 1023. Senator Carroll. Senate Bill 1023y Mr. Secretary. 33  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 54th Le:islative Day June 29: 1991

ACTINC SECRETARY: (MR. HARRY) House Amendment No. to Senate Bill 1023.

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Carroll.

Thank you, Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. I move that the Senate do concur with House Amendment No. to Senate Bill 1023. This is the Comprehensive Health Insurance Act provision suggested by its Board, and would make permanent the prohibition we had previously sponsored as a tenporary one to eliminate the issue of dumping. I would answer any questions and move that we do concur.

PRESIDING QPPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Discussion? Discusslon? If not, the question is, shall the Senate concur with House Amendment l to Senate Bill 1023. Those in favor will vote Aye. Those opposed, Nay. The voting is open. Have al1 voted who wish? Have a11 voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Take the record. On that question, the Ayes are 55# the Nays are lz none voting Present. Tbe Senate does concur with House Amendment l to Senate Bill 1023. And the bill, having received the reguired constitutional majority, is declared passed. Senate Bill 1310. Schuneman. Schuneman. Senator Schuneman. 1310. Mr. -- Mr. Seeretary, please.

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HARRY) House Amendment No. 2 to Senate Bill 1310.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Schuneman. Take it out of the record. One out of two. Senator Schuneman.

was tryin: to remember what we needed to do to that. I need to non-concur on this bill.

PRESIDTNG OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) 34  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLX RECULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 54th Legislative Day June 29, 1991 Wellr just a moment. We took it out of the record. Let's put it --

A11 right.

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Lee's put it back ln the record. your --

That'll be good.

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Your principal advisor there in front's probably confusing you Senator Raica. Senate Bill 1310, Mr. Secretary. Read the bill.

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HAQRX) House Amendment No. to Senate Bill 1310.

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Schuneman.

Thank you, Mr. President. This is the bill that was intended to adopt the language that Senator Berman asked for earlier. move to non-eoncur With House amendment --

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) No. 2.

No.

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Schuneman moves to non-concur with House Amendment No. 2 to Senate Bill 1310. Those in favor will indicate by saying Aye. Opposed, Nay. The Ayes have it. Motion carries. Secretary shall so inform the House. 1345. Cullerton. On the Order of Secretary 's Desk Concurrence is Senate Bill 1345, Mr. Secretary.

ACTINC SECRETARY: (MR. NANRX) House Amendments l and 2 to Senate Bill 1345.

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) 35  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 54th Legislative Day June 29, 1991 Senator Cullerton.

Thank you, Mr. President and Members of the Senate. I would move to concur With House Amendments No. l and 2 to Senate Bill 1345. What -- khat khe amendments do is ko extend the Illinois income tax surcharge for two years, which is expected to and will expire midnight on Sunday if we don't pass it. It maintains the current distribution of the income tax proceeds, so that fifty percent would go to the local governments and fifty percent going to the Educational Assistance Fund. Ik also provides an income tax -- property tax deduetion, but it makes it graduated accordin: to income. This also would be for two years only, and it reverts to a single deduction beginning in taxable year 1993. It also contains wbat's been described as a family first proqram, which has three components. Basically, *hese components are different forms of tax relief: which are financed in part by the graduation of the property tax deduction. There will be an additional exemption for each dependent child under eighteqp years of aqe. There Will be a State earned income tax credit equal to five percent of the Federal earned income tax credit.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Pardon me, Senator Cullerton. Ladies and Gentlemenz can We take our conferences off the Floor. Senator Cullerton.

Yes. As I -- as I was sayingr 1t also grants renters an income tax credit equal to three percent of their average monthly rent, up to a rent of one thousand dollars. So that the most that the credik could be is thirty dollars. I'd be happy to ansWer any questions, and 1 Would ask for an Aye vote.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Discussion? Senator Fawell. 36  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLX REGULAR SESSION SCNATE TRANSCRIPT 54th Legislatkve Day June 29, 1991 SENATOR FAWELLI Thank you very much . I -- 1 -- I bope everybody is listening to what this bill is. This is the ''family first'' income tax plan that Senator -- khat Representative - and I guess we could call him Senator and Governor Madlgan has decided to come up with. don't see that it really does much, except that it puts us in the hole three point nine million dollars even more. I see nothinq about this plan that gets us out of the difficulty we have found ourselves in. think this is an extremely bad idea, and I don't think that We should be talkin: about doing nothing but getting further and further and further into the -- into the depths of poverty where we seem to be digging ourselves. This ks how Conqress :ot in the mess they got into. I would strongly suggest ehat everybody vote No before ke find ourselves borrowing to the hilt and never gettinq out of this morass that we are in.

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) A11 right. Purther discussion? Senator Hawkinson.

Thank you, Mr. President. Senator: would you consider taking this out of the record for now?

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR DEMOZIO) Senator Cullerton.

Not right now , no. I'd like to keep it in the record w

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) A1l right. Further discussion? Senator Schaffer.

Frankly, I think if any of us have any hope of seeing our homes in July, we probably ought to start facing a feW of these issues and have a feW roll calls. I think many of us have very serious problems wikh this proposal and would like to get it behind us so that we can get down, hopefully, to some meaningful 37  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLX REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 54th Legislative Day June 29, 1991 negotiations. Let me suggest to you that, for a large portion of this Stateg this bill is not only not helpful, ks very harmful harmful in a couple of ways. First, -- it kills any chances its passage would at least of any meaningful control on property taxes. Obviously, those of us Who are concerned about Property taxes and the dramatic increases tbat we've seen in -- in a large portion of the State know that without tying that to this proposal or to the continuation of the surcharqez that that's not going to happen. Secondly, this is a two-year temporary bill. do not see what good public policy is met With a temporary income tax. The problems that the money derived by the income tax address are not temporary in nature - they are permanent. Theydre going to be with us, I suspect, for the rest of our political lives at the very least. But I think the thing that bothers me most about it is that because kills the property tax cap possibilities, eliminates the double deductions, it is literally killing the American dream of individual home ownership. This bill will make it more difficult for your children and your grandchildren to ever own a home in Illinois. I don't think we want Illinois to be an endless series of little ticky-taeky apartment buildings. I think we believe in the American dream and the dream of individual home ownership. And this bill is a dramatic blow to that dream .

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) All right. WGN-TV and WAND and a score of others have sought leave to record the proeeedings. Is leave granted? Leave is granted. Further dkscussion? Senator Geo-Karis.

