" The doorkeeper will see to it that those persons not entitled to the floor are ah... removed therefrom. The House will be in order, the invocation this morning will be by Dr. Johnson."
"Morning Mr. Speaker. We pray. Our father in heaven we humbly stand in your presence this morning and ask the blessings of your Spirit upon all of us who are bound together in common purpose. Help me to perform the duties of my office according to your will. Give me strength 5. every task, courage for every difficulty, patience for every problem. Help me to look upon my work as a labor for the bene: of those who have placed me here. And when the day's work is done, give me the satisfaction of knowing that I have done my best for you and also for them. As we spend this day together in our tasks and common concerns, may we be joined more closel together in our consideration of each other and in our mutual purpose of seeking the continued wellbeing of our State. Above all, remind us that the greatest fellowship is that of being your people through faith in the covenant of your mercy.
In the name of Christ we pray. Amen. Hon. W. Robert Blair: "Roll call for attendance. Gentleman from Madison Mr. Kennedy."
"Mr. Speaker and ladies and gentleman of the House, I rise for the purpose of an introduction. I would like to introduce a group that is McGathry Senior Citizens, to the rear. Will they please stand?
"Messages from the Senate." GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 3.
"Message from the Senate by Mr. Wright, Secretary. Mr. Speaker I am directed to inform the House of Representatives that the Senate has passed the bill with the following title in the passage of which I am instructe to ask concurrence of the House. Senate Bill 1524, Senate Bill 1525, passed by the Senate, May 22, 1972, Kenneth Wright, Secretary. Mr. Speaker I am directed to inform the House of Representatives that the Senate has concurred the House to pass the bills with the following title: House Bill 3586, 4213, 4269, 4339, 4346, 4432, 4450, passed by the Senate, May 22, 1972, Kenneth Wright, Secretary. Mr. Speaker I am directed to inform the House of Representatives the Senate has concurred the House in the adoption of House Amendment no. 1 to Senate joint resolution number 71. Concurr by the Senate May 22, 1972, Kenneth Wright, Secretary. No further messages."
"We're going to move second reading House Bills today, at the start, so if you have bills on that order of reading that you want the chair to consider calling why... let the chair know. Ah...House Bil1 3774.
"House Bill 3774, Bill for an act in regard to the Lawrence County Fair and provide an appropriation in connection therewith. Second reading of the bill. One...ohe committee amendment, amend House Bill 3774 by adding after lindé 22 the following: 'Section 3. This Act takes effect July 1, 1972.'"
"Gentleman from Lawrence, Mr. Cunningham." GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 4.
"Mr. Speaker and members of the House I move that committee ah... Amendment number 1 be adopted."
"Any discussion? All those in favor of the adoption of the amendment say 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'aye's' have it, the amendment is adopted. Further Amendments? Third reading. 4085"
"House Bill 4085, A bill for an Act to provide for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Illinois Law Enforcement Commission. Second reading of the Bill. One Committee Amendment. Amend the House Bill 4085 on page 1, line 21, by deleting $2,700,000, and inserting in lieu thereof, '$2,050,000, page 1, line 24, by deleting $4,010,000 and inserting in lieu thereof...."
"Gentleman from cook, Mr. Regner.."
"Mr. Speaker, ladies and gentleman of the House, this is a ah... reduction of $650,000 in this bill and I would move for the adoption of the committee amendment 1, to House bill 4085."
"Discussion? All those in favor of the adoption of the Amendment say 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'aye's' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Gentleman from cook, Mr. Regner."
"Ah...Mr. Speaker could you hold that on second reading for just a couple of mi...ah...minutes we have another amendment?."
"Alright...Alright...We'll leave it on second. 4086." GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 5. Fredric B. Selcke: House Bill 4086, a bill for an Act to provide for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Governor's office of Human Resources. Second reading of the bi
"Alright...We're on Amendment number 3."
"Ah...Amendment number 3, Telcser, Amend House Bill..."
"Gentleman from cook, Mr. Telcser."
"Mr. Speaker - ladies and gentleman of the House ah...amendment number 3 an agree amendment ah...between both the Republican and Democratic members of the Appropriations Committee. We tabled the first two amendments simply because of the eradicable errors. I now move you, Mr. Speaker, that Amendment no. 3, House Bill 4086, be adopted.".
"Gentleman from cook, Mr. Lechowicz."
"Mr. Speaker - the response of the Amendment is absolutely correct ah...the amendment actually reduces the Governors Offices of Human Resources by an approximate total of $222,000. I concur in the Amendment.".
"All those in favor of the Adoption of the Amendment say 'aye'. opposed 'no'. The 'aye's' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments? Third reading. 4091."
"House Bill 4091. Bill for an act to provide fo the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Fair Employment Practices Commission. Second reading of the Bill. Ah... Committee Amendment no. 1 was tables in committee. Committee Amendment no. 2. amend House Bill 4091 on page 1, Section 1 GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 6. line 10, by striking $351,200 and inserting in lieu thereof '$386,200; and so forth."
"Alright... The Gentleman from cook, Mr. Washington."
"Mr. Speaker - ladies and gentleman of the House I move for the adoption of committee amendment no. 2."
"Is there any discussion? Gentleman has offered to move committee adoption of Amendment no. 2 House Bill 4091. All in favor of the adoption signify by saying 'aye'. opposed 'no'. The Amendment is adopted. Are further amendments? Third reading. House Bill 4085."
"Amendment no. 3, Regner. Oh. Wait a minute... wait a minute...Amendment no. 2 Regner. Amend House Bill 4085. page 1, line 21, by deleting...."
"Gentleman from Cook, Representative Regner
"Ah...Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentleman of the Hou this is a correctional amendment it adds a total line that wasn't on before and changes another total line ah...due to the $650,000 dollar reduction we had in amendment no. 1. And I move for the adoption of amendment no. 2."
"Is there any discussion? Gentleman has offered to move the adoption of amendment no. 2, to House Bi11 4085. All in favor signify by saying 'aye', opposed'no'. Amendment has been adopted. Are there further amendments? Third reading. House Bill 4089."
"House Bill 4089. Bill for an act to provide for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Liquor Control Commission. Second reading of the Bill. Two Committee GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 7. amendments. Amendment no. 1 Amend House Bill 4089, page 1 section 1, line 15 by leaving 90 andsoforth."
"Gentleman from Morgan, Representative Rose."
"Ah...Mr. Speaker - ladies and gentleman of the House, this is an agreed amendment ah...a committee amendment and I move its adoption."
"Any discussion? Gentleman from cook, Representative Simmons."
"Are there two Amendments to this? "Ah... well they conflict with each other so..."
"There are two Committee Amendments. Yes. Gentleman from cook, Representative Regner."
"Ah...Committee Amendment no. 1 was ah...not ah... was adopted and then we ah...withdrew it in committee and adopted Amendment No. 2, so.. ah...amendment no. 1 is not to be adopted, just No. 2."
"O-K, the Gentleman has ah... moved that Amendment No...Committee Amendment no. 1 to House Bill 4089, be tabled. All in favor of tabeling signify by saying 'aye', opposfd 'no'. Amendment is tabled. Are there any further Amendments?
"Amendment no. 2...."
"Gentleman from Morgan, Representative Rose."
"This is an agreed Amendment, I move for its adoption." GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 8.
"Any discussion? The gentleman has offered to move....Gentleman from cook, Representative Lechowicz."
"Mr. Speaker, ladies and gentleman of the House, I think ah...moving on these various Amendments, that they have passed the committees, just in fairness to the other members of the General Assembly, I would hope that the Sponsor would just give the total dollar amount in reduction in their respective fields."
"Is there further discussion? The Gentleman has offered to move the adoption of Amendment no. 2, to House Bill 4089. All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', opposed 'no'. The Amendment is adopted. Are there further Amendments? Third reading, House Bill 4093.:
"House Bill 4093. A Bill for an act to provide the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Office of Commissic of Banks and Trust Companies. Second reading of the bill. No. Committee Amendments."
"Are There Amendments from the floor? Third reading. House Bill 4140."
"House Bill 4140. A Bill for an act to make appropriation to the St. Louis Metropolitan Area Airport Authority. Second reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendment
"Are there any amendments from the floor? Third reading. House Bill 4185."
"House Bill 4185, Bill for an Act for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Office of Planning and Analysis in the Executive Office of the Governor. Second reading of the bill. One committee Amendment on House Bill 41: GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 9.
"Gentleman from cook, Representative Schlickman."
"Mr. Speaker, ladies and gentleman of the House, House Bill 4185 is an appropriation for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Office of planning and Analysis of the Governors Office. The bill, as it was originally introduced, provided for the sum of $5,400 for Commodities. Actually, it was supposed to be $400 for commodities and $5,000 dollars for Contractual Services. By this Amendment we simply break out the $5,000 from the $5,400. There is not net change in the appropriations ah...I move for the adoption of Committee Amendment no. 1, to House Bill 4185."
"Is There any discussion? The Gentleman has offered to move to the adoption of Amendment no. 1, to Hous Bill 4185. All in favor of the Adoption of the Amendment signify by saying 'ayè', opposed 'no'. The Amendment is adopted. Are there further amendments? Third reading. House Bill 4245."
"House Bill 4245, Bill for an act to make the supplemental appropriations to the Department of Personnel. Amendment no. 1 Amdn House Bill 4245 on page 1, Line 15, by striking '100,000' and inserting in lieu thereof: '70,000', and on page 1, by striking lines 16 through 23."
"Gentleman from cook, Representative Sevcil
"Move for the adoption of Amendment No. 1"
"Is there any discussion? The gentleman offered to move the adoption of amendment no. 1, to House Bill 4245. All those in favor of the Adoption signify by GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 10. saying'aye', the opposed 'no'. The Amendment is adopted. Are further amendments? Third reading. House Bill 4247."
"House Bill 4247. Bill for an act to provide the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Attorney General. Second reading of the bill. One committee Amendment. Amend House Bill 42...."
"Gentleman from cook, Representative Regner."
"Ah...Mr. Speaker ladies and gentleman of the House ah...ah...this amendment changes $50,000 from contingency and puts it in the contractual services where ah...the Attorney General actually use it and I move the adoption of committee Amendment 1 to the House Bill 4247."
"Gentleman from cook, Representative Shea."
"Representative Regner, as I look through the Appropriation bills, I find that in many many places in many other departments that there's appropriations for the Attorney Generals office. Do you think that it would be a better policy to incorporate all within the ah...Office of the Attorney General all of the expenses concurred by that office?"
"Ah...Yes sir I think it ah...would be a much better idea. We talked about that last year and I think with the passage of ah...ah... I think it was House Bill 4162 last week we would definately be able to do that in the future." GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 11.
"I...I think that it would be a better policy, not only with the Attorney General as he's...ah... I don't want to single him out, but I think that in many of these offices if we could find out what the entire appropriation for the one office is so we can find out what it cost to run the office we'd be in a much better place to make intelligent decisions."
"Representative Shea, I agree with you one hundred per cent and as I said, that was the purpose of that bill we passed last week."
"Is there further discussion? Gentleman has offered to move the adoption of Amendment no. 1 to House Bill 4247. All in favor of the adoption signify by saying'aye', opposed 'no'. The amendment has been adopted. Are there further Amendments? Third reading. House Bill 4249."
"House Bill 4249. Bill for an act to make appropriations Secretary of State Second reading of the Bill. Two Committee Amendments. Amend House Bill 4249, on page 1, line 12, before the...."
"Gentleman from Sangamon, Representative Jones."
"Sir, I move for the adoption of Amendments...
"Gentleman from cook, Representative
"
"Mr. Speaker, I renew my request that the respective sponsors of the amendments give a brief explanation exactly what the amendments do." GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: "Wish to explain the Amendment Representative Jones?
"Let the clerk read the amendment please."
"Amendment no. 1".
"Amend the House Bill 4249 on page 1, line 12, before the period, by inserting the following: 'and for planning, site surveys, soil tests, architecural fees and costs, site acquisitions and other necessary expenditures'; and......"
"Do you wish to expand upon that, Representative Jones?"
"This reduces the appropriation by $700,000 and only ah...uses reappropriation amount of $200,000 from the last year....the appropriation of $250,000.
