Illinois Senate Floor Debate — May 20, 1992

(Prayer by the Reverend Glenn Vanderkloot) I PRESIDENT ROCK: I j Thank you, Reverend. Reading of the Journal, Madam Secretary. i j I Senator Severns. '

Mr. President, I move that *he reading and approval of *he Journals of Wednesday: May 13th; Thursday, May 14th7 and Tuesday, May 19thg in the year 1992, be postponed, pending arrival of the 1 i printed Journals. !

You lve heard the motion as placed by Senator Severns. Is there any discussion? If not, a11 in favor, indicate by sayin: Aye. All opposed. The Ayes have it. The motion carries, and it is so ; ordered. A Message from the House. '

A Message from the House by Mr. O 'Brien: Clerk. Mr. President - I am directed to inform the Senate that the House of Representatives has passed bills of the following titles in the passage of which I am instructed to a:k the concurrence of the Senatey to wit: House Bills 487, 854, 1181, 2664, 2763, 2927: 3050, 3065, .3221, 3227, 3373, 3380, 3395, 3409, 3666, 3892, 4025, 4056, 4078, 4166 and 4170. Passed the House, May l9, 1992.

I l j ' STATE OF ILLINOIS . 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY i REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20# 1992 A11 right. They will be placed on the Calendar on the Order of lst Reading. Senator Mahar, #or What purpose do you arise, sir? SENATOR MAHAR: Thank you, Mr. President. Jf the time is appropriate, I'd like to seek leave to change sponsorship of a House Bill. House Bill 3105, which I am listed as the chief sponsor, I'd like to have Senator Tom Dunn listed as the sponsor -- chief sponsor, with me as a hyphenated co-sponsor. House Bill 3105. PRESIDENT ROCK: i ; Al1 right. Gentleman seeks leave to show Senator Thomas Dunn as the chief sponsor of House Bill 3105, and Senator Mahar as the hyphenated co-sponsor. Without objection, leave is granted. All right. With leave of the Body, we'11 move to page 27 on the Calendar, and I would again point out to the Members that if indeed they have been asked to assume sponsorship by a House Member, to please let the Secretary or the Assistant Secretary know , so that We can get the bills read in. House Bills 1st Reading, Madam Secretary. SECRETARY HAWKER : House Bill 2120 -- pardon me, House Bill 1129 offered by Senator Leverenz. (Secretary reads title of bill) House Bill 2132 offered by Senator Munizzi. (Secretary reads title of bill) House Bill 2711 offered by Senator Marovitz. (Secretary reads title of bill) House Bill 2723 offered by Senator Woodyard. (Secretary reads title of bill) House Bill 2736 offered by Senators Hawkinson and Jacobs . (Secretary reads title of bill) House Bill 2858 offered by Senator Friedland. (Secretary reads title of bill) 2  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legkslatkve Day May 20, 1992 House Bill 2959 offered by Senator Jan Joyce. tsecretary reads title of bill) House Bill 2966 offered by Senator Jones. (Secretary reads title of bill) House Bill 3005 offered by Senator Cullerton. lsecretary reads tktle of bill) House Bill 3054 offered by Senator Cullerton. (Secretary reads title of bill) House Bill 3055 offered by Senator Cullerton. tsecretary reads title of bill) House Bill 3056 offered by Senator Cullerton. (Secretary reads title of bill) House Bill 3092 offered by Senator Berman. (Secretary reads title of bill) House Bill 3100 offered by Senator Cullerton. (Secretary reads title of bill) House Bill 3101 offered by Senator Ralph Dunn. (Secretary reads title of bill) House Bill 3104 offered by Senator O 'Daniel. (Secretary reads title of bill) House Bill 3160 offered by Senators Rea and Holmberg. (Secretary reads title of bill) House Bill 3168 offered by Senator Maitland. (Secretary reads title of bill) House Bill 3185 offered by Senator J .E. Joyce. (Secretary reads title of bill) House Bill 3187 offered by Senator Jacobs. (Secretary reads title of bill) House Bill 3204 offered by Senator Cullerton. (Secretary reads title of bill) House Bill 3288 offered by Senator J .E. Joyce. (Secretary reads title of bill)  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENEM L ASSEMBLY REGULM SESSION SENATE TM NSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 House Bill 3329 offered by Senator Maitland . (Seeretary reads title of bill) House Bill 3385 offered by Senator Berman. (Secretary reads kitle of bill) House Bill 3438 offered by @enator Jacobs. (Seeretary reads kitle of bill) House Bill 3484 offered by Senaeor Eeheredge. (Secretary reads title of bill) House Bill 3487 offered by Senator Rea . (Seeretary reads title of bill) House Bill 3568 offered by Senators Thomas Dunn and Butler . (Seeretary reads title of bill) House Bill 3585 offered by Senator Demuzio . (Seeretary reads title of bill) House Bill 3599 offered by Senators Watson and Vadalabene. (Secretary reads title of bill) House Bill 3645 offered by Senator Woodyard. (Seeretary reads title of bill) House Bill 3754 offered by Senator Woodyard . (Secretary reads title of bill) House Bill 3786 offered by Senators Davidson and Luft. (Seeretary reads title of bill) House Bill 3808 offered by Senator Severns . (Secretary reads title of bill) House Bill 3867 offered by Senator Philip. (Seeretary reads title of bill) House Bill 3971 offered by Senator Leverenz . (Seeretary reads title of bill) House Bi11 4107 offered by Senator Holmberg. (Seeretary reads title of bill) And House Bill 4144 offered by Senator Berman. (Secretary reads title of bill) 4  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 I And House 9il1 3374 offered by Senator Topinka. (Secretary reads title of bill) lst Reading of the bills.

Rules Committee. Resolutions.

Senate Resolution 1287 offered Senator Karpkel. Senate Resolution 1288 offered by Senators Madigan and all Members. And Senate Resolution 1289 offered by Senator Madigan and a1l Members. They dre a1l congratulatory.

Consent Calendar. A1l right. Ladies and Gentlemenz if I can have your attention, it is again the -- the proposed schedule is that We will get on to the Calendar and work until again approximately five o 'clock, When We will then deal with the Agreed Bill List as the last Order of Business. So we will begin on Senate Bills 2nd Reading, and we Will again first go through the substantive bills - the substantive bills on Senate 2nd - then We will deal with Recalls, and thep we will move again to Senate Bills 2nd Reading and Work op the appropriation bills. Senator Geo-Karis, for what purpose do you arise?

Mr. President and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate, there's a request for a Republiaan Caucus in Senator James ''Pate'l Philip's rOOm . PRESIDENT ROCE 1 That request is in order . A11 right. There '11 be a Republican Caucus immediately in Senator Philip 's Office . The Senate will stand in Recess for approximately one hour . We will reconvene at 11 :30. Republican Caucus immediately in Senator 5  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 Philip 's Office. (RECESS) (SENATE FECONVENES)

The hour of tWelve-thirty having arrived, the Senate will please come to order. Messages from the House.

A Message from the House by Mr. O 'Brien: Clerk. Mr. President - I am directed to inform the Senate that khe House of Representatives has passed bills of ehe following titles, in the passaqe of which I am instructed to ask the concurrence of the Senate, to wit: House Bills 2645, 2667, 2730, 2857, 3230, 3257, 3463, 3464, 3801, 4191, 2903, 3197, 3252, 3323, 3422, 3437: 3439, 3569: 3607 and 3711. Passed the House, May 20g 1992.

Resolutions.

Senate Resolution 1290 offered by Senator Cullerton. It is congratulatory.

Consent Calendar. A11 right. Ladies and Gentlemen, as previously announced, We will begin on the Order of Senate Bills 2nd Readingr and wedll go through *he substantive bills and then go through the appropriation bills and then move to 3rd Reading . Yes. Benator Joyce, for what purpose do you arise? 6  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992

Thank you, Mr. President and Members of the Senate. I would like the record to reflect that I rose this day to express my . gratitude and appreciation for all the kindnesses bestoWed upon me by my colleagues in this Chamber durin: the last fourteen years. Thank you.

The record Will so reflect. I would alert the Members Within the sound of my voice that we dre going to begin on page 2 on the Calendar, on the Order of Senate Bills 2nd Reading, and go through the substantive bills and then the appropriation bills, and then Welll move directly to 3rd Reading to handle the Recalls and final action. A1l right. Ladies and Gentlemen, welre going to begin on page 2 on the Calendar. On the Order of Senate Bills 2nd Reading, Senate Bill 1468. Senator Jones. Read the bill, Madam Secretary, please.

Senate Bill 1468. (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Reading of the bill. No committee amendments.

Are there amendments from the Floor?

Senator Jones offers Amendm#nt No. 1.

Senator Jones.

Yeah. Thank you, Mr. President and Members of the Senate. Amendment No. l classifies the definition of the practice of naprapathy. It renames Naprapathic Licensing and Disciplinary Committee as the Naprapathic Examining Committee: and requires I applicants from a two-year college-level program. Creates a fee I ! 7  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 schedule until 5/94. Ninety percent of the fees shall be deposited in the Naprapathic Examining Committee Pund and ten percent shall be deposited into GRF. Changes the effective date from 60 days after it becomes 1aw to l50 days. This is What the amendment does, and I move its adoption.

Senator Jones has moved the adoption of Amendment No. 1 to Senate Bill 1468. Discussion? Senator Davidson.

Question of the spbnsor.

Sponsor indicates he will yield, Senator Davidson.

Senator Jones, on the first page, I think the fourth -- about the fourth paragraph , where youlre gokn: to have referral to the naprapath under normal past years and Supreme Court decision that under the Illinois Medical Practice Act, chiropractors, M .D.S and osteopaths are all physicians. And you specifically say in this, ''physician, osteopath, dentist, or podiatristo'' Are you, in effect, tellin: me you dre cuttin: out my ability to refer a paEient to a naprapath?

Senator Jones.

That is not the intent. This is the amendment that -- that had been worked on. I just gok *he amendment myself, and that is not the intent, as I see 1t.

Senator Davidson.

Well, whatever I agree that's not the intent, but in talking to my legal expert to my right - he says donît bring him 8  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 in it, but I asked -- that it could be construed. Could you -- if this oes on, will you bring it back tomorrow and correct it?

Senator Jones . SENATOR JONES : j Well, the intent of that particular Section is for them to receive referrals z and if there is a problem there , then we can clear it up : but that's not the intent to -- to eliminate chiropractors from referring.

Senator Davidson.

Well , I -- I -- it 's my understanding that was not your ! intent, but there's three or four different places in this proposed amendment that -- paragraph 4, paragraph 5, paragraph 6, paragraph 7, that needs to be corrected. And With that correction, I would appreciate it.

A11 right. Senator Jones has moved the adoption of Amendment No. l to Senate Bill 1468. Further discussion? If not, a11 in favor, indicate by saying Aye. A11 opposed. The Ayes have it. The amendment's adopted. Are there further amendments? !

No further amendments.

3rd Reading. 1479. Senator Carroll. Madam Secretary, read the bill, please.

Senate Bill 1479. (Secretary reads title of bill) lst Reading -- pardon me, 2nd Reading of the bill. No committee amendments . 9  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY 1 REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20# 1992 PRESIDENT ROCK: I Any amendments from the Floor? SECRETARY HAWKER: Senator Carroll offers Amendment No . 1. PRESIDENT ROCK: Senator Carroll, on Amendment No. 1. SENATOR CARROLL: Thank you, Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. The Members have -- I have had cause to be placed on the desk of the Members the report of thq special panel that was created by this Chamber and the House to deal with the issue of pharmaceutical assistance for our fixed-income, low-income senior citizens. That panel met several tlmes, both in Chicago and Springfield, and had Members of the General Assembly, members of AARP, members of other seniors groups, members of organized labor, members of pharmacies, pharmaceuticals, and just about anybody else you could think of, both as members or partieipants in the discussion of how to deal with the problem that we created last year in puttinq a cap on the amount of life-sustaining drugs our lower-income seniors were receiving from the State, in lieu of the Circuit Breaker grant. The recommendation of that panel, though not -- truly not unanimous, the recommendation is contained in this report, and 1111 brlefly go through it with you. The panel was, at least by those who were participating, unanimous in the following things: one, khe cap was devastating on seniors and had to be eliminated, something Ehat the administration totally agrees wikh; two, that the catastrophic needs - those people who are well above the eight-hundred-dollar cap - had to be addressed, and to the dollars available. We had to make sure that as many of them received as much as possible in these heart medicines, insulin medkcknes and the rheumatoid arthritkc medicines. What we had recognized, though - and I think there was unanimity at least of 1Q n  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENEFAL ASSEMBLY REGULAF SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20# 1992 those who where there at the last meeting - having come to those conclusions and having looked at other taxes and other sources to pay for this, which, it was clear in the beginning meetings, would not be available, how do you do the most with what we had this year - Fiscal '92 - and help the most people? One of the things we recognized - with some great help, I might add, coming out the City of Bloomington and Mary Ann Erickson, who's truly an expert who deals in the field day-to-day and gave us some good guidance that we, as members, would not have known - is that if you overrequire the senior to pay too much in the first months, they just don't have it. So if you say, for example, that a senior has to pay a hundred and fifty or two hundred dollars a month the first month to get the drugs, youdve really told them youîre not going to let them have any drugs. What a fixed-income senior - somebody making under seven thousand -- it's actually about sixty-eight hundred under the poverty level under federal guidelinez or fourteen thousand - are the only ones eligible, they need stability in being able to budget for these drugs. What we have recommended, following the Governor's suggestion, is that th:re be an entry fee, but it be adjusted, as he didz based on the poverty level guidelines: either forty dollars for those below, or eighty dollars for those above. Secondly, that there be a deductible over the twelve months. Instead of hitting them very hard at the beginning and lighter later, there be a deductible, so there 's their consistency. And again, using the poverty level, we said fifteen dollars a month for those below it, twenty-five dollars a month for those aboye it. Third, that when the amount of out-of -- of out-of-pocket eypense by the State - what the State pays - gets to eight hundred dollars, which had been the cap, at that point then, the senior would pay twenty percent of anything above that. Now that's about a thousand dollars' worth of pharmaceutical drugs to get to the eight-hundred-dollar level 11  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20# 1992 that the State pays. So after a -- a senior has about a thousand dollars -- after a senior has about a thousand dollars in expense, then they would have to pay approximately twenty percent of the difference. What we have given you is a comparison between the bill offered by the Governor and this proposal, suggested by the panel. And basically youdll see that the difference is that for the overwhelming majority of the fixed-income, low-income seniors, their cash outlay would be significantly less under this plan, particularly in the early months, and it would not really cost them more, unttl you get up to those people who are at about sixteen hundred a year or more in pharmaceutlcal assistance. We have a spread given to us by th# Department of Revenue, of where the people fall and how much they use,and I think you will find thak the -- of the hundred and eight thousand: probably a hundred thousand are much better impacted by this plan, and more importantly, it provides for their financial need and their health needs. I would urge adoption of the amendment and answer any questions.

All right. Senator Carroll has moved the adoption of Amendment No. 1 to Senate Bill 1479. Discussion? Senator Fawell.

Thank you very much. Senator -- will the Senator yield for a question?

Indicates he will yield, Senator Pawell.

Senatorz this seems to be a very involved, very long amendment, and it also seems to be one that is goinq to cost a considerable amount of money. I have looked al1 over my desk; I don't see a copy of that amendment, and lt seems to me if Wedre going to start voting on things that are literally goin: to 12  STATE OP ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAF SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 cost millions of dollars, We ought to have some idea What in the World wedre talking about. So, you know, I would ask, first of all, has been distributed?

Senator Carroll.

Senator, think it was even distributed yesterday, and we gave you a copy of the report today. It is not long or involved; in fact, it's the opposite. The Governor's plan was very complicated, because at different levels of spending there were different copayments. That's what hurt the seniors and made very confusing for pharmacists and administrators. He had, for example, of the first two hundred you gave -- you spent fifty percent; of the next two hundredz forty percent; of the next two hundred, thirty percent; of the next two hundred, twenty percent; and then ten percent thereafter. can't even get that out in one breath. This says you pay a copayment across time, the same a1l the time. Now in addition to the amendment, which runs five pages, the report has also been given to you. Again a copy was delivered to your office, a copy was distributed today on the desks: and we'd be happy to give you another copy.

Senator Fawell.

You know, my secretary happens to have broken her shoulder; that may be part of the reason I don 't have it in my office. I do not have it on my desk. I've been looking a1l the time youfve been talking. I do not have it on my desk.

Would somebody be kind enough to send a copy over to Senator Pawell?

STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 I was wondering if you could tell me how what's the estimated additional cost over the -- the Governor's budget?

Senator Carroll.

The estimated cost of this program is under forty-seven million dollars for the year. Now let me explain that. And 1911 explain the answer to you even more directly to your question. It was estimated that before Senate Bill 45, we were spending about seventy-two million dollars a year. The Governor proposed for Fiscal 192, the year we are currently in, originally a spending plan up to about fifty-one and a half million dollars. Because of some savinqs, they have projected forty-seven million dollars of spending for this, the current fiscal year. The Governor had recommended cutting that by another five and a half million dollars. Our understanding last year, when we imposed the eight-hundred-dollar cap was that the moneys we spent this year, Fiscal '92 - about forty seven million dollars - would be how much we would have to spend for Fiscal '93. That is not the way his bill came in. It is the way a11 of those who were in the conference understood it to be for this year, but he proposed another five and a half million dollar taking from fixed-income seniors in the pharmaceutical line. My opinion and this approach of the panel - was that if we lived within the '92 Fiscal Year numbers - Which is greater than the Governor was suqgesting for '93 - but if we lived within the I92 numbers and provided for the catastrophic help for those who were well over the eight-hundred-dollar limit, we did yeoman's worky and thatfs the number we should drive for. That's the number that's in -- that this bill Would cause to be spent. Somewhere between forty-five and forty-seven million dollars, depending upon what the pharmaceutical costs end up being. Yesterday we were given 14  STATE 0r ILLINOIS 87th GCNERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20z 1992 information that has been published by the pharmaceutical houses. The Governor originally suggested that there would be a ten-percent increase in the cost of druqs. The houses had indicated on May 12th, in formal announcementse that their increases were between 4 and 4.l percent for almost a11 of the drugs that were covered under this program . They were 7.1 percent last year, and not the 10 percent projected, and they're coming in at 4 and 4.1. And in fact, Mevacor, which is one of the big drugs, is down 10 percent below last year. So that our total cost should be well under the forty-seven million, maybe forty-five million, which will be less then we spent in Fiscal 192, but a couple million more than the Governor wanted to spend in '93.

Further discussion? Senator Maitland. SENATOR MAITLAND: ! Thank you very much, Mr. President. Members of the Senate, it 1 1 ! -- whatever we do With this issue this year, it's going to be ! better than it was last year and better than What it Was the year ! before; there 's no question about that. And, Senator Carroll, I - - I recognize the fact that you and -- and many othersz and j perhaps me to a lesser extent, have worked hard on this issue for r a number of months, and -- and again it is a better proposal than i what we had before. I think there may well be better proposals, howevery than this one, and I -- I've got a question that I truly don't know the answer to. Is there a generic requirement here? It doesn't mention that in the bill, I don't believe.

Senator Carroll. SENATOR CARROLL: i 1 ! Yes, there is, and it's my understanding that currently it's : : somethin: like two or three percent of all the drug usages used are generic or there is no generic equivalent. This still ' 15  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 requires generic, as I understand it, and that -- that -- that's 1 . set by Revenue in its rules - am I correct - by Department of ; Revenue, and thatls what they testified to. That was not an issue. In other words, the Department -- as I understood it, Senator Maitland, the Department and al1 the players were comfortable that generics Were going to be required.

Senator Maitland.

Senator, in my -- in my reading of -- of the new draft, they have struck the language in -- in the Statute that -- that refers to generic, and I -- I didn't know there were rules and regulations then that provided this -- this guideline.

Further discussion? Senatoy Macdonald.

Thank you, Mr. President. I rise on a point of personal privilege, as...

State your point.

I have some guests with me this morning from Alexian Brothers Medical Center; Susan Redford, who is the vice president of development; Janet Lynn, and Nancy Vanderweel. Will you help me welcome them to the Illinois -- to Springfield, please.

Will our guests please stand and be recognized. Welcome to Springfield. Senator Maitland.

Well, Mr. President, I think I asked Senator Carroll a question.

16  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENEKAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 Would you mind restating the question? The Chair -- the Chair did not take it as a question. The Chair took it as a statement. Senator Carroll, statement to statement.

1911 try and keep the answer briefer. The only part we took out was the copayment, because there is no five-dollar or ten-dollar copayment plan under this amendment. Instead, it's the fifteen/twenty-five dollar monthly. There is still the requirement for generic. There's still the requirement that if a person insists on a brand when there is a generic available, the - - the user must pay the difference.

Senator Maitland.

It's my understanding, Senator Carroll, that -- that -- that the rules refer to what the Department Will reimburse the pharmacists. This does not refer to the requirement of the recipient to use qeneric drugs. And I -- you know, that concerns me. You may or may not know the answer to that, but I think that's a very critical point. Let me -- let me -- let me proceed, Mr. President, if I might. This -- this proposal offered here today, and I think the Body ought to be aware of -- of this - and again, it is better than what we had last year - but if you look at -- if you look at where we were a year ago and look at where we are today, we are eliminating the cap - we are eliminating the cap - and one of Eh9 proposals -- one of th9 suggestions made by *he kask force in the very beginning was this be truly a catastrophic program. And we believed in that very strongly. And with the proposal that you have before you today, there is no -- no copayment up to eight hundred dollars, and so there really is no incentive up to that level, until after you reach eight hundred dollars, and then there is a requirement of a copayment. And I 1 17  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 think -- I think if we looked to some of the other proposals that were available to us and -- and, Senator Carroll, you mentioned the fact that it might have been more cumbersome, but the fact of the matter is, it did require a copayment from the very beginning, and then as you work up the ladder, that copayment, addressing the catastrophic nature of this issue, dropped. And I think that is critically important, and that's the kind of a program we can build on. It seems to me that the proposal that We have before us has somewhat of a disincentive built into it. And the final point I Would make would be one that was made earlier: It does definitely have a budgetary consideration that must be addressed today. It is some six or seven million dollars above that that was in the Governor's budget. And I would -- would suggest perhaps a rejection of this proposalz and a subsequent offer made later on another issue.

Further discussion? Senatoç Demuzio.

I just Wanted to ask one question of the sponsor, might. It seems -- when Senator Maitland refers to takinq off the cap, What the actuality is, is that any senior Who is above the eight hundred dollars - who is maxed out - at that point, he then begins to pay twenty percent of the balance over the eight hundred dollars. Is that correct?

Senator Carroll.

That is correct.

Senator Demuzio.

Why then, in the allocation of the Governor's budget, then 18  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20z 1992 there is some forty-six million dollars for this program , and I didn't catch how much it was -- the total cost Was.

Senator Carroll.

We're -- wedre projecting a total cost to this program of about forty-six million dollars, while the Governor in '92 had forty-seven millionz in '93 he was suggesting forty-one and a half.

Senator Demuzio.

I don't want to belabor this, but can to tell me how many people have been knocked off now that have maxed out at eight hundred dollars and no longer are participating in the program, 'cause I -- I know that this is a big issue in my dlstrict. Do you have any numbers to -- to indicate how many people are maxed out over the eight hundred dollars now and no longer qualify?

Senator Carroll.

I would hazard to guess Ehat it's about twenty thousand.

Senator Demuzio.

Well: I'm going to support this proposal because, 1'11 tell you, that the fact of the matter is that even though we are increasing the copay, obviously that's fair, because you 've split it down. I assume that the -- the low-income people have to certify some document With respect to their income, and therefore they are treated differently then those Who are above the poverty level and therefore can afford the additional cost. I think the 19  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 biggest problem that ve have out here is the fact that those individuals who have maxed out at the eight-hundred-dollar level and above, this will obviously give us some controls on -- on the program which we didn't have in the beginning. As I remember correctly, this program started out at five million dollars and then last year -- I don't know what Was, but was in the multi-hundreds of millions of dollars. But at least this will afford those individuals who are above the eight-hundred-dollar level who need these additional drugs would qualify, and I'm going to support Thank you.

Further discussion on Amendment No. 1? Senator Watson.

Yes, thank you, Mr. President. One of the zuccesses of the proqram, Senator Carroll, last year, was -- was the copay . And the fact that what it did was really put the emphasis on those people receiving the medication to use generic, because of the five-dollar, ten-dollar difference. Now you 're taking that copayment out, I understand, and from what I see from the language here, youdre -- it youfre s#riking the language that says when a generic drug is dispensed, and ten dollars When a brand name is dispensed -- dispensed. So what -- what you 're doing, you're taking that incentive away from the individual to use generic drugs, Which is -- was a major factor in the suecess of the -- of the savings in regard to this particular proposal we used last year. So I think whaE youdre doing here is heading in *he Wrong direction. understand the catastrophic approach, and I understand what you're trying to do, but I think what -- What's happening out there riqht noW is that as people are reachin: that eight-hundred-dollar cap, naturally we 're hearing from those -- those individuals at this point in time. And as later on in the year goes -- qoes by, why, weAll be hearing from more and more as 20  STATE OP ILLIXOIS 87th GENEKAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 1 they reach that cap. But up until that cap, they can use brand name and, as a result, the cost of the program is going to probably be greater than what youfre anticipating. So I think What -- altbough I understand what you're doing and certainly the ! high end of -- of the program those people will be protected, I'm I concerned about what's happeninq at the lower ende and then that disincentive in regard to the generic issue. So I think we ought to defeat this amendment. PRESIDENT ROCK: Further discussion on Amendnent No. 1? Senator Carroll, you can -- wish to close? SENATOR CARROLL: i Thank you, Mr. President. Let me correct Senator Watson and others in just a few closing comments. First of all, even the Governor's new proposal no longer carries the five and ten dollar. All he did was say fifty percent of the first two hundredr forty percent of the next two hundred, and so on; so that a senior had to come significantly out of pocket in the early months of the program. Secondly, a senior who decided to use the generie -- I'm sorry, to use a brand instead of qeneric, has two thkngs happening. First, they have to pay more, because theydre only -- : the pharmacist is only reimbursed ageneric. Secondly,even if 1 i that were not the case, Senator Watson, which I suggest it isy they'd be usin: up their eight hundred dollars very quickly, and therefore, not have anything left. But third and more important, a11 of those who met on the program - from AAPP, who endorsed this particular proposal, to the Older Womenfs League, the Diabetes i Associationyandyes,theRetailMerchants,the pharmacistsz the pharmaceutical people, the labor unions and a11 of the others Who j ' participated - recognized that you 9et the same benefit by I charging the monthly and spreading it out for them over time; you get the same benefit by charging them the entry fee and getting 21 I  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 the benefit over time. The point of the generic, which is i I ninety-seven percent of the usage, is to have them say to their doctors also, ''I don't want to go over that eight-hundred-dollar limit, because then I'm going to have to start paying.n We spent probably two full meetings discussing the best Way to handle that, and that was their collective wisdom, particularly those who work in the field - and I aqain cite Mary Ann Erickson, who does an outstanding job in McLean County - and -- and then -- thatls how We arrived at that particular decision. I think the bottom line is this: Do we want a pharmaceutical assistance program that will help our low-income seniors? Do we want to eliminate the cap Without bankrupting them so that they do not have food or shelter during the early months of a program? If we want a program, we've got to spread the cost over time, over the twelve months. We should in fact use this year's dollar level and try and help those who are most in need and those Who are cut off at catastrophic coverage. It was the collective wlsdom that this is the best approach, and I would urge its adoption.

Senator Carroll's moved the adoption of Amendment No. l to Senate Bill 1479. Purther discussion? If not: a11 in favor, indicate by saying Aye. Roll call has been requested. Those in favor of the adoption of the amendment will vote Aye. Opposed will vote Nay . And the voting ls open. All voted Who Wish? Have a1l voted who wish? A11 voted Who wish? Have a11 voted Who wish? A11 voted who wish? Take the record. On that question, there are 33 Ayes: 20 Nays, none voting Present. The amendment is adopted. Purther amendments?

No further amendments.

3rd Reading. 1495. Senator Smith. 1529. Senator Karpiel. i 22  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLX REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20# 1992 1533. Senator Severns. Read the bill, Madam Secretary, please.

Senate Bill 1533. (Secretary reads tikle of bill) 2nd Reading of the bill. The Committee on Insurance, Pensions and Licensed Activities offers Committee Amendment No. 1. PRESIDENT ROCK: I Senator Severns, on Committee Amendment No. 1.

Thank you, Mr. President, Members of the Senate. Committee Amendment No. 1 simply added the Skate Employee Group Insurance Plan to the -- the bill.

Senator Severns moved the adoption of Committee Amendment No. I l to Senate Bill 1533. Discussion? If not, a1l in favor, indicate by saying Aye. Al1 opposed. The Ayes have it. The amendment's adopted. Further amendments?

Committee Amendment No. 2.

; Senator Severns, on Committee Amendment No. 2. i SENATOR SEVERNS: i Committee Amendment No. 2 is simply technical, clarifying the intent.

Senator Severns has moved the adoption of Committee Amendment No. 2 to Senate Bill 1533. Discussion? If not, a1l in favor, indicate by saying Aye. All opposed. The Ayes have it. The amendment's adopted . Further amendments?

No further committee amendments.

1 23  STATE 0P ILLINOIS 87*h GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legkslative Day May 20, 1992 Any amendments from the Floor?

Senator Severns offers Amendment No. 3.

Senator Severns, on Amendment No. 3.

Thank you, Mr. President and Members of the Senate. Amendment No. simply incorporates Committee Amendments No. 1 and 2, as well as the agreement reached between the Association of Community Cancer Centers and the Illinois Life Insurance Council, stemming from questions that were raised in committee. I believe it's a good compromise, and would urge its adoption.

Senator Severns has moved the adoption of Amendment No. to Senate Bill 1533. Discussion? Senator Madigan.

Thank you, Mr. President. just wanted to arise to compliment the sponsor on her willingness to work on this matter - very important makter - and bring it to a situation or a position Where everyone is very satisfied With the With the measure.

Senator Severns has moved the adoption of Amendment No. to Senate Bill 1533. Discussion? If not, al1 in favor, indicate by saying Aye. All opposed. The Ayes have it. The amendment's adopted . Further amendments?

No further amendments.

3rd Reading. 1542. Senator Joyce. 1555. Senator Fawell. Read the bill, Madam Secretary, please. 1555.

Senate Bill 1555. 24  STATE OP ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Reading of the bill. No committee amendments.

Are there amendments from the Floor?

Senators Fawell and Hawkinson offer Amendment No. 1. PRESIDENT ROCK: i Senator Fawell.

Thank you very much. This is the stalking bill. It creates the offense of stalking and aggravated stalking. The amendment basically becomes the bill. The stalking knowingly transmits a threat which places a person in reasonable apprehension of death, bodily harm, sexual assault, confinement or restraint, and on two separate occasions the defendant either follows the person or places it under surveillance. It also ereates aggravated stalking, which means stalking with a deadly Weapon, causes bodily harm, confines or restrains the victim, sexually assaults the victim, or violates an organ -- order of protection or injunction prohibiting contract Ksic> (contact) with victims. Stalking becomes a Class 4 felony. Aggravated stalking becomes a Class 3 felony. The defendant can be denied bail if, after a hearing: the court determines that the defendant poses a real and present danger to the physical safety of any person, and is necessary to prevent fulfillment of the threat on Which the charge is based, which is a similar current law on denial of bail. And if the defendant is convicted of the defense Ksic> (offense) and is sentenced to the Department of Corrections, the court may order the Prison Review Board to consider, as a condition of supervised release upon completion of the sentence, that the defendant go to the mental health counseling. I Would ask your support. I Would be willing to answer any questions. 25  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20# 1992

Senator Fawell has moved the adoption of Amendment No. to Senate Bill 1555. Discussion? If not, a1l in favor, indicate by saying Aye. All opposed. The Ayes have it. The amendment's adopted. Further amendments?

No further amendments.

3rd Reading . 1556. Senator Luft. Read the bill, Madam Secretary.

Senate Bill 1556. (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Reading of the bill. No committee amendments.

Any amendments from the Floor?

No Ploor amendments.

3rd Reading. 1567. Senator Cullerton. Read the bill, Madam Secretaryz please.

Senate Bill 1567. (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Reading of the bill. The Committee on Transportation offers Committee Amendment No.

Senator Cullerton.

I would ask to table Committee Amendment No. please.

Gentleman has moved to table Committee Amendment No. to 26  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 i Senate Bill 1567. Discussion? If not, all in favor of the Motion to Table, indicate by saying Aye. A11 opposed. The Ayes have it. The motion carries. Amendment No. 1 is tabled. Are there further amendments? SECRETARY HAWKER: No further committee amendments. PRESIDENT ROCK: Any amendments from the Floor? SECRETARY HAWKER: Senators Woodyard and Watson offer Amendment No. 2. PRESIDENT ROCK: Withdraw . Further amendments? SECRETARY HAWKER: Amendment No. 2 offered by Senator Woodyard. PRESIDENT ROCK: Senator Woodyard. Withdraw. Further amendments? SECRETARY HAWKER: No further amendments. PRESIDENT ROCK: 3rd Reading. 1570. Senator Davidson. Read the bill, Madam Secretary, please. SECRETARY HAWKER: Senate Bill 1570. (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Reading of the bill. No committee amendments. PRESIDENT ROCK: Any amendments from the Floor? SECRETARY HAWKER: Senator Davidson offers Amendment No. 1. PRESIDENT ROCK: Senator Davidson, on Amendment No . 1. SENATOR DAVIDSON: ! 27 I  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENENAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20z 1992 Mr. President and Members of the Senate, this was agreed to in Judiciary Committee that we tighten up this part of qiving a good Samaritan to those people who are involved in a motor accident -- the motor vehicle call -- law -- calls for you involved in an accident to render aid, but doesn't give you any immunity for rendering it, and this does that. This is an agreed-on amendment between Senator Dunn and myself, and I move the adoption of the amendment.

Senator Davidson's moved the adoption of Amendment No. l to Senate Bill 1570. Discussion? If not, all in favor, indicate by saying Aye. Al1 opposed. The Ayes have it. The amendment's adopted . Further amendments?

No further amendments.

3rd Reading. 1599. Top of page 3, Ladies and Gentlemen. The top of page 3. 1603. Senator Carroll. 1616. I1m sorry. Senator Carroll. 1603. Read the bill, Madam Secretary.

Senate Bill 1603. (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Reading of the bill. No committee amendments.

Any amendments from the Floor?

No Floor amendments.