Mr. President and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate, one of the flaws in this bill is that it really provides, by an insidious method, a graduated income tax, which is unconstitutional under our Constitution, because it has different rates - different 38  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 54th Legislative Day June 29, 1991 income. The other point is bhat this bill is targeted to taxpayers that make ten thousand dollars or less. The taxpayers that make ten thousand dollars or less do not have to pay federal or State income tax. So what happens to the middle class? The middle elass is not helped. For example, a family of four with two children that pays property taxes With adjusted gross incomes between thirty-five thousand and seventy-five thousand dollars, under this bill, would save fifteen dollars a year. 1-5. Fifteen dollars a year under the ''families first'' proposal. The same family of four would save an averaqe of seventy-five dollars under the Property Tax Limitation Act that we passed here in the Senate. And there's a big difference. And this -- this bill does not help . We are commiteed here to give some properky tax -- property tax relief to our constituents. We are just playing around with people's lives in order to have a proposal that sounds good - ''family first.'' It's not families first. As a matter of fact, this proposal should be called families last and consideration last for the middle class of America and of Illinois. The middle class is carrying the freiqht in this State. What are we doing about them? Playing games. Let's stop playing games and vate against this silly bill, because it certainly does not help the middle class of Illinois.

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) A11 right. Purther discussion? Senator Jacobs.

Thank youe Mr. president. You know. Ehls bill doesn't include some of the things that T khink are necessary. It -- it doesn't make the income tax increase permanent, which I have been for ever since the inception of the temporary surcharge. And it sure doesn't take eare of our -- our problems that We have With our health care providers. And there's a couple other compromises that are floating around out here that I think could incorporate 39  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 54th Legislative Day June 29, 1991 some of these areas and make this parkicular bill a lok better. One area of disagreement that I do have and one thing I do like about the bill - it doesn't include the automatic property tax increases that we seem to want to have by putting on what we call property tax relief, Which, in fact, is a property tax increase guarantee. And I'm glad that this bill doesn't include that, but really just think that we should wait on this bill, that we should sit around and have some discusslon and ensure that we do something to take care of not only our cities and our State but also our providers.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Al1 riqht. Further discussion? Senator Rigney.

Well, Mr. President, if there's one thing Wedve been good at in years gone by, it's frittering away fifteen, twenty million dollars here or there somewhere along the Way. This carries on our long tradition of frittering away insignificant amounts of money that, over the years, add up to some things that are rather significant. We -- Wedre continuing that tradition without really helping anyone. Xou talk about an extra deduction, extra exemption for children - an extra twenty-five percent. That that translates into seven dollars and fifty cents per kid, just as long -- just -- you know -- on the grounds that somehow we are saving the Illinois family by giving them an extra seven dollars and fifty cents of tax relief; the renters - an extra thirty dollars, just as if thirty dollars were a signlficant amount of money. Well, the problem is that when you add it a1l together for some of these various tax relief schemes, we're giving away another forty, fifty million dollars in a year that we obviously do not have We can't afford to play the o1d fritter away game. The -- the time for that has passed. It's no lonqer in fashion. And I think wedve :ot to face that fact. And then, in 40  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 54th Legislative Day June 29, 1991 closing, I would merely point out that the Governor is askinq for a part of that surcharge money tbat has gone to the cities for the last couple of years. Wefve got to have that: too. I don't thînk we can deny it. We read the headlines here a couple of days ago that said we're in the hole another three hundred and eighty-five million dollars. And we today are going to stand herez on the 29th day of Junez and take away another hundred and sixty or seventy million dollars that the Governor had been anticipating ln his budget? Heyw we can't afford that either. It's a bad, ill-timed piece of legislation, and I khink the quicker we give it a quick burial, the quicker we can get on to the serious business about balancing this budget.

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Further discussion? Senator Thomas Dunn.

Thank you, Mr. President. Question is whether or not this really helps the poor and whether or not it helps working families. I've looked at the chart that reflects that for a family of four for thirty-five thousand dollars, they?re going to save thirty-three dollars. I tell you what - a family of four going to McDonald's ean probably spend that in one breakfast. A family of four for fifty thousand dollars Will save the grand sum of fifteen dollars. We a11 know thak everybody wants more money down here, but 1111 tell you one class of people thatfs not getting more money - and that's the residential real estate taxpayer. Theydve been left out. Why can't we give more relief to those people the people that pay the most for al1 the benefits? It's because this has become a regional issue. It's because the people in the City of Chicago pay sixteen percent, and the people downstate pay thirty-three percent. It's because the people downstate have not had high EAVS like the people have in the collar counties. Wefve experienced obscene - yes, obscene 41  STATE OV ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLX REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 54th Legislative Day June 29, 1991 rates and charqes to live in our own homes. Andy of course, the result in the collar county is that, as we give up money, the schools need more money. We lose in the formula. And who picks up the tab? The residential real estate people pick up ehe tab. This bill would end the double deductlon in ewo years. Is that relief? I donlt think so. think that the people of the State ought to be asked who would rather have the money the resldential real estate taxpayer or give the money to GRF when ke get r1d of that deduction in two years. Is this relief for social security recipients living in their home, working al1 their lives, trying to pay their their mortqage and real estate tax bill? No, it's not. Is this going to encouraqe youn: marrieds to buy a home and lower the rates they're going to pay in taxes to :et that home? Noy it's not. Does this promote the American dream? No, it does not. It's time to bite the bullet and to recognize that in the collar counties, we have a very serious problem in real estate taxes. We understand that the rest of the State doesn't necessarily share in that. It's somewhat analogous to gun control. The people that buy guns in the City of Chicago are .not hunting pheasants. It's time to do something about taxes for the little person Who occupies the home. We ought not to vote for this bill.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Further discussion? Senator Collins. SENATOR COLLINS) Thank you, Mr. presldent and Members of the Senate. rise in opposition to this bill for most of the reasons stated by the last speaker. However, there are some good provisions about this bill, and I think the best of all, it's -- it extends the income tax surcharge. But thatls just not enough. If We are really serious about giving some tax relief to those people whodve been carrying the burden in this State for years - the tax burden then we 42  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87*h GENERAL ASSEMBLV REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 54th Legislative Day June 29, 1991 would have: most certainly, considered more seriously the amendment kntrodnced by myself and Senator Rigney on the other side of the aisle, because it did, in fact. Not only did it give some tax relief to those people Who is at the bottom of the income level and shlft the burden and more responsibility to those who can't afford to pay but kho have not paid their fare share of taxes in this State, it also had a positive revenue advantage, because it allowed for an additional sixty million dollars in income for this Seate that we could have used for human serviees and some other programs Which we are so desperately in need of money for. This bill is about nothing. It's really a qame that we are pretending to give some relief to the poor and to the people in this State - taxpayers. But it really doesn't do anything, and it's been said very well. And for that reason, I'm opposed to the bill.

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Al1 right. Purther discussion? Senator Jones.

ïes. Thank you, Mr. President. Will the sponsor yield?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Sponsor will -- indicates he will yield. Senator Jones.

Senator Cullerton, you know thks has been a grave concern of mine because of what I have read in the media as it relate to the Educational Pund taking a hit. Nowz know these funds go into the distributive fund tha: was creaked kwo years ago, bu* is khere any way that one could - after -- if this bill became law, thae one could raid the Educational Fund?

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Cullerton.

