Illinois House Floor Debate — May 24, 1972

"The Doorkeeper will see that those per+ sons who are not entitled to the floor are removed therefrom. The House will be in order. The invocation this afternoon will be by Dr. Johnson."

"We pray. Lord God, we know that sometimes it is difficult for us to pray. This is perhaps one of those times. And yet, we know that you hear us even when we haltingly approach you. You know, O Lord, much more than do we both the extent and degree to which we stand in need of your guidance and counsel and your strength right now. As great issues confront the Members of this House, give them, above all, clarity of thought and purity of conviction which will enable them to discuss, to debate, and then reflect the will of the people in the decisions which they ultimately make. Grant that we may always be able to live with our own decisions. Grant that we may ever recognize the rights of others to hold to their decisions. And grant that we may always be ready to place the final disposition of all items before your tribunal. Be present with them now and ever strengthen them to acknowledge their accountability to you, the Searcher of all hearts and the Judge of all men. Give all of us now your Spirit to seek peace and to live peaceably with each other, in this House, and in this Session. We ask this in the Name of Our Savior. Amen."

"Roll call for attendance. The gentle- man from Cook, Mr. Shea.."

"Mr. Speaker, I question a quorum of this GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES  House. I would ask for an oral Roll Call and I would ask that the person get up and identify himself that he is here."

"Alright.. There are ah.. 164 Members here. That is a quorum and your request for an oral Roll Call is denied. Messages from the Senate."

"Ah.. Messages from the Senate by Mr. Wright, Secretary. Mr. I am directed to inform the House of Representatives that the Senate has passed Bills of the following titles, in the passage of which I am instructed to ask the concurrence of the House: Senate Bill 1335, 1442, 1443, 1489, 1492, 1499. Passed by the Senate, May 23, 1972. Kenneth Wright, Secretary. Mr. Wright, Secretary. Mr. Speaker I am directed to inform the House of Representatives that the Senate has passed Bills of the following titles, in the passage of which I am instructed to ask the concur- rence of the House: Senate Bill 1422, 1496, 1497 and 1498. Passed by the Senate, May 23, 1972. Kenneth Wright, Secre- tary. Mr. Speaker, I am directed to inform the House of Representatives that the Senate has concurred with the House of Representatives in the passage of a Bill of the following title: House Bill 2444... 2444, in case you didn't hear me. Passed the Senate, as amended, May 23, 1972. Kenneth Wright, Secretary."

"Committee Reports."

"Mr. Hunsicker, from the Committee on Agri- culture, to which House Bill 1071, 2185, 2186, 2302, 2694, 2695, 2696, 2697, 2833, 2845, 3575, 3576, 3610, 3617, 3668, GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES  3669, and 3670 were referred, reported the same back with the recommendation that the Bills be ordered to lie on the table, pursuant to Rule 32 (c) and 32 (d). Mr. Hunsicker, from the Committee on Agriculture, to which House Bill 4661 was referred, reported the same back with the recommendation that the Bill do pass and that it be re-referred to Appro- priations. Mr. Conolly, from Public Utilities, to which Senate Bill 1279 was referred, reported the same back with the recommendation that the Bill do pass and be placed on the Consent Calendar. Mr. Conolly, from the Committee on Public Utilities, to which Senate Bill 1557 was referred, reported the same back with the recommendation that the Bill do pass. No further Committee Reports."

"The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Hyde."

"Mr. Speaker, ah.. I move, pursuant to Rule 81, that ah.. the floor be cleared of all unauthorized personnel."

"Right.. And, in order that we can make sure of who is authorized and who isn't, the Clerk of the Floor will be cleared of all persons, other than Members. And, those persons, who are entitled under Rule 81 to be on the floor, will be readmitted, only upon identification. And ah.., Mr. Doorkeeper, ah.. will you see that ah.. those persons... that everybody is off this floor except the Mem- bers and that nobody comes back in, even though they are en- titled, until they have identification? And ah.., I want that door and these two and I want the hallways cleared of all persons other than those that I mentioned. And, I want GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES  5. those doors on both sides of the ah.. Chamber ah.. ah.. watched for that purpose. Alright.. The floor, now having been ah.. cleared of all persons other than Members, the Doorkeepers are instructed to only allow those Members.. or those persons back on the floor who are permitted to be on the floor, under Rule 81, but only upon identification. And ah.., I suggest that they... in order not to be challenged later on ah.., perhaps, pin a little ah.. ah.. identifica- tion on their ah.. ah.. attire. Alright.. The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Shea, for what purpose do you rise?"

"Mr. Speaker, I wanted to verify the electric Roll call. Now, I know that all votes will be taken by the electronic Roll call. But, that's votes. Now, I asked for a quorum... to see if a quorum of this House was present. Certainly, the Speaker made the first step in that direction by using his power, under Rule 81, to clear the House. But, as I look around, I see a number of empty seats. And, I just wanted to make sure that we had a sufficient number of Members on this floor to conduct the business of this House."

"Alright.. Under what Rule are you pre- ceding?"

"Mr. Speaker, ah.. I think it's a Rule in the sixties. I don't...."

"Well, you name the Rule. I'm not going.. I'm not prepared to rule unless you name a particular Rule under which you're ah.. requesting the Chair to direct its attention. While we're waiting on that, further Committee GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES  Reports." 6.

"Mr. Juckett, from the Executive Committee, to which House Bill 4674 was referred, reported the same back with the Amendments thereto, with the recommendation that the Amendments be adopted and that the Bill, as amended, do pass. Mr. Juckett, from the Executive Committee, to which House Bills 4656, 4657, 4658, 4659, 4660, 4675 were referred, reported the same back with the recommendation that the Bills do pass. Mr. Juckett, from the Executive Committee, to which was referred House Resolution 591, was referred and reported the same back with the recommendation that the resolution be not adopted. Mr. Juckett, from the Executive Committee, to which was referred House Resolution 612, reported the same back with the recommendation that the resolution be not adopted. Mr. Juckett, from the Executive Committee, to which House Resolution 613 was referred, reported the same back with the recommendation that the resolution be not adopted. Mr. Juckett, from the Executive Committee, to which House Resolution 619 was referred, reported the same back with the recommendation that the resolution be not adopted. And, Mr. Juckett, from the Executive Committee, to which House Resolution 651 was referred, reported the same back with the recommendation that the resolution be not adopted."

"Introduction and First Reading."

"Ah.. House Bill 4676, Regner, a Bill to make an appropriation for the ordinary and contingent ex- GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES  penses of the Joint Legislative Commission of Economic Advi sors. First Reading of the Bill."

"The ah.. gentleman from ah.. Cook, Mr. Shea. Have you found the Rule now that ah..."

"Yes, but..."

"Alright.."

"We got a little bit farther than I wanted to real quick...."

"Well...."

"I would make a reqtest that all Bills in this House be read in full on all stages of the proceedings. I realize full well that the Constitution no longer requires it, but I understand full well that the Rules of this House do require it. Now, with regards to my question on a quorum call, Rule 73 says, 'when a call of the House or a vote shows that there is not...."

"What Rule?...."

"Rule 73, Mr. Speaker. It says, 'when a call of the House' and I am requesting a call of the House to see if there is a quorum present. Or, 72, Mr. Speaker."

"Alright.. The gentleman has asked for a call of the House ah.. pursuant to Rule 72. So, ah.. we will take that by a record Roll call. All Members present will so indicate by voting ah.. on the Roll Call 'aye'. There are a hundred and one persons voting and that's a quorum. For what purpose does the gentleman from Cook, Mr. Shea, rise?" GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

8 Gerald W. Shea: "Under Rule 63, I request a verification."

"Alright.. Now, I'm going to allow the first verification. Although, under that Rule, which is ah.. ah.. the Chair's Ruling that ah.. that only pertains to Roll call votes, not to calls of the House. But, we will verify it this.. this ah.. particular quorum call of the House. Ah.. the Members will be in their seats. That means every Member. Alright.. The Clerk will proceed to call the attendance Roll Call for those persons present."

"Anderson.. Arrigo.. Bartulis.. Blades.. Bluthardt. Borchers.. Brenne.. Burditt.. Caldwell.. Campbell.. Capparelli.. Capuzi.. Clabaugh.. Colitz.. Phil Collins.. Conolly.. Corbett.. Cox.. L. Cunningham.. R. Cunningham.. Day.. Duff.. Dyer.. Epton.. Fleck.. Friedland. Gibbs. Glass.. Graham.. Granata.. Hall.. Harpstrite.. Henss. Hirsch- feld.. Ron Hoffman.. Hudson.. Hunsicker.. Hyde.. Janczak.. Jones.. Juckett.. Kahoun.. Karmazyn.. Kipley.. Kleine.. Lauterbach.. Lehman.. Lindberg.. Londrigan.. Ed Madigan.. Mann.. Matijevich.. McAvoy.. McCormick.. McDevitt.. McLendon.. McMaster.. Merlo. Meyer.. Kenney Miller.. Peter Miller.. Moore.. Murphy.. Neff.. North.. Nowlan.. D. O'Brien.. G. O'Brien.. O'Hallaren.. Palmer. Pappas.. Pierce.. Randolph. Regner.. Ropa.. Rose.. Schlickman.. Sevcik.. Shapiro.. Shea.. Simmons.. Timothy Simms. Smith.. Soderstrom.. Springer.. Telcser.. Jack Thompson.. R. Thompson.. Tuerk.. Waddell.. Wall.. R. Walsh.. W. Walsh.. Walters.. Washburn.. Genoa Washington.. Williams... Frank Wolf.. J. J. Wolf.. Zlatnik.. GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES  9. Mr. Speaker.."

"Alright.. The questions of the ah.. of those voting ah.. ah.. present. The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Shea."

"Representative Burditt?"

"How is he shown on the Roll Call?"

"The gentleman is recorded as voting 'pre- sent'... 'aye'."

"Is he in his seat, Mr. Speaker? Oh! There he comes. Representative Conolly?"

"How.. How's the gentleman shown?"

"The ah.. gentleman is shown as voting 'yea'."

"Alright. He is not present. So, take..."

"Representative Nowlan?"

"Take.. Take him off the attendance Roll call."

"How's the gentleman from Stark, Mr. Nowlan, shown?"

"The gentleman ah.. is recorded as voting 'yea'."

"He's not in his seat. So, take him off ah.. the quorum call."

"Representative Philip?"

"How's he shown?"

"The gentleman is recorded as 'not voting'."

"I have no further questions." GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES  10.

"Conolly is there in the aisle. So, put him back on the attendance call. Alright.. on this ques- tion, there are a hundred ah.. present and that is a quorum. The ah.. gentleman ah.. ah.. from ah.. Cook, Mr. Carroll, for what purpose do you rise?"

"Mr. Speaker, before there is an official announcement of that, I would like to know how I was re- corded on the Roll."

"It's already been verified. And, once the matter has been verified ah..., and the questions were asked by the person who requested, ah.. and it's announced, then that's it. So, if you care to find out, you may come up here. I... For the record, which is being transcribed, Representative Carroll from Cook County is on the floor. Now, if you want to come up and see if you're on the Roll Call, you may do so. Alright.. Ah.. The ah.. gentlemen from ah.. ah.. Cook, Mr. Lechowicz, for what purpose do you rise?"

"Mr. Speaker, before the Roll Call was verified, I was ah.. trying to ah.. seek your recognition to be recorded as 'present'."

"Well, that matter has gone by. But, I will state, through the record, that you are indeed present. The gentleman from ah.. Cook, Mr. Douglas."

"I also tried to attract your attention, Mr. Speaker. I'd like to be recorded as 'present'."

"We're not going to ah.... The.. The Roll Call is already ah.. ah.. been ah.. verified. And ah... GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES  and.. and the results have been ah.. announced. For what purpose does the gentleman from Cook, Mr. B. B. Wolfe, rise?"

"Ah.. Mr. Speaker, a point of parliamentary inquiry, if I may. Was the ah... Was this verification the verification of the attendance Roll that was taken at the opening of the Session or was it merely the verification of a Quorum Call which was made subsequent to the attendance record?"

"No and yes. The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Scariano."

"Ah.. may the record show that I'm on the floor, Mr. Speaker."

"House Bills Second Reading. The ah.. There has not been an indication to the Chair that any Mem- bers, who have Bills on Second Reading, desire for those ah.. to be ah.. called. And, so ah.. I would suggest ah.. for a few minutes here why we'll wait that there's an indication of any Member that has a Bill on Second Reading and desires it to be called ah.. for Second Reading, the Chair will ah.. consider doing that. The gentleman from ah.. Cook, Mr. D. J. O'Brien, for what purpose do you rise?"

"Mr. Speaker, on a point of personal privilege ah.. my Mother told me that there would be days like this. So, I would like to take this opportunity to introduce to this House, in the Gallery right behind me, my Father and my Mother and my Brother, Patrick. Well, not.. not days just like this, but almost." GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES  12.

"Alright.. 4437."

"House Bill 4437, a Bill for an Act to amend the 'Revenue Act'. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Amendments from the floor? The gentleman from ah.. Cook, Mr. Shea, for what purpose do you rise?"

"Mr. Speaker, I've requested of the Chair that all Bills be read in full."

"State your Rule."

"Rule 37."

"Rule 37 provides 'that every Bill shall be read at large on three different days'. The question of construction is what does at large mean. In order to make that provision coincide with the provision of the State Con- stitution, ah.. which provides 'that a Bill shall be read by Title on three different days in each House. It's the Chair's Ruling that at large simply means that it shall be read before the House and that the ah.. Constitutional ah.. mandate that it shall be read by Title will be followed. So, the readings by the Clerk satisfies the Rule as the Chair interprets the Rule."

"Mr. Speak... Mr. Speaker, I respectfully dissent from the Chair's Ruling and ask that my comments by journalized. because, I think, we're putting this Bill in jeopardy."

"Third Reading. For what purpose does GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES  13. the gentleman from ah.. Cook, Mr. Ewell, rise?"

"Mr. Speaker, I have an Amendment."

"Well, I.. I asked the Clerk for further... if there were any Amendments and ah.. and ah.. I.. I didn't ah.. Well, there is a ah.. piece of paper here which says, 'Amendment to House Bill 4437' with no indication of anyone being a Sponsor on it. And, also it says, 'Amendment No. blank'. Well, I understand why the Clerk when I asked for Amendments, said that there ah.. that there was no indica- tion that there were any before him."

"Well,..."

"The Chair has no further requests for any ah.. Bills to be read on Second Reading. House Bills Third Reading. We'll go back to Second Reading. There is one Bill. 4.. Back to Second.. 4408."

"House Bill 4408, a Bill for an Act to pro- vide for the timely deposit of fees collected pursuant to law by any elected or appointed official of local government. Second Reading of the Bill. Second Reading of the Bill. One Committee Amendment. Amend House Bill 4408 on page 1,..."

"The gentleman from McLean, Mr. Hall."

"Ah.. Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, House Bill 4408 ah.. relates itself to the ah.. depositing of fees ah.. by County and ah.. Municipal ah.. ah.. Treasurers ah.. on a regular basis in accordance with the Constitution. Ah.. this ah.. Amendment changes the word- ing so that the ah.. deposits have to be made ah.. at least GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES  monthly and can be made at any other time. I move for the adoption of the Amendment."

"Discussion? All those in favor of the adoption of the Amendment say 'aye',... We have ah.. five ah.. Alright.. Ah.. Mr. Mike Madigan, from Cook, Mr. O'Hallaren, Mr. Yourell from Cook, Mr. ah.. Bradley from McLean, Mr. Berman from Cook. Alright.. On the adoption of Amendment No. 1, to House Bill 4408, all those in favor will vote 'aye' and the opposed 'no'. Have all voted who wished? The Clerk will take.... Ah.. take the record. On this question, there are ah.. 77 'Ayes' and no 'Nays' and ah.. for what purpose does the gentleman from Cook, Mr. O'Hallaren, rise?"

"Ah.. Mr. Speaker, I wasn't able to get on the ah.. my.. my switch. I'd like to be recorded as voting 'aye'. And, also I would like to poll the absentees."

"Well, any Member can... What Rule are you ah.. asking for polling the absentees under?"

"Well, if you'll just wait a second, I'll get my little book."

"The gentleman from ah... Well, while he's ah.. looking at the point, I'll recognize the gentleman from McLean, Mr. Hall."

"Ah.. Mr. Speaker, in view of the fact that there were no dissenting votes ah.. against this Amendment, it would ah.. seem that the request is a dilatory move and I ah.. respectfully ah.. request the Chair to go on to continuing GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES  business."

15 Hon. W. Robert Blair: "Well, Rule 63 does provide that, 'any Member may demand a verification of the Roll Call vote. And, this ah.. was a Roll Call vote. The gentleman from ah.. ah.. But, there has not been a ah.. a request for a veri- fication. There has been a request to poll the absentees. And ah.., I have asked the gentleman from ah.. Cook, Mr. O'Hallaren to cite the Rule that he's referring to on polling the absentees. The gentleman from Cook, Mr. O'Hallaren."

"Well, Mr. Speaker, with all due re- spect ah.., as long as I've been in this House, I've never heard that there is a written Rule in our Rule Book relative to polling the absentees. And, I notice that the Speaker has ah.. allowed this on previous occasions and I would like to know under what Rule he allowed it."

"Courtesy of the Chair."

"And then, may I have the same courtesy, please?"

"The gentleman from McLean, Mr. Hall."

"Well, Mr. Speaker, ah.. ah.. I recognize the privilege of the Chair ah.. at times ah.. when it indicated.. indicates that it might have some meaning. I ah.. reiterate that there were no dissenting votes on behalf of ah.. against this Amendment. And, it would seem that ah.. ah.. that the request need not be approved in view of the fact that it's dilatory."

"Well, I ah.. I agree. This is a ques- GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES  tion that's decided by a simple majority vote. And ah... there were 77 'Ayes' and no 'Nays' and.. and it would appear that the gentleman's ah.. objection on the question that this being a dilatory question inasmuch as the gentleman could not find a Rule for that provision, the Chair will so hold. The gentleman from ah.. Cook, Mr. Shea."

"Mr. Speaker, how am I recorded on the ah.. vote?"

"How is ah.. the gentleman from.Cook recorded?"

"The ah.. gentleman is recorded as 'not voting'."

"May I be recorded as 'present', please?"

"Record the gentleman has 'present'. Any ah.. further Amendments?"

"Amendment No. 2, Hall, amend House Bill 4408 on page 1, by deleting lines 18 and 19 and inserting in lieu thereof the following:..."

"The gentleman from ah.. McLean, Mr. Hall."

