Illinois House Floor Debate — May 4, 1983

"The house shall come to crder. The House shall come to crder. The Members shall be in their chairs. We shall be led in prayer today... we shall be led in prayer, today, by the Reverend R. Mark Biddle, Faster of the United Church of High Park in Chicago, Illincis. Revererd Biddle is a guest of Representative Carcl cseley Braun. Would the guests in the gallery please rise tc join US in the invocation?"

"Let us pray. C Lord God, You alone are worthy of our unquestioned praise and allegiance. At Your command all things came to be, the vast expanse cf interstellar space, galaxies, suns, the planets and their courses, and this fragile earth, our island home. From the primal elements, You brought forth the human race, and blessed us with memory, reason, and skill. Ycu made us the rulers of creation and saw that We should become stewards of the earth. But we have turned against Ycu and betrayed Your trust, and we have turned against one another. Again, and again, You have called us to return. Through prophets and sages, You revealed Your rightecus law. And in the fullness of time, Ycu sent Your Son, born of a woman, to fulfill Your law. Yet, we have continued to seek our ways and means, cur goals and our rule, continually turning our tacks on the vision of Your love, present in this world. Open out eyes to see Your hand at work in the world about US. Deliver us from the presumption of invoking Your Name for solace only and not for strength, for part in only and nct for renewal. Let Your grace pour down upon us, and let Your justice roll down like waters, so that cur vision of Your Kingace, and cur actions made up Your will, and our hopes vested in Your love. Accept these prayers and praise of God, through the inclusive love of 1  39th legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEEATE May 4, 1983 Jesus, the Christ, and the sustaning power of the Spirit. And led us to give honor, glory, worship, and service to You, our sovereign Lord from generaticE unto generation. Amen."

"We shall be led in the Fledge of Allegiance by Representative Ropp."

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, cne Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

"Roll Call for Attendance. Br. Matijevich, are there any excused absences?"

"Yes, Mr. Speaker. Would the record show that Representative Rea is excused tcõay, due to official business? Thank you."

"Let the record show that Representative Rea is excused. Mr. Vinson, are there any excused absences? Mr. Ewing."

"Yes. Would you let the record show Fepresentative McMaster's excused for illness?"

"Iet the reccrd show that Fepresentative McMaster is excused. Mr. Clerk, take the Attendance Roll Call. For what purpose does Representative Vitek seek recognition?"

"Mr. Speaker, my key is locked here, and I can't vate 'present', but I want the people tc know I'm here."

"Let the record show that Representative Vitek is present and should be included in the Attendance Roll Call. For what purpose does Mr. Yourell seek reccgnition?*

"иг. Speaker, as the principal Sponsor of House Bill 12..."

"Mr. Yourell, cculd we wait til WE take the Attendance Ecll Call? I'll come right back to you. ΜΕ. 2  STATE OF IIIINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEPATE 39th Legislative Day May 4, 1983 Clerk, take the Attendance Roll Call. On this question, there are 116 Members responding to the Attendance Foll Call. There is a gucrum present. The Chair recognizes Representative Neff, for the purpose of an announcement."

"Thank you, Br. Speaker. I'd like to take a few minutes of the time of the Bouse to introduce to you, Fauline Perkins, a teacher at Macomb High Schccl, with her class of Political Science Class from the Macomb High Schocl. And they're up here, in the corner here, and I'm going to ask them to stand. And let's give them a warm welcome."

"Mr. Ycurell."

"Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker. As the principal Sponsor of House Bill 1207, I would ask leave to place that cn Interim Study Calendar in the Elections Committee."

"Is there leave? Leave is granted to place that Bill on the Order of the Interim Study Calendar. The Chair recognizes Mr. Vitek."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Gentlemen, and first termers especially, pay attention. It shows you what you can do. You can move over to the Senate, if you're a good vcter. I want tc introduce CUI former seatrate here, Greg Zito. Senator Zito."

"Nr. Pirkinbine."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As principal Sponsor of House Bill 1671 and 1672, I would request that those Eills be placed in Interim Study."

"Mr. Firkinbine, to which Committee are they assigned?"

"labor and Commerce Committee."

"Is there leave? Leave is granted to place those Bills on the Order of the Interim Study Calendar."

"Thank you."

"Nr. Eawkinson. Er. Hawkinson." 3  STATE OF ILIINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF BEFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEFATE 39th legislative Day May 4, 1983

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As the principal Sponsor of House Eill 1975, assigned to the Executive Committee, I would ask leave to have that placed cn Interim Study.

"Is there leave? leave is granted to place that Bill on the Order of the Interim Study. Mr. Doyle."

"Mr. Speaker, I'd like to apologize tc Fepresentative Dickerson (sic Didrickson), I, inadvertently, put her Bill on Interim Study, and I apologize to her. The Fill that shculd have been put on is Fill 2151, so..."

"Mr. Icyle could you state your position?"

"I, inadvertently yesterday, gave the wrong number to the Bill. It was... it was Representative Dickerson's (sic Didrickson's) number. I apologize to her for doing that and ask that that Eill be placed back where it belongs."

"Mr. Icyle, what is the Bill number cf Representative Dickerson (sic Didrickson)?"

"2125."

"What is the..."

"That's in Human Services. And the Bill that I would like put cn Interim Study, which is mine, is 2151 in Human Services also."

"Mr. Doyle requests leave that House Fill 2151 be placed on the Order of Interim Study. Leave is granted. House Bill 2151 is placed on the Order of Interim Study. Mr. Doyle, alsc, requests leave that Acuse Bill 2125, Sponsored by Representative Diderson (sic lidrickson) be placed cn... where was... where is the Fill assigned now? Is it assigned to a Committee? Turn on Representative Diderson (sic Didrickson)."

"It's Labor and Commerce."

"Fine. So that the... the Motion will be that the Bill be taken from the Order of Interim Study and be assigned to the Committee on Labor and Commerce." 4  STATE OF IIIINCIS 83RE GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEPATE May 4, 1983 39th Legislative Day

"Correct."

"Now, Representative, has that Fill been posted for consideration?"

"That Bill had been posted. I was not aware that it had been taken off. I never requested for Interim Study."

"Fine. Thank you. Representative Vinson."

"Mr. Speaker, I was confused... concerned, yesterday, that this scrt of thing might occur in the... in the mayla this week. It may occur again. I think that... I think that there are a couple of easy ways of avoiding the problem, and that would be if each Sponsor, when they stand up, with that Motion, dc indicate that they are the principal Sponsor of the Bill, and then of course, if we later find cut that they're not the principal Sponsor of the Bill, the Motion would have no effect. And that might save us from really getting into a serious problem on this, as the week goes cn."

"I think your point is well taken, Mr. Vinson. For what purpose does Representative Dicker... Didrickson seek recognition?"

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is Didrickson. I, too, request Interim Study for a number of Bills, that I am the primary Sponsor for. House Bill 1710, in Judiciary; House Bills 2076, 2077, and 2121, in Revenue; and House Bill 2122 for Elections."

"Is there leave? Leave is granted that those Bills shall be placed on the Order of Interim Study. Representative Currie."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would li... request leave to put House Bill 1645, 6 (sic - 1646), and 7 (sic - 1647) in Interim Study. All three are in the House Lator and Commerce Committee."

"Is there leave? Leave is granted that those 5  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th legislative Day May 4, 1983 Fills shall be placed on the Order of Interim Study. Mr. Yourell, do you seek recognition?"

"Yes. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.. As a principal Sponsor of House Bills 1217, and 1220, I would ask leave to have those Bills placed in Interim Study in the Elections Committee."

"Is there leave? Leave is granted that those Bills shall be placed cn the Order of Interim Study. Representative Rhem."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'd like to have leave to place House Bill 2228 into Interim Study. It's assigned to the Committee on labor and Commerce."

"Is there leave? Leave is granted that that Bill shall be placed оп the Order of Interim Study. Representative Cblinger."

"I'm sorry. Mr. Speaker, I'd like to place House Fill 2090 in Interim Study. It's in Fevenue. "

"Are you the principal SponsoI?"

"I'm the principal Sponsor."

"Is there leave? Leave is granted that that Bill shall be placed in the Crder cf Interim Study. Representative Peterson."

"Mr. Speaker, I ask leave of the House to place House Bill 1601 in Interim Study. It's in the Fevenue Committee."

"Are you the principal Sponsor of the Fill?"

"Yes."

"Is there leave? Leave is granted that that Bill shall be place on the Order of Interim Study. Does anyone else seek recognition to place a Eill on the Order of Interim Study? Mr. Curran."

"Mr. Speaker. I'm the principal Sponsor of cuse Bill 1770 and 1771, in Fublic Utilities. I'd like those placed 6  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th legislative Day on Interim Study." May 4, 1983

Clerk Speaker Madigan: "IS there leave? Leave is granted that those Bills shall be placed on the Crder cf interim Study. Mr. Clerk, what do you have befcre you? Committee Reports."

"Bepresentative Richmond, Chairman from the Committee on Agriculture, to which the following Bills were referred, action taken May 3, 1983, report the same back with following recommendations: 'dc pass' House Bills 1367, 1368, 1571, 1573, 1928, 2130; 'do pass as arended' House Bill 1597; do pass Short Debate Calendar House Eill 2080; 'do pass as amended Short Lebate House Fill 2078; 'do pass Consent Calendar House Bill 1952, 1953, and 1870; 'do pass as amended Consent Calendar House Bill 1927 and 2071; 'Interim Study Calendar House Fill 1184 and 1767; 'Table by Rule 26 (d)' House Bill 1199. Fepresentative Giglio, Chairman of the Committee on Cities and Villages, to which the following Bills were referred, action taken Ap... May 3, 1983, report the same back with the following recommendation: 'dc pass' House Fills 1740, 550, 2182, and 2006; 'do pass as amended House Fills 2220, 1780, and 2219; do pass Short Debate House Fills 1051 and 1669; 'dc pass as amended Short Debate House Pills 1724, 1842, and 1208. Representative Flinn, Chairman of the Committee cn Financial Institutions, to which the following Fills were referred, action taken May 3, 1983, refort the same back with following reccomendations: 'do pass House Bills 1624, 2025, 1825, and 1973; 'do pass as amended House Fills 2041 and 1508; 'do pass Short Debate Calendar House Fills 1802, 1877, and 1924: 'dc pass as amended Short Debate House Bill 1225; 'Interim Study Calendar House Fills 1623, 1804, and 2146. Bepresentative Laurinc, Chairman cf the Committee on Insurance, to which the following Fills were referred, action taken May 3, 1983, refort the same back 7  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day May 4, 1983 with following recommendations: 'do pass' House Bill 1880; 'do pass as amended' House Bill 1500 and 1950; 'do pass Short Debate Calendar' House Bills 1611 and 1673; 'do pass as amended Short Debate' House Bill 1590, 1674, 1938, and 2116; 'Interim Study Calendar' House Bills 1088, 1352, 1580, 2112, and 2225; 'do pass Consent Calendar' House Bills 1707, 1777, 1918, and 1944; 'do not pass' House Bill 2198. Representative Brummer, Chairman of the Committee on Public Utilities, to which the following Bills were referred, action taken May 3, 1983, report the same back with following reccomendations: 'do pass' House Bills 1376, 2019, 2107; 'do pass as amended' House Bills 89, 367, 368, 1155, 1345, 1813, and 1814; 'do pass Short Debate' House Bill 985; 'do pass as amended Short Debate' House Bill 886. Representative John Cunn, Chairman of the Committee on Transportation and Motor Vehicles, to which the following Bills were referred, action taken May 3, 1983, report the same back with following recommendations: 'do pass' House Bills 882, 1281, 1585, 1224, and 1477; 'do pass as amended' House Bills 1753 and 1805; 'do pass Short Debate' House Bills 1293 and 1213; 'do pass as amended Short Debate' House Bill 2230 and 1170; 'do pass Consent Calendar' House Bill 1230 and 1483; 'do pass as amended Consent Calendar' House Bill 1844; 'Interim Study Calendar' House Bills 1456, 2227, 2095, 2096, and 2129; 'Tabled by Rule' House Bill 322. Representative Satterthwaite, Chairman of the Committee on Higher Education, to which the following Bills were referred, action taken April 27, 1983, report the same back with following recommendations: 'do not pass' House Bill 1349."