No. It's -- retains the money in that Fund, just as has 43  STATE OP ILLINOTS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLX REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 54th Legislative Day June 29, 1991 for the last tWo years.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Jones.

So# therefore, it could be similar to the Lottery then - the funds would come in here, but they could be taken away at the other end, be it through the through the formula or the resource equalizer or some of the categorical grants. So, therefore, on one hand' we said we'd vive them money. On the other hand, it's bein: taken away. Am I correct?

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Cullerton.

There's nothing in this bill that takes that money away. What this bill does is to raise the money to put into the Pund in the first place. It raises it by extendinq the surcharge Which is scheduled to expire midnight tomorrow night.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Jones.

Well, 1et me address the bill. Two years ago, We had this bill before us. It is not the only train in town. I want to make that crystal clear. The needs of the children in the State of Illinois are permanent needs. Education is a labor-intensive industry. If you are talking about doing somethinq, you cannot qive a temporary pay raise and khen come back two years laker and kake it away. It just does no* work. If you are talklng about solving the problem and bringing Illinois upz this matter should be increased, not decreased. I don't like being placed in the position where you're going to pit the children of our public school system against those who need other social programs. These issues must be addressed equally. To pass this bill in khis form 44  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th CENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 54th Legislative Day June 29, 1991 without additional revenue, We are only fooling the people of Illinois and particularly those Who rely on our public school system. So at this staqe, itds not the only train in town, because the train cannot leave Without a11 the individuals on board. And at this stage, cannot be on board, because We have not made a real commitment to the children of the public schools in this State, in particular, the City of Chicago, where I reside. And so I -- I -- at this time, request that you vote Present or vote No on this bill.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Al1 right. Further discussion? Senator Topinka.

Yes. Mr. President, I'd like to eall the question.

PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Well, Senator Topinka, you Were the last speaker. Purkher discussion? If not, Senator Cullerton may close.

Well, thank you, Mr. President, Members of the Senate. Let me just make a few points - perhaps some . clarification. With reqard to the double deduction on our income tax forms that we now have - it's a double deduction of our property taxes, the -- the fact is that the second half of khat deduction - the double part of that deduction - schedules to expire as Well on Sunday. So there will be no double deduction. There will only be a single deduction on our income taxes -- tax forms if we were to not pass this bill. And so the ''family firstn poreion of this bill, alonq with a graduated exemption, is what is being used to pay for that ''family first'' portion. The -- the fact of the matter ksk wikh regard to education, this money is raised through this tax. The money goes in the Education Assistance Fund. With regard to the fact that it's temporary - I know some people wish that it be permanent the fact is that the distribution of the money -- the distribution 45  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSPRIPT 54th Legislative Day June 29, 1991 of the money is the khin: that perhaps that should not be permanent. The Governor himself, when he campaiqned, said that he was for extending the surcharge, but he didn't tell anybody that he was planning on taking a hundred fifty million dollars of the money that goes to the local governments and giving it to the State. So he himself changed his mind with regard to *he distribution. So perhap: it makes sense for us to have a temporary income tax surcharge. So I think this is the only game in town. And I think it's time that we realize wefre going to have to extend the surcharge. This is the only bill that the House has passed. This is before us. Let's qet on the bill. Ask for an Aye vote.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) The queseion is, shall the Senate concur With House Amendments and to Senate Bill 1345. Those in favor will vote Aye. Those opposed, Nay. The voting is open. Have al1 voted *ho wish? Have a11 voted who wish? Have al1 voted who Wish? Take the record. On that question, the Ayes are l8, the Nays are 4lz none voting Present. The Senate does not concur. Senator Cullerton.

Mr. President, I ask that this motion be put on Postponed Consideration.

PRCSIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) All right. Postponed Consideration is granted. Senate Bill 1455. Senator Rock. Senator Rock moves to non-concur with House Amendment l -- I'm sorry. fenate Bill 1465, Mr. Eecretary.

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. NAQRY) House Amendment No. to Senate Bill 1455.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Rock moves to non-concur *1th House Amendment l to Senate Bill 1455. Those in favor will indicate by saying Aye. Opposed, Nay. The Ayes have Motion carries, and the 46  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLV REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 54th Legislatkve Day June 29, 1991 Secretary shall so inform the House. Senator Jonesz for what purpose do you arise? Senator Jones.

On the previous bill that the vote went down on, I know it's a courtesy of the sponsor to give him the request for a postponed eonsideration, but if he Wanted to send a message back to the House that We non-concur in this bill so that we can really address the issue, then is -- is a motion proper at this time?

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Well, yes. The -- it's also covered in our rules. Rule 22 provides that a sponsor may put his -- his bill or his motion on Postponed Consideration at any time, and he did. Senator Jones.

Well, what I'm saying -- what I'm saying to you -- this -- then -- that I would rather see the Senate non-concur.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Well, Senator Jones, that may be your prerogatkve. There's a lot of other people that have a different viewpoint. The fact of khe matter is that ik is covered in our rules. We have always abided by it as long as you have been down here, as long as I have been down here, and kt is -- it is covered . So, you know. What -- what more can I say? Senator Jones. BENATOR JONESJ Well, I would -- I would like to see a vote on the Postponed Consideration Motion.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Well, Senator -- Senator Jones, we're no lonqer on that Order of buslness. Supplemental Calendar No. 1. Supplemental Calendar 1. On the -- on the Order of Secretaryls Desk, Concurrencee is Senate Bill 45, Madam Secretary.

House Amendment No. 1 to Senate Bill 45. 47  STATE OP ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 54th Legislative Day June 29, 1991

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Schaffer: what purpose do you arise?

Parliamentary Inquiry. What action is necessary to accomplish Senator Jones' idea?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Haven't any idea. It's not covered under our rules, Senator Schaffer.

All right.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEKUZIO) Senator Topinka.

Yes. Mr. Presidenty Ladies and Genelemen of the Senate, would ask that We concur with House Amendment No. 1 to Senate Bil1 45. House Amendment No. l beqins What is goin: to probably be a very painful road that we are al1 going to be on as we try and balance this budget. This particular amendment, Which was sponsored by Speaker Madigan and Minority Leader Daniels in the House, and was agreed to there between the tko leaders, Would save the State 384.5 million dollars by making various cuts in a number of programs in khe state. A number of these cuts would be annual, in that they would be a savings, you know, henceforth. It is probably the first attempt to really and truly kry and face the fact that we, you know, are in the hole. Today in today's newspapers, Comptroller Netseh has duElfully announced Ehat she is acknowledging that the State has probably entered into a recession. The monies that are coming into this State are flat. It would not seem that khrough natural growth, or through the eollection of taxes which are out there now, that *e are going to be able to bail ourselves out in any other way but basically facing up ko the fact that we have overspente you know, we are in 48  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 54th Legislative Day June 29, 1991 this deadlock. Wedre not paying our bills. And this is indeed what Amendment No. does.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Is there a discussion? Senator Jones. Is there a discussion? If not -- a11 right. Well, I -- I -- I asked three times. Senator Lechowicz.

