Illinois House Floor Debate — June 15, 1983

"The House will come to order. The House will come to order. The Members will be in their seats. The Chaplain for today will be Reverend James Holiman, Pastor, Illinois Disciples Foundation of Champaign, Illinois. Reverend Holiman is a guest of Representative Helen Satterthwaite. Will the guests in the balcony please rise to join us in the invocation?"

"Mighty God, who holds powers and principalities to account for their governance of the affairs of state and the social order, guide, we pray You, this House of Representatives. We know that it is from You that women and men learn justice, mercy and love. Give each Legislator a mind that is fair and impartial. Free them to judge and to decide with wisdom and with equity, so that each and every individual within this beloved Land of Lincoln has the opportunity to fulfill his or her potentiality. Searcher of hearts, inform each conscience by Your presence, so that nothing may ever divert the course of this government from the pursuit of liberty and justice for all. Grant that the Members of this honored chamber may never be influenced either by the fear or the favor of the special interests among us. Strength and Sustainer, help them in their struggles to discern the signs of these times when justice is mightier than the sword, when mercy is wiser than custom, and when love is greater than law. Oh, Dancing Fire and Cooling Breeze, guide and bless them now in their disputations and debates, so that the common good and friendship prevail, blessing this House and all whom it represents. Nourish these Representatives by Your own steadfast faith that they are not only experts at legislation, but wise counselors to all Your people who come seeking their help and advice. Hear 1  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 this prayer, Oh God. Amen."

"We will be led in the Pledge of Allegiance by Representative Vitek."

"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

"Roll Call for Attendance. 115 Members answering the Roll Call. A quorum is present. Representative Greiman, on excused absences."

"Mr. Speaker, there are no excused absences today on the Democratic side."

"Thank you. Does anyone know if there are any excused absences on the Republican side? We will... We will hold on that. Representative Cullerton."

"I believe that my 'present' switch does not work."

"Would the electrician check his 'present' switch and see that Representative Cullerton is on the Roll Call? Page 28 of the Calendar. Consent Calendar, Second Reading, Second Day. Read the Bills, Mr. Clerk."

"Consent Calendar, Second Reading, Second Day. Senate Bill 11, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act creating the Illinois National Guard Study Commission. Second Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 186, a Bill for an Act to provide for casual defects or failures in revenues, together with Committee Amendment #1. Second Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 435, a Bill for an Act to amend the Crime Victims Compensation Act, together with Committee Amendment #1. Second Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 551, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Vehicle Retail Installment Sales Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 597, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 598, a Bill for an 2  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 Act to amend the Code of Criminal Procedure. Second Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 703, a Bill for an Act to amend the Principal and Income Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 809, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Vehicle Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 899, a Bill for an Act to amend the Code of Civil Procedures. Second Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 907, a Bill for an Act to amend the Unified Code of Corrections. Second Reading of the Bill. Correction, that's Senate Bill 906, a Bill for an Act to amend the Unified Code of Corrections. Second Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 937, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Vehicle Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 1008, a Bill for an Act creating the Illinois Network for Opportunity Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 1028, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Architectural Engineering Intern Program... Internship Program, together with Committee Amendment #1. Second Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 1067, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Public Aid Code, together with Committee Amendment #1. Second Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 1095, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Vehicle Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 1098, a Bill for an Act to amend the Probate Act, together with Committee Amendment #1. Second Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 1121, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act concerning motor vehicles. Second Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 1123, a Bill for an Act concerning federal block grants, together with Committee Amendment #1. Second Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 1143, a Bill for an Act to amend the State's Attorneys Appellate Service Commission Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 1157, a Bill for an Act to amend the Code of Civil Procedure. Second Reading of the Bill. 3  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 Senate Bill 1307, a Bill for an Act to amend the Election Code. Second Reading of the Bill. And Senate Bill 1334, a Bill for an Act to amend the Revenue Act. Second Reading of the Bill."

"Third Reading. Committee Report."

"Representative Leverenz, Chairman of the Committee on Appropriations I, to which the following Bills were referred, action taken June 14, 1983, reported the same back with the following recommendations: 'do pass' Senate Bill 481. 'Do pass as amended' Senate Bills 301, 376, 385, 374, 387, 378, 384 and 498."

"Message from the Senate."

"A Message from the Senate by Mr. Wright, Secretary. 'Mr. Speaker, I am directed to inform the House of Representatives the Senate has adopted the attached First Conference Committee Report to Senate Bill 328, adopted by the Senate June 14, 1983, Kenneth Wright, Secretary.'"

"At the request of the Minority Leader, Representative Daniels, the House will stand in recess for one half hour. We will reconvene at the hour of 1:00 p.m. The House will come to order. On page 10 of the Calendar, Senate Bills, Second Reading, Short Debate Calendar. The Chair would again encourage Members to call their Bills when we get there. Senate Bill 16, Representative White or Representative Churchill. Out of the record. Senate Bill 26, Representative O'Connell. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 26, a Bill for an Act to amend sections of the Agent Orange Study Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?" 4  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Senate Bill 41, Representative O'Connell. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 41, a Bill for an Act to amend sections of an Act to revise the law in relation to criminal... criminal jurisprudence. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #1, Cullerton, amends Senate Bill..."

"Representative Cullerton, Amendment #1. Representative Piel, for what reason do you rise?"

"Question of the Clerk. Has this Amendment been distributed? We don't have it over here."

"No, it has not. It's... Representative O'Connell, this is your Bill, Sir. What is your desire?"

"I will accept the Amendment, if it's..."

"The Amendment has not been printed and distributed."

"May we hold the... if we go to Third Reading, I'll bring it back to second if... with the leave of the Chair. Or, I'll hold it, if you want."

"Out of the record. Senate Bill 63, Representative White. Representative Jesse White. Out of the record. Senate Bill 70, Representative McMaster. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk. No, out of the record. Representative McMaster."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am concerned about this Bill. I have possibly an Amendment to go on, to satisfy Representative John Dunn. What I would like to do is guarantee to move it back to Second when we get the satisfactory Amendment. Could we move it to Third now, and then bring it back?" 5  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983

"That's your pleasure, Sir."

"I would say move it to Third, and then I will bring it back."

"Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 70, a Bill for an Act making uniform the penalties for removing or vandalizing traffic control signs or devices. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #1, Cullerton, amends Senate Bill 70..."

"Representative Cullerton, Amendment #1."

"Yes..."

"Mr. Speaker, we are going to table that Amendment, John, and put on another one. That's why I feel that we have problems. The Amendment is not satisfactory at this time, as I understand it, to Representative John Dunn."

"Representative Cullerton, on the Amendment."

"Well, it's my understanding that the Amendment's not printed, so I would ask that we take it out of the record, and I'll talk to the Representative about his second Amendment - subsequent Amendment."

"Representative McMaster, this is not printed. What is your desire?"

"Well, if it's satisfactory with your Leadership, Mr. Speaker, I would move it to Third and guarantee to bring it back. I think we would be more likely to get to it again. I don't want to hang the Bill out where we can't get to it again."

"Representative Cullerton."

"Well, I'm not in Leadership, but we don't even let our own Members do that, so I think we'll definitely get to it - it's a low enough number. I just want to..." 6  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983

"Alright. Take it out of the record."

"Out of the record. Senate Bill 84, Representative Brummer. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 84, a Bill for an Act to amend sections of the Revenue Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #1, Brummer, amends Senate Bill 84 on page two and line 10, by deleting 'property' and inserting in lieu thereof."

"Representative Brummer, Amendment #1."

"Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. Senate Bill 84 provides that the... in determining the multiplier, there be a weighing by various classes of property, so that the multiplier more accurately reflect the true percentage of assessed valuation to fair market value. This... This proposal is one of the Illinois Taxpayers' Federation. This Amendment addresses a concern that the Department of Revenue had with regard to this entire issue, and it reduces the necessity for the Department of Revenue to utilize the weighing factors if there are insufficient property sales in a given class in any given county. Then, no weighing would occur. This Amendment has been cleared by the staff and Committee members. As there are Leaders on both sides of the aisle, and I don't think there's any controversy, and I would ask for the adoption of Amendment #1."

"The Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment #1. On that, the Gentleman from DeWitt, Representative Vinson."

"Yes, Representative, I don't know that I have any particular problem with the Amendment, but in regard to the Amendment, the language in the Amendment is really pretty 7  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 general language, and I wonder if you might tell us what a... an insufficient number of sales in a given county would be, or if you might explain to us, in some form, how the Amendment would be - if the Bill became law - would be operated by the Department."

"I think, Representative Vinson, that the Amendment was drafted by Dale Young with the Illinois Department of Revenue. I'm not certain of that, and obviously, the determination as to whether or not there were sufficient sales to provide for the weighing, would be up to the Department. They're the ones that administer that. They're... They would be the ones making the determination if there were sufficient sales to... to invoke the weighing process."

"Is... Would it be a litigable matter? In other words, would a taxpayer who was disadvantaged by their determination in this be able to litigate that in Circuit Court?"

"Well, I think the processes of the Illinois Department of Revenue are subject to the Administrative Review Act, or the Administrative Procedures Act, rather, and there's always a potential, with regard to any decision that the Department of Revenue makes, that someone may challenge it through the... through the processes of the Administrative Procedures Act, of course."

"I have no further questions."

"There being no further discussion, the question is 'Shall Amendment #1 be adopted?' All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it, the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments."

"No further Amendments."

"The Gentleman asks leave for Senate Bill 84 to remain on the Order of Short Debate. Hearing no 8  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 objections, leave is granted. Senate Bill 84, Third Reading, Short Debate. Senate Bill 86, Representative Churchill. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 86, a Bill for an Act to amend the Sanitary District Act of 1936. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #1, Churchill, amends Senate Bill 86 by deleting everything after the enacting clause, and so forth."

"Representative Churchill, Amendment #1."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I would move to withdraw Amendment #1."

"Amendment #1 is withdrawn. Further Amendments."

"Floor Amendment #2, Churchill, amends..."

"Representative Churchill, on Amendment #2."

"Again, Mr. Speaker, I would ask leave to withdraw Amendment #2."

"The Gentleman withdraws Amendment #2. Further Amendments."

"Floor Amendment #3, Churchill, amends Senate Bill 86 by..."

"Representative Churchill, Amendment #3."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Amendment #3 to Bill 86 provides some cleanup work for the first two Amendments in the original Bill as proposed. It provides that any petition under the Bill contain an estimate of the cost of purchase or construction of the waterworks and an accurate description of the territory to be covered, and it provides for the payment of the revenue bonds provided for in the Bill. I would move for its adoption."

"The Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment #3. Is there any discussion? Being none, the 9  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 question is 'Shall Amendment #3 be adopted?' All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment's adopted. Further Amendments."

"No further Amendments."

"The Gentleman asks leave for Senate Bill 86 to remain on the Order of Short Debate. Are there any objections? Hearing none, leave is granted. Senate Bill 86, Third Reading, Short Debate. Senate Bill 128, Representative Preston. Out of the record. Senate Bill 135, Representative Terzich. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 135, a Bill for an Act to amend sections of the Illinois Highway Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #1, Ronan."

"Representative Ronan, on Amendment #1."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. Amendment #1 is a good idea. What it does, it establishes that any road projects that occur here in the State of Illinois that involve Motor Fuel Tax funds must be bid on a competitive bid basis, if they involve expenditures over 50,000. I move for the adoption."

"The Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment #1. On that, the Gentleman from DeWitt, Representative Vinson."

"Yes, will the Gentleman yield for a question?"

"He will."

"Representative Ronan, as I understand this, it would restrict the amount of emergency construction that a... a township could do?"

"It... It would have no effect on emergency construction."

"Would you explain it again, then, for me, please?"

"What the Amendment calls for is that any... any road 10  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 project involved here in the State of Illinois that deals with Motor Fuel Tax money over the amount of $50,000 must be bid competitively."

"Okay. What's the current law?"

"It's not clear. That's why I put in the Amendment."

"Okay. Could... Could the Department currently do... do such a project with its own personnel?"

"Mr. Vinson, this only affects local governments."

"Well, could local governments currently do such projects with their own personnel?"

"Yeh, con... conceivably, but a $50,000 project is a fair... fairly extensive project, and... and I doubt if we'd have a indica... an instance where that would happen very often."

"Thank you."

"The Gentleman from Hardin, Representative Winchester."

"Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Will the Gentleman yield?"

"He will."

"I... I didn't fully hear all of his explanation, but I believe this was an Amendment that was attempted to be placed on a Bill in the Transportation Committee, and Jack Hovington, who is a lobbyist with the County Superintendents, objected to the Amendment, and the Amendment was withdrawn, and with the understanding that the County Superintendents and the... the Sponsor of the Amendment would get together and maybe work out some kind of a compromise, because as the Amendment stood at the time it was being offered in Commit... Committee, it was going to put some very severe restrictions on the bidding process and the process used by County Superintendents and coun... counties in... in handling their county highways. Representative Ronan, first, is this the same Amendment 11  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 that Mr. Hovington objected to in the Transportation Committee, and second, have you worked out any agreement?"

"Representative Ronan."

"Representative Winchester, I did not offer any Amendment in the Transportation Committee, so that I'm not aware of what you're talking about."

"Well, you may be right. I think it was Representative..."

"Who?"

"Representative O'Connell who might have offered the Amendment to his Bill, but you have had no contact with Mr. Hovington."

"No, I haven't."

"Well, as he explained it in Committee to the Members who might be interested in this Amendment, this Amendment, as it was offered in the Committee, would do considerable harm and damage to the bidding process for county governments, for local road superintendents, and I think that you should be very careful in your deliberations and considerations on this Amendment."

"The Gentleman from Cook, to close. Representative Ronan."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Just to respond to Representative Winchester's inquiry, a $50,000 project is a very exten... is a fairly extensive project. We have no desire to interfere in local governments doing their job, but obviously, when you reach a project of this scope, I think it would be important that the project be done on a competitive bid basis. What we're trying to do is just make it a statutory requirement that... that local government conform to reasonable bidding procedures and reasonable practices. That's why I move for the adoption of the Amendment." 12  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983

"The Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment #1. All those in favor signify by saying 'aye'. The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of Amendment #1. All those in favor signify by voting 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Representative Friedrich, to explain his vote."

"Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, this is a bad Amendment. A lot of units of local government can undertake projects of this size with their own equipment, with their own men, do it in their spare time, and this really is going to be an expensive item. It may sound innocent enough on the surface, but I caution you as... if this Amendment's adopted, you're going to run up the cost of local government, and you're also going to way... take away some of their prerogatives to run their own affairs."

"Representative Brummer, to explain his vote."

"That's alright."

"Representative Christensen, to explain your vote."

"Mr. Speaker, I want to be recorded as 'no'. I just don't have my switch here yet."

"Mr. Doorkeeper, do you have Representative Christensen's key? Record Representative Christensen as 'no'. Representative Davis, to explain his vote."

"Well, Mr. Speaker, I see it looks as if the 'no' is prevailing. I... I won't waste the time of the House."

"Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this Amendment, there are 39 'ayes', 62 'nos', 2 voting 'present' and the Amendment los... the Amendment is defeated. Further Amendments."

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Senate Bill 162, Representative Terzich. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 162, a Bill for an Act in relation to 13  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 warranties in the sale of automobiles. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"None."

"Third Reading. Senate Bill 188, Representative Capparelli. Representative Caparelli on the floor? Representative Cullerton, you going to handle this Bill? Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 188, a Bill for an Act to amend sections of the Illinois Governmental Ethics Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"None."

"Third Reading. Senate Bill 197, Representative Daniels. Would you like... Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 197, a Bill for an Act to amend the Unemployment Insurance Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #1, Tuerk, amends Senate Bill 197..."

"Representative Tuerk, on Amendment #1."

"Well, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House, as I understand the issue here, in 197, it needs this Amendment - a clarifying Amendment - so that we don't go counter to federal law and therefore lose the opportunity for federal funds, and basically, that's what the Amendment does, and I would move for the adoption."

"The Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment #1. Is there any discussion? Being none, the question is, 'shall Amendment #1 be adopted?'. All those in favor signify by saying 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it and the Amendment's adopted. Further Amendments." 14  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983

"No further Amendments."

"The Gentleman asks leave for Senate Bill 197 to remain on the Order of Short Debate. Is there any objections? There are no objections. Leave is granted. Senate Bill 197, Third Reading, Short Debate. Senate Bill 243, Representative Wojcik. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 243, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act concerning the care and treatment of certain mentally deficient persons. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"None."

"Third Reading. Senate Bill 246, Representative O'Connell. John O'Connell, do you want to have your Bill called, Sir? Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 246, a Bill for an Act to amend sections of the Revenue Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"None."

"Third Reading. Senate Bill 310, Representative Terzich. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 310, a Bill for an Act in relation to compensation of sheriffs, coroners, county treasurers, county clerks, recorders and auditors. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #1, Terzich."

"Representative Terzich, on Amendment #1."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, Amendment #1 provides for a minor salary adjustment for regional school superintendents, and I would move for its adoption."

"The Gentleman moves for the adoption of 15  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 Amendment #1. On that, the Gentleman from Cook, Representative Piel."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Gentleman yield?"

"He will."

"Representative, could you explain Amendment #1? The way I'm reading it, it looks like a pay raise for the Regional Superintendent of Schools, and I was just wondering if that was what I'm looking at or not."

"Well, that's exactly what I said, Representative Piel."

"We can't hear you over here."

"I said 'That's exactly what I said, Representative Piel'."

"What is the increase in salary?"

"$5,000, and $1,500 in subsequent years."

"For how many years?"

"For the... their term, four years."

"Thank you."

"The Gentleman from Champaign, Representative Johnson."

"Representative Terzich knows that we've considered this issue before, extensively debated it before, and it was substantially defeated before. In the period of time since we defeated the Bill, nothing's happened with respect to revenue projections or revenue realities for the state. We're still faced with the very real possibility of laying off thousands and thousands of educational personnel and others. The educational system is going to have to make, even with a tax increase, substantial cuts in every conceivable sort of services that we have in the educational system, and yet, in spite of the fact the Bill was defeated before, in spite of the fact that the objections were raised before, here we are again with another opportunity for the Legislature to vote to increase 16  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 the salaries of individuals who, while they do a good job, are already making salaries substantially, substantially in excess of not only what the average citizen makes in Illinois, but, for that matter, substantially in excess of what two teachers make in Illinois combined. I think it's unrealistic, it's unfair, it's absolutely outrageous this year, with the budget crunch we have, with the tax increase that we're talking about, with the cutbacks that everybody expects everyone to make - we're expecting teachers to... to, in some cases, lose their jobs - we're expecting citizens, parents and pupils to realize substantial cuts in educational services, not to mention all the other branches of State Government, and at the same time, we're going to come in here with this increase for regional superintendents of schools. Now, in a time when we had... if we had a surplus of a billion dollars or two billion dollars, then perhaps. Some of my best friends are regional superintendents of schools, but I think your people aren't going to understand, when you come back to them and tell them we didn't have enough money to keep the classrooms open, we didn't have enough money to keep the teachers working, but we do have the money to give this outrageous increase to regional superintendents of schools. I urge a 'no' vote on this terrible Amendment, and its effort to try to circumvent the process again."

"The ladies and gentlemen in the balcony would refrain from any demonstrations. The Gentleman from DuPage, Representative Hoffman. Representative Matijevich in the Chair."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. The previous speaker made a number of... of accurate observations, and in discussing this Amendment and the previous Bill with the regional superintendents, their 17  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 position is and our position is that this has to move along in the process, but if there is no increase in the revenue of the state, obviously this Bill isn't going to be passed and signed into law, and they understand that. They understand that as well as the, hopefully, all the people on the floor of the House. And so today, Ladies and Gentlemen, I rise in support of this Amendment. I give you that understanding that we have with them in regard to this Bill, and would ask that you support this Amendment with that kind of a proviso."

"The Lady from DuPage, Representative Nelson."

"Thank you... Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I know that Representative Hoffman is most sincere in his comments, and I know that the area that he represents does have a fine superintendent, but I would disagree with the previous Representative, who said that all of the superintendents do a good job. That is just absolutely not the case. There is no justification in the world to vote for a salary increase for incompetent people, and in the region that I represent, I have one good superintendent and one who is... has been described by the newspapers and is, I believe, someone not suited for that job. The job is strictly a patronage office, it does nothing to help the teachers or the school boards or the administration in the Cook County region. Many times, requests for very, very reasonable kinds of institute days, where the teachers would have gone to visit a... an industrial facility or a newspaper or something like that, have been denied by this particular superintendent. In other cases, he has simply not acted on requests that have come into his office, and repeated attempts to get him to act have gone without any action 18  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 being taken. Excuse me. I would urge all of you to vote 'no' on this outrageous Amendment to Senate Bill 310."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Bullock."

"Well, thank you, Mr. Speaker. I was wondering if the Sponsor would yield for a question?"

"He indicates he will."

"Representative Terzich, how long has the present superintendent been in this position? How long has the present superintendent been in this position? Mr. Speaker..."

"I believe that the term of office for regional superintendents is four years. Their salaries are made by statute. They have not received a salary increase, I believe, since 1978. If they do not get any one now, that would be eight years."

"And so, my understanding is, he's served in this position for three terms, is that correct? Has there been..."

"I don't know, Representative, you know, who you're talking about or what. These cover all regional superintendents throughout the State of Illinois."

"Okay. Well, the reason I asked that question is that many of the previous speakers, Mr. Speaker, have tried to make the issue a single individual issue. It's certainly not the case at all. Representative Terzich has intended, with this Amendment, to maintain a quality office. We certainly understand that the education of school children outside of the City of Chicago is immensely important. The regional superintendents, in this case, the County Superintendent of Schocls, has an immensely important job. Certainly, to administer the lives of well over three quarter of a million students, I would guess, that he is 19  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 responsible for, and the parents, in fact, allow him to administer a system. The individual is accountable to the electorate of the county that he represents. He holds himself out to office. The individuals have a right to vote at election time on his worthiness. I stand in support of Representative Terzich's request for this minimal increase. It certainly is long overdue, and I think if we're going to maintain individuals in present positions, and if we're going to attract quality administrators in our public school system, we must, in fact, afford them some meager financial support for their families in the manner that anyone else would expect to support their families. It's a good Amendment. And I don't think we should try and castigate one outstanding public servant at this time, and certainly the allegations and accusations are unfounded, and I would urge an 'aye' vote."

"Representative Vinson."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I rise in support of the Gentleman's Amendment. I do so for two or three reasons. First, the proposal he now comes to us with is substantially scaled down and phased in from the initial proposal in this area. If we are to deal with this problem, we have to deal with it this year, because of the Constitution of the State of Illinois. I do not believe that the appropriate way to deal with salary increases for officials whom we are charged by the Constitution with setting salaries for, is to give them a... an enormous salary increase in one particular year, because they have a four year term. I believe that we ought to phase those salaries in on some kind of reasonable, graduated approach. The Gentleman's Amendment does that, in this particular case. I don't believe that 20  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 it's appropriate for us to say that we ought to dispense with the salary increase for these people, because certain other people have salary increase demands. We have a... an important function in this Legislature; to fund public education in this state. That requires more money being put into the school formula for teachers and for local schools, and it requires more money, in my judgment, for the... at the regional superintendent level. I am for that, because if you were to choose whether to abolish the regional superintendents, or if you were to choose whether to abolish the State Office of Education, there's no doubt in my mind about where the draw should be made. The draw should be made in favor of local control, immediate control that local voters determine. It should not be made in favor of a state official appointed in a no way accountable to the public or to the profession. For those reasons, I rise in support of the Gentleman's... the Gentleman's Amendment. I believe it is a reasonable phased-in approach, and I think that everybody should vote 'yes' on it."

