The regular Sesslon of the 89th General Assembly *il1 please come to order. Will the Members please be at kheir desks and will our guests the galleries please rise. Our prayer today wtll be given by the Reverend Rita Nafzingerr Wesley United Methodist Church, Springfleldy Illinois. Reverend Nafzinger.
(Prayer by the Reverend Rita Nafzinger)
We'11 have the Pledge Allegiance from Senator Sieben. Senator Sieben.
(Pledge of Allegiancez 1ed by Senator Sieben)
Mr. Secretary, Reading of the Journal.
Senate Journals of Wednesday, November 1st; Thursdays November 2nd: and Friday, November 3rd, 1995.
Senator Butler.
Mr. President, move that the Journals just read by the Secretary be approved, unless some Senator has additions or ccrrections to offer.
Senator Butler moves to approve the Journals just read. There being no objectton, so ordered. Messages.
A Message from the Secretary of State. To the Honorable Members of the Senate/ 89th General Assembly have nomlnated and appointed *he following named person to the office enumerated below and respecefully ask STATE OF ILLINOES 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY kEGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT I 64th Legislative Day November l4, 1995 concurrence in and confirmation of this appointment by your honorable Body: Commissioner of the Merit Commission for the Office I of Secretary of State. Respectfully , George H . Ryan, Secretary of State. Dated November 1 7th, 1995. I Another Message from the Secretary of State. 1 To the Honorable Members of the Senate, 89th General I 1 Assembly - I have nominated and appointed the followlng named I person to the office enumerated below and respectfulty ask l 1 concurrence in and confirmation of this appointment by your I honorable Body. 1 1 Respectfully, George H . Ryan, Seeretary of State. Dated November i 7th, 1995. i I PRESTDENT PHILIP: ' I Senator Burzynski, for what purpose do you arise? I I
I Mr. President, I move to suspend Senate Rule 10-l(b) in order I t 1 o allow the Senate Executive Appointnents Commlttee to consider I in today's posted neeting the Message just read by the Secretary.
A1l those in favor, signify by saying Aye. Those opposed, Nay. The motion is -- carries. Senator Shadidy for what purpose do you arise?
Mr. Presidenty I rise as a point of personal privilege.
State your point.
I'm pleased to have joining us today, in the Senate Gallery right behind me, one of my constituentsr Rathleen togsdon: from Peoria Helghtsyandalso Anne Bertel:from Paris,France - not to 1 1 2 STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT i 64th Leglslative Day November 14y 1995 be confused with Paris, Illinols. I'd like to have us Welcome I I them. I 1 PRESIDENT PHILIP: I Will they please rise and be recognized by thq Senate . I I Resolutions. I
Senate Resolution 119, offered by Senator Shaw and all I Members. It's a death resokution, Mr. President. I
consent calendar. ' SECRETARY HARRY: ' Senate Joint -- or Senate Resoluticn 120, offered by Senator , Watson. And Senate Resolution 121, offered by Senator Jacobs. ' I Along with Senate Joint Resolution 69, offered by Senator I I Berman. j They Ire al1 substantlve . I i PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-RARIS) I ! Introduction of Billsr Mr. Secretary. I 1 SECRETARY HARRY: I Senate Bill 1239, offered by Senators Cronin and Philip. I I (Secretary reads title of bill) I I And Senate Bill 1240, also offered by Senators Cronin and j Philip I . 1 (SPCVPERrX rpads blble Of bill) I 1 1st Reading of the bikls. i PRESIDING OFFICER i : (SENATOR CEO-KARIS) I Commibtee Reports. i I SECRETARY HARRY: I l Senator Woodyardz Chair of the Committee on Agrieulture and Conservation, reports Senate Amendment 3 to House Bill 965 Be I I I 3 STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLV REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 64th Legislative Day November 14, 1995 ' ! I Adopted. 1 And Senator Karpiel, Chair of the Committee on Executive, 1 j j reports House Joint Resolution 38 Be Adoptedr as Amended. 1 I PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) j Could Ne have a little less convivial conversation? It's the i intent of the chair to go to page 4 of today's calendar. Page 4 I i of today's Calendar is the Order of Motions in Writing, Accept I 1 Specific Recommendatians for Change. Read the motionr Madam i I Secretary. i ACTING SECRETARY HAWKER: i ' i I move to accept the specific recommendations of the Governcr j 1 as to House Bil1 1070, in manner and form as follows: i i Amendment to House 3i1l 1070 I I in Acceptance of Governorfs Recommendations ; Offered by Senator Petka I . I PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) i i We need your undivided attention. There's a motion in Nriting 1 1 to accept special Isicl reeommendation fcr change cn House Bill i i 1070. Senator Petka. I I SENATOR PETKA: j Tha i nk you, Madam President, Members of the Senate. The 1 Governor, in his -- when he amendatorily vetoed this leglslationf I added a technlcal correction Nhich permitted a municipality to -- 1 i in addition to collecting land, also to collect moneys and enforce 1 an annexation agreement. There were questlons that were raised When this bill I was presented a couple of weeks ago. Those people i who had questions have had them satisfactorily answered. I would i 1 move fOr acceptance of the amendatory veto. I 1 PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) j i I Senator Petka has moved to accept the specific recommendations 1 of the Governor as to House Bill 1070. 1 Any discussion? Any -- 1 any discussion? Heartng none, the question is, shall the senate I 4 STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESGION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 64th Legtslative Day November l4, 1995 j i accept the specific recommendatlons of the Governor as to House I Btlk 1070, in the manner and form just stated by Senator Petka. Those in favor, vote Aye. Those cpposedy vote Nay. And the voting is open. Have all voted kho wished? Hav: a11 voted Who wished? Rave all voted Who Wish? Madam Secretary, take the record. On this question, there are 54 Yeasr none voking Noz 1 voting Present. And the specific recommendatlons of the Governor as to House Bill 1070, havinq been received -- having received the required constitutional majority vote of the Senators elected, are hereby declared accepted. House Bi1l 1202, Madam Secretary. ACTING SECRETARY HAWXER: 1 move to accept the specific recommendations of the Governor as to House Bill 1202, in manner and form as fclloWs: Amendment to House Bill 1202 in Acceptance oë Governor's Recommendations Offered by Senator Wocdyard. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Woodyard. Just a moment, Senator Wcadyard. Ladles and Gentlemen of the Senater I wonder if I could appeal to ycu to glve us a little bit more of your attention. We're passing bills here that are important to the State of Illinois and to the people f Illinols. May I please have your attention. Senator Woodyard . ! senator Woodyard wants the bill out of the record. House Bill 1267. Senator Dunn -- Donahue. I'm sorry. Senator Donahue. ; Hcuse Bill 1267. Out of the record? Did you Want this out of the 1 j ' record or are you ready to proceed? Out of the record. Senate i i Bill -- I mean, Hause Bi1l 2465. Senator Watson. Read the motlon, Madam Secretary. . : ACTING SECRETARY HAWKER: I move to accep: the specific recommendations of the Governor as to House Bill 2465, in manner and form as follogs: : Amendment to House Bt1l 2465 5 j . ) ' . STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSIO: SENATE TRANSCRIPT 64th Legislative Day November l4, 1995 l in Acceptance of Governor's Recommendations Offered by Senator Watson. . PRESIDING OFFICER 1 : (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) ' Senator Watson. SENATOR WATSON: j Yes. Thank you, Madam Presldent. This is the Wekfare Reform I i Task Force Ehat passed this General Assembly. The Task Force Will I I be appointed by Legislative Leaders and the Governor. The I Governor amendatorily vetaed thisr asking for nore public 1 I membership, and he also wants to appoint the chairman. He is l I increasing the membership from three to six members of the public, j i appointment by the Governor, and he also asks for the appointment I of the chairman. Be glad to answer any questions; otherwise, I 1 1 would appreciate the support of the Body. I 1 PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) 1 Senator Watson has moved to accept the specific i I recpmmendations of the Governor as to House Bill 2465. Is there 1 I any discussion? Senator Demuzio. Senator Demuzio. SENATOR DEMUZIO: I I I'm sorry, Madam President. I could hear on thls side. I I 1 couldn't hear on the other side. If Senator Watson would please, j again, indlcate for the record the reconmendations that the 1 I . Governor is making. I thought I also heard him say something to 1 the effect that the Governor wishes to make the appointment himself to the Task Force. Perhaps you might spend a moment and 1 run us back through that agaln,please. 1 i PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) I May I we please give Senator Watson your attention, to respond. 1 Senator Watson. SENATOR WATSON: I Yes. Thank you. The Governor wishes to appoint the chairman 1 of the Task Force and he Wants ta increase his appointments from : 1 6 1 STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 64th Legislattve Day November l4, 1995 I 1 three to six members. I 1 PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-XARIS) ' senator Demuzio. j SENATOR DEMUzIo: I Well, in a situation where the Legislature creates tbe task i force, it -- is it -- is this precedent, whereby the Governor i I Wishes to accept -- wishes to appoint the chairperson? j PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-XARIS) 1 1 Senator Watson. I i SENATOR WATSON: ' 1 No. This is not unusual at all, j I FRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-RARIS) j Senator Demuzio . I I SENATOR DEMUZIO: I W i ell, did the Governor indicate to you Why he Wanted to have 1 the sole authority and prerogatlve of appoinulng the chairman to I I this particular Task Force? And do We know...lmicrophone j cutoffl.v.rationale is behind hls wanting to do this? I I PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-ZARIS) I Senator Watson. I SENATOR WATSOH: Well, the Governor just felt that there should be a ehairman 1 appointed, and he felt that he should be the one making that appaintment, which I have no problem with. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Demuzto . SENATOR DEMUZIO: 1 Seklz I guess it's usual, ordinary and customary to have a I chairman, but in thls particukar instance he Wanted one and then be wanted also to have some authority over the direction that the 1 , I Task Force Nould take. Is that eorrect? PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) 1 I I 7 STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 64th Legislative Day November l4, 1995 I Senator Watson.