3rd Reading. 1616. Senator Jacobs. Read the bill, Madam Secre*ary, please.

Senate Bill 1616. 28  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Reading of the bill. The Committee on Agriculture and Conservation offers Committee Amendment No. 1.

Senator Jacobs, on Conmittee Amendment No. 1.

Thank you, Mr. President. Committee Amendment No. l restores substantially the same provisions of the -- the -- excuse me, is this committee? Which one are we...

Committee Amendment No. 1.

All right. Committee Amendment No. 1 creates the Recreational Trails of Illinois Act and then creates the trust fund, and details the purposes for which the money in the fund may or may not be disbursed. I know of no opposition. We have a couple other amendments that follow that cleans it up.

Senator Jacobs has moved the adoption of Committee Amendment No. l to Senate Bill 1616. Discussion? If not, al1 in favor, indicate by saying Aye. Al1 opposed. The Ayes have it. The amendment's adopted. Purther amendments? 1

No further committee amendments.

Any amendments from the Floor?

Senator Jacobs offers Amendment No. 2.

Senator Jacobs, on Amendment No. 2.

Thank you, Mr. President. Amendment No. 2 replaces the 29  STATE OP ILLINOIS 87th GENEFAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 committee amendment...

Senator Jacobs...

...and -- and it -- it eliminates the four-wheel-drive vehicles and requires members of the boards to be nominated with respect to recreational trail organization and permits only the Symms Act money to be used for off-road vehicles. And this is part of the ongoing effort to work out a few of the minor problems. I don 't know of any opposition to this.

Senator Jacobs has moved the adoption of Amendment No. 2 to Senate Bill 1616. Discussion? If not, all in favor, indicate by saying Aye. Al1 opposed. The Ayes have it. The amendment 's adopted. Are there further amendments?

Amendment No. 3 offered by Senator Jacobs.

Senator Jacobs, on Amendment No. 3.

This is the last one, hopefully. Amendment No. 3 strictly clarifies that portion of the motor fuel taxes collected and not rebated that are are attributable to to sales of motor fuels, and off-highway recreational vehicles shall be transferred each month to the Recreational Trails Fund. We had a little problem wiEh the -- the off-road vehicles and the refunds from the motor fuel tax. This clarifies that issue, and I don't know of any opposition to this amendment.

Senator Jacobs has moved the adoption of Amendment No. 3 to Senate Bill 1616. Discussion? If not, al1 in favor, indicate by saying Aye. Al1 opposed. The Ayes have it. The amendment's 30  STATE 0F ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLX REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 adopted. Further amendments?

No further amendments.

3rd Reading. 1636. 1665. Senator Jacobs. Read the bill, Madam Secretary.

Senate Bill 1665. (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Reading of the bill. No committee amendments.

Any amendments from the Floor?

Amendment No. 1 offered by @enator Jacobs.

Senator Jacobs, on Amendment No. 1.

Yes. Mr. President and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate, Committee Amendment No. l really puts this bill in the same posture as what the State of Iowa has done in regards to a concept regarding Quad City economic development and a federal project. This bill is in no way in its proper form. I'd like to see it move along. We have -- we have had some discussions, preliminarily, with the Governor's Office. There's some problems there, and We want to maybe change the -- the tone of this legislation, but we'd like Eo move it on at this point.

Senator Jacobs has moved the adoption of Amendment No. l to Senate Bill 1665. Discussion? Senator Rigney. Senator Rigney, we 're not working? I'm afraid youdre going to have to ask Senator Dunn to utilize his microphone. Yours appears to be short circuiEed here. Senator Rlgney. 31  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992

Are we on now? Okay. Like to ask a couple of questions about this proposed amendment, if I could.

Sponsor indicates he will yield, Senator Rigney.

Now I understand that this legislation is limited only to the Quad Cities area to try to attract this facility; itls not Statewide in nature. Is that correct?

Senator Jacobs.

Senator, that's one of the points I was getting at. As this bill is currently written -- what we did was took the Iowa language. As it's written, it's not in its proper form , and even this particular concept may be scrapped, but I have no qualms with this being, you know, attributed anywhere in the 'State. There may be some problems from the administration on this. We would prefer to be able to handle our own wash, and what wedre planning on doinq with this legislation in the end result is to allow for a quarter-cent sales tax in Rock Island County for this purpose, by referendum. So this bill may not even end up having this in its - - in its final form. But I would like to move the bill alon: because it's the only thing I've got out there with the Quad City Regional Economic Development Authority.

Senator Rigney.

In its present form, does it not have a dedicated two cent off of the income tax that would go, you know, to whatever's going to be done in that area? It's a dtrect two-cent hit on the income tax? 32  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 i .

Senator Jacobs.

Yes. Yes, Senator, it's a value-added jobs. We tie it to this proposal, but again, as I indicatez this proposal, before it would be moved in its -- in its present form anywhere along the line: any further than what it has been, is going to have to be in conjunction with the Governords Office, and -- and this Body. And at this point, as it sits, this legislation is not standingy in my estimakion, in good favor at this point. It's limited, as What it is, to the administration. It's my commitment to you - al1 I want to do is to keep the bill alive - this portion may be removed in its entirety.

Senator Rigney.

Well, I guess maybe wedre kind of down to a shell bill on this subject, and I've pointed out what I consider to be tWo rather strong objections to this legislation. But if it's just for the sake of movin: it along, and it's going to be changed significantly at some later point, at this point then, maybe I don't object to seeing it moved.

All right. Senator Jacobs has moved the adoption of Amendment No. 1 to Senate Bill 1665. Further discussion? If not, a11 in favor, indicate by saying Aye. Al1 opposed. The Ayes have it. The amendment's adopted. Further amendments?

No further amendments.

3rd Reading. 1667. Senator Leverenz. Read the billy Madam Secretary, please. 33  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legkslatkve Day May 20, 1992

Senate Bill 1667. (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Readin: of the bill. No committee amendments.

Any amendments from the Floor?

Senator Leverenz offers Amendment No.

Senator Leverenz, on Amendment No.

Thank you, Mr. President. The amendment would clarify a part of the original bill, and that is to separate out the constitutional officers from the other State agencies, in that the Comptroller would make payments for the State officers, and that CMS would handle the other payments through the State agencies. It further goes on to amend the bill to provide a Personal <sic> (Personnel) Services Revolving Fund for the Department of Central Management Services. And it would permit fees received by CMS for personal services - personnel services to pay into the fund, and provides for those appropriations from the fund on the expenses related to the services to the State agencies. Very similar to the Automotive Revolving Fund. Answer any questions you might have, and move the adoption of the amendment.

A11 riqht. Gentleman has moved the adoption of Amendment No. to Senate Bill 1667. Discussion? Senator Madlgan.

Thank you, Mr. President. Question of the sponsor.

Sponsor indicates he will yield, Senator Madigan.

34  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT . 107th Legislative Day May 20: 1992 I Perhapsthatamendmentaddressesthequestion thatI have,but l it wasn't clear in your presentation, Senator. If -- if this were to become law, would the CMS be allowed to issue vouchers without a constitutional officer's authorization?

Senator Leverenz.

I appreciate your question. I think to get to the root of the question, the Comptroller would make the payment, but only after the State constitutional officer would approve that payment.

Further discussion? If not, Senator Leverenz has moved the adoption of Amendmenk No. l to Senate Bill 1667. A11 in favor, indicate by saying Aye. Al1 opposed. The Ayes have it. The amendment's adopted. Further amendments?

No further amendments.

3rd Reading. 1680. Senator Topinka. 1750. Senator Woodyard. On the Order of Senate Bills 2nd Reading, bottom of page 3, Senate Bi11 1750, Madam Secretary. l SECRETARY HAWKER: I Senate Bkl1 1750. (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Reading of the bill. No committee amendments.

Any amendments from the Floor?

Senator Woodyard offers Amendment No. 1.

Senator Woodyard, on Amendment No. 1.

35  STATE OP ILLINOIS ! 87th GENENAT, ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 Thank you, Mr. President and Members of the Senate. This is one of a two-bill package - the other sponsored by Senator Welch - dealing with the -- the -- the fertilizer chemical industry, and the Groundwater Protection Act, and the monitoring systems that are scheduled to go into effect January 1. The amendment to this bill - and by the way, it is a shell bill only in its present form - the amendment would extend the time for the implementation of the monitoring systems until October 1st, 1993. This is a result of a long series of discussions that are -- there is a working committee established from the Governor's Office, through State agencies, through the industry, and the Environmental Councilz and at this point in time we Want to move this bill along, and also Senator Welch 's bill along, to continue that process of -- of discussion.

Senator Woodyard's moved the adoption of Amendment No. 1 to Senate Bill 1750. Discussion? If not, all in favor, indicate by saying Aye. A11 opposed. The Ayes have it. The amendment's adopted. Further amendments?

No further amendments.

3rd Reading. 1768. Senator Welch. Read the bill, Madam Secretary, please.

Senate Bill 1768. (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Reading of the bill. No committee amendments.

Any amendments from the Ploor?

Senator Welch offers Amendment No. 1. ! 36 i STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 PRESIDENT ROCK: Senator Welch, on Amendment No. 1. SENATOR WELCH: Thank you, Mr. President. When the bill Was 1et out of committee, it was let out With the agreement that there would be a meeting of the concerned individuals who wanted to set up a Battery Task Force to determine What to do With Waste batteries, other than your automobile lead-acid batteries. What this amendment does is create a Battery Task Force within the Department itself, and it will be comprised of the Director the Department, who will serve as chairman of the Task Force, Director of the EPA, Director of Hazardous Waste Research, and fifteen persons who shall be appointed by the Director. I'd be glad to answer any questions. PRESIDENT ROCK: Gentleman has moved the adoption of Amendment No. l to Senate Bill 1768. Discussion? If not, a11 in favor, indicate by saying Aye. All opposed. The Ayes have it. The amendment's adopted. Further amendments? SECRETARY HAWKER: No further amendments. PRESIDENT ROCK: 3rd Reading. Top of page 4, Ladies and Gentlemen, on the Order of Senate Bills 2nd Reading is Senate Bill 1789. Read the bill: please. SECRETARY HAWKER: Senate Bill 1789. (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Reading of the bill. No committee amendments. PRESIDENT ROCK: Any amendments from khe Floor? SECRETARY HAWKER Z 37 ! STATE OP ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT l07Eh Legislative Day May 20: 1992 No Floor amendments. PRESIDENT ROCK: 3rd Reading. 1794. Senator Severns. 1796. Senator Dunn. Read the bill, please. SECRETARY HAWKER: Senate Bill 1796. (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Reading of the bill. No committee amendments. PRESIDENT ROCK: Any amendments from the Floor? SECRETARY HAWKER: Senator Thomas Dunn offers Amendment No. 1. PRESIDENT ROCK: Senator Dunn, on Amendment No. 1. SENATOR T. DUNN : Thank you, Mr. President. This amendment is offered in the spirit of cooperation with the Department of Revenue and is a result of a meeting with them. This Would remove the major objection that they had to the bill, and it would take off the option portion that Would be available to a corporation. PRESIDENT ROCK: Senator Dunn has moved the adoption of Amendment No. 1 to Senate Bi11 1796. Dkscussion? If not, all in favor: indkcate by saying Aye. All opposed. The Ayes have it. The amendmenk 's adopted. Further amendmenks? SECRETARY HAWKER: No further amendments. PRESIDENT ROCK: 3rd Reading. 1803. Senator Marovitz. 1815. Senator Holmberg. 1846. Senator Severns. 1848. Senator Ekheredge. 1858. Senator Thomas Dunn. 1862. Senator Etheredge. Top of page 7. 1887. Senator Carroll. 1890. Senator de1 Valle. Read the 38  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT l07kh Legislative Day May 20# 1992 bill, Madam Secretary, please. Top of Page 7, Ladies and Gentlemen, on the Order of Senate Bills 2nd Reading is Senate Bill 1890. Read the bill, please.

Senate Bill 1890. (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Reading of the bill. No committee amendments.

Any amendments from the Floor? SECRETARY HAWKER: ! Senator del Valle offers Amendment No. 1.

Senator del Valle, on Amendment No. 1. SENATOR dEL VALLE: Thank you: Mr. President. This amendment is the outcome of ! ! I negotiations with Legal Services attorneysz the Credit Union League, and the Independent Finance Association and other I interested persons. It makes certain technical corrections: and provides for service of the garnishment notice and summons of the judgment that are in a garnishment action, and requires that the server file a certificate of mailtng in relation thereto. Also provides for the payment by the judgment debtor of the cost of the garnishment proceedinqs. I move the adoption of Floor Amendment ' No. 1. !

Senator de1 Valle has moved the adoption of Amendment No. l to Senate Bill 1890. Discussion? If not, all in favor, indicate by saying Aye. A11 opposed. The Ayes have it. The amendment's adopted. Further amendments? '

I No further amendments.

39  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLX REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 3rd Reading. 1908. Senator Etheredge. 1911. Senator Topinka. 1930. Senator Welch. Senator Brookinsz for what purpose do you arise, sir?

1 Thank youy Mr. President. I rise on a point of personal I 1 privilege. PRESIDENT ROCK: I State I ! your point, please. ! E SENATOR BROOKINS: ! I have at my desk one of our Honorary Pages today, Cassandra 1 Ward, from my district. She attends the Ted Lerner Regional l ( Gifted Center, and her mother is in the lobby - Mrs. Ward - and ' : 1 I'd like to welcome her to the Senate. I i

Will our guests please stand and be recognized. Welcome to I ! the Senate. Senator Welch. 1930. Read the bill, Madam Secretary, please. ! SECRETARY HAWKER: 1 i I Senate Bill 1930. I (Secretary reads title of bill) I ! 2nd Reading of the bill. No committee amendments.

Any amendments from the Floor?

! Senator Watson offers Amendment No. 1. I 1

Senator Watson, on Amendment No. 1. I SENATOR WATSON: E : Yes. Thank you, Mr. President. This amendment deals With l AFDC and the problems that - - that We find ourselves facinq in 1 this State and this country with the welfare system. This I particular bill was heard in the Welfare Committee - Public Hea1th 40  STATE OP ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 and Welfare Committee - and it received a 7 to 7 vote, and as a result, remained in committee. However, I did feel that the bipartisan support that surfaced in committee warranted the fact that this ought to be discussed on the Senate Floor. And not only that, but I think that We have a situation in this State and in this country that we need to be discussing welfare reform . What ; this particular amendment will do is that if an individual is enrolled in AFDC - Aid to Families With Dependent Children - if , they are enrolled in this particular program , regardless of how ; many children they may have - you can be enrolled in this i i particular program With up to thirteen children, I believe it is - E i so if you are enrolled with five children, you receive the i ! benefits of those -- for those five children. But what this ! 1 amendment does is if you have an additional child while you are I I I enrolled in AFDC, that your benefits will not increase I i accordingly. Now some have viewed this as punitive, and this is ! ; - - there's been a lot of misinformation and, unfortunately, I : ; khink, statements made about this particular legislation and, i quite frankly, about this particular sponsor, that I don't necessarily think warrants the attention and the comments that -- l ! that were made. Because this is not punitive; this is not what i I'm trying to do. What I'm trying to do is have those people Who ' ! are enrolled in AFDC make the decision on whether or not they're goinq to have an additional child, on the same basis that most ; everyone e1Se makes that decision, and is -- can I afford to have 1 i another child? Can I afford to? And I would have to say that the . I ' answer is probably no, they shouldn't have additional children. j 1 BuE that's a decision they would make. Not me. That individual. I I We heard the Department of Public Aid Director, Director Bradley, 1 in committee, testify that one-third of the births in the State of i I Illinois are to individuals who are Medicaid-eligible, and one-half of the births in the City of Chicago are to lndividuals I 41  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 who are Medicaid-eligible. What this -- What's happening is in i many cases the wrong people are havin: children and that these 1 kid ! s unfortunately get caught up in the quagmire of welfare, and i we are seeing a situation occur now in which welfare is no longer 1 1 a safety net; it is a way of life. It's happening noW for i I generations and generations, and that wasn't the intent of the 1 Welfare programs of the sixties. And welve thrown an incredible amount of money at the welfare problem in this country and in this State, and I have to admit - and I think we'd al1 admit - that we I really haven't made much progress in solving those concerns of ! ' those people on -- in poverty and stuck in the welfare quagmire. What this will not do is it will not impact Medicaid. So that individual who has the additional child will still have that child i eligible for Medicaid; that's the health care system that's I I available to the -- to the poor. This Will not impact food stamps. This will not impact the WIC program. Many people have said I'm taking food out of the mouths of babes. That's not the case. In fact, for every three-dollar decrease in AFDC , you get ( an additional one-dollar increase in food stamps. So as a result, E they will receive more food stamps if this particular program is I enacted. I'd be glad to answer any questions, and certainly would appreciate the support of the Membership. Thank you. ! i I

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) A1l right. Discussion? Senator Collins. SENATOR COLLINS: i ! Senator Watson, was this amendment distributed? I PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) I i Senator Watson.

I understand that it isz yes.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Collins. 1 l 42  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENEKAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992

To the amendment: Senator Watson, you were right when you indicated that this bill had in fact had a hearing in the committee, and I think it was given a fair hearing in the committee. And justifiably soz this bill was retained in committee because the people of the committee felt that this bill - this kind of legislation - sends the Wrong message. And I think that we ought to really seriously look at what you're attempting to do here. I thknk I Would be the last person to stand here and say that the Welfare system was created as a temporary measure to help people to become self-sufficient. But the problem is, that innocent baby that you dre trying to punish here had nothing to do with perpetuating that system; it had nothing to do with the fact that the system is designed so that generation after generation can, in fact, be on public aid; it had nothin: to do with the fact that the major recipients of the welfare program of this State - and probably throughout the country, but particularly in the State of Illinois - that approximately only twenty-five percent of every dollar actually ever get down to the client. So Who are the real recipients here? Welre not trying to hurt the big contractors. Wedre not trying to -- to hurt the medical providers who -- where the increase in medical costs has jumped probably twenty times within the last couple of years. We lre not -- I don 't hear you talking about punishing those people. So what about the innocent child here? Wedre punishing a child for the sins that you may say of their parent. Tbat is so wrong, Senator Watson. We cannot send that kind of message here. Youdre not saving any money by doing that, so I don't know what you're trying to accomplish. This is the same Senators who support -- who defeated and opposed the legislation that deals with family plannin: clinics being operated. These are the same people that suppose this -- that put forth this kind of idea in legislation that oppose abortion kinds 43  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSCMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 of efforts, and so -- and oppose all other kinds of job training programs and assistance programs to get these mothers to become self-sufficient. If you supported my welfare proposals that I've been putting forth over the years, We wouldn't have people trapped on public aid. Once -- anybody that supports this bill would have to presuppose that everybody on public aid actually want to be there. That is not true. The majority of people or mothers on public aid are people just like you and they Want to be self-sufficient. They donît want to be beholding to anybody. Welfare is a form of slavery to most people that's on there. They don't want to be on. Give them a chance and they dll get off. But don 't punish an innocent -- innocent baby.

A1l right, we have twelve Who have indicated they wish Eo be heard on this subject. WCIA-TV has requested permission to shoot some videotape. Without objection. Further discussion on Amendment No. 1? Senator Hall.

Thank you, Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. Will the sponsor yield for a question?

Sponsor indicates he will yield, Senator Hall.

Senator Watson, what did you mean by saying the wrong people? Who are you referring to?

Senator Watson.

Yes. Thank you. Those people thak can least afford it.

Senator Hall.

44  STATE OP ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT l 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 ; Because youdre not able to -- able -- when youdre saying wrong people, I just was interested to hear you say that. The thing that happens today is this, the real money in the Department of Public Aid - you know it: being a pharmacist - is not Children and Family Service; it's the medical. Those in hospitals, those in nursing homes. These are paying for people like you who administer drugsp that -- you know it's not children. Now why are you just picking on children? That's the question I'm asking you.

Senator Watson.

Well, Senator, I don't think I'm picking on children at all. I just think what we need to have is a change of direction and a change of philosophy in the whole welfare program of this country and this State. That's what I'm Wanting to do . Open up the discussion and the debate on what we need to do to change the system.

Senator Hall.

Well, do you agree wieh me khat the big money in public aid is not -- I mean, not -- medical, nursing homes and pharmacists like yourself?

Senator Watson.

I -- I would imagine that's true, that thatîs the vast majority of the public aid budget, but to me this doesn't have to do -- anything to do with dollars and cents, necessarily; this has to do with a philosophy change - trying to help these people help themselves. That's What -- basically I'm trying to do here is get these people out of *he welfare quagmire they've found themselves 45  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 in for generations.

Senator Hall.

Well, I'm not qoing to belabor the point. I agree one hundred percent with what the Senator said before, and I'm just going to let it go at that, but I'm -- I'm -- flabbergasted; I'm shocked that youdre doing such a thing.

Purther discussion? Senator Jones.

Yeah. Thank you, Mr. President. Will the sponsor yield?

Sponsor indicates he will yield, Senator Jones.

Senator Watson, was in committee when this bill was -- was heardy and so 1'11 ask you these questions before the entire Body. Could you tell me, for FY '83, what the AFDC line item of the budget: the appropriation, was ten years ago?

Senator Watson.

I'm told that it was just short of eight hundred million, AFDC line.

Senator Jones.

And you indicate that this bill would save X amount of dollars if -- this was instituted. Could you tell the Body as to What the savings the Department said would be made if this bill became law?

46  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 Senator Watson.

Yes: the information I received from the Department of Public Aid estimated the twenty-three million dollar annual savings, once this bill was enacted.

Senator Jones.

Well, I don't know if the Department is giving you the correct information or not. But I happened to look at the figures for each year for the past ten years. The AFDC line item of the Public Aid budget, the number of persons enrolled in that program, have diminished continuously for the past ten years. So if the Department is saying that this is the increased cost in the budqet, something is wrong. The number of persons who are receiving AFDC in the Public Aid budget is far less than it was ten years ago, and it has declined rapidly. 0n top of that, any increase in that line item was due to a grant increase, but it was not due to the fact that those persons as you so - to use your words - these people continue to have children. The -- one of the highest rising costs in the Public Aid budget is the pharmaceutical line item that has gone up drastically for the last ten years on the average of ten percent per year - pharmaceutical line item. This portion of the bqdget has decreased year after year. So I -- I think your amendment, in attempting to save money, is placed in the wrong plaçe. I -- I recall some fifty years ago, another so-called leadqr in Germany said the same thing about these people. I know you dij not mean that, 'cause you're an honorable Member of this Body; you wouldn 't have meant what he meant. But I think I'd be careful as to how we use our words. But what I am sayinq to you is this: the AFDC line item of the Public Aid budget is -- has been diminished over the years. Ik 47  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENEKAL ASSEMBLX REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 represents a very small portion of the budget. If the Department ; wants to save moneyz then they would save money from those other people who feed off of welfare. The bulk of the budget that's going to -- by the nursing homes, going to pharmaceuticals, going to a11 these hospitals and clinics - the millions, and millions, and millions of dollars. But you want to put an amendment on to punish persons who can least afford to help themselvesy and by the Department's own admksskon - oWn admksskon - the Publkc Aid budget for a matter of public record, for AFDC line item, has been i reduced constantly for the past ten years. As a matter of fact, i I the budget this year is less than it was ten years ago. I END OF TAPE TAPE 2

Further discussion? Senator Topinka.

Yes. Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate, I -- I really would question the innuendos on some of the speak ! ers on : the other side# that would even remotely allude that somehow this i I bill th i at Senator Watson has put forward in very good faith, both ' in committee here and on the Ploor, is some kind of a -- a reinvigoration and a revitalization of Naziism and the horrors and ! terrible things that they inflicted on the world. It is -- it's just really unseemly to have even brought that topic upy or even to create that kind of an innuendoe and I really wish that would stop so we can get back to the issue as we tried to do in committee, and as was not the case in committee, as we went about 48  STATE OP ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLV SREGULAR jESSION ENATE TRjNSCRIPT l07Eh Legislative Day May 20, 1992 discussing red herrings of every nature but the issue at present. I think Senator Watson brings forward a very simple, and yet a very important, way of trying to break the welfare cycle, and that is indeed youngsters are going to be born that no one is going to be able to take care of - no one is goin: to Want. They 're goin: to go through the system as youngsters, as adolescents, as adults. They will remain in a perennial cycle of public aid. I don't know that that's indeed What we have wanked to accomplish over the years with the various Public Aid programs We have put forward. We have wanted to make people live a dignified and a worthy life . And that includes al1 kinds of people who find themselves in this situation. When we now find that of teenage births in the State of Illinoisz eight out of ten are illegitimate, I think that says something very, very serious about whak's going on here and what we are allowing to happen. I think Senator Watson's point is well taken. should be discussed, and seriously discussedy on this Floor: and not just bantered around, you knowz in ways that are really kind of tangental, and letls see if, indeed, We can create some incentives to people to try and do some family planning where it can do the most good. And I certainly support his effort.

Further discussion? Senator Alexander.

Thank you, Mr. President. One of my colleagues just gave me a litkle memo - he was saying to me, HNo ehild is illegitimate; it does have a father, and it does have a mother.'' I'd like to speak to the sponsor on a different plane concerning the legislation he has before us today. First, I1d like to tell him - and say it in this fashion - that I am a recipiqnt of public aid, and I have one child . then voluntarily request termination because, perchance, I find work and go to Work. And because of other reasons now I lose that jobe and I'm back out and I've already had a second 49  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 child. Could 1, Would 1, should I apply for ADC to help me noW that I'm going to be in the system now With tWo children, or will the record reflect that I had one while in the system , and therefore I'm not eligible to come and receive any help for the ! second child? Then I have another question I'd like to speak to the bill on.

Senator Watson.

I'm sorry. I didn't hear the question.

Senator Alexander. I6d ask you, Ladies and Gentlemen, please, it's going to be a long enough afternoon as it is.

Senator Watson, the question, if there would be any, Would be that I'm in the system ; I have oqe child. I terminate myself voluntarily because I have a job. I Work for a period. In the meanwhile I become pregnant, but however, I become unemployed. I now come back to the system for help. Would I be penalized for coming back to that system With that extra child? Could 1, should I be possibly put back in the system for help at this time because I've had a second child?

Senator Watson.

That individual would be protected and the -- when the individual was reenrolled into the program, that individual would go in with the number of children that they would currently have. If the example you used - two childrene then they would receive benefits for tWo children. So...

Senator Alexander. 50  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENEQAT, ASSEMBLX REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20# 1992

Thank you. I speak to the amendment: do understand in partr not wholeheartedly, what your intent is, is as you say - and I hope youdre sincere - to break the cycle of the welfare syndrome that is presently there. And I'm aware that it's out there, and that it's generations that have been involved in it. But may I say to you that as rocket scientists, you and I and others here on this Ploor -- we profess to be those persons who know how to deal With problems that besiege our constituency. When We join each other and get about the business of finding work for people, I won't need welfare, or become a Welfare mother. When you can help me find decent housing Where I have some incentive to try to live and be a human being, I won't need your welfare. When you give me decent schools where the ceilings are not falling in on me and the floors are not rotting underneath me, won't need your welfare. When you gave me Project Chance, it did nothing but enhance the welfare of some of the echelons of the higher management skills for the providers of the systeme and did not trickle down to me in Project Chance. When you give me positive programs, I wonît need your welfare. Your amendment is wrong and out of time.

Further discussion? Senator Cullerton.

Thank youw Mr. President: Members of the Senate. Senator Watson, I appreciate the fact that you did make a change in the bill from the bill that was defeated in the eommittee, by changing the effective date to July lst of 1993, but I Would suggest that if -- if this bill is to passy that that still does not give a reasonable enough time. But what you're -- what you're saying is that any child that's born after July lst of '93 would be affected by this bill. So that child Would have to be conceived sometime around October 1st of 192. Now, for example, if this bill passes 51  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20: 1992 and the Governor signs it sometime over the summer, youfre not really qiving very much time to get the word out that you should noE have an additional child, if the real deadline here is October j of 192. Moreoverz if for some reason the Governor would E amendatorily veto the billy we don't consider the bill until after -- you know, in November, perhaps ezen December, you're past the 1 i time when a child could have been conceived and would have been ! affected by this bill . ! I So I would suggest that if this is going to be moved along, you might want to consider adding another six months to the effective date of the bill, because otherwise I think it doesn't -- it unfairly penalizes the people that you dre trying to affect.

Further discussion? Senator Kelly.

Thank you, Mr. President, Memkers of the Senate. I see this amendment as being a potential inqrease to abortion. I think that those of us that are pro-life, we take a look at this issue, and it's one which could potentially increase the incident of abortion. I also see it, as Senator Jones had indicated, balancing the budgeE on the backs of the poor, and I feel the same way. And I therefore oppose this amendment.

Further discussion? Senator Palmer.

Thank youz Mr. President and Members of the Senate. Senator Watson, are you -- may I ask the sponsor a question? Thank you.

Gentleman indicates he will yield. Yes.

Senator Watsone are you familiar with the statistics from the Children's Defense Fund that indicate that at present more than I 52  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENENAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRRNSCRIPT I 107th L I egislative Day May 20, 1992 half the children in the United States are already in poverty, and ! this is not based on race? Are you familiar with their p statistics?

Senator Watson.

No, I'm not.

Senator Palmer.

I would suggest very strongly that you take a good look at this -- what this major organization has been saying for the last ten some-odd years. This is regardless of whether children are on AFDC or not; this is across the country. I object to this bill, not because I do not share the interest and concern about getting people off welfare. I have a number of initiatives, as do others in this Body, to implement waivers, to do any number of other things that will empower people to take up their own lives. I support that very strongly. But when a bill comes before us that adds to the number of children Who are in poverty - and that will be the consequence of this bill then I strongly object to it, because it is not going to be the parent. You cannot punish people into a change in behavior. I know that is a popular way of thinking now, but it is not possible. The consequence of this bill kill be to put another child in jeopardy, and for that reason, I oppose it very strongly.

Further discussion? Senator Thomas Dunn.

Thank you, Mr. President. Will the sponsor yield?

Indicates he Will yield, Sen4tor Dunn. 53  STATE 0F ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992

Senator Watson, if this bill were in effect two years ago, i what would be the cost savings to the State of Illinois?

Senator Watson.

Well, in retrospect, I'm not sure, but the Department of Public Aid says if this bill becomes 1aw now, We Wk11 have about a kwenty-three-million-dollar savings - annual savings.

Senator Dunn.

The Department of Public Aid's budget is how many dollars? Do you recall?

Senator Watson.

For AFDC? It's nine hundred :nd twenty-four million, which is an increase of a hundred million dollars over the -- hundred million dollars over the 1982 budqet that Senator Jones was talking about. So there has been an increase. i PRESIDENT ROCK: ! Senator Dunn.

What's the total budget?

Senator Watson.

Nine hundred and twenty-four million -- the whole Department? Six billion. 6.5 billion, something like that.

Senator Dunn. 54  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENENAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992

And is it true that seventy percent of the money for Public Aid goes to pay for medical costs?

Senator Watson.

Well, I'm not sure, but I Would imagine that a good -- good percentage of the budget does go for that, yes. Medicaid.

Senator Dunn.

Then to the bill: Would suggest to the Body that this is somewhat analogous to repairing the tire on a motor vehicle when it doesn't have an engine.

Further discussion? Senator Brookins.

Thank you, Mr. President. Will the sponsor yield for a question?

Indicate -- Senator Watson indicates he will yield.

I know your question was asked before, but I didn't hear the answer and I don't think anyone heard the answer. You mentioned in your opening remarks about the wrong people having babies, and I'd like you to explain to meF what are the wrong people, or who are the wrong people?

Senator Watson.

As I responded earlier, I -- those people -- those people that can least afford additional children. Has nothing to do with the 55  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 ability or their capability for reproduction, or their decision, but it's those people who -- unfortunatelyy who are -- that can least afford That Was the intent of my statement.

Senator Brookins.

So this would be people that live maybe in the rural areas of the State of Illinoisy or live in tenements or in public housing in khe City of Chicagoy and towns and cities - Would these be some of the wrong people: or would it be people that are poorly educated, or -- or -- is -- is this what we mean by least afford? Or people that work as janitors or maids, or the people that make the two dollars and fifty cent an hour in McDonaldfs, and ek cetera? These would be the -- in your opinion, the wrong people to have children?

Senator Watson.

Wellz not -- not necessarily qt all. I'm just talking on it based on income. I'm not tqlking on it based on education. There's a 1ot of people Who have heen very successful that have a limited amount of education. I1m talking about those people who can least afford it, and that would be those people whose income couldn't support additional family member.

Senator Brookins.

Thank you. So therefore, we know or we feel, or you feel, that people With 1ow income and not enough money to support a family in the beginning, that if they have a child, then that child should be aborted, and you Would subscribe to the -- to the abortion rules, and possibly what the Cook County Hospital is 56  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY ' REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 trying to do now - is to allow anyone that feel that they 're -- I can't afford to have a baby: abort that baby?

Senator Watson.

This -- this issue has nothinq to do with -- with pro-life or abortion - has absolutely nothinq to do With that particular issue.

Senator Brookins.

I think that you said in your earlier remarks that they should get rid of the baby, so therefore, they should put the baby up for adoption, or the opposite of adoption is to abort if theydre pregnant and they can't afford to have the baby. And that's what I kind of understand you to say. And secondly, then if this anendment goes into effect, and their funds are cut off for the additional baby, then that mother should not share any of the monies -- any of the monies that she's receiving for the other ten children or thirteen, as you outline, with the baby that is new and coming in. So therefore, they should put him out the house - put the new baby out the house?

Senator Watson.

Well, I hope that wasn't a question. It was a totally ludicrous statement.

I don't think it was. I think it was a statement. Further discussion? Senator Brookins.

. .. a question. I want to know how do she take care of the 57  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislakive Day May 20, 1992 fourteenth baby that comes into the house, Icause she got thirteen already and she's receiving money for those thirteen. So now he 's going to cut off the money for the fourteenth baby. So she is not to share any of those funds with the new addition or the new arrival, because she's going to have the baby, 'cause she can 't abort it. So what do she do with it?

Gentleman indicates...

It is a question.

The Gentleman indicates he will not yield.

He will not yield -- question. Okay. To the bill, Mr. President -- or to the amendnent: and what I'm sayin: to the amendment is that that is just precisely what you or any would think to save money. We throw that thirteenth or fourteenth baby out. That's what that's about. Secondly, We're talking about people that cannot afford to have children. Wedre talking about people that are working in McDonald's and et cetera, making the minimum wage. They cannot afford to have babies, according to the sponsor of this amendment. So khqy should not have babies. We dre talking about that they should plan to have children. We 're talking about the least educatioq, and he said that education has nothing to do with it. So hoW do these people plan to have additional children, and et cetera? So we are denying a certain percentage of the people of the State of Illinois the right to bear children or have children. And this is what we are tryin: to arrive at# Mr. President. This is a bad amendment. It's bad thoughts put into it, and it's wrong. And wedre moving toward a wrong and bad position in the State of Illinois with amendments such as this. Thank you. 58  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992

Senator Jones, for what purpose do you arise?

Yeah. Thank you, Mr. President. I apologize for interrupting, but we have some students here -- the student council from the Bennett Elementary School in the City of Chicago. They are here with their teacher, Mrs. Warren, Miss Martin and Mrs. Hayes, and also the PTA President, Mr. Daniels. Theylre here visiting Springfield. Let's give them a warm Welcome.

Will our guests please stand and be recognized . Welcome to Springfield. Senator Brookins, for what purpose do you seek recognition?

Thank you, Mr. President. I rise on a point of personal privilege.

State your pointy please.

We have in the gallery with us Mr. Jeffrey Hayes, and hels with the Reach Out and Touch, and they fight drugs and crime and despair and poverty and sickness: and they're looking for solutions for education and the preventives -- prevention and awareness. Mr. Jeffrey Hayes is in the lobby to the right.

Will our guest please stand and be recognized. Welcome. All righk. Further -- the Gentleman has moved the adoption of Amendment No. Is there further discussion? Senator Vadalabene.

Yes. Thank you, Mr. President.

59  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 Your light just went on. There have been sixteen lights on.

I have just one short question, if hedll yield.

Gentleman lndicates he w11l yieldz Senator Vadalabene.

Yes. They skirted around the issue all -- al1 afternoon, but my question to you, Senator Watson: is the pro-life people for this amendment or against it?

Senator Watson.

As far as I know, theybve not taken a position on this.

Senator Vadalabene.

Well, as far as I know, and I get my information, they are totally against this amendment, and I'm also against this bill.

Eurther discussion? Senator Geo-Karis.

Well, Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate, I've listened to the debate from all sides. What's Wrong in trying to instill in a young Woman, no matter race, color or creedz a sense of responsibility that she can get off the welfare rolls if she watches herself and doesn't incur more pregnancies when she knows that she 's on public aid. How is she going to get out of the mold of public aid and get onto work rolls she isn't given a sense of responsibility? Welre not discussing pro-life or pro-choice here, for heaven sakes. Wefre discussing what is the responsible thing to do to help these young people get out of the welfare mold and into the payrolls. This is what wefre talking about, and 60  i STATE OF ILLINOIS ! 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY : REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 i : support the amendment.

Further discussion? I would ask our guests in the gallery to please refrain from any demonstration. Senator Jacobs, for what purpose do you arise? I i SENATOR JACOBS: ( k A point of personal privilege. , PRESIDENT ROCK: i 1 State your point, please. E

First of all, I would like to say hello to a group of PTA members from my district, sitting in the other side of the aisle, and I'd like to have them stand, but also I'd like to call for the question.

Will our guests in the gallery please stand and be recognized. Welcome to Springfield. Senator Geo-Karis: for what purpose do you again arise?

I Mr. President and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate, on a point of personal privilege.

State your point.

It's my pleasure to introduce to you today, from St. Therese Medical Center and Hospital of Waukegan, Illinoisy a wonderful group of volunteers With the vice president, Mr. Bob Vance . And they're sitting in the Fresident's Gallery, and I'd like you a11 to welcome them, and you better, because they pre part of your group, as Well as mine.

Will our guests in the gallery please rise and be recognized. 61  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENEQAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 2û, 1992 Welcome. Senator Woodyard, for what purpose do you arise, sir? I

Thank you, Mr. President. Same Order of Business - point of i I personal privilege. I

State your point, please. 1 1 SENATO : R WOODYARD: ! I have friends With me today from Danville, Illinois - Dr. and ! Mrs. Dilman, and their daughter, Marilyn. E

Will our guests please stand and be recognized. Welcome to 1 I I Springfield. A1l right. The Gentleman has moved the adoption of Amendment No. 1. Senator Watson, you Wish to close? SENATOR WATSON: i Yes, if I could. First of all, I want to thank you for giving me the opportunity and having this discussion today on the Floor @ concerning this particular amendment. And I Want to thank the Membership for the time thatfs been given here. I -- somebody seems to think that this is a issue that's maybe just urban in ! i general and not necessarily rural; I'm here to tell you that in my district -- I have a coun*y in my district that had the largest percentage increase of teenage pregnancies than any other county i i I in this State. This is not an inner-city problem ; this is a problem thatls -- we're experiencing al1 over. And what happens, i according to statistics, are those teenage mothers, unfortunately, i have another child -- a third of them will have another child Wikhin kwenty-four months. You know, and those people, they're I gone forever. Theylre gone -- most -- the vast majority of those people will never be productive members of -- of society, never be contrkbutorsz never be part of the solution. And that -- I mean, 1 that's sad. And -- because, you know, I'm not wanting to be punitive to anybody. And I think most of you know me well enough 62  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 to know that's not my style. I -- the last thing I$d ever want to do is hurt a kid, but wedve goE a major, blg problem in this country and right here in this State. And Wedve got to do something about it. And we've got an opportunity. Wedve had several pieces of legislation that will give us an opportunity to really help those people help themselves. That's the only way we 're qoing to solve this. We can't do it by writing a bigger check or providing more programs. That's not the answer. The answer is jobs. Certainly, that's the answer. And that's the only way these people will get their self-esteem to the level and confidence in themselvesy that they will be productive members. But when we continue to provide more and more assistance, it's not solving the problem, Ladies and Gentlemen. It's not solving it. We 've seen this go on for generations and decades, and where are We today? Are we any better off today than we were during the Great Society, which tried to -- tried to promote an end to the poverty problem in this country? No, I don't think We really are. think, if anything, maybe we dve taken a few steps backwards. What this legislation will do with the money that 's saved - will provide for traininq; provide for education, transportation subsidy, day care subsidy, so that these people Will be able to take their kids to a day care facility and go out and work and get a job, which they wouldn't be able to do they continue to have more and more children. It's unbelievable the number of people that have contacted my office that Work for the Department of Children and Family Services, that are caseworkers for the Department of Public Aid. I've had physickans call me and tell me that, yes, indeed, there are those people out there who have no other reason to have a child but to get a bigger check. There is a percentage of them out there. Some of you don't Want to admit Ehat. Some of the social service ageneies throughout this State don't want to admit thatz but it's going on. It's happening. 63  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20z 1992 don't want to be punitive, and I'm not trying to hurt the kids. And I just want you to know that. Thank you very muchz and I'd appreciate an Aye vote.

Question is the adoption of Amendment No. to Senate Bill 1930. Those in favor of the amendment will vote Aye. Opposed will vote Nay. And the voting is open. Have a1l voted who wish? Have al1 voted who wish? Have all voted Who wish? Have al1 voted who wish? Take the record. On that question, there are 28 Ayes, 27 Nays, none voting Present. Amendment No. is adopted. Further -- further -- I be: your pardon. Senator Brookins, for what purpose do you arise? That request is in order. Senator Brookins has requested a verification. Will the Members please be in their seats. Madam Secretary, please read the affirmative roll.

The following Members voted in the affirmative: Barkhausen, Butler, Davidson, DeAngelis, Donahue, Dudycz, Ralph Dunn, Etheredge: Fawell, Friedland, Geo-Karis, Hawkinsonp Hudson, Karpiel, Keats, Macdonald, Madigan, Mahar, Maitland, Philip, Ralca, Rigney, Schaffer, Schuneman, Topinka, Watson, Weaver and Woodyard .

Senator Brookins, do you question the presence of any Member? Senator Keats is in his chair. A1l right. No further...

Senator Hawkinson.

Senator Hawkinson is right behind us -- behind you. All right. The roll has been verified. On that question, there are 28 Ayes, 27 Nays. Amendment No. l is adopted. Further amendments?

64  I STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 Amendment No. 2 offered by Senator Welch.

Senator Welchz on Amendment No. 2.

Thank you -- thank you, Mr. President. What Amendment No. 2 does is make the original part of the bill operative only if there is a waiver from the Federal Government. I'd move the adoption of the amendment.

A11 right. Senator Welch has moved the adoption of Amendment No . 2 to Senate Bill 1930. Discussion? If not, a1l in favor, indicate by saying Aye. All opposed. The Ayes have it. The amendment's adopted. Further ameqdments?

No further amendments.

3rd Reading. 1931. Senator Welch. Read the bill, Madam Secretary, please.

Senate Bill 1931. (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Reading of the bill. No committee amendments.

Any amendments from the Floor?

Senator Welch offers Amendment No. 1.

Senator Welch, on Amendment No. 1.

Thank you, Mr. President. Amendment No. 1 to this bill has the agency, kogether with the Department of Energy and Natural Resourcese studying and making recommendations on establishing a I 65 !  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 nonhazardous Waste landfill permitting system, restricting landfill permits to a designated area of service. This would be a study of our landfill problem. I'd move adoption of the amendment. PRESIDENT ROCK: I Senator Welch has moved the adoption of Amendment No. 1 to Senate Bill 1931. Discussion? If not, all in favor, indicate by saying Aye. Al1 opposed. The Ayes have it. The amendment's adopted . Further amendments?

No further amendments.

3rd Reading. Senator Woodyard. 1945. Read the bill, Madam Secretary, please. SECRETARY HAWKER: i I Senate Bill 1945. I (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Reading of the bill. No committee amendments.

Any amendments from the Floor?

Senator Donahue offers Amendment No. 1.

Senator Donahue, on Amendment No. 1. 1

Thank you, Mr. President. Amendment No. 1 deletes everything after *he enacting clause on Sepate Bill 1945, and what it does is it repeals the Compensation Review Board Act. In essence, it eliminates the Compensation Review Board. That's all the bill does, and I would move for its adoption.

I Senator Donahue has moved the adoption of Amendment No. 1 to I ! 66  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20: 1992 Senate Bi11 1945. Discussion? Senator Berman. j

i Point of parliamentary -- point of order, your honor -- your - - Mr. President. Is this amendment germane to the bill?

The Chair will be prepared to rule. Senator Demuzio, for what purpose do you arise? Okay. Yeah. The Chair is prepared to rule that the proposed Amendment No. l to Senate Bill 1945 is not germane, and is therefore out of order. 1945 deals with the use of funds collected by the Department of Labor. The amendment purports to repeal the Compensation Review Actz whàch has absolutely nothin: to do with the Department of Labor or fees collected by that Department of State Government. The fact that the bill does not amend any provision of the General Assembly Article into which the Compensaeion Review Act is placed: further corroborates that the amendnent is not germane, and therefore out of order. Further amendments?

No further amendments.

3rd Reading. Senator Geo-Karis, for khat purpose do you arise?

Senator Donahue Was calling for your attention, and I would like to ykeld to Senator Donahue.

You may certainly yield to Senator Donahue. Senator Donahue.

Thank you, Mr. President. I would simply -- could we ask for a -- a vote on your ruling?

Certainly, that is in order. Question is, shall the ruling of ; 67  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEKBLX REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20# 1992 ! the Chair be sustained. Those in favor of sustaining the ruling I 1 of the Chair, vote Aye. Opposed to the ruling of the Chair, vote Nay. And the voting is open. Have a11 voted Who wish? Have a11 I voted who wish? Have all voted Who wish? Take the record. On that question, there are 27 Ayes and 28 Nays. Having receive -- having failed to receive the necessary three-fifths negative vote, the appeal fails, and the ruling of the Chair is sustained. Further amendments?

No further amendments.

3rd Reading. Senator Geo-Karis, for what purpose do you arise?

Mr. President, a point of parliamentary inquiry.

State your point, please.

Since this was an amendment that -- repealinq the -- the pay raise situation of the Board, will you tell me what the status of that Compensation Review bill is -- if we don't act on it. I would like to see some action taken on it# and I would like to ask your opinion.

All right. Senator Geo-Karis, let me just say this, and I hope this will put i: ko rest for at least the momenE. I felt i*, as a matter of institutional courtesy, since the Leadership appoints the members of the Compensation Review Board - as a matter of institutional courkesy - to at least hear how they arrived at the conclusions they presented to us a couple of weeks ago . We have thirty Session days within which to react, and so it's scheduled for hearing in the Executive Committee next week. 68  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERALASSEMBLV REGULAR sEsslou 1 ' SENATE TRaNscnlpT i I 107th Legislakive Day May 20, 1992 I hope the Chairman will be present to explain to us Why they suggested what they sugqested. 1951. Senator Etheredge. 1971. l Senator Schaffer. Read the bill, Madam Secretary.

Senate Bill 1971. ; (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Reading of the bill. No committee amendments. PRESIDENT ROCK: I Any amendments from the Floor?

Senator Schaffer offers Amendnent No. 1.

Senator Schaffer: on Amendment No. 1.

Mr. President, as I briefly mentioned to the Committee on Local Government when this bill was before them, what we -- whak this amendment is, is a requirement that the schools in the collar counties notify the municipal and county authorities when they reach capacity, so that the county and municipal authoritiesr in planning the growth kn the area, will be able to react to that situation.

Senator Schaffer has moved the adoption of Amendment No. 1 to Senate Bill 1971. Discussion? If not, all in favor, indicate by saying Aye. A11 opposed. The Ayes have it. The amendment's adopted. Further amendments?

No further amendments.

3rd Reading. 1978. Senator Fawell. 1979. Senator Hawkinson. Read the bill, please. SECRETARY HAWKER: I 69  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL KSSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 Senate Bill 1979. (Secretary reads title of bill) ' 2nd Reading of the bill. No committee amendments. PRESIDENT ROCK: ! Any amendments from the Floor?

Senator Hawkinson offers Amendment No. 1. 1 '

Senator Hawkinson, on Amendment No. 1. SENATOR HAWKINSON: i Thank youz Mr. President. This amendment does tWo things. The bill is a proposal from the Chicago Bar Association concerning ! alternative modes of service of process. There Were objections by I I Members in committee to the first part of the bill, which involved leaving a copy of a summons With someone who's not a family member. This amendment deletes that part of the bill which was i objected to. There Were further objections in committee to the second part of the bill, and a feeling that good-faith service i need not be attempted before an alternative means could be attempted, and so we have pu* in language requiring that there be a specific statement showing that reasonable efforts to make service have been successful. I -- this amendment, I think, improves the bill. I should point out to the Members, and will do so again on 3rd Reading, that Legal Assistance Foundation remains ; opposed to the bill. 1'11 continue to try and Work with them , but I think that this amendment, in any event, in -- addresses the concerns that were expressed in committee, and I would ask for its adoption. ' i

Senator Hawkinson has moved the adoption of Amendment No. l ' to Senate Bill 1979. Discussion? If not, all in favor, indicate by saying Aye. Al1 opposed. The Ayes have it. The amendment's r 70  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20g 1992 I adopted. Further amendments? S : ECRETARY HAWKER: ' ( No further amendments. I 1 3rd Reading . 1980. Senator Ralph Dunn. Read the bill, Madam : Secretary, please. SECRETARY HAWKER : I Senate Bill 1980. (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Reading of the bill. The Committee on Elementary and Secondary Education offers Committee Amendment No. 1. PRESIDENT ROCK: Senator Dunn, on Committee Amendment No . 1. SENATOR R. DUNN: Thank you, Mr. President. Committee Amendment No. 1 was offered -- or suggested to me by the Office of Educationy and it kind of clarified the bill, rewrote the language to provide that the watch list would not otherwise -- schools that would not otherwise be on the watch list, were it not for the State's funding shortfalls, would be designated separately. I move for the adoption of the amendment. PRESIDENT ROCK: Senator Dunn has moved the adoption of Amendment No. l to Senate Bill 1980. Discussion? If not, a1l in favor, indicate by saying Aye. A1l opposed. The Ayes have it. The amendment's adopted. Are Ehere further amendments? SECRETARY HAWKER: No further amendments. PRESIDENT ROCK: 3rd Reading. 2000. Senator Palmer. Top of page 9, Ladies : and Gentlemen. 2015. Senator Weaver. Top of page 9. Bottom of page l0. 2045. Senator Collins. Read the bill: Madam Secretary, 71 . . 12  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 i please. 2045. Wedre at the bottom of page 10. And then we Will go back and pick up the appropriation bills on 2nd Reading. 2045, : I ' Madam Secretary. Read the billz please. j SECRETARY HAWKER: Senate Bi1l 2045. : (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Reading of the bill. No committee amendments. PRESIDENT ROCK: Any amendments from the Floor? SECRETARY HAWKER: Senator Collins offers Amendment No. 1. PRCSIDENT ROCK: Senator Collins, on Amendment No. 1. SENATOR COLLINS: Yes. Thank you, Mr. President and Members of the Senate. Amendment No. l is a response to some of the concerns raised by the committee. Senator Berman was concerned about the distribution of the funds. We took out a11 language pertaining to the distribution of the funds from narcotic forfeitures. It also clarifies the habitual nuisance Section that was in the bill. It takes out the pilot project for several of the police districts in the City of Chicago. It addresses some of the other technical problems, and I Would move for its adoption. PRESIDENT ROCK: Senator Collins has moved the adoption of Amendment No . 1 to Senate Bill 2045. Discussion? If not, a1l in favory indicate by saying Aye. A1l opposed. The Ayes have it. The amendment 's adopted. Further amendments? ; SECRETARY HAWKER: No further amendments. PRESIDENT ROCK: 1 5 3rd Reading. 2062. Senator Cullerton. Yes, no, maybe. Read 72  STATE OF ILLINOIS 1 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 the bill, please.

Senate Bill 2062. ! (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Readin: of the bill. No committee amendments. 1 I

Are there amendments from the Floor?

E Senator Cullerton offers Amendment No. 1.

Senator Cullerton, on Amendment No. 1.

Thank you, Mr. President, Members of the Senate. This is in response to a request from the Department of Public Aid. This amendment would require the Department of Public Aid to develop and distribute a uniform parentage consent petition, a proposed parentage order, and instructions for completion of both, for use I in a hospital-based parentage consent program. It specifies what information will be provided regarding each parent's rights and obligations. It was drafted with the assistance of the Department of Public Aid. I ask for its adoption. PRESIDENT ROCK : I Senator Cullerton's moved the adoption of Amendment No. l to Senate Bill 2062. Discussion? If not, al1 in favorr indicate by saying Aye. Al1 opposed. The Ayes have it. The amendment's adopted. Further amendments?

Amendment No. 2 offered by Senator Cullerton.

Senator Cullerton, on Amendment No . 2. SENATOR CULLERTON: i Thank you, Mr. President and Members of the Senate. This 73 z' STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENEDAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT l07kh Legislative Day May 20, 1992 ! amendment Was drafted in response to concerns raised by the Illinois State Bar Association. What this amendment would do would be to permit an adjudicated father - that is one who consented to parentage - it would permit that father to brkng an action to declare the nonexistence of paternity in certain circumstances. That father would -- if that father has reasonable probability as results of genetic tests, if he can show that there's a reasonable probability that he's not the fathere he can then bring this action two years after he obtains that reasonable probability. So, again, the Bar Association expressed some i concerns about this bill, and this is in response to those concerns. Move for its adoption. PRESIDENT ROCK: Senator Cullerton's moved the adoption of Amendment No. 2 to ' Senate Bill 2062. Discussion? If not, all in favor, indicate by saying Aye. A1l opposed. The Ayes have it. The amendment's adopted. Further amendments? SECRETARY HAWKER: Amendment No. 3 offered by Senator Cullerton. PRESIDENT ROCE : Senator Cullerton. SENATOR CULLERTON: This amendment deals wkth the Vital Records Act as well, and it's in response to concern by some folks Who do genealogical research. It incorporates a House Bill 2678, Which Representative Black has introducedz which says that if you want to do genealogical research, you don'k have to be a member of an Illinois genealogical society, rather any genealogical society. It also sets up a opportunity for access to birth certificates for genealogical research Which occurred seventy-five years ago and death certificates which occurred twenty years ago. And in an effort to allow that no fraud would take place, these copies have 74  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLX 1 REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 to be stamped 'îfor genealogical purposes only.'' This has -- I've been working on this amendment as well with the Clerk of Cook County, David Orr, and it has his support, and I would ask for its adoption.

Senator Cullerton's moved the adoption of Amendment No . 3 to Senate Bill 2062. Discusskon? If not, a1l in favorz indicate by saying Aye. All opposed. The Ayes have it. The amendment's adopted. Further amendments?

No further amendments.

3rd Reading. 2066. Senator Severns. 2094. Senator Jones. Read the bill, Madam Secretary. Senator Berman, for -- I'm sorry: for what purpose do you arise, sir?

Point of personal privilege, Mr. President.

State your point, please.

Standing to my left is a former outstanding Member of this Body; a former Member of the House of Representatives; and now one of the great judges of the Circuit Court of Cook County, Senator Sam Maragos.

Senator Maragos. Welcome. Bottom of page l0. Senate Bill 2094. Read the bill, please.

Senate Bill 2094. (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Reading of the bill. No committee amendments.

75  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 Are there amendments from the Floor? I SECRETARY HAWKER: ! j Senator Jones offers Amendment No. 1.

Senator Jones, on Amendment No. 1.

E Yeah . Thank you, Mr. President, Members of the Senate. I Amendment No. l is essentially the bill. It provides that in the event of a power -- power failure that -- of total more than four hours in a thirty-day period, electric public utilities must waive the monthly fixed fee for customers; compensate customers for damages ineurred because of failure; and reimburse governmental units for emergency and contingency expenses incurred. The amendment is basically the bill, and I move its adoption.

Senator Jones has moved the adoption of Amendment No. l to Senate Bill 2094. Discussion? If not, all in favor, indicate by saying Aye. All opposed. The Ayes have it. The amendment's . adopted . Further amendments?

No further amendments.

3rd Reading. I'm sorry. Senator Macdonald.

I'm sorry, Mr. President. I had my liqht on long before the - - Senator Jones even started explaining the bill. I -- I object to khis amendment, on the grounds that it is a -- it is a major change from the original bill. This kind of legislation did not come before our committee. In fact, there was a bill in the Rules Committee that was Senator Palmer's bill that was very similar that was not discharqed from the Rules Committee, and I think that this is a -- that this is a vast change. And I would object to 76  STATC OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLX REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 this amendment, and I would ask for a roll call.

All right. We're going to have a roll call. Question is the adoption of Amendment No. l to Senate Bill 2094. Senator Macdonald has requested a roll call. Those in favor of the amendment will vote Aye. Opposed Will vote Nay. And the voting is open. Have a11 voted who wish? Eave a1l voted who Wksh? Have a11 voted who wish? Have all voted who Wish? Take the record. On that question, there are 10 Ayes, 33 Nays; and the amendment fails. Further amendments?

No further amendments.

3rd Readinq. 2119. Senator Jones. Top of page ll, Ladies and Gentlemen. On the Order of Senate Bills 2nd Reading is Senate Bi11 2119. Read the bill.

Senate Bill 2119. (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Reading of the bkll. No committee amendments.

Any amendments from the Floor?

No Floor amendments.

3rd Reading. 2125. Senator Jones. Read the bill, please.

Senate Bill 2125. (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Reading of the bill. No commlttee amendments.

Any amendments from the Ploor? 77  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLX REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT l07Eh Legislative Day May 20, 1992 j SECRETARY HAWVER : ' i Senator Jones offers Amendment No. 1. i PRESIDENT ROCK: ! j Senator Jones, on Amendment No. 1. I I SENATOR JONES: ' Thank you, Mr. President. Amendment No. l delete al1 the ( substance of the bill and turns it into a shell bill, and I move I its adoption.

! Senator Jones has moved the adoption of Amendment No. 1 to Senate Bill 2125. Discussion? If not, a11 in favor, indicate by saying Aye. A11 opposed . The Ayes have it. The amendment's adopted. Further amendments?

No further amendments.

3rd Reading. 2152. Senator Watson. Read the bill, please. I

Senate Bill 2152. (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Readin: of the bill. No committee amendments.

Any amendments from the Ploor? '

Senator Watson offers Amendment No. 1.

Senator Watson, on Amendment No. 1. !

Yes. Thank you, Mr. President. This amendment requires the l Department of Transportation ko conduct a diligent inquiry - that r includes a search of tax records - to obtain a title commitment. If the Department does not complete these requirements, then this 78  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT l07kh Legislative Day May 20, 1992 I I Section of the 1aw does not apply. Also under this bill the -- this Section does not apply to an out-of-state owner. This amendment deletes that exemption, and therefore the Department of Transportation must eomply with these requirements regardless of where the owner lives. Thank you.

Senator Watson has moved the adoption of Amendment No. l to Senate Bill 2152. Discussion? Senator Demuzio.

Senator Watsone this deals with eminent domain proceedings. Can you tell me in what scope the Department of Transportakion intends to use this, and what happens after the -- the person Who they dve made the inquiry about still remains anonymous, then what happens?

Senator Watson.

What wedre doing is actually tightening up current 1aW. There's some problems in regard to a diligent search by the Department of Transportation, and What we're doing is tightening up the current law so that that -- that search Would be required .

Senator -- Oh . Further discussion? If not, Senator Watson 's move; the adoption of Amendment No . 1 to Senate Bi11 2152. A11 in favor, indicate by saying Aye. All opposed. The Ayes have it. Amendment's adopted. Further anendments?

No further amendments.

3rd Readànq. 2156. Senator Schuneman. 2177. Senator Welch . Read the bill, Madam Secretary , please. 2177.

I 79  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLV REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day Kay 20, 1992 Senate Bill 2177. (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Reading of the bill. The Committee on Agriculture and Conservation offers Committee Amendment No. 1.

Senator Welch, on Committee Amendment No. 1.

Committee Amendment No. 1 deleted *he entire bill and made it a shell bill.

Senator Welch: you moving the adoption of Committee Amendment - - Senator Welch has moved the adoption of Committee Amendment No. l ko Senate Bill 2177. Discussion? If not, all in favor, indicate by saying Aye. Senator Butler, do you wish to speak on this bill? Senator Butler. Senator Butler.

Thank you. A point of personal privilege, please.

Well, 1et me just get finished with this bill.

0h, I'm sorry. Go ahead.

A1l right. Senator Welch has moved the adoption of Committee Amendment No. 1 to Senate Bill 2177. Discussion? If not, al1 in favor, indicate by saying Aye. A11 opposed. The Ayes have it. The amendment's adopted. Are there further amendments?

No further committee amendments.

Any amendments from the Floor?

Senator Welch offers Amendment No. 2. 80  STATE OP ILLINOIS 87th GENEDAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 PRESIDENT ROCK: y Senator Welch, on Amendment No. 2.

1 : Amendment No. 2 Was an amendment that Senator Woodyard spoke I l about briefly. This bill is part of a two-bilk package concerning I i pesticides and fertilizer. What this bill does is continue : existing fees that are already on thebooks foran additional 1 year,creating seed money for the start of a remediation fund. 1 I I'd beglad to try toansweranyquestions. j

Senator Welch has moved the adoption of Amendment No. 2 to Senate Bil1 2177. Discussion? If not, a11 in favor, indicate by saying Aye. Al1 opposed. The Ayeshaveit. Theamendment's l adopted. Furtheramendments?

: 1 , Nofurtheramendments. l l

3rd Reading. Senator Butler, for what purpose do you arise?

; Thankyou,Mr.President. Apointofpersonalprivilege.

1 State your point, please. I S l ENATORBUTLER: Ladies and Gentlemenv I1d like to introduce to you a very ! 1 ! distinguishedguest. MyguestisMayorJoanBarrofEvanston,one 1 of our -- *he largest communities in our State, and also the incoming Presidenk of the Northwestern Municipal Conference. This i young lady represents thirty-five communities, comprisinq over a million one hundred thousand residents. Ladies and Gentlemen, say hello to Mayor Joan Barr. PRESIDENT ROCKC E Mayor, welcome. 2178. Senator Alexander. Read the bill, ! 61  STATE 0F ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 j Madam Secretary, please.

Senate Bil1 2178. (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Reading of the bill. The Committee on Judiciary I offers Committee Amendment No. 1.

Senator Alexander, on Committee Amendmenk No. 1.

Thank you: Mr. President. Committee No. l becomes the bill, and this Amendment No. 1 has been drafted with the concerns of the committee members. It deals With traffickàng in dope, a preponderance of evidence being presented to the court, and the court ordering an emergency forcible entry for those persons so adjudged on a judqment order to be taken out of the public housing systems. I ask for -- go to 3rd Reading.

A11 righk. Senator Alexander has moved the adoption of Committee Amendment No. 1 to Senate Bill 2178. Discussion? If not, all in favor, indicate by saying Aye. Al1 opposed. The Ayes have it. The amendmentlG adopted. Further amendments?

No further committee amendments.

Any amendments from the Ploor?

Senator Alexander offers Amendment No. 2.

Senator Alexander, on Amendment No. 2.

Thank youz Mr. President. I'm not aware of Amendment No. 2. Could you take that out a minute. just for record? There seems to :2  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 ' be a mistake. I thought I had only filed one amendment. Perhaps something wrong there. Could you let me come see which one we dre dealing with, please?

Senator Alexander.

I've been advised by staff that the analyst and the person who wrote the amendment for me suggests we go forth With this amendment. I move the adoption of this amendmenk. It's an emergency addiction proceedings, which gives proper opportunity for the hearing, and it just allows for the removal of dope dealers from the public housing system. And it's requested by the Chicago Housing Authority.

Senator Alexander has moved *he adoption of Amendment No. 2 to Senate Bill 2178. Discussion? If not, a11 in favor, indicate by saying Aye. Al1 opposed. The Ayes have it. The amendment 's adopted. Further amendments?

No further amendments.

3rd Reading. 2181. Senator Schaffer. Read the bill, please, Madam Secretary.

Senate 3ill 2181. (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Reading of the bill. No committee amendments.

Any amendments from the Floor?

Senator Schaffer offers Amendment No. 1. I

! 83  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 i Senator Schaffer, on Amendment No . 1.

Mr. President, this is the amendment that we referenced in committee and would provide that the definition of nexcise franchise costs'' would be those franchise fees in excess of two percent of the revenues generated within that municipality. This is an attempt to simplify the bill and make sure we donît end up With a 1ot of unnecessary paperwork with the Commerce Commission. And I believe the -- particularly some of the utilities Wanted to avoid that.

Senator Schaffer has moved the adoption of Amendment No. 1 to Senate Bill 2181. Discussion? If not, al1 in favor, indicate by saying Aye. All opposed. %he Ayes have it. The amendment's adopted. Are there further amendments?

No further amendments.

3rd Reading. 2211. Senator Jacobs. Read the bill, Madam Secretary, please.

Senate Bill 2211. (Secretary reads title of bkl1) 2nd Reading of the bill. The Committee on Commerce and Economic Development offers Committee Amendment No. 1.

Senator Jacobs, on Committee Amendment No. 1.

I ask that we table Committee Amendment No. 1.

Senator Jacobs has moved to table Committee Amendment No. l to Senate Bill 2211. Discussion? If not, a1l in favor of the Motion I 84  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE YRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 to Table, indicate by saying Aye. Al1 opposed. The Ayes have it. The motion carries, and Amendment No. l is tabled. Are there further amendments?

No further committee amendments.

Are there amendments from the Floor?

No Floor amendments.

3rd Reading. 2225. Read the bill, Madam Secretary.

Senate Bill 2225. (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Reading of the bill. No committee amendments.

Any amendments from the Floor?

No Ploor amendments.

3rd Reading. A11 right. Ladies and Gentlemeng it is just beyond 2:30 and we will, again, begin on the Order of Senate Bills 2nd Reading, and we will go right through the appropriation bills. So I'd ask particularly the Appropriations' chairs and minority spokesmen to be ready: as we will move throuqh the bills as rapidly as possible. And then we will go to the Order of Senate Bills 3rd Readlng to handle -- the Secretary informs me, there are about twenty requests for recalls. I'd ask the Secretary - perhaps this is a good time to cut the list off, and get a list prepared so that we can reach that Order of Business. Page 2 on the Calendar.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) 85  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20p 1992 Senator Cullerton, for what purpose do you rise?

A point of personal privilege.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) State your point.

Mr. President, I recently took residence in the town of Petersburg, near New Salem, and I see there's a former Republican State Representative in the gallery, who is here participating in the Illinois Alcoholism and Drug Dependence Association Rally to celebrate prevention and recovery. Heds also passing out pictures of himself on pennies. Former Representative Abraham Lincoln is here.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) 0ur guest ln the gallery has already risen. Welcome. A11 right. Page 2. 1483. Senator Carroll, are you ready? A1l right. Madam Secretary, 1483.

Senate Bill 1483. (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Reading of the bill. The Committee on Appropriations I offers Committee Amendment No. 1.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Carroll.

Thank you...

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Carroll.

Thank you, Mr. President and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. While this is the Court of Claims awards bill, I thought this be the appropriate time to go through what would be the basis 86  STATE OF ILLINOIS . 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 of the guideline amendments that We will be offering on the overwhelming majority of the operations of State Government bills. For those who havenlt heard the guidelines that Were suggested in i committee and adopted by committee amendments, basically what we fre attempting to do is to get the executive agencies... PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Pardon me, Senator Carroll. Ladies and Gentlemen, if we could I have some order, please; this Will go quicker if we are paying attention. Senator Carroll. 1 SENATOR CARROLL: : Thank you. And the purpose of this is obviously so that ke donlt have to explain it each time. Basically What wedre trying to do is to keep the executive agencies in line with that which the Legislature has been doing for and to itself for the last couple years. As one of the handouts we've given you indicates, while the executive agencies in their administrative lines - the I . lines that would be equivalent to the operations of the General Assembly - have gone up about eight percent, district offices, of course, have gone up zero, and al1 of Senate Operations have gone up one percent. So in an effort to try and cut back on the size of government and bring those lines more in line with what is reasonable spendinq, we have suggested elimlnating a1l of the i consulting-type contracts that do not fall into any specific category, where they couldn't even find a place that normally would have a contract. So it's not the aceountants and a11 that. We're talking about a reduction of half of ehe rental of motor vehicles, films and audiovisual aids, statistical tabulation services - things of that nature that are not related to client care; eliminating the employee moving expenses, advertising for neW employees, subscriptions, and fees and conference expenses to be cut in half; eliminating the out-of-state travel; curtailing significantly, by fifteen to thirty percent, the in-state travel; . I 87 i  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GZNERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 cutting back on office supplies for running these offices; cutting the printing lines, because some of these reports they are printing through outside contracts are just extremely expensive. One agency testified as to eight dollars per booklet printed . Cuttinq back telecommunications for the extra, or high number of pagers, beepers, answering machines, car phones, et cetera; eliminating the unjustified equipment expense; cutting back EDP five percent; and cuttin: half of the operation of auto equipment. As the local papers here identified, there are something like twelve thousand five hundred and fifty-five vehicles operated by the Statez with sixty-five thousand employees; meaning that, in effect, one out of every five State employees, as an average, has some type of State vehicles. In personal services we said we should cut back on a11 of the administrative assistant type positions, executive assistant !' type positions, by a reduction of about thirty percent, except for those unique aqencies. Additionally, we have found a gçowing number growing number of legislative liaisons from each of the agencies, public information officers from each of the agencies. We think the Governor has a very good legislatîve liakson office. In most cases, they dre the only ones ever allowed to talk to us. They also do a good job on press releases, and everything, apparently by executive order, flows through them . So we believe, by legislative actionz it should flow through them as well. Same thinq with vacancies - qetting rid of the long-term vacancies; cutting back on all the neW positions, and those types of general operating reductions. Where khe agency was funded by special funds that are the same as General Revenue in nature, not federal, we are suggesting that they have the same guidelines, and those savings go to the General Revenue Fund. The purpose of this, againz is to recognize that these are tiqht economic times and that it's time to cut back. We have already demonstrated that 88  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENEKAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 I they should be following the sane plans we followed a1l of these years, and hold their cost incyeases, not to eight times the General Assembly, but hopefully a lot closer, maybe only two or three times. With that: I Will offer Committee Amendment No. l to the Court of Claims awards bill, This is their 192 supplemental, and I would move its adoption. PRESIDING OFFICERJ (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Carroll has moved the adoption of Committee Amendment No. 1. Is there discussion? Senator Keats.

Question of the sponsor.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Sponsor indicates he will yield. Senator Keats.

Thank you, Mr. President. You know, there are many of us on this side of the aisle, Senator Carrollz who appreciate that youdve suddenly discovered cutting the budgetls not a bad idea. I Wanted to check and see, did any of these amendments take your brother off the State payroll? Is that -- is that in any of these ones, the contract he has?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Carroll.

Almost as much as Senator Philip 's and Representative Daniels' relatives, but in fact, mine would fall under that category. My brother, who 's Worked there for years, would probably end up Without a job under this. Yes.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Keats.

Probably? Something tells me that won't be the intent. Probably. Secondly, does this qffect any of the contracts that 89  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20# 1992 many of your precinct captains and workers within the 50th Ward and in the City of Chicago have? I think you're well aware that it has been boasted by some of your Members that every one of your captains in the 50th Ward has a State contract. I'm sure that's an exaggeration. I know not every one of your captains has them, I but have you perhaps removed a feW of them from the payroll? '

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Carroll.

Senator Keats, if I thought you Were being serious, I might answer seriously. My city people usually have city or county jobs.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator -- Senator Keats, on the amendment? Senator Keats.

Senator Carroll, we will shortly hand you a list of a few of your employees on the State payloll. Wedll get back to you on that. I'm sure youlll enjoy #xplaining a few, but I did want to say -- and We'11 talk more When you get to some more specific bills. Talk about cars and you talk about these expenses - when I had a resolution to reduce the number of cars and State planes, and it went to committee, you voted -- the Democrats voted I ! l unanimously, with the help of a few Republicans, but voted unanimously not to do this. And then your Leader got on a plane and flew home right after that on one of those State planes we tried to get rid of. Would this in any Way deal with that problem?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Welch, for what purpose do you rise?

I'd rise on a point of order. This has nothing to do with this amendment. This is a speech by the Senator, and I would ask 90 I STATE OP ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 khat the Chair rule him out of order and ask -- and move on. PRESIDINC OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Keats, the Gentleman has a good point. Senator Keats. ! Senator Keats. SENATOR KEATS: I Would one hundred percent agree With Senator Welch if -- if Senator Carroll's remarks had been limited to one amendment. You would be one hundred percent correctz if Senator Carroll had ( i talked about one amendment, but as you remember he spoke in general about all. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIQ) I Senator -- Senator Keats, 1et1s -- itfs going to be a long ! : day; let's move on. Further discussion? If not, Senator Carroll has moved the adoption of Committee Amendment No. 1. A11 in favor, indicate by saying Aye. Opposed, Nay. The Ayes have it. Committee Amendment No. l is adopted. Further committee I I amendments? q SECRETARY HAWKER: Committee Amendment No. 2. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) I Senator Carroll. SENATOR CARROLL: Thank you, Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. Committee Amendment No. 2 is a technical amendment. I would move l its adoption. : PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIQ) Senator Carrolk has moved the adoption of Committee Amendment i No . 2. Is there discussion? If not, those in favor, indicate by ! saying Aye. Opposede Nay. The Ayes have it. Committee Amendment No. 2 is adopted. Senator Brookins, for What purpose do you arise? , SENATOR BROOKINS: ! 91  STATE OP ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLX REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 E Thank you, Mr. President. I rise on a point of personal I i I privilege. i

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) State your point.

Thank you. I have at my desk Frank C. Bacon, retired Brigadier General of the Army. Mr. Bacon. Also a police officer that served With me for over fourteen or fifteen years in the Chicago Police Department.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Mr. Bacon, welcome to the Floor. Senator Hall, for what purpose do you arise?

Well, I'd like to say that the General is also the husband of Dr. Bacon, who's a member of the University of Illinois Board . Dr.... General Bacon.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Thank you -- thank you for making that point. Further amendments -- committee amendments?

Amendment No. 3 -- Committee Amendment No. 3.

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Carroll.

Thank you, Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. At the request of the Republican side, this would cover a lost warrant of some seven hundred and thirty-five dollars. I would nove its adoption.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Carroll has moved the adoption of Committee Amendment No . 3. Is there discussion? If not, those in favor will indicate by saying Aye. Opposed, Nay. The Ayes have it. Committee l 92  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 Amendment No. 3 is adopted. Further committee amendments? I SECRETARY HAWKER: No further committee amendments. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Any amendments from the Floor? ! SECRETARY HAWKER: No Floor amendments. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) 3rd Reading. Page 3, is 1607. Senator Vadalabene. Madam Secretary, 1607, please. SECRETARY HAWKER: Senate Bill 1607. (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Reading of the bill. No committee amendments. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Any amendments from the Floor? SECRETARY HAWKER: No Floor amendments. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) 3rd Reading. 1727. Senator Rock. 1728. 1729. 1730. With leave of the Body: Senator Carroll will handle that bill. Leave is granted. 1730, Madam Secretary. SECRETARY HAWKER: Senate -- Senate Bill 1730. I (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Reading of the bill. No committee amendments. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Any amendments from the Floor? SECRETARY HAWKER: No Floor amendments. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMDZIO) 3rd Reading. o..tmachine cutoffl...Bill 1733, Madam 1 93 i  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 Secretary, please.

Senate Bill 1733. (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Readin: of the bill. No committee amendments.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Any amendments from the Floor?

President Rock offers Amendment No.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Rock.

I Wonder, Would the Secretary be kind enough to read the -- just the last three or four digits or...

1733fam2grd.

That's the one. Thank youz Mr. President and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. Amendment No. 1 was delivered just a short time ago, and I apologize for not getting it over to the other side earlier, because I just received it. But it is an effort on the part of the State Comptroller herself to reduce her budget. And this would be a total reduction of a hundred and thirty-three thousand dollars. As I'm sure you're aware, the budget of the Comptroller has three essential parts: one is the payment of salaries for executive and State officers in general; two are the public grants that this Assembly has authorized for public radio and television; and the third and smaller part of the budget concerns the operation of the Comptroller's Office. She has worked diligently since the committee meeting to attempt to find somewhere to cut. As I'm sure youlre aware, We afford and have afforded, and I hope will continue to afford, the 94  STATE 0F ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 constitutional officers the right to have their budget as they ! wish it. It is between the Governor and the executive officer: no 1 : matter who it is, and ultimately between the executive officer and ! the constituency in Illinois, to defend and otherwise justify the ' budget request. The Comptroller is -- has assured me that she is - - she finds this budget very defensible, and she offers this as a ! good-faith effort at cuts, and assures me that she will continue i to look for further cuts. It is a total cut of a hundred and I thirty-three thousand dollars in GRF, and I would move its adoption.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Al1 right. Senator Rock has moved the adoption of Amendment No. 1. Discussion? Senator Etheredge. ; ! SENATOR ETHEREDGE: i Will the sponsor yield, Mr. President?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Indicates he will yield. Senator Etheredge. I

Senator Rock, does this amendment implement the guidelines 1 that were spelled out a few minutes ago by Senator Carroll?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Rock.

1 In part, yes. Not in totaly no.

PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Etheredge.

I guess my next question is: why it does not implement the I ' guidelines in total, since that is the procedure that is proposed for the departments -- various departments of State Government. Why aren't we adopting khem -- these across the board?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) 95  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSTON SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20# 1992 Senator Rock.

Well, I think it's fair to say - and there are really two i I justifications. One, I think we afford, as we have in the past - and as I said I hope Will continue in the future - we afford the constitutionally elected and constitutional officers the opportunity to present and defend and have their budget the way they wish it. And ultimately it's subject to the gubernatorial approval, and they have to go talk to the Governor, just like the rest of us. And ultimately, obviously: they have to defend their budget request to the people of Illinois. The fact is, we do not wish to impose guidelines that Will severely inhibit the exercise of her responsibility. And she has said, in no uncertain termse as I'm sure you heard in committee, that to impose that six percent cut would inhibit and lessen her ability to fulfill her responsibility. So subsequent to the committee meetingy she did indeed meet with her -- her own internal audit staff, and they have come up with what they feel are euts that -- she is eliminating the funds for advertising for new employees, and for interviewing expenses. She's rqducing registration and conference fees. She is cutting in-state travel ten percent, out-of-state travel fifty percent. She's vliminating two car phones, and she is reducing equipment purchases: She 's also reducing the public television and radio grants by ywenty-five thousand dollars. So I - - I think she's making a good-faith effort: and I would hope that We would honor it.

PRESIDING OPPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Further discussion? Senator Etheredge.

Thank you very nuch. Mr. President and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate, I -- I would concur in that we should applaud this good-faith effort toward balancing the State budget. And I would 96 E STAQE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20# 1992 hopee howeverp that this would only represent a -- a start - a small start - toward the achievement of additional cuts within this budget, because this budget, as introduced, was four and a half percent - for the operations part anyway - was four and a half percent over last year. So I would urge the Comptroller to continue to Work on this budget. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) I All right . Senator -- further discussion? Senator Rock. ! SENATOR ROCK: Well I hope I hear the same solicitude when we deal, in the next couple of weeks. wlth the Secretary of State's request. A four and a half percent increase, as indeed she has requested, is nine hundred thousand dollars against her base. I mean, this is truly not the end of the world, and I hope that when we deal With I really b1g budqets we dre golng to hear *he same kind of rhetoric. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) All right. Senator Rock has moved the adoption of Amendment No. 1. Those in favor will indicate by saying Aye. Opposed : Nay. The Ayes have it. Amendment No. 1 is adopted. Further amendments? SECRETARY HAWKER: i No further amendments. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) 3rd Reading. 1840. Senator Rock. 1840, Madam Secretary. SECRETARY HAWKER: Senate Bill 1840. (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Reading of the bill. The Committee on Appropriations 11 offers Committee Amendment No. 1. I PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Hall. SENATOR HALL: 97  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENEKAL ASSEMBLX REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20# 1992 Go ahead, Senator Rock. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) j I Senator Rock. I1m sorry. Senator Rock. l i SENATOR ROCKt ! Thank you, Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. : Committee Amendmenk No.1, Which I understand Was agreed to, 1 reduces the appropriation level to the Governor's requested level. I know of no objection, and I Would move its adoption.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Discussion? Senator Rock has moved the adoption of Committee i Amendment No. 1 to Senate Bill 1840. Those in favor will vote Aye - - those in favor Will indicate by saying Aye. Opposed, Nay. The Ayes have it. Amendment -- Committee Amendment No. l is adopted. I i ( Further committee amendments?

No further committee amendments.

PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Any amendments from the Floor?

No Floor amendments.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) 3rd Reading. 1841. On the Order of Senate Bills 2nd Reading is Senate Bill 1841: Madam Secretary.

Senate Bill 1841. (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Readkng of the bkll. The Committee on Appropriatkons 11 offers Committee Amendment No. ;. PRESIDING OPPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) I

Thank you, Mr. President. Committee Amendment No. l reduces I 98  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLX REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 : the U of I's appropriation down to the Governor's allocation level, and I1d move its adoption.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Weaver has moved the adoption of Committee Amendment No. l to Senate Bill 1841. Is there discussion? If not, those in favor will indicate by saying Aye. Opposed, Nay. The Ayes have it. Committee Amendment No. 1 is adopted. Further committee amendments?

No further committee amendments.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Any amendments from the Ploor?

Senator Carroll offers Amendment No. 2.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Carroll.

Thank you, Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senake. This would be a reduction of some five hundred thousand in the Urban Leadership funds. Ag Premium is tight. This was a neW program that seems to be doing no particular useful purpose, and I would move its adoption. It's an attempt to save some money.

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Carroll has moved the adoption of Amendment No . 2. Is there discussion? If not, those in favor Will indicate by saying Aye. Opposed, Nay. The Ayes have it. Amendment No. 2 is adopted. Further amendments?

No further amendments.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) 3rd Reading. Senate Bill 1842. Senator Vadalabene. On the Order of Senate Bills 2nd Reading is Senate Bill 1842, Madam 99  STATE 0: ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 Secretary.

Senate Bill 1842. (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Reading of the bill. The Committee on Appropriations 11 offers Committee Amendment No. 1.

PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Vadalabene.

Yes. It reduces it to the Governor's allocation level, and move for its adoption.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Vadalabene has moved the adoption of Committee Amendment No. l to Senate Bill 1842. Discussion? If not, those in favor will indicate by saying Aye. Opposed, Nay. The Ayes have it. Committee Amendment No. is adopted. Further committee amendments?

No further committee amendments.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Any amendments from the Floor?

No Floor amendments.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMDZIO) 3rd Reading. Senate Bill 1843. Senator Maitland. Madam Secretary, 1843.

Senate Bill 1843. (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Reading of the bill. The Committee on Appropriations 11 offers Committee Amendment No. 1.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) l00  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 Senator Hall.

Thank you, Mr. President and Ladies and Gentlemen of khe Senate. This reduces to khe Governor's allocation level of two hundred and forty million: plus a thousand 2261. I ask for the adoption of Committee Amendment No. 1.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Hall has moved the adoption of Committee Amendment No. 1 to Senate Bk11 1:43. Dkscusston? If not, those kn favor Wk11 indicate by saying Aye. Opposed, Nay. The Ayes have it. Committee Amendment No. l is adopted. Further committee amendments?

No further committee amendments.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Any amendments from the Ploor?

No Floor amendments.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) 3rd Reading. Senate Bill 1844. Senator Carroll. Madam Secretary, 1844.

Senate Bill 1844. (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Reading of the bill. The Committee on Appropriations 11 offers Committee Amendment No. 1.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Carroll.

Thank you, Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. This would bring the appropriation request down to the Governorls levele and I would move its adoption. 101 i STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20# 1992 PRESIDING OEEICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Carroll has moved the adoption of Committee Amendment No. 1 to Senate Bill 1844. Is there discussion? If not, I'm sorry. Senator Brookins. SENATOR BROOKINS: Thank you. Will the sponsor yield for a question? PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Sponsor indicates he will yield. Senator Brookins. SENATOR BROOKINS: Thank you. Senator Carroll, maybe you can answer for a couple of bills for me/ but mainly this one. The tuition that is paid by the students at SIU and et cetera, will -- what effect will that have on that tuition? As we know they have doubled, in some universities, the amount of tuition paid, or significant raised tuition at all universities. Could you just, at this time, give me a little insight on that? PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Carroll. SENATOR CARROLL: will try to illuminate you. The boards brought in the budgets at a fairly high level. The Governor recommended a tuition increase of about four percent. Each of these budgets were then reduced by the Appropriations 11 Committee down to that level of four percent. Several of the boards have met - I think one is still meeting - to increase that level of tuition increase to ten, eleven: or whatever the percentages. Nothing in these bills allows that to happen. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Further discussion? Senatgr -- Senator Brookins. All right. Further discussion? Senator Carroll has moved the adoption of Committee Amendment No. l to Senate Bill 1844. A1l in favor will indicate by sayinq Aye. Opposed, Nay. The Ayes have it. l02  STATE 0F ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 Committee Amendment No. l is adopted. Further committee amendments?

No further committee amendments.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Any amendments from the Floor?

No Floor amendments.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) 3rd Reading. Senate Bill 1845. Madam Secretary, please.

Senate Bill 1845. (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Reading of the bill. The Committee on Appropriations 11 offers Commlttee Amendment No. 1.

PRESTDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Severns.

Thank youw Mr. President, Members of the Senate. Committee Amendment No. reduces to the Governor's allocation level. would move for its adoption.

PRESIDING OEFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Severns has moved the adoption of Committee Amendment No . to Senate Bill 1845. Is there discussion? not, those in favor Will indicate by saying Aye. Opposed, Nay. The Ayes have it. Committee Amendment No. 1 is adopted. Further committee amendments?

Committee Amendment No. 2.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Severns.

103  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 This committee amendment simply reduces the out-of-state travel line at the State Community College by seventeen thousand seven hundred dollars.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Is there discussion? Senator Severns has moved the adoption of Committee Amendment No. 2 to Senate Bill 1845. If not: those in favor will indlcate by saying Aye. Opposed, Nay. The Ayes have it. Committee Amendment No. 2 is adopted. Further committee amendments?

No further committee amendments.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Any amendments from the Floor?

No Floar amendments.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) 3rd Reading. Senate Bill 1846. END OF TAPE TAPE 3

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Do -- do you wish to have 1846 called? All right. Senate Bill 1846, Madam Secretary.

Senate Bill 1846. (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Reading of the bill. The Committee on Appropriations 11 offers Committee Amendment No. 1. l04  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY I REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT I i 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992

PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Severns. !

This is simply the community college rate bill, substantive language, actually, but it reduces the small college funding from one hundred and twenty thousand to sixty khousand, and retains rates for credit hour reimbursement from the Board of Higher Ed recommendations. I would move its adoption.

PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Severns has moved the adoption of Committee Amendment No . 1 to Senate Bill 1846. Discussion? If not, those in favor Will indicate by saying Aye. Opposed, Nay. The Ayes have it. Committee Amendment No. 1 is adopted. Further committee amendments?

No further committee amendments.

PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Any amendments from the Floor?

No Floor amendments.

PRESIDING OPPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) 3rd Reading. Senate Bill 1847. Senator Etheredge. Madam Secretary, 1847.

Senate Bill 1847. (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Reading of the bill. The Committee on Appropriations 11 offers Committee Amendment No. 1.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Let me -- let me pose a question, Senator Carroll. Senator Hall. Procedurally, so I can make this qo a little faster - in the past the committee chairmen have moved the adoption of the l05  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSZMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 committee amendments, but I've noticed that we are now reverting to the -- the sponsors of the bills. Just for clarification, who's moving what? Senator Hall. A1l right. Senator Etheredge.

Thank youe Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen cf the Senate. This Committee Amendment No. l reduces the ISAC appropriation to the Governor's allocation level. I'd move for its adoption.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) All right. Senator Carroll -- Senator Etheredge has moved the adoption of Committee Amendment No. 1 to Senate Bill 1847. Is there discussion? If not, those in favor w1ll indicate by saying Aye. Opposed, Nay. The Ayes have it. Committee Amendment No . 1 is adopted. Purther committee amendments?

Commkttee Amendment No. 2.

PRESIDTNG OFFTCER: (SENATOR DEMUZTO) Senator -- now, Senator Hall.

Thank you. Thank you, Mr. President. Committee Amendment No. 2 eliminates l.4 million Student Loan Fund's budget for a lease purchase agreement for the new Deerfield facility. I move for the adoption of the amendment.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Hall's moved the adoption of Committee Amendment No. 2. Is there discussion? If not, those in favor will indicate by saying Aye. Opposed, Nay. The Ayes have it. Committee Amendment No. 2 is adopted. Further commlttee amendments?

No further committee amendments.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Any amendments from the Floor?

l06  STATE OP ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20y 1992 No Floor amendments.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) 3rd Reading. Senate Bill 1848. Senator Etheredge. Madam Secretary, 1848.

Senate Bill 1848. (Secretary reads tktle of bill) 2nd Reading of the bill. No committee amendments.

PRESIDING OPPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator -- any amendments from the Floor?

Senator Etheredge offers Amendment No. 1.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Etheredge.

Thank you, Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. This amendment strips the bièl and converts it to a vehicle. T move for its adoption.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Etheredge has moved the adoption of Amendment No. 1. Is there discussion? If not, those in favor Will indicate by saying Aye. Opposed, Nay. The Ayes have it. Amendment No . is adopted. Further amendments?

No further amendments.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) 3rd Reading. Senate Bill 1849, Madam Secretary.

Senate Bill 1849. (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Reading of the bill. The Committee on Appropriations 11 offers Committee Amendment No. 1. l07  STATC OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Hall.

Thank you, Mr. President. This reduces it to the Governor's allocation level. I move for the adoption of the amendment.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Hallls moved the adoption of Committee Amendment No. 1. Is there discussion? If not, those in favor will indicate by saying Aye. Opposed, Nay. The Ayes have it. Committee Amendment No. l is adopted. Further committee amendments?

No further committee amendments.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Any amendments from the Ploor?

No Floor amendments.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) 3rd Reading. Senate Bill 1850, Madam Secretary.

Senate Bill 1850. (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Reading of the bill. The Committee on Appropriations 11 offers Committee Amendment No. 1.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Hall.

Mr. President, this reduces to the Governor's allocation level. I move for the adoption of Amendment No.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Hall 's moved the adoption of Committee Amendment No. 1. Is there discussion? If not, those in favor will indicate by saying Aye. Opposed, Nay. The Ayes have it. Committee Amendment 108  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 No. l is adopted. Further committee amendments?

No further committee amendments.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Any amendments from the Floor?

No Floor amendments.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SCNATOR DEMUZIO) 3rd Reading. Senate Bill 1867. Senator Hall. Madam Secretary, 1867.

Senate Bills -- Senate Bill 1867. (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Reading of the bill. No committee amendments.

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Any amendments from the Floor?

No Ploor amendments.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) 3rd Readinq. Senate Bill 1868. Madam Secretary, please.

Senate Bill...

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Hall. A1l right. 1868.

No amendments.

Senate Bill 1868* (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Reading of the bill. No committee amendments.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Any amendments from the Floor? 109  STATE OF ILLINOIS I : 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION I SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20# 1992

No Floor amendments.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) 3rd Reading. Senate Bill 1869. Madam Secretary, please.

Senate Bill 1869. (S i ecretary reads title of bill) ; 2nd Reading of the bill. No committee amendments.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Any amendments from the Floor?

No Ploor amendments.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) 3rd Readin:. Senate Bill 1870. Madam Secretary, please. SECRETARY HAWKER : I Senate Bill 1870. (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Reading of the bill. No committee amendments. '

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Any amendments from the Floor?

No Floor amendments.

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) 3rd Reading. Senate Bill 1871. Madam Secretary' please.

Senate Bill 1871. (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Reading of the bill. No committee amendments.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Any amendments from the Floor?

No Floor amendments. 1l0  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLX i REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20. 1992 ( i PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) ; 3rd Reading. Senate Bill 1872. Madam Secretary, please. !

Senate Bill 1872. (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Reading of the bill. No committee amendments. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) ! Any amendments from the Floor?

No Floor amendments. PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) i 3rd Reading. Senate Bill 1873. Madam Secretaryy please. l

Senate Bill 1873. (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Reading of the bill. No committee amendments.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Any amendments from the Ploor?

No Floor amendments.

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) 3rd Reading. Senate Bill 1874, Madam Secretary.

Senate Bill 1874. (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Reading of the bill. No committee amendments.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Any amendments from the Floor?

No Floor amendments.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) 3rd Reading. Senate Bill 1875, Madam Secretary. lll  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLX REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20y 1992

Senate Bill 1875. (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Reading of the bill. No committee amendments.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Any amendments from the Floor?

No Floor amendments.

PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) 3rd Readkng. Senate Bk11 1876. Madam Secretary, please.

Senate Bill 1876. (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Reading of the bill. No committee amendments.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Any amendments from the Ploor?

No Ploor amendments.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) 3rd Reading. Senate Bill 1880. Madam Secretary, read the bill, please. 1880.

Senate Bill 1880. (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Reading of the bill. No committee amendments.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Any amendments from the Floor?

Senator Carroll offers Amendment No.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Carroll.

l12  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENEQAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT I 107th Leqislative Day May 20, ; 1992 ( Th i d ank youy Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. ! One of the things our hearings in the Appropriations Committee identified is: (a) that jobs are one of the most important things we could be worrying about as a State; and (b) that Prairie State 2000 as an Authority Was probably the most effective in job training, and therefore job creation. The Floor Amendment No. 1 would therefore reinstate Prairie State 2000 as an agency. The grants are at the Governor's budget level, and the operations are fifteen percent below the Fiscal f92 funding levels. I would move adoption of Amendment No. 1.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) All right. Senator Carroll has moved the adoption of Amendment No. 1. Is there discussion? Senator Etheredge.

Thank you very much, Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. I would urge everyone to take a very close look at this. I meanr what wedre -- what wefre proposing to do here is to increase the projected costs of this program a total of almost a million dollars above what the Governor has proposed in his budget. There is an additional six hundred and forty thousand dollars in -- in grants included in this proposal above and beyond the Governorls budget. We're also proposing to double - double - the administrative costs of this -- of this program, and that amounts to an extra two hundred and sixty-some-odd thousand dollars beyond What the Governor has -- has recommended. I thknk that there are a great many of us here on the Floor that have an interest in brinqing our expenditures in line with our revenues, and I would suggest that by voting for this particular amendment We are going the Wrong direction here; Wedre going to be increasing the cost of State Government by about a million dollars. I Would urge a No vote on this amendment, and Mr. President, I would ask for a roll call. 1l3  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) A11 right. Further discussion? If not, Senator Carroll may close.

Thank you, Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. Actually, as I understand it, the grants in this amendment are exactly that which the Governor proposed. The operations were brought in fifteen percent undeç Piscal 192. But let's talk about what we 're really supposed to be all about. Even the Director of the Department that was to inherit this agency admitted that Prairie State 2000 does a good job. Any of you who have spoken to employers in this State - from a1l over this State - tell you the only one doin: a good job - the only one doing a good job - is Prairie State 2000. Who's not doing a good job? DCCA. So where's the Governor putting ik? DCCA. That makes no sense at all. If it ain't broke, don't make broke, and that's what the Governor's proposal was intending to do; take the one program that works and turn it into one of the many that does not. This amendment says let's create jobs by training. Let's do it the only way that the people Who get the benefit tell us works, and let's do it right. And I would urge its adoption.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Carroll's moved the adoption of Amendment No. 1. All in favor will vote Aye. Those opposed, Nay. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have a1l voted who wish? Have all voEed who Wish? Take the record. On that question, the Ayes are 27y the Nays are 28e none voting Present. The amendment fails. Further amendments?

No further amendments.

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) l14 ' STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY E REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 3rd Reading. Senate Bill 1881. Senator Carroll. Madam Secretary, 1881. SECRETARY HAWKER: Senate Bill 1881. (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Reading of the bill. No committee amendments. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) . Any amendments from the Floor? SECRETARY HAWKER: No Floor amendments. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) 3rd Reading. Senate Bill 1882. Senator Carroll. Madam Secretary, 1882, please. SECRETARY HAWKER : ( Senate Bill 1882. (Secretary reads title of bill) l 2nd Reading of the bill. No committee amendments. I ! PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Any amendments from the Floor? I SECRETARY HAWKER: j No Floor amendments. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) 3rd Reading. Senate Bill 1883, Madam Secretary. SECRETARY HAWKER : Senate Bill 1883. (Secretary reads kiele of b11l) 2nd Reading of the bill. No committee amendments. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Any amendments from the Ploor? SECRETARY HAWKER: No Eloor amendments. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) l15  STATE OP ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLV REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 3rd Reading. 1884. Madam Secretary, please.

Senate Bill 1884. (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Reading of the bill. No committee amendments.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Any amendments from the Floor?

No Floor amendments.

PRESIDING OPPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) 3rd Reading. Senate Bill 1885, Madam Secretary.

Senate Bill 1885. (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Reading of the bill. No committee amendments.

PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Any amendments from the Floor?

No Floor amendments.

PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) 3rd Reading. Senate Bill 1886. Madam Secretary, please.

Senate Bi1l 1886. (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Reading of the bill. No committee amendments.

PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR DEMDZIO) Any amendments from the Floor?

No Floor amendments.

PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) 3rd Reading. Senate Bill 1887. Senator Carroll. Madam Secretary, 1887, please. l16  STATE 0F ILLINOIS 87th GENEDAT. ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992

Senate Bill 1887. I (Secretary reads tiEle of bill) i 2nd Reading of the bill. The Committee on Appropriations I offers Committee Amendment No. 1. i PRESIDING O i FFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) ' Senator Carroll.

Thank you, Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. I move to table Committee Amendment 1. It is technically incorrect. We have filed a Ploor amendment that would be technically correct. I Would at this time move to table Committee Amendment No. 1.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Carroll's moved to table Committee Amendment No. 1 to Senate Bill 1887. A1l in favor, indicate by saying Aye. Opposed, I I Nay. The Ayes have it. Committee Amendment No. l is tabled. Further committee amendments? I SECRETARY HAWKER: I No further committee amendments.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Any amendments from the Floor?

Senator Carroll offers Amendment No. 2.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Carroll.

Why, thank you, Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. Committee -- actually Floor Amendment No. 2 is the technically correct version of that which we intended to do in committee, and that is to raise the level of GO bonds refunding. Ik will allow us, because of some lowering of interests rates, we 1l7  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 believe, to save an additional fourteen million seven-hundred thousand. I would move adoption of Ploor Amendment No. 2.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) E Is there discussion? Senator Keats. j

Question of the sponsor.

PRESIDING OPPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Indicates he will yield. Senator Keats.

There is a meritorious reason for refinancing certain bonds. According to our analysis - and this is What I would like to clarify with the sponsor - it does also call for a total increase in bonded indebtedness. Now the part in terms of refinancing makes sense, because We can get lower interest. Are We increasing the potential bonded indebtedness with some of the rest of the amendment, or is it just -- or am I -- or is our analysis incorrect?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Carroll.

It is my understanding, Senator Keats, that what we are adjusting is the amount that can be refunded. And it's -- if youdll look at line 12, it says ''for the purpose of refunding.'' So we have to raise the amount that can be refunded in order to capture these savings. It does not raise the total authorization. Page 1, line l2. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) j i Further discussion? Senator Carroll's moved the adoption of I I Amendment No. 2. Those in favor will indicate by saying Aye. Opposed: Nay. The Ayes have it. Amendment No. 2 is adopted. Further amendments?

118  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20e 1992 No further amendments.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMCZIO) 3rd Reading. Senate Bill 1388, Madam Secretary. ...tmachine cutoffloo.apologize to the group. It's on my script, but I i apparently the bill is not even on the Calendar, so - Senate Bill k 2000. Senator Watson. Senator Watson. 2001. 2001, Madam ! Secretary.

Senate Bill 2001. ! I (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Reading of the bill. The Committee on Appropriations I offers Committee Amendment No. 1. I PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) i ' Senator Carroll . !

Thank you, Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. l This is the Senate guldelines. And in this particular casey what I 1 we did with the potential savings was to reallocate them for abandoned mines grants: so that We could actually get more use into the grant llnes. And I would move its adoption.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Carroll has moved the adoption of Committee Amendment - - Committee Amendment No. 1. Is there discussion? Senator Watson. i

Yes. Thank you. Senator, we had a discussion yesterday concerning the fact that this money is a11 federal dollars, and it has no General Revenue Fund implications or no State dollars at all. Having said that nowy I would have thought you night Withdrak this partlcular amendment. I

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Carroll. 1l9  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERA; ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992

What we are waiting to find out, Senator Watson -- you and I had spoken. Yes, they are federal dollars. We thought they would be better spent - rather than creating two sets of criteria, if possible, for those who work under one payroll or another - better spent in the grant lines for actually doing the abandoned mine reclamation. It is my sugqestion: Senator Watson, that at least when we try to find out an answer to that - could these federal dollars be used for the grants and Would that not be better? - of course, we don't expect an answer of would it not be better. But could they be used for federal grants? We have not been told there 's a reason they could notr If they cannot be used for grants - and if we can 't find out today, maybe tomorrow - I will table the amendment or -- or puç an amendment to -- to reverse it. But if they can, then I think we should apply the same guidelines and put it into abandoned mine reclamation.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Further discussion? Senator Watson.

Well, I'm just going to oppose the amendment, because each year we fve had to go Ehrough this with the Abandoned Mines Council, and Director Tim Hickmann has worked with the committee always, and -- and we've always reinstated the dollars. Wedre talking about six hundred and ten thousand five hundred dollars - a third of their operation budget. And the federal guidelines dictate how this money can be spent. It's really not something that we here have much control over. And it's certainly -- it's really very punitive to the agency and to his mission and being able to accomplish the work that this particular agency does. So I think we ought to resist this amendment.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Purther discussian? Senator Etheredge. l20 I STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENEPAL ASSEMBLX REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 SENATOR ETHEREDGE: i ! Thank you very much, Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. I propose here to make some comments that relate, not so much to this particular bill, but to the guidelines that have I I been utilized in making the reductions in the operations of -- of ; I this council. And the remarks that I'm about to make apply not i only to this bille but each one of the appropriation bills that -- that follows that has to do With the operational departments of -- of State Government. As I said before, I think that there -- that the great majority, if not a1l of us here on the Floor, have an interest in reducing the State's spending levels so that they will come Within the available revenue. So that We -- We are interested in making budget cuts. We are interested in making State Government more efficient than perhaps it has been in the past. But I would suggest to you that the guidelines that have been utilized in developing this budget and those that follow, via the amendment process, are truly bogus. They are bogus because there are no substantive changes in the 1ak that would, in fact, make these reductions work. For example, we are cutting the prinking line items, but at the sane time making no statutory changes in those parts of the Statutes that mandate publication of various notices and reports and so forth on the part of the departments of State Government. And we can go through a1l these other quidelines. These really are bogus. And I kould suggest that the -- the Governor and -- has been working with -- with us over the last eighteen months to do real - not bogus, but real - budget cuts. And the only way We can really do real budget cuttinq is by changing the State's programs and services: modifying them in Ways that will make them more economical. So, I know that for many of you this amendment is going to be appealing to youg and you will vote for $t. But 1, for one, will be voting against this particular amendment, because it is bogus. I Would l2l  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY ! REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 suggest to you that the Chicago Sun-Times had it right on May 17th, when: in their lead editorial, they said - and I'm quoting noW the Sun-Times - ''No one is fooled by any of this posturing. ..w gets the State closer to solving its fiscal problems from inadequate school fundin: to the mountain of overdue bills. It is i ! a charade, not substance. It wastes time and insults the 1 , ! intelliqence of taxpayers.'' I would suggest thak it - on this occasion, at least - the sun-Times was right on.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Further discussion? Senator Maitland. ! ' ! SENATOR MAITLAND: l Thank you very much, Mr. President, Members of the Senate. I suppose it's appropriate for both of us on this side of the aisle 1 . to comment and then allow the -- the process to move forward. We j debated this issue last week quite a bie in committee; kalked about the problems; have studied the impact upon the various agencies in State Government as a result of these amendments. And I would suggest to the Body that you -- you look at the process as I ! we deal with it here in Springfield. You know, *e bring agency direetors out of the private sector because they are good I managers, and they can run departments and divisions and companies. And we bring them into State Government and ask them to run an agency. And they have been under tremendous pressure, espeeially in this administration, to get this fiscal house in order. And they are doing it. And they worked for months - for months - structuring a budget that continued to scale down and streamline government - not as much as we'd like to seez but they made progress, and that was the budget. They did that a year ago. I They did it in January. They did it again this spring. And khen last week -- then last week, the other side of the aisle, Who know much more about running those agencies than those agency directors know: just took a brush and said, I'This is how much wedre going to I 122  STATE 0F ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 cut you'' - not changing whatsoever the obligations that those i I agencies have, as suqgested in the Sun-Times and others. And those of you who attended that -- that news conference last week know that the media saw through this charade, said it Won't work, and it wondt. My goodness, kt is early in the Session. It is early in the Session. Everyone would like to make all the cuts in the world. But I Would suggest to you, Members of this Body, look at where some of these cuts are. Senator Rea. Senator Collins. Some of you who are going to find this dramatically affecting your district - how in the World can you vote for such a charade? And the answer is you probably canft. Wepve :ot a long Ways to go in this process. The effort we are about today doesn't - doesn't - allow State Government to move forward smookhly. I plan to reject al1 of these. And let me make one final comment. Senator Carroll passed out to you today an editorial in the Daily Pantagraph: Which happens to be my home newspaper. And they made some strong statements about the State Democrats taking right steps. They read the news release. I talked to them today; they didn't know anything about the add-ons that are coming down the pike. They knew nothing about that. They were shocked to hear that. Why Wouldn't they put that in the news release? I said, ''Gosh! I don't know. But they sure didndt, did they?l' I said, f'That's what this process is a1l about.'l Call a spade a spade. This is a charade.

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Further discussion? Senator Keats.

During the 1980s -- during the 1980s, bipartisanly, many of us in this Body complained about these goofy supplemental appropriations of hundreds of millions of dollars. This amendment is Why, in khe 1980s, we had a1l these supplementals; because in the budget process the chairman of the committee decided, as a 123  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 1Q7th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 joke, 'We're going to cut this budget and make it look balanced and make it look like we've reduced ito'' But they've reduced items without authorizing, in reality, less spending. So that, come the fall, We have to come in and put in a supplemental appropriation to put some of this money back in. If you really wanted to make these cuts, you would tell the agencies, ''ïou don't have to spend the money on these things.'' You haven't changed the authorization; all youdve done is misled people, so that in the fall you guarantee another supplemental appropriation that will embarrass every Member of this Chamber, as if somehow, bipartisanly, we can't add and we can't put together a budget. The 1980s' budgets Were full of this - year in and year out. We'd come back in the fall to correct the silliness we'd done July 5th or 6th, when we were still meeting, because We did not have the candor or honesty to lower what we really Were spending ; We would take out items that had to be spent - the most notorious one havinq been Medicaid. It Was a joke/ but We'd -- We'd underappropriate and pretend like we'd saved money. I mean, what -- what fool thinks welve done that? Bipartisanly there are many Members on your side of the aisle and every Member on our side of the aisle is more than willing to bipartisanly make substantial reductions ln the budget. But this amendment is a joke. A11 it guarantees is that in the fall We will be back in to do a supplemental appropriation, because these agencies arer by law, required to spend this money that wedre not appropriatinq. mean, what goofiness!

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Further discussion? Senator Rock.

Thank youy Mr. President. Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate, as long as Senators Etheredge and Maitland have made some global remarks that pertain to the subject at hand this afternoong I l24  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLV REGULAR SESSION SENATE TKANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 thought it only appropriate that I would add my two cents' worth. And -- and letgs back up just a moment. There is some - I sense - some fit of pique about the proposed Senate guidelines, which, in fact, in prior years have been as a result of a bipartisan effort. And well they should be, I think, even this year. Because What we 're dealing with and what has yet to be said, or remains unsaid on this Floor, is that the Governor has introduced a spendin: level of thirteen billion three hundred and sixty million dollars of General Revenue Funds, three hundred and fifty million of which are supposed to come from revenue enhancements, two hundred and thirty-five million dollars out of the hide of local governments. The Governor said, to a1l of us assembled in Joint Session, ''All bets are off; no more agreements; premises have changed; we fre going to take this money back - tWo hundred and thirty-five million dollars - and I propose to spend it.'î And he said, ''We 're gokng to have an eighty-million-dollar liquor tax increase, and a fifteen-million-dollar prepayment of liquor tax increase, and a ten-million-dollar increase in the tobacco tax. And wedre going to deny corporations the opportunity to carry forward, or carry back: or carry a debt, and so theypre goin: to have to pay more taxes to the tune of about twenty million dollars.'' Now What's yet to be said on this Floor, as was said so eloquently this mornkng in the House, where nobody - nobody - voted to take the money away from local government, and two people voted affirmatively to impose those taxes, or increase those taxes. So I think we ought to be realistic enough to say there is a distinct probability that the three hundred and fifty million dollars ' worth of revenue enhancements, as proposed by the Governor, are going nowhere. Now where does that leave us? That leaves us from day oner or at least day nowr three hundred and fifty million dollars short in the proposed spending plan. And so What we are saying by the Senate guidelines is, we will do our level best to l25  STATE OP ILLINOIS j 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLX REGULAR SESSTON ! SENATE TRANSCRIPT I i 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 reduce spending even further to compensate for that three-fifty . And so if you add up all the Senate guidelines cuts on the half of the budget that we have before us, it'll amount to somewhere around eighty million. Forget the add-backs for the moment. It's E an eighty-mi'llion-dollar reduction in spending: and we ought to a11 be for that. The House this afternoon is arguing about tuo hundred million dollars in spending cuts from their half of the budget, and over the weekend these bills Will cross. And theyîll have our half and welll have their halfz and Wedll go to work a:ain. But you cannot talk simply about cutting or not cutting or i i it's too early. It's not too early. I don't Want to be here July 15th making this argument. The fact of the matter is, the Governor proposed three hundred and fifty million dollars in ! i revenue enhancements. And welre not going to do it. Now Why don't we just stand up and say, ''We're not going to do it'? What's the alternative? The alternative is in part presented by these ! amendments. We are going to cuk eighty million dollars; the House l is going to cut tWo hundred; and between the tWo of us, we Will, at some point, hopefully, in the end of June, arrive at three hundred and fifty million dollars in cuts. We will reduce government spending by three hundred and fifty million dollars, because we will not - we will not - deprive those cities and villages of two hundred and thirty million dollars. We will not stand for that egregious increase in the liquor tax, and we will not go With any of the other gimmicks the Governor has. Now let's just admit it: and let's carry on an aktempt to cut spending.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Further discussion? Senator Maitland, for a second time.

Well, Mr. President, I apologlze for rising a second time. And, Senator Rock, you make a tremendous argument, if tWo things had happened. Number one, some of the bills We are going to be 126  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 voting on today put substantial new money or proposed cuts back in this budget. I mean, they bre there - we are going to be voting on them. So your argument falls on deaf ears. If it was flat cuts, then that's one thing, and I agree. The second point is the point that the agency directors were not consulted by that side of the aisle to offer suggested changes that might be workable and serve State Government. Staff just made a -- a brush cut and said, ''This is the way it's going to be.'' In arguing for Senator Netsch 's -- Senator Netsch's proposal, her -- her amendment -- a short time ago, you made this statement: ''Severely inhibit her ability to perform her duty.'' Thatls a good statement. She is a manager. You got that amendment from her. She is the manager of that Department. And they are probably Workable and doable, because you consulted with her. These agency directors have not been consulted whatsoever. And the fact of the matter is and as a consequence of that - these cuts severely affect that agency director's ability to run his or her shop, and that's what we object to.

PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) All right. Senator Rock.

Point of order. I will again turn the Gentlemanls words right back on him. They have another six weeks with which to deal with these cuts as we propose them. But I view the role of the Illinois General Assembly, or any Legislature, for that matter, as having some kind of independence. I don't rely, for the judgments that I make, in total upon what some agency director thinks or doesn't think. We have a responsibility, given the fact that my political judgment - my governmental judgment - is that we are not going to take that three hundred and fifty million dollars, as proposed by the Governor, so we have to make it up. And the only way we can make it up is by cuts. And if, indeed, when these l27  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20# 1992 bills get to the House and some agency director comes in and says, ''Holy smoke! I can't operatey''some adjustment can be made, Iîm sure. But I don't think it's our responsibility as Members of this Assembly, as an equal branch of qovernment, to have to sit in constant consultation with the executive agencies before we make a move. I just don't believe that's the Way We do business.

PRESIDING OPPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Further discussion? Senator Keats, for a second time.

Senator Rock, I agree with every word youdve said. I commend you for saying it. Everything you said is true. There's only one problem: your tWo premises are in error. Youdre not cukting; this money is going to go back in the fall in the supplemental, because youdre telling the agencies they still have to spend it. And secondly - probably just as important - as Senator Maitland just said, youdre putting back in more than youdre taking out. Every word you said is true; it just doesn't happen to be what you're doingz thatîs all.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) A1l right. Senator Rock.

You know, unfortunately, there's a lot of shooting from the hip over there. That's simply not accurate. That simply is not accurate - that we are putting in, or putting back, or attempting to put back more than we are cutting. That simply is not accurate.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) All right. Further discussion? Senator Carroll may close.

Thank you, Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. I guess I can't resist the opportunity to make a few comments also. Senator Maitland: youdre Wrong. Youdre dead wrong. Your 128  STATC OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 paper said it - this is a good first step. I donît believe they're as dumb as you claimed they were, since the press release - a copy of which you got, or if not, we'll give it to you - said within its text What we're cutting and the programs we felt were overlooked, including pharmaceutical assistance, including Prairie State 2000. Itls a two-page press release, with the attachments - isn't that hard to read. Any reporter can read it. I'm sure they did. If not, then where did they get their information from? Secondly, you talk about these programs. Eight-dollar reports - nobody told them to spend eight dollars on glossy photos. Use the photocopier. That's how you reduce some spending, Senator Keats. Not your Military Affairs, eight dollars a report, and other such ' I agencies - and I don't mean yours personally; I mean State Government. Where does it say in the 1aw that these reports have to be pictures of every director, With every governor, with every legislator Who supports them , outside printing contracts to pay for them? Where does it say in the 1aW that one out of every five State employees should have a vehicle at their disposal? Where does it say in the law that when you get down well below deputy director through the administrative assistants and on# they should have car phones? We're not talking about the caseworkers; We're talking about the bureaucracy. The cuts go to paper clips - yes - not programs. The cuts go -- the legislative liaisons - Where does it say in the programmatic law that some agencies need eight, ten, Ewelve legislative liaisons? Governor's got an office for that. Where does it say any of that in the programmatic law? Where does it say they should travel al1 over the world on, supposedly, the people 's business? It's the people ls money that they dre traveling on, not the people's business. Keep them here doing their job. That's What these cuts are al1 about. And, Senator Watson, to you: the agency just tells us this money can be reallocated. Hickmann, I believe was the name - Tim - who said, as we were l29  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20# 1992 speaking, ''Yes, this money under federal grant can go into what it's supposed to go to - abandoned mines reclamation.'' And I move l ! its adoption.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Carroll has moved the adoption of Committee Amendment No. 1. Those in favor Will vote Aye. Those opposed, Nay. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted Who Wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted Who Wish? Take the record. On that questiong the Ayes are 29, the Nays are 22. Committee Amendment No. l is adopted. Further committee amendments?

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HAPRY) No further committee amendments.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Any amendments from the Floor?

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HADRY) No Floor amendments.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) 3rd Reading. Senate Bill 2002. Senator Weaver. Mr. Secretary, 2002, please.

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HAQRY) Senate Bill 2002. (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Reading of the bill. The Committee on Appropriations I offers one amendment.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Carroll.

Thank you, Mr. President and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. This amendment basically does three things. One, it applies the guidelines. Secondly, it deletes money that was ; I budgeted for moving to an office yet unknown. They don 't even l30  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLX I REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT i 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 know if theytre going to move yet. And then third, it takes those i savings and -- and actually is going to be giving them to General i Revenue, so that we 'd have some real savings. I would move its adoption. ! PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) i Senator Carroll's moved the adoption of Commitkee Amendment No. 1. Discussion? If not, those in favor will indicate by saying Aye. Opposed, Nay. The Ayes have it. Committee Amendment No. l is adopted. Further committee amendments?

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. WAPRY) No further committee amendments.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Any amendments from the Floor?

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HAQRX) Amendment No. 2 offered by Senator Carroll.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Carroll.

Thank you, Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate . This is a technical amendment. No dollar impact. I would move its adoption.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Carroll moves the adoption of Amendment No. 2 to Senate Bill 2002. Discussion? If not: those in favor Will indicate by saying Aye. Opposed, Nay. The Ayes have it. Amendment No. 2's adopted. Furkher amendments?

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HAPRY) Amendment No. 3 offered by Senator Carroll.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Carroll.

One sec, if we can, please. There 's no third amendment. 13l  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20# 1992

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) i All right. Further amendments? I

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. NADRY) No further amendments.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) 3rd Reading. Senate Bill 2003. Senator Etheredge. ! ! ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HARRY) i 1 ! Senate Bill 2003.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Whoa, whoa, whoa, Whoa, whoaz whoa, Whoa. All right. Senate Bill 2003, Mr. Secretaryy please. I i ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. NAQRY) ! I Senate Bill 2003. (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Reading of bill. The Committee on Appropriations I offers one amendment. 1 i l PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) ' Senator Carroll.

Thank you, Mr. President: Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. This would be the guidelines amendment, and I would move its adoption . 1 ! PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) i Senator Carroll moves the adoption of Committee Amendment No . 1. Is there discussion? If not: those in favor Will indicate by ï saying Aye. Opposed, Nay. The Ayes have it. Committee Amendment I No. l is adopted. Further committee amendments?

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HADRY) No further committee amendments.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Any amendments from the Floor? : I ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. NAQRY) i ! l32  STATE OP ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLX REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Leqislative Day May 20, 1992 No Floor amendments.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) 3rd Readinq. Senate Bill 2004. Senator Etheredge. 2004, Mr. Secretary.

ACTING SECRETARX: (MR. NAQRY) Senate Bill 2004. (Secretary reads tktle of bi11) 2nd Reading of bill. The Committee on Appropriations I offers three amendments. Amendment No, 1.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Carroll.

Thank you, Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. Committee Amendment No. is to correct a -- an original drafting error in the bill, relating to the Lake County Community College Project. I would move its adoption.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Carroll has moved the adoption of Committee Amendment No. 1. Is there discussion? If not, those in favor Will indicate by saying Aye. Opposed, Nay. The Ayes have it. Committee Amendment No. l is adopted. Further committee amendments?

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HARRY) Committee Amendment No.

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Carroll.

Thank you, Mr. Presidenk, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. This provides for the correct funding source, to correct a drafting error, and certain other projects relating to judicial districts, and I would move its adoption.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Carroll moves the adoption of Conmittee Amendment No. 133  STATE OF ILLINOIS ' 87th GENENAT, ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20z 1992 2 to Senate 3i11 2004. Discussion? If not, those in favor will indicate by sayin: Aye. Opposed, Nay. The Ayes have it. Committee Amendment No. 2 is adopted. Further committee amendments? ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HAKRY) I Committee Amendment No . 3. ;

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Carroll.

Thank you, Mr. President: Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. This changes the project description for the Natural History i Survey Project, and I would move its adoption.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Carroll moves the adoption of Committee Amendment No. 3. Discussion? If not, those in favor will indicate by saying Aye. Opposed, Nay. The Ayes have it. Committee Amendment No. 3 is adopted. Further committee amendments?

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HAKRY) No further committee amendments.

PRESIDING OPPICER: (SENATOR DEMOZIO) Any amendments from the Floor?

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HARRY) Amendmenk No. 4 offered Senators Etheredge and Philip.

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) WICS-TV has requested permission to videotape. Is leave granted? Leave is granted. Senator Etheredge, on Amendment No. 4. Senator Etheredge. You're ltt. Try it.

I was just waiting for recognition. Ifm sorry, Mr. Presidentr I didn 't realize that I'd been recoqnized. Thank you, Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. This amendment would provide two and a half million dollars for the -- to provide 134  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 the State 's share for the reeonstruction of a high school in Plainfield, Illinois, that was destroyed by a tornado in August, a year ago. The -- the Federal Government has provided their share; however, the State has not. Some of you may remember the story at that time. The high school - Plainfield High School - was destroyed, and they have had to completely replace the facility . And We're -- I'm offering this amendment in order to provide the money to replace it. I move for its adoption.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Discussion? Senator Jacobs.

Thank you, Mr. President. Would the sponsor yield for a question, please?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Sponsor indicates he will yield. Senator Jacobs.

Senator Etheredge, was this 2.5 million dollars - I don't have a lot of qualms wkth helping those who have had Eome real problems - but was this part of a previous agreement in any way shape or form? And -- and if not, are we going to then get approval from that side of the aisle Whenever we come up with assistance for the City of Chicago and just arbitrarily put it in an appropriations bill? Or is this part of a bigger program that We had authorized this at an earlier date?. Could you answer thatr please?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator EEheredge.

Senator, I'm not aware of any -- any particular agreements on tbis individual project. Al1 I know is that in the past - and I'm reminded of Warren Township High Schoolr for example - in the past, when -- when high schools have been destroyedz by fire or by tornado or -- or what have you, that we have provided some relief 135  STATE OP ILLINOIS 87th GENENAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 to them. So this follows in in khat tradition. I cannot speak to Whether or not there's a particular agreement in regard to this institution.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Jacobs.

I guess my question would be then, if we knew we were going to do this, and I think the tornado was -- Was quite some aqo, Why did we not have a why did the Governor not include this in his budget, so that We did not have to go through this process? Again, 1et -- 1et me repeat, so wefre very clear. I'm -- I'm not really opposed to thks type of procedure, but I just want to be -- be prepared to know that if we're going to set a precedent on on making sure that We do these things, then it's going to follow through in in all emergency situations in the State.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Al1 right. Further discussion? Senator Holmberg.

Thank you, Mr. President. To the sponsor: I too had a school in my area that desperately needed money from the School Construction Fund. Itfs the most rapidly growing school district in the State of Illinois, and they're Without funds for a junior high school. That amendment was prepared: but I withdrew it: in consideration of needing to cut back and committing myself to fiscal integrity. This particular project really spoils the list of schools and my school was not one of them either that are on the list waitin: for the money in the School Construction Fund. This is somethin: that's been put in at the last minute. This school is not in the loop, so to speak. And which of the school dkstrkcts are you then takkng out of the School Constructkon Pund in order to do this?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) 136  STATE OP ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20# 1992 i All right. Senator Etheredge. I SENATOR ETHEREDGC: i Thank you, Mr. President. In -- in closing 1...

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) No, no, no# no, no. No, no. She -- *he lady asked a question. There are one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine lights that I know of at the moment. Senator Etheredge, to respond to the question.

Senator, would you repeat the question, please?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Holmberg.

Yes, school construction funds, as you know, on bondinq is -- is set up# you know, many, many years ahead. There are many people waiting in line for this money. If we add a school that has not been in the loop, Which school would you choose to remove?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Etheredge.

Senator What -- we are not proposing here an expansion of the caps program. What we -- what I am attempting to do, via this amendment, is to deal with a bona fide emergency caused by the destruction of a high school by a tornado. I would suggest that what we have done in the past is# We haven't made those -- put I those -- those schools on a list and waited until their time comes up to deal with the problem -- that we have indeed stepped in and tried to provide a facility for them in a expeditious manner. i Again, I cite to you Warren Township High School, which -- and a case which I remember very well, because it's been within the last ten years. So I'm not expanding here the caps program. I'm not trying to do that at all. Ilm just trying to deal With an l37  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENEPAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 emergency situation. E

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Further discussion? Senator Collins, for what purpose do you arise? 1

Point of personal privilege.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) State your point.

We have visiting with us today one of the elementary schools from our district, Webster Daniel on the west side, accompanied by I I their -- one of the teachers, Mr. Jackson. I Would just like -- i in the west gallery, I1d like for them to stand and be recognized 1 by the Senate.

PRESIDING OPPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) If our guests in the gallery will please rise. Welcome to Springfield. Further discussion? Senator Hawkinson.

Thank you, Mr. President. Statement and then a question. I'm not going to oppose the amendment. I understand this kind of situation and the prior fire situation youfve talked about, but I guess I wonder why the schools aren't insured. And shouldn't we in the future - to avoid this kind of coming to the State for this kind of money - shouldn't we require them to be insured against disasters like fire and tornado? If it's because the premiums are too large, perhaps that money oughk to be put aside lnto a depreciaeion account. so thak if Ehis kind of thinq does happen, that the money will be there. But I don't understand why, at I ! least prospectively - not addressing this one - we shouldn't i ! require insurance.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Etheredge. l38  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20# 1992

1 Senator, the -- the school building was insured. I think . we're dealing with a case here where the insurance simply was not -- not sufficient in order to -- to replace the facility. And I -- I cannot explain, you knou, a1l of those circumstances, but as I -- it simply is not enough to -- to replace the facility. And What we're asking for here is an amount which We think will be necessary from the State. Remember, the Federal Government now is putting seven and a half million dollarsv approximately, into this project. We think the two and a half million dollars is the outstde figure. If it only takes a million and a half, or two million dollars for the State's share to make up the difference between the insurance settlement and the cost of the -- the new facility, then obviously that's al1 that would be spent.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) All right. Senator Hawkinson.

As I indicatedz IIm not against this amendment, but it seems to me if the State's share is two and a half and the federal share is seven and a half, that the insurance was at least ten million dollars short; and that prospectively in any event - not to deal with tragedies that have already happened, but prospectively - we ought to put any public building or body on notice that they ought to carry replacement insurance, and that the State does not have the resources to come in and deal with this. And only prospectively, we ought to look at requiring insurance, and school boards ought to be looking at that.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) A1l right. Further discussion? Senator Berman.

Thank you. A couple questions of the sponsor.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DCMUZIO) l39  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLX REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20z 1992 I Indicates he will yield, Senator Berman. SENATOR BERMANI What's the date of the hurricane?

PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Etheredge. '

It was: I believe, Senator, mid-August 1990.

PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Berman, as I understood, it was a tornado. Senator Berman.

Tornado. Okay . Tornadoy hurricane - what's the difference: right? What facilities are provided for the students since that date?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Etheredge.

They have been leasing temporary facilities since thak time, Senator.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Berman.

All right. On the amendment: You had mentioned Warrenville High School, or Warren Township High School. I think that was in Senator Barkhausen's district. I think he attempted to do What you're attempting to do# and -- and many of us were reluctant to do that. And we worked out an arrangement whlch: in fact, was a loan, but Warren Township -- I would point out that there had been a local effort to address this loss, and I think that's whatls missing here. At least I'm not aWare of any attempt at referendum Eo raise the money locally ko address the shortfall in your board of education's underinsuring that facility. Now youlre asking for 1 l40  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLV REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 ! capital money. and as the Senator from that districtr I applaud your attempt to take care of your problem. Buk I think that you ( i are imposing upon many of us when you come in with this kind of an ' amendment, because I think that it makes you a hero back homey but it puts many of us in a very, very difficult position. We don'k ' have the money; we don't have the resources, and there has been no indication that your board, that made a mistake in underinsurinq that facility, has gone back to its voters and said, HMea culpa, we made a mistake. Let's try to bail ourselves out.'l And until that's done, I certainly would be in opposition to this attempt.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) All right. Further discussion? Senator O'Daniel.

Thank you, Mr. President and Members of the Senate. I'm going to have to rise in support of this -- this amendment. Some two years ago we had a disaster in -- in my district; school of Allendale was completely destroyed by a tornado. 1 got Governor Thompson to come down, and they appropriated an additional million dollars to help them build that facility. The children were -- part of the chkldren were put up in temporary classrooms; the others Were bused to different communities. But Wedre not talking about just rehabilitating facilities now. We're talking about a disaster here and -- and I think this is something that we should take a hard look at and support 'this amendment.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) All right. Further discussion? Senator Severns.

Thank you, Mr. President. Would the sponsor yield for a question?

PRESIDING OPPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Sponsor indicates he will yield. Senator Severns.

l4l  STATE OP ILLINOIS 87th GENEPAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 I Senator Etheredge: Where is the two and a half million dollars ' coming from? Are there follow-up amendments that are going to cut, kotaling two and a half million, and if so# where are they from?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Etheredge.

The school construction bond, Senator.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Severns.

Is the amendment offered?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Etheredge.

Yes. In the amendmente Senator, the source is identified as the School Construction Pund.

PRESIDING OEFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Further discussion? Senator Hudson.

Thank you, Mr. President. Ladies and Gentlemen, I don 't think that around here I have the reputation as being one of the big spenders. But it was my melancholy responsibility the day after that tornado swept in there from the northwest and through Plainfield, Illinois - Which happened to be in my district - to go down there and to vieW the results of that tornado and what it did ko khat town and what kt dkd to that school. I'm tellknq you as I stand here, that theadministrationbuildinginPlainfieldHigh j Schoolwasgone;itwasleveled. Theschoolbuilding itself was j absolutely, practically down, impossible to use anymoreasa 1 school. I am amazed around here sometimes as to what - particularly when it comes to education - what it is We decide is I l42  STATE OP ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20: 1992 really worth the taxpayers' money, and What we decide - welly l ! somehow or other wedve got to find a1l kinds of reasons Why we I shouldn'k put that taxpayers' money into that. But these people i had every reason to believe down there that they were going to get I some relief. Now this is a couple years ago, I will admit, but I they had every kind of reason to believe that they were -- as a I i matter of fact, had been promised by somebody - someone at the State level - that they would get some reliefe but that relief was not forthcominq. And now they're slmply asking us to do What they ' believed we were going to do at the time. And as I say, I'm not one who's inclined to throw money away, helter-skelter; I think i you know that. But I do rise in support of this, because I think j that community and the schoolchildren there -- that we rise here ( i on the Floor, and we talk about what we can do for the schoolchildren. The schoolchildren. Ifve heard that over my tWenty years here so many times, I can't begin to count them. And this is a time, I think, when we can really do something for the schoolchildreninPlainfield, Illànois, and I urqe your support of t this amendment. Thank you. !

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DKMUZIO) Further discussion? Senator Thomas Dunn. '

I rise in support of the amendment and to my good neighbors in l Plainfield. It's a shame that welre cauqht up in the system Where We bicker about the fate of children, whether they be the children I on welfarez or the children Who, as a resul: of another circumstance of which they had no control over, namely a tornado, I that took twenty-nine lives in my county - and I might add that i this project is not in my district - but that they found I themselves in the same position that many children find themselves j E in# and that's one Where they have no conkrol. They have suffered greatly in the sense thattheyfvehad to bebused a long Way to go 1 i l43  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SCNATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20: 1992 I to high school, and I know tbere's a freshman class that started I two years ago, and they may not even get the opportunity to qraduate from their own high school, Which is a meaningful event in everyone's life. I don't think we ought to be caught up in the politics, if you will, of an obligation that exists, Whether it be I *he City of Chicagor or whether it be Plainfield, or whether it be I I some other site in the State of Illinois that suffers a disaster; because we don't know who will be next. This was indeed a I horrkble event for the residents not only of Plainfield: but as l the tornado swept further south into Crest Hill and then into I Joliet, where it also took lives. So I rise in support of an amendment that says to our fellow members of the State of Illinois that ''We will come to your aid in the event that you have a catastrophic disaster, whether you be a person without health insurance or whether you be a child of a welfare mother and ' father, or whether you be a student from a goodarealike 1 Plainfield.''

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Further discussion? Senator Kelly. SENATOR KELLY: : Thank you, Mr. President. I too am going to support this amendment. I've driven by Plainfield High School on numerous l occasions; maybe that would -- helps to persuade after seeinq the 1 disaster that was there. On the national news they said this just I wasn 't an ordinary tornado; this is the worst ever recorded in the North American Continent, and I think it's responsible for us to give khis a higher priority, and I'm proud to support Senator Etheredge on his amendment. : PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) j Further discussion? Senator Palmer. I SENATOR PALMER: I Thank you, Mr. President and Members of the Body. I am gokng l44  STATE OP ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 I to support this amendment because it has to do with children and 1 their situation. Because in all fairness, I spoke before about the children in my community, but I hope by doing so it Will open the ears and the minds of some of khose who are opposed to much of what I skand for and others of us who live in central city areas. We have had emergencies for at least the last twelve to fifteen years when it comes to children, and we can't afford to contknue to put our children at risk. So I hope that there Will be some reciprocation when it comes to the time when we ask also that our children be qiven benefits and support. Thank you.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Further discussion? Senator Vadalabene.

Yes. Mr. Presidenk, Itm going to rise in support of the amendment. I too am sympathetic to what happened, and Senator Etheredge is a good Senator, and I support it.

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Further discussion? Senator Brookins.

Thank you, Mr. President. J need to just rise to tell my colleague that it don't seem to work that Way, and I'm talking about Senator Palmer. Senator Palmer, it don't seem to work that way. It seems to Work everything When some others are in trouble: but when youlre in trouble with your constituency in the Ciky of Chicago, it just don't seem ko want to Work that way. I'm not going to even vote on this amendmenE. and a No vote on an amendment is countermand to voting for the amendment. But I'm telling you Senator Palmer: you Watch and you stay herev and I hope you stay here a long time. I've been here six years now, and it don't seem to work the way it should work. Yes, it works for some special interests, but it don't work When your cttizens, and your students, and your kids are in trouble. It didn't work 145  STATE OP ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 : I earlier kn the day for you. I'm also going to say and ask that I think -- I don't know if this is What you call pork or not, but it smells like pork. Thank you.

A1l right. Ladies and Gentlemen, we have about seven additional speakers who have indicated they wish to be heard. In the meantime, I have a special guest, an old friend of mine, who is under some serious time constraint, but he did not want to leave the City of Springfield without saying hello. I'm pleased to introduce to you al1 the Chairman of the Democratic National Committee, the Honorable Ron Brown.

(Comments by Chairman Ron Brown)

The question is still the adoption of Amendment No. 4. Senator Geo-Karis.

Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate, I think that We should stop being petty and stop bickering about what that side does and what this side does, and remember, when disaster strikes, it really strikes. It struck in Plainfield, and I commend Senator O'Daniel and Senator Dunn for looking at this amendment with the right perspective, because kids are kkds and do owe them a good duty to try and help them.

We have a couple of additionals -- Senator Demuzio.

Well, thank your Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. Senator Etheredge: I -- I don't quarrel With what youlre doing here, but I don't think that there's a Member on this side of the aisle or that side of the aisle that doesn't have a similar problem with school districts in -- in their communities that have 146  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLV REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 2G, 1992 subsidence or have other kinds of problems that they'd like to ! also participate in khe School District Construction Bond Fund. NoW yesterday we put a proposal out of here that authorized an additional one hundred million dollars' worth of bond authorization for school district construction money to be used -- the funding source out of the Purposes Pund, which is the sales tax money. Would you consider bringing this bill back tomorrow, so that perhaps other Members that have similar problems and similar emergencies might be able to offer an amendment, or is it perhaps maybe we ought to take this bill with other Members' requests with respect to School District Construction Bond Fund and wrap them all into one bill and find a fundinq source for everybody? Perhaps you could comment on that, please?

Senator Etheredge.

Well, Senator, you're the one who has the funding source for the proqram and for -- for your particular program. I am trying to deal with a -- a problem in Plainfield, Illinois, and I am just askin: that we deal with this problem the same way that wefve dealt With the problem in -- in Annendale dsic> (Allendale) and in Warren Township and some of the other places around the State of Illinois.

Senator Demuzio.

If you talk to all the Members on your side and our side of the aisle, everybody has a similar emergency. I -- I'm not attemptinq to say that what you are -- What you are doing is wrong. Icommendyouforit. Thefactofthe matter is, is I j have a school district in my community that has a subsidence problem. Other Members have other kinds of problems around here. 147  STATE OF ILLIXOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT l07kh Legislative Day May 20, 1992 I I tried to address the situation from the total perspective and I : not from the narrow perspective of each individual Member's request, such as in this instance. But it just seems to measa l matter of public policy that we ought to be doing a11 of these together - that we ought not to be pitting one sehool district and I I one Member's distriet against another Member's school -- and I another Member's school district. That's my problem that I have j with this amendment. If they were all wrapped up together, if 1 there Was a construction bond fund for all, if the money Was available - and if you wank to help me Eo get the money, or if you're pledging to do that, God bless you, sir; I certainly need h your help. I needed it last yearr too. But that's my problem with this thing, is that why are we doin: it just for one I community? Why aren't we doing it to everybody? That's my I i ë problem, and I really don't know hoW Iîm going to vote on this I ! amendment, but I -- I think I'm going Eo vote No, and hope that l . perhaps we could wrap up a11 of these amendments together in all of these different school districts, and resolve this problem as a ' matter of Statewide public policy for everybody - not just one ' district. j PRESIDENT ROCK: 1 Purther discussion? Senator Carroll. i i SENATOR CARROLL I : i Thank you, Kr. Preskdent an6 Ladies and Gentlemen of the ' Senate. Let me just say What bothers me about this amendment, and I it doesn't have to do with the disaster in Plainfield or any of i the other -- or any of the other locations throughout this State. I i I guess it comes from three things. One, why did it not go through I a process, since ''process'' seems to be the buzz word from the 1 other side of khe aisle? Why did it not go through any kind of a I review or scrutkny procedure and end up in the Governor's budget? Seeondly, even if it did, of course CDB means nothing, because the i I l48  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 Governor has his freeze committee. Will they thaw on this project l if it happened to get to the desk: or is it a useless act? I ' Thirdly, and probably most importantly - and this is in Way of a j rhetorical question that maybe the Senator could answer at the end - there is no money in thàs fund, as We a1l know. There's no ptoposal to put any more money in this fund, as we al1 know. Were it to pass, were it to be signed into law, it ends up having to become a general obligation bond paid for out of General Revenue funds. Where is the money to pay for this add-on?

Question is the adoption of Amendment No. 4. Senator Etheredge, you wish to close?

Thank you, Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. I would ask for your favorable consideration of this amendment. We are trying to deal with a -- a problem that is a bona fide emergency - a school destroyed by a tornado. Wedre not cutking -- plowing neW ground here. I meang as Senator O'Daniel has pointed out, we 've done this sort of thing before. I Would ask for your favorable consideration.

Question is the adoptùon of Amendment No. 4 to Senate Bill 2004. Those in favor of the amendment will vote Aye. Opposed Wi1l vote Nay, and the voting is open. Have a1l voted who wish? Have al1 voted who Wksh? Have a1l voted Who Wish? Have all voted Who Wish? Take the record. On that question, there are 33 Ayes, 18 Nays, l voting Present. Amendment No. 4 is adopted. Senator Demuzio, for what purpose do you arise?

On a point of personal privilege. I had asked the Gentleman a minute a:o if he was willing to bring this back -- thks bill back tomorrow for further amendments: and I didn't get a response. And l49  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENBRAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATC TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20# 1992 I I would ask aqain for that courtesy and ask the Gentleman to respond.

Senator Etheredge.

Well, I would like to see what the other recommendations -- what the other needs are. If there are other high schools that have been destroyed by tornadosf if there's something comparable to this, I will certainly consider it. Let's talk about it, Senator, and see what it is that we have to deal with.

Senator Demuzio.

Well, I'm just asking the Gentleman as a matter of courtesy to agree to bring thc bill back. I mean: it's nothing that's bappened in my eighteen years in this Senate. I mean, it's just a matter of courtesy that We have extended to the Members. NoW a lot of us didn't -- decided not to offer amendments to this particular bill because of the fact that we were, as Senator Holmberg describedy attempting to exercise some fiscal integrity . The fact of the matter now is that now that *e have one project approved, it just seems to me that we ought to be able to afford the other Members the same opportunityr at least to offer their particular amendments. I'm just asking as a matter of courtesy if he would bring it back. PRESIDENT R0CK: senate Bill 2005. Senator Etheredge. Read the bill, please. ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. MKQRYJ Senate Bill 2005. lsecretary reads title of bill) 2nd Reading of the bill. The Committee on Appropriations I offers one amendment. 15G  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENEQAL ASSEMBLX REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 1 : i PRESIDENT ROCK: ! Senator Carroll, on Amendment No. 1. E I

Thank you, Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. This is a technical amendment, no dollar impact. I would move its adoption.

Senator Carroll's moved the adoption of Committee Amendment No. 1 to Senate Bi11 2005. Discussion? If not, all in favor, indicate by sayin: Aye. A1l opposed. The Ayes have it. The amendment's adopted. Further amendments?

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. NADRY) No further committee amendments.

Any amendments from the Floor?

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HADRY) No Ploor amendments.

3rd Reading. 2006. Senator Schaffer. Read the bill, please.

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. NAKRY) Senate 9ill 2006. (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Reading of the bill. The Committee on Appropriations I offers one amendment.

Senator Carroll, on Amendment No. 1.

Thank youy Mr. President and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. Committee Amendment No. 1 is the guidelines amendment. I would move its adoption.

Senator Carroll's moved the adoption of Amendment No. l to 15l  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 Senate Bill 2006. Discussion? If not, al1 in favor, indicate by saying Aye. All opposed. The Ayes have it. The amendment's adopted. Further amendmenks?

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HARRY) No further committee amendments.

Any amendments from the Floor? KCTING SECRETRRY: IMR. HARRY) No Floor amendments.

3rd Reading. 2007. Senator Schaffer. Read the bill, please.

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HARRY) Senate Bill 2007. (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Reading of the bill. The Committee on Appropriations offers three amendments. Amendment No. 1.

Senator Carroll, on Amendment No. 1.

Thank you, Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. Committee Anendment No. is the guidelines amendment. I would move its adoption.

Senator Carroll's moved the adoption of Amendment No. l to Senate Bill 2007. Discussion? If not, all in favor, indicate by saying Aye. A11 opposed. The Ayes have it. The amendment's adopted. Further amendments?

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HARRY) Committee Amendment No. 2.

Senator Carroll.

152  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENEQAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 Thank you, Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of khe Senate. CommitteeAmendmentNo.2deletesthefundingfromthe DCCA bill for the Displaced Homemakers Proqram. Appropriations for this 1 purpose Will be proposed in the Department of Labor's OCE bill, ! I and I Would move its adoption. !

Senator Carroll's moved the adoptionofAmendmentNo.2to j Senate Bill 2007. Discussion? Senator Etheredge.

Yes. Will the sponsor yield, please?

Sponsorindicateshewillyield,SenatorEtheredge. 1 SENATORETHEREDGE: 1 Senator, I Would just like to inquire Why we are moving the Displaced Homemaker Program to the Department of Labor.

Senator Carroll.

By way of cooperation, Senator Etheredge, because it Was an agreement reached between the Department -- the Director of the : Department of Commerce and Community Affairs and the Director of the Department of Labor. In discussions with Senator Severns, we - - in an attempt to cooperate with the agreement the two directors reached, moved it to the Departnent of Labor. , PRESIDENTROCK: 1 Senator Etheredge.

Senator, does not this transfer end up costing more money and I increastng the budget of the State? Are we not now going to have I i to add addktkonal money knto the budget of the Department of Labor in order to cover the administrative expenses?

l53  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Leqislative Day May 20, 1992 I Senator Carroll. i

The qrants are at the Pï'92 level. Senator Severns, I believe, had worked this out with khe tWo directors, and this was their agreement.

Senator Etheredge.

I1m told that this transfer is going to cost an additional hundred and twenty-five thousand dollars to the Stake.

Senator Carroll.

Who told you?

All right. Further discussion? If not, Senator Carroll's moved the adoption of Committee Amendment No. 2 to Senate Bill 2007. Those in favor, indicate by saying Aye. Opposed, Nay. The Ayes have it. The amendment's adopted. Senator Macdonald, on thîs subject? No. Al1 right. The amendment's adopted. Are there further amendments?

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. NAQRY) Committee Amendment No. 3.

Senator Carroll.

Thank you, Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. Since this amendment would have taken the money out of DCCA for Prairie State 2000, the will of the Body having been set on that - - to leave it in DCCA , I would therefore move to table Committee Amendment No. 3.

l54  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLV REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 ' I Senator Carroll moves to table Committee Amendment No. 3 to Senate Bill 2007. Discussion? If noty all in favor, indicate by saying Aye. Al1 opposed. The Ayes have it. Amendment No. 3 is tabled. Are there further amendments? i

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. NAKRY) No further committee amendments.

Are there amendments from the Floor?

ACTING SECRETARV: (MR. HADRY) Amendment No. 4 offered by Senator Carroll.

Senator Carroll, on Amendment No. 4.

Thank you, Mr. President and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. Ploor Amendment No. 4 Would be additional operational cuts. Apparently in our first go-khrough, even we make mistakes sometimes: and did not fully apply the guidelines. These are nonpersonnel -- nonpersonal services reductions. I Would move its adoption.

Senator Carroll's moved the adoption of Amendment No. 4 to Senate Bill 2007. Discussion? If not, all in favor, indicake by E saying Aye. Al1 opposed. The Ayes have it. The amendmentls adopted. Further amendments? 1

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. NAKRX) No further amendRents.

3rd Reading. 2008. Senator Etheredge. Read the bill, Mr. i Secretaryz please. t 1 ACTING SECRETARY: IKR. HAKRY) I Senate Bi11 2008. . (Secretary reads title of bil1) l55  STATE OP ILLINOIS 87*h GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 2nd Reading of the bill. The Comnittee on Appropriations I offers one amendment.

Senator Carroll, on Amendment No. 1. i E

Thank you, Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. I This is the guidelines amendment. I would move its adoption. PRESIDENT ROCK: i Senakor Carroll's moved the adoption of Amendment No. l to Senate Bill 2007. Discussion? If not, all in favor, indicate by 1 saying Aye. A1l opposed. The Ayes have it. The amendmentês l adopted. Further amendments? I :

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HARRY) No further committee amendments.

Any amendments from the Eloor? 2008 We're on, yeaj:. I j

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HARRY) Amendment No . 2 offered by Senator Carroll. i

I Senator Carroll, on Amendment No. 2. I

Thank you, Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. ! This is a technical correction amendment. I kould move its ! Zdoption.

Senator Carroll's moved the adoptionofAmendmentNo.2to Senate Bill 2008. Discussion? If not, al1 in favor, indicate by 1 I ; saying Aye. Al1 opposed. The Ayes have it. The amendment 's adopted. Further amendments?

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HARRY) No further amendments, Mr. President. I

l56 ' STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENENAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TNANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 3rd Reading. 2009, Mr. Secretary . Read the bill, please. ACTING SECRZTARY: (MR. NANRY) Senate Bill 2009. (Secretary reads title of bill) : 2nd Reading of the bill. The Committee on Appropriations I offers one amendment. ! Senator Carroll, on Commitkee Amendment No. 1. I SENATOR CARROLL: Th I ank you, Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. i ! This is the guidelines amendment. I would move its adoption. ! PRESIDENT ROCK: Senator Carroll's moved the adoption of Amendment No. l -- ' Committee Amendment No . 1 to Senate Bill 2009. Discussion? If @ not, al1 in favor: indicate by saying Aye. Al1 opposed. The Ayes have it. The amendment's adopted. Further amendments? ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HARRY) No further committee amendments. ! PRESIDENT ROCK: Any amendments from the Ploor? ! ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. NADRX) i No Floor amendments. ' PRESIDENT ROCK: 3rd Reading. Senate Bill 2010. Mr. Secretary, read the bill, I please. ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. NADRY) I i Senate Bill 2010. (Seeretary reads title of bill) ! 2nd Reading of the bill. The Conmittee on Appropriations I offers one amendment. ! PRESIDENT ROCK: ' Senator Carroll, on Amendment No. 1. ! 157  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 j ! I

Thank you, Mr. Presldent, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. Committee Amendment No. l is the Senate guidelines amendment. I would move its adoption.

Senator Carrollls moved the adoption of Committee Amendment No. l to Senate Bill 2010. Discussion? If not, all in favor, indicate by saying Aye. A11 opposed. The Ayes have it. The amendment's adopted. Further amendments?

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HAQRY) No further committee amendments.

Any amendments from the Ploor?

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HARRY) No Floor amendments.

3rd Reading. 2011, Mr. Secretary. Read the bill, please.

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HADRY) Senate Bill 2011. (Seeretary reads title of bill) 2nd Reading of the bill. The Committee on Appropriations I offers one amendment.

Senator Carroll, on Committee Amendment No. 1.

Thank you, Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. After talking to the Department, we diseussed the idea of applying the guidelines to them, even though theylre a federally funded agency: Eo see if those funds could then be garnered into an account to maybe acquire one of the buildings they now rent, et cetera. It was recognized that because of the unique nature of their Department, that was not capable of happening. The money l58 ! STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 would have gone back to the Pederal Government. So we had no guidelines amendment. Committee Amendment No. l is technical in nature only, and I'd move its adoption. PRESIDENT ROCK: Senator Carroll's moved the adoption of Amendment No. l to Senate Bill 2011. Discussion? If not, all in favor, indicate by sayin: Aye. A11 opposed. The Ayes have it. The amendment's adopted. Further amendments? ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. NAKRX) No further committee amendments. PRESIDENT ROCK: Any amendments from the Floor? ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HANRY) No Floor amendments. PRESIDENT ROCK: 3rd Reading. 2012. Mr. Secretary, read the bill, please. END OP TAPE TAPE 4 ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HAKRX) Senate Bil1 2012. (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Reading of the bill. The Committee on Appropriations I offers one amendment. PRESIDENT ROCK: Senator Carroll, on Amendment No. 1. SENATOR CARROLL: Thank you, Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. l59  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 Committee Amendment No. l is the guidelines amendment, and I would move its adoption.

Senator Carroll has moved the adoption of Committee Amendment No. 1 to Senate Bill 2012. Discussion? If not, al1 in favor, indicate by saying Aye. All opposed. The Ayes have it. The amendmentîs adopted. Further amendments?

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HAPRX) No further committee amendments.

Any amendments from the Ploor?

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HAPRV) Amendment No. 2 offered by Senator Welch.

Senator Welch, on Amendment No. 2. '

Amendment No. 2 is just a technical amendment, Mr. President.

Senator Welch has moved the adoption of Amendment No. 2 to Senate Bill 2012. Discussion? If not, all in favor, indicate by saying Aye. All opposed. The Ayes have it. The amendment's adopted. Further amendments?

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. NADRR) No further amendments.

3rd Readinq. 2013. Mr. Secretary, read the bill, please.

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HARRY) Senate Bill 2013. (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Reading of the bill. The Committee on Appropriations I offers one amendment.

160  STATE OF ILLINOIS 1 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 Senator Carroll, on Committee Amendment No. 1.

Thank you, Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. Committee Amendment No. l redistributes the grants and makes no dollar change. Part of the problem was that in the budgetz as introduced, it's my understandinq that the Pollution Control Board was denied any eechnical people to help them with their decisionsr so we redistributed a grant so that they could come in and get these. I understand there are some problems With this that we Would like to continue working on overnight. I would suggest We adopt the amendment and work on it. I understand the surveys may have been too hard hit, and that is not something we really wanted to do, but Welve got to make sure that the Pollution Control Board also has the type of technical help that it needs to do' its jobr since it's requlred by law to do it. PRESIDENT ROCKZ Gentleman has moved the adoption of Committee Amendment No. 1. Discussion? Senator Weaver.

Thank you, Mr. President. Do I understand, Senator Carroll, youdll bring this back tomorrow to correct it?

Senator Carroll.

Since it's Senator Etheredge 's bill, I assume that even though he would not answer Senator Demuzio on a prior bill, I'm sure he would nod to you, yes, and we will kry and work with your staff and them overnight to see what we can do.

Senator Carroll has moved the adoption of Committee Amendment No. l to Senate Bill 2013. Discussion? If not, a11 in favor, indicate by saying Aye. Al1 opposed. The Ayes have it. The l61  SQATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY I REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 amendment's adopted. Further amendments? ACTING SECRETXRY: (MR. HARRY) ! No further committee amendments. PRESIDENT ROCk: Any amendients from the Floor?

ACTING SECRETXRY: (MR. HARRY) No Floor amendments.

3rd Reading. 2014, Mr. Secretary. Senator Donahue. Read the i bill, please. ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. WAQRY) ' Senate Bill 2014. (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Reading of the bill. No committee amendments. I

Any amendments from the Floor?

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. NAQRY) No Floor amendments.

3rd Reading. 2bl5. Senator Weaver. Read the bill, please.

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. NAARY) Senake Bill 2015. I (Secretary reads kitle of bill) 2nd Reading of the bill. No committee amendments.

Any amendments from the Floor?

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. NAPRY) No Floor amendments.

3rd Reading. 2017. Senator Topinka. Read the bill, Mr. Secrekary, please.

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HARRY) l62  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 Senate Bill 2017. (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Reading of the bill. The Committee on Appropriations I offers one amendment.

Senator Carroll, on Committee Amendment No. 1.

Thank you, Mr. Presidentr Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. Committee Amendment No. l is the guidelines anendaent. I would move iks adoption.

Senakor Carroll has moved the adoption of Committee Amendment No. to Senate Bill 2017. Discussion? If not, all in favor, indicate by saying Aye. All opposed. The Ayes have it. The amendment's adopted. Further amendments?

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. NAQRY) No further committee amendments.

Any amendments from the Floor?

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HAQRY) No Floor amendments.

3rd Reading. 2018. Senator Topinka. Read the bill, Mr . Secretary, please.

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HAQRY) Senate Bill 2018. (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Reading of the bill. The Committee on Appropriations offers one amendment.

Senator Carroll, on Committee Amendment No. 1.

163  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 Thank you, Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. Committee Amendment No. l is the guidelines amendment. I would move its adoption.

Senator Carroll has moved the adoption of Committee Amendment No. l to Senate Bill 2018. Discussion? If not, a1l in favorz indicate by saying Aye. A$1 opposed. The Ayes have it. The amendment's adopted . Are there further amendments?

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HAKRY) No further committee amendments.

Are there amendments from the Ploor?

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HAPRY) Amendment No. 2 offered by Senator Carroll.

Senator Carroll.

Thank you, Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. After discussion with the Commission, We realized we goofed, and this is a restoration of a miscalculation in Committee Amendment No. 1, Where they would have been -- hit harder than the guidelines. It adds back some sixty-two thousand six hundred: and I would move its adoption.

Senator Carroll has moved the adoption of Amendment No. to Senate Bill 2018. Discussion? If not, al1 in favor, indicate by saying Aye. All opposed. The Ayes have it. The amendment 's adopted. Further amendments?

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HARRY) No further amendments.

3rd Reading. 2019. Senator Etheredge. Read the bill, Mr. 164  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 Secretary, please.

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. NAKRY) ! Senate Bill 2019. lsecretary readstitleofbill) t i 2nd Readin: of the bill. The Committee on Appropriations I offers one amendment. PRESIDENT ROCK: ! ! Senator Carrolly on Committee Amendment No. 1.

Thank you, Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. Committee Amendment No. 1 is the Senate guidelines, and in addition thereto, reallocates within the agency to reinstitute the l in-house court reporters, and T would move its adoption.

Senator Carroll has moved the adoption of Committee Amendment No. l to Senate Bill 2019. Discussion? If not, all in favor, indicate by saying Aye. A1l opposed -- well, okay. Senator Keats. Discussion on Amendment No. 1.

Queseion of the sponsor. PRESIDENT ROCK : I Indicates he will yield.

We were moving quickly. Did you say We are now adding back in j a significant number of employees Who are the court reporters? Is that what you just said? PRESIDENT ROCE: I Senator Carroll.

Yes. I don't know that I Would characterize it the way you are. Currently the Industrial Commission has a significant number of employees who happen to be court reporters. It's my l65  STATE OF ILLTNOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 understanding the Governor or the chairman, whomever, recommended that they go to outside contractors. We have received, as a ï ! committee and as Members, significant information by way of mail l ! i and testimony, that it would truly destroy the operations of the Commission because of the problems others have had in using contracted-for - as opposed to in-house - people to do this kind ' of workz because what happens isf if for example, theydre holding a hearing somewhere downstate in a particular community, the court reporter on contract has to be paid travel time to qet there, et cetera. If theydre not there, the hearing can't qo ahead, 'even i though a11 the litigants are there: the people Who are injured Were there, the commissioner is there, and so on. So it Was just the -- the decision that they should keep these employees on board, instead of going to an outside contract that didn't seem to be able to in any way improve the quality of the Commission.

Senator Keats.

Are you aware of the average salary of a court reporter at the Industrial Commission: Mr. Chairman?

Senator Carroll.

And -- oh, in addition, let me just say that the -- Cbakrman Malooly said he was going to get back to me with a plan to solve i khis problem. I know we hadn 't cut off his phones yet, but he never :ot back with a plan to solve the problem. It's my understanding, the salary is thirty-one five.

Senator Keats.

Thirty-one five is the minimum, plus then the various other 166  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 payments. I would say, just in a general referencer havfng Worked t with court reporters, both in-house and contracted, in various aspects of my life, I have never yet seen a contract court reporter that wasn't a cheaper deal. I Would just ask for a roll call. This could be a philosophic argument, whether civil service employees would be more efficient than contracts, but I have never yet seen a contract court reporter fail to show up, 'cause if they don't show up, they don't get paid. And believe me, they are downriqht motivated to show up. We've always had better results I ! with the contract ones, and I just think from a State point of view, if you were looking to save money, here is an obvious place. You want to qet some competition in the free market, this is hoW you get it. So I would request a roll call.

That request is in order. Further discussion on Amendment No . 1? Senator Dunn.

Thank you, Mr. President. Just to the motion: I don't think this will result in a savings to -- to the publie: because the price per page that can be charged by contracted court reporters, I think, has a cap of approximately five dollars a page, whereasz the present system has a limit of a dollar eighty-five per page, which would result in a substantial increase to working men and l ( women whose cases might have to be appealed.

Further discussion? Senator Keats, for a second time.

I Very briefly, what Senator Dunn said was totally correct, but that's why you need the competition to negotiate those. Frankly, ! in many cases, exactty what you said is true. and that is one of the problems. That's why you need a free market to negotiate it i so you just don't have a captive audience, because, believe me' it I 167  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY ! REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 gets expensive if you do not negotiate in a free market and alloW for competktion to hold doWn those prices. l

The question is the adoption of Amendment No. 1. Senator Carroll, to close. SENATOR CARROLL i : : Merely to say, Senator Keats, I know youdre an advocate of privatization. That Would cause us to have to go from a dollar-eighty a page to five dollars. The going rate todaye With ' competition, is five dollars. These people are at a dollar-eiqhty. It's my understanding that the average charge in the course of a twelve-month period for any one of the reporters is about twelve hundred dollarsr of which they get to keep twenty percent of that. So they get a bonus, so to speak, of two hundred and forty dollars over their thirty-one five. If you Want to harm the business and labor communities so that the comp cases are not getting handled tn an expeditious manner, be my quest. But from a1l we heard from al1 sides of this issue, this was the way to go - to keep them in there. Director Malooly said he would give us a - - an alternative solution, but then somebody obviously told him he couldn't talk to us anymore. So he never reported back. I would suggest adoption of the amendment.

Question ls khe adoption of Amendment No. l to Senate Bill 2019. Those in favor of the amendment will vote Aye. Opposed will vote Nay. And the voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted Who wish? Have al1 voted who wish? Take the record. On that questionz there are 31 Ayes: 23 Nays: none voting Present. Amendment No. 1 is adopted . Further amendments?

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HARRY) No further amendments. l68  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENEQAT. ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRKNSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 I PRESIDENT ROCK: j 3rd Readinq. 2020. Senator Etheredge. Read the bill, Mr. ! Secretary, please.

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. NAPRY) l Senate Bll1 2020. C (secretary reads title of bi11) 2nd Reading of the bill. The Committee on Appropriations I offers tWo amendments. Amendment No. 1. PRESIDENT ROCK: I : Senator Carroll, on Amendment No. 1.

Thank you, Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. Amendment No. 1 was intended to be the guidelines amendment, and I would move its adoption.

Senator Carroll has moved the adoption of Amendment No. 1 to Senate Bill 2020. Discussion? If not, al1 in favor, indicate by saying Aye. All opposed. The Ayes have it. The amendment's adopted . Further amendments?

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. NADRY) Committee Amendment No. 2.

Senator Carroll, on Commitkee Anendment No. 2.

Thank youy Mr. Presidenty Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. This is *he home for the Displaced Homemaker Program . I would move its adoption.

Senator Carroll has moved the adoption of Committee' Amendment No. 2 to Senate Bill 2020. Discussion? If not, al1 in favor, indicate by saying Aye. A1l opposed. The Ayes have it. Amendment's adopted. Are there further amendments? 169  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLX REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20# 1992

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HARRY) No further committee amendments.

Amendments from the Floor? ACTING SECRETARYI (MR. HARRY) Amendment No. 3 offered by Senator Carroll.

Senator Carroll, on Amendment No. 3.

Thank you, Mr. President and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. This is the technical amendment to recalculate correctly the guidelines. We were in error when we adopted Committee Amendment No. 1, and I would nove its adoption.

Senator Carroll has moved the adoption of Amendment No. 3 to Senate Bill 2020. Discussion? rf not, all in favor, indicate by saying Aye. All opposed. The Ayes have ik. The amendment is adopted. Are there further amendments?

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HARRY) No further amendments.

3rd Reading. 2021. Senator Etheredge. Mr. Secretary: read the bill, please.

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HAQRY) Senate Bill 2021. (Secretary reads Eitle of bill) 2nd Reading of the bill. The Committee on Appropriations I offers one amendment.

Senator Carroll, on Amendment No. 1.

Thank you, Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. l70  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENEKAL ASSEMBLY REGULAB SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20g 1992 This is the Senate guidelines amendment, and I Would move kts adoption.

Senator Carroll has moved the adoption of Committee Amendment No. l to Senate Bill 2021. Those in favor: indicate by sayin: Aye. Opposed, Nay . The Ayes have it. The amendment's adopted. Purther amendments?

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HAQRY) No further committee amendments.

Any amendments from the Floor?

ACTTNG SECRETARY: (MR. HARRY) No Ploor amendments.

3rd Reading. Senate Bill 2022. Senator Maitland. Read the bill, Mr. Secretary, please.

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HARRY) Senate Bill 2022. (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Readkng of the bill. No committee amendments.

Any amendments from the Ploor?

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HAKRY) No Floor amendments.

3rd Reading. 2023. Senator Ctheredge. Mr. Secretarye read the bill, please.

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HANRY) Senate Bill 2023. (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Reading of the bill. Committee on Appropriations I offers one amendment. l7l  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY ' REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT l07Eh Legislative Day May 20, 1992

; Senator Carroll, on Committee Amendment No. 1.

Thank you, Mr. Presidenty Ladies and Gentlemen of khe Senate. This is the guidelines amendment, and I would move its adoption.

Senator Carroll has moved the adoption of Amendment No. l to jenate Bill 2023. Discussion? If not, all in favor, indicate by saying Aye. Al1 opposed. The Ayes have it. The amendment's adopted. Further amendments?

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HARRY) No further committee amendments.

Any amendments from the Floor?

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HAQRY) Amendment No. 2 offered by Senator Carroll.

Senator Carroll, on Amendment No. 2.

Thank you, Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. Amendment No. 2 is, in fact, again a correction of a calculation error on our part, so that it would be an actual Senate guidelines amendment, and I would move its adoption.

Senakor Carroll has moved the adoption of Amendment No . 2 eo Senate Bill 2023. Discussion? If not, a1l in favor, indicate by saying Aye. All opposed. The Ayes have i*. The amendment's adopted. Further amendments?

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HARRY) Amendment No. 3 offered by Senator Woodyard.

Senator Woodyard, on Amendment No . 3. l72  STATE 0F ILLINOIS 87th GENEQAT,ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992

Thank you, Mr. President and Members of the Senate. Amendment No. 3 has two component parts. It's a reappropriation of sixty-eight thousand tWo hundred dollars for a parking 1ot at the E Salem Armory. The second gomponent would appropriate a hundred and twenty-five thousand dollars that would be matched by ninety-seven thousand dollars from the federal fundkng for the planning of a new armory at Danville. Originally the Governor had agreed to put this in the budget - in CDB'S - at the -- when it was too late to make the change, there was an agreement, I guess, to put this money in the Armory Construction Fund that's in General Lynn's shop. And so that's the reason for this amendment. The land has already been transferred for that armory from the City of Danville to -- and the Airport Authority where it would be built. And thus, that's the reason for the amendment.

A11 right. Senator Woodyard has moved the adoption of Amendment No. 3 to Senate Bill 2023. Discussion? Senator Carroll.

Thank youz Mr. Presidentg Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. I guess what bothers me again about this is the fact that half of the funds are General Revenue funds. We had not heard from the Office of the Governor that they Were supportive of it, or that they had found the resources to pay for it. We asked that same question, I guess, in committee, and because We didn't hear it then and haven't heard it still, I just don't think we should be spending until we know where the resources are coming from . I know it comes out of the Armory Construction Fund, but half of that money is General Revenue that goes into that Pund.

Further discussion? Senator Woodyard, you wish to close? l73  STATE OP ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 SENATOR WOODYARD: I guess I Want to respond somewhat to Senator Carroll 's comments, from the standpoint that, yes, this Was agreed upon by I the Governor's Office, and it Was General Revenue funds that was l 1 going to be in - - in CDB. And at the very last minute, evidently ; ! there was another agreement that - offered by and proposed by ! General Lynn - to put this in the Armory Construction Fund, rather than CDB . And so as far as I know, everybody -- the Governor,s 1 ; ! Office has agreed to this. PRESIDENT ROCK: Further discussion? Senator Palmer. i SENATOR PALMER : ' Thank you: Mr. President. I *oo am very concerned about this. It's one thin: to support in a situation such as the schools to spend money - extraordinary money - but at a time When there is a : major cutback in the militaryf I'm wondering why We are spending money to build a neW armory, and to improve the facilities of I another. I PRESIDENT ROCK: Further discussion? Senator Woodyard, you may close. SENATOR WOODYARD: Thank you, Mr. President and Members of the Senate. Well, in response to Senator Palmer, I guess in closing, the present armory in Danville is absolutely falling apart, and it's very decrepit. l k The other thing: I think, from the standpoint that this is a federal match to the planning money, the Pederal Government is putting ninety-seven thousand dollars to match with this one 1 twenty-five. So maybe that's somewhat of an answer to your concerns about where wefre going with the military spending. And ! I certainly, in regard to the school situation, the Federal i Government is putting in money in this plan. PRESIDENT ROCK: l74  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 2G# 1992 Question is the adoption of Amendment No. 3 to Senate Bill 1 I 2023. Those in favor of the amendment will vote Aye. Opposed will vote Nay, and the voting fs open. Have all voted who Wish? Have a1l voted Who Wioh? Have al1 voted Who wish? All voted Who wish? Take the record. On that question, there are 27 Ayesz 25 i Nays, none voting Present. Amendment No. 3 is adopted. Further amendments? !

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HANRY) No further amendments.

3rd Reading. 2024. Senator Etheredge. Read the bill, Mr. I Secretary , please. ! ! !

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. NAPRY) Senate Bill 2024. (Secretary reads title of bill) I ! 2nd Reading of the bill. The Committee on Appropriations T offers four amendments. Amendment No. 1.

Senator Carrolly on Amendment No. 1. I

Thank you, Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. l This is the guidelines amendment. I would move its adoption. E

Senator Carroll has moved the adoption of Committee Amendment I No. 1 to Senate Bill 2024. Discussion? If not, al1 in favor, t indicate by saying Aye. All opposed. The Ayes have it. The amendment's adopted. Purther amendments? i .

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HAQRY) Committee Amendment No. 2.

i Amendment No. 2, Senator Carroll. i I SENATORCARROLL: 1 l75  STATE OF ILLINOIS I 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLX REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRTPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 Thank you, ! Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. j This is to reduce the reappropriations line to now What is the eorrect number. I would move its adoption.

Senator Carroll has moved the adoption of Committee Amendment No. 2 to Senate Bill 2024. Discussion? If not, a1l in favor, indicate by saying Aye. All opposed. The Ayes have it. The amendment's adopted. Are there further amendments?

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. NAPRY) Committee Amendment No. 3.

Senator Carroll, on Committee Amendment No. 3.

Thank you, Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. After much discussion, the committee adopted Amendment No . 3, which reduces the low-level waste siting new appropriation to eliminate the unidentified technical assistance and the remainder of the Batelle contract. I would move its adoption.

Senator Carroll has moved the adoption of Amendmene No. 3 to Senate Bill 2024. Discussion? If not, a11 in favor, indicate by saying Aye. All opposed. The Ayes have it. The amendment's adopted. Further amendments? ACTING SECRETARY: IMR. HARRY) Committee Amendment No. 4.

Senator Carroll: on Committee Amendment No. 4.

Thank you, Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. Again, as the result of a discussion in committee, decision was to eliminate the land acquisition for the low-level waste site until that acquisition moves forward by some kind of vote of l76  STATE OF ILLINOIS i 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20e 1992 ! Martinsville. I Would move its adoption. PRESIDENT ROCK: I Senator Carroll has moved the adoption of Committee Amendment No. 4 to Senate Bill 2024. Discussion? If not, all in favor, indicate by saying Aye. All opposed. The Ayes have it. The amendment's adopted. Purther amendments?

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HAKRY) No further committee amendments.

Amendments from the Floor?

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HAQRY) Amendment No. 5 offered by Senator Carroll.

Senator Carroll, on Amendment No. 5.

Thank you...tmachine cutoffle..Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. It's a technical only amendment. I would move its adoption.

Senator Carroll has moved the adoption of Amendment No. 5 to Senate Bill 2024. Discussion? If not, al1 in favor, indicate by saying Aye. A11 opposed. The Ayes have it. The amendmentfs adopted. Purther amendments?

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. NAKRY) No furkher amendments.

3rd Reading. 2025. Senator Etheredge. Read the bill, Mr. Secrekary, please.

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. NAPRY) Senate Bill 2025. (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Reading of the bill. The Committee on Appropriations I offers 177  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 one amendment.

Senator carroll.

1 Thank you, Mr. President, Ladies and Genklemen of the Senate. This is the guidelines amendment, and I Would move its adoption. PRESIDENT ROCK: 1 I Senator Carroll has moved the adoption of Committee Amendment No. 1 to Senate Bill 2025. Discusston? If not, a11 in favor: indicate by saying Aye. A11 opposed. The Ayes have it. The amendment's adopted. Further amendments?

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HANRY) No further committee amendments. PRESIDENT ROCK: I Amendments from the Floor?

ACTING SECRETARX: (MR. HARRY) No Ploor amendments.

3rd Reading. Ladies and Gentlemen, I realize that it's approaching four forty-five. My -- Senator Philip and I discussed I at least the finishing of Senate Bills on 2nd Reading ,sothatwe 1 can be in a position tomorrow - we wkl1 start tomorrow at nine t ! o'clock - but we will be in a position to, hopefully, do a great I ' deal of work so that Friday will be minimal, if at all. But at -- we've got to move them today, if wefre going to move them. 2026. Senator Etheredge. Read kh9 bill, Mr. Secretary. please. ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. NAKRY) ' Senate Bill 2026. ( (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Reading of the bïll. The Committee on Appropriations I offers one amendment. i  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 Senator Carroll, on Amendment No. 1.

Thank you, Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. This is the guidelines amendment for the Department of Revenue. In addition thereto, places the amoùnt necessary for pharmaceutical assistance at the.o.tmachine cutoffl...at the same level as Fiscal .92, and in fact, reallows the tax incremental financing monies to be spent in khe municipalities. It raised the monies by creating the jobs in those communities. Several of those communities came forward and talked about the fact that when khey brought in industry into blighted or near-blighted areas, they did it on the basis of having to spend some money, sell some bonds, and the 1aw allowed a portion of the increase in sales tax revenue to be used to pay off those bonds. This is not the amount that those communities have actually given to the State that are the quote, unquote, ''increments.'î No, it is significantly less than that, and rather the amount that was in the Fiscal '92 budget. I would move its adoptionr and answer any questions.

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) A1l right. Senator Cazroll has moved the adoption of Committee Amendment No. Discussion? Genator Etheredge.

Thank you, Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. I just want to poknt out that here We have an amendment that not only applies the reduction guidelines, but, as Senator Carroll has pointed oute also adds back siqnifican: amounEs of money -- money beyond the -- that allocated Within the Governor's budget, So that the net increase in spending that is -- would result from the addition of this amendment, is approximately seventeen million dollars. So I want the Members to be aware of that when they vote on

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) l79  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 I Further discussion? If not, Senator Carroll may close. 1 !

Thank you: Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. Of course a lot of the rest of what we have reduced in government -- oh, never mind, I won't categorize it. Let me just say, a lot of the savings we have affected by other amendments pays for this. j : I believe that there is significant interest in making sure We have a viable - viable - Pharmaceutical Assistance Program for our low-income seniors. Yes, that is more money than the Governor was suggesting for Fiscal ,93, but no# it is not any more than they ! 1 ! Were suggesting for Fiscal 192 and spending this year. Yes, We i are saying that when the State gave its Word and municipalities Went out and sold bonds in order to encourage businessz create I i jobs and produce sales tax revenue, that a portion of that revenue ! l would, by law, be available back to the local governments to pay for the infrastructure improvements - something we have been doing for years. As I recall it, four communities around this State - j none in my area, but four around this State - came in and said: ''Absent this payment, there will be a default on these bonds: and either the businesses will close at a loss of hundreds, maybe thousands of jobs, or local government will have to pick up the tab .'' Meaning the taxpayers -- the property taxpayers will be i assessed because the State did not meet its obligation. I feel: I personally - and I think many Members on both sides of the aisle feel - that our obligation in even the tightest of financial times is (a) to make sure that jobs are there and avallable for people if we ean, 'cause the recession has truly hurt them ; and secondly, to make sure that (b) the safety net is there: of seeing things like pharmaceutical assistance for the lowese of income - senior citizens of this State. And I urge the adoption.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Carroll has moved the adoption of Committee Amendment l80  I STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 No. 1. All in favor Will vote Aye. Those opposedw Nay . The voting is open. Have a1l voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have al1 voted who wish? Take the record. On that question, the Ayes are 48 -- 49, the Nays are 5, none voting Present. Committee Amendment No. l is adopted. Senator Etheredge, you did want a roll call on that, didn't you? Further committee amendments?

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. NRQRY) No further committee amendments.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Any amendments from the Floor?

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HANRY) Amendment No. 2 offered by Senator Carroll.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Carroll.

Thank youz Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. This is a recalculation of the guidelines. And Senator Etheredge, this will produce another million dollars of savings. I move its adoption.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Carroll moves the adoption of Amendment No. 2. Is there discussion? If not, those in favor Will indicate by saying Aye. Opposed, Nay. The Ayes have it. Amendment No. 2 is adopted. Further amendments?

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HARRY) Amendment No. 3 offered by Senator Carroll.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Carroll.

Thank you, Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. What we're attempting to do here - and they are doing by Amendment l8l  STATE OP ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 No. 3 - is taking those savings that are in the Gaming Board and depositing them in the Educational Assistance Fund, so that the savings actually go back to the schools like profits are supposed to, and I would move its adoption. ;

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Carroll has moved the adoption of Amendment No. 3. Is there discussion? If not, those in favor will indicate by saying Aye. Opposed, Nay. The Ayes have it. Amendment No . 3 is adopted. Further amendments?

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HADRY) Amendment No. 4 offered by Senator Rock. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) ; Senator Rock. Senator Rock seeks leave to withdraw. Withdraw. Further amendments?

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HADRY) Amendment No. -- Amendment No. 4 offered by Senator Carroll.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Carroll seeks leave to withdraw. Withdraw . Further amendments?

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HARRY) Amendment No. 4 offered by Senator Carroll.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Seeks to withdraw. Withdraw. Further amendments?

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HADRX) Amendment No. 4 offered by Senator Carroll.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Withdraw. Leave -- leave to withdraw. Leave is granted. Further amendments?

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HADRY) Amendment No. 4 offered by Senator Carroll.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Carroll, how many amendments do we have? Senator l82  1 STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20: 1992 Carroll seeks to withdraw whatever it is. Withdraw. Leave is i granted. Are there any other amendments? ! t ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HAQRY) . i Amendment No. 4 offered by Senator Eeats.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Keats.

Senator Carroll had so many outstanding ideas on doing away with unnecessary personnel, that we on the Republican side felt that we should accommodate that and be of some assistance. What Amendmenk 4, I guess - it was Amendment 36 or something - but what Amendment 4 does is it takes a look at the unnecessary riffraff Who presently work for the Chicago City Council. And if We're going to do away with excess PIO officers - probably a good idea - car phones, cars and everything else, we said, ''That's probably not a bad idea. Why don't We consider other areas where there are large amounts of waste?'' And one that just immediately came to mind was the committee system of the Chicago City Council. Now, we cannot directly appropriate their funds, but we took a look at roughly what they were spending, and after we got up off the floor, realized if We changed about twenty million dollars that's presently going to the City and put it into social services and shifted this money - which will take a slight change in authorization at the moment. so this one amendment doesn't do it alone - we would then take this twenty million dollars and put it into eikher the DASA grants or, frankly, into the various areas of public assistance, so that the money could be used by people who are really in need, rather than all these committees that, I think some of you know, I think the staff of the -- of the revenue committee of the Chicago City Council is bigger than the staff of the entire Illinois Legislature. What this amendment does is gives us the opportunity to shift money out of employees who are 183  STATE OF ILLINOIS . 87th GENERALASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION 1 ' SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 doing nothing and put it into human services, where it can be of some assistance. So this twenty million thatîs presently beinq withheld in another spot, we then take the twenty million and hand it to social services. l

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) A11 right. Senator Keatsz you didn't seek withdrawal? Oh, I'm sorry. Senator -- roll -- Oh, you did. Senator Rock. l

Thank you. It's approaching five o'cloek. I'm trykng to 9et us out of here by 6:00. I -- I move to table Amendment No. 4.

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Al1 right. Senator Rock has moved to table Amendment No. 4. As you know: that's nondiscussion. Those in favor of tabling will vote Aye. Those opposed: Nay. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have a11 voted who Wish? Have a1l voted Who wish? Have all voted who wish? Take the record. On that question, the Ayes are 26, the Nays are 28. Moeion to Table fails. Further discussion? I understand it hasn't been adopted; the motion fails to table. Senator Keats.

... tnachine cutoffl...the reversed roll call; I would accept to put the amendment on.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Keats has moved the adoption of Amendment No. 4. Those in -- Senator -- Senator Carroll. SENATOR CARROLLJ Just to point out, Mr. President, to Senator Keats, as he kind of alluded toz the money would just sit there. The substantive law says that the sales tax revenues go to the municipalities. I would suggest, however, that we come back - should this pass - and take it from a11 of the municipalities, and give it a1l to the State. A11 the municipalities, and give it a11 to the State. And 184  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLX REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20e 1992 wedll have that amendment ready.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) A11 right. Further discussion? Senator Brookins.

Thank you. Senator Keats, Would you kindly explain how large this committee is, and who serves on this committee?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Keats.

We did not break it out committee by committee. We took an equivalent of a set -- a certain percentage of the total cost of the various committee staffs and a11 the additional hanqers-ons and whatever, for all the City Council committees. So we intentionally left some, because they should have some staff. What this does is simply free up the money, but it would take another vote to reappropriate. lcause what Senator Carroll said is true: you can't just in one appropriations amendment do it. It's a two-step process. This is the first step, and a11 webre doing is saying to the -- the City Council committees, ''What's good at State Government level: should be good at the City Council level.' And as Senator Carroll said, if he'd like to shift al1 the money out, that was the Governor's program. I don't think you want to do that.

Question is the adoption of Amendment No. 4. Those in favor, vote Aye. Opposed, vote Nay. The Ayes have it. Amendmenkls adopted. Let's move on. Further amendments?

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HAKRY) No further amendments.

3rd Reading. 2027. Senator Etheredge. Read the bill, Mr. Secretary. 185  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENENAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 . ; ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HADRY) i j Senate Bill 2027. (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Reading of the bill. No committee amendments. I PRESIDENT ROCK: I Any amendments from the Floor?

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HAQRY) No Floor amendments.

3rd Reading. 2028. Senator Donahue. Read the bill, Mr. Secretary.

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. WARRV) Senate Bill 2028. (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Reading of the bill. The Committee on Appropriations I offers one amendment.

Senator Carroll, on Amendment 1.

Thank you, Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. This is the guidelines amendment. I would move its adoption.

Senator Carroll has moved the adoption of Amendment No. l to Senate Bill 2028. Discussion? If not, all in favor, indicate by saying Aye. A1l opposed. The Ayes have it. The amendment's adopted. Further amendments? '

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HAKRY) No further committee amendments.

Amendments from the Ploor?

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HARRY) No Floor amendments. 186  STATE OP ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legkslative Day May 20, 1992

I 3rd Reading. 2029. Senator Etheredge. Read the bill, Mr. ! Secretary.

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. NAQRX) Senate Bill 2029. I 1 (Secreçary reads title of bill) i 2nd Reading of the bill. The Committee on Appropriations I offers I ! ! one amendment.

Senator Carroll. I SENATOR CARROLL: 1 Thank youz Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. This is the guidelines amendment, and eliminates the lease-purchase of a building till We know that it's actually going j e ! o save some money. I'd move its adoption.

Senator Carroll has moved the adoption of Committee Amendment No. 1 to Senate Bill 2029. Discussion? If not, all in favor, indicate by saying Aye. A1l opposed. The Ayes have it. The amendment's adopted. Purther amendments?

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HAQRX) i No further committee amendments.

Amendments from the Floor? ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HARRV) I No Floor amendments.

3rd Reading. 2030. Senator Schaffer. Read the bill, Mr . ! Secretary.

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HAPRX) . j Senate Bill 2030. (Secretary reads title of bill) 1 187  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLX REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 2nd Reading of the bill. The Committee on Appropriations I offers one amendment.

Senator Carroll, on Committee Amendment 1. SENATOR CARROLL) Thank you, Mr. thank you, Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. Committee Amendment No. is the quidelines amendment. I would move its adoption.

Senator Carroll has moved the adoption of Committee Amendment No. l to Senate Bill 2030. Discussion? If not, all in favor, indicate by saying Aye. All opposed. The Ayes have it. The amendmentîs adopted. Further amendments?

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HANRY) No further committee amendments. PRESIDENT ROCK) Amendments from the Floor?

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HAKRY) Amendment No. 2 offered by Senator Carroll.

Senator Carroll: on Amendment No. 2.

Thank you', Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. Amendment No. 2 is to correct the error we made in the guidelines amendment, and I would move its adoption.

Senator Carroll has moved the adoption of Amendment No. 2 to Senate Bill 2030. Discussion? If not, all in favor, indicate by saying Aye. A11 opposed. The Ayes have it. The amendment's adopted. Further amendments?

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HAPRY) No further amendments. 188  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992

3rd Reading. 2031. Senator Weaver. Read the bill, Mr. Secretary, please. !

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. NAKRY) Senate Bill 2031. (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Reading of the bill. Committee on Appropriations I offers one amendment.

Senator Carroll, on Committee Amendment No. 1. SENATOR CARROLL: 1 Thank youz Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. This is the guidelines amendment. I would move its adoption. PRESIDENT ROCK: i Senator Carroll has moved the adoption of Committee Amendment No. 1 to Senate Bill 2031. Discussion? If not, a1l in favor, indicate by saying Aye. All opposed. The Ayes have it. The amendment's adopted. Further amendments?

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HAPRY) No further committee amendments. PRESIDENT ROCX: j I Amendments from the Floor?

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. NAQRY) Amendment No. 2 offered by Senator Ralph Dunn.

Senator Ralph Dunn.

Thank youz Mr. President and Members of the Senate. Senate Amendment to 2034 is the one I proposed Would help downsize the -- I the price in the State -- State Police. You know: Director Gainer has given us a plan to close a lot of the different offices around the Statey going to kind of reduce the size of *he State Police. l89  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 We looked at the head count of the people that run the State Police in Springfield. We find they have seventeen deputy directors and assistant deputy directors. This is quite a large number, and by cutting down on themy We can save eight hundred and ninety-one thousand dollars. So amendment would eliminate three deputy directors and nine assistant deputy directors. Still leave ehree deputy directors, plus a first deputy and his assistant. The salaries for these people range from sixty-six thousand one hundred to sixty-seven thousand eight hundred. The total savings would be eight hundred and ninety-one thousand . I move the adoption of the amendment. ' PRESIDENT ROCK: , Senator Dunn has moved the adoption of Amendment No. 2 to Senate Bill 2031. Discussion? Senator Demuzio. SENATOR DEMUZIO: Thank you, Mr. President and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. I rise in very strong support. I -- I couldn't agree with Senator Dunn more. Now that Wedve got al1 of these high-prieed State Police personnel out on the -- out on the highway now, there aren't enough individuals nö* to supervise, and so by eliminating all this top brass and all this top echelon should really give us an opportunity to really put in that revitalization proqram, really make it work, and put these guys back out on the road, and eliminate those positions that -- that - - that are -- positions that are really not needed. So I would rise and ask al1 the Members to support it. PRESIDENT ROCK: Senator Dunn's moved the adoption of Amendment No. 2 to Senate Bill 2031. Further discussion? If not, al1 in favor, indicate by saying Aye. Al1 opposed. The Ayes have it. The amendment's adopted. Further amendments? ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HAPRY) 190  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20z 1992 ! ! No further amendments. ;

3rd Reading. 2032. Senator Watson. Mr. Secretary, read the bill, please. I ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HAQRY) I Senate Bill 2032. 1 (Secretary reads title of bi1l) : i 2nd Reading of the bill. The Committee on Appropriations I offers one amendment. ;

Senator Carroll: on Committee Amendment 1. SENATOR CARROLL: I Thank you, Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. The amendment does basically three things. It's the Senate guidelines amendment. In additiop thereto, it does restore to the I agreed level of last June 49th the qubsidies for seniorse I disableds and students to the mass transit systems - basically the CTA and the other downstate carriers - and then does a minor reallocation for the continuing operations of the Mississippi 1 River Parkway Commission. I would move its adoption. PRESIDENT ROCK: I j Senator Carroll has moved the adoptlon of Committee Amendment No . l to Senate Bill 2032. Discussion? Senator Watson. SENATOR WATSON: I , Yes. I'd like to ask the sponsor a question.

Indicates he will yield, Senator Watson.

HoW much GRF - General Revenue Fund money - are we impacting ! here?

Senator Carroll. l91  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992

I believe it's 3.3 million is the only impact on General j I Revenue. I ! PRESIDENT ROCK: ! : Senator Watson. '

Well, you're cutting -- well, in your guidelines, I believe you're cuttinq about two hundred and forty-five thousand . And I then you're adding to the RTA subsidy, which Would -- by the way l Senator, Was not an agreement , certainly not by this Body and not by this Senator. You're adding back 3.1 million out of GRF, so you're actually -- this is truly a negative impact on the General ! Revenue Fund. Now What are we going to do with the other 23.8 million dollars that the guideline amendment impacts? What are we going to do with that revenue?

Senator Carroll.

We can do one of two things with 1t. The suggestion is that that goes into General Revenue as part of the savings, so that anything saved in operations can go to General Revenue. Now, as you and I both know, General Revenue owes the Road Fund some money, so that could be used to pay it back as well.

Senator Watson.

So you 're proposinq then to take roughly twenty-four million dollars out of the Road Fund, and giving it ko the General Revenue 1 I Fund. So weere talkinq about a major diversion here. What impact I is this going to have on the Road Program that's going to have such a positive effect on downstake roads?

192 I STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 i ' Senator Carroll. h SENATOR CARROLL: According to the Department: it has zero impact on the -- on the Road Program, because this was money they Were not using for road construction or anything else. These Were the things that . are affected by the guidelines. So it cannot be said, like they I used to say, that every dollar we divert costs us five dollars, et cetera: et cetera, et cetera. This is an operations cut. They had taken the money from the Road Fund for operations. The savings can go to General Revenue. And if the Governor so wishes, he can use it to pay back the Road Fund, the money we had borrowed a couple years ago. PRESIDENT ROCK: Senator Watson. SENATOR WATSON: ' Well: thank you. The Department of Transportation was probably the hardest hit agency of any when it came to the early retirement. They lost about eight hundred individuals. What they are proposing to do is hire back about one-thlrd. That was the intent of the twenty-four million dollars and other -- I mean, that's not entirely a11 the twenty-four million, but that was part of it. It was to hire back about one-third of those people. And with -- wikh those people, of course they are the architects, engineers and al1 that would be involved in -- in the Road Program. So what youfre -- if you want to vote Yes for this, what you're saying, then, is that youlre for diverting twenty-four million dollars, roughlyz out of the Road Program, and as a result will have a negative impact on the ability of the Department of Transportation to perform the Road Program as agreed. You dre also going to say, now you're going to take 3.l million dollars out of GRF and send it up to the RTA for their -- for the subsidies for the -- for the seniors and the students and disabled, which was 193  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENEQAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20# 1992 not an agreement that was xade by this -- thks Body, and as a resultz we ought to defeat this amendment. And Iêd ask for a roll call. Thank you.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Purther discussion? If not, Senator Carroll may close.

Veah, I guess it's terrible when they only are getting six hundred new employees. Six hundred. That's what they asked for. It's what's funded. We just said, you know, 'fHey, enough's enough.'' We applied the guidelines, phased in those six hundred so they could have them, but said, ''Hey, enough ls enough .n And the purpose is to say, let us cut back on some of this. We gave them a11 the heavy equipment that the Director said was important. We didn't cut that kind of vehicles, 'cause that road equipment's necessary. Six hundred's enough. Apply the same type of guidelines to them, save some money -- of taxpayer money, and they still have significant Jollars of expansion throughout their budget, and I Would move its adoption.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Carroll has moved the adoption of Committee Amendment No. 1. Those in favor Will vote Aye. Those opposedz Nay. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have a11 voted who wish? Have a1l voted who Wish? Take the record. On that question, the Ayes are 20, the Nays are The amendment -- Commtttee Amendment No. l fails. Further committee amendments?

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HARRY) No further committee amendments.

PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR DZMUZIO) Any amendments from the Floor?

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HAKRY) Amendment No. 2 offered by Senator Carroll.

PRESIDING OFEICER: (SENATOR DEKUZIO) l94  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20e 1992 Senator Carroll. SENATOR CARROLL : ' Withdraw.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Carroll seeks leave to withdraw. Leave is granted . Withdraw. Further... i

ACTING SECRETARX: (MR. HAKRY) Amendment No. 2 offered by Senators Schaffer and Friedland . ;

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Schaffer. SENATOR SCHAFFER: : ' Mr. President, this anendment is not an add-on. It reallocates money for the Fox Valley Corridor Study, and specifies that that money will be spent specifically on the study and on environmental impact statements. Allocates one dollar for a land acquisition. There is concern that the way the bill is currently worded that some of that money might be used to acquire land before the study was completedr in -- in violation with the agreements and understandin: that ke have with our various constituent groups in the area. I donlt think IDOT really kntends ko do that, but this clearly spells out exactly what that money is going to be spent for. It doesn't add any money that isnlt already there; it just targets how it Will be spent and what it wondt be spent on.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Discussion? Senator Carroll.

Thank youy Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. I i rise in opposition to this amendment for two reasons. Onev it ! is my understanding that the Fox Valley ultimate construction is supposed to be a tollway. So that toll revenue would be used and : not Road Fund revenue. Secondly, I think the Senator has failed l95  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 to describe whose program, under the five-year program , will not be funded by taking this money away from the announced program , and spending it on the Fox Valley Corridor. Somebody'é program gets lost, you know, and if you listen to the Department, it might be five or ten times this number when they come up with numbers. We 'l1 lose probably seventy-two billion dollars because of this three million. But clearly, Senator Schaffer, youdre not taking i i it from one of your other roads. So you 're taking it away, if it's spent, from someone else's road program that has been preannounced and part of the program , and I don't think that's I right. I think We should oppose this.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Further discussion? Senator Jacobs.

Well, I -- I'm not going to spend a 1ot of time, because Senator Carroll just basically reiterated itz but you know, I don't understand this. On one hand welre saying no to -- to monies that is qoing to be taken out of the Road Fund and being used elsewhere. And here we're, in effect, doing the same thing. Wedre reducing other projects, and I think by virtue of the vote of the last vote, I would like to see the same vote on a No on this issue. '

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Further discussion? If not, Senator Schaffer may close.

You donît understand, guys. Wedre against the whole stupid project. We just want to make sure they aren't sneaking anything by us. What welre doing is saying they can't spend more than one dollar on land acquisition. There's so much opposition to this thing up our way, we just want to make sure they don't violate their agreement with us. They spent six or seven million dollars on the study. Welre saying, ''Fine, complete the study, but don't 196  l STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 buy one foot of land on this thing until the people in our area have a chance to decide Whether they want it or not.l? And based on current atmosphere in our area: I can tell you itdll be a cold day in the lower reaches before this thing's built. Wedre -- this doesn't add it -- I take that back. It adds one dollar, because that's what We appropriated for land acquisition. A1l we 're saying is that IDOT has an agreement. This is a study thatls going to be a build or no-build recommendatlon. We don't Want anything snuck behind our backs. We don't want to find out theylre buying land on a study that hasnlt even been finished yet. And that's the purpose of this amendment. We don't want the goofy thing, is What Idm telling you.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Schaffer has moved the adoption of Amendment No. A1l in favor, indieate by saying Aye. Opposedw Nay. Nays have it. Amendment No. -- Senator Schaffer has requested a roll call. We're going to be here al1 night. Senator Schaffer has moved the adoption of Amendment No. 2. Those in favor will vote Aye. Those opposed, Nay. The votinq is open. Have all voted who wish? Have a11 voted who wish? Have al1 voted who Wish? Take the record. On that queskion, the Ayes are 25, the Nays are 26. Amendment No. 2 fails. Further amendments?

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. NAPRY) Amendment No. 3 offered by Senators DeAngelis and Philip.

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator DeAngelis. Withdraw. Eeeks to -- leave to withdraw. Withdraw. Further amendments?

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HAKRY) Amendment No. 3 offered by Senator Rock.

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Rock.

l97  STATE 0F ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 Thank you, Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. Amendment No. contains the reductions consistent kith the guidelines that the Senate Appropriations Committee has put in place for virtually every other department. This twenty-four-million-dollar reduction still allows the Department a ten-million-dollar or tWo and a half -- 2.2 percent increase for FYê93. In my judgment: it does not do substankial damage. The fact of the matter is, this Departmentz like every other department of State Government, has to engage in a little downsizing - a little belt-tightening. And so we have said to the hallowed Department of Transportationz or will be saying, by virtue of Amendment No. 3, ''You can only grow an additional 2.2 percent this year only ten million more than you spent last year, not thirty-four milliono'' I would move its adoption.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Is there discussion? Senator Watson.

Thank you. I'm just curious whether this has been distributed. I havenlt seen it# and neither has our staff.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Rock.

The answer is yes.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Purther discussion? Senator Watson, I -- I'm sorry. I'm up here. I can tt look on your desk to find it. Why -- why don't you have somebody hand you the -- the amendment; then maybe we can go home before midnight. Senator Rock.

Well, I kas going to saye there are a pile of amendments on everybody's desk, unfortunately. One of the first distributed happened to be this one. So it's probably at the bottom of the l98  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 stack of papers that you have there. The objection that I heard specifically, particularly, was that the mass transit subsidy was no* agreed by you. T don't know vhere you were last July. I can remenber it was agreed, but that's a whole different subject. This doesn't contain any restorations. This is to cut;this is to j reduce State spending. The Governor has said he œants to spend three hundred and fifty million dollars more than We're going to give him. So the only alternative is to cut State spending. This is a cut in Skate spendlng. Youlre either for cutting State spending, or youdre for raising taxes. Which is it?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Watson.

Well, thank you. I would, thenr like to ask a question of the sponsor. Is this something similar to what we heard just a moment ago from Senator Carroll, where you're going to take around twenty-four million dollars out of the Road Fund -- or out of the Road Program?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Roek.

Stop, please, using that buzz Word that's supposed to light up al1 the lights around here. You know very Well this is coming out of the operations line. And the operations money for the Department of Transportation comes out of the Motor Fuel Tax, and it comes out of the Road Fund. Yes. But it has nothing whatever - nothing - nothing whatever to do with the Road Fund Program. Nothtng.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Purther discussion? Senator Watson.

Well, from what I can gather, Senator, is that we are l99  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 impacting, yesp personnel that will be needed to implement the Road Program. I mean: that's basically what weîve -- what Wedre doing here. Due to the eight hundred people Who retired, they need to reinstate some people: or they need to rehire some people - literally hire people - to do the very Road Program that we - most of us on this Floor - certainly support. If you 're going to take money out of operations, youlre going to be impacting that Road Program and their ability to do it.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Al1 right. Further discussion? Senator Rock may close. Al1 right. I beg -- I beg your pardon. Senator Geo-Karis just turned her light on. Senator Geo-Karis.

..o tmachine cutoffl..oyield for a question? Is this amendment the one that has ''crd'' at the end of itr in the top?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Geo-Karis, Would you repeat your question, please?

Is this the amendment that says SDA87SB2032pam0l/crd?

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HAPRY) Yes, it is.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Okay. We got that settled. Any more -- any more -- Senator Rock may close.

Well, thank you. I suppose it is very simple and easy to cry wolf, as I presume Senator Watson is currently doing. The two hundred and forty vacancies that the Department enjoyed in Fiscal '92 that they want to fill are fully funded. The hundred and seventy-four positions that they're planning to fill are not touched. There won't be any layoffs. It sets up a hiring lag, if you will. You don't hire everybody on July 2nd. So to say -- or 200  ' j . ! STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 to -- to make the statement that this is going to somehow adversely impact the Road Program simply is inaccurate. This is a downsizing of government spending. And that literally is what we are about these days, because the Governor has said, ''If youdre not going to raise the taxes, give me an alternative.'' The alternative, my friends, is to cut spending. Amendment No. 3 does that, and I urge its adoption.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Rock has moved the adoption of Amendment No. 3. Those in favor will indicate by saying Aye. Opposed, Nay. Senator Watson requests a roll call. Senator Rock moves the adoption of Amendment No. 3. Those in favor will vote Aye. Those opposed , Nay. The voting is open. Have a1l voted who wish? Have all voted Who wish? Have a1l voted Who wish? Take the record. On thak guestions the Ayes are 33w the Nays are l7, none voting Present. Amendment No. 3 is adopted. Further amendments?

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. NAPRY) Amendment No. 4 offered by Senators Schaffer and Friedland.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Schaffer. Senator Friedland, do you wish to handle that? Oh. I beg your pardon. There is... .o.tmachine cutoffl...schaffer. Senator Schaffer, is this the amendment that was just lost a few minutes ago? Senator Schaffer.

Yes. And itds a shame it's technically flawed, because this time I think I'd have the votes.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) All right.

I will have to withdraw it, however.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) All right. Senator Schaffer seeks leave to withdraw. 20l  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20y 1992 ! Withdraw. Further amendments?

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HAQRY) No further amendments.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMDZIO) 3rd Reading. 2033. Senator Watson. Mr. -- Mr. Secretary, Senate Bill 2033, please.

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HARRY) Senate Bill 2033. (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Reading of the bill. The Committee on Appropriations I offers one amendment.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Carroll.

Thank you, Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. Committee Amendment No. 1 is to reduce the request of the May lst level of unexpended balances in the reappropriation. I would move its adoption.

PRESIDING OEFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Carroll moves the adoption of Committee Amendment No . 1. Is there discussion? If not, those in favor will indicate by sayinq Aye. Opposed, Nay. The Ayes have it. Committee Amendment No. l is adopted. Purther committee amendments?

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HARRY) No further committee amendments.

PRESTDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZTO) Any amendments from the Floor?

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HAKRY) No Floor amendments.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) 3rd Reading. Senate Bill 2034. Senator Etheredge. Mr. Secretary, 2034, please. 202  STATE OP ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20e 1992

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HAKRY) Senate Bill 2034. (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Reading of the bill. The Committee on Appropriations 11 offers two amendments. Committee Amendment No. 1.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Hall. Senator Hall.

Thank you, Mr. President and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. This -- the Senate guidelines -- Committee 1 is Senate guidelines, and it restores prevention services and qrant.s. I move for the adoption of this Committee...

Senator Hall moves the adoption of Committee Amendment No. 1. Is khere discusslon? Senator Maitland.

Thank you, Mr. President, Members of the -- of the Senate. Senator Hall, the net result of this amendment is -- is an add-on of slightly over two million dollars. Is that correct?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMDZIO) Senator Hall.

You 're absolutely correet.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Maitland.

Based on some of'the prevlous comments about these add-ons, either you are -- either you are against the add-ons or you are for increased taxes. Is that correct?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Carroll.

203  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSENBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 i Thank you, Mr. Presidentr Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. Senator Hall may not be aware andy Senator Maitland, 1et me advise ! you. While we had talked about this before as part of the safety net, et cetera, you will find a Floor amendment that reverses some ! of this, so that the net impact is not that great of a restoration whatsoever, but rather only for the treatment grants, which, as I j I recall it, it's somewhere around eight hundred thousand. The tWo i million would still be saved. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Further discussion? Sen4tor Hall has moved the adoption of 1 committee Amendment No. 1. Thoye in favor will indicate by saying Aye. Opposed, Nay. The Ayes h:ve it. Committee Amendment No. l I is adopted. Purther commlttee qmendments? . ( ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. NAKRY) Committee Amendment No. 2. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) ! Senator Hall. 5 SENATOR HALL: This is just a technical correction. I PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMDZIO) Senator Hall has moved the adoption of Committee Amendment No. 2. Is there discussion? If not, those in favor will indicate by saying Aye. Opposed, Nay. The Ayes have it. Committee Amendment ! No. 2 is adopked. Further committee amendments? ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. NAKRY) No further committee amendments. PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Any amendments from the Floor? ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. EARRY) Amendment No . 3 offered by Senator Hall. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Hall. . : 204 !  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20r 1992

This reallocates part of the restoration made -- from prevention to treatment grants and eliminates the balance of the original 2.8 million restoration.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Hall moves -- I beg your pardon.

So I move for the adoption of this amendment.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Hall moves the adoption of Amendment No. Discussion? Senator Maitland.

Thank you: Mr. President. The net result is a one million forty-five thousand dollar add-on.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Further discussion? Senator Di Turi.

I was at Dasha House Sunday morning, eiqht-thirty on Sunday morningg and Monsignor McDermott took me on a tour of the House. This treatment's very important for the Monsignor and his patients. Wedre taking women that are pregnant: on drugs; We're talking crack, cocaine-related drugs. With this treatment it gives each and one of them a free baby born of drugs and of crack. A free baby born. No children will be born with crack or cocaine. This is very important to keep that program open so the treatment can be there for these women who get pregnant and are on drugs. I voke that we should go with this.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMDZIO) Further discussion? Senator Carroll.

Thank you, Mr. President: Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. Only to say that it's my understandin: that itls a net reduction 205  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 of a million-one overall, and I would -- following the prior speaker, move its adoption. r PRESTDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Hall has moved the adoption of Amendment No. 3. Further discussion? If not, those in favor, indicate by saying Aye. Opposed, Nay. The Ayes have it. Amendment No. 3 is adopted. Further -- further amendments? ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HAQRY) Amendment No. 4 offered by Senator Rock. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Rock. Senator -- withdraw. Senator Rock seeks to Withdraw. Withdraw. Further anendments? ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HAQRY) Amendment No. 4 offered by Senator Carroll. PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Carroll. Senator Carroll seeks leave to withdraw. Leave to Withdraw. Further amendments? ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. NAPRY) No further amendments. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) 3rd Reading. 2035. Senator Fawell. Mr. Secretary, 2035. ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HAQRY) Senate Bill 2035. (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Reading of the bill. The Committee on Appropriations 11 offers one amendment. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Hall. . SENATOR HALL: I Senate guidelines committee. I move for the adoption. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) . 1 . Senator Hall moves the adoption of Committee Amendment No. 1. 206  STATE 0F ILLINOIS 87th GENEKAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 Istherediscussion? Ifnot,those in favor will indicate by j sayin: Aye. Opposed, Nay. The Ayes have it. Committee Amendment No. 1 is adopted. Further committee amendments?

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HAQRY) No further committee amendments.

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Any amendments from the Floor?

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HAKRY) No Floor amendments.

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) 3rd Readinq. Senate Bill 2036. Senator Maitland. Mr. Secretary, 2036.

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HARRY) Senate Bill 2036. (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Reading of the bill. The Committee on Appropriations 11 offers one amendment.

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Hall.

Thank you, Mr. President, Ladieé and Gentlemen of the Senate. This is the Senate guidelines, and it restores Project Chance. I move for the adoption of the amendment.

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Hall has moved the adoption of Committee Amendment No. 1. Is there discussion? Senator -- Senator Maitland .

Yeah. IIm the guy...

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) I thought it was snappy. Senator Maitland.

I'm sorryz Mr. President. Senator Hall, I just -- I meany you 207  l STATE OP ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLX REGULAR SESSION ' SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 -- you explained very briefly what this amendment does. Doesn't it do substantially more than that? Do you want to explain the amendment a little bit better? PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Hall. SENATOR HALL: It's -- what it does is, itfs Project Chance, and it has case management hardship assistance, spousal impoverishment, bed-hold reserve, long-term care providers and day treatments for long-term care residents; eliminates the new program Healthy Moms - Kids, which only increased physicians' rates. Apd the total reduction is twenty million plus three -- no -- twenty thousand three hundred and seventy eight dollars. I mean twenty million. I move for the adoption of the amendment. PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Further discussion? Senator Palmer. SENATOR PALMER: I rise in support of putting this money back. For those of you who are concerned about Women getting off welfare, this is one of the key, central ways of doing so. This has an education component. It has a back-to-work component. It has a11 of the parts that we have talked about. What this amendment does is provide those means. Welre kalking about, for the most part, women - single women heads of households - who have children. The safety net features are very neeessary, and if welre very serious about this, then I would urge a1l of us to vote for putting this back in. It is a small amount to pay for *he future af thousands of children and their mothers. . PRESIDING OFFICERI (SENATOR DEMUZIO) A11 right. Further discussion? Senator Maitland. SENATOR MAITLAND: Yes. I want to -- you know, I'm -- I'm a little bit confused 208  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION . SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 i by the argument on this issue. The Governor had a new initiative - a new initiative - the Healthy Mom and Healthy Kids Program; i thirty million dollars targeted for the City of Chicago, because 1 there was a recognition of the fact that -- that young babies were j being born Without proper prenatal eare. Targeted specifically - specifically - for the City. It's a pilot program , one that probably is -- is long overdue. I don't know why in the world you ! want to reject this. Senator, Project Chance, or whatever we're I j 1 going to eventually call it, is a neeessary program, and wedre ' qoing to have it one way or another. We have differing views as to hoW we should conduct that. I don't think that's at issue ; here, but I want you to -- make sure you understand what you are ' voting for here - a very new and worthwhile program that is going j to save this State millions of dollars in the future.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Further discussion? Senator Fawell.

Thank -- thank you very much. I'm a little confused. I 1 gather this is talking about puttin: money back into Project Chance, which we are then going to get rid of by putting it over into opportunities into the college -- community college? I would ! like the sponsor to answer my question. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) ! Yes. Senator Hall, Senator Carroll, I think, seeks recognition. Senator Carroll.

Senator Carroll is going ko...

Thank you, Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. Let me explain it as I best understand it. First of all, the Healthy Moms - Healthy Kids Program -- the program basically was in existence. This is not intended to create any new people being 209  STATE OF ILLINOTS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 served. All it was was a rate increase io the doctors who were providing the service. As to the issue of the Project Chance and its case management, the Governor was proposing eliminating the case management, throwing it over to community colleges With no funds attached. The suggestion We are making is twofold, part of which shows up in this budgek, and that is: in discussions with community college and in part with the Department: put the job training component into the community colleges so that we can received a federal reimbursement for the credit hour rate. But the case manaqement part these schools knew nothing about. They wouldn 't even know how to do it. It kould be a new bureaucracy khat we would have to fund. Leave that where it was at Public Aid, and 1et the community collegesr using partially the federal funds they will aequire by charging for the credit hours, 1et them contract back with Public Aid, to provide the case management with the people who know how to do it best.

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR DKMUZIO) Senator Pawell.

Well, I1m glad you explained it so well. First of all, then, to the billl Number one, Ilve been on the Infant Mortality Commission about three years. One of the problems that We have, and the reason -- one of the main reasons we have the infant mortality rate that we do in this State is because we're not paying the doctors enough. And frankly, Wedre getting lousy doctors. If we paid the doctors anywhere near what they would normally :et for an OB case and you've got to realize a 1ot of these cases are high-risk pregnancies - then We wouldn't be paying on the other end When we end up having one-and-a-half- and two-pound babies. And Senator Carroll or Senator Palmere if you 've ever been down to Cook County or St. Luke-pres like I have, and seen those rows and rows of one-and-a-half- and two-pound 210 ' STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 babies that Welre spending a hundred to two hundred thousand I dollars on to try and save after the fact, that Would be way better spent at the beginning, by giving the doctors a decent living Wage, and not :et these medical quacks that are takin: care ! of these kids right now, we'd be way ahead. As far as Project ! chance is concerned, let me tell you, I sat there for three hours I in a subcommittee hearing about Project Chance. They -- these i caseworkers that you are commending, that are -- you are saying 1 are so great, brought in their prize student and the direetion . they gave him was to go to a proprietary school, spend fourteen thousand dollars, when he could have gotten the same darn khing at the community college. If that's what the caseworkers are doing, we would be Well rid of them , and let's get some people that know 1 E what the heck theydre talking about. I think this is a bad amendment, and -- and we -- we should -- we shouldn't do it. i

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Further discussion? Senator Luft. I

Thank you, Mr. President. I think the previous speaker put this amendment in its proper perspective. You either want to vote ' for a decent wage for lousy doctors or minimum wage for someone trying to get off the Welfare rolls. '

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Further discussion? Senator Palmer.

I certainly support exacEly what Senators Carroll and Luft said. And, Senator Maitland, just to answer you, there are a number of organizations in the -- in Chieago, in particular, that i have been doing a fine job for years with women. And in the same sense as this very expensive program, Healthy Moms - Healthy Kids: 1 to mention two of them, Family Focus and Families with a Future. And I'm sure that I can extend that list. So With all due respect ! i 211  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20# 1992 to the concern about children, if we dre talking about that, we ought to consider those that are already carrying this out.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Further discussion? Senator Carroll.

Thank your Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. Let me just say, Senator Fawell: I was not at the meeting, so forgive me. But I -- as Was reported to me, that particular client said the caseworker had told that client not to qo to the proprietary school and the client said, ''I'm sorry I made that choice.'' Minor matter, but I think it's important as to What Works and what doesn't. Secondly: 13.2 million goinq to the doctors, Whether they see a person or not. It's not a payment per person seen. It's what they call a capitation rate. It means they get paid whether the person shows up or not. That's what the proposal was. Thatls, to mez wrong. There's better uses of those money than that type of, in effeet, a pay raise to the medical profession, particularly the medical profession in this field. And I have been at County: and I have been at Rush-pres, and I firmly believe that this is a much better way to do it. On the P I roject Chance, the issue has to be create jobs. ïou get people off of welfare by giving them some skills and qiving them an opportunity to obtain a job. The Governory I thinky in part was correct by saying that by taking the credit hour portion through the community colleges, we can get reimbursed by the Federal Government that we could not otherwise do; but that the community colleges have no knowledge of case management and that that should still sEay over at the Department. And I would again urge adoption of Committee Amendment No. 1.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Carroll's moved the adoption of Committee Amendment No. 1. Those in favor will indicate by saying Aye. Opposed, Nay. 2l2  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT l07*h Legislative Day May 20, 1992 The Ayes have it. Committee Amendment No. l is adopted. Further committee amendments?

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HAQRY) No further committee amendments.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Any amendments from the Floor?

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HAPRY) Amendment No. 2 offered by Senator Rock.

PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Rock seeks leave to kithdraw. Withdraw. Further amendments?

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. NADRY) Amendment No. 2 offered by Senator Carroll.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Seeks to withdraw. Withdraw. Further amendments?

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HAKRY) Amendment No. 2 offered by Senator Carroll.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Seeks to withdraw. Withdraw. Further amendments?

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HARRY) AmendmenE No. 2 offered by Senator Schaffer. ! PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) 1 Senator Schaffer. Senator Schaffer, is this khe same amendment that you offered a while ago? Senator Schaffer .

No. That wasn't an add-back. This is. This restores the adult dental program , I think, for thirteen million-three; half federal-half State. I think most of us know that we fre going to end up paying for these dental services, many of which are provided in nursing homes: and I think we're going to -- it's cheaper to pay for it through normal dental sources than through emergency hospital calls. We seem to take it out every year and 1 I 213  STATE OP ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20z 1992 ! then we end up putting it back by the time the smoke clears and 1 cooler heads prevail, so I thought we'd try and do it early this year. , j

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Schaffer has moved the adoption of Amendment No . 2. Is there discussion? Those in favor, indicate by saying Aye. Opposed, Nay. Opinion of the Chair, the Ayes have it. Further amendments?

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. NAQRY) No further amendments.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) 3rd Reading. Senate Bill 2037. Senator Maitland. Mr. Secretary, 2037, please.

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. NAPRY) Senate Bill 2037. (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Reading of the bill. The Committee on Appropriations 11 offers one amendment.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Hall.

Thank you, Mr. President. This is a Senate guidelines amendment, and I move for the adoption.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Hall moves the adoption of Committee Amendment No. 1. Is there discussion? If not, those in favor will indicate by sayin: Aye. Opposed, Nay. The Ayes have it. Committee Amendment No. 1 is adopted. Purther committee amendments?

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HAQRY) No further committee amendments.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Any amendments from the Floor? 214  STATE OP ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HAPRY) Amendment No. 2 offered by Senator Rock.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Rock seeks to Withdraw. Withdraw. Further amendments?

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HANRY) No further -- or wait, pardon me. Amendment No. 2 offered by Senator Carroll.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Carroll seeks leave to Withdraw . Withdraw. Further amendments?

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HAKRY) Amendment No. 2 offered by Senator del Valle.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator del Valle. SENATOR dEL VALLE: Thank you, Mr. President. This amendment restores 5.8 million to the Women, Infants and Children Program that Was eliminated from the Department of Public Hea1th budget. As we all know: IDPH estimates -- estimates indicate that only forty-four percent of those eliqible for WIC in Illinois are now being served because of inadequate funding. We are attempting here to make sure khat we reach the percentage that was excluded as a result of this cut. Skill not taking us anywhere near where we should be, but improving the situation. I move the adoption of this amendment.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator de1 Valle has moved the adoption of Amendment No. 2. Discussion? Senator Maitland.

Thank you very muchr Mr. President and Members of the Senate. This is -- ks a General Revenue portion of the WIC Program that was eliminated by the Governor this year, and I think justifiably 2l5  ! STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20: 1992 so. This is a program that has grown dramatically over the years. It has a sixteen-percent increase this year, not ineluding this five million dollars. Sixteen percent. We are golng to be serving substantially more people under this program . Senator del Valle, as I said in committee, this is five million dollars of money that we don't have to put in here. It is not a match or anything. This money can be used in many other social service areas that can impact greater on our ability to capture federal dollars. This is not a good thing to do, and ought to be rejected. And Mr. President, on this one, I request a roll call.

PRESIDING OPPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Further -- is there discussion? Senator Cullerton.

I'm just a little confused. Was Senator Maitland referring to the -- which amendment? Is this the amendment that spends seven million dollars for the dental provisions that...

PRESIDING OPPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Cullerton, that was adopted in the last -- last bill, as I thinkz if I heard you question...

Did -- did Senator Maitland want to speak against that, or was he only speakinq against the WIC?

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) It's hard for me to deternine what Senator Maitland is speaking for and against. Ifm sorry, I don't have an opinion.

Well, I just want to make it clear. Did we just pass an amendment that spent seven million dollars in General Revenue add-on...

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Maitland. '

2l6  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20. 1992 ... for Senator Schaffer's amendment?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Maitland. I don't want to answer your questions for you. Senator Maitland. '

Well, I'm not -- I'm not sure I need to respond. If you 're I interested, I was a no voice vote on that one, Senator. We 're on -- we're on Senate Bill 2037, a different amendment. A11 right?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Al1 right. NoW We know Where. Further discussion? Senator I DeAngelis. SENATOR DeANGELIS: I was just goin: to say that we keep our debate to the bill that we dre currently discussing. 1

PRESIDING OPPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) What? Sorrye I didn't hear you. Senator DeAngelis. I SENATOR DeANGELIS: I was just going to suggest that we keep our debate to the bill we 're currently discussing.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Good advice. Is there further discussion? If not, Senator del Vallee you may close. SENATOR dEL VALLE: Mr. Presidente this is one humble legislatorîs attempt to set some priorities. Wefve talked today, a1l afternoon, about cuttinge cuttinge cutting. But we have failed to talk abouk setting priorities. I'm interested in cutting administrative fat. I1m interested in cutting Wherever ye can cut, but I'm also interested in taking some of those dollars and shifting them into areas that will make a difference - into areas that will save us dollars down the road. And this is one of those areas. A recent study of the WIC Programe sponsored by the Department of 2l7  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENENAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 Agriculture, showed that every dollar spent through WIC on prenatal care saved between a dollar ninety-two and four ; twenty-one in Medicaid payments during the first sixty days after a child's birth. We knok what's happening to Medicaid spending. Here 's an opportunity for us to reach more than forty-four percent of those eligible - a little more than forty-four percent - and save some dollars on Medicaid costs. Let's take some actions that show -- clearly show the public in the State of Illinois Where our priorities are. That's why I urge your support of this amendment.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) All right. Senator Maitland has requested a roll call. Senator del Valle has moved the adoption of Amendment No. 2. Those in favor will vote Aye. Those opposed, Nay. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have a1l voted Who wish? Have a11 voted who wish? Take the record. On that question, the Ayes are 26, the Nays are 27, none voting Present. Amendment No. 2 fails. Further amendments? SECRETARY HAWKER: , No further amendments.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) 3rd Reading. Senate Bill 2215. Senator Etheredge. Madam -- Madam Secretary, 2215, please.

Senate Bill 2215. (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Reading of the bill. The Committee on Appropriations I offers Committee Amendment No. 1.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Carroll.

Thank you, Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. Committee Amendment No. l is the other additional supplemental 2l8  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day ' May 20, 1992 appropriations, as discussed in conmittee, that met with the approval, and I would move its adoption. I

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senatqr Carroll moves the adoption of Committee Amendment No. 1. Discussion? If not, those in favor, indicate by saying Aye. Opposed, Nay. The Ayes have 1t. Committee Amendment No. l is adopted . Further committee amendments?

No further committee amendments.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Any amendments from the Floor?

Senator Carroll offers Amendment No. 2.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Carroll.

Thank you, Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. Itds a technical amendment, no dollar change, and I Would move its adoption.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Carroll moves the adoption of Amendment No. 2. Is there discussion? If not, those in favor will indicate by saying Aye. Opposed: Nay. The Ayes have it. Amendment No. 2 is adopted. Further amendments?

Amendment No. 3 offered by Senator Ekheredge.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Etheredge.

Thank you very much, Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. This adds additional spending authority for federal funds that are now available to ISAC monetary award program . I 219  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 move for its adoption.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Friedland -- I'm sorry. Senator Etheredge has moved the adoption of Amendment No 3. Is there discussion? If not, those in favor will indicate by saying Aye. Opposedy Nay . The Ayes have it. Amendment No. is adopted. Further amendments?

Amendment No. 4 offered by Senator Holmberg.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Holmberg.

Thank you, Mr. President. This is an amendment to add funds for several capital development projects from the Democratic side. A little earlier Senator Etheredge had added some for the Plainfield schools, and there Were several that had been submitted on our side which we withheldz because we felt it would not be the appropriate year to do that. But I think, as Senator Demuzio said, it was probably time to, you know, come back to the issue and to propose those particular items. There are three items in the amendment. One is the amount of six million eight hundred and fifty-one thousand nine hundred, to be appropriated from the Capital Development Fund to the Capital Development Board for the Illinois Community College Board for the planning, design, site preparation, renovation and construction of a humanities administration building and parking area at Southeastern Illinois College in Senakor Rea's district. There's also the amounk of five mkllion dollars appropriated from the School Construction Fund to the Capital Development Board for planning, construction and a11 necessary costs for a new junior high school building in Kinnickinick school district, the fastest-growing district in the State, and they dve completely outgrown their facilities. And then the amount of five thousand <sic> (million) three hundred and 220  STATE 0F ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSTON SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 ninety-five thousand four hundred to be appropriated from the Capital Development Fund to the Capital Development Board for the Board of Regents to construct a facility f8r NIU's Rockford Center, including site improvements. This was skipped over by the government -- Governor even though it was very high up on the Board of Higher Education list, and deserves to be moved forward this year, because they are ready to break ground. recommend its adoption.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senator Holmberg has moved the adoption of Amendment No . 4. Is there discussion? Senator Etheredge. END OF TAPE TAPE 5

Well, thank you very muchy Mr. President. I -- think the Senator has laid -- described these projects very well, so that we can understand them. What I did not understand in her description was any emergency for any one of these, whether a tornado or a fire or what have you. There are a number of -- there were a number of these projects related to hiqher education - - capital projects. There's already a significant percentage of the total capital program that has been allocated to -- to Higher Ed ln the Governor's budget. I -- think that We're talking about projects that are significantly different in character than the one that we talked about earlier on.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) A1l right. Further discussion? If not, Senator Holmber: may 22l  1 I STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENEFAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 close.

I would just like to say that emergencies can be described in ! very different ways, and certainly children who cannot get an education because they don't have a building, because they're in an overcrowded districty is too an emergency. And I recommend the l adoption of this amendment. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) . Senator Holmberg has moved the adoption of Amendment No. 4. Those in favor, indicate by saying Aye. Opposed, Nay. No# I said i Aye or Nay; I didn't say roll call. I said -- all right, Senator Holmberg has moved the adoption of Amendment No. 4. Those is favqr will vofe Aye. Those opposed, Nay. The voting is open. l Have all voted who wish? Have all voted Who wish? Have all voted who wish? Take the record. On that question, the Ayes are 13, i the Nays are 32, none voting Present. Amendment No. 4 fails. Further amendments?

No further amendments.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMDZIO) 3rd Reading. If youill go back Eo page 3 now, page 3 on your Calendar. In the middle of the page is Senate Bills 1727, 28 and 29. Senator Rock.

: Thank you: Mr. President. These are the last remaining appropriation bills: I would gsk that they be moved to the Order of 3rd Reading. Senator Philip and I will have an opportunity later or early tomorrow to discuss possible or probable amendments. We have also, as a courtesy, have to discuss them With the Speaker and Representative Daniels, so I'd ask that We move them . After we finish the appropriation bills: the last Order of Business, of course, is the Agreed Bill List. You a11 222  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLX REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 have a Supplemental Calendar. The Seeretary assures me that it can ! be read and handled with dispatch. We should indeed be out of here by six o'clock. I would ask consideration of Senate Bills I 2nd Reading, 1727, 8 and 9. ( PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) I 1 Al1 right. With leave of the Body we will return to the order of paqe 3, Senate Bills 2nd Reading is Senate Bill 1727, Madam Secretary . i

Senate Bill 1727. l (Secretary reads title of bill) 2ndReading of the bill. Nocopmittee amendments. l

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DE:UZIO) Any amendments from the Ploor? I

No Floor amendments.

PRESIDTNG OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) 3rd Reading. Senate Bill 1728, Madam Seeretary.

Senate Bill 1728. (Secretary reads title of bill) ! 2nd Reading of the bill. No committee amendments.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Any amendments from the Floor?

No Floor amendments.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) i 3rd Reading. Senate Bill 1729: Madam Secretary. '

Senate Bill 1729. (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Reading of the bill. No committee amendments. 223  STATE OP ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT r 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Any amendments from the Floor?

No Floor amendments. '

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) l 3rd Reading. Senator Carroll, for what purpose do you arise?

Thank you, Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. On the Calendar also are three appropriation bills that I wish to recommit to the Appropriations I Committee. They would be Senate i Bill 1877, 1878 and 1879, and I would move, Mr. Presidenk, they be i recommitted to the Committee on Appropriations 1.

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) All right. Senator Carroll has moved to recommit Senate Bills 1877, 1878 and 1879 to the Committee on Appropriaticns 1. A1l in - - those in favor, indicate by saying Aye. Opposed, Nay. The Ayes have it. Those three bills are recommitted to the Appropriations I Committee. We will now -- on the Agreed Bill List, the Secretary Will read those bills on the Agreed Bill List, Mr. Secretary, please.

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HARRY) Senate Bill 400. (Secretary reads Eitle of bill) Senate Bill 969. (Seeretary reads title of bill) Senate Bill 1486. (Secretary reads title of bill)

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) These bills are being read for a third time.

ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HARRY) Senate Bill 1486. (Secretary reads title of bill) 224 r'  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 Senate Bill 1552. (Secretary reads title of bill) Senate Bill 1585. (Secretary reads title of bill) Senate Bill 1618. (Secretary reads title of bill) Senate Bill 1647. (Secretary reads title of bill) Senate Bill 1655. (Secretary reads title of bill) Senate Bill 1692. (Secretary reads tijle of bill) Senate Bill 1699. (Secretary reads tsjle of bill) Senate Bill 1708. (Secretary reads tijle of bill) Senate Bill 1713. (Secretary reads title of bill) Senate Bill 1716. (Secretary reads title of bill) Senate Bill 1732. (Secretary reads title of bill) Senate Bill 1736. (Secretary reads title of bill) Senate Bill 1749. (Secretary reads title of bill) Senate Bill 1760. (Secretary reads title of bill) Senate Bill 1769. (Secretary reads title of bill) Senate Bill 1771. (Secretary reads title of bill) 22S  STATE OF JLLINOIS 87th GENEFA> ASSEMBLY ! REGULAF SESSION SENATE YRANSCRIPT l07kh Leqislative Day May 20, 1992 Senate Bill 1772. (Secretary reads title of bill) Senate Bill 1793. (Secretary reads title of bill) Senate Bill 1892. (Secretary reads title of bill) Senate Bill 1899. (Secretary reads title of bill) Senate Bill 1909. (Secretary reads title of bill) Senate Bill 1914. i (Secretary reads title of bill) Senate Bill 1922. (Secretary reads title of bill) Senate Bill 1926. ! (Secretary reads title of bill) Senate Bill 1936. . (Secretary reads title of bill) Senate Bill 1937. : (Secretary reads title of bill) Senate Bill 1940. (Secretary reads title of bill) 1 Senate Bill 1944. (Secretary reads title of bill) I Senate Bill 1950. (Secretary reads title of bill) Senate Bill 1953. (Secretary reads title of bill) Senate Bill 1954. (Secretary reads tiyle of bill) Senate Bill 1964. (Secretary reads title of bill) 226  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 i ! Senate Bill 1984. i (Secretary .reads title of bill) ' Senate Bill 1992. (Secretary reads title of bill) Senate Bill 1997. ! (Secretary reads title of bill) ' Senate Bill 1998. j (Secretary reads title of bill) Senate Bill 2039. : (Secretary reads eiele of bill) Senate Bill 2049. ' (Secretary reads eikle of bill) Senate Bill 2053. (Secretary reads tijleofbill) ! Senate Bill 2057. I (Secretary reads tiyle of bill) ' Senate Bill 2068. ! (Secretary reads title of bill) Senate Bill 2098. I (Secretary reads title of bill) Senate Bill 2105. (Secretary reads title of bill) l Senate Bill 2111. (Secretary reads title of bill) i . Senate Bill 2127. (Secretary reads title of bill) Senate Bill 2128. (Secretary reads title of bill) Senate Bill 2161. (Secretary reads tltle of bill) Senate Bill 2162. (Secretary reads title of bill) 227  STATE 0F ILLINOIS i 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGDLAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 Senate Bill 2166. (Secretary reads title of bill) Senate Bill 2176. (Secretary reads title of bill) Senate Bill 2128 Ksic> (2182). (Secretary reads title of bill) Senate Bill 2190. (Secretary reads title of bill) Senate Bill 2191. (Secretary reads title of bi11) ! ' Senate Bill 2192. (Secretary reads title of bill) I 1 Senate Bill 2204. (Secretary reads title of bill) I Senate Bill 2205. (Secretary reads title of bill) i Senate Bi11 2229. I I lsecretary reads title of bi11) And Senate Bill 2233. I (Secretary reads title of bill) i 3rd Reading of the bills.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) This next roll call will be on the final passage of the bills just read by the Secretary. The question is, shall this series -- i shall this series of bills pass. Those in favor will vote Aye. Those opposed will vote Nay. The voting is open. Have all voted Who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have al1 voted who Wish? I Take *he record. On that question, -- on these bills, the votes I are 55 voting Ayey no Nays, no -- none voting Present. This series of bills, having received a -- a constitutional majority by I record vote, is declared passed. The record vote for each bill passed shall be entered into the Journal. Senator Rock, for what 1 228  STATE OP ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20: 1992 purpose do you arise?

Thank you, Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. I kould like the record to reflect that Senator Ted Lechowicz is still hospitalized and so is not With us today, and Senator Jim Rea Was called home on a family emergency. I understand his mother underwent emergency surgery this afternoon, so neither one of them are with us. I would hope the record would reflect their excused absence. And if there is no further businesse do We have some paperwork?

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Yes, we got a couple things here.

Okay. Otherwisey nine o 'clock tomorrow morning, Ladies and Gentlemen. We are trying desperately to conclude our work as expeditiously as possible. Friday is totally dependent on hoW much we get done tomorrow. So wedll start at nine o'clock tomorrow morning.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) A11 right. Further business to come before the Senate? Senator Jacobs.

Thank you, Mr. President. Point of personal privilege. It has been brought to my attention that Senator Hall is celebrating his thirty-ninth birthday many times removed. Kenny? And we would like to wish Kenny Hall a happyy happy birthday. Congratulatlons.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Senaeor Hall.

I'd just like to say that -- thanks, and want you to know that today is my thirty-eighth anniversary of my thirty-ninth 229  STATE OF ILLINOIS 87th GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 107th Legislative Day May 20, 1992 birthday. I'm seventy-seven and -- and still have al1 my teeth. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) ' Senator Kelly , for what purpose do you arise? Senator Kelly . j SENATOR KELLY: I Was going to extend my, certainly, congratulations to Senator Hall as well. Hels been a longtime friend, and certainly a great leader and a respected colleague of ours, and I just want to say happy birthday. Have a great year of good health and much success in a11 your endeavors. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Yeah, and we hope you keep your teeth. Further -- or Resolutions. ACTING SECRETARY: (MR. HARRY) Senate Resolution 1291 offered by Senator Marovitz. It's a death resolution. And Senate Resolution 1292 offered by Senator Demuzio and all Members. It's congratulatory. PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR DEMUZIO) Consent Calendar. Al1 right. Further business to come before the Senate? Senator Rock moves that the Senate stand adjourned until tomorrow morning at the hour of nine o 'clock. Nine o'clock. 230  i. REPORTZ TIFLDAY STATE 0F ILLINOIS 93/04/20 ' PAGEI 00L 3TFH GENERAL ASSEI4BLY 09:16152 l ! ZENATE DAILY TRAN3CûIPTION OF DEBATE INDEX 1 f4AY 20: :992 FIZST READIISG FIRST READING FIRSY REAOING FIRST READING FIRST READING PIRST READING FIRST READING FIRST READING FIRST READING FIRST READING FIRST READING FIRST READING FIRST READDMG FIRST READING FIRST REAOING FIRST READING FIRST READING FIRSY READING FIRST READING FIRST READICkG FIRST READING FIRST REAOING FIRST REAOLMG FIRST READING FIRST READING FIRST READING FIRST READIfMG FIRST READING FIRST READING FIRST REAOING FIRZT READING FIRST READING FIRST READING FIRST READING FIRST READING FIRST READING FIRST READING FIRST READING FJRST READING THIRD READING THIRD READING SECOIkD READING SECON: READING SECOND READING THIRO READING SECOND READING THIRD READING SECOIMD READING SECOND READING SECOND READING SECOND READING THIRD READING SECORD READING SE;OND READING SECOND READING THIRD READING THIRD READING THIRO READING SEEONO READING SECOND REAOING THIRO READIRG THIRD READING THIRD REAOING THIRD READING  'i E REPORT: T.IFLDAY STATE OF 1LLlNOlS 93/0#/20 PAGEz (1()2 87TH G ENERAL AS3EMBLY O9Ik6 I52 1 siiNATE ' DAILY TRANSCRIPTlt3N OF DEBAT E INDEX dAY 20 l , 1992 j S I d-17l6 THIRD READING PAGE 225 : SB- :727 SECOND READING PAGE 223 l SB-1:28 SECOND READING PAGE 223 1 ; 3b-1:29 sEc0N0 READING PAGE 223 1 SB- 1730 SECOND READING PAGE 93 53- 1732 THIRD READING PAGE 225 50-1733 SECOND READING PAGE 93 SB-1T36 THIRO READING PAGE 225 S3- tT#9 THIRD READING PAGE 225 S.- :750 SECOND READING PAGE 35 SB-17ô0 THIRD READING PAGE 225 58-::68 SECOND READING PAGE 36 S3- :789 THIRD READING PAGE 225 SB-1T71 THIRD REAOING PAGE 225 SB-l772 THIRD READING PAGE 226 50-1789 SECOND READING PAGE 37 58-1793 THIRD READING PAGE 226 Sö-lT96 SECOND R6AOING PAGE 38 Sz- :8:0 SEZOND READING PAGE 91 S8-t8# : SECORD READING PAGE 98 SB-18#2 SECOND READING PAGE 99 Sb-1J#3 SECOND READING PAGE tO0 SB-l8#* SECOND READING PAGE t01 Sb-18*5 SECONO READING PAGE 103 SB-t84& SECOND READING PAGE 10# S8-18#7 SECOND READING PAGE 105 50-18:8 SEEOND READING PJGE 107 SB-18*9 SECOND READING PAGE 107 SB-l850 SECOND READIMG PAGE 108 So-tB67 SEEOND READING PAGE lO9 58-1868 SECON: READING PAGE L09 50-1869 SECONO READING PAGE t10 SB-1370 SECOND READING PAGE t10 SB-1871 SECOND READING PAGE 11O S&- :372 SEZOND READING PAGE t1l Sô-k873 S6CONb READIRG PAGE 111 SB-t87# SECOND READING PAGE 11L St-t8Y5 SELOND READING PAGE 111 SB-1B76 SECOND READING PAGE 1L2 Sau- :877 MOTION PAGE 224 SB-tB7d l'10TI0N PAGE 22# ,S3- :879 30TI0Q PAGE 2&* 3,-tB;0 SECOND READING PAGE ll2 53-1831 SECOND REAOING PAGE t15 58-1882 SEEONO READING PAGE 115 L.z-1883 SECOND READING PAGE 115 Sd-133# SECOND READING PAGE 1lô Sö-l8B5 SECOND READING PAGE 116 58-1:86 SECOND READING PAGE tL6 52-1887 SECOND READING PAGE 116 3L-1890 SECOND READING PAGE 38 SB-1a92 CHIRD REAOING PAGE 226 58-1899 THIRD READING PAGE 226 54-1909 THIRD REAOING PAGE 2Z6 S3- 1914 THIRO RE/9IZ4G PAGE 226 5:-1922 THIRD READING PAGE 226 &o-t926 THIRD READING PAGE 226 Sb- t930 SECOND READING PAGE #0 SB- t931 SECOND R6ADING PAGE 65 ' 5.-1936 THIRD READING PAGE 226 58- t937 THIRD REAOING PAGE 226 S:-19#0 THIRD REAOING PAG6 e26 j SL-t9## THIRD READING SB- 19#5 SECOND READING PAGE PAGE 226 66  e zi) RE PORT: T iFLDA Y .STATE 0F iLLINOIS 93/04/20 PA GE I 0f)3 87TH GENIERAL ASSEII3LY 09:16:52 GENATE DAIL.Y TMANSGRIPTION E;F DEBA'I'E INDEK I'IAY 20 , L992 S8- 1950 THIRO READING 53-1953 THIRD REAOING Sta- 195* THIRD REAOING Sb- 196* THIRD REAOING SB-1971 SECOND READING 5a-:979 SECOND REAOING 58-:980 S6C0ND READING 5:--1984 THIRD READING 58-1992 THIRD READING 55-1997 THIRD READING 3:-1993 THIRD READING SB-2O0t SECONO READING 52-2002 SECOND READING ' 5$-2:03 SECOND READING Su-200# SECOND READING SL-2O05 SECOND READING SB-2O0é SECOND READING SB-2o07 SEEOND READING 5:-2008 SECOND READING :8-2009 SECDND READING S3-20t0 SECONS READING Sb-20l1 SEEOND READING 53-2012 SECOND READING 53-20t3 SECDND READING Su-2O14 SECOND READING SB-2Ot5 SECOND READING 5:-20:7 SECGNO READING 53-20:8 SECORD READING 56-2019 SECOND READING S$-2020 SECOND READING SB-2021 SECOND READING 53-2022 SECOND READING :3-2023 SECOND READING :8-202* GECOND READING 56-2025 SEEOND READING 58-2026 SECOND READING SB-202T SEEOND READING 51.-2028 SECOND READING 53-2029 3EC0N0 READING 53-2030 SECOND READING 50-2031 SECONO READING 58-2032 SECUND READING 38-2033 SECOND READING 5:-203* SEZONO READING 58-2035 SECOND READING 58-2036 SECOND READING 50-2037 SECOND READING 5/-2G39 THIRD READING 3w-2045 SECORD READING SB-20#9 THIRD READING 58-2053 THIRO READING 5.,-205T THIRD READING 53-2062 3EfONû READING 5:-2:68 THIRD READING 5:-2094 SECOND READING :3-2098 THIRD READING 53-2:05 THIRD READING S3-2111 THIRD READING 58-21:9 SECOND READING 53-2125 SECOND REAOING 53-2127 THIRD READING SB-2128 THIRD READING 5:-2152 SECOND READING 53-2161 THIRD REZDING V .. = I REPDRTITIFL1 PAGE: 00: MY STATE0F1LLINOIS 8-/rH GENERAL ASSEi4BLY 93/0k/20 1 09 I16 252 ,GENAT: DAILY TRANSCMIPT 10% OF DEBATE IhIDEX HAY 20 v 1992 Sa-2:62 'rHlRD READjNG PAGE 22I SB-2l6& THIRD READING PAGE 228 :1$-2:76 T'HIRD READING PAGE 228 $3t;- 2l7 1 SEECOND REA9 ING . PAGE T9 3il- 217 B SECGND REAO ING PAGE 8t ,SJ ,-.2181 SEC0d M:) READ ING PAGE 83 58-21.82 THtRD REAI JIRG PAGE 22e i ,58-2t90 ' rHIRD READING PAGE 228 83-2:91 THIRb READIiQG PAGE 228 ! s5-2192 I-IdIRD READING PAGE 22 8 .58-2204 . THIRD READfNG PAGE 22 8 5.1-2205 rHIRt) READING PAGE 228 S3-22tt SK t)ND READ 1NG PAGE 3: sB-2215 SEIIOND READ1NG PAGE 2l8 50-2225 SECOND REAûING PAGE 35 3:-2229 THIRD READING PAGE 22' 53-2233 THIRD READING PAGE 228 SR- :287 RESOLUTION OFFERED PAGE 5 3R-1288 RESOLUTION DFFERED PAGE 5 SR- 1289 RESOLUTION OFFERED PAGE 5 SR- :290 RESOLUTION OFFEREO PAGE 6 SR-l29t RESOLUTION OFFERED PAGE 230 SR- 1292 RESOLUTIOIj OFFERED PAGE 23O SUBJECT FIATTER SERATE T0 OROER - PRESIDENT ROCK PAGE 1 PRAYER - THE REVEREN; GLENN VANOERKLOOT PAGE l JOUMNALS - POSTPONED PAGE 1 'IESSAGES FR0l1 THE HOUSE I PAGE 1 RECESS PAGE 6 : I SENATE RECONVFN E. S PAGE 6 i h16SSAGES FROFI THE H0USE PAGE 6 REXARIQS E$Y 9EC,I. RAT 'L. COh1r4. CHA1R itoN BIl0HN PAGE 14.6 ADJOURNMERT PAGE 230 I ! k i I i i