"Ah.. Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, Amendment No 2, in respect to this same Bill, ah.. clarifies the language in the last sentence ah.. in respect to certain fees that are not properly ah.. in control. of the Municipality involved. Ah.. these fees are actually in a state of limbo or escrow. And ah.., we are trying to define these fees. And, I move for the adoption of Amendment GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES  No. 2, to 4408."

"Is there discussion? The question from Bureau, Mr. Barry."

"Will the Sponsor yield to a question?"

"He indicates he will."

"Harber, I don't find anything about fees in the last line, as you ah.. attempted to explain it. Would you ah.. explain it again to me, please?"

"Ah.. I.. I'll be happy to.."

"Ah.. I'm looking at the Bill and I see nothing about fees in the last line. Do you mean Section II, the last paragraph?"

"Well, the last.. the last sentence ah.. Excuse me, I meant the last sentence when I said the last line. The last sentence ah..."

"The last sentence says, 'such Officials, how- ever, may maintain overpayments, tax redemptions, trust funds and special funds as provided for by Law or Ordinance'. It has nothing to do with fees."

"Ah.. yes. This clarifies which monies ah.. Ah.. the fee money must be deposited. But, there are certain other monies ah.. that come into the hands of certain treasurers, County and.. and City ah.. ah.. Treasurers that they ah.. ah.. are not properly accountable to the Munici- pality for whom they serve. These fees, we are not requir- ing to be deposited in accordance with this proposed Bill."

"Well then, where would they be deposited?" GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS

HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES  Harber H. Hall: "That would be ah.. a matter of ah.. ah.. the policy of that particular Treasurer. If he's asked to ah.. hold ah.. in his custody property or monies belonging to others, ah.. he would have the authority to determine where that would be held. And, I presume that would be upon negotiation with those who properly ah.. ah.. would be re- flected as owners of that money."

"Well, let me ask this question. Your ah.. Amendment No. 2 says, 'that the public official may maintain overpayments'. Now, I don't think that this is a good Amendment because there's no limitation on what that over- payment may be. We may be dealing in pennies. We may be dealing in hundreds of thousands of dollars. Ah.. dc you think that it's a good Amendment in spite of the fact that ah.. could be the case?"

"Well, obviously, an overpayment ah.. is not money properly belonging to the Municipality involved and should not ah.. ah.. The control of that should not be dictated by State Legislation. We are ah.. trying to ah.. protect the money properly belonging to the Municipality ah.. in- volved. And ah.., heretofore, before this Bill, ah.. if it passes, ah.. there's been nothing statutorily ah.. proclaim- ing what's to be done with ah.. money held by Treasurers of Municipalities ah.. that belong to the Municipality. That is to say, that a County Circuit Clerk or a County Treasurer could ah.. ah.. keep the money in his desk drawer or he could take it home or keep it in a shoe box. Ah.. this specifies GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES  19. that it will be deposited on a regular basis. Ah.. monies that don't belong to the Municipality, ah.. we ah.. ah.. again, reiterate with this Amendment 2 that ah.. that would ah.. be ah.. in his control. Of course, it's pointed out that he is a bonded official and, if he would abscond with anybody's money, ah.. he would be subject to other statutes."

"But, Harber, correct me if I'm wrong. But, ah.. that last sentence seems to indicate the exception to the Rule that is ah.. recited in Section II by the first full ten line sentences or thereabouts in that the last sentence that you are attempting to correct by this Amend- ment suggests that the Official may maintain monies other than in an account, if I understand the Amendment correctly. And, if I.. I do, I might add that I think it's a bad Amend- ment."

"Well, this.. this pertains to ah.. regular depositing ah.. as per... prescribed place. Monies that be- long to the Municipalities such as taxes and fees. Other monies that we can't enumerate or specify that ah.. ah.. are asked to be held in escrow in someone's office, ah.. have... ah.. ah.. are beyond the control, we suspect, of the General Assembly and ah.. through the statutes. Ah.. we are protecting only certain monies that ah.. we ah.. control through statutory provisions to collect the money in the first place."

"Is there further ah.. discussion? The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Berman."

"Mr. Speaker, I respectfully request a Roll GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES  20. Call vote on this Amendment and I'd request that I'd be marked as voting 'present'."

"Ah.. Alright.. Mr. Berman.. Mr. O'Hallaren.. Mr. Matijevich and Mr. McGah and ah.. Mr. Carroll and ah.. Mr. McLendon. The question is on the ah.. adoption of the Amendment. All those in favor will vote 'aye', and the opposed 'no'. For what purpose does the gentleman from ah.. Cook, Mr. Shea, rise?"

"May I be recorded as 'present'?"

"Record the gentleman as 'present'. Record Mr. Carroll 'present'. Mr. D. J. O'Brien.. 'present'. Mr. Downes.. 'present'. Mr. Hart.. 'present'. Mr. McPartlin.. 'present'. Mr. Kennedy.. 'present'. Mr. McLendon.. 'present'. Mr. Krause.. 'present'. Would you sit down after I recognize you, please, so I ah..? Mr. ah.. Tipsword.. 'present'... Mr. Bradley.. 'present'. Mr. Welsh.. 'present'. Mr. Stedelin.. 'present'. Mr. Flinn.. 'present'. Mr. Hamilton.. 'present'. Mr. Jacobs.. 'present'. Ah.. Mr. Colitz.. 'present'. Mr. Alsup.. 'present'. Mr. Holloway.. 'present'. Ah.. Mr. Craig.. 'present'. Mr. Houlihan.. 'present'. Mr. R. L. Thompson.. 'present'. Mr. Garmisa.. 'present'. Mr. Frank Smith.. 'present'. Ah.. Mr. Fennessey.. 'present'. Mr. Maragos.. 'present'. Mr. Scariano.. 'present'. Mr. Rayson. 'present'. Mr. Barry.. 'present'. No.. you want to explain your vote? Any more 'presents'? Mr. McClain.. 'present'. Mr. Leon.. 'present'. The gentleman from Bureau, Mr. Barry."

"In explaining my vote, Mr. Speaker, I'd be re- GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES  miss if I didn't inform my friend, Mr. Hall, that the Amend- ment is not in proper form. If you'll read it, Harber, you'll find that the ah.. language that you mean to insert ends with a period which means then that you are knocking out the last two lines of the Bill in fact or, at least, there's a period prior to the last two lines of the Bill and there is no new sentence starting. And so, therefore, I think this.. this Amendment should be withdrawn and redrafted."

"The gentleman from ah.. McClain, Mr. Hall."

"Ah.. Representative Barry, you are entirely correct. I noticed that myself. I encircled it and sent it down to Mr. Bobbitt pointing that out and I intend to correct this in the Senate. Unless the Clerk can make a correction at this... at this ah.. stage by ah.. crossing out the period, I would respect... respectfully suggest that ah.. we pass this and send it over to the Senate where it will be corrected. Can it be changed in Enrolling and En- grossing by ah.. a mark by the Clerk?"

"Yes, that's a matter that can be handled in Enrolling and Engrossing here in the House. Barry.. 'no'."

"Thank you, Mr. Barry, for suggesting that."

"The gentleman from Cook, Mr. O'Hallaren."

"Ah.. Mr. Speaker, ah.. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, at the appropriate time, I would ask ah.. for a verification. But, I think, from what we've been doing in the past few weeks is ah.. polling the absentees GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES  22. first. And, I would ask that privilege, at the appropriate time."

"The ah.. gentleman from Champaign, Mr. Hirschfeld.""

"Well, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentle- men of the House, I ah.. would not want to take away any of the distinguished Representative's rights. But, it seems to me that this is plainly dilatory. And, under Robert's Rules of Order, which is all we have to turn to in a situa- tion like this, it sets forth quite clearly what should happen with dila... with dilatory motions. And, it states that a motion is dilatory if it seeks to obstruct or thwart the will of the Assembly as clearly indicated by the existing parliamentary situation. And, it goes on in greater length and, of course, it gives the Chair the right, naturally to always be courteous and fair. But, it is to be at the same time firm in protecting the Assembly from imposition. And, I must say, in all sincerity, that, I think, it is an imposi- tion on the rest of the Members of this House, to persist in these dilatory motions. And, I would sincerely appreciate that if the Chair would rule that it is dilatory and proceed with the business of the General Assembly. If you've an opportunity of reading the newspapers lately, you would notice that many of the youngsters that come down here and visit the House have been extremely upset by what they think is dilatory motions on our part anyway. When they are so obviously dilatory, I think they should be eliminated." GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS

HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES  Hon. W. Robert Blair: "Alright.. On the ah.. gentleman ques- tion from ah.. ah.. Champaign, ah.. Mr. Hirschfeld, of course, Rule 63 provides that any Member may demand a verification of a Roll call vote. And, even though the Chair agrees with ah.. gentleman's comments ah.. concerning ah.. ah.. the request, ah.. the Chair still feels that that Rule is.. is one that ah.. does require ah.. ah.. enforcing ah.. by the Chair at least at this time. Alright... The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Richard Walsh, for what purpose do you rise?"

"Ah.. in line with.. with what the gentleman said, would it expedite the verification somewhat, if some of those who are voting 'green' ah.. not vote? Therefore, in that case, I'm going to unvote myself and hope that we can go on with the business of the House."

"Yes, I think that the ah.. gentleman makes a ah.. very good point. This is a matter that simply takes a ah.. that takes a simply majority. And ah.., that just means more 'ayes' than 'nays'. And, we have to verify all of the affirmative, ah.. that point is well taken. The Clerk will take the record. There are 51 'Ayes' and 12 'Nays' and 22 'Present'. The ah.. gentleman from Cook, Mr. O'Hallaren, for what purpose do you rise?"