Well, I would assume that Would be the case. Yes. He's I I askinq for an additional number af mpmbers to be appointed by the I Governor and he's asking Eo appoint the chatrman. That's the ' I third time I think I've sald it, Madam Presldent.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) SOn8tOf DPMQZIO.
i Then, hoW many members do the Senate President, the Speaker, . and the Minority Leaders now appoint, versus the number of appointmenbs that is commanded by the Covernor in his amendatory veto?
PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Watsan. SENATOR WATSON: I Yes. The President of the Senaee has tNo; the Speaker of the ' I House has two; and the Minority Leader in each respective Chamber I I has one. i PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) I I Are you finished, Senator Denuzto? Senator Demuzio. I SENATOR DEMUZIO: I 1 We -- we ln a hurryy going sonewhere? HoW many appointments I does that give the Governor now?
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Watson. SE l NATOR WATSON: I The original bill called for three and now we're going to I increase that to six.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Any further discussion? Any further discusston? Senator l i Welch. Senator Welch, any further discussion? I I 8 ' ( . . STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 64th Legislative Day Novenber l4, 1995
Yes. I had a questlon of the sponsor.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) He indicates he will yield.
Senator Watson, I thought that the Governor had a uelfare reform ...
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Can we have your attention: please? Senator Watson -- is willing to yleld to your questlcn. Go aheadr please.
Am I -- thank you . Senator Watson, I was under the tmpression the Governor already had a welfare reform proposal and he sent a request for waivers in to the federal government. Is thls golng to be a redundank committeez or is this going to dc something different than what the Governor has already labeled ''welfare reform''?
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-VARIS) Senator Watson.
Yes. You're quite correct. We did have several pieces of legislatlon that passed here that d1d ultimately go to Washington and we did get waivers on. There 's still some Medicaid issues that remain. 3ut this is a -- an entity by whtch I think we need to -- ongoins dtaloque on what we Want to do in regard to Medicald changes and -- and this -- or, Medicaid and welfare chanîes, and this is the apprcach we want to use is to come up with a Eask force to -- to make those recommendations.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Welch .
Thank you. So, Ehe Governor is qetting is shying 9 STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 1 64th Legislative Day November l4y 1995 ' j away from bis previous proposal? Is that -- is that what you,re I I saying? I PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) : i Senqtor Watson.
No, not at all. Tha: has -- that previous legislation that ' passed and the legislation that's stlll before HCFA for review and i hopeful walver has nothing to do with his approach and his action on this particular plece of legislation. i
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) . ! Senator Welch. ; SENATOR WELCH: l Is -- is this Task Force golng to be focusing on puttinq people to Nork, as opposed to just getting them off the public ' I dole? ls that gotng to be the purpose of this Task Force? i FRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) i i Senator Watson. I SENATOR WATSON: ; i Well: as you recallr we -- part of the legislative reform and 5 welfare reform that we passed here lnclude the expirin: of the i proqram called Family with Children -- With Dependent Children i I Program qsicl. We expire that on January lsty 1999. If we are i going to - I believe - put in a responsible replacement, a task i i forae such as this is necessary to come up with the I . recommendatlons. ï i PRESIDING OFFICER: (GENATOR GEO-KAWIS) i Senator Welch. Senator Berman. i i SENATOR BERMAN: i Thank you, Madam President. A question of the sponsor. I PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) ; i He indicates he will yield. l SZNATOR BERMAN: i I i 10 ' y t- -. '' STATE 0F ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 64th Leglslative Day November l4, 1995 i Could you tell me what the divlsion was, assuming khat the Speaker and the President appoint Republicans and the Governor appoints Republicans, before and after the amendatory veto? HoW many Republicans on this Task Force and hoWmanyDenocrats, and 1 ' hoW many Republicans and Democrats after the anendatory veto? I ' PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-ZARIS) I Senator Watson. SENATOR WATSON: I i Well, the -- the Senate President appoints twor Speaker of the I House appoints two, for a Ectal of four. I Would assume that both 1 i those individuals would appoint partlsan indivlduals for a tctal j of four. I i PRESIDING OFFICER 1 : (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) i Senator Berman. i I ! SENATOR BERMAN: 1 No. No. Let me finish. That's four from the Legislature I ! before the amendatory veto. How many did the Governor have before 1 the amendatory veto? I PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) I senatorwatson. 1 SENATORWATSON: 1 1 Three. 1 :
PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) SenatorBerman . 1 SENATORBERMAN: j All righE. So khat before the amendatory veto there were seven Republicans and tWo Democrats. Is thak correct? 1 1 , PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) ' j Senator Watson.
No, thatts not correct, Senator. There will be four Republicans, two appointed by the Senate President, two appointed I I 11 ' .L .- - ..- - .....- - - I STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 64th Legislative Day November 14, 1995 by the Speaker of the House. Those of us Who have Wltnessed some of the appointmenEs by the Second Floor recognize the fact that there's no guarantee what polltical persuasion they may be. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator -- Senator Berman. SENATOR BERMAN: Al1 right. Let me 1et me state it again. Assuming hypothetically - a rash hypothetical - that the people that the Governor appoints are Republicans. Okay? Just -- Let's use that rash hypothetical for just a minute. Before and after, I'd like a comparison so I know What I'm voting on from a partisan point of view. What were the number of Republicans before the amendatory veto? How many -- and what was the number of Democrats before the amendatory veto? After the amendatory veto, hoW many Republicans and how many Democrats? PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Watson. SENATOR WATSON: Assuming that each -- President of the Senate and the Speaker of the House each appoint two Republicans, that's a total of four. The Governor then had three appointments and that Will go to slx. No guaranteer obviously, or no requirement that they have to be of any partisan nature. And reflecting again on -- on his involvement in such things in the pasty I would suggest he will -- he will appoint the best people posstble, regardless of partisan politlcs. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Berman, can you come to a close? SENATOR BERMAN: And -- and under bothy before the amendatory veto and afterz the Minorkty Leader in each House has one appointment. Is that correct? 12 ' j I .. ------. .---.. '' STATE.OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 64th Legislative Day Ncvember l4, 1995
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Watson.
Yes, that's correct.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Berman.
A11 right. On on the issue, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate: I think that before the anendatory veto We had a Task Force that hypothetlcally - and I don't think it's too rash of a hypothetical - wculd have had seven Republicans and tWo Democrats, based upon who was appointing these people. We are now going to have ten Republicans and tWo Denocrats. And even if the Governor is bipartisan, you have anything but a fairly representative commission -- Task Force as a result of this. I would just suggest that we don't need a Task Force; you don 't need a1l of this. Decide this in your oWn caucus and save the taxpayers a lot of money. I'd suggest everybody on this side of the aisle at least vote No.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR CEO-KARIS) Any further discussion? Any further discussion? Hearlng none, Senator Watson, to close.
Well, first of all, Madam President, 1 just -- just for your own information, one of the individuals that I've Worked closely uith from ny district on *he issue of welfare reform is a gentleman by the name of Larry Williams. Larry Williams comes from Marlon County, and Larry Williams is a Democrat. And Larry Williams, from Frank Watson, has been -- I have recommended that Larry Willkams be appointed to this Task Force - a Demccrat. This is not a partisan issue. So we have to do the responsible thing, Madam Presldent. We passed legislation which was granted by the 13 STATE OF ILLINOIS Muà. 8' 9TH GENERAL'ASSEMBLY r' IEGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 64th Legislative Day November 14, 1995 federal governnent, a waiver to totally do away With the program of APDC by January 1st, 1999. For us to replace that with, I think, a Workable solution and ane that will solve the problem of welfare reform and welfare-to-work conceptr a task force such as this is vitally important. The Governor concurs with that. The Governor has asked for more consideration. I agree with the Governor, and I hope you will alsc. And I ask for your support.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Watson has moved to accept the specific recommendattons of House Bi11 2465. The question is, shall the Senate accept the speclfic recommendations of the Governor as to House B#ll 2465, in the manner and form just stated by Senator Watson. Those bn favor will vote Aye. Those opposed will vote Nay. The voting ks open. Have all vcted Who wish? Have all voted who wished? Have al1 voted who wished? Have a11 voted who wished? Take the record . On that question, there are 28 Ayesr 15 Nays and 11 voting Present. And this motion fails. Senator Donahue, were you ready to go to House 3i1l 12672
Yes -- yes, Kadam President. I would appreciate that.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) A1l right. Madam Secretary, will you read House Bill 12672
I move to accept the specific recommendations of the Governor as to House Bi11 1267, in manner and form as follows: AmendmenE to House Bi1l 1267 in Acceptance of Governor's Recommendations Offered by Senator Donahue.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Donahue has moved to accept the speciflc recommendations of the Governor as to House Bill 1267. Any discussion? Any discussion? Any discussion? Hearing none, the 14 t. STATE OF ILLINOIS 6C' 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT I l 64th Leglslative Day November 14, 1995 question is, shall the Senate accept the specific recommendations of the Governor as to House Bill 1267, in *he manner and form just stated by Senator Donahue. Those ln favor will vote Aye. Those in favor - - opposed Will vote Nay. The vating is open. Have all 1 voted gho wished? Have a11 voted who wished? Have all voted who I wished? Take the record. On that question, there are 55 voting i Aye, none voting No, none vctlng Present. The specific 1 recommendaticns of the Governor as to House Bill 1267, having 1 received the required constitutional majority of the vote of the i Senators electedr are hereby declared accepted . Senator Philip, I I for What purpose do you arise? 1 SENATOR PHILIP: j I Thank your Madam President: Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. Point Of personal privllege. I
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) State your point, sir. SENATOR PHILIP: I i Senator Klemm is not here today. He 's had pneumonia. Ilve been 1ed to believe he's going to be out of the hospital sometlme today. He's hoping. And so I'd like to have the record indicate that. And secondly, Senator Cronin is home i11 today and hopefully will be here tomorraw. I'd wish the record to indicate that. Thank you.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) The record will so reflect. Thank youy Senator. On the i middle of page 4 of today's Calendar is the Order of Motions in i Writing to Override Specific Reconmendations for Change. Madam Secretary, call House Bill 1149. Wi1l you read the motion?
I move -- I move that House Bill 1149 do pass, the specific I recommendaticns of the Governor to the contrary notwithstanding. ' j Offered by Senator Hawkinson. 1 15 STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY ..., .,. REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 64th Legislative Day Novenber l4r 1995
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Hawkinson.
Thank you, Madam President. House B1l1 1149: Nhich is cosponsored in the Senate by Senators Karpiel, Maitland: Jacobs and Shadid and myself, Nas a bill which tried to provide equity between Illinoks sellers of natural gas and -- and non-lllinois sellers of natural gas. Right now if an Illlnois customer purchases that gas in Illinois, that school district or that business has to pay a tax. If they -- if they purchase their gas from a non-lllinols seller howeverr they are exempt from the tax. House 3ill 1149 tried to correct that inequity by providing that if a customer who 's now getting the exemption from an out-of-state seller switches and buys from an Illinois seller, they will not be subject to the tax. The Governory in his amendatory vetov switched this a hundred and eighty degrees and lnstead of providing a continued exemption from the tax: provided for a new tax and would have taxed thcse out-of-state purchasers based on a use tax basis. The spcnsors of the bill didn't feel that we Nanted to impose a new tax on Ilktnois school distrkcts and Illinois businesses, so the Scuse two weeks ago overrode the amendatory veto by a vote, I believez of 112 to 1. This bill initially passed in the Senate 55 Ayesy no Nays and 3 votes Present. And I would move that House Bill 1149 do pass, the specifëc reaommendattons of the Governor to the contrary noEwlehstanding .
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Are there -- is there any discussion? Any discusslon? Senator -- Senator Hawkinson has moved that House Bill 1149 pass, the specific recommendations of the Governor to the contrary notwlthstanding. Any discussion? Senator Fawell. Discussion? Senator Lauzen. 16 I STATE OF ILLINOIS r''' 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLX REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 64th Legislative Day November l4, 1995 SENATOR LAUZEN: i I Thank you, Madam Presldent. A couple of questions for the S#OnSOr. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) He indicates he will yield. I ! SENATOR LAUZEN: My impregsion is that the situation if -- if -- if this veto l i is not overridden, that the -- it's -- it's going to be the : : original bill that passes. Is that right? I PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) i Senator Hawkinson. : SENATOR HAWRINSON: No -- no, Senator. The House has already overridden the veto. i So if we fakl to override the amendatory changes, tbe bill itself I Will die. I PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) i Senator Lauzen. SENATOR LAUZEN: i I The - - the action that you Want us to take, is that îoing to I create a sltuaticn where the large gas purchasers are çolng to be i next to the small gas purchasers, but because the larger ones went ! out and bought gas out of State, that they'll have a five-percent ; sales tax competitive advantage in their sales tax? I mean, won't ! this create -- won 't -- if the original bill stands, won't the ' i large buyers of natural gas have a five-percent competitive advanbage given by thls serles of -- legislatlon? k PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Hawkinson. SENATOR HAWRINSON: i I They do noN under existing law. If they have gone out of State, they have the -- the advantage cf being free from -- frcm ' the tax. This would say that if they switch back and buy from 17 STATE OF ILLINOIS ' ' 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 64th Legislative Day November 14, 1995 Illinois companies, their tax situation won't change. But right i ! now there's -- that inequity extsts rtght now. !
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Lauzen.
Howeverz I think -- let's see: I -- I point cut that there's also the additional expenses of going out of State to purchase that -- that gas. And if I'm not mlstaken - and I'd ask you for ycur opinion - the reason why the Governor has amendatorlly vetoed this is to put the large and the small buyers of natural gas on the same level playing field. Now, I realize that the approach that he took was to raise the tax on one, but doesn't that -- if we sustain the veto, won't that make it a level playlng field that will make a1l of us mlserable? And it would be my intention to follow up with a bill that would take the tax so that it's applied evenly across the entire. But wouldn't it have that effect if we ( sustain the veto? Won't it be a level playing field?
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Hawkinson.
No. And the reason ls because the House has already taken *he action to override, and I -- I could be wrong. For it to happenr We would have to accept hls changes and the House would have to accept them as well, and I don't see that happening. :
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARTS) senator Lauzen. k I
0ne final questlon. Is it your understanding that the 1 intention of the veto, irrespective of what occurred in the House, E is to put back in place even taxation of the large buyers and the i ! small buyers? PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) ! i 18 STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 64th Legislative Day November 1995 Senator Hawkinson.
The effect of it would be to make it even by raising taxes on school districts or -- or businesses. That ls correct. It Would be even, but it'd be a tax tncrease. And that had absolutely no support in the House and I Would hcpe it has little in the Senate as well.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Further discussion? Senatcr Palmer.
Thank you, Madam President. A question of the sponsor.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) He indicates he will yield.
Senator Hawkinsonz understood Nhat you were saylng abcut the technicalities of the House and the Senate. But I just wanted to ask a baslc questlon, because the argument that I am getting is that this is passed on to the consumer. Is there any significant difference right now with the price the cost to the consumer of gas companies going outside Illinols to purchase? The argument is that if you -- if you buy it outside Illinois, it's cheaper to the consumer. that true? I don't see any significant difference in the cost to the consumer.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Hawkinson.
The consumers I think we're talking about are the school distrbcts, the businesses whc are buyin: out of State. don't think you or I or -- or other homeowners are getting any break or - - or bearing any costs because of this. But what's happening is that some of our schcol districts, some of our manufacturing plants and other businesses are buying outside of Illinois instead 19 STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 64th Legislative Day November 14z 1995 of inside of Illlnois because they can take advantage of this tax break that is presently in the lawz and so there's a disincentive to buy from Illinois companies at the present time. If We override the changes, those customers can buy from Illinois sellers, as Well from out-of-state sellers, without suffering that disincentive.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Palmer.
Is there any Winner in this when it comes to realizing some savings or some break - tax break?
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Hawktnson.
The -- the winners will be the large buyers and, indirectly, the Illinols sellers of natural gasr because they Will be abke to get the same price by buying in State that they can now get going out of State.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Further discussion? Senator Fawell.
Thank you very much. Will the sponsor yield for a question?
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) He indicates he will yield .
Right nog are the consumers that are using the out-of-state gas, do they include such things as the University of Illinoisr Cook County Hospital, the Catholic Church - Chicago Dioceser McDonald 's? Are those all out-of-state consumers that under the override would now start buying Illinois gas?
PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Hawkinson. 20 STATE OF ILLINOIS ' 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 64th Legislative Day November 1995
don't know the answer to that, Senator. think you may have even mentioned that in the original debate this spring on the bill, but I donft know that as a fact.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Fawell.
This bill oriçinally came through years ago through the Local Government Committee, because cur fcrmer Senator Dawn Clark Netsch couldn 't get through her own Revenue Commlttee the way the Governor wrote The averride is a good ëdea. Unless you want to have the -- the Catholic Church come down on you - and I don't happen to be Catholic or the Cook County Hospital, or University of Illinols, or the John Deere Company, or McDonald's Company, or several other companies come down on you, would suggest you vote for the override.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Any further discusslon? Senator Welch. Senatcr Welch.
Thank you, Madam President.
PRESIDING OFEICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) You're welcome.
Senator Hawkinson, how much money are -- is the State currently loslng because of the existing abillty to buy gas at the wellhead?
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Hawkinson.
I don't kncw the answer to that, Senator. The -- the sheet that I had originally by the proponents indicated that presently thirty-five to forty percent of natural gas used in 21 STATE OF ILLINOIS ' 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 64th Legislative Day November l4, 1995 ' : Illinols is purchased from an out-of-state source. But I don't I know hcw that translates into dollars.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Any further discusslon? Senatcr Welch. . j
Senator Hawkinson, does this apply to everybody who is buying I gas out of State - gas at the wellhead - as of March 1z '95, or is i i t limited to businesses? j
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Hawkinson. ! I
No . I believe it's anybody who had contractuakly obligated on l or before March 1st, 1995. j ' !
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Welch. : I
i Senator HaWkinsonr have you looked into the possibllity that I I this is unconstitutional as belng a bill that's designed E specifically for a group of individuals who are in a category by themselves? It seems to me there's scme question as to why those 1 who were fortunate enough before March 1st of this year to buy gas out of State suddenly get a tax break, and the company next dccr, I I or us individual consumers, have to contlnue to payinî the tax. I i . It doesn't seem like a fair delineation between the groups. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) i Eenator Hawkinson. SENATOR HAWKINSON : I The Governor suggested that in his suggested amendatory veto. T have not obtained an opinion on that, but again it's a makter of ; whc you're conparing, too. The compariscn you just made, I I suggest, is not the valid one, because these folks are now getting ! the same tax breakg only they're doing it by buying from 22 . è : STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 64th Leglslative Day November 14y 1995 out-of-state: non-lllinois suppliers. They Will continue, if they purchase from Illinois suppliers, ta get the same tax break : they're getting now. So I don't think it's unconstitutional. I don't think it's giving any tax break they're not giving pcw . It is, however, putting the Illinols suppliers on an equal footing With their competltors out of State, and that's the intention. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SEHATOR GEO-KARIS) ! I Senator Welch. SENATOR WELCH: l Currently, if you buy gas from Oklahoma or Texas - if you buy . : itatthewellhead-yauhavetopayatransportationfeetobring it to Illënois, is my understandlng. Is that transportation, 1 ! using a -- a :as pipeline to Illinois, is that taxed? Dces the State make any revenue from that? Do you know? ! PRESIDING OFPICER: (SEHATOR GEO-KARIS) E senator Hawkinson. SENATOR HAwKINsoN: i I I don't kncw the answer to that question, Senator. I'm sure there are some costsy as indicated by Senator Lauzen, to buying I out of State. And tc the degree that it is more expensive for cther -- other non-tax reasons, this would be an additional advantage to Illinois suppliers.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Are you done; Senator Welch? Good. Senator -- Senator Jacabs.
Thank you, Madan Presidentr Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate. I just stand in strcng support of the attempt to i override. I think lt puts us on a even playing fleld, scmething that I think that we have to be very cognizant of. And I ask the ! Members of this side of the aisle to vote Aye.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) I 23 ' . ) STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 64th tegislative Day Navember 14, 1995 Any fucther dtscussion? Any further dtscusston? Heartng none, Senator the question is, shall House Bill 1149 passr the specific reconmendations of the Governor to the contrary Withstanding Ksicl. Those in favor w1ll vote Aye. Those opposed will vote Nay. The voting is open. Have a11 voted Who wished? Have al1 voted who wished? Have al1 voted who wished? Madam Secretary, take the record. 0n that question, there are Yeas, none Nays, ncne voting Present. And the -- this bill, havtng received the required three-fifths vote, is declared passed, the veto of the Governor to the contrary notwithstanding. Commlttee Reports.
Senator Weavery Chairman of the Committee on Rulesz reports that the following Legislative Measures have been assigned to committees: referred to the Agriculture and Conservation Committee - Senate Amendment No. 5 to House Bill 965: referred tc the Education Committee Senate Bills 1239 and 12407 the following bills arer pursuant to Senate Rule 3-9(b), exempt from the automatic re-referral provision of that rule Senate Bills 1239 and 12407 Be Approved for Consideration Conference Committee Report No. 1 to Senate Bill 721, and House Btkt 2251.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) . .. going to go to page 2 of today's Calendar on the Order of House Bills 3td Reading. Senator Maitland, on House Bill 8202 Madam Secretary, read the bill.
House Bill 820. (Secretary reads title of bl1l) 3rd Reading of the bill.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Maitland.
24 STATE OF ILLINOIS . 89TH GEHERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 64th Legislative Day November 14, 1995 Well: thank you very much, Madam President and Members of the Senate. House Bk11 820, as amended in the Senate, expands the Student Assistance Commission's authority to originate student loans so that the Commission's loan activities no langer are I restricted only to -- to federally reinsured student loans. The legislatlon would allow ISAC to design and narket alternattve or supplemental student loan programs for postsecondary students. Alternative or supplemental student loans typically are for studentsr many enrolled in graduate schoolsr Who need loan assistance beyond the amounts available through the traditional federal student loan programs authorized by Congress. There is a phenomenon taking place rlght ncw, as most of you know, where -- where the availabillty of federal student loans are -- are bein: reduced dramatically, and this give -- gives ISAC a chance to move into the secondary market in Illinois, utilize Illincts banks, and prcvide for loans to students who qualify - and they are . responsible for these loans - and actually gain access to -- for more students to entrance into -- into college. I would be happy, Madam President, to respond to any questians the Body might have; otherwise would seek support. j
PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Any further discussicn? Senator Berman. ; j
i Thank you, Madam President. Questions of the sponsor.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) He indicates he will yield.
! Are Illinois taxpayers, in any Wayr adversely affected by the provisions of thls leglslation? I
PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Maitland. !
25 l . STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 64th Leglslatlve Day November 14, 1995 I No, Senator Berman. The source of revenue is refinanclng of I I ISAC revenue bonds. State law already specifies that ISAC revenue ; bonds do nok canstitute debt of the State of Illinois. There is i no full fatth and credit of the State behind khese ISAC bonds. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Berman. SENATOR BERMAN : If the Illinois taxpayers aren't at risky who will be at risk? PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Maitland . SENATOR MAITLAND: Senator Berman, as with any revenue bond, the purchasers of the bonds undertake a certain degree of risk in exchange for a designated rate of return on thelr invcstment. Investment investors are at riskf frankly, not the State of Illinois. PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Berman. SENATOR BERMAN: Thank you, Madan President. I wanted those questions and answers to be a part of the record. I think it's lmportant that with the answers that Senator Maitland has given us and with what we see may be happening in Washington, that we give the Illlnois Student Assistance Commissëon as much flexibility as possible to ' prcvide resources for our young people to enter higher education I ' j opportunltiesg and I stand in support of House Bill 820. I PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) I I Any further discussion? Senator Berman -- I mean, Senator Palmer. Sorry. I I SENATOR PALMER: i Thank you, Madam President. A question of the sponsor. I PRESIDIHG OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Indicates he will yield. i I I 26 z. ' * STATE OP ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 64th Leglslative Day Novenber l4# 1995
Senator Maitland, I'm just curious why the part of the bill - tbe original bill - was removed that Would have allowed female minority applicants to use money left over that male minority applicants did not use for scholarships. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARISJ Senator Maëtland.
Senator Palmerp I don't -- I donlt know for sure, I know this is an ISAC initiative. There is some need and necesslty to move this bilk in this form this fall so that it can become a part of *he financing mechanisms in the student loan portfolios for the coming year. And exactly what all that reason was, I don't know. It was done before I got the bill here.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Palmer.
ïes. Thank you, again. I'm concerned that that's not part af the bille but at the same timep I certainly support this effort. Havinî worked with graduate students, I know hoW very important it is; that you often come to the end of your money before you come to the end of your schooling. And I think this is extremely important, that that flexibility be allowed to ISAC . But I certainly would hope that the -- this other part, welll revisit that because it certainly makes sense to me.
PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Any further discussion? Senator Collins.
Xes. Thank you. Senator Palmer just closed. The last sentence said exactly what I wanted to say. However, Senator; I don't think that we should forget about the original intent cf this legislation, and I think that's what has happened here. The 27 STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 64th Legislative Day November 1995 original -- which I am the original spansor of the bill and worked with the Governor's Office and for some amendments, and as a matter of fact, I did sponsor, when we expanded lt to include women and other minorities. But the priginal intent, Senatorr was to provide for -- to ensure that there were some role models the Afrlcan-American communities, because What had happened: so many of the families have been headed by female-headed households and then when the students go into schools, they find themselves, again, never having a very positive male role model because of a very serious shortage of African-American male teachers the schocl system. So I -- I hope that we will come back and look at that, because it -- it was far more than just providing for scholarships to to increase teachers. was speclfically deslgned that it would serve a twofold purpose and that we would have the -- the strong male role models in the schools due to the absence of those the home. So I would just'hope we would do -- come back and visit that revisit it.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Any further discussion? Any further discussion? Hearing none, Senator Maitlandy to close.
Thank you, Madam Presldent. I respect the two speakers and their areas of concernr and we will revisit that. And -- pledge that to you. Madam President, would seek a positlve vote.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) The question is, shall House Bill 820 pass. Those in favorr vote Aye. Those opposed vote Nay. The voting is open. Have a11 voted who wished? Have a1l voted who wished? Have a1l vcted who wished? Take the record, Madam Secretary. On that question, there are 56 voting Aye, none voting No, none vcting Present. And this bill, having received the required constitutional majcrity: 28 STATE OF ILLINOIS ,, 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 64th Legislative Day November 14, 1995 is hereby declared duly passed. Senator Fitzgerald, for what purpose do you rise? i !
Point of personal privilege. ' 1
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) State your point, sir. 1
Oes. Madam President, I Wanted to state for the record that ! on House Bill 1149, T ineended to vote for the veto override and T mistakenly pressed a button against it. So I just wanted tc 1 Correct the record. Thank you. PRESIDTNG OFFTCERJ (SENATOR GEO-FARIS) 1 The reccrd will so note. House Bill 854. Senator Sieben. Madam Secrekaryr read the bill. ! ACTING SECRETARY HAWKER: k House Bill 854. I (Secretary reads title of b11l) ! 3rd Reading of the bill. !
PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Sieben. I SENATOR SIEBEN: i E Thank youp Madam Prestdent. Thls legislation has been amended and it no longer deals with the GED testin: of -- for age I ! seventeen-year-olds. We did add Amendment No. 3 and No. 4 in the Education Commlttee. And Amendment No. 3. deletes the previous I provision that you see stated on the -- the tote board up there. I . The two provistons in the bill now: the first of which deals With ! validatlng the Bureau Valley School District that the voters . approved for consolidation last November; the second provision : adds some technical cleanup language to deal with ballot forms in the election of at-large school board members. I know cf no ? oppositicn tc this bill and I would ask for an Aye vote. I 29 . ï, STATE OF ILLINOIS ' 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 64th Legislative Day November 14, 1995 PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) ! Any further discussion? Any further discussion? Any further 1 I discusslon? Hearing none, the question is, shall House Bill 854 pass. Those in favor Will vqte Aye. Those opposed will vote Nay. ! And the voting is open. Have all voted who wished? Have all voted who Wish? Have al1 voted Who kish? Madam Secretaryr take the record. Qn that question, there are 55 voting Aye, none i voting Nor none voting Present. And this billr having received 1 the required constitutional majcrityr is hereby declared duly passed. That bill having received three-fifths majority. House Bill 1461. Senator Watson? Madam Secretary, read the bill.
House Bill 1461. (Secretary reads title of bill) ! 3rd Reading of the bill. !
PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Watson. 1
Yes. Thank your Madam President. This legislation has ! : absolutely nothing to do with what's up on the board. It -- the amenument struck everything after the enacting clause and added ' three provisions. The first provision was a provision whtch I involves TIF districts in Cook County and allows those -- those I local units of gcvernnent impacted by the. TIF district ! : legislatlonr that once that district is dissolved, that property ! then -- that property value will then become part of the assessed : valuation. This is just a glitch, from what I understand, in I j : regard to the Sears campus in Hoffman Estates. And this bill has . I passed several times, but unfortunately has not met -- met the Governor's desk at this point. Second provision involves language i coming from *he Department of Revenue, and it changes language to comply with the current 1aw which is -- allows a taxpayer that 30 j ' STATE OF ILLINOIS ; 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 64th Legislative Day November 1995 needs to respond to the Department without penalty thirty days instead of twenty-one days. So this puts in compliance with current law. The last provision comes to us from those of us who represent the Metro East area and involves a sales tax provision of the Metro East Mass Transit District. They are alloked to impose a .25 saleG tax rate on sales within the Mass Translt District. By referendum , the Board allowed that increase to go to . 75. That increase has had a negative impact obviously, or could very well have a negative impact on the sale of automobiles in that area large tieket items. Thls legislation allcks the exemption of titled property from that higher rate, thus impacting positively the -- the new car and used car sales that take place in that particular district. This would then allow the Mass Transit District to impose a twenty-dollar fee - transfer fee - to be collected by the Mass Transit District to help offset the revenue that's lost due to this provision. The Department cf Revenue has no problem With this. We 've met those of us, again, who represent the Metro East area met with the new car dealers, the Mayor of Belleville, the Mass Transit District: the president of the Saint Clair County Board and others to dlscuss this, and this is the agreement Wedve come up uith .
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Any further discussion? Senator Clayborne.
I'd just like to make a statement, the sponsor will yield.
PRESIDIHG OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) He indicates he will yield.
And that is that this was a bipartisan effort that was korked out by all of the legislators in that area, in the Mass Transit District, as vell as for the benefit the automobile dealers, to make sure that the Light Rail expansion continue. STATE OF ILLINOIS ' 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 64th Legislative Day November l4, 1995
PRESIDING OFFTCER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Any further discussion? Senator Raica. Senator Ra'tca. ;
Question of the iponsor.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) He indicates he Will yield.
Senator Watson, is there a bill in Rules currently that -- it's a House bill that would allcw car dealerships within Cook County to have the State of Illinois collect fees versus fees collected by Cook County? And the concern about that is that they would be losing money from Cook County and that money would be going to Dupage County. And if we're dolng this for the people in your community or the car dealerships, why wouldn't we be doing this for the car dealerships in Cook County? My understanding is that -- I mean, I think What's fair is fairy and I would hate to see the car dealerships in Cook County nct be able to have their bill heard, and wefre attempting to assist the car dealerships within your eounty.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) ! Senator Watson.
Well, first of all, the tax, I guessr Was imposed by a home I ; rule unitr which we are not a hcme rule unit. And that is a use eax ehae you have in yozr area . Our area ls not a use tax. What happens is, if 1, living in Greenville, gc into the Belleville i area to buy a car, I will pay that tax. That is the -- that is the retail occupational tax. A use tax I would not have to pay. And thak's the -- that's the issue that you 're referring to. This is totally different. This is -- the whole issue in this area ls totally different than those districts that are imposed in a -- what would be considered a home rule area. Now, as far as where 32 . ) ' STATE OE ILLINOIS , 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 64th Legislative Day November l4s 1995 I that legislation is, Senator, I really -- I don't know. l PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GZO-KARIS) Senaeor Raica. Further dîscussion? Senator Lauzen. SENATOR LAUZEN: . Thank you, Madam President. First of allr you know, I recognlze the value of the bipartisan cooperation that produced thls bill and I certalnly respect the sponsor. A couple of questions for the sponsor. ! PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) He indicates that he will yield. ! SENATOR LAUZEN: The first questlon would be: Didnft the car dealers -- ! weren't they part -- didn't they participate in the referendum that took place to increase the taxes to pay for the Metro East Mass Transik District in the first place? E PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Watson. SENATOR WATSON: I -- I honestly don't know at what level of participation they I were involved. f -- I Would assume they were, but I don 't have any ldea. p PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Lauzen. , SENATOR LAUZEN: Okay. I would agree with your of courser that they were part of the process to pass a referendum or to defeat a referendum in their area . In this case, the decision of al1 the people in that area was that they should have the increased tax . Do you anticipate prcviding any tax relief from sales taxes for other large-ticket retailers, pecple like the jewelers or the furniture 1 store sales people? J PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) I I I 33 ' ( ,, STATE OF ILLINOIS :.; .89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 64th Leqislative Day November l4, 1995 ' ; Senator Watson. SENATOR WATSON: ! Well, those -- thase people have not asked for relief at this potnt, and the reason we made it titled was it -- it was easily identified. We ran ldentify titled sales much easier than we can those sales that Would not require a title. So that's the reason We did this.
PRESIDING OEFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Lauzen. SENATOR LAUZEN: , Right now I Won't ask for a reply of, if the jewelry and other large retailers come by asking for rellef from what the voters passed, whether you would support that and sponsor that also. But when we give relief -- when we 1et the car dealers off the hookr will the expenses of the Metro East Mass Transit District 1 decrease? Will the expenses decrease?
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Watson. ;
! I have no idea what *he expenses might be, Senator, but I ehink you're probably referring to the inccme, to the revenues, and 1 obviously ... No? The expenses? No. They -- no. It Won't - - they won't be impacted. r PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARI ' S) j Senator Lauzen. I SENATOR LAUZEN: j . ! The expenses of the -- if the expenses renain the samey if the cost of that Mass Transit System is the same amount and you have the -- fewer people paying taxr who's gcing to make up the ! difference of paying for the rest of the expenses, if not the rest of the taxpayers in that district?
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) 34 I STATE OF ILLINOIS $' 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY ' REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 64th Legislative Day November 14, 1995 Senator Watson. SENATOR WATSON: ! Well, the issue Wi1l not have to be met for at least another I i tWO yearg. Thatfs the -- Lhe beauty Of What we're doing herer is that the revenue that's going to be collected over the next two p years will be accumulated to ultimately brin: abcut the -- the , Mass Transit District we -- the Light Rail that we hcpe to have j clear -- to go out to Scott Air Force Base. So we 're not i lmpacting anything negatively as far as the operations or the ccnstruction or the maintenanée cf a -- the current facility. The i impact could be felt in the out-years, but wedre hoping, and 1 everybody concurred, that it was important to maintain the viability of the current sales tax being collected by the new and I ; ' used car dealers, that that was aritically important to the I ' viability of the future of the Mass Transit tax and the -- its ! revenues. Sc everybody agreed that maybe we should give a little ! E bit here, in hopes cf making it a stable revenue source for the I i future. I PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) ë Senator Lauzen, are you finished, sir? 1 ! SENATOR LAUZEN: No. Nor actually, my question is: When we 1et the car i dealers off the hook in paying this tax, who is going to make up the shortfall when the expenses stay the same? : PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) ! Senator Watson. I 1 ! SENATOR WATSON : E Wellr we have a situation by which the -- the needed revenue I wi11 nct be needed for an addltional two years. During that time 1 We're hoping# and we think, that the viability -- the eeonomic I Vizbilibx Of thP Scott Air FOrCe area - bhe -- *he joint-use Zifpoft bhat'sbeinq developed noW - Willbea positive impact on 1 35 STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 64th Legislative Day November l4y 1995 the revenues that's coming from sales tax, and as a result of that, Will be able to more than offset what we 're -- what we might lose here.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Lauzen.
Okay. would just -- I would just rise in opposition to this measure. I think the answer to who is going to take up the slack when the expenses remain the same and you take certain people, the car dealers, out, that means that the rest of the taxpayers in that dlstrict are golng to have to pay for the expense cf what's being purchased in the East -- Metro East Mass Transit area. think that it's important that we don 't poke holes in the base and that when a referendum is passedr as bad as tax increases are: that everybody has to pay equally. would be opposed to this. 1111 vote in opposttion to the measure.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Any further discussion? Any further discussion? Hearing none, Senator Watson, to close.
A11 right. Well, thank you, Madam President. And 1'11 just refer my remarks, I guess, to the what we would cansider to be the most questioned item , and that was the third item of the -- or, third amendment of the leglslation, or third provision. Thls was a a bipartisan effort by Senator Clayborne, Senator Bowles and myself, and the Representatives that represent the Metro East area. What's happenin: is, this sales tax, on an averager could impact about two-hundred- to two-hundred-and-fifty-dollar sale per car. What that does, of course -- and there's an awful 1ot of the people out there - the buying public - who shop for a new car sale. We think that those people who would be imposed wi.th this tax could very well go across *he skreet, in some cases, to STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLX REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 64th Legislative Day November l4, 1995 purchase a ear to be able to save that tWo hundred to two hundred and fifty dollars. The difference from what Senator Ralca Was talking about is the -- the situatlon in our area is that this is a use tax and a retail occupational tax. In other words, if live outside the district - in most cases - if I live outside the district, to gc in and purchase an autcmobile, I could be exempt from the taxes being impased in that particular district because I don't live in it. And that's rightfully so . In this particular case, that's not the situaticn. And wetre just trying to correct that and to make Eher hopeful, automobile industry and retail automobile sales in the Metro East area a viable economic entity for us for a long tine. So I Would appreciate the support and ask for your favorable vote.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) The question is# shall House Bill 1461 pass. Those in favor, vote Aye. Those opposed will vote Nay. The voting is open. Have a1l voted who wished? Have a11 voted who wished? Have a11 vcted who wished? Madam Secretary, take the record. On that questlan, there are 53 voting Aye, 3 voting No , none voting Present. And this bill: having received the required three-fifths constitutlonal majority, hereby declared passed. will lock at your Supplemental Calendar No. 1 it has been distributed - relative to Conference Committee Reports, on that Calendar there Senite B111 721. Madam Secretary, do you have -- on file a conference committee report on Senate Bill 7212
Yes. First Conferenee Committee Report on Senate Bill 721.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) The Chair recognizes Senator Bomke.
Thank you, Madam Presldent. would ask that my peers vote Present on 721, as there are some problems with this -- with this STATE 0F ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 64th Legislative Day November 1995 partlcular billr so that it can be sent back to conference committee. Thank you.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Is there any discussion? Any discussion? Senatar Welch.
Well, I have a question of the sponsor.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) He indicates he will yield.
Wellr like to know what the problems are. What are the problems with thls conference committee report that we should vote it down? I meanr this is a bill that gets tough on crime; I'm not sure I want to be recorded as not being tough on crime.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Bomke.
Well, there are some concerns that still need to be Worked out. We will have a better crime bill for ycu after the hearing tomorrow.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Welch.
Senator, we 've heard that for years. It'1l be better When it comes back. Sometimes it doesnlt come back. Sometlmes it comes back and worse. like to know specifically what in thls bill. What ls it that we're voting agalnsE?
PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Bomke.
.. . Madam President. As I indicated to youy the concerns will be worked out tomorrow in a hearing. You're welcome join us the hearing if you have a true concern. Thank you. 38 t. STATE:OF ILLINOIS '' 89TH GENERAL'ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 64th Legislative Day November l4, 1995
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Welch, are you done? I
Well, I asked a very simple question: What is in the bill? I don't care what the committee does tomorrow. I may not want it to go to committee; I may want to vote Yes on this. You know, What I've got here is one of the provisions says that a school -- ! requires the expulsion of a schcol student who brlngs a weapon to school. You want me to vote against that? I'm...
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Bamke. I
We're not askin: you to vote against it, Senator. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) ( Senator Welch, are you done? Gc ahead, Senator Welch. SENATOR WELCH: . Senator Bomker When you vote Presentr you're not voting for ! the bill. You 're either for lt or you're against it. You vcte Presentr ycu don't have an opinion. That's almost like voting No. It also allows serious habitual offenders -- the Comprehensive ! Action Program, authorized by current lawz to organize in Cook County . Now we're supposed to throw that out the window, tco? It allows juveniles to be taken into custady on a potential automatic . transfer offense to be held beyond a thirty-six-hour llmit. What you want us to do is vote down a b11l that gets tough on crimez on the hope that a committee may come up wlth a better bill. Well, I -- I think you've qot to give us some better reascns than that, Senator.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) ! Any further discussion? Are you done, Senator Welch? Senator Welch -- Senator Cullerton. I'm sorry. I
39 STATE 0F ILLINOIS . 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY ' REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 64th Legislative Day November 1995 Yes. Would -- would the sponsor yield?
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) It would be very much appreciated if we would give each speaker the courtesy of being heard, Ladies and Gentlemen of this astute Body. Senator Cullerton.
Thank you. Qhank you, Madam President. Would the sponsor yield?
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) He indicates that he will.
Senatorr is this your first bill?
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Bomke.
Yes, is, for the second time.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Cullerton.
Nowy I don't think I've ever experienced thisy where a Senator or a State Representative and I was over in the House for twelve years usually and I can assure you, based on my seventeen years of experience usually when someone has a first bill: in almost ninety-nine percent of the timew they ask people to vote for the bill. And if understand what you're trying to dc here is youdre trying to have us not vote for your bill. In fac*, I -- I suspect even you, yourself, Would not be voting for the bill. Is that correct?
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Bcmke.
Thank you. I will be voting Present, like hope everyone 40 STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 64th Legislative Day November 1995 else does. Vour concerns are well-taken - pardon me - but there are just some technical concerns that need to be worked out. It'1l be a better bill after tomorrow. Thank you.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Cullerton.
Well, think it's prcbably a wise choice. It's obvious from the questions that Senator Welch asked that, Senator Bcmke, ycu probably don't know much about What's actually in this billr and -- a;d therefore it probably does make good sense to not vate for it, even though it is your first bill. But maybe what we should do is not count this as your first bill, because the same bill number, take going to come back on a conference committee and then we can have a debate when ycu want us to vote Xes, and then we can ask you questions about what's in and you fll be prepared then, would assume.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Are you finished? Thank you, Senator Cullerton. Senator Demuzio.
Wellr for a1l of the reasons that have been ralsed by my colleagues, but -- I'm wondering Why they afforded you the oppcrtunity, Senator, as -- as your first bill, to be caught in this posture. Usually ycu 1et scmebody else do that, and when the thing gets loaded up and you bring back and they give to you and then you take off with But here's *he problem -- and understand that this is the vehicle bill for a new version of the LUST Fund and also for the Klingler that's over the Hcuse and the Governor's crlme package. Is that -- is that -- is that a11 comin: on this bill when it goes back?
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Bomke. 41 STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 64th Legislative Day November l4, 1995
Well/ Senatcr, we're still workin: out on what be the next conference committee.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-RARIS) Senator Demuzio.
Well, I'm afraid that -- perhaps we -- We ought to vote Aye on this thing and :et it passed out of here, because T'm afrald you're going to have a germaneness question tomorrow if all of those items that I just mentioned that you claim youfre Working out are going to be on this bill because not a11 those are going to be germane to Senate B1ll So I suspect for a11 of the foregoing reasons, suspect that we ought to be voting Aye on this bill, not -- not Present or not Nc .
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Further discussion? Senator Jacobs.
Senator -- Would the Senator yield for a question?
PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR GEO-RARIS) Indicates he Will yield.
Well, it appears to me that somewhere along the line that -- that you 're asking those of us in this Body to to not be tough on crime. What guarantee do we have that Whenever this bill comes back, every provision that is -- that's this currently going to be in the bill when it comes back? What guarantee do we have of that?
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR CEO-KARIS) Senator Bomke.
You have my Republican wcrd.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) 42 STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH CENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 64th Legislative Day November l4, 1995 Senator Jacobs. SENATOR JACOPSJ Under those circumstances then, would probably urge everyone on this side of the aisle to vote Aye for this bill.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Jacobs, did hear you correetly? Any further discussion? Any further discussion? Senator Bomke, to close.
