Illinois House Floor Debate — March 25, 1981

"The House will come to order and Members will please be in their seats. The House will be led in prayer today by Father Eugene Costa. Father."

"Let us pray. O Lord, our God, watch over Your people gathered in this House. Give them peace and understanding. Fill their minds and their hearts with knowledge of You. May they walk in Your ways, always knowing what is right and good. Amen."

"Led in the Pledge today by Representative Grossi."

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation, under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all."

"Roll Call for attendance. Take the record, will you Mr. Clerk? There being 150...162 Members answering the Roll, a quorum of the House is present. On the Calendar on page 2, under the order of House Bills, Second Reading appears House Bill 28, Representative Cullerton. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 28, a Bill for an Act in relationship to the possession of use of firearms by convicted felons, Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Amendments from the floor?"

"Floor Amendment #1, Johnson, amends House Bill 28 on page six and so forth."

"Representative Johnson. Representative Johnson on the floor? Representative Cullerton's the Sponsor of the Bill. Is Representative Johnson on the floor? Representative Cullerton, what's your pleasure here?"

"Thank you Mr. Speaker. I spoke with Mr. Johnson about his Amendment. I don't have a copy in front of me. It was distributed, I have no objection to the Amendment. It had to do with some Amish people in his district and I 1  STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 17th Legislative Day March 25, 1981 was agreeable to the Amendment."

"Would you move the adoption of that Amendment?"

"I would move the adoption of Amendment #1."

"The Gentleman's moved the adoption of Amendment #1 to House Bill 28. All in favor will signify by saying 'aye' all opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it and the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 83, Representative Flinn. Representative Flinn on the floor? Is he on the floor? House Bill 83, Representative. Out of the record. House Bill 89, Representative Deuster. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 89..."

"Just a minute, Mr. Clerk. Mr. Deuster."

"Mr. Speaker, there is a Floor Amendment offered by Representative Giglio. I don't see him here and so I'd like to take this out of the record at this time."

"Well, I'll tell you, Mr. Deuster if we are going to move with the House we were due in here at noon today. Did the Gentleman answer the Roll Call? Take it out of the record. House Bill 93, Representative Deuster. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 93, a Bill for an Act to amend the Inheritance Tax and Transfer Tax Law, Second Reading of the Bill, Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Mr. Deuster."

"Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee but at that time a number of the Committee Members indicated that they thought it could be improved and so Amendment #2 has been filed and 2  STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 17th Legislative Day March 25, 1981 distributed and I'm planning to move for adoption of Amendment #2 but before that I would like to make the appropriate Motion to either withdraw or to reconsider the vote by which Amendment #1 was adopted which ever we have to do here. We want to get rid of Amendment #2 and adopt instead of it Amendment #3."

"Going to table Amendment #1?"

"I move...yes, I would like to table Amendment #1."

"The Gentleman ask leave to table Amendment #1, are there any objections? Representative Jaffe."

"Yes, I would just like to know what he's tabling and what he wants to put....is this the Bill that went through Judiciary, is that it?"

"Would you explain the Amendment, Representative?"

"Sure, I'd be happy to answer the question of the distinguished Member. This is a Bill that provides the Inheritance Tax exemption for step-children. In the Committee an Amendment was adopted which defined a step-child and the...I don't know if you have the Amendments in front of you or how extensively I should explain it. Amendment #2 does just about the same thing. Amendment #1 says that the step-child means a natural or adopted child of the decedent's spouse, including a decedents's spouse by a prior marriage of such spouse.The question was raised if you remember, Representative Jaffe in Committee as to whether a deceased spouse or a spouse who might have subsequently been divorced was included, I said I thought so but the language needed to be perfected. Amendment #2 makes that clear that a spouse who predeceased the decedent is included and a former spouse of the decedent is included in the word spouse. I discussed this with Representative Breslin and also it's in response to a suggestion by Representative Brummer." 3  STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 17th Legislative Day March 25, 1981

"Okay, I have no problems."

"Representative Jaffe, are you finished?"

"Yes."

"Turn Representative Jaffe off, would you please? The Gentleman has asked leave to table Amendment #1 to House Bill 93. Does he have leave? Are there any objections? Hearing none, leave is granted Amendment #1 to House Bill 93 is tabled. Are there further Amendments?"

"Amendment #2, Deuster, amends House Bill 93 on page 1 and so forth."

"Representative Deuster."

"As I just indicated, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, Amendment #2 is an improvement over Amendment #1. What it does is for the purpose of this Bill it defines step-child to mean a natural or adopted child of the decedent's spouse including a spouse who predeceased the decedent and a former spouse of the decedent. I would move for the adoption of Amendment #2 and if there are any questions I would be happy to answer them."

"Is there any discussion? The Gentleman's asked for the adoption of Amendment #2 to House Bill 93. All those in favor will signify by saying 'aye'. Representative Getty."

"Representative Deuster is this the matter we discussed yesterday?"

"Yes."

"I thought you had an additional correcting Amendment."

"The question we discussed, Representative Getty was whether instead of saying a former spouse we should say a divorced spouse. I discussed this with other Members and the conclusion was sort of leave it the way it is. The only change that you and I discussed, I think was changing the language rather than any substantive content. Saying a 4  STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 17th Legislative Day March 25, 1981 former spouse is probably a nicer way of saying a divorced spouse. It makes no...not much substantive change in..."

"Well, I think that it's a little vague. I think that, therefore; we ought to get the legislative intent here clearly into the record and I would like you to clearly indicate that there are two groups that you intend to cover and what those groups are."

"Yes, by the word spouse, Representative Getty and that is a good question so that the legislative record is clear, it is intended that this exemption would include the natural or adopted children of someone who had been a spouse of the dead person, the decedent and that would include a spouse who had died before the decedent and it would also include the natural or adopted child of a spouse who happened to be divorced from the decedent before the time of death and the reasoning for this is that if the man or woman provides in a will for a step-child to take, we presume that child has the natural affection and interest of the...of the testator or the decedent even though the marriage by which the person became associated with that step-child might have been terminated by death or divorce."

"Thank you."

"Thank you."

"Is there any further discussion? The Gentleman renews his Motion of the adoption of Amendment #2 to House Bill 93. All those in favor will signify by saying 'aye', opposed 'no', the 'ayes' have it and the Amendment's adopted. Are there further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 101, Representative Abramson. Out of the record, again? Out of the record. House Bill 104, Abramson. Out of the record. House Bill 138, Wikoff. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk." 5  STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 17th Legislative Day March 25, 1981

"House Bill 138, a Bill for an Act to amend the Unemployment Insurance Act, Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Are there any Motions filed with respect to Amendment #1?"

"No Motions filed."

"Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 139, Representative Wikoff. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 139, a Bill for an Act to amend the Unemployment Insurance Act, Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions filed pertaining to Amendment #1?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 140, Wikoff. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 140, a Bill for an Act to amend the Unemployment Insurance Act, Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 150, Cullerton. Read the Bill."

"House Bill...."

"Just a minute...just a minute. Representative Cullerton. Do you want to hear your Bill? House Bill 150, Cullerton."

"House Bill 150, a Bill for an Act in relationship 6  STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 17th Legislative Day March 25, 1981 to exemptions from jury service, Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #2 was adopted in Committee."

"Are there any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 189, Collins. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 189, a Bill for an Act to amend the Environmental Protection Act, Second Reading of the Bill. Amendments #1 and 2 were adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions filed pertaining to the Amendments?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #3, Collins amends House Bill 189 on page 2 and so forth."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Collins on Amendment #3 to House Bill 189."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Actually Amendment #2 was a Floor Amendment also, Mr. Speaker. This Bill had already been read a second time and Amendment #2 was adopted on the floor. Amendment #3 is also an Amendment that I agreed to in Committee which reduces a ten mile limitation within the Bill to five miles. This was at a request of some Members in the Committee and I agreed to it. I think there is no controversy and I would ask for a favorable consideration of Amendment #3."