"Well, Mr. Speaker, I would ask to poll the absentees."

"Well, the ah... Your request ah.. is denied for the reason that I gave before. The gentleman from Cook, Mr. O'Hallaren." GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS

HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES  Bernard J. O'Hallaren: "Then under... Mr. Speaker, then under ah.. Section 63, I would ask for a verification."

"Alright.. The Members will all be in their seats. And, the Staff people in the aisle over here will kindly get down so ah.. we can ah.. observe the veri- fication. If the Members have to be in their seats, the least we can expect out of the Staff Members is not ah.. to be in the way. Alright.. Proceed to verify the affirmative."

"Anderson.. Borchers... Burditt.. Campbell.. Capuzi.. Clabaugh.. Conolly.. Roscoe Cunningham.. Day.. Dyer.. Epton.. Graham.. Granata.. Hall.. Henss.. Hirschfeld.. Gene Hoffman.. Ron Hoffman.. Hunsicker.. Janczak.. Kahoun.. Karmazyn.. Kipley.. Lauterbach.. Lehman.. Ed Madigan.. Matijevich.. McAvoy.. McCormick.. McDevitt.. Kenney Miller. Peter Miller. Murphy.. Neff.. Randolph.. Regner.. Schlickman.. Schoeberlein.. Sevcik.. Shapiro.. Timothy Simms.. Soderstrom.. Springer.. Telcser.. Jack Thompson.. Waddell.. Walters.. Genoa Washington.. J. J. Wolf.. Zlatnik.. Mr. Speaker.."

"Questions of the affirmative? The gentleman from ah.. Cook, Mr. O'Hallaren."

"Mr. Epton?"

"How's the gentleman recorded?"

"The gentleman is recorded as voting 'aye'."

"He's not in his seat. Take him off the record."

"R. Cunningham?"

"How's the gentleman recorded?" GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES  25.

"The gentleman is recorded as voting 'aye'."

"Take him off the record."

"Kahoun?"

"He's there."

"Ah.. McCormick?"

"He's there."

"Pete Miller?"

"McCormick's there. Miller's there."

"J. J. Wolf?"

"He's there."

"North?"

"North's there."

"Houde?"

"Well, North is not voting. How's Houde recorded?"

"The gentleman is recorded as 'not voting'."

"Ah.. Houde?"

"He's recorded as 'not voting'."

"Moore?"

"How's he... He's there."

"McAvoy?"

"He's there."

"Zlatnik?"

"How's he recorded? Oh! He's there."

"Ed Madigan?"

"How's he recorded?"

"The ah.. gentleman is recorded as voting GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES  'aye'."

"Well, he's not in his seat. Take him off."

"Duff?"

"How's he recorded?"

"'Not voting'."

"That's all, Mr. Speaker. Thank you."

"On this question, there are 48 'Ayes', 13 'Nays', 21 'Present' and ah.. 22 'Present' and the ah.. Amendment is adopted. Are there further Amendments?"

"Amendment No. 3, Ewell, amend House Bill 4408 on page 1, by striking the Enacting Clause."

"The gentleman from ah.. Cook, Mr. ah.. Ewell."

"Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, I, above all people, do not believe in dilatory tactics. I think what we must do here is look at the heart of the mat- ter. Now, Legislator's interests must be a little longer than the rivers and dams in his District and his scope must be a little wider than the creeks and sloughs. And, there- fore, I have look at this particular Bill and have determined that it would be good for the people of the entire State if we struck the Enacting Clause. I'd like to say that what this Bill does, in effect, it gives a backhanded indictment of the Mayors, Treasurers, Public Officials of this State with and without cause. I can understand the harsh criticism that might come from some Districts. But, I can not believe 26 GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES  27. in an indictment that would be as broad as this because this indictment would extend, not only to the large City of Chicago and not only to the Northern Cities like Rockford, but it would reach down to the smaller Cities like Cairo and the tip of our State. And, it would indict the Treasurer. It would say that your present method is not good enough. That some how or another, you have been purloining the money that belongs to the people or to the State. This is a serious charge, Mr. Speaker, and it should not be leveled in a shotgun blast. It should be leveled at each individual District. If there's some reason for us to believe that the Treasurer of Bensonville is not doing the right thing, should we not leave this to the people of Bensonville to decide? Why should we, as Members of this Legislature, in- voke our wisdom and seek. to take away the Home Rule Powers of such Communities as Aurora and Lincoln. Mr. Speaker, I think we're doing a grave and serious injustice when we allow this Bill to stand. Because, as it is written, it would cast that inference that somehow some people in a Village like Antioch might not be doing the right thing. Mr. Speaker, I think that this is a serious charge. It's something that the Legislature should take into the utmost consideration before we decide to tinker in the internal affairs of all of the Public Officials of the State of Illinois. The ramifications of this Bill are numerous. What we're going to do by enacting this Legislation is make City Councils all over the State pass new Laws, change their GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES  accounting systems, change, perhaps, the banking systems that they have. And, we are, in general, going to cause chaos and disruption beyond our intention. Mr. Speaker, if we would give this Bill adequate consideration, we would determine what havoc we're about to play upon the people of the State. And I, from a large City, find that it is neces- sary to enlarge my scope and vision and not narrow it down to only my own selfish interest in the Twenty-Ninth District. And, I must try to somehow arise as a Statesman and consider the entire State and consider the affect of this Legislation which we are about to perpetrate upon the people. I suggest that there has been... that I have received no letters from Alton, Rock Island, Olney, nor any letters from my District stating that this.type of Legislation is necessary. I find that this type of Legislation, to the contrary, is a direct assault upon the integrity of elected officials, officials who have been elected by the people of their District. And, who should have the right to speak for the District but the Officials. Now, the County Treasurers, the City Treasurers, they have their own methods of accounting. They have been doing it this way for a number of years. I have seen no ground swell or cry from any section of this State that there is any pilferage or larceny from any of these Districts. And, I think, what we do here is a devious thing with wicked and evil implications. Mr. Speaker, if we examine this Bill, we will soon become aware that it is, in fact, a sinister evil and malodorous indictment of people from all sections GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES  of the State. I've heard nothing from the Sponsor to deter- mine who requested this Bill. I've heard nothing from any Member who said that they received any communication on this type of Legislation. And, if we are to seriously view that which we are doing, we would realize that our forefathers, when they adopted the Constitution of the State of Illinois, were aware of these things, but they did not tinker with the internal mechanisms of the local officials. They did not dare to approach the Home Rule Sections. And, the Consti- tution, and our fathers even amended the Constitution, and again, we fail to tamper with time-honored and respected principles of self-government and self-determination. And again, Mr. Speaker, we amended the Constitution and we had a Constitutional Convention within the past few years. Again, these wise men from all over the State considered this sub- ject. Men from all sections, from every County came together and thrashed out the problems. And, I'm talking about the Counties of Cook, the County of Champaign and others, Lake County also. Mr. Speaker, when these men came together from all parts of our State, again, they did not interfere in the internal workings of the Local Units of Government, the time-honored sections, those that we have all felt neces- sary to look to for guidance and for trust. Mr. Speaker, I suggest to you that, when the people got together and re- viewed the Constitution, again, they found no need to tamper with the internal affairs of Local Government. To the con- trary, they extended onto Local Governmental Units the power GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES  of self-determination, a time-honored and accept principle which the voters endorsed, not halfheartedly, if you please, but wholeheartedly. And, as the people pile vote upon vote of thanks to the delegates of the Constitutional Convention for this fine Constitution, howhere, howhere, did they make any mention of such an evil and malodorous Bill. Mr. Chair... Mr. Speaker, I suggest that we're going into the dark waters of finance where there is no bottom and where I we can see neither to the right and neither to the left. suggest that there is only one way that the people of the State of Illinois ought to be financed and that is the proper way. And, that is by... is determined by those Local Units of Government. This Bill will take away power from the people. And, therefore, it is bad. It will tend to concentrat power in the evil hands... Mr. Speaker..."

"The gentleman from Cook, ah.. Mr. Hyde."

"Well, Mr. Speaker, ah.. I so enjoy the ah.. ah.. the ah.. illumination that I'm hearing from the gentle- man from Cook that I'd like to yield my ten minutes to the distinguished gentleman from Cook so that we can proceed with this instructive dialogue."

"That cert... That certainly... That certainly is in order and we'll certainly give your ten minutes to him. Proceed, Mr. Ewell."

"Mr. Speaker, it is from the... I must first acknowledge with a grateful heart...."

"Ah.. Alright. One. One moment, please. GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES  31.. What... What... What... You... Just a minute.. The gentle- man from Logan, Mr. Madigan, for what purpose do you rise?"

"Ah.. Mr. Speaker, a point of information for Mr. Ewell that might help him in... in his making up his mind in what he wants to say about this Bill next. This Bill was before the Legislature in 1971 and was passed on June 23rd and you voted for it."

"Alright.. Proceed now, Mr. Ewell."

"Mr. Speaker, in light of that fact, I must change my stance."

"Well, you've got another ten minutes on your own for that. Yeah.."

