Illinois House Floor Debate — April 21, 1983

"The House shall come to order. The House shall come to order. The Members shall be in their chairs. We shall be led in prayer today by the Reverend Richard Chrisman, Pastor of the Chrisman United Methodist Church of Chrisman. Reverend Chrisman is a guest of Representative Harry 'Babe' Woodyard. Would the guests in the gallery please rise and join us in the invocation?"

"Let us pray. Almighty God, Lord of all nations and peoples, of all times and places, we give You thanks for this new day, for this new opportunity to live and to serve. We give You thanks for this Assembly, for this forum where elected Representatives can meet together to deal with the issues which concern the citizens of this state. We give you thanks for these men and women who are willing to devote the time and the energy necessary to study these issues and to create legislation intended to alleviate the problems. We pray that the decisions reached may be in accord with Your will and that nothing be done which is hurtful to the innocent or  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day April 21, 1983 one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

"Roll Call for Attendance. Mr. Greiman, are there any excused absences?"

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, Representatives Henry and Hutchins are absent due to illness. I wish the record would so show."

"Let the record show that Representative Henry and Hutchins are excused because of illness. For what purpose does Mr. Ropp seek recognition?"

"Mr. Speaker, for the purpose of an introduction. In the gallery to our immediate right is a group of eight students from the Illinois State University Student Chapter, affiliated with the Home Builders' Association of Illinois and the Bloomington - Normal Home Builders' Association and their two advisors, Dr. Wayne Zook and also home builder, Adam Maurer. Won't you kindly, warmly greet them? Stand up please. We're glad to have you here."

"Mr. Clerk, take the Attendance Roll Call. There are 115 Members responding to the Attendance Roll

Call. There is a quorum present. Committee Reports. Clerk O'Brien: "Representative Steczo, Chairman of the Committee on Counties and Townships, to which the following Bills were referred, action taken April 20, 1983, reported the same back with the following recommendations: 'do pass' House Bills 975, 1000, 1002, 1164 and 1202; 'do pass as amended House Bills 954 and 1136; 'do pass Short Debate' House Bill 1066; 'do pass as amended Consent Calendar' House Bill 757; and 'do pass Consent Calendar House Bill 1068. Representative Mulcahey, Chairman of the Committee on Elementary and Secondary Education, to which the following Bills were referred, action taken April 20, 1983, reported the same back with the following recommendations: 2  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day April 21, 1983 'do pass' House Bills 932, 1053, 1078, 1118, 1120, 1179, 1182 and 1223; 'do pass as amended' House Bills 615, 976 and 1084; 'do pass Consent Calendar' House Bill 1029; 'do pass Short Debate Calendar' House Bill 1114 and 'do pass as amended Short Debate Calendar' House Bills 782 and 1076. Representative Van Duyne, Chairman of the Committee on Energy, Environment and Natural Resources, to which the following Bills were referred, action taken April 20, 1983, reported the same back with the following recommendations: 'do pass as amended Short Debate' House Bill 828; 'do pass Consent Calendar' House Bill 1191. Representative Terzich, Chairman of the Committee on Executive, to which the following Bills were referred, action taken April 20, 1983, reported the same back with the following recommendations: 'do pass' House Bills 784, 925, 1032; 'do pass as amended' House Bill 90; 'do pass Consent Calendar' House Bills 466, 923 and 1091; 'do pass Short Debate Calendar' House Bills 947, 1003 and 1039; 'do pass as amended Short Debate' Calendar' House Bills 801, 960 and 1034; 'be adopted Short Debate' House Joint Resolution 26 and 'be adopted' House Joint Resolution Constitutional Amendment #13. Representative Satterthwaite, Chairman of the Committee on Higher Education, to which the following Bills were referred, action taken April 20, 1983, reported the same back with the following recommendations: 'do pass' House Bills 1315, 1316, 1317, 1319 and 1320; 'do pass as amended' House Bill 749; 'Interim Study Calendar' House Bill 325 and 1318. Representative Jaffe, Chairman of the Committee on Judiciary, to which the following Bills were referred, action taken April 20, 1983, reported the same back with the following recommendations: 'do pass as amended' House Bills 539, 655, 64, 872, 653 and 774; 'do pass Short Debate' House Bill 589; 'do pass as amended Short Debate' 3  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day April 21, 1983 House Bill 773; 'Interim Study' House Bills 435, 587, 656, 1103, 1109 and 1044; 'do pass as amended Consent Calendar' House Bill 781. Representative Farley, Chairman of the Committee on Labor and Commerce, to which the following Bills were referred, action taken April 20, 1983, reported the same back with the following recommendations: 'do pass' House Bill 820; 'do pass as amended' House Bill 1045. Representative Domico, Chairman of the Committee on Registration and Regulation, to which the following Bills were referred, action taken April 20, 1983, reported the same back with the following recommendations: 'do pass' House Bills 1074 and 1073; 'do pass as amended' House Bill 812 and 'do pass Short Debate' House Bill 441. Representative Pierce, Chairman of the Committee on Revenue, to which the following Bills were referred, action taken April 20, 1983, reported the same back with the following recommendations: 'do pass' House Bill 791 and 813; 'do pass as amended' House Bill 676; 'do pass Short Debate' House Bill 823; 'do pass as amended Short Debate' House Bill 756 and 930; 'Interim Study' House Bill 824; 'be adopted' House Joint Resolution Constitutional Amendment #2. Representative Wolf, Chairman of the Committee on Personnel and Pensions, to which the following Bills were referred, action taken April 20, 1983, reported the same back with the following recommendations: 'do pass' House Bills 646, 775, 806, 944, 1144, 1240, 1244, 1696 and 1789; 'do pass as amended' House Bills 338, 519, 647, 798, 1077 and 1242; 'do pass Short...excuse me, 'do pass Consent Calendar' House Bill 1017; 'do pass Short Debate Calendar' House Bill 1043, 1171 and 1209; 'do pass Short Debate Calendar as amended' House Bills 883 and 1158; 'Interim Study' House Bills 1016, 1028, 1193, 1210 and 1211."

"Introduction and First Reading." 4  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day April 21, 1983

"House Bill 2282, DeJaegher - et al, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Income Tax Act. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2283, Reilly - Wolf, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Vehicle Code. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2284, Matijevich - McAuliffe, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Vehicle Code. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 2285, McAuliffe - Matijevich, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Vehicle Code. First Reading of the Bill."

"For what purpose does Mr. Vinson seek recognition?"

"I'd like to request that the Speaker list Representative McAuliffe as an excused absence today."

"Let the record show that Representative McAuliffe is excused. On the Order of the Calendar...on page three of the Calendar on the Order of House Bills Second Reading Short Debate Calendar, there appears House Bill 58. Mr. Bowman, do you wish to call the Bill? The Gentleman... the Gentleman indicates he does not wish to call the Bill. House Bill 137, Mr. Terzich. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 137, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Revenue Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted previously."

"Are there any Motions?"

"No Motions filed."

"Yes, this Bill shall be left on the Order of Second Reading. House Bill 278, Mr. Levin. Is Mr. Levin in the chamber? Mr. Levin, House Bill 279. Mr. Levin. House Bill 485, Mr. McAuliffe. Is Mr. McAuliffe in the chamber? House Bill 860, Mr. Saltsman, do you wish to call your Bill? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill." 5  34th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 21, 1983

"House Bill 860, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Pension Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Are there any Motions?"

"No Motions filed."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills Second Reading, there appears House Bill 43. Mr. Cullerton, do you wish to call your Bill? The Gentleman indicates he does not wish to call his Bill. House Bill 78. Mr. Piel, do you wish to call your Bill? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 78, a Bill for an Act to change the dates of the general primary election. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #1, Piel, amends House Bill 78 on line 22..."

"Mr. Piel. Mr. Piel."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Amendment #1 to House Bill 78 merely changes the enacting date from 1983 to 1984, and I'd be willing to answer any questions the people would have."

"The Gentlemen moves for the adoption of Amendment #1. Is there any discussion? There being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall the Amendment be adopted?'. All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', all those opposed by saying 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Are there further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments?"

"Third Reading. On page four of the Calendar, House Bill 112. Mr. Preston, do you wish to call your 6  34th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 21, 1983 Bill? Is Mr. Preston in the chamber? House Bill 244. The Clerk informs the Chair that the fiscal note has not yet been filed; therefore, the Bill shall remain on the Order of Second Reading. House Bill 275. The Clerk informs the Chair that the fiscal note has not yet been filed; therefore, the Bill shall remain on the Order of Second Reading. House bill 276. Mr. Levin, do you wish to call your Bill? Mr. Levin, what is your pleasure relative to the entire series of Bills which ends at 285? The Gentleman indicates that he does not wish to call the Bills sponsored by him on the Calendar: House Bill 276, 277, 280, 282, 283, 284 and 285. House Bill 295, Representative Satterthwaite. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 295, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Pension Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Are there any Motions?"

"No Motions filed."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 312. The Clerk informs the Chair that the fiscal note has not yet been filed; therefore, the Bill shall remain on the Order of Second Reading. House Bill 315, Mr. Yourell. 315. The Gentleman indicates he does not wish to call the Bill. House Bill 336. The Clerk informs the Chair that the fiscal note has not yet been filed; therefore, the Bill shall remain on the Order of Second Reading. House Bill 379. Mr. Capparelli, do you wish to call your Bill? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 379, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Pension Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee." 7  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day April 21, 1983

"Are there any Motions?"

"No Motions filed."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2, Capparelli, amends House Bill 379 as amended."

"Mr. Capparelli."

"Amendment #2 changes the location of a date in the Bill, January 1st, 1984. And it makes it permissive for widows to accept...use the annuity or the old or new method of annuity for their retirement, and I would ask you to accept the Amendment."

"The Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment #2. Is there any discussion? There being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall the Amendment be adopted?'. All those in favor signify by saying 'aye, all those opposed by saying 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Are there further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 394. Mr. Leverenz, do you wish to call your Bill? Is Mr. Leverenz in the chamber? House Bill 409. Mr. McGann, do you wish to call your Bill? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 409, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Pension Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Are there any Motions?"

"No Motions filed."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 424. The Clerk informs the Chair that the fiscal note has not yet been filed; therefore, the Bill shall remain on the Order of Second Reading. House Bill 439. Mr. Marzuki, do you wish 8  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day April 21, 1983 to call your Bill? Mr. Marzuki, do you wish to call your Bill? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 439, a Bill for an Act to create an Office of Product Research and Development in the Department of Commerce and Community Affairs. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Are there any Motions?"

"No Motions filed."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 461. Mr. McMaster, do you wish to call your Bill? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 461, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of an Act in relation to natural resources. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Are there any Motions?"

"No Motions filed."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 467. Mr. Kulas, do you wish to call your Bill? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 467, a Bill for an Act to exempt hearing aids from certain taxation. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"None."

"Third Reading. House Bill 494, Representative Younge. The Lady indicates she does not wish to call her Bill. House Bill 514, Mr. Steczo. Mr. Steczo. Is Mr. Steczo in the chamber? House Bill 536, Mr. O'Connell. Is Mr. O'Connell in the chamber? The Gentleman indicates he 9  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day does not wish to call the Bill. House Bill 552, Mr. Stuffle. Is Mr. Stuffle in the chamber? House Bill 561. Mr. Panayotovich, do you wish to call your Bill? The Gentleman indicates he does not wish to call his Bill. House Bill 574. Mr. Birkinbine, do you wish to call your Bill? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 574, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Soil and Water Conservation District Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Mr. Clerk, are there any Committee Amendments?"

"No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"None."

"Third Reading. House Bill 580. Mr. Van Duyne, do you wish to call your Bill? The Gentleman indicates he does not wish to call his Bill. House Bill 582, Mr. Stuffle, do you wish to call your Bill? Is Mr. Stuffle in the chamber? House Bill 606. Mr. Jaffe, do you wish to call your Bill? 606? The Gentleman indicates he does not wish to call his Bill. House Bill 619, Mr. Jaffe. Mr. Jaffe, the Clerk informs the Chair that the fiscal note has not yet been filed; therefore, this Bill shall remain on the Order of Second Reading. And, Mr. Jaffe, on House Bill 620, the Clerk informs the Chair that the fiscal note has not yet been filed; therefore, the Bill shall remain on the Order of Second Reading. House Bill 682, Mr. Matijevich. Is Mr. Matijevich in the chamber? Do you wish to call your Bill? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 682, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Pension Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendments 1 and 2 were adopted previously. Amendment 3 was withdrawn, and there are no further Amendments." 10  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day April 21, 1983

"Are there any Motions relative to Amendments #1 and 2?"

"No Motions filed."

"Third Reading. House Bill 684, Mr. Stuffle. Is Mr. Stuffle in the chamber? The Gentleman indicates he does not wish to call his Bill. House Bill 710, Mr. Bullock. Is Mr. Bullock in the chamber? Mr. Bullock. House Bill 742. Mr. Kulas, do you wish to call your Bill? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 742, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Pension Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Are there any Motions?"

"No Motions filed."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 744, Mr. Van Duyne. Mr. Van Duyne, House Bill 744. Do you wish to call the Bill? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 744, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Natural Areas Preservation Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Are there any Motions?"

"No Motions filed."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 747. The Clerk informs the Chair that the fiscal note has not yet been filed; therefore, the Bill shall remain on the Order of Second Reading. House Bill 767. Mr. Matijevich, do you wish to call the Bill? The Gentleman indicates he does not wish to call the Bill. House Bill 799, Mr. Matijevich. 11  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day April 21, 1983 The Gentleman indicates he does not wish to call the Bill. House Bill 815. Mr. Hoffman, do you wish to call your Bill? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 815, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"None."

"Third Reading. House Bill 826. Mr. Wolf, do you wish to call your Bill? Mr. Sam Wolf, do you wish to call your Bill, House Bill 826? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 826, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the State Salary and Annuity Withholding Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Are there any Motions?"

"No Motions filed."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2,..."

"The Clerk is attempting to locate the Amendment to this Bill; therefore, the Bill shall be taken out of the record, and we shall return to the Bill at a later time. House Bill 835. Mr. Matijevich, do you wish to call the Bill? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 835, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of an Act in relation to state police. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"None."

"Third Reading. House Bill 836. Mr. Matijevich, do you wish to call your Bill? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 836, a Bill for an Act to amend 12  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day April 21, 1983 Second Sections of an Act in relation to state police. Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"Amendment #1, Matijevich, amends House Bill 836 on page two by deleting line 17 and so forth."

"Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, Amendment #1 to House Bill 836 is at the direction of the Committee. It changes from mandatory language to permissive language that the Police Merit Board may instruct that an officer receive compensation for a period wherein he was found not guilty of a charge. I move the adoption of Amendment #1."

"The Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment #1. Is there any discussion? There being no discussion, the question is, "Shall the Amendment be adopted?. All those in favor signify by saying 'aye, all those opposed by saying 'no". The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Are there any further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 869. The Sponsor indicates he does not wish to call the Bill. House Bill 873. Mr. Bowman, do you wish to call the Bill? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 873, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"None."

"Third Reading. House Bill 945. Mr. Matijevich, do you wish to call the Bill? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 945, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections in an Act relating to State Police. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in 13  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day Committee."

"Are there any Motions?"

"No Motions filed."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments." April 21, 1983

"Third Reading. House Bill 946. Mr. Klemm, do you wish to call the Bill? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 946, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #1, Klemm."

"Mr. Klemm. Mr. Klemm."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I believe Floor Amendment #1 has not been distributed yet."

"Mr. Clerk, has Amendment #1 been distributed? Okay, since the Amendment has not yet been distributed, the Bill shall be taken out of the record, and we will return to the Bill at a later time. House Bill 974. Mr. Pierce, do you wish to call your Bill? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 974, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #1, Pierce, amends House Bill 974..."

"Mr. Pierce."

"Mr. Speaker, I move to withdraw Amendment #... Floor Amendment #1."

"The Gentleman requests leave to withdraw Amendment #1. Is there leave? Leave is granted. The Amendment is withdrawn. Are there further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2, Pierce, amends..." 14  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 21, 1983 34th Legislative Day

"Mr. Pierce."

"Yes, Amendment #2 I will offer for adoption. It was suggested to me by the State Office of Education, who needs 30 more days to prepare the vouchers called for in this Bill. And therefore, I move the adoption of Amendment #2 to House Bill 974."

"The Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment #2. Is there any discussion? There being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall the Amendment be adopted?'. All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', those opposed by saying 'no'. The 'ayes have it. The Amendment is adopted. Are there further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 1061. Mr. Giglio, do you wish to call your Bill? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 1061, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Township Law. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"None."

"Third Reading. We shall return to House Bill 826. Mr. Clerk, what is our posture relative to that Bill?"

"House Bill 826 has been read a second time previously, and Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Are there any Motions?"

"No Motions filed."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2, Mays, amends House Bill 826 as amended by..."

"Mr. Mays. Mr. Mays."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Amendment #2 is my attempt to...provide for an 15  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day April 21, 1983 audit of those fees collected under the provisions of this Act. Yes, this is House Bill 826., We've got 828 up on the board. When I brought this idea before the Committee as the Bill was being presented, the proponent witness representing the group that is putting forth this idea said he would have not objections to such an idea put into the Bill, so here's my Amendment to do so."

"The Gentleman, Mr. Mays, moves for the adoption of Amendment #2. On that question, the Chair recognizes Mr. Wolf."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Since my hyphenated Cosponsor, Representative Stuffle, presented this Bill in Committee, I would defer to him at this time."

"Mr. Stuffle."

"Yes, Br. Speaker and Members, Representative Mays is accurate in suggesting that he raised this point with the person representing the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees, and he did respond affirmatively that he would be...that he would consider that. As I recall, he did not make the commitment to take the Amendment. Representative Mays is also indicating he might be willing to support this with the Amendment. Let me tell you on this floor as Sponsors of this particular Bill, Representative Wolf and I are opposed to this particular Amendment. What this does is impose the State Auditing Act on private labor organization as to the use of their dues under an agency shop provision. I think that's a bad precedent, putting the state in the position of auditing a private entity in this particular case. If a labor organization acts illegally in the use of its dues or its money now, under any set of circumstances, they are already liable for court action. This particular Amendment, I think, is merely an effort to get at those 16  34th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 21, 1983 people, and an effort to water down the Bill and an effort, I think, to kill the Bill. I didn't agree to this particular Amendment. I knew that this effort would be made, however, and I want the Members of the House to know that that agreement was not directly made. Number one, it was discussed. The Gentleman did say he might not have a problem with that particular thing, but he was responding in the sense that if that would get a vote, he would do it. As Sponsor, I oppose the Amendment for the reasons I've cited here. I don't think it belongs on the Bill. I think it does harm to the Bill. I don't think it's necessary. I think it is a poor precedent, and it ought to be defeated."

"Mr. Mays to close."

"Well, to respond to the previous speaker here. First of all, let's look at what the Bill does itself, to pay that organization an appropriate unit of fair share fee, provided that that fee shall be the cost to labor organizations of pursuing matters affecting wages, hours and other conditions of employment. When I pose the question of what exactly those fees would...this is a broad definition in the first place. When I posed the question to the proponent witnesses and to the Sponsors, it was my intent to try to get them to clarify it further. Well, not having that available, we felt that we should push to get these fees audited SO that ve indeed know, and those employees who are paying fees as a condition of employment are having those fees used for the purposes intended by this Act. The precedent has already been set with the Auditor General already reviewing the accounts of the Illinois High School Association. This is not out of the domain. Now, it may be out of the domain of previous labor agreements and whatever you might want to give them, but I suggest to you that failure to ratify this Amendment and 17  34th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 21, 1983 put it on this Bill will mean that you're trying to hide something. And I don't think that's the kind of message you want to send out. I, therefore, move for the adoption of this Amendment in the strongest possible terms."

"The Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment #2. All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', all those opposed by voting 'no'. The question is Amendment #2 offered by Mr. Mays. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk shall take the record. On this question, there are 40 'ayes', 64 'nos'. Mr. Johnson wishes to be recorded as 'no', and the Amendment fails. Are there any further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. On the Order of House Bills...for what purpose does Mr. Daniels seek recognition?"

"Mr. Speaker, we have a very, very fine group seated in the gallery today representing the Lieutenant Governor's Senior Legislative Forum. These are members of various senior citizens' clubs from the southwest side of Chicago with Mary 'Voss' as the President, representing many of us throughout the State of Illinois. I'd like to ask the Lieutenant Governor's Senior Citizen Legislative Forum to stand up and be recognized over here."

"Let me add, Mr. Daniels, that many of the people whom you have just introduced probably reside in the districts represented by Representative Terzich and myself, Representative Madigan. Welcome to Springfield. And I'm happy to hear that they've associated with former Speaker Ryan. Mr. Daniels."

"Well, they also come from areas represented by John Hallock, Doris Karpiel, Denny Hastert, Jeff Mays, Sam Vinson, Lee Daniels, Gene Hoffman, and I can go on, and on, 18  34th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 0 April 21, 1983 and on and on. We're glad they're here as a part of the Lieutenant Governor Ryan's Senior Citizen Forum."

"On the Order of House Bills Third Reading Short Debate Calendar, there appears House Bill 54. Representative Oblinger, do you wish to call your Bill? Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 54, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Human Rights Act. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Oblinger, let me remind the Membership we are now on the Order of Third Reading, final passage. Representative Oblinger."

"Mr. Speaker and Members of the General Assembly, this is a senior citizen Bill, so I'm glad some of them are here. This Bill would remove the discriminatory age for employment. Originally, it was on the Consent Calendar. It passed out of Committee 13 to nothing, but was asked to be put on Short Debate. I am going to make five brief points, and I hope you will all listen carefully. It affects your vote, I'm sure. Number one, we are as different in our age group, one from another, as in any other age group; therefore, we should be judged as individuals and not as a group of senior citizens who cannot perform. A number of states have already recognized this. Nineteen states have removed any age limit for employment. Two other states are now in the process of doing it, Maine and New York. Representative Claude Pepper has introduced a similar Bill in the United States House of Representatives, and Senator John Heinz has introduced a similar Bill in the United States Senate. For your information, most of the appropriations at national level were reduced, but the amount of money for senior employment was one of the few increases. So the administration also 19  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day April 21, 1983 feels this way. Second point, I've been told by some people that businesses, commercial enterprises, are against this Bill. Surprisingly enough, the very day that we were hearing the Bill in Committee, there was an award ceremony in Chicago that represe...that Director Blaser attended, and she made the awards to those companies that are now participating, financially as well as with their support in employment, for this program of employing seniors. I will read a few of their names I don't think business is against it the Beatrice Foods Company, Borg Warner, Brunswick, Chicago Community Trust, Commonwealth Edison, Container Corporation of America, Harris Justin Savings Bank, Illinois Bell Telephone, Inland Steel, and I could read a whole bunch more. So when they say business is against it, that's not true. Third, some arguments have been presented which said, "Well, the young people would be put out of jobs'. This is also a myth. We are not competing for the same jobs the young people are. They want permanent, longtime employment. We're willing to take part-time, temporary employment. And we're a necessary component for that reason. Secondly, I've heard that there's the...that we shouldn't have age discrimination Bills or cases before a court with a jury, because a jury might be too sympathetic to us old people. That's not true either. Juries are made up of all kinds of age groups. But for a bench trial, a lot of our Judges are older. And the third reason given was that we would just willy-nilly be given compensation for discrimination. It has to be willful and knowing discrimination. And finally, just this week the rules and regulations came out from HBS, and they say, 'Any organization, any agency that has federal money is not to have age discrimination'. So we have the Federal Government as well as business, and labor has also 20  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEВАТЕ April 21, 1983 34th Legislative Day supported this Bill. And I would ask for your favorable Roll Call vote."

"Representative Preston."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. In most societies, there is discrimination in favor of the elderly, not against the elderly. American Society is one of the few that discriminates against the elderly and prevents them from equal opportunities in many facets of society, including equal opportunities for employment. It is long overdue that we raise our voices and put an end to just another form of discrimination in this state. This is a good Bill that is long overdue. There is absolutely no reason to discriminate based on age. As Representative Oblinger SO well stated, a person over 70 years of age is not a category of human being. That is just another way of describing human beings. One person who is of a given age is no more similar than other person of that age than is a blond person similar to a person with black hair, OF a person from Chicago similar to somebody from some other community. People are individuals. They should be judged as individuals. This is an outstanding Bill, and it is about time and long overdue that не pass it. I really encourage your 'aye vote."

"Representative Yourell in the Chair."

"Is there further discussion? Representative Oblinger to close."

"I would just like to make one more point for you who are all interested in financial state of the State of Illinois. This Bill does not cost any money. It's going to bring you in money. If you allow us to work, we'll be buying things and paying sales tax. We'll be paying our income tax, and we'll even be qualified to pay on half of our social security to rescue the Social Security 21  34th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 21, 1983 Commission at this time. So I think as a fiscal Bill, it's a good Bill, too, and I encourage your vote."

"The question is, 'Shall House Bill 54 pass?". All those in favor will signify by saying 'aye...or voting 'aye'. I'm sorry. Those opposed will signify by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? On this question, there are 103...104 "ayes", 2 voting 'no'. The Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Appearing on the Calendar on the Order of Third Reading is House Bill 84. The Chair recognizes Representative... Yes, Representative Vinson, for what purpose do you rise?"

"Mr. Speaker, I rise for purposes of an introduction. The Rotary Clubs of Polo and Milledgeville, Illinois sponsor a substantial youth exchange program, their leadership under Doctor Thomas 'Cline". They have brought some of their students down here from such areas as South America, Europe, Australia, Japan and India today. They are seated in...down the third base line, if you will, back here. They are represented by Representative Olson. They're from the 70th District, and I wish they would stand so they could be recognized by this Body."

"Welcome to Springfield. On the Order of Third Reading, there appears House Bill 84. The Chair recognizes Representative Braun."

"House Bill 84, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Revenue Act. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Braun."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 84 will end the pernicious situation pertaining to double taxation of homeowner properties, which is occurring in the state. Right now people who live in planned unit developments or in some of the 22  34th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 21, 1983 developments, particularly outside of... Cook County, are finding that they are  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day Constitutional...there are 110 voting 'no'. April 21, 1983 'aye", no voting This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On the Calendar on Third Reading Short Debate, there appears House Bill 127. Mr. Clerk, will you read the Bill?"

"House Bill 127, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Workers' Occupational Disease Act. Third Reading of the Bill."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Terzich."

"Mr. Speaker, again this is a Bill from the Law Revision Commission, and what it does is it sets up the...the appeals procedures in Workmen's Compensation Act with the Supreme Court. And I would appreciate your support."

"Does anybody stand in opposition? Hearing no opposition, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 127 pass?.. All those in favor vote 'aye, those opposed will vote 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? On this question, there are 112 voting 'aye, no voting 'no'. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Appearing on the Calendar on the Order of Third Reading Short Debate Calendar is House Bill 240. Mr. Clerk, reread the Bill."

"House Bill 240, a Bill for an Act in relation to firemen's pension fund benefits in municipalities of population of over 500...or with 500,000 and under. Third Reading of the Bill."

"The Chair recognizes Representative Rea."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. This Bill amends the Downstate Firemen's Pension Fund Article of the Pension Code. I know of no opposition to the Bill. It came out of Committee 11 to zero, and I would ask for a favorable Roll Call."

"Does anybody stand in opposition? Hearing no 24  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day April 21, 1983 opposition, al I those in favor will signify by voting 'aye', those opposed will vote 'no". Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? On this question, there are 107 'ayes', 5 'nays". This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Appearing on the Calendar on the Order of Third Reading Short Debate is House Bill 501. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 501, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois State Auditing Act. Third Reading of the Bill."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Keane. Out of the record. Appearing on the Calendar on the Order of Third Reading Short Debate is House Bill 522. Mr...506, I'm sorry. Out of the record. Appearing on the Calendar on Third Reading Short Debate appears House Bill 522. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 522, a Bill for an Act to amend...to convey certain real property in the City of Galesburg. Third Reading..."

"Take it out of the record. Appearing on the Calendar of Third Reading Short Debate appears House Bill 628. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 628, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the School Code and an Act relating to state finance. Third Reading of the Bill."

"The Chair recognizes Mr. Stuffle."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker and Members. House Bill 628 as amended in Committee provides for a specific distribution formula by which we distribute the monies to the retirement systems covered by the Bill. There has been some question about the legality of the manner in which money has been transferred to the various pension systems in the Bill, particularly the Teacher Retirement System, which this Bill 25  34th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 21, 1983 covers, Chicago and Downstate. We've operated under a number of different situations, different formulas and, in fact, at times apparently in violation of the law. This Bill spells out specifically that there shall be a distribution formula that is made once a month into these systems from appropriated monies, and I would ask for your 'aye' vote on the Bill."

"Does anybody stand in opposition? Hearing no opposition, all those in favor will signify by voting 'aye, those opposed will vote 'no". Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? On this question, there are 112 'ayes, no voting 'nay'. And the Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Appearing on the Calendar on the Order of Third Reading Short Debate is House Bill 667. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 667, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Drainage Code. Third Reading of the Bill."

"The Chair recognizes Representative Brummer."

"Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. This Bill would simply allow the drainage districts to sell bonds at a rate which is consistent to... with the authority that we have given other units of government. I don't have the Bill in front of me right now, but it was at six or seven percent. This would allow the bond rate to go up to nine percent or 125% of the rate of the most recent date shown on the 20 GO bond index the average municipal bond yields. The Bond Buyer published in New York, New York, that is an index that we use with regard to other units of local government. I think it is a relatively noncontroversial Bill, and I would ask for your favorable vote."

"Does anybody stand in opposition? Hearing no 26  34th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 21, 1983 opposition, the question is, 'Shall House Bill 66...667 pass?'. All those in favor will signify by voting 'aye", those opposed will voting 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? On this question, there are 112 'ayes, no voting 'no'. The Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On the Calendar on the Order of Third Reading Short Debate appears House Bill 669. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 669, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Third Reading of the Bill."

"The Chair recognizes Representative Stuffle. Take it out of the record. Appearing on the Calendar on the Order of Third Reading Short Debate appears House Bill 687. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 687, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the School Code. Third Reading of the Bill."

"The Chair recognizes Mr. Hannig."

"Yes, thank you, Mr. speaker and Members of the House. This Bill requires that a school board respond within 40 days instead of 60 days to a written correspondence from a resident in the school district. The Bill passed Committee 15 to nothing. I know of no opposition to the Bill, and I'd appreciate your favorable vote."

"Does anybody stand in opposition? The question is, Shall this Bill pass?'. All those in favor will vote 'aye, those opposed will vote 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 103 voting 'aye and 7 voting 'no'. The Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Appearing on the Calendar on the Order of Third Reading Short Debate appears House Bill 698. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 698, a Bill for an Act relating to the 27  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day April 21, 1983 preparation of financial statements by certain public officials. Third Reading of the Bill."

"The Chair recognizes Representative Wolf."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. House Bill 698 is a Bill that simply amends the Act relating to the preparation of financial statements and would extend the time required to file those statements fros a period of 30 days to 90 days. It is a Bill that is supported by all of the park districts, the fire protection districts and those agencies other than those excluded by the law. And I would request your favorable support."

"Anybody stand in opposition? Hearing no opposition, the question is, Shall this Bill pass?". All those in favor will signify by voting 'aye', those opposed will vote 'no". Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question, there are 113 'ayes', no voting 'nay'. The Bill, baving received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Appearing on the Calendar on the Order of Third Reading Short Debate is House Bill 711. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 711, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Vehicle Code. Third Reading of the Bill."

"The Chair recognizes Representative Ropp."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day April 21, 1983 license plate under their car seat as well as the title, so that it would always be with them. These antique autos are hobby...collector items. They are not used for doing business, and the only time they can actually get on the highway is when they go to and from an exhibition ΟΙ a show. I welcome your favorable support."

"Anybody stand in opposition? Hearing no opposition, the ques...yes. Representative Cullerton."

"Will the Sponsor yield?"

"The Gentleman indicates he will yield."

"Representative Ropp, I understand that you have a laudible goal here, but I think that your Bill presents some problems. Now as I understand it, the owners of...these cars will be driven on the public highway, could be driven on the public highway. Is that correct?"

"They may."

"And you're going to allow for the drivers, the owners of those cars, to make up their own license plate, make up their own. Isn't that correct?"

"No, no. If the license plate that they had in the year that they had that automobile or the year that the car actually came out."

"So in some cases, these license plates would be 40 years old."

"Yeah, they are the original license plate that they got when they first purchased the automobile."

"Okay, so the Secretary of State does...has absolutely no record of those license plates."

"Sure he does, because he would still have to buy the current antique license plate that he has. He just does not have to display it."

"Well, that wouldn't have the record of license plate that's visible on the car. Now the theory behind license 29  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day April 21, 1983 plates is for a number of reasons. If a...if there is an ident... you have to be able to identify the car. If there is a hit and run by one of these cars, there  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day passed. April 21, 1983 Appearing on the Calendar on the Order of Third Reading Short Debate is House Bill 716. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill. Representative Vinson, for what purpose do you rise?"

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise for purposes of an introduction. The fifth through eighth grade class, Zion Lutheran School in Mt. Pulaski, Illinois - you've heard of the 90th District represented by me - is in the rear gallery today, and I would like to introduce them. Have them stand so this Body can recognize them."

"Welcome to Springfield. Appearing on the Calendar on the Order of Third Reading Short Debate is House Bill 717. Mr. Clerk. 716. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 716, a Bill for an Act to prohibit the feeding of garbage to swine and other animal or poultry. Third Reading of the Bill."

"The Chair recognizes Representative Ropp."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. I hope this Bill doesn't take as long to get through this time as we did with the Amendment, in that this Bill actually expands the definition of garbage to include bodies or parts of bodies of animals, poultry or fish. Heretofore it said carcasses. And in dealing with this administratively and through some of the hearing processes, it was felt that this additional terminology would assist in any...in administering the garbage feeding law. We also amended it yesterday by placing the word 'knowingly' in the Bill, and I see that there should be no opposition to this at this time."

"Does anybody stand in opposition? Hearing no opposition, the question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?'. All those in...I'm sorry. Representative Van Duyne." 31  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day

April 24, 1983 "Well, I stand mildly in opposition to this Bill. As I said before, yesterday, a little humorously, I've raised pigs for many, many, many years. I don't do it now, but I did before I came down here. And ironically speaking that's why I said it's a little humorous when they say, 'you're not fit to eat with the pigs', why, that' just about what this Bill amounts to, because I know that there were some people in our district that used to have a regular route of restaurants that they used to pick up garbage from and take it back to their farm and feed it to their pigs. Seventy-five, or approximately that much, of the diet of those pigs was from restaurant scraps. This was taken from human consumption, right? Out of the restaurants of the stuff that the people didn't eat, take it out to the farm. It was cooked, noncooked. It was lettuce. It was bread. It was whatever came out of the restaurant. And truthfully, I think we're just going a little bit far afield. I intend to vote no on the Bill, because I don't really think it's...it's really necessary. Thank you."

"The question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?". All those in favor will signify by voting 'aye', those opposed will vote "no". Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. This Bill, having received 110 'ayes, 1 'no', receiving a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Appearing on the Calendar on the Order of Third Reading Short Debate appears House Bill 717. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 717, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act in relation to slaughtering and butchering of animals. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Once again, Mr. Bopp."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. House 32  34th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 21, 1983 Bill 717 provides that the animal carcass' name be changed from 'denatured' instead of 'decharacterized'. This is to comply with federal regulation and has been suggested by the Joint Committee on Administrative Rules. Just for your own information, de...denatured is where the meat is totally unrecognizable by charcoal or other items that they may add to it. You cannot recognize it as horse meat or...Whereas, decharacterization still would be recognizable as horse meat, because the color would be there, the texture. And so this is just a change in the terminology."

"Does anybody stand in opposition? The question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?'. All those in favor will signify by voting 'aye', those opposed will vote 'no'. Have all  34th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 21, 1983 to zero, and I solicit your affirmative vote."

"Does anybody stand in opposition? Hearing no opposition, the question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?". All those in favor will signify by voting 'aye', those opposed vote 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Bill, there are 112 voting 'aye', по voting 'no". The Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Appearing on the Order of Third Reading Short Debate is House Bill 740. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 740, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Savings and Loan Act. Third Reading of the Bill."

"The Chair recognizes Representative Flinn."

"Thank you, Иг. Speaker. Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, this Bill amends the Illinois Savings and Loan Act to the extent that it legalizes what's been going on insofar as the Banking Commissioner has been doing. He's been applying his rules and regulations to appraisers of property, and we find out the Joint Committee on Administrative Rules discovered that he does not have statutory authority, and all this does is put it in the statutes...something on the statute books. It's been a matter of practice for many years. I ask for the favorable vote for this Bill."

"Anybody stand in opposition? Hearing no opposition, the question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?". All those in favor signify by voting aye", those opposed vote "no". Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Bill, there are 113 voting 'aye', по voting 'no". The Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Appearing on the Calendar on the Order of Third Reading Short Debate is House Bill 745. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill." 34  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day

"House Bill 745, a Bill for an Act to amend the Lead Poisoning Prevention Act. Third Reading of the Bill."

"The Chair recognizes Representative Van Duyne."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This Bill just allows the Illinois Department of Public Health to grant extensions in cases having to do with lead poisoning. It came out of Human Resources 12 to nothing, and I would appreciate an 'aye' vote."

"Anybody stand in opposition? Hearing no opposition, the question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?'. All those in favor will signify by voting 'aye', those opposed will vote 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Bill, there are 105 'ayes', 7 'nos'. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Appearing on the Order of Third Reading Short Debate is House Bill 755. Mr. Clerk, read the record. Read the Bill."

"House Bill 755, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Pension Code. Third Reading of the Bill."

"The Chair recognizes Representative Krska."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 755 is a simple Bill. It will provide that the firemen may vote by mail at their pension trustees union. The Bill does not have a fiscal impact, and it is recommended by the union...the Firemen's Union for passage. I'd greatly appreciate an 'aye' vote."

"Does anybody stand in opposition? Hearing no opposition, the question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?'. All those in favor will signify by voting 'aye', those opposed will vote 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Bill, there are 111 'ayes', no voting 'nay'. The Bill, having received 35  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day April 21, 1983 the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Appearing on the Order of Third Reading Short Debate is House Bill 767...76. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 776, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Pension Code. Third Reading of the Bill."

"The Chair recognizes Representative Kulas."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 776 makes a number of changes, primarily of an administrative nature, to the Chicago Laborers' Pension Article. It provides that amounts contributed by the City on behalf of an employee while the employee is receiving duty disability benefits are not refundable upon withdrawl. It provides that a withdrawing employee or a widow entitled to an annuity of less than $200 a month may elect to receive a refund of contribution in lieu of the annuity. And it also authorizes the Board to lend securities owned by the fund to a borrower upon such terms and conditions as may be mutually agreed to in writing. The Bill has been approved by the Pension Laws Commission. And if it passed, it might even have a small cost saving to the fund, and I would ask for a favorable Roll Call."

"Does anybody stand in opposition? Hearing no opposition, the question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?'. All those in favor will signify by voting 'aye', those opposed will vote 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Bill, there are 111 'ayes', no voting 'nay'. The Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. The Chair recognizes Representative Laurino."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I'd like to take this opportunity to welcome a group of students from Haugan School in my district, and Senator Carroll's district and Representative Greiman's 36  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day April 21, 1983 district to Springfield. Hope they're having a good time. They're to the gallery to my left and right."

"Welcome to Springfield. Appearing on the Order of Third Reading Short Debate is House Bill 787. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 787, a Bill for an Act in relation to emergency medical treatment. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Braun in the chamber? Out of the record. Appearing on the Calendar on the Order of Third Reading Short Debate is House Bill 831. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 831, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act to revise the law in relation to recorders. Third Reading of the Bill."

"The Chair recognizes Representative Wait."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 831 would permit local county clerks to determine how many copies of subdivision plats and maps needed to be filed. Presently there are six copies that are required to be filed; however, it seems like a lot of the county clerks either are not enforcing the law, or they are simply throwing the additional copies away. I'd be happy to answer any questions."

"Does anybody stand in opposition? Hearing no opposition, the question is, Shall this Bill pass?". All those in favor will signify by voting "aye, those opposed will vote 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Bill, there are 111 'ayes, no voting 'nay'. The Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Appearing on the Calendar on the Order of Third Reading Short Debate is House Bill 834. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 834, a Bill for an Act to amend the 37  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day School Code. April 21, 1983 Third Reading of the Bill."

"The Chair recognizes Representative Kirkland."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. House Bill 834 is... first of all, I'd like to ask leave to go back to Second Reading for a technical Amendment."

"The Gentleman asks leave to return the Bill to Third Reading for an Amendment. Leave is granted. Proceed, Sir."

"Okay. This involves an Amendment to add a duty to the school board..."

"Just a minute. For wha reason does Representative Cullerton rise?"

"To ask the Clerk if the Amendment's been printed and distributed."

"Mr. Clerk, has the Amendment been printed and distributed?"

"Yes."

"Amendment #1, Kirkland, amends House Bill 834 on line 22 and so forth."

"The Bill is now on Second Reading. Proceed, Sir."

"This is a Bill that adds to the duties of regional superintendents the following: to maintain and make available to the public during regular business hours, a list of unfilled teaching positions within the region. It then adds to the duties of the school board ta file with the regional superintendent a list of all unfilled teaching positions in the district by August 1 of each year and to report to the regional superintendent all teaching positions which, subsequent to that August 1 filing, become vacant or filled. The Amendment simply adds to the reports other than on August 1 sets a period of no less frequently than by the first day of every month other than that 38  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 21, 1983 34th Legislative Day

Speaker August."

"Is there any discussion? All those in favor will signify... of adoption of Amendment #1 to House Bill 834 will signify by saying 'aye, opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment's adopted. Mr. Kirkland. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading."

"Leave to return to Third Reading please."

"It's on Third Reading now."

"I explained the Bill, and in explaining the Amend..."

"Hold it. Wait a minute. For what reason do you rise, Mr. Bowman?"

"To help the Gentleman out. I think what he meant to say was leave for Short Debate."

"Leave for Short Debate. Yes, proceed, Sir."

"Okay, Short Debate Third...Third..."

"Just a moment. For what reason do you rise, Representative Cullerton?"

"Mr. Speaker, as I understand it, the Bill will not be called now to be passed. Is that what..."

"He's asking for leave to have the Bill heard on Third Reading..."

"And voted on right now?"

"...Short Debate. Yes."

"Well, I'm going to object then."

"Objections have been heard. The Bill will be on Third Reading. Appearing on the Calendar on the Order of Third Reading Short Debate is House Bill 859. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 859, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Township Law. Third Reading of the Bill."

"The Chair recognizes Representative McMaster." 39  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSENBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day April 21, 1983

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. And might I say, I think you're doing an excellent job in the Chair and as good as you used to do running Counties and Townships, Mr. Speaker."

"Thank you."

"House Bill 859 would permit the electors, at an annual town meeting, to approve the purchase of township buildings, community buildings and town halls. This is a right that they had in town meetings prior to the new Elections Code being passed, and they have had this opportunity before. It does not prevent them from having a referendum to purchase township buildings or community halls or things such as that. It merely adds the option to do it at a town meeting if it is really a minor purchase."