"Is there any discussion pertaining to Amendment #3? Gentleman moves for adoption of Amendment #3 to House Bill 189. All those in favor will signify by saying 'aye', all opposed 'no', the 'ayes' have it and the Amendment's adopted. Further Amendments?" 7  STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 17th Legislative Day March 25, 1981

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 203, Representative Hallock. Representative Hallock. House Bill 203, Representative."

"House Bill..."

"You want...you want it out of the record? Out of the record. House Bill 218, Representative Friedrich. Out of the record. House Bill 223, Representative Pullen. 223, Representative Pullen. Want your Bill heard? Read the Bill."

"House Bill 223, a Bill for an Act to repeal an Act to define the nature of all transactions relating to procuring, furnishing, donating, processing, distributing or using human blood and blood derivatives and products. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Amendments from the floor?"

"None."

"Third Reading. House Bill 237, Ebbesen. Out of the record. House Bill 238, Representative Beatty. Representative Beatty, do you want your Bill called? Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 238, a Bill for an Act to amend the Probate Act, Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Amendments from the floor?"

"None."

"Third Reading. House Bill 246, Representative Yourell. You want the Bill heard? Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 246, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act to revise the law in relationship to township organization, Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Amendments from the floor?" 8  STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 17th Legislative Day March 25, 1981

"None."

"Third Reading. House Bill 256, Representative Wolf. Representative Wolf on the floor? Out of the record. House Bill 259, Representative Levin. Representative Levin, you want your Bill read? Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 259, a Bill for an Act to amend the Boat Registration and Safety Act, Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any further Amendments?"

"...pardon me, Motion, I move to table Amendment #1 to House Bill 259, Representative Levin."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Levin."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, the Motion to table Amendment #1 was cleared with the Chairman of the Committee and the Minority Spokesperson. It's my intention along with Representative Wolf to move to Amendment #3, if Amendment 1 is tabled."

"Gentleman asked leave to table Amendment #1 to House Bill 259. Are there any objections? Pardon...Representative, is this your Amendment?"

"It was...Amendment #1 was offered in Committee at my request."

"The Gentleman asks leave to table Amendment #1 to House Bill 259, are there any objections? Hearing none, leave is granted. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2, Levin-J.J. Wolf, amends House Bill 259 on page 1 and so forth."

"Representative Wolf on Amendment #2. Representative Levin on Amendment #2."

"Yes, we would like to withdraw Amendment #2 and proceed 9  STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 17th Legislative Day March 25, 1981 to Amendment #3."

"This is all by agreement of Representative Wolf?"

"Yes."

"Withdraw Amendment #2. Further Amendments."

"Floor Amendment #3, Levin-J.J. Wolf, amends House Bill 259 on page 1 and so forth."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Levin."

"Amendment #3 makes two changes in the Historic Boat Bill, the first change is to describe the historic boats as heritage watercraft. This was requested...this description was requested by the Department of Conservation. The second change which was requested by Representative Wolf was to make the legislation permissive rather than mandatory on the Department of Conservation by changing the word 'shall' on line nine to 'may'."

"Is there any discussion concerning Amendment #3 to HouseBill 259? The Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment #3 to House Bill 259. All those in will favor signify by saying 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it, the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments."

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 272, Representative Yourell. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 272, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act concerning land titles, Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Amendments from the floor?"

"None."

"Third Reading. House Bill 274, Representative Huskey. Representative Huskey on the floor? Take the Bill out of the record. Representative Ebbesen has requested we go back to House Bill 237 on page two. Representative Ebbesen on House Bill 237. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk." 10  STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 17th Legislative Day March 25, 1981

"House Bill 237, a Bill for an Act in relationship to the effect of federal administrative agency regulations in the State of Illinois, Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Amendments from the floor?"

"None."

"Third Reading. Back on page three, House Bill 284, Representative Stiehl. Out of the record. House Bill 288, Representative Lechowicz. Representative Lechowicz on the floor? Out of the record. House Bill 289, Representative Stuffle. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 289, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Pension Code, Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Amendments from the floor?"

"None."

"Third Reading. House Bill 292, Representative Lechowicz. Out of the record. House Bill 295, Representative Stuffle. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 295, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Pension Code, Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Amendments from the floor?"

"None."

"Third Reading. House Bill 296, Representative Donovan. Representative Donovan on the floor? Read the Bill."

"House Bill 296, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act to provide for the licensing and regulation of detectives and detective agencies, Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions in respect to Amendment #1?"

"No Motions filed." 11  STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 17th Legislative Day March 25, 1981

"Any further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 307, Representative Bianco. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 307, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Vehicle Code, Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was offered in Committee."

"Any Motions with respect to Amendment #1?"

"No Motions filed."

"Floor Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 317, Representative Cullerton. Representative Cullerton, House Bill 317. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 317, a Bill for an Act to amend the Code of Criminal Procedure, Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Amendments from the floor?"

"None."

"Third Reading. House Bill 329, Representative Barkhausen. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 329, a Bill for an Act to amend the Regional Transportation Authority Act, Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Are there any Motions with respect to Amendment #1?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 333, Representative Stiehl. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 333, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act relating to alcoholic liquors, Second Reading of the Bill. 12  STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 17th Legislative Day March 25, 1981 No Committee Amendments."

"Any Amendments from the floor?"

"None."

"Third Reading. House Bill 337, Representative Mautino. Representative Mautino on the floor? Want to read your Bill? Read the Bill."

"House Bill 337, a Bill for an Act relating to the use of guide dogs by deaf persons, Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Amendments from the floor?"

"None."

"Third Reading. House Bill 354, Representative Sandquist. Out of the record. House Bill 366, Representative Greiman. Out of the record. House Bill 368, Representative Robbins. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 368, a Bill for an Act to amend the Nursing Home Care Reform Act, Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions filed pertaining to Amendment #1?"

"No Motions filed."

"Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2, Bowman-Bower, amends House Bill 368 on page two and so forth."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Bowman on Amendment #2 to House Bill 368."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, we were just working this out right now. Would you recognize Representative Robbinsso we can get our signals straight here?"

"Representative Robbins."

"Mr. Speaker, I feel like Amendment #2 is a very good Amendment, and an improvement to the Bill and I feel it should be adopted." 13  STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 17th Legislative Day March 25, 1981

"Mr. Speaker, Mr. Speaker."

"Representative Bowman."

"While Representative Robbins was talking, the people my side informed that it hasn't been printed and distributed yet so would you...would the Representative be willing to hold the Bill until it can be printed and distributed?"

"Mr. Clerk has that Amendment been printed and distributed? Out of the record. The Amendment has not been printed and distributed. House Bill 372, Representative Birkinbine. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk. Just a minute, Mr. Clerk. Alright, let's bring this chamber to order. The Members get in their seats. Mr. Doorkeeper let's get the aisles cleared. We are trying to do business here. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 372, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Insurance Code, Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Amendments from the floor?"

"None."

"Third Reading. House Bill 373, Representative Sandquist. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 373, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act relating to alcoholic liquors, Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Amendments from the floor?"

"None."

"Third Reading. House Bill 379, Representative Lechowicz. Representative Lechowicz do you care to have your Bill heard? Second Reading, House Bill 379. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 379, a Bill for an Act to amend the Business Corporation Act, Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments." 14  STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 17th Legislative Day March 25, 1981

"Amendments from the floor?"

"None."

"Third Reading. House Bill 382, Representative Stuffle. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 382, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Pension Code, Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"None."

"Third Reading. House Bill 419, Representative Lechowicz. Read it."

"House Bill 419, a Bill for an Act to amend the Business Corporations Act, Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Amendments from the floor?"

"None."

"Third Reading. House Bill 425, Representative Bradley. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 425, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act in relationship to airport authorities, Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions filed with respect to Amendment #1?"

"Motion filed by Representative Bradley, 'I move to table Amendment #1 to House Bill 425'."

"The Gentleman from McLean, Representative Bradley."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I filed this Motion after we put the Amendment that I asked the Committee Members adopt. We adopted it the Committee and after it was adopted it moved out of Committee unanimously it was brought to my attention that they also needed this part of this Amendment in the Bill or this part of the Amendment in the Bill and so I move to table that 15  STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 17th Legislative Day March 25, 1981 Amendment. It was my Amendment and I move to table it."

"The Gentleman from Knox, Representative McMaster on the Gentleman's Motion."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I merely want to explain what the Amendment that was put on in Committee did that Representative Bradley is now trying to remove or table. The Amendment took out the increase in the non-referendum debt limit for airport authorities. This is what the Amendment did. It took out a non-referendum debt increase and put the referendum requirement back in. So now what Representative Bradley is wanting to do is take this Amendment away and give them the right to increase their non-referendum debt limit, just so people understand what is going on with the tabling of the Committee Amendment and putting the Bill back in another shape."

"The Gentleman from McClean, Representative Bradley to close."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, thank you. The...Mr. McMasters, the Chairman on Counties and Townships is absolutely right. We want to get the Bill back in the shape that I as a Sponsor want. We did the exact same thing that we're doing here for airport authorities. We've done it with other taxing bodies as a result of the loss of assessed valuation when we lost the corporate and the personal property tax to the local taxing units. We made adjustments and that's what we're doing for the airport authorities and I move to table the Amendment #1."

"The Gentleman from Knox, Representative McMaster."

"Again let me say that, actually in 1979 we did remove the non-referendum debt limit on park districts and only on park districts. This would put the airport authorities in the same position as the park districts in regard to non-referendum debt. I'm only saying this as a matter of 16  STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 17th Legislative Day March 25, 1981 information to the Assembly."

"The Gentleman from DeWitt, Representative Vinson. Nevermind, turn him off. The Gentleman has moved that Amendment #1 to table...to House Bill 421 be tabled. All those in favor will signify by saying 'aye', all opposed by saying 'no'. The 'ayes' have it and the Amendment is tabled. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 605, Representative McMaster. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 605, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Highway Code, Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Amendments from the floor?"

"None."

"Third Reading. On page two, under the order of House Bills, Second Reading appears House Bill 83, Representative Flinn. House Bill 83, read it will you, Mr. Clerk?"

"House Bill 83, a Bill for an Act to amend the Criminal Code, Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Are there any Motions filed with respect to Amendment #1?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Is there anybody else that cares to go back on the order of Second Reading and pick up their Bill? Representative Friedrich."

"Number 218, Mr. Speaker please."

"On the Calendar on page two under the order of House Bills, Second Reading appears House Bill 218. Read 17  STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 17th Legislative Day March 25, 1981 the Bill, will you Mr. Clerk?"

"House Bill 218, a Bill for an Act to amend the Personnel Code, Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Amendments from the floor?"

"Floor Amendment #1, McCormick amends House Bill 218 on page one and so forth."

"Representative McCormick on House Bill #1. I mean Amendment #1 to House Bill 218."

"I don't know where he is, Mr. Speaker, but I have an identical Amendment and he agreed to table his, I don't know if you want to take my word for that or not."

"Well, I'd be glad to take your word, Representative but I think that..."

"I would move to table Amendment #1."

"This is with agreement with Representative McCormick, you got that agreement? The Gentleman's moved to table Amendment #1 to House Bill 218, are there any objections? Hearing none, Amendment #1 is tabled. Further Amendments? Amendment #1 is withdrawn. Further Amendments."

"Floor Amendment #2 amends House Bill 218 on page one, line 19 and so forth, Friedrich."

"Mr. Speaker, this Amendment...the Bill in its substance says that you have to be in active duty six months in the military to get a veterans preference and not have a dishonorable discharge and it was called to my attention that there might be a need for those who have been released from active duty because of a service-connected disability and that's what this Amendment does and I move its adoption."

"Is there any discussion pertaining to Amendment #2 on House Bill 218? Gentleman moves for the adoption on 18  STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 17th Legislative Day March 25, 1981 Amendment 2 on House Bill 218. All those in favor will signify by saying 'aye', all opposed 'no', the 'ayes' have it and the Amendment's adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. On the Calendar on page two, under the Order of House Bills, Second Reading appears House Bill #89, Representative Deuster. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 89, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Vehicle Code, Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions filed with respect to Amendment #1?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2, Giglio amends House Bill 89 on the title and introduction clause and so forth."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Giglio on Amendment #2."

"Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, Amendment #2 puts on the 65 mile an hour speed limit on the interstate. The Bill says 65 mile an hour speed limit on the Illinois Toll Road. This Amendment puts it on the interestate. I think it's about time that the State of Illinois send to Washington it's message that if they're going to build these highways to accomodate the speed and put the money in and allow for the weight that we ought to utilize the speed limit on the highways, and therefore; I would ask for your favorable support."

"Is there any discussion relative to Amendment #2? The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Leverenz."

"The Sponsor take a question or two?"

"Indicates he will."

"What is the status then? Did we hear from the Department of Transportation relative to the possible loss 19  STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 17th Legislative Day March 25, 1981 of federal funds?"

"Well, at one time there was a possible loss during the previous administration in Washington but the current administration if you recall, campaigned on the idea that the Government would be returned back to the states and that the states mandated their own programs perhaps the Federal Government would release the states to do what they want."

"The cause is admirable but did the Department of Transportation come our with any memorandum relative to the federal funds?"

"No, they haven't at the present time, however; if we did pass this Bill and by the time it got through the Senate and hopefully on the Governor's desk by that time the Federal Government may move a little quicker on their decisions as to what they want to do."

"Super, thank you."

"Is there any further discussion? The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of Amendment #2 to House Bill 89. All those in favor will signify by saying 'aye', all opposed by saying 'no'. The 'ayes' have it the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. On page three of the Calendar under the Order of House Bills, Second Reading appears House Bill 288, Representative Lechowicz. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 288, a Bill for an Act to create a child sexual abuse and exploitation prevention demonstration center, Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Are there any Motions filed with respect to Amendment #1?"

"No Motions filed." 20  STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 17th Legislative Day March 25, 1981

"Any Amendments from the floor?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 292, Representative Lechowicz."

"House Bill 292, a Bill for an Act to amend the Revenue Act, Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Amendments from the floor?"

"Floor Amendment #1, Lechowicz-Ewing, amends House Bill 292 on page one and so forth."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Lechowicz on Amendment #1."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, Amendment #1 is the Amendment that was recommended by the Revenue Committee making the Bill applicable statewide and I move for it's adoption."

"Is there any discussion pertaining to Amendment #1 on House Bill 292? The Gentleman's moved for the adoption of Amendment #1 to House Bill 292, all in favor will signify by saying 'aye', all those opposed by saying 'no'. The 'ayes' have it and the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. The Calendar on page two under the Order of House Bills, Second Reading, Short Debate Calendar appears House Bill #73, Representative Bradley. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 73, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Vehicle Code, Second Reading of the Bill. Amendments #1 and 2 were adopted in Committee."

"The Gentleman...are there any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Amendments from the floor?" 21  STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 17th Legislative Day March 25, 1981

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 133, Representative Braun."

"House Bill..."

"Wait just a minute. Is Representative Braun on the floor? Out of the record. Introduction and First Reading of House Bills."

"House Bill 744, Stearney, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Regulatory Agencies Sunset Act, First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 745, Stearney, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Local Governmental and Governmental Employees Tort Immunity Act, First Reading of the Bill."

"On the Calendar on page four under the Order of House Bills, Third Reading appears House Bill 103, Representative Abramson. Out of the record. House Bill 109, Representative 109, Representative Ronan. Representative Ronan on the floor? Want your Bill called, Representative? Turn on Representative Ronan, would you please? Out of the record please. House Bill 116, Representative Vinson. Out of the record. House Bill 120, Representative Darrow, want the Bill read? Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 120, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act in regard to Attorney General and state's attorneys, Third Reading of the Bill."

"Let's bring the chamber to order. We're now on House Bills, Third Reading. Would the Members please be in their seats? Representative Darrow."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, what this Bill does is require the Attorney General to pay into the State Treasury all fees and cost recovered by him. This is in compliance with Article VII, Section 9A 22  STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 17th Legislative Day March 25, 1981 of the Illinois Constitution. I'd ask for a favorable vote."

"Is there any discussion relative to House Bill 120? The Gentleman has asked...has moved that House Bill 120 pass. All those in favor will signify by voting 'aye', all opposed by voting 'no'. Representative Greiman will you come to the podium please? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Take the record Mr. Clerk. On this issue there are 155 voting 'aye', 2 votin 'no' and this Bill having received the Constitutional Majority is hereby declared passed. House Bill 147, Representative Klemm. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 147, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Highway Code, Third Reading of the Bill."

"The Gentleman from McHenry, Representative Klemm."

"Well, thank you Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 147 basically makes some corrective changes in the Highway Code, recognizing the need to assist the many subdivision organizations with the responsibility for maintaining non-dedicated subdivision roads. The General Assembly passed legislation to permit townships and counties to use a portion of their motor fuel tax funds for helping the subdivisions maintain and improve their roads. In 1979 during consideration by the Legislature of a new highway package by error that provided that if roads are improved to standards set by a county they become part of the county road system. Well, this is really in conflict of the highway jurisdictional definitions in Article II of our Highway Code and also is in conflict with the counties chapter of counties being able to except...plan it's subdivision roads. In another words, this is really preventing counties from assisting subdivisions, improving their roads because they would end up maintaining their 23  STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 17th Legislative Day March 25, 1981 roads. I think an analogy would be if the Federal Government were to give you some funds to help state highways they now become federal highways or if the state were to help counties and townships, they become state highways. So this is just a corrective thing. It's no-cost, the township, we have an impact statement that actually...the maintenance of the roads by the township are for motor fuel tax funds. The actually receive about $550 per mile and they've estimated cost is only $500 per mile. So, we've actually the townships will gain rather then lose. It's to help non-dedicated subdivision roads and I know you'll want to join me in support of this Bill. Thank you."

"Is there any further discussion? The Gentleman from Marion, Representative Friedrich."

"Would the Sponsor yield?"

"He indicates he will."

"If the street or road whichever it turns out to be is non-dedicated then it is not a public road, right?"

"That is correct. It's a public road that's maintained by private funds."

"Well, it wouldn't be maintained by private fund if you used the motor fuel tax, how can you use motor fuel tax on a non-public road?"

"Because the General Assembly allowed townships and counties to take, on a voluntary basis, a portion up to 20%, a portion of their funds to help a subdivision with non-dedicated roads to improve them and possibly to encourage them to get into a road system so that they could help themselves."

"Well, in the case of a city, normally a city will not take on a subdivision until that subdivision has been brought up to the standards that are required with that 24  STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 17th Legislative Day March 25, 1981 city. Now, is there any requirement like that here or does the township take...possibly take on a mudhole that the taxpayers have to support?"

"No, the current Legislation both in counties and in municipalities is that current subdivisions coming into a municipality must have those roads improved before they except them."

"Right."

"This is basically to correct counties that possibly, and I know that in the counties that I represent, who didn't have those requirements until 1953. So, subdivisions were able to bulldoze a dirt road, sell summer lots along say the lakes and that and never have to improve them and since 1953 they can't do that but we have in our particular area and many areas in the rural state, subdivisions that have been platted prior to 1953. They are still private roads. We're trying to help them get them up to the 20th century. The townships do support the concept, the counties do support it and the municipalities do also. That was the original intent."

"Thank you."

"Is there any further discussion? The Gentleman from McHenry, Representative Klemm to close."

"Well, I just want to let you know the Committee did vote unanimously in support of the Bill. It is a good Bill, it was the intent of the General Assembly to do this and I certainly request your vote, favorably. Thank you."

"The question is 'Shall House Bill 147 pass?'. All those in favor will signify by voting 'yes', all those opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Take the record, Mr. Clerk. On this issue there are 140 'yes', 9 voting 'no' and 9 'present'. This Bill having received the Constitutional Majority is 25  STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 17th Legislative Day March 25, 1981 hereby declared passed. House Bill 159, Representative Ronan. Gentleman on the floor? Take the Bill out of the record. House Bill 195, Representative Darrow. Out of the record. House Bill 260, Representative Levin. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 260, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act concerning public utilities, Third Reading of the Bill."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Levin."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, four years ago Northern Illinois Gas attempted to impose a $4.00 a month surcharge an extra charge on customers that use solar energy. It was hard to find a justification for this charge. What it basically did was single out a certain class of customersand discourage...tried to discourage, I guess what it's competition to gas. This General Assembly in response to that action passed House Bill 748 which prohibited utilities from imposing surcharges or extra charges on customers that use solar energy. At the request of Common Wealth Edison that had an experimental program there was a five year limitation on that statute. House Bill 260 simply extends the effectiveness of that law for an additional two years. It was supported in Committee by the Commerce Commission and as well as by Common Wealth Edison that continues to have an experimental program as far as solar energy. Talking to representative of a couple of the Chicago gas companies that in the Committee, it opposed the Bill, there was no testimony. They indicated that they were no longer opposed to the Bill. Their sole concern was that it not be used as a vehicle for Floor Amendments, which is something I had agreed too. I think it's a noncontroversial Bill. It simply continues a policy which has been in effect now for a few years and I urge the support of the Members of the House for this legislation." 26  STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 17th Legislative Day March 25, 1981

"Is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Kosinski."

"If the Gentleman will yield?"

"Indicates he will."

"You indicated it was hard to find justification for the $4.00 surcharge and yet it would appear to me that the company would give some justification. What was their thinking in terms of the surcharge?"

"When reques...when asked about their justification, they withdrew the charge. It was an embarrassment to them once there was publicity about what they had attempted to do. The...what the Bill suggests the philosophy behind the legislation is that no class of customers should be singled out for an extra or special charge; that you should be billed based on what you use and if you have...you use a certain amount of service, you should pay accordingly. But that...just because incidently you happen to use solar energy which means that you are going to use less gas, you shouldn't be penalized with a special charge."

"Well, the philosophy behind this is apparent to me and paletable but I still haven't gotten an answer to my question. I would presume that company who puts on the surcharge has some reason for it...some cost involvement and that's what I'm attempting to discover. What is that cost involvement that makes them reflect that surcharge?"

"When we asked them for an analysis, a cost analysis they could produce no analysis other than to suggest that it meant there would be less use of gas which they did not want but as far as cost, it simply means that instead of using 100 therms of gas, you may use 40 or 30 therms of gas. Then you're rates are adjusted accordingly. The was the rate structure is for most gas companies, the more you use the cheaper it is so that if you only use a little bit 27  STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 17th Legislative Day March 25, 1981 you pay more per therm. This would not effect that in any way, shape or form. So, that's...there was no justification economically that we were able to find at the time and the Bill of three years ago was passed by the House, I think it was about 160 to 4, vote. It passed overwhelmingly in both the House and Senate and was signed by the Governor and what we're just seeking to do at this point, is to extend it for two additional years. Common Wealth Edison has an experimental program involving solar energy in which they have approximately 100 customers and they have asked for the additional time because they don't feel statistically that they are able to draw all the conclusions they liked...they would like to draw. They, however support this extension, they think that it's a good Bill and they support it also, the original law when it was passed three years ago."

"Thank you, I think."

"Is there any further discussion? The Gentleman from Madison, Representative Steele."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I rise in support of this measure. It merely extends what is the existing law now. The existing law which prohibits utitilities from discriminating against those who use solar heat will expire next year unless this type of legislation is passed which extends it for a more lengthy period of time. It is supported by the Institute of National Resources and the Illinois Commerce Commission, I think it is a good Bill, which merely extends present existing law and I urge your support."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Conti."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, what concerns me most about this Bill is, who's going to pick up the cost for these utilities what that will provide standby 28  STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 17th Legislative Day March 25, 1981 services for those people that are using solar energy? And then...another part of it that concerns me is that the Illinois Commerce Commission by agreeing to this Bill is advocating their responsibility for setting rates and I have my doubts about this Bill and I would take a second look at it. Someone is going to have to pick up that cost of the utility companies for providing standby services for these people that are using solar energy."

"The Gentleman from DeWitt, Representative Vinson. Representative Peters. Are you through Representative Conti? Yes, you're through. Representative Peters."

"I move the previous question."

"The Gentleman moves the previous question. All in favor signify by saying 'aye', all opposed say 'no', the 'ayes' have it. The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Levin to close."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There is no additional cost as a result of this policy. Most utilities impose a basic charge for service and that is to pick up any standby cost that there are. You might make the same arguement that there's an additional cost if you are asked to conserve on electricity or gas because it's going to mean you're going to use less. This is a good conservation measure, it makes sense economically. It says the rate structures are not suppose to discriminate against any class of customers. It is a law now. We simply, as Representative Steele suggested, seek to extend its effectiveness for another two years and I urge an affirmative vote."

"The question is 'Shall House Bill 260 pass?'. Those in favor will signify by voting 'aye' all opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Representative Tate would you push Representative Piel's button, please? Have all voted who wish? Take the 29  STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 17th Legislative Day March 25, 1981 record. On this issue there are 158 voting 'yes', 5 voting 'no' and 2 voting 'present' and this Bill having received the Constitutional Majority is hereby declared passed. The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Madigan."

"Mr. Speaker, I request that you go to the Order of Motions on page seven of the Calendar and that you call my second Motion of House Resolution 117. In the alternative, Mr. Speaker if you decline to honor my request I now so move that the Order of business be changed and that we immediately take up for consideration my second Motion on House Resolution 117 on page seven of the Calendar."

"The Gentleman, Mr. Vinson."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, I would suggest that before Mr. Madigan really does this and that he take it out of the record at this point and go over and consult Senator Totten on the appropriate way to do it."

"Representative Madigan you weren't recognized for that purpose. We are in the middle of Third Reading. On the Calendar on page four to the Order of Third Reading appears House Bill 276, Representative Kelly. Out of the record. House Bill 290, Representative Capparelli. The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Capparelli. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 290..."

"Out of the record, Mr. Clerk. Representative Dunn do you seek recognition? Representative Lechowicz do you seek recognition?"

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker as a matter of courtesy when any Member of the House from last year requests for a conference, his request was honored and I would hope that the same request by the Minority Leader of our Party would be honored as well. A call for a caucus is always in order, we're requesting...be a call for the caucus to..." 30  STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 17th Legislative Day March 25, 1981

"Caucus is granted, Mr. Lechowicz. The Democrats will meet in Room 118, the Republicans will meet in 114, 30 minute caucus. It's now ten minutes after one, we'll back here at twenty minutes till two. The House stands in recess. Representative Greiman."

"Well, Mr. Speaker, I just wanted to point out under Rule 10B..."

"Well, you're out of order, we're in recess now. We can talk about it when we come back from caucus. The House stands in recess. Republican Conference in 114, Democrat's Conference in Room 118....The House will come to order, the Members will please be in their seats. Mr. Doorkeeper, would you make sure that we have all unauthorized people removed from the floor, please. The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Telcser."

"Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, Minority Leader... on the floor? I would...I would like to ask leave for the Members of the House to consider a Motion which has not appeared on todays printed Calendar. The Motion is in connection with House Bill 737, 738, 39, 40, 41, 42 and 43 dealing with the transportation Bills which were introduced yesterday regarding Governor Thompson's message on the transportation issue. I would like leave of the House to deal with the Motion in which I will ask to suspend the provisions of Rule 18 so that those Bills may be posted for a Committee of the Whole later this week."

"The Gentleman from...the Lady from Champaign, Representative Satterthwaite."

"Will the Sponsor of the Motion yield?"

"He indicates he'll yield."

"Representative, I don't seem to have any volume."

"Representative Satterthwaite, would you use the mic next to you, please? Evidently your is not working 31  STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 17th Legislative Day March 25, 1981 properly."

"Representative, I gathered from the Governor's message yesterday that these transportation Bills were some of the major issues that we were going to have to address this Session. Would you agree with that?"

"Clearly."

"Then may I ask why it seems so urgent that we do it in such a way that we do not have time to thoroughly consider the Bills ourselves or to have any public input on this measure?"

"Well, Representative, first of all public input is better served in our view with the Committe of the Whole and that's the purpose for ask...the purpose for which we'll be asking to have these Bills put in a Committee of the Whole so we can have broader public participation. Secondly, the obvious reason to try and move these Bills along and to keep the Assembly here doing our work is because of the imminent fiscal crisis which we are all trying to deal with in the northern part of the state. We feel strongly that it's incumbent upon the Members of the House to stay and work on the problem so that the people who depend on mass transportation can hopefully have a solution to an imminent problem."

"Well, Representative I agree that we need to do something expidiciously but I doubt that waiving our rule for a five day posting notice and the other kinds of protections that we have tried to build into our procedures is really going to be an advantage either for the Legislators or for the public at large and I would feel that we would best serve our constituency by following the general rules of operation of the House."

"Well, Representative I fully intend to follow the general rules for operation of the House that is exactly 32  STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 17th Legislative Day March 25, 1981 why I'm asking leave to make consideration of a Motion which does not appear on a printed Calendar."

"The Gentleman from DeWitt...pardon me, the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Madigan."

"Mr. Speaker, let me first of all address myself to the Majority Leader, I had said from the beginning of this Session that the question of transportation as it relates to the Road Fund and the RTA deserved serious and immediate attention by this Assembly and you may recall Mr. Majority Leader that I had requested a Committee of the Whole on a Bill that dealt with this same subject matter and I'd been interested in extracting your remarks from the record as to why we could not have a Committee of the Whole at that time but that we can have one at this time and I would suggest to you, Sir that it would hold well for you in your reputation if you would conduct yourself in a consistent manner throughout this Session. Not that you don't try but that you should.."

"Would you confine your remarks to the Gentleman's Motion, Mr. Madigan?"

"In regard to the Gentleman's request for leave, Mr. Majority Leader would you except as an addition to that Motion, my Motion which appears on the Calendar on page seven that House Resolution 117 be considered in a Committee of the Whole."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Telcser."

"Well, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House, the Majority Leader has been so interested in his partisan, political activity for the last few weeks, he's simply or the Minority Leader..."

"Excuse me for just a minute, Representative Cullerton do you seek recognition?"

"...The Gentleman simply refuses to recognize what a 33  STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 17th Legislative Day March 25, 1981 Committee of the House has found out in the last few weeks. That is they've looked at the facts regarding the financial condition of the Regional Transportation Authority and the Chicago Transit Authority and have now brought to this Assembly facts upon which we can act. When the Gentleman introduced his Bill some weeks ago that was prior to our having any facts or figures available to us. All we were depending on in the House were rumors and half truths and newspaper articles. We now have the facts regarding the financial situation facing the transportation system in the State of Illinois and it is for those reasons and for that reason specifically that I'm now asking for a Committee of the Whole. I think if the Gentleman reflects back to my earlier remarks he knows that one of the things we wanted first, were facts and it's about time that this House move forward with facts and not with fiction and political speeches. Secondly, the Gentleman is asking me about Resolution 117 which really has nothing whatever to do directly with the Transportation issue. It's another political request, I don't think it's necessary and I think that any Motions relative to House Resolution 117 would have to go up or down on their own merit."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Madigan."

"Mr. Speaker, I now move to amend the Gentleman's Motion by including my request that House Resolution 117 be considered in a Committee of the Whole and I further provide that that Committee of the Whole be set on the same day as the Committee of the Whole which you propose to establish for your House Bills 743 and 742 and the others."

"Representative Madigan, your Motion is not timely, it's out of order, Representative Telcser is asking only for leave and your Motion is not timely at this time. The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Levin." 34  STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 17th Legislative Day March 25, 1981

"Would the Majority Leader yield for a question?"

"He indicates he will."

"Could you indicate, Representative Telcser, when you have in mind calling this Committee of the Whole. We've heard rumors from the radio and TV in Chicago that we were going to be kept in Session over the weekend. Is it your intention...is it your intention to bring this up over the weekend?"

"It's our hope to have the Committee of the Whole to meet on Friday."

"The Gentleman from DeWitt, Representative Vinson."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. I think one thing that Representative Telcser neglected to mention when he talked about the reason why we should have a Committee of the Whole now is the fact that in the past week the Chairman of the RTA has rolled back fares and has announced his intention, his desire to roll back fares further. We obviously have a crisis on our hands at this point that we didn't have when he...when Mr. Madigan made his Motion some weeks ago. In addition to that, I'd simply make the point that in June of last year by two votes we enacted a temporary bail-out plan and we failed to deal with the real issue of transportation funding in this State. The Legislature did not deal with it in the Fall Session, it didn't deal with it in January, it didn't deal with it in February and it would appear to me that what Mr. Madigan is arguing for is a strategy of brinksmanship to not deal with it until the RTA is closed down. So I would urge that everybody grant Mr. Telcser leave on his request."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Bullock."

"Mr. Bullock, I rise on a point of order."

"State your point." 35  STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 17th Legislative Day March 25, 1981

"Mr. Speaker, on what order of business are we presently engaging in this debate?"

"I have recognized Representative Telcser to make a Motion, and he made the Motion, Representative."

"Has a, Mr. Speaker has a Motion been filed?"

"Motion is filed. Motion filed, Mr. Clerk?"

"Would the Clerk read the Motion, Mr. Speaker?"

"Has the Motion been filed, Mr. Clerk? No, there's no need to file, Representative, he's asked leave to make a formal Motion and that's what this...that's what his Motion is now is to ask leave to make the Motion he wants to make. The Gentleman from Lake, Representative Matijevich."

"Speaker, would the Gentleman yield?"

"Excuse me...just a minute, Representative Matijevich. Representative Bullock."

"You turned my mic off."

"Well, I thought you were through, I'm sorry."

"No, Sir. Mr. Speaker, what's required for us to consider theGentleman's Motion?"

"He has to have unanimous leave before we can consider the Motion."

"Well, I certain..."

"Well, at the time I put the Motion, you can object."

"Can I speak to the Motion?"

"Yes."

"Mr. Speaker, I think the Minority Leader in his opening remarks addressed an issue of fairness here and I think many of us on this side of the aisle has been subjected to an extreme amount of unfairness particularly in Committees when many of our measures of importance to the citizens of the State of Illinois have not even been considered on its merits because of the partisan nature on which some Members 36  STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 17th Legislative Day March 25, 1981 on your side of the aisle..."

"Would you confine your remarks to the Gentleman's Motion, please?"

"But notwithstanding that fact, Mr. Speaker, in addressing the Gentleman's Motion, we had a presentation here yesterday by the Chief-Executive of the State of Illinois some seven pages in length which exceeded perhaps an hour in presentation and during that time some issues were raised that citizens of my district and I hope in your district are concerned about. And I think in good faith if we would like to act upon this monumental proposal that we should be given the right, individually and collectively to listen to the words of constituents who will be saddled with this heinous tax increase as proposed by the Chief-Executive of the state but so that we will be able to vote in clear conscious we should be allowed to return to our districts over the weekend and listen to the constituents. They are sending many messages as you know, and I think that in all fairness we should defeat the Gentleman's Motion for it is not timely. It is consistent with the manner in which this House has been operating previously and a very partisan nature. As a Member of the minority party, I think we should be given just consideration in our request and certainly our Minority Leader has not been given that consideration with prior Motions, and I respectfully will stand in opposition and vote no on the Gentleman's Motion."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Madigan. The Gentlemanfrom Cook, Representative Collins."

"Well, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I'd like to know, where are we, Mr. Speaker? There's been a lot of talk on the floor, but, as I understand it, the Gentleman asked leave to suspend a rule 37  STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 17th Legislative Day March 25, 1981 so he could place a Motion. Is that correct or has he been given leave?"

"You're correct. He has been given leave and that's exactly where we are."

"I would suggest that this is not debatable, Mr. Speaker. That he was either granted leave or he was not and if he is not granted leave then it has to be put to a Roll Call."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Madigan."

"Mr. Speaker, before you accelerate the program as I know you are being told to do, I wish to state now that despite your again arbitrary ruling on my effort to amend this Motion..."

"It's not a Motion, Representative." Madigan: "...to consider rules it will be a Motion to consider rules at the same time as we consider these Bills, despite your arbitrary and capricious action, once again, I plan to support Mr. Telcser's request which is for a Committee of the Whole on Friday on these Bills. I'm available..."

"Representative Madigan, let me interrupt for just a minute if I may. Your Motion was untimely. When it's timely I'll allow you to put that Motion. Right now the Gentleman has only asked leave so he can put the Motion and when he puts the Motion then your Motion will be timely and if that's arbitrary and capricious, I apologize."

"Thank you. Getting back to Mr. Telcser's request, I will support the Gentleman's request for the Committee of the Whole on Friday, but I wish to say to you now and to say to the Assembly that it is my view that Bills of this magnitude should not be rammed through this Assembly, and if I am not satisfied with the condition of the Bill when it is called on Third Reading then I will so state that and 38  STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 17th Legislative Day March 25, 1981 either object to the passage of the Bill, prevent the passage of the Bill or record myself appropriately."

"Would the House be at ease for just a minute, please? We're back in Session now. Representative Madigan, had you completed your discussion?"

"Mr. Speaker you say that previously that my Motion for Amendment was not timely and when it was timely you would call upon me to offer that Motion and I wish to state to you now, that when in your opinion it is timely I would like to be..."

"I said I'd do that, Representative and I will continue to do that. The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Telcser."

"Mr. Speaker, do I then understand that I have leave to put a Motion?"

"No, I haven't put the question yet, Representative Telcser."

"I don't have leave?"

"No, these fellows want to discuss it some more, Representative Matijevich..."

"Mr. Speaker, would the Gentleman yield to a question or two?"

"He indicates he will."

"Well, Representative Telcser you indicated that we're going to be here Friday for the Committee of the Whole, could you...I think this is...the Membership ought to know what is going on, Representative Collins. We've been in the dark long enough this Session. Could you give us a further timetable after the Committee of the Whole because of the quote 'importance' of this package of Bills?"

"We're looking to begin a Committee of the Whole on Friday of this week. Depending upon how many people want 39  STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 17th Legislative Day March 25, 1981 to come to Springfield and express to the Legislature their points of view regarding this particular piece of legislation, we would then go obviously to the Order of Second Reading. We're trying to set aside some possible time also for Saturday for the Committee of the Whole. We're not going to be able to determine that at this moment until we see just first of all, if we'll get the votes to suspend the posting notices in example to see if we can in fact get the Committee of the Whole convened for Friday. We'll look at the schedule depending upon the public's request to come in and testify and then just keep moving along to Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday and so on to conduct the necessary hearings and Second Readings in order to either pass or defeat the legislation. All we can tell you now is that we on the Republican side of the aisle are willing to and want to stay in Springfield to resolve this transportation problem and put in whatever time is necessary. We're hoping that we can at least look to some sort of break on Sunday but if not we're going to be here and work."

"Well, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentleman, that timetable really wasn't clear to me, we all know that it takes five days to pass a Bill. Now, I think that every Member ought to have input...input, i-n-p-u-t, everybody get that spelling, Tony, input on any legislation that is as monumental as this is. I think that I have a right to that procedure. Now, the public ought to be here. I don't think Friday, the day after tomorrow gives the public adequate notice, that's why we've had provision in our rules for adequate posting notice. Now, I sat on a select Committee, I didn't create that Committee, Mr. Ryan, Mr. Speaker and Art Telcser. You created that Committee. Why did you create that Committee and for us to come up with a 40  STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 17th Legislative Day March 25, 1981 report and your Governor...your Governor's people, Mr. Kramer told us that the timetable is April 18, April 18. There isn't that emergency right now. Now, what are we afraid of? Are we afraid of doing something deliberately, the way we should? You know we passed the RTA in five days and look what happened. I think that everybody ought to study it and prepare Amendments, now we must be afraid of something. Are we afraid of the fact that we go back home and the people find out that their...gas at the pump price may be ten cents increase and then all of you who now think that you are going to support it, won't support it. Are you afraid that you are going to talk to senior citizens and they're going to say, 'Hey, why didn't you exempt home heating fuel as they did in New York?' Are you afraid that you're going to go back and they're going to say to you, 'Why didn't you pass the anti-pass-through so that the oil companies pay and not the consumers?' What is the reason because of the emergency is not today? It's April 18. Your secretary of the Department of Labor said that. Now, my devious mind tells me that there only could be one political reason for it because part of the reason that we are in this bind is the fact that we are not going to get the federal funds for transportation and who's coming to town, Wednesday? President Reagan. Are you afraid to embarrass the President of the United States on this issue..."

"Representative Matijevich, confine your remarks to the Gentleman's Motion."

"I want to find out why we are going to work the weekend when we don't have to..."

"Representative Matijevich will you answer the Gentleman's question, please?"

"I think I've got a right to continue and I think I'm 41  STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 17th Legislative Day March 25, 1981 on point. I'm on point because you want to ram this down the taxpayers throats and not...by Monday so..."

"Hold off just a minute, shut him off. Representative Bluthardt, for what reason do you arise?"

"I'd like to remind the Speaker that he is the first one to get up and jump, that you have ruled on the matter and he should sit down and be quiet now. He's out of order."

"Your point is well taken. The Gentleman from Macon, Representative Dunn."

"Well, Mr. Speaker we're all talking about the process of deliberation in this room and if it will help at all, I will indicate to the Speaker at the appropriate time I will object to the request for leave and maybe that will move us on to the next Motion."

"But we have several Members that would like to speak and whenthey have all had their opportunity, I'll certainly go back to the Sponsor of the Motion. Representative Kane."

"Just for the record, Mr. Speaker, I would object to his request for leave...unless the Motion is amended."

"Well, you'll have an opportunity to do that just shortly. Representative Telcser would you...well, just a minute...just a minute.. Representative Madigan."

"Mr. Speaker, I might suggest that as you recognize people to speak on this question that you might instruct the Clerk to repair a Supplemental Calendar which will be needed in order to move ahead with Mr. Telcser's question. If that Calendar is not prepared then we would be prevented from an orderly consideration of the question today."

"Thank you, Mr. Madigan that's already been prepared. Mr. Telcser."

"Has the Clerk distributed the Supplemental Calendar 42  STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 17th Legislative Day March 25, 1981 yet? Mr. Speaker, have the Members given me leave to proceed with this Motion?"

"The Gentleman asked leave, are there objections? Objections are noted Representative Telcser. Leave is denied."

"Is the Supplemental Calendar printed and distributed?"

"It is printed and will be distributed shortly. The Gentleman from Effingham, Representative Brummer."

"Yes, has House Bill 737 been printed and distributed to the Members?"

"Yes, I understand it has."

"No one seems to have it on their desk here, other than the Minority Leader. I asked a Page to get me a copy and I was informed that there were no copies available."

"Well, they were printed and distributed, Representative."

"Does the Clerk have a reservoir of one free..one additional copy?"

"I'm sure we can find you a copy. Gentleman from Peoria, Representative Schraeder, for what purpose do you arise?"

"Well, Mr. Speaker I don't know if it's a point of personal privilege or not but I'd ask for a moment. I received this morning upon arrival of the House the set of seven or eight Bills, I'm not sure of the exact number. One of those Bills...in total pages...totaled 91, now I don't know how many the whole package contained but suffice it to say it's very much well over 100 pages. Two days ago our Governor gave us a speech on what he thought ought to be a reasonable transportation package and for some unknown reason, we have not even been able to get a copy of the Governor's statement of two days ago. They took...it took almost a week for me to get a copy of the budgets message 43  STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 17th Legislative Day March 25, 1981 from the Governor and I don't know the reason for that but now for the Leadership of the Republican aisle to come in here with a series of Bills, numbering 100-150-200 pages and say that we're going to Committee and have a Committee of the House in the Whole on Friday is ludicrous. How in the world can we talk to our constituents or even open the pages of the Bill without adequate preparation?"

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Telcser."

"Mr. Speaker, pursuant to House Rule #18 I move the posting requirements for hearing House Bills 737, 38, 39, 40, 41 and 42 and 43 be placed in the Committee of the Whole on March 27th, 1981 at the hour of 10:00 a.m. at...that that rule be waived so that the Bills could be put in the Committee of the Whole at that time."

"The...The Gentleman has moved that the provisions of Rule 18 be suspended so Bills 737 through 43...743 can be heard in a Committee of the Whole...Can be heard on Friday..can be heard on Friday morning at 10 o'clock in a Committee of the Whole. Is there any discussion? Representative Madigan."

"Mr. Speaker, I wish to amend that Motion and I move that the pending Motion by Representative Telcser be amended to add the following: 'that the House of Representatives be convened at the same time to consider House Resolution 117 in a Committee of the Whole'."

"Representative, where is your Bill (sic) now? Where is House Bill (sic) 117?"

"Assigned to the Speaker's Table."

"Well, Representative, your Motion would then be out of order...or..not germane because the Bills that Representative Telcser has asked for in a Committee of the Whole... have been assigned to the Committee of the Whole and yours are now in Committee. Representative Vinson." 44  STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 17th Legislative Day March 25, 1981

"I'm not positive what you just ruled, Mr. Speaker. What I was going to object to was Mr. Madigan's Amendment because Mr. Telcser...his Resolution...his Motion deals with the transportation subject. Mr. Madigan's Amendment to that would deal with the subject relating to the Rules of the House. It's totally non-germane. It's out of order. And I would urge that you so rule if you have not already."

"I've already ruled that the Amendment is not germane. And the question is now, 'Shall the Gentleman's Motion prevail?'. All those in favor will signify by voting 'aye' and all those opposed by voting 'no'. The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Madigan, to explain his vote."

"Mr. Speaker, a question of the Chair. How many votes are required for this Motion to ...?"

"107. The Gentleman from Adams, Representative McClain."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I'd ask you to oppose this Motion by Mr. Telcser and I'd ask you to do it on two points, if you would. First point I think cuts across both Republican and Democratic lines and that is, by this Motion to call for a Committee of the Whole on Friday, the only people that can come to testify on Friday will be those of whom...that would have had prior notice that, indeed, we are going to have the Committee of the Whole on Friday. So, in other words, private citizens or private contractors or users or even some oil companies that will not have been given the privilege of prior notice will not be able to be here on Friday. So, in other words, the Committee of the Whole will really besort of an exclusive group. It'll be IDOT, BOB and those of whom that have given prior warnings and I 45  STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 17th Legislative Day March 25, 1981 think that's unfair to the vast majority of the citizenry throughout the State of Illinois. The second issue, and I think this more or less goes to the downstate Democrats, if nothing else, Mr. Madigan's Office called today Steve Wood at the Illinois Department of Transportation and the Bureau of the Budget today asking for copies of all the working papers on how, indeed, the Governor came up with the figures that he did on his mass transit road program. Neither BOB nor IDOT have returned those calls since 11:00 o'clock this morning offering even a hint of those working papers. So, our staff on our side of the aisle can't even legitimately respond to the Committee of the Whole with even questions because we cannot even be given the privilege of those working papers or those kinds of information. So for... on those two points, one bipartisan and one from this side of the aisle, I'd ask you to oppose this Motion."

"The Gentleman from Bureau, Representative Mautino."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. For those of us, downstate, on both sides of the political aisle, there's one other item I think you should consider and consider very deeply. The package of Bills from 737 to 742 only has one piece of legislation that, if we did have a Committee of the Whole hearing, would take 107 votes. The rest would be 89 that would free-up everything to solve the problems in the northeastern part of the state. The only Bill that would take 107 would be the funding Bill for the debt service and the Bonding Authority for 400 million for the road program. Think about that. Think very seriously about that. All the other packages could be passed to bail out a system and the only one that would be on the short end will be the 400 46  STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 17th Legislative Day March 25, 1981. million for the Bonding Authority for the highway program. I'm voting no. Let's have it go through the Committees so that the report from the Ewing Committee, as well as the Transportation Committee, can look at all aspects and get the right figures on what we have to do."

"The Gentleman from Macon, Representative Dunn (Jack)." Dunn, Jack: "Mr. Speaker, I'd just like to advise all the Members, if we are in Session to discuss this issue Friday, to wear your old clothes. It's beginning to look like the train is on the track and I think the only reason we'll be here Friday is to build a depot. So, those who are not on can get on. So, wear your old clothes and be prepared for some work on Friday."

"The Gentleman from Winnebago, Representative Giorgi."

"Mr. Speaker, you mentioned earlier..."

"....For your explanation of vote, Representative."

"Yes. But you said that when it would be timely, you'd allow the House Bill (sic) 117 to be considered with this packet of Bills. You've already reneged on your word. It was timely when Representative Telcser listed his number of Bills. He should have listed #117 so that we could hear all seven ...eight Bills (sic)."

"No. I said that I would...Representative..."

"...You've already reneged on your word..."

"...Representative, I said that I would call on Representative Madigan to present his Motion. He was called on and it was ruled out of Order."

"Mr. Speaker, the timely moment was when Telcser listed his Bills. The House Bill (sic) 117 should have been included then. You've already reneged on your road, much like Blair used to do." 47  STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 17th Legislative Day March 25, 1981

"Thanks for the explanation of your vote, Representative. The Gentleman from Effingham, Representative Brummer."

"Yes. As Representative Dunn said, maybe the train is on the track and it's fruitless to stand in the way. I think it's important to stop and reflect for a moment on why we have posting requirements, so that people do have an opportunity ...opportunity to study and prepare for Committee hearings, to prepare leg...testimony for the Committee hearings. With regard to this legislation specifically, I think it's safe to say that it is the most significant item of legislation that is going to be considered this Session of the General Assembly. We will presumedly be in Session at least until June the 30th. The impacts are major and unknown. It is my judgment that the farm community specifically is going to bear just an extraordinary burden under the proposed Governor's tax inasmuch as they buy a great deal of diesel fuel and gasoline. All the fertilizers have a petrol-chemical base and I don't think that any of those organizations and entities will have any opportunity to study this and gather together their testimony prior to a Committee hearing on Friday. We ought to be in Session next week, post the legislation, give everyone an opportunity to examine it and study it and prepare their testimony with regard to that. Therefore, I would urge more no votes."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Huskey."

"Mr. Speaker, I move the previous question."

"We're in explanation of votes, Representative. The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Ewell."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen, I know that we talk about the right to hear, the right to know, posting notices and all of the other niceties of the legislative process. 48  STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 17th Legislative Day March 25, 1981 But I want to say to the freshmen Members and those who've only been here for a term or so that we aren't going to post. No one's going to know and we're going to pass massive Bills, massive Bills on the 30th day of the month. They'll come out of Conference Committees. Some of the subjects never will have been broached before. And I suggest to you that you just have to have faith in your Leadership because you're going to need it on the 30th."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Bullock, to explain his vote."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This Bill (sic) has national and international ramifications. I want you to know that next week the President of the United States is supposed to address this Body to state for us and ask for our support for his economic recovery plan. I think it would be altogether fitting and proper that we await the message from the President of the United States before we consider this far-reaching piece of legislation. In the spirit of bipartisanship, I'm going to vote 'no' with the hope that those of you on the right side of the aisle will see the light and join me in showing the kind of respectthat we should for our #1 citizen and await the message on economic recovery before we consider this piece of legislation."

"Have all voted who wish? Take the record, will you, Mr. Clerk? Representative Collins, for what purpose do you arise?"

"Mr. Speaker, this is a very important Roll Call and I notice that there is one Member who is recorded as voting 'present' who has been excused because of illness, I believe. And I wish that we would take Representative Tuerk's vote off the Roll Call."

"Remove Mr. Tuerk from the Roll Call. On this 49  STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 17th Legislative Day March 25, 1981 issue there are 130 voting 'yes', 38 voting 'no' and 1 voting 'present'. The Gentleman's Motion is adopted. The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Madigan, for what purpose do you arise?"

"Mr. Speaker, since we are now on the Order of Motions, I move that House Resolution 117 be established as a matter for consideration in a Committee of the Whole at the same time that you have established the Committee of the Whole for House Bills 737, et al."

"The Gentleman from Marion, Representative Friedrich."

"Mr. Speaker, Members of the House, I would like to oppose this Motion for a very simple reason, and that is that if Representative Madigan's Motion prevails, we'll be tied up in a long and arduous debate on an unlimited number of Amendments which I know have already been prepared for these rules. Now, why we should mix at this point the discussion of REA...ERA and CTA, I don't know. This alphabet's got me. But I can assure you that this is not of the import of the fact that people in Chicago may not be able to get to work and I don't feel like staying over the weekend to discuss ERA or anything about the rules."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Telcser."

"Well, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House, perhaps we can save a few moments and go right to the heart of the question, which we would have before us if and when we get to the Gentleman's Motion on that particular Order of Business. The Gentleman's Motion reads that he ask that the House Resolution 117 be reassigned from the Committee on Rules to a Committee of the Whole. I believe, Mr. Speaker, that House Resolution 117 is still on the Speaker's Table and if so, it is therefore not on... not in the Committee of Rules and as a result, the Gentleman's 50  STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 17th Legislative Day March 25, 1981 Motion is not properly put."

"Mr. Clerk, where is the Bill presently...the Resolution, House Resolution 117."

"House Resolution 117 is presently in Committee on Assignment."

"Representative Madigan."

"Mr. Speaker, there are two Motions on the Calendar and the second Motion states that I move that the House of Representatives be convened as a Committee of the Whole to take this Resolution under consideration to adopt permanent rules and at this time, I wish to amend my previous statement to request the Committee of the Whole to meet on Thursday, April 2nd."

"Representative Madigan, you have made one Motion. Now, you're making another Motion?"

"The first Motion I made, Mr. Speaker, and the transcript will prove this, was to call the Motion... the second Motion listed on the Calendar on page seven, which is a general Motion. And as my Motion now stands before the Body, it would be to establish a Committee of the Whole on House Resolution 117 on Thursday, April 2nd."

"Would you come to the podium, Mr. Madigan? We can make sure we've got the right Motion. You've got three of them filed here. We want to make sure you..."

"Might be better to transact this over the microphones."

"Mr. Madigan, we'll do it right out here in front of God and everybody if you'll come up here. We've got three Motions. We're not sure which one... We want to talk to you about it. The House will be back in order. Representative Madigan, on page seven of the Calendar, you've filed House Resolution... under the Order of Motions, House Resolution 117, requesting that pursuant to Rule 31-F, that House Resolution be reassigned from the 51  STATE OF ILLINOIS 82ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 17th Legislative Day March 25, 1981 Committee on Rules to a Committee of the Whole. That is the proper procedure, Representative Madigan, because because the Bill (sic) now lies in the Committee on Assignment. So, to create a Committee of the Whole, you have to move that Bill (sic) from the Committee on Assignment to the Committee of the Whole and under...on that basis, I move that...or...I rule that your present Motion is out of Order. The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Telcser."

"Mr. Speaker, I now move the House stand adjourned until Thursday, 12:00 noon."

"The Gentleman moves the House stand adjourned until Thursday, 12:00 noon. All in favor will signify by saying 'aye'. All opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it and the House stands adjourned until 12:00 o'clock noon on Thursday." 52