"Representative Breslin in the Chair."

"The Chair will go to the Order of House Bills Third Reading. Next Bill, House Bill 366. Representative 8  STATE OF ILLINCIS 83BE GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Lay Terzich. May, 1983 House Fill 366. Representative Terzich. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 366, a Eill foI an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Fension Code. Third Reading cf the Fill."

"The Gentleman from Ccck, Representative Terzich."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Ecuse. House Bill 366 amends several Sections of the Article to accomplish the following. It removes the personal liability for breaches of judiciary duty. It removes certain relatives from a list of parties of interest and re... removeS requirement that trustees prevent cther trustees from breaching their judiciary responsibilities. This Fill originated from the... the Illincis State Board of Investments. And what it would dc, it would provide the members of... trustees tr of the State Board, the sare coverages that cther trustees of pension systems have throughout the state under the public employee pension system. There, of course, is no cost to this here program, and I would appreciate the support of the House."

"Is there any discussion? There being nc discussion, the guestion is, 'Will this Bill...' Ckay, Representative Wolf."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Would the Sponsor yield to a question?"

"The Sponsor indicates he will yield."

"Representative Terzich, was there an indication of an Amendment that was to be filed?"

"The indication of the Amendment, in discussing with the... the Fension laws Commission, that it would be acceptable for an Amendment that would be adopted in the Senate, if the Bill get out..." 9  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day

"Very good. Thank you very much."

"Is there any further discussion? May 4, 1983 There being no further discussion, the question is, 'Will this Bill pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Representative Homer, would you vote me 'aye' please? The Clerk will take the record. This Bill having 94 'ayes' and 13 'nays', 3 voting 'present' having... this Bill, having reached the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Next Bill is House Bill 369. Representative Yourell. Clerk, call the record... call the Bill."

"House Bill 369, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the School Code. Third Reading of the Bill."

"The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Yourell."

"Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, House Bill 369 is an attempt to alleviate the problem that is caused by increasing energy cost to our school districts. What this Bill does, and I'll tell you right flat out from the beginning, it's without a referendum. It allows school districts, with a majority vote of the Board, to levy up to .05, to take care of any increased energy cost. As you know, the energy costs are generally paid... paid from the building and maintenance fund, and once those funds are depleted they go into the educational fund. And as a result of that, that fund suffers and is not used for the purposes for which it was originally intended. There are... according to the Illinois Commerce Commission, electric rates have increased 38.6% from 1979 to 1981. And according to the Illinois State Board of Education, revenue to school districts have increased 6% in that same period. This is not a tax increase passed by the General Assembly. As I indicated, it would take a majority of the school board members to 10  STATE OF IIIINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION LEEATE 39th Legislative Day May 4, 1983 vote on this issue. It supports local control of school districts. To give you one example, the Champaign-Urtana School District had a last year increase of $63,000.00. This is a minimal effort to do something to take care of the energy cost that school districts are experiencing in the present time. I would appreciate a favorable vote."

"The Chair recognizes the Lady from Dupage, Representative Nelson."

"Thank you, Madame Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I believe that the proposer of this Bill has in mind helping cut school districts. But I would like to explain to you why I think that there are some serious problems with this Bills, and why we may be punishing those school districts, who in good faith have worked hard and have spent a great deal of money to install insulation and energy efficient heating and cooling systems. First of all, please note that this Bill would authorize school boards to levy, without referendum, a school energy tax to pay costs up to 5%. What we are, in fact, saying then to school districts is, 'It doesn't matter how wasteful you are. It doesn't matter what your policies have been in the past. You can just go right ahead and be as wasteful as you want. You're going to be able to tax and recoup that money from the citizens in your school district.' I would urge you to understand very clearly that there is no built-in incentive to be efficient in energy usage for school districts in this Bill. And in fact, I believe that we would be punishing those school districts, who have already economized, those school districts who have invested in insulation, other energy efficient installations in their buildings, and who will not be able to regain the money that they have spent in good faith, expecting that they would then save the money over future 11  39th Legislative Day STATE OF IIIINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 4, 1983 years use. I would urge a 'ro' vote on House Pill1 369."

"Is there any further discussion? Is there any further discussion? Representative Satterthwaite."

"Mr. Speak... Ers. Speaker, and Member cí the House. I rise in strong support of this legislation. There is nc school board that I' aware of that will capricicusly tax the payers of their district for funds that are not needed. The experience shows that even with extra insulation, even with weather stripping, even with all of those kinds of measures that cur schccl districts have put in place, the rising cost of utility bills is such that, even though they 1c... use less energy, their tills are higher. All this Bill does is give your local schccl board some additional control. If they do not have the power to tax to cover their costs of utilities, we will end up with that mcney having to be paid out of what otherwise would be educational dcllars. I think that We have responsible lccal school boards. Those lccal schcol boards are not going to be capricious about taxing, if they do not have a need for those taxes. It, alsc, provides them with the flexibility of being able to continue a reasonable educational program with the funds that were ccllected cn the basis of an educational pregrar. The Bill will not solve all of the problems of the utility bills cf your school district. There is still an incentive fcr ycur school district to take whatever kinds cf measures are cost effective for cutting back on their energy usage. It simply provides them a little bit of a cushion, when they are finding themselves in a terrible squeeze cf having pay their utility kills before they can tell how many teachers they're going to be able to hire, how many classes they're gcing to be able to support for the coming year. tc This Bills dces not mandatate... mandate arything. It 12  STATE OF IIIINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th legislative Day simply allows your local schcol board May 4, 1983 additional discretion, and I urge support of the Fill."

"Is there any further discussion? Is there any further discussion? There being no further discussion, the Chair represent... recognizes Representative Ycurell to close."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, you've heard, and I indicated in my opening remarks, that this does not require a referendum. But that seems to be the big bugaboc about passing things in this House relative to schools. When we're asked in about thirty days tc vote cn an increase in the state income tax, I can assure you that there will be no statewide referendum tc tend to those needs that we're going to be asked to vote on, so don't be focled with that kind of rhetcric. This returns local school dis... control to the locals. It has to be passed by a majority of the boar... board members, whc are subject to election by their cwn constituents. This... in an attempt to answer a very serious problem. I have in my hand, a list of 172 school districts in Illincis, that can nct pay their increased energy cost from their building and maintenance fund. This is an attempt to help those people, and I urge your support."

"A11 those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'nc'. Have all those voted whc wish? Have all those voted who wish? Have all those voted whc wish? The Clerk will take the reccrd. This Bill, having failed to receive the Constitutional Majority... receiving 51 'aye' votes, 55 'nc' votes, is herety declared lost. Bcuse Eill 377. Representative Capparelli. Clerk, read the Fill."

"House Bill 377, a Bill for an Act to amend 13  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day May 4, 1983 Sections of the Illinois Pension Code. Third Reading of the Bill."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Capparelli."

"House Bill 377 amends the Pension Code to include cancer as an occupational disease for firemen in cities over 500,000. This Bill provides that firefighters, unable to perform their duties, because of a disabling cancer, which develops while a firefighter is in service, are entitled to receive occupational disease disability benefits. The cancer must be the type of carcinogenic exposure. And this is defined by the International Agency of Research on Cancer, and I would ask for a favorable Roll Call."

"Is there any discussion? Is there any discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Capparelli to close."

"I just ask for a favorable Roll Call, Speaker."

"All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Representative DeJaegher, would you vote me 'aye please? The Clerk will take the record. There being 79 'ayes', 27 'nos', 6 voting 'present', this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 379. Representative Capparelli."

"House Bill 379, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Pension Code. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Capparelli."

"Thank you. House Bill 379 is another of the package of the firefighters Bills. This one amends the Chicago Firemen's Article of the Pension to increase the minimum widows' annuity to 30% of an active man's actual salary and 14  STATE OF IILINGIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEFATE 39th legislative lay May 4, 1983 50% of a retired man's pension. These provisions will give the widows a larger minimum annuity. That is necessary because the widows presently are living at poverty annuities, and I would ask for a favcrable Rcll Call."

HIS there any discussion? Is there any discussion? All those in favor vcte 'aye', all those opposed vcte 'nc. The Clerk will take the reccrd. There being 87 'ayes', 24 'nos', 3 voting 'present', this Fill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 380."

"House Fill 380, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illincis Pension Code. Third Reading cf the Fill."

"Representative Capparelli."

"This is the last of the firemen's package. This is House Bill 380. It changes the gualifications for retirement to 20 years of service at 50 years of age... and frcm 23... that is from 23... 53 years of age. The benefit would put the firefighters in parody with the downstate firefighters, and I would ask for a favorable Roll Call."

"Is there any discussion? Is there any discussion? There being no discussion, all those in favcr vote 'aye, all those opposed vote 'no'. Have all those voted who wish? Have all those voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. There is 76 'ayes', 36 'nos', 1 voting 'present'. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 381. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Eill 381, a Bill fcI ar Act to amend Sections of an Act providing for organization, creration of mosquito abatement districts. Third Reading of the Eill."

"The Gentleman frce Cook, Representative Eirkinbine."