"Does anybody stand in opposition? Representative Friedrich, Dwight Friedrich."

"Mr. Speaker, would the Sponsor yield?"

"The Gentleman indicates he'll yield."

"Is there any provision in the law, Representative McMaster, for a notice that this type of business is to be conducted other than the regular order of business?"

"I think that it's required, Dwight, that anything like this to be brought up at a township meeting must be notified. The people must be...must have a 10 day notice in the newspaper or, I believe, by posting."

"Well, specifically, does the Bill provide for that, Tom?"

"It's...yes, it does."

"Okay, thank you."

"The question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?'. All those in favor will signify by voting 'aye', those opposed will vote 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the 40  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day April 21, 1983 record. On this Bill, there are 105 'ayes", no voting 'nay'. The Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On the Calendar on the Order of Third Reading Short Debate appears House Bill 866. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 866, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of an Act relating to township purchasing. Third Reading of the Bill."

"The Chair recognizes Representative Flinn."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. And, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, this Bill increases the present maximum in the statute from 2,500 to 5,000 for expenditures in township without accepting bids. This brings the Township Government back up to even with other units of local government, and it deals primarily with emergency purchases. I would ask for a favorable Roll Call."

"Does anybody stand in opposition? Hearing no opposition, the question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?'. All those in favor will vote 'aye', those opposed will vote 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Bill, there are 109 voting 'aye', 1 voting 'no'. The Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Appearing on the Order of Third Reading Short Debate appears House Bill 867. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 867, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Metro-East Sanitary District Act. Third Reading of the Bill."

"The Chair recognizes Representative Flinn."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, this Bill does the same thing as the last Bill did, only it's for the Metro-East Sanitary 41  34th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 21, 1983 District. And the difference is, at present, maximum is 4,000. It's raising it only 1,000 to 5,000. I would ask for a favorable vote."

"Anybody stand in opposition? Hearing no opposition, the question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?". All those in favor will signify by voting 'aye', those opposed will vote 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Bill, there are 110 voting 'aye', 2 voting 'no'. The Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Appearing on the Order of Third Reading Short Debate is House Bill 868. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 868, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of an Act in relation to public water districts. Third Reading of the Bill."

"The Chair recognizes Representative Flinn."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, this Bill does the same thing the last two Bills did. The only thing, it applies to public water districts, and the limit is moved from 2,500 to 5,000. I ask for a favorable vote."

"Anyone stand in opposition? Hearing no opposition, the question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?". All those in favor will signify by voting 'aye', those opposed will vote 'no'. The vote is...the voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Bill, there are 105 'ayes', 4 voting 'no'. The Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Appearing on the Order of Third Reading Short Debate is House Bill 880. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 880, a Bill for an Act to amend 42  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day April 21, 1983 Sections of the Illinois Wage Payment and Collection Act. Third Reading of the Bill."

"The Chair recognizes Representative Ronan."

"Thank you, Ar. Speaker, Members of the House. House Bill 880 amends the Wage Payment and Collection Act. It defines employer and employee and clarifies the provisions of the Wage Payment and Collection Act, apply to verbal agreements to pay wages as well as written employment contracts. This Bill is recommended by the Department of Labor, their wage payment section, and it just clarifies some definitions in the existing law."

"Does anybody stand in opposition? Hearing no opposition, the question is, Shall this Bill pass?". All those in favor will signify by voting 'aye", those opposed will vote 'no". The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Bill, there are 109 voting 'aye", 2 voting 'no'. The Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Appearing on the Order of Third Reading Short Debate is House Bill 966. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 966, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Wage Payment and Collection Act. Third Reading of the Bill."

"The Chair recognizes Representative Homer."

"This Bill is also one like Representative Ronan's that was recommended by the Department of Labor, and it simply is a clarification Bill. It clarifies, simplifies language that's found in the Section dealing with terminal vacation pay. And unless there's any question, I would urge the Members to support this Bill. I know of no opposition."

"Does anybody stand in opposition? Yes, Representative Greiman." 43  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day

"I just had a question or two. Is that a situation where, in a employment, there would be a custom and usage to grant a...excuse me, to grant an employee a vacation where he has no written contract, but it's the custom usage that employees do get vacations. Is that how you...that's where the Bill would be applicable?"

"That's...that's correct. Where there is an employment policy that provides for vacation...terminal vacation pay, that must be paid to the employee upon termination and cannot be suspended from him by law. But this Bill goes a step further and says that that's true unless there's a collective bargaining agreement that provides to the contrary. Then this shall be the law."

"It sounds like a wonderful Bill."

"Well, thank you."

"The question is, Shall this Bill pass?". All those in favor will signify by voting 'aye', those opposed voting 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? On this Bill, there are 80...91 voting 'aye', 16 voting 'no'. The Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. On the Calendar on the Order of Third Reading Short Debate, appears House Bill 967. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 967, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Wage Payment and Collection Act. Third Reading of the Bill."

"The Chair recognizes Representative Homer."

"Yes, again, this is the ... this is the third in the trilogy of Bills that were recommended in this capacity by the Department of Labor Wage Claim Division, and this Bill simply empowers the local state's attorneys to enforce the provisions of the Act. Under current law, the Department of Labor is... is legislatively empowered to enforce the 44  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day April 21, 1983 Act; but, by law, their attorney is the Attorney General. And because of understaffing problems, they are required to work through the local state's attorneys in each of the counties. The problem with existing law is state's attorneys are not specifically legislatively empowered to enforce the provisions. This Bill would, in fact, empower state's attorneys to represent the Department of Labor in these cases where an employer has left the area without paying his employee, and I would urge the passage of this Bill."

"Does anybody stand in opposition? Representative Friedrich."

"Mr. Speaker, would the Sponsor yield?"

"The Gentleman indicates he'll yield."

"Isn't the matter of payment of wages between an employer and employee a civil matter? Why would the state's attorney be involved?"

"Well, under current law, the individual employee has every right to pursue the action against the employer; but, in addition to that, we empower, through this Act as it presently stands without this Bill, the Department of Labor to enforce the Act on behalf of employees who are unable to afford the services of counsel. This Bill would allow the state's attorney then to... to represent those same individuals who cannot afford to hire an attorney to go out and file a civil action against that employer."

"Thank you. On the Bill, I would just say that the state's attorneys in my area is so busy they wouldn't take a case like this anyway, and the guy would be left without anybody to represent him."

"The question... The question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?'. All those in favor will signify by voting 'aye', those opposed will vote 'no'. The voting is open. 45  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day April 21, 1983 Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Bill there are 80 voting 'aye', 28 voting 'no'. The Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. We're going now back to ... on the same Order of Business to pick up House Bill 501. The Gentleman had asked to have it taken out of the record temporarily. House Bill 501. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 501, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois State Auditing Act. Third Reading of the Bill."

"The Chair recognizes Representative Keane."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. House Bill 501 is part of the Audit Commission's legislative package, and what it does is it changes the present salary range for the Deputy Auditor General from 28,000 to 42,500 to 28,000 to 46,000 dollars per year. I'd ask for a favorable Roll Call."

"Does anybody stand in opposition? Hearing no opposition, the question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?'. All those in favor will signify by voting 'aye', those opposed will vote 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this Bill there are 90 voting 'aye', 16 voting 'no'. The Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. We're going now to page 14, Consent Calendar Second Reading - Second Day. Mr. Clerk, will you read the Bills?"

"Consent Calendar Second Reading - Second Day. House Bill 115, a Bill for an Act in relation to revising obsolete statutory references. Second Reading of the Bill. House Bill 116, Terzich, a Bill for an Act to amend various Acts to revise terminology. Second Reading of the Bill. House Bill 123, a Bill for an Act to revise the law in 46  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day April 21, 1983 relation to attorneys and counselors. Second Reading of the Bill. House Bill 127, a Bill for an Act to amend various Acts to coordinate terminolgy. Second Reading of the Bill. That was 128. House Bill 129, a Bill for an Act to amend various Acts to coordinate the Illinois Supreme Court Rule 272. Second Reading of the Bill. House Bill 130, a Bill for an Act to repeal Sections of the Unified Code of Corrections. Second Reading of the Bill. House Bill 132, a Bill for an Act to re... amend various Acts to replace obsolete terminology. Second Reading of the Bill. House Bill 440, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act relating to Animal Control, together with Committee Amendment #1. Second Reading of the Bill. House Bill 714, a Bill for an Act to amend the Public Community College Act, together with Committee Amendment #1. Second Reading of the Bill. House Bill 750, a Bill for an Act to amend the Minimum Wage Law, together with Committee Amendment #1. Second Reading of the Bill. House Bill 772, a Bill for an Act to amend the Wildlife Code. Second Reading of the Bill. House Bill 803, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act in relation to oil, gas, coal and other surface and underground resources. Second Reading of the Bill. House Bill 810, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. House Bill 818, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. House Bill 870, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Pension Code. Second Reading of the Bill. House Bill 935, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Pension Code. Second Reading of the Bill. House Bill 988, a Bill for an Act in relation to governmental officials. Second Reading of the Bill. House Bill 997, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code, together with Committee Amendments #1 and 2. Second Reading of the Bill. House Bill 999, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. 47  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day April 21, 1983 Second Reading of the Bill. And, House Bill 1038, a Bill for an Act to amend the Revenue Act. Second Reading of the Bill."

"Third Reading. On the bottom of page 15 appears the Order of Consent Calendar Third Reading - Second Day. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill." The Bills."

"House Bill 6, a Bill for an Act concerning public utilities. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 11, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 117, a Bill for an Act to repeal Sections of an Act relating to length of terms and rights to seek retention of certain Judges. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 118, a Bill for an Act to amend the Code of Criminal Procedure. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 121, a Bill for an Act to repeal an Act defining relations between banks and their depositors. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 131, a Bill for an Act to repeal Sections of the Revenue Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 138, a Bill for an Act to repeal Sections of the Revenue Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 143, a Bill for an Act to amend the Revenue Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 152, a Bill for an Act to amend the Code of Criminal Procedure. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 162, a Bill for an Act to amend various Acts in order to coordinate terminology with the Code of Civil Procedure. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 163, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act to regulate service by publications in court. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 164, a Bill for an Act to repeal Sections of an Act concerning conveyances. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 167, a Bill for an Act to amend the State Fair Board. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 168, a Bill for an Act to repeal Sections of the Illinois Business 48  34th Legislative Day Takeover Act. STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 21, 1983 Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 196, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act in relation to uncollected claims and accounts receivable in state agencies. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 236, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 344, a Bill for an Act to amend the Code of Civil Procedure. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 438, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Vehicle Code. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 470, a Bill for an Act to amend the River Conveyance District Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 498, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois State Auditing Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 505, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act to create sanitary districts and remove obstructions in the Des Plaines and Illinois Rivers. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 546, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Police Training Act. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 603, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Highway Code. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 629, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 639, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Pension Code. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 728, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act to provide for licensing and regulation of salvage warehouses. Third Reading of the Bill. House Bill 729, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act to regulate the sale of paints, oils and other articles and compounds used in the connection therewith. Third Reading of the Bill."

"These Bills, having received the Constitutional Majority, are ... What? Oh, I'm sorry. The question is, 'Shall these Bills pass?'. All those in favor will signify by saying 'aye'... voting 'aye', those opposed will signify by voting 'no'. Mr. Clerk, take the record. Have all 49  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day voted who wish? April 21, 1983 Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. These Bills, having received 100 'ayes' and no voting 'no', are hereby... and receiving the Constitutional Majority, are hereby declared passed. Third Reading. Page nine... On page nine, appearing on the Order of Third Reading, is House Bill 22. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 22, a Bill for an Act relating to victims of violent crime. Third Reading of the Bill."

"The Chair recognizes Representative Jaffe."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House..."

"For what reason do you rise, Mr. Vinson?"

"Mr. Speaker, I would just like to make the observation that yesterday, when you went to House Bills Third Reading, you went to the top of the list, the first Bill to be called. The first Bill at the top of the list yesterday was 17. You dealt with 17 and 18, and those were the only two Bills you dealt with. Now you're going to 22. What you did, by not going to the next Bill to be called yesterday on Third Reading, was to avoid going to House Bill 584, a Bill sponsored by a Republican Sponsor. By doing that today, you have achieved the result that the next Bill to be called is House Bill 22, a Bill to be called by a Democrat Sponsor, and I'd just like to show how you're using the Calendar."

"Thank you, Mr. Vinson. For what reason does the Gentlemen, Mr. Friedrich, rise?"

"Mr. Speaker, the Gentleman on my right from Hardin will only admit he has a birthday every other year. This is the year and this is the day. We are indeed fortunate that Senator Geo-Karis is no longer here to sing 'Happy Birthday', but let's all wish him happy birthday anyway."

"Happy birthday, Representative. The Chair recognizes Representative Jaffe." 50  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 21, 1983 34th Legislative Day

"Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, I'd just like to point out to Representative Vinson that this Bill also has two Republican principal Cosponsors, Representative Barnes and Representative Friedrich. This is Crime Victims' Week, and crime victims have been sadly overlooked by our society; however, with this particular Bill we are finally going to be able to do something for crime victims. As we all know, programs for crime victims have been diminished because of loss of private funds and because of loss of public funds. House Bill 22 provides a mechanism for funding programs for victims of crime and creates Victims Assistance Center, and the beauty part about House Bill 22 is that it does all these things without having any further tax money or any money coming from the taxpayer to provide for these programs. This program is not funded by tax funds. It's not funded by General Revenue funds. It is funded by levying additional fines on convicted law breakers. For instance, there would be a 25 dollar fine for a crime of violence, 20 dollars for a conviction of felony, 10 dollars for D.W.I. I would tell you, by that type of funding, we would be able to raise somewhere in an area of about four million dollars and fund very many of these victim assistance programs. This program, with the Amendment, does not create a Commission as the... as the synopsis would say, but rather it's to be administered by the Attorney General with an Advisory Commission made up of ten members, four legislative Members and four public members, including people from police chief, state's attorneys and people from the public in general. I would tell you that this is a good Bill. It's a Bill that we've worked at hard and long and had bipartisan support, and I would urge an 'aye' vote on it. I would be happy to answer any questions." 51  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day

"Is there discussion? Chair recognizes Representative Deuchler."

"Will the Gentleman yield for a question, please?"

"Gentleman indicates he'll yield."

"Representative, could you tell us what the mechanism is for collecting these mandatory additional fines? I'm assuming this is through the counties, but I'd like to know specifically."

"It would be... It would be collected by the counties at the time that they collected the fines that were levied against these law breakers and then would be turned over to a fund created in the Attorney General's Office, by which this would be administered."

"Do the counties have an official position on this Bill?"

"I have no... I know of no county that opposes it, and none of the counties have said anything to me about it."

"Thank you."

"Any further discussion? The question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?'. All those in fav... Do you want to close, Mr. Jaffe? Mr. Jaffe."

"Mr. Speaker, I think everybody understands the Bill, and I would just urge an 'aye' vote."

"The question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?'. All those in favor will signify by voting 'aye', those opposed will vote 'no'. Mr. Clerk, take the record. I mean, voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? On this question there are 101 'ayes', 112... 102 'ayes', 9 'nays'. The Bill, having pass... received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Appearing on the Calendar on the Order of Third Reading is House Bill 24. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill." 52  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day April 21, 1983

"House Bill 24, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Revenue Act. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Terzich."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, House Bill 24 is another important Bill, especially for the senior citizens throughout the State of Illinois. This amends the Revenue Act in that it increases the amount of the senior citizens' homestead exemption from 1500 dollars to 2000 dollars. I amended the Bill to make this effective with the 1984 year assessment. The senior citizens' homestead exemption was enacted in 1969 and has been unchanged from that time. The program is a recurring annual reductions in equalized assessed valuation, which this Bill will provide a 2000 dollar homestead property of taxpayers who are 65 years of age or older. In this case, the homestead means any owner occupied residence for which the senior citizen is responsible for paying property taxes, and this would also cover single-family residents or cooperative apartments where the resident is responsible for the property tax. There are approximately 470,000 exemptions now granted statewide. There are approximately 300,000 granted downstate, and 170,000 in Cook County. I'm sure we are all aware that the cost of levying and everything has gone up quite substantially and particularly for the senior citizens who are on a fixed budget. This has not been changed in 13 years. This will make it approximately 15 years before any adjustment. The annual cost on this is approximately 5.4 million dollars; and, with the ever increasing cost of energy, I know many municipalities have gotten substantial increases in revenue simply through the energy tax or utility tax. And this is just a small... It amounts to 35 dollars for a tax break for the senior citizens of the State of Illinois, and I 53  34th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 21, 1983 would appreciate your support."

"Is there discussion? The Chair recognizes Representative Topinka."

"Mr. Chairman, I have a question for the Sponsor. Would he yield?"

"The Gentleman indicates he'll yield."

"Yeah, Representative Terzich, according to the Republican analysis, it would state here that existing law already allows persons 65 years of age or older to claim not only the senior citizen exemption of 1500 dollars, but also the general exemption of 3000 dollars, which would kind of indicate if this be true, that seniors are already doing pretty well on this front, and maybe there would be no need for this. Could you possible explain if I'm confused?"

"Well, I don't think you're necessarily confused, Representative Topinka, but the... the previous homestead exemption was a maximum tax exemption which they could not get any more - some of them may not even get. That amounted to, I think, about 30 or some dollars, which they may not get depending upon their increase in their assessed valuation. What this Bill will be is an annual homestead exemption of 2000 dollars. It amounts to 35 dollars for the senior citizen. I'm sure, if you'll look at their utility bills, it's gone over tenfold just on providing heat and electricity, which I'm sure many of the local units of government have reaped substantial rewards on this type of a tax."

"Is there further discussion? Representative Hastert."

"Would the Sponsor yield?"

"Indicates he'll yield."

"What... How does this affect the equalized assess 54  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day valuation across the state? Do you have any idea, Sir?"

"The... It amount... Like I say, this is for the 1984, which I did amend it, and it's 500 ... 500 dollars."

"Equalized assess valuation - how does it impact the equalized assess valuation?"

"The cost estimates to local unit of government depend on such variables as the ability to tax to increase their tax rate to compensate for exempted equalized assess value."

"Yeah, but what... what's the dollar affect that it costs local government? Do you have any idea at all?"

"I... As I mentioned that the tax saving would be approximately 35 dollars per household."

"Well, I think, according to our analysis, it costs across the state about 30 million dollars in assessed valuation - 30 million dollars, and I do have another question that, yesterday, you passed out of this House a Bill that raised the homestead exemption up to 4500 dollars. Is that correct?"

"That... Yes, but that was a different type of an exemption..."

"But also then..."

"It was a well-deserved exemption for the homeowners and taxpayers of the State of Illinois."

"But a senior citizen then, if he got this 1500 dollar increase, could go and put that increase on top of a 4500 dollar increase and, in fact, have a 6000 dollar tax break. Is that correct?"

"As I mentioned before, Representative Hastert, the one that was passed yesterday was a total increase, if their assessed valuation increased up to 4500 dollar, which may not necessarily be. This could be for three, or four, or five years. This Bill will provide a 500 dollar additional 55  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day April 21, 1983 tax reduction on their assessed valuation. The other one may not."

"Right. But when you do put it on, it ends up the 4500, and you can add the 1500 to it. Is that correct?"

"No, I wouldn't say that, because the other one doesn't necessarily apply unless their assessed valuation was increased. This one is a direct reduction in their assessed valuation and; therefore, they would immediately get this type of a reduction of 35 dollars."

"I see. Thank you for you enlightment."

"Gentleman from Henderson, Mr. Neff. Proceed, Sir. Wait a minute. Do you want to try a different mic, Representative? It's dead over there, too. Try another one, Sir. Try Jack Dav... It's going. Okay."

"Thank you. Will the Sponsor yield to a ..."

"Gentleman indicates he'll yield."

"To a senior citizen, yes, Representative."

"Thank you. If I understand the Bill right, this comes off of the income of the local counties. It doesn't come out of the state fund."

"That's correct."

"Well, I think that's one of the problems we have here with this legislation. Most of my local governments are having a real problem of getting along right now, and this takes quite a bit more money away from them and; therefore, I personally think we should oppose it."

"Anything further? Representative Matijevich."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, on election day in my hometown they had a school referendum. My school in my hometown desperately needs funds because of what the Federal Government has done in losing federal impact aid. However, a good part of my town there are many senior citizens who live on fixed income. In that portion 56  34th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 21, 1983 of my hometown, the referendum was defeated by a very, very large majority. The true fact is that those seniors are responsible, and they would like to help in any way that they can, but they... they are at the end of their rope. They just can't afford it. So, what Representative Terzich is doing here, and I realize that many will say we're not being responsible. Here's another area we're taking away  34th Legislative Day STATE OP ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 21, 1983 because I don't think it's fair to the... either to the units of local government or to these young people who are really striving to get along and even own a home."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Piel."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Gentleman yield for a question, please."

"Gentleman indicates he will yield."

"Representative Terzich, could you tell me what this would cost the state with the Bill, if enacted and signed by the Governor, what it would cost the state?"

"Yes, I mentioned 5. million dollars, as required under this Bill. That's quesstimated 5.4 million dollars."

"So, 5.4 million dollars is what, under the State Mandates Act, it would cost the state."

"No, the State Mandate Act - there's an Amendment on excluding the State Handate from this Bill."

"I'm sorry. I completely missed what you said there."

"I said, the State Mandate Act has been amended. So, it will not fall under the State Mandate Act. This is all on local units of government."

"Okay. So, it would cost the local units of government 5.4 million dollars. Wouldn't you say that, eventually, down the road that these local units of government, to recoup their loss, are going to have to turn around and try and raise taxes in some other form?"

"That's correct, if they have a need for it, but they also have their increase in their valuations. They have their utility taxes and many other areas that they get revenue as well."

"Well, utility taxes... If we're increasing utility taxes, I think this is coming right back to the senior citizens, and I think what we're doing in this type of a Bill is cutting off our nose to spite our face. We're sitting here 58  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day April 21, 1983 costing units of local government 5.4 million dollars, and then you're sitting here saying, 'Yes, if they need the money, they're going to have to raise taxes'. And I would ask everybody in the House to take a very close look at this; because, at a time when we're sitting here in a fiscal crisis as far as not just the state, but as far as local governments, I think costing the local governments 5.4 million dollars is just something that's going to really cause more of a hardship on them. Thank you."

"The Gentleman from DeKalb, Representative Ebbesen."

"Mr. Speaker, I move the previous question."

"The previous question has been moved. All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The previous question is moved. The Chair recognizes Representative Terzich to close."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I think that the Bill addresses a very, very important item, the senior citizens, and their plight and their pain of real estate taxes of supporting government throughout the State of Illinois. I did amend the Bill to make it effective 1984. I'm sure that with President Reagan's stating about our economic recovery, it's deferred one year. The Governor's proposing a 60% increase in the state income tax, which is another burden on all of the people of the State of Illinois. This is a needed benefit for people who have contributed to our country and to our own municipalities. Their taxes have gone up substantially throughout the state, and this benefit has not been changed since 1969. And I'm sure that every one of them throughout the State of Illinois would appreciate your support."

"Question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?'. All those in favor will signify by voting 'aye', those opposed 59  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day April 21, 1983 will vote 'no'. Voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question there are 65 'ayes', 44 'nos', and the Chair recognizes Representative Vinson. For what purpose do you arise, Sir?"

"I'd like to request a verification."

"A verification has been requested. The Gentleman from Cook requests a Poll of the Absentees. Representative Terzich."

"A Poll of the Absentees. Henry. Hicks. Hutchins. Mautino. McAuliffe and Vitek."

"Represenative Mautino votes 'aye'. Mr. Clerk, verify the affirmative."

"Alexander. Barnes. Berrios. Bowman. Braun. Breslin. Brookins. Brummer."

"Excuse me, Mr. Clerk. For what purpose does Mr. Dunn rise?"

"I request leave to be verified."

"Leave to be verified, Mr. Vinson, for Repesentative Dunn? Leave granted. Proceed, Mr. Clerk."

"Brunsvold. Bullock."

"Excuse me, Mr. Clerk. For what reason does Representative Barne arise... Barnes arise? Representative Barnes. How is Representative Barnes recorded, Mr. Clerk?"

"The Lady is recorded as voting 'aye'."

"Please change my 'aye' to 'no'."

"From 'aye' to 'no', Representative Barnes. Representative... For what reason does Representative Braun rise?"

"Leave to be verified, Mr. Speaker."

"Leave to be verified, Mr. Vinson? Leave is granted. Proceed, Mr. Clerk."

"Continuing with the affirmative. Capparelli. 60  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day April 21, 1983 Christensen. Cullerton. Curran. Currie. DeJaegher. DiPrima. Domico. John Dunn. Farley. Flinn. Giglio. Giorgi. Greiman. Hannig. Homer. Huff."

"Excuse me, Mr... Oh, go ahead."

"Jaffe. Keane. Krska. Kulas. Laurino. LeFlore. Leverenz. Levin. Marzuki. Matijevich. Mautino. McGann. McPike. Mulcahey. Nash. O'Connell. Panayotovich. Pangle. Pierce. Preston. Rea. Rhem. Rice. Richmond. Ronan. Saltsman. Shaw. Slape. Steczo. Stuffle. Taylor. Terzich. Tuerk. Van Duyne. White. Wolf. Younge. Yourell and Mr. Speaker."

"Are there any questions of the affirmative, Mr. Vinson?"

"What's the count, Mr. Speaker?"

"Mr. Clerk, what's the count? 65 'ayes', 45 'nos', Mr. Vinson. 65 'ayes'."

"I thought Representative Barnes changed..."

"Representative Mautino got on."

"Okay. Representative Berrios."

"Representative Berrios. Is the Gentleman in the chamber? Representative Berrios. Remove him, Mr. Clerk. Proceed."

"Representative Breslin."

"Representative Breslin is in her chair."

"Representative Bullock. Brother Bullock."

"Representative Bullock. Is the Gentleman in the chamber? Representative Bullock. Remove him from the Roll Call."

"Representative Currie."

"Representative Currie. Is the Lady in the chamber? Representative Currie. Remove her from the Roll Call. Proceed, Sir."

"Representative DiPrima." 61  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day

"Representative DiPrima. DiPrima. April 21, 1983 Representative Representative Kulas. Does the Gentleman have leave to be verified? Leave granted. Remove Representative DiPrima. Proceed, Sir."

"Representative Farley."

"Representative Farley is in his seat."

"Representative Giglio."

"Representative Giglio is in his seat. Return Representative Currie to the Roll Call. Proceed, Sir."

"Representative Laurino."

"Reprsentative Laurino. Representative Laurino is in his chair. Proceed, Sir."

"Representative LeFlore."

"Representative LeFlore is in his chair."

"Mr. Leverenz."

"Representative Leverenz. Representative Leverenz. Is the Gentleman in the chamber. Remove him. Proceed, Sir."

"The other Sam."

"Repr... Return Representative DiPrima to the Roll Call. What was your next question, Sir? Representative who?"

"Panayotovich."

"Panayotovich. Representative Panayotovich. For Ronan: what purpose does Representative Ronan rise?" "Want leave to be verified."

"Representative Ronan requests leave to be verified. Leave is granted. Representative Panayotovich. Is the Gentleman in the chamber? Remove him from the Roll Call. Proceed, Sir."

"Mr. Rhem."

"Representative Rhem is in his seat."

"Mr. Richmond." 62  34th Legislative Day

STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 21, 1983 "Representative Richmond is in his seat."

"Mr. Shaw."

"Representative Shaw is in his seat."

"Representative Taylor."

"Representative Taylor. Representative Taylor. Is the Gentleman in the chamber? Remove him from the Roll Call. Proceed, Sir."

"Mr. White."

"Representative White. Representative White. Is the Gentleman in the chamber? Remove him from the Roll Call. Proceed, Sir."

"Mr. Nash."

"Representative Nash. Representative Nash. Is the Gentleman in the chamber? Remove him from the Roll Call. Proceed."

"Mr. Domico."

"Representative Domico. Representative Domico. Is the Gentleman in the chamber? Remove him from the Roll Call."

"No further questions."

"Representative Leverenz, for what reason do you arise, Sir?"

"How am I recorded?"

"How is the Gentleman recorded?"

"The Gentleman has been removed from the Roll Call."

"Return me 'aye'."

"Return Representative Leverenz to the Roll Call. For what purpose does Representative Doyle arise?"

"From 'present' to 'yes'."

"Please record the Gentleman from 'present' to 'yes'. Representative Tuerk, for what reason do you arise?" 63  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF BEPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day

"Please vote me no."

"How is the Gentleman recorded?" April 21, 1983

"The Gentleman is recorded as voting 'aye'."

"Record the Gentleman as voting "no". Pardon me? What's the count, Mr. Clerk? For what reason does Representative Terzich rise? Representative Matijevich, for what reason do you rise?"

"Am I on?"

"Yes."

"How am I recorded Mr. Speaker?"

"How is the Gentleman recorded?"

"The Gentleman is recorded as voting "aye".

"Alright. That's the way I want to be."

"Mr. Clerk, what's the record? On this Bill there are 58 voting 'aye" and 46 voting "no". The Bill, having failed to receive the Constitutional Majority... The Chair recognizes Representative Terzich."

"Mr. Speaker, I... For some reason or another, I don't... My count is 59. I would appreciate it if you would... Well, my count is 59, and I would appreciate ..."

"Mr. Clerk, would you check your record?"

"To err is human. I mean, we can see that the Republicans are against the senior citizens, but we don't have to make it evident to the people of the State of Illinois."

"Mr. Clerk, what's the total? On this Bill there are 58 'ayes', 46 'nos'. The Chair recognizes Representative Terzich."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, reluctantly, reluctantly, I would like to put this... unless there are a couple of good Republicans who would like to vote... change their vote, I'll put this on Postponed Consideration."

"The Bill is on Postponed Consideration." 64  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day April 21, 1983 Appearing on the Calendar on the Order of Third Reading, is House Bill... Yes, Representative Daniels, for what purpose do you rise?"

"Well, Mr. Speaker, I would hope that the real Speaker, wherever he may be if he could surfact himself from back in the office while ve vote on important legislation that concerns the people of Illinois. Maybe you could find the real Speaker, because I would like to address him for a second on a question of fairness, a question that involves all the Members of this House, and one that we would like to make sure is corrected."

"We'll give you that opportunity, Sir."

"So, I..."

"On the Order of Third Reading, appears House Bill 56. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 56, a Bill for an Act in relation to the assistance for temporary emergency housing. Third Reading of the Bill."

"The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Bowman. Out of the record. On the Order of Third Reading, appears House Bill 74. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 74, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Code of Civil Procedure. Third Reading of the Bill."

"The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Preston."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 74 is a Bill designed to protect police officers from harrassment by vindictive plaintiffs who sue police officers in civil court, generally under 1983 actions in the Federal Courts, and obtain a judgement against the police officer. The City of Chicago ran into this and the City of Chicago Corporation Counsel's Office 65  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day April 21, 1983 requested this Bill. What this Bill does... The best way to explain it is by giving an hypothetical situation that actually happens. A police officer is sued under a denial of civil rights action, a civil action, in the Federal Courts, and a judgement is obtained against the police office. The municipality, whether it be Chicago or some other municipality, undertakes to indemnify that police officer if the municipality chooses to do so. Nonetheless, during the delay between entry ... entrance of the judgement and payment of the judgement, some plaintiffs seek to have the judgement placed as a lien against the homes of the police officer or garnish the wages, because there's a delay anywhere from 30 days up to, now under Court order, no more than one year for the municipality to pay the judgement. What House Bill 74 does is it says when and if a municipality decides to indemnify a police officer, the plaintiff in that case who obtained the judgement cannot go and levy against the police officer's property until the municipality has had the opportunity to pay the judgement. It is a Bill that's been supported by all the police organizations. I know of absolutely no opposition to the Bill, and I would ask for your 'aye' vote."

"Is there discussion? Hearing no discussion, the question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?". All those in favor will signify by voting 'aye', those opposed will vote 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question there are 106 'ayes', no voting 'no'. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Appearing on the Order of Third Reading is House Bill 82. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 82, a Bill for an Act making an 66  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day April 21, 1983 appropriation to the Department of Agriculture. Third Reading of the Bill."

"The Chair recognizes Representative Mulcahey."

". Speaker, take this out of the record, if you would, please."

"Out of the record. Appearing on the Order of Third Reading is House Bill 85. Mr. Clerk, read the record... read the Bill."

"House Bill 85..."

"Out of the record. Appearing on the Order of Third Reading is House Bill 87. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Fill 87..."

"Br. Terzich, for what reason do you rise?"

"I've been abused enough, Mr. Speaker."

"Out of the record. Appearing on the Calendar on the Order of Third Reading is House Bill 166. How about that, Bob? Okay. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 166, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of an Act to revise the law in relation to construction of the statutes. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Terzich."

"Yes, I didn't put the State Mandate Act exclusion on this Bill. So, we can all rest at ease. House Bill 166 is a Bill that came out of the Law Revision Commission; and, after reviewing all of the statute... This Act amends an Act on construction of statutes that provides that cross-references in one Act to another shall automatically include all Amendments to the Cross-Reference Act. I'm sure that when you review all of the statutes you'll see, 'as amended', 'as amended, as amended'. This Bill will simply exclude all of those provisions, and it would be statutorily correct by just saying, 'the Bill as amended, and should reduce the statutes quite substantially. And I 67  34th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE would appreciate your support."

"Is there Cullerton." discussion? April 21, 1983

Representative Cullerton: "Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I'll just point out that the Legislative Reference Bureau, Mr. Johnson... Johnston, when reviewing this Bill, indicated that he is very much opposed to the Bill. He feels that it would be a bad law. I know it was the Law Revision Advisory Commission that proposed it, and they generally only propose Bills that are not substantive in nature. But, this would indeed be substantive, and I would ask for opposition to the Bill based on those comments that I just made."

"Further discussion? Gentleman from Cook, Representative Terzich, to close."

"Mr. Speaker, as... I'm contrary to the previous speaker. What the Bill does is it simply elim... excludes a lot of cross-references which would automatically be included to interpret both the original Act and any other later Amendment through that Act. It may be better for, maybe, some cross-references, but it certainly is not necessary in the statutes. And the Bill came out of Committee 16 to nothing, and I think it's a good Bill and would appreciate your support."

"The question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?'. All those in favor will signify by voting 'aye', those opposed will vote 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record. For what reason do you arise, Mr. Terzich?"

"Well, I forgot to mention that this Bill also includes the legislative pay raise. So, if someone wants to change their vote..." 68  34th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 21, 1983

"On this Bill there are 32 'ayes', 54 voting 'no'. Representative Terzich."

"Amen."

"Having failed to meet the Constitutional requirements, this Bill is declared lost. Appearing on the Order of Third Reading is House Bill 187. Yes, for what purpose do you rise, Mr. Daniels?"

"Well, perhaps, Mr. Speaker, the best way to address the real Speaker of this House, during the time that we're in floor Session on Third Reading, is to try to talk over his speakers that are in his office so maybe he can hear me while he's sitting in his office while the rest of us are on the floor here working. I think that there's a matter that we have to deal with right now and a matter of grave interest to every Republican and every Democrat on this floor and every member of the public as a whole. Yesterday, much to my dismay and much to the dismay, of many Members of this House on both the Republican and Democrat side, an announcement was made that all appropriation Bills would be held hostage - held hostage until a certain person received information that he would like to receive regarding appropriations and budgets. I'd like to talk, for a second, to the stand-in Speaker about the right of each and every Member of this House, the question of our constitutional rights and privileges due to the elected position that we serve in the General Assembly to have our Bills heard, to have them voted upon when duly called in a legislative Session. Today it happened to a Democrat on the other side of the aisle when a Motion was made to adopt a Democrat Bill, and the Democrat-controlled Committee and the Chairman of that Committee said, 'We cannot take any votes or Roll Calls on an up an down matter on an appropriation Bill'. We have before us, now, much 69  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day April 21, 1983 work. We have before us many challenges at this time that all of us on this floor are extremely concerned with, matters that involve appropriations and matters that involve regular and substantive legislation. But if we are going to continue on the matter of holding Bills hostage, and we are not going to treat them responsibly by having them heard in Committee and voted on up and down on their merits, instead of held hostage by one person due to his actions, then this process will come to a halt. Then we will come to that logjam that we have been so familiar with dealing with on June 30th where all Bills are held to the end, and it's at that time that the deals will be cut in the back room. And the matters will be stuffed down our throat as to whether or not there will be a tax increase in this state or there will be increased revenues in this state. Mr. stand-in Speaker, I would like to appeal to you, Sir, since I can't address the real Speaker to take over, at this time, and to free the appropriation process, to ask the real Speaker to instruct his Chairmen, his Chairmen, Mr. Leverenz and Mr. Bowman, to allow these Bills to be voted up or down so that the people of Illinois can deal with a budget that has, in fact, been introduced, so that each Member, whether it be a Republican on this side of the aisle or a Democrat on the other side of the aisle, can hear his or her legislation in an orderly manner. Now, we've got a lot of problems that we're facing right now and some of them that we've been dealing with in unemployment insurance, in the areas of Citizens' Utility Board and in the areas of other legislation require bipartisan action. And, Mr. Speaker, we also are capable of holding up this process. We also, through irresponsible action it may be at times, can demand verification on each and every Roll Call, can demand that we find from the Speaker what his 70  34th Legislative Day STATE OP ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 21, 1983 leadership may be, in the terms of hearing legislative matters. But at this time, we want to continue on with the orderly process of the House and not serve as obstructionists in most difficult times. It is the General Assembly's responsibility to act on appropriation matters and to act on the question of a budget. The Governor has filed his budget and those Bills are before us right now and going through the hearing stage. Presently, we sit on 1700 Bill in this House that have yet to be heard. That means if each and every Bill is given a fair hearing in Committee, we've got 3.8 minutes to hear each and every Bill, unless we extend the deadlines that you, Mr. Speaker, adopted. In Judiciary Committee we've got 1.8 minutes to hear each and every Bill of the close to 300 to 400 Bills filed, making it an almost impossible task to properly listen to legislation presented to us. Mr. Speaker, I don't stand before you right now trying to take partisan advantage of an issue. I stand before you appealing to you for each and every Member of this House, for new freshman Democrats that don't understand the process and don't understand unless ve continue on right now to hear this legislation. Come June 30th, they're going to have things stuffed down their throat, which they don't know what they say. And with 1700 Bills facing US, more Bills, Mr. Speaker, than we had two years ago, it must be dealt with orderly and efficiently. Mr. Speaker, I appeal to you, as the person in the Chair, to take responsible action, to ask your real Speaker, the Gentleman in his office that may be hearing these words over his... his speaker system, to change his course of action, to show the leadership that the Members of this House expected him to show when ve elected him Speaker and to take things in his hands to construct a budget that the people of Illinois can live 71  34th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 21, 1983 with. It's at that time that we can deal with those issues on this floor. And if you don't like the budget that he submits or the Governor submits, then amend it and put those Amendments on it. But give us the opportunity to act as responsible Legislators and bring those issues before us right now. And it's only through that action, Mr. Speaker, can we get through difficult times and a difficult Session. I appeal to you, Sir, I beg with you to give the people of Illinois an opportunity to address legislation in a responsible, efficient, economical and proper manner and not to hold these matters hostage to try to force out of any individual, Republican or Democrat, a tax increase. And I would appreciate your immediate action on that, Sir. Thank you."

"Thank you, Mr. Minority Leader. I certainly listened to your remarks, and I will convey your message to Mr. Madigan, who is the real Speaker of this House, just as soon as I have that opportunity. At the moment, I am busy doing something else up here, but I will direct your remarks to his attention. I'm certainly certain that he will take cognizant of those remarks. The Chair recognizes... For what reason do you rise, Mr. Matijevich?"

"Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, first of all, I don't think Speaker Madigan needs anybody to defend him, but I am surprised that the Minority Leader has attacked Mike Madigan for not working. Yesterday I was in my office at 6:30 a.m. At... Shortly after 7:00, I went down to Speaker Madigan's Office, and he vas already at work. Last night at 11:00p.m., in fact a little past 11:00 р.m., I was at a meeting regarding legislative matters, and he was still working. And for you, Mr. Minority Leader, to attack Nike Madigan, who is virtually in this chamber all of the time, I think, has no base to it 72  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day April 21, 1983 at all. We, who are here in the General Assembly in the House, know that Mike Madigan is the hardest working person here. I don't know where you were last week, but I'll tell you, I was here working. For anybody to attack somebody for not working, they better had look inward first before they make an attack, because I ... I want to commend Mike for all of the work he does. He not only was here at... shortly... in fact, he must have been there before 7:00. I wanted him to meet with some of my constituents for just a few minutes. He showed me his schedule of yesterday, and believe me, it was full from morning to evening - totally full - with legislative business. So, on that issue, I think if anybody ought to apologize, although I don't really believe in apologies, but I believe that the truth always stands out. And everybody knows that Mike is a worker. Now, on the other matter, I think, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, that all of us know that these are not ordinary times. What the Majority Party is doing at the present time probably, in ordinary times, would not be responsible, but I thought I heard our Governor say right before us that he is presenting us with a budget that, in effect, is not responsible, that, in effect, is irresponsible, that does not meet the needs of all of the people of the State of Illinois. He said that in very strong terms. And legislation, really when we're coming to spending and expending the taxpayers' money, doesn't belong to an individual Legislator. It belongs to all of us. So, for us to really move out appropriation Bills at the level that the Governor presented in his budget book, would be toally irresponsible. What would be more responsible would be for us to wait, to find out. In fact, we have that constitutional responsibility to find out what the revenues are going to be. Now, I think what Mike Madigan is doing, 73  STATE OP ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day April 21, 1983 what the Appropriations Chairmen are doing, is the responsible thing. I, like all of you, have received many leg... many letters from so many who are concerned at the budget levels. They don't want us to pass out appropriation Bills at the present level. Everybody, everybody has been saying, "We need additional revenues'. And are they forthcoming? We yet don't know. So, for us to act prematurely, would be irresponsible. So, what the Committee has done, what Mike Madigan has done has been responsible. And let me tell you, in doing that in his strategy, he was here working. He wasn't anywhere else but in Springfield every day working on it. And when we pass the budget, he will be here, and he will be one of the principle movers of it. You can believe that, Mr. Minority Leader."

"Br. Bowman, for what reason do you rise?"

"First, I do have an inquiry, and then I would like to make some comments. But I vas the Chairman that vas referred to who did not recognize a Motion, a do pass Motion and in ultimately culminating in the adjournment of the meeting. And I would like to say, for the record, that the... at the beginning of the meeting. I announced that I was not going to take any Roll Calls on Bills Of Amendments. There were no questions raised at that time. We then called the first Bill and beard testimony, had many questions of the witnesses. We had opponents present. We questioned them, and then a do pass" Notion was made. I indicated at that time I would not recognize it, and then that's when things fell apart. I would like to ask the Parliamentarian if he could advise us as to whether the Chair is under any obligation to recognize Notions, at least under the circumstances that I described."