"The Gentleman from Madison, Representative Wolf."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. I also rise in support of this Amendment. I think the Amendment has been scaled down to be one of reasonableness. I am not acquainted with the individual that has been referred to on the other side, but I happen to know that the original superintendent in our area does a terrific job. I ask for your support."

"Representative Flinn, for what... Representative Flinn is... are you seeking recognition?"

"Well, I just wanted to move the previous question, if it's necessary." 21  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 53rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983

"Oh, well, alright. That's in order. Representative Flinn moves the previous question. The question is, 'Shall the main question be put?'. Those in favor signify by saying 'aye', opposed 'no', and the main question is put. Representative Terzich to close."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, I wish there was some other way, but again, this is done by statute. I've discussed the Bill with many Legislators and tried to come up with a reasonable... it's a step graded one. It's long overdue. I'm sure that if there was any other way, but if they don't get any adjustment this year, again they won't be able to do it for another four years, and I would appreciate your support of this Amendment."

"Representative Terzich has moved for the adoption of Amendment #2 to Senate Bill 310. Amendment 1. I'm sorry. Amendment 1 to Senate Bill 310. Those in favor say 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Next Bill. Representative Vinson, for what purpose do you rise?"

"Mr. Speaker, I'm in support of that Amendment. I believe that we ought to pass it, but I think it's clear that a number of people have expressed opposition to it, and I ask for a Roll Call on it, and I believe that it would be advisable to have a Roll Call on it."

"Alright. I didn't see all of what was going on. I was... I guess I was busy. Those in favor signify by voting 'aye', those opposed by voting 'no'. Joe, record me 'aye'. Representative Friedrich... Friedrich to explain his vote."

"Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, if you've been here very long, you'll know all the furor that was raised 22  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 because Legislators raised their pay after the election. In case you're not aware of what's going on here, the people that you're raising the pay for has already been elected for four years. They haven't taken office, so what you're doing is legal. What you're doing is not making this same information available to a possible candidate last year when they might have run, had the salary been higher. The people who were elected last year knew what the salary was. They took their chance. They decided they wanted the office at that price. I don't think it's right. I didn't think it was right in the... for the Legislature to raise their pay after the election. I don't think it's right to raise the pay of these people after the election. That's what you're doing, just in case you don't know what... hadn't thought about that."

Speaker Matijevich: "Representative Bopp to explain his vote. One minute."

"Thank you Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. If what we ought to be doing, we ought to really be dealing with the total revenue picture of the State of Illinois. It would be a lot easier in determining how we were going to vote on necessary measures that deal with appropriations. That is not the case at the present time. The case is, we have to make some decisions on necessary spending for certain areas. This happens to be an area that, by statute, we authorize, and it is my judgment that the original Bill, which said, or the original Amendment had something like $10,000. This is a smaller figure. It is phased in and is one that I think ought to be addressed. Any other individual in the area of education that receives a salary can be dealt with from a year-to-year basis. This is one that is delete with only once every once every four years." 23  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983

"Bring your remarks to a close."

"That's why I think we need to support it. If the money's not there, as previously stated..."

"Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 63 'ayes', 36 'nays', and just like I thought I heard, the 'ayes' have it, and Amendment #1 is adopted. No, I know. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Representative Terzich asks leave that this Bill remain on Short Debate. Does he have leave? Leave, and the Bill will remain on Short Debate. Senate Bill 313, Mike Slape. Read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 313, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of an Act to revise the law in relation to coroners. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"Floor Amendment #1, Slape."

"Representative Slape on Amendment #1."

"Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Amendment #1 to Senate Bill 313 corrects a spelling error in the Bill and also adds Section 2, which clarifies a point of contention that came up in Committee, whether or not Senate Bill 313 should be exempted from the State Mandates Act. This clarifies that, and I would ask for... and also it adds Section 3, which makes the Act become effective upon being signed, and I would ask for adoption of Amendment #1."

"Representative Slape has moved for the adoption of Amendment #1 to Senate Bill 313. Those in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay', and Amendment #1 is adopted. Further Amendments?" 24  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Senate Bill 342. Leave for Short Debate on 313. Leave, and Senate Bill 313 will remain on Short Debate. Senate Bill 342, Levin. The Clerk will read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 342, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Are there any Motions?"

"No Motions filed."

"Are there any Amendments from the floor?"

"Floor Amendment #2, Levin - Preston, amends Senate Bill 342 as amended by deleting the title, and so forth."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Levin, on Amendment #2."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Amendment #2 to Senate Bill 342 would require that where a foreign government or a citizen of a foreign government makes an endowment to a public college or a university over $100,000 that to be disclosable. This has been cleared with both the Chairman and Minority Spokesman of Higher Ed and Elementary and Secondary, as well as the University of Illinois, and it's supported by the Board of Regents."

"Representative Levin has moved for the adoption of Amendment #2 to Senate Bill 342. The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Cullerton."

"Yes, would the Sponsor yield?"

"He indicates he will."

"I didn't quite understand his explanation of the Amendment. Perhaps he could tell me whether or not this Amendment was the same subject matter of a previously 25  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 considered House Bill."

"Yes, it is, Representative Cullerton. It is identical, including the... including... identical to House Bill 1538 as that was amended on the floor, which passed out of Higher Ed on a 13 to nothing vote, and just was not called on Third Reading."

"Okay, so the Bill was not defeated, it was simply not heard?"

"That's correct."

"And could you tell me one more time what the Amendment does?"

"The Amendment requires that where a foreign government or a citizen of a foreign country makes an endowment of over $100,000 to a public college or university, that that... that is disclosable."

"What does... It's disclosable to whom?"

"That, on an annual basis, the public colleges or university would file a disclosure statement with the Attorney General."

"And what is this particular Amendment aimed at?"

"It is aimed at the use of petrodollars by Arab governments to infringe upon the academic freedom of colleges and universities in this country. Unfortunately, they have a lot of money. They have taken that money in a number of cases and used it to endow departments or chairs of various colleges and universities across the country, and they use that as leverage in order to get those... try to get those colleges or universities to do their bidding, to prevent various kinds of professors from teaching or various kinds of courses from being offered."

"Was the..."

"This is purely disclosure of such..."

"Is the disclosure designed to discourage such 26  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 endowments to our public universities?"

"It's purely disclosure. The experience has been that where the public has become aware of some of these endowments, it has taken the pressure off of the various colleges and universities that they might otherwise be under to go along with the Arab government."

"Thank you."

"The Gentleman from Winnebago, Representative Mulcahey."

"A question of the Sponsor, Mr. Speaker."

"Proceed."

"Representative Levin, you say this was an existing Bill one time?"

"Yes, this was House Bill 1538, which passed out of Higher Ed on a 13 to nothing vote. It was, at that point, supported by the Board of Regents, and it's also supported by the University of Illinois, and I talked to you about this yesterday."

"Okay. Okay. Alright."

"The Lady from Champaign, Representative Satterthwaite."

"Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, I'm just verifying what the Sponsor has indicated, that the substance of this Amendment was, in fact, processed through the Committee process. It was simply a matter of the Bill getting caught in the deadline and never being heard on the House floor, and I have no objection to it being passed in this fashion."

"Representative Levin to close."

"I would just ask for a favorable Roll Call."

"Representative Levin has moved for the adoption of Amendment #2 to Senate Bill 342. Those in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay', and Amendment #2 is 27  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. The Gentleman asks leave that this Bill remain on the Order of Short Debate. Leave, and the Bill will so remain. Senate Bill 354, Levin. Read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 354, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Condominium Property Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Are there any Motions?"

"No Motions filed."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Senate Bill 359, Cowlishaw. Read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 359, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. House Bill 400, Cullerton. Read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 400, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Dental Practice Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Motions filed?"

"No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Senate Bill 404, Panayotovich. Is Panayotovich back there? Out of the 28  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 record. Represen... 411, Representative Nash. I don't... Read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 411, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Vehicle Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"Floor Amendment #1, Nash, amends Senate Bill 411 on page one by deleting line 13 and 14 and inserting in lieu thereof the following."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Nash on Floor Amendment #1."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I move to withdraw Amendment #1."

"Leave to withdraw Amendment #1? Leave, and Amendment #1 is withdrawn. Further Amendments?"

"Amendment #2 was misprinted and withdrawn. Floor Amendment #3, Cullerton."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Cullerton, on Amendment #3."

"Mr. Speaker, I would first ask, did we adopt 1 or 2?"

"Neither one. Both were withdrawn."

"I understand that Amendment #1 is a technical Amendment that is in order or that should be adopted, so I would ask that you go back to that Amendment."

"Leave to return and submit... Leave to submit and offer for adoption Amendment #1 by Representative Nash. Representative Nash on Amendment #1."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, Amendment #1 to House... Senate Bill 411 is a technical Amendment, and I move for its adoption."

"Representative Nash moves to adopt Amendment #1 to Senate Bill 411. All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay', and Amendment #1 is adopted. #2 is withdrawn." 29  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 Representative Cullerton on Amendment #3."

"Yes, this is a... commonly known as a 'grandfather clause', so that the effectiveness of the Act would apply to future purchases or transfers of automobiles and would not apply to automobiles as they currently exist with the tinted glass."

"Representative Cullerton moves for the adoption of Amendment #3. All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay', and Amendment #3 is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Leave that House... Senate Bill 411 remain on the Order of Short Debate. Leave, the Bill there remains. Senate Bill 417, Jaffe. Read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 417, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Criminal Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Senate Bill 418, Levin. Read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 418, a Bill for an Act in relation to condominiums. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendments #1 and 2 were adopted in Committee."

"Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"Floor Amendment #3, Cullerton, amends Senate Bill 418 as amended, in the second sentence of paragraph (a)."

"Representative Cullerton on Amendment #3."

"I don't believe it's printed yet, Mr. Speaker." 30  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Levin."

"I believe that Representative Cullerton was going to withdraw Amendment #3 in any event."

"That's not what he said, but we'll hear from him. Representative Cullerton on Amendment 3. What's your pleasure?"

"This is the one we just talked about, John."

"Yes, that's correct, Mr. Speaker. Amendment #3 I wish to withdraw."

"Leave to withdraw Amendment #3. Leave, and Amendment #3 is withdrawn. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Page 12 of the Calendar, Senate Bill 432, Levin. Read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 432, a Bill for an Act to amend the Condominium Property Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Senate Bill 433, Cullerton. Read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 433, a Bill for an Act in relation to condominiums. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"The Gentleman from Cook wants that out of the record. Senate Bill 434, Levin. Read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 434, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Condominium Property Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee. Amendment 1 was adopted in Committee." 31  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983

"Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Leave to return Senate Bill 404, Panayotovich, was not on the... I took it out of the record, but Laurino was, so leave to return to Senate Bill 404. The Clerk will read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 404, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Dental Practice Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"None."

"Third Reading. Senate Bill 436, Levin. The Clerk will read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 436, a Bill for an Act to amend the Condominium Property Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Third Reading. 454, Jesse White. Is Jesse on the floor? Out of the record. Senate Bill 490, Flinn. The Clerk will read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 490, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Vehicle Code."

"Out of the record? Out of the record. Senate Bill 496, Gene Hoffman. The Clerk will read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 496, a Bill for an Act in relation to financial supporters of certain children. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 and 2 were adopted in Committee."

"Motions filed?" 32  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983

"No Motions filed."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"Floor Amendment #3, Cullerton."

"Representative Cullerton on Amendment 3."

"Has that been printed and distributed?"

"It has? Or hasn't? It has not been printed. Representative Hoffman, what's your pleasure?"

"Well, if the Amendment hasn't been printed, I have not had an opportunity to discuss the suggested Amendment with the... with the Sponsor. I don't know exactly what he has in mind. What I'd like to do is, I'd like to go over and talk with him and then, if we can, come back to it."

"Leave to take it out of the record and then come back to it, if the Sponsor desires. Leave, and we will take that, at least temporarily, out of the record. Senate Bill 507, Saltsman. The Clerk will read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 507, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Pension Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"None."

"Third Reading. Senate Bill 511, Mautino. The Clerk will read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 511..."

"Is Mautino back there? I don't see him. Out of the record. Senate Bill 513, Nelson. Read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 513, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #2 was adopted in Committee."

"Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Amendments from the floor?" 33  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983

"Floor Amendment #3, Cowlishaw, amends Senate Bill 513 on page one and line two, and so forth."

"The Lady from DuPage, Representative Cowlishaw, on Amendment #3."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, Amendment #3 to Senate Bill 513 provides that school districts which operate more than one high school must establish standards by which they decide upon the closing of any high school within that district. This legislation was suggested in a recent court opinion by Judge James C. Murray, wherein he stated, 'The real problem in this case is the failure of the Legislature to spell out legislative guidelines to steer the exercise of the boards' or districts' decisions when the closing of a high school becomes necessary.'. The guidelines are very general. There is a provision for local boards of education to establish their own guidelines if they wish to do so. There is a time frame for holding hearings and for arriving finally at this painful decision. I know of no opposition to this Amendment. It has been cleared with the Senate Sponsor of this Bill. I move for its adoption."

"Representative Cowlishaw has moved for the adoption of Amendment #3. No discussion? Those in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay', and Amendment #3 is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #4, Nelson, amends Senate Bill 513 on page one, and so forth."

"Representative Nelson on Amendment 4."

"Mr. Speaker, I would like to, before I present Amendment #4, withdraw Amendment #2 because it is technically flawed, and Amendment #4 is identical to that, as is Amendment #5."

"Leave to withdraw Committee... to table Amend... Committee Amendment #2. Leave, and Committee... 34  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 One moment. Representative Cullerton."

"Could she please repeat that. I didn't follow that."

"Representative Nelson, will you repeat that?"

"Representative Cullerton, when I came and spoke to you yesterday, I explained that Amendment #4 and 5 were suggested to me by the Legislative Reference Bureau, because in Amendment #2, I had inadvertently lined out the word 'approval' and that should have been left simply in quotes, and then, after 'review' and 'recommendation', 'approval' should have been lined out."

"So, what you want to accomplish is, you want to adopt Amendment #5."

"That's correct."

"So you want... Right now, you want to withdraw Amendment #4."

"I'd like to table Amendment #2, and then I intend to withdraw Amendment #4."

"I don't think it would be necessary to table Amendment #2 if you adopt Amendment #5."

"Oh, that's my fault."

"Are you not... Are you still persisting in tabling Amendment 2?"

"I would like a ruling from the Chair as to what is the proper procedure, Mr. Speaker."

"The Parliamentarian... Parliamentarian informs me that you can leave of Committee Amendment #2, withdraw 4 and adopt 5, and it will accomplish your purpose."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. At this time, I would like to withdraw Amendment #4."

"Leave to withdraw Amendment #4. Leave... Objection. No, he was kidding. And Amendment #4 is 35  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 withdrawn. Further Amendments?"

"Amendment #5, Nelson, amends Senate Bill 513 as amended."

"Representative Nelson on Amendment #5."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. Amendment #5 is purely technical as I've explained, and I would like to move for its adoption."

"Representative Nelson moves for the adoption of Amendment #5. All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'no', and Amendment #5 is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #6, Oblinger, amends Senate Bill 513 on page one, and so forth."

"The Lady from Sangamon, Representative Oblinger, on Amendment #6."

"Mr. Speaker and Members of the General Assembly, this was House Bill 2083 which passed out of Education Committee 12 to 1, was never heard and never called on Third Reading. It allows five percent of the voters in a... registered voters in a school district to request that meals be provided for senior citizens, which they will pay for. I think it's a good move. One, it will help the schools to keep their lunch program going. Two, it will help the senior citizens in places where there are no nutrition centers, and thirdly, I hope, by getting the senior citizens into the schools, referenda will pass more easily."

"Representative Oblinger moves the adoption of Amendment 6. Representative Cullerton."

"Mr. Speaker, I don't object to the Amendment, but we have not seen it yet because it has not been distributed."

"The Amendment has not been distributed. What is the Sponsor's pleasure? Representative Nelson."

"Mr. Speaker, could we take this Bill out of the record 36  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 temporarily, until that Amendment is distributed?"

"Leave to take the Bill cut of the record temporarily and return it when... as your... leave, I believe. The leave, and we will take that out of the record. Leave to return to Senate Bill 511. Representative Mautino is right out the door talking to a constituent when I took that out of the record. Leave, Senate Bill 511. Read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 511, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Senate Bill 517, Hannig. Read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 517, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"None."

"Third Reading. Senate Bill 522, Vinson. Read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 522, a Bill for an Act to amend the Mental Health and Developmental Disabilities Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"None."

"Third Reading. Senate... Representative Vinson, for what purpose do you rise?"

"I'm sorry, Mr. Speaker. I should have asked you to take this out of the record at the time you first called it. 37  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 Would you keep it on Second, please?"

"Alright. Leave... Keep... Out of the record. 522 will remain on Second. Senate Bill 523, Levin. Read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 523, a Bill for an Act to amend the Condominium Property Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"Floor Amendment #1, Levin - Karpiel, amends Senate Bill 523 by deleting the title and inserting in lieu of the following."

"Representative Levin on Amendment #1. Levin."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Amendment #1 to Senate Bill 523 strikes everything after the enacting clause and inserts the tax of what is now contained in Senate Bill 433. It is my understanding that the Sponsor of that Bill intends to use it for a different purpose."

"Representative Levin moves for the adoption of Amendment #1. Representative Mulcahey, for what purpose do you rise?"

"Question of the Sponsor, Mr. Speaker."

"Proceed."

"Representative Levin, would you run that by us one more time?"

"Okay."

"One more time."

"Alright."

"Amendment #1 does what, and why do you need it?"

"Amendment #1... pardon?"

"What does it do, and why do you need it?"

"Okay. Amendment... The underlying Bill amends the 38  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 Condominium Property Act."

"Right."

"What we're doing is striking everything after the enacting clause. The Bill currently, the underlying Bill, deals with add-on condominiums in a number of situations involving developers, and it inserts into the Bill the text of what is now in Senate Bill 433, which also amends the Condominium Property Act. It is my understanding that the Sponsor of that Bill intends to use it for a different purpose."

"What... What purpose would that be, Representative Levin?"

"I'm not the Sponsor. You're going to have to ask him."

"I see. Okay. Thank you very much."

"Representative Levin has moved for the adoption of Amendment #1. Those in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay', and Amendment #1 is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading, and the Sponsor asks leave that this Bill remain on the Order of Short Debate. Leave? The Bill will there remain. Senate Bill 529, Nash. The Clerk will read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 529, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Banking Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"None."

"Third Reading. Senate Bill 530, Nash. The Clerk will read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 530, a Bill for an Act to amend the Foreign Banking Office Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendments #1 and 2 were adopted in Committee." 39  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983

"Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed in respect to Amendments #1 and 2."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Senate Bill 550, Giorgi. The Clerk will read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 550, a Bill for an Act in relationship to transfers of juvenile offenders to adult division. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"None."

"Third Reading. Senate Bill 568, Saltsman. The Clerk will read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 568, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Pension Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"None."

"Third Reading. Senate Bill 571, Karpiel. The Clerk will read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 571, a Bill for an Act authorizing certain counties to compile, publish and maintain a code of ordinances and regulations. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"Floor Amendment #1, Cullerton, amends Senate Bill 571 on page 1, and so forth."

"Representative Cullerton on Amendment #1."

"Mr. Speaker, this is a technical Amendment. It takes out the underlining that was included in the Senate Bill which created a new Act, and therefore it did not need to be underlined. This merely takes out the underlining." 40  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983

"Representative Cullerton moves for the adoption of Amendment #1. Those in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay', and Amendment #1 is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. The Lady asks leave that this Bill remain on Short Debate. Leave, and the Bill will be on Short Debate. Senate Bill 576, Leverenz. Ted, yeah. Out? Out. Out of the record. 589, Leverenz. Out of the record. 607, Slape. Read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 607, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act to revise the law in relationship to coroners. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"Floor Amendment #1, Slape, amends Senate Bill 607 on page one, and so forth."

"Representative Slape on Amendment #1. Representative Piel, for what purpose do you rise?"

"Question. Has this Amendment been distributed?"

"The Amendment been distrib... No, it has not. What's your pleasure? You want out of the record, Mike? Out of the record. Senate Bill 621, Jesse White. Out of the record. Senate Bill 624, Mautino. Read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 624, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act in relationship to construction, operation, regulation and maintenance of systems of toll highways and to create the Illinois State Highway Authority. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"None."

"Third Reading. Senate Bill 626. Are you ready on that? Read the Bill." 41  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983

"Senate Bill 626, a Bill for an Act to amend the Revenue Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"There's a request for a fiscal, so we'll hold that until that's complied with. The Bill will remain on Second because a fiscal note is being filed. Alright. Senate Bill 632, Terzich. Read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 632, a Bill for an Act to revise the law in relationship to Kasimir Pulaski's birthday. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Motions filed? Any Motions? No Committee Amendments. Floor Amendments?"

"None."

"A request for a fical and state mandates on this Bill. The Bill will remain on Second. Senate Bill 637, Terzich. Read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 637, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Vehicle Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"Amendment #1, Nash et al, amends Senate Bill 637 on page one, and so forth."

"Representative Nash on Amendment #1."

"Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, Amendment #1 to House Bill 637 is a simple one. It's a senior citizens' Amendment that's the same as House Bill 69 that passed overwhelmingly by the House. I ask for its adoption. It removes the provision for senior citizens, 42  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 people over age 69, from having to take the road test for renewing their driver's license if they have a good driving record. It puts them the same level as the rest of us. If we have a good driving record, we don't have to take the road test. We're doing the same thing for the senior citizens. It's a senior citizens Bill. I ask for its adoption."

"Representative Nash moves for the adoption of Amendment #1. Those in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay', and Amendment #1 is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading, and Representative Terzich asks leave that this Bill remain on the Order of Short Debate. Leave, and it will so remain. Rep... Senate Bill 638, Giglio. The Clerk will read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 638, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Vehicle Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"Floor Amendment #2, Nash et al, amends Senate Bill 638 on page one, and so forth."

"Representative Nash on Amendment #2."

"Mr. President... Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, Amendment #2 is the same as the one we adopted on 637. I move that it be withdrawn."

"Leave to withdraw Amendment #2. Leave. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #3, Giglio, amends Senate Bill 638 as amended."

"Representative Giglio on Amendment #3. Representative Piel, for what purpose do you rise?" 43  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983

"Has 3 been distributed yet?"

"It has not been distributed. Out of the record. 659, Senate Bill 659. The Clerk will read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 659, a Bill for an Act to amend the Environmental Protection Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"None."

"Third Reading. Senate Bill 671, Levin. The Clerk will read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 671, a Bill for an Act to amend the Condominium Property Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Senate Bill 681, Yourell. The Clerk will read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 681, a Bill for an Act to amend the Election Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"None."

"Third Reading. Senate Bill 695, Bea. The Clerk will read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 695, a Bill for an Act to amend the Code of Civil Procedure. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"None."

"Third Reading. Senate Bill 700, Jaffe. Is 44  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 Representative Jaffe here? Read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 700, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act relating to the disclaimer of interest in property. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"None."

"Third Reading. Senate Bill 719, Preston. Read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 719, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Pension Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"Floor Amendment #2, Preston, amends Senate Bill 719 as amended."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Preston, on Amendment #2."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. What Amendment #2 does is to bring the... the Chicago Teachers' Pension Code into synch with the Downstate Teachers' Pension Code by permitting, in appropriate cases and in a limited number of cases, an employee to opt for early retirement if that same employee wants to the same way that they can in the other pension systems, and I would urge your 'aye' vote."

"Representative Preston has moved for the adoption of Amendment #2. Those in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay', and Amendment #2 is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading, and the... Representative Piel, for what purpose do you rise?"

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, Amendment #2 changed the title, so you'd 45  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 have to go back to First Day Second Reading."

"On your point of Order, Representative Piel, I'm informed by the Parliamentarian, because the Amendment changes the title by... if it deletes or adds a Section under the same Act, that that rule, therefore, does not apply. Representative Piel, for what purpose do you arise?"

"In other words, you're saying that Rule 36(d) would not apply in this case, because..."

"It does apply, but there is that exception under the rule, if you'll read the rule. Because it amends the title, but changes the Act by deleting a Section under the same Act, therefore, that is the exception in the rule. Alright. Third Reading. And the Gentleman asks leave that this Bill remain on the Order of Short Debate. Leave? Senate Bill 721, Pierce. The Clerk will read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 721, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Municipal Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the Floor?"

"Floor Amendment #1, Pierce, amends Senate Bill 721, on page four and so forth."

"The Gentleman from Lake, Representative Pierce, on Amendment #1."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, Amendment #1 is a technical Amendment on the refunding portion of the tax increment financing that provides that the... upon refunding the last maturity date, couldn't be no longer than twenty-three years from the date of the ordinance approving the redevelopment area. It was suggested by Bond Council, and for that reason, I took the Bill off the Consent Calendar, so Amendment #1 could be added. And I do move for the adoption of Amendment #1 to Senate Bill 721." 46  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983

"Representative Pierce moves for the adoption of Amendment #1 to Senate Bill 721. Those in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay'. Amendment #1 is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. And Representative Pierce asks leave that this Bill remain on Short Debate. Leave? And the Bill will remain on Short Debate. Senate Bill 726, Terzich. Read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 726, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act to provide for the Illinois-Michigan Canal and National Corridor Civic Service... Civic Center Authority of Cook County. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the Floor."

"Floor Amendment #1, Terzich, amends Senate Bill 726, on page four and so forth."

"Representative Terzich on Amendment #1."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, Amendment #1 is simply a technical change, and also has a... the mandate exemption on the Bill."

"Representative Terzich moves for the adoption of Amendment #1. The Gentleman, Representative Vinson, on Amendment #1."

"Will the Gentleman yield for a question?"

"Indicates he will. Proceed."

"Representative, as I just quickly perused Amendment #1, it would appear to exempt some property from taxation, and if that is the case, then it's not really a technical Amendment. Could you clarify that for us?"

"Yeah. Where it says, it says by deleting Joliet and inserting lieu of Will County, because it deals with counties, and also, by deleting four and inserting lieu of 47  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 majority of... It's simply technical change, it doesn't make any substantive changes in the Bill."

"Well the portion that I'm concerned about is lines ten, eleven and twelve of the Amendment, which appear to say that all property and authority created pursuant to this Act shall be exempt. Now, is that already in the Act some place?"

"I believe it is. This was prepared by staff. One second, here's the staff right here."

"Well now..."

"That is for DeKalb County, and it also applied for anyone else that would form one in the future."

"Well now, let me direct your attention to page fourteen of the Amendment, on lines seventeen, and eighteen. They would appear in the current Bill to only exempt from property tax the Metropolitan Civic Center Authority. And I think that's McCormick Place, isn't it?"

"That's DeKalb County."

"That's in DeKalb County?"

"That's correct."

"Okay, then I have no further questions."

"Thank you very much, Representative Vinson."

"The Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment #1. All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay', and Amendment #1 is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2, Giorgi - Terzich, amends Senate Bill 726 as amended."

"Representative Terzich on Amendment #2. Representative Terzich on Amendment 2. Representative Terzich has his own Conference Committee. Are you set on... I don't see Giorgi there, so I called on you. Is Representative Giorgi in the Assembly? Giorgi, this is your Amendment #2 to Senate Bill 726. Representative 48  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 Giorgi, the Gentleman from Winnebago."

"Mr. Speaker, this is the Amendment that allows the Metro Center to enter into some contracts for the perpetuity of the Metro Center and for the success of the Metro Center. And I urge the support of the House in the adoption of Amendment #2."

"The Gentleman moved to adopt Amendment #2 to Senate Bill 726. All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay', and Amendment #2 is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. And Representative Terzich asks leave that this Bill remain on Short Debate. Leave? And the Bill will be on Short Debate. Senate Bill 727. Out of the record. Senate Bill 738. Representative McPike out there? Daniels, do you want to proceed? Out of the record. Oh! Here he is. The Majority Leader, Representative McPike, on Senate Bill 738. Read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 738, a Bill for an Act to revise the law in relationship to real estate brokers. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Representative McPike on Senate Bill 738."

"No Committee Amendments."

"No Committee Amendments. Amendments from the Floor?"

"Floor Amendment #1, McPike, amends Senate Bill 738, on page forty and so forth."

"Representative McPike on Amendment #1."

"Yeah, Amendment #1, Mr. Speaker, restores the sunset date to 1989. As originally drafted, it was in 1993, and this restores it back to 1989. I know of no opposition, will move for the adoption of the Amendment."

"Representative McPike moves for the adoption of Amendment #1. All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay', 49  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 and the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2, Leverenz, amends Senate Bill 738, on page fifteen and so forth."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Leverenz, on Amendment #2."

"Is the Amendment printed and distributed?"

"The Amendment? Yes, Sir. Proceed."

"Thank you. This would deal in Senate Bill 37... 738 rather. It would change a word of status, and it would change in the case of a person that might have his license on inactive status where they have to take the fifteen hours of retraining from three years to five years. And I would move for the adoption of the Amendment."

"Representative Leverenz has moved for the adoption of Amendment #2, and on that, the Majority Leader, Representative McPike."

"Would the Sponsor yield?"

"He indicates he will. Proceed."

"Ted, this is the Realtors Licensing Act. Has Amendment #2 been cleared with the Realtors?"

"Representative Leverenz."

"No. My constituent cleared the Amendment with me, and not with... I didn't check with the Realtors at all. I just think it is unreasonable to send somebody for fifteen hours of training, and sit in the classroom if they have deliberately put their real estate license on an inactive status for a period of three years, but believe that the concept of taking the fifteen hours of refresher at a five year instead of a three year point. And I would ask for your cooperation of the adoption of the Amendment."

"Well... I would think that since this is the Realtors Licensing Act, a common courtesy would say that either you or I as the Sponsor of the Bill should at least check with 50  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 them to get their opinion on this, and until that happens, I would oppose the Amendments."

"Well... and then in the alternative, I would ask that you take the Bill out of the record for a short time."

"Alright, Mr. Speaker, I take this out of the record."

"Out of the record."

"Thank you."

"Senate Bill 739, McPike. The Clerk will read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 739, a Bill for an Act to amend the Real Estate Brokers and Salesmen License Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"None."

"Third Reading. Senate Bill 768, McGann. Read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 768, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Pension Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"Floor Amendment #1, Mays, amends Senate Bill 768 by deleting everything after line seven and so forth."

"Representative Mays on Amendment #1."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It's my understanding, I've just been informed that the Amendment has not been distributed at this point. I would ask, with the Sponsor's approval, if we could take this out of the record and come back to it when the Amendment gets distributed. It's an Agreed Amendment."

"Representative McGann, is that your pleasure to take this Bill out of the record?"

"Or move it to Third, and then come back."

"Out of the record. Leave that we take this 51  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 out and return to it. Leave. Senate Bill 773, Yourell. The Clerk will read the Bill."

"Senate Bill..."

"Out of the record. Senate Bill 779, in or out? Read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 779, a Bill for an Act to amend the Election Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"None."

"Third Reading. 792. Is Ronan back there? I don't..., oh, here he is. Read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 792, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act relating to private security agents, and private security agencies. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"Floor Amendment #2, Cullerton, amends Senate Bill 792 as amended."

"Representative Cullerton on Amendment #2."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Once again, this Bill adds criminal sections to the Code. This adds eight knowinglys to the Bill. I move for the adoption."

"Representative Cullerton moves for the adoption of Amendment #2. On that, the Gentleman from DeWitt, Representative Vinson."

"Will the Gentleman..."

"He indicates he will. Proceed."

"Representative, I know that you want to do this, and normally, I support you in doing this, but I am curious as to, since we are adding eight knowinglys, what we are 52  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 making crimes that require mens rea...which currently are strict liability offenses. I think in this particular case, there may be policy problems, and I wonder if you can explain, in each case, what we're requiring knowingly for?"

"Well, first of all, it's my understanding, that the Amendment #1 to the Bill is the Act, and it's a new Act, having to do with licensing and regulating private security guards, private detectives, and private alarm contractors. And the Amendment #1 deletes everything after the enacting clause. To start, if you want me to continue, page 20 of Amendment #1, on line three, they say, it's unlawful for an applicant for registered employment to file with the Department the fingerprints of a person other than himself. We add the word knowingly there. I mean, if you inadvertently filed the wrong fingerprints, you would be guilty of a class, whatever, a class A misdemeanor. So, we had a mental state there. Also on page 20, on line 27, they make it a criminal... Section 16, it's unlawful for a licensee, under this Act, or an employee of such licensee. Then there's three Sections under that Section 16. We add the word knowingly under... after the word to, so it reads, to knowingly fail to return immediately upon demand or, within seventy-two hours of termination of employment, a firearm issued to him pursuant to his employment. Next paragraph, we add knowingly, to knowingly fail to return immediately upon demand or within seventy-two hours of termination of employment any uniform badge, identification card, or equipment. Also on line 35, we do the same, to knowingly falsify his employment statement. On page 36, line twelve. Okay, if we have... just follow with me, we'll go to page thirty-six. Any person who violates any of the following provisions shall be guilty of a class four 53  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 felony. So, if you're going to be given felony...potential felony convictions, sending somebody away from one to three years, of course, you want to have a mental state in Section twenty-nine. So, on page thirty-six, and on page thirty-seven, we put knowingly in the class four felony sections of the Bill. I'm sorry, on page thirty-seven it's a class a misdemeanor for an employee who knowingly violates this section, or an employee who knowingly files false papers or reports to his employer. So that's the purpose of putting the mental state in. Whenever you have, and my attitude is, whenever you have a misdemeanor, or a felony criminal sanction, you should have a mental state. Now sometimes you want to have presumptions that aid the state in proving knowledge, but I don't think, in any of these cases, it's unreasonable to require a mental state of mens rea before you can convict somebody of one of these offenses."

"Okay, now let me ask you a question in regard to one of the specific requirements. On page thirty-six, Section 29, the way your Bill would read in part now, the way the Bill would read as amended by you, if this Amendment were adopted, any person who knowingly violates by... and then if you'll drop down to Section three where a fraudulent representation would have to be made. Okay?"

"Right."

"Okay, now what does knowingly add in that particular instance? I mean, if the person is guilty of fraud..."

"Right."

"...then clearly, he has to know about it to begin with, because you have to prove deception and..."

"That's correct. So in that particular Section, it would be repetitive. But you see what I amend is the Section 29(a), which then has four Subsections underneath 54  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 it. So just for a matter of convenience, I put the knowingly in the Subsection A at the beginning, rather than put it individually in each Section one, two, three and four. If I was to do it in one, two, three and four, I suspect that and I would do it in one, two and four, and not have to do it in three. Because, you're right, you have to have a fraudulent representation. And to prove fraudulent representation, you have to prove a mental state already."

"Okay, let's go back to Subsection one, in that particular Section. How could a person practice or attempt to practice the profession of being a private detective without knowing he was doing so?"

"Well, the State could charge someone, that would be the whole issue in the criminal case, whether or not he was acting as a, or attempting to practice as a private detective."

"But could a person actually attempt to practice as a private detective without knowing that he was attempting to practice, that way? I mean, logically."

"You're right, but the point is that the reason why you put knowingly in, is to protect an individual from having the State simply be able to charge someone to allege in an indictment that someone was attempting to act as a private detective, and then have the case proven just by the allegation."

"Can you explain to me in the context of this specific example a set of facts, which would create a violation under this Section without the word knowingly, that would not create a violation with the addition of the word knowingly?"

"Well, sure. I... I could see... And again, this is a thirty-seven page Bill on a... I haven't read the whole 55  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 Bill, but I can see where a small businessman could tell an employee, 'Hey, watch out for... watch out for shoplifters, would you?' And the guy says, 'Sure, okay, boss, I'll watch out for shoplifters.' And he doesn't have a badge, he's not licensed. He doesn't fulfill all of the obligations imposed on him by this Act. And under some... because the local State's Attorney... maybe the shop owner was the previous candidate for State's Attorney, and he lost, so the local State's Attorney let's say... County which is our State's smallest county, six thousand people. He goes in and says, 'Hey, there is a security agent there, you got a security guard there working for you watching for shoplifters, and he ain't registered, buddy. So, we are going to charge you with being an unlicensed private detective. You weren't a private detective, but you're attempting to be one."

"How does the word knowingly... How does the word knowingly..."

"The guy's defense is... The guy's defense is, I didn't know that I was being a private detective, I just did what my boss told me. So to simply say that you have to knowingly be attempting to act as a private detective simply requires that State's Attorney to show through in evidence, that he knew that the defendant, the one whose charged with the criminal offense, and go to jail for three years, that he knew that he was acting as a private detective in violation of this Act."

"I've always thought that knowingly imported an objective standard, and what you've just suggested, is that with knowingly, unless he still believes that he's acting as a private detective, he personally has to believe that. It's a good..."

"Could we try to bring this to a close 56  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 somehow."

"This is very important, Mr. Speaker."

"I know it is, but I have Members going like this all over the place."

"Who's doing that?"

"Look, Mr. Speaker, let's bring... Let's shorten this up. I'm not going to oppose the Gentleman's Amendment. But I think the Gentleman ought to use a little more discretion in choosing where to insert knowingly, because I think in some of these cases we're getting to be absurd on the subject."

"Representative Cullerton moves for the adoption of Amendment #2. Those in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay', and Amendment #2 is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. And the Gentleman asks leave that Senate Bill 792 remain on the Order of Short Debate. Leave to return to Senate Bill 513, the Oblinger's... Representative Oblinger's Amendment has been published, and she has a family obligation to report to the hospital. Leave, and the Clerk will read Senate Bill 513."

"Senate Bill 513, has been read a second time previously. Next Amendment is Amendment #6, Oblinger, amends Senate Bill 513, on page one, line one and so forth."

"Turn Cullerton off. Representative Oblinger on Amendment #6."

"Hello. Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. This is the Amendment that I explained to you before, which will allow 5% of the registered voters in the school district to request that the school district provide hot lunches for senior citizens. There are three things to 57  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 remember, one the voters has to request it. Two, the school must agree to provide them. These meals will be paid for by the senior citizens, and they would not be in places where there are nutrition centers. Several people came to me and said, 'They'd be in conflict with the nutrition centers'. There are nine towns here in Sangamon County which do not have nutrition centers which would be available. And we thought it was a good idea too, to get the senior citizens into the schools so they understand the referendum. I would appreciate an 'aye' vote on this Amendment."

"Representative Oblinger has moved for the adoption of Amendment #6. On that, the Lady from DuPage, Representative Cowlishaw."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I rise very reluctantly to oppose this Amendment. I would point out to all of you as has been mentioned innumerable times on the floor of this House, that the public schools, in this state, are having great financial difficulties. Now, I think that to impose any noneducational burden upon our public schools is a mistake at anytime, but particularly, now. I would point out to you that what this Amendment states, is that if 5% of the registered voters, in any Illinois school district, requests that this be done, the school district has no choice. It is required to offer lunches to senior citizens in its schools. Now, I would point out to you as well, that there are a good many public schools in this state that have insufficient facilities for serving lunches for the students. In many elementary schools, in particular, the students, there is no facility for preparing hot food, the students have to bring their lunch in a brown bag and have to sit in the gymnasium, because there is no place else for those 58  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 children who belong in that school to eat their lunch. Consequently, I think that what you are doing here is causing an untoward burden upon our public schools. The fact that the school district has no choice in this matter, I think is just... well, I think it's incredible. The other thing that I would point out to you, is that this this Amendment says that the school district... may recover the price, not to exceed the cost of preparing that lunch. If there are any other costs, such as custodial cost for cleaning up after this, for getting out the tables or chairs, or whatever other equipment is needed and putting that away later, those costs under this Amendment, could not be recovered by that local school district. I think we should do everything we can to be of assistance to our senior citizens, but not at this kind of inconvenience and cost to our public schools. Thank you."

Speaker Matijevich: "The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Bullock."

"Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Representative Oblinger should be commended for offering this Amendment. Representative Oblinger goes to great pains with this Amendment to write in necessary safeguards, so that there is not an unnecessary burden placed on the local school district. But more importantly, Representative Oblinger recognizes a unique problem, more particularly, in suburban and rural communities, when it requires that the referendum for local school districts be submitted to the electorate for approval or passage. And in most instances, it is in fact, the senior citizens who are property owners, who are being ask to foot the bill for public education, and who tend not to want to support the public educational system. And so, when she indicates that by merely allowing those taxpayers to use those tax constructed facilities, we 59  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 create good public policy as a secondary objective of the Bill. She's absolutely right, it does indeed allow the school system to show to the taxpayers that they are, in fact, doing a fine job. But the third reason, and most important reason that I'm supporting the Lady's Amendment to the Bill is that she recognizes a major problem in this state, and that problem, quite frankly, is people are hungry. Disproportionately, they are senior citizens, who some of whom are widowed, cannot provide for themselves, and do in fact, need the same nutrition that the young people of this state need for survival. And so I believe, Representative Oblinger should be supported enthusiastically with this Amendment for it goes an awful long way to solving the hunger problem in the state, particularly, from a nutritional basis. And I urge and plead for an 'aye' vote for the Lady's fine Amendment to House Bill 513."

"Representative Mulcahey."

"Question of the Sponsor, Mr. Speaker."

"She indicates she will yield."

"Representative Oblinger, how do you define... It might be a silly question, how do define senior citizens is it 62, 65 or anybody that's retired or what? It's not in the Bill."

"Because it is a nutrition Bill, it would be at age 60, is which the older American's Act provide the nutrition centers."

"Age 60?"

"Yes."

"Thank you."

"Representative Koehler."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House." 60  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983

"Will coach Lucco come here for a moment."

"Would the Sponsor please yield for a question?"

"She indicates she will."

"Thank you, Representative Oblinger. I would like to ask you, what would happen over the summer time when the school would be closed to school classes, would the nutrition continue to operate?"

"No, this is in conformance with the school year."

"It is in conformance with the school year, and would be closed if the school was closed for the summer."

"During their vacation time, and during their summertime."

"During vacations and summertime. What about if they were holding just a short summer school class that would involve maybe only students in remedial programs?"

"Most of the summer school classes, that I'm familiar with, do not provide any school lunches at all. It's usually for a half day."

"Therefore, it is only when school lunches are being provided."

"That's right when they... the regular school lunches are."

"Thank you."

"Representative Oblinger to close."

"Thank you very much. I appreciate the questions that have been asked. I appreciate Representative Bullock's statements. In response to Representative Cowlishaw, the district in which I live has had to discontinue the school lunch program, because they cannot afford to continue it. When I talked to them about this and said there might be twenty to thirty people who would be attending the lunches, and that that might give the additional revenue that they would need in order to keep it open, they said they would 61  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 be willing to try and do it, because that would give them additional revenue. It would not be a drain on them. As I look at it, we have a number of nutrition sites around the state and in some places, there are so few people attending them, because it's so hard to get there, that they are really not physically and financially responsible. This would be one way of providing the lunches, paid for lunches, not something that the school has to give them, and would provide the nutrition that the people need. And I would appreciate an 'aye' vote."

"Representative Oblinger has moved for the adoption of Amendment #6. Those in favor say 'aye', those opposed say 'no'. Those in favor vote 'aye', those in favor signify by voting 'no'. Have all voted? Have all voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are 63 'ayes' 32 'nays', one voting 'present', and Amendment #6 is adopted. Are there further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. And Representative Nelson asks leave that this Bill remain on the Order of Short Debate. Leave? The Bill will so remain. Senate Bill 794, Representative Ebbesen. The Clerk will read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 794, a Bill for an Act to authorize lay persons to administer injections of medicine to victims of severe allergy."

"I've got an idea, why don't you have O'Brien try that word. I think the Chief Clerk can really handle that one real good. He said he's hoarse today."

"A Bill for an Act to authorize lay persons to administer injections of medicine to victims of severe..."

"We'll just continue. We know what you mean." 62  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983

"Allegeric... Oh, I can't... reaction to insect stings and bites."

"Do we have a constitutional problem, he didn't read the... Are there any Committee Amendments? None. Amendments from the floor?"

"No Committee Amendments. Floor Amendment #1, Ebbesen, amends Senate Bill 794, on page one and so forth."

"The Gentleman from DeKalb, Representative Ebbesen, who's going to help you with that now."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Amendment #1 to Senate Bill 794 merely changes the word nurse to registered nurse, technical in nature. I move for the adoption."

"The Gentleman moves for the adoption of Amendment #1. All in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay', and Amendment #1 is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. And Representative Ebbesen asks leave that this Bill remain on the Order of Short Debate. Leave? And it is on Short Debate. Senate Bill 797, Nash. The Clerk will read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 797, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Physical Therapy Licensing Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the floor."

"None."

"Third Reading. Senate Bill 799, Hannig. The Clerk will read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 799, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act in relationship to the payment of disposition of monies. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"None." 63  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983

"Third Reading. Senate Bill 815, Koehler. The Clerk will read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 815, a Bill for an Act to amend the Environmental Protection Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"None."

"Third Reading. Senate Bill 824, Keane. The Clerk will read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 824, a Bill for an Act to amend the Revenue Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"None."

"Third Reading. Senate Bill 831, Keane. The Clerk will read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 831, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act in relationship to simultaneous tenure of certain public officials. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"None."

"Third Reading. Senate Bill 834, McGann. The Clerk will read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 834, a Bill for an Act to amend the Revenue Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"Floor Amendment #1, McGann, amends Senate Bill 834, on page one and so forth."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative McGann, on Amendment #1."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. In 64  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 regards to Amendment #1 to Senate Bill 834. It's a technical Amendment in nature. It's presented by the Assessors Office and I would appreciate an 'aye' vote for it."

"Representative McGann moves for the adoption of Amendment #1. Those in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay', and Amendment #1 is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. And Representative McGann asks leave that this Bill remain on the Order of Short Debate. Leave? And it is on Short Debate. Senate Bill 835, McGann. The Clerk will read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 835, a Bill for an Act to amend the Revenue Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"Floor Amendment #1, Oblinger - Curran - Vinson, amends Senate Bill 835, on page one and so forth."

"Representative Oblinger on Amendment #1."

"Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, I wish all of you would listen very carefully, because this is going to happen in your district. HUD makes grants for low income housing. Our community action agency here was awarded a grant for 56 units of low senior citizen housing. The land has been purchased. The villages, in which the land is located, have donated additional land. The architect's plans have been accepted, and all of a sudden HUD changed its rules and regulations, and you probably will have this same problem. All of a sudden they said you have to show that the property taxes will be abated. In order to answer this question, we went to a number of other states to see how they handled it. Michigan had the best way of doing it, and we have adopted the Michigan law. It abates the 65  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 property taxes for not-for-profit groups providing housing. But, in addition, it allows a service charge to be charged by the county equaled not to exceed the amount of the property taxes. And the county is instructed to divide those service charges, proportionately, amongst all the local governmental units. So they actually do not lose anything, but it is in conformity with the HUD regulations. I'd be glad to try and answer any questions."