"Thank you, Madame Speaker, ard ladies and Gentlemen 15  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES IRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th legislative Day May 4, 1983 of the House. House Bill 381 would permit a mosquito abasement... abatement district of 500,000 population or more to provide in its annual budget for a capitol improvement repair and replacement fund. This is not in any sense an ability to tax more. It's simply to earmark certain dollars that can be set aside for large capital improvements. Prevently... Presently the language exists for mosquito abatements districts that are fewer than 500,000 in population. But two districts, the Northwest Suburban Mosquito Abatement District, the South Cook County Mosquito Abatement District have already passed the 500,000 population mark, and the Des Plaines District is close to that mark. There is no language that allows them to set aside those dollars for large capital improvement. This simply adds that language, and I would ask for an 'aye' vote."

"The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Piel."

"Thank you, Madame Speaker. What I would ask leave of the House that we may at the present time waive House Rule 65(b) dealing with the present Speaker in the Chair... dealing with addressing the Chair... Members addressing the Chair."

"Is there leave to amend that Rule? There being no discussion, all those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed say 'nay'. The 'ayes' have it. The Rule is suspended. Representative Winchester."

"Thank you, Madame Chairman. Would the Gentleman yield to a question?"

"Will the Gentleman yield? The Gentleman will yield."

"Representative Birkinbine, former State Representative C. L. McCormick called me this morning, and 16  39th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 4, 1983 as you know, during the 20 years that he was in the General Assembly, he was well known for his efforts to... to fight the mosquito problem in Stonefort, Illinois. And when he heard that this Bill, which apparently has been getting a lot of statewide publicity, that this Bill might be coming up today, he wanted me to ask you if Stonefort, a town of 175, would qualify under this Bill for any assistance?"

"No. This Bill does not have anything to do with former Rep. C. I. McCormick's district."

"Well, then good. He said for me to support it then."

"The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Cullerton."

"Thank you, Madame Speaker. Would the Gentleman yield?"

"The Gentleman will yield."

"Representative Birkinbine, could you explain to me, why this is not a tax increase? It's not... you said that it's not a tax increase without a referendum."

"That's right."

"It's an authorization to appropriate?"

"No. It's an authorization to set aside certain dollars, each year, into a capital improvement fund. Presently, Mosquito Abatement Districts, of population of 500,000 or less, have permissive language that is in the... it's governed by the Municipal Appropriations and Budgetary Law. And that covers such districts, similar to municipalities, under 500,000 population, but once they go beyond that number, they don't have any such language that allows them to set aside, in a fund, each year, certain dollars that are specifically earmarked for a specific capital improvement."

"So the money, that they would set aside, is money 17  STATE OF ILIINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEFATE 39th legislative Cay May 4, 1983 that comes from their normal tax levy ability ncw?"

"Yes."

"Why is it so high? My under... as I read this, there are some districts in Cook County that cculd set aside over $23,000,000.00, because you have a formula cf one-half percent of the egualized assessed value of the property. Doesn't 't that seem like a lot cf mchey for capital improvements?"

"To be honest with you, I'm not all that familiar with the costs that are necessary by the Mosquito Abatement Districts. I only know that those districts, two presently in Cock County, and one more fast affrcaching it..."

"Eut which one are you referring tc? I... I have a... an analysis here that indicates South Cock County could afprop... could set aside, if you will, $23,000,000.00; Northwest Ccck County, $23,000,000.00; Northshore $14,000,000.00; and Des Plaines $9,000,000.00."

"The language specifically says that the dollars can be set aside for a particular project. Any dcllars nct used in the... in completing that project go back into that fund. Go back into the General dollars."

"Okay. It would still authorize, though, the possibility of up tc... over $23,000,000.00 being spent for capital improvements, repair, or replacement fcr Mcsquito Abatement District."

"Existing law does that now, yes. es. Presently, you referred to Scuth Cock County. Scuth Cock Ccunty has passed the 500,000 population mark. Because of that, they can't establish cr set aside such a fund, they and the Northwest Suburban Mosquito Abatement District. Presently, they can not establish such a fund the way every other Mosquito Abatement District, that is belcw 500,000 population, can." 18  STATE OF ILLINGIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION LEEATF 39th legislative Day

"Well, because... because there's a lct more money involved when you get into a higher..."

"It's not a matter of dollars. It's a matter of language that is missing in the Code."

"Once you get into a higher population, though, ycu're talking about higher assessed valuation, and therefore, you're talking about a lot Bcre money that can be set aside."

"Sure. Sure."

"Okay. Thank you."

"Is there any further discussion? Is there any further discussion? There being rc further discussion, Representative Eirkinbine to close."

"T would simply ask for an affirmative vote on this Fill. Thank you."

"All those in favor vcte 'aye', all those opposed vcte 'no'. Have all those vcted whe wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. There are 105 voting 'aye', 1 voting 'nc', 4 voting 'present'. This Bill, having received the Constituticnal Majority, is hereby declared passed. At this time, the Chair is pleased to introduce Representative Fric Turner, a Democrat sitting over here next to Representative Matijevich's chair, frce the 31st District, of the Northeastern District of Indiana. Representative Turner. Please recognize him. Welcome, Representative Turner. House Bill 387. Fepresentative McGann. Read the Fill, please."

"House Fill 387, a Bill fcr an Act tc amend Sections of the Illincis Pension Code. Third Feading of the Fill."

"Representative McGann."

"Thank you, Madame Chairman... Madame Speaker, and Members of this Assembly. I am standing to present to you 19  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th legislative Day May 4, 1983 this Bill, House Bill 387, which provides a new fcrmula for calculating the required annual tax levely... levy, requires that the unfunded accrued liability be amcrtized over a pericd of forty years, to better fund the Chicago Firefighters' Pension Fund. The multipliers, ncw in effect, are not sufficient to met the normal cost plus the interest on the unfunded liabilities of this fund. My colleague from across the aisle, when I put Amendment tc this Bill last week, guestioned exactly what it would be costing the taxpayers of Cock County. I have that infcrmation. I have shared that infcrmation with him, that we're talking about 9g for each $100.00 cf equalized assessed valuation. I ask that we pass this Fill today. We must have re... responsible government.. We don't want to end up in the Firefighters' Pension Funds, what we did in the Unemployment Insurance in this state. We've got tc keep to date, and we have to act responsibly; therefore, I ask for passage of this House Fill 387."

"The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from DeWitt, Representative Vinson."

"Thank you, Br. Speaker... Cr Madame Speaker, I should say. ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Cn Second Reading, I gueried the Sponsor of the Bill in regard to what the total cost of this levy would be, and at that time he had not yet been provided with the information. Ee has subsequently shared that infcrmation with me. It is a significant figure, but what this Fill really is, in my judgment, is, perhaps, the most responsible pension legislation of this Session. The Sponsor has recognized that there is a very substantial problem in the unfunded accrued liability of a majcı pension system in this state. And instead of just proceeding along, and enacting rew benefits to please 20  STATE CF IIIINCIS 83RE GENERAL ASSEEBIY HOUSE OF REFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 39th Legislative Day May 4, 1983 firefighters or retired firefighters, he has stepped forward, in my judgment, couragecusly, because he comes from a part of the City, which we all know has reluctance to support tax increases. He has stepped forth couragecusly tc cure the problem, even though it does require the imposing cf a new and higher tax for the purpose. I think it is remarkable that a Freshman Legislator would come before this House with a program this bold, and this... recognizing cf real reality facing the pension systems of Illincis. I think he is to be commended, and I think that this kind of responsibility were carried forward in regard to some of the other things State Government does, this state would be much better off and this legislature would be held in much higher esteem. So I both commend Representative McGann and rise in support of his piece of legislation."

"The Chair recognizes the Gentlenar from Cook, Representative Huff."

"Thank you, Madame Chairman, and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I was eager to jcin into this debate, because it's not too often that Representative Vinson and I see eye and eye on any cre issue. However, I'd like also tc join Representative Vinson in his accolade to the tremendous work that Representative McGann has done in the area... unfunded liabilities. I think he has come up with a definitive sclution with that area, and I, tcc, would like to rise in support of Representative McGann's Fill. It's very noteworthy and is worthy of our 'aye' vote."

"The Chair reccgnizes the Lady from Cook, Representative Pullen."

"Thank you. I'd like tc ask the Sponsor a question please."

"He says he will yield." 21  STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY ACUSE OF REFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th legislative Day

"Sir, you indicated that this would be a tax levy of a particular aucunt on Cock County, and I wonder whether I could clarify. Is that Cock County cr is it the City of Chicago?"

"It would pertain to the... actually to the City of Chicago, under the Cock County Assessor's Office, but it'll be pertaining just to the taxpayers of the City of Chicago... is my understanding."

"Thank you."

"Is there any further discussion? Is there any further discussion? There being no further discussion, the Gentleman from Cock to close, Representative EcGann."

"Thank you, Madame Speaker. I would just take a moment tc thank Representative Vinsor and Representative Huff for their fine words. I hope that all the Members of this House today will feel a positive effect in voting 'yes' for House Fill 387. Thank you."

Speaker Breslin: "A11 those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'nc'. Have all those vcted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. There being 100 'ayes', 4 'nos', 4 voting 'present', this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Fill 398. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 398, a Pill for an Act to authorize townships to establish Flan Commissions. Third Reading of the Fill."

"Representative Hastert."

"Madame Chairman, Iladies and Gentlemen of the Assembly. I'd like to cffer before you House Fill 398. 398 is a permissive Bill. It allows townships to create a town... a Commission that reports to the township board. That jck cf that Commission is to share in the planning of townships, and to help in the location of where quarries and airports 22  39th Legislative Day STATE OF ILIINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 4, 1983 and things like that would be located. It's a good Bill. It's a Bill that's teen asked for by pecple in my area... in the area of the collar counties, and I ask fcI your support."

"The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Champaign, Representative Johnson."

"Somebody else turned it cn. I didn't."

"Okay. The Chair recognizes the Gentleman frcE Knox, Representative Hawkinson. Is there any further discussion? Okay. The Gentleman frco Ccck, Bepresentative Cullerton."

"Thank you, Madame Speaker. Will the Gentleman yield?'

"He says he will yield."

"Dces this apply to all the townships in the State of Il..."

"No, it doesn't. It excludes Cock County."

"Okay. Does this allow for raising any funds tc pay for salaries?"

"No, it doesn't."

"Does it have any..."

"Might I expand on that? In tcunships, you cf course, the idea of local control... salaries aren't mandated cn this thing, nc, it's optional if they want tc have salaries, they can, but most people that serve in these types of capacities, serve free as a vclunteer."

"Do you think that... what would be the relationship between the township and the county, if this Eill would... were to pass?"

"The relationship between the tcwnship beard and the ccunty board would be the sare as the relationship that the county municipalities have at this time."

"Would a... would a Plan Commission, as contemplated 23  STATE OF IIIINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day Hastert: under this Fill..." May 4, 1983 "Mr... Excuse me, Madame Speaker, I can't hear."

"Yes. Would the Plan Commissicr as authorized by this Haster: Bill allow this township to annex new land?" "NO, it doesn't. It doesn't provide for an annexation. We had a series of Amendments to kncck cut an y cf the language that was... that was... had a problem with, and there's no annexation in this at all."

"Thank you."

"Is there any further discussion? There being no further discussion, Representative Hastert to close."

"Well, Madame Chairman, and Members of the House. Again, I just remind you that this is a permissive Bill. It's a Bill that addresses scre problems in the collar counties, and I ask for your support."

"All those in favor vcte 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Have all these vcted whc wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. There are 103 'ayes', 6 vcting 'nc', 2 voting 'present'. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. The Chair recogni zes Representative Vitek for the purposes of an introduction."

"Thank you, Madame Speaker. ladies and Gentlemen of the House, the great leader of Cook County, our County Clerk, Stanley 'Kusper', in the back with Steve Nash."

"Welcome. House Bill 401. Representative Wolf. Clerk, read the... the Eill."

"House Bill 401, a Bill fcr an Act to amend Sections of the Unified Code of Corrections. Third Reading of the Eill."

"Representative Wolf."

"Thank you, Madame Speaker, Members of the House. House Bill 401 is simply an Amendment to the Unified Ccde cf 24  39th Legislative Day STATE OF IIIINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEFATE May 4, 1983 Corrections, as they pertain to work release prisoners. And it simply removes the provision, which would... have required that the balance of any earnings that they might have left, after paying obligations, be kept in an ESCIOW account. There were other items on this Eill when it was originally introduced, all of which Were remcved by an Amendment. The Fill came cut cf Committee 17 tc nothing. I simply ask your favorable consideration."

"Is there any discussion? Is there any discussion? There being nc discussion, Representative Wolf to close."

"Again, I just ask your support."

"All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'ac'. Have all those vcted whc wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. There are 114 voting aye, no voting 'nc', nc voting 'present'. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 403. Clerk, read the Fill." tc

"House Fill 403, a Bill for an Act provide group accident and health insurance coverage for continued a period not to exceed six months tc persons, who have been fired or laid off. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Greiman."

"Thank you, Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, there is a... a new class of Americans, the uninsured, medically uninsured, people, who have grown up to lock to their place of employment for medical insurance, themselves and their family. Now in the course of this recession or depression or what ever ycu will term millions cf Americans are unemployed and are losing... are losing their... medical insurance which is granted them as a condition and as part of their emplcyment. House Bill 25  STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY BCUSE OF REFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day May 4, 1983 403 asks no dole. It asks no... it asks nothing from government. It asks nothing frce employers. It merely asks that the people who are fired, fecple whose jcbs are terminated, be allowed to continue their own insur... their... their group insurance at the same premium level and at the same benefit level for a period of six months, while they are locking for rew emplcyment. It is a Bill essentially for middle class people, if you will. No dole. No charity, but paying their own way. I submit to you that at this time, in this ccuntry, being unemployed in not necessarily make you a high risk. It makes you just kind of ou.. cut in the world exposed, hanging if you will from a limb and exposed. This Bill is a good Eill. The insurance companies oppose this Bill. Make no mistakes, Sc if your people, whc... who vote with insurance companies in a knee jerk way, then think about this Bill. They oppose this Bill. They oppose it, and they tell ycu there are different kinds of policies that we'll continue on, and we allow conversion, except it's half the premiur.... I mean, it's acuble the premium and half the benefits. That's what they offer. And I say that we're entitled to allow people, who are now unemployed to continue their insurance at their expense for six months, while they replace their jobs. And I ask for a favorable Roll Call."

"The Chair recognizes the Lady from Cook, Representative Alexander."

"Thank you, Madame Chair. Wculd the Sponsor yield?"

"He says he will yield."

"Absclutely."

"Thank you. Representative Greiman, usually any group insurance plan with companies, the rate is greatly reduced. Heretofore, when a person became employed, many of the companies reorganized their employees tc continue their 26  STATE OF IIIINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day May 4, 1983 insurance coverages, but at a much higher rate of coverage. Would your Bill keep the insurance coverage for the six month pericd at the reduced rate that the company cr concern that covered them had, at the time of their employment?"

"This would keep it as if they WELE members cf the group, SO if the group goes up, this goes.up. They would become... they're not... they're nct a benefiting class any higher than other employees, so that if the rate changed for example, for other employees, then it would change fcr them as well. They are locked into that policy for a period of six months."

"Ckay. What happens... what is the effective date on your Bill?"

"Pardon."

"Dc you have an effective date on this Bill? It's not retroactive. It's..."

"Well, we can't make it retroactive because of the... cf the Constitutional Frohibition against impairment cf contract."

"Thank you very kindly."

"The Chair recognizes Representative Kirkland."

"Will the Sponsor yield?"

"He says he will yield."

"Is my analysis correct that this alsc includes employees whe voluntarily leave their employment? Ir cther words, not just terminated employees but also employees whc voluntarily leave their emplcyment, whc quit."

"I'm locking at that..."

"Okay..."

"Termination is de... defined as, 'when an employee has been fired or laid off', so that, I take it that that 'fired' CI 'laid' off is when it is. So that if the 27  STATE OF IIIINGIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCSIFTION TEEATE 39th Legislative Day May 4, 1983 employee voluntarily guits, he would nct be under this Fill. Sc if that's what your analysis says, ycur analysis is incorrect."

"The Chair recognizes the Gentleman frce Cock, Representative Terzich."

"Yes, Representative Greiman. You mentioned that it's at a lower cost on a... cn a group rate, than cn an individual rate. Did you state that the cost for insurance would be less on a group plan, than cn an individual plan?"

"I stated that policies purchased cut in the market and conversion policies have less benefits and have higher premiums, than would a group policy."

"Under ycur plan, does this mean that if a company has life insurance, and disability income, and dental insurance, and optcmetric care, and major medical that they would continue this whole package?"

"It means that they would continue the medical parts of that package. Indeed, they would continue major medical. Yes, they would, indeed. Indeed, they would continue all of the medical treatment that's being given. It would allow people, for example, who are midway in treatment to continue with that treatment. That's right. That's correct, Sir."

"Would it alsc provide pregnancy benefits for scmecne, who might be 55 cr 60 years cld?"

"Would it provide? I'm sorry... it would provide what?"

"I would assume then under the conversion plan, someone 55 or 60 or something, would alsc furchase the pregnancy benefits in the group plan."

"It would provide... it would provide whatever is in the group, Mr. Terzich. That's what it would provide. Whatever the policy is... we don't give them anyncre than the rest of the workers bad. We give him what all the 28  STATE OF ILIINCIS 83RE GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION LEBATE 39th legislative Day May 4., 1983 workers, who were working with him side by side, had befcre he got laid off. And we extend his policy for six months. We give him the same coverage that he had, and the same coverage that the group continues tc have."

"Who is going to supply the benefits? The employer CE the insurance carrier?"

"As I understand insurance, Kr. Terzich, cne pays a premium, and then the insurance carrier provides the insur... the coverage. And obviously there are all kinds of different plans, but those plans, basically, would work where... even when there's reimbursements, and there's a premium set at a later time after they find cut what the experience rate is. Nonetheless, the premiums would be paid by the individual, not by the employer, even though the employer might have been paying it before. And the... eventually the... the insurance companies would make the payments, but I'd say that the policy holders pay... pay for the benefits. That's who pays for it, policy holders."

"Well, the policy holder is the employer. What happens if the employer..."

"No, the employer does not pay fcr... for it. I said that the employee pays for it."

"I said..."

"Very often the employer may have been paying for it, but his obligation to pay for that employee's health insurance ceases when he fires him. And then, if the employee wants to continue, then that employee can continue along."

"Well, without going through tcc much dialogue, with regard tc the Bill, that the group insurance carriers are not objecting tc any conversion plan, it's a more complicated method, because the contract is between the employer and the insurance company and nct the individual. 29  39th Legislative Day STATE OF IIIINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIFTION DEBATE May 4, 1983 And the fact that the cost for a... a person under a group insurance averages approximately $2,000.00 a year, there's ncthing cheap about a conversion plan, and that in most cases the employee can purchase ar insurance product by himself or through the conversion method. The... this Bill does not scive the so called problem, which the Sponsor deems tc consider prevalent in the state today, and they should not be chastising the insurance industry for this particular item. That if the person desires scre type cf coverage, I sure that there's an insurance carrier that will provide that, and that this will rct resclve any problems, nor do I know, basically, cf any problems that dc exist that the people are storming to get a conversion plan or a continuation of a health plan with an employer. Because once they leave the employee of a... an employer, they also leave their pay check, and therefore, they find it very difficult to pay for a... a conversion plan ΟΙ a continuation of their group insurance plan, sc I would urge a 'no' vote on the Bill."

"The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Cock, Representative Birkinbine."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House... Madame Speaker, I apologize. When this Eill was heard before the cuse Insurance Committee, there were a number of problems that were pointed cut to the Sponsor. Problems, that he indicates on the flccr today, would naturally be solved, but indeed, the language is not there. For example, what happens if, the company that has the group in fcl... the group policy changes companies. What happens if rates go up? What happens if policy coverage changes? None of these, indeed, are addressed in the Bill. The poke that he tock, and frankly the a... appeal to knee jerk reaction among Members of this House, which I thick, 30  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEKELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEEATE 39th Legislative Day is frankly, about Hay 4, 1983 should be embarrassing to everyone here... anti-industry, indeed, OVEI in the Senate, his Democratic colleagues, Senator D'Arce has, indeed, worked on a Bill that would do virtually the same thing, but addresses the prcblems that the Sponsor of the Pill, apparently has act been willing to address ress in this Bill. Additionally be has overlcoked the fact that there is something consid... called 'adverse selection. For example, if this Bcdy, presently covered by a grouf insurance plan, were to find itself unemployed, aside from the fact that the state would all cheer, all of us would presently be without health insurance. NOW, that's an expensive venture. Those of us, whc decided to pay that extra amount, would be those people, who anticipated SOME health problems scon cn. The other people, who would say, 'I'll take my chances and won't gc with it.' In cther words, the so called group plan would be stacked with those people, who knew they had health picklems and wanted the coverage; whereas, the balance of the group would not. That is adverse selection' and it tends to skew the whole concept of what is group coverage, and why group ccverage can provide such low rates. That, also, is obviously, not addressed in this Bill. In fact, this flies in the face of that concept. I don't think it's a wise idea. I think We will see a better Bill coming over from the Senate, that will address this problem, and I recommend a 'nc' vote on this Bill. Thank you."

"The Chair recognizes the Gentlewar frce Will, Representative Davis. Representative Davis."

"Well, thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield? Madame, Speaker."

"The Gentleman will yield."

"Representative Greiman, I... I have a copy of the Bill 31  STATE OF IIIINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEEATE 39th Legislative Day May 4, 1983 and one Amendment here. I ncte that it was amended twice, and perhaps, that's a lack of... cf communication through my Bill bock. Have... has this... does this Fill now include by Arendment or in the base Eill, and I could not find it, all state, county, and local governments? Will it effect those as defined as employers?"

"It... it... it in fac... yeah, well, it impacts on the policy, so therefore, if a state or local government gets a policy, then the state and local government's policy would contain the provisions that allows for a six month extension."

"Well, then indeed, this is a mandate to state, county, and local government, that they should adopt cr must adopt this policy for it to succeed."

"No, it's a mandate on insurance companies, not on state and local policy."

"The mandate..."

"... Insurance companies sell policies, and the mandate is on insurance companies."

"Eut... but it will be incumbent uich state, local, and... and county governments, and all local governments fcr that matter, to... to process these applications to continue through the... the administrative... morass cf making absolutely certain..."

"Nothing says that they have to have insurance."

"Nothing says..."

"NO. There's no mandate."

"Well, if they have.... if they have a grcup plan? Is that correct?"

"Well, if they have to... there's lot of things that... that mandate, I suppose we have third party pay. We have lots of things in there..."

"Well..." 32  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day

"... medical, major medical. There are lots of things."

"Well... well, could you estimate? Mr. Greiman, could you estimate for me what the cost would be to the City of Chicago, let's say?"

"Yes. Zero."

"Why... why would you say that, Sir, when you know..."

"Because the employees are going to be paying the premiums. The employees premiums will be adjusted based on... on experience, and obviously, they will pay the premiums. The City of Chicago will pay zero."

"There will be no administrative cost. The employee will pay that in your Bill as well..."

"I would think that the administrative cost will be so... well, now you... of course I'm stuck. One person says, 'Oh, nobody wants this anyhow.' And now you tell... your im... implying there's hugh administrative cost. I think it would be..." hug

"No, I'm not implying... Sir, I am not implying anything. I'm asking a question."

"The computers... the computers are in place. The... the number of... of the cost, if there is, would be negligible... minish... it would be miniscule."

"Your answer is the the cost would be negligible for..."

"Miniscule."

"... approximately 500,000 state and county local employees."

"Yes, miniscule."

"Well, to the Bill, Madame Speaker. I... I tend to disagree with that. All of us know the administrative costs and the nightmares of running major group policies, if nothing else, in the City of Chicago, and in the State of Illinois. There would be a... a significant administrative cost. There was no State Mandates Note Act 33  STATE CE IILINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th legislative Day May 4, 1983 filed on this Bill. For that, I, particularly, apologize. I think it should have been. I thirk all cf you that... that are involved at all in local governments should take a long look at this... at this procedure that we're going to mandate... additicnal administrative costs that will not be miniscule in my judgment."

"The Chair recognizes the Gentleman frce Marion, Representative Friedrich."

"Would the Sponsor yield?"

"The Sponsor will yield."

"What about the case where some companies pay part of the premium and the empicyee pays the rest? The employer... the employee would pick up the whole tak? Is that..."

"Oh, yeah.. The employee pays it all."

"Ckay. What about the dependents?"

"Everything. The employee pays it..."

"Eut, he can continue sc the dependents tc..."

"Yeah, parden, yeah, well, what ever his policy was he can continue."

"All right. TC... tc the Fill. I to... think Representative Greiman has hit upon scmething here which certainly need some attention. And I point that out because now, if you're in a group plan, and develop SOME kind of a problem, and then get disconnected frce that group, it's almost impossible to get reinsured if you have... fcr a preexisting condition. And believe me that can be a really sericus matter. What it leaves ycu... it puts you in the position of being uninsurable and no place to go. Now I do wish that the Sponser would consider what Representative Firkinbine said and correct... ccrrect those obvious things which need to be ccrrected. I want to support his Bill, but I'm having a problem with that part. 34  STATE OF ILIINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REFFESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Lay May 4, 1983 I want... want something done in this area. I don't know what we do about that, unless, the Sponsor would be willing to take it back and make thcse corrections, which I think need to be made."

"Is there any further discussion? Is there any further di... discussion? There being DC further discussion, the Chair recognizes Representative Greiman tc close."

"Thank you, Speaker. With respect to the technical changes, I might tell ycu that in 1975, I passed, approximately, the identical Fill, cut of this House and cut of the Senate, and it was signed into law. Eut it had a two year... a two year effective time. That was the great depression cf 1975. And all the problems, the technical problems, that are being alleged here never came about. The... the... It's all there. There's nc great mystery as to how the notices get sent cut, the premiums get paid. If they don't get paid, they cancel the insurance. That's what it's abcut. It doesn't take a hundred employees to process one. It takes just a couple. Now, I thought to myself, Alan, I said, 'Alan', I said that cause that's my name. I said, 'Alan, why... why are the insurance companies so desperate about this Bill? Why are they running arcund?' And they WELE during Committee. They pulled out all the stops. Sc I said, "What would happen if there was a fat fifty year cld bald guy, whc worked for the State of Illincis.' A hypothetical person, who looked like me, with a few dependents. What would happen to that guy? Sc I had a chart made. Now, I had this little chart made, and it shows that I pay, me, I pay $67.00, no, $76.44. $76.44 and the state's share is $67.10."

"The Chair recognizes Representative Vinson. 35  STATE OF IIIINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEEBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEEATE 39th Legislative Day For what purpose do you rise?"

May 4, 1983 "NOW, Mr. Speaker. This is incredible. This is a clear viclation of the Rules. Are we going to have a dcg and pony show on every Bill in here, or are we just going to de it for the Members of Democratic leadership, who carry Bills? It's inappropriate. It's improper. He cught to be ruled cut cf order. You ought to personally rebuke him and tell him that he's wrong, and that he cught tc apclogize tc every Nember of this chamber." "Can you sight the Fule Fepresentative Vinson?"

"Robert's Rules cf Crder."

"Representative Greiman."

"Thank you. May I proceed? You know, I think this is serious. I think everybody in this room got a job, but I think there are some folks who don't. I'll just use it as a pony then, here. As I said, they pay for my policy of insurance, $143.00. Now, all the opponents say, 'Well, why don't you get a conversion policy? What the heck? We just have this conversion thing. Right?" A conversion policy for somebody my age, whc... who is fired from State Government, would be $331.00. Now, but that's not the same policy. My policy for the state has major medical... major medical. It has all kinds of things that all of you enjoy. The policy... the policy that I buy for $331.00, double... double...

"The Chair reccg...

"... that policy..." "

"Excuse me, Mr. Sponsor. The Chair reccgnizes the Gentleman from Champaign, Fepresentative Johnson."

"Yeab, I would ask the... just because of the precedent this is setting. I would ask the Chair to rule cn the applicability of Fule 44f) of our new House Rules of the 83rd General Assembly, to determine whether you think the 36  STATE CF IIIINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSELBIY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION LEEATE 39th Legislative Day Vinson: For what purpose do you rise?" May 4, 1983 "NOW, Mr. Speaker. This is incredible. This is a clear viclation of the Rules. Are we going to have a dcg ard pony show on every Bill in here, or are we just going to do it for the Members of Democratic leadership, whc carry Bills? It's inappropriate. It's isproper. Be cught to te ruled cut cf crder. You ought to personally rebuke him and tell him that he's wrong, and that he cught tc apclcgize to every Member of this chamber." cite

"Can you sight the Fule Fepresentative Vinson?"

"Robert's Rules of Crder."

"Representative Greiman."

"Thank you. May I proceed? You know, I think this is I serious. I think everybody in this rece get a job, but think there are some folks who don't. I'll just use it as a pony then, here. As I said, they pay for пу Fclicy of insurance, $143.00. Now, all the opponents say, "Well, why don't you get a conversion policy? What the heck? We just have this conversion thing. Right?" A conversion Eclicy for somebody my age, whc... whc is fired from State Government, would be $331.00. Now, but that's not the same policy. My policy for the state has major medical... major medical. It has all kinds of things that all of you enjcy. The policy... the policy that I buy for $331.00, double... double... "

"The Chair reccg... "

"... that clicy..."

"Excuse me, Mr. Sponsor. The Chair recognizes Johnson: the Gentleman fich Champaign, Fepresentative Johnson." "Yeah, I would ask the... just because of the precedent this is setting. I would ask the Chair tc rule cn the applicability cf Fule 4(f) of our new House Rules of the 3rd General Asseably, to determine whether you think the 36  STATE CE ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF FEPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION LEBATE 39th legislative Day May 4, 1983 symbolism of the... of the Sponsor of this Eill, might not be violative of that... of that Fule. If that's the case, then... then we're going tc have a 1ct of demonstrative evidence on both sides of the aisle in the next two months, that I don't think we can really a... afford Ford in terms cf time or space."

Speaker Greiman: "Rep... Representative Chairmar or Representative Jchnson, I believe the question is mute mu because the Sponsor has nct proceeded with that line of closing argument. Would the Gentleman proceed with his closing argument?"

"Thank you very much. I am rct using any frops, Mr. Johnson, cause I wouldn't want to offend anybody. Sc as I was saying, if I may continue, Sir. $143.00 is what the state and I pay today for my insurance. If I'm fired and I want to convert my... a policy to have minimal insurance coverage, not insurance ccverage like we have, not major medical, but minimal insurance coverage, I can pay double that amount. Eut no, maybe I don't want to convert it. I'll go out in the market. Somebody suggested that I could just go out on the market. Now that policy is only $244.00 but I've got to wait 270 days for anything that I had before, sc that that policy is... is three times as much, and that policy alsc does not provide ве with majci medical. I'm a person with... I have children, family. I want them nct to be bare bones. I want them nct to have... not to be without medical coverage. And I don't want to take my family to a... on welfare. And I don't want to take my kids to a... to a county hospital. I want to provide them with medical care that I can... that I want to pay for, and that's all this Bill does. It says, 'You people, who are unemployed; ycu pecple, who have lcst your job; you're still part of the action. You can still have 37  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day May 4, 1983 symbolism of the... of the Sponsor of this Bill, might not be violative of that... of that Rule. If that's the case, then... then we're going to have a lot of demonstrative evidence on both sides of the aisle in the next two months, that I don't think we can really a... afford in terms of time or space."

Speaker Greiman "Rep... Breslin Representative Chairman or Representative Johnson, I believe the question is mute because the Sponsor has not proceeded with that line of closing argument. Would the Gentleman proceed with his closing argument?"

"Thank you very much. I am not using any props, Mr. Johnson, cause I wouldn't want to offend anybody. So as I was saying, if I may continue, Sir. $143.00 is what the state and I pay today for my insurance. If I'm fired and I want to convert my... a policy to have minimal insurance coverage, not insurance coverage like we have, not major medical, but minimal insurance coverage, I can pay double that amount. But no, maybe I don't want to convert it. I'll go out in the market. Somebody suggested that I could just go out on the market. Now that policy is only $244.00 but I've got to wait 270 days for anything that I had before, so that that policy is... is three times as much, and that policy also does not provide me with major medical. I'm a person with... I have children, family. I want them not to be bare bones. I want them not to have... not to be without medical coverage. And I don't want to take my family to a... on welfare. And I don't want to take my kids to a... to a county hospital. I want to provide them with medical care that I can... that I want to pay for, and that's all this Bill does. It says, 'You people, who are unemployed; you people, who have lost your job; you're still part of the action. You can still have 37  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMELY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION TEEATE 39th legislative Day May 4, 1983 decent medical care for your family.' That's what this Bill's about. Obviously the insurance companies... this is a dangerous Bill for them. This is a Fill that says, 'You can't take us anymore. You can't cut our benefits in half and double the premium.' And that's what this Fill's about. Don't let them cut the benefits in half and double the premium."

"The question is, 'Shall House Bill 403 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed vote 'no'. Have all those voted who wish? Have all those voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. There being 77 'ayes', 37 'nos', no one voting 'present', this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 406. Representative Greiman. Clerk, read the Fill."

"House Bill 406, a Bill for an Act in relation to employee health care benefits. Third Reading of the Fill."

"Representative Greiman on House Bill 406."

"I have no demonstrative evidence on this Bill. I'm going to have to rely just on my... by wits, if you will, if any. Another problem, that comes up when you have recessions, depressions, and unemploy... and difficult times, is that lots of employers can't pay the premium on the insurance... medical insurance for their employees. And so, what's happening is that the employers are not paying... are not paying the premiums, and when that employee goes in for medical attention at the hospital, they check out to see that the employee... whether the employees' group policy is. They say, 'Sorry, that policy... that policy fail... was cancelled... lapsed for want of payment.' So that, we should have some device that kind of pushes employers. It awakes employees to know that they don't have coverage, or they may not have 38  STATE OF IIIINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEPATE 39th Legislative Day May 4, 1983 coverage. And it... it assumes that employees who are thus awakened will say, "Hey, Mr. Employer. You better pay the premium. Fecause, after all, small businesses are under as much fire as anybody else, during this current economic situation, and people tend to pay the loudest one whc yells... who squeaks. And in this case, nc che is yelling to pay the health costs. No one is yelling to pay the insurance premiums. So this Fill, merely, provides that when the employer is in... is in default, he'll pcst... he'll post a notice telling his employees that he is in default, that the company will send a little notice to the Department of Insurance. And the Department of Insurance may, but need not, but need not, see that the... that the notice is posted for the employees. And that's all this Bill does. It's just a pure notice Fill. It just tells employees that the employer is in default... and is in the payment of his medical Folicy. I ask for a favcrable vote."

"Is there any discussion? The Chair reccgnizes Representative Firkinbine."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I have nc problem with the Sponsor of the Fill on this concept. I think that emplcyees should, indeed, be alerted, if, indeed, a company, that has a group plan that is covering them, is somehow going to default on that plan. But the protlem lies in the thirty day aspect that is written into this Bill. In testimony before the Committee, the members of varicus insurance companies said as a pratical, day-to-day, real life situation, virtually every single one of their clients goes beyond the thirty day point, the grace period of thirty days. Virtually, every single cne, at least of companies of any size, goes beyond that point. So what this Bill, in effect, would dc, would 39  STATE OF IIIINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSENELY BCUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE 39th legislative Day May 4, 1983 be to have every month, an employer would have to put a notice on his company bulletin board saying, 'Once, again, our company has gone by the thirty day mark on paying cur health insurance premium, but as usual, we will pay it. In addition, if the insurance companies get activated with the Department of Insurance, this is going to be a boch, either to the U.S. mails, cr delivery services, cr the paper manufacturers, or whatever. The concept is, indeed, good, but the thirty day limit, as was testified in Committee, does not make sense, and I don't know why the Sponsor did not amend it to make some scrt of sense. I recommend that we not vote this Bill out until it's taken back and a ΠΟΙΕ reasonable time limit is put in. Thank you."

"The Chair recognizes the Gertleman from LuFage, Representative Hoffman. Representative Hoffman."

"Thank you, Madame Speaker. I would like to take this cpportunity to... opportunity to introduce a fcrmer Member of the House, a former Member of the Senate, and now Chairman of the DuPage County Ecard, Jack Knuepfer, immediately on my left, where he usually was, while he was in the legislature."

"Welcome, Sir. The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Madison, Representative Wolf."

"Thank you, Madame Speaker. Would the Sponsor yield to a question?"

"The Sponsor will yield."

"Representative Greiman, under Anerduert #1, a change was made to require that the Department of Insurance notify the employer of his obligation to notify employees, rather that requiring the Department of Insurance to notify the employees. After the Department of... after the Department cf Insurance notifies the emp... employer of his obligations, and then the employer still will not fulfill 40  STATE OF IIIINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION LEEATE 39th Legislative Day May 4, 1983 those obligations by notifying the employees, what type cf penalty is there in the Bill, tc penalize that emplcyer in some way?"

"Representative Greiman."

"A misdemeancr. It..."

"I didn't hear that."

"... after they go through that whcle process, Sam, it could be a Class B misdemeanor. The reasons for the change were, it was... the insurance companies suggested, and I certainly agreed, that the giving actice to every employee would be a massive kind of thing, and... and probably unnecessary. Sc it was just... we just try to get some kind of notice situation that would suppose that employees would hear abcut it. That' what..."

"Well, I would certainly agree that the Department cf Insurance shculd be relieved from that responsibility, but I... I would have also thought that there would be... would have been, possibly, a little bit ICIE cf a penalty, insofar as an employer is concerned, if after having been notified by the Department cf Insurance, he still didn't fulfill those obligations. Thank you very much."

"Thanks."

"The Chair recognizes the Gentleman from Lekitt, Vinson: Representative Vinson." "Thank you, Madame Speaker, Members of the House. I rise for purposes of an introduction. Sitting, in the chair next to Representative Davis, is a former Member of this House, a former Member of the leadership of this House, a man who has done very much to make this a fine legislature, former Representative Pete Feters. Will ycu stand Fete?"

"Welcome Pete. Welcome Fete. Is there any further discussion on House Eill 406? There teing no further discussion... excuse me. The Chair recognizes the 41  STATE OF ILIINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION LEBATE 39th Legislative Day Gentleman frce Cock, Representative Terzich. May 4, 1983

"Representative Greiman, cn this is there a... the insurance industry has tc notify the Department of Insurance, and then the Department of Insurance contacts the employer, and the employer has to contact the employees?"

"I... yeah, that's the basic thing, and the only thing that the... nobody else has any other obligations, and it's just by... by letters and that's what it provides."

"And the penalty would be for the erplcyer fcr not notifying the employees that he didn't pay his insurance premiums?"

"To notify them that, yes, that he didn't... that he has not paid it. If he doesn't post the appropriate notice, which by the way is similar to what we have in the Workers' Compensation Act, where you have to post notice of coverage under the Workers Comp Act. This is essentially the sare kind of notice."

"In other... in cther words, under Workerman's Comp, that if an employer didn't pay his Workman's Comp premium..."

"No, if he didn't post the appropriate notice, that's what we have ncw, and that's all this requires is just that you post a notice."

"What happens if the Departsert of Insurance doesn't notify the employer that they were nctified cf a late... late claim."

"Then he can't... then he won't be liable. It's one... it's a condition precedent. The notice prcvisices are conditions precedent."

"Isn't there some type of law that would reguire any employer that retains emplcyees' contribution liable fo fcr any type of claims that might be if he accepted money fcr 42  39th Legislative Day that purpose?" STATE OF ILIINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CREATE May 4, 1983

"That's... that's assuming that there's a contribution plan. Often there isn't. And the truth of the matter is that I don't... I don't care... take the State of Illincis for example... if... if somebody goes into the hospital and it's a $4,000.00 ticket, I don't want to have my... my premiums given back to me. I want tc have coverage. You know, a guy says, "Well, we didn't pay the premiums. Your insurance lasped. Here's the $462.00.' That's not what I want. I want to have coverage. And this is designed to encourage emplcyers to continue to keep employees covered. That's part of the... the guid pro quo, if you will, part of what we work for, part of what cur wages are, Sir."

"Soon as I know what, 'print quc (sic guid prc) guo', or whatever it's... A very goed Bill, Representative."

"Thank you. It's a Serbian... it's a Serbian word, nct Croatian."

"Is there any further discussion? There being no further discussion, the Chair recognizes Representative Greiman to close."

"I merely ask for a favorable icll Call on what I think is a reasonable Bill. Thank you."

"The question is, 'Shall House Bill 406 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye, all thcse opposed 'nay'. Have all those voted who wish? Have all those vcted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. There being 75 'ayes', 34 'nos, 6 voting 'present'. This Eill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 408. Representative Mautino. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 408, a Bill fcr an Act tc amend Sections of the School Code. Third Feading of the Fill."

"Representative Mautino." 43  STATE OF JILINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HCUSE OF REFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEFATE May 4, 1983 39th legislative Day

"Thank you much... very much, Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, House Bill 408 was introduced to address a question, whereby, an educator within a schocl system is elected to the ccunty bcard in that specific county. What this legislation does is allow that educator to attend the regu... the che regularly scheduled county board meeting where all business is completed, the bills are paid, and the resclutions adopted, while not losing bis time at school. And the school then may deduct frce the salary at school, the amount that the individual received from the county board, as a per dien. That is, basically, what the Bill does. I think it effects atcut ten pecple in this state, but they happen to be educators who were elected in the pri... in the public sector, and I kelieve they should have the opportunity to serve."

"Is there any discussion? Is there any discussion? There being EC further discussion, the question is, 'Shall House Fill 408 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed 'nay'. Have all those voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. This Bill's received 94 'ayes', 16 'nays', 2 voting 'present'. This Fill, having received... Representative Davis asks to be recorded as voting 'aye'. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 409. Representative McGann. Clerk, call the Fill."

"House Pill 409, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illincis Fension Ccde. Third Reading of the Fill."

"Representative McGann."

"Thank you, Madame Speaker, Members of the House. This House Bill 409 is going to wrap up the package in helping the Chicago firemen. It will repair scme of the inequities 44  39th Legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 4, 1983 that go on presently with the City firemen versus Downstate firemen. This Bill will bring again, once again, tempting to bring in line the same benefits that are given to Downstate firefighters. The basis of the Bill decreases the firemen's occupational disease, disability benefit, in cities of 500,000 or more population, from 50% of the fireman's salary, at the time of his removal from the payroll, to 65% of that amount. Under the Chicago Fire Pension Fund, firefighters unable to perform their duties by reason of heart dis... disease, tuberculosis, or any lung disease, resulting from service as a firefighter, are entitled to receive an occupational disease disability in the amount of 50% of the firefighter's salary. I will just add that anyone that has ever witnessed some of their fires in the City of Chicago, and the exposure that our firemen... are put to, would certainly want to vote 'aye' for this Bill. I would ask the same cooperation, this Bill I had in House Bill 387, because we are bringing in line what the Downstate firemen have along with the Chicago Fire Department. Thank you, Madam, Chairman. And I ask for an 'aye'."

"The Chair recognizes the Lady from Cook, Representative Fraun."

"Thank you. A question for the Speak... for the Sponsor."

"The Gentlemen will yield."

"Mr. McGann, Representative McGann, how much will this Bill cost?"

"The estimate, we have received, that will cost approximately 725,000 annually. As for all of the number of firemen that could possibly... it's only an estimate, because we don't know how many firemen will be going on disability in any given year."

"Thank you." 45  39th legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEBATE May 4, 1983

"Is there any further discussion? Is there any further discussion? There being nc further discussion, Representative McGann to close."

"Thank you, Madam, Speaker. Once again, I ask cooperation from both sides of the aisle. And please, give an aye vote for the Chicago Fire Department. Thank you."

"The question is, 'Shall House Fill 409 pass?' All those in favor vote 'aye', all those crocsed 'nay". Have all those vated who wish? Have all voted who wish. The Clerk will take the record. This Fill, having received 68 'ayes', 37 'nos', 6 voting 'present'. This Eill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Fill 412, Representative Ferrics. Mr. Clerk, call the Fill. Read the Fill."

"House Pill 412, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Juvenile Court Act. Third Reading of the Eill."

"Representative Eerrics."

"What this Bill does, is add one mcre cffense word, juvenile 15 years of age and over can be tried as an adult. It's with aggravated battery ccrmitted with a firearm. Last year alone, there were a 128 such cases where gang members committed this crime, gave the gun to a winor and received little cr no punishment.. It's time WE sent a message to the good kids of the City of Chicagc and cther areas, to tell them we are going to frctect them. And I would ask for a 'yes' vote on this."

"IS there any discussion? Is there any discussion? There being nc discussion, the question is, 'Shall House Pill 412 pass?' All those in faver vote 'aye', all those opposed 'nay'. Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. There are 99 ayes', S voting 'no', 2 vcting 'present'. This Fill, having received the Constitutional Majcrity... Representative 46  39th legislative Day STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 4, 1983 McAuliffe, requests leave to vote 'aye'. This vote having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. House Bill 417, Representative Richmond. Clerk, read the Bill."

"House Bill 417, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Law Enforcement Officers, Civil Defense Workers, Civil Air Patrol Members, Paramedics and Fire Compensation Act. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Richmond."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, House Bill 417 amends the Law Enforcement Officers, Civil Defense Workers, Civil Air Patrol Members, Paramedics and Firemen Compensation Act, and all it does is increase the death benefit payable under the Act from $20,500 to $50,000. Under the current law, if a law enforcement officer, or civil defense worker, or civil air patrol member, paramedic or firemen employed by the state or a local governmental unit is killed in the line of duty, then the survivors are entitled to receive compensation in the amount of $20,000 from the state. The survivors must submit an application to the Court of Claims, and the Attorney General then must investigate and report on the claim. The Court of Claims estimates that they have an average of 15 such claims each year. What this Bill would do would be to add $30,000 to the death benefits of someone who, in their line of duty which is very dangerous line of work, the claim would be increased by $30,000. I would be glad to answer any questions."

"The Chair recognizes the Gentlemen from Cock, Representative Cullerton."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Will the Gentlemen yield?"

"The Gentlemen will yield."

"With respect to your Amendment, I believe 47  STATE OF ILIINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION CEFATE 39th legislative Day May 4, 1983 Representative Richmond's Arendment #1, you expand the definition of law enforcement officer. Is that correct?"

"The Amendment #1 expanded the coverage or the scope of the Bill tc include all Department of Corrections employees, who have daily contact with inmates. The reason being, of course, is there has been SODE instances that were... this was needed, and was not available. The need was tragically demonstrated by the recent murders of focd service supervisor, Freda King, at Fontiac, and agricultural lead worker, Joe Cushman, at Menard, and that's the reason for expanded. It only go... includes those people who are in daily contact with the criminals."

"Well, would that include people that work in the kitchen, and people who works in the laundry, and the librarians, and the chaplains. These people now being entitled to these death benefits?"

"They would be entitled to it, if they are in daily contact with the prisoners, yes. In fact, that's the reason for it. This che lady worked in the kitcher, and she was killed by an inmate."

"Now, do these people right now, are they covered by Workers' Compensation?"

"I... am not sure."

"Well, they are employees of the State, and they are covered by Workers' Compensation, correct?"

"They are employees of the State. Yes."

"And they would, they would receive certain benefits under Workers Comp. right now?"

"I suppose they would receive the sare benefits as a policeman, or anyone else, who is presently covered by the Act that I'm trying to improve ufcn."

"What is the estimate of the cost tc the State, if this Fill passes?" 48  STATE OF IILINGIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th legislative Day

"The Court May 4, 1983 of Claims estimates that they receive an average of 15 cases per year."

"Sc, how much would it cost?"

"A quarter to $50,000 if that were the case."

"Thank you."

"The Chair recognizes the Gentlemen frce Ferry, Representative Dunn. Representative Dunn, please. Could you move to another microphone, Fepresentative, please? Representative Dunn recognized at Representative Davis's microphone."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. He's certainly willing tc dc it, but before that, may I interrupt this important debate, its rare that I do it, to introduce the Central Junior High School from Zion, Illincis? 82 students up in the left gallery, chaperoned by Jim Taylor, fichard Johnson, Jerry Zeppel, Iou Lcuis, Kathy Miller, represented by Representative Churchill."

"Welcome. And now, Representative Dunn."

"Thank you, I WE Madam Speaker. was afraid that my distinguish Mincrity leader was going to talk against my Bill, when he got the mic. But, I would urge an 'aye' vote en House Bill 417. This is a thing that are very concerned about, the dangercus nature of the Department of Corrections jobs. We had a farm worker down at Menard killed last year, or this past year why he was on duty. His family got $20,000. That would be the commersation that's paid by the State. This would raise that on the case of death of any employees cf the Department Corrections in their line of duty, if they come in daily contacts with prisoners. It would raise the benefits $50,000. As Representative Richmond said, this would amount to if there are 15 people killed in such a dangerous duty during the next year, it would ancunt to an increase of tc 49  STATE OF IIIINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEFATE 39th legislative Day of about $450,000, $30,000 more for each employee. May 4, 1983 It's been, if I recall right, about 9 years since we've raised this. This barely, I guess, keeps up with the cost of inflation. I would urge an 'aye' vcte on House Bill 417. Thank you."

"The Gentlemen from raccupin, Fepresentative Hannig."

"Yes. Thank you, er. Chairman... Madam Chairman and Members of the House. I tco, rise in support of this piece of legislation. Working in a Correcticnal Institute is not the most glamcrcus way to make a living. NC cne makes TV shows about this jcb. No one writes books about it. NC cne makes any movies about it. Yet, it's one of the most important jobs that we who try to raise families in this society could have. Eecause it's these people who are the first line of defense that put their life between US and SOME of these hardened criminals, who would be cut on the street, except for the fact, that they are in prison. NOW this is really a small amount of acney to pay to a family cf someone who has lost a father cr husband in a line cf duty. And it's certainly not unreasonable. I believe that it's a fair and equitable affrcach. I wish that we had the money in this State to offer these families more money, but I do think that this certainly is well deserved. It's a fine piece of legislation. And I'd ask for ycur 'yes' vote."

"Representative Ewing from livingston."

"Madam Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, a few short years ago, we had ar incident at the Fontiac Correctional Institution, which claimed three lives. I certainly know of some of the trauma and of the grief, that these families have experienced. I think this is good legislation. I think it's deserved. Fecently, a group of 50  STATE OF IIIINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REFRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th legislative Day Pontiac leaders May 4, 1983 went through the Fontiac Correctional Institution. And I think that, their comments in regard to the jcb which Correctional Officers face each day make it very evident that they don't understand, and the general citizen doesn't understand the magnitude of the jch which our Correctional Officers have to dc, and the conditions under which they have to operate. This is good legislation. I would ask an 'aye' vote."

"Is there any further discussion? There being no further discussion. Excused 盛会. The Gentlemen frC Eclean, Representative Ropp."

"Yeah. Madam Speaker, will the Sponsor yield?"

"The Gentlemen will yield."

"It was either last year, cr year befcre, we had three state employees, who were killed at the Pontiac, rict? Is that what you just mentioned? And it was proven that пс one murdered them? How does this Fill be affected by that particular situation?"

"I'm sorry, you were lccking at Representative Ewing, and not talking into your mic. I couldn't hear it."

"I said those three state employees, that were eventually killed, and under the courts, determined that know cne murdered them, dces this Fill affects that particular situation?"

"The Attorney General has to investigate the claims under the present statute. All we're doing is increasing the amount that would be available to the survivcrs. If he now... if the Attorney General ncw would declare that to be eligible under the present statute, certainly would be if this Bill passes."

"The Chair reccgnizes Representative Ewing for a specific response."

"Madam Speaker, unfcrtunately, the jury in... that heard 51  STATE OF ILLINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEFATE 39th legislative Day the case, said that those charged did nct murder. Nobody ever said they weren't murdered. that the assailants were unknowned. And no one was ever convicted cf it." May 4, 1983 commit the

It's just Breslin: "There being nc further discussion. Representative Richmond tc close."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. I think the issue has been pretty well discussed. And I think we all know that if ycu are very well acquainted with their correction system, that none of these people are getting rich with their salary structure. I think this is a very small thing that we could do for them that would be very meaningful. I urge an 'aye' vote."

"The question is, 'Will Ecuse Fill 417 pass?" All those in favor vote 'aye', all those opposed 'nay'. Have all those voted who wish? Have all those vcted whc wish? The Clerk will take the record. There are 109, 110 'ayes', 3 voting 'nc', no voting 'present'. This Fill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. It is the Chair's intention now to ge the Order of Motions. Representative Farley is recognized for the purposes of a Motion. Is Representative Farley in the chamber? Representative Farley." to

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. I would move to suspend the posting rules to have House Bill 535 posted for Friday morning. Inadvertently, it was left off, and this is Representative Bopp's Bill. We talked about...and I would like to suspend the appropriate rule tc have that pcsted."

"And I understand this has been cleared with the Republican Spokesman..."

"Well, I'm accommodating Representative Ropp. If cne his party wants to object, let him." of

"Ices the Gentlemen have leave? Leave being 52  STATE OF IIIINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEFATE 39th Legislative Day May 4, 1983 granted. The Chair recognizes Representative Kulas for a Motion."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. I like to move to suspend the appropriate rules sc House Bill 1712 can be heard in Revenue Committee tomorro6."

"Representative, has this Motion been approved by the other side of the aisle?"