"Yes, thank you, Mr. Bowman. We'll take that 74  34th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 21, 1983 under advisement."

"Well, Mr. Speaker, wait a minute."

"Yes."

"While you're... While he's considering that, I do have some remarks that I would like to make then."

"Continue. Be brief. We're losing a lot of time. We could be passing five or six Bills and reduce this workload."

"Well, I grant you that, Mr. Speaker, but these are not normal times. These are extremely perilous times; and, in normal time, ve would know what the bottom line for a budget is. There might be some disagreement within 100 million dollars or so, and that's a lot of money. But the disagreement right now is well over a billion dollars. Not only do we not know whether we'll get a tax increase, if we do get a tax increase, we don't know what form that is - whether it's one year, multi-year or what level. If we do not get a tax increase, we are expected to live with this budget book, this very same budget book that the Governor has said to us from that rostrum that was unacceptable to hìn. And the budget book is not only... is not in balance. He is proposing to do some very unreasonable things under the circumstances. He's proposing to eliminate three-quarters of a billion dollars in short-term borrowing in one year, in a year when we don't get a tax increase. He is proposing to build his cash balance by 40 billion dollars. He is proposing to... to cut spending, despite the fact that anticipated revenues are rising by over a hundred million dollars, and that's an underestimate... underestimate according to the Economic and Fiscal Commission. We do now know what the bottom line is supposed to be, and we cannot rationally and responsibly pass a budget if we do not know what the bottom line is. 75  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day April 21, 1983 Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, we are waiting to know what the real bottom line is, and we cannot proceed in an orderly fashion until we do. If we... If we decide to proceed and move forward without knowing what the bottom line is, we run the very great risk, in the absence of a tax increase, of giving him a budget that is far beyond the state's means. And if that happens, Ladies and Gentlemen, we are giving him a blob of clay which he will mold into his own image, thereby cutting the entire Legislature out of the process. We cannot afford to let that happen. We have to shape this. We will. We have Bills on Third Reading which can be used as vehicles should the need arise, and we will do it. We will pass a responsible budget. You will have an opportunity to vote on it. It will be thoroughly debated, and we've been around here long enough to see some pretty big Bills go down and we have to come back and do it again. We'll keep doing it again until we pass a budget; but, when we do, it will be a responsible budget I guarantee you that. I give you my word on that."

"Representative Vinson, did you have your light on? Did you want recognized, Representative Reilly?"

"Thank you..."

"For what reason do you rise, Sir?"

"On a point of personal privilege. I was the one who..."

"State your point."

"... made the Motion that Representative Bowman referred to. We, once again, get into a lot of sound and fury about issues that don't count. The issue that Representative Daniels raised and that I raise is not an issue of budget. It's not an issue of revenue. It's none of these things. He can differ on those. Those are matters of judgement. They're matters of politics. We can differ on those. It's 76  34th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 21, 1983 purely and simply a matter of a Member's right. If a Member thinks we ought to put off consideration of the budget, that's their right. If I want, as the Spokesman on that Committee or as any Member on that Committee, to make a Motion, that is my right. If the Majority Members of that Committee want to defeat that Motion, that is their right, but I have a right to make that Motion. And anyone who takes that right away from me is violating the very essence of what this House is about. And whether it is us now or you two years from now, doesn't change the fact that if I want to put a Motion or you want to put a Motion, the Chair puts the Motion and finds out what a majority of the Body wants to do. To add insult to injury, not only would the Chairman not put the Motion, but then, having said that on the advice of the Parliamentarian, he was not... he thought that he had no obligation to put it. I then made a Motion to overrule the Chair, which is always in order, clearly in order, always in order, and I was not allowed to put that Motion either. But instead, in panic, the Chairman went to a Motion to adjourn. Now again, the point is not... and I don't know what anybody is afraid of. Let us make the Motions. You've got the votes. If your judgement is that the Motion shouldn't pass, fine. That is your right, but it is our right now, always, every time. It is our right to put the Motion. It is your right to defeat it, if you've got the votes, but you shouldn't be afraid to put the Motion. You shouldn't abort the process by not letting us make the Motions we want to make. It's purely and simply a matter of the rights of Members, first, to put the Motion and, if for some reason the Chair doesn't think he ought to or has to put the Motion, then to move to overrule the Chair. If you take that away from us, you take everything away from us. That is wrong. That is the 77  34th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 21, 1983 only issue we're raising, and that is an issue that every Member in this chamber ought to take to heart and remember; because, if it happens to us now, it can happen to others at other times under other circumstances."

"Thank you, Mr. Reilly. We do have two other Members that want to be recognized. Now, one from each side, and I think we really ought to get on. I think everything that has to be said relative to this subject matter has been covered, but the Chair will now recognize Representative Leverenz, then Representative Davis. And then, let's get on with the business of the House and get some of these Bills off the Calendar. Representative Leverenz."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Gentlemen on the other side of the aisle, any one of them, especially the Leader, should probably be ashamed of himself. A couple of weeks ago we were looking for a Sponsor of a Bill we tried to call and move along. The Sponsor was not available. The Sponsor was clearly out of the country. I don't know what he was paying attention to. Last week the Vice Spokesman tried to have all his Members leave the floor in protest, because he got a bad vote. Maybe he should work the floor and get his votes before he calls a Bill. There was a Bill in there that was very important. We heard it on the subject matter. We wanted to move along in an orderly process. So, we amended the Bill, as an Amendment, into another Bill and moved it out. But we're tired of bailing out the other side. You wanted to override the Chair in Approp I. You lost. We want to hear the Bills. We guarantee you a fair hearing. The Senate runs it the same way. They hear everything and take everything at once. Last Session, go to the Rules Committee. They didn't give you a vote. They held everything and cut the deal in the 78  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day April 21, 1983 back room. I suggest that the Minority Leader on that side, the first thing that comes to his mind is how they ran it last Session. That is not the case with Appropriations I, and I'm sure, with Appropriations II, but you chew up a lot of time. And in Appropriations I we will prepare your speech, and you can simply call it off by the number. We're tired of bailing you out. The Governor gave us a budget that he clearly said was unacceptable. There's no sense in moving something that is unnacceptable. There is certainly a desire in Appropriations to give everyone the same courtesy and certainly the protection, the protection that Representative Winchester pointed out this morning, especially for the freshman. We want to see all of it. We want to see where you're going to spend it. Your cuts were all made in Appropriations II. If you persist the way you're going, we will cut all personal services out of Appropriations I, perhaps, and move it all over to ΙΙ. We've got some time. Come forward. The Governor clearly said, 'In three weeks, I'll come forward with how we will spend the money. The three weeks is up. It's been four weeks since that point. Put up. Let's go. No more speeches. Thank you."

"The Gentleman from Hill, Representative Davis, for what reason do you rise, Sir?"

"Well, Mr. Speaker, again, I was involved in that process this morning, but I'm not... I'm going to spare you a tirate at this point and yield to Representative Vinson on an alternative point that I think should be made, if that's the willingness of the Chair, Sir."

"Well, I did recognize Representative Vinson. He didn't want to speak. Do you want... now want to address the Chair? Proceed, Sir."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think the response of the 79  34th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 21, 1983 real Speaker has been made clear through his henchman on the floor on this matter. He doesn't care about the appropriations process or the Committee process. Now we're going to find out whether he cares about the rules of the House. I would call your attention, Mr. Speaker, to Rule 20 (i) in the rules you adopted. Rule 20(i) states that Bills have to be printed in order to be posted. Now, I would call your attention to the posting notices for Committees for next week. Transportation and Motor Vehicles. Every Bill from 1456 onward three columns of Bills posted for that Committee, are illegally posted. 1434 was the last Bill printed at the time...at the time of the posting of Transportation and Motor Vehicles. I would call your attention to Human Services. The same situation pertains - three rows of Bills illegally posted. I would call your attention to the Insurance Committee - a row and a half of Bills improperly posted for next week. Cities and Villages - three rows of Bills, again, illegally posted for next week. Just for your attention, for your concern, 1443, 1481, 1482, 1576, 1591, 1592, 1595. It goes on for three rows of Bills illegally posted by your Chairman on the Insurance Committee. Agriculture - two Bills illegally posted for next week. Today, when you post Personnel and Pensions, two rows of Bills illegally posted. Every Bill after 1509 is illegally posted. There's no printed Bill at the appropriate time in the Bill Room. Judiciary for next week - two Bills illegally posted. Mr. Speaker, I object to those posting notices. I believe that those posting notices are invalid, illegal and, for that matter, unconstitutional. And I would call on you to take those posting notices down, to cease with any effort to meet those... have those Committees meet. Those are illegally posted Bills. They violate the public's right to know. 80  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day April 21, 1983 They violate every Member's right to know, and you cannot proceed with those Committee meetings because they are illegally posted. And I would like you to rule on that matter at this time.

"I have been advised, Representative Vinson, that we will review the matter just as soon as this day's Session ends and advise you as to the action that will be taken by the Speaker."

"When will you advise us, Mr. Speaker?"

"Just as soon as we can. Immediately."

"You know, you put out memorandums on this..."

"Pardon me?"

"You put out memorandums from the Speaker's Office on this subject, and then you let your Committee... your Committee Chairman, your Committee Clerks make illegal postings on Committees."

"Well, you've already..."

"All of those postings are illegal. We've got the records right here."

"You've already indicated that; and, as I've indicated, the Chair will review the situation with the Speaker and certainly get back to you."

"We'd like to have a ruling on that by the end of the Session."

"Yes. The next Bill is House Bill 187. Mr. Clerk, will you please read the Bill?"

"House Bill 187, a Bill for an Act to provide for state grants to..."

"Just a moment, Mr. Clerk. For what purpose does the Lady from Champaign, Representative Satterthwaite, rise?"

"To speak to the issue that the previous speaker brought to our attention. As the Chairman of Higher 81  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day April 21, 1983 Education, yesterday I was told that the Republican Leadership had requested that all Republican Bills that had been assigned to our Committees were to be posted for next week's hearing. We are in the position, as Committee Chairmen, of being accused of violating the wishes of the Minority Party if we do not post those Bills. There's no way that you can do anything in this House and be right under the Minority Party's rules and regulations. They will, in fact, blame us whether we do what they want or whether we don't do what they want, and I suggest to you, Mr. Speaker and the previous speaker on the other side of the aisle, that you can't have it both ways. If you give us directions to post your Committee Members' Bills, do you want us to obey that request, or do you not want us to obey that request?"

"Thank you. The Chair recognize... For what reason do you arise, Mr. Dunn?"

"Well, Mr. Speaker, just so we don't delay too long here, I would just make a suggestion to the House that at whatever time it does become appropriate to seek suspension of the rules to suspend the posting rules to permit consideration of the Bills in Committee, that we just do that and then we hear the Bills for which we can get the votes to suspend the rules. And if some Members can't get enough votes to suspend the rules to have their Bills heard, it'll be just too bad. And I'll take my chances on this side of the aisle that my Bills will get heard and that the Democrat Bills get heard. So, I don't think you have anything to worry about."

"Thank you. The next Order of Business is House Bill 187. Mr. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 187, a Bill for an Act to provide for state grants to certain public radio... in the State of 82  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 21, 1983 34th Legislative Day Illinois."

"The Gentleman from Will, Mr. Davis, for what purpose do you rise?"

"Well, Mr. Speaker, I don't want to prolong it any more than unnecessary, but now you've got us confused over here. This is a point of order. The Lady from Champaign County suggests that we can't have it both ways. Nobody wants it both ways. We want the Chairmen of the Speaker's Committees to obey the letter of the rules adopted by you folks over objections made by our folks, in many cases. Just follow that. And if our Members call to have a Bill posted, that Chairman should say, 'I'm sorry. I can't do that. The Bill's not printed.' - instead of putting his name to the posting in violation of the rules. Now what is it you all want us to do? I mean, I'm confused, and I've been here eight years. Our freshman Members don't know what in the hell's going on and neither do yours. Now, either we post, we don't post. Maybe Representative Dunn had the right idea. Just suspend all the bloody rules and run it any way you want to. You've got the votes to do it, but tell us what it is that your Chairmen want us to do so we can tell our Members. Rights are being trampled and violated, and we knew it would come to this day, Mr. Speaker, and it's just beginning. This is the first in a long..."

"Mr. Davis, as I indicated to Mr. Vinson, the question that was raised will be reviewed, and a decision will be made and given to the Leadership on that side of the aisle in conjunction with the Leadership on the Democratic side of the aisle. Now, we really ought to get down with the business of the House. Representative Vinson, do you have more to add to what has already been said?" 83  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day

April 21, 1983 "Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I do have one thing to add and that is that, unless this issue is ruled upon quickly and expeditiously, we're going to be in the situation where people from all over this state are going to be traveling down here. They're not going to know what Bills are going to be called and what aren't going to be called next week. They've got the right to know that. The media has the right to know that. The public has the right to know it. It's your responsibility to the Membership of this Body and to the public at large to rule on that and to rule on it now."

"Do you want a ruling?"

"You've got a Parliamentarian..."

"Do you want a ruling, Sir?"

"Yes, Sir."

"Sit down, we'll give you the ruling."

"Well let's..."

"On behalf of the Speaker, we would rule that no Bill or Resolution may be posted for hearing in Committee until printed copies are available in the Bill Room. That was a directive that has been given to all Committee Chairmen in the past. No Bill should have been posted until that had been accomplished. No Bill would be in order for hearing in Committee unless that has been complied with."

"Representative Vinson." "Okay. Now would the Would the Chair please provide a listing of all the Bills that have been illegally posted so that everybody can know what all of those Bills are, SO that they're not trying to have their Bills heard in Committee next week, so that witnesses are not coming in from all over the state to hear those Bills?"

Speaker Yourell: "I thought you had a list there that you read 84  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 21, 1983 34th Legislative Day Vinson: off." "I've got a partial list here. I'd like to have list."

"Yes. We..." a full

"The Membership has the right to a full listing."

"We will provide you with a list. Yes, Sir."

"Thank you."

Speaker Vinson:

"The Clerk has advised me that as of this time and date, the Bills up to and including House Bill 1502 have been printed, are in the Bill Room, available to the Members and to the Committees. Anything after that are the Bills that you're referring to. "Also the problem with... with hearings on Bills that were posted... that were posted for yesterday. 1502 is the cut off for today. Yesterday, the cut off was 1434. That's why we need corrected posting notices posted publicly, a list for the Members, and that should be done today, not later, so that people don't know what's going on in this chamber."

"We will do that, Sir."