Sorry, Mr. President. I thought my light was on. I may -- you may have missed it. I'd like to ask the sponsor a question or two.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Sponsor indicates she will yield. Senator Lechowicz.

In this proposal that was adopted by the House, is there a four-hundred-dollar cap for senior citizens as far as the expenditure on medicine?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Topinka.

There -- yes, there is.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Lechowicz.

You know, Ladies and Gentlemen, I think you really better start realizing what's in some of these great House amendments. Thank you, Mr. PresidenE. I kould hope that thls Body Would start realizing what's in some of these great House amendments. Under this amendment, as far as this supposed seven-million-dollar aggregate cut, in -- under this proposal, the senior citizens of this State could only have a four-hundred-dollar cap for a total year in medical prescriptions. I think that's absolutely outrageous. For that reason alone, this amendment should be 49  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLX REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 54th Legislatkve Day June 29, 1991 defeated. And I would ask that Ehe sponsorsr when they move the adoption of these qreat House amendments: would glve *he rese of this Body a more detailed breakdown exactly what's covered. There are thirteen different expenditure items in this amendment which should be brought to the attention of this Senate Floor. But when youdre -- talking about taking care of senior cttizens of this Seate, this amendment is horrendous, and it deserves an absolute No vote.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) A1l right. Further Discussion? Senator Collins.

Yes. Thank you, Mr. President and Members of the Senate. I am really glad that you -- Senator Lechowicz got you attention here, because, you knowz we just shouldn't be voting on things here without time to look at 1t. This bill, understand: passed the House last night - Senate Bill 45 - and this is an agreement, I understand, between the Speaker and, I assume. the Governor's Office to -- as to what's going to be cut out of the various human service -- mostly -- a 1ot .of this'stuff is cut out of human service. And We have not had an opportunity to -- to look at this, because no one know anything -- knew anything about it until it got over here this morning. It just passed the House last niqht. And if you don't know what's in it: before you vote for it, I I would suggest that we take it out of the reeord so that people can have time to look -- look at it. Beeause what it does in addition to what Senator Lechowicz indicated - it geks rld of the -- ehe entire Advocacy Proqram; it euts DASA a tremendous cut in that program and the Nursing Home Asslstance Program and on and on down the line. And these programs are -- r understand are very important to us that we have fought over the years. And -- and if we are going to cut, we ought to talk about cutting across Ehe board so that those critical human service areas Will not take 50  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENENAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 54th Legkslative Day June 29, 1991 the brunt of all of the cuts. And -- and I just think we should defeat this amendment, and we should tell Madigan and Lee Daniels that we are all elected representatives down here, and they just don'e cut deals, and they don't nake decisions without our input. So I think we should defeat this amendment.

PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Further discussion? Senator Fawell. SENATOR PAWELL; Well, I think if -- i' we all start really looking at at what some of this is doing, I think some of the things kheylre doing are -- are not as bad as some of the cut: We may have to even make later. We'd better realize that -- that one-third of our General Revenue Fund right now goes to Public Aid. Two-thirds of that one-third goes to nursing homes, lnstitutions, and hospitals. One-third goes to education. And about twenty-two percent go ko prisons and judiciary system: State Police, and and DCFS and Mental Hea1th. None of these cuts are going to be easy ones for us to make. Wedre going to have to start cutting in - - in .things làke Children and Family Serviceg which, obviously, none of us want to do. But if you read ik, it says that lt's going to eliminate services to Wards over nineteen years of age. That means we will still be able to take care of the children from birth to eàghteen years. It's the nineteen-, twenty-, and twenty-one-year-old that we are no longer calling a child. Frankly, I was married when I was nineteen and then had a child by the time I was twenty. So I'm not real sure khat I would still be considered a a child at that point. There's some other things that they are allowing us to do. I think we ought to seriously look at this amendment and then vote for it.

PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZTO) A11 right. Further discussion? Senator Jacobs.

51 i ' STATE OF ILLINOIS . 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 54th Legislative Day June 29# 1991 Thank you: Mr. President. ïou know, you listen to this debate, and both sides make sense, because first of all, we do need to make some cuts. But let me give you a couple of areas where I think We have a real problem, notwithstandin: the pharmaceutical assistance, which is atrocious to think we 're going to take or care -- those health benefits from our seniors. But let me read you what our analysis says on the Prompt Payment Act. And I'm going ko try to emphasize a couple of Words. Documents applied by the Speaker's Office suggest that tbe 173.5 million will be saved by manipulation of the payment cycle beyond the sixty-day prompt payment required. Additionally, 59.5 million would also be saved in interest paymenks for failure to meet the Prompt Payment Ack requirements. What the hell? Wedre -- wedre asking ourselves to break our oWn laW on this thing, and I think it's ridiculous, and I urge a No vote. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMDZIO) Further discussion? If not, Senator Topinka may close. SENATOR TOPINKA: - Well, Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate, when I started this discussion, I said that nobody would be happy with this, and this would be the first step in what would be a very painful journey in trying to balance a budget that has been consiseently overspene. We are not geeting new dollars in because of -- of what Comptroller Netsch says is -- âs the beginning - really hard and fast - of a recession for the State of Illinois. I don't think anybody in this sbaEe is qoinq Eo be exempt from -- END 0F TAPE TAPE 2 52  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 54th Legkslatize Day June 29: 1991

- - takin: a hit in some form or another on programs and proposals and things that they have come to know and love, and in many cases depend on. It is not an easy vote to make, but let me suggest, in terms of what may be down the line, this may be one of the easier votes that we have to do in balancing the budget. And Would ask for your concurrence.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Question is, shall the Senate concur With House Amendment l to Senate Bill 45. ehose in favor will vote Aye. Those opposed, Nay. The voting is open. Have al1 voted who wish? Have al1 voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have a11 voted Who wish? Last call. Have all voted who Wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who Wish? Take the record. On that question, the Ayes are 25, the Nays are 31, none votin: Present. The motion fails, and the Secretary shall so inform the House. Secretary 's Desk, Non-concurrence. House Bill 1431, Madam Secretary, please.

Senate Amendments l and 2 to House Bill 1431.

PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Hawkinson. Take it out of ehe record. House Bill 1982. Luft. House Bill 1982, Madam Secretary.

Senate Amendment No. l to House Bill 1982.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Luft.

Thank you, Mr. Presldent. I Would ask that the Senate refuse to recede from Senate Amendment No. l and ask for a conference committeew.oon House Bill 1982.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) 53  ! STATE 0F ILLTNOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 54th Legislative Day June 29. 1991 Senator Luft moves -- I'm sorry. Senator Luft moves that the Senate refuse to recede from the adoption of Senate Amendment No. l to House Bill 1982. And the bill -- I'm sorry -- and that a conference committee be appointed. Those in favor, indicate by saying Aye. Opposed, Nay. The Ayes have Motion carries, and the Secretary shall so inform the House. With leave of the Body , we'll do resolutions. Resolutions.