"And, like the distinguished Majority Leader, I am prepared to admit and confess the errors of my way. Having taken a second look at this Bill, I have determined that, indeed, must have some good features. And, as a result, I think it's necessary to analyze the Bill. And, if someone would provide me with a copy, 4408, I will be glad to stand corrected in my sinful erroneous ways. Perhaps, I was a little rash and I have not heard from all the Counties. Having heard from Lake County and other Counties Downstate, the vote appears to be changing. And perhaps, it would be wise of us to give this Bill a little consideration. Perhaps, when we're talking about the money of the people of the State of Illinois, perhaps, we ought to treat it a little more carefully and with a little more consideration. Perhaps, there's some wisdom to taking this money out of non-interest GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES  32. bearing accounts, politically favored banks and place it so it might gain the proper amount of interest and credit to the people of the State. And, in fact, this Bill might, indeed, be the first step toward a new, responsible fiscal policy that will endeavor to benefit all of the people of the State of Illinois. Because, if we collect these. monies faithfully, carefully record them, tally them, place them in interest-bearing accounts, we might, indeed, help solve the serious fiscal policies that confront us. And, Mr. Speaker, we are all aware of the serious fiscal policies that face the State of Illinois. A penny saved is a penny gained. And, I think, that this principle must follow us from our $900,000,000 renovation to the appropriation to the school children. I think that this principle for fiscal responsi- bility is a sound one. One that has been espoused by our forefathers. And, I, Mr. Speaker, am certainly for fiscal responsibility. I do not..." Hon. W. Robert Blair: finished." "What... What... No.. Wait until he's

"I do not believe that we can continue on our ways of wild and reckless deposits. We must deposit carefully and with serious consideration..."

"One.. One moment.. One moment, please. The gentleman from Logan, Mr. Madigan."

"Ah.. Mr. Speaker, Representative Hall has called my attention to an error that I made and I want to apologize to the gentleman from Cook, Representative Ewell. GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES  33. That Bill was 2618 last year and it passed by a vote of 155 to 3 but Representative Ewell was not recorded as voting either way on the Bill."

"Now.. Now, back to the gentleman from ah.. Cook, Mr. Ewell."

"Mr. Speaker, again, I am glad to stand rectified. Never let it be said that the Representative from the Twenty-Ninth District will ever stand on any in- correct statement. Having taken my stand, Mr. Speaker, I shall not retreat. I think that this Bill now is in a nebulous area. I think that we ought to strike the Enacting` Clause in order that we can start over and give it fresh consideration. I think that, as one distinguished Legis- lators has said, perhaps, we ought to meditate upon the subject. Perhaps, we ought to send to the mountains of India and seek guidance. Or, better yet, we should send the Bill back to Committee. Mr. Speaker, in all probability, this is probably a good Bill, if it were written correctly. But, I have come across some serious doubts, as have been pointed out by the Representative on our side of the aisle, who told about the defects in the Bill and the imperfections. And, I, for one, do not believe that we can hand out all of our responsibilities and delegate them to that unspeakable body on the other side of the aisle. I do not think that it is our function nor are we privy with any agreement between the people and the Senate, that the Senate should conduct all of the business, that the Senate should rewrite all of our GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES  34 Legislation, correct all of our errors and to change the purport and the intent of the Bill. Mr. Speaker, we are in trouble indeed and we are in troubled times. And, I suggest that a new approach to this Bill by the proper consideration. perhaps, by a Committee of the Whole, the entire House. And, if we placed all of the collective brains that we might have in our possession, we might again draft a Bill worthy of consideration, a Bill worthy of having our names stamped upon it. Mr. Speaker, I think that if you would convene a Committee of the Whole and give this Bill the proper con- sideration, the people of the State of Illinois would forever be indebted. And, whether we talk about the Counties of Jackson or Boone or Rock Island, Winnebago, Lake, Johnson, Peoria...."

"Wait... Wait a minute.. The gentleman.. The gentleman from Johnson, Mr. McCormick."

"Mr. Speaker, you'd better warn that gentleman not to take certain places in vain. Down in my Country, you know, Johnson County is famed for two fine things, shoe boxes and coon dogs."

"Proceed."

"Mr. Speaker, I noticed that...."

"The gentleman from Rock Island, Mr. Pappas, for what purpose do you rise?"

"Well, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, ah.. with the Speaker's eloquence, ah.. some of his arguments have gone completely over my head. And, I GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES  would like to relinquish my ten minutes to the Speaker so that possibly in the next ten minutes, he could give me what his position is on this Bill."

"Alright.. We will certainly grant the gentleman your ten minutes. Proceed."

"It is with... It is with deep gratitude and humility that I accept this generous offer. In speaking for the people of the State of Illinois, I should like to go into the technical Sections of this Bill for the elucidation and illumination of the Representative from Rock Island, whom we all love, admire and respect. The first Section sets out Legislative purpose. It tells what the Legislature intended to do when it enacted this piece of Legislation. Moreover, it serves as a guide to the Legislators as they read and wade through the voluminous material of this Bill. Volumin- ous not voluptuous.. It tells about the purpose of the Act and what we are intending to do, something like the situation when you want to be clear about something. You have to tell people, first of all, where you're going, you have to tell them when you arrive and you must tell them where you have been. This Bill talks about deposits and deposits are monies, collateral, consideration or anything of value that might be received by any of the divers public officials from City Treasurers...."

"Ah.. One moment, please. For.. For what purpose does the gentleman from ah.. Winnebago, Mr. Simms, rise?" GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES  36.

"On a point of personal privilege, Mr. Speaker. Ah..today with us in the ah.. House Gallery is a group of ah.. school children from the Sixth Grade Class of Highland School, whose District is with Representative North, Giorgi and Myself. And, we're proud to have them down here today, if they would stand up, please. Highland School... Sixth Grade from Rockford."

"Do you wish to proceed, Representa- tive Ewell?"

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Your kindness and consideration has touched both my heart and the hearts of the people of my District."

"Thank you."

"I do want to thank you for your kindness and courtesy and fairness and impartiality toward myself on behalf of the people of my District."

"The pleasure is all mine, Sir."

"This Bill goes on to talk about deposits and we've already discussed deposits as being monies col- lected, things of value, whether they be shoe boxes or.. or coons.. coon dogs. We do need the Fourteenth Amendment. Okay.. Mr. Speaker, we're talking about deposits and monies because money is valuable. It's useful. And, I do not think there's a one of us under the sound of my voice or in this State who would like to be without money. These deposits and/or fees and fees is that consideration which is de- posited to certain Agencies on behalf of certain individuals GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES  37. for a Corporate or County-wide function and the function might be that of a State such as a State Treasurer collects State fees or we might talk about people at the County level where the County Clerk collects fees for such things as marriages, automobiles and miscellaneous taxes. We can talk about the Township Unit where the Township Collector is the person in charge and the person who would collect the fees. And, we can break it down into the Cities where the person is normally called the City Collector. And he, in turn, collects the fees and collects the fees that he might take on behalf of the people who are depositing them there for the particular State. Now, we have certain Counties and I'm sure...."

"Representative Hall, for what purpose do you rise, Sir?"

"I'd like leave of the House to have this Bill ah.. ah.. held on Second."

"Alright.. the gentleman has withdrawn his request so that... Representative Hall."

"Surprisingly enough, Mr. Speaker, I've gained so much from this discussion that I have come up with ah.. an improved Amendment and I will ah.. offer it at a later time. I ask this Bill to be taken from the record at this time."

"Okay.. Does the gentleman have leave?"

"Mr. Speaker, just one question..."

"Do you object; Mr. Ewell?" GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES  Raymond W: Ewell: "No.. No.. No.."

"Well, does the gentleman have leave? Alright.. Hearing no objections, we'll take the Bill from the record. Representative Matijevich, do you seek recogni- tion, Sir?"

"Ah.. Yes, Mr. Speaker. I'm ah.. going to object to ah.. withdrawing ah.. this Bill from Second Reading. We are ah.. in business right now. Ah.. Repre- sentative Ewell is ah.. explaining his position. I think ah.. many have said ah.. that they are interested in gaining some knowledge ah.. from what Representative Ewell is pre- senting to this Legislative Body. Ah.. I think he has ah.. been trying to prepare ah.. this for a long time. And, I think Representative Hall, ah. Representative Ewell ah.. has been fighting for equal rights ah.. for a long time. And, I think that you would be treading on his equal rights if you now move this ah.. withdrew this Bill from the record. Ah.. I think he's trying to improve the Bill. And, therefore, I.. I object to withdrawing this Bill. I think we've got to hear more ah.. from Ray Ewell on.. on his position."

"Representative Hall, for what pur- pose do you rise, Sir?" Harber H. Hall: was debatable. ah.. ah... this is my Bill and I have a right to improve it. I should have the right to improve it the way I see fit. I have a definite improvement that I intend to have drafted "Well, I.. I didn't believe that.. that motion But ah.., on another line, I believe ah.. GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES  and placed on this Bill. And, I can't do it now. And, I will call the Bill back later."

"Ah.. Representative Ewell, for what purpose do you. rise?"

"Mr. Speaker, a point of information. It's my understanding that we are, at this point, I... we're, at this point, on an Amendment. And, possession is usually nine-tenths of the Law. And, although, it's his Bill, I have it right now. And, what you're doing is taking it away from me..."

"Are you asking that you ah.. ah.. be.. be journalized...."

"No.. No I'm just saying..."

"As you the principal Sponsor, Sir?"