"Thank you."

"The next Order of Business is still Agreed Resolutions. Don't you have any Bills over there you want me to call? Agreed Resolutions. The Chair recognizes Representative Giorgi."

"House Resolutions. 183, Tuerk et al. 184, Homer. 185, Oblinger. 188, Yourell. 190, Madigan. 192, Woodyard. 193, DiPrima et al. 194, DiPrima et al. 196, Nash et al. 199, Panayotovich."

"The Gentlemen from Winnebago, Representative Giorgi."

"Mr. Speaker, 183, by Tuerk, congratulates the Lady Knights at Richwoods High School; 184, by Homer, logs the 85  34th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 21, 1983 Illinois State Teacher Day: 185, by Oblinger, honors the Donald M. Bertram: Yourell's, 188, notes a retirement; Yourell, 189, commence a linkage service; 190, by Madigan, recognizes 76,000 Members of the KCs, 192, by Woodyard, enjoys Sesquicentennial Celebration; DiPrima's; 193, Orates an Oratorical Contest of the American Legion. 194, by DiPrima, logs the Illinois Mother of the year: 196, by Nash, honors Greek III Committee; 199, by Panayotovich, a quarter century of service, and I move for the adoption of the Agreed Resolutions. I move for the adoption of the Agreed Resolutions."

"All those in favor will signify by saying 'aye', those opposed 'no'. The ayes have it, the Resolutions are adopted. Are there any other Resolutions? Br. Clerk. Hr. Clerk."

"Death Resolutions. House Resolution 198, Madigan et al, in respect to the memory of the Gertrude Shapiro. House Resolution 197, Nash et al, in respect to the memory of Victoria Casper. House Resolution 195, DiPrima, in respect to the memory of Seymour Wolfe, and House Resolution 191, Pangle, in respect to the memory of Gertrude Shapiro."

"Representative Giorgi moves for the adoption of the Death Resolutions. All those in favor will signify by saying 'aye, opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it, the Resolutions are adopted. Representative... General Resolutions."

"House Joint Resolution 33, Shaw. House Resolution 186, Virginia Frederick. House Resolution 187, Virginia Frederick."

"Committee on Assignments."

"Corrections. That's House Resolution 186, Dwight Friedrich, and House Resolution 187, Dwight Friedrich." 86  34th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 21, 1983

"The Chair recognizes the Gentlemen from Cook, Representative Greiman with the Adjournment Resolution."

"No."

"No?"

"No. No. Thank you, but somewhat are premature. I was just asked leave to waive the posting rules for you in the services for next April... April 26, on House Bill 536, apparently was a series that was not posted. I had checked with the Minority Spokesman and apparently it is alright. And I would ask leave to waive the posting rule for 538. The Bill has been printed."

"Is... is leave to use the Attendance Roll Call? Leave is granted. The Chair recognizes Representative Greiman. Adjournment Resolution. Mr. Clerk, read the Adjournment Resolution."

"House... Senate Joint Resolution 30, resolved by the Senate of the 83rd General Assembly of the State of Illinois, the House of Representative concurring herein, that when the Senate adjourns on Friday, April 22, 1983, they stand adjourned until Tuesday, April 26, 1983 at 12 o'clock noon. And when the House of Representative adjourns on Thursday, April 23, 1983, they stand adjourned until Tuesday, April 26, at 12 o'clock noon."

"The Gentlemen from Winnebago, Representative Mulcahey."

"Thank you... Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would ask leave of the House to waive the appropriate posting rules, so that House Bill 876, 877, 878, could be heard in Subcommittee next Tuesday evening."

"Leave to use the Attendance Roll Call? Hearing no objection, the Attendance Roll Call will be used. Now, Mr. Greiman?"

"I Move for the adoption of the Adjournment Resolution." 87  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day April 21, 1983

"For what reason do you arise, Representative Mautino?"

"For an announcement, Mr. Speaker."

"Proceed."

"I would like to announce that the Subcommittee on Small Business will not meet after Session today. We have agreed through the Minority Spokesman, and myself, and Members of the Committee, to change the date of the Committee to Tuesdays, which would be April 26, and also May 3, at 10:00 a.m. in that regard. I would like to, as well, waive the posting rules for the Subcommittee on Small Business which will be meeting at room 122B at 10:00 a. m. on the dates specified. For the Bills posted, plus these following Bills to be posted for the next two weeks. The Bills in Committee: 184, 238, 239, 1425, 1627, 1797, 1851, 2033, and 2098. Sponsors, Representative Pullen Boyle Braun Cowlishaw Younge, and Winchester."

"Is there objection? Leave to use the Attendance Roll Call? Leave is granted. For what reasons Gentlemen... Representative Stuffle rises?"

"Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. I have a Motion filed, similarly with regard to the Committee on Economic Recovery, that Motion's in writing at the Clerk's desk. And at this time I would move to suspend the appropriate House Rule in order that we can hear next Tuesday morning, April 26, at 10:00 a.m. in room D-1, all those Bills postponed from today in the Committee on Economic Recovery. And additionally, that Motion provides for suspension of the rule, so that we may also hear House Bill 969, by Representative Rhem, House Bill 1010, by Representative Younge, House Bill 1259 and 1260, by Chairman Mautino and myself, and House Bill 1272, by Representative Younge. And I would put that Motion at this time and ask leave of the 88  34th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE House to adopt that Motion, so that we can hear those Bills." April 21, 1983

"Is there objection? Hearing no objection, leave to use the Attendance Roll Call, Representative Stuffle?"

"Just to repeat. This meeting is in D-1. It is Tuesday, at 10:00 o'clock, before we go into regular Session that day. And I hope that all the Members can be there because I believe we have about 12 Bills that day."

"Is there objection? Leave to use the Attendance Roll Call for the posting of Bills? Leave is granted. Representative Currie"

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. I have an announcement for those of you who are interested in low level radio active waste. The National Conference of State Legislators and the Council of State Governments is sponsoring a seminar this coming Tuesday, the 26th of April, here in Springfield, to talk about the Midwest Compact in low level radio active waste. That will be at 8:30 in the morning, Tuesday, in the Capitol in room 114. Everybody is welcome."

"Thank you. For what reason does the Gentlemen from Cook, Representative Terzich arise?"

"Let's see we want a... the state mandate here. Mr. Speaker, I would like leave to suspend rule 20. I believe the Executive Committee has a few Bills on access of 50, and I would just like to suspend that rule for posting."

"Is there objection?"

"We'll never hear them all anyhow."

"Representative Vinson."

"I object."

"Objection has been heard."

"He doesn't have to be objectionable about this, Mr. 89  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE April 21, 1983 34th Legislative Day Speaker."

"Well."

"He considered the Motion..."

"Objections have been heard. Now, do you want to make a Motion, Mr. Terzich?"

"Well. I would like to have all to hear the Republican Bills, Mr. Speaker. Otherwise, I'd only have to hear Democratic Bills."

"Do you want to make Motion to leave, Mr. Terzich?"

"I would like to suspend that rule, Mr. Speaker."

"We'll get to you. Representative Vinson."

"Will draw your attention to rule 20 (k), which requires that the Motion be in writing and be carried on the Calendar for a day in advanced."

"Well then I withdraw my Motion."

"Motion withdrawn. Any further announcements? Representative Stuffle."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I don't know if I made clear, but I want to. The Committee on Economic Recovery's meeting today will be canceled. And the Motion that I made take precedence over that, so I want to make that clear to the Members. That was my error."

"Thank you, Mr. Stuffle. Is there any further? Announcements, discussions, whatever you want to do. The Chair recognizes the Gentlemen from Cook, Mr. Greiman with Adjournment Resolution."

"Thank you. I now move for the adjournment... adoption of the Adjournment Resolution."

"Mr. Clerk, you read the Adjournment Resolution?"

"Yes. The Adjournment Resolution has been read. We will return on April 26, at 12 o'clock noon." 90  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 34th Legislative Day April 21, 1983

"All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it, the House adjourn. Allow the Clerks 5 minutes perfunctory."

"Introduction and First Reading. House Bill 2286, Zwick - Didrickson, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Marriage and Dissolution of Marriage Act. First Reading of the Bill. Committee Reports. Representative Jaffe, Chairman from the Committee on Judiciary, to which the following Bills were referred, action taken April 21, 1983 and reported the same back with the following recommendations: 'Do pass' House Bill 986. 'do pass as amended' House Bills 713, 234, and 1082. 'do pass Short Debate Calendar' House Bills 635, 721, 958, and 433. 'do pass as amended Short Debate Calendar' House Bill 1192. 'Interim Study Calendar' House Bills 668, 288, 715, and 72. 'do pass Consent Calendar' House Bill 577. Being no further business, the House now stands adjourned until Tuesday, April 26, at 12 o'clock noon." 91  07/26/83 09:03 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES DAILY TRANSCRIPTION OF DEBATE INDEX APRIL 21, 1983 PAGE 1 HB-0006 THIRD READING PAGE 48 HB-0011 THIRD READING PAGE 48 HB-0022 THIRD READING PAGE 50 HB-0024 THIRD READING PAGE 53 HB-0054 THIRD READING PAGE 19 HB-0074 THIRD READING PAGE 65 HB-0078 SECOND READING PAGE 6 HB-0084 THIRD READING PAGE 22 HB-0115 SECOND READING PAGE 46 HB-0116 SECOND READING PAGE 46 HB-0117 THIRD READING PAGE 48 HB-0118 THIRD READING PAGE 48 HB-0121 THIRD READING PAGE 48 HB-0122 THIRD READING PAGE 23 HB-0123 SECOND READING PAGE 46 HB-0127 THIRD READING PAGE 24 HB-0128 SECOND READING PAGE 47 HB-0129 SECOND READING PAGE 47 HB-0130 SECOND READING PAGE 47 HB-0131 THIRD READING PAGE 48 HB-0132 SECOND READING PAGE 47 HB-0138 THIRD READING PAGE 48 HB-0143 THIRD READING PAGE 48 HB-0152 THIRD READING PAGE 48 HB-0162 THIRD READING PAGE 48 HB-0163 THIRD READING PAGE 48 HB-0164 THIRD READING PAGE 48 HB-0166 THIRD READING PAGE 67 HB-0167 THIRD READING PAGE 48 HB-0168 THIRD READING PAGE 48 HB-0196 THIRD READING PAGE 49 HB-0236 THIRD READING PAGE 49 HB-0240 THIRD READING PAGE 24 HB-0295 SECOND READING PAGE 7 HB-0344 THIRD READING PAGE 49 HB-0379 SECOND READING PAGE 7 HB-0409 SECOND READING PAGE 8 HB-0438 THIRD READING PAGE 49 HB-0439 SECOND READING PAGE 9 HB-0440 SECOND READING PAGE 47 HB-0461 SECOND READING PAGE 9 HB-0467 SECOND READING PAGE 9 HB-0470 THIRD READING PAGE 49 HB-0498 THIRD READING PAGE 49 HB-0501 THIRD READING PAGE 46 HB-0505 THIRD READING PAGE 49 HB-0546 THIRD READING PAGE 49 HB-0574 SECOND READING PAGE 10 HB-0603 THIRD READING PAGE 49 HB-0628 THIRD READING PAGE 25 HB-0629 THIRD READING PAGE 49 HB-0639 THIRD READING PAGE 49 HB-0667 THIRD READING PAGE 26 HB-0682 SECOND READING PAGE 10 HB-0687 THIRD READING PAGE 27 HB-0698 THIRD READING PAGE 27 HB-0711 THIRD READING PAGE 28 HB-0714 SECOND READING PAGE 47 HB-0716 THIRD READING PAGE 31 HB-0717 THIRD READING PAGE 32 HB-0728 THIRD READING PAGE 49 HB-0729 THIRD READING PAGE 49 HB-0736 THIRD READING PAGE 33 HB-0740 THIRD READING PAGE 34 HB-0742 SECOND READING PAGE 11  07/26/83 09:03 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES DAILY TRANSCRIPTION OF DEBATE INDEX APRIL 21, 1983 PAGE 2 HB-0744 SECOND READING PAGE 11 HB-0745 THIRD READING PAGE 35 HB-0750 SECOND READING PAGE 47 HB-0755 THIRD READING PAGE 35 HB-0772 SECOND READING PAGE 47 HB-0776 THIRD READING PAGE 36 HB-0803 SECOND READING PAGE 47 HB-0810 SECOND READING PAGE 47 HB-0815 SECOND READING PAGE 12 HB-0818 SECOND READING PAGE 47 HB-0826 SECOND READING PAGE 15 HB-0831 THIRD READING PAGE 37 HB-0834 RECALLED PAGE 37 HB-0835 SECOND READING PAGE 12 HB-0836 SECOND READING PAGE 12 HB-0859 THIRD READING PAGE 39 HB-0860 SECOND READING PAGE 6 HB-0866 THIRD READING PAGE 41 HB-0867 THIRD READING PAGE 41 HB-0868 THIRD READING PAGE 42 HB-0870 SECOND READING PAGE 47 HB-0873 SECOND READING PAGE 13 HB-0880 THIRD READING PAGE 43 HB-0935 SECOND READING PAGE 47 HB-0945 SECOND READING PAGE 13 HB-0966 THIRD READING PAGE 43 HB-0967 THIRD READING PAGE 44 HB-0974 SECOND READING PAGE 14 HB-0988 SECOND READING PAGE 47 HB-0997 SECOND READING PAGE 47 HB-0999 SECOND READING PAGE 47 HB-1038 SECOND READING PAGE 48 HB-1061 SECOND READING PAGE 15 HB-2282 FIRST READING PAGE 5 HB-2283 FIRST READING PAGE 5 HB-2284 FIRST READING PAGE 5 HB-2285 FIRST READING PAGE 5 HB-2286 FIRST READING PAGE 91 SJA-0030 ADOPTED PAGE 87 SUBJECT MATTER HOUSE TO ORDER - SPEAKER HADIGAN PAGE 1 PRAYER - REVEREND RICHARD CHRISMAN PAGE 1 PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE PAGE 1 ROLL CALL FOR ATTENDANCE PAGE 2 COMMITTEE REPORTS PAGE 2 REPRESENTATIVE YOURELL IN CHAIR PAGE 21 AGREED RESOLUTIONS PAGE 85 DEATH RESOLUTIONS PAGE 86 GENERAL RESOLUTIONS PAGE 86 ADJOURNMENT PAGE 91 PERFUNCTORY SESSION PAGE 91 COMMITTEE REPORT PAGE 91 PERFUNCTORY SESSION - ADJOURNMENT PAGE 91