Senate Resolution 630 offered by Senators Weaver and Woodyard. It is congratulatory.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Consent Calendar.

And Senate Resolution 632 <sic> (633) offered by Senators Hall: Ralph Dunn and Frank Watson. It is substantive.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Executive. A1l right. Senator Rock.

Thank you, Mr. President. Again, in the inevitable paper chase, we seem to have caught up. And so I would suggest that to afford everyone an opportunity to make some phone calls: there is a meetin: of the appropriations folks, I'm toldr at noon. And other conference committees are beginning to form, so I would sug:est we stand in recess until 1:30.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) A11 right. The senate will stand in recess until the hour of 1:30. (RECESS) 54  STATE 0F ILLIXOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 54th Legislative Day June 29, 1991 (SENATE RECONVENES)

Senate Will please come to order. Supplemeneal Calendar No. 2 has been distributed. You Will notice that they are all House bills that are back on khe Order of Secretary's Deske Non-concurrence in Senate amendments. These are, however, all the appropriatlon bills, and I understand the conferees are still meeting. So that -- that Calendar will not be addressed today. Messages from *he House, Madam Secretary.

A Message from the House by Mr. O'Brien, Clerk. Mr. President am directed to inform khe Senate that the House of Representatives has refused to recede from their amendments to a bill of the following tikle, to wit: Senate Bill No. 42. I am further directed to inform the Senate that the House of Representative requests a First Committee of Conference to consider the differences of the two Houses in regards to the amendments to their bill. Action taken by the House, June 28, 1991. have like Messages on: House Amendments l and 2 to Senate Bill 62; House Amendments 1 and 2 to Senate Bill 249: House Amendment l to Senate Bill 2507 House Amendment l to Senate Bill 2717 House Amendment to Senate Bill 307) House Amendment l to Senate Bill 326: House Amendments 2, 3 and 4 to Senate Bill 446: House Amendment 1 to Senate Bill 453; House Amendment to Senate Bill 499; House Amendment l to Senate Bill 6167 House Amendment eo Senate Bill 6317 55  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 54th Legislative Day June 29e 1991 House Amendments l and 2 to Senate Bill 6547 Souse Amendment No. to Senake Bill 678; Souse Amendment l to Senate Bill 6977 House Amendment l to Senate Bill 6992 House Amendments 1 and 2 to Senate Bill 708: House Amendment 2 to Senate Bill 728: House Amendment 1 to Senate Bill 741; House Amendment No. to Senate Bill 774) House Amendment 1 to Senate Bill 8727 House Amendments l and 4 to Senate Bill 9077 House Amendments 1, 2 and 3 to Senate Bill 923) House Amendments 1 and to Senate Bill 992; House Amendments 2 and 3 to Senate Bill 10307 House Amendments l t/ Senate 3ill 1031; House Amendment l to Senate Bill 10427 House Amendments 1 and 2 to Senate Bill 1079: House Amendment 2 to Senate Bill 11477 House Amendments l through 6 and 8 to Senate Bill 11717 House Amendment l to Senate Bill 1182: House Amendment 3 to Senate Bill 1218: House Amendment -- House Amendments l and 2 to àenate Bill 1295: House Amendment l to Senate Bill 1303: House Amendment 1 to Senate Bt11 13297 House Amendment 1 to Senate Bill 13937 And House Amendment 1 to Senate Bill 1451. Action taken by the House: June 28, 1991.

All right. Those were requests for conference committees made by the House. Senator Demuzio moves that the Senate does accede to the request of the House with respect to those bills. Messaqes from the House. 56  1 STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 54th Leqislative Day June 29, 1991

A Message from the House by Mr. O'Brienr Clerk. Mr. President I am directed to inform the Senate that the House of Representatives has refused to concur With the Senate in the adoption of their amendment to a bill of the following title, to wit: House Bill 319 wkth Senate Amendment No . 1. have like Messages on: Senate Amendment No. 1 to House Bill 373) Senate Amendment No. 1 to House Bill 376: Senate Amendment No. to House Bill 3787 Senate Amendment No. to House Bill 384: Senate Amendments l and 2 to House Bill 3932 Senate Amendments 1 to House Bill 395; Senate Amendments 1, 2 z 3 and 4 to House Bill 5052 Senate Amendment No. 1 to House Bill 5-4-5; Senake Amendment No. to House Bill 5-8-1: Senate Amendments l and 2 to -- to House Bill 6297 Senate Amendment No. l to House Bkll 631; Senate Amendments l and 2 to House Bill 6332 Senate Amendment 1 to Eouse Bill 6341 Senate Amendment No. l to House Bill 636: Senate Amendments l throuqh 6 to House Bill 6377 Senate Amendments l and 2 to House Bill 6392 Senate Amendment No. to House Bill 640; genate AmendmenEs 1 Ehrough 7 ko House Bill 641; Senate Amendment No. 1 to House Bill 642; Senate Amendments l and 2 to House Bill 643: Senate Amendment No. to House Bill 6447 Senate Amendment No. l to House Bill 645: Senate Amendments l and 2 to House Bill 646: Senate Amendments 1 and 3 to Rouse Bill 647; 57  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 54th Leqislative Day June 29, 1991 Senake Amendmene No. l to House Bill 649; ; Senate Amendment No. l to House Bill 650: I Senate Amendment No. 1 to House Bill 652: Senate Amendment No. l to House Bill 654; Senate Amendment No. l to House Bill 655: Senate Amendment No. 1 to House Bill 656: Senate Amendment No. l to House Bill 657: Senate Amendments l and 3 to House Bill 6587 Senate Amendments l and 2 to House Bill 659: Senate Amendment No. l to House Bill 660: Senate Amendment No. l to House Bill 736; Senate Amendment No. 1 to House Bill 737; Senate Amendments l and 2 to House Bill 8087 Senate Amendment No. 1 to House Bill 887: Senate Amendments 1, 2, 4, 6, 7 and 9 to House Bill 888) Senate Amendments l and 3 to House Bill 1048) Senate Amendment No. 1 to House Bill 11017 Senate Amendment No. 1 to House Bill 11557 And Senate Amendment No. l to House Bill 1296. Non-concurred in by the House: June 29, 1991.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMDZIO) Secretary's Deskz Concurrence. Senate will come to order. Page 8. Eouse Bills 2nd Reading, Madam Secretary, is House Bill 1354. Read the bill, please.

House Bill 1354. (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Reading of the bill. No committee amendments.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Any amendments from the Floor?

Senator Rock offers Amendment No. 1. 58  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSERBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 54th Legislative Day June 29# 1991

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Rock.