"No.. No.. No.. I'm saying, when we're on the Amendment, the Bill is mine, if I can put the Amendment on. And, I'm saying that now I have possession. And, what you'd be doing, in effect, is taking it away from me. I have no objections, though, to the Sponsor since he sees the error of this Bill. And, now that the Body is con- vinced, we can approach it again another day. And, I ah.. have no objection to this. In fact, I would ask that Mr. Matijevich give the Sponsor a little consideration."

"The gentleman from Lake, Representa- tive Matijevich."

"Mr. Speaker, Members of the House, ah.. as Representative Murphy said, 'a good round number'. Under GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES  40. Rule 69, 'After a question is under consideration, it may be withdrawn, postponed or tabled by an unanimous consent. Or, if an unanimous consent is denied by a motion adopted by a majority of the Members voting'. Now, my point of order, Mr. Speaker, is that I have objected. Ah.. Repre- sentative Hall has not been able, therefore, to get unani- mous consent to have this Bill withdrawn. And, therefore, he must need ah.. ah.. vote by a majority of Members voting. And, if that's true, I'm going to ask for a Roll Call on that vote. And, I'll probably vote with him."

"Where is the gentleman from McClain, Representative Hall? Ah.. let's see.. Representative Hall is absent.... There he comes. Okay... The gentleman from McClain, Representative Hall, do you wish to make a motion, Representative Hall?"

"I'm delighted to use ah.. House Bill 4408 as a tool for...."

"Representative Barnes, for what pur- pose do you rise, Sir?"

"Parliamentary inquiry.."

"State your point, Sir."

"Ah... I was wondering, just in the process of orderly business of this House, ah.. ah.. was not the business that we were acting upon an Amendment to this Bill. And, therefore, this Amendment has not been withdrawn. So, I feel that the motion that Mr. Hall is putting forth would be out.. out of order at this time. Is that.. Is that cor- GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES  rect?"

41 Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: "Well, the gentleman has not put a motion as of yet, Representative Barnes. And, the Chair, of course, can not deal with it until such a motion is put."

"I believe that a motion was put to with- draw the Bill. Was it not a request?"

"The gentleman asked leave. He didn't put a motion."

"I see."

"I ah.. withdraw the request."

"Okay.. The gentleman has withdrawn his request. We'll now refer it back to Representative Ewell who has... Well, let's see if we can get you more time, Representative Ewell. The gentleman from Morgan, Representative Rose."

"It's a pleasure to yield to my very good friend, Representative Ewell."

"Alright.. Representative Ewell, you've got ten more minutes here."

"With deeper humility, I again, must thank the benefactors, the sponsors, who are so kind in relinquish- ing their time. Surely...."

"Representative Arrigo, for what pur- pose do you rise, Sir?".

"Mr. Speaker, I have a high regard for my seatmate. But, as I've been listening to him for the last twenty-two minutes, I kept thinking of ancient Rome and one GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES  42 very fine rule that they have in their Senate. And, I tried to jot down what would happen to a Senator in ancient Rome if he did one of the following things. If his excessive debate added to the penuriousness of the plebeians or the arrogance of the aristocrats and diminished the patience of the populace, he would be tried and convicted. And, if found guilty of excessive debate, his tongue would be enucle- ated. And, I am grateful that we do not live in ancient Rome, even though we owe to the Romans this Legislative Body and its makeup. And, I will say this. There were 600 Senators who had assembled in the Roman Senate and they were able to...."

"Representative Simms, for what pur- pose do you rise, Sir?"

"The ah.. present Speaker.. On whose time is he speaking?"

"On a point of personal privilege and as a Member of this House."

"His name was not mentioned that I heard of."

"But... But, I am a Member of the House."

"We... We will let him complete his point, Representative Simms, on his time. Would you con- clude your remarks, please, Representative Arrigo?"

"Yes.. And, I was thinking that certainly my Roman ancestors probably have the right idea. They not only... They not only punished the offender, but they punished his colleagues for permitting him to continue. And, I wanted GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES  43. to warn my good friend, Ray Ewell, that maybe, in Moscow now, they're working on some sort of scientific improvement. A time machine that will bring us back 2,000 years and we might all be subject to that type of penalty."

"Do you wish to continue, Representa- tive Ewell?"

"Mr... Mr. Speaker...."

"Representative Borchers, for what purpose do you rise, Sir?"

"A point of personal privilege. I just want to say Pax Romano."

"Representative Krause, for what pur- pose do you rise, Sir?"

"I just wanted to remind Representative Arrigo that's one for the Christians and none for the Lions."

"Representative Ewell, would you pro- ceed, Sir?"

"Mr. Speaker, with all due respect, that is what's known as an offer one cannot refuse. But, again, I feel impelled by the justice and vindication that has been given me by the Sponsor of this Bill. The fact that I have opened his eyes to the fact that, perhaps, the Bill is in need of an adjustment or two. And now, if I can just pro- ceed to open the eyes of the other Members of the House so that we all might see the justice and right of this particu- lar Bill. This Bill, as we've talked about, deals with the deposits and the fees collected. And, when we talk about GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES  44. things that are collected, particularly monies, they're collected in numerous manners from the people of the State of Illinois. Sometimes, they are given voluntarily. Other times, they are wrung from the taxpayers. And, when we talk about collected fees, we have to take into considera- tion the people from whom they are collected. And, I have just had a little information from a voter in Watseka and they told me that they're glad that, at least, one person in this General Assembly is going to look beyond the rivers and dams of his own District. They think that it is very admirable that we consider all of the people of the State. And, they think it's wonderful that we should give thanks to the many public officials who have collected monies for years and years and years. And, in many cases, they have accounted for these monies. The other cases are still pending. But, what we realize here is that we're tampering with the fundamental units of Government with this Bíll. And, I think, therefore, it is worthy of the most sustained consideration. When I was a Member of the County... County Government Committee, I learned many things from the distin- guished Leader and I learned many things about Township Government. But, one of the first things I learned, is don't ever tinker with Township Government because that is the fundamental unit of the people. I have respected this principle in the time that I have been here. And, I would urge my Colleagues, one and all, and from both sides of the aisle, to adhere to this sacred principle of Township Govern- GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES  ment, don't tread on me. And, I think, that one of the most indispensable units is the County Collector and I have great respect for the County Collectors. And, in fact, I have talked with County Collectors from many Counties. I've talked with the County Collector from Fulton County, from Macon County and even from...."

"The gentleman from Macon, Representa- tive Borchers, for what purpose do you rise, Sir?"

"Mr. Chairman and Fellow Members of the House, I seriously question my good friend and fellow Representa- tive... Representative Ewell on his last statement that he has personally talked to the Collector in Macon County. I do not believe that we have any such particular title. And, I do not believe that he's in order to bring Macon County into this matter. I do not think he's quite telling the truth."

"Proceed, Representative Ewell."

"I think it's the County Treasurer who's the ex officio County Collector. Mr. Borchers, I'm doing the best I can with the ah.. skull I have."

"Proceed, Representative Ewell."

"Alright.. Mr. Speaker, now that the Sponsor and Myself are seeing eye to eye on this point, I'm going to yield to him at this point to make that appropriate move- ment and ask him, that he's going to bring his Bill back. And, I think that we have, become enlightened. And, at this point, I'd like to yield to the Sponsor of this ah.. Amendment GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES  46. by withdrawing the Amendment because I understand that he's going to take the Bill back."

"The gentleman does not indicate that he wants you to yield to him, Sir. Are you..."

"Does ah.. the gentleman want more instruc- tion?"

"Well, he.. he.. The gentleman from Livingston, Mr. Hunsicker, for what purpose do you rise, Sir?"

"Representative Ewell has opened my eyes with his enlightening remarks and I'd like to hear more."

"Okay.. You've got ten more minutes, Sir. We just gave it to him. Thank you."

"Mr. Speaker,..."

"Representative Hall, for what purpose do you rise, Sir?"

"Ah.. is the honored Mr. Ewell ah.. still arguing in favor of his Amendment to strike the Enacting Clause.

"Well, Sir, we're trying to find that out.

"Ah.. in view of the penurious remarks and the arrogance of ah.. Legislators and the ah.. what.. what- ever they do, the enucleation of the tongue, I have considered my position again and wiser heads have made me.. ah.. wiser heads have prevailed. And, I think, at this time, I ought to withdraw the Amendment and ah.. allow the Sponsor to amend his Bill to the proper form so that I may, again GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES  vote 'present'.".

"Okay.. Are there any objections? Hearing none, the gentleman's Amendment will be withdrawn. Are there further Amendments? The gentleman has requested that the Bill be left on the order of Second Reading. Is there leave? Hearing none, House Bill 4408 will be left on the order of Second Reading."

"Alright.. If there are Bills now on Third Reading that any of the Members desire the Chair to consider calling, if you'd advise the Chair, why we'll con- sider calling those Bills. The gentleman from ah.. Cook, Mr. Palmer."

"Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, I'd like to announce that the House Committee on the studies of State's Attorneys in Illinois, the Office of the State's Attorney, will meet in.. in Room M4 shortly after adjourn- ment."

"On the ah.. order.... On the order of Concurrences, appears House Bill 3030, on which the Chair recognizes the gentleman from ah.. Cook, ah.. Mr. Jack Thompson."

"Mr. Speaker, this is the ah.. appropriation for the ah.. expenses of the Judicial Inquiry Board. Ah.. I move now that we concur in Senate Amendment No. 1, which was a reduction from our original appropriation."

"The question... Discussion? Alright.. The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Berman." GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS

HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES  Arthur L. Berman: "Ah.. would the Sponsor yield? Ah.. Jack, ah.. isn't there anything more involved in the Amendment other than the concurrence in just a reduction?"

"No. The original Bill was ah.. Originally, this went in as two Bills. The other Bill is in the Senate. Ah.. it set up certain ah.. Rules or that I originally thought I wanted. It's still over there. This is just the appropriation."

"Very good. I appreciate your remarks, Sir."

"Further discussion? The gentleman care to close? Okay.. The question is, 'shall the House concur in Senate Amendment No. 1, to House Bill 3030?'. All those in favor will vote 'aye', and the opposed 'no'. Have all voted who wished? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 140 'Ayes' and no 'Nays' and the House concurs in Senate Amendment No. 1, to House Bill 3030. The House Bill 1855. The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Jaffe."

"Mr. Speaker, ah.. this is merely a procedural Bill that eliminates one step in Corporate mergers. All the Amendment does is change the effective date because of the lapse of time between the House and Senate taking the matter up. And, I solicit a favorable vote and move that we do concur."

"Discussion? The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Palmer."

"Will the Sponsor yield for a question?" GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS

HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES  Hon. W. Robert Blair: "Ah.. he indicates he will." 49.

"Will the Stockholders have anything to say about this?".

"Ah.. yes, they will. It has nothing... It really has nothing to do with ah.. It doesn't interfere at all with ah.. ah.. the mergers as they are presently constituted. It just eliminates one step and the stockholders have the same rights as they had before."

"Well, as I read the digest here, it ah.. per- mits the issuance of ah.. new shares of stock, conversion into those shares. Now ah.. ah.. I would assume that the shareholders, at some point, would have the right to vote on this. Would they not?"

"Oh yes.. Sure, they would. They would."

"Then, the question would be as to whether or not the shareholders agree on the part of.. that is, the shareholders of each Corporation ah.. would agree ah.. to the issuance of new shares ah.. in the ah.. merging ah.. ah... not the merging Corporation, but the Corporation which is merged, the new Corporation, so to speak."

"Well, I don't.. I don't see any problem in it, Romie. I think that they all have the same, you know ah.., they all have the same rights. This really just eliminates one step in the.. in the merger itself."

"What step is that, Representative Jaffe?"

"Well, they.. they can issue. Actually, it says ah.. The only.. The only change actually in the Bill is that GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES  it calls for immediately before or ah.. immediately after. We put in the Section for 'immediately before'. This.. This is a Bar Association Bill that ah.. has been approved by, you know, by everyone. I know of no opposition to it. Even ah.. ah.. Mr. Shurer, who appeared before our Committee, who protects the minority stockholders, agrees with this particular Bill. There's been no objection to it at all.. It's.. It's.. It's a very innocuous Bill."

"Thank you."

"Further discussion? The gentleman care to close? Does the gentleman care to close?"

"No.. I.. I just solicit a favorable vote."

"Alright.. The question is, 'shall the House concur in Senate Amendment No. 1, to House Bill 1855?". All those in favor will vote 'aye', and the opposed 'no'. Have all voted who wished? The gentleman from Union, Mr. Choate."

"Vote me 'present', please."

"Record the gentleman 'present'. The.. The Clerk will take the record. Mann.. 'aye'. The gentle- man from Cook, Mr. Shea."

"'Present'."

"Shea.. 'present'. On this ques.. ques- tion, there are 97 'Ayes' and 1 'Nay'.. 2 'Present'.. 3'Present'. And, the House concurs in Senate Amendment No. 1, to House Bill 1855. 810. For what purpose does the gentleman from Cook, Mr. Shea, rise?" GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES  51.

"Mr. Speaker, I'd like to introduce our State Treasurer, who's on the floor and..."

"How'd he get there? Hi Senator ! Former House Member.. Yes, that's right. Okay.. 810. The gentleman from Cook, ah.. ah.. Mr. Sevcik, in regard to Senate Amendment No. 2."

"I ah.. move the adoption of the Amendment. Concur.. Concur in Amendment No. 2."

"Is there discussion? The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Carroll.""

"Would the Sponsor care to ah.. explain what the Amendment does?"

"Ah.. most of these Amendments on this series of Bills actually changes the effective date to January 1st, 1973 instead of July 1st, 1972."

"The gentleman from ah.. Cook, Mr. Ewell, for what purpose do you rise?"

"Mr. Speaker, on a point of personal privilege. I'd like to introduce to the ah... or I'd like to give at- tention to the Gallery where we have the Members of Ruggles School which is in the District of Representative Barnes and Myself and Representative Graham. Ruggles Eighth Grade Class in the Gallery to my back and to the left. Teachers, Mr. McCray, Mr. Rutter, Mr. Kunster and Mr. DiVardo."

"The.. The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Carroll."

"Ah.. Mr. Sevcik, you said that the effective GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES  date was changed although the synopsis in the digest shows that the original Bill had an effective date of January 1, 1973, not July of 1972."

"Well, the ah.. According to the note here that I received from the Senate, on this series of Bills, all of the Amendments were to change the effective date. They had July 1st, 1972 on the Bills."

"Through July 1st, '72. That would become the new effective.... That would become the new effective date?"

"January 1st, 1973."

"But, that's what the digest shows was originally in the Bills."

"But, the Bills weren't made up that way, as I understand."

"The gentleman from ah.. Cook, Mr. Ber- man."

"Ah.. Would the Sponsor yield?"

"He indicates he will."

"Joe, ah.. this is the first, I presume, in ah.. 810 and 811 and the other Bills dealing with the new 'Correction Code'. Am I correct?"

"That's correct."

"Now, I believe that there have been some substantial changes to some of these Bills. I haven't ah.. I served on the sub-committee of the Judiciary Committee and we all worked very hard ah.. with you on this. Ah.. would GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES  it be possible to see some of these changes before we ah.. ah.. vote on concurrence?"

"As I understand, the Amendment is now on the desk. I ah.. just received mine. And ah.. ah.., I was in error here. It's January 1st, 1974. I just received the Amendment."

"Well, Joe, could you ah.. pull it out of the record for a little while so we can take a look at some of these changes?"

"Alright.."

"Thank you."

"Alright.. Take it out of the record. 2379. Take it out of the record. On the ah.. order of Motions, appears ah.. a motion with respect to ah.. Senate Bill 1380 on which the Chair recognizes the gentleman from DuPage, Mr. Hoffman."

"Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, ah.. pursuant to Rule 79, I'm asking that the Executive Committee be discharged ah.. for the consideration of Senate Bill 1380. I've discussed this with Leadership on both sides of the aisle and the Committee Chairman and ah.. they have agreed. What this Bill does, it simply changes the location in the ah.. statutes of Area Vocational Center ah.. for DuPage County to the definition of DuPage County as opposed to the Municipality of Wheaton. I would appreciate the support of the House on this request."

"The ah.. gentleman from ah.. ah. Union, GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES  Mr. Choate."

54 Clyde L. Choate: "Well, I would like to respond to the gentle- man's statement about talking to me and having an agreement on this particular motion to say that he's absolutely right. And, I do keep my agreements and I would advise the Members on this side of the House that I would appreciate them in supporting the gentleman's motion."

"Does the gentleman have leave? Hearing no objections, the gentleman's motion ah.. prevails and this Senate Bill 1380 will be placed on the Calendar on the order of Second Reading. Senate Bill 1478. The ah.. gentleman from ah.. Cook, Mr. Moore, has a similar motion ah.. with respect to that Bill."

"Ah.. yes, Mr. Speaker. Ah.. Senate Bill 1478 authorizes the School Building Commission to convey certain lands in School District 140 to the Trustees of Schools of Township 36 North in exchange for land of equal or greater value or desire a building. I've also checked with the Minority Leader on the other side of the aisle, with our Leadership and with the Chairman of the Judiciary I Commit- tee and they have no objection to this Bill being advanced to Second Reading without reference."

"The gentleman from Union has a similar comment with respect to that, I assume. The gentleman from Union, Mr. Choate." Clyde L. Choate:. "Well, I didn't know you was a mind reader, Mr. Speaker. I only want to say that the gentleman did not GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES  55 talk to me. He talked to the Assistant Minority Leader and he agreed and I agree with the Assistant Minority Leader. Thank you, Mr. Speaker."

"Allll.... Alright.. Does the gentleman have leave? Hearing no objections, then Senate Bill 1478 will be taken from Committee and placed on the order of ah.. Second Reading. Now, the gentleman from Peoria, Mr. Day, has a motion."

"Mr. Speaker, this is with reference to House Bill 3801 and it has been ah.. discussed and cleared with the. Leadership on both sides of the aisle. And, at this time, I would like to move to suspend Rule 24 so that this Bill can be heard in Committee."

"Ah.. does the gentleman have leave? Hearing no objections, ah.. that Rule ah.. will be waived so that that Bill may be set for hearing. The ah.. On the ah.. order of Concurrences, appears House Bill 3736.. On Senate Amendments No. 2 and No. 3, on which the Chair recog- nizes the gentleman from Wayne, Mr. Blades."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I would now move that we non-concur with the Senate. And, respectfully ask that a Conference Committee be appointed."

"Alright.. Is there discussion? The gentleman... Ah.. yes.. What ah.. What we have to do is to non-concur and then if they... in the Senate, when they get that message, if they refuse to recede ah.. from those Amend- ments, then they will request a Conference Committee be set. GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES  56 So, the motion is, 'shall the House non-concur in Senate Amendments No. 2 and No. 3?'. All those in favor of the motion say 'aye', opposed 'no', the 'ayes' have it and the House fails to concur in Amendments No. 2 and No. 3, to House Bill 3736. For what purpose does the gentleman from Cook, Mr. Randolph raise... rise?"

"Mr. Speaker, Members of the House, the Revenue Committee will meet promptly following adjournment today."

"On concurrences, appears ah.. House Bill. 2622, on which the Chair recognizes the gentleman from Randolph, Mr. Springer."

"Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I move the House do not concur with Senate Amendment No. 1 of House Bill1 2622."

"Discussion? The question is on the gentleman's motion to non-concur with respect to Senate Amendment No. 1, to House Bill 2622. All those in favor of the gentleman's motion say 'aye', opposed 'no', the 'ayes' have it and the House ah.. does not concur with Senate Amendment No. 1, to House Bill 2622. The gentleman from ah.. Morgan, Mr. Rose."

"Mr. Speaker, the ah.. Committee on Constitution Implementation will likewise meet immediately after adjourn- ment ah.. Room 520." "The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Ewell." Hon. W. Robert Blair:

"Mr. Speaker, on a point of personal privilege. GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES  57 On behalf of Representative Barnes, Representative Graham and Myself, this is the balance of the Eighth Grade Ruggles Class in the Balcony to the rear and to my left, who are there with their teachers. Ruggles Elementary School."

"For the Members that ah.. are going to be taking up Senate Bills First Reading should so indicate it to the Clerk so that those Bills can be read a first time and set for hearing in Committee. 134...Ah.. we'll go to that order. Senate Bills First Reading 1344."

"Senate Bill 1344, a Bill for an Act to amend 'The Illinois Horse Racing Act'. First Reading of the Bill. "

"1345."

"Senate Bill 1345, an Act to amend 'The Illinois Horse Racing Act'. First Reading of the Bill."

"1467."

"Senate Bill 1467, an Act to amend an Act relating to State Finance. First Reading of the Bill."

"1468."

"1468, an Act to amend 'The Civil Administa- tive Code'. First Reading of the Bill."

"1480."

"Senate Bill 1480, an Act to make an appro- priation to the Expense Clerk of the Appellate Court of the Third District. First Reading of the Bill."

"1482."

"1482, an Act to make an appropriation to GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES  the Expense Clerk of the Appellate Court of the Second Dis- trict. First Reading of the Bill."

"1533."

"Senate Bill 1533. No.. Wait a minute.. Wait a minute.."

"Alright.. That's a mistake on the Calendar. 1533 is supposed to be on ah... Oh! It's already in Committee? Huh? I would like to call ah.. to the atten- tion of the Members that there is now being distributed on both sides of the aisle ah.. those House Bills and Resolu- tions carried on the daily Calendar and within control of various House Committees to be tabled pursuant to House Rules 32 (c) and 32 (d). It is the intention of the Chair that the Members ah.. have an opportunity to look over ah.. this list overnight ah.. and ah.. the Chair will be enter- taining during the Session tomorrow ah.. a motion ah.. to table ah.. those ah.. particular ah.. Bills. For what pur- pose does the gentleman from ah.. Cook, Mr. Shea, rise?"

"Mr. Speaker, am I to understand right that the list, now being distributed, is the list of Bills that are exempt or..."

"It is the list of Bills that are non- exempt and ah.. when we finished business on Monday, that was the last day for non-exempt Bills ah.. to be ah.. acted upon in ah.. as far as the House is concerned. And ah.., so in order to clean up the Calendar and in order to clean up the Committees, ah.. this is a.. a motion that will be made GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES  tomorrow ah.. to table all of those non-exempt Bills."

"To table the list of Bills that are now being distributed?"

"Yes.. And ah.. it's the intention of the Chair ah.. for the Members to have an opportunity to look that over overnight. Ah.. And ah.., that ah.. sometime during the Session tomorrow ah.. to entertain a motion ah.. to table. If there are any questions with regard to... In other words, those are Bills that the Chair would not be calling in any event because in the Chair's judgement, they're non-exempt Bills. Now, if there's any question with regard to that, why that can be raised with the Chair."

"Then, am.. am I to understand that all other Bills in Committee and on the Calendar are exempt?".

"I'm not going to rule with regard to that. I'm saying that this is ah.. the collective effort of Staff with regard to those Bills which ah.. are non- exempt.Ah.. And ah.., if there are other Bills that are non-exempt that need to be supplemented on this list ah.. then they will be added. And ah.., for that purpose, if you have any additions to be made to it, then you ah.. advise the Chair to that fact."

"Well, is it possible then that the Chair could supply to all the Members a list of those that he feels are exempt? Because, what you're saying is that these are not exempt, but the rest around, might or might not be exempt."

"Well, the only thing that this ah.. ah.. GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES  addresses itself to is that which I have explained. And that is, those Bills which the Chair would not be calling in any event. Because, in the Chair's judgement, they are not exempt Bills... they're non-exempt Bills. And, in order to get them off the Calendar and in order to get them out of Committee, ah.. I think the proper way to do it is to entertain a motion to table. Now, if there are any ques- tions by anybody with regard to any of those Bills, if they want to discuss that with me on the basis that they consider them to be exempt Bills, therefore, not properly included within the scope of the motion to be made, the Chair will be happy to listen to the Sponsor with regard to his posi- tion that that should be considered an exempt Bill. Now, it is the Chair's feeling that the balance of the Bills would, indeed, be exempt Bills. But, I don't want to ah.. place myself in the position as categorically ruling that they are because I don't have Bill numbers when I say that. I do have Bill numbers here. And, it's just that overnight should give everybody an opportunity to look at it and ah.. I'll be happy ah.. not to call that until ah.. any questions ah.. that need to be raised are raised with the Chair. But, I would like to get those off the Calendar this week so that when we come back in here next week ah.. we see what we have left to address ourselves to. There are innumerable Bills that are on the Calendar right now that, under the Rules, are dead. And, I think that we ought to have that motion to table and get them off there. Alright.. Resolutions." GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

61 Fredric B. Selcke: "Ah.. House Resolution 675, Randolph, et.al. House Resolution 678, Meyer, et.al."

"The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Hyde."

"The Agreed Resolutions, Mr. Speaker. House Resolution 675 warmly congratulates our beloved and very worthy colleague, the Honorable Bernard McDevitt, upon re- ceiving the '1971 Lawyer of the Year' Award from the Chicago Legal Secretaries Association. Ah.. House Resolution 678 ah.. is a congratulatory Resolution to Patrick Francis Murray ah.. because of the fine job he did as Chairman of the Beverly Hills-Morgan Park Sesquicentennial Parade on Sunday, April 23rd. I move adoption of the Agreed Resolu- tions."

"All those in favor of the Agreed Resolutions say 'aye', opposed 'no', the 'ayes' have it and the Agreed Resolutions are adopted. Further Resolutions?"

"House Resolution ah.. 674, J. J. Wolf, et.al. House Resolution 676, Katz, et.al. House Resolution 677, ah.. Murphy."

"Further Resolutions? Alright.. Now, the ah.. from ah.. Lake, Mr. Murphy, on ah.. House Resolution 677."

"Ah.. Mr. Speaker, ah.. could I first ask to table House Resolution 659? Ask leave of the House?"

"Ah.. Does the gentleman have leave? Alright.. That.. That Resolution will be tabled. Proceed now on this one." GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSI OF REPRESENTATIVES

62 W. J. Murphy: "Ah.. 677 now is replacing 659 in the corrected version as requested... as suggested by the Majority Leader. And, I would ask that the provisions of Rule 53 ah.. be waived so that we can have immediate consideration of this Resolution."

"The gentleman have leave? Alright.. The provisions of the Rule have been suspended. Now, pro- ceed."

"Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, this is the ah.. Resolution that I introduced yester- day on Transcendental Meditation. It has been corrected and suggested with the Majority Leader's suggestions. And, I now ask for favorable support on House Resolution 677."

"Is there further discussion? The ah.. question is on the ah.. gentleman's motion to adopt the Resolution. All those in favor say 'aye', opposed 'no', the 'ayes' have it and the Resolution is adopted. The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Regner."

"Ah.. Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I would just like to announce that there was an error on the Calendar today and it did not show the ah.. posting for the Appropriations Committee Meeting tomorrow morning at 9:00 o'clock on the House Floor. And, we will meet tomorrow morning at 9:00."

"The gentleman from Cook, Mr. ah.. Hyde."

"Mr. Speaker, I now move that the House stand adjourned until the hour of 11:00 A.M. tomorrow morning." GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

63 Hon. W. Robert Blair: "The gentleman from Union, Mr. Choate."

"Mr. Speaker, is it possible that you could assign a Room to ah.., at this time, for the Democratic Membership to have a Conference at 10:30 in the morning so that we would not utilize House time for the purpose of a Conference?"

"M5"

"I would ask the Democratic Membership and I would ask you to listen, fellas, instead of standing over there talking, that there will be a Democratic Conference in Room M5 at 10:30 in the morning."

"We're double checking that room. Just a minute. Alright.. M5 is okay. Alright.. The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Hyde, renews his motion to ah.. adjourn until the hour of 11:00 A.M. tomorrow. All those in favor will say 'aye', opposed 'no', the 'ayes' have it and the House stands adjourned." ADJOURNMENT AT 4:02 O'CLOCK Р.М. 5/24/72 mes. GENERAL ASSEMBLY STATE OF ILLINOIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES