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Illinois House Floor Debate — April 3, 2019

101st General Assembly (2019-2020) · Legislative day 36
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101st (2019-2020)
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April 3, 2019
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William Davis (D)

"The House will be in order, and Members will be in their chairs. We shall be led in prayer today by Wayne Padget, the assistant doorkeeper. Members and guests are asked to refrain from starting their laptops, turn off all cell phones, and rise for the invocation and the Pledge of Allegiance."

Padget

"Lets us pray. Lord, as we prepare for Session today, I ask freshness of your spirit to quicken our thinking that out of confused issues may come simplicity of plan, that out of fear may come confidence, that of hurry may come deliberation, and that out of frustration may come guidance. Let us get to work not head first but heart first, may we be able to disagree without being disagreeable, to differ without being difficult, to be honest without tension, and to be frank without offense in an atmosphere of team spirit. These things we ask in your son's name, Amen."

William Davis (D)

"We will be led in the Pledge of Allegiance today by Representative Yednock."

Yednock - et al

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

William Davis (D)

"Roll Call for Attendance. Leader Harris is recognized for any excuse absences on the Democratic side."

Gregory Harris (D)

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Let the record reflect that there are no excused absences on the Democratic side of the aisle today."

William Davis (D)

"Representative Butler is recognized for any excused absences on the Republican side." 10100036.docx 1 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019

Tim Butler (R)

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Please the let the Journal reflect that Representative Bennet and Representative Frese are excused today."

William Davis (D)

"Have all recorded themselves who wished? Clerk, please take the record, 115 Members answering the roll. We have a quorum and ready to do business. Mr. Clerk, Committee Reports."

Hollman

Clerk Hollman: "Committee Reports. Representative Harris, Chairperson from the Committee on Rules reports the following committee action taken on April 03, 2019: recommends be adopted, referred to the floor is the Motion to Table Committee Amendment #1 to House Bill 180. Representative Gabel, Chairperson from the Committee on Appropriations-Human Services reports the following committee action taken on April 03, 2019: do pass Short Debate is House Bill 526. Representative Welch, Chairperson from the Committee on Executive reports the following committee action taken on April 03, 2019: do pass as amended Short Debate is House Bill 196. Representative Evans, Chairperson from the Committee on Labor & Commerce reports the following committee action taken on April 03, 2019: recommends be adopted Floor Amendment #3 to House Bill 2040. Representative Feigenholtz, Chairperson from the Committee on Adoption & Child Welfare reports the following committee action taken on April 03, 2019: recommends be adopted Floor Amendment #1 to House Bill 1551 and Floor Amendment #2 to House Bill 1551. Representative Costello, Chairperson from the Committee on Agriculture & Conservation reports the following committee action taken on April 03, 2019: recommends be adopted is Floor Amendment #2 10100036.docx 2 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019 to House Bill 2783. Representative Conyears-Ervin, Chairperson from the Committee on Child Care Accessibility & Early Childhood Education reports the following committee action taken on April 03, 2019: recommends be adopted is Floor Amendment #3 to House Bill 196. Representative Kifowit, Chairperson from the Committee on State Government Administration reports the following committee action taken on April 03, 2019: recommends be adopted is Floor Amendment #2 to House Bill 142, Floor Amendment #1 to House Bill 837, Floor Amendment #2 to House Bill 2460, Floor Amendment #3 to House Bill 3589. Representative Yingling, Chairperson from the Committee on Counties & Townships reports the following committee action taken on April 03, 2019: recommends be adopted is Floor Amendment #3 to House Bill 2583. Introduction to Resolutions: House Joint Resolutions 56, offered by Mason, is referred to the Rules Committee."

William Davis (D)

"On page 31 of the Calendar under Motions in Writing, appears Motions to Table: House Bill 48, House Committee Amendment #1 to House Bill 180, House Bill 186, House Bill 193, House Bill 422, House Bill 2101, House Bill 2184, House Bill 2186, House Bill 2187, House Bill 2321, House Bill 2457, House Bill 2554, House Bill 2560, House Bill 2616, House Bill 2733, House Bill 2819, House Bill 2848, House Bill 3064, House Bill 3300, House Bill 3499, House Bill 3500, House Bill 3502, House Bill 3657, and House Bill 3703. With leave of the Body, we will consider these Motions and one single Motion. Is there a leave? Leave is granted. The Sponsor… Sponsors have move to table the House Bills. All those in favor signify by saying 'aye'; opposed 'nay'. In the 10100036.docx 3 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019 opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. And the all Bills are tabled. Representative Butler, for what reason do you rise?"

Tim Butler (R)

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Please let the Journal reflect that Representative Chesney is excuses for the rest of the day."

William Davis (D)

"The record, will so reflect. Representative Sommer, for what reason do you rise?"

Keith P. Sommer (R)

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. A Point of personal privilege."

William Davis (D)

"State your point."

Keith P. Sommer (R)

"Thank you. Ladies and Gentlemen, I have two very special guests with me this morning serving as Pages. I want to introduce to you two friends of mine. First of all, we have Alex Tucker. Alex lives in Morton, his parents live in East Peoria, his mother is up in the gallery. And also here we have Seth Bauersfeld he is from McLean, lives in the area of Funks Grove. For those of you who drive I-55 see the signs Funks Grove that’s the area he lives in. His mother, Jennifer, is here with him today as well as his sister, Hannah. So please welcome these two wonderful gentlemen who have a great interest in government to service our Pages today."

William Davis (D)

"Supplemental Calendar #1, we have Senate Bills on Second Reading. Senate Bill 196, Representative Harris. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

Hollman

"Senate Bill 196, a Bill for an Act concerning government. Second Reading of this Senate Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in committee. No Floor Amendments. No Motions were filed." 10100036.docx 4 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019

William Davis (D)

"Third Reading. On Supplemental Calendar #1, Senate Bills-Second Reading, we have Senate Bill 526, Representative Harris. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

Hollman

"Senate Bill 526, a Bill for an Act concerning government. Second Reading of that Senate Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments. No Motions were filed."

William Davis (D)

"Third Reading. On page 28 of the Calendar we have Senate Bills-Second Reading. We have Senate Bill 1474, Representative Yednock. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

Hollman

"Senate Bill 1474, a Bill for an Act concerning government. This Bill was read a second time a previous day. Amendment 1 was adopted in committee. No Floor Amendments. No Motions were filed."

William Davis (D)

"Third Reading. Senate Bills-Third Reading, we have Senate 1474, Representative Yednock. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

Hollman

"Senate Bill 1474, a Bill for Act concerning government. Third Reading for that Senate Bill."

William Davis (D)

"Representative Yednock."

Lance Yednock (D)

"Thank you, Speaker, Members of the House. Today, I'm presenting Senate Bill 1474. The legislation codifies that it is the right of the state to regulate union security agreements. By codifying SB1474 not only would the state preserve its exclusive role in… as decision maker permitted under National Labor Relations Act, it would preserve stability across an array of unionized industries. Men and women of labor have helped build our communities and they deserve to have the security and protections that thousands have fought for across our state. The Bill is also about 10100036.docx 5 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019 protecting worker… working men and women as they continue to do their jobs every day no matter what town they are in. Our local workers and contractors, those that continue to provide critical services and build the communities that we live in, deserve the stability they have earned for… and the right to fight for it. Congress explicitly refused to include political subdivisions within Section 14 of the National Labor Relations Act. In doing so, Congress decided to avoid the confusion that having seven thousand units of local government in Illinois with thousands of different laws would create. The court referred to this situation as an impossible position and a nightmare. Instead of asking whether an employee is subject to an agency agreement one day when his job takes him to a nearby… to nearby Chicago and not the next day when he happens to be working on sites in say a neighboring village or city that has the opposite law. It must clarify and set the law as the state level as contemplated by the National Labor Relations Act. Today I'm presenting legislation that will not only codify what our courts have ruled but legislation that will protect the rights of working men and women across our great state. I would appreciate your vote."

William Davis (D)

"Representative Wheeler, for what reason do you rise?"

Keith R. Wheeler (R)

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

William Davis (D)

"He indicates he will."

Keith R. Wheeler (R)

"Thank you. Representative, you and I had a sidebar conversation over near my desk here a week or two about some of the different… the ways that the language is structured in 10100036.docx 6 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019 here regarding private sector union security agreements. Do you recall that conversation?"

Lance Yednock (D)

"Yes, I do, Sir."

Keith R. Wheeler (R)

"And can you help me clarify what we discussed and how we were going to address that on the floor here today."

Lance Yednock (D)

"Yes. You asked me if this was, and correct me if I'm wrong, Representative, you had asked me if this makes… makes it so a non-union contractor or an employee that does not have… an agreement makes them now have to have one. And I told you, no, that is not the intent of this legislation."

Keith R. Wheeler (R)

"Okay. So the just to put it on the record for everybody to be clear for the legis… purposes of legislative intent that this does not affect those who don't already have a union security agreement, correct?"

Lance Yednock (D)

"That is correct."

Keith R. Wheeler (R)

"Perfect. Thank you. And just some other clarifying questions, the way we discussed this in committee if I recall, this is… the way the Bill is now as amended codifies what the federal regulations already are. Correct?"

Lance Yednock (D)

"That's correct, Sir."

Keith R. Wheeler (R)

"So, we're not doing anything new. And all the language that was in the original Bill that had to do with penalties on local officials, that's all been removed from the Bill? We're not voting on that today at all?"

Lance Yednock (D)

"That's correct."

Keith R. Wheeler (R)

"So, we're really just… for everybody's clarity. We're going to codify what the federal version of things is. And we're not doing anything that would be expanding that at all today?" 10100036.docx 7 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019

Lance Yednock (D)

"Yes."

Keith R. Wheeler (R)

"Correct. Thank you very much. I appreciate your answers to my questions."

Lance Yednock (D)

"Thank you, Sir."

William Davis (D)

"Representative Wehrli, for what reason do you rise?"

Grant Wehrli (R)

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

William Davis (D)

"Indicates he will."

Grant Wehrli (R)

"Thank you. Sorry. I've been distracted over here. I just want to make sure that this Bill as amended removes the Class A Misdemeanor component of this?"

Lance Yednock (D)

"Yes, it does."

Grant Wehrli (R)

"And that what we're really doing here is just codifying Federal Law at the local level?"

Lance Yednock (D)

"Yes, that's correct."

Grant Wehrli (R)

"Okay. Thank you."

William Davis (D)

"Representative Moylan, for what reason do you rise?"

Martin J. Moylan (D)

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

William Davis (D)

"He indicates he will."

Martin J. Moylan (D)

"I have a question. The question is for the purpose of legislative intent. Representative Yednock, you have a private right of action in this legislation. What is the primary purpose of that language in your Bill?"

Lance Yednock (D)

"Thanks for your question, Representative. The primary purpose for including the language in the Bill is to allow an injunction to cease any local ordinance restricting collective bargaining that has passed." 10100036.docx 8 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019

Martin J. Moylan (D)

"Can the Illinois General Assembly still pass collective bargaining restrictions under your Bill?"

Lance Yednock (D)

"That's correct. Yes, they can."

Martin J. Moylan (D)

"Thank you."

William Davis (D)

"Leader Durkin, for what reason do you rise?"

Jim Durkin (R)

"Will the Sponsor yield?"

William Davis (D)

"He indicates he will."

Jim Durkin (R)

"Representative, this issue of local right-to-work became very contentious over the last few years. Mainly from what happened in the Village of Lincolnshire, correct?"

Lance Yednock (D)

"You're correct, Sir."

Jim Durkin (R)

"So, could you educate this… this Body about the litigation in the Federal Court from the District Court all the way up to the Appellate Court of where the Lincolnshire ordinance stands today?"

Lance Yednock (D)

"I just wanted to clarify the… the court has ruled, I think the 7th Circuit has ruled that… that particular ordinance is… is void. It's no…"

Jim Durkin (R)

"Okay."

Lance Yednock (D)

"…not law."

Jim Durkin (R)

"All right. But I… the District Court ruled that the… a municipality by ordinance could not enact local right-to-work zones because of the reading of the Labor Relations Act. It doesn't… the State of Illinois would have to authorize a local right-to-work, they just cannot do it unilaterally, correct?"

Lance Yednock (D)

"That's correct."

Jim Durkin (R)

"And the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals has upheld that District Court finding, correct?"

Lance Yednock (D)

"Yes." 10100036.docx 9 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019

Jim Durkin (R)

"All right. Could you ask your counsel if he knows whether or not the Village of Lincolnshire is going to take that up to the Supreme Court? All right."

Lance Yednock (D)

"We would have to talk to the village about that, Leader."

Jim Durkin (R)

"Well, they've got… maybe Representative Didech can provide some… All right. Here's… here's another question and this is not, I'm not doing this to jam you up. But the thing is, there's another Appellate District in the United States, the 6th District which is just south of us, has ruled that local right-to-work zones are permitted under the Labor Relations Act. So, and I… my understanding is that is gone… that's being taken up to the U.S. Supreme Court and they're… they're doing to deal with it. So the question I have for you, and maybe you can ask your counsel over here, that if the U.S. Supreme Court takes up the 6th Appellate Circuit's decision and they rule that the Labor Relations Act does not allow these types of ordinances, what would happen to the law if we pass this today in Illinois?"

Lance Yednock (D)

"I would assume, and I'm not a lawyer, but we would have revisit that… this question."

Jim Durkin (R)

"Would it be null and void?"

Lance Yednock (D)

"I… I couldn't tell you that."

Jim Durkin (R)

"I think it would be. But I… look this is not about a… again, I'm not trying to test you. You're not a lawyer. But I just wanted the Body to understand that my impression is that if this other district goes up the Supreme Court and they somehow rule that something similar to Lincolnshire is allowed, this ban would be stricken and I think it would no 10100036.docx 10 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019 longer be constitutional and enforceable on the books of Illinois. That's just my only… that's my statement. So in any event, I think we've… we've visited this issue, and we've talked about it a lot over the past few years. I am going to side with the 7th Circuit on this. And if the Supreme Court comes back and says something otherwise, sobeit, but today I'll be supporting this legislation."

Lance Yednock (D)

"Thank you."

William Davis (D)

Speaker Davis: "Seeing no further discussion, Representative Yednock to close."

Lance Yednock (D)

"I thank you for the discussion. And I urge an 'aye' vote. Thank you."

William Davis (D)

"The question is, 'Shall Senate Bill 1474 pass?' All in favor vote 'yes'; all opposed vote 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Representative Davidsmeyer. Mazzochi. Meier. Morrison. Parkhurst. Unes. Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Bill, 101 voting 'yes', 8 voting 'no', 0 voting 'present'. This Bill, receiving a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Spain, for what reason do you rise?"

Ryan Spain (R)

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. A point of Personal Privilege."

William Davis (D)

"Please proceed."

Ryan Spain (R)

"Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, it gives me great pleasure to introduce a special guest that I have with me here with me today from my district, Laney Lester is an eighth grader from Henry, Illinois. She's here to serve as a Page for the day. She's a straight A student, an MVP for basketball 10100036.docx 11 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019 and track. She was the state runner up in shotput, which is very impressive, plays clarinet in the school band and is involved and really a great role model in our community. Please give a very warm Springfield welcome to my Page for the day, Laney Lester."

William Davis (D)

"On page two of the Calendar, we have House Bills- Second Reading. House Bill 120, Representative Costello. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

Hollman

"House Bill 120, a Bill for an Act concerning government. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. Floor Amendment #1, offered by Representative Kifowit, has been approved for consideration."

William Davis (D)

Speaker Davis: "Representative Kifowit on the Amendment. Representative Costello on the Amendment."

Jerry Costello II (D)

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This Amendment creates the Veterans Service Related Ailment Task Force, and it's designed to address service related ailments that are not recognized by the Federal Government."

William Davis (D)

Speaker Davis: "Seeing no further debate, questions on the Amendment. Third Reading. Representative Costello, excuse me, moves for the adoption of the Floor Amendment #1 to House Bill 120. All those in favor say 'yes'; all those opposed say 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. And the Amendment is adopted. Any further Amendments, Mr. Clerk?"

Hollman

"No further Amendments. No Motions are filed."

William Davis (D)

Speaker Davis: "Third Reading. Continuing on page 2 of the Calendar, House Bill 124, Representative Arroyo. Out of the record. On page 3 of the Calendar, House Bill 188, Representative D'Amico. Out of the record. On page 4 of the 10100036.docx 12 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019 Calendar, we have House Bill 331, Representative Jones. Out of the record. Page 3 of the Calendar House Bill 348, Representative McSweeney. Out of the record. House Bill 424, Representative Hernandez. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

Hollman

"House Bill 424, a Bill for an Act concerning education. Second Reading of this House Bill. Amendment 1 was adopted in committee. No Floor Amendments. No Motions are filed."

William Davis (D)

"Third Reading. House Bill 825, Representative DeLuca. Out of the record. House Bill 854, Representative Evans. Representative Evans. Out of the record. House Bill 895, Representative Morgan. Out of the record. House Bill 1456, Representative Rita. Out of the record. On page 6 of the Calendar, House Bill 1561, Representative Crespo. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

Hollman

"House Bill 1561, a Bill for an Act concerning education. Second Reading of this House Bill. Amendment 1 was adopted. No Floor Amendments. No Motions are filed."

William Davis (D)

"Third Reading. On page 7 of the Calendar, we have House Bill 1653, Representative Villanueva. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

Hollman

"House Bill 1653, a Bill for an Act concerning finance. Second Reading of this House Bill. Amendment 1 was adopted in committee. No Floor Amendments. No Motions are filed."

William Davis (D)

"Third Reading. Page 7 of the Calendar, House Bill 2046, Representative Evans. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

Hollman

"House Bill 2046, a Bill for an Act concerning criminal law. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee 10100036.docx 13 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019 Amendments. No Floor Amendments. A correctional note has been requested but not filed at this time."

William Davis (D)

"Mr. Clerk, leave this Bill on the Order of Second Reading. On page 8 of the Calendar, House Bill 2170, Representative Hernandez. Excuse me, Representative Barbara Hernandez. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

Hollman

"House Bill 2170, a Bill for an Act concerning education. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments. No Motions are filed."

William Davis (D)

"Third Reading. House Bill 2188, Representative… Leader Manley. Out of the record. House Bill 2211, Representative Yingling. Out of the record. House Bill 2258, Representative Welter. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

Hollman

"House Bill 2258, a Bill for an Act concerning education. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments. No Motions are filed."

William Davis (D)

"Third Reading. House Bill 2267, Representative Martwick. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

Hollman

"House Bill 2267, a Bill for an Act concerning elections. Second Reading of this House Bill. Amendment 2 was adopted in committee. No Floor Amendments. No Motions are filed."

William Davis (D)

"Third Reading. On page 9 of the Calendar, House Bill 2304, Representative Slaughter. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

Hollman

"House Bill 2304, a Bill for an Act concerning State government. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments. No Motions are filed." 10100036.docx 14 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019

William Davis (D)

"Third Reading. House Bill 2425, Representative Chesney. Out of the record. House Bill 2451, Representative Martwick. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

Hollman

"House Bill 2451, a Bill for an Act concerning public employee benefits. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments. No Motions are filed."

William Davis (D)

"Third Reading. House Bill 2461, Representative Meyers-Martin. Out the record. Page 10 of the Calendar, House Bill 2491, Representative Walsh. Out of the record. House Bill 2519, Representative Slaughter. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

Hollman

"House Bill 2519, a Bill for an Act concerning State government. Second Reading of this House Bill. Amendment 1 was adopted in committee. No Floor Amendments. No Motions are filed."

William Davis (D)

"Third Reading. House Bill 2541, Representative Harper. Out of the record. House Bill 2572, Representative Feigenholtz. Out of the record. House Bill 2576, Representative Zalewski. Out of the record. House Bill 2604, Representative Crespo. Out of the record. House Bill 2605, Representative Crespo. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

Hollman

"House Bill 2605, a Bill for an Act concerning education. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments. No Motions are filed."

William Davis (D)

"Third Reading. House Bill 2624, Representative Arroyo. Out of the record. On page 12 of the Calendar, we have House Bill 2691, Representative Hernandez. Elizabeth Hernandez. Out of the record. House Bill 2698, Representative 10100036.docx 15 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019 Harris. Out of the record. On page 13 of the Calendar, House Bill 2831, Representative Mussman. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

Hollman

"House Bill 2831, a Bill for an Act concerning health. Second Reading of this House Bill. Amendment 1 was adopted in committee. No Floor Amendments. No Motions are filed."

William Davis (D)

"Third Reading. On page 14 of the Calendar, we have House Bill 3018, Representative Mason. Is Representative Mason on the floor? Out of the record. House Bill 3035 Representative Unes. Out of the record. On page 15 of the calendar, we have House Bill 3082, Representative Martwick. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill." Clerk Hollman: "House Bill 3082, a Bill for an Act concerning public employee benefits. Second Reading of this House Bill. Amendment 1 was adopted in committee. No Floor Amendments. No Motions are filed."

William Davis (D)

"Third Reading. House Bill 3113, Representative Cassidy. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill." Clerk Hollman: "House Bill 3113, a Bill for an Act concerning regulation. Second Reading of this House Bill. Amendment 1 was adopted in committee. No Floor Amendments. No Motions are filed."

William Davis (D)

"Third Reading. On page 16 of the Calendar appears House Bill 3237, Representative Barbara Hernandez. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill." Clerk Hollman: "House Bill 3237, a Bill for an Act concerning education. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments. No Motions are filed." 10100036.docx 16 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019

William Davis (D)

"Third Reading. On page 16 of the Calendar, we have House Bill 3301, Representative Manley. Representative Manley. Out of the record. House Bill 3302, Leader Crespo. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

Hollman

"House Bill 3202, a Bill for an Act concerning education. Second Reading of this House Bill. Amendment 1 was adopted in committee. No Floor Amendments. No Motions are filed."

William Davis (D)

"Third Reading. On page 17 of the Calendar appears House Bill 3349, Representative Slaughter. Out of the record. House Bill 3427, Representative Conroy. Out of the record. On page 18 on the Calendar, we have House Bill 3469, Representative Bristow. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill." Clerk Hollman: "House Bill 3469, a Bill for an Act concerning government. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments. No Motions are filed." Speaker Davis: "Third Reading. House Bill 3477, Representative Edly-Allen. Out of the record. Page 18 of the Calendar, House Bill 3580, Representative Slaughter. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

Hollman

"House Bill 3580, a Bill for an Act concerning criminal law. Second Reading of this House Bill. Amendment 2 was adopted in committee. No Floor Amendments. No Motions are filed."

William Davis (D)

"Third Reading. House Bill 3586, Leader Crespo. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

Hollman

"House Bill 3586, a Bill for an Act concerning education. Second Reading of this House Bill. Amendment 1 was 10100036.docx 17 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019 adopted in committee. No Floor Amendments. No Motions are filed."

William Davis (D)

"Third Reading. House Bill 3596, Representative Yingling. Representative Yingling on House Bill 3596. Out of the record. On page 19 of the Calendar, House Bill 3658, Representative Gabel. Out of the record. House Bill 3671, Representative Thapedi. Out of the record. House Bill 3687, Representative Harper. Representative Harper. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill." Clerk Hollman: "House Bill 3687, a Bill for an Act concerning criminal law. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments. No Motions are filed."

William Davis (D)

Speaker Davis: "Third Reading. Going back to page 3 of the Calendar, we have House Bill 188, Representative D'Amico. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

Hollman

"House Bill 188, a Bill for an Act concerning transportation. Second Reading of this House Bill. Amendment 1 was adopted in committee. No Floor Amendments. No Motions are filed."

William Davis (D)

"Third Reading. On page 12 of the Calendar, we have House Bill 2698, Leader Harris. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill." Clerk Hollman: "House Bill 2698, a Bill for an Act concerning appropriations. Second Reading of this House Bill. No Committee Amendments. No Floor Amendments. No Motions are filed."

William Davis (D)

Speaker Davis: "Third Reading. Going back to page 5 of the Calendar, we have House Bill 854, Representative Evans. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill." 10100036.docx 18 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019

Hollman

"House Bill 854, a Bill for an Act concerning government. Second Reading of this House Bill. Amendment 1 was adopted in committee. No Floor Amendments. No Motions are filed."

William Davis (D)

"Third Reading. On the Order of Third Readings, we are working from the priority list. We have House Bill 3663, Representative Ammons. Is Representative Ammons on the floor? Out of the record. House Bill 3628, Representative Bristow. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill." Clerk Hollman: "House Bill 3628, a Bill for an Act concerning education. Third Reading of this House Bill."

William Davis (D)

"Representative Bristow."

Monica Bristow (D)

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'm finding my notes. This amends the School Code and Community College Act by moving provisions from the School Code to the Community College Act. Also provides a new definition of adult education, increases instructional fees from $3 to $6 for students taking adult education courses and proposes a generation rate for adult education instruction. I ask for an 'aye' vote."

William Davis (D)

"Representative Kalish, for what reason do you rise? Seeking no further discussion, Representative Bristow to close."

Monica Bristow (D)

"I ask for an 'aye' vote."

William Davis (D)

"The question is, 'Shall House Bill 3628 pass?' All those in favor vote 'yes'; all those opposed vote 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, 114 voting 'yes', 0 voting 'no', 0 voting 'present'. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional 10100036.docx 19 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019 Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Kalish, for what reason do you rise?"

Yehiel M. Kalish (D)

"Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Point of personal privilege."

William Davis (D)

"State your point."

Yehiel M. Kalish (D)

"Members of the House, I like to welcome Agudath Israel of Illinois, who's in the gallery today, a group from my hometown from Chicago and Skokie. And they're going to be walking around the Capitol today giving blessings and kosher food. So please stop by 402A later and give them a warm Springfield welcome. Thank you."

William Davis (D)

"Thank you. And welcome to the Capitol. Continuing on Third Readings, we have House Bill 2470, Representative Burke. Out of the record. House Bill 2408, Representative Bourne. Out of the record. House Bill 2786, Representative Cabello. Out of the record. House Bill 3148, Representative HalbroOkay. Out of the record. House Bill 2123, Representative Carroll. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill." Clerk Hollman: "House Bill 2123, a Bill for an Act concerning health. Third Reading of this House Bill."

William Davis (D)

"Representative Carroll."

Jonathan Carroll (D)

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. This is a Bill we've been discussing food allergies a lot in this chamber lately. I wanted to thank everyone last week for their support on EpiPens. I have a daughter with severe food allergies in a variety of areas. One area that's been ignored in the area of sesame allergies. So I present this Bill to make sure prepackage foods in Illinois are labeled for sesame. And I want to thank the retail merchants for working with me on the 10100036.docx 20 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019 language to have them go neutral on the Bill. And I'd ask for a 'yes' vote. Thank you."

William Davis (D)

"Seeing no discussion, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 2123 pass?' Clerk, shall call the roll. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Davidsmeyer. Sosnowski. Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, 114 voting 'yes', 0 voting 'no', 0 voting 'present'. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 2444, Representative Cassidy. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

Hollman

"House Bill 2444, a Bill for an Act concerning criminal law. Third Reading of this House Bill."

William Davis (D)

"Representative Cassidy."

Kelly M. Cassidy (D)

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. House Bill 2444 provides an opportunity for a parent to present a family-impact statement at sentencing, creates some standards by which a judge can determine the impact on… of the sentence on a parent-child separation. Also adds the opportunity to contemplate the impact on a caregiver of an ill or elderly family member. And I ask for your support."

William Davis (D)

"Seeing no discussion, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 2444 pass?' All those in favor vote 'yes'; all those opposed vote 'no'. And the voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, 82 voting 'yes', 28 voting 'no', 0 voting 'present'. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 3101, Representative Costa-Howard. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill." 10100036.docx 21 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019

Hollman

"House Bill 3101, a Bill for an Act concerning human trafficking recognition. Third Reading of this House Bill."

William Davis (D)

"Representative Costa-Howard."

Costa-Howard

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. House Bill 3101 requires human trafficking training to be completed in our hotel and motel industry. I have been working hard with the Hotel and Motel Lodging Association to work together to protect individuals. This is an issue that is impacting us at many, many levels. And this is a very good Bill, this is a bipartisan Bill. And I ask for your 'aye' vote."

William Davis (D)

"Seeing no discussion, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 3101 pass?' All in favor vote 'yes'; all opposed vote 'no'. And the voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Bill, 112 voting 'yes', 0 voting 'no', and 0 voting 'present'. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 2243, Representative Marron. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

Hollman

"House Bill 2243, a Bill for an Act concerning revenue. Third Reading of this House Bill."

William Davis (D)

"Representative Marron."

Michael T. Marron (R)

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'm presenting House Bill 2243 which simply updates qualifications to stand for appointment or election for the position of county supervisor of assessments or multi-township assessors or township assessors as a means to reflect current status of assessment designations. I know no of opposition. And I request an 'aye' vote. Thank you." 10100036.docx 22 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019

William Davis (D)

"Seeing no discussion, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 2243 pass?' All those in favor vote 'yes'; all those opposed vote 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Representative Severin. Welch. Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, 113 voting 'yes', 0 voting 'no', 0 voting 'present'. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 3263, Representative Mazzochi. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

Hollman

"House Bill 3263, a Bill for an Act concerning public employee benefits. Third Reading of this House Bill."

William Davis (D)

"Representative Mazzochi."

Deanne M. Mazzochi (R)

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise on House Bill 3263 this is a simple transparency and oversight Bill. We have many people throughout the state who depend on the Illinois Municipal Retirement Fund in ensuring that our local units of government are making their promised payments. Both they and the taxpayers have a right to some basic information about their status of with the fund at their fingertips. So this transparency Bill simply requires IMRF participants to post three things on their public website in a manner consistent that the Freedom of Information Act. First, the actual agreement setting the terms of participation. Second, the annual projective future contributions to the fund. And the third, information about the amount of the municipalities past required contributions to the fund for each year of participation. The Bill does not affect any pension payouts. It has been negotiated with IMRF. And I'd be happy to take any questions. I'll ask for an 'aye' vote." 10100036.docx 23 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019

William Davis (D)

"Seeing no discussion, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 2363 pass?' All those in favor vote 'yes'; all those opposed vote 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, 112 voting 'yes', 0 voting 'no', and 2 voting 'present'. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 1482, Representative McCombie. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

Hollman

"House Bill 1482, a Bill for an Act concerning criminal law. Third Reading of this House Bill."

William Davis (D)

"Representative McCombie."

Tony McCombie (R)

"Thank you, Speaker. House Bill 1482 is a rewrite of HB4147 from Brian Stewart and my House Bill 4586 from last Session, which is a public safety Bill that closes a loophole that was discovered when Pam Knight, the DCFS worker, was brutally beating and eventually died. If I could just for a minute get everybody's attention, unfortunately Pam's family was not able to be here and did ask me to give a short statement on his behalf. 'I was married to my wife, Pam Knight, for 32 years. She was assaulted while performing a welfare check on September 29 of 2017 while trying to make sure that a two year old was safe from harm. As a result, she was brutally assaulted and she died on February 8 of 2018. Existing law in Illinois protects many first responders, attacking a social worker that is ensuring a child's safety should have the same protections. Please send a message to child welfare workers that their safety matters and their lives matter. Thank you, Don Knight.' Closing this loophole 10100036.docx 24 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019 would put DCFS workers as well as adult protective service workers in the same category as police, fire, teachers, and other first responders. This Bill has been a long time coming and I appreciate Chairman… Representative Slaughter and the Judicial-Criminal Committee for letting this be heard today and on the floor. And to all of you who have… there's over 70 sponsors on this Bill, so please consider joining the Bill. And I urge an 'aye' vote for Pam Knight and her family. Thank you."

William Davis (D)

"Representative Williams, for what reason do you rise?"

Ann M. Williams (D)

"Just a comment to the Bill."

William Davis (D)

"To the Bill."

Ann M. Williams (D)

"Representative, I just want to note and thank and acknowledge your hard work on this Bill. You've been working on this for a least a couple of years, but since you've been working on it we been subject to information about happenings within the Department that have been devastating to children. And some of us have sat through of hours of hearings about some of those cases. So I think this ties in very well with the work that others are doing on improving the lives of children through Illinois that are in the most unimaginable circumstances. So thank you to your work on this side of this very difficult challenge that we have."

William Davis (D)

"Representative McCombie to close."

Tony McCombie (R)

"I urge an 'aye' vote, please."

William Davis (D)

"Seeing no further discussion, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 1482 pass?' All those in favor vote 'yes'; all those opposed vote 'no'. The voting is open. Have all 10100036.docx 25 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019 voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Representative Ammons. Mayfield. Mr. Clerk, take the record, 112 voting 'yes', 0 voting 'no', 0 voting 'present. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 3617, Representative Costello, out of the record. House Bill 925, Representative Didech. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

Hollman

"House Bill 925, a Bill for an Act concerning revenue. Third Reading of this House Bill."

William Davis (D)

"Representative Didech."

Daniel Didech (D)

"Thank you. This Bill allows County Treasurers to reduce the penalty for delinquent local service tax payments to 50 percent of the original tax imposed under the Mobile Home Local Services Tax Act. I will be happy to take any questions."

William Davis (D)

"Seeing no discussion, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 925 pass?' All those in favor vote 'yes'; all those opposed vote 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Sosnowski. Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, 113 voting 'yes', 0 voting 'no', 0 voting 'present'. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 3652, Representative Edly-Allen. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

Hollman

"House Bill 3652, a Bill for an Act concerning education. Third Reading of this House Bill."

William Davis (D)

"Representative Edly-Allen."

Mary Edly-Allen (D)

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I'm presenting House Bill 3652, which asks that school counselors provide 10100036.docx 26 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019 discussing and information to students on all post-secondary options including a four-year college and universities, community colleges, and vocational schools. And I would ask for a 'yes' vote."

William Davis (D)

"Seeing no discussion, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 3652 pass?' All those in favor vote 'yes'; all those opposed vote 'no'. And the voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Brady. Parkhurst. Skillicorn. Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, 114 voting 'yes', 0 voting 'no', and 0 voting 'present. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 2237, Representative Gabel. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

Hollman

"House Bill 2237, a Bill for an Act concerning State government. Third Reading of this House Bill."

William Davis (D)

"Representative Gabel."

Robyn Gabel (D)

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. House Bill 2237 creates the Illinois Higher Education Savings Program, which automatically deposits $50 into a college savings account for every child born or adopted in Illinois on or after January 21, 2021. If implemented this program will have the power to start Illinois families saving and changing the trajectory of young lives making them more likely to attend and graduate from post-secondary education. I'd appreciate an 'aye' vote."

William Davis (D)

"Representative Batinick, for what reason do you rise?"

Mark Batinick (R)

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

William Davis (D)

"She indicates she will." 10100036.docx 27 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019

Mark Batinick (R)

"Representative, a couple of quick questions. What's the genesis of this Bill?"

Robyn Gabel (D)

"This Bill is sponsored by the Treasurer's Office."

Mark Batinick (R)

"Okay."

Robyn Gabel (D)

"Also came from Heartland Alliance."

Mark Batinick (R)

"Has this happened… are there states that are doing this now?"

Robyn Gabel (D)

"Yes. There are 34 states that are doing a program like this."

Mark Batinick (R)

"We often hear on the floor they say a program like this. Can you describe a couple of them that are very similar? Sometimes I hear the response on Bills like this, they say state is doing something like this, and I look up and its pretty big differences."

Robyn Gabel (D)

"Sure. Well, 52 percent of the programs use 529 accounts as a vehicle for savings which is what…"

Mark Batinick (R)

"We already have that, correct?

Robyn Gabel (D)

" …we're proposing to do. Yes, we already have that, but we don’t already start one for every child born or adopted in the state. So it's easy for us to use that program that we already have. Pennsylvania is the largest state to provide a universal CSA program. And there are approximately 140,000 children born or adopted in Pennsylvania every year. Nevada, Connecticut, Rhode Island, Vermont, and Maine all have statewide CSA programs. Maine's is completely privately funded while the other existing state programs use a mix of state and private funds, which is what we would like to do."

Mark Batinick (R)

"Okay. So you mentioned a mix of state and private funds. What's the vehicle for the private funds?" 10100036.docx 28 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019

Robyn Gabel (D)

"The private funds can either come from community foundations throughout the state or it could from individuals. The Office of the Treasurer is going to be looking at that for this year. This is a planning year to try to setup a program like that. We also are looking at other states, possibly some other state funds but no general revenue."

Mark Batinick (R)

"What is the cost of the program?"

Robyn Gabel (D)

"The cost of providing this $50 for each child and for administrative costs is about $9 million a year. After 10 years we expect this program to begin to become more… the price will go down."

Mark Batinick (R)

"So, Pennsylvania is state about the size of Illinois, correct?"

Robyn Gabel (D)

"Yes."

Mark Batinick (R)

"There… you said 40 thousand people were born or adopted."

Robyn Gabel (D)

"One hundred forty thousand."

Mark Batinick (R)

"I'm sorry? Oh, 140 thousand?"

Robyn Gabel (D)

"Correct."

Mark Batinick (R)

"One hundred forty thousand. So that’s about $6 million that would be going into our accounts based on that. So you're telling me that $3 million of this is cost, that about a third?"

Robyn Gabel (D)

"No. In Illinois its 165 thousand children."

Mark Batinick (R)

"Okay. So break out the 9 million. So how much is going to overhead and how much is it going to cost?"

Robyn Gabel (D)

"Eight million is going to the children and one million is going to administrative costs." 10100036.docx 29 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019

Mark Batinick (R)

"So it’s a million dollar cost that seems kind of hefty. Has that been figured into the Governor's budget?"

Robyn Gabel (D)

"No."

Mark Batinick (R)

"It has not been figured into the Governor… so that change the rates that…"

Robyn Gabel (D)

"It wouldn’t start this year. It would not start until next year so there is no cost in this fiscal year budget."

Mark Batinick (R)

"Okay, but eventually there is a cost. Have you spoken to the Governor about this particular?"

Robyn Gabel (D)

"And it would be in the Treasurer Office budget."

Mark Batinick (R)

"Right, but it at I understand that it’s a Treasurer's initiative, but the Governor is the one that has to pay for the program. So you have a 9 million dollar cost has that cost…"

Robyn Gabel (D)

"It can be paid through other state funds that are not GRF. It could also be paid for by some private money. I know in Evanston, we're doing a pilot program like this with all private funds through the Evanston Community Foundation."

Mark Batinick (R)

"Right. But this isn't… you're guaranteeing $50 per newborn?"

Robyn Gabel (D)

"It's subject to appropriation."

Mark Batinick (R)

"Okay. Its subject to appropriation, which is the question have you talked to the Governor's Office about it? Because they're the ones… the Governor's Office and us are the ones that are going to be appropriating it and we keep talking about…"

Robyn Gabel (D)

"Okay."

Mark Batinick (R)

"…we keep talking about spending more and more money with a lot of these Bills. And I haven’t heard… I haven’t 10100036.docx 30 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019 seen in any of my analysis, in fact and I could be wrong, but not once have I seen the Governor's Office as a proponent of some of these new spending Bills. Have you spoken with the Governor's Office about it?"

Robyn Gabel (D)

"I have not. I just spoken with the Treasurer's Office."

Mark Batinick (R)

"Just spoken with the Treasurer's Office, Okay."

Robyn Gabel (D)

"It would be in their budget."

Mark Batinick (R)

"You may have heard this before, but I'm going to sit back and listen to the rest of the debate and we'll see where this goes. Thank you, Representative."

Robyn Gabel (D)

"Yeah, the importance of this Bill is that it is… research has shown that any amount that is saved for a child for higher education, they will be three times more likely to attend college and four times more likely to graduate from college."

Mark Batinick (R)

"Thank you for your answers."

William Davis (D)

"Representative Skillicorn, for what reason do you rise?"

Allen Skillicorn (R)

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

William Davis (D)

"She indicates she will."

Allen Skillicorn (R)

"Good afternoon, Representative. Quick question, I hear there is a shortage of welders will this money go to welding training?"

Robyn Gabel (D)

"Pardon?"

Allen Skillicorn (R)

"I hear there is a shortage of welders, will this go to job training to for welding?"

Robyn Gabel (D)

"Yes. It can also be used for any post-secondary education."

Allen Skillicorn (R)

"So any post-secondary education… What about blue collar workers that just enter the workforce without college?" 10100036.docx 31 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019

Robyn Gabel (D)

"As long as they have a high school degree, it's for any post-secondary education."

Allen Skillicorn (R)

"But if someone is a blue collar worker doesn't go to any sort of college, just goes right into workforce, do they get a check from the Treasurer's Office?"

Robyn Gabel (D)

"No, they do not. Well they… if they don’t spend it for higher education by the time they're 26, they would not have access to this $50 that hopefully would grow to be a little more."

Allen Skillicorn (R)

"Okay, thank you very much. To the Bill. This is just another tier of stratification with the working class versus the white collar workers. This favors families that can send their kids to college. It doesn't do anything for blue collar workers, it does not do anything for impoverished communities. This is more welfare for the rich. Vote 'no'."

William Davis (D)

"Representative Wehrli, for what reason do you rise?"

Grant Wehrli (R)

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

William Davis (D)

"She indicates she will."

Grant Wehrli (R)

"Thank you. So this is going to be a continuing appropriation for about $10 million. Is that correct?"

Robyn Gabel (D)

"Nine."

Grant Wehrli (R)

"Nine million dollars."

Robyn Gabel (D)

"And it's not a continuing appropriation. It's subject to appropriation. So each year they would have to decide how much there could be appropriated."

Grant Wehrli (R)

"And it's my understanding that the Treasurer can decide that maybe $50 isn't enough and he can mathematically increase that to a 100, 200 thousand, 5 thousand. Is there any cap to 10100036.docx 32 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019 how much that the Treasurer can allocate as an appropriate amount?"

Robyn Gabel (D)

"They will need to go through rules too, so… through JCAR."

Grant Wehrli (R)

"So… JCAR? It would have to go through JCAR?"

Robyn Gabel (D)

"Yes, it would have to go through JCAR."

Grant Wehrli (R)

"Okay. And earlier you stated there's about a $1 million in operational costs to the Treasurer. Is that correct?"

Robyn Gabel (D)

"Yes, correct. That's what they're proposing."

Grant Wehrli (R)

"So that's over 10 percent in operational costs. So if you're an investor in a mutual fund, if you have a 10 percent load, you're being ripped off."

Robyn Gabel (D)

"Well, I don’t… a load? I mean any program I know of have has at a least a 10 percent administrative cost."

Grant Wehrli (R)

"Well, there's part of the problem with the State of Illinois is we're extremely inefficient. So this is… to the Bill."

William Davis (D)

"To the Bill."

Grant Wehrli (R)

"Actually, I'm going to… I have an additional question. Do we have other savings vehicles in the State of Illinois to save for college? That are state run?"

Robyn Gabel (D)

"We have the 529 College Fund now. What this will do is encourage more people to save, it'll encourage more working class people to save. As I said, the research shows that there are three times more likely to go to college if they have even $50 in a savings account for them and four times more likely to graduate. As I said this program…"

Grant Wehrli (R)

"Allow me to rephrase my question."

Robyn Gabel (D)

"Thirty-four states are doing this program." 10100036.docx 33 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019

Grant Wehrli (R)

"Does the state run any other investment vehicles for residents to save for college?"

Robyn Gabel (D)

"There is a completely… not out of the… there is a completely different program where they do run another program for college funds."

Grant Wehrli (R)

"What's the fiscal health of that program?"

Robyn Gabel (D)

"It's not good, but it's not the Treasurer's program."

Grant Wehrli (R)

"Not good. So it's state… a state run savings program for college that is quote, not good. Can you define what is not good?"

Robyn Gabel (D)

"The Treasurer's 529 program is very healthy."

Grant Wehrli (R)

"That’s not… that was not my question."

Robyn Gabel (D)

"That's the program that we're looking at."

Grant Wehrli (R)

"That was not my question. State-run programs, you said, is not good."

Robyn Gabel (D)

"I don’t know the answer to any other program, yeah I don’t know the answer to the other program."

Grant Wehrli (R)

"So are we in the midst of trying to redo that program, to salvage that one?"

Robyn Gabel (D)

"That's not the purpose of this Bill. The purpose of this Bill…"

Grant Wehrli (R)

"It's a 'yes' or 'no' question."

Robyn Gabel (D)

"…the purpose of this Bill is to work with the Treasurer's Office, which has a successful 529 program."

Grant Wehrli (R)

"So, to the Bill. The state has serious financial mismanagement problems, it's pandemic around this state as far as how we invest our dollars and how we exercise our fiduciary responsibility. This is yet another opportunity for the State of Illinois to mismanage funds. Right now it starts 10100036.docx 34 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019 as $50, we heard by rule it could… there's no cap to that. It’s a million dollars on a nine million dollar investment which is a heavy load for oversight of a program that quite honestly whether it’s the Treasurer's Office, the Governor's Office, or any office in the State of Illinois we do a terrible job at managing our money. It is better for the individual to take this $50 of their own and invest it on their own in the market were they can grow this. Anytime I hear that it’s a 10 percent load to oversee money by the state, that's a problem. So this is well-intentioned Bill that will lead to nothing but disaster, more financial ruin for the State of Illinois. Please vote 'no'."

William Davis (D)

"Representative Hammond, for what reason do you rise?"

Norine K. Hammond (R)

"Question of the Sponsor."

William Davis (D)

"She indicates she'll yield?"

Norine K. Hammond (R)

"Thank you. Representative Gabel, you had a similar Bill last year to this Bill at that time there was significant bipartisan support. This Bill takes that same legislation that you presented last year and absolutely takes it off the cliff in our opinion. So the cap that was mentioned, has there been any discussion on how high that could possibly go, how that increase… how high that increase may go?"

Robyn Gabel (D)

"The intention is to have it be $50. As we said, the department would have to go to JCAR to get that amount increased. The amount… as I've said, the research shows that it doesn't matter how much is in the account but simply that there is an account for that child. I mean you were a Sponsor of this Bill and I'm surprised that you pulled yourself off. 10100036.docx 35 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019 I mean this Bill is pretty similar to the one that was there last year."

Norine K. Hammond (R)

"There are significant differences to the Bill from last year, Representative. In your legislation, does the money from those accounts have to be used for an Illinois school or an Illinois university or trade school?"

Robyn Gabel (D)

"No, it does not. It’s a 529 savings account, it does not."

Norine K. Hammond (R)

"And perhaps that would have been with all of the changes you made that could have been a significant change as we struggle to keep our Illinois students here in Illinois to further their education and to get into our workforce. As far the fees for… so this $50 that sits there from birth to an age 26…"

Robyn Gabel (D)

"And earns interest, its invested by a professional."

Norine K. Hammond (R)

"…and earns interest. So at age 26 is that interest reflected in the 529…"

Robyn Gabel (D)

"Yes."

Norine K. Hammond (R)

"…or where does that interest go?"

Robyn Gabel (D)

"The interest, it follows that $50, and if by age 26 they do not use those funds, they go back to the Treasurer's Office and can be reinvested."

Norine K. Hammond (R)

"And would they be reinvested in this same program or would they go somewhere else?"

Robyn Gabel (D)

"They'd be reinvested in the same program."

Norine K. Hammond (R)

"So in other words, other individuals that are a part of this program they could see an even higher rate?"

Robyn Gabel (D)

"No. It would go to new infant… new babies being born."

Norine K. Hammond (R)

"So, at some point in time do you anticipate that this would be self-funded?" 10100036.docx 36 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019

Robyn Gabel (D)

"You know that’s an interesting question because certainly the cost to the state will go down every year after 10 years. But you want the program to be successful so you want them to use that money so you don’t necessarily want the money to come back to the fund. So it's hard to say, I mean… they’ll… we'll be doing analysis to see how many families are actually using this funds and how many are not. So that’s a difficult question to answer."

Norine K. Hammond (R)

"And is your legislation specific that is in fact the case regarding the fees?"

Robyn Gabel (D)

"The fees?"

Norine K. Hammond (R)

"Is your legislation specific? Does it state specifically that these funds would continue?"

Robyn Gabel (D)

"Go back into the fund, yes."

Norine K. Hammond (R)

"Okay. And finally, there has been significant opposition from the banking community because, they too provide these services to people in Illinois. And certainly in other states but more and more we see particular this Treasurer getting deeper and deeper in to what are the traditional banking industry and I have serious concerns about that. And I would urge a 'no' vote."

Robyn Gabel (D)

"Sure. Yes… no, the… you know the department… the Office of the Treasurer is going to be working with the banking industry. What this Bill does is it also encourages families to get their own 529 account. And we think that this will actually encourage people to save and to use banks. In other states the banks have been great partners with this. So we will continue to talk to the banks and work with them on this 10100036.docx 37 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019 issue this should be in full support of this as it will increase their funds as well."

William Davis (D)

"Representative Demmer, for what reason do you rise?"

Tom Demmer (R)

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

William Davis (D)

"She indicates she will."

Tom Demmer (R)

"Representative Gabel, we had some good conversation about very aspects of this Bill. I have to ask though about one characteristic here that strikes me is peculiar, and that’s, why is the question of the dollar amount that the Treasurer would establish these accounts, why that is referred to JCAR? Why is that set by administrative rule and not by legislation?"

Robyn Gabel (D)

"The $50 is in the legislation but to change it would need to through JCAR."

Tom Demmer (R)

"Why wouldn't we come back to…"

Robyn Gabel (D)

"That's to put some checks…

Tom Demmer (R)

"…why wouldn't we come back to legislation?"

Robyn Gabel (D)

"…checks and balances on it that I would think that your side of the aisle would be happy about."

Tom Demmer (R)

"Well, the… the ultimate check that we have is legislative actions."

Robyn Gabel (D)

"Not to do it."

Tom Demmer (R)

"The check and balance of delegating to JCAR, a question of what financial resources are available is very strange. It's not normally the purview of JCAR. So I think the question would be, looking at JCAR which traditionally ensures that administrative rule that are enacted are consistent with a legislation as it passed this chamber. On what criteria would 10100036.docx 38 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019 JCAR evaluate a future change that the Treasurer suggested for this? What would the criteria be that JCAR would weigh in on?"

Robyn Gabel (D)

"So the department… the Office of the Treasurer is not wed to that line and the piece in the Bill. They'd be happy to change it in the Senate if you feel that would… that's inappropriate. But I think the intent of this Bill is to have the $50 and continue with the $50. As I've said before the amount doesn’t matter as much as the fact as there is a savings account for that child."

Tom Demmer (R)

"Thank you. To the Bill, Mr. Speaker. I think we're pointing out there's a lot of unanswered questions with this. We have a very strange procedure set up that seems to delegate outside of this Legislature the authority to make changes that will have a fiscal impact that will come back to this Legislature to ask us to appropriate money for. And we could be set up with a situation in which the Treasurer offers instead of $50 its $5,000 next year. We come back to the Legislature then and it's going to be our responsibility to come up with an appropriation to meet that need. We can't delegate appropriation authority to an outside group, even if it’s a JCAR that’s created by Members of the Legislature. That’s not what JCAR is for. JCAR is not there to make decisions about whether an appropriation is sufficient or not. The power of appropriating money is one of the core functions of the General Assembly. We should be very wary of any measure that takes that power away from the House of Representatives. This Bill is one example of that and has a 10100036.docx 39 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019 lot of unintended consequences. As a result of that, I encourage a 'no' vote."

William Davis (D)

"Representative Keicher, for what reason do you rise?"

Jeff Keicher (R)

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

William Davis (D)

"She indicates she will."

Jeff Keicher (R)

"All right. Thank you. Representative, approximately how many students a year are we talking that will be enrolled in this program?"

Robyn Gabel (D)

"We are talking about newborn babies, 165 thousand a year."

Jeff Keicher (R)

"Okay. I had spoken extensively in the committee on this and then after with the Treasurer's staff. Can you help share with me the notification letters that will go out to each Household and whether those will have the Treasurer's name on those letters?"

Robyn Gabel (D)

"The State Treasurer's Office adheres to the state ethics guidelines in the marketing of the programs and services. The State Officials and Employee Ethics Act governs program promotional materials for the Treasurer just as it does for all Members of the General Assembly."

Jeff Keicher (R)

"I love that you had that ready, thank you. Can you help me understand… we in this state have had trouble with public officials putting their name all over programs that taxpayers have funded? A Governor dubbed that one time and we've got a number of other elected officials. So what I hear you telling me is that each and every newborn in the State of Illinois will get a letter to their household plus annual statement that will have the Speaker's name on the letter each and every year… Treasurer, sorry, Treasurer's name?" 10100036.docx 40 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019

Robyn Gabel (D)

"Will adhere to the States Ethics guidelines."

Jeff Keicher (R)

"So I hear you saying yes, but I like to hear you say yes. Each and every…"

Robyn Gabel (D)

"I don’t know, I don't know."

Jeff Keicher (R)

"…of these 166 thousand children will receive a letter initially and once a year at the renewal of the account that will have the Treasurer's name? So we will have virtually every child in every household receiving a letter from the Treasurer specifically and directly each and every year?"

Robyn Gabel (D)

"I would have to look at the guidelines to see if that… what's allowed by the state ethics."

Jeff Keicher (R)

"This seems like a very elaborate marketing plan."

Robyn Gabel (D)

"It will abide by the ethics guidelines."

Jeff Keicher (R)

"And especially since you're asking that the taxpayers to foot the Bill. So the funding for this is coming from the taxpayer, correct?"

Robyn Gabel (D)

"It can come from some other states funds."

Jeff Keicher (R)

"If approved."

Robyn Gabel (D)

"Not… no, it's not going to come from GRF. There's going to be some private funds and some other state funds that are not necessarily taxpayer dollars."

Jeff Keicher (R)

"It's still coming from the taxpayer."

Robyn Gabel (D)

"Not as a tax."

Jeff Keicher (R)

"Not as a tax. So money the taxpayers are giving us is not a tax don’t count and shouldn’t be treated with the same level of care, respect, and diligence? So here's what we have, we have the taxpayers of Illinois funding a marketing program for the Treasurer's Office of Illinois that regardless of who the occupants of the Treasurer's Office will be at the time 10100036.docx 41 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019 will continue to receive mail and marketing materials on free money that is being footed by the taxpayer of the State of Illinois. I think this is a horrible, horrible idea on behalf of the taxpayer because it suggests that the Treasurer is supplying these funds. Additionally, are there any caps to the $50 per child limit?"

Robyn Gabel (D)

"We previously discussed this. At this at this time $50 is what in this legislation."

Jeff Keicher (R)

"At this time is there any cap?"

Robyn Gabel (D)

"It would require approval from JCAR which is comprise of Legislators."

Jeff Keicher (R)

"And is this $50 a onetime deposit?"

Robyn Gabel (D)

"Yes."

Jeff Keicher (R)

"What we would expect that $50 to grow to by the time they're 18 years old?"

Robyn Gabel (D)

"Around $110."

Jeff Keicher (R)

"Are there any means testing to any of the qualifications for any of the participants for any other the families?"

Robyn Gabel (D)

"No. No. No. This is a universal program to encourage all children to go to college."

Jeff Keicher (R)

"And where will this money be invested?"

Robyn Gabel (D)

"With the states 529 program, which has… is privately managed by Union Bank and Trust."

Jeff Keicher (R)

"And what about the families that currently do not trust the Illinois 529 plan and choose to invest in alternative state's 529 plan. What happens with the $50 then?"

Robyn Gabel (D)

"They're still able to use it."

Jeff Keicher (R)

"To the Bill. I urge my colleagues to reject this as a marketing plan. It doesn't really fulfill the mission because 10100036.docx 42 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019 the taxpayers are being left out of receiving credit for helping the students get through college. Thank you."

William Davis (D)

"Representative Mazzochi, for what reason do you rise?"

Deanne M. Mazzochi (R)

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

William Davis (D)

"She indicates she will."

Deanne M. Mazzochi (R)

"All right. As I'm going through this, so it starts on and around page 11, it says that there's going to be a quote/unquote '$50 deposit to an omnibus account that the Treasurer owns.' So, am I correct that then a child can't actually or the child's parents can't actually pull that $50 out, enroll it into their own 529 plan? If for example the parents…"

Robyn Gabel (D)

"No, they cannot. But they are encouraged to start their own 529 plan and they will be linked."

Deanne M. Mazzochi (R)

"But why… if our goal is to make sure there is individual college plans that are funded, why wouldn’t you allow them to simple put the $50 into their own account? If we established that parents have established a 529, why don’t we let the parents put the money in there and then it's there?"

Robyn Gabel (D)

"Well, it is still there. And the reason that the Treasurer's Office wants to continue to control that $50 is because if it's not used then they can recycle it for other children."

Deanne M. Mazzochi (R)

"Well see this is one of the concerns though…"

Robyn Gabel (D)

"But the funds are available for them."

Deanne M. Mazzochi (R)

"…no but see it's not."

Robyn Gabel (D)

"No, they are." 10100036.docx 43 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019

Deanne M. Mazzochi (R)

"Because if this is a onetime only deposit. And you're basically saying that you can't claim, as I read the Bill, you can't claim the $50 until the child has reached the age of 10 years, that’s how it's written in the Bill."

Robyn Gabel (D)

"You have to positively say that you want to do this program. Because the purpose of this program is to teach financial education to families as well to encourage to start their own 529 account."

Deanne M. Mazzochi (R)

"But the problem…"

Robyn Gabel (D)

"And the child… and the child… as I said…"

Deanne M. Mazzochi (R)

"…but if you want to do that, why aren’t you letting the parents take the money right away. Why are you saying they have to wait until child is 10 years… 10 years old?"

Robyn Gabel (D)

"It's to make the program fiscally responsible."

Deanne M. Mazzochi (R)

"Well, but if our goal is to say that students from the age of birth on, if that's consistent with the data that you've had, that making sure that the fund exists and the parent knows about it, why want we let them actually take it out now? Let just appropriate say everybody gets a $50 tax credit you know if they have signed up for the tax credit then maybe you put this in. But if you don't let…"

Robyn Gabel (D)

"So let me explain the research again. The research shows that if a child knows that there is a savings account for them then they are three times more likely to go to college and four times more likely to graduate. The point of having…

Deanne M. Mazzochi (R)

"That why I'm asking. Why are you saying I want…"

Robyn Gabel (D)

"…can you let me finish?"

Deanne M. Mazzochi (R)

"…to make $50…"

Robyn Gabel (D)

"Can you let me finish?" 10100036.docx 44 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019

Deanne M. Mazzochi (R)

"…available but I won't let the parents actually have it until age 10. Then if it turns out that the parents move, the child moves… you know, the child doesn’t live at that same address anymore, the parents are going to know to where their 529 plan is. The Treasurer may not know where the student is and likewise you've got the provision in here that if they don’t claim it by age 10 then its forfeit. Whereas if you at least say, we're going to require… we're going to fund it at the time of the child is born then that money is actually still there until the child reaches the age of 18, and it's not going to be forfeit."

Robyn Gabel (D)

"So as I've said we're trying to make this program more fiscally responsible. As I've said, the parents can claim it at any time up through as 10 but the child has to know that money is there. The parents have to acknowledge that the money is there. And we think this is best way to do that."

Deanne M. Mazzochi (R)

"Right. Well, why… what's stopping us from simply giving banks some type of tax incentive or other regulatory incentive to say, if you create these types of plans or if you deposit $50 into this account then, you know, then great. We'll reward you for that. And then again the banks have for the personal relationship that gets around the concerns that Representative Keicher raised that this is being used inappropriately by the Treasurer as a marketing campaign. And then we don’t have all those administrative costs at the state."

Robyn Gabel (D)

"Yes. Well, there are some people…"

Deanne M. Mazzochi (R)

"And then the banks can do that year after year after year. So instead of having $50, which by my math is going to 10100036.docx 45 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019 turn into about $110 by age 18 then you might actually be able to accumulate several thousand dollars."

Robyn Gabel (D)

"That’s another possibility that would be… we could amend the Bill and add that on in the future."

Deanne M. Mazzochi (R)

"Okay. Well, I mean… can you pull, I mean can you commit to making that type of Amendment so that we don’t have to…"

Robyn Gabel (D)

"No. I'd like this program to begin and to start this year. As we know, we need a whole year of planning. That’s as… what we mainly do in this Legislature is amend Bills, amend laws. So as we see how this Bill folds out we can add that in later."

Deanne M. Mazzochi (R)

"Well, I…"

Robyn Gabel (D)

" I appreciate your comments."

Deanne M. Mazzochi (R)

"…well maybe the way in which we should go at it is we should ask the Treasurer's department to actually do the planning and then when the planning is actually final then we can know exactly what it is we're voting for. Because as things currently stand you're basically saying that we're going to promise parents money but we don’t you don’t actually own that money, maybe you can roll it into a 529 plan by the age of 10 and if not you forfeit it. You know, I think that you're making some promises to parents that the State of Illinois may not actually be able to keep. And that's very concerning to me and particularly if it's going to come out on the imprimatur of the Treasurer's Office. Thank you."

William Davis (D)

"Representative Davidsmeyer, for what reason do you rise?"

C.D. Davidsmeyer (R)

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Question to the Sponsor."

William Davis (D)

"She indicates she'll yield." 10100036.docx 46 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019

C.D. Davidsmeyer (R)

"So are you making argument that $110 at the age of 18 is going to encourage somebody to go to college?"

Robyn Gabel (D)

"I am making this statement that the research shows that if a child's knows that there is any amount of money in a savings account for them to go to college that they are more of likely to go, yes."

C.D. Davidsmeyer (R)

"A hundred and ten dollars?"

Robyn Gabel (D)

"Yes. What it does is it has a mindset for them that they are going to go to college. And they can figure out, first of all their parents can set up a separate 529 account, and they also can work to go college and figure out other ways to fund it."

C.D. Davidsmeyer (R)

"So there… I assume that there will be some kind of reporting requirements…"

Robyn Gabel (D)

"Yes."

C.D. Davidsmeyer (R)

"…to send out to the parents of the individuals who have these accounts? So will there be like annual mailing or something like that to let them know a statement of some sort?"

Robyn Gabel (D)

"Yes."

C.D. Davidsmeyer (R)

"So, just let's… let's say that printing the letters, envelopes, mailing everything let say it cost a buck per person every year you're talking about almost $3 million over their lifetime. So that’s just one year of people for 18 years sending out those statements once a year. So that’s an additional $3 million. So… and that will grow every year. So it's $3 million this year to send out the mailer, and it will grow as we have more and more kids. I mean it's not going to be an initial $3 million cost but when we have a full 18 years 10100036.docx 47 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019 of programs, just the mailing will be $3 million every year, just the mailing of statements."

Robyn Gabel (D)

"The administrative costs are about a million a year."

C.D. Davidsmeyer (R)

"But mailing, mailing itself is more than a million dollars a year."

Robyn Gabel (D)

"I mean, we'll see how…"

C.D. Davidsmeyer (R)

"When you have a full 18 years' worth of people. We'll see, and we'll just wait to see what it costs."

Robyn Gabel (D)

"We don’t have to use mailings, we can also use other forms of communication."

C.D. Davidsmeyer (R)

"So now that the kids… the prior speaker said something about the kids if they don’t claim it… if the parents don’t claim it if the parents don’t claim it by the time there 10, the account goes away?"

Robyn Gabel (D)

"Correct."

C.D. Davidsmeyer (R)

"Why don’t we… didn't we Treasurer have a Bill recently that required life insurance companies to track down family members? Why don’t we require that of the Treasurer to track down the individual to make sure that money follows the individual?"

Robyn Gabel (D)

"The program is designed so that it recycles these funds and is financially responsible."

C.D. Davidsmeyer (R)

"So, he's for private companies having to track people down, but he's not for himself to track people down to claim their money?"

Robyn Gabel (D)

"It's the state's money; it's not their money yet."

C.D. Davidsmeyer (R)

"Whoa. I thought you said this was their account?"

Robyn Gabel (D)

"They can claim it when they're 18." 10100036.docx 48 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019

C.D. Davidsmeyer (R)

"But if they don’t claim it by 10, it defaults and goes away?"

Robyn Gabel (D)

"Correct. This program is also there to teach families financial education."

C.D. Davidsmeyer (R)

"But it's not their account?"

Robyn Gabel (D)

"The funds are available for the child when they're 18… between the ages of 18 and 26 to go to higher education."

C.D. Davidsmeyer (R)

"This just seems kind of like, hey, why you don’t and I go buy a car. We'll just keep it at my house, but it'll be ours. Right? I mean I think that… I think that this small incentive, this $110 is not going to encourage anybody to go. And there are tons of people in the State of Illinois…"

Robyn Gabel (D)

"Well, the research show the opposite."

C.D. Davidsmeyer (R)

"There are tons of people in the State of Illinois that don’t need the extra $50. So there's no means testing to say, we're going to give people who need it $50, and the people that don’t need it, we're going to go and give them $50, too?"

Robyn Gabel (D)

"No, there is not means testing. No. This is a program to encourage all of our children to go to college."

C.D. Davidsmeyer (R)

"I just think… To the Bill. I think that this is an interesting idea, I just don’t think it's ready to go. I think it's, you know, a way for the Treasurer to get his name out, no matter who the Treasurer is. I spoke about it on a different Bill. I think were running all these Bills for the Treasurer so he can get his name out, and I don’t thinks it's right. I urge a 'no' vote." 10100036.docx 49 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019

William Davis (D)

"Members, we still have four Members seeking recognition. Representative Wheeler, for what reason do you rise?"

Keith R. Wheeler (R)

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. To the Bill. Ladies and Gentlemen, for those of you that are not familiar with a Joint Committee on Administrative Rules, I am. I'm a Member of it. I'm actually the Co-chair from the House side. And I want you to understand that the way this Bill is structured, when you give this authority to any agency in this case it's the Treasurer's Office, once a rule is promulgated it takes 8 of the 12 Members of JCAR to prohibit that rule. So what we're creating in this is a backdoor approach to unrestricted funding at the purview of the agency. This is a terrible precedent to set. There is a place for rules and there is a place for legislation, don’t use JCAR and the rule process to create unlimited process for an agency to do this. This is a bad precedent. On this account alone, I will be voting 'no'. Thank you."

William Davis (D)

Representative Stava-Murray, for what reason do you rise?"

Stave Murray

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

William Davis (D)

"She indicates she will."

Anne Stava-Murray (D)

"To the Bill. So as I think the person in the chamber who given birth most recently, I'm simply a little bit jealous that this doesn’t go into effect for my children. And I want to thank you for bringing this forward as it's tough even being a parent with three kids to remember to start the 529 plan for each of the children. So my son has a 529 plan, but we've forgotten to start one for our second two. So I think 10100036.docx 50 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019 this is a great reminder for families of all means and a good incentive for people to get involved in saving for their child's education at the time where it can make most difference. Sure, that $50 may end up being recycled, but if it and if the parents don’t claim it but it could inspire many people to be opening up their own accounts and getting a lot of the advantages at the… in terms of investing early and getting compounded interest on their accounts before their child turns 18. So I think it’s a very good program, and I actually like the fact that it has a marketing for 529 aspect to it, because parents do need to be reminded. It’s an incredibly large transition point in life. And so with the sleepless nights you can sometimes forget about those things you should be doing. So I just wanted to say to thank you. And I encourage an 'aye' vote on this."

William Davis (D)

"Representative Guzzardi, for what reason do you rise?"

Will Guzzardi (D)

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Questions to the Sponsor."

William Davis (D)

"She indicates she'll yield."

Will Guzzardi (D)

"Representative Gabel, can you talk a little bit more about the providence of this idea? Was there a commission that worked on this idea some time ago?"

Robyn Gabel (D)

"Ten years ago there was a commission that worked on this."

Will Guzzardi (D)

"Was it just a Democrat only commission?"

Robyn Gabel (D)

"Yes… it was a bipartisan."

Will Guzzardi (D)

"I didn’t think we would just do a Democrat only commission. It was a bipartisan commission, right? And the commission issued a report, isn’t that right?"

Robyn Gabel (D)

"Yes." 10100036.docx 51 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019

Will Guzzardi (D)

"And one of the recommendations of that report was to do precisely what your Bill proposes, right?"

Robyn Gabel (D)

"It was."

Will Guzzardi (D)

"And it wasn't a divided report, it was a unanimous recommendation of this bipartisan commission?"

Robyn Gabel (D)

"It was."

Will Guzzardi (D)

"And you've worked on legislation awfully similar to this Bill very recently, haven’t you?"

Robyn Gabel (D)

"Yes."

Will Guzzardi (D)

"And that rep… that legislation had bipartisan support, too?"

Robyn Gabel (D)

"Yes."

Will Guzzardi (D)

"Okay. Thank you. To the Bill."

William Davis (D)

"To the Bill."

Will Guzzardi (D)

"I find myself confused by the debate that we've heard here today. On the one hand this program is a vast new marketing program for the Treasurer's Office and on the other hand they're not doing enough to track down people. On the one hand that spends way too much money, on the other hand it's not nearly enough incentive for people to want to go college. One of my colleagues even suggested that this should just be a cash grant to every family that has a newborn that we should just give money to every family that has a child. That's an issue I would love to talk about with my colleague, but that’s not what this Bill proposes. This is a very simple proposal that is grounded in research that says that we can create better outcomes for our children with a very small upfront investment from our state. We're telling the children in this state that we believe in their future with a small 10100036.docx 52 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019 investment of state resources we're going to give them that belief, give their families that belief and encourage better outcomes for them. To everyone on the other side of the aisle who talks about lack of job opportunities and students needing to achieve higher education in order to compete in the global market place, you know that this Bill is the right thing to do. Your folks have been recommending this idea for a decade. So join us today in voting for this good Bill. I urge an 'aye' vote thank you."

William Davis (D)

"Seeing no further discussion, Representative Gabel to close."

Robyn Gabel (D)

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. And thank you all for the discussion about this Bill. As I've stated, this is a Bill that will provide funds for every child born or adopted in Illinois after January 1, 2021. It’s a program that will have the power to start Illinois families saving and changing the trajectory of young lives. It is based on research. The research it is very positive, as I said. It shows that any child who knows they have a savings account three times more likely to go to college and four times more likely to graduate. Thirty-four states already do programs similar to this. I would encourage an 'aye' vote. And thank you."

William Davis (D)

"The question is, 'Shall House Bill 2237 pass?' All in favor vote 'yes'; all opposed vote 'no'. And the voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Batinick. Carroll. DeLuca. Harper. Jones. Kifowit. Villa. Walker. Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, 66 voting 'yes', 42 voting 'no', 1 voting 'present'. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, 10100036.docx 53 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019 is hereby declared passed. House Bill 2264, Representative Meier. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

Bolin

"House Bill 2264, a Bill for an Act concerning agriculture. Third Reading of this House Bill."

William Davis (D)

"Representative Meier."

Bolin

"House Bill 2264, a Bill for an Act concerning agriculture. Third Reading of this House Bill."

William Davis (D)

"Representative Meier."

Charles Meier (R)

"This legislation is a joint effort of University of Illinois extension… extension partners a grass roots organization in support of University of Illinois extension and its programming: 4-H master gardener, nutrition, education, economic development, agriculture, and much more. This Bill makes no appropriation. House Bill 2264 brings the county cooperative extension law update with the Civil Administration Code by changing the 'may' to 'shall' to mirror the Civil Administration Code. There is no additional expenditure of money. And I'd appreciate a 'yay' vote. Thank you."

William Davis (D)

"Seeing no further discussion, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 2264 pass?' All those in favor vote 'yes'; all those opposed vote 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Burke. Didech. West. Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, 111 voting 'yes', 0 voting 'no', 0 voting 'present'. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Bryant, for what reason do you rise?" 10100036.docx 54 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019

Terri Bryant (R)

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. A point of personal privilege, please."

William Davis (D)

"Please state your point."

Terri Bryant (R)

"Just like to recognize in the gallery today, I have Mayor John Lewis and Ms. Mary Ellen Bechtel who is the city manager for Mount Vernon. So Mayor John Lewis of Mount Vernon and Mary Ellen Bechtel, welcome to the Capitol."

William Davis (D)

"Thank you for visiting today. House Bill 2838, Representative Gong-Gershowitz. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

Bolin

"House Bill 2838, a Bill for an Act concerning employment. Third Reading of this House Bill."

William Davis (D)

"Representative Gong-Gershowitz."

Jennifer Gong-Gershowitz (D)

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of this House. I rise to present House Bill 2838 that provides for primary contractor responsibility for wage and benefit theft in the construction industry. Simply put, wage theft is a failure to pay workers the full wages that they're legally entitled to. It’s a widespread and deeply rooted problem that not only harms the workers and families who directly suffer the exploitation, it also damages law abiding business owners. Employers who commit wage theft have artificially lower labor costs and can under bid competitors who follow the law. A recent study of the 10 most populous states found that construction workers in Illinois lose 22.9 percent of their income to wage theft. Aside from just being wrong, there is also a public cost. When workers aren't paid, there is straight forward loss in payroll and income tax revenue. And when workers comp isn't paid and a worker is injured on the job, it’s the taxpayer that picks up the tab at the emergency 10100036.docx 55 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019 room. The good news is that this is a solvable problem. This Bill gives primary contracts the tools necessary to ensure the sub-contractors that they hire and choose to do business with are paying their workers. General contractors are given the authority, not a mandate, to collect contract bid as well payroll records for wages and benefits from subs of any tier. The idea is to incentivize contractors to solve problems before they become acute and actually prevent wage theft from happening in the first place. A worker does not have a direct claim against a general contractor in this Bill. Only the Department of Labor or a joint labor management committee compose equally of management and labor Representatives can bring us to the lawsuit to collect unpaid wages. This protects contractors against frivolous and harassing lawsuits and ensures that meritorious claims get the attention that they deserve. In short, this Bill is about leveling the playing field and ensuring that contractors who are doing the right thing by paying their workers can stay in business. And I'd ask for an 'aye' vote."

William Davis (D)

"Ladies and Gentlemen, we have six people seeking recognition. Representative Wheeler, for what reason do you rise?"

Keith R. Wheeler (R)

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

William Davis (D)

"She indicates she will."

Keith R. Wheeler (R)

"Representative, you and I discussed this Bill for a little bit in committee when it was coming through there. There, I can see you now. Thank you. There's some real concerns about how this would function in the real world. Are you aware of that?" 10100036.docx 56 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019

Jennifer Gong-Gershowitz (D)

"I had conversations with Members about how the Bill will function, yes."

Keith R. Wheeler (R)

"And with Members… what about contractors?"

Jennifer Gong-Gershowitz (D)

"Yes, we've been in conversations and we're, you know… do you have… yes, we have been having conversations."

Keith R. Wheeler (R)

"Have you worked to address any of those concerns? I don’t… I don't see any Amendments on this Bill yet, and I know we've talked about a lot of issues that came up in committee. Are you intending to amend this Bill at all or you're going to run this as is?"

Jennifer Gong-Gershowitz (D)

"I filed this Bill in February, and it wasn't until after this Bill passed committee that anyone approached me to have conversation. So we're continuing to have those conversations. And as a matter of fact the Department of Labor may have some suggestions about the implementation. We're continuing to have those conversations. And it will have an opportunity to continue those conversations as the Bill moves through the committee process in the Senate."

Keith R. Wheeler (R)

"Well, once we vote on this today it leaves our hands, unless the Senate amends it and it can come back for concurrence at which point we have no control of the Amendments of that process either. So I guess I'm asking you… I know I've been reached out to by a number of our listed opponents as well as other actual contractors, people who hire people in my district and around my district, to say that this… I think they use the general word that I can say on the House Floor anyway is unworkable. This is not something we can do to actually make a difference for the contractors that are following the right process, doing the right thing 10100036.docx 57 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019 we're putting them in a terrible trouble amount of liability with this process. So, would you consider pulling it from the record today and working on an Amendment? With the… with the people who've you actually been talking with?"

Jennifer Gong-Gershowitz (D)

"Representative, this Bill was extensively negotiated and passed in California. And the reason why workers do not have a direct cause of action against a contractor and the reason why in this particular legislation if there were workers who had not been paid, a claim would have to be filed at the Department of Labor. And the Department of Labor would have to decide that that claim was meritorious before any liability attached is part of a recognition that we need to make sure the contractors voices are heard in this process."

Keith R. Wheeler (R)

"My question was just, are we consider working on it some more? It was just a 'yes' or 'no' question."

Jennifer Gong-Gershowitz (D)

"In the House, I'm asking for an 'aye' vote."

Keith R. Wheeler (R)

"Okay. Well, I'm going to point out a couple of things to you then. Thankfully Illinois does not rubber stamp everything that California does. We'd be further off the cliff than we already are right now. So telling me that California has already done this and that’s why we should is not enough. I believe I also requested from the gentleman who testified in committee something to back up the number you just gave on the floor of some 22 percent of wages being lost. Now that's incredulous from my experience in the trades, both as a worker and a contractor, because you can't function. Nobody can function under that scenario. The most important thing you have is a contractor is access to good people who work hard. 10100036.docx 58 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019 And believe me those of us who are union contractors we got to go through the process of paying people a great wage, they got great benefits, and we paid them. And you know they did a great job for us and gave a great life to us. So the idea that someone shorting anybody those contractors don’t last you don’t use them in projects going forward. You can't because the project responsibilities are on you, the general contractor, to make sure that actually happens. So those are things you're looking at in adding this Bill you're saying well the general contractor is the prime contractor is going to be responsible for everybody else in the system. If there is a wage dispute between a subcontractor and some employees or worse yet a subcontractor of a subcontractor and their employees, I have no control over that as a general contractor. But I need to build in a cost now to pay for that so we're going to raise the cost of doing business in Illinois, we're going to raise the cost of every project in the state. That's the effect of this Bill. Is that really your intent?"

Jennifer Gong-Gershowitz (D)

"It is not my intent. And this Bill has some experience in California and that's not what's happened. Bond rates have not increased, this has not stopped a construction. In fact, the construction industry is booming in California. And I would like to point out, Representative, that a contractor that is doing all of the things that you said and ensuring that workers are paid and they're hiring subs that they know to be reputable and are paying their workers, has no reason to be concerned about this Bill." 10100036.docx 59 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019

Keith R. Wheeler (R)

"I wish that was true. I wish that that was true. Because the way I understand these things that it can happen. A dispute can come up at for any reason and you have to prepare for that which means you have to assume you have some additional legal fees, you have additional overhead costs of administration just to prepare for these concepts. And the fact that your accountant is going sit down and say you need to set aside x amount of dollars just in case someone files the claim. All… you're talking about insurance costs… you mentioned bonding before, again, I can't speak to the California example I just know my experience. And it’s a real experience. And the contractors I used to work with that have reached out to me that do all the right things that pay their people, that have had people working for 20 and 30 years offering them a great careers are… they don’t like this Bill for a number of reasons. In fact, I won't even say on the cause I can't on the House Floor for decorum reasons what they told me. This Bill will devastate a lot of companies not because they are thinking that they do the wrong thing, they're going to get in trouble from this Bill. One more thing, this is just one more reason why they should retire and move to another state. I hear this every single day. I'm sure you hear some of it, too. But this is another reason we are to run people out of here. Representative Halbrook was talking here… it came up here, is there any… what are the protections for the contractor in this Bill?"

Jennifer Gong-Gershowitz (D)

"The protection is that no one can file a lawsuit unless a worker has had… has been cheated out of their wages 10100036.docx 60 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019 and the Department of Labor feels that the claim is meritorious."

Keith R. Wheeler (R)

"So it goes to late… the Department of Labor first?"

Jennifer Gong-Gershowitz (D)

"That is correct."

Keith R. Wheeler (R)

"How far behind is the Department of Labor right now on their investigations on these kinds of wages thefts?"

Jennifer Gong-Gershowitz (D)

"I don’t have that information."

Keith R. Wheeler (R)

"Well, I'll tell you what, they testified last year in committee that they are so far behind that we've talk about adding the Attorney General, their office in to how we should investigate these kinds of situations. So the process is they would linger on forever. Which means you have a potential liability on your books that’s going to last multiple years, that’s just a fact right now. We don’t…"

Jennifer Gong-Gershowitz (D)

"The statute of limitations in this Bill is one year, they have one year. That's it."

Keith R. Wheeler (R)

"They file a claim in one year. That's what you're saying. Then it's going to sit in the Department of Labor and their investigation process for a number of months, years, we don’t know the answer cause they are so far behind. And now we're adding another reason for people to file claims. Thank you, Representative. I appreciate the answer to your questions, my questions… your answers to my questions. I'm going to go to the Bill. Ladies and Gentlemen, I understand the intention of the Sponsor and her work toward protecting workers. This Bill is going to have some real unintended consequences, like many things we do here cutting and pasting from other state to this state doesn't always work the way we want it to, because our administration here and our processes are not the same. 10100036.docx 61 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019 One of the things that I see coming from this is for a general contractor to say, you know what it's going to be easier for me going forward to not have subcontractors, I'll just do it all in the house. I will do it myself, I'll go vertical all the way to the bottom. And I won't hire subcontractors because now I have total control. That is a bad thing for small business. It’s a bad thing for small business because the guy who wants to start on his own and create an opportunity to take his talents and his ideas and his way of doing things and bring it to market. That’s probably not going to happen because he want as many opportunities because it's just going to go all in house. The biggest guys are going to get bigger and the small guys are going to shut out. Please vote 'no'."

William Davis (D)

"Members, we now have 9 Members seeking recognition. The Chair is going to move to a 5 minute timer. On that Representative Mazzochi, for what reason do you rise?"

Deanne M. Mazzochi (R)

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

William Davis (D)

"She indicates she will."

Deanne M. Mazzochi (R)

"All right. Representative Gong-Gershowitz, have you ever actually run a construction project?"

Jennifer Gong-Gershowitz (D)

"No, I've run a non-profit agency."

Deanne M. Mazzochi (R)

"Okay. Have you ever actually worked on a construction project? Either being responsible for hiring subs, getting to completion, getting the bank loans, or doing anything relates to construction?"

Jennifer Gong-Gershowitz (D)

"I'm not a general contractor, no."

Deanne M. Mazzochi (R)

"Okay. And you are not a sub-contractor?"

Jennifer Gong-Gershowitz (D)

"No." 10100036.docx 62 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019

Deanne M. Mazzochi (R)

"You've never done construction work yourself, I take it?"

Jennifer Gong-Gershowitz (D)

"What's your point?"

Deanne M. Mazzochi (R)

"My point is, is that you actually know nothing about this industry, you've never worked in this industry. So you have people on our side of the aisle… and we did talk to you about this in committee, people who have worked with as contractors, who finance construction projects, who understand how this… how this industry works. And we pointed out to you specific things that were wrong with this Bill and specific things that need to be fixed with this Bill, including if you really did want to protect the workers. And also pointed out to you some of the protections you're proposing won't actually protect the workers, because the big thing that the union was focusing on is having all the people do these certified payment contract… payroll things. If your subcontractor is lying to you that he's paid his workers, if your subcontractor has lied to you on his mechanic's lien statement, and then why do you think that the subcontractor is going to not somehow lie to the general contractor. And what you're doing is you're saying that if workers get screwed over by a subcontractor then the general contractor who paid the sub gets to get screwed over twice. He's not only going to mechanic's lien on his property, he is going have union lawsuits, he is going to have pension lawsuits, he going to have an Illinois Department of Labor lawsuits. And if you don’t think that's going to make it harder for your general contractor to actually sell the property that’s an issue, you're completely wrong because the titling company is never 10100036.docx 63 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019 going to release the sale. So you're creating all these adverse consequences and you have no clue how they actually go through the system. We asked you if you would be amendable to making changes, and I wanted to be very clear that none of our feedback has been taken into account when it comes this language. There's all kinds of better ways that you could protect the workers if that’s really what your intent is without punishing the general contractors. You're not even limiting the scope of this to amounts that were unpaid or reserve amounts. You're basically saying…"

Jennifer Gong-Gershowitz (D)

"Now that is just blatantly misrepresenting the Bill. The Bill very specifically says that you can only go after unpaid wages, does not allow for trouble damages or double damages."

Deanne M. Mazzochi (R)

"No. Unpaid wages could be a huge dollar amount. So if I paid a subcontractor $20 thousand and the subcontractor incurred $15 thousand worth of wages and I only retain 10 percent and he didn’t pay the $15 thousand. You're now saying, I, general contractor, am paying twice. I paid my subcontractor the 20 less the 10 percent now I have to go pay another $15 thousand, not my fault. I'm not… the contractor is not the one who screwed over the workers. So what you're doing, and frankly you also want to know where this is going to have the biggest consequences as well, the people who get hurt by this kind of stuff the most are the small contractors, the small businesses. And you know who also gets hurt by this, the minority contractors because these are exactly the kind of things that they don’t have the capital reserves to be able to do, they don’t have the ability pay for people twice. 10100036.docx 64 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019 You are hurting people with this Bill. And the fact you say, well, I think works in California. That’s not what's going to work for contractors in Illinois. And the fact that you know… when you don’t know anything about this industry, and you won't talk to the people who actually do this kind of work about ways to try to actually fix this so it's not going to harmful is extraordinary problematic. To the Bill. Again, this is one of those Bills where I really hate to say it but this again is going to have all sort of unintended consequences. It's going to tie up sales, it's going to make it harder for people to be in general contractors, it's going to raise construction pricing because what you as a general contractor now have to do is assume that every single price that you're subcontracting out you may have to actually pay double or even more if your subcontractor miss bid. The general contractors don’t get to go back and tell the laborers, hey' I didn’t make money on this job give me my money back. You're now basically saying that labor, and labor by the way does have all sorts of tools, they have union representation, they have mechanic's liens that they can file. You're basically saying, I'm not going to obligate them to take advantage of any of those tools we already have in law, I'm just going to screw over the general contractor because of that this is just a bad Bill. I vote 'no'."

William Davis (D)

"Representative Stava-Murray, for what reason do you rise?"

Anne Stava-Murray (D)

"Thank you. Will the Sponsor yield?"

William Davis (D)

"She indicates she will." 10100036.docx 65 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019

Anne Stava-Murray (D)

"So, I have a question. So, when a construction project is going on, what is the general contractor, what is their purpose of being there?"

Jennifer Gong-Gershowitz (D)

"The general contractor manages the contract, manages the project. General contractors responsible for ensuring that construction codes are followed, building codes ae followed, fire codes are followed. I actually was curious I am not a general contractor; however, this Bill was actually supported the carpenters union who have a fair amount of experience in construction. And this was brought to me by a concerned constituent, who is a contractor, and said that he is having trouble competing with those who aren't playing by the rules and aren't playing fair. And so this would allow a contractor to do is to simply ask the subcontractors to show that they had paid their workers, and if workers are paid, there is no liability here."

Anne Stava-Murray (D)

"So what happens if… what happens right now when the subcontractors, who are not paying their workers, give bids verses those who are good actors who are paying their people? What are those… is there a difference in those bids? Like in the cost of them or is there one that seems more attractive maybe to a general contractor currently? For those who aren’t paying their contractors are they able to offer lower prices?"

Jennifer Gong-Gershowitz (D)

"That’s exactly right. And it's making a difficult for contractors who are doing the right thing to compete."

Anne Stava-Murray (D)

"So, it sounds like the unintended consequences… to the Bill. It sounds like the unintended consequences are of 10100036.docx 66 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019 the market reality now. So saying that we… that those contractors don’t last is obviously not the case when we have such a large percentage of wage theft going on. To say that a general contractor can't be responsible for another aspect of project management, seems to me disingenuous, that somehow we require the cost of unpaid labor to be borne by those who are doing the actual labor. Seems to me the unsustainable or to use the word of the opposition, the unworkable solution is what's going on currently. So to think that somehow this is just another reason for people to file claims, I think misses the bigger point that right now people don’t have a way to file a claim for those wages that have been stolen. And so thinking about those who have had the stolen wages above those who can afford to be a general contractor, I urge my colleagues to have a 'yes' vote."

William Davis (D)

"Representative Weber, for what reason do you rise?"

Tom Weber (R)

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Does the Sponsor yield?"

William Davis (D)

"She indicates she will."

Tom Weber (R)

"Sounds to me, there's a couple of different issues. There's obviously some Members that have no idea how a construction project works and what a general contractor is. So you're not running around making sure people get paid, you're working for the owner of the property in which case you're making sure that the project gets done. We're not standing their looking over the codes, that’s the building inspector job, all you're doing is managing the project. So for instance if there a bank that owns a property, a realtor that's managing that property would be considered under your Bill a general contractor are you aware of that?" 10100036.docx 67 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019

Jennifer Gong-Gershowitz (D)

"I don’t see that… the analogy, no."

Tom Weber (R)

"So, the general contractor as described in the Bill says, anyone who has a contractual obligation to the property owner, which if a bank owns a piece of property and a realtor is managing that property then they could be liable if they hire a roofing company and the roofing company doesn’t pay his employees. Is that correct?"

Jennifer Gong-Gershowitz (D)

"No. This provides for direct contractor responsibility and defines that pretty narrowly on this Bill."

Tom Weber (R)

"So no, if you actually look at your bill and you say what is a… so for those that don’t know there is no license or certification in the State of Illinois for general contractor. This is a status people call themselves, you probably hear neighbors saying I'm generally my own job. There is no status to say I'm in the State of Illinois as a general contractor. There is no such thing. So anyone that manages a project under this Bill for money: a realtor, a condo association, or anything else would be the person to have a direct financial contract with the owner of the property. Those people, realtors also would be liable for paying wages the way I read it."

Jennifer Gong-Gershowitz (D)

"That is not the intent of the Bill and that is not how the Bill is written."

Tom Weber (R)

"Well, that's exactly how the Bill is written, because it says anyone with a financial contractual obligation to the owner of the property. If a bank owns a house and they hire a realtor to manage that property and a realtor hires a roofer and that roofer does not pay the wages then that realtor would 10100036.docx 68 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019 be liable to pay those back wages. And by the way, this is not just back wages, its back wages and benefits."

Jennifer Gong-Gershowitz (D)

"In Section (a)(1), it specifies that it is talking about a direct contractor who is making or taking a contract in the state for the erection, construction, alteration, or repair of a build structure or other private work."

Tom Weber (R)

"So I'm glad you agree with me because direct contractor as described is someone with a contractual obligation to the owner of the property because there is no such thing as general contractor. Also under the same instance, a condo association management company that would hire a repair when you get paid is a contractor like myself if I do a roof my check would come for that management company. Under your Bill that management company also would be liable if I don’t pay my employees to come up the wages and benefits."

Jennifer Gong-Gershowitz (D)

"I don’t believe that’s the case. I think the Department of Labor and the Joint Labor Management Committee under the contractors union understand what a direct contractor is and would not file a claim in that case."

Tom Weber (R)

"So in the State of Illinois, not 'Illifornia' by the way, there's many foreclosures across the state, many banks have taken ownership of the property. And realtors are managing these properties. Are they aware that your Bill would affect them?"

Jennifer Gong-Gershowitz (D)

"I have not heard from them, no."

Tom Weber (R)

"Well, I just contacted them yesterday to ask if they had any input, so. But the way your Bill reads is anyone with a contractual obligation to the owner of the property. So that 10100036.docx 69 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019 would include every realtor that’s managing a project across the State of Illinois. And by the way, every contractor is not wealthy, minority contractors, small contractors like myself with three employees oftentimes higher subcontractors that’s are ten times the size of us. We may just be there managing it for a small job and have to hire out plumbers that are more expensive, roofing contractors that are more expensive, electricians that are much bigger companies. So one of those companies that's bigger could be sticking to little minority companies or small companies like myself, and there wouldn’t be anything we'd able to do or afford to take them to court. So I think there a lot of consequences for this Bill that have not been…"

William Davis (D)

"Please bring your remarks to a close."

Tom Weber (R)

"So just for the unknown consequences, for the realtors, for anyone that says they want to manage these projects on their own please vote 'no' because you may be liable."

William Davis (D)

"Representative Davidsmeyer, for what reason do you rise?"

C.D. Davidsmeyer (R)

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Question the Sponsor."

William Davis (D)

"She indicates she yield."

C.D. Davidsmeyer (R)

"So if there's been a little bit of discussion but I want you to understand that new contractors will not have a chance, new subcontractors will not have a chance to get it into the marketplace because the large general contractors will not take a chance that they will have to cover these individuals. So you're talking about small… new small businesses as was discussed earlier, you're talking about minority- and woman-owned businesses. You're talking about a 10100036.docx 70 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019 number of issues and we're trying to allow these small businesses to get into the market and most of the time they can't get in as a prime contractor or as a general contractor and I think… I think this has unintended consequences that we're really not looking at. We want to encourage small businesses and people who never being in business to have an opportunity to grow and get involve in these marketplaces and this discourages that. As a contractor this would require me to go to the individual's bank and say, hey I need a letter of credit I need to know for a fact that these people can cover their wages. Is that a concern?"

Jennifer Gong-Gershowitz (D)

"I guess I don’t understand why it would be an issue as long as you have the tools that you need to ensure that workers are being paid. So for example, on a public contract where you have to certify… the general contractor has to certify under penalty of perjury that wages have been paid by their subs. It took me all of five minutes to pull off a certified transcript of payroll where you just put the name of the worker, the days that they worked, the wages and ensure that somebody has been paid. You show this to a general contractor and they don’t need to worry that their workers aren't being paid. And you don’t have a claim if the worker hasn't… if the worker has been paid, there is no claim here."

C.D. Davidsmeyer (R)

"Where do you think the certified payroll from the subs come from?"

Jennifer Gong-Gershowitz (D)

"This does not require a certified payroll I'm just making the point…"

C.D. Davidsmeyer (R)

"No, but I'm saying you're talking about certified payroll over there, that’s what you pulled up. I mean I filled 10100036.docx 71 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019 out those documents, I've signed my name on the line. So where do you think the certification… the certified payroll from the subcontractors come from? Where does that come from? Do you think I make it up? If I'm the prime contractor, if I'm the general contractor, do you think I make those numbers up? Or do you think the subcontractor gives them to me?"

Jennifer Gong-Gershowitz (D)

"The subcontractor would have to give those to you."

C.D. Davidsmeyer (R)

"And they would have to lie, right? They would have to lie and tell me that they paid their wages."

Jennifer Gong-Gershowitz (D)

"I don’t know if I understand the question?"

C.D. Davidsmeyer (R)

"For me to be subject to doing that they would have to lie. Why I would be subject to paying their wages when they told me that they were paying them all along. They told not only me, but let's say they working for the State of Illinois. They told the State of Illinois by signing those sheets that they paid their employees. So should the State of Illinois be subject to it as well because they were duped? Let me ask an easier question."

Jennifer Gong-Gershowitz (D)

"If there is fraud going on we have a whole different issue. And you may have a claim against the subcontractor for fraud, but that is not what we're getting at here. We're getting at a general contractor being the best position to ensure that workers on their job people that hire to work on their project are paying their workers. Workers aren't entitled to be paid twice. If they have been paid, they don’t have a claim. And it’s the Department of Labor that would have the responsibility to weed out frivolous lawsuits. No claim is being made." 10100036.docx 72 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019

C.D. Davidsmeyer (R)

"But you're putting responsibility on it business that did not hire those employees. So let me put it this way, let's say you want to redo your bathroom in your house. So you hire a contractor to come in, he does all the work you pay him for it. He does not pay his employees, should I be able to come back to you and say… as his employee, should I be able come to you and say, well my employer didn’t pay my wages, but I think you should."

Jennifer Gong-Gershowitz (D)

"Homeowners are not liable under this Bill."

C.D. Davidsmeyer (R)

"No… but it’s the same idea. It’s the same exact idea, because at that point on your property you're managing your own… your own job basically you hired that individual to come in and do the job. So the same premise of this Bill could be applied to… and I know it doesn’t cover them, so I'm making the argument that it does, but the same ideas that you should have to pay the wages for that contractor because you hired that contractor. That's exactly what you're saying in this Bill. We need to figure out a better way to ensure that these individuals are paid and it shouldn’t be responsibility of a contractor…"

William Davis (D)

"Representative, can you bring your remarks to a close?"

C.D. Davidsmeyer (R)

"Yes, thank you. It should not be the responsibility of the responsible contractor who's doing the right thing and paying the wages, it shouldn’t be that person's responsibility. You are taking away opportunity from small businesses to break through that glass ceiling or whatever to go to the next level because they're not even going to get a chance to take the first step. So I… there's a number of 10100036.docx 73 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019 reasons, but this Bill takes a way opportunity for a number of groups: small contractors, minority contractors, female contractors. So I encourage a 'no' vote."

William Davis (D)

"Representative Batinick, for what reason do you rise?"

Mark Batinick (R)

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

William Davis (D)

"She indicates she will."

Mark Batinick (R)

"Representative, I'm going to take a little bit of a different angle here. I have some empathy for what you trying to do. And I'm curious, what is… in wage steps situations what is the current statute? What's the penalty?"

Jennifer Gong-Gershowitz (D)

"Currently, I think the Department of Labor does have a processor filing wage theft and it is to recoup lost wages."

Mark Batinick (R)

"Right. What is… what is the penalty to the subcontractor?"

Jennifer Gong-Gershowitz (D)

"I'm not sure."

Mark Batinick (R)

"Okay. I guess and that’s where… that's where I think maybe I'm going to beg you to take this Bill out of the record, maybe amend it because I agree with you wage theft is bad. I'd be… if this really is a big problem, I'd be all in for increasing fines on subcontractors who are bad actors, that's an efficient way to do this. That doesn't drive up costs for construction projects that would be an efficient way to do this. So that many of the other speakers have mentioned that you have a lot of small startup subcontractors that are women-owned businesses, minority-owned businesses, people that don’t have the large payroll that aren't the big boys of the world. I'm worried that a Bill like this would 10100036.docx 74 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019 inadvertently stop them from taking that first step. And I would love to work with you on legislation that would increase the penalty for the bad actors instead of going this route."

Jennifer Gong-Gershowitz (D)

"The problem right now is that workers are the one on the hook when they're being cheated. And once that happens it is very difficult, it is a huge and a steep climb to ever see that money back. And so this incentivizes the general contractor who's holding themselves out of as the management of a project to ensure that their working with people who simple pay their workers. Because honestly once wage theft happens…"

Mark Batinick (R)

"I'll move for you."

Jennifer Gong-Gershowitz (D)

"…I'll keep backing up, no matter how stiff the penalties the reality is that workers are being left on the hook and they're not being paid and…"

Mark Batinick (R)

"Well I just… because I'm on the clock, I'm going to interrupt you. You said no matter how steep the penalties you didn't know if the penalties were. I have a problem with you saying that no matter how steep the penalties are, it's not happening. We… you don’t have that information."

Jennifer Gong-Gershowitz (D)

"I've done my due diligence. I've read paper after paper from the economic policy institute, from University of Massachusetts, and this is a well-documented problem that isn't being solved. This asks simply that you do business with people who pay their workers and if workers are being paid, the Department of Labor isn't going to have a reason to file suit against anyone."

Mark Batinick (R)

"Okay. I'm going to go to the Bill. I offered my peace offering there. Here is what going to happen, because I've 10100036.docx 75 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019 talked to a lot of general contractors on this, minimally it's going to increase of bookkeeping. It's going to increase the cost of liability insurance, you can't increase anybody's liability without increasing the cost of liability insurance. Over time my guess is that this will increase the cost to bonding. When you do that, you increase the cost of construction. And I talk at ad nauseam on this floor about how we do things inefficiently, how we spend a lot of money on things but somehow get less of a result then other states. And its things like this that add up to this. So a couple of things are going to happen. One, general contractors are going to have to charge more. So they're going to have to charge more to build a school, to build a university, to build a social services center. The increase for somebody to get their home built, all those things are going to go up. The cost of those things are going to go up. That's bad, that's bad for everybody. The other thing that’s going to happen is that I talked to general contractors about this Bill last night that does work around the United States they said, we're just not… we're going to stop bidding in Illinois. You have less people bid that also drives up the costs. This is bad for taxpayers. There's other ways of solving this problem. And this vote were to meet the 60 requirement, I certainly ask for a verification. Thank you."

William Davis (D)

"Representative Ammons, for what reason do you rise?"

Carol Ammons (D)

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Would the Sponsor yield?" 10100036.docx 76 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019

William Davis (D)

"Members, a verification has been requested by Representative Batinick. Representative Ammons, for what reason do you rise?"

Carol Ammons (D)

"Thank you. Would the Sponsor yield for a quick question?"

William Davis (D)

"She indicates she will."

Carol Ammons (D)

"Thank you. Representative, there's been quite a bit of debate on this subject. I just want to circle back to the purpose of this Bill. Can you clarify why you filed this Bill in the first place?"

Jennifer Gong-Gershowitz (D)

"Because it's important to ensure that people are getting paid for the work that they do."

Carol Ammons (D)

"And have you seen through your research, I know you referenced a few research institutions, have you seen this being a problem of significant proportion in Illinois?"

Jennifer Gong-Gershowitz (D)

"It is."

Carol Ammons (D)

"And would your Bill require those who did not pay the wages or may be subject to this Bill, does it require them to make any kind of changes in relationship to payroll or their workers at all?"

Jennifer Gong-Gershowitz (D)

"It does not mandate anything."

Carol Ammons (D)

"And so the overall goal of the Bill then you will say it's to really deal with those actors?"

Jennifer Gong-Gershowitz (D)

"That’s right."

Carol Ammons (D)

"All right. To the Bill."

William Davis (D)

"To the Bill."

Carol Ammons (D)

"This is not a new story and unfortunately, this is a very difficult one, because the research has shown on national level as in Illinois, when I work on the temporary worker Bill, this was part of that Bill. Wage theft was an issue 10100036.docx 77 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019 then, it's an issue now. And paying workers what they deserve and what they've earned is the actually based problem that this Bill is trying to address. Wage theft affects millions of workers each and every single year. If this were not a problem, I nor my colleague would have worked on this issue last year and certainly this year for House Bill 2883 that’s in front of us or 38 that’s in front of us today. I believe that workers who are low income as we work with the Department of Labor around the temporary worker Bill, they testified that it was extremely difficult for them to get support on this issue because they don’t have money, in many cases they are temporary workers, and they can be fired without recourse. This Bill would just give protections to workers that have experienced wage theft and I'm sure that it is not a lot of workers according to my colleagues here on the right. We want to catch those bad subcontractors as well as prime contractors that are engaging in this felonious behavior. And so I do urge an 'aye' vote for my colleagues here in the House to support this step forward to end this practice of wage theft and to really require accountability on the part of the of the contractors, sub and prime, when it comes to perpetuating a practice of wage theft that has driven us to this point in Illinois. And I do urge an 'aye ' vote."

William Davis (D)

"Representative Pappas, for what reason do you rise?"

Diane Pappas (D)

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

William Davis (D)

"She indicates she will."

Diane Pappas (D)

"Thank you. Representative Gong-Gershowitz, you and I have discussed this Bill before and do you recall that I spoke 10100036.docx 78 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019 with you about the Standard AIA documents that I use as underline bases for most construction projects?"

Jennifer Gong-Gershowitz (D)

"I do."

Diane Pappas (D)

"Okay. And do you recall that I mentioned that in those documents, those standard documents the contractors are responsible for all acts and omissions of employees both of their own employees and their own subcontractors?"

Jennifer Gong-Gershowitz (D)

"Yeah, you mentioned that."

Diane Pappas (D)

"Okay. And do you recall that I also mentioned that where it's other… unless it's otherwise provided in the documentation the contractor, who contracts to perform all of the work for the owner, is actually responsible for the payment of all labor performed under that contract?"

Jennifer Gong-Gershowitz (D)

"That’s correct."

Diane Pappas (D)

"So really in most contracts where the general contract… the general contractor undertakes construction work they already take on the responsibility to pay for all of the labor perform under the contract, is that correct?"

Jennifer Gong-Gershowitz (D)

"That’s right."

Diane Pappas (D)

"Okay. So… and is there also an indemnity provision in this standard documentation that requires the general contractor to then notify the owner if there are any claims for… with respect to performance of that contract?"

Jennifer Gong-Gershowitz (D)

"That's right."

Diane Pappas (D)

"And is there also a provision that requires a general contractor to comply with all applicable laws with respect to the law… with the respect to the work performed under the contract?"

Jennifer Gong-Gershowitz (D)

"Yes." 10100036.docx 79 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019

Diane Pappas (D)

"And in fact aren't we talking about the violation of Illinois labor laws in this Bill?"

Jennifer Gong-Gershowitz (D)

"That’s exactly right."

Diane Pappas (D)

"So the general contractor in their standard documentation is already committing to the owner that they will ensure that the subcontractors that they hire will comply with all applicable labor laws in Illinois, is that correct?"

Jennifer Gong-Gershowitz (D)

"That’s right, that's the law."

Diane Pappas (D)

"Then it seems that we're not really changing anything by doing this Bill except providing the laborers who are doing the work on the project with an ability to recover the wages that they're not getting from the subcontractor. I also have… hold on one moment. Let me look at my notes. I understand that there is a lot of concern or there seems to be a lot of concern on the other side of aisle about the problems that this Bill will cause the general contractor. Isn't it true that under the current regulations when there is a claim filed by an employee, the only person who knows about that claim is the subcontractor?"

Jennifer Gong-Gershowitz (D)

"That’s right."

Diane Pappas (D)

"So there is no information being passed on to the general contractor or the owner about the fact that the subcontractor did not do their job, did not follow the law, and did not pay their workers for the work performed?"

Jennifer Gong-Gershowitz (D)

"That's right."

Diane Pappas (D)

"So the general contractor has… under current regulations has no way of knowing which of the subs are bad subs, unscrupulous sub, subs that violate the law and which are good subs that actually follow Illinois laws?" 10100036.docx 80 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019

Jennifer Gong-Gershowitz (D)

"That's right."

Diane Pappas (D)

"So isn’t it the fact that this regulation will help the Illinois construction industry because it will help identify those contracts who actually are trying to comply with Illinois laws?"

Jennifer Gong-Gershowitz (D)

"That’s the intent of the Bill."

Diane Pappas (D)

"And isn't the case that if we do this and we help identify the good contractors those contractors who now have to compete for jobs with unscrupulous contractors who underpay their employees and possibly underbid on contract projects that those contractors who do comply with the law will actually be able to compete on a fair basis?"

Jennifer Gong-Gershowitz (D)

"That's the whole idea, to level the playing field and ensure those who are following wage and labor laws in our state are the ones that can thrive in and do business in our state."

Diane Pappas (D)

"So in that the case that this bill actually protect those small businesses."

Jennifer Gong-Gershowitz (D)

"That's right."

Diane Pappas (D)

"Okay. To the Bill. I believe that we are creating issues here and my colleagues on the other side of the aisle in their effort to protect the general contractor are forgetting about the subcontractors are forgetting about the employees that are… who's wages are being stolen. We worry about small businesses leaving Illinois of course, but we also have a shortage of employees in the trades. And why are we not worrying about those people leaving the State of Illinois because there wages are being stolen by unscrupulous business owners who are allowed to do business in Illinois who are not 10100036.docx 81 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019 keeping in check. And also to the point that was made earlier regarding realtors and management companies. Realtors and management companies do not actually contract to perform this work unlike a general contractor. When a general contractor in a construction industry enters into a contract they undertake to perform all the work under the contract and they are then allowed to subcontract some of the work. That is not nature of the contract that you enter into with a realtor. No realtor has ever entered into a contract with an owner in order to put on a new roof. They enter into be the agent of the owner to hire somebody to put on the new roof. So there is a difference there and I think it has not been flagged up. I believe this will help employees, I believe that this will help small businesses indus… in Illinois. And I urge my colleagues."

William Davis (D)

Speaker Davis: "Representative, are you done? Representative Tarver, for what reason do you rise?"

Curtis J. Tarver II (D)

"Will the Sponsor yield?"

William Davis (D)

"She indicates she will."

Curtis J. Tarver II (D)

"You know, Jennifer, I don’t like to talk very much but what ends up happening is that someone from the right always says, have you represented from the minority contractor? Are you minority contractor? The interesting thing is five days ago nobody want minority woman on boards but today… today is our lucky day. They care about black and brown people as contractors. So I've actually represented a GC for the last 13 years, one of the largest minority owned contractors in the state. And I talked to him about this Bill, he's okay with it. He's okay with it. He's not going to go out of 10100036.docx 82 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019 business at all, right? And he's GC of Marino's, he's GC of Walmart's, he's GC Whole Foods as well. You know I would like to respond to every single point, am I right? But most of them just make no sense. The notion that nobody's licensed as a general contractor is frankly stupid. I took 25 seconds and pulled up on Google, the City of Chicago actually licenses… the Great City of Chicago by the way, licenses general contractors, would you believe it."

Jennifer Gong-Gershowitz (D)

"I'm glad to hear that."

Curtis J. Tarver II (D)

"Exactly. So here is the reality of it. Not only do I represent minority contractors, I've actually built out a couple places you know because I own a small business, too. That happens. Black people own business, women own businesses. We deserve to be on corporate boards as well. The bottom line to all of this every single thing that's been put out there about this so bad for business is untrue. It's not. It's simply about holding the people accountable. And I find it offensive when everything coming from this side of the aisle is we've got to be accountable, we've got to be accountable. You know as a Legislator, this, that, and the other. And now we say general contractors should be accountable and it becomes a huge issue. So I'm in support of the Bill. I will encourage everybody even if you, Jennifer, are not minority-owned contractor, who they want to save and help today, even if you are not a woman-owned contractor, who they want to help and save today, I encourage you to keep pushing forward Bills like this. I'll always be here to support those and any time somebody is looking for somebody, who I don’t know who is a lawyer, owns a business, is unafraid 10100036.docx 83 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019 to speak to issues just call on me. I got your back Jennifer, vote 'yes'."

William Davis (D)

"Representative Mason, for what reason do you rise?"

Joyce Mason (D)

"Will the Sponsor yield?"

William Davis (D)

"She indicates she will."

Joyce Mason (D)

"Thank you. I'm trying to make this simple and easy because quite honestly I don’t understand why this is so difficult. So Representative, when a consumer hires a general contractor do they… say to remodel their house, do they get choose who the plumber is that the general contractor hires?"

Jennifer Gong-Gershowitz (D)

"My understanding that your general contractor is the one who handles that."

Joyce Mason (D)

"Right. And the same with the flooring, the roofing, the electrician, correct?"

Jennifer Gong-Gershowitz (D)

"I believe so."

Joyce Mason (D)

"So they're are putting that responsibility for the project on the general contractor? They are trusting the general contractor to do that?"

Jennifer Gong-Gershowitz (D)

"That's right."

Joyce Mason (D)

"And if there's a problem down the road, do they call that sub-contractor to complain or do they call the general contractor?"

Jennifer Gong-Gershowitz (D)

"I think typically you'd go to your general contractor."

Joyce Mason (D)

"Yeah, because often times people don’t even know who their subcontractors is, correct?"

Jennifer Gong-Gershowitz (D)

"Correct." 10100036.docx 84 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019

Joyce Mason (D)

"So if the general contractor who is by the way charging a markup right because they're not paying the plumber their actual rates, right? They're doing all of that is willing to take responsibility for putting their name on this project, shouldn’t they also be willing to take the responsibility to make sure that the people doing the work on that project are paid?"

Jennifer Gong-Gershowitz (D)

"That’s exactly the intent of the Bill."

Joyce Mason (D)

"Okay. So I do not have a history as a contractor, I've hired many but I've worked in the corporate world. If we in a business hire an independent contractor, say to come in and do audit or work on a project. And that independent contractor behaves badly in the office or does something incorrect, that corporation… that company is responsible for that behavior. Because the independent contractor is acting as agent of that company and that's how that works. So how difficult is it for a general contractor to say to the sub-contractor when you submit your invoice to me I would like a print out of your payroll showing that the people who have worked on this job have been paid?"

Jennifer Gong-Gershowitz (D)

"This Bill actually gives the contractor the authority to do exactly that."

Joyce Mason (D)

"Okay. So they don’t have to pay the subcontractor before they get that proof, correct?"

Jennifer Gong-Gershowitz (D)

"Correct."

Joyce Mason (D)

"And as one of the folks on the other side of the aisle complained about, there's no letter of credit requested to make sure in advance that that subcontractor is good for the payroll is there?" 10100036.docx 85 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019

Jennifer Gong-Gershowitz (D)

"No."

Joyce Mason (D)

"No. So there's no preliminary questioning, no ooh… you might be shady I'm not going to hire you. It's just I'm not going to pay you until you've shown me proof that you've paid people?"

Jennifer Gong-Gershowitz (D)

"A contractor could do that if they wanted to, yes." Mason: "Okay. So this seems very simple to me. It seems like a great protection for workers. As someone who has spent years overseeing payroll, I know it takes minutes to print out that record of payroll, not hours, not weeks, not anything that will increase costs for a general contractor. That’s ridiculous. This is a ridiculous argument. And I fully support this Bill. I encourage an 'aye' vote."

William Davis (D)

"Representative Parkhurst, for what reason do you rise?"

Lindsay Parkhurst (R)

"To the Bill."

William Davis (D)

"To the Bill."

Lindsay Parkhurst (R)

"Thank you. This Bill is redundant and repetitive and actually unnecessary. We have the Illinois Department of Labor which is a department of the state and it covers unpaid wage claims for employees and for contractors. It has a hearing system, it has penalties, and it has a chance for mediation. And so we already have this covered we should let our Illinois Department of Labor cover this issue. You can go right online, file an online claims form for any unpaid wages. And so there's no reason to carve out an exception and to punish other areas… other contractors in this area by holding them by for a punishment double pay when there's already a 10100036.docx 86 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019 remedy and a whole department in Illinois to cover this area. So I would urge a 'no' vote. And I think that the Bill really just seeks to punish the good actors and doesn't help the bad actors. Thank you."

William Davis (D)

"Representative Jones, for what reason do you rise?"

Thaddeus Jones (D)

"Will the sponsor yield?"

William Davis (D)

"She indicates she will."

Thaddeus Jones (D)

"How you doing, Representative?"

Jennifer Gong-Gershowitz (D)

"I'm well. Thank you."

Thaddeus Jones (D)

"Great. Great. So Representative, you're not from California, are you?"

Jennifer Gong-Gershowitz (D)

"I am not. I have been born, raised and lived in Illinois my whole life."

Thaddeus Jones (D)

"Because someone on the other side said that this Bill is for California. It's not for California?"

Jennifer Gong-Gershowitz (D)

"This is to protect Illinois workers from wage theft."

Thaddeus Jones (D)

"Never talked to anybody in California about this Bill, correct?"

Jennifer Gong-Gershowitz (D)

"No. I've talked to the carpenters union here in Illinois."

Thaddeus Jones (D)

"So Representative, there were claims made on the other side that this Bill is going to stop minority women and vendors from actually participating in it. Is that the intent of this Bill?"

Jennifer Gong-Gershowitz (D)

"Absolutely not. And I think it's insulting to suggest that I… minority contractors would be any more prone to wage theft claims than anyone else." 10100036.docx 87 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019

Thaddeus Jones (D)

"So Representative, can you walk through like when someone files a claim with the Department of Labor, are you familiar with that process?"

Jennifer Gong-Gershowitz (D)

"Generally."

Thaddeus Jones (D)

"So generally, what's the process when someone has a wage claim? Do you know how many wage theft claims have been filed in Illinois?"

Jennifer Gong-Gershowitz (D)

"I actually printed out the flow chart. It basically… you file a claim and they actually as of last year approved the process so that you can file a claim online. And then it starts with the Illinois Department of Labor informing the employer that a claim has been filed. There's a response of process and it’s a basically an administrative review and hearing process."

Thaddeus Jones (D)

"Okay. So there were also claims that this Bill would slow down the process, it would add an undue burden to the Department of Labor. Are you aware of that happening? Or would this Bill do that to the Department of Labor?"

Jennifer Gong-Gershowitz (D)

"The Department of Labor has not expressed that concern."

Thaddeus Jones (D)

"Okay. So looking at the opponents of this Bill. Have you had any contact… has the Department of Labor reached out to you and said this Bill… that they're against this Bill, supporting this Bill?"

Jennifer Gong-Gershowitz (D)

"No. In fact, we're continuing conversations with this Department of Labor, they may want to make some suggestion on the Senate side to put some more information in the Bill about process, but I've not heard any concerns about… with the respect to enforcement." 10100036.docx 88 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019

Thaddeus Jones (D)

"Has any one of the opponents came to you and offered any language saying we want this language on this Bill, this will make this a better Bill?"

Jennifer Gong-Gershowitz (D)

"No."

Thaddeus Jones (D)

"And have you reached out to any of those opponents that are listed in our Bill of analysis?"

Jennifer Gong-Gershowitz (D)

"Over the last week I talk to representatives of the opponents and we're continuing to have those conversations. I'm happy to continue to have those conversations as the Bill moves through the Senate and comes back on concurrence."

Thaddeus Jones (D)

"So you're giving your word that in the Senate some of the items that the other side mentioned will be addressed, I think this is a great Bill, but are you giving that commitment to do that, Representative?"

Jennifer Gong-Gershowitz (D)

"I'm committing to continuing the conversation and I think that would be up to the Senate Sponsor to make any further commitments with the respect to amending it."

Thaddeus Jones (D)

"So why did you chose to model this after the California statute that you listed?"

Jennifer Gong-Gershowitz (D)

"This was an initiative by the United Brotherhood of Carpenters, who worked on a model Bill. It was extensively negotiated in California which was the first state to pass the Bill. And in fact, that's why the Bill has a Department of Labor or the Joint Labor Management Commission as the only bodies who have standing to sue. And that would was out of concern that we not have frivolous or harassing lawsuits."

Thaddeus Jones (D)

"So does this Bill pre-empt Home Rule, do you know?"

Jennifer Gong-Gershowitz (D)

"I am not… I don’t believe so." 10100036.docx 89 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019

Thaddeus Jones (D)

"So the other side had the opportunity to file any fiscal notes? They claim that this Bill not only would be bad for contractors, minority woman, but they had the opportunity to file a note on this Bill. To your knowledge are there any notes been filed on this Bill?"

Jennifer Gong-Gershowitz (D)

"Not that I am aware of."

Thaddeus Jones (D)

"Representative, to the Bill. I'm stand in strong support of this Bill. This Bill not only looks at the issue wage theft, but we know that this is a serious issue. It doesn't prevent any minority contractors, this Bill helps and this is a great Bill that the Representative has brought forward. I urge an 'aye' vote."

William Davis (D)

"Representative Willis, for reason do you rise?"

Kathleen Willis (D)

"Will the Sponsor yield, please?"

William Davis (D)

"She indicates she will."

Kathleen Willis (D)

"Representative, I think we've heard from quite a few proponents and quite a few opponents on this Bill. Is your intent to harm general contractors with this Bill?"

Jennifer Gong-Gershowitz (D)

"Of course not. It's to make sure that general contractors who follow the law can thrive and stay in business in the State of Illinois."

Kathleen Willis (D)

"And isn't in fact if a general contractor hires a subcontractor and for some reason the subcontractor fails to fulfill their obligation especially when it comes to paying wages to their workers, who is that going to reflect poorly on at the end of day?"

Jennifer Gong-Gershowitz (D)

"Well, it’s the general contractors who name is generally associated with the project." 10100036.docx 90 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019

Kathleen Willis (D)

"And so that’s where we're really looking at when we go and we do this it really to… nobody knows how many unless you are directly in the industry and doing the work who all of the workers are. You see the big trucks out there that have the general contractors name on it. Oftentimes in the bidding process, it’s the general contractors that get the credit for the work done, but is often… but in the end of it's the subcontractor that general contractor hires to do this that sometimes fails to come through. Is that not correct?"

Jennifer Gong-Gershowitz (D)

"That's right. It the… in this case it’s the general contractor who'd be in the best position to ensure that workers are paid."

Kathleen Willis (D)

"And so what I'm seeing is that, I'm hearing from many of my colleagues on the other side of the aisle that this going to hurt minority businesses or minority subcontractors that they're… they're the ones that are going to be hurt by this or even our minority general contractors. Don’t you find it odd when it's convenient for them, then they worry about our minority contractors or our minority people in this State of Illinois? I'll leave that one just to hang out but you don’t have to respond to that. So what I'm seeing and what I'm hearing and you've made it very clear that this Bill was brought to you by the carpenter association. And so the carpenter's association have found that there are a number of subcontractors that are failing to fulfill their obligation and is that why they brought this Bill to you?"

Jennifer Gong-Gershowitz (D)

"Yes."

Kathleen Willis (D)

"Okay. And so, what we're hoping is we're saying look you’re the big guy, you're the general, you're supposed to 10100036.docx 91 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019 make sure and part of your obligation to the project is to make sure that you direct hire out the subcontractors that’s not going to do wage fraud or do subpar work or have other issues. And if you go and you hire somebody that's not working to the best of their ability or doing wage fraud to their employees, you're going to have to pony up to get it correct. Is that not right?"

Jennifer Gong-Gershowitz (D)

"That's right."

Kathleen Willis (D)

"Right. So what this in a essence going to do is going to make that our general contractors are much more diligent in who they hire underneath them to represent them and to do some of the subcontract work. Is that not the intent of the Bill?"

Jennifer Gong-Gershowitz (D)

"The intent of the Bill is to, you know, ensure that general contractors are more choosy… choose subcontractors that they know are going to pay their workers and if workers are paid there is no problem and no liability under this Bill."

Kathleen Willis (D)

"Thank you very much. To the Bill. This is exactly what we need in the state right now. To say that we already have this redundancy in there, well you know what then vote 'yes' on the Bill if you think this is being redundant. It's going to cause no harm on voting 'yes' on the Bill, making sure that we have our general contractors held to a standard that they make sure when they sub out the work that they make sure it goes to the best subs that are not fraudulent on their claims of paying the workers, that they treat their workers with dignity, pay them for the hard work that they've done during the day. This is a Bill that we need to have in there. 10100036.docx 92 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019 Obviously the carpenters feel that it's not being redundant. Obviously the AFL-CIO doesn't feel that it's redundant. Who else do we have? We have the Chicago Regional Council of Carpenters, the Southern Illinois Carpenters, Carpenters Local 174, and the Blue and Green Alliance along with the AFL-CIO of Illinois. All of these strong labor unions feel that this is not a redundant Bill that is necessary. And I think it is within our best interests to support these friends in labor to make sure that we have the best Bills possible out there and…"

William Davis (D)

"Representative, can you bring your remarks to a close?"

Kathleen Willis (D)

"Of course, I can. And I urge an 'aye' vote on this Bill. Thank you."

William Davis (D)

"Representative Welch, for what reason do you rise?"

Emanuel Chris Welch (D)

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

William Davis (D)

"She indicates she will."

Emanuel Chris Welch (D)

"I just have a couple of questions for the Representative. But first of all, I want to thank her for bringing House Bill 2838 to the floor. Wage theft is an issue, Representative, that I've worked on in the past. But one of the… some things have been said on the other side of the aisle that just concern me. And it seems like on many instances here people want to diminish and talk down about the credentials that many of us have here. And it is my understanding that you never run a construction company before, correct?"

Jennifer Gong-Gershowitz (D)

"That’s true."

Emanuel Chris Welch (D)

"You have run a not-for-profit agency though, correct?"

Jennifer Gong-Gershowitz (D)

"That’s right." 10100036.docx 93 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019

Emanuel Chris Welch (D)

"And you are a lawyer by profession, is that right?

Jennifer Gong-Gershowitz (D)

"Twenty years."

Emanuel Chris Welch (D)

"Twenty years. And prior to running a not-for-profit… you mind sharing with this Body the law firm you worked with when you were in private practice?"

Jennifer Gong-Gershowitz (D)

"I was with Winston & Strawn."

Emanuel Chris Welch (D)

"One of the top tier law firms that law students compete for each and every year. Is that correct?"

Jennifer Gong-Gershowitz (D)

"I'd like to think they had fairly good reputation, yes."

Emanuel Chris Welch (D)

"Can you tell us, counselor, what… when you think of wage theft what that means to you? What is wage theft?"

Jennifer Gong-Gershowitz (D)

"In basic terms, it is a violation of the law. It's a failure to pay workers the wages that they're legally obligated to be paid."

Emanuel Chris Welch (D)

"So someone has actually already done the work. Is that what you're saying?"

Jennifer Gong-Gershowitz (D)

"That’s correct."

Emanuel Chris Welch (D)

"And this money is owed to them. Is that what you're saying?"

Jennifer Gong-Gershowitz (D)

"That's right. And wage theft can take many forms. It can take a form of a minimum wage violation where they're being paid less than the legal minimum wage. They can be subject to overtime violations under the Fair Labor Standards Act, which means that the worker was not paid time and half for hours worked in excess of 40 hours of week. There are off the clock violations where employees are asked to work off the clock before or after their shifts, there are meal break violations, pay stubs and illegal deductions, and employee 10100036.docx 94 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019 misclassification violations all which violate the Fair Labor Standards Act, which is a Federal law enacted to protect workers."

Emanuel Chris Welch (D)

"To the Bill. Thank you, Representative. Members, I think first and foremost when we bring Bills to the House whether we're Democrat or Republican, we shouldn’t stand up and try to degrade one of our colleagues in their experience. We should address the merits of a Bill. To try to say someone hasn't run a construction company or someone shouldn't run a Bill because they're a man and not a woman and things of that nature is not fair to any of us. Let's talk about the merits of a Bill. And when you look at this Bill, this Representative who has spent her life speaking up for the voiceless is doing that right here. She's speaking up for those who have earned wages that are being stolen from them. This is an issue that should be easy to support, we've been debating this for over an hour. This should have been a simple Bill here today. We want to protect those who can't protect themselves. And that’s what this Bill does here today. And I would ask for everyone to vote for House Bill 2838. Thank you, Mr. Speaker."

William Davis (D)

"Members, Representative Batinick has requested a verification. All Members will be in their chairs and vote their own switches. Seeing no further discussion, the Chair recognizes Representative Gong-Gershowitz to close."

Jennifer Gong-Gershowitz (D)

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. And thank you for the thoughtful questions and the discussion we've had here today. The bottom line is that no business should be able to gain a competitive advantage by cheating its workers. If a business cannot succeed without breaking 10100036.docx 95 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019 the law, it should not exist. If a general contractor fails to do their due diligence and pays a subcontractor in full who stole from their workers and the Labor Commissioner decides to sue then they can be liable, but that only happens if you hire subs that steal from workers and you don’t check and put a stop to it. The general contractor is in the best position to prevent wage theft from happening in the first place. Once a worker is cheated recovery is a steep climb for those who are often our most vulnerable and are getting stolen from in cheated in the first place. If a business is following best practices and doing there due diligence to ensure that workers get paid, a worker isn't going to have a claim. No one is paying twice. A general contractor can hold back enough to ensure that a sub can make payroll. And if a sub has employees working for them that they need to pay, they must have some process for keeping track of the workers, the hours they work, the wages they're owed. And they can certainly ensure that they can give the general contractor the information that they need to verify that the workers on their jobs have been paid. The bottom line is the best way to protect against wage claim is to do business with reputable subs that pay workers. I did extensive research in connection with this Bill and the key findings from the economic policy institute found that the employers steal billions from workers' paychecks each year and that wage theft is a significant problem in the United States. Wage theft being the practice of employers failing to pay workers the full wages to which they are legally entitled is a widespread and deep-rooted problem that directly harms millions of U.S. 10100036.docx 96 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019 workers each year. Employers refusing to pay promised wages, paying less than legally mandated minimums, failing to pay for all hours worked or not paying overtime premiums deprives working people of billions of dollars annually. It also leaves hundreds of thousands of affected workers and their families in poverty. Wage theft does not just harm the workers and families who directly suffer exploitation, it also weakens the bargaining power of workers more broadly by putting downward pressure on hourly wages in affected industries and occupations. For many low income families who suffer wage theft the resulting loss of income forces them to rely on more heavily on public assistance programs, unduly straining safety net programs and hamstringing efforts to reduce poverty. In short, this Bill is about bringing self-policing back to the construction industry, ensuring the contractors who are thriving in our state are the ones that are following best practices and paying their workers. And I urge an 'aye; vote."

William Davis (D)

Speaker Davis: "Again, Members, Representative Batinick has requested a verification. All Members will be in their chairs and vote their own switches. And the question is, 'Shall House Bill 2838 pass?' All in favor vote 'yes'; those opposed vote 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? On this question, there are 70 Members voting 'yes', 41 voting 'nay', and 1 voting 'present'. Mr. Clerk, please read the names of those voting in the affirmative. Representative Batinick."

Mark Batinick (R)

"Since everybody had time to get lunch I call off the verification." 10100036.docx 97 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019

William Davis (D)

Speaker Davis: "The verification being withdrawn. On this question, there are again 70 voting 'yes', 41 voting 'no', 1 voting 'present'. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On page 29 of the Calendar under the Order of Agreed Resolutions, we have House Resolutions, sorry. Again, on page 29 of the Calendar under the Order of Agreed Resolutions, we have House Resolutions 230, offered by Leader Hoffman. Mr. Clerk."

Hollman

"House Resolution 230, offered by Representative Hoffman. be it RESOLVED, BY THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES OF THE ONE HUNDRED FIRST GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF THE STATE OF ILLINOIS that we congratulate the Belleville West High School Boys Basketball Team on winning the 2019 Class 4A State Basketball Championship, and we wish them many more successful seasons."

William Davis (D)

"Leader Hoffman on the Resolution."

Jay Hoffman (D)

"Thank you Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I'll be brief. I just wanted to introduce and acknowledge the Belleville West Basketball team. As indicated by the Clerk, they are for the second year in a row, they are the 4A Basketball Champions here in Illinois. I'd like to welcome their Coach Joe Muniz as well as Doctor Jeff Dozier who is a superintendent of schools and Mr. Basketball in Illinois, Mr. Eric Liddell for the second time in two years. The Belleville West High School State Champions."

William Davis (D)

"Representative Bailey, do you wish to speak on this Resolution? We'll get back to you. Leader Hoffman moves for the adoption of Resolution… House Resolution 230. All those in favor say 'aye'; all those opposed say 'nay'. And 10100036.docx 98 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019 the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. And the Resolution is adopted. On page 29 of the Calendar under the Order of Agreed Resolutions, we have House Resolution 231, offered by Representative Greenwood. Mr. Clerk."

Hollman

"House Resolution 231, offered by Representative Greenwood. be it RESOLVED, BY THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES OF THE ONE HUNDRED FIRST GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF THE STATE OF ILLINOIS that we congratulate the East St. Louis Senior High School Boys Basketball Team, the Flyers, on winning the 2019 Class 3A State Basketball Championship, and we wish them many more successful seasons."

William Davis (D)

"Representative Greenwood on the Resolution."

LaToya Greenwood (D)

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. I am very excited to welcome to their State Capitol the Class 3A Boys basketball team, East St. Louis Senior High School. They are in our gallery at the top if we would all wave and acknowledge them today. We have Coach Mark Chambers as well as Superintendent Arthur Culver here today. And I want to just take a moment to recognize and acknowledge the players on the team. Brian Calhoun, Jashawn Anderson, Richard Robinson, Elijah Rice, Traeveion Jones, Cornelious Leflore, Kendez Basquine, Carlton King, Andre Gillespie, Jabril Olivaria, Armond Williams, Kentrell Cox, Terrance Hargrove Jr., and Jaylon Jones. Thank you for coming here to Springfield, you guys did amazing job. This the first state champion boys basketball 3A championship for the school in their history, and I'm very proud of you. Again, thank you and welcome to your Capitol." 10100036.docx 99 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019

William Davis (D)

"Representative Greenwood moves for the adoption of House Resolution 231. All those in favor say 'aye'; all those opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. And the Resolution is adopted. Representative Bailey, for what reason do you rise?"

Darren Bailey (R)

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I apologize but on the Bill 2838 I'd like the record to reflect a 'no' vote please. Thank you."

William Davis (D)

"The record will so reflect. Thank you. Continuing on Third Readings we have House Bill 3249, Representative Harris. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

Hollman

"House Bill 3249, a Bill for an Act to revise the law by combining multiple enactments and making technical corrections. Third Reading of this House Bill."

William Davis (D)

"Representative Harris."

Gregory Harris (D)

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This is the first 2019 General Revisory. This Bill goes back through the complied statues, updates changes, reformats and corrects errors for legislation dating from the 94th to 100th General Assembly. I'd be happy to answer any of your questions about any one of the 2,149 pages it contains."

William Davis (D)

"Seeing no discussion, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 3249 pass?' All those in favor vote 'yes'; all those opposed vote 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, 113 voting 'yes', 0 voting 'no', 0 voting 'present'. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 3659, Representative Kalish. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill." 10100036.docx 100 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019

Hollman

"House Bill 3659, a Bill for an Act concerning education. Third Reading of this House Bill."

Yehiel M. Kalish (D)

"Representative Kalish."

Yehiel M. Kalish (D)

"Thank you, Mr. Chair. This is a Bill that in a year after its effective date, a Charter School Board of Directors or other governing body must have a parent or guardian member; so therefore, the schools board has to have a parent or guardian member involved in the decision making. Additionally all voting board members must receive training to ensure members understand their roles and responsibilities. This is an initiative of the Illinois coalition of nonpublic schools. We really do not have serious opposition, and I would appreciate an 'aye' vote."

William Davis (D)

"Seeing no discussion, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 3659 pass?' All those in favor vote 'yes'; all those opposed vote 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Skillicorn. Sosnowski. Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, 111 voting 'yes', 0 voting 'no', 0 voting 'present'. And this Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 595, Representative Kifowit. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

Hollman

"House Bill 595, a Bill for an Act concerning health. Third Reading of House Bill."

William Davis (D)

"Representative Kifowit."

Stephanie A. Kifowit (D)

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This Bill is an initiative of a resident, what it does is add GAMT testing to the Newborn Metabolic Screening Act administered by the Department of Health." 10100036.docx 101 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019

William Davis (D)

"Representative Batinick."

Mark Batinick (R)

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

Mark Batinick (R)

"She indicates she will."

Mark Batinick (R)

"Representative, at first flesh here looks like not a huge Bill, but there is a 10-5 committee vote. Am I missing something? What was that objection in committee?"

Stephanie A. Kifowit (D)

"I've no idea. There was no debate, the vote just happened. So I have no idea. The cost of this is about 30 cents to the total cost of the test. So it's not a large cost either, I have no idea."

Darren Bailey (R)

"So this adds what to the testing? I passed a Bill like this last year. What testing does this add to the newborn training?"

Stephanie A. Kifowit (D)

"It's GAMT and I'm not really sure on the pronunciation of the medical term for that. So guanidinoacetate methyltransferase. It’s a… what it's a disease that if not caught in infancy then the child will need special needs the rest of its life. And so I have a resident whose child was not diagnosed with this until they were six. And he needs profound special needs assistance the rest of his life. They had a second child, it was diagnosed as a newborn and the child is a vibrant 10 year old. So the early the diagnosis of this in the newborn… in the infancy is so vital to the direction of the child's life."

Darren Bailey (R)

"I appreciate the answers clarifying that. I see it was a shell Bill. Thank you."

William Davis (D)

"Seeing no further debate, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 595 pass?' All those in favor vote 'yes'; all those vote 'no'… all those opposed vote 'no'. The voting is open. 10100036.docx 102 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019 Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Keicher. Wheeler. Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, 113 voting 'yes', 0 voting 'no', 0 voting 'present'. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 1444, Representative Mussman. I'm sorry, House Bill 1442 Representative Mussman. Out of the record. House Bill 3198, Representative Pappas. Representative Pappas. Out of the record. Would you like to call your Bill, Representative? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

Hollman

"House Bill 3198, a Bill for an Act concerning local government. Third Reading of this House Bill."

William Davis (D)

"Representative Pappas. No need to run, we'll wait.

Diane Pappas (D)

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This Bill is a Bill that allows non-Home Rule municipalities in DuPage County to use up to 25 percent of the monies collected under the sales tax for economic development and capital improvement projects from… until… for four years until January of 2023. And I ask for your 'aye' votes and open to any questions."

William Davis (D)

"Representative Batinick."

Mark Batinick (R)

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

William Davis (D)

"She indicates she will."

Mark Batinick (R)

"Representative, I'm reading the analysis of your Bill here. It allows the non-Home Rule municipalities in DuPage County to utilize 25 percent of the proceeds of the hotel operator's tax for economic development or capital infrastructure. So what you not doing here instituting a new tax, what you are doing is you're describing the ways in which an existing tax can be used, is that correct?" 10100036.docx 103 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019

Diane Pappas (D)

"That is correct."

Mark Batinick (R)

"Okay. What was the genesis of the Bill?"

Diane Pappas (D)

"It was a sponsor initiative."

Mark Batinick (R)

"Okay. The sponsor being…"

Diane Pappas (D)

"Municipal… non-Home Rule municipalities in DuPage County."

Mark Batinick (R)

"And why was it only for DuPage County and not statewide?"

Diane Pappas (D)

"Again, it’s the non-Home Rule municipalities in DuPage County that requested the Bill."

Mark Batinick (R)

"Okay. Is this your first Bill, Representative?"

Diane Pappas (D)

"Yes, it is."

Mark Batinick (R)

"It is your first Bill. Okay. Well, I think I'll sit back to the rest of the debate and see where it goes. Thank you."

Diane Pappas (D)

"Thank you very much."

William Davis (D)

"Representative Mazzochi, for what reason do you rise?"

Deanne M. Mazzochi (R)

"Just to the Bill."

William Davis (D)

"To the Bill."

Deanne M. Mazzochi (R)

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. HB3198 it is very DuPage centric, but I will also like to note that there are differences of opinion within DuPage County as to how this language is drafted and who is actually permitted to live by these rules. This is not necessarily something that has agreement within DuPage County. And frankly, until we are at a point where all of the municipalities as well as the local economic boards and the local chambers are actually… and the hotels are all on the same page I still think that this is 10100036.docx 104 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019 premature to actually bring the floor for a Bill. And for that reason I'm not sure I can support it today. Thank you."

William Davis (D)

"Representative Wehrli, for what reason do you rise?"

Grant Wehrli (R)

" Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

William Davis (D)

"She indicates that she will."

Grant Wehrli (R)

"So, there is some of descent in this Bill with some actual Home Rule communities that are a little concerned that this is just going to broaden the scope of what we can spend dollars on. Is there anything excluded from what these dollars can be spent on or is this just any capital improvement?"

Diane Pappas (D)

"It includes all capital improvement projects."

Grant Wehrli (R)

"So it could be something that has nothing to do with a hotel/motel industry or tourism or anything to promote business? It could be… if they need a new bridge they can take this money and spend it on that?"

Diane Pappas (D)

"That is correct. Although I would argue that a new bridge in town would in fact help the tourism industry, because it would help people get to the hotels."

Grant Wehrli (R)

"Well, okay. So that's a little bit of a legislative stretch, but I'll let that go. This is also your first Bill, is not?"

Diane Pappas (D)

"Yes, it is."

Grant Wehrli (R)

"So you said that’s its 25 non-Home Rule municipalities in DuPage County that this is applicable to, can you name them?"

Diane Pappas (D)

"I can name some of them. I don’t know that I can name all 25." 10100036.docx 105 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019

Grant Wehrli (R)

"Well, I think it's imperative on your first Bill that you have some depth of knowledge to what this Bill is applicable to and who is not applicable to."

Diane Pappas (D)

"Right. So I certainly name the non-Home Rule communities in my district, which are Itasca, Wood Dale, and Roselle. And in your district I believe its Warrenville, Lisle, Lombard."

Grant Wehrli (R)

"You know what, that's pretty good I'll let that go. Thank you. So to the Bill. There is some concern about this Bill from the Home Rule that it does open up a broad spectrum of spending of these dollars on pretty much anything instead of having a narrowly focused use of these dollars. So there is some concern with this Bill. And I appreciate you bringing this Bill forward, but I'm not sure I can support at this point in time."

Diane Pappas (D)

"Thank you."

William Davis (D)

"Representative Willis, for what reason do you rise? Willis "Will the Sponsor yield, please?"

William Davis (D)

"She indicates she will."

Kathleen Willis (D)

"Thank you. This Bill is not preventing Home Rule communities they already have that flexibility, is that not correct?"

Diane Pappas (D)

"That is correct."

Kathleen Willis (D)

"So what you're doing and you're not mandating that they take 25 percent of that tax and put into capital, you're just giving them that flexibility, is that not correct?"

Diane Pappas (D)

"That is correct. There's no mandate. It's up to 25 percent."

Kathleen Willis (D)

"Right." 10100036.docx 106 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019

Diane Pappas (D)

"There's no mandate that any of it be used for any other purposes."

Kathleen Willis (D)

"And that actually from my understanding talking to you previously about this Bill, it comes from one of your towns, and I believe it's Itasca that has quite a number of hotels in that community. And has not… because of it they had to almost waste some of this tax money on something that many people would might say is frivolous, but certainly being in a neighboring town I support it. They have one of the best fireworks displays in the whole DuPage County. But in…"

Diane Pappas (D)

"In the Chicagoland area the number one… the biggest fireworks display in the Chicagoland area."

Kathleen Willis (D)

"It is, and I actually can see it from the roof of my house. So I appreciate that. But one of the things that does give a town like Itasca, it gives them some flexibility so they can upgrade their roads if they need to. They could put in some additional infrastructure that might be necessary as we have all these tourists that are coming to the hotels to be able to do it. I think this is a good Bill. This is a Bill that I often hear my colleagues from the other side of the aisle holler for, more flexibility. We want to be able to have more flexibility on what to do with these funds and this money. I commend you for having this not only as your first Bill, but I think it’s a darn good first Bill. And I wholeheartedly support it. And urge the rest of this Body to vote 'aye' on it. Thank you."

Diane Pappas (D)

"Thank you so much."

William Davis (D)

"Representative McCombie, for what reason do your rise?" 10100036.docx 107 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019

Tony McCombie (R)

"Thank you, Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

William Davis (D)

"She indicates she will."

Tony McCombie (R)

"Thank you. As a firm believer in how hotel/motel dollars are taxed to put heads in beds or how it's spent. So does this automatically, it says permit the non-Home Rule municipality. So will they have to go before there county boards to actually pass an ordinance to go ahead or is this just automatically going to happen?"

Diane Pappas (D)

"I believe it's… it's automatic."

Tony McCombie (R)

"So have you heard anything from your chambers or your CDB's on how they feel about this? Because… the reason I ask that is because over the years the funds have been decreased to help market municipalities and functions like fireworks, different things that bring visitors to communities. Those dollars have been cut substantially by the state, and I believe and I may be wrong, around $60 million was cut again in proposed budget that we're seeing possibly from the Governor. So how do they feel about their funds being yet decreased again by another 25 percent?"

Diane Pappas (D)

"So I'm not aware of… that there's any opposition to this Bill. I have not heard from anyone who's opposing this Bill. I have spoken… the DuPage County Mayors are actually in behind the Bill. And I have spoken with the DuPage Tourism Bureau and they are neutral, so…"

Tony McCombie (R)

"Okay. That just surprises me a little bit. So I thank you, appreciate it."

William Davis (D)

"Representative Stava-Murray, for what reason do you rise?"

Anne Stava-Murray (D)

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?" 10100036.docx 108 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019

William Davis (D)

"She indicates she will."

Anne Stava-Murray (D)

"So, to the Bill. I just wanted to thank Representative Pappas for bringing this forward. As a fellow Representative of the Lisle area, I know that it was a big deal to have this Bill brought forward and for anyone else. As you've said so clearly this was an initiative, a bi- partisan initiative in the area that's well supported by those who have interest in it. So I encourage those both across and on our aisle to vote 'yay'."

William Davis (D)

Speaker Davis: "Seeing no further discussion, Representative Pappas to close."

Diane Pappas (D)

"Thank you. This Bill gives flexibility to the non-Home Rule communities in DuPage County to do some economic development and perform some capitol infrastructure projects without having to raise property taxes. I believe… again there are no opponents to this Bill and I would encourage everyone for an 'aye' vote."

William Davis (D)

"And the question is, 'Shall House Bill 3198 pass?' All those in favor vote 'yes'; all those opposed vote 'no'. The vote is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Bailey. Bradley. Butler. Hammond. Parkhurst. Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, 95 voting 'yes', 15 voting 'no', 1 voting 'present'. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 2830, Representative Stava-Murray. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

Hollman

"House Bill 2830, a Bill for an Act concerning employment. Third Reading of this House Bill."

William Davis (D)

"Representative Stava-Murray." 10100036.docx 109 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019

Anne Stava-Murray (D)

"So HB2830 is a Bill that helps parents and particularly working parents, and specifically even further, working parents who might have a child with special needs or additional need to meet with the school. So currently in Illinois State Law we only allow parents a total of 8 hours with a job protective leave for school conferences or something similar. So this simply states that a person cannot be fired due to… if there absence is due to the employees' attendance of a school conference or behavioral meeting or academic meeting. And that language we made very specific through the use of an Amendment to make sure that this isn't broadly applicable to volleyball games or soccer or anything like that. This is simply about parents having the ability to be present, and it's not mandated in any way that this would be paid leave of any kind, simply that they can't be fired for doing their job as a parent."

William Davis (D)

"Representative Carroll, for what reason do you rise?"

Jonathan Carroll (D)

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Would the Sponsor yield?"

William Davis (D)

"She indicates she will."

Jonathan Carroll (D)

"Great. Just a couple questions for you, why did you bring this Bill forward?"

Anne Stava-Murray (D)

"So this was actually an initiative… I was looking at Bills pertaining to parents and I happened to come across this. And I realized how stringent the current Illinois law was. And as you think about sort of the typical child versus the non-typical child and what the needs of the non-typical child are. Wanting to make sure that those who are in an area 10100036.docx 110 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019 where they have the most need in terms of parental support can have that."

Jonathan Carroll (D)

"Right. To the Bill. Fantastic piece of legislation. As a formal special education teacher I can telling you getting parents to attend meetings was one of the difficult challenges that we had because meetings are generally offered during the school day. And when you have lower income families that are working and can't get away from work for these meetings, they're essential. So I applaud the Representative for bringing this Bill forward. And I encourage an 'aye' vote. Thank you."

William Davis (D)

"Representative Stava-Murray to close."

Anne Stava-Murray (D)

"I encourage everyone to have an 'aye' vote. And I make sure that it was very specific so hopefully those across the aisle can join us in this 'aye' vote."

William Davis (D)

"Seeing no further discussion, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 2830 pass?' All those in favor vote 'yes'; all those opposed vote 'no'. The vote is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Davidsmeyer. DeLuca. Mah. Morrison. Sommer. Wehrli. Mr. Clerk, take the record. With 105 voting 'yes', 5 voting 'no', and 0 voting 'present', and this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 3509, Representative Stuart. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

Bolin

"House Bill 3509, a Bill for an Act concerning regulation. Third Reading of this House Bill."

William Davis (D)

"Representative Stuart." 10100036.docx 111 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019

Katie Stuart (D)

"Thank you. House Bill 3509 simply requires health insurance… health insurers to provide coverage for pasteurized human breast milk and milk fortifiers in instances of medical necessity. The American Academy of Pediatrics recommends breast milk is the sole source of food for all newborns up to six months of age. But for a range of reason not all mothers can provide the milk that’s necessary. And this Bill would help those families and not make cost a prohibitive factor."

William Davis (D)

"Seeing no discussion… Representative Hammond, for what reason do you rise?"

Norine K. Hammond (R)

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

William Davis (D)

"She indicates she will."

Norine K. Hammond (R)

"Representative Stuart, thank you very much for bringing this Bill forward. And I know there was discussion in committee and you had indicated that you were going to make some changes when the Bill went to the Senate. Is that still correct?"

Katie Stuart (D)

"Yes, that is correct. I do have agreed language that helps narrowly define the Bill that the insurance industry is happy with and that also preserves the intent of the Bill. And that will be added in the Senate and brought back here."

Norine K. Hammond (R)

"And thank you very much for making that accommodation. Thanks."

Katie Stuart (D)

"Thank you for helping me making it a better Bill."

Norine K. Hammond (R)

"You bet."

William Davis (D)

"Representative Stuart to close."

Katie Stuart (D)

"I encourage an 'aye' vote." 10100036.docx 112 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019

William Davis (D)

"Seeing no further discussion, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 3509 pass?' All those in favor vote 'yes'; all those opposed vote 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, 111 voting 'yes', 0 voting 'no', 0 voting 'present'. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 3405, Representative Villa. Out the record. House Bill 71, Representative West. Representative West on House Bill 71. Do you wish to call it? Out of the record. Representative 36… excuse me, House Bill 3663, Representative Ammons. Mr. Clerk, please read the Bill."

Bolin

"House Bill 3663, a Bill for an Act concerning business. Third Reading of this House Bill."

William Davis (D)

"Representative Ammons."

Carol Ammons (D)

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. House Bill 3663 is the Cooperative Extension Workers Bill. This Bill would simply extend current State Law that covers worker co-ops and provide for access to resources, provide for recognition as a business similar to an LLC and allow workers to get greater connectivity in their communities joining worker co-ops and providing for its own economic stability and self-sufficiency. And this Bill moved unanimously out of committee. And we ask for an 'aye' vote."

William Davis (D)

"Seeing no discussion, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 3663 pass?' All those in favor vote 'yes'; all those opposed vote 'no'. The vote is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, 10100036.docx 113 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019 take the record. On this question, 112 voting 'yes', 0 voting 'no', 0 voting 'present'. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 2334, Representative Sosnowski. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

Bolin

"House Bill 2334, a Bill for an Act concerning courts. Third Reading of this House Bill."

William Davis (D)

"Representative Sosnowski."

Joe Sosnowski (R)

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise today on House Bill 2334, which seeks to undue something that the Legislature did many decades ago, an overreaction to a terrible situation that happen in which a couple left young children at home on their own for well over a week awhile they traveled out of the country. But as we've studied this Bill and looked at over the last couple of years, we're the only state in the nation that sets a home alone or babysitting age at 14 and over. Again, we're the only state. So this would seek to bring us more in line with what other states allow in regards to a child being left home alone, again at the parent's discretion. This would simply bring us in line with many other states. Many states have ages less than what's proposed in this change to legislation. But this will set the age at 12 years of age and then this also seeks to clarify a couple other things within the legislation as far what it means to be neglectful. I'm certainly available for any questions. Thank you for your time."

William Davis (D)

"On that question, Representative Villa."

Karina Villa (D)

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

William Davis (D)

"He indicates he will." 10100036.docx 114 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019

Karina Villa (D)

"So… how long will a parent be allowed to leave their child home alone under this Bill?"

Joe Sosnowski (R)

"Well as you probably know there's a lot of conditions within statute in regards to what neglect means: condition of the home, length of time, whose there, how many children are left. So there's many other things within statute offer protections for local police, local state's attorneys to enforce other areas of neglect, including danger in the household, those types of things. So this is really left at the discretion of the parents for after this age, but again there's a multitude other things that if there are dangers or other things associated with issues in the household that if there were truly a problem that rises to an issue where there's is a report by a neighbor or law enforcement. There are other ways that local state's attorneys could charge a person with neglect. But again, this empowers parents and really it allows parents not to be caught in a situation in which their child maybe left school is home by themselves for 45 minutes before mom and dad gets home from work. And they could potentially under current State Law be charged if your child is 13 years of age. And we need the kind of… I think the best thing we can do is eliminate that danger for parents, give some practical assurance to working families and allow them to make that decision whether or not their child is mature enough to be on their own." Villa: "So I absolutely agree with you that we need to protect the working families from even over the summer right. Like if a family is working and their 13 year old has the ability to stay home for a few amount of hours while the parent is 10100036.docx 115 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019 working, I think that that's reasonable. But what about the parents who'd be gone for entire an weekend or for… you know, to go to spring break for a week and they leave home a 13 year old child? Where… what do you think about that?"

Joe Sosnowski (R)

"Yeah and again, that’s what I kind of alluded to in my opening comments. You know many decades ago there was a case of St. Charles family where they were gone for a week and it was a 10 year old and a 4 year old. Obviously that’s… wouldn't even be within the change here, but you know again there's other statutes that allow for practical enforcement. You know if two 12 year olds or two 13 year olds are left for a week on their own, no food… there's other areas within statutes that allow for neglect or charges to be brought about by police and local state's attorneys."

Karina Villa (D)

"I do understand where you're going with this Bill. I think that we have to be very careful about voting 'yes' on this. I worked in a middle school for many years, and leaving home 13 year olds for an extended period of time, I don’t think necessarily think is very good idea. They're not developmentally ready for that kind of responsibility. This is… I'm wondering where the NESW stands on this?"

Joe Sosnowski (R)

"I don’t know of any opposition at this time that has been brought to me. We've worked on this legislation for two years. There were some modifications made from last year's version, but at this time nobody has summited in any opposition. This passed out of committee unanimously with no opposition and no testimony against the Bill. And as I mentioned, every other state in the nation is 12 years or less, some are 10. Some actually set it as low as 6 or 8, I'm 10100036.docx 116 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019 not advocating for that in any way. Some don’t set an age at all. And the reason they don’t is because like us they have other items in statute that define conditions of neglect in which local law enforcement can step in. So we're really just taking out that age factor, we're not changing anything else. So we're offering protections for families for 12 and 13 year olds but they're still a multitude of other protections for children left alone for periods of time or in dangerous situations."

Karina Villa (D)

"It's just that… that it's kind of like open in terms of how long they can leave the child home for. That's the thing that's the most concerning to me. I do agree with you that we should be protecting families especially if they're just going to leave the child home like latchkey kids. I was left alone over the summer as well. You know I do think that we do need to make sure to protect those families, I just think that… I'm really concern about the extended period of time or even 13 year olds who have developmental disability or anything else. I do think that the Bill does speak to that if the child is capable of… is capable of making those more mature, I think the Bill does speak to that, but it's just the extended length of time that would be my only concern. But thank you."

Joe Sosnowski (R)

"I absolutely agree. And I believe we're covered in current statute even with this change."

William Davis (D)

"Representative Scherer, for what reason do you rise?"

Sue Scherer (D)

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a couple questions. I like the content of this Bill but just…" 10100036.docx 117 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019

William Davis (D)

"He indicates he will yield."

Sue Scherer (D)

"Okay. If you will help me understand some parts. What if a child is under 12 years old? Is… from the way our analysis reads, are they… if they're mature then it's okay? Or do they have to be 12 no matter what?"

Joe Sosnowski (R)

"As with current State Law right now, technically, if a 13… a 12 or 13 year old is left, the age alone could be a trigger for arrest or possible prosecution. So this changes it and gives little more safeguard to families. But there could still be issues with under 12 and that’s why I said you know some states that don’t have any age all because they use our other conditions within statute to protect students in neglectful or… children in neglectful situations, but we were careful we don’t want to go too far. We we're making a change that's been in law for many decades. So we wanted to move it a little bit, we wanted to kind of be in the middle of what other states are doing. And so that’s why we recommended 12 years of age rather than 14 to kind of bring us in line with what other states has set forth in statute."

Sue Scherer (D)

"Okay. So even if the child is very mature and so forth, the mom runs to the store, the child's 11, the mom could be held for neglect in that case?"

Joe Sosnowski (R)

"There is a potential for that. And as we probably have all seen, depending how municipalities and maybe overzealous law enforcements, there's been issues that just recently in the press where a child was walking a dog at 8 years of age around the block and the parents were cited. Now the state's attorney ended up not prosecuting charges in that regard. You know, so what we're really doing is setting forth a better 10100036.docx 118 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019 standard, protecting parents with law enforcement and trying to be more practical on how we do that. Now in that particular case if an individual parent, you know, and I'm not advocating for that, but in that particular case of an 11 year old it's going to be obviously we can't enforce everything, it's at the parents discretion. But you know there could be danger if law enforcement or a neighbor made a complaint, there could be an issue there."

Sue Scherer (D)

"So what is the punishment then?"

Joe Sosnowski (R)

"So a report could be made to DCFS. There could be… they'd have to go to Juvenile Court potentially if charges are brought forward. I'm being told that it could be as much as a Class A misdemeanor."

Sue Scherer (D)

"Okay. Well thank you for moving in the right direction, appreciate it."

Joe Sosnowski (R)

"Thank you for your support."

William Davis (D)

"Representative Kifowit, for what reason do you rise?"

Stephanie A. Kifowit (D)

"Will the Sponsor yield?"

William Davis (D)

"He indicates he will."

Stephanie A. Kifowit (D)

"Representative, I appreciate you bringing this Bill. I have a quick question with regards to just the implementation of this Bill, because we lived on the Eastside of Aurora for a long time. And it's a walkable community which means the elementary schools don’t qualify for buses. So there's a lot of elementary school children walking home from school and as I read the Bill if they're under 12 are they supposed be supervised? Because these are third graders, fourth graders, 10100036.docx 119 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019 children that are under 12. So current law would then that be an infringement?" Sosnowski: "Actually we clarify that in this particular legislation to exempt exactly that because that was not clarified previously in legislation."

Stephanie A. Kifowit (D)

"But is it clarified for those 12 and only… and over can only walk home from school and it still allows for an infringement if there under 12? That’s what I'm trying to clarify because a lot of kids walk, my kids walked home from school, and I'm just trying to clarify the Bill."

Joe Sosnowski (R)

"Yes and I apologize, I slightly misstated. So, it clarifies neglect so that for all cases of any age walking to and from school cannot be considered neglect."

Stephanie A. Kifowit (D)

"Okay. Thank you for clarifying."

Joe Sosnowski (R)

"Sure."

Stephanie A. Kifowit (D)

"Our analysis was not clear on that. So I appreciate you clarifying that."

William Davis (D)

Representative Sosnowski to close."

Joe Sosnowski (R)

"I ask for an 'aye' vote. Thank you."

William Davis (D)

"And the question is, 'Shall House Bill 2334 pass?' All those in favor vote 'yes'; all those opposed vote 'no'. And the vote is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Buckner. Ramirez. Tarver. Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, 111 voting 'yes', 1 voting 'no', 0 voting 'present'. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 26, Representative Thapedi. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill." 10100036.docx 120 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019

Bolin

Clerk Bolin: "House Bill 26, a Bill for an Act concerning education. Third Reading of this House Bill."

William Davis (D)

"Representative Thapedi."

André Thapedi (D)

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 26 is a follow-up on to something that I've been working on for a couple of years. This is the top 10 percent Bill. The aim of the Bill is to further diversify our universities and to retain our best and our brightest students here in the State of Illinois. I'm available to answer any and all questions."

William Davis (D)

"Representative Wehrli, for what reason do you rise?"

Grant Wehrli (R)

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

William Davis (D)

"He indicates he will.

Grant Wehrli (R)

"Thank you. Is there any fiscal impact to any of these universities…"

André Thapedi (D)

"No."

Grant Wehrli (R)

"…deferred costs or anything like that?"

André Thapedi (D)

"No."

Grant Wehrli (R)

"So this is just if you're in the top 10 percent you get admitted?"

André Thapedi (D)

"Yes, Sir."

Grant Wehrli (R)

"I appreciate that. Thank you."

William Davis (D)

"I'm sorry, Representative, did you finish your statement? Thank you. Representative Keicher."

Jeff Keicher (R)

"Representative, thank you for bringing this idea to the floor. I apologize that I walked in a little bit late. Were you able to recap some of the discussion we had after the 10100036.docx 121 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019 initial committee presentation about how we refine this Bill?"

André Thapedi (D)

"I don’t think I understand your question?"

Jeff Keicher (R)

"Where we were looking more at the directional universities and starting this as a pilot?"

André Thapedi (D)

"Yes. Well, really didn’t have much of an option. The Bill was actually designed to further diversify all of our universities, but upon a very brutal debate last year, it's pretty clear that the University of Illinois at Champaign has no desire to further diversify its student body. The Bill was actually prompted by the stats which show that University of Illinois at Champaign only has 5 percent African-Americans. And they were aggressively opposed to this Bill and any efforts to further diversify the university. So for that reason, we took those universities that were interested in retaining our best and our brightest students, and they in fact will be participating in the pilot program. And so all of you of folks that are fans of the U of I they will not be involved in the program."

Jeff Keicher (R)

"I just want to thank you, Representative, for modifying the Bill and putting it so we can give it a test float and see what its helps with our other public universities. Thank you."

Grant Wehrli (R)

"Thank you."

William Davis (D)

"Representative Hammond, for what reason do you rise?"

Norine K. Hammond (R)

"To the Bill, Mr. Speaker. I want to thank the Sponsor of this Bill. He has worked long and hard for a number of years on this initiative and also has compromised I believe to the 10100036.docx 122 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019 upmost on what we have here as a final product. So I think it’s a good Bill. And I thank the Sponsor for bringing it forward."

William Davis (D)

"Representative Mazzochi, for what reason do you rise?"

Deanne M. Mazzochi (R)

"To the Bill. Thank you. I also want to thank the Sponsor for bringing this Bill forward because in our district we also have students who wind up being discriminated against because they wind up being on the higher end of the ACT score. And I firmly believe that having this approach of the top 10 percent of all high schools gaining admission to our schools is going to make sure that we are in fact holding on to the best and the brightest, that they do have an opportunity to use our public universities. And I am also quite saddened that U of I chose not to participate in this program. I encourage an 'aye' vote."

William Davis (D)

Speaker Davis: "Seeing no further discussion, Representative Thapedi to close."

André Thapedi (D)

"I ask for an 'aye' vote. And as you've heard… and I do want to thank the Sponsors that have joined me on this initiative, that while I would have like to seeing the University of Illinois actually participating, because in light of the Supreme Court decision for Fisher v. the University of Texas, which is the 2013 and 2016 decision, it was clear to me that this Bill was specifically designed to address the rights that need to be made at the University of Illinois at Champaign. But I urge an 'aye' vote."

William Davis (D)

"And the question is, 'Shall House Bill 26 pass?' All those in favor vote 'yes'; all those opposed vote 'no'. 10100036.docx 123 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019 The vote is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Representative Ford. Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, 112 voting 'yes', 0 voting 'no', 0 voting 'present'. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Demmer, for what reason do you rise?"

Tom Demmer (R)

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. A point of personal privilege."

William Davis (D)

"Please state your point."

Tom Demmer (R)

"Members, might notice today in the rotunda the Illinois Hospital Association has a number of posters from hospitals across the state talking about various quality initiatives that hospitals have led to improve patient outcomes and improve the health and lifestyle for people across of Illinois. Today I'd just like to welcome a couple of folks from my district from Katherine Shaw Bethea Hospital, Linda Clemen and Hilary Thomas are here. They were very involved in doing this patient quality work and we just want to give them a warm welcome to Springfield. Thank you."

William Davis (D)

"Continuing on the priority list, we have House Bill 2408, Representative Bourne. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

Bolin

"House Bill 2408, a Bill for an Act concerning civil law. Third Reading of this House Bill."

William Davis (D)

"Representative Bourne."

Avery Bourne (R)

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I rise on House Bill 2408. It was a constituent request, currently in law it is illegal to post private compromising or sexually explicit images but there is no part of law that allows for the removal of those. This Bill simply allows for a court order to have those images 10100036.docx 124 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019 taken down prior to the full court proceeding. I'd be happy to take any questions, and I ask for an 'aye' vote."

William Davis (D)

"Seeing debate, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 2408 pass?' All those in favor vote 'yes'; all those opposed vote 'no'. The vote is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, 112 voting 'yes', 0 voting 'no', 0 voting 'present'. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 2087, Representative Carroll. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

Bolin

"House Bill 2087, a Bill for an Act concerning education. Third Reading of this House Bill."

William Davis (D)

"Representative Carroll."

Jonathan Carroll (D)

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the Chamber. This is a Bill that helps create virtual drivers education classes for distance learning for some of the smaller districts that don’t have the resources this offers them that opportunity. And I ask for a 'yay' vote."

William Davis (D)

"Representative Wehrli, for what reason do you rise?"

Grant Wehrli (R)

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield?"

William Davis (D)

"Indicates he will."

Grant Wehrli (R)

"So if this person is a third-party contractor, do they have to meet the requirements as we passed in a previous Bill?"

Jonathan Carroll (D)

"Well, if it gets to the Senate and it gets to the Governor's desk and he signs it then the answer would be, yes."

Grant Wehrli (R)

"So do you know where the Governor is on this Bill?" 10100036.docx 125 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019

Jonathan Carroll (D)

"I do not."

Grant Wehrli (R)

"Do you know where the Secretary of State is on this Bill?"

Jonathan Carroll (D)

"On this particular Bill or the one from yesterday?"

Grant Wehrli (R)

"No, this Bill."

Jonathan Carroll (D)

"I don’t see any opposition."

Grant Wehrli (R)

"Okay. Our analysis says you're going to hold this on Second and work with the opposition. Did you clarify that up, are we clear?"

Jonathan Carroll (D)

"I think we did that all ready. I think we amended the Bill for it."

Grant Wehrli (R)

"You think we did that or did amend it to address it?"

Jonathan Carroll (D)

"We did amend it to address it."

Grant Wehrli (R)

"Thank you."

William Davis (D)

"Representative Carroll to close."

Jonathan Carroll (D)

"I ask for 'yay' vote."

William Davis (D)

"Seeing no further discussion, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 2087 pass?' All those in favor vote 'yes'; all opposed vote 'no'. And the voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Conner. Flowers. Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, 113 voting 'yes', 0 voting 'no', 0 voting 'present'. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 2729, Representative Didech. Out of the record. House Bill 3105, Representative Edly-Allen. Out of the record. House Bill 2287, Representative Gabel. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

Bolin

"House Bill 2287, a Bill for an Act concerning civil law. Third Reading of this House Bill."

William Davis (D)

"Representative Gabel." 10100036.docx 126 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019

Robyn Gabel (D)

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This Bill came out of committee with bi-partisan support. What it is does is it… updates the Civil Code. So in the 1999 General… in the 99th General Assembly, we updated the Criminal Code to extend criminal statute of limitations for certain kinds of crimes, but we didn’t update the Civil Code. And I had a constituent who wanted to file a civil suit but couldn't. So this Bill will extend the civil statute of limitations three years beyond the criminal statute of limitations so that civil actions can be pursued after or in case of a criminal case doesn't work. I appreciate an 'aye' vote."

William Davis (D)

"Representative McDermed, for what reason do you rise?"

Margo McDermed (R)

"Thank you. I have a question if the Sponsor will yield?"

William Davis (D)

"The Sponsor says she will."

Margo McDermed (R)

"So I just want to clarify for everybody in the room that what we're doing here is changing the Code of Civil Procedure to catch up with some changes we previously made in a the Code of Criminal Procedure?"

Robyn Gabel (D)

"Correct."

Margo McDermed (R)

"And this is an agreed Bill that came out of Jud Civil, correct?"

Robyn Gabel (D)

"Correct."

Margo McDermed (R)

"I urge an 'aye' vote."

Robyn Gabel (D)

"Thank you."

William Davis (D)

"Representative Gabel to close."

Robyn Gabel (D)

"I urge an 'aye' vote."

William Davis (D)

"Seeing no further discussion, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 2287 pass?' All those in favor vote 'yes'; 10100036.docx 127 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019 all those opposed vote 'no'. The vote is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Walker. Mr. Clerk, take the record. 113 voting 'yes', 0 voting 'no', 0 voting 'present', and this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 2618, Representative Kifowit. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

Bolin

"House Bill 2618, a Bill for an Act concerning transportation. Third Reading of this House Bill."

William Davis (D)

"Representative Kifowit."

Stephanie A. Kifowit (D)

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This is a simple Bill that recognizes our National Guard Members, who may have served in the National Guard in a different state, and this allows them if they relocate to Illinois to get a National Guard license plate. It’s an initiative of the Secretary of State."

William Davis (D)

"Seeing no discussion, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 2618 pass?' All those in favor vote 'yes'; all those opposed vote 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Hammond. Barbara Hernandez. Keicher. Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, 113 voting 'yes', 0 voting 'no', 0 voting 'present'. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 1438, Representative Mussman. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

Bolin

"House Bill 1438, a Bill for an Act concerning regulation. Third Reading of this House Bill."

William Davis (D)

"Representative Mussman."

Michelle Mussman (D)

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. I'm here on House Bill 1438, which amends the Pawnbrokers Regulation 10100036.docx 128 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019 Act by adding clarifying language in the section of the existing statute, which states that in a situation where an item can be proved to be stolen and rightful owner identified the item in question will be returned at no cost to the victim of the theft. This language simply affirms the intent of original statute first passed back in the 84th General Assembly. Many of you will know that we have worked on this language over the course of the last couple of years now in an attempt to find agreed language and find a balance between what law enforcement considers the original intent of the statute, which is to protect the victim of the crime, and also serve as deterrent to pawnbrokers for making risky purchases from sellers and pawnbrokers becoming the victim of crimes also. Pawnbrokers have brought up some concerns that they feel exposed to buyers and sellers who maybe working in concert to defraud a pawnbroker. One acts as the victim and the other has the property return at no cost then chooses not press charges or provide enough evidence can't be raised to prove the case, the seller then walks off with the money. The pawnbrokers believe that they have paid in good faith, law enforcement believes the existing the law already offers them protection, the so called victim now becomes the offender who can be arrested for disorderly conduct for filing a false police report. And the seller can be arrested for theft, because they use the deception in obtaining the money from the pawnbrokers. The pawnbrokers also have civil remedies to go after such people. Again the goal of the Bill is to simply clarify not change the original intent of the statute. And I am happy to answer any questions." 10100036.docx 129 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019

William Davis (D)

"Seeing no discussion, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 1438 pass?' All those in favor vote 'yes'; all those opposed vote 'no'. And the voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Barbara Hernandez. Representative Rita. Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, 113 voting 'yes', 0 voting 'no', 0 voting 'present'. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 3148, Representative Halbrook. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

Bolin

"House Bill 1438, a Bill for an Act concerning regulation. Third Reading for this House Bill."

William Davis (D)

"Representative Halbrook."

Brad Halbrook (R)

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 3148 creates the Local Appointed Official Removal Act to provide any person that’s been appointed to and appointed board of a local union government may be removed for misconduct, official misconduct, or neglect of office. This adds to what we did to the 911 boards a few years ago and the water district just as of last year. I know of no opposition and urge a 'yes' vote. Thank you."

William Davis (D)

"Seeing no further discussion, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 3148 pass?' All those in favor vote 'yes'; all those opposed vote 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Representative Hoffman. Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, 112 voting 'yes', 0 voting 'no', 0 voting 'present'. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 2078, 10100036.docx 130 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019 Representative Stuart. Out of the record. House Bill 3653, Representative Tarver. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

Bolin

"House Bill 3653, a Bill for an Act concerning criminal law. Third Reading for this House Bill."

William Davis (D)

"Representative Tarver."

Curtis J. Tarver II (D)

"Mr. Speaker, this Bill is relatively straight forward. It requires the Department of corrections 45 days before a committed person leaves prison to notify them about their right to vote upon completion of their sentence. It also requires that they're provided voter registration information as well. I would ask for an 'aye' vote."

William Davis (D)

"Seeing no discussion, and the question is, Shall House Bill 3653 pass?' All those in favor vote 'yes'; all those opposed vote 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Batinick. Davidsmeyer. Mazzochi. Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, 111 voting 'yes', 0 voting 'no', 0 voting 'present'. And this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Representative Unes, for what reason do you rise?"

Michael D. Unes (R)

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise on a point of personal privilege."

William Davis (D)

"Please state your point."

Michael D. Unes (R)

"Ladies and Gentlemen and Mr. Speaker, behind me and above we have a group of students visiting from Pekin High School, with Colleen Kahl. But also with Colleen Kahl and the students are two foreign exchange teachers visiting the State of Illinois and teaching in the United States through a foreign exchange teacher program. And they just arrived last week and 10100036.docx 131 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019 are here in the State Capitol for the first time and I'd like to ask the Body to give them warm Springfield welcome."

William Davis (D)

Speaker Davis: "Thank you for visiting. House Bill 3608, Representative Sosnowski. Out of the record. On page 29 of the Calendar under Resolutions, we have House Resolution 237, Representative Evans. Representative Evans on the Resolution."

Marcus C. Evans Jr. (D)

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. If I can get the Body's attention for a moment. We've suffered a lot losses with regards to our public servants. I just want to take a moment to honor and send a message back to my district, back to the community of Hegewisch, Eastside community on the southeast side. To let them know and let the family of John P. Rivera know, a Chicago Police Officer was 23 years old and was enjoying his time off, and you know as police officers rarely get time off. They work very hard in Chicago on those busy streets. And the 6th District Police Department one of the busiest districts, a training district. He was a young man who went to academy and was destined for greatness. And unfortunately someone else decided to take action and take his life. And I believe in God, but its moments like this that really test your faith because this young man was destined for greatness. A young police officer, a young man that was representing our community properly, a leader and his life was taken. It wasn’t taken in vain. I would express to his family that not only am I praying for them that my colleagues are thinking about him and we're going to file this Resolution to send a message to him and to all that his memory will live on, and he'll inspire other young people to be police officers and to 10100036.docx 132 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019 protect and serve our community. So to the Chicago Police Office and the former and current police officers, the Illinois General Assembly, my community, my family we're praying for you on these busy streets. And we want nothing but the best for you. We appreciate you and that’s reflected in this Resolution. So I would ask for you to support this Resolution. And I want to do roll call and to send a message that we praying for you and we're with the family of John P. Rivera. So thank you."

William Davis (D)

"Representative Evans moves for adoption of House Resolution 237 and has requested a roll call vote. Mr. Clerk. All those in favor vote 'yes'; all those opposed vote 'no'. In the… and the vote is open. Have all those voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. The Resolution, there are 113 Members voting 'yes', 0 voting 'no', 0 voting 'present'. And the Resolution is adopted. Representative Butler, for what reason do you rise?"

Tim Butler (R)

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Point of personal privilege."

William Davis (D)

"Please state your point."

Tim Butler (R)

"I just would like to rise as a reminder for all our colleagues to hopefully participate in next Tuesday's Diabetes Caucus Bowling event at Strick N Spare West. You've heard about it several times now from Representative Davis and myself and Leader Durkin. This is a great annual event that raises great money for children with Diabetes and I would urge you to participate. I have forms here on my desk, I know Representative Davis does as well. I have forms in office at E-1 Stratton if you'd like to stop by there. So please 10100036.docx 133 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019 participate, get your team together and if you have any questions talk to myself or Representative Davis. We're happy to help and we'll see you next Tuesday."

William Davis (D)

"Representative Caulkins, for what reason do you rise?"

Dan Caulkins (R)

"A point of personal privilege, please."

William Davis (D)

"Please state your point."

Dan Caulkins (R)

"Ladies and Gentlemen, in keeping with seed day, thank you very much Representative Pappas. Today we're going to honor the corn growers of Illinois… they're here on campus. And so, the seed for today is of course the corn seed. And I'd like to point out a few quick facts about corn in Illinois. We plant 12… over and 12 and a half million acres of corn are planted it in Illinois each year. That’s equivalent to 2 billion bushels of corn. And I want to tell you one bushel of corn weighs about 56 pounds. So that’s a hundred and twelve billion pounds of corn produced in Illinois every year. Corn farms in Illinois comprise… there are about 38,300 corn farms or farms that plant corn and 95 percent of the farms in America… corn farms in America are family owned. There over 4 thousand uses for corn ranging from livestock feed, and ethanol, obviously corn bread, soda, latex paint and even in diapers. Forty three percent of the corn crop was consumed by livestock, primarily beef cattle, poultry and hogs. And we always promote Illinois Beef. If you look at an ear of corn there are about 8 hundred kernels of corn on one ear, there are 72,800 kernels of corn in a bushel and about 162 bushels per acre is the average production in Illinois. 10100036.docx 134 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019 So today I rise to speak about the seed of the day. Again, thank you Representative Pappas. The Corn Seed."

William Davis (D)

"Representative Halbrook, for what reason do you rise?"

Brad Halbrook (R)

"Point of personal privilege, please Mr. Speaker."

William Davis (D)

"Please state your point."

Brad Halbrook (R)

"Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, if I can have your attention please. We have quite a celebrity in the House today. Behind me to my left is Grace Khachaturian. She's a 21 year old from Champaign, the daughter of Steve and Janet Khachaturian. She was selected as Miss Illinois in 2018… Miss Illinois 2018 on June the 9th at the Cultural & Civic Center in Marion, Illinois. She represented the Illinois of the 2019 of the Miss America Competition in Atlantic City which was televised on ABC. Grace is earning a Bachelor's Degree in Journalism and Communication at the University of Illinois. And after completing her year of service as Miss Illinois, she looks forward to finishing her degree and one day aspires to be a writer. She has special interest in writing material for adolescence who may feel alienated from their peers, family, and society. She travels the state discussing her personal platform of 'You Matter', promoting positive mental health in youth and serving as a goodwill ambassador for Children's Miracle Network Hospital, the official platform of the Miss America organization. Please let's give her warm Springfield welcome, again to Miss Illinois."

William Davis (D)

"On page 29 of the Calendar under the Order of Agreed Resolutions, we have House Resolution 200, offered by 10100036.docx 135 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019 Speaker Madigan. Representative Hoffman on the Resolution. I'm sorry. Mr. Clerk, please read the Resolution."

Hollman

"House Resolution 200, offered by Speaker Madigan and Representative Hoffman. be it RESOLVED, BY THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES OF THE ONE HUNDRED FIRST GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF THE STATE OF ILLINOIS, that we congratulate Ronald E. Powell on his retirement as President of Local 881 UFCW, and we wish him all the best in all his future endeavors."

William Davis (D)

"Leader Hoffman on the Resolution."

Jay Hoffman (D)

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, Ronald E. Powell retired from United Food and Commercial Workers on December 1, 2018 after fifty-seven and a half years of dedicated service to the working men and women here in Illinois. Mr. Powell, he served in the United States Army and his first job out of school was with the Jewel Tea Company in DeKalb, where he led the first recognition strike against the company. Way back in 1983, he was elevated to the Office of President of the United Food Commercial Workers 881. Since that time he became Vice President of the Illinois AFL-CIO Executive Board, he did that in 1986, served as a leading voice in its governance under five Illinois AFL-CIO Presidents. In addition, he spent his life fighting for the rights of union members and workers throughout Illinois and Northwest Indiana. Under his steadfast leadership, he has helped countless workers find their voice on the job and beyond. He is been succeeded in the office at 881 by his son, Steve, who's has big shoes to fill. Ron Powell is not only a great father, he is a great friend, a great labor leader, a 10100036.docx 136 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019 compassionate caring person, but most of all he is great man. Congratulation Ron Powell on your retirement."

William Davis (D)

Speaker Davis: "Leader Hoffman moves for adoption of House Resolution 200. All those in favor say 'aye'; all those opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. And the Resolution is adopted. Attention Members, the filing deadline for Floor Amendments to House Bills will be Tuesday, April 9, 2019. Amendments filed after the close of business next Tuesday, 30 minutes after House Session ends will not be processed. Again, the filing deadline for Floor Amendments to House Bills will be Tuesday, April 9, 2019. Amendments filed after the close of business next Tuesday which is 30 minutes after Session will not, will not be processed. Representative Lisa Hernandez, for what reason do you rise?" Hernandez, L.: "Point of personal privilege."

William Davis (D)

"Please state your point." Hernandez, L.: "I just want to add to Mr. Ron Powell. I want to thank him very much for all his work he's done for immigrant families in his role as Union President. Mr. Ron Powell, thank you for all you work. The immigrant community thanks you."

William Davis (D)

"Agreed Resolutions."

Hollman

"Agreed Resolutions. House Resolution 249, offered by Representative McDermed. House Resolution 250, offered by Representative Ammons. And House Resolution 251, offered by Representative Didech."

William Davis (D)

"Leader Harris moves for the adoption of the Agreed Resolutions. All those in favor say 'aye'; all those opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. 10100036.docx 137 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019 An Agreed Resolutions are adopted. Mr. Clerk, please read the Adjournment Resolution."

Hollman

Clerk Hollman: "House Joint Resolution #57, offered by Representative Harris. be it RESOLVED, BY THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES OF THE ONE HUNDRED FIRST GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF THE STATE OF ILLINOIS, THE SENATE CONCURRING HEREIN, that when the two Houses adjourn on Thursday, April 04, 2019, the House of Representatives stands adjourned until Tuesday, April 09, 2019, or until the call of the Speaker; and the Senate stands adjourned until Tuesday, April 09, 2019, or until the call of the President.

William Davis (D)

"Leader Harris moves for the adoption of the Adjournment Resolution. All those in favor say 'aye; all those opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. And the Adjournment Resolution is adopted. And now, allowing perfunctory time for the Clerk, Leader Harris moves that House stand adjourned until Thursday, April 4, at the hour of 9 a.m., at the hour of 9 a.m. All those in favor say 'aye'; all those opposed say 'nay'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. And the House stands adjourned."

Hollman

"House Perfunctory Session will come to order. Introduction - First Reading of House Bills. House Bill 3826, offered by Representative Skillicorn, a Bill for an Act concerning local government. House Bill 3827, offered by Representative Carroll, a Bill for an Act concerning persons who are deaf, hard of hearing, or deafblind. First Reading of these House Bills. Introduction - First Reading of Senate Bills. Senate Bill 1627, offered by Representative Halpin, a Bill for an Act concerning criminal law. First Reading of 10100036.docx 138 STATE OF ILLINOIS 101st GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE S TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 36th Legislative Day 4/3/2019 this Senate Bill. There being no further business, the House Perfunctory Session will stand adjourned." 10100036.docx 139