Illinois Senate Floor Debate — May 19, 1993

The hour of nine having arrived, the Senate will please come to order. Will the Members please rise, and our friends in the gallery please rise, for the prayer? The prayer today is by Doctor Estrop, American Baptist Church, Springfield, Illinois.

(Prayer by Doctor Estrop)

Readlng and approval of the Journal.

Senate Journal of Wednesday, May 12# 1993.

Senator Butler.

Mr. President, I move that the Journal just read by the Secretary be approved, unless some Senator has additions or corrections to offer.

Senator Butler moves to approve the Journal just read. There being no objections, so ordered. Senator Butler.

Mr. President, move that reading and approval of the Journals of Thursday, May 13th7 May Friday, May 14th: Monday, May 17th; and Tuesday, May 18th, in the year 1993, be postponed, pending arrival of the printed Journals.

Senator Butler moves to postpone the reading and the approval of the Journals, pending the arrival of the printed transcript. There being no objectionr so ordered. Messages from the House.

A Message from the House by Mr. Rossi, Clerk. President am directed to inform the Senate that  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day May l9, 1993 the House of Representatives has concurred with the Senate ln the passage of a bill of the following title, to wit: Senate Bill 1076, together with the following amendment, whlch is attached, and in the adoption of which I am -- am instructed to ask the concurrence of the Senate, to Wit: House Amendment No. 1. We have a like Messaqe on Senate Bill 533, With House Amendment 80th passed the House, as amendedy May 18, 1993. Message from the House by Mr. Rossir Clerk. Mr. President am directed to inform the Senate that the House of Representatives has adopted the following joint resolution, in the adoption of whlch I am instructed to ask the concurrence of the Senate, to Wit: House Joint Resolution 40. Adopted by the House, May 18, 1993. It's congratulatory.

Consent Calendar. Resolutions.

Senate Resolutions 468, 469, 470, 471 and 472, a1l offered by Senator Jacobs. And Senate Resolutions 473, 474, 475 and 476, a1l offered by Senator Ralph Dunn. They're al1 congratulatoryr Mr. President.

Consent Calendar. We're going to go to House Bills 2nd Reading. The bottom of page l0. Yeah, we 're going to skip appropriations. We will do approps tomorrow. House Bill 203. Senator Weaver. Senator Weaver. Take it out of the record. House Bill 1300. Senator Mccracken. Senator Mccracken. Take out of the record. House Bill 1313. Senator Mccracken. Oh, here comes Senator Weaver. We've got 203, Senator Weaver. Would you 2  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Leglslative Day MaY 1993 like to -- a11 right. 0ut of the record. ...lmachine cutoffl... of page 12. House Bill 1854. Senator Madigan. Read the bill, Mr. Secretary.

House Bill 1854. (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Reading of the bill. No ccmmittee or Floor amendmentsr Mr. President.

3rd Reading. House Bill 2152. Senator Farley. Senator Earley. Take out of the record. House Bill 2262. Senator Mccracken. Take it out of the record . House Bill 2272. Senator Mccracken. Take out of the record. We 're now going to go to 3rd Readings, and remlnd the Members, this Will be the fifth time we're going through 3rd Readings, and lf we don't get them -- get through them , we probably won't do them a sixth or seventh time. So if you've got anything on 3rd Reading, I certainly would -- would seriously think about calllng it.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate, We're ready to start on 3rd Reading. The bottom of page 3 in your Calendar. Mr. Secretary... Senator Hasara? Mr. Secretary, Would you read the bill. House Bill 45.

House Bill 45. (Secretary reads title of bill) 3rd Reading of the bill.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Hasara.

Thank you, Madam President. As amended, House Bill 45 is in the same form as Senate Bill 258 that we debated. Believe the  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day May l9, 1993 bill's noncontroversial. It requires the court to use DNA Eesting, whieh is so much more accurate, in determining paternity for child support cases. I would ask for a favorable vote .

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Any further discussion? Any further discussion? Hearing none, Senator Hasara, to close.

just ask for a favorable vote. We've discussed the issue prevlously. Thank ycu.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) The questicn is, shall House Bill 45 pass. These in favor will vote Aye. Those opposed Will vote Nay. The voting is open. Have al1 voted who wished? Have all voted who Wished? Have all voted who Wish? Take the record, Secretary. On that question, there are 57 Ayes, none votin: No, none voting Present. And this btll, having received the required constitutlonal majority, is declared passed. House Bill 132. Mr. Watson? Senator Watson? Out of the record. Senate -- or rather House Bill 176. Senator Dudycz, do you wish this bill returned to 2nd Reading for purpose of an amendment? Senator Dudycz seeks leave for the Body to return House Bill 176 to the Order of 2nd Reading for the purpose of an amendment. Hearing no objectionr leave is granted . On the Order of 2nd Reading is Senate -- is House Bill, rather, 176. House Bill 176. Mr. Secretaryr are there any Floor amendments approved for consideration?

Amendment No. cffered by Senator Jacobs.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Jacobs, to explain that amendment. Senator Jacobs.

Thank you. knew had one around here somewhere. Thank you. This this amendment just grants hiring preferences to certain 4  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day May l9y 1993 veterans in regards to civil service examinations. It allows for veterans to be granted preference on entrance examinations by the awarding of polnts for certain meeting certain military criteria. I know of no known opposltion, and ask for its support.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) A1l right. Any discussion? Hearing none, a11 those in favor, please signify by saying Aye. Al1 opposedr Nay. The Ayes have it. The amendment is adopted. Any further Floor amendments approved for consideration?

Floor Amendment No. 6, offered by Senator Watson <sic>.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Watson. Senator Dudycz, are you going to handle this amendnent for Senator Watson?

6?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Is that Senate Amendment 6, Mr. Secretary?

Anendment No. I'm sorry.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Sorry. Senate Amendment

Okay.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Dudycz.

Yes. Thank you, Madam President. Amendment No. 7, I believer amends Amendnent No. and it would grant permissive authority to counties to sell, lease, or otherwise dispose of local improvements to any entity that will incorporate such into its existing water or sewage plant operations. It would also allow a 5  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day May l9, 1993 county to sell or lease infrastructure to both a public utiltty or another unit of local government. know of no opposition, and I seek the approval of Amendment No.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Any dlscussion? Hearing none -- oh, I'm sorry. Senator Demuzlo. How did I miss you? I'm sorry .

Senator Dudycz, I see we are authorizing a permit to a county to sell a water line to the Alexander Water District. Is that right?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Dudycz.

I'm sorry, I didn't -- I didn 't hear your question, Senator.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Would you repeat your question, Senator Demuzio?

- - I understand that you are -- what this actually does is allows a county to sell a water line to a water district?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Dudycz.

Well, that's the way I read it, but I would guess -- would guess Senator Woodyard, had he been here -- I think he 's on his way up here. He could better answer your question, Senator.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Demuzlo .

don't have any objections. And since it's in my districtr I just found out about it.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) sure you're grateful. those -- any further 6  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legtslatlve Day May 1993 discussion? A1l those in favor of adopting this amendment, please signify by saying Aye. Aye. Al1 opposed. Hearing no opposition, this amendment is approved -- is hereby approved. Are there any further amendments?

Floor Amendnent No . l0, offered by Senator Watson.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Floor Amendment No. l0# by Senator Watson. Senator Watson.

Yes. Thank you, Madam President. Amendment No. raises the population maximum from fifteen hundred to five thousand for a sanitary district to dlssolve, as lon: as that district does not have outstanding bonds. This is is a request from Shiloh Valley Sanitary District located in St. Clair County. Their conmunity has asked me to introduce this amendment. know of no opposition. Be glad to answer any questions.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Any further discussion? Hearing none, a11 those in favor of this amendment, say Aye. A11 opposed, Nay. The Ayes have it, and the amendment is adopted. Any further Floor amendments approved for consideration, Mr. Secretary?

No further amendments reported, Madam President.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) 3rd Readinq. Senator Jones. The Chair will yield the Podium to Senator Jones. We have some distinguished visitors, understand, from Kenya.

Thank you, Madam President. We are honored today to have With us guests from the Nation of Kenya. They are members of parliament, members of government. They are here in the United Statesr and here in Illinois, to observe our proceedings. They, 7  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day May l9, 1993 at one tlme, had a one-party rule. NoW it is a multi-party government. will give to you the Honorable Kewa . He's the chairman of the delegation that is wlth us today, and he, in turn, will introduce the other members who are our distinguished guests. Mr. Kewa.

(Remarks by Mr. Kewa)

Yes. Thank you very much. And I know I Was talking to some of my colleagues: and they are Senator Shaw -- I know Senator Smith have been to Kenya, and Shaw said he'd been longing to get back home, so maybe we'll Work that out in the not-too-distant future. Thank you.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Welcome, honorable members from the Kenya Governnent. Senator Smith.

Thank you, Madam President, and to al1 of my colleagues here. I cry. I'm happy to see these men and women who are representing Kenya - a beautiful country - that's where Tom Mboya and Kenyata hail from. And the Masl Tribe, the wealthy people ah, the herdsmen, and all of you are just marvelous. We we are happy to have you here in the United States of America, and hope again that someday we can come and visit you again in your wcnderful, wonderful city in the world. Thank you.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Thank you, Senator Smith. Senator Hendon.

Thank you, Madam President. I just wanted to say that 1, too, am honored a great deal to see my people standing there so strong and proud and controlling the country. I'm -- I'm just filled -- my pride -- just bubbling over with pride, and -- and when 8  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day 8aY 1993 Shaw -- When Senator Shaw comes to Kenya you know, I'm his driver when he comes to Springfield - so wedll get in my Cadlllac and drive over there to see you.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-RARIS) Thank you. Senator Hall.

Thank you, Madam President. Since our Minority Leader speaks their language, I thought maybe that Senator Jones might address them . We're waiting for that, Senator Jones.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Well, he -- he has to a little studying first. Senator Earlean Collins is the Assistant Minority Leader, for the Ladies and Gentlemen of Kenya. Senator Smith, Senator Hendon, Senator Hall - youdre requested to come up here for a picture, and Senator Shaw. And Senator Palmer? Come right up, please. Again, welcome to the Illinois Senate. Thank you, Senator Jones. House -- House Bill 184. Senator Peterson, do you wish leave of the Body to return this bill to the Order of 2nd Reading for the purpose of an amendment? Hearing no objection, leave granted. SenaEor Peterson -- Mr. Secretary r read the bill.

Floor Amendment No. 2: offered by Senator Peterson.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Peterson.

Thank you, Madam President and Members of the Senate. Floor Amendment 2 to Senate Bill 184 is an agreed amendment between the major long distance carriers and the ICC. It provides a July 1, 1997 sunset date, and I ask for your support for Amendment 2.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Any discussion on this amendment? Senator Welch.

9  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day Ma# 1993 have a question of the sponsor.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) He says helll yield for questions. Senator Welch.

Senator... Thank you. Senator Peterson, we just rewrote the Telecommunications Act last year. Why is there a need for an amendmentr and could you explain further what the anendment does?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Peterson.

Senator, you probably have read some of the horror stories about people calling from various phones in hotels or pay phones: and they call ten miles away and they get a four-dollar bill. Well, this is to correct that and give the ICC more teeth to govern these smaller companies.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Any further discussion? A11 those in favorr say Aye. opposed . Hearing no opposition, the Ayes have The amendment is adopted. Any further Floor amendments approved for ccnsideratlon, Mr. Secretary?

No further amendments reported, Madam President.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) 3rd Reading. Senate Bill 246. Senator Collins. mean -- I'm sorry . House Bill 246. Senator Collins. Senator Collins? House Bill 2467 Out of the record. House Bill 248. Out of the record. House Bill 282. Senator Watson. Out of the record. House Bill 299. Out of the record. House Bill 317. Senator Karpiel, do you wish the bill returned to 2nd Reading for purpose of -- of an amendment? Senator Karpiel seeks leave of the Body to return House Bill 317 to the Order of 2nd Reading for the purpose of -- of an amendment. Hearing no objection, leave is granted. 10  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislatlve Day 8aY 1993 Senator Karpiel. On the Order of 2nd Reading is House Bill 317. Mr. Secretary, are there any Floor amendments approved for consideration?

Floor Amendment No. 2, offered by Senators O 'Malley and Lauzen.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator O'Malley, on the Floor amendment to House Bill 317. Senator O 'Malley.

Thank you, Madam President and Members of the Senate. Amendment 2 to House Bill 317 amends the Fiscal Note Act to require that fiscal note -- any fiscal note response we have include both direct and indirect inpacts, such as increased revenues from anticipated job creation. It also will require that a methodology be provided to us to explain how the figures were arrived at. I would urge its adoption.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Any further discussion? Hearing none, a1l Ehose in favor, please signify by sayin: Aye. A1l those opposed, Nay. The Ayes have it, and the amendment is adopted. Any further Floor amendments approved for consideration, Mr. Secretary?

Floor Amendment No. offered by Senator Karpiel.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Karpiel, on Floor Amendment 3.

Thank you, Madam President. Amendment 3 allows municlpalities who do not now impose a property tax, to impose a -- .25 percent without referendum.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Any discussion? Hearing none, a11 those in favor by of 11  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day May l9, 1993 this amendmentr please signify by voting Aye. Aye. A11 those opposed. Hearing no opposition, the amendment is adopted. Any further Floor amendments approved for consideration?

Floor Amendment No. 4, offered by Senator Karpiel.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Karpiel.

Amendment No. 4 is the same as a bill that we passed out of here, Senate Bill 185, which chançes the referenda date under the cap legislation from December 31st# 1988 back to October of 1986.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Any -- any discussion? Hearing none, a11 those in favor of adopting this amendment, please signify by saylng Aye. Those opposed, Nay. The Ayes have it, in the opinion of the Chair. Any further Floor -- and the amendment is adopted. Any further Floor amendments?

Floor Amendment No. 7, offered by Senator Karpiel.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Karpiel.

Thank you. Amendment amends the property tax extension limitation to lnsure that taxing districts receive the benefit of the increased assessed valuation when a tax increment financing district is dissolved.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Any discussicn? Hearing none, a1l those in favor of adopting this amendment, please signify by saying Aye. A11 opposed, Nay. The -- in the opinion of the Chair, the Ayes have it, and the amendment is adopted . Any further Floor amendments approved for consideration, Mr. Secretary? 12  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day May l9, 1993

No further amendments reported, Madam -- or, Madam President.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Reading. Senate <sic> Bill 328. Senator Berman. Do you Wish to be -- this bill to be returned .to 2nd Reading? Senator Berman seeks leave of the Body to return House Bill 328 to 2nd Reading. Hearlng no cbjection, leave is granted. On the Order of 2nd Reading is House Bill 328. Mr. Secretary.

Floor Amendment No. offered by Senator Berman.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Berman.

Thank your Madam President. Amendment No. to House Bill 328 does two things: It removes the fifty-dollar fine that was previously in the bill, and it sets forth the requirements that the impounded motor vehicle will be released upon a notarized written consent to the designated person, designated by the vehicle owner. move the adoption of Amendment No. 1.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Is there any further discussion? Hearing none, those in favor, please signify by saying Aye. A11 those opposed, signify by saying Nay. In the opinlon of the Chair, the Ayes have it, and the voting -- the amendment is adopted . Any further Floor amendments approved for consideration, Mr. Secretary?

No further amendments reported, Madam President.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) 3rd Reading. Senate Bi11 -- I'm sorry. House Bill 344. Senator Woodyard? Out of the record. House Bill 377. Senator Lapaille? Out of the record. House Bill 419. Senator DeAngelis? Out the record. House Bill 462. Senator Hasara? Senator 13  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day May l9, 1993 Hasara, do you kish this bill returned to 2nd Reading for purpose of an amendment? Senator Hasara.

Madam President, thought that amendment was adopted yesterday. you could check that.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Mr. Secretaryr would you check that? The Committee approved it yesterday, but it's up today, Senator Hasara. Senator -- Mr. Secretary, would you -- Senator Hasara asks that this -- this bill be taken back to 2nd Reading for the purpose of amendments. Hearing no objeceion, leave granted. On the Order of 2nd Readlng is House Bt1l 462. Mr. Secretary, are there any Floor amendments approved for consideration?

Floor Amendment No. 2: offered by Senators Fawell and Jacobs.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-RARIS) Senator Fawell.

Thank you very much. This is an amendment that has been agreed to by the Municipal League, the county road commissioners and the townships. It would allow access to county, township and munlcipal roads. They're limited in -- in distance, and and only if they are posted. They are -- what we are talking about are trailers that are -- trucks that are sixty-five feet long and a hundred and two inches wide. 1'11 be glad to answer any questions.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Demuzio.

Well, thank you, Madam President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. As understand this amendment, it will allow wider trucks on smaller roads, and under this amendment, on a hundred- 14  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day MaY 1993 and-two-inch eight-and-a-half-feet trucks on*o eleven-foot- wide roads, and allow for seventy-three-thousand-two-hundred-and- eighty-pound trucks to travel with a little more than a foot clearance on either side, and that this amendment has not been endorsed either by the Department of Transportation nor the State Police. Could you -- could you respond to that?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Fawell.

The -- the weight is the same as a1l trucks can -- can carry right now. We did not increase the weight at all. The -- DOT is is neutral on it, and I haven 't heard a word from the State Police, very frankly.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Demuzio.

Well, they may snag you on the way home - to talk to you about it. But let me ask you, the questlon is not the weight; the question is the width. understand that the weight has stayed the same. Can you can you elucidate on -- on why we are allowing wider trucks?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Fawell.

What We're talking about are six inches wider, and it's to allow two pallets to be put in side by side. These are the trucks thae -- that pull ineo -- like Wal-Martr or pull into factories in in -- where we have a group of factories that will load up. For instance, Effingham would -- would probably be gocd -- a good example. When they get their -- their bicycle factory up . Certainly the weight isn't going to be much at But by getting off -- being able to get off of a designated highway five 15  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day May 19, 1993 miles, then they could pick up the bikes and turn around and go right back on the highway.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Could we have a little more order, please? Thank you. Senator Demuzio.

.. . tmicrophone cutoffl...finally, 1et me ask you: The Department of Transportation is already in the process of looking at this reclassification; are we jumping ahead of what they would recommend to us professionally that ought to be done? Aren't we rushing this thing?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Fawell. Senator Fawell.

This has nothing to do with the highways. What We're talking about are -- are township roads, county -- getting off of the -- off of the designated highways. -- if a road commissioner or a municipal -- or a -- municipality or a county doesn 't Want these trucks, they can -- they can be -- they have to be on -- on posted roads.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Demuzio.

Well, I've already gotten a number of telephone calls already from my local governments about this reclassification, and I know that this is the amendment status. I'd like to have someone tell me more about what we are doing here by the time we get to -- to 3rd Reading. It may very Well be -- may very Well may be okay, but I I have had a number of inquiries from my local governmentsy and -- and I'd like to know more about it later.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Thank you. Senator Topinkar for further dlscussion? 16  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day May l9, 1993

Yes. Madam President, first a statement, and I guess, leading into a question to the sponsor. In a meeting that I was a co-chair with -- With Congressman Lipinski on, involving roads in our district -- our mutual dlstricts, about a Week ago, this subject first came up, and most of our municipalities were totally unaware of this particular provision. gave out what apparently was the white paper from IDOT on this. Their initial reaction was one of -- of confusion and not knowing, but concern that wider trucks would be on our streets, which are already overloaded and quite congested. As a resulty my question to you is: Do you know officially where the West Central Municipal Conference and Dupaçe Mayors and Managers are on this issue?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Fawell.

Any municipality that Wants to can -- can -- is allowed to post their roads, and if they don't Want these trucks they don't - - they don't have them .

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator...

These trucks, you know -- there's -- there 's going to be very, very few companies, very frankly, that are going to go into this kind of -- length of truck. It's going to be your interstate highways. The problem is right now that Arkansasy Missouri, Indiana, Wisconsin, Michiganr Iowa a11 allow these trucks, and we are -- we are really interfering, and -- and frankly, it's -- it's an economic step that should be taken so that our companies can benefit, instead of having to break their loads down.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Topinka. 17  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day May 1993

Well, I appreciate that comment, Senator Fawell. also appreciate your fondness for trucking companies, but you did not answer my question, which is just a yes or no question. And that ls: . Where do the West Central Municipal Conference, Which represents at least thirty-seven communitiesr and Dupage Mayors and Managers, which probably has at least half that number or better -- where are they on this issue?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Fawell.

believe they are part of the Municipal League, and the Municipal League is on board. We have been working hand in glove wlth them, and -- and the Municipal League is in favor of the bill.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Topinka.

Our municipalities oftentimes find differences of opinion with the Illinois Municipal League . Would again pose my question, and if you don't know, ''I don't know'' is a fair answer. What is the position of the West Central Municipal Conference and the Dupage Mayors and Managers Association?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Fawell.

don't know . The Dupage Mayors and Managers are here every day. I spoke to them yesterday, and there was no objection. I'm sure, very franklyy if the Dupage Mayors and Managers Were against Ehis, I certainly would be told.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator O 'Daniel, for further discussion. 18  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day May 1993

Thank you , Madam President. rise in support of this amendment. It's an agreed amendment with local governments and the trucking lndustry to allow these trucks to -- to reach their destlnation. Local governments still have authorlty to ban them if they feel the roads are -- aren't capable of -- of handling that klnd of load. But if we're going to allow these these large trucks to travel on the interstates and all, they have to reach their destination they 're going to service industry, and - - and this is agreed with a11 local governments and with everyone concerned, it seems like. So I would speak in support of this.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-RARIS) Thank you. Senator Peterson, for further discussion.

Thank you, Madam President. Will the sponsor yield?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-MARIS) She indicates that she Will.

Senator, in the beginning -- your remarks, you mentioned the tcwnshlp officials and the county highway superintendents. Do these people support this amendment?

PRESTDING OFFTCER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Fawell.

We have been -- we have been -- wedve had several meetings; that is# the Municipal League, the -- the county road commissioners, the township people, and and the truckersy and this is an agreed bill.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Peterson.

So what you're saying is, they do support the amendment? 19  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day May 19r 1993

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Fawell.

That's What I've been told. Yes.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Further discussion? Senator Klemm.

Thank you, Madam President. There Was a great deal of discussion in committee on thls amendment -- orr actually on this bill. And it was held in committee until a11 the problems could be resolved between the Municipal League, the county engineers, the county associations and the township association, and so they met for several couple weeks, guess it was, with Senator Fawell and Senator Hasara and others, of trying to resolve the problem . This Was what they came up withr and I -- as I understand it, all parties now agree that this is a compromise that can be worked. allows our trucking industry and industry to move through Illinois Without being destructive of our local streets and highways, and I think was a good compromise. We even -- al1 Members even commended the -- a11 the partles of agreeinç to sittlng down and working it out. So I think we've answered a11 the questions we can, and I do ask for your support.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Further discussion? Senator Hasara .

Thank you, Madam President. think most of the previous speakers have made some very good points about the fact that everyone worked on this. It has been agreed with everyone. I would just like to add one thing to make it a little bit more practical for all of you. This is a pro-business bill. That's really what it's a11 about. We are told that we are having difficulty in Illinois being able to compete, because longer and 20  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day May 19, 1993 wider trucks can have access to any road in any other state. Let ne just give you one example that has been brought to my attention. You have someone who's building a house off of a local road. The lumber may come from another state. In any other state there's no problem unloading the lumber to build that house. They get to Illinois, they have to stop at a certain place, unload that lumber and load it onto a more narrow truck. In reality, not only is this terribly inconvenlent, but it's really raising the price of a house that this person is building on a local road. That's the reason that the trucking industry first came in on this bill. It was held so that we could meet, and I give Senator Fawell a lot of credit. We negotiated with a1l of the parties. think they al1 agree that we need to do something to make our business climate more campetitive in Illinois with other states. We did not increase the rate, at the request of some of the local road people, but we did do what this amendment saysg which, think, is a veryy very good compromise, and I would ask for a favorable vote on the amendnent.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Topinka, for a second time.

Yes. Please excuse me -- please excuse me for speaking a second time, but with -- with a1l due respect, Madam Chairman, I'd like to request a roll call on this amendment.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Youlre -- you dre in order. A1l right. Those in favor of this amendment will vate Aye. Those opposed Will vote Nayr and the voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have al1 voted who wish? Have all voted Who Wish? Take the record. There are 36 Yeas, Nays, 3 voting Present, and this amendment is adopted. Any further Floor amendments?

21  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day 8aY 1993 No further amendments reported, Madam President.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) 3rd Reading. House Bill 494. Senator Raica. Mr. Secretary.

House Bill 494. (Secretary reads title of bill) 3rd Reading of the bill.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Raica.

Thank you, Madam President. The -- House Bill 494 was brought to us by the Associated Fire Fighters of Illinois. What it basically says is that it amends the State Fire Marshal Act to direct the State Fire Marshal to adopt standards for operatlon of private for-profit fire fighting units. This does exclude ambulance services and volunteer forces. A11 the Illinois State fire fighters want is they want to make sure that for-profit fire fighters or fire fighting groups are certified by the State so that they can more adequately service the public. Yesterday this Body adopted Floor Amendment No . 1, which was sponsored by Senator Dudycz at the request of the Chicago Police sergeants, lieutenants and captains. And what Floor Amendment No. 1 did, it permits the City of Chicago ranks of sergeant, lieutenant and captain to unionize. They are nct exempt rank; they are promoted rank. And we adopted that in the General Assembly yesterday, and I would just ask for your consideration. Thank you.

PRESIDING OFEICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Any further discussion? Any further discussion? Hearing none, Senator Raica, tc close.

Madam President, just ask for a affirmative roll call. Thank you. 22  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day MaY 1993

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) The question is, shall House Bill 494 pass. Those in favor will vote Aye. Those opposed wl1l vote Nay. The voting is open. Have a11 voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Take the record . On that question, there are 54 Yeas, none voting Nay, 2 votin: Present, and this bill, having received the required constitutional majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 508. Senator Sieben. Out of the record? Out of the record. House Bill 564. Senator Cronin: do you wish this bill returned to 2nd Reading for purpose of an amendment? Senator Cronin -- seeks leave of the Body to return House Bill 564 to the Order of 2nd Reading for the purpose of an -- of an amendment. And hearing no objection, leave is granted. On the Order of 2nd Reading is House Bill 564. Mr. Secretary, are there any Floor amendments approved for consideration?

Floor Amendment No. offered by Senator Cronin.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Cronin.

Thank you very much, Madam President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. Senate Amendment No . 1, which happens to be the contents of House Bill 565 -- this amendment calls on various State agencies who provide services to the mentally ill, to enter into agreements with the Department of Mental Hea1th and Developmentally Disabled <sic> by June 30th, 1994, which makes DMHDD responsible for the coordination of a11 services to persons With mental illness. This amendment also adds a provision which establishes a medical advisory panel appointed by DMHDD. The amendment also allows DMHDD to assist with the transfer of patients in State-operated facilities in community settings. ask for its adoption. 23  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day May 19r 1993 PRESTDING OFFICER) (SENATOR GEO-MARIS) Any discussion? Any discussion? A1l those in favor, say Aye. A11 opposede Nay. The Ayes have it, and the amendment is adopted. Any further Floor amendments approved for consideration, Mr. Secretary?

No further amendments reported, Madam President.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) 3rd Reading. House Bill 609. Senator Madigan. Mr. Secretary, will you read the bill?

House Bill 609. (Secretary reads title of bill) 3rd Reading of the bill.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Madigan.

Thank you, Madam President. House Bill 609 cones to the General Assembly at the request of the community of East Peoria. And first of all, I guess I should give a little background on this. East Peoria is a community across the river from the City of Peoria, and they redeveloped and rebuilt their dokntown several years ago with TIF bonds, and incurred several million dollars in debt obligations as a result of that TIF issuance. These bonds are backed up by General Obligation backup. So East Peoria comes to us with the request that they be allowed to impose a one-percent sales tax, similar to the home rule conmunities - East Peoria is thirty-five hundred population below the twenty-five thousand population - to -- in order to retire these TIF bonds. Now, East Peoria would not be coming to us but -- Were it not for the TIF cap açreement that We passed here in the General Assembly last Session, eapping those amounts at twelve million dollars. 24  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day May 19, 1993 East Peoria, if the TIE formula were in place, would be receiving approximately l.9 million dollars in that tax increment financing district. Currently, they will be receiving approximately three hundred thousand dollars. So While some may argue that this is a tax increase, would submit to the Body that this is an alternative tax increase. Because the way the situation is in the community of East Peorla, if they are not allowed to do something of this nature, they have the property tax increase in place already by levy, which is annually abated by the TIF funding that they receive, and they will be forced to increase their property taxes because of the bonding, and cause great hardship upon the property owners in the City of East Peoria. This measure is backed by the community of East Peoria, is backed by the State -- or, not the State Chamberr but by the East Peoria Chamber of Commerce, and by the school district in East Peoria. I'd be glad to answer any questlons in regards to House Bill 609.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Any discussion? Senator Butler.

Thank you. Will the sponsor yieldy please?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) He indicates he will.

Thank you. I notice, Senator, that: unlike home rule units of government, this would qualify East Peorla to impose tax on food and drugs in addition to general merchandise. don 't know the extent to which we establish precedent with something like thls, but what we're doing here, it seems to me, is giving them greater authority than we even give home rule units of government. And guess my question isr maybe not to you, but to al1 of us: To what extent is this precedent-setting?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) 25  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Leqislative Day May l9, 1993 Senator Madigan.

Thank your Madam President. Senator Butler, it is nct the lntent of this legislation to pass any tax or any additional tax that would not be able to be imposed by a home rule community. Currently, a11 municlpallties can levy a tax for food and drugs - a one-percent tax on focd and -- and drugs. And the intent of this legislatlon is not to increase that; it also exempts titled - - sale of personal property that would be titled by the State of Illinois, in addition to that, but has no intent there. If there are some problems in that regard, and if the -- if there is clean-up language that Would either be handled by an amendatory veto or something in the fallr any of those technical problems in regards to that bill, I would certainly ask the Body to support my efforts in correctinç any misunderstanding in regards to the lntent of this legislation.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Any further dlscussion? Senator Shadid.

Yes. I would like to remind my colleagues that if the State of Illlnols would have llved up to its obligations, then East Peoria would not be in the bind that they're in. And I'd like to ask them to support this.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Any -- any further discussion? Senator O 'Daniel.

Thank you, Madam Presldent. I rise in support of this legislation. 1'11 tell you why. You know : a few years ago we encouraged communities to establlsh TIF districts and they took us at our word and they made commitments and -- and issued bonds and things, and then we pulled the funds away from them. You know, think if we continue to be irresponsible, there's no way State 26  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day May l9, 1993 Government can survive. We can 't continue to make commitments to local governments, then turn around and renege on themr and this is the reason had -- and the City of Effingham did the same thing. They formed a TIF district; they made commitments, then the State reneged on So it left them hanging out too. I think this is a good piece of legislatlon. It's something that We shauld pass.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Further discussion? Senator Syverson.

think there are -- there are a 1ot of things the State's not living up to, and I hate to -- I hate to start passing legislation every tlme the State doesn't live up to its obligation. A couple questions: Does this have any kind of I know it doesn't have a front door, does it have a backdoor referendum built in?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Madigan. Can we have a little more attentlon? This is very important bill for the Senator.

Thank you, Madam President. It is my understandlng that this is not a true backdoor, that it is my understanding that they can go ahead and impcse the tax, and then the people can get rid of it - within one year.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Syverson.

guess I don 't understand. Now, what -- What do you mean? After one year they can -- they can -- they can have a referendum after one year, backdoor, and get rid of it?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Madigan.

27  STATE 0F ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day May 1993 Yeah. That's Within one year. should also further clarlfy that the intent - again, we get lnto this area the intent of this legislation is only to have this in place until the bonds -- until those TIF bonds are retlred, so that the property tax can then come onto the rolls which will aid the school districts. The - - what -- the alternative of what happens here is that there is no front-door referendum or there is nothing stopping going to prevent East Peoria from -- from levying the property tax in an amount sufficient or equal to what would be imposed or is necessary to make the bond payments that are specified. This is only to be and ehey lre only proposing this to be - an alternative to the property tax. So...

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Syverson? Any further discussion? Any further discussion? Senator Lapaille. SENATOR LaPAILLE: Yes. Madam Presidentr rise tn support of this legislation sponsored by Senator Madigan and Senator Shadid. This is an approach that a local government is attempting to correct the problem themselves. They're not here knocklng on our doorr saying ''We want State funds'' et cetera, to help. They're saying ''We want to do lt on our ownl', and I think that's commendable, and think this bill should pass.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Any further discussion? Any further discussion? Hearing none, Senator Madigan, to close.

Thank you, Madam President. I think that's what Senator Lapaille just said pretty well capsulizes this. We have done -- we have capped -- the General Assembly and the State has capped the TIF obligations at twelve million dollars. They want to -- they've got this outstanding debt obligation; they don't want to 28  STATE 0F ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day May l9r 1993 raise the property taxes on their citizens. They want to solve the problem themselves. They took a dilapidated downtown area, built it into a beautiful downtown area, and now they have to pay - - pay it off, and they said, ''Let's -- let us do it with a sales tax like our neighbor across the river does, and 1et us not -- ar give us an alternative to raising the property taxes upon our businesses and citizens.'' And I would ask for a favorable roll call.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) The question is, shall House Bill 609 pass. Those in favor will vote Aye. Those opposed will vote Nay. The voting is open. Have all voted who wished? Have a11 voted who wished? Have voted who wish? Take the record, Mr. Secretary. On that question, there are 44 Yeasr 13 Nays, voting Present. And this bill, having received the required constitutional majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 611. Senator Peterson, do you wish this bill returned to 2nd Reading? Out of the record. House Bill 641. Senator Hendon. Mr. Secretary, read the bill.

House Bill 641. (Secretary reads title of bill) 3rd Readin: of the bill.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Hendon.

Thank you, Madam President. This bill, House Bill 641, Would help create jobs in Illinois. It Was anended, as requested by the Republican Members of the Committee, and I ask for a favorable roll call.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Any discussion? Any discussion? Hearing none, Senator Hendon, to close. 29  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day May l9, 1993

I just would appreciate a favorable roll call.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) On this question -- the question is: shall House Bill 64l pass. Those in favor will vote Aye. Those opposed Will vote Nay. The voting is open. Have a11 voted who wished? Have a1l voted who wished? Have all voted who wished? Take the record, Mr. Secretary. On this question, there are 57 Ayes, no Naysr no -- no one votin: Presenty and this blll, having received the required constitutional majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 701. Out of the record . Out of the record. House Bill 749. Senator Watson? Out of the record. House Bill 766. Out of the record. House Bill 767. Senator Barkhausen. Out of the record. House Bill 770. Senator Donahue. Out of the record . House Bill 819. Senator Mahar? On the Order of 3rd Readlng is House Bill 819. Will you read the bill, Mr. Secretary?

House Bill 819. (Secretary reads title of bill) 3rd Reading of the bill.

PRESIDING OFEICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Mahar.

Thank you, Madam President. The intent of this bill, think, is pretty obvious. It's to prevent individuals, such as Dr. Kevorkian, from doing their evil deeds in the State of Illinois. The bill amends the Criminal Code relating to Inducement to Commit Suicide. The current Statute prohibits coerclng another to commit suicide through the use of psychological pressure or the use of ostensible religious, polltical, social, philosophical or other principles, like satanic cults, Jim Jones, David Koresh, et cetera. House Bill 819 adds a Section to Inducement to Commit 30  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislatlve Day May 19, 1993 Suicide: when a person' with the knowledge that another person intends to commit or attempt to commit suicide, intentionally offers and provides the physical means or participates in a physical act by which another person commits or attempts to commit suicide. The key points here are that the person must offer and provide physlcal means or participate in a physical act. be happy to answer any questions.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Any further discusslon? Senator Stern.

Madam President and Members of the Senate, think this is a very important bill tbat almost came out of the Judiciary Committee on the Agreed Bill Llst, and think it's far too important for us to pass without, at least, extended debate. This is a bill that purports to make a person like Dr. Kevorkian a criminal, a felon. Now, I want to make the point that I think the sponsor did not make, When he says this would prevent Dr. Kevorkian from perpetrating his ''evil deeds'' in Illinois. Ladies and Gentlemen, Dr. Kevorkian does not seek out the individuals whom he assists. Nowr whether you agree with him or not, this is a man who -- whose acts are requested, who is sought out by those who use his services, whose compassionate desire is to end suffering. Now: you may not agree that he should be doing this, but to make -- to make the assistance of someone who is in terminal and intractable pain -- to assist someone like that to die at their own request, is not, in my view, a felony. And I thlnk we should not make a felony. Yes, perhaps we should be passing some kind of regulatory legislation, but this is not the correct way to go, to make this kind of assistance a criminal act. ask you to at least think seriously about this: How you would feel a loved one of yours never drew a pain-free breath, suffered ceaselessly, cried out for your assistance, and there was 31  STATE 0F ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day May l9, 1993 no way to help. Think about this before you cast an Aye vote. think we should pause before we pass this bill.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Any further discussion? Senator Fawell.

Thank you -- thank you very much. -- I have some very mlxed feelings about this bill. Obviously, I I certainly don't like this ''Dr. Death'' idea, and I -- I think the man is -- is certainly not doing what a lot of us feel ls -- is right. But I do remember a case that -- that my former husband had, as -- as judge, where a man was married to a woman for about sixty years. They were both in their elghties. And she had terminal cancer and was very, very ill, could not get out of bed, Was in tremendous pain. Al1 the testimony that came back said that he -- he deeply loved her. He - - he was -- it was one of those marriages that, guess, were made in heaven. But she begged him to assist her to die. There was no hope for the Woman. She was in pain. She had the kind of cancer that, very frankly, the doctors could do nothing to alleviate that kind of pain, and eventually that's exactly What the husband did: he assisted her to dle. When he came into court, he was a very broken man. He he sobbed constantly. Bottom line was, you know, our State 's attorney had the duty to bring him to court. And -- and he did go through the trial, and he was placed on probation. And I'm not sure that there are exceptions in this bill that would allow any discretion of the courts when they have these cases, and unfortunately, they do exist and are existing more and more. And so I'm going to ask the sponsor, are there -- is there anything in this bill that would allow judges, or juries and judges, to have this discretion, to have this compassion when these kinds of things do happen?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Mahar, to answer Senator Fawell. 32  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day May 19, 1993

Thank you, Madam President. It's my understanding that the prosecutors Would have the discretion whether or not to charge the person, in any event.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Fawell.

My understanding is, they dc not. A crime was committed.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Mahar? Senator Fawell?

What he did was he assisted her in slashing her wrists. He held the blade and helped her slash her wrists, because she could not hold the blade herself. So he -- he did it. My...

PREMIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator...

And my understandlng is, the prosecutor felt her in -- in that instance, had to -- had to prosecute.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Mahar.

Well, the only thing I can respond to that, Madam President, is the fact that the individual offers and provides the physical means or provides -- or participates in the physical act, then under this 1aW -- under thls amendment to the Statute, they Would be guilty of this crime.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Topinka, for further discussion?

Yes, Madam President and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. First of all, I Would point out that the House vote on this was 33  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day May l9, 1993 65-33-8. So r it kind of beginsy I think, to call atkention to the fact that there are serious concerns with this bill, and certainly a mixed bag of public opinion on whether it is needed at this time and whether is too vast in its scope and whether or not it goes far and away beyond anything which we in this Legislature have really, seriously thouçht about, or considered, or weighed, or carefully thought out. My concern would be that there are various groups for instance, like the Hemlock Society - that exist at present that put out publications that indeed do list Ways that people can end their cwn lives. Now, whether we agree with that or not is up to every individual here. The point is, it does exist as a book. It does exist not only as a book, but it was on the best seller lists for mcnths in the New York Times listing of such books when -- when these things Were published about two or three years agc. Wedve had individual offers -- authors do much the same thinq. My concern is: is just by virtue of one having written such a book, published such a book, having bought such a book or transferrlng that booky either through lending or purchase, to somebody else, indeed would that not create felons of any of -- of us who participated in that? I think this goes far and away beyond what it intends to do. think it's a rather rash, shootlng-from-the-hip reaction to headlines in newspapers, possibly to what Michigan did, but Michigan has Dr. Kevorkian there running around loose . They maybe have a more pressing need . I don't know that their bill was necessarily al1 that well-thought-out either. If nothing else, the issue is worthy of discussionr and maybe this bill is just premature and might be more worthy of a time for reflection, a time for study, and a time to bring legislators, and clerics, and ethicists, and physicians, and a11 others together to come up with a -- a decent, viable solution, rather this approach. I would encourage a No vote.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) 34  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day May l9, 1993 Further discussion? Senator Cronin. Further discussion? Senator Cronin.

Thank you very much, Madam President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. First of allr in response to the previous speakerr this b111 does not apply to situations of the Hemlock Soclety, does not apply to books that are written, such as The Final Act. The language of the bill is very clear, think. rise in support of this legislation. And this -- this issue has been debated and discussed now for two years down here in the Legislature. This language talks about knowledge, intentr offering. providing the means, participating. You're focusing on active conduct here. I Would urge the Members of the Body to consider the abuse that may occur, that is occurring y if We don't at least provide some tool - a discretionary tool to prosecutors. Consider the -- the society as we get older. The old, the depressed, the discouraged, the people that are downtrodden, who look for an easy way out. really tbink that we have a responsibility, as leaders in societyr to at least give some sort of discretionary tool to prosecutors. The bill is -- the language of the bill is narrowly drafted. I think it's incredible Ehat there's this much hesitation about -- about this legislation, and I would -- I urge an Aye vote.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-RARIS) Further discussion? Senator Hasara.

Thank you, Madam President. I think it's pretty sad that wedre even having to have this much debate on this issue. This really is a very serious billy believe. It brings up a 1ot of the problems that we're having in society as -- as our populakion ages and as we live longer. We have tried to address this issue in previous Sessions. Wedve created legislation for living wills. 35  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day May 1993 and most of us have done everything that we could do to encourage people to execute a living will and a durable power of attorney so that their lives do not drag on unnecessarily. That's something that we can all do to alleviate the necessity: I believe, for a b1l1 such as this. A couple of years ago we even gave the court discretion in withdrawal of food and water, under certain conditions - a bill which I happened to oppose, but it did become law. And many, many people in our State thought that that was also a way to alleviate some of the pain and suffering of our elder community. We al1 know that there are hundreds and thousands of very sad cases where elderly people do suffer and live a long time. But let's look at the other side. I believe Senator Cronin briefly addressed the fact that there is increasing incident of elder abuse in our State. And I can tell you that there is no question that there will be elder abuse if we make it easier than it is now to assist with the suicide of an elderly person. So let's look at this very, very carefully . It is a very personal matter, I know, for many of us, but I think al1 comes down to the fact that we need to regard life as still valuable and precious, no matter what the age of the individual or the inflrmity. We have done some things to try to make these decisions easier, by creating living wills and by giving the courts more discretion in the withdrawal of food and water. But, certainlyr this will lead to abuse of assisted suicides of our elderly people. I would ask for a Yes vote on this bill.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Further discussion? Senator Welch. SENATOR WELCH; Well, thank you, Madam President. This is a very difficult bill. Those of us who have relatives in a terminal condition know how painful it is to see them suffer. I think this is a good area where we should do nothing. There's no need for this bill. We 36  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day May 19, 1993 don't have a Dr. Kevorkian in Illinois. There's no reason to pass legislation to take care of perceived problems. Once again, wedre passing legislation based on the ideal world, not on What is reality. You know, in an ideal World, thls is a great bill; in the real worldr doesn't meke a 1ot of sense. We don't need more legislation in this area. I think we should just defeat and let thinqs stay the way they are.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Any further discussion? Any further discussion? Hearing none, the sponsor, Senator Mahar, to close.

Well, thank you: Madam President and colleagues. Couple of very quick points. First of all, in the severest of instances, this is a Class 4 felony, which does allow the judge to to issue a probation to someone who is found çuilty. Alsoy this flies in the face of what we've been trying to do in Illinois for years, a11 of us ln our own districtsy in combating the -- the issue of teen suicide, which has become the third leading cause of death among adolescents. And certainly we don't encourage that in the young, and we shouldn 't encourage that amongst any age group. And it's -- certainly encouraging or aiding despondent persons to self-destruct is not a measure, would suggest, of a civilized society. Would this prevent Dr. Kevorkian from coming to Illinois? Yes, it wculd. Would he come anyways? Quote: ''If the patient needs and it's legal, come there; it's illegal, I won't'', Dr. Kevorkian. think this is a move in the right direction, and I would ask for your Aye vote.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) The question is: shall House Bill 8l9 pass. Those in favor will vote Aye. Those opposed Will vote Nay. And the votinç is open. Have a11 voted who wished? Have a1l voted Who wished? Have al1 voted who Wished? Take the record, Madam Secretary. On 37  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day May 19, 1993 that question, there are 38 Xeas, 12 Nays, 5 votin: Present. And this bill, having received the the required eonstitutional majority, is hereby declared passed. Senate qsic> Bill 837. Senator Hasara? Out of the record. Senate Ksic> Bill 935. Senator Topinka? Out . of the record. Senate Ksic> Bill 967. Senator Lapaille? Senator Lapaille? 967. Madam Secretary, will you read the bill?

House Btll 967. (Secretary reads title of bill) 3rd Reading of the bill.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-RARIS) Senator Lapaille. SENATOR LaPAILLE : Thank you, Madam President. This bill came out of the Senate Judiciary Committee on the Agreed List. What tt would do, it would prohibit any person who has been convicted of a felony in this State, or any other state, from changing his or her name earlier than two years after he or she has completed probation or parole, unless the felon has been pardoned. I would be available for any questions.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-RARIS) Is there any further discussion? Senator Hawkinson.

Thank you, Madam President. Will the sponsor yield for a question?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) He indicates he will.

Just to clarify for the Body, Senatorr something that we -- we did ask and was answered in committee. This would not affect marriage situations. 38  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day May 1993

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Lapaille. SENATOR LaPAILLE: Correct. Correct. PRESIDING OFFICER: .ISENATOR GEO-KARIS) Further discussion? Senator Woodyard? Any further discussion? Any further discussion? Hearing none, Senator Lapaille, to close. SENATOR LaPAILLE: Yes, Madam President, I ask for a favorable roll call.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) The questlon is, shall House Bill 967 pass. Those favor will vote Aye. Those opposed will vote Nay. The voting is open. Have al1 voted Who wished? Have a11 voted Who wished? Have all voted who wish? Take the recordr Madam Secretary. The voting is, 55 Yeasr none voting No, none voting Present. And this bill, having received the required constitutional majority, is hereby declared passed. WCIA and WAND request permission to videotape. Do we have leave for that? Leave is granted. Senator Woodyard, for What purpose do you rise, sir?

Thank -- thank you, Madam President. On a point of personal privilege.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) W111 you state your point, please?

Yes. In the President's Gallery, visiting the Senate today, is a group of ladies and gentlemen from Coles County, employees and volunteers for Sarah Bush Hospital down there, and their chaperon today is a former staffer, Miss Jackie Clapp , and -- so welcome to Springfield .

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) 39  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day MaY 1993 We certainly welcome our visitors to Springfield. Let us greet them . House Bill 979. Out of the record. House Bill 980. Senator Cronin? Madam Secretary, Will you read the bill. Did -- did you wlsh to recall this billr Senator Cronin? Are you ready for 3rd Reading? 3rd Readlng. Senator -- Madam Secretary, Will you read the bill.

House Bill 980. (Secretary reads title of bill) 3rd Reading of the bill.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Cronin.

Thank you, Madam President: Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. House Bill 980 is an agreed bill between the Manaçement Association and the Legal Assistance Foundation. know of no opposition to the bill. Be happy to sanswer any questions. ask for your Aye vote.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Any further discussion? Any further discussion? Hearing none, Senator Cronin, to close.

Yes. As stated that -- this is an agreed bill. It is something that benefits both employers and employees. 1* deals with the wage assignment provisions of the law. talks about exemptions and so on and so forth. 1* -- I'd be happy to: as I said, answer questions. As it is an agreed bill, I ask for your Aye vote.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) The question is, shall House Bill 980 pass. Those in favor kill vote Aye. Those opposed Will vote Nay . The votlng is open. 40  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day May l9, 1993 END OF TAPE TAPE 2

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Have al1 voted who wished? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Take the record, Madam Secretary. The record is 54 Yeas, Nay, voting Present. And this bill, having received the required constitutional majority, is hereby declared passed. Senate Bill 1009. Senator Dunn? I mean, House Bill 1009. Out of the record. House Bill 1029. Senator Lapaille? Out of the record. House Bill 1032. Senator Woodyard? Out of the record. House Bill 1038. Senator Philip? Out of the record. House Bill 1039. Senator Madiçan? Madam Secretary, Will you read the bill?

House Bill 1039. (Secretary reads title of bill) 3rd Reading of the bill.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Madigan.

Thank you -- thank your Madam President. 1039, as amended, does two things. First of all, it increases the penalties for violating the Hunter Interference Prohibition Act, and allows the revoking of hunting, fishing and trapping privileges, license or permits. Purpose of this it raises -- on this aspect of raises the misdeneanor from a Class C to a Class B misdemeanor, and it that portion of the bill is designed to deter persons from interfering with hunters, fishers, and trappers while they 're pursuing their lawful and legal activities. The second portion of the bill - the amendment to the bill that we passed yesterday 41  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day 8aY 1993 has got to do with the problem that has arisen with wild game dinners. Public Hea1th Department has found that they need to be - - found that they needed to be enforcing the Statutes, insofar as the rules and regulations regarding the inspections of game or meat, so to speak. And there have been several charitable wild gane dinners that have been shut down by the Public Hea1th Department. Public Health Department was seeking a way to relieve themselves of the responsibility of doing this, and that is -- the amendment to House Bill 1039 accomplishes that. So that a disclaimer can be placed ln a -- conspicuous locations at Wild game dinners and the Public Health Department can be relieved of this responsibility. I'd be glad to answer any questions on House Bill 1039, as amended.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Any further discussion? Senator Berman.

Sponsor yield, please?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) He indicates he'll yield . Senator Berman.

Our staff indicates that the Department of Conservation knows of no case that was prosecuted under the existing law. Do you know of any?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Berman <sic>.

Senator Berman -- thank you, Madam President. Senator Berman, am -- I am standing here and I'm not aware of any, either.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Berman.

Well, Ladies and Gentlemen, I rise in opposition to the bill. 42  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day Ma# 1993 This -- this calls for a mandatory seven-day jail sentence in the event of a conviction, and there hasn't ever even been any prosecutions under the existing law. I -- really think we're being asked to pass something for which there is no problem. So, - - I really don't think that we ought to be doing this. -- dcn't know why We're being asked to impose a mandatory requlrement, when no one's even been prosecuted under the existing law, which doesn't even have a mandatory 1aw a mandatory sentence. So I rise ln opposition to the bill.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Any further discussion? Senator Woodyard .

Thank you, Madam President. Well, I rise in support of this blll. As a matter of factr Without this amendment on it certainly wedve got -- We're gcing to have problems a11 over the State hosting, or -- or various sporting organizations conducting these wild game dinners. To give you an example, at a board meetingy just this past week, of our Illinois Sportsmen's Caucus, of which many of you on this Floor are members of that caucus. Our intent is to host a Wild game dinner this fall. Well: the hotel at which we're going to have that is not going to serve that dinner without the provisions of this bill. I don 't know how on earth -- yes, this is a real Catch-22 for the Department of Public Hea1th. You tell me hoW you're going to inspect a deer before you kill I don't know how you do that. Or, the same With a turkey, or anything else: How do you inspect that animal before you kill it? And this simply clarifies that.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Berman, for a second time.

Thank you, Madam President, for a second time. Senator Woodyard, I'm not addressing the amendment. And I have no problem 43  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day 8aY 1993 with the amendment. The problem I have is With the bill to which the amendment was added, and I would suggest that we vote the bill down, find another vehicle to put on the provisions regarding the dinners. That's not the part that disturbs me; it's the first . part with a mandatory sentence where we -- where we don't have anybody that's violated the existing law . So lf Senator Madigan wants to address -- and I have no problem With the point you 're making. I just think that the amendment was put on the wronq bill. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Further discussion? Senator Trotter. SENATOR TROTTER: Yes. Will the will the sponsor yield? PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) He indicates he'll yield. SENATOR TROTTER : Yes. Senator Madiganr are you familiar With the Connecticut law that says that this Statute is -- is unconstitutional? PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Madigan. SENATOR MADIGAN: I didn't know -- no, Senator, I didn't know Connecticut law ruled on constituticnality in Illinois. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Trotter. SENATOR TROTTER: . .. tmicrophone cutofflow.law -- it's a federal law, but the case -- similar case had come up in Connecticut which was tried and it Was proven that it was unconstitutional. The case Was Dorman versus Satti, and it was affirmed in the 2nd Circuit Court. And the fact that was unconstitutional and it Was upheld, under Hunters' Harassment Act, which prohibited interference With the 44  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day MaY 1993 lawful taking of Wildlife as an unconstitutionally over-broad prescriptlon of First Amendment rights.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Madigan. Senator Madigan.

Thank -- thank you, Madam President. I have two things here to offer in rebuttal to that, Senator. Number one, we're not dealing with the law; we dre dealing with the penalties on this bill. Number two, we have information over here that there is conflicting -- in other states, there -- that this has been upheld in other states.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Trotter.

And that's exactly the point, Senator. What youdre doing is, you 're penalizing with a seven-day incarceration of a legitimate First Amendment right.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator...

That imprisonment, Senatore I believe in the bill, is for subsequent violations of the Act, not the initial violation.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Trotter.

So, subsequent. So the first time you -- you get a pass, and the second time -- then we're going to take away your rights. Is - - is that what you're saying?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Madigan.

Thank your Madam President. No# we dre not going to take away 45  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day MaY 1993 your rights; we're going to put you in jail.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Any further discussion? Senator Trotter.

Just to the bill: Rlght, they'll put you in jail, which is taking away your First Amendment rlghts, and that is -- again, is unconstitutional. It's been upheld in Connecticut and it surely will be upheld here. There's no reason for us to put something on the books that we know is against -- violation of the Constitution, and I suggest that we all vote No on this issue.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Further discussion? Senator Thomas Dunn.

Thank you, Madam Presldent. I rise in support of this bill. There has been a problem With some activists who choose to use their First Amendment rights to interfere with the rights the legitimate rights - of -- of hunters. And while I will concede that a seven-day jail sentence a rather severe penalty, it only comes into play when an individual commits the offense twice. We have a 1ot of hunters in our State Who enjoy hunting, and it seems that we have a number of people who are hell-bent to interfere With that right of huntinç. This bill addresses the question. have not read the case that Senator Trotter cites, but I would say to you that when you see language from the ccurt that says a -- a case or a Statute is too broad in its applicationr that may not fit to the narrow definition of interfering with someone that's hunting in this State. I didn't hear Senator Trotter say that this was a case in Illinois or a neighboring state, or that the language in the state law that Was found ta be unconstitutional was identical to -- it is identical? Well then, would say that that federal court wrong.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) 46  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislatlve Day May 1993 Any further discussion?

And Would hope the federal Court of Appeals Would see they're -- see that they were Wrong.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Any further discussion? Any further discussion? Hearing none, Senator Madlgan, to close.

Thank you, Madam President. I think the matter's been pretty well understood and debated here. I would just submit that, again, we're the Illinois General Assembly and we 're not in Connecticut, and hunters and fishers and fishermen and trappers should be allowed to reasonably pursue their lawful activities. And somebody wants to interfere with them r they should go to Connecticut. And I Would ask for a favorable roll call.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) The question is, shall House Bill 1039 pass. Those in favor, vote Aye. Those opposed Will vote Nay. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have a11 voted who wished? Have al1 voted who wish? Madam Secretary, take the record. On that question, there are 41 Yeas, 12 Nays, 2 voting Present, and this bill, having received the required constitutional majority, is hereby declared passed. Senate -- House Bill 1040. Senator Philip? Out of the record. House Bill 1045. Senator Philip? Out of the record. House Bill 1092. Senator Cullerton. Senator Cullerton? Out of the record .

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) House Bill 1102. Senator Cullerton. You Wish the bill called? Take out of the record . House Bill 1125. Senator O'Ma11ey. Read the bill, Madam Secretary.

House Bill 1125. 47  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day 8aY 1993 (Secretary reads title of bill) 3rd Reading of the bill.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator O 'Malley .

Thank you, Mr. President. House Bill 1125, as amended, extends caps or tax limits only to non-home rule units in Cook County. It deletes the prior prior year EAV mandate for Cook County. Contains a number of additional provisions and has an effective date of October 1993. This is a -- a bill that has been widely discussed in the Senate previously .

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Any questions? Any discussion? Senator Demuzio.

Senator O 'Malley, does -- this calls for a statewide advisory referendum on tax caps at the '94 election. Does it do anything else? Does it a11 -- does it go ahead and impose tax caps on a1l the taxing districts noW also?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator O 'Malley.

This is -- it will be an advisory referendum.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator Demuzio.

My question is, is that -- is that a1l that this bill does now? This just simply is an advisory referendum on tax caps in the 1994 election?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator O 'Ma11ey.

No -- no, sir. I -- I thought your question was, did 48  STATE 0F ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day May 1993 fact have a provtsion for a statewide referendum, and my answer to that was that it does. There are other provisions in the bill, including extension of tax limitatlons to Cook County, with the exception of non-hcme rule units.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator Demuzio.

Well, rise in opposition to tax caps. That is a prerogative that ought to be left With the units of local government. Tax caps in downstate counties, if they were to be imposed, even at the rate of a CPI: would be -- would mean tax increases for a1l of our rural communities. think they've done an excellent job in handling their own property tax quarrels, and don't see any need for tax caps, yesterday, today, or tomorrow . I would rlse in oppositlon.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator Stern.

Mr. President and Members of the Senate, I have to assume that almost everyone present has thought out their position on this question. But I Would just like to make the point that school districts in my area - school boards who represent some of the outstanding schools in the nation care very profoundly about maintaining the right to support those schools and maintain their excellence. This is an issue which makes me feel a little like I am cn the wrong side of the aisle. Is not the Republican philosophy that urges us to get government off the back of the -- those who are elected? does it not urge us to permit elected officials to conduct themselves in the way in which those who elected them want them to do? Is it not appropriate for us to say that the people of Bolingbrook or Cairo or Carbondale have elected a school boardr have elected a city council, that they 49  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day May l9, 1993 want those elected individuals to complete the projects that they Were elected to do? We should not, here in Springfield, be second-guessing the village board of Hawthorne. We should not be second-guessing the school board at New Trier and telling them that they may or may not spend monies that the people of that area have asked them to spend. think this is a really wrong premise, and I urge my colleagues on the other side of the aisle, who Want government off the backs of the citlzens of Illinois, to think very carefully about this bill and to vote No.

PRESIDING OEFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator Jacobs.

Thank you, Mr. President and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. You know, see a contradiction here. On one hand, We're saying -- and the people of the State of Illinois had said ''We don 't want any more mandates on local government.'' Now We're going to ask them ''When did you quit beating your wife?'' Because that's a1l that this particular bill really is going to do, is to put out a premise that everyone has got to say yes to. And makes very little sense. It takes away the local control. This is the biggest mandate out there that I've seen yet this year, and have already stated that I'm with the Governor. I've -- I've made my pledge on no more mandates, and the Governor should really follow through on his pledge and say no more mandates, and also be opposed to this. As -- as Senator Welch said earlier, this is not an ideal societyy and in an ideal society, this makes sense. But you do need to have some lccal control; local control is where it should be, and I think that we should vote No on this issue.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator Palmer.

Thank you, Mr. President and Members of the Body. OPPOSe 50  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day MaY 1993 this bill as Well. oppose tax caps. This is, as Senator Jacobs just said, probably one of the largest mandates in a Body that has opposed mandates and been very strident in its opposition. I want to take a different tack, though, to my colleagues on the other side of the aisle. I sit on Revenue -- the Revenue Committee this year, and I'd like to remind you that I have kept a tally of at least five or six bills that have come before us requesting exemptions to the tax caps that were imposed last year this Body. So would suggest to me - and I hope would suggest to you - that this is a piecemeal approach. is not the proper way to do what is rightfully needed, and that is to reform the tax system in this State. But when We do that, We need to accept the fact that we have to have revenues cominç in from somewherer which would suggest reform of both the property taxes and the income tax. And until we 're ready to do that, and to be honest with the people of the State of Illinois, then you are causing needless suffering, as evidenced by the kinds of exemptions that have been requested this Session.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator Cullerton.

Yes. Thank you, Mr. President. I hate to interrupt debate, but I rise on a point of personal privilege.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) State your point.

I'm very happy to introduce, from the Republican side of the gallery, the graduating elass from Mt. Carmel Academy, who's come down here to Springfield to see us in action. So thank you very much for coming down to Springfield.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Will our guests please stand and be recognized? Will our 51  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day 8aY 1993 guests please stand and please recognized? Senator Hall.

Will the sponsor yield to a question?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Sponsor Will.

Senator O'Malley, who wants this?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator O'Malley.

My experience and -- and after walking through my district, found the overwhelming majority of the people in my area, which is completely, for all practical purposes, suburban Cook County, want this bill. This is important to taxpayers. It's important to senior citizens on fixed incomes, who want to make sure they can keep living in their homes.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) think you got a phcne call from scmebody who wants this bill, Senator Hall. Senator Hall.

I see this is offered r and according to our analysis, on behalf of the Management Association. Who ... This is 1125. You take that out? Has it been taken out with an amendment? Well, it's still a bad bill anyway.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Thank you, Senator Hall. You can take your phone call now. Senator Shaw.

Will the sponsor yield?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Sponsor will.

52  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day May l9, 1993 Senator O'Malley, why is downstate an advisory referendum?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator O 'Ma11ey.

Senator Shaw, this is a statewide advisory referendum. .This is not just limited as a referendum question in downstate Illinois. It applies to the entire State. Thanks for clarifying that.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator Shaw.

What are we doing -- would you explain how this affects Cook County this bill?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator O 'Malley.

This bill will extend property tax linits to Cook County, With the exception of non-home rule units. I'm sorry ...

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator Shaw.

How -- could you tell me how this Would impact upon the school districts and park districts in the non-home rule units?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator O'Ma11ey.

Let -- let me clarlfy my previous statement: with the exception of home rule units. So your -- if your question is, will this affect the park district yes; lt Will impose tax limitations on park districts.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator Shaw. 53  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day May l9, 1993

What about school districts?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator O'Ma11ey.

This bill, it becomes law, will extend limits to al1 units of local government in Cook County, With the exception of home rule units.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator Shaw.

Mr. Presidentr in light of there is no relief forthcoming from the State in terms of funding education: lt seems to me that it would -- should be left up to those people that have to -- that have the responsibility of funding that's the taxpayers in terms of making sure their children get an education. And it -- this bill here would cause an undue burden on many of the citizens that live in Cook County, Who send their children to public school. If we had -- if the State was doing its -- filling its responsibility in terms of -- of funding education, funding the various other programs that we have in terms of local government there, certainly this might be a good bill. But most of the schcol board members, or a1l of them that are in my districtr are elected by the people, b0th the school board and the park district, and certainly the people the -- ln those districts have an opportunity to vote those people out of office if they think that they 're doing something wrong. Just back last November, I believe it wasr that we passed a referendum in one of my school districts. The people voted for that referendum. I'm not certain of what the amount of the referendum was, but they voted overwhelmingly for the referendum . I think What youdre doing -- or attempting to do here is to remove that right from 54  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day May l9, 1993 the people to fund education. There is a lot of schools in my district that are on the Watch List now. And as I said earlier: you have not provided any State aid in order to get those schools off of the Watch List, and the only alternative that those schools and those children have .to get an education is through some type of taxes. We know that you can't educate people without some dollars, and what you're saying here is# ''We don't care about the education of the chlldren.'' That's what this bill is sayingr because what you're doing is llmiting -- or attempting to limlt the or put a cap on the taxing authority there. And I think that is wrong. think this is a bad concept for this timer unless the State has made a full commitment in terms of funding educatlon. You know, and I know, and the people all over Illinois know that we have shirked our responsibility in terms of educating the children. Now, What's going to happen when those schools close or will not be able to open - Will not be able to open next year? We have to do something here. And -- well, I think I'm the one that's -- I think I'm the one that have the mike there, Senator O'Malley, and -- in terms of that, and you can answer that in in your debate of the -- of the question here. The -- as one of the previous speakers mentioned the fact that local governments have no way of getting any money . They come to Springfield with their hat in their hand and we don't give them any money, and then now, on the next hand, we Want to turn around and say, ''We11, you're not going to be able to get the money from the local community that you represent.'' I think it's wrong, and I think it 's a bad concept, and it should be defeated.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Thank youy Senator Shaw. Senator O'Malley, you could address that in your closing comments. Senator Butler.

Thank you very much, Mr. President. I'd like to respond to 55  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day 8aY 1993 some of the previous speakers on this. First of all: Senator Hall, who asked ''Who Wants it?'' Last year I made a mailing to my entire district. got five thousand responses. Eighty-slx percent of those people said they wanted tax caps. Eight percent said they -- they did not want themr and the rest had no opinion. So, elghty-six percent of those people, indeed eighty-six percent of five thousand - did want a tax cap . Secondly, I think I made -- I just made a mistake I think We al1 make. This is -- we should not use the word ''caps'' because this does not cap spending. A11 says is there is a limit to which a school district, for example, can go, in -- in raising its spending, before it has to go to the people. And again, what's wrong with going to the people on a referendum? As Senator Shaw said, one of his schools -- school districts approved it. Why not let -- why not let the taxpayers have that kind of a privilege? There is also some concern about whether or not this is a mandate. Welly I can tell you, the difference in this is# when -- when we in the Legislature pass a mandate, there no choice. It's like something coming out of a Hitler edict: You will do this, and you have no choice; you must. In this case, We limit the amount of spending that can go on -- the amount limit the amount of taxes, and then it goes to the people. Again, what is Wrong with giving the people a chance to say yes or no? Yes, we -- you can spend your -- increase spending, or nor you can't speak -- or increase spending . There's nothing wrong with that. It seems to me the purest form of democracy, and we ought to let the people have that opportunity.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) The Chair would request that, since we have so many people that wish to speak, that we keep our comments more relevant and shorter. Senator Klemm. Senator Klemm.

56  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day May 1993 Thank -- thank you, Mr. President. You know , every day I pick up the paper, I'm reading from Washington the Clinton Administratlon coming on with a neW tax: new tax for income taxes, energy taxes, health taxes, taxes on businesses, taxes on everything that moves and doesn't move. You know, .my people are getting pretty tired of it in my district. I don't know lf you people are getting calls as I am. Theylre saying ''For crying out loud, this government still belongs to the people, not just to the spenders or the bureaucrats or anybody else who always needs more money.'' And for once, and I -- I think we have to congratulate Senator O 'Malley, to at least allow us to put this issue before the voters who own this government - who we 're supposed to listen to to find out if, in fact, they Want some curtailment of some of the spending habits that we've seemed to have gotten into . In fact, many people have come up to me and said, ''You know, we should not have even wasted our time making it advisory; we should have made it permanent and saved even more money.'' So I commend the Senator for at least allowing the public - the citizens We represent - to finally maybe say no or how they want to go it. Obviously they're not listening to us in Washington. They're shoving down everything they can find so they can spend more. Maybe this is a good time for Illinois to speak out, and I stand in support of this bill.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator Berman.

Thank you , Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. heard Senator Butler talk about an eighty-five-percent response - - eighty-six-percent response to your survey. I think we'd get the same response - any one of us if we asked that question: ''Do you want your property taxes limited as to the amount that could be extendeda'' That's not the issue, Ladies and Gentlemen. 57  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day May l9, 1993 would suggest to you that the problem with this bill is just one paragraph, and that paragraph says that this is an exception an exemption from the State Mandates Act. What that means is that we want to be the good guys - put a tax cap on the property taxes that lccal government units, including schools and parks and libraries, can assess in Cook County. We want to be thcse heroes, but we are unwilling to address the problems of hoW do you adequately fund schools and parks and libraries. Take out the exemption from the State Mandates Act so that if you've got expenses that have to be met - and we Want to be the good guys we're responsible to provide that revenue from -- taxes that we're willing to levy, because we are precluding locally elected officials from exercisinç their responsibillty in levying their budgets. That's the whole point here. We, the General Assembly, this year, have refused to -- to take the bite of that sour apple to pass a new funding formula, and fund for our schools. We recommitted that bill to -- to Rules. Why? Because we didn't have the guts to fund But here we're saying ''Schools in Cook County, you must limit the size of your increases.'' I will tell you that when this bill was up this amendment was up in committee the other day, there were three witnesses that filed witness slips. They weren 't from Chicago; they weren't from a school district that's got a four-hundred-million-dollar deficit. They were from Niles Township, a township that has one of the highest tax bases in the State of Illinois. It has one of the finest school systems in the State of Illinois. Those people were there to speak against this, because those quality schools the kind of schools that every one of us want in our communities Niles Township High School, a number of the elementary schools that are in Niles Township, are worried that Ehey may not be able to maintain the quality - the high quality - that people move into Niles Township to be able to send their kids to, and they want to 58  STATE 0F ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day May l9, 1993 pay those taxes. That makes quality living. And we, with a11 of our knowledgey are going to say ''No r Niles Township, you can't do that. You've got to compromise the quality of your schools; you've got to compromise the quality of your libraries; you've got to compromise the quality of your parks, so that we can issue our press releases and tell the taxpayers and the senior citizens that we did something for them.'' Well, we're doing this on the backs of children, on the backs of people that want to use the libraries, on the backs of the people who want to have quality parks. That's irresponslble government. I urge a No vote.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) The Chair advises if we could keep our comments shorter. Senator Butler, did you Want to just respond to something he sald? Quickly.

Yes, I do. Senator Berman, I don't see anything in the -- in this bill that says that a local community cannot raise -- cannot ralse its dollars spent -- to be spent on education. The provision in here for a referendum does exactly that. The problem is that the average taxpayer is -- is fed up, and two-thirds of referendums do not pass. Now, is that bad? I meanr here 's the -- here 's the taxpayer, in al1 his ignorance, saying ''I don't want my taxes increased''# and you're saying, ''Boy, that's bad. Who is that dummy who just stands there and just forks out money? Who is he to say that -- that a -- in a referendum that you can't increase spending?'' That's a11 We're saying in here - control spending. And if it's reasonable... What?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Okay. Senator Butler. Okay. Senator Cronin.

Without beating this legislation into the ground, -- I rise in support, enthusiastic support of this bill. And I -- I feel 59  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day May 1993 compelled to just make a couple important points. There's been much said about the issue of local control and mandates, and those who oppose this legislation, believe, have kind of twisted those concepts to serve their purposes in opposing this. When you talk about local control, there has always been limits on tax rates and limits on taxing authority that have been imposed by the General Assembly. That's always been the case. That's our responsibility, constitutionally and otherwise. Secondly, with respect to mandates: Of course we are opposed to mandates, but there is an important distinction here. We are opposed to mandates that impose increased costs on local government. This is a mandate that seeks to contain costs. I think that these tax caps is a reasonable first step in accomplishing property tax reform and property tax rellef. A11 we're asking is to limit increases. ask for your Aye vote.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator Rauschenberger.

Wi11 the sponsor yield for a couple of quick questions?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Sponsor will.

Senator O'Malley, kind of confused by some of the debate . seems these might not be the same kind of caps that we have in my area, based on some of the discussions I'm hearing. Are these tax caps substantially different than the tax caps that are now -- the tax cap proposed for Cook County - is this substantially different from what's ln effect in the five collar counties?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator O 'Ma11ey .

These are exactly the same as the other caps that have been 60  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day May 19, 1993 imposed.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator Rauschenberger.

Do these -- Will -- will this tax cap in Cook County reduce revenue to local government in any Way? seens to me, some people feel like it's going to reduce revenue.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator O 'Malley.

No, don't know of any reason why local revenue would be depleted as a result of this. The llmit is -- is in -- represents a percentage increase over the prior year levy. So the opportunity for local revenue growth remains, and I think, as Senator Cronin pointed out Well, this is just another form of a limitation which we in the General Assembly have an obligation to inpose, or to -- to at least address, as far as placing reasonable limitations on the ability of local units of government to raise property taxes. Thank you .

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator Rauschenberger.

Doesn't this legislation those areas that'll be new areas put under tax cap - doesn't it allow a provision for a referendum for the local unit of government to increase their...tmicrophone cutoffl...revenue?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator O'Malley.

Senator Rauschenberger, it certainly does. It -- it allows the people to be invited back into the process, if you want -- if a local unit of government wants to exceed the limitation that's 61  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day May 19, 1993 placed on it. So, there is -- there's the opportunity for a local referendum approval.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator Rauschenberger, you...

Then -- then it seems to me that this bill does not compromise the quality of local government. it simply makes excess local gcvernment growth accountable to the voters. Right?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator O 'Ma11ey.

absolutely agree with your summation.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator Rauschenberger.

I rise in strong support of thls legislation. My area has tax - - much of my area has tax caps nowr and is Working. Thank you.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator Farley.

Thank you, Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. rise in strong support of this measure. Let's talk about the basics. A certaln individual - certain Senator - talked about neW funding. New funding is an issue that we have to address as we constantly go on through our legislative business, not just this yearr but next year and the following year and the following year, and so on and so on and so on. This isn't a question of neW funding . This isn't a questian of limiting . This is a question of reasonable tax relief that we can provide to those people in our distrlct that need tax relief. We have to start sonewhere. 0ur responsibility, I think, at this point in time, is to pass 62  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day May 19, 1993 thls measure, to put a cap on these spendin: limits and to tell the folks back -- that we represent that wefre trying to be responsible, we are concerned with their spendlng, and pass this good legislation. And would, therefore, Mr. President and Ladies and Gentlemen, promote and suggest an Aye vote for this good piece of legislation.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) General Jones.

Thank you, Mr. President. -- I'm getting rather confused, so w111 the sponsor yield?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Sponsor says he will.

Senator O 'Malleyr I heard about the referendum, and I heard about the tax caps. Now, I heard about -- heard what Senator Rauschenberger said about the collar countles that -- six collar counties, but I know in the State of Illinois, there are a hundred and two counties. Now, in Springfieldy for example, in Springfield is does this place a cap on the school districts in Springfield? I need to know that.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator O'Malley .

As you know, Senator Jones, does not. This applies to Cook County in terms of -- of imposing the limitation.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator Jones.

So -- but in Springfield, it would be a referendum to the school district to decide whether or not they want to have a tax cap. Am I correct? 63  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day May l9, 1993

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator O 'Malley.

Againr Senator, you are correct. This -- this bill provides for a statewide advisory referendum .

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator Jones.

Could you tell me the difference between the extension of the property tax to the school district in Chicago - District 299 - and the difference in the extension of the property tax to the school district here in Springfield?

PRESIDING OEFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator O'Malley .

Senator Jones, the -- the -- the part of the State that, in my opinion, requires the most relief at this point in time is Cook County, where we have rising -- rapidly rising and increasinç assessed valuations. There doesn't appear to be the support to -- to extend it statewide, and that's why we -- we considered a statewide advisory referendum to allow the voters to tell the General Assembly how they feel about the question.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator Jones.

In -- in addressing the issue, this is the hypocrisy that I've heard as it relate to the school districts a11 across the State of Illinois. I thought We had gotten away from this separate-but-unequal treatment of students ln Illinois. But here, in the southern part of Illinois, if the -- if the school district so desires to raise those property taxes, they may do so; but in the City of Chicago, you are placing a cap on them and not 64  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Leçislative Day MaY 1993 affording them the same right. Separate but unequal. And so all the hypocrisy that I've heard on the Floor about what the State is doing -- don't treat the children who have to attend those schools, be the City of Chicago or suburban Cook County, any different than the children who have to go to school in Springfield, be it Decatur, be it -- be it Southern Illlnois. That's the hypocrisy that I've heard as it relate to this piece of leglslation. The Governor indicated that -- in his address - the State of the State Address that he wanted to extend property tax throughout the entire State. We recognizer in many school districts downstate, southern Illinois who are on the Financial Watch -- List, but you are not goinç to cap those taxes; you 're going to let them decide by referendum. In the City of Chicago, they will not have that decision; it Will be mandated as such. But again, separate but equal <sic>. And that's al1 the hypocrisy that we've heard on this piece of legislation. This is one state - it's the State of Illinois - the twelve million people should not be separated by legislation. So don 't come here talking about a1l this goody two-shoes or what you want to do for property tax, when you are not really trying to help the people. You are trying to stymie the people Who need the services; you 're trying to stymie the local government officials to make those decisions. So let's deal with the real issue. The real issue is, you want to penalize the people in the City of Chicaqo and Cook County, but youlre going to let the rest of the State, and especially downstate - the hundred -- the ninety-six counties that are not included in this legislation - you let them decide by a referendum. You had an opportunity, the President had an opportunity, to let the school districts in Cook County, by a referendum, decide whether or not they wanted to raise taxes and place a cap on that, but no , you voted against that. So all we've heard so far is hypocrisy, hypocrisyr hypocrisy. And as a 65  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day May l9, 1993 freshman Senator, I'm very shocked that you fell into that type of a category. thought you would listen to something more reasonable as it relate to al1 the children of the State of Illlnols. And this bill should be resoundingly defeated.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator O'Malley, to close.

First, to address Senator Jones: The Chicago public schocl system , right now, is dealing with a tax levy increase of 4.74% under the -- the maximum limit set forth here. Many of the leaders in Cook County have seen the wisdom of limitaeions, and share with you two of them: Mayor Daley, self-lmposed on a home rule unitr City of Chicago; Assessor Hynes, former President of this Body, well-respected in suburban Cook County, as well in Chicago, and a resident of Chicago, has come out strongly urging support for tax limitations. Now, to everybody in the Body : Senate Bill 1125 -- or House Bill 1125, as amendedy is substantially what Senate Bill l was, Which left this Body on Aprll 20th, with thirty-seven affirmative votes. I thank al1 of you for taking the tlme, again, to listen to this important issue and discuss it with us today. Let's a1l keep in mind that local taxing authority comes from this State from this State Legislature. There would not be property taxes in the State of Illinois unless thls State Legislature permitted it. But With that authority also becomes a -- comes a responsibility, and we have the responsibility of having reasonable limitatlons imposed on local governments' ability to raise property taxes. This is not an issue of local control or placing a mandate on government. This is about Whether or not the people Will be part of the process again, or to what extent they will be part of the process. Local government will have the ability to ask the citizens that they serve, Whether or not the additional services - increased 66  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Leglslative Day Kay 1993 services, and the funding that they are going to needr which exceed these limitations whether or not they can agree with them. submit to you that the time has come for us to invite people back into the process. Trust them. That's what democracy is a1l about, and I urge us to vote Aye on this important piece of legislation. Thank you.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) The questlon is, shall House Bill 1125 pass. Thcse in favor will vote Aye. Opposed, vote Nay. The voting is open. Have a1l voted who wish? Have a11 voted who wish? Have al1 voted Who wish? Take the record. On that question, there are 37 Ayes, 19 Naysr 2 voting Present. The bill, having recelved the constitutional majority required, is declared passed. House Bill 1126. Senator Burzynski. Take it out of the record. House Bill 1163. Senator Mahar. Take it out of the record. House Bill 1194. Senator Klemm. Read the bill, Madam Secretary.

House Bill 1194. (Secretary reads title of bill) 3rd Reading of the bill.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator Klemm.

Thank you, Mr. President. House Bill 1194 has been amended, and amends the Public Aid Code to prohibit a person from transferring real property for less than fair market value within sixty months immediately before applying for Medicaid or being admitted into a nursing home, Whichever occurs later. Currently the 1aw calls for thirty months, but as many of us know r this bill addresses that problem that received a great deal of attention recently about the horror stories that have been related about people transferring substantial assets in order to qualify for 67  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day May 19, 1993 public asslstance. This bill addresses thatr and do ask for your support.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator Welch.

would just rise on a point of personal privilege, Mr. President.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) State your point.

Mr. President, aur -- in our gallery, over on the Republtcan side, We have a group of students from North Lawn Junior High School, from Streatorr Illinois. If they would riser we would welcome them to Springfield.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Will the students who have chosen the right side please stand and be recognized? Senator Smith.

Thank your Mr. President and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. I'd like to make a statement first, and then I'd like to ask the sponsor of 1194 a question, if I may. Thank you very kindly.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator Smith.

wanted to ask him about this bill, that While your bill is intended -- is Well-intended, according to a recent report by the Auditor General's concern in enforcement of property transfer laws, in fiscal year '91 and '92, thirty-five of an estimated forty-two thousand applications, long-term care, were initially denled, due to improper property transfers. The audit indicates that the Illinois Department of Public Aid 's polices and processes 68  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day May l9, 1993 need three different things, and I want this -- to be considered: More comprehensive to identify posslble prohibited transfers; more consistently followed by the Department of Public Aid's offlce; and three, more restrictive to extend penalties to those who transfer property to quality <sic> for Medicaid . Hence, extending the perlod of time is not the issue. Is it a possibility, Sponsor, that you would be willing to put this bill in conference committee and address some of the Auditor General's concern in this report? Is it a possibility that you could do that?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator Klemm.

Well, it is regrettable, sometimes, that people try to take advantage of -- of What we're trying to do here. Yes, I wish they had more time to investigate some of the transfers; however, they don't have as much time now as they have even under this bill. We would like to have at least extended that, but obviously, Wefre trying to be reasonable with it. I think we're trying to answer the needs of b0th people; people that genuinely have requirements and needs that we can assist them , and those that are trying to abuse the system. think we all and you lve worked very long in your career trying to eliminate abuses, because when we allow those abuses to occur, it takes away valuable dollars from those who really need And obviously, what we're trying to do is restore a period of reasonableness for people who are trying to dlvest themselves of assets so that they could qualify for, again, assistance or Medicald. It's not a perfect World; I wish We could do more. We think this is the best We could offer right at thls point in time.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator Smith.

69  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIFT 55th Legislative Day May l9, 1993 merely wanted to bring to your attention that -- it's a possibility that you -- couldn't you extend that time? Is is that not the issue?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator Klemm .

Well, if you 're talking about investigative time for them to look into the matter, they try to make it as quickly as possible in order to assist those that need the assistance and to allow them to qualify to go into nursing homes with their assistance financial asslstance. Sometimes that's difficult. For us to pass a law saying they would need thirty, sixty: ninety days to investigate, probably wouldn't be a problem ; but, if they find that there has been abuses, they obviously will deny those people those benefits. So I don't know if a time frame necessarily even accomplishes what we fd like to do. Certainly, they dre doing What they can, both county and statewide, because it's affected both county level, also, for their nursing homes. They are trying to do the investigation as quickly as they can. don't think We need a time frame, necessarily, in this legislation.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Any further discussion? If not, Senator Klemm, to close.

Well, thank you, Mr. President. I think the bill has been discussed. We had a similar bill that passed unanimously from the - - the Senate. just ask for your support.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) The question is, shall House Bill 1194 pass. Those favor will vote Aye. The opposed, vote Nay. The voting is open. Have a11 voted who wish? Have a11 voted who wish? Take the record. On that question, there are 50 Ayes, 2 Nays, 4 voting Present. House Bill 1194, having received the required constitutional 70  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day May 19, 1993 majority, is declared passed. 1203. Senator Cullerton. Take it out of the recordr Madam Secretary. 1230. Senator Smith. Take it out of the record. 1235. Senator Hawkinson. Take it out of the record. 1249. Senator Geo-Karis. Take it out of the record. You know, we're getting down to the shorts on thisr folks. 1256. Senator Cronin. Out of the record. 1261. Senator Hasara. Read the bill, Madan Secretary.

House Bill 1261. (Secretary reads title of bill) 3rd Reading of the bill.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator Hasara.

Thank youy Mr. President. Amendment No. 2 that Was debated in -- at some length on the Floor yesterday, actually becomes the bill. It was Senator Fawell and Senator Jacobs' amendment. I will just explain it briefly, and then there are any additional questions from yesterday, try to answer them . This amendmenty which becomes the bl1lr creates a Special Hauling Vehicle status, and what it does is is to permit asphalt and cement trucks access to roads. They will pay a hundred-dollar-a-year fee for this special hauling permit. If they are stopped and ticketed, they may proceed if they are not more than four thousand pounds overwelght. I might say that this ls another example of a bill that was originally opposed by some of the township and county road people. We got everyone together for the period of a couple weeks. We negotiated the bill. It was amended so that it met everyone's concerns, and to my knowledge, at this time, there are no opponents to this bill. Everyone signed off on this. received bipartisan support, and would ask for a favorable vote. 71  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day May 19, 1993

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator Severns.

Thank you, Mr. President, just briefly. too rise in strong support of this bill. I think a .good compromise and hope that we can send it out of here.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator Jacobs.

Thank you, Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. Just to set the record straightr I too stand in -- in support of this legislaticn. However, Amendment 1 actually is still the bill. This does clarify it and makes it a little bit better, and it's not my amendment, but I do stand in support of the -- of the particular legislation and -- as amended.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator Hasara, to close.

believe the issue was debated yesterday when the amendment came up, and I would ask for an Aye vote.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) The question is, shall House Bill 1261 pass. Those in favor will vote Aye. The opposed, vote Nay. And the voting's open. Have al1 voted who wish? Have a1l voted Who wish? Have all voted who wish? Take the record. On that question, there are 55 Ayesy Nayr none voting Present. House Bill 1261, having received the required constitutional majority, is declared passed. House Bill 1316. Senator Peterson. Senator Peterson. Out of the record. House Bill 1341. Senator Karpiel. Read the bill, Madam Secretary .

House Bill 1341. 72  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day May l9, 1993 (Secretary reads title of bill) 3rd Reading of the bill.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator Karpiel.

Thank you: Mr. President. House Bill 1341 anends the -- Illinois Purchaslng Act and the Solid Waste Planning and Recycling Act. It requires that the official newspaper of Illinois have a ninimum usage of recycled fiber. It standardizes the reporting requirements for a local government's recycling rate. It creates the Measurement Reporting Standards Task Force. Sets forth definitions of the -- what the municipal Waste is -- you know, what's considered municipal waste. And one of the amendments imposes a sentence of communlty service consisting of removing and - - imposes a mandatory sentence of community service consisting of renoving and properly disposing of litter for those who are ccnvicted of littering, and in addition to any fines which may be imposed.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Any discussion? If not, the question is, shall House Bill 1341 pass. Those in favor will vote Aye. Opposed, vote Nay. The voting is open. Have a1l voted who wish? Have a11 voted who wish? Have al1 voted who wish? Take the record. On that questionr there are 56 Ayes, no Nays, none voting Present. House Bill 1341, having received the required constitutional majority, is declared passed. 1354. Senator Mahar. Senator Mahar. Out of the record, Madam Secretary . 1374. Senator Welch. Read the bill, Madam Secretary.

House Bill 1374. (Secretary reads title of bl1l) 3rd Reading of the bill. 73  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day May 19, 1993

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator Welch.

Thank you, Mr. President. This is a bill that -- basically is a bill that we passed earlier as a Senate Bill. What it does -- increase the maximum amount of nuclear safety emergency preparedness funds the Department of Nuclear Safety can use to compensate local governments. Raises it fron two hundred fifty thousand to three hundred thousand dollars, and it doesn't include any funding. This is voluntary on the part of the Departnent or on our part, by appropriating the money to do this. That's basically what it does.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Any discussion? Any discussion? If not, the question 1s: shall House Bill 1374 pass. Those in favor will vote Aye. The opposed will vote Nay. And the voting is open. Have al1 voted who wish? Have a11 voted who Wish? Have al1 voted who wish? Take the record. On that questionr there are 56 Ayes, none voting Nay, none voting Present. House Bill 1374, having received the required constitutional majority, is declared passed. 1411. Senator Hasara. Read the bill, Madam Secretary.

House Bill 1411. (Secretary reads title of bill) 3rd Reading of the bill.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator Hasara .

Thank you , Mr. President. House Bill 1411 adds universities to those who -- who operate under the Minority and Female Business Enterprise Act. knoW of no opposition, and ask for a favorable vote. 74  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Leglslative Day May 1993

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Any discussion? If not, the question is, shall House Bill 1411 pass. Those in favor will vote Aye. The opposed, vote Nay. The voting is open. Have a11 voted who wish? Have al1 voted who wish? Have al1 voted who wish? Take the record. On that question, there are 58 Ayes, none Nays, none voting Present. House Bl1l 1411, having received the required constitutional majority, is declared passed. Senator Peterson. 1427. Read the bill, Madam Secretary. House Bill...

House Bill -- House Bill 1427. (Secretary reads title of bill) 3rd Reading of the bill.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator Peterson.

Thank your Mr. President and Members of the Senate. House Bill 1427, as amended , allows drainage district treasurers to record liens in the county recorder's office. If the treasurer is not the -- is not the county treasurer, the reporting forms shall be as required by the county treasurer. And it leaves the option up to the drainage district who they want to be the treasurer: a member of their board, ex officio, or the county treasurer. Ask for your favorable vote on House Bill 1427, as amended.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Any questions? Senator Donahue.

Thank you, Mr. President. A question -- a question of the Sponsor.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) The sponsor says he will.

75  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day ëaY 1993 Thank you. Senator Peterson, just to clarify this, 'cause know you 've anended it, if you have an -- an attorney's office that is treasurer for a number of different drainage districts, they can be designated that and -- and accordinç to the -- file according to the form and a11 that kind of stuff so they can continue to be that -- that treasurer of the drainage districts.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator Peterson.

That's correct, Senator. They can be the treasurer. They will have to report, thoughr the recorded liens to the county office - any liens that are put on drainage district property.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator Donahue, are you done?

Would they not do that already today, or is -- ls there -- is that just a little bit different?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator Peterson.

At this time, believe there 's a problem with recording, and that's one of the concerns the county treasurers had . These people have little pieces of paper in their pocket and do this and that, and they want a more uniform system of recording this.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator Petersony to close.

think the bill has been adequately explained, and I appreclate your favorable vote on House Bill 1427.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) The question 1s, shall Hcuse Bill 1427 pass. Those in favor will vote Aye. Opposed r vote Nay. The voting is noW open. Have 76  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day Ma# 1993 a1l voted who wlsh? Have a11 voted who wish? Have al1 voted who wish? Take the record. On that questlon, there are 56 Ayesr none voting Nay, none voting Present. House Bill 1427, having received ehe required constieutional majority, is declared passed. House Bill 1.464. Senator Toplnka. Senator Topinka, do you wish 1464 called? Read the bill, Madam Secretary .

House Bill 1464. (Secretary reads title of bill) 3rd Reading of the bill. FRESIDJNG OFFICERJ (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator Topinka. Senator Topinka.

Am I on? Oh, there we go. This bill would require the Illlnois Environmental Protection Agency and the Illinois Department of Public Hea1th to partlcipate in Army Corps of Engineer projects involving storm and sanitation reservoirs, which would hold water continuously for flve days or more. As explained yesterday when we put on an amendment, this in no way impedes those projects from beinç completed. It does not in any way stand in the way of the Army Corps of Engineers, but it does seek to make sure that our people are present at the time of these discussionsr to protect the public interests and the public health. And that's a11 this bill does.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Any discussion? If not, the question is, shall House Bill 1464 pass. Those in favor Will vote Aye. The opposed will vote Nay. The voting is open. Have al1 voted who wish? Have al1 voted who wish? Have a11 voted who Wish? Take the record. On that question, there are 58 Ayes, none voting No -- Nayg none voting Present. House Bill 1464, having received the required constitutional majority, is declared passed. Senator Mahar, for 77  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day May l9s 1993 - - take 1479 out of the record, Madam Secretary. House Bill 1489. Senator Cronin. Senator Cronln requests that House Bill 1489 be brought back to 2nd Reading. Take it cut of the record. House Bill 1498. Senator Berman. Read the billr Madam Secretary.

House Bill 1498. (Secretary reads title of bill) 3rd Readlng of the bill.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator Berman.

Thank you Mr. President and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. This bill has been amended after conferences between the advocacy groups for the patients and the nursing home industry. The language that that adjusts the issue of falsifying nurslng home residents' health care records has been removed from the bill so that that issue is no longer addressed by the anended bill. The rest of the bill substantially incorporates provisions of federal 1aw and the State Mental Health Code into the -- Nursing Home Care Act. I'd be glad to respond to any questions, and solicit your Aye vote.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Any -- any discussion? If notr the question isr shall House Bill 1498 pass. Those in favor will vote Aye. Opposed, vote Nay. The voting is open. Have al1 voted Who wish? Have a1l voted who wish? Have all who voted wish? Take the record. On that question, there are 58 Ayes, none voting Nay, none voting Present. House Bill 1498, having received the required constitutional majority, is declared passed. Senator Watsonr 1507? Take ie out of the record. House Bill 1575. Senator Cullerton. Read the bill, Madam Seeretary.

78  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day May 1993 House Bill 1575. (Secretary reads title of bill) 3rd Reading of the bill.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator Cullerton.

Thank you, Mr. President, Members of the Senate. This bill is the bill that was drafted by the Chicago Bar Association, the Condomlnium Law Subcommittee, and it's been reviewed by a11 concerned organizations and actually strengthens the ability of unit owners to override possible unnecessary assessments passed by a board. Under existin: law, a board could double or triple the assessments at the time of the annual budget without any unit owner veto, if the purpose of the increase is simply to rebuild the reserves for repair and replacement of the property. This bill eliminates this loophole. Existing laW also permits a minority of unit owners to prevent the property from being maintained if a midyear assessment is necessary. And this bill eliminates the game-playing and provides that once an annual budget or separate assessment increases the previous year's assessment amount by fifteen percent, unit owners have an opportunity to veto the assessment by a majority vote of the total membership . The only exceptions are where a governmental authority has mandated a repair or a genuine emergency exists. So this is very similar to - not, I believe, identical to - a bill that we passed, a Senate bill 442. The House has added some amendments which are don 't believe, acceptable. This is the bill that we passed before. It has the support of the bar associations, and I would appreciate a favorable vote.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Any discussion? If noty the questlon isr shall House Bill 1575 pass. Those in favor will vote Aye. The opposed, vote Nay. 79  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day May 1993 And the voting is open. Have al1 voted who Wish? Have al1 voted who wish? Have a11 voted who wish? Take the record. On that question, there are 58 Ayes, none voting Nay, none voting Present. House Bill 1575, having received the required constitutional majority, is declared passed. Senator Dudycz. 1637. Read the bill, Madam Secretary.

House Bi11 1637. (Secretary reads title of bill) 3rd Reading of the bill.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator Dudycz.

Thank you, Mr. President. House Bill 1637, as amendedr does amend the Metropolitan Water Reclamation District Act. It authorizes the district board to order a party responsible for a discharge to pay court reporter costs and the hearing officer fees, in a total amount for both not to exceed three thousand dollars. This bill is apparently serving as the omnibus Metropolitan Water Reclamation District bill. The cammittee Amendment No. contains the provisions of House Bill 2060, sponsored by Senator Mahar, which authorizes an increase in the amount of emergency contracts which can be let without notice and competitive bidding from twenty-five thousand to fifty thousand . This -- the provisions of House Bill -- or House Bill 1097 passed the House l04 to 2. It -- the Senate Floor Amendment removes the non-referendum bond extension, which had already passed previously on another bill - both Houses - and it defines the Rich Township annexations as territory not Within another sanitary district. This allows for the creation of the Eastern Will County Sanitary District. know of no opposition to this amended billr and seek your support. 80  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislatlve Day May l9, 1993

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Any discussion? If not, the question lsr shall House Bill 1637 pass. Those in favor will vote Aye. The opposed will vote Nay. The voting is open. Have a1l voted who Wish? Have a11 voted who wish? Have al1 voted who wish? Take the record. On that question, there are 57 Ayes, none voting Nay, none voting Present. House Bill 1637: having received the required constitutional majority, is declared passed. Senator Dudycz, 16427 Read the bill, Madam Secretary.

House Bill 1642. (Secretary reads title of bi11) 3rd Reading of the bill.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator Dudycz.

Thank you, President. House Bill 1642 is a proposal of the Fraternal Order of Police. With the amendment, the bill now applies only to disciplinary action - State Police are now okay. Have they -- they have removed their opposition to the bill. The bill amends the State Police Act to make any statements or admission obtained during the course of any hearing not conducted in accordance with the State Police Act, inadmissible in any administrative hearin: before the State Police Merit Board . And Senate Amendment 2 would provide that any elected public official who pleads guilty to a criminal offense under State or federal law, must resign, effective at the time the plea agreement ls made. The second or this amendment that was added onto -- or Floor Amendment No . 2, which was added on yesterday to Senate Bill 1642, was prompted by the controversy surrounding the Chicago City Clerk, Who pleaded guilty to a felony but originally refused to resign office until he was to be sentenced later on this July, but 81  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day May l9r 1993 has since resigned the office. The amendment did pass the Local Government and Elections Committee on House Bi11 129, but was held in -- well, that's it.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator Hall.

Thank your Mr. President. Will the sponsor yield for a question?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Sponsor will.

Senator Dudycz, are you saying that if a State trooper is reviewed and -- obtained in violation of the State Police Act -- are not admissible to any subsequent discipline proceeding? In other words, they can do What they want, and they can't -- is that what you're saying?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator Dudycz.

No -- not -- not entirely, Senator. The intent Was to make statements, admissions or examinations under the Act without advising the officer of his rights under the disciplinary provision, inadmissible in a subsequent disciplinary action.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator Hall.

Well, am I reading correctly When I see in the book says, any statement or admission obtained during the course of a hearing, interrogation or exam -- not conducted in accordance with the Illinois State Police Act may not be utilized against the officer? And why would they be free from any of this?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) 82  STATE 0F ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day May 19r 1993 Senator Dudycz.

Are you referring, Senator, to the portion of the the crlminal proceedlng or the administrative hearing?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator Hall.

About the administrative hearing.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator Dudycz.

Wellr my handler is not beside me, but -- I believe that may be carrect.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator Hallz are you done? Senator Hall.

- - - - if a trooper or an officer arrests someone and he didn't take care of the thing -- or he could be wrong -- no matter what it says, it's inadmissible, and I can't see why that -- he 'd be given -- different from other people.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator Hall, we're taking this out of the record. The sponsor is going to talk to you abcut it.

Okay.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) House Bill 1643. Senator Dudycz, you wish that called? Senator Dudycz? Read the billr Madam Secretary.

House Bill 1643. (Secretary reads title of bill) 3rd Reading of the bill. 83  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day May l9, 1993

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator Dudycz. For what reason does Senator Jacobs wish to be recognized?

Parliamentary procedure, Mr. President.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) State your point.

have filed a -- a motion to reconsider, having voted on the prevailing side, and on Amendment No. 2, which was the amendment in regards to mailings, and under Rule 7-l5(d) the Senate must deal states the Senate must deal with this motion before the bill is to be considered. END OF TAPE TAPE 3

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator Jacobs, read on. This motion is not timely, as the bill is on the Order of 3rd Reading. Senate Rule 7-15, the one that you quoted, permits a motion to reconsider a vote on the adopticn of an amendment only when the bill is on the Order of 2nd Reading. The amendment was adcpted yesterday, and the bill advanced to the Order of 3rd Reading; therefore, this motion out of order. Senator Dudycz, proceed. Senator Jacobs, yes.

I concur With that -- that ruling; however, I have asked to suspend those rules, which is applicable under Chapter 25, Rule of Robert's Rules, that makes the motion to suspend havinç 84  STATE 0F ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day May l9, 1993 precedence over the motion.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator Jacobs, we are not on the we are noW on the Order of 3rd Reading, not on the Order of Motions. Senator Dudycz. Senator Jacobs, yes.

I think -- think the point is bein: missed. am asking that that rule be suspended, and all I'm asking for is to vote on that. If you fve got the thirty votes to override the the ruling, then so be it.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Well, let me reiterate again, Senator Jacobs: we are not on the Order of Motions. We are on the Order of 3rd Reading. Senator Dudycz.

Well, thank youe Mr. President. In most casesr you know, the sponsor does have control over his legislationy and I -- Would have been nore than happy to speak with Senator Jacobs about any motion that he would have previously entered, but no indication Was made to me by either him or a Member of his staff that -- that he had filed this. He has made no conmunication at a11 to mer and I'd just like to proceed with the bill.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Please proceed.

House Bill 1643 amends the State Police Act. It requires, rather than permits, back pay to officers - police officers - who are found not guilty in a suspension hearing or who serve a suspension greater than the State Police Merit Board prescribed. It requires seven-percent interest payment on the back pay, and it permits the Board to order costs and attorneys' fees for frivolous legislation qsic>. This legislation was modeled after almost 85  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislatlve Day May 19, 1993 identical language contained in the Illinois Labor -- Public Labor Relations Act, which requires the Illinois Public Labor Relations Board to award interest on back pay and authorizes the impositions of sanctions in the discretion of the Board. It was -- this bill Was prompted -- or at the request of the Fraternal Order of Police, the Illlnois Police Associatlon, and the State Troopers do support it, and I would seek your affirmative support.

PRESIDING OEFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator Carroll.

Thank you: Mr. President. On a point of parliamentary inquiry, if may.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) State your point.

Thank you, Mr. President. Under Robert's Rules, Senator Jacobs' moticn is in order and takes precedence over any other business. It's one of the precedented motions, and I would refer you again to -- within Section 25 of Robert's, and our rules of course say Robert's applles when our rules are silent, and our rules are silent. This is specifically a precedented motion that takes precedence over the -- the hearing on the bill, and I think we have to first dispose of Senator Denny Jacobs' motion you're giving me signals - before we can go to the other order of business.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) For the last time, We are on the Order of 3rd Reading, and I have ruled already. If you want to challenge the ruling, fine, but we are on the Order of 3rd Reading . Yes. Senator Carroll.

Why, thank your Mr. President. It's just -- I am suggesting to the Parliamentarian that this is a precedented motion. Senator 86  STATE 0F ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Leqislative Day May l9r 1993 Jacobs did say he was appealing your ruling, which I thought would be unnecessary because...

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) did not hear that.

.. . because is a precedented motlon, and therefore, should automatically happen.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator Jacobs.

. .. tmicrophone cutoffl...president, I -- I was trying to get your attention to appeal the ruling of the Chair, and I ask for a motion to to appeal...

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Okay. The question is...

... the rullng of the Chairr which is always in order.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) The question is, shall the ruling of the Chair be sustained. A11 those in favor of sustaining the rule, vote Aye. A11 those opposed: vote Nay. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have al1 voted who wish? Take the record. There are 32 Ayes, 25 Nays, none voting Present. Having received -- failed to receive the necessary three-fifths negative votes, the appeal failsr and the ruling of the Chair is suseained. Senator Dudycz, back to 1643. Senator Dudycz.

Thank you, Mr. President. Also on the billr we -- we adopt Senate Floor Amendment No. 2, which I would defer to Senator Petka to discuss the merits of that portion of the bill.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator Petka. 87  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day MaY 1993

Thank you very much, Mr. President, Members of the Senate. Amendment No . which was adopted yesterday on the House Ksic> Ploor, basically is the embodiment of Senate Bill 102, with the exception that the Department of Revenue is explicitly excluded, as opposed to legislative intent that we had on 102 and we sent out of here. The bill was extensively debated yesterday and -- or this anendment was extensively debated yesterday, and I would simply move for 1ts adopeion.

PRESIDING OEFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator Hendon.

..o tmicrophone cutoffl...our rules Senate Rules whlch have in my hand, 7-13 clearly states that a motlon on a different subject -- 'No motion or other legislative measure on a subject different from that under consideration shall be admitted under'' (the) 'color of'' (an) 'amendment'' Now ascertain, Mr. President, that there are many of us who support the State Police and their back pay; however, this amendment is belng offered against our rules, Which is 7-13 under the color of amendment, because ie has absolutely nothing to do with the State Police at all; it has absolutely nothing to do with the subject at hand. And according to Rule 7-13, we cannot do this.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator Hendon. Senator Hendonr let me remind you, we are on 3rd Reading. If you had Wished to make that point, it should have been made when the amendment was there for adoption. We are on 3rd Reading. That amendment was adopted. It is part of this bill. Senator Hendon.

Your ruling, Mr. President, on the previous question Was perhaps correct, because says clearly in our rules that that 88  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day May 19, 1993 has to take place on 2nd Reading. However, if you would read the rules and take a moment to see it: you Will see that there is no such provision when it comes to this particular motion on a different subject. There is no 2nd Readin: stipulation whatsoever on this question.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator Hendon, that issue should have been discussed on 2nd Reading. Senator Garcia.

Thank you, Mr. President. wanted to rise in support of House Bill 1643, because I thlnk it's a good bill, and Senator Dudycz has done a good job of bringing it forth to 3rd Reading out of the Committee on Government Operations. However, the part that makes this bill not such a good bill is the amendment that Senator Petka has decided to attach to the bill. And unfortunately, think it's quite clear that the sole intent of that amendment is to help undo CUB, because the Citizens Utillty Board, the entity created by the Legislature to advocate on behalf of tax -- ratepayers, is doing a pretty good job. And what wedre seeking to do is to deny them that twenty percent of their budget which they generate through the mallings, that they have the privilege of doing, which was granted to them by the General Assembly. So, Senator Dudycz, I'm forced to vote Present on this bill, although recognize that it is a good bill, because of what I think is a bad amendment that Senator Fetka has managed to successfully attach to this good bill.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator Hendony for the last time, hopefully.

Well, Mr. President, I Would have been finished, but you won't let me finish. You -- I'm just asking you to show me in our rules where says that this particular questlon has to take place on 89  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day 8aY 1993 2nd Readingy as you can point out hoW Senator Jacobsd motion had to take place on 2nd Readlng, and you Were correct. Now show me where this one has to take place on 2nd Reading ln our rules, because I cannot find it.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator Hendon, if you wish to have challenged that amendmentr you should have done it when it was being adopted. The amendment was adopted. We're on 3rd Reading. Senator Dudycz, to close.

Thank you, Mr. President. would just seek your affirmative support.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) On that question, is -- just a minute. Just a minute. Just a mlnute. Senator Welch, your light was on.

.. . tmicrophone cutoffl...the bill.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) A11 right. Go ahead. Quick.

I have no parliamentary inquiry.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) God bless you.

I just wanted to speak on the bill specifically on the amendment. What this amendment does is make a good bill a bad bill. Very seldom do we see a bill that is rolllng through here Where the issue of germaneness is abused to put on an amendnent that is similar to this. Senator Dudycz, I'm speaking to the bill.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator Dudycz...

90  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day May 19y 1993 I'm not raisin: a parliamentary or other inquiry.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator Dudycz, for what reason do you arise?

Mr. President, I closed, and I Would just seek the vote -- a roll call vote on...

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) The Chair -- the Chair allowed Senator Welch 'cause he didn't see his light. Go ahead. Quickly, Senator Welch.

Welly I don't blame Senator Dudycz for trying to shut me off. It's such a ridiculous attempt on the part of his side of the aisle to add a terrible amendment to a good bill. would -- I would try to shut me off too, Senator Dudycz, because I wouldn't want people to see what I did either. Because what you 've done is combined an abuse of the process with special interest legislation and rolled them into one to try to pass it over to the House. The only justification for this amendment to eliminate the Citizens Utility Board is to reward campaign contributors. can see -- no other justification. We've had so many pious statements within tbe last two hours from this -- the other side of the aisle about how we're going to save taxpayers' and homeowners' money; we've got to have caps because they 're spending money like wildfire. And then the one group that keeps utility rates low, you have an amendment to eliminate them . And it seems to me that it's contradictory, totally hypocritical, and the only justification is that this special interest group that youdre rewarding - the utility companies - seems to be in favor of your side of the aisle more than ours. There really is no other justification: to allow a group that has fought to lower utility rates in the last two years has helped win rebates for people of over six hundred million dollars - and then to come up with an amendment like this,  STATE 0F ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day May 1993 think, is -- is absurd. I think We a1l should be voting No on this.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator Dudyczr to finish his close. Senator Hendonr We do nct allow filibusters in the Senate. Okay? you Wanted .to appeal the ruling of the Chair, you should have appealed lt at the first time when I told you that we were on 3rd Readlng. Took you a hell of a long time to do it, 1111 tell you. Senator Dudycz just closed. On that question -- on that question -- the question shall House Bill 1643 pass. Those in favor will vote Aye. The opposed, vote Nay. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Al1 voted Who wish? Take the record. On that question, there are 32 Ayes, 20 Nays, 6 voting Present. House Bill 1643, having received the required constitutional majority, is declared passed. 1695. Senator Molaro? Take it out of the record. House Bill 1716. Senator Collins? 1716? Read the bill, Mr. Secretary. Senator Collins.

Yes. have an amendment and -- that has been filed, but haven't seen Whether or nct the Rules Committee has it's a technical...

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) right. Take it out of the record. House Bill 1718. Senator Geo-Karis. Out of the record. 1739 - the Chair Would request that we come back to that When -- when the Chair has left. House Bill 1746. Senator Cullerton. Senator Barkhausenr understand youdve taken over that bill? Okay. Senator Barkhausen, on House Bill 1746. Do you wish this bill recalled, Senator Barkhausen? Senator Barkhausen. Are there any amendments approved for consideration, Mr. Secretary?

Floor Amendment No . 1r offered by Senator Barkhausen. 92  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day May 19r 1993

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator Barkhausen.

Mr. President, been asked to inquire as to whether the bill was brought back to 2nd Readlng.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator Barkhausen seeks leave of the Body to return House B111 1746 to the Order of 2nd Reading for the purpose of an amendment. Hearing of no objection, leave is granted. On the Order of 2nd Reading is House Bill 1746. Mr. Secretary, any Floor amendments approved for consideration?

Floor Anendment No. offered by Senator Barkhausen.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator Barkhausen, explain your amendment.

Thank you, Mr. President. Amendment No. 1 to House Bill 1746 adds some individuals to this Task Force on Ownership Succession and Employee Ownership that the bill would create. The idea behind the amendment is to add individuals to this Task Force that have speclflc expertise in the subject matter of business succession. And I move its adoption.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Al1 those in favor of Senate Amendment No. siçnify by saying Aye. Opposed, say Nay. The amendment is adopted. Any further Floor amendments?

No further amendments reported, Mr. President.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) 3rd Reading. Senator Dudycz, are you ready to return to House Bill 1642? Read the bill, Mr. Secretary. 1642. Leave is granted to return House Bi1l... 93  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day May 19, 1993

House Bill 1642. (Secretary reads title of bill) 3rd Reading of the bill.

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator Dudycz.

Mr. President, with my trusted expert beside me, I'm ready to proceed with House Bill 1642, which anends the State Police Act to make any statement or admission obtained during the course of any hearing, interrogation or examination not conducted in accordance with the State Police Act inadmissible in any administrative hearing before the State Police Merit Board. Originally it lncluded any court of law . That provision Was removed. And the other part deals with the Chicago City Clerk situation, which would provide that any elected public official who pleads guilty to a criminal offense under State or federal law must resign, effective at the time the plea agreement is made.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Any discussion? Any discussion? If not, the questlon is, shall House Bill 1642 pass. Those in favor will vote Aye. The opposed will vote Nay. The voting is open. Have a11 voted who wish? Have a1l voted who wish? Have a11 voted Who Wish? Take the record . On that questionr there are 55 Ayes, none voting Nay, none voting Present. House Bill 1642, having received the required constitutional majorityr is declared passed. House Bill 1778. Senator Hawkinson? Read the bill, Mr. Secretary.

House Bill 1778. (Secretary reads title of bill) 3rd Reading of the bill.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) 94  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day May l9, 1993 Senator Hawkinson.

Thank your Mr. Presldent. House Bill 1778 is the annual library system per capita grant formula. We have amended it here in the Senate to increase the level of funding consistent with the Live and Learn funding level. Be happy to answer any questions; otherwise, I Would ask for your favorable action on House Bill 1778, as amended.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Any discussion? If not, the question is, shall House Bill 1778 pass. Those favor will vote Aye. The opposed will vote Nay . The voting is open. Have a1l voted Who Wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Take the record. On that question, there are 57 Ayes, none voting Nay, none voting Present. House Bill 1778, having received the required constitutional majority, is declared passed. Senator Burzynski, for what purpose do you rise?

Thank you, Mr. President. Point of personal privilege.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) State your point.

Thank you. In the gallery today, visiting from the -- one of the finest universities in the State of Illinois, we have several members from the Student Association from Northern Illinois University. I'd like for them to be welcomed to the Senate Chambers, please. In the gallery back here.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Will the students please rise and be recognized? House Bill 1787. Senator Barkhausen? Take it out of the record. House Bill 1821. Senator Klemm? Out of the record. House Bill 1886. Senator Topinka? Out of the record. House Bill 1902. Senator 95  STATE 0F ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day 8aY 1993 Mccracken? Read the billy Mr. Secretary.

House Bill 1902. (Secretary reads title of bill) 3rd Reading of the billu

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator Mccracken.

Thank you. This would amend the Act to require clerks generally in the northeastern part of the State, the netro area to annually budget for an tndependent audit. Apparently now, the clerks, because of revenue-sharing concernsr are subjected to multiple audits. This -- this would require that a slngle audit be used for that purpose, as well as auditlng the clerk's office generally. Senator Dunn asked that Will County be exempted. We adopted that amendment yesterday. move its passage.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) . Senator Stern.

A question for the sponsor.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Sponsor said he Will.

just want to see if I understand correctly. They budget for the audit in the circuit clerk 's budget -- does that mean that they - the circuit clerk - selects the auditor?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator Mccracken.

Yes, they -- they Would select the auditor for their audit.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator Stern. 96  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day MaY 1993

A number of years ago, before any of you young people were born, we had a little scandal in the Circuit Clerk 's Office in Lake County: and I wculd like to suggest that it isn't just that experience, but simple common sense, that says that you do not hire the person who goes over your records and approves them; that this should be done by the county board. The county board shauld select the auditor and should see to it that thls is a totally objective audit. think this is inappropriate legislation, Senator.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator Klemm .

Thank you, Mr. President. Was just discussing With the sponsor some of the concerns we have in some of the collar counties. I do tend to believe that the county board should should be the ones Who have the audit - to be conducted by an independent accounting firm they wish; not the department agency itself. I think it's just a simple case of checks and balances. If we Were to do this: then obviously the next request would be the county sheriff will have their own people audit their books, and then the county clerk and every county elected official, and think we went through this at one time. So What we did years and years ago was consolidate it. We do have a county audit. It seems that if we're looking at costs, the county - - when I was county board chairman, we got a better deal of a price of auditing the entire county books than having separate contracts of various accounting firms doing lndividual agencies or departments. So think as as an economy measure, the independent certified accounting firm which we, as a county, used to go out for bid, also, to do a contract for two or three years to do the auditing, is still appropriate. So to look the 97  STATE 0F ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day May l9, 1993 circuit clerks of -- of some of the counties to be separate from that, I think, would be an error in judgment. So therefore, I must stand in opposition to this bill.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator Hal.l.

Thank your Mr. President and Ladies and Gentlemen. For oncer I can agree With Klemm.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator Hasara .

Thank you, Mr. President. Will the sponsor yield?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Sponsor says he will. Senator Mccracken.

Senator, could you enlighten us as to hoW this came about?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator Mccracken.

Yes. The clerks in the metro area around Chicagor as well as the Cook County Clerk or Circuit Clerk, requested this legislation.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator Hasara.

Is it a correct statement to say that they felt that they needed an audit in addition to the regular county audit? Is that not Why they requested this?

PRESTDTNG OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELTS) Senator Mccracken.

Or am I wrong in my interpretation? 98  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day May l9, 1993

In Cook County, according to the bill, there'd be the allowance that the county board's auditor Would -- would suffice. In the other counties, that is not the case. The purpose behind this bill . is -- because of revenue-sharing with municipalities, they are subjected to nultiple audits which are initiated by these towns, to confirm how much money should be distributed. The purpose of this is to limit and make used for all purposes a single audit.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator Hasara .

Okay . Well, it seems to -- I stand in support of this bill. In reaction to the argument that you have the clerk hiring the auditorp I meanr I think it's the same thing; the county board hires the audltor that audits the county board's budget. I don't think it's so unusual to have this happen. And it is true that the circuit clerk has so many more fees and funds than the other county officials do that it's -- When I was a circuit clerk, it was always a big concern, you 're an ethical circuit clerkr that the county audit may miss somethingy because the one in Sangamon County was al1 -- Was not al1 that thorough. And so, you know: I'm sure that's why the clerks asked for this. So, I just don't think it's that unusual to have the unit of government that's being audited hire the auditing firm . I think it happens a11 the time, and Would assume it would be 1et out for bid. This is an elected official that's open to run for election and be criticized for doing anything unethical. And sor I think it makes a 1ot of sense, and I'd ask for an Aye vote.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator Hendon.

99  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Leglslative Day May l9, 1993 Thank you, Mr. President. Before I begin on this issue, I just wanted to remind the Chair I'm sure I don't have to - about the proper decorum and the use of profanity toward any Senator in this Chamber, because no matter how upset I've gotten over an issue, . I've never done that. would never do it to you, and I respectfully request that you do not do it to me. Violate my my rights, if you must, but please don't do that, because not only is it wrongr but it would also hurt our friendship. Will the speaker yield for a question, please?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Speaker said that he will.

Senator Mccracken, under this billr if a municipality feels that they have gotten shortchanged by the county, they now Will lose their right to get an independent audit. Is that correct?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator Mccracken.

That is precisely correct.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator Hendon.

Do you feel that it is right to take away the rights of a municipality to appeal an audit that they feel shortchanges their particular town? And this is across the State, I might add.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator Mccracken.

The bill is not across the State. The bill applies to the northeastern counties only, with the exception of Will County. But 1et me say this, as -- as to the policy issue you raise: would not characterize the issue the way you have characterized l00  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day MaY 1993 it, as the right of a municipality. What would say is this: The municipality has a right to receive the money due it under the law. Whether it has the right to compel the clerk's office to undergo independent audits, whlch in the case of Cook County and the collar counties and the metro counties generally is potentially very numerous and repetitive, I would say public policy dictates that as long as the audit is an independent audit, a certified audit conducted by a licensed CPA, one audit is enough.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator Hendon.

In committeer We also discussed an amendment that was very controversial. It Wasr in factr a tax increase. Now is this tax increase amendment currently part of HB1902?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator Mccracken.

My zeal was held in check by the committee Members, and we did not adopt that amendment. It's not part of the bill.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator Hendon.

Well, I'm -- I'm glad to hear that, Senator, because there was a concern in committee, and I -- I speak against this bill because think that people have a right, if they feel that they've been shortchanged, to -- to get an audit, an independent audit. I also thlnk that this legislation opens the door for abuse, as Senator Grace Mary Stern pointed out happened one time ago. So I think this is bad government, and ask for a No vote.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator Geo-Karis. 101  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day May l9, 1993

Will the sponsor yield for a question?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Sponsor says he will.

I noted by committee amendment that the County of Will was left out, and yet you include the County of Lake, and the bill requires Dupage, Lake, McHenry, Boone, Wlnnebagor Kane, Kendall, Grundy, DeKalb and Lasalle Counties to annually budget for an audit. Why was Will County left out, and why was my county included?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator Mccracken.

Senator Dunn got to me early. No one else asked.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator Geo-Karis.

Well, I'm going to get to you now. Mr. President and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate, don't think we need this legislation. And particularly, when a11 of a sudden al1 the rest of us have to account, and what about the rest of the State? It's not fair. And so now, much as I love the sponsor of this famous bill, I am speaking against it, and I urge a No vote.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator Stern.

apologize for rising twice on this subject, but think it's important to note - with the greatest confidence in circult clerks, who are the largest fee-earning office in any county -- to take some exception to Senator Hasara's comment. As understand this bill - and feel free to correct me, Mr. Sponsor only the l02  STATE 0F ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day May 19, 1993 Cook County Circuit Clerk Will be uslng the auditor hired by the county board. Think a little bit about what this means: that your all your local circult clerks in these various counties are going to be having that bit, if you like pin-striped patronage - polyester patronage, whatever you like - to hire an auditor to rubber-stamp the procedures being used in that office. think this is wrong, and I think it's not the kind of thing this Body should be permitting. I really urge you to vote No . Senator Geo-Karis remembers the situation that I referred to in Lake County. Those things can happen. They may not happen often, and it does not cast aspersions on the other circuit clerks. This is not the way this Body should be moving. I urge a No vote.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Any further discussicn? If notr Senator Mccracken, to close.

Well, since lt's not a controversial matter: 1'11 keep my remarks short. A11 counties may enter into an intergovernmental agreement with the circuit clerk in that county for the circuit clerk to use the same auditor as the county uses. is not a requirement, other than in Cook County, where, if the county board chooses tor it can require the circuit clerk to use the same auditor. In additionr the county boards in this bill are allowed to require a second audit if, in its discretion, tt believes it should do so . So there are some safeguards here. Now, people have come up and asked me: ''Why is organized along these lines? Why is this geography the way ls?'' The clerks themselves are organized geographically, and they have a group comprised of a1l of the northeastern Illinois counties, which has requested this legislation. Now r I submit to you r there 's a rational public policy for it generally, and that that is the size and complexity of those offices generally. So I don 't think this is bad publie policy. don't think it's inappropriate that it be l03  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day May 19y 1993 limited to the metro area and northeastern Illinois. And as said, I don't believe a municipality has a right to force other audits. They have the right to the money that is due them . The question is: What Wlll provide the basis for that determination? Will the clerks be forced to a multiplicity of audits and a1l the . confusion and cost that entails, to themr 1et alone of paying for the audit by the municipality? It ought to be one audit. And I don't think there's anything wrong with -- with the body being audited making that request. That's hoW it's done now, commonly.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) On that question, shall House Bill 1902 pass. Those in favor, vote Aye. The opposed, vote Nay. The voting is open. Have a11 voted who wish? Have al1 voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Take the record. On that question, there are 27 Ayes, 28 Nays, 1 voting Present. House Bill 1902, having failed to receive the constitutional majority required, ls declared failed. House Bill 1957. No. House Bill 1985. Senator Watson. Out of the record. House Bill 2053. Senator Molaro? Out of the record. House Bill 2062. Senator Raica. 0ut of the record. House Bill 2082. Senator Weaver. Out of the record. House Bill 2097. Senator Dunn. Read the bill, Mr. Secretary.

House Bill 2097. (Secretary reads title of bill) 3rd Reading of the bill.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator Dunn.

Thank you, Mr. President. This bill contains tWo aspects. The first is that it amends the Voluntary Payroll Deduction Act and requires soliciting organizations to disclose to State employees its receipts from al1 sources, rather than receipts from 104  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day May l9, 1993 State employees. The second aspect of the bill deals With a local government when they elect to conduct a charitable payroll deduction campaign. They shall not be allowed to discriminate against any qualified organization, their member agencies or the United Fund . This second aspect ls supported by the American Cancer Society, the American Diabetes Association, American Heart and Lung Association, the Arthritis Foundation, Association for Retarded Citizens: the Easter Seal Soclety of Illinois, the March of Dimes, the Mental Hea1th Association of Illinois, Muscular Dystrophy Association and the United Cerebral Palsy Foundation of Illinois.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Any discussion? If not, the question is: shall House Bill 2097 pass. Those in favor, vote Aye. Opposed, vote Nay. The voting is open. Have a11 voted Who wish? Have a11 voted who wish? Take the record. On that question, there are 55 Ayes, none voting Nay, none voting Present. House Bill 2097, having received the required constitutional majority, is declared passed. 2109. Senator Welch. Senator Welch? Out of the record . Senate -- 2121. Senator Palmer? Out of the record. 2122. Out of the record. 2123. Senator Philip? Out of the record. House Bill 2163, Senator Berman? Read the bill.

House Bill 2163. (Secretary reads title of b111) 3rd Reading of *he bill.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator Berman.

Thank you, Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. This bill is aimed at protecting senior citizens who are ripped off by organizations trying to sell them living trust documents. l05  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day May l9y 1993 The b111 has been amended several times to address the concerns of the banking industry, the savings and loans, and the Credit Union League. I believe it is an agreed bill, as lt noW stands. Be glad to respond to any questions, and solicit your Aye vote.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Any discussion? The question, then, is -- shall House Bill 2163 pass. Yes. Senator Berman.

Thank you. And just in closing, Want to state, at the request of the Commissioner of Banks and Trust Companies, that Senate Amendment No. which was adopted to this bill, is intended to clarify that the bill is not directed at the day-to-day activities of financial institutions and trust companies, which are closely supervised by government regulators. Thank you very much, and I solicit your Aye vote.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) The record will -- so reflect. The question is, shall House Bill 2163 pass. Those in favor will vote Aye. The opposedr vote Nay. The voting is open. Have a11 voted who wish? Have al1 voted who wish? Have al1 voted who wish? Take the record. On that question, there are 55 Ayes, none voting Nay, votinç Present. House Bill 2163, having received the required constitutional majority, is declared passed. 2227. Senator Fawell? Senator Fawell? 2227? Take it out of the record. 2231. Senator Hasara. Senator Hasara? Out of the record . 2244 -- 2242. Senator Topinka. Read the bill: Mr. Secretary.

House Bill 2242. (Secretary reads title of bill) 3rd Reading of the bill.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator Topinka. 106  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day May 19, 1993

Mr. President and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate, by virtue of this bill and its -- its recently put-on amendment, we allow the Department of Public Aid to develop and implement by rule an electronic help <sic> information system which would electronically process claims and store Medicare and Medicaid patient records, medical hlstories and billing information by December 31st, 1994. It also provides that the Department of Public Aid would issue health cards to Medicare and Medicaid recipients for assessing <sic> the system. It is kind of a new concept. The Department of Public Aid Would like to try They are in support of the billr and there is no one I know of in opposition. And I would seek, you know, a favorable roll call.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator Welch.

I had a question of the sponsor.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Question... sponsor will yield.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator, is this just a pilot project: or is this coverlng a11 recipients?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator Topinka.

Yes. Thank you. No, it would be for a11 Medicaid recipients, and it would be the billing history for all. It Would be a new system, and apparently they 're looking at what has occurred in other states. It's a cost-saver, and it would keep more adequate and accurate records that would be, apparently, available at one's fingertips. So that's where we 're coming from on this. l07  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day May 1993

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator Welch, are you satisfied with that answer?

had another question, Senator.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator Welch.

Can you tell me what the cost would be to change over this system to the -- to the electronic system?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator Topinka.

First of all, our amendment made it permissive. So it's dependent upon when, indeed, the Department gets it -- you know, puts its budget in order on this matter. They also have said that they feel that they can absorb this transition onto an electronic system.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator Welch .

Well, my analysis says that the Department is requesting l.6 million to institute a pilot program, and you're saying this isn't going to be a pilot program; this is going to be everybody receiving public aid, and yet, not going to cost any money. I'm confused here.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator Topinka .

We have a fiscal note from the Department that says they can do it within their budget. They have never, to my knowledge, come up with a figure of million - is, guess, what you dre coming up with. The highest wedve seen was five hundred thousand 108  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day MaY 1993 dollars, basically, they felt they could bring in for. But they do feel they can absorb it in their budget. We also have made this permissive. So as a result, there's nothing that says they have to do it nowr next yearr five years from now. It's just when they're ready to do and have the available money. Dependent upon our appropriation system , they go forward or not. ...tmicrophone cutoffl...pilot project.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator Welch.

We're going to check on that million-dollar request. But I had another question, Senator. Just yesterday, Senator O 'Malley proposed an amendment to a bill which required various agencies to determine the out-year savings projected from legislation that we passed. And in the spirit of Senator O'Malley 's amendment, could you tell us how much money wepre going to save in the future by doing this?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator Topinka.

At this point, don't think we can project that, but in other states, they feel that -- that it has been helpful, and because it does get rid of paperwork, that indeed it would have a cost-savings factor to I just don't have any official amount of money from them that I could share with you.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator Welch.

Senator, our analysis still states that it will cost 1.6 million this year, and there's a request for that amount by the Department of Public Aid. That's in another bill, so maybe we can look into it later, but that's what we show. 109  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day May 1993

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator Demuzio.

... tmicrophone cutoffl...l understand that the 1.6 million dollars Was requested by the Department of Public Aid. Can you tell us precisely where that appropriation is at the moment?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator Topinka.

No, sirr I'm not. not on the Approprlatlons Committee, and I'm not handling that. This is strictly authorizing legislation, and again I would note, it is permissive.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator Cullerton.

Yes. Would the sponsor yield?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Sponsor...

On I'm reading Amendment No. 1: and I'm just Wonderingr when privileges are terminated for economic factorsr would this bill give a doctor an action for restraint in trade?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Senator Topinka.

Amendment No. 1 Was never adopted r sir.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) Any further questions? Any discussion? Senator Cullerton, did you -- did you Want to make a comment? Any further discussion? Senator Topinka, to close.

Well, I think anything that we can do to tighten up the Public 110  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day May 19, 1993 Aid Department, in terms of where our Medicaid dollars are going, who's getting them, where and how and why, because we can do tt electronically and bring this up to the 21st century, hopefully saving money in the -- in the context of this, as has apparently been done in other states. think ib's a good move. Wedre going to have to get to it eventually, and if Public Aid is ready to start that process now or in the immediate future, think we should give them that authority should they Wish. And I Would ask for a favorable roll call.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR DeANGELIS) The question isr shall House Bill 2242 pass. Those in favor will vote Aye. The opposed, vote Nay . The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all vcted who wish? Take the record. On that question, there are 58 Ayes, none voting Nay, none voting Present. House Bill 2242, having received the required constitutional majority, is declared passed.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR MAITLAND) . . . tmicrophone cutoffl...Bill 2245. Out of the record. House Bill 2265. Senator Watson. Out of the record. House Bi11 2282. Senator Watson. Out of the record. House Bill 2307. Senator Fitzgerald. House Bill 2375. Senator Raica. Read the bill, Mr. Secretary.

House Bill 2375. (Secretary reads title of bill) 3rd Reading of the bill.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR MAITLAND) Senator Raica.

Thank you, Mr. Presidentr Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. House Bi1l 2375 makes numerous changes, substantive changes, to the Boat Registration and Safety Act. First thing does is l1l  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day MaY 1993 provides that it is unlawful to flee or attempt to elude an officer of the 1aw with a watercraft. Allows a1l watercraft preparlng for an approved regatta or preparing for a race to be exempt from reglstration. This provislon Was currently restricted to only motorboats. increases penalties for violating watercraft titling laws. Modlfies the lighting requirements. designates that a vessel can display and use sirens in either blue light or red. It prohibits dumping of marine head on waters of Illinois. Provides that a Watercraft operating on the Waters of Lake Michigan, accessible, workingr visible distress signals, and it also prohibits the use of personal watercraft and speclalty prop craft between the hours of sunset and sunrise. And I just ask for a favorable roll call.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR MAITLAND) Is there discussion? Is there discussion? Senator Raica, you wish to close, sir?

I'd just ask for a favorable roll call.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR MAITLAND) The question isr shall House Bill 2375 pass. Those in favor will vote Aye. Opposed, Nay. The voting is open. Have al1 voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Take the record, Mr. Secretary. On that question, there are 55 Ayes, Nay, no Members voting Present. House Bill 2375, having received the required constitutional majority, is declared passed. Hause Bill 2444. Senator Philip . Out cf the record. Earlier, leave was granted to return to House Bill 1739. Senator DeAngelis. Senator DeAngelis? Read the bill: Mr. Secretary .

House Bill 1739. (Secretary reads title of bill) 3rd Reading of the bill. l12  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day May 19, 1993

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR MAITLAND) Senator DeAngelis. SENATOR DeANGELIS: First of all, on a point of personal privilege. Speaking from the Flcor, it was suggested that during the course of sitting in the Chair, that I used a profanity. And sometimes one man 's profanity is another man's vernacular, or slang. To the extent that it was interpreted that way and taken that way, I apologize, but there was never any profanity directed at any person. The so-called profanity that was suggested Was in terms of describing the activity, not as a personal attack. But if that person feels affronted by that, do apologize. However, I Want to point out that there was no intent whatsoever to do that.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR MAITLAND) Senator DeAngelis, you wish to proceed? You've been recognized on 1739. SENATOR DeANGELIS: Okay.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR MAITLAND) I'm I'm sorry. Senator Lapaille, for what purpose do you ariser slr? SENATOR LaPAILLE: Yes. On a point of personal privilege.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR MAITLAND) State your point, sir. SENATOR LaPAILLE: Senator DeAngellsr in his explanation -- many people don 't know that Senator DeAngells just returned from Italy Where he did take a course in the ''Italian Parliament School of Etiquettelv and that's basically the interchange that occurred. And understand now we want to 1et you -- a1l of you understand it.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR MAITLAND) ll3  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day May l9r 1993 Senator Demuzio, for whae purpose do you rise, slr?

On this bill.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR MAITLAND) On this bill. Senator DeAngelis, you -- you may proceed. Senator DeAngelis, your bill. SENATOR DeANGELIS: House Bill 1739 ls a bill that was sent over to us by -- from DCCA , and it -- it permits the use of financlal intermediaries for the State to leverage public monies against private investments while reducing administrative overhead. What this basically does is it sets up a loan program for those companies who are in need of equity or who are in need of loans, and blends them in With the private sector. Senator Klemm put an amendment on which took out what he thought was objectionabley and that is dealing with bank holding companies. And a second amendment was offered to make it an immediate effective date. Be happy to answer any questions. PRESIDJNG OFFICERJ (SENATOR MATTLAND) Is there discussion? Senator Demuzlo.

Thank you very much, Mr. Presidentp Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. Here's another command, another command to DCCA to do sometbing that they apparently didn 't have the innovative or creative idea to come and ask us some -- a long time ago. We are now building up DCCA to -- again, to be one of the biggest bureaucracies State government. We've had a number of bills that have commanded them to do this and do that, and create this task force and that force, and study this and do that. And here 's another one of those commands that we're giving to DCCA . Next year they 'll probably be in for the sixty-five millicn dollars that We've cut out of their budget for the last tWo years.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR MAITLAND) ll4  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Leglslative Day May l9r 1993 Further discussion? Further discussion? Senator DeAnçelis, you wish to close? SENATOR DeANGELIS: Well, this bill was debated in committee, and, Senator Demuzio, you were as.wrong in your statements in committee as you are right now. This does not require any additional funding, does not, in fact, really expand. What it doesr allows the movement of money in a little different area. urge a favorable roll call on this vote.

PRESIDING OEFICER: (SENATOR MAITLAND) The questlon shall House Bill 1739 pass. Those in favor will vote Aye. Opposed, Nay. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have a1l voted who wish? Have a11 voted Who wish? Take the record, Mr. Secretary. On that question, there are 58 Ayes, no Naysy no Members voting Present. House Bill 1739, having received the required constitutional majority, is declared passed. Resolutions, Mr. Secretary. Top of page l7. Secretary 's Desk, Resolutions. Senate Resolution 138. Senator Dudycz. Out of the record. Senate Resolution 232. Senator O 'Malley. Mr. Secretary, read the resolution.

Senate Resolution 232, offered by Senator O'Ma11ey.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR MAITLAND) Senator O 'Ma11ey.

Thank you, Mr. President and Members of the Senate. Senate Resolution 232 urges the State <sic> Revenue Committee to Work with public and private groups to conduct a comprehensive study of the State's Tax system and to submit recommendations for change to the Illinois General Assembly not later than December 1, 1993. believe an objective and comprehensive study will provide the factual information we need to help us overhaul our tax system r to l15  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day MaY 1993 the extent it's necessary, to make it more simplified, fair, efficient, reliable and responsive to the needs of Illinois citizens.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR MAITLAND) Any discussion? Senator Demuzio.

Well, thank you very much. I -- I have to chuckle to myself on this one. This commands, by legislationr the State <sic> Revenue Committee to conduct a comprehensive study of the Illinois Tax system and to submit that recommendation for change back to us by December the 1st of 1993. Senator O'Malley, why don't you just tap your seatmate on the shoulder over there and ask him , as the Chairman of the Revenue Committee -- if he would , indeed: have a task force to study taxes in Illinois and use whatever staff and whatever we have just to do it without legislation. As a matter of fact: to be honest with you, this will be very costly, and if there's anybody in this State that believes that we in the General Assembly can take an objective and comprehensive study of taxation in Illinois and come up with a -- a good recommendation, -- is silly. This thing ought to be -- if you're going to do a study, 1et the Taxpayers ' Federation, or somebody who knows somethlng about taxes, do it. Take a look at the Legislative Record. We are the worst people to be doing a study on taxes in Illinois.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR MAITLAND) Further dlscussion? Senator Karpiel.

Thank you thank you: Mr. President. I just stand in strong support of this resolution. The the -- oh, I don't know -- AARP organization, American Association of Retired Persons, in their May 1993 legislative report, strongly supports a study of this -- of this -- the revenue system. And in a letter that received fron AARP, they also did. So I think this is a very good 1l6  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day May 19, 1993 idea. There are a lot of groups around the State waiting for us to make a study and to do something about our property tax system, our tax system, our revenuesr and I thlnk this is a good start. If not the Revenue Committee -- if they don't know anything about revenue: we're big trouble in this Assembly.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR MAITLAND) Further discussion? Eurther discussion? Senator O 'Malley, you wish to close: sir?

Thank you, Mr. President and Members of the Senate. Thank you for hearing me on this. Let me just briefly respond to Senator Demuzio, if he 's -- oh, there he is. know . Thls -- you're absolutely right. We can't we cannot mandate that this be done, because we're elected officials. We can't mandate that we wl11 work together to do the right thing. But what this resolution does is urge us to do that, and being a Member of the Revenue Comnittee and knowing those Members who are on itr strongly believe that We'll work together to do precisely what this resolution calls for. I also would suggest to you that we were to -- we were to work, under the resolution, w1th public and private sources, and the Taxpayer's Federation indeed is going to be involved. They are strongly -- proponents for this and have made that clear. And I also am very appreciatlve to have AARP'S approval. So agaln, to the Members of the Senate, I would request your support of this important resolutlon. Thank you.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR MAITLAND) Senator O 'Malley has moved the adoption of Senate Resolution 232. Those in favor will vote Aye. Opposed, Nay. The voting is open. Have a11 voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have a1l voted who wish? Take the record, Mr. Secretary. On that question, there are 54 Ayes, no Naysr no Members voting Present. Senate Resolution 232 is adopted . House Joint Resolution l17  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day May l9, 1993 Senator Lauzen. Read the resolutionr Mr. Secretary.

House Joint Resolution 6: offered by Senator Lauzen.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR MAITLAND) Senator Lauzen.

Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate, House Joint Resolution No . 6 simply urges the United States Food and Drug Administration to expedite the approval of drugs that address women's health problems. Would ask for your support on this resolution.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR MAITLAND) Is there discussion? Is there discussion? Senator Lauzen, you wish to close? Senator Lauzen has moved the adoption of Senate <sic> (House) Joint Resolution No. 6. Those in favor, say Aye. Opposed, Nay. The Ayes have it, and the resolution is adopted. House Joint Resolution No. l3. Senator Ralph Dunn. Read the resolution, Mr. Secretary.

House Joint Resolution l3, offered by Senators Ralph Dunn and Severns.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR MAITLAND) Senator Ralph Dunn.

Thank you, Mr. President. Members of the Senate, this has created a Library Task Force to study the problem of library finance throughout the State, including public and nonpublic, academic and special libraries. The Task Force Will consist of seventeen members: Secretary of State, ex officio State Librarian, who shall chair the force, and then each Legislative Leader shall appoint two legislators, one librarian and one public member with expertise ln finance and government. They 're to report back to ll8  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day May l9, 1993 the Governor and General Assembly by January 1st, 1995. I'd urge adcption of -- House Joint Resolution

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR MAITLAND) Is there discussion? Senator Welch.

Thank you. Why don't we just combine this With the Revenue Committee study, and We'll get two for the price of one?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR MAITLAND) Further discussion? Further discussion? Senator Dunnr you wish to close, sir? Senator Dunn moves the adoption of House Joint Resolution No . l3. Those -- those in favor will vote Aye. Opposed, Nay. The voting is open. Have a11 voted who wish? Have al1 voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Take the record, Mr. Secretary. On that question, there are 58 Ayes, no Nays, no Members voting Present. House Joint Resolution No. 13 is adopted. House Joint Resolution No. l5. Senator Tom Dunn. Read the resolution, Mr. Secretary.

House Joint Resolution 15, offered by Senator Tom Dunn.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR MAITLAND) Senator Dunn.

Thank you, Mr. President. This resolution creates the Joint Task Force to study health problems that have afflicted Gulf War veterans. There's no cost involved in this. The membership is comprised of the Director of Public Health, and Veteran Affairs, as well as allowing the ''Four Tops'l to appoint Members of the General Assembly. I urge a favorable adoption.

PRESIDING OEFICER: (SENATOR MAITLAND) Is there discussion? Is there discussion? Senator Dunn, you wish to close, sir? Senator Dunn, you wish to close?

Ll9  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day May l9r 1993 Urge an Aye vote.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR MAITLAND) Senator Dunn has moved the adoption of House Joint Resolution No. l5. Those in favor Will -- will vote Aye. Opposed, vote Nay . The voting is open. Have a1l voted Who Wish? Have al1 voted who wish? Have a11 voted Who wish? Take the record, Mr. Secretary. On that question, there are 58 Ayes, no Naysr no Members voting Present. House Joint Resolution 15 is adopted. Senate Joint Resolution 19. Senator Topinka . Read the resolution, Mr. Secretary.

Senate Joint Resolution l9, offered by Senator Topinka. The Committee on Executive adopted Amendment No .

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR MAITLAND) Senator Topinka.

Yes. Mr. President and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate, this resolution would seek to create a special task force to study the future needs of the Chicago Transit Authority and to study the best way to meet those needs. We have had support from the CTA, from the RTA , from the chairman of the RTA , from all of those Who would be touched by this. What we're attempting to do is to -- to get some kind of answers on whether or not we should seek the rehabilitation of current threatened lines or the abandcnment of current threatened lines with suggestions for replacement of something of equal merit, convenience and locatlonr or any new forms of public transportation or cther considerations that -- that mlght take the place of those things which We might Wish to abandon or not reinstate. We do have a reporting deadline. don't know of anybody in opposition at this point.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR MAITLAND) Is there discussion? Is there discussion? Senator Topinka, l20  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day May l9, 1993 you wish to close?

Just to seek a favorable roll call, sir.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR MAITLAND) Senator Topinka moves the adoption of.senate Joint Resolution 19. Those ln favor Will vote Aye. Opposed, Nay. The votin: is open. Have a11 voted who Wish? Have a11 voted who wish? Have al1 voted Who wish? Take the record, Mr. Secretary. On that question, there are 57 Ayes, no Nays, no Members voting Present. Senate Joint Resolution 19 is adopted. Senate Joint Resolution No . 20. Senator Topinka. Read the resolution, Mr. Secretary.

Senate Joint Resolution 20, offered by Senator Topinka. The Committee on Executive adopted Amendnent No.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR MAITLAND) Senator Tcpinka.

Mr. President and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate, this would create a task force to study the need for legislation to adequately provide for the enforcement of the Pollution Control Board's regulation on diesel emissions. We have sought to try and include a11 of those players who would -- would be involved in this. We have spoken to the Mid-West Truckers. Apparently they had some initial opposition. They now have no opposition in fact would like to be represented at the table. What this ultimately does - and I thlnk we can a1l relate to it is that many of our constituents consistently object or -- or at least go reticently to have their car engines tested for emissions and so on, and then would question why it is that trucks and buses and all thcse who use diesel can continue to chug and -- and send out these clouds of smoke, and Why them and not me - that type of thing. This seeks to address that issue and to come up with a l21  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day May l9, 1993 program that is practical, doable, sensible, commercially viable and still gets the job done. To my knowledge, again, no one is in opposition. We've worked with a1l parties, and I would seek a favorable roll call.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR MAITLAND) Is there discussion? Is there discussion? Senator Topinka, you wish to close?

Just to seek a favorable roll call.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR MAITLAND) Senator Topinka moves the adoption of Senate Joint Resolution 20. Those in favor will vote Aye. Opposed, Nay. The voting is open. Have a11 voted who wish? Have all voted Who wish? Have a1l voted who wish? Take the record, Mr. Secretary. 0n that question, there are 55 Ayes, no Nays, 2 Members voting Present. Senate Joint Resolution 20 is adopted. Senate Joint Resolution 44. Senator Philip. Read the resolutionr Mr. Secretary.

Senate Joint Resolution 44, offered by Senators Philip, Weaver and others.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR MAITLAND) Senator Philip.

Thank your Mr. President and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. Senate Joint Resolution 44 would create a statewide commission to study the five State funded retirement funds. You know, I've been around here a long time, and anybody Who has been around here a long time understands we're underfunded, and we 're a little nervous about it, quite frankly. As you know, there 's a National Association of Pension Funds. They rate the twelve Worst states; they call 'em the ''Dirty Dozen''. I hate to tell you, but Illinois is the fourth worst out of the fifty states. So this is l22  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day May l9p 1993 an attempt, quite franklyr to do something about to study it. It has a reporting date of July 1, 1994. The Speaker of the House, Mike Madigan, is going to be the House sponsor. I'd be happy to answer any questions. Move the adoption of Senate Joint Resolution 44.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR MAITLAND) Is there dlscussion? Is there discussion? Senator Philip, you wish to close, sir? Senator Philip has moved the adoption of Senate Joint Resolution 44. Those in favor wl11 vote Aye. Opposed, Nay. The voting is open. Have a11 voted who wish? Have a11 voted who wish? Have a11 voted who wish? Take the recordr Mr. Secretary. On that question, there are 58 Ayes, no Nays, no Members voting Present. Senate Joint Resolution ls adopted -- Senate Jolnt Resolution 44 is adopted. Senate Joint Resolution 45. Senator Fawell. Out of the record. Senate Joint Resolution Senator del Valle. Read the resolution, Mr. Secretary.

Senate Joint Resolution offered by Senator de1 Valle. The Committee on Executive adopted Amendment No .

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR MAITLAND) Senator del Valle. SENATOR dEL VALLE: Thank you, Mr. President. Senate Joint Resolution 51 encourages *he Department of Aging and the Department of Rehab Services to seek the advice of advocaEe groups for *he disabled and senior citizens in drafting guidelines for the protection of home health care workers. The guidelines shall includer but not be limited toy hours of employment, Wages, health care and other benefits. And the resolution requires the DOA and DORS to submit a report to the Governor and the General Assembly concerning the guidelines on or before January of

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR MAITLAND) 123  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day May 19, 1993 Is there discussion? Is there discussion? Senator de1 Valle: you wish to close, sir? SENATOR dEL VALLE: I ask for an Aye vote.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR MAITLAND) Senator del Valle -- moves the adoption of Senate Joint Resolution 5l. Those in favor, say Aye. Opposedr Nay. The Ayes have it, and the resolution is adopted . Senate Joint Resolution 54. Senator Mahar. Read the resolution, Mr. Secretary.

Senate Joint Resolution 54y offered by Senators Mahar and Fawell.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR MAITLAND) Senator Mahar.

Thank you, Mr. President and Members. Senate Jolnt Resolution 54 urges our Congressional Delegation to lobby Congress and the President to locate the magnetic levitation train test facility site in Illinois. -- For those that don't know. magnetic levitation trains are the premier design worldwide train travel that will enable people to travel on trains up to three hundred miles an hour. There's two reasons to locate this in Illinols. First of all, the six hundred thousand dollars that it costs to design -- to design the technology by Argonne Was paid for by the citizens in Illinois through a State grant. Secondly, whichever state gets the test facility, which is about twenty-five million dollars: will enjoy the corresponding industry which will surround it, to build the -- to build the superstructure, as Well as the tralns and whatnot. So, this could be a tremendous economic -- positive economic impact to our State, and I would urge adoption of Senate Joint Resolution 54.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR MAITLAND) l24  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day May l9, 1993 Is there discussion? Is there discussion? Senator Mahar moves the adoption of Senate Joint Resolution 54. Those in favor, say Aye. Opposed, Nay. The Ayes have it: and the resolution is adopted. Senator Woodyard, for what purpose do you arise, sir? SENATOR WOODYARD: . Thank you, Mr. President, Members of the Senate. I have a congratulatory resolution, Senate Resolution 465, and at this time, I'd like to move for the suspension of the proper rules for immediate consideration.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR MAITLAND) Senator Woodyard moves to suspend the rules for the purpose of the immediate consideration and adoption of Senate Resolutlon 465. Those in favor, say Aye. Opposedy Nay. The Ayes have it, and the rules are suspended. Senator Senator Woodyard has moved for the adoption of Senate Resolution 465. Those in favor, say Aye. Opposed, Nay. The Ayes have it, and the motion is adopted . Resolutions, Mr. Secretary.

Senate Resolution 477, offered by Senator Hall and a1l Members. Senate Resolution 478, offered by Senator Topinka. And Senate Resolutlon 479, offered by Senator Geo-Karis. Theyfre death and congratulatory resolutions, Mr. President.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR MAITLAND) Consent Calendar.

Senate Resolution 480, offered by Senators Shaw, Raica and Jones. It's substantive.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR MAITLAND) Senator Shaw , for What purpose do you arise, sir?

l25  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day MaY 1993 Yes. Thank you, Mr. President. I move for immediate -- for the -- suspend the appropriate rule for immediate consideration of Senate Resolution 480.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR MAITLAND) Senator Shaw moves to suspend the rules for the purpose of the immediate consideration and adoption of Senate Resolution 480. Those in favor, say Aye. Opposed, Nay. The Ayes have it, and the rules are suspended. Senator Shaw now moves for the adoption of Senate Resolution 480. Those in favor, say Aye. Opposed , Nay. The Ayes have and the motion is adopted. A11 right. The Senate will stand in recess until the hour of p.m, at which time we will simply read in the Rules Report. There will be no other business to take place at that time. Senator Donahue, for what purpose do you arlse?

Thank you, Mr. President. I wculd request a very quick Republican Caucus in President Pate Phillp 's offlce now right nOW .

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR MAITLAND) That request is in order. Senator Demuzio, what...

- - I didn't hear you. Is Rules still going to meet at 2:30?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR MAITLAND) That is correct. Further discussion? Senator -- the Senate stands recess the hour of p .m. (SENATE STANDS IN RECESS) (SENATE RECONVENES) 126  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day MaY 1993

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senate will come to order. Committee Reports.

Senator Weaver, Chair of the Commlttee on Rules, reports that the following Legislative Measures have been assigned to committees: to the Conmittee on Agriculture and Conservation Senate Amendment l to House Bill 1854) to the Appropriations Committee - Senate Amendment 3 to House Bill 917, Amendments 3 and 4 to House Bill 1243, Amendments 2, 4 and 5 to House Bill 1244, Amendment 2 to House Bill 1245, Amendments 4, 6 and 7 to Hcuse Bill 1246, Amendments 4: and 6 to House Bill 1247, Amendments 2 and 3 to House Bill 1525, Amendment 2 to House Bill 1693, Amendment 2 to House Bill 1721, Amendment 2 to House Bill 1885, and Amendment 1 to House Bill 22037 to the Committee on Education Senate Amendment 3 to House Bill 701, Amendnent 1 to House Bill 1695, and Amendment 3 to House Bill 2062; to the Committee on Environment and Energy - Senate Amendment l to House Bill 1163, Amendment to House Bill 1316, Amendment 4 to House Bill 1479, and Amendment l to House Bill 18217 to the Executive Committee - Senate Amendments 3, 4 and 5 to House Bill 203, Amendments 3, 4 and 5 to House Bill 1886: and Amendment 2 to House Bill 21237 to the Committee on Insurance, Pensions and Licensed Actlvities Senate Amendments 1, 2 and 3 to House Bill 23077 to the Committee on Judiciary - Senate Amendment 1 to House Bill 246, Amendment to House Bill 767, and Amendment 3 to House Bill 9357 to the Committee on Local Government and Elections - Senate Amendments l2# 13r 14 and 15 to House Bill 176: to the Committee on State Government Operations and Executive Appointments Senate Amendment l to House Bi1l 248) and Be Approved for Consideration - Senate Amendment l to House Bill 419, Amendment 3 to House Bill 564, Amendment 2 to House Bi11 766, Amendment 1 to House Bill 1040, and Senate Amendment to House Bi11 1313. l27  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day May 19, 1993

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Messages.

A Message from the House, by Mr. Rossi, Clerk. Mr. President am dlrected to inform the Senate that the House of Representatives has concurred With the Senate in the passage of a bill of the following title, to wit: Senate Bill 90, together With the following amendment, which is attached, in the adoption of which I am instructed to ask the concurrence of the Senate, to wit: House Amendment 1 to Senate Bill 90. We have like Messages on Senate Bill 159, With House Amendments lr 2, 3, 4 and 6; Senate Bill 273, with House Amendment No . Senate Bill 418, With House Amendment No . Senate Bill 614, with House Amendment No . 1) Senate Bill 651, With House Amendments and Senate Bill 714, with House Amendment No. 17 Senate Bill 730, with House Amendment No. 22 Senate Bill 759, with House Amendment No . and Senate Bill 1078, with House Amendment No. 3. A11 passed the Houser as amendedr May 19, 1993. Erom Anthony D. Rossi, Clerk of the House.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) For what purpose does Senator Raica arise?

Thank you, Mr. President, for the purpose of a committee announcement, I may.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Certainly.

Thank you for your courtesy. The Calendar shows the Local Government and Electtons Committee meeting tomorrow at 8:30 in Room A-l of the Stratton. Instead, we kill meet at 9:15 9:15 in l28  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day May l9, 1993 A-1 of the Stratton for Local Governnent. We should be out in five minutes. We only have three amendments. Thank you, Mr. President.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Thank you. For what purpose does Senator Madigan arise?

Just for purposes of an announcementr Mr. President. That on the scheduler there -- and we will meet as soon as possible on the Insurance, Pensions and Licensed Activities. It'll be a very brief meeting, and I would assume that we can do that immediately upon recess herey or adjournment.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Thank you -- thank you: Senator. Senator Madigan.

Thank you, Mr. Presldent. just want to clarify that to anybody that's listening that the Insurance Committee is scheduled to meet at 4 p .m. today. They -- we will meet either at 4 o 'clock or immediately upon recess or adjournment, as to whatever our schedule is for the remainder of the day.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) We will be adjourning shortly, Senator Madigan. Senator Molaro, for what purpose do you arise?

Yes, Mr. President, a question of the Chair, please?

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) State your point.

When we convened at 3 o 'clock, our side of the aisle sometimes doesn't have a1l their Members; the Republicans are noted for having them, and I was just wonderlng if there Was a party that someone's throwing that the seven or eight of us were not -- we weren't invited to. And I thought... l29  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day May 19, 1993

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) There must be something golng on.

Is there anything that you 're aware ofr Mr. President? PRESIDING OFFICER: .(SENATOR WEAVER) There must be something going on. Senator Maitland , for what purpose do you arise?

Thank you very much, Mr. President and Members of the Senate. The Senate Committee on Appropriaticns will meet at -- meet in Room 2l2 at 5:30.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) For what purpose does Senator Karpiel arise?

Thank you thank you, Mr. President. Simply to announce to a11 Senators who are within my hearingy khat there Will be a committee -- Executive Committee at 4 o 'clock in Room 212. Al1 those that have amendments in the Executive Committee, please be prompt. END OF TAPE TAPE 4

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Mr. Secretary?

Senator Weaver, Chair of the Committee on Rules, reports thaE the following corrected report was filed: Senate Amendments 4 and 5 to House Bill 1886 were 130  STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 55th Legislative Day May 19, 1993 inadvertently referred to the Executive Committee. They have been referred to the Committee on Judiciary.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Resolutions.

Senate Resolutions 481, 482, 483 and 484, a1l by Senator Lauzen. They're al1 congratulatoryr Mr. President.

PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Consent Calendar. Is there any further business to bring * before the Senate? If not, Senator Woodyard moves the Senate adjourn until Thursday, May 20th, at the hour of noon. We stand adjourned. REPORT: TIFLDAY STATE CF ILLIMOIS 94/11/28 PAGE: 001 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY 15:06:15 SENATE DAILY TRANSCRIPTION OF DEBâTE INDEX MAY 19, 1993 HB-00k5 THIRD READING HB-01T6 RECALLED HB-0184 RECALLED HB-0317 RECALLED H8-0328 RECALLED HB-0462 RECALLED HB-049R THIRD READING HB-056% RECALLED HB-0609 THfRD REâDING HB-064) THIRD READING HB-0819 THIRD REâDIMG H8-0967 THIRD READIMG HB-0980 THIRD REZDING HB-1O39 THIRD REZDING HB-1125 THIRD REZDING HB-119M THIRD REZDING HB-1261 THIRD READING HB-13k1 THfRD READING HB-137k THIRD REâDIMG HB-1R11 THIRD READING HB-1M27 THIRD READING HB-1k6M THIRD READING HB-1k98 THIRD REZDING H8-1575 THIRD READING H8-1637 THIRD REZDIMG HB-16k2 THIRD READING HB-16k2 THIRD READIMG HB-16)2 0UT OF RECORD HB-1643 THIRD READING H8-1739 THIRD READING HB-17k6 RECALLED H8-1778 THIRD REZDING HB-185k SECOMD READING HB-1902 THIRD REZDING H8-2097 THIRD READING H8-2163 THIRD REZDIMG H8-2242 THIRD READING H8-2375 THIRD REâDIMG 5R-0232 ADOPTED SR-0q65 ADOPTED 5R-0468 RESOLUTION OFFERED SR-0q69 RESOLUTIOM OFFERED SR-0470 RESOLUTIOK OFFERED SR-0q71 RESOLUTIOM OFFERED SR-0M72 RESOLUTIOM OFFERED SR-OM73 RESOLUTION OFFERED SR-ORTR RESOLUTICN OFFERED SR-0k75 RESOLUTION OFFERED 5R-0476 RESOLUTION OFFERED 3R-0477 RESOLUTIOM OFFERED SR-0q78 RESOLUTION OFFERED SR-0q79 RESOLUTIOM OFFERED SR-0480 ADOPTED SR-0480 RESOLUTIOM OFFERED SR-0q81 RESOLUTIOM OFFERED SR-0M82 RESOLUTIOM OFFERED SR-0M83 RESOLUTIOM OFFERED SR-0q8k RESOLUTION OFFERED HJR-0006 ADOPTED HJR-0O13 âDOPTED HJR-0O15 ADOPTED HJR-OOkO RESCLUTICK OFFERED SJR-0019 ADOPTED SJR-002O ADOPTED REPORT: TIFLDAY STATE OF ILLINOIS 94/11/28 PAGE: 002 88TH GENERAL ASSEHBLY 15:06:15 SENâTE DAILY TRANSCRIPTION OF DEBâTE INDEX MAY 19, 1993 SJR-OO#V ZDOPTED PAGE 122 SJR-0051 ADOPTED PAGE 123 SJR-005R ADOPTED PAGE 12V SDBJPCT MATTBR SEMATE TO ORDER-PRESIDEMT PHILIP PAGE 1 PRAYER-DR. ESTROP PAGE 1 JOURNZL-APPROVED PAGE 1 JOURNALS-POSTPONED PAGE 1 HESSâGE FROH THE HOUSE PAGE 1 INTRODUCTION OF GUESTS-SENZTOR JONES PAGE 7 GUEST SPEAKER-HR. KEHZ FROH KENYA PAGE 8 RECESS PAGE 126 SEMATE RECCNVEMES PAGE 126 COHMITTEE REPORTS PAGE 127 HESSâGES FROH THE HOUSE PAGE 128 COHMITTEE REPORTS PAGE 130 ADJOURNHENT PAGE 131