Thank you, Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. Amendment No. 1 to House Bill 1354 is a change in the map as voted upon by the House of Representatives. In our judgment, we have made some changes, particularly on the southeast side of the City of Chicago and the County of Cook, to better reflect the existing population and the population movement and to make the mapz if possible, even more compactg contiguous, and obviously, substantially equal in population. In addition, this amendment makes about four or five technical changes, correcting either typographical errors or -- or numbers that Were transposed. know of no objection to the amendment, and I would move its adoption.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) A11 right. Senator Rock has moved the adoption of Amendment No . 1. Discussion? Senator Watson.

Well, thank you. I'm surprised to hear that there's no objection, since *e just received this amendment on our desk time bein: 2:50 in the afternoon of June 29th, and I object and ask that this amendment and legislation be taken out of the record until we have an opporkuniky to review the amendment and get a proper status as to what it actually does. PREEIDING OFFICERZ (SENATOR DEMUZIO) A11 right. Further discussion? Senator Dudycz. Senator Watson.

Request of the sponsor that Ehis bill be taken ouE of the record until we get an opportunity to review the amendment. This has just been placed on our desks - this particular time. We 59 I STATE OP ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE QRANSCRIPT 54th Legislative Day June 29# 1991 1 haven 't had an -- havenlt had an opportunity to look it over, and I think it ouqht to be taken out of the record until we get that i : opportunity. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Rock. SENATOR ROCK: Well, the Gentleman is speakin: as thouqh this were somehow final action. This is an amendment on 2nd Reading, and when adopted -- and it does no more than I said it did - no less, but no more. It pertains to four or five districts on the southeast side of the City of Chicago and the County of Cook. It makes some other minor technical changes. That's a11 it does. And this is not final ackion. It is to put the bill in the shape in which the sponsor wishes to have ie so tha: we can call it for final action tomorrow. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Watson. SENATOR WATSON: Well, I'd like to remind the Membership that this is a map which is going to take effect for the next ten years. It's not just something that we need to take idly by and stand here and 1et this be crammed down our throats. And that's exactly what's happening here. This amendment's just now being distributed. Under Rule 15 of our own rules here in the Illinois Senate, it says that an amendment should be distributed and given -- the Members ample opportuniEy Eo look Ehe amendmenk over, know what's in it before the -- before the amendment proceeds. So I persist in my objection and would like to have this legislation taken out of the record so We can review the amendment. PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Al1 right. Well, welll get back to you. SENATOR WATSON : 60  STATE 0F ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 54th Legislative Day June 29, 1991 Well --

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Dudycz, discussion? Senator Watson. !

Well, obviously, this is going to be crammed down, or at least an attempt to cram through -- down our throats, and we want to let you know that we object to that. We don't think that this is in the best interest of the people, and that an ample opportunity should be given us and the people to review the amendment and discuss the amendment in a proper forum . Having said that: I do' have --

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) A11 right. Senator Rock, for what purpose do you rise?

A point of order. I hope nobody is under the misapprehension khat -- that this is somehow somethin: totally brand new. I conferred with your Minority Leader and did, in fact, present him a copy of an amendment to Senate Bill 52 a week or ten days ago, alpng with the accompanying configuration. And what I suggest to you, my friend: is that Amendment No. 1 makes only minuscule changes in a certain small portion of this State. Youdve had the information for better than a week, to my knowledge. And I Would persist and ask for the adoption of Amendment No. 1.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Al1 right. Purther discussion? Senator Watson.

Well then, Senatorr why was it just dlstributed now? W:y wasn't it distributed earlier so we would have had -- each Member had an ample opportunity to review it?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Al1 right. Furtber dlscussion? Senator Dudycz.

61 . ... - I  STATE OP ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 54th Legkslative Day June 29# 1991 A11 right.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Watson, for what purpose do you rise?

Thank you. I would like to proceed With some questions of the sponsor, on the amendment.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Indicates he will yield. Senator Watson.

Thank you. Speaker Madigan said in House debate that he believes that the proposal satisfies the Voters' Rights Act. Do you believe that this amendment that we have before us also satisfies that Voters' Rights Act?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Rock.

Yes.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Watson.

Speaker Madigan's map conkained fifteen statewide House Districts with Black or Afro-American populations over sixty-five percent and with a Afro-American population of over thirty to sixty-five percent. How many Afro-American House Districts over sixty-five percent Afro-American population does this amendment contain?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) senator Rock.

Six.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Further -- Senator Watson. 62  1 ! STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT E 54th Legislative Day June 29, 1991 SENATOR WATSON : How many With an Afro-American population of thirty to sixty-five percent does this amendment contain? PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Rock. SENATOR ROCK: One. PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Watson. SENATOR WATSON: 1. Does this amendment affect any House District with an Hispanic population of thirty to sixty-five percent? PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Rock. SENATOR ROCK: No. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Watson. SENATOR WATSON: Does it affect a House District with an Hispanic population of over sixty-five percent? PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Rock. SENATOR ROCK: No. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Watson. SENATOR WATSON: Have you obtained any opinions or analysis from politieal scientists or other experts as to this amendment? PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Rock. 63  1 STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 54th Leqislative Day June 29, 1991

I -- there was a point at which I thought I might qualify far that distinction, but I'm *- so the direct answer to your direct question is, aside from my colleagues, a11 of whom are eminent political scientists, the answer is no.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Watson.

When you prepared this amendment, did you confer with any or obtain input from any minority groups?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Rock.

Xes.

PRESIDINC OFPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Watson.

Yes, thank you. Well, who were they?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Rock.

My colleagues on this side of the aisle.

PRESIDTNG OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Watson.

No one, then, from outside this Chamber or Ehe Membership of this Chamber?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Rock.

You are speakkng speckfically to the amendment nowz as I -- aSSume . 64  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 54th Legislative Day June 29, 1991

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Watson. SENATOR WATSONI That is correct.

PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Rock.

We have had discussions, yes, With -- With others, yes.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Watson.

Would you please identify whom others miqht be?

PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Rock.

think thatds a matter of confidence. If they wish to come forkardz theydre certainly entitled to.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Watson.

So, youdre not going to identify what minority groups have participated in the preparation of this amendment.

PRESIDING OEFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Rock.

I khoughk I already did. And T would ask khe Ladies and Genklemen with whom I conferred to stand, if they so wish. But they dre seated here on the Floor. PRESIDING OFFICER; (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Watson.

I was specifically referring to *he outside groups. 65  STATE 0F ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 54th Legkslative Day June 29y 1991 PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Watson. SENATOR WATSON: I was waiting for a response. PRESIDING OPPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Rock. SENATOR ROCK: I thought responded admirably. You know, Itm not -- what are you getting at# m4y I ask? PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Watson. SENATOR WATSON : Yes, eertainly. The -- I would like to know - and for you to identify - what outside minority groups participated in the preparation of this amendment. Simple question. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Rock. SENATOR ROCK: drew up this amendment, with the help of my colleagues. PRESIDING OEFICERZ (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Watson. SENATOR WATSON : Well, I guess I'm to assume then that there wasn 't any assistance from outside groups. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) senaeor Rock. SENATOR ROCK: You draw any assumptkon or inference you wish. PRESTDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Watson. SENATOR WATSON: Under the amendment we just received, there is a map enclosed, 66 t)  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLV REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 54th Legislative Day June 29, 1991 and I Would like to refer to that map, if I could. 0n House District 25, and this is Senate Amendment to House Bill 1354 - the map that you just now had distributed - can you tell me what the percentage of Afro-Americans live in House Distriet 25?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Rock.

Fifty-five percent.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator WaEson.

I'm sorry. Fifty-five percent? 5-5? And that is the Afro-American population? I Would like the record to show. Would you please respond?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Rock.

For one Who has not had adequate time to see thks thingv you certainly are gettin: pretty ' specific. The answer is that the percentage of African-Americans in the 25th Distriet is fifty-five percent.

PRESTDING OFPTCER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Watson.

What about the Hispanic makeup of that distriet? Could you give me that information, please?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Rock.

We need to have this information, because we just got the --

PRESTDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZTO) Senator Rock. 67  STZTE 0P ILLIHQIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMNLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 54th Legislative Day June 29s 1991

In khe 25th House Dlstrictz the percentage of Hispanic- Americans is 28.41 percent.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Watson.

Can you eell me - does that constituke a super-majority?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Rock.

Does Which number constitute a super-majority?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMOZIO) Senator Watson.

A combination of the two: if that's what youdre doing here to assume that this district is a super-majority district.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Rock.

%ell, I'm afraid youdre going to have to define your terms. My understanding of a super-majority district is one that is in excess of sixty-five percent of a single ethnic population. This district would not fit in that definition.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Further discussion? Senator Watson.

I guess welre to assumee then, that this is not a super- majority district, and it's an influential distriet.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Roek.

think it's fair to say that it is influenced by the 68  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 54th Legislatize Day June 29, 1991 Hispanies - no question.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Further Jiscussion? Senator Dudycz. Senator Watson? Senator Watson.

Did the map that came over here -- the bill -- the actual legislation wedre trying to amend have more super-majority House districts in ït than we w:1l have after thks amendment is attached?

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Rock.

You lre specifically referring to the County of Cook, I assume?

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Watson.

Your amendment and hoW it impacts the legislation that's before us now - 1354 - hoW your amendment Will impact the super- majority districts - numberwise.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Rock.

No impact.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Watson.

Well, I thank the President of the Senate for giving me the opportunity to ask some questions. I do have some concerns, however, in the manner in Which this amendment was placed on our desk in a -- inappropriate time, for al1 of us to have *he opportunity to diqest its content and know the impact. And as a result of that, I think the proper vote on this particular 69  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBL: REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 54th Legkslatkve Day June 29e 1991 amendment is No, and I certainly would ask for a roll call at the appropriate time. Thank you.

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Purther discussion? Senator Dudycz.

Thank you, Mz. President. I haze a few questkons for the SPOnSOr.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Indicates he will yield. Senator Dudycz.

Senator Rock, are you aware of the Chicago Urban League 's plan with sixteen statewide Afriean-Ameriean House districts? PRESiDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Rock.

I am aware.

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Dudycz.

Did you incorporate any parts of that plan into this amendment?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Rock. SENATOR RQCK) My recollection is that that plan Was considered, along with a number of other proposals, ak the committee level by Senator Alexander and her qroup. So, lndlrectly, yes, all those -- a1l those proposals were considered.

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR DEMDZIO) Senator Dudycz.

Can you tell us What portions of those plans were incorporated 70  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 54th Legislative Day June 29, 1991 in this amendment?

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Rock.

In this amendment? None.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMOZIO) Senator Dudycz.

Did you specifically solicit the Urban League or any other minority group in preparinq this amendment?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Rock. SENATOR ROCK) No.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Further -- Senator Dudycz.

Senator Rock, do you believe this amendment is politically fair?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Rock. I

Absolutely.

PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR DEMOZIO) Senator Dudycz.

Have you determined the political makeup of the affected districts with the addition of this amendment, specifically the majority Democrat versus the majority Republican?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Rock.

1 71  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 54th Legislative Day June 29, 1991 That was not my primary consideration.

PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Dudycz.

But, Senator, did you determine the political makeup? Even though it may not ha/e been your primary consideration: was it any consideration whatsoever to the makeup of the affected district, the Democrat majority versus the Republican majority diskricts?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Rock.

It was a consideration, certainly; secondary to the primary consideration, which is the one-man/one-vote representation requirement.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Dudycz.

To this secondary consideration, what methodology was used?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Rock.

Well, we have -- we have been basing calculations or -- or projections of that kind predicated upon prior voting historyz particularly with respect to the Dniversity of Illinois trustee races . PRESIDING OFFICERZ (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Dudycz.

What years did you -- or what year did you use?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senaeor Rock.

72  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 54th Legkslative Day June 29, 1991 Well, I'm not sure that's relevant to this amendment, but the fact is we used 1988 and 1990.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Dudycz.

Dkd you take into account incumbency in preparation of this amendment?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEKUZIO) Senator Rock.

I skand before you as the Majority Leader of my Party. So, a direct answer to a direct question is, yes, I did.

Senator Rock, if you were presented with a proposal that increased the number of minority districts by one Senate and two House seats: Would you consider it more constitutionally aceeptable than the bill as -- as amended with this partlcular amendment?

PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Rock.

Not necessarily.

PRESIDJNG OPFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Dudycz.

Do you have any opinion as to *he mlnlmum number of African-hmerican House and Senate seats necessary under the Voters' Rights Act?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Roek.

Well, yes, the current number, because it is constitutionally 73  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGDLAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 54th Legislative Day June 29, 1991 and statutorily impermissible to engage in retrogression, as you well know.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Further discussion? Senator Dudycz.

Senator, for the proposed map, do you have any opinion as to the minimum number of African-American House and Senate seats necessary under the Voters' Rights Act?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Rock.

I'm sorry. Idm getting too much advice over here. Would khe Gentleman mind repeating that?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Dudycz. SENATOR DUDVCZZ Speeifically, Senator Rock, do you have any opinion as to the minimum number of African-American House and Senate seaes necessary under the Voters' Rights Act - to the proposed map, not the eurrent map?

PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Rock.

Well, again, I can assure you we did not enqage in any retrogression. So, I think the number is constant under -- under the proposal, under the amendment as proposed, and under khe existinq law. PRESIDING OFFICERI (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Dudycz.

What Would that mean numerically: Senator?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) 74  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 54th Legislative Day June 29, 1991 Senator Rock.

That's a good question, and I'd be delighted to get an answer from you. What is it currently?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Dudycz. SENATOR DDDYCZ; I'm sorry. But my question hasn't been answered. What's the -- what's the number, according to your opinion?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Rock.

Well, we have -- I donêt think you have any minority Members on your side. So. I think over -- I think there are eight here currentlyw and I think the map, as passed by the House: would add certainly an additional Senate seat - a minority Senate seat.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Further -- Senator Dudycz.

What's your answer - specifically, Senator?

PRESTDTNG OFFTCER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Rock.

I think simple addition - if it adds one Hispanlc district and one minority district, plus the eight we have here, that's ten.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) A1l right. Senator Dudycz.

Senator Rocke isn't or is the real purpose of this amendment to accommodate a Democrat incumbent Senator?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator -- Senator Rock. 75  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 54th Legislative Day June 29# 1991

think you will find that this amendment purports to create -- does create a neW majority Black House district.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Dudycz.

Yes or no, Senator? Is this -- real purpose of this amendment to accommodate a Democrat incumbent Senator?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Rock.

think if you'll turn arounde you'll find out that Senator DeAngelis was well-accommodated with this amendment.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Dudycz.

Could you specifically answer, Senator, or are you purposely attempting to avoid answering my question? Is the real purpose of this amendment to accommodate a Democrat incumbent Senator?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Rock.

No .

PRESIDING OPPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Further -- Senator Dudycz.

Well, thank you, Mr. President. I also join Senator Watson in opposing the amendment. And at the appropriate time, I would ask for a recorded roll call.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) All right. Further discussion? Senator Lechowicz.

76  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 54th Legislative Day June 29, 1991 Mr. President and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate, just for the purpose of khe court record, I'd like to know the handler's name who handled Watson and Dudycz. The fellow sitting in the light blue suit?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Dudycz. Senator Dudycz.

Carter Hendzen.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Lechowicz.

Nice try, Walter, but the fellow next to Carter Hendren. Just for the court record.

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Dudycz.

His name is James Schirote, S-C-H-I-R-O-T-T.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Lechowicz.

Is he a practicing attorney Who is advising the Republican Party?

PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Dudycz.

I'm sorrv. But I -- I don't know uhetber he is advisinq any party.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Lechowicz.

Let me just point out to you, when I raised the question, he nodded to the affirmative, and I want that to be recorded. And 77  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 54th Legislative Day June 29y 1991 want to know what he's doing on the Floor.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Welre coming right back to you. Senator Dudycz.

A point of order, Mr. President. It's not my amendment. We are debating the amendment. And I think we should go to the business of voting on the amendment or discussing the amendment.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) A11 right. Senator Rock may close.

Thank you, Mr. President and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. I urge the adoption of Amendment No. 1. In my judgment, it makes a good map better, and I think it deserves a vote from a1l of us.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) All right. Senator Rock has moved the adoption of Amendment No. l to House Bill 1354. Al1 those in favor will vote Aye. Those opposed, Nay. The voting is open. Have a11 voted Who wish? Have a11 voted who wish? Have a11 voted *ho wish? Take the record. On that question, the Ayes are 3l, the Nays are 28, none voting Present. Amendment No. is adopted. Further amendments?

No further amendments.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) 3rd Readinq. House Bills 2nd Reading is House Bill 1357, Madam Eecretary. Read Ehe bl11.

House Bill 1357. (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Reading of the bill. No committee amendments.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Any amendments from the Floor? 78  STATE OF ILLINOIS I 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLX REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 54th Legislative Day June 29# 1991

No Floor amendments.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) 3rd Reading. With leave of the Bodyg we dll go to the Order of Resolutions. Resolutions.

Senate Resolution 6-3-4 offered by Senator Topinka. And Senate Resolution 6-3-5 offered by Senator Marovitz. Theydre congratulatory and death resolutions.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Consent Calendar. Senator Rock. What purpose -- Ladies and Gentlemen -- Senator Rock. SENATOR ROCK: ' Thank you, Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. I have discussed with Senator Philip the fact that we literally are at the mercy of the conferees on conference committee reports, and most particularly those who are engaged in the appropriations . discussions. As youdll note, Supplemental Calendar No. 2 contains the rest of the entire State budget. These are all House Bills With our Senate amendments on them. And so rather than have everybody sitting around, I'd prefer to have those who are dealing with the appropriations return to their chore, and al1 of us who have conference committees, get about the business. So I would move we stand adjourned until one o'clock tomorrow. One o'clock on Sunday.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) All right. Senate stands adjourned till -- till one o'clock tcmorrow. 79  W ' J REPORTZ TIFLDAY STATE OF ILLINOIS 92/:3/k2 PAGE: 001 87TH GERERAL ASSENBLY SENAT6 1*127:51l OAILY TRANSCRIPTION 0F éEBATE lt4DEx JUNE 29v 1:9: H:-00;O REFUSE r0 R6EEQE H:-olti REFUSE Tö REEEOE H8-0703 RECEOE HB-t1T1 REFUSE T0 RECE/E HB-t1:3 REFUSE T0 RECEBE H9-t35# SECOND READING H3-1357 SECOND READING Hb-l431 OUT OF RECORD H;- 1528 REFUSE T0 RECEDE H3-1873 REFUSE T0 RECEDE H8-1955 REFUSE T0 RECSDE 88-1982 REFUSE T0 RECEDE HB-2A9t REFUSE T0 REEE?E SB-o0#5 NOR-CONCURRENCE S:-013t CONCURRENCE S6-ût51 NON-CUNCURRENCE S;-0:58 NON-CONCURRENC: SB-026T CONCURRENCE S3-o#G7 CONCURRENCE 3B-Q65G CDNCDRRENCE 58-0659 NON-CONCURRENCE SB-071T CONCURRENEE SB-0750 NON-CONCURRENCg SB-O908 NûNDEONEURR6NEE 58-096: NDN-CONCUZRENCE 53-1023 CONEURRENCE SB-13:0 NON-CONCURRENCE SB-1310 0UT OF REEDRD 5:-1345 DISCUSSED SB- :3#5 DISCUSSED AND POSTPONED SB-l#55 NOR-CONCURRYNCE SR-063O RESOLUTION OFFERE: SR-0&31 REGSLUTION OFFERED 5R-0632 RESOLUEION OFFEREO 5R-0633 RESOLUTION OFFERED SR-063# RESOLUTION OFFEREZ 5:-0635 REGOLUTTON OFFERED :JUBJECT I'IATTER SENATE Y0 ORDER - PRESIDENT ROCK PAGE t PRAYER - REVfREND B03 HANSSN PAGE t JDURNAL - APPROVED ? PAGE 1 JOURNALS - POSTPONED PAGE 1 MESSAGES FROM THE HOUSE PAGE 2 COMMITTEE REPORTS PAGE 3 EXECUTIVE SESSION - CONSIDER APPOINTMENTS PAGE 3 INFRODUGTION OF GUEST - SENATOR VADALJBENE PAGE :6 REdARKS BY LAUNA ARRINGTON PAGE 16 RECESS PAGE 5# SENATE RECONVENES PAGE 55 MESSAGES FRON THE HOUSE PAGE 55 ADJOURRMENT PAGf 79