"Representative Oblinger has moved the adoption of Amendment #1 to Senate Bill 835. There's no discussion. All those in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay', and Amendment #1 is adopted. Are there further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. And Representative McGann asks leave that this Bill remain on the Order of Short Debate. Leave, and the Bill is on Short Debate. House (sic - Senate) Bill 836, McGann. Read the Bill."

"House (sic - Senate) Bill 836, a Bill for an Act to amend the Revenue Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"Floor Amendment #1, McGann, amends Senate Bill 836."

"Representative McGann on Amendment #1."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the Assembly. Once again, this Amendment to Senate Bill 836 is technical in nature. It actually just has an effective date of January 1, 1984. Appreciate passage."

"Representative McGann moves for the adoption of Amendment #1. All those in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay', and Amendment #1 is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments." 66  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983

"Third Reading. And Representative McGann asks leave that this Bill remain on the Order of Short Debate. Leave? The Bill remains on Short Debate. Senate Bill 858. Read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 858, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Professional Engineering Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"None."

"Third Reading. Senate Bill 863, Yourell. Read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 863, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Library Systems Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"Floor Amendment #1, Yourell, amends Senate Bill 863, on page one and so forth."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Yourell, on Amendment #1. Senate Bill 863."

"Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker. I ask leave to withdraw Amendment #1 to House (sic - Senate) Bill 863."

"Leave to withdraw Amendment #1. Leave, and Amendment #1 is withdrawn. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Senate Bill 879, Representative Klemm. Out of the record. Senate Bill 887, Reilly. Where is Jim? Read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 887, a Bill for an Act to amend the Child Care Act. Second Reading. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"None."

"Third Reading. Senate Bill 895, Hutchins. Read the Bill." 67  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983

"Senate Bill 895, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act to revise the law in relationship to clerks of the court. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"None."

"Third Reading. Representative... 896. Senate Bill 896, Johnson. Read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 896, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Marriage and Dissolution of Marriage Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"None."

"Third Reading. Senate Bill 903, McGann - Doyle. Read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 903, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Vehicle Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"Floor Amendment #1, Cullerton, amends Senate Bill 903 as amended."

"The Gentleman from Cook, Representative Cullerton, on Amendment #1 to Senate Bill 903."

"Yes, this Amendment is agreed to by the Sponsors of the Bill. It prohibits placing trash into the state road side rest areas from a place of business. I would ask for the adoption of Amendment #1."

"Representative Cullerton moves for the adoption of Amendment #1. Those in favor signify by saying 'aye', opposed 'nay'. Those say 'aye', those opposed say 'nay', and Amendment #1 is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. And Representative McGann asks leave that this Bill remain on the Order of Short 68  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 Debate. Leave, and it is on Short Debate. Representative... Senate Bill 910, Harris. The Clerk will read the Bill."

Clerk Leone: "Senate Bill 910, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act in relationship to the regulation and maintenance of levels of Lake Michigan and diversions of apportionment of water of the Lake Michigan watershed. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

Speaker Matijevich: "Amendments from the floor?"

Clerk Leone: "Floor Amendment #1, Cullerton, amends Senate Bill 910 on..."

Speaker Matijevich: "Is Representative Harris back there? I called the Bill, and I don't see him back there. Is Representative Harris back there? Yes, He's here. Okay. Representative Cullerton on Amendment #1."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would ask leave to withdraw Amendment #1."

Speaker Matijevich: "Leave to withdraw Amendment #1. Further Amendments?"

Clerk Leone: "Floor Amendment #2, Cullerton, amends Senate Bill 910 in the House."

Speaker Matijevich: "Representative Cullerton on Amendment #2."

"Yes, This is a very simple Amendment. It changes the number ninety to the number sixty. It effects the number of days necessary before a public hearing must be held after an emergency allocation of water has been made. And this, I understand, is agreed to by the proponents..."

Speaker Matijevich: "Representative Cullerton moves for the adoption of Amendment #2. Those in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay', and Amendment #2 is adopted. Further Amendments?"

Clerk Leone: "No further Amendments."

Speaker Matijevich: "No further Amendments, and the Sponsor asks 69  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 leave that Senate Bill 910 remain on the Order of Short Debate. Leave, and the Bill will sc remain. Senate Bill 919, Steczo. Read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 919, a Bill for an Act to amend the Revenue Act. Second Reading of the Bill."

"One moment. On Senate Bill 910, I failed to say Third Reading. Senate Bill 910, there were no further Amendments. Third Reading. Senate Bill 919. Proceed. Were there any Floor Amendments?"

"Senate Bill 919, Floor Amendment #1, Steczo, amends Senate Bill 919 on page one and sc forth."

"Representative Steczo on Amendment #1."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. Amendment #1 to Senate Bill 919 is the exact same language that the House... that House Bill 1855 contained. And what it does is it seeks to clarify a tax exempt status on property that is faced by certain park districts in the state. What happens under a law that was passed in 1975, a few years ago, was extended to include school and community college districts, but the law was worded in a sense that certain properties owned and operated by... certain properties owned and operated by park districts are with a view toward profit are actually being held assessable by county boards. So this Amendment simply seeks to clarify the tax exempt status of those park district properties, and would move for the adoption of Amendment #1."

"Representative Steczo moves the adoption of Amendment #1. Those in favor say 'aye', opposed 'nay', and Amendment #1 is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. And Representative Steczo asks leave that this Bill remain on the Order of Short Debate. Leave, and it will remain on Short Debate." 70  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 Senate Bill 924, Neff - Flinn. The Clerk will read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 924, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Vehicle Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Senate Bill 92... 933, Hicks. Clerk will read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 933, a Bill for an Act requiring the Department of Agriculture to promote the use of gasohol. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"None."

"Third Reading. Senate Bill 850, Ron Wait. The Clerk will read... Is Wait here? Ron Wait. Is Ron Wait in the Assembly? Out of the record. Senate... Is he here? Out of the record. Senate Bill 853, Karpiel. Read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 853..."

"Out of the record. I'm sorry, 953. Read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 953, a Bill for an Act to amend certain Acts in relationship to the Department of Law Enforcement. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"None."

"Third Reading. Representative... Representative Bea on Senate Bill 966. The Clerk will read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 966, a Bill for an Act to amend the 71  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 Revenue Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"None."

"No Amendments from the floor. There has been a request for a fiscal note. The Bill will remain on Second Reading until the Fiscal Note Act has been complied with. Senate Bill 1009, Representative Brummer. The Clerk will read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 1009, a Bill for an Act to amend the Public Community College Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"None."

"Third Reading. Senate Bill 1010, Hicks. The Clerk will read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 1010, a Bill for an Act to amend the Civil Administrative Code of Illinois. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"None."

"Third Reading. Senate Bill 1012, Nash. Is Representative Nash on the floor? Representative Nash. Out of the record. Senate Bill 1013, Bruns vold. The Clerk will read the Bill. Just a minute. He's here. Read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 1013, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Antitrust Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading."

"No Motions filed." 72  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983

"No Motions filed. No Amendments from the floor. Third Reading. Senate Bill 1015, Younge. The Clerk will read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 1015, a Bill for an Act to create the Illinois Youth Conservation Corp. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Were there any Motions... Was there any Committee Amendments?"

"No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"None."

"Third Reading. Senate Bill 1026, Mautino. Is Dick back there? The Clerk will read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 1026, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act to create the small business division of the Department of Commerce and Community Affairs. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"None."

"Third Reading. Senate Bill 1030, Hicks. The Clerk will read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 1030, a Bill for an Act to amend the Small Town Commercial Zone Improvements Act, and the Civil Administrative Code of Illinois. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"Floor Amendment #2, Hicks, amends Senate Bill 1030 on page one and so forth."

"Representative Hicks on Amendment #2."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, I'd like to withdraw Amendment #2, please." 73  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983

"Leave to withdraw Amendment #2. Leave? Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #3, Hicks, amends Senate Bill 1030 as amended."

"Representative Hicks on Amendment #3."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, Amendment #3 is a... somewhat of a technical Amendment. It changes from 100,000 population to 50,000 population to take in what the federal funds will allow. And also, the rest of the Amendment then, simply clears up the language and the technical parts of it, due to that, changing from a 100 to 50,000. I'd ask for adoption."

"Representative Hicks has moved for the adoption of Amendment #3. Representative Fiel, are you seeking attention? Your light on. Representative Fiel. Representative Hicks has moved for the adoption of Amendment #3. Those in favor say 'aye', those opposed say 'no'. Amendment #3 is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"No further Amendments. Mr. Clerk, is there a request for a fiscal note on this Bill?"

"Fiscal note is requested by Representative Hoffman."

"Alright. The Bill will remain on Second Reading till the Fiscal Note Act has been complied with. Senate Bill 1031, Terzich. Is Representative Terzich on the floor? Terzich is on the Republican side of the aisle. Read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 1031, a Bill for an Act to amend the Boundary Street Commercial Zone Renovation Act, and the Civil Administrative Code of Illinois. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the floor?" 74  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983

"No Floor Amendments."

"No Floor Amendments, and there has been a fiscal note requested. The Bill will remain on Second Reading. Fiscal Note. Until the the fiscal note has been complied with. Senate Bill 1040, Steczo. The Clerk will read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 1040, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act to revise the law in relationship to counties. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"Floor Amendment #1, Saltsman, amends Senate Bill 1040 on page one and so forth."

"The Gentleman from Peoria, Representative Saltsman, on Amendment #1."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, I'd like to withdraw Amendment #1. We also have Amendment #2, don't we, Mr. Clerk?"

"Leave to withdraw Amendment #1. Leave. Further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2, Saltsman, amends Senate Bill 1040 on page one and so forth."

"Representative Saltsman on Amendment #2."

"Yes, this Amendment was drafted to satisfy the Republican side of the aisle."

"Representative Saltsman moves for the adoption of Amendment #2. Representative Greiman on Amendment #2."

"I wondered if this were germane, Mr. Speaker?"

"We'll check with the Parliamentarian. The Parliamentarian rules that the Amendment is germane. Representative Saltsman has moved for the adoption of Amendment #2. Those in favor say 'aye', those opposed 'no', and Amendment #2 is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments." 75  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983

"Third Reading. And Leave that this Bill remain on the Order of Short Debate. Leave, and the Bill will so remain. Leave to return to Senate Bill 1012. Representative Nash was right outside the chamber when that was taken out. Leave, Senate Bill 1012. Read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 1012, a Bill for an Act in relationship to the protection of patents. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"Floor Amendment #2, Terzich - Nash, amends Senate Bill 1012 by deleting the title, inserting the word as follows."

"Representative Terzich on Amendment #2. This is Representative Nash's Bill. We caught you, Terzich. Representative Terzich has so many Amendments he can't keep track of them. Your mike is on. Representative Nash, do you have a copy of the Amendment?"

"I've been advised, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Amendment #2 just permits to get a second opinion from the Attorney General."

"I see. Representative Nash and Terzich move for the adoption of Amendment #2. Those in favor say 'aye'. Representative Vinson on Amendment #2. This is the third..."

"Mr. Speaker, I question the germaneness of Amendment #2."

"Alright, we'll check it out."

"Mr. Speaker, I am advised that Amendment #1 is adopted to Senate Bill 1012, that Amendment #1 created an Act to assist small business innovators to determine the suitability of new inventions for patent rights. And that 76  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 Amendment #2, which is now offered in conjunction with this Bill, would create an Act relating to various powers and duties of the Attorney General. You know, it certainly seems to me, that the Attorney General and small business innovators are just quote in subject."

"Representative Vinson, let's shorten this. The Parliamentarian has looked at the Amendment, and you are in order. The Amendment is not germane."

"Thank you, Sir."

"Are there further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Senate Bill 1072, Giorgi - Nash. The Clerk will read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 1072, a Bill for an Act to amend the Election Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"None."

"Third Reading. Leave of the House that we take the Bill, Senate Bill 1075 out of the record temporarily. The Sponsor would like to return to it, but he's checking something out with the other side, I believe. 1075 out of the record. Senate Bill 1109. Representative Ronan in the Assembly? Leave this Bill temporarily... Here he is. Representative Ronan. Read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 1109, a Bill for an Act to amend the Vehicle Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"None."

"Third Reading. Senate Bill 1111, Representative Mays. Is Representative Mays here? There he is on the Democratic side. Read the Bill." 77  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983

"Senate Bill 1111, a Bill for an Act creating the Illinois Department of Veterans Affairs. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Senate Bill 1127, Rea - Ralph Dunn. Read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 1127, a Bill for an Act to provide for the financial support of coal research demonstration and commercialization activities. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"None."

"Third Reading. Senate Bill 1156, Mautino. The Clerk will read the Bill. Mautino - Tate."

"Senate Bill 1156, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act regarding the State Fire Marshal and an Act relating to investigation and prevention of fire. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"Floor Amendment #1, Mautino, amends Senate Bill 1156 on page two and so forth."

"The Gentleman from Bureau, Representative Mautino, on Amendment #1."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to address Amendment #1. I have a copy, but I don't think it's on the Members desks. I'm not certain if it has been printed or not."

"Has Amendment #1 been distributed, Mr. Clerk. It has not. Out of the record. Senate Bill 1160, Giorgi. The Clerk will read the Bill." 78  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983

"Senate Bill 1160, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act in relationship to the insolvency of group self insurer. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Is there Amendments from the floor?"

"No Motions filed. Floor Amendment #2, Davis, amends Senate Bill 1160 on page one and so forth."

"Representative Davis on Amendment #2."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. Amendment #2 offers an inclusion of the Chicago Police, and the Chicago Firemen under the Workers' Compensation Act of Illinois. It also exempts the Bill from the State Mandates Act, so that the city would bare the increased cost, or the cost of workers compensation for these two groups. We've had this Amendment before. We've seen it before. Our side is in agreement with the Amendment that they should be covered, they're being paid now, and their workers comp claim is out of their pension funds, they should be included. And the firefighters and police officers of the city of Chicago want this. We concur with that, and we offer this Amendment for your consideration, and I move its adoption."

"Representative Davis moves for the adoption of Amendment #2 to Senate Bill 1160. Those in favor say 'aye', those opposed 'no', and Amendment #2 is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. And Representative Giorgi asks leave that this Bill remain on the Order of Short Debate. Leave? Leave. Oops, objection? Take it off. It's off of Short Debate. Senate Bill 1176, Winchester. The Clerk will read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 1176, a Bill for an Act to amend the 79  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 Illinois Vehicle Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1..."

"One moment, I... Did I say Third Reading on 1160? I did, didn't I? Senate Bill 1160. Third Reading, but it is off Short Debate. 1176, Winchester."

"...Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Has the fis... fiscal note has been filed, correct? Third Reading. Senate Bill 1185, Karpiel. The Clerk will read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 1185, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act to revise the law in relationship to counties. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"None."

"Third Reading. Senate Bill 1187, Reilly. The Clerk will read the Bill."

"Senate Bill 1187, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act in relationship to metabolic screening and treatment. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Amendments from the floor?"

"None."

"Third Reading. Representative Yourell in the chair."

"Appearing on the Order of Second Reading Short Debate is House Bill (sic - Senate Bill) 1196. Representative Neff. The Gentleman in the chamber? Senate Bill. Representative Neff. Out of the record. On the Order of Second Reading Short Debate appears Senate Bill 1199. Klemm. Representative Klemm. Out of the record. 80  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 Appearing on the Order of Second Reading Short Debate is House Bill 120...Senate Bill 1203. Representative LeFlore. Out of the record. Representative LeFlore. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 1203, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Municipal Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Are there any Motions?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Appearing on the Order of Second Reading Short Debate is Senate Bill 1218. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 1218, a Bill for an Act to amend the Election Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions?"

"No Motions filed."

"Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Appearing on the Order of Second Reading Short Debate is Senate Bill 1238. Out of the record. Order of Second Reading Short Debate appears Senate Bill 1239. Representative Jaffe, you want the Bill called? Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 1239, a Bill for an Act to amend the Criminal Code, and an Act relating to firearms. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"None."

"Third Reading. Appearing on the Order of Second Reading Short Debate is Senate Bill 1254. 81  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 Representative Satterthwaite, you want the Bill called? Representative Satterthwaite. Senate Bill 1254. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 1254, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act relating to the Department of Mental Health and Developmental Disabilities. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Backing up to Senate Bill 1196. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 1196, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Vehicle Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Appearing on the Order of Second Reading Short Debate is Senate Bill 1263. Gentleman on the Floor? Out of the record. Appearing on the Order of Second Reading Short Debate is Senate Bill 1268. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 1268, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Income Tax Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Appearing on the Order of 82  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 Second Reading Short Debate is Senate Bill 1277. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 1277, a Bill for an Act to amend the Election Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Appearing on the Order of Second Reading Short Debate is Senate Bill 1310. Satterthwaite, do you want the Bill called? Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 1310, a Bill for an Act in relationship to community support systems for the chronically mentally ill. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"Motion. I move to table Amendment #1 to Senate Bill 1310 by Representative Satterthwaite."

"Representative Satterthwaite."

"Mr. Speaker, we found that there was a technical error in Amendment #1. We have filed Amendment #2 which is technically correct, and I therefore, would move to table Amendment #1."

"Leave to table Amendment #1? Leave is granted. Are there further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2, Satterthwaite, amends Senate Bill 1310 on page one..."

"Representative Satterthwaite."

"This is the same substance as the Amendment that was placed on the Bill in Committee, although, it is now technically correct. And I urge its adoption." 83  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983

"The Lady has moved the passage of Amendment #2 . to Senate Bill 1310. All those in favor will say 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Appearing on the Order of Second Reading Short Debate is... Pardon me? Is... Leave granted for the Bill to remain on Short Debate? Leave is granted. Appearing on the Order of Second Reading Short Debate is Senate Bill 1313. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 1313, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act in relationship to the Chicago Park District. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #1, Farley, amends Senate Bill 1313 on page one and so forth."

"Representative Farley, Amendment #1. For what reason does the...Representative Piel arise?"

"Question of the Clerk. Has this been distributed, Mr. Speaker?"

"Amendment been distributed, Mr. Clerk? Out of the record. Appearing on the Order of Second Reading Short Debate is Senate Bill 1315. Representative Brummer, you want the Bill called? The Gentleman in the chamber? Out of the record. Appearing on the Order of Second Reading Short Debate is Senate Bill 1318. Representative Mulcahey. The Gentleman in the chamber? Out of the record. Appearing on the Order of Second Reading Short Debate is Senate Bill 1349. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 1349, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act 84  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 in relationship to child abuse prevention and shelters and multidisciplinary teams. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2, Hastert, amends Senate Bill 1349 as amended."

"Representative Hastert."

"Mr. Chairman, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, Amendment #2 simply changes the effective date, and is a technical Amendment."

"The Gentleman moves the passage of Amendment #1...Amendment #2 to Senate Bill 1318 (sic - 1349). All those in favor say 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Are there further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. The Gentleman asks leave to have this Bill remain on Short Debate. Leave is granted. Appearing on the Order of Second Reading Short Debate is Senate Bill 1354. Mr. McGann, do you want this Bill called? Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 1354, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act relating to the Department of Mental Health and Developmental Disabilities. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"None."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"None." 85  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983

"Third Reading. The Gentleman asks leave to have the Bill remain on Short Debate. Leave is granted. Appearing on the Ord... that's... On page 18, Senate Bills Second Reading. Senate Bill 2. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill #2, a Bill for an Act concerning public utilities. Second Reading of the Bill."

"Any Committee Amendments?"

"No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"None."

"Third Reading. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading is Senate Bill 22. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 22, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Pension Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"None."

"Third Reading. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading is Senate Bill 23. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 23, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Pension Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"None."

"Third Reading. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading is Senate Bill 25. Representative Levin, want this Bill called? Out of the record. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading is Senate Bill 27, Representative McPike. Read the Bill." 86  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983

"Senate Bill 27, a Bill for an Act to amend the Wildlife Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"None."

"Third Reading. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading is Senate Bill 29, Representative Flinn. Slape. Representative Slape, you want to handle this? Senate Bill 29. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 29, a Bill for an Act to amend the Bingo License and Tax Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 lost in Committee. Amendments #2, 3 and 4 were adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Appearing on the Order of Second Reading Senate Bills Second Reading is Senate Bill 30. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 30, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #1, Hoffman, amends Senate Bill 30 on page one and so forth."

"Representative Hoffman, Amendment #1. Was that his Amendment?"

"Yes."

"Representative Hoffman."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. First I would inquire if the Amendment had been distributed?" 87  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983

"Has the Amendment been distributed? No. Out of the record. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading is Senate Bill 37. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 37, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act in relationship to criminal identification investigation. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"None."

"Third Reading. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading is Senate Bill 47. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 47, a Bill for an Act to amend the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"None."

"Third Reading. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading is Senate Bill 53. Representative Nash. Mr. Cullerton, do you want to handle that for Representative Nash? Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 53, a Bill for an Act removing State Income Tax and Wage Law impediments to ridesharing. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"None."

"Third Reading. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading is Senate Bill 66. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 66, a Bill for an Act concerning Judges. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions filed?" 88  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Appearing on the Order of Second Reading... Senate Bills Second Reading is Senate Bill 89. Stuffle, want your Bill called? Out of the record. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading is Senate Bill 97. Representative Brummer. 97. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 97, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Revenue Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2, Brummer."

"Representative Brummer, Amendment #2 to Senate Bill 97. Representative Piel."

"Yes, has this Amendment been distributed, please?"

"Mr. Clerk, has Amendment been distributed? Yes, it has. Representative Brummer."

"Yes, I think the Clerk had indicated that Amendment #1 was adopted inCommitte."

"Is correct." Brummer: "I think we'd gone through this on Second Reading on the floor, previously. I... At least there was another Floor Amendment that should have been offered."

"Amendment #1 was adopted, previously, on the floor."

"Okay, thank you. Amendment #2 provides that the medium level of assessment notice that goes on the notice to the taxpayer, with regard to a change in assessment, shall be adjusted to take into account any changes in the assessment 89  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 levels implemented since the data for such studies were collected. I am advised that this Amendment was...this language in this Amendment was appproved and requested by Dale Young with the Illinois Department of Revenue."

"Is there any discussion? Being no discussion, the Gentleman has moved for passage of Amendment #2 to Senate Bill 97. All those in favor will say 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Are there further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading is Senate Bill 99. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 99, a Bill for an Act in relation to the property tax homestead exemption. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #1, Terzich - Capparelli."

"Representative Terzich Amendment #2."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, Amendment #2..."

"Excuse me, Representative Terzich. For what reason does Representative Keane arise?"

"Has the Amendment been distributed?"

"Mr. Clerk? Yes, it has."

"I don't have a copy of it. Could you take this out, and then we'll come back to it?"

"Representative Terzich."

"Well, if he wants to take it out, it's alright with me."

"Fine, thank you."

"Thank you."

"Out of the record. Appearing on the Order of 90  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 Senate Bills Second Reading is Senate Bill 107. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 107, a Bill for an Act to amend the township law. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"None."

"Third Reading. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading is Senate Bill 124. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 124, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of The School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading is Senate Bill 125. Representative McAuliffe. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 125, a Bill for an Act to amend the Unified Code of Corrections and the Illinois Vehicle Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #1, Cullerton."

"Representative Cullerton. Amendment #1 to Senate Bill 125."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this Bill would require that if a person is convicted of a second DUI, that is driving under the influence conviction, if they're convicted of a DUI offense within five years, that the minimum term imprisonment shall be either ten days of community service or forty-eight hours in jail. Because the Bill would require this two day period to be served in a county jail, and since we in the state are mandating this 91  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 county expense, the Amendment makes it clear that the state shall reimburse the county for the cost of housing those particular prisoners. So, I'd move for the adoption of the Amendment."

"The Gentleman has moved for the adoption of Amendment #1 to Senate Bill 125. Is there discussion? Representative McAuliffe."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I would rise in opposition to Amendment #1. The county's already collecting all the fines for these drunk driving convictions, and I don't believe that the state should reimburse them for the time that the... that these people spend in jail. And I would stand in opposition to Amendment #1."

"Is there further discussion? Representative Cullerton, do you wish to close?"

"Yes."

"Just a moment. For what reason does Representative McCracken arise?"

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I, also, rise in opposition to the Amendment, as being unnecessary and unwise public policy. As Representative McAuliffe has already stated, the counties are getting the benefit of the fines involved and have the duty to retain prisoners convicted of misdemeanors in the absence of their being sent to a misde... misdemeanor penitentiary conducted by the state. There is no precedent for the necessity of reimbursement for the county doing its duty. As a matter of fact, there have been prior required or mandatory sentences for misdemeanor offenses, and this has not existed in the law prior thereto. There's been no statement that this is a necessity. We have no statement from the local authorities that they need to be reimbursed for this purpose or that 92  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 there indeed... or that there indeed is a... an incremental increase based on the number of prisoners in the population at any one time. I oppose the Amendment."

"Representative Wolf."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, has this Amendment been distributed?"

"Yes, it has. Is there further discussion? Representative Vinson."

"Mr. Speaker, I rise in opposition to this Amendment. It would be extraordinarily costly for the State of Illinois at a time when the budget is pushed right to the wall. This is simply another nail in the coffin of a tax increase. I don't believe we need that, and I don't need... I don't believe we need to be creating the legislative record that justifies that. And so, I would urge a 'no' vote in regard to this Amendment."

"Is there further discussion? Representative Jaffe. Representative Jaffe."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, I rise in support of the Amendment. I think the Amendment is a good Amendment. You know, we in the House always like to pass these law... tough law and order Bills, yet, when it comes to picking up the tab, we never want to pick up the tab. Now, if the Gentlemen on the other side of the aisle, in fact, want to pass this Bill, we ought to at least say that we're going to pick up the tab. If we're not going to pick up the tab, we ought not be so foolish as to pretend that we're going to do something when, in fact, we're not doing it. So, I would support the Amendment. I think it's a good Amendment, and I think everyone should vote for it."

"Representative Giorgi."

"Mr. Speaker, counties have been crying for help for years on this issue. Many times counties have had to house people - prisoners, and it's costing quite a bit of money, 93  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 and many times have had to borrow to pay these Bills. I think this is a fair Amendment and ought to be adopted. I think counties have been telling us for years, 'Give us some relief. We need some help with our Bills. You're creating more problems for us, more liabilites for us.' They've been crying to this Assembly for years. We ought to support... heed their cries and support this Amendment."

"Further discussion? ( There being no further discussion, Representative Cullerton to close."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Some interesting points have been raised by the opponents of this Amendment. Number one, it was noted that the fines that are collected, go to the counties. That's true. The fines that are collected in criminal cases go to counties. They are a very small amount of money when compared to the expenses that the county goes through to convict people. The county pays for the jail. The county pays for the wardens and the prison guards. The county pays for the court rooms. The county pays for the clerks, for the sheriffs and the baliffs. I believe in Cook County, the Cook County budget is something like 75% of the budget goes to the criminal justice or the court system. So, if we want to make a trade where the state gets the fines, and the... but the state pays for the jails, et cetera, the state's going to lose out in that deal. Now, what we're saying with this Bill is that we're going to mandate a prison time in county jails, but the state's not going to pay for it. The counties have jails that are incredibly overcrowded, just like the state jails are overcrowded. In Cook County, there's... they're under court order to stop double celling and to do something to get the prisons to be less crowded. The sheriff, himself, 94  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 might be the one to go to jail if he doesn't do it. And yet, on... with given this situation, we down here in Springfield say, 'We're going to mandate that more people are going to be sent, not to the state penitentiary, but to the county jails.' Representative Vinson said this is going to be, I believe the word used was, incredibly costly. Well, if it's going to be incredibly costly to the state, it's got to be incredibly costly to the counties. He said that it's going to require an income tax increase to help pay for it. The counties can't institute an income tax increase. It's clear that the responsibility should be with the state. Now, perhaps, the way this can be funded would be through an increase in the tax on liquor which might be an appropriate tax to pay for the housing of people who are charged and convicted of drunk driving. I would, perhaps, support such an Amendment or such a Bill. But what we're saying with this Bill is that the counties have to pick up the cost of housing people who are going to be incarcerated when the counties can't afford to maintain their jails right now. It's clear it's the state's responsibility. We are the one that is imposing the obligation, and it's about time we start paying our fair share. For that reason, I submit, we should vote 'aye' for this Amendment."

"The question is, 'Shall Amendment #1 to Senate Bill 125 pass?' All those in favor will say 'aye', all those in favor will vote 'aye', those opposed will vote 'no'. The voting is open. Representative Homer to explain his vote."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen. I rise to oppose this Amendment and would encourage other Members to so oppose. What we have in the State of Illinois is a long standing agreement between counties and state, 95  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 83rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 whereby, the state pays for the incarceration of state prisoners and the county pays for the incarceration of county prisoners. Any individual who is sentenced to a minimum of 60 days as a result of a misdemeanor can be sentenced to the Department of Corrections and be paid for by the State of Illinois. The state pays many local expenses. The state picks up two-thirds of the salary of the state's attorney, and in other cases, pays for an assistant state's attorney in each of the counties. The state is paying its fair share. I would also ask you to consider whether or not we could even determine what the actual cost of incarcerating a prisoner in a county jail would be. Certainly, there are certain fixed costs. There are other variable costs. It may, in fact, cost the county more to try to establish what the costs are by elaborate accounting procedures than they would benefit in terms of any reimbursement. I would, therefore, urge your 'no' vote."

"On this question... take the... take the record, Mr. Clerk. On this question, there are 43 voting 'aye', 59 voting 'no', and the Amendment fails. Are there further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Backing up to Senate Bill 99, Representative Terzich on Amendment #1. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 99, a Bill for an Act in relation to property tax homestead exemption. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #1, Terzich - Capparelli."

"Representative Terzich."

"Well, yes, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the 96  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 House, Amendment #1 to Senate Bill 99 is a very justifiable Amendment, since the legislation that the House overwhelmingly approved and sent over to the Senate did not receive this proper hearing at the... in the Senate Committee. Senate Amendment #1... House Amendment #1 to Senate Bill 99 offers property tax relief to the people of the State of Illinois. What it does, it increases the general homestead exemption from 3,000 dollars to 4,500 dollars, effective at the 1984 assessment year. Also, it increases the senior citizens homestead exemption from 1,500 to 2,000 dollars which is approximately a savings of about 35 dollars a year and, also, increases the homestead improvement exemption from 25,000 to 30,000 state-wide for the 1984 assessment year. And again, this multiplied by inflation, beginning with the 1985 and subsequent years, and it, also, excludes the state mandate under this provision. The people of the State of Illinois need this and would appreciate your support for Amendment #1."

"Is there discussion? The Gentleman from Kendall, Representative Hastert."

"Mr. Speaker, just a question to the Sponsor."

"The Gentleman indicates he'll yield."

"Mr. Terzich, is this increase the annual homestead exemption for all..."

"Yes, it does."

"... for all people?"

"Through the State of Illinois. That's correct."

"All people in the State of Illinois?"

"That's correct."

"From what to what again?"

"From 3,000 to 4,500 dollars effective with the 1984 assessment year."

"All right, and that really kind of changes the Bill 97  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 significantly, doesn't it?"

"There's a change in the Bill, yes, Representative Hastert. We went through this before when..."

"We sure have."

"... House Bill 17."

"Is this... is this... do you know what the fiscal impact is?"

"Yes, the physical (sic - fiscal) impact on this is the same as it was on House Bill 17. Increasing from 4,500 dollars the average residential Bill savings would be approximately 110 dollars. Property taxes could be reduced by 251 million dollars for the people of the State of Illinois - for the home owner."

"Well, doesn't this, in fact, have other exemptions more than 17 does? It's got..."

"Yes, I mentioned that it includes Bills that we passed out of the House, which is 17, 24 and Representative Capparelli..."

"It's kind of an omnibus exemption, right?"

"Yes. Call it good legislation. That's right, Representative."

"Thank you."

"Representative Braun."

"A question of the Sponsor. Represent..."

"The Gentleman indicates he'll yield."

"Yes."

"Representative Terzich, we are going to be called upon to vote on income tax increases, and gas tax increases and other tax increases, and if I understand you, you're talking about, in this legislation, a decrease in the property tax base of two hundred and what million?"

"Two hundred and fifty-one million dollars in 1985. We did hold it back one additional year for the economic 98  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 recovery."

"Representative Terzich, do you con... do you consider it appropriate to reduce property taxes by that amount at the same time we can't afford to pay for anything in this state, and we're on the verge of bankruptcy?"

"I certainly do, Representative. Certainly. I think that the property tax owners of the State of Illinois deserve this type of legislation, in addition that it was deferred one additional year, so it wouldn't be for this year or next year. It would be the subsequent year. Not everyone would partake. This would only be an extension of the old 'Hynes' Amendment Bill that has been working very, very successfully through the State of Illinois. At the same time, if that there is a position that we do vote for some type of additional taxes, that we should be able to show the property owner in the State of Illinois a proper adjustment in the same thing. If... if the Governor doesn't feel that this is necessary, he would certainly veto such a Bill."

"Thank you, Representative."

"Is there further discussion? There being no further discussion, Representative Terzich to close."

"This is a very good Amendment. Vote 'aye'."

"The question is, 'Shall Amendment #1 to Senate Bill 99 be adopted'. All those in favor will say 'aye', all those in favor will vote 'aye', those opposed will vote 'no'. The voting is open. Yourell 'aye'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Take the record, Mr. Clerk. On this question, there are 45 voting 'yes', 48 voting 'no'. Representative Terzich."

"Now, Mr. Speaker, certainly, there are some good Democrats out of the ones that... I would like to poll the 99  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 absentees."

"Poll the absentees, Mr. Clerk."

"Poll of the Absentees. Bowman."

"Just a moment, Mr. Clerk. Representative Alexander wants to be recorded as voting 'no'. Representative Brookins wants to be recorded as voting 'aye'... 'no', 'no'. Sorry about that. Proceed with a call of the absentees."

"Bowman, Cullerton, Currie, DeJaegher, Greiman, Harris, Jaffe, LeFlore, Levin, McPike, Oblinger, Panayotovich, Pierce, Preston, Rhem, Taylor, Younge and Mr. Speaker."

"Levin 'aye'. Representative Greiman 'aye'. Representative DeJaegher 'aye'. Representative Taylor 'aye'. Representative Frederick 'no'? 'No'. Representative Brunsvold 'aye'. Representative Homer 'aye'. Representative Frederick is 'no'."

"Virginia Frederick 'no'."

"DeJaegher, Brunsvold, Homer... Taylor 'aye'. You got him? Representative Frederick from 'aye' to 'no'."

"Who was after Frederick?"

"Representative Marzuki."

"Change me to 'aye'."

"Representative Marzuki, did you wish to vote?"

"Yes, change me to 'aye'."

"Representative Marzuki votes 'aye'. Representative LeFlore. Representative LeFlore, what? I didn't hear you."

"Voting 'no'."

"Representative LeFlore, record him as 'aye'... I mean 'no'. Any other changes? Representative Brunsvold, you wanted to be recorded as 'aye'. Is that correct? Representative Brunsvold 'aye'. Representative Homer from 100  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 'no' to 'aye'. Representative Preston. Record him as 'aye'. Well, what's the... what's the count, Mr. Clerk. Representative Huff."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, change me... my 'present' vote to a 'no'."

"Change Representative Huff from 'present' to 'no'. On this question... Representative Cullerton."

"To vote 'aye'."

"How's the Gentleman recorded? Not voting? Record the Gentleman as voting 'aye'. What's the... what's the... Representative Rice from 'present' to 'no'. What's the count, Mr. Clerk. Representative Rhem. How's the Gentleman recorded?"

"The Gentleman's recorded as not voting."

"Record him as voting 'no'. Representative Hutchins? I can't hear you, Sir."

"From 'present' to 'no'."

"From 'present' to 'no'. Record Representative Madigan as 'aye'. On this question, there are 54 voting 'aye', 54 voting 'no'. Representative Terzich."

"Representative Doyle, I think wants to vote..."

"Representative Doyle votes 'aye'. Representative Hawkinson... Harris."

"Record me... record me as 'no', Mr. Speaker."

"Record the Gentleman as 'no'. Representative Harris. Representative Terzich."

"Verification of the negative."

"On this question, there are 55 voting 'yes' and 55 voting 'no'. Verify the negative."

"Alexander, Barger..."

"Excuse me. Representative Piel, for what reason do you rise?"

"Leave to be verified, Mr. Speaker." 101  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983

"The Gentleman asks leave to be verified. Leave is granted. Proceed with the verification, Mr. Clerk."

"Birkinbine, Braun, Brookins, Churchill, Cowlishaw, Daniels, Davis, Deuchler, Didrickson, Ralph Dunn, Ebbesen, Ewing, Virginia Frederick, Dwight Friedrich, Hallock, Harris, Hastert, Hawkinson, Hensel, Hoffman, Huff, Hutchins, Johnson, Karpiel, Kirkland, Klemm, Koehler, LeFlore, Mays, McCracken, McMaster, Neff, Nelson, Olson, B. Pedersen, W. Peterson, Piel, Pullen, Reilly, Rhem, Rice, Ropp, Satterthwaite, Shaw, Tate, Tuerk, Turner, Vinson, Wait, Winchester, Wojcik, Woodyard and Zwick."

"Any questions with the negative, Representative Terzich? Representative Braun, did you... for what reason do you arise?"

"I'm sorry, Mr. Speaker. I may be premature. I'd like to verify the affirmative once the Gentleman has finished."

"Proceed with the negative, Representative."

"Representative Deuchler."

"Pardon me, Sir."

"Representative Deuchler."

"Representative Deuchler. Is the Lady in the chamber? Take her off the... remove her from the Roll Call."

"Representative Dickerson (sic - Didrickson)."

"Who, Sir?"

"Dicker... Didrickson, Loleta."

"The Lady is in her chair."

"Representative Pedersen."

"Representative Pedersen is in the back of the chamber."

"Is Representative Pedersen..."

"Representative Ebbesen?"

"Oh, all right, how about Peter..." 102  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983

"The Gentleman is in his seat."

"How about Peterson?"

"You did him twice already. He's still here."

"Peterson."

"He's here."

"Representative Zwick."

"Representative Zwick. Is the lady in the chamber?"

"Representative Braun."

"Just a moment, Sir. Representative Zwick. Remove the Lady from the Roll Call. Representative Braun is in her seat."

"Representative Wait."

"Representative Wait. The Gentleman in the chamber?"

"The heavyweight."

"The Gentleman is standing right where he seats... sits. Proceed, Sir."

"Representative Vinson."

"Representative who?"

"Vinson."

"Representative Vinson. Vinson. Is the Gentleman in the chamber? He's not in the chamber."

"The Gentleman is down here."

"Proceed, Sir."

"Is Representative Cowlishaw here?"

"Representative Cowlishaw is in her seat."

"How about Representative Brookins... Brookins?"

"Representative Brookins is in the middle aisle."

"Would you tell him to sit in his seat..."

"Sit in your seat, Sir. You can't..."

"... so I could see where he's at." 103  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983

"You can't. There's somebody in it."

"All right."

"Proceed, Sir."

"Representative Huff."

"Representative Huff is in his seat."

"How about Representative Tate?"

"How about him? Representative Tate is in his seat."

"Representative Hallock."

"Representative Hallock is right there."

"How about Representative Shaw?"

"Representative Shaw. Representative Shaw is right in front."

"Would you tell him to sit in his seat, also, Mr. Speaker."

"Go sit in your seat."

"I can't see. I'm trying to see there."

"Any further?"

"How about Representative Currie?"

"Representative Currie is in her seat."

"Yeah, well, does she want to vote or not?"

"I don't know. Proceed, Sir."

"Representative Satterthwaite."

"Representative Satterthwaite is in her seat. Any further questions of the negative Roll Call?"

"Gee, I'm looking desperately..."

"Represen...Representative Younge wants to be recorded as voting 'no'."

"Who was that?"

"The Lady is back there - right in back of you, Representative Younge."

"Okay."

"No further questions of the negative Roll Call. 104  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 Mr. Clerk, what is the count? On this question, there are 50... just a moment. Don't get excited. I'm giving you the count Representative Brown (sic - Braun). Representative Zwick, return her to the negative Roll Call. Representative Braun, on this question there are 55 voting 'aye' and 55 voting 'no'. This Bill, having failed to receive the Majority... this... this... this Amendment, having failed to receive the Majority of votes, is hereby declared lost. Are there further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. With leave of the House, we'll go back and pick up Senate Bill 89. Representative Stuffle. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 89, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of The School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #1, W. Peterson and Pierce."

"Representative Peterson, Amendment #1 to Senate Bill 89."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Amendment 1 to House (sic - Senate) Bill 89 basically gives an increase of state aid to those districts that experience a two percent increase in enrollment during the first calendar year."

"Is there discussion? Being no discussion, the Gentleman moves passage of House... House Amendment to Senate Bill 89. All those in favor will say 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment's adopted. Are there further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2, Hoffman, amends Senate Bill 89 on page four by deleting..."

"Representative Hoffman, Amendment #2."

"Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen 105  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 of the House, Amendment #2 to House (sic - Senate) Bill 89 is the result of the work of the Joint Finance Study Commission - the committee which is operated in conjunction with the State Board of Education and the School Problems Commission. It addresses... it addresses the issue of the counting of Title I students in the formula. As some of you may know, we are shifting from Title I to Chapter I and running from... changing from the 1970 census to the 1980 census. By staying where we are with the '70 census or going the '80 census, either one, we have a significant number of... of winners and losers. And, so, in order to mitigate the... the transference which takes place, we have put in, in this particular Amendment, language that for the next fiscal year only, '83 - '84 school year, we will use the greater of the Chapter I count or 85% of the Title I count. That's all this Amendment does. It, by the way, also, it puts in a bottom line number which would correspond with an appropriation of a billion four hundred and thirty-seven million dollars which is a number that would generate, I think the number, I don't see the number here per pupil. But that line is a... that number of a billion four hundred and thirty-seven million is a... is a... highest number that's been discussed, but as you know, the formula works in such a way that it is drifted down to the appropriation level. So, regardless of what the appropriation level was, as long as it goes down, it can be accommodated. But you cannot push it up; therefore, we're running with this number. And I would ask for your agreement in Amendment #2, and I'd be pleased to discuss this with you individually or with all the Members on the floor of the House on Third Reading."

"Further discussion? Representative Cullerton."

"Yeah, Sponsor yield?" 106  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983

"Indicates he'll yield."

"Representative, in my understanding is that this Amendment will effect the appropriation of approximately 1.5 billion dollars. Is that accurate?"

"The... the Amendment is drawn in such a way that it will distribute that amount of money, if it's available. If it's not available, it will distribute any amount of money against this formula that is appropriated."

"Okay. Now, when you say, if it is available, what is that dependent upon?"

"It's dependent upon this Legislature passing an appropriation at that particular level."

"And, would that be dependent upon an income tax increase passing at the level proposed by Governor Thompson?"

"I recognize the question you ask. I would only suggest that to you, that the amount of money included in the formula will be de... will depend upon the priorities established by this General Assembly against the resources that are available at that time."

"Well, but doesn't this Amendment set priorities?"

"This Amendment sets a distribution mechanism and provides a maximization of the dollars available to be distributed against whatever level is available."

"Okay. So, this is setting priorities then for the distribution of the funds."

"Only... only in the... only in the sense that it's amending the distributive mechanism that we currently use to take care of the problem."

"Okay, now, could you tell me, would this be considered a compromise measure, this particular Amendment? Would this be a result of a number of compromises worked on by the School Problems Commission?" 107  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983

"This... this Amendment is a... is a result of the deliberations by the Joint Finance Committee which is a combination of people appointed by the State Board, and Board Members, and people appointed by the School Problems Commission, and Members of the School Problems Commission. And this position, then, was endorsed by the School Problems Commission."

"Now, as I understand it, also, this has a formula that deals with either a 1970 census or a 1980 census. Is that correct?"

"It deals with both of them."

"Right. And.. and there's..."

"Either."

"There's a formula that is used regarding those two census. Could you tell me what that formula is?"

"Yes. It's... the formula that is provided in this or the Amendment to the formula indicates that we will use either the greater of the Chapter I count, which is the 1980 census, or 85% of the Title I count, which is the 1970 census, whichever's greater."

"Now, is the reason for us looking at two different census figures because the Federal Government changed their definition of what a poor person is?"

"The nu... the numerical change is to conform, as we always have, with the definition used by the Federal Government."

"Now, I come from a district... I come from the town of Chicago. Could you tell me what effect this particular Amendment might have on my particular school district, and, perhaps, you could compare this formula to, say, the formula that would occur if this Amendment didn't pass. And tell me whether or not my school district, from a town called Chicago, will get more or less money depending on 108  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 whether this Amendment passes or doesn't pass."

"Run that one by me again."

"Okay. I come from Chicago. We have a school district there... this will effect my school district. Could you tell me how much money my school district will get if the Amendment passes? And could you tell me how much money my school district would get if the Amendment doesn't pass? Compare the effect of the Amendment on my school district."

"The... at the... at the present time, we are using... we are using the Chapter, or I mean the Title I... the Title I count. When we go to the Chapter I count, at the present time we're looking at four hundred sixty-eight and a half million dollars with the bottom line of 1381. With the '80 count, we'd be looking at 477 or 478. And with this compromise, we're looking at 473 and a half. That, however, cannot be isolated separately because you have to look at the other factors that are at work in the formula as well as the Title I. Currently, the percent of state aid of the total appropriated received by the City of Chicago is 33.9. Under this particular program, it would be 34.26, using the same bottom line, so they're at least... there's a dollar increase. That increase is not quite as great as it would be without the 85%..."

"Would you... thank you for your support of the current percentages for my school district. I hope that you will continue to support that on other Bills, but as I understand it, there would be a five million dollar loss to my particular school district had we used Title I this year. Is that accurate? I know that you're saying there's other... there's other factors to look at, but with regard to this particular Amendment, there's going to be a five million dollar loss. Is that correct?" 109  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983

"If we use... if we use the 1980 census, we'd be looking at 478. By using 85% of Title I or the greater... either Chapter I or 85% of Title I, you'd be looking at four seventy three and a half. So, whatever the difference is, I guess that's five and a half million dollars."

"So, you would advise me personally to vote against this particular Amendment, I take it."

"No, I would not advise you to vote against this Amendment, because you have to look at the total. And you cannot look at one item in isolation. I would be very surprised, you know, when the chips are all down, if you're going to be able to hold the percentages that are included in... in this Amendment. When you have 22% of the students and you're currently getting 33 plus percent of the general distributive fund, not likely to do much better than that, and this one even provides for a 34.26. So, you can, you know, you can do as you choose. I will tell you, however, that this program is a compromise program between all the parties involved, and including in that discussion was the representative from... was the representative from the Chicago school system who did not vote for this proposal, however, recognized that given the givens this was about the best that any of us could do."

"Thank you. No further questions."

"Representative Stuffle."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker and Members, on Amendment #2 to Senate Bill 89, which Representative Hoffman and I have offered here, I think we should recall what Representative Cullerton said towards the end of his remarks. He indicated how much better Chicago would do with Title I use or even if we did not do anything and we went to the census figures. The fact of the matter is that we went through six, or seven or even eight different types of formula 110  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 changes just on this issue in looking at printouts and how they effect the districts. We attempted to take that one compromise that's now in this Amendment that helped the most and hurt the least. I think Chicago was hurt in all but one of the cases, significantly more so in many of those possible compromises, if you want to call them that, then they were in this one. Some gave a little in this, so that others could pick up some money. Some districts, like my own, would have done much better under Title I. Some districts, like Representative Saltsman's, would have done somewhat better, like my own. But we agreed to a compromise. We knew that the best of all worlds could not be had with the lack of revenue. Frankly, we'll be lucky if we can appropriate as much money as Representative Hoffman's indicated, even with the tax increase. We don't know what levels are coming. Just let me also indicate, in supporting the Amendment, that we are not setting priorities per se on the formula or spending, because we changed some several years ago. The language in the formula is merely directive, that it's our intent that the equalized assessed valuation behind each student be at a certain level. If it's not, it's because the appropriation does not square up with that level, and there is a reduction in the money driven by the formula through that 'EAV' process and the per student payment that goes up or down with the appropriation. So, I rise in support of the Amendment of the... as the best of comprises. I think it is. I think it hurts some a little. It would have hurt many a lot, if we hadn't of come this way. There were many changes we could have made that were much worse for Chicago, much worse for many districts. I've given a little. You can see from the Amendment, Representative Hoffman, in DuPage, has given a little. All of us have 111  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 given a little to achieve something for those who were really stripped of a great deal of revenue had we utilized the federal standards now in place with the '80 census as opposed to the Title I count in the '70 census. For that reason, if we're all willing to help each other, we ought to vote for this Amendment."

"The Gentleman from Effingham, Representative Brummer. Is there further discussion? There being no further discussion, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #2 to Senate Bill 89 pass?' All those in favor will say 'aye', those opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment's adopted. Are there further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Representative Stuffle, a request has been made for a fiscal note. The Bill will remain on Second Reading. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading appears House Bill... on Senate Bill 139. Representative Laurino, did you want that Bill called? The Gentleman in the chamber? Out of the record. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading is Senate Bill 147. Representative Bullock. Is the Gentleman in the chamber? Out of the record. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading is House... Senate Bill 151. Representative Johnson. The Gentleman in the chamber? Out of the record. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading is Senate Bill 161. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 161, a Bill for an Act in relation to liens for certain delinquent utility charges. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #1, Greiman, amends Senate Bill 161..." 112  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 53rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983

"Representative Greiman on Amendment #1."

"...on page one in line thirty."

"Representative Greiman."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Amendment #1 clarifies some of the issues raised in this Bill. This Bill provides for the foreclosure of a utility lien where... on real estate. And it makes clear that the owner of the real estate has the power to redeem... to redeem the liens, and that the lienor has to commense in action within one year. Originally, the Bill just had no time limitation, so that a lien could be put on and could stay there for years without anybody doing anything. And this requires some action. That's what the lien does."

"Is there discussion? Being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #1 to Senate Bill 161 pass?' All those in favor will say 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment's adopted. Are there further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. With leave, we'll back up to Senate Bill 139. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 139, a Bill for an Act to establish high impact training services programs. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"None."

"Third Reading. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading is Senate Bill 167. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 167, a Bill for an Act to amend the Code of Criminal Procedures. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments." 113  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"None."

"Third Reading. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading is Senate Bill 171. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 171, a Bill for an Act to amend the Environmental Protection Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading is Senate Bill 173. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 173, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Vehicle Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"None."

"Third Reading. Backing up with leave to Senate Bill 147. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 147, a Bill for an Act relating to the imposition of sentences in criminal cases."

"Excuse me, Sir. For what reason does the Gentleman from DeWitt, Representative Vinson, arise?"

"Let him go ahead and present his Amendment. I'll talk after that."

"Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"None."

"Third Reading. Representative Vinson. 114  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading, Senate Bill 174. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 174, a Bill for an Act to amend the Unified Code of Corrections and the Illinois Vehicle Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor... any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2, Cullerton, amends Senate Bill 174 on page two, line twenty-four."

"Representative Cullerton, Amendment #2."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, this is the same Amendment that we debated on a previous Bill. The Amendment did fail. So, in the interest of time, I'll be happy to withdraw the Amendment."

"The Gentleman withdraws Amendment #2. Are there further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading is Senate Bill 175. Mr. McAuliffe, the Bill called. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 175, a Bill for an Act to amend the Unified Code of Corrections. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"None."

"Third Reading. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading is Senate Bill 176. Mr. Hastert, do you want it called? Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"House Bill 176, a Bill for an Act in relation to the equalization of property tax assessments. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments." 115  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #1, Hastert, amends Senate Bill 176 on page one in line five by deleting..."

"Representative Hastert."

"Mr. Speak... Mr. Speaker, I'm not sure that they're distributed. I'd be happy to go with the Amendment..."

"Mr. Clerk, has the Amendment been distributed? Take it out of the record. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading is Senate Bill 185. Representative Neff. Is he in the chamber? Out of the record. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading is Senate Bill 187. Mr. Brummer, you want the Bill called? Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 187, a Bill for an Act to create the State-wide Citizens Utility Board Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendments #1, 3, 4, 5 and 6 were adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading is Senate Bill 189. Representative Jaffe, you want this called? Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 189, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Marriage and Disslution of Marriage Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Representative Greiman, did you want to handle this Amendment? Representative Greiman. No Amendments?"

"No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"None." 116  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983

"Third Reading. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading is Senate Bill 192. Representative Berrios, you want this Bill called? Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 192, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Migrant Labor Camp Law. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading is Senate Bill 193. Representative Johnson in the chamber? Take it out of the record. Friedrich, did you want to handle that, Dwight? No, you can't take it. Representative Friedrich. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading is Senate Bill 195. Representative Rice, do you want to call this Bill? Representative Rice, Senate Bill 195. Do you want to have the Bill called? Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 195, a Bill for an Act to provide assistance to persons who require organ transplants. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"None."

"Third Reading. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading is Senate Bill 204. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 204, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Code of Civil Procedure. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed." 117  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2, Homer, amends Senate Bill 204 as amended by..."

"Representative Homer."

"Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen, Amendment #2 comes before us basically out of discussions in the Judiciary Committee. It has the approval of the Sponsor, Representative Churchill, as well as, I understand, the Senate Sponsor of the Bill. It simply provides that the confidentiality shall apply unless it's waived with the consent of the victim, and it also takes the offense from Class A misdemeanor down to a Class C misdemeanor, which I believe is much more reasonable and in line with the severity of the potential violation. So, I would urge your favorable consideration."

"Is there discussion? There being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #2 to Senate Bill 204 be passed?' All those in favor will signify by saying 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment's adopted. Are there further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading is Senate Bill 206. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 206, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Juvenile Court Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #1, Bullock."

"Representative Piel, for what reason do you arise?"

"Has this been distributed, Mr. Speaker?"

"Mr. Clerk, has the Amendment been distributed? 118  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 Out of the record. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading is Senate Bill 209. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 209, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Insurance Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"None."

"Third Reading. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading is Senate Bill 228. Representative Panayotovich. The Gentleman in the chamber? Out of the record. Laurino, you want to... Representative Laurino, you want to handle that? Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 228, a Bill for an Act relating to compensation of workers injured as a result of industrial accidents. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. With leave, we'll go back to Senate Bill 151. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 1..."

"Excuse me, Mr. Clerk. For what reason did Mr. Curran arise? Your light's on, Sir. Proceed, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 151, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Code of Criminal Procedure. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Amendment #1, Johnson, amends Senate Bill 151 on page one by deleting line twenty and twenty-one and so 119  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 forth."

"Representative Johnson."

"This... this Amendment is at the request of Representative Cullerton, and it deals... Oh, wait a minute. Representative Cullerton, are you here? Yeah, this is the request of Representative Cullerton and some other people that had some concern about the Bill. And it just conforms it to the way the Bill was as it passed out here, out of the House. It specifies which judge is to hear 'PC' hearings. There's no objection to it."

"Is there discussion? Being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall Amendment #1 be adopted?' All those in favor will say 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment's adopted. Are there further Amendments, Mr. Clerk?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading is Senate Bill 230. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 230, a Bill for an Act to create the Commission on Senior Citizens. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"None."

"Third Reading. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading is Senate Bill 233. Representative Oblinger. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 233, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Pension Code. Second Reading of the Bill. This Bill has been read a second time previously. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"None." 120  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983

"Third Reading. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading is Senate Bill 241. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 241, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Enterprise Zone Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments? Request... Out of the record? Out of the record at the request of the Sponsor. With leave of the House, we'll go back to Senate Bill 193. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 193, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Criminal Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"None."

"Third Reading. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading is Senate Bill 242. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 242, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of The Election Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading is Senate Bill 245. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 245, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Physical Therapy License Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Is there any Floor Amendments?"

"None." 121  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983

"Third Reading. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading is Senate Bill 247. Representative Leverenz. Representative Leverenz in the chamber? Out of the record. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading is Senate Bill 252. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 252, a Bill for an Act to amend the Code of Civil Procedures. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"None."

"Third Reading. On the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading appears Senate Bill 261. Representative Woodyard. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 261, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Public Community College Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Floor Amendments?"

"None."

"Third Reading. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading is Senate Bill 263. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 263, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of The School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendments #2 and 5 were adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"Motion to table Amendment #5 by Representative Vinson."

"Representative Vinson."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, at the time that this particular Bill was considered in the Committee on Higher Education, I raised a question in regard to the germaneness of Amendment #5. The Chairman of 122  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 the Committee, at that time, felt that because legal counsel was not present in the Committee that the appropriate course would be to defer consideration of the germaneness question until this Bill came up on the floor. At this particular time, I would like to question the germaneness of Amendment #5 to Senate Bill 263. And so that the Chair might have the benefit of the purpose for my question, I would point out that the Bill as passed by the Senate and as considered by the Committee, at the time of Amendment #5, dealt with certain types of state scholarships. Amendment #5 effects the how the Secretary of State may issue drivers' licenses. I don't believe that it's appropriate to have a Vehicle Code Amendment regulating the ability of the Secretary of State to issue drivers' licenses on a scholarship Bill. And for that reason, I would question the germaneness of Amendment #5."

"Representative Vinson, Amendment #5 was adopted in Committee and in the opinion of the Chair is not germane."

"Thank you, Mr..."

"The proper Motion is to withdraw the Amendment."

"Well, I would ask the Sponsor to withdraw the Amendment since it is not germane then."

"Representative DiPrima."

"Yes, Sir, Mr. Speaker, I agree with Mr. Vinson. I would like to have the Amendment withdrawn and replace it with its original Amendment that came out of the Senate. I will do that in due time."

"The Gentleman moves to table Amendment... Committee Amendment #5. Is there leave? Amendment #5 is tabled. Are there further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments." 123  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983

"Representative DiPrima."

"Yes, I wanted to ask Sam Vinson, now, does he back off of that ACLU..."

"You walk right over there and talk to him, Sir."

"Okay."

"Third Reading. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills Second Read... For what reason does Representative Friedrich arise?"

"Mr. Speaker, I'd like a twenty minute recess for the purpose of a Republican Conference immediately in Room 118. I think the Speaker has agreed to this, and I appreciate that very much."

"The Gentleman has asked for a Republican Conference in Room 118. Twenty minutes and two... Mr. Friedrich, would you allow the Clerk two minutes perfunctory to read into the record."

"Certainly. Mr. Speaker, I would appreciate it if the Republicans would move down there immediately so that we won't necessarily..."

"The Republicans will vacate the premises and move immediately to Room 118, so we can return to the floor in twenty minutes. The House stands recessed."

"Committee Reports. Representative Leverenz, Chairman of the Committee on Appropriations I, to which the following Bills were referred, action taken June 15, 1983, report the same back with the following recommendations: 'do pass as amended' Senate Bills 383, 680, 395, 379, 278, 373, 391, 375 and 1144. Representative Bowman, Chairman of the Committee on Appropriations II, to which the following Bills were referred, action taken June 15, 1983, report the same back with following recommendations: 'do pass as amended' Senate Bills 255, 256, 257, 258, 259, 260, 261 and 124  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 401."

"The House will come to order. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading is House... Senate Bill 272. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 272, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Juvenile Court Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Leave of the House, we'll go back to Senate Bill 185. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 185, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Vehicle Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"None."

"Third Reading. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading is Senate Bill 284. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 284, a Bill for an Act to amend the Minimum Wage Law. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Page two of the Calendar, Senate Bills Third Reading Short Debate. Appearing on that Order is Senate Bill 12. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 12, a Bill for an Act to add Sections to an Act in relation to the state police. Third Reading 125  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 of the Bill."

"Representative Giglio."

"You better take it out. There's an Amendment suppose to go on there, Mr. Speaker."

"Out of the record. Representative Giglio, the Amendment has been printed. Do you want to move the Bill back to Second?"

"But Mati... the Sponsor of the Amendment, Mr. Speaker, Representative Matijevich, if he's in the chamber, I'd be happy to bring it back...ask leave to bring it back."

"Out of the record. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills Third Reading Short Debate is Senate Bill 20. Representative Terzich in the chamber? Representative Terzich. Out of the record. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills Third Reading Short Debate is Senate Bill 42. Representative Giorgi, Senate Bill 42. Senate Bill 42. Representative Giorgi."

"Mr. Speaker, House Bill 40... Senate Bill 42 is the Bill that allows the Director of Labor to designate what programs would be eligible to allow a person who receives unemployment insurance benefits..."

"Excuse me, Representative Giorgi. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 42, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Unemployment Insurance Act. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Giorgi."

"This Bill gives the authority to the Director of Labor to approve any programs that he feels are necessary for a retraining program, reemployment program, whatever. What it does, is it does... it permits him to...to approve a program and then does not disallow you from receiving your unemployment insurance benefits. I don't know of any 126  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 opposition to the Bill, and I urge its adoption."

"Does anyone stand in opposition? Being no opposition, the question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All those in favor will vote 'aye', those opposed will vote 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Take the record, Mr. Clerk. On this question, there are 113 voting 'aye', none voting 'no'. This Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills Third Reading Short Debate is Senate Bill 42... 44. Representative Nash in the chamber? Representative Nash in the chamber? Out of the record. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills Third Reading Short Debate is Senate Bill 78. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 78, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Environmental Protection Act. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Olson."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Senate Bill 78 is a companion Bill to House Bill 203 relative to the chlorination issue in communities of under 5,000. The provisions of the Bill are exactly the same, and it provides that after a public hearing and after a referendum in a community under 5,000, who seeks to decouple from the EPA mandate on chlorination, it may be so done. May I urge a positive vote on Senate Bill 78, and I would accept any questions."

"Does anyone stand in opposition? Being no opposition, the question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?' All those in favor will vote 'aye', those opposed will vote 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? DiPrima 'aye'. Have all voted who wish? Take the record, Mr. Clerk. On this question, there are 100 voting 'aye', 127  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 11 voting 'no', and this Bill, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Backing up to Senate Bill 20, read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 20, a Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the Illinois Pension Code. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Terzich."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, Senate Bill 20 provides that the approval of the majority of pensioners and contributors of the fund is required before the board may transfer management of assets to the fund to any other body. The Bill does not have any fiscal impact. It has been approved by the Pension Laws Commission, and simply provides that before any funds can be transferred that they must have permission from the participants in the system."

"Does anyone stand in opposition? Representative Braun."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Question of the Sponsor."

"Indicates he'll yield."

"Representative Terzich, is there currently a problem regarding transfer of assets of the Chicago Teachers' Pension Fund."

"There's no problem of any transfers at the present time. This simply will provide that if there are any transfers of any fund, since the majority of the money is the contributors' money, that it would require that the approval from the participants be required before they transfer any funds."

"Well, Representative Terzich, if... if there is no present problem, then by legislation of this sort, you foreclose the possibility that there may be some beneficial transfers of the fund that may inure to the benefit of teachers... pensioners will be foreclosed forever if this 128  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 Bill passes. Is that right?"

"No, it doesn't, Representative. This simply provides that if there is any transfers that the money or whatever it is would simply be put before the participants of the system. It wouldn't preclude anything other than the fact that it's the participants' funds. It has been put before the Pension Laws Commission. It has received the approval of the Members of the Senate and should receive, of course, the approval of this Body."

"Well, but Representative, how do you put a question like the transfer or the investment of teachers' pension funds before a body of that size?"

"It has nothing to do with investments of the pension funds. It's the transfer of assets, not investments. The Board of Trustees do the investing."

"I understand that. But how do you put a question of that sort before, you know, a kind of a broad range group and expect to get any kind of a rational answer out of them?"

"Well, if there is anything of this nature, that in the same token, they would ask for a mailing or approval of the participants - the same as any other thing."

"Representative, this Bill... this Bill, as you say there is no current problem that gave rise to this legislation. There was a problem in the past. Is that right?"

"No, there was not."

"You just thought of doing this?"

"That's good management. That's correct, Representative."

"All right, to the Bill, Mr. Speaker. I... I rise in opposition to this legislation. It seems to me that this will limit the flexibility, limit the decision making ability of the board. Representative Terzich has already said that there is no problem, so this is a Bill that's... 129  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 old expression, 'If it ain't broke, don't fix it.' Seems to me that we're fixing something that ain't broke. And that being the case, and in light of the fact that these pension funds might be available for beneficial... beneficial purposes, then... then I would think that this Bill would be an inappropriate move by this Body at this time. Additionally, I'd like to point out that we have received letters from teachers and from participants in the fund who see the danger in this proposition and have suggested and urged us not to support this legislation. The teachers don't want it. The City doesn't want it. It doesn't seem to serve anybody's interest, and I think that the appropriate vote on this Bill would be a 'no' vote."

"Representative Bullock."

"Mr. Speaker, will the Sponsor yield for a question?"

"Indicates he'll yield."

"Representative Terzich, does the Chicago Teachers' Union have a position on this legislation?"

"The Bill has been approved by the Chicago Teacher Retirement System supports the Bill. I have not received one negative piece of correspondence. To the contrary, every piece of correspondence from the participants to the system have all been in favor of this particular Bill."

"Representative Terzich, this Bill is now at the sixth hurdle. It's gone through the Senate and through the House. Has there been any vote against this measure throughout the process of the legislation?"

"It came out of Committee 11 to nothing and out of the Senate 58 to 0."

"Mr. Speaker, to the Bill."

"Proceed."

"Mr. Speaker, this legislation is good legislation. It's prudent investment legislation. In essence it says 130  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 that pensioners and those who contribute to the fund would, in fact, have some say so, i.e., approval before their funds are transferred out. The Bill is approved by the Chicago Teachers' Union, the Teachers' Retirement System. It has not received one dissenting vote in this Body. I would urge an 'aye' vote."

"Is there further discussion? No further discussion. The Gentleman to close."

"Again, Mr. Speaker, there's no cost to this. This has been approved. There has been some problem that someone may try to take over the pension system. It's the contributors' money and the participants. And I, certainly, would urge your support of Senate Bill 20."

"The question is, 'Shall this Bill pass?'. All those in favor vote 'aye', those opposed will vote 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Take the record, Mr. Clerk. On this question, there are 97 voting 'yes', 13 voting 'no'. This Bill, having received a Constitutional Majority, is hereby declared passed. Pardon me? Is there any request for us to go to specific Bills on this Order of Reading that requires Amendments? We will go now to page four. For what reason do you rise, Sir?"

"Briefly."

"We'll get to that."

"Okay."

"Senate Bill 457, Representative Nash."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, there is an Amendment on 457."

"The Gentleman asks leave to return Senate Bill 457 to Second Reading, for the purpose of Amendment. Does he have leave? Leave is granted. Read the Amendment, Mr. Clerk." 131  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983

"Amendment #1, Rea - McMaster - Nash, amends Senate Bill 457 on page one and line one, and so forth."

"Representative Nash. Representative Rea."

"Mr. Speaker, I would like to withdraw Amendments 1 and 2."

"Representative Rea?"

"I would ask leave to withdraw Amendments 1 and 2."

"Is there leave to withdraw Amendments 1 and 2? Leave is granted. Are there further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #3, Rea - Nash - McMaster."

"Representative Rea."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. What Amendment 3 does, it makes changes in the Public Aid Code regarding the reimbursement for recipients in long term care facilities, and I... I know that there's quite a bit of support for this legislation, and the Bill presents reason responses to problem areas within the Public Aid Code regarding reimbursement for recipients in long term care facilities, and if there is one area where the State has lagged far behind neighboring states and the rest of the nation, it has been in the reimbursement for long term care recipients, and this Bill makes only modest... modest improvements, and I would certainly urge an 'aye' vote."

"Is there further discussion? Representative McMaster."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This is an Amendment of legislation that we have worked on long and hard - Representative Rea and myself, with the long term care people, and we feel that it's a good Amendment and should definitely be passed, and I would urge a 'yes' vote in support of this Amendment."

"Representative Giglio. Representative Keane. Representative Topinka, on the Amendment."

"Yes, if I... if I might ask the Sponsor a question, 132  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 please?"

"Indicates he'll yield."

"Has there a fiscal note been filed on this?"

"Clerk? Mr. Clerk? No miss... no fiscal note has been filed."

"Is there a request for a fiscal note? I seem to remember that there was one. Is there a fiscal note request?"

"No request was filed."

"If your Amendment would be put onto this Bill, what would be the cost, in your estimation?"

"It would be... It would be very limited. I'm... I'm looking here to see... I think we had some figures on that."

"Representative Rea, a request for a fiscal note has been filed."

"The... The initial cost in '54... in '84 would be roughly 51 million, and federally... And the fiscal note doesn't really apply to this."

"Could you give me an idea of the initial cost? If it were 51 million, that would be the first year. Is that correct? Or would that be every year thereafter?"

"No, that would be the... the first... Yeah. The... The only real estimate could be for this year, but actually, the fiscal note doesn't apply to this particular legislation."

"That's just an estimate, correct? Fifty-one million? You don't feel that's hard and fast? I mean, 51 million's not bad as it is, but..."

"I might also add that at least 50 percent or more will be federally reimbursable."

"So that's kind of like free money from the Federal Government, right? It won't cost the taxpayers anything." 133  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983

"Well, it certainly won't add to our general revenue burden."

"Okay, thank you."

"Is there further discussion? The question is, 'Shall Amendment #3 to Senate Bill 457 pass?'. All those in favor will say 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment... Amendment passes. Were you seeking recognition, Representative Nash? There has been a fical note requested. The Bill will have to remain on Second Reading. Representative Cullerton."

"Mr. Speaker, I would move that the Fiscal Note Act does not apply to this Bill."

"It's been moved that a fiscal note does not apply to Senate Bill 457. Any discussion? Representative Topinka."

"Mr. Speaker, I'd like to know why a fiscal note would not apply."

"He has a right to make that Motion, Representative. Further discussion. All those in favor will say 'aye'... vote 'aye', those opposed will vote 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Take the record, Mr. Clerk. On this question, there are 73 voting 'aye', 40 voting 'no'. This Bill, having received a favorable... This Amendment, having received a favorable majority, is hereby declared adopted. Are there further Amendments? No... Third Reading. Representative Vinson."

"Mr. Speaker, on the basis of that particular vote, you declared that an Amendment was adopted. In fact, the question was, 'Shall the Fiscal Note Act not apply?'."

"That's correct. The Gentleman's Motion was adopted."

"That's right, but you said that an... an Amendment was 134  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 declared adopted."

"No, I misspoke, Mr. Vinson."

"Okay, I think you should go back and specify properly what happened in the record, and then move the Bill, because the vote did prevail, unfortunately."

"Amendment... Amendment #3 was adopted, and then the Gentleman made a Motion that the Fiscal Note did not apply, and on that question, there were 73 voting 'aye', 4 voting 'no', and the Gentleman's Motion carries. Forty. Third Reading. Does the Gentleman have leave to have the Bill remain on Short Debate? Leave is granted. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills, Third Reading, Short Debate, is Senate Bill 12. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill #12, a Bill for an Act in relation to State Police. Third Reading of the Bill."

"Representative Giglio."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House... leave to bring this..."

"For what reason does Representative Vinson arise?"

"Now, Mr. Speaker, how did we happen to get to this particular Bill on the Calendar? Are we going backwards, or..."

"No, we're, as you recall, the Chair indicated that any Members that had Bills that they wanted to call on this order reading, that had Amendments, could do so, and that's where we were. We went to 457, as you know, and then we went back to Senate Bill 12."

"Now I understand."

"At the Gentleman's request."

"Thank you."

"Do you understand that? Representative Giglio." 135  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983

"Yes, leave to bring this back to Second Reading for..."

"Does the Gentleman have leave to return the Bill to Second Reading for purpose of Amendment? Leave is granted. Mr. Clerk, read the Amendment."

"Amendment #1, Matijevich, amends Senate Bill 12 by deleting the title, and so forth. Representative Piel, for what reason do you rise?"

"Question. Has this been distributed, Mr. Speaker?"

"Clerk? Yes, it has. Representative Matijevich."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, Amendment #1 is a early release for state police Amendment... the 25 year and out Amendment. The Department of Law Enforcement and the State Trooper Lodge has asked me to introduce this Amendment, and the reason I have is because they were close, according to what they told me, they were close to agreement with the Senate on a House Bill, but it failed in Committee, but they feel with one more attempt they can come to some agreement, so in that spirit, I have consented to offer this Amendment. I don't want to go through the debate we did, and... with the House Bill. It did pass the House fairly substantially, and I would ask for your support."

"Is there discussion? Representative Vinson."

"Mr. Speaker, I wonder if the Gentleman would yield for a question."

"The Gentleman indicates he'll yield, sure."

"What would be the cost of adopting this policy, Representative?"

"Well, it all depends, because if you look at it from the matter of the pension impact, there's some cost, but the... the Department of Law Enforcement has made a study where they feel that in the long run, there can be a 136  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 savings to the... to the taxpayers because of those who retire at an early age. Their study is that there could be a net savings of $8,489,100, according to a study by the Illinois Department of Law Enforcement, the Bureau of Planning and Development, Analysis and Research Section. So, on the..."

"That's... That's after you factor out the increased pension cost, too?"

"That's according to their calculations, yes."

"So, this is an Administration Bill?"

"It... The... I received the Bill initially from the Department of Law Enforcement, from Jim Findley, with this, also in tandem with the FOP and Al Bennett."

"Well, Mr. Speaker, on that basis alone , I arise to oppose the Bill. There is a... an appropriate process around here for the Administration to submit Bills to the Legislature. In this... In this case, that process has gone astray, and I would urge every Republican Member to vote 'no' on this Amendment."

"Representative Cullerton."

"Will the Sponsor yield?"

"He indicates he'll yield."

"Representative Matijevich."

"Yes, Sir."

"Just so I understand what this might mean. If a police officer became employeed at the age of 20, and then he worked for 20 years. He could then retire at the age of 40 and receive the full benifits that he would receive had he worked until he was 55?"

"No. First of all if he...if he got on the police department at the age of 20 he was cheating because you can't get on until you are 21."

"Alright, let's say 21 for the purposes of my....now 137  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 he's 41 and he quits."

"No, 46 because it's 25 years."

"Alright, now he's 46, so he can quit at 46 and not have to wait 'till he's 55 before he gets the..."

"Fifty. The law now is 50."

"So it's only four years?"

"That's all."

"And, as you had described earlier, this is designed to save money."

"That's right."

"... for the taxpayers."

"Sure."

"Fine."

"And keep the Roll Call in your glove compartment."

"Thank you."

"Representative Neff."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This Bill was given a hearing in the Pension Laws Committee just a short time ago and was defeated there, and I think we should defeat it as an Amendment."

"Representative Van Duyne."

"Question of the Sponsor, please?"

"Indicates he'll yield."

"John, does this enhance the General Assembly Retirement System at all?"

"It doesn't do anything either way."

"Well then, why should we vote for it?"

"Representative Johnson."

"Do... Do what you have to do."

"Representative Johnson."

"Mr. Sponsor, on page four..."

"He indicates he'll yield."

"... lines six through nine of the Amendment, there is 138  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 an exception for, quote, 'periods of service as an IBI Agent or a Division of Narcotic Control Agent between January 1, 1969 and October 1, 1975'. Who or what is that for?"

"Hmm.... I really don't know, Tim. The Department gave me this Amendment, and I'm not... I'm not sure if it's because this will refer only to the troopers. I... I think it refers only to sworn officers, and that's the reason for that exception."

"Well, we're... I guess my question is, you know, that fairly definitive period of time in definitive groups that are not receiving the benefits of the Amendment would... would convey. It would be interesting to know why the..."

"I understand... I understand now that that period of time relates to the Division of Narcotic Control. That's in the IBI, that's the purpose of this language. IBI, which is no longer with us."

"Except some of those agents are still with you."

"The agents do come under it. Anybody under DLE, I'm told now."

"Is there further discussion? The Gentleman, to close?"

"Yes, only in closing. The Pension Laws Committee did pass this Bill out. I hate to... It passed the House, in fact, with a fairly good vote. The reason I got the Bill... I didn't get it from the Administration, Sam. They knew I was handling it for the troopers, and then they hopped on board, so that's how I got the Bill. I... I'm surely not trying to cut you out of your work. I'd never do that, Sam. So, I appreciate your support. All we need is votes, now. Thank you."

"The question is, 'Shall House Amendment to Senate Bill 12 be adopted?'. All those in favor say 'aye'." 139  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment's adopted. Third Reading. Yes, Representative Piel?"

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, according to Rule 36-d, that Amendment has just changed the title, so it would have to go back to First Day, Second Reading."

Speaker Yourell: "The Gentleman's point is well taken. Representative Matijevich."

"Speaker, I move to suspend the provisions of the rule so that we... Senate Bill 12 be moved to the Order of Third Reading."

Speaker Yourell: "The Gentleman has moved to suspend the appropriate rule so the Bill may be moved to Third Reading. Representative Piel."

"I understand the Gentleman wants to go to Third Reading with the Bill, and I don't have problem with going to Third Reading, Mr. Speaker, but you know, I could understand his making that Motion if we were sitting here with maybe two days to go in this... in, you know, for the deadline. He's got a whole another week, and, you know, he has changed the title on the Bill, and he's got a week and a half, and I would suggest, you know, we're only talking about another day in the process."

Speaker Yourell: "Representative Matijevich. Representative Matijevich."

"Speaker, the reason I made the Motion, Representative Piel, in all of my time in the Legislature, I have never offered an Amendment without first talking to the Sponsor. I did this to Representative Giglio... with Representative Giglio. He consented. I, in no way, want to do anything, and I'd never do it to any other Member, to... to delay their Bill. By this Amendment, I don't want to delay Representative Giglio's Bill, so I offered this Motion, really, to try to help somebody who helped me, and 140  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 I'd do it for you, too, Bob, any day. So, I appreciate your support on... on my Motion."

"The Gentleman has moved to waive the appropriate provisions of the rule. All those in favor will say 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. Third Reading. Oh. All those... All those in favor will vote 'aye', those opposed will vote 'no'. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Take the record, Mr. Clerk. On this question, there are 72 'aye'... 73 'ayes', 31... 39 voting 'no', and the... the Bill is moved to Third Reading. Does the Gentleman have leave to remain on Short Debate? Leave is granted. We have a request now from Representative Kirkland to go to Senate Bill 702, Repre... Representative Jaffe."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, we'd like leave to bring Senate Bill 702 back to Second Reading."

"Does the Gentleman have leave to return Senate Bill 702 to Second Reading for the purpose of Amendment? Leave is granted. Proceed."

"Yes, this is... Yes, this is an Agreed Amendment that will be offered by Representative Kirkland. We have apprised both sides of the aisle on this particular Amendment, and everyone is in agreement."

"Representative Kirkland, on Amendment #1... House Amendment to 702."

"Amendment #1, Kirkland."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This Amendment is an Amendment to the Code of Civil Procedure and has to do with the Forceful Entry and Detainer Act in matters to evict a tenant by forceful entry and detainer or eviction... or ejectment, excuse me. In that procedure, there is a five-day notice involved that indicates to the tenant that he bring his back rent... he pay all of his back rent or 141  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 else the lease is terminated within the five days. This would clarify that payment of part of the back rent due would not waive the effectiveness of the notice and that furthermore, if a suit is subsequently filed, that payment of back rent would not invalidate the suit for ejectment or forceful entry and detainer. I believe it's a clarification and a good one, and I'd ask for support. Thank you."

"Is there discussion? Being no discussion, the question is, 'Shall House Amendment #1 to Senate Bill 702 be passed?'. All those in favor say 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment passes. Third Reading. Are there further Amendments, Mr. Clerk?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Does the Gentleman have leave to have the Bill remain on Short Debate? Leave is granted. We're now going to page 20, Senate Bills, Second Reading. First Bill will be Senate Bill 294. Read the Bill. Out of the record. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills, Second Reading, is Senate Bill 304. Representative Giorgi? Is Giorgi in the chamber? Out of the record. Appearing under the Order of Senate Bills... Representative Giorgi? Senate Bill 304. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 304, a Bill for an Act to implement programs designed to remedy the causes of and problems associated with poverty in Illinois. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendments #1 and 2 were adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"Motion 'I move to table Amendment #1 and 2 to Senate Bill 304', by Representative Giorgi."

"Representative Giorgi."

"Mr. Speaker, this is where it was worked out with the people that made the... the Amendments in Committee. They 142  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 are satisfied that the federal legislation covers the same area, so they've agreed to... to drop the need for Amendment #1 and 2."

"Representative Giorgi moves to table House Amendments #1 and 2 to Senate Bill 304. All those in favor say 'aye', those opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. Are there further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Appearing under the Order of Senate Bills, Second Reading, is Senate Bill 319. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 319, a Bill for an Act to amend sections of the Illinois Lottery Law. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any floor Amendments?"

"None."

"Third Reading. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills, Second Reading, is Senate Bill 323. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk... Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 323, a Bill for an Act to revise the law in relation to local public library districts. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2, Yourell."

"Representative Karpiel, Amendment #2 to Senate Bill 323. Do you want to handle that?"

"I'm sorry, I don't have an Amendment on this Bill. Do I? Could we take this out of the record for just a minute, please?"

"Out of the record. Appearing on the Order of 143  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 Senate Bills, Second Reading, is Senate Bill 325. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 325, a Bill for an Act to amend sections of an Act concerning public utilities. Second Reading of the Bill. This Bill has been read a second time previously. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Representative Rea. Any Amendments?"

"Amendment 1 adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2, Rea."

"Representative Rea."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. House Amendment 2 is one that came out the Committee that was agreed by the Minority Spokesman and the Chairman of the Committee which is intended to emphasize the requirement that costs allowed by the Commerce Commission for air pollution control equipment be acceptable to the Commission. It is no way alters the fundamental intent of the legislation, which is to provide the fullest possible support for the construction of pollution control equipment which may be needed to continue the use of Illinois coal at Illinois power plants. I would ask for its adoption."

"The Gentleman moves the passage of Amendment #2 to Senate Bill 325. All those in favor will say 'aye', opposed 'no'. The Amendment's adopted. Are there further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #3, Rea, amends Senate Bill 325 on page two and line 12, and so forth."

"Representative Rea."

"Thank you Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. I would ask leave to withdraw Amendment 3." 144  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983

"The Gentleman asks leave to withdraw Amendment #3. Does he have leave? Leave is granted. Amendment #3 is withdrawn. Are there further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Appearing under the Order of Senate Bills, Second Reading, is Senate Bill 327. Representative Zwick. Out of the record. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills, Second Reading, is Senate Bill 336, Zwick. We'll get back to you. Is Representative Breslin in the chamber? Out of the record. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills, Second Reading, is Senate Bill 337. Representative Piel? Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 337, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Abortion Law. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"None."

"Third Reading. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills, Second Reading, is Senate Bill 338. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 338, a Bill for an Act to amend sections of the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"None."

"Third Reading. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills, Second Reading, is Senate Bill 346. Read the Bill. Out of the record. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills, Second Reading, Senate Bill 355. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 355, a Bill for an Act to amend sections of the Crime Victims' Compensation Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments." 145  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"None."

"Third Reading. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills, Second Reading, is Senate Bill 357. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 357, a Bill for an Act to amend the Crime Victims' Compensation Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2, Jaffe, amends Senate Bill..."

"Representative Jaffe."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker and Members, Amendment #2 is an Amendment offered because of a request from Committee, and particularly from Representative Johnson, and that deals with confining the Crime Victims' Compensation Act and the compensation under this particular portion to people only in prisons with regard to federal penitentiaries and state penitentiaries. This is an Agreed Amendment by both sides, and I would urge its adoption."

"The discussion is... Representative Cullerton."

"I... I wish he could just repeat that slower."

"Okay, I'll repeat it very slow, John, so you can get... If you remember, in Committee, we talked about, we didn't want to have this pertain to local prisons or county jails and so on and so forth, so we limited it to federal penitentiaries and state penitentiaries."

"But even with this Amendment, it's still a bad Bill, right?"

"It's a marvelous Bill passed out by Representative (sic - Senator) Marovitz, and I know I had to beat you to the well to pick up this Bill. It's a great Bill, and I would move 146  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 its adoption."

"Alright. Thank you."

"The question is, 'Shall Amendment #2 be adopted?'. All those in favor say 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it, and Amendment #2 is adopted. Are there further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills, Second Reading, is Senate Bill 372. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 372, a Bill for an Act to amend the Crime Victims' Compensation Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"None."

"Third Reading. Representative Cullerton. Oh, out of the record? Out of the record. It's on Second Reading. Okay. It's on Second Reading. House... Senate Bill 372 is on Second Reading. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills, Second Reading, is Senate Bill 416. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 416, a Bill for an Act relating to certain compacts between the State of Missouri and Illinois. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"There's been a request for a fiscal note, Representative Wolf. The Bill will remain on Second Reading. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills, Second Reading, is Senate Bill 437. Representative Topinka? Representative Topinka? Out of the record. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills, Second Reading, is Senate Bill 147  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 437. Representative Topinka? You're out of the record on that one? Okay. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills, Second Reading, is House Bill... Senate Bill 459. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk. 459."

"Senate Bill 459, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Municipal Code and Counties Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #1, Yourell."

"Representative Nash."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, Amendment #1, Representative Yourell's Amendment, deletes lines 20, 21 and 22 on page one and line one and two on page two of this Bill. It takes out... prohibits any municipality from which such vehicles originate their operation from registering such vehicles. It's for the school buses. I move for its adoption."

"The Gentleman's moved the adoption of Amendment #1 to House... Senate Bill 459. The question is... All those in favor will say 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment's adopted. Are there further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2, Nash, amends Senate Bill 459 by deleting the title, and so forth."

"Representative Nash."

"Amendment #2 is a technical one, and I move for its adoption. Corrects the title."

"The Gentleman has moved the adoption of Amendment #2 to Senate Bill 459. All those in favor will say 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it and the Amendment's adopted. There's been a request for a fiscal note, and the Bill will remain on Second Reading. Representative Piel, for what reason do you rise?" 148  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983

"I was just going to call to your attention that both Amendments changed the title, and this should be going back to First Day, Second Reading."

"Representative Piel, the title has been changed by Amendment... by the Amendment. Do you insist that the Bill be returned?"

"Well, he's going to be holding it on Second Reading for.."

"There's another Amendment. Yes, Sir. So it will be on Second Reading."

"Thank you."

"Do you demand that the Bill be returned?"

"I've... No, I've got no problem with it. It's going to be fine."

"Okay, fine. Representative Johnson."

"Amendment #2 was adopted. Is that correct? Was Amendment #1 withdrawn or tabled?"

"Mr. Clerk?"

"Amendment #1 was adopted."

"Well, my question is, and just direct this to the Parliamentarian, because I think we want the Bills going out of here in the right order. I don't have any problem with the Bill or the Amendment. It would seem that Amendment 2, by deleting part of the new title added into #1 and removing the reference to municipalities from licensing motor vehicles, we make #1 out of order. I think we ought to clarify that, and since he's going to hold it on Second, if, in fact, that's correct, then we can simply clarify that in Amendment #3. I think #1 is out of order."

"Representative Johnson, there has been a third Amendment filed, and it has not been printed as yet. So the Bill will remain on Second Reading, and the question that you raised now will be considered at that time. We will return to Senate Bill 437. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk." 149  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983

"Senate Bill 437, a Bill for an Act to amend the Liquor Control Act. Second Reading of the Bill. This Bill has been read a second time previously. Amendment #1 was tabled in Committee. Amendment #2 was adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"The Calendar is in error. Amendment #1 was tabled in Committee. Amendment #2 was adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills, Second Reading, is Senate Bill 468. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 468, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Vehicle Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"None."

"Third Reading. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills, Second Reading, is Senate Bill 474. Representative Stuffle in the chamber? Stuffle? Out of the record. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills, Second Reading, is Senate Bill 485. Representative Greiman in the chamber? Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 485, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act providing remedies for lesees in relation to failure of lessors to pay for utility services. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"None." 150  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983

"Third Reading. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills, Second Reading, is Senate Bill 492. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 492, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act creating the Illinois Insurance Laws Study Commission. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Amendments from the floor?"

"Amendment #1 was withdrawn in Committee. Floor Amendment #2, Winchester - Nash - McAuliffe, amends Senate Bill 492 by deleting the title, and so forth."

"Representative Winchester. Representative Nash."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, Committee Amendment... Floor Amendment #2 does the same thing that House Bill 244 did. It creates a Rule Problems Commission, Ambulance Study, Medicaid Fraud Study, and extends Ethnic Heritage to two more members from each House. I move for its adoption."

"The Gentleman moves... The question is, 'Shall Amendment #2 be passed?'. All those in favor will say 'aye', those opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment's adopted. Are there further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #3, McAuliffe - Winchester - Nash."

"Representative Nash."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, Amendment #3 extends the life of the Suburban Study Task Force Commission and Gang Crimes to 1987. It changes the reporting date to August 30. I move for its adoption."

"Is there discussion? Representative Birkinbine."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Sponsor yield for a question?" 151  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983

"Indicates he'll yield."

"Are you building a Christmas tree, here?"

"No, this is the last Amendment."

"The question is, 'Shall Amendment #3 pass?'. All those in favor will say 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment's adopted. Are there further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #4, McAuliffe - Nash - Winchester."

"Representative Nash."

"Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I move to withdraw Amendment #4 and 5... to withdraw Amendments 4 and 5."

"Shall he have leave to withdraw Amendments 4 and 5? Leave is granted. Are there further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills, Second Reading, is Senate Bill 504. Representative Brummer. Out of the record. Representative Hastert."

"Mr. Speaker, I'm a hyphenated Cosponsor. Can we move ahead with that Bill?"

"Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 504, a Bill for an Act concerning public utilities. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #1, W. Peterson, amends Senate Bill 504 on page one and line eight, and so forth."

"Representative Hastert, Amendment #1? Representative Peterson, Amendment #1."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Amendment #1 to House... to Senate Bill 504 exempts the City of Chicago from the 152  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 provisions of this Bill. I move for the adoption of this Amendment."

"Representative Cullerton."

"I did not hear a word he said. If he could explain the..."

"Would you repeat your words, Representative Peterson?"

"The Amendment 1 exempts the City of Chicago from the provisions of this Bill."

"What does the Bill do, then?"

"We're on the Amendment, not the Bill, Mr. Cullerton."

"Well... Well, okay. I guess we could just guess what the Bill does, and then exempt Chicago out, and find out later..."

"Alright. The Bill basically states that when a person or entity acquires ownership or control of a water supply, that the... which is not otherwise subject to the rate regulations of the Commission, they may not raise their rates or charge applicable to customers in the service area existing on the date of its acquisition... within five years of the acquisition."

"Well, what is the... What is the current law with respect to appeals from rates for the sale of water?"

"They are brought to the Circuit Court."

"And how does this Bill change that?"

"Those municipalities other than the City of Chicago or Evanston would then be subject to the Illinois Commerce Commission."

"And this Amendment takes out Chicago."

"Correct."

"So that leaves how many other municipalities in the Bill? What other municipalities would be effected by the Bill?" 153  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983

"Those municipalities that buy from a municipality that takes the water directly from Lake Michigan."

"Well, do you know who they are?"

"At this time, Evanston and Chicago, that I ..."

"Well, you're taking Chicago out."

"Yes, I am, by the Amendment."

"So this Bill is aimed at... would solely be aimed at Evanston, then. After this Amendment passes, if it would pass. What about Highland Park?"

"That's correct, Mr. Cullerton."

"Well, why are we taking out Chicago then? Why are you proposing this Amendment?"

"Because we feel that the people of Chicago would like to be exempt. We thought we'd give you that privilege."

"So, as a result of this Amendment passing, it appeals from the setting of rates of water would go to the Circuit Court of Cook County?"

"Yes, for the City of Chicago. It was my understanding that's the way they wanted to remain."

"Alright, thank you, Mr. Speaker."

"Is there further discussion? The question is, 'Shall Amendment... House Amendment #1 to Senate Bill 504 pass? All those in favor will vote 'aye', those opposed will vote 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Take the record, Mr. Clerk. On this question, there are 87 voting 'aye', 12 voting 'no'. This Bill, having received a favorable majority... this Amendment, having received a favorable majority, is hereby declared passed. Are there further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2, W. Peterson, amends Senate Bill 504 on page one and line 12, and so forth."

"Representative Peterson." 154  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Amendment #2 to Senate Bill 504 provides that when a municipality agrees or acquires a private water utility, it cannot raise the rates more than twice what they were at the time of acquisition for a period of five years without the approval of the interstate... rather, the Illinois Commerce Commission."

"Is there discussion? Representative Cullerton?"

"I'm sorry. Maybe it's the... the noise in the House. I... I can't..."

"Would you repeat your explanation, Representative Peterson?"

"Amendment 2 provides that when a municipality acquires a private water utility, it cannot raise the rates more than twice what they were at the time of the acquisition for a period of five years without proof... approval of the Illinois Commerce Commission."

"Representative Cullerton."

"I want to make sure I have the right Amendment. My understanding is that the Amendment adds one line, and it says, 'to a level exceeding 200 percent of that'. Is that what your Amendment says?"

"That's right. Twice the amount."

"This would mean that the... It would allow an increase of up to 200 percent?"

"No more than that."

"Oh, you're capping it out there at 200 percent."

"Right."

"So, it couldn't go up five times, just double."

"Correct."

"Representative Klemm."

"Will the Sponsor yield?"

"Indicates he'll yield." 155  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983

"Representative, do... are there occasions where the increase has been far more than 100 percent or 200 percent increase?"

"Yes, that's correct."

"So you're trying to prevent them from going to 300, 500 or... or just an astronomical increase, is that correct?"

"That's correct, Representative."

"Alright, fine. Thank you. Then I think it is a limitation in behalf of the consumer. Thank you."

"Is there further discussion? The question is, 'Shall Amendment... House Amendment #2 to Senate Bill 504 be adopted?'. All those in favor will vote 'aye', those opposed will vote 'no'. The voting is open. Have all voted who wish? Have all voted who wish? Take the record, Mr. Clerk. On this question, there are 101 voting 'aye', 4 voting 'no'. Amendment #2 is adopted. Are there further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills, Second Reading, is Senate Bill 515. Representative McAuliffe in the chamber? Out of the record. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills, Second Reading, is Senate Bill 520. Representative Terzich? Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 520, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Abortion Law. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"None."

"Third Reading. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills, Second Reading, is Senate Bill 521. Representative O'Connell. Is Representative O'Connell in the chamber? Out of the record. Appearing on the Order of 156  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 Senate Bills, Second Reading, is Senate Bill 526. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 526, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act creating sanitary districts, and remove obstructions in the Des Plaines and Illinois Rivers. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #1, W. Peterson, amends Senate Bill 526 on page one in line one and two..."

"Representative Peterson. Representative Cullerton, for what reason do you rise?"

"Mr. Speaker, I would ask for you to ask the Parliamentarian if Amendment #1 is germane."

"Representative Piel, for what reason do you rise?"

"Maybe we can just alleviate this problem. I was just wondering if the Amendment's even been distributed yet?"

"The Amendment has not been distributed. Out of the record. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills, Second Reading, is Senate Bill 527. Out of the record. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills, Second Reading, is Senate Bill 532, Representative Stuffle. Out of the record. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills, Second Reading, 536. Representative Greiman. Representative Greiman. Out of the record. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills, Second Reading, is Senate Bill 537. Representative Giorgi? Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 537, a Bill for an Act to amend sections of the Civil Administrative Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"None."

"Third Reading. Appearing on the Order of 157  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 Senate Bills, Second Reading, is Senate Bill 541. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 541, a Bill for an Act to amend sections of the Code of Criminal Procedures. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills, Second Reading, is Senate Bill 546. Representative Davis, 546. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 546, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act in relation to criminal identification and investigation. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"None."

"Third Reading. Backing up to pick up a Bill that we missed, Senate Bill 336. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 336, a Bill for an Act in relation to collective bargaining. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"None."

"Third Reading. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills, Second Reading, is Senate Bill 547. Representative Friedrich, Dwight Friedrich in the chamber? Dwight Friedrich, 547."

"Would you take it out of the record, please?"

"Out of the record. Appearing on the order of 158  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 Senate Bills, Second Reading, is Senate Bill 546... 564. Representative Daniels? Mr. McCracken? Out of the record. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills, Second Reading, is Senate Bill 565. Representative O'Connell. Is the Gentleman in the chamber? Out of the record. Appearing on the... Mr. McGann. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills, Second Reading, is Senate Bill 570, Representative Giorgi. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 570, a Bill for an Act to amend sections of the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"None."

"Third Reading. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills, Second Reading, is Senate Bill 578. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 578, a Bill for an Act to amend the Environmental Protection Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"None."

"Third Reading. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills, Second Reading, is Senate Bill 581. I'm sorry... 591. Representative Matijevich, 591. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 591..."

"Yes, I'll go back to it. 581. 591."

"Senate Bill 591, a Bill for an Act to amend sections of the Municipal Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"None."

"Third Reading. Appearing on the Order of 159  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 Senate Bills, Second Reading, is Senate Bill 581. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 581, a Bill for an Act to amend the Code of Civil Procedure. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #1, McCracken, amends Senate Bill 581 on page one, line one, etc."

"Representative McCracken."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Amendment #1 to House Bill... Senate Bill 581 would be a new Act in the law. It would provide for a statute of limitations for federal civil rights actions. There currently is no statute in existence in Illinois. This would be the first and only statement of the expression of public policy on this point. Two years is the same as a personal injury action brought within the State of Illinois. The courts have held... the federal courts have held that two years is consistent with the policy of the federal statute in question, and that this would be the statute on point which they would apply. I move its adoption."

"Is there discussion? Being no discussion, is the question is... the question is, 'Shall House Amendment #1 to Senate Bill 581 be adopted?'. All those in favor will say 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it, and Amendment #1 is adopted. Are there further Amendments?"

"No further... No more Amendments."

"Third Reading. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills, Second Reading, is House Bill... Senate Bill 613. Representative Berrios in the chamber? Out of the record. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills, Second Reading, is Senate Bill 618. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk." 160  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983

"Senate Bill 618, a Bill for an Act in relation to certain pension and retirement rights of parties to dissolution of marriage proceedings. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"None."

"Third Reading. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills, Second Reading, is Senate Bill 619. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 619, a Bill for an Act to amend the Code of Criminal Procedure. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills, Second Reading, is Senate Bill 620. Capparelli? Is Capparelli in the chamber? Out of the record. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills, Second Reading, is Senate Bill 643. Out of the record. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills, Second Reading, is Senate Bill 644. Out of the record. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills, Second Reading, is Senate Bill 613. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 613, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Human Rights Act. Second Reading..."

"Representative Vinson, for what reason do you rise?"

"Mr. Speaker, how did we get to this Bill?"

"Well, we've been doing this all afternoon on Second Readings, Representative Vinson. Individuals have been... stepped out for a moment. They've asked me to go back to their Bills. We've done it on... for your Members, and we're trying to be fair about it. Do you have any 161  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 objections?"

"Well, I think we ought to try to adopt a policy of moving down them in order, but I'm not going to object to this specific one."

"Fine, thank you. You don't object to this one? Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 613, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Human Rights Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #1, Levin - Alexander - Berrios, amends Senate Bill 613 on page one and line one."

"Representative Levin."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. Senate Bill 613, Amendment #1..."

"For what reason does Representative Piel arise?"

"Has that Amendment been distributed, Mr. Speaker?"

"Clerk? Out of the record. Is Representative Brummer in the chamber? Out of the record. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills, Second Reading, is Senate Bill 668...Representative Hicks in the chamber? Out of the record. Oh, okay. Hold it. Representative Hicks. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 668, a Bill for an Act to amend sections of the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills, Second Reading, is Senate Bill 669. 162  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 Representative Satterthwaite, do you want this Bill called? Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 669, a Bill for an Act to amend sections of the School Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2, Davis, amends Senate Bill 669 on page one, line one, and so forth."

"Representative Davis."

"Well, thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. It's a rather simple Amendment. The Bill itself, of course, deals with competency and with requiring certain conditions to be met in various areas of the... of the curricula core in... in high school completions and certification for graduation. Amendment #2 would simply say that school boards may establish separate salary schedules for math and/or science teachers, if the board determines that such schedules would be in the best interest of the district, and the reason is very simple, and we single out those two areas because we're told, of course, in.......... and by others - experts in the field - that these two areas are the most difficult to lure teachers into the public school systems, and in particularly downstate, where the salary schedules differ from upstate. It's very difficult to find a math and a science teacher to go in under established salary schedules. This Amendment would simply allow, if we're going to identify those two areas as where we want to go in the decade of the '80s, into the '90s and the 21st century, allow quality in those two particular areas of math and science to be attracted by separate salary 163  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 53rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 schedules outside the realm of the established salary schedule in that school, and I would move for its adoption."

"Is there discussion? Representative Nelson."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I rise in opposition to this Amendment, although I realize that Representative Davis' intent to attract better math and science teachers to the profession is certainly a worthy one. We've already passed out of this House two Bills designed to encourage math and science teachers. One of them would provide scholarships for those people. The other one would allow for profit sharing for math or science or any teacher that develops computer programs which are later sold by that district. I think that you may be creating, in adoption of this Amendment, some intolerable personnel situations with other teachers in the district. Certainly, your language arts teachers and your teachers of history consider themselves teaching subjects that are just as vital to our society as good math and science instruction, and it's for that reason that I'm going to vote 'no'."

"Representative Cullerton."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, I believe that this Amendment is out of order, because it's been drafted in an incorrect manner. On... It cites section numbers that are not in the Bill, and I believe that new section that is added is under the wrong area of the Bill. In other words, it... it's in the duty section as opposed to the power section."

"The question is... to the Parliamentarian, is this Amendment in order? Amendment #2. While we're waiting for that decision to be made, Representative Vinson."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, I believe it's fair to put the entire 164  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 Assembly on notice to what the section numbers the Gentlemen believes are improperly referenced are. I wonder if he might recite those for the chamber, so we can look at the Bill, too."

"Representative Cullerton."

"Yes, I believe it's line 10 of Amendment #2, the numbers 27-22.1. I believe that was removed from... by Amendment #1, and further, the language from lines 16 through 33 is in the duties section instead of the power section of the Bill."

"The Parliamentarian advised me that... has advised the Chair that the Gentleman's point is well taken. The Amendment is not in order. Are there further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #3, Marzuki."

"Has that Amendment been printed, Rep... Mr. Clerk? The Bill will remain on Second Reading. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills, Second Reading, is Senate Bill 677. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 677, a Bill for an Act to amend the State Comptroller Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #1, Matijevich, amends Senate Bill 677 on page one by inserting between line 29 and 30 the following, and so forth."

"Representative Matijevich."

"Speaker, this exempts the General Assembly from the provisions of the Act, and I move the adoption of Amendment #1."

"Is there any discussion? Representative Vinson."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise on this in no fashion as 165  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 a partisan but as a simple Member of the General Assembly. I, personally, for a number of years, have supported the concept of the underlying Bill. I do think the Comptroller ought to have the authority to investigate the payments he's supposed to make so that that if the payments are illegal or fraudulent, something of that nature, he ought to be able to control those and not make those payments. I think that's a perfectly appropriate function for the guy who's supposed to pay the bills in state government. What I object to is the Gentleman's Amendment. I think that a... an improper payment can be authorized by a... an Executive Branch official, by a Judicial Branch official or by an official in the General Assembly, and to exempt the General Assembly from the operation of this investigatory Bill is unconscionable. If we're going to give the authority to the Comptroller to investigate, if we're going to make the Comptroller responsible for ensuring that bills are not paid fraudulently, that the services are rendered, and so forth, then he ought to be responsible for that when a General Assembly bill is submitted. We ought not set ourselves above the law. That's wrong. That's inappropriate, and the public will tolerate no such double standard, and I would urge every Member on this chamber to reject this particular Amendment and vote 'no'."

"Is there further discussion? Representative Matijevich, to close."

"Mr. Speaker, I discussed this with the Comptroller's Office, and... and they feel that they have no problem with the General Assembly, and I just thought that... that there's no reason why we should even face holding up with our vouchers and warrants in any way through the General Assembly, and I thought it proper that we be exempted from it, and I ask for your support." 166  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983

"The question is, 'Shall Amendment #1 be adopted?'. All those in favor will say 'aye', opposed say 'no'. In the opinion of the Chair, the 'ayes' have it. The Amendment's adopted. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills, Second Reading, is Senate Bill 696. Third Reading on 677. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills, Second Reading, is Senate Bill 696. Representative Hawkinson, do you want the Bill called? Representative Hawkinson? Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 696, a Bill for an Act in relation to defendants unfit to stand trial in relation to defendants found not guilty by reason of insanity. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #2, by Representative Cullerton, amends Senate Bill 696 as amended, on page seven, and so forth."

"Representative Cullerton."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. This is merely a technical Amendment. Amendment #1 inadvertently struck the introductory language to Section 2. This Amendment restores that language. I'd ask for the adoption of Amendment #2."

"Is there discussion? The question is, 'Shall Amendment #2 be adopted?'. All those in favor will say 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Are there further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills, Second Reading, is Senate Bill 740. Is Representative Hicks in the chamber. Representative Hicks, 167  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 do you want the Bill called? Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 740, a Bill for an Act in relation to the recreational use of land and water areas. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Motion... no. Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills, Second Reading, is Senate Bill 751. Representative Levin. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 751, a Bill for an Act to amend sections of the Illinois Vehicle Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"None."

"Third Reading. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills, Second Reading, is Senate Bill 775. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 775, a Bill for an Act in relation to the transfer of money from the General Revenue Fund. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #1, Matijevich, amends Senate Bill 775 on page one by deleting line through three, and so forth."

"Representative Matijevich, Amendment #1."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, Amendment #1 to Senate Bill 775 is an Amendment offered by the Comptroller's Office. It would eliminate the Vehicle Recycling Fund and Vehicle Use Tax Trust Fund and provide that these monies in those... those funds be deposited into the Common School and General Revenue Fund, respectively. Under current law, monies received from salvage certificates and one dollar of each fee collected 168  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 for certificates of title are deposited in the Vehicle Recycling Fund. The... A 1978 Attorney General opinion held that the Vehicle Recycling Board was unconstitutional, and since then, the Board has been abolished, and there have been no appropriations from the Vehicle Recycling Fund. Although monies collected from these certificates of both salvage and certificates of title all end up in this Common School Fund, they must still pass through the Vehicle Recycling Fund. This step is unnecessary, and that is the reason for the Amendment to Senate Bill 775, and I offer and move its adoption."

"Is there discussion? Representative Vinson."

"Will the Gentleman yield for a question?"

"Indicates he... Yes, Sir."

"Representative, does the Amendment, if it's adopted, become the Bill?"

"Yes."

"Can you tell me what the posture of the Secretary of State is regarding the Amendment?"

"I have not discussed it with the Secretary of State."

"Can you tell me what the posture of the Governor's Office is regarding the Amendment?"

"I... I do not know, Sam."

"Well, I don't know what... It's a rather complex Amendment. You have recited several court cases that have a bearing on it. It might well be a desirable Amendment. My concern is that I've been advised by the... by the Governor's Office that they have been in negotiations with someone on your side of the aisle and with Senator Rock in regard to this Bill. I do not know if that is, as it pertains to this Amendment, to the underlying Bill, or to some other Bill, and I would ask you if the Amendment's 169  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 adopted, I would... I'd prefer not to oppose the Amendment, and if the Amendment is adopted, would you hold the Bill on Second Reading until we can ascertain if something else is necessary?"

"Why don't we do it this way, Sam. I promise you that I will run it back to Second. Let's move it now. I... I'm always nervous when we get into this stage of the legislative battle, shall we say, but I promise that I won't, won't call it on Third Reading until I discuss it with you."

"And if we have an Amendment... a future Amendment to offer you, it will give us a chance to..."

"I... I sure... I sure will."

"Okay then, I have no opposition, Mr. Speaker, to this Amendment."

"Is there further discussion? The Gentleman, to close."

"I'd appreciate your support."

"The question is, 'Shall Amendment #1 be adopted?'. All those in favor will say 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment's adopted. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills, Second Reading, is Senate Bill 776. Oh, further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Representative Karpiel, for what reason do you rise?"

"Well, Mr. Speaker, I would just like to know why you skipped over 774."

"That was an inadvertent move on my part, Representative. I will call it now, if you like."

"Thank you, yes."

"Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills, Second Reading, is Senate Bill 774. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk." 170  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983

"Senate Bill 774, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Municipal Code and an Act in relation to County Zoning and Township Zoning Acts. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"There's been a request for a fiscal note, Representative, and the Bill will remain on Third... on Second Reading. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading is Senate Bill 776. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk, 776."

"Senate Bill 776, a Bill for an Act in relation to the deferral of payment of real estate taxes by persons 65 years of age and over. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading is Senate Bill 786. Van Duyne. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 786, a Bill for an Act to amend the Environmental..."

"Out of the record. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading is Senate Bill 787. Representative Braun in the chamber? Out of the record. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading is Senate Bill 790. Representative Karpiel, 790. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 790, a Bill for an Act to amend the Criminal Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments." 171  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"None."

"Third Reading. Appearing on the Order of Second Reading... Senate Bills Second Reading is Senate Bill 791. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 791, a Bill for an Act to amend the Mental Health and Developmental Disabilities Confidentiality Act. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Are there any Floor Amendments?"

"None."

"Third Reading. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading is Senate Bill 796. Representative Steczo. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 796, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act to revise the law in relation to plats. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #1, Hicks, amends Senate Bill 796 on page one by deleting line eleven and so forth."

"Representative Hicks."

"Yes, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, Amendment #1 to House Bill... to Senate Bill 796 is basically what was House Bill 526. This Bill had quite a bit of controversy due to two organizations that were opposed. I was agreeable and put it into Interim Study so that we could work on those things. There has been... all the agreements have been worked out now between the Illinois Land Surveyors and the Illinois Association of Realtors. And that's why we've put it on the plat Bill here - the 796, and I'd ask for the adoption."

"Is there further discussion? Did you move the adoption of the Amendment, Representative Hicks? The 172  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 question is, 'Shall Amendment #1 to... be adopted?' All those is favor will say 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted. Any further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading is Senate Bill 800. Out of the record. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading is Senate Bill 820. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 820, a Bill for an Act to amend the Unified Code of Corrections. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"None."

"Third Reading. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading is Senate Bill 826. Mr. Bowman. Representative Bowman in the chamber? Bowman. Out of the record. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading is Senate Bill 832. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 832, a Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois Municipal Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"None."

"Third Reading. Appearing... Third Reading. Yeah, I see that. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading is Senate Bill 826. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 826, a Bill for an Act to amend the Public Community College Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions filed?" 173  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading is Senate Bill 838. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 838, a Bill for an Act concerning public utilities. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"None."

"Third Reading. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading is Senate Bill 849. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 849, a Bill for an Act to amend the Open Meetings Act. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendments #1 and 2 were adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #3, Keane - Daniels, amends Senate Bill 849 on page one in line eleven and so forth."

"Representative Keane."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Amendment #3 extends the Section B. And it reads as follows, 'Deliberations for the decision,' and it includes the language, 'Or deliberations concerning salary schedules for one or more classes of municipal employees.' It adds them to the exemption."

"Representative Cullerton."

"Yes, as I understand... Will the Sponsor yield?"

"Indicates he'll yield."

"In Committee, I know the Chairman of the Commerce Commission who is opposed to the Bill, would be be in favor 174  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 of this Amendment?"

"No. I have no idea what the Chairman of the Commerce Commission would..."

"How does the Amendment effect the Commerce Commission?"

"It doesn't effect the Commerce Commission. It effects the definition of those who are exempt from the Open Meetings Act."

"Any further discussion? The question is, 'Shall Amendment #3 be adopted?' All those in favor will say 'aye', those opposed will say 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment's adopted. Any further Amendments?"

"Floor Amendment #4, Keane, amends Senate Bill 849 as amended in the first sentence and so forth."

"Representative Keane."

"Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This Amendment was agreed upon in Committee. What it does was, it deletes a previous Amendment, and it deletes where... the situation where there's an acquisition, sale or lease of real property by a public school, when a public school district is considering such action. I agreed in Committee with the Members that had a question on this that we would remove it, and this is that Amendment."

"Is there any discussion? Representative Karpiel."

"Has this Amendment been distributed?"

"Mr. Clerk? Yes, it has."

"Okay. I don't have it. Could the... could the Sponsor please explain again what this Amendment does?"

"Yes."

"He said it was agreed in Committee, and I don't... didn't hear what he said."

"There was a... all right. There was an Amendment put on 175  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 in the Senate, two parts of it where they expanded the exemption for educational organizations. And one of the expansions said, of the exemption, it said 'Where the acquisition, lease or sale of real estate by a public school district is being considered', there was difficulty with that, accepting that in the Committee. Mr. 'Cardoni' from the Illinois Association of School Boards said he'd be happy to remove it and agreed with the Members that proposed that part of it to remove it. And we have removed it."

"The School Board Association, then..."

"Yes."

"... is in favor of this Amendment. They requested this."

"Yes."

"Thank you."

"Any further discussion? The question is, 'Shall Amendment #4 be adopted?' All those in favor will say 'aye', opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. The Amendment's adopted. Are there further Amendments?"

"No further Amendments."

"Third Reading. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading is Senate Bill 852. Mr. McCracken. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 852, a Bill for an Act to amend the Criminal Code. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading is Senate Bill 860. Read the 176  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 860, a Bill for an Act to amend the Code of Criminal Procedure. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"None."

"Third Reading. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading is Senate Bill 891. Out of the record. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading is Senate Bill 923. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 923, a Bill for an Act in relation to township community buildings. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments."

"Any Floor Amendments? Representative Cullerton, for what reason do you rise?"

"I would ask the Sponsor if it would be possible for her to take this out of the record, because an Amendment is being prepared - a technical Amendment."

"Representative Oblinger."

"May I ask Representative Cullerton a question? Representative, will that be ready this afternoon, you think?"

"Well, it'll be... we're going to be ending, I assume, fairly soon, so..."

"The reason I'm asking as, you probably know, my husband is in for surgery. I don't know when I'll be back. And I hate to do this not knowing when I'll come back."

"Well, we can move it to Third, and if you're agreeable to the Amendment..."

"I, certainly, would be agreeable."

"All right. Thank you."

"What was your response Representative?"

"Representative Cullerton said I should go ahead and 177  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983 move it to Third, if I would bring it back, if the Amendment was prepared."

"Okay. Mr. Clerk, are there further Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading is Senate Bill 931. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 931, a Bill for an Act to amend an Act concerning public utilities. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading is Senate Bill 938. Representative Preston. Rep... Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 938..."

"Preston... Out of the record. No? Out of the record. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading is Senate Bill 942. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."

"Senate Bill 942, a Bill for an Act to create the Illinois Corporation for Science and Technology. Second Reading of the Bill. Amendment #1 was adopted in Committee."

"Any Motions filed?"

"Amendment #1 was adopted previously on the floor. No Motions filed."

"Any Floor Amendments?"

"No Floor Amendments."

"Third Reading. Representative Vinson... Representative Fiel." 178  STATE OF ILLINOIS 83RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TRANSCRIPTION DEBATE 63rd Legislative Day June 15, 1983

"Question, Mr. Speaker, did he say there were no Floor Amendments?"

"Pardon me?"

"Did he say there was no Floor Amendments to 942?"

"That's what the Clerk said, yes."

"Because we've got a Floor Amendment to Senate Bill... okay, cause..."

"Previously adopted Floor Amendment #1."

"Oh, I'm sorry. My fault, I'm sorry."

"Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading is Senate Bill 943. Saltsman, Representative Saltsman. Out of the record. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading is Senate Bill 951. Representative Birkinbine. Representative Birkinbine, 951. Out of the record. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading is Senate Bill 958. Representative Daniels. Representative Daniels. Out of the record. Appearing on the Order of Senate Bills Second Reading is Senate Bill 971. Representative Terzich. Where is... Oh, hello there. Come on up here. Read the Bill, Mr. Clerk."