"I... I believe sc, I haven't seen the Minority Spokesman. This was done... We had scme prcblems with this Bill yesterday. I think they've been taken care cf."

"Representative will take this cut of the record for a moment, ckay? NOW, the Chair recognizes Representative Jaffe for the purposes cf a Moticn."

"Yes. Madam Speaker, we have House Fill 1862, which was inadvertently posted for the 8:15 a.m. meeting, when it should have been posted for the 8:30 a... meeting. Sc, we would ask leave to have 1862 transferred from the 8:15 posting to the 8:30 posting, and ask the Clerk tc dc so."

"Does the Gentlemen have leave? Nc cbjections being heard, the Gentlemen has leave. The Chair reccgnizes Representative Tayler for purposes of a Mction."

"Thank you, Madam, Speaker. I mcve to suspend the appropriate rule in crder to have House Bill 471, 472, 1203, and 1812 posted in the Election Committee for Friday morning at 8:00 a.."

"Does the Gentlemen have leave? There being nc objections, the Gentlemen has leave. The Chair recognizes Representative Pierce for the purposes of a Motion."

"Eeing the Chief Sponsor of House Eill 51, I move that be, ask for leave that be placed cn the Interir Study Calendar of the Fublic Utilities Committee. House Pill 51."

"Does the Gentlemen have leave? There being nc 53  SIATE OF IIIINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEВАТЕ 39th legislative Day May 4, 1983 objections, the Gentlemen has leave. The Chair recognizes Representative Kulas for the purposes of a Motion."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. I've cleared the problem with the Mincrity Stckesman on the Revenue Committee. And I ask leave to suspend the appropriate rules so House Eill 1712 can be heard in Revenue,"

"Does the Gentlemen have leave? There being nc objections, the Gentlemen has leave. The Chairman recognizes Representative Mautino fcr the purposes of Motion."

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. As the Chief Sponsor of House Bill 707, currently in the labor and Commerce Committee, I would ask that that legislation be placed on the Interim Study Calendar."

"Does the Gentlemen have leave? There being nc objections, the Gentlemen has leave. The Chair recognizes Representative Icyle. For what purpose do you arise, Sir?"

"The other day I had asked fcr a Bill to be put on Interio Study, Bill 1626 in Exec. for lack of information at that time. Since that time, the information has been made available. It is listed on the Bills in Exec. And I would like it to be placed on the agenda for toucIrcw at 2:00 o'clock. It is already on the agenda. The..."

"And that's House Eill 16262"

"1626, in cther words, to remove frce Interim and put back cn."

"Does the Gentlemen have leave? Fepresentative Vinson, is reccgnized."

"Has this been cleared with the Minority Spokesman?"

"Representative, has this keen cleared with the Minority Spokesman?"

"No it's not, it's been posted though, it has been posted. It has been posted for sometime, Representative." 54  STATE CF ILIINCIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION ΓΕΡΑΤΕ 39th Legislative Day

May 4, 1983 "Could we take this out cf the record for a moment, and perhaps you can talk to the Mincrity Spckesman right now?"

"Alright, fine."

"The Chair recognizes the Representative from DuFage, Representative Hoffman. For what purpose do you arise?"

"Thank you, Madam Chairman. I arise for the purpose of tabling House Bill 2200, to which I am the Spcnscr."

"Does the Gentlenen have leave? There being nc objections, the Gentlemen has leave. The Chair recognizes the Lady from Dufage, Representative Nelson, fcr what purpose do you arise?"

"For the purpose of a Motion, Madam Speaker."

"Okay. State ycur Motion."

"Thank ycu. I would like to ask leave of the Bcdy tc place in Interim Study House Bill 998, and House Fill 2050, both of which are in Elementary and Secondary Education. And alsc, House Bill 1569, which is posted to the Judiciary Committee."

"That's House Bills 998, 205, and 1569."

"Excused me, the second Pill is 2050.

"2050. Does the lady have leave? There being no objections. Excused me, Fepresentative Johnson is recognized on this Motion."

"I don't... are these to be posted in Judiciary? Did you say? Oh, in Interim Study, I'm sorry. Nc, I... that's fine."

"Ckay. Loes the Lady have leave to put these Bills on Interio Study? There being nc chjections, the Lady has leave. The Chait reccgrizes Representative Fowman, for what purpose do you arise?"

"An announcement, Madam Chair." 55  STATE OF IIIINGIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HODSE OF BEERESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE May 4, 1983 39th legislative Day

"State your announcement."

"I just would like to remind the Democratic Members the Appropriations II Committee, that we're having a brief meeting in my office this evening at 6 p.m., to go over the Mental Health Fudget, which will te heard in Committee tomorrow. And I would alsc like to remind all Members cf the Committee that the meeting will beginning at 9 a. W. That's 9 a.m. tomorrow."

"The Chair recognizes the Lady from St. Clair, Representative Younge, for what purpose dc ycu arise?"

"Thank you, Madam and Speaker. I'm the principal Sponsor of House Bill 2210 to be heard in later and Ccomerce this afternoon at 2:00 c'clock. And I would like to put that in Interim Study."

"Does the lady have leave to put House Bill 2210 in Interim Study? There being no chjections, the Lady has leave. The Chair recognizes the Gentlemen from Cook, Representative Shaw. For what purpose do ycu arise?"

"Yeah. Madam Chairman, I ask leave for the posting of Bills 2038, and 2168 in the Judiciary Committee. And we have worked it out with the finority Spokesman."

"You have contacted the Mincrity Spokesman on House Bills 2038, and 2168. Does the Gentlemen have leave? There being no objections, the Gentlemen has leave. Are there any cther Motions, or announcements? Fepresentative Mulcahey, for what purpose do you arise?"

"Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, Members cf the House, the Elementary and Secondary Education Committee, which is in recess at this moment, will reconvene tomorroW afternoon at 2:00 c'clock in the usual place."

"Thank ycu. The Chair recognizes the Gentlemen from Madison, Representative Wolf. For what purpose do you 56  STATE OF IIIINCIS 83RI GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION LEEATE 39th Legislative Day arise?" May 4, 1983

"Thank you, Madam Speaker, for purposes of an arncuncement. There'll be a meeting cf the Fersonnel and Pensions Committee at 4:00 c'clock, in room C-1 in the Strattcn Euilding."

"The Chair..."

"Excused me. I would appreciate it, if the Sponsors would be prompt. We have many Fills. We're going to try to get them all out, and try to avcid a recess meeting tomcrICH."

"Are there any further anncuncements or Mctions? In that case, the Chair recognizes Representative McPike, for purposes of a Ection."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I move that the House stand adjourned until tomorrow at the hour cf 12 noon, allowing the Clerk 5 minutes for Perfunctory Session."

"All those in favor say 'aye', all those opposed 'no', the 'ayes' have it. The rotion carries. We are adjourned until 12 noon to crrow."

"Committee Reports. Bepresentative Jesse White, Chairman from the Committee on Human Services, to which the following Bills were referred, action taken May 3, 1983 and reported the same back with the following reccomendations: 'Do pass' House Bills 1695, 1760, 1761, 1873, 2166 and 2184. 'Do pass as amended House Bills 670, 942, 1516 and 1547. 'Do pass Short Debate Calendar' House Fills 1505, 1509, 1886, 2115 and 2178. 'Dc pass as amended Short Debate Calendar' House Bills 1490, 1502, 1857, 1922 and 2201. 'Do pass Consent Calendar' House Fills 1462, 1498, 2008, 2059 and 2212. 'Do pass as amended Consent Calendar' House Pills 1037, 2058 and 2070. 'Tabled in Committee by Rule 26 (d)' House Bills 618 ard 1198. 'Interim Study Calendar' House Bills 1726 and 1600. Representative Christensen, Chairman from the Select Committee on Aging, 57  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 39th Legislative Day to which the following Bills were referred, action taken May 4, 1983 May 4, 1983 and reported the same back with the following recommendations: 'Do pass Short Debate Calendar' House Bill 2135. 'Interim Study Calendar' House Bill 1185. Introduction and First Reading. House Bill 2291, John Dunn, a Bill for an Act to add Sections to Sanitary District Act. First Reading of the Bill. Being no further business, the House will now stand adjourned till tomorrow, May 5, at 12:00 c'clock noon." 58  08/01/83 09:40 STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES DAILY TRANSCRIPTION OF DEBATE INDEX PAGE 1 MAY 04, 1983 HB-0051 OTHER PAGE 53 HB-0366 THIRD READING PAGE 9 HB-0369 THIRD READING PAGE 10 HB-0377 THIRD READING PAGE 13 HB-0379 THIRD READING PAGE 14 HB-0380 THIRD READING PAGE 15 HB-0381 THIRD READING PAGE 15 HB-0387 THIRD READING PAGE 19 HB-0398 THIRD READING PAGE 22 HB-0401 THIRD READING PAGE 24 HB-0403 THIRD READING PAGE 25 HB-0406 THIRD READING PAGE 38 HB-0408 THIRD READING PAGE 43 HB-0409 THIRD READING PAGE 44 HB-0412 THIRD READING PAGE 46 HB-0417 THIRD READING PAGE 47 HB-0707 OTHER PAGE 54 HB-0998 OTHER PAGE 55 HB-1207 OTHER PAGE 3 HB-1217 OTHER PAGE 6 HB-1220 OTHER PAGE 6 HB-1569 OTHER PAGE 55 HB-1601 OTHER PAGE 6 HB-1645 OTHER PAGE 5 HB-1646 OTHER PAGE 5 HB-1647 OTHER PAGE 5 HB-1671 OTHER PAGE 3 HB-1672 OTHER PAGE 3 HB-1710 OTHER PAGE 5 HB-1770 OTHER PAGE 6 HB-1771 OTHER PAGE 6 HB-1975 OTHER PAGE 4 HB-2050 OTHER PAGE 55 HB-2076 OTHER PAGE 5 HB-2077 OTHER PAGE 5 HB-2090 OTHER PAGE 6 HB-2121 OTHER PAGE 5 HB-2122 OTHER PAGE 5 HB-2125 OTHER PAGE 4 HB-2151 OTHER PAGE 4 HB-2200 TABLED PAGE 55 HB-2210 OTHER PAGE 56 HB-2228 OTHER PAGE 6 HB-2291 FIRST READING PAGE 58 SUBJECT MATTER HOUSE TO ORDER - SPEAKER MADIGAN PAGE 1 PRAYER - REVEREND R. MARK BIDDLE PAGE 1 PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE PAGE 2 ROLL CALL FOR ATTENDANCE PAGE 2 COMMITTEE REPORTS PAGE 7 REPRESENTATIVE BRESLIN IN CHAIR PAGE 8 ADJOURNMENT PAGE 57 PERFUNCTORY SESSION PAGE 57 COMMITTEE REPORTS PAGE 57 PERFUNCTORY SESSION - ADJOURNMENT PAGE 58