Senator Weaver, Chair of the Committee an Rules, reports khat the following legislative measures have been assigned to committees: Re-referred fron the Rules Committee to the Senate Floor to Be Approved for Considerationw House Bill 795. And Be Approved for Consideration, Senate Amendment 4 to House Bill 525.
Senator Donahue.
Thank you. would like to request a Republican Caucus immediately in Senatar Pate Philip's Office.
Thank you, Senator. Senator Cullerton.
Thank your Mr. President and Members of the Senate. I would like to request a Democratic Caucus to meet immedlately in Senator Jones' Office.
Thank you, Senator Cullerton. Let me try to give you an idea of the sehedule, because we have some Members that -- that do not want to stay overnight, and I can understand that. Tt would be the intent cf the Chalr to have the Caucuses over with by 1:30, quarter to twor come out here and take a vote and -- and adjourn, so tha* nobody has Eo stay overnight; everybody can go home. So that would be the intent of the Chair. The Senate will stand at ease until a quarter to two. (SENATE STANDS AT EASE) STATE OF ILLINOIS i 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY FIRST SPECIAL SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 8th Legislative Day Septezber 20y 1993 (SENATE RECONVENES) ! I
The Senate will please come to order. 2nd Readings. Senator Watson, do you -- do you wish House B1ll 525 to return to 2nd I Reading for the purpose of an amendment? SENATOR WATSON: ! Yes, I do. l
Senator Watson seeks leave of the Body to return House Bill : 525 to the Order of 2nd Reading for the purpose of an amendment. Hearlng no objections, leave is granted. The Order of 2nd Readingr House Bill 525. Mr. Secretary, read the bill. Are there ; any Floor amendments approved for consideration? SECRETARY HARRY: ! Amendments No. l and 2 -- or Amendnene No. lz offered by ! Senators Watson and Phllip. PRESIDENT PHILIP : ! , Senator Watson. !
Mr. President, I'd like to have leave to table Amendnent No . l 1. PRESIDENT PHILIP: ! Senator Watson seeks leave to anend -- to table Amendment No. l to House Bll1 525. Al1 those in favor, signify by saying Aye. Those opposed, Nay. Ayes have it. Senate Amendment No. l is tabled. Any further Ploor amendments?
Anendment No. 2, offered by Senator O'Malley and others.
Senator O 'Malley. I 3 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY FIRST SPECIAL SESSION SENATE TRANSERIPT 8th Legislative Day Septenber 20, 1993
Thank you, Mr. President. I seek leave to table Amendment No.
Senator O'Malley seeks leave to table Amendment No. to House Bill 525. A11 those in favorr signlfy by saying Aye. Those opposed, Nay. Ayes have it. The amendment is tabled. Any further amendnents?
Amendnent No . 4, offered by Senators Watson, Philip and O 'Malley.
Senator Watson.
Yes. Thank you, Mr. President. Amendment No. 4 noW becomes the bill. The orlginal legislation dealt with regional superintendents of school and educational service centers. That's no longer a provision. What we do with Amendment No. is roll in a major portlon of Amendment No. 1 and Amendment No. 2, together, and we 've come up with Amendnent No. 4. There are some changes, but 1111 basically go khrough and tell you what -- what the bill does. The -- establishes a bonding authority of two hundred and seventy-five million dollarsr and that's to be divided into two years: a hundred and twenty million the first year, and a hundred and fifty-five million the second year. It -- it impacts the Chapter 1 Programz by which the money follows the kid, so to speak, and We freeze that for tWo more years, and that has an impact of around thirty-five million dollars each year for two years. We decrease the School Finance Authoriey 's reserve restriction by some ten millton dollars for the Fiscal Year '93 and We remains a financlal problem of ninety-tko million dollars, which We say should be negotiated by the Chicago 4 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMDLY PIRST SPECIAL SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 8th Leqislative Day September 20, 1993 Board of Education and the Teachers' Union to -- to ftll that financial hole. Welve put some reforms in the leqislationz many of whlch have been offered by the Mayor and others, but primarlly are a part of House Bill -- 2282. Eliminates the supernumeraries after a sixty-day notice of termination, and if they are rehired within a two-year period, they regain their tenure and seniority rights. The principal-in-charge issuer which is something, I think, that we've heard a great deal about, gives them full authority to direct and supervise a11 employees, and it eliminates some appeal rights of -- of those principals' orders. It changes the requirement for approval of a budget by the School Finance Authority from August 31st to August 15thr and the reason behind ' that is to give some reasonable time, we feel, for a response from ! the -- from the Board to try to negotiate a contract which is ultimately balanced . We include the Dalgy initiatives. The Mayor has had several proposals out before us to be discussed. We include many of those initiatives in this proposal. It reduces the time frame for financial plans that must be adopted by the Board and approved by the School Finance Authority from three years to two years. We allow a second window of opportunity for the Chicago public school teachers to retire - an early / retlrement. It repeals some of the School Finance Authority's reform powers. We felt that the School Pinanee Authority needs to be involved in more of the fiscal matters of the Board of Educatton and Chicago public schools, and therefore: we've taken away some of those refarm powers from them. Requires persons elected or appointed to the local school councils to file a written statenent of economic interest. We eliminate the subdistrict superintendents, and we allow princlpals to award contracts up to ten thousand dollars, With the endorsement of the local school council. Those are primarily What *e would call Mayor Daley 's initiatives. A work rule change, in khich the I 5 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY PIRST SPECIAL SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 8th Legislative Day September 20: 1993 School Finance Authority has asked us to consider, We felt was important and we should include lt, and that Would say that changes from seventy percent to fifty-one percent the vote necessary by teachers in a particular building to change Work rules. This is very important, as far as the School Finance Authority and, I imagine, the Chicago Board of Educationz in regard to some flexibtlity in the work rules in each individual building. This says a simple majority would be required to make those necessary changes. We give some broad financial powers to the School Flnance Authoriey, once again goinq back to the philosophy that ke want to see the School Finance Authority more involved in the financial matters of the Chicago public schools. We give them considerable more authority and power. We we authorize the appointment of an inspector general to investigate charges of waster fraud and mismanagement. We -- we tell the Board or the Authority to monitor and reserve -- the Authorlty to monitor and reserve expenditures and oppose hiring controls. We require the Authority to conduct periodic management auditsr and we make the -- the School Flnance Authority approval over a11 contracts that would be permanent. We also include a provision that would say khat in 1995, there would be a referendum, and we authorize the Chicago 's Finance -- the School Finanee Authority to place on the ballot in Chicago in the April, 1995 election, the propositton of increasing the Chicago Board of Education's tax rate by up to forty cents. And if approved by the voters, the Chicago Board would be authorized then Eo levy two dollars and fifty-one cents, plus the SFA 'S difference tax rate. That pretty well sums up the -- the amendment, Mr. President, and 1'11 be glad to answer any questions.
Discussion? Senator Berman: for what purpose do you rise?
6 ' STATE OF ILLINOIS I 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY ! ' FIRST SPECIAL SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 8th Legislative Day September 20z 1993 Thank your Mr. President. May I suggest that We take a roll call on Amendment 4 and debate... PRESIDENT PHILIP: That -- that request is always in order. You will have a roll call. SENATOR BERMAN: ! And debate the merits on 3rd Reading... PRESIDENT PHILIP: i I think that's a great idea. Thank you, Senator Berman. If there is no further discussion... Senator Rea, for what purpose do you rise? SENATOR REA : Point of order. In terms of the last Session that We hadr I : had -- on the Floor of the Senate: had my name removed and also filled oue a slip on House Bill 525. I PRESIDENT PHILIP: The record Will certainly indicake. Any further discussion? ! Senator Watson. SENATOR WATSON: I ! Yes, thank you. I just move its adoption. PRESIDENT PHILIP: ! I A11 those in favor, signify by saying Aye. Those opposedr Nay. Ayes have it. The amendment is adopted . 3rd Reading. I I ! I thought the sugqestion was made by Senator Berman, we would have -- that -- to just try to put lt on, keep the debate, and only vote on lt one Eime. SenaEor Bernan. I'n just trying to make it ' easier for everybody else. i SENATOR BERMAN: ! Mr. President, I asked that we had a roll call on Amendment 4 ; and then we would debate lt on 3rd Reading if it carried on the ' roll call. PRESIDENT PHILIP: ! 7 STATE 0F ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY FIRST SPECIAL SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 8th Legislaeive Day September 20, 1993 Senator Watson, on the Order of 3rd Reading . You f11 -- you '11 get your roll call on 3rd Reading. Just relax. Senatcr Watson.
Well, once again, I would appreciate a favorable vote. This is a roll call on the amendment. Is that correct, Mr . President?
Mr. Secretary, read the bill.
House Bill 525. (Secretary reads title of bl11) 3rd Readin: of the bill.
Senator Watson .
Okay. Nowz this is 3rd Readinq, final passage, and I want everybody to understand that. What we're going to do now is debate, I guess, the merlts of *he amendment, whtch were just explained. So T will go with my explanatlon of the amendment and answer any questions , and welcome the debate .
Senator Berman. Senator Jones, for what purpose do you rise?
Thank you , Mr. President . You know , it always has been the policy of this Senate to afford the Members a roll call whenever the Members ask of such, and that Was the request that was made by Senator Berman. We did not want to be on rêcord ln voting for this b1l1 that's going to rob *he poor people of the City of Chicago schools . And for you to deny a vote on that is not acting in *he best interest of a11 the Members. I respectfully request that you go back to 2nd, allow a vote on the amendment . We did nct want to be recorded as such. And Senator Berman so specifically stated that we would not debate the merits on 2nd 8 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY FIRST SPECIAL SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT . 8th Legislative Day September 20, 1993 Reading, but we only wanted to have a roll call on such. And I thlnk that We are entitled tc such, and I -- I think you dre moving the bill to 3rd Reading without even giving him the request that he asked for, which every Member in this Chamber heard. So, Mr. President, I wish you would put the bill back on 2nd and give the Membership a roll call on khe amendment.
l senator Jones, I night renind you, the amendment is the bill. So, it doesn't make any difference whatsoever. You're going to I have a vote on it, and you're going to have your say-so. You will get your vote. Further questions? Senatcr Berman. 1 .
Thank you, Mr. President. Let me just agatn state that my I request for a roll call was -- was made and that you moved the bill without taking a roll call. For the record, 1et me indicate that if a roll call had been taken, I am very kell convinced that every Senator on this side of the aisle would have voted No on the motion to adopt this amendment. Now, on the bill as amended, Mr. President and Members of the Senate, let me address a couple of points as to the specifics and then address the bill overall. A couple of weeks ago, a consortium from the University of Chicago had done an extensive survey of Chicago School Reform khroughout ! the City of Chicago. That survey was published, and it found that over a third of the schools in Chicagc - and I'm talking about approximately over two hundred school buildings - have been making substantial progress under Chicago School Reform. That University of Chicago report polnted out that one of the major reasons or that kind of progress in schools that are -- that have some very# very difficult soclal problems was because of the avatlability of State Chapter 1 money. Let me explatn to you What that phrase means . We in the Illinois General Assembly appropriate hundreds of millions of dollars a year that We call State Chapter l, and 9 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY I FIRST SPECIAL SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 8th Legislative Day September 20, 1993 I that money goes to every school district or virtually every school I district in *he State based upon the number of pcor children that reside in that school district. Of a1l the school districts - and there are probably over eight hundred school districts that recetve State Chapter l money - every school district that gets State Chapter l money, their local school board determines hoW that money is to be spent. In only one school districtr namely Chicago, does that money flow not to the central Board of Education for its appropriation and expenditure, but rather to the local school building where that money is determined how it's going to be spent in Chicago at the site of that school building by the determination of the local school council, which includes parents, community representatives, teachers and the prlncipal. Because it is site-based determination of the needs of those poor children in that school, thls study has shown that substantial progress - educational progress - has been made at over two hundred school buildings in Chicago. House Bill 525: as amendedy would take ninety nillion dollars of that Chapter 1 money - fifty-five million dollars in this fiscal year and thirty-five millton dollars in the next fiscal year - take it away from site-based appropriation, away from the deternination of what those children need at that particular school and give it to Pershing Road, the headquarters of the Chicago public school system, to plug its budget needs. I would suggest to you that this ls in dlrect opposition to what Chicaqo School Reform is a11 about. Ninety million dollars taken away from the deternination of parents, teachers and principals for *he needs af children at that particular school and it's sent downtown. I keep hearinq about bureaucracy from my friends on *he other side of the aisley and you are giving ninety million dollars to be determined of how it's going to be spent by the HPershing Road Bureaucracyl'. That is one reason to vote No on this amendnent. Another reason to 10 STATE OF ILLTNOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY FIRST SPECIAL SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 8th Legislative Day September 20r 1993 I voteNoonthisamendment There is a proposed referendum to . f i determine whether the real estate tax levy in Chicago should be increased in order to better fund Chicago schools. NoW, there's ! nothing wrong with referendums. I -- part of my district includes communities that have gone to referendumr and they have increased their local property taxes to increase th8 funding of schools. / But there is something that bothers me about this mandated I l referendum. One, it's mandated. Since when do We mandate any referendums in Springfield? But in this amendnent, it's mandated. ( Springfield is going to tell Chtcago when to hold its referendum. And the date of the referendum . I find it very interesting that wedre dealing now... This is September. Qhere is some elections, ; nok in Chicagoy but cerkainly elections in suburban Cook County that are going to kake place November of 1993. That's not the date that's being suggested herer or mandated here. There's going I to be a primary election in March of 1994. That's not the date for this mandated referendum . There's going to be a November 1994 ! election in Cook County and Chicago. Thak's not the date for mandating this referendum. But for some reason, and I defer to ny friend, Senator O 'Malley, to explain Why, it was picked to have this mandated in the primary or the election of the Mayor in the City elections of 1995. Now, I'm sure that there's no political reason attached to this, when we are faced with problems not only in Chicago. but probably three hundred other school dlstriets that don't have balanced budqets. Why don 't we have these referenda f this November, next March, or next November of 194, instead of in the mayoral elections in Chicago in '95? I would suggest to you that that's another reason to vote No. And lasElyy Ladies and Gentleneny I don't think it's the role of the Illinois General Assembly to dictate the terms of collective bargaining agreements, and that's exactly what Welre doing here. I've spoken to members I oftheBoardandtheUnioninChicago. Theykellne thatkheyare 1 11 ' STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLX PIRST SPECIAL SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 8th Legislative Day Septenber 20, 1993 making progress. They are meeting as we are debating this. I suggest that what is proper for -- is for us to not take any action, certalnly not to pass House Bill 525 as amended, because ; : it's a waste of our time. It's a uaste of the taxpayers' time and money. The House isn't even in Session, and I don't understand , Why we're doing this. Allow collective bargaining to move forward as Illinois 1aw provides, then ue should respond, after the i collective bargaining has been completed. For those reasonsy Ladies and Gentlemen: I respectfully urge a No vote. l PRESIDENT PHILIP: ! Senator de1 Valle. SENATOR dEL VALLE: I Thank you, Mr. President. I also urge my colleagues on this side of the aisle, and even those on the other side of the aisle, I to vote No on House Bill 525. Senator Berman has outlined for us the importance of Chapter l funds to our schcols: but I think it bears repeating that the lifeblood af School Reform in Chicago, as i documented by several recent studies conducted by reputable institutions of higher education in the State of Illinois, that lifeblood is What we Want to drain from the system at this time. 1 ; That is a total contradiction to What we a11 state around herez in I i ; terms of how we feel about publlc education and the need to improve public education and making educatlon a priority. But let me tell you, Chapter l funds are being used to keep kids coming to I school. They dre belng used to make sure that klds are safe When they dre on their way to school, that kids are safe When they leave schools. Theydre being used by LSCS uho have determined that ! ! there's a need to beef up security at a school, so kids don't get shot outside the school building, so kids - little kids - ean Walk ! home to Ksic> school safely. LSCS are using Chapter l funds to deal with the cuts that the Board made of truant officers, to get ktds ta school. LSCS are using Chapter l funds to address the : 12 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY FIRST SPECIAL SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 8th Legislative Day September 20, 1993 ! priorities that they have identified through a local school nanagement model, the very model that every one around here says we need to develop further. And yet, We're talking about ninety ! million dollars. We're talking about taking, probably, the final step, the final step that'll truly destroy the Chicago public school system once and for all. Is that what the real plan is i here? Is the real plan to put the final nail in the coffin? Is that the way some of us see it around here? That's wrong. The : referendum. Mr. President, there was a glimmer of hope, a speck of light at the end of the tunnel when you indicated just recently ! that maybe we ought to consider a dollar-for-dollar exchange away from property taxes over to an income tax - a glimmer of hope . But What do we do in this bill? We're saying no. We're once ' again going in the opposite dlrection, and we're saying that property taxpayers that are already paying too much to support i public education in the State of Illinois are goin: to have to pay more. We talk about caps: caps in Cook County. We talk about caps in other parks of *he State. But what is this? I don 't i understand. Why is it that we tell the public one thing and then we turn around and try to legislate another? Subdistrlct offices. Thls bill eliminates the subdistrict offices. They have been reduced to almost nothing, but what is left is important to ensure conmunication, to ensure traininq opportunities for LSCS. We're going to wipe out those subdistrict offtces, and we're going to force six hundred schools to deal directly with the central offtce on a day-to-day basis. What sense dces that make? I don't know . I urge you to vote No on this bill.
Senator O'Malley.
Thank you, Mr. President, Members of the Senate. House Bill 525 as amended, before us today, has a number of provisions in it 1 13 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY FIRST SPECIAL SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 8th Legislative Day September 20, 1993 1 and a number Of provisions that are absent. Senator Watson did a very gcod job of detailing the entire bill. I Want to mention some of its provisions very shortly, and then I want to spend some time on one in particular. First of all, it has the Daley reform initiatives; something that we've heard about for months now. Two, there are no State funds involved in this. Wedve heard that too. And what -- and the amount of money that's provided for in funding provides sufficient capital to balance the school's budget. This also doesn't have pension diversion of any kind, and this is the only plan alive now that does not have a pension 1 diversion of sone kind included in it. I think that's very important for a11 of us ko carry out of these Chambers and make sure that the cltizens of Illinois know that We're naking a ' commitment today that we 're not going to do anything with pension funds. The fourth ltem thatls in there, and we've heard a lot of dlscussion about it, is the referendum - the mandated referendum for Chicago. Let's look at the facts. The Chicago Board of Education now has the authority to have a referendum , and theydve had that -- they've had that authority for many years, and yet, they've never exercised it. This is one of the very few school distrlcts that I know of in the State, and it's probably the only one, that hasn 't had to address a referendum question in decades. ! What's more important, however, is those people who decide what happens with money haven't been in front of the voters either. Who am I referring to? I'm talking about the Members of the Chicago Board of Education. They arenlt elected. What's *he value of a referendum, or What's the value of an election when we 're talking about school board members? Wefre talking about somethinq as slmple as accountabtlity. It's a simple wordr but it's an important word; because, when we have to present ourselves to the voters, we have to explain why they should support usr Why they should vote for us, why they should get behind cur 14 L. STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY FIRST SPECIAL SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 8th Levislative Day Septenber 20y 1993 initiatives and support us. ...lmachine cutoffl...submit to the Members of this Assenbly that the one thing in Illinois that should bring us together more than anything else is education. And yet, in the tine I've been here, the thing that I have found that divides us more than anything else is educatlon. And webre i divided regionally. We have downstate school districts. We have suburban school districts. We have Chicago. You know, I tell people back at homer a11 that has to happen is a downstater has to stand up and say: ''Guess what? If you tinker with this part of the school aid formula, this is going to cost your school district money.'' I'm not picking on the downstaters when I say that. A suburbanite can say the same thing. Bu* what happens, We al1 llne up resionally. We decider ''Uh-oh. That's golng to hurt our school dlstricts; therefore, we can't vote for it.'' Or, HMaybe we can vote for it, depending on the impaet it will have.'' The bill before us todayr in particular the provision that has the referendum question included, is an effort to change that. It's an effort to make the Chicago public schools more like other schools in the State of Illinols. You know, when we left here tWo Fridays ago, when I got home, sltting on my desk at home was my neighborhood newspaper. I hadn't had an opportunity ko read it 'cause I just got homer but I want to share the headllnes with everybody. For those who -- for those who can't read it: 'Ipalos Schcols Seek Ninety-cent Hike.'' That's the headline. ''Big Cuts Ahead If Increase Fails.'' What's the advantage of this referendum? First of all, I want to address What my good friendz Senator Berman, said . He said: Why was this date selected to have this referendum? Why is the election going to end up being out in 1995? Why not have it in 19947 And, Senator del Valle says: What are -- khat are we trying to do? Put the nail in the 1id of the coffin? Well, I submit to your the date was selected, Senator Berman, for precisely to avoid or attempt to avoid the ! 15 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY FIRST SPECIAL SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT ! 8th Legislative Day September 20, 1993 reason that Senator de1 Valle is talking about. Because I submit to you that if in 1994 you had this referendum, it Nould fail miserably. By having it in 1995, we have an opportunity to debate the merits of the existing system. It'11 encourage the Boardr or it should encourage the Board, and the administration to do whatever -- everything that it possibly can to approve -- tc l improve the system in anticipation of the referendum. And it's going to allow the citizens of Chicagoy for the first time in decades, to express their opinion as to whether ar nat they will continue to support a publtc school system as it is then ! constituted on the date of the referendum. This is an inittative that allows the citizens of Chicago to have scmething to say about i their schools. That 's the same opportunity that other citizens across the State of Illinois have. And I submit to you that it's high time that that opportunity Was had. In closing, there are plenty of reasons that we, as lawmakers, should do something here today. We were called into a Special Session by the Governor, and this is the first time any legislation has been brought forward that has substantial support in either Chamber. But I submit to you that that isn't the reason we should do something here todayw not by itself. And if anybody wants to knoW Why there's some reasons, there's four hundred and eleven thousand reasons in Chicago that deserve our attention, and let's not lose the focus here. Wedre talklng about that many students in Chlcago. They're our klds. They're your kids; they 're my kids. They gre twenty percent of the populatlon of students in Chicago. Let's do the right ehing here eoday. Thank you. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Hendon. SENATOR HENDON : Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Will the sponsor yield for a question? ! 16 ! STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY FIRST SPECIAL SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 8th Legislative Day September 20r 1993
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) He indicates he would. 1 i
First of all, Senator Watson, what is the effective date of 1 this legislation if it passes? What -- what would be the effecttve date? I
PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Watson. I SENATOR WATSON: ! The exact language is, HThis Act takes effect upon becoming 1aW# except that if this Act passes by an affirmative vote of less ; than three-fifths of the menbers elected to either house of the General Assembly, then this Act takes effect July 1st, 1994.'9 I I
PRESIDING OPPICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Hendon. SENATOR HENDON: ! so, if -- if -- as it appears, it's going to be, to ne, that only that side of the aisle votes for this and it does not get enough votes to become effective immediately, then this bill is I 2 actually not -- is not going to do anything to solve the current crisis because it won't be in effect until ,94. Is that correct? !
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Watson.
We -- We're establishing July 1st, if we only get thirty votes - that's correct - of 1994. 0ur attitude is that there's still two nonths left of the school year that there could be a positive impact in this particular school year by taking effect July 1st, ! 1994. We fre also establishing parameters here, Senaeor: I think -- and hopefully some guidance not only to Chicago Board of I Education, but maybe to others who might be interested -- or the Chlcago Teachers' Union, certainly, bu* may even others who are 17 STATE OF TLLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY FIRST SPECIAL SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 8th Legislative Day September 20, 1993 . l about to make a decision ehat we think could be derogatory to the whole system . We're trying to send a message to those indlviduals also . PRESIDING OEFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) i Senator Hendon. SENATOR HENDON: ' . .. tmicrophone cutoffl...fact, if this legislation is not going to even take effect until 1994, isn't this an exercise in I purely political masturbation? PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) j ! You have further discussion, Senator Hendon?
I have a number of questions, and I will -- I wll1 make that l clear, because to pass a bill that -- that is going to do absolutely nothing for this current crisis is a uaste of time. Now, wedve come down here for three weeks - khree Weeks in a row - three times, wasting our time, wasting the taxpayers' noney, and ! here you're going to have a -- a bill that Won't even be in effect until 1994. Yesr that is political nasturbation. That's exactly what lt is, because you're just playing with ourselves to be down ! here for -- for something that's silly. Now, I have another question . What was the purpose of -- Senator Watson, of Chapter 1 ! ! dollars in the first place?
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Watson. 1
I'm sorry. I couldn't understand the individual. I nean, lf he would...
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Hendon, repeat your question, please.
What is the purposer what was the missionz what -- what were I 18 STATE OF ILLINOTE 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY EIRST SPECIAL SESSION SENATE TRANSCRTPT 8th Legislative Day September 20, 1993 Chapter l dollars, the intention of that money: what Was it for?
PRESIDING OEFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Watson.
Qo serve underfunded kids, underprivileged kids, with problems, financially.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Hendon. SENATOR HENDONI I'm very glad that you gave a direct and succinct answer to that: because shows why I am so happy and so proud that God didn't -- didn't make me a Republican. Glad I wasnft born with this phllosophy. What youdre about to do - and I -- I don't even know how you can sleep With yourselves at night. really don 't. You're going to take money from the poor kids. That's what youfre going to do. And I'n sure -- that is probably what you do, to relieve your mind . It's a good thing that that wasn't caught on -- on -- on the recorder, but I have good ears; I heard it. What you're doing is you're raping and robbing the poor and underprivileged kids. That's what the Chairman of Education just said. This money is speeifically to help the poor children be -- get a good education. And what do you want to do? You want to take ninety million dollars away from the poor children. You want to... Okay. We took -- took out the pension on the teachers. So you're going to take care of the teachers, but youdre going to screw the children. say that is urang. These dollars are specifically for the children. To take the money from the children that you 're supposed to be helping makes no sense at all. It is vicious. It is cruel, and it is the -- the reason why most people feel that the conservative philosophy is Warped, because of this type of mentality. It is Wrong to do this to the children. ve are going to address Ehis problem, We need to address this STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY FIRS; SPECIAL SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 8th Legislative Day September 20, 1993 statewide so that the children downstate and the children in your area and the poor children will all be on equal footing and can all get a -- a good, decent education. But to just bash Chicago j I and then just take the poor children's money and take it fron them ! is vicious, and it's cruel. And thank God, He didn't make me a Republican, because I don't have to live with a -- such a Warped sense of -- of justice, such a warped sense of -- of -- of any I kind of philosophy that you -- definitely, clearly are displaying : here today . It is wrong, and I urge a No voter but I know you're I ! Oino to Vote YPS. T knoW youbre Qoing tO VO'P fOr it, because ' that 's the way you are mentally thinking . And T 'ln telling you , that thinking is wrong . And our Governor , Wh? is supposed to be the Governor for the children: to -- for him to allow you to do thls, because I know he has scme power. At least I think he has I some power. Sometimes I believe the Governor's nane is Pate I i Philip, not Jim Edgar. But if he has any power, it ls him Who -- ; 5 who this is going to come down on. Because if he allows you to take this money fron the poor childrenr we're going to guarankee that the parents of those poor children don't give him any votes when it comes to his re-election. i PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) i Senator Philip. :
Thank you: Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. NoW that everybody's thoroughly confused, I will try to shed a liEkle lighb on exactly what welre doing with Chapter 1. And Why are We doing it? Because there's a crisis in the City of Chicago ! I schools. And the real issue is kids, getting kids back in school. What this simply does is freeze them at the same level they are today for two years. In other words, they dre losing no money whatsoever. In fact, Ladtes and Gentlemen, they've had a surplus for two years. They have forty nilllon dollars on hand that they 20 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY FIRST SPECIAL SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 8th Legislative Day September 20, 1993 I could have spent for broken toilets, soap, toilet paper: pencils, 1 paper. They have a surplus of forty million dollars. We're taking half of that surplus to çet the schools open. So just that I everybody understands, We are not taking any money away from them at all. They get exactly the same amount they had last yeary and we're using half of that surplus to run the schools and get 'em open.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) 2 I Senator Demuzio.
. .. tmlcrophone cutoffl...and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. I really hesitated as to whether or not to jump into this fray, but I want to make some comments. Senator Philip, you said @ recently, ''Why are we here?'' Why are we here? The Governor called a Special Session a Week before school was to open. He never even allowed the collective bargaining process in Illinois i to Work. The teachers are -- today are neither on strike, nor are they locked out. Theyfre sort of on an extended vacation of some 4 sore for a while, put back to work by result of the federal judge. ' I have three school districts in my district Who have filed intentions to strike. One did strike, and the collective : bargaining process workedr and they went back. They solved their problem last Saturday, and sehcol opened. Sixty such school districts in fllinois have filed intentions to strike under the collective bargaining process. We didn 't have a Special Session for those sixty. We didn't have a Special Session for the three that are -- are still negotiating in my district. Why are we here? What's wrong with the collective bargainlng law that I affords us the opporeunity to come to Springfield and inject ourselves right into the middle of negotiations between the Chicago School Board and the Chicago Union? I think it's ridiculous. Nobody said anything about calling a Special Session 21 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY FIRST SPECIAL SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 8th Legislative Day September 20r 1993 for the three or four or five school districts ln my district that were damaged by the flood, or in Senator -- or the other Senators l - I won't nention anyone by name - who happen to have a district along the Tllinois River. Why are we here? Why are We injecting ! ourselves into this process? The Governor now serves as a ehief neqotiator for both the Board and the Union on the one handr and : the Illinois General Assembly, the Democrats and Republicans, on l the other hand. He's sitting dovn there sort of as a federal mediator, trylng to mediate this dispute. Is this his plan? Noy ! it isn't. Let me just say that We ought not to do anyehing with this proposal until there is some reconciled event that happens in the City that says that the School Board and the Union can get together. Why should we set the parameters for what their negotiation's going to be here? We a11 of a sudden say, ''Okay, ' you can borrow so much noney.'' And sa they go out and they borrow and they bargaën for it. Why should we do that? We gave that authority to the local -- locals to do that in Illlnois. We ought not to be in thls process. And you know what? You talk about pension money. The first amendment you had, you gave Chicago the money on a perpetual basis: fifty-five nillion dollars a year, until a few minutes ago, when you tabled it. Senator Watson, you had a proposal ln there for twenty million dollars for a new transportation program for downstate Illinois that gave us twenty million bucks, and you tabled that. So now wedre talking solely and exclusively about one school district in Illinois. I'm willlng to do my park Eo afford Chicago the oppcrtunity to put their youngsters back into school. Nc loan guarantees. No bond guarantees. No more State money. People have the illusion in Illinois that somehow or other we are going to give Chicago a pot of money. What theydre asking for is flexibility to resolve their oWn problem. I am prepared to give them that flexibility to l resolve their own problem, but I'm only prepared to do it after 22 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY PIRST SPECIAL SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 8th Legislative Day September 20: 1993 the collective bargaining process has run its course. It has not. I would urge every Member of this Body not to vote for this proposal today. Let the Union and the Board eontlnue to negotiate. We shouldn't set the parameters. And once they ive ' decided what theydre going to dor then they ought to come down ! here and ask us. And only then should we be involved in the collective bargaining process in Illinois. Senator Philip, Why are We here? Answer your oWn question. We ought not to be here. 1 The Gcvernor called us here. He's the one that noW is in the mlddle of this dispute; he 's the one that ought to solve it. I l ! think we ought to vote No on thisy go home and 1et the collective bargaining process continue to take its way in Illinois. Thank I ! your Mr. President. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) I i Senator Raica.
Thank you, Mr. President and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. Senator Demuzio, you know, other distrlets have this problem wlth the school strikes and everything: and wefve discussed that in our Caucus too. But I think one of the reascns ! : that we're down here is because the Democrats continually have 1 said yes to the Chicago school teachers. Every time they wanted more money, you said yes. We -- we stcod here and said no, i because we want to make the system better. We want to make it ! uork. We want the money to go to the kids. We want to make the system better. So the reason's very simple that Wedre down here. Senator Bermanw you stated that you have no idea why wefre here E because the House isn't here. Well, that's a perfectly good reason why we should a11 probably just go home, because the House doesn't care. I remember Senator Lapaille sitting here a couple ! of months ago saying that Senator Philip -- and jokinqly, I think saidr ''I want to be like Mike.'' Well, I don't think anybody on 23 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY FTRST SPECIAL SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 8th Legislative Day September 20, 1993 this side wants to really be like Mlke today, fcause We ?an sik back home and do nothing too and let everybody fight it out. But the big problem is# the teachers want the Demoerats to solve the problem for them - *he money problem: give them a hundred-and-twenty-million-dollar ralse, don't give them more hours, let then teach less hours. What the hell? I meanr they got it made now anyway, right? And let's face it. Theylve been kind of good for you as far as the PAC funds go too. So nowy we have to make a declslon. What do we want to do? Senator Hendon, we eould sit here a1l day and discuss a1l them kind of problems about the kids in your inner-clty district. I remember standing up here arguinq trauma to the Democrats on that side of the alslee and it was the minorities that killed it. And I couldn't believe why you would stand here and want to kill a proposal that would help out your constituency. But here we are again, discussing the school problem and what We're dotng here. The Mayor had a lot of good ideas. I've said that right along. Senator Phillp J don't think at al1 has disagreed, and even the Governor, When he spoke to us, didn't disagree with a 1ot of the Mayor's proposals. And thatrs what's before us today. Chapter 1 money - Senator Philip couldn't have said it any better than he did. They had forty million dollars they didn't spend. Do we want to give them another forty million dcllars they -- they are not going to spend, or do we want to give it to the kids? Do we want to make the syskem work and :et the teachers in the schccls and do the right thing? DesEroy a public school system, Senator de1 Valle? I don't think anyone here can destroy what's destroyed yet. The only thing we could do: I hope to Gcd, is make it better. How many kids got shot the first three days they uent back in the schools, Senator del Valle? And we want the system to work? We could do exactly what the House ls doing: stay home. Senator de1 Valle, hello. Or we can just discuss back and forth with their I 24 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY FIRST SPECTAL SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 8th Legislative Day September 20, 1993 Minority Leader what wedre goëng to dor Whose philosophy is ''I don'k know why we dre here; the House isnft hereo'' 'Cause he told me ehae when -8 came out on the Floor. So we 've decided to do somethinç - cone up With our plan that can give the school district money, 1et the kids back in school and maybe make some changes in the system . I remember being on this side of the aisle as a minorityr goin: back home and preaching, ''If We had control, we would want to do this, this and this.l' See, the only difference is, we're the -- we're the majoriky this time and the changes that we want to make is ''correct the systemn. You 're in the minority actually naking the sane type of speechesy except you dre With the teachers instead of with the kids. That's what this is all ado. And go ahead and shout about it all; that's all - - al1 you Want to do . Fifty-five million out of the teachers' pension. You did it last time. T didn't voke for ie this time, and none of us on this side of the aisle were willing to put our butes on the line again and do thaty 'cause that's the wrong way to do it. All the retired teachers in my districty in the suburban areas, everywhere, saysr ''Don 't use our money.'' So we're not. So we can come baek here when the Democrats in the House have their way. And you know what? That's the proposal thatdll be on the table. And you know what? You 'll have a1l your votes on that side of the aisle for taking fifty-five million dollars out of their pension so that we can help out the Chicago school system. No, they won't. No, they won't. They're not going to kill each other anymore. No, they wondt. And here we are in fantasyland, adventureland. We can keep on shaking our heads al1 day long. You want somethin: that works? This is going Eo work. This is going to work 'cause Wedre trying to make changes in the systen. Sor ke can have the philosophy or ''Be like Mike'l and sit home or do nothing, or come here and try and make a change. Wellw I'm glad that ke 're on this side trying to make a change, at leask I 25 N STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY FIRST SPECIAL SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 8th Legislative Day September 20, 1993 for *he good this time.
PRESJDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Shaw.
Thank you, Mr. President, Ladies and Genklemen of the Senate. OneoftheproblemsthatIhavewiththis--withthisbillisthe ( ! effective date of the bill. Now, I donlt know Whether it,s the intent of this Body to pass khis bill by thirty votes and put part of this bill into effect, or Wait until July 1st, 1994. I don't E suspeet that you will get thirty-six votes on this bill. And under the Senate Rules, I believe that you Would need thirty-six 1 votes to have an immediate effective date of this legislation. But if it's the intent of this Body ta help the schools out and ! help the children that you are talking about, why do We Want to E wait until July of 1994? That does -- that does not make sense to me. That does not make sense to me. The -- you talk about the property tax referendum . What -- I think the people of Chicago have enough -- pay enough property tax already, whether they -- ! it's a referendum or note and I have no objections to a referendum . But What you 're attempting to do here is put senior citizens, Who are on fixed incomes, out of their hone. That's what the other side of the aisle would be attempting to do. If a û i referendum passed - and I don't suspect it will - but certainly ' those senior citizens who are on fixed income, they're property tax would skyrocket, probably, and the little money that they are now receiving from their pension Nould go to try and pay some additional property tax. Many of those people have no children -- ; no youngsters in school, and I don't think that -- even though they have paidr but I think they have paid their dues. I think that the people of Chicago who pay the State income tax, who play I the Lottery, is entitled to a fair share of that noney goinq back into the public school system to help the children of Chicago . 26 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY FIRST SPECIAL SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 8th Legislative Day September 20w 1993 That's what we should be talkin: about. But aside from thatw we are here today to circumvent the collective bargaining process. In 1984, I believe it was that We passed the Collective Bargaining Act, giving the keachers and every labor union in this State ehe right to collective bargaining . Now for some reason, whether it's political or otherwise, we want to come back here today and circumvent that process. I think Senator Demuzio made it very clear, and I think Senator Denuzio is right -- is: Why are we here to do this to the children? And even if there Was -- if this was the solution to the problem, Why do we have such a late effective dater July of 1994? don't understand that. When they - - when the people of Chlcago and the children of Chicago have an immediate problem - an immediate problem - why are we doing this to the four hundred and eleven thousand youngsters in that schcol systen? You would think that the people of Chicago didn't pay any taxes, didn't pay any income tax. And now the other side of the aisle is going to attempt to punish the cltizens of Chicago. That is not right. And what you should dor Mr. President, is rethink your position . This is not the solution to the problem of Chicago . This is nok it. If we -- you just Wanted to call us down here just to say -- report to the medla that you are doing something, or you have some quick-flx solution to the problems of the children of Chicago: that might go over kell in the media. But certainly, with the people of Chicago, that does not go over very goodr and particularly those youngsters that are looking for an educakion. ask you to rethink your positionr and I ask the Members on this side of the aisle to vote No on this legislation.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Geo-Karts.
Mr. President and Ladies and Gentlemen cf *he Senate, flrst of all, I'm tired of hearing the other side bashing Governor Edgarw 27 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY FIRST SPECIAL SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 8th Legislative Day September 20, 1993 Who has tried very conscientiously to try and get things done and have us work together. Second of all, the Gentleman who used a very unsavory word and called lt ''MH -- political ''M'I I say -- I have another word for you. I thlnk you lve been watching too nany Seinfeld movies, and I think it's time that you looked at the reality of the facts of life here. If we weren 't coneerned and if the Governor wasn't concerned about four hundred and eleven thousand students bein: out of school, we wouldn't be here in this Speeial Session. The Governor called the Special Session. We wondered whether he should or not. And then I hear this business about collective bargaining should be left to the Teachers' Union and to the Board. Let me tell you; Collective bargaining is not supposed to be the klnd of bargaining thak will keep the kids out of school until more and more perquisites are entered into because of the leadership of the Chicago Teachers ' Union, which has no comnon sense at a11 and doesn't give a darn about the kids belng out of school. And you know it, and I know it. If they did : this thing would have been settled long ago. And then we talk about pensions. No, I don't think it's right to take money from the pensions. And people who have earned a pension should keep it. Then we have supernuneraries, Where people -- teachers who haven't been reassigned, they get salary and benefits for a long timer and wetre trying to correct that and limit it to sixty days. So, what's wrong with that? And then ycu don't want a referendum . Well, let me tell you: My districts have referendums. So, What -- what's wrong wiEh your district havlng a referendum - your school district? There's nothing wron: with that. Let the people make a decision what they want to do about educating their children. We are not giving you a progran that takes any State fundsr but we're asking you eo go ahead and vote for this amendment -- this bill, as amended. And -- Senator Shaw, you say, why do We have to wait. Because your side is being stubborn, doesn't want Eo cooperate and 28 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY FIRST SPECIAL SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 8th Legislative Day September 20, 1993 i ! give us thirty-six votes. But I hope we can get at least thirty ! I On Our Side SO WP Can ShOW that Wedre responsible and Wefre J ! accountable. What's lacking in the Chicago school districts today is the fact that there's not enough accountability and not enough supervision. Because when the kids canlt be taught to read, write I and spell, When they're graduating from high school, there's l ! ? something radically wrong. And Wedve tried some -- to make sone meaningful -- reforms. And what are you doing about it? You're sieting back and blamlng the Governor, blaming us. Well, 1.11 tell you: Thls is one time of many times that I'n very glad I'm a Republican, because I'm trying to do the responsible thing. And I J ! urie Passaie Of House Bill 525, as amended. l !
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Palmer.
Thank you, Mr. President and Members of the Body. I'd like to I i begin by asklng the sponsor a question. i i PRESIDJNG OFFfCER: (SENATOR WEAVER) He indicates he will yield.
And I draw your attention, Members of the Body, those of you ; ! who have the bill - because it always pays to read khings in full, : I read the small print, as well as the analysis - I call your attenkion to page 56, lines 14 through 19 of the foureh amendment. Senator Watson, I am looking noW at the applicable dates, I I vis-a-vls, State Title I aid, and please correct ne if I am wrong. Twenty percent in school year 1989-90. This is the amount that ! would be glven to *he schools. Forty percent in school year 1990 through '91. Sixty percent in '91-92. Eighty percent in 1992-93. And then - this is very curious - we skip and say one hundred percent in schocl year 1995-96. What happened to 1993-94?
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) I 29 STATE 0F ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY FIRST SPECIAL SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 8th Legislative Day Septenber 20, 1993 I Senator Watson. SENATOR WATSON: Yes, thank your Senator. I appreciate that question. If you would turn onto page 58, there 's an explanation. What that is, Senator, is the actual freeze of Cbapter l money for those -- for '93-94 and '94-95. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Palmer. SENATOR PALMER: I want to draw your attention to the continuation of page -- on 56, from llnes 19 on down to 3l. Let's be very clear what Chapter l monies are used for. And I am quoting here from the bill. These monies are to be used Hat the discretion of the principal and local school council for prograns to improve educational opportunities'' so forth and so on... including ''early childhood education, reduced class size or improved adult to student classroom ratio, enriehment prograns, remedial assistance, attendance inprovement and other educationally beneficial expenditures which supplement the regular and basic programs'' and so forth. Let me say to you, Members of this Body, there's a certain irony to removing, freezing - however one chooses to define it - the Chapter 1 monles. Before I came down here, I spent a great many years working with the School Reform Movement, and I have continued to do so down here. And I have been struck by the fact that the School Reform Movement has made it a point to be bipartisan, to Work both sides of the aisle. So it is ironic that your side of the aisle, who I know knows very clearly what these monies are used for, because 1: myself, have arranged meetings in Chicago where we, in a bipartisan fashion, sat down and you heard from the lips of local school council members, from principals, from parents that the Chapter 1 monies, as Senator Berman sald, have gone directly to the betterment of the 30 ! STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLX FIRST SPECIAL SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 8th Legislative Day September 20, 1993 ! ! conditions of children in the scbocls in Chicago. So there is an I irony here that, of a11 the funds, we would attack the Chapter l I monies. I suggest to you that the citizens of Chicago did indeed vote for thelr children. They did so in November of 1992 When I they voted for the referendum - blpartisan-sponsored referendum - ! that was denounced, was not supported. Wecamewithinthree points of passing that. And that made sense. I also suqgest to l ! you, it is not the place of this Body to shift micromanagenent of the schools in Chicago from Pershing Road to the Illinois State i Legislature. This is not our purpose, and we should not vote for thts. Those who say these are surplus monies, you are Wrong. You are absolutely dead wrong. These monies are there for the 1 ! : schools to make decisions about major purchases and about other matters that cosk money beyond the duration of one year. Do not take away their ncnies. This is not a -- an amendment that we ! i should vote for, and I am appalled thak we would even propose such a nisuse of our tine here in Sprinqfield. I say, vote No . I !
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Lauzen <sic>. I i SENATOR WATSON: i 1 Yes, thank you. T -- the question was askedz and I think it i ! needs to be -- a response. And I've attended several of those E meetings with Senator Palmer, when wedve met With local school councils in -- in Chicago to discuss their concerns about the i young people of khe City, and those young people who are -- unfortunately, seem to be held hostage at this particular time. I've attended those meetingsr and the local sehool councils - i; she's quite correct - in many cases, are working as they should under reform, and reform is working ln many portions of the City . j I Not all, unfortunately, but in many portions. And maybe one of those areas, and maybe many of those areasr in which reform isn't I workingis*heareainWhichPamZekman--Tdon'tknow. Thoseof ? 31 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLV FIRST SPECIAL SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 8th Legislative Day Septenber 20, 1993 you from Chicagoy I'm really surprised to hear the... I'm really surprised to hear the renarks of several of the Members here who represent the City of Chicago. Pam Zekman who is -- works for WBBM, Channel 2 News in Chicagoz has done a series of I investigative reporting on the actual expenditures of dollars that ! are supposedly supposed to go, yes, to those young people, those deprlvedyoungpeopleoftheschoolsystemofChicagothat youlve ) i nentioned, Senator. Yesy that's where that money 's supposed to ço. But where is it going in many of those local school councils? Wh ' 1 ? A hundred and forty-two thousand ! ere s that revenue go ng dollars of it went to a retreat for teachers to go to Lake Geneva. Forty-two thousand dollars cf it went to a retreat for teaehers to go to NeW Mexico. Hundreds of thousands of dollars are going to ' contracts of forner enployees - principalsr members of the former School Board, employees of the School Board of Chicago - going to ! fund thelr contracts. That's Where that Chapter l money is going, Senator, and don't you get up here and misrepresent what Channel 2 News has already found out. And theredll be more on this, I'm I sure, in the future.
PRESIDING OFFTCER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Collins. SENATOR COLLINS: ! Why, thank you, Mr. President. Question of the sponsor, please. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) ! He indicates he would yield.
Senator Watson, following on the Chapter 1, if you look at page 56 of your amendnent, page 56, starting at line 17. In the ! middle of that line it talked about the allocaeion, and it says in ' - - in -- in the school yearz starting on l7, 1991-92, eighty <sic> percent cf the money will be transferred. Then it says in school 1 I 32 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY FIRST SPECIAL SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 8th Legislative Day September 20r 1993 year 1992-93, one hundred <s1c> percene. But then it moves on. It jumps from one hundred percenty and it goes to in school year 1995-96. But what T want to knows will there be any money at a1l after this year, because this bill does not say it? In other words, there wll1 be no money. There's a two-year gap perlod there where there will be no Chapter 1. Accordtng to the way this amendment is drafted, no Chapter l noney at al1 would go to the schools in those two years.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Watson.
Well, once again, T want to refer, Senator, to page 58, that actually implements a freeze. Beginning with line l5, on page 58. If you would read that languager I think you would answer your oWn question.
PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Collins.
Senator, this Sectlon -- tt does not say that. It says the same amount that was allocated in the year, that was no money allocated at all.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Watson.
And that's the gap period.
Welly you read on line 20r and you will find that it says in the fiscal year beginning in 1992. That is the implementation of the freeze.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Any further questions? Senator Collins. SENATOR COLLINSJ 33 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY FIRST SPECIAL SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 8th Legislative Day September 20y 1993 I'm sorry. What line you sald that was on? i
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Whlch line, Senator Watson?
Line 20. SENATOR COLLINS: j Welly that's exactly What I'R talking about. It says in 1992 the amount... Seee zero, it does not exceed. ;
PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Watson.
Okay. Now refer back to page 56, and page 56 says eighty percent in that year 192-93.
No. But it... But... i
PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Colllns.
But, Senatorr that's a contradlction. That's what Wedre saying here. Now, I don't know whether this is technically defaulted or not, but this is a document that I thought that a lot i of time and energy went into to make sure that -- that it was what you wanted to do. Now, it may be technically flawed . But, then, I I have another questlcn that I'd like to ask you. On page -- page l0, dealing With the -- the staffing planr the -- increasing the i authority and responsiblltty of the Finance Authority. Given the fact that Chicago is merely asking for no new money, but to use part of the levy of the Finance Authority's, which is used for their operationy to -- to secure the bonds, are you expecting to hire -- the Finance Authorlty tc hire more staff to carry out the duties that they -- that you have outlined ln thls Section of the bill starting at page 10 and conkinuing through page ll? 34 r STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY FIRST SPECIAL SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 8th Legislative Day September 20, 1993 PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Watson. SENATOR WATSON : Senator, what We're doing is actually repealing many of thetr reform powers, but trying to beef up the financial authority of the School Finance Authority. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) 1 Any furkher discussion? Senator Collins. SENATOR COLLINS: Senator, hoW -- hoW many staff persons dces the Finance Authority have ncw, actually doing -- accountants and the kinds of thing that you 're talking about them to do here? And how many more people will they have to employ? PRESIDING OFEICERI (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Watson. SENATOR WATSON: Well, rlght now, they spend approximately three hundred thousand dollars on their reform powersr but how many staff that may be, I'm not sure. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Collins. SENATOR COLLINS: Based on the additional responsibilitles that youdve given the Finance Authority under thls bill, they most certainly will have to increase their budget, because they're golng to have to hire some more people. Agaln what we're doing is expanding the bureaucracy and less dollars are getting down to the children. I don't want to talk and really didn't Want to become a part of thts circus, and I had indicated that I wouldn't say anything at all. But I did want to call your attention to some of the technical problems of this bill. But the real questlon 1s: Why are ke here? Inasmuch as I'm on my feet, I thought maybe I would express 35 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLX FIRST SPECIAL SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 8th Legislative Day September 20, 1993 my version of why we are here. The primary reason that We are here: For the past, really, sixteen yearsz we really have not had a Governor in this State that have had the political will or the commltment to make education a -- funding of educaticn a priority in this State, and that's Why we are here. And we are here at I this particular tlne on this partlcular date - I think several people indicated that - this is just a political game. This is -- this is busywork, to make the people of the City of Chicago and the State of Illinois think that We are -- have a commltment to, are sincere about opening the sehools in the City of Chicago. We @ a11 know that's not -- true, and so the people out khere know it too. But why are we here without a plan? Wefre here because the Governor of this State and the Leadership did no* put forth a f ! plan. You rejected our plan that We put together on the Democratic side herer and you didn 't have a real plan of your own. The time ls long overdue for the kinds of plan that only last from / ! one year to -- to a year. And the children of the City of Chicago is faced with thesameuncertaintyeveryyear,andtheteachers J who work for that Citye the same uncertainty, as to Whether or not a) the students will be going to schaol, and whether or not the ! teachers employed there would have a job. The whole question about ! I bashing the teachers in the Ctty of Chicago for being overpaide that is unfair and unjust. The suburban areas around the City of Chicagor most of the teachers are paid much more than they are in the City of Chicago. The reality of this situation is that if you want quality teachers to teach in *he City of Chicago, in the nidst cf the other problems - social problems - that -- and other : needsofthosechildrentha:arebeingunmet,thenyoufregoingto f have to pay those teachers to :o into that area and eeach, and -- and most certainly you're going to have to pay good teachers to do j the job. I'n not here -- and I don't feel, maybe, as strongly as ( someofmyeolleaguesaboutournotdoinganything because there 1 36 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLX FIRST SPECTAL SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 8th Legislative Day September 20, 1993 has not been a collective bargaining agreement; although: I support collective bargaining. fn factr being the chief author of the first collective bargaining 1aw ln this State for public employees, I most certainly support the right of collective bargaining and teachers to bargain. But my priority here is to deal with the problem of the fact that the children of the City of Chicago is denied equal opportunity to a free education in this State. That issue must stop, and we cannot allow it to happen again. Whatever plan that we come up With this timey it ought to be a long-term plan so that they are not faced with that same ; uncertain future next year. If not, I'm going to be leading a I banner for a class acticn suit in the federal court nyself. If that 's what it takes to guarantee those chtldren the right and to stop you from playing political football and uslng them as a pawn year after year after year as to who 's going to get the votes ou* of the City of Chicago, then I wtll lead the challenge for a class action suit. I submit that we ought to vote this proposal down, go home and take care of the people 's business.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator... END OF TAPE : TAPE 2
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) ... cronin.
Mr. President, I move the previous question.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) 37 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GCNERAL ASSEMBLY FIRST SPECIAL SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 8th Legislative Day September 20, 1993 I : I Well, Senator Cronin: we have nine more speakersd lights 1it up here. So, after they have been called, why, I Will consider that motion. Senator Lauzen. SENATOR LAUZEN: ë Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Ladies and Gentlenen, the citizens I i who elect us feel that there should be an integrity and a consistency between what leaders say and what leaders do. / Fundamentally, if education is as important to the leaders in Chicago as they sayy why are State taxpayers all around the State asked to eventually pay more in State taxesy when these leaders ! who believe ineducationdon'taskthelro<nChicagocitizensto pay a proportionate real estate tax to support thetr own system? 2 It also bothers folks back where I come from when they 're called : vicious and selfishy when they fre already sending in eight hundred and forty million dollars a year into the Chicago school system. I I hope that it's not a case that when we talk about the education referendum, that as long as someone else pays the billy We dre all for education. If we are a11...
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Can we have a litele order, please. ' SENATOR LAUZEN : E If we were all shouldering a proportionate share, maybe there I would be a greater inclination for folks around the State to pitch in. According to a Taxpayers' Federation of Illinois study of the i fifty-nine largest communlties in Illinois, Chicago rated fifty-eighth among those fifty-nine as far as their real estate i tax burden. In -- for instance, in my district, in Aurora, a hundred-thousand-dollar house, the tax is two thousand and nlne dollars; in Chlcago, hundred thousandr thirteen hundred and ' seventy-six dollars. Then when you do research off of the actual tax bills in Aurora East, Batavia , Genevaz Naperville , and Lisle, and compare the education rate divided by the State assessment 38 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY FIRST SPECIAL SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 8th Legislative Day September 20y 1993 ! equalization factor, you'll find a range between 4.69 in Indlan Prairie in Naperville, and 3.86 ln East Aurora; yet, Chicago is 2.13. The same pattern holds true also in Suburban Cook County when those rates are compared. When you take a look at a potential referendum, the question is, naturallyr how much is it going to cost taxpayers in Chicago to support education as they say. If you take a look at how much is being asked to borrow this year, a hundred and twenty-eight million -- or, a hundred and twenty million, and you compare to the kotal amount that's raised in real estate taxes in the City of Chicago - it's 1.275 billion - it represents about 9.4 percent increase. And I hope that no one's gcing to argue that We should have a classlfication system in the -- the rest of the State of Illinois that shifts the real estate taxes off of resident property taxpayers over to business. For those reasons, I urîe a Yes vote on this amendment.
PRESIDTNG OFFJCER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Lapaille. SENATOR LaPAILLE: Thank you, Mr. President. Today the Illincis Senate's in Session, and wedre not here for ''teacher appreciation day''. I khlnk with some of the speeches we are hgre on ''dump on Chicago teachers day''. What a role model we are making for our students that are back in Chicago. In many families in the City of Chicagor thatls the only role model a student hasr because they eome from broken homes and families and they go to school, and their teacher is a role model. But here we are dunping on them, dumping on them for polttical reasons and for feel-good politics. And We 're here because of spin. We need to spin a story for the next couple of days, so the Governor and your side can sayr ''We had something we offered, and thcse bad Democrats shot it down.'' And welre spending taxpayers' money just to do this spin. I would suggest Ehat perhaps you should have just faxed us this plan' and I 39 STATE 0F ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLX PIRST SPECIAL SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 8th Legislative Day September 20, 1993 for thirty cents a fax, it uould have cost you eight dollars and ten cents for us to send it back to you sayingy ''No, we don't Want to get involved in the collective bargaining process here in the Illinois State Senaee. That's not what we were elected to do.'' And I think many of ycu are sitting in your seats right nou thinking the same thing: Why are we here? Why are we putting ourselves in the middle of a collective bargaining process? It happens your hometowns every day and every year with your policemen, with your firemen, with your teachers, wlth your plumbers, with your carpenters. And do we rush into Special Session to help solve a çollective bargaining problen in any of your locales? The answer is no. And there was a plan at one point that would have put us around the table. Speaker Madlgan and Minority Leader Jcnes recommended that we have unilateral talks - remenber this, about threey four weeks ago? - and that the four leaders, the Governor, the Mayor, and the Chicago Board of Educationy as well as the Teachers' Unicn, al1 sit around one table. And perhaps lf your side and the Governor had said yes to that plan, maybe we would have solved this problem tko or three weeks ago, but ycu said no. So now we're in the outside trying to look in and saying, ''Here's our plan.'' Wellr today it's the Chicago Teachers' Union. Tomorrow it could be policemen around the State; it could be firemen around the State; it could be Sears workers; it could be Chrysler workers; it could even be Dupage County Forest Preserve workers, thae wedre putting our fingers into their collective bargaining agreements, and getting involved ln someehlng we should not be involved We 're tinkering, and we're tinkerlng very, very dangerously today with the collective bargaininq prccess ln Illinois. I want to commend Senator Watson. He's worked hard. He understands these issues, and he's drafted a plan. But Senator Watson dces not live in the City of Chicago or represent the Clty of Chicago. I don't think he knows the 40 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY FIRST SPECIAL SESSTON SENATE TRANSCRIPT 8th Legislatlve Day September 20, 1993 i i j' feelings of local school council members or Chicago teachers' , unionsr or children who are excited, perhapsy when they do get I I i Chapter 1 funds to buy a computerr or to get a reading teacher in, ! or a tutor, to help them out. He lives two hundred and seventy miles south of Chicago, and I would submit to you that you Would not want my colleague, Senator Hendon, drafting a plan for the city schools of Greenville. Likewise, he does not Want you p drafting a plan for the City of Chicago schools. In conclusion, this plan today is a sure fornula to increase property taxes in the City of Chicago, in that bungalow belt on the northwest side, on the southwest side. And it's a sure plan, if it passes, that there will be a Chicago teaehers' strike, or there'll be an uprising by local schcol couneil parents, who give of their time and volunteer so feverishly: to make Chicago schools number one. This plan should be defeated. We should be on hold. We shoulddve never even came into Special Session. And I'm not going to point fingers at who called the Special Session, cr who encouraged the Special Sesslon. We should have been on the outside walting till it was over; then we shoulddve came down to fill that void. Thank you very nuch.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator DeAngelis. SENATOR DeANGELIS: Thank you, Mr. Presldent. You know , if somebody was visitlng this Chamber from another country and was asked: ''There are two parties in this State. One is synbolized by an elephant, and the okher is symbolized by a jackass.' ' They would know immediately who was who. I have to tell you, I -- J've been here fourteen years and so nuch of what has happened has been so forgotten by . the other side. I could go on and on, but let's just hit a few key polnts. Senator del Valle, Lf I remember correctly, and T think I was the only one that voted in 1985 against that school 41 ! STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY FIRST SPECIAL SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 8th Legislative Day September 20, 1993 reform bill, the purpose of that bill was to give more local control. Now al1 of a sudden - now al1 of a sudden - they don't : i want to eliminate the subdistrictsz Which is a barrier between ! I local control and the home office. I really don't understand i that. Senator Berman and Senator Hendon - Wow, shoo - concerned about Title 1, both of you. Everyone is. But 1et me tell you, as I Senator Philip said, Title I funds are not being reduced; they 're being increased with this bill. And you know, maybe you have to be a jackass to understand this, but is it better to offer ninety million With closed schools or twenty million With open schools? And I've got to tell your if there 's a Warped feeling on this slde, that logic defies any explanation whatsoever, and I Would submlt that if there's any warped thlnking, that's ft. Take ninety million and keep the schools closed, or take twenty million and make sure that four hundred and eleven thousand kids are in school. Referendum discusslon. What a discussion this is. I got to tell you something. Three years ago -- and the reason we are here, Senator Demuzio: ls that three years ago in the middle of a political campaign, somebody decided it would be better to keep the schools opens with an agreement that couldn't work. In fact, 1'11 tell you how much it couldn't Work, 'cause, acknowledging that agreement, in that agreement it said, if the money's not there, we go back and renegotiate. Well, I got to tell you somethlng. you've got to be a jackass to think you can do that too. And what happened? That's why We're here. And to turn around and suggest that a referendum is political, I can't think of any more political than what goes on without the referendum . Collective bargaining. Collective bargaining. Senator Demuzio, I don't know what you were trying to say with your solution. All of us here kould wish that collective bargaining had, in fact, done I f the job. But then you say you shouldn't be down here, 'cause 1et ; collective bargaining do it. But then on the other hand, we 42 j STATE 0F ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY FIRST SPECIAL SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 8th Legislative Day September 20, 1993 should be down here, because when collective bargainlng gets done, We should come down here and do the Work that collective ' bargaining wants us to do. But theGovernoristheonethat called the Session, but we -- he shouldn't be calling the Sesslon. 1 Well, who in the hell should call the Session? After the collective bargaining is done, is that it? The two leaders, okay, then... Shoo. Senator Shaw, God bless you for your concern about senior citizens, but I want to remind you about a little incident that occurred in the spring. There was a bill, Senate Bill 5. Tn fact, Senator Hendon requested to be a hyphenated sponsor and was. That bill passed out of the Senate, 33 votes. Three Democrats voted for it. You weren't one of then . That bill would have frozen the assessments for senior citizens in the State of Illinois. And I would submit to you, if you have that great concern, that you cught to revisit that roll call, and maybe you ought to even show a little more concern by asklng the Speaker of the House why he's holding the bill. 'Cause that would take care of the problem you're concerned about. And again, with this convenient lapse of memory that occurs. Political will. This is my last one. I go* to tell your that one ls the real froster. Senator Collins, I don't know how nany years youdve been in thts Body, but I got to tell you, there hasn't been a year that hasn't gone by that Senator Maitland hasn't had a bill, or I haven't had a bill - and Tom Dunn and I had a bill - to change the whole system of funding. And you know what that would have meant to Chicago this yeaz, if you go back and review it? Three hundred and fifty million dollars. But you know what? The political will wasn't here. Why? Because there was concern about how it would affect this and affect that. Now, let ne tell you, the chief opponent of every one of those is noW a candidate for Governor of the State of Illinois, who was the Chairman of the Revenue Committee, who suddenly has seen the light. ''We ought to be 1 I 43 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY FIRST SPECJAL SESSJON SENATE TRANSCRIPT 8th Legislative Day September 20r 1993 looking at income tax, rather than property tax.'' Wellr where in the hell were they when this was coming up, and Chicago would have benefited? And I got to tell youy if youy as a statewide candidate: Want to demonstrate your political will by saying khat we don 't have political will, I'm going to put in a class action suit that's going to require that the Comptroller have a cosigner. Last, and more importantly, the one thing that is being overlooked in this whole dlscussion today is that we have offered a solution. What the Democrats have offered is What they've offered historically: rhetorlc: irrelevant conversation, demagoguery. And I got to tell you something right now: You've done it again. What you've done is fill the place with hot air, and a11 you're trying to da with your rhetoric is put perfume on manure. I suggest you put your money where your mouth is and vote for this bill.
PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator DeLeo. SENATOR DeLEO: Thank you, Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. I have just some very, very brief comments' and I think that I'm so tired of the finger-pointlng coming fron the City of Chicago, coming from the medla, coming from speclal interest groups. We have lost our focus. We have totally lost our focus. Everybody has nade conments here today, and there are some very valld polnts. In Amendnent No. 4 we -- there are some veryz very valld points in Anendment No. 4. But let ne go back to one very simple concept: We are supposed to fund education: not run education. That's what our primary responsibility is, to send the dollars to Chicago , to these school districts. We got a little pothole and velre tryin: to fill it up wlth boulders. We don 't know, uneil khe contract is done, how big thak hole is going to be. Now, Ladies and Gentlemen, we a11 have the same, same goal here, is to 44 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY FIRST SPECIAL SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 8th Legislative Day September 20, 1993 get the Chicago schools open, but for God sakes, let's -- let's find out what the hole 's going to be. You know, in the '80s - and the majority of this Body has been here ln the '80s in one House or the other Chamber - in the '80s, we had money in that treasury. Everybody that came down here we opened our arms and gave them money - money - because we had a treasury with a plus balance. We 1 I don't have a plus balance. This is the '90s. These plans that I have been floated out here the last two Weeks are good plans. The i Mayor's plan is good. Pate Philip 's plan is good . Emil Jones ' plan ls good. Because it's creative financing. We/re not giving them noney. Vince Demuzio said people have the perception theyfre 1 going to come down here and weI.re going to bail out the Chicago I public schools. Wedre not balling out anything . We're trying to get -- be creative. There's cuts that have to be made. There 's changes that have to be made. There's LSCS, Chapter 1 monies. There's a million things that -- everybody's got to give a little bit to get these schools open. There isn't one person in this Chamber that doesn't want to see the children in schools. 3ut letls not lose our focus. Let's go back. We fund education; We don't run education. We have the Finance Authority that We created in the '80s. We have the School Board. We have the Board. We have the LSCS. We have the CTUS. Let them run education. Come back here, give us a number, what their hole is, and wedll try and take these great ideas - no pension money. There 's some great reform packages in here. There's some things that everybody in this Chamber can agree on. Wedre a little too premature. And you know what, Ladies and Gentlemen of thls Chamber? We6re getting the blame for something that We shouldn't be having the blame. Let 's find out what they need and ccme back here and fund it. Thank you, Mr. President.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) : senatcr Mccracken. ! ; 45 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY FIRST SPECIAL SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 8th Legislative Day September 20, 1993 SENATOR MeCRACKEN: The Covernor called a Speclal Session because Mayor Daley had J the courage to take on the Teachers ' Union on behalf of the children of your City of Chicago. That is why We're here today. His work program changes, which he had sought last spring and which the minority party defeated on numerous occasions, were resurrected in the Daley plan to save the schoolchildren of the City of Chicago . Those and others are incorporated in the Republican plan before you today. So the claim of undue intervention rings hollow. It was the Mayor wha had the courage to ask the Governor, who agreed to do so. That is Why we're down here. We're not down here on some fishing expedltion to take advantage of the City of Chicago's problems. We're here to try to correct them. We are here at the -- at the invitation of the I Chief Executive of the City of Chicago, the body -- or the person who appoints the Chicago School Board. That's Why Wedre here. And to talk about intervention, I haven't heard one Democrat get up and say, ''What's wrong with these federal courts intervening in this strike, or in this labor dispute?'' 1, for one, am offended by the federal court's intervention. It belongs, if anywhere, no further away from Chicago than Springfleld. And when your Mayor asks us ta get invokved, to solve this problem , to take on the Union to the extent we have to for the sake of the chikdren, that's why we were here. And we are not going to apologize for it.
PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Molaro.
Thank you, Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. Senator Mccracken, 1'11 be the first Democrat to say it: I'm offended by the federal court getting involved; that's one. Thing number two, Senator DeLeo started, and I hope We continue it: 46 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY FIRST SPECIAL SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 8th Leglslative Day Septenber 20, 1993 Everybody in this room is trying to get it solved. I Want to say i one thing: I -- my district -- my ward happens to have the Board of Education headquartersp and my district, I'm told' has the most public schools in the State of Illinois - 12th District. I have to say one thing about the Union. I think everybody Was in this room. I voted for vouchers, and I voted against the Union when lk come to the twenty-day rule. So, no one can call me a stooge for the Union. However, we don't have a Union menber who 's a Member of the Senate, and I have to just defend what one of the Senators said earller. I think the Union has good lntentions in what it 's trying to do. To say that the Union is not for the children is klnd of rough. The thing I Nant to talk about with other freshmen is just real quickly, we're stuck with what Was done years ago in this Body and aeross the hall with Republican and Democratie votes, Republican and Democratlc Governors. In 1968, they decided, in their infinlte wisdom, to have collective bargainin: and to have a union. Sonetimes we have to look ae vhae exactly is a public employee unlon. I still can't figure out exactly what theylre trying to do , because we tell the CTU to go in and negotiate wlth the Board of Education. That's what -- that's hoW we set this up. The Union goes and negotiates With the Board. When the Union acts like a union, we skart screaming at them in Springfleld, saylng: ''How dare you go to bat for your membership? How dare you try to get for your membership the best possible deal? If you're trying to get the best possible deal for ycur members, you nust be agalnst the kids in the City of Chicagov'' And that's crazy. The Unian's out there being exactly what Ehey should be, and that's a union. Jackie Vaughn and her people and a1l the people of the Union are out trying to get the best deal for their nembership. They'd be crazy if they didn't. What's 1 ! rokten is the system. We have them negotlate with ehe Board of p Education. We tell the Board: HHere's what you getz 2.5 billion. i ! 47 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY FIRST SPECIAL SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 8th Legislative Day September 20, 1993 So when you go and negctlate, you can't talk money. You don 't have the authority ko talk money.o Everywhere else in private industry, wben you 're there with the negotiators, the negotiakors are the -- are the owners of the company. They can decide to give more money anytime they want. So now when we call for a Special Session, what We're telling the Union and the Board, wedre telling them: ''Hey, Springfield may bail you out. We miqht qive you more money.'' So how could the Unton and -- negotiate in good faith? How can the Board actually negotiate in good faith when they don't even know what kind of money theypre talking abaut? 'Cause Springfield may come up with three hundred and fifty milllon, two hundred and forty million. We may come up with five hundred nilllon dollars. So the Union canft, if theydre -- if they 're sharp union people, and if they're true advocatesr they got - and they are - they got to cone out and sayz ''Wel1, We want what's coming to our nembership.'' We have to 1et then knowr or maybe sonehow figure out a way, and we a11 know somewhere down along the line we're going to solve this problem. I an just hoping that somewhere along the line when this problem - temporary problem - is solved, we won't do like we always do, which is strictly crisis management: solve the problem of the day, move on and forget about it; that we somehcw get toqether and start looking at things such as the School Board. Are they there to protect the children or the taxpayers? Who does the Union negotiate with? The people at large or a school board that's not in charge of money? We should look at these problems because I think we're here because of the fact that we have a problem without a solution; that we have a Rubik's Cube thaE is absolutely ' unsolvable. Thank you. PRESIDTNG OFFTCER; (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Maitland. I I
I 48 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY FIRST SPECIAL SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 8th Legislative Day September 20y 1993 Thank you very much, Mr. President and Members of the Senate. With the exceptlon of a couple of speakers on the other side of the aisler you've attempted to tell us a11 *he reasons in the world that the Chicago schools should not open, and find that, quite frankly, very shocking. Senator Demuzio - and a number have responded to your question, and I am too the Chief Executive of this State called us back to Springfield because he Was concerned about the boys and girls in the City of Chlcago. We're not starting out with this problem at ground zero, an index of zero. Wedre talking about starting out from a deficit posityon - a dramatically, serious deficit position that requires some sort of State action. I'm almost sick to death of reading about a1l the comments with respect to the General Assembly, and the Governor, and the Mayor, and the School Board, and everybody else, by the Chicago medla. Some justified and some not. But I would submit to you, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate, that unless we'd establlsh some broad parameters within which they can negotiate to, once that agreement is reached, or tentative açreement is reached in the City of Chicago, we WLl1 come back here and never solve the problem. This give us gives them something to work to. They have a known quantity of revenue. Absolutely do. Without lt they have absolutely nothing. Chapter It's to be concluded by some of you on that side of the aisle that with this change in Chapter 1, that that money a11 of a sudden falls into some sewer someplace, because it goes to Pershing Road. In fact, that money goes back to the school. Maybe slightly differently, but at least goes backy hopefully, to boys and girls, probably wikh as much assurance as -- as it is now going. But the fact of the matter is, the money goes there. Senator del Valle and others, I was around here for '85 Reform . I Was one of the cosponsors. I worked on that issue for two solid years. It was not an easy sell in my Republican Caucusz because you know why? 49 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY FIRST SPECIAL SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 8th Legislative Day September 20, 1993 Because eighty-five percent of '85 Reform directed ltself to at-risk boys and girls. Boys and girls who Were in need : boys and girls who were at risk of academlc failure. And I sold the concept in my caucus on the point that if we directed money to those boys and girls, that they would become good students as well. And it's working. Not funding it to the level we should be, but the Chicago School District, Ladies and Gentlemen, gets a preponderance of that money. And that point cannot be forgotten. I wlsh every Democrat had a chance to be in the leadershlp meetings with Senator Philip and the Governor, when he's therer when we sit and talk about the number one issue: HoW do We get four hundred and eleven thousand boys and girls in the City of Chicago back in the classroomr and keep them there? We are there for that purpose. Senatar DeAngelis, you made the point. We have a plan. We have something that will get the boys and girls back there and keep them there. We care for the Chicago school students as much as we do for our own. They deserve a quality education like ours do, and I would submit to you that this plan will realize that.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Jacobs.
Thank you, Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. Senator DeAngelis, first of all, the symbol of our party is a donkey, not a jackass, and everyone knows that an elephant a11 elephants - have bigger asses than jackasses or donkeys either one. We have jackasses in both parties. I thlnk we've clearly identifked that today. We probably had today gridlock at its best. And I'm Wondering with a11 of the bashing of the teachers, the School Board , the Union, and the words of Who's responsibke and who is irresponsible, who is for the kids and who is not for the kids; maybe we're losing sight of one thing. We have not been 50 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY FIRST SPECIAL SESSION j SENATE TRANSCRIPT 8th Leglslative Day September 20, 1993 i able to get this issue resolved over the past couple weeks with the pracess we're using. And I don't kncw about you, but I know many of my constituents back home are saying, ''What the hell did ; we elect you for? Every time we turn around all you're doing is going down and voting on something, or you 're going to react to something that five people got together and decided for you.'' Maybe it's time that we take this process back. Maybe it 's tlme that we sit down and discussed this in open forum, as we have now - it's a good exercise; I still believe in it - and try to come up I with a solution. I look at this a little bit today and -- and I say, well, we're not playing politics with this amendmenty but yet I IseelanguageinherethatIhavenever,everseeninmy time of f ; seven years - maybe I've missed it - in the enactment stage of Section 99, which says that if it doesn't get thirty-six votes, ! i and it gets less than that, that it's going to be -- take place in July of '94. What that tells me is you know darned well that you i got your votes; that you 1re golng to get your simple majority. You're going to get it out, but youdre not going to get the thkrty-six votes. Then it's going to go to the other side of the ! rotunda. And we'll a11 make the asses of ourselves again, if you will. And it will go down the tubes, and we'11 be right back to page one again. This is an exercise, folks. It's an exercise in I futility. ft is not helping the kids. r think it's time, maybe, that we take a little more interest and take the process back, and discuss this in open forum and come up with a good solution. This happens not to be a goad one. Thank you.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Jones.
Thank you, Mr. President and Members of the Senate. And I raised that questicn several times with my esteemed colleaque, Senator Philip: Why are we here today? Why are we bringing 51 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY FIRST SPECIAL SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 8th Legislative Day September 20, 1993 Members down here, wasting taxpayers' money, paying al1 this per dlem, uhen all you really Want is a show for the medta? A theater-ln-the-round, more or less. Because when Senator Philip called me last Thursday, I asked him, I said, ''Why not al1 four of us come together, including the Governor, and resolve the issue? Let's not go down there uith a one-person plan to Ery and solve Chicago schools.n The Governor called a Special Session. And let me say this to you freshmen legislators: I've been here twenty years. There have been other Special Sessions, but this is the first time that the Chief Executive have called a Special Session and didn't have any plan whatsoever. Senator Syverson, you said the same thing. HThere is no reason to qo down there if there is no agreement'' - Rockford Journal Star, week and a half ago. Senator Philip sald the same thing just this past week: nWhy should we go down there if there is no agreemenk?'' Look at that clock right there. It's broken. But one thing that clock will do for you, you will qet the correct time at least tWice a day. That's more than we get from the other side. Governor Edgar said last year, ''Mayor Daleyr I'm for the third airport.'' Year before last that was. ''I'm golng to help you get the third airport.n I'm still seeing where those votes are coming from for Lake Calumet. He said in the spring of this year, ''I'm for riverboats for Chlcago.'' never saw those boats come about. And in the meeting in July, when We were in overtime, kept insisting, We must resolve the problem of the Chicago schools. The Governor, Senator Philip said, HWedre gcing to have Special Session, and wepre going to do riverboatsr and deal with the schools at that tlme .'' I said , d'No , got -- it must be done now.'' No support. And What is the first thing the Governor said When he called a Special Session? ''No riverboats.'' One thing ycu learn in this Body, your word must mean something. No good Nord come from the Second Floor. And I always raise that question. I want to 52 STATE 0F ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY FIRST SPECIAL SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 8th Legkslative Day September 20: 1993 resolve the problem . I do not like the fact that the other side of the aisle and the Second Floor is playing politics with the i education of the children in the Chicago publlc school system . We could9ve resolved the borrowing ln July. And I put the same : borrowing plan before Senator Phillp and the other leadersy but the support was not there because you want to hold the children of Chicago hostage. Youdre talklng about a Democratic plan. Sure we had a Democratic plan. We had a plan that included this o1d game that the Governorîs been playing all these years. The shell game to close the back door. We put money in from the Lottery; We put money in from the rtverboatsr and the Governor, like a thief in the night, keeps pulling it out the back door. That's what wedve been going through. And you takk about wanting to help Chteago. If you want to help Chicago, give Chtcago What the rest of the State has. Let them solve their own problems. Not one dine is being requested of the State of Illinois to solve Chicago 's problens. But there have been times, you know, when you talk about taxes. There have been times when even Dupage County and some downstate, you want to solve some internal problems. We have been supportive of you dolng such. We -- we even passed legislation to give Dupage County some -- some -- some Water from Lake Michigan. Had I been in on the deal, you would stlll be paying, because we did not hold the people of Dupage County hostage. But youdre wanting to hold four hundred thousand children hostage so you can push forward your own political agenda. That is Wrong. And 1et -- you talk about Chapter 1. It took me fifteen years to get that language in place where the dollars are directed - fifteen years to :et that done. And nowy the way this bill is draftedr you're going to take a11 the money - a11 the money - and use it as General Revenue Pund. So let's quit playing these silly games. Thks is a theater; you want to put on a show for the media. Well, you 9ot your show , at the Waste of I 53 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY FIRST SPECIAL SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 8th Legislative Day September 20, 1993 the taxpayers' dollars for them to pay for it. If you Were 1 genuine, if you were sincere, you would have dealt with thls issue I in July. But, no; you wanted to play silly games. Not one dine - E not one dime - is Chicago asking for. At the conclusion of the fiscal year for the Boardr it had a surplusp but the other school distrlcts across the State of Illinois oWe over a hundred and twenty-slx million dollars. And I hear a lot of talk about the pension, but some of you have a very short memory. Just year 1 before last, Governor Edgar took a lot Of State dollars and used the -- used that to pay E0r the State employees' pension. Four ' percent. Four percent, he used. Bub yOu Won't hear him talking I about that . Let 's quit playing these silly games . I told my I ' esteened colleague, Senator Philip, when you called me, I said, ''The House Won 't be in Session. There is no agreement.'' And on I your own word - and I quoted you - you said, ''Why should We even be here?' ' Senator Syverson <sic> talking about the tax rate in I the city of chicago. But if you look at the City of Chlcago, the burden of the taxpayers, the honeowners supporting all these folks ! from al1 across the suburbia area coming in there to raise the tax rate. Transportaticn, congestion and so forth. So -- and I see it. 1 know ghat Senator Hendon ts talking about. Those same cars I see cruising with the suburban license plates -- stickers. So let's quit playing those -- stop playing those silly games. We are not asking for anything - anything - that the other school districts across the State of Illinois has. And -- and my esteened Revenue Chairmane -- I'm sorry. I mean, Assistant Majority Leader. I thought the other fellow had the Chakrmanship, Rauschenberger. But what I'm saying is -- is this: Give Chlcago what it is entitled to, and quit trying to hold the children hostage on the pretense that you Want to help them. If you wanted to help them you would have voted for the plan in the Executive Commtttee that the Senate Democrats put forward. So I encourage ! 54 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY 1 FIRST SPECIAL SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 8th Legislative Day September 20, 1993 I the Members - a1l Members on this side of the aisle - the show is over. This is the last call. It costs the taxpayers - I don't know what the per dien is - to see this show that my esteemed colleaque wanted to put on. But agatn, this is not the last call as far as *he act is concernedz because we must come back when all parties agree, and I urge every Member in this Chamber to vote No on House Bill 525. I
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Any further discussion? If not, Senator Watson, to close.
Well, thank you. Thank you, Mr. President. I guess I'm kipd of disappointed with the prevlous speaker. I Was hoping that we would see some bipartisanship in an attempt to solve the problems af the public schools of Chicago, but obviously, that maybe isn't the case here today. You know, you have a school system in which you graduate less than fifty percent of those young people Who enroll. To me that's a -- that's a school district that's got some problems. And that's a school district that's broker and We need to fix it. And we don't fix it, Senator Jones, by simply i sendlng more money . And that's the message that you've given to the people of Illinois today, is just give us more money. That's not the answer. We try to address that in House Bill 525. We create some reforns that we think are necessary in order to create a better education system for the young people - the four hundred I and eleven thousand young people - of the City of Chicago. I want to go through and address several of the questions that were -- that were brought up, and some cf the comments by Members on both I sides of the aisle, and the issue dealing W1th the Chapter 1 money. And I want to reiterate What President Philip mentioned; that we are not taking money away . We are freezing that revenue at two hundred and thirty million dollars, and in fact, we are increasing it by twenty milllon dollars, because there was forty ' 55 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY FIRST SPECIAL SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 8th Legislative Day September 20, 1993 nillion dollars that wasn't spent in Chapter 1 funding. And that money that was spent, remember. Remember Channel 2, WBBM. Remember them , and the message that they fve sent ko the people of Chicago and the message that you're sending by not supportlng this issue; that the Chapter l money is being contracted away with -- with former employees. Thousands and hundreds of thousands of dollars for trips to Lake Geneva, to NeW Mexico. Is ehat what you want? Is that what you think Chapter 1 funding's for, is for some teacher registration and convention in New Mexico? No. I don't believe it is. But that's what wedre doing, and that's what's being done now . The delay of the effective date. Seems to be much concern about the delaying of the effective date. We have a budget for the City of Chicago public schools of 2.6 billion dollars. The bands that We 're talking about is a hundred and twenty-one -- hundred and twenty million dollars the first year. The School Finance Authority has said that their plan is to issue those bonds in the latter part of the year. They can operate on existing funds. So that hundred and twenty million dollars eould be made avaklable during those last two months of the school year. Several of you conmented about the effective date and the language thatls in here that says if We don't receive the thirty-six votes necessary to make thls immedlate. I want to refer back to July 2nd. And many of you have referred to this debate, July 2nd, 1988, in which one of the former speakers talked about making lemonade out of lemons. And that lndividual knows Who he is. But let ne -- let ne just tell you What he said here, and this is one of the pluses: HAlthough there's a delayed effective date, everyone will know that we, speaking for the people of the State of Illinois, are requiring, as far as reform is concerned, and I suggest to you and I suggest to then - the people of Illinois - that many of these steps in this reform plan can begin immediately. They don't have to wait for the law .'f So this has ) 56 STATE OF ILLINOIS I 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY FIRST SPECIAL SESSION i SENATE TRANSCRIPT ! 8th Legislative Day September 20, 1993 i been done before. And -- and later on in debate former President Philip talked about the implementations of this legislation -- former President Rock talked aboue ehe implemeneation of the Chicago reform package at a later date, because the effective date was delayed. You know, one of the speakers talked about my concern, or why -- why is Frank Watson, from Greenville, Illinois, concerned about the public school kids of Chicago? Wellr I want I to tell you: Why don't you come down to my district and go to the I ; Vandalia Correctional Center? Why don't you come down to my ! distrlct and go to the Centralia Correctional Center? Why don't you qo to Vince Demuzio's district and go to the Graham Correctional Center? And unfortunately - unfortunately - many of those residents and inmates in the correctional system are a 1 product - a product - of the lack of education in the public schools of Chicago. Thatls why I'm concerned about it, because ny taxpayers' money and your taxpayers' money goes to fund the correctional systen . And you tell me thak the Chicago public edueatlon system isn't broke. It needs fixing, and that's what Wesre attempting to do. Collective bargalnlng. I've sat in the Education Committee in the House and the Senate for fourteen years. For fourteen years I've seen us cran down the throats of local school boards mandate after mandate after mandate. And Where's it coming from? It wasn't coming from us. We dve finally put a halt to tt. In the Republican Education Committeer as myself as Chairman and the other five Members, wedve said enough is enough. Mandates have come to a halt ln the State of Illinois. But the -- but the piosity -- just *he remarks and the a*titude of some of those on the other side of the aisle, unfortunately, lead me to believe that a1l of a sudden they are the champions of demandates. You know, Mayor Daley came up with a plan. Mayor Daley - whether it's political or not - tries ko solve the problem of the public schools of Chicago. Many of his provisicns are ' 57 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY FIRST SPECIAL SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 8th Legislative Day September 20# 1993 I embraced in our proposal. From the City Hall of Chicago: it's a bipartisan effort. He Wants to see the schools reopen. And it 1 should be a bipartisan effort on the Floor of the Senate taday . ; Politics seems to enter into it, and any time I've talked to anybody about this - I don't care Whether it's been on the Second 1 Floor or in -- with these -- Pershing Road or Nith the Mayor's i people - I saidx HWhy is it always political? Why is it the I decision has to always be worried about the implication of I ! politics?'' We're talking about four hundred and eleven thousand students in the schools of Chicago. Many of you didn't even nention it on this Floor, and that ought to be our concern, of creating an environment in which those kids have got a future, an : opportunity. Senator DeLeo; 1 have to congratulate you on many of 1 I your remarks. There is no State money involved in this program . We thknk that this is a problem of the City, and We're trying to help resolve that. But there's no State dollars in here. And I When you say that it's premature to talk about thks, we were under a temparary restrakning order. The 23rd of September the curtain i comes down. And what happens at that point? We think we ought to be a part of the solution, and that's what wedre doing here today. ! You know, ge talked about -- ane of the previous speakers I ; mentloned thisreport: ''AViewfrontheElementarySchools: The 1 State of Reform in Chicago.'' He talked about thls report and the - - the importance of the reforms, and -- and the speaker was correct: Reforms are working ln many of the areas of the City. But this report doesn't bear out, necessarily, What the speaker J was referring to. It talks about, in i*s summary, that the short-term trends in student achievement are not very informative at this particular pointr and that they will be doing a report in the fukure to discuss the implementakions of Chlcago School Reform and what theydre doing for the young people. Test scores. What haveweseenintestscores? Notnecessarllyamajorimprovement. p 58 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY FIRST SPECIAL SESSION ' SENATE TRANSCRIPT 8th Legislative Day September 20, 1993 Attendance, no. Graduation ratey certainky not. But maybe, I guess, somebody just feels good about this report and about What's happening ën Chicago. And that is importantz but it's the young people who ultimately will pay the price. And one of the speakers says, 'What are we doing here today?'' Well, T just want to nake it certaln that at least some of the Members of this Bcdy, and hopefully the majority, and hopefully thirty-six, are concerned about those people who are caught up in this trap - those four hundred and eleven thousand kids - Who Want to have an opportunlty, like you and I have had an opportunity, to succeed in life; to have a future. And that's What this ls a11 about. And that's what you 're going to see a roll call from this side of the aisle, is the vast majority of us are concerned about tbat future for those young people. And I urge you to vote Yes.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) The question is, shall House Bill 525 pass. Those in favor will vote Aye. Opposedr Nay. The voting is open. Have a1l voted who wish? Have a11 voted Who Wish? Have a11 voted who wish? Take the record . On that question, the Ayes are 30, the Nays are 29, none voting Present -- 28, excuse me. 28 Nays, 30 Ayes. The bill, having received the required constitutional majority, is declared passed. On Supplemental Calendar No . 1, there appears House Bl11 795. Far what purpose Senator Donahue arlse? Senator Dcnahue.
Thank your Mr. President. I Would like to request a change of -- sponsorship , please, for House Bill 795. It now reads Donahue-3erman. I would like to change it to Watson-Berman.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Senator Donahue has moved to change sponsorship of House Bill 795 from Senator Donahue, dash Berman, to Senator Watson. Without objection, so ordered. Senator german, for what purpose do you 59 1 1 STATE OF ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY FIRST SPECIAL SESSION ' SENATE TRANSCRIPT 8th Legislative Day September 20, 1993 arise?
Wellr I -- T always llke to follow the lead of Senator I Donahue. So 1'11 just ask that my name be removed as a cosponsor, without even knowing what 's going to happen to 795. 1 PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR MEAVERj Is there leave? Leave is granted. Mr. Secretary, read the bill.
House Bill 795. (Secretary reads title of bill) 2nd Reading of the bill. No commlttee ar Floor amendments.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Have there been any Floor amendments approved for consideration?
No amendments reported, Mr. President.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) 3rd Reading. For what purpose Senator Demuzio arise? SENATOR DEMUZIO ) Thank youy Mr. President. I would just like -- rise to inquire as to what the schedule for the remainder of the day, and perhaps some knowledge about when -- when We dre coming back, if ever .
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) Next Wednesday will be a perfunctory Session dayr unless the Members are otherwise notified . Next Wednesday will be perfunctory, unless otherwise notified. For what purpose does Senator Hendon arise?
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I just rise to inquire about three pieces of legislation that I filed dealing with this crisis 60 STATE 0F ILLINOIS 88TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY FIRST SPECIAL SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 8th Legislative Day September 20e 1993 calling for elected school board in the City of Chicagor and other two bllls. Has it been sent to committee? I can't I don't see anythinq here.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) The Secretary informs me that you have filed no bills. Senator Hendon.
The the bills have been flled. They were filed on Frldayr but will -- will yield to -- to just see if...
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR WEAVER) If you'd check with the Secretary, Senator Hendon. If there 's no further business, Senator Philip moves the Senate stand adjourned. All in favor: signify by saying Aye. Opposed, Nay. We stand adjourned. 61 HEPORT: TIFLDAX STATE OF ILLIMOIS 9V/11/29 PZGE: 001 88TH GENEBAL ZSSEHBLY 1k:02:51 SENATE DAILY THAMSCHIPTION 0F DEBATE INDEX SPECIAL SESSION 11 1 SEPTEHBER 20, 1993 H8-0525 RECALLED PAGE 3 : H8-0525 THIRD REZDING PZGE 8 H8-0795 SECOND REZDING PAGE 60 HB-0795 OTHER PAGE 59 SUBJECT MATTER SEPZTE TO ORDER-PRESIDENT PHILIP PZGE 1 PRAYER-FATHER KRZFT PZGE 1 JOURNZLS-APPROVED PZGE 1 JOUBNAL-POSTPQNQ; PZGE 1 COHHITTEE REPORTS PZGE 1 AT EASE PAGE 2 SENZTE RECONVESES PZGE J ADJOURNHENT PAGE 61 ' j I