Thank you. As I indicated earlier, ycur concerns are Well taken. I'd only -- thought that Would hear from more Democrats. kncw there are more over on the other side of the aisle. But tomorrow's uill be a better bill than the one that you have in front of you today. And I would ask again that you vote Present.
PRESIDING OPFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) The question isr shall the Senate adopt the Conference Committee Report on Senate Bill 721. Those in favcr will vote Aye. Those opposed will vote Nay. The voting is open. On -- cn take the recordy Mr. Secretary. On that question, there are 15 voting Aye, 2 voting Nay and 35 votlng Present. And thls bill having failed to receive the required constitutional majority, this conference conmittee report is not adopted, and the Secretary shall so inform the House. Messages from the House.
Message from the House by Mr. McLennandy Clerk. Mr. President am directed to inform the Senate that the House of Representatives has adopted the follcwing jolnt resolution, in the adopklon of which I am tnstructed to ask the eoncurrence of the Senate, to wit: House Joint Resolution 46. Adcpted by the House, November 3rd y 1995. It's substantive. Message from the House by Mr. McLennandy Clerk. 43 ' STATE OF ILLINOIS '89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY I REGULAR SESSION : SENATE TRANSCRIPT I 64th Legislative Day November l4, 1995 ! Mr. President - I am directed to inform the Senate that the House of Representatives has accepted the Governor's specific recommendations for change which are attached to a bill of the following title, in the adopticn of which I am instructed to ask the concurrence of the Senate, to wit: House Bill 544. Adopted by the House, November 3rdr 1995. A Message from the House by Mr. McLennand, Clerk. Mr. President - I am directed to lnform the Senate that the House of Representatives has passed a bill of the following title, in the passage of which I an instructed to ask the coneurrence of the Senate, to wit: House Bill 2517. Passed the Hause, November 3rdr 1995. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Mr. Secretary, have there been any mctlons filed? SECRETARY HARRY: Yes, Madam President. Senator Mahar has filed a motion With respect to House Bill 544. PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-MARIS) Is there -- Senator Woodyard. Mr. Secretary, the Chair requests that these motions -- this motion be printed on the Calendar. Sc ordered. Senator Wcodyard. SENATOR WOODYARD: Thank you, Madam President. For the purposes of an announcement. You ready for that yet? PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Proceed with your announcement. SENATOR WOODYARD: A11 right. To the Members of the Senate Ag-conservation Committee, if you'll notice on your desks, there has just reeenbly came out of Rules Committee an amendment that we had seheduled a i 44 I STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY ' REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 64th Legislative Day November 14r 1995 - - a ccmmlttee hearing on at 2230 in the afternoon ln A-l ln the Stratton Building. It deals w1th snow geese. Tt won't take very lonq. Sa I would encourage every Member ln -- on the Senate Ag-conservation Committee, be in A-l at 2:30, and we'll get you out real quick.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) we can have your attention, please. Senator Woodyard was making a very important announcement and no one could hear Could we please have your attention? Senator Wocdyard has sald that his Senate Agriculture Committee is going to meet at 2230 today in Room A-l of the Stratton Building to consider some legislation. Is that correctz Senator Woodyard? And those of you who are interested tn it and those of you on the committee, please be there. Resolutions.
Senate Resolution 122, offered by Senators Carroll, Berman and others. It's a death resolution, Madam Presldent.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Consent Calendar. Introduction of Bills.
Senate Bill 1241, cffered by Senators Jacobs: Farley and others. tsecretary reads title of bill) 1st Reading of the bill.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) Senator Fawell, for what purpose dc you rise?
For a matter of personal prtvilege.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-KARIS) State your point, please.
45 STATE OP ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 64th Legislative Day November 1995 -- I just want to remind the Transportation Committee that We Will meet at 2 o'clock in Rcom 400.
PRESIDING OFFICER: (SENATOR GEO-MARIS) Sena*or Fawell says the Transportation Committee Will meet at . 2 o 'clock in Roam 400. The Hcuse... This concludes our business. For the purpose of the paperworky the House will stand in recess. I'm sorry. The Senate will stand in recess. And tomorrcw ue will be in Session at 10 a.m. I repeat: Tomorrow we be in Session, 10 a.m. We Will stand in recess unttl *he call of the Chair. (SENATE STANDS IN RECESS) (SENATE RECONVENES)
.. . come to order in perfunctory Session. On the Order of Commlttee Reports: Senator Weaver, Chair of the Committee on Rules, reports the following Legislative Measures have been assigned to committees: Referred to the Committee on Education - Senate Amendment to Senate Joint Resolution 60; and referred to the Committee Environment and Ehergy the motion to concur with House Amendment 2 to Senate Bill 598. Senator Woodyard, Chair of the Committee on Agriculture and Conservationy reports Senate Amendment to House Bill 965 Be Approved for Consideration . And Senator Fawell, Chalr of the Committee on Transportation, reports House Bill 1124 Do Pass, as Amended. On the Order of Messages from Uhe House, McLennand, Clerk. 46 STATE OF ILLINOIS 89TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY REGULAR SESSION SENATE TRANSCRIPT 84th Legislative Day November l4, 1995 Mr. Presldent - I am directed to inform the Senate Kha: the House of Representatives has concurred with the Senate the adoption of their amendment to a bill of the following title, to wit: House Bt11 2349. I am further directed to inform the Senate that the House of Representatlves has refused to concur with the Senate in the adoption of the follcwing amendment: Senate Amendment 2 to House Bill 2349. Action taken by the Housey November 3rd, 1995. There being no further business to come before the Senate, pursuant to the Order of the Chair, the Senate will stand adjourned until 10 o'clock tomorrow morninq. 47 I REPOPT: TIFLDAY STATE OF ILLINOIS 96709711 PâGE: 001 8jTH GENERAL ZSSEHBLY 16:18:36 SENATE DâILY TRANSCRIPTIO: 0F DEBATE INDEX NOVEMBER 14, 1995 HB-O54k HOTiON FILED PAGE kk H8-0820 THIRD REZDING PAGE 2) HB-O85k THIRD RERDING PAGE 29 HB-10T0 VETO ACTION PâGE k ' HB-11k9 7ET0 âCTIOM PAGE 15 I HB-:!q9 OTHER PAGE 29 BB-1ao2 VETO aczlcn Ha-12oa ouT oF REcoRn pàcE PAGE s s 1 I I B-1 H8- %6 12 77 61 TEI0 HT RT RDACEI AONNG DI P PA AG GE E 1j 30 1 H8-2465 VDTO 2CT1ON PZGE 5 SB-0721 COMFERENCE PkGE 37 58-1239 FIRST READING PâGE 3 SB-12k0 FIRST READIMG PAGE 3 SB-1241 FIPST READING PAGE :5 SH-0119 RESOLUTION OFFBRED PâGE 3 SR-0120 RESOLUTICN OFFeRED PAGE 3 SR-0121 RESOLUTION OFFERED PAGE 3 SR-0122 RESOLUTIOP OFFERED PAGE 45 HJR-0OM6 RESOLLITIEN OFFERED PAGE :3 SJR-0O69 RESOLJTIDN OFFERED P2GF J SUBJECT HATTFR SENàTE T0 ORDER-PRESIDENT PHILIP PAGE 1 PRAYER-THE REVEREMD RIT; NAFZIMGER P&GE 1 PLEDGE OF ZLLEGIANCE PAGE 1 JOURNALS-àPPROVED PZGE 1 MES3âGES FROM THE SECRETARY OF STâT: PâGE 1 COHHITTEE RfPORTS PZGE 3 COMMITTEE REPORTS PAGE 2) HESSâGES FROM THE HOUSB PAGB 43 SFMATE STàNDS IN RECESS PZGE 46 SEMRTE RECONVENE) PAGE :6 COMHITTEE REPORTS PAGE :6 MESSAGES FROH THE HOUSE PAGE :6 ADJOURNHENT PAGE R7