"Is there further discussion? Gentleman offered to move the adoption Amendment no. 1 to House Bill 4249. All in favor of the adoption signify by saying 'aye', opposed 'no'. The amendment is adopted."
"Amendment no. 2, Amend House Bill 4249 on page 1, section 2, by deleting lines 13 through 24....."
"Gentleman from Sangamon, Representative Jones. Do you wish to move the amendment no. 2 Mr. Jones or wha
"This is an amendment that actually....to remove this $700,000 the other was explanatory."
"Is There further discussion? Gentleman has offered to move the adoption of Amendment No. 2 to House Bill 4249, All in favor of the adoption signify by saying 'aye', opposed' nó. The Amendment is adopted. Are there further Amendm GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES Third reading. House Bill 4250."
"House Bill 4250. Bill for an act to make an appropriation Secretary of State for the construction of Motor Vehicle Services Building in the County of Sangamon.
Second reading of the Bill. No committee amendments. Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: "Are there any amendments from the floor?"
"Amendment no. 1 Jones. Amend the House Bill 42...."
"Gentleman from Sangamon, Representative Jones."
"This is a realo....reallocation of the funds. This is for the ah...Vehicle Building for the Secretary of State on South 31st St. Ah...because of ah...bad weather the ah...delay in the construction and this reappropriates the large amount because there was not expended by this time as previously planned. It does not change the total appropria- tion originally appropriated by this project so I move its amendment adoption.
"Is there any discussion? Gentleman from cook, Representative Lechowicz."
"Mr. Speaker what the Sponsor, and when he explained the amendment was absolutely correct this is amendment is...because of the difficulty due to severe weather I...we concumed with the amendment on this side of the aisle and I hope that its adopted."
"Is there further discussion? Gentleman has offered to move the adoption of Amendment No. 1 to House GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 14. Bill 4250. All in favor of the adoption signify by saying 'aye', opposed 'no' the amendment is adopted. Are there further amendments? Third reading. House Bill 4251."
"House Bill 4251. Bill for an act to make an appropriation Secretary of State. Second reading of the Bill. One Committee Amendment. Amend House Bill 4251 page...."
"Gentleman from Sangamon Representative Jones."
"Amendment No. 1 simply changes the effective date of the act to July 1st.
"Is There Any discussion? Gentleman has offered to move the adoption of amendment no. 1 to House Bill 4251. All in favor of the adoption signify by saying 'aye', opposed 'no'. The amendment is adopted. Are there further amendments? Third reading. House Bill 4253."
"House Bill 4253. A Bill for an act to make an appropriation Secretary of State for Public Library System. Second Reading of the Bill. no committee amendments."
"Are there amendments from the floor? Third reading. House Bill 4254."
"House Bill 4254. A Bill for an act to make an appropriation to Secretary of State. reading of the Bill. One Committee Amendment. Bill 4254...." Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: Pappas. Second Amend House "Gentleman from Rock Island Representative GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 15.
"Mr. Speaker - ladies and gentleman of the House Amendment no. 1 changes the total amount of $500,000 from the Road fund to $485,000 and adds $15,000 to be taken from the general fund in order to ah... ah...make refunds in appropriate funds. I appreciate the adoption of the Amendment."
"Is there any discussion? Gentleman has offered to move the adoption of Amendment no. 1 to House Bill 4254. All in favor of the adoption signify by saying 'aye', opposed 'no'. The amendment is adopted. Are there further amendments? Third reading. House Bill 4255."
"House Bill 4255. Bill for an act to make an appropriation to the Secretary of State to administer the 'Illinois Governmental Ethics Act! Second reading of the bill. One Committee amendment. Amend House Bill 4255 page 1, line 3....."
"Gentleman from McHenry, Representative Lindberg."
" Ah... Mr. Speaker Ah...I move the adoption of the amendment. This would include the administration of the Federal Campaign Act into this particular bill. I move its adoption."
" Is There any further discussion? Gentleman has offered to move the adoption of amendment no. 1 to House Bill 4255. All in favor of the adoption signify by saying 'aye', opposed 'no'. The Amendment is adopted. Are there further amendments. third reading House GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 16. Bill 4256."
"House Bill 4256. Bill for an act to make an appropriation to Secretary of State. Second reading of the bill. No committee amendments."
"Are there Amendments from the floor? Third reading. House Bill 4258."
"House Bill 4258. Bill for an act to make an appropriation to Secretary of State. Second reading of the bill. No committee amendments."
"Are there amendments from the floor? Third reading. House Bill 4259."
"House Bill 4259. Bill for an act to make an appropriation Secretary of State. Second Reading of the bill. One committee amendment. Amend House Bill 4259 on page 4, line 11, by striking the figure $400,000' and inserting in lieu thereof $500,000 henceforth."
"The Gentleman from cook, Representative Regner."
"Ah...Mr. Speaker, ladies and gentleman of the House, this amendment adds a $100,000 dollars to the original $400,000 reappropriation. The entire amount is repproched corporation for fiscal year ah..!72. And it also adds July 1, 1972 as the effective date. And I move for its adoption."
"Is there any discussion? Gentleman has offered.... Gentleman has offered to move the adoption of amendment no. 1 to House Bill 4259. All in favor of the GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 17. adoption signify by saying 'aye'. opposed 'no'. The amendment is adopted. Are there further amendments? Third reading. House Bill 4280."
"House Bill 4280. Bill for an act to make an appropriation to Secretary of State for repairs and sorts. Second reading of the bill. No committee amendments."
"Are there amendments from the floor? Third reading. House Bill 4266."
"House Bill 4266. Bill for an act to amend section 29 'State Printing Contracts Act'. Second reading of the bill. One committee amendment. Amend House Bill...."
"Gentleman from cook, Representative Schlickman."
"Mr. Speaker, ladies and gentleman of the House. House Bill 4266 provides for distribution of the daily legislative journals on subscription basis to the general public. By amendment no. 1, we appropriate the sum of $40,000 for start on costs. This amendment was offered and adopted on the executive committee. The bill, as amended, was re-referred to appropriations committee where it received a recommendation, do passèd. I move for the adoption of committee amendment no. 1 to House Bill 4266."
"Is there any discussion? Ah...the gentleman has offered to move the adoption of amendment no. 1 to House Bill 4266. All those in favor of the adoption GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 18 signify by saying 'aye'. opposed 'no'. The amendment is adopted. Are there further amendments? Third reading. House Bill 4281:"
"House Bill 4281. Appropriation for Secretary of State, Phase III of the State Capitol Building. Second reading of the bill. No committee amendments."
"Are there amendments from the floor? Third reading. House Bill 4305."
"House Bill 4305. Bill for an act to make appropriations to certain claims against the State. Second reading of the bill. One committee amendment. Amend House Bill 4305 on page 1, by deleting lines 5,6 and soforth."
"Gentleman from Sangamon, Representative Gibbs."
"Mr. Clerk Would you repeat that number?"
"Amendment no: 1. Amend House Bill 4305 on page 1, by deleting lines 5, 6 and 7, and inserting in the following 'Section 1. The following named amounts are appropria- from the Road Fund to pay claims in conformity with awards and recommendations made by the Court of Claims to the persons, firms and corporations in the amounts as indicated'; and on page 1, by inserting between lines 9 and 10 the following: number 5494, Gerald T. Koehler - Tort, personal injuries resulting from negligent maintenance of U.S. Route no. 50, St.Clair County, Ill. Gerald T. Koehler....$8,229.03. Althoff Catholic High School and the Maryland Casualty Company, as subrogees....$11,770.97; and....." GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 19.
"Mr. Speaker, ladies and gentleman of the House. This is three claims which came into the House at a later date which were agreed by both parties."
"Is there any discussion? If not, the gentleman has offered to move the adoption of amendment no. 1 to House Bill 4305. All in favor of the adoption signify by saying 'aye'. Opposed 'no'. The amendment is adopted. Are there further amendments? Third reading. House Bill 4308."
"House Bill 4308. Bill for making a supplement: appropriations from Department of General Services. Second reading of the Bill. No committee amendments."
"Are there amendments from the floor? Third reading. House Bill 4387."
"House Bill 4387. Bill for an act relating to the participation of the Department of Agriculture in preparation of the'Chicago Metropolitan Area River Basin Plan' ah...U.S. Department of Agriculture. Second reading of the bill. One committee amendment. Amend House Bill 4387 on page 1, line....."
"Gentleman from cook, Representative Lechowicz."
"Mr. Speaker, ladies and gentleman of the House. This is a corrective amendment to...in the drafting of the bill they removed a certain line, I believe. it was line 33 on page 1 of the bill, stating that ah... it was supposed to be a planned a ah...plan that was in GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 21.
"House Bill 4643. Bill for an act to make an appropriation for the establishment of a science research unit and consulting panel. Second reading of the bill. No committee amendments."
"Are there amendments from the floor? Third reading. House Bill 4651."
"House Bill 4651. Bill for an act to Amend section 1 of an Act to provide for the ordinary and contingent expenses of clerk of the Appellate Court of the Second District. Second reading of the bill. No committee amendments."
"Are there amendments from the floor? Third reading. House Bill 3608."
"House Bill 3608. Bill for an act to implement and regulate lottery within the State. Second reading of the Bill. Three committee amendments. Amendment no. 1. Amend House Bill 3608 on page 1, line 2 by inserting immediately before the period of the following: 'make appropriation in connection therewith on page 11, by inserting below 27 the following: 'Section 25 and support'."
"The Gentleman from Winnebago, Mr. Giorgi."
"Mr. Speaker can you pull it out of record for a few minutes, the reference room is drawing up an amendment?"
"Take it out of record. House Bills third reading. House Bill 4088."
"House Bill 4088. An act to provide the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Department of Audits. Third reading of the bill." GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 22.
"Gentleman from McLean, Mr. Hall."
"Ah...ladies and gentleman of the House, This is the annual appropriation for the Department of Audits ah...I move for its adoption."
"Any discussion? Question is: Shall House Bill 4088.... Gentleman from ah...cook, Mr. Richard Walsh."
"Ah...Mr. speaker I wonder if, as in the past, when we have these annual appropriations bills that the sponsor might indicate the amount, and ah...might also indicate if...if ah...he feels is relevant what the ah... appropriation was the preceeding year?"
"Gentleman from McLean, Mr. Hall."
"Ah...the amount of this appropriation is ah... $1,415,000. Ah... I can't tell... I can't tell ah... the gentleman exactly what it was last year, but I know there is a very minor increase. This is the Department that does all the auditing of the ah..."
"How do the ah....did I just indicate the $1,408,500 was there an amendment?"
"Gentleman from cook, Mr. Lechowicz."
"Thank you Mr. Speaker The digest is absolutely correct. Dick what happened ah...we amended this bill, House Bill 4088, with amendment no. 1 which ah...reduced the figure from the General Revenue Fund' which originally was shown on the bill of $1,394,200. This was reduced to $1,387,700 in amendment no. 1. So if you...actually what it...what it GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 23; amounted to was a reduction from the General Revenue Account if you add the General Revenue Account as proposed in amendment no. 1 that gives you a new total."
"Further discussion? Question is, 'shall House Bill 4088 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye' and the opposed 'no'. Have all voted who wished? Clerk will... take the record. D.J. O'Brien, 'aye', On this question there are 146 'aye's', no 'nays'. This hill having received a constitutional majority is hereby declared passed. What.did the gentleman from Knox, Mr. McMaster ask?"
"Ah...point of personal priviledge Mr. Speaker. I would like to ah...introduce to the ah...House Members the ah...ah...political science class from the Carl Sandberg Junior College in Galesberg. They're in ah...the Gallery to the right. Could we give them a hand?"
"4095"
"House Bill 4095. Bill for an act to provide the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Department of Financial Institutions. Third reading of the Bill."
"The...Gentleman from Logan, Mr. Madigan."
"Mr. Speaker, I wonder if the gentleman from cook, Mr. Walsh, could repeat the ah...the information that he wants on this bill?"
"Gentleman from cook, ah... Mr. Richard Walsh."
"Well ah...Mr. Speaker ah..ah...I wonder if the congressman might possibly explain why ah...in this particular GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 24. instance the... the Budget Book is different from the digest and I'm not sure what the bill is, because he's probably the only one, outside of Mr. Simmons who has it on his desk. So since we're here voting annual appropriation bills we'd just like to know what the figures are."
"Alright...the Gentleman from Logan, Mr. Madigan."
"Yes, I'm advised by counsel that the Budget Book does not contain the four and one half per cent salary increase for any of the departments. And that is ah...presumably the difference, Dick. Mr. Speaker ladies and gentleman of the House, House Bill 4095 is the annual appropriation for the Department of Financial Institutions. The total appropriation is $1,673,100 which represents a reduction of $60,000 from the appropriation for last year. This...theyre actually request last....less money than they requested last year. I'd appreciat your support for the bill."
"Further discussion? The question is, shall House Bill 4095....Gentleman from cook, Mr. Lechowicz."
"Mr. Speaker in reply to the... Representati Madigan, in 1972 Department of Financial Institutions was authorized $1,685,300. This Bill asks for $1,673,100, so we're talking about approximately a $12,000 dollar difference in lieu of the figure just mentioned. "
"Further discussion? The question is, shall this bill pass?' All those in favor will vote 'aye' and the opposed 'no'. Ilave all voted who wished? Clerk will take the record. 144 'aye's' no 'nay's'. This having received a GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 25. constitutional majority is hereby declared passed. 4099."
"House Bill 4099. Bill for an act to make an appropriation for expenses Department of Insurance. Third reading of the bill."
"Gentleman, From cook, Mr. Epton."
"Mr. Speaker ladies and gentleman of the House, this is one department that has asked to less this year than the previous year. I solicit your vote in this very very favorable appropriation."
"Discussions? Gentleman from ah...cook, Mr. Palmer."
"If ah...the ah... Sponsor would ah...I ah I'd like to reiterate the request that Representative Walsh made that he...that the sponsors of these bills set out what the amount is, if your please Mr. Speaker."
"Gentleman from cook, ah... Mr. Epton."
"The Amount involved is $3,640,000."
"Gentleman from cook, Mr. Lechowicz."
"Mr. Speaker ladies and gentleman of the House the amended amount is $3683,900. This is a reduction of approximately $30,000 from the original bill, which was adopted by amendment no. 1, to this respective bill in reference to the dollar amounts allocated in the data processing costs. So the new figure is $3,683,900, the ordinary and contingent expenses. of the Department of Insurance."
"Further discussion? The question is shall... Gentleman from cook, Mr. Shea." GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 26.
"Ah...I wonder if the sponsor might hold this bill for a little while?"
"If the disti...If the distinguished minority.... asst. minority leader would tell me why, perhaps, I would be glad to accommodate, and even those his vote last night was adverse."
"My...my vote last night was adverse to what?"
"I think, it was congratulating my wife on being married...but that's beside the point. What was the reason for your.... This bill has been thoroughly disected,... bisected, reviewed by the democratic minority. I'm really pushing it in their behalf." Gerald W. Shea; "Well, I understand Representative Choate had a few things to say about it and he's off the floor, And I would just ask you to hold it until he gets back."
"Well since your making this request for Representative Choate, that puts a different complexion on it. I'll be happy to hold it."
"Alright. The gentleman ah... Take that out of the record, so we'll take, take it out. 4142." "Fredric B. Selcke: "House Bill 4142. Bill for an act to make an appropriation for Louis Petrick. Third reading of the bill."
"Gentleman from cook, Mr. DiPrima."
"Ah...which one is this on ah... Mr. Speaker ladies and gentleman of the House. This appropriates $620.50 to Louis Petrick for money that was originally entitled to him under the World War II' Veterens Compensation Act. 'I would GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPHESENTATIVES appreciate a favorable vote." 27.
"Any further discussion? The question is, 'shall this bill pass?' All those in favor will vote 'aye' the opposed 'no'. Have all voted who wished? The... Clerk will take the record. On this there are 140 'aye's' and 4 'nay's'. This bill having received a constitutional majority is hereby declared passed. 4143."
"House Bill 4143. An act to make an appropriatic to Nathan Singer, Third reading of the bill."
"Gentleman from cook, Mr. DiPrima."
" Yes. House Bill 4143 Mr. Speaker, ladies and gentleman of the House, House Bill 4143 appropriates $1800 to Nathan Singer for World War compensation. 1800 pennies, that is. I'd appreciate a favorable vote.
"Further discussion? Gentleman from Lake Mr. Matijevich."
"Will the Gentleman yield to one question?
"Yes, indicate what you want."
"Larry, do you know what it costs the tax- payers to process one bill like this, for $18.00?"
"Now look, John, You don't have to go into that.
I know I realize it. John E. Matijevich: "No... No... Larry, Larry, No, the reason I said that your..your a good man at having people donate for differen causes. I think we could have pitched in eighteen bucks around here."
"I realize...." GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 28.
"instead of asking the taxpayers for money, really. particularly if he's a friend of yours ah...we'd have done that and saved the taxpayers some money."
"He's just a Veteran. That's all. I was just giving him his just dues, and that's it."
"Alright. All those in favor vote 'aye', the opposed 'no'. Have all voted who wished? The Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 140 'aye's and 1 'nay'. This bill having received a constitutional majority is hereby declared passed. 4154."
"House Bill 4154. An Act to make an appropriatio the Board of Trustees, Judge's Retirement System. Third reading of the...."
"Gentleman from ah...cook, Mr. McDermott."
"Mr. Speaker, and members of the House, This is the appropriation for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Board of Trustees of the Judge's Retirement System. It amounts to $1,417,200."
"Further discussion? The question is... 'shall this bill pass?' All those in favor will vote 'aye' and the opposed 'no'. Have all voted who wished? Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 149 'aye's', no 'nays'. This bill having received a constitutional majority is hereby declared....passed. 4158."
"House Bill 4158. An Act to amend section 1, or an act to make an appropriation to the Secretary of State providing offices and hearing rooms to the State Office Building. GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 29.
Third reading of the bill. Hon. W. Robert Blair: "Gentleman from cook, Mr. Regner."
"Ah...Mr. Speaker, ladies and gentleman of the House. Ah...this bill increases the appropriation for the ah... renovation of the first and second floors of the State Office Building for $300,000. This is for the offices ah...for the Legislative members. The amendment was neccessitated by the fact that initial appropriation was insufficient to complete the renovation. And I ask for a favorable vote on House Bill 4158."
"Further Discussion? Question is, 'shall this bill pass? All those in favor will vote 'aye' and the opposed 'no'. Have all voted who wished? Have all voted who wished? Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 133 'ayes' no 'naye'. This bill having received a constitutional majority is hereby declared passed. 41.... 4092."
"House Bill 4092. An act to provide the ordinary and contingent expenses Commission on Human Relations. Third reading of the bill."
"The....Gentleman from ah...cook, Mr. Graham.
"Mr. Speaker, ladies and gentleman of the House. 4092, $489,000,$489,600 for the ordinary and contingent expenses for of the Commission on Human Relations for the fiscal year beginning July 1. I hope we'll all vote for that."
"Discussion? Gentleman from cook, Mr. Lechowicz." GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 30.
"Mr. Speaker, I just want to point out that the members of the House, at this ah...reduction from the original request ah...by $75,000 in the areas of contractual services. At that time they couldn't justify the amount. The new total as the sponsor indicated is $489,600."
"Further discussion? Gentleman from Macon, Mr. Borchers."
"Mr. Speaker and fellow members of the House, I hope you vote 'no'. I wanted to point out to you that the Pennsylvania Dutch are being discriminated against."
"Further discussion? Question is shall this bill pass? All those in favor will vote 'aye' and the opposed 'no'. Have all voted who wished? Clerk will...take the record. On this question there are 137 'ayes' and 3 'nays' This bill having received a constitutional majority is hereby declared passed. 3068"
"House Bill 3068. Bill for an act to make an appropriation to Edward Dust. Third reading of the bill."
"The ah...gentleman from cook, Mr. Meyer."
"Mr. Speaker this is ah...ah...bill to provide money for a serviceman who...who didn't receive his compensation afte. ah...his discharge from World War II."
"Discussion? Gentleman from cook, Mr.
"
"Mr. Speaker, this bill call for a ah... appropriation of $391.83. What the sponsor has stated is absolutely correct." GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 31.
"Further discussion? Question is shall this bill pass? All those in favor will vote 'aye' and the opposed 'no'. Have all voted who wished? Clerk will...will take the record. On this question there are 150'ayes' no 'naye'. This bill having received a constitutional majority is hereby declared passed. 4175."
"House Bill 4175. Bill for an act to make an appropriation to pay a certain legislative officer. Third reading of the bill."
"The gentleman from ah...cook, Mr. Telcser."
"Mr. Speaker, ladies and gentleman of the House. I'll try bill... I'll try awful hard for you. House Bill 4175 ah...is an appropriation for a ah...majority whip, not me, who chose last year not to take the ah...extra compensation ah.. serving in that capacity. He had discussed his situation with ah...Mr. Howlett's Office and was under the impression that he could pick up that salary this year. Ah...However we had ....ah we appropriate those funds and this is precisely what House bill 4175 does. And I would appreciate your support, as of Representative Cox."
"Further discussion? Question is shall this bill pass?' All voted who wished? The clerk will take the recor On this question there are 152 'ayes', no 'nays'. This bill having received a constitutional majority is hereby declared passed. 4199"
"House Bill 4199. An act to make a supplementai appropriation of the ordinary and contingent expenses to the Department of Finance. Third reading of the bill." GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES Hon. W. Robert Blair: "Gentleman from Logan, Mr. Madigan."
"Mr. Speaker and ladies and gentleman of the House, this is a $20,000 supplemental appropriation to the Department of Finance, that reimburses them for money that they are obliged to pay to local law enforcement officials who travel outside the state of Illinois for the purpose of apprehending and returning felons to the State of Illinois. Last year was the first year that the Department of Finance had this responsibility and their estimates at the amount of money that they would be required to have for rei mbursements was $20,000 less than it should have been and I appreciate your support for the bill."
"Further discussion? Question is shall this bill pass?' All those in favor will vote 'aye' and the opposed 'no'. Have all voted who wished? Clerk will take the record. On this question there are 149'ayes', no'naye', and this bill having received a constitutional majority is hereb: declared passed. What purpose did the Gentleman from cook, Mr. Miller rise?
"Mr. Speaker ladies and gentleman of the House, on the Rotunda the Boys Club of Springfield are selling tickets for the game next Tuesday, its a dollar a throw and ah.. I hope that at this afternoon at five o'clock at Lincoln Park, all those fellows that haven't had any practice had better get out there because...get those muscles...get the crease out of them. Five o'clock today at Lincoln Park, practice, that's the last one, last practice." GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES "Senate Bills First reading 889." Hon. W. Robert Blair:
"Senate Bill 889. An act creating the office of State. Appellate Defender. First reading of the bill."
"1328."
"Senate Bill 1328. An act to provide the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Local Governmental Law Enforcement Officers Training Board. First reading of the bill."
"1.363."
"Senate Bill 1363. An an act in relation to pay on a grant to enable the elderly and disabled to require and retain private housing. First reading of the bill."
"1364."
"Senate Bill 1364. Bill for an act to amend the Aerona.... 'Aeronautics Act. First reading of the bill."
"1370."
"1370. An act to add section 9.02 to the Illinc Purchasing Act. First reading of the bill."
"1391."
"Senate Bill 1391. An act to amend the Metropolitan Transit Authority Act. First reading of the bill.'
"1419."
"Senate Bill 1419. An act to provide for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Spanish Speaking People: Study Commission. First reading of the bill."
"1420."
"1420. An Act to authorize the Director of Conservation in conveying quick claim certain state owned land GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 34. in Sangamon County. First reading of the bill."
"1424."
"1424. Bill for an act to amend the Revenue Act. First reading of the bill."
"1436."
"Senate Bill 1436. An Act to amend the 'Ciminal Code'. First reading of the bill."
"1473."
"1473. Bill for an act to make an appropriation expense on the Commission on Children. First reading of the bill."
"1508."
"1508. Bill for an act to create Senior... 'Senior Citizens Property Tax Relief Act'. First reading of the bill."
"Take that bill out of the record. Don't read it the first time. Take it out of the record. 1521."
"1521. Bill for an act to amend the 'Illinois Police Training Act'. First reading of the bill."
"1529."
"Ah...Senate bill 1529. An act to amend an act relating to real estate brokers. First reading of the bill."
"1532."
"Senate Bill 1532. An Act to amend an act rela- to Conveyances. First reading of the bill."
"Resolutions."
"Ah...House Resolution 660, Pappas, House GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 35. Resolution 661 Houlihan, House Resolution 662, DiPrima, et. al. House Resolution 663, Lindberg, House Resolution 664, Lechowicz, et.al. House Resolution 665, Lechowicz, et. al. House Resolution 666, Hirschfeld, House Resolution 667, Hirschfeld, House Resolution 668, Cox, House Resolution 670, Harber Hall, House Resolution 671, Redmond, et.al.
"Gentleman from ah...cook, Mr. Hyde."
"Mr. Speaker, ladies and gentleman of the House, The agreed resolutions are as follows: 660 congratulates William Colvin, supervisor of research and Developement at the Secretary of State's Office upon his retirement after 39 years of dedicated service. 661 ah...commends Mr. Koenig for his service...."
"For his service to the ah...village of Park Forest as village president. House Resolution 662 ah...extends best wishes to Joseph Murphy 1pom his retirement. He's the director of Civil Service Personnel for the Chicago Board of Education. And he served there 46 and 1/2 years. House Resolution 663, ah..expresses congratulations to Dr. and Mrs. Alford, Frank Alford, upon the occasion of their 50th wedding anniversary. House Resolution 664 congratulated Father Anthony Laskowski ah... ah...the Pastor of St. Stanislaus Church. House Resolution 665 congratulates the Reverend Bernard Bak ah...Asst. Pastor of St. Stanislaus Church. House Resolution 666 congratulates Mrs. Ellen....Eileen Whightman upon her retirement after 16 years in the teaching profession. House resolution 667 congratulates GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 36. Miss Lela Whitecre ah...for 50 years of service in the public school. House Resolution 668 commends Morgan F. Phipps for his many years service to ah...his country and the city of Mattoon. House Resolution 669 congratulates ah...our beloved Bernard... Benedict Armiso, which we adopted yesterday. House Resolution 670 ah...wishes congratulations to Edward B. Rust of Bloomington in his new position as Treasurer of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. House Resolution 671 commends the citizens of Roselle on the occasion of the celebration of Roselle's 50th anniversary. And House Resolution 672 commends James Josephad and Paul Joesephad upon their attainment rank of eagle scout in Boy Scouts of America. I move adoption of the agreed resolutions."
"Ah...question is on the adoption of agreed Resolutions. All those in favor say 'aye'....opposed 'nay'... The aye's have it and the agreed resolutions are hereby adopted.
"Further Resolutions?
"Ah...House Resolutuion ah..659 Murphy."
"The ah...Gentleman from Lake, Mr. Murphy."
"Mr. Speaker I ah....request that we lay the provisic of the ah... rule 53 for immediate consideration on House Resolut 659."
"Ah...is there ah...leave to suspend the provisions of rule 53A. So that this....resolution may be heard at this time? Gentleman from cook, Mr. Hyde."
"Ah...I ah... I would appreciate it if the Gentleman would explain just what the resolution does." GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 37.
"Alright.... You know..."
"Before or after leave?"
"I suppose after the leave ah...ah... would probably be best ah..."
"Alright... Is there leave?" Alright the provisions of rule 53A are suspended so that this matter may be heard at this time. Gentleman from lake, Mr. Murphy."
"Does the clerk want to read the resolution?"
"Alright the clerk will read the resolution."
"House Resolution 659. Whereas, Transcendental Meditation is a simple, natural technique of gaining deep rest and relaxation which is easily learned by everyone; and Whereas, School officials have noted a lessening of student unro and an improvement in grades and student-parent-and teacher rel tionship among practitioners of Transcendental Meditation; and Whereas, Transcendental Meditation offers an alternative to druç abuse and studies indicate that it shows promise of being the most positive and effective drug prevention program being presented in the world today; and whereas, Physiological experi- ments provide evidence that through the regular practice of T.M. (twice daily for 15-20 minutes) the main causes of hypertension, anxiety, highblood pressure, cardiac arrest, and other psychoso- matic illnesses are removed; and Whereas, Through the efforts of the Students International Meditation Society, a non-profit educational organization, credit courses in the Science of Creat Intelligence, the practical aspect of which is T.M., have been offered at many of the largest universities throughout the Unit States; and whereas, Under a Plan World teaching centers of the GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 38. Science of Creative Intelligence are being founded in the larges cities throughout the United States and the world, one of which is to be located in Chicago, Illinois; and Whereas, The purpose of these centers is the training of teachers to accomplish the objectives of the Science of Creative Intelligence which are: 1) to develop the full potential of the individual, 2) to improve...."
"Just a moment. Gentleman from Lake ah...
"
"Ah...Mr. Speaker, I think we've had enough knowledge from listening anyhow. I think it probably ah...are half meditating already. You know I introduced this resolution, and ah...I felt like I was introducing something that was almos for motherhood and then the...leader said, 'no we can't put this on the consent calendar, they... they said this is frankly contr vercial,' I said, 'Why serious up boys, I... I felt like I was wearing a white hat when I put this in.' And if you notice I have been changing my image ah... at ah...the last... lately. I wear a long tie now, and I've been associa....associated with nice white hat people, and this is along that line. I think meditation...get the credit for this. I'm really...really very serious about this resolution. For you that don't know why Transcendental Meditation has become a big...scientific subject in the whole country and deserves a great job in the fighting of drug about throughout our country, and is already in install. in many of the Universities. In fact, in our own Universities, they give ten semester credit hours for a course in Transcenden: Meditation. In this day of high tensions, am I bothering you GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES you fellows? I would suggest that you meditate a bit, but you might fall asleep and forget to vote. Actually, it's a very serious subject this...this is an art and has been proven scientifically to be a great physical aid, great mental aid, and I believe it's something that is well worthwhile to encourag the continuation of the advancement of this in this day of high tension. I think it's a good resolution, I'm very serious about it and I ask your support in the passing of the resolution.
"The ah...gentleman from Lake, Mr. Pierce."
"Ah...Mr. Speaker in support of the resolution, I can vouche ah...for the great change in the image of Represent ative Murphy, Transcendental Meditation has brought about. In his last election he was placed in my district, or I was placed in his district and my voters would keep coming up to me and saying, 'Why aren't you a reformer, Why aren't you a White hat like Representative Murphy?'. And because of Transcendental Meditation, Representative Murphy ran first in the Republican Primary , and was endorsed by even newspapers, some of them in the district, and is really considered reformer in the 32nd district, and I got to watch my voting record to try to keep pace with him now. So there must be something to this."
"Gentleman from ah...cook, Mr. Simmons."
"Will the Sponsor give the question? Ah... This is serious question. Ah... The clerk read alot of whereas's, ah...now what...what are we actually resolving to do in this resolution?"
"All we are resolving to do, Representative Simmons, is...to encourage the people that are trying to project and brin GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 40. about more meditation, especially for the college students throughout the State of Illinois, and other people."
"Ah...to whom is it going to be sent?"
"Ah... the resolution says it should be sent to the Maharijah who is ..has a program and to the students who teach the art of Transcendental Meditation."
"Thank you."
"Gentleman from ah...ah...cook, Mr. Hyde."
"Well Mr. Speaker, Ah...I've read this ah...resoluti and I have ah... I think it is ah...marvelous that Transcendental Meditation has had the salutary effect on the distinguished chief sponsor. Frankly I ah...didn't know there was any real room for improvement and ah...ah...if he is more serene and at peace with the world I think thats marvelous, and I think we al ah...could learn from this. However the ah...resolves of this resolution do concern me. We are...We, the ah... legislature are advising the ah... Department of Mental Health and the Drug Abuse section, that they should incorporate as much as possible of thi: course into its drug abuse program. I do not feel that I posses. the expertise even upon the happy experience that Mr. Murphy has had... Representative Murphy has had with this, to advise the ah...drug abuse section that they should incorporate this in the courses, or nor do I think the State of Illinois should cooperat or ah...be involved at all in encouraging the center for the teaching of the science of creative intelligence ah...which the Maharijah ah...and his ah...followers are going to found in Chicago. I do know that the Beatles ah...went over to India to GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 41 consult with the Maharijah, and immediately thereafter they split up and ah...ah...that John Lennon and Yoko Ono are having their problems even now ah...I know that ah...Shirley MacLain ah...went over to the Maharijah and then her Television Series was dropped, and ah...Mia Farrow and Andre' Previn have been in England with some domestic problems. So the experience is not unreleased excess ah...with the Maharijah. I think that ah...if Representative Murphy wants to praise the Maharijah. and encourage him in his good work, that's one thing, But to,.. for us to suggest that the drug abuse section ah...incorporate the Transcendental Meditation ah...courses ah...really I think and sincerely is beyond the competence of this body."
"The Gentleman from ah...ah...cook, Mr. Doug
"Ah...Mr. Speaker, I must confess that something very strange happened to me yesterday, when I found myself at Representative Murphy's side. Ah...I wondered how I got there. Ah...suddenly then a few ...."
"Wait...Wait...Wait a minute. Gentleman fror DuPage, Mr. Hoffman. For what purpose do you ask?"
"I just wanted to inform Representative Douglas that I saw him walk by my chair and go around and walk down there."
"Well...Well...what happened to me apparently as a result of this new science of Transcendental Meditation, was that I lost the few remaining friends that I had in the House, and ah...as a result of this experience of ah...of this hypnoti. suggestion ah...drew me there while Representative Murphy and I ah. found ourselves together on something besides ah...water GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 42. flouridation. I last evening called some people in Chicago to ask them about Transcendental Meditation and...and I really was not able to find out very much. First of all in the ah... whereas's was the inference that... that this is an excepted ah...scientific technique. Ah...I ah...take issue with that I...I...think as Representative Hyde inferred or said quite bluntly that this...this legislature would be stepping out on a limb to encourage ah...departments here in the State to use this technique in the carrying out of their programs. And in all seriousness with...with respect to Representative Murphy, whose intentions I'm sure are good, ah...there are those who feel that Transcendental Meditation is occultist kind of activity ah...in doult in the excepted scientific community ah... the phsychiatric:community looks upon it with great reservation and hesitation and I think that ah...as much as we love represer tatave Murphy, some of us or most of us I...I... think it would be an unwarrant idea for us to to...encourage its use coming from the legislature."
"Gentleman from Lawrence, Mr. Cunningham."
"Mr. Speaker and members of the House, I too wante to observe the improvement in Representative Murphy. I endorsed heartily all the things that he said about this new science, but. I wanted to say to him and to all of the scoffing non-believers in this room, that we have had Transcendental Meditation in southeastern Illinois for a great many years, only there we call it morning prayer. And in that light, I'll be proud to vote for it." GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 43.
"Any further discussions? Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Carroll."
"Thank you Mr. Speaker. I was just wondering if the sponsor, Mr. Murphy, if we would be allowed about 20 minutes to meditate on this before we're asked to vote?"
"Gentleman from Lake, Mr. Murphy."
"I say that it would do, from what I have seen and observed in this session, it would do all of you alot of good."
"Alright the gentleman from Lake, Mr. Murphy to close."
"In the first place, I want to say as far as Representa tive Douglas is concerned, quite the opposite from what he said. I've had half a dozen people people telling me today, ' you kno that fellow's almost getting human.' I think he's gonna have a better future in the House if he comes over to this side once and a while and visite with me instead. But in all seriousness, I think that you're making a mountain out of a mole hill, Representative Hyde, we're not telling them to do anything. We' just telling them to encourage all of these young people that are taking something serious instead of violence and...and demonstrations, they are taking something serious and doing something serious that is doing them alot of good. You will not find one meditator a demonstrator any place, you'll not find one meditator a user of drugs, and I think you're putting a great deal of emphasis here that is not there. We're just saying to them or encouraging them to their program. They are GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 44. not asking for any money. We're not asking them to sponsor themselves or anything about it. But to encourage them. And if there is anything wrong in this somehow I have been misled in my entire lifetime. This is a good resolution. Probably one of the better motherhood resolutions ever been on the floor of the House and I ask your support of it."
"For what purpose the ah... Gentleman from cook, Mr. Hyde, rised?"
"Well, Mr. Speaker I am really disposed to to ah... vote to support Representative Murphy for ah....reasons ah.. ah...I think ah...rjot only are the intentions good but I think Meditation is very worthy occupation and helpful ah... I wonder if he would consider ah...holding this resolution and maybe changing the resolve ah...to ah...if he would encourage the Department of Mental Health to study the ah..ah..Transcendental Meditation Process and if they, following their study, find it ah..ah..to have some value then incorporate it. I think by asking them to study it and let them make the evaluation instead of us making the evaluation might ah...ah...be helpful. Is that ah...will that be helpfull at all representative Murphy? Do you follow what I'm saying?"
"I would be very very happy to put that in there and study because that is really what we want them to do. We want them to be familiar with it so that they know what its all about, because there is, if they study it they will find, that there is scientific proof, some of the finest men in the country, some of the finest educators in the country, on the real value of Transcendental Meditation. So I'd be very happy to put an GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 45. amendment on there to suggest that they study it, if that's what you wish."
" I would support...I would support the resolution then rather than having to tell them to incorporate it, ask them to study it and to see if they if they ah...to see if they find merits ah...then act appropriately. So ah...would you hold this maybe until tommorrow and maybe we'll work on it, ah... with you and maybe its something we ah...can support."
"I'd be happy to."
"Thank you."
"Alright take it out of the record. Alright we'll get back to Senate Bills. Senate Bills First reading. Ah..Senate Bill 1508."
"Senate Bill 1508. An act in relation to obtaining a grant to enable the Elderly requiring retained private housing. Make an appropriation in connection therewith. First reading of the bill."
"On the order of Ah...Senate Bills second reading. I'd like to indicate that the Calendar shows those Senate Bills Second reading first legislative day. Left in here those bills that are on there or have been on a first legislative day they're on ah...second ah..day. So I'll go to that order and ah...call 1358."
"Senate Bill 1358. An act making a supplemental appropriation to certain distributive expenditures, Department of Public Aid. Second reading of the Bill. One committee amend- ment. Amend Senate Bill 1358 page 1, section 1, line 6, by GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 46. striking '$135,000,000 and inserting in lieu thereof $125,000,C and on page 1, section 1, line 14..."
"Gentleman from ah...cook, Mr. Simmons, What purpose do you rise?"
"Is 1358 on the Calendar?"
"Yes. Its on Second Bill, second reading, first legislative day, and I indicated that...that in error they're really on second reading second day. The second column on page two. Gentleman from cook, Mr. Washington. Mr. Genoa Washington."
"Mr. Speaker, and ladies and gentleman of the house, committe amendment no. 1 reduces the appropriation from $135,000,000 to $129,000,000, for good cause shown, and I move the adoption of amendment no. 1 to Senate Bill 1358.".
"Any discussion. All those in favor of the adoption of the amendment say 'aye'. opposed 'no. The 'ayes' have it, the amendment is adopted. Are there further amendments Third reading. Now back to House Bills Third reading. 4130
"House Bill 4130. Bill for an act to make a supplemental appropriation to Pollution Control Board. Third reading of the bill."
"Gentleman from cook, Mr. Burditt."
"Ah...Mr. Speaker, ladies and gentleman of the House, as the clerk said this is the deficiency approp- riation for the Pollution Control Board. The deficiency is caused by the fact that the Statute that we paseed in 1970 requires that all hearings to the board ah...be public hearings and that they ah...there be a complete transcript provided. GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 47. Ah...nearly all of the deficiency is for the ah...court reporting to coverthese transcripts. The original bill was for $225,000 after substantial negotiations in the ah...the ah... appropriations committee and the sub-committee. An amendment was put on the bill on second reading to reduce the amount to $165,000 ah...which is the amount of the bill, which is under consideration at the moment. Ah...I believe this is an agreed bill with the members of the appropriations committee on both sides of the aisle, and I would appreciate your support. The bill came out of the appropriations committee 18 to nothing."
"The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Shea."
"George, at the time this bill was on second reading. I made inquiries of you with regards of having employees as court reporters rather than buying the service. I have since discussed with a Mr. Hartnett who is the legislativo chairman of the court reporters association, the official Court Reporters Association, and checked with various people on what it would cost for employees vs. buying. I find out that even in the Federal Court our court reporters officials are paid $13,500 a year. The official court reporters are at that rate, the Federal Court Reporters are at the rate of $16,000 a year, and to that they are paid the rate of a $1.00 a page or 75 cents a page depending on what's going on. NOW it seems to me, looking at what we hire private court reporters for $22.00 an hour, plus $2.00 a page, ah...it just seems to me...I guess its $22.00 whether they work an hour or three hours and after that its $7.50 an hour. But it just seems to GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 48. me that it would be substantially less than what we are spending now, and I discuss further, are there court reporters available at those mutuals? And they tell me there are sufficient number of court reporters in this State that would be interested in taking employment of that type. So George I can't support this bill in the present form for that reason. I suppose they need the money and maybe I will support it because I know we want to get it out of here. But why are they so hard heading, George, about this attitude that they won't hire people, that they've got to do it on a contractual basis?"
"Gentleman from cook, Mr. Burditt."
"Ah...Gerry, first of all let me point out as I did on second reading that this is a deficiency appropriation for last year and your question is a perfectly valid question one which I immediately passed on to the chairman of the Pollut: Control Board. But your question is relevant to the appropriati. for the current biennium, not for the past year. So for that reason..."
"Well this is a supplement, isn't it George?"
"This is a supplement."
"And my understanding is that this money is to be used to pay for court reporting services in the months of May and June."
"Thats.... Thats right. And the board is making a thorough investigation. I told them precicely what you had said on the floor of the House. And you can believe that they want to save them money just as much as we want them to save GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 49. the money, because the more they save the better job they can do. I did not give them the name of the gentleman which you just mentioned because I didn't know that ah...you can be sure that Dave Curry will have that man's name and address this afternoon. Ah...I might say the board before the ah...approp- riations committee and in the sub-committee did discuss this matter in some length and Mr. Curry gave all the details as to what he had tried to do in advertising and hiring a court reporter, ah...full time court reporter on the staff. One of the problems is that one court reporter on the staff cannot do the job, my recollection is it takes something like 5 full time court reporters, plus all of the accouterments and equipment that they need plus ah...secretarial assistance in all of the office space and everything else so it isn't simply a matter of the salary that's paid to the court reporter himself, that's of course a major item, but that is only part of it. I would guess that probably not more than half of the total outlay."
"Well George, let's assume we had to buy five court reporters for $16,000 a piece. That's $80,000, and lets assume we need another five employees to back them up maybe at $10,000 apiece, that a $130,000 and with their typing and every- thing. That would be less than the deficiency appropriation that their asking for."
"Gerry, plus all of the office space and all of the other things that go into overhead in an office like this. Now let me say, I'm not recalcitrant on this and neither is the board. The fact is they did try to hire a full GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 50. My recollection time court reporter and couldn't even hire one. is they offered $19,000 or something of that general magnitude, which is way more than $13,500 and they couldn't even hire one. Ah...there was also an allogation made, and I don't know how true it is, that ah...they thought they had one and that one was blackballed, but one of the gentlemen on your side asked if that question were true and ah...there is a serious problem in hiring a full time court reporter. Let me say again Gerry, they want to go that way, they have tried to go that way, I agree with you it's the best way to go, and if there's any possible way they can do it, they will do it with this approp- riation."
"George what will this bring the total amount for court reporting services to in this fiscal year?"
"Gerry, I'm sorry I don't have the budget for the current year here. I ah...can tell you what that amount is for the coming fiscal year, but I can't tell you for the present."
"What is it for the coming fiscal year?"
"Gentleman from ah...cook, Mr. R.L. Thompson."
"Ah... Mr. Speaker, Mr. Speaker and ladies and gentleman of the House I would...rise to the point of personal priviledge. I would like to introduce to the House the Colley upergrade Center Class that's in the Gallery here. Ah...Mr. John Riley is with them, one of their instructors. I would like for you to give them a hand of applause, Represent- ative Randolph, Representative Colitz, and myself. They're from GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES our district." 51.
"The ah...gentleman from cook, Mr. Burditt."
"Ah...Gerry the answer to your question is that ah...House Bill 4129, which is appropriation for the coming fiscal year ah...shows court reporting costs in two categories. One is for contractual services, and that would be ah...people outside, $137,500. And for court reporting costs, a separate:. item which was reduced from $375,000 ah...in the orig...in the amendment, to $348,800.
"So...your...your talking in the...in the new bill about $487,000?"
"Right."
"Thank you."
"Gentleman from ah..cook, Mr. Yourell."
"Will the gentleman respond to a question we indicate to him? George, is it true...do I have this information correct that, because of the deficiency that took place as far as the budget in the Pollution Comtrol Board is concerned, that many public hearing throughout the State were terminated ah..in lieu of reviving their activities ah...because of this dificiency appropriation?"
"That's exactly right, the pollution Control Board is conducting no hearings right now because they don't have the money to pay for the court reporting services. They're having to devote their attention to other matters and ah...they are really crying for this appropriation. They've called me every single day for the last couple of weeks to see if I can't get this bill through for them so that they can. go back GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES to work in conducting their hearings."
"Well I wrote a letter some months ago to the Pollution Control Board, and the chairman of that board indicating my displeasure at the $7.00 or $6.95 court copy of the transcripts provided them during the public hearing. And I inquired at the time, why they couldn't with the machinery and equipment available to them, in their own office down town, provide the copy, seven copies that were necessary to ah... make the hearing worthwhile. And I am still waiting the answer from that board. Now in conversations with the EPA in relation to the Pollution Control Board when you go over there, not on Jefferson Street, West Jefferson Street and try to find something out ah...as to the activities relative to the Pollutuion Control Boards activities and to the EPA, they will tell you over there that all they can tell me, or anybody that goes over there is merely hearsay. Now it appears to me and its quite obvious, that the ah...ah...communication between the Pollution Control Board and the EFA is certainly lacking in something, because on 17 different occasions in this past year I have been able to find out exactly nothing from the EPA and Pollution Control Board. Now isn't it true George That...that ah...they do have the authority to transfer funds within that agency up to 5%?"
"That's right."
"Now why, if these public hearing are so important, and they tell us they are, and I have several in my area that I consider to be quite important, why didn't they in order to continue at least one or two of these public hearings affect GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 53. that transfer of fund within the agency. Ah..instead of waiting till now, and as you say, as you say they keep calling you every day for this efficiency appropriation. Now they had funds available to them merely by exercising the authority transferring funds within the agency, this was never attempted because I pointed that out not only to the EPA but to the Pollution Control Board, and of course, on three seperate occasions when I wrote to them they completely ignored my... my communication to them. So I understand the appropriation was for initially $250,000. Now are you satisfied George, that all of the public hearings throughout the state, that have been terminated because of the lack of funds in this part of the budget for the public hearings will be continued and continued to a conclusion with the addition of this money?"
"Ah...Bus, let me say several things. First the amount authorized transfer is 2% not 5% and I don't personal. know whether that 2% has been transferred. I would be a little suprised if it had not been under the circumstances. But even if has not been, 2% transfer is not going to be enough to conduct all of the public hearings that they have going. Now as for your second point, The whole purpose of the deficiency appropriation is so that they can continue the hearings that have already been initiated, and subject to other considerations such as the manpower the board members, you know the board member split up for the hearings because there's only five of them; they also have hearing officers who conduct the hearings for them, so they're doing the best job they can with the limited GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES funds they have available to them , to conduct as many hearings as they can all over the State, and...and I assure you the main purpose of this deficiency appropriation is to get them back in action so they can complete the hearings that your falking about. Now finally, Ah...let me say to you that ah...my...my experience has not been the same as your in communications with the board ah...I'm...I'm embarraged that any administrative agency in State government does not reply immediately to any State Lesiglator who writes to them, and certainly that's a matter which I will take up with both the chairman of the Pollution Control Board and the director of the Environmental Protection Agency and I'll ask them to go back through their files and contact you directly to make sure you get an answer, because certainly like any citizen of the State, and really more so because your'e a State legislator your entitled to a answers when you write to an agency like that. I might say...."
"Excuse me, go ahead George. I would. like to point out to you George that on many different occasions ah...I'm not so concerned with the fact that my communications with the board have been ah..ignored so to speak, but many of the people from my district, particularly one area of my district have written the different people involved in this activity and have found them lacking in responding to. their inquiries. Now George, I...there's only one thing that concerns me and that is I can tell you quite frankly that that two percent transfer, and I agree with you it used to be five and by legislative action we reduced it to two, and I recall that and you 're quite correct, GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 55. but that transfer has never been made within the budget of the Pollution Control Board, because I specifically asked that question and they said no because the amount that would be forthcoming from such an action would not be worth while. Well I can say to that, and its obvious, that if we could have continued one public hearing because of the two or three thousår. dollars involved for that activity, we would have been successfu and something would have been done while we were waiting for this efficiency appropriation to be ah.. finalized. Now again I want to convince you George, and everybody else in this Chambe.. that I am going to continue to insist that the Pollution Control Board do something about the cost of recor...of these transcript. because I, like Representative Shea, know for a fact through inquiry and through facts received through that inquiry that obviously, and they have proven it to me time and time again, that six dollars and ninety-five cents is just outrageous for copies of these transcripts per page, and I hope that you'11 pursue that and see that somethings done in this area."
"Ah...Bus, you can be sure that I will, let me say just a couple of things. First of all, I know one thing that ah...chairman Curry is doing is making the copies in the office. They've made arrangements to do their own zerox or duplicating copies in the office so that they don't have to buy all seven copies on the outside. Believe me Dave Curry is a lawyer, he's well aware of the...as all lawyers who have to handle these goofy court reporting fees all the time are aware, he's aware of the inordinate cost of them. Ah.. One thing that he's discussed, is the possibility of GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 56. shortening the public hearing by entering in a proceedure by which the ah...complaint and a proposed stipulation of facts are sent to the respondant at the outset. If the respondent agrees to that stipulation of facts and order can be entered and the hearing can be immensly shortened, instead of taking all that testimony in a hearing where you have to have the court reporting sitting there, because we've required that he have a court reporter sitting there, it can all be done before hand, so that there's no court reporting costs on the...on the collection of the facts that can all be stipulated to. This is a proceedure that the Federal Trade Commission has used for many years to great success and a great saving of the public funds. While I'm up let me... let me say one other thing ah...in Mr. Curry's statement before the committee he indicated that his budget allocation for court reporting in fiscal 1972 in answer to Gerry Shea's question was $194,500."
"The ah...gentleman from DuPage, Mr. Hoffman. G. L. Hoffman: Mr. Speaker, I move the previous question."
"All those in favor of the gentleman's motion say 'aye'. opposed'no'. The 'ayes' have it. Previous question been moved. The gentleman from ah...cook, Mr. Burditt to close.
"Ah...Mr. Speaker, ladies and gentleman of the House, I'm... I'm sure that you are all well aware of the issues, ah...this deficiency appropriation is to give the Pollution Control Board funds to accomplish a job which we have required them to do by statute. The amount has been pared to the absolu! bone after serious negotiations with the chairman of the board GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 57. ah..the...the...ah...appropriations committee spent a great deal of time discussing it. All five members of the board were down and they all heard these comments concerning court reporting, and it was a major thrust, both the sub-committee hearing and the appropriations committee hearing, they're well aware of the problem, they'll certainly do everything they can to correct the problem and to keep down the cost so the taxpayer: don't have to pay any more than is absolutely necessary to carry out the mandate of this legislature. Again the tdal amount of this appropriation is only $165,000, I'd appreciate your support of this bill." f
"Question is shall this bill pass? All those in favor will vote 'aye' and the opposed 'no'. Gentleman from Macon Mr. Borchers."
"Mr. Speaker, and members of the House, in cost. explaining my vote, some very interesting facts were brought out just a few moments ago by Representative Shea and one of the other Representatives, I didn't notice who, in relation to Let's look at it from the other side of this cost. In Decatur Illinois there is a man by the name of Rose, who owns the landfill around route 48, now he does not take any garbage. He's recovering, or was recovering his own land for the best interest of this...of our community and I say this as an expert on our community, and the needs of our community. A hearing that was held on the Rose case as such was such that I...I attendended it, was such that I felt was not only a waste of taxpayers money, but it was conducted in such a way that it was obvious that the hearing officer and GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVCS 58. those connected with it didn't know a thing about our community. Well...because obviously they were not from it. Now there is a Mrs. Day in Fairfield Illinois, I believe that's in Representative Blades district, and I checked up on her and her ah...her case ah... hearing for the Environmental Protection Agency. Mr. Rose was fined $1,500 for recovering his own land. Making it valuable for our community and stopped, well practical stopped. Our community...Ah... Montgomery Wards, a city square block is built on Civil War Dump. The Mrs. Day case they fined her $150.00. The charges were identical. Mrs. Day $150.00, Mr. Rose $1,500 fine. There only was one slight exception in relation to justice, Mrs. Day, in Fairfield Illinois was taking garbage. Mr. ah... Rose was not. Now here's to my mind an absolute case of injustice. There's many more things I could tell... that I could...havn't got the time allowed me here but I think it's time we teach these gentlemen a lesson, that they are going beyond what is sensible and logical for the best interest for this State or this people. In my community in relation to State accompany I can quote it. The Northwestern Railroad I can help quote it. The Illinois Power and Light I can quote it, and the stories, but I cannot take the time for these various incidences. But we have a chance to if not.. since its a expenditure that they have already spent and that has to be made up a deficiency, we can hold this off till the end and teach them that it's time that they begin to look at what their doing and what they're creating. Most of them from Chicago, they have no understanding of downstate problems and the effect down state and could care less. They're dictatoria GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 59. they are ah..ah..manditory ah..they...they could care nothing for what we think or what we want or what our best interests are, and this I can state without any question in my mind for my community, that they do not understand what is best for our community and could care less. It's time we bring a halt to some of the things that they're doing and delay them in the creation of one of the greatest political machines that this State has ever seen with autocratic powers. And I say we should hold this off for a while till the very end, last day and then let them have the money to teach them that they should keep within their budget."
"Have all voted who wished? Gentleman from cook, Mr. Lechowicz."
"Thank you Mr. Speaker, in explaining my vote, Representative Burditt stated that the above...the objec- tions that were presently proposed on this bill as far as the excessive hearing costs came up in committee. In turn director Curry mentioned that they received a new personnel officer from the ah...charge of their office and the hearings are running approximately $1,000 per hearing. Since January this cost has been reduced to approximately $700. We still aré concerned in this area for the excessive costs per hearing. Part of the cost were court reporters. In turn we had asked that the good director contact the department of personnel and see if people in this state could be trained in this area. The third item that we mentioned were the possibility of the people that were found guilty...guilty when they were imposed a fine, GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 60. part of the fine would be off the court costs. And this can be based upon the dollar amount that was needed to bring in a case, justify its position and through the courts. I hope that the sponsor of this bill makes cognizance of the facts, and in turn when the revenue appropriation comes up, we'll have an answer. I support this measure, and I ask that members of this House do as well."
"The ah..gentleman from cook, Mr. Epton."
"Mr. Speaker, and ladies and gentleman of the House, in explaining my vote, as you can see I am voting in favor of this appropriation. But I did want Representative Burditt to know that Representative Yourell's experience is not unique. I, on the floor of this House, previously indicated that chairman Curry was derelect in responding to inquiries. The fact is, that dispite three written inquiries to him, I have not heard from him and I mentioned it on the floor of the House, George, it still didn't seem to shake him up. And although he is a member of my district, and a member of my party, apparently he's being quite fair in ignoring both the Democrats and the Republicans."
"Clerk will take the record. Alright...the gentleman from Kane, Mr. Hill."
"Mr. Speaker and Ladies and gentleman of the House I want to voice my complaint in regards to not only the board but the EPA and the Attorney General's office. If you people would ever try to find out what is happening to one of the cases that these people have, from Aurora Illinois to Chicago GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES is only 38 miles and the phone bill certainly shouldn't run too high. But you can spend a ten dollar bill trying to find out where these cases are. And I'd like to point out to Mr Burditt, only because he has made the statement that he's going to talk to these people, to try to straighten things out. I've had this same problem, and as of today Mr. Curry hasn't answered any of my phone calls. I've had calls from his secretary when you start questioning them about a certain case and they don't know anything about it. So you end up spending money...a ten dollar bill is nothing when you start making phone calls to either the board, the EPA or the Attorney General's office relative to these cases that the citizens of my district would like to know something about. And I certainly would suggest, ah.. George, that you go to these people and explain to them, that the people in various district are vitally interested in this particular field, and they want the informa- tion, and if the Legislators can't get the information, how do you expect a citizen that is interested in one of these cases to get it. I've had alot of complaints about these three areas. And I wish, certainly that you would do something about it."
"On this.... Gentleman from ah... Christian, Mr. Tipsword."
"Thank you Mr. Speaker, I appreciate the fact of getting to say a little something on this bill. I regret that the debate on it was cut off so early that some of us could not voice some of the things that constituents in our -various-districts-had-requested that we bring before this House. GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 62. Ah...matters that I think would be vitally important to this House. I had the pleasure just recently of meeting with the environmental ah...committee of the Chamber of Commerce of the city of Decatur, Illinois, and their experience is not unique. And this is one of the matters that this bill covers that they discussed with me on that day. This bill that you have voted in now, and which I wish to have the opportunity to have voted against, is a bill which demonstrates the imprac- tibility ah...the impracticality and I might say a view that is previlant among the people throughout the State of Illinois to arrogance of the Board of the Environmental Pollution Control. Not only in the manner in which they've handled the people's funds, in which they seem to think there is not bottom to the barrell, of the revenues that the people can pay to the state of Illinois or to the local municipality upon which they...ah.. they apply some of their impractical requirements. The people who talked to me from the Decatur Chamber of Commerce indicated to me that the industries were experiencing the same problems of impracticality. They are required to put up bonds and to build matter for which there are at present no technical scien- tific data and required to guarantee that these matters will work, without giving any time to prove whether they will or will not and if they can be changed, and be subject to fines and subject to the various actions of the board. The municipal- ities have suffered the same difficulty in trying to build sewers and trying to find out the regulation that would apply. I suggest and would like to have had the opportunity to suggest GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 63. that we hold this off and indicate to the board how impractical they are and that the experience that the people are having with them throughout the State of Illinois. The law is good and the law must be enforced, but it must be enforced with practicality and with decency and with a lack of arrogance. And I think this board should know that. Thank you Mr. Speaker.
"On this question there are 131 'ayes' 9 'nays'. Gentleman from cook, Mr. Douglas."
"Mr. Speaker, I realize time is very short, however I think it's important that something positive be said about the board aswell. I've been waiting quite some time with my hand up, and I appreciate just one moment to make a brief statement. As a member of the environment committee and chairma of one of it's sub-committees, while I recognize that there are those who have just criticizms of the way in which they and their constituents may have been treated by the board, my exper- iences to the contrary, have been very meaningful and worthwhile. In dealing with them as a member of the environment committee and a chairman of the sub-committee, they have been agreeable they have been cooperative and they have been very helpful. And whil it may well be true that too much money have been spent on the reports that we have referred to, those reports have been extrem-- ly helpful to those of us who have been trying to accumulate material in this area. And while I also have concernes about the operation of the Pollution Control Board, I would like it to be said on the floor of this House that we have found many positive things to say about our relationship with them. Thank You." GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 64.
"In this bill having received a constitution- al majority is hereby declared passed. Now on the order of Senate Bills second reading. What purpose the ah...gentleman from Randolph, Mr. Holloway rise?"
"Mr. Speaker and Ladies and gentleman of the House, on behalf of Clyde Choate and myself I'm very happy to present to you, sitting in the Gallery immediately behind me, The five honor students from the Perry County School System from Pinknyville and DuQuoine, Illinois here today visiting the Capital with their Chaperone, and teacher. Let's give them a nice hand. I might also add that they're going to attend the Dean Barringer dinner this evening. Thank you Mr. Speaker."
"Here's ah...senate bil1 1130."
"Senate Bill 1130. Bill for an act to amend the Public Aid Code. Second reading of the bill. Two committee amendments. Amend Senate Bill 1130 on page 1 by striking lines 29 through 34 and inserting in lieu thereof the following: henceforth."
"Gentleman from cook, Mr. Moore."
"Thank you Mr. Speaker, ladies and gentleman of the House. Amendment no. 1 was unanimously adopted, Mr. Speaker in committee, what it does is change the effective date of the act to January 1, 1973. There is no opposition to the amendment and I would appreciate the adpoption of the amend+ ment."
"Discussion. All those in favor of the adoption of the amendment say'aye' opposed 'no. The 'ayes' have it the amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?" GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 65.
"Committee amendment no. 2. Amend Senate Bill 1130..."
"Gentleman from cook, Mr. Moore."
"Yes this is another agreed amendment in committee ah...Mr. Ah... Speaker, That changes the word and'to or, which gives the employees a little more flexibility up in cook County. I know of no opposition to it. It's an agreed amend- ment, and I move its adoption, Mr. Speaker."
"Discussion? All those in favor of the adoption of the amendment say 'aye'. Opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?".
"Ah...Amendment No. 3. Crouts."
"Gentleman from... Alright...ah...we'll leave that bill on second reading, with the amendments that have been offered and adopted, 1 and 2. Alright, leave the House, We'll go back to House Bill. 3776."
"House Bill 3776. Bill for an act to amend section 18, to repeal section 19.21A of the revenue act, 1939. Second reading of the bill. One committee amendment. Amend House Bill 3775 page 1, line 30 by inserting after the word 'farms' the word 'nursuries', and on page 1 line 30 by inserting after the word 'also' the word 'lands', and on page 1 line 30 by inserting the word 'agriculture' the following or 'hordicultu
"The ah...gentleman from Stark, Mr. Nowlan' James D. Nowlan "Mr. Speaker and members, that committee amendment simply corrects the an inadvertance in the drafting of the legislation which left ah...nursuries out of the definition of GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 66.. agriculture. And ah...this corrects that and I move for it's adoption."
"Discussion? All those in favor of the adoption of the amendment say 'aye'. opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The amendment is adopted. Are there further amendments? "
"Amendment No. 2, Shea. Amend House Bill 3776, on page 3 by adding after..."
"Gentleman from cook, Mr. Shea."
"Mr. Speaker, ladies and gentleman of the House, Amendment no. 2 is an appropriation of $30,000,000 which will be the cost to local government in lost revenue if this bill becomes law. I requested of the sponsor a fiscal note and from the best I could assertain the lost to down state communit- ies would be some $27,000,000 or $28,000,000 in revenue and they were not able to assertain the amount of revenue lost in cook county. Now when the sponsor of this bill. Mr. Speaker I wonder if we could have a little quite, this is a rather importan amendment. At the time the sponsor of this bill presented the bill itself to the revenue committee, he talked in terms of at least $25,000,000 in lost local revenue to the communities in property taxes. He proposes some type of financing or financial arrangement where $5,000,000 of that is in fiscal '73. And another $20,000,000 be paid in fiscal '74. Which means: in fiscal '74 we would not only have to pay the $20,000,000 that is due from fiscal '73, but another $25,000,000 due in fiscal '74. What the gentleman is attempting to do is to throw a burden GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 67, of some $45,000,000 dollars into the fiscal year some months down the line and heavens knows where we're going to get the money to pay for it. And if we're going to lose this much local revenue in property tax money or in personal property tax money, and there is no sound way to replace it, there is only one place it's going to be replaced and that's in an increase in real estate taxes. So I would hope that the members of this house would support the addition money that this bill is going to cost so that we don't have an increase in local real estate taxes."
"The gentleman from cook, Mr. Simmons."
"Ah.. Parlaimentary inquiry. Ah...is it proper to amend a bill or to place on it an appropriation?
"Ah...would you repeat that please?"
"I'm questioning whether or not we can put an appropriation on this bill?"
"Mr. Speaker, when your inquiring of your parlaimentarian up there, I raised this question some months ago and it was the ruling of the chair that a bill could contain an appropriation within it."
"Ah...the ah...chair rules yes. The ah. gentleman from Stark, Mr. Nowlan."
"Mr. Speaker your ruling was yes, that that amendment is in order, or is not in order."
"The gentleman's question was whether or not an appropriation amendment could be addressed to the bill." and I took it that the gentleman from cook, Mr. Simmons, question GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 68. was predicated upon the last part of the constitution, ah.. which says that an appropriation bill shall be limited to the subject of appropriation. As long as...the chair's ruling is that as long as the appropriation deals with the subject matter of the bill that ah...that would be a matter that would be in order. And the chair has previously so ruled ah...on this same question when it has been raised in the past. Now Gentleman from ah... Stark, Mr. Nowlan."
"Mr. Speaker I would like to address myself to the amendment. I agree, ladies and gentleman that personal property tax relief is an important question, and that each of us should have an opportunity to vote upon the merits of the various proposals on third reading as those proposals are presented ah... by the respective sponsors without the albatross of spurious amendments to such proposals, which is exactly what Representativ Shea's proposed amendment is. Number 1 there is a companion to this House Bill 3776, which would provide a replacement on a dollar to dollar basis of the revenues lost if this classificatic of farm personel property is an act and it provides for a replacement on the basis of time frame in which the fiscal impact is felt by local government. That is the end of fiscal '73 and fiscal '74. Representative Shea is proposing that the appropriation be made in fiscal '73 for an impact that will be felt in fiscal '74. A type of proposal of which I have heard Representative Hanahan and others on the Democrat side of the aisle on appropriations contend and I agree is very imprudent allocations of funds and poor planning. But beyond that GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 69. Representative Shea's proposal calls for distribution of these moneys to local government and gives to local government the right to determine how much it is they would have lost without any definition of ah...terms and with what would result in gross lack of uniformity. One local unit of government might estimate that it lost so much in revenues from the enactment of this proposal. Another might use assesments in extensions from varying years whereas, the replacement proposal that is companion to this spells out very clearly the formular for dollar to dollar replacement and gives authority to the Depart- ment of Local Government to ah...authorize and make the alloca- tion. So this amendment would make unworkable a proposal which I contend we, as members of this House of Representatives, have a right to deliberate upon as it has been presented to this point on third reading, and determine at that juncture, whether or not we want to provide this type of farm personal property relief to a class, which I feel has been onerously burdened by a cruel double tax. And so I ask that every member ah... defeat ah...vote to defeat this amendment so that the merits of the bill can be deliberated upon on third reading."
"The ah...gentleman from ah...cook, Mr. Caldwell."
"Ah...Thank you Mr. Speaker. I want to take this opportunity to present a ah...150 students accompanied by ah...some of their teachers. Mrs. Washington, Mr. Short, one of the community representative Mrs. Williams. They're over on my right and to my rear. From the McCarse School in the GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 70. 29th district where Representatives Raymond Ewell and Elwood Graham are also ah...serving."
"Gentleman from cook, Mr. Simmons."
"Ah...Mr. Speaker, I...I... would like to ask... ah...have a parlaimentary inquiry. I would like to have a ruling of the chair, whether or not the subject matter of the amendment is germane to the subject matter of the bill?"
"Alright I'll look at the amendment. Alright...now the question that is now being raised by the gentleman from cook, is a different question than the question that was raised earlier and on that question that he is now raising it will be the chairs ruling that the subject matter of the amendment does not deal with the subject matter of the bill and for that reason the appropriation that this amendment would not be in order under the provisions in the constitution that: An appropriation bill shall be limited to the subject of appropriations. Subject matter of the bill is not be....is ....subject matter of the appropriation does not have anything to do with the subject matter of the bill. Alright, Gentleman from cook, Mr. Shea."
"Mr. Speaker, the bill would exclude certain personal property from local taxation. If that property was not taxed locally, local governments will loose some $25 to $30,000,000 in revenue. I think you will find there has been a fiscal note requested with the bill, and was filed by the sponsor and those are the figures that he and the Department of Local and Governmental Affairs supplied to me. This amendment is an attempt to replace that local revenue so that GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 71. local governments will not have to raise real estate taxes. Now we're just paying too damn much for real estate taxes now and I for one want to be no part or partial of any bills that are going to raise them. And that is what this bill will do unless there is sufficient money appropriated to pay for that loss. Now I would think that an amendment that would replace the revenue that is going to be lost by units of local government under that bill would be a germane amendment."
"Further amendments? Gentleman from cook, Mr. Shea."
"Mr. Speaker I'm wondering if the sponsor might hold this bill on second reading, long enough for me to work out a germane amendment to get the money back to local units of government so we won't have to raise taxes?"
"Gentleman from ah..."
"Amendment no. 2. Nolan."
"Wait... Wait a minute , the ah...gentleman from ah...Stark, Mr. Nowlan on the gentlemans request."
"Mr. Speaker ah...number 1 there is a legislative proposal to provide replacements for the money which would be lost to local governments. I contend that as a responsible proposal, that proposal and this one have been on the calendar a long time, and I see no need to wait any longer at this stage as we come to the closing days of the legislative session."
"Gentleman from cook, Mr. Shea."
"I'm wondering if I might respond to the gentleman, he in debate said that this was a spurious amendment, and talked GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 72. about replacement and since he has asperations for higher office I would just like to maybe say something on behalf of local taxpayers. Mr. Nowlan, as I understand what you're doing, and its very clever, you're shifting $20,000,000 or $25,000,000 in burden from fiscal '73 to fiscal '74. Now that's fine, whoever the next administration is, whether it be yours or mine is going to be faced with the coming up of $45,000,000 in addition money in fiscal '74. Now there's only one place you get addition money its, you raise taxes or tighten your belt, and I haven't seen too much of that. Now you tell me that this is replacing local revenue at the time it's lost. You pay your personal property tax bills the...on the first installment, May 1, that money is in the hands of local government, at least in cook county by May the 10th under the proposal so I see...."
"Gentleman from ah...cook, Mr. Hyde."
"Ah... Mr. Speaker point of order I think the gentleman has already had his debate on his amendment and that matter has been terminated, and I respectfully suggest that it is improper to go over the same ground again."
"You're points well taken. What purpose gentleman from cook, Mr. Shea, seek recognition?"
"I'd like to be heard on a point of personal priviledge. I was accused by the gentleman of aspurious amendments and he seemed to indicate that I didn't know how the money was going to get back."
"Well ah... Mr. Hyde's point was that you had started of in that direction and ah...on a point of personal GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 73. priviledge and you...you addressed yourself to that. Then you got back into the merits of the proposal after you had done that, which is an area that you had already covered twice. Ah...and so that was the reason for my ruling and that his point was well taken."
"Ah..Gentleman from ah....Yea amendment no. 2.
"Amendment no. 2 Nowlan; amend house bill 3776 on page 2, by striking lines 28 and 29 and inserting in lieu thereof the following: Section 3 this amendatory act of 1972 applies to assessments made in 1972 and thereafter and taxes payable in 1973 and thereafter. And on page 3, line...
"Gentleman from Stark, Mr. Nowlan."
"Mr. Speaker and members this amendment simply makes clear what would be the effective date of the legislation by providing that ah...this applies to assessments made in '72 and taxes payable in '73, which is of course is the intent of the proposal but this makes that chrystal clear and I move for its adoption."
"Gentleman from cook, Mr. Maragos."
"Will the sponsor of this amendment please ah.. respond to a few inquiries?"
"Yea he indicates he will."
"Because of...ah...Representative Nowlan, becaus of a fact that, .there may not be any other amendments, I have to ask you in conjunction with this amendment that you are trying to place, is there anything in these prepared by you GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 74. or members of your staff to amend your bill to cover the Supreme Court decision which has allowed $1500 homestead exemptions ah...at this time?"
"Are you reffering to the Durand Case?"
"Yes."
"No."
"Do you think there'll be any conflicts or do you think it would be superfluous in your present bill the fact that your covering household furniture and with... needed with personal property and still dealing with home- stead exemptions, do you think there might be some oyerlapping in that area? Even though they're two different types of taxes."
"The Homestead exemption is the real property exemption and this would in 3776 simply reinact the automobile and household furnishings ah...classification which exhisted prior to the adoption of the new constitution and we feel should be enacted subsiquent to ah... the new constitution."
"Alright, The gentleman from cook, Mr. Lechowicz."
"Thank you Mr. Speaker, will the sponsor of the amendment yield to a question?"
"He indicates he will."
"I agree with the amendment whole heartedly Jim, but I was wondering if you have another amendment as far as giving us a time table when the revenue that is lost will be replaced?" GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 75.
"That is... That is covered in House Bill 4433, Ted."
"And what is the time table in 4433, Jim?'
"It provides that20% of the reveneues loss to local government would be replaced as of June 1, and the remainder as of August 1 ah...next year."
"Why ah... Why the delay?"
"First I would respond Ted, by saying that the question really isn't germane to either this bill or to this amendment but that in response to your question so as to reflect the period of time in which the impact is felt by local governments and as you know the distributions ah... begin ah...generally late in June and the ah...local govern- ments have their use in that ah... following year, fiscal year."
"Well we'll talk about that on that respec- tive bill; but I thought it was germane because this amend- ment will be taking affect on an earlier date and I thought being responsible we should have the replacement at the same time. Mr. Speaker may I direct an inquiry to the Chair?"
"yes."
"Ah...Mr. Speaker, these amendments are adopted in this bill, expecially the other amendment that was adopted, will this bill be referred to the appropriations committee?"
"Alright there's nothing in amendment no. 1. concerning appropriations, nothing in amendment 3 which is GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES the ones that is now under consideration. 76. And that refers to appropriations. So what is your question?"
"I'm sorry Mr. Speaker, I thought amend- ment no. 2 dealt with appropriations, I may be incorrect."
"Well I said number 1 did not number 3 did not, number 2 did but the chair has ruled ah...on the gentleman from cook, Mr. Simmons question on 2, that the subject matter of the appropriation was not the subject matter of the bill, and in as much as the constitution requires that ah...appropriation bills shall be limited to the subject of appropriations, that it would not be proper for consideratio. So we've..2 on that basis will not be considered, so we're now on 3."
"Thank you."
"You're welcome. Questions on the adoption of amendment no. 3? All those in favor of the adoption say 'aye'. Opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it, the amendment is adopted. Further amendments? Third reading. Alright, 4433."
"House Bill 4433. Bill for an act to add sections 12 through sixteen to an act relation to State Revenue sharing with local government entities. Second reading of the bill. One committee amendment. Amend House Bill 4433 on page 2 line 2, by inserting after the word 'farms' the word 'nurseries'; and on page 2, line 2, by inserting after the word 'also' the word 'lands'; and on page 2, line 14 by inserting after the word 'agriculture' the following: or "horticultural"." GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 77.
"Gentleman from ah... Stark, Mr. Nowlan."
"Mr. Speaker this simply corrects an oversight in the drafting of the ah... legislation which inadvertently left out ah...nurseries which is part of the traditional definition of agriculture and I move for the adoption of this committee amendment."
"The ah...gentleman from cook, Mr. Shea.".
"Well, if I couldn't put an appropriation bill on a horticultural or farm bill once before can he now put farm and horticultural bill on an appropriation bill."
"I wonder if the sponsor would yield to the question? He indicates he will."
"Mr. Nowlan, ah...how much money is in this appropriation bill?"
"This appropriates $5,000,000 from fiscal '73 funds which is estimated to be 20% of the total replacement cost."
"Where is the other 80% of the replacement cost going to come from?"
"It will come from fiscal '74 funding. Mr. Speaker I would ask if this line of questioning is not ah... lacking in germanity and that it's more appropriate to third reading. The ah...amendment before you is simply a corrective amendment."
"Is there some reason that the sponsor doesn't wan to talk about the financial impact in his bill, I'll wait till third reading." GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 78.
"All those infavor of the adoption of the amendment say 'aye'. Opposed 'no! The 'ayes' have it. The amendment is. adopted. Further amendments? What purpose the gentleman from Stark Mr. Nowlan, rise?"
"Mr. speaker, in as much as I was referred to in debate earlier, I would just like to...."
"Wait until I move it to third reading. Third reading. Ο-Κ."
"Rather than upset the House in mood of the House now, would like to reserve the right to rise on the point of personal priviledge at a later time."
"On the ah... Speakers table appears ah. House Resolution 474."
"House Resolution 474. George O'Brien."
"Gentlman from Will, Mr. O'Brien."
"Mr. Speaker and members of the House, House Resolution 474 ah...down in the resolve part and going beyond the whereas's, urges the Illinois State Bar Association to establish reasonable guidelines for the defection and eliminati. in nonmeritorious medical mal-practice losses. Now ah...this was heard in Judiciary too and received as a favorable vote nine to three. Let me be brief, but get directly to the point, in communities like my own, and communities which are smaller, an action instituted against ah...the medical profession is newsworthy. It gets reported. Now if you have an action instituted against a Doctor, or an institution or several doctors when the matter gets to court the judges will be able GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 79. to distinguish ah...among the persons, as to whether or not some should be in there and some should not. And as a consequence the persons who should not be in the law suite generally get a directed verdict out. That's all well and good except in a smaller community the damage has already been done. The only point I have in this resolutuion is again a matter of fairness. And my...my suggestion to the Bar Association is to make an effort to work this out with the medical profession. It seems to me, its an element of fair play, it seems to me some area wherein we lawyers could protect someone from damage that could be done ah...before any wrong was done. I would appreciate a favorable vote."
"Further discussion. Gentleman from cook, Mr. Douglas."
"Ah...would the sponsor yield to a few questions
"He indicates he will."
"George, ah...the senate passed a resolution some months ago, Senate resolution 119, in which they called upon the medical society to deal with a not immediately related. question, but a matter which has lead to the medical society making further inquiries of the legislature. The senate asked the medical society to come up with some recommendations about the problem of the maldistribution of doctors and the difficulty of keeping adequate number of doctors in the State. And the medical society in return among their recommendations made the following reference to the question you 're bringing up in your resolution, that the state legislature could make GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 80. Illinois more attractive to physicians by improving the malpractice climate through the enactment to proposed legisla- tion. Now my question is: In this resolution is there a way that we can incorporate the results of that resolution back into this so that there will be communication between the lawyers and the doctors, and I know this is a question and I am making a statement, but I hope that there will be a way. And I'm asking you in your resolution in the whereas's allow for the breadth of communication which is neccessary to really deal with this very important question?"
"Ah...within the perimiter of the whereas's there's a reference to the point you make. Ah...ah... I can't quarrel with it, I think its a very sound...but the two of them are going to have to get together Bruce, ah...and I can't for the life of me see how these two resolutions are incompatible. I'm sure that ah... the medical society would work hand in glove with the Bar association for the ends sought in my resolution.".
"George, to continue just for a moment on this, because its such an important question to the future of medical practice, ah...in this statement there are questions like the following: The medical society is asking the legislature, and now I guess through this resolution, the Bar association the lawyers could be called upon to do this, to place a specific statute of limitations on the filing of malpractice suites and to reduce the statute of limitations for foriegn substances neglegently left in the body from 10 to 5 years, now this GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 81. kind of thing I hope, and I'm getting this on the record in the hope that it can be carried through on, could make this resolution a more ...a... a very meaningful one and I hope that this is the kind of thing with the passages of the resolution which I certanly support, that you will encourage them to do."
"Indeed I will."
"Gentleman from cook, Mr. B.B. Wolfe."
"Ah...thank you Mr. Speaker, will the gentleman yield for a question?"Are you attempting in this resolution to give immunity to the doctors by ah...rules and regulations to be provocated by the Bar association in connection with malpractice suites?"
"In no way Representative Wolfe, ah...the ah.. contention is defined by the text of the resolve. Ah... non meritorious would have to be completely agreed.by people who would view the situation. And as you and I know the manner of questions arise every day."
"In other words...ah...who is going to, I'm concerned with the protection of the everyday individual who places. You know I saw a picture called 'the Hospital' I don't know if you saw the picture."
"Ah...yes I did."
"I'm concerned with the patients protection against malpractice, and what safeguards are going to be provided ah...for that protection. If you could just explain that." GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 82.
"Well presently ah... there are...ah... the matter of safeguards of the patient in terms of the right to file an action for an eledged injury is perfectly clear. My only notic is that in some cases you get shotgun law suites filed. While again like the DRamshop Act, if you will, the good are not distinguished from the bad, and the damages done by the filing of the suite, ah...I don't have any quarrel with your point that the patient must be protected at all costs, but at the same time if there's anything we do have a need for it's, I think, a physicians and surgeons and medical type of people. And they are being influenced by the non meritorious case. Ah...and this is all I'm getting at, and actually ah.. Bernie, it's a matter to urge them to try and develop something. I'm not asking for anything in a black and white line, I'm just encouraging them to get together."
"In other words your asking for a study to determine how in the initial stages we can elminiate 'the so called shotgun complaints' that include nurses, doctors, hospitals and so forth?"
"Precicely."
"Gentleman from ah... Lake, Mr. Murphy."
"Ah...I'd like to ask the sponsor a question, please. ah... George, is there any danger here that we're setting up a group of attorneys as judge and jury on these things?"
"Representative Murphy, ah...in no way. ah...I'm not trying to tell either the doctors or the lawyers how to go about it. There have been a variety of attempts made in GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 83. different states, not by law, but by the getting together of the two professions. Ah... New Mexico, for example, if I feel I have a legitimate claim say against a doctor in a hospital I can refer my claim to a commission made up of doctors, lawyers and the public. And if they deem it to be a good claim, or if they deem it to be one that may be a good claim, they will say let her rip and we'll find doctors who can testify on your side of the case. On the other hand, if they do not deem it to be a good claim in the sense that there's a question in fact involved, they don't forbid the filing of the suite, they merely urge you not to file it. So what I'm trying to do is keep it on a really ah....an urgent and cajolery way ah. rather than try and set any firm and fast rule."
"I'm ah...just a little fearful that maybe ah... professional courtesy, professional ethics among them might ah... be making them decide in favor of other professionals as against the people."
"May I answer that, exactly the opposite is true. If a person has a valid claim in a medical mal practice case, it is frequently difficult to be able to find competent medical testimony who will go in and testify against a colligue. And if you think there's a terriffic commerodery between the lawyers and the medical profession in this field, its really not so." Hon. W., Robert Blair: "Ah...any further discussion? The question is shall the House Adopt House Resolution 474, all those in favor will say 'aye' opposed 'no'. Try it once more. All those in favor say 'aye', opposed 'no' Alright we've got five GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 84. ah...members of request. Alright ah... O'Hallaren, Hart, and ah.. McClain, and ah... D. J. O'Brien. Alright the question is shall the House adopt the resolution. All those in favor will vote 'aye' and the opposed 'no'. Have all voted who wished? The clerk will take the record. This question there are 82 'ayes' 17 'nays'. And ah... the resolution is adopted. Announce- ments. Gentleman from cook, Mr. Juckett."
"Mr. Speaker and ladies and gentleman of the House, The executive committee last week received leave of the House to hear House Bills 4674, 4675, which are Mr. Choates comptroller bills, and also House Resolution 651, and House Resolution 619, which were not posted inadvertently. And I just wanted to make the announcement that they will be heard in the executive committee immediately upon adjournment of the House."
"The ah...gentleman from grundy, Mr. Washburn.
"Thank you Mr. Speaker and ladies and gentleman of the House. Ah...purpose of an announcement, the House appropriations committee will meet at 2:30 in room 212. Thank you."
"Let's make that 2:45.".
"The House appropriations committee will meet at 2:45 in room 212. Thank you."
"Thank you. Ah...the gentleman from, livingston, Mr. Hunsicker."
"Agriculture Committee to meet in 520 at 4:00 p.: GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 85.
"Any further announcements? Gentleman from ah... Lake, Mr. Connolly."
"Mr. Speaker the Public Utilities Committee will meet immediately after adjournment."
"Alright, Gentleman from ah...cook, Mr. Hyde.'
"Ah...Mr. Speaker, just a brief announcement, I understand there is a dinner tonight for the democratic candidat for comptroller and the tickets aren't going very well, so if anybody wants to see Bob McFarland, he's got a stack of them Ah... I now move the House stand adjourned until the Hour of Eleven in the morning."
"Alright all those in favor of the motion to adjourn say 'aye'. Opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it, House stands adjourned." ADJOURNMENT AT 2:15 O'CLOCK P.M. 5/23/72